CARVILLE:   It's time for "Rapid Fire," where long answers get interrupted even sooner. We're talking presidential politics with Dean media adviser Steve McMahon and Kerry campaign senior adviser Tad Devine. 
NOVAK:   Mr. McMahon, since Howard Dean's political career is coming to an end very shortly, do you think he will go back to the practice of medicine or maybe come back to Washington and be a lobbyist? 
MCMAHON:   He's not -- his political career isn't coming to an end anytime soon, Bob. 
CARVILLE:   Tad, just a guess. Will John Kerry a nominee pick -- assuming he is the nominee, which is an assumption -- will he pick a vice presidential nominee before the traditional time, right before the convention, or do you think he will wait until right before the convention? 
DEVINE:   I don't know, but maybe before. 
CARVILLE:   Maybe before. 
NOVAK:   Tad, did your candidate apologize to James Hoffa for voting against him on all these trade issues in order to get his endorsement? 
DEVINE:   No, and he didn't apologize for opposing labor on ANWR, where he led the fight to stop it, or for being for welfare reform, which he supported when Clinton was president, or for being for deficit reduction. Listen, Bob, John Kerry is a moderate Democrat with a chest full of medals. And I know that's going to drive you guy nuts, but that's who you're going to run against, OK? 
CARVILLE:   At what -- at some point, Dr. Dean has to win a primary. Give us a kind of a date by which... 
MCMAHON:   You think? 
CARVILLE:   Yes, well, you know, it would be nice. 
MCMAHON:   Yes, at some point, he has to win a primary. But what he has to win is the nomination in July, which means he needs to have 2,160 delegates. 
CARVILLE:   But how are you going to get 2,160 delegates until you win one? 
MCMAHON:   Well, listen, we have proportional representation. We've got to win them late. We've got to win them late, James. 
NOVAK:   Steve, is Dr. Dean sorry that he didn't bring the other Dr. Dean, Judy, out on the stump sooner? She's a lot more attractive than he is. 
MCMAHON:   It would have been great to have her out, but she had things she -- patients and things she had to do in Vermont, including raise a child and stay home. And I thought you guys, you Republicans liked that, when wives and mothers stay at home with their families. 
CARVILLE:   Bob made fun of me yesterday, when I said that Teresa Heinz Kerry was not only a very wealthy woman, but was a very brilliant woman. Do you agree with me that she's a brilliant woman? 
DEVINE:   I couldn't agree any more. 
NOVAK:   If Kerry gets to be president, which of the bills that he voted for will he try to repeal first, NAFTA, Patriot Act or no children left behind? 
DEVINE:   Well, he's got a solution on all of those, Bob. 
NOVAK:   Which will he repeal first? 
DEVINE:   Here's what he'll do, NAFTA, environmental safeguards, OK? We'll incorporate them going forward. No Child Left Behind, he'll fund it, instead of what the president did. He's run away from it, OK?    That's what he'll do. 
NOVAK:   Tad Devine, thank you. Steve McMahon, thank you. In many cases, money and politics just go together. Who has been America's richest president? You will be surprised. And where will John Kerry and his wife's pickle and ketchup fortune fall if we have to deal with him as president?
