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	<title>Canadian Libraries Want $300,000 To Buy Games</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269864840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>AirborneGamer writes <i>"The Toronto Public Library is asking for <a href="http://www.airbornegamer.com/2010/03/28/canadian-libraries-want-300000-to-buy-games/">$300K to build up a collection of video games</a>.  They have not said if they will buy all types of games, or leave out the M-rated ones.  As the City Councilor of Toronto said about the project, 'It may be the only time a young person comes in. It can act as a magnet to attract people. Once we get them in there, you can be darn sure that our librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer.'  This is a good plan actually, and besides bringing kids into the library it will bring in parents and or guardians who otherwise may not visit the library on their own."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>AirborneGamer writes " The Toronto Public Library is asking for $ 300K to build up a collection of video games .
They have not said if they will buy all types of games , or leave out the M-rated ones .
As the City Councilor of Toronto said about the project , 'It may be the only time a young person comes in .
It can act as a magnet to attract people .
Once we get them in there , you can be darn sure that our librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer .
' This is a good plan actually , and besides bringing kids into the library it will bring in parents and or guardians who otherwise may not visit the library on their own .
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<sentencetext>AirborneGamer writes "The Toronto Public Library is asking for $300K to build up a collection of video games.
They have not said if they will buy all types of games, or leave out the M-rated ones.
As the City Councilor of Toronto said about the project, 'It may be the only time a young person comes in.
It can act as a magnet to attract people.
Once we get them in there, you can be darn sure that our librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer.
'  This is a good plan actually, and besides bringing kids into the library it will bring in parents and or guardians who otherwise may not visit the library on their own.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655626</id>
	<title>I thought this already would happen</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1269869700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My libraries has popular videos. Frugal people go there and check out videos.  There is no real educational purpose to it.  I think it is ok because there part of what a library does is provide a cultural reference, which does include the popular tv shows and movies. Die Hard, for instance, provides a unique cultural path of America over the past 20 years or so.
<p>
Video games now serve that function and having them in libraries is probably long overdue.  The only issue I see is which console to support.  Unlike videos, where any DVD player will do, the library might indirectly provide promotion for a console.  Also, as has been mentioned, video game makes are becoming increasingly rude about the second hand market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My libraries has popular videos .
Frugal people go there and check out videos .
There is no real educational purpose to it .
I think it is ok because there part of what a library does is provide a cultural reference , which does include the popular tv shows and movies .
Die Hard , for instance , provides a unique cultural path of America over the past 20 years or so .
Video games now serve that function and having them in libraries is probably long overdue .
The only issue I see is which console to support .
Unlike videos , where any DVD player will do , the library might indirectly provide promotion for a console .
Also , as has been mentioned , video game makes are becoming increasingly rude about the second hand market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My libraries has popular videos.
Frugal people go there and check out videos.
There is no real educational purpose to it.
I think it is ok because there part of what a library does is provide a cultural reference, which does include the popular tv shows and movies.
Die Hard, for instance, provides a unique cultural path of America over the past 20 years or so.
Video games now serve that function and having them in libraries is probably long overdue.
The only issue I see is which console to support.
Unlike videos, where any DVD player will do, the library might indirectly provide promotion for a console.
Also, as has been mentioned, video game makes are becoming increasingly rude about the second hand market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655494</id>
	<title>Libraries, the NEW babysitter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269868860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see kids getting dumped at the library.  Enough kids in a confined space, with limited resources and supervision (and no where else to go).  This could lead to problems.  They need to tread lightly.  I can see how this could succeed, but also how it could backfire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see kids getting dumped at the library .
Enough kids in a confined space , with limited resources and supervision ( and no where else to go ) .
This could lead to problems .
They need to tread lightly .
I can see how this could succeed , but also how it could backfire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see kids getting dumped at the library.
Enough kids in a confined space, with limited resources and supervision (and no where else to go).
This could lead to problems.
They need to tread lightly.
I can see how this could succeed, but also how it could backfire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655616</id>
	<title>Following the path of US libraries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our local library does this. they have XBox 360, PS3, and Wii games available (I think PS2 as well, but not sure). It's definitely a great way to get folks into the library and see what else might be in there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our local library does this .
they have XBox 360 , PS3 , and Wii games available ( I think PS2 as well , but not sure ) .
It 's definitely a great way to get folks into the library and see what else might be in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our local library does this.
they have XBox 360, PS3, and Wii games available (I think PS2 as well, but not sure).
It's definitely a great way to get folks into the library and see what else might be in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656696</id>
	<title>Re:Not really a library.</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1269875520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries.  Library comes from <i>Liber</i> and refers to "inner bark" or wood, and refers to books made out of trees.</p></div><p>Your username "kiehlster" is derived from the word "keister" which refers to the buttocks.  It's thus fitting that you come in here and make an ass of yourself.  At any rate:</p><p><b>library</b> - late 14c., from Anglo-Fr. librarie, from O.Fr. librairie "collection of books," noun use of adj. librarius "concerning books," from L. librarium "chest for books," from liber (gen. libri) "book, paper, parchment," originally "the inner bark of trees," probably a derivative of PIE base *leub(h)- "to strip, to peel".</p><p>Based on the root derivation, I'm sure you'd agree that libraries should have strippers in them.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries .
Library comes from Liber and refers to " inner bark " or wood , and refers to books made out of trees.Your username " kiehlster " is derived from the word " keister " which refers to the buttocks .
It 's thus fitting that you come in here and make an ass of yourself .
At any rate : library - late 14c. , from Anglo-Fr .
librarie , from O.Fr .
librairie " collection of books , " noun use of adj .
librarius " concerning books , " from L. librarium " chest for books , " from liber ( gen. libri ) " book , paper , parchment , " originally " the inner bark of trees , " probably a derivative of PIE base * leub ( h ) - " to strip , to peel " .Based on the root derivation , I 'm sure you 'd agree that libraries should have strippers in them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries.
Library comes from Liber and refers to "inner bark" or wood, and refers to books made out of trees.Your username "kiehlster" is derived from the word "keister" which refers to the buttocks.
It's thus fitting that you come in here and make an ass of yourself.
At any rate:library - late 14c., from Anglo-Fr.
librarie, from O.Fr.
librairie "collection of books," noun use of adj.
librarius "concerning books," from L. librarium "chest for books," from liber (gen. libri) "book, paper, parchment," originally "the inner bark of trees," probably a derivative of PIE base *leub(h)- "to strip, to peel".Based on the root derivation, I'm sure you'd agree that libraries should have strippers in them.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31719820</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly probably a good idea .... great idea!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270299960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Libraries are becoming increasingly less relevant to the generations who grew up with the internet at their disposal. I personally only made the trips back to the library when they started offering DVD's/ Blurays.</p></div><p>Its a great idea. Here in Vancouver BC there is a "fast track" library and they only carrying new titles, new magazines, xbox, ps3, wii games. One of each consol is installed at the library. You can use free wireless internet, and have laptops to lend 2 hours, you can take them to the coffee shop just outside the library enterence. once the titles are no longer "first run" they get transfered to main libraries in the city. it is the first of its kind, I am sure there will be more.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Libraries are becoming increasingly less relevant to the generations who grew up with the internet at their disposal .
I personally only made the trips back to the library when they started offering DVD 's/ Blurays.Its a great idea .
Here in Vancouver BC there is a " fast track " library and they only carrying new titles , new magazines , xbox , ps3 , wii games .
One of each consol is installed at the library .
You can use free wireless internet , and have laptops to lend 2 hours , you can take them to the coffee shop just outside the library enterence .
once the titles are no longer " first run " they get transfered to main libraries in the city .
it is the first of its kind , I am sure there will be more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries are becoming increasingly less relevant to the generations who grew up with the internet at their disposal.
I personally only made the trips back to the library when they started offering DVD's/ Blurays.Its a great idea.
Here in Vancouver BC there is a "fast track" library and they only carrying new titles, new magazines, xbox, ps3, wii games.
One of each consol is installed at the library.
You can use free wireless internet, and have laptops to lend 2 hours, you can take them to the coffee shop just outside the library enterence.
once the titles are no longer "first run" they get transfered to main libraries in the city.
it is the first of its kind, I am sure there will be more.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655488</id>
	<title>Not sure it's a good idea</title>
	<author>pete\_norm</author>
	<datestamp>1269868740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kids that want to go to the library already do. Their parents usually are readers also and tought them by example.</p><p>Also, I'm not sure why a kid would want to go to the library to play video games. Most kids have what they need to play at home.</p><p>Seems like wasted money to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kids that want to go to the library already do .
Their parents usually are readers also and tought them by example.Also , I 'm not sure why a kid would want to go to the library to play video games .
Most kids have what they need to play at home.Seems like wasted money to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kids that want to go to the library already do.
Their parents usually are readers also and tought them by example.Also, I'm not sure why a kid would want to go to the library to play video games.
Most kids have what they need to play at home.Seems like wasted money to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656604</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure it's a good idea</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1269875160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think you can bait and switch kids into reading this way, but that's not the only reason libraries should carry video games.    Video games are a new medium that's quickly becoming part of our cultural heritage.  It's just as important that libraries preserve and distribute them as any other medium.  It's just as important for a young person to be exposed to masterpieces like Ocarina of Time as it is for them to listen to the Hot Fives and Sevens, or read Where the Red Fern Grows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you can bait and switch kids into reading this way , but that 's not the only reason libraries should carry video games .
Video games are a new medium that 's quickly becoming part of our cultural heritage .
It 's just as important that libraries preserve and distribute them as any other medium .
It 's just as important for a young person to be exposed to masterpieces like Ocarina of Time as it is for them to listen to the Hot Fives and Sevens , or read Where the Red Fern Grows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you can bait and switch kids into reading this way, but that's not the only reason libraries should carry video games.
Video games are a new medium that's quickly becoming part of our cultural heritage.
It's just as important that libraries preserve and distribute them as any other medium.
It's just as important for a young person to be exposed to masterpieces like Ocarina of Time as it is for them to listen to the Hot Fives and Sevens, or read Where the Red Fern Grows.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658450</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>fafaforza</author>
	<datestamp>1269882780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  When does it become the parents' job to attempt to get their kids interested in books, or at least to realize that education is important?</p><p>And between the parents and some librarians, who will have the better shot of getting a kid interested in books?  Will the librarians even notice kids that leave the library right after finishing their game?  They have no incentive really to keep tabs on everyone, and probably busy with other tasks already.  Waste of money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
When does it become the parents ' job to attempt to get their kids interested in books , or at least to realize that education is important ? And between the parents and some librarians , who will have the better shot of getting a kid interested in books ?
Will the librarians even notice kids that leave the library right after finishing their game ?
They have no incentive really to keep tabs on everyone , and probably busy with other tasks already .
Waste of money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
When does it become the parents' job to attempt to get their kids interested in books, or at least to realize that education is important?And between the parents and some librarians, who will have the better shot of getting a kid interested in books?
Will the librarians even notice kids that leave the library right after finishing their game?
They have no incentive really to keep tabs on everyone, and probably busy with other tasks already.
Waste of money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655912</id>
	<title>Re:Librarian Tactics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>that made me think of something i hadnt seen in years. i think the first time i saw this photoshop i about died.<br> <br>

it's sfw.<br> <br>

original:<br> <br>

<a href="http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Djarum.jpg" title="somethingawful.com" rel="nofollow">http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Djarum.jpg</a> [somethingawful.com] <br> <br>

<a href="http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Almost-Smart.jpg" title="somethingawful.com" rel="nofollow">http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Almost-Smart.jpg</a> [somethingawful.com] <br> <br>
It's amazing how many people remember that powerup, it was only in 1 single level of 1 single Mario game.
<br> <br>
<br> <br>
Ontopic: I can't help but think that adding video games to libraries is a bad idea. Libraries are sort of one of those last refuge places in the USA to find calm, mindful, mentally mature people (at least, the ones I've been to). It's sort of like offering low alcohol content beers at AA meetings to soften up potential newcomers to the idea of coming on in. Or like the myriad of churches trying to look more accepting by striking compromises with the world around them to bring in more people, etc.<br> <br>I remember being shocked one day when a friend of mine called me up and said, 'Hey, I'm going to the Library, want to come?'---- this was a little shocking to me-- first, because I thought he was talking about a local bar called "The Library", and it was noon, but then second, I was almost entirely nonplussed when I realized he was talking about the <i>actual</i> Library. So... I hadn't been in town for awhile and things had changed, turns out, they have all sorts of trashy DVDs (not explicit adult stuff, but like... trashy action movies like 'crank'.. Ugh).... So.... That's why he was going.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that made me think of something i hadnt seen in years .
i think the first time i saw this photoshop i about died .
it 's sfw .
original : http : //images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Djarum.jpg [ somethingawful.com ] http : //images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Almost-Smart.jpg [ somethingawful.com ] It 's amazing how many people remember that powerup , it was only in 1 single level of 1 single Mario game .
Ontopic : I ca n't help but think that adding video games to libraries is a bad idea .
Libraries are sort of one of those last refuge places in the USA to find calm , mindful , mentally mature people ( at least , the ones I 've been to ) .
It 's sort of like offering low alcohol content beers at AA meetings to soften up potential newcomers to the idea of coming on in .
Or like the myriad of churches trying to look more accepting by striking compromises with the world around them to bring in more people , etc .
I remember being shocked one day when a friend of mine called me up and said , 'Hey , I 'm going to the Library , want to come ?
'---- this was a little shocking to me-- first , because I thought he was talking about a local bar called " The Library " , and it was noon , but then second , I was almost entirely nonplussed when I realized he was talking about the actual Library .
So... I had n't been in town for awhile and things had changed , turns out , they have all sorts of trashy DVDs ( not explicit adult stuff , but like... trashy action movies like 'crank'.. Ugh ) .... So.... That 's why he was going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that made me think of something i hadnt seen in years.
i think the first time i saw this photoshop i about died.
it's sfw.
original: 

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Djarum.jpg [somethingawful.com]  

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg05252004/Almost-Smart.jpg [somethingawful.com]  
It's amazing how many people remember that powerup, it was only in 1 single level of 1 single Mario game.
Ontopic: I can't help but think that adding video games to libraries is a bad idea.
Libraries are sort of one of those last refuge places in the USA to find calm, mindful, mentally mature people (at least, the ones I've been to).
It's sort of like offering low alcohol content beers at AA meetings to soften up potential newcomers to the idea of coming on in.
Or like the myriad of churches trying to look more accepting by striking compromises with the world around them to bring in more people, etc.
I remember being shocked one day when a friend of mine called me up and said, 'Hey, I'm going to the Library, want to come?
'---- this was a little shocking to me-- first, because I thought he was talking about a local bar called "The Library", and it was noon, but then second, I was almost entirely nonplussed when I realized he was talking about the actual Library.
So... I hadn't been in town for awhile and things had changed, turns out, they have all sorts of trashy DVDs (not explicit adult stuff, but like... trashy action movies like 'crank'.. Ugh).... So.... That's why he was going.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657074</id>
	<title>Re:Worked at our local library.</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1269877320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In Michigan our local library always carried computer games. Not always up to date but a good selection of Maxis games, tycoon types and even a few shooters. It seemed to work out quite well to me...</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't think the ones in the Capitol Area District Library (near Lansing) do.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p><p>They <b>used</b> to charge to load out video games (but not computer games), at least during the Genesis/SNES era.  When I say "charge" it was actually fairly cheap.  Something like $1 for 5 days.</p><p>I'm pretty sure they don't do this any more.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In Michigan our local library always carried computer games .
Not always up to date but a good selection of Maxis games , tycoon types and even a few shooters .
It seemed to work out quite well to me...I do n't think the ones in the Capitol Area District Library ( near Lansing ) do .
: /They used to charge to load out video games ( but not computer games ) , at least during the Genesis/SNES era .
When I say " charge " it was actually fairly cheap .
Something like $ 1 for 5 days.I 'm pretty sure they do n't do this any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Michigan our local library always carried computer games.
Not always up to date but a good selection of Maxis games, tycoon types and even a few shooters.
It seemed to work out quite well to me...I don't think the ones in the Capitol Area District Library (near Lansing) do.
:/They used to charge to load out video games (but not computer games), at least during the Genesis/SNES era.
When I say "charge" it was actually fairly cheap.
Something like $1 for 5 days.I'm pretty sure they don't do this any more.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655926</id>
	<title>Re:Librarian Tactics</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1269871920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously you remember the days of HotBot web search.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously you remember the days of HotBot web search .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously you remember the days of HotBot web search.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658110</id>
	<title>Re:Libraries, the NEW babysitter</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1269881280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Post a sign.  Children must be supervised.  When you find unsupervised children, call the police.  Have their parents cited.  Problem solved.  Leaving your children unsupervised at the library is no different from leaving them unsupervised at any business, or street corner for that matter.  If the child isn't old enough to supervise himself, that's neglect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Post a sign .
Children must be supervised .
When you find unsupervised children , call the police .
Have their parents cited .
Problem solved .
Leaving your children unsupervised at the library is no different from leaving them unsupervised at any business , or street corner for that matter .
If the child is n't old enough to supervise himself , that 's neglect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Post a sign.
Children must be supervised.
When you find unsupervised children, call the police.
Have their parents cited.
Problem solved.
Leaving your children unsupervised at the library is no different from leaving them unsupervised at any business, or street corner for that matter.
If the child isn't old enough to supervise himself, that's neglect.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656206</id>
	<title>Re:DRM?</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1269873540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Didnt you hear? Razor1911 are contracting to the Canadian government now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Didnt you hear ?
Razor1911 are contracting to the Canadian government now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didnt you hear?
Razor1911 are contracting to the Canadian government now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655706</id>
	<title>Typical government inefficiency</title>
	<author>JoeWalsh</author>
	<datestamp>1269870300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't they just download them for free like everyone else?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't they just download them for free like everyone else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't they just download them for free like everyone else?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656518</id>
	<title>Mushroom labeled EAT ME</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1269874860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ooh, Super Mario Brothers! Well, if you like this, you may also like:</p></div><p> <i>Alice's Adventures in Wonderland</i> by Carroll. The SMB1 team cited this book as an inspiration.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooh , Super Mario Brothers !
Well , if you like this , you may also like : Alice 's Adventures in Wonderland by Carroll .
The SMB1 team cited this book as an inspiration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooh, Super Mario Brothers!
Well, if you like this, you may also like: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Carroll.
The SMB1 team cited this book as an inspiration.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658972</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1269885300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you're really not understanding the purpose that <b>PUBLIC</b> libraries serve: Repositories of culture that the <b>PUBLIC</b> can have access to, regardless of economic situation. Games, movies, music - all of these things are components of our culture, just like books, newspapers, magazines and other materials that libraries offer.</p><p>I can think of quite a few worse uses for tax money than providing equal access to humanity's cultural heritage - the good and bad of it - to any and all who wish to partake.</p><p>Further, public libraries *should* have collections of every kind of information - even the ones you call frivolous like games and movies - because if we start making judgment calls as to what should be included it can very quickly go downhill. I guarantee you that there is a sizable population in the US that believes *any* book other than the christian bible is frivolous - should we use their judgment? There are a lot of people in this country who would object to having the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf available to be read - should we let them be the judge? Or what about the people who object to Mark Twain, JD Salinger and company? What about people who object to their children being exposed to "black" culture, or to anything other than traditional white western thought?</p><p>Far better to have a policy of comprehensive inclusion - even for things like video games and porn and anything else one cares to name - than one of selective exclusion. I would much rather have a library where kids go to play gruesome shoot-em-ups, browse for porn on the web, or whatever else you might think of than one that has been set up to be an arbiter of what is and isn't important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're certainly entitled to your opinion , but you 're really not understanding the purpose that PUBLIC libraries serve : Repositories of culture that the PUBLIC can have access to , regardless of economic situation .
Games , movies , music - all of these things are components of our culture , just like books , newspapers , magazines and other materials that libraries offer.I can think of quite a few worse uses for tax money than providing equal access to humanity 's cultural heritage - the good and bad of it - to any and all who wish to partake.Further , public libraries * should * have collections of every kind of information - even the ones you call frivolous like games and movies - because if we start making judgment calls as to what should be included it can very quickly go downhill .
I guarantee you that there is a sizable population in the US that believes * any * book other than the christian bible is frivolous - should we use their judgment ?
There are a lot of people in this country who would object to having the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf available to be read - should we let them be the judge ?
Or what about the people who object to Mark Twain , JD Salinger and company ?
What about people who object to their children being exposed to " black " culture , or to anything other than traditional white western thought ? Far better to have a policy of comprehensive inclusion - even for things like video games and porn and anything else one cares to name - than one of selective exclusion .
I would much rather have a library where kids go to play gruesome shoot-em-ups , browse for porn on the web , or whatever else you might think of than one that has been set up to be an arbiter of what is and is n't important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you're really not understanding the purpose that PUBLIC libraries serve: Repositories of culture that the PUBLIC can have access to, regardless of economic situation.
Games, movies, music - all of these things are components of our culture, just like books, newspapers, magazines and other materials that libraries offer.I can think of quite a few worse uses for tax money than providing equal access to humanity's cultural heritage - the good and bad of it - to any and all who wish to partake.Further, public libraries *should* have collections of every kind of information - even the ones you call frivolous like games and movies - because if we start making judgment calls as to what should be included it can very quickly go downhill.
I guarantee you that there is a sizable population in the US that believes *any* book other than the christian bible is frivolous - should we use their judgment?
There are a lot of people in this country who would object to having the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf available to be read - should we let them be the judge?
Or what about the people who object to Mark Twain, JD Salinger and company?
What about people who object to their children being exposed to "black" culture, or to anything other than traditional white western thought?Far better to have a policy of comprehensive inclusion - even for things like video games and porn and anything else one cares to name - than one of selective exclusion.
I would much rather have a library where kids go to play gruesome shoot-em-ups, browse for porn on the web, or whatever else you might think of than one that has been set up to be an arbiter of what is and isn't important.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658094</id>
	<title>Playboy at Stony Brook</title>
	<author>deodiaus2</author>
	<datestamp>1269881220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got a chuckle out of the fact that Stony Brook U's main library had Playboy.  Great because I would never pay for it.  I never asked if I could take it to the john though?  Who knows, maybe my classmates did, in which case I wouldn't want to touch it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a chuckle out of the fact that Stony Brook U 's main library had Playboy .
Great because I would never pay for it .
I never asked if I could take it to the john though ?
Who knows , maybe my classmates did , in which case I would n't want to touch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a chuckle out of the fact that Stony Brook U's main library had Playboy.
Great because I would never pay for it.
I never asked if I could take it to the john though?
Who knows, maybe my classmates did, in which case I wouldn't want to touch it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656286</id>
	<title>Books are So Last Century</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1269873840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not really. One of the positive things to come out of my recent stint of unemployment was rediscovering city and community college libraries. I used to just pick books off of Amazon or Half Price books. Now my new gig is within walking distance of the main city library, which is awesome. Some of the smaller regional libraries are pretty much ruined by all the people that come in to use the computers. Not only do they leave their cell phones on, but have no problem having a loud conversation while others are trying to read. I don't really need to know about your pedicure appointment while I'm trying to get my Asimov fix.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
One of the positive things to come out of my recent stint of unemployment was rediscovering city and community college libraries .
I used to just pick books off of Amazon or Half Price books .
Now my new gig is within walking distance of the main city library , which is awesome .
Some of the smaller regional libraries are pretty much ruined by all the people that come in to use the computers .
Not only do they leave their cell phones on , but have no problem having a loud conversation while others are trying to read .
I do n't really need to know about your pedicure appointment while I 'm trying to get my Asimov fix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
One of the positive things to come out of my recent stint of unemployment was rediscovering city and community college libraries.
I used to just pick books off of Amazon or Half Price books.
Now my new gig is within walking distance of the main city library, which is awesome.
Some of the smaller regional libraries are pretty much ruined by all the people that come in to use the computers.
Not only do they leave their cell phones on, but have no problem having a loud conversation while others are trying to read.
I don't really need to know about your pedicure appointment while I'm trying to get my Asimov fix.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658570</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>FiloEleven</author>
	<datestamp>1269883380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And now that we have the internet, such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books (or just read wikipedia), the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.</p></div><p>You do realize that not all books are alike, yes?  Even if there are three million free books available online,  that's only a sixth of the books estimated to exist worldwide.  And an in-depth book is better than Wikipedia for anything but the most cursory look at a topic.  There's a reason Wikipedia requires sources, and there's a reason that most of those sources are books--many of which, I might add, you can't find on Gutenberg Project or Amazon.  Libraries may indeed outlive their usefulness, but it hasn't happened yet.</p><p>"Government-funded" is a separate issue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And now that we have the internet , such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books ( or just read wikipedia ) , the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.You do realize that not all books are alike , yes ?
Even if there are three million free books available online , that 's only a sixth of the books estimated to exist worldwide .
And an in-depth book is better than Wikipedia for anything but the most cursory look at a topic .
There 's a reason Wikipedia requires sources , and there 's a reason that most of those sources are books--many of which , I might add , you ca n't find on Gutenberg Project or Amazon .
Libraries may indeed outlive their usefulness , but it has n't happened yet .
" Government-funded " is a separate issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And now that we have the internet, such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books (or just read wikipedia), the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.You do realize that not all books are alike, yes?
Even if there are three million free books available online,  that's only a sixth of the books estimated to exist worldwide.
And an in-depth book is better than Wikipedia for anything but the most cursory look at a topic.
There's a reason Wikipedia requires sources, and there's a reason that most of those sources are books--many of which, I might add, you can't find on Gutenberg Project or Amazon.
Libraries may indeed outlive their usefulness, but it hasn't happened yet.
"Government-funded" is a separate issue.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655492</id>
	<title>Bait and Switch?</title>
	<author>dmgxmichael</author>
	<datestamp>1269868800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure you can play Super Street Fighter IV Jimmy, as soon as you finish reading War and Peace<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure you can play Super Street Fighter IV Jimmy , as soon as you finish reading War and Peace : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure you can play Super Street Fighter IV Jimmy, as soon as you finish reading War and Peace :D</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656394</id>
	<title>Not a new concept.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The public library in Columbus, Mississippi already does this. There's even a "Teen Room" with systems available to play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The public library in Columbus , Mississippi already does this .
There 's even a " Teen Room " with systems available to play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The public library in Columbus, Mississippi already does this.
There's even a "Teen Room" with systems available to play.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658350</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269882360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, you must sure get bothered by library spending a lot, then!   It must also gall you that they have frivolous things like murder mysteries, science fiction, and, for that matter, all fiction?  The how to do home repairs section and how to meditate sections would be the only sections in your library, then.  And, for that matter, as anyone can get that info on the web, even a library is a waste of money, isn't it?</p><p>Where I live, in the US, libraries also provide email &amp; web access, and have childrens' sections with computers dedicated to games for little kids.  I don't think any of the childrens' section has a "self help" book, so I guess they should be abandoned, too.</p><p>I used to go to a local library after school, mainly to flirt with the opposite sex.  We often got kicked out for talking. (back when you weren't supposed to talk in libraries)  A few years later, I was a regular in libraries, as they had all sorts of good things there.  I even used them to help me write papers for graduate work.  Now I attend library fundraisers, and am a life member of the "friends of" my local library.  Personally, if it engages kids in a place where they are likely to learn something, I'm for it.  However, if times are tough, I'd skip the games, yet provide good fiction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you must sure get bothered by library spending a lot , then !
It must also gall you that they have frivolous things like murder mysteries , science fiction , and , for that matter , all fiction ?
The how to do home repairs section and how to meditate sections would be the only sections in your library , then .
And , for that matter , as anyone can get that info on the web , even a library is a waste of money , is n't it ? Where I live , in the US , libraries also provide email &amp; web access , and have childrens ' sections with computers dedicated to games for little kids .
I do n't think any of the childrens ' section has a " self help " book , so I guess they should be abandoned , too.I used to go to a local library after school , mainly to flirt with the opposite sex .
We often got kicked out for talking .
( back when you were n't supposed to talk in libraries ) A few years later , I was a regular in libraries , as they had all sorts of good things there .
I even used them to help me write papers for graduate work .
Now I attend library fundraisers , and am a life member of the " friends of " my local library .
Personally , if it engages kids in a place where they are likely to learn something , I 'm for it .
However , if times are tough , I 'd skip the games , yet provide good fiction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you must sure get bothered by library spending a lot, then!
It must also gall you that they have frivolous things like murder mysteries, science fiction, and, for that matter, all fiction?
The how to do home repairs section and how to meditate sections would be the only sections in your library, then.
And, for that matter, as anyone can get that info on the web, even a library is a waste of money, isn't it?Where I live, in the US, libraries also provide email &amp; web access, and have childrens' sections with computers dedicated to games for little kids.
I don't think any of the childrens' section has a "self help" book, so I guess they should be abandoned, too.I used to go to a local library after school, mainly to flirt with the opposite sex.
We often got kicked out for talking.
(back when you weren't supposed to talk in libraries)  A few years later, I was a regular in libraries, as they had all sorts of good things there.
I even used them to help me write papers for graduate work.
Now I attend library fundraisers, and am a life member of the "friends of" my local library.
Personally, if it engages kids in a place where they are likely to learn something, I'm for it.
However, if times are tough, I'd skip the games, yet provide good fiction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655734</id>
	<title>Already done</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269870480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>300,000$ is far from enough to build a complete collection. The biggest game library to exist is in the warez scene private topsites, if the FBI could simply stop destroying them and use them for culture instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>300,000 $ is far from enough to build a complete collection .
The biggest game library to exist is in the warez scene private topsites , if the FBI could simply stop destroying them and use them for culture instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>300,000$ is far from enough to build a complete collection.
The biggest game library to exist is in the warez scene private topsites, if the FBI could simply stop destroying them and use them for culture instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658900</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>Again</author>
	<datestamp>1269885060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... of public money well spent. Thumbs up, Toronto !</p></div><p>Public money?  Nah, this'll be my money if I every pay my late fees.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... of public money well spent .
Thumbs up , Toronto ! Public money ?
Nah , this 'll be my money if I every pay my late fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... of public money well spent.
Thumbs up, Toronto !Public money?
Nah, this'll be my money if I every pay my late fees.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658142</id>
	<title>Brick and Mortar</title>
	<author>Bones3D\_mac</author>
	<datestamp>1269881460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Much like many older "brick and mortar" stores have had to do to survive over the years, libraries need to follow suit. They either need to feature a very strong online presence (as in actually useful) or merge their resources together into a massive central location that's easily accessible and relatively clean/safe.</p><p>In recent years, libraries have gotten a bad rap for stock-housing materials that are so outdated that the materials themselves are either no longer relevant or are now historically inaccurate. These days, no one trusts anything printed over a decade ago, mainly because that's the point where the internet really started to take root in our culture. For many of us, if content isn't constantly updated as more information becomes available, the source of the content loses it's credibility.</p><p>Given how we tend to act within our own culture, our school systems have pretty much changed to adapt. As such, it's very likely that any student that goes to a library to study in the manner our generation did 15-20 years ago (nose buried deep in a book) would probably not get a decent grade. There's also the potential problem that having been born into a post-internet-boom world, they may not be able to adapt to information retrieval in that manner. It's possible that even being faced with such a task for prolonged period of time would trigger several bouts of cognitive overload. As it is, the current protocol this generation uses for handling information is to obtain it in short chunks at high speeds, relative to an information terminal... versus earlier generations who dealt with information in slower, longer chunks. The further back in time you go, the slower and longer these information chunks become, relative to our technological advancement. (books-&gt;newsprint-&gt;telephone-&gt;radio-&gt;television-&gt;personal computers-&gt;internet)</p><p>At any rate, libraries should not be trying to play up the whole "books are cool" line, and should be focusing more on how to adapt themselves to the demand for high speed information exchange. It might even make more sense for a company like Google to simply buy every library in every community, and turn them into data centers. Perhaps even establish some sort of proprietary network outside of the internet that would facilitate nothing but the absolute highest speed searches possible, then let the public utilize it via terminals at these libraries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Much like many older " brick and mortar " stores have had to do to survive over the years , libraries need to follow suit .
They either need to feature a very strong online presence ( as in actually useful ) or merge their resources together into a massive central location that 's easily accessible and relatively clean/safe.In recent years , libraries have gotten a bad rap for stock-housing materials that are so outdated that the materials themselves are either no longer relevant or are now historically inaccurate .
These days , no one trusts anything printed over a decade ago , mainly because that 's the point where the internet really started to take root in our culture .
For many of us , if content is n't constantly updated as more information becomes available , the source of the content loses it 's credibility.Given how we tend to act within our own culture , our school systems have pretty much changed to adapt .
As such , it 's very likely that any student that goes to a library to study in the manner our generation did 15-20 years ago ( nose buried deep in a book ) would probably not get a decent grade .
There 's also the potential problem that having been born into a post-internet-boom world , they may not be able to adapt to information retrieval in that manner .
It 's possible that even being faced with such a task for prolonged period of time would trigger several bouts of cognitive overload .
As it is , the current protocol this generation uses for handling information is to obtain it in short chunks at high speeds , relative to an information terminal... versus earlier generations who dealt with information in slower , longer chunks .
The further back in time you go , the slower and longer these information chunks become , relative to our technological advancement .
( books- &gt; newsprint- &gt; telephone- &gt; radio- &gt; television- &gt; personal computers- &gt; internet ) At any rate , libraries should not be trying to play up the whole " books are cool " line , and should be focusing more on how to adapt themselves to the demand for high speed information exchange .
It might even make more sense for a company like Google to simply buy every library in every community , and turn them into data centers .
Perhaps even establish some sort of proprietary network outside of the internet that would facilitate nothing but the absolute highest speed searches possible , then let the public utilize it via terminals at these libraries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Much like many older "brick and mortar" stores have had to do to survive over the years, libraries need to follow suit.
They either need to feature a very strong online presence (as in actually useful) or merge their resources together into a massive central location that's easily accessible and relatively clean/safe.In recent years, libraries have gotten a bad rap for stock-housing materials that are so outdated that the materials themselves are either no longer relevant or are now historically inaccurate.
These days, no one trusts anything printed over a decade ago, mainly because that's the point where the internet really started to take root in our culture.
For many of us, if content isn't constantly updated as more information becomes available, the source of the content loses it's credibility.Given how we tend to act within our own culture, our school systems have pretty much changed to adapt.
As such, it's very likely that any student that goes to a library to study in the manner our generation did 15-20 years ago (nose buried deep in a book) would probably not get a decent grade.
There's also the potential problem that having been born into a post-internet-boom world, they may not be able to adapt to information retrieval in that manner.
It's possible that even being faced with such a task for prolonged period of time would trigger several bouts of cognitive overload.
As it is, the current protocol this generation uses for handling information is to obtain it in short chunks at high speeds, relative to an information terminal... versus earlier generations who dealt with information in slower, longer chunks.
The further back in time you go, the slower and longer these information chunks become, relative to our technological advancement.
(books-&gt;newsprint-&gt;telephone-&gt;radio-&gt;television-&gt;personal computers-&gt;internet)At any rate, libraries should not be trying to play up the whole "books are cool" line, and should be focusing more on how to adapt themselves to the demand for high speed information exchange.
It might even make more sense for a company like Google to simply buy every library in every community, and turn them into data centers.
Perhaps even establish some sort of proprietary network outside of the internet that would facilitate nothing but the absolute highest speed searches possible, then let the public utilize it via terminals at these libraries.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31667880</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>shnull</author>
	<datestamp>1269943560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>superb, thought like a real 2010 library</htmltext>
<tokenext>superb , thought like a real 2010 library</tokentext>
<sentencetext>superb, thought like a real 2010 library</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656492</id>
	<title>Good plan</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269874800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe some locals can donates some game that aren't used too much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe some locals can donates some game that are n't used too much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe some locals can donates some game that aren't used too much?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656648</id>
	<title>Libraries as buildings are dinosaurs.</title>
	<author>Anti Cheat</author>
	<datestamp>1269875340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only are what libraries buy under discussion in  the Canadian national capital of Ottawa. The relevance of library buildings themselves isa  hot topic. Ottawa wants several million dollars to build a new library. This comes at a time when city and library budgets are under review in these tight times. The topic has gone well beyond what content a library should purchase. It has now expanded to the discussion if libraries are relevant in our world of the Kindle.</p><p>One Kindle could hold the complete content of a 200 million dollar library building, plus the costs of running it. Should we not question the whole idea of a bricks and mortar building. The costs to the tax payer is huge in a time when there are very few users of the buildings. Are cities better off financially to open kiosks in stores just like the post offices are now around the city. At these places people could borrow a kindle with the appropriate book activated? Is our tax money better spent in this fashion?</p><p>But what about copy right? With the new and expanding legislation and ingrained DRM are we going to lose the concept of a library. Have there been provision for electronic libraries to exists. If there is I do not see it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only are what libraries buy under discussion in the Canadian national capital of Ottawa .
The relevance of library buildings themselves isa hot topic .
Ottawa wants several million dollars to build a new library .
This comes at a time when city and library budgets are under review in these tight times .
The topic has gone well beyond what content a library should purchase .
It has now expanded to the discussion if libraries are relevant in our world of the Kindle.One Kindle could hold the complete content of a 200 million dollar library building , plus the costs of running it .
Should we not question the whole idea of a bricks and mortar building .
The costs to the tax payer is huge in a time when there are very few users of the buildings .
Are cities better off financially to open kiosks in stores just like the post offices are now around the city .
At these places people could borrow a kindle with the appropriate book activated ?
Is our tax money better spent in this fashion ? But what about copy right ?
With the new and expanding legislation and ingrained DRM are we going to lose the concept of a library .
Have there been provision for electronic libraries to exists .
If there is I do not see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only are what libraries buy under discussion in  the Canadian national capital of Ottawa.
The relevance of library buildings themselves isa  hot topic.
Ottawa wants several million dollars to build a new library.
This comes at a time when city and library budgets are under review in these tight times.
The topic has gone well beyond what content a library should purchase.
It has now expanded to the discussion if libraries are relevant in our world of the Kindle.One Kindle could hold the complete content of a 200 million dollar library building, plus the costs of running it.
Should we not question the whole idea of a bricks and mortar building.
The costs to the tax payer is huge in a time when there are very few users of the buildings.
Are cities better off financially to open kiosks in stores just like the post offices are now around the city.
At these places people could borrow a kindle with the appropriate book activated?
Is our tax money better spent in this fashion?But what about copy right?
With the new and expanding legislation and ingrained DRM are we going to lose the concept of a library.
Have there been provision for electronic libraries to exists.
If there is I do not see it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656370</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>distantbody</author>
	<datestamp>1269874200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>+1<br> <br>Call me conservative also, but I think libraries should be places of knowledge. I think the intentions of the Toronto libraries are good, but 'getting kids through the door with video games' is IMO naive -- as in it doesn't work like that (from my experience).<br> <br>When pop CDs/DVDs were introduced at my local library, it slowly turned into a 'hang-out' space where chatter was ok because the librarians didn't want to confront or play the 'stickler librarian' role. Did it achieve the goal of getting non-readers into the library? Yes. Did they read anything? Nope. Did it make the library less conducive place for reading and studying? Yes.<br> <br>One thing that this idea reminds me of is 'kids sections' in libraries. The rationale is 'get 'em while there young', with colorful kids motifs and toys, the adults can put up with some squealing and crying in the library... The reality is that noisy uncontrolled kids shouldn't be anywhere <b>near</b> a library, they can get their Barney fix elsewhere.<br> <br>I hold the belief that books are the best communicators of information, as it requires active concentration and everything has to at least get parsed. I think a library should be about knowledge (incl. internet), and particular the best knowledge source the book, and since it is a place for reading, it goes hand in hand with <i>reading for enjoyment</i>, and therefore <i>all</i> books.<br> <br>Don't degrade the libraries, instead closely monitor children's reading in school so that any reading problems are caught early so that they can have the enjoyment and <i>appreciation of books</i>. But I guess that is more resource intensive, longer-term commitment to individuals and probably requires parental involvement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 Call me conservative also , but I think libraries should be places of knowledge .
I think the intentions of the Toronto libraries are good , but 'getting kids through the door with video games ' is IMO naive -- as in it does n't work like that ( from my experience ) .
When pop CDs/DVDs were introduced at my local library , it slowly turned into a 'hang-out ' space where chatter was ok because the librarians did n't want to confront or play the 'stickler librarian ' role .
Did it achieve the goal of getting non-readers into the library ?
Yes. Did they read anything ?
Nope. Did it make the library less conducive place for reading and studying ?
Yes. One thing that this idea reminds me of is 'kids sections ' in libraries .
The rationale is 'get 'em while there young ' , with colorful kids motifs and toys , the adults can put up with some squealing and crying in the library... The reality is that noisy uncontrolled kids should n't be anywhere near a library , they can get their Barney fix elsewhere .
I hold the belief that books are the best communicators of information , as it requires active concentration and everything has to at least get parsed .
I think a library should be about knowledge ( incl .
internet ) , and particular the best knowledge source the book , and since it is a place for reading , it goes hand in hand with reading for enjoyment , and therefore all books .
Do n't degrade the libraries , instead closely monitor children 's reading in school so that any reading problems are caught early so that they can have the enjoyment and appreciation of books .
But I guess that is more resource intensive , longer-term commitment to individuals and probably requires parental involvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 Call me conservative also, but I think libraries should be places of knowledge.
I think the intentions of the Toronto libraries are good, but 'getting kids through the door with video games' is IMO naive -- as in it doesn't work like that (from my experience).
When pop CDs/DVDs were introduced at my local library, it slowly turned into a 'hang-out' space where chatter was ok because the librarians didn't want to confront or play the 'stickler librarian' role.
Did it achieve the goal of getting non-readers into the library?
Yes. Did they read anything?
Nope. Did it make the library less conducive place for reading and studying?
Yes. One thing that this idea reminds me of is 'kids sections' in libraries.
The rationale is 'get 'em while there young', with colorful kids motifs and toys, the adults can put up with some squealing and crying in the library... The reality is that noisy uncontrolled kids shouldn't be anywhere near a library, they can get their Barney fix elsewhere.
I hold the belief that books are the best communicators of information, as it requires active concentration and everything has to at least get parsed.
I think a library should be about knowledge (incl.
internet), and particular the best knowledge source the book, and since it is a place for reading, it goes hand in hand with reading for enjoyment, and therefore all books.
Don't degrade the libraries, instead closely monitor children's reading in school so that any reading problems are caught early so that they can have the enjoyment and appreciation of books.
But I guess that is more resource intensive, longer-term commitment to individuals and probably requires parental involvement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657366</id>
	<title>Same Result with Strategy Guides?</title>
	<author>syntap</author>
	<datestamp>1269878400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't they achieve the same result by carrying game strategy guides?  That way kids are actually learning to go to a library to use it for research purposes.  Some may not agree that the research topic is worthwhile, but I can't believe those detractors would think video games themselves would hold more research value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't they achieve the same result by carrying game strategy guides ?
That way kids are actually learning to go to a library to use it for research purposes .
Some may not agree that the research topic is worthwhile , but I ca n't believe those detractors would think video games themselves would hold more research value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't they achieve the same result by carrying game strategy guides?
That way kids are actually learning to go to a library to use it for research purposes.
Some may not agree that the research topic is worthwhile, but I can't believe those detractors would think video games themselves would hold more research value.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655540</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't we just give them some of that internet money? That way we can avoid any whining about the use of taxpayers money and we don't risk Canada going on strike</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't we just give them some of that internet money ?
That way we can avoid any whining about the use of taxpayers money and we do n't risk Canada going on strike</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't we just give them some of that internet money?
That way we can avoid any whining about the use of taxpayers money and we don't risk Canada going on strike</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656724</id>
	<title>Why do they it?</title>
	<author>dgreg</author>
	<datestamp>1269875700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think everyone should follow his own way. Somebody reads books but somebody else doesn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think everyone should follow his own way .
Somebody reads books but somebody else does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think everyone should follow his own way.
Somebody reads books but somebody else doesn't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657072</id>
	<title>This is exactly what a good library does</title>
	<author>gurps\_npc</author>
	<datestamp>1269877320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you stop carrying books if they move to books on tape?  Do libraries refuse to carry fiction?  No.

Libraries are places where we store and share media, not just written words.  Video games are the new media and deserve to be stored.

As for copyright protection, the library should have the legal write to circumvent it, but the holders will probably object and attempt to use the force of law to prevent it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you stop carrying books if they move to books on tape ?
Do libraries refuse to carry fiction ?
No . Libraries are places where we store and share media , not just written words .
Video games are the new media and deserve to be stored .
As for copyright protection , the library should have the legal write to circumvent it , but the holders will probably object and attempt to use the force of law to prevent it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you stop carrying books if they move to books on tape?
Do libraries refuse to carry fiction?
No.

Libraries are places where we store and share media, not just written words.
Video games are the new media and deserve to be stored.
As for copyright protection, the library should have the legal write to circumvent it, but the holders will probably object and attempt to use the force of law to prevent it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655792</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>stonewallred</author>
	<datestamp>1269871080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Define classic. Start there. I think RAH's works are for the most part classic. Same with Vachss. I also like some other less known writers, and think their works fall into classics. It is not conservative to want to set the library up with only the items you think are correct. You are trying to shoot your personal opinions into what conservatism is. Conservative would be opposed to public funding of a library, but even then it would be a stretch. The opposition to using public money for something that is broadly considered for the public good is more in line with libertarianism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Define classic .
Start there .
I think RAH 's works are for the most part classic .
Same with Vachss .
I also like some other less known writers , and think their works fall into classics .
It is not conservative to want to set the library up with only the items you think are correct .
You are trying to shoot your personal opinions into what conservatism is .
Conservative would be opposed to public funding of a library , but even then it would be a stretch .
The opposition to using public money for something that is broadly considered for the public good is more in line with libertarianism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Define classic.
Start there.
I think RAH's works are for the most part classic.
Same with Vachss.
I also like some other less known writers, and think their works fall into classics.
It is not conservative to want to set the library up with only the items you think are correct.
You are trying to shoot your personal opinions into what conservatism is.
Conservative would be opposed to public funding of a library, but even then it would be a stretch.
The opposition to using public money for something that is broadly considered for the public good is more in line with libertarianism.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655864</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure it's a good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hm, in my country you can <i>borrow</i> books and movies at the library, bring home for some time and then return them. Why would they play the video games <i>at</i> the library?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hm , in my country you can borrow books and movies at the library , bring home for some time and then return them .
Why would they play the video games at the library ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hm, in my country you can borrow books and movies at the library, bring home for some time and then return them.
Why would they play the video games at the library?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655976</id>
	<title>Logic fails</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1269872220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could convert a library into a cybercafe or a disco, and that may atract more/different type of people. But thats not really atracting more people to a library, more like atracting people to a cybercafe/disco that use to be a library.</p><p>The idea sould be make the library more interesting, that could be adding a cybercafe to it, anything really, but thats that "fit" the existing things, so the core of the experience is not damaged.</p><p>If you want to make a romantic sci-fi movie, your first step can't be to drop the romantic and science fiction part of it. There are parts  of things that are esential to the experience, you sould never make concesions on core values, because the result will not be great.   A Disco or a cybercafe will not make concesions, or only where it not affect the core experience, as a result most Disco or Cybercafes are great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could convert a library into a cybercafe or a disco , and that may atract more/different type of people .
But thats not really atracting more people to a library , more like atracting people to a cybercafe/disco that use to be a library.The idea sould be make the library more interesting , that could be adding a cybercafe to it , anything really , but thats that " fit " the existing things , so the core of the experience is not damaged.If you want to make a romantic sci-fi movie , your first step ca n't be to drop the romantic and science fiction part of it .
There are parts of things that are esential to the experience , you sould never make concesions on core values , because the result will not be great .
A Disco or a cybercafe will not make concesions , or only where it not affect the core experience , as a result most Disco or Cybercafes are great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could convert a library into a cybercafe or a disco, and that may atract more/different type of people.
But thats not really atracting more people to a library, more like atracting people to a cybercafe/disco that use to be a library.The idea sould be make the library more interesting, that could be adding a cybercafe to it, anything really, but thats that "fit" the existing things, so the core of the experience is not damaged.If you want to make a romantic sci-fi movie, your first step can't be to drop the romantic and science fiction part of it.
There are parts  of things that are esential to the experience, you sould never make concesions on core values, because the result will not be great.
A Disco or a cybercafe will not make concesions, or only where it not affect the core experience, as a result most Disco or Cybercafes are great.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658442</id>
	<title>Re:Bait and Switch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269882720000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never heard of Super Street Fighter IV Jimmy. Is that one of the DLC or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never heard of Super Street Fighter IV Jimmy .
Is that one of the DLC or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never heard of Super Street Fighter IV Jimmy.
Is that one of the DLC or something?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656040</id>
	<title>Almost a good idea.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It would be a good idea if the games weren't going to be out of date almost as soon as they're bought.  What good is a huge collection of outdated games?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be a good idea if the games were n't going to be out of date almost as soon as they 're bought .
What good is a huge collection of outdated games ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be a good idea if the games weren't going to be out of date almost as soon as they're bought.
What good is a huge collection of outdated games?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656662</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly probably a good idea,</title>
	<author>Ismene</author>
	<datestamp>1269875400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Libraries are not just about knowledge. They are about gathering places - they are about providing services to the public. Not everyone can afford books, movies, internet, etc. Libraries provide access to these things. I realise to everyone it looks like a waste of time and money, but it isn't. Some of the video games (Dragon Age for example) provide more reading than most books these days.

Of course, I am biased. I am a librarian. I spend my days showing students why they still need the library. I show them pictures of fake giant skeletons, I show them pictures of Paris Hilton and Pope John Paul II clubbing in Ibiza. I try and show them that right now, we need libraries more than ever. We have reached an age where we can fake reality - who can say what is real. You need a place that can help you find out what the facts are.

Maybe (at the ripe old age of 30), I'm already a dinosaur.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Libraries are not just about knowledge .
They are about gathering places - they are about providing services to the public .
Not everyone can afford books , movies , internet , etc .
Libraries provide access to these things .
I realise to everyone it looks like a waste of time and money , but it is n't .
Some of the video games ( Dragon Age for example ) provide more reading than most books these days .
Of course , I am biased .
I am a librarian .
I spend my days showing students why they still need the library .
I show them pictures of fake giant skeletons , I show them pictures of Paris Hilton and Pope John Paul II clubbing in Ibiza .
I try and show them that right now , we need libraries more than ever .
We have reached an age where we can fake reality - who can say what is real .
You need a place that can help you find out what the facts are .
Maybe ( at the ripe old age of 30 ) , I 'm already a dinosaur .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries are not just about knowledge.
They are about gathering places - they are about providing services to the public.
Not everyone can afford books, movies, internet, etc.
Libraries provide access to these things.
I realise to everyone it looks like a waste of time and money, but it isn't.
Some of the video games (Dragon Age for example) provide more reading than most books these days.
Of course, I am biased.
I am a librarian.
I spend my days showing students why they still need the library.
I show them pictures of fake giant skeletons, I show them pictures of Paris Hilton and Pope John Paul II clubbing in Ibiza.
I try and show them that right now, we need libraries more than ever.
We have reached an age where we can fake reality - who can say what is real.
You need a place that can help you find out what the facts are.
Maybe (at the ripe old age of 30), I'm already a dinosaur.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31662388</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>Psychochild</author>
	<datestamp>1269857640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Were your parents too poor to afford books?  That's kind of the point of the post you're replying to.  If your parents could buy you all the books you wanted to read, then you were lucky.</p><p>See, my parents were too poor to buy books, especially as much as I read when I was young.  My parents were more worried about keeping our home repaired and food on the table than buying me all the science fiction books I wanted to read.  So, they took me to the library and I got to read A LOT.</p><p>I was additionally blessed in that the local library didn't just carry books, but also had computers.  I had a keen interest in computers from playing with them when visiting friends and relatives, and the local library could loan out Commodore 64 computers for a while.  My parents got the computer for me several times.  It was a great way for me to learn about programming without them having to spend money buying the computer.  Yeah, sure, I spent most of my time coding up games (no surprise I'm a game developer today), but it gave me a deep appreciation and love for computer programing that informed my education and career choices.</p><p>I went to college and got a B.S. in Computer Science, a B.A. in Spanish, and a minor in Business all in 5 years if we want to compare degrees.  I might have still gone into CS without getting the computer from the library, but I believe it gave me a huge advantage in figuring out how much I enjoyed technology that playing computers at friends and relatives houses didn't allow me.</p><p>So, even if it doesn't benefit you, don't think its useless to everyone.  To others, it can be a life-changing experience.  It was to me, and it probably would be to some kid today who grows up in a family that can't afford a computer and internet connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Were your parents too poor to afford books ?
That 's kind of the point of the post you 're replying to .
If your parents could buy you all the books you wanted to read , then you were lucky.See , my parents were too poor to buy books , especially as much as I read when I was young .
My parents were more worried about keeping our home repaired and food on the table than buying me all the science fiction books I wanted to read .
So , they took me to the library and I got to read A LOT.I was additionally blessed in that the local library did n't just carry books , but also had computers .
I had a keen interest in computers from playing with them when visiting friends and relatives , and the local library could loan out Commodore 64 computers for a while .
My parents got the computer for me several times .
It was a great way for me to learn about programming without them having to spend money buying the computer .
Yeah , sure , I spent most of my time coding up games ( no surprise I 'm a game developer today ) , but it gave me a deep appreciation and love for computer programing that informed my education and career choices.I went to college and got a B.S .
in Computer Science , a B.A .
in Spanish , and a minor in Business all in 5 years if we want to compare degrees .
I might have still gone into CS without getting the computer from the library , but I believe it gave me a huge advantage in figuring out how much I enjoyed technology that playing computers at friends and relatives houses did n't allow me.So , even if it does n't benefit you , do n't think its useless to everyone .
To others , it can be a life-changing experience .
It was to me , and it probably would be to some kid today who grows up in a family that ca n't afford a computer and internet connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Were your parents too poor to afford books?
That's kind of the point of the post you're replying to.
If your parents could buy you all the books you wanted to read, then you were lucky.See, my parents were too poor to buy books, especially as much as I read when I was young.
My parents were more worried about keeping our home repaired and food on the table than buying me all the science fiction books I wanted to read.
So, they took me to the library and I got to read A LOT.I was additionally blessed in that the local library didn't just carry books, but also had computers.
I had a keen interest in computers from playing with them when visiting friends and relatives, and the local library could loan out Commodore 64 computers for a while.
My parents got the computer for me several times.
It was a great way for me to learn about programming without them having to spend money buying the computer.
Yeah, sure, I spent most of my time coding up games (no surprise I'm a game developer today), but it gave me a deep appreciation and love for computer programing that informed my education and career choices.I went to college and got a B.S.
in Computer Science, a B.A.
in Spanish, and a minor in Business all in 5 years if we want to compare degrees.
I might have still gone into CS without getting the computer from the library, but I believe it gave me a huge advantage in figuring out how much I enjoyed technology that playing computers at friends and relatives houses didn't allow me.So, even if it doesn't benefit you, don't think its useless to everyone.
To others, it can be a life-changing experience.
It was to me, and it probably would be to some kid today who grows up in a family that can't afford a computer and internet connection.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1269872760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You notice we never see stories when libraries want to spend money on graphic novels, or money on subscriptions to teen magazines, or money on the hundreds of other items that are only of interest to a few people.  You're not going to believe this, but libraries in the Chicago system have (gasp!) <i>chessboards</i>!  Call out the Tea Parties!</p><p>But we're supposed to all go into paroxysms of anti-government outrage when a library system wants to buy...games.</p><p>You know how many soldiers $300,000 would train and outfit?  None!  You get ONE KID who comes from a family too poor to buy games and he learns to love games and grows up to start a company that makes games and you've made many times that much money in taxes.</p><p>God <i>damn</i> I am tired of people who've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You notice we never see stories when libraries want to spend money on graphic novels , or money on subscriptions to teen magazines , or money on the hundreds of other items that are only of interest to a few people .
You 're not going to believe this , but libraries in the Chicago system have ( gasp !
) chessboards !
Call out the Tea Parties ! But we 're supposed to all go into paroxysms of anti-government outrage when a library system wants to buy...games.You know how many soldiers $ 300,000 would train and outfit ?
None ! You get ONE KID who comes from a family too poor to buy games and he learns to love games and grows up to start a company that makes games and you 've made many times that much money in taxes.God damn I am tired of people who 've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You notice we never see stories when libraries want to spend money on graphic novels, or money on subscriptions to teen magazines, or money on the hundreds of other items that are only of interest to a few people.
You're not going to believe this, but libraries in the Chicago system have (gasp!
) chessboards!
Call out the Tea Parties!But we're supposed to all go into paroxysms of anti-government outrage when a library system wants to buy...games.You know how many soldiers $300,000 would train and outfit?
None!  You get ONE KID who comes from a family too poor to buy games and he learns to love games and grows up to start a company that makes games and you've made many times that much money in taxes.God damn I am tired of people who've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not really a library.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269873360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries.  Library comes from <i>Liber</i> and refers to "inner bark" or wood, and refers to books made out of trees.  I don't think music, videos and games are made of trees, nor are they rooted in trees.  Maybe they do in the sense of telling stories, but I wouldn't consider half the media today to tell a congruent story.</p></div><p>I guess the question then, is what is a "Library"?</p><p>Literally, I suppose, the word means a place that stores/lends books...  But is that really all a library is?  <i>Just</i> books?</p><p>I guess the question is more what a library is supposed to accomplish...  Is it literally just a storehouse for piles of bound paper?  Is that all we're worried about - just collecting a bunch of paper together?</p><p>To me, it seems, the value was always the information that was stored in the paper.</p><p>Some of it is factual information, which makes the library a good place to do research.  You had access to all sorts of journals and periodicals from all over the country...  Big ol' encyclopedias and things like that...  Various scholarly works on different subjects...</p><p>But some of that information is not factual - it's fiction.  Which is still important because it's part of our collective culture.  Shakespeare has become so deeply embedded in our cultural psyche that it's hard to imagine what the would would be like if he'd never written anything.  And while <i>Twilight</i> certainly isn't quality literature, it does give you an idea of what the cultural landscape looks like these days.</p><p>And if we're worried about preserving both factual material and material with cultural importance...  Then we need to expand our libraries beyond pieces of paper.  Music, movies, and even games are of cultural importance.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries .
Library comes from Liber and refers to " inner bark " or wood , and refers to books made out of trees .
I do n't think music , videos and games are made of trees , nor are they rooted in trees .
Maybe they do in the sense of telling stories , but I would n't consider half the media today to tell a congruent story.I guess the question then , is what is a " Library " ? Literally , I suppose , the word means a place that stores/lends books... But is that really all a library is ?
Just books ? I guess the question is more what a library is supposed to accomplish... Is it literally just a storehouse for piles of bound paper ?
Is that all we 're worried about - just collecting a bunch of paper together ? To me , it seems , the value was always the information that was stored in the paper.Some of it is factual information , which makes the library a good place to do research .
You had access to all sorts of journals and periodicals from all over the country... Big ol ' encyclopedias and things like that... Various scholarly works on different subjects...But some of that information is not factual - it 's fiction .
Which is still important because it 's part of our collective culture .
Shakespeare has become so deeply embedded in our cultural psyche that it 's hard to imagine what the would would be like if he 'd never written anything .
And while Twilight certainly is n't quality literature , it does give you an idea of what the cultural landscape looks like these days.And if we 're worried about preserving both factual material and material with cultural importance... Then we need to expand our libraries beyond pieces of paper .
Music , movies , and even games are of cultural importance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries.
Library comes from Liber and refers to "inner bark" or wood, and refers to books made out of trees.
I don't think music, videos and games are made of trees, nor are they rooted in trees.
Maybe they do in the sense of telling stories, but I wouldn't consider half the media today to tell a congruent story.I guess the question then, is what is a "Library"?Literally, I suppose, the word means a place that stores/lends books...  But is that really all a library is?
Just books?I guess the question is more what a library is supposed to accomplish...  Is it literally just a storehouse for piles of bound paper?
Is that all we're worried about - just collecting a bunch of paper together?To me, it seems, the value was always the information that was stored in the paper.Some of it is factual information, which makes the library a good place to do research.
You had access to all sorts of journals and periodicals from all over the country...  Big ol' encyclopedias and things like that...  Various scholarly works on different subjects...But some of that information is not factual - it's fiction.
Which is still important because it's part of our collective culture.
Shakespeare has become so deeply embedded in our cultural psyche that it's hard to imagine what the would would be like if he'd never written anything.
And while Twilight certainly isn't quality literature, it does give you an idea of what the cultural landscape looks like these days.And if we're worried about preserving both factual material and material with cultural importance...  Then we need to expand our libraries beyond pieces of paper.
Music, movies, and even games are of cultural importance.
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	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>shadowfaxcrx</author>
	<datestamp>1269888840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. When I was a kid, our local library had a software bin. Big ol' ziploc bags with red cardboard protectors in 'em to keep the 5.25 disks from bending when kids took 'em home bungee-corded to the carrier on their bikes. About the only good title they had was Space Rogue. The rest was crap like Project Space Station and Mavis Beacon, but still, the concept wasn't bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
When I was a kid , our local library had a software bin .
Big ol ' ziploc bags with red cardboard protectors in 'em to keep the 5.25 disks from bending when kids took 'em home bungee-corded to the carrier on their bikes .
About the only good title they had was Space Rogue .
The rest was crap like Project Space Station and Mavis Beacon , but still , the concept was n't bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
When I was a kid, our local library had a software bin.
Big ol' ziploc bags with red cardboard protectors in 'em to keep the 5.25 disks from bending when kids took 'em home bungee-corded to the carrier on their bikes.
About the only good title they had was Space Rogue.
The rest was crap like Project Space Station and Mavis Beacon, but still, the concept wasn't bad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656306</id>
	<title>Re:We have video games in our libraries</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1269873960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One day, a new bitchy librarian decided that I wasn't allowed to use the ones with the games on them because they're "for children", even though there are ten of those PCs and hardly any children in there. Norwegians can be like that, but I digress</p></div><p>
Norwegian bureaucracy, yes I am all too familiar with it, being a Norwegian raised abroad. It doesn't matter if there are no children using the children's computers! RULES IS RULES!</p></div>
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<tokenext>One day , a new bitchy librarian decided that I was n't allowed to use the ones with the games on them because they 're " for children " , even though there are ten of those PCs and hardly any children in there .
Norwegians can be like that , but I digress Norwegian bureaucracy , yes I am all too familiar with it , being a Norwegian raised abroad .
It does n't matter if there are no children using the children 's computers !
RULES IS RULES !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One day, a new bitchy librarian decided that I wasn't allowed to use the ones with the games on them because they're "for children", even though there are ten of those PCs and hardly any children in there.
Norwegians can be like that, but I digress
Norwegian bureaucracy, yes I am all too familiar with it, being a Norwegian raised abroad.
It doesn't matter if there are no children using the children's computers!
RULES IS RULES!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31659214</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1269886380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"As the City Councilor of Toronto said about the project, 'It may be the only time a young person comes in. It can act as a magnet to attract people. Once we get them in there, you can be darn sure that our librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer.'"</p><p>That's the most utterly ridiculous thing I've heard in days. In my entire life (of fairly significant library usage) I've never been in a library anywhere and had a librarian "pitch" me stuff I didn't ask for like they're a used car salesman or something. That's not their job, and they have better stuff to do with their time. Totally fucking ridiculous.</p><p>He should've said "it's a slam dunk" instead of "darn sure". That would make it even more convincing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" As the City Councilor of Toronto said about the project , 'It may be the only time a young person comes in .
It can act as a magnet to attract people .
Once we get them in there , you can be darn sure that our librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer .
' " That 's the most utterly ridiculous thing I 've heard in days .
In my entire life ( of fairly significant library usage ) I 've never been in a library anywhere and had a librarian " pitch " me stuff I did n't ask for like they 're a used car salesman or something .
That 's not their job , and they have better stuff to do with their time .
Totally fucking ridiculous.He should 've said " it 's a slam dunk " instead of " darn sure " .
That would make it even more convincing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"As the City Councilor of Toronto said about the project, 'It may be the only time a young person comes in.
It can act as a magnet to attract people.
Once we get them in there, you can be darn sure that our librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer.
'"That's the most utterly ridiculous thing I've heard in days.
In my entire life (of fairly significant library usage) I've never been in a library anywhere and had a librarian "pitch" me stuff I didn't ask for like they're a used car salesman or something.
That's not their job, and they have better stuff to do with their time.
Totally fucking ridiculous.He should've said "it's a slam dunk" instead of "darn sure".
That would make it even more convincing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>How good will the games be?</title>
	<author>Landreville</author>
	<datestamp>1269882060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The libraries are running Linux on their public terminals, so they don't have too many choices for games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The libraries are running Linux on their public terminals , so they do n't have too many choices for games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The libraries are running Linux on their public terminals, so they don't have too many choices for games.</sentencetext>
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	<title>The Netherlands</title>
	<author>Aggrajag</author>
	<datestamp>1269869520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I lived in the Netherlands about ten years ago and my local library had an extensive collection of music and movies (VHS and DVD). In addition they had quite a lot of older PC-games. The best part was their kick ass English book section with a lot of sci-fi and fantasy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I lived in the Netherlands about ten years ago and my local library had an extensive collection of music and movies ( VHS and DVD ) .
In addition they had quite a lot of older PC-games .
The best part was their kick ass English book section with a lot of sci-fi and fantasy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lived in the Netherlands about ten years ago and my local library had an extensive collection of music and movies (VHS and DVD).
In addition they had quite a lot of older PC-games.
The best part was their kick ass English book section with a lot of sci-fi and fantasy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>What about the other kids?</title>
	<author>ionymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>The kids who are already at the library reading books are suddenly going to be tempted by the newly available video games.
<br> <br>
And the statement: "you can be darn sure that out librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer"
Umm.. yeah right.  Because kids who come to the library for free video games to make copies of really give a sh!t what a library has to say to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The kids who are already at the library reading books are suddenly going to be tempted by the newly available video games .
And the statement : " you can be darn sure that out librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer " Umm.. yeah right .
Because kids who come to the library for free video games to make copies of really give a sh ! t what a library has to say to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kids who are already at the library reading books are suddenly going to be tempted by the newly available video games.
And the statement: "you can be darn sure that out librarians will be hard at work to introduce them to everything else the library can offer"
Umm.. yeah right.
Because kids who come to the library for free video games to make copies of really give a sh!t what a library has to say to them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Canada had this years ago...</title>
	<author>tofubeer</author>
	<datestamp>1269883080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess big cities are catching up with the small town I grew up in (in Canada).  Our library had Commodore 64 games to borrow, as well as a reading incentive program: read a book, get a block of time to program in Logo on their computer.  I read a book a day for a time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess big cities are catching up with the small town I grew up in ( in Canada ) .
Our library had Commodore 64 games to borrow , as well as a reading incentive program : read a book , get a block of time to program in Logo on their computer .
I read a book a day for a time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess big cities are catching up with the small town I grew up in (in Canada).
Our library had Commodore 64 games to borrow, as well as a reading incentive program: read a book, get a block of time to program in Logo on their computer.
I read a book a day for a time.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1269877380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>God damn I am tired of people who've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.</p></div></blockquote><p>God damn, I'm tired of people using this as an excuse to justify whatever god damn lame-ass public spending program they can dream up* and tax whomever it takes because they <i>owe</i> it to the rest of the country. And if they don't pay their "fair share" (which is as big as we say it is) they're being unpatriotic <i>leeches</i>. Doubly so for businesses who don't <i>go out of their way</i> to pay the taxes we think they should: how dare they engage in productive activity and make a profit for the people (rich jerks and retirement savings and university endowments alike) who put up billions of dollars to build the factories and warehouses and paid the software engineers to build the IT infrastructure and such. They should pay <i>extra</i> tax to my state because we <i>deserve</i> it and it's <i>fair</i> (*cough* hey north carolina, how's that amazon.com tax doing for ya?)
</p><p>
You know what? You guys had better count your lucky stars that we have as large income inequality in this country as we do, because if we didn't, you'd have to tax <i>normal</i> people out the nose to pay for all of this, and you'd find your party unelectable sooner or later. &lt;/rant&gt;
</p><p>
(* this is not a criticism of this particular proposal, but of the "they owe society" attitude in general).</p></div>
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<tokenext>God damn I am tired of people who 've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.God damn , I 'm tired of people using this as an excuse to justify whatever god damn lame-ass public spending program they can dream up * and tax whomever it takes because they owe it to the rest of the country .
And if they do n't pay their " fair share " ( which is as big as we say it is ) they 're being unpatriotic leeches .
Doubly so for businesses who do n't go out of their way to pay the taxes we think they should : how dare they engage in productive activity and make a profit for the people ( rich jerks and retirement savings and university endowments alike ) who put up billions of dollars to build the factories and warehouses and paid the software engineers to build the IT infrastructure and such .
They should pay extra tax to my state because we deserve it and it 's fair ( * cough * hey north carolina , how 's that amazon.com tax doing for ya ?
) You know what ?
You guys had better count your lucky stars that we have as large income inequality in this country as we do , because if we did n't , you 'd have to tax normal people out the nose to pay for all of this , and you 'd find your party unelectable sooner or later .
( * this is not a criticism of this particular proposal , but of the " they owe society " attitude in general ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God damn I am tired of people who've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.God damn, I'm tired of people using this as an excuse to justify whatever god damn lame-ass public spending program they can dream up* and tax whomever it takes because they owe it to the rest of the country.
And if they don't pay their "fair share" (which is as big as we say it is) they're being unpatriotic leeches.
Doubly so for businesses who don't go out of their way to pay the taxes we think they should: how dare they engage in productive activity and make a profit for the people (rich jerks and retirement savings and university endowments alike) who put up billions of dollars to build the factories and warehouses and paid the software engineers to build the IT infrastructure and such.
They should pay extra tax to my state because we deserve it and it's fair (*cough* hey north carolina, how's that amazon.com tax doing for ya?
)

You know what?
You guys had better count your lucky stars that we have as large income inequality in this country as we do, because if we didn't, you'd have to tax normal people out the nose to pay for all of this, and you'd find your party unelectable sooner or later.
(* this is not a criticism of this particular proposal, but of the "they owe society" attitude in general).
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	<title>Is it enough?</title>
	<author>BumbaCLot</author>
	<datestamp>1269868860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know the library has DVDs and some music for free, but with Redbox having the newest movies for $1 and other game rental services out there, it is almost as expensive driving there with gas as doing something else almost free.</p><p>Not sure this is the best idea but what do I know?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know the library has DVDs and some music for free , but with Redbox having the newest movies for $ 1 and other game rental services out there , it is almost as expensive driving there with gas as doing something else almost free.Not sure this is the best idea but what do I know ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know the library has DVDs and some music for free, but with Redbox having the newest movies for $1 and other game rental services out there, it is almost as expensive driving there with gas as doing something else almost free.Not sure this is the best idea but what do I know?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655514</id>
	<title>Librarian Tactics</title>
	<author>somersault</author>
	<datestamp>1269868980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ooh, Super Mario Brothers! Well, if you like this, you may also like:</p><p>The Encyclopaedia of Plumbing<br>The Mushroom Index: food, fun, or poison?<br>Carnivorous plants of South America<br>The Princess Diaries</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooh , Super Mario Brothers !
Well , if you like this , you may also like : The Encyclopaedia of PlumbingThe Mushroom Index : food , fun , or poison ? Carnivorous plants of South AmericaThe Princess Diaries</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooh, Super Mario Brothers!
Well, if you like this, you may also like:The Encyclopaedia of PlumbingThe Mushroom Index: food, fun, or poison?Carnivorous plants of South AmericaThe Princess Diaries</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is News?</title>
	<author>Fieryphoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1269869340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I've seen video games in my library for a couple years now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen video games in my library for a couple years now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen video games in my library for a couple years now.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:We have video games in our libraries</title>
	<author>eht</author>
	<datestamp>1269872580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am an American Living in America, and my local libraries have video games, mostly Wii, PS3, Xbox360, I have not seen any computer video games. By local libraries I mean 37 in my county alone with the ability to get materials from any library in northern NJ.</p><p><a href="http://mainlib.org/" title="mainlib.org">http://mainlib.org/</a> [mainlib.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an American Living in America , and my local libraries have video games , mostly Wii , PS3 , Xbox360 , I have not seen any computer video games .
By local libraries I mean 37 in my county alone with the ability to get materials from any library in northern NJ.http : //mainlib.org/ [ mainlib.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am an American Living in America, and my local libraries have video games, mostly Wii, PS3, Xbox360, I have not seen any computer video games.
By local libraries I mean 37 in my county alone with the ability to get materials from any library in northern NJ.http://mainlib.org/ [mainlib.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Not really a library.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269868920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries.  Library comes from <i>Liber</i> and refers to "inner bark" or wood, and refers to books made out of trees.  I don't think music, videos and games are made of trees, nor are they rooted in trees.  Maybe they do in the sense of telling stories, but I wouldn't consider half the media today to tell a congruent story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries .
Library comes from Liber and refers to " inner bark " or wood , and refers to books made out of trees .
I do n't think music , videos and games are made of trees , nor are they rooted in trees .
Maybe they do in the sense of telling stories , but I would n't consider half the media today to tell a congruent story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we should stop calling them libraries.
Library comes from Liber and refers to "inner bark" or wood, and refers to books made out of trees.
I don't think music, videos and games are made of trees, nor are they rooted in trees.
Maybe they do in the sense of telling stories, but I wouldn't consider half the media today to tell a congruent story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655586</id>
	<title>We have video games in our libraries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm an American living in Norway and I was shocked to find that my local library has a large collection of Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 games that can be checked out.  They also have a sound-proof room where you can play Guitar Hero and Rock Band, as well as a large collection of contemporary music CDs with everything from Metallica to obscure Norwegian music.  You can listen to them there or check them out.  My wife checked one out and lost it, only finding it several months later and they didn't even make her pay a fee or a late charge.  I've been here a while now but back when I had just moved here and was learning Norwegian, I used to go in and use the computers.  They had children's games with everything from Oregon Trail-type clones to Harry Potter.  It helped me learn vocabulary that wasn't in my books and get a working knowledge of the language, not just the grammatically-correct style that almost no one speaks.  One day, a new bitchy librarian decided that I wasn't allowed to use the ones with the games on them because they're "for children", even though there are ten of those PCs and hardly any children in there.  Norwegians can be like that, but I digress.  I never counted how many PCs they actually have in there, but there are at least 30 for surfing the web, research, or looking through the library's online catalogues.  Interestingly, the ones for games run Windows and all the others run Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an American living in Norway and I was shocked to find that my local library has a large collection of Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 games that can be checked out .
They also have a sound-proof room where you can play Guitar Hero and Rock Band , as well as a large collection of contemporary music CDs with everything from Metallica to obscure Norwegian music .
You can listen to them there or check them out .
My wife checked one out and lost it , only finding it several months later and they did n't even make her pay a fee or a late charge .
I 've been here a while now but back when I had just moved here and was learning Norwegian , I used to go in and use the computers .
They had children 's games with everything from Oregon Trail-type clones to Harry Potter .
It helped me learn vocabulary that was n't in my books and get a working knowledge of the language , not just the grammatically-correct style that almost no one speaks .
One day , a new bitchy librarian decided that I was n't allowed to use the ones with the games on them because they 're " for children " , even though there are ten of those PCs and hardly any children in there .
Norwegians can be like that , but I digress .
I never counted how many PCs they actually have in there , but there are at least 30 for surfing the web , research , or looking through the library 's online catalogues .
Interestingly , the ones for games run Windows and all the others run Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an American living in Norway and I was shocked to find that my local library has a large collection of Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 games that can be checked out.
They also have a sound-proof room where you can play Guitar Hero and Rock Band, as well as a large collection of contemporary music CDs with everything from Metallica to obscure Norwegian music.
You can listen to them there or check them out.
My wife checked one out and lost it, only finding it several months later and they didn't even make her pay a fee or a late charge.
I've been here a while now but back when I had just moved here and was learning Norwegian, I used to go in and use the computers.
They had children's games with everything from Oregon Trail-type clones to Harry Potter.
It helped me learn vocabulary that wasn't in my books and get a working knowledge of the language, not just the grammatically-correct style that almost no one speaks.
One day, a new bitchy librarian decided that I wasn't allowed to use the ones with the games on them because they're "for children", even though there are ten of those PCs and hardly any children in there.
Norwegians can be like that, but I digress.
I never counted how many PCs they actually have in there, but there are at least 30 for surfing the web, research, or looking through the library's online catalogues.
Interestingly, the ones for games run Windows and all the others run Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31661814</id>
	<title>Finally!!!</title>
	<author>richaemry</author>
	<datestamp>1269855060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been badgering our public library here to check out games for years! This is a huge step forward in the evolution of the library. The student government at the University of North Texas was able to finally convince the administration to check out console games about a year ago while I was finishing my undergrad, and The University of Texas at Arlington soon followed suit. It is a good thing to try and bring normal non library fairing folk into the public library. There are a whole lot of people who cannot afford games for that PS2 they bought at a garage sale, and this provides the exact public service libraries were designed to give.</p><p>After just renting games for a few months the patrons will probably move to checking out movies, and then be drawn in by one of the programs geared to getting people reading and begin checking out books. It is in the best interest of a government to keep its people well rounded and well informed. This program will draw many people who would have never set foot into the library inside the halls of knowledge. It will expose a new generation to something more than just the copies of HALOx they come to borrow. It will get people reading more, and reading will cause those people to be better informed citizens, and make children into better students. This is a good thing, and should be viewed as such.</p><p>People who have never set foot in a library don't understand the magic that happens inside of one. You see people of all ages becoming part of the great conversation of human existence. You see people transported to far off lands, and others discovering new science, and still others finding their political voice. And all of that is FREE. This library is going to give the gift of the grand conversation to a new group of people who have not yet experienced it. That is a good thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been badgering our public library here to check out games for years !
This is a huge step forward in the evolution of the library .
The student government at the University of North Texas was able to finally convince the administration to check out console games about a year ago while I was finishing my undergrad , and The University of Texas at Arlington soon followed suit .
It is a good thing to try and bring normal non library fairing folk into the public library .
There are a whole lot of people who can not afford games for that PS2 they bought at a garage sale , and this provides the exact public service libraries were designed to give.After just renting games for a few months the patrons will probably move to checking out movies , and then be drawn in by one of the programs geared to getting people reading and begin checking out books .
It is in the best interest of a government to keep its people well rounded and well informed .
This program will draw many people who would have never set foot into the library inside the halls of knowledge .
It will expose a new generation to something more than just the copies of HALOx they come to borrow .
It will get people reading more , and reading will cause those people to be better informed citizens , and make children into better students .
This is a good thing , and should be viewed as such.People who have never set foot in a library do n't understand the magic that happens inside of one .
You see people of all ages becoming part of the great conversation of human existence .
You see people transported to far off lands , and others discovering new science , and still others finding their political voice .
And all of that is FREE .
This library is going to give the gift of the grand conversation to a new group of people who have not yet experienced it .
That is a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been badgering our public library here to check out games for years!
This is a huge step forward in the evolution of the library.
The student government at the University of North Texas was able to finally convince the administration to check out console games about a year ago while I was finishing my undergrad, and The University of Texas at Arlington soon followed suit.
It is a good thing to try and bring normal non library fairing folk into the public library.
There are a whole lot of people who cannot afford games for that PS2 they bought at a garage sale, and this provides the exact public service libraries were designed to give.After just renting games for a few months the patrons will probably move to checking out movies, and then be drawn in by one of the programs geared to getting people reading and begin checking out books.
It is in the best interest of a government to keep its people well rounded and well informed.
This program will draw many people who would have never set foot into the library inside the halls of knowledge.
It will expose a new generation to something more than just the copies of HALOx they come to borrow.
It will get people reading more, and reading will cause those people to be better informed citizens, and make children into better students.
This is a good thing, and should be viewed as such.People who have never set foot in a library don't understand the magic that happens inside of one.
You see people of all ages becoming part of the great conversation of human existence.
You see people transported to far off lands, and others discovering new science, and still others finding their political voice.
And all of that is FREE.
This library is going to give the gift of the grand conversation to a new group of people who have not yet experienced it.
That is a good thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655756</id>
	<title>Re:Good idea</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1269870720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... have they heard about DRM?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um .... have they heard about DRM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um .... have they heard about DRM?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31662572</id>
	<title>Not with MY tax dollars</title>
	<author>kackle</author>
	<datestamp>1269858300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And *I'm* tired of people thinking that we should all hold hands under a rainbow, singing "Kumbaya" while everyone shares their hard-earned dollars with everyone else for whatever dumbass purpose people come up with, whether you want to or not.<br> <br>

I like video games but don't want the libraries to turn into "Fun Zones", that's what arcades are for.  I am not fond of the fact that they have movies either, that's what Blockbuster is for.  Where do we draw the line?  Certainly before VIDEO GAMES...  Hell, I want libraries to give me all the free sheet music I could ever want.  And I want them to provide me with picture puzzles, and electronics kits, and battery-operated board games, VR entertainment, borrowable laptops, etc., etc.  Gimme an f'ing break...<br> <br>

I think it is wasteful to try to "attract" people/kids to the library.  Libraries should be for intellectualism, not teenie-bopper hangouts and disguised day care.  When you folks leave your parent's basement and start actually paying property taxes, then I'll consider your opinions on us becoming everyone's entertainment subsidy.  In the meantime, I'm reading that my local libraries are running Mario Kart tournaments(!) when they are already complaining that their facilities are too small and want more taxes to build new structures.  Isn't it obvious, handling MORE things/media costs everyone MORE money?<br> <br>

Does anyone think ahead anymore?  Does anyone want to keep any of their own money to protect their own future anymore?  Or are they just planning on getting it from the library?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And * I 'm * tired of people thinking that we should all hold hands under a rainbow , singing " Kumbaya " while everyone shares their hard-earned dollars with everyone else for whatever dumbass purpose people come up with , whether you want to or not .
I like video games but do n't want the libraries to turn into " Fun Zones " , that 's what arcades are for .
I am not fond of the fact that they have movies either , that 's what Blockbuster is for .
Where do we draw the line ?
Certainly before VIDEO GAMES... Hell , I want libraries to give me all the free sheet music I could ever want .
And I want them to provide me with picture puzzles , and electronics kits , and battery-operated board games , VR entertainment , borrowable laptops , etc. , etc .
Gim me an f'ing break.. . I think it is wasteful to try to " attract " people/kids to the library .
Libraries should be for intellectualism , not teenie-bopper hangouts and disguised day care .
When you folks leave your parent 's basement and start actually paying property taxes , then I 'll consider your opinions on us becoming everyone 's entertainment subsidy .
In the meantime , I 'm reading that my local libraries are running Mario Kart tournaments ( !
) when they are already complaining that their facilities are too small and want more taxes to build new structures .
Is n't it obvious , handling MORE things/media costs everyone MORE money ?
Does anyone think ahead anymore ?
Does anyone want to keep any of their own money to protect their own future anymore ?
Or are they just planning on getting it from the library ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And *I'm* tired of people thinking that we should all hold hands under a rainbow, singing "Kumbaya" while everyone shares their hard-earned dollars with everyone else for whatever dumbass purpose people come up with, whether you want to or not.
I like video games but don't want the libraries to turn into "Fun Zones", that's what arcades are for.
I am not fond of the fact that they have movies either, that's what Blockbuster is for.
Where do we draw the line?
Certainly before VIDEO GAMES...  Hell, I want libraries to give me all the free sheet music I could ever want.
And I want them to provide me with picture puzzles, and electronics kits, and battery-operated board games, VR entertainment, borrowable laptops, etc., etc.
Gimme an f'ing break... 

I think it is wasteful to try to "attract" people/kids to the library.
Libraries should be for intellectualism, not teenie-bopper hangouts and disguised day care.
When you folks leave your parent's basement and start actually paying property taxes, then I'll consider your opinions on us becoming everyone's entertainment subsidy.
In the meantime, I'm reading that my local libraries are running Mario Kart tournaments(!
) when they are already complaining that their facilities are too small and want more taxes to build new structures.
Isn't it obvious, handling MORE things/media costs everyone MORE money?
Does anyone think ahead anymore?
Does anyone want to keep any of their own money to protect their own future anymore?
Or are they just planning on getting it from the library?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657600</id>
	<title>One City Councilor...</title>
	<author>halcyon1234</author>
	<datestamp>1269879360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A link to a blog with no sources or names. Great.</p><p>Here's a link to <a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/784282--coming-to-toronto-s-libraries-video-games" title="thestar.com">the actual story</a> [thestar.com] with things like <b>details</b> </p><p>Some notes:</p><ol>
<li>It isn't "The City Councilor".  This is <b>ONE</b> city councilor. There are 44 of them. This has been pitched by one (Adam Vaughan). This is like one senator saying "We should do something about Washington's birthday", and being reported as "US Government Changes Washington's Birthday"</li><li>Mr. Vaughan sits on (amongst other boards) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam\_Vaughan" title="wikipedia.org">The Library Board</a> [wikipedia.org]. So is it any surprise he's pitching a radical plan for more money for libraries?</li><li>TFA: "Right now, this is a plan, not a reality," Pyper [chief librarian of the Toronto Public Library] said.</li></ol><p>So: Proposed idea from one guy, that isn't going to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A link to a blog with no sources or names .
Great.Here 's a link to the actual story [ thestar.com ] with things like details Some notes : It is n't " The City Councilor " .
This is ONE city councilor .
There are 44 of them .
This has been pitched by one ( Adam Vaughan ) .
This is like one senator saying " We should do something about Washington 's birthday " , and being reported as " US Government Changes Washington 's Birthday " Mr. Vaughan sits on ( amongst other boards ) The Library Board [ wikipedia.org ] .
So is it any surprise he 's pitching a radical plan for more money for libraries ? TFA : " Right now , this is a plan , not a reality , " Pyper [ chief librarian of the Toronto Public Library ] said.So : Proposed idea from one guy , that is n't going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A link to a blog with no sources or names.
Great.Here's a link to the actual story [thestar.com] with things like details Some notes:
It isn't "The City Councilor".
This is ONE city councilor.
There are 44 of them.
This has been pitched by one (Adam Vaughan).
This is like one senator saying "We should do something about Washington's birthday", and being reported as "US Government Changes Washington's Birthday"Mr. Vaughan sits on (amongst other boards) The Library Board [wikipedia.org].
So is it any surprise he's pitching a radical plan for more money for libraries?TFA: "Right now, this is a plan, not a reality," Pyper [chief librarian of the Toronto Public Library] said.So: Proposed idea from one guy, that isn't going to happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31671928</id>
	<title>Libraries are dead; long live media centers</title>
	<author>minstrelmike</author>
	<datestamp>1269967560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't call them libraries any more, the are media centers. The word 'library' is too book-centered. Modern films tell stories in as good a way as many books do. Games will probably be the next big media for learning. (Games are now at the level of the early silent films).<br> <br>
Media centers provide access and instructions for accessing media, some of which contains valuable knowledge but most of which is garbage, kind of like the world wide web and the meat-space civilization it stands for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't call them libraries any more , the are media centers .
The word 'library ' is too book-centered .
Modern films tell stories in as good a way as many books do .
Games will probably be the next big media for learning .
( Games are now at the level of the early silent films ) .
Media centers provide access and instructions for accessing media , some of which contains valuable knowledge but most of which is garbage , kind of like the world wide web and the meat-space civilization it stands for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't call them libraries any more, the are media centers.
The word 'library' is too book-centered.
Modern films tell stories in as good a way as many books do.
Games will probably be the next big media for learning.
(Games are now at the level of the early silent films).
Media centers provide access and instructions for accessing media, some of which contains valuable knowledge but most of which is garbage, kind of like the world wide web and the meat-space civilization it stands for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655620</id>
	<title>Re:Not really a library.</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1269869640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What do you mean, games and movies don't tell stories? Storytelling is the main driving force behind games nowadays, even on the consoles and even the mainstream ones, and they're often quite complex too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean , games and movies do n't tell stories ?
Storytelling is the main driving force behind games nowadays , even on the consoles and even the mainstream ones , and they 're often quite complex too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean, games and movies don't tell stories?
Storytelling is the main driving force behind games nowadays, even on the consoles and even the mainstream ones, and they're often quite complex too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31659934</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly probably a good idea,</title>
	<author>linzeal</author>
	<datestamp>1269889440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You think that is sad, you should see University libraries.  It is has the distinction of being one of the places that shows the still large financial disparities between students on campus.  Larger educational institutions will have 'study areas' spread throughout the campus as well as one main library and one or two research libraries; however, if you go into the main library on any given day 90\% of the use are lower income students working on their homework and surfing the web.   The research libraries are not falling as quickly mostly because most state-run universities can't afford all the best electronic catalogs of current research journals, but that is changing pretty rapidly too.  I know the Ebscohost database has actually been increasing the amount of journals in its middle and upper tier packages for some time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You think that is sad , you should see University libraries .
It is has the distinction of being one of the places that shows the still large financial disparities between students on campus .
Larger educational institutions will have 'study areas ' spread throughout the campus as well as one main library and one or two research libraries ; however , if you go into the main library on any given day 90 \ % of the use are lower income students working on their homework and surfing the web .
The research libraries are not falling as quickly mostly because most state-run universities ca n't afford all the best electronic catalogs of current research journals , but that is changing pretty rapidly too .
I know the Ebscohost database has actually been increasing the amount of journals in its middle and upper tier packages for some time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think that is sad, you should see University libraries.
It is has the distinction of being one of the places that shows the still large financial disparities between students on campus.
Larger educational institutions will have 'study areas' spread throughout the campus as well as one main library and one or two research libraries; however, if you go into the main library on any given day 90\% of the use are lower income students working on their homework and surfing the web.
The research libraries are not falling as quickly mostly because most state-run universities can't afford all the best electronic catalogs of current research journals, but that is changing pretty rapidly too.
I know the Ebscohost database has actually been increasing the amount of journals in its middle and upper tier packages for some time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658434</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly probably a good idea,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269882660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh dang, this is so wrong. The urban public libraries I am use (four North American cities) are busy, and only seem to be getting busier. People come for a study carrel and wifi access, a paperback (or magazine) and an comfortable chair, internet browsing on a public terminal, activities such as computer games or children's play areas, along with access to art books, maps, comics, music and film on CD, DVD, etc. Librarians are having a great time spending less time shelving books and more time playing with technology. Maybe your experience is true in the suburbs, but I would argue that the suburbs are becoming increasingly less relevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh dang , this is so wrong .
The urban public libraries I am use ( four North American cities ) are busy , and only seem to be getting busier .
People come for a study carrel and wifi access , a paperback ( or magazine ) and an comfortable chair , internet browsing on a public terminal , activities such as computer games or children 's play areas , along with access to art books , maps , comics , music and film on CD , DVD , etc .
Librarians are having a great time spending less time shelving books and more time playing with technology .
Maybe your experience is true in the suburbs , but I would argue that the suburbs are becoming increasingly less relevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh dang, this is so wrong.
The urban public libraries I am use (four North American cities) are busy, and only seem to be getting busier.
People come for a study carrel and wifi access, a paperback (or magazine) and an comfortable chair, internet browsing on a public terminal, activities such as computer games or children's play areas, along with access to art books, maps, comics, music and film on CD, DVD, etc.
Librarians are having a great time spending less time shelving books and more time playing with technology.
Maybe your experience is true in the suburbs, but I would argue that the suburbs are becoming increasingly less relevant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655918</id>
	<title>I suspect that part of the reason American kids...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... do so bad in school and are getting so fat is they are spending their time play video games.  The time they might be exercising and reading.  I expect that it also is rewiring the way their minds work, but I have no proof of this.</p><p>Of course, it will  prepare them for a future as drone pilots in the Air Force.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... do so bad in school and are getting so fat is they are spending their time play video games .
The time they might be exercising and reading .
I expect that it also is rewiring the way their minds work , but I have no proof of this.Of course , it will prepare them for a future as drone pilots in the Air Force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... do so bad in school and are getting so fat is they are spending their time play video games.
The time they might be exercising and reading.
I expect that it also is rewiring the way their minds work, but I have no proof of this.Of course, it will  prepare them for a future as drone pilots in the Air Force.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655610</id>
	<title>Call me conservative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I hate the idea of tax money going to frivolous things like this. Personally, I can't stand that my library lends DVDs and music too. Public libraries, in my opinion, should solely be about self-improvement and betterment. Books, movies, and music should be classics, self-help, technical, etc. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have the library just be a surrogate Blockbuster/Netflix/Gamefly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I hate the idea of tax money going to frivolous things like this .
Personally , I ca n't stand that my library lends DVDs and music too .
Public libraries , in my opinion , should solely be about self-improvement and betterment .
Books , movies , and music should be classics , self-help , technical , etc .
It does n't make a lot of sense to have the library just be a surrogate Blockbuster/Netflix/Gamefly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I hate the idea of tax money going to frivolous things like this.
Personally, I can't stand that my library lends DVDs and music too.
Public libraries, in my opinion, should solely be about self-improvement and betterment.
Books, movies, and music should be classics, self-help, technical, etc.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to have the library just be a surrogate Blockbuster/Netflix/Gamefly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658538</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269883200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><i> never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life, and I seem to have made out okay (engineer - two degrees). And now that we have the internet, such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books (or just read wikipedia), the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.</i> <p>

I'm not sure if you're an idiot or a troll<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I simply do not believe you can have earned two degrees, in any subject, without entering a library. Or is there some catch, your university library is not "government funded"? And since when is Wikipedia a citeable source for any academic work?</p><p>

On reflection, I'm leaning more to "troll".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life , and I seem to have made out okay ( engineer - two degrees ) .
And now that we have the internet , such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books ( or just read wikipedia ) , the government-funded libraries are even less necessary .
I 'm not sure if you 're an idiot or a troll ... I simply do not believe you can have earned two degrees , in any subject , without entering a library .
Or is there some catch , your university library is not " government funded " ?
And since when is Wikipedia a citeable source for any academic work ?
On reflection , I 'm leaning more to " troll " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life, and I seem to have made out okay (engineer - two degrees).
And now that we have the internet, such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books (or just read wikipedia), the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.
I'm not sure if you're an idiot or a troll ... I simply do not believe you can have earned two degrees, in any subject, without entering a library.
Or is there some catch, your university library is not "government funded"?
And since when is Wikipedia a citeable source for any academic work?
On reflection, I'm leaning more to "troll".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655730</id>
	<title>They're *public* libraries</title>
	<author>Peter Simpson</author>
	<datestamp>1269870480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Funded by your taxes and responsive to the wants and needs of the community.  If you don't like the mix of resources available, join the board of your public library and advocate for change.</p><p>I'd say anything that gets kids in the door of a library is a good thing.  Who knows what they'll pick up to read while waiting for a turn at the video game?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funded by your taxes and responsive to the wants and needs of the community .
If you do n't like the mix of resources available , join the board of your public library and advocate for change.I 'd say anything that gets kids in the door of a library is a good thing .
Who knows what they 'll pick up to read while waiting for a turn at the video game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funded by your taxes and responsive to the wants and needs of the community.
If you don't like the mix of resources available, join the board of your public library and advocate for change.I'd say anything that gets kids in the door of a library is a good thing.
Who knows what they'll pick up to read while waiting for a turn at the video game?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656630</id>
	<title>Re:DRM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269875280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Well, when it comes to PC games this may be an issue.  But my guess is they're going to lean towards console games.  I know of only one or two console games that can't be passed person to person and be fully featured.  Sites like GameFly and BlockBuster Online already do this with no issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , when it comes to PC games this may be an issue .
But my guess is they 're going to lean towards console games .
I know of only one or two console games that ca n't be passed person to person and be fully featured .
Sites like GameFly and BlockBuster Online already do this with no issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, when it comes to PC games this may be an issue.
But my guess is they're going to lean towards console games.
I know of only one or two console games that can't be passed person to person and be fully featured.
Sites like GameFly and BlockBuster Online already do this with no issues.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657284</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>goodtrick</author>
	<datestamp>1269878160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Wow, you are actually proud that you have never entered a public library?
<p>
I assume you got your degrees from private universities?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you are actually proud that you have never entered a public library ?
I assume you got your degrees from private universities ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you are actually proud that you have never entered a public library?
I assume you got your degrees from private universities?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655512</id>
	<title>Sounds like a good idea to me</title>
	<author>Pazy</author>
	<datestamp>1269868980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Im all for this idea, hopefully it will go some way towards people seeing Video Games as another medium the same as a film or book. It was only a few years ago that my local library started lending out DVDs (with a price but one much smaller than a rental store) and I know that at least in the beginning it brought in some young people to rent DVD's and it gave a small trickle over to the lending of books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Im all for this idea , hopefully it will go some way towards people seeing Video Games as another medium the same as a film or book .
It was only a few years ago that my local library started lending out DVDs ( with a price but one much smaller than a rental store ) and I know that at least in the beginning it brought in some young people to rent DVD 's and it gave a small trickle over to the lending of books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im all for this idea, hopefully it will go some way towards people seeing Video Games as another medium the same as a film or book.
It was only a few years ago that my local library started lending out DVDs (with a price but one much smaller than a rental store) and I know that at least in the beginning it brought in some young people to rent DVD's and it gave a small trickle over to the lending of books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655720</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269870420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But I hate the idea of tax money going to frivolous things like this. Personally, I can't stand that my library lends DVDs and music too. Public libraries, in my opinion, should solely be about self-improvement and betterment. Books, movies, and music should be classics, self-help, technical, etc. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have the library just be a surrogate Blockbuster/Netflix/Gamefly.</p></div><p>Which would exclude pretty much every crime, romance, drama... all fiction books, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I hate the idea of tax money going to frivolous things like this .
Personally , I ca n't stand that my library lends DVDs and music too .
Public libraries , in my opinion , should solely be about self-improvement and betterment .
Books , movies , and music should be classics , self-help , technical , etc .
It does n't make a lot of sense to have the library just be a surrogate Blockbuster/Netflix/Gamefly.Which would exclude pretty much every crime , romance , drama... all fiction books , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I hate the idea of tax money going to frivolous things like this.
Personally, I can't stand that my library lends DVDs and music too.
Public libraries, in my opinion, should solely be about self-improvement and betterment.
Books, movies, and music should be classics, self-help, technical, etc.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to have the library just be a surrogate Blockbuster/Netflix/Gamefly.Which would exclude pretty much every crime, romance, drama... all fiction books, right?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657196</id>
	<title>And?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269877800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My response would be, what's the big deal?</p><p>I know for a fact that it's almost universally accepted in places such as Britain that public libraries will stock computer games, DVDs and even CDs. The don't usually rent them out for free like they do with books, instead they charge a small fee. Enough to pay for the item in the long run, but still less than Netflix or Blockbuster would charge for the same rental.</p><p>It's a great idea.</p><p>They should have M titles, too. Over 18s use libraries, too, you know. It's not like they will be handed over to kids. Just put them on a different shelf to the children's title. Libraries carry art books with pictures of naked people in them, and they carry history books with images of graphic violence in them such as piles of bodies in the Nazi death camps. It's common sense not to allow a 5 year old to take them out. The same is true for games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My response would be , what 's the big deal ? I know for a fact that it 's almost universally accepted in places such as Britain that public libraries will stock computer games , DVDs and even CDs .
The do n't usually rent them out for free like they do with books , instead they charge a small fee .
Enough to pay for the item in the long run , but still less than Netflix or Blockbuster would charge for the same rental.It 's a great idea.They should have M titles , too .
Over 18s use libraries , too , you know .
It 's not like they will be handed over to kids .
Just put them on a different shelf to the children 's title .
Libraries carry art books with pictures of naked people in them , and they carry history books with images of graphic violence in them such as piles of bodies in the Nazi death camps .
It 's common sense not to allow a 5 year old to take them out .
The same is true for games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My response would be, what's the big deal?I know for a fact that it's almost universally accepted in places such as Britain that public libraries will stock computer games, DVDs and even CDs.
The don't usually rent them out for free like they do with books, instead they charge a small fee.
Enough to pay for the item in the long run, but still less than Netflix or Blockbuster would charge for the same rental.It's a great idea.They should have M titles, too.
Over 18s use libraries, too, you know.
It's not like they will be handed over to kids.
Just put them on a different shelf to the children's title.
Libraries carry art books with pictures of naked people in them, and they carry history books with images of graphic violence in them such as piles of bodies in the Nazi death camps.
It's common sense not to allow a 5 year old to take them out.
The same is true for games.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656720</id>
	<title>Re:Good idea, but...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269875700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>And that is exactly why you should do what ever you can to get as many games as possible into the library. If you want someone champing fair use to the industry, you couldn't do better the librarians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that is exactly why you should do what ever you can to get as many games as possible into the library .
If you want someone champing fair use to the industry , you could n't do better the librarians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that is exactly why you should do what ever you can to get as many games as possible into the library.
If you want someone champing fair use to the industry, you couldn't do better the librarians.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657506</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>RJFerret</author>
	<datestamp>1269879000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Don't presume it's tax dollars.  At a large library here, they are no longer buying DVDs in favor of Bluray because the donor who provides money for the video collection now wants Bluray.</p><p>Also don't forget, the form of media delivery doesn't impact it's value of "self-improvement and betterment".</p><p>Libraries were formed as surrogate book stores, specifically to bring content to a wider audience.  They are currently in a significant shift as their patrons are demanding fewer books and more online/electronic resources.  To stay relevant, they need to cater to the demands of their tax/donor base since they aren't their own bosses, you are their patron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't presume it 's tax dollars .
At a large library here , they are no longer buying DVDs in favor of Bluray because the donor who provides money for the video collection now wants Bluray.Also do n't forget , the form of media delivery does n't impact it 's value of " self-improvement and betterment " .Libraries were formed as surrogate book stores , specifically to bring content to a wider audience .
They are currently in a significant shift as their patrons are demanding fewer books and more online/electronic resources .
To stay relevant , they need to cater to the demands of their tax/donor base since they are n't their own bosses , you are their patron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't presume it's tax dollars.
At a large library here, they are no longer buying DVDs in favor of Bluray because the donor who provides money for the video collection now wants Bluray.Also don't forget, the form of media delivery doesn't impact it's value of "self-improvement and betterment".Libraries were formed as surrogate book stores, specifically to bring content to a wider audience.
They are currently in a significant shift as their patrons are demanding fewer books and more online/electronic resources.
To stay relevant, they need to cater to the demands of their tax/donor base since they aren't their own bosses, you are their patron.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655526</id>
	<title>Wait what, this is new?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Back in the early '90ies, I got loads of games from the public city library in my home town. It was especially great for adventure games, because they have a limited replay value anyway. And my library got all the CD-ROM versions, which meant you could get full speech on games like Day of the Tentacle, which was awesome of course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the early '90ies , I got loads of games from the public city library in my home town .
It was especially great for adventure games , because they have a limited replay value anyway .
And my library got all the CD-ROM versions , which meant you could get full speech on games like Day of the Tentacle , which was awesome of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the early '90ies, I got loads of games from the public city library in my home town.
It was especially great for adventure games, because they have a limited replay value anyway.
And my library got all the CD-ROM versions, which meant you could get full speech on games like Day of the Tentacle, which was awesome of course.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655838</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1269871380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We won't call you "conservative," we'll just call you short-sighted and ill-informed.</p><p>The "classics" for which you pine were once upon a time a previous generation's pop culture, in very many cases.  And I wish I had a dollar for every kid who picked up a copy of Bullfinch or Hamilton after playing a game in the "God of War" series -- or watching a season of Xena, for that matter.</p><p>Culture is one long conversation, the present building upon the past, creating the shapers of its future.  Guys like you who want to pick, choose, and control aren't enabling Art, you're obstructing her.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We wo n't call you " conservative , " we 'll just call you short-sighted and ill-informed.The " classics " for which you pine were once upon a time a previous generation 's pop culture , in very many cases .
And I wish I had a dollar for every kid who picked up a copy of Bullfinch or Hamilton after playing a game in the " God of War " series -- or watching a season of Xena , for that matter.Culture is one long conversation , the present building upon the past , creating the shapers of its future .
Guys like you who want to pick , choose , and control are n't enabling Art , you 're obstructing her .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We won't call you "conservative," we'll just call you short-sighted and ill-informed.The "classics" for which you pine were once upon a time a previous generation's pop culture, in very many cases.
And I wish I had a dollar for every kid who picked up a copy of Bullfinch or Hamilton after playing a game in the "God of War" series -- or watching a season of Xena, for that matter.Culture is one long conversation, the present building upon the past, creating the shapers of its future.
Guys like you who want to pick, choose, and control aren't enabling Art, you're obstructing her.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658380</id>
	<title>I'm sure Dubai and UAE have nice libraries too...</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1269882480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...as an American living in Norway, you ARE aware that Norway is a state awash in petrodollars, yes?</p><p>It pretty much destroys the point I think you were trying to make, ie "lookit all the cool stuff they have in their libraries, they don't even charge late fees!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...as an American living in Norway , you ARE aware that Norway is a state awash in petrodollars , yes ? It pretty much destroys the point I think you were trying to make , ie " lookit all the cool stuff they have in their libraries , they do n't even charge late fees ! !
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<sentencetext>...as an American living in Norway, you ARE aware that Norway is a state awash in petrodollars, yes?It pretty much destroys the point I think you were trying to make, ie "lookit all the cool stuff they have in their libraries, they don't even charge late fees!!
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	<title>Re:Most morris county has no games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269873600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>First, most libraries in Morris County do not have video games. I have been to alot of them like Wharton, Boonton, Rockaway, Morristown, Mt. Olive, Dover, Roxbury, etc., and I do not recall seeing video games at any of them. Of course I do not bother to look for non-book materials since I cannot loan them out except in my home town of Dover and I am not a gamer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , most libraries in Morris County do not have video games .
I have been to alot of them like Wharton , Boonton , Rockaway , Morristown , Mt .
Olive , Dover , Roxbury , etc. , and I do not recall seeing video games at any of them .
Of course I do not bother to look for non-book materials since I can not loan them out except in my home town of Dover and I am not a gamer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, most libraries in Morris County do not have video games.
I have been to alot of them like Wharton, Boonton, Rockaway, Morristown, Mt.
Olive, Dover, Roxbury, etc., and I do not recall seeing video games at any of them.
Of course I do not bother to look for non-book materials since I cannot loan them out except in my home town of Dover and I am not a gamer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655996</id>
	<title>Re:Settle the financial crisis before free games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My (not-so-humble) opinion: Investing in education (money spent on public libraries I would certainly classify as such) is ALWAYS a good idea. Having a well educated population might even help in the long run with problems controlling finances and so on. Especially when the sums involved are so small. $300k? Without this huge sum the budget would be balanced? When on the other hand it might pull in a handful of kids who would never otherwise have stepped into a library...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My ( not-so-humble ) opinion : Investing in education ( money spent on public libraries I would certainly classify as such ) is ALWAYS a good idea .
Having a well educated population might even help in the long run with problems controlling finances and so on .
Especially when the sums involved are so small .
$ 300k ? Without this huge sum the budget would be balanced ?
When on the other hand it might pull in a handful of kids who would never otherwise have stepped into a library.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My (not-so-humble) opinion: Investing in education (money spent on public libraries I would certainly classify as such) is ALWAYS a good idea.
Having a well educated population might even help in the long run with problems controlling finances and so on.
Especially when the sums involved are so small.
$300k? Without this huge sum the budget would be balanced?
When on the other hand it might pull in a handful of kids who would never otherwise have stepped into a library...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657622</id>
	<title>Re:Worked at our local library.</title>
	<author>RJFerret</author>
	<datestamp>1269879420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The library of a friend of mine loans out not just games, but entire game systems.  I'm not sure if teens check it out as much as older people, or which department it's kept in.  I kind of doubt they're kept in the teen department where general circulation might miss them.</p><p>eReaders too, despite being in violation of the user agreement for one big name reader, who of course has gained many sales after patrons try it and subsequently buy their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The library of a friend of mine loans out not just games , but entire game systems .
I 'm not sure if teens check it out as much as older people , or which department it 's kept in .
I kind of doubt they 're kept in the teen department where general circulation might miss them.eReaders too , despite being in violation of the user agreement for one big name reader , who of course has gained many sales after patrons try it and subsequently buy their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The library of a friend of mine loans out not just games, but entire game systems.
I'm not sure if teens check it out as much as older people, or which department it's kept in.
I kind of doubt they're kept in the teen department where general circulation might miss them.eReaders too, despite being in violation of the user agreement for one big name reader, who of course has gained many sales after patrons try it and subsequently buy their own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655474</id>
	<title>Good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269868680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go Canada!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go Canada !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go Canada!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Toronto != Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269876180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is this classed under Canada? This is only one city.<br>So tomorrow when New York City or Los Angeles plan something, will the headline read United States plans ****?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this classed under Canada ?
This is only one city.So tomorrow when New York City or Los Angeles plan something , will the headline read United States plans * * * * ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this classed under Canada?
This is only one city.So tomorrow when New York City or Los Angeles plan something, will the headline read United States plans ****?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656512</id>
	<title>Re:We have video games in our libraries</title>
	<author>Simonetta</author>
	<datestamp>1269874860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  I am an Oregonian living in pre-secessionist Cascadia/Ecotopia.   Our libraries have books, DVDs, audio CDs, graphic novels/zines, newspapers, magazines, broadband web access, and Wi-Fi. No musical instruments, electronics, software, or games.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Our libraries are crowded with people from all over the world.  Trying to learn how to live and thrive in their new country.  After our separation from the USA, which will probably happen within twenty years, I hope that they choose to stay with us.  Even if it is difficult during the transition years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an Oregonian living in pre-secessionist Cascadia/Ecotopia .
Our libraries have books , DVDs , audio CDs , graphic novels/zines , newspapers , magazines , broadband web access , and Wi-Fi .
No musical instruments , electronics , software , or games .
    Our libraries are crowded with people from all over the world .
Trying to learn how to live and thrive in their new country .
After our separation from the USA , which will probably happen within twenty years , I hope that they choose to stay with us .
Even if it is difficult during the transition years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  I am an Oregonian living in pre-secessionist Cascadia/Ecotopia.
Our libraries have books, DVDs, audio CDs, graphic novels/zines, newspapers, magazines, broadband web access, and Wi-Fi.
No musical instruments, electronics, software, or games.
    Our libraries are crowded with people from all over the world.
Trying to learn how to live and thrive in their new country.
After our separation from the USA, which will probably happen within twenty years, I hope that they choose to stay with us.
Even if it is difficult during the transition years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655450</id>
	<title>Excellent example....</title>
	<author>vikingpower</author>
	<datestamp>1269868560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... of public money well spent. Thumbs up, Toronto !</htmltext>
<tokenext>... of public money well spent .
Thumbs up , Toronto !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... of public money well spent.
Thumbs up, Toronto !</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31660392</id>
	<title>The problem...</title>
	<author>intjgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269891660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Our local library already buys  games for young children and let's you borrow them for several days for free!  The first time we found out about this my kids were ecstatic when they saw the selection of well known childrens character based games (ie Dora the Explorer...etc..), but when we got home and tried to play them the crying began.... not even one of the games we borrowed was usable... every single disc was scratched horribly.  I was able to repair one myself using the toothpaste trick, but all the others were beyond repair.  Totally useless.    What a waste of money.  I took them back and asked the library about the problem.  They were pretty much indifferent, and actually just put the same damaged games back on the shelf ready to disappoint another batch of children!  Wasted money and toothpaste, emotional trauma...  there was nothing good about this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our local library already buys games for young children and let 's you borrow them for several days for free !
The first time we found out about this my kids were ecstatic when they saw the selection of well known childrens character based games ( ie Dora the Explorer...etc.. ) , but when we got home and tried to play them the crying began.... not even one of the games we borrowed was usable... every single disc was scratched horribly .
I was able to repair one myself using the toothpaste trick , but all the others were beyond repair .
Totally useless .
What a waste of money .
I took them back and asked the library about the problem .
They were pretty much indifferent , and actually just put the same damaged games back on the shelf ready to disappoint another batch of children !
Wasted money and toothpaste , emotional trauma... there was nothing good about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our local library already buys  games for young children and let's you borrow them for several days for free!
The first time we found out about this my kids were ecstatic when they saw the selection of well known childrens character based games (ie Dora the Explorer...etc..), but when we got home and tried to play them the crying began.... not even one of the games we borrowed was usable... every single disc was scratched horribly.
I was able to repair one myself using the toothpaste trick, but all the others were beyond repair.
Totally useless.
What a waste of money.
I took them back and asked the library about the problem.
They were pretty much indifferent, and actually just put the same damaged games back on the shelf ready to disappoint another batch of children!
Wasted money and toothpaste, emotional trauma...  there was nothing good about this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655590</id>
	<title>Re:Not really a library.</title>
	<author>CRCulver</author>
	<datestamp>1269869520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Words can change to refer to new things. It's called semantic shift. It's a normal, everyday phenomenon of human language. The vast. vast majority of people are completely unaware of the etymology and have no problem in understanding libraries as fundamentally places where information is stored.</p><p>And now that I think of it, can you source your etymology of <i>liber</i>? In Latin the word was used not only for writings written into wax tablets, papyrus and vellum, as well as for literary creations that hadn't even been written down. Martial refers to his body of epigrams, which he delivered at recitals (and only then were written down and preserved by the audience) as <i>libri</i>. Paper produced from wood pulp was unknown to the Romans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Words can change to refer to new things .
It 's called semantic shift .
It 's a normal , everyday phenomenon of human language .
The vast .
vast majority of people are completely unaware of the etymology and have no problem in understanding libraries as fundamentally places where information is stored.And now that I think of it , can you source your etymology of liber ?
In Latin the word was used not only for writings written into wax tablets , papyrus and vellum , as well as for literary creations that had n't even been written down .
Martial refers to his body of epigrams , which he delivered at recitals ( and only then were written down and preserved by the audience ) as libri .
Paper produced from wood pulp was unknown to the Romans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Words can change to refer to new things.
It's called semantic shift.
It's a normal, everyday phenomenon of human language.
The vast.
vast majority of people are completely unaware of the etymology and have no problem in understanding libraries as fundamentally places where information is stored.And now that I think of it, can you source your etymology of liber?
In Latin the word was used not only for writings written into wax tablets, papyrus and vellum, as well as for literary creations that hadn't even been written down.
Martial refers to his body of epigrams, which he delivered at recitals (and only then were written down and preserved by the audience) as libri.
Paper produced from wood pulp was unknown to the Romans.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656808</id>
	<title>Those damn kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269876060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shut uuuuup! Shutup shutUP SHUTUP!!! It's a library fer Christ's sake. SHUTUP already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shut uuuuup !
Shutup shutUP SHUTUP ! ! !
It 's a library fer Christ 's sake .
SHUTUP already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shut uuuuup!
Shutup shutUP SHUTUP!!!
It's a library fer Christ's sake.
SHUTUP already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656256</id>
	<title>Certainly worked for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269873720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our library had a Technology section, with a gaming section in there with a variety of games.<br>It made it a pretty decent hangout spot with friends, especially at lunch times in school, and the meals at the cafeteria were pretty great too.<br>It was decently popular with around 10-30\% of the people around lunch times usually ending up there hanging out at the desks or on the computers.<br>There was also a lot of courses and groups run there as well.<br>But the school recently (several years back) closed, which actually shared the same building with the library.<br>Bad times.</p><p><i>Personal experiences follows, not that important.</i><br>Mainholm Academy was a fantastic place, it used to be pretty crap at first, but as my 6 years there passed, every year got better. (not personally, the school in general)<br>Our year and the year above eventually started a lot of after school courses as well, and eventually led to it becoming quite a popular thing.<br>Then stupid financial decisions and the discovery of asbestos and potentially damaged / inefficient pipes led to it being closed entirely.<br><a href="http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=2311234" title="tes.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Article</a> [tes.co.uk] about the aftermath caused by the pupils being split around all the other schools if anyone is interested.<br>Think that was 3-4 years after i left.<br>It is never a good thing when a school closes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our library had a Technology section , with a gaming section in there with a variety of games.It made it a pretty decent hangout spot with friends , especially at lunch times in school , and the meals at the cafeteria were pretty great too.It was decently popular with around 10-30 \ % of the people around lunch times usually ending up there hanging out at the desks or on the computers.There was also a lot of courses and groups run there as well.But the school recently ( several years back ) closed , which actually shared the same building with the library.Bad times.Personal experiences follows , not that important.Mainholm Academy was a fantastic place , it used to be pretty crap at first , but as my 6 years there passed , every year got better .
( not personally , the school in general ) Our year and the year above eventually started a lot of after school courses as well , and eventually led to it becoming quite a popular thing.Then stupid financial decisions and the discovery of asbestos and potentially damaged / inefficient pipes led to it being closed entirely.Article [ tes.co.uk ] about the aftermath caused by the pupils being split around all the other schools if anyone is interested.Think that was 3-4 years after i left.It is never a good thing when a school closes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our library had a Technology section, with a gaming section in there with a variety of games.It made it a pretty decent hangout spot with friends, especially at lunch times in school, and the meals at the cafeteria were pretty great too.It was decently popular with around 10-30\% of the people around lunch times usually ending up there hanging out at the desks or on the computers.There was also a lot of courses and groups run there as well.But the school recently (several years back) closed, which actually shared the same building with the library.Bad times.Personal experiences follows, not that important.Mainholm Academy was a fantastic place, it used to be pretty crap at first, but as my 6 years there passed, every year got better.
(not personally, the school in general)Our year and the year above eventually started a lot of after school courses as well, and eventually led to it becoming quite a popular thing.Then stupid financial decisions and the discovery of asbestos and potentially damaged / inefficient pipes led to it being closed entirely.Article [tes.co.uk] about the aftermath caused by the pupils being split around all the other schools if anyone is interested.Think that was 3-4 years after i left.It is never a good thing when a school closes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655898</id>
	<title>Re:Not really a library.</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1269871680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Out of interest, what word do you use to refer to a file containing position-independent code which can be linked into an application at run time and provides a set of documented features?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of interest , what word do you use to refer to a file containing position-independent code which can be linked into an application at run time and provides a set of documented features ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of interest, what word do you use to refer to a file containing position-independent code which can be linked into an application at run time and provides a set of documented features?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31662462</id>
	<title>Re:Not conservative</title>
	<author>Macrat</author>
	<datestamp>1269857940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Japanese doesn't exist on the internet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Japanese does n't exist on the internet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Japanese doesn't exist on the internet?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655510</id>
	<title>Good idea, but...</title>
	<author>Kokuyo</author>
	<datestamp>1269868920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the popular titles use some kind of DRM. Did they keep this in mind? What will the publishers say? Are there for rent versions or will the librarians just have to go and unlock the games through dozens of different hotlines or however this works?</p><p>Or are they only talking about console games?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the popular titles use some kind of DRM .
Did they keep this in mind ?
What will the publishers say ?
Are there for rent versions or will the librarians just have to go and unlock the games through dozens of different hotlines or however this works ? Or are they only talking about console games ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the popular titles use some kind of DRM.
Did they keep this in mind?
What will the publishers say?
Are there for rent versions or will the librarians just have to go and unlock the games through dozens of different hotlines or however this works?Or are they only talking about console games?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657194</id>
	<title>Libraries, the OLD babysitter</title>
	<author>catherder\_finleyd</author>
	<datestamp>1269877800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Libraries as Babysitters is not a new thing. It has been going on at least since the 1980's. Google 'unattended children in library' for more information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Libraries as Babysitters is not a new thing .
It has been going on at least since the 1980 's .
Google 'unattended children in library ' for more information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries as Babysitters is not a new thing.
It has been going on at least since the 1980's.
Google 'unattended children in library' for more information.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31660668</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>Kreplock</author>
	<datestamp>1269892800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's okay for libraries to alter existing budgets to account for the games, but too often government institutions turn first to requests to increase their funding.  Find another way.  Shave other parts of your budget and solicit contributions of money and used games from the public.  If people value the idea they'll support it.

But I guess libraries are preserving our cultural inclination to simply reach for more instead of making do with what they've already got.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's okay for libraries to alter existing budgets to account for the games , but too often government institutions turn first to requests to increase their funding .
Find another way .
Shave other parts of your budget and solicit contributions of money and used games from the public .
If people value the idea they 'll support it .
But I guess libraries are preserving our cultural inclination to simply reach for more instead of making do with what they 've already got .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's okay for libraries to alter existing budgets to account for the games, but too often government institutions turn first to requests to increase their funding.
Find another way.
Shave other parts of your budget and solicit contributions of money and used games from the public.
If people value the idea they'll support it.
But I guess libraries are preserving our cultural inclination to simply reach for more instead of making do with what they've already got.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656114</id>
	<title>Plenty of freebies out there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269873000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not set up a depository for used games? I'm sure there are tons out there that people would be happy to contribute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not set up a depository for used games ?
I 'm sure there are tons out there that people would be happy to contribute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not set up a depository for used games?
I'm sure there are tons out there that people would be happy to contribute.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31670262</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>RedHat Rocky</author>
	<datestamp>1269962760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My local library charges a dollar for DVD rentals. The fee goes back into expanding/maintaining the collection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My local library charges a dollar for DVD rentals .
The fee goes back into expanding/maintaining the collection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My local library charges a dollar for DVD rentals.
The fee goes back into expanding/maintaining the collection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655628</id>
	<title>Settle the financial crisis before free games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every year <a href="http://www.toronto.ca/finance/debt.htm#3" title="toronto.ca" rel="nofollow">Toronto's debt goes up</a> [toronto.ca], and every year Toronto property taxes go up, and every few years Toronto's unions go on strike to have their already large salaries increased. Maybe once the city can control its finances and its unions, then it can think about buying video games to attract children to the Library.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every year Toronto 's debt goes up [ toronto.ca ] , and every year Toronto property taxes go up , and every few years Toronto 's unions go on strike to have their already large salaries increased .
Maybe once the city can control its finances and its unions , then it can think about buying video games to attract children to the Library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every year Toronto's debt goes up [toronto.ca], and every year Toronto property taxes go up, and every few years Toronto's unions go on strike to have their already large salaries increased.
Maybe once the city can control its finances and its unions, then it can think about buying video games to attract children to the Library.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31665278</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>mattack2</author>
	<datestamp>1269873540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life...</p></div></blockquote><p>Did you never go to a public school?  If so, did you never go to the school library?  I realize that isn't exactly the same kind of library as most people are talking about, but it a government-funded library.</p><p>(BTW, I think even having DVDs at the library is kind of a waste of public money.  Having books is arguably worthwhile..  You can't go rent a book for a buck a day like you can get a movie at redbox.. [I have never used redbox myself btw]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and as for the immediate response of "you can't read a book in a day".. if someone really is a voracious reader and read instead of watched TV, they could.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life...Did you never go to a public school ?
If so , did you never go to the school library ?
I realize that is n't exactly the same kind of library as most people are talking about , but it a government-funded library .
( BTW , I think even having DVDs at the library is kind of a waste of public money .
Having books is arguably worthwhile.. You ca n't go rent a book for a buck a day like you can get a movie at redbox.. [ I have never used redbox myself btw ] ...and as for the immediate response of " you ca n't read a book in a day " .. if someone really is a voracious reader and read instead of watched TV , they could .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life...Did you never go to a public school?
If so, did you never go to the school library?
I realize that isn't exactly the same kind of library as most people are talking about, but it a government-funded library.
(BTW, I think even having DVDs at the library is kind of a waste of public money.
Having books is arguably worthwhile..  You can't go rent a book for a buck a day like you can get a movie at redbox.. [I have never used redbox myself btw] ...and as for the immediate response of "you can't read a book in a day".. if someone really is a voracious reader and read instead of watched TV, they could.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655482</id>
	<title>Honestly probably a good idea,</title>
	<author>trdrstv</author>
	<datestamp>1269868680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Libraries are becoming increasingly less relevant to the generations who grew up with the internet at their disposal. I personally only made the trips back to the library when they started offering DVD's/ Blurays.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Libraries are becoming increasingly less relevant to the generations who grew up with the internet at their disposal .
I personally only made the trips back to the library when they started offering DVD 's/ Blurays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries are becoming increasingly less relevant to the generations who grew up with the internet at their disposal.
I personally only made the trips back to the library when they started offering DVD's/ Blurays.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655500</id>
	<title>DRM?</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1269868860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how DRM would work out with this sort of concept. If the game tries to keep itself from passing from user to user.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how DRM would work out with this sort of concept .
If the game tries to keep itself from passing from user to user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how DRM would work out with this sort of concept.
If the game tries to keep itself from passing from user to user.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658698</id>
	<title>Exchange network and other comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269884040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. May be they can make a web bulletin board for exchanging games as well. With the library as the middle-man<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... better make it insured as well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-).<br>2. They can also ask people to donate used games or buy them for a small fee.<br>3. Don't start reading books and play games side by side in the library. Very distracting at least for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
May be they can make a web bulletin board for exchanging games as well .
With the library as the middle-man ... better make it insured as well : - ) .2 .
They can also ask people to donate used games or buy them for a small fee.3 .
Do n't start reading books and play games side by side in the library .
Very distracting at least for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
May be they can make a web bulletin board for exchanging games as well.
With the library as the middle-man ... better make it insured as well :-).2.
They can also ask people to donate used games or buy them for a small fee.3.
Don't start reading books and play games side by side in the library.
Very distracting at least for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656520</id>
	<title>What's the big deal? They are WAAAAY behind.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The City of Ottawa began offering Video Games two years ago (as well as public play times and private room rentals for those willing to pay for it) and it has been a huge success.</p><p>http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/editorials/story.html?id=dcb8c723-d154-493d-8d6d-1baad564294e</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The City of Ottawa began offering Video Games two years ago ( as well as public play times and private room rentals for those willing to pay for it ) and it has been a huge success.http : //www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/editorials/story.html ? id = dcb8c723-d154-493d-8d6d-1baad564294e</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The City of Ottawa began offering Video Games two years ago (as well as public play times and private room rentals for those willing to pay for it) and it has been a huge success.http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/editorials/story.html?id=dcb8c723-d154-493d-8d6d-1baad564294e</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655496</id>
	<title>Worked at our local library.</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1269868860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Michigan our local library always carried computer games.  Not always up to date but a good selection of Maxis games, tycoon types and even a few shooters.  It seemed to work out quite well to me...</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Michigan our local library always carried computer games .
Not always up to date but a good selection of Maxis games , tycoon types and even a few shooters .
It seemed to work out quite well to me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Michigan our local library always carried computer games.
Not always up to date but a good selection of Maxis games, tycoon types and even a few shooters.
It seemed to work out quite well to me...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655752</id>
	<title>Re:Call me conservative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269870660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Haha, self-help scams. Libraries should not lend any credibility to those.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Haha , self-help scams .
Libraries should not lend any credibility to those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haha, self-help scams.
Libraries should not lend any credibility to those.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655984</id>
	<title>Re:Is it enough?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You still have to drive to a Redbox location, and it still costs a dollar per rental, due back in a very short period of time. At a library you can get a large amount of material for free and usually for 1 or 2 weeks at a time. So yeah, I'd say it's worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You still have to drive to a Redbox location , and it still costs a dollar per rental , due back in a very short period of time .
At a library you can get a large amount of material for free and usually for 1 or 2 weeks at a time .
So yeah , I 'd say it 's worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You still have to drive to a Redbox location, and it still costs a dollar per rental, due back in a very short period of time.
At a library you can get a large amount of material for free and usually for 1 or 2 weeks at a time.
So yeah, I'd say it's worth it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655738</id>
	<title>An even better idea.</title>
	<author>lewko</author>
	<datestamp>1269870540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't they just spend a couple o' grand on porno.</p><p>I remember my formative years spent in the school library, searching the dictionary for all the rude words. While I was there, I noticed some other books as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't they just spend a couple o ' grand on porno.I remember my formative years spent in the school library , searching the dictionary for all the rude words .
While I was there , I noticed some other books as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't they just spend a couple o' grand on porno.I remember my formative years spent in the school library, searching the dictionary for all the rude words.
While I was there, I noticed some other books as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656674</id>
	<title>Cheaper and more effective</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1269875400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pay the kids to go into the library<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pay the kids to go into the library : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pay the kids to go into the library :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656078</id>
	<title>Books are cheap though...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I went to the local library once... maybe twice in my life. When I was younger my school library had a good selection of fantasy or sci-fi books to read. Not large but it was good. Course I never read much recreationaly until high school/college. At that point though most books I wanted to read were incredibly cheap. Hell most paperbacks cost less then $8. At college that's, what? Deciding to not go for that late nite pizza/beer/McDonald's run once more that week? My only expensive books were D&amp;D books. So I never much understood the point of having to goto the library when I can goto the local bookstore and get one I know will be brand new for cheap and I can expand my own personal library! I personally like the thought of when the wife and I get a house that we'll need to designate a room as the library with our large book collection. How many homes have a library these days? Even if it's not large it still feels classy =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I went to the local library once... maybe twice in my life .
When I was younger my school library had a good selection of fantasy or sci-fi books to read .
Not large but it was good .
Course I never read much recreationaly until high school/college .
At that point though most books I wanted to read were incredibly cheap .
Hell most paperbacks cost less then $ 8 .
At college that 's , what ?
Deciding to not go for that late nite pizza/beer/McDonald 's run once more that week ?
My only expensive books were D&amp;D books .
So I never much understood the point of having to goto the library when I can goto the local bookstore and get one I know will be brand new for cheap and I can expand my own personal library !
I personally like the thought of when the wife and I get a house that we 'll need to designate a room as the library with our large book collection .
How many homes have a library these days ?
Even if it 's not large it still feels classy = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I went to the local library once... maybe twice in my life.
When I was younger my school library had a good selection of fantasy or sci-fi books to read.
Not large but it was good.
Course I never read much recreationaly until high school/college.
At that point though most books I wanted to read were incredibly cheap.
Hell most paperbacks cost less then $8.
At college that's, what?
Deciding to not go for that late nite pizza/beer/McDonald's run once more that week?
My only expensive books were D&amp;D books.
So I never much understood the point of having to goto the library when I can goto the local bookstore and get one I know will be brand new for cheap and I can expand my own personal library!
I personally like the thought of when the wife and I get a house that we'll need to designate a room as the library with our large book collection.
How many homes have a library these days?
Even if it's not large it still feels classy =)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31658754</id>
	<title>Re:Worked at our local library.</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1269884340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got Baldur's Gate from the library.  My first CRPG I ever played... that one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is one that I checked out from the library.  It had quite a few holds on it, so I waited.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got Baldur 's Gate from the library .
My first CRPG I ever played... that one ... is one that I checked out from the library .
It had quite a few holds on it , so I waited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got Baldur's Gate from the library.
My first CRPG I ever played... that one ... is one that I checked out from the library.
It had quite a few holds on it, so I waited.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657062</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly probably a good idea,</title>
	<author>blackraven14250</author>
	<datestamp>1269877320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Libraries provide the internet. Have you been to one lately? They've been adding computers for people from the community to use for free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Libraries provide the internet .
Have you been to one lately ?
They 've been adding computers for people from the community to use for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Libraries provide the internet.
Have you been to one lately?
They've been adding computers for people from the community to use for free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31659020</id>
	<title>Um...</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1269885480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of asking for donations of money, how 'bout asking for donations of games? Real avid gamers buy the game the day it comes out, and are bored with it in 2 to 4 weeks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of asking for donations of money , how 'bout asking for donations of games ?
Real avid gamers buy the game the day it comes out , and are bored with it in 2 to 4 weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of asking for donations of money, how 'bout asking for donations of games?
Real avid gamers buy the game the day it comes out, and are bored with it in 2 to 4 weeks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656760</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1269875880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;God damn I am tired of people who've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.</p><p>I never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life, and I seem to have made out okay (engineer - two degrees).  And now that we have the internet, such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books (or just read wikipedia), the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.</p><p>Like the horse buggy whip, they have been obsoleted by newer/better technologies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; God damn I am tired of people who 've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.I never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life , and I seem to have made out okay ( engineer - two degrees ) .
And now that we have the internet , such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books ( or just read wikipedia ) , the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.Like the horse buggy whip , they have been obsoleted by newer/better technologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;God damn I am tired of people who've enjoyed the fruits of public spending and are now complaining about anybody else doing so.I never set foot in a government-funded library my whole life, and I seem to have made out okay (engineer - two degrees).
And now that we have the internet, such that I or anybody else can download literally millions of free books (or just read wikipedia), the government-funded libraries are even less necessary.Like the horse buggy whip, they have been obsoleted by newer/better technologies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656058</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31661796</id>
	<title>I feel sorry for you....</title>
	<author>SpekkioMofW</author>
	<datestamp>1269854940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I feel sorry for you, going your whole life, supposedly without using publicly-funded libraries. (Someone else already made the point about public universities, so I won't retread that.) Going your entire life...I'm guessing at least thirty years...without knowing the exquisite joys of the public library...to be able to obtain knowledge and entertainment without spending a ton of money each time you do so...to be able to read materials that are no longer in print (and not available on the Internet)...to know the pleasure that comes from simply browsing shelves upon shelves (and maybe floors upon floors) of well-kept, useful, well-organized books...I can't imagine how that's a good thing.</p><p>And really (full disclosure: I'm a graduate student in Library and Information Science) I would think that an engineer would be kinder, more knowledgeable, and more understanding about libraries (and, by extension, librarians) in general because your profession depends on information that is only available through library resources. And I don't just mean books - I mean expensive subscription-only electronic resources - journals, databases, technical data....  This sort of thing isn't available to just anyone - it's too damned expensive. But that's a big part of what libraries do. Large corporations like PPG have their OWN libraries to serve their employees. Check out the Special Libraries Association for more information....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel sorry for you , going your whole life , supposedly without using publicly-funded libraries .
( Someone else already made the point about public universities , so I wo n't retread that .
) Going your entire life...I 'm guessing at least thirty years...without knowing the exquisite joys of the public library...to be able to obtain knowledge and entertainment without spending a ton of money each time you do so...to be able to read materials that are no longer in print ( and not available on the Internet ) ...to know the pleasure that comes from simply browsing shelves upon shelves ( and maybe floors upon floors ) of well-kept , useful , well-organized books...I ca n't imagine how that 's a good thing.And really ( full disclosure : I 'm a graduate student in Library and Information Science ) I would think that an engineer would be kinder , more knowledgeable , and more understanding about libraries ( and , by extension , librarians ) in general because your profession depends on information that is only available through library resources .
And I do n't just mean books - I mean expensive subscription-only electronic resources - journals , databases , technical data.... This sort of thing is n't available to just anyone - it 's too damned expensive .
But that 's a big part of what libraries do .
Large corporations like PPG have their OWN libraries to serve their employees .
Check out the Special Libraries Association for more information... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel sorry for you, going your whole life, supposedly without using publicly-funded libraries.
(Someone else already made the point about public universities, so I won't retread that.
) Going your entire life...I'm guessing at least thirty years...without knowing the exquisite joys of the public library...to be able to obtain knowledge and entertainment without spending a ton of money each time you do so...to be able to read materials that are no longer in print (and not available on the Internet)...to know the pleasure that comes from simply browsing shelves upon shelves (and maybe floors upon floors) of well-kept, useful, well-organized books...I can't imagine how that's a good thing.And really (full disclosure: I'm a graduate student in Library and Information Science) I would think that an engineer would be kinder, more knowledgeable, and more understanding about libraries (and, by extension, librarians) in general because your profession depends on information that is only available through library resources.
And I don't just mean books - I mean expensive subscription-only electronic resources - journals, databases, technical data....  This sort of thing isn't available to just anyone - it's too damned expensive.
But that's a big part of what libraries do.
Large corporations like PPG have their OWN libraries to serve their employees.
Check out the Special Libraries Association for more information....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656974</id>
	<title>Re:Libraries, the NEW babysitter</title>
	<author>bigredradio</author>
	<datestamp>1269876840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the purpose is not to turn the library into an arcade (remember that babysitter), but allow people to check-out games just like books, DVDs, and CDs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the purpose is not to turn the library into an arcade ( remember that babysitter ) , but allow people to check-out games just like books , DVDs , and CDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the purpose is not to turn the library into an arcade (remember that babysitter), but allow people to check-out games just like books, DVDs, and CDs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31657512</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly probably a good idea,</title>
	<author>aDSF762</author>
	<datestamp>1269879000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I totally agree that this is a good idea, but I disagree that libraries are becoming less relevant to the current generation. I would gladly welcome more digital books online but I just love holding a real book and reading in soft light. It's just more comfortable and "convenient" (well you still have to drive) to sit down with a book than sitting down at the PC to read a book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree that this is a good idea , but I disagree that libraries are becoming less relevant to the current generation .
I would gladly welcome more digital books online but I just love holding a real book and reading in soft light .
It 's just more comfortable and " convenient " ( well you still have to drive ) to sit down with a book than sitting down at the PC to read a book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree that this is a good idea, but I disagree that libraries are becoming less relevant to the current generation.
I would gladly welcome more digital books online but I just love holding a real book and reading in soft light.
It's just more comfortable and "convenient" (well you still have to drive) to sit down with a book than sitting down at the PC to read a book.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655482</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656704</id>
	<title>Not conservative</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1269875580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Short sighted would be more correct. I do understand that it can be confusing with Neo-Cons destroying everything conservative.</p><p>DVD lending has given me and my kids looks into other cultures. An example of that would be Anime.<br>An added bonus is that going to the library is a normal experience for my children.</p><p>"Public libraries, in my opinion, should solely be about self-improvement and betterment. "<br>So no sci-fi? romance?</p><p>who do you think you are where you get to tell people they need for self-improvement and betterment. MY daughter is interested in Learning Japanese solely because we where able to get Japanese movies from the library.</p><p>"Books, movies, and music should be classics, self-help, technical, etc."<br>Who are you to determine what a classic is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Short sighted would be more correct .
I do understand that it can be confusing with Neo-Cons destroying everything conservative.DVD lending has given me and my kids looks into other cultures .
An example of that would be Anime.An added bonus is that going to the library is a normal experience for my children .
" Public libraries , in my opinion , should solely be about self-improvement and betterment .
" So no sci-fi ?
romance ? who do you think you are where you get to tell people they need for self-improvement and betterment .
MY daughter is interested in Learning Japanese solely because we where able to get Japanese movies from the library .
" Books , movies , and music should be classics , self-help , technical , etc .
" Who are you to determine what a classic is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Short sighted would be more correct.
I do understand that it can be confusing with Neo-Cons destroying everything conservative.DVD lending has given me and my kids looks into other cultures.
An example of that would be Anime.An added bonus is that going to the library is a normal experience for my children.
"Public libraries, in my opinion, should solely be about self-improvement and betterment.
"So no sci-fi?
romance?who do you think you are where you get to tell people they need for self-improvement and betterment.
MY daughter is interested in Learning Japanese solely because we where able to get Japanese movies from the library.
"Books, movies, and music should be classics, self-help, technical, etc.
"Who are you to determine what a classic is?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656054</id>
	<title>Re:We have video games in our libraries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do the Norwegian libraries offer porno DVDs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do the Norwegian libraries offer porno DVDs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do the Norwegian libraries offer porno DVDs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31655586</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656090</id>
	<title>did anyone ask?</title>
	<author>tabooli</author>
	<datestamp>1269872880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a quick look at this and other articles and the TPL website and found no mention of how they arrived at this decision.

Did they ask young people what they wanted?  Formally? Informally?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a quick look at this and other articles and the TPL website and found no mention of how they arrived at this decision .
Did they ask young people what they wanted ?
Formally ? Informally ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a quick look at this and other articles and the TPL website and found no mention of how they arrived at this decision.
Did they ask young people what they wanted?
Formally? Informally?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31659498</id>
	<title>How do you know it's a good idea?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be careful declaring "this is a good idea" (or some variant thereof.)  It may very well be a good idea, but it might also utterly fail to achieve its accomplished goals of getting kids interested in other aspects of the libraries in question.  I would hope the Slashdot community could differentiate between ideas that sound good and are generally compatible with Slashdot-like values (video games, open source, math education, etc. etc.) and ideas that may possibly have some merit but would require objective verification to measure their actual effectiveness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be careful declaring " this is a good idea " ( or some variant thereof .
) It may very well be a good idea , but it might also utterly fail to achieve its accomplished goals of getting kids interested in other aspects of the libraries in question .
I would hope the Slashdot community could differentiate between ideas that sound good and are generally compatible with Slashdot-like values ( video games , open source , math education , etc .
etc. ) and ideas that may possibly have some merit but would require objective verification to measure their actual effectiveness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be careful declaring "this is a good idea" (or some variant thereof.
)  It may very well be a good idea, but it might also utterly fail to achieve its accomplished goals of getting kids interested in other aspects of the libraries in question.
I would hope the Slashdot community could differentiate between ideas that sound good and are generally compatible with Slashdot-like values (video games, open source, math education, etc.
etc.) and ideas that may possibly have some merit but would require objective verification to measure their actual effectiveness.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656754</id>
	<title>Sorry, I have to Harry Potter their delusions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269875820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Harry Potter is selling well, so kids are reading more books!", went the cry.  As it turned out, kids were just reading more Harry Potter.  There was no halo effect.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Harry Potter is selling well , so kids are reading more books !
" , went the cry .
As it turned out , kids were just reading more Harry Potter .
There was no halo effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Harry Potter is selling well, so kids are reading more books!
", went the cry.
As it turned out, kids were just reading more Harry Potter.
There was no halo effect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0418241.31656858</id>
	<title>Re:Excellent example....</title>
	<author>capnkr</author>
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	<htmltext>Same here - economically a traditionally low-earning area in the Deep South, technologically - well, most folks here can't even spell that word. But we have a dedicated room in the library with (~a dozen) new rigs and what seem to me as a non-gamer to be recent titles with an emphasis on shoot-em-up type games.<br> <br>Yet when I offer to use the facilities in order to teach a class \_for free\_ to these same people about how to use Open Source technologies in order that they might be able to take a 'clunker' system home and know enough to actually get some real work done with it, well, there is no response beyond whatever I get at the point in time of offering.<br> <br>These are people who need instruction to do "Yahoo email" or "Facebook classes" {roll\_eyes}, yet they can sit down for a few hours and game away in what is otherwise intended to be a place of learning? Where - what - is the priority here? It sure doesn't seem to be much of one for developing intelligence, problem solving abilities, and a technological skill set that can be used in the day-to-day work world that most of us live in.<br> <br>OTOH, they are learning a skill set which might make them mighty useful as 'digital warriors' of the future, where they sit at home and kill enemies far afield by designating them as targets on their monitor...<br> <br>But if I follow that thought to a conclusion, maybe *I'd* be better off learning how to make tin-foil hats.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here - economically a traditionally low-earning area in the Deep South , technologically - well , most folks here ca n't even spell that word .
But we have a dedicated room in the library with ( ~ a dozen ) new rigs and what seem to me as a non-gamer to be recent titles with an emphasis on shoot-em-up type games .
Yet when I offer to use the facilities in order to teach a class \ _for free \ _ to these same people about how to use Open Source technologies in order that they might be able to take a 'clunker ' system home and know enough to actually get some real work done with it , well , there is no response beyond whatever I get at the point in time of offering .
These are people who need instruction to do " Yahoo email " or " Facebook classes " { roll \ _eyes } , yet they can sit down for a few hours and game away in what is otherwise intended to be a place of learning ?
Where - what - is the priority here ?
It sure does n't seem to be much of one for developing intelligence , problem solving abilities , and a technological skill set that can be used in the day-to-day work world that most of us live in .
OTOH , they are learning a skill set which might make them mighty useful as 'digital warriors ' of the future , where they sit at home and kill enemies far afield by designating them as targets on their monitor... But if I follow that thought to a conclusion , maybe * I 'd * be better off learning how to make tin-foil hats .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here - economically a traditionally low-earning area in the Deep South, technologically - well, most folks here can't even spell that word.
But we have a dedicated room in the library with (~a dozen) new rigs and what seem to me as a non-gamer to be recent titles with an emphasis on shoot-em-up type games.
Yet when I offer to use the facilities in order to teach a class \_for free\_ to these same people about how to use Open Source technologies in order that they might be able to take a 'clunker' system home and know enough to actually get some real work done with it, well, there is no response beyond whatever I get at the point in time of offering.
These are people who need instruction to do "Yahoo email" or "Facebook classes" {roll\_eyes}, yet they can sit down for a few hours and game away in what is otherwise intended to be a place of learning?
Where - what - is the priority here?
It sure doesn't seem to be much of one for developing intelligence, problem solving abilities, and a technological skill set that can be used in the day-to-day work world that most of us live in.
OTOH, they are learning a skill set which might make them mighty useful as 'digital warriors' of the future, where they sit at home and kill enemies far afield by designating them as targets on their monitor... But if I follow that thought to a conclusion, maybe *I'd* be better off learning how to make tin-foil hats.
;)</sentencetext>
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