CARVILLE:   Welcome back to CROSSFIRE. We're coming to you from the George Washington University in beautiful Foggy Bottom in Washington, D.C. Now, time for our "Quote of the Day." In our last segment, we spoke with that almost legendary "voice of the extreme right", that is the extreme political right, Ann Coulter. Even if you disagree with everything she says, as I do, you have to admit that she makes very good effort at being glamorous. In Salon.com's review of Ms. Coulter's new book, "Slander", reporter Charles Taylor suggested that the host of CROSSFIRE don't measure up to that drawing group of conservatives, female pundits, and that's our "Quote of the Day." "We've yet to see that glamorous improvement among young male conservatives where the closest thing to a star is Tucker Carlson on CROSSFIRE playing Jimmy Olsen to Robert Novak's cranky Perry White, who is in turn on guard against James Carville's Lex Luthor." Hey, what is Lex? You know what? Lex kind of looks a little bit like me. Doesn't he? 
CARLSON:   Well, you know, that's right. You're both kind of diabolical comic book type people. 
CARVILLE:   And I tell you, Gene Hackman is part this liberal bias out there, isn't he? 
CARLSON:   I don't know.  
CARVILLE:   You know ... 
CARLSON:   And in fact, I don't even care ...    But I do think ... 
CARVILLE:   
CARLSON:   I do think and I think you'll admit it, I mean the press is liberal and most reporters vote for Democrats. I don't actually think it makes that big of difference except on certain issues. 
CARVILLE:   There are... 
CARLSON:   ... ever met a pro-life member of the media. 
CARVILLE:   They're often - they are liberal on abortion, but they're very conservative on economic issues. The press generally hates the minimum wage, and I'm just the opposite. I don't fit in with them. I'm actually on social issues -- slightly traditional. On economic issues I'm very liberal. 
CARLSON:   But of all groups, don't you think, I mean I don't think it's that big of a deal if you understand it's there, the bias. But don't you think of all groups, the press should look inward a little more and exam its own orthodoxies, its own sacred cows? 
CARVILLE:   I guess, but that's fine. And they ought   breaks them. 
CARLSON:   No, but I'm saying the problem, if the press itself has orthodoxies, positions that it never examines, it makes that much harder to examine... 
CARVILLE:   ... most of the press that people got, it's cable, it's a right-wing thing, said that you know that CROSSFIRE is the only show that has any liberals on there. You can't find one. They got their hand ready in coals or something like that. I don't know what the hell all that is. They claim one of those guys is. But it don't matter because the truth of the matter is people are going to decide anyway. And if people want to get conservative information, they go to conservative sources. If they want to get objective stuff, they try to go to a so- called mainstream media.  
CARLSON:   But that's the difference. I completely agree with you, and there's a place for opinion journalism and we're in that place, and it's a good thing and amen and we need more of it. But don't you think there ought to be a refuge from that, a place where you can trust... 
CARVILLE:   Well, they got Rush Limbaugh and the Fox News network... 
CARLSON:   I certainly agree with that. 
CARVILLE:   ... and they're on "National Review" and the "Weekly Standard." I mean, look if the conservatives out there wants to read conservative publications and look at the conservative TV show, he or she is hardly starved. 
CARLSON:   I'm not saying they are. I'm saying don't you think conservatives, liberals, people in the middle ought to have a place where they can go where there's no bias at all, where there... 
CARVILLE:   Everybody has got a bias. To just ask somebody their philosophy -- to ask somebody be a completely neutral person is ludicrous. I don't - you know what? If there is a completely neutral person, I don't want to know the son of a bitch because they'll bore you to death. The only thing...    The only thing in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos. 
CARLSON:   But I do think the press ought to at least...    Just ahead, a CNN "News Alert" and then the Pledge of Allegiance under fire. Why is the anti-God coalition jumping for joy with the 9th Circuit's absurd decision? We'll debate it with the two of the most passionate people in the business. Coming up.
