<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_30_1434209</id>
	<title>How To Build Roads To Control How Fast You Drive</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1269962460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"They're the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to <a href="http://www.infrastructurist.com/2010/03/23/can-roads-control-your-driving-the-truth-about-safety-enhancing-road-design/">encourage automobilists to drive less quickly</a>, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment. And now new research shows that, if built right, they just might work. A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street environment. Through the use of roadside parking, tighter building setbacks, and more commercial land uses, road designers can make drivers  subconsciously drive more slowly."</i>  All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " They 're the holy grail of transportation engineering : streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly , reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment .
And now new research shows that , if built right , they just might work .
A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street environment .
Through the use of roadside parking , tighter building setbacks , and more commercial land uses , road designers can make drivers subconsciously drive more slowly .
" All of that is gon na work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "They're the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.
And now new research shows that, if built right, they just might work.
A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street environment.
Through the use of roadside parking, tighter building setbacks, and more commercial land uses, road designers can make drivers  subconsciously drive more slowly.
"  All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671572</id>
	<title>Auto . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. . . mobilists?  Really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
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mobilists ? Really ?</tokentext>
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mobilists?  Really?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31681820</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>HeadlessNotAHorseman</author>
	<datestamp>1269963120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Portuguese system sounds great - it's instantaneous feedback which is much better for prevention. I've seen similar in Australia at times, usually in remote areas, they have a sign showing you your speed (and in one case they even showed a sad or smiley face depending on if you were going too fast!). After you've been driving for 2-3 hours at 100km/h and have to drop to 50km/h to go through a town, it's helpful to have a little feedback.<br>
&nbsp; <br>In Australia we have a lot of speed cameras which I imagine are much less effective because you don't find out you were caught speeding until a week or so later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Portuguese system sounds great - it 's instantaneous feedback which is much better for prevention .
I 've seen similar in Australia at times , usually in remote areas , they have a sign showing you your speed ( and in one case they even showed a sad or smiley face depending on if you were going too fast ! ) .
After you 've been driving for 2-3 hours at 100km/h and have to drop to 50km/h to go through a town , it 's helpful to have a little feedback .
  In Australia we have a lot of speed cameras which I imagine are much less effective because you do n't find out you were caught speeding until a week or so later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Portuguese system sounds great - it's instantaneous feedback which is much better for prevention.
I've seen similar in Australia at times, usually in remote areas, they have a sign showing you your speed (and in one case they even showed a sad or smiley face depending on if you were going too fast!).
After you've been driving for 2-3 hours at 100km/h and have to drop to 50km/h to go through a town, it's helpful to have a little feedback.
  In Australia we have a lot of speed cameras which I imagine are much less effective because you don't find out you were caught speeding until a week or so later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675704</id>
	<title>Or...</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1269980760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...more people are going to get mowed down when they try to cross the street.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...more people are going to get mowed down when they try to cross the street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...more people are going to get mowed down when they try to cross the street.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674178</id>
	<title>Why so much hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269974700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With all the anger and condemnation flying around on here it seems like a lot of us are missing out on exactly what this study is and what it isn't.</p><p>What it is:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - A study of existing roads in Connecticut that evaluates the actual accident rate and driving speeds of roadways throughout the state.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - An evaluation of those resulting numbers that finds a common cause for otherwise similar roads that have different accident rates and average speeds.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Evidence supporting the conclusion that human psychology systematically influences our driving habits more than posted speed limits do.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Evidence supporting the conclusion that the design philosophy of American highway safety is fundamentally limited.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - A starting place in American academic civic design research that explains the <a href="http://blog.pps.org/what-can-we-learn-from-the-dutch-self-explaining-roads/" title="pps.org" rel="nofollow">amazing results</a> [pps.org] other countries are experiencing .</p><p>What it is not:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - A blanket recommendation to pile up distractions and dangers on roads.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Anything to do with speed bumps.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - A rejection of the "safer is better" design philosophy.  Safer roads still save lives, but making roads safer by making them more "fault tolerant" has limited utility in actually minimizing harm.</p><p>I'm glad we are starting to realize the extent to which psychology and unconscious judgments effect our driving habits.  It's time to recognize the great things we've done as a country to limit harm from driving, recognize the limits of those practices, and investigate new ways to further increase safety.</p><p>-Grae</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the anger and condemnation flying around on here it seems like a lot of us are missing out on exactly what this study is and what it is n't.What it is :           - A study of existing roads in Connecticut that evaluates the actual accident rate and driving speeds of roadways throughout the state .
          - An evaluation of those resulting numbers that finds a common cause for otherwise similar roads that have different accident rates and average speeds .
          - Evidence supporting the conclusion that human psychology systematically influences our driving habits more than posted speed limits do .
          - Evidence supporting the conclusion that the design philosophy of American highway safety is fundamentally limited .
          - A starting place in American academic civic design research that explains the amazing results [ pps.org ] other countries are experiencing .What it is not :           - A blanket recommendation to pile up distractions and dangers on roads .
          - Anything to do with speed bumps .
          - A rejection of the " safer is better " design philosophy .
Safer roads still save lives , but making roads safer by making them more " fault tolerant " has limited utility in actually minimizing harm.I 'm glad we are starting to realize the extent to which psychology and unconscious judgments effect our driving habits .
It 's time to recognize the great things we 've done as a country to limit harm from driving , recognize the limits of those practices , and investigate new ways to further increase safety.-Grae</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the anger and condemnation flying around on here it seems like a lot of us are missing out on exactly what this study is and what it isn't.What it is:
          - A study of existing roads in Connecticut that evaluates the actual accident rate and driving speeds of roadways throughout the state.
          - An evaluation of those resulting numbers that finds a common cause for otherwise similar roads that have different accident rates and average speeds.
          - Evidence supporting the conclusion that human psychology systematically influences our driving habits more than posted speed limits do.
          - Evidence supporting the conclusion that the design philosophy of American highway safety is fundamentally limited.
          - A starting place in American academic civic design research that explains the amazing results [pps.org] other countries are experiencing .What it is not:
          - A blanket recommendation to pile up distractions and dangers on roads.
          - Anything to do with speed bumps.
          - A rejection of the "safer is better" design philosophy.
Safer roads still save lives, but making roads safer by making them more "fault tolerant" has limited utility in actually minimizing harm.I'm glad we are starting to realize the extent to which psychology and unconscious judgments effect our driving habits.
It's time to recognize the great things we've done as a country to limit harm from driving, recognize the limits of those practices, and investigate new ways to further increase safety.-Grae</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31677474</id>
	<title>Re:We found a subtle way... (proof of the premise)</title>
	<author>eli173</author>
	<datestamp>1269943140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now you need to build a contraption based on those marble machine things, but for basketballs or soccer balls.  Work with a neighbour across the street, and set it up to bounce a ball from your house to theirs and back on a 5-15 minute interval.   Make sure that the view of the ball's source is hidden from drivers.</p><p>Now instead of "oh look, kids outside playing, must slow down" it'll be "oh! ball about to be chased by kid and I'll hit them, must slam on brakes!"</p><p>Much more entertaining, not even counting the design and building of the contraption.  Oh, and less exercise than actually playing basketball outside, so it must be genius!  And the future lessons in legal liability will also be quite thorough, I'm sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now you need to build a contraption based on those marble machine things , but for basketballs or soccer balls .
Work with a neighbour across the street , and set it up to bounce a ball from your house to theirs and back on a 5-15 minute interval .
Make sure that the view of the ball 's source is hidden from drivers.Now instead of " oh look , kids outside playing , must slow down " it 'll be " oh !
ball about to be chased by kid and I 'll hit them , must slam on brakes !
" Much more entertaining , not even counting the design and building of the contraption .
Oh , and less exercise than actually playing basketball outside , so it must be genius !
And the future lessons in legal liability will also be quite thorough , I 'm sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now you need to build a contraption based on those marble machine things, but for basketballs or soccer balls.
Work with a neighbour across the street, and set it up to bounce a ball from your house to theirs and back on a 5-15 minute interval.
Make sure that the view of the ball's source is hidden from drivers.Now instead of "oh look, kids outside playing, must slow down" it'll be "oh!
ball about to be chased by kid and I'll hit them, must slam on brakes!
"Much more entertaining, not even counting the design and building of the contraption.
Oh, and less exercise than actually playing basketball outside, so it must be genius!
And the future lessons in legal liability will also be quite thorough, I'm sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675144</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1269978600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs. When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going. And that's all. No penalties.</p></div><p>
They tried that where I live, too.  Unfortunately, I guess we Yanks are lot more shameless.  Over here, we would only <i>speed up</i> to see how high we could get the numbers on those signs.  I had a friend-of-a-friend (no, really!) who tried that, but didn't think it through very well because he did that at the same location at the same time every day.  Apparently, those signs have a time stamp and record the speed of cars passing by, because after a couple of days, there was a police car waiting for him as he came blasting past the sign 8*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning ' signs .
When you approach them , if you are exceeding the speed limit , they light up and tell you ( and anyone behind you ) how fast you are going .
And that 's all .
No penalties .
They tried that where I live , too .
Unfortunately , I guess we Yanks are lot more shameless .
Over here , we would only speed up to see how high we could get the numbers on those signs .
I had a friend-of-a-friend ( no , really !
) who tried that , but did n't think it through very well because he did that at the same location at the same time every day .
Apparently , those signs have a time stamp and record the speed of cars passing by , because after a couple of days , there was a police car waiting for him as he came blasting past the sign 8 *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs.
When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going.
And that's all.
No penalties.
They tried that where I live, too.
Unfortunately, I guess we Yanks are lot more shameless.
Over here, we would only speed up to see how high we could get the numbers on those signs.
I had a friend-of-a-friend (no, really!
) who tried that, but didn't think it through very well because he did that at the same location at the same time every day.
Apparently, those signs have a time stamp and record the speed of cars passing by, because after a couple of days, there was a police car waiting for him as he came blasting past the sign 8*
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31680364</id>
	<title>Formula 1</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1269955800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To encourage drivers to slow down, they use CHICANES.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To encourage drivers to slow down , they use CHICANES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To encourage drivers to slow down, they use CHICANES.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674840</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Maximum Prophet</author>
	<datestamp>1269977100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have the "speed warning" signs in the US, at least in Virginia.  Some are permanent, some are on mobile platforms.  I think they'd have more effect they all *looked* like they had cameras.
<br> <br>
Herndon Virginia had traffic lights that switched to red if you were speeding.  AFAIK, they've removed them, but I don't know why.  Given the way Virginians drive, the light was probably always red until traffic backed up past the sensor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have the " speed warning " signs in the US , at least in Virginia .
Some are permanent , some are on mobile platforms .
I think they 'd have more effect they all * looked * like they had cameras .
Herndon Virginia had traffic lights that switched to red if you were speeding .
AFAIK , they 've removed them , but I do n't know why .
Given the way Virginians drive , the light was probably always red until traffic backed up past the sensor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have the "speed warning" signs in the US, at least in Virginia.
Some are permanent, some are on mobile platforms.
I think they'd have more effect they all *looked* like they had cameras.
Herndon Virginia had traffic lights that switched to red if you were speeding.
AFAIK, they've removed them, but I don't know why.
Given the way Virginians drive, the light was probably always red until traffic backed up past the sensor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673090</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269971100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?</p><p>Unreasonably low speed limits help to ensure that there will always be plenty of "speeders" available to fine. When government needs quick cash, the cops don't have to wait around too long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet , our speed limits have decreased.. Why ? Unreasonably low speed limits help to ensure that there will always be plenty of " speeders " available to fine .
When government needs quick cash , the cops do n't have to wait around too long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?Unreasonably low speed limits help to ensure that there will always be plenty of "speeders" available to fine.
When government needs quick cash, the cops don't have to wait around too long.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674616</id>
	<title>The technology solution</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1269976320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Require all new cars to have computer controled throttle limiters, with built in GPS. THe computer knows when you are driving in a 30mph zone, and limits the speed to 30mph.<br>
&nbsp; Later on you can require older vehicles to be retrofitted with the device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Require all new cars to have computer controled throttle limiters , with built in GPS .
THe computer knows when you are driving in a 30mph zone , and limits the speed to 30mph .
  Later on you can require older vehicles to be retrofitted with the device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Require all new cars to have computer controled throttle limiters, with built in GPS.
THe computer knows when you are driving in a 30mph zone, and limits the speed to 30mph.
  Later on you can require older vehicles to be retrofitted with the device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31678360</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Kanasta</author>
	<datestamp>1269946800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting.  Cuz here, it seems traffic lights are timed by street length, so that if you go anywhere less than<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/20 over the speed limit/ you will be hit with red after red after red...<br>The only way to get a string of greens is to go 20 over or 30 under.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
Cuz here , it seems traffic lights are timed by street length , so that if you go anywhere less than /20 over the speed limit/ you will be hit with red after red after red...The only way to get a string of greens is to go 20 over or 30 under .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
Cuz here, it seems traffic lights are timed by street length, so that if you go anywhere less than /20 over the speed limit/ you will be hit with red after red after red...The only way to get a string of greens is to go 20 over or 30 under.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674602</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269976200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone directly behind the habitual speeder is, most likely, also speeding. I doubt they care about the red light any more than the person that got busted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone directly behind the habitual speeder is , most likely , also speeding .
I doubt they care about the red light any more than the person that got busted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone directly behind the habitual speeder is, most likely, also speeding.
I doubt they care about the red light any more than the person that got busted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673806</id>
	<title>My town in CT has experimented with road surface</title>
	<author>fprintf</author>
	<datestamp>1269973440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My town (in Connecticut) has inadvertently experimented with varying driver speed based on road surface quality. In the street leading up to my neighborhood it used to be quite bumpy and potholed. The speed limit was 25 mph and on a good day you could do 30 mph. Two years ago they repaved it because of complaints from residents... the result was a very nice smooth surface with no additional impediments, and my observed average speed is 45 mph. Now the police regularly patrol this road and always have someone pulled over when I drive home from work. Since the town does not get revenue from tickets the patrol officer is part of my tax expense. I'd say it was not worth it.</p><p>Another road in town has a section that is washed out from the recent rainy NE weather. Again we all have to slow down to the posted speed limit. I propose we simply repair our roads to a minimal degree instead of following what the CT DOT suggests!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My town ( in Connecticut ) has inadvertently experimented with varying driver speed based on road surface quality .
In the street leading up to my neighborhood it used to be quite bumpy and potholed .
The speed limit was 25 mph and on a good day you could do 30 mph .
Two years ago they repaved it because of complaints from residents... the result was a very nice smooth surface with no additional impediments , and my observed average speed is 45 mph .
Now the police regularly patrol this road and always have someone pulled over when I drive home from work .
Since the town does not get revenue from tickets the patrol officer is part of my tax expense .
I 'd say it was not worth it.Another road in town has a section that is washed out from the recent rainy NE weather .
Again we all have to slow down to the posted speed limit .
I propose we simply repair our roads to a minimal degree instead of following what the CT DOT suggests !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My town (in Connecticut) has inadvertently experimented with varying driver speed based on road surface quality.
In the street leading up to my neighborhood it used to be quite bumpy and potholed.
The speed limit was 25 mph and on a good day you could do 30 mph.
Two years ago they repaved it because of complaints from residents... the result was a very nice smooth surface with no additional impediments, and my observed average speed is 45 mph.
Now the police regularly patrol this road and always have someone pulled over when I drive home from work.
Since the town does not get revenue from tickets the patrol officer is part of my tax expense.
I'd say it was not worth it.Another road in town has a section that is washed out from the recent rainy NE weather.
Again we all have to slow down to the posted speed limit.
I propose we simply repair our roads to a minimal degree instead of following what the CT DOT suggests!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31680292</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269955560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That sounds like a beautiful idea.</p><p>I had a similar idea for parking lots, but I never tried to fund it.</p><p>Pneumatic speed bumps. If you speed, they pump up, if not, no bump...</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Custard-Filled\_20Speed\_20Bumps" title="halfbakery.com" rel="nofollow">You're not the first!</a> [halfbakery.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds like a beautiful idea.I had a similar idea for parking lots , but I never tried to fund it.Pneumatic speed bumps .
If you speed , they pump up , if not , no bump... You 're not the first !
[ halfbakery.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds like a beautiful idea.I had a similar idea for parking lots, but I never tried to fund it.Pneumatic speed bumps.
If you speed, they pump up, if not, no bump... You're not the first!
[halfbakery.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674772</id>
	<title>Looking at the wrong side of the issue.</title>
	<author>singingjim1</author>
	<datestamp>1269976860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better built and safer cars with active restraint systems. Better drivers. Better roads. Faster and SAFER speeds. Driving age should be raised to 18 and mandatory vision and driving tests every 3 years for drivers over 70. We don't need roads to slow us down, we need technology to speed us up safely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better built and safer cars with active restraint systems .
Better drivers .
Better roads .
Faster and SAFER speeds .
Driving age should be raised to 18 and mandatory vision and driving tests every 3 years for drivers over 70 .
We do n't need roads to slow us down , we need technology to speed us up safely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better built and safer cars with active restraint systems.
Better drivers.
Better roads.
Faster and SAFER speeds.
Driving age should be raised to 18 and mandatory vision and driving tests every 3 years for drivers over 70.
We don't need roads to slow us down, we need technology to speed us up safely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31693656</id>
	<title>Rocks</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1270031100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Vermont we have cliffs on the sides of the roads that encourage speeders to stop. The pot holes and frost heaves also serve to enforce speed limits. People foolish enough to drive to fast get caught in the mud when they stop or spin their tires. It is very effective. Fight pavement. Keep dirt roads!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Vermont we have cliffs on the sides of the roads that encourage speeders to stop .
The pot holes and frost heaves also serve to enforce speed limits .
People foolish enough to drive to fast get caught in the mud when they stop or spin their tires .
It is very effective .
Fight pavement .
Keep dirt roads !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Vermont we have cliffs on the sides of the roads that encourage speeders to stop.
The pot holes and frost heaves also serve to enforce speed limits.
People foolish enough to drive to fast get caught in the mud when they stop or spin their tires.
It is very effective.
Fight pavement.
Keep dirt roads!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673136</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269971220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?</p></div><p>Why? To maximize ticket revenue, duh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cars today have more horsepower , more traction , better safety , and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet , our speed limits have decreased.. Why ? Why ? To maximize ticket revenue , duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?Why? To maximize ticket revenue, duh.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671990</id>
	<title>der, slowar is safar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the same dingbatted "slowar is safar" logic my aunt has.  She'll be passing a pulled over car on a narrow road with a high speed limit, requiring her to go into the oncoming traffic lane...  and she slows down to idle and CRAWLS around it at, making sure she is in the high-risk "wrong lane" position for as long as humanly possible, because driving slower and being able to come to a stop faster is ALWAYS safer.</p><p>Safe following distances, maintaining good visibility, coasting through high risk intersections with your foot already over the brake, and reducing speed WHEN BENEFICIAL are great driving practices.  But setting up distracting (storefronts), low visibility (line of 30 SUVS parked RIGHT along the road, often with pedestrians weaving between them) and otherwise outright dangerous driving conditions because they will scare people into slowing down is so stupid I'd like to smack around everyone involved in this study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the same dingbatted " slowar is safar " logic my aunt has .
She 'll be passing a pulled over car on a narrow road with a high speed limit , requiring her to go into the oncoming traffic lane... and she slows down to idle and CRAWLS around it at , making sure she is in the high-risk " wrong lane " position for as long as humanly possible , because driving slower and being able to come to a stop faster is ALWAYS safer.Safe following distances , maintaining good visibility , coasting through high risk intersections with your foot already over the brake , and reducing speed WHEN BENEFICIAL are great driving practices .
But setting up distracting ( storefronts ) , low visibility ( line of 30 SUVS parked RIGHT along the road , often with pedestrians weaving between them ) and otherwise outright dangerous driving conditions because they will scare people into slowing down is so stupid I 'd like to smack around everyone involved in this study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the same dingbatted "slowar is safar" logic my aunt has.
She'll be passing a pulled over car on a narrow road with a high speed limit, requiring her to go into the oncoming traffic lane...  and she slows down to idle and CRAWLS around it at, making sure she is in the high-risk "wrong lane" position for as long as humanly possible, because driving slower and being able to come to a stop faster is ALWAYS safer.Safe following distances, maintaining good visibility, coasting through high risk intersections with your foot already over the brake, and reducing speed WHEN BENEFICIAL are great driving practices.
But setting up distracting (storefronts), low visibility (line of 30 SUVS parked RIGHT along the road, often with pedestrians weaving between them) and otherwise outright dangerous driving conditions because they will scare people into slowing down is so stupid I'd like to smack around everyone involved in this study.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674340</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269975240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?"</p><p>Better safety for the driver. Less safety for pedestrians, motorcyclists, and often other drivers. So slow the hell down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Cars today have more horsepower , more traction , better safety , and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet , our speed limits have decreased. .
Why ? " Better safety for the driver .
Less safety for pedestrians , motorcyclists , and often other drivers .
So slow the hell down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased..
Why?"Better safety for the driver.
Less safety for pedestrians, motorcyclists, and often other drivers.
So slow the hell down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674432</id>
	<title>Re:Roundabouts?</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1269975600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Has serious consideration been given to this?</p></div><p>Yes. They're putting in quite a few around where I live. And they work pretty well. There are a few people that don't seem to handle them well. But I think that breaks down into two categories: Those that aren't familiar with them (give them some time and they'll learn), and drunks (roundabouts are going to be great places for the DUI patrols to set up).
</p><p>One problem with roundabouts in built-up areas: Not enough real-estate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has serious consideration been given to this ? Yes .
They 're putting in quite a few around where I live .
And they work pretty well .
There are a few people that do n't seem to handle them well .
But I think that breaks down into two categories : Those that are n't familiar with them ( give them some time and they 'll learn ) , and drunks ( roundabouts are going to be great places for the DUI patrols to set up ) .
One problem with roundabouts in built-up areas : Not enough real-estate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has serious consideration been given to this?Yes.
They're putting in quite a few around where I live.
And they work pretty well.
There are a few people that don't seem to handle them well.
But I think that breaks down into two categories: Those that aren't familiar with them (give them some time and they'll learn), and drunks (roundabouts are going to be great places for the DUI patrols to set up).
One problem with roundabouts in built-up areas: Not enough real-estate.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672050</id>
	<title>Fuck this article</title>
	<author>brxndxn</author>
	<datestamp>1269967920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, "holy grail of transportation engineering"?? Bullshit. The goal of transportation engineering should be to achieve the best balance of maximized capacity, efficiency, and safety. You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving. The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That's because it's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.</p><p>Here in Florida, the transportation engineers have decided that old people react slower. Therefore, all traffic lights change slower.. So that causes inattentive driving since people can be waiting as much as 5 minutes between lights. Then, people are very slow to start proceeding through the intersection once lights turn green - partly because desperate drivers run all the yellow lights because they have to wait another 5 minutes between lights. My argument would be that traffic rules should not change to accomodate for people unable to follow the rules. Chicago's lights change quickly at an intersection..</p><p>Also, our political wanker of a governor (Charlie Christ) decided he did not like the 'move over law' because he said it promoted speeding. So, people are free to sit in the left lane of major highways going under the speed limit while others try to get around them. Florida interstates are a clusterfuck.. Nobody moves over.. So you have a clump of cars bumper to bumper for a mile.. and then a mile of highway that hardly has anyone on it.. I would argue it would be safer to have an actual passing lane and allow people to spread out.</p><p>Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?</p><p>Traffic is an absolute mess.. and the idea that 'slower is safer' is contributing to that mess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , " holy grail of transportation engineering " ? ?
Bullshit. The goal of transportation engineering should be to achieve the best balance of maximized capacity , efficiency , and safety .
You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving .
The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That 's because it 's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.Here in Florida , the transportation engineers have decided that old people react slower .
Therefore , all traffic lights change slower.. So that causes inattentive driving since people can be waiting as much as 5 minutes between lights .
Then , people are very slow to start proceeding through the intersection once lights turn green - partly because desperate drivers run all the yellow lights because they have to wait another 5 minutes between lights .
My argument would be that traffic rules should not change to accomodate for people unable to follow the rules .
Chicago 's lights change quickly at an intersection..Also , our political wanker of a governor ( Charlie Christ ) decided he did not like the 'move over law ' because he said it promoted speeding .
So , people are free to sit in the left lane of major highways going under the speed limit while others try to get around them .
Florida interstates are a clusterfuck.. Nobody moves over.. So you have a clump of cars bumper to bumper for a mile.. and then a mile of highway that hardly has anyone on it.. I would argue it would be safer to have an actual passing lane and allow people to spread out.Cars today have more horsepower , more traction , better safety , and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet , our speed limits have decreased.. Why ? Traffic is an absolute mess.. and the idea that 'slower is safer ' is contributing to that mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, "holy grail of transportation engineering"??
Bullshit. The goal of transportation engineering should be to achieve the best balance of maximized capacity, efficiency, and safety.
You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving.
The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That's because it's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.Here in Florida, the transportation engineers have decided that old people react slower.
Therefore, all traffic lights change slower.. So that causes inattentive driving since people can be waiting as much as 5 minutes between lights.
Then, people are very slow to start proceeding through the intersection once lights turn green - partly because desperate drivers run all the yellow lights because they have to wait another 5 minutes between lights.
My argument would be that traffic rules should not change to accomodate for people unable to follow the rules.
Chicago's lights change quickly at an intersection..Also, our political wanker of a governor (Charlie Christ) decided he did not like the 'move over law' because he said it promoted speeding.
So, people are free to sit in the left lane of major highways going under the speed limit while others try to get around them.
Florida interstates are a clusterfuck.. Nobody moves over.. So you have a clump of cars bumper to bumper for a mile.. and then a mile of highway that hardly has anyone on it.. I would argue it would be safer to have an actual passing lane and allow people to spread out.Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?Traffic is an absolute mess.. and the idea that 'slower is safer' is contributing to that mess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673824</id>
	<title>NO MOAR CONSTRUCTION KTHX</title>
	<author>seandiggity</author>
	<datestamp>1269973500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please, please, please, may this study never encourage more construction work in Connecticut, let alone at UConn.  I have enough trouble getting to work as it is, and I don't think they'd pay attention to the study's conclusions anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , please , please , may this study never encourage more construction work in Connecticut , let alone at UConn .
I have enough trouble getting to work as it is , and I do n't think they 'd pay attention to the study 's conclusions anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, please, please, may this study never encourage more construction work in Connecticut, let alone at UConn.
I have enough trouble getting to work as it is, and I don't think they'd pay attention to the study's conclusions anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673984</id>
	<title>Re:Two basic ways to do it</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1269974040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, making driving less safe is a great way to increase safety<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>It doesn't matter how you do it, by intentionally reducing safety you are REDUCING SAFETY.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , making driving less safe is a great way to increase safety ...It does n't matter how you do it , by intentionally reducing safety you are REDUCING SAFETY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, making driving less safe is a great way to increase safety ...It doesn't matter how you do it, by intentionally reducing safety you are REDUCING SAFETY.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31678164</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>MrPhilby</author>
	<datestamp>1269946140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stopped would be even safer. Maybe a few cars parked directly across the road?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stopped would be even safer .
Maybe a few cars parked directly across the road ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stopped would be even safer.
Maybe a few cars parked directly across the road?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672806</id>
	<title>Re:Might have the opposite effect</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1269970260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...city planners would prefer it if just nobody drove at all...</p><p>Of course they'd rather you didn't drive.  It's much easier to control people when you can force them to use government-owned mass transit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; ...city planners would prefer it if just nobody drove at all...Of course they 'd rather you did n't drive .
It 's much easier to control people when you can force them to use government-owned mass transit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; ...city planners would prefer it if just nobody drove at all...Of course they'd rather you didn't drive.
It's much easier to control people when you can force them to use government-owned mass transit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31688074</id>
	<title>Doubt it will be implemented</title>
	<author>omegahelix</author>
	<datestamp>1270051740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If implemented, think of all the lost speeding ticket revenue the governments will have.  They aren't going to like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If implemented , think of all the lost speeding ticket revenue the governments will have .
They are n't going to like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If implemented, think of all the lost speeding ticket revenue the governments will have.
They aren't going to like that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676662</id>
	<title>Re:We found a subtle way... (proof of the premise)</title>
	<author>Ma8thew</author>
	<datestamp>1269940680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you could just teach your kids to be aware but not afraid of traffic and not to run into the road after a ball. And by the way, you seem to have some serious anger issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could just teach your kids to be aware but not afraid of traffic and not to run into the road after a ball .
And by the way , you seem to have some serious anger issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could just teach your kids to be aware but not afraid of traffic and not to run into the road after a ball.
And by the way, you seem to have some serious anger issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674540</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31687712</id>
	<title>Back the to drawing board please...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270050480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somebody should study the thought process used for their conclusions. In their way of thinking, I'd add that lining the streets with people and allowing 2 inches of space between them and the cars would slow the cars down even more. Until some drunk driver came along an took out a block or two of people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somebody should study the thought process used for their conclusions .
In their way of thinking , I 'd add that lining the streets with people and allowing 2 inches of space between them and the cars would slow the cars down even more .
Until some drunk driver came along an took out a block or two of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somebody should study the thought process used for their conclusions.
In their way of thinking, I'd add that lining the streets with people and allowing 2 inches of space between them and the cars would slow the cars down even more.
Until some drunk driver came along an took out a block or two of people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672570</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>HermDog</author>
	<datestamp>1269969540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs. When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going. And that's all. No penalties. They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas. I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state.
</p><p>
In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.
</p><p>
The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers. The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.</p></div><p>We have those in the US as well. We use them to see if our speedometers are calibrated as we fly past them.

</p><p>Roadside technology that *might* work here would be randomly located (and frequently moved) strobes that flash regardless whether there's a camera attached. Every time I see *that* flash (so far I've not been the driver posing for the closeup) I do pay more attention to my speed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning ' signs .
When you approach them , if you are exceeding the speed limit , they light up and tell you ( and anyone behind you ) how fast you are going .
And that 's all .
No penalties .
They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas .
I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state .
In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit , then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds , making you ( and again anyone behind you ) stop .
The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers .
The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.We have those in the US as well .
We use them to see if our speedometers are calibrated as we fly past them .
Roadside technology that * might * work here would be randomly located ( and frequently moved ) strobes that flash regardless whether there 's a camera attached .
Every time I see * that * flash ( so far I 've not been the driver posing for the closeup ) I do pay more attention to my speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs.
When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going.
And that's all.
No penalties.
They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas.
I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state.
In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.
The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers.
The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.We have those in the US as well.
We use them to see if our speedometers are calibrated as we fly past them.
Roadside technology that *might* work here would be randomly located (and frequently moved) strobes that flash regardless whether there's a camera attached.
Every time I see *that* flash (so far I've not been the driver posing for the closeup) I do pay more attention to my speed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</id>
	<title>Other strategies...</title>
	<author>petaflop</author>
	<datestamp>1269967080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs. When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going. And that's all. No penalties. They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas. I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state.
<p>
In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.
</p><p>
The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers. The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning ' signs .
When you approach them , if you are exceeding the speed limit , they light up and tell you ( and anyone behind you ) how fast you are going .
And that 's all .
No penalties .
They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas .
I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state .
In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit , then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds , making you ( and again anyone behind you ) stop .
The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers .
The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs.
When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going.
And that's all.
No penalties.
They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas.
I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state.
In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.
The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers.
The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673286</id>
	<title>Roundabouts?</title>
	<author>Spectre</author>
	<datestamp>1269971700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about other parts of the US, but throughout Kansas there are very few roundabouts.</p><p>I have one on my daily commute, everybody slows down for it, but it is far less of a time burden than a traffic light that would stop traffic half the time and require extra fuel to accelerate from a dead stop.</p><p>It would seem that replacing traffic light controlled intersections with roundabouts would lower speed, decrease fuel consumption, reduce electricity demand (eliminates traffic lights), and possibly even decrease drive time for commuters.  Has serious consideration been given to this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about other parts of the US , but throughout Kansas there are very few roundabouts.I have one on my daily commute , everybody slows down for it , but it is far less of a time burden than a traffic light that would stop traffic half the time and require extra fuel to accelerate from a dead stop.It would seem that replacing traffic light controlled intersections with roundabouts would lower speed , decrease fuel consumption , reduce electricity demand ( eliminates traffic lights ) , and possibly even decrease drive time for commuters .
Has serious consideration been given to this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about other parts of the US, but throughout Kansas there are very few roundabouts.I have one on my daily commute, everybody slows down for it, but it is far less of a time burden than a traffic light that would stop traffic half the time and require extra fuel to accelerate from a dead stop.It would seem that replacing traffic light controlled intersections with roundabouts would lower speed, decrease fuel consumption, reduce electricity demand (eliminates traffic lights), and possibly even decrease drive time for commuters.
Has serious consideration been given to this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673684</id>
	<title>don't agree</title>
	<author>durdur</author>
	<datestamp>1269973020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think TFA has a point. I have observed that the more something looks like a freeway, the more people drive on it like it was one. We have expressways in the SF Bay Area. These look pretty much like a freeway: have nice wide multiple lanes, with a barrier in between the two directions. But there's a big difference: they have stop lights. So people drive on these just like a freeway, but it's not as safe to do that on the expressway. The limit is 50 but it is widely ignored. Same thing with a wide street near my home that leads up to and turns into a freeway. It not only has stop lights, but it's curvy and has limited visibility ahead. But it's a nice wide divided road so people drive on it like bats out of hell, despite the 35mph limit.</p><p>So, one theory is that the drivers are smarter than the traffic engineers and it really is safe to drive over the limit. But I don't buy it. If you drove unsafely and it increased your chances of an accident 3x, you still have a low probability of anything bad happening. So people see no consequence (most of the time), they're inherently prone to over-confidence anyway (everyone is a good driver - right?) and besides, it's fun to drive fast (personally I don't get much of a kick from it but it appears many do). So - all good, no bad. Until the bad happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think TFA has a point .
I have observed that the more something looks like a freeway , the more people drive on it like it was one .
We have expressways in the SF Bay Area .
These look pretty much like a freeway : have nice wide multiple lanes , with a barrier in between the two directions .
But there 's a big difference : they have stop lights .
So people drive on these just like a freeway , but it 's not as safe to do that on the expressway .
The limit is 50 but it is widely ignored .
Same thing with a wide street near my home that leads up to and turns into a freeway .
It not only has stop lights , but it 's curvy and has limited visibility ahead .
But it 's a nice wide divided road so people drive on it like bats out of hell , despite the 35mph limit.So , one theory is that the drivers are smarter than the traffic engineers and it really is safe to drive over the limit .
But I do n't buy it .
If you drove unsafely and it increased your chances of an accident 3x , you still have a low probability of anything bad happening .
So people see no consequence ( most of the time ) , they 're inherently prone to over-confidence anyway ( everyone is a good driver - right ?
) and besides , it 's fun to drive fast ( personally I do n't get much of a kick from it but it appears many do ) .
So - all good , no bad .
Until the bad happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think TFA has a point.
I have observed that the more something looks like a freeway, the more people drive on it like it was one.
We have expressways in the SF Bay Area.
These look pretty much like a freeway: have nice wide multiple lanes, with a barrier in between the two directions.
But there's a big difference: they have stop lights.
So people drive on these just like a freeway, but it's not as safe to do that on the expressway.
The limit is 50 but it is widely ignored.
Same thing with a wide street near my home that leads up to and turns into a freeway.
It not only has stop lights, but it's curvy and has limited visibility ahead.
But it's a nice wide divided road so people drive on it like bats out of hell, despite the 35mph limit.So, one theory is that the drivers are smarter than the traffic engineers and it really is safe to drive over the limit.
But I don't buy it.
If you drove unsafely and it increased your chances of an accident 3x, you still have a low probability of anything bad happening.
So people see no consequence (most of the time), they're inherently prone to over-confidence anyway (everyone is a good driver - right?
) and besides, it's fun to drive fast (personally I don't get much of a kick from it but it appears many do).
So - all good, no bad.
Until the bad happens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671654</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>mdarksbane</author>
	<datestamp>1269966900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Studies show that drivers adjust to the speed at which they feel safe, regardless of posted speed. So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently *less* safe.</p><p>Also, similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.<br><a href="http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/" title="motorists.org">http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/</a> [motorists.org]</p><p>There's also the argument that restricting the ability to drive quickly kills, as you slow emergency response vehicles as well. <a href="http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance\_delays.htm" title="bromleytransport.org.uk">http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance\_delays.htm</a> [bromleytransport.org.uk]</p><p>All in all, one of the dumbest proposals I've ever heard. It seems that one of the easiest mistakes to make as an organization is to try to optimize for one contributing factor (speed) while ignoring the point of restricting that factor in the first place (reducing accidents).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Studies show that drivers adjust to the speed at which they feel safe , regardless of posted speed .
So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently * less * safe.Also , similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.http : //www.motorists.org/speedlimits/ [ motorists.org ] There 's also the argument that restricting the ability to drive quickly kills , as you slow emergency response vehicles as well .
http : //www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance \ _delays.htm [ bromleytransport.org.uk ] All in all , one of the dumbest proposals I 've ever heard .
It seems that one of the easiest mistakes to make as an organization is to try to optimize for one contributing factor ( speed ) while ignoring the point of restricting that factor in the first place ( reducing accidents ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Studies show that drivers adjust to the speed at which they feel safe, regardless of posted speed.
So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently *less* safe.Also, similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/ [motorists.org]There's also the argument that restricting the ability to drive quickly kills, as you slow emergency response vehicles as well.
http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance\_delays.htm [bromleytransport.org.uk]All in all, one of the dumbest proposals I've ever heard.
It seems that one of the easiest mistakes to make as an organization is to try to optimize for one contributing factor (speed) while ignoring the point of restricting that factor in the first place (reducing accidents).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674496</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>tool462</author>
	<datestamp>1269975840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some stop lights in California are set up in a similar way, but aimed more for reward rather than punishment.  There will be sensors set up a good distance from a major intersection.  It's the car equivalent of pushing the "walk" button at a crosswalk.  If you are going approximately the speed limit, the light will be green when you get to the intersection--no need to stop/start again.  However, if you are speeding, you will get stuck at the light, every time.  And since that stopping and starting takes time, your average speed is higher if you go the speed limit.  Going along a several mile stretch of road where the lights were configured this way, I would pass the speeding drivers at every intersection.  The bulk of drivers got the point though, and traffic generally flowed very smoothly in these areas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some stop lights in California are set up in a similar way , but aimed more for reward rather than punishment .
There will be sensors set up a good distance from a major intersection .
It 's the car equivalent of pushing the " walk " button at a crosswalk .
If you are going approximately the speed limit , the light will be green when you get to the intersection--no need to stop/start again .
However , if you are speeding , you will get stuck at the light , every time .
And since that stopping and starting takes time , your average speed is higher if you go the speed limit .
Going along a several mile stretch of road where the lights were configured this way , I would pass the speeding drivers at every intersection .
The bulk of drivers got the point though , and traffic generally flowed very smoothly in these areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some stop lights in California are set up in a similar way, but aimed more for reward rather than punishment.
There will be sensors set up a good distance from a major intersection.
It's the car equivalent of pushing the "walk" button at a crosswalk.
If you are going approximately the speed limit, the light will be green when you get to the intersection--no need to stop/start again.
However, if you are speeding, you will get stuck at the light, every time.
And since that stopping and starting takes time, your average speed is higher if you go the speed limit.
Going along a several mile stretch of road where the lights were configured this way, I would pass the speeding drivers at every intersection.
The bulk of drivers got the point though, and traffic generally flowed very smoothly in these areas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671982</id>
	<title>Death Race 2010</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've perfected the formula for higher scores: more targets...er...obstacles</p><p>How about research to improve safety, productivity and collision costs as a goal - instead of this 30 year blind devotion to the slogan "Speed Kills"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've perfected the formula for higher scores : more targets...er...obstaclesHow about research to improve safety , productivity and collision costs as a goal - instead of this 30 year blind devotion to the slogan " Speed Kills " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've perfected the formula for higher scores: more targets...er...obstaclesHow about research to improve safety, productivity and collision costs as a goal - instead of this 30 year blind devotion to the slogan "Speed Kills"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674358</id>
	<title>child care</title>
	<author>misfit815</author>
	<datestamp>1269975300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wider lanes, rumble strips, automatic transmissions, ABS, GPS... Americans are given training wheels to keep from falling over and hurting ourselves. So what do we do? Let our driving get that much worse.</p><p>Overall speed is not the issue. Distractions, carelessness, and a lack of skill are. Anyone wanting a driver's license should be subjected to a test a hundred times more rigorous than the one we have now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wider lanes , rumble strips , automatic transmissions , ABS , GPS... Americans are given training wheels to keep from falling over and hurting ourselves .
So what do we do ?
Let our driving get that much worse.Overall speed is not the issue .
Distractions , carelessness , and a lack of skill are .
Anyone wanting a driver 's license should be subjected to a test a hundred times more rigorous than the one we have now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wider lanes, rumble strips, automatic transmissions, ABS, GPS... Americans are given training wheels to keep from falling over and hurting ourselves.
So what do we do?
Let our driving get that much worse.Overall speed is not the issue.
Distractions, carelessness, and a lack of skill are.
Anyone wanting a driver's license should be subjected to a test a hundred times more rigorous than the one we have now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31677748</id>
	<title>Ugh</title>
	<author>jwiegley</author>
	<datestamp>1269944220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This damn topic comes up all the time... Faster driving equals {more deaths, higher fuel consumption, etc}. And it's crap. Let's see... Even if given our current conditions deaths were reduced by slower average speeds the proposition of the article would not necessarily save lives.</p><p>Fine, build tighter setbacks... That means bringing the buildings closer to the road. This would lead to people living, playing and existing closer to the road. This means people stepping off their front porch and WHAM! Basically, were is the study that shows that bringing the buildings closer doesn't increase deaths more than is decreased by the reduction of velocity?</p><p>Do you REALLY want to decrease traffic fatalities? Fine.. Kill drunk drivers. No you don't get a second chance. Next, require driver road tests for licensing... EVERY year. Not just a "sign here on the dotted line"... but a god-damn TEST! Do it in a simulator. Simulate stalling an engine. Simulate a blown tire. Simulate a skid on ice. Simulate a 5 yr old jumping in front of you. Measure reaction times. Basically do for drivers what airline pilots have to go through. You don't have to handle everything 100\% but you do need to achieve some sort of success to pass. No this is not insane. Pilots have to do it and the probability of them harming someone is far less than the operator of a motor vehicle. Thus we should actually require more of a motor vehicle operator. This would either weed out EVERYONE who is a poor driver or force them to educate and train themselves well enough to be acceptable drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This damn topic comes up all the time... Faster driving equals { more deaths , higher fuel consumption , etc } .
And it 's crap .
Let 's see... Even if given our current conditions deaths were reduced by slower average speeds the proposition of the article would not necessarily save lives.Fine , build tighter setbacks... That means bringing the buildings closer to the road .
This would lead to people living , playing and existing closer to the road .
This means people stepping off their front porch and WHAM !
Basically , were is the study that shows that bringing the buildings closer does n't increase deaths more than is decreased by the reduction of velocity ? Do you REALLY want to decrease traffic fatalities ?
Fine.. Kill drunk drivers .
No you do n't get a second chance .
Next , require driver road tests for licensing... EVERY year .
Not just a " sign here on the dotted line " ... but a god-damn TEST !
Do it in a simulator .
Simulate stalling an engine .
Simulate a blown tire .
Simulate a skid on ice .
Simulate a 5 yr old jumping in front of you .
Measure reaction times .
Basically do for drivers what airline pilots have to go through .
You do n't have to handle everything 100 \ % but you do need to achieve some sort of success to pass .
No this is not insane .
Pilots have to do it and the probability of them harming someone is far less than the operator of a motor vehicle .
Thus we should actually require more of a motor vehicle operator .
This would either weed out EVERYONE who is a poor driver or force them to educate and train themselves well enough to be acceptable drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This damn topic comes up all the time... Faster driving equals {more deaths, higher fuel consumption, etc}.
And it's crap.
Let's see... Even if given our current conditions deaths were reduced by slower average speeds the proposition of the article would not necessarily save lives.Fine, build tighter setbacks... That means bringing the buildings closer to the road.
This would lead to people living, playing and existing closer to the road.
This means people stepping off their front porch and WHAM!
Basically, were is the study that shows that bringing the buildings closer doesn't increase deaths more than is decreased by the reduction of velocity?Do you REALLY want to decrease traffic fatalities?
Fine.. Kill drunk drivers.
No you don't get a second chance.
Next, require driver road tests for licensing... EVERY year.
Not just a "sign here on the dotted line"... but a god-damn TEST!
Do it in a simulator.
Simulate stalling an engine.
Simulate a blown tire.
Simulate a skid on ice.
Simulate a 5 yr old jumping in front of you.
Measure reaction times.
Basically do for drivers what airline pilots have to go through.
You don't have to handle everything 100\% but you do need to achieve some sort of success to pass.
No this is not insane.
Pilots have to do it and the probability of them harming someone is far less than the operator of a motor vehicle.
Thus we should actually require more of a motor vehicle operator.
This would either weed out EVERYONE who is a poor driver or force them to educate and train themselves well enough to be acceptable drivers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671820</id>
	<title>Might have the opposite effect</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1269967320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is my experience that congested roadways are considerably more dangerous than ones with free flowing traffic, and when you slow down traffic you also increase congestion.  It may be the case that free flowing traffic has more deadly accidents (due to the higher speeds involved) than accidents on congested roads, but the congested roads have a much much higher rate of accidents.  <br>
<br>
But as a person who actually drives, it always bugs me when I see these studies that invariably conclude that the worse you make driving, the safer it is.  First it was cities with no street signs, and pointless traffic circles, and zigzags in the road, or just traffic lights programmed to jam up traffic as much as possible.  Now we're going to remove the safety margins between vehicles and magically improve safety.  <br>
<br>
Maybe I'm nuts, but it seems like city planners would prefer it if just nobody drove at all and just took mass transit everywhere, which would be wonderful if they actually had usable mass transit outside of the city center.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is my experience that congested roadways are considerably more dangerous than ones with free flowing traffic , and when you slow down traffic you also increase congestion .
It may be the case that free flowing traffic has more deadly accidents ( due to the higher speeds involved ) than accidents on congested roads , but the congested roads have a much much higher rate of accidents .
But as a person who actually drives , it always bugs me when I see these studies that invariably conclude that the worse you make driving , the safer it is .
First it was cities with no street signs , and pointless traffic circles , and zigzags in the road , or just traffic lights programmed to jam up traffic as much as possible .
Now we 're going to remove the safety margins between vehicles and magically improve safety .
Maybe I 'm nuts , but it seems like city planners would prefer it if just nobody drove at all and just took mass transit everywhere , which would be wonderful if they actually had usable mass transit outside of the city center .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is my experience that congested roadways are considerably more dangerous than ones with free flowing traffic, and when you slow down traffic you also increase congestion.
It may be the case that free flowing traffic has more deadly accidents (due to the higher speeds involved) than accidents on congested roads, but the congested roads have a much much higher rate of accidents.
But as a person who actually drives, it always bugs me when I see these studies that invariably conclude that the worse you make driving, the safer it is.
First it was cities with no street signs, and pointless traffic circles, and zigzags in the road, or just traffic lights programmed to jam up traffic as much as possible.
Now we're going to remove the safety margins between vehicles and magically improve safety.
Maybe I'm nuts, but it seems like city planners would prefer it if just nobody drove at all and just took mass transit everywhere, which would be wonderful if they actually had usable mass transit outside of the city center.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672534</id>
	<title>Modest proposal:</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1269969480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Simply mount large, sharp spikes to the center of the steering wheel in place of the airbag pointed directly at the driver's chest.  I'm sure speeds will come down quite a bit...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simply mount large , sharp spikes to the center of the steering wheel in place of the airbag pointed directly at the driver 's chest .
I 'm sure speeds will come down quite a bit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simply mount large, sharp spikes to the center of the steering wheel in place of the airbag pointed directly at the driver's chest.
I'm sure speeds will come down quite a bit...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673954</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269973920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making drivers angry in the U. S. is not a good idea.  Maybe they don't have "road rage" in Portugal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making drivers angry in the U. S. is not a good idea .
Maybe they do n't have " road rage " in Portugal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making drivers angry in the U. S. is not a good idea.
Maybe they don't have "road rage" in Portugal?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671856</id>
	<title>but what about the speed traps!?!?!</title>
	<author>WillyWanker</author>
	<datestamp>1269967380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately this puts a kibosh on the lifeblood of many towns -- ticket revenue from speed traps. Y'know, where they purposefully lower the speed limits on open stretches of road so they can snag unsuspecting drivers. If they were to redesign the roads so that people drive slower they'll start to cut into their lucrative legal organized crime and extortion business. Hey, safety is good and all, but I'm betting they'll choose profit over safety every time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately this puts a kibosh on the lifeblood of many towns -- ticket revenue from speed traps .
Y'know , where they purposefully lower the speed limits on open stretches of road so they can snag unsuspecting drivers .
If they were to redesign the roads so that people drive slower they 'll start to cut into their lucrative legal organized crime and extortion business .
Hey , safety is good and all , but I 'm betting they 'll choose profit over safety every time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately this puts a kibosh on the lifeblood of many towns -- ticket revenue from speed traps.
Y'know, where they purposefully lower the speed limits on open stretches of road so they can snag unsuspecting drivers.
If they were to redesign the roads so that people drive slower they'll start to cut into their lucrative legal organized crime and extortion business.
Hey, safety is good and all, but I'm betting they'll choose profit over safety every time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672558</id>
	<title>Seems pretty dumb to me</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1269969540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They could get the same law abiding effect merely by increasing the speed limit. The gimmick here is that they make everything more complicated and less safe in order to slow drivers down. When they do that, they also should lower the effective speed limit. But they don't. In other words, they create a tougher road with an elevated speed limit.<br> <br>

Instead, they could have just raised the speed limit. It's far cheaper since you're just changing some road signs rather than massively redesigning the road.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They could get the same law abiding effect merely by increasing the speed limit .
The gimmick here is that they make everything more complicated and less safe in order to slow drivers down .
When they do that , they also should lower the effective speed limit .
But they do n't .
In other words , they create a tougher road with an elevated speed limit .
Instead , they could have just raised the speed limit .
It 's far cheaper since you 're just changing some road signs rather than massively redesigning the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could get the same law abiding effect merely by increasing the speed limit.
The gimmick here is that they make everything more complicated and less safe in order to slow drivers down.
When they do that, they also should lower the effective speed limit.
But they don't.
In other words, they create a tougher road with an elevated speed limit.
Instead, they could have just raised the speed limit.
It's far cheaper since you're just changing some road signs rather than massively redesigning the road.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674128</id>
	<title>now if only...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269974520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could find a way to discourage people from standing on the brakes at the entrances to interstate highway tunnels in my city!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could find a way to discourage people from standing on the brakes at the entrances to interstate highway tunnels in my city !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could find a way to discourage people from standing on the brakes at the entrances to interstate highway tunnels in my city!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676644</id>
	<title>Why spend money at all?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As roads fall into disrepair (potholes, etc.) and become bumpy, driving fast becomes more difficult (or at least less pleasant).  Ever tried going fast on a gravel road?  Therefore, not fixing roads leads to safer drivers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>As roads fall into disrepair ( potholes , etc .
) and become bumpy , driving fast becomes more difficult ( or at least less pleasant ) .
Ever tried going fast on a gravel road ?
Therefore , not fixing roads leads to safer drivers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As roads fall into disrepair (potholes, etc.
) and become bumpy, driving fast becomes more difficult (or at least less pleasant).
Ever tried going fast on a gravel road?
Therefore, not fixing roads leads to safer drivers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674874</id>
	<title>Gotta love academic studies...sigh</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1269977280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about if, rather than trying to design ways to make the roads so completely unsafe that even a monkey can see that he needs to slow down, we find ways of designing roads so that they are safe at a speed people actually <i>want</i> to drive?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about if , rather than trying to design ways to make the roads so completely unsafe that even a monkey can see that he needs to slow down , we find ways of designing roads so that they are safe at a speed people actually want to drive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about if, rather than trying to design ways to make the roads so completely unsafe that even a monkey can see that he needs to slow down, we find ways of designing roads so that they are safe at a speed people actually want to drive?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671762</id>
	<title>Autocross</title>
	<author>bluefoxlucid</author>
	<datestamp>1269967140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's designed for me to not be able to peak over 60mph.</p><p>I shouldn't be able to physically push over 40mph in the corners.</p><p>Most people will be too scared to go faster than 25, if they even go that fast.</p><p>Yet, the little MX-5 Miata hits those curves at 75, no problem, on the R030A's with the steering and throttle control just right...</p><p>This is really going to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's designed for me to not be able to peak over 60mph.I should n't be able to physically push over 40mph in the corners.Most people will be too scared to go faster than 25 , if they even go that fast.Yet , the little MX-5 Miata hits those curves at 75 , no problem , on the R030A 's with the steering and throttle control just right...This is really going to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's designed for me to not be able to peak over 60mph.I shouldn't be able to physically push over 40mph in the corners.Most people will be too scared to go faster than 25, if they even go that fast.Yet, the little MX-5 Miata hits those curves at 75, no problem, on the R030A's with the steering and throttle control just right...This is really going to work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675040</id>
	<title>Train Drivers More Instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269978060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It takes no talent in the US to get a drivers license. We should do it more like Finland:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving\_licence\_in\_Finland" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving\_licence\_in\_Finland</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It takes no talent in the US to get a drivers license .
We should do it more like Finland : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving \ _licence \ _in \ _Finland [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It takes no talent in the US to get a drivers license.
We should do it more like Finland:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving\_licence\_in\_Finland [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676272</id>
	<title>"traffic calming measures"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The residents of this road fought for 20 years to get it closed off after new construction turned their quiet suburban neighborhood into a 75 mph on-ramp for Interstate 95.</p><p>Eventually they shifted tactics and got "traffic calming measures" installed.</p><p><a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=39.6814,-75.680048&amp;panoid=ahLR2oaJziy1Hp2tOcx6NA&amp;cbp=12,5.72,,0,5&amp;ll=39.681314,-75.680033&amp;spn=0,359.999032&amp;z=20" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=39.6814,-75.680048&amp;panoid=ahLR2oaJziy1Hp2tOcx6NA&amp;cbp=12,5.72,,0,5&amp;ll=39.681314,-75.680033&amp;spn=0,359.999032&amp;z=20</a> [google.com]</p><p>Note the marks on the concrete.  That curb was replaced last year because repeated impact of wheel rims at high speed pulverizes it after a while.</p><p>So, the normal speed on that road is now down to about 40 (speed limit is 25, of course, since it's residential) with occasional loud noises as someone tries to see what the functional limit is.</p><p>I think of it as a "stupid driver tax" and I heartily approve.</p><p>I bet if they installed large steel bollards in the center of the road, and moved them to a slightly different place every time they had to re-install one, they could get the traffic speed down to 25 mph.  Basically by killing off all the people incapable of learning that compliance with the speed limit was no longer voluntary...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The residents of this road fought for 20 years to get it closed off after new construction turned their quiet suburban neighborhood into a 75 mph on-ramp for Interstate 95.Eventually they shifted tactics and got " traffic calming measures " installed.http : //maps.google.com/ ? ie = UTF8&amp;t = h&amp;layer = c&amp;cbll = 39.6814,-75.680048&amp;panoid = ahLR2oaJziy1Hp2tOcx6NA&amp;cbp = 12,5.72,,0,5&amp;ll = 39.681314,-75.680033&amp;spn = 0,359.999032&amp;z = 20 [ google.com ] Note the marks on the concrete .
That curb was replaced last year because repeated impact of wheel rims at high speed pulverizes it after a while.So , the normal speed on that road is now down to about 40 ( speed limit is 25 , of course , since it 's residential ) with occasional loud noises as someone tries to see what the functional limit is.I think of it as a " stupid driver tax " and I heartily approve.I bet if they installed large steel bollards in the center of the road , and moved them to a slightly different place every time they had to re-install one , they could get the traffic speed down to 25 mph .
Basically by killing off all the people incapable of learning that compliance with the speed limit was no longer voluntary.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The residents of this road fought for 20 years to get it closed off after new construction turned their quiet suburban neighborhood into a 75 mph on-ramp for Interstate 95.Eventually they shifted tactics and got "traffic calming measures" installed.http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;t=h&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=39.6814,-75.680048&amp;panoid=ahLR2oaJziy1Hp2tOcx6NA&amp;cbp=12,5.72,,0,5&amp;ll=39.681314,-75.680033&amp;spn=0,359.999032&amp;z=20 [google.com]Note the marks on the concrete.
That curb was replaced last year because repeated impact of wheel rims at high speed pulverizes it after a while.So, the normal speed on that road is now down to about 40 (speed limit is 25, of course, since it's residential) with occasional loud noises as someone tries to see what the functional limit is.I think of it as a "stupid driver tax" and I heartily approve.I bet if they installed large steel bollards in the center of the road, and moved them to a slightly different place every time they had to re-install one, they could get the traffic speed down to 25 mph.
Basically by killing off all the people incapable of learning that compliance with the speed limit was no longer voluntary...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672576</id>
	<title>Deja Vu...</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1269969600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was just yesterday that I posted <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1598424&amp;cid=31657174" title="slashdot.org">this comment</a> [slashdot.org].  In short, why don't we install small transmitters on speed limit signs, and receivers in cars?  Then our cars will automatically know what the posted speed limit is, and limit how fast we can drive to that speed.  I'm not advocating it, but I wonder why we don't do this.  The technologies (and patents) are already there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was just yesterday that I posted this comment [ slashdot.org ] .
In short , why do n't we install small transmitters on speed limit signs , and receivers in cars ?
Then our cars will automatically know what the posted speed limit is , and limit how fast we can drive to that speed .
I 'm not advocating it , but I wonder why we do n't do this .
The technologies ( and patents ) are already there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was just yesterday that I posted this comment [slashdot.org].
In short, why don't we install small transmitters on speed limit signs, and receivers in cars?
Then our cars will automatically know what the posted speed limit is, and limit how fast we can drive to that speed.
I'm not advocating it, but I wonder why we don't do this.
The technologies (and patents) are already there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675604</id>
	<title>Liar Opening Statement</title>
	<author>Dun Malg</author>
	<datestamp>1269980340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They&rsquo;re the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.</p></div><p>That's not the holy grail of transportation engineering. That's the holy grail of technically ignorant busybody safety nazis. Traffic engineers are concerned with the big picture. Simply slowing down traffic <i>on average</i> doesn't make the road safer. Idiot politicos have this notion that because accidents at higher speeds are more <i>damaging</i>, lowering speed limits is safer. The problem is that lower limits--- either through signage or optical illusions or whatever--- simply create a wider speed <b>differential</b>. Speed differential is what <i>causes</i> the majority of accidents. Slightly reducing the injurious result of accidents is no help when the means of doing so increases the accident <i>rate</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They    re the holy grail of transportation engineering : streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly , reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.That 's not the holy grail of transportation engineering .
That 's the holy grail of technically ignorant busybody safety nazis .
Traffic engineers are concerned with the big picture .
Simply slowing down traffic on average does n't make the road safer .
Idiot politicos have this notion that because accidents at higher speeds are more damaging , lowering speed limits is safer .
The problem is that lower limits--- either through signage or optical illusions or whatever--- simply create a wider speed differential .
Speed differential is what causes the majority of accidents .
Slightly reducing the injurious result of accidents is no help when the means of doing so increases the accident rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They’re the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.That's not the holy grail of transportation engineering.
That's the holy grail of technically ignorant busybody safety nazis.
Traffic engineers are concerned with the big picture.
Simply slowing down traffic on average doesn't make the road safer.
Idiot politicos have this notion that because accidents at higher speeds are more damaging, lowering speed limits is safer.
The problem is that lower limits--- either through signage or optical illusions or whatever--- simply create a wider speed differential.
Speed differential is what causes the majority of accidents.
Slightly reducing the injurious result of accidents is no help when the means of doing so increases the accident rate.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671798</id>
	<title>"REDUCE SPEED"</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1269967260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one annoyed and offended by the flashing "reduce speed" signs, which implore me to slow down <em>without knowing my current speed</em>? Would they stop blinking if I stopped completely?

</p><p>It is like that mother asking her husband: "Go check, what the kids are doing, and tell them to stop."</p><blockquote><div><p>They're the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.</p></div></blockquote><p>Citation needed...

</p><p>Roads are for us to <em>get somewhere</em> &mdash; and quickly...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one annoyed and offended by the flashing " reduce speed " signs , which implore me to slow down without knowing my current speed ?
Would they stop blinking if I stopped completely ?
It is like that mother asking her husband : " Go check , what the kids are doing , and tell them to stop .
" They 're the holy grail of transportation engineering : streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly , reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.Citation needed.. . Roads are for us to get somewhere    and quickly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one annoyed and offended by the flashing "reduce speed" signs, which implore me to slow down without knowing my current speed?
Would they stop blinking if I stopped completely?
It is like that mother asking her husband: "Go check, what the kids are doing, and tell them to stop.
"They're the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment.Citation needed...

Roads are for us to get somewhere — and quickly...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671636</id>
	<title>Speed-trap income based towns will not like this</title>
	<author>sohmc</author>
	<datestamp>1269966840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a stretch of road in Maryland where the dashes that separate the lanes are longer than they are anywhere else.  The speed limit is the same.  It may not seem important but I believe they did this on purpose because I've gotten many tickets in that area.</p><p>I think subconsciously, we see the lines as going slower.  So naturally we speed up.  I've never gone out there and measured the lines.  But I have gotten used to where the police officer sits to catch speeders.</p><p>Small border towns will not like these "improvements" because much of their budget is based on the revenue that speeders bring.  Most limits are not about safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a stretch of road in Maryland where the dashes that separate the lanes are longer than they are anywhere else .
The speed limit is the same .
It may not seem important but I believe they did this on purpose because I 've gotten many tickets in that area.I think subconsciously , we see the lines as going slower .
So naturally we speed up .
I 've never gone out there and measured the lines .
But I have gotten used to where the police officer sits to catch speeders.Small border towns will not like these " improvements " because much of their budget is based on the revenue that speeders bring .
Most limits are not about safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a stretch of road in Maryland where the dashes that separate the lanes are longer than they are anywhere else.
The speed limit is the same.
It may not seem important but I believe they did this on purpose because I've gotten many tickets in that area.I think subconsciously, we see the lines as going slower.
So naturally we speed up.
I've never gone out there and measured the lines.
But I have gotten used to where the police officer sits to catch speeders.Small border towns will not like these "improvements" because much of their budget is based on the revenue that speeders bring.
Most limits are not about safety.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672176</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Happy Nuclear Death</author>
	<datestamp>1269968220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, but I have a hard time seeing how the Portuguese system enhances revenue to the State^H^H^H^H^H^H^H improves safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , but I have a hard time seeing how the Portuguese system enhances revenue to the State ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H improves safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, but I have a hard time seeing how the Portuguese system enhances revenue to the State^H^H^H^H^H^H^H improves safety.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672392</id>
	<title>Re:How about making it safer for higher speeds?</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1269969000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly what I was thinking. Traveling 10\% slower means 10\% more time on the road. What I'd like to see is a study about the relationship/ratio between risk/injuries and speed. Even assuming that driving 10\% slower (across all speeds) reduces accidents/injuries (which is <i>not</i> shown by this study), we still may have more accidents/injuries/deaths due to a disproportional decrease in accident rate between the different speeds and the increased time spent on the road. This doesn't even address the value of the lost time itself. The 130 million employed Americans spend, on average, <a href="http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/american\_community\_survey\_acs/004489.html" title="census.gov">more than 100 hours</a> [census.gov] commuting to work each year. An increase of 7\% (liberally assuming 30\% of Americans are taking rail transit, or would otherwise be unaffected) would mean a loss of almost a billion hours a year. And that's just for the United States.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly what I was thinking .
Traveling 10 \ % slower means 10 \ % more time on the road .
What I 'd like to see is a study about the relationship/ratio between risk/injuries and speed .
Even assuming that driving 10 \ % slower ( across all speeds ) reduces accidents/injuries ( which is not shown by this study ) , we still may have more accidents/injuries/deaths due to a disproportional decrease in accident rate between the different speeds and the increased time spent on the road .
This does n't even address the value of the lost time itself .
The 130 million employed Americans spend , on average , more than 100 hours [ census.gov ] commuting to work each year .
An increase of 7 \ % ( liberally assuming 30 \ % of Americans are taking rail transit , or would otherwise be unaffected ) would mean a loss of almost a billion hours a year .
And that 's just for the United States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly what I was thinking.
Traveling 10\% slower means 10\% more time on the road.
What I'd like to see is a study about the relationship/ratio between risk/injuries and speed.
Even assuming that driving 10\% slower (across all speeds) reduces accidents/injuries (which is not shown by this study), we still may have more accidents/injuries/deaths due to a disproportional decrease in accident rate between the different speeds and the increased time spent on the road.
This doesn't even address the value of the lost time itself.
The 130 million employed Americans spend, on average, more than 100 hours [census.gov] commuting to work each year.
An increase of 7\% (liberally assuming 30\% of Americans are taking rail transit, or would otherwise be unaffected) would mean a loss of almost a billion hours a year.
And that's just for the United States.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673162</id>
	<title>We just make things up!</title>
	<author>Byzantine</author>
	<datestamp>1269971340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Automobilists"?  Whatever happened to the perfectly useful English word "drivers"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Automobilists " ?
Whatever happened to the perfectly useful English word " drivers " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Automobilists"?
Whatever happened to the perfectly useful English word "drivers"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673652</id>
	<title>drive SAFER not SLOWER...</title>
	<author>elf</author>
	<datestamp>1269972900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The trick is not to make slower drivers, the trick is to make SAFER drivers. Slower drivers are not always safer drivers.
</p><p>
1) Set accurate speed limits so people will actually follow them. It is ridiculous that "following traffic" means having to break the law.
</p><p>
2) Mandate *better* and *harder* driver license tests. In the US it is all too easy for someone to get a driving license with little or no training. (seriously; check out this test: "Drive in a straight line, drive backwards in a straight line, parallel park, do a 3 point U-turn", and the kicker is, many states only require you to do TWO of the above. And if you fail the test, you can pay the fee and take it again, and in the mean time despite failing, you're allowed to continue driving with your permit.
</p><p>
3) Have the police start enforcing SAFE driving concerns. Enforce laws about people driving in the wrong lane, driving while on the cell phone, driving with improper equipment. Yes, I know, speeding tickets are great revenue, but stop enforcing only the speeding laws, especially when you're not making anyone any safer you're just picking up revenue from some unlucky sob (or more likely these days lining the pockets of a traffic lawyer).
</p><p>
If the focus was on safety, we could raise speed limits and increase traffic flow and reduce congestion.
</p><p>
disclaimer: I catch a lot of crap for driving a "sporty" car, but I focus all my attention on safe driving. driving should be a cooperative adventure, not a competitive sport. Take all the a-holes and distracted drivers off the road and we could all enjoy our commute and weekend drives a lot more. =) Just telling people to slow down, or trying to find ways to force them to slow down won't really change anything, other than perhaps an increase in speeding tickets. =/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trick is not to make slower drivers , the trick is to make SAFER drivers .
Slower drivers are not always safer drivers .
1 ) Set accurate speed limits so people will actually follow them .
It is ridiculous that " following traffic " means having to break the law .
2 ) Mandate * better * and * harder * driver license tests .
In the US it is all too easy for someone to get a driving license with little or no training .
( seriously ; check out this test : " Drive in a straight line , drive backwards in a straight line , parallel park , do a 3 point U-turn " , and the kicker is , many states only require you to do TWO of the above .
And if you fail the test , you can pay the fee and take it again , and in the mean time despite failing , you 're allowed to continue driving with your permit .
3 ) Have the police start enforcing SAFE driving concerns .
Enforce laws about people driving in the wrong lane , driving while on the cell phone , driving with improper equipment .
Yes , I know , speeding tickets are great revenue , but stop enforcing only the speeding laws , especially when you 're not making anyone any safer you 're just picking up revenue from some unlucky sob ( or more likely these days lining the pockets of a traffic lawyer ) .
If the focus was on safety , we could raise speed limits and increase traffic flow and reduce congestion .
disclaimer : I catch a lot of crap for driving a " sporty " car , but I focus all my attention on safe driving .
driving should be a cooperative adventure , not a competitive sport .
Take all the a-holes and distracted drivers off the road and we could all enjoy our commute and weekend drives a lot more .
= ) Just telling people to slow down , or trying to find ways to force them to slow down wo n't really change anything , other than perhaps an increase in speeding tickets .
= /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The trick is not to make slower drivers, the trick is to make SAFER drivers.
Slower drivers are not always safer drivers.
1) Set accurate speed limits so people will actually follow them.
It is ridiculous that "following traffic" means having to break the law.
2) Mandate *better* and *harder* driver license tests.
In the US it is all too easy for someone to get a driving license with little or no training.
(seriously; check out this test: "Drive in a straight line, drive backwards in a straight line, parallel park, do a 3 point U-turn", and the kicker is, many states only require you to do TWO of the above.
And if you fail the test, you can pay the fee and take it again, and in the mean time despite failing, you're allowed to continue driving with your permit.
3) Have the police start enforcing SAFE driving concerns.
Enforce laws about people driving in the wrong lane, driving while on the cell phone, driving with improper equipment.
Yes, I know, speeding tickets are great revenue, but stop enforcing only the speeding laws, especially when you're not making anyone any safer you're just picking up revenue from some unlucky sob (or more likely these days lining the pockets of a traffic lawyer).
If the focus was on safety, we could raise speed limits and increase traffic flow and reduce congestion.
disclaimer: I catch a lot of crap for driving a "sporty" car, but I focus all my attention on safe driving.
driving should be a cooperative adventure, not a competitive sport.
Take all the a-holes and distracted drivers off the road and we could all enjoy our commute and weekend drives a lot more.
=) Just telling people to slow down, or trying to find ways to force them to slow down won't really change anything, other than perhaps an increase in speeding tickets.
=/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676584</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Ma8thew</author>
	<datestamp>1269940500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ones I've seen in the UK don't actually tell you your speed, they just flash the speed limit at you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ones I 've seen in the UK do n't actually tell you your speed , they just flash the speed limit at you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ones I've seen in the UK don't actually tell you your speed, they just flash the speed limit at you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672000</id>
	<title>Easier Solution (Cooler, but too much work)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember that car commercial with the musical notes playing by the grooves in the pavement? Do this to all of our roads, but do it so that the right speed makes the ride quiet. Not sure if they would have to play the inverse frequency like on noise cancellation headphones or something to do it, but would be more foolproof...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that car commercial with the musical notes playing by the grooves in the pavement ?
Do this to all of our roads , but do it so that the right speed makes the ride quiet .
Not sure if they would have to play the inverse frequency like on noise cancellation headphones or something to do it , but would be more foolproof.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that car commercial with the musical notes playing by the grooves in the pavement?
Do this to all of our roads, but do it so that the right speed makes the ride quiet.
Not sure if they would have to play the inverse frequency like on noise cancellation headphones or something to do it, but would be more foolproof...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675136</id>
	<title>This Can't Be Good For Cyclists</title>
	<author>Necron69</author>
	<datestamp>1269978600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a cyclist, I'd love to see the study impact on cycling accidents along these same streets. Tighter roads, less visibility and cars parked along the side of the road spells dangerous conditions to me.</p><p>I'll take a wider road with a marked bike lane, thanks.</p><p>Necron69</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a cyclist , I 'd love to see the study impact on cycling accidents along these same streets .
Tighter roads , less visibility and cars parked along the side of the road spells dangerous conditions to me.I 'll take a wider road with a marked bike lane , thanks.Necron69</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a cyclist, I'd love to see the study impact on cycling accidents along these same streets.
Tighter roads, less visibility and cars parked along the side of the road spells dangerous conditions to me.I'll take a wider road with a marked bike lane, thanks.Necron69</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672424</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>roman\_mir</author>
	<datestamp>1269969120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is really cute.  I would just stop caring and go through the red.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is really cute .
I would just stop caring and go through the red .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is really cute.
I would just stop caring and go through the red.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673844</id>
	<title>Posting my speed using Radar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269973560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have these sighs in the US too.<br>I always try to get the high score as I go past.  It's kinda fun...</p><p>They're supposed to do what you say??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have these sighs in the US too.I always try to get the high score as I go past .
It 's kinda fun...They 're supposed to do what you say ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have these sighs in the US too.I always try to get the high score as I go past.
It's kinda fun...They're supposed to do what you say?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672480</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1269969240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  The goal should be to increase maximum safe speeds.  That's what roads are for.  This is an example of government doing something directly against the interests of the people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The goal should be to increase maximum safe speeds .
That 's what roads are for .
This is an example of government doing something directly against the interests of the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The goal should be to increase maximum safe speeds.
That's what roads are for.
This is an example of government doing something directly against the interests of the people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672816</id>
	<title>This always seemed stupid to me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269970260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More dangerous roads = fewer casualties?</p><p>Really, does this work? Lower speeds do not equal safer roads.</p><p>The people that designed my area took this approach and there are daft priorities on many of the junctions. Eventually people get so used to no-one coming out of that minor side turning that has priority, they don't slow down as much any more. Then one day someone does come out as they go past...</p><p>Almost as good as the kiddy-designed "kill your speed" signs that are so hard to read they are just a distraction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More dangerous roads = fewer casualties ? Really , does this work ?
Lower speeds do not equal safer roads.The people that designed my area took this approach and there are daft priorities on many of the junctions .
Eventually people get so used to no-one coming out of that minor side turning that has priority , they do n't slow down as much any more .
Then one day someone does come out as they go past...Almost as good as the kiddy-designed " kill your speed " signs that are so hard to read they are just a distraction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More dangerous roads = fewer casualties?Really, does this work?
Lower speeds do not equal safer roads.The people that designed my area took this approach and there are daft priorities on many of the junctions.
Eventually people get so used to no-one coming out of that minor side turning that has priority, they don't slow down as much any more.
Then one day someone does come out as they go past...Almost as good as the kiddy-designed "kill your speed" signs that are so hard to read they are just a distraction.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671812</id>
	<title>Roadside parking?!</title>
	<author>Bromskloss</author>
	<datestamp>1269967260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, it would make most of us drive slower, just like blind corners or a slippery road surface would, but are you sure it would make things safer? Mabye someone gets their bonus based only upon how much they get the traffic speed down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , it would make most of us drive slower , just like blind corners or a slippery road surface would , but are you sure it would make things safer ?
Mabye someone gets their bonus based only upon how much they get the traffic speed down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, it would make most of us drive slower, just like blind corners or a slippery road surface would, but are you sure it would make things safer?
Mabye someone gets their bonus based only upon how much they get the traffic speed down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672802</id>
	<title>Then,just rip up the pavement and leave the dirt..</title>
	<author>radicalrendell</author>
	<datestamp>1269970260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pluses:
<ul>
<li>Simpler to design roads</li>
<li>less dependence on oil</li>
<li>rough roads and/or mud will slow traffic</li>
<li>increased sales of shock absorbers, car washes, rubber boots and dust filters will end the recession.</li>
<li>dirt is plentiful</li>
<li>speeds are slower</li>
<li>"high speed cop chases" will look like the "Dukes of Hazzard"</li>
</ul><p>
Negatives:
</p><ul> <li>Your Lambourghini will look funny with "big mudder" tires.</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pluses : Simpler to design roads less dependence on oil rough roads and/or mud will slow traffic increased sales of shock absorbers , car washes , rubber boots and dust filters will end the recession .
dirt is plentiful speeds are slower " high speed cop chases " will look like the " Dukes of Hazzard " Negatives : Your Lambourghini will look funny with " big mudder " tires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pluses:

Simpler to design roads
less dependence on oil
rough roads and/or mud will slow traffic
increased sales of shock absorbers, car washes, rubber boots and dust filters will end the recession.
dirt is plentiful
speeds are slower
"high speed cop chases" will look like the "Dukes of Hazzard"

Negatives:
 Your Lambourghini will look funny with "big mudder" tires.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673352</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>jabuzz</author>
	<datestamp>1269971880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting, but you have missinterperated that study completely. Nowhere does it say that going 5-10mph faster than the posted speed limit is *not* the safest speed you can go. It says this is safer than going 10mph slower than the average speed on the road, but that is *not* the same.</p><p>Also it talks about the likelyhood of being involved in an accident. It nowhere does it discuss the likelyhood of death or serious injury which is again *not* the same thing as being involved in an accident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , but you have missinterperated that study completely .
Nowhere does it say that going 5-10mph faster than the posted speed limit is * not * the safest speed you can go .
It says this is safer than going 10mph slower than the average speed on the road , but that is * not * the same.Also it talks about the likelyhood of being involved in an accident .
It nowhere does it discuss the likelyhood of death or serious injury which is again * not * the same thing as being involved in an accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting, but you have missinterperated that study completely.
Nowhere does it say that going 5-10mph faster than the posted speed limit is *not* the safest speed you can go.
It says this is safer than going 10mph slower than the average speed on the road, but that is *not* the same.Also it talks about the likelyhood of being involved in an accident.
It nowhere does it discuss the likelyhood of death or serious injury which is again *not* the same thing as being involved in an accident.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676718</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269940860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That means plenty more traffic fine revenue for the cops. Everyone wins, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That means plenty more traffic fine revenue for the cops .
Everyone wins , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That means plenty more traffic fine revenue for the cops.
Everyone wins, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674586</id>
	<title>Let's annoy everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269976140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a good idea: let's reduce the speed people can go at, make roads thinner and harder to drive in, make people lose more time in commuting and spend more money on petrol while polluting our suburbs!<br>That way, not only will we reduce efficiency, but also increase traffic and danger (which was supposed to be reduced by reducing the speed...).</p><p>People need to understand the best way to deal with cars is to allow them to drive simply and efficiently in right lanes (i.e. motorways).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a good idea : let 's reduce the speed people can go at , make roads thinner and harder to drive in , make people lose more time in commuting and spend more money on petrol while polluting our suburbs ! That way , not only will we reduce efficiency , but also increase traffic and danger ( which was supposed to be reduced by reducing the speed... ) .People need to understand the best way to deal with cars is to allow them to drive simply and efficiently in right lanes ( i.e .
motorways ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a good idea: let's reduce the speed people can go at, make roads thinner and harder to drive in, make people lose more time in commuting and spend more money on petrol while polluting our suburbs!That way, not only will we reduce efficiency, but also increase traffic and danger (which was supposed to be reduced by reducing the speed...).People need to understand the best way to deal with cars is to allow them to drive simply and efficiently in right lanes (i.e.
motorways).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673114</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269971160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen them here in the Netherlands too. Problem is, they seem to ALWAYS light up even though you know 100\% you are definitely driving under the limit, at which point you'll just ignore them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen them here in the Netherlands too .
Problem is , they seem to ALWAYS light up even though you know 100 \ % you are definitely driving under the limit , at which point you 'll just ignore them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen them here in the Netherlands too.
Problem is, they seem to ALWAYS light up even though you know 100\% you are definitely driving under the limit, at which point you'll just ignore them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672880</id>
	<title>Build a better drivers, not roads.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269970500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stricter testing on licensing.  If it were harder to get AND keep a license, then crappy drivers will be off the roads.  Tougher initial test and retesting every 5 to 10 years.  I bet more than half 60+ year olds couldn't pass a drivers test.  If nothing else, road laws have changed over the last 40-50 years.  Yet no one is re-tested to make sure they know the current laws and etiquette.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stricter testing on licensing .
If it were harder to get AND keep a license , then crappy drivers will be off the roads .
Tougher initial test and retesting every 5 to 10 years .
I bet more than half 60 + year olds could n't pass a drivers test .
If nothing else , road laws have changed over the last 40-50 years .
Yet no one is re-tested to make sure they know the current laws and etiquette .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stricter testing on licensing.
If it were harder to get AND keep a license, then crappy drivers will be off the roads.
Tougher initial test and retesting every 5 to 10 years.
I bet more than half 60+ year olds couldn't pass a drivers test.
If nothing else, road laws have changed over the last 40-50 years.
Yet no one is re-tested to make sure they know the current laws and etiquette.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671756</id>
	<title>Drive slower ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and thereby use more gas.</p><p>Is that also a good idea?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and thereby use more gas.Is that also a good idea ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and thereby use more gas.Is that also a good idea?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674958</id>
	<title>Speed versus home turf</title>
	<author>geek2k5</author>
	<datestamp>1269977640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get the feeling that a lot of people object to the idea of slowing down traffic in urban areas.  After all, it keeps them from getting to their destination as fast as possible.</p><p>At the same time, these same people would probably welcome slower traffic IF they lived in and around these areas and were threatened by faster traffic.  People are odd that way.</p><p>It reminds me of a situation where a city council had two major groups: developers and environmentalists.  You could depend upon the developer group to vote against anything that limited development and you could depend upon the environmentalist group to vote against most developments.</p><p>Then came a situation where a developer wanted to put some houses on a hill top.  One of the developers joined the environmentalists in voting against the development.  Oddly enough, the proposed development was not far from his house.</p><p>'Everybody' is an environmentalist when their quality of life is threatened.  'Everybody' is a capitalist when their financial well being is threatened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get the feeling that a lot of people object to the idea of slowing down traffic in urban areas .
After all , it keeps them from getting to their destination as fast as possible.At the same time , these same people would probably welcome slower traffic IF they lived in and around these areas and were threatened by faster traffic .
People are odd that way.It reminds me of a situation where a city council had two major groups : developers and environmentalists .
You could depend upon the developer group to vote against anything that limited development and you could depend upon the environmentalist group to vote against most developments.Then came a situation where a developer wanted to put some houses on a hill top .
One of the developers joined the environmentalists in voting against the development .
Oddly enough , the proposed development was not far from his house .
'Everybody ' is an environmentalist when their quality of life is threatened .
'Everybody ' is a capitalist when their financial well being is threatened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get the feeling that a lot of people object to the idea of slowing down traffic in urban areas.
After all, it keeps them from getting to their destination as fast as possible.At the same time, these same people would probably welcome slower traffic IF they lived in and around these areas and were threatened by faster traffic.
People are odd that way.It reminds me of a situation where a city council had two major groups: developers and environmentalists.
You could depend upon the developer group to vote against anything that limited development and you could depend upon the environmentalist group to vote against most developments.Then came a situation where a developer wanted to put some houses on a hill top.
One of the developers joined the environmentalists in voting against the development.
Oddly enough, the proposed development was not far from his house.
'Everybody' is an environmentalist when their quality of life is threatened.
'Everybody' is a capitalist when their financial well being is threatened.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672758</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1269970140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are significant differences in the use of speed limits in the US versus Europe.  US speed limits are slower with a larger amount of enforcement judgement granted the police.  The purpose of that approach is to create a large body of willing speeders to generate revenue off of.  Drivers tend to disregard posted limits when they are unreasonable.  My experience in Europe is that speed limits are more reasonable with less tolerance of speeding.  Their attitude seems to be maintaining safe speeds rather than profits, at least as compared to the US.</p><p>With that pervasive government corruption in mind,  I'm not sure that european approaches will be that interesting for the US. Portable shame machines are, in fact, used in the US but frequently they are to trick radar detector drivers into ignoring warnings so that police get a clear shot.  They get paid for by insurance companies who profit from rate hikes when drivers get tickets.  The US speed limit policy is all about revenue generation, not safety.  That is true of all US traffic enforcement.</p><p>One last thing, US drivers tend not to care what other drivers think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are significant differences in the use of speed limits in the US versus Europe .
US speed limits are slower with a larger amount of enforcement judgement granted the police .
The purpose of that approach is to create a large body of willing speeders to generate revenue off of .
Drivers tend to disregard posted limits when they are unreasonable .
My experience in Europe is that speed limits are more reasonable with less tolerance of speeding .
Their attitude seems to be maintaining safe speeds rather than profits , at least as compared to the US.With that pervasive government corruption in mind , I 'm not sure that european approaches will be that interesting for the US .
Portable shame machines are , in fact , used in the US but frequently they are to trick radar detector drivers into ignoring warnings so that police get a clear shot .
They get paid for by insurance companies who profit from rate hikes when drivers get tickets .
The US speed limit policy is all about revenue generation , not safety .
That is true of all US traffic enforcement.One last thing , US drivers tend not to care what other drivers think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are significant differences in the use of speed limits in the US versus Europe.
US speed limits are slower with a larger amount of enforcement judgement granted the police.
The purpose of that approach is to create a large body of willing speeders to generate revenue off of.
Drivers tend to disregard posted limits when they are unreasonable.
My experience in Europe is that speed limits are more reasonable with less tolerance of speeding.
Their attitude seems to be maintaining safe speeds rather than profits, at least as compared to the US.With that pervasive government corruption in mind,  I'm not sure that european approaches will be that interesting for the US.
Portable shame machines are, in fact, used in the US but frequently they are to trick radar detector drivers into ignoring warnings so that police get a clear shot.
They get paid for by insurance companies who profit from rate hikes when drivers get tickets.
The US speed limit policy is all about revenue generation, not safety.
That is true of all US traffic enforcement.One last thing, US drivers tend not to care what other drivers think.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672654</id>
	<title>Slope the curves away from the curve.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269969780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I lived in Cleveland in the late 80's, Martin Luther King Blvd. had the curves sloped out instead of sloped in. If you drove too fast, you couldn't stay on the road. You learned quickly to slow it down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I lived in Cleveland in the late 80 's , Martin Luther King Blvd .
had the curves sloped out instead of sloped in .
If you drove too fast , you could n't stay on the road .
You learned quickly to slow it down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I lived in Cleveland in the late 80's, Martin Luther King Blvd.
had the curves sloped out instead of sloped in.
If you drove too fast, you couldn't stay on the road.
You learned quickly to slow it down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31678506</id>
	<title>I have the ultimate idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269947400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Minigun Emplacements with speed cameras.<br>You go too fast, you get a cap or few in your ass.</p><p>Let's see people speed now!  Yeeah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Minigun Emplacements with speed cameras.You go too fast , you get a cap or few in your ass.Let 's see people speed now !
Yeeah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Minigun Emplacements with speed cameras.You go too fast, you get a cap or few in your ass.Let's see people speed now!
Yeeah.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673148</id>
	<title>Increased road rage?</title>
	<author>axeme</author>
	<datestamp>1269971280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when Mr. Macho gets pissed off because the person in front of them has no depth perception and now drives very slowly down this new roadway? Do the injury statistics take into account for the road rage that may increase?</p><p>It's sad, but you know those asshats are out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when Mr. Macho gets pissed off because the person in front of them has no depth perception and now drives very slowly down this new roadway ?
Do the injury statistics take into account for the road rage that may increase ? It 's sad , but you know those asshats are out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when Mr. Macho gets pissed off because the person in front of them has no depth perception and now drives very slowly down this new roadway?
Do the injury statistics take into account for the road rage that may increase?It's sad, but you know those asshats are out there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674968</id>
	<title>Trees vs. parking cars</title>
	<author>ET3D</author>
	<datestamp>1269977700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kills me how what looks like a nice Dutch success is translated into stupid conclusions. Dutch succeeded by changing lane widths and planting trees. Americans now change this to nearby cars and buildings, so when a car does have an accident, it will also hurt nearby property. The nearby houses will also suffer from the traffic. Huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kills me how what looks like a nice Dutch success is translated into stupid conclusions .
Dutch succeeded by changing lane widths and planting trees .
Americans now change this to nearby cars and buildings , so when a car does have an accident , it will also hurt nearby property .
The nearby houses will also suffer from the traffic .
Huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kills me how what looks like a nice Dutch success is translated into stupid conclusions.
Dutch succeeded by changing lane widths and planting trees.
Americans now change this to nearby cars and buildings, so when a car does have an accident, it will also hurt nearby property.
The nearby houses will also suffer from the traffic.
Huh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673044</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1269971040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That sounds like a beautiful idea. <br> <br>

I had a similar idea for parking lots, but I never tried to fund it.<br>
Pneumatic speed bumps. If you speed, they pump up, if not, no bump...<br> <br>

Another idea I had was to raise the speed limit by 10mph/kph after 8pm.<br>
This gives semi-trucks a solid reason to drive off-hours, since they will do anything to make more time and hence money faster.<br>
This would free up bandwidth for commuters.<br> <br>

And of course, my biggest idea to date is:<br>
<a href="http://www.wikispeedia.org/" title="wikispeedia.org" rel="nofollow">Free Speed Limit Database.</a> [wikispeedia.org] <br> <br>

Thanks for sharing that Portugal thing. Abrigado.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds like a beautiful idea .
I had a similar idea for parking lots , but I never tried to fund it .
Pneumatic speed bumps .
If you speed , they pump up , if not , no bump.. . Another idea I had was to raise the speed limit by 10mph/kph after 8pm .
This gives semi-trucks a solid reason to drive off-hours , since they will do anything to make more time and hence money faster .
This would free up bandwidth for commuters .
And of course , my biggest idea to date is : Free Speed Limit Database .
[ wikispeedia.org ] Thanks for sharing that Portugal thing .
Abrigado .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds like a beautiful idea.
I had a similar idea for parking lots, but I never tried to fund it.
Pneumatic speed bumps.
If you speed, they pump up, if not, no bump... 

Another idea I had was to raise the speed limit by 10mph/kph after 8pm.
This gives semi-trucks a solid reason to drive off-hours, since they will do anything to make more time and hence money faster.
This would free up bandwidth for commuters.
And of course, my biggest idea to date is:
Free Speed Limit Database.
[wikispeedia.org]  

Thanks for sharing that Portugal thing.
Abrigado.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674378</id>
	<title>Remove All Signs!</title>
	<author>jduhls</author>
	<datestamp>1269975360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Signs make drivers assume everyone is following the rules and then they get lazy and don't pay attention to their environment.  Remove the signs and everyone will pay close attention to their fellow drivers and maybe even motorcycles!  Also, cars are too safe and comfortable (at least, precieved to be). Airbags, large SUVs, DVD players, etc.  They need to be stripped down to almost nothing.  A tender meatsack will pay very close attention to road at 60 MPH in this kind of death trap.</p><p>Similarly, signs could be used in such a way as "Danger! Pay Attention" or <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/gary\_lauder\_s\_new\_traffic\_sign\_take\_turns.html" title="ted.com" rel="nofollow">this sign</a> [ted.com] might work, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Signs make drivers assume everyone is following the rules and then they get lazy and do n't pay attention to their environment .
Remove the signs and everyone will pay close attention to their fellow drivers and maybe even motorcycles !
Also , cars are too safe and comfortable ( at least , precieved to be ) .
Airbags , large SUVs , DVD players , etc .
They need to be stripped down to almost nothing .
A tender meatsack will pay very close attention to road at 60 MPH in this kind of death trap.Similarly , signs could be used in such a way as " Danger !
Pay Attention " or this sign [ ted.com ] might work , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Signs make drivers assume everyone is following the rules and then they get lazy and don't pay attention to their environment.
Remove the signs and everyone will pay close attention to their fellow drivers and maybe even motorcycles!
Also, cars are too safe and comfortable (at least, precieved to be).
Airbags, large SUVs, DVD players, etc.
They need to be stripped down to almost nothing.
A tender meatsack will pay very close attention to road at 60 MPH in this kind of death trap.Similarly, signs could be used in such a way as "Danger!
Pay Attention" or this sign [ted.com] might work, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675436</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>JohnnyBGod</author>
	<datestamp>1269979800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and that's exactly what about half the people do.</p><p>In case you haven't noticed by now, I'm Portuguese.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and that 's exactly what about half the people do.In case you have n't noticed by now , I 'm Portuguese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and that's exactly what about half the people do.In case you haven't noticed by now, I'm Portuguese.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672660</id>
	<title>slooooooow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269969840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've noticed that cars on the freeway always slow down to look at accidents.</p><p>Just insert gory car crashes on the side of the road. Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've noticed that cars on the freeway always slow down to look at accidents.Just insert gory car crashes on the side of the road .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've noticed that cars on the freeway always slow down to look at accidents.Just insert gory car crashes on the side of the road.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672698</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1269969900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nobody in the US is shamed by speeding.  In fact, as a nation of automobile enthusiasts, we take pride in how much horsepower we have, how loud our engine is, and how fast we go.  That's why there are so many morons weaving in and out of traffic at around 90 mph on my 30 mile commute home every evening.  It's also why our automobile race tracks are shaped like long ovals rather than having twists and turns.  Ovals allow the cars to go faster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody in the US is shamed by speeding .
In fact , as a nation of automobile enthusiasts , we take pride in how much horsepower we have , how loud our engine is , and how fast we go .
That 's why there are so many morons weaving in and out of traffic at around 90 mph on my 30 mile commute home every evening .
It 's also why our automobile race tracks are shaped like long ovals rather than having twists and turns .
Ovals allow the cars to go faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody in the US is shamed by speeding.
In fact, as a nation of automobile enthusiasts, we take pride in how much horsepower we have, how loud our engine is, and how fast we go.
That's why there are so many morons weaving in and out of traffic at around 90 mph on my 30 mile commute home every evening.
It's also why our automobile race tracks are shaped like long ovals rather than having twists and turns.
Ovals allow the cars to go faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31687354</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Locklin</author>
	<datestamp>1270049220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good thing you cite motorists.org rather than some, you know, reputable source?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing you cite motorists.org rather than some , you know , reputable source ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing you cite motorists.org rather than some, you know, reputable source?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672774</id>
	<title>Take a page from Germany</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269970140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to friends of mine who drive or used to live in Germany, driving is a much safer affair with higher or no speed limits.  This is supposedly in part due to a stricter (and more expensive) license granting process.  Everyone knows that most of the other drivers on the road (foreign visitors being the exception) are running under similar assumptions and skill level as the others because they would not have passed the license test (and invested the time, care, and money) without them.  Very different from the way I drive here, which is driving for myself AND every other driver within a 2-car radius around me.  This is in case (as happened a few days ago), a driver decides to merge two lanes to the left without signaling or looking over his or her left shoulder in case, I don't know, there's another car there (like mine).</p><p>Cars have gotten faster, more stable, and safer.  We have ways to build roads to make traveling at higher speeds ever more safe. But the thing we refuse to do is to fix the nut behind the wheel.  Driving as a right, not a skilled activity.</p><p>It's gotten to the point where in some counties (Marin County, in this example) actually had illegal aliens protest the police taking away their licenses because "they couldn't work without them."  Man, if people who have absolutely no right to have a driver's license in this country (legally speaking) are protesting not having licenses, I wonder how much they're really worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to friends of mine who drive or used to live in Germany , driving is a much safer affair with higher or no speed limits .
This is supposedly in part due to a stricter ( and more expensive ) license granting process .
Everyone knows that most of the other drivers on the road ( foreign visitors being the exception ) are running under similar assumptions and skill level as the others because they would not have passed the license test ( and invested the time , care , and money ) without them .
Very different from the way I drive here , which is driving for myself AND every other driver within a 2-car radius around me .
This is in case ( as happened a few days ago ) , a driver decides to merge two lanes to the left without signaling or looking over his or her left shoulder in case , I do n't know , there 's another car there ( like mine ) .Cars have gotten faster , more stable , and safer .
We have ways to build roads to make traveling at higher speeds ever more safe .
But the thing we refuse to do is to fix the nut behind the wheel .
Driving as a right , not a skilled activity.It 's gotten to the point where in some counties ( Marin County , in this example ) actually had illegal aliens protest the police taking away their licenses because " they could n't work without them .
" Man , if people who have absolutely no right to have a driver 's license in this country ( legally speaking ) are protesting not having licenses , I wonder how much they 're really worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to friends of mine who drive or used to live in Germany, driving is a much safer affair with higher or no speed limits.
This is supposedly in part due to a stricter (and more expensive) license granting process.
Everyone knows that most of the other drivers on the road (foreign visitors being the exception) are running under similar assumptions and skill level as the others because they would not have passed the license test (and invested the time, care, and money) without them.
Very different from the way I drive here, which is driving for myself AND every other driver within a 2-car radius around me.
This is in case (as happened a few days ago), a driver decides to merge two lanes to the left without signaling or looking over his or her left shoulder in case, I don't know, there's another car there (like mine).Cars have gotten faster, more stable, and safer.
We have ways to build roads to make traveling at higher speeds ever more safe.
But the thing we refuse to do is to fix the nut behind the wheel.
Driving as a right, not a skilled activity.It's gotten to the point where in some counties (Marin County, in this example) actually had illegal aliens protest the police taking away their licenses because "they couldn't work without them.
"  Man, if people who have absolutely no right to have a driver's license in this country (legally speaking) are protesting not having licenses, I wonder how much they're really worth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31681230</id>
	<title>How to build?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269960060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The key is not to build roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The key is not to build roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key is not to build roads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674748</id>
	<title>Welcome to Pennsylvania!</title>
	<author>BigSes</author>
	<datestamp>1269976800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates</p></div><p>

Enjoy your stay!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates Enjoy your stay !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates

Enjoy your stay!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673208</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1269971460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with you about the state of FL roads.  It's scary and frustrating all at the same time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you about the state of FL roads .
It 's scary and frustrating all at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you about the state of FL roads.
It's scary and frustrating all at the same time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31677716</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1269944100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.</p> </div><p>In the US, we have a similar system.  The lights are timed almost everywhere for 5 mph over the speed limit.  ie, if you travel the speed limit, you get stopped  several times on the way, but if you go at least +5mph, you get green lights the whole way.  In some rare places, there is a small stretch where an extra +5mph (+10mph total) needs to be applied to get the green light (then slow back to just +5mph).  This is why police are always driving +5mph, and usually don't pull you over for doing the same unless you're in the +10mph zone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit , then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds , making you ( and again anyone behind you ) stop .
In the US , we have a similar system .
The lights are timed almost everywhere for 5 mph over the speed limit .
ie , if you travel the speed limit , you get stopped several times on the way , but if you go at least + 5mph , you get green lights the whole way .
In some rare places , there is a small stretch where an extra + 5mph ( + 10mph total ) needs to be applied to get the green light ( then slow back to just + 5mph ) .
This is why police are always driving + 5mph , and usually do n't pull you over for doing the same unless you 're in the + 10mph zone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.
In the US, we have a similar system.
The lights are timed almost everywhere for 5 mph over the speed limit.
ie, if you travel the speed limit, you get stopped  several times on the way, but if you go at least +5mph, you get green lights the whole way.
In some rare places, there is a small stretch where an extra +5mph (+10mph total) needs to be applied to get the green light (then slow back to just +5mph).
This is why police are always driving +5mph, and usually don't pull you over for doing the same unless you're in the +10mph zone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31685384</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270037520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't lose your license for that in the US? Or you just wouldn't care and keep driving without a license?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't lose your license for that in the US ?
Or you just would n't care and keep driving without a license ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't lose your license for that in the US?
Or you just wouldn't care and keep driving without a license?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672424</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673512</id>
	<title>Japan does the opposite</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1269972480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Japan does exactly the opposite.  It's common in Japan to have barriers between heavily traveled urban roads and sidewalks.  On the other hand, Japan has speed limits well below what US drivers would consider "normal".  The general urban speed limit in Japan is 25MPH (40Km/h)
</p><p>
A basic truth about highway design is that capacity of a lane is maximized around 35MPH.  Above that, the increased spacing between cars brings the vehicles-per-minute figure down.  On-ramp metering systems work to that number, limiting cars entering freeways to keep speed around 35MPH at peak periods.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Japan does exactly the opposite .
It 's common in Japan to have barriers between heavily traveled urban roads and sidewalks .
On the other hand , Japan has speed limits well below what US drivers would consider " normal " .
The general urban speed limit in Japan is 25MPH ( 40Km/h ) A basic truth about highway design is that capacity of a lane is maximized around 35MPH .
Above that , the increased spacing between cars brings the vehicles-per-minute figure down .
On-ramp metering systems work to that number , limiting cars entering freeways to keep speed around 35MPH at peak periods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Japan does exactly the opposite.
It's common in Japan to have barriers between heavily traveled urban roads and sidewalks.
On the other hand, Japan has speed limits well below what US drivers would consider "normal".
The general urban speed limit in Japan is 25MPH (40Km/h)

A basic truth about highway design is that capacity of a lane is maximized around 35MPH.
Above that, the increased spacing between cars brings the vehicles-per-minute figure down.
On-ramp metering systems work to that number, limiting cars entering freeways to keep speed around 35MPH at peak periods.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673662</id>
	<title>Dangerous road</title>
	<author>NoSleepDemon</author>
	<datestamp>1269972960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to live in Bradley Stoke in the UK, one of Europe's more sizeable housing estates, and they put the idea in TFA to use... And it was horrible. They introduced speed bumps every 150 metres or so in some areas, specifically designed to damage your tracking if you went over them faster than 20mph, they put cycle lanes into roads that had not been designed for them, thereby forcing traffic closer to the centre of the road (on one road, hilariously, the cycle lane actually switches sides in the middle, with no road island to help the cyclist cross over), introduced pedestrian crossings with traffic lights that *instantly* begin to switch to red when a pedestrian has pushed the walk button, and my personal favourite; put a pedestrian crossing around a blind bend on a hill so dangerous that they had to replace the road surface to increase grip in the winter.<br> <br>

Making roads more dangerous to decrease the speed of motorists only makes the road more dangerous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to live in Bradley Stoke in the UK , one of Europe 's more sizeable housing estates , and they put the idea in TFA to use... And it was horrible .
They introduced speed bumps every 150 metres or so in some areas , specifically designed to damage your tracking if you went over them faster than 20mph , they put cycle lanes into roads that had not been designed for them , thereby forcing traffic closer to the centre of the road ( on one road , hilariously , the cycle lane actually switches sides in the middle , with no road island to help the cyclist cross over ) , introduced pedestrian crossings with traffic lights that * instantly * begin to switch to red when a pedestrian has pushed the walk button , and my personal favourite ; put a pedestrian crossing around a blind bend on a hill so dangerous that they had to replace the road surface to increase grip in the winter .
Making roads more dangerous to decrease the speed of motorists only makes the road more dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to live in Bradley Stoke in the UK, one of Europe's more sizeable housing estates, and they put the idea in TFA to use... And it was horrible.
They introduced speed bumps every 150 metres or so in some areas, specifically designed to damage your tracking if you went over them faster than 20mph, they put cycle lanes into roads that had not been designed for them, thereby forcing traffic closer to the centre of the road (on one road, hilariously, the cycle lane actually switches sides in the middle, with no road island to help the cyclist cross over), introduced pedestrian crossings with traffic lights that *instantly* begin to switch to red when a pedestrian has pushed the walk button, and my personal favourite; put a pedestrian crossing around a blind bend on a hill so dangerous that they had to replace the road surface to increase grip in the winter.
Making roads more dangerous to decrease the speed of motorists only makes the road more dangerous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671620</id>
	<title>Pit traps</title>
	<author>stevied</author>
	<datestamp>1269966780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.</i>

Sadly, your strategy seems to have been widely adopted across the UK recently. I preferred the speed cameras - at least they didn't destroy your suspension<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of that is gon na work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates .
Sadly , your strategy seems to have been widely adopted across the UK recently .
I preferred the speed cameras - at least they did n't destroy your suspension . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.
Sadly, your strategy seems to have been widely adopted across the UK recently.
I preferred the speed cameras - at least they didn't destroy your suspension ..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671656</id>
	<title>So maybe a grid layout isn't such a good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds. Straight lines make people want to speed, lots of turns and twists make people want to break, so maybe making all your roads as straight as possible and thus creating grid-like layouts isn't such a good idea after all.</p><p>A side effect of less straight roads could also be a decline in traffic jams, because curved lines are longer than straight ones and thus can hold more cars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I 'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds .
Straight lines make people want to speed , lots of turns and twists make people want to break , so maybe making all your roads as straight as possible and thus creating grid-like layouts is n't such a good idea after all.A side effect of less straight roads could also be a decline in traffic jams , because curved lines are longer than straight ones and thus can hold more cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds.
Straight lines make people want to speed, lots of turns and twists make people want to break, so maybe making all your roads as straight as possible and thus creating grid-like layouts isn't such a good idea after all.A side effect of less straight roads could also be a decline in traffic jams, because curved lines are longer than straight ones and thus can hold more cars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31682642</id>
	<title>Re:Deja Vu...</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1269968280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Moderation run amok again.  Troll?  Really?  What for?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moderation run amok again .
Troll ? Really ?
What for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moderation run amok again.
Troll?  Really?
What for?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673616</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>Wyatt Earp</author>
	<datestamp>1269972780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speed limits have decreased in the last 20-30 years? What crack are you smoking?</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>For approximately thirteen years (1974&ndash;1987), no speed limit in the United States exceeded 55 mph.</p><p>Now there are no states with a maximum speed limit of 55.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speed limits have decreased in the last 20-30 years ?
What crack are you smoking ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed \ _limits \ _in \ _the \ _United \ _States [ wikipedia.org ] For approximately thirteen years ( 1974    1987 ) , no speed limit in the United States exceeded 55 mph.Now there are no states with a maximum speed limit of 55 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speed limits have decreased in the last 20-30 years?
What crack are you smoking?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States [wikipedia.org]For approximately thirteen years (1974–1987), no speed limit in the United States exceeded 55 mph.Now there are no states with a maximum speed limit of 55.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671630</id>
	<title>Slower</title>
	<author>digitaldrunkenmonk</author>
	<datestamp>1269966840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While this may cause cautious drivers to drive slower, it doesn't entirely inhibit reckless drivers from behaving dangerously. Granted, though, that reducing vehicle fatalities is an admirable goal, I dislike this method. Causing my line of sight to be cut off will piss me off, all the more so when I get stuck behind a driver than drives too slowly for the conditions, which is frustrating enough without cars that a pedestrian may walk out from unexpectedly.

Any town with a tunnel will notice, though, that drivers instinctively slow down when entering a constricted space, to my chagrin. If you can drive at 75 + on the bridge, why can't you with a roof over your head? The walls aren't any closer to the road, and the speed limit hasn't changed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While this may cause cautious drivers to drive slower , it does n't entirely inhibit reckless drivers from behaving dangerously .
Granted , though , that reducing vehicle fatalities is an admirable goal , I dislike this method .
Causing my line of sight to be cut off will piss me off , all the more so when I get stuck behind a driver than drives too slowly for the conditions , which is frustrating enough without cars that a pedestrian may walk out from unexpectedly .
Any town with a tunnel will notice , though , that drivers instinctively slow down when entering a constricted space , to my chagrin .
If you can drive at 75 + on the bridge , why ca n't you with a roof over your head ?
The walls are n't any closer to the road , and the speed limit has n't changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While this may cause cautious drivers to drive slower, it doesn't entirely inhibit reckless drivers from behaving dangerously.
Granted, though, that reducing vehicle fatalities is an admirable goal, I dislike this method.
Causing my line of sight to be cut off will piss me off, all the more so when I get stuck behind a driver than drives too slowly for the conditions, which is frustrating enough without cars that a pedestrian may walk out from unexpectedly.
Any town with a tunnel will notice, though, that drivers instinctively slow down when entering a constricted space, to my chagrin.
If you can drive at 75 + on the bridge, why can't you with a roof over your head?
The walls aren't any closer to the road, and the speed limit hasn't changed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671494</id>
	<title>Test Your Hypothesis!</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1269966480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.</p></div><p>Nonsense, be a little bit more persistent.  Apply for a government grant.  Work out a deal with the overpopulated prison system to allow test inmates good behavior parole if they survive the course.  Conduct a double blind study to see which method drivers prefer.  <br> <br>

Don't underestimate your ideas, you may have something here.  I think with a few minor modifications (like filling the pits with black mambas or loaded claymores) we could gently urge drivers through natural human fears to drive slower.  I'm already afraid of getting a ticket when I speed, why not step it up a notch or two?  <br> <br>

Conduct your experiments<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... in the name of <b>science</b>!  I mean, the dystopian Mad Max future isn't going to herald itself!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of that is gon na work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.Nonsense , be a little bit more persistent .
Apply for a government grant .
Work out a deal with the overpopulated prison system to allow test inmates good behavior parole if they survive the course .
Conduct a double blind study to see which method drivers prefer .
Do n't underestimate your ideas , you may have something here .
I think with a few minor modifications ( like filling the pits with black mambas or loaded claymores ) we could gently urge drivers through natural human fears to drive slower .
I 'm already afraid of getting a ticket when I speed , why not step it up a notch or two ?
Conduct your experiments ... in the name of science !
I mean , the dystopian Mad Max future is n't going to herald itself !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.Nonsense, be a little bit more persistent.
Apply for a government grant.
Work out a deal with the overpopulated prison system to allow test inmates good behavior parole if they survive the course.
Conduct a double blind study to see which method drivers prefer.
Don't underestimate your ideas, you may have something here.
I think with a few minor modifications (like filling the pits with black mambas or loaded claymores) we could gently urge drivers through natural human fears to drive slower.
I'm already afraid of getting a ticket when I speed, why not step it up a notch or two?
Conduct your experiments ... in the name of science!
I mean, the dystopian Mad Max future isn't going to herald itself!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31694616</id>
	<title>In Bulgaria</title>
	<author>badkarmadayaccount</author>
	<datestamp>1270036080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have already mastered this method of traffic control, and I'm gonna let you in on the secret - potholes like a result from a bomb-strike.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have already mastered this method of traffic control , and I 'm gon na let you in on the secret - potholes like a result from a bomb-strike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have already mastered this method of traffic control, and I'm gonna let you in on the secret - potholes like a result from a bomb-strike.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672512</id>
	<title>"reducing the rates of passenger fatalities"</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1269969360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Germany: No speed limit; fatality &amp; accident rates amongst the lowest world-wide.</p><p>You were saying?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Germany : No speed limit ; fatality &amp; accident rates amongst the lowest world-wide.You were saying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Germany: No speed limit; fatality &amp; accident rates amongst the lowest world-wide.You were saying?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671822</id>
	<title>Solving the wrong problem?</title>
	<author>bosef1</author>
	<datestamp>1269967320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article seems unclear as to whether it is dealing with two-lane roads in urban or rural environments.  There are a lot of rural two-lane roads in my area that I would prefer to see rebuilt with wider lanes and sholders that would let me safely drive faster.</p><p>Overall though, I'm not sure that designing roads (at least roads for automobiles) to slow down traffic is the problem that needs to be solved.  My idea of road is a device that allows cars and other vehicles to travel \_quickly\_ and efficiently while preventing accidents that result in property damage, personal injury, and death.  Instead of slowing roads down, I would prefer fast straight roads (within the constraints of preventing highway hypnosis) with additional controls and seperations to prevent the mixing of pedestrians, cyclists, and wildlife.  That would include seperated grade automobile, bicycle, and pedestrial pathways, and fences and barriers to reduce cross-grade intrusions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article seems unclear as to whether it is dealing with two-lane roads in urban or rural environments .
There are a lot of rural two-lane roads in my area that I would prefer to see rebuilt with wider lanes and sholders that would let me safely drive faster.Overall though , I 'm not sure that designing roads ( at least roads for automobiles ) to slow down traffic is the problem that needs to be solved .
My idea of road is a device that allows cars and other vehicles to travel \ _quickly \ _ and efficiently while preventing accidents that result in property damage , personal injury , and death .
Instead of slowing roads down , I would prefer fast straight roads ( within the constraints of preventing highway hypnosis ) with additional controls and seperations to prevent the mixing of pedestrians , cyclists , and wildlife .
That would include seperated grade automobile , bicycle , and pedestrial pathways , and fences and barriers to reduce cross-grade intrusions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article seems unclear as to whether it is dealing with two-lane roads in urban or rural environments.
There are a lot of rural two-lane roads in my area that I would prefer to see rebuilt with wider lanes and sholders that would let me safely drive faster.Overall though, I'm not sure that designing roads (at least roads for automobiles) to slow down traffic is the problem that needs to be solved.
My idea of road is a device that allows cars and other vehicles to travel \_quickly\_ and efficiently while preventing accidents that result in property damage, personal injury, and death.
Instead of slowing roads down, I would prefer fast straight roads (within the constraints of preventing highway hypnosis) with additional controls and seperations to prevent the mixing of pedestrians, cyclists, and wildlife.
That would include seperated grade automobile, bicycle, and pedestrial pathways, and fences and barriers to reduce cross-grade intrusions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673772</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1269973320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?"</p><p>The guidance system in automobiles has not been upgraded in thousands of years.  It has a very slow response time, its memory is faulty, and its visual sensors are inaccurate.  It also has a tendancy to multitask at unexpected moments, resulting in inadequate computing resources for the task at hand.</p><p>I really wonder how you expect motor vehicles to go faster when their control systems are already loaded to capacity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Cars today have more horsepower , more traction , better safety , and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet , our speed limits have decreased. .
Why ? " The guidance system in automobiles has not been upgraded in thousands of years .
It has a very slow response time , its memory is faulty , and its visual sensors are inaccurate .
It also has a tendancy to multitask at unexpected moments , resulting in inadequate computing resources for the task at hand.I really wonder how you expect motor vehicles to go faster when their control systems are already loaded to capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased..
Why?"The guidance system in automobiles has not been upgraded in thousands of years.
It has a very slow response time, its memory is faulty, and its visual sensors are inaccurate.
It also has a tendancy to multitask at unexpected moments, resulting in inadequate computing resources for the task at hand.I really wonder how you expect motor vehicles to go faster when their control systems are already loaded to capacity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671730</id>
	<title>It doesn't work.</title>
	<author>SoTerrified</author>
	<datestamp>1269967080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a former employee of an international road transportation company, we studied the exact same thing.</p><p>Interesting fact.  When someone is driving in a place they don't know, they drive slower.  You can duplicate the effect by making changes to a known environment, like this study does by adding cars to the roadside.  Second interesting fact?  Once the changes become 'known', speeds return to what they were previously.  I notice this part is somehow absent in the claims that "the lower speeds make things safer."</p><p>If I was from the University of Connecticut, I'd be embarrassed to be releasing this study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a former employee of an international road transportation company , we studied the exact same thing.Interesting fact .
When someone is driving in a place they do n't know , they drive slower .
You can duplicate the effect by making changes to a known environment , like this study does by adding cars to the roadside .
Second interesting fact ?
Once the changes become 'known ' , speeds return to what they were previously .
I notice this part is somehow absent in the claims that " the lower speeds make things safer .
" If I was from the University of Connecticut , I 'd be embarrassed to be releasing this study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a former employee of an international road transportation company, we studied the exact same thing.Interesting fact.
When someone is driving in a place they don't know, they drive slower.
You can duplicate the effect by making changes to a known environment, like this study does by adding cars to the roadside.
Second interesting fact?
Once the changes become 'known', speeds return to what they were previously.
I notice this part is somehow absent in the claims that "the lower speeds make things safer.
"If I was from the University of Connecticut, I'd be embarrassed to be releasing this study.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672536</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>wes33</author>
	<datestamp>1269969480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas"</p><p>I like that - there should be a area where all the dunces live.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas " I like that - there should be a area where all the dunces live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas"I like that - there should be a area where all the dunces live.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671580</id>
	<title>How To Build Roads To Control How Fast You Drive?</title>
	<author>zummit</author>
	<datestamp>1269966720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How To Build Roads To Control How Fast You Drive?</p><p>Simple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... speed bumps!  [Speed dips also acceptable.]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How To Build Roads To Control How Fast You Drive ? Simple ... speed bumps !
[ Speed dips also acceptable .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How To Build Roads To Control How Fast You Drive?Simple ... speed bumps!
[Speed dips also acceptable.
]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672216</id>
	<title>Re:So maybe a grid layout isn't such a good idea</title>
	<author>Kral\_Blbec</author>
	<datestamp>1269968400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that you spend more time on the road  because there is more road to travel and you are going slower.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that you spend more time on the road because there is more road to travel and you are going slower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that you spend more time on the road  because there is more road to travel and you are going slower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672890</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1269970560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glad someone has the same reaction as I do.  The purpose of cars and roads is to get somewhere. The goal is to do that effectively and safely, not to render it ineffective using any number of secondary goals as an excuse. We could all just walk, after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glad someone has the same reaction as I do .
The purpose of cars and roads is to get somewhere .
The goal is to do that effectively and safely , not to render it ineffective using any number of secondary goals as an excuse .
We could all just walk , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glad someone has the same reaction as I do.
The purpose of cars and roads is to get somewhere.
The goal is to do that effectively and safely, not to render it ineffective using any number of secondary goals as an excuse.
We could all just walk, after all.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672744</id>
	<title>Speed down... more?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269970080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really think we need to focus on getting faster instead of slower traffic... or reduce the number of vehicles around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really think we need to focus on getting faster instead of slower traffic... or reduce the number of vehicles around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really think we need to focus on getting faster instead of slower traffic... or reduce the number of vehicles around.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671604</id>
	<title>Two basic ways to do it</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1269966780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) You can make the road look more dangerous, e.g. with optical illusions to make it look narrower</p><p>2) You can make the road actually and obviously more dangerous, e.g. reducing sight lines and adding on-street parking</p><p>Number 2 works, but it doesn't increase safety.  Number 1 works... for a while.  My concern with #1 is that drivers will realize they are being fooled, and start speeding up again.  That's OK, except they may then interpret the real situation that the illusion was imitating as an illusion, and fail to take it into account, resulting in a net decrease in safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) You can make the road look more dangerous , e.g .
with optical illusions to make it look narrower2 ) You can make the road actually and obviously more dangerous , e.g .
reducing sight lines and adding on-street parkingNumber 2 works , but it does n't increase safety .
Number 1 works... for a while .
My concern with # 1 is that drivers will realize they are being fooled , and start speeding up again .
That 's OK , except they may then interpret the real situation that the illusion was imitating as an illusion , and fail to take it into account , resulting in a net decrease in safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) You can make the road look more dangerous, e.g.
with optical illusions to make it look narrower2) You can make the road actually and obviously more dangerous, e.g.
reducing sight lines and adding on-street parkingNumber 2 works, but it doesn't increase safety.
Number 1 works... for a while.
My concern with #1 is that drivers will realize they are being fooled, and start speeding up again.
That's OK, except they may then interpret the real situation that the illusion was imitating as an illusion, and fail to take it into account, resulting in a net decrease in safety.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672144</id>
	<title>Re:Might have the opposite effect</title>
	<author>hipp5</author>
	<datestamp>1269968160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It may be the case that free flowing traffic has more deadly accidents (due to the higher speeds involved) than accidents on congested roads, but the congested roads have a much much higher rate of accidents.</p></div><p>But that's exactly the point. Wouldn't you prefer to crumple a few more bumpers in exchange for killing a few less people? I, personally, would define that as safer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It may be the case that free flowing traffic has more deadly accidents ( due to the higher speeds involved ) than accidents on congested roads , but the congested roads have a much much higher rate of accidents.But that 's exactly the point .
Would n't you prefer to crumple a few more bumpers in exchange for killing a few less people ?
I , personally , would define that as safer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may be the case that free flowing traffic has more deadly accidents (due to the higher speeds involved) than accidents on congested roads, but the congested roads have a much much higher rate of accidents.But that's exactly the point.
Wouldn't you prefer to crumple a few more bumpers in exchange for killing a few less people?
I, personally, would define that as safer.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31686476</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>worf\_mo</author>
	<datestamp>1270045380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You wouldn't do that for very long. We have a similar system here in Italy. It is not in use everywhere, but in selected locations; you drive too fast, the traffic signal turns red. If you keep going, a picture is taken and you get a ticket for running a red traffic light. Take into account that you <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point\_system\_(driving)#Italy" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">lose points</a> [wikipedia.org] for each traffic violation, and your driver's license can be revoked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would n't do that for very long .
We have a similar system here in Italy .
It is not in use everywhere , but in selected locations ; you drive too fast , the traffic signal turns red .
If you keep going , a picture is taken and you get a ticket for running a red traffic light .
Take into account that you lose points [ wikipedia.org ] for each traffic violation , and your driver 's license can be revoked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You wouldn't do that for very long.
We have a similar system here in Italy.
It is not in use everywhere, but in selected locations; you drive too fast, the traffic signal turns red.
If you keep going, a picture is taken and you get a ticket for running a red traffic light.
Take into account that you lose points [wikipedia.org] for each traffic violation, and your driver's license can be revoked.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31678986</id>
	<title>Dropping the speed limit is more dangerous</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1269949620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its differences in speed that cause problems, not speed itself.<br>Dropping the speed limit is actually more dangerous because it causes more frustration and lane-swapping.<br>The speed limits are already ridiculously low because its beeen subverted into a revenue-generating mechanism under the guise of safety. To save lives they need to increase speed limits and make driving tests harder, not block the roads up even more.<br>The cops should spend more time watching out for all the morons that apply makeup or text while driving. I see cops ignore that stuff all the time, but driving safely wile going more than 5 mph over an unrealistically low limit will get you stopped all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its differences in speed that cause problems , not speed itself.Dropping the speed limit is actually more dangerous because it causes more frustration and lane-swapping.The speed limits are already ridiculously low because its beeen subverted into a revenue-generating mechanism under the guise of safety .
To save lives they need to increase speed limits and make driving tests harder , not block the roads up even more.The cops should spend more time watching out for all the morons that apply makeup or text while driving .
I see cops ignore that stuff all the time , but driving safely wile going more than 5 mph over an unrealistically low limit will get you stopped all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its differences in speed that cause problems, not speed itself.Dropping the speed limit is actually more dangerous because it causes more frustration and lane-swapping.The speed limits are already ridiculously low because its beeen subverted into a revenue-generating mechanism under the guise of safety.
To save lives they need to increase speed limits and make driving tests harder, not block the roads up even more.The cops should spend more time watching out for all the morons that apply makeup or text while driving.
I see cops ignore that stuff all the time, but driving safely wile going more than 5 mph over an unrealistically low limit will get you stopped all the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675390</id>
	<title>Correlation vs. Causation</title>
	<author>spmkk</author>
	<datestamp>1269979620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"...encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities..."</i>
<br>
<br>
We should also encourage people to eat less ice cream, reducing the rates of skin cancer. After all, places where people eat more ice cream see a higher incidence of skin cancer, so ice cream is clearly the cause.
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There is a deep flaw with statements like, "Speed is a factor in X percent of fatal accidents", "Mobile phone use is a factor in X percent of crashes", etc. And it's sad to see this flaw repeated thoughtlessly on Slashdot, a community of people who purportedly believe in the scientific method.
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The presence of a characteristic in a given scenario does not make it an influencing factor. These individual actions are not causal factors - many of them (driving "fast", using a mobile phone, etc.) can arguably be done perfectly safely in the right circumstances. The causal factor is bad judgment: not understanding when it's prudent to slow down, when to ignore a phone call in favor of driving more attentively because the situation calls for it, etc.
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We do our society a disservice when we ban or try to eliminate everything that COULD be a danger if done foolishly, rather than try to redress the foolishness. It leads to needless restrictions that limit self-determination with little to <a href="http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story/Study-shows-no-fewer-crashes-in-NY-despite-cell/c9GhDpNoUkeh8pFN9igbdw.cspx" title="9wsyr.com" rel="nofollow">no benefit</a> [9wsyr.com].
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(Note: I do believe it's fair to say that drunk driving is a factor in accidents - the difference being that alcohol is a <i>cause</i> of bad judgment while things like driving too fast for the conditions are an <i>effect</i> of bad judgment.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...encourage automobilists to drive less quickly , reducing the rates of passenger fatalities... " We should also encourage people to eat less ice cream , reducing the rates of skin cancer .
After all , places where people eat more ice cream see a higher incidence of skin cancer , so ice cream is clearly the cause .
There is a deep flaw with statements like , " Speed is a factor in X percent of fatal accidents " , " Mobile phone use is a factor in X percent of crashes " , etc .
And it 's sad to see this flaw repeated thoughtlessly on Slashdot , a community of people who purportedly believe in the scientific method .
The presence of a characteristic in a given scenario does not make it an influencing factor .
These individual actions are not causal factors - many of them ( driving " fast " , using a mobile phone , etc .
) can arguably be done perfectly safely in the right circumstances .
The causal factor is bad judgment : not understanding when it 's prudent to slow down , when to ignore a phone call in favor of driving more attentively because the situation calls for it , etc .
We do our society a disservice when we ban or try to eliminate everything that COULD be a danger if done foolishly , rather than try to redress the foolishness .
It leads to needless restrictions that limit self-determination with little to no benefit [ 9wsyr.com ] .
( Note : I do believe it 's fair to say that drunk driving is a factor in accidents - the difference being that alcohol is a cause of bad judgment while things like driving too fast for the conditions are an effect of bad judgment .
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<sentencetext>"...encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities..."


We should also encourage people to eat less ice cream, reducing the rates of skin cancer.
After all, places where people eat more ice cream see a higher incidence of skin cancer, so ice cream is clearly the cause.
There is a deep flaw with statements like, "Speed is a factor in X percent of fatal accidents", "Mobile phone use is a factor in X percent of crashes", etc.
And it's sad to see this flaw repeated thoughtlessly on Slashdot, a community of people who purportedly believe in the scientific method.
The presence of a characteristic in a given scenario does not make it an influencing factor.
These individual actions are not causal factors - many of them (driving "fast", using a mobile phone, etc.
) can arguably be done perfectly safely in the right circumstances.
The causal factor is bad judgment: not understanding when it's prudent to slow down, when to ignore a phone call in favor of driving more attentively because the situation calls for it, etc.
We do our society a disservice when we ban or try to eliminate everything that COULD be a danger if done foolishly, rather than try to redress the foolishness.
It leads to needless restrictions that limit self-determination with little to no benefit [9wsyr.com].
(Note: I do believe it's fair to say that drunk driving is a factor in accidents - the difference being that alcohol is a cause of bad judgment while things like driving too fast for the conditions are an effect of bad judgment.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674364</id>
	<title>Seattle</title>
	<author>dacarr</author>
	<datestamp>1269975300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All they have to do is look at the streets of Seattle, WA, US for good examples.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All they have to do is look at the streets of Seattle , WA , US for good examples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they have to do is look at the streets of Seattle, WA, US for good examples.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673220</id>
	<title>Re:Might have the opposite effect</title>
	<author>bendodge</author>
	<datestamp>1269971460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's all wonderful, but why is the point always to slow people down or reduce accidents? From my point of view, the goal is to get me there faster. I do NOT want to drive slower and watch the pedestrians walk around. I have computers to repair, parts to deliver, etc, and the freeway is wonderful. I hate trying to get through the inner cities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's all wonderful , but why is the point always to slow people down or reduce accidents ?
From my point of view , the goal is to get me there faster .
I do NOT want to drive slower and watch the pedestrians walk around .
I have computers to repair , parts to deliver , etc , and the freeway is wonderful .
I hate trying to get through the inner cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's all wonderful, but why is the point always to slow people down or reduce accidents?
From my point of view, the goal is to get me there faster.
I do NOT want to drive slower and watch the pedestrians walk around.
I have computers to repair, parts to deliver, etc, and the freeway is wonderful.
I hate trying to get through the inner cities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671466</id>
	<title>How about making it safer for higher speeds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>That way people are on the road for less time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That way people are on the road for less time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That way people are on the road for less time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673722</id>
	<title>Re:Roundabouts?</title>
	<author>elf</author>
	<datestamp>1269973140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>

When we moved to the US from the UK, my dad commented on the number of Traffic Lights everywhere instead of roundabouts. His comment was something to the effect of "the guy that invented traffic lights must have made a fortune and split it with the people planning the roads".
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I see it all over the place in every state I've lived in, places where a bad traffic intersection could have been made smoother with a simple roundabout. As the years pass by they rebuild the intersections again and again, and always trying different ways of setting up the lights, or adding turning lanes, or removing them. Never do they try a new roundabout. In fact the only ones I can think of are ones that have been there for years and years, and even they seem fewer and fewer. =(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When we moved to the US from the UK , my dad commented on the number of Traffic Lights everywhere instead of roundabouts .
His comment was something to the effect of " the guy that invented traffic lights must have made a fortune and split it with the people planning the roads " .
I see it all over the place in every state I 've lived in , places where a bad traffic intersection could have been made smoother with a simple roundabout .
As the years pass by they rebuild the intersections again and again , and always trying different ways of setting up the lights , or adding turning lanes , or removing them .
Never do they try a new roundabout .
In fact the only ones I can think of are ones that have been there for years and years , and even they seem fewer and fewer .
= (</tokentext>
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When we moved to the US from the UK, my dad commented on the number of Traffic Lights everywhere instead of roundabouts.
His comment was something to the effect of "the guy that invented traffic lights must have made a fortune and split it with the people planning the roads".
I see it all over the place in every state I've lived in, places where a bad traffic intersection could have been made smoother with a simple roundabout.
As the years pass by they rebuild the intersections again and again, and always trying different ways of setting up the lights, or adding turning lanes, or removing them.
Never do they try a new roundabout.
In fact the only ones I can think of are ones that have been there for years and years, and even they seem fewer and fewer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674558</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1269976080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you need to check your reality again.</p><p>I was there when they started running ambulances down the interestates with lights/sirens on to find and ticket people who didn't pull over.</p><p>Cars today actually have less horsepower.  Traction really hasn't changed on any sort of high speed road, its far better on poorly made roads as the components react better, but on an Interstate theres not really much of a difference.</p><p>What you see happening has nothing to do with the govenor and everything to do with having a state thats 95\% retirees that are completely unaware of their surroundings and don't pull over.  They infact generally think its a good idea to sit right next to the car beside them as a reference point.</p><p>What doesn't help is the half mile of bumper to bumper cars going 70 mph behind them.</p><p>Back the fuck off, you'd be amazed at what happens if you just drop back a few car lengths from the cars in front of you.  When you're packed in like tuna in a can you can't do anything to go around, back up.  Wait for them to shift around a little<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... they will.   Find an opening and open it.  If you want to be nice, get infront of one of the assholes and slow down to push them back and make room for others, but thats a good way to get yourself in an accident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you need to check your reality again.I was there when they started running ambulances down the interestates with lights/sirens on to find and ticket people who did n't pull over.Cars today actually have less horsepower .
Traction really has n't changed on any sort of high speed road , its far better on poorly made roads as the components react better , but on an Interstate theres not really much of a difference.What you see happening has nothing to do with the govenor and everything to do with having a state thats 95 \ % retirees that are completely unaware of their surroundings and do n't pull over .
They infact generally think its a good idea to sit right next to the car beside them as a reference point.What does n't help is the half mile of bumper to bumper cars going 70 mph behind them.Back the fuck off , you 'd be amazed at what happens if you just drop back a few car lengths from the cars in front of you .
When you 're packed in like tuna in a can you ca n't do anything to go around , back up .
Wait for them to shift around a little ... they will .
Find an opening and open it .
If you want to be nice , get infront of one of the assholes and slow down to push them back and make room for others , but thats a good way to get yourself in an accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you need to check your reality again.I was there when they started running ambulances down the interestates with lights/sirens on to find and ticket people who didn't pull over.Cars today actually have less horsepower.
Traction really hasn't changed on any sort of high speed road, its far better on poorly made roads as the components react better, but on an Interstate theres not really much of a difference.What you see happening has nothing to do with the govenor and everything to do with having a state thats 95\% retirees that are completely unaware of their surroundings and don't pull over.
They infact generally think its a good idea to sit right next to the car beside them as a reference point.What doesn't help is the half mile of bumper to bumper cars going 70 mph behind them.Back the fuck off, you'd be amazed at what happens if you just drop back a few car lengths from the cars in front of you.
When you're packed in like tuna in a can you can't do anything to go around, back up.
Wait for them to shift around a little ... they will.
Find an opening and open it.
If you want to be nice, get infront of one of the assholes and slow down to push them back and make room for others, but thats a good way to get yourself in an accident.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672602</id>
	<title>survival of the slowest?</title>
	<author>roman\_mir</author>
	<datestamp>1269969660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is really idiotic, what is it, the 'survival of the slowest' law?  Here is what I see on roads in Baden Baden, Germany.  There are many narrow mountain roads here, you'd think people would slow down, many drive very quickly right through the turns, the twists, whatever.  The autobahn is amazing, no matter how fast you are going, there will be someone zooming right past you.  In the city there are limits that are a bit lower than what I am used to from North America, but those are normally very short stretches of the road where they don't want you to make too much noise, people really mostly follow the speed limits very closely.  There is a very well developed public transit system here, and this is not including the railroads.  There are many roundabouts and they are wonderful, you have to slow down but often you can go through it without any stop, and it is an intersection, there are no lights there.  Seems intuitive and friendly enough, however in the city core the streets are often so narrow between two very close buildings that you just can't go fast, but you don't expect to.  But this would not work for a large city, it would be completely stuck, there are only a few tens of thousands of people living here.  It would not work for Toronto for example (which was just named as the city with the worst traffic ever, it takes people more than 80 minutes on average to commute both ways and the public transportation is not growing.)</p><p>No no no, if you want people to slow down, you are doing it wrong.  You need to get people into public transportation system, then there will be fewer people driving and there would be more space on the road, yes people would go faster, but there would be fewer fatalities still, if fewer people are behind the wheel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is really idiotic , what is it , the 'survival of the slowest ' law ?
Here is what I see on roads in Baden Baden , Germany .
There are many narrow mountain roads here , you 'd think people would slow down , many drive very quickly right through the turns , the twists , whatever .
The autobahn is amazing , no matter how fast you are going , there will be someone zooming right past you .
In the city there are limits that are a bit lower than what I am used to from North America , but those are normally very short stretches of the road where they do n't want you to make too much noise , people really mostly follow the speed limits very closely .
There is a very well developed public transit system here , and this is not including the railroads .
There are many roundabouts and they are wonderful , you have to slow down but often you can go through it without any stop , and it is an intersection , there are no lights there .
Seems intuitive and friendly enough , however in the city core the streets are often so narrow between two very close buildings that you just ca n't go fast , but you do n't expect to .
But this would not work for a large city , it would be completely stuck , there are only a few tens of thousands of people living here .
It would not work for Toronto for example ( which was just named as the city with the worst traffic ever , it takes people more than 80 minutes on average to commute both ways and the public transportation is not growing .
) No no no , if you want people to slow down , you are doing it wrong .
You need to get people into public transportation system , then there will be fewer people driving and there would be more space on the road , yes people would go faster , but there would be fewer fatalities still , if fewer people are behind the wheel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is really idiotic, what is it, the 'survival of the slowest' law?
Here is what I see on roads in Baden Baden, Germany.
There are many narrow mountain roads here, you'd think people would slow down, many drive very quickly right through the turns, the twists, whatever.
The autobahn is amazing, no matter how fast you are going, there will be someone zooming right past you.
In the city there are limits that are a bit lower than what I am used to from North America, but those are normally very short stretches of the road where they don't want you to make too much noise, people really mostly follow the speed limits very closely.
There is a very well developed public transit system here, and this is not including the railroads.
There are many roundabouts and they are wonderful, you have to slow down but often you can go through it without any stop, and it is an intersection, there are no lights there.
Seems intuitive and friendly enough, however in the city core the streets are often so narrow between two very close buildings that you just can't go fast, but you don't expect to.
But this would not work for a large city, it would be completely stuck, there are only a few tens of thousands of people living here.
It would not work for Toronto for example (which was just named as the city with the worst traffic ever, it takes people more than 80 minutes on average to commute both ways and the public transportation is not growing.
)No no no, if you want people to slow down, you are doing it wrong.
You need to get people into public transportation system, then there will be fewer people driving and there would be more space on the road, yes people would go faster, but there would be fewer fatalities still, if fewer people are behind the wheel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675062</id>
	<title>Why hasn't anyone noticed...</title>
	<author>TaleSpinner</author>
	<datestamp>1269978120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that the more we slow down traffic "for safety" the more incidents of "road rage" we generate by forcing people to drive longer?  What good is all this safety going to do if the guy behind me snaps and tries to ram past on the shoulder?</p><p>The principle problem with gov't today is the level of frustration it creates in people.  That is the real source of the anger in the country, and the real genesis of the Tea Party.  People are already at the breaking point, why does anyone think that making the problem worse is going to make us safer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that the more we slow down traffic " for safety " the more incidents of " road rage " we generate by forcing people to drive longer ?
What good is all this safety going to do if the guy behind me snaps and tries to ram past on the shoulder ? The principle problem with gov't today is the level of frustration it creates in people .
That is the real source of the anger in the country , and the real genesis of the Tea Party .
People are already at the breaking point , why does anyone think that making the problem worse is going to make us safer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that the more we slow down traffic "for safety" the more incidents of "road rage" we generate by forcing people to drive longer?
What good is all this safety going to do if the guy behind me snaps and tries to ram past on the shoulder?The principle problem with gov't today is the level of frustration it creates in people.
That is the real source of the anger in the country, and the real genesis of the Tea Party.
People are already at the breaking point, why does anyone think that making the problem worse is going to make us safer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672798</id>
	<title>poorly executed near me</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1269970260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in a major metropolitan city in the US Northeast.  Our road, a medium-busy street was reconstructed recently to include these so-called traffic calming mechanisms.  Near the major non-intersection crosswalks, the road was narrowed by expanding the sidewalk.  If you look at a plan of the road, it seems to make sense, the road gets significantly narrower at exactly the points where you want the traffic to slow for reasons of pedestrian safety.  Great.</p><p>Except that the urban planners failed to take into account that this road is in a section of town that has too-few metered parking spaces, so the parking spots are always full.  And by "always", I mean over 90 percent of the time.  Mornings, afternoons, evenings, nights.  It's hard to find metered parking.  This means that the parked cars are *already* performing the narrowing function, and all that happened was the city eliminated four parking spots (two on each side of the road) per crosswalk.  Where there used to be parked cars the vast majority of the time, there's now sidewalk.  Traffic calming failed utterly, as from the driver's perspective, the width of passable road has not changed one whit, and we are left with even fewer metered spots than before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in a major metropolitan city in the US Northeast .
Our road , a medium-busy street was reconstructed recently to include these so-called traffic calming mechanisms .
Near the major non-intersection crosswalks , the road was narrowed by expanding the sidewalk .
If you look at a plan of the road , it seems to make sense , the road gets significantly narrower at exactly the points where you want the traffic to slow for reasons of pedestrian safety .
Great.Except that the urban planners failed to take into account that this road is in a section of town that has too-few metered parking spaces , so the parking spots are always full .
And by " always " , I mean over 90 percent of the time .
Mornings , afternoons , evenings , nights .
It 's hard to find metered parking .
This means that the parked cars are * already * performing the narrowing function , and all that happened was the city eliminated four parking spots ( two on each side of the road ) per crosswalk .
Where there used to be parked cars the vast majority of the time , there 's now sidewalk .
Traffic calming failed utterly , as from the driver 's perspective , the width of passable road has not changed one whit , and we are left with even fewer metered spots than before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in a major metropolitan city in the US Northeast.
Our road, a medium-busy street was reconstructed recently to include these so-called traffic calming mechanisms.
Near the major non-intersection crosswalks, the road was narrowed by expanding the sidewalk.
If you look at a plan of the road, it seems to make sense, the road gets significantly narrower at exactly the points where you want the traffic to slow for reasons of pedestrian safety.
Great.Except that the urban planners failed to take into account that this road is in a section of town that has too-few metered parking spaces, so the parking spots are always full.
And by "always", I mean over 90 percent of the time.
Mornings, afternoons, evenings, nights.
It's hard to find metered parking.
This means that the parked cars are *already* performing the narrowing function, and all that happened was the city eliminated four parking spots (two on each side of the road) per crosswalk.
Where there used to be parked cars the vast majority of the time, there's now sidewalk.
Traffic calming failed utterly, as from the driver's perspective, the width of passable road has not changed one whit, and we are left with even fewer metered spots than before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672106</id>
	<title>Re:So maybe a grid layout isn't such a good idea</title>
	<author>Bromskloss</author>
	<datestamp>1269968100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds.</p></div><p>Hey, it's the curvy roads that encourage "inspired driving"! Straights are only good for "steering lock" racing, which isn't much fun.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I 'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds.Hey , it 's the curvy roads that encourage " inspired driving " !
Straights are only good for " steering lock " racing , which is n't much fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds.Hey, it's the curvy roads that encourage "inspired driving"!
Straights are only good for "steering lock" racing, which isn't much fun.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674540</id>
	<title>Re:We found a subtle way... (proof of the premise)</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1269976020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're an idiot.</p><p>You know what parents do to solve this problem?  TEACH THEIR KIDS NOT TO PLAY IN THE FUCKING ROAD.</p><p>Please though, continue to play around in the street like an idiot, one less of you in the gene pool is a great idea in my opinion.</p><p>I know why you have accidents, apparently you don't.</p><p>First off: Don't play in the street dip shit.  Pay attention when you cross the road, its not really hard.  Teach your kids to be aware of the world around them and they'll live a lot longer than trying to change the world to suit them.</p><p>Second off: Don't like the traffic on the street?  Why do you have a house with children on a dangerous street?  You know what our ancient ancestories did when they lived in a dangerous area?  THEY MOVED.  Thats how you get out of dangerous situations, you leave them.  You are aware that you live in a dangerous location, yet you stay, and expect that the world will change to fit what you want<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... whats worse is its not even a new situation for you, you've obviously been there for a while.</p><blockquote><div><p>For now, I'll enjoy the sound of engine breaking as the big trucks (the ones that want to run through the stretch at 55 mph!) slow down each time they see the kids in the driveway or the yard.</p></div></blockquote><p>And exactly what are you going to enjoy when you hear the sound of a big truck trying to slow down but not doing so before it turns your children into a red spot on the road?</p><p>You sir and an idiot and need to be removed from the gene pool.  I feel sorry for your children, they got short changed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You 're an idiot.You know what parents do to solve this problem ?
TEACH THEIR KIDS NOT TO PLAY IN THE FUCKING ROAD.Please though , continue to play around in the street like an idiot , one less of you in the gene pool is a great idea in my opinion.I know why you have accidents , apparently you do n't.First off : Do n't play in the street dip shit .
Pay attention when you cross the road , its not really hard .
Teach your kids to be aware of the world around them and they 'll live a lot longer than trying to change the world to suit them.Second off : Do n't like the traffic on the street ?
Why do you have a house with children on a dangerous street ?
You know what our ancient ancestories did when they lived in a dangerous area ?
THEY MOVED .
Thats how you get out of dangerous situations , you leave them .
You are aware that you live in a dangerous location , yet you stay , and expect that the world will change to fit what you want ... whats worse is its not even a new situation for you , you 've obviously been there for a while.For now , I 'll enjoy the sound of engine breaking as the big trucks ( the ones that want to run through the stretch at 55 mph !
) slow down each time they see the kids in the driveway or the yard.And exactly what are you going to enjoy when you hear the sound of a big truck trying to slow down but not doing so before it turns your children into a red spot on the road ? You sir and an idiot and need to be removed from the gene pool .
I feel sorry for your children , they got short changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're an idiot.You know what parents do to solve this problem?
TEACH THEIR KIDS NOT TO PLAY IN THE FUCKING ROAD.Please though, continue to play around in the street like an idiot, one less of you in the gene pool is a great idea in my opinion.I know why you have accidents, apparently you don't.First off: Don't play in the street dip shit.
Pay attention when you cross the road, its not really hard.
Teach your kids to be aware of the world around them and they'll live a lot longer than trying to change the world to suit them.Second off: Don't like the traffic on the street?
Why do you have a house with children on a dangerous street?
You know what our ancient ancestories did when they lived in a dangerous area?
THEY MOVED.
Thats how you get out of dangerous situations, you leave them.
You are aware that you live in a dangerous location, yet you stay, and expect that the world will change to fit what you want ... whats worse is its not even a new situation for you, you've obviously been there for a while.For now, I'll enjoy the sound of engine breaking as the big trucks (the ones that want to run through the stretch at 55 mph!
) slow down each time they see the kids in the driveway or the yard.And exactly what are you going to enjoy when you hear the sound of a big truck trying to slow down but not doing so before it turns your children into a red spot on the road?You sir and an idiot and need to be removed from the gene pool.
I feel sorry for your children, they got short changed.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672072</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269967980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NO, you can make them more annoying to drive at higher speeds.</p><p>Cut groove in the road. The slow you want someone to go, the closer the groove are.</p><p>Also, a Police car driving the speed limit tends to keep people at the desired speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NO , you can make them more annoying to drive at higher speeds.Cut groove in the road .
The slow you want someone to go , the closer the groove are.Also , a Police car driving the speed limit tends to keep people at the desired speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NO, you can make them more annoying to drive at higher speeds.Cut groove in the road.
The slow you want someone to go, the closer the groove are.Also, a Police car driving the speed limit tends to keep people at the desired speed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672482</id>
	<title>We found a subtle way... (proof of the premise)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269969300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Folks in our town have been trying to slow down traffic on one of the main routes that passes along a mixed-use corridor: residential housing, commercial, and industrial properties all along a half-mile stretch.  The speed limit is 45 mph.<br> <br>That wouldn't be too bad if not for two factors: 1) the street lies between a residential neighborhood and the local elementary school, and 2) there's a convenience store along the route with very high vehicle and foot traffic.  Since we moved onto that stretch, we've witnessed about six accidents each year in front of the convenience store. The convenience store happens to be at the most-common crossing point for kids going to the school, too.  Since we are living along the stretch and have young children, we've added our voice to local efforts to reduce the speed to 30 mph.  The city would like the speed reduced, but it is technically a county road, and the county won't change it.  For the past few years, we've told our kids not to play in the front yard (facing the street) or in the driveway.  This year, we reversed ourselves.  Just last weekend, we erected a basketball hoop in our driveway.  As soon as we were out there playing, traffic started to slow down.  Sometimes, unfortunately, to speeds well below 30 mph! <br> <br>We figure it's only a matter of time before there is either an accident or before we get a letter from the city and/or county asking us to take down the basketball hoop. Some of the other residents along the route appreciate the change, but only time will show whether or not they start using their front yards and driveways again.  For now, I'll enjoy the sound of engine breaking as the big trucks (the ones that want to run through the stretch at 55 mph!) slow down each time they see the kids in the driveway or the yard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Folks in our town have been trying to slow down traffic on one of the main routes that passes along a mixed-use corridor : residential housing , commercial , and industrial properties all along a half-mile stretch .
The speed limit is 45 mph .
That would n't be too bad if not for two factors : 1 ) the street lies between a residential neighborhood and the local elementary school , and 2 ) there 's a convenience store along the route with very high vehicle and foot traffic .
Since we moved onto that stretch , we 've witnessed about six accidents each year in front of the convenience store .
The convenience store happens to be at the most-common crossing point for kids going to the school , too .
Since we are living along the stretch and have young children , we 've added our voice to local efforts to reduce the speed to 30 mph .
The city would like the speed reduced , but it is technically a county road , and the county wo n't change it .
For the past few years , we 've told our kids not to play in the front yard ( facing the street ) or in the driveway .
This year , we reversed ourselves .
Just last weekend , we erected a basketball hoop in our driveway .
As soon as we were out there playing , traffic started to slow down .
Sometimes , unfortunately , to speeds well below 30 mph !
We figure it 's only a matter of time before there is either an accident or before we get a letter from the city and/or county asking us to take down the basketball hoop .
Some of the other residents along the route appreciate the change , but only time will show whether or not they start using their front yards and driveways again .
For now , I 'll enjoy the sound of engine breaking as the big trucks ( the ones that want to run through the stretch at 55 mph !
) slow down each time they see the kids in the driveway or the yard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Folks in our town have been trying to slow down traffic on one of the main routes that passes along a mixed-use corridor: residential housing, commercial, and industrial properties all along a half-mile stretch.
The speed limit is 45 mph.
That wouldn't be too bad if not for two factors: 1) the street lies between a residential neighborhood and the local elementary school, and 2) there's a convenience store along the route with very high vehicle and foot traffic.
Since we moved onto that stretch, we've witnessed about six accidents each year in front of the convenience store.
The convenience store happens to be at the most-common crossing point for kids going to the school, too.
Since we are living along the stretch and have young children, we've added our voice to local efforts to reduce the speed to 30 mph.
The city would like the speed reduced, but it is technically a county road, and the county won't change it.
For the past few years, we've told our kids not to play in the front yard (facing the street) or in the driveway.
This year, we reversed ourselves.
Just last weekend, we erected a basketball hoop in our driveway.
As soon as we were out there playing, traffic started to slow down.
Sometimes, unfortunately, to speeds well below 30 mph!
We figure it's only a matter of time before there is either an accident or before we get a letter from the city and/or county asking us to take down the basketball hoop.
Some of the other residents along the route appreciate the change, but only time will show whether or not they start using their front yards and driveways again.
For now, I'll enjoy the sound of engine breaking as the big trucks (the ones that want to run through the stretch at 55 mph!
) slow down each time they see the kids in the driveway or the yard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671562</id>
	<title>Ahh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The author was obviously never 17.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The author was obviously never 17 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The author was obviously never 17.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672400</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1269969000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have those here in the US. They have mixed effect. The one that was put up outside the school near our college became a game to see who could get the biggest number (not during school-zone times). I can't imagine anyone here feeling shame because other drivers saw you going to fast. Some people do slow down but I think it is more because they either didn't realize how fast they were going to begin with, or become nervous that they will get a ticket. The systems aren't tied to tickets, but they are located in places where speeding is a problem, which are also more likely to have random speed traps. The combination of the two does have an impact on speed.</p><p>The later one would drive me crazy. I already have to deal with idiots that speed on roads where the lights are timed to the speed limit requiring them to stop at every single light (and often everyone behind them depending on how slow they are to get going again). And what good does it do to piss off other drivers on the road? I can't socially shun someone I have no contact with. It will only lead to more problems road rage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have those here in the US .
They have mixed effect .
The one that was put up outside the school near our college became a game to see who could get the biggest number ( not during school-zone times ) .
I ca n't imagine anyone here feeling shame because other drivers saw you going to fast .
Some people do slow down but I think it is more because they either did n't realize how fast they were going to begin with , or become nervous that they will get a ticket .
The systems are n't tied to tickets , but they are located in places where speeding is a problem , which are also more likely to have random speed traps .
The combination of the two does have an impact on speed.The later one would drive me crazy .
I already have to deal with idiots that speed on roads where the lights are timed to the speed limit requiring them to stop at every single light ( and often everyone behind them depending on how slow they are to get going again ) .
And what good does it do to piss off other drivers on the road ?
I ca n't socially shun someone I have no contact with .
It will only lead to more problems road rage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have those here in the US.
They have mixed effect.
The one that was put up outside the school near our college became a game to see who could get the biggest number (not during school-zone times).
I can't imagine anyone here feeling shame because other drivers saw you going to fast.
Some people do slow down but I think it is more because they either didn't realize how fast they were going to begin with, or become nervous that they will get a ticket.
The systems aren't tied to tickets, but they are located in places where speeding is a problem, which are also more likely to have random speed traps.
The combination of the two does have an impact on speed.The later one would drive me crazy.
I already have to deal with idiots that speed on roads where the lights are timed to the speed limit requiring them to stop at every single light (and often everyone behind them depending on how slow they are to get going again).
And what good does it do to piss off other drivers on the road?
I can't socially shun someone I have no contact with.
It will only lead to more problems road rage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31678198</id>
	<title>Speed is not the cause....</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1269946260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speed is not the cause of bad driving...bad driving is the cause of bad driving, regardless of the speed.</p><p>As a matter of fact, the main cause of accidents is failure to yield (at low speeds), not driving too fast for the conditions like oft cited (myself being too lazy to cite...huge interest of mine, and my office mate is a civil engineer who points me to the right data all the time).</p><p>Now if they would just invent roads that eliminate bad drivers (those who lack the physical dexterity required to control a vehicle, those who lack the judgment required to share the road with others, and those who lack the intellect to understand the rules of the road)...</p><p>Or even better, use cops to enforce the 99\% of non-speed related laws that are broken far more often than exceeding the artificially low, revenue generating speed limits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speed is not the cause of bad driving...bad driving is the cause of bad driving , regardless of the speed.As a matter of fact , the main cause of accidents is failure to yield ( at low speeds ) , not driving too fast for the conditions like oft cited ( myself being too lazy to cite...huge interest of mine , and my office mate is a civil engineer who points me to the right data all the time ) .Now if they would just invent roads that eliminate bad drivers ( those who lack the physical dexterity required to control a vehicle , those who lack the judgment required to share the road with others , and those who lack the intellect to understand the rules of the road ) ...Or even better , use cops to enforce the 99 \ % of non-speed related laws that are broken far more often than exceeding the artificially low , revenue generating speed limits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speed is not the cause of bad driving...bad driving is the cause of bad driving, regardless of the speed.As a matter of fact, the main cause of accidents is failure to yield (at low speeds), not driving too fast for the conditions like oft cited (myself being too lazy to cite...huge interest of mine, and my office mate is a civil engineer who points me to the right data all the time).Now if they would just invent roads that eliminate bad drivers (those who lack the physical dexterity required to control a vehicle, those who lack the judgment required to share the road with others, and those who lack the intellect to understand the rules of the road)...Or even better, use cops to enforce the 99\% of non-speed related laws that are broken far more often than exceeding the artificially low, revenue generating speed limits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672026</id>
	<title>Built right? Just continue to neglect them.</title>
	<author>DougWebb</author>
	<datestamp>1269967860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By neglecting the roads they become full of potholes, making them more dangerous and forcing drivers to slow down. I guess we could also remove all crosswalks and stoplights in order to encourage pedestrians to cross the roads in random places and at random times. The plentiful potholes will make crossing the road even more difficult; pedestrians will need to zigzag to get across so they'll spend more time in the road. What else could be done? Maybe remove safety netting that prevents rocks from falling into the roadway, and weakening the root systems of roadside trees so they're likely to fall over into the road. Plenty to watch out for there.</p><p>Finally, if we really want to spend some money on this "safety improvement": landmines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By neglecting the roads they become full of potholes , making them more dangerous and forcing drivers to slow down .
I guess we could also remove all crosswalks and stoplights in order to encourage pedestrians to cross the roads in random places and at random times .
The plentiful potholes will make crossing the road even more difficult ; pedestrians will need to zigzag to get across so they 'll spend more time in the road .
What else could be done ?
Maybe remove safety netting that prevents rocks from falling into the roadway , and weakening the root systems of roadside trees so they 're likely to fall over into the road .
Plenty to watch out for there.Finally , if we really want to spend some money on this " safety improvement " : landmines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By neglecting the roads they become full of potholes, making them more dangerous and forcing drivers to slow down.
I guess we could also remove all crosswalks and stoplights in order to encourage pedestrians to cross the roads in random places and at random times.
The plentiful potholes will make crossing the road even more difficult; pedestrians will need to zigzag to get across so they'll spend more time in the road.
What else could be done?
Maybe remove safety netting that prevents rocks from falling into the roadway, and weakening the root systems of roadside trees so they're likely to fall over into the road.
Plenty to watch out for there.Finally, if we really want to spend some money on this "safety improvement": landmines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674222</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269974820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what happens with those signs?  I do.  Took our neighborhood several months to get the city to remove the one from in front of my house and prevent them from putting it up somewhere else so the kids in my neighborhood didn't get killed.</p><p>What happens is this:</p><p>Safe drivers are already safe and the sign is retarded and nothing more than a pointless blinking visual distraction.</p><p>Unsafe drivers see the sign as a challenge and speed up so they can see how fast they can drive by the sign, meanwhile ignoring the children playing in the neighborhood so they can watch the sign to see their speed blink.</p><p>The theoretical psychology behind these systems maybe interesting, however theory isn't reality and these signs are most definitely far more dangerous than not having them as anyone who's actually been around them is aware.</p><blockquote><div><p>In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.</p></div></blockquote><p>Absolutely fucking retarded.  Creating congestion never raises safety levels.  Ever.  What happens is people just go faster to run the light or run it anyway.  You may think its cute, sounds pretty fucking dangerous to me.  Its always a  good idea to make speeders suddenly stop unexpectedly and have to hit the brakes hard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... especially with other people speeding behind them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... brilliant idea<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... really<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... who comes up with this stuff?  How many accidents suddenly start happening right around that red light?  Hmm?  There are less speeding accidents, and twice as many accidents involving the red light being ran or people getting rear ended at it.</p><p>I love how someone invents a theory sitting behind a desk somewhere and without actually looking at what happens in the real world, they ignore all the other contributions to the equation and lose sight of reality resulting in a more dangerous situation that you started with.</p><p>You want safer driving?  Require drivers have more of a clue.  Don't let any random moron drive (Here in America if you can breath you can drive, and there are exceptions for non-breathers) and you won't have as many issues.  Punish those who drive unsafe stiffer, take away their drivers license.  Its not a right, its a privilege.</p><p>What you don't do is introduce more distractions and changes to  throw unexpected things at the driver.  They do this in video games to raise the difficultly level<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... perhaps these scientists and others who think this is a good idea should play a few video games and get a clue.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You know what happens with those signs ?
I do .
Took our neighborhood several months to get the city to remove the one from in front of my house and prevent them from putting it up somewhere else so the kids in my neighborhood did n't get killed.What happens is this : Safe drivers are already safe and the sign is retarded and nothing more than a pointless blinking visual distraction.Unsafe drivers see the sign as a challenge and speed up so they can see how fast they can drive by the sign , meanwhile ignoring the children playing in the neighborhood so they can watch the sign to see their speed blink.The theoretical psychology behind these systems maybe interesting , however theory is n't reality and these signs are most definitely far more dangerous than not having them as anyone who 's actually been around them is aware.In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit , then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds , making you ( and again anyone behind you ) stop.Absolutely fucking retarded .
Creating congestion never raises safety levels .
Ever. What happens is people just go faster to run the light or run it anyway .
You may think its cute , sounds pretty fucking dangerous to me .
Its always a good idea to make speeders suddenly stop unexpectedly and have to hit the brakes hard ... especially with other people speeding behind them ... brilliant idea ... really ... who comes up with this stuff ?
How many accidents suddenly start happening right around that red light ?
Hmm ? There are less speeding accidents , and twice as many accidents involving the red light being ran or people getting rear ended at it.I love how someone invents a theory sitting behind a desk somewhere and without actually looking at what happens in the real world , they ignore all the other contributions to the equation and lose sight of reality resulting in a more dangerous situation that you started with.You want safer driving ?
Require drivers have more of a clue .
Do n't let any random moron drive ( Here in America if you can breath you can drive , and there are exceptions for non-breathers ) and you wo n't have as many issues .
Punish those who drive unsafe stiffer , take away their drivers license .
Its not a right , its a privilege.What you do n't do is introduce more distractions and changes to throw unexpected things at the driver .
They do this in video games to raise the difficultly level ... perhaps these scientists and others who think this is a good idea should play a few video games and get a clue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what happens with those signs?
I do.
Took our neighborhood several months to get the city to remove the one from in front of my house and prevent them from putting it up somewhere else so the kids in my neighborhood didn't get killed.What happens is this:Safe drivers are already safe and the sign is retarded and nothing more than a pointless blinking visual distraction.Unsafe drivers see the sign as a challenge and speed up so they can see how fast they can drive by the sign, meanwhile ignoring the children playing in the neighborhood so they can watch the sign to see their speed blink.The theoretical psychology behind these systems maybe interesting, however theory isn't reality and these signs are most definitely far more dangerous than not having them as anyone who's actually been around them is aware.In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.Absolutely fucking retarded.
Creating congestion never raises safety levels.
Ever.  What happens is people just go faster to run the light or run it anyway.
You may think its cute, sounds pretty fucking dangerous to me.
Its always a  good idea to make speeders suddenly stop unexpectedly and have to hit the brakes hard ... especially with other people speeding behind them ... brilliant idea ... really ... who comes up with this stuff?
How many accidents suddenly start happening right around that red light?
Hmm?  There are less speeding accidents, and twice as many accidents involving the red light being ran or people getting rear ended at it.I love how someone invents a theory sitting behind a desk somewhere and without actually looking at what happens in the real world, they ignore all the other contributions to the equation and lose sight of reality resulting in a more dangerous situation that you started with.You want safer driving?
Require drivers have more of a clue.
Don't let any random moron drive (Here in America if you can breath you can drive, and there are exceptions for non-breathers) and you won't have as many issues.
Punish those who drive unsafe stiffer, take away their drivers license.
Its not a right, its a privilege.What you don't do is introduce more distractions and changes to  throw unexpected things at the driver.
They do this in video games to raise the difficultly level ... perhaps these scientists and others who think this is a good idea should play a few video games and get a clue.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671884</id>
	<title>two for one: A modest proposal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop maintaining the roads so giant potholes and sinkholes form, forcing drivers to slow down or destroy their suspension.</p><p>Not only do we save money on infrastructure that can be better spent on bank bailouts and the Pentagon, but we increase safety!</p><p>Many states are already way ahead on this plan, time for our Federal government to get in gear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop maintaining the roads so giant potholes and sinkholes form , forcing drivers to slow down or destroy their suspension.Not only do we save money on infrastructure that can be better spent on bank bailouts and the Pentagon , but we increase safety ! Many states are already way ahead on this plan , time for our Federal government to get in gear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop maintaining the roads so giant potholes and sinkholes form, forcing drivers to slow down or destroy their suspension.Not only do we save money on infrastructure that can be better spent on bank bailouts and the Pentagon, but we increase safety!Many states are already way ahead on this plan, time for our Federal government to get in gear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31681664</id>
	<title>Re:How about making it safer for higher speeds?</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1269962340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because then people would just live even further away from where they need to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because then people would just live even further away from where they need to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because then people would just live even further away from where they need to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671322</id>
	<title>From the No Duh Dept.</title>
	<author>Lord Grey</author>
	<datestamp>1269966060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good grief.  From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>The surveys demonstrated that land use type, roadway type, and building setbacks all played significant roles in determining vehicle speeds. Most importantly, though, having cars parked along the side of streets accounted by itself for a reduction in travel speeds<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>And:</p><blockquote><div><p>So the conclusion is this: People can be induced to reduce their driving speeds when cars are parked along the roadways, when buildings are close to the street, and when those buildings include commercial rather than residential activity.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Who would have thought that by reducing a driver's visibility, the driver would go slower to give themselves time to react to surprises?  You?  You in the back?  Are you some kind of smartass?  The Connecticut Department of Transportation studied this for <a href="http://rip.trb.org/browse/dproject.asp?n=9659" title="trb.org">four years</a> [trb.org].  There's no way you could have arrived at the same conclusion so quickly!</p><p>This study was useful in determining how much people slowed down -- quantifying it at about 10\% -- but sweeping on to claims like, "reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment" is silly.  Streets packed with parked cars, pedestrians, nearby buildings, et. al. are generally more dangerous precisely because clear lines-of-sight are cut off.  Sane drivers know this, reduce their speed, and then -- making wild hand-waving guesses, here -- wind up with about the same overall level of "dangerousness" as when driving on uncluttered roadways.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Good grief .
From TFA : The surveys demonstrated that land use type , roadway type , and building setbacks all played significant roles in determining vehicle speeds .
Most importantly , though , having cars parked along the side of streets accounted by itself for a reduction in travel speeds .. . And : So the conclusion is this : People can be induced to reduce their driving speeds when cars are parked along the roadways , when buildings are close to the street , and when those buildings include commercial rather than residential activity .
Who would have thought that by reducing a driver 's visibility , the driver would go slower to give themselves time to react to surprises ?
You ? You in the back ?
Are you some kind of smartass ?
The Connecticut Department of Transportation studied this for four years [ trb.org ] .
There 's no way you could have arrived at the same conclusion so quickly ! This study was useful in determining how much people slowed down -- quantifying it at about 10 \ % -- but sweeping on to claims like , " reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment " is silly .
Streets packed with parked cars , pedestrians , nearby buildings , et .
al. are generally more dangerous precisely because clear lines-of-sight are cut off .
Sane drivers know this , reduce their speed , and then -- making wild hand-waving guesses , here -- wind up with about the same overall level of " dangerousness " as when driving on uncluttered roadways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good grief.
From TFA:The surveys demonstrated that land use type, roadway type, and building setbacks all played significant roles in determining vehicle speeds.
Most importantly, though, having cars parked along the side of streets accounted by itself for a reduction in travel speeds ...
And:So the conclusion is this: People can be induced to reduce their driving speeds when cars are parked along the roadways, when buildings are close to the street, and when those buildings include commercial rather than residential activity.
Who would have thought that by reducing a driver's visibility, the driver would go slower to give themselves time to react to surprises?
You?  You in the back?
Are you some kind of smartass?
The Connecticut Department of Transportation studied this for four years [trb.org].
There's no way you could have arrived at the same conclusion so quickly!This study was useful in determining how much people slowed down -- quantifying it at about 10\% -- but sweeping on to claims like, "reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment" is silly.
Streets packed with parked cars, pedestrians, nearby buildings, et.
al. are generally more dangerous precisely because clear lines-of-sight are cut off.
Sane drivers know this, reduce their speed, and then -- making wild hand-waving guesses, here -- wind up with about the same overall level of "dangerousness" as when driving on uncluttered roadways.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675292</id>
	<title>Why so damn fast!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269979320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that most of the posters here just want to go fast!  I wonder why everyone is always in a hurry?  Does everyone have  along commute?  Is everyone an asshole?<br>(Yea, I'm slow, I'm that guy in front of you going the speed limit!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that most of the posters here just want to go fast !
I wonder why everyone is always in a hurry ?
Does everyone have along commute ?
Is everyone an asshole ?
( Yea , I 'm slow , I 'm that guy in front of you going the speed limit !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that most of the posters here just want to go fast!
I wonder why everyone is always in a hurry?
Does everyone have  along commute?
Is everyone an asshole?
(Yea, I'm slow, I'm that guy in front of you going the speed limit!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31679448</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269951900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have this in Galicia and Asturias provinces in Spain (it may also be in Cantabria and Basque, but I can't remember), usually at the entrace to a village or town to get you down to the local speed limit from the rural speed limit.</p><p>Its a fantastic system. Go a bit too fast the lights flash yellow, go a bit faster, they turn red. You get there faster by not speeding.</p><p>Every time I experience this system I wonder why we don't have these systems in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have this in Galicia and Asturias provinces in Spain ( it may also be in Cantabria and Basque , but I ca n't remember ) , usually at the entrace to a village or town to get you down to the local speed limit from the rural speed limit.Its a fantastic system .
Go a bit too fast the lights flash yellow , go a bit faster , they turn red .
You get there faster by not speeding.Every time I experience this system I wonder why we do n't have these systems in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have this in Galicia and Asturias provinces in Spain (it may also be in Cantabria and Basque, but I can't remember), usually at the entrace to a village or town to get you down to the local speed limit from the rural speed limit.Its a fantastic system.
Go a bit too fast the lights flash yellow, go a bit faster, they turn red.
You get there faster by not speeding.Every time I experience this system I wonder why we don't have these systems in the UK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31677210</id>
	<title>Warning signs</title>
	<author>Casca</author>
	<datestamp>1269942300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always wondered what the effectiveness of animal crossing warning signs is. Does it have any impact at all on the way people drive? Do people become demonstrably more alert?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always wondered what the effectiveness of animal crossing warning signs is .
Does it have any impact at all on the way people drive ?
Do people become demonstrably more alert ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always wondered what the effectiveness of animal crossing warning signs is.
Does it have any impact at all on the way people drive?
Do people become demonstrably more alert?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675236</id>
	<title>New research?!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269979020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has been taught in urban planning courses for decades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been taught in urban planning courses for decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been taught in urban planning courses for decades.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676712</id>
	<title>I think they're already doing that...</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1269940860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&gt; All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.
</p><p>
I think the City of Portland is already doing that.  Recently had over $3,000 damage to my Harley from a pothole.  Usually I can avoid them but twilight and traffic conspired to miss it.  I didn't even lay the bike down.  Impact destroyed both wheels and blew out forks and shocks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; All of that is gon na work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates .
I think the City of Portland is already doing that .
Recently had over $ 3,000 damage to my Harley from a pothole .
Usually I can avoid them but twilight and traffic conspired to miss it .
I did n't even lay the bike down .
Impact destroyed both wheels and blew out forks and shocks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
&gt; All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.
I think the City of Portland is already doing that.
Recently had over $3,000 damage to my Harley from a pothole.
Usually I can avoid them but twilight and traffic conspired to miss it.
I didn't even lay the bike down.
Impact destroyed both wheels and blew out forks and shocks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672668</id>
	<title>That's the dumb solution.</title>
	<author>Nekomusume</author>
	<datestamp>1269969840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The smart one is to build cars to control how fast you drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The smart one is to build cars to control how fast you drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The smart one is to build cars to control how fast you drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671640</id>
	<title>this FP for GnAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>our abil$ity to</htmltext>
<tokenext>our abil $ ity to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>our abil$ity to</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31684408</id>
	<title>Up the speed limit!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270027920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My city recently did something interesting, on several 4-lane streets, they increased the speed limits from 45 mph to 55 mph.</p><p>needless to say, people now drive 45 instead of 55. the streets go through areas where driving fast isnt smart. People naturally slow down to the old speeds.</p><p>I also saw this effect up in a high desert city, 60 mph for the main road through town. most people drive below 50 mph.</p><p>it's conditioned response.</p><p>alternatively, setting the limit to 45 mph makes people rebel and go faster.</p><p>It's almost like a rebellious response.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My city recently did something interesting , on several 4-lane streets , they increased the speed limits from 45 mph to 55 mph.needless to say , people now drive 45 instead of 55. the streets go through areas where driving fast isnt smart .
People naturally slow down to the old speeds.I also saw this effect up in a high desert city , 60 mph for the main road through town .
most people drive below 50 mph.it 's conditioned response.alternatively , setting the limit to 45 mph makes people rebel and go faster.It 's almost like a rebellious response .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My city recently did something interesting, on several 4-lane streets, they increased the speed limits from 45 mph to 55 mph.needless to say, people now drive 45 instead of 55. the streets go through areas where driving fast isnt smart.
People naturally slow down to the old speeds.I also saw this effect up in a high desert city, 60 mph for the main road through town.
most people drive below 50 mph.it's conditioned response.alternatively, setting the limit to 45 mph makes people rebel and go faster.It's almost like a rebellious response.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673452</id>
	<title>Isn't that strange...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269972300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities"<br> <br>Weird, because increasing the speed limit from 55 to 65 reduced the rates of passenger fatalities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" encourage automobilists to drive less quickly , reducing the rates of passenger fatalities " Weird , because increasing the speed limit from 55 to 65 reduced the rates of passenger fatalities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities" Weird, because increasing the speed limit from 55 to 65 reduced the rates of passenger fatalities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31686376</id>
	<title>Automobilists?</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1270044840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i thought motorist was silly enough.</p><p>The word is DRIVER.  It's six letters.  This nonsense term is more than twice the letters needed to convey the same information.  It's worse than writing "okay" when it's supposed to be OK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i thought motorist was silly enough.The word is DRIVER .
It 's six letters .
This nonsense term is more than twice the letters needed to convey the same information .
It 's worse than writing " okay " when it 's supposed to be OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i thought motorist was silly enough.The word is DRIVER.
It's six letters.
This nonsense term is more than twice the letters needed to convey the same information.
It's worse than writing "okay" when it's supposed to be OK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674526</id>
	<title>Re:Might have the opposite effect</title>
	<author>Apuleius</author>
	<datestamp>1269975960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It is my experience that congested roadways are considerably more dangerous than ones with free flowing traffic,"</p><p>More dangerous for you, maybe (probably not), but less dangerous to the people you share the road with. The slower you go, the less danger you pose to other drivers, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, homes, et cetera.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It is my experience that congested roadways are considerably more dangerous than ones with free flowing traffic , " More dangerous for you , maybe ( probably not ) , but less dangerous to the people you share the road with .
The slower you go , the less danger you pose to other drivers , pedestrians , motorcyclists , bicyclists , homes , et cetera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It is my experience that congested roadways are considerably more dangerous than ones with free flowing traffic,"More dangerous for you, maybe (probably not), but less dangerous to the people you share the road with.
The slower you go, the less danger you pose to other drivers, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, homes, et cetera.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671820</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675996</id>
	<title>Re:Other strategies...</title>
	<author>degradas</author>
	<datestamp>1269981840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possibilities for a DDOS attack on the roads are simply amazing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possibilities for a DDOS attack on the roads are simply amazing : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possibilities for a DDOS attack on the roads are simply amazing :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675244</id>
	<title>3 words:</title>
	<author>flattop100</author>
	<datestamp>1269979080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Roundabouts, roundabouts, roundabouts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Roundabouts , roundabouts , roundabouts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roundabouts, roundabouts, roundabouts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671660</id>
	<title>Build roads that make it more difficult to drive?</title>
	<author>m6ack</author>
	<datestamp>1269966900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, now they suggest that we build roads intentionally that will make us waste more time on the road, reduce visibility and cause more accidents?  That is total brain damage!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , now they suggest that we build roads intentionally that will make us waste more time on the road , reduce visibility and cause more accidents ?
That is total brain damage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, now they suggest that we build roads intentionally that will make us waste more time on the road, reduce visibility and cause more accidents?
That is total brain damage!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674172</id>
	<title>What a stupid idea.</title>
	<author>dumbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1269974700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making more blind spots only makes sense if you're looking at velocity as the sole independent variable. Besides, you could accomplish a similar effect for a much lower cost by lowering the overhead street lights to 4 feet above the ground so that the blinding glare of the lights forces drivers to slow down every 100 feet.</p><p>At the local road level, this "worse roads == better safety" notion could conceivably work by diverting traffic, but this would probably end up having a long-term destructive effect on the commons. If I don't want drivers using my street as a connector, I fill it with hazards until drivers learn to take alternate routes. People living on the alternate routes then fill their streets with hazards and the drivers are back on my street. I then have to out-hazard the other routes. Eventually the whole neighborhood looks like a junkyard, filled with hazards, with everyone's car banged up because they can't even get their car out of their driveway without running into something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making more blind spots only makes sense if you 're looking at velocity as the sole independent variable .
Besides , you could accomplish a similar effect for a much lower cost by lowering the overhead street lights to 4 feet above the ground so that the blinding glare of the lights forces drivers to slow down every 100 feet.At the local road level , this " worse roads = = better safety " notion could conceivably work by diverting traffic , but this would probably end up having a long-term destructive effect on the commons .
If I do n't want drivers using my street as a connector , I fill it with hazards until drivers learn to take alternate routes .
People living on the alternate routes then fill their streets with hazards and the drivers are back on my street .
I then have to out-hazard the other routes .
Eventually the whole neighborhood looks like a junkyard , filled with hazards , with everyone 's car banged up because they ca n't even get their car out of their driveway without running into something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making more blind spots only makes sense if you're looking at velocity as the sole independent variable.
Besides, you could accomplish a similar effect for a much lower cost by lowering the overhead street lights to 4 feet above the ground so that the blinding glare of the lights forces drivers to slow down every 100 feet.At the local road level, this "worse roads == better safety" notion could conceivably work by diverting traffic, but this would probably end up having a long-term destructive effect on the commons.
If I don't want drivers using my street as a connector, I fill it with hazards until drivers learn to take alternate routes.
People living on the alternate routes then fill their streets with hazards and the drivers are back on my street.
I then have to out-hazard the other routes.
Eventually the whole neighborhood looks like a junkyard, filled with hazards, with everyone's car banged up because they can't even get their car out of their driveway without running into something.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672676</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>xdroop</author>
	<datestamp>1269969900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously?</p><blockquote><div><p>Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because the monkey behind the wheel hasn't improved any, is now distracted by his cell phone, GPS, and on-board DVD players, and statistically is older than the monkey behind the wheel was 20-30 years ago.</p><p>Basically, the monkey is the critical part in the system, and it just isn't getting any better.</p><p>(Well except for you.  You are a MAGNIFICENT driver, and we should all just stay the hell out of your way when you drive.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ? Cars today have more horsepower , more traction , better safety , and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet , our speed limits have decreased.. Why ? Because the monkey behind the wheel has n't improved any , is now distracted by his cell phone , GPS , and on-board DVD players , and statistically is older than the monkey behind the wheel was 20-30 years ago.Basically , the monkey is the critical part in the system , and it just is n't getting any better .
( Well except for you .
You are a MAGNIFICENT driver , and we should all just stay the hell out of your way when you drive .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?Because the monkey behind the wheel hasn't improved any, is now distracted by his cell phone, GPS, and on-board DVD players, and statistically is older than the monkey behind the wheel was 20-30 years ago.Basically, the monkey is the critical part in the system, and it just isn't getting any better.
(Well except for you.
You are a MAGNIFICENT driver, and we should all just stay the hell out of your way when you drive.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671920</id>
	<title>"Automobilists" ????? WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Automobilists"  What the....?????</p><p>How far up your own rear do you have to be to use make up the word "automobilists" instead of just saying "drivers".</p><p>Gah. I'm not even your typical<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. grammar-nazi, but this one really annoyed me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Automobilists " What the.... ? ? ? ?
? How far up your own rear do you have to be to use make up the word " automobilists " instead of just saying " drivers " .Gah .
I 'm not even your typical / .
grammar-nazi , but this one really annoyed me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Automobilists"  What the....????
?How far up your own rear do you have to be to use make up the word "automobilists" instead of just saying "drivers".Gah.
I'm not even your typical /.
grammar-nazi, but this one really annoyed me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675666</id>
	<title>Isn't the holy grail to drive more quickly?</title>
	<author>DM9290</author>
	<datestamp>1269980700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the purpose of using a vehicle was to go MORE quickly.</p><p>If there was a way to get people from point A to point B faster, while not increasing the danger, this should be the holy grail.  If we simply wanted to make sure drivers go less quickly the solution is obvious. Stop building roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the purpose of using a vehicle was to go MORE quickly.If there was a way to get people from point A to point B faster , while not increasing the danger , this should be the holy grail .
If we simply wanted to make sure drivers go less quickly the solution is obvious .
Stop building roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the purpose of using a vehicle was to go MORE quickly.If there was a way to get people from point A to point B faster, while not increasing the danger, this should be the holy grail.
If we simply wanted to make sure drivers go less quickly the solution is obvious.
Stop building roads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672948</id>
	<title>Re:Fuck this article</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1269970740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving. The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That's because it's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.</p></div><p>You can slow things down without causing congestion.</p><p>Here in DC, we have lots of roads that are wider than they need to be (or at least, are wider than they need to be during non-peak hours).  As a result, people <i>fly</i> down these roads during non-peak hours, creating incredibly dangerous conditions for pedestrians and cyclists -- we have the 3rd highest percentage of cyclist commuters in the US, and will likely become #1 within the next decade.</p><p>By narrowing lanes, introducing landscaping, adding street parking, etc. the <i>maximum</i> speed of the road is greatly reduced, while having little effect on the rush-hour traffic that rarely exceeds 25mph anyway.  I personally notice that landscaping can have a huge effect -- for whatever reason, I tend to drive a lot faster on roads without trees.</p><p>That said, I'm certainly not going to gush about the experience of driving through DC -- it's usually a terrifying experience (even compared to NYC).  The roads are a perplexing labyrinth of poorly-marked one-way streets and traffic lights hidden behind trees.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving .
The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That 's because it 's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.You can slow things down without causing congestion.Here in DC , we have lots of roads that are wider than they need to be ( or at least , are wider than they need to be during non-peak hours ) .
As a result , people fly down these roads during non-peak hours , creating incredibly dangerous conditions for pedestrians and cyclists -- we have the 3rd highest percentage of cyclist commuters in the US , and will likely become # 1 within the next decade.By narrowing lanes , introducing landscaping , adding street parking , etc .
the maximum speed of the road is greatly reduced , while having little effect on the rush-hour traffic that rarely exceeds 25mph anyway .
I personally notice that landscaping can have a huge effect -- for whatever reason , I tend to drive a lot faster on roads without trees.That said , I 'm certainly not going to gush about the experience of driving through DC -- it 's usually a terrifying experience ( even compared to NYC ) .
The roads are a perplexing labyrinth of poorly-marked one-way streets and traffic lights hidden behind trees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving.
The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That's because it's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.You can slow things down without causing congestion.Here in DC, we have lots of roads that are wider than they need to be (or at least, are wider than they need to be during non-peak hours).
As a result, people fly down these roads during non-peak hours, creating incredibly dangerous conditions for pedestrians and cyclists -- we have the 3rd highest percentage of cyclist commuters in the US, and will likely become #1 within the next decade.By narrowing lanes, introducing landscaping, adding street parking, etc.
the maximum speed of the road is greatly reduced, while having little effect on the rush-hour traffic that rarely exceeds 25mph anyway.
I personally notice that landscaping can have a huge effect -- for whatever reason, I tend to drive a lot faster on roads without trees.That said, I'm certainly not going to gush about the experience of driving through DC -- it's usually a terrifying experience (even compared to NYC).
The roads are a perplexing labyrinth of poorly-marked one-way streets and traffic lights hidden behind trees.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672300</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1269968640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently *less* safe.</p></div><p>I agree. Even if we assume that people will drive slower so that they're just as safe drivers as they were before, it still remains that you are slowing down the drivers and wasting their time. The only time I can see it making sense is when the fast drivers are safe, but they create unsafe conditions for someone else (like having a school on the edge of a road). The real solution there is to separate the drivers from the problem. For example, if you plan to build a school right on the edge of a road, then set it back so that drivers don't have to slow down.<br> <br>

I recall an example of a school near where I lived that had a huge play field. But they set the buildings so close to the road, that there was only a small drop off lane, a sidewalk, and a chainlink fence separating the school from the road. That's what I call extremely poor design. They ended up putting in huge speedbumps which cause drivers to "unconciously" (sarcasm intended here) slow down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently * less * safe.I agree .
Even if we assume that people will drive slower so that they 're just as safe drivers as they were before , it still remains that you are slowing down the drivers and wasting their time .
The only time I can see it making sense is when the fast drivers are safe , but they create unsafe conditions for someone else ( like having a school on the edge of a road ) .
The real solution there is to separate the drivers from the problem .
For example , if you plan to build a school right on the edge of a road , then set it back so that drivers do n't have to slow down .
I recall an example of a school near where I lived that had a huge play field .
But they set the buildings so close to the road , that there was only a small drop off lane , a sidewalk , and a chainlink fence separating the school from the road .
That 's what I call extremely poor design .
They ended up putting in huge speedbumps which cause drivers to " unconciously " ( sarcasm intended here ) slow down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently *less* safe.I agree.
Even if we assume that people will drive slower so that they're just as safe drivers as they were before, it still remains that you are slowing down the drivers and wasting their time.
The only time I can see it making sense is when the fast drivers are safe, but they create unsafe conditions for someone else (like having a school on the edge of a road).
The real solution there is to separate the drivers from the problem.
For example, if you plan to build a school right on the edge of a road, then set it back so that drivers don't have to slow down.
I recall an example of a school near where I lived that had a huge play field.
But they set the buildings so close to the road, that there was only a small drop off lane, a sidewalk, and a chainlink fence separating the school from the road.
That's what I call extremely poor design.
They ended up putting in huge speedbumps which cause drivers to "unconciously" (sarcasm intended here) slow down.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671654</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671546</id>
	<title>Highways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269966600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't the Holy grail of highways, a highway that encourages people to drive as fast as possible and lets them do so safely? The purpose of a highway is to move people from A to B, safely and preferably as quickly as possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the Holy grail of highways , a highway that encourages people to drive as fast as possible and lets them do so safely ?
The purpose of a highway is to move people from A to B , safely and preferably as quickly as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the Holy grail of highways, a highway that encourages people to drive as fast as possible and lets them do so safely?
The purpose of a highway is to move people from A to B, safely and preferably as quickly as possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31704444</id>
	<title>Tried in Luxemburg. Result: EPIC FAIL!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1270142160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They tried that in Luxemburg. They added a lot of rotaries, and made the road in all curving fall off to the <em>outside</em>.<br>Of course this made driving much more dangerous, since people did not want to slow down, but drive normal. Which caused massive centrifugal forces, so that you had the feeling of the car nearly tipping over, and a hard time keeping it on the track.<br>I think the number of accidents rose dramatically because of this.</p><p>Why not just build roads that you can drive safer?? You know, wider, with banked curvature, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They tried that in Luxemburg .
They added a lot of rotaries , and made the road in all curving fall off to the outside.Of course this made driving much more dangerous , since people did not want to slow down , but drive normal .
Which caused massive centrifugal forces , so that you had the feeling of the car nearly tipping over , and a hard time keeping it on the track.I think the number of accidents rose dramatically because of this.Why not just build roads that you can drive safer ? ?
You know , wider , with banked curvature , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tried that in Luxemburg.
They added a lot of rotaries, and made the road in all curving fall off to the outside.Of course this made driving much more dangerous, since people did not want to slow down, but drive normal.
Which caused massive centrifugal forces, so that you had the feeling of the car nearly tipping over, and a hard time keeping it on the track.I think the number of accidents rose dramatically because of this.Why not just build roads that you can drive safer??
You know, wider, with banked curvature, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674532</id>
	<title>Why not limit the vehicle instead of the road?</title>
	<author>Graham J - XVI</author>
	<datestamp>1269975960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love driving fast as much as the next guy but if the government really wants us to drive slower why doesn't it simply mandate speed limiting devices? Why is it legal to build cars that can drive 3x the maximum speed limit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love driving fast as much as the next guy but if the government really wants us to drive slower why does n't it simply mandate speed limiting devices ?
Why is it legal to build cars that can drive 3x the maximum speed limit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love driving fast as much as the next guy but if the government really wants us to drive slower why doesn't it simply mandate speed limiting devices?
Why is it legal to build cars that can drive 3x the maximum speed limit?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676902</id>
	<title>Survivor</title>
	<author>Impy the Impiuos Imp</author>
	<datestamp>1269941460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p>&gt; to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates<br>&gt; of passenger fatalities</p><p>Most accidents derive from differences in speed, not the speed themselves.</p><p>&gt; A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor<br>&gt; reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street<br>&gt; environment.</p><p>Minor reductions = minor reductions in the best case.  But to get even that far:</p><p>&gt; Through the use of roadside parking, tighter building setbacks, and<br>&gt; more commercial land uses, road designers can make drivers subconsciously<br>&gt; drive more slowly.</p><p>So cluttering up the road with parking on both sides and close-in buildings will induce a minor slowdown.</p><p>Meanwhile, how many will be killed because of collisions with the parked cars, people who suddenly step out, and the like?</p><p>And, most importantly, <b>don't take my word for it</b>!  Let's see tests where the net result are fewer deaths than more deaths.  Precious few laws take this into account.  Vis nutritional signs in fast food joints leading to an average 100 calorie <b>increase</b> per order, in spite of people saying they "took the info into consideration when ordering."</p><p>Common sense =/= science, and politics is, at best, only have common sense and half outrage-of-the-moment to begin with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : &gt; to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly , reducing the rates &gt; of passenger fatalitiesMost accidents derive from differences in speed , not the speed themselves. &gt; A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor &gt; reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street &gt; environment.Minor reductions = minor reductions in the best case .
But to get even that far : &gt; Through the use of roadside parking , tighter building setbacks , and &gt; more commercial land uses , road designers can make drivers subconsciously &gt; drive more slowly.So cluttering up the road with parking on both sides and close-in buildings will induce a minor slowdown.Meanwhile , how many will be killed because of collisions with the parked cars , people who suddenly step out , and the like ? And , most importantly , do n't take my word for it !
Let 's see tests where the net result are fewer deaths than more deaths .
Precious few laws take this into account .
Vis nutritional signs in fast food joints leading to an average 100 calorie increase per order , in spite of people saying they " took the info into consideration when ordering .
" Common sense = / = science , and politics is , at best , only have common sense and half outrage-of-the-moment to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:&gt; to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates&gt; of passenger fatalitiesMost accidents derive from differences in speed, not the speed themselves.&gt; A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor&gt; reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street&gt; environment.Minor reductions = minor reductions in the best case.
But to get even that far:&gt; Through the use of roadside parking, tighter building setbacks, and&gt; more commercial land uses, road designers can make drivers subconsciously&gt; drive more slowly.So cluttering up the road with parking on both sides and close-in buildings will induce a minor slowdown.Meanwhile, how many will be killed because of collisions with the parked cars, people who suddenly step out, and the like?And, most importantly, don't take my word for it!
Let's see tests where the net result are fewer deaths than more deaths.
Precious few laws take this into account.
Vis nutritional signs in fast food joints leading to an average 100 calorie increase per order, in spite of people saying they "took the info into consideration when ordering.
"Common sense =/= science, and politics is, at best, only have common sense and half outrage-of-the-moment to begin with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674284</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't work.</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1269975060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should know then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that college professors are rather disconnected from reality.  You should also know (as someone who was there) that students don't have any experience and tend to ignore massive amounts of the picture.</p><p>Sadly what then happens is a professor glances over a paper written by one of his/her students and publishes it under their own name, yet neither party involved is actually in any way qualified to do the study.</p><p>For every useful study that comes out of a university, there are 100 retarded and flat out wrong that come out.</p><p>You NEVER put any faith in some random study done at a educational facility.  You don't change the way you run your company because of something the guy you just hired who has no experience says<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... why the hell do people think students are authoritative source of valid and accurate info?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should know then ... that college professors are rather disconnected from reality .
You should also know ( as someone who was there ) that students do n't have any experience and tend to ignore massive amounts of the picture.Sadly what then happens is a professor glances over a paper written by one of his/her students and publishes it under their own name , yet neither party involved is actually in any way qualified to do the study.For every useful study that comes out of a university , there are 100 retarded and flat out wrong that come out.You NEVER put any faith in some random study done at a educational facility .
You do n't change the way you run your company because of something the guy you just hired who has no experience says ... why the hell do people think students are authoritative source of valid and accurate info ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should know then ... that college professors are rather disconnected from reality.
You should also know (as someone who was there) that students don't have any experience and tend to ignore massive amounts of the picture.Sadly what then happens is a professor glances over a paper written by one of his/her students and publishes it under their own name, yet neither party involved is actually in any way qualified to do the study.For every useful study that comes out of a university, there are 100 retarded and flat out wrong that come out.You NEVER put any faith in some random study done at a educational facility.
You don't change the way you run your company because of something the guy you just hired who has no experience says ... why the hell do people think students are authoritative source of valid and accurate info?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671730</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672626</id>
	<title>scotgl</title>
	<author>sgresham</author>
	<datestamp>1269969720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>from J.G. Ballard's short story "Subliminal Man"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "All around him cars bulleted along, streaming toward the suburbs. Relaxed by the smooth motion of the car, Franklin edged outward into the next speed lane. As he accelerated from 40 to 50 mph a strident, ear-jarring noise drummed out from his tires, shaking the chassis of the car. Ostensibly as an aid to lane discipline, the surface of the road was covered with a mesh of smaller rubber studs, spaced progressively farther apart in each of the lanes so that the tire hum resonated exactly on 40, 50, 60 and 70 mph. Driving at an intermediate speed for more than a few seconds became physiologically painful, and soon resulted in damage to the car and tires."</htmltext>
<tokenext>from J.G .
Ballard 's short story " Subliminal Man " ... " All around him cars bulleted along , streaming toward the suburbs .
Relaxed by the smooth motion of the car , Franklin edged outward into the next speed lane .
As he accelerated from 40 to 50 mph a strident , ear-jarring noise drummed out from his tires , shaking the chassis of the car .
Ostensibly as an aid to lane discipline , the surface of the road was covered with a mesh of smaller rubber studs , spaced progressively farther apart in each of the lanes so that the tire hum resonated exactly on 40 , 50 , 60 and 70 mph .
Driving at an intermediate speed for more than a few seconds became physiologically painful , and soon resulted in damage to the car and tires .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from J.G.
Ballard's short story "Subliminal Man" ... "All around him cars bulleted along, streaming toward the suburbs.
Relaxed by the smooth motion of the car, Franklin edged outward into the next speed lane.
As he accelerated from 40 to 50 mph a strident, ear-jarring noise drummed out from his tires, shaking the chassis of the car.
Ostensibly as an aid to lane discipline, the surface of the road was covered with a mesh of smaller rubber studs, spaced progressively farther apart in each of the lanes so that the tire hum resonated exactly on 40, 50, 60 and 70 mph.
Driving at an intermediate speed for more than a few seconds became physiologically painful, and soon resulted in damage to the car and tires.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31678686</id>
	<title>automobilists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>automobilists? Surely you mean drivers? - you know, a real word.</p><p>How do I tag this for clumsy use of language?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>automobilists ?
Surely you mean drivers ?
- you know , a real word.How do I tag this for clumsy use of language ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>automobilists?
Surely you mean drivers?
- you know, a real word.How do I tag this for clumsy use of language?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672796</id>
	<title>Blind devotion to the slogan "Speed Kills"</title>
	<author>HannethCom</author>
	<datestamp>1269970200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In our local newspaper I keep reading about someone was speeding and swerved off the road killing a child. Person was speeding and ran over an old man crossing at a cross walk. Person was speeding and ran into a pole. Person was speeding and drove into a living room. Person was speeding and killed the driver and passenger of another car.<br>
<br>
Then the article goes on to talk about the speeding plague for paragraphs. Most of these involve the person not going straight on a straight road and then one of the last lines usually says that the person was drunk out of his gourd.<br>
<br>
What was more the problem, that he was speeding, or that he was piss drunk? Well obviously it was that he was speeding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In our local newspaper I keep reading about someone was speeding and swerved off the road killing a child .
Person was speeding and ran over an old man crossing at a cross walk .
Person was speeding and ran into a pole .
Person was speeding and drove into a living room .
Person was speeding and killed the driver and passenger of another car .
Then the article goes on to talk about the speeding plague for paragraphs .
Most of these involve the person not going straight on a straight road and then one of the last lines usually says that the person was drunk out of his gourd .
What was more the problem , that he was speeding , or that he was piss drunk ?
Well obviously it was that he was speeding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In our local newspaper I keep reading about someone was speeding and swerved off the road killing a child.
Person was speeding and ran over an old man crossing at a cross walk.
Person was speeding and ran into a pole.
Person was speeding and drove into a living room.
Person was speeding and killed the driver and passenger of another car.
Then the article goes on to talk about the speeding plague for paragraphs.
Most of these involve the person not going straight on a straight road and then one of the last lines usually says that the person was drunk out of his gourd.
What was more the problem, that he was speeding, or that he was piss drunk?
Well obviously it was that he was speeding.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31677718</id>
	<title>Re:We found a subtle way... (proof of the premise)</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1269944160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After you next meet with your therapist and once again find your "happy place", take a Valium and re-read my post.  My kids are not playing in the street.  They are playing in our front lawn and in our driveway.  Sometimes, I'm out there shooting hoops with them.  When the kids were limited to the back yard, the vehicles flew by.  Now, with the kids visible in front, drivers are registering (consciously or subconsciously), "crap! I'd better slow down--there are kids playing nearby."</htmltext>
<tokenext>After you next meet with your therapist and once again find your " happy place " , take a Valium and re-read my post .
My kids are not playing in the street .
They are playing in our front lawn and in our driveway .
Sometimes , I 'm out there shooting hoops with them .
When the kids were limited to the back yard , the vehicles flew by .
Now , with the kids visible in front , drivers are registering ( consciously or subconsciously ) , " crap !
I 'd better slow down--there are kids playing nearby .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After you next meet with your therapist and once again find your "happy place", take a Valium and re-read my post.
My kids are not playing in the street.
They are playing in our front lawn and in our driveway.
Sometimes, I'm out there shooting hoops with them.
When the kids were limited to the back yard, the vehicles flew by.
Now, with the kids visible in front, drivers are registering (consciously or subconsciously), "crap!
I'd better slow down--there are kids playing nearby.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31674540</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31672598</id>
	<title>Re:Drive slower ...</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1269969660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That depends on the car.  Mine has an optimal fuel-effiency speed of 55 mph.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That depends on the car .
Mine has an optimal fuel-effiency speed of 55 mph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That depends on the car.
Mine has an optimal fuel-effiency speed of 55 mph.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673510</id>
	<title>Re:Two basic ways to do it</title>
	<author>matsoo</author>
	<datestamp>1269972480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually 1) works just fine. Near where I live there is a tunnel with bare rock walls where they used to have a line of plastic orange markers attached to the wall that looked just like oversized spears. Everyone who entered the tunnel reduced their speed to about half...</p><p>When the markers were later removed the average speed through the tunnel increased significantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually 1 ) works just fine .
Near where I live there is a tunnel with bare rock walls where they used to have a line of plastic orange markers attached to the wall that looked just like oversized spears .
Everyone who entered the tunnel reduced their speed to about half...When the markers were later removed the average speed through the tunnel increased significantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually 1) works just fine.
Near where I live there is a tunnel with bare rock walls where they used to have a line of plastic orange markers attached to the wall that looked just like oversized spears.
Everyone who entered the tunnel reduced their speed to about half...When the markers were later removed the average speed through the tunnel increased significantly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31676088</id>
	<title>Leave a child's corpse in the road</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269982140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make sure it's well lit. Most people will then slow down substantially to avoid running over it. Cheap and quick to implement. No need to make any changes to the current road system.</p><p>Just an out of the box idea. I believe in blue sky thinking and all that stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure it 's well lit .
Most people will then slow down substantially to avoid running over it .
Cheap and quick to implement .
No need to make any changes to the current road system.Just an out of the box idea .
I believe in blue sky thinking and all that stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure it's well lit.
Most people will then slow down substantially to avoid running over it.
Cheap and quick to implement.
No need to make any changes to the current road system.Just an out of the box idea.
I believe in blue sky thinking and all that stuff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31675968</id>
	<title>Hard to read this while driving</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269981720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>especially on my palm pre but i agree with the premise that roads are dangerous, that's why i'm not looking now...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>especially on my palm pre but i agree with the premise that roads are dangerous , that 's why i 'm not looking now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>especially on my palm pre but i agree with the premise that roads are dangerous, that's why i'm not looking now...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31671960</id>
	<title>Just</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269967680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cut grooves in the road. Their space will be dictated byt the speed you want people to go.</p><p>If you want the number 1 lane to be used for passing, keep the other lanes in better condition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cut grooves in the road .
Their space will be dictated byt the speed you want people to go.If you want the number 1 lane to be used for passing , keep the other lanes in better condition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cut grooves in the road.
Their space will be dictated byt the speed you want people to go.If you want the number 1 lane to be used for passing, keep the other lanes in better condition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_30_1434209.31673084</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269971100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.</p></div><p>Wrongo.  Here's a quote from the study that motorists.org article relies on:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Several studies have demonstrated that drivers who travel either slower or faster than the 85th percentile speed of the traffic stream have a higher accident involvement rate than those drivers whose speed is close to the 85th percentile speed.</p></div><p>Since the speed limits are generally set to the 85th percentile, this means that speeders are more likely to be involved in accidents, not less, and the safest speed is the speed limit.</p></div>
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<tokenext>similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.Wrongo .
Here 's a quote from the study that motorists.org article relies on : Several studies have demonstrated that drivers who travel either slower or faster than the 85th percentile speed of the traffic stream have a higher accident involvement rate than those drivers whose speed is close to the 85th percentile speed.Since the speed limits are generally set to the 85th percentile , this means that speeders are more likely to be involved in accidents , not less , and the safest speed is the speed limit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.Wrongo.
Here's a quote from the study that motorists.org article relies on:Several studies have demonstrated that drivers who travel either slower or faster than the 85th percentile speed of the traffic stream have a higher accident involvement rate than those drivers whose speed is close to the 85th percentile speed.Since the speed limits are generally set to the 85th percentile, this means that speeders are more likely to be involved in accidents, not less, and the safest speed is the speed limit.
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