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	<title>9 MA Cyberbullies Indicted For Causing Suicide</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269857940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Raul654 writes <i>"Massachusetts teenager Phoebe Prince committed suicide on January 14. After her death, it was revealed that she had been the target of cyberbullying for months (and that her teachers were aware of it and did nothing). Today, <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/03/29/2010-03-29\_phoebe\_prince\_south\_hadley\_high\_schools\_new\_girl\_driven\_to\_suicide\_by\_teenage\_cy.html">nine of her classmates were indicted</a> on charges including harassment, stalking, civil rights violations, and statutory rape. Prince's suicide echoes the earlier <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/08/05/16/0443232/Woman-Indicted-In-MySpace-Suicide-Case">case of Megan Meier</a>, who committed suicide after being cyberbullied by a classmate's mother."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Raul654 writes " Massachusetts teenager Phoebe Prince committed suicide on January 14 .
After her death , it was revealed that she had been the target of cyberbullying for months ( and that her teachers were aware of it and did nothing ) .
Today , nine of her classmates were indicted on charges including harassment , stalking , civil rights violations , and statutory rape .
Prince 's suicide echoes the earlier case of Megan Meier , who committed suicide after being cyberbullied by a classmate 's mother .
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<sentencetext>Raul654 writes "Massachusetts teenager Phoebe Prince committed suicide on January 14.
After her death, it was revealed that she had been the target of cyberbullying for months (and that her teachers were aware of it and did nothing).
Today, nine of her classmates were indicted on charges including harassment, stalking, civil rights violations, and statutory rape.
Prince's suicide echoes the earlier case of Megan Meier, who committed suicide after being cyberbullied by a classmate's mother.
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	<title>hanged vs hung</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Phoebe walked into her house and hung herself in a stairwell.</p></div></blockquote><p>Not that the failure in copy editing is really the most important part of this story...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Phoebe walked into her house and hung herself in a stairwell.Not that the failure in copy editing is really the most important part of this story.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phoebe walked into her house and hung herself in a stairwell.Not that the failure in copy editing is really the most important part of this story...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669230</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1269957900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The poor girl was PHYSICALLY beaten and raped; that didn't happen on FaceBook. What happened online was trivial, what happened at school was horrendous.</p><p>What I find most appalling about this whole mess was that the bullying took place at school and the school officials did nothing, yet none were charged or disciplined.</p><p>The principal shoulc be in jail with the kids. He let her down more than anybody. Hopefully this waste of tax dollars (the principal) will be economically castrated in a lawsuit by her parents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The poor girl was PHYSICALLY beaten and raped ; that did n't happen on FaceBook .
What happened online was trivial , what happened at school was horrendous.What I find most appalling about this whole mess was that the bullying took place at school and the school officials did nothing , yet none were charged or disciplined.The principal shoulc be in jail with the kids .
He let her down more than anybody .
Hopefully this waste of tax dollars ( the principal ) will be economically castrated in a lawsuit by her parents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The poor girl was PHYSICALLY beaten and raped; that didn't happen on FaceBook.
What happened online was trivial, what happened at school was horrendous.What I find most appalling about this whole mess was that the bullying took place at school and the school officials did nothing, yet none were charged or disciplined.The principal shoulc be in jail with the kids.
He let her down more than anybody.
Hopefully this waste of tax dollars (the principal) will be economically castrated in a lawsuit by her parents.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667642</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Canie</author>
	<datestamp>1269940440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>Whats disturbing, is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized. Sometimes when your being bullied, simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.</p></div></blockquote><p>The solution here is parenting.  And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing, I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.  In reality they probably should have gotten in touch with the girl's parents proactively and discussed the situation.</p></div><p>As the parent of a child who was bullied, I can say that addressing it myself was the only option I could see. I found out the names of the kids who were doing it, looked them up in the School Directory (which probably no longer exists due to privacy issues), and visited the homes of the kids involved - unannounced. I took my son with me and simply said I was there to speak to the bully's parent or guardian. I wasn't angry in my approach. I was quite matter of fact, presenting a problem and asking for help with the solution. A few of the kids were kept at the door by the parent and none of them disagreed with what was stated.</p><p>It was important enough to my son and he trusted me enough that this succeeded. His willingness to go with me convinced me he was being honest and made it very easy to convey to him that he had my total support. I think shock value - because so few parents did this kind of thing back then - was hugely helpful. Even the parents who may have been belligerent had I called and made an appointment weren't able to muster much bluster, especially if their son was there. Also, the informality and the brevity of the conversations helped prevent making a mountain out of what was still a molehill. I think my calm presentation of a problem that needed a solution was a little disarming. I wasn't there screaming about their terrible kid. I just wanted to figure out exactly what was happening so that we could find a solution.</p><p>While I encountered parents who were convinced that their child could do no wrong, all of the kids left my son alone immediately after the visits. Less than six months later he was invited to play by a couple of the kids and it was just ordinary kid play. Maybe we were just lucky but it worked.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Whats disturbing , is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized .
Sometimes when your being bullied , simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.The solution here is parenting .
And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing , I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved .
In reality they probably should have gotten in touch with the girl 's parents proactively and discussed the situation.As the parent of a child who was bullied , I can say that addressing it myself was the only option I could see .
I found out the names of the kids who were doing it , looked them up in the School Directory ( which probably no longer exists due to privacy issues ) , and visited the homes of the kids involved - unannounced .
I took my son with me and simply said I was there to speak to the bully 's parent or guardian .
I was n't angry in my approach .
I was quite matter of fact , presenting a problem and asking for help with the solution .
A few of the kids were kept at the door by the parent and none of them disagreed with what was stated.It was important enough to my son and he trusted me enough that this succeeded .
His willingness to go with me convinced me he was being honest and made it very easy to convey to him that he had my total support .
I think shock value - because so few parents did this kind of thing back then - was hugely helpful .
Even the parents who may have been belligerent had I called and made an appointment were n't able to muster much bluster , especially if their son was there .
Also , the informality and the brevity of the conversations helped prevent making a mountain out of what was still a molehill .
I think my calm presentation of a problem that needed a solution was a little disarming .
I was n't there screaming about their terrible kid .
I just wanted to figure out exactly what was happening so that we could find a solution.While I encountered parents who were convinced that their child could do no wrong , all of the kids left my son alone immediately after the visits .
Less than six months later he was invited to play by a couple of the kids and it was just ordinary kid play .
Maybe we were just lucky but it worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats disturbing, is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized.
Sometimes when your being bullied, simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.The solution here is parenting.
And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing, I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.
In reality they probably should have gotten in touch with the girl's parents proactively and discussed the situation.As the parent of a child who was bullied, I can say that addressing it myself was the only option I could see.
I found out the names of the kids who were doing it, looked them up in the School Directory (which probably no longer exists due to privacy issues), and visited the homes of the kids involved - unannounced.
I took my son with me and simply said I was there to speak to the bully's parent or guardian.
I wasn't angry in my approach.
I was quite matter of fact, presenting a problem and asking for help with the solution.
A few of the kids were kept at the door by the parent and none of them disagreed with what was stated.It was important enough to my son and he trusted me enough that this succeeded.
His willingness to go with me convinced me he was being honest and made it very easy to convey to him that he had my total support.
I think shock value - because so few parents did this kind of thing back then - was hugely helpful.
Even the parents who may have been belligerent had I called and made an appointment weren't able to muster much bluster, especially if their son was there.
Also, the informality and the brevity of the conversations helped prevent making a mountain out of what was still a molehill.
I think my calm presentation of a problem that needed a solution was a little disarming.
I wasn't there screaming about their terrible kid.
I just wanted to figure out exactly what was happening so that we could find a solution.While I encountered parents who were convinced that their child could do no wrong, all of the kids left my son alone immediately after the visits.
Less than six months later he was invited to play by a couple of the kids and it was just ordinary kid play.
Maybe we were just lucky but it worked.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664970</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You talk like a piece of shit fundie.

</p><p>We don't like your kind of tea-baggot victim blame here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You talk like a piece of shit fundie .
We do n't like your kind of tea-baggot victim blame here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You talk like a piece of shit fundie.
We don't like your kind of tea-baggot victim blame here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31671830</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1269967320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which in  my mind is "so what?"  She can easily block cyber stuff.</p><p>The real problem is that she was physically attacked in real life, assaulted, threatened and stalked.  The OP is correct; the headline is there to grab attention, when really this was far more than cyberbullying (it was normal bullying, which included a cyber component).</p><p>Might as well said they all played GTA too; could be true, but fairly irrelevent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which in my mind is " so what ?
" She can easily block cyber stuff.The real problem is that she was physically attacked in real life , assaulted , threatened and stalked .
The OP is correct ; the headline is there to grab attention , when really this was far more than cyberbullying ( it was normal bullying , which included a cyber component ) .Might as well said they all played GTA too ; could be true , but fairly irrelevent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which in  my mind is "so what?
"  She can easily block cyber stuff.The real problem is that she was physically attacked in real life, assaulted, threatened and stalked.
The OP is correct; the headline is there to grab attention, when really this was far more than cyberbullying (it was normal bullying, which included a cyber component).Might as well said they all played GTA too; could be true, but fairly irrelevent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663262</id>
	<title>Political correctness run amok</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on people, use your COMMON SENSE!  Instead of putting people in jail, we should be educating children to simply ignore the taunts.  How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that can't take a joke?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on people , use your COMMON SENSE !
Instead of putting people in jail , we should be educating children to simply ignore the taunts .
How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that ca n't take a joke ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on people, use your COMMON SENSE!
Instead of putting people in jail, we should be educating children to simply ignore the taunts.
How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that can't take a joke?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669744</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>jockeys</author>
	<datestamp>1269960780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure there were quite a few bullied kids who, upon seeing the events of Columbine unfold on TV, cheered for Klebold and Harris.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure there were quite a few bullied kids who , upon seeing the events of Columbine unfold on TV , cheered for Klebold and Harris .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure there were quite a few bullied kids who, upon seeing the events of Columbine unfold on TV, cheered for Klebold and Harris.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667576</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>ArsenneLupin</author>
	<datestamp>1269939660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Parent should have access to their kids communications, and failure to monitor and stop criminal activity makes them accomplices.</p></div><p>Actually, parents having access to kids' communications could make the situation much worse. The <em>victim's</em> parents would have access to the victim's communication as well, and with if his parents are of the "bullying is good, it builds character" kind? (which they most likely are, in cases like this, or else the kid would already have whined to them, and they would have done sth).</p><p>
The thing that usually breaks the victim's back is <em>complete lack of support</em> even from their own family. So they try to keep it secret, and carry their cross in isolation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Parent should have access to their kids communications , and failure to monitor and stop criminal activity makes them accomplices.Actually , parents having access to kids ' communications could make the situation much worse .
The victim 's parents would have access to the victim 's communication as well , and with if his parents are of the " bullying is good , it builds character " kind ?
( which they most likely are , in cases like this , or else the kid would already have whined to them , and they would have done sth ) .
The thing that usually breaks the victim 's back is complete lack of support even from their own family .
So they try to keep it secret , and carry their cross in isolation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parent should have access to their kids communications, and failure to monitor and stop criminal activity makes them accomplices.Actually, parents having access to kids' communications could make the situation much worse.
The victim's parents would have access to the victim's communication as well, and with if his parents are of the "bullying is good, it builds character" kind?
(which they most likely are, in cases like this, or else the kid would already have whined to them, and they would have done sth).
The thing that usually breaks the victim's back is complete lack of support even from their own family.
So they try to keep it secret, and carry their cross in isolation.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666494</id>
	<title>One thing you can do, is remember these names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269884040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sean Mulveyhill, 17, charged with statutory rape, civil rights violations, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.<br>Kayla Narey, 17, civil rights violations, criminal harassment, disturbance of a school assembly.<br>Austin Renaud, 18, statutory rape.<br>Ashley Longe, 16, civil rights violations.<br>Flannery Mullins, 16, civil rights violations, stalking.<br>Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16, civil rights violations, stalking.<br>Three other juvenile girls, all unnamed, have been charged with civil rights violations, criminal harassment, and assault.</p><p>If you ever have the opportunity to interview them for a job, bounce them.</p><p>Better yet, maybe someone here knows how to show them a little of their own medicine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sean Mulveyhill , 17 , charged with statutory rape , civil rights violations , criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.Kayla Narey , 17 , civil rights violations , criminal harassment , disturbance of a school assembly.Austin Renaud , 18 , statutory rape.Ashley Longe , 16 , civil rights violations.Flannery Mullins , 16 , civil rights violations , stalking.Sharon Chanon Velazquez , 16 , civil rights violations , stalking.Three other juvenile girls , all unnamed , have been charged with civil rights violations , criminal harassment , and assault.If you ever have the opportunity to interview them for a job , bounce them.Better yet , maybe someone here knows how to show them a little of their own medicine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sean Mulveyhill, 17, charged with statutory rape, civil rights violations, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.Kayla Narey, 17, civil rights violations, criminal harassment, disturbance of a school assembly.Austin Renaud, 18, statutory rape.Ashley Longe, 16, civil rights violations.Flannery Mullins, 16, civil rights violations, stalking.Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16, civil rights violations, stalking.Three other juvenile girls, all unnamed, have been charged with civil rights violations, criminal harassment, and assault.If you ever have the opportunity to interview them for a job, bounce them.Better yet, maybe someone here knows how to show them a little of their own medicine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666480</id>
	<title>internet changes everything</title>
	<author>Khashishi</author>
	<datestamp>1269883920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When bullying is in the playground, it's just bullying. When it's online, it suddenly becomes cyberbullying. And that's a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When bullying is in the playground , it 's just bullying .
When it 's online , it suddenly becomes cyberbullying .
And that 's a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When bullying is in the playground, it's just bullying.
When it's online, it suddenly becomes cyberbullying.
And that's a problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669054</id>
	<title>Re:Would it be legal to do this to an adult?</title>
	<author>proud american</author>
	<datestamp>1269956820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with you.  I have never understood why we consider it ok to run schools via the laws of the jungle.  Students don't even have a choice to not go or to change schools.

Were an adult subjected to any such behavior at work they would expect it to be stopped immediately or they would sue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you .
I have never understood why we consider it ok to run schools via the laws of the jungle .
Students do n't even have a choice to not go or to change schools .
Were an adult subjected to any such behavior at work they would expect it to be stopped immediately or they would sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you.
I have never understood why we consider it ok to run schools via the laws of the jungle.
Students don't even have a choice to not go or to change schools.
Were an adult subjected to any such behavior at work they would expect it to be stopped immediately or they would sue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664252</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269867300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, and that is probably the reason many people do not intervene these days.  If you do the right thing and step in then you have to be careful you don't open yourself to some legal liability.  It happens all the time in our school system and so all we are left with is apathetic teachers and officials who will not take the appropriate actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , and that is probably the reason many people do not intervene these days .
If you do the right thing and step in then you have to be careful you do n't open yourself to some legal liability .
It happens all the time in our school system and so all we are left with is apathetic teachers and officials who will not take the appropriate actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, and that is probably the reason many people do not intervene these days.
If you do the right thing and step in then you have to be careful you don't open yourself to some legal liability.
It happens all the time in our school system and so all we are left with is apathetic teachers and officials who will not take the appropriate actions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31671840</id>
	<title>Re:Internets ... serious business</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269967320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're in idiot who ahs no idea what it's like to raise a child</p><p>Bulling can be very serious and ahve critical negative effects, like suicide. It's not just the internet.</p><p>If what you do in your house harms or effects other people, then yeah you can be restricted.</p><p>Being on the internet is not being in your own house. Just like putting speakers up to your windows and playing White Snake at 200 db will be restricted.</p><p>"here are NO crimes on the internet. "</p><p>Well done, you have just made the stupidest statement ever made on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>Not an easy feat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're in idiot who ahs no idea what it 's like to raise a childBulling can be very serious and ahve critical negative effects , like suicide .
It 's not just the internet.If what you do in your house harms or effects other people , then yeah you can be restricted.Being on the internet is not being in your own house .
Just like putting speakers up to your windows and playing White Snake at 200 db will be restricted .
" here are NO crimes on the internet .
" Well done , you have just made the stupidest statement ever made on /.Not an easy feat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're in idiot who ahs no idea what it's like to raise a childBulling can be very serious and ahve critical negative effects, like suicide.
It's not just the internet.If what you do in your house harms or effects other people, then yeah you can be restricted.Being on the internet is not being in your own house.
Just like putting speakers up to your windows and playing White Snake at 200 db will be restricted.
"here are NO crimes on the internet.
"Well done, you have just made the stupidest statement ever made on /.Not an easy feat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663558</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1269863520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair, this is a high school; these 'children' are at least 14. Not so much 'little Johnny'. They do know better.</p><p>Let's be perfectly clear here. <b>Suicide is irrational</b>. There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.</p><p>Let me say it again: <b>Suicide Is Irrational</b>. Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.</p><p>I'm not saying these kids aren't dicks, and they should have their ass handed to them under whatever law outlaws bullying, but as I see it, the only person who can possibly be responsible for a <b>sui</b>cide can only be the <b>sui</b>, the self.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , this is a high school ; these 'children ' are at least 14 .
Not so much 'little Johnny' .
They do know better.Let 's be perfectly clear here .
Suicide is irrational .
There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.Let me say it again : Suicide Is Irrational .
Without extreme methods , you simply ca n't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.I 'm not saying these kids are n't dicks , and they should have their ass handed to them under whatever law outlaws bullying , but as I see it , the only person who can possibly be responsible for a suicide can only be the sui , the self .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, this is a high school; these 'children' are at least 14.
Not so much 'little Johnny'.
They do know better.Let's be perfectly clear here.
Suicide is irrational.
There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.Let me say it again: Suicide Is Irrational.
Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.I'm not saying these kids aren't dicks, and they should have their ass handed to them under whatever law outlaws bullying, but as I see it, the only person who can possibly be responsible for a suicide can only be the sui, the self.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269981960000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Statutory rape and physical harrassment (scrubbing pictures, throwing items, knocking items) are more than name calling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Statutory rape and physical harrassment ( scrubbing pictures , throwing items , knocking items ) are more than name calling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Statutory rape and physical harrassment (scrubbing pictures, throwing items, knocking items) are more than name calling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665988</id>
	<title>Onion article</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1269878760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/" title="theonion.com">http://www.theonion.com/</a> [theonion.com] and search for columbine jocks safely resume bullying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.theonion.com/ [ theonion.com ] and search for columbine jocks safely resume bullying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.theonion.com/ [theonion.com] and search for columbine jocks safely resume bullying.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>compro01</author>
	<datestamp>1269866820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.</p></div><p>does physical and psychological abuse 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, with enforced attendance qualify?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without extreme methods , you simply ca n't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.does physical and psychological abuse 8 hours a day , 5 days a week , with enforced attendance qualify ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.does physical and psychological abuse 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, with enforced attendance qualify?
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862560000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, she was raped online. No, I believe what actually happened was that she had sex with a boy more than N year old. That's why it's "statutory rape" instead of just "rape". It's rape, only as defined by statute.</p><p>dom</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , she was raped online .
No , I believe what actually happened was that she had sex with a boy more than N year old .
That 's why it 's " statutory rape " instead of just " rape " .
It 's rape , only as defined by statute.dom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, she was raped online.
No, I believe what actually happened was that she had sex with a boy more than N year old.
That's why it's "statutory rape" instead of just "rape".
It's rape, only as defined by statute.dom</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667006</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  Loud mouth kids the teachers can barely control don't get the heat.  The kid that gets bullied gets the heat.  Yelled at.  Outed, and forced to more torture and abuse (physical, emotional, structural).  The teachers are often worse than the kids.  If the kid brings a gun to school to protect himself, he is a 'nutter with a gun' but its ok for him to be abused daily.  Punching, kicking, body slams, spitting, abuse are all fair game.  It disgusts me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Loud mouth kids the teachers can barely control do n't get the heat .
The kid that gets bullied gets the heat .
Yelled at .
Outed , and forced to more torture and abuse ( physical , emotional , structural ) .
The teachers are often worse than the kids .
If the kid brings a gun to school to protect himself , he is a 'nutter with a gun ' but its ok for him to be abused daily .
Punching , kicking , body slams , spitting , abuse are all fair game .
It disgusts me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Loud mouth kids the teachers can barely control don't get the heat.
The kid that gets bullied gets the heat.
Yelled at.
Outed, and forced to more torture and abuse (physical, emotional, structural).
The teachers are often worse than the kids.
If the kid brings a gun to school to protect himself, he is a 'nutter with a gun' but its ok for him to be abused daily.
Punching, kicking, body slams, spitting, abuse are all fair game.
It disgusts me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1269870300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that changes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... what exactly?</p><p>Oh, the difference is that the whole world could see it instead of just everyone that knows her? Newsflash: THE WORLD DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT. Does anyone here (provided he doesn't know her) care whether she's called an Irish slut? Call her an Italian dyke for all I care.</p><p>That is in NO way different from "offline" bullying. Whether "the whole world" knows or just the people that know her does not change a thing. Except that in this case there's hard evidence of it happening, compared to the bullying and mobbing that went on when we went to school. If a teenager killed himself before the onset of the internet craze, it was easily blamed on something else and shifted on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... rock music or whatever was the applicable scapegoat. The school could easily claim they didn't have a clue and the bullies certainly didn't come forward.</p><p>The difference is not that it's now "world wide known". The difference is that there's evidence now. And I fear the reaction will be to attempt to eliminate that evidence rather than stop the bullying.</p><p>It's easier to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that changes ... what exactly ? Oh , the difference is that the whole world could see it instead of just everyone that knows her ?
Newsflash : THE WORLD DOES N'T GIVE A SHIT .
Does anyone here ( provided he does n't know her ) care whether she 's called an Irish slut ?
Call her an Italian dyke for all I care.That is in NO way different from " offline " bullying .
Whether " the whole world " knows or just the people that know her does not change a thing .
Except that in this case there 's hard evidence of it happening , compared to the bullying and mobbing that went on when we went to school .
If a teenager killed himself before the onset of the internet craze , it was easily blamed on something else and shifted on ... rock music or whatever was the applicable scapegoat .
The school could easily claim they did n't have a clue and the bullies certainly did n't come forward.The difference is not that it 's now " world wide known " .
The difference is that there 's evidence now .
And I fear the reaction will be to attempt to eliminate that evidence rather than stop the bullying.It 's easier to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that changes ... what exactly?Oh, the difference is that the whole world could see it instead of just everyone that knows her?
Newsflash: THE WORLD DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT.
Does anyone here (provided he doesn't know her) care whether she's called an Irish slut?
Call her an Italian dyke for all I care.That is in NO way different from "offline" bullying.
Whether "the whole world" knows or just the people that know her does not change a thing.
Except that in this case there's hard evidence of it happening, compared to the bullying and mobbing that went on when we went to school.
If a teenager killed himself before the onset of the internet craze, it was easily blamed on something else and shifted on ... rock music or whatever was the applicable scapegoat.
The school could easily claim they didn't have a clue and the bullies certainly didn't come forward.The difference is not that it's now "world wide known".
The difference is that there's evidence now.
And I fear the reaction will be to attempt to eliminate that evidence rather than stop the bullying.It's easier to do.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269866580000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you expect when friends don't stand up for friends?</p><p>Who do you try to blame, bullying adults were bullying kids at one point of their life as well !</p><p>Do ourselves have the guts to speak up for others when unfair things occur?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you expect when friends do n't stand up for friends ? Who do you try to blame , bullying adults were bullying kids at one point of their life as well ! Do ourselves have the guts to speak up for others when unfair things occur ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you expect when friends don't stand up for friends?Who do you try to blame, bullying adults were bullying kids at one point of their life as well !Do ourselves have the guts to speak up for others when unfair things occur?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665438</id>
	<title>Dangerous Precedent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874680000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe that this sets a dangerous precedent. From now on, any teenage suicide will be scrutinized from the perspective of "Whose fault is this." Everyone has been bullied to some extent, so there will always be someone to blame.</p><p>In this case, the bullying seems to be above and beyond what most children endure. However, do trust the court system to use judicial restraint and only prosecute cases such as these? Probably not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe that this sets a dangerous precedent .
From now on , any teenage suicide will be scrutinized from the perspective of " Whose fault is this .
" Everyone has been bullied to some extent , so there will always be someone to blame.In this case , the bullying seems to be above and beyond what most children endure .
However , do trust the court system to use judicial restraint and only prosecute cases such as these ?
Probably not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe that this sets a dangerous precedent.
From now on, any teenage suicide will be scrutinized from the perspective of "Whose fault is this.
" Everyone has been bullied to some extent, so there will always be someone to blame.In this case, the bullying seems to be above and beyond what most children endure.
However, do trust the court system to use judicial restraint and only prosecute cases such as these?
Probably not.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1269872400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the School administrators/teachers/parents should intervene, but in a different way.  Having an adult step in and tell the bully to leave the bullied kid alone isn't going to be effective.  The kids will take that as a sign that the kid can't take care of him/herself and bully them further.  Taking the bullied kid aside and trying to instill some self confidence in them, in my opinion, is the better route.</p><p>I say this out of experience.  I was one of the smallest, smartest, quietest, and most shy boys in school.  Obviously that made me an obvious target.  First grade in particular was rough for me.  I developed a complex where I was afraid to go to the bathroom during school because someone might bully me in the bathroom or on the way.  My grades suffered and I was not happy.</p><p>  My dad (who probably would have bullied me if we were in school together) sat me down on several occasions about being comfortable with who I was, not being afraid to talk, and generally sticking up for myself.  I started to put his words into actions and by 3rd grade...I managed to be pretty popular.  By 5th grade, I was pretty much untouchable, as any kid who wanted to mess with me would incur the wrath of the other bullies.  Even in Middle/HIgh School I was surprisingly popular for one of the "Smart Kids".  I can't imagine that things would have went down this way without some good parental guidance.</p><p>I think this would only work for someone who is past the "Verbal abuse with occasional wedgie" and is on to "Getting physically beat on every other day".  I don't really know what to do at that point, but getting a child to come out of their shell earlier on may have prevented that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the School administrators/teachers/parents should intervene , but in a different way .
Having an adult step in and tell the bully to leave the bullied kid alone is n't going to be effective .
The kids will take that as a sign that the kid ca n't take care of him/herself and bully them further .
Taking the bullied kid aside and trying to instill some self confidence in them , in my opinion , is the better route.I say this out of experience .
I was one of the smallest , smartest , quietest , and most shy boys in school .
Obviously that made me an obvious target .
First grade in particular was rough for me .
I developed a complex where I was afraid to go to the bathroom during school because someone might bully me in the bathroom or on the way .
My grades suffered and I was not happy .
My dad ( who probably would have bullied me if we were in school together ) sat me down on several occasions about being comfortable with who I was , not being afraid to talk , and generally sticking up for myself .
I started to put his words into actions and by 3rd grade...I managed to be pretty popular .
By 5th grade , I was pretty much untouchable , as any kid who wanted to mess with me would incur the wrath of the other bullies .
Even in Middle/HIgh School I was surprisingly popular for one of the " Smart Kids " .
I ca n't imagine that things would have went down this way without some good parental guidance.I think this would only work for someone who is past the " Verbal abuse with occasional wedgie " and is on to " Getting physically beat on every other day " .
I do n't really know what to do at that point , but getting a child to come out of their shell earlier on may have prevented that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the School administrators/teachers/parents should intervene, but in a different way.
Having an adult step in and tell the bully to leave the bullied kid alone isn't going to be effective.
The kids will take that as a sign that the kid can't take care of him/herself and bully them further.
Taking the bullied kid aside and trying to instill some self confidence in them, in my opinion, is the better route.I say this out of experience.
I was one of the smallest, smartest, quietest, and most shy boys in school.
Obviously that made me an obvious target.
First grade in particular was rough for me.
I developed a complex where I was afraid to go to the bathroom during school because someone might bully me in the bathroom or on the way.
My grades suffered and I was not happy.
My dad (who probably would have bullied me if we were in school together) sat me down on several occasions about being comfortable with who I was, not being afraid to talk, and generally sticking up for myself.
I started to put his words into actions and by 3rd grade...I managed to be pretty popular.
By 5th grade, I was pretty much untouchable, as any kid who wanted to mess with me would incur the wrath of the other bullies.
Even in Middle/HIgh School I was surprisingly popular for one of the "Smart Kids".
I can't imagine that things would have went down this way without some good parental guidance.I think this would only work for someone who is past the "Verbal abuse with occasional wedgie" and is on to "Getting physically beat on every other day".
I don't really know what to do at that point, but getting a child to come out of their shell earlier on may have prevented that.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'll Jump</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269879840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Not every children see school as optional.  When I was kid, I valued getting good grades as family obligation; I was not surprised that I would be disowned if my grade dropped.  The day I skip school was that day I would have killed myself.</p><p>Good for me that my bullying in school only extend to people pushing me down the stair, gangs beating, and robbing.  There are much worst victim where people lock others in a locker, spiked their foods, being their best "friends" so that they can torture them everyday in the name of "friendship" and "training", and being their boyfriend/girlfriend so that they can dump him/her in the most colourful way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not every children see school as optional .
When I was kid , I valued getting good grades as family obligation ; I was not surprised that I would be disowned if my grade dropped .
The day I skip school was that day I would have killed myself.Good for me that my bullying in school only extend to people pushing me down the stair , gangs beating , and robbing .
There are much worst victim where people lock others in a locker , spiked their foods , being their best " friends " so that they can torture them everyday in the name of " friendship " and " training " , and being their boyfriend/girlfriend so that they can dump him/her in the most colourful way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not every children see school as optional.
When I was kid, I valued getting good grades as family obligation; I was not surprised that I would be disowned if my grade dropped.
The day I skip school was that day I would have killed myself.Good for me that my bullying in school only extend to people pushing me down the stair, gangs beating, and robbing.
There are much worst victim where people lock others in a locker, spiked their foods, being their best "friends" so that they can torture them everyday in the name of "friendship" and "training", and being their boyfriend/girlfriend so that they can dump him/her in the most colourful way.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269941880000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The male teen age criminal is going to be considered a hero, while the girl is going to be considered a slut</p></div><p>Sadly, you are right. However, young women need to take responsibility for their actions. In this case, the students bullying the female student essentially coerced her to commit suicide by creating an environment in which she could not reasonably be expected to seek assistance when authority figures and likely her parents ignored her silent pleas. I feel terrible for this young woman and feel society has died a little more as a consequence of her death.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The male teen age criminal is going to be considered a hero , while the girl is going to be considered a slutSadly , you are right .
However , young women need to take responsibility for their actions .
In this case , the students bullying the female student essentially coerced her to commit suicide by creating an environment in which she could not reasonably be expected to seek assistance when authority figures and likely her parents ignored her silent pleas .
I feel terrible for this young woman and feel society has died a little more as a consequence of her death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The male teen age criminal is going to be considered a hero, while the girl is going to be considered a slutSadly, you are right.
However, young women need to take responsibility for their actions.
In this case, the students bullying the female student essentially coerced her to commit suicide by creating an environment in which she could not reasonably be expected to seek assistance when authority figures and likely her parents ignored her silent pleas.
I feel terrible for this young woman and feel society has died a little more as a consequence of her death.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>MokuMokuRyoushi</author>
	<datestamp>1269867720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Despite only being seventeen, I agree with you completely. If I may offer an observation from a homeschooler's POV - everything today is contributing to the lack of morality and and respect. Like you've mentioned; TV is getting worse(in terms of inappropriate/senseless), the internet doesn't care who sees what. Parents are probably contributing, but mine have been decent and strong all my life, so I can't comment there. Drugs are plentiful and available, 'loud music' is constantly pumping through iPods. <br> <br>With that said, I'm on the internet 45\% of my days, listen to that music with the help of my iPod, and play far more PC games than I can imagine to be healthy. But, I consider myself to be a cognizant, thoughtful(if a little fuzzy-brained) teenage boy. The problem I'm finding is less that kids today have exposure to loads of crap as mentioned(though that obviously is major), but more that <b>they're told that it's okay</b>. When I was growing up(which wasn't so far in the past, and doesn't seem to be over yet), I saw things like that often - but I turned away, with Mom and Dad's early warnings in my ears. When someone goes to school though(!), they link up with their friends, all of who are doing exactly what they were told off for - and then pushed to believe that it's okay. It's okay, it's okay, it's okay - <b>all the other kids are having sex</b>, why not me too? And if they're nervous or scared, their friends will break them of that - whether through "You can do it man!" or "Pussy, go back home to your momma"(disclaimer: I don't even know what the wording would be, just concentrate on the intention behind the phrases). So then it begins to spiral downwards, where it could have been nipped at the bud. My opinion? It sure as <b>hell</b> ain't okay and never will be. If it's possible to convince the generations this deep in though, I don't know the way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite only being seventeen , I agree with you completely .
If I may offer an observation from a homeschooler 's POV - everything today is contributing to the lack of morality and and respect .
Like you 've mentioned ; TV is getting worse ( in terms of inappropriate/senseless ) , the internet does n't care who sees what .
Parents are probably contributing , but mine have been decent and strong all my life , so I ca n't comment there .
Drugs are plentiful and available , 'loud music ' is constantly pumping through iPods .
With that said , I 'm on the internet 45 \ % of my days , listen to that music with the help of my iPod , and play far more PC games than I can imagine to be healthy .
But , I consider myself to be a cognizant , thoughtful ( if a little fuzzy-brained ) teenage boy .
The problem I 'm finding is less that kids today have exposure to loads of crap as mentioned ( though that obviously is major ) , but more that they 're told that it 's okay .
When I was growing up ( which was n't so far in the past , and does n't seem to be over yet ) , I saw things like that often - but I turned away , with Mom and Dad 's early warnings in my ears .
When someone goes to school though ( !
) , they link up with their friends , all of who are doing exactly what they were told off for - and then pushed to believe that it 's okay .
It 's okay , it 's okay , it 's okay - all the other kids are having sex , why not me too ?
And if they 're nervous or scared , their friends will break them of that - whether through " You can do it man !
" or " Pussy , go back home to your momma " ( disclaimer : I do n't even know what the wording would be , just concentrate on the intention behind the phrases ) .
So then it begins to spiral downwards , where it could have been nipped at the bud .
My opinion ?
It sure as hell ai n't okay and never will be .
If it 's possible to convince the generations this deep in though , I do n't know the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite only being seventeen, I agree with you completely.
If I may offer an observation from a homeschooler's POV - everything today is contributing to the lack of morality and and respect.
Like you've mentioned; TV is getting worse(in terms of inappropriate/senseless), the internet doesn't care who sees what.
Parents are probably contributing, but mine have been decent and strong all my life, so I can't comment there.
Drugs are plentiful and available, 'loud music' is constantly pumping through iPods.
With that said, I'm on the internet 45\% of my days, listen to that music with the help of my iPod, and play far more PC games than I can imagine to be healthy.
But, I consider myself to be a cognizant, thoughtful(if a little fuzzy-brained) teenage boy.
The problem I'm finding is less that kids today have exposure to loads of crap as mentioned(though that obviously is major), but more that they're told that it's okay.
When I was growing up(which wasn't so far in the past, and doesn't seem to be over yet), I saw things like that often - but I turned away, with Mom and Dad's early warnings in my ears.
When someone goes to school though(!
), they link up with their friends, all of who are doing exactly what they were told off for - and then pushed to believe that it's okay.
It's okay, it's okay, it's okay - all the other kids are having sex, why not me too?
And if they're nervous or scared, their friends will break them of that - whether through "You can do it man!
" or "Pussy, go back home to your momma"(disclaimer: I don't even know what the wording would be, just concentrate on the intention behind the phrases).
So then it begins to spiral downwards, where it could have been nipped at the bud.
My opinion?
It sure as hell ain't okay and never will be.
If it's possible to convince the generations this deep in though, I don't know the way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665280</id>
	<title>Re:No one made her do it</title>
	<author>Qzukk</author>
	<datestamp>1269873600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>No one made her do it, she chose to do it on her own accord.</i></p><p>The premise behind this thinking has been more or less held invalid since the invention of theaters that may or may not be on fire.  Saying something with the intention of causing other people to react in ways that cause harm to themselves or others is generally unacceptable.</p><p><i>acknowledging that people are responsible for their actions.</i></p><p>People are responsible for their actions but inhuman assholes get off scot-free?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one made her do it , she chose to do it on her own accord.The premise behind this thinking has been more or less held invalid since the invention of theaters that may or may not be on fire .
Saying something with the intention of causing other people to react in ways that cause harm to themselves or others is generally unacceptable.acknowledging that people are responsible for their actions.People are responsible for their actions but inhuman assholes get off scot-free ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one made her do it, she chose to do it on her own accord.The premise behind this thinking has been more or less held invalid since the invention of theaters that may or may not be on fire.
Saying something with the intention of causing other people to react in ways that cause harm to themselves or others is generally unacceptable.acknowledging that people are responsible for their actions.People are responsible for their actions but inhuman assholes get off scot-free?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665582</id>
	<title>Re:I'll Jump</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269875580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>While certainly it is a tragedy that this girl has killed herself, and certainly any criminal activity related should be punished, is it really appropriate to hold others responsible for her choice to kill herself?</p></div></blockquote><p>They're not being charged with her death. They're being charged with the harassment that came before that. I'm sure that the fact this girl killed herself won't work in their favour, but they should have considered the--highly conceivable--consequences of what they were doing.</p><p>These people are twisted sadists and at least one person is dead. How many others have had their lives affected or ruined by these people? This is why we have laws; to deal with this kind of behaviour.</p></div>
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<tokenext>While certainly it is a tragedy that this girl has killed herself , and certainly any criminal activity related should be punished , is it really appropriate to hold others responsible for her choice to kill herself ? They 're not being charged with her death .
They 're being charged with the harassment that came before that .
I 'm sure that the fact this girl killed herself wo n't work in their favour , but they should have considered the--highly conceivable--consequences of what they were doing.These people are twisted sadists and at least one person is dead .
How many others have had their lives affected or ruined by these people ?
This is why we have laws ; to deal with this kind of behaviour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While certainly it is a tragedy that this girl has killed herself, and certainly any criminal activity related should be punished, is it really appropriate to hold others responsible for her choice to kill herself?They're not being charged with her death.
They're being charged with the harassment that came before that.
I'm sure that the fact this girl killed herself won't work in their favour, but they should have considered the--highly conceivable--consequences of what they were doing.These people are twisted sadists and at least one person is dead.
How many others have had their lives affected or ruined by these people?
This is why we have laws; to deal with this kind of behaviour.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664194</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Samah</author>
	<datestamp>1269867000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my experience, the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators...</p></div><p>The problem is that teachers have little to no power these days.  Gone are the days of a rap on the knuckles for not paying attention in class.  If they tried to do something like that now, the parents would sue the school.  Parents will believe pretty much anything their child tells them, so teachers have to tread VERY carefully.</p><p>
Disclaimer: IANAT, but my mother is a principal, so I hear a lot of stories.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In my experience , the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators...The problem is that teachers have little to no power these days .
Gone are the days of a rap on the knuckles for not paying attention in class .
If they tried to do something like that now , the parents would sue the school .
Parents will believe pretty much anything their child tells them , so teachers have to tread VERY carefully .
Disclaimer : IANAT , but my mother is a principal , so I hear a lot of stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators...The problem is that teachers have little to no power these days.
Gone are the days of a rap on the knuckles for not paying attention in class.
If they tried to do something like that now, the parents would sue the school.
Parents will believe pretty much anything their child tells them, so teachers have to tread VERY carefully.
Disclaimer: IANAT, but my mother is a principal, so I hear a lot of stories.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31676540</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Doctor\_Jest</author>
	<datestamp>1269940380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I suppose that's true, but when I was a kid, bullies either got the best of you or you got the best of them...
<br> <br>
Kick the shit out of them.  You might lose, but even in a loss you become more trouble to bully than someone who doesn't do anything except cower.  And before anyone says "she's a girl"... yeah... I've seen girl fights... I wouldn't want to be in one, that's for sure.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
<br> <br>
I remember spending some time at home because I beat the snot out of someone for pushing me around and bullying.  I also remember doing some time at home after another bully kicked the crap out of me for standing up to him.  Funny thing was, in both cases, they left me alone after that.  It was worth it... and I got to punch the lights out of a bully. Both bullies left the fight remembering it and more importantly remembering not to fuck with me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I suppose that 's true , but when I was a kid , bullies either got the best of you or you got the best of them.. . Kick the shit out of them .
You might lose , but even in a loss you become more trouble to bully than someone who does n't do anything except cower .
And before anyone says " she 's a girl " ... yeah... I 've seen girl fights... I would n't want to be in one , that 's for sure .
: ) I remember spending some time at home because I beat the snot out of someone for pushing me around and bullying .
I also remember doing some time at home after another bully kicked the crap out of me for standing up to him .
Funny thing was , in both cases , they left me alone after that .
It was worth it... and I got to punch the lights out of a bully .
Both bullies left the fight remembering it and more importantly remembering not to fuck with me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I suppose that's true, but when I was a kid, bullies either got the best of you or you got the best of them...
 
Kick the shit out of them.
You might lose, but even in a loss you become more trouble to bully than someone who doesn't do anything except cower.
And before anyone says "she's a girl"... yeah... I've seen girl fights... I wouldn't want to be in one, that's for sure.
:)
 
I remember spending some time at home because I beat the snot out of someone for pushing me around and bullying.
I also remember doing some time at home after another bully kicked the crap out of me for standing up to him.
Funny thing was, in both cases, they left me alone after that.
It was worth it... and I got to punch the lights out of a bully.
Both bullies left the fight remembering it and more importantly remembering not to fuck with me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663484</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page? That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.</p></div><p>I would call them immature not sociopathic. It's just kids drawing attention to themselves, without understanding what they are doing.<br>I hate the "RIP" comment (using an abbreviation as a final goodbye seems insane to me), often used by adults.<br>If you ask me memorials do not belong on the internet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page ?
That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.I would call them immature not sociopathic .
It 's just kids drawing attention to themselves , without understanding what they are doing.I hate the " RIP " comment ( using an abbreviation as a final goodbye seems insane to me ) , often used by adults.If you ask me memorials do not belong on the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page?
That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.I would call them immature not sociopathic.
It's just kids drawing attention to themselves, without understanding what they are doing.I hate the "RIP" comment (using an abbreviation as a final goodbye seems insane to me), often used by adults.If you ask me memorials do not belong on the internet.
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1269884520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but we all hate you. This girl was hot, so completely different situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but we all hate you .
This girl was hot , so completely different situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but we all hate you.
This girl was hot, so completely different situation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664952</id>
	<title>Would it be legal to do this to an adult?</title>
	<author>RexDevious</author>
	<datestamp>1269870960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that a lot of activities which are described as "bullying" when done to high school kids, would be legally defined as "assault" if it were done to an adult. I understand the idea of granting minors some leniency in punishment, but I don't understand the downgrading the action simply because of the age of the victim. If those kids threw a full soda can at some 93 year old women, or pushed her down, or knocked her purse out of her hands - wouldn't that be assault, complete with arrest and pressing charges and all that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that a lot of activities which are described as " bullying " when done to high school kids , would be legally defined as " assault " if it were done to an adult .
I understand the idea of granting minors some leniency in punishment , but I do n't understand the downgrading the action simply because of the age of the victim .
If those kids threw a full soda can at some 93 year old women , or pushed her down , or knocked her purse out of her hands - would n't that be assault , complete with arrest and pressing charges and all that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that a lot of activities which are described as "bullying" when done to high school kids, would be legally defined as "assault" if it were done to an adult.
I understand the idea of granting minors some leniency in punishment, but I don't understand the downgrading the action simply because of the age of the victim.
If those kids threw a full soda can at some 93 year old women, or pushed her down, or knocked her purse out of her hands - wouldn't that be assault, complete with arrest and pressing charges and all that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663438</id>
	<title>Re:it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>No. <i>"The two males, 17 and 18, are charged with statutory rape."</i> <br>That means it was consensual sex with fellow high-school students.  That's quite different from saying she was raped.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
" The two males , 17 and 18 , are charged with statutory rape .
" That means it was consensual sex with fellow high-school students .
That 's quite different from saying she was raped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
"The two males, 17 and 18, are charged with statutory rape.
" That means it was consensual sex with fellow high-school students.
That's quite different from saying she was raped.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667708</id>
	<title>Shouldn't it be easy to teach the bullies?</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1269941280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shouldn't it be enough to tell a bully, that picking on someone can put you on top of his death list, should he ever snap?...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't it be enough to tell a bully , that picking on someone can put you on top of his death list , should he ever snap ? .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't it be enough to tell a bully, that picking on someone can put you on top of his death list, should he ever snap?...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665366</id>
	<title>Re:No one made her do it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck you and your Asperger's-tainted worldview, you tiny-brained twat.</p><p>She was a little girl. She wasn't old enough to "make a choice" because she wasn't old enough to know any better. Worse, she was willfully ignored by the very people who were there to help her with that choice.</p><p>It should have been you. You with your stereotypical mouth-breathing hurr hurr basement-dweller holier-than-thou self reliance preach, too stupid to see past your pathetic isolation to ever truly connect with another human being.</p><p>The world is a smaller, sadder place now. Someone who felt something died, and we're stuck with another abhuman piece of shit like you.</p><p>It should have been you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck you and your Asperger 's-tainted worldview , you tiny-brained twat.She was a little girl .
She was n't old enough to " make a choice " because she was n't old enough to know any better .
Worse , she was willfully ignored by the very people who were there to help her with that choice.It should have been you .
You with your stereotypical mouth-breathing hurr hurr basement-dweller holier-than-thou self reliance preach , too stupid to see past your pathetic isolation to ever truly connect with another human being.The world is a smaller , sadder place now .
Someone who felt something died , and we 're stuck with another abhuman piece of shit like you.It should have been you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck you and your Asperger's-tainted worldview, you tiny-brained twat.She was a little girl.
She wasn't old enough to "make a choice" because she wasn't old enough to know any better.
Worse, she was willfully ignored by the very people who were there to help her with that choice.It should have been you.
You with your stereotypical mouth-breathing hurr hurr basement-dweller holier-than-thou self reliance preach, too stupid to see past your pathetic isolation to ever truly connect with another human being.The world is a smaller, sadder place now.
Someone who felt something died, and we're stuck with another abhuman piece of shit like you.It should have been you.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:USPS has infected English</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269884760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but they don't like it.</p></div><p>heh, no kidding.</p><p>I use New York City and no state or zip and it gets there.  The do stamp it up quite a bit.  And the odd thing, is that it seems to get there faster.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but they do n't like it.heh , no kidding.I use New York City and no state or zip and it gets there .
The do stamp it up quite a bit .
And the odd thing , is that it seems to get there faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but they don't like it.heh, no kidding.I use New York City and no state or zip and it gets there.
The do stamp it up quite a bit.
And the odd thing, is that it seems to get there faster.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663324</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>tarun713</author>
	<datestamp>1269862320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTA: "According to students, Phoebe was called 'Irish slut' and 'whore' on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring."</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : " According to students , Phoebe was called 'Irish slut ' and 'whore ' on Twitter , Craigslist , Facebook and Formspring .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: "According to students, Phoebe was called 'Irish slut' and 'whore' on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663232</id>
	<title>it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269861840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently, this poor girl was also raped.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , this poor girl was also raped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, this poor girl was also raped.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663938</id>
	<title>Big difference</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269865680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't put people in jail for being assholes.  If that were the case, we'd all be guilty and incarcerated.  Granted what these kids did was shitty.  But by and large that doesn't justify criminal prosecution.  There's plenty of people here who "should've" done something to help her.  That doesn't mean they should be put in jail either.  Shit happens sometimes, that's life.  It's not fair, get over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't put people in jail for being assholes .
If that were the case , we 'd all be guilty and incarcerated .
Granted what these kids did was shitty .
But by and large that does n't justify criminal prosecution .
There 's plenty of people here who " should 've " done something to help her .
That does n't mean they should be put in jail either .
Shit happens sometimes , that 's life .
It 's not fair , get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't put people in jail for being assholes.
If that were the case, we'd all be guilty and incarcerated.
Granted what these kids did was shitty.
But by and large that doesn't justify criminal prosecution.
There's plenty of people here who "should've" done something to help her.
That doesn't mean they should be put in jail either.
Shit happens sometimes, that's life.
It's not fair, get over it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664220</id>
	<title>Parents, not governments, are responsible.</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1269867180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is a person's individual responsibility to decide which social interactions are permissible in his/her life or not, and in the case of a child that responsibility falls onto parents / guardians.  Actual acts of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression\_principle" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">aggression</a> [wikipedia.org] <i>obviously</i> need to be punished, but "cyber-bullying" falls within the margins of normal human interaction (i.e. free speech) that the "victim" could have walked away from at any time.  So the sociological question to ask is - why didn't she?</p><p><b>The vast majority of the social problems children face today come from government-enforced non-consensual over-socialization with randomly chosen "peers" in dumbed-down part-time political brainwashing prisons called "schools"</b>, which gives infinite power to the state and dis-empowers the parents from having any actual influence on their children's lives.  The motivations and incentives that power-hungry government bureaucrats have toward children are <i>very</i> different from those of the family / voluntarily chosen peer group that the human psyche has evolved to deal with, with depression and violence being the obvious result.  The government treats children as cattle to be herded around at the pace of the lowest degenerate, and it matters not what goes on inside their heads as long as they can be milked (taxed) for the government's benefit!  You'd have to be a psychopath not to be driven close to suicide by a system like that!</p><p>From the long-term evolutionary point of view, this one suicide is a perfect example of this horrible socialist system leading to extinction: outright suicides are still rare, but billions of children world-wide are simply not being born as fertility rates in socialist countries drop toward zero.  What kind of parents would want to spend that much time, emotion, and money raising little snitcher drones to be brainwashed and controlled by the state?!  Billions of children don't kill themselves biologically but experience a similar psychological suicide: the death of hope, of spirit, of their individual sense of life...  Your whole socialist society is doomed to gradual suicide over the coming centuries, and the sooner the better!  A freer society (the logical ideal being <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Anarcho-Capitalism</a> [wikipedia.org]) would <a href="http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30621" title="freetalklive.com" rel="nofollow">empower the parents</a> [freetalklive.com] by recognizing their Natural Rights, thus resulting in greater cultural freedom, greater intellectual diversity, incentives for more results-driven career-oriented education, better mental health within the family, healthier children, higher fertility rates, and far better economic and thus scientific growth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a person 's individual responsibility to decide which social interactions are permissible in his/her life or not , and in the case of a child that responsibility falls onto parents / guardians .
Actual acts of aggression [ wikipedia.org ] obviously need to be punished , but " cyber-bullying " falls within the margins of normal human interaction ( i.e .
free speech ) that the " victim " could have walked away from at any time .
So the sociological question to ask is - why did n't she ? The vast majority of the social problems children face today come from government-enforced non-consensual over-socialization with randomly chosen " peers " in dumbed-down part-time political brainwashing prisons called " schools " , which gives infinite power to the state and dis-empowers the parents from having any actual influence on their children 's lives .
The motivations and incentives that power-hungry government bureaucrats have toward children are very different from those of the family / voluntarily chosen peer group that the human psyche has evolved to deal with , with depression and violence being the obvious result .
The government treats children as cattle to be herded around at the pace of the lowest degenerate , and it matters not what goes on inside their heads as long as they can be milked ( taxed ) for the government 's benefit !
You 'd have to be a psychopath not to be driven close to suicide by a system like that ! From the long-term evolutionary point of view , this one suicide is a perfect example of this horrible socialist system leading to extinction : outright suicides are still rare , but billions of children world-wide are simply not being born as fertility rates in socialist countries drop toward zero .
What kind of parents would want to spend that much time , emotion , and money raising little snitcher drones to be brainwashed and controlled by the state ? !
Billions of children do n't kill themselves biologically but experience a similar psychological suicide : the death of hope , of spirit , of their individual sense of life... Your whole socialist society is doomed to gradual suicide over the coming centuries , and the sooner the better !
A freer society ( the logical ideal being Anarcho-Capitalism [ wikipedia.org ] ) would empower the parents [ freetalklive.com ] by recognizing their Natural Rights , thus resulting in greater cultural freedom , greater intellectual diversity , incentives for more results-driven career-oriented education , better mental health within the family , healthier children , higher fertility rates , and far better economic and thus scientific growth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a person's individual responsibility to decide which social interactions are permissible in his/her life or not, and in the case of a child that responsibility falls onto parents / guardians.
Actual acts of aggression [wikipedia.org] obviously need to be punished, but "cyber-bullying" falls within the margins of normal human interaction (i.e.
free speech) that the "victim" could have walked away from at any time.
So the sociological question to ask is - why didn't she?The vast majority of the social problems children face today come from government-enforced non-consensual over-socialization with randomly chosen "peers" in dumbed-down part-time political brainwashing prisons called "schools", which gives infinite power to the state and dis-empowers the parents from having any actual influence on their children's lives.
The motivations and incentives that power-hungry government bureaucrats have toward children are very different from those of the family / voluntarily chosen peer group that the human psyche has evolved to deal with, with depression and violence being the obvious result.
The government treats children as cattle to be herded around at the pace of the lowest degenerate, and it matters not what goes on inside their heads as long as they can be milked (taxed) for the government's benefit!
You'd have to be a psychopath not to be driven close to suicide by a system like that!From the long-term evolutionary point of view, this one suicide is a perfect example of this horrible socialist system leading to extinction: outright suicides are still rare, but billions of children world-wide are simply not being born as fertility rates in socialist countries drop toward zero.
What kind of parents would want to spend that much time, emotion, and money raising little snitcher drones to be brainwashed and controlled by the state?!
Billions of children don't kill themselves biologically but experience a similar psychological suicide: the death of hope, of spirit, of their individual sense of life...  Your whole socialist society is doomed to gradual suicide over the coming centuries, and the sooner the better!
A freer society (the logical ideal being Anarcho-Capitalism [wikipedia.org]) would empower the parents [freetalklive.com] by recognizing their Natural Rights, thus resulting in greater cultural freedom, greater intellectual diversity, incentives for more results-driven career-oriented education, better mental health within the family, healthier children, higher fertility rates, and far better economic and thus scientific growth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31672042</id>
	<title>Yup</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1269967920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>From about grade 3 through to the end of high school. I was "well known", but definitely not popular (mainly due to mouthing off the *wrong* individual early on when he tried to assert his dominance).</p><p>We're not talking just the usual name-calling crap either, but some rather extensive beatings that to this day have left small scars on the back of my head, and my two front teeth are a bit lower than they should be due to being punched in the face.</p><p>The GP was likely not the victim of such systematic torment, or is too old to remember being young. It's not just the events happening at the time, it's the steady flow of mind-and-mood adjusting chemicals that tends to lend towards all sorts of rapid swings of mood.</p><p>The funny thing is, I was more or less *voted* by the general populace to be most likely to go off the deep end, and yet I'm not one of those that ended up with scarred wrists, a nasty addiction, or any other such things. For all the torment, I just dove into other things that kept me distanced from the BS that was going on.</p><p>I still remember to this day being very, very confused when there was a period of about a week where everyone in school was being unusually nice to me. I couldn't figure it out until about 2-3 days in when somebody told me about the Columbine incident. It seemed odd to me, since I wasn't a trenchcoat wearer and had little interest in guns/weapons/violence.</p><p>So maybe my hobbies kept me sane, who knows. I did like games like quake, doom, etc, which may have help relieve frustrations (but really it was just fun to get out and compete with people on my level).</p><p>To those in similar situations, life gets much better after high school. In the meantime, get out on your bike or whatever, get some some, and a bit of exercise. Sun = vitamin D = happier.<br>After high school, you will likely meet more friends of similar interests in college etc, and if you do something about poor self-maintenance, probably some girls as well.<br>Try meeting girls as just friends. Don't try and get in their pants. You'll learn a lot.</p><p>Or, and stay away from drugs and excess. If you survived up until the end of high school, then things that mess up your mental state aren't likely to be all that helpful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From about grade 3 through to the end of high school .
I was " well known " , but definitely not popular ( mainly due to mouthing off the * wrong * individual early on when he tried to assert his dominance ) .We 're not talking just the usual name-calling crap either , but some rather extensive beatings that to this day have left small scars on the back of my head , and my two front teeth are a bit lower than they should be due to being punched in the face.The GP was likely not the victim of such systematic torment , or is too old to remember being young .
It 's not just the events happening at the time , it 's the steady flow of mind-and-mood adjusting chemicals that tends to lend towards all sorts of rapid swings of mood.The funny thing is , I was more or less * voted * by the general populace to be most likely to go off the deep end , and yet I 'm not one of those that ended up with scarred wrists , a nasty addiction , or any other such things .
For all the torment , I just dove into other things that kept me distanced from the BS that was going on.I still remember to this day being very , very confused when there was a period of about a week where everyone in school was being unusually nice to me .
I could n't figure it out until about 2-3 days in when somebody told me about the Columbine incident .
It seemed odd to me , since I was n't a trenchcoat wearer and had little interest in guns/weapons/violence.So maybe my hobbies kept me sane , who knows .
I did like games like quake , doom , etc , which may have help relieve frustrations ( but really it was just fun to get out and compete with people on my level ) .To those in similar situations , life gets much better after high school .
In the meantime , get out on your bike or whatever , get some some , and a bit of exercise .
Sun = vitamin D = happier.After high school , you will likely meet more friends of similar interests in college etc , and if you do something about poor self-maintenance , probably some girls as well.Try meeting girls as just friends .
Do n't try and get in their pants .
You 'll learn a lot.Or , and stay away from drugs and excess .
If you survived up until the end of high school , then things that mess up your mental state are n't likely to be all that helpful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From about grade 3 through to the end of high school.
I was "well known", but definitely not popular (mainly due to mouthing off the *wrong* individual early on when he tried to assert his dominance).We're not talking just the usual name-calling crap either, but some rather extensive beatings that to this day have left small scars on the back of my head, and my two front teeth are a bit lower than they should be due to being punched in the face.The GP was likely not the victim of such systematic torment, or is too old to remember being young.
It's not just the events happening at the time, it's the steady flow of mind-and-mood adjusting chemicals that tends to lend towards all sorts of rapid swings of mood.The funny thing is, I was more or less *voted* by the general populace to be most likely to go off the deep end, and yet I'm not one of those that ended up with scarred wrists, a nasty addiction, or any other such things.
For all the torment, I just dove into other things that kept me distanced from the BS that was going on.I still remember to this day being very, very confused when there was a period of about a week where everyone in school was being unusually nice to me.
I couldn't figure it out until about 2-3 days in when somebody told me about the Columbine incident.
It seemed odd to me, since I wasn't a trenchcoat wearer and had little interest in guns/weapons/violence.So maybe my hobbies kept me sane, who knows.
I did like games like quake, doom, etc, which may have help relieve frustrations (but really it was just fun to get out and compete with people on my level).To those in similar situations, life gets much better after high school.
In the meantime, get out on your bike or whatever, get some some, and a bit of exercise.
Sun = vitamin D = happier.After high school, you will likely meet more friends of similar interests in college etc, and if you do something about poor self-maintenance, probably some girls as well.Try meeting girls as just friends.
Don't try and get in their pants.
You'll learn a lot.Or, and stay away from drugs and excess.
If you survived up until the end of high school, then things that mess up your mental state aren't likely to be all that helpful.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1269865500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least in our school district, the school adminstration has always met the problem head on.  There was a Russian kid who got bullied, he filed a complaint.  The administration took action, called the papers, set up school assemblies and had sessions for the kids.  No news on kids who did it, but I guess that they got some serious counselling.</p><p>Something similar happened to my daughter; she's a jock and walks like a lumberjack.  This kid has bigger arms than most boys her age.  So some girls started to make fun of her; she took it to the administration and the behavior stopped immediately.</p><p>So not all districts are like that.  Only the bad ones make the headlines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in our school district , the school adminstration has always met the problem head on .
There was a Russian kid who got bullied , he filed a complaint .
The administration took action , called the papers , set up school assemblies and had sessions for the kids .
No news on kids who did it , but I guess that they got some serious counselling.Something similar happened to my daughter ; she 's a jock and walks like a lumberjack .
This kid has bigger arms than most boys her age .
So some girls started to make fun of her ; she took it to the administration and the behavior stopped immediately.So not all districts are like that .
Only the bad ones make the headlines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in our school district, the school adminstration has always met the problem head on.
There was a Russian kid who got bullied, he filed a complaint.
The administration took action, called the papers, set up school assemblies and had sessions for the kids.
No news on kids who did it, but I guess that they got some serious counselling.Something similar happened to my daughter; she's a jock and walks like a lumberjack.
This kid has bigger arms than most boys her age.
So some girls started to make fun of her; she took it to the administration and the behavior stopped immediately.So not all districts are like that.
Only the bad ones make the headlines.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'll Jump</title>
	<author>hallucinogen</author>
	<datestamp>1269867300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm thinking what Phoebe did to her bullies is infinitely worse than what they did to her. Imagine growing up knowing that you pushed a classmate over the edge and in a way caused her death. I used to feel horrible because back in elementary school me and a bunch of others bullied this one poor kid for 6 fucking years. Eventually I came to terms with it. I was, like most kids, a fucking retard shithead. Thankfully most of us become better human beings as we mature. And what about Phoebe's little sister and her parents? Did she think how they'd feel as they found her hanging? Did she consider that they might feel a hell of a lot worse than she ever did? Why did she kill herself? Was it a "I'll fucking show them" kind of act and was she really that desperate? Whatever she went thru really doesn't seem to be that big of a thing.. but what do I know. Nobody ever threw a red bull can at me. One year a kid in a school bus bullied me for some months in a row, but I was all passive about it. That is until one day he spat on me. I stood up and punched him in his face. The bullying ended that day..</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking what Phoebe did to her bullies is infinitely worse than what they did to her .
Imagine growing up knowing that you pushed a classmate over the edge and in a way caused her death .
I used to feel horrible because back in elementary school me and a bunch of others bullied this one poor kid for 6 fucking years .
Eventually I came to terms with it .
I was , like most kids , a fucking retard shithead .
Thankfully most of us become better human beings as we mature .
And what about Phoebe 's little sister and her parents ?
Did she think how they 'd feel as they found her hanging ?
Did she consider that they might feel a hell of a lot worse than she ever did ?
Why did she kill herself ?
Was it a " I 'll fucking show them " kind of act and was she really that desperate ?
Whatever she went thru really does n't seem to be that big of a thing.. but what do I know .
Nobody ever threw a red bull can at me .
One year a kid in a school bus bullied me for some months in a row , but I was all passive about it .
That is until one day he spat on me .
I stood up and punched him in his face .
The bullying ended that day. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking what Phoebe did to her bullies is infinitely worse than what they did to her.
Imagine growing up knowing that you pushed a classmate over the edge and in a way caused her death.
I used to feel horrible because back in elementary school me and a bunch of others bullied this one poor kid for 6 fucking years.
Eventually I came to terms with it.
I was, like most kids, a fucking retard shithead.
Thankfully most of us become better human beings as we mature.
And what about Phoebe's little sister and her parents?
Did she think how they'd feel as they found her hanging?
Did she consider that they might feel a hell of a lot worse than she ever did?
Why did she kill herself?
Was it a "I'll fucking show them" kind of act and was she really that desperate?
Whatever she went thru really doesn't seem to be that big of a thing.. but what do I know.
Nobody ever threw a red bull can at me.
One year a kid in a school bus bullied me for some months in a row, but I was all passive about it.
That is until one day he spat on me.
I stood up and punched him in his face.
The bullying ended that day..</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Shadow Wrought</author>
	<datestamp>1269864600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Let's be perfectly clear here. Suicide is irrational. There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.</i>
<br> <br>
True. But my understanding from a Criminal Justice class years ago, is that the victim is accepted as is.  So if you rob a bank and the teller has a heart attack and dies because of a congenital heart defect, you're still on the hook.  You undertook an illegal act and are repsonsible for the consequences, even if they are not immediately forseeable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's be perfectly clear here .
Suicide is irrational .
There was de facto something else wrong with this girl .
True. But my understanding from a Criminal Justice class years ago , is that the victim is accepted as is .
So if you rob a bank and the teller has a heart attack and dies because of a congenital heart defect , you 're still on the hook .
You undertook an illegal act and are repsonsible for the consequences , even if they are not immediately forseeable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's be perfectly clear here.
Suicide is irrational.
There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.
True. But my understanding from a Criminal Justice class years ago, is that the victim is accepted as is.
So if you rob a bank and the teller has a heart attack and dies because of a congenital heart defect, you're still on the hook.
You undertook an illegal act and are repsonsible for the consequences, even if they are not immediately forseeable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31671936</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1269967620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where did it say she was raped?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where did it say she was raped ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where did it say she was raped?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665462</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Big deal.  How is this any different from writing it on the wall of a bathroom stall, painting graphitti on the side of a local concrete bridge, tacking it on a piece of paper and posting it on a telephone pole or bulletin board, or simply telling all your friends the same information on the phone or in person?</p><p>The article makes it sound like this is something entirely new because of the technology involved.  It isn't.  It's just the same old insults with the same malicious intent delivered by stupid, bullying kids using new tools.  The problem here is independent of the tools used to deliver the hurtful messages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big deal .
How is this any different from writing it on the wall of a bathroom stall , painting graphitti on the side of a local concrete bridge , tacking it on a piece of paper and posting it on a telephone pole or bulletin board , or simply telling all your friends the same information on the phone or in person ? The article makes it sound like this is something entirely new because of the technology involved .
It is n't .
It 's just the same old insults with the same malicious intent delivered by stupid , bullying kids using new tools .
The problem here is independent of the tools used to deliver the hurtful messages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big deal.
How is this any different from writing it on the wall of a bathroom stall, painting graphitti on the side of a local concrete bridge, tacking it on a piece of paper and posting it on a telephone pole or bulletin board, or simply telling all your friends the same information on the phone or in person?The article makes it sound like this is something entirely new because of the technology involved.
It isn't.
It's just the same old insults with the same malicious intent delivered by stupid, bullying kids using new tools.
The problem here is independent of the tools used to deliver the hurtful messages.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663760</id>
	<title>Re:Political correctness run amok</title>
	<author>Qzukk</author>
	<datestamp>1269864660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that can't take a joke?</i></p><p>The same way we ended up with precious snowflakes who <a href="http://mountainsageblog.com/2010/01/27/the-untouchable-mean-girls/" title="mountainsageblog.com">slam girls into lockers and punch them in the head.</a> [mountainsageblog.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that ca n't take a joke ? The same way we ended up with precious snowflakes who slam girls into lockers and punch them in the head .
[ mountainsageblog.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that can't take a joke?The same way we ended up with precious snowflakes who slam girls into lockers and punch them in the head.
[mountainsageblog.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This needs to be fixed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the time the parents of bullies are assholes themselves.  Just think of all the adults you know that are jerks, some probably have kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the time the parents of bullies are assholes themselves .
Just think of all the adults you know that are jerks , some probably have kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the time the parents of bullies are assholes themselves.
Just think of all the adults you know that are jerks, some probably have kids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663466</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's because it's easier to blame outside entities like technology, rather than take responsibility for your actions, or more importantly for your child's actions.  If there's anyone that should be blamed (other than the kids who did the bullying), it's their parents for failing to instill any kind of morality or decency.  The parents are, in internet terms, epic fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because it 's easier to blame outside entities like technology , rather than take responsibility for your actions , or more importantly for your child 's actions .
If there 's anyone that should be blamed ( other than the kids who did the bullying ) , it 's their parents for failing to instill any kind of morality or decency .
The parents are , in internet terms , epic fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because it's easier to blame outside entities like technology, rather than take responsibility for your actions, or more importantly for your child's actions.
If there's anyone that should be blamed (other than the kids who did the bullying), it's their parents for failing to instill any kind of morality or decency.
The parents are, in internet terms, epic fail.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>hrimhari</author>
	<datestamp>1269863040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can look a little further and look for why you get spineless teachers and spineless administrators. Those with spine tend to get prosecuted when they attempt disciplinary actions by overzealous parents that most of the time won't do their part in their children's education, leaving all the burden to school.</p><p>Interesting paradox, isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can look a little further and look for why you get spineless teachers and spineless administrators .
Those with spine tend to get prosecuted when they attempt disciplinary actions by overzealous parents that most of the time wo n't do their part in their children 's education , leaving all the burden to school.Interesting paradox , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can look a little further and look for why you get spineless teachers and spineless administrators.
Those with spine tend to get prosecuted when they attempt disciplinary actions by overzealous parents that most of the time won't do their part in their children's education, leaving all the burden to school.Interesting paradox, isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Something important here</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1269941580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'll note that the adults on the scene - the school administrators and teachers who knew what was happening and did nothing to prevent these crimes - are not being given the legal penalties that they so richly deserve. If the attacks were felonies, then in many states those school employees would be co-conspirators and charged accordingly. What the kids did was very wrong - but they're kids and aren't held to the same standards as adults are. But what the school staff did (or didn't do) is just plain wrong. Any functioning adult that would stand by and watch a child be abused isn't fit to work at a school.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll note that the adults on the scene - the school administrators and teachers who knew what was happening and did nothing to prevent these crimes - are not being given the legal penalties that they so richly deserve .
If the attacks were felonies , then in many states those school employees would be co-conspirators and charged accordingly .
What the kids did was very wrong - but they 're kids and are n't held to the same standards as adults are .
But what the school staff did ( or did n't do ) is just plain wrong .
Any functioning adult that would stand by and watch a child be abused is n't fit to work at a school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll note that the adults on the scene - the school administrators and teachers who knew what was happening and did nothing to prevent these crimes - are not being given the legal penalties that they so richly deserve.
If the attacks were felonies, then in many states those school employees would be co-conspirators and charged accordingly.
What the kids did was very wrong - but they're kids and aren't held to the same standards as adults are.
But what the school staff did (or didn't do) is just plain wrong.
Any functioning adult that would stand by and watch a child be abused isn't fit to work at a school.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Don't the indictments just encourage suicide?</title>
	<author>Dr. Spork</author>
	<datestamp>1269874320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it pretty chilling that we are actually rewarding a teenager for suicide. This is a scary precedent. I mean, there are many teens who are bullied, and feel like they have no way to get back at the people who are making them miserable. But now, we seem to be giving them a means: All they have to do is kill themselves. That way their strongest desire is granted: They ruin the lives of the bullies they hate.</p><p>I can easily imagine some poor, miserable kid threatening to write a long litany about the abuses of the bullies and then killing herself in some horrible way - just to get the bullies to stop. But if they don't, some kid who thinks her life is worthless might just decide that she'll have the last laugh, comforted by the thought that her harassers sit in jail.</p><p>

I'm not saying that bullying shouldn't be punished. I'm saying that there shouldn't be an <i>extra</i> punishment when the bullying leads to a suicide. If there is, then our legal policy gives the victims a reason to kill themselves, which is sick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it pretty chilling that we are actually rewarding a teenager for suicide .
This is a scary precedent .
I mean , there are many teens who are bullied , and feel like they have no way to get back at the people who are making them miserable .
But now , we seem to be giving them a means : All they have to do is kill themselves .
That way their strongest desire is granted : They ruin the lives of the bullies they hate.I can easily imagine some poor , miserable kid threatening to write a long litany about the abuses of the bullies and then killing herself in some horrible way - just to get the bullies to stop .
But if they do n't , some kid who thinks her life is worthless might just decide that she 'll have the last laugh , comforted by the thought that her harassers sit in jail .
I 'm not saying that bullying should n't be punished .
I 'm saying that there should n't be an extra punishment when the bullying leads to a suicide .
If there is , then our legal policy gives the victims a reason to kill themselves , which is sick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it pretty chilling that we are actually rewarding a teenager for suicide.
This is a scary precedent.
I mean, there are many teens who are bullied, and feel like they have no way to get back at the people who are making them miserable.
But now, we seem to be giving them a means: All they have to do is kill themselves.
That way their strongest desire is granted: They ruin the lives of the bullies they hate.I can easily imagine some poor, miserable kid threatening to write a long litany about the abuses of the bullies and then killing herself in some horrible way - just to get the bullies to stop.
But if they don't, some kid who thinks her life is worthless might just decide that she'll have the last laugh, comforted by the thought that her harassers sit in jail.
I'm not saying that bullying shouldn't be punished.
I'm saying that there shouldn't be an extra punishment when the bullying leads to a suicide.
If there is, then our legal policy gives the victims a reason to kill themselves, which is sick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665974</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>JustOK</author>
	<datestamp>1269878640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the days before global instant communication<br>Such agitation<br>Was local in scope.<br>And there was the hope<br>It could all go away.<br>Now it remains and spreads<br>Increasing its threads<br>The audience is bigger<br>And that's the trigger<br>That makes them go away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the days before global instant communicationSuch agitationWas local in scope.And there was the hopeIt could all go away.Now it remains and spreadsIncreasing its threadsThe audience is biggerAnd that 's the triggerThat makes them go away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the days before global instant communicationSuch agitationWas local in scope.And there was the hopeIt could all go away.Now it remains and spreadsIncreasing its threadsThe audience is biggerAnd that's the triggerThat makes them go away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669778</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Genda</author>
	<datestamp>1269960960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You create a pervasive environment for zero tolerance to bullying. You have regular assemblies and show kids what's expected, what's allowable, and what's absolutely unacceptable. You let kids know that if they are caught persecuting one of their peers, that they are going to receive the most gruesome of punishments, and make that punishment public and humiliating. Let everyone in school know that there are avenues to deal with upsets, grievances, and frustration, and that attacking another child is not only going to make their lives unpleasant, they will in fact make themselves the social outcast. Then enforce the rules like gravity. Nobody has a problem with gravity because it's perfectly consistent. If you do that, and you screw up, you have nobody to blame but yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You create a pervasive environment for zero tolerance to bullying .
You have regular assemblies and show kids what 's expected , what 's allowable , and what 's absolutely unacceptable .
You let kids know that if they are caught persecuting one of their peers , that they are going to receive the most gruesome of punishments , and make that punishment public and humiliating .
Let everyone in school know that there are avenues to deal with upsets , grievances , and frustration , and that attacking another child is not only going to make their lives unpleasant , they will in fact make themselves the social outcast .
Then enforce the rules like gravity .
Nobody has a problem with gravity because it 's perfectly consistent .
If you do that , and you screw up , you have nobody to blame but yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You create a pervasive environment for zero tolerance to bullying.
You have regular assemblies and show kids what's expected, what's allowable, and what's absolutely unacceptable.
You let kids know that if they are caught persecuting one of their peers, that they are going to receive the most gruesome of punishments, and make that punishment public and humiliating.
Let everyone in school know that there are avenues to deal with upsets, grievances, and frustration, and that attacking another child is not only going to make their lives unpleasant, they will in fact make themselves the social outcast.
Then enforce the rules like gravity.
Nobody has a problem with gravity because it's perfectly consistent.
If you do that, and you screw up, you have nobody to blame but yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663282</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was not cyberbullying, although it may have involved it. These teenagers raped that girl, physically assaulted her in broad daylight with school teachers around and no one did anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was not cyberbullying , although it may have involved it .
These teenagers raped that girl , physically assaulted her in broad daylight with school teachers around and no one did anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was not cyberbullying, although it may have involved it.
These teenagers raped that girl, physically assaulted her in broad daylight with school teachers around and no one did anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669694</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1269960420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s.</p></div><p>I certainly felt the full fury of this one.  I actually got kicked out of a school (Del Mar Middle School in Santa Cruz county, California) for beating up a kid... after I'd been there for more than a year of being bullied including treatment like this; stuff knocked out of my hands, physically attacked, continually verbally abused, forced to live in a state of terror which led to years of depression. And he started the fight and wouldn't let me leave, I literally begged him to stop before something in me snapped and I kicked the shit out of him. Time to go to school... I'm sick, I'd rather spend the day in bed, thanks. And my body will happily cook up some physical symptoms, too. Public school is evil and even if your kid is one of the ones who fits in and is only conditioned to accept violence around him rather than actually being bullied, sending them there is still child abuse. And yes, I tell this to my friends with children who send them to public school. I might even argue that <em>allowing</em> your child to attend public school is abuse, e.g., <em>even if they want to go</em>. It teaches them to accept the mob mentality and the cost of <em>that</em> is inestimable for <em>all</em> of us.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s.I certainly felt the full fury of this one .
I actually got kicked out of a school ( Del Mar Middle School in Santa Cruz county , California ) for beating up a kid... after I 'd been there for more than a year of being bullied including treatment like this ; stuff knocked out of my hands , physically attacked , continually verbally abused , forced to live in a state of terror which led to years of depression .
And he started the fight and would n't let me leave , I literally begged him to stop before something in me snapped and I kicked the shit out of him .
Time to go to school... I 'm sick , I 'd rather spend the day in bed , thanks .
And my body will happily cook up some physical symptoms , too .
Public school is evil and even if your kid is one of the ones who fits in and is only conditioned to accept violence around him rather than actually being bullied , sending them there is still child abuse .
And yes , I tell this to my friends with children who send them to public school .
I might even argue that allowing your child to attend public school is abuse , e.g. , even if they want to go .
It teaches them to accept the mob mentality and the cost of that is inestimable for all of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s.I certainly felt the full fury of this one.
I actually got kicked out of a school (Del Mar Middle School in Santa Cruz county, California) for beating up a kid... after I'd been there for more than a year of being bullied including treatment like this; stuff knocked out of my hands, physically attacked, continually verbally abused, forced to live in a state of terror which led to years of depression.
And he started the fight and wouldn't let me leave, I literally begged him to stop before something in me snapped and I kicked the shit out of him.
Time to go to school... I'm sick, I'd rather spend the day in bed, thanks.
And my body will happily cook up some physical symptoms, too.
Public school is evil and even if your kid is one of the ones who fits in and is only conditioned to accept violence around him rather than actually being bullied, sending them there is still child abuse.
And yes, I tell this to my friends with children who send them to public school.
I might even argue that allowing your child to attend public school is abuse, e.g., even if they want to go.
It teaches them to accept the mob mentality and the cost of that is inestimable for all of us.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666138</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269880260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newsflash: It's not about you. It's about how the girl felt about it.  You might not care that your name is permanently recorded on the internet as being an Irish Slut, but apparently she did.</p><p>I don't mean this with any offense at all, really, but try thinking about other people's perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newsflash : It 's not about you .
It 's about how the girl felt about it .
You might not care that your name is permanently recorded on the internet as being an Irish Slut , but apparently she did.I do n't mean this with any offense at all , really , but try thinking about other people 's perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newsflash: It's not about you.
It's about how the girl felt about it.
You might not care that your name is permanently recorded on the internet as being an Irish Slut, but apparently she did.I don't mean this with any offense at all, really, but try thinking about other people's perspective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665768</id>
	<title>Related Charges</title>
	<author>kendr</author>
	<datestamp>1269876960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is it that bullying ending in death of a person has such minimal charges? The appropiate charges should be a minimum of manslaughter if not murder in the 2nd degree.
If this was to happen I think there would be a drop in the offences.
Also there needs to be more serious charges put in place in regards to cyber bullying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that bullying ending in death of a person has such minimal charges ?
The appropiate charges should be a minimum of manslaughter if not murder in the 2nd degree .
If this was to happen I think there would be a drop in the offences .
Also there needs to be more serious charges put in place in regards to cyber bullying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that bullying ending in death of a person has such minimal charges?
The appropiate charges should be a minimum of manslaughter if not murder in the 2nd degree.
If this was to happen I think there would be a drop in the offences.
Also there needs to be more serious charges put in place in regards to cyber bullying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663976</id>
	<title>Cyberbullying.</title>
	<author>Eggbloke</author>
	<datestamp>1269865920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(I hate that word) <br>
Obviously her friends and family have my deepest sympathies but cyberbullying is easily preventable in most mediums (ability to block and report abuse) and if not then contacting the service provider should sort things out. <br>
I don't think 'Cyberbullying' is really the problem, its 'real life' bullying which does the most harm. Normally it's easy to do things that aren't really punishable (no teacher will have a serious problem with someone knocking books out of some ones hands) or on there own don't really matter but if these things are happening over a long period of time then there is a problem. <br> <br>

I tend to find with bullies (verbal at least) a good shout of "NO YOU!" at the top of your voice tends to shut them up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( I hate that word ) Obviously her friends and family have my deepest sympathies but cyberbullying is easily preventable in most mediums ( ability to block and report abuse ) and if not then contacting the service provider should sort things out .
I do n't think 'Cyberbullying ' is really the problem , its 'real life ' bullying which does the most harm .
Normally it 's easy to do things that are n't really punishable ( no teacher will have a serious problem with someone knocking books out of some ones hands ) or on there own do n't really matter but if these things are happening over a long period of time then there is a problem .
I tend to find with bullies ( verbal at least ) a good shout of " NO YOU !
" at the top of your voice tends to shut them up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(I hate that word) 
Obviously her friends and family have my deepest sympathies but cyberbullying is easily preventable in most mediums (ability to block and report abuse) and if not then contacting the service provider should sort things out.
I don't think 'Cyberbullying' is really the problem, its 'real life' bullying which does the most harm.
Normally it's easy to do things that aren't really punishable (no teacher will have a serious problem with someone knocking books out of some ones hands) or on there own don't really matter but if these things are happening over a long period of time then there is a problem.
I tend to find with bullies (verbal at least) a good shout of "NO YOU!
" at the top of your voice tends to shut them up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665892</id>
	<title>Re:This needs to be fixed</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1269877860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The solution is easy, at least for male bullies - they just need the shit kicked out of them once or twice and they'll stop.</p><p>The girls, I don't know, females are incredibly vicious and nasty.  I'm not surprised that it was girls doing most of the bullying and that they were able to drive this poor girl to suicide.  I don't know how you'd deal with a female bully other than swift, stern, and consistent punishment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution is easy , at least for male bullies - they just need the shit kicked out of them once or twice and they 'll stop.The girls , I do n't know , females are incredibly vicious and nasty .
I 'm not surprised that it was girls doing most of the bullying and that they were able to drive this poor girl to suicide .
I do n't know how you 'd deal with a female bully other than swift , stern , and consistent punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution is easy, at least for male bullies - they just need the shit kicked out of them once or twice and they'll stop.The girls, I don't know, females are incredibly vicious and nasty.
I'm not surprised that it was girls doing most of the bullying and that they were able to drive this poor girl to suicide.
I don't know how you'd deal with a female bully other than swift, stern, and consistent punishment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663416</id>
	<title>Re:it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>VGR</author>
	<datestamp>1269862920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the article more closely, one can see that it was "statutory rape."  Personally I'm having trouble understanding how a 17-year-old can commit statutory rape against a 15-year-old.  I could have sworn such laws explicitly allow sex between any two people within two years of age.</p><p>I'm guessing that's the only charge they could muster against the male participants.  All of the charges, against both the male and female students, seem pretty weak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the article more closely , one can see that it was " statutory rape .
" Personally I 'm having trouble understanding how a 17-year-old can commit statutory rape against a 15-year-old .
I could have sworn such laws explicitly allow sex between any two people within two years of age.I 'm guessing that 's the only charge they could muster against the male participants .
All of the charges , against both the male and female students , seem pretty weak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the article more closely, one can see that it was "statutory rape.
"  Personally I'm having trouble understanding how a 17-year-old can commit statutory rape against a 15-year-old.
I could have sworn such laws explicitly allow sex between any two people within two years of age.I'm guessing that's the only charge they could muster against the male participants.
All of the charges, against both the male and female students, seem pretty weak.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31668258</id>
	<title>really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269948840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>jesus reading thru these slashdot comments by all of you people who were bullied and are now trying to equate your struggles to this poor little girl makes me want to slash my wrists</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>jesus reading thru these slashdot comments by all of you people who were bullied and are now trying to equate your struggles to this poor little girl makes me want to slash my wrists</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jesus reading thru these slashdot comments by all of you people who were bullied and are now trying to equate your struggles to this poor little girl makes me want to slash my wrists</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31672658</id>
	<title>Re:Would it be legal to do this to an adult?</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1269969840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They have started doing this in many schools.  It used to be that you would get sent to the principal and get in school or out of school suspension for "assault"; now they have police in the schools and kids get arrested for this crap and sent to jail.  Trust me that is not the right solution and we are worse off because of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have started doing this in many schools .
It used to be that you would get sent to the principal and get in school or out of school suspension for " assault " ; now they have police in the schools and kids get arrested for this crap and sent to jail .
Trust me that is not the right solution and we are worse off because of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have started doing this in many schools.
It used to be that you would get sent to the principal and get in school or out of school suspension for "assault"; now they have police in the schools and kids get arrested for this crap and sent to jail.
Trust me that is not the right solution and we are worse off because of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667760</id>
	<title>She wasn't...</title>
	<author>bluewolfcub</author>
	<datestamp>1269942000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...a Massachusetts teenager, she'd just moved over from Ireland. 2 of the charges were for statutory rape, another for threats with weapons. Not a lolol-facebook-online bullying situation as some seem to be suggesting.
<a href="http://www.independent.ie/national-news/nine-students-charged-over-suicide-of-tragic-irish-teenager-2116877.html" title="independent.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.ie/national-news/nine-students-charged-over-suicide-of-tragic-irish-teenager-2116877.html</a> [independent.ie]</htmltext>
<tokenext>...a Massachusetts teenager , she 'd just moved over from Ireland .
2 of the charges were for statutory rape , another for threats with weapons .
Not a lolol-facebook-online bullying situation as some seem to be suggesting .
http : //www.independent.ie/national-news/nine-students-charged-over-suicide-of-tragic-irish-teenager-2116877.html [ independent.ie ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...a Massachusetts teenager, she'd just moved over from Ireland.
2 of the charges were for statutory rape, another for threats with weapons.
Not a lolol-facebook-online bullying situation as some seem to be suggesting.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/nine-students-charged-over-suicide-of-tragic-irish-teenager-2116877.html [independent.ie]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31703128</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>ukyoCE</author>
	<datestamp>1270118220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That line seems to resonate with the Slashdot crowd, but I can't recall any case of it actually happening.  Columbine was misconstrued as a case of fighting back against bullies around here (including comments below), but that wasn't the motive behind Columbine at all.</p><p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/" title="slate.com">http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/</a> [slate.com]</p><p>Can you point out any specific incidents where a bullied kid turned into a mass murderer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That line seems to resonate with the Slashdot crowd , but I ca n't recall any case of it actually happening .
Columbine was misconstrued as a case of fighting back against bullies around here ( including comments below ) , but that was n't the motive behind Columbine at all.http : //www.slate.com/id/2099203/ [ slate.com ] Can you point out any specific incidents where a bullied kid turned into a mass murderer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That line seems to resonate with the Slashdot crowd, but I can't recall any case of it actually happening.
Columbine was misconstrued as a case of fighting back against bullies around here (including comments below), but that wasn't the motive behind Columbine at all.http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/ [slate.com]Can you point out any specific incidents where a bullied kid turned into a mass murderer?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664144</id>
	<title>I'm sure I'll get flamed for this....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269866760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... but having been a victim of bullying in school myself (many MANY moons ago), I say give them all the chair - get them out of the gene pool NOW, before it's too late.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but having been a victim of bullying in school myself ( many MANY moons ago ) , I say give them all the chair - get them out of the gene pool NOW , before it 's too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but having been a victim of bullying in school myself (many MANY moons ago), I say give them all the chair - get them out of the gene pool NOW, before it's too late.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666740</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269886680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> 'Irish slut'</p> </div><p>eh, whats that then, a new shampoo, sounds delightful!  Does it do the frizzies down then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'Irish slut ' eh , whats that then , a new shampoo , sounds delightful !
Does it do the frizzies down then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 'Irish slut' eh, whats that then, a new shampoo, sounds delightful!
Does it do the frizzies down then?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667260</id>
	<title>Re:I'm sure I'll get flamed for this....</title>
	<author>Tanuki64</author>
	<datestamp>1269892740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't do this. From what pool will you recruit your leaders later when you cull the offspring? Bullying is necessary for your betters to learn how to accomplish something in life. So you cannot punish it too hard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't do this .
From what pool will you recruit your leaders later when you cull the offspring ?
Bullying is necessary for your betters to learn how to accomplish something in life .
So you can not punish it too hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't do this.
From what pool will you recruit your leaders later when you cull the offspring?
Bullying is necessary for your betters to learn how to accomplish something in life.
So you cannot punish it too hard.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664972</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1269871140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>According to students, Phoebe was called 'Irish slut' and 'whore' on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring</p></div></blockquote><p>Nothing you wouldn't hear in 90\% of the marriages in the English-speaking world.</p></div>
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<tokenext>According to students , Phoebe was called 'Irish slut ' and 'whore ' on Twitter , Craigslist , Facebook and FormspringNothing you would n't hear in 90 \ % of the marriages in the English-speaking world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to students, Phoebe was called 'Irish slut' and 'whore' on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and FormspringNothing you wouldn't hear in 90\% of the marriages in the English-speaking world.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31671050</id>
	<title>truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269965220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, if you've slept with two guys within two weeks of arriving at a school, and are Irish, then being called an "Irish Slut", while rude, is not necessarily libel...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , if you 've slept with two guys within two weeks of arriving at a school , and are Irish , then being called an " Irish Slut " , while rude , is not necessarily libel.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, if you've slept with two guys within two weeks of arriving at a school, and are Irish, then being called an "Irish Slut", while rude, is not necessarily libel...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663512</id>
	<title>This needs to be fixed</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1269863280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it won't be without a comprehensive solution.  Simply kicking the bad kids out of school doesn't help, it requires the action of the parents as well, but frequently the parents have the "not my kid" or "it's not a big deal" attitude.  And once you have to get the cops involved it's gone too far.</p><p>A big part of the problem is that the rewards for being a bully are simply too great, vs. any punishment a school can hand out.</p><p>On the other hand there is a fuzzy line between mostly harmless teasing (which learning to deal with builds character) and bullying, although in this case it was clearly so far over the line that there is no question.</p><p>What we don't need is yet another zero tolerance policy.  As I stated above, there needs to be a comprehensive solution where the bad kids are held accountable in a material way, and the parents of the bad kids are likewise held responsible.  At the same time, the victims need to be to learn that the bullies just don't matter. Unfortunately, society rewards the "cool" kids and punishes the dorks.</p><p>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.</p><p>I didn't have to deal with this too much when I was in school, probably had something to do with being 6'2" / 160 in 8th grade. It seems to me that most bullies grow up to be extroverted assholes selling cars - just desserts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it wo n't be without a comprehensive solution .
Simply kicking the bad kids out of school does n't help , it requires the action of the parents as well , but frequently the parents have the " not my kid " or " it 's not a big deal " attitude .
And once you have to get the cops involved it 's gone too far.A big part of the problem is that the rewards for being a bully are simply too great , vs. any punishment a school can hand out.On the other hand there is a fuzzy line between mostly harmless teasing ( which learning to deal with builds character ) and bullying , although in this case it was clearly so far over the line that there is no question.What we do n't need is yet another zero tolerance policy .
As I stated above , there needs to be a comprehensive solution where the bad kids are held accountable in a material way , and the parents of the bad kids are likewise held responsible .
At the same time , the victims need to be to learn that the bullies just do n't matter .
Unfortunately , society rewards the " cool " kids and punishes the dorks.Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.I did n't have to deal with this too much when I was in school , probably had something to do with being 6'2 " / 160 in 8th grade .
It seems to me that most bullies grow up to be extroverted assholes selling cars - just desserts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it won't be without a comprehensive solution.
Simply kicking the bad kids out of school doesn't help, it requires the action of the parents as well, but frequently the parents have the "not my kid" or "it's not a big deal" attitude.
And once you have to get the cops involved it's gone too far.A big part of the problem is that the rewards for being a bully are simply too great, vs. any punishment a school can hand out.On the other hand there is a fuzzy line between mostly harmless teasing (which learning to deal with builds character) and bullying, although in this case it was clearly so far over the line that there is no question.What we don't need is yet another zero tolerance policy.
As I stated above, there needs to be a comprehensive solution where the bad kids are held accountable in a material way, and the parents of the bad kids are likewise held responsible.
At the same time, the victims need to be to learn that the bullies just don't matter.
Unfortunately, society rewards the "cool" kids and punishes the dorks.Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.I didn't have to deal with this too much when I was in school, probably had something to do with being 6'2" / 160 in 8th grade.
It seems to me that most bullies grow up to be extroverted assholes selling cars - just desserts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669336</id>
	<title>A message to parents of bullied kids</title>
	<author>magamiako1</author>
	<datestamp>1269958500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A) Teach your kids to fight. Flat out, if a bully gets the shit kicked out of them it's usually a good way to get them to stop, because they'll continue to get the shit kicked out of them.<br><br>B) For any of your kids that are being bullied, tell them to think of it this way: "Wouldn't it be a huge disservice to the world if these kids grow up and have children and raise them in the same way?" That's pretty much would helped me get through some of the crap I went through in HS.<br><br>Seriously, fighting back is the only way. You won't get into too much trouble by hitting some kid. Suspension? Okay, big deal. Kid stays home from school and then they get to go outside and do whatever they want. If you're a smart parent, you would realize why your kid was in the right and wouldn't punish them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) Teach your kids to fight .
Flat out , if a bully gets the shit kicked out of them it 's usually a good way to get them to stop , because they 'll continue to get the shit kicked out of them.B ) For any of your kids that are being bullied , tell them to think of it this way : " Would n't it be a huge disservice to the world if these kids grow up and have children and raise them in the same way ?
" That 's pretty much would helped me get through some of the crap I went through in HS.Seriously , fighting back is the only way .
You wo n't get into too much trouble by hitting some kid .
Suspension ? Okay , big deal .
Kid stays home from school and then they get to go outside and do whatever they want .
If you 're a smart parent , you would realize why your kid was in the right and would n't punish them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) Teach your kids to fight.
Flat out, if a bully gets the shit kicked out of them it's usually a good way to get them to stop, because they'll continue to get the shit kicked out of them.B) For any of your kids that are being bullied, tell them to think of it this way: "Wouldn't it be a huge disservice to the world if these kids grow up and have children and raise them in the same way?
" That's pretty much would helped me get through some of the crap I went through in HS.Seriously, fighting back is the only way.
You won't get into too much trouble by hitting some kid.
Suspension? Okay, big deal.
Kid stays home from school and then they get to go outside and do whatever they want.
If you're a smart parent, you would realize why your kid was in the right and wouldn't punish them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663842</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Colonel Korn</author>
	<datestamp>1269865140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s. Actually it's worse than that. The teacher/administrator just wants the problem to go away so they tend to persecute and isolate the *victim* rather than the perpetrator (Johny gets bullied by a group of 5 kids on the playground so we'll keep *Johny* inside while all the kids go out to play). This usually ostracizes the victim further by pointing him/her out as the weak odd kid.</p><p>In my experience, the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators. Children can't really be blamed. They know no better. Adults do, or should.</p></div><p>When I was in elementary school, if you got punched in the face and told a teacher, the puncher and you would both be punished, usually equally.  One would be punished for the punch, the other for "tattling."</p></div>
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<tokenext>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s .
Actually it 's worse than that .
The teacher/administrator just wants the problem to go away so they tend to persecute and isolate the * victim * rather than the perpetrator ( Johny gets bullied by a group of 5 kids on the playground so we 'll keep * Johny * inside while all the kids go out to play ) .
This usually ostracizes the victim further by pointing him/her out as the weak odd kid.In my experience , the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators .
Children ca n't really be blamed .
They know no better .
Adults do , or should.When I was in elementary school , if you got punched in the face and told a teacher , the puncher and you would both be punished , usually equally .
One would be punished for the punch , the other for " tattling .
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<sentencetext>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s.
Actually it's worse than that.
The teacher/administrator just wants the problem to go away so they tend to persecute and isolate the *victim* rather than the perpetrator (Johny gets bullied by a group of 5 kids on the playground so we'll keep *Johny* inside while all the kids go out to play).
This usually ostracizes the victim further by pointing him/her out as the weak odd kid.In my experience, the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators.
Children can't really be blamed.
They know no better.
Adults do, or should.When I was in elementary school, if you got punched in the face and told a teacher, the puncher and you would both be punished, usually equally.
One would be punished for the punch, the other for "tattling.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663920</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>severoon</author>
	<datestamp>1269865560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>If</em> kids are more jaded or somehow more ethically ambivalent than they used to be&mdash;a claim I'm a bit skeptical of&mdash;perhaps it is more to do with their previous generation's (our) general unwillingness to place judgments upon the morality of others. It's one thing to approach differences between people with an open mind; it's quite another to not be well-enough grounded philosophically to understand when basic freedoms are being infringed. While the previous generation to us was too quick to condemn just because it's different, I think we are perhaps too quick to accept for precisely the same reason. (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww" title="youtube.com">See this excellent TED talk</a> [youtube.com] for a better statement on this than I could ever give you.)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If kids are more jaded or somehow more ethically ambivalent than they used to be    a claim I 'm a bit skeptical of    perhaps it is more to do with their previous generation 's ( our ) general unwillingness to place judgments upon the morality of others .
It 's one thing to approach differences between people with an open mind ; it 's quite another to not be well-enough grounded philosophically to understand when basic freedoms are being infringed .
While the previous generation to us was too quick to condemn just because it 's different , I think we are perhaps too quick to accept for precisely the same reason .
( See this excellent TED talk [ youtube.com ] for a better statement on this than I could ever give you .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If kids are more jaded or somehow more ethically ambivalent than they used to be—a claim I'm a bit skeptical of—perhaps it is more to do with their previous generation's (our) general unwillingness to place judgments upon the morality of others.
It's one thing to approach differences between people with an open mind; it's quite another to not be well-enough grounded philosophically to understand when basic freedoms are being infringed.
While the previous generation to us was too quick to condemn just because it's different, I think we are perhaps too quick to accept for precisely the same reason.
(See this excellent TED talk [youtube.com] for a better statement on this than I could ever give you.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663866</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269865260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you claiming that external stimuli and environmental factors are not a significant contributor to mental illness?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes\_of\_mental\_disorders" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">You're wrong.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>I was a normal, well-adjusted kid who experienced a decade of bullying, parental neglect, and some truly horrifying experiences during my pre-teen to early adult years.  (Not to even mention the indifference of the public school system.)  During that time, I descended deeper and deeper into mental illness and culminated into a full-blown raging case of bipolar disorder along with a metric assload of other comorbid conditions.</p><p>Were genetics at fault?  Partly, perhaps.  Was I predisposed?  Perhaps.  Were the sum of my experiences a substantial contributing factor?  Absolutely.</p><p>Torment someone long enough, or mercilessly enough, and they're going to be prone to irrational acts - including suicide.</p><p>Suggesting that the poor girl is wholly responsible is pretty fucking heartless, if you ask me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you claiming that external stimuli and environmental factors are not a significant contributor to mental illness ?
You 're wrong .
[ wikipedia.org ] I was a normal , well-adjusted kid who experienced a decade of bullying , parental neglect , and some truly horrifying experiences during my pre-teen to early adult years .
( Not to even mention the indifference of the public school system .
) During that time , I descended deeper and deeper into mental illness and culminated into a full-blown raging case of bipolar disorder along with a metric assload of other comorbid conditions.Were genetics at fault ?
Partly , perhaps .
Was I predisposed ?
Perhaps. Were the sum of my experiences a substantial contributing factor ?
Absolutely.Torment someone long enough , or mercilessly enough , and they 're going to be prone to irrational acts - including suicide.Suggesting that the poor girl is wholly responsible is pretty fucking heartless , if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you claiming that external stimuli and environmental factors are not a significant contributor to mental illness?
You're wrong.
[wikipedia.org]I was a normal, well-adjusted kid who experienced a decade of bullying, parental neglect, and some truly horrifying experiences during my pre-teen to early adult years.
(Not to even mention the indifference of the public school system.
)  During that time, I descended deeper and deeper into mental illness and culminated into a full-blown raging case of bipolar disorder along with a metric assload of other comorbid conditions.Were genetics at fault?
Partly, perhaps.
Was I predisposed?
Perhaps.  Were the sum of my experiences a substantial contributing factor?
Absolutely.Torment someone long enough, or mercilessly enough, and they're going to be prone to irrational acts - including suicide.Suggesting that the poor girl is wholly responsible is pretty fucking heartless, if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663728</id>
	<title>Re:it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269864480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends on the state laws.  In Florida, you can have sex with a 16 or 17 year old if you are under 24, but no one can legally have sex with a 15 year old or younger.  So they could certainly be charged under Florida law.  I'm guessing MA is similar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the state laws .
In Florida , you can have sex with a 16 or 17 year old if you are under 24 , but no one can legally have sex with a 15 year old or younger .
So they could certainly be charged under Florida law .
I 'm guessing MA is similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the state laws.
In Florida, you can have sex with a 16 or 17 year old if you are under 24, but no one can legally have sex with a 15 year old or younger.
So they could certainly be charged under Florida law.
I'm guessing MA is similar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667588</id>
	<title>Re:Spineless teachers?</title>
	<author>ArsenneLupin</author>
	<datestamp>1269939840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if teachers could kick kids out of their classroom, many kids would actually enjoy it. Gee, an hour at the pub, rather than in a boring class! W00t!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if teachers could kick kids out of their classroom , many kids would actually enjoy it .
Gee , an hour at the pub , rather than in a boring class !
W00t !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if teachers could kick kids out of their classroom, many kids would actually enjoy it.
Gee, an hour at the pub, rather than in a boring class!
W00t!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663646</id>
	<title>Re:it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269864000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends on the state; some have two- or four-year exceptions, some don't, and some have exceptions that only apply when you're under 18 so 17 and 15 is OK but not 18 and 17.</p><p>In this case, barring further evidence, it's all based on the archaic misogynistic concept that the boys corrupted her with sex when she needed to be protected from herself, and that self-loathing from being impure contributed to her death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends on the state ; some have two- or four-year exceptions , some do n't , and some have exceptions that only apply when you 're under 18 so 17 and 15 is OK but not 18 and 17.In this case , barring further evidence , it 's all based on the archaic misogynistic concept that the boys corrupted her with sex when she needed to be protected from herself , and that self-loathing from being impure contributed to her death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends on the state; some have two- or four-year exceptions, some don't, and some have exceptions that only apply when you're under 18 so 17 and 15 is OK but not 18 and 17.In this case, barring further evidence, it's all based on the archaic misogynistic concept that the boys corrupted her with sex when she needed to be protected from herself, and that self-loathing from being impure contributed to her death.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664024</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269866160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Her tormentors actually posted snide comments on the dead girl's Facebook memorial page"</p><p>I wonder what their future potential employers would think of those comments...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Her tormentors actually posted snide comments on the dead girl 's Facebook memorial page " I wonder what their future potential employers would think of those comments.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Her tormentors actually posted snide comments on the dead girl's Facebook memorial page"I wonder what their future potential employers would think of those comments...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31668054</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Reservoir Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1269945900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was funny , in a B&amp;B sort of way. What, it's not PC to joke about CANCER anymore?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was funny , in a B&amp;B sort of way .
What , it 's not PC to joke about CANCER anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was funny , in a B&amp;B sort of way.
What, it's not PC to joke about CANCER anymore?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669580</id>
	<title>IRS cyberbullying?</title>
	<author>tekrat</author>
	<datestamp>1269959700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Serious Question:</p><p>Some girl kills herself because she was "bullied" and the individuals are charged with all kinds of things (including rape?)-- THEY ARE AT FAULT, NOT HER...., but, some guy was "bullied" by the IRS, and kills himself by flying his plane into their building, and he's just a loon, no charges, no investigation, HE'S AT FAULT, NOT THEM.</p><p>Why is it that we have one set of laws for some people, and another set of laws for other people?</p><p>Please tell me how these two cases are different.<br>Why are the charges different?<br>Why is the person to blame for the tragic consequenses different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Serious Question : Some girl kills herself because she was " bullied " and the individuals are charged with all kinds of things ( including rape ?
) -- THEY ARE AT FAULT , NOT HER.... , but , some guy was " bullied " by the IRS , and kills himself by flying his plane into their building , and he 's just a loon , no charges , no investigation , HE 'S AT FAULT , NOT THEM.Why is it that we have one set of laws for some people , and another set of laws for other people ? Please tell me how these two cases are different.Why are the charges different ? Why is the person to blame for the tragic consequenses different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Serious Question:Some girl kills herself because she was "bullied" and the individuals are charged with all kinds of things (including rape?
)-- THEY ARE AT FAULT, NOT HER...., but, some guy was "bullied" by the IRS, and kills himself by flying his plane into their building, and he's just a loon, no charges, no investigation, HE'S AT FAULT, NOT THEM.Why is it that we have one set of laws for some people, and another set of laws for other people?Please tell me how these two cases are different.Why are the charges different?Why is the person to blame for the tragic consequenses different?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663780</id>
	<title>It is the same tired story.</title>
	<author>kuzb</author>
	<datestamp>1269864840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't do anything when the abuse is physical and real either.  There is this prevailing notion that bullying is "normal" and just "kids being kids".  I can tell you though, some of those bullies are so vicious it's no wonder some of the victims see suicide as the only viable option.</p><p>It's time to start locking some of these little shits up.  They can either reform, or GTFO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't do anything when the abuse is physical and real either .
There is this prevailing notion that bullying is " normal " and just " kids being kids " .
I can tell you though , some of those bullies are so vicious it 's no wonder some of the victims see suicide as the only viable option.It 's time to start locking some of these little shits up .
They can either reform , or GTFO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't do anything when the abuse is physical and real either.
There is this prevailing notion that bullying is "normal" and just "kids being kids".
I can tell you though, some of those bullies are so vicious it's no wonder some of the victims see suicide as the only viable option.It's time to start locking some of these little shits up.
They can either reform, or GTFO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664116</id>
	<title>Statutory Rape = Your Rights Online?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1269866640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn! How do I do that over the internet?!? Every time I've statutory raped a girl, I've had to meet her in real life... it would be so much easier for me if I could just do it through email or text messaging!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn !
How do I do that over the internet ? ! ?
Every time I 've statutory raped a girl , I 've had to meet her in real life... it would be so much easier for me if I could just do it through email or text messaging !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn!
How do I do that over the internet?!?
Every time I've statutory raped a girl, I've had to meet her in real life... it would be so much easier for me if I could just do it through email or text messaging!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663200</id>
	<title>Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269861660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the article, you can't really pigeonhole this as a cyberbullying incident -- it seems way more accurate to call this an instance of *comprehensive* asshole behavior. I mean, when I was a kid the bullies knew how to operate the phone, but nobody called that telebullying.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, this is distressing stuff, but reading between the lines it seems awfully simplistic to try and just pass this entire affair off as being a simple result of these kids using the internets in order to torment this girl into killing herself. Really, the most disturbing thing to me in the article is the lack of remorse these girls displayed after the fact. I understand that high school is messed up, but who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page? That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the article , you ca n't really pigeonhole this as a cyberbullying incident -- it seems way more accurate to call this an instance of * comprehensive * asshole behavior .
I mean , when I was a kid the bullies knew how to operate the phone , but nobody called that telebullying.Do n't get me wrong , this is distressing stuff , but reading between the lines it seems awfully simplistic to try and just pass this entire affair off as being a simple result of these kids using the internets in order to torment this girl into killing herself .
Really , the most disturbing thing to me in the article is the lack of remorse these girls displayed after the fact .
I understand that high school is messed up , but who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page ?
That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the article, you can't really pigeonhole this as a cyberbullying incident -- it seems way more accurate to call this an instance of *comprehensive* asshole behavior.
I mean, when I was a kid the bullies knew how to operate the phone, but nobody called that telebullying.Don't get me wrong, this is distressing stuff, but reading between the lines it seems awfully simplistic to try and just pass this entire affair off as being a simple result of these kids using the internets in order to torment this girl into killing herself.
Really, the most disturbing thing to me in the article is the lack of remorse these girls displayed after the fact.
I understand that high school is messed up, but who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page?
That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663578</id>
	<title>Re:Political correctness run amok</title>
	<author>BlackSnake112</author>
	<datestamp>1269863580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These girls were not joking. Boys beat the crap out of each other. Girls are a hell of a lot meaner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These girls were not joking .
Boys beat the crap out of each other .
Girls are a hell of a lot meaner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These girls were not joking.
Boys beat the crap out of each other.
Girls are a hell of a lot meaner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663564</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try that now and you're more likely to get arrested for assault or child abuse... or shot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try that now and you 're more likely to get arrested for assault or child abuse... or shot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try that now and you're more likely to get arrested for assault or child abuse... or shot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663478</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663732</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1269864540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep.....</p><p>I remember those days.....</p><p>I was bullied once and (being the smaller and weaker kid) bit my attacker.  The principal's approach was to bring out boxing gloves and to tell us to fight it out like men.  I'm not joking......</p><p>Not to say it was all bad.  Apparently some teachers, wanting the problem to go away, started bribing one of the worst of the bullies to stay away from me.  In retrospect I don't really respect that approach either.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep.....I remember those days.....I was bullied once and ( being the smaller and weaker kid ) bit my attacker .
The principal 's approach was to bring out boxing gloves and to tell us to fight it out like men .
I 'm not joking......Not to say it was all bad .
Apparently some teachers , wanting the problem to go away , started bribing one of the worst of the bullies to stay away from me .
In retrospect I do n't really respect that approach either.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.....I remember those days.....I was bullied once and (being the smaller and weaker kid) bit my attacker.
The principal's approach was to bring out boxing gloves and to tell us to fight it out like men.
I'm not joking......Not to say it was all bad.
Apparently some teachers, wanting the problem to go away, started bribing one of the worst of the bullies to stay away from me.
In retrospect I don't really respect that approach either.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31673990</id>
	<title>Re:IRS cyberbullying?</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1269974100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about one of them was an adult and the other a child?</p><p>Children are assumed not to have as much self-control and have a greater need to be protected.  Once you are legally classified as an adult, well, you are on your own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about one of them was an adult and the other a child ? Children are assumed not to have as much self-control and have a greater need to be protected .
Once you are legally classified as an adult , well , you are on your own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about one of them was an adult and the other a child?Children are assumed not to have as much self-control and have a greater need to be protected.
Once you are legally classified as an adult, well, you are on your own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664136</id>
	<title>USPS has infected English</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1269866760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is saving 3 characters that valuable? MA is a postal designation for Massachusetts. It is not correct to refer to Massachusetts as MA. If you must abbreviate, use Mass. as even USPS used before they came up with state codes. You can still write Conn., Del. &amp;c. in a mailing address, but they don't like it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is saving 3 characters that valuable ?
MA is a postal designation for Massachusetts .
It is not correct to refer to Massachusetts as MA .
If you must abbreviate , use Mass .
as even USPS used before they came up with state codes .
You can still write Conn. , Del .
&amp;c. in a mailing address , but they do n't like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is saving 3 characters that valuable?
MA is a postal designation for Massachusetts.
It is not correct to refer to Massachusetts as MA.
If you must abbreviate, use Mass.
as even USPS used before they came up with state codes.
You can still write Conn., Del.
&amp;c. in a mailing address, but they don't like it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663588</id>
	<title>criminal charges are criminal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These charges is what is criminal</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These charges is what is criminal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These charges is what is criminal</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665994</id>
	<title>Re:Would it be legal to do this to an adult?</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1269878880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of it would be harassment, some would probably be assault.   Stalking is definitely stalking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of it would be harassment , some would probably be assault .
Stalking is definitely stalking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of it would be harassment, some would probably be assault.
Stalking is definitely stalking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664952</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666042</id>
	<title>Re:Spineless teachers?</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1269879420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You hit the nail on the head. I just moved out of teaching HS science after 5 years, due in part to that problem. <br> <br>I could toss a kid from class for being a disruptive prick, write up a discipline report, and a week later I would get it back with the vice-principal's scribble on it, "Spoke with student." That was it. Did the behavior stop? Nope. If I'd complain, I'd be asked, "Did you contact his parents?" Since the worst kids usually have the least responsive parents, the answer was usually, "No. I left a couple of messages, but they never got back to me." His response would be to tell me to keep trying. <br> <br>The lack of discipline from the administration was a twisted joke among the teachers in my school. I might have kept teaching if I could have actually done my job well. The inability to find permanent solutions for disruptive students was one of the reasons I left teaching high school. A bigger one was missing actually doing science.<br> <br>I often joked to my co-workers that we should just expel one kid per month. Take the biggest pain in the ass, and kick them out for good. Do it in an assembly, so everyone could see. That would have a bunch of kids looking over their shoulder, wondering where they stood in that line. <br> <br>But both that and my idea to have students fighting with each other put into a ring and forced to box/kickbox 3 5-minute rounds got shot down. The lack of creative discipline in HS is quite depressing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You hit the nail on the head .
I just moved out of teaching HS science after 5 years , due in part to that problem .
I could toss a kid from class for being a disruptive prick , write up a discipline report , and a week later I would get it back with the vice-principal 's scribble on it , " Spoke with student .
" That was it .
Did the behavior stop ?
Nope. If I 'd complain , I 'd be asked , " Did you contact his parents ?
" Since the worst kids usually have the least responsive parents , the answer was usually , " No .
I left a couple of messages , but they never got back to me .
" His response would be to tell me to keep trying .
The lack of discipline from the administration was a twisted joke among the teachers in my school .
I might have kept teaching if I could have actually done my job well .
The inability to find permanent solutions for disruptive students was one of the reasons I left teaching high school .
A bigger one was missing actually doing science .
I often joked to my co-workers that we should just expel one kid per month .
Take the biggest pain in the ass , and kick them out for good .
Do it in an assembly , so everyone could see .
That would have a bunch of kids looking over their shoulder , wondering where they stood in that line .
But both that and my idea to have students fighting with each other put into a ring and forced to box/kickbox 3 5-minute rounds got shot down .
The lack of creative discipline in HS is quite depressing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You hit the nail on the head.
I just moved out of teaching HS science after 5 years, due in part to that problem.
I could toss a kid from class for being a disruptive prick, write up a discipline report, and a week later I would get it back with the vice-principal's scribble on it, "Spoke with student.
" That was it.
Did the behavior stop?
Nope. If I'd complain, I'd be asked, "Did you contact his parents?
" Since the worst kids usually have the least responsive parents, the answer was usually, "No.
I left a couple of messages, but they never got back to me.
" His response would be to tell me to keep trying.
The lack of discipline from the administration was a twisted joke among the teachers in my school.
I might have kept teaching if I could have actually done my job well.
The inability to find permanent solutions for disruptive students was one of the reasons I left teaching high school.
A bigger one was missing actually doing science.
I often joked to my co-workers that we should just expel one kid per month.
Take the biggest pain in the ass, and kick them out for good.
Do it in an assembly, so everyone could see.
That would have a bunch of kids looking over their shoulder, wondering where they stood in that line.
But both that and my idea to have students fighting with each other put into a ring and forced to box/kickbox 3 5-minute rounds got shot down.
The lack of creative discipline in HS is quite depressing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663972</id>
	<title>Re:Political correctness run amok</title>
	<author>bmk67</author>
	<datestamp>1269865860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that can't take a joke?</p></div><p>Since when are assault, stalking, harassment, and vandalism jokes?</p><p>We ended up with an entire generation of "precious snowflakes" who can't "take a joke" in large part due to many generations of psychopathic assholes who think such things are funny and appropriate.  Forgive me if I don't shed a tear for the fucktards who find out that this isn't the case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that ca n't take a joke ? Since when are assault , stalking , harassment , and vandalism jokes ? We ended up with an entire generation of " precious snowflakes " who ca n't " take a joke " in large part due to many generations of psychopathic assholes who think such things are funny and appropriate .
Forgive me if I do n't shed a tear for the fucktards who find out that this is n't the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the hell did we end up with an entire generation of precious snowflakes that can't take a joke?Since when are assault, stalking, harassment, and vandalism jokes?We ended up with an entire generation of "precious snowflakes" who can't "take a joke" in large part due to many generations of psychopathic assholes who think such things are funny and appropriate.
Forgive me if I don't shed a tear for the fucktards who find out that this isn't the case.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663262</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666478</id>
	<title>Re:This needs to be fixed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269883860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.</p></div><p>Bullies often work in packs on victims much smaller than them. Some of them can actually fight. Most victims of bullying would require weapons to negate the bullies physical advantage.</p><p>In my own case, I was bullied as a young child. The school did nothing, the bus driver did nothing. Eventually my father took action, which was to tell me not to make myself a target. He forced me to acquiesce to the bullies demands. I could never have beaten them up, though, there were too many and most much bigger than me. I did eventually get bigger and learn to fight. Unfortunately by then I despised all forms of authority, was socially fucked up enough to make it extremely hard to make and keep friends. The only way I found to get treated with anything resembling respect in school was to develop enough wit (backed up with fists) to make anybody's life a living hell if they crossed me, and also some who didn't cross me. In short, I became a part of the problem, one of the bullies. I wish I had dealt with it differently, as someone who had been on the receiving end, I really have no excuse.</p><p>It took me 15 years out of school to sort out my social skills and become a decent member of society. I'm sorry for the wrong things I did but I understand why some kids take such drastic action. Some suicide, some murder, some just endure it. Perhaps if I hadn't had the advantage of growing bigger than most people my age, I might have been tempted to do those things. I don't know the answer, but we need a way for bullied kids to win and the payoff bullies get needs to be negated.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.Bullies often work in packs on victims much smaller than them .
Some of them can actually fight .
Most victims of bullying would require weapons to negate the bullies physical advantage.In my own case , I was bullied as a young child .
The school did nothing , the bus driver did nothing .
Eventually my father took action , which was to tell me not to make myself a target .
He forced me to acquiesce to the bullies demands .
I could never have beaten them up , though , there were too many and most much bigger than me .
I did eventually get bigger and learn to fight .
Unfortunately by then I despised all forms of authority , was socially fucked up enough to make it extremely hard to make and keep friends .
The only way I found to get treated with anything resembling respect in school was to develop enough wit ( backed up with fists ) to make anybody 's life a living hell if they crossed me , and also some who did n't cross me .
In short , I became a part of the problem , one of the bullies .
I wish I had dealt with it differently , as someone who had been on the receiving end , I really have no excuse.It took me 15 years out of school to sort out my social skills and become a decent member of society .
I 'm sorry for the wrong things I did but I understand why some kids take such drastic action .
Some suicide , some murder , some just endure it .
Perhaps if I had n't had the advantage of growing bigger than most people my age , I might have been tempted to do those things .
I do n't know the answer , but we need a way for bullied kids to win and the payoff bullies get needs to be negated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.Bullies often work in packs on victims much smaller than them.
Some of them can actually fight.
Most victims of bullying would require weapons to negate the bullies physical advantage.In my own case, I was bullied as a young child.
The school did nothing, the bus driver did nothing.
Eventually my father took action, which was to tell me not to make myself a target.
He forced me to acquiesce to the bullies demands.
I could never have beaten them up, though, there were too many and most much bigger than me.
I did eventually get bigger and learn to fight.
Unfortunately by then I despised all forms of authority, was socially fucked up enough to make it extremely hard to make and keep friends.
The only way I found to get treated with anything resembling respect in school was to develop enough wit (backed up with fists) to make anybody's life a living hell if they crossed me, and also some who didn't cross me.
In short, I became a part of the problem, one of the bullies.
I wish I had dealt with it differently, as someone who had been on the receiving end, I really have no excuse.It took me 15 years out of school to sort out my social skills and become a decent member of society.
I'm sorry for the wrong things I did but I understand why some kids take such drastic action.
Some suicide, some murder, some just endure it.
Perhaps if I hadn't had the advantage of growing bigger than most people my age, I might have been tempted to do those things.
I don't know the answer, but we need a way for bullied kids to win and the payoff bullies get needs to be negated.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31672620</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>mewshi\_nya</author>
	<datestamp>1269969720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in pretty much the same boat; I used to seem very well adjusted...</p><p>Then things fell apart, I found out I have no real supports in my life, and I fell.  Hard</p><p>Anyone who wants to tell me I'm inferior because I've attempted suicide can fuck right off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in pretty much the same boat ; I used to seem very well adjusted...Then things fell apart , I found out I have no real supports in my life , and I fell .
HardAnyone who wants to tell me I 'm inferior because I 've attempted suicide can fuck right off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in pretty much the same boat; I used to seem very well adjusted...Then things fell apart, I found out I have no real supports in my life, and I fell.
HardAnyone who wants to tell me I'm inferior because I've attempted suicide can fuck right off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667968</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>shnull</author>
	<datestamp>1269944760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If that's a reason to commit suicide i think everyone i know would be really very dead by now. How come these kids are so weak ? Is it because of or because of their lack of education ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If that 's a reason to commit suicide i think everyone i know would be really very dead by now .
How come these kids are so weak ?
Is it because of or because of their lack of education ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that's a reason to commit suicide i think everyone i know would be really very dead by now.
How come these kids are so weak ?
Is it because of or because of their lack of education ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667170</id>
	<title>Re:I'll Jump</title>
	<author>Max Romantschuk</author>
	<datestamp>1269891540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I used to feel horrible because back in elementary school me and a bunch of others bullied this one poor kid for 6 fucking years. Eventually I came to terms with it. I was, like most kids, a fucking retard shithead.</p></div><p>So, have you called up this person to apologize for being a fucking retard shithead?</p><p>I was bullied in school, yet none of my bullies have ever as adults apologized for their behavior. But yes, I still remember it, and yes, an apology would be a way to find real closure. The thought that my former bullies are no longer fucking retard shitheads and have given up abusing other people would be a nice thing to know.</p><p>I've gotten over it, I have good self esteem these days and I am successful. But the emotional scars are still there, somewhere beneath the surface.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to feel horrible because back in elementary school me and a bunch of others bullied this one poor kid for 6 fucking years .
Eventually I came to terms with it .
I was , like most kids , a fucking retard shithead.So , have you called up this person to apologize for being a fucking retard shithead ? I was bullied in school , yet none of my bullies have ever as adults apologized for their behavior .
But yes , I still remember it , and yes , an apology would be a way to find real closure .
The thought that my former bullies are no longer fucking retard shitheads and have given up abusing other people would be a nice thing to know.I 've gotten over it , I have good self esteem these days and I am successful .
But the emotional scars are still there , somewhere beneath the surface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to feel horrible because back in elementary school me and a bunch of others bullied this one poor kid for 6 fucking years.
Eventually I came to terms with it.
I was, like most kids, a fucking retard shithead.So, have you called up this person to apologize for being a fucking retard shithead?I was bullied in school, yet none of my bullies have ever as adults apologized for their behavior.
But yes, I still remember it, and yes, an apology would be a way to find real closure.
The thought that my former bullies are no longer fucking retard shitheads and have given up abusing other people would be a nice thing to know.I've gotten over it, I have good self esteem these days and I am successful.
But the emotional scars are still there, somewhere beneath the surface.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663638</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1269863940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Whats disturbing, is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized. Sometimes when your being bullied, simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.</p></div></blockquote><p>When I was a kid, nothing disillusioned me about authority figures more than the misguided attempts of school administrators to interfere when I was being bullied. Keep in mind that I went to great lengths to avoid being bullied (sometimes by groups of kids) and sometimes this meant breaking school rules (like going through a hole in the fence around the school during lunch when I was being chased).  The school administrators came out against me all too often.  Once one principle even brought out boxing gloves and told us we had better fight it out with gloves on.</p><p>Looking back at it, I can see where the administrators were coming from but that doesn't make them any less wrong.  I don't even really appreciate the attempts by some teachers to bribe one of the worst of the bullies with candy bars (so that he wouldn't bully me).</p><p>The further sad fact is that nobody can address bullying effectively when it happens, say, when the kid is walking home from school.  So what are you gonna do?  I did well because I had parents who were willing to discuss the matter with me and provide proper role models.  But generally they didn't go to the teachers or administrators about the problems, which was a good thing given how bad of a mess the school officials generally made of things when they got involved.</p><p>The solution here is parenting.  And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing, I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.  In reality they probably should have gotten in touch with the girl's parents proactively and discussed the situation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Whats disturbing , is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized .
Sometimes when your being bullied , simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.When I was a kid , nothing disillusioned me about authority figures more than the misguided attempts of school administrators to interfere when I was being bullied .
Keep in mind that I went to great lengths to avoid being bullied ( sometimes by groups of kids ) and sometimes this meant breaking school rules ( like going through a hole in the fence around the school during lunch when I was being chased ) .
The school administrators came out against me all too often .
Once one principle even brought out boxing gloves and told us we had better fight it out with gloves on.Looking back at it , I can see where the administrators were coming from but that does n't make them any less wrong .
I do n't even really appreciate the attempts by some teachers to bribe one of the worst of the bullies with candy bars ( so that he would n't bully me ) .The further sad fact is that nobody can address bullying effectively when it happens , say , when the kid is walking home from school .
So what are you gon na do ?
I did well because I had parents who were willing to discuss the matter with me and provide proper role models .
But generally they did n't go to the teachers or administrators about the problems , which was a good thing given how bad of a mess the school officials generally made of things when they got involved.The solution here is parenting .
And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing , I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved .
In reality they probably should have gotten in touch with the girl 's parents proactively and discussed the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats disturbing, is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized.
Sometimes when your being bullied, simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.When I was a kid, nothing disillusioned me about authority figures more than the misguided attempts of school administrators to interfere when I was being bullied.
Keep in mind that I went to great lengths to avoid being bullied (sometimes by groups of kids) and sometimes this meant breaking school rules (like going through a hole in the fence around the school during lunch when I was being chased).
The school administrators came out against me all too often.
Once one principle even brought out boxing gloves and told us we had better fight it out with gloves on.Looking back at it, I can see where the administrators were coming from but that doesn't make them any less wrong.
I don't even really appreciate the attempts by some teachers to bribe one of the worst of the bullies with candy bars (so that he wouldn't bully me).The further sad fact is that nobody can address bullying effectively when it happens, say, when the kid is walking home from school.
So what are you gonna do?
I did well because I had parents who were willing to discuss the matter with me and provide proper role models.
But generally they didn't go to the teachers or administrators about the problems, which was a good thing given how bad of a mess the school officials generally made of things when they got involved.The solution here is parenting.
And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing, I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.
In reality they probably should have gotten in touch with the girl's parents proactively and discussed the situation.
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	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1269891360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>FTA: "According to students, Phoebe was called 'Irish slut' and 'whore' on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring."</p></div></blockquote><p>

So back to what the OP said,  the problem is not Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and FormSpring. The problem is the society where these acts are not only tolerated but encouraged.<br> <br>

For $DEITIES\_SON's sake man, go watch a "Teen Sex Comedy" and actual look for the oh so subtle social commentary. Everything about western teen society is to enforce conformity, intelligence is overrated, originality is shunned and bob forbid you actually have an opinion of your own. Just being a little physically different or a foreign accent is reason enough for one to be ostracised and ridiculed.<br> <br>

This was not caused by social media, it was caused by the acceptance of this kind of enforced conformity in our society, until such a time when this changes and we as a society decide to actually start punishing the <b>people</b> (hello gun nuts<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) who enforce conformity and determine who gets accepted this kind of thing will continue to happen.<br> <br>

But this will not happen, I've just described the basis of the Old Boys Club and the American Fraternity. Perhaps we just need to accept that some people are "unavoidable casualties", yes? Schools will continue to punish and vilify the victims (the bullied) whilst ignoring or worse yet encouraging the bullies.</p></div>
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<tokenext>FTA : " According to students , Phoebe was called 'Irish slut ' and 'whore ' on Twitter , Craigslist , Facebook and Formspring .
" So back to what the OP said , the problem is not Twitter , Craigslist , Facebook and FormSpring .
The problem is the society where these acts are not only tolerated but encouraged .
For $ DEITIES \ _SON 's sake man , go watch a " Teen Sex Comedy " and actual look for the oh so subtle social commentary .
Everything about western teen society is to enforce conformity , intelligence is overrated , originality is shunned and bob forbid you actually have an opinion of your own .
Just being a little physically different or a foreign accent is reason enough for one to be ostracised and ridiculed .
This was not caused by social media , it was caused by the acceptance of this kind of enforced conformity in our society , until such a time when this changes and we as a society decide to actually start punishing the people ( hello gun nuts : ) who enforce conformity and determine who gets accepted this kind of thing will continue to happen .
But this will not happen , I 've just described the basis of the Old Boys Club and the American Fraternity .
Perhaps we just need to accept that some people are " unavoidable casualties " , yes ?
Schools will continue to punish and vilify the victims ( the bullied ) whilst ignoring or worse yet encouraging the bullies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: "According to students, Phoebe was called 'Irish slut' and 'whore' on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring.
"

So back to what the OP said,  the problem is not Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and FormSpring.
The problem is the society where these acts are not only tolerated but encouraged.
For $DEITIES\_SON's sake man, go watch a "Teen Sex Comedy" and actual look for the oh so subtle social commentary.
Everything about western teen society is to enforce conformity, intelligence is overrated, originality is shunned and bob forbid you actually have an opinion of your own.
Just being a little physically different or a foreign accent is reason enough for one to be ostracised and ridiculed.
This was not caused by social media, it was caused by the acceptance of this kind of enforced conformity in our society, until such a time when this changes and we as a society decide to actually start punishing the people (hello gun nuts :) who enforce conformity and determine who gets accepted this kind of thing will continue to happen.
But this will not happen, I've just described the basis of the Old Boys Club and the American Fraternity.
Perhaps we just need to accept that some people are "unavoidable casualties", yes?
Schools will continue to punish and vilify the victims (the bullied) whilst ignoring or worse yet encouraging the bullies.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665396</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1269874380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing, I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.</p></div><p>That's certainly a fear that keeps many victims of bullying from seeking help, and it's often well-founded, since school officials tend not to take any serious action nor watch for reprisals.</p><p>I'd argue that the solution here is definitely <i>not</i> parenting. A victim of bullying in school should not be placed in a position of having to compensate for the actions of the perpetrators any more than a crime victim out in the adult world should be. One might argue that the bullies' parents ought to be doing a better job, but realistically, they're probably bullies themselves, and their kids are acting out what they see at home.</p><p>Instead of having brain-dead zero-tolerance policies on drugs that expel perfectly good kids for having an aspirin, we ought to have zero-tolerance policies on bullying, especially (but not exclusively) when any physical violence is involved. If I punch a coworker, I'm likely to be arrested on assault charges, and I'm definitely out of a job, period, no second chances, no questions asked. If I assault a <i>child</i> -- at least in this state -- we're talking <i>felony</i> assault charges. Is it really asking too much for school bullies to be expelled from the public school system? And, for that matter, is it asking too much for the <i>parents</i> who raise these little thugs to be, at the very least, substantially fined and subject to intense scrutiny from child protective services in case the little thug in question is him- or herself the victim of child abuse and in need of help?</p><p>This shit goes on because it is not treated as the serious problem that it is. If it was met with an official response proportional to the gravity of the situation, most of it would cease to be a problem.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing , I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.That 's certainly a fear that keeps many victims of bullying from seeking help , and it 's often well-founded , since school officials tend not to take any serious action nor watch for reprisals.I 'd argue that the solution here is definitely not parenting .
A victim of bullying in school should not be placed in a position of having to compensate for the actions of the perpetrators any more than a crime victim out in the adult world should be .
One might argue that the bullies ' parents ought to be doing a better job , but realistically , they 're probably bullies themselves , and their kids are acting out what they see at home.Instead of having brain-dead zero-tolerance policies on drugs that expel perfectly good kids for having an aspirin , we ought to have zero-tolerance policies on bullying , especially ( but not exclusively ) when any physical violence is involved .
If I punch a coworker , I 'm likely to be arrested on assault charges , and I 'm definitely out of a job , period , no second chances , no questions asked .
If I assault a child -- at least in this state -- we 're talking felony assault charges .
Is it really asking too much for school bullies to be expelled from the public school system ?
And , for that matter , is it asking too much for the parents who raise these little thugs to be , at the very least , substantially fined and subject to intense scrutiny from child protective services in case the little thug in question is him- or herself the victim of child abuse and in need of help ? This shit goes on because it is not treated as the serious problem that it is .
If it was met with an official response proportional to the gravity of the situation , most of it would cease to be a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And while I find the lack of action by school officials disturbing, I wonder if they would have made things worse by getting involved.That's certainly a fear that keeps many victims of bullying from seeking help, and it's often well-founded, since school officials tend not to take any serious action nor watch for reprisals.I'd argue that the solution here is definitely not parenting.
A victim of bullying in school should not be placed in a position of having to compensate for the actions of the perpetrators any more than a crime victim out in the adult world should be.
One might argue that the bullies' parents ought to be doing a better job, but realistically, they're probably bullies themselves, and their kids are acting out what they see at home.Instead of having brain-dead zero-tolerance policies on drugs that expel perfectly good kids for having an aspirin, we ought to have zero-tolerance policies on bullying, especially (but not exclusively) when any physical violence is involved.
If I punch a coworker, I'm likely to be arrested on assault charges, and I'm definitely out of a job, period, no second chances, no questions asked.
If I assault a child -- at least in this state -- we're talking felony assault charges.
Is it really asking too much for school bullies to be expelled from the public school system?
And, for that matter, is it asking too much for the parents who raise these little thugs to be, at the very least, substantially fined and subject to intense scrutiny from child protective services in case the little thug in question is him- or herself the victim of child abuse and in need of help?This shit goes on because it is not treated as the serious problem that it is.
If it was met with an official response proportional to the gravity of the situation, most of it would cease to be a problem.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669742</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1269960780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I agree that as far as the law should be concerned, yes they are equivalent.  Cyber-bullying should be treated the same as bullying that happens anywhere else, particularly when it crosses the line into (criminal) harassment, as it certainly seems to have done in this case.  So, in a concerted campaign of harassment it shouldn't matter whether you are called an 'irish whore' verbally, written of a school bathroom wall, or online: it would fall under the same harassment laws.  The big difference is it's generally easier to track down and prove online (as you said).
</p><p>But as others have mentioned, to a teenager it certainly can be different.  Teenagers aren't rational people, in general.  Sure, the same number of people might see something written on the girls bathroom and twitter, but to a teenager it feels more significant on Twitter.  Add the fact that the kids doing the harassing may not take it as seriously because it is online (they likely think it is less serious to call someone a 'whore' on Facebook than to throw a Red Bull can at them), and you can see why cyber-bullying has a stronger focus on it than other forms of bullying.  It simply can cause greater harm with less action by the aggressor.
</p><p>As far as this story being 'Your Rights Online', I attribute that to standard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. posting methods (misread the article and write an attention-grabbing headline) and preemptively expecting that the 'cyber' part of the bullying will get the most attention in the MSM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that as far as the law should be concerned , yes they are equivalent .
Cyber-bullying should be treated the same as bullying that happens anywhere else , particularly when it crosses the line into ( criminal ) harassment , as it certainly seems to have done in this case .
So , in a concerted campaign of harassment it should n't matter whether you are called an 'irish whore ' verbally , written of a school bathroom wall , or online : it would fall under the same harassment laws .
The big difference is it 's generally easier to track down and prove online ( as you said ) .
But as others have mentioned , to a teenager it certainly can be different .
Teenagers are n't rational people , in general .
Sure , the same number of people might see something written on the girls bathroom and twitter , but to a teenager it feels more significant on Twitter .
Add the fact that the kids doing the harassing may not take it as seriously because it is online ( they likely think it is less serious to call someone a 'whore ' on Facebook than to throw a Red Bull can at them ) , and you can see why cyber-bullying has a stronger focus on it than other forms of bullying .
It simply can cause greater harm with less action by the aggressor .
As far as this story being 'Your Rights Online ' , I attribute that to standard / .
posting methods ( misread the article and write an attention-grabbing headline ) and preemptively expecting that the 'cyber ' part of the bullying will get the most attention in the MSM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that as far as the law should be concerned, yes they are equivalent.
Cyber-bullying should be treated the same as bullying that happens anywhere else, particularly when it crosses the line into (criminal) harassment, as it certainly seems to have done in this case.
So, in a concerted campaign of harassment it shouldn't matter whether you are called an 'irish whore' verbally, written of a school bathroom wall, or online: it would fall under the same harassment laws.
The big difference is it's generally easier to track down and prove online (as you said).
But as others have mentioned, to a teenager it certainly can be different.
Teenagers aren't rational people, in general.
Sure, the same number of people might see something written on the girls bathroom and twitter, but to a teenager it feels more significant on Twitter.
Add the fact that the kids doing the harassing may not take it as seriously because it is online (they likely think it is less serious to call someone a 'whore' on Facebook than to throw a Red Bull can at them), and you can see why cyber-bullying has a stronger focus on it than other forms of bullying.
It simply can cause greater harm with less action by the aggressor.
As far as this story being 'Your Rights Online', I attribute that to standard /.
posting methods (misread the article and write an attention-grabbing headline) and preemptively expecting that the 'cyber' part of the bullying will get the most attention in the MSM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663478</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>sg\_oneill</author>
	<datestamp>1269863160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does highlight something that really worries me about this case. As a kid I copped a bit of bullying myself, at least till I got big enough to fight back, but I came to the conclusion that kids are, well, shitheads, and that most hopefully grow out of it.</p><p>Whats disturbing, is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized. Sometimes when your being bullied, simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.</p><p>When I was around 25 I used to catch a public bus to work, and every morning this scruffy young kid would be on the bus being teased and taunted till I decided to intervene, picked up one of his tormentors and physically launched him off the bus then let the kid sit next to me from that point on. I told the bullies that I would hunt down and beat senselessly any kid that bullied my new little mate, and within a couple of weeks the kid stopped being bullied. I gave the kid a bit of friendship and kind of explained how to work on his goofy demeanor, and within a year he was a reasonably popular kid himself.</p><p>All it takes is someone to care about these kids. To give a damn about them. Show some genuine concern for these kids, and they'll shine. They always do</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does highlight something that really worries me about this case .
As a kid I copped a bit of bullying myself , at least till I got big enough to fight back , but I came to the conclusion that kids are , well , shitheads , and that most hopefully grow out of it.Whats disturbing , is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized .
Sometimes when your being bullied , simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.When I was around 25 I used to catch a public bus to work , and every morning this scruffy young kid would be on the bus being teased and taunted till I decided to intervene , picked up one of his tormentors and physically launched him off the bus then let the kid sit next to me from that point on .
I told the bullies that I would hunt down and beat senselessly any kid that bullied my new little mate , and within a couple of weeks the kid stopped being bullied .
I gave the kid a bit of friendship and kind of explained how to work on his goofy demeanor , and within a year he was a reasonably popular kid himself.All it takes is someone to care about these kids .
To give a damn about them .
Show some genuine concern for these kids , and they 'll shine .
They always do</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does highlight something that really worries me about this case.
As a kid I copped a bit of bullying myself, at least till I got big enough to fight back, but I came to the conclusion that kids are, well, shitheads, and that most hopefully grow out of it.Whats disturbing, is that the adults did nothing to protect this poor girl when it should have been immediately obvious she was being victimized.
Sometimes when your being bullied, simply having an older kid or adult take your side can be immensely comforting.When I was around 25 I used to catch a public bus to work, and every morning this scruffy young kid would be on the bus being teased and taunted till I decided to intervene, picked up one of his tormentors and physically launched him off the bus then let the kid sit next to me from that point on.
I told the bullies that I would hunt down and beat senselessly any kid that bullied my new little mate, and within a couple of weeks the kid stopped being bullied.
I gave the kid a bit of friendship and kind of explained how to work on his goofy demeanor, and within a year he was a reasonably popular kid himself.All it takes is someone to care about these kids.
To give a damn about them.
Show some genuine concern for these kids, and they'll shine.
They always do</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>eldepeche</author>
	<datestamp>1269868020000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you go out of your way to call the recipient of extensive physical and psychological bullying defective?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you go out of your way to call the recipient of extensive physical and psychological bullying defective ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you go out of your way to call the recipient of extensive physical and psychological bullying defective?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663294</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While "cyberbullying" helps remove any responsibility for comments,as often seen on slashdot, and as seen on the memorial page, this does appear to be a full on asshole behavior.  I do hope they throw the book at them, and at the school as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While " cyberbullying " helps remove any responsibility for comments,as often seen on slashdot , and as seen on the memorial page , this does appear to be a full on asshole behavior .
I do hope they throw the book at them , and at the school as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While "cyberbullying" helps remove any responsibility for comments,as often seen on slashdot, and as seen on the memorial page, this does appear to be a full on asshole behavior.
I do hope they throw the book at them, and at the school as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663964</id>
	<title>Alliterative Names</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269865860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... are clearly a high risk for harrassment-triggered suicides.</p><p>Parents of children with alliterative names, TAKE LEGAL ACTION NOW!  Change your childrens' names before it's too late!</p><p>Parents-to-be, be warned, BEFORE you name your child!  Take action to make alliterative names illegal, to spare you the temptation, and protect the future children of the unaware!</p><p>The War on Alliteration must be fought NOW to save our children in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... are clearly a high risk for harrassment-triggered suicides.Parents of children with alliterative names , TAKE LEGAL ACTION NOW !
Change your childrens ' names before it 's too late ! Parents-to-be , be warned , BEFORE you name your child !
Take action to make alliterative names illegal , to spare you the temptation , and protect the future children of the unaware ! The War on Alliteration must be fought NOW to save our children in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... are clearly a high risk for harrassment-triggered suicides.Parents of children with alliterative names, TAKE LEGAL ACTION NOW!
Change your childrens' names before it's too late!Parents-to-be, be warned, BEFORE you name your child!
Take action to make alliterative names illegal, to spare you the temptation, and protect the future children of the unaware!The War on Alliteration must be fought NOW to save our children in the future.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665412</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True but according to the district attorney the bulk of it was in school</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True but according to the district attorney the bulk of it was in school</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True but according to the district attorney the bulk of it was in school</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664034</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269866220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Talk it out.  They're just doing it to get a rise out of you."  The administrators and faculty can't advocate direct action for liability reasons.</p><p>What did get through to the bullies was violence returned sevenfold.  Unbridled cruelty.  Pencil graphite is hard to get out of a wound track.</p><p>When you want to be left to your own devices, being feared is often the best way to get it.  Think of it as percussive maintenance of a social nature.</p><p>Unless you straight up kill someone, everything you do up to the end of Grade 12 means dick anyway.  If you're catching shit you don't want, chances are you won't care about anyone in your graduating class after yearbook day anyway.  Be a dick, crush your opposition, work on the next step, move to greener pastures and never look back.  You are not your brother's keeper and he is not yours.</p><p>You will make plenty of friends in college.  Just make sure to remove your prejudice by then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Talk it out .
They 're just doing it to get a rise out of you .
" The administrators and faculty ca n't advocate direct action for liability reasons.What did get through to the bullies was violence returned sevenfold .
Unbridled cruelty .
Pencil graphite is hard to get out of a wound track.When you want to be left to your own devices , being feared is often the best way to get it .
Think of it as percussive maintenance of a social nature.Unless you straight up kill someone , everything you do up to the end of Grade 12 means dick anyway .
If you 're catching shit you do n't want , chances are you wo n't care about anyone in your graduating class after yearbook day anyway .
Be a dick , crush your opposition , work on the next step , move to greener pastures and never look back .
You are not your brother 's keeper and he is not yours.You will make plenty of friends in college .
Just make sure to remove your prejudice by then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Talk it out.
They're just doing it to get a rise out of you.
"  The administrators and faculty can't advocate direct action for liability reasons.What did get through to the bullies was violence returned sevenfold.
Unbridled cruelty.
Pencil graphite is hard to get out of a wound track.When you want to be left to your own devices, being feared is often the best way to get it.
Think of it as percussive maintenance of a social nature.Unless you straight up kill someone, everything you do up to the end of Grade 12 means dick anyway.
If you're catching shit you don't want, chances are you won't care about anyone in your graduating class after yearbook day anyway.
Be a dick, crush your opposition, work on the next step, move to greener pastures and never look back.
You are not your brother's keeper and he is not yours.You will make plenty of friends in college.
Just make sure to remove your prejudice by then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31671564</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269966660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a bunch of childless nerds telling people about how children are.</p><p>"and that her teachers were aware of it and did nothing"</p><p>That's the real issue here. Chuildren will bully. That behavior needs to be corrected, and instead it gets ignored.</p><p>Children are bullied.<br>The victims of bulling can not strike back physically.<br>That mean an authority must step in and stop it.</p><p>What happens is that Bullies are ignored by teachers, and kids who strike back get suspended.</p><p>A girls ego/self worth/ and value gets destroyed by bullying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a bunch of childless nerds telling people about how children are .
" and that her teachers were aware of it and did nothing " That 's the real issue here .
Chuildren will bully .
That behavior needs to be corrected , and instead it gets ignored.Children are bullied.The victims of bulling can not strike back physically.That mean an authority must step in and stop it.What happens is that Bullies are ignored by teachers , and kids who strike back get suspended.A girls ego/self worth/ and value gets destroyed by bullying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a bunch of childless nerds telling people about how children are.
"and that her teachers were aware of it and did nothing"That's the real issue here.
Chuildren will bully.
That behavior needs to be corrected, and instead it gets ignored.Children are bullied.The victims of bulling can not strike back physically.That mean an authority must step in and stop it.What happens is that Bullies are ignored by teachers, and kids who strike back get suspended.A girls ego/self worth/ and value gets destroyed by bullying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664592</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1269869040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Let's be perfectly clear here. Suicide is irrational. There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.</p></div></blockquote><p>I believe you mean "ipso facto".</p><blockquote><div><p>Let me say it again: Suicide Is Irrational. Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.</p></div></blockquote><p>High school bullying counts as "Extreme methods".  Take a human being, require them (upon pain of fines and imprisonment, or fines and imprisonment for those they love) to attend a school wherein they are teased, harassed both verbally and physically, and occasionally assaulted.  Place them under the control of authority figures who range from indifferent to hostile to the attacks on them, but who make it clear they will come down hard on the victim should she attempt to retaliate or escape.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's be perfectly clear here .
Suicide is irrational .
There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.I believe you mean " ipso facto " .Let me say it again : Suicide Is Irrational .
Without extreme methods , you simply ca n't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.High school bullying counts as " Extreme methods " .
Take a human being , require them ( upon pain of fines and imprisonment , or fines and imprisonment for those they love ) to attend a school wherein they are teased , harassed both verbally and physically , and occasionally assaulted .
Place them under the control of authority figures who range from indifferent to hostile to the attacks on them , but who make it clear they will come down hard on the victim should she attempt to retaliate or escape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's be perfectly clear here.
Suicide is irrational.
There was de facto something else wrong with this girl.I believe you mean "ipso facto".Let me say it again: Suicide Is Irrational.
Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.High school bullying counts as "Extreme methods".
Take a human being, require them (upon pain of fines and imprisonment, or fines and imprisonment for those they love) to attend a school wherein they are teased, harassed both verbally and physically, and occasionally assaulted.
Place them under the control of authority figures who range from indifferent to hostile to the attacks on them, but who make it clear they will come down hard on the victim should she attempt to retaliate or escape.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664126</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1269866700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if they perhaps learn it by the examples held up to them. They see psychopaths in business held up as examples of success and nice guys ignored, so what are they to emulate? Then they run up against zero tolerance (no mercy) rules. The politicians all talk about "getting tough", never about merciful justice. They start hearing about how they better get their grades up or be failures at life before they even get to high schools (measure up or else, sound familiar?) Perhaps the adult world needs to set a better example?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if they perhaps learn it by the examples held up to them .
They see psychopaths in business held up as examples of success and nice guys ignored , so what are they to emulate ?
Then they run up against zero tolerance ( no mercy ) rules .
The politicians all talk about " getting tough " , never about merciful justice .
They start hearing about how they better get their grades up or be failures at life before they even get to high schools ( measure up or else , sound familiar ?
) Perhaps the adult world needs to set a better example ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if they perhaps learn it by the examples held up to them.
They see psychopaths in business held up as examples of success and nice guys ignored, so what are they to emulate?
Then they run up against zero tolerance (no mercy) rules.
The politicians all talk about "getting tough", never about merciful justice.
They start hearing about how they better get their grades up or be failures at life before they even get to high schools (measure up or else, sound familiar?
) Perhaps the adult world needs to set a better example?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664122</id>
	<title>Responsibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269866700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The failure here is the lack of action by the school officials to even report what has happened, even in a "let's cover our asses" way.</p><p>I have a sister who is the principle of a school.Her method of dealing with troublesome students is to call the parents and tell them to come to the school to discuss their child's actions. This works wonders for 1 reason. It forces the parents to take time out of their schedule/work hours to deal with their child with no way to skirt around the issue.</p><p>'If you don't want to be bothered while at work and to be shown what a terrible parent you are, discipline your child.'</p><p>Make it clear that every time an incident occurs or a report is made about their child they will be called out of work to deal with it. The results are miraculous to say the least. You can even tell the victims of bullies that they should tell you when something happens so you can follow this exact procedure. Even terrible parents don't want the 'hassle' of their child interfering with their work life.</p><p>Admittedly this only works when the parents have at least a partial interest in their child. For the neighborhoods when there is no parental involvement, there's little you can do sadly, but this has always been the case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The failure here is the lack of action by the school officials to even report what has happened , even in a " let 's cover our asses " way.I have a sister who is the principle of a school.Her method of dealing with troublesome students is to call the parents and tell them to come to the school to discuss their child 's actions .
This works wonders for 1 reason .
It forces the parents to take time out of their schedule/work hours to deal with their child with no way to skirt around the issue .
'If you do n't want to be bothered while at work and to be shown what a terrible parent you are , discipline your child .
'Make it clear that every time an incident occurs or a report is made about their child they will be called out of work to deal with it .
The results are miraculous to say the least .
You can even tell the victims of bullies that they should tell you when something happens so you can follow this exact procedure .
Even terrible parents do n't want the 'hassle ' of their child interfering with their work life.Admittedly this only works when the parents have at least a partial interest in their child .
For the neighborhoods when there is no parental involvement , there 's little you can do sadly , but this has always been the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The failure here is the lack of action by the school officials to even report what has happened, even in a "let's cover our asses" way.I have a sister who is the principle of a school.Her method of dealing with troublesome students is to call the parents and tell them to come to the school to discuss their child's actions.
This works wonders for 1 reason.
It forces the parents to take time out of their schedule/work hours to deal with their child with no way to skirt around the issue.
'If you don't want to be bothered while at work and to be shown what a terrible parent you are, discipline your child.
'Make it clear that every time an incident occurs or a report is made about their child they will be called out of work to deal with it.
The results are miraculous to say the least.
You can even tell the victims of bullies that they should tell you when something happens so you can follow this exact procedure.
Even terrible parents don't want the 'hassle' of their child interfering with their work life.Admittedly this only works when the parents have at least a partial interest in their child.
For the neighborhoods when there is no parental involvement, there's little you can do sadly, but this has always been the case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669704</id>
	<title>Re:No one made her do it</title>
	<author>tekrat</author>
	<datestamp>1269960480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are responsible for their actions but inhuman assholes get off scot-free?<br>---   ---</p><p>Yes, that's called People VS. Corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are responsible for their actions but inhuman assholes get off scot-free ? --- ---Yes , that 's called People VS. Corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are responsible for their actions but inhuman assholes get off scot-free?---   ---Yes, that's called People VS. Corporations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31668028</id>
	<title>Fighting back is the only solution</title>
	<author>master\_p</author>
	<datestamp>1269945600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was bullied in school as I was an introvert guy, up until I decided I couldn't take it any more. After some serious fistfighting that resulted in bloody wounds, the bullying stopped. Unfortunately, the only solution is to fight back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was bullied in school as I was an introvert guy , up until I decided I could n't take it any more .
After some serious fistfighting that resulted in bloody wounds , the bullying stopped .
Unfortunately , the only solution is to fight back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was bullied in school as I was an introvert guy, up until I decided I couldn't take it any more.
After some serious fistfighting that resulted in bloody wounds, the bullying stopped.
Unfortunately, the only solution is to fight back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663560</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cyber bullying was part of it, as it is going to be in any contemporary case of chronic widespread personal assault by a group of organized criminals.  One thing that is has not changed is that the authorities cannot do anything if the victim does not want to press charges, and the victim is not going to press charges if they feel like they themselves are going to be persecuted.  This is especially the case in which an unpopular high school girl has had sex with popular boys.  She will be told that she was delusional, no popular boy would have sex with her.  Furthermore, since a underage rape victim is going to undergo the same humiliation common in the past with any single woman, few victims are going to come forward.  The male teen age criminal is going to be considered a hero, while the girl is going to be considered a slut.
<p>
The other unfortunate thing is that parent of so-called popular kids think that this kind of behavior is acceptable.  Equally unfortunate is that unpopular kids do not feel empowered to do something to solve the mean-kid problem, up to talking to the ones parents.  Tell them what is happening, and ask for help.  Since their is a cyber element, that is documentation.  Show it, report it.  If administration want to protect the popular kids, escalate. For instance, I recall in elementary there were a couple kids who harassed everyone, the stupid 5th grade teacher could not believe that these christians could do this.  By the end of the year it became obvious that these kids were playing her. This is almost a similar simplistic case in which adults clearly have documentation, but, clearly, the parents of the criminals refuse to do anything about it.  Parent should have access to their kids communications, and failure to monitor and stop criminal activity makes them accomplices.
</p><p>
Kids do need to figure out how to interact with peers.  However, when we as adults are victims of a crime, we do not usually solve the problems ourselves.  We call in help.  We do need to teach our kids to the same, and when there is documentation like a twitter message, to show in, and force adults to act on it.  This is not snitching, this is civilized behavior.  We see this with the current crop of right wing wackos.  A video on you tube threatening and elected official has landed someone in jail.  Kids need to learn this lesson as well, before they actual take the it to the level of physical assault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cyber bullying was part of it , as it is going to be in any contemporary case of chronic widespread personal assault by a group of organized criminals .
One thing that is has not changed is that the authorities can not do anything if the victim does not want to press charges , and the victim is not going to press charges if they feel like they themselves are going to be persecuted .
This is especially the case in which an unpopular high school girl has had sex with popular boys .
She will be told that she was delusional , no popular boy would have sex with her .
Furthermore , since a underage rape victim is going to undergo the same humiliation common in the past with any single woman , few victims are going to come forward .
The male teen age criminal is going to be considered a hero , while the girl is going to be considered a slut .
The other unfortunate thing is that parent of so-called popular kids think that this kind of behavior is acceptable .
Equally unfortunate is that unpopular kids do not feel empowered to do something to solve the mean-kid problem , up to talking to the ones parents .
Tell them what is happening , and ask for help .
Since their is a cyber element , that is documentation .
Show it , report it .
If administration want to protect the popular kids , escalate .
For instance , I recall in elementary there were a couple kids who harassed everyone , the stupid 5th grade teacher could not believe that these christians could do this .
By the end of the year it became obvious that these kids were playing her .
This is almost a similar simplistic case in which adults clearly have documentation , but , clearly , the parents of the criminals refuse to do anything about it .
Parent should have access to their kids communications , and failure to monitor and stop criminal activity makes them accomplices .
Kids do need to figure out how to interact with peers .
However , when we as adults are victims of a crime , we do not usually solve the problems ourselves .
We call in help .
We do need to teach our kids to the same , and when there is documentation like a twitter message , to show in , and force adults to act on it .
This is not snitching , this is civilized behavior .
We see this with the current crop of right wing wackos .
A video on you tube threatening and elected official has landed someone in jail .
Kids need to learn this lesson as well , before they actual take the it to the level of physical assault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cyber bullying was part of it, as it is going to be in any contemporary case of chronic widespread personal assault by a group of organized criminals.
One thing that is has not changed is that the authorities cannot do anything if the victim does not want to press charges, and the victim is not going to press charges if they feel like they themselves are going to be persecuted.
This is especially the case in which an unpopular high school girl has had sex with popular boys.
She will be told that she was delusional, no popular boy would have sex with her.
Furthermore, since a underage rape victim is going to undergo the same humiliation common in the past with any single woman, few victims are going to come forward.
The male teen age criminal is going to be considered a hero, while the girl is going to be considered a slut.
The other unfortunate thing is that parent of so-called popular kids think that this kind of behavior is acceptable.
Equally unfortunate is that unpopular kids do not feel empowered to do something to solve the mean-kid problem, up to talking to the ones parents.
Tell them what is happening, and ask for help.
Since their is a cyber element, that is documentation.
Show it, report it.
If administration want to protect the popular kids, escalate.
For instance, I recall in elementary there were a couple kids who harassed everyone, the stupid 5th grade teacher could not believe that these christians could do this.
By the end of the year it became obvious that these kids were playing her.
This is almost a similar simplistic case in which adults clearly have documentation, but, clearly, the parents of the criminals refuse to do anything about it.
Parent should have access to their kids communications, and failure to monitor and stop criminal activity makes them accomplices.
Kids do need to figure out how to interact with peers.
However, when we as adults are victims of a crime, we do not usually solve the problems ourselves.
We call in help.
We do need to teach our kids to the same, and when there is documentation like a twitter message, to show in, and force adults to act on it.
This is not snitching, this is civilized behavior.
We see this with the current crop of right wing wackos.
A video on you tube threatening and elected official has landed someone in jail.
Kids need to learn this lesson as well, before they actual take the it to the level of physical assault.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664362</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269867840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's interesting how I never would have batted an eye at a person calling another those names, but now that it caused the suicide of one, I am infuriated and want to kill those who said them. Thus why humans are not to be trusted when it comes to punishment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting how I never would have batted an eye at a person calling another those names , but now that it caused the suicide of one , I am infuriated and want to kill those who said them .
Thus why humans are not to be trusted when it comes to punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting how I never would have batted an eye at a person calling another those names, but now that it caused the suicide of one, I am infuriated and want to kill those who said them.
Thus why humans are not to be trusted when it comes to punishment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667262</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>GrumblyStuff</author>
	<datestamp>1269979200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kinda makes me wonder when the school shooting fad will hit again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kinda makes me wonder when the school shooting fad will hit again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kinda makes me wonder when the school shooting fad will hit again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663820</id>
	<title>Cyberbullying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269865020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was just reading about another suicide of a high school girl where cyberbullying was involved as well, sad what is happening in high school now a days. <a href="http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/03/alexis\_pilkington\_17\_commits\_s.php" title="truecrimereport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/03/alexis\_pilkington\_17\_commits\_s.php</a> [truecrimereport.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just reading about another suicide of a high school girl where cyberbullying was involved as well , sad what is happening in high school now a days .
http : //www.truecrimereport.com/2010/03/alexis \ _pilkington \ _17 \ _commits \ _s.php [ truecrimereport.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just reading about another suicide of a high school girl where cyberbullying was involved as well, sad what is happening in high school now a days.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/03/alexis\_pilkington\_17\_commits\_s.php [truecrimereport.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663422</id>
	<title>Re:it's more than just cyberbullying</title>
	<author>gedrin</author>
	<datestamp>1269862920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are mis-informed.  She apparently had consentual sex with a 17 and/or 18 year old while she was 15.  The charge is statutory rape.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are mis-informed .
She apparently had consentual sex with a 17 and/or 18 year old while she was 15 .
The charge is statutory rape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are mis-informed.
She apparently had consentual sex with a 17 and/or 18 year old while she was 15.
The charge is statutory rape.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663256</id>
	<title>Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269861960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s. Actually it's worse than that. The teacher/administrator just wants the problem to go away so they tend to persecute and isolate the *victim* rather than the perpetrator (Johny gets bullied by a group of 5 kids on the playground so we'll keep *Johny* inside while all the kids go out to play). This usually ostracizes the victim further by pointing him/her out as the weak odd kid.</p><p>In my experience, the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators. Children can't really be blamed. They know no better. Adults do, or should.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s .
Actually it 's worse than that .
The teacher/administrator just wants the problem to go away so they tend to persecute and isolate the * victim * rather than the perpetrator ( Johny gets bullied by a group of 5 kids on the playground so we 'll keep * Johny * inside while all the kids go out to play ) .
This usually ostracizes the victim further by pointing him/her out as the weak odd kid.In my experience , the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators .
Children ca n't really be blamed .
They know no better .
Adults do , or should .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been the teacher and administrator MO since I was in school in the 60s.
Actually it's worse than that.
The teacher/administrator just wants the problem to go away so they tend to persecute and isolate the *victim* rather than the perpetrator (Johny gets bullied by a group of 5 kids on the playground so we'll keep *Johny* inside while all the kids go out to play).
This usually ostracizes the victim further by pointing him/her out as the weak odd kid.In my experience, the most culpable individuals are spineless teachers followed by spineless administrators.
Children can't really be blamed.
They know no better.
Adults do, or should.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663500</id>
	<title>Re:Political correctness run amok</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You sir, are a <b>royal fucktard</b>. You must wear your crown of ignorance and misogyny with distinct pride.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You sir , are a royal fucktard .
You must wear your crown of ignorance and misogyny with distinct pride .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sir, are a royal fucktard.
You must wear your crown of ignorance and misogyny with distinct pride.</sentencetext>
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	<title>My thoughts and prayers are with her family.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664232</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1269867180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page?</i> <br> <br>
<a href="http://failblog.org/2010/03/27/sympathy-fail/" title="failblog.org">this guy</a> [failblog.org], for one. Yeah, I shudder at just how big a dick somebody can be online too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page ?
this guy [ failblog.org ] , for one .
Yeah , I shudder at just how big a dick somebody can be online too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page?
this guy [failblog.org], for one.
Yeah, I shudder at just how big a dick somebody can be online too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31675148</id>
	<title>Re:Spineless teachers?</title>
	<author>G00F</author>
	<datestamp>1269978660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because when kids are no longer allowed in school (read parents free baby sitting service) parents start to care.</p><p>The parents who think nothing of their kids no longer going to school, well, lost cause anyways, so why drag down the other 20-30 kids in the class because 1 or 2 cause all problems?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because when kids are no longer allowed in school ( read parents free baby sitting service ) parents start to care.The parents who think nothing of their kids no longer going to school , well , lost cause anyways , so why drag down the other 20-30 kids in the class because 1 or 2 cause all problems ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because when kids are no longer allowed in school (read parents free baby sitting service) parents start to care.The parents who think nothing of their kids no longer going to school, well, lost cause anyways, so why drag down the other 20-30 kids in the class because 1 or 2 cause all problems?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663538</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1269863400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really, the most disturbing thing to me in the article is the lack of remorse these girls displayed after the fact. I understand that high school is messed up, but who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page? That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.</p></div><p>
Kids these days are jaded as can be. I can't say that I know the cause of it, but I do know that each successive class following mine (graduated from college 2 years ago) that went through my high school was more and more jaded. I've heard a lot of folk say that it comes from an over exposure to, 'startling/shocking,' content via the internet and TV and such. I've heard a lot of folks attribute it to poor parenting. I've heard even more folks attribute it to drugs and loud music and the like.
<br> <br>
I can't say that I agree with any of that, but one thing I do notice is that younger kids these days can be heartless, cutthroat, brutal, and downright apathetic. Maybe it comes from the fact that kids have fewer venues through which to meaningfully express their feelings and frustrations? If a kid writes a harsh poem or letter at school, he gets suspended/punished for expressing himself. If a kid gets bullied, he can't fight back without all hell being raised over violence at school. As a result, maybe, a lot of kids have just learned to bottle stuff up inside, glaze themselves over with a thick shell of, "I don't give a damn," and, thus, are capable of extraordinary acts of ruthlessness.
<br> <br>
I agree with you that the lack of remorse displayed by the bullies is nauseating. I wouldn't claim that all kids are capable of such jacked up nonsense. However, I think kids may be getting more cynical, bitter, and just plain dark at younger ages these days. Then again, maybe I am just getting older.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Really , the most disturbing thing to me in the article is the lack of remorse these girls displayed after the fact .
I understand that high school is messed up , but who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page ?
That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school .
Kids these days are jaded as can be .
I ca n't say that I know the cause of it , but I do know that each successive class following mine ( graduated from college 2 years ago ) that went through my high school was more and more jaded .
I 've heard a lot of folk say that it comes from an over exposure to , 'startling/shocking, ' content via the internet and TV and such .
I 've heard a lot of folks attribute it to poor parenting .
I 've heard even more folks attribute it to drugs and loud music and the like .
I ca n't say that I agree with any of that , but one thing I do notice is that younger kids these days can be heartless , cutthroat , brutal , and downright apathetic .
Maybe it comes from the fact that kids have fewer venues through which to meaningfully express their feelings and frustrations ?
If a kid writes a harsh poem or letter at school , he gets suspended/punished for expressing himself .
If a kid gets bullied , he ca n't fight back without all hell being raised over violence at school .
As a result , maybe , a lot of kids have just learned to bottle stuff up inside , glaze themselves over with a thick shell of , " I do n't give a damn , " and , thus , are capable of extraordinary acts of ruthlessness .
I agree with you that the lack of remorse displayed by the bullies is nauseating .
I would n't claim that all kids are capable of such jacked up nonsense .
However , I think kids may be getting more cynical , bitter , and just plain dark at younger ages these days .
Then again , maybe I am just getting older .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, the most disturbing thing to me in the article is the lack of remorse these girls displayed after the fact.
I understand that high school is messed up, but who the hell makes jerk comments on a memorial page?
That seems pretty damn sociopathic even by the standards of high school.
Kids these days are jaded as can be.
I can't say that I know the cause of it, but I do know that each successive class following mine (graduated from college 2 years ago) that went through my high school was more and more jaded.
I've heard a lot of folk say that it comes from an over exposure to, 'startling/shocking,' content via the internet and TV and such.
I've heard a lot of folks attribute it to poor parenting.
I've heard even more folks attribute it to drugs and loud music and the like.
I can't say that I agree with any of that, but one thing I do notice is that younger kids these days can be heartless, cutthroat, brutal, and downright apathetic.
Maybe it comes from the fact that kids have fewer venues through which to meaningfully express their feelings and frustrations?
If a kid writes a harsh poem or letter at school, he gets suspended/punished for expressing himself.
If a kid gets bullied, he can't fight back without all hell being raised over violence at school.
As a result, maybe, a lot of kids have just learned to bottle stuff up inside, glaze themselves over with a thick shell of, "I don't give a damn," and, thus, are capable of extraordinary acts of ruthlessness.
I agree with you that the lack of remorse displayed by the bullies is nauseating.
I wouldn't claim that all kids are capable of such jacked up nonsense.
However, I think kids may be getting more cynical, bitter, and just plain dark at younger ages these days.
Then again, maybe I am just getting older.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31672462</id>
	<title>Re:I'll Jump</title>
	<author>JimFive</author>
	<datestamp>1269969180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm thinking what Phoebe did to her bullies is infinitely worse than what they did to her.</p></div><p>Are you fucking serious?  Phoebe did nothing to her bullies.  If they are punished for their actions prior to her death it is because <b>they committed those actions</b>.  If they hadn't harrassed her, they would not have guilt about her death.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Whatever she went thru really doesn't seem to be that big of a thing.. but what do I know.</p></div><p>It's pretty clear that you've never been systematically bullied -- or contemplated suicide -- but, criticizing the victim for her lack of consideration is fucking retarded.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I stood up and punched him in his face. The bullying ended that day..</p></div><p>How lucky for you.  I hate this kind of trite "it worked for me" anecdote.  For every one who had it work out, there's someone who was punished even worse.  Aside from that it isn't relevant.  How do you punch the person in the car that throws stuff at you.  How do you respond to the stuff in your email box, text messages, and voice mail.  Being bullied by one person with no social support is completely different than being bullied by a group of people who work to keep each other out of trouble.  The single bully usually gives up if you fight back, the group jumps you in the locker room, gives you a concussion, and drops you down a flight of stairs.<br> <br>--<br>JimFive</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm thinking what Phoebe did to her bullies is infinitely worse than what they did to her.Are you fucking serious ?
Phoebe did nothing to her bullies .
If they are punished for their actions prior to her death it is because they committed those actions .
If they had n't harrassed her , they would not have guilt about her death.Whatever she went thru really does n't seem to be that big of a thing.. but what do I know.It 's pretty clear that you 've never been systematically bullied -- or contemplated suicide -- but , criticizing the victim for her lack of consideration is fucking retarded.I stood up and punched him in his face .
The bullying ended that day..How lucky for you .
I hate this kind of trite " it worked for me " anecdote .
For every one who had it work out , there 's someone who was punished even worse .
Aside from that it is n't relevant .
How do you punch the person in the car that throws stuff at you .
How do you respond to the stuff in your email box , text messages , and voice mail .
Being bullied by one person with no social support is completely different than being bullied by a group of people who work to keep each other out of trouble .
The single bully usually gives up if you fight back , the group jumps you in the locker room , gives you a concussion , and drops you down a flight of stairs .
--JimFive</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking what Phoebe did to her bullies is infinitely worse than what they did to her.Are you fucking serious?
Phoebe did nothing to her bullies.
If they are punished for their actions prior to her death it is because they committed those actions.
If they hadn't harrassed her, they would not have guilt about her death.Whatever she went thru really doesn't seem to be that big of a thing.. but what do I know.It's pretty clear that you've never been systematically bullied -- or contemplated suicide -- but, criticizing the victim for her lack of consideration is fucking retarded.I stood up and punched him in his face.
The bullying ended that day..How lucky for you.
I hate this kind of trite "it worked for me" anecdote.
For every one who had it work out, there's someone who was punished even worse.
Aside from that it isn't relevant.
How do you punch the person in the car that throws stuff at you.
How do you respond to the stuff in your email box, text messages, and voice mail.
Being bullied by one person with no social support is completely different than being bullied by a group of people who work to keep each other out of trouble.
The single bully usually gives up if you fight back, the group jumps you in the locker room, gives you a concussion, and drops you down a flight of stairs.
--JimFive
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666106</id>
	<title>Amanda Brownell</title>
	<author>gawbl</author>
	<datestamp>1269880020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amanda Brownell is an ex-classmate of my kids here in San Jose, California.  In December 2008, Amanda attempted suicide at school.  I understand there were texts left on Amanda's cell phone that suggested she had been bullied.  Her family apparently had no idea this was happening.
</p><p>Today, Amanda lives in a nursing home, and is fed by a tube.  You can read her story here:
</p><p>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amandabrownell/mystory</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amanda Brownell is an ex-classmate of my kids here in San Jose , California .
In December 2008 , Amanda attempted suicide at school .
I understand there were texts left on Amanda 's cell phone that suggested she had been bullied .
Her family apparently had no idea this was happening .
Today , Amanda lives in a nursing home , and is fed by a tube .
You can read her story here : http : //www.caringbridge.org/visit/amandabrownell/mystory</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amanda Brownell is an ex-classmate of my kids here in San Jose, California.
In December 2008, Amanda attempted suicide at school.
I understand there were texts left on Amanda's cell phone that suggested she had been bullied.
Her family apparently had no idea this was happening.
Today, Amanda lives in a nursing home, and is fed by a tube.
You can read her story here:
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amandabrownell/mystory</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663610</id>
	<title>I went through this kind of shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269863760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I went through this kind of shit when I was  kid.
<p>
A couple of kids on the school bus decided they had it in for me.
It was pretty constant physical harassment, 45 minutes each way,
5 days a week.
</p><p>
I was only 11 at the time and had no ability to deal with this on any level.
I came home in tears every day.
My mom called the school; my mom called the kids' parents; nothing changed.
</p><p>
After a couple of months, I basically said I wasn't riding the bus any more.
That made it my mother's problem.
She went to my father and made it his problem.
My father went to the principal and made it the principal's problem.
I don't know what the principal did.
My guess is he called in the two kids and told them to stop it.
After that, they restricted themselves to verbal harassment,
which I could more or less deal with.
</p><p>
When one of my own kids was 10, he started reporting harassment at school.
We had a few discussions with his teachers,
but the harassment continued.
So we pulled him from the town school and sent him to a nearby charter school for the duration of Junior High. He was not harassed at the charter school.
</p><p>
In our state, the per-pupil funding for a student follows the student when they go to a charter school. So for the next 4 years, I got occasional letters from the town school extolling the quality of their faculty and curriculum, asking me to respond to surveys, and even inviting me to attend focus groups (I am not making this up) that they were conducting to try to figure out what they needed to do to hold onto students (and their per-pupil funding).
</p><p>
I always responded to these, in writing, explaining exactly why we had pulled our son. I never received any response, let alone any indication that school might actually protect my children from harassment.
</p><p>
<strong>Even when their own funding is on the line</strong>, town schools are unable(?) unwilling(?) (take your pick) to protect students from harassment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went through this kind of shit when I was kid .
A couple of kids on the school bus decided they had it in for me .
It was pretty constant physical harassment , 45 minutes each way , 5 days a week .
I was only 11 at the time and had no ability to deal with this on any level .
I came home in tears every day .
My mom called the school ; my mom called the kids ' parents ; nothing changed .
After a couple of months , I basically said I was n't riding the bus any more .
That made it my mother 's problem .
She went to my father and made it his problem .
My father went to the principal and made it the principal 's problem .
I do n't know what the principal did .
My guess is he called in the two kids and told them to stop it .
After that , they restricted themselves to verbal harassment , which I could more or less deal with .
When one of my own kids was 10 , he started reporting harassment at school .
We had a few discussions with his teachers , but the harassment continued .
So we pulled him from the town school and sent him to a nearby charter school for the duration of Junior High .
He was not harassed at the charter school .
In our state , the per-pupil funding for a student follows the student when they go to a charter school .
So for the next 4 years , I got occasional letters from the town school extolling the quality of their faculty and curriculum , asking me to respond to surveys , and even inviting me to attend focus groups ( I am not making this up ) that they were conducting to try to figure out what they needed to do to hold onto students ( and their per-pupil funding ) .
I always responded to these , in writing , explaining exactly why we had pulled our son .
I never received any response , let alone any indication that school might actually protect my children from harassment .
Even when their own funding is on the line , town schools are unable ( ?
) unwilling ( ?
) ( take your pick ) to protect students from harassment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went through this kind of shit when I was  kid.
A couple of kids on the school bus decided they had it in for me.
It was pretty constant physical harassment, 45 minutes each way,
5 days a week.
I was only 11 at the time and had no ability to deal with this on any level.
I came home in tears every day.
My mom called the school; my mom called the kids' parents; nothing changed.
After a couple of months, I basically said I wasn't riding the bus any more.
That made it my mother's problem.
She went to my father and made it his problem.
My father went to the principal and made it the principal's problem.
I don't know what the principal did.
My guess is he called in the two kids and told them to stop it.
After that, they restricted themselves to verbal harassment,
which I could more or less deal with.
When one of my own kids was 10, he started reporting harassment at school.
We had a few discussions with his teachers,
but the harassment continued.
So we pulled him from the town school and sent him to a nearby charter school for the duration of Junior High.
He was not harassed at the charter school.
In our state, the per-pupil funding for a student follows the student when they go to a charter school.
So for the next 4 years, I got occasional letters from the town school extolling the quality of their faculty and curriculum, asking me to respond to surveys, and even inviting me to attend focus groups (I am not making this up) that they were conducting to try to figure out what they needed to do to hold onto students (and their per-pupil funding).
I always responded to these, in writing, explaining exactly why we had pulled our son.
I never received any response, let alone any indication that school might actually protect my children from harassment.
Even when their own funding is on the line, town schools are unable(?
) unwilling(?
) (take your pick) to protect students from harassment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31667134</id>
	<title>Re:This needs to be fixed</title>
	<author>Max Romantschuk</author>
	<datestamp>1269891060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.</p></div><p>Speaking as someone who was bullied, this is not a realistic option. It might be doable when there's one bully, but in many cases there are ten bullies and one victim. Trying to beat the living shit out of ten people alone is more or less a suicide mission.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.Speaking as someone who was bullied , this is not a realistic option .
It might be doable when there 's one bully , but in many cases there are ten bullies and one victim .
Trying to beat the living shit out of ten people alone is more or less a suicide mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably the best current solution is teaching your kids how to beat the living shit out of a bully and to deal with the repercussions of that action.Speaking as someone who was bullied, this is not a realistic option.
It might be doable when there's one bully, but in many cases there are ten bullies and one victim.
Trying to beat the living shit out of ten people alone is more or less a suicide mission.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664026</id>
	<title>No one made her do it</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1269866220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm aware that I'll get modded down for this, but I'll say it anyways.  No one made her do it, she chose to do it on her own accord.</p><p>I had plenty of people give me crap when I was young and I was suicidal for awhile, but committing suicide is not caused by anyone else, it's caused by the person deciding that they don't feel life is worth living.  If you want to blame people who were mean to her for it, why not blame her favorite team losing a game or her boyfriend breaking up with her - or how about her political party not doing well?  Someone who is suicidal will use whatever is there to justify it and trying to blame anyone for it is incredibly stupid unless the person told someone "I'm going to kill myself" and they said / did nothing.</p><p>This is just yet another example of the sad state of the world when we rush to blame others for the actions of a depressed girl.  We now have a society of "someone else is to blame" for everything instead of acknowledging that people are responsible for their actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm aware that I 'll get modded down for this , but I 'll say it anyways .
No one made her do it , she chose to do it on her own accord.I had plenty of people give me crap when I was young and I was suicidal for awhile , but committing suicide is not caused by anyone else , it 's caused by the person deciding that they do n't feel life is worth living .
If you want to blame people who were mean to her for it , why not blame her favorite team losing a game or her boyfriend breaking up with her - or how about her political party not doing well ?
Someone who is suicidal will use whatever is there to justify it and trying to blame anyone for it is incredibly stupid unless the person told someone " I 'm going to kill myself " and they said / did nothing.This is just yet another example of the sad state of the world when we rush to blame others for the actions of a depressed girl .
We now have a society of " someone else is to blame " for everything instead of acknowledging that people are responsible for their actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm aware that I'll get modded down for this, but I'll say it anyways.
No one made her do it, she chose to do it on her own accord.I had plenty of people give me crap when I was young and I was suicidal for awhile, but committing suicide is not caused by anyone else, it's caused by the person deciding that they don't feel life is worth living.
If you want to blame people who were mean to her for it, why not blame her favorite team losing a game or her boyfriend breaking up with her - or how about her political party not doing well?
Someone who is suicidal will use whatever is there to justify it and trying to blame anyone for it is incredibly stupid unless the person told someone "I'm going to kill myself" and they said / did nothing.This is just yet another example of the sad state of the world when we rush to blame others for the actions of a depressed girl.
We now have a society of "someone else is to blame" for everything instead of acknowledging that people are responsible for their actions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663440</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to get jabbed and punched every day one year during middle school after lunch, when we all lined up to leave the cafeteria.  Teachers knew it.  Administrators knew it.  And when I finally fought back, I got sent to the principal's office and got detention for fighting.  As if I was picking fights with a group of 4 kids all of whom were twice the size of my short, skinny frame.  Like you said, this is how it's always been.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to get jabbed and punched every day one year during middle school after lunch , when we all lined up to leave the cafeteria .
Teachers knew it .
Administrators knew it .
And when I finally fought back , I got sent to the principal 's office and got detention for fighting .
As if I was picking fights with a group of 4 kids all of whom were twice the size of my short , skinny frame .
Like you said , this is how it 's always been .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to get jabbed and punched every day one year during middle school after lunch, when we all lined up to leave the cafeteria.
Teachers knew it.
Administrators knew it.
And when I finally fought back, I got sent to the principal's office and got detention for fighting.
As if I was picking fights with a group of 4 kids all of whom were twice the size of my short, skinny frame.
Like you said, this is how it's always been.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Linguistic nitpickety curiousity</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1269889980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>just desserts</p></div><p>Unless you literally meant icing and cake, it's spelled just de<em>s</em>erts.  It comes from the word `deserve' and has nothing to do with low downpour terrain nor the final course of a multicourse meal.  It's pronounced like "desserts", though, which confuses a lot of people.</p><p>&lt;/picking-of-nits&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>just dessertsUnless you literally meant icing and cake , it 's spelled just deserts .
It comes from the word ` deserve ' and has nothing to do with low downpour terrain nor the final course of a multicourse meal .
It 's pronounced like " desserts " , though , which confuses a lot of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just dessertsUnless you literally meant icing and cake, it's spelled just deserts.
It comes from the word `deserve' and has nothing to do with low downpour terrain nor the final course of a multicourse meal.
It's pronounced like "desserts", though, which confuses a lot of people.
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	<title>I'll Jump</title>
	<author>gedrin</author>
	<datestamp>1269864900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While certainly it is a tragedy that this girl has killed herself, and certainly any criminal activity related should be punished, is it really appropriate to hold others responsible for her choice to kill herself?  She was called names constantly.  People posted insults online relentlessly.  Her books were knocked from her hands.  High school seniors took advantage of her and had consenting sex with her while she was the age of consent for her state.  Most, directly, violent of all, she had a can of Red Bull thrown at her, though it might not have hit her.  Certainly, if these were observed or reported, the staff of the school had an obligation to mete out punishments and restraints.  However, is there a reasonable expectation that these, even if a regular pattern over the course of four months, lead to someone killing themselves?  Is it equally likely that, for whatever reason, this young lady simply did not have the emotional tools to manage the sort of abuse that is frequently dealt in high school?<br>Perhaps my experience as a fat, bowlegged, dork in high school has inured me to the torments of others.  Personally, I just skipped school when I didn't want to go.  Worked just fine, until I got sent to in school detention, which was conveniently isolated...so I can't really complain there either.  To me, the logical consequence of school being a place of torment is that the person just not go when it gets to be too much.  If going someplace makes you feel like killing yourself, don't go there.  Facebook make you feel like dying?  Don't click the Facebook link.<br>Do we now hold people responsible for another person's actions?  Do you want a world where your negative online comments, no matter how vile, can land you in prison because someone else does not have the emotional tools to deal with, or avoid, your vitriol...or what they PERCIEVE as vitriol?  Imagine the consequences, manipulations, and abuses that flow from this.  Is the suicide a tragedy?  Yes, but even as we are certain to punish highschoolers for their cruel behavior, let us keep in mind who chose to kill this girl.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While certainly it is a tragedy that this girl has killed herself , and certainly any criminal activity related should be punished , is it really appropriate to hold others responsible for her choice to kill herself ?
She was called names constantly .
People posted insults online relentlessly .
Her books were knocked from her hands .
High school seniors took advantage of her and had consenting sex with her while she was the age of consent for her state .
Most , directly , violent of all , she had a can of Red Bull thrown at her , though it might not have hit her .
Certainly , if these were observed or reported , the staff of the school had an obligation to mete out punishments and restraints .
However , is there a reasonable expectation that these , even if a regular pattern over the course of four months , lead to someone killing themselves ?
Is it equally likely that , for whatever reason , this young lady simply did not have the emotional tools to manage the sort of abuse that is frequently dealt in high school ? Perhaps my experience as a fat , bowlegged , dork in high school has inured me to the torments of others .
Personally , I just skipped school when I did n't want to go .
Worked just fine , until I got sent to in school detention , which was conveniently isolated...so I ca n't really complain there either .
To me , the logical consequence of school being a place of torment is that the person just not go when it gets to be too much .
If going someplace makes you feel like killing yourself , do n't go there .
Facebook make you feel like dying ?
Do n't click the Facebook link.Do we now hold people responsible for another person 's actions ?
Do you want a world where your negative online comments , no matter how vile , can land you in prison because someone else does not have the emotional tools to deal with , or avoid , your vitriol...or what they PERCIEVE as vitriol ?
Imagine the consequences , manipulations , and abuses that flow from this .
Is the suicide a tragedy ?
Yes , but even as we are certain to punish highschoolers for their cruel behavior , let us keep in mind who chose to kill this girl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While certainly it is a tragedy that this girl has killed herself, and certainly any criminal activity related should be punished, is it really appropriate to hold others responsible for her choice to kill herself?
She was called names constantly.
People posted insults online relentlessly.
Her books were knocked from her hands.
High school seniors took advantage of her and had consenting sex with her while she was the age of consent for her state.
Most, directly, violent of all, she had a can of Red Bull thrown at her, though it might not have hit her.
Certainly, if these were observed or reported, the staff of the school had an obligation to mete out punishments and restraints.
However, is there a reasonable expectation that these, even if a regular pattern over the course of four months, lead to someone killing themselves?
Is it equally likely that, for whatever reason, this young lady simply did not have the emotional tools to manage the sort of abuse that is frequently dealt in high school?Perhaps my experience as a fat, bowlegged, dork in high school has inured me to the torments of others.
Personally, I just skipped school when I didn't want to go.
Worked just fine, until I got sent to in school detention, which was conveniently isolated...so I can't really complain there either.
To me, the logical consequence of school being a place of torment is that the person just not go when it gets to be too much.
If going someplace makes you feel like killing yourself, don't go there.
Facebook make you feel like dying?
Don't click the Facebook link.Do we now hold people responsible for another person's actions?
Do you want a world where your negative online comments, no matter how vile, can land you in prison because someone else does not have the emotional tools to deal with, or avoid, your vitriol...or what they PERCIEVE as vitriol?
Imagine the consequences, manipulations, and abuses that flow from this.
Is the suicide a tragedy?
Yes, but even as we are certain to punish highschoolers for their cruel behavior, let us keep in mind who chose to kill this girl.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669512</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269959340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to defend the actions, but I know what you mean. I was a target of a group of bullies for a few years while the administration did nothing. It didn't stop until I beat the crap out of one of them with a bat in gym class.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to defend the actions , but I know what you mean .
I was a target of a group of bullies for a few years while the administration did nothing .
It did n't stop until I beat the crap out of one of them with a bat in gym class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to defend the actions, but I know what you mean.
I was a target of a group of bullies for a few years while the administration did nothing.
It didn't stop until I beat the crap out of one of them with a bat in gym class.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663888</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1269865380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let me say it again: <b>Suicide Is Irrational</b>. Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.</p></div><p>I ask this honestly, not to flame or troll, but seriously. Were you bullied in school? Like, serious, concerted bullying efforts? Because let me tell you, that qualifies. It's a systematic alienation of a human being, and destruction of their self-image. It's the causing of a mentally healthy person to become unhealthy. When I was in school, I actually saw some of my friends wither and change due to bullying. They were absolutely not the same people they were at the end of the school year as at the start. In fact, one of my friends who ended up dead (not suicide, but a lifestyle next best thing to it) probably could have traced his problems back to bullying. Unfortunately, his biggest bully was his stepfather, making it not a directly analogous case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me say it again : Suicide Is Irrational .
Without extreme methods , you simply ca n't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.I ask this honestly , not to flame or troll , but seriously .
Were you bullied in school ?
Like , serious , concerted bullying efforts ?
Because let me tell you , that qualifies .
It 's a systematic alienation of a human being , and destruction of their self-image .
It 's the causing of a mentally healthy person to become unhealthy .
When I was in school , I actually saw some of my friends wither and change due to bullying .
They were absolutely not the same people they were at the end of the school year as at the start .
In fact , one of my friends who ended up dead ( not suicide , but a lifestyle next best thing to it ) probably could have traced his problems back to bullying .
Unfortunately , his biggest bully was his stepfather , making it not a directly analogous case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me say it again: Suicide Is Irrational.
Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.I ask this honestly, not to flame or troll, but seriously.
Were you bullied in school?
Like, serious, concerted bullying efforts?
Because let me tell you, that qualifies.
It's a systematic alienation of a human being, and destruction of their self-image.
It's the causing of a mentally healthy person to become unhealthy.
When I was in school, I actually saw some of my friends wither and change due to bullying.
They were absolutely not the same people they were at the end of the school year as at the start.
In fact, one of my friends who ended up dead (not suicide, but a lifestyle next best thing to it) probably could have traced his problems back to bullying.
Unfortunately, his biggest bully was his stepfather, making it not a directly analogous case.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666436</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>linzeal</author>
	<datestamp>1269883500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its the same reason why most people support the police even if they are blatantly sadistic; because,  " If someone is being beaten up by cops they must of done something stupid/wrong/criminal " .  We have had police here in PDX kill 6 people with mental illness this year.  One of them was shot 10 times in the back with an assault rifle, no charges but the grand jury admonished him and the department anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its the same reason why most people support the police even if they are blatantly sadistic ; because , " If someone is being beaten up by cops they must of done something stupid/wrong/criminal " .
We have had police here in PDX kill 6 people with mental illness this year .
One of them was shot 10 times in the back with an assault rifle , no charges but the grand jury admonished him and the department anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its the same reason why most people support the police even if they are blatantly sadistic; because,  " If someone is being beaten up by cops they must of done something stupid/wrong/criminal " .
We have had police here in PDX kill 6 people with mental illness this year.
One of them was shot 10 times in the back with an assault rifle, no charges but the grand jury admonished him and the department anyways.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663658</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>TheDarkMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1269864120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some victims, seeing that nobody will bother to help them, take up weapons and go to school to kill as many as possible (the source of their suffering) until being killed by the police or committing suicide. It would be so easy to avoid this by exemplary punish the bullies, but I see that the culture of schools is to encourage the bullies<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
<br> <br>
How many victims will be necessary before a bullie be punished for harming someone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some victims , seeing that nobody will bother to help them , take up weapons and go to school to kill as many as possible ( the source of their suffering ) until being killed by the police or committing suicide .
It would be so easy to avoid this by exemplary punish the bullies , but I see that the culture of schools is to encourage the bullies .. . How many victims will be necessary before a bullie be punished for harming someone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some victims, seeing that nobody will bother to help them, take up weapons and go to school to kill as many as possible (the source of their suffering) until being killed by the police or committing suicide.
It would be so easy to avoid this by exemplary punish the bullies, but I see that the culture of schools is to encourage the bullies ...
 
How many victims will be necessary before a bullie be punished for harming someone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665732</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>nog\_lorp</author>
	<datestamp>1269876720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are viewing this in a much more practical way than a teenage girl or boy does.</p><p>If I read online that some girl is an "Irish whore", I'm going to jump thoughts of hot redheads with loose morals - a complement!</p><p>In reality, no one cares what someone says on the internet. But to a teen being bullied it is the difference between being beaten up in an alley<br>and being picked on in the high school quad in front of a jeering crowd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are viewing this in a much more practical way than a teenage girl or boy does.If I read online that some girl is an " Irish whore " , I 'm going to jump thoughts of hot redheads with loose morals - a complement ! In reality , no one cares what someone says on the internet .
But to a teen being bullied it is the difference between being beaten up in an alleyand being picked on in the high school quad in front of a jeering crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are viewing this in a much more practical way than a teenage girl or boy does.If I read online that some girl is an "Irish whore", I'm going to jump thoughts of hot redheads with loose morals - a complement!In reality, no one cares what someone says on the internet.
But to a teen being bullied it is the difference between being beaten up in an alleyand being picked on in the high school quad in front of a jeering crowd.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663180</id>
	<title>Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269861540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has nothing to do with Facebook, Flicker, FourSquare, Twitter, or any other Web 2.0 website. This happened at school, during school hours, and with the school having knowledge that that something was going on. This is a first round of charges, there could be more including some of the adults who could have taken action. Dating a senior football player and being the "new girl" led to her being teased and hated... leading to violence, leading to a situation where she saw no way out. This should have been cut off with detentions and suspensions long before it got this far.</p><p>I'm pretty sure the lawyers in this case are going to pull all the Web 2.0 content created by the students involved. If they go down this path and find something that can be treated as a confession, then it's "News for nerds." or "Stuff that matters." Until we see that, it's more like the 6pm news here in the Boston area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has nothing to do with Facebook , Flicker , FourSquare , Twitter , or any other Web 2.0 website .
This happened at school , during school hours , and with the school having knowledge that that something was going on .
This is a first round of charges , there could be more including some of the adults who could have taken action .
Dating a senior football player and being the " new girl " led to her being teased and hated... leading to violence , leading to a situation where she saw no way out .
This should have been cut off with detentions and suspensions long before it got this far.I 'm pretty sure the lawyers in this case are going to pull all the Web 2.0 content created by the students involved .
If they go down this path and find something that can be treated as a confession , then it 's " News for nerds .
" or " Stuff that matters .
" Until we see that , it 's more like the 6pm news here in the Boston area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has nothing to do with Facebook, Flicker, FourSquare, Twitter, or any other Web 2.0 website.
This happened at school, during school hours, and with the school having knowledge that that something was going on.
This is a first round of charges, there could be more including some of the adults who could have taken action.
Dating a senior football player and being the "new girl" led to her being teased and hated... leading to violence, leading to a situation where she saw no way out.
This should have been cut off with detentions and suspensions long before it got this far.I'm pretty sure the lawyers in this case are going to pull all the Web 2.0 content created by the students involved.
If they go down this path and find something that can be treated as a confession, then it's "News for nerds.
" or "Stuff that matters.
" Until we see that, it's more like the 6pm news here in the Boston area.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31680390</id>
	<title>Re:Your rights OFFLINE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269955920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The parent was commenting on the name calling. Did you miss something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The parent was commenting on the name calling .
Did you miss something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The parent was commenting on the name calling.
Did you miss something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31669286</id>
	<title>churls beget churls</title>
	<author>ncmathsadist</author>
	<datestamp>1269958260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure the parents of these predators have been repeatedly informed of their kids' outrageous behavior. The likely reaction: they abetted it.  Now laugh as they cut huge checks to lawyers to defend felony raps.  Sometimes, the karma wagon makes a delivery at a correct address.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the parents of these predators have been repeatedly informed of their kids ' outrageous behavior .
The likely reaction : they abetted it .
Now laugh as they cut huge checks to lawyers to defend felony raps .
Sometimes , the karma wagon makes a delivery at a correct address .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the parents of these predators have been repeatedly informed of their kids' outrageous behavior.
The likely reaction: they abetted it.
Now laugh as they cut huge checks to lawyers to defend felony raps.
Sometimes, the karma wagon makes a delivery at a correct address.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664204</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1269867060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being physically and verbally assaulted daily for long periods of time tends to damage mental health, especially when the authority figures you're supposed to look up to and count on consistently look the other way. Ever heard of PTSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being physically and verbally assaulted daily for long periods of time tends to damage mental health , especially when the authority figures you 're supposed to look up to and count on consistently look the other way .
Ever heard of PTSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being physically and verbally assaulted daily for long periods of time tends to damage mental health, especially when the authority figures you're supposed to look up to and count on consistently look the other way.
Ever heard of PTSD?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664500</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>sl149q</author>
	<datestamp>1269868620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rule at law (at least in most common law based systems) is that you "take your victim as you find him".</p><p>The typically cited case is an assault victim with a "thin skull". The defense stating that the blow would not have injured a normal person. Even though the defendant had no reason to believe that his assault would cause injury he is still guilty as he did indeed cause injury with an intentional act.</p><p>So even if your actions would NOT cause a normal person to commit suicide, that may not be an adequate defense if someone pre-disposed to suicide does so after you bully them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rule at law ( at least in most common law based systems ) is that you " take your victim as you find him " .The typically cited case is an assault victim with a " thin skull " .
The defense stating that the blow would not have injured a normal person .
Even though the defendant had no reason to believe that his assault would cause injury he is still guilty as he did indeed cause injury with an intentional act.So even if your actions would NOT cause a normal person to commit suicide , that may not be an adequate defense if someone pre-disposed to suicide does so after you bully them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rule at law (at least in most common law based systems) is that you "take your victim as you find him".The typically cited case is an assault victim with a "thin skull".
The defense stating that the blow would not have injured a normal person.
Even though the defendant had no reason to believe that his assault would cause injury he is still guilty as he did indeed cause injury with an intentional act.So even if your actions would NOT cause a normal person to commit suicide, that may not be an adequate defense if someone pre-disposed to suicide does so after you bully them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665834</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269877440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let me say it again: <b>Suicide Is Irrational</b>. Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.</p></div><p>Let me guess, <b>YOU</b> were the school bully.</p><p>And you bullied anyone who didn't share your view of the world.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me say it again : Suicide Is Irrational .
Without extreme methods , you simply ca n't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.Let me guess , YOU were the school bully.And you bullied anyone who did n't share your view of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me say it again: Suicide Is Irrational.
Without extreme methods, you simply can't drive a mentally healthy person to suicide.Let me guess, YOU were the school bully.And you bullied anyone who didn't share your view of the world.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663974</id>
	<title>Re:Cyberbullies?</title>
	<author>coolgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269865920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Going by the charges filed, I think this is more of a case of "doing it online doesn't give you a free pass".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going by the charges filed , I think this is more of a case of " doing it online does n't give you a free pass " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going by the charges filed, I think this is more of a case of "doing it online doesn't give you a free pass".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31668666</id>
	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>warGod3</author>
	<datestamp>1269953880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So in the physical world, especially in the past, if you were bullied, you either sucked it up, went to the gym and worked out and sought revenge, or got an upperclassmen or sibling to wreak some havoc on someone. How do kids do this in the virtual world? Hack accounts and seek revenge?</p><p>This stuff has moved from physical bullying to virtual bullying. Here is what I learned from the article or had reinforced:<br>* Teenagers suck.<br>* Teenagers suck at coping with problems.<br>* Teenagers suck at accepting change.<br>* If you are teenager, know the laws regarding statutory rape because if you piss off someone, then their parents can press charges.<br>* The belief that things will change if left alone is fantasy.<br>* That examples like this happen all the time, now a bunch of kids have to cope with the fact that they treated someone like shit and she killed herself because of it. That's something that is probably going to stick with them years from now.<br>* Teenagers suck.<br>* Teenagers should probably be locked up at home until after high school.<br>* Sometimes serving as an example sucks, but who knows what else it has prevented.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So in the physical world , especially in the past , if you were bullied , you either sucked it up , went to the gym and worked out and sought revenge , or got an upperclassmen or sibling to wreak some havoc on someone .
How do kids do this in the virtual world ?
Hack accounts and seek revenge ? This stuff has moved from physical bullying to virtual bullying .
Here is what I learned from the article or had reinforced : * Teenagers suck .
* Teenagers suck at coping with problems .
* Teenagers suck at accepting change .
* If you are teenager , know the laws regarding statutory rape because if you piss off someone , then their parents can press charges .
* The belief that things will change if left alone is fantasy .
* That examples like this happen all the time , now a bunch of kids have to cope with the fact that they treated someone like shit and she killed herself because of it .
That 's something that is probably going to stick with them years from now .
* Teenagers suck .
* Teenagers should probably be locked up at home until after high school .
* Sometimes serving as an example sucks , but who knows what else it has prevented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So in the physical world, especially in the past, if you were bullied, you either sucked it up, went to the gym and worked out and sought revenge, or got an upperclassmen or sibling to wreak some havoc on someone.
How do kids do this in the virtual world?
Hack accounts and seek revenge?This stuff has moved from physical bullying to virtual bullying.
Here is what I learned from the article or had reinforced:* Teenagers suck.
* Teenagers suck at coping with problems.
* Teenagers suck at accepting change.
* If you are teenager, know the laws regarding statutory rape because if you piss off someone, then their parents can press charges.
* The belief that things will change if left alone is fantasy.
* That examples like this happen all the time, now a bunch of kids have to cope with the fact that they treated someone like shit and she killed herself because of it.
That's something that is probably going to stick with them years from now.
* Teenagers suck.
* Teenagers should probably be locked up at home until after high school.
* Sometimes serving as an example sucks, but who knows what else it has prevented.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664030</id>
	<title>Spineless teachers?</title>
	<author>G00F</author>
	<datestamp>1269866220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like spineless principal and above.  Teachers can't even get a student kicked out of school let alone their classroom when the student HITS them.  Parents are allowed to disrupt their classes and yell at the teachers.  Teachers are not even allowed to fail students anymore, let alone kick them out.</p><p>Blame the no child is left behind and the principals on up in the chain, not the teachers.  They may act like they have no spine, because they can't do anything. Granted they should say something, but teachers learn just saying things is worse when they can never back it up, because their "power" is imaginary, and once that illusion is gone, teachers have nothing.</p><p>You want teachers to have some responsibility? make it so they can kick kids out of their classroom and school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like spineless principal and above .
Teachers ca n't even get a student kicked out of school let alone their classroom when the student HITS them .
Parents are allowed to disrupt their classes and yell at the teachers .
Teachers are not even allowed to fail students anymore , let alone kick them out.Blame the no child is left behind and the principals on up in the chain , not the teachers .
They may act like they have no spine , because they ca n't do anything .
Granted they should say something , but teachers learn just saying things is worse when they can never back it up , because their " power " is imaginary , and once that illusion is gone , teachers have nothing.You want teachers to have some responsibility ?
make it so they can kick kids out of their classroom and school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like spineless principal and above.
Teachers can't even get a student kicked out of school let alone their classroom when the student HITS them.
Parents are allowed to disrupt their classes and yell at the teachers.
Teachers are not even allowed to fail students anymore, let alone kick them out.Blame the no child is left behind and the principals on up in the chain, not the teachers.
They may act like they have no spine, because they can't do anything.
Granted they should say something, but teachers learn just saying things is worse when they can never back it up, because their "power" is imaginary, and once that illusion is gone, teachers have nothing.You want teachers to have some responsibility?
make it so they can kick kids out of their classroom and school.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664918</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>brantondaveperson</author>
	<datestamp>1269870840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is years of bullying by multiple people both in school and outside of school, not 'extreme methods' ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is years of bullying by multiple people both in school and outside of school , not 'extreme methods ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is years of bullying by multiple people both in school and outside of school, not 'extreme methods' ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31668598</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269953100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll bite - I was bullied in school, and the thought of suicide never crossed my mind.  I did consider murder, though.  Perhaps murder is too strong a word.  I put a slit in the vinyl cover of my Trapper Keeper and slid in a long knife with the handle removed and replaced with a wrap of duct tape - the whole thing was about 8" long, very thin, and fit inside the cover nicely, invisibly.  I said to myself that if those three kids (they were in the 11th grade, I the 8th) ever cornered me on the way home from school I would wait until they crowded me, and simply slide the knife out and drive it into the stomach of whoever was closest.  I practiced it at home in my room for literally hours.  Slide it out, drive it in.  Easy.  Would 5 or 6 inches of knife blade have killed someone?  Maybe.  Why didn't it happen?  Because for some reason they moved on to torment someone else.  It is essentially pure and random chance that lead me to not killing somone, and that thought is a little chilling.  But as I started out saying, bullying, even something like daily bullying for more than a year, with some real physical injuries to show for it, and I never thought of killing myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bite - I was bullied in school , and the thought of suicide never crossed my mind .
I did consider murder , though .
Perhaps murder is too strong a word .
I put a slit in the vinyl cover of my Trapper Keeper and slid in a long knife with the handle removed and replaced with a wrap of duct tape - the whole thing was about 8 " long , very thin , and fit inside the cover nicely , invisibly .
I said to myself that if those three kids ( they were in the 11th grade , I the 8th ) ever cornered me on the way home from school I would wait until they crowded me , and simply slide the knife out and drive it into the stomach of whoever was closest .
I practiced it at home in my room for literally hours .
Slide it out , drive it in .
Easy. Would 5 or 6 inches of knife blade have killed someone ?
Maybe. Why did n't it happen ?
Because for some reason they moved on to torment someone else .
It is essentially pure and random chance that lead me to not killing somone , and that thought is a little chilling .
But as I started out saying , bullying , even something like daily bullying for more than a year , with some real physical injuries to show for it , and I never thought of killing myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bite - I was bullied in school, and the thought of suicide never crossed my mind.
I did consider murder, though.
Perhaps murder is too strong a word.
I put a slit in the vinyl cover of my Trapper Keeper and slid in a long knife with the handle removed and replaced with a wrap of duct tape - the whole thing was about 8" long, very thin, and fit inside the cover nicely, invisibly.
I said to myself that if those three kids (they were in the 11th grade, I the 8th) ever cornered me on the way home from school I would wait until they crowded me, and simply slide the knife out and drive it into the stomach of whoever was closest.
I practiced it at home in my room for literally hours.
Slide it out, drive it in.
Easy.  Would 5 or 6 inches of knife blade have killed someone?
Maybe.  Why didn't it happen?
Because for some reason they moved on to torment someone else.
It is essentially pure and random chance that lead me to not killing somone, and that thought is a little chilling.
But as I started out saying, bullying, even something like daily bullying for more than a year, with some real physical injuries to show for it, and I never thought of killing myself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31666948</id>
	<title>Internets ... serious business</title>
	<author>GNUALMAFUERTE</author>
	<datestamp>1269888660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People need to get this concept through their thick skulls:</p><p>Being offended is healthy, normal, and a positive feeling.</p><p>Many things will offend you. Deal with it.</p><p>The second thing they need to understand is:</p><p>The internet is a free place. ANYTHING GOES. There are NO crimes on the internet. If the actions on the internet extend to real life actions, then punish those actions, but you can't control the internet. Example: If some guy sends the blueprints for a bomb over the internet to another guy, and this second guy builds the bomb and deploys it, the crime is setting up a fucking bomb, not sending the blueprints over the web.</p><p>Every single other aspect of life is already controlled by some TLA agency. What I do in my own house is my own business. What I say can't be censored. What I do on the internet can't be controlled, censored or restricted in any way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People need to get this concept through their thick skulls : Being offended is healthy , normal , and a positive feeling.Many things will offend you .
Deal with it.The second thing they need to understand is : The internet is a free place .
ANYTHING GOES .
There are NO crimes on the internet .
If the actions on the internet extend to real life actions , then punish those actions , but you ca n't control the internet .
Example : If some guy sends the blueprints for a bomb over the internet to another guy , and this second guy builds the bomb and deploys it , the crime is setting up a fucking bomb , not sending the blueprints over the web.Every single other aspect of life is already controlled by some TLA agency .
What I do in my own house is my own business .
What I say ca n't be censored .
What I do on the internet ca n't be controlled , censored or restricted in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People need to get this concept through their thick skulls:Being offended is healthy, normal, and a positive feeling.Many things will offend you.
Deal with it.The second thing they need to understand is:The internet is a free place.
ANYTHING GOES.
There are NO crimes on the internet.
If the actions on the internet extend to real life actions, then punish those actions, but you can't control the internet.
Example: If some guy sends the blueprints for a bomb over the internet to another guy, and this second guy builds the bomb and deploys it, the crime is setting up a fucking bomb, not sending the blueprints over the web.Every single other aspect of life is already controlled by some TLA agency.
What I do in my own house is my own business.
What I say can't be censored.
What I do on the internet can't be controlled, censored or restricted in any way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31663672</id>
	<title>What did we learn here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269864240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/wrists = legitimate method of revenge</p><p>Good job, that's exactly what we want to teach the kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/wrists = legitimate method of revengeGood job , that 's exactly what we want to teach the kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/wrists = legitimate method of revengeGood job, that's exactly what we want to teach the kids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31664836</id>
	<title>Re:Her teachers were aware of it and did nothing..</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1269870420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spineless... or criminally negligent. And yeah, there can be a difference.</p><p>This incident reminds me of the "bullying problem" that plagues Japanese schools (their media doesn't report on it anymore, which is unsurprising as they're the Asian equivalent of UK news sans BBC). The similarity is mainly that a bunch of kids team up to make life miserable for their target, and school officials are either clueless or don't lift a damn finger to stop them-- in the worst cases, the bullies essentially run the schoolyard because the faculty is hogtied by their parents from actually disciplining the kids (the "my little angel couldn't possibly be a bully" complex).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spineless... or criminally negligent .
And yeah , there can be a difference.This incident reminds me of the " bullying problem " that plagues Japanese schools ( their media does n't report on it anymore , which is unsurprising as they 're the Asian equivalent of UK news sans BBC ) .
The similarity is mainly that a bunch of kids team up to make life miserable for their target , and school officials are either clueless or do n't lift a damn finger to stop them-- in the worst cases , the bullies essentially run the schoolyard because the faculty is hogtied by their parents from actually disciplining the kids ( the " my little angel could n't possibly be a bully " complex ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spineless... or criminally negligent.
And yeah, there can be a difference.This incident reminds me of the "bullying problem" that plagues Japanese schools (their media doesn't report on it anymore, which is unsurprising as they're the Asian equivalent of UK news sans BBC).
The similarity is mainly that a bunch of kids team up to make life miserable for their target, and school officials are either clueless or don't lift a damn finger to stop them-- in the worst cases, the bullies essentially run the schoolyard because the faculty is hogtied by their parents from actually disciplining the kids (the "my little angel couldn't possibly be a bully" complex).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_2125219.31665714</id>
	<title>What other recourse...</title>
	<author>vell0cet</author>
	<datestamp>1269876540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What other course of action was available to her... sadly, this seems to be the way things are heading.  Popularity is the rule and people look the other way.<br><br>People who are bullied cannot have outlets, cause if someone sees disturbing journals they get suspended or expelled.  After reading about the history of bullying at that school, I'm surprised there hasn't been a shooting yet.  But then again, she's from Ireland, probably never even crossed her mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What other course of action was available to her... sadly , this seems to be the way things are heading .
Popularity is the rule and people look the other way.People who are bullied can not have outlets , cause if someone sees disturbing journals they get suspended or expelled .
After reading about the history of bullying at that school , I 'm surprised there has n't been a shooting yet .
But then again , she 's from Ireland , probably never even crossed her mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What other course of action was available to her... sadly, this seems to be the way things are heading.
Popularity is the rule and people look the other way.People who are bullied cannot have outlets, cause if someone sees disturbing journals they get suspended or expelled.
After reading about the history of bullying at that school, I'm surprised there hasn't been a shooting yet.
But then again, she's from Ireland, probably never even crossed her mind.</sentencetext>
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