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	<title>Hacker Will Try To Restore Linux Support On PS3</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269944880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Many readers have been sending in news of the impending PS3 firmware update that will remove the ability to install other operating systems on the console. (<a href="http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/29/0227251/Install-Other-OS-Feature-Removed-From-the-PS3">We discussed it here</a> on Sunday.) Over the past few days, legions of PS3 owners have been <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8594720.stm">voicing their anger at Sony's decision</a>, upset that they'll be forced to either lose their custom install or forgo use of the PlayStation Network and be unable to play certain games and movies. Now, hacker George Hotz, known for his <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/07/08/24/1858252/iPhone-Freed-From-ATampT-Twice">iPhone jailbreaks</a> and his <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/01/27/1534214/PlayStation-3-Hack-Released-Online">PS3 hack</a> earlier this year, has <a href="http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/03/hacker-vows-to-fight-sony-ps3-update-restore-linux-support.ars">vowed to fight back and restore Linux support on the PS3</a>. He said, "The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that <a href="http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/">loses features throughout its lifecycle</a>. Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip. It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many readers have been sending in news of the impending PS3 firmware update that will remove the ability to install other operating systems on the console .
( We discussed it here on Sunday .
) Over the past few days , legions of PS3 owners have been voicing their anger at Sony 's decision , upset that they 'll be forced to either lose their custom install or forgo use of the PlayStation Network and be unable to play certain games and movies .
Now , hacker George Hotz , known for his iPhone jailbreaks and his PS3 hack earlier this year , has vowed to fight back and restore Linux support on the PS3 .
He said , " The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle .
Software PS2 emulation , SACD playback , and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip .
It 's unbelievable you would go and flip one , not just on new boxes you are shipping , but on tens of millions already in the field .
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<sentencetext>Many readers have been sending in news of the impending PS3 firmware update that will remove the ability to install other operating systems on the console.
(We discussed it here on Sunday.
) Over the past few days, legions of PS3 owners have been voicing their anger at Sony's decision, upset that they'll be forced to either lose their custom install or forgo use of the PlayStation Network and be unable to play certain games and movies.
Now, hacker George Hotz, known for his iPhone jailbreaks and his PS3 hack earlier this year, has vowed to fight back and restore Linux support on the PS3.
He said, "The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.
Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip.
It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679698</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>The End Of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1269952980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux geeks have never, in the history of the universe, made anything popular.  Sony made the PS3 popular, in part by dropping the "Other OS" crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.  Cause ya know... it's a game console.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux geeks have never , in the history of the universe , made anything popular .
Sony made the PS3 popular , in part by dropping the " Other OS " crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door .
Cause ya know... it 's a game console .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux geeks have never, in the history of the universe, made anything popular.
Sony made the PS3 popular, in part by dropping the "Other OS" crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.
Cause ya know... it's a game console.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678748</id>
	<title>Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit. Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]</p></div><p>Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.</p><p>Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the interest of openness , I 've decided to release the exploit .
Hopefully , this will ignite the PS3 scene [ ... ] Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit , but there 's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.Sony had to see this coming , now we just have to see if they 'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit.
Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678872</id>
	<title>Emulation disabled?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the summary:</p><blockquote><div><p>The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle. <b>Software PS2 emulation</b>, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip.</p></div></blockquote><p>Did Sony actually disable PS2 emulation on existing PS3 units?  I know they started leaving it out of later models, but did they actually kill it for people who already had it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the summary : The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle .
Software PS2 emulation , SACD playback , and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip.Did Sony actually disable PS2 emulation on existing PS3 units ?
I know they started leaving it out of later models , but did they actually kill it for people who already had it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the summary:The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.
Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip.Did Sony actually disable PS2 emulation on existing PS3 units?
I know they started leaving it out of later models, but did they actually kill it for people who already had it?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679420</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>street struttin'</author>
	<datestamp>1269951780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They pre-emptively responded (is that possible?), by straight up telling you that you won't be able to log on to the PSN unless you meet the new system firmware revision minimum. So yeah, no PSN for you...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They pre-emptively responded ( is that possible ?
) , by straight up telling you that you wo n't be able to log on to the PSN unless you meet the new system firmware revision minimum .
So yeah , no PSN for you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They pre-emptively responded (is that possible?
), by straight up telling you that you won't be able to log on to the PSN unless you meet the new system firmware revision minimum.
So yeah, no PSN for you...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683040</id>
	<title>How many people actually use linux on the PS3?</title>
	<author>BlueF</author>
	<datestamp>1269971880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't the Other OS feature the primary vector for PS3 hacks??
<br> <br>
While I deploy removing a feature, is anyone really surprised that Sony would take steps to impede piracy, even at the risk of alienating a small portion of users who actually use this feature legitimately.
<br> <br>
Honestly, won't MOST users who care about running Linux on a PS3 have a multitude of devices available which run other OSes far better than the PS3??
<br> <br>
I'm thinking the few groups who use the PS3 for parallel processing will either downgrade the firmware or select one of the many other hardware options out there equally suited/priced/sized.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the Other OS feature the primary vector for PS3 hacks ? ?
While I deploy removing a feature , is anyone really surprised that Sony would take steps to impede piracy , even at the risk of alienating a small portion of users who actually use this feature legitimately .
Honestly , wo n't MOST users who care about running Linux on a PS3 have a multitude of devices available which run other OSes far better than the PS3 ? ?
I 'm thinking the few groups who use the PS3 for parallel processing will either downgrade the firmware or select one of the many other hardware options out there equally suited/priced/sized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the Other OS feature the primary vector for PS3 hacks??
While I deploy removing a feature, is anyone really surprised that Sony would take steps to impede piracy, even at the risk of alienating a small portion of users who actually use this feature legitimately.
Honestly, won't MOST users who care about running Linux on a PS3 have a multitude of devices available which run other OSes far better than the PS3??
I'm thinking the few groups who use the PS3 for parallel processing will either downgrade the firmware or select one of the many other hardware options out there equally suited/priced/sized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685952</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this even an issue?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270042260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sony, on the other hand - you want to use an SD card in our device?  FUCK YOU!  You MUST buy our shitty MemoryStick if you want portable media.  That's the difference.</p></div><p>Actually, the PS3 reads SD cards, uses a standard replaceable SATA hard drive, features standard USB ports and Bluetooth connectivity, can use standard USB or Bluetooth keyboards, mice, microphones and webcams, and conversely allows you to use Sony's original hardware on a PC if you want to. It was the xbox that forced you to buy Microsoft's extremely overpriced hard drives until the April firmware update.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony , on the other hand - you want to use an SD card in our device ?
FUCK YOU !
You MUST buy our shitty MemoryStick if you want portable media .
That 's the difference.Actually , the PS3 reads SD cards , uses a standard replaceable SATA hard drive , features standard USB ports and Bluetooth connectivity , can use standard USB or Bluetooth keyboards , mice , microphones and webcams , and conversely allows you to use Sony 's original hardware on a PC if you want to .
It was the xbox that forced you to buy Microsoft 's extremely overpriced hard drives until the April firmware update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony, on the other hand - you want to use an SD card in our device?
FUCK YOU!
You MUST buy our shitty MemoryStick if you want portable media.
That's the difference.Actually, the PS3 reads SD cards, uses a standard replaceable SATA hard drive, features standard USB ports and Bluetooth connectivity, can use standard USB or Bluetooth keyboards, mice, microphones and webcams, and conversely allows you to use Sony's original hardware on a PC if you want to.
It was the xbox that forced you to buy Microsoft's extremely overpriced hard drives until the April firmware update.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679032</id>
	<title>Well duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, duh. Of course hackers were going to try and circumvent the restriction. And, like all other types of silly restrictions, it's inevitable that they will succeed.</p><p>What I'm more interested in is the lawsuit that should be on its way over this. It was an advertised feature of the PS3, and a not-insignificant number of people bought a PS3 because they could run Linux on it. Hell, a lot of people <i>only</i> bought one to run Linux on it.</p><p>If my car used to have a CD changer, and it gets disabled when I bring it in for service, I'd sue. Contracts, EULA be damned - I chose a product because it had a feature, and it got removed after the fact. That's not legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , duh .
Of course hackers were going to try and circumvent the restriction .
And , like all other types of silly restrictions , it 's inevitable that they will succeed.What I 'm more interested in is the lawsuit that should be on its way over this .
It was an advertised feature of the PS3 , and a not-insignificant number of people bought a PS3 because they could run Linux on it .
Hell , a lot of people only bought one to run Linux on it.If my car used to have a CD changer , and it gets disabled when I bring it in for service , I 'd sue .
Contracts , EULA be damned - I chose a product because it had a feature , and it got removed after the fact .
That 's not legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, duh.
Of course hackers were going to try and circumvent the restriction.
And, like all other types of silly restrictions, it's inevitable that they will succeed.What I'm more interested in is the lawsuit that should be on its way over this.
It was an advertised feature of the PS3, and a not-insignificant number of people bought a PS3 because they could run Linux on it.
Hell, a lot of people only bought one to run Linux on it.If my car used to have a CD changer, and it gets disabled when I bring it in for service, I'd sue.
Contracts, EULA be damned - I chose a product because it had a feature, and it got removed after the fact.
That's not legal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684898</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270032540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turning off features is betraying the user.</p><p>There may not be many users who install Linux on a PS3, but those who bought a PS3 instead of an XBOX now have something they would never have bought, if they knew beforehand.</p><p>It's as bad as Amazon removing 1983 from their customers kindle's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turning off features is betraying the user.There may not be many users who install Linux on a PS3 , but those who bought a PS3 instead of an XBOX now have something they would never have bought , if they knew beforehand.It 's as bad as Amazon removing 1983 from their customers kindle 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turning off features is betraying the user.There may not be many users who install Linux on a PS3, but those who bought a PS3 instead of an XBOX now have something they would never have bought, if they knew beforehand.It's as bad as Amazon removing 1983 from their customers kindle's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679190</id>
	<title>Removing</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1269950760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd be seriously pissed off if I owned a PS3 and actually used Linux.  Sony thinks "Oh, it'll blow over and people will forget."  The truth is a lot of people will, I won't.  I've already been burned with Sony's proprietary stance with my MP3 player when I moved to Linux and tried to use it there, this - not removing Linux, rather not acting in the interests of their customer - has solidified that negative attitude.  I simply won't buy Sony products in the future, which means I'll get to see if someone else burns me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)  As an aside, buying a Xbox 360 was the best thing I ever did: all the DRM and related crap bundled into a separate box from my computer for entertainment which freed up my desktop to run Linux as it's only operating system.  Best of both worlds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be seriously pissed off if I owned a PS3 and actually used Linux .
Sony thinks " Oh , it 'll blow over and people will forget .
" The truth is a lot of people will , I wo n't .
I 've already been burned with Sony 's proprietary stance with my MP3 player when I moved to Linux and tried to use it there , this - not removing Linux , rather not acting in the interests of their customer - has solidified that negative attitude .
I simply wo n't buy Sony products in the future , which means I 'll get to see if someone else burns me ; ) As an aside , buying a Xbox 360 was the best thing I ever did : all the DRM and related crap bundled into a separate box from my computer for entertainment which freed up my desktop to run Linux as it 's only operating system .
Best of both worlds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be seriously pissed off if I owned a PS3 and actually used Linux.
Sony thinks "Oh, it'll blow over and people will forget.
"  The truth is a lot of people will, I won't.
I've already been burned with Sony's proprietary stance with my MP3 player when I moved to Linux and tried to use it there, this - not removing Linux, rather not acting in the interests of their customer - has solidified that negative attitude.
I simply won't buy Sony products in the future, which means I'll get to see if someone else burns me ;)  As an aside, buying a Xbox 360 was the best thing I ever did: all the DRM and related crap bundled into a separate box from my computer for entertainment which freed up my desktop to run Linux as it's only operating system.
Best of both worlds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680222</id>
	<title>Please don't</title>
	<author>gillbates</author>
	<datestamp>1269955200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
No, seriously.  Don't bother.  Why reward Sony for doing this?  Do you want other companies to treat you like a criminal as well?
</p><p>
Instead, use your hacking skills for building a Linux box which can play Sony games.  Now that would get them (Sony) thinking.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , seriously .
Do n't bother .
Why reward Sony for doing this ?
Do you want other companies to treat you like a criminal as well ?
Instead , use your hacking skills for building a Linux box which can play Sony games .
Now that would get them ( Sony ) thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
No, seriously.
Don't bother.
Why reward Sony for doing this?
Do you want other companies to treat you like a criminal as well?
Instead, use your hacking skills for building a Linux box which can play Sony games.
Now that would get them (Sony) thinking.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686256</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>alinuxguruofyore</author>
	<datestamp>1270044060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</p></div><p>So, you don't own a Macbook either?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console... I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.So , you do n't own a Macbook either ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.So, you don't own a Macbook either?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680258</id>
	<title>Re:Tech users motivated this move</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1269955380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch."<br> <br>

Perhaps because there were not honest about what the "OtherOS" option actually was?  The initial hope that the technical users had was that we could get full access to the system, and then we all found out the terrible truth:  no, we have to go through a hyperviser, and Sony gets to decide which features of the PS3 we really deserve to use.  They got flack for not delivering what we really wanted, and giving us a half assed proprietary system instead.  Had they just locked it down entirely, we would never have cared at all -- it would just be another  proprietary gaming console, and we would have gone on using other systems.

"Instead of encouraging shipping Linux support on a major console like the delicate flower it was, technical people from all over stomped on that flower, spit on it, and then set fire to the remains."<br> <br>

No, we tried to push our systems to the limit, just like we do with every other computer.  Why should we abide by what Sony says we are allowed to do with our PS3s?  I bought my PS3, I want to push it to the limit, and I do not care for Sony and their anti-customer tactics (and until they change their attitude, they will not see a dime of my money).<br> <br>

"Thanks assholes, you killed a feature I liked"<br> <br>

No, <b>Sony</b> killed that feature, and the blame belongs with <b>Sony</b>.  Lesson learned, once and for all: do not trust proprietary computing, it is a trap and should be avoided, always.  Do not blame the users, blame the company and its contempt for the users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch .
" Perhaps because there were not honest about what the " OtherOS " option actually was ?
The initial hope that the technical users had was that we could get full access to the system , and then we all found out the terrible truth : no , we have to go through a hyperviser , and Sony gets to decide which features of the PS3 we really deserve to use .
They got flack for not delivering what we really wanted , and giving us a half assed proprietary system instead .
Had they just locked it down entirely , we would never have cared at all -- it would just be another proprietary gaming console , and we would have gone on using other systems .
" Instead of encouraging shipping Linux support on a major console like the delicate flower it was , technical people from all over stomped on that flower , spit on it , and then set fire to the remains .
" No , we tried to push our systems to the limit , just like we do with every other computer .
Why should we abide by what Sony says we are allowed to do with our PS3s ?
I bought my PS3 , I want to push it to the limit , and I do not care for Sony and their anti-customer tactics ( and until they change their attitude , they will not see a dime of my money ) .
" Thanks assholes , you killed a feature I liked " No , Sony killed that feature , and the blame belongs with Sony .
Lesson learned , once and for all : do not trust proprietary computing , it is a trap and should be avoided , always .
Do not blame the users , blame the company and its contempt for the users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch.
" 

Perhaps because there were not honest about what the "OtherOS" option actually was?
The initial hope that the technical users had was that we could get full access to the system, and then we all found out the terrible truth:  no, we have to go through a hyperviser, and Sony gets to decide which features of the PS3 we really deserve to use.
They got flack for not delivering what we really wanted, and giving us a half assed proprietary system instead.
Had they just locked it down entirely, we would never have cared at all -- it would just be another  proprietary gaming console, and we would have gone on using other systems.
"Instead of encouraging shipping Linux support on a major console like the delicate flower it was, technical people from all over stomped on that flower, spit on it, and then set fire to the remains.
" 

No, we tried to push our systems to the limit, just like we do with every other computer.
Why should we abide by what Sony says we are allowed to do with our PS3s?
I bought my PS3, I want to push it to the limit, and I do not care for Sony and their anti-customer tactics (and until they change their attitude, they will not see a dime of my money).
"Thanks assholes, you killed a feature I liked" 

No, Sony killed that feature, and the blame belongs with Sony.
Lesson learned, once and for all: do not trust proprietary computing, it is a trap and should be avoided, always.
Do not blame the users, blame the company and its contempt for the users.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679076</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1269950040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console... I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679374</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269951660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good work at failing to meet system requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good work at failing to meet system requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good work at failing to meet system requirements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684514</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270029000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Firmware updates aren't just to play the latest games, they also fix critical bugs in the firmware.</p><p>Games may not be important to massive clusters but critical bug fixes are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firmware updates are n't just to play the latest games , they also fix critical bugs in the firmware.Games may not be important to massive clusters but critical bug fixes are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firmware updates aren't just to play the latest games, they also fix critical bugs in the firmware.Games may not be important to massive clusters but critical bug fixes are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682430</id>
	<title>Sony?  The hacker deserves the blame.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is the hackers fault.  Why blame Sony.</p><p>There is no reason to hack a PS3, other than to open it up for piracy.  The fact that Sony put the ability to install another operating system should be more than enough for interested parties programming the cell processors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is the hackers fault .
Why blame Sony.There is no reason to hack a PS3 , other than to open it up for piracy .
The fact that Sony put the ability to install another operating system should be more than enough for interested parties programming the cell processors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is the hackers fault.
Why blame Sony.There is no reason to hack a PS3, other than to open it up for piracy.
The fact that Sony put the ability to install another operating system should be more than enough for interested parties programming the cell processors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680804</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Mage66</author>
	<datestamp>1269957900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those buying a PS3 as a computational machine probably don't care about PSN.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those buying a PS3 as a computational machine probably do n't care about PSN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those buying a PS3 as a computational machine probably don't care about PSN.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31691628</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1270066500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Still if you bought something that advertised $FEATURE its not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to use it for that, and its a little unfair for the vendor to come along after and say "well no you can't do that anymore.</p></div></blockquote><p>Except that is not anything like whats happening.</p><p>You can continue to use your PS3 just like it is until it breaks.</p><p>If you want the updated firmware and features however<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you're going to have to take what they give you.</p><p>Its really not rocket science and the argument here is retarded<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>"SONY IS EVIL BECAUSE IF I TAKE THIS FREE SOFTWARE UPDATE MY PS3 IS GOING TO WORK DIFFERENTLY!"</p><p>No shit sherlock, thats what updates do.  Sometimes they add features you want, some times they add features you don't care about and bugs you don't want, sometimes they remove features.</p><p>Either way, out of all of this, if you simply say 'I don't want the update'  all you do is 'not get so me free stuff that wasn't part of the original purchase anyway'.</p><p>They aren't taking anything away from you that you purchased unless you willingly make a change to your system.</p><p>Stop crying that the world won't give you everything for free, fucking pussies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still if you bought something that advertised $ FEATURE its not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to use it for that , and its a little unfair for the vendor to come along after and say " well no you ca n't do that anymore.Except that is not anything like whats happening.You can continue to use your PS3 just like it is until it breaks.If you want the updated firmware and features however ... you 're going to have to take what they give you.Its really not rocket science and the argument here is retarded ... " SONY IS EVIL BECAUSE IF I TAKE THIS FREE SOFTWARE UPDATE MY PS3 IS GOING TO WORK DIFFERENTLY !
" No shit sherlock , thats what updates do .
Sometimes they add features you want , some times they add features you do n't care about and bugs you do n't want , sometimes they remove features.Either way , out of all of this , if you simply say 'I do n't want the update ' all you do is 'not get so me free stuff that was n't part of the original purchase anyway'.They are n't taking anything away from you that you purchased unless you willingly make a change to your system.Stop crying that the world wo n't give you everything for free , fucking pussies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still if you bought something that advertised $FEATURE its not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to use it for that, and its a little unfair for the vendor to come along after and say "well no you can't do that anymore.Except that is not anything like whats happening.You can continue to use your PS3 just like it is until it breaks.If you want the updated firmware and features however ... you're going to have to take what they give you.Its really not rocket science and the argument here is retarded ..."SONY IS EVIL BECAUSE IF I TAKE THIS FREE SOFTWARE UPDATE MY PS3 IS GOING TO WORK DIFFERENTLY!
"No shit sherlock, thats what updates do.
Sometimes they add features you want, some times they add features you don't care about and bugs you don't want, sometimes they remove features.Either way, out of all of this, if you simply say 'I don't want the update'  all you do is 'not get so me free stuff that wasn't part of the original purchase anyway'.They aren't taking anything away from you that you purchased unless you willingly make a change to your system.Stop crying that the world won't give you everything for free, fucking pussies.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679244</id>
	<title>Re:Instead of Hacking....</title>
	<author>am 2k</author>
	<datestamp>1269951120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point here is that people bought the PS3 when it still had that feature, and then it gets disabled remotely after the fact. There's no way you can "not buy" the device due to a missing feature, if it's already sitting in your home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point here is that people bought the PS3 when it still had that feature , and then it gets disabled remotely after the fact .
There 's no way you can " not buy " the device due to a missing feature , if it 's already sitting in your home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point here is that people bought the PS3 when it still had that feature, and then it gets disabled remotely after the fact.
There's no way you can "not buy" the device due to a missing feature, if it's already sitting in your home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684686</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Hitto</author>
	<datestamp>1270030380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it wasn't even advertised as one. To wit :</p><p>"In remarks made to Japanese website Impress Watch, and translated by consumer website Beyond3D, President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment Ken Kutaragi has commented in more detail on the concept that the PlayStation 3 is a computer, rather than a game console.</p><p>Kutaragi pointedly commented of the next-gen console, which is due to launch this November at dual price points of $499 and $599 in North America: "We don't say it's a game console (*laugh*) - PlayStation 3 is clearly a computer, unlike the PlayStations [released] so far."</p><p>He went on to outline a scenario where many parts of the PS3 were upgradable, much more like a PC, noting: "Since PS3 is a computer, there are no "models" but "configurations"", and continuing (though talking in the theoretical): "I think it's okay to release a [extended PS3] configuration every year". It's clear from the comments that Sony is indicating that it will be possible to upgrade hard drives and perhaps even other components easily.</p><p>The Sony CEO gave another example in the interview: "As PS3 is a computer... it also wants to evolve. We'll want to upgrade the HDD size very soon - if new standards appear on the PC, we will want to support them. We may want the [Blu-ray] drive to [have a writable version upgrade]." He then tempered his comments: "Well, BD may not develop like that, though." But extensibility is what Sony is stressing that you get for the price of a PS3, nonetheless.</p><p>Kutaragi's comments echo a recent Phil Harrison interview in which he commented: "We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other computer functions. The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC." The combined executive comments appear to signify a change in marketing tactics for the company, who may have always had this scenario in mind, but are pushing it much more strongly following a somewhat mixed E3 showing from a PR perspective."</p><p><a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news\_index.php?story=9642" title="gamasutra.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news\_index.php?story=9642</a> [gamasutra.com]</p><p>But really, why drop a feature?</p><p>How did one home menu item screw with my enjoying god of war or metal gear?</p><p>Was there some system menu bug? They could have at least PRETENDED there was one..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it was n't even advertised as one .
To wit : " In remarks made to Japanese website Impress Watch , and translated by consumer website Beyond3D , President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment Ken Kutaragi has commented in more detail on the concept that the PlayStation 3 is a computer , rather than a game console.Kutaragi pointedly commented of the next-gen console , which is due to launch this November at dual price points of $ 499 and $ 599 in North America : " We do n't say it 's a game console ( * laugh * ) - PlayStation 3 is clearly a computer , unlike the PlayStations [ released ] so far .
" He went on to outline a scenario where many parts of the PS3 were upgradable , much more like a PC , noting : " Since PS3 is a computer , there are no " models " but " configurations " " , and continuing ( though talking in the theoretical ) : " I think it 's okay to release a [ extended PS3 ] configuration every year " .
It 's clear from the comments that Sony is indicating that it will be possible to upgrade hard drives and perhaps even other components easily.The Sony CEO gave another example in the interview : " As PS3 is a computer... it also wants to evolve .
We 'll want to upgrade the HDD size very soon - if new standards appear on the PC , we will want to support them .
We may want the [ Blu-ray ] drive to [ have a writable version upgrade ] .
" He then tempered his comments : " Well , BD may not develop like that , though .
" But extensibility is what Sony is stressing that you get for the price of a PS3 , nonetheless.Kutaragi 's comments echo a recent Phil Harrison interview in which he commented : " We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games , watch films , browse the Web , and use other computer functions .
The PlayStation 3 is a computer .
We do not need the PC .
" The combined executive comments appear to signify a change in marketing tactics for the company , who may have always had this scenario in mind , but are pushing it much more strongly following a somewhat mixed E3 showing from a PR perspective .
" http : //www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news \ _index.php ? story = 9642 [ gamasutra.com ] But really , why drop a feature ? How did one home menu item screw with my enjoying god of war or metal gear ? Was there some system menu bug ?
They could have at least PRETENDED there was one. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it wasn't even advertised as one.
To wit :"In remarks made to Japanese website Impress Watch, and translated by consumer website Beyond3D, President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment Ken Kutaragi has commented in more detail on the concept that the PlayStation 3 is a computer, rather than a game console.Kutaragi pointedly commented of the next-gen console, which is due to launch this November at dual price points of $499 and $599 in North America: "We don't say it's a game console (*laugh*) - PlayStation 3 is clearly a computer, unlike the PlayStations [released] so far.
"He went on to outline a scenario where many parts of the PS3 were upgradable, much more like a PC, noting: "Since PS3 is a computer, there are no "models" but "configurations"", and continuing (though talking in the theoretical): "I think it's okay to release a [extended PS3] configuration every year".
It's clear from the comments that Sony is indicating that it will be possible to upgrade hard drives and perhaps even other components easily.The Sony CEO gave another example in the interview: "As PS3 is a computer... it also wants to evolve.
We'll want to upgrade the HDD size very soon - if new standards appear on the PC, we will want to support them.
We may want the [Blu-ray] drive to [have a writable version upgrade].
" He then tempered his comments: "Well, BD may not develop like that, though.
" But extensibility is what Sony is stressing that you get for the price of a PS3, nonetheless.Kutaragi's comments echo a recent Phil Harrison interview in which he commented: "We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other computer functions.
The PlayStation 3 is a computer.
We do not need the PC.
" The combined executive comments appear to signify a change in marketing tactics for the company, who may have always had this scenario in mind, but are pushing it much more strongly following a somewhat mixed E3 showing from a PR perspective.
"http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news\_index.php?story=9642 [gamasutra.com]But really, why drop a feature?How did one home menu item screw with my enjoying god of war or metal gear?Was there some system menu bug?
They could have at least PRETENDED there was one..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684958</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270033140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates?  So the development team can play after office hours?</p><p>The only impact would be replacing the hardware, but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes, so if that is a problem, shouldn't it have been happening already?</p></div><p>This does not mean that current clusters stop working. I suppose if the clusters need more nodes, they won't get new PS3 consoles with old firmware that can still install Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates ?
So the development team can play after office hours ? The only impact would be replacing the hardware , but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes , so if that is a problem , should n't it have been happening already ? This does not mean that current clusters stop working .
I suppose if the clusters need more nodes , they wo n't get new PS3 consoles with old firmware that can still install Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates?
So the development team can play after office hours?The only impact would be replacing the hardware, but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes, so if that is a problem, shouldn't it have been happening already?This does not mean that current clusters stop working.
I suppose if the clusters need more nodes, they won't get new PS3 consoles with old firmware that can still install Linux.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681434</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>beanpoppa</author>
	<datestamp>1269961020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a poor analogue.  The closer analogy would be that a service pack or security update to XP made it so that you could no longer watch those Blu-ray movies.

I know that if I were to replace my fat PS3 with a slim, I would lose the other OS feature, or the PS2 compatibility, but the PS3 that I bought 2 years ago will continue to have those features.  Although I don't use the other OS feature at this time, it was a selling point to me when I made the purchase.  My concern is that a future update might remove some of the home media features, and it's not far-fetched.  It just takes some exec at Sony to get it into their head that people are using TVersity to stream illegally downloaded Sony Pictures movies to their PS3.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a poor analogue .
The closer analogy would be that a service pack or security update to XP made it so that you could no longer watch those Blu-ray movies .
I know that if I were to replace my fat PS3 with a slim , I would lose the other OS feature , or the PS2 compatibility , but the PS3 that I bought 2 years ago will continue to have those features .
Although I do n't use the other OS feature at this time , it was a selling point to me when I made the purchase .
My concern is that a future update might remove some of the home media features , and it 's not far-fetched .
It just takes some exec at Sony to get it into their head that people are using TVersity to stream illegally downloaded Sony Pictures movies to their PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a poor analogue.
The closer analogy would be that a service pack or security update to XP made it so that you could no longer watch those Blu-ray movies.
I know that if I were to replace my fat PS3 with a slim, I would lose the other OS feature, or the PS2 compatibility, but the PS3 that I bought 2 years ago will continue to have those features.
Although I don't use the other OS feature at this time, it was a selling point to me when I made the purchase.
My concern is that a future update might remove some of the home media features, and it's not far-fetched.
It just takes some exec at Sony to get it into their head that people are using TVersity to stream illegally downloaded Sony Pictures movies to their PS3.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684692</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>shnull</author>
	<datestamp>1270030440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>life is full of important choices and more clich&#233; : there's no such thing as 'unhackable'</htmltext>
<tokenext>life is full of important choices and more clich   : there 's no such thing as 'unhackable'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>life is full of important choices and more cliché : there's no such thing as 'unhackable'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679080</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1269950040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony has forgotten something important.  One of the ways that piracy hacks come to be is people hacking the hardware to install Linux or some other random thing.  Now that Sony doesn't support it, it's like throwing down the glove and daring them to hack it.  Once the hacks exist, it's just a matter of time until they're used for piracy.</p><p>This is really a tremendously bonehead move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony has forgotten something important .
One of the ways that piracy hacks come to be is people hacking the hardware to install Linux or some other random thing .
Now that Sony does n't support it , it 's like throwing down the glove and daring them to hack it .
Once the hacks exist , it 's just a matter of time until they 're used for piracy.This is really a tremendously bonehead move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony has forgotten something important.
One of the ways that piracy hacks come to be is people hacking the hardware to install Linux or some other random thing.
Now that Sony doesn't support it, it's like throwing down the glove and daring them to hack it.
Once the hacks exist, it's just a matter of time until they're used for piracy.This is really a tremendously bonehead move.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684072</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270068180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter that the number of users using this functionality is small. The whole point is that the device was sold with this feature and might even have been a selling point for these users, compared to other consoles. Forcing these people to choose between the ability to play recent games and keeping their existing setup is not only immoral but is or should be illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter that the number of users using this functionality is small .
The whole point is that the device was sold with this feature and might even have been a selling point for these users , compared to other consoles .
Forcing these people to choose between the ability to play recent games and keeping their existing setup is not only immoral but is or should be illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter that the number of users using this functionality is small.
The whole point is that the device was sold with this feature and might even have been a selling point for these users, compared to other consoles.
Forcing these people to choose between the ability to play recent games and keeping their existing setup is not only immoral but is or should be illegal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683874</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1270065960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another:</p><p>I can move "My Documents" folder to any disk drive in Windows XP whereas in vista and Win7 it is hardcoded to C:\users</p><p>WTF?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another : I can move " My Documents " folder to any disk drive in Windows XP whereas in vista and Win7 it is hardcoded to C : \ usersWTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another:I can move "My Documents" folder to any disk drive in Windows XP whereas in vista and Win7 it is hardcoded to C:\usersWTF?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682310</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My older brother is what you call an 'average user', he's not too tech-savy (he can use photoshop and put together a pc, although his first build he managed to put a stick of ram in backwards and fry the mobo...)  he's a factory worker and trying to start up a photography business. I was pretty proud of him when he installed linux on his PS3 on his on volition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My older brother is what you call an 'average user ' , he 's not too tech-savy ( he can use photoshop and put together a pc , although his first build he managed to put a stick of ram in backwards and fry the mobo... ) he 's a factory worker and trying to start up a photography business .
I was pretty proud of him when he installed linux on his PS3 on his on volition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My older brother is what you call an 'average user', he's not too tech-savy (he can use photoshop and put together a pc, although his first build he managed to put a stick of ram in backwards and fry the mobo...)  he's a factory worker and trying to start up a photography business.
I was pretty proud of him when he installed linux on his PS3 on his on volition.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31702888</id>
	<title>Re:Letter to Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270115760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually an EULA (which - at least in Norway - is dubious in its own) cannot restrict your consumer rights provided to you through consumer laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually an EULA ( which - at least in Norway - is dubious in its own ) can not restrict your consumer rights provided to you through consumer laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually an EULA (which - at least in Norway - is dubious in its own) cannot restrict your consumer rights provided to you through consumer laws.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Its not just sony</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1269948840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.</p><p>Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations, Microsoft have been doing it for years.<br>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP. No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations , Microsoft have been doing it for years.For example , I can watch Blu-ray under XP .
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations, Microsoft have been doing it for years.For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP.
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686370</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>mz\_74x</author>
	<datestamp>1270044720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So this is all YOUR fault? Well go back in time to when they thought it was a good idea to allow other OS support and then it's their fault for letting idealism cloud their ability to make money. Sony loses money on game consoles, their business model is to gain that money back through game sales and make a profit over all by continued game sales over a number of years.

Presumably you have bought PS3's to use in a parallel computing cluster, thus buying x consoles and 0 games, making Sony lose x * y money and giving them x * y reasons to turn off this feature. Now you're not entirely to blame, you're exploiting a weakness in Sony's business model, but you shouldn't cry when they stop you from stealing their cake.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is all YOUR fault ?
Well go back in time to when they thought it was a good idea to allow other OS support and then it 's their fault for letting idealism cloud their ability to make money .
Sony loses money on game consoles , their business model is to gain that money back through game sales and make a profit over all by continued game sales over a number of years .
Presumably you have bought PS3 's to use in a parallel computing cluster , thus buying x consoles and 0 games , making Sony lose x * y money and giving them x * y reasons to turn off this feature .
Now you 're not entirely to blame , you 're exploiting a weakness in Sony 's business model , but you should n't cry when they stop you from stealing their cake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is all YOUR fault?
Well go back in time to when they thought it was a good idea to allow other OS support and then it's their fault for letting idealism cloud their ability to make money.
Sony loses money on game consoles, their business model is to gain that money back through game sales and make a profit over all by continued game sales over a number of years.
Presumably you have bought PS3's to use in a parallel computing cluster, thus buying x consoles and 0 games, making Sony lose x * y money and giving them x * y reasons to turn off this feature.
Now you're not entirely to blame, you're exploiting a weakness in Sony's business model, but you shouldn't cry when they stop you from stealing their cake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681908</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1269963720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The amount of different organizations buying ps3 for research is staggering. So don't think this won't effect their bottom line. US Army buys them in bulk lots of 1000-2000 at a time.</p></div><p>And how many games - you know the place where the console maker makes money - are they buying? I don't know how much they are losing now (if any) but on the phat PS3s (the ones that support linux) sony were losing a significant amount on each console sold. So all these research firms using the PS3 cost Sony a shitload of money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The amount of different organizations buying ps3 for research is staggering .
So do n't think this wo n't effect their bottom line .
US Army buys them in bulk lots of 1000-2000 at a time.And how many games - you know the place where the console maker makes money - are they buying ?
I do n't know how much they are losing now ( if any ) but on the phat PS3s ( the ones that support linux ) sony were losing a significant amount on each console sold .
So all these research firms using the PS3 cost Sony a shitload of money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The amount of different organizations buying ps3 for research is staggering.
So don't think this won't effect their bottom line.
US Army buys them in bulk lots of 1000-2000 at a time.And how many games - you know the place where the console maker makes money - are they buying?
I don't know how much they are losing now (if any) but on the phat PS3s (the ones that support linux) sony were losing a significant amount on each console sold.
So all these research firms using the PS3 cost Sony a shitload of money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678816</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1269948900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind of idiot would buy a product from Sony, of all companies, and not expect something like this happen?  This is like expecting excellent customer service or an easy return at Best Buy, or expecting Microsoft to not bias its Bing search results when you search for "open office" or "linux".  You're expecting good treatment from the company that put rootkits on its CDs?</p><p>If you want a nice media center PC, buy or build yourself an ITX system.  If you buy something from Sony, then don't be surprised when they tell you how you're allowed to use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of idiot would buy a product from Sony , of all companies , and not expect something like this happen ?
This is like expecting excellent customer service or an easy return at Best Buy , or expecting Microsoft to not bias its Bing search results when you search for " open office " or " linux " .
You 're expecting good treatment from the company that put rootkits on its CDs ? If you want a nice media center PC , buy or build yourself an ITX system .
If you buy something from Sony , then do n't be surprised when they tell you how you 're allowed to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of idiot would buy a product from Sony, of all companies, and not expect something like this happen?
This is like expecting excellent customer service or an easy return at Best Buy, or expecting Microsoft to not bias its Bing search results when you search for "open office" or "linux".
You're expecting good treatment from the company that put rootkits on its CDs?If you want a nice media center PC, buy or build yourself an ITX system.
If you buy something from Sony, then don't be surprised when they tell you how you're allowed to use it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686816</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>Captain Centropyge</author>
	<datestamp>1270046820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about purchasing additional PS3s (albeit used ones) to add to the cluster for extra computing power?  If the kid using it to game updated the firmware, they're screwed and can't use it.  Eventually, finding a PS3 with this capability still intact will be quite difficult and expensive to purchase.<br> <br>

Either way, it's ludicrous on Sony's part to give organizations like the US military the proverbial finger.  I can't imagine they'll be happy about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about purchasing additional PS3s ( albeit used ones ) to add to the cluster for extra computing power ?
If the kid using it to game updated the firmware , they 're screwed and ca n't use it .
Eventually , finding a PS3 with this capability still intact will be quite difficult and expensive to purchase .
Either way , it 's ludicrous on Sony 's part to give organizations like the US military the proverbial finger .
I ca n't imagine they 'll be happy about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about purchasing additional PS3s (albeit used ones) to add to the cluster for extra computing power?
If the kid using it to game updated the firmware, they're screwed and can't use it.
Eventually, finding a PS3 with this capability still intact will be quite difficult and expensive to purchase.
Either way, it's ludicrous on Sony's part to give organizations like the US military the proverbial finger.
I can't imagine they'll be happy about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680044</id>
	<title>I would just like to say</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269954540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fuck you, Geohot. My PS3 worked just fine before you came along. Now it's being made useless to me because of YOU. YOUR actions FORCED Sony to take this step. If anyone gets sued, it should be Geohot for causing this mess by poking his nose in where it didn't belong. Sony is not the bad guy here. Sony was attacked and had to take steps in their defense. Blame the attacker, not the victim. We the users are just collateral damage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck you , Geohot .
My PS3 worked just fine before you came along .
Now it 's being made useless to me because of YOU .
YOUR actions FORCED Sony to take this step .
If anyone gets sued , it should be Geohot for causing this mess by poking his nose in where it did n't belong .
Sony is not the bad guy here .
Sony was attacked and had to take steps in their defense .
Blame the attacker , not the victim .
We the users are just collateral damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck you, Geohot.
My PS3 worked just fine before you came along.
Now it's being made useless to me because of YOU.
YOUR actions FORCED Sony to take this step.
If anyone gets sued, it should be Geohot for causing this mess by poking his nose in where it didn't belong.
Sony is not the bad guy here.
Sony was attacked and had to take steps in their defense.
Blame the attacker, not the victim.
We the users are just collateral damage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681360</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269960600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd rather have Linux and backward compatibility than to play the latest version of the same old games online with a bunch of 12 year old douche-bags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather have Linux and backward compatibility than to play the latest version of the same old games online with a bunch of 12 year old douche-bags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather have Linux and backward compatibility than to play the latest version of the same old games online with a bunch of 12 year old douche-bags.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679908</id>
	<title>Re:Still sucks for users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269954000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Geohot doesn't need to do a fucking thing. Sony needs to OWN UP TO THEIR ORIGINAL ADVERTISING and give EVERY PS3 owner "OtherOS" and BC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Geohot does n't need to do a fucking thing .
Sony needs to OWN UP TO THEIR ORIGINAL ADVERTISING and give EVERY PS3 owner " OtherOS " and BC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geohot doesn't need to do a fucking thing.
Sony needs to OWN UP TO THEIR ORIGINAL ADVERTISING and give EVERY PS3 owner "OtherOS" and BC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679786</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269953340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it, basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers, as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it's even there.</p></div><p>There was a very good reason to support it.  Those few hackers were satisfied with it, so they didn't spend much effort working on a full crack for the PS3.  This seems to have been largely successful.<br> <br>

Now, some business type is under the mistaken impression that the PS3 wasn't cracked because it is not possible.  So they don't see the folly of pissing off said hackers.  When it's cracked they'll clamor for more restrictions without realizing that openness was cheaper and actually successfully delayed the inevitable full crack out of a lack of interest.<br> <br>

IMHO this type of business mistake happens when you don't realize that a hacker's motivations are generally quite different from that of an executive's or a typical end-user's.  My theory is that said executive thinks people have been trying to crack the PS3 solely to get games for free (an economic goal).  The "Other OS" option didn't allow this, so in this executive's mind the PS3 has proven itself to be resistant to the community's best efforts at cracking it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there 's no reason for Sony to continue to support it , basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers , as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it 's even there.There was a very good reason to support it .
Those few hackers were satisfied with it , so they did n't spend much effort working on a full crack for the PS3 .
This seems to have been largely successful .
Now , some business type is under the mistaken impression that the PS3 was n't cracked because it is not possible .
So they do n't see the folly of pissing off said hackers .
When it 's cracked they 'll clamor for more restrictions without realizing that openness was cheaper and actually successfully delayed the inevitable full crack out of a lack of interest .
IMHO this type of business mistake happens when you do n't realize that a hacker 's motivations are generally quite different from that of an executive 's or a typical end-user 's .
My theory is that said executive thinks people have been trying to crack the PS3 solely to get games for free ( an economic goal ) .
The " Other OS " option did n't allow this , so in this executive 's mind the PS3 has proven itself to be resistant to the community 's best efforts at cracking it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it, basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers, as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it's even there.There was a very good reason to support it.
Those few hackers were satisfied with it, so they didn't spend much effort working on a full crack for the PS3.
This seems to have been largely successful.
Now, some business type is under the mistaken impression that the PS3 wasn't cracked because it is not possible.
So they don't see the folly of pissing off said hackers.
When it's cracked they'll clamor for more restrictions without realizing that openness was cheaper and actually successfully delayed the inevitable full crack out of a lack of interest.
IMHO this type of business mistake happens when you don't realize that a hacker's motivations are generally quite different from that of an executive's or a typical end-user's.
My theory is that said executive thinks people have been trying to crack the PS3 solely to get games for free (an economic goal).
The "Other OS" option didn't allow this, so in this executive's mind the PS3 has proven itself to be resistant to the community's best efforts at cracking it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678744</id>
	<title>And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Sony will respond by banning these people from PSN for hacking the PS3.  Or does this person really think that Sony won't be checking such a thing when you connect to PSN?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Sony will respond by banning these people from PSN for hacking the PS3 .
Or does this person really think that Sony wo n't be checking such a thing when you connect to PSN ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Sony will respond by banning these people from PSN for hacking the PS3.
Or does this person really think that Sony won't be checking such a thing when you connect to PSN?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683396</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1269974940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No one is saking them to SUPPORT it, just dont fucking disable something you SOLD to me as a feature. That is theft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one is saking them to SUPPORT it , just dont fucking disable something you SOLD to me as a feature .
That is theft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is saking them to SUPPORT it, just dont fucking disable something you SOLD to me as a feature.
That is theft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679804</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1269953400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And Sony will respond by banning these people from PSN for hacking the PS3"</p><p>And we will respond by suing them for taking away a feature we paid for, period.</p><p>This is a total property rights violation once the console is out of their hands and in mine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And Sony will respond by banning these people from PSN for hacking the PS3 " And we will respond by suing them for taking away a feature we paid for , period.This is a total property rights violation once the console is out of their hands and in mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And Sony will respond by banning these people from PSN for hacking the PS3"And we will respond by suing them for taking away a feature we paid for, period.This is a total property rights violation once the console is out of their hands and in mine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678904</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Princeofcups</author>
	<datestamp>1269949260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit. Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]</p></div><p>Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.</p><p>Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.</p></div><p>I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user.  The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it, basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers, as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it's even there. And yes there is a reason to turn it off.  To remove it from the list of features that need to be supported going forward.</p><p>I'm really surprised that it lasted this long.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the interest of openness , I 've decided to release the exploit .
Hopefully , this will ignite the PS3 scene [ ... ] Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit , but there 's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.Sony had to see this coming , now we just have to see if they 'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user .
The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there 's no reason for Sony to continue to support it , basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers , as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it 's even there .
And yes there is a reason to turn it off .
To remove it from the list of features that need to be supported going forward.I 'm really surprised that it lasted this long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit.
Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user.
The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it, basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers, as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it's even there.
And yes there is a reason to turn it off.
To remove it from the list of features that need to be supported going forward.I'm really surprised that it lasted this long.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680690</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269957300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think you really understand. We now have to actively support blocking the installs of another OS. Previously we just had a more relaxed system that worked well - no 'support' required you goof.

Now we're friggin' wasting our time trying to stop people using an advertised feature of our console!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you really understand .
We now have to actively support blocking the installs of another OS .
Previously we just had a more relaxed system that worked well - no 'support ' required you goof .
Now we 're friggin ' wasting our time trying to stop people using an advertised feature of our console !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you really understand.
We now have to actively support blocking the installs of another OS.
Previously we just had a more relaxed system that worked well - no 'support' required you goof.
Now we're friggin' wasting our time trying to stop people using an advertised feature of our console!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686410</id>
	<title>going forward?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270045020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...that need to be supported going forward."</p><p>Where on God's earth did you learn to write like that? Couldn't you have just said, "...that need to be supported"</p><p>They're teaching stupidity in school today and it looks as though it is the one subject where most pupils are eager to learn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...that need to be supported going forward .
" Where on God 's earth did you learn to write like that ?
Could n't you have just said , " ...that need to be supported " They 're teaching stupidity in school today and it looks as though it is the one subject where most pupils are eager to learn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...that need to be supported going forward.
"Where on God's earth did you learn to write like that?
Couldn't you have just said, "...that need to be supported"They're teaching stupidity in school today and it looks as though it is the one subject where most pupils are eager to learn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680886</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269958320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But you do own the hardware. You can do whatever the hell you want with it (see if it will blend, etc.). But if you want to connect to PSN, you'll have to play by their rules since they own the network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But you do own the hardware .
You can do whatever the hell you want with it ( see if it will blend , etc. ) .
But if you want to connect to PSN , you 'll have to play by their rules since they own the network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you do own the hardware.
You can do whatever the hell you want with it (see if it will blend, etc.).
But if you want to connect to PSN, you'll have to play by their rules since they own the network.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31691868</id>
	<title>Re:Well duh</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1270067400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to accept the upgrade to the firmware.</p><p>The upgrade isn't just 'bugfixes' its new features as well.  You are getting a different set of features, as has happened in every firmware patch they've done.</p><p>If sony's firmware patches were like those for your car, you'd never upgrade as any firmware bugs are going to be worked around in the games anyway (so they can deal with non-updated consoles safely).</p><p>This comparison is more like buying a car with a CD Changer and the then hearing that if you want to get HD radio for free they can do it with a simple firmware upgrade, but doing so disables the CD changer.  There is no requirement to upgrade.</p><p>You can upgrade and get different features (some new, some removed) or you can not upgrade and have exactly what you purchased.</p><p>The only one changing the rules is you, by installing the update.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to accept the upgrade to the firmware.The upgrade is n't just 'bugfixes ' its new features as well .
You are getting a different set of features , as has happened in every firmware patch they 've done.If sony 's firmware patches were like those for your car , you 'd never upgrade as any firmware bugs are going to be worked around in the games anyway ( so they can deal with non-updated consoles safely ) .This comparison is more like buying a car with a CD Changer and the then hearing that if you want to get HD radio for free they can do it with a simple firmware upgrade , but doing so disables the CD changer .
There is no requirement to upgrade.You can upgrade and get different features ( some new , some removed ) or you can not upgrade and have exactly what you purchased.The only one changing the rules is you , by installing the update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to accept the upgrade to the firmware.The upgrade isn't just 'bugfixes' its new features as well.
You are getting a different set of features, as has happened in every firmware patch they've done.If sony's firmware patches were like those for your car, you'd never upgrade as any firmware bugs are going to be worked around in the games anyway (so they can deal with non-updated consoles safely).This comparison is more like buying a car with a CD Changer and the then hearing that if you want to get HD radio for free they can do it with a simple firmware upgrade, but doing so disables the CD changer.
There is no requirement to upgrade.You can upgrade and get different features (some new, some removed) or you can not upgrade and have exactly what you purchased.The only one changing the rules is you, by installing the update.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685928</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>FrozenFOXX</author>
	<datestamp>1270042140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</p></div><p>I hope you don't run Windows, buy any titles off of Steam, or really even any games made in the past few years as all of them require connecting to a service you don't own just to use it (Windows has activation for single systems at a time, Steam leaves you at the mercy of Valve's policies, a *large* number of PC gaming titles now require a service far beyond your control to fully utilize [Dawn of War 2, Assassin's Creed 2, so on and so forth]).<br> <br>

Don't seem to remember having this kind of problem on my XBox or my 360.  Both of them can do everything now they always could, even moreso now than ever actually, and even getting banned from Live hardly restricts your ability to play the vast majority of multiplayer titles with System Link (even their most popular, Halo 3, still allows System Link and not as a second-class citizen).  Score one for MS, and I LOATHE them.<br> <br>

But that's just my opinion.  Personally as an owner of nearly every platform and titles on each (I even own Steam games I fire up through Wine/Linux) I think <b>every</b> platform has major disadvantages.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console... I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.I hope you do n't run Windows , buy any titles off of Steam , or really even any games made in the past few years as all of them require connecting to a service you do n't own just to use it ( Windows has activation for single systems at a time , Steam leaves you at the mercy of Valve 's policies , a * large * number of PC gaming titles now require a service far beyond your control to fully utilize [ Dawn of War 2 , Assassin 's Creed 2 , so on and so forth ] ) .
Do n't seem to remember having this kind of problem on my XBox or my 360 .
Both of them can do everything now they always could , even moreso now than ever actually , and even getting banned from Live hardly restricts your ability to play the vast majority of multiplayer titles with System Link ( even their most popular , Halo 3 , still allows System Link and not as a second-class citizen ) .
Score one for MS , and I LOATHE them .
But that 's just my opinion .
Personally as an owner of nearly every platform and titles on each ( I even own Steam games I fire up through Wine/Linux ) I think every platform has major disadvantages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.I hope you don't run Windows, buy any titles off of Steam, or really even any games made in the past few years as all of them require connecting to a service you don't own just to use it (Windows has activation for single systems at a time, Steam leaves you at the mercy of Valve's policies, a *large* number of PC gaming titles now require a service far beyond your control to fully utilize [Dawn of War 2, Assassin's Creed 2, so on and so forth]).
Don't seem to remember having this kind of problem on my XBox or my 360.
Both of them can do everything now they always could, even moreso now than ever actually, and even getting banned from Live hardly restricts your ability to play the vast majority of multiplayer titles with System Link (even their most popular, Halo 3, still allows System Link and not as a second-class citizen).
Score one for MS, and I LOATHE them.
But that's just my opinion.
Personally as an owner of nearly every platform and titles on each (I even own Steam games I fire up through Wine/Linux) I think every platform has major disadvantages.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686252</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270044000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HD CP?</p><p>have a seat right over there. . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HD CP ? have a seat right over there .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HD CP?have a seat right over there.
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679006</id>
	<title>Instead of Hacking....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dont buy it, if you dont like it. You can also sell it as used. Thats the biggest Hack. (If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful. But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you).

Yes, sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW. When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor (if you where interested in touch). Now there are many. When the PS3 came out, it was probably better and faster than the current PCs. no probably not (i dont know, not seriously interested).</htmltext>
<tokenext>dont buy it , if you dont like it .
You can also sell it as used .
Thats the biggest Hack .
( If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful .
But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you ) .
Yes , sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW .
When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor ( if you where interested in touch ) .
Now there are many .
When the PS3 came out , it was probably better and faster than the current PCs .
no probably not ( i dont know , not seriously interested ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dont buy it, if you dont like it.
You can also sell it as used.
Thats the biggest Hack.
(If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful.
But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you).
Yes, sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW.
When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor (if you where interested in touch).
Now there are many.
When the PS3 came out, it was probably better and faster than the current PCs.
no probably not (i dont know, not seriously interested).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682876</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>\_egg</author>
	<datestamp>1269970560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you try contacting their customer support as suggested in the announcement?<br><a href="http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/" title="playstation.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/</a> [playstation.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you try contacting their customer support as suggested in the announcement ? http : //blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ [ playstation.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you try contacting their customer support as suggested in the announcement?http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ [playstation.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680242</id>
	<title>Re:Sony is the new Apple.</title>
	<author>Chineseyes</author>
	<datestamp>1269955260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where have you been?  Sony was locking down really good hardware with ridiculous restrictions before Apple had even thought of it.  See minidisc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where have you been ?
Sony was locking down really good hardware with ridiculous restrictions before Apple had even thought of it .
See minidisc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where have you been?
Sony was locking down really good hardware with ridiculous restrictions before Apple had even thought of it.
See minidisc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679072</id>
	<title>Re:Still sucks for users</title>
	<author>bmo</author>
	<datestamp>1269950040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As much as geohot can try to make up for his massive fuckup,</i></p><p>Oh please.  For years the question was "so when is the PS3 going to be hacked?"  You people cheered him on when he came out with his hack.  Now you guys are mad at *him* because *Sony* is taking one of its toys away.  Shouldn't you be directing your anger at Sony?</p><p>You know what?  I think geohot should not even bother trying to fix it.  No good deed goes unpunished.  No, I'm not related to him. I don't even own a gaming console. But this name calling and blame-gaming is annoying.</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as geohot can try to make up for his massive fuckup,Oh please .
For years the question was " so when is the PS3 going to be hacked ?
" You people cheered him on when he came out with his hack .
Now you guys are mad at * him * because * Sony * is taking one of its toys away .
Should n't you be directing your anger at Sony ? You know what ?
I think geohot should not even bother trying to fix it .
No good deed goes unpunished .
No , I 'm not related to him .
I do n't even own a gaming console .
But this name calling and blame-gaming is annoying.--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as geohot can try to make up for his massive fuckup,Oh please.
For years the question was "so when is the PS3 going to be hacked?
"  You people cheered him on when he came out with his hack.
Now you guys are mad at *him* because *Sony* is taking one of its toys away.
Shouldn't you be directing your anger at Sony?You know what?
I think geohot should not even bother trying to fix it.
No good deed goes unpunished.
No, I'm not related to him.
I don't even own a gaming console.
But this name calling and blame-gaming is annoying.--BMO</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681650</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>dudpixel</author>
	<datestamp>1269962280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this isn't just about support - they are banning it.  Thats very different to just not supporting it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is n't just about support - they are banning it .
Thats very different to just not supporting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this isn't just about support - they are banning it.
Thats very different to just not supporting it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679506</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>Yosho</author>
	<datestamp>1269952080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP. No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.</p></div><p>Blu-ray is Sony's format.  You can thank them for all of the DRM integral to it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , I can watch Blu-ray under XP .
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.Blu-ray is Sony 's format .
You can thank them for all of the DRM integral to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP.
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.Blu-ray is Sony's format.
You can thank them for all of the DRM integral to it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31691898</id>
	<title>Re:it's not the only console to lose features</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1270067580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What?  Works fine for me, too good actually, I regularly find myself deleting crap that I really didn't want, I'm just too lazy to go figure out where to turn it back off<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>You can't think of any older consoles that lost features with software updates BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET SOFTWARE UPDATES.</p><p>They didn't get new features either, dumbass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
Works fine for me , too good actually , I regularly find myself deleting crap that I really did n't want , I 'm just too lazy to go figure out where to turn it back off ...You ca n't think of any older consoles that lost features with software updates BECAUSE THEY DID N'T GET SOFTWARE UPDATES.They did n't get new features either , dumbass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
Works fine for me, too good actually, I regularly find myself deleting crap that I really didn't want, I'm just too lazy to go figure out where to turn it back off ...You can't think of any older consoles that lost features with software updates BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET SOFTWARE UPDATES.They didn't get new features either, dumbass.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679208</id>
	<title>Re:Sony is the new Apple.</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1269950880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While I love the products of both companies, they are becoming ridiculous control freaks.</p></div><p>Becoming?  Uh...  Have you just recently discovered this "Internet" thing?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I love the products of both companies , they are becoming ridiculous control freaks.Becoming ?
Uh... Have you just recently discovered this " Internet " thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I love the products of both companies, they are becoming ridiculous control freaks.Becoming?
Uh...  Have you just recently discovered this "Internet" thing?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680824</id>
	<title>Tinkering with our patience.</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269958020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, I like to toy around with things all the time and often I have to clean up a big mess I made or spend many hours figuring out how something goes back together.</p><p>I at least have the decency to only break my own things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I like to toy around with things all the time and often I have to clean up a big mess I made or spend many hours figuring out how something goes back together.I at least have the decency to only break my own things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I like to toy around with things all the time and often I have to clean up a big mess I made or spend many hours figuring out how something goes back together.I at least have the decency to only break my own things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684942</id>
	<title>A little note</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270032960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who is intimately familiar with the inner methods of some companies, I can tell you something interesting.</p><p>Sony are testing the waters with this. They are gauging consumer reaction. This happened last year with another well known company. No doubt if they see enough consumer "outrage" they will retract it as an April Fool's joke, as the other company was forced to do.</p><p>On the other hand, if they find a complacent overall reaction, they will go ahead.</p><p>This is nothing sinister, do not consider it so. It is simply a new tool for a very old practice. Corporations regularly use tests to measure marketing conditions. No doubt you have participated in many of these schemes as a consumer. These tests, and your reactions, will be the subject of further studies in order to give a (somewhat complicated) statistical analysis of market segmentation, in addition to a number of other key metrics.</p><p>All of the complaining I see on this forum is just through lack of understanding. Ultimately, there is no better way for companies to understand the consumer except through pulling stunts. And better understanding means better products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who is intimately familiar with the inner methods of some companies , I can tell you something interesting.Sony are testing the waters with this .
They are gauging consumer reaction .
This happened last year with another well known company .
No doubt if they see enough consumer " outrage " they will retract it as an April Fool 's joke , as the other company was forced to do.On the other hand , if they find a complacent overall reaction , they will go ahead.This is nothing sinister , do not consider it so .
It is simply a new tool for a very old practice .
Corporations regularly use tests to measure marketing conditions .
No doubt you have participated in many of these schemes as a consumer .
These tests , and your reactions , will be the subject of further studies in order to give a ( somewhat complicated ) statistical analysis of market segmentation , in addition to a number of other key metrics.All of the complaining I see on this forum is just through lack of understanding .
Ultimately , there is no better way for companies to understand the consumer except through pulling stunts .
And better understanding means better products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who is intimately familiar with the inner methods of some companies, I can tell you something interesting.Sony are testing the waters with this.
They are gauging consumer reaction.
This happened last year with another well known company.
No doubt if they see enough consumer "outrage" they will retract it as an April Fool's joke, as the other company was forced to do.On the other hand, if they find a complacent overall reaction, they will go ahead.This is nothing sinister, do not consider it so.
It is simply a new tool for a very old practice.
Corporations regularly use tests to measure marketing conditions.
No doubt you have participated in many of these schemes as a consumer.
These tests, and your reactions, will be the subject of further studies in order to give a (somewhat complicated) statistical analysis of market segmentation, in addition to a number of other key metrics.All of the complaining I see on this forum is just through lack of understanding.
Ultimately, there is no better way for companies to understand the consumer except through pulling stunts.
And better understanding means better products.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683032</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>crispytwo</author>
	<datestamp>1269971760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</p></div><p>ditto</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I refuse to buy a console... I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.ditto</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.ditto
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679260</id>
	<title>Re:Instead of Hacking....</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269951180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>dont buy it, if you dont like it. You can also sell it as used. Thats the biggest Hack. (If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful. But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you).</p><p>Yes, sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW. When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor (if you where interested in touch). Now there are many. When the PS3 came out, it was probably better and faster than the current PCs. no probably not (i dont know, not seriously interested).</p></div><p>Boycott isn't the only way to fight a corporation doing something you don't like. There's other ways, such as voicing your opinions and giving  the corporation financial incentive to appease the crowd.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>dont buy it , if you dont like it .
You can also sell it as used .
Thats the biggest Hack .
( If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful .
But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you ) .Yes , sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW .
When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor ( if you where interested in touch ) .
Now there are many .
When the PS3 came out , it was probably better and faster than the current PCs .
no probably not ( i dont know , not seriously interested ) .Boycott is n't the only way to fight a corporation doing something you do n't like .
There 's other ways , such as voicing your opinions and giving the corporation financial incentive to appease the crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dont buy it, if you dont like it.
You can also sell it as used.
Thats the biggest Hack.
(If you hack for the purely academic reason of demonstrating that it can be hacked - thats fine and beatiful.
But dont pay money to a company to pay people to fight you).Yes, sometime you dont get the shiniest most beatiful HW.
When the iphone came out there was no direct competitor (if you where interested in touch).
Now there are many.
When the PS3 came out, it was probably better and faster than the current PCs.
no probably not (i dont know, not seriously interested).Boycott isn't the only way to fight a corporation doing something you don't like.
There's other ways, such as voicing your opinions and giving  the corporation financial incentive to appease the crowd.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678874</id>
	<title>PS2 emulation was not purely software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PS2 backwards compatibility always used a hardware GS (the GPU). They emulated the EE and the VU1s, but not the GS. I'm not sure the cost reduction was really worthwhile, but it's not something they can just flip back on, on machines that don't have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PS2 backwards compatibility always used a hardware GS ( the GPU ) .
They emulated the EE and the VU1s , but not the GS .
I 'm not sure the cost reduction was really worthwhile , but it 's not something they can just flip back on , on machines that do n't have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PS2 backwards compatibility always used a hardware GS (the GPU).
They emulated the EE and the VU1s, but not the GS.
I'm not sure the cost reduction was really worthwhile, but it's not something they can just flip back on, on machines that don't have it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679024</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit. Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]</p></div><p>Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.</p><p>Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.</p></div><p>I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user.  The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it, basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers, as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it's even there. And yes there is a reason to turn it off.  To remove it from the list of features that need to be supported going forward.</p><p>I'm really surprised that it lasted this long.</p></div><p>No one uses it because it's crippled.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the interest of openness , I 've decided to release the exploit .
Hopefully , this will ignite the PS3 scene [ ... ] Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit , but there 's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.Sony had to see this coming , now we just have to see if they 'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user .
The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there 's no reason for Sony to continue to support it , basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers , as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it 's even there .
And yes there is a reason to turn it off .
To remove it from the list of features that need to be supported going forward.I 'm really surprised that it lasted this long.No one uses it because it 's crippled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the interest of openness, I've decided to release the exploit.
Hopefully, this will ignite the PS3 scene [...]Looks like the fires need a little more than that to get lit, but there's a lot of pissed off users now with torches just aching to start a blaze.Sony had to see this coming, now we just have to see if they'll try to litigate their way out of it or own up.I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user.
The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it, basically a few high computing centers and a few hackers, as opposed to the millions of gamers who have no idea it's even there.
And yes there is a reason to turn it off.
To remove it from the list of features that need to be supported going forward.I'm really surprised that it lasted this long.No one uses it because it's crippled.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678736</id>
	<title>First DUH!!</title>
	<author>Rockoon</author>
	<datestamp>1269948600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, no duh!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , no duh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, no duh!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679616</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Sleepy</author>
	<datestamp>1269952620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OtherOS is not moving into some "unsupported" status, it is being BANNED. Removed. Gone. Did you read the article?<br>I have my PS3 box and documentation in storage, and it CLEARLY lists OtherOS and Linux as a feature.</p><p>Now they remove that feature.</p><p>Apparently you don't have a problem with false advertising? That's fine, your choice, but please don't spin the facts into something else.</p><p>How about if you brought your car into the dealer for unrelated service, and they removed the cruise control feature?<br>To be perfectly consistent with your previous statement, you would have to claim you do not really mind.<br>I never use my cruise control either, but it's still a feature of something I *own*.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OtherOS is not moving into some " unsupported " status , it is being BANNED .
Removed. Gone .
Did you read the article ? I have my PS3 box and documentation in storage , and it CLEARLY lists OtherOS and Linux as a feature.Now they remove that feature.Apparently you do n't have a problem with false advertising ?
That 's fine , your choice , but please do n't spin the facts into something else.How about if you brought your car into the dealer for unrelated service , and they removed the cruise control feature ? To be perfectly consistent with your previous statement , you would have to claim you do not really mind.I never use my cruise control either , but it 's still a feature of something I * own * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OtherOS is not moving into some "unsupported" status, it is being BANNED.
Removed. Gone.
Did you read the article?I have my PS3 box and documentation in storage, and it CLEARLY lists OtherOS and Linux as a feature.Now they remove that feature.Apparently you don't have a problem with false advertising?
That's fine, your choice, but please don't spin the facts into something else.How about if you brought your car into the dealer for unrelated service, and they removed the cruise control feature?To be perfectly consistent with your previous statement, you would have to claim you do not really mind.I never use my cruise control either, but it's still a feature of something I *own*.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683694</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269977880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the gamers are the early adopters, not geeks, two different groups. By gamer I mean people that buy the latest games, not those that play quake and doom for the last 15 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the gamers are the early adopters , not geeks , two different groups .
By gamer I mean people that buy the latest games , not those that play quake and doom for the last 15 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the gamers are the early adopters, not geeks, two different groups.
By gamer I mean people that buy the latest games, not those that play quake and doom for the last 15 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679538</id>
	<title>Buy Sorny</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1269952200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why I bought a Sorny PlayStayshin III instead. I can do whatever I want with it*, and there are never any updates that disable features. In fact, there are never any updates.  It runs MAME great though. Well, extremely slowly, but that just makes the games more playable IMO.</p><p>* Except connect to PSN, watch BluRay discs, or play PS3 games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why I bought a Sorny PlayStayshin III instead .
I can do whatever I want with it * , and there are never any updates that disable features .
In fact , there are never any updates .
It runs MAME great though .
Well , extremely slowly , but that just makes the games more playable IMO .
* Except connect to PSN , watch BluRay discs , or play PS3 games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why I bought a Sorny PlayStayshin III instead.
I can do whatever I want with it*, and there are never any updates that disable features.
In fact, there are never any updates.
It runs MAME great though.
Well, extremely slowly, but that just makes the games more playable IMO.
* Except connect to PSN, watch BluRay discs, or play PS3 games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681558</id>
	<title>Re:Sony is the new Apple.</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1269961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>While I love the products of both companies, they are becoming ridiculous control freaks. I'm not sure that I'll be buying any more products from either Apple or Sony.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Just like a battered wife, you'll keep being abused until you finally dump these companies.<br> <br>

I cant decide which company I'd rather not deal with more, Sony or Apple.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I love the products of both companies , they are becoming ridiculous control freaks .
I 'm not sure that I 'll be buying any more products from either Apple or Sony .
Just like a battered wife , you 'll keep being abused until you finally dump these companies .
I cant decide which company I 'd rather not deal with more , Sony or Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I love the products of both companies, they are becoming ridiculous control freaks.
I'm not sure that I'll be buying any more products from either Apple or Sony.
Just like a battered wife, you'll keep being abused until you finally dump these companies.
I cant decide which company I'd rather not deal with more, Sony or Apple.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679034</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1269949920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't play Metal Gear Solid 4, Super SF 4, or Valkyria Chronicles on a PC built with ITX parts</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't play Metal Gear Solid 4 , Super SF 4 , or Valkyria Chronicles on a PC built with ITX parts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't play Metal Gear Solid 4, Super SF 4, or Valkyria Chronicles on a PC built with ITX parts</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682618</id>
	<title>Re:Letter to Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269968160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for the link. Every time a new Sony product pops up on Engadget, Joystiq, GameSpot, etc., someone (everyone) should post this snippet up and point out that while it SOUNDS like the kind of boilerplate that companies put in end user agreements to cover themselves should they accidentally break something, it is in fact language that Sony has used in the past to justify intentionally disabling advertised features in products purchased by their customers. And when (not if) it happens again, you will have no recourse. WAKE UP EVERYONE! You are handing your hard earned money over to Sony, Sony promises you nothing, and they have a track record of taking away features you think you bought.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the link .
Every time a new Sony product pops up on Engadget , Joystiq , GameSpot , etc. , someone ( everyone ) should post this snippet up and point out that while it SOUNDS like the kind of boilerplate that companies put in end user agreements to cover themselves should they accidentally break something , it is in fact language that Sony has used in the past to justify intentionally disabling advertised features in products purchased by their customers .
And when ( not if ) it happens again , you will have no recourse .
WAKE UP EVERYONE !
You are handing your hard earned money over to Sony , Sony promises you nothing , and they have a track record of taking away features you think you bought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the link.
Every time a new Sony product pops up on Engadget, Joystiq, GameSpot, etc., someone (everyone) should post this snippet up and point out that while it SOUNDS like the kind of boilerplate that companies put in end user agreements to cover themselves should they accidentally break something, it is in fact language that Sony has used in the past to justify intentionally disabling advertised features in products purchased by their customers.
And when (not if) it happens again, you will have no recourse.
WAKE UP EVERYONE!
You are handing your hard earned money over to Sony, Sony promises you nothing, and they have a track record of taking away features you think you bought.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679192</id>
	<title>Tech users motivated this move</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1269950760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite shipping with the ability to install Linux, the ability to use any SATA drive to expand room, and the ability to use standard USB cables and external USB drives - despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch.</p><p>Well what did you expect showing no gratitude whatsoever?  That Sony would continue to expend money pleasing those who continued to deride them at every turn?  Instead of encouraging shipping Linux support on a major console like the delicate flower it was, technical people from all over stomped on that flower, spit on it, and then set fire to the remains.</p><p>Well, Karma is here.  And what Karma is saying is that you lost the ability to install your own OS on any shipping console for a generation or more.  Thanks assholes, you killed a feature I liked and admired and made life a little worse here on planet Earth.  Think about that a little the next time you can only think of product negatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite shipping with the ability to install Linux , the ability to use any SATA drive to expand room , and the ability to use standard USB cables and external USB drives - despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch.Well what did you expect showing no gratitude whatsoever ?
That Sony would continue to expend money pleasing those who continued to deride them at every turn ?
Instead of encouraging shipping Linux support on a major console like the delicate flower it was , technical people from all over stomped on that flower , spit on it , and then set fire to the remains.Well , Karma is here .
And what Karma is saying is that you lost the ability to install your own OS on any shipping console for a generation or more .
Thanks assholes , you killed a feature I liked and admired and made life a little worse here on planet Earth .
Think about that a little the next time you can only think of product negatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite shipping with the ability to install Linux, the ability to use any SATA drive to expand room, and the ability to use standard USB cables and external USB drives - despite this Sony got nothing but flack from technical users from the PS3 since launch.Well what did you expect showing no gratitude whatsoever?
That Sony would continue to expend money pleasing those who continued to deride them at every turn?
Instead of encouraging shipping Linux support on a major console like the delicate flower it was, technical people from all over stomped on that flower, spit on it, and then set fire to the remains.Well, Karma is here.
And what Karma is saying is that you lost the ability to install your own OS on any shipping console for a generation or more.
Thanks assholes, you killed a feature I liked and admired and made life a little worse here on planet Earth.
Think about that a little the next time you can only think of product negatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680626</id>
	<title>Letter to Sony</title>
	<author>Vanderhoth</author>
	<datestamp>1269956940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For anyone who's interested I wrote a letter to Sony Customer Support about this. Here is the letter I received as a response. Names were removed</p><p><div class="quote"><p>
 Discussion Thread<br>
 Response (xxxxxxxxxxxx)	03/30/2010 04:38 PM<br>
Hello xxxxxxx,<br>
<br>
Thank you for writing us with your concerns for the upcoming firmware release and it's features.<br>
<br>
The Playstation&#174;User agreement states that we may update the system which may change the operating system.<br>
<br>
11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES<br>
From time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that PlayStation(R)Network and content offered through Playstation&#174;Network, your PlayStation&#174;3 computer entertainment system, the PSP&#174; (PlayStation&#174;Portable) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines. Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into Playstation&#174;Network. Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation&#174;3 computer entertainment system, the PSP&#174; (PlayStation&#174;Portable) system, or other SCEA-authorized hardware. Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at <a href="http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse" title="playstation.com">http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse</a> [playstation.com]. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up.<br>
<br>
If you'd like to read the full user agreement, you may do so at the link below:<br>
<br>
Article Title: Terms of Use and User Agreement<br>
Article Link: <a href="http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a\_id/1109" title="custhelp.com">http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a\_id/1109</a> [custhelp.com] <br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For anyone who 's interested I wrote a letter to Sony Customer Support about this .
Here is the letter I received as a response .
Names were removed Discussion Thread Response ( xxxxxxxxxxxx ) 03/30/2010 04 : 38 PM Hello xxxxxxx , Thank you for writing us with your concerns for the upcoming firmware release and it 's features .
The Playstation   User agreement states that we may update the system which may change the operating system .
11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES From time to time , it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that PlayStation ( R ) Network and content offered through Playstation   Network , your PlayStation   3 computer entertainment system , the PSP   ( PlayStation   Portable ) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines .
Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into Playstation   Network .
Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system , cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities .
Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation   3 computer entertainment system , the PSP   ( PlayStation   Portable ) system , or other SCEA-authorized hardware .
Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at http : //www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse [ playstation.com ] .
You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services .
It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up .
If you 'd like to read the full user agreement , you may do so at the link below : Article Title : Terms of Use and User Agreement Article Link : http : //playstation.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a \ _id/1109 [ custhelp.com ] Regards , xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For anyone who's interested I wrote a letter to Sony Customer Support about this.
Here is the letter I received as a response.
Names were removed
 Discussion Thread
 Response (xxxxxxxxxxxx)	03/30/2010 04:38 PM
Hello xxxxxxx,

Thank you for writing us with your concerns for the upcoming firmware release and it's features.
The Playstation®User agreement states that we may update the system which may change the operating system.
11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES
From time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that PlayStation(R)Network and content offered through Playstation®Network, your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines.
Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into Playstation®Network.
Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities.
Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system, or other SCEA-authorized hardware.
Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse [playstation.com].
You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services.
It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up.
If you'd like to read the full user agreement, you may do so at the link below:

Article Title: Terms of Use and User Agreement
Article Link: http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a\_id/1109 [custhelp.com] 


Regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680132</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269954900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From my personal experience, 5/6 of my PS3-owning friends have installed Linux on their machines and these friends are by no means tech-savvy or have any previous *nix experience. At one time I considered purchasing a PS3 for this feature alone until I found the GPU was locked down to the 3rd party OS install feature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From my personal experience , 5/6 of my PS3-owning friends have installed Linux on their machines and these friends are by no means tech-savvy or have any previous * nix experience .
At one time I considered purchasing a PS3 for this feature alone until I found the GPU was locked down to the 3rd party OS install feature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my personal experience, 5/6 of my PS3-owning friends have installed Linux on their machines and these friends are by no means tech-savvy or have any previous *nix experience.
At one time I considered purchasing a PS3 for this feature alone until I found the GPU was locked down to the 3rd party OS install feature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681826</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269963180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From overpriced hardware that Sony tells you how you will use to Sonys Riaa participation to their willful monetary corruption of liberty through buying legislation it is time to declare a bloody war on Sony. Their factories,executive offices, stores that distribute them, networks, servers, employees and artists who make it all possible,everything must be decimated. It's them or us and I choose us. War is hell, lets toss them in the fiery lake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From overpriced hardware that Sony tells you how you will use to Sonys Riaa participation to their willful monetary corruption of liberty through buying legislation it is time to declare a bloody war on Sony .
Their factories,executive offices , stores that distribute them , networks , servers , employees and artists who make it all possible,everything must be decimated .
It 's them or us and I choose us .
War is hell , lets toss them in the fiery lake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From overpriced hardware that Sony tells you how you will use to Sonys Riaa participation to their willful monetary corruption of liberty through buying legislation it is time to declare a bloody war on Sony.
Their factories,executive offices, stores that distribute them, networks, servers, employees and artists who make it all possible,everything must be decimated.
It's them or us and I choose us.
War is hell, lets toss them in the fiery lake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683156</id>
	<title>Side effect</title>
	<author>Casandro</author>
	<datestamp>1269972900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The side effect of "Getting Linux back" will probably be the ability to run pirated games. Previously none of the Linux people cared about pirating games, now their knownledge gained from bringing back Linux might be used for just that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The side effect of " Getting Linux back " will probably be the ability to run pirated games .
Previously none of the Linux people cared about pirating games , now their knownledge gained from bringing back Linux might be used for just that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The side effect of "Getting Linux back" will probably be the ability to run pirated games.
Previously none of the Linux people cared about pirating games, now their knownledge gained from bringing back Linux might be used for just that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685738</id>
	<title>Apparently he's not a Gnome user.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1270040580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.<br><br>Apparently this guy doesn't use Gnome much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.Apparently this guy does n't use Gnome much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.Apparently this guy doesn't use Gnome much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679648</id>
	<title>Re:Well duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269952800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I chose a product because it had a feature, and it got removed after the fact. That's not legal."</p><p>i wish I had a JD from "internets university".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I chose a product because it had a feature , and it got removed after the fact .
That 's not legal .
" i wish I had a JD from " internets university " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I chose a product because it had a feature, and it got removed after the fact.
That's not legal.
"i wish I had a JD from "internets university".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685688</id>
	<title>Re:April 1st release... c'mon guys</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1270040100000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Traditionally April fools jokes happen on April 1st.  Pre-announcing an April fools joke days beforehand is not really acceptable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Traditionally April fools jokes happen on April 1st .
Pre-announcing an April fools joke days beforehand is not really acceptable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Traditionally April fools jokes happen on April 1st.
Pre-announcing an April fools joke days beforehand is not really acceptable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31688040</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this even an issue?</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1270051680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>MS?  Not Anti-consumer?  The same MS who threatened Toshiba if they shipped a BeOS box in the 90's?  The same MS who wants 80 bucks for 802.11g on their gaming console(Much less any other feature that didn't come out of the box)?  The same MS who decides once you install NT/XP/Vista/7 that your bootloader goes byebye?  Was it Sony that released an OS that could be rootkitted by a music CD?</p><p>I could name a lot of evil corporations.  A vendor for consumer and some professional grade equipment do not even come close.  So what if they have their own format for Flash memory or heaven forbid the feature they don't advertise in the manual is going away.  You want to talk about evil?  Let's talk evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS ?
Not Anti-consumer ?
The same MS who threatened Toshiba if they shipped a BeOS box in the 90 's ?
The same MS who wants 80 bucks for 802.11g on their gaming console ( Much less any other feature that did n't come out of the box ) ?
The same MS who decides once you install NT/XP/Vista/7 that your bootloader goes byebye ?
Was it Sony that released an OS that could be rootkitted by a music CD ? I could name a lot of evil corporations .
A vendor for consumer and some professional grade equipment do not even come close .
So what if they have their own format for Flash memory or heaven forbid the feature they do n't advertise in the manual is going away .
You want to talk about evil ?
Let 's talk evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS?
Not Anti-consumer?
The same MS who threatened Toshiba if they shipped a BeOS box in the 90's?
The same MS who wants 80 bucks for 802.11g on their gaming console(Much less any other feature that didn't come out of the box)?
The same MS who decides once you install NT/XP/Vista/7 that your bootloader goes byebye?
Was it Sony that released an OS that could be rootkitted by a music CD?I could name a lot of evil corporations.
A vendor for consumer and some professional grade equipment do not even come close.
So what if they have their own format for Flash memory or heaven forbid the feature they don't advertise in the manual is going away.
You want to talk about evil?
Let's talk evil.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682458</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this even an issue?</title>
	<author>NitroWolf</author>
	<datestamp>1269967020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really?  More evil than DeBeers, Walmart, Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, GM, Whole Foods, Microsoft and Verizon(or $telco\_here)?</p><p>Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds, worker exploitation, war profiteering, building unsafe cars, soaking the general consumer, releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week?</p><p>Really?  evil?</p></div><p>Perhaps you'd like to re-read my original post.  I said one of the worst - they are right along side those companies you listed, yet.</p><p>However, no, Microsoft is not in that category.  MS may suck, but they are not anti consumer in the way Sony is.  MS is pro-profit and who cares about the consumer (to a degree) - whereas Sony actively and in a hostile manner targets the consumer.  They do NOT want you to copy media or use their products in a way they do not intend, they do NOT want you to use products that are not Sony.  Microsoft, on the other hand doesn't care, they just want your money.  If that means you use Windows on a Mac, they don't care, so long as you buy Windows.  Want to use Adobe products along side your MS products?  No problem.</p><p>Sony, on the other hand - you want to use an SD card in our device?  FUCK YOU!  You MUST buy our shitty MemoryStick if you want portable media.  That's the difference.</p><p>And taking away Linux support isn't worse than anything, I think it's a good thing.  Sony should take away every single bit of functionality from every single product they have.  Then, maybe, some people will finally realize what a shithole of a company Sony is and refuse to ever buy their products again.</p><p>I haven't purchased a Sony product since the last century and I am happy to say I have prevented several tens of thousands of dollars, if not more than $100,000 from being spent on Sony products through friends and family asking me for recommendations on products.  It may be a drop in the bucket to the bottom line of Sony, but at least I'm doing my part... unlike the rest of these fucks up in arms over Sony doing what Sony does and removing consumer rights unilaterally and often against the law.</p><p>And for the record, no I don't buy diamonds (DeBeers aside, they are a scam to begin with), I don't shop at Walmart, I don't think I use/buy anything related to Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, and I never buy American cars anymore because they are such garbage, I do shop at Whole Foods (What's the problem there? I'll Google that after this), I already addressed Microsoft and I would never patronize Verizon from all the horror stories I've heard; Their phones are total crippled junk anyway.  Besides, Sony is worse than any $telco\_here you can possibly name.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Really ?
More evil than DeBeers , Walmart , Halliburton , Xe/Blackwater , GM , Whole Foods , Microsoft and Verizon ( or $ telco \ _here ) ? Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds , worker exploitation , war profiteering , building unsafe cars , soaking the general consumer , releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week ? Really ?
evil ? Perhaps you 'd like to re-read my original post .
I said one of the worst - they are right along side those companies you listed , yet.However , no , Microsoft is not in that category .
MS may suck , but they are not anti consumer in the way Sony is .
MS is pro-profit and who cares about the consumer ( to a degree ) - whereas Sony actively and in a hostile manner targets the consumer .
They do NOT want you to copy media or use their products in a way they do not intend , they do NOT want you to use products that are not Sony .
Microsoft , on the other hand does n't care , they just want your money .
If that means you use Windows on a Mac , they do n't care , so long as you buy Windows .
Want to use Adobe products along side your MS products ?
No problem.Sony , on the other hand - you want to use an SD card in our device ?
FUCK YOU !
You MUST buy our shitty MemoryStick if you want portable media .
That 's the difference.And taking away Linux support is n't worse than anything , I think it 's a good thing .
Sony should take away every single bit of functionality from every single product they have .
Then , maybe , some people will finally realize what a shithole of a company Sony is and refuse to ever buy their products again.I have n't purchased a Sony product since the last century and I am happy to say I have prevented several tens of thousands of dollars , if not more than $ 100,000 from being spent on Sony products through friends and family asking me for recommendations on products .
It may be a drop in the bucket to the bottom line of Sony , but at least I 'm doing my part... unlike the rest of these fucks up in arms over Sony doing what Sony does and removing consumer rights unilaterally and often against the law.And for the record , no I do n't buy diamonds ( DeBeers aside , they are a scam to begin with ) , I do n't shop at Walmart , I do n't think I use/buy anything related to Halliburton , Xe/Blackwater , and I never buy American cars anymore because they are such garbage , I do shop at Whole Foods ( What 's the problem there ?
I 'll Google that after this ) , I already addressed Microsoft and I would never patronize Verizon from all the horror stories I 've heard ; Their phones are total crippled junk anyway .
Besides , Sony is worse than any $ telco \ _here you can possibly name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
More evil than DeBeers, Walmart, Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, GM, Whole Foods, Microsoft and Verizon(or $telco\_here)?Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds, worker exploitation, war profiteering, building unsafe cars, soaking the general consumer, releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week?Really?
evil?Perhaps you'd like to re-read my original post.
I said one of the worst - they are right along side those companies you listed, yet.However, no, Microsoft is not in that category.
MS may suck, but they are not anti consumer in the way Sony is.
MS is pro-profit and who cares about the consumer (to a degree) - whereas Sony actively and in a hostile manner targets the consumer.
They do NOT want you to copy media or use their products in a way they do not intend, they do NOT want you to use products that are not Sony.
Microsoft, on the other hand doesn't care, they just want your money.
If that means you use Windows on a Mac, they don't care, so long as you buy Windows.
Want to use Adobe products along side your MS products?
No problem.Sony, on the other hand - you want to use an SD card in our device?
FUCK YOU!
You MUST buy our shitty MemoryStick if you want portable media.
That's the difference.And taking away Linux support isn't worse than anything, I think it's a good thing.
Sony should take away every single bit of functionality from every single product they have.
Then, maybe, some people will finally realize what a shithole of a company Sony is and refuse to ever buy their products again.I haven't purchased a Sony product since the last century and I am happy to say I have prevented several tens of thousands of dollars, if not more than $100,000 from being spent on Sony products through friends and family asking me for recommendations on products.
It may be a drop in the bucket to the bottom line of Sony, but at least I'm doing my part... unlike the rest of these fucks up in arms over Sony doing what Sony does and removing consumer rights unilaterally and often against the law.And for the record, no I don't buy diamonds (DeBeers aside, they are a scam to begin with), I don't shop at Walmart, I don't think I use/buy anything related to Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, and I never buy American cars anymore because they are such garbage, I do shop at Whole Foods (What's the problem there?
I'll Google that after this), I already addressed Microsoft and I would never patronize Verizon from all the horror stories I've heard; Their phones are total crippled junk anyway.
Besides, Sony is worse than any $telco\_here you can possibly name.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679796</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1269953340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It hit the front page of BBC for a bit. May not be a big concern to gamers, but it did hit Sony with some major bad press that even non-gamer's will go "I was thinking about buying a Sony Camera, but I saw that article about the complaints and I guess I go with a Nikon"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It hit the front page of BBC for a bit .
May not be a big concern to gamers , but it did hit Sony with some major bad press that even non-gamer 's will go " I was thinking about buying a Sony Camera , but I saw that article about the complaints and I guess I go with a Nikon "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It hit the front page of BBC for a bit.
May not be a big concern to gamers, but it did hit Sony with some major bad press that even non-gamer's will go "I was thinking about buying a Sony Camera, but I saw that article about the complaints and I guess I go with a Nikon"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685684</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>master811</author>
	<datestamp>1270040100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt then you will be watching those Blu-Rays at full 1080p under XP with a non-hdcp monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt then you will be watching those Blu-Rays at full 1080p under XP with a non-hdcp monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt then you will be watching those Blu-Rays at full 1080p under XP with a non-hdcp monitor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679362</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>garlicbready</author>
	<datestamp>1269951600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally I've always intended to use Linux on the PS3 not for the usability aspect<br>but simply because it has around 7-8 cores (if you include the PPU) running at around 3.2Ghz (most have limited memory)<br>the sort of thing ideal for running simulations / cracking codes<br>(personal interest was more geared towards the use of FEM or Finite-Element-Analysis to simulate different types of stress's within CAD)<br>if your clever enough to code for it, effectively your own mini super computer</p><p>I'd be fairly impressed if he does manage to pull off running custom firmware on the PS3<br>From what I understand there's been some hardware around for a while (similar to a mod chip)<br>that allows you to read or write directly to the firmware bios chip</p><p>but the main issue has always been that the firmware code needed to be digitally signed before it would run on the metal<br>which meant you were pretty much limited to just switching between different official versions of the Sony bios<br>up until now the use of such a mod was fairly limited / useless as you couldn't run any custom code without getting around the digital signature issue</p><p>given recent developments, such a mod may become more popular if it allows users to say switch temporarily to an older official bios for Linux<br>then back to the new one for the PSN</p><p>if the new hack that's recently been discovered could somehow lead to a workaround on the digital signature<br>(if custom firmware's could be run on the box in some way)<br>that pretty much opens the flood gates for pirate software, as all your missing then is a custom loader<br>from what I understand of the loaders so far most of them have relied on bugs patched in new firmwares<br>and even then the closest I think anyone ever got to running pirate games was booting them off the HD</p><p>If the firmware itself with the digital signature is hacked then Sony's going to be in for a whole world of hurt<br>even if they tried to block users on the PSN I don't think it would take much to simply generate a new random number and pass this onto the PSN to re-register if you've gotten as far as accessing the box at the firmware level</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I 've always intended to use Linux on the PS3 not for the usability aspectbut simply because it has around 7-8 cores ( if you include the PPU ) running at around 3.2Ghz ( most have limited memory ) the sort of thing ideal for running simulations / cracking codes ( personal interest was more geared towards the use of FEM or Finite-Element-Analysis to simulate different types of stress 's within CAD ) if your clever enough to code for it , effectively your own mini super computerI 'd be fairly impressed if he does manage to pull off running custom firmware on the PS3From what I understand there 's been some hardware around for a while ( similar to a mod chip ) that allows you to read or write directly to the firmware bios chipbut the main issue has always been that the firmware code needed to be digitally signed before it would run on the metalwhich meant you were pretty much limited to just switching between different official versions of the Sony biosup until now the use of such a mod was fairly limited / useless as you could n't run any custom code without getting around the digital signature issuegiven recent developments , such a mod may become more popular if it allows users to say switch temporarily to an older official bios for Linuxthen back to the new one for the PSNif the new hack that 's recently been discovered could somehow lead to a workaround on the digital signature ( if custom firmware 's could be run on the box in some way ) that pretty much opens the flood gates for pirate software , as all your missing then is a custom loaderfrom what I understand of the loaders so far most of them have relied on bugs patched in new firmwaresand even then the closest I think anyone ever got to running pirate games was booting them off the HDIf the firmware itself with the digital signature is hacked then Sony 's going to be in for a whole world of hurteven if they tried to block users on the PSN I do n't think it would take much to simply generate a new random number and pass this onto the PSN to re-register if you 've gotten as far as accessing the box at the firmware level</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I've always intended to use Linux on the PS3 not for the usability aspectbut simply because it has around 7-8 cores (if you include the PPU) running at around 3.2Ghz (most have limited memory)the sort of thing ideal for running simulations / cracking codes(personal interest was more geared towards the use of FEM or Finite-Element-Analysis to simulate different types of stress's within CAD)if your clever enough to code for it, effectively your own mini super computerI'd be fairly impressed if he does manage to pull off running custom firmware on the PS3From what I understand there's been some hardware around for a while (similar to a mod chip)that allows you to read or write directly to the firmware bios chipbut the main issue has always been that the firmware code needed to be digitally signed before it would run on the metalwhich meant you were pretty much limited to just switching between different official versions of the Sony biosup until now the use of such a mod was fairly limited / useless as you couldn't run any custom code without getting around the digital signature issuegiven recent developments, such a mod may become more popular if it allows users to say switch temporarily to an older official bios for Linuxthen back to the new one for the PSNif the new hack that's recently been discovered could somehow lead to a workaround on the digital signature(if custom firmware's could be run on the box in some way)that pretty much opens the flood gates for pirate software, as all your missing then is a custom loaderfrom what I understand of the loaders so far most of them have relied on bugs patched in new firmwaresand even then the closest I think anyone ever got to running pirate games was booting them off the HDIf the firmware itself with the digital signature is hacked then Sony's going to be in for a whole world of hurteven if they tried to block users on the PSN I don't think it would take much to simply generate a new random number and pass this onto the PSN to re-register if you've gotten as far as accessing the box at the firmware level</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680930</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269958500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Except they own PSN, not you so if you want to connect to PSN, you have to play by their rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they own PSN , not you so if you want to connect to PSN , you have to play by their rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they own PSN, not you so if you want to connect to PSN, you have to play by their rules.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681338</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1269960600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP.</p></div><p>This is a story about PS3, perhaps you could watch the BD on your PS3?</p></div>
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<tokenext>For example , I can watch Blu-ray under XP.This is a story about PS3 , perhaps you could watch the BD on your PS3 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP.This is a story about PS3, perhaps you could watch the BD on your PS3?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680064</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269954660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>People ask why I don't play online games... I just will not play with rampant cheaters.</p><p>I bet my group outnumbers yours. Quite a dilemma, is it not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People ask why I do n't play online games... I just will not play with rampant cheaters.I bet my group outnumbers yours .
Quite a dilemma , is it not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People ask why I don't play online games... I just will not play with rampant cheaters.I bet my group outnumbers yours.
Quite a dilemma, is it not?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683460</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1269975720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</p></div><p>You do own the hardware, you do not own the software (you license it) and you don't own PSN (it's a service governed by a TOS agreement, i'd presume somewhere mandating that you use the licensed software only).</p></div>
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<tokenext>I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.You do own the hardware , you do not own the software ( you license it ) and you do n't own PSN ( it 's a service governed by a TOS agreement , i 'd presume somewhere mandating that you use the licensed software only ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.You do own the hardware, you do not own the software (you license it) and you don't own PSN (it's a service governed by a TOS agreement, i'd presume somewhere mandating that you use the licensed software only).
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	<title>Re:Tech users motivated this move</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269954720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Thanks assholes, you killed a feature I liked and admired"</p><p>Thanks asshole for putting the blame on people that had nothing to do with it in the first place.</p><p>Thank you asshole for not having the balls to get a lawyer and stand up to this bullshit, thus giving the company incentive to continue the dishonest practices.</p><p>Thank you, asshole, for NOTHING.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Thanks assholes , you killed a feature I liked and admired " Thanks asshole for putting the blame on people that had nothing to do with it in the first place.Thank you asshole for not having the balls to get a lawyer and stand up to this bullshit , thus giving the company incentive to continue the dishonest practices.Thank you , asshole , for NOTHING .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Thanks assholes, you killed a feature I liked and admired"Thanks asshole for putting the blame on people that had nothing to do with it in the first place.Thank you asshole for not having the balls to get a lawyer and stand up to this bullshit, thus giving the company incentive to continue the dishonest practices.Thank you, asshole, for NOTHING.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679382</id>
	<title>Re:Emulation disabled?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269951660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you even read TFA?.. He was making the point that features keep being removed from later models, but he can't believe that this time they're actually removing the feature from a model that *did* have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you even read TFA ? . .
He was making the point that features keep being removed from later models , but he ca n't believe that this time they 're actually removing the feature from a model that * did * have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read TFA?..
He was making the point that features keep being removed from later models, but he can't believe that this time they're actually removing the feature from a model that *did* have it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:April 1st release... c'mon guys</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269959760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This whole thing would have been less surreal and controversial if instead of saying <em>"3.21 means no more OtherOS Just Because."</em> they had <em>"Here's this feature the community has been absolutely begging for, and this one, and this one, and this one... oh, by the way, it'll probably disable OtherOS so plan around that."</em></p><p>What they have done is effectively make pre-3.21 fat PS3s high-value items for the people interested in homebrew, backups and "backups". Eventually they'll be cracked, and they'll have cracked firmwares installed on them that will provide all the official features plus the useful things that Sony apparently skipped on doing all this time to release this potentially crippling update.</p><p>Oh, and this all assumes that the OtherOS option will even be necessary to mod the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole thing would have been less surreal and controversial if instead of saying " 3.21 means no more OtherOS Just Because .
" they had " Here 's this feature the community has been absolutely begging for , and this one , and this one , and this one... oh , by the way , it 'll probably disable OtherOS so plan around that .
" What they have done is effectively make pre-3.21 fat PS3s high-value items for the people interested in homebrew , backups and " backups " .
Eventually they 'll be cracked , and they 'll have cracked firmwares installed on them that will provide all the official features plus the useful things that Sony apparently skipped on doing all this time to release this potentially crippling update.Oh , and this all assumes that the OtherOS option will even be necessary to mod the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole thing would have been less surreal and controversial if instead of saying "3.21 means no more OtherOS Just Because.
" they had "Here's this feature the community has been absolutely begging for, and this one, and this one, and this one... oh, by the way, it'll probably disable OtherOS so plan around that.
"What they have done is effectively make pre-3.21 fat PS3s high-value items for the people interested in homebrew, backups and "backups".
Eventually they'll be cracked, and they'll have cracked firmwares installed on them that will provide all the official features plus the useful things that Sony apparently skipped on doing all this time to release this potentially crippling update.Oh, and this all assumes that the OtherOS option will even be necessary to mod the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678866</id>
	<title>Legions, sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't 'legions of ps3 users' an oximoron to start with. The 1\% of those legion that use linux must be millions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't 'legions of ps3 users ' an oximoron to start with .
The 1 \ % of those legion that use linux must be millions : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't 'legions of ps3 users' an oximoron to start with.
The 1\% of those legion that use linux must be millions :p</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31687380</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>gsslay</author>
	<datestamp>1270049340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really think that Sony were relying on a bunch of Linux geeks to make their games console popular?  Honestly??</p><p>The vast majority of PS3 users couldn't give a flying **** what OS it is running, as long as the games are good.  That is the market Sony aimed for in their early adopters.  That is the market they continue to target.  That's what you do for a games/media platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really think that Sony were relying on a bunch of Linux geeks to make their games console popular ?
Honestly ? ? The vast majority of PS3 users could n't give a flying * * * * what OS it is running , as long as the games are good .
That is the market Sony aimed for in their early adopters .
That is the market they continue to target .
That 's what you do for a games/media platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really think that Sony were relying on a bunch of Linux geeks to make their games console popular?
Honestly??The vast majority of PS3 users couldn't give a flying **** what OS it is running, as long as the games are good.
That is the market Sony aimed for in their early adopters.
That is the market they continue to target.
That's what you do for a games/media platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679174</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269950640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, slasdoters tend to way over estimate the collective moral outrage that exists out there in the world beyond this website.  There needs to be some acceptance of reality that its very unlikely you are going to make $COMPANY pay!</p><p>Still I totally understand the frustration.  There are lots of comments to the effect here to of: I did not buy a $PRODUCT to do $TASK, where task is something other then the most common application.  Still if you bought something that advertised $FEATURE its not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to use it for that, and its a little unfair for the vendor to come along after and say "well no you can't do that anymore."</p><p>Its not like you can just not apply the new firmwares either, because if you don't you can't run the latest games.  Lots of people probably did buy a PS3 expecting that they could run Linux AND native PS3 software.  If Sony wants to be a responsible vendor (and they have proved time and time again, at virtually every opportunity they are not) they would support the full feature set for the life cycle of the product.</p><p>What people have to start doing is being personally responsible enough to assess the past behavior of vendors and decide if that and the merits of the product make the purchase worth while.  I have been burned by Sony enough times that I WILL NOT BUY their products even when they are light years ahead of the competition because I know I will end the end be treated badly by them.</p><p>You can sell me awful hardware if your customer service is good enough.   If I feel like you care about my problems and you're solving them quickly and painlessly when they happen, I will put up with a lot of problems.  If you pull Sony type BS all the time than forget it, I don't want to do business with you becuase I know when I do have a problem its going be misery, even if there will be few problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , slasdoters tend to way over estimate the collective moral outrage that exists out there in the world beyond this website .
There needs to be some acceptance of reality that its very unlikely you are going to make $ COMPANY pay ! Still I totally understand the frustration .
There are lots of comments to the effect here to of : I did not buy a $ PRODUCT to do $ TASK , where task is something other then the most common application .
Still if you bought something that advertised $ FEATURE its not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to use it for that , and its a little unfair for the vendor to come along after and say " well no you ca n't do that anymore .
" Its not like you can just not apply the new firmwares either , because if you do n't you ca n't run the latest games .
Lots of people probably did buy a PS3 expecting that they could run Linux AND native PS3 software .
If Sony wants to be a responsible vendor ( and they have proved time and time again , at virtually every opportunity they are not ) they would support the full feature set for the life cycle of the product.What people have to start doing is being personally responsible enough to assess the past behavior of vendors and decide if that and the merits of the product make the purchase worth while .
I have been burned by Sony enough times that I WILL NOT BUY their products even when they are light years ahead of the competition because I know I will end the end be treated badly by them.You can sell me awful hardware if your customer service is good enough .
If I feel like you care about my problems and you 're solving them quickly and painlessly when they happen , I will put up with a lot of problems .
If you pull Sony type BS all the time than forget it , I do n't want to do business with you becuase I know when I do have a problem its going be misery , even if there will be few problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, slasdoters tend to way over estimate the collective moral outrage that exists out there in the world beyond this website.
There needs to be some acceptance of reality that its very unlikely you are going to make $COMPANY pay!Still I totally understand the frustration.
There are lots of comments to the effect here to of: I did not buy a $PRODUCT to do $TASK, where task is something other then the most common application.
Still if you bought something that advertised $FEATURE its not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to use it for that, and its a little unfair for the vendor to come along after and say "well no you can't do that anymore.
"Its not like you can just not apply the new firmwares either, because if you don't you can't run the latest games.
Lots of people probably did buy a PS3 expecting that they could run Linux AND native PS3 software.
If Sony wants to be a responsible vendor (and they have proved time and time again, at virtually every opportunity they are not) they would support the full feature set for the life cycle of the product.What people have to start doing is being personally responsible enough to assess the past behavior of vendors and decide if that and the merits of the product make the purchase worth while.
I have been burned by Sony enough times that I WILL NOT BUY their products even when they are light years ahead of the competition because I know I will end the end be treated badly by them.You can sell me awful hardware if your customer service is good enough.
If I feel like you care about my problems and you're solving them quickly and painlessly when they happen, I will put up with a lot of problems.
If you pull Sony type BS all the time than forget it, I don't want to do business with you becuase I know when I do have a problem its going be misery, even if there will be few problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682644</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269968340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter how many or how few people use the feature... what matters is that we ALL paid for it, and Sony is taking it away just because it is inconvenient for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter how many or how few people use the feature... what matters is that we ALL paid for it , and Sony is taking it away just because it is inconvenient for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter how many or how few people use the feature... what matters is that we ALL paid for it, and Sony is taking it away just because it is inconvenient for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678784</id>
	<title>Sony is the new Apple.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I love the products of both companies, they are becoming ridiculous control freaks.  I'm not sure that I'll be buying any more products from either Apple or Sony.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I love the products of both companies , they are becoming ridiculous control freaks .
I 'm not sure that I 'll be buying any more products from either Apple or Sony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I love the products of both companies, they are becoming ridiculous control freaks.
I'm not sure that I'll be buying any more products from either Apple or Sony.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682122</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>KillShill</author>
	<datestamp>1269965100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any device that can play Bribe-Ray (guess how they won the format war), HAS to implement HDCP, thereby being infected with DRM.</p><p>Does Apple software support BR? If so, they have joined the esteemed ranks of Microsoft. Apple in Swahili means "vendor of artificial limitations".</p><p>Sony, MS, Apple (there are others, just being brief) : anti-consumer in their own respective ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any device that can play Bribe-Ray ( guess how they won the format war ) , HAS to implement HDCP , thereby being infected with DRM.Does Apple software support BR ?
If so , they have joined the esteemed ranks of Microsoft .
Apple in Swahili means " vendor of artificial limitations " .Sony , MS , Apple ( there are others , just being brief ) : anti-consumer in their own respective ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any device that can play Bribe-Ray (guess how they won the format war), HAS to implement HDCP, thereby being infected with DRM.Does Apple software support BR?
If so, they have joined the esteemed ranks of Microsoft.
Apple in Swahili means "vendor of artificial limitations".Sony, MS, Apple (there are others, just being brief) : anti-consumer in their own respective ways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679662</id>
	<title>Re:April 1st release... c'mon guys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269952800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony is not a company known for having a sense of humor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony is not a company known for having a sense of humor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony is not a company known for having a sense of humor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31702092</id>
	<title>Re:Letter to Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270151820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*bawwwww* *bawwwww* Such epic whining! You are a champion of entitlement mentality, you must be an American!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* bawwwww * * bawwwww * Such epic whining !
You are a champion of entitlement mentality , you must be an American !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*bawwwww* *bawwwww* Such epic whining!
You are a champion of entitlement mentality, you must be an American!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685578</id>
	<title>Look at the proposed date of the release</title>
	<author>dragmar</author>
	<datestamp>1270039200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look at the proposed date of the release:

The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 (PS3) system will be released on April 1, 2010 . This time of year you have to be leery of every post/blog/news release</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at the proposed date of the release : The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 ( PS3 ) system will be released on April 1 , 2010 .
This time of year you have to be leery of every post/blog/news release</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at the proposed date of the release:

The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 (PS3) system will be released on April 1, 2010 .
This time of year you have to be leery of every post/blog/news release</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31696518</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1270048920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus I don't even trust geohot to come up with a halfway decent solution. So far he's just stumbled through a hard to reproduce, glitchy, relatively useless hack.</p></div><p>Even then it's just a common fault attack, sure this compromises the hypervisor but it certainly doesn't mean we can now customize GameOS or anything like that, the PS3 has a number of other security layers that would have to be bypassed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus I do n't even trust geohot to come up with a halfway decent solution .
So far he 's just stumbled through a hard to reproduce , glitchy , relatively useless hack.Even then it 's just a common fault attack , sure this compromises the hypervisor but it certainly does n't mean we can now customize GameOS or anything like that , the PS3 has a number of other security layers that would have to be bypassed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus I don't even trust geohot to come up with a halfway decent solution.
So far he's just stumbled through a hard to reproduce, glitchy, relatively useless hack.Even then it's just a common fault attack, sure this compromises the hypervisor but it certainly doesn't mean we can now customize GameOS or anything like that, the PS3 has a number of other security layers that would have to be bypassed.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680492</id>
	<title>it's not the only console to lose features</title>
	<author>YesIAmAScript</author>
	<datestamp>1269956280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XBox 360 lost the subscription feature for demos with the NXE. It also will lose online play for Xbox games when Live for original Xbox in two weeks.</p><p>I can't think of any older consoles that lost features with software updates, although many lost features in new versions, most notably progressive component out removed from Gamecube.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XBox 360 lost the subscription feature for demos with the NXE .
It also will lose online play for Xbox games when Live for original Xbox in two weeks.I ca n't think of any older consoles that lost features with software updates , although many lost features in new versions , most notably progressive component out removed from Gamecube .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XBox 360 lost the subscription feature for demos with the NXE.
It also will lose online play for Xbox games when Live for original Xbox in two weeks.I can't think of any older consoles that lost features with software updates, although many lost features in new versions, most notably progressive component out removed from Gamecube.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681122</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1269959580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Ya know... The folks that made it popular in the first place.</i> </p><p>Good god.</p><p>Is the geek really this swell-headed?</p><p>The PS3 was a strong, competitive, entry in the console game sweepstakes. It was and remains an equally credible, Internet enabled, Blu-Ray player.</p><p>That is what sold the product.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya know... The folks that made it popular in the first place .
Good god.Is the geek really this swell-headed ? The PS3 was a strong , competitive , entry in the console game sweepstakes .
It was and remains an equally credible , Internet enabled , Blu-Ray player.That is what sold the product .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya know... The folks that made it popular in the first place.
Good god.Is the geek really this swell-headed?The PS3 was a strong, competitive, entry in the console game sweepstakes.
It was and remains an equally credible, Internet enabled, Blu-Ray player.That is what sold the product.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679128</id>
	<title>damn Sony</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1269950340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>as a hardware appliance matures it would only seem normal that as it matures the firmware &amp; software running it would get better, not lose capabilities &amp; features, hey Sony you suck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>as a hardware appliance matures it would only seem normal that as it matures the firmware &amp; software running it would get better , not lose capabilities &amp; features , hey Sony you suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a hardware appliance matures it would only seem normal that as it matures the firmware &amp; software running it would get better, not lose capabilities &amp; features, hey Sony you suck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682470</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it"</p><p>Sony is going further than not supporting it.  3.21 wipes or disables the partition the Linux install is on, at minimum.  The data is inaccessible.  Even the official blog posts tells people to back up prior to the update.  The rumor from those who have called Sony on Monday is that the entire drive is wiped.  Given the firmware hasn't been yet released, we'll see in a couple of days what actually happens.</p><p>You and many users may not care about the Other OS feature, but the average user should be concerned with a system that wipes or makes inaccessible their data.  It shows the parent company are BAD ACTORS in the agreement between customer and company.  Particularly given the PS3 can have other content on it, likes shows and movies, that were purchased.  Particularly given the fat PS3 owners were the early adopters, who are the ones likely to pick up a PS4.  They got burned, you think they are going to pony up $500-600 for the next gen console?  Hell no.  They won't buy or wait for the "slim" version, which impacts early adoption, something Sony seriously suffers with on the PS3 to this day.</p><p>Amazon still gets shit about their selling of unauthorized copies of \_1984\_ and subsequent forced removal of the work.  How many average users are going to buy a system that Sony could cripple?</p><p>What next, the PS4 could come out, and Sony could brick all PS3 systems.  We already saw the last couple of weeks what happens when PSN goes to shit.</p><p>I doubt it's a hoax.  It may be, but my guess is that there's an underlying truth to their threat--the April 1st date is used as an out while they gauge reactions from the community.  If they get too much shit, they'll just say it was a joke.  If they get not much negative reaction, they'll yank the feature as scheduled.</p><p>Even if this is a joke, the potential has been shown to their potential customers, and the damage done.  Pretty stupid joke, one that hurts their bottom line when they are 3rd in the console numbers, if you ask me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there 's no reason for Sony to continue to support it " Sony is going further than not supporting it .
3.21 wipes or disables the partition the Linux install is on , at minimum .
The data is inaccessible .
Even the official blog posts tells people to back up prior to the update .
The rumor from those who have called Sony on Monday is that the entire drive is wiped .
Given the firmware has n't been yet released , we 'll see in a couple of days what actually happens.You and many users may not care about the Other OS feature , but the average user should be concerned with a system that wipes or makes inaccessible their data .
It shows the parent company are BAD ACTORS in the agreement between customer and company .
Particularly given the PS3 can have other content on it , likes shows and movies , that were purchased .
Particularly given the fat PS3 owners were the early adopters , who are the ones likely to pick up a PS4 .
They got burned , you think they are going to pony up $ 500-600 for the next gen console ?
Hell no .
They wo n't buy or wait for the " slim " version , which impacts early adoption , something Sony seriously suffers with on the PS3 to this day.Amazon still gets shit about their selling of unauthorized copies of \ _1984 \ _ and subsequent forced removal of the work .
How many average users are going to buy a system that Sony could cripple ? What next , the PS4 could come out , and Sony could brick all PS3 systems .
We already saw the last couple of weeks what happens when PSN goes to shit.I doubt it 's a hoax .
It may be , but my guess is that there 's an underlying truth to their threat--the April 1st date is used as an out while they gauge reactions from the community .
If they get too much shit , they 'll just say it was a joke .
If they get not much negative reaction , they 'll yank the feature as scheduled.Even if this is a joke , the potential has been shown to their potential customers , and the damage done .
Pretty stupid joke , one that hurts their bottom line when they are 3rd in the console numbers , if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it"Sony is going further than not supporting it.
3.21 wipes or disables the partition the Linux install is on, at minimum.
The data is inaccessible.
Even the official blog posts tells people to back up prior to the update.
The rumor from those who have called Sony on Monday is that the entire drive is wiped.
Given the firmware hasn't been yet released, we'll see in a couple of days what actually happens.You and many users may not care about the Other OS feature, but the average user should be concerned with a system that wipes or makes inaccessible their data.
It shows the parent company are BAD ACTORS in the agreement between customer and company.
Particularly given the PS3 can have other content on it, likes shows and movies, that were purchased.
Particularly given the fat PS3 owners were the early adopters, who are the ones likely to pick up a PS4.
They got burned, you think they are going to pony up $500-600 for the next gen console?
Hell no.
They won't buy or wait for the "slim" version, which impacts early adoption, something Sony seriously suffers with on the PS3 to this day.Amazon still gets shit about their selling of unauthorized copies of \_1984\_ and subsequent forced removal of the work.
How many average users are going to buy a system that Sony could cripple?What next, the PS4 could come out, and Sony could brick all PS3 systems.
We already saw the last couple of weeks what happens when PSN goes to shit.I doubt it's a hoax.
It may be, but my guess is that there's an underlying truth to their threat--the April 1st date is used as an out while they gauge reactions from the community.
If they get too much shit, they'll just say it was a joke.
If they get not much negative reaction, they'll yank the feature as scheduled.Even if this is a joke, the potential has been shown to their potential customers, and the damage done.
Pretty stupid joke, one that hurts their bottom line when they are 3rd in the console numbers, if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31691488</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1270065960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do own it, you are more than welcome to not take the software update or other free services that you don't own if you don't want to.</p><p>Way to try and warp it around to something its not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do own it , you are more than welcome to not take the software update or other free services that you do n't own if you do n't want to.Way to try and warp it around to something its not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do own it, you are more than welcome to not take the software update or other free services that you don't own if you don't want to.Way to try and warp it around to something its not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679298</id>
	<title>Re:Instead of Hacking....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269951360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am interested in your Time Machine technology.  Please contact me at your earliest convenience to arrange a demonstration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am interested in your Time Machine technology .
Please contact me at your earliest convenience to arrange a demonstration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am interested in your Time Machine technology.
Please contact me at your earliest convenience to arrange a demonstration.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683556</id>
	<title>Fixed it for ya..</title>
	<author>Zoidbot</author>
	<datestamp>1269976740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"legions of Microsoft shills have been leading PS3 owners into voicing their anger at Sony's decision"</p><p>Honestly nobody really cares about PS3 Linux, upto now it's been called gimped by the community.  Sony offered an olive branch, the community gave them back a fuck you.  Are you surprised it's going?</p><p>As for Geohot, how won't get custom firmware, and how long will owners be prepared to wait without PSN access?  Weeks?  Months? Years? Forever?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" legions of Microsoft shills have been leading PS3 owners into voicing their anger at Sony 's decision " Honestly nobody really cares about PS3 Linux , upto now it 's been called gimped by the community .
Sony offered an olive branch , the community gave them back a fuck you .
Are you surprised it 's going ? As for Geohot , how wo n't get custom firmware , and how long will owners be prepared to wait without PSN access ?
Weeks ? Months ?
Years ? Forever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"legions of Microsoft shills have been leading PS3 owners into voicing their anger at Sony's decision"Honestly nobody really cares about PS3 Linux, upto now it's been called gimped by the community.
Sony offered an olive branch, the community gave them back a fuck you.
Are you surprised it's going?As for Geohot, how won't get custom firmware, and how long will owners be prepared to wait without PSN access?
Weeks?  Months?
Years? Forever?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678870</id>
	<title>Re:PS2 emulation wasn't just software</title>
	<author>Bleek II</author>
	<datestamp>1269949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Opps. cut myself off. I was about to say: Though later models were just software with limited compatibility.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Opps .
cut myself off .
I was about to say : Though later models were just software with limited compatibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opps.
cut myself off.
I was about to say: Though later models were just software with limited compatibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679214</id>
	<title>I'm not usually one to defend Sony, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269950880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PS2 emulation was not a bit flipped in software.</p><p>The first PS3 models had both of the PS2's main chips (I think in the single-combined-package form they'd switched to) physically present.<br>Later PS3 models had only one of them, using Cell to emulate the other.<br>Still later PS3 models (the first US "40 gig") have neither.</p><p>There was never any PS2 emulation for that last hardware revision, and last I heard, the first two still have PS2 emulation, although the second one has sorta crappy PS2 emulation. (Yes, you can get a splash screen on nearly everything, but dont' assume that all your games can be played through without glitches.)</p><p>That said, the rest of this is crap. I guess I now have a $600 paperweight. On the other hand, it paid for itself in articles I wrote about Cell development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PS2 emulation was not a bit flipped in software.The first PS3 models had both of the PS2 's main chips ( I think in the single-combined-package form they 'd switched to ) physically present.Later PS3 models had only one of them , using Cell to emulate the other.Still later PS3 models ( the first US " 40 gig " ) have neither.There was never any PS2 emulation for that last hardware revision , and last I heard , the first two still have PS2 emulation , although the second one has sorta crappy PS2 emulation .
( Yes , you can get a splash screen on nearly everything , but dont ' assume that all your games can be played through without glitches .
) That said , the rest of this is crap .
I guess I now have a $ 600 paperweight .
On the other hand , it paid for itself in articles I wrote about Cell development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PS2 emulation was not a bit flipped in software.The first PS3 models had both of the PS2's main chips (I think in the single-combined-package form they'd switched to) physically present.Later PS3 models had only one of them, using Cell to emulate the other.Still later PS3 models (the first US "40 gig") have neither.There was never any PS2 emulation for that last hardware revision, and last I heard, the first two still have PS2 emulation, although the second one has sorta crappy PS2 emulation.
(Yes, you can get a splash screen on nearly everything, but dont' assume that all your games can be played through without glitches.
)That said, the rest of this is crap.
I guess I now have a $600 paperweight.
On the other hand, it paid for itself in articles I wrote about Cell development.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31688278</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270052520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say what? Windows comes in next? As in second?! Say what you will about Windows being the demon spawn of the satan that is Microsoft, but don't you dare say that it's more of a walled garden than Linux! Windows doesn't restrict you anymore than say linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say what ?
Windows comes in next ?
As in second ? !
Say what you will about Windows being the demon spawn of the satan that is Microsoft , but do n't you dare say that it 's more of a walled garden than Linux !
Windows does n't restrict you anymore than say linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say what?
Windows comes in next?
As in second?!
Say what you will about Windows being the demon spawn of the satan that is Microsoft, but don't you dare say that it's more of a walled garden than Linux!
Windows doesn't restrict you anymore than say linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678918</id>
	<title>Exactly.</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1269949320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't believe in walled gardens.  Right now the most open environment is Linux or one of the BSD's, Windows comes in next.  Apple I wouldn't be surprised if they brought the App Store to OS X and then finished closing everyone else out behind the approving gate.  I'm not going to beg permission to run an app, if that means I have to pay with compatibility creep then so be it: the open systems refresh every once in a while as a response to that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe in walled gardens .
Right now the most open environment is Linux or one of the BSD 's , Windows comes in next .
Apple I would n't be surprised if they brought the App Store to OS X and then finished closing everyone else out behind the approving gate .
I 'm not going to beg permission to run an app , if that means I have to pay with compatibility creep then so be it : the open systems refresh every once in a while as a response to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe in walled gardens.
Right now the most open environment is Linux or one of the BSD's, Windows comes in next.
Apple I wouldn't be surprised if they brought the App Store to OS X and then finished closing everyone else out behind the approving gate.
I'm not going to beg permission to run an app, if that means I have to pay with compatibility creep then so be it: the open systems refresh every once in a while as a response to that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684564</id>
	<title>My reply from Sony</title>
	<author>HannethCom</author>
	<datestamp>1270029420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hello ****,<br>
<br>
We apologize for any inconvenience that you may be experiencing with the removal of the Other OS feature in the next update for the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update. If you do update to the 3.21 on your PlayStation(R)3 system you will not be able to use the hard disk partitions used by the other operating system. The data saved in these partitions cannot be restored after the system software has been updated. You will need to back up all data to storage media before updating the system software. You may need to format the Hard Disc Drive to get the partition back.<br>
<br>
If you choose to not update your PS3 system you will not be able to do the following:<br>
<br>
The ability to sign in to PlayStation&#174;Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network, such as online features of PS3 games and chat.<br>
Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later.<br>
Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server (when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings).<br>
Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later.<br>
<br>
Regards,
****</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello * * * * , We apologize for any inconvenience that you may be experiencing with the removal of the Other OS feature in the next update for the PlayStation ( R ) 3 computer entertainment system .
This feature enabled users to install an operating system , but due to security concerns , Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update .
If you do update to the 3.21 on your PlayStation ( R ) 3 system you will not be able to use the hard disk partitions used by the other operating system .
The data saved in these partitions can not be restored after the system software has been updated .
You will need to back up all data to storage media before updating the system software .
You may need to format the Hard Disc Drive to get the partition back .
If you choose to not update your PS3 system you will not be able to do the following : The ability to sign in to PlayStation   Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network , such as online features of PS3 games and chat .
Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later .
Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server ( when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings ) .
Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later .
Regards , * * * *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello ****,

We apologize for any inconvenience that you may be experiencing with the removal of the Other OS feature in the next update for the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system.
This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update.
If you do update to the 3.21 on your PlayStation(R)3 system you will not be able to use the hard disk partitions used by the other operating system.
The data saved in these partitions cannot be restored after the system software has been updated.
You will need to back up all data to storage media before updating the system software.
You may need to format the Hard Disc Drive to get the partition back.
If you choose to not update your PS3 system you will not be able to do the following:

The ability to sign in to PlayStation®Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network, such as online features of PS3 games and chat.
Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later.
Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server (when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings).
Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later.
Regards,
****</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31723936</id>
	<title>Re:Still sucks for users</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1270395000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
First, Sony has to admit that they lost this round of the console wars - to inferior hardware that nevertheless met the consumers' wants.
</p><p>
Then they have to look at what they need to do to at least play serious catch-up for the next generation release in 5 years.
</p><ol>
<li>
Lose the hard drive. This is one that only Nintendo got right. They foresaw the declining price of flash memory (well, duh, who didn't??? Oh, Sony and Microsoft<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) and issued a patch for the console that allows it to access 16 gig (and maybe larger - someone would have to check) from a flash card. And we all know how easy it is to swap flash crds, so you have unlimited storage.  It's also quieter, faster, and generates less heat. This is a no-brainer.</li>
<li>
Cut the energy bill.  The PS3 uses 180 watts to play a blu-ray movie. Stand-alone blu-ray players use less than 20 watts to do the same job - and the stand-alone player also does the job quieter, and will play external media on usb cards and usb hard drives ($120 for a blu-ray player that does all that - why would I buy a PS3 to play blu-ray disks?)
So drop the blu-ray player crap. The PS3 uses more energy on stand-by doing nothing than the Wii does when playing a game.</li>
<li>
Keep backwards compatibility with PS3 games. Sure, it lets people delay getting a few new games, but it also encourages earlier adoption of the new console. The initial high price killed console adoption for years.</li>
<li>
Better controllers. The Wii not only beat everyone on this, but at initial release time they already knew they were going to release the Motion Plus a few years down the road, when component costs dropped a bit more. Those two tabs on the bottom of the original Wiimotes for the Motion Plus to lock in were there from Day One.</li>
<li>
Lose the "hard-core-gamer" "boyz-in-moms-basement" sexist image. Half the population won't even look at either the PS3 or the Xbox for themselves. Women easily justify the Wii by buying the Wii Fit.</li>
</ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , Sony has to admit that they lost this round of the console wars - to inferior hardware that nevertheless met the consumers ' wants .
Then they have to look at what they need to do to at least play serious catch-up for the next generation release in 5 years .
Lose the hard drive .
This is one that only Nintendo got right .
They foresaw the declining price of flash memory ( well , duh , who did n't ? ? ?
Oh , Sony and Microsoft ... ) and issued a patch for the console that allows it to access 16 gig ( and maybe larger - someone would have to check ) from a flash card .
And we all know how easy it is to swap flash crds , so you have unlimited storage .
It 's also quieter , faster , and generates less heat .
This is a no-brainer .
Cut the energy bill .
The PS3 uses 180 watts to play a blu-ray movie .
Stand-alone blu-ray players use less than 20 watts to do the same job - and the stand-alone player also does the job quieter , and will play external media on usb cards and usb hard drives ( $ 120 for a blu-ray player that does all that - why would I buy a PS3 to play blu-ray disks ?
) So drop the blu-ray player crap .
The PS3 uses more energy on stand-by doing nothing than the Wii does when playing a game .
Keep backwards compatibility with PS3 games .
Sure , it lets people delay getting a few new games , but it also encourages earlier adoption of the new console .
The initial high price killed console adoption for years .
Better controllers .
The Wii not only beat everyone on this , but at initial release time they already knew they were going to release the Motion Plus a few years down the road , when component costs dropped a bit more .
Those two tabs on the bottom of the original Wiimotes for the Motion Plus to lock in were there from Day One .
Lose the " hard-core-gamer " " boyz-in-moms-basement " sexist image .
Half the population wo n't even look at either the PS3 or the Xbox for themselves .
Women easily justify the Wii by buying the Wii Fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
First, Sony has to admit that they lost this round of the console wars - to inferior hardware that nevertheless met the consumers' wants.
Then they have to look at what they need to do to at least play serious catch-up for the next generation release in 5 years.
Lose the hard drive.
This is one that only Nintendo got right.
They foresaw the declining price of flash memory (well, duh, who didn't???
Oh, Sony and Microsoft ...) and issued a patch for the console that allows it to access 16 gig (and maybe larger - someone would have to check) from a flash card.
And we all know how easy it is to swap flash crds, so you have unlimited storage.
It's also quieter, faster, and generates less heat.
This is a no-brainer.
Cut the energy bill.
The PS3 uses 180 watts to play a blu-ray movie.
Stand-alone blu-ray players use less than 20 watts to do the same job - and the stand-alone player also does the job quieter, and will play external media on usb cards and usb hard drives ($120 for a blu-ray player that does all that - why would I buy a PS3 to play blu-ray disks?
)
So drop the blu-ray player crap.
The PS3 uses more energy on stand-by doing nothing than the Wii does when playing a game.
Keep backwards compatibility with PS3 games.
Sure, it lets people delay getting a few new games, but it also encourages earlier adoption of the new console.
The initial high price killed console adoption for years.
Better controllers.
The Wii not only beat everyone on this, but at initial release time they already knew they were going to release the Motion Plus a few years down the road, when component costs dropped a bit more.
Those two tabs on the bottom of the original Wiimotes for the Motion Plus to lock in were there from Day One.
Lose the "hard-core-gamer" "boyz-in-moms-basement" sexist image.
Half the population won't even look at either the PS3 or the Xbox for themselves.
Women easily justify the Wii by buying the Wii Fit.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681882</id>
	<title>Re:Exactly.</title>
	<author>MeNeXT</author>
	<datestamp>1269963600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the reason I will not purchase anything off the App store. I made a mistake and bought a broken phone. Never again. If they bring the App store to OS X I'm installing Ubuntu.</p><p>Apple lost the market back in 1983-84 they are about to repeat it once more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the reason I will not purchase anything off the App store .
I made a mistake and bought a broken phone .
Never again .
If they bring the App store to OS X I 'm installing Ubuntu.Apple lost the market back in 1983-84 they are about to repeat it once more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the reason I will not purchase anything off the App store.
I made a mistake and bought a broken phone.
Never again.
If they bring the App store to OS X I'm installing Ubuntu.Apple lost the market back in 1983-84 they are about to repeat it once more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31687622</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270050240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not good enough.  I paid for the hardware, now Sony owes me whatever I decide they owe me for the rest of my natural life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not good enough .
I paid for the hardware , now Sony owes me whatever I decide they owe me for the rest of my natural life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not good enough.
I paid for the hardware, now Sony owes me whatever I decide they owe me for the rest of my natural life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684032</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1270067640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and now is the time Sony is starting to make money for each console sold, and not just the games...</p><p>Anyhow... I'd totally forgotten I had gentoo installed on my PS3 before I thought of it, reading this article. It's not like it's much use compared to the Studio Hybrid that's running slackware and XBMC next to it in the stereo rack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and now is the time Sony is starting to make money for each console sold , and not just the games...Anyhow... I 'd totally forgotten I had gentoo installed on my PS3 before I thought of it , reading this article .
It 's not like it 's much use compared to the Studio Hybrid that 's running slackware and XBMC next to it in the stereo rack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and now is the time Sony is starting to make money for each console sold, and not just the games...Anyhow... I'd totally forgotten I had gentoo installed on my PS3 before I thought of it, reading this article.
It's not like it's much use compared to the Studio Hybrid that's running slackware and XBMC next to it in the stereo rack.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684482</id>
	<title>What are the alternatives?</title>
	<author>Sam H</author>
	<datestamp>1270028640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, if I want a Cell-powered machine that can run my software, what choices do I have now? I cannot afford an IBM blade server (the price tag is around $10,000) and there is no way Sony will let me have a Debug or Test PS3 at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if I want a Cell-powered machine that can run my software , what choices do I have now ?
I can not afford an IBM blade server ( the price tag is around $ 10,000 ) and there is no way Sony will let me have a Debug or Test PS3 at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if I want a Cell-powered machine that can run my software, what choices do I have now?
I cannot afford an IBM blade server (the price tag is around $10,000) and there is no way Sony will let me have a Debug or Test PS3 at home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682934</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Runefox</author>
	<datestamp>1269971040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it's worth mentioning that the only core available up front is a single PowerPC core, with 256MB of RAM. It's possible to expand the RAM by adding the VRAM to swap space, and to unlock some SPE's (I can't recall how many, but you aren't given access to all of them), but it's also necessary to program specifically for them; They have their own architecture.</p><p>While for computational tasks, it's fairly moot, the GPU is also entirely locked down and inaccessible. Even available screen resolutions are, as I understand it and as I recall, restricted by the hypervisor. Having tried running Xubuntu on the PS3, I can safely say that its usability is very limited. However... It's there. And it works. While not everyone benefits from the use of OtherOS, those who <i>do</i> benefit for very specific reasons.</p><p>It's very likely that this firmware update, while not entirely mandatory, will be mandatory (or at least, its descendants will be) with later games and for PSN access, much like homebrewed PSP's using older custom firmware are SOL when trying to play newer games - The user is forced between parting with the CFW or not playing the newer games at all. Personally, I'll keep my CFW - My PSP gets a huge amount of usage in homebrew apps (and really, at this point, saying that I don't pirate games would be redundant seeing as it's more or less impossible or at least incredibly impractical). Hell, Opera Mini and eBuddy Mobile on my PSP? With some apps capable of multitasking? Holy crap. I look forward to a healthy homebrew scene on the PS3, even if it takes until the console is out of production. It's easily capable of becoming an incredibly robust media centre unit, or even more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it 's worth mentioning that the only core available up front is a single PowerPC core , with 256MB of RAM .
It 's possible to expand the RAM by adding the VRAM to swap space , and to unlock some SPE 's ( I ca n't recall how many , but you are n't given access to all of them ) , but it 's also necessary to program specifically for them ; They have their own architecture.While for computational tasks , it 's fairly moot , the GPU is also entirely locked down and inaccessible .
Even available screen resolutions are , as I understand it and as I recall , restricted by the hypervisor .
Having tried running Xubuntu on the PS3 , I can safely say that its usability is very limited .
However... It 's there .
And it works .
While not everyone benefits from the use of OtherOS , those who do benefit for very specific reasons.It 's very likely that this firmware update , while not entirely mandatory , will be mandatory ( or at least , its descendants will be ) with later games and for PSN access , much like homebrewed PSP 's using older custom firmware are SOL when trying to play newer games - The user is forced between parting with the CFW or not playing the newer games at all .
Personally , I 'll keep my CFW - My PSP gets a huge amount of usage in homebrew apps ( and really , at this point , saying that I do n't pirate games would be redundant seeing as it 's more or less impossible or at least incredibly impractical ) .
Hell , Opera Mini and eBuddy Mobile on my PSP ?
With some apps capable of multitasking ?
Holy crap .
I look forward to a healthy homebrew scene on the PS3 , even if it takes until the console is out of production .
It 's easily capable of becoming an incredibly robust media centre unit , or even more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it's worth mentioning that the only core available up front is a single PowerPC core, with 256MB of RAM.
It's possible to expand the RAM by adding the VRAM to swap space, and to unlock some SPE's (I can't recall how many, but you aren't given access to all of them), but it's also necessary to program specifically for them; They have their own architecture.While for computational tasks, it's fairly moot, the GPU is also entirely locked down and inaccessible.
Even available screen resolutions are, as I understand it and as I recall, restricted by the hypervisor.
Having tried running Xubuntu on the PS3, I can safely say that its usability is very limited.
However... It's there.
And it works.
While not everyone benefits from the use of OtherOS, those who do benefit for very specific reasons.It's very likely that this firmware update, while not entirely mandatory, will be mandatory (or at least, its descendants will be) with later games and for PSN access, much like homebrewed PSP's using older custom firmware are SOL when trying to play newer games - The user is forced between parting with the CFW or not playing the newer games at all.
Personally, I'll keep my CFW - My PSP gets a huge amount of usage in homebrew apps (and really, at this point, saying that I don't pirate games would be redundant seeing as it's more or less impossible or at least incredibly impractical).
Hell, Opera Mini and eBuddy Mobile on my PSP?
With some apps capable of multitasking?
Holy crap.
I look forward to a healthy homebrew scene on the PS3, even if it takes until the console is out of production.
It's easily capable of becoming an incredibly robust media centre unit, or even more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682188</id>
	<title>So there are NO cheaters on Xbox Live?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269965400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?</p><p>I mean, last I checked, it was mostly cheaters at any level beyond the first few in Halo 2 -- mostly people exploiting things like the fact that one Xbox gets picked "at random" to be the server, but it wasn't particularly difficult to influence which one is chosen as server. I mean, without even hacking the box, you could do this as simply as resetting your router.</p><p>I'd guess that particular problem has been dealt with, but preventing cheating, even on a console, is somewhat like DRM -- you can't do it globally. The best you can do is allow dedicated servers with admins who pay attention -- something not really possible with most console games, or (apparently) most console-ish PC ports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ? I mean , last I checked , it was mostly cheaters at any level beyond the first few in Halo 2 -- mostly people exploiting things like the fact that one Xbox gets picked " at random " to be the server , but it was n't particularly difficult to influence which one is chosen as server .
I mean , without even hacking the box , you could do this as simply as resetting your router.I 'd guess that particular problem has been dealt with , but preventing cheating , even on a console , is somewhat like DRM -- you ca n't do it globally .
The best you can do is allow dedicated servers with admins who pay attention -- something not really possible with most console games , or ( apparently ) most console-ish PC ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?I mean, last I checked, it was mostly cheaters at any level beyond the first few in Halo 2 -- mostly people exploiting things like the fact that one Xbox gets picked "at random" to be the server, but it wasn't particularly difficult to influence which one is chosen as server.
I mean, without even hacking the box, you could do this as simply as resetting your router.I'd guess that particular problem has been dealt with, but preventing cheating, even on a console, is somewhat like DRM -- you can't do it globally.
The best you can do is allow dedicated servers with admins who pay attention -- something not really possible with most console games, or (apparently) most console-ish PC ports.</sentencetext>
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	<title>UK Trade Description Act: Sony pays compensation</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1270049340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just talked to some people at Trading Standards, and Sony is digging a hole if they do this.</p><p>People bought the console with a listed and documented set of features.  If Sony gives you a choice between upgrading and thus lose the "Alternative OS" feature or not upgrading and impairing access to future Bluray titles it always amounts to a "Reduction of the features as present and described at the time of purchase", for which you are entiteld to compensation.  If you're in the UK, your next step is to notify Sony that you want to be compensated either way, and do this by recorded snail mail so you have an audit trail.  Sony is likely to tell the first few to get stuffed, which is fine, because the Office of Trading Standards has now been briefed (guilty, grin), and they will welcome your complaint to take the matter further.</p><p>The second issue is that you are in principle forced to install malware under duress.  If you don't, future Bluray titles will become unavailable according to Sony - thank you for the blackmail attempt.  It means that any statement I agree to during the upgrade is invalidated as it takes place under duress, making the non-benign changes to the console illegal.  In the UK this amounts to a violation of the Computer Misuse Act, and with enough people complaining, that too will become actionable.</p><p>So, Sony, thank you very much.  You have finally ensured there will not be a single Sony made device ever pass my doorstep, because I cannot take the chance that I pay for a device (which is already priced above average) in which features may later disappear.  I hack nor pirate, yet am treated as a criminal and punished with functionality which will disappear.  I haven't got round to use that feature, but I am offended you even try.  I hope people in the UK will follow up as I have (maybe someone can post on how to take the Computer Misuse Act further?).</p><p>Summary:<br>- Trade Description Act violation<br>- Computer Misuse Act violation<br>- Several grand worth of purchases killed off without any possibility of recovery</p><p>And that's just me.  Anyone else with a creative streak?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just talked to some people at Trading Standards , and Sony is digging a hole if they do this.People bought the console with a listed and documented set of features .
If Sony gives you a choice between upgrading and thus lose the " Alternative OS " feature or not upgrading and impairing access to future Bluray titles it always amounts to a " Reduction of the features as present and described at the time of purchase " , for which you are entiteld to compensation .
If you 're in the UK , your next step is to notify Sony that you want to be compensated either way , and do this by recorded snail mail so you have an audit trail .
Sony is likely to tell the first few to get stuffed , which is fine , because the Office of Trading Standards has now been briefed ( guilty , grin ) , and they will welcome your complaint to take the matter further.The second issue is that you are in principle forced to install malware under duress .
If you do n't , future Bluray titles will become unavailable according to Sony - thank you for the blackmail attempt .
It means that any statement I agree to during the upgrade is invalidated as it takes place under duress , making the non-benign changes to the console illegal .
In the UK this amounts to a violation of the Computer Misuse Act , and with enough people complaining , that too will become actionable.So , Sony , thank you very much .
You have finally ensured there will not be a single Sony made device ever pass my doorstep , because I can not take the chance that I pay for a device ( which is already priced above average ) in which features may later disappear .
I hack nor pirate , yet am treated as a criminal and punished with functionality which will disappear .
I have n't got round to use that feature , but I am offended you even try .
I hope people in the UK will follow up as I have ( maybe someone can post on how to take the Computer Misuse Act further ?
) .Summary : - Trade Description Act violation- Computer Misuse Act violation- Several grand worth of purchases killed off without any possibility of recoveryAnd that 's just me .
Anyone else with a creative streak ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just talked to some people at Trading Standards, and Sony is digging a hole if they do this.People bought the console with a listed and documented set of features.
If Sony gives you a choice between upgrading and thus lose the "Alternative OS" feature or not upgrading and impairing access to future Bluray titles it always amounts to a "Reduction of the features as present and described at the time of purchase", for which you are entiteld to compensation.
If you're in the UK, your next step is to notify Sony that you want to be compensated either way, and do this by recorded snail mail so you have an audit trail.
Sony is likely to tell the first few to get stuffed, which is fine, because the Office of Trading Standards has now been briefed (guilty, grin), and they will welcome your complaint to take the matter further.The second issue is that you are in principle forced to install malware under duress.
If you don't, future Bluray titles will become unavailable according to Sony - thank you for the blackmail attempt.
It means that any statement I agree to during the upgrade is invalidated as it takes place under duress, making the non-benign changes to the console illegal.
In the UK this amounts to a violation of the Computer Misuse Act, and with enough people complaining, that too will become actionable.So, Sony, thank you very much.
You have finally ensured there will not be a single Sony made device ever pass my doorstep, because I cannot take the chance that I pay for a device (which is already priced above average) in which features may later disappear.
I hack nor pirate, yet am treated as a criminal and punished with functionality which will disappear.
I haven't got round to use that feature, but I am offended you even try.
I hope people in the UK will follow up as I have (maybe someone can post on how to take the Computer Misuse Act further?
).Summary:- Trade Description Act violation- Computer Misuse Act violation- Several grand worth of purchases killed off without any possibility of recoveryAnd that's just me.
Anyone else with a creative streak?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678752</id>
	<title>And Legions of other PS3 users...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>express their total disinterest and get back to playing God of War whatever.</p><p>Thanks for coming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>express their total disinterest and get back to playing God of War whatever.Thanks for coming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>express their total disinterest and get back to playing God of War whatever.Thanks for coming.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680244</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1269955260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed that the average users isn't going to care.  But don't forget that this isn't a loophole that Sony chose not to close, it's a feature that they publicised in the product they sold.  Obnoxious as Microsoft have been with the Xbox in various ways they've only increased the supported feature set (whilst plugging holes that might have enabled me to install Linux - but they were holes, not publicised features).  Once you've sold a product to people on the basis that it has a given featureset I don't think it is acceptable to actively remove features, even if they're not popular ones.  Ceasing tech support (or even patches) for an unpopular feature is more acceptable.  Or a truly optional upgrade that adds other features but removes an existing one.</p><p>The trouble with this change is that Sony are removing a feature from every Playstation out there: they're either removing OtherOS or removing PSN.  You can't keep both, whether you accept or refuse the update.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed that the average users is n't going to care .
But do n't forget that this is n't a loophole that Sony chose not to close , it 's a feature that they publicised in the product they sold .
Obnoxious as Microsoft have been with the Xbox in various ways they 've only increased the supported feature set ( whilst plugging holes that might have enabled me to install Linux - but they were holes , not publicised features ) .
Once you 've sold a product to people on the basis that it has a given featureset I do n't think it is acceptable to actively remove features , even if they 're not popular ones .
Ceasing tech support ( or even patches ) for an unpopular feature is more acceptable .
Or a truly optional upgrade that adds other features but removes an existing one.The trouble with this change is that Sony are removing a feature from every Playstation out there : they 're either removing OtherOS or removing PSN .
You ca n't keep both , whether you accept or refuse the update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed that the average users isn't going to care.
But don't forget that this isn't a loophole that Sony chose not to close, it's a feature that they publicised in the product they sold.
Obnoxious as Microsoft have been with the Xbox in various ways they've only increased the supported feature set (whilst plugging holes that might have enabled me to install Linux - but they were holes, not publicised features).
Once you've sold a product to people on the basis that it has a given featureset I don't think it is acceptable to actively remove features, even if they're not popular ones.
Ceasing tech support (or even patches) for an unpopular feature is more acceptable.
Or a truly optional upgrade that adds other features but removes an existing one.The trouble with this change is that Sony are removing a feature from every Playstation out there: they're either removing OtherOS or removing PSN.
You can't keep both, whether you accept or refuse the update.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1269962280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sony made the PS3 popular, in part by dropping the "Other OS" crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.</p></div><p>How could that have anything to do with PS3 popularity? They haven't even done it yet!!!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Sony made the PS3 popular , in part by dropping the " Other OS " crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.How could that have anything to do with PS3 popularity ?
They have n't even done it yet ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony made the PS3 popular, in part by dropping the "Other OS" crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.How could that have anything to do with PS3 popularity?
They haven't even done it yet!!
!
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	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1269954420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I can't play Metal Gear Solid 4, Super SF 4, or Valkyria Chronicles on a PC built with ITX parts"</p><p>Actually you can. Got an SDK PS3? Got the Linux-based SDK IBM offers as well that runs on a PC? Take a PS3 game, import it through the Linux SDK, rip it, write new executable, play.</p><p>Sony is clueless - the pirating of PS3 games has already been happening. Mainly by the early adopters that bought the SDK systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I ca n't play Metal Gear Solid 4 , Super SF 4 , or Valkyria Chronicles on a PC built with ITX parts " Actually you can .
Got an SDK PS3 ?
Got the Linux-based SDK IBM offers as well that runs on a PC ?
Take a PS3 game , import it through the Linux SDK , rip it , write new executable , play.Sony is clueless - the pirating of PS3 games has already been happening .
Mainly by the early adopters that bought the SDK systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I can't play Metal Gear Solid 4, Super SF 4, or Valkyria Chronicles on a PC built with ITX parts"Actually you can.
Got an SDK PS3?
Got the Linux-based SDK IBM offers as well that runs on a PC?
Take a PS3 game, import it through the Linux SDK, rip it, write new executable, play.Sony is clueless - the pirating of PS3 games has already been happening.
Mainly by the early adopters that bought the SDK systems.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Precisely. This just becomes a cat-and-mouse with Sony, and unless someone puts in a LOT of effort (hint: likely not geohot), Sony has the winning hand. Users still lose bigtime, compared to an officially supported Other OS mode.</p><p>Plus I don't even trust geohot to come up with a halfway decent solution. So far he's just stumbled through a hard to reproduce, glitchy, relatively useless hack. My guess is at BEST he'll figure out a way to chainload modified firmware, but you'll need to perform his hardware glitch attack to break into the hypervisor in the first place (every boot), which is only practical for a few people and extremely annoying to boot (pun intended).</p><p>Make no mistake people, existing Linux users are still getting screwed by this whole episode, one way or another. The only winners are geohot (media coverage, which he loves) and the pirates (if someone, geohot or not, starts releasing modified firmware, get ready to count down the days until someone else comes up with patches to enable warez).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Precisely .
This just becomes a cat-and-mouse with Sony , and unless someone puts in a LOT of effort ( hint : likely not geohot ) , Sony has the winning hand .
Users still lose bigtime , compared to an officially supported Other OS mode.Plus I do n't even trust geohot to come up with a halfway decent solution .
So far he 's just stumbled through a hard to reproduce , glitchy , relatively useless hack .
My guess is at BEST he 'll figure out a way to chainload modified firmware , but you 'll need to perform his hardware glitch attack to break into the hypervisor in the first place ( every boot ) , which is only practical for a few people and extremely annoying to boot ( pun intended ) .Make no mistake people , existing Linux users are still getting screwed by this whole episode , one way or another .
The only winners are geohot ( media coverage , which he loves ) and the pirates ( if someone , geohot or not , starts releasing modified firmware , get ready to count down the days until someone else comes up with patches to enable warez ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Precisely.
This just becomes a cat-and-mouse with Sony, and unless someone puts in a LOT of effort (hint: likely not geohot), Sony has the winning hand.
Users still lose bigtime, compared to an officially supported Other OS mode.Plus I don't even trust geohot to come up with a halfway decent solution.
So far he's just stumbled through a hard to reproduce, glitchy, relatively useless hack.
My guess is at BEST he'll figure out a way to chainload modified firmware, but you'll need to perform his hardware glitch attack to break into the hypervisor in the first place (every boot), which is only practical for a few people and extremely annoying to boot (pun intended).Make no mistake people, existing Linux users are still getting screwed by this whole episode, one way or another.
The only winners are geohot (media coverage, which he loves) and the pirates (if someone, geohot or not, starts releasing modified firmware, get ready to count down the days until someone else comes up with patches to enable warez).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:PS2 emulation was not purely software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270026840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first series of PS3s had hardware emulation for PS2 games, the second had software emulation, the third and later series had no emulation.<br>Any PS3 can run PS1 games through software emulation. (no upscaling oddly.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first series of PS3s had hardware emulation for PS2 games , the second had software emulation , the third and later series had no emulation.Any PS3 can run PS1 games through software emulation .
( no upscaling oddly .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first series of PS3s had hardware emulation for PS2 games, the second had software emulation, the third and later series had no emulation.Any PS3 can run PS1 games through software emulation.
(no upscaling oddly.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1270066080000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really, because when it breaks in the next release, or its already broken and they turned it off because it wouldn't work anyway<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... then you effectively have the exact same thing.</p><p>My guess would be that they simply didn't bother fixing whatever broke this time and decided to just stop supporting those 8 people who installed Linux on their PS3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really , because when it breaks in the next release , or its already broken and they turned it off because it would n't work anyway ... then you effectively have the exact same thing.My guess would be that they simply did n't bother fixing whatever broke this time and decided to just stop supporting those 8 people who installed Linux on their PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really, because when it breaks in the next release, or its already broken and they turned it off because it wouldn't work anyway ... then you effectively have the exact same thing.My guess would be that they simply didn't bother fixing whatever broke this time and decided to just stop supporting those 8 people who installed Linux on their PS3.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684536</id>
	<title>Sony deserves all the blame on this one</title>
	<author>HannethCom</author>
	<datestamp>1270029180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no reason to hack the PS3 other than for piracy? So the fact that they lock out some of the SPUs so that only Sony sanctioned software can benefit from the whole power of the console wouldn't also be a reason to hack it. Also I know a number of hackers that have no intention of pirating software, they hack things for the challenge.<br>
<br>
Also, this isn't hurting the pirates at all, only the customers that paid for this computer which has been turned into just a console. Sony advertised it as a computer, and even that you could install another OS. They are taking away my computer!</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no reason to hack the PS3 other than for piracy ?
So the fact that they lock out some of the SPUs so that only Sony sanctioned software can benefit from the whole power of the console would n't also be a reason to hack it .
Also I know a number of hackers that have no intention of pirating software , they hack things for the challenge .
Also , this is n't hurting the pirates at all , only the customers that paid for this computer which has been turned into just a console .
Sony advertised it as a computer , and even that you could install another OS .
They are taking away my computer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no reason to hack the PS3 other than for piracy?
So the fact that they lock out some of the SPUs so that only Sony sanctioned software can benefit from the whole power of the console wouldn't also be a reason to hack it.
Also I know a number of hackers that have no intention of pirating software, they hack things for the challenge.
Also, this isn't hurting the pirates at all, only the customers that paid for this computer which has been turned into just a console.
Sony advertised it as a computer, and even that you could install another OS.
They are taking away my computer!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt;&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.</p><p>Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations, Microsoft have been doing it for years.<br>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under <b>XP</b>. No such luck with <b>Vista</b> or <b>Windows 7</b> thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.</p></div><p>(emphasis mine)</p><p>Those are separate products.</p></div>
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<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations , Microsoft have been doing it for years.For example , I can watch Blu-ray under XP .
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor .
( emphasis mine ) Those are separate products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout its lifecycle.Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations, Microsoft have been doing it for years.For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP.
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.
(emphasis mine)Those are separate products.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31700554</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>alexo</author>
	<datestamp>1270138800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations, Microsoft have been doing it for years.<br>For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP. No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.</p></div></blockquote><p>Terrible example.<br>The fact that MS came out with Vista and Win-7 does not affect in any way the ability of <b>existing</b> Win-XP systems to play BD content.  In other words, your Win-XP system today still supports all the features that it officially supported when you bought it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations , Microsoft have been doing it for years.For example , I can watch Blu-ray under XP .
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.Terrible example.The fact that MS came out with Vista and Win-7 does not affect in any way the ability of existing Win-XP systems to play BD content .
In other words , your Win-XP system today still supports all the features that it officially supported when you bought it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Presuming youre talking about artificial limitations, Microsoft have been doing it for years.For example, I can watch Blu-ray under XP.
No such luck with Vista or Windows 7 thanks to the extra DRM and my non-hdcp monitor.Terrible example.The fact that MS came out with Vista and Win-7 does not affect in any way the ability of existing Win-XP systems to play BD content.
In other words, your Win-XP system today still supports all the features that it officially supported when you bought it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682726</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269969000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony sells slim units to the USAF in bulk with OtherOS turned on and GameOS turned off. Presumably that fork of the firmware will continue, just like you have to buy test, dev, and review systems, all with significant security issues, direct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony sells slim units to the USAF in bulk with OtherOS turned on and GameOS turned off .
Presumably that fork of the firmware will continue , just like you have to buy test , dev , and review systems , all with significant security issues , direct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony sells slim units to the USAF in bulk with OtherOS turned on and GameOS turned off.
Presumably that fork of the firmware will continue, just like you have to buy test, dev, and review systems, all with significant security issues, direct.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679482</id>
	<title>Wait, what?</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1269951960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PS3 could play SACDs? That's the first I've even heard of it having this feature. The first time I've heard of any hardware that can play them, for that matter...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PS3 could play SACDs ?
That 's the first I 've even heard of it having this feature .
The first time I 've heard of any hardware that can play them , for that matter.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PS3 could play SACDs?
That's the first I've even heard of it having this feature.
The first time I've heard of any hardware that can play them, for that matter...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685370</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Fackamato</author>
	<datestamp>1270037400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever modded this troll is not in touch with reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever modded this troll is not in touch with reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever modded this troll is not in touch with reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681354</id>
	<title>PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>J05H</author>
	<datestamp>1269960600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a member of the PS3Cluster team I would like to say that Sony's cutting off of 3rd party OSes from their platform is going to impact the Air Force, UMass Dartmouth and other organizations using PS3 hardware as massively parallel clusters for scientific computing. This goes far beyond the home-brew market.</p><p>We've been covered here before:<br>http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/17/2251232</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of the PS3Cluster team I would like to say that Sony 's cutting off of 3rd party OSes from their platform is going to impact the Air Force , UMass Dartmouth and other organizations using PS3 hardware as massively parallel clusters for scientific computing .
This goes far beyond the home-brew market.We 've been covered here before : http : //tech.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 08/12/17/2251232</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of the PS3Cluster team I would like to say that Sony's cutting off of 3rd party OSes from their platform is going to impact the Air Force, UMass Dartmouth and other organizations using PS3 hardware as massively parallel clusters for scientific computing.
This goes far beyond the home-brew market.We've been covered here before:http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/17/2251232</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31688560</id>
	<title>Posting to remove moderation mistake</title>
	<author>manekineko2</author>
	<datestamp>1270053600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Posting to remove moderation mistake</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting to remove moderation mistake</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting to remove moderation mistake</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679932</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1269954060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difference here is that the PS3 is not just losing features between generations anymore; now, Sony is deliberately removing features from PS3s that were sold with those features enabled.  I cannot personally recall Microsoft going that far, although I could be wrong here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference here is that the PS3 is not just losing features between generations anymore ; now , Sony is deliberately removing features from PS3s that were sold with those features enabled .
I can not personally recall Microsoft going that far , although I could be wrong here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference here is that the PS3 is not just losing features between generations anymore; now, Sony is deliberately removing features from PS3s that were sold with those features enabled.
I cannot personally recall Microsoft going that far, although I could be wrong here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685062</id>
	<title>Class Action Lawsuit</title>
	<author>verrol</author>
	<datestamp>1270034220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Removing a feature from a product that you have already purchased seem wrong.  Just as the ideas of companies still having some form of control how you use something you purchased, not leased.  So, is a class action lawsuit an option?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Removing a feature from a product that you have already purchased seem wrong .
Just as the ideas of companies still having some form of control how you use something you purchased , not leased .
So , is a class action lawsuit an option ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Removing a feature from a product that you have already purchased seem wrong.
Just as the ideas of companies still having some form of control how you use something you purchased, not leased.
So, is a class action lawsuit an option?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678808</id>
	<title>April 1st release... c'mon guys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm hoping i can point this out early enough, but the slated released date for this patch is april 1st.<br>Talk about one of the most successful trolls on the internet today, sony generated a TON of nerd rage on this stunt, it's rather hilarious.</p><p>I'll also say that many news stories about this pointed out the obvious fact that it conflicts with a recent statement that sony supports this feature and will continue to preserve it, it seems a fairly obvious april fools joke.</p><p>Just saying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm hoping i can point this out early enough , but the slated released date for this patch is april 1st.Talk about one of the most successful trolls on the internet today , sony generated a TON of nerd rage on this stunt , it 's rather hilarious.I 'll also say that many news stories about this pointed out the obvious fact that it conflicts with a recent statement that sony supports this feature and will continue to preserve it , it seems a fairly obvious april fools joke.Just saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm hoping i can point this out early enough, but the slated released date for this patch is april 1st.Talk about one of the most successful trolls on the internet today, sony generated a TON of nerd rage on this stunt, it's rather hilarious.I'll also say that many news stories about this pointed out the obvious fact that it conflicts with a recent statement that sony supports this feature and will continue to preserve it, it seems a fairly obvious april fools joke.Just saying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31693280</id>
	<title>Re:First DUH!!</title>
	<author>thtrgremlin</author>
	<datestamp>1270029360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As excited as I was to hear that the PS3 was going to Linux, and it coming out with some really awesome games, I did not forget for a moment that it was still Sony. Learned a long time ago, "Don't Trust Sony!". Sony has done too many really bizarre things (I'll just leave it at that) for me to EVER buy another product from them.<br> <br>Nothing against anyone that doesn't feel the same way, just grateful I am not part of this mess, or the slightest bit surprised it happened.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As excited as I was to hear that the PS3 was going to Linux , and it coming out with some really awesome games , I did not forget for a moment that it was still Sony .
Learned a long time ago , " Do n't Trust Sony ! " .
Sony has done too many really bizarre things ( I 'll just leave it at that ) for me to EVER buy another product from them .
Nothing against anyone that does n't feel the same way , just grateful I am not part of this mess , or the slightest bit surprised it happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As excited as I was to hear that the PS3 was going to Linux, and it coming out with some really awesome games, I did not forget for a moment that it was still Sony.
Learned a long time ago, "Don't Trust Sony!".
Sony has done too many really bizarre things (I'll just leave it at that) for me to EVER buy another product from them.
Nothing against anyone that doesn't feel the same way, just grateful I am not part of this mess, or the slightest bit surprised it happened.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680446</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269956100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The amount of different organizations buying ps3 for research is staggering. So don't think this won't effect their bottom line. US Army buys them in bulk lots of 1000-2000 at a time. The air force etc. Total number of ps3 sales from research per year is probably huge all though I cannot track down an actual percentage of sales.  As a society interested in progressing... I wonder if this will impact projects like the folding protein project. It uses the public as a mass supercomputer (like the SETI @ home project) on ps3's. This is a sad day for science if that's the case.<br>http://news.cnet.com/PS3-power-requested-for-research-project/2100-11393\_3-6167491.html</htmltext>
<tokenext>The amount of different organizations buying ps3 for research is staggering .
So do n't think this wo n't effect their bottom line .
US Army buys them in bulk lots of 1000-2000 at a time .
The air force etc .
Total number of ps3 sales from research per year is probably huge all though I can not track down an actual percentage of sales .
As a society interested in progressing... I wonder if this will impact projects like the folding protein project .
It uses the public as a mass supercomputer ( like the SETI @ home project ) on ps3 's .
This is a sad day for science if that 's the case.http : //news.cnet.com/PS3-power-requested-for-research-project/2100-11393 \ _3-6167491.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The amount of different organizations buying ps3 for research is staggering.
So don't think this won't effect their bottom line.
US Army buys them in bulk lots of 1000-2000 at a time.
The air force etc.
Total number of ps3 sales from research per year is probably huge all though I cannot track down an actual percentage of sales.
As a society interested in progressing... I wonder if this will impact projects like the folding protein project.
It uses the public as a mass supercomputer (like the SETI @ home project) on ps3's.
This is a sad day for science if that's the case.http://news.cnet.com/PS3-power-requested-for-research-project/2100-11393\_3-6167491.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682732</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1269969120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As a member of the PS3Cluster team I would like to say that Sony's cutting off of 3rd party OSes from their platform is going to impact the Air Force, UMass Dartmouth and other organizations using PS3 hardware as massively parallel clusters for scientific computing.</i></p><p>Maybe if you took the cluster down at night for some gaming.  Otherwise no, there is no reason for you to touch the firmware you are using.</p><p>And if you are playing games on the air force ps3 cluster at night..  awesome!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of the PS3Cluster team I would like to say that Sony 's cutting off of 3rd party OSes from their platform is going to impact the Air Force , UMass Dartmouth and other organizations using PS3 hardware as massively parallel clusters for scientific computing.Maybe if you took the cluster down at night for some gaming .
Otherwise no , there is no reason for you to touch the firmware you are using.And if you are playing games on the air force ps3 cluster at night.. awesome !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of the PS3Cluster team I would like to say that Sony's cutting off of 3rd party OSes from their platform is going to impact the Air Force, UMass Dartmouth and other organizations using PS3 hardware as massively parallel clusters for scientific computing.Maybe if you took the cluster down at night for some gaming.
Otherwise no, there is no reason for you to touch the firmware you are using.And if you are playing games on the air force ps3 cluster at night..  awesome!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679114</id>
	<title>Re:Sony is the new Apple.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269950220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are becoming? Are you new to the scene or have you been ignoring the past twenty years of Sony tech? Sony and Nintendo walk hand in hand to the prom as the King and Queen of Overbearing Control Freaks who punish their customers left and right for committing the sins of daring to use their products in an unauthorized manner.</p><p>Remember the Memory Stick? The DAT? The MiniDisc? BetaMax? ATRAC? UMD?</p><p>Anyone buying a PS3 thinking they were entering into a relationship with a company that was open and responsive to it's customers needs over it's own desire to control the 'experience' was either born yesterday or operating on blind faith.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are becoming ?
Are you new to the scene or have you been ignoring the past twenty years of Sony tech ?
Sony and Nintendo walk hand in hand to the prom as the King and Queen of Overbearing Control Freaks who punish their customers left and right for committing the sins of daring to use their products in an unauthorized manner.Remember the Memory Stick ?
The DAT ?
The MiniDisc ?
BetaMax ? ATRAC ?
UMD ? Anyone buying a PS3 thinking they were entering into a relationship with a company that was open and responsive to it 's customers needs over it 's own desire to control the 'experience ' was either born yesterday or operating on blind faith .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are becoming?
Are you new to the scene or have you been ignoring the past twenty years of Sony tech?
Sony and Nintendo walk hand in hand to the prom as the King and Queen of Overbearing Control Freaks who punish their customers left and right for committing the sins of daring to use their products in an unauthorized manner.Remember the Memory Stick?
The DAT?
The MiniDisc?
BetaMax? ATRAC?
UMD?Anyone buying a PS3 thinking they were entering into a relationship with a company that was open and responsive to it's customers needs over it's own desire to control the 'experience' was either born yesterday or operating on blind faith.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685806</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270041240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont understand on what grounds you would be banned from the Gaming Network,  most hacks in other consoles have lead to an unfair advantage or pirating of the games themselves.  Last time i checked Linux was free software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont understand on what grounds you would be banned from the Gaming Network , most hacks in other consoles have lead to an unfair advantage or pirating of the games themselves .
Last time i checked Linux was free software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont understand on what grounds you would be banned from the Gaming Network,  most hacks in other consoles have lead to an unfair advantage or pirating of the games themselves.
Last time i checked Linux was free software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31704542</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270144500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's your point? As long as you use the same product (XP), you can still play Blu-ray movies. Not so with this update on PS3.<br>You can no longer watch new Blu-ray movies if you don't update to FW 3.21. This is taking away the feature from an already purchased product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's your point ?
As long as you use the same product ( XP ) , you can still play Blu-ray movies .
Not so with this update on PS3.You can no longer watch new Blu-ray movies if you do n't update to FW 3.21 .
This is taking away the feature from an already purchased product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's your point?
As long as you use the same product (XP), you can still play Blu-ray movies.
Not so with this update on PS3.You can no longer watch new Blu-ray movies if you don't update to FW 3.21.
This is taking away the feature from an already purchased product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679124</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1269950280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user.  The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it...</p></div><p>There is a difference between not supporting it, and forbidding it.  And while the people doing it, are a minority, they are a vocal minority of early adopters.  Ya know...  The folks that made it popular in the first place.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user .
The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there 's no reason for Sony to continue to support it...There is a difference between not supporting it , and forbidding it .
And while the people doing it , are a minority , they are a vocal minority of early adopters .
Ya know... The folks that made it popular in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the way that slashdot geeks think that they are the average user.
The number of linux installs on PS3 is so small that there's no reason for Sony to continue to support it...There is a difference between not supporting it, and forbidding it.
And while the people doing it, are a minority, they are a vocal minority of early adopters.
Ya know...  The folks that made it popular in the first place.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31683008</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269971580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates?  So the development team can play after office hours?</p><p>The only impact would be replacing the hardware, but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes, so if that is a problem, shouldn't it have been happening already?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates ?
So the development team can play after office hours ? The only impact would be replacing the hardware , but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes , so if that is a problem , should n't it have been happening already ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates?
So the development team can play after office hours?The only impact would be replacing the hardware, but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes, so if that is a problem, shouldn't it have been happening already?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678848</id>
	<title>PS2 emulation wasn't just software</title>
	<author>Bleek II</author>
	<datestamp>1269949020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first Gen PS3s had PS2 hardware in them so that wasn't just a software switch. Though la</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first Gen PS3s had PS2 hardware in them so that was n't just a software switch .
Though la</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first Gen PS3s had PS2 hardware in them so that wasn't just a software switch.
Though la</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685090</id>
	<title>Letter to Sony</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1270034700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Sony, if an update to my machine will disable the "install other OS" feature in my PS/3 I will guarantee you that I will have it reported to every possible authority that I can think off and ensure it is followed up.</p><p>For a start, IT IS A DOCUMENTED FACILITY.  It's on the manual, and I will make pictures of "before" and "after".  This means it's something I paid for.  Removing it without my permission is (a) theft and (b) a violation of trade description - you can't take something away which has influenced my decision to buy without expecting this to have repercussions.  It would be equivalent to selling me a full stereo set and take away the speakers after I bought it so I'd have to spend extra money to buy those.</p><p>Secondly, YOU CANNOT FORCE MY COMPLIANCE.  If you make acceptance of a trade description violation dependent on, well, a trade description violation (the device should be capable of Bluray playback even with the new code you plan to implement) you will lose double.  The sort of coercion is AFAIK illegal in most countries.</p><p>So, here's your one and only warning: if I either find the facility gone, or find me unable to play a Bluray disc you WILL be facing the music, if you pardon the pun.</p><p>Oh, FYI, I don't use the feature, this is a matter of principle.  It would be rather nice if Sony for once thought about the *customer* before doing things.  I accept that is a wholly novel and far too innovative concept for Sony, but believe me, the pain is worth it.  That's what made the Nintendo Wii such a hit.  Learn from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Sony , if an update to my machine will disable the " install other OS " feature in my PS/3 I will guarantee you that I will have it reported to every possible authority that I can think off and ensure it is followed up.For a start , IT IS A DOCUMENTED FACILITY .
It 's on the manual , and I will make pictures of " before " and " after " .
This means it 's something I paid for .
Removing it without my permission is ( a ) theft and ( b ) a violation of trade description - you ca n't take something away which has influenced my decision to buy without expecting this to have repercussions .
It would be equivalent to selling me a full stereo set and take away the speakers after I bought it so I 'd have to spend extra money to buy those.Secondly , YOU CAN NOT FORCE MY COMPLIANCE .
If you make acceptance of a trade description violation dependent on , well , a trade description violation ( the device should be capable of Bluray playback even with the new code you plan to implement ) you will lose double .
The sort of coercion is AFAIK illegal in most countries.So , here 's your one and only warning : if I either find the facility gone , or find me unable to play a Bluray disc you WILL be facing the music , if you pardon the pun.Oh , FYI , I do n't use the feature , this is a matter of principle .
It would be rather nice if Sony for once thought about the * customer * before doing things .
I accept that is a wholly novel and far too innovative concept for Sony , but believe me , the pain is worth it .
That 's what made the Nintendo Wii such a hit .
Learn from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Sony, if an update to my machine will disable the "install other OS" feature in my PS/3 I will guarantee you that I will have it reported to every possible authority that I can think off and ensure it is followed up.For a start, IT IS A DOCUMENTED FACILITY.
It's on the manual, and I will make pictures of "before" and "after".
This means it's something I paid for.
Removing it without my permission is (a) theft and (b) a violation of trade description - you can't take something away which has influenced my decision to buy without expecting this to have repercussions.
It would be equivalent to selling me a full stereo set and take away the speakers after I bought it so I'd have to spend extra money to buy those.Secondly, YOU CANNOT FORCE MY COMPLIANCE.
If you make acceptance of a trade description violation dependent on, well, a trade description violation (the device should be capable of Bluray playback even with the new code you plan to implement) you will lose double.
The sort of coercion is AFAIK illegal in most countries.So, here's your one and only warning: if I either find the facility gone, or find me unable to play a Bluray disc you WILL be facing the music, if you pardon the pun.Oh, FYI, I don't use the feature, this is a matter of principle.
It would be rather nice if Sony for once thought about the *customer* before doing things.
I accept that is a wholly novel and far too innovative concept for Sony, but believe me, the pain is worth it.
That's what made the Nintendo Wii such a hit.
Learn from it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686996</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>snillfisk</author>
	<datestamp>1270047720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, we certainly know how the PS3 got popular because of its ability to install Linux and from the recommendations from the people doing just that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , we certainly know how the PS3 got popular because of its ability to install Linux and from the recommendations from the people doing just that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, we certainly know how the PS3 got popular because of its ability to install Linux and from the recommendations from the people doing just that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31685870</id>
	<title>Re:Letter to Sony</title>
	<author>blowfly7012</author>
	<datestamp>1270041660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In UK and EU law, EULAs cannot override the statutory rights of consumers enshrined in law. Lots of people (including myself) bought a PS3 to play games and install Linux. Both were advertised features at the time. Sony shouldn't be able to hold either one of them to ransom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In UK and EU law , EULAs can not override the statutory rights of consumers enshrined in law .
Lots of people ( including myself ) bought a PS3 to play games and install Linux .
Both were advertised features at the time .
Sony should n't be able to hold either one of them to ransom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In UK and EU law, EULAs cannot override the statutory rights of consumers enshrined in law.
Lots of people (including myself) bought a PS3 to play games and install Linux.
Both were advertised features at the time.
Sony shouldn't be able to hold either one of them to ransom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31704306</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270139280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can't, as Geohot may be able to extract all the private keys needed to prevent users from faking their identitiy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't , as Geohot may be able to extract all the private keys needed to prevent users from faking their identitiy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't, as Geohot may be able to extract all the private keys needed to prevent users from faking their identitiy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31704518</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270143960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just a game console. It's a Computer Entertainment System. Now that the Other OS feature is removed it should be known as "Entertainment System".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just a game console .
It 's a Computer Entertainment System .
Now that the Other OS feature is removed it should be known as " Entertainment System " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just a game console.
It's a Computer Entertainment System.
Now that the Other OS feature is removed it should be known as "Entertainment System".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31690940</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>theaceoffire</author>
	<datestamp>1270063740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.</p></div><p>Yet many people will use DRM'ed music and videos on an OS that will start locking down if it thinks you are shady... they buy games that need to be online constantly or will refuse to run...

Honestly, there is much less DRM and restrictions on a console than a Computer. You can just pop in a game and play, while the computer comes with keys, agreements, software that scans for cheating, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console... I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.Yet many people will use DRM'ed music and videos on an OS that will start locking down if it thinks you are shady... they buy games that need to be online constantly or will refuse to run.. . Honestly , there is much less DRM and restrictions on a console than a Computer .
You can just pop in a game and play , while the computer comes with keys , agreements , software that scans for cheating , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And people still ask why I refuse to buy a console...  I just will not buy hardware I am not allowed to own.Yet many people will use DRM'ed music and videos on an OS that will start locking down if it thinks you are shady... they buy games that need to be online constantly or will refuse to run...

Honestly, there is much less DRM and restrictions on a console than a Computer.
You can just pop in a game and play, while the computer comes with keys, agreements, software that scans for cheating, etc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684526</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>Zelgadiss</author>
	<datestamp>1270029120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> One of the ways that piracy hacks come to be is people hacking the hardware to install Linux or some other random thing</p></div><p>They allowed other OSes on their system, and look where that got them.<br>Some hacker decide to exploit that feature to root the box, putting their revenue source via games at risk, potentially screwing up their attempt to get back in the black.</p><p>Not to mention Sony will get a very bad rep if the PS3 ended up a good way to ripe Blurays.</p><p>PS:mod me down if you want, I'm just saying what's on my mind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the ways that piracy hacks come to be is people hacking the hardware to install Linux or some other random thingThey allowed other OSes on their system , and look where that got them.Some hacker decide to exploit that feature to root the box , putting their revenue source via games at risk , potentially screwing up their attempt to get back in the black.Not to mention Sony will get a very bad rep if the PS3 ended up a good way to ripe Blurays.PS : mod me down if you want , I 'm just saying what 's on my mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> One of the ways that piracy hacks come to be is people hacking the hardware to install Linux or some other random thingThey allowed other OSes on their system, and look where that got them.Some hacker decide to exploit that feature to root the box, putting their revenue source via games at risk, potentially screwing up their attempt to get back in the black.Not to mention Sony will get a very bad rep if the PS3 ended up a good way to ripe Blurays.PS:mod me down if you want, I'm just saying what's on my mind.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31693508</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>thtrgremlin</author>
	<datestamp>1270030320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a respect, the last free (libre) computer was the Apple IIe. Since then more and more parts of the computer have become hidden behind proprietary closed source firmware. Of course the trade off is that software can no longer be used to damage hardware because components will only do certain tasks for which it was designed compared to the days when a malicious coder could cause serious physical damage to the computer and possibly the user. I think most of us are happy those days are gone.<br> <br>BUT, I sympathize completely. There is a balance and Sony puts Software Freedom a lower priority than the long desired one-touch "deliver me a pizza" button on every new controller.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a respect , the last free ( libre ) computer was the Apple IIe .
Since then more and more parts of the computer have become hidden behind proprietary closed source firmware .
Of course the trade off is that software can no longer be used to damage hardware because components will only do certain tasks for which it was designed compared to the days when a malicious coder could cause serious physical damage to the computer and possibly the user .
I think most of us are happy those days are gone .
BUT , I sympathize completely .
There is a balance and Sony puts Software Freedom a lower priority than the long desired one-touch " deliver me a pizza " button on every new controller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a respect, the last free (libre) computer was the Apple IIe.
Since then more and more parts of the computer have become hidden behind proprietary closed source firmware.
Of course the trade off is that software can no longer be used to damage hardware because components will only do certain tasks for which it was designed compared to the days when a malicious coder could cause serious physical damage to the computer and possibly the user.
I think most of us are happy those days are gone.
BUT, I sympathize completely.
There is a balance and Sony puts Software Freedom a lower priority than the long desired one-touch "deliver me a pizza" button on every new controller.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679166</id>
	<title>Re:April 1st release... c'mon guys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269950580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not take the opportunity this April 1st to piss off some of your customers?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...profit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not take the opportunity this April 1st to piss off some of your customers ?
...profit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not take the opportunity this April 1st to piss off some of your customers?
...profit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684844</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1270031880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, fair enough, but do you refuse to buy a console?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , fair enough , but do you refuse to buy a console ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, fair enough, but do you refuse to buy a console?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679004</id>
	<title>Re:PS2 emulation wasn't just software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The first Gen PS3s had PS2 hardware in them so that wasn't just a software switch. Though la</p></div><p>Not according to Geohot he has said in his blog that the PS2 emulation is in the software and that he was gonna prove it.  Given his creditability I tend to believe him.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first Gen PS3s had PS2 hardware in them so that was n't just a software switch .
Though laNot according to Geohot he has said in his blog that the PS2 emulation is in the software and that he was gon na prove it .
Given his creditability I tend to believe him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first Gen PS3s had PS2 hardware in them so that wasn't just a software switch.
Though laNot according to Geohot he has said in his blog that the PS2 emulation is in the software and that he was gonna prove it.
Given his creditability I tend to believe him.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686104</id>
	<title>Re:PS2 emulation was not purely software</title>
	<author>Dorkmaster Flek</author>
	<datestamp>1270043100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact is it's still a feature that was removed.  You can blame Sony for making their console architecture so damn complicated that it's a PITA for them to emulate it in software on the machine, which is exactly what the 360 does with Xbox games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact is it 's still a feature that was removed .
You can blame Sony for making their console architecture so damn complicated that it 's a PITA for them to emulate it in software on the machine , which is exactly what the 360 does with Xbox games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact is it's still a feature that was removed.
You can blame Sony for making their console architecture so damn complicated that it's a PITA for them to emulate it in software on the machine, which is exactly what the 360 does with Xbox games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679948</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269954120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  Has he never seen Windows? Microsoft's whole shtick is to remove features you want and use, and replace them with stuff you don't want and won't ever use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Has he never seen Windows ?
Microsoft 's whole shtick is to remove features you want and use , and replace them with stuff you do n't want and wo n't ever use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Has he never seen Windows?
Microsoft's whole shtick is to remove features you want and use, and replace them with stuff you don't want and won't ever use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31681218</id>
	<title>Call Sony to voice your concerns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269960060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First they came for my Linux...
<br> <br>
I called Sony to voice my concerns today and informed them that I would not continue to support their PSN, even if this is a hoax.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First they came for my Linux.. . I called Sony to voice my concerns today and informed them that I would not continue to support their PSN , even if this is a hoax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they came for my Linux...
 
I called Sony to voice my concerns today and informed them that I would not continue to support their PSN, even if this is a hoax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31678786</id>
	<title>Still sucks for users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Legitimate PS3 Linux users will now have to void their warranty by installing unauthorized software, not to mention it'll become a cat-and-mouse game with Sony, and people who do update will likely be screwed. This is not a solution.</p><p>As much as geohot can try to make up for his massive fuckup, the only solution is for Sony to backtrack on their update. And geohot needs to stop playing world savior and issue a massive public apology for triggering Sony's action while so far offering nothing at all of value to current PS3 owners. Even if he does manage to release a modified firmware, it's still a huge step back for existing PS3 owners who use Other OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Legitimate PS3 Linux users will now have to void their warranty by installing unauthorized software , not to mention it 'll become a cat-and-mouse game with Sony , and people who do update will likely be screwed .
This is not a solution.As much as geohot can try to make up for his massive fuckup , the only solution is for Sony to backtrack on their update .
And geohot needs to stop playing world savior and issue a massive public apology for triggering Sony 's action while so far offering nothing at all of value to current PS3 owners .
Even if he does manage to release a modified firmware , it 's still a huge step back for existing PS3 owners who use Other OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Legitimate PS3 Linux users will now have to void their warranty by installing unauthorized software, not to mention it'll become a cat-and-mouse game with Sony, and people who do update will likely be screwed.
This is not a solution.As much as geohot can try to make up for his massive fuckup, the only solution is for Sony to backtrack on their update.
And geohot needs to stop playing world savior and issue a massive public apology for triggering Sony's action while so far offering nothing at all of value to current PS3 owners.
Even if he does manage to release a modified firmware, it's still a huge step back for existing PS3 owners who use Other OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679162</id>
	<title>"Tethered" PS3 Crack?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269950520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if this PS3 crack of his will involve connecting your PS3 to a PC, and rerunning the crack, every time you reboot it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if this PS3 crack of his will involve connecting your PS3 to a PC , and rerunning the crack , every time you reboot it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if this PS3 crack of his will involve connecting your PS3 to a PC, and rerunning the crack, every time you reboot it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31691690</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1270066620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And a matter of time before its patched<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you want to continue using the hack you're not going to be able to update your firmware as they'll certainly fix it each time around<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Whats the end result ?  Same as now, if you want to use Linux just don't upgrade.  Its not rocket science really, its just common sense.</p><p>It will certainly make hacking at it more difficult so they accomplish what they want, less hassle with hackers and less work maintaining the OtherOS option.</p><p>The only boneheads are the idiots who think taking the OtherOS option out is going to affect more than a handful of people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And a matter of time before its patched ... if you want to continue using the hack you 're not going to be able to update your firmware as they 'll certainly fix it each time around ...Whats the end result ?
Same as now , if you want to use Linux just do n't upgrade .
Its not rocket science really , its just common sense.It will certainly make hacking at it more difficult so they accomplish what they want , less hassle with hackers and less work maintaining the OtherOS option.The only boneheads are the idiots who think taking the OtherOS option out is going to affect more than a handful of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And a matter of time before its patched ... if you want to continue using the hack you're not going to be able to update your firmware as they'll certainly fix it each time around ...Whats the end result ?
Same as now, if you want to use Linux just don't upgrade.
Its not rocket science really, its just common sense.It will certainly make hacking at it more difficult so they accomplish what they want, less hassle with hackers and less work maintaining the OtherOS option.The only boneheads are the idiots who think taking the OtherOS option out is going to affect more than a handful of people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680264</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this even an issue?</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1269955440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?  More evil than DeBeers, Walmart, Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, GM, Whole Foods, Microsoft and Verizon(or $telco\_here)?</p><p>Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds, worker exploitation, war profiteering, building unsafe cars, soaking the general consumer, releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week?</p><p>Really?  evil?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
More evil than DeBeers , Walmart , Halliburton , Xe/Blackwater , GM , Whole Foods , Microsoft and Verizon ( or $ telco \ _here ) ? Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds , worker exploitation , war profiteering , building unsafe cars , soaking the general consumer , releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week ? Really ?
evil ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
More evil than DeBeers, Walmart, Halliburton, Xe/Blackwater, GM, Whole Foods, Microsoft and Verizon(or $telco\_here)?Taking away Linux support is worse than blood diamonds, worker exploitation, war profiteering, building unsafe cars, soaking the general consumer, releasing Windows/IE/Microsoft BOB/SkiFree or whatever the hell telcos have done this week?Really?
evil?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31684246</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270026600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, people don't ask you why you refuse to buy a console, nobody cares. It's you who can't stop yourself from bringing it up whenever someone happens to mention a new game they bought for their kid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , people do n't ask you why you refuse to buy a console , nobody cares .
It 's you who ca n't stop yourself from bringing it up whenever someone happens to mention a new game they bought for their kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, people don't ask you why you refuse to buy a console, nobody cares.
It's you who can't stop yourself from bringing it up whenever someone happens to mention a new game they bought for their kid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679094</id>
	<title>Re:April 1st release... c'mon guys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269950160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a Video Game that I produced announced by Sony last year on April 1st.<br>Corporations don't care what this means other than money and quarterly dates.<br>Took a while for it to filter through that our game wasn't actually a joke. But Sony doesn't care about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a Video Game that I produced announced by Sony last year on April 1st.Corporations do n't care what this means other than money and quarterly dates.Took a while for it to filter through that our game was n't actually a joke .
But Sony does n't care about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a Video Game that I produced announced by Sony last year on April 1st.Corporations don't care what this means other than money and quarterly dates.Took a while for it to filter through that our game wasn't actually a joke.
But Sony doesn't care about that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31682486</id>
	<title>Re:Its not just sony</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1269967140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some <a href="http://mako.cc/" title="mako.cc">people</a> [mako.cc] call this an <a href="http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2007/fall/antifeatures/" title="fsf.org">antifeature</a> [fsf.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people [ mako.cc ] call this an antifeature [ fsf.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people [mako.cc] call this an antifeature [fsf.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31679674</id>
	<title>Why is this even an issue?</title>
	<author>NitroWolf</author>
	<datestamp>1269952860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously... why is this even an issue?  Why do you assholes that have a problem with this continue to buy Sony products?</p><p>Sony has shown, time and again, that they care not one whit about their customers.  They will screw them in any possible way they can to make more money out of them.  They have no regard for their customers, their customers privacy, their customers equipment, etc...  You dumb bastards that bought a PS3 deserve everything you get, because you KNEW ahead of time that Sony was one of the worst, most evil companies out there.  There were already countless and recent examples of their total disregard for anything consumer rights related and yet you went ahead and bought yet ANOTHER Sony product.</p><p>Yes, you get exactly what you deserve and there should be no sympathy for you idiots.  If you keep putting your hand into a crocodiles mouth and then wonder why your hand got bitten off, even after the guy next to you lost his whole arm and hundreds of thousands of people are screaming at you not to do it, then you are just stupid and Darwin needs to pay you a visit.  In this case, you are just stupid for supporting Sony and Electronic Darwin needs to pay you a visit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously... why is this even an issue ?
Why do you assholes that have a problem with this continue to buy Sony products ? Sony has shown , time and again , that they care not one whit about their customers .
They will screw them in any possible way they can to make more money out of them .
They have no regard for their customers , their customers privacy , their customers equipment , etc... You dumb bastards that bought a PS3 deserve everything you get , because you KNEW ahead of time that Sony was one of the worst , most evil companies out there .
There were already countless and recent examples of their total disregard for anything consumer rights related and yet you went ahead and bought yet ANOTHER Sony product.Yes , you get exactly what you deserve and there should be no sympathy for you idiots .
If you keep putting your hand into a crocodiles mouth and then wonder why your hand got bitten off , even after the guy next to you lost his whole arm and hundreds of thousands of people are screaming at you not to do it , then you are just stupid and Darwin needs to pay you a visit .
In this case , you are just stupid for supporting Sony and Electronic Darwin needs to pay you a visit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously... why is this even an issue?
Why do you assholes that have a problem with this continue to buy Sony products?Sony has shown, time and again, that they care not one whit about their customers.
They will screw them in any possible way they can to make more money out of them.
They have no regard for their customers, their customers privacy, their customers equipment, etc...  You dumb bastards that bought a PS3 deserve everything you get, because you KNEW ahead of time that Sony was one of the worst, most evil companies out there.
There were already countless and recent examples of their total disregard for anything consumer rights related and yet you went ahead and bought yet ANOTHER Sony product.Yes, you get exactly what you deserve and there should be no sympathy for you idiots.
If you keep putting your hand into a crocodiles mouth and then wonder why your hand got bitten off, even after the guy next to you lost his whole arm and hundreds of thousands of people are screaming at you not to do it, then you are just stupid and Darwin needs to pay you a visit.
In this case, you are just stupid for supporting Sony and Electronic Darwin needs to pay you a visit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680822</id>
	<title>Re:Heh</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1269958020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Linux geeks have never, in the history of the universe, made anything popular.  Sony made the PS3 popular, in part by dropping the "Other OS" crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.  Cause ya know... it's a game console.</p></div><p>Yep...  No one comes to slashdot.  It is just a backwater on the Internet...

The PS3 was a hit because it did everything.  Game player, BluRay player, Linux box, media box...  Now it is still the first 2.  (Arguably the 4th as well, but not with XBMC)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux geeks have never , in the history of the universe , made anything popular .
Sony made the PS3 popular , in part by dropping the " Other OS " crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door .
Cause ya know... it 's a game console.Yep... No one comes to slashdot .
It is just a backwater on the Internet.. . The PS3 was a hit because it did everything .
Game player , BluRay player , Linux box , media box... Now it is still the first 2 .
( Arguably the 4th as well , but not with XBMC )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux geeks have never, in the history of the universe, made anything popular.
Sony made the PS3 popular, in part by dropping the "Other OS" crap on the floor and concentrating on getting games out the door.
Cause ya know... it's a game console.Yep...  No one comes to slashdot.
It is just a backwater on the Internet...

The PS3 was a hit because it did everything.
Game player, BluRay player, Linux box, media box...  Now it is still the first 2.
(Arguably the 4th as well, but not with XBMC)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31680764</id>
	<title>Re:And Sony will respond by...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269957720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Cheaters can be taken care of by sticking with servers with good admins. Well, unless you play something like CoD2, I mean, <i>consolized</i>-games. I don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Cheaters can be taken care of by sticking with servers with good admins .
Well , unless you play something like CoD2 , I mean , consolized-games .
I do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Cheaters can be taken care of by sticking with servers with good admins.
Well, unless you play something like CoD2, I mean, consolized-games.
I don't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31686304</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 Cluster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270044300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it make sense then that it's YOUR fault they are getting rid of other OS support? As they lose money on console hardware sales because they make it back with games sales (game console business model for Sony and Microsoft for a long time now). So if you go and buy 50000 PS3's for your cluster (because it's the cheapest solution to your cluster computing needs) and say Sony only loses $1 per console (ridiculously underestimated) then they now have 50,000 reasons to try to stop this function from existing.</p><p>I'm glad they're dropping this feature, just because it gives me a smile to see you lose your free lunch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it make sense then that it 's YOUR fault they are getting rid of other OS support ?
As they lose money on console hardware sales because they make it back with games sales ( game console business model for Sony and Microsoft for a long time now ) .
So if you go and buy 50000 PS3 's for your cluster ( because it 's the cheapest solution to your cluster computing needs ) and say Sony only loses $ 1 per console ( ridiculously underestimated ) then they now have 50,000 reasons to try to stop this function from existing.I 'm glad they 're dropping this feature , just because it gives me a smile to see you lose your free lunch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it make sense then that it's YOUR fault they are getting rid of other OS support?
As they lose money on console hardware sales because they make it back with games sales (game console business model for Sony and Microsoft for a long time now).
So if you go and buy 50000 PS3's for your cluster (because it's the cheapest solution to your cluster computing needs) and say Sony only loses $1 per console (ridiculously underestimated) then they now have 50,000 reasons to try to stop this function from existing.I'm glad they're dropping this feature, just because it gives me a smile to see you lose your free lunch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_2151257.31700574</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this even an issue?</title>
	<author>fremean</author>
	<datestamp>1270139040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never been a fan of consoles, I've never been a fan of Sony - I bought one console since the days of the Sega Megadrive (Genesis for some of you), the PS3, because it offered the freedom of Linux.</p><p>In fact, out side of that console, and the 5 or so games, and one blu-ray movie I own, I don't think I've ever bought another Sony product.</p><p>Now you can be sure until the end of days every time I pick something up to buy I will go over the food chain in my head to see if Sony is part of that purchase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never been a fan of consoles , I 've never been a fan of Sony - I bought one console since the days of the Sega Megadrive ( Genesis for some of you ) , the PS3 , because it offered the freedom of Linux.In fact , out side of that console , and the 5 or so games , and one blu-ray movie I own , I do n't think I 've ever bought another Sony product.Now you can be sure until the end of days every time I pick something up to buy I will go over the food chain in my head to see if Sony is part of that purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never been a fan of consoles, I've never been a fan of Sony - I bought one console since the days of the Sega Megadrive (Genesis for some of you), the PS3, because it offered the freedom of Linux.In fact, out side of that console, and the 5 or so games, and one blu-ray movie I own, I don't think I've ever bought another Sony product.Now you can be sure until the end of days every time I pick something up to buy I will go over the food chain in my head to see if Sony is part of that purchase.</sentencetext>
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