<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_30_1753218</id>
	<title>NASA Summoned To Fix Prius Problems</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1269978060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>coondoggie writes <i>"If you want to solve a major engineering mystery, why not bring in some of the world's best engineers? The US Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today said it was doing just that by <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/59465">bringing in NASA engineers</a> with expertise in areas such as computer controlled electronic systems, electromagnetic interference, and software integrity to help tackle the issue of unintended vehicle acceleration in Toyotas. The NHTSA review of the electronic throttle control systems in Toyotas is to be completed by late summer."</i> We're really in trouble when NASA has no choice but to call Bruce Willis.</htmltext>
<tokenext>coondoggie writes " If you want to solve a major engineering mystery , why not bring in some of the world 's best engineers ?
The US Department of Transportation 's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today said it was doing just that by bringing in NASA engineers with expertise in areas such as computer controlled electronic systems , electromagnetic interference , and software integrity to help tackle the issue of unintended vehicle acceleration in Toyotas .
The NHTSA review of the electronic throttle control systems in Toyotas is to be completed by late summer .
" We 're really in trouble when NASA has no choice but to call Bruce Willis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>coondoggie writes "If you want to solve a major engineering mystery, why not bring in some of the world's best engineers?
The US Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration today said it was doing just that by bringing in NASA engineers with expertise in areas such as computer controlled electronic systems, electromagnetic interference, and software integrity to help tackle the issue of unintended vehicle acceleration in Toyotas.
The NHTSA review of the electronic throttle control systems in Toyotas is to be completed by late summer.
" We're really in trouble when NASA has no choice but to call Bruce Willis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678546</id>
	<title>There are no speed limits on the autobahnen[1]</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1269947580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways. Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass</p></div><p>Yes, we do. Here, you may if you wish take your car up to whatever it'll manage. The passing lane is commonly, 150mph+.</p><p>Funnily enough, accidents are no more common than on motorways of any other country, not only that, accidents are no more common on the unrestricted sections than the various restricted sections, and the lane discipline is a damned sight better. Why would you want to do 150mph? Well, <b>your journey takes half the time going at 70mph</b>, why don't you try 30mph or 15mph instead, why not walk.</p><p>[1] About 1/4 of the motorways are unrestricted.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways .
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a passYes , we do .
Here , you may if you wish take your car up to whatever it 'll manage .
The passing lane is commonly , 150mph + .Funnily enough , accidents are no more common than on motorways of any other country , not only that , accidents are no more common on the unrestricted sections than the various restricted sections , and the lane discipline is a damned sight better .
Why would you want to do 150mph ?
Well , your journey takes half the time going at 70mph , why do n't you try 30mph or 15mph instead , why not walk .
[ 1 ] About 1/4 of the motorways are unrestricted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways.
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a passYes, we do.
Here, you may if you wish take your car up to whatever it'll manage.
The passing lane is commonly, 150mph+.Funnily enough, accidents are no more common than on motorways of any other country, not only that, accidents are no more common on the unrestricted sections than the various restricted sections, and the lane discipline is a damned sight better.
Why would you want to do 150mph?
Well, your journey takes half the time going at 70mph, why don't you try 30mph or 15mph instead, why not walk.
[1] About 1/4 of the motorways are unrestricted.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676922</id>
	<title>Re:Spend MILLIONS of dollars..</title>
	<author>fatalwall</author>
	<datestamp>1269941520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if this was the case wouldn't you then need to look into how the peddles are placed?</p><p>I remember one of my parents old cars where you could easily get your foot stuck under the opposite peddle while moving your foot from one to the other. My dad had always told me to be careful of that and I thought he was just pulling my chain until the day it happened to me.</p><p>Either way there appears to be an issue, weather its hardware, software, or training. If its training then the question must then be why does this car require special training compared to others and what is said training.</p><p>Although I kind of wonder if this wouldn't be better for Myth Busters...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if this was the case would n't you then need to look into how the peddles are placed ? I remember one of my parents old cars where you could easily get your foot stuck under the opposite peddle while moving your foot from one to the other .
My dad had always told me to be careful of that and I thought he was just pulling my chain until the day it happened to me.Either way there appears to be an issue , weather its hardware , software , or training .
If its training then the question must then be why does this car require special training compared to others and what is said training.Although I kind of wonder if this would n't be better for Myth Busters.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if this was the case wouldn't you then need to look into how the peddles are placed?I remember one of my parents old cars where you could easily get your foot stuck under the opposite peddle while moving your foot from one to the other.
My dad had always told me to be careful of that and I thought he was just pulling my chain until the day it happened to me.Either way there appears to be an issue, weather its hardware, software, or training.
If its training then the question must then be why does this car require special training compared to others and what is said training.Although I kind of wonder if this wouldn't be better for Myth Busters...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678210</id>
	<title>Note to NASA...</title>
	<author>WidgetGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1269946320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Japanese use the metric system.  We don't want a repeat of that <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/462264.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Mars Climate Orbiter</a> [bbc.co.uk] fuck up...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Japanese use the metric system .
We do n't want a repeat of that Mars Climate Orbiter [ bbc.co.uk ] fuck up.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Japanese use the metric system.
We don't want a repeat of that Mars Climate Orbiter [bbc.co.uk] fuck up...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676618</id>
	<title>What the hell?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So none of Toyota's engineers could figure out what the problem is?<br>Toyota's reputation just took a nose dive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So none of Toyota 's engineers could figure out what the problem is ? Toyota 's reputation just took a nose dive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So none of Toyota's engineers could figure out what the problem is?Toyota's reputation just took a nose dive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676242</id>
	<title>Re:Queue joke...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The programmers are too busy updating the bugs, adding more bugs and bypassing the quality controls.<br>Mean while the suits are passing the buck, slipping money into politicians' pockets and giving themselves a around of raise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The programmers are too busy updating the bugs , adding more bugs and bypassing the quality controls.Mean while the suits are passing the buck , slipping money into politicians ' pockets and giving themselves a around of raise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The programmers are too busy updating the bugs, adding more bugs and bypassing the quality controls.Mean while the suits are passing the buck, slipping money into politicians' pockets and giving themselves a around of raise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677116</id>
	<title>Who has the better track record?</title>
	<author>jwl17330536</author>
	<datestamp>1269942000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, given the miles that Toyota has on land vs. the miles NASA has in space... Toyota might have the most 'accident free' record of the two.  (Not including drivers who are just ignorant)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , given the miles that Toyota has on land vs. the miles NASA has in space... Toyota might have the most 'accident free ' record of the two .
( Not including drivers who are just ignorant )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, given the miles that Toyota has on land vs. the miles NASA has in space... Toyota might have the most 'accident free' record of the two.
(Not including drivers who are just ignorant)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678760</id>
	<title>Government in a pickle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can't stop Toyota from selling the cars because from my understanding the latest issue has not been re-producible. So The NHTSA is trying to find out what is wrong, for the sake of those that have purchased this car since highway safety is their job, so that they can tell Toyota and make Toyota stop selling the defective cars, until the issue is resolved. However, I would hope that they do not release the technical information to Toyota until they pay the bill plus interest for doing their leg work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't stop Toyota from selling the cars because from my understanding the latest issue has not been re-producible .
So The NHTSA is trying to find out what is wrong , for the sake of those that have purchased this car since highway safety is their job , so that they can tell Toyota and make Toyota stop selling the defective cars , until the issue is resolved .
However , I would hope that they do not release the technical information to Toyota until they pay the bill plus interest for doing their leg work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't stop Toyota from selling the cars because from my understanding the latest issue has not been re-producible.
So The NHTSA is trying to find out what is wrong, for the sake of those that have purchased this car since highway safety is their job, so that they can tell Toyota and make Toyota stop selling the defective cars, until the issue is resolved.
However, I would hope that they do not release the technical information to Toyota until they pay the bill plus interest for doing their leg work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677412</id>
	<title>Re:evolution in action</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1269942900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to testimony in the trial of Guadalupe Gomez, he was unable to shift his Camry into neutral or turn off his engine. His experience was symptomatically quite similar to John Saylor's, except that he managed to survive the eventual impact (though those he hit did not, hence the trial). It's likely that the same thing happened to John Saylor, but he didn't live to provide an account.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to testimony in the trial of Guadalupe Gomez , he was unable to shift his Camry into neutral or turn off his engine .
His experience was symptomatically quite similar to John Saylor 's , except that he managed to survive the eventual impact ( though those he hit did not , hence the trial ) .
It 's likely that the same thing happened to John Saylor , but he did n't live to provide an account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to testimony in the trial of Guadalupe Gomez, he was unable to shift his Camry into neutral or turn off his engine.
His experience was symptomatically quite similar to John Saylor's, except that he managed to survive the eventual impact (though those he hit did not, hence the trial).
It's likely that the same thing happened to John Saylor, but he didn't live to provide an account.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31702172</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot fail?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270152540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except no. Because every other auto manufacturer has done throttle-by-wire for 10-20 years without issue. As soon as the Asian econo boxes try they fail horribly. The tech is solid and good. Stop buying japcrap people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except no .
Because every other auto manufacturer has done throttle-by-wire for 10-20 years without issue .
As soon as the Asian econo boxes try they fail horribly .
The tech is solid and good .
Stop buying japcrap people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except no.
Because every other auto manufacturer has done throttle-by-wire for 10-20 years without issue.
As soon as the Asian econo boxes try they fail horribly.
The tech is solid and good.
Stop buying japcrap people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31679898</id>
	<title>me thinks we're really in trouble when</title>
	<author>porky\_pig\_jr</author>
	<datestamp>1269953880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASA has to call Chuck Norris.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA has to call Chuck Norris .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA has to call Chuck Norris.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677436</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>nitehawk214</author>
	<datestamp>1269943020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A software bug caused the first Ariane 5 to crash. Basically it boiled down to lazy coding ignoring a background thread from the previous version of the software that was no longer needed.</p><p><a href="http://www.di.unito.it/~damiani/ariane5rep.html" title="unito.it">Official Report.</a> [unito.it]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A software bug caused the first Ariane 5 to crash .
Basically it boiled down to lazy coding ignoring a background thread from the previous version of the software that was no longer needed.Official Report .
[ unito.it ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A software bug caused the first Ariane 5 to crash.
Basically it boiled down to lazy coding ignoring a background thread from the previous version of the software that was no longer needed.Official Report.
[unito.it]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676524</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1269940320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given the way complex systems tend to work, and the psychology of how people debug them, it seems much more Occam-friendly to suggest that the pedal and floormat problems were real; but, by virtue of being more common and substantially easier to see(debugging of subtle edge cases in embedded code that may or may not happen under certain circumstances but evidence is largely anecdotal, which just isn't too helpful when what you need are the precise parameters the ECU was seeing at the time, is a bitch. Observing wear patterns in a large mechanical part, and pushing it up and down with your hand, and comparing the amount of force needed on a worn one and a fresh one, by contrast, is substantially easier and more intuitive) they masked the much subtler firmware issues until they were corrected.<br> <br>

It is hardly impossible, or even implausible(in more complex systems), for multiple problems to exist; but, for the sake of their sanity, people generally try to debug them in some sort of order, while holding other variables constant. If you find a problem that is easily visible, you don't even need a magnifying glass, much less a debugger and some serious CS skills, you tend to hold to the notion that, pending further evidence, that problem is <i>the</i> problem. If, once you fix it, bad things still happen, you know that you have to look elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the way complex systems tend to work , and the psychology of how people debug them , it seems much more Occam-friendly to suggest that the pedal and floormat problems were real ; but , by virtue of being more common and substantially easier to see ( debugging of subtle edge cases in embedded code that may or may not happen under certain circumstances but evidence is largely anecdotal , which just is n't too helpful when what you need are the precise parameters the ECU was seeing at the time , is a bitch .
Observing wear patterns in a large mechanical part , and pushing it up and down with your hand , and comparing the amount of force needed on a worn one and a fresh one , by contrast , is substantially easier and more intuitive ) they masked the much subtler firmware issues until they were corrected .
It is hardly impossible , or even implausible ( in more complex systems ) , for multiple problems to exist ; but , for the sake of their sanity , people generally try to debug them in some sort of order , while holding other variables constant .
If you find a problem that is easily visible , you do n't even need a magnifying glass , much less a debugger and some serious CS skills , you tend to hold to the notion that , pending further evidence , that problem is the problem .
If , once you fix it , bad things still happen , you know that you have to look elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the way complex systems tend to work, and the psychology of how people debug them, it seems much more Occam-friendly to suggest that the pedal and floormat problems were real; but, by virtue of being more common and substantially easier to see(debugging of subtle edge cases in embedded code that may or may not happen under certain circumstances but evidence is largely anecdotal, which just isn't too helpful when what you need are the precise parameters the ECU was seeing at the time, is a bitch.
Observing wear patterns in a large mechanical part, and pushing it up and down with your hand, and comparing the amount of force needed on a worn one and a fresh one, by contrast, is substantially easier and more intuitive) they masked the much subtler firmware issues until they were corrected.
It is hardly impossible, or even implausible(in more complex systems), for multiple problems to exist; but, for the sake of their sanity, people generally try to debug them in some sort of order, while holding other variables constant.
If you find a problem that is easily visible, you don't even need a magnifying glass, much less a debugger and some serious CS skills, you tend to hold to the notion that, pending further evidence, that problem is the problem.
If, once you fix it, bad things still happen, you know that you have to look elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676432</id>
	<title>Bruce Willis?</title>
	<author>jj00</author>
	<datestamp>1269940020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bruce Willis?  The bigger issue is that they'll have to break Steven Tyler out of rehab.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bruce Willis ?
The bigger issue is that they 'll have to break Steven Tyler out of rehab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bruce Willis?
The bigger issue is that they'll have to break Steven Tyler out of rehab.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677358</id>
	<title>Re:Realigning NASA mission to automotive</title>
	<author>FleaPlus</author>
	<datestamp>1269942720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The budget cuts at NASA apparently keep them earthbound and working on earth crawlers</p></div><p>Uh, NASA's FY2011 budget just got a substantial boost, not a cut. At least, it'll be a boost if the President has his way, and Congress doesn't end up cutting it down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The budget cuts at NASA apparently keep them earthbound and working on earth crawlersUh , NASA 's FY2011 budget just got a substantial boost , not a cut .
At least , it 'll be a boost if the President has his way , and Congress does n't end up cutting it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The budget cuts at NASA apparently keep them earthbound and working on earth crawlersUh, NASA's FY2011 budget just got a substantial boost, not a cut.
At least, it'll be a boost if the President has his way, and Congress doesn't end up cutting it down.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677948</id>
	<title>Re:Competition is good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269945120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or, as most would say, "A challenger appears!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , as most would say , " A challenger appears !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, as most would say, "A challenger appears!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31686668</id>
	<title>Re:Queue joke...</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1270046220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How many engineers does it take to fix a Toyota?</i> </p><p>Just one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... provided he can catch up with the car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many engineers does it take to fix a Toyota ?
Just one ... provided he can catch up with the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many engineers does it take to fix a Toyota?
Just one ... provided he can catch up with the car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676204</id>
	<title>This isn't</title>
	<author>Redlite</author>
	<datestamp>1269982440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>rocket science...</htmltext>
<tokenext>rocket science.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>rocket science...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676136</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1269982260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or it's an admission that the administration wants to make a public circus out of this in order to protect their investment in GM and Chrysler. Or maybe it's an admission that the NHTS doesn't have experience in embedded computer systems and grabbed some from elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or it 's an admission that the administration wants to make a public circus out of this in order to protect their investment in GM and Chrysler .
Or maybe it 's an admission that the NHTS does n't have experience in embedded computer systems and grabbed some from elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or it's an admission that the administration wants to make a public circus out of this in order to protect their investment in GM and Chrysler.
Or maybe it's an admission that the NHTS doesn't have experience in embedded computer systems and grabbed some from elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676146</id>
	<title>Have Them Clean Out The Sewage Pumps Too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It must suck to be a NASA engineer nowadays.  You used to work on systems to send men to the moon.  Now you're wiping grease off of oil-soaked brake disks and sticking your probes into 12v automotive stuff to find some crappy car problem that other people are too stupid to figure out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It must suck to be a NASA engineer nowadays .
You used to work on systems to send men to the moon .
Now you 're wiping grease off of oil-soaked brake disks and sticking your probes into 12v automotive stuff to find some crappy car problem that other people are too stupid to figure out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It must suck to be a NASA engineer nowadays.
You used to work on systems to send men to the moon.
Now you're wiping grease off of oil-soaked brake disks and sticking your probes into 12v automotive stuff to find some crappy car problem that other people are too stupid to figure out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677856</id>
	<title>'Best Engineers?'</title>
	<author>Hasai</author>
	<datestamp>1269944640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the 'best engineers' left NASA after the Apollo program was canceled by the bean-counting Bozos of Congress.</p><p>Nothing's left but third-stringers and bureaucrats. Mostly the latter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the 'best engineers ' left NASA after the Apollo program was canceled by the bean-counting Bozos of Congress.Nothing 's left but third-stringers and bureaucrats .
Mostly the latter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the 'best engineers' left NASA after the Apollo program was canceled by the bean-counting Bozos of Congress.Nothing's left but third-stringers and bureaucrats.
Mostly the latter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31685562</id>
	<title>Re:This will be interesting.</title>
	<author>zdickinson</author>
	<datestamp>1270039140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would think this is because most people who own the cars having the problems are over 50.  They tend to be more expensive and not exactly play to the younger crowd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think this is because most people who own the cars having the problems are over 50 .
They tend to be more expensive and not exactly play to the younger crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think this is because most people who own the cars having the problems are over 50.
They tend to be more expensive and not exactly play to the younger crowd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676270</id>
	<title>NASA does have experience</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1269982680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With electric vehicles (Mars and Lunar Rover)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With electric vehicles ( Mars and Lunar Rover )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With electric vehicles (Mars and Lunar Rover)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677286</id>
	<title>Call MythBusters</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1269942480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Jamie and Adam can't figure out what's going wrong, who can?<br> <br>
And if they can't figure it out, they'll pack the test Prius with C4 and hurl it into a quarry. Win-win.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Jamie and Adam ca n't figure out what 's going wrong , who can ?
And if they ca n't figure it out , they 'll pack the test Prius with C4 and hurl it into a quarry .
Win-win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Jamie and Adam can't figure out what's going wrong, who can?
And if they can't figure it out, they'll pack the test Prius with C4 and hurl it into a quarry.
Win-win.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677776</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269944340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's wrong is that I'm paying for NASA to debug some private commercial entity's code.  Then said company can go on a make millions of dollars in profit.  Fuck that shit, I don't even own a Toyota.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's wrong is that I 'm paying for NASA to debug some private commercial entity 's code .
Then said company can go on a make millions of dollars in profit .
Fuck that shit , I do n't even own a Toyota .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's wrong is that I'm paying for NASA to debug some private commercial entity's code.
Then said company can go on a make millions of dollars in profit.
Fuck that shit, I don't even own a Toyota.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676810</id>
	<title>Re:a public relations stunt</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1269941160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that <b>Toyota is not hiring NASA</b>.  A US Government office is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that Toyota is not hiring NASA .
A US Government office is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that Toyota is not hiring NASA.
A US Government office is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676304</id>
	<title>Credibility...</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1269939600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've heard a lot of rumors in recent years about poor technical abilities at NASA.  I wonder if this is primarily meant to give NASA some street cred.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard a lot of rumors in recent years about poor technical abilities at NASA .
I wonder if this is primarily meant to give NASA some street cred .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard a lot of rumors in recent years about poor technical abilities at NASA.
I wonder if this is primarily meant to give NASA some street cred.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676476</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>jwietelmann</author>
	<datestamp>1269940140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This doesn't hurt Toyota; if anything it helps them.  Nobody is buying the sticky-pedal, caught-in-the-floormat explanation anyway, so how could this do anything but help restore confidence in Toyota?  You get NASA to say that the electronics could use some better shielding, everyone assumes that EMI was the problem, and you get right back to selling Prius'.
<br> <br>
What's really wrong?  I don't know (I'm sort of 50/50 between it being a software race condition or <a href="http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1043440\_toyota-sudden-acceleration-is-it-all-older-drivers-fault" title="thecarconnection.com">driver error</a> [thecarconnection.com]).  But one would think that EMI wouldn't result in several cases of the exact same system failure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't hurt Toyota ; if anything it helps them .
Nobody is buying the sticky-pedal , caught-in-the-floormat explanation anyway , so how could this do anything but help restore confidence in Toyota ?
You get NASA to say that the electronics could use some better shielding , everyone assumes that EMI was the problem , and you get right back to selling Prius' .
What 's really wrong ?
I do n't know ( I 'm sort of 50/50 between it being a software race condition or driver error [ thecarconnection.com ] ) .
But one would think that EMI would n't result in several cases of the exact same system failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't hurt Toyota; if anything it helps them.
Nobody is buying the sticky-pedal, caught-in-the-floormat explanation anyway, so how could this do anything but help restore confidence in Toyota?
You get NASA to say that the electronics could use some better shielding, everyone assumes that EMI was the problem, and you get right back to selling Prius'.
What's really wrong?
I don't know (I'm sort of 50/50 between it being a software race condition or driver error [thecarconnection.com]).
But one would think that EMI wouldn't result in several cases of the exact same system failure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31683890</id>
	<title>Unintended Acceleration Outside the USA</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1270066080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In all this commotion, there is one thing I have been unable to find: numbers on sudden unintended acceleration from outside the USA. I know that Toyota has recalled vehicles around the world, but I haven't seen data on incidents outside the USA. Can anyone provide links to such, just to satisfy my curiosity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In all this commotion , there is one thing I have been unable to find : numbers on sudden unintended acceleration from outside the USA .
I know that Toyota has recalled vehicles around the world , but I have n't seen data on incidents outside the USA .
Can anyone provide links to such , just to satisfy my curiosity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all this commotion, there is one thing I have been unable to find: numbers on sudden unintended acceleration from outside the USA.
I know that Toyota has recalled vehicles around the world, but I haven't seen data on incidents outside the USA.
Can anyone provide links to such, just to satisfy my curiosity?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677160</id>
	<title>NASA isn't without bugs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269942120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hasn't NASA's Mars Rover etc been subject to near fatal bugs?  What good will bringing them on board really do?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has n't NASA 's Mars Rover etc been subject to near fatal bugs ?
What good will bringing them on board really do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hasn't NASA's Mars Rover etc been subject to near fatal bugs?
What good will bringing them on board really do?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678674</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1269948300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't have believed that kind of driver error was something that happened...until two years ago, an older driver in a small SUV with automatic transmission did just that and punched a large hole in the side of our building. Even though he actually needed to go in completely the opposite direction to leave his parking space. He put it in drive, then hit the gas instead of the brake when it started to creep forward. (And I thought they all had locking mechanisms on automatics to stop you from moving it out of park without your foot on the brake).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't have believed that kind of driver error was something that happened...until two years ago , an older driver in a small SUV with automatic transmission did just that and punched a large hole in the side of our building .
Even though he actually needed to go in completely the opposite direction to leave his parking space .
He put it in drive , then hit the gas instead of the brake when it started to creep forward .
( And I thought they all had locking mechanisms on automatics to stop you from moving it out of park without your foot on the brake ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't have believed that kind of driver error was something that happened...until two years ago, an older driver in a small SUV with automatic transmission did just that and punched a large hole in the side of our building.
Even though he actually needed to go in completely the opposite direction to leave his parking space.
He put it in drive, then hit the gas instead of the brake when it started to creep forward.
(And I thought they all had locking mechanisms on automatics to stop you from moving it out of park without your foot on the brake).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676164</id>
	<title>Spend MILLIONS of dollars..</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1269982380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>and when it is all said &amp; done, they will conclude people are hitting the GAS instead of the BRAKE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and when it is all said &amp; done , they will conclude people are hitting the GAS instead of the BRAKE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and when it is all said &amp; done, they will conclude people are hitting the GAS instead of the BRAKE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677036</id>
	<title>Re:Spend MILLIONS of dollars..</title>
	<author>Volante3192</author>
	<datestamp>1269941760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're sure?  You were in the car looking at his feet when it happened?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...What kind of shoe was he wearing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're sure ?
You were in the car looking at his feet when it happened ?
...What kind of shoe was he wearing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're sure?
You were in the car looking at his feet when it happened?
...What kind of shoe was he wearing?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676002</id>
	<title>If you want to stop things from moving anywhere...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269981840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess today's NASA is a good call...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess today 's NASA is a good call.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess today's NASA is a good call...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676174</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1269982380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is an "admission" of nothing.  Nowhere does it say that <b>Toyota</b> has asked NASA to help out.</p><p>The NHTSA is asking NASA to help out, but the NHTSA has never asserted that this was a pedal or floormat problem.  They've just been holding Toyota to the fire to get a fix.  And the fixes so far do not appear to be working.</p><p>This is a sign that the NTSB is likely suspicious of Toyota's explanation, and frustrated with continuing reports of sudden acceleration even on "fixed" cars, and would like someone without a vested interest in a cheap fix to examine this.  Given NASA's experience with writing software that's <b>just gotta work or else</b>, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an " admission " of nothing .
Nowhere does it say that Toyota has asked NASA to help out.The NHTSA is asking NASA to help out , but the NHTSA has never asserted that this was a pedal or floormat problem .
They 've just been holding Toyota to the fire to get a fix .
And the fixes so far do not appear to be working.This is a sign that the NTSB is likely suspicious of Toyota 's explanation , and frustrated with continuing reports of sudden acceleration even on " fixed " cars , and would like someone without a vested interest in a cheap fix to examine this .
Given NASA 's experience with writing software that 's just got ta work or else , I 'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an "admission" of nothing.
Nowhere does it say that Toyota has asked NASA to help out.The NHTSA is asking NASA to help out, but the NHTSA has never asserted that this was a pedal or floormat problem.
They've just been holding Toyota to the fire to get a fix.
And the fixes so far do not appear to be working.This is a sign that the NTSB is likely suspicious of Toyota's explanation, and frustrated with continuing reports of sudden acceleration even on "fixed" cars, and would like someone without a vested interest in a cheap fix to examine this.
Given NASA's experience with writing software that's just gotta work or else, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676024</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676348</id>
	<title>NPR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269939780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it that NPR had the last two stories (NASA &amp; Prius as well as the Magnet influencing morality) on LAST NIGHT'S broadcast, and they're *just now* showing up here?  Slashdot has lost its way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it that NPR had the last two stories ( NASA &amp; Prius as well as the Magnet influencing morality ) on LAST NIGHT 'S broadcast , and they 're * just now * showing up here ?
Slashdot has lost its way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it that NPR had the last two stories (NASA &amp; Prius as well as the Magnet influencing morality) on LAST NIGHT'S broadcast, and they're *just now* showing up here?
Slashdot has lost its way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678086</id>
	<title>Re:a public relations stunt</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1269945780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I think this is a stunt on 2 levels:</p><p>1. Public relations need to be fixed somehow, so calling in NASA shows that the company is 'dead serious' about fixing this problem and they are going for the best people to do it, right?</p><p>2. A small token of appreciation to the government of USA by hiring NASA people, creating some employment, probably this is done with an involvement of a senator or two, some governor maybe, whatever, some politicians will get involved and this is probably important for Toyota now.</p><p>3. Something else, again not really related to the actual car problem, but trying to save the company's ass.</p></div></blockquote><p>First, That's three, not two.</p><p>Second, with regard to #1, the company didn't call in NASA, the NHTSA did. So, it can't possibly be a PR stunt to show that the company is "dead serious", since the company didn't do it. (Unless its a really subtle stunt that involves manipulating the NHTSA to call in NASA with the hope that people won't notice who called in NASA and will just assume that Toyota did. But, I mean, if Toyota wants people to think they called in NASA, it would be a lot simpler for them to overtly do so.)</p><p>Third, with regard to #2, again, Toyota isn't "hiring NASA people", and no one is "creating some employment". NHTSA is getting help from people employed by NASA that already have jobs.</p><p>Your #3 also doesn't make sense because, like #1 and #2, it seems to rest on the assumption that Toyota, not the NHTSA, is initiating this. Unless, again, you assume that the NHTSA is doing so because of some under-the-table manipulation by Toyota, for which no evidence is provided.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a stunt on 2 levels : 1 .
Public relations need to be fixed somehow , so calling in NASA shows that the company is 'dead serious ' about fixing this problem and they are going for the best people to do it , right ? 2 .
A small token of appreciation to the government of USA by hiring NASA people , creating some employment , probably this is done with an involvement of a senator or two , some governor maybe , whatever , some politicians will get involved and this is probably important for Toyota now.3 .
Something else , again not really related to the actual car problem , but trying to save the company 's ass.First , That 's three , not two.Second , with regard to # 1 , the company did n't call in NASA , the NHTSA did .
So , it ca n't possibly be a PR stunt to show that the company is " dead serious " , since the company did n't do it .
( Unless its a really subtle stunt that involves manipulating the NHTSA to call in NASA with the hope that people wo n't notice who called in NASA and will just assume that Toyota did .
But , I mean , if Toyota wants people to think they called in NASA , it would be a lot simpler for them to overtly do so .
) Third , with regard to # 2 , again , Toyota is n't " hiring NASA people " , and no one is " creating some employment " .
NHTSA is getting help from people employed by NASA that already have jobs.Your # 3 also does n't make sense because , like # 1 and # 2 , it seems to rest on the assumption that Toyota , not the NHTSA , is initiating this .
Unless , again , you assume that the NHTSA is doing so because of some under-the-table manipulation by Toyota , for which no evidence is provided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is a stunt on 2 levels:1.
Public relations need to be fixed somehow, so calling in NASA shows that the company is 'dead serious' about fixing this problem and they are going for the best people to do it, right?2.
A small token of appreciation to the government of USA by hiring NASA people, creating some employment, probably this is done with an involvement of a senator or two, some governor maybe, whatever, some politicians will get involved and this is probably important for Toyota now.3.
Something else, again not really related to the actual car problem, but trying to save the company's ass.First, That's three, not two.Second, with regard to #1, the company didn't call in NASA, the NHTSA did.
So, it can't possibly be a PR stunt to show that the company is "dead serious", since the company didn't do it.
(Unless its a really subtle stunt that involves manipulating the NHTSA to call in NASA with the hope that people won't notice who called in NASA and will just assume that Toyota did.
But, I mean, if Toyota wants people to think they called in NASA, it would be a lot simpler for them to overtly do so.
)Third, with regard to #2, again, Toyota isn't "hiring NASA people", and no one is "creating some employment".
NHTSA is getting help from people employed by NASA that already have jobs.Your #3 also doesn't make sense because, like #1 and #2, it seems to rest on the assumption that Toyota, not the NHTSA, is initiating this.
Unless, again, you assume that the NHTSA is doing so because of some under-the-table manipulation by Toyota, for which no evidence is provided.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676202</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676252</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>ShadowRangerRIT</author>
	<datestamp>1269982620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt it will boil down to a code review. Code used for special purpose stuff like this is usually very different from the code used in a general purpose computing device. Very few conditional branches, very straight line execution. This should make it possible to test every possible code path thoroughly, unlike, say Windows or Linux, where a complete test of every possible code path would take longer than it would take for the Sun to burn out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it will boil down to a code review .
Code used for special purpose stuff like this is usually very different from the code used in a general purpose computing device .
Very few conditional branches , very straight line execution .
This should make it possible to test every possible code path thoroughly , unlike , say Windows or Linux , where a complete test of every possible code path would take longer than it would take for the Sun to burn out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it will boil down to a code review.
Code used for special purpose stuff like this is usually very different from the code used in a general purpose computing device.
Very few conditional branches, very straight line execution.
This should make it possible to test every possible code path thoroughly, unlike, say Windows or Linux, where a complete test of every possible code path would take longer than it would take for the Sun to burn out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676074</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676358</id>
	<title>Slashdot fail?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269939780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is Slashdot and we suggest the most insane stuff be Open Source (e.g. "Why isn't my Microwave under GPL?"). But yet when we have an absolutely perfect opportunity to suggest that cars should be REQUIRED to be Open Source for public safety we drop the ball. Come on guys, we can use the power of Open Source and "many eyes" to literally save lives. You could be the geek that finds that piece of code!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is Slashdot and we suggest the most insane stuff be Open Source ( e.g .
" Why is n't my Microwave under GPL ? " ) .
But yet when we have an absolutely perfect opportunity to suggest that cars should be REQUIRED to be Open Source for public safety we drop the ball .
Come on guys , we can use the power of Open Source and " many eyes " to literally save lives .
You could be the geek that finds that piece of code !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is Slashdot and we suggest the most insane stuff be Open Source (e.g.
"Why isn't my Microwave under GPL?").
But yet when we have an absolutely perfect opportunity to suggest that cars should be REQUIRED to be Open Source for public safety we drop the ball.
Come on guys, we can use the power of Open Source and "many eyes" to literally save lives.
You could be the geek that finds that piece of code!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676850</id>
	<title>And NASA will have to call in...</title>
	<author>Schickeneder</author>
	<datestamp>1269941280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Richard Feynman. Oh wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Richard Feynman .
Oh wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Richard Feynman.
Oh wait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31680306</id>
	<title>Re:It's a code problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269955560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really way to many cases? Are you sure?</p><p>I've only ever heard of one single case that didn't sound fishy, and with 1 case, well anything could have happened, then rest seem fairly obvious as older driver confusion/errors and out right fraud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really way to many cases ?
Are you sure ? I 've only ever heard of one single case that did n't sound fishy , and with 1 case , well anything could have happened , then rest seem fairly obvious as older driver confusion/errors and out right fraud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really way to many cases?
Are you sure?I've only ever heard of one single case that didn't sound fishy, and with 1 case, well anything could have happened, then rest seem fairly obvious as older driver confusion/errors and out right fraud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676952</id>
	<title>Re:If you want to stop things from moving anywhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269941520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should have called Microsoft instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should have called Microsoft instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should have called Microsoft instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31689034</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270055760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Either way, it can be spun positively by the PR folks.</p></div><p>Here's a newsflash for ya: That's what PR folks are <i>supposed</i> to do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either way , it can be spun positively by the PR folks.Here 's a newsflash for ya : That 's what PR folks are supposed to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either way, it can be spun positively by the PR folks.Here's a newsflash for ya: That's what PR folks are supposed to do.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678422</id>
	<title>Re:Only going to get worse</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1269947040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As we move to electric cars and other advances cars will be more like a 80mph laptop.</i></p><p>I had a 565 mph laptop last time I flew cross-country. It worked fine, didn't even jog the DVD in it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p><i>Another computer should have been watching the system and saying...what the hell are we accelerating for anyways.</i></p><p>So they just need to install the backseat driver disk. (Get it? Driver disk? Backseat driver? That's comedy gold, people!)</p><p><i>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways. Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass.</i></p><p>Are you American? You should have your citizenship revoked immediately. Hell, my state has freeways where the *average* speed is around 85. I'm guessing you live in a cramped, tiny east coast state?</p><p><i>Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably couldn't outrun anyways.</i></p><p>We could if our cars could do 90 for more than a few seconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As we move to electric cars and other advances cars will be more like a 80mph laptop.I had a 565 mph laptop last time I flew cross-country .
It worked fine , did n't even jog the DVD in it .
: ) Another computer should have been watching the system and saying...what the hell are we accelerating for anyways.So they just need to install the backseat driver disk .
( Get it ?
Driver disk ?
Backseat driver ?
That 's comedy gold , people !
) Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways .
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass.Are you American ?
You should have your citizenship revoked immediately .
Hell , my state has freeways where the * average * speed is around 85 .
I 'm guessing you live in a cramped , tiny east coast state ? Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably could n't outrun anyways.We could if our cars could do 90 for more than a few seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As we move to electric cars and other advances cars will be more like a 80mph laptop.I had a 565 mph laptop last time I flew cross-country.
It worked fine, didn't even jog the DVD in it.
:)Another computer should have been watching the system and saying...what the hell are we accelerating for anyways.So they just need to install the backseat driver disk.
(Get it?
Driver disk?
Backseat driver?
That's comedy gold, people!
)Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways.
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass.Are you American?
You should have your citizenship revoked immediately.
Hell, my state has freeways where the *average* speed is around 85.
I'm guessing you live in a cramped, tiny east coast state?Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably couldn't outrun anyways.We could if our cars could do 90 for more than a few seconds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677184</id>
	<title>AI</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269942240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you see whats happening here?<br>The computer in the car is evolving "AI" !<br>I think therefor I accelerate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you see whats happening here ? The computer in the car is evolving " AI " ! I think therefor I accelerate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you see whats happening here?The computer in the car is evolving "AI" !I think therefor I accelerate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31681680</id>
	<title>Re:Queue joke...</title>
	<author>u17</author>
	<datestamp>1269962400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just one -- and knowing NASA, the solution will be to install a parachute-style aerobrake at the rear of the car<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just one -- and knowing NASA , the solution will be to install a parachute-style aerobrake at the rear of the car ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just one -- and knowing NASA, the solution will be to install a parachute-style aerobrake at the rear of the car ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678432</id>
	<title>Re:Competition is good</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1269947100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They might soon make the discovery that to challenge NASA is not a wise endeavor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They might soon make the discovery that to challenge NASA is not a wise endeavor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They might soon make the discovery that to challenge NASA is not a wise endeavor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676040</id>
	<title>Looking in all the wrong places.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The movie Herbie was prophetic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The movie Herbie was prophetic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The movie Herbie was prophetic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676792</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1269941100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;pedal and floormat "problems" were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem</p><p>Yes it's been Toyota's modus operandi since about 2000  - blame the customer not Toyota:<br>- "My car accelerated out of control, even when I shifted to neutral!".  -  It was your fault, not ours. - TOYOTA.<br>- "My car's engine (times about 100,000 other engines) died after only 20,000 miles.  It's under warranty and would like a new one."     No.  It is the fault of the customer for not changing oil. - TOYOTA.  "But my dealer did the oil changes.  They have records and said they will back me up."  No it is the fault of the customer.  Warranty denied. - TOYOTA</p><p>- "My Prius battery died after only 50,000.  Warranty entitles me to a new one upto 100,000 miles."  No.  Not our problem because our tests show Prius batteries will last 200,000 miles.  You abused the battery, so it's your fault.  - TOYOTA.</p><p>.</p><p>Yes Toyota did eventually go back and fix all these problems.  They extended Prius battery warranty to 150,000 miles.  They replaced or reimbursed customers for their damaged engines.  They recalled the cars and reprogrammed the ECU so it would not ignore the brake or neutral commands.....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....AFTER the U.S. DOJ stepped in.  Toyota of the 2000s acted like Ford of the 1970s.  (Remember the exploding Fords?)  Every company screws up, but to deny warranty to innocent customers, and force them to spend $7000 replacing new engines, shows the height of arrogance.  What's the point of having a warranty if the corporation can randomly refuse to honor the damn thing?</p><p>Source -</p><p>I've been following the Toyota mess for almost a decade now, so I have a lot of sources.  Here's a good starting point: <a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota\_engine.html" title="consumeraffairs.com">http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota\_engine.html</a> [consumeraffairs.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; pedal and floormat " problems " were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problemYes it 's been Toyota 's modus operandi since about 2000 - blame the customer not Toyota : - " My car accelerated out of control , even when I shifted to neutral ! " .
- It was your fault , not ours .
- TOYOTA.- " My car 's engine ( times about 100,000 other engines ) died after only 20,000 miles .
It 's under warranty and would like a new one .
" No .
It is the fault of the customer for not changing oil .
- TOYOTA .
" But my dealer did the oil changes .
They have records and said they will back me up .
" No it is the fault of the customer .
Warranty denied .
- TOYOTA- " My Prius battery died after only 50,000 .
Warranty entitles me to a new one upto 100,000 miles .
" No .
Not our problem because our tests show Prius batteries will last 200,000 miles .
You abused the battery , so it 's your fault .
- TOYOTA..Yes Toyota did eventually go back and fix all these problems .
They extended Prius battery warranty to 150,000 miles .
They replaced or reimbursed customers for their damaged engines .
They recalled the cars and reprogrammed the ECU so it would not ignore the brake or neutral commands..... .....AFTER the U.S. DOJ stepped in .
Toyota of the 2000s acted like Ford of the 1970s .
( Remember the exploding Fords ?
) Every company screws up , but to deny warranty to innocent customers , and force them to spend $ 7000 replacing new engines , shows the height of arrogance .
What 's the point of having a warranty if the corporation can randomly refuse to honor the damn thing ? Source -I 've been following the Toyota mess for almost a decade now , so I have a lot of sources .
Here 's a good starting point : http : //www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota \ _engine.html [ consumeraffairs.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;pedal and floormat "problems" were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problemYes it's been Toyota's modus operandi since about 2000  - blame the customer not Toyota:- "My car accelerated out of control, even when I shifted to neutral!".
-  It was your fault, not ours.
- TOYOTA.- "My car's engine (times about 100,000 other engines) died after only 20,000 miles.
It's under warranty and would like a new one.
"     No.
It is the fault of the customer for not changing oil.
- TOYOTA.
"But my dealer did the oil changes.
They have records and said they will back me up.
"  No it is the fault of the customer.
Warranty denied.
- TOYOTA- "My Prius battery died after only 50,000.
Warranty entitles me to a new one upto 100,000 miles.
"  No.
Not our problem because our tests show Prius batteries will last 200,000 miles.
You abused the battery, so it's your fault.
- TOYOTA..Yes Toyota did eventually go back and fix all these problems.
They extended Prius battery warranty to 150,000 miles.
They replaced or reimbursed customers for their damaged engines.
They recalled the cars and reprogrammed the ECU so it would not ignore the brake or neutral commands..... .....AFTER the U.S. DOJ stepped in.
Toyota of the 2000s acted like Ford of the 1970s.
(Remember the exploding Fords?
)  Every company screws up, but to deny warranty to innocent customers, and force them to spend $7000 replacing new engines, shows the height of arrogance.
What's the point of having a warranty if the corporation can randomly refuse to honor the damn thing?Source -I've been following the Toyota mess for almost a decade now, so I have a lot of sources.
Here's a good starting point: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota\_engine.html [consumeraffairs.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676078</id>
	<title>Re:Queue joke...</title>
	<author>DeadDecoy</author>
	<datestamp>1269982080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>None, you blame it on the programmers and make them fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>None , you blame it on the programmers and make them fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None, you blame it on the programmers and make them fix it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676064</id>
	<title>Willis!?</title>
	<author>indre1</author>
	<datestamp>1269982020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bruce Willis? They'd better call Chuck Norris to fix the pedals with a roundhouse kick or I'm selling my Toyota!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bruce Willis ?
They 'd better call Chuck Norris to fix the pedals with a roundhouse kick or I 'm selling my Toyota !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bruce Willis?
They'd better call Chuck Norris to fix the pedals with a roundhouse kick or I'm selling my Toyota!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676238</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1269982560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's other theories, too, that NASA could help with.  Such as current spikes or other hardware problems.</p><p>In reality, NASA may be a perfect choice given their experience with designing fault-tolerant systems.  That means everything from protecting the system from the environment to software validation.  The control systems in a car have become very complex, approaching that of airplanes and rockets.  I think NASA is a good choice, although I might have gone with an aerospace company instead, such as Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, EADS, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's other theories , too , that NASA could help with .
Such as current spikes or other hardware problems.In reality , NASA may be a perfect choice given their experience with designing fault-tolerant systems .
That means everything from protecting the system from the environment to software validation .
The control systems in a car have become very complex , approaching that of airplanes and rockets .
I think NASA is a good choice , although I might have gone with an aerospace company instead , such as Boeing , Lockheed , Northrop , EADS , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's other theories, too, that NASA could help with.
Such as current spikes or other hardware problems.In reality, NASA may be a perfect choice given their experience with designing fault-tolerant systems.
That means everything from protecting the system from the environment to software validation.
The control systems in a car have become very complex, approaching that of airplanes and rockets.
I think NASA is a good choice, although I might have gone with an aerospace company instead, such as Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, EADS, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676568</id>
	<title>Oooh....</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1269940440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&gt; We're really in trouble when NASA has no choice but to call Bruce Willis.
</p><p>
Oooh... do we get to see him blow up a Prius?  With him inside?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; We 're really in trouble when NASA has no choice but to call Bruce Willis .
Oooh... do we get to see him blow up a Prius ?
With him inside ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
&gt; We're really in trouble when NASA has no choice but to call Bruce Willis.
Oooh... do we get to see him blow up a Prius?
With him inside?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677202</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1269942300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Or maybe it's an admission that the NHTS doesn't have experience in embedded computer systems and grabbed some from elsewhere.</p></div></blockquote><p>


<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/22/AR2010022204887\_2.html?sid=ST2010022204995" title="washingtonpost.com">They don't:</a> [washingtonpost.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>NHTSA, meanwhile, was woefully unprepared to decide whether engine electronics might be at fault, Waxman and Stupak said.
NHTSA officials told investigators that the agency doesn't employ any electrical engineers or software engineers.</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe it 's an admission that the NHTS does n't have experience in embedded computer systems and grabbed some from elsewhere .
They do n't : [ washingtonpost.com ] NHTSA , meanwhile , was woefully unprepared to decide whether engine electronics might be at fault , Waxman and Stupak said .
NHTSA officials told investigators that the agency does n't employ any electrical engineers or software engineers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe it's an admission that the NHTS doesn't have experience in embedded computer systems and grabbed some from elsewhere.
They don't: [washingtonpost.com] NHTSA, meanwhile, was woefully unprepared to decide whether engine electronics might be at fault, Waxman and Stupak said.
NHTSA officials told investigators that the agency doesn't employ any electrical engineers or software engineers. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676554</id>
	<title>Re:a public relations stunt</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1269940380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I said this earlier:  </p><p>If NASA does find a problem then Toyota can spin it as it being so subtle that it took the resources of NASA to find it.  They can then use this, with PR spin, and an agreement to contract with NASA for "consulting" as a win.</p><p>If NASA finds nothing, then Toyota is off the hook wrt the drive by wire system, again a win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I said this earlier : If NASA does find a problem then Toyota can spin it as it being so subtle that it took the resources of NASA to find it .
They can then use this , with PR spin , and an agreement to contract with NASA for " consulting " as a win.If NASA finds nothing , then Toyota is off the hook wrt the drive by wire system , again a win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I said this earlier:  If NASA does find a problem then Toyota can spin it as it being so subtle that it took the resources of NASA to find it.
They can then use this, with PR spin, and an agreement to contract with NASA for "consulting" as a win.If NASA finds nothing, then Toyota is off the hook wrt the drive by wire system, again a win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676910</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1269941460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It probably will be subcontracted to Lockheed Martin by NASA. After all, "Martin's stuck heel" and Lockheed Martin do sound similar enough.</p><p>This however does provide some insight in the existence of alien technology. If government needs NASA to reverse engineer and attempt to resolve the problem, maybe, just maybe, NASA also was provided the task to reverse engineer alien technology. They might have in their posession a stockpile of alien technology which they have yet to decipher how they operate. Otherwise, why would they have gone there?</p><p>The NTSB is the real expert here. They have a lot more in common with the study of forensics, especially when dealing with catastrophic transportation events. Should they not be able to find the issue, then the problem might be outside the vehicle.</p><p>Most cars zooming by my neighbourhood are not Toyota Prius'. They are typically muscle cars driven by teens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It probably will be subcontracted to Lockheed Martin by NASA .
After all , " Martin 's stuck heel " and Lockheed Martin do sound similar enough.This however does provide some insight in the existence of alien technology .
If government needs NASA to reverse engineer and attempt to resolve the problem , maybe , just maybe , NASA also was provided the task to reverse engineer alien technology .
They might have in their posession a stockpile of alien technology which they have yet to decipher how they operate .
Otherwise , why would they have gone there ? The NTSB is the real expert here .
They have a lot more in common with the study of forensics , especially when dealing with catastrophic transportation events .
Should they not be able to find the issue , then the problem might be outside the vehicle.Most cars zooming by my neighbourhood are not Toyota Prius' .
They are typically muscle cars driven by teens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It probably will be subcontracted to Lockheed Martin by NASA.
After all, "Martin's stuck heel" and Lockheed Martin do sound similar enough.This however does provide some insight in the existence of alien technology.
If government needs NASA to reverse engineer and attempt to resolve the problem, maybe, just maybe, NASA also was provided the task to reverse engineer alien technology.
They might have in their posession a stockpile of alien technology which they have yet to decipher how they operate.
Otherwise, why would they have gone there?The NTSB is the real expert here.
They have a lot more in common with the study of forensics, especially when dealing with catastrophic transportation events.
Should they not be able to find the issue, then the problem might be outside the vehicle.Most cars zooming by my neighbourhood are not Toyota Prius'.
They are typically muscle cars driven by teens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31684746</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot fail?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270030980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Exactly, if your car goes out of control just tell you parents to RTFM, all you have to do is edit Accelerator\_Control\_Conf using your favourite editor!! Anyone can do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , if your car goes out of control just tell you parents to RTFM , all you have to do is edit Accelerator \ _Control \ _Conf using your favourite editor ! !
Anyone can do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Exactly, if your car goes out of control just tell you parents to RTFM, all you have to do is edit Accelerator\_Control\_Conf using your favourite editor!!
Anyone can do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31683118</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269972660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Nobody is buying the sticky-pedal, caught-in-the-floormat explanation anyway"</i>
<br> <br>
Toyota is, they are paying for the floor pans to be replaced in 3.8 million cars. If that's supposed to be a cover up why did they choose such an expensive fix as replacing a floor pan? Do people really think they would spend tens (if not hunderds) of millions of dollars to replace floor pans when hiring a couple of random slashdot posters could easily fix the "real problem"? Would Toyota spend that sort of money without strong evidence that they have found a "real problem"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nobody is buying the sticky-pedal , caught-in-the-floormat explanation anyway " Toyota is , they are paying for the floor pans to be replaced in 3.8 million cars .
If that 's supposed to be a cover up why did they choose such an expensive fix as replacing a floor pan ?
Do people really think they would spend tens ( if not hunderds ) of millions of dollars to replace floor pans when hiring a couple of random slashdot posters could easily fix the " real problem " ?
Would Toyota spend that sort of money without strong evidence that they have found a " real problem " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nobody is buying the sticky-pedal, caught-in-the-floormat explanation anyway"
 
Toyota is, they are paying for the floor pans to be replaced in 3.8 million cars.
If that's supposed to be a cover up why did they choose such an expensive fix as replacing a floor pan?
Do people really think they would spend tens (if not hunderds) of millions of dollars to replace floor pans when hiring a couple of random slashdot posters could easily fix the "real problem"?
Would Toyota spend that sort of money without strong evidence that they have found a "real problem"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31686910</id>
	<title>Well what do you know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270047300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess Prius tapped into dark energy field..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess Prius tapped into dark energy field. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess Prius tapped into dark energy field..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676392</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>HarvardAce</author>
	<datestamp>1269939900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Otherwise, it's just another set of computer scientists looking over a few million lines of code they didn't write, trying to find a defect that has supposedly manifest itself less than a few hundred times out of million of cars and probably billions of miles driven.</p></div><p>You're confusing "electronic" with "software."  One possible theory is that interference (internal or external) is causing signals between parts to become corrupted.  My understanding (having RTFA) is that they are focusing on the electrical engineering aspects of it.  I would imagine that NASA, needing to design and test equipment in the harsh environment of space, is pretty darn good at exactly that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Otherwise , it 's just another set of computer scientists looking over a few million lines of code they did n't write , trying to find a defect that has supposedly manifest itself less than a few hundred times out of million of cars and probably billions of miles driven.You 're confusing " electronic " with " software .
" One possible theory is that interference ( internal or external ) is causing signals between parts to become corrupted .
My understanding ( having RTFA ) is that they are focusing on the electrical engineering aspects of it .
I would imagine that NASA , needing to design and test equipment in the harsh environment of space , is pretty darn good at exactly that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Otherwise, it's just another set of computer scientists looking over a few million lines of code they didn't write, trying to find a defect that has supposedly manifest itself less than a few hundred times out of million of cars and probably billions of miles driven.You're confusing "electronic" with "software.
"  One possible theory is that interference (internal or external) is causing signals between parts to become corrupted.
My understanding (having RTFA) is that they are focusing on the electrical engineering aspects of it.
I would imagine that NASA, needing to design and test equipment in the harsh environment of space, is pretty darn good at exactly that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676990</id>
	<title>What else is NASA going to do?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269941640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since they aren't going to the moon any more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since they are n't going to the moon any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since they aren't going to the moon any more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31688010</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270051500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what units are they using this time metric or  imperial?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what units are they using this time metric or imperial ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what units are they using this time metric or  imperial?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676036</id>
	<title>This reminds me of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269981960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Working as a developer at a tiny shop just out of college. Any time the CEO had troubles figuring out how to access a website I would be summoned to "just fix it" for him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Working as a developer at a tiny shop just out of college .
Any time the CEO had troubles figuring out how to access a website I would be summoned to " just fix it " for him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Working as a developer at a tiny shop just out of college.
Any time the CEO had troubles figuring out how to access a website I would be summoned to "just fix it" for him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31682054</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269964620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If lockheed were to make you a toaster, it would cost more than your house and you wouldn't get it for ten years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If lockheed were to make you a toaster , it would cost more than your house and you would n't get it for ten years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If lockheed were to make you a toaster, it would cost more than your house and you wouldn't get it for ten years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676238</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676170</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>pegasustonans</author>
	<datestamp>1269982380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, this is an admission that sticking pedals and faulty floormats had nothing to do with the problem, and that the recalls to fix pedal and floormat "problems" were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem (albeit, unknown cause)?</p><p>No, this is an admission that the United States government wants the US automotive companies they purchased to increase in value at the expense of the competition.</p><p>Headline-grabbing 'investigations' are the best way to scare the public and drive people to purchase more GM cars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , this is an admission that sticking pedals and faulty floormats had nothing to do with the problem , and that the recalls to fix pedal and floormat " problems " were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem ( albeit , unknown cause ) ? No , this is an admission that the United States government wants the US automotive companies they purchased to increase in value at the expense of the competition.Headline-grabbing 'investigations ' are the best way to scare the public and drive people to purchase more GM cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, this is an admission that sticking pedals and faulty floormats had nothing to do with the problem, and that the recalls to fix pedal and floormat "problems" were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem (albeit, unknown cause)?No, this is an admission that the United States government wants the US automotive companies they purchased to increase in value at the expense of the competition.Headline-grabbing 'investigations' are the best way to scare the public and drive people to purchase more GM cars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676024</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676046</id>
	<title>uh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget to tell them the Japanese use the metric system please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget to tell them the Japanese use the metric system please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget to tell them the Japanese use the metric system please.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31679904</id>
	<title>Re:This will be interesting.</title>
	<author>tsstahl</author>
	<datestamp>1269953940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because young drivers go to jail when their Toyota kills people: <a href="http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/25/man-given-8-years-for-vehicular-homicide-in-2007-may-be-freed-using-toyota-defense/" title="dvorak.org">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/25/man-given-8-years-for-vehicular-homicide-in-2007-may-be-freed-using-toyota-defense/</a> [dvorak.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because young drivers go to jail when their Toyota kills people : http : //www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/25/man-given-8-years-for-vehicular-homicide-in-2007-may-be-freed-using-toyota-defense/ [ dvorak.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because young drivers go to jail when their Toyota kills people: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/25/man-given-8-years-for-vehicular-homicide-in-2007-may-be-freed-using-toyota-defense/ [dvorak.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676806</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Dalambertian</author>
	<datestamp>1269941160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, I'm sure NASA has some great FORTRAN subroutines that will sort this whole mess out, pronto.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , I 'm sure NASA has some great FORTRAN subroutines that will sort this whole mess out , pronto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, I'm sure NASA has some great FORTRAN subroutines that will sort this whole mess out, pronto.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676888</id>
	<title>Re:Spend MILLIONS of dollars..</title>
	<author>coastwalker</author>
	<datestamp>1269941400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So your bitterness suggest that we do what? ignore the data and find someone to blame and destroy them, or do a careful study to find the root cause and fix it so that no one else dies. NASA have killed their own quotient of people through complacency and I think they are the ideal investigative organisation to discover the problem. Are you suggesting that we should rely on Witch finders in the press to do the job? Do you know the difference between the scientific method and the Catholic church who wholly approve of buggering children so long as it can be covered up in the interests of a political ideal to destroy all other religions? Make your mind up, either go for your political ideal and bugger the children or use the data to make your decisions with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So your bitterness suggest that we do what ?
ignore the data and find someone to blame and destroy them , or do a careful study to find the root cause and fix it so that no one else dies .
NASA have killed their own quotient of people through complacency and I think they are the ideal investigative organisation to discover the problem .
Are you suggesting that we should rely on Witch finders in the press to do the job ?
Do you know the difference between the scientific method and the Catholic church who wholly approve of buggering children so long as it can be covered up in the interests of a political ideal to destroy all other religions ?
Make your mind up , either go for your political ideal and bugger the children or use the data to make your decisions with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So your bitterness suggest that we do what?
ignore the data and find someone to blame and destroy them, or do a careful study to find the root cause and fix it so that no one else dies.
NASA have killed their own quotient of people through complacency and I think they are the ideal investigative organisation to discover the problem.
Are you suggesting that we should rely on Witch finders in the press to do the job?
Do you know the difference between the scientific method and the Catholic church who wholly approve of buggering children so long as it can be covered up in the interests of a political ideal to destroy all other religions?
Make your mind up, either go for your political ideal and bugger the children or use the data to make your decisions with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31691880</id>
	<title>Re:Competition is good</title>
	<author>anarking</author>
	<datestamp>1270067460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait so now in addition to monetarily bailing out companies, we're going to do their work for them also?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait so now in addition to monetarily bailing out companies , we 're going to do their work for them also ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait so now in addition to monetarily bailing out companies, we're going to do their work for them also?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676560</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676218</id>
	<title>Fate it seems...</title>
	<author>Jon Abbott</author>
	<datestamp>1269982500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is truly ironic here is that NASA <a href="http://history.nasa.gov/Apollo204/content.html" title="nasa.gov">regularly</a> [nasa.gov] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers\_Commission" title="wikipedia.org">summons</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia\_Accident\_Investigation\_Board" title="wikipedia.org">external</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/396093main\_HSF\_Cmte\_FinalReport.pdf" title="nasa.gov">panels</a> [nasa.gov] to fix their problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is truly ironic here is that NASA regularly [ nasa.gov ] summons [ wikipedia.org ] external [ wikipedia.org ] panels [ nasa.gov ] to fix their problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is truly ironic here is that NASA regularly [nasa.gov] summons [wikipedia.org] external [wikipedia.org] panels [nasa.gov] to fix their problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31684160</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270068900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well Lockheed is certainly familiar with
<a href="http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=12500" title="spaceref.com" rel="nofollow">"unintended acceleration".</a> [spaceref.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well Lockheed is certainly familiar with " unintended acceleration " .
[ spaceref.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well Lockheed is certainly familiar with
"unintended acceleration".
[spaceref.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31704064</id>
	<title>Bruce Willis?</title>
	<author>danwesnor</author>
	<datestamp>1270132980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We're more in trouble when they call Liv Tyler.  That means the situation is so bad they just want to watch one more really hot car wash before we all die.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're more in trouble when they call Liv Tyler .
That means the situation is so bad they just want to watch one more really hot car wash before we all die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're more in trouble when they call Liv Tyler.
That means the situation is so bad they just want to watch one more really hot car wash before we all die.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677004</id>
	<title>It's a win-win situation</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1269941700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Toyota will learn what went wrong with its software, and NASA will find out how to get a vehicle into space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Toyota will learn what went wrong with its software , and NASA will find out how to get a vehicle into space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Toyota will learn what went wrong with its software, and NASA will find out how to get a vehicle into space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31682346</id>
	<title>Re:Competition is good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, if you read Feynman's Appendix F in the challenger report you see that the embedded software systems were what NASA did right in the challenger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , if you read Feynman 's Appendix F in the challenger report you see that the embedded software systems were what NASA did right in the challenger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, if you read Feynman's Appendix F in the challenger report you see that the embedded software systems were what NASA did right in the challenger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676972</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1269941580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Given NASA's experience with writing software that's <b>just gotta work or else</b>, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job.</p></div><p>Think beyond the code, too.  We're talking EMI, possible latch-ups of chips or ASICs, signal integrity issues, or any of a number of digital electronic issues.  NASA builds stuff that just has to work, even when passing through the Van Allen radiation belts or outside the Earth's magnetosphere.  If there's an intermittent hardware error, they will find it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given NASA 's experience with writing software that 's just got ta work or else , I 'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job.Think beyond the code , too .
We 're talking EMI , possible latch-ups of chips or ASICs , signal integrity issues , or any of a number of digital electronic issues .
NASA builds stuff that just has to work , even when passing through the Van Allen radiation belts or outside the Earth 's magnetosphere .
If there 's an intermittent hardware error , they will find it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given NASA's experience with writing software that's just gotta work or else, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job.Think beyond the code, too.
We're talking EMI, possible latch-ups of chips or ASICs, signal integrity issues, or any of a number of digital electronic issues.
NASA builds stuff that just has to work, even when passing through the Van Allen radiation belts or outside the Earth's magnetosphere.
If there's an intermittent hardware error, they will find it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31680662</id>
	<title>Ummmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269957060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not too sure they called the right folks to *fix* a "sudden acceleration issue". I mean, doesn't NASA try to cause sudden accelerations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not too sure they called the right folks to * fix * a " sudden acceleration issue " .
I mean , does n't NASA try to cause sudden accelerations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not too sure they called the right folks to *fix* a "sudden acceleration issue".
I mean, doesn't NASA try to cause sudden accelerations?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31688062</id>
	<title>Re:a public relations stunt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270051740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, what? You post the same comment TWICE and you get modded up TWICE.</p><p>What part of "i said this earlier" don't you understand, Slashdotters?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , what ?
You post the same comment TWICE and you get modded up TWICE.What part of " i said this earlier " do n't you understand , Slashdotters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, what?
You post the same comment TWICE and you get modded up TWICE.What part of "i said this earlier" don't you understand, Slashdotters?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676488</id>
	<title>$3 Mil?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The total cost of the two studies is expected to come to approximately $3 million, including the cost of purchasing cars that have allegedly experienced unintended acceleration to be studied." I guess they don't have to bother looking at the Car Fax. What does "unintended acceleration" do to the KBB value?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The total cost of the two studies is expected to come to approximately $ 3 million , including the cost of purchasing cars that have allegedly experienced unintended acceleration to be studied .
" I guess they do n't have to bother looking at the Car Fax .
What does " unintended acceleration " do to the KBB value ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The total cost of the two studies is expected to come to approximately $3 million, including the cost of purchasing cars that have allegedly experienced unintended acceleration to be studied.
" I guess they don't have to bother looking at the Car Fax.
What does "unintended acceleration" do to the KBB value?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677544</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Jarjarthejedi</author>
	<datestamp>1269943380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Given NASA's experience with writing software that's just gotta work or else, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job."</p><p>You're right! I can't think of a better group of programmers to work on car acceleration issues than the guys who've lost 3 probes to software errors (mariner 1, mars climate orbitor and mars polar lander)!</p><p>NASA is not the organization it once was, and implying that their programmers get everything right is not only dangerous, but silly. Everyone makes mistakes, NASA is no exception, and calling them in is more of a PR boost than anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Given NASA 's experience with writing software that 's just got ta work or else , I 'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job .
" You 're right !
I ca n't think of a better group of programmers to work on car acceleration issues than the guys who 've lost 3 probes to software errors ( mariner 1 , mars climate orbitor and mars polar lander ) ! NASA is not the organization it once was , and implying that their programmers get everything right is not only dangerous , but silly .
Everyone makes mistakes , NASA is no exception , and calling them in is more of a PR boost than anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Given NASA's experience with writing software that's just gotta work or else, I'd be very hard-pressed to think of no better team of programmers for the job.
"You're right!
I can't think of a better group of programmers to work on car acceleration issues than the guys who've lost 3 probes to software errors (mariner 1, mars climate orbitor and mars polar lander)!NASA is not the organization it once was, and implying that their programmers get everything right is not only dangerous, but silly.
Everyone makes mistakes, NASA is no exception, and calling them in is more of a PR boost than anything else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676074</id>
	<title>Floor Mats</title>
	<author>sycodon</author>
	<datestamp>1269982080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the problems with the shuttles were related to floor mats then perhaps NASA could help. Otherwise, it's just another set of computer scientists looking over a few million lines of code they didn't write, trying to find a defect that has supposedly  manifest itself less than a few hundred times out of million of cars and probably billions of miles driven.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the problems with the shuttles were related to floor mats then perhaps NASA could help .
Otherwise , it 's just another set of computer scientists looking over a few million lines of code they did n't write , trying to find a defect that has supposedly manifest itself less than a few hundred times out of million of cars and probably billions of miles driven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the problems with the shuttles were related to floor mats then perhaps NASA could help.
Otherwise, it's just another set of computer scientists looking over a few million lines of code they didn't write, trying to find a defect that has supposedly  manifest itself less than a few hundred times out of million of cars and probably billions of miles driven.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678148</id>
	<title>Re:Willis!?</title>
	<author>waitwonder</author>
	<datestamp>1269946080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Call Jack Bauer and he'll figure it out in 24 hours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Call Jack Bauer and he 'll figure it out in 24 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call Jack Bauer and he'll figure it out in 24 hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678662</id>
	<title>Re:If you want to stop things from moving anywhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, they probably should be calling in old Bell Labs people who pioneered fault tolerant design. I, myself, worked on numerous EMI/ESD/Power idiosyncrasies that impacted complex switching systems. I even wrote software to de-bounce  a switch until opto-isolator hardware was designed to eliminate some ESD effects. This may sound biased<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but many Asians had trouble working on fault tolerance. Many could not accept the simple fact that "we design systems to fail" and how they fail is what we can control. A lot of people have trouble accepting "hardware glitches" and software bugs. A simple ground wire making poor contact can drive some hardware bananas! The results are not predictable; often, not repeatable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they probably should be calling in old Bell Labs people who pioneered fault tolerant design .
I , myself , worked on numerous EMI/ESD/Power idiosyncrasies that impacted complex switching systems .
I even wrote software to de-bounce a switch until opto-isolator hardware was designed to eliminate some ESD effects .
This may sound biased ... but many Asians had trouble working on fault tolerance .
Many could not accept the simple fact that " we design systems to fail " and how they fail is what we can control .
A lot of people have trouble accepting " hardware glitches " and software bugs .
A simple ground wire making poor contact can drive some hardware bananas !
The results are not predictable ; often , not repeatable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they probably should be calling in old Bell Labs people who pioneered fault tolerant design.
I, myself, worked on numerous EMI/ESD/Power idiosyncrasies that impacted complex switching systems.
I even wrote software to de-bounce  a switch until opto-isolator hardware was designed to eliminate some ESD effects.
This may sound biased ... but many Asians had trouble working on fault tolerance.
Many could not accept the simple fact that "we design systems to fail" and how they fail is what we can control.
A lot of people have trouble accepting "hardware glitches" and software bugs.
A simple ground wire making poor contact can drive some hardware bananas!
The results are not predictable; often, not repeatable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677408</id>
	<title>Structured S/W Testing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269942900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, having worked in safety critical software systems (aviation) for a number of years, and Level A at that (the highest level the FAA requires), the thing that many of these posts fail to recognize that automotive software systems ARE getting incredibly complex.  When these problems first arose, my gut reaction was that if we keep seeing issues like this, the NTSB was going to investigate imposing FAA like standards.  In my opinion, that isn't a bad thing.  But I don't think it will happen any time soon, as the cost per car will increase to account for all the extra software testing that must be done.</p><p>Second, just because a piece of software has complete code coverage does not mean that if an error is there, it is because of some "cosmic" effect.  You also have to define what level of code coverage you are talking about.  Statement coverage, decision coverage, modified condition/decision coverage, condition coverage?  Even in the eyes of the FAA, this is a tricky area.  You may have 100\% MC/DC (the requirement for Level A software), but you can and will still have bugs.  Anyone hear of bad requirements?  That is one reason you have reviews for all areas, not just code (requirements, design, code, test, coverage, test results, etc).</p><p>Third, of course you should have an independent team look into the bug.  Why so many people think that having a set of eyes look at code when they have never seen it before have never had to have independent verification.  When you are dealing with structured software development for the FAA, the testers are never the ones who wrote the code.  They (should) only know requirements and functionality.  Design and code mean nothing at that stage.  The tests are then written to robustly test those requirements, and then only done once you feel you have 100\% requirement based testing complete, you look and see what your coverage is.  If you have reached 100\% coverage, then you can probably feel confident that your requirements were good and your tests were good.  But even then, you still need to have reviews done (ideally by an independent team).</p><p>Lastly, just because this is "special" code, does not mean that there will be very few conditional branches in the code.  Only with special code compilation tools can you create code that is linear.  And as with avionics, automobiles are complex machines.  They have many inputs to determine what should be done in a circumstance (right tire slipping, brakes applied, what should the engine do?).  Therefore, not only will you have many conditional branches, but you will have complex conditional branches, which makes the software that much more difficult to test and debug.</p><p>In the end, just as with avionics, safety should be the number one concern.  If it requires us as a society to say that software in cars that keep you safe (brakes, acceleration, engine control, etc) needs to be regulated, and that the NTSB will create FAA like standards (just like nuclear and railroads have done), so be it.  If we didn't have FAA standards, the planes would be cheaper, tickets would probably be cheaper, etc...but do any of us really want that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , having worked in safety critical software systems ( aviation ) for a number of years , and Level A at that ( the highest level the FAA requires ) , the thing that many of these posts fail to recognize that automotive software systems ARE getting incredibly complex .
When these problems first arose , my gut reaction was that if we keep seeing issues like this , the NTSB was going to investigate imposing FAA like standards .
In my opinion , that is n't a bad thing .
But I do n't think it will happen any time soon , as the cost per car will increase to account for all the extra software testing that must be done.Second , just because a piece of software has complete code coverage does not mean that if an error is there , it is because of some " cosmic " effect .
You also have to define what level of code coverage you are talking about .
Statement coverage , decision coverage , modified condition/decision coverage , condition coverage ?
Even in the eyes of the FAA , this is a tricky area .
You may have 100 \ % MC/DC ( the requirement for Level A software ) , but you can and will still have bugs .
Anyone hear of bad requirements ?
That is one reason you have reviews for all areas , not just code ( requirements , design , code , test , coverage , test results , etc ) .Third , of course you should have an independent team look into the bug .
Why so many people think that having a set of eyes look at code when they have never seen it before have never had to have independent verification .
When you are dealing with structured software development for the FAA , the testers are never the ones who wrote the code .
They ( should ) only know requirements and functionality .
Design and code mean nothing at that stage .
The tests are then written to robustly test those requirements , and then only done once you feel you have 100 \ % requirement based testing complete , you look and see what your coverage is .
If you have reached 100 \ % coverage , then you can probably feel confident that your requirements were good and your tests were good .
But even then , you still need to have reviews done ( ideally by an independent team ) .Lastly , just because this is " special " code , does not mean that there will be very few conditional branches in the code .
Only with special code compilation tools can you create code that is linear .
And as with avionics , automobiles are complex machines .
They have many inputs to determine what should be done in a circumstance ( right tire slipping , brakes applied , what should the engine do ? ) .
Therefore , not only will you have many conditional branches , but you will have complex conditional branches , which makes the software that much more difficult to test and debug.In the end , just as with avionics , safety should be the number one concern .
If it requires us as a society to say that software in cars that keep you safe ( brakes , acceleration , engine control , etc ) needs to be regulated , and that the NTSB will create FAA like standards ( just like nuclear and railroads have done ) , so be it .
If we did n't have FAA standards , the planes would be cheaper , tickets would probably be cheaper , etc...but do any of us really want that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, having worked in safety critical software systems (aviation) for a number of years, and Level A at that (the highest level the FAA requires), the thing that many of these posts fail to recognize that automotive software systems ARE getting incredibly complex.
When these problems first arose, my gut reaction was that if we keep seeing issues like this, the NTSB was going to investigate imposing FAA like standards.
In my opinion, that isn't a bad thing.
But I don't think it will happen any time soon, as the cost per car will increase to account for all the extra software testing that must be done.Second, just because a piece of software has complete code coverage does not mean that if an error is there, it is because of some "cosmic" effect.
You also have to define what level of code coverage you are talking about.
Statement coverage, decision coverage, modified condition/decision coverage, condition coverage?
Even in the eyes of the FAA, this is a tricky area.
You may have 100\% MC/DC (the requirement for Level A software), but you can and will still have bugs.
Anyone hear of bad requirements?
That is one reason you have reviews for all areas, not just code (requirements, design, code, test, coverage, test results, etc).Third, of course you should have an independent team look into the bug.
Why so many people think that having a set of eyes look at code when they have never seen it before have never had to have independent verification.
When you are dealing with structured software development for the FAA, the testers are never the ones who wrote the code.
They (should) only know requirements and functionality.
Design and code mean nothing at that stage.
The tests are then written to robustly test those requirements, and then only done once you feel you have 100\% requirement based testing complete, you look and see what your coverage is.
If you have reached 100\% coverage, then you can probably feel confident that your requirements were good and your tests were good.
But even then, you still need to have reviews done (ideally by an independent team).Lastly, just because this is "special" code, does not mean that there will be very few conditional branches in the code.
Only with special code compilation tools can you create code that is linear.
And as with avionics, automobiles are complex machines.
They have many inputs to determine what should be done in a circumstance (right tire slipping, brakes applied, what should the engine do?).
Therefore, not only will you have many conditional branches, but you will have complex conditional branches, which makes the software that much more difficult to test and debug.In the end, just as with avionics, safety should be the number one concern.
If it requires us as a society to say that software in cars that keep you safe (brakes, acceleration, engine control, etc) needs to be regulated, and that the NTSB will create FAA like standards (just like nuclear and railroads have done), so be it.
If we didn't have FAA standards, the planes would be cheaper, tickets would probably be cheaper, etc...but do any of us really want that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676564</id>
	<title>Bruce Willis?</title>
	<author>ionz</author>
	<datestamp>1269940440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this more appropriate for Keanu Reeves... Speed 3: Hybrid Control</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this more appropriate for Keanu Reeves... Speed 3 : Hybrid Control</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this more appropriate for Keanu Reeves... Speed 3: Hybrid Control</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678608</id>
	<title>Everything is a mess</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269947880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as an ex-engineer at GM's proving grounds:</p><p>Auto companies are basically systems integrators. It is almost always cheaper to outsource the parts design and spend your labor on making everything play nice. GM literally does not have an analog electronics department. Can't speak for Toyota, but they probably don't even have a guy on hand qualified to say whether EMI could be the culprit. Hence the NASA.</p><p>Reliable EMI failures are not new to the auto industry. There was a Cadillac that would shut off the engine if you drove under power lines at a certain speed. There was a rash of cars exploding at gas pumps because the gas tank WASN'T GROUNDED and static discharge igniting gas vapors.</p><p>Meanwhile, the code is a mess to look through and nobody knows the whole system. Almost none of the final code is actually written by hand. Everything is optimized automatically with autocode. This turns the code into unreadable spaghetti. If it passes the test bench, you call it good, and those test benches are definitely not exhaustive. I'll betcha nobody is waggling the windshield wiper voltage and seeing if it causes an acceleration upset.</p><p>IMHO, could be either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as an ex-engineer at GM 's proving grounds : Auto companies are basically systems integrators .
It is almost always cheaper to outsource the parts design and spend your labor on making everything play nice .
GM literally does not have an analog electronics department .
Ca n't speak for Toyota , but they probably do n't even have a guy on hand qualified to say whether EMI could be the culprit .
Hence the NASA.Reliable EMI failures are not new to the auto industry .
There was a Cadillac that would shut off the engine if you drove under power lines at a certain speed .
There was a rash of cars exploding at gas pumps because the gas tank WAS N'T GROUNDED and static discharge igniting gas vapors.Meanwhile , the code is a mess to look through and nobody knows the whole system .
Almost none of the final code is actually written by hand .
Everything is optimized automatically with autocode .
This turns the code into unreadable spaghetti .
If it passes the test bench , you call it good , and those test benches are definitely not exhaustive .
I 'll betcha nobody is waggling the windshield wiper voltage and seeing if it causes an acceleration upset.IMHO , could be either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as an ex-engineer at GM's proving grounds:Auto companies are basically systems integrators.
It is almost always cheaper to outsource the parts design and spend your labor on making everything play nice.
GM literally does not have an analog electronics department.
Can't speak for Toyota, but they probably don't even have a guy on hand qualified to say whether EMI could be the culprit.
Hence the NASA.Reliable EMI failures are not new to the auto industry.
There was a Cadillac that would shut off the engine if you drove under power lines at a certain speed.
There was a rash of cars exploding at gas pumps because the gas tank WASN'T GROUNDED and static discharge igniting gas vapors.Meanwhile, the code is a mess to look through and nobody knows the whole system.
Almost none of the final code is actually written by hand.
Everything is optimized automatically with autocode.
This turns the code into unreadable spaghetti.
If it passes the test bench, you call it good, and those test benches are definitely not exhaustive.
I'll betcha nobody is waggling the windshield wiper voltage and seeing if it causes an acceleration upset.IMHO, could be either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676402</id>
	<title>Re:Paid off by the government?</title>
	<author>Jenming</author>
	<datestamp>1269939960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chrysler was owned by a German company at the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chrysler was owned by a German company at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chrysler was owned by a German company at the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676506</id>
	<title>Re:So I guess....</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1269940260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this *IS* one of those problems that requires a rocket scientist to figure out. I never thought I'd see the day. My life is now complete.</p></div><p>
Toyota doesn't utilize rocket propulsion on the Prius, unfortunately.
</p><p>
Hang in there.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this * IS * one of those problems that requires a rocket scientist to figure out .
I never thought I 'd see the day .
My life is now complete .
Toyota does n't utilize rocket propulsion on the Prius , unfortunately .
Hang in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this *IS* one of those problems that requires a rocket scientist to figure out.
I never thought I'd see the day.
My life is now complete.
Toyota doesn't utilize rocket propulsion on the Prius, unfortunately.
Hang in there.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678134</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Nikker</author>
	<datestamp>1269946020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to add a personal experience a very close family member leased a new Ford Escape a couple of years back and had a similar experience (non hybrid model).  She was stopped at a red light with her foot on the break and the engine went full throttle.  Lucky for her she had her foot on the break but the suv did jump a foot before it came to a stop.  <br> <br>
There is really no excuse for not having a mechanical backup to the system and the more companies that will be going the route of consolidating mechanical functions with electronic means we just have to give way to the possibility of errors becomes greater.  Now that HUD's are becoming more popular what's to say a bug in the software won't obstruct your entire view of the road in front of you?  Maybe a bug in the NAV system will take certain control over the vehicle to prevent a perceived collision where there is none.  Technology is meant to assist the user not supersede them.  As this technology becomes more prominent it will just bring the focus to the malicious to tamper with it for what ever outcome they choose.  We are also putting a lot of trust in something like a battery.  Currently if your engine fails you still have control over the vehicle apart from acceleration, on a fly by wire system once it loses power all those components will cease to exist as well.  If we look into real possibilities such as corrosion of the contacts that deliver power, short circuits, blown fuses and battery wear/defects these will make a much larger impact on the driver then ever before.  Many people even as we speak may be driving around with some fuses blown but now that the power involved is much greater the systems involved in regulating power flow become much more involved and again more likely to cause a complete system failure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to add a personal experience a very close family member leased a new Ford Escape a couple of years back and had a similar experience ( non hybrid model ) .
She was stopped at a red light with her foot on the break and the engine went full throttle .
Lucky for her she had her foot on the break but the suv did jump a foot before it came to a stop .
There is really no excuse for not having a mechanical backup to the system and the more companies that will be going the route of consolidating mechanical functions with electronic means we just have to give way to the possibility of errors becomes greater .
Now that HUD 's are becoming more popular what 's to say a bug in the software wo n't obstruct your entire view of the road in front of you ?
Maybe a bug in the NAV system will take certain control over the vehicle to prevent a perceived collision where there is none .
Technology is meant to assist the user not supersede them .
As this technology becomes more prominent it will just bring the focus to the malicious to tamper with it for what ever outcome they choose .
We are also putting a lot of trust in something like a battery .
Currently if your engine fails you still have control over the vehicle apart from acceleration , on a fly by wire system once it loses power all those components will cease to exist as well .
If we look into real possibilities such as corrosion of the contacts that deliver power , short circuits , blown fuses and battery wear/defects these will make a much larger impact on the driver then ever before .
Many people even as we speak may be driving around with some fuses blown but now that the power involved is much greater the systems involved in regulating power flow become much more involved and again more likely to cause a complete system failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to add a personal experience a very close family member leased a new Ford Escape a couple of years back and had a similar experience (non hybrid model).
She was stopped at a red light with her foot on the break and the engine went full throttle.
Lucky for her she had her foot on the break but the suv did jump a foot before it came to a stop.
There is really no excuse for not having a mechanical backup to the system and the more companies that will be going the route of consolidating mechanical functions with electronic means we just have to give way to the possibility of errors becomes greater.
Now that HUD's are becoming more popular what's to say a bug in the software won't obstruct your entire view of the road in front of you?
Maybe a bug in the NAV system will take certain control over the vehicle to prevent a perceived collision where there is none.
Technology is meant to assist the user not supersede them.
As this technology becomes more prominent it will just bring the focus to the malicious to tamper with it for what ever outcome they choose.
We are also putting a lot of trust in something like a battery.
Currently if your engine fails you still have control over the vehicle apart from acceleration, on a fly by wire system once it loses power all those components will cease to exist as well.
If we look into real possibilities such as corrosion of the contacts that deliver power, short circuits, blown fuses and battery wear/defects these will make a much larger impact on the driver then ever before.
Many people even as we speak may be driving around with some fuses blown but now that the power involved is much greater the systems involved in regulating power flow become much more involved and again more likely to cause a complete system failure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677486</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269943140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think NASA is a good choice, although I might have gone with an aerospace company instead, such as Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, EADS, etc.</p></div><p>Defense contractors? they may as well put a remote backdoor to the accelerator and sell it to the government as a feature. NASA is fine<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think NASA is a good choice , although I might have gone with an aerospace company instead , such as Boeing , Lockheed , Northrop , EADS , etc.Defense contractors ?
they may as well put a remote backdoor to the accelerator and sell it to the government as a feature .
NASA is fine : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think NASA is a good choice, although I might have gone with an aerospace company instead, such as Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, EADS, etc.Defense contractors?
they may as well put a remote backdoor to the accelerator and sell it to the government as a feature.
NASA is fine :P
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676688</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>except NASA's manned space flight code is usually bought.  They do have some expertise but it is the contractors who really could get it done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>except NASA 's manned space flight code is usually bought .
They do have some expertise but it is the contractors who really could get it done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>except NASA's manned space flight code is usually bought.
They do have some expertise but it is the contractors who really could get it done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676176</id>
	<title>Gotta love it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, the government kills 13,000 NASA jobs and destroys any hope for future progress with the American space program.<br>Then, the government relagates NASA's duties to exclusively focusing on global warming.<br>Now, the government further belittles NASA by making them fix a non-american-company's private affairs.</p><p>I can haz NASA engineers to re-roof my house?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , the government kills 13,000 NASA jobs and destroys any hope for future progress with the American space program.Then , the government relagates NASA 's duties to exclusively focusing on global warming.Now , the government further belittles NASA by making them fix a non-american-company 's private affairs.I can haz NASA engineers to re-roof my house ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, the government kills 13,000 NASA jobs and destroys any hope for future progress with the American space program.Then, the government relagates NASA's duties to exclusively focusing on global warming.Now, the government further belittles NASA by making them fix a non-american-company's private affairs.I can haz NASA engineers to re-roof my house?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677246</id>
	<title>Re:Realigning NASA mission to automotive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269942420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're draining money from the fight against Gigas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're draining money from the fight against Gigas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're draining money from the fight against Gigas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677620</id>
	<title>Re:Competition is good</title>
	<author>jd</author>
	<datestamp>1269943680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah, that had runaway acceleration too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , that had runaway acceleration too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, that had runaway acceleration too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31692744</id>
	<title>New customer services just opened !</title>
	<author>Sterops</author>
	<datestamp>1270027320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Following the announcement that NASA will deal with your car problems, well known companies and agencies opened customer services:
<ul>
<li>You don't get along very well with your neighbor? Call United Nations, they deal with negotiation problems all the time.</li><li>You don't feel secure in your house? You want some security stuff for your downtown shop? Call NATO, they are experts in security issues.</li><li>Your kid doesn't know how to put batteries in his toy car? Let him call General Electric, they know all about electricity stuff</li><li>You just made a paper-plane contest and lost, and you feel bad? Call Boeing, they can help on plane problems.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Following the announcement that NASA will deal with your car problems , well known companies and agencies opened customer services : You do n't get along very well with your neighbor ?
Call United Nations , they deal with negotiation problems all the time.You do n't feel secure in your house ?
You want some security stuff for your downtown shop ?
Call NATO , they are experts in security issues.Your kid does n't know how to put batteries in his toy car ?
Let him call General Electric , they know all about electricity stuffYou just made a paper-plane contest and lost , and you feel bad ?
Call Boeing , they can help on plane problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Following the announcement that NASA will deal with your car problems, well known companies and agencies opened customer services:

You don't get along very well with your neighbor?
Call United Nations, they deal with negotiation problems all the time.You don't feel secure in your house?
You want some security stuff for your downtown shop?
Call NATO, they are experts in security issues.Your kid doesn't know how to put batteries in his toy car?
Let him call General Electric, they know all about electricity stuffYou just made a paper-plane contest and lost, and you feel bad?
Call Boeing, they can help on plane problems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676244</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or it's an admission that the administration wants to make a public circus out of this in order to protect their investment in GM and Chrysler...</p></div><p>Bingo! We have a winner. Watch for it to get very, very expensive for Toyota to sell cars in the US.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or it 's an admission that the administration wants to make a public circus out of this in order to protect their investment in GM and Chrysler...Bingo !
We have a winner .
Watch for it to get very , very expensive for Toyota to sell cars in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or it's an admission that the administration wants to make a public circus out of this in order to protect their investment in GM and Chrysler...Bingo!
We have a winner.
Watch for it to get very, very expensive for Toyota to sell cars in the US.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676574</id>
	<title>This will be interesting.</title>
	<author>seebs</author>
	<datestamp>1269940500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd really like to see how the computer in the car manages to consistently only enter this mysterious state when the driver is 60 or older (or maybe in the late 50s).  Because normally, if you have a ton of examples of something failing, all of which involve people of an age famed for acquired inattentiveness or confusion, and which look just like many other reported and documented cases of elderly folks getting confused and hitting the gas pedal thinking it's the brakes, you'd not assume it was the computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd really like to see how the computer in the car manages to consistently only enter this mysterious state when the driver is 60 or older ( or maybe in the late 50s ) .
Because normally , if you have a ton of examples of something failing , all of which involve people of an age famed for acquired inattentiveness or confusion , and which look just like many other reported and documented cases of elderly folks getting confused and hitting the gas pedal thinking it 's the brakes , you 'd not assume it was the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd really like to see how the computer in the car manages to consistently only enter this mysterious state when the driver is 60 or older (or maybe in the late 50s).
Because normally, if you have a ton of examples of something failing, all of which involve people of an age famed for acquired inattentiveness or confusion, and which look just like many other reported and documented cases of elderly folks getting confused and hitting the gas pedal thinking it's the brakes, you'd not assume it was the computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676024</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1269981900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, this is an admission that sticking pedals and faulty floormats had nothing to do with the problem, and that the recalls to fix pedal and floormat "problems" were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem (albeit, unknown cause)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , this is an admission that sticking pedals and faulty floormats had nothing to do with the problem , and that the recalls to fix pedal and floormat " problems " were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem ( albeit , unknown cause ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, this is an admission that sticking pedals and faulty floormats had nothing to do with the problem, and that the recalls to fix pedal and floormat "problems" were simply a smokescreen to hide the actual cause of the problem (albeit, unknown cause)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676852</id>
	<title>NASA - new cars -- aha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269941280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think NASA wants a few dozen cars to test drive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... engineers like new cars to take home after the experiment too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think NASA wants a few dozen cars to test drive ... engineers like new cars to take home after the experiment too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think NASA wants a few dozen cars to test drive ... engineers like new cars to take home after the experiment too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677110</id>
	<title>It's a code problem...</title>
	<author>jwiegley</author>
	<datestamp>1269941940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I think people are idiots. lots of accidents are cause by poorly maintained floormats, doing your lipstick, texting, etc. This isn't the problem here. There are way too many incidents of various natures to be accounted for by this.</p><p>Yes, I think electromagnetic radiation exists. Yes, it can produce measurable effects. This, is also, not the problem here. EMF does not cause motors to turn with any appreciable torque. Modern electronics are sufficiently robust to this type of sporadic interference to account for this.</p><p>The problem here is in the code. I have written embedded software. It is WAAAY too easy to make a subtle mistake in an embedded environment that has limited processing power, highly asynchronous processing and a multitude of cooperating software and hardware modules. Further more, it can be a total bitch to debug these environments and the faults that they can exhibit can be nearly impossible to reproduce. And in EVERY case where I've seen "Hey, it shouldn't do that. The code doesn't have it doing that!" it turns that yes, it was doing exactly what the code had it do under those circumstances.<br>So, Want to save time and money? Ignore looking at anything other than code. Analyze the hell out of the software and you will find the culprit lurking there. You can put me on record for predicting this. (if they even 'fess up to the cause once found.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I think people are idiots .
lots of accidents are cause by poorly maintained floormats , doing your lipstick , texting , etc .
This is n't the problem here .
There are way too many incidents of various natures to be accounted for by this.Yes , I think electromagnetic radiation exists .
Yes , it can produce measurable effects .
This , is also , not the problem here .
EMF does not cause motors to turn with any appreciable torque .
Modern electronics are sufficiently robust to this type of sporadic interference to account for this.The problem here is in the code .
I have written embedded software .
It is WAAAY too easy to make a subtle mistake in an embedded environment that has limited processing power , highly asynchronous processing and a multitude of cooperating software and hardware modules .
Further more , it can be a total bitch to debug these environments and the faults that they can exhibit can be nearly impossible to reproduce .
And in EVERY case where I 've seen " Hey , it should n't do that .
The code does n't have it doing that !
" it turns that yes , it was doing exactly what the code had it do under those circumstances.So , Want to save time and money ?
Ignore looking at anything other than code .
Analyze the hell out of the software and you will find the culprit lurking there .
You can put me on record for predicting this .
( if they even 'fess up to the cause once found .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I think people are idiots.
lots of accidents are cause by poorly maintained floormats, doing your lipstick, texting, etc.
This isn't the problem here.
There are way too many incidents of various natures to be accounted for by this.Yes, I think electromagnetic radiation exists.
Yes, it can produce measurable effects.
This, is also, not the problem here.
EMF does not cause motors to turn with any appreciable torque.
Modern electronics are sufficiently robust to this type of sporadic interference to account for this.The problem here is in the code.
I have written embedded software.
It is WAAAY too easy to make a subtle mistake in an embedded environment that has limited processing power, highly asynchronous processing and a multitude of cooperating software and hardware modules.
Further more, it can be a total bitch to debug these environments and the faults that they can exhibit can be nearly impossible to reproduce.
And in EVERY case where I've seen "Hey, it shouldn't do that.
The code doesn't have it doing that!
" it turns that yes, it was doing exactly what the code had it do under those circumstances.So, Want to save time and money?
Ignore looking at anything other than code.
Analyze the hell out of the software and you will find the culprit lurking there.
You can put me on record for predicting this.
(if they even 'fess up to the cause once found.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31680620</id>
	<title>Woz thinks it's software</title>
	<author>garyebickford</author>
	<datestamp>1269956940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steve Wozniak sez he can repeat the problem at will.  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/04/steve-wozniaks-prius-prob\_n\_448778.html" title="huffingtonpost.com">Article</a> [huffingtonpost.com]:</p><blockquote><div><p>Wozniak's 2010 Toyota Prius can unintentionally accelerate to as much as 97 miles (156 kilometers) per hour when he uses cruise control to increase his speed, he said in an interview yesterday. Toyota and the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration haven't responded to his complaints in the past two months on what may be a software-related glitch, he said.</p><p>"It's scary when it happens," Wozniak, 59, said from San Jose, California. "I've had trouble getting both the government safety agency and getting Toyota to listen to me."<br>"Toyota has this accelerator problem we've all heard about," Mr. Wozniak said last week at Discover Forum 2010 in San Francisco, reported CNET.com (via Autoblog). "Well, I have many models of Prius that got recalled, but I have a new model that didn't get recalled. This new model has an accelerator that goes wild, but only under certain conditions of cruise control. And I can repeat it over and over and over again -- safely."</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Wozniak sez he can repeat the problem at will .
Article [ huffingtonpost.com ] : Wozniak 's 2010 Toyota Prius can unintentionally accelerate to as much as 97 miles ( 156 kilometers ) per hour when he uses cruise control to increase his speed , he said in an interview yesterday .
Toyota and the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration have n't responded to his complaints in the past two months on what may be a software-related glitch , he said .
" It 's scary when it happens , " Wozniak , 59 , said from San Jose , California .
" I 've had trouble getting both the government safety agency and getting Toyota to listen to me .
" " Toyota has this accelerator problem we 've all heard about , " Mr. Wozniak said last week at Discover Forum 2010 in San Francisco , reported CNET.com ( via Autoblog ) .
" Well , I have many models of Prius that got recalled , but I have a new model that did n't get recalled .
This new model has an accelerator that goes wild , but only under certain conditions of cruise control .
And I can repeat it over and over and over again -- safely .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Wozniak sez he can repeat the problem at will.
Article [huffingtonpost.com]:Wozniak's 2010 Toyota Prius can unintentionally accelerate to as much as 97 miles (156 kilometers) per hour when he uses cruise control to increase his speed, he said in an interview yesterday.
Toyota and the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration haven't responded to his complaints in the past two months on what may be a software-related glitch, he said.
"It's scary when it happens," Wozniak, 59, said from San Jose, California.
"I've had trouble getting both the government safety agency and getting Toyota to listen to me.
""Toyota has this accelerator problem we've all heard about," Mr. Wozniak said last week at Discover Forum 2010 in San Francisco, reported CNET.com (via Autoblog).
"Well, I have many models of Prius that got recalled, but I have a new model that didn't get recalled.
This new model has an accelerator that goes wild, but only under certain conditions of cruise control.
And I can repeat it over and over and over again -- safely.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676626</id>
	<title>Sup Dawg</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Toyota: "Yo, I hear NASA ppl R smrt!"<br>US: "Ya they R clevr! lets get they're help!"<br>NASA Rocket Scientist - Xzhibit: "Yo dawg, we heard you like stopping, so we put retro rockets in your Prius, so you can stop while you accelerate!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Toyota : " Yo , I hear NASA ppl R smrt !
" US : " Ya they R clevr !
lets get they 're help !
" NASA Rocket Scientist - Xzhibit : " Yo dawg , we heard you like stopping , so we put retro rockets in your Prius , so you can stop while you accelerate !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Toyota: "Yo, I hear NASA ppl R smrt!
"US: "Ya they R clevr!
lets get they're help!
"NASA Rocket Scientist - Xzhibit: "Yo dawg, we heard you like stopping, so we put retro rockets in your Prius, so you can stop while you accelerate!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31679338</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269951540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think one of the greatest advantages of using NASA to test the matter is that NASA is quite possibly the best qualified at determining the fault could be that drivers over 60 years of age consistently fail at following through with the engine shut off procedure of holding a button depressed for more than three seconds. In my unprofesional opinion, NASA seems the best suited to not only test code, but is best suited to study user responses and behavior.</p><p>The flaw might not be just in the code. The flaw might be in the design of the user interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think one of the greatest advantages of using NASA to test the matter is that NASA is quite possibly the best qualified at determining the fault could be that drivers over 60 years of age consistently fail at following through with the engine shut off procedure of holding a button depressed for more than three seconds .
In my unprofesional opinion , NASA seems the best suited to not only test code , but is best suited to study user responses and behavior.The flaw might not be just in the code .
The flaw might be in the design of the user interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think one of the greatest advantages of using NASA to test the matter is that NASA is quite possibly the best qualified at determining the fault could be that drivers over 60 years of age consistently fail at following through with the engine shut off procedure of holding a button depressed for more than three seconds.
In my unprofesional opinion, NASA seems the best suited to not only test code, but is best suited to study user responses and behavior.The flaw might not be just in the code.
The flaw might be in the design of the user interface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31679246</id>
	<title>This is absolutely insane</title>
	<author>KharmaWidow</author>
	<datestamp>1269951120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are we wasting American tax dollars to solve a foreign auto company's technical error!?  To further drive American auto industries out of business?  We should just ban Japan's defective lead-foot autos like we ban China's lead-filled products.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't coming from NASA's already diminished budget.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are we wasting American tax dollars to solve a foreign auto company 's technical error ! ?
To further drive American auto industries out of business ?
We should just ban Japan 's defective lead-foot autos like we ban China 's lead-filled products .
    I would n't be surprised if this was n't coming from NASA 's already diminished budget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are we wasting American tax dollars to solve a foreign auto company's technical error!?
To further drive American auto industries out of business?
We should just ban Japan's defective lead-foot autos like we ban China's lead-filled products.
    I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't coming from NASA's already diminished budget.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676702</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're making the assumption that the problem actually exists, or still exists.  I'm suspicious that a lot of people all of a sudden are finding fingers in Wendy's food...  something smells fishy here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're making the assumption that the problem actually exists , or still exists .
I 'm suspicious that a lot of people all of a sudden are finding fingers in Wendy 's food... something smells fishy here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're making the assumption that the problem actually exists, or still exists.
I'm suspicious that a lot of people all of a sudden are finding fingers in Wendy's food...  something smells fishy here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677054</id>
	<title>Re:a public relations stunt</title>
	<author>winomonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1269941760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you RTFA?  Toyota is mentioned twice, and only in the context of Toyota the vehicle make, not Toyota the company.  NASA is not being hired by Toyota. NASA is being called in by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the USDOT to look at the vehicles, because the NHTSA apparently does not have the expertise to handle the investigation as to why the vehicles are suffering from the uncontrolled acceleration.

The US government, not Toyota, is paying scientists from another federal program 3 million dollars to investigate the problem, which is actually bad PR for Toyota.  This makes it look like they cannot explain their own problem, let alone fix it, and the US government has to do clean up work to get to the root of these failures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you RTFA ?
Toyota is mentioned twice , and only in the context of Toyota the vehicle make , not Toyota the company .
NASA is not being hired by Toyota .
NASA is being called in by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the USDOT to look at the vehicles , because the NHTSA apparently does not have the expertise to handle the investigation as to why the vehicles are suffering from the uncontrolled acceleration .
The US government , not Toyota , is paying scientists from another federal program 3 million dollars to investigate the problem , which is actually bad PR for Toyota .
This makes it look like they can not explain their own problem , let alone fix it , and the US government has to do clean up work to get to the root of these failures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you RTFA?
Toyota is mentioned twice, and only in the context of Toyota the vehicle make, not Toyota the company.
NASA is not being hired by Toyota.
NASA is being called in by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the USDOT to look at the vehicles, because the NHTSA apparently does not have the expertise to handle the investigation as to why the vehicles are suffering from the uncontrolled acceleration.
The US government, not Toyota, is paying scientists from another federal program 3 million dollars to investigate the problem, which is actually bad PR for Toyota.
This makes it look like they cannot explain their own problem, let alone fix it, and the US government has to do clean up work to get to the root of these failures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678624</id>
	<title>Re:Only going to get worse</title>
	<author>raymansean</author>
	<datestamp>1269948000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways. Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass. Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably couldn't outrun anyways.</p></div><p>And if we outlaw guns, people will stop being killed by guns...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways .
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass .
Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably could n't outrun anyways.And if we outlaw guns , people will stop being killed by guns.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways.
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass.
Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably couldn't outrun anyways.And if we outlaw guns, people will stop being killed by guns...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31678954</id>
	<title>Re:This reminds me of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269949500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hee-hee. I just had a stupidvisor chew me out for complaining about all the unsighed SSL certificates my company uses. "Just mark the domain as trusted, don't waste our company time with such complaints." Too bad it irritates our customers, too, and interfers with both internal and external services. But hey, they only pay my salary to provide security guidance: God forbid I actually suggest a change that actually *help* people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hee-hee .
I just had a stupidvisor chew me out for complaining about all the unsighed SSL certificates my company uses .
" Just mark the domain as trusted , do n't waste our company time with such complaints .
" Too bad it irritates our customers , too , and interfers with both internal and external services .
But hey , they only pay my salary to provide security guidance : God forbid I actually suggest a change that actually * help * people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hee-hee.
I just had a stupidvisor chew me out for complaining about all the unsighed SSL certificates my company uses.
"Just mark the domain as trusted, don't waste our company time with such complaints.
" Too bad it irritates our customers, too, and interfers with both internal and external services.
But hey, they only pay my salary to provide security guidance: God forbid I actually suggest a change that actually *help* people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31679394</id>
	<title>Re:NASA involved because of aviation incidents</title>
	<author>ptbarnett</author>
	<datestamp>1269951660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I believe NASA is the government agency that handles "incidents" in the aviation world.</p></div><p>

NASA administrates the <a href="http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/" title="nasa.gov">Aviation Safety Reporting System</a> [nasa.gov].</p><p>

This is nothing more than a compilation and reporting system.  NASA doesn't investigate "incidents".  They just compile and report the data in aggregate.</p><p>

The original reports are confidential.  Pilots are encouraged to file them, and fines and penalties are even waived for unintentional violations of aviation statutes and regulations, if the pilot files an ASRS report.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe NASA is the government agency that handles " incidents " in the aviation world .
NASA administrates the Aviation Safety Reporting System [ nasa.gov ] .
This is nothing more than a compilation and reporting system .
NASA does n't investigate " incidents " .
They just compile and report the data in aggregate .
The original reports are confidential .
Pilots are encouraged to file them , and fines and penalties are even waived for unintentional violations of aviation statutes and regulations , if the pilot files an ASRS report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe NASA is the government agency that handles "incidents" in the aviation world.
NASA administrates the Aviation Safety Reporting System [nasa.gov].
This is nothing more than a compilation and reporting system.
NASA doesn't investigate "incidents".
They just compile and report the data in aggregate.
The original reports are confidential.
Pilots are encouraged to file them, and fines and penalties are even waived for unintentional violations of aviation statutes and regulations, if the pilot files an ASRS report.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31683612</id>
	<title>Re:Realigning NASA mission to automotive</title>
	<author>bsdewhurst</author>
	<datestamp>1269977340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>National Automotive Safety Advisors?</htmltext>
<tokenext>National Automotive Safety Advisors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>National Automotive Safety Advisors?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676120</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31683416</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>sl149q</author>
	<datestamp>1269975120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares. The number of times it has happened either way is so low that fixing it is simply not cost effective. The money should be spent on solving other known problems that kill far more people every year. Just pumping the money into MADD would be more worthwhile. Driver education or training, more traffic lights. Pretty much anything would be a better place to spend money than chasing (probably) non-existent problems that simply are not killing that many people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares .
The number of times it has happened either way is so low that fixing it is simply not cost effective .
The money should be spent on solving other known problems that kill far more people every year .
Just pumping the money into MADD would be more worthwhile .
Driver education or training , more traffic lights .
Pretty much anything would be a better place to spend money than chasing ( probably ) non-existent problems that simply are not killing that many people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares.
The number of times it has happened either way is so low that fixing it is simply not cost effective.
The money should be spent on solving other known problems that kill far more people every year.
Just pumping the money into MADD would be more worthwhile.
Driver education or training, more traffic lights.
Pretty much anything would be a better place to spend money than chasing (probably) non-existent problems that simply are not killing that many people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676476</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31680158</id>
	<title>Re:Competition is good</title>
	<author>Jeian</author>
	<datestamp>1269954960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And behold... a challenger appears!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And behold... a challenger appears !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And behold... a challenger appears!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676120</id>
	<title>Realigning NASA mission to automotive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The budget cuts at NASA apparently keep them earthbound and working on earth crawlers</htmltext>
<tokenext>The budget cuts at NASA apparently keep them earthbound and working on earth crawlers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The budget cuts at NASA apparently keep them earthbound and working on earth crawlers</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676202</id>
	<title>a public relations stunt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is a stunt on 2 levels:</p><p>1.  Public relations need to be fixed somehow, so calling in NASA shows that the company is 'dead serious' about fixing this problem and they are going for the best people to do it, right?</p><p>2.  A small token of appreciation to the government of USA by hiring NASA people, creating some employment, probably this is done with an involvement of a senator or two, some governor maybe, whatever, some politicians will get involved and this is probably important for Toyota now.</p><p>3.  Something else, again not really related to the actual car problem, but trying to save the company's ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a stunt on 2 levels : 1 .
Public relations need to be fixed somehow , so calling in NASA shows that the company is 'dead serious ' about fixing this problem and they are going for the best people to do it , right ? 2 .
A small token of appreciation to the government of USA by hiring NASA people , creating some employment , probably this is done with an involvement of a senator or two , some governor maybe , whatever , some politicians will get involved and this is probably important for Toyota now.3 .
Something else , again not really related to the actual car problem , but trying to save the company 's ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is a stunt on 2 levels:1.
Public relations need to be fixed somehow, so calling in NASA shows that the company is 'dead serious' about fixing this problem and they are going for the best people to do it, right?2.
A small token of appreciation to the government of USA by hiring NASA people, creating some employment, probably this is done with an involvement of a senator or two, some governor maybe, whatever, some politicians will get involved and this is probably important for Toyota now.3.
Something else, again not really related to the actual car problem, but trying to save the company's ass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31675986</id>
	<title>Queue joke...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269981780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many engineers does it take to fix a Toyota?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many engineers does it take to fix a Toyota ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many engineers does it take to fix a Toyota?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31684978</id>
	<title>I haven't seen evidence of a toyota problem YET</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270033260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>All I have seen is some unknown acceleration CLAIM, and a lot of evidence (including study over many hundred of people) that OLD Folk tend to confuse acceleration pedal and brake. heck I nearly got killed that way : some old folk wanted to aprk and instead of hitting the brake on their expansive audi, they hit the freaking acceleration pedal. Thanks god, there was a tree between THEM and ME. I have yet to have evidence that this is not the same shit, and that some other which lost control of their vehicule just decided to assign it on toyota, and ride the blame wave.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All I have seen is some unknown acceleration CLAIM , and a lot of evidence ( including study over many hundred of people ) that OLD Folk tend to confuse acceleration pedal and brake .
heck I nearly got killed that way : some old folk wanted to aprk and instead of hitting the brake on their expansive audi , they hit the freaking acceleration pedal .
Thanks god , there was a tree between THEM and ME .
I have yet to have evidence that this is not the same shit , and that some other which lost control of their vehicule just decided to assign it on toyota , and ride the blame wave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I have seen is some unknown acceleration CLAIM, and a lot of evidence (including study over many hundred of people) that OLD Folk tend to confuse acceleration pedal and brake.
heck I nearly got killed that way : some old folk wanted to aprk and instead of hitting the brake on their expansive audi, they hit the freaking acceleration pedal.
Thanks god, there was a tree between THEM and ME.
I have yet to have evidence that this is not the same shit, and that some other which lost control of their vehicule just decided to assign it on toyota, and ride the blame wave.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676650</id>
	<title>bring in NASA to check for extra-terrestials</title>
	<author>fregare</author>
	<datestamp>1269940680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes they have a track record of very good design.  For example,  it was an excellent idea to put the engine right under the pilots on the shuttle .  They'll find the problem all right.

They should be able to figure it out though since it is caused by Martians thereby justifying the Mars mission.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes they have a track record of very good design .
For example , it was an excellent idea to put the engine right under the pilots on the shuttle .
They 'll find the problem all right .
They should be able to figure it out though since it is caused by Martians thereby justifying the Mars mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes they have a track record of very good design.
For example,  it was an excellent idea to put the engine right under the pilots on the shuttle .
They'll find the problem all right.
They should be able to figure it out though since it is caused by Martians thereby justifying the Mars mission.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677554</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269943380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a software race condition</p></div><p>Pun intended?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a software race conditionPun intended ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a software race conditionPun intended?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676498</id>
	<title>Re:Paid off by the government?</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1269940200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow, i can't even think in that kind of direction.  Thank you for sharing but that does sound very unlikely.  There was a part in the article talking about other private industry problems that NASA has helped with, but they don't mention Chrysler.. someone will have to research that.</p><p>"In 2003, NASA and the NHTSA wanted to research new methods for testing vehicle rollover resistance after a widely reported factory recall of Firestone tires. NASA's High Capacity Centrifuge (HCC) was the answer. Vehicles were spun, using the HCC at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center on a test platform, until inertia and centrifugal force caused them to tip.  Results of that test have set standards for rollover technology development."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , i ca n't even think in that kind of direction .
Thank you for sharing but that does sound very unlikely .
There was a part in the article talking about other private industry problems that NASA has helped with , but they do n't mention Chrysler.. someone will have to research that .
" In 2003 , NASA and the NHTSA wanted to research new methods for testing vehicle rollover resistance after a widely reported factory recall of Firestone tires .
NASA 's High Capacity Centrifuge ( HCC ) was the answer .
Vehicles were spun , using the HCC at NASA 's Goddard Space Flight Center on a test platform , until inertia and centrifugal force caused them to tip .
Results of that test have set standards for rollover technology development .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, i can't even think in that kind of direction.
Thank you for sharing but that does sound very unlikely.
There was a part in the article talking about other private industry problems that NASA has helped with, but they don't mention Chrysler.. someone will have to research that.
"In 2003, NASA and the NHTSA wanted to research new methods for testing vehicle rollover resistance after a widely reported factory recall of Firestone tires.
NASA's High Capacity Centrifuge (HCC) was the answer.
Vehicles were spun, using the HCC at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center on a test platform, until inertia and centrifugal force caused them to tip.
Results of that test have set standards for rollover technology development.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677780</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>robvangelder</author>
	<datestamp>1269944340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And afterward, "Safety so good, it was verified by NASA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And afterward , " Safety so good , it was verified by NASA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And afterward, "Safety so good, it was verified by NASA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676992</id>
	<title>Only going to get worse</title>
	<author>Twillerror</author>
	<datestamp>1269941640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As we move to electric cars and other advances cars will be more like a 80mph laptop.</p><p>We will need to have safe guards at all level. Another computer should have been watching the system and saying...what the hell are we accelerating for anyways.</p><p>Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways. Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass. Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably couldn't outrun anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As we move to electric cars and other advances cars will be more like a 80mph laptop.We will need to have safe guards at all level .
Another computer should have been watching the system and saying...what the hell are we accelerating for anyways.Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways .
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass .
Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably could n't outrun anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As we move to electric cars and other advances cars will be more like a 80mph laptop.We will need to have safe guards at all level.
Another computer should have been watching the system and saying...what the hell are we accelerating for anyways.Why the hell can cars run this fast anyways.
Do we really need a car that will run over 90mph for more than a few seconds during a pass.
Are we all so brainwashed by action movies we pretend we might need to run away from a maniac we probably couldn't outrun anyways.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677918</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>dubbreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269944940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If NASA <i>does</i> find a problem, then Toyota can say -- "It was such a subtle problem, it took NASA's resources and expertise to find and fix it."       </p></div><p>Of course that's just a media spin. If NASA finds an issue I doubt any amount of PR propaganda will save Toyota's stock prices and sales numbers from plummeting.<br> <br>
Toyota has burned a lot of customer goodwill and has spent a lot of their brand equity in the last few years. My prediction is they will start offering even bigger rebates and incentives than they are now in order to keep their market share.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If NASA does find a problem , then Toyota can say -- " It was such a subtle problem , it took NASA 's resources and expertise to find and fix it .
" Of course that 's just a media spin .
If NASA finds an issue I doubt any amount of PR propaganda will save Toyota 's stock prices and sales numbers from plummeting .
Toyota has burned a lot of customer goodwill and has spent a lot of their brand equity in the last few years .
My prediction is they will start offering even bigger rebates and incentives than they are now in order to keep their market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If NASA does find a problem, then Toyota can say -- "It was such a subtle problem, it took NASA's resources and expertise to find and fix it.
"       Of course that's just a media spin.
If NASA finds an issue I doubt any amount of PR propaganda will save Toyota's stock prices and sales numbers from plummeting.
Toyota has burned a lot of customer goodwill and has spent a lot of their brand equity in the last few years.
My prediction is they will start offering even bigger rebates and incentives than they are now in order to keep their market share.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677126</id>
	<title>evolution in action</title>
	<author>dltaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1269942060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He never put the transmission in neutral.</p><p>IF there was an real problem, his lack of competence as a driver turned a mechanical/electronic glitch into an evolutionary failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He never put the transmission in neutral.IF there was an real problem , his lack of competence as a driver turned a mechanical/electronic glitch into an evolutionary failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He never put the transmission in neutral.IF there was an real problem, his lack of competence as a driver turned a mechanical/electronic glitch into an evolutionary failure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31681518</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269961500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great....so the US government has to flip the bill and fix the problem instead of Toyota.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great....so the US government has to flip the bill and fix the problem instead of Toyota .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great....so the US government has to flip the bill and fix the problem instead of Toyota.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676560</id>
	<title>Competition is good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Toyota's engineers needed a challenger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Toyota 's engineers needed a challenger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Toyota's engineers needed a challenger.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676094</id>
	<title>Who you gonna call?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When there's something weird in your machine?
Who you gonna call?
When there're ghosts in your machine
Who you gonna call?
NASA!</htmltext>
<tokenext>When there 's something weird in your machine ?
Who you gon na call ?
When there 're ghosts in your machine Who you gon na call ?
NASA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When there's something weird in your machine?
Who you gonna call?
When there're ghosts in your machine
Who you gonna call?
NASA!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676776</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot fail?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269941040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe because we dont want geeks updating their cars firmware so that when accelerating, the pitch of the engine matches the "Final Countdown" melody, on the theories that "it would be cool", "that sequence kicks ass", and "because I didnt like the fork that locked and unlocked the breaks in time with "BOOM-BOOM-TSK"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe because we dont want geeks updating their cars firmware so that when accelerating , the pitch of the engine matches the " Final Countdown " melody , on the theories that " it would be cool " , " that sequence kicks ass " , and " because I didnt like the fork that locked and unlocked the breaks in time with " BOOM-BOOM-TSK "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe because we dont want geeks updating their cars firmware so that when accelerating, the pitch of the engine matches the "Final Countdown" melody, on the theories that "it would be cool", "that sequence kicks ass", and "because I didnt like the fork that locked and unlocked the breaks in time with "BOOM-BOOM-TSK"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676358</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676048</id>
	<title>Paid off by the government?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering the government now has a vested interest and billions of dollars invested in the success of GM and Chrysler, who's to say the NASA evaluators won't be <i>influence</i> in relation to their final report?</p><p>Didn't Chrysler have a similar problem several years ago that ended up being user error?  For some reason, I don't remember Congress and NASA deciding they needed to weigh in on that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the government now has a vested interest and billions of dollars invested in the success of GM and Chrysler , who 's to say the NASA evaluators wo n't be influence in relation to their final report ? Did n't Chrysler have a similar problem several years ago that ended up being user error ?
For some reason , I do n't remember Congress and NASA deciding they needed to weigh in on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the government now has a vested interest and billions of dollars invested in the success of GM and Chrysler, who's to say the NASA evaluators won't be influence in relation to their final report?Didn't Chrysler have a similar problem several years ago that ended up being user error?
For some reason, I don't remember Congress and NASA deciding they needed to weigh in on that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676346</id>
	<title>The Woz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269939720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I swear I heard Steve Wozniak say in an interview abut his book a while back that he knew of this problem and could reproduce it in his own prius? I can't find the video on it anymore, but would any of you now of it or where to find it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I swear I heard Steve Wozniak say in an interview abut his book a while back that he knew of this problem and could reproduce it in his own prius ?
I ca n't find the video on it anymore , but would any of you now of it or where to find it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I swear I heard Steve Wozniak say in an interview abut his book a while back that he knew of this problem and could reproduce it in his own prius?
I can't find the video on it anymore, but would any of you now of it or where to find it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31686530</id>
	<title>Re:Fate it seems...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270045560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. NASA has a history of going outside the agency to make sure they're not just getting self-generated back-slapping.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
NASA has a history of going outside the agency to make sure they 're not just getting self-generated back-slapping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
NASA has a history of going outside the agency to make sure they're not just getting self-generated back-slapping.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676196</id>
	<title>So I guess....</title>
	<author>Eggplant62</author>
	<datestamp>1269982440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this *IS* one of those problems that requires a rocket scientist to figure out. I never thought I'd see the day. My life is now complete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this * IS * one of those problems that requires a rocket scientist to figure out .
I never thought I 'd see the day .
My life is now complete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this *IS* one of those problems that requires a rocket scientist to figure out.
I never thought I'd see the day.
My life is now complete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676446</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1269940080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If NASA <i>cannot</i> find a problem, then Toyota is off the hook.</p><p>If NASA <i>does</i> find a problem, then Toyota can say -- "It was such a subtle problem, it took NASA's resources and expertise to find and fix it."       </p><p>Either way, it can be spun positively by the PR folks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If NASA can not find a problem , then Toyota is off the hook.If NASA does find a problem , then Toyota can say -- " It was such a subtle problem , it took NASA 's resources and expertise to find and fix it .
" Either way , it can be spun positively by the PR folks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If NASA cannot find a problem, then Toyota is off the hook.If NASA does find a problem, then Toyota can say -- "It was such a subtle problem, it took NASA's resources and expertise to find and fix it.
"       Either way, it can be spun positively by the PR folks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31682948</id>
	<title>Re:This will be interesting.</title>
	<author>brad3378</author>
	<datestamp>1269971160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe younger drivers are more likely to notice the problem sooner and shift into neutral faster than older drivers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe younger drivers are more likely to notice the problem sooner and shift into neutral faster than older drivers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe younger drivers are more likely to notice the problem sooner and shift into neutral faster than older drivers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677538</id>
	<title>units</title>
	<author>spoonist</author>
	<datestamp>1269943380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NASA don't forget <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1430236/NASA-Sticking-To-Imperial-Units-For-Shuttle-Replacement?from=rss" title="slashdot.org">imperial vs metric</a> [slashdot.org] in your analysis.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NASA do n't forget imperial vs metric [ slashdot.org ] in your analysis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASA don't forget imperial vs metric [slashdot.org] in your analysis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677650</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1269943800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But one would think that EMI wouldn't result in several cases of the exact same system failure.</p></div></blockquote><p>Depends.  It's entirely possible for EMI or other phenomena to cause reproducible errors if component tolerances are insufficient.  If you have, for example, two signal lines in a processor that are really close together, you could have leakage from one line into the other that isn't enough to trigger a logic high on the other line, but a power surge caused by somebody shutting off the dome light at the right time could be enough to push it over the edge.  In that case, you'd expect it to be highly clustered in a single signal line.  A similar power surge could be caused by other things, too, like a nearby lightning strike, induction caused by driving under high tension lines, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But one would think that EMI would n't result in several cases of the exact same system failure.Depends .
It 's entirely possible for EMI or other phenomena to cause reproducible errors if component tolerances are insufficient .
If you have , for example , two signal lines in a processor that are really close together , you could have leakage from one line into the other that is n't enough to trigger a logic high on the other line , but a power surge caused by somebody shutting off the dome light at the right time could be enough to push it over the edge .
In that case , you 'd expect it to be highly clustered in a single signal line .
A similar power surge could be caused by other things , too , like a nearby lightning strike , induction caused by driving under high tension lines , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But one would think that EMI wouldn't result in several cases of the exact same system failure.Depends.
It's entirely possible for EMI or other phenomena to cause reproducible errors if component tolerances are insufficient.
If you have, for example, two signal lines in a processor that are really close together, you could have leakage from one line into the other that isn't enough to trigger a logic high on the other line, but a power surge caused by somebody shutting off the dome light at the right time could be enough to push it over the edge.
In that case, you'd expect it to be highly clustered in a single signal line.
A similar power surge could be caused by other things, too, like a nearby lightning strike, induction caused by driving under high tension lines, etc.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677708</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269944100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have no experience at all in embedded systems they are all wrench monkeys.  They probability did not know that cars need computers.  They have admitted as much to congress. NASA is not who I would have called I would have setup an X- prize and watched the fun...Money would be on MIT but Caltech and some others would be strong contenders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have no experience at all in embedded systems they are all wrench monkeys .
They probability did not know that cars need computers .
They have admitted as much to congress .
NASA is not who I would have called I would have setup an X- prize and watched the fun...Money would be on MIT but Caltech and some others would be strong contenders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have no experience at all in embedded systems they are all wrench monkeys.
They probability did not know that cars need computers.
They have admitted as much to congress.
NASA is not who I would have called I would have setup an X- prize and watched the fun...Money would be on MIT but Caltech and some others would be strong contenders.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677660</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1269943860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, now, it would be *pretty* low to try to fob off the whole disaster on a record company.  They might be unpopular these days, but even this is pushing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , now , it would be * pretty * low to try to fob off the whole disaster on a record company .
They might be unpopular these days , but even this is pushing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, now, it would be *pretty* low to try to fob off the whole disaster on a record company.
They might be unpopular these days, but even this is pushing it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676882</id>
	<title>NASA involved because of aviation incidents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269941340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe NASA is the government agency that handles "incidents" in the aviation world.  Incidents are wrong things that happened that do not rise to the level of accidents.  The sudden acceleration reported in cars is very much the auto equivalent of what they have looked into for decades on the aviation side.<br> <br>

--<br>
<a href="http://www.perpenso.com/calc/" title="perpenso.com">Perpenso Calc</a> [perpenso.com] for iPhone and iPod touch, scientific and bill/tip calculator, fractions, complex numbers, RPN</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe NASA is the government agency that handles " incidents " in the aviation world .
Incidents are wrong things that happened that do not rise to the level of accidents .
The sudden acceleration reported in cars is very much the auto equivalent of what they have looked into for decades on the aviation side .
-- Perpenso Calc [ perpenso.com ] for iPhone and iPod touch , scientific and bill/tip calculator , fractions , complex numbers , RPN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe NASA is the government agency that handles "incidents" in the aviation world.
Incidents are wrong things that happened that do not rise to the level of accidents.
The sudden acceleration reported in cars is very much the auto equivalent of what they have looked into for decades on the aviation side.
--
Perpenso Calc [perpenso.com] for iPhone and iPod touch, scientific and bill/tip calculator, fractions, complex numbers, RPN</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677990</id>
	<title>Re:Floor Mats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269945360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One possible theory is that interference (internal or external) is causing signals between parts to become corrupted. My understanding (having RTFA) is that they are focusing on the electrical engineering aspects of it. I would imagine that NASA, needing to design and test equipment in the harsh environment of space, is pretty darn good at exactly that.</p></div></blockquote><p>The harsh environment of space has roughly nothing to do with the electrical engineering aspects however...  Boeing (and pretty much any other major aircraft manufacturer) has to deal with the same issues in their electronic controls and glass cockpits.  Any one of a dozen or more big companies (like IBM), and a couple of hundred smaller ones have to deal with the same issues when providing equipment to Boeing (and pretty much any other major aircraft manufacturer), or to the DoD, or even for the consumer market.  The same goes for even places you might not think of - like Electric Boat.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Then there's the various government bodies...  NASA, NIST, the USN's weapons geeks out at China Lake, whatever the USAF's counterpart to China Lake is, LANL, LLNL, Sandia...<br>
&nbsp; <br>Dealing with EMI is part-and-parcel of modern electric and electronic engineering and has been for a couple of decades now.<br>
&nbsp; <br>If NASA is being brought aboard, it's likely for the cachet of having "real rocket scientists" helping with the problem as much as anything else.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One possible theory is that interference ( internal or external ) is causing signals between parts to become corrupted .
My understanding ( having RTFA ) is that they are focusing on the electrical engineering aspects of it .
I would imagine that NASA , needing to design and test equipment in the harsh environment of space , is pretty darn good at exactly that.The harsh environment of space has roughly nothing to do with the electrical engineering aspects however... Boeing ( and pretty much any other major aircraft manufacturer ) has to deal with the same issues in their electronic controls and glass cockpits .
Any one of a dozen or more big companies ( like IBM ) , and a couple of hundred smaller ones have to deal with the same issues when providing equipment to Boeing ( and pretty much any other major aircraft manufacturer ) , or to the DoD , or even for the consumer market .
The same goes for even places you might not think of - like Electric Boat .
  Then there 's the various government bodies... NASA , NIST , the USN 's weapons geeks out at China Lake , whatever the USAF 's counterpart to China Lake is , LANL , LLNL , Sandia.. .   Dealing with EMI is part-and-parcel of modern electric and electronic engineering and has been for a couple of decades now .
  If NASA is being brought aboard , it 's likely for the cachet of having " real rocket scientists " helping with the problem as much as anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One possible theory is that interference (internal or external) is causing signals between parts to become corrupted.
My understanding (having RTFA) is that they are focusing on the electrical engineering aspects of it.
I would imagine that NASA, needing to design and test equipment in the harsh environment of space, is pretty darn good at exactly that.The harsh environment of space has roughly nothing to do with the electrical engineering aspects however...  Boeing (and pretty much any other major aircraft manufacturer) has to deal with the same issues in their electronic controls and glass cockpits.
Any one of a dozen or more big companies (like IBM), and a couple of hundred smaller ones have to deal with the same issues when providing equipment to Boeing (and pretty much any other major aircraft manufacturer), or to the DoD, or even for the consumer market.
The same goes for even places you might not think of - like Electric Boat.
  Then there's the various government bodies...  NASA, NIST, the USN's weapons geeks out at China Lake, whatever the USAF's counterpart to China Lake is, LANL, LLNL, Sandia...
  Dealing with EMI is part-and-parcel of modern electric and electronic engineering and has been for a couple of decades now.
  If NASA is being brought aboard, it's likely for the cachet of having "real rocket scientists" helping with the problem as much as anything else.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676656</id>
	<title>Waste of tax dollars (thankfully not mine)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>G.D. on a popsicle stick!</p><p>NASA can't fix stupid drivers.</p><p>There is nothing wrong with these cars. It is driver error.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>G.D. on a popsicle stick ! NASA ca n't fix stupid drivers.There is nothing wrong with these cars .
It is driver error .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>G.D. on a popsicle stick!NASA can't fix stupid drivers.There is nothing wrong with these cars.
It is driver error.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676052</id>
	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>Mindcontrolled</author>
	<datestamp>1269982020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, so when a private corporation fubars something, you gotta roll in the government funded engineers to fix it? Interesting, interesting...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , so when a private corporation fubars something , you got ta roll in the government funded engineers to fix it ?
Interesting , interesting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, so when a private corporation fubars something, you gotta roll in the government funded engineers to fix it?
Interesting, interesting...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676824</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm...</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1269941220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nah. When a private corporation fubars over something as important as cars, there is usually an investigation by a government organization. The news here is that this one organization needs to borrow engineers from another <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/2022204/NHTSA-Has-No-Software-Engineers-To-Analyze-Toyota" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">to do it properly</a> [slashdot.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah .
When a private corporation fubars over something as important as cars , there is usually an investigation by a government organization .
The news here is that this one organization needs to borrow engineers from another to do it properly [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah.
When a private corporation fubars over something as important as cars, there is usually an investigation by a government organization.
The news here is that this one organization needs to borrow engineers from another to do it properly [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31677164</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1269942120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice theory, but Toyota's problems predate the Government acquisition of GM (by several years).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice theory , but Toyota 's problems predate the Government acquisition of GM ( by several years ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice theory, but Toyota's problems predate the Government acquisition of GM (by several years).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676450</id>
	<title>Re:Spend MILLIONS of dollars..</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1269940080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I'm sure that John Saylor who was trained as a CHP officer for driving in adverse conditions at high speeds was totally just hitting the wrong pedal when he and his family were killed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'm sure that John Saylor who was trained as a CHP officer for driving in adverse conditions at high speeds was totally just hitting the wrong pedal when he and his family were killed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'm sure that John Saylor who was trained as a CHP officer for driving in adverse conditions at high speeds was totally just hitting the wrong pedal when he and his family were killed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31679198</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1269950760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I tell people regarding software, "there's user error, and then there's user error that could be better handled."  If the user error could be better handled, the software vendor should handle the user error properly.</p><p>The same goes for cars.  If the pedal design in certain Audis was a contributing factor to the accidents, then the pedal design should be changed (and was).  If Toyota makes the same mistakes years later it too should be accountable for error-prone designs.</p><p>However my guess is it's some sort of cascade failure from elsewhere.  Some device fails in a way that is out of spec, a piece of solder cracks, something gets inadvertently grounded out, and suddenly the software is doing the wrong things.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I tell people regarding software , " there 's user error , and then there 's user error that could be better handled .
" If the user error could be better handled , the software vendor should handle the user error properly.The same goes for cars .
If the pedal design in certain Audis was a contributing factor to the accidents , then the pedal design should be changed ( and was ) .
If Toyota makes the same mistakes years later it too should be accountable for error-prone designs.However my guess is it 's some sort of cascade failure from elsewhere .
Some device fails in a way that is out of spec , a piece of solder cracks , something gets inadvertently grounded out , and suddenly the software is doing the wrong things.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I tell people regarding software, "there's user error, and then there's user error that could be better handled.
"  If the user error could be better handled, the software vendor should handle the user error properly.The same goes for cars.
If the pedal design in certain Audis was a contributing factor to the accidents, then the pedal design should be changed (and was).
If Toyota makes the same mistakes years later it too should be accountable for error-prone designs.However my guess is it's some sort of cascade failure from elsewhere.
Some device fails in a way that is out of spec, a piece of solder cracks, something gets inadvertently grounded out, and suddenly the software is doing the wrong things.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676848</id>
	<title>Re:Queue joke...</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1269941280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah...</p><p>How many Russians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?</p><p>Two. But don't ask how they got in there....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah...How many Russians does it take to screw in a lightbulb ? Two .
But do n't ask how they got in there... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah...How many Russians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?Two.
But don't ask how they got in there....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31684126</id>
	<title>Makes me think of Richard Feynman</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1270068480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers\_Commission#Role\_of\_Richard\_Feynman" title="wikipedia.org">role he played</a> [wikipedia.org] in investigating the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space\_Shuttle\_Challenger\_disaster" title="wikipedia.org">Challenger disaster</a> [wikipedia.org].</p><p>It's too bad he's not around to help out with the Toyota mystery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the role he played [ wikipedia.org ] in investigating the Challenger disaster [ wikipedia.org ] .It 's too bad he 's not around to help out with the Toyota mystery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the role he played [wikipedia.org] in investigating the Challenger disaster [wikipedia.org].It's too bad he's not around to help out with the Toyota mystery.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1753218.31676744</id>
	<title>Now we are in trouble</title>
	<author>kpainter</author>
	<datestamp>1269940980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A billion dollars later and my Prius will be a Chevy pickup.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A billion dollars later and my Prius will be a Chevy pickup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A billion dollars later and my Prius will be a Chevy pickup.</sentencetext>
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