<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_29_0227251</id>
	<title>"Install Other OS" Feature Removed From the PS3</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269877020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Hann1bal writes <i>"The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 system will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST), and <a href="http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/">will disable the 'Install Other OS' feature</a> that was available on the PS3 systems prior to the current slimmer models, launched in September 2009. This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update."</i>

<strong>Updated 3:49 GMT by timothy:</strong> An anonymous reader writes <i>"This comes as something of a surprise. Particularly because only a month ago Sony Computer Entertainment management <a href="http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-dev/2010-February/007202.html">seemed committed to the continued support of the Other OS option</a> on the PS3."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hann1bal writes " The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 system will be released on April 1 , 2010 ( JST ) , and will disable the 'Install Other OS ' feature that was available on the PS3 systems prior to the current slimmer models , launched in September 2009 .
This feature enabled users to install an operating system , but due to security concerns , Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update .
" Updated 3 : 49 GMT by timothy : An anonymous reader writes " This comes as something of a surprise .
Particularly because only a month ago Sony Computer Entertainment management seemed committed to the continued support of the Other OS option on the PS3 .
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<sentencetext>Hann1bal writes "The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 system will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST), and will disable the 'Install Other OS' feature that was available on the PS3 systems prior to the current slimmer models, launched in September 2009.
This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update.
"

Updated 3:49 GMT by timothy: An anonymous reader writes "This comes as something of a surprise.
Particularly because only a month ago Sony Computer Entertainment management seemed committed to the continued support of the Other OS option on the PS3.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653672</id>
	<title>Cowardly Sony</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1269801600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They took down most of the options on their 'Contact Us' page. You can't e-mail, or anything.</p><p>BUT they were stupid enough to leave the phone numbers on the site so feel free to clog their phones with calls expressing your displeasure over their violation of your property rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They took down most of the options on their 'Contact Us ' page .
You ca n't e-mail , or anything.BUT they were stupid enough to leave the phone numbers on the site so feel free to clog their phones with calls expressing your displeasure over their violation of your property rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They took down most of the options on their 'Contact Us' page.
You can't e-mail, or anything.BUT they were stupid enough to leave the phone numbers on the site so feel free to clog their phones with calls expressing your displeasure over their violation of your property rights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655716</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269870360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony didn't just stop supporting the "Other OS". They started removing features from PS3 once they got rid of Ken Kutaragi. It was Ken Kutaragi's vision that PS3 become the centre of the home entertainment/supercomputing environment. If Sony just wanted get around the import tax problem, they could have included (or did) a CD containing the Basic programming language.</p><p>I agree that Sony became the real enemy by removing this feature, but it has nothing to do with what Ken Kutaragi envisaged. Under Ken Kutaragi's management a lot of Sony products adopted the industry standard, but once the clueless figureheads took charge Sony just went downhill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony did n't just stop supporting the " Other OS " .
They started removing features from PS3 once they got rid of Ken Kutaragi .
It was Ken Kutaragi 's vision that PS3 become the centre of the home entertainment/supercomputing environment .
If Sony just wanted get around the import tax problem , they could have included ( or did ) a CD containing the Basic programming language.I agree that Sony became the real enemy by removing this feature , but it has nothing to do with what Ken Kutaragi envisaged .
Under Ken Kutaragi 's management a lot of Sony products adopted the industry standard , but once the clueless figureheads took charge Sony just went downhill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony didn't just stop supporting the "Other OS".
They started removing features from PS3 once they got rid of Ken Kutaragi.
It was Ken Kutaragi's vision that PS3 become the centre of the home entertainment/supercomputing environment.
If Sony just wanted get around the import tax problem, they could have included (or did) a CD containing the Basic programming language.I agree that Sony became the real enemy by removing this feature, but it has nothing to do with what Ken Kutaragi envisaged.
Under Ken Kutaragi's management a lot of Sony products adopted the industry standard, but once the clueless figureheads took charge Sony just went downhill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653020</id>
	<title>Aww.</title>
	<author>DryGrian</author>
	<datestamp>1269794820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guess I'll have to get on installing that copy of Yellow Dog Linux I have kicking around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess I 'll have to get on installing that copy of Yellow Dog Linux I have kicking around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess I'll have to get on installing that copy of Yellow Dog Linux I have kicking around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653582</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>$pace6host</author>
	<datestamp>1269800640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this should be a wake-up call to all Sony owners. I have a Slim, and I never had this ability. But, what if they decided tomorrow that the next release would take away the ability to play Blu-Ray movies? And if we all didn't take the new release, we couldn't use PSN, couldn't use chat, couldn't play all those movies we bought online that require "checking in" with DRM servers, couldn't play new games that require at least the new firmware release, etc. Sure, this particular feature revocation doesn't directly impact ME, and it might not impact most owners of older PS3s because they don't use this feature. But if they can take away the "Install Other OS" feature from older PS3s, how do I know they won't take away features I DO use? What is my protection here? This doesn't directly impact me, but it's a disturbing precedent. Should I buy content on PSN, knowing they might disable my ability to use it sometime in the future? Who owns this box sitting under my TV? What did I actually buy? Do I have a promise that it will retain <b>any</b> of its features?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this should be a wake-up call to all Sony owners .
I have a Slim , and I never had this ability .
But , what if they decided tomorrow that the next release would take away the ability to play Blu-Ray movies ?
And if we all did n't take the new release , we could n't use PSN , could n't use chat , could n't play all those movies we bought online that require " checking in " with DRM servers , could n't play new games that require at least the new firmware release , etc .
Sure , this particular feature revocation does n't directly impact ME , and it might not impact most owners of older PS3s because they do n't use this feature .
But if they can take away the " Install Other OS " feature from older PS3s , how do I know they wo n't take away features I DO use ?
What is my protection here ?
This does n't directly impact me , but it 's a disturbing precedent .
Should I buy content on PSN , knowing they might disable my ability to use it sometime in the future ?
Who owns this box sitting under my TV ?
What did I actually buy ?
Do I have a promise that it will retain any of its features ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this should be a wake-up call to all Sony owners.
I have a Slim, and I never had this ability.
But, what if they decided tomorrow that the next release would take away the ability to play Blu-Ray movies?
And if we all didn't take the new release, we couldn't use PSN, couldn't use chat, couldn't play all those movies we bought online that require "checking in" with DRM servers, couldn't play new games that require at least the new firmware release, etc.
Sure, this particular feature revocation doesn't directly impact ME, and it might not impact most owners of older PS3s because they don't use this feature.
But if they can take away the "Install Other OS" feature from older PS3s, how do I know they won't take away features I DO use?
What is my protection here?
This doesn't directly impact me, but it's a disturbing precedent.
Should I buy content on PSN, knowing they might disable my ability to use it sometime in the future?
Who owns this box sitting under my TV?
What did I actually buy?
Do I have a promise that it will retain any of its features?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654130</id>
	<title>Way to go, Sony!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shutting down the option which kept the PS3 from getting hacked early on is the best move they could have done. It's like putting up an extra challenge, because now there is all reason to crack this thing open.</p><p>Problem with these consoles is the money and control scheme in place with them. If you want to make a game, you have to go through Sony. They are the ones who allow/disallow making a game and they are the ones who also get paid for each box sold. That's why the Linux on the PS3 never had full access to the graphics, for example, because then everyone and their dog could have made cool 3D games without asking and paying Sony for it. In return, this extra income allows Sony to offer the actual hardware for less than what it is actually worth. Same principle goes for Nintendo and Microsoft, and if you look back it was the very same with Sega.</p><p>Which means in the end they just want to secure their cashcow scheme by removing the "Other OS" option because of the recent hack attempts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shutting down the option which kept the PS3 from getting hacked early on is the best move they could have done .
It 's like putting up an extra challenge , because now there is all reason to crack this thing open.Problem with these consoles is the money and control scheme in place with them .
If you want to make a game , you have to go through Sony .
They are the ones who allow/disallow making a game and they are the ones who also get paid for each box sold .
That 's why the Linux on the PS3 never had full access to the graphics , for example , because then everyone and their dog could have made cool 3D games without asking and paying Sony for it .
In return , this extra income allows Sony to offer the actual hardware for less than what it is actually worth .
Same principle goes for Nintendo and Microsoft , and if you look back it was the very same with Sega.Which means in the end they just want to secure their cashcow scheme by removing the " Other OS " option because of the recent hack attempts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shutting down the option which kept the PS3 from getting hacked early on is the best move they could have done.
It's like putting up an extra challenge, because now there is all reason to crack this thing open.Problem with these consoles is the money and control scheme in place with them.
If you want to make a game, you have to go through Sony.
They are the ones who allow/disallow making a game and they are the ones who also get paid for each box sold.
That's why the Linux on the PS3 never had full access to the graphics, for example, because then everyone and their dog could have made cool 3D games without asking and paying Sony for it.
In return, this extra income allows Sony to offer the actual hardware for less than what it is actually worth.
Same principle goes for Nintendo and Microsoft, and if you look back it was the very same with Sega.Which means in the end they just want to secure their cashcow scheme by removing the "Other OS" option because of the recent hack attempts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653044</id>
	<title>Emulator trouble?</title>
	<author>yeshuawatso</author>
	<datestamp>1269795000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if this has anything to do with emulators running on YellowDog?

It might have something to do with the new wiimote-like globe things and Sony not being able to lock them down like the GPU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if this has anything to do with emulators running on YellowDog ?
It might have something to do with the new wiimote-like globe things and Sony not being able to lock them down like the GPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if this has anything to do with emulators running on YellowDog?
It might have something to do with the new wiimote-like globe things and Sony not being able to lock them down like the GPU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658474</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>MikeBabcock</author>
	<datestamp>1269882900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw this coming as soon as Geo blogged how he'd managed to get around some of the protection on the PS3.</p><p>The community who wants PS3-like computing power can still purchase it.  You can purchase cell processor plug-in PCI cards for PCs too.</p><p>The whole feature was a bit of a novelty, except in some computing circles where it was used to save money on clusters (since the PS3 was/is sold as a loss-leader).</p><p>its a shame.  I used the feature. But I hardly see it as horrible or anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this coming as soon as Geo blogged how he 'd managed to get around some of the protection on the PS3.The community who wants PS3-like computing power can still purchase it .
You can purchase cell processor plug-in PCI cards for PCs too.The whole feature was a bit of a novelty , except in some computing circles where it was used to save money on clusters ( since the PS3 was/is sold as a loss-leader ) .its a shame .
I used the feature .
But I hardly see it as horrible or anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this coming as soon as Geo blogged how he'd managed to get around some of the protection on the PS3.The community who wants PS3-like computing power can still purchase it.
You can purchase cell processor plug-in PCI cards for PCs too.The whole feature was a bit of a novelty, except in some computing circles where it was used to save money on clusters (since the PS3 was/is sold as a loss-leader).its a shame.
I used the feature.
But I hardly see it as horrible or anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653030</id>
	<title>Re:what are the security concerns?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269794880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GeoHot's <a href="http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/02/on-isolated-spus.html" title="blogspot.com">hack</a> [blogspot.com] was obviously way easier to do because he had a powerful userspace to work from.</p><p>Perhaps this is what's spooking Sony.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GeoHot 's hack [ blogspot.com ] was obviously way easier to do because he had a powerful userspace to work from.Perhaps this is what 's spooking Sony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GeoHot's hack [blogspot.com] was obviously way easier to do because he had a powerful userspace to work from.Perhaps this is what's spooking Sony.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653386</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1269798540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no such thing as "consumer rights". There are "customer rights", but being a customer to be sold, and not a consumer to be culled has gone away. Remember Sony is run by the movie division. IP (theirs) is all that matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no such thing as " consumer rights " .
There are " customer rights " , but being a customer to be sold , and not a consumer to be culled has gone away .
Remember Sony is run by the movie division .
IP ( theirs ) is all that matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no such thing as "consumer rights".
There are "customer rights", but being a customer to be sold, and not a consumer to be culled has gone away.
Remember Sony is run by the movie division.
IP (theirs) is all that matters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654154</id>
	<title>Vector?</title>
	<author>cgenman</author>
	<datestamp>1269893760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, or does this imply that someone at Sony found a way to hack the PS3 firmware through the install other OS option?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or does this imply that someone at Sony found a way to hack the PS3 firmware through the install other OS option ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or does this imply that someone at Sony found a way to hack the PS3 firmware through the install other OS option?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653456</id>
	<title>who cares</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269799380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>really. who gives a damn. With that 64MB of RAM any graphical linux was simply useless on the PS3</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>really .
who gives a damn .
With that 64MB of RAM any graphical linux was simply useless on the PS3</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really.
who gives a damn.
With that 64MB of RAM any graphical linux was simply useless on the PS3</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654840</id>
	<title>Value</title>
	<author>fremean</author>
	<datestamp>1269860760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... I want half my money back as this will be disabling HALF the functionality of my PS3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... I want half my money back as this will be disabling HALF the functionality of my PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... I want half my money back as this will be disabling HALF the functionality of my PS3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31704566</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270145220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, at least I can use it as a grill...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , at least I can use it as a grill.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, at least I can use it as a grill...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31760760</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>cbreaker</author>
	<datestamp>1270652820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you really think that the sales of PS3 units for these purposes even makes a little tiny dent compared to the total number of PS3's sold?<br><br>I mean, does NASA have a secret stash of 600,000 of these things or something?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think that the sales of PS3 units for these purposes even makes a little tiny dent compared to the total number of PS3 's sold ? I mean , does NASA have a secret stash of 600,000 of these things or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think that the sales of PS3 units for these purposes even makes a little tiny dent compared to the total number of PS3's sold?I mean, does NASA have a secret stash of 600,000 of these things or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653222</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it doesn't seem that Sony ever gave you anything, if they can take it back whenever they want without you having any say. You are a serf who was granted some small favor from his lord. That small favor was taken back because one of you dared to question him; but sooner or later, for any reason or no reason, lord Sony might have changed their mind anyway.</p><p>Either the PlayStation 3 was secure, or it wasn't. If it was, then there is no reason to take any functionality away. If it wasn't, then it was simply a matter of time before someone, somewhere, by some method, did something that Sony didn't like. Either way, it's all because of Sony. They knew what kind of game they were playing; they've played it a dozen times before, and lost every time.</p><p>As for him achieving nothing useful, and as to whether he had any damn good reason; you have no idea precisely what he achieved, nor what could yet be achieved by him or others as a result of what he achieved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it does n't seem that Sony ever gave you anything , if they can take it back whenever they want without you having any say .
You are a serf who was granted some small favor from his lord .
That small favor was taken back because one of you dared to question him ; but sooner or later , for any reason or no reason , lord Sony might have changed their mind anyway.Either the PlayStation 3 was secure , or it was n't .
If it was , then there is no reason to take any functionality away .
If it was n't , then it was simply a matter of time before someone , somewhere , by some method , did something that Sony did n't like .
Either way , it 's all because of Sony .
They knew what kind of game they were playing ; they 've played it a dozen times before , and lost every time.As for him achieving nothing useful , and as to whether he had any damn good reason ; you have no idea precisely what he achieved , nor what could yet be achieved by him or others as a result of what he achieved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it doesn't seem that Sony ever gave you anything, if they can take it back whenever they want without you having any say.
You are a serf who was granted some small favor from his lord.
That small favor was taken back because one of you dared to question him; but sooner or later, for any reason or no reason, lord Sony might have changed their mind anyway.Either the PlayStation 3 was secure, or it wasn't.
If it was, then there is no reason to take any functionality away.
If it wasn't, then it was simply a matter of time before someone, somewhere, by some method, did something that Sony didn't like.
Either way, it's all because of Sony.
They knew what kind of game they were playing; they've played it a dozen times before, and lost every time.As for him achieving nothing useful, and as to whether he had any damn good reason; you have no idea precisely what he achieved, nor what could yet be achieved by him or others as a result of what he achieved.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658824</id>
	<title>Re:April 1st</title>
	<author>Inconexo</author>
	<datestamp>1269884700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. You are like the 20th in this thread. Instead of asking, you should use Ctrl+F.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
You are like the 20th in this thread .
Instead of asking , you should use Ctrl + F .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
You are like the 20th in this thread.
Instead of asking, you should use Ctrl+F.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653720</id>
	<title>Console game development</title>
	<author>Mongoose</author>
	<datestamp>1269802140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even professional console developers use PS3Linux at home and work for prototyping.  If they sold a Debugging Station for $2000 I'd rather do that, but then you need to do all that legal bullshit.  Also taking kits home would set a bad example / end up losing kits depending who does it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even professional console developers use PS3Linux at home and work for prototyping .
If they sold a Debugging Station for $ 2000 I 'd rather do that , but then you need to do all that legal bullshit .
Also taking kits home would set a bad example / end up losing kits depending who does it .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even professional console developers use PS3Linux at home and work for prototyping.
If they sold a Debugging Station for $2000 I'd rather do that, but then you need to do all that legal bullshit.
Also taking kits home would set a bad example / end up losing kits depending who does it.
:D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654950</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1269862500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we can only imagine a Beowulf cluster of those</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we can only imagine a Beowulf cluster of those</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we can only imagine a Beowulf cluster of those</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656282</id>
	<title>Violating the law?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269873840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is possible that Sony even violates the law by refusing Linux users access to their private data?<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer\_trespass<br>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenver\%C3\%A4nderung</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is possible that Sony even violates the law by refusing Linux users access to their private data ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer \ _trespasshttp : //de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenver \ % C3 \ % A4nderung</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is possible that Sony even violates the law by refusing Linux users access to their private data?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer\_trespasshttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenver\%C3\%A4nderung</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653642</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269801360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Anonymous Hacker with absolutely no clue about how the law works,</p><p>I paid for OtherOS - Sony will allow me to keep it and access their online network or I will destroy them in a lawsuit, plus press for criminal charges.</p><p>Successful EA Litigant - Versus Spore DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Anonymous Hacker with absolutely no clue about how the law works,I paid for OtherOS - Sony will allow me to keep it and access their online network or I will destroy them in a lawsuit , plus press for criminal charges.Successful EA Litigant - Versus Spore DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Anonymous Hacker with absolutely no clue about how the law works,I paid for OtherOS - Sony will allow me to keep it and access their online network or I will destroy them in a lawsuit, plus press for criminal charges.Successful EA Litigant - Versus Spore DRM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653042</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31659466</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1269887280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with your analogy is that a lot of people actually use the A/C in their cars.</p><p>And how is this eroding consumer rights?  They are removing a little used feature, one that I doubt by itself sold many, if any, consoles.  I'm sure people will still figure out a way to run linux.. they just won't have an easy as a time because sony isn't helping them anymore, not that they were obligated to provide this feature in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your analogy is that a lot of people actually use the A/C in their cars.And how is this eroding consumer rights ?
They are removing a little used feature , one that I doubt by itself sold many , if any , consoles .
I 'm sure people will still figure out a way to run linux.. they just wo n't have an easy as a time because sony is n't helping them anymore , not that they were obligated to provide this feature in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your analogy is that a lot of people actually use the A/C in their cars.And how is this eroding consumer rights?
They are removing a little used feature, one that I doubt by itself sold many, if any, consoles.
I'm sure people will still figure out a way to run linux.. they just won't have an easy as a time because sony isn't helping them anymore, not that they were obligated to provide this feature in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653518</id>
	<title>April 1st</title>
	<author>clintonmonk</author>
	<datestamp>1269799920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>am I the only one who noticed it's on april fools' day?</htmltext>
<tokenext>am I the only one who noticed it 's on april fools ' day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>am I the only one who noticed it's on april fools' day?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653150</id>
	<title>Re:It was going to happen..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269795900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People got into the hypervisor <b>by soldering stuff to the RAM</b> and pushing a button over 100 times, rebooting in between, until it works. Not exactly a practical attack for end-user piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People got into the hypervisor by soldering stuff to the RAM and pushing a button over 100 times , rebooting in between , until it works .
Not exactly a practical attack for end-user piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People got into the hypervisor by soldering stuff to the RAM and pushing a button over 100 times, rebooting in between, until it works.
Not exactly a practical attack for end-user piracy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653252</id>
	<title>Linux on the PS3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>256 megs of ram was kind of a limiting factor in using Linux on the PS3, though it would be cool to use the full power of the cell processor to re-encode video.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>256 megs of ram was kind of a limiting factor in using Linux on the PS3 , though it would be cool to use the full power of the cell processor to re-encode video .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>256 megs of ram was kind of a limiting factor in using Linux on the PS3, though it would be cool to use the full power of the cell processor to re-encode video.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653666</id>
	<title>Boooo!</title>
	<author>AshboryBass</author>
	<datestamp>1269801480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't used the Other OS feature on my PS3 that much, but it was a motivator for buying the unit. Now, it's going to be gone. Sad.

I'll remember this in in the future, SONY.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't used the Other OS feature on my PS3 that much , but it was a motivator for buying the unit .
Now , it 's going to be gone .
Sad . I 'll remember this in in the future , SONY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't used the Other OS feature on my PS3 that much, but it was a motivator for buying the unit.
Now, it's going to be gone.
Sad.

I'll remember this in in the future, SONY.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654560</id>
	<title>Has anyone else considered...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269856740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that given the release date this could be part of some elaborate April Fool's joke?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that given the release date this could be part of some elaborate April Fool 's joke ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that given the release date this could be part of some elaborate April Fool's joke?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653014</id>
	<title>"Other OS" and graphics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269794760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard the Other OS never had access to hardware accelerated graphic functions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard the Other OS never had access to hardware accelerated graphic functions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard the Other OS never had access to hardware accelerated graphic functions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653198</id>
	<title>EFF Help?</title>
	<author>flerchin</author>
	<datestamp>1269796260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't think of a better case for a class action lawsuit. They are extorting us out of features that we paid for. I bought this version of PS3 for several reasons, installing an alternative OS was high among them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't think of a better case for a class action lawsuit .
They are extorting us out of features that we paid for .
I bought this version of PS3 for several reasons , installing an alternative OS was high among them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't think of a better case for a class action lawsuit.
They are extorting us out of features that we paid for.
I bought this version of PS3 for several reasons, installing an alternative OS was high among them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31696946</id>
	<title>And a heartfelt...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270052460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F*** you, Sony.  You just guaranteed that this will be the last piece of consumer electronics I ever purchase from you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F * * * you , Sony .
You just guaranteed that this will be the last piece of consumer electronics I ever purchase from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F*** you, Sony.
You just guaranteed that this will be the last piece of consumer electronics I ever purchase from you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653184</id>
	<title>Obviously...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is an April fool's joke!  Sony has a wicked sense of humor, don't you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an April fool 's joke !
Sony has a wicked sense of humor , do n't you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an April fool's joke!
Sony has a wicked sense of humor, don't you think?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654778</id>
	<title>April Fool's Anyone?</title>
	<author>baloki</author>
	<datestamp>1269860040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact it's being done on "April 1st" doesn't ring any alarm bells?  Maybe I just become cynical around this time of year<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact it 's being done on " April 1st " does n't ring any alarm bells ?
Maybe I just become cynical around this time of year : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact it's being done on "April 1st" doesn't ring any alarm bells?
Maybe I just become cynical around this time of year :p</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31652964</id>
	<title>Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269794340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bummer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bummer ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bummer ....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656178</id>
	<title>April Fools.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269873300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow... no one seems to notice that this change is coming "April 1st".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow... no one seems to notice that this change is coming " April 1st " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow... no one seems to notice that this change is coming "April 1st".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657642</id>
	<title>What does the license agreement say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269879540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>Does the PS3's license agreement say that Sony can add or remove features at will?  If so, it seems like all the ranting and noise about a lawsuit is for naught.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the PS3 's license agreement say that Sony can add or remove features at will ?
If so , it seems like all the ranting and noise about a lawsuit is for naught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the PS3's license agreement say that Sony can add or remove features at will?
If so, it seems like all the ranting and noise about a lawsuit is for naught.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31652988</id>
	<title>what are the security concerns?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269794460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not <i>totally</i> implausible that the feature allows some sort of exploit, but I can't seem to find anything about one actually existing, or it having come up in the past as a security concern. Is that just a cover to remove it, or are there actually security concerns?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not totally implausible that the feature allows some sort of exploit , but I ca n't seem to find anything about one actually existing , or it having come up in the past as a security concern .
Is that just a cover to remove it , or are there actually security concerns ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not totally implausible that the feature allows some sort of exploit, but I can't seem to find anything about one actually existing, or it having come up in the past as a security concern.
Is that just a cover to remove it, or are there actually security concerns?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653138</id>
	<title>Best quote fta</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269795840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In addition, disabling the &ldquo;Other OS&rdquo; feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system.</p> </div><p>lulz...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition , disabling the    Other OS    feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system .
lulz.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition, disabling the “Other OS” feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system.
lulz...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653786</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>c1ay</author>
	<datestamp>1269802980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>More than a bummer. This option is what has made the PS3 a popular machine for clusters in the science community. This will be a big set back until a work around turns up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More than a bummer .
This option is what has made the PS3 a popular machine for clusters in the science community .
This will be a big set back until a work around turns up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More than a bummer.
This option is what has made the PS3 a popular machine for clusters in the science community.
This will be a big set back until a work around turns up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31652964</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653388</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1269798600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My question is: did they advertise the "other OS" thing as a feature of the PS3?</p><p>If so, now that they are removing it, would you have a case if you took them to small claims court for false advertising? You might want to consider trying that actually, if you feel like parting with your PS3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My question is : did they advertise the " other OS " thing as a feature of the PS3 ? If so , now that they are removing it , would you have a case if you took them to small claims court for false advertising ?
You might want to consider trying that actually , if you feel like parting with your PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My question is: did they advertise the "other OS" thing as a feature of the PS3?If so, now that they are removing it, would you have a case if you took them to small claims court for false advertising?
You might want to consider trying that actually, if you feel like parting with your PS3.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655636</id>
	<title>Advice!</title>
	<author>nomorecwrd</author>
	<datestamp>1269869760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never ever install anything that comes out on April 1st.
<br>
Don't be a fool!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never ever install anything that comes out on April 1st .
Do n't be a fool !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never ever install anything that comes out on April 1st.
Don't be a fool!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653624</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1269801060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>seriously wtf else is sony going to do? if they do nothing and the next hack is a serious one everyone will point the finger at how they did nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>seriously wtf else is sony going to do ?
if they do nothing and the next hack is a serious one everyone will point the finger at how they did nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seriously wtf else is sony going to do?
if they do nothing and the next hack is a serious one everyone will point the finger at how they did nothing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653802</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1269803160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Contact Finkelstein and Thompson in San Francisco - they rocked for my EA class action suit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Contact Finkelstein and Thompson in San Francisco - they rocked for my EA class action suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Contact Finkelstein and Thompson in San Francisco - they rocked for my EA class action suit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653532</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1269800100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away? I know, it didn't really work all that well.... </i> </p><p>1 Because the feature was never advertised and never of interest to the PS3's core market of console gamers? </p><p>2 Because the combination of Internet enabled HD video game console + Blu Ray player is beginning to look like a winner?</p><p> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/God-War-III-Playstation-3/dp/B000ZK9QCS/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=videogames&amp;qid=1269838934&amp;sr=1-1" title="amazon.com">God of War III</a> [amazon.com] is the number one best seller in console video games at Amazon.com. It's a Sony product and a PS3 "exclusive."</p><p>The only way to make money in mass market consumer technologies is in mass market consumer sales. "Feel Good" doesn't pay the bills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away ?
I know , it did n't really work all that well.... 1 Because the feature was never advertised and never of interest to the PS3 's core market of console gamers ?
2 Because the combination of Internet enabled HD video game console + Blu Ray player is beginning to look like a winner ?
God of War III [ amazon.com ] is the number one best seller in console video games at Amazon.com .
It 's a Sony product and a PS3 " exclusive .
" The only way to make money in mass market consumer technologies is in mass market consumer sales .
" Feel Good " does n't pay the bills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away?
I know, it didn't really work all that well....  1 Because the feature was never advertised and never of interest to the PS3's core market of console gamers?
2 Because the combination of Internet enabled HD video game console + Blu Ray player is beginning to look like a winner?
God of War III [amazon.com] is the number one best seller in console video games at Amazon.com.
It's a Sony product and a PS3 "exclusive.
"The only way to make money in mass market consumer technologies is in mass market consumer sales.
"Feel Good" doesn't pay the bills.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653372</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should learn to fucking read before telling other people what to do.</p><p>"accomplishing nothing" is very different then " nothing practically useful".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should learn to fucking read before telling other people what to do .
" accomplishing nothing " is very different then " nothing practically useful " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should learn to fucking read before telling other people what to do.
"accomplishing nothing" is very different then " nothing practically useful".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653870</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269803880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it hurts when a punk kid is 10 times smarter than you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it hurts when a punk kid is 10 times smarter than you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it hurts when a punk kid is 10 times smarter than you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653302</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>nobodyman</author>
	<datestamp>1269797700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, pretty much killed linux on the PS2 as well, so anyone who is surprised by this move doesn't know them very well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , pretty much killed linux on the PS2 as well , so anyone who is surprised by this move does n't know them very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, pretty much killed linux on the PS2 as well, so anyone who is surprised by this move doesn't know them very well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31661732</id>
	<title>Bastards!</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269854640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like a dick move, but I already found a way around it before I even bought a PS3 slim; I have a <em>real</em> computer connected to my television.</p><p>I don't exploit distributed computing in any way, however, but the previous "Other OS" still gimped the potential of a PS3 for it. It was just inexpensive and on Sony's tab because they're not selling a computer, they'll selling a gaming system and the fact is they have some price competition to deal with. They subsidize with the expectations people will buy games, lots of games, and lots of people do.</p><p>No love lost here for me, and besides... this will only force the hand of the homebrew community. Sony turned a challenge into a tournament and now they'll have to face that. In the next couple years we'll really see how sturdy the PS3 is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a dick move , but I already found a way around it before I even bought a PS3 slim ; I have a real computer connected to my television.I do n't exploit distributed computing in any way , however , but the previous " Other OS " still gimped the potential of a PS3 for it .
It was just inexpensive and on Sony 's tab because they 're not selling a computer , they 'll selling a gaming system and the fact is they have some price competition to deal with .
They subsidize with the expectations people will buy games , lots of games , and lots of people do.No love lost here for me , and besides... this will only force the hand of the homebrew community .
Sony turned a challenge into a tournament and now they 'll have to face that .
In the next couple years we 'll really see how sturdy the PS3 is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a dick move, but I already found a way around it before I even bought a PS3 slim; I have a real computer connected to my television.I don't exploit distributed computing in any way, however, but the previous "Other OS" still gimped the potential of a PS3 for it.
It was just inexpensive and on Sony's tab because they're not selling a computer, they'll selling a gaming system and the fact is they have some price competition to deal with.
They subsidize with the expectations people will buy games, lots of games, and lots of people do.No love lost here for me, and besides... this will only force the hand of the homebrew community.
Sony turned a challenge into a tournament and now they'll have to face that.
In the next couple years we'll really see how sturdy the PS3 is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653212</id>
	<title>Re:"Other OS" and graphics</title>
	<author>toastar</author>
	<datestamp>1269796320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Twice the memory bandwidth would have made a useful platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Twice the memory bandwidth would have made a useful platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Twice the memory bandwidth would have made a useful platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31707982</id>
	<title>Sign an e-petition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270232700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/playstation321/signatures/1" title="petitionspot.com" rel="nofollow">Rescind Playstation System Update 3.21</a> [petitionspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rescind Playstation System Update 3.21 [ petitionspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rescind Playstation System Update 3.21 [petitionspot.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653556</id>
	<title>class action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269800340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>class action</i>
<br>
<br>
You will make some law firm very happy, and you will get a coupon for future Sony product purchases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>class action You will make some law firm very happy , and you will get a coupon for future Sony product purchases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>class action


You will make some law firm very happy, and you will get a coupon for future Sony product purchases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653634</id>
	<title>What if General Motors did this?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1269801180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
There would be an uproar heard in Congress if General Motors used their OnStar download links to remove a feature.  Suppose GM did something so that third-party audio players like the iPod couldn't use the car's speakers.  This isn't totally unreasonable. GM's onboard entertainment system has a port for connecting a CD changer.  If you didn't buy the CD changer option, that port is unused. There are <a href="http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9MIUwgISbcC/p\_581PA11GM/USA-Spec-iPod-Interface.html" title="crutchfield.com">third-party non-GM adapter kits</a> [crutchfield.com] for connecting an iPod to that port. The dashboard CD changer controls then control the iPod.
</p><p>
GM could probably download an update to change the interface so that this would no longer work. GM would prefer that customers buy a GM audio source; they remarket XM Radio.  Arguably, the iPod is a device for pirating music, and removing that capability would enhance the security of the system.  It would also eliminate the possibility of unauthorized iPod software interfering with the car's networks, and perhaps the OnStar system.
</p><p>
So why shouldn't GM do that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There would be an uproar heard in Congress if General Motors used their OnStar download links to remove a feature .
Suppose GM did something so that third-party audio players like the iPod could n't use the car 's speakers .
This is n't totally unreasonable .
GM 's onboard entertainment system has a port for connecting a CD changer .
If you did n't buy the CD changer option , that port is unused .
There are third-party non-GM adapter kits [ crutchfield.com ] for connecting an iPod to that port .
The dashboard CD changer controls then control the iPod .
GM could probably download an update to change the interface so that this would no longer work .
GM would prefer that customers buy a GM audio source ; they remarket XM Radio .
Arguably , the iPod is a device for pirating music , and removing that capability would enhance the security of the system .
It would also eliminate the possibility of unauthorized iPod software interfering with the car 's networks , and perhaps the OnStar system .
So why should n't GM do that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
There would be an uproar heard in Congress if General Motors used their OnStar download links to remove a feature.
Suppose GM did something so that third-party audio players like the iPod couldn't use the car's speakers.
This isn't totally unreasonable.
GM's onboard entertainment system has a port for connecting a CD changer.
If you didn't buy the CD changer option, that port is unused.
There are third-party non-GM adapter kits [crutchfield.com] for connecting an iPod to that port.
The dashboard CD changer controls then control the iPod.
GM could probably download an update to change the interface so that this would no longer work.
GM would prefer that customers buy a GM audio source; they remarket XM Radio.
Arguably, the iPod is a device for pirating music, and removing that capability would enhance the security of the system.
It would also eliminate the possibility of unauthorized iPod software interfering with the car's networks, and perhaps the OnStar system.
So why shouldn't GM do that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657038</id>
	<title>Submit an FTC complaint</title>
	<author>johndoe42</author>
	<datestamp>1269877200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While suing Sony sounds great, it involves finding a lawyer (ideally a class action lawyer) to handle it.  But here in the US, we have another mechanism: the FTC.</p><p>If enough of us file FTC complaints online, they might take note.  I wrote something like the text at the bottom of this post.</p><p>The company in question is:<br>Sony Computer Entertainment America<br>919 East Hillsdale Boulevard<br>Foster City, CA 94404</p><p>---BEGIN FTC COMPLAINT---</p><p>Sony (as Sony Consumer Entertainment America, Inc.) sells, and has sold for several years, a popular device called the Playstation 3.  Up until now, this device has two features of note:</p><p>1. It supports a feature called "Install Other OS."  This allows users to install operating systems such as Linux on their Playstation 3, which many users use for scientific and other purposes.</p><p>2. It supports something called the PlayStation Network.  This is an online network of gaming users and is critical to obtaining the full gaming experience advertised by Sony.</p><p>Yesterday, Sony announced (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/) that they were going to disable the "Install Other OS" feature on all PlayStation 3 units, even those already sold.  Users can opt out of this disablement, but that will in turn disable PlayStation Network.</p><p>Sony claims that this is due to "security concerns."  These security concerns are probably that Sony realized that "Install Other OS" might allow PS3 owners to bypass digital rights management restrictions.  In other words, Sony is crippling an existing product to aid in preventing users from doing something that may hurt Sony's relationship with content developers.  (Users attacking the Playstation 3 may or may not be legal, but that shouldn't matter here.)</p><p>I am not an expert in the relevant law, but it seems to me that a company should not be permitted to disable functionality of products already sold, especially when the reason that they disable that functionality is to prevent their users from doing something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While suing Sony sounds great , it involves finding a lawyer ( ideally a class action lawyer ) to handle it .
But here in the US , we have another mechanism : the FTC.If enough of us file FTC complaints online , they might take note .
I wrote something like the text at the bottom of this post.The company in question is : Sony Computer Entertainment America919 East Hillsdale BoulevardFoster City , CA 94404---BEGIN FTC COMPLAINT---Sony ( as Sony Consumer Entertainment America , Inc. ) sells , and has sold for several years , a popular device called the Playstation 3 .
Up until now , this device has two features of note : 1 .
It supports a feature called " Install Other OS .
" This allows users to install operating systems such as Linux on their Playstation 3 , which many users use for scientific and other purposes.2 .
It supports something called the PlayStation Network .
This is an online network of gaming users and is critical to obtaining the full gaming experience advertised by Sony.Yesterday , Sony announced ( http : //blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ ) that they were going to disable the " Install Other OS " feature on all PlayStation 3 units , even those already sold .
Users can opt out of this disablement , but that will in turn disable PlayStation Network.Sony claims that this is due to " security concerns .
" These security concerns are probably that Sony realized that " Install Other OS " might allow PS3 owners to bypass digital rights management restrictions .
In other words , Sony is crippling an existing product to aid in preventing users from doing something that may hurt Sony 's relationship with content developers .
( Users attacking the Playstation 3 may or may not be legal , but that should n't matter here .
) I am not an expert in the relevant law , but it seems to me that a company should not be permitted to disable functionality of products already sold , especially when the reason that they disable that functionality is to prevent their users from doing something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While suing Sony sounds great, it involves finding a lawyer (ideally a class action lawyer) to handle it.
But here in the US, we have another mechanism: the FTC.If enough of us file FTC complaints online, they might take note.
I wrote something like the text at the bottom of this post.The company in question is:Sony Computer Entertainment America919 East Hillsdale BoulevardFoster City, CA 94404---BEGIN FTC COMPLAINT---Sony (as Sony Consumer Entertainment America, Inc.) sells, and has sold for several years, a popular device called the Playstation 3.
Up until now, this device has two features of note:1.
It supports a feature called "Install Other OS.
"  This allows users to install operating systems such as Linux on their Playstation 3, which many users use for scientific and other purposes.2.
It supports something called the PlayStation Network.
This is an online network of gaming users and is critical to obtaining the full gaming experience advertised by Sony.Yesterday, Sony announced (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/) that they were going to disable the "Install Other OS" feature on all PlayStation 3 units, even those already sold.
Users can opt out of this disablement, but that will in turn disable PlayStation Network.Sony claims that this is due to "security concerns.
"  These security concerns are probably that Sony realized that "Install Other OS" might allow PS3 owners to bypass digital rights management restrictions.
In other words, Sony is crippling an existing product to aid in preventing users from doing something that may hurt Sony's relationship with content developers.
(Users attacking the Playstation 3 may or may not be legal, but that shouldn't matter here.
)I am not an expert in the relevant law, but it seems to me that a company should not be permitted to disable functionality of products already sold, especially when the reason that they disable that functionality is to prevent their users from doing something.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31673796</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1269973440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess you know nothing much about how the system works, so I'll explain a little bit.</p><p>Enough lawsuits concerning violation of property rights will eventually lead to some very harsh laws being enforced.</p><p>See, I have the opportunity to hit Sony so hard and immediately EXCLUDE them from the 4th largest economy on the planet - California. I live here, I can sue here and get a permanent injunction barring the sale of all Sony goods.</p><p>Of course, since you think ONLY MONEY gets involved in a class-action suit, I see where you get the dumbass notion that class-actions only make lawyers rich.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you know nothing much about how the system works , so I 'll explain a little bit.Enough lawsuits concerning violation of property rights will eventually lead to some very harsh laws being enforced.See , I have the opportunity to hit Sony so hard and immediately EXCLUDE them from the 4th largest economy on the planet - California .
I live here , I can sue here and get a permanent injunction barring the sale of all Sony goods.Of course , since you think ONLY MONEY gets involved in a class-action suit , I see where you get the dumbass notion that class-actions only make lawyers rich .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you know nothing much about how the system works, so I'll explain a little bit.Enough lawsuits concerning violation of property rights will eventually lead to some very harsh laws being enforced.See, I have the opportunity to hit Sony so hard and immediately EXCLUDE them from the 4th largest economy on the planet - California.
I live here, I can sue here and get a permanent injunction barring the sale of all Sony goods.Of course, since you think ONLY MONEY gets involved in a class-action suit, I see where you get the dumbass notion that class-actions only make lawyers rich.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657330</id>
	<title>Hack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269878340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can agree with what malloc said but in case you didn't know, Linux distros are often used for hacking, I can think of two that you could do some serious damage with. So removing that would provide security for both pirated software and destruction of web servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can agree with what malloc said but in case you did n't know , Linux distros are often used for hacking , I can think of two that you could do some serious damage with .
So removing that would provide security for both pirated software and destruction of web servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can agree with what malloc said but in case you didn't know, Linux distros are often used for hacking, I can think of two that you could do some serious damage with.
So removing that would provide security for both pirated software and destruction of web servers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653322</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269797880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Sony wasn't so overbearing and stupid with their anti-homebrew efforts, people wouldn't have to "attack" their security.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Sony was n't so overbearing and stupid with their anti-homebrew efforts , people would n't have to " attack " their security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Sony wasn't so overbearing and stupid with their anti-homebrew efforts, people wouldn't have to "attack" their security.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31696688</id>
	<title>Buy a used PC, and quit whining</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1270050360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much is the PS3 now; about $400 AUD?  I can get a second hand PC with a 3 Ghz processor and at least 1 Gb of RAM for less than that.  Some places will include an LCD monitor in that price, although if they don't, a refurbished one of those will cost you $100.  With that, you can do everything that you'd want to do on a PS3 running Linux, and no soldering iron required.  The last console I owned was a CBS Colecovision; for me it's been all PC ever since.</p><p>I know; I'll probably also get the usual illiterate, Trotskyite, Eurotrash 14 year old from Stallman's drone army, spluttering in rage in response to this, but I really don't care.  If you're one of the people who is obsessed with the cool factor of running Linux on devices which weren't intended for it, I'd suggest you get a life.  If you're also one of the brainwashed cultists who thinks that the entire planet needs to be brought under the unholy dominion of Richard Stallman, then again, get a life.  Forcible deprogramming might help in the latter case, too.</p><p>But Sony are needlessly being evil, corporate douchebags about this, I hear you say?  Tell me something I don't know.  I honestly wouldn't be surprised if such was part of Sony's corporate motto; being enthusiastically evil at every possible opportunity, is fairly simply what they do.</p><p>The answer is simple, though, Slick.  Vote with your wallet, because being the corporate reptiles that they are, that's all they care about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much is the PS3 now ; about $ 400 AUD ?
I can get a second hand PC with a 3 Ghz processor and at least 1 Gb of RAM for less than that .
Some places will include an LCD monitor in that price , although if they do n't , a refurbished one of those will cost you $ 100 .
With that , you can do everything that you 'd want to do on a PS3 running Linux , and no soldering iron required .
The last console I owned was a CBS Colecovision ; for me it 's been all PC ever since.I know ; I 'll probably also get the usual illiterate , Trotskyite , Eurotrash 14 year old from Stallman 's drone army , spluttering in rage in response to this , but I really do n't care .
If you 're one of the people who is obsessed with the cool factor of running Linux on devices which were n't intended for it , I 'd suggest you get a life .
If you 're also one of the brainwashed cultists who thinks that the entire planet needs to be brought under the unholy dominion of Richard Stallman , then again , get a life .
Forcible deprogramming might help in the latter case , too.But Sony are needlessly being evil , corporate douchebags about this , I hear you say ?
Tell me something I do n't know .
I honestly would n't be surprised if such was part of Sony 's corporate motto ; being enthusiastically evil at every possible opportunity , is fairly simply what they do.The answer is simple , though , Slick .
Vote with your wallet , because being the corporate reptiles that they are , that 's all they care about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much is the PS3 now; about $400 AUD?
I can get a second hand PC with a 3 Ghz processor and at least 1 Gb of RAM for less than that.
Some places will include an LCD monitor in that price, although if they don't, a refurbished one of those will cost you $100.
With that, you can do everything that you'd want to do on a PS3 running Linux, and no soldering iron required.
The last console I owned was a CBS Colecovision; for me it's been all PC ever since.I know; I'll probably also get the usual illiterate, Trotskyite, Eurotrash 14 year old from Stallman's drone army, spluttering in rage in response to this, but I really don't care.
If you're one of the people who is obsessed with the cool factor of running Linux on devices which weren't intended for it, I'd suggest you get a life.
If you're also one of the brainwashed cultists who thinks that the entire planet needs to be brought under the unholy dominion of Richard Stallman, then again, get a life.
Forcible deprogramming might help in the latter case, too.But Sony are needlessly being evil, corporate douchebags about this, I hear you say?
Tell me something I don't know.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if such was part of Sony's corporate motto; being enthusiastically evil at every possible opportunity, is fairly simply what they do.The answer is simple, though, Slick.
Vote with your wallet, because being the corporate reptiles that they are, that's all they care about.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31660094</id>
	<title>Re:They're still advertising the feature</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1269890100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Advertising?  Did you go looking for that, or is it reachable by clicking from their pages on the PS3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Advertising ?
Did you go looking for that , or is it reachable by clicking from their pages on the PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Advertising?
Did you go looking for that, or is it reachable by clicking from their pages on the PS3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653346</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Mitchell314</author>
	<datestamp>1269798240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aw man, this means I'll have to take off the "My other OS is Other OS" sticker on my PS3.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aw man , this means I 'll have to take off the " My other OS is Other OS " sticker on my PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aw man, this means I'll have to take off the "My other OS is Other OS" sticker on my PS3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656562</id>
	<title>Bull</title>
	<author>Kc\_spot</author>
	<datestamp>1269875040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 (PS3) system will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST)"

I smell a april fools joke... smells like cheese...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 ( PS3 ) system will be released on April 1 , 2010 ( JST ) " I smell a april fools joke... smells like cheese.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 (PS3) system will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST)"

I smell a april fools joke... smells like cheese...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31662046</id>
	<title>Re:$10 vouchers in 2015</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269856140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[...]  i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.</p></div><p>I didn't either, that's why I still have it.</p><p>Too bad I have a slim, I won't get a voucher. *sadness*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.I did n't either , that 's why I still have it.Too bad I have a slim , I wo n't get a voucher .
* sadness *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...]  i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.I didn't either, that's why I still have it.Too bad I have a slim, I won't get a voucher.
*sadness*
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654284</id>
	<title>Old news?</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1269895860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reason this story seems like I've already heard it a long ass time ago.</p><p>At any rate, the fact that Sony went so far as to implement a freaking HYPERVISOR to lock everyone but themselves out of the full capabilities of the hardware shows how much they support third party code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason this story seems like I 've already heard it a long ass time ago.At any rate , the fact that Sony went so far as to implement a freaking HYPERVISOR to lock everyone but themselves out of the full capabilities of the hardware shows how much they support third party code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason this story seems like I've already heard it a long ass time ago.At any rate, the fact that Sony went so far as to implement a freaking HYPERVISOR to lock everyone but themselves out of the full capabilities of the hardware shows how much they support third party code.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653320</id>
	<title>Re:what are the security concerns?</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1269797820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That you would buy a ps3 and only play free open source opengl supported games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That you would buy a ps3 and only play free open source opengl supported games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That you would buy a ps3 and only play free open source opengl supported games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655424</id>
	<title>OMG... Ponies!!!</title>
	<author>Corporate Drone</author>
	<datestamp>1269868140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sigh... I got nothin'...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sigh... I got nothin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sigh... I got nothin'...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658144</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269881460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The NXE removed the "subscription" feature which allowed you to set your 360 to automatically download new demos and such.</p></div><p>Except that in turn, it gave 360 users the ability to create a queue for things to be downloaded to their 360 from, get this... a web browser. Instead of "all or nothing AHAHAHAHA!", it's now <em>What do you want to try or buy today?</em></p><p>I can be in the break room at work, and someone tells me about a game that I might actually play. I can wander over to a computer, log in to xbox.com, put the name of a game in and see if there's a demo. Oh, there IS a demo. Let's put it in the download queue. DONE. Oh, there's add-on levels for Mirror's Edge, and they're on sale today only for 400 MSP, but I won't be home for a week because I'm on vacation? Buy 'em anyway and queue it up!</p><p>All without receiving demos for Guitar Hero and its ilk.</p><p>Saves me bandwidth, saves them bandwidth, and saves my puny 20 GB hard drive for more important things (such as stuff that I want).</p><p>All of this text serves a purpose (this is the <em>tl;dr</em> section for y'all):<br>Microsoft took a feature away, but actually gave something back in exchange that was of similar value. While this company has a record of being hostile to its customers, they appear to be trying not to screw everyone over at least once, which is, for this company, unexpected.</p><p>Sony took away a feature with a hardware change. We can deal with this if we have older hardware, right? We think that if someone really wanted that feature, they'd have already bought a machine, right?<br>But then they go back with a firmware/software change to take it away from that older hardware that was still capable of a feature? How is this anything less than a company being hostile toward its users? It's par for the course with this company, and an expected dick move.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The NXE removed the " subscription " feature which allowed you to set your 360 to automatically download new demos and such.Except that in turn , it gave 360 users the ability to create a queue for things to be downloaded to their 360 from , get this... a web browser .
Instead of " all or nothing AHAHAHAHA !
" , it 's now What do you want to try or buy today ? I can be in the break room at work , and someone tells me about a game that I might actually play .
I can wander over to a computer , log in to xbox.com , put the name of a game in and see if there 's a demo .
Oh , there IS a demo .
Let 's put it in the download queue .
DONE. Oh , there 's add-on levels for Mirror 's Edge , and they 're on sale today only for 400 MSP , but I wo n't be home for a week because I 'm on vacation ?
Buy 'em anyway and queue it up ! All without receiving demos for Guitar Hero and its ilk.Saves me bandwidth , saves them bandwidth , and saves my puny 20 GB hard drive for more important things ( such as stuff that I want ) .All of this text serves a purpose ( this is the tl ; dr section for y'all ) : Microsoft took a feature away , but actually gave something back in exchange that was of similar value .
While this company has a record of being hostile to its customers , they appear to be trying not to screw everyone over at least once , which is , for this company , unexpected.Sony took away a feature with a hardware change .
We can deal with this if we have older hardware , right ?
We think that if someone really wanted that feature , they 'd have already bought a machine , right ? But then they go back with a firmware/software change to take it away from that older hardware that was still capable of a feature ?
How is this anything less than a company being hostile toward its users ?
It 's par for the course with this company , and an expected dick move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NXE removed the "subscription" feature which allowed you to set your 360 to automatically download new demos and such.Except that in turn, it gave 360 users the ability to create a queue for things to be downloaded to their 360 from, get this... a web browser.
Instead of "all or nothing AHAHAHAHA!
", it's now What do you want to try or buy today?I can be in the break room at work, and someone tells me about a game that I might actually play.
I can wander over to a computer, log in to xbox.com, put the name of a game in and see if there's a demo.
Oh, there IS a demo.
Let's put it in the download queue.
DONE. Oh, there's add-on levels for Mirror's Edge, and they're on sale today only for 400 MSP, but I won't be home for a week because I'm on vacation?
Buy 'em anyway and queue it up!All without receiving demos for Guitar Hero and its ilk.Saves me bandwidth, saves them bandwidth, and saves my puny 20 GB hard drive for more important things (such as stuff that I want).All of this text serves a purpose (this is the tl;dr section for y'all):Microsoft took a feature away, but actually gave something back in exchange that was of similar value.
While this company has a record of being hostile to its customers, they appear to be trying not to screw everyone over at least once, which is, for this company, unexpected.Sony took away a feature with a hardware change.
We can deal with this if we have older hardware, right?
We think that if someone really wanted that feature, they'd have already bought a machine, right?But then they go back with a firmware/software change to take it away from that older hardware that was still capable of a feature?
How is this anything less than a company being hostile toward its users?
It's par for the course with this company, and an expected dick move.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653650</id>
	<title>They're still advertising the feature</title>
	<author>acid06</author>
	<datestamp>1269801420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're still advertising the "Open Platform" feature on their website:<br><a href="http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html" title="playstation.com">http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html</a> [playstation.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>"There is more to the PLAYSTATION&#174;3 (PS3(TM)) computer entertainment system than you may have assumed. In addition to playing games, watching movies, listening to music, and viewing photos, you can use the PS3(TM) system to run the Linux operating system."</p></div><p>Let's see how long that page lasts...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're still advertising the " Open Platform " feature on their website : http : //www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html [ playstation.com ] " There is more to the PLAYSTATION   3 ( PS3 ( TM ) ) computer entertainment system than you may have assumed .
In addition to playing games , watching movies , listening to music , and viewing photos , you can use the PS3 ( TM ) system to run the Linux operating system .
" Let 's see how long that page lasts.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're still advertising the "Open Platform" feature on their website:http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html [playstation.com] "There is more to the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3(TM)) computer entertainment system than you may have assumed.
In addition to playing games, watching movies, listening to music, and viewing photos, you can use the PS3(TM) system to run the Linux operating system.
"Let's see how long that page lasts...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31666534</id>
	<title>Silver lining?</title>
	<author>$pace6host</author>
	<datestamp>1269884400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As the owner of a "Slim" PS3, I'm hoping that this prompts a complete crack of the whole HV system, so I can eventually install Linux on this thing. No, I don't want to pirate games or anything like that, I just want the ability to run a better browser on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As the owner of a " Slim " PS3 , I 'm hoping that this prompts a complete crack of the whole HV system , so I can eventually install Linux on this thing .
No , I do n't want to pirate games or anything like that , I just want the ability to run a better browser on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the owner of a "Slim" PS3, I'm hoping that this prompts a complete crack of the whole HV system, so I can eventually install Linux on this thing.
No, I don't want to pirate games or anything like that, I just want the ability to run a better browser on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654754</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>wisdom\_brewing</author>
	<datestamp>1269859800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>1st of april release? Doesnt that seem a bit... Foolish?</htmltext>
<tokenext>1st of april release ?
Doesnt that seem a bit... Foolish ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1st of april release?
Doesnt that seem a bit... Foolish?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31665384</id>
	<title>Re:What does the license agreement say?</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1269874320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The first generation PS3's had full hardware support for PS2 games - as support for the PS2 gamer was slowly extinguished in later versions of the console, do you recall any successful class action lawsuits there?</i> <br> <br>I may be misunderstanding the point, but I thought the first ones had PS2 support, and *still* have PS2 support.  They didn't have that ability extinguished by an update.  The later versions no longer had that feature, and so that was removed from the box and marketing material.  But no one ever sold a PS3 with PS2 support then retroactively removed that feature.<br> <br>Or maybe they did, I don't have a PS3 and so didn't pay any attention to the firmware updates that didn't make the news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first generation PS3 's had full hardware support for PS2 games - as support for the PS2 gamer was slowly extinguished in later versions of the console , do you recall any successful class action lawsuits there ?
I may be misunderstanding the point , but I thought the first ones had PS2 support , and * still * have PS2 support .
They did n't have that ability extinguished by an update .
The later versions no longer had that feature , and so that was removed from the box and marketing material .
But no one ever sold a PS3 with PS2 support then retroactively removed that feature .
Or maybe they did , I do n't have a PS3 and so did n't pay any attention to the firmware updates that did n't make the news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first generation PS3's had full hardware support for PS2 games - as support for the PS2 gamer was slowly extinguished in later versions of the console, do you recall any successful class action lawsuits there?
I may be misunderstanding the point, but I thought the first ones had PS2 support, and *still* have PS2 support.
They didn't have that ability extinguished by an update.
The later versions no longer had that feature, and so that was removed from the box and marketing material.
But no one ever sold a PS3 with PS2 support then retroactively removed that feature.
Or maybe they did, I don't have a PS3 and so didn't pay any attention to the firmware updates that didn't make the news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655182</id>
	<title>Not just bait...</title>
	<author>iapetus</author>
	<datestamp>1269865080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but also switch, surely?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but also switch , surely ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but also switch, surely?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654056</id>
	<title>April Fools?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269806220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST)"<br>April Fools maybe?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" will be released on April 1 , 2010 ( JST ) " April Fools maybe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST)"April Fools maybe?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658648</id>
	<title>Why is this a surprise? You get what you pay for..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269883800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you buy a closed console, you are not in control of the device. Matter of fact, Sony can retroactively remove features from your machine if they think it is a good idea. All they have to do is push an update that does this and make it mandatory for users to install. New game x won't run without the latest version of the firmware, so you can either keep (relative) control over your hardware, or let them take it away entirely via the update.</p><p>It is just one more reason not to buy anything from Sony, let alone the whole rootkit thing. Then again, I'm sure all of the people who were upset about the rootkit went out and purchased a PS3 anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you buy a closed console , you are not in control of the device .
Matter of fact , Sony can retroactively remove features from your machine if they think it is a good idea .
All they have to do is push an update that does this and make it mandatory for users to install .
New game x wo n't run without the latest version of the firmware , so you can either keep ( relative ) control over your hardware , or let them take it away entirely via the update.It is just one more reason not to buy anything from Sony , let alone the whole rootkit thing .
Then again , I 'm sure all of the people who were upset about the rootkit went out and purchased a PS3 anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you buy a closed console, you are not in control of the device.
Matter of fact, Sony can retroactively remove features from your machine if they think it is a good idea.
All they have to do is push an update that does this and make it mandatory for users to install.
New game x won't run without the latest version of the firmware, so you can either keep (relative) control over your hardware, or let them take it away entirely via the update.It is just one more reason not to buy anything from Sony, let alone the whole rootkit thing.
Then again, I'm sure all of the people who were upset about the rootkit went out and purchased a PS3 anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653686</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>badasscat</author>
	<datestamp>1269801780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I dunno, they had this neat technology called "rumble" that they introduced partway through the life cycle, and it seemed to catch on pretty well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;D</p></div><p>Yeah, and that tactic worked so well, they did it twice!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , they had this neat technology called " rumble " that they introduced partway through the life cycle , and it seemed to catch on pretty well ; DYeah , and that tactic worked so well , they did it twice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, they had this neat technology called "rumble" that they introduced partway through the life cycle, and it seemed to catch on pretty well ;DYeah, and that tactic worked so well, they did it twice!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31675772</id>
	<title>Letter I sent to Sony, for shits and giggles</title>
	<author>kennyj449</author>
	<datestamp>1269980940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Sony,</p><p>I am writing to complain about the new 3.21 firmware update.  I went through a lot of trouble to obtain a 60GB PS3, partially for the backwards compatiblity with PS2 titles, and partially for the Other OS feature.  As an electronics hobbiest, I built it from parts out of non-working systems, as this was far cheaper than the alternative (essentially paying someone else to do the same for me) although still more expensive than buying a Slim.  Then the unit was stolen in an apartment robbery just as I finished work on it, and I did it all again.  I have, in total, spent a little over a thousand dollars on PS3 systems, parts, games, and accessories (and the games and accessories were all purchased new.)  One of the main features I intended to make use of was OtherOS.</p><p>I almost didn't purchase a PS3 at all because of the XCP debacle some years back, as this demonstrated a certain contempt for customers as well as an astounding level of arrogance, not to mention an overall lack of responsibility on the part of a trusted content provider.  In fact, the aforementioned has caused me to look at other brands first in most product categories.  The fact that you are releasing an update specifically to remove a feature, and not to address any of the numerous bugs on the system (such as the web browser that seems to freeze the system habitually during use) only serves to reinforce the notion that you still hold a certain level of disdain for your paying customers.</p><p>I really wish that I could treat my customers like criminals after they've paid me their hard-earned money and cancel services they've paid for once they're no longer convenient for me.  Of course, I'd be out of a job, and most businesses would close down if they acted in such a fashion.  I really don't see why you can't update the hypervisor to close the hole, or simply be content with the fact that first-gen consoles are becoming harder and more expensive to obtain compared to their newer kin - as well as the fact that the only exploits that currently exist require advanced skills and delicate modifications to the PS3 hardware.  Instead, you're putting your normal users through the risks of a firmware update simply to remove a feature they know nothing about, and you're simultaneously telling a small but highly taltented niche that you no longer want their business, and - most troubling - that they won't be able to continue using their systems as they're accustomed WITHOUT resorting to hardware modification.</p><p>I do hope you realize that the hobson's choice you've presented your advanced users with is only going to encourage significantly harder and more in-depth work on finding workarounds for every last ounce of security your system has.  The majority of the users you're disenfranchising are the type who have little to no fear of taking a soldering iron to their PS3, who in the past would've been happy to dabble with their interests within the confines of the sandbox you provided.  You've just given them a reason to do so.  I myself am probably going to break out the soldering iron in the very near future.</p><p>The funny thing is, every time attempts are made to squash potentially threatening technology, said technology always gets a lot more attention than it did before.  Remember the MP3 format and the Diamond Rio PMP?  DeCSS?  How about the significant step forward in CD ripping techniques that came about as a result of the efforts you and others made to obliterate Red Book compliance as thoroughly as possible, even to the point of your own XCP debacle?  Most people had never heard of the PS3 exploits before Marth 28, but now some individuals with a high level of skill and a lot of time on their hands are very, very motivated to change that.  When piracy on the PS3 finally does become a problem, I hope you'll be able to rest well with the knowledge that you initiated the chain reaction yourselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Sony,I am writing to complain about the new 3.21 firmware update .
I went through a lot of trouble to obtain a 60GB PS3 , partially for the backwards compatiblity with PS2 titles , and partially for the Other OS feature .
As an electronics hobbiest , I built it from parts out of non-working systems , as this was far cheaper than the alternative ( essentially paying someone else to do the same for me ) although still more expensive than buying a Slim .
Then the unit was stolen in an apartment robbery just as I finished work on it , and I did it all again .
I have , in total , spent a little over a thousand dollars on PS3 systems , parts , games , and accessories ( and the games and accessories were all purchased new .
) One of the main features I intended to make use of was OtherOS.I almost did n't purchase a PS3 at all because of the XCP debacle some years back , as this demonstrated a certain contempt for customers as well as an astounding level of arrogance , not to mention an overall lack of responsibility on the part of a trusted content provider .
In fact , the aforementioned has caused me to look at other brands first in most product categories .
The fact that you are releasing an update specifically to remove a feature , and not to address any of the numerous bugs on the system ( such as the web browser that seems to freeze the system habitually during use ) only serves to reinforce the notion that you still hold a certain level of disdain for your paying customers.I really wish that I could treat my customers like criminals after they 've paid me their hard-earned money and cancel services they 've paid for once they 're no longer convenient for me .
Of course , I 'd be out of a job , and most businesses would close down if they acted in such a fashion .
I really do n't see why you ca n't update the hypervisor to close the hole , or simply be content with the fact that first-gen consoles are becoming harder and more expensive to obtain compared to their newer kin - as well as the fact that the only exploits that currently exist require advanced skills and delicate modifications to the PS3 hardware .
Instead , you 're putting your normal users through the risks of a firmware update simply to remove a feature they know nothing about , and you 're simultaneously telling a small but highly taltented niche that you no longer want their business , and - most troubling - that they wo n't be able to continue using their systems as they 're accustomed WITHOUT resorting to hardware modification.I do hope you realize that the hobson 's choice you 've presented your advanced users with is only going to encourage significantly harder and more in-depth work on finding workarounds for every last ounce of security your system has .
The majority of the users you 're disenfranchising are the type who have little to no fear of taking a soldering iron to their PS3 , who in the past would 've been happy to dabble with their interests within the confines of the sandbox you provided .
You 've just given them a reason to do so .
I myself am probably going to break out the soldering iron in the very near future.The funny thing is , every time attempts are made to squash potentially threatening technology , said technology always gets a lot more attention than it did before .
Remember the MP3 format and the Diamond Rio PMP ?
DeCSS ? How about the significant step forward in CD ripping techniques that came about as a result of the efforts you and others made to obliterate Red Book compliance as thoroughly as possible , even to the point of your own XCP debacle ?
Most people had never heard of the PS3 exploits before Marth 28 , but now some individuals with a high level of skill and a lot of time on their hands are very , very motivated to change that .
When piracy on the PS3 finally does become a problem , I hope you 'll be able to rest well with the knowledge that you initiated the chain reaction yourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Sony,I am writing to complain about the new 3.21 firmware update.
I went through a lot of trouble to obtain a 60GB PS3, partially for the backwards compatiblity with PS2 titles, and partially for the Other OS feature.
As an electronics hobbiest, I built it from parts out of non-working systems, as this was far cheaper than the alternative (essentially paying someone else to do the same for me) although still more expensive than buying a Slim.
Then the unit was stolen in an apartment robbery just as I finished work on it, and I did it all again.
I have, in total, spent a little over a thousand dollars on PS3 systems, parts, games, and accessories (and the games and accessories were all purchased new.
)  One of the main features I intended to make use of was OtherOS.I almost didn't purchase a PS3 at all because of the XCP debacle some years back, as this demonstrated a certain contempt for customers as well as an astounding level of arrogance, not to mention an overall lack of responsibility on the part of a trusted content provider.
In fact, the aforementioned has caused me to look at other brands first in most product categories.
The fact that you are releasing an update specifically to remove a feature, and not to address any of the numerous bugs on the system (such as the web browser that seems to freeze the system habitually during use) only serves to reinforce the notion that you still hold a certain level of disdain for your paying customers.I really wish that I could treat my customers like criminals after they've paid me their hard-earned money and cancel services they've paid for once they're no longer convenient for me.
Of course, I'd be out of a job, and most businesses would close down if they acted in such a fashion.
I really don't see why you can't update the hypervisor to close the hole, or simply be content with the fact that first-gen consoles are becoming harder and more expensive to obtain compared to their newer kin - as well as the fact that the only exploits that currently exist require advanced skills and delicate modifications to the PS3 hardware.
Instead, you're putting your normal users through the risks of a firmware update simply to remove a feature they know nothing about, and you're simultaneously telling a small but highly taltented niche that you no longer want their business, and - most troubling - that they won't be able to continue using their systems as they're accustomed WITHOUT resorting to hardware modification.I do hope you realize that the hobson's choice you've presented your advanced users with is only going to encourage significantly harder and more in-depth work on finding workarounds for every last ounce of security your system has.
The majority of the users you're disenfranchising are the type who have little to no fear of taking a soldering iron to their PS3, who in the past would've been happy to dabble with their interests within the confines of the sandbox you provided.
You've just given them a reason to do so.
I myself am probably going to break out the soldering iron in the very near future.The funny thing is, every time attempts are made to squash potentially threatening technology, said technology always gets a lot more attention than it did before.
Remember the MP3 format and the Diamond Rio PMP?
DeCSS?  How about the significant step forward in CD ripping techniques that came about as a result of the efforts you and others made to obliterate Red Book compliance as thoroughly as possible, even to the point of your own XCP debacle?
Most people had never heard of the PS3 exploits before Marth 28, but now some individuals with a high level of skill and a lot of time on their hands are very, very motivated to change that.
When piracy on the PS3 finally does become a problem, I hope you'll be able to rest well with the knowledge that you initiated the chain reaction yourselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654616</id>
	<title>Very bad move</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1269857640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is going to lower the value of the device - its odd that they don't understand that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is going to lower the value of the device - its odd that they do n't understand that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is going to lower the value of the device - its odd that they don't understand that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655690</id>
	<title>Re:Cell is a dead platform - IBM killed it....</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1269870180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wont happen, first of all there are not so many PS3 clusters anymore, given that the graphics cards nowadays are cheaper and faster, secondly those who still run a PS3 cluster will simply not upgrade the firmware, and as you said not too many users outside of universities really used that feature.<br>Although I personally think , a class action lawsuite is needed in this case just to mark a clear line that they went to far, and outside of my limited understanding, first selling something and afterwards taking it away has a high chance to succeed but it should be done by consumer groups not single persons!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wont happen , first of all there are not so many PS3 clusters anymore , given that the graphics cards nowadays are cheaper and faster , secondly those who still run a PS3 cluster will simply not upgrade the firmware , and as you said not too many users outside of universities really used that feature.Although I personally think , a class action lawsuite is needed in this case just to mark a clear line that they went to far , and outside of my limited understanding , first selling something and afterwards taking it away has a high chance to succeed but it should be done by consumer groups not single persons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wont happen, first of all there are not so many PS3 clusters anymore, given that the graphics cards nowadays are cheaper and faster, secondly those who still run a PS3 cluster will simply not upgrade the firmware, and as you said not too many users outside of universities really used that feature.Although I personally think , a class action lawsuite is needed in this case just to mark a clear line that they went to far, and outside of my limited understanding, first selling something and afterwards taking it away has a high chance to succeed but it should be done by consumer groups not single persons!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653874</id>
	<title>Re:$10 vouchers in 2015</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269803880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get anyways. Thanks alot Sony. I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot, but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.</p></div></blockquote><p>Small claims court is a great thing, and will quite often let you recover the full value of damages rather than getting a coupon or some similar crap from a class-action suit. File for the full value of the thing, claiming that whether you accept the update or don't, irreparable damage will be done to functions you purchased the system to perform. Quite often, they won't even bother to show up and will just quietly pay off what you win. I'd strongly encourage you to look into the small-claims rules in your jurisdiction, and you can also find some basic information <a href="http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/small-claims-court/" title="nolo.com">here.</a> [nolo.com] </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get anyways .
Thanks alot Sony .
I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot , but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.Small claims court is a great thing , and will quite often let you recover the full value of damages rather than getting a coupon or some similar crap from a class-action suit .
File for the full value of the thing , claiming that whether you accept the update or do n't , irreparable damage will be done to functions you purchased the system to perform .
Quite often , they wo n't even bother to show up and will just quietly pay off what you win .
I 'd strongly encourage you to look into the small-claims rules in your jurisdiction , and you can also find some basic information here .
[ nolo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get anyways.
Thanks alot Sony.
I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot, but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.Small claims court is a great thing, and will quite often let you recover the full value of damages rather than getting a coupon or some similar crap from a class-action suit.
File for the full value of the thing, claiming that whether you accept the update or don't, irreparable damage will be done to functions you purchased the system to perform.
Quite often, they won't even bother to show up and will just quietly pay off what you win.
I'd strongly encourage you to look into the small-claims rules in your jurisdiction, and you can also find some basic information here.
[nolo.com] 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653572</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653458</id>
	<title>and...</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1269799380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure all 5 of the PS3 linux users are upset.  I'll bet this has to do with some ps3 hacker guy (details escape me) recently getting out of the linux sandbox when booting linux, and gaining access to the rest of the hardware.
<p>
Bit of a bastard move by sony, but really - people don't really buy consoles specifically to run linux.  Those that do are a tiny market which is likely more than offset by the additional piracy risk.
</p><p>
To sony management it would have been a no-brainer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure all 5 of the PS3 linux users are upset .
I 'll bet this has to do with some ps3 hacker guy ( details escape me ) recently getting out of the linux sandbox when booting linux , and gaining access to the rest of the hardware .
Bit of a bastard move by sony , but really - people do n't really buy consoles specifically to run linux .
Those that do are a tiny market which is likely more than offset by the additional piracy risk .
To sony management it would have been a no-brainer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure all 5 of the PS3 linux users are upset.
I'll bet this has to do with some ps3 hacker guy (details escape me) recently getting out of the linux sandbox when booting linux, and gaining access to the rest of the hardware.
Bit of a bastard move by sony, but really - people don't really buy consoles specifically to run linux.
Those that do are a tiny market which is likely more than offset by the additional piracy risk.
To sony management it would have been a no-brainer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655622</id>
	<title>The Ape Real Fuel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ape Real Fuel.</p><p>Is like Ape Real Fuel.</p><p>Is pronounced Ape Real Fuel.</p><p>And that is what you are:</p><p>Ape-Real-Fuel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ape Real Fuel.Is like Ape Real Fuel.Is pronounced Ape Real Fuel.And that is what you are : Ape-Real-Fuel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ape Real Fuel.Is like Ape Real Fuel.Is pronounced Ape Real Fuel.And that is what you are:Ape-Real-Fuel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31652970</id>
	<title>Sorry kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269794400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't run linux anymore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't run linux anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't run linux anymore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655646</id>
	<title>Anyone else notice when this patch arrives?</title>
	<author>MattSausage</author>
	<datestamp>1269869880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>April Fool's Day.  It could all just be a joke. After all, one of the few advantages the PS3 has over the 360 is the ability to install other oses</htmltext>
<tokenext>April Fool 's Day .
It could all just be a joke .
After all , one of the few advantages the PS3 has over the 360 is the ability to install other oses</tokentext>
<sentencetext>April Fool's Day.
It could all just be a joke.
After all, one of the few advantages the PS3 has over the 360 is the ability to install other oses</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655588</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>radish</author>
	<datestamp>1269869520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you're the guy who made some law firm crazy rich in exchange for no benefit to the community whatsoever? Good job! Class actions like yours are a total waste of time and resources. And you need to stop getting your lines from Futurama...you will not "destroy" them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're the guy who made some law firm crazy rich in exchange for no benefit to the community whatsoever ?
Good job !
Class actions like yours are a total waste of time and resources .
And you need to stop getting your lines from Futurama...you will not " destroy " them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're the guy who made some law firm crazy rich in exchange for no benefit to the community whatsoever?
Good job!
Class actions like yours are a total waste of time and resources.
And you need to stop getting your lines from Futurama...you will not "destroy" them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653642</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655484</id>
	<title>April fools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269868680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654464</id>
	<title>Release date April 1st???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269855540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fools day in other words.</p><p>They can't remove the functionality they sold people the devices on or people will have a legitimate grievance with them.</p><p>Suck it up Sony, people that want to pirate on PS3 will find a way even if this option was removed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fools day in other words.They ca n't remove the functionality they sold people the devices on or people will have a legitimate grievance with them.Suck it up Sony , people that want to pirate on PS3 will find a way even if this option was removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fools day in other words.They can't remove the functionality they sold people the devices on or people will have a legitimate grievance with them.Suck it up Sony, people that want to pirate on PS3 will find a way even if this option was removed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655470</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269868620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bring it punk.</p><p>-Sony "More Money Than God" Corp</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bring it punk.-Sony " More Money Than God " Corp</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bring it punk.-Sony "More Money Than God" Corp</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658390</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Sancho</author>
	<datestamp>1269882540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was actually just wondering about something related to this.  Was OtherOS advertised by Sony?  I know it wasn't available at launch, but was added as a firmware update.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was actually just wondering about something related to this .
Was OtherOS advertised by Sony ?
I know it was n't available at launch , but was added as a firmware update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was actually just wondering about something related to this.
Was OtherOS advertised by Sony?
I know it wasn't available at launch, but was added as a firmware update.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655416</id>
	<title>Wait, wasn't Linux Sony's tax exemption reason?</title>
	<author>thehunger</author>
	<datestamp>1269868080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I seem to remember that one of the reasons why Sony allowed Yellow Dog Linux was to be able to classify as a computer in the EU, thus avoiding some taxes in some EU states.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I seem to remember that one of the reasons why Sony allowed Yellow Dog Linux was to be able to classify as a computer in the EU , thus avoiding some taxes in some EU states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seem to remember that one of the reasons why Sony allowed Yellow Dog Linux was to be able to classify as a computer in the EU, thus avoiding some taxes in some EU states.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654094</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Vectormatic</author>
	<datestamp>1269893100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my guess is that next year they will launch some kind of 3d vision goggles</p><p>*cue obscure simpsons reference*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my guess is that next year they will launch some kind of 3d vision goggles * cue obscure simpsons reference *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my guess is that next year they will launch some kind of 3d vision goggles*cue obscure simpsons reference*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653086</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31659790</id>
	<title>April 1st?  Do you know what day that is?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269888720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, WTF is (JST)?  Joking Standard Time?  Sure the article looks legit but I find it hard to believe.  I guess we'll see in a couple days....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , WTF is ( JST ) ?
Joking Standard Time ?
Sure the article looks legit but I find it hard to believe .
I guess we 'll see in a couple days... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, WTF is (JST)?
Joking Standard Time?
Sure the article looks legit but I find it hard to believe.
I guess we'll see in a couple days....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654976</id>
	<title>Re:What if General Motors did this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269862740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why you don't buy a car that has OnStar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why you do n't buy a car that has OnStar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why you don't buy a car that has OnStar.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653634</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653162</id>
	<title>Re:It was going to happen..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This won't stop the hackers, though. They'll hack away using older firmware. Once they know their way around the system well enough, they'll publish hacks that work for the newer firmware as well.</p><p>Sony is merely delaying the inevitable and screwing over their loyal fans here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This wo n't stop the hackers , though .
They 'll hack away using older firmware .
Once they know their way around the system well enough , they 'll publish hacks that work for the newer firmware as well.Sony is merely delaying the inevitable and screwing over their loyal fans here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This won't stop the hackers, though.
They'll hack away using older firmware.
Once they know their way around the system well enough, they'll publish hacks that work for the newer firmware as well.Sony is merely delaying the inevitable and screwing over their loyal fans here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653070</id>
	<title>I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping it b</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269795240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away? Thats like Ford saying we are disabling the air conditioners that were previously working on pre 2008 vehicles. WTF? I know, it didn't (doen't) really work all that well (slow) but I did run PowerPC Ubuntu on mine. This is more of an "eroding consumer rights" issue. Why now, considering the rootkit etc.. This just proves once again that Sony gives a rats ass about its customers rights.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away ?
Thats like Ford saying we are disabling the air conditioners that were previously working on pre 2008 vehicles .
WTF ? I know , it did n't ( doe n't ) really work all that well ( slow ) but I did run PowerPC Ubuntu on mine .
This is more of an " eroding consumer rights " issue .
Why now , considering the rootkit etc.. This just proves once again that Sony gives a rats ass about its customers rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away?
Thats like Ford saying we are disabling the air conditioners that were previously working on pre 2008 vehicles.
WTF? I know, it didn't (doen't) really work all that well (slow) but I did run PowerPC Ubuntu on mine.
This is more of an "eroding consumer rights" issue.
Why now, considering the rootkit etc.. This just proves once again that Sony gives a rats ass about its customers rights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31661514</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269853800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So you're the guy who made some law firm crazy rich in exchange for no benefit to the community whatsoever?</p></div><p>Successfully suing DRM-happy publishers is a great service to the community, because it prevents fraud (you buy the game, and it doesn't work - that is fraud). The pay-out in this case is a punishment for bad business practices, and its value lies mainly in that, not in someone receiving a $10 cheque.</p><p>I can certainly thank GP for doing what he did, since it makes a difference for me as a gamer who buys (and not pirates) games, as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're the guy who made some law firm crazy rich in exchange for no benefit to the community whatsoever ? Successfully suing DRM-happy publishers is a great service to the community , because it prevents fraud ( you buy the game , and it does n't work - that is fraud ) .
The pay-out in this case is a punishment for bad business practices , and its value lies mainly in that , not in someone receiving a $ 10 cheque.I can certainly thank GP for doing what he did , since it makes a difference for me as a gamer who buys ( and not pirates ) games , as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're the guy who made some law firm crazy rich in exchange for no benefit to the community whatsoever?Successfully suing DRM-happy publishers is a great service to the community, because it prevents fraud (you buy the game, and it doesn't work - that is fraud).
The pay-out in this case is a punishment for bad business practices, and its value lies mainly in that, not in someone receiving a $10 cheque.I can certainly thank GP for doing what he did, since it makes a difference for me as a gamer who buys (and not pirates) games, as well.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654296</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>DavidD\_CA</author>
	<datestamp>1269896040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to play Devil's Advocate here, was the "Install Other OS" ever a feature that was marketed?  Was it on the side of the box, or in the commercial?.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to play Devil 's Advocate here , was the " Install Other OS " ever a feature that was marketed ?
Was it on the side of the box , or in the commercial ? .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to play Devil's Advocate here, was the "Install Other OS" ever a feature that was marketed?
Was it on the side of the box, or in the commercial?.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653186</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>yeshuawatso</author>
	<datestamp>1269796200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should know Big Media's motto: "It's better to be in the tent pissing out, than out of the tent pissing in."</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should know Big Media 's motto : " It 's better to be in the tent pissing out , than out of the tent pissing in .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should know Big Media's motto: "It's better to be in the tent pissing out, than out of the tent pissing in.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654426</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Tetard</author>
	<datestamp>1269854940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Err, Sony is a media corporation, they have a vested interest in pretending to fight piracy wrt. shareholders.  George Hotz didn't precipitate Sony's actions - I think he's doing a favor by showing that DRM is pointless in the end and only harms consumers.  Columbia pictures/film is actively tripping up the tech division, and this is why Sony is in the media race with one leg tied.  It's why Apple has taken the lead in so many areas.  The fact that the PS3 doesn't even talk Bravia protocol to the Sony flatscreens is beyond any logic.  Surprisingly, the X360 hasn't broken through into the living room.  It's amazing that in 2010, one has: an MPEG2/4 capable Full HD TV, a supercomputer class gaming console, and neither of them can really function as a dedicated PVR, and you still need a set-top-box of some kind to decode encrypted channels for satellite contents.  The markets are segmented, I still have 5 remote controls (PS3, STB, TV, amplifier, squeezebox).  The future is not what it used to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , Sony is a media corporation , they have a vested interest in pretending to fight piracy wrt .
shareholders. George Hotz did n't precipitate Sony 's actions - I think he 's doing a favor by showing that DRM is pointless in the end and only harms consumers .
Columbia pictures/film is actively tripping up the tech division , and this is why Sony is in the media race with one leg tied .
It 's why Apple has taken the lead in so many areas .
The fact that the PS3 does n't even talk Bravia protocol to the Sony flatscreens is beyond any logic .
Surprisingly , the X360 has n't broken through into the living room .
It 's amazing that in 2010 , one has : an MPEG2/4 capable Full HD TV , a supercomputer class gaming console , and neither of them can really function as a dedicated PVR , and you still need a set-top-box of some kind to decode encrypted channels for satellite contents .
The markets are segmented , I still have 5 remote controls ( PS3 , STB , TV , amplifier , squeezebox ) .
The future is not what it used to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err, Sony is a media corporation, they have a vested interest in pretending to fight piracy wrt.
shareholders.  George Hotz didn't precipitate Sony's actions - I think he's doing a favor by showing that DRM is pointless in the end and only harms consumers.
Columbia pictures/film is actively tripping up the tech division, and this is why Sony is in the media race with one leg tied.
It's why Apple has taken the lead in so many areas.
The fact that the PS3 doesn't even talk Bravia protocol to the Sony flatscreens is beyond any logic.
Surprisingly, the X360 hasn't broken through into the living room.
It's amazing that in 2010, one has: an MPEG2/4 capable Full HD TV, a supercomputer class gaming console, and neither of them can really function as a dedicated PVR, and you still need a set-top-box of some kind to decode encrypted channels for satellite contents.
The markets are segmented, I still have 5 remote controls (PS3, STB, TV, amplifier, squeezebox).
The future is not what it used to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655284</id>
	<title>Cell is a dead platform - IBM killed it....</title>
	<author>wowbagger</author>
	<datestamp>1269866640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the Cell was first announced, I was very excited about it - I do signal processing and protocol simulation for a living, and having something with 8 powerful signal processing engines plus a dual core CPU to run the protocol stacks was just about a perfect fit. So I got my boss to approve buying a PS3 to begin evaluation on, and we began trying to find a vendor for the Cell chip (we can do our own PCB design and fab if needed).</p><p>After many talks with IBM, we found that unless you were willing to buy millions of parts, they didn't want to talk to you, didn't want to sell you the chips, didn't want to support you, here's a nice mainframe blade, isn't that good enough (NO! I need something like microTCA, not a big ass blade!).</p><p>Add to that how the PS3's Linux had really crummy support for graphics (because rather than being SMART and making the PS3 have the best OpenGL implementation out there, Sony crippled the system with a dumb framebuffer).</p><p>Recently, IBM has announced they are end-of-lifing the Cell blades, and moving everybody over to the newest Power series CPUs. So, you can pretty much bank on the Cell only being in the PS3, and maybe one or two TV sets (and even there, I would not hold my breath - until those TVs are shipping the vendors can and likely will change their minds).</p><p>While I would still recommend anybody wanting a Blu-ray player buy a PS3, and they are a decent video game platform, I would NOT recommend anybody even think about trying to support the Cell outside that platform - it will not happen, IBM has moved on, Sony doesn't want to support it.</p><p>And while there is much typical slashbot dick-waving posturing about "I'm gonna SUE! CLASS ACTION BABY! I'm gonna DESTROY SONY!" - good luck with that. You are taking a minor feature that most PS3 buyers don't even know about, that is periphery to the main function of the device, and trying to say you are in some significant way harmed by this? You expect an attorney to take on a major class action like this, for what - lulz? Against a multinational with a large army of lawyers? At best, you will get US$10 off your next Sony purchase.</p><p>What needs to happen is all the companies that bought PS3s to explore Cell programming need to start pressuring IBM and their limited set of third-party vendors like Mercury Computers to release the next generation Cell (with double-precision SPUs) on something reasonably sized and priced.</p><p>Meanwhile, flood eBay with all the now-useless PS3s they had in their clusters - drive the price down and cost Sony money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the Cell was first announced , I was very excited about it - I do signal processing and protocol simulation for a living , and having something with 8 powerful signal processing engines plus a dual core CPU to run the protocol stacks was just about a perfect fit .
So I got my boss to approve buying a PS3 to begin evaluation on , and we began trying to find a vendor for the Cell chip ( we can do our own PCB design and fab if needed ) .After many talks with IBM , we found that unless you were willing to buy millions of parts , they did n't want to talk to you , did n't want to sell you the chips , did n't want to support you , here 's a nice mainframe blade , is n't that good enough ( NO !
I need something like microTCA , not a big ass blade !
) .Add to that how the PS3 's Linux had really crummy support for graphics ( because rather than being SMART and making the PS3 have the best OpenGL implementation out there , Sony crippled the system with a dumb framebuffer ) .Recently , IBM has announced they are end-of-lifing the Cell blades , and moving everybody over to the newest Power series CPUs .
So , you can pretty much bank on the Cell only being in the PS3 , and maybe one or two TV sets ( and even there , I would not hold my breath - until those TVs are shipping the vendors can and likely will change their minds ) .While I would still recommend anybody wanting a Blu-ray player buy a PS3 , and they are a decent video game platform , I would NOT recommend anybody even think about trying to support the Cell outside that platform - it will not happen , IBM has moved on , Sony does n't want to support it.And while there is much typical slashbot dick-waving posturing about " I 'm gon na SUE !
CLASS ACTION BABY !
I 'm gon na DESTROY SONY !
" - good luck with that .
You are taking a minor feature that most PS3 buyers do n't even know about , that is periphery to the main function of the device , and trying to say you are in some significant way harmed by this ?
You expect an attorney to take on a major class action like this , for what - lulz ?
Against a multinational with a large army of lawyers ?
At best , you will get US $ 10 off your next Sony purchase.What needs to happen is all the companies that bought PS3s to explore Cell programming need to start pressuring IBM and their limited set of third-party vendors like Mercury Computers to release the next generation Cell ( with double-precision SPUs ) on something reasonably sized and priced.Meanwhile , flood eBay with all the now-useless PS3s they had in their clusters - drive the price down and cost Sony money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the Cell was first announced, I was very excited about it - I do signal processing and protocol simulation for a living, and having something with 8 powerful signal processing engines plus a dual core CPU to run the protocol stacks was just about a perfect fit.
So I got my boss to approve buying a PS3 to begin evaluation on, and we began trying to find a vendor for the Cell chip (we can do our own PCB design and fab if needed).After many talks with IBM, we found that unless you were willing to buy millions of parts, they didn't want to talk to you, didn't want to sell you the chips, didn't want to support you, here's a nice mainframe blade, isn't that good enough (NO!
I need something like microTCA, not a big ass blade!
).Add to that how the PS3's Linux had really crummy support for graphics (because rather than being SMART and making the PS3 have the best OpenGL implementation out there, Sony crippled the system with a dumb framebuffer).Recently, IBM has announced they are end-of-lifing the Cell blades, and moving everybody over to the newest Power series CPUs.
So, you can pretty much bank on the Cell only being in the PS3, and maybe one or two TV sets (and even there, I would not hold my breath - until those TVs are shipping the vendors can and likely will change their minds).While I would still recommend anybody wanting a Blu-ray player buy a PS3, and they are a decent video game platform, I would NOT recommend anybody even think about trying to support the Cell outside that platform - it will not happen, IBM has moved on, Sony doesn't want to support it.And while there is much typical slashbot dick-waving posturing about "I'm gonna SUE!
CLASS ACTION BABY!
I'm gonna DESTROY SONY!
" - good luck with that.
You are taking a minor feature that most PS3 buyers don't even know about, that is periphery to the main function of the device, and trying to say you are in some significant way harmed by this?
You expect an attorney to take on a major class action like this, for what - lulz?
Against a multinational with a large army of lawyers?
At best, you will get US$10 off your next Sony purchase.What needs to happen is all the companies that bought PS3s to explore Cell programming need to start pressuring IBM and their limited set of third-party vendors like Mercury Computers to release the next generation Cell (with double-precision SPUs) on something reasonably sized and priced.Meanwhile, flood eBay with all the now-useless PS3s they had in their clusters - drive the price down and cost Sony money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653778</id>
	<title>Re:April 1st</title>
	<author>Xamindar</author>
	<datestamp>1269802920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No you aren't. So what is your point? There was a firmware update last year on April 1st as well. The date means nothing. If anything they chose this date because they knew there would be a lot of upset customers and hoped the April 1st would confuse and give enough doubt to mitigate it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No you are n't .
So what is your point ?
There was a firmware update last year on April 1st as well .
The date means nothing .
If anything they chose this date because they knew there would be a lot of upset customers and hoped the April 1st would confuse and give enough doubt to mitigate it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No you aren't.
So what is your point?
There was a firmware update last year on April 1st as well.
The date means nothing.
If anything they chose this date because they knew there would be a lot of upset customers and hoped the April 1st would confuse and give enough doubt to mitigate it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31663048</id>
	<title>Re:What does the license agreement say?</title>
	<author>grumbel</author>
	<datestamp>1269860700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point here is that they will extinguish OtherOS support in old consoles, consoles that they sold containing that feature. Nobody is getting up in arms about PS3-slim being sold without OtherOS, but when they deliberately cripple their hardware with a firmware upgrade thats kind of a big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point here is that they will extinguish OtherOS support in old consoles , consoles that they sold containing that feature .
Nobody is getting up in arms about PS3-slim being sold without OtherOS , but when they deliberately cripple their hardware with a firmware upgrade thats kind of a big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point here is that they will extinguish OtherOS support in old consoles, consoles that they sold containing that feature.
Nobody is getting up in arms about PS3-slim being sold without OtherOS, but when they deliberately cripple their hardware with a firmware upgrade thats kind of a big deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31789750</id>
	<title>DOD won't like this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270829400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Depart of Defense won't like this... to whom have over 2200 PS3's all running Linux in a cluster...</p><p>http://boingboing.net/2009/11/29/department-of-defens-1.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Depart of Defense wo n't like this... to whom have over 2200 PS3 's all running Linux in a cluster...http : //boingboing.net/2009/11/29/department-of-defens-1.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Depart of Defense won't like this... to whom have over 2200 PS3's all running Linux in a cluster...http://boingboing.net/2009/11/29/department-of-defens-1.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655704</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269870240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one cares about your stupid lawsuit. Shut the hell up already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one cares about your stupid lawsuit .
Shut the hell up already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one cares about your stupid lawsuit.
Shut the hell up already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654372</id>
	<title>Wait and see...</title>
	<author>slpalmer</author>
	<datestamp>1269853800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reason, I feel like waiting until April 2nd before I get bent out of shape about this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason , I feel like waiting until April 2nd before I get bent out of shape about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason, I feel like waiting until April 2nd before I get bent out of shape about this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655432</id>
	<title>APRIL FOOLS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269868260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>APRIL FOOL !!!</p><p>This will probably be drawn back on the 1st of April<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>APRIL FOOL ! !
! This will probably be drawn back on the 1st of April . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>APRIL FOOL !!
!This will probably be drawn back on the 1st of April ..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31664448</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269868320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PS3: "It only <em>did</em> everything!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PS3 : " It only did everything !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PS3: "It only did everything!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31672024</id>
	<title>Ps3 proxy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269967860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Supposedly there's a way to setup a proxy so that you can stay on the old version and continue to access the PSN by having your PS3 return the file the PSN is looking for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Supposedly there 's a way to setup a proxy so that you can stay on the old version and continue to access the PSN by having your PS3 return the file the PSN is looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Supposedly there's a way to setup a proxy so that you can stay on the old version and continue to access the PSN by having your PS3 return the file the PSN is looking for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653570</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>the\_humeister</author>
	<datestamp>1269800520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you can get a PS3 slim for games and not upgrade the firmware on your current PS3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you can get a PS3 slim for games and not upgrade the firmware on your current PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you can get a PS3 slim for games and not upgrade the firmware on your current PS3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653340</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like it does nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like it does nothing at all , nothing at all , nothing at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like it does nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655466</id>
	<title>Theives or terrorists, you decide.</title>
	<author>oki900</author>
	<datestamp>1269868620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there is a class action I will deffinatly join. I use my ps3 to run Linux and to play Bluray movies. When I am in the PS3 OS I disconnect from the network. However there have been 2 movies that forced me to update in the past or I could not even watch them. This will be how sony forces you to lose OtehrOS. The will come up with some lame excuse that to enable 3D support they need the space in the firmware that OtherOS takes up. Sony is far more deceitfull than Microsoft and Apple combined. Hopefully the BluRay of Sherlock Holmes that comes out tuesday will not force an update either, but I would put money that the first majory sony picture to come out on BluRay after they push the update will force you to update for one reason or another.</p><p>This is just step one in the overall sony plan. Rumor has it that later they plan to begin charging a service fee for PSN. That would be fine but there will be no concessions for people who have already downloaded or bought games that depend on it under the guise that they would have free continued access. Beyond that the required updates will also only be available via the PSN so if you dont pay, you wont be able to update, and if you dont update you will not be able to watch new movies that you bought. It's economic terrorism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there is a class action I will deffinatly join .
I use my ps3 to run Linux and to play Bluray movies .
When I am in the PS3 OS I disconnect from the network .
However there have been 2 movies that forced me to update in the past or I could not even watch them .
This will be how sony forces you to lose OtehrOS .
The will come up with some lame excuse that to enable 3D support they need the space in the firmware that OtherOS takes up .
Sony is far more deceitfull than Microsoft and Apple combined .
Hopefully the BluRay of Sherlock Holmes that comes out tuesday will not force an update either , but I would put money that the first majory sony picture to come out on BluRay after they push the update will force you to update for one reason or another.This is just step one in the overall sony plan .
Rumor has it that later they plan to begin charging a service fee for PSN .
That would be fine but there will be no concessions for people who have already downloaded or bought games that depend on it under the guise that they would have free continued access .
Beyond that the required updates will also only be available via the PSN so if you dont pay , you wont be able to update , and if you dont update you will not be able to watch new movies that you bought .
It 's economic terrorism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there is a class action I will deffinatly join.
I use my ps3 to run Linux and to play Bluray movies.
When I am in the PS3 OS I disconnect from the network.
However there have been 2 movies that forced me to update in the past or I could not even watch them.
This will be how sony forces you to lose OtehrOS.
The will come up with some lame excuse that to enable 3D support they need the space in the firmware that OtherOS takes up.
Sony is far more deceitfull than Microsoft and Apple combined.
Hopefully the BluRay of Sherlock Holmes that comes out tuesday will not force an update either, but I would put money that the first majory sony picture to come out on BluRay after they push the update will force you to update for one reason or another.This is just step one in the overall sony plan.
Rumor has it that later they plan to begin charging a service fee for PSN.
That would be fine but there will be no concessions for people who have already downloaded or bought games that depend on it under the guise that they would have free continued access.
Beyond that the required updates will also only be available via the PSN so if you dont pay, you wont be able to update, and if you dont update you will not be able to watch new movies that you bought.
It's economic terrorism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653534</id>
	<title>Consoles, then and now</title>
	<author>Entropius</author>
	<datestamp>1269800220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to play my games on my SNES or PSX, just like I used to play my games on my computer. Both were fun.</p><p>But now, if I pay money for a console, all I can do is play Sony's games on Sony's console. This isn't good enough. I'm not paying $500 for a computer that I don't have root on, thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to play my games on my SNES or PSX , just like I used to play my games on my computer .
Both were fun.But now , if I pay money for a console , all I can do is play Sony 's games on Sony 's console .
This is n't good enough .
I 'm not paying $ 500 for a computer that I do n't have root on , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to play my games on my SNES or PSX, just like I used to play my games on my computer.
Both were fun.But now, if I pay money for a console, all I can do is play Sony's games on Sony's console.
This isn't good enough.
I'm not paying $500 for a computer that I don't have root on, thanks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653360</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno, they had this neat technology called "rumble" that they introduced partway through the life cycle, and it seemed to catch on pretty well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;D</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , they had this neat technology called " rumble " that they introduced partway through the life cycle , and it seemed to catch on pretty well ; D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, they had this neat technology called "rumble" that they introduced partway through the life cycle, and it seemed to catch on pretty well ;D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653086</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655314</id>
	<title>Re:They're still advertising the feature</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269867120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's an advertisement? Seems more like documentation.</p><p>Like many websites I bet Sony has support pages up for old products like VHS camcorders. Should I go cry to my lawyer that I can't buy those products anymore?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an advertisement ?
Seems more like documentation.Like many websites I bet Sony has support pages up for old products like VHS camcorders .
Should I go cry to my lawyer that I ca n't buy those products anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an advertisement?
Seems more like documentation.Like many websites I bet Sony has support pages up for old products like VHS camcorders.
Should I go cry to my lawyer that I can't buy those products anymore?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653650</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653042</id>
	<title>Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269794940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what happens when Sony gives us a limited, but useful, homebrew/open source support and an idiotic media-whoring kid decides to use it to attack Sony's OS security for no good reason.</p><p>Thanks, geohot. Good fucking job, you've managed nothing practically useful with your attack, but you pissed Sony off and now a) nobody can duplicate it any more, at least not if they want to keep using their PS3s for on-line gaming, b) the rest of us who didn't care for your retarded antics are now screwed.</p><p>-- Anonymous Hacker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens when Sony gives us a limited , but useful , homebrew/open source support and an idiotic media-whoring kid decides to use it to attack Sony 's OS security for no good reason.Thanks , geohot .
Good fucking job , you 've managed nothing practically useful with your attack , but you pissed Sony off and now a ) nobody can duplicate it any more , at least not if they want to keep using their PS3s for on-line gaming , b ) the rest of us who did n't care for your retarded antics are now screwed.-- Anonymous Hacker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens when Sony gives us a limited, but useful, homebrew/open source support and an idiotic media-whoring kid decides to use it to attack Sony's OS security for no good reason.Thanks, geohot.
Good fucking job, you've managed nothing practically useful with your attack, but you pissed Sony off and now a) nobody can duplicate it any more, at least not if they want to keep using their PS3s for on-line gaming, b) the rest of us who didn't care for your retarded antics are now screwed.-- Anonymous Hacker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653636</id>
	<title>Re:It was going to happen..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269801240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes this is particularly silly move if the hack is their reasoning behind it.<br>Because now it's just going to be double the effort from "the opposing side" to get at least the "rightfully ours" functionality back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes this is particularly silly move if the hack is their reasoning behind it.Because now it 's just going to be double the effort from " the opposing side " to get at least the " rightfully ours " functionality back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes this is particularly silly move if the hack is their reasoning behind it.Because now it's just going to be double the effort from "the opposing side" to get at least the "rightfully ours" functionality back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31661488</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1269853560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is what happens when Sony gives us a limited, but useful, homebrew/open source support and an idiotic media-whoring kid decides to use it to attack Sony's OS security <b>for no good reason</b>.</p></div><p>There doesn't have to be a reason. There is no need for a reason, either.</p><p><i>"Yes, I am a criminal.  My crime is that of curiosity.  My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.<br>My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for."</i> </p><p><div class="quote"><p>the rest of us who didn't care for your retarded antics are now screwed.</p></div><p>The switch is pulled by Sony. They are removing an official feature that they have advertised to you when you've bought the console. As such, the blame is squarely with them. In fact, I wonder if they're now liable to be sued for false advertising - I think this would be quite appropriate. You pay money for value received - if the seller then intentionally takes away part of that value without opportunity to refund, he's breaking the contract.</p><p>I mean, imagine if an OS X update tomorrow would kill any Boot Camp installations it found, and wipe any associated Windows partitions? That's precisely the same thing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens when Sony gives us a limited , but useful , homebrew/open source support and an idiotic media-whoring kid decides to use it to attack Sony 's OS security for no good reason.There does n't have to be a reason .
There is no need for a reason , either .
" Yes , I am a criminal .
My crime is that of curiosity .
My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think , not what they look like.My crime is that of outsmarting you , something that you will never forgive me for .
" the rest of us who did n't care for your retarded antics are now screwed.The switch is pulled by Sony .
They are removing an official feature that they have advertised to you when you 've bought the console .
As such , the blame is squarely with them .
In fact , I wonder if they 're now liable to be sued for false advertising - I think this would be quite appropriate .
You pay money for value received - if the seller then intentionally takes away part of that value without opportunity to refund , he 's breaking the contract.I mean , imagine if an OS X update tomorrow would kill any Boot Camp installations it found , and wipe any associated Windows partitions ?
That 's precisely the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens when Sony gives us a limited, but useful, homebrew/open source support and an idiotic media-whoring kid decides to use it to attack Sony's OS security for no good reason.There doesn't have to be a reason.
There is no need for a reason, either.
"Yes, I am a criminal.
My crime is that of curiosity.
My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like.My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.
" the rest of us who didn't care for your retarded antics are now screwed.The switch is pulled by Sony.
They are removing an official feature that they have advertised to you when you've bought the console.
As such, the blame is squarely with them.
In fact, I wonder if they're now liable to be sued for false advertising - I think this would be quite appropriate.
You pay money for value received - if the seller then intentionally takes away part of that value without opportunity to refund, he's breaking the contract.I mean, imagine if an OS X update tomorrow would kill any Boot Camp installations it found, and wipe any associated Windows partitions?
That's precisely the same thing.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655856</id>
	<title>It's not surprising to me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269871440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one thinking it has something to do with that ?</p><p>http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.html</p><p>Sony is clearly making money on software... Having the console hacked would be a real problem for them...</p><p>It's not surprising to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one thinking it has something to do with that ? http : //geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.htmlSony is clearly making money on software... Having the console hacked would be a real problem for them...It 's not surprising to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one thinking it has something to do with that ?http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.htmlSony is clearly making money on software... Having the console hacked would be a real problem for them...It's not surprising to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653314</id>
	<title>Re:It was going to happen..</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1269797760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. Unfortunately it sounds like Geoffrey Levand -- "PS3-Linux maintainer" cited in updated TFA link -- is soon to be reallocated. (pun not inten.. well maybe a little)<br>If true, obviously a decision was made within the last 4 weeks to close this particular back door. There are cases in the past where the Sony rep for one region (EU oftentimes) contradicts official word from another. I suspect this is just a more recent decision.</p><p>Will see how things shake down this week. I honestly believe it's too early for April Fools, and the 1st is just the last day of the work week, because of Good Friday. They won't do a firmware patch on an overtime day.  Very unfortunate timing, but the comment threads and wild speculation are more interesting than just blind rage.</p><p>I think that if you call Customer Support, they will be happy to tell you that you can purchase a new, cheaper(!) PS3 Slim, and leave your older model's firmware unpatched. And I suspect that's how they will get around any threat of lawsuits. It is not a forced change, just like you are not forced to be searched in an airport if you choose not to board a plane. As a long time PSP owner, I have been denying firmware updates for years, and I did indeed buy another recently to make use of PSN.  Having both options is more "valuable" to me than choosing one or the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Unfortunately it sounds like Geoffrey Levand -- " PS3-Linux maintainer " cited in updated TFA link -- is soon to be reallocated .
( pun not inten.. well maybe a little ) If true , obviously a decision was made within the last 4 weeks to close this particular back door .
There are cases in the past where the Sony rep for one region ( EU oftentimes ) contradicts official word from another .
I suspect this is just a more recent decision.Will see how things shake down this week .
I honestly believe it 's too early for April Fools , and the 1st is just the last day of the work week , because of Good Friday .
They wo n't do a firmware patch on an overtime day .
Very unfortunate timing , but the comment threads and wild speculation are more interesting than just blind rage.I think that if you call Customer Support , they will be happy to tell you that you can purchase a new , cheaper ( !
) PS3 Slim , and leave your older model 's firmware unpatched .
And I suspect that 's how they will get around any threat of lawsuits .
It is not a forced change , just like you are not forced to be searched in an airport if you choose not to board a plane .
As a long time PSP owner , I have been denying firmware updates for years , and I did indeed buy another recently to make use of PSN .
Having both options is more " valuable " to me than choosing one or the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Unfortunately it sounds like Geoffrey Levand -- "PS3-Linux maintainer" cited in updated TFA link -- is soon to be reallocated.
(pun not inten.. well maybe a little)If true, obviously a decision was made within the last 4 weeks to close this particular back door.
There are cases in the past where the Sony rep for one region (EU oftentimes) contradicts official word from another.
I suspect this is just a more recent decision.Will see how things shake down this week.
I honestly believe it's too early for April Fools, and the 1st is just the last day of the work week, because of Good Friday.
They won't do a firmware patch on an overtime day.
Very unfortunate timing, but the comment threads and wild speculation are more interesting than just blind rage.I think that if you call Customer Support, they will be happy to tell you that you can purchase a new, cheaper(!
) PS3 Slim, and leave your older model's firmware unpatched.
And I suspect that's how they will get around any threat of lawsuits.
It is not a forced change, just like you are not forced to be searched in an airport if you choose not to board a plane.
As a long time PSP owner, I have been denying firmware updates for years, and I did indeed buy another recently to make use of PSN.
Having both options is more "valuable" to me than choosing one or the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31760808</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>cbreaker</author>
	<datestamp>1270653060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet you're a school teacher, that will punish the entire class if one kid throws the eraser.<br><br>And your example is stupid, because something like Subscription compares 1:1 to a massive functionality change?   This comparison would be more akin to "You must now load OtherOS only from the Game OS.   Other OS will no longer be able to be launched automatically."   Instead, it's "You can no longer have a subscription to demos and such.  In fact, you can now no longer download demos at all.  No more video, no more demos, no more downloading."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet you 're a school teacher , that will punish the entire class if one kid throws the eraser.And your example is stupid , because something like Subscription compares 1 : 1 to a massive functionality change ?
This comparison would be more akin to " You must now load OtherOS only from the Game OS .
Other OS will no longer be able to be launched automatically .
" Instead , it 's " You can no longer have a subscription to demos and such .
In fact , you can now no longer download demos at all .
No more video , no more demos , no more downloading .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet you're a school teacher, that will punish the entire class if one kid throws the eraser.And your example is stupid, because something like Subscription compares 1:1 to a massive functionality change?
This comparison would be more akin to "You must now load OtherOS only from the Game OS.
Other OS will no longer be able to be launched automatically.
"   Instead, it's "You can no longer have a subscription to demos and such.
In fact, you can now no longer download demos at all.
No more video, no more demos, no more downloading.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653478</id>
	<title>How could they? ... It's futile anyway.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269799620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>   I didn't just buy the PS3 to play games on it, I also bought it knowing that it would all but replace an aging PC I had been using. While it had limitations, (namely RAM and the RSX lockout), it still worked well enough to make my old PC totally obsolete. Any of you who have run Gentoo on yours and seen how fast it can handle non-graphics-related tasks like compiling know it's not a "slow" unit.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Legally, how can they take away such a feature? Doesn't that make initial claims of it running Linux deceptive advertising? After all, nobody ever said it would have an expiration date.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You know the worst part? Drastic measures intended to lock out pirates are just stopgap measures, sometimes barely even that. (look at the recent mention on slashdot of Ubisoft's DRM that lasted less than 24 hours!) In the end, the machine will eventually be broken anyway (probably by someone who joined the effort to crack it specifically because they wanted their other OS back), and the only people who will suffer will be respectful, paying customers.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I suspect Sony would have been far better off to have given us just a little more graphics power to take away one of the major reasons why these hacks were authored in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't just buy the PS3 to play games on it , I also bought it knowing that it would all but replace an aging PC I had been using .
While it had limitations , ( namely RAM and the RSX lockout ) , it still worked well enough to make my old PC totally obsolete .
Any of you who have run Gentoo on yours and seen how fast it can handle non-graphics-related tasks like compiling know it 's not a " slow " unit .
      Legally , how can they take away such a feature ?
Does n't that make initial claims of it running Linux deceptive advertising ?
After all , nobody ever said it would have an expiration date .
      You know the worst part ?
Drastic measures intended to lock out pirates are just stopgap measures , sometimes barely even that .
( look at the recent mention on slashdot of Ubisoft 's DRM that lasted less than 24 hours !
) In the end , the machine will eventually be broken anyway ( probably by someone who joined the effort to crack it specifically because they wanted their other OS back ) , and the only people who will suffer will be respectful , paying customers .
      I suspect Sony would have been far better off to have given us just a little more graphics power to take away one of the major reasons why these hacks were authored in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   I didn't just buy the PS3 to play games on it, I also bought it knowing that it would all but replace an aging PC I had been using.
While it had limitations, (namely RAM and the RSX lockout), it still worked well enough to make my old PC totally obsolete.
Any of you who have run Gentoo on yours and seen how fast it can handle non-graphics-related tasks like compiling know it's not a "slow" unit.
      Legally, how can they take away such a feature?
Doesn't that make initial claims of it running Linux deceptive advertising?
After all, nobody ever said it would have an expiration date.
      You know the worst part?
Drastic measures intended to lock out pirates are just stopgap measures, sometimes barely even that.
(look at the recent mention on slashdot of Ubisoft's DRM that lasted less than 24 hours!
) In the end, the machine will eventually be broken anyway (probably by someone who joined the effort to crack it specifically because they wanted their other OS back), and the only people who will suffer will be respectful, paying customers.
      I suspect Sony would have been far better off to have given us just a little more graphics power to take away one of the major reasons why these hacks were authored in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656100</id>
	<title>Disk Image</title>
	<author>TheCount22</author>
	<datestamp>1269872940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is a good time to make a disk image of your playstation hard drive.</p><p>Is the ps3 firmware stored in flash?</p><p>That said this is my last Sony product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a good time to make a disk image of your playstation hard drive.Is the ps3 firmware stored in flash ? That said this is my last Sony product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is a good time to make a disk image of your playstation hard drive.Is the ps3 firmware stored in flash?That said this is my last Sony product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653076</id>
	<title>It was going to happen..</title>
	<author>Kagato</author>
	<datestamp>1269795300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People finally got into the Hypervisor on the PS3.  That's pretty much the key to everything from legitimate homebrew to illegitimate pirating.  I don't see a way for Sony to secure things in Linux.  The Genie is out of the bottle.  So this is the option they have taken.  It's sad to see even though I never used Linux on it, or know anyone who did.  It was nice to know the option was there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People finally got into the Hypervisor on the PS3 .
That 's pretty much the key to everything from legitimate homebrew to illegitimate pirating .
I do n't see a way for Sony to secure things in Linux .
The Genie is out of the bottle .
So this is the option they have taken .
It 's sad to see even though I never used Linux on it , or know anyone who did .
It was nice to know the option was there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People finally got into the Hypervisor on the PS3.
That's pretty much the key to everything from legitimate homebrew to illegitimate pirating.
I don't see a way for Sony to secure things in Linux.
The Genie is out of the bottle.
So this is the option they have taken.
It's sad to see even though I never used Linux on it, or know anyone who did.
It was nice to know the option was there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653938</id>
	<title>It does everything</title>
	<author>d\_jedi</author>
	<datestamp>1269804660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well.. not any more it doesn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well.. not any more it does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well.. not any more it doesn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658836</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269884760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been saying the same thing!  They keep on removing things.  Not long ago, they removed the Folding@Home feature as well (I think when the slims first came out).  They've removed PS2 compatability, and now Linux compat.  What next, they'll remove BluRay support, and only regular DVD will work?  Are they going to take away media streaming too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been saying the same thing !
They keep on removing things .
Not long ago , they removed the Folding @ Home feature as well ( I think when the slims first came out ) .
They 've removed PS2 compatability , and now Linux compat .
What next , they 'll remove BluRay support , and only regular DVD will work ?
Are they going to take away media streaming too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been saying the same thing!
They keep on removing things.
Not long ago, they removed the Folding@Home feature as well (I think when the slims first came out).
They've removed PS2 compatability, and now Linux compat.
What next, they'll remove BluRay support, and only regular DVD will work?
Are they going to take away media streaming too?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654816</id>
	<title>Surprised?</title>
	<author>VinylPusher</author>
	<datestamp>1269860580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>This is SONY, folks. Backwards compatibility?<br><br>Sony lie and lie and lie and people just continue to buy their products. Well, except they don't so much, these days. PSP-GO... oh dear, it's tragic how badly it's selling.<br><br>I almost want a PS3 for God of War 3 and FF13, but crippling restrictions and Sony's "f**k you" attitude to customers mean I'll never put any money their way.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is SONY , folks .
Backwards compatibility ? Sony lie and lie and lie and people just continue to buy their products .
Well , except they do n't so much , these days .
PSP-GO... oh dear , it 's tragic how badly it 's selling.I almost want a PS3 for God of War 3 and FF13 , but crippling restrictions and Sony 's " f * * k you " attitude to customers mean I 'll never put any money their way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is SONY, folks.
Backwards compatibility?Sony lie and lie and lie and people just continue to buy their products.
Well, except they don't so much, these days.
PSP-GO... oh dear, it's tragic how badly it's selling.I almost want a PS3 for God of War 3 and FF13, but crippling restrictions and Sony's "f**k you" attitude to customers mean I'll never put any money their way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654746</id>
	<title>urked off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269859620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was about to put Linux on my ps3 but i think I will hold off now.</p><p>I only use my ps3 for media streaming over the network. I am slowly ripping all my dvds to my server and wanted to use the ps3 to speed this process up and also to rip my blue ray collection. I also wanted a system that could play<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.MKV video files without conversion. There where many other tasks I wanted Linux on the ps3 for but looks like I am better off not bothering now.</p><p>Well done sony for slamming the door in my face. The door is now closed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was about to put Linux on my ps3 but i think I will hold off now.I only use my ps3 for media streaming over the network .
I am slowly ripping all my dvds to my server and wanted to use the ps3 to speed this process up and also to rip my blue ray collection .
I also wanted a system that could play .MKV video files without conversion .
There where many other tasks I wanted Linux on the ps3 for but looks like I am better off not bothering now.Well done sony for slamming the door in my face .
The door is now closed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was about to put Linux on my ps3 but i think I will hold off now.I only use my ps3 for media streaming over the network.
I am slowly ripping all my dvds to my server and wanted to use the ps3 to speed this process up and also to rip my blue ray collection.
I also wanted a system that could play .MKV video files without conversion.
There where many other tasks I wanted Linux on the ps3 for but looks like I am better off not bothering now.Well done sony for slamming the door in my face.
The door is now closed</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658458</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>omglolbah</author>
	<datestamp>1269882840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing that the "other os" function did was to chop of a huge part of the skilled hacker scene.</p><p>Namely those that just want to run linux on the thing. Look at the original Xbox, the hacks there were mostly created by motivated and skilled linux hackers. (That 'pirates' jumped on it is no surprise though).</p><p>What they managed to do is avoid these people wanting to hack the security. And now they game is on... I look forward to the battle<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing that the " other os " function did was to chop of a huge part of the skilled hacker scene.Namely those that just want to run linux on the thing .
Look at the original Xbox , the hacks there were mostly created by motivated and skilled linux hackers .
( That 'pirates ' jumped on it is no surprise though ) .What they managed to do is avoid these people wanting to hack the security .
And now they game is on... I look forward to the battle ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing that the "other os" function did was to chop of a huge part of the skilled hacker scene.Namely those that just want to run linux on the thing.
Look at the original Xbox, the hacks there were mostly created by motivated and skilled linux hackers.
(That 'pirates' jumped on it is no surprise though).What they managed to do is avoid these people wanting to hack the security.
And now they game is on... I look forward to the battle ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653588</id>
	<title>Why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269800640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this the only firmware update posted by "Sr. Director, Corporate Communications &amp; Social Media" instead of the usual guy, and why is it slated for APRIL FIRST?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this the only firmware update posted by " Sr. Director , Corporate Communications &amp; Social Media " instead of the usual guy , and why is it slated for APRIL FIRST ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this the only firmware update posted by "Sr. Director, Corporate Communications &amp; Social Media" instead of the usual guy, and why is it slated for APRIL FIRST?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655528</id>
	<title>why cant they fix it!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269869040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of removing this feature why cant they fix it!! The current PS3 slim does not come with this feature anymore anyway!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of removing this feature why cant they fix it ! !
The current PS3 slim does not come with this feature anymore anyway ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of removing this feature why cant they fix it!!
The current PS3 slim does not come with this feature anymore anyway!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655198</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1269865320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't the science community just not update the firmware?</p><p>If a firmware removes/disables/breaks a feature you don't like, <em>you don't install the firmware</em>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't the science community just not update the firmware ? If a firmware removes/disables/breaks a feature you do n't like , you do n't install the firmware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't the science community just not update the firmware?If a firmware removes/disables/breaks a feature you don't like, you don't install the firmware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653254</id>
	<title>april fools perhaps?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>April 1st<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. hrrrm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>April 1st .. hrrrm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>April 1st .. hrrrm</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654044</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Zoidbot</author>
	<datestamp>1269806040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No great shakes...</p><p>It was being abused, so it got removed.   Blame Geoholt...</p><p>Let's not forget other consoles remove features too..</p><p>The NXE removed the "subscription" feature which allowed you to set your 360 to automatically download new demos and such.</p><p>Waiting for the first idiot to try and sue them....  (the update is optional...  You just need to decide what your console is...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No great shakes...It was being abused , so it got removed .
Blame Geoholt...Let 's not forget other consoles remove features too..The NXE removed the " subscription " feature which allowed you to set your 360 to automatically download new demos and such.Waiting for the first idiot to try and sue them.... ( the update is optional... You just need to decide what your console is... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No great shakes...It was being abused, so it got removed.
Blame Geoholt...Let's not forget other consoles remove features too..The NXE removed the "subscription" feature which allowed you to set your 360 to automatically download new demos and such.Waiting for the first idiot to try and sue them....  (the update is optional...  You just need to decide what your console is...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31652964</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654480</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1269855840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I got pissed when Sony stopped selling "deluxe" model PS3's (with the 4 USB ports, the card reader, PS2 backwards compatibility, and SACD playing).  Sure, I have one, but my friends who bought slims, don't know how inferior their Slims are to my CECHE in functionality.  In fact I've said to them, that their Slims don't "do everything" my CECHE can do.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I got pissed when Sony stopped selling " deluxe " model PS3 's ( with the 4 USB ports , the card reader , PS2 backwards compatibility , and SACD playing ) .
Sure , I have one , but my friends who bought slims , do n't know how inferior their Slims are to my CECHE in functionality .
In fact I 've said to them , that their Slims do n't " do everything " my CECHE can do .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I got pissed when Sony stopped selling "deluxe" model PS3's (with the 4 USB ports, the card reader, PS2 backwards compatibility, and SACD playing).
Sure, I have one, but my friends who bought slims, don't know how inferior their Slims are to my CECHE in functionality.
In fact I've said to them, that their Slims don't "do everything" my CECHE can do.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653748</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31659040</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>dannycim</author>
	<datestamp>1269885600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm stealing your last paragraph verbatim as my new Playstation Forum signature.  Thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm stealing your last paragraph verbatim as my new Playstation Forum signature .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm stealing your last paragraph verbatim as my new Playstation Forum signature.
Thanks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653748</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31668454</id>
	<title>Get over it folks!</title>
	<author>jseale</author>
	<datestamp>1269951480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The days of running Linux on consoles is way past over. It all started with Micro$oft holding this feature back from the XBox 360 (a feature that first appeared in the original XBox). This was a long time ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The days of running Linux on consoles is way past over .
It all started with Micro $ oft holding this feature back from the XBox 360 ( a feature that first appeared in the original XBox ) .
This was a long time ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The days of running Linux on consoles is way past over.
It all started with Micro$oft holding this feature back from the XBox 360 (a feature that first appeared in the original XBox).
This was a long time ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655170</id>
	<title>Who cares...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269864960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can still install Linux on a computer, right?</p><p>I have no sympathy for people who render some devices even useless just because they wan't Linux on it. I know someone who killed 3 Linksys routers that way... he is a retard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can still install Linux on a computer , right ? I have no sympathy for people who render some devices even useless just because they wa n't Linux on it .
I know someone who killed 3 Linksys routers that way... he is a retard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can still install Linux on a computer, right?I have no sympathy for people who render some devices even useless just because they wan't Linux on it.
I know someone who killed 3 Linksys routers that way... he is a retard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657634</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1269879480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>seriously wtf else is sony going to do? if they do nothing and the next hack is a serious one everyone will point the finger at how they did nothing.</p></div><p>Why would everyone point the finger at something which has absolutely no relevance or impact to them?  Do people point the finger at the makers of duct tape because it can be used for more than taping ducts and they did nothing to stop it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>seriously wtf else is sony going to do ?
if they do nothing and the next hack is a serious one everyone will point the finger at how they did nothing.Why would everyone point the finger at something which has absolutely no relevance or impact to them ?
Do people point the finger at the makers of duct tape because it can be used for more than taping ducts and they did nothing to stop it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seriously wtf else is sony going to do?
if they do nothing and the next hack is a serious one everyone will point the finger at how they did nothing.Why would everyone point the finger at something which has absolutely no relevance or impact to them?
Do people point the finger at the makers of duct tape because it can be used for more than taping ducts and they did nothing to stop it?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653624</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655456</id>
	<title>Re:Not an April Fools'</title>
	<author>rodrigoandrade</author>
	<datestamp>1269868560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, citing Twitter as source material. Damn,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. has sunk to new depths...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , citing Twitter as source material .
Damn , / .
has sunk to new depths.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, citing Twitter as source material.
Damn, /.
has sunk to new depths...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653368</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654604</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269857460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Return your hacker license at once, as you're clearly not worthy of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Return your hacker license at once , as you 're clearly not worthy of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Return your hacker license at once, as you're clearly not worthy of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653042</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657540</id>
	<title>Contact Attorney General</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269879120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are disgusted with Sony's action in this PLEASE do not sit idely by. Contact the State Attorney General and ask for the consumer protection division.</p><p>You can file an official complaint with them and this is a first step. It's much faster and less exspensive than a class action law suit. I have already done so in the state of Indiana, but every complaint will give it more merit so please do file a complaint and let your voice be heard. Tell your friends and family to do so as well. Many states have laws prohibiting the disabeling of features after the sale to consumers.</p><p>You will need SCEA corperate information to file your complaint. It can be found here  http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/index.htm</p><p>Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc.<br>919 East Hillsdale Boulevard<br>Foster City, CA  94404<br>(650) 655-8000</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are disgusted with Sony 's action in this PLEASE do not sit idely by .
Contact the State Attorney General and ask for the consumer protection division.You can file an official complaint with them and this is a first step .
It 's much faster and less exspensive than a class action law suit .
I have already done so in the state of Indiana , but every complaint will give it more merit so please do file a complaint and let your voice be heard .
Tell your friends and family to do so as well .
Many states have laws prohibiting the disabeling of features after the sale to consumers.You will need SCEA corperate information to file your complaint .
It can be found here http : //us.playstation.com/corporate/about/index.htmSony Computer Entertainment America Inc.919 East Hillsdale BoulevardFoster City , CA 94404 ( 650 ) 655-8000</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are disgusted with Sony's action in this PLEASE do not sit idely by.
Contact the State Attorney General and ask for the consumer protection division.You can file an official complaint with them and this is a first step.
It's much faster and less exspensive than a class action law suit.
I have already done so in the state of Indiana, but every complaint will give it more merit so please do file a complaint and let your voice be heard.
Tell your friends and family to do so as well.
Many states have laws prohibiting the disabeling of features after the sale to consumers.You will need SCEA corperate information to file your complaint.
It can be found here  http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/index.htmSony Computer Entertainment America Inc.919 East Hillsdale BoulevardFoster City, CA  94404(650) 655-8000</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31666714</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269886500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The work around will probably be GPGPU's, like Fermi and ATI's next chip.<br>I believe they have surpassed the Cell in performance plus they will be able to do double precision float.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The work around will probably be GPGPU 's , like Fermi and ATI 's next chip.I believe they have surpassed the Cell in performance plus they will be able to do double precision float .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The work around will probably be GPGPU's, like Fermi and ATI's next chip.I believe they have surpassed the Cell in performance plus they will be able to do double precision float.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656430</id>
	<title>April Fools Joke</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, did no one RTFA? They're saying its going to be released on April 1st. Its obviously an April Fool's joke with a possible intention of seeing how the market reacts to removing such a feature.</p><p>Seriously, no one caught that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , did no one RTFA ?
They 're saying its going to be released on April 1st .
Its obviously an April Fool 's joke with a possible intention of seeing how the market reacts to removing such a feature.Seriously , no one caught that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, did no one RTFA?
They're saying its going to be released on April 1st.
Its obviously an April Fool's joke with a possible intention of seeing how the market reacts to removing such a feature.Seriously, no one caught that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654704</id>
	<title>Legal action?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269858960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"In addition to playing games, watching movies, listening to music, and viewing photos, you can use the PS3 system to run the Linux operating system. By installing the Linux operating system, you can use the PS3 system not only as an entry-level personal computer with hundreds of familiar applications for home and office use, but also as a complete development environment for the Cell Broadband Engine."<br>source: http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html</p><p>And this is what Sony tells on the box of my PS3:<br>To continuously enjoy playback of copyright-protected Blu-Ray Discs, in some cases... the system must be updated."</p><p>In other words: To use a marketed feature (Playing of BluRay) you have to update the system whereby you lose another marketed feature (Running Linux OS). IMHO this fully rectifies legal action against Sony.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" In addition to playing games , watching movies , listening to music , and viewing photos , you can use the PS3 system to run the Linux operating system .
By installing the Linux operating system , you can use the PS3 system not only as an entry-level personal computer with hundreds of familiar applications for home and office use , but also as a complete development environment for the Cell Broadband Engine .
" source : http : //www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.htmlAnd this is what Sony tells on the box of my PS3 : To continuously enjoy playback of copyright-protected Blu-Ray Discs , in some cases... the system must be updated .
" In other words : To use a marketed feature ( Playing of BluRay ) you have to update the system whereby you lose another marketed feature ( Running Linux OS ) .
IMHO this fully rectifies legal action against Sony .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"In addition to playing games, watching movies, listening to music, and viewing photos, you can use the PS3 system to run the Linux operating system.
By installing the Linux operating system, you can use the PS3 system not only as an entry-level personal computer with hundreds of familiar applications for home and office use, but also as a complete development environment for the Cell Broadband Engine.
"source: http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.htmlAnd this is what Sony tells on the box of my PS3:To continuously enjoy playback of copyright-protected Blu-Ray Discs, in some cases... the system must be updated.
"In other words: To use a marketed feature (Playing of BluRay) you have to update the system whereby you lose another marketed feature (Running Linux OS).
IMHO this fully rectifies legal action against Sony.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653798</id>
	<title>Oh well</title>
	<author>Frogbert</author>
	<datestamp>1269803160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'll just hold back on the update until a Custom Firmware is released that gives me all of the features and none of the bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'll just hold back on the update until a Custom Firmware is released that gives me all of the features and none of the bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'll just hold back on the update until a Custom Firmware is released that gives me all of the features and none of the bullshit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31652998</id>
	<title>With that removed, let the modding begin</title>
	<author>sethstorm</author>
	<datestamp>1269794580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now might be a time for the folks @ ps2dev to be a bit less arrogant/worrisome and allow things to be opened up.</p><p>While they do have some valid concerns, their excuses are wearing thin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now might be a time for the folks @ ps2dev to be a bit less arrogant/worrisome and allow things to be opened up.While they do have some valid concerns , their excuses are wearing thin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now might be a time for the folks @ ps2dev to be a bit less arrogant/worrisome and allow things to be opened up.While they do have some valid concerns, their excuses are wearing thin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653136</id>
	<title>Backlash?</title>
	<author>nukem996</author>
	<datestamp>1269795840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought my PS3 for two things, cell development and games. So to play games I need the latest firmware but the latest firmware makes it impossible for me to do cell development. This was an advertised feature when I bought it(a few months after launch) so I don't see how Sony can do this without facing a class action suite.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my PS3 for two things , cell development and games .
So to play games I need the latest firmware but the latest firmware makes it impossible for me to do cell development .
This was an advertised feature when I bought it ( a few months after launch ) so I do n't see how Sony can do this without facing a class action suite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my PS3 for two things, cell development and games.
So to play games I need the latest firmware but the latest firmware makes it impossible for me to do cell development.
This was an advertised feature when I bought it(a few months after launch) so I don't see how Sony can do this without facing a class action suite.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657664</id>
	<title>April first you say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269879600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>April Fools?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>April Fools ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>April Fools?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31679768</id>
	<title>I would say...</title>
	<author>Roskolnikov</author>
	<datestamp>1269953220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>April Fools, but this is a little early and it looks like though not a joke, it is quite foolish, I purchased a system that had this functionality, they're removing it; could you imagine Microsoft pushing out an update that made your pretty duel boot fail forever?</p><p>I think there are enough consoles to be consider a 'class' and I paid a lot more for my fat PS3 than the current rate, maybe a refund to match the current stripped model is due.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>April Fools , but this is a little early and it looks like though not a joke , it is quite foolish , I purchased a system that had this functionality , they 're removing it ; could you imagine Microsoft pushing out an update that made your pretty duel boot fail forever ? I think there are enough consoles to be consider a 'class ' and I paid a lot more for my fat PS3 than the current rate , maybe a refund to match the current stripped model is due .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>April Fools, but this is a little early and it looks like though not a joke, it is quite foolish, I purchased a system that had this functionality, they're removing it; could you imagine Microsoft pushing out an update that made your pretty duel boot fail forever?I think there are enough consoles to be consider a 'class' and I paid a lot more for my fat PS3 than the current rate, maybe a refund to match the current stripped model is due.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655710</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>allcoolnameswheretak</author>
	<datestamp>1269870360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This might be one of the main reasons they are retracting this feature. Companies are selling game consoles at a loss. The real money is made with the games they sell. If Universities and NASA are buying up your consoles as cheap processing power, that's not good for their business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This might be one of the main reasons they are retracting this feature .
Companies are selling game consoles at a loss .
The real money is made with the games they sell .
If Universities and NASA are buying up your consoles as cheap processing power , that 's not good for their business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This might be one of the main reasons they are retracting this feature.
Companies are selling game consoles at a loss.
The real money is made with the games they sell.
If Universities and NASA are buying up your consoles as cheap processing power, that's not good for their business.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654164</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269893940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I'm sure they will suffer a lawsuit, and I'm sure they will attempt to settle it, I also bet they have a provision in this, somewhere in their EULA, giving them the ability to deny PSN access at any time, take away the ability to play new games, and take away otherOS.</p><p>It's dishonorable, it's annoying, and it's probably legally covered in some respect.  Just as the 360 lost its autoinstall tons of shit feature, systems can lose functionality that was advertised.  And it teaches customers not to trust future promises.  Do I know that I'll always be able to use my PS3 to play pandora radio and watch divx movies?  I guess not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I 'm sure they will suffer a lawsuit , and I 'm sure they will attempt to settle it , I also bet they have a provision in this , somewhere in their EULA , giving them the ability to deny PSN access at any time , take away the ability to play new games , and take away otherOS.It 's dishonorable , it 's annoying , and it 's probably legally covered in some respect .
Just as the 360 lost its autoinstall tons of shit feature , systems can lose functionality that was advertised .
And it teaches customers not to trust future promises .
Do I know that I 'll always be able to use my PS3 to play pandora radio and watch divx movies ?
I guess not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I'm sure they will suffer a lawsuit, and I'm sure they will attempt to settle it, I also bet they have a provision in this, somewhere in their EULA, giving them the ability to deny PSN access at any time, take away the ability to play new games, and take away otherOS.It's dishonorable, it's annoying, and it's probably legally covered in some respect.
Just as the 360 lost its autoinstall tons of shit feature, systems can lose functionality that was advertised.
And it teaches customers not to trust future promises.
Do I know that I'll always be able to use my PS3 to play pandora radio and watch divx movies?
I guess not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31658022</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>ravnous</author>
	<datestamp>1269881040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm in the same boat. I can't believe they can just do this. Unbelievable. I'm just sitting here in shock. Luckily, my school work will be finished in a couple months. Hopefully my wife won't accidentally update the firmware in the mean time, or I'm in big trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm in the same boat .
I ca n't believe they can just do this .
Unbelievable. I 'm just sitting here in shock .
Luckily , my school work will be finished in a couple months .
Hopefully my wife wo n't accidentally update the firmware in the mean time , or I 'm in big trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm in the same boat.
I can't believe they can just do this.
Unbelievable. I'm just sitting here in shock.
Luckily, my school work will be finished in a couple months.
Hopefully my wife won't accidentally update the firmware in the mean time, or I'm in big trouble.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654738</id>
	<title>EU Import Tariff too</title>
	<author>garyok</author>
	<datestamp>1269859440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've given up boggling at the bone-headedness of Sony's marketroids - their engineers create fabulous goodies and then the marketroids get them crippled. All the markets that Sony could have dominated but don't because of the blunders of these short-sighted nitwits. Without the Install Other OS option, the PS3 will almost certainly be reclassified by the EU as a games console and not a computer and be subject to an extra 2.2\% import tariff in the EU, cutting significantly into their margins. I mean, the marketing guys are forcing the engineers to spend money so they can lose more money in the future? What other company would ever condone this idiocy?
</p><p>
Why do they have so much trouble understanding that honest people are honest and pony-up for their games and dishonest people are dishonest and will never pay for their games? Market to the honest people and forget the dishonest ones cos you'll never, ever convince them to pay for your stuff no matter how hard you lock down security.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've given up boggling at the bone-headedness of Sony 's marketroids - their engineers create fabulous goodies and then the marketroids get them crippled .
All the markets that Sony could have dominated but do n't because of the blunders of these short-sighted nitwits .
Without the Install Other OS option , the PS3 will almost certainly be reclassified by the EU as a games console and not a computer and be subject to an extra 2.2 \ % import tariff in the EU , cutting significantly into their margins .
I mean , the marketing guys are forcing the engineers to spend money so they can lose more money in the future ?
What other company would ever condone this idiocy ?
Why do they have so much trouble understanding that honest people are honest and pony-up for their games and dishonest people are dishonest and will never pay for their games ?
Market to the honest people and forget the dishonest ones cos you 'll never , ever convince them to pay for your stuff no matter how hard you lock down security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've given up boggling at the bone-headedness of Sony's marketroids - their engineers create fabulous goodies and then the marketroids get them crippled.
All the markets that Sony could have dominated but don't because of the blunders of these short-sighted nitwits.
Without the Install Other OS option, the PS3 will almost certainly be reclassified by the EU as a games console and not a computer and be subject to an extra 2.2\% import tariff in the EU, cutting significantly into their margins.
I mean, the marketing guys are forcing the engineers to spend money so they can lose more money in the future?
What other company would ever condone this idiocy?
Why do they have so much trouble understanding that honest people are honest and pony-up for their games and dishonest people are dishonest and will never pay for their games?
Market to the honest people and forget the dishonest ones cos you'll never, ever convince them to pay for your stuff no matter how hard you lock down security.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653300</id>
	<title>Anyone notice the date?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269797640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wondering...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wondering.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wondering...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653748</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>\_xeno\_</author>
	<datestamp>1269802620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This was an advertised feature when I bought it(a few months after launch) so I don't see how Sony can do this without facing a class action suite.</p></div><p>IANAL, but I expect that they can get away with it legally because you can always not install the update. And the console can still play games without online portions, and I expect that the separate PSN agreement covers their ass in the case where you decide not to update the firmware for any reason. So I doubt there are any grounds for a class action lawsuit, but I really hope people try anyway since this is an incredibly dickish move.</p><p>But a backslash? The vast majority of PS3 owners don't even <em>know</em> about the Other OS option and the majority of those that do don't care. They might get a whole lot of whining, but I can't imagine that they're likely to see any significant change in sales. The "slim" PS3 models never supported the Other OS option in any case, and it's not like that hurt sales - the people using Other OS just aren't a large enough group for Sony to care about.</p><p>Although this move makes the "it only does everything" tag line even funnier.</p><p>PS3: It only does EVERYTHING*.</p><p>(*Except run Linux. Or reliably determine if 2010 is a leap year. Or run PS2 games, depending on model. Or do force feedback. No, wait, yes it can, despite previous claims that such a thing was impossible. Or allow you to copy save games off one console for use on another without requiring a PSN connection, except when it can. Or copy certain save games at all, depending on copy protection status. Or...)</p></div>
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<tokenext>This was an advertised feature when I bought it ( a few months after launch ) so I do n't see how Sony can do this without facing a class action suite.IANAL , but I expect that they can get away with it legally because you can always not install the update .
And the console can still play games without online portions , and I expect that the separate PSN agreement covers their ass in the case where you decide not to update the firmware for any reason .
So I doubt there are any grounds for a class action lawsuit , but I really hope people try anyway since this is an incredibly dickish move.But a backslash ?
The vast majority of PS3 owners do n't even know about the Other OS option and the majority of those that do do n't care .
They might get a whole lot of whining , but I ca n't imagine that they 're likely to see any significant change in sales .
The " slim " PS3 models never supported the Other OS option in any case , and it 's not like that hurt sales - the people using Other OS just are n't a large enough group for Sony to care about.Although this move makes the " it only does everything " tag line even funnier.PS3 : It only does EVERYTHING * .
( * Except run Linux .
Or reliably determine if 2010 is a leap year .
Or run PS2 games , depending on model .
Or do force feedback .
No , wait , yes it can , despite previous claims that such a thing was impossible .
Or allow you to copy save games off one console for use on another without requiring a PSN connection , except when it can .
Or copy certain save games at all , depending on copy protection status .
Or... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was an advertised feature when I bought it(a few months after launch) so I don't see how Sony can do this without facing a class action suite.IANAL, but I expect that they can get away with it legally because you can always not install the update.
And the console can still play games without online portions, and I expect that the separate PSN agreement covers their ass in the case where you decide not to update the firmware for any reason.
So I doubt there are any grounds for a class action lawsuit, but I really hope people try anyway since this is an incredibly dickish move.But a backslash?
The vast majority of PS3 owners don't even know about the Other OS option and the majority of those that do don't care.
They might get a whole lot of whining, but I can't imagine that they're likely to see any significant change in sales.
The "slim" PS3 models never supported the Other OS option in any case, and it's not like that hurt sales - the people using Other OS just aren't a large enough group for Sony to care about.Although this move makes the "it only does everything" tag line even funnier.PS3: It only does EVERYTHING*.
(*Except run Linux.
Or reliably determine if 2010 is a leap year.
Or run PS2 games, depending on model.
Or do force feedback.
No, wait, yes it can, despite previous claims that such a thing was impossible.
Or allow you to copy save games off one console for use on another without requiring a PSN connection, except when it can.
Or copy certain save games at all, depending on copy protection status.
Or...)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654356</id>
	<title>Oh, it's SONY? No news here, move over.</title>
	<author>piotru</author>
	<datestamp>1269853680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is SONY, people. The spineless fat giant known for rootkits, support of insane copyright restrictions, etc.<br>The greedy company that created its own sound file format to protect you from copyright infringement.<br>The ones that shaft you with memory stick instead of adopting standard storage media.<br>To those poor wretches that are going to have their expensive toys broken, do not forget your lesson: Never deal with people you cannot trust.<br>I never deal with SONY.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is SONY , people .
The spineless fat giant known for rootkits , support of insane copyright restrictions , etc.The greedy company that created its own sound file format to protect you from copyright infringement.The ones that shaft you with memory stick instead of adopting standard storage media.To those poor wretches that are going to have their expensive toys broken , do not forget your lesson : Never deal with people you can not trust.I never deal with SONY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is SONY, people.
The spineless fat giant known for rootkits, support of insane copyright restrictions, etc.The greedy company that created its own sound file format to protect you from copyright infringement.The ones that shaft you with memory stick instead of adopting standard storage media.To those poor wretches that are going to have their expensive toys broken, do not forget your lesson: Never deal with people you cannot trust.I never deal with SONY.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654038</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269805980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away?"</p><p>You mean like they did with the software PS2 support?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away ?
" You mean like they did with the software PS2 support ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How can they sell something with a certain set of features and then just take it away?
"You mean like they did with the software PS2 support?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31661002</id>
	<title>Re:What does the license agreement say?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1269894120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Does the PS3's license agreement say that Sony can add or remove features at will? If so, it seems like all the ranting and noise about a lawsuit is for naught.</i> </p><p>The first generation PS3's had full hardware support for PS2 games - as support for the PS2 gamer was slowly extinguished in later versions of the console, do you recall any successful class action lawsuits there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the PS3 's license agreement say that Sony can add or remove features at will ?
If so , it seems like all the ranting and noise about a lawsuit is for naught .
The first generation PS3 's had full hardware support for PS2 games - as support for the PS2 gamer was slowly extinguished in later versions of the console , do you recall any successful class action lawsuits there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the PS3's license agreement say that Sony can add or remove features at will?
If so, it seems like all the ranting and noise about a lawsuit is for naught.
The first generation PS3's had full hardware support for PS2 games - as support for the PS2 gamer was slowly extinguished in later versions of the console, do you recall any successful class action lawsuits there?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653552</id>
	<title>Re:I'll take my full refund now sony... Shipping i</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269800340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who used to buy exclusively Sony products this is just one more reason for me not to buy their products anymore.   Lets recap shall we. </p><p>They buy draconian laws from clueless congress critters?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Check.
<br>They want to ban consumers from possessing devices with a record button?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Check.
<br>They want to proprietize the marketplace with proprietary DRM infected media formats?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Check
<br>They lobby lobby lobby for broadcast flags?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Check.
<br>They lobby to close the analog loophole. 
<br>They lie to politicians (about piracy killing profits) for more draconian laws while turning record profits ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Check.
<br>They want to disable you ability to record CDs on you computer with rootkits while lobbying for a piracy tax on blank media? 
<br>They sue their customers ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. yep
<br>They are pro DRM, ACTA, DMCA, 
<br>Slapped red handed giving payola to radio station DJs to skew the song charts."
<br>Anti fair-use?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. yep 
<br>And they support the view and by proxy have told Congress that countries that support open source software as part of a gov. procurement policy should be on a watch list.

</p><p>Hmmm did i miss anything?
When I take all these things into account a disturbing pattern emerges hence, when it comes to their products I'll take a pass. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who used to buy exclusively Sony products this is just one more reason for me not to buy their products anymore .
Lets recap shall we .
They buy draconian laws from clueless congress critters ?
.. Check .
They want to ban consumers from possessing devices with a record button ?
.. Check .
They want to proprietize the marketplace with proprietary DRM infected media formats ?
.. Check They lobby lobby lobby for broadcast flags ?
.. Check .
They lobby to close the analog loophole .
They lie to politicians ( about piracy killing profits ) for more draconian laws while turning record profits ?
.. Check .
They want to disable you ability to record CDs on you computer with rootkits while lobbying for a piracy tax on blank media ?
They sue their customers ?
.. yep They are pro DRM , ACTA , DMCA , Slapped red handed giving payola to radio station DJs to skew the song charts .
" Anti fair-use ?
.. yep And they support the view and by proxy have told Congress that countries that support open source software as part of a gov .
procurement policy should be on a watch list .
Hmmm did i miss anything ?
When I take all these things into account a disturbing pattern emerges hence , when it comes to their products I 'll take a pass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who used to buy exclusively Sony products this is just one more reason for me not to buy their products anymore.
Lets recap shall we.
They buy draconian laws from clueless congress critters?
.. Check.
They want to ban consumers from possessing devices with a record button?
.. Check.
They want to proprietize the marketplace with proprietary DRM infected media formats?
.. Check
They lobby lobby lobby for broadcast flags?
.. Check.
They lobby to close the analog loophole.
They lie to politicians (about piracy killing profits) for more draconian laws while turning record profits ?
.. Check.
They want to disable you ability to record CDs on you computer with rootkits while lobbying for a piracy tax on blank media?
They sue their customers ?
.. yep
They are pro DRM, ACTA, DMCA, 
Slapped red handed giving payola to radio station DJs to skew the song charts.
"
Anti fair-use?
.. yep 
And they support the view and by proxy have told Congress that countries that support open source software as part of a gov.
procurement policy should be on a watch list.
Hmmm did i miss anything?
When I take all these things into account a disturbing pattern emerges hence, when it comes to their products I'll take a pass. </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31657216</id>
	<title>To all console owners</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269877920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let this be a lesson for you: play on the PC, a machine you actually own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let this be a lesson for you : play on the PC , a machine you actually own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let this be a lesson for you: play on the PC, a machine you actually own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653086</id>
	<title>Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269795420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most tech products improve during their life cycle.   Not Sony's.  Emulation, Linux... every iteration removes one more feature.  By the end of the year, they hope to have removed sound from the PS3, and a year from now the PS3 Omega will do nothing at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most tech products improve during their life cycle .
Not Sony 's .
Emulation , Linux... every iteration removes one more feature .
By the end of the year , they hope to have removed sound from the PS3 , and a year from now the PS3 Omega will do nothing at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most tech products improve during their life cycle.
Not Sony's.
Emulation, Linux... every iteration removes one more feature.
By the end of the year, they hope to have removed sound from the PS3, and a year from now the PS3 Omega will do nothing at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653258</id>
	<title>Re:what are the security concerns?</title>
	<author>Kitkoan</author>
	<datestamp>1269796980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's not <i>totally</i> implausible that the feature allows some sort of exploit, but I can't seem to find anything about one actually existing, or it having come up in the past as a security concern. Is that just a cover to remove it, or are there actually security concerns?</p></div><p>I think it's a huge security concern that Sony is trying to plug up without anyone noticing. Linux has access to all the hardware of the PS3 when it's the OS being ran (implementation isn't perfect yet though). Including it's blue ray disc reader that a lot of people don't normally have access to. This is how the Dreamcast was hacked even though it ran special 1 gig discs. People figured out how to hook the Dreamcast to a computer and make the Dreamcast become an external drive to read the discs and send them to the computer allowing everyone to pirate the games. Now we have the first signs of the PS3 being hacked, removing the Other OS feature removes one problem of Linux no longer being able to be used to install/flash the BIOS for the future cracked firmware (a la PSP style hacks), but it also removes the option of having the PS3 being turned into an external drive to read possible 'hidden' disc data that would only be read with PS3 firmware code.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's not totally implausible that the feature allows some sort of exploit , but I ca n't seem to find anything about one actually existing , or it having come up in the past as a security concern .
Is that just a cover to remove it , or are there actually security concerns ? I think it 's a huge security concern that Sony is trying to plug up without anyone noticing .
Linux has access to all the hardware of the PS3 when it 's the OS being ran ( implementation is n't perfect yet though ) .
Including it 's blue ray disc reader that a lot of people do n't normally have access to .
This is how the Dreamcast was hacked even though it ran special 1 gig discs .
People figured out how to hook the Dreamcast to a computer and make the Dreamcast become an external drive to read the discs and send them to the computer allowing everyone to pirate the games .
Now we have the first signs of the PS3 being hacked , removing the Other OS feature removes one problem of Linux no longer being able to be used to install/flash the BIOS for the future cracked firmware ( a la PSP style hacks ) , but it also removes the option of having the PS3 being turned into an external drive to read possible 'hidden ' disc data that would only be read with PS3 firmware code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not totally implausible that the feature allows some sort of exploit, but I can't seem to find anything about one actually existing, or it having come up in the past as a security concern.
Is that just a cover to remove it, or are there actually security concerns?I think it's a huge security concern that Sony is trying to plug up without anyone noticing.
Linux has access to all the hardware of the PS3 when it's the OS being ran (implementation isn't perfect yet though).
Including it's blue ray disc reader that a lot of people don't normally have access to.
This is how the Dreamcast was hacked even though it ran special 1 gig discs.
People figured out how to hook the Dreamcast to a computer and make the Dreamcast become an external drive to read the discs and send them to the computer allowing everyone to pirate the games.
Now we have the first signs of the PS3 being hacked, removing the Other OS feature removes one problem of Linux no longer being able to be used to install/flash the BIOS for the future cracked firmware (a la PSP style hacks), but it also removes the option of having the PS3 being turned into an external drive to read possible 'hidden' disc data that would only be read with PS3 firmware code.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656312</id>
	<title>Re:Bummer ... (1st</title>
	<author>Inconexo</author>
	<datestamp>1269873960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Idiot?</p><p>Well, you buy a console with X functionalities, and then Sony decides to remove some of them. If you paid for a console which can install other OS, will they return the money to you?</p><p>Figure that they want all consumers to buy the new PS3 and in the next update, they close the functionallity of playing games. Would it be acceptable?</p><p>Is it acceptable to have functionlities removed after you paid for them? Come on!</p><p>Idiot is thinking that because some people abuse something, you can remove it from legal users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Idiot ? Well , you buy a console with X functionalities , and then Sony decides to remove some of them .
If you paid for a console which can install other OS , will they return the money to you ? Figure that they want all consumers to buy the new PS3 and in the next update , they close the functionallity of playing games .
Would it be acceptable ? Is it acceptable to have functionlities removed after you paid for them ?
Come on ! Idiot is thinking that because some people abuse something , you can remove it from legal users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Idiot?Well, you buy a console with X functionalities, and then Sony decides to remove some of them.
If you paid for a console which can install other OS, will they return the money to you?Figure that they want all consumers to buy the new PS3 and in the next update, they close the functionallity of playing games.
Would it be acceptable?Is it acceptable to have functionlities removed after you paid for them?
Come on!Idiot is thinking that because some people abuse something, you can remove it from legal users.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653164</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269796020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should be blaming Sony, not geohot.  After all, if he accomplished nothing like you say he did, then Sony is being the irrational fuckwad here.</p><p>Sony is being the abusive father who punishes all of his children for the wrongdoings of a single.  Instead of blaming Sony, like you should, you blame geohot, like Sony wants you to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should be blaming Sony , not geohot .
After all , if he accomplished nothing like you say he did , then Sony is being the irrational fuckwad here.Sony is being the abusive father who punishes all of his children for the wrongdoings of a single .
Instead of blaming Sony , like you should , you blame geohot , like Sony wants you to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should be blaming Sony, not geohot.
After all, if he accomplished nothing like you say he did, then Sony is being the irrational fuckwad here.Sony is being the abusive father who punishes all of his children for the wrongdoings of a single.
Instead of blaming Sony, like you should, you blame geohot, like Sony wants you to.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655676</id>
	<title>Re:How could they? ... It's futile anyway.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269870060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you only use it as a computer I don't see what's your problem. You only need to update the firmware if you use it to play games or bluray movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you only use it as a computer I do n't see what 's your problem .
You only need to update the firmware if you use it to play games or bluray movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you only use it as a computer I don't see what's your problem.
You only need to update the firmware if you use it to play games or bluray movies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653562</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Rik Rohl</author>
	<datestamp>1269800460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Errrr, no.</p><p>That's what you get for buying a Sony product (Software, Media and now Hardware) in the first place.</p><p>Software: SOE (Star Wars Galaxies)<br>Media: Rootkitted CD's<br>Hardware: PS3</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Errrr , no.That 's what you get for buying a Sony product ( Software , Media and now Hardware ) in the first place.Software : SOE ( Star Wars Galaxies ) Media : Rootkitted CD'sHardware : PS3</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Errrr, no.That's what you get for buying a Sony product (Software, Media and now Hardware) in the first place.Software: SOE (Star Wars Galaxies)Media: Rootkitted CD'sHardware: PS3</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654826</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy idiot kids</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1269860640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's face it, the only real reason Sony gave the feature in the first place was because they wanted to bolster their case for passing the PS3 off as computer rather than an entertainment device for import tax purposes.</p><p>Other OS was just a tax dodge, one that failed in court, and when it did Sony decided to stop supporting it, that's really what it comes down to at the end of the day.</p><p>I've no doubt that you're right, GeoHot's actions are a major reason Sony have now decided to remove this feature retroactively too because keeping the feature meant they now had to use resources to ensure the feature was secure. The real blame, the majority of the blame must really go on Sony for telling their users this feature exist for the user's benefit, rather than the reality which is that it existed for Sony's benefit as an attempted tax dodge.</p><p>Sony is the real enemy for implementing a feature for the wrong reasons, and then deciding to give up supporting it when those reasons bore no fruit for them. Blame them for only ever implementing the feature for their benefit, and not the users benefit, but half-arsed pretending it was for the users benefit giving users a very misleading impression of the likelihood of continued support for the feature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's face it , the only real reason Sony gave the feature in the first place was because they wanted to bolster their case for passing the PS3 off as computer rather than an entertainment device for import tax purposes.Other OS was just a tax dodge , one that failed in court , and when it did Sony decided to stop supporting it , that 's really what it comes down to at the end of the day.I 've no doubt that you 're right , GeoHot 's actions are a major reason Sony have now decided to remove this feature retroactively too because keeping the feature meant they now had to use resources to ensure the feature was secure .
The real blame , the majority of the blame must really go on Sony for telling their users this feature exist for the user 's benefit , rather than the reality which is that it existed for Sony 's benefit as an attempted tax dodge.Sony is the real enemy for implementing a feature for the wrong reasons , and then deciding to give up supporting it when those reasons bore no fruit for them .
Blame them for only ever implementing the feature for their benefit , and not the users benefit , but half-arsed pretending it was for the users benefit giving users a very misleading impression of the likelihood of continued support for the feature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's face it, the only real reason Sony gave the feature in the first place was because they wanted to bolster their case for passing the PS3 off as computer rather than an entertainment device for import tax purposes.Other OS was just a tax dodge, one that failed in court, and when it did Sony decided to stop supporting it, that's really what it comes down to at the end of the day.I've no doubt that you're right, GeoHot's actions are a major reason Sony have now decided to remove this feature retroactively too because keeping the feature meant they now had to use resources to ensure the feature was secure.
The real blame, the majority of the blame must really go on Sony for telling their users this feature exist for the user's benefit, rather than the reality which is that it existed for Sony's benefit as an attempted tax dodge.Sony is the real enemy for implementing a feature for the wrong reasons, and then deciding to give up supporting it when those reasons bore no fruit for them.
Blame them for only ever implementing the feature for their benefit, and not the users benefit, but half-arsed pretending it was for the users benefit giving users a very misleading impression of the likelihood of continued support for the feature.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655606</id>
	<title>Re:Backlash?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1269869580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>IANAL, but I expect that they can get away with it legally</p></div></blockquote><p>Let's be honest, their EULA, and the corporate-owned legal system probably allow them to come take the PS3 away from you if they really want to.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL , but I expect that they can get away with it legallyLet 's be honest , their EULA , and the corporate-owned legal system probably allow them to come take the PS3 away from you if they really want to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL, but I expect that they can get away with it legallyLet's be honest, their EULA, and the corporate-owned legal system probably allow them to come take the PS3 away from you if they really want to.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653944</id>
	<title>Sony is making me choose</title>
	<author>B.Stolk</author>
	<datestamp>1269804840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm....<br>I use my ps3 for cell development, video streaming and playing games.<br>Sony is forcing me to choose between games or development.<br>Well... that means I've bought my last ps3 game.<br>I choose my ps3linux over the next call of duty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm....I use my ps3 for cell development , video streaming and playing games.Sony is forcing me to choose between games or development.Well... that means I 've bought my last ps3 game.I choose my ps3linux over the next call of duty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm....I use my ps3 for cell development, video streaming and playing games.Sony is forcing me to choose between games or development.Well... that means I've bought my last ps3 game.I choose my ps3linux over the next call of duty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31703496</id>
	<title>Re:They're still advertising the feature</title>
	<author>grumbel</author>
	<datestamp>1270124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The page is still available, but they now have added this little text to the top:</p><blockquote><div><p>On PS3 system models sold earlier than the CECH-2000 series models, the Open Platform feature will not be available if the system software is updated to version 3.21 or later.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The page is still available , but they now have added this little text to the top : On PS3 system models sold earlier than the CECH-2000 series models , the Open Platform feature will not be available if the system software is updated to version 3.21 or later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The page is still available, but they now have added this little text to the top:On PS3 system models sold earlier than the CECH-2000 series models, the Open Platform feature will not be available if the system software is updated to version 3.21 or later.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31656560</id>
	<title>But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269875040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3.21 Test units still have this function, so I kinda doubt this.<br>Oh well, whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3.21 Test units still have this function , so I kinda doubt this.Oh well , whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3.21 Test units still have this function, so I kinda doubt this.Oh well, whatever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655814</id>
	<title>Just "limited"</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1269871260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What Sony gave us was a glimpse of proprietary computing platforms:  "Sorry sir, but we will not grant you access to the graphics accelerator -- you are only supposed to be using Other OS if you want to run HPC workloads, not just to watch movies."  I waited years for a hack that would break the PS3 hyperviser, so that I could use my PS3 the way I wanted to use it, as a media center, and I am not the only one.<br> <br>

Of course, respecting their customers is not something Sony has ever expressed any interest in, so I really should not be surprised.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What Sony gave us was a glimpse of proprietary computing platforms : " Sorry sir , but we will not grant you access to the graphics accelerator -- you are only supposed to be using Other OS if you want to run HPC workloads , not just to watch movies .
" I waited years for a hack that would break the PS3 hyperviser , so that I could use my PS3 the way I wanted to use it , as a media center , and I am not the only one .
Of course , respecting their customers is not something Sony has ever expressed any interest in , so I really should not be surprised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What Sony gave us was a glimpse of proprietary computing platforms:  "Sorry sir, but we will not grant you access to the graphics accelerator -- you are only supposed to be using Other OS if you want to run HPC workloads, not just to watch movies.
"  I waited years for a hack that would break the PS3 hyperviser, so that I could use my PS3 the way I wanted to use it, as a media center, and I am not the only one.
Of course, respecting their customers is not something Sony has ever expressed any interest in, so I really should not be surprised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653000</id>
	<title>And a big fat...</title>
	<author>galvanash</author>
	<datestamp>1269794640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...screw you right back atcha Sony!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...screw you right back atcha Sony !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...screw you right back atcha Sony!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653368</id>
	<title>Not an April Fools'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://twitter.com/pinskia/status/11230057232" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/pinskia/status/11230057232</a> [twitter.com]</p><p>This isn't looking good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //twitter.com/pinskia/status/11230057232 [ twitter.com ] This is n't looking good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://twitter.com/pinskia/status/11230057232 [twitter.com]This isn't looking good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653274</id>
	<title>Re:Sony's unique business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269797280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This should be modded "insightful" rather than "funny."  It's the reason I never buy Sony products, other than, well, all the other reasons.  You never know when they're going to break perfectly good features and functionality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be modded " insightful " rather than " funny .
" It 's the reason I never buy Sony products , other than , well , all the other reasons .
You never know when they 're going to break perfectly good features and functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be modded "insightful" rather than "funny.
"  It's the reason I never buy Sony products, other than, well, all the other reasons.
You never know when they're going to break perfectly good features and functionality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653572</id>
	<title>$10 vouchers in 2015</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1269800520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get anyways.   Thanks alot Sony. I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot, but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get anyways .
Thanks alot Sony .
I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot , but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if a class action suit is filed and they are found guilty or w/e ill receive a coupon in the mail for something i didnt want and have to pay real money to get anyways.
Thanks alot Sony.
I dont use my Linux on my PS3 whole lot, but i didnt give up 10 GB of precious HDD space for nothing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31655882</id>
	<title>It might seem that way if you're insanely stupid</title>
	<author>DarkOx</author>
	<datestamp>1269871560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This comes as something of a surprise. Particularly because only a month ago Sony Computer Entertainment management seemed committed to the continued support of the Other OS option on the PS3</p></div><p>Right, because eliminating support for it on the current model hardware they are selling shows shuch strong commitment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This comes as something of a surprise .
Particularly because only a month ago Sony Computer Entertainment management seemed committed to the continued support of the Other OS option on the PS3Right , because eliminating support for it on the current model hardware they are selling shows shuch strong commitment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This comes as something of a surprise.
Particularly because only a month ago Sony Computer Entertainment management seemed committed to the continued support of the Other OS option on the PS3Right, because eliminating support for it on the current model hardware they are selling shows shuch strong commitment.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31653342</id>
	<title>Just a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269798180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um... April Fool's?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um... April Fool 's ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um... April Fool's?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_29_0227251.31654676</id>
	<title>Piracy not the issue</title>
	<author>Andtalath</author>
	<datestamp>1269858600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From my point of view, I don't think that piracy is in fact the issue.</p><p>The main problem with allowing linux is the fact that a lot of people buy this set of hardware as a set of hardware and not as a gaming console.</p><p>This means that Sony will not only be making less money then if the sold it as a gaming console, but they actually lose money since they are selling the console itself at a loss.</p><p>They should be selling more expensive versions with linux enabled though, upping the price by a couple of hundred dollars would still make them a very cheap source of cool hardware.</p><p>Disabling it in all-ready sold products is just a bastard move though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From my point of view , I do n't think that piracy is in fact the issue.The main problem with allowing linux is the fact that a lot of people buy this set of hardware as a set of hardware and not as a gaming console.This means that Sony will not only be making less money then if the sold it as a gaming console , but they actually lose money since they are selling the console itself at a loss.They should be selling more expensive versions with linux enabled though , upping the price by a couple of hundred dollars would still make them a very cheap source of cool hardware.Disabling it in all-ready sold products is just a bastard move though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my point of view, I don't think that piracy is in fact the issue.The main problem with allowing linux is the fact that a lot of people buy this set of hardware as a set of hardware and not as a gaming console.This means that Sony will not only be making less money then if the sold it as a gaming console, but they actually lose money since they are selling the console itself at a loss.They should be selling more expensive versions with linux enabled though, upping the price by a couple of hundred dollars would still make them a very cheap source of cool hardware.Disabling it in all-ready sold products is just a bastard move though.</sentencetext>
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