<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_27_1931201</id>
	<title>Rugged Laptop/Tablet Suggestions, 2010 Version?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269718620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>robbievienna writes <i>"I'm currently living in the Arabian desert. Typically, unless a building has been sealed against the elements, sand and dust get everywhere. I purchased a keyboard cover for one of my laptops, and noticed that there was more accumulation on the underside than the topside. I've had sand crunk up the guts of one laptop and one tablet (Nokia N810). My coworkers who are native to the region tend to trade out their technology every six to twelve months, but I don't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequently. I was wondering what suggestions people have for working in this type of environment &mdash; both for laptops and for tablets. For reference, I work in a pseudo-secured zone where computers (phones, etc.) are not permitted to have cameras. A DVD drive would be nice, but is unnecessary. The more USB ports, the better. The <a href="//ask.slashdot.org/story/05/09/08/0212209/Durable-Laptop-Suggestions-for-the-Desert">last time the question was posted on Slashdot</a> was five years ago, so I'm presuming that there are new industry leaders."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>robbievienna writes " I 'm currently living in the Arabian desert .
Typically , unless a building has been sealed against the elements , sand and dust get everywhere .
I purchased a keyboard cover for one of my laptops , and noticed that there was more accumulation on the underside than the topside .
I 've had sand crunk up the guts of one laptop and one tablet ( Nokia N810 ) .
My coworkers who are native to the region tend to trade out their technology every six to twelve months , but I do n't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequently .
I was wondering what suggestions people have for working in this type of environment    both for laptops and for tablets .
For reference , I work in a pseudo-secured zone where computers ( phones , etc .
) are not permitted to have cameras .
A DVD drive would be nice , but is unnecessary .
The more USB ports , the better .
The last time the question was posted on Slashdot was five years ago , so I 'm presuming that there are new industry leaders .
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<sentencetext>robbievienna writes "I'm currently living in the Arabian desert.
Typically, unless a building has been sealed against the elements, sand and dust get everywhere.
I purchased a keyboard cover for one of my laptops, and noticed that there was more accumulation on the underside than the topside.
I've had sand crunk up the guts of one laptop and one tablet (Nokia N810).
My coworkers who are native to the region tend to trade out their technology every six to twelve months, but I don't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequently.
I was wondering what suggestions people have for working in this type of environment — both for laptops and for tablets.
For reference, I work in a pseudo-secured zone where computers (phones, etc.
) are not permitted to have cameras.
A DVD drive would be nice, but is unnecessary.
The more USB ports, the better.
The last time the question was posted on Slashdot was five years ago, so I'm presuming that there are new industry leaders.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642266</id>
	<title>iPad is still better.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269681540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd recommend waiting until the iPad comes out, then get one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd recommend waiting until the iPad comes out , then get one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd recommend waiting until the iPad comes out, then get one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642752</id>
	<title>out of your box solutions including OS X</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269685380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize you asked for a ruggedized laptop.  However, that everyone else replaces theirs regularly points to the idea that you should consider that as a serious alternative and not discard it out of hand.  I called this 'out of your box' because they're all doing it, and you're rejecting it a priori.  I see basically three legitimate issues with this solution:</p><p>a) maintaining a consistent interface for you to be used to<br>b) providing easy data migration to the replacement device<br>c) total cost of multiple non-ruggedized devices compared to the realistic lifespan of ruggedized ones.</p><p>I'm not suggesting that my parent post had the right thoughts in mind, but Apple does provide surprisingly good, quick and easy solutions for a&amp;b in OS X and the iPhone; I would expect the iPad to continue this.</p><p>Apple is not historically great about 'c', but that sand environment is hard even on the modestly ruggedized ones so it's not impossible.</p><p>Of course, I imagine their are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.e.g Linux distros with good solutions to a &amp; b and other laptop vendors who tend to have a consistent interface.</p><p>Of course you might need to account for shipping, purchasing, processing, or environmental costs in 'c', but even on the environmental front it's not a given that one device is better than 3, esp if it gets recycled well (many parts of the sandworn one will still work, and it'll be early enough that those, minus your HD, are reasonable used replacement parts in the right shop...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize you asked for a ruggedized laptop .
However , that everyone else replaces theirs regularly points to the idea that you should consider that as a serious alternative and not discard it out of hand .
I called this 'out of your box ' because they 're all doing it , and you 're rejecting it a priori .
I see basically three legitimate issues with this solution : a ) maintaining a consistent interface for you to be used tob ) providing easy data migration to the replacement devicec ) total cost of multiple non-ruggedized devices compared to the realistic lifespan of ruggedized ones.I 'm not suggesting that my parent post had the right thoughts in mind , but Apple does provide surprisingly good , quick and easy solutions for a&amp;b in OS X and the iPhone ; I would expect the iPad to continue this.Apple is not historically great about 'c ' , but that sand environment is hard even on the modestly ruggedized ones so it 's not impossible.Of course , I imagine their are .e.g Linux distros with good solutions to a &amp; b and other laptop vendors who tend to have a consistent interface.Of course you might need to account for shipping , purchasing , processing , or environmental costs in 'c ' , but even on the environmental front it 's not a given that one device is better than 3 , esp if it gets recycled well ( many parts of the sandworn one will still work , and it 'll be early enough that those , minus your HD , are reasonable used replacement parts in the right shop... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize you asked for a ruggedized laptop.
However, that everyone else replaces theirs regularly points to the idea that you should consider that as a serious alternative and not discard it out of hand.
I called this 'out of your box' because they're all doing it, and you're rejecting it a priori.
I see basically three legitimate issues with this solution:a) maintaining a consistent interface for you to be used tob) providing easy data migration to the replacement devicec) total cost of multiple non-ruggedized devices compared to the realistic lifespan of ruggedized ones.I'm not suggesting that my parent post had the right thoughts in mind, but Apple does provide surprisingly good, quick and easy solutions for a&amp;b in OS X and the iPhone; I would expect the iPad to continue this.Apple is not historically great about 'c', but that sand environment is hard even on the modestly ruggedized ones so it's not impossible.Of course, I imagine their are .e.g Linux distros with good solutions to a &amp; b and other laptop vendors who tend to have a consistent interface.Of course you might need to account for shipping, purchasing, processing, or environmental costs in 'c', but even on the environmental front it's not a given that one device is better than 3, esp if it gets recycled well (many parts of the sandworn one will still work, and it'll be early enough that those, minus your HD, are reasonable used replacement parts in the right shop...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642964</id>
	<title>OLPC</title>
	<author>FreeBSD evangelist</author>
	<datestamp>1269687240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The One Laptop Per Child program (I have an original XO) builds for that exact environment.
<p>
<a href="http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/index.shtml" title="laptop.org" rel="nofollow">http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/index.shtml</a> [laptop.org] <br>
<a href="http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml" title="laptop.org" rel="nofollow">http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml</a> [laptop.org]
</p><p>
There is a lightweight version of Windows they can run if you can't make it with "Sugar".  You can find them on eBay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The One Laptop Per Child program ( I have an original XO ) builds for that exact environment .
http : //laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/index.shtml [ laptop.org ] http : //laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml [ laptop.org ] There is a lightweight version of Windows they can run if you ca n't make it with " Sugar " .
You can find them on eBay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The One Laptop Per Child program (I have an original XO) builds for that exact environment.
http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/index.shtml [laptop.org] 
http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml [laptop.org]

There is a lightweight version of Windows they can run if you can't make it with "Sugar".
You can find them on eBay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642442</id>
	<title>Forget the hardware!</title>
	<author>RNLockwood</author>
	<datestamp>1269683040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have any suggestions on the hardware but how often do you plan to swap out your lungs or is there a medical procedure to flush out the grit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have any suggestions on the hardware but how often do you plan to swap out your lungs or is there a medical procedure to flush out the grit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have any suggestions on the hardware but how often do you plan to swap out your lungs or is there a medical procedure to flush out the grit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644028</id>
	<title>Get you an air compressor w/ a blow nozzle . . .</title>
	<author>sinai</author>
	<datestamp>1269698460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and use it regularly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and use it regularly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and use it regularly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643590</id>
	<title>Panasonic Toughbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269693780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need a laptop rated to Military Standard 810F and IP54. A laptop that meets these standards will survive in the sahara, but only one that does, will.</p><p>The Panasonic Toughbook range will meet your needs.</p><p>Someone mentioned it above but misspelled it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need a laptop rated to Military Standard 810F and IP54 .
A laptop that meets these standards will survive in the sahara , but only one that does , will.The Panasonic Toughbook range will meet your needs.Someone mentioned it above but misspelled it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need a laptop rated to Military Standard 810F and IP54.
A laptop that meets these standards will survive in the sahara, but only one that does, will.The Panasonic Toughbook range will meet your needs.Someone mentioned it above but misspelled it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643014</id>
	<title>Re:Use a disposable laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269687600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine sand is a killer - it gets everywhere.</p><p>I used to work on powder processing instrumentation and regularly had to take laptop computers onsite to calibrate instruments. We used to use Dells  with external IP-54 keyboards and masking tape over all the unused ports. On a few occasions I had to take a normal keyboard they didn't last more than a few keystrokes (I'd guess 20 per key before they failed).</p><p>This was lactose, coal, silica, calcium carbonate, etc. When we started work with metal powder we invested in proper IP54 laptops - no fan, membrane keyboard and rubber plugs on all the ports. Heavy, underpowered (800MHz PIII) but they worked. We looked at some "ruggedised" efforts but without the IP rating they were really just  slightly less prone to drop damage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine sand is a killer - it gets everywhere.I used to work on powder processing instrumentation and regularly had to take laptop computers onsite to calibrate instruments .
We used to use Dells with external IP-54 keyboards and masking tape over all the unused ports .
On a few occasions I had to take a normal keyboard they did n't last more than a few keystrokes ( I 'd guess 20 per key before they failed ) .This was lactose , coal , silica , calcium carbonate , etc .
When we started work with metal powder we invested in proper IP54 laptops - no fan , membrane keyboard and rubber plugs on all the ports .
Heavy , underpowered ( 800MHz PIII ) but they worked .
We looked at some " ruggedised " efforts but without the IP rating they were really just slightly less prone to drop damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine sand is a killer - it gets everywhere.I used to work on powder processing instrumentation and regularly had to take laptop computers onsite to calibrate instruments.
We used to use Dells  with external IP-54 keyboards and masking tape over all the unused ports.
On a few occasions I had to take a normal keyboard they didn't last more than a few keystrokes (I'd guess 20 per key before they failed).This was lactose, coal, silica, calcium carbonate, etc.
When we started work with metal powder we invested in proper IP54 laptops - no fan, membrane keyboard and rubber plugs on all the ports.
Heavy, underpowered (800MHz PIII) but they worked.
We looked at some "ruggedised" efforts but without the IP rating they were really just  slightly less prone to drop damage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645706</id>
	<title>Wow, fine contaminate.</title>
	<author>threehams</author>
	<datestamp>1269806700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is tricky, really. Ultra fine contaminate is basically beyond the scope of most rugged gear. The problem I see here is that in these types of environments it will be very difficult to operate any type of machine requiring ventilation. If an air current can penetrate the gear, it is more than likely that fine contaminates will penetrate the gear. I'm not aware of any surfaces that are permeable by gas but not microscopic contaminate without a dramatic filter system. I think the solution(long term) that you might look at will be to use a portable "safe room" on the cheap. Setting up a safe environment will take extra time, and training, but what you might save in hardware and productivity may justify the cost. I guess it might largely depend on the steps to interface with machines(stairs, narrow walkways, tarzan ropes) however I could envision a reusable portable sterile room. I imagine that hardware users are probably a HUGE part of why micro contaminates enter the hardware, since they are on every inch of a user long before they penetrate the hardware, the more a "dirty" user touches of interfaces with hardware components, the worse it gets.

This seems deeper than a simple manufactured solution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is tricky , really .
Ultra fine contaminate is basically beyond the scope of most rugged gear .
The problem I see here is that in these types of environments it will be very difficult to operate any type of machine requiring ventilation .
If an air current can penetrate the gear , it is more than likely that fine contaminates will penetrate the gear .
I 'm not aware of any surfaces that are permeable by gas but not microscopic contaminate without a dramatic filter system .
I think the solution ( long term ) that you might look at will be to use a portable " safe room " on the cheap .
Setting up a safe environment will take extra time , and training , but what you might save in hardware and productivity may justify the cost .
I guess it might largely depend on the steps to interface with machines ( stairs , narrow walkways , tarzan ropes ) however I could envision a reusable portable sterile room .
I imagine that hardware users are probably a HUGE part of why micro contaminates enter the hardware , since they are on every inch of a user long before they penetrate the hardware , the more a " dirty " user touches of interfaces with hardware components , the worse it gets .
This seems deeper than a simple manufactured solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is tricky, really.
Ultra fine contaminate is basically beyond the scope of most rugged gear.
The problem I see here is that in these types of environments it will be very difficult to operate any type of machine requiring ventilation.
If an air current can penetrate the gear, it is more than likely that fine contaminates will penetrate the gear.
I'm not aware of any surfaces that are permeable by gas but not microscopic contaminate without a dramatic filter system.
I think the solution(long term) that you might look at will be to use a portable "safe room" on the cheap.
Setting up a safe environment will take extra time, and training, but what you might save in hardware and productivity may justify the cost.
I guess it might largely depend on the steps to interface with machines(stairs, narrow walkways, tarzan ropes) however I could envision a reusable portable sterile room.
I imagine that hardware users are probably a HUGE part of why micro contaminates enter the hardware, since they are on every inch of a user long before they penetrate the hardware, the more a "dirty" user touches of interfaces with hardware components, the worse it gets.
This seems deeper than a simple manufactured solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642882</id>
	<title>Re:Rome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269686520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Romans didn't have laptops, dumbass, they used mainframes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Romans did n't have laptops , dumbass , they used mainframes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Romans didn't have laptops, dumbass, they used mainframes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31646014</id>
	<title>Re:I think people are over looking the obvious cho</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
	<datestamp>1269769320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>where are the mod points when you need them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>where are the mod points when you need them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>where are the mod points when you need them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642120</id>
	<title>Field notebooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269680400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are models that meet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810" title="wikipedia.org">MIL-STD-810</a> [wikipedia.org].  Have you seen any of these tried in your environment?  Some of them have already been mentioned such as the <a href="http://panasonic.net/avc/toughbook/full/" title="panasonic.net">Panasonic Toughbooks</a> [panasonic.net] and <a href="http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3955549.html" title="hp.com">HP Elitebooks</a> [hp.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are models that meet MIL-STD-810 [ wikipedia.org ] .
Have you seen any of these tried in your environment ?
Some of them have already been mentioned such as the Panasonic Toughbooks [ panasonic.net ] and HP Elitebooks [ hp.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are models that meet MIL-STD-810 [wikipedia.org].
Have you seen any of these tried in your environment?
Some of them have already been mentioned such as the Panasonic Toughbooks [panasonic.net] and HP Elitebooks [hp.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643534</id>
	<title>Re:Oddball Suggestion...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269693120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Deserts are, as a rule, dry. Not hot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Deserts are , as a rule , dry .
Not hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deserts are, as a rule, dry.
Not hot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31684628</id>
	<title>Re:Not worth it</title>
	<author>anonymous cupboard</author>
	<datestamp>1270029960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The issue isn't so much whether a ThinkPad will last a sixth of the time of a Toughbook but whether it will last the month. The problem with low level home-ruggedisation (covering up points of ingress) is that you screw with the cooling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The issue is n't so much whether a ThinkPad will last a sixth of the time of a Toughbook but whether it will last the month .
The problem with low level home-ruggedisation ( covering up points of ingress ) is that you screw with the cooling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The issue isn't so much whether a ThinkPad will last a sixth of the time of a Toughbook but whether it will last the month.
The problem with low level home-ruggedisation (covering up points of ingress) is that you screw with the cooling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645988</id>
	<title>Re:Field notebooks</title>
	<author>bananaendian</author>
	<datestamp>1269768900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are models that meet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810" title="wikipedia.org">MIL-STD-810</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div><p> <b>No there aren't! There is no such thing as 'meeting MIL-STD-810 standard'!</b></p><p>MIL-STD-810, "Department of Defense Test Method Standard for Environmental Engineering Considerations and Laboratory Tests" <b>suggests</b> how certain environmental conditions, such as vehicle vibration and ballistic shock, could be simulated in the laboratory. For some of these test methods it also <b>suggests</b> parameters and limits for different applications. A large part of the standard is devoted to explaining how the tests should be chosen and tailored for the particular application in order to produce relevant data for the engineering process. There is no certifying authority to give you a badge of approval if you pass some test, as there are no standard test facilities for these tests either!</p><p>Compare this to for example the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP\_Code" title="wikipedia.org">IP Code</a> [wikipedia.org] which has specific descriptions and limits on what a device has to withstand in order to be specified in the IP class. Further more there are <a href="http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/" title="ul.com">independent test companies</a> [ul.com] with the standardized test facilities to give you a certificate that the device can indeed withstand environmental conditions equivalent to a specific IP class.</p><p>Further more no actual product could 'comply' with all the test methods in the 810 standard. With anything with more functionality than a metal brick one would have to limit the test methods and parameters for it to survive them. Consequently a manufacturer would have to specify which methods and what parameters and test configurations were used in order for anyone to deduce if the product might survive some environmental condition.</p><p>The truth is, most products that have MIL-STD-810 slapped on them have never been tested - merely 'designed to meet' some arbitrary interpretation of the standard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The funny thing is, Panasonic Toughbooks have indeed been tested extensively - there are cool videos of the tests on their website - but those tests are IP Class tests which they <b>have to</b> perform.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are models that meet MIL-STD-810 [ wikipedia.org ] .
No there are n't !
There is no such thing as 'meeting MIL-STD-810 standard ' ! MIL-STD-810 , " Department of Defense Test Method Standard for Environmental Engineering Considerations and Laboratory Tests " suggests how certain environmental conditions , such as vehicle vibration and ballistic shock , could be simulated in the laboratory .
For some of these test methods it also suggests parameters and limits for different applications .
A large part of the standard is devoted to explaining how the tests should be chosen and tailored for the particular application in order to produce relevant data for the engineering process .
There is no certifying authority to give you a badge of approval if you pass some test , as there are no standard test facilities for these tests either ! Compare this to for example the IP Code [ wikipedia.org ] which has specific descriptions and limits on what a device has to withstand in order to be specified in the IP class .
Further more there are independent test companies [ ul.com ] with the standardized test facilities to give you a certificate that the device can indeed withstand environmental conditions equivalent to a specific IP class.Further more no actual product could 'comply ' with all the test methods in the 810 standard .
With anything with more functionality than a metal brick one would have to limit the test methods and parameters for it to survive them .
Consequently a manufacturer would have to specify which methods and what parameters and test configurations were used in order for anyone to deduce if the product might survive some environmental condition.The truth is , most products that have MIL-STD-810 slapped on them have never been tested - merely 'designed to meet ' some arbitrary interpretation of the standard ... The funny thing is , Panasonic Toughbooks have indeed been tested extensively - there are cool videos of the tests on their website - but those tests are IP Class tests which they have to perform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are models that meet MIL-STD-810 [wikipedia.org].
No there aren't!
There is no such thing as 'meeting MIL-STD-810 standard'!MIL-STD-810, "Department of Defense Test Method Standard for Environmental Engineering Considerations and Laboratory Tests" suggests how certain environmental conditions, such as vehicle vibration and ballistic shock, could be simulated in the laboratory.
For some of these test methods it also suggests parameters and limits for different applications.
A large part of the standard is devoted to explaining how the tests should be chosen and tailored for the particular application in order to produce relevant data for the engineering process.
There is no certifying authority to give you a badge of approval if you pass some test, as there are no standard test facilities for these tests either!Compare this to for example the IP Code [wikipedia.org] which has specific descriptions and limits on what a device has to withstand in order to be specified in the IP class.
Further more there are independent test companies [ul.com] with the standardized test facilities to give you a certificate that the device can indeed withstand environmental conditions equivalent to a specific IP class.Further more no actual product could 'comply' with all the test methods in the 810 standard.
With anything with more functionality than a metal brick one would have to limit the test methods and parameters for it to survive them.
Consequently a manufacturer would have to specify which methods and what parameters and test configurations were used in order for anyone to deduce if the product might survive some environmental condition.The truth is, most products that have MIL-STD-810 slapped on them have never been tested - merely 'designed to meet' some arbitrary interpretation of the standard ... The funny thing is, Panasonic Toughbooks have indeed been tested extensively - there are cool videos of the tests on their website - but those tests are IP Class tests which they have to perform.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643852</id>
	<title>Re:SSD not spinny disk</title>
	<author>quacking duck</author>
	<datestamp>1269696600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans. I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan wasn't needed much.</p></div><p>Smartphones fit this bill, as will the iPad and other next-generation "computer-lite" tablets.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans .
I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan was n't needed much.Smartphones fit this bill , as will the iPad and other next-generation " computer-lite " tablets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans.
I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan wasn't needed much.Smartphones fit this bill, as will the iPad and other next-generation "computer-lite" tablets.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31641980</id>
	<title>Use a disposable laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269722580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try getting a cheap netbook, and just replace it when it dies.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>but I don't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequently</p></div><p>Keep spares in sealed plastic bags so that you won't have to change hardware. For data, put everything (including O/S) on a rugged external hard drive. A single USB/firewire hard drive should be easier to protect than an entire computer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try getting a cheap netbook , and just replace it when it dies.but I do n't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequentlyKeep spares in sealed plastic bags so that you wo n't have to change hardware .
For data , put everything ( including O/S ) on a rugged external hard drive .
A single USB/firewire hard drive should be easier to protect than an entire computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try getting a cheap netbook, and just replace it when it dies.but I don't want to migrate data and adjust to new hardware that frequentlyKeep spares in sealed plastic bags so that you won't have to change hardware.
For data, put everything (including O/S) on a rugged external hard drive.
A single USB/firewire hard drive should be easier to protect than an entire computer.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642274</id>
	<title>Software + hardware based suggestion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269681600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>Software suggestion</b>: Embrace cloud computing for all your data needs (assuming you have a good internet connection.) This will remove the problem of having to change hardware and replicate settings all the time.</p><p> <b>Hardware suggestion</b>: Cheap netbooks that can be resold to unsuspecting people in the desert<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Software suggestion : Embrace cloud computing for all your data needs ( assuming you have a good internet connection .
) This will remove the problem of having to change hardware and replicate settings all the time .
Hardware suggestion : Cheap netbooks that can be resold to unsuspecting people in the desert : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Software suggestion: Embrace cloud computing for all your data needs (assuming you have a good internet connection.
) This will remove the problem of having to change hardware and replicate settings all the time.
Hardware suggestion: Cheap netbooks that can be resold to unsuspecting people in the desert :) </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31661310</id>
	<title>Re:Use a disposable laptop</title>
	<author>erikj3150</author>
	<datestamp>1269895920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, you could put the hard drive inside of an enclosure and use cable glands to run the usb in and out (or just glue it).  Then you don't have to worry about the hard drive getting any sand or anything.  Just make sure the enclosure is large enough that the drive doesn't overheat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , you could put the hard drive inside of an enclosure and use cable glands to run the usb in and out ( or just glue it ) .
Then you do n't have to worry about the hard drive getting any sand or anything .
Just make sure the enclosure is large enough that the drive does n't overheat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, you could put the hard drive inside of an enclosure and use cable glands to run the usb in and out (or just glue it).
Then you don't have to worry about the hard drive getting any sand or anything.
Just make sure the enclosure is large enough that the drive doesn't overheat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643706</id>
	<title>I've encountered the same problem...</title>
	<author>LynnwoodRooster</author>
	<datestamp>1269694800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and solved it with Panasonic Toughbooks.  I did SONAR research systems for a half a decade, and we always had problems with not just sand and dirt from the remote locations we were in, but often saltwater spray as well.  Panasonic Toughbooks were the only laptops that stood up to everything we did, and never failed.  Yes, they're expensive, but they're worth it, especially when you're paying $2500 per day for a research vessel and your laptop dies when you're 4 days out into the ocean.  That's a $20,000 (there and back) failure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and solved it with Panasonic Toughbooks .
I did SONAR research systems for a half a decade , and we always had problems with not just sand and dirt from the remote locations we were in , but often saltwater spray as well .
Panasonic Toughbooks were the only laptops that stood up to everything we did , and never failed .
Yes , they 're expensive , but they 're worth it , especially when you 're paying $ 2500 per day for a research vessel and your laptop dies when you 're 4 days out into the ocean .
That 's a $ 20,000 ( there and back ) failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and solved it with Panasonic Toughbooks.
I did SONAR research systems for a half a decade, and we always had problems with not just sand and dirt from the remote locations we were in, but often saltwater spray as well.
Panasonic Toughbooks were the only laptops that stood up to everything we did, and never failed.
Yes, they're expensive, but they're worth it, especially when you're paying $2500 per day for a research vessel and your laptop dies when you're 4 days out into the ocean.
That's a $20,000 (there and back) failure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31647854</id>
	<title>Re:Field notebooks</title>
	<author>Jon Abbott</author>
	<datestamp>1269796140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was assigned an HP Elitebook at work and it is one of the junkiest laptops I've ever used.  They have two inferior latch mechanisms which feel like they are going to break each time I close the lid.  The underside is made out of flexible plastic.  The default display temperature is off (very blue; I had to add ATI Catalyst drivers to adjust the display temp back to normal).  The keys feel very flimsy.  The screen backlight is very dim and takes a long time to activate.  When using an external display, it is slow to activate (and sometimes it doesn't switch resolutions properly).  The battery doesn't last very long (2 hours is normal).  Please, please spare yourself the agony and do not use an HP Elitebook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was assigned an HP Elitebook at work and it is one of the junkiest laptops I 've ever used .
They have two inferior latch mechanisms which feel like they are going to break each time I close the lid .
The underside is made out of flexible plastic .
The default display temperature is off ( very blue ; I had to add ATI Catalyst drivers to adjust the display temp back to normal ) .
The keys feel very flimsy .
The screen backlight is very dim and takes a long time to activate .
When using an external display , it is slow to activate ( and sometimes it does n't switch resolutions properly ) .
The battery does n't last very long ( 2 hours is normal ) .
Please , please spare yourself the agony and do not use an HP Elitebook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was assigned an HP Elitebook at work and it is one of the junkiest laptops I've ever used.
They have two inferior latch mechanisms which feel like they are going to break each time I close the lid.
The underside is made out of flexible plastic.
The default display temperature is off (very blue; I had to add ATI Catalyst drivers to adjust the display temp back to normal).
The keys feel very flimsy.
The screen backlight is very dim and takes a long time to activate.
When using an external display, it is slow to activate (and sometimes it doesn't switch resolutions properly).
The battery doesn't last very long (2 hours is normal).
Please, please spare yourself the agony and do not use an HP Elitebook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642086</id>
	<title>Rome</title>
	<author>Great Big Bird</author>
	<datestamp>1269723240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>When in Rome, Do as the Romans do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When in Rome , Do as the Romans do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When in Rome, Do as the Romans do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643808</id>
	<title>Motion Computing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269696240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet\_pc\_f5.asp</p><p>Very rugged, have used these personally for a client</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet \ _pc \ _f5.aspVery rugged , have used these personally for a client</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet\_pc\_f5.aspVery rugged, have used these personally for a client</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642030</id>
	<title>Apple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269722880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FWIW, I just spent a few weeks in the Moroccan Sahara and most of the natives who had laptops, had a Macbook</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW , I just spent a few weeks in the Moroccan Sahara and most of the natives who had laptops , had a Macbook</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW, I just spent a few weeks in the Moroccan Sahara and most of the natives who had laptops, had a Macbook</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642062</id>
	<title>dust filter bags</title>
	<author>ffflala</author>
	<datestamp>1269723120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about using a computer dust filter bag? You could cut a window for typing and seal around the keyboard cover. You could also create flaps for the optical drive and ports, though an extension hub might make more sense and provide for a tighter seal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about using a computer dust filter bag ?
You could cut a window for typing and seal around the keyboard cover .
You could also create flaps for the optical drive and ports , though an extension hub might make more sense and provide for a tighter seal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about using a computer dust filter bag?
You could cut a window for typing and seal around the keyboard cover.
You could also create flaps for the optical drive and ports, though an extension hub might make more sense and provide for a tighter seal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642608</id>
	<title>Re:Oddball Suggestion...</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1269684360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flow</p></div><p>Desert dust is distinct from the grains of sand you're accustomed to. It's been worn down to nearly microscopic, is highly abrasive, very light, and nylons won't keep that kind of stuff out. And even if they could, you're obstructing the airflow to critical components which will overheat. He did mention <i>desert</i> correct? Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.</p><p>You need purpose-built tools to work in that environment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flowDesert dust is distinct from the grains of sand you 're accustomed to .
It 's been worn down to nearly microscopic , is highly abrasive , very light , and nylons wo n't keep that kind of stuff out .
And even if they could , you 're obstructing the airflow to critical components which will overheat .
He did mention desert correct ?
Deserts are ( as a rule ) quite hot.You need purpose-built tools to work in that environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flowDesert dust is distinct from the grains of sand you're accustomed to.
It's been worn down to nearly microscopic, is highly abrasive, very light, and nylons won't keep that kind of stuff out.
And even if they could, you're obstructing the airflow to critical components which will overheat.
He did mention desert correct?
Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.You need purpose-built tools to work in that environment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642826</id>
	<title>Samsung B2100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269685980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using a Samsung B2100 dumb-phone and I like it.  It's main selling point is that it's waterproof, but it should be dustproof as well.  It's UI is a bit wonky at times, but it's about on par with every other dumb-phone UI I've used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using a Samsung B2100 dumb-phone and I like it .
It 's main selling point is that it 's waterproof , but it should be dustproof as well .
It 's UI is a bit wonky at times , but it 's about on par with every other dumb-phone UI I 've used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using a Samsung B2100 dumb-phone and I like it.
It's main selling point is that it's waterproof, but it should be dustproof as well.
It's UI is a bit wonky at times, but it's about on par with every other dumb-phone UI I've used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642342</id>
	<title>Re:iPad is still better.</title>
	<author>brad-x</author>
	<datestamp>1269682020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt the iPad is going to be sturdy or rugged by any stretch of the imagination.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt the iPad is going to be sturdy or rugged by any stretch of the imagination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt the iPad is going to be sturdy or rugged by any stretch of the imagination.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31659462</id>
	<title>Panasonic Toughbooks aren't all tanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269887220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're probabily aware of the fully rugged Panasonic Toughbooks but their "business rugged" machines are a great alternative.  The T, R, Y etc series are fanless, ventless and have little gromets sealings ports here and there, like their tougher cousins, but they're small, light machines with a minimum amount of armour with fantastic battery life.  The keyboards and connectors are made to higher specs.  Highly recommended.  There are some "semi rugged" models such as CF-73 and CF-51 that have fans.  Those are more drop resistant than environment resistant.  I've run both and the "business rugged" models win out for dusty/moist conditions.  Btw, I commute by bicycle in Arizona and tend to leave windows open rather than run the A/C.  It can be pretty dusty here too and most machines clog after a year here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're probabily aware of the fully rugged Panasonic Toughbooks but their " business rugged " machines are a great alternative .
The T , R , Y etc series are fanless , ventless and have little gromets sealings ports here and there , like their tougher cousins , but they 're small , light machines with a minimum amount of armour with fantastic battery life .
The keyboards and connectors are made to higher specs .
Highly recommended .
There are some " semi rugged " models such as CF-73 and CF-51 that have fans .
Those are more drop resistant than environment resistant .
I 've run both and the " business rugged " models win out for dusty/moist conditions .
Btw , I commute by bicycle in Arizona and tend to leave windows open rather than run the A/C .
It can be pretty dusty here too and most machines clog after a year here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're probabily aware of the fully rugged Panasonic Toughbooks but their "business rugged" machines are a great alternative.
The T, R, Y etc series are fanless, ventless and have little gromets sealings ports here and there, like their tougher cousins, but they're small, light machines with a minimum amount of armour with fantastic battery life.
The keyboards and connectors are made to higher specs.
Highly recommended.
There are some "semi rugged" models such as CF-73 and CF-51 that have fans.
Those are more drop resistant than environment resistant.
I've run both and the "business rugged" models win out for dusty/moist conditions.
Btw, I commute by bicycle in Arizona and tend to leave windows open rather than run the A/C.
It can be pretty dusty here too and most machines clog after a year here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645468</id>
	<title>Re:iPad is still better.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269716220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the more USB ports, the better"</p><p>iPad is not ideal for this. And I assume the computing he will be doing in afghanistan or wherever he said will not include checking his twitter or checking out his friends' flickr.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the more USB ports , the better " iPad is not ideal for this .
And I assume the computing he will be doing in afghanistan or wherever he said will not include checking his twitter or checking out his friends ' flickr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the more USB ports, the better"iPad is not ideal for this.
And I assume the computing he will be doing in afghanistan or wherever he said will not include checking his twitter or checking out his friends' flickr.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642552</id>
	<title>I think people are over looking the obvious choice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269683880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are in the middle east you should consider native technologies.</p><p>The abacus of course.</p><p>The beads on most modern abici are designed to last hundreds of years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are in the middle east you should consider native technologies.The abacus of course.The beads on most modern abici are designed to last hundreds of years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are in the middle east you should consider native technologies.The abacus of course.The beads on most modern abici are designed to last hundreds of years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642156</id>
	<title>SSD not spinny disk</title>
	<author>olddoc</author>
	<datestamp>1269680760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans. I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan wasn't needed much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans .
I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan was n't needed much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 2 things that fail on computers are hard disks and fans.
I wonder if a really low power cpu could run without sucking dust in if a cpu cooling fan wasn't needed much.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645928</id>
	<title>Use fanless computer designed for industrial autom</title>
	<author>stasike</author>
	<datestamp>1269767580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fanless computers for industrial automation, for example the ones made by Advantech can take LOTS of abuse. They work at coke battery plant, steel plant, sintering plant,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... places that can be at least as hostile as a desert.</p><p>A nice example is here:<br><a href="http://www.advantech.com/eAutomation/fanless-box-pcs/Default.aspx" title="advantech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.advantech.com/eAutomation/fanless-box-pcs/Default.aspx</a> [advantech.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fanless computers for industrial automation , for example the ones made by Advantech can take LOTS of abuse .
They work at coke battery plant , steel plant , sintering plant , ... places that can be at least as hostile as a desert.A nice example is here : http : //www.advantech.com/eAutomation/fanless-box-pcs/Default.aspx [ advantech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fanless computers for industrial automation, for example the ones made by Advantech can take LOTS of abuse.
They work at coke battery plant, steel plant, sintering plant, ... places that can be at least as hostile as a desert.A nice example is here:http://www.advantech.com/eAutomation/fanless-box-pcs/Default.aspx [advantech.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642940</id>
	<title>PIC computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269687000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is a small box with no air vents that is very low power.  You can get them cheap.  They are slow, but very low power, they will run off a 12v battery hooked to a solar panel.  http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a small box with no air vents that is very low power .
You can get them cheap .
They are slow , but very low power , they will run off a 12v battery hooked to a solar panel .
http : //www.amdboard.com/pic.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a small box with no air vents that is very low power.
You can get them cheap.
They are slow, but very low power, they will run off a 12v battery hooked to a solar panel.
http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31646226</id>
	<title>Desert tech workspace. Minimise dust in gear tips.</title>
	<author>qwerty8ytrewq</author>
	<datestamp>1269775020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suggest:
1. control the environment eg, seal the windows, fit a door closer.
2. get a hard airtight case for when you travel. pelican, kincrome, storm etc... this is when your lappy gets really dusty and hammered most. even cheap tupperware is better than a soft bag.
3. backup store your data elsewhere (2X swapping usb mass store or cloud) data on a laptop does not really exist unless it is backed up.
4. get component based. (eg a small brain, separate DVD, keyboard, memory store, display etc. not so portable, but you can replace bits easy.
5.  copy the locals. you live in a remote desert area, reliability is very very very expensive because all the tech is operating at the extremem edge of its design spec. heat, dust, etc...

I run a digital music and media studio in the central desert of Australia with about 15 different computers, emacs, mac minis, PC towers, macbook pro, PC laptops, Imacs, printers, scanners etc. (Wilurarra Creative). The red dust is fine and worse, conductive from Ferrous oxides. I have been here for 3 years. I fitted a hydraulic door closer the the front door to cut dust made a  HUGE difference. also, seal any draft leaks (duct tape, sealant, whatever). sounds dumb, but mopping the floor of your workspace may help keep dust down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest : 1. control the environment eg , seal the windows , fit a door closer .
2. get a hard airtight case for when you travel .
pelican , kincrome , storm etc... this is when your lappy gets really dusty and hammered most .
even cheap tupperware is better than a soft bag .
3. backup store your data elsewhere ( 2X swapping usb mass store or cloud ) data on a laptop does not really exist unless it is backed up .
4. get component based .
( eg a small brain , separate DVD , keyboard , memory store , display etc .
not so portable , but you can replace bits easy .
5. copy the locals .
you live in a remote desert area , reliability is very very very expensive because all the tech is operating at the extremem edge of its design spec .
heat , dust , etc.. . I run a digital music and media studio in the central desert of Australia with about 15 different computers , emacs , mac minis , PC towers , macbook pro , PC laptops , Imacs , printers , scanners etc .
( Wilurarra Creative ) .
The red dust is fine and worse , conductive from Ferrous oxides .
I have been here for 3 years .
I fitted a hydraulic door closer the the front door to cut dust made a HUGE difference .
also , seal any draft leaks ( duct tape , sealant , whatever ) .
sounds dumb , but mopping the floor of your workspace may help keep dust down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest:
1. control the environment eg, seal the windows, fit a door closer.
2. get a hard airtight case for when you travel.
pelican, kincrome, storm etc... this is when your lappy gets really dusty and hammered most.
even cheap tupperware is better than a soft bag.
3. backup store your data elsewhere (2X swapping usb mass store or cloud) data on a laptop does not really exist unless it is backed up.
4. get component based.
(eg a small brain, separate DVD, keyboard, memory store, display etc.
not so portable, but you can replace bits easy.
5.  copy the locals.
you live in a remote desert area, reliability is very very very expensive because all the tech is operating at the extremem edge of its design spec.
heat, dust, etc...

I run a digital music and media studio in the central desert of Australia with about 15 different computers, emacs, mac minis, PC towers, macbook pro, PC laptops, Imacs, printers, scanners etc.
(Wilurarra Creative).
The red dust is fine and worse, conductive from Ferrous oxides.
I have been here for 3 years.
I fitted a hydraulic door closer the the front door to cut dust made a  HUGE difference.
also, seal any draft leaks (duct tape, sealant, whatever).
sounds dumb, but mopping the floor of your workspace may help keep dust down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643938</id>
	<title>Re:SSD not spinny disk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269697440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. Who cares about sand if there are no mechanical components in your laptop? (Save the keyboard, of course)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Who cares about sand if there are no mechanical components in your laptop ?
( Save the keyboard , of course )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Who cares about sand if there are no mechanical components in your laptop?
(Save the keyboard, of course)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643092</id>
	<title>Check out the Panasonic Tuffbook line of products</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269688440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect you will find what you need somewhere in the <a href="http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp" title="panasonic.com">Panasonic Tuffbook</a> [panasonic.com] line of products.  The market to industrial, field maintenance (the people who drive up mountains in their trucks to get to microwave towers and things like that), even the military.  Then aren't always the latest technology because the are more focused on dependability and survivability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect you will find what you need somewhere in the Panasonic Tuffbook [ panasonic.com ] line of products .
The market to industrial , field maintenance ( the people who drive up mountains in their trucks to get to microwave towers and things like that ) , even the military .
Then are n't always the latest technology because the are more focused on dependability and survivability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect you will find what you need somewhere in the Panasonic Tuffbook [panasonic.com] line of products.
The market to industrial, field maintenance (the people who drive up mountains in their trucks to get to microwave towers and things like that), even the military.
Then aren't always the latest technology because the are more focused on dependability and survivability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643826</id>
	<title>Two words</title>
	<author>mato</author>
	<datestamp>1269696480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Panasonic Toughbook.</p><p>They have a range from "Business rugged" all the way through to various MILSPEC certified models. All made in Japan (really!) and built unlike most products today. <em>Made to last</em>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Panasonic Toughbook.They have a range from " Business rugged " all the way through to various MILSPEC certified models .
All made in Japan ( really !
) and built unlike most products today .
Made to last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Panasonic Toughbook.They have a range from "Business rugged" all the way through to various MILSPEC certified models.
All made in Japan (really!
) and built unlike most products today.
Made to last.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645280</id>
	<title>Husky.co.uk</title>
	<author>TooTechy</author>
	<datestamp>1269713940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want the absolute best then go military spec. Husky has been making water,disaster proof computers for years. Looks like they were bought.</p><p><a href="http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch\_II" title="gd-itronix.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch\_II</a> [gd-itronix.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want the absolute best then go military spec .
Husky has been making water,disaster proof computers for years .
Looks like they were bought.http : //www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm ? page = Products : Duo-Touch \ _II [ gd-itronix.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want the absolute best then go military spec.
Husky has been making water,disaster proof computers for years.
Looks like they were bought.http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch\_II [gd-itronix.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644472</id>
	<title>Re:Dell Outlet</title>
	<author>MrScary</author>
	<datestamp>1269703620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in a coal mine and they bought us the Dells.  They have been nothing but problems.  Mine alone has had a motherboard failure and a wireless card die.  The keyboard is a disaster.  Trying to blind type with it is almost impossible.  My computer shuts itself down regularly for overheating problems.  The Panasonic toughbooks blow them away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in a coal mine and they bought us the Dells .
They have been nothing but problems .
Mine alone has had a motherboard failure and a wireless card die .
The keyboard is a disaster .
Trying to blind type with it is almost impossible .
My computer shuts itself down regularly for overheating problems .
The Panasonic toughbooks blow them away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in a coal mine and they bought us the Dells.
They have been nothing but problems.
Mine alone has had a motherboard failure and a wireless card die.
The keyboard is a disaster.
Trying to blind type with it is almost impossible.
My computer shuts itself down regularly for overheating problems.
The Panasonic toughbooks blow them away.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645248</id>
	<title>Thought about a dirt bag?</title>
	<author>Hillview</author>
	<datestamp>1269713460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize it's not exactly what you asked for, but a Dirt Bag (<a href="http://dirtbag.biz/" title="dirtbag.biz" rel="nofollow">http://dirtbag.biz/</a> [dirtbag.biz]) may be useful in some cases.  They're made for desktops &amp; tower cases though, not laptops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize it 's not exactly what you asked for , but a Dirt Bag ( http : //dirtbag.biz/ [ dirtbag.biz ] ) may be useful in some cases .
They 're made for desktops &amp; tower cases though , not laptops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize it's not exactly what you asked for, but a Dirt Bag (http://dirtbag.biz/ [dirtbag.biz]) may be useful in some cases.
They're made for desktops &amp; tower cases though, not laptops.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642326</id>
	<title>X200 Tablet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269681900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just picked up a Lenovo X200 tablet - after about 2 months of research. Crushes all others. Built for business and usability. They just released a toughbook version too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just picked up a Lenovo X200 tablet - after about 2 months of research .
Crushes all others .
Built for business and usability .
They just released a toughbook version too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just picked up a Lenovo X200 tablet - after about 2 months of research.
Crushes all others.
Built for business and usability.
They just released a toughbook version too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644880</id>
	<title>I worked in Iraq for a couple of years, and...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269708720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used a cheap-ass Dell Vostro. I backed it up with Acronis and was ready to use the universal restore to any other cheap replacement but the thing never died. After dust storms I would blow out the process cooling fins and keyboard. No big deal, back your stuff up and use whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used a cheap-ass Dell Vostro .
I backed it up with Acronis and was ready to use the universal restore to any other cheap replacement but the thing never died .
After dust storms I would blow out the process cooling fins and keyboard .
No big deal , back your stuff up and use whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used a cheap-ass Dell Vostro.
I backed it up with Acronis and was ready to use the universal restore to any other cheap replacement but the thing never died.
After dust storms I would blow out the process cooling fins and keyboard.
No big deal, back your stuff up and use whatever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645578</id>
	<title>Built for truly rough conditions</title>
	<author>tonycole</author>
	<datestamp>1269718320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi you might consider buying one of the computers made by X2 Computers.   An English outfit who specialise in making laptops for Firemen, Police men and the military, so their computers are tough, and obviously dust proof too.

Having lived in Beijing, where the Gobi desert sent huge sand storm to us, I iknow what you mean about desert dust, it kills machines!

Anyhow, here is their URL.. have a look, and good luck.

www.x2mc.co.uk/website1</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi you might consider buying one of the computers made by X2 Computers .
An English outfit who specialise in making laptops for Firemen , Police men and the military , so their computers are tough , and obviously dust proof too .
Having lived in Beijing , where the Gobi desert sent huge sand storm to us , I iknow what you mean about desert dust , it kills machines !
Anyhow , here is their URL.. have a look , and good luck .
www.x2mc.co.uk/website1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi you might consider buying one of the computers made by X2 Computers.
An English outfit who specialise in making laptops for Firemen, Police men and the military, so their computers are tough, and obviously dust proof too.
Having lived in Beijing, where the Gobi desert sent huge sand storm to us, I iknow what you mean about desert dust, it kills machines!
Anyhow, here is their URL.. have a look, and good luck.
www.x2mc.co.uk/website1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643278</id>
	<title>Use Victoria's Secret brand</title>
	<author>mrflash818</author>
	<datestamp>1269689940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that way the end result will be sexy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that way the end result will be sexy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that way the end result will be sexy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642384</id>
	<title>Re:iPad is still better.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269682380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF. the guy is asking about a rugged laptop or tablet, not a tampon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF .
the guy is asking about a rugged laptop or tablet , not a tampon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF.
the guy is asking about a rugged laptop or tablet, not a tampon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642266</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643054</id>
	<title>AMREL Rocky</title>
	<author>JungleBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1269688140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use an AMREL Rocky notebook in my field work. Hop out of the helicopter and toss it on the rocks while you unload other gear. Rain? No problem. Dust? No problem, it's completely sealed. The bottom is actually a finned heat sink bonded to the CPU. Since it has no fans/vents, it is a bit under-clocked. But it's awesome.

<a href="http://www.amrel.com/rugged-computers/default.asp" title="amrel.com">http://www.amrel.com/rugged-computers/default.asp</a> [amrel.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use an AMREL Rocky notebook in my field work .
Hop out of the helicopter and toss it on the rocks while you unload other gear .
Rain ? No problem .
Dust ? No problem , it 's completely sealed .
The bottom is actually a finned heat sink bonded to the CPU .
Since it has no fans/vents , it is a bit under-clocked .
But it 's awesome .
http : //www.amrel.com/rugged-computers/default.asp [ amrel.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use an AMREL Rocky notebook in my field work.
Hop out of the helicopter and toss it on the rocks while you unload other gear.
Rain? No problem.
Dust? No problem, it's completely sealed.
The bottom is actually a finned heat sink bonded to the CPU.
Since it has no fans/vents, it is a bit under-clocked.
But it's awesome.
http://www.amrel.com/rugged-computers/default.asp [amrel.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642070</id>
	<title>Re:get a small netbook...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269723120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking along the same lines.  You have three basic issues in the desert:</p><p>1) exposed vents / heat.  it has to be able to stay cool and either have a filter on the vents or no vents</p><p>Doesn't the iPad lack vents?  Otherwise you almost need to screen/filter them in.  Could be tricky.  Someone may make a laptop case for a specific model or models of laptop that have a filter over the vent locations?  Camera could be a problem for the ipad. (you can get them removed, and apple can offer the service iirc)</p><p>2) exposed keyboard - you could use a keyboard cover, and use some rubber cement, doublestick tape whatever to seal around the edges.  keeping the trackpad button clean could be challenging.  Most laptops support trackpad clicking anyway so you may not need the button to stay working.</p><p>3) exposed ports - I don't think this is going to be an easy one without a ruggedized design.  Good packing tape over any ports you're not using for starters.</p><p>It doesn't look like the poster is concerned about a drop-proof machine, he's just trying to keep the sand and dust out of it, so most ruggedized designs are overkill for protection (I don't think "waterproof" is on his list!) and will be underpowered as a result due to cooling issues.</p><p>As far as "more usb ports" goes, get a hub.  Most net books are only going to have 1 or 2 usb ports anyway, and hubs are cheap to replace.  I'd expect usb ports to wear out quickly though in a sandy/gritty environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking along the same lines .
You have three basic issues in the desert : 1 ) exposed vents / heat .
it has to be able to stay cool and either have a filter on the vents or no ventsDoes n't the iPad lack vents ?
Otherwise you almost need to screen/filter them in .
Could be tricky .
Someone may make a laptop case for a specific model or models of laptop that have a filter over the vent locations ?
Camera could be a problem for the ipad .
( you can get them removed , and apple can offer the service iirc ) 2 ) exposed keyboard - you could use a keyboard cover , and use some rubber cement , doublestick tape whatever to seal around the edges .
keeping the trackpad button clean could be challenging .
Most laptops support trackpad clicking anyway so you may not need the button to stay working.3 ) exposed ports - I do n't think this is going to be an easy one without a ruggedized design .
Good packing tape over any ports you 're not using for starters.It does n't look like the poster is concerned about a drop-proof machine , he 's just trying to keep the sand and dust out of it , so most ruggedized designs are overkill for protection ( I do n't think " waterproof " is on his list !
) and will be underpowered as a result due to cooling issues.As far as " more usb ports " goes , get a hub .
Most net books are only going to have 1 or 2 usb ports anyway , and hubs are cheap to replace .
I 'd expect usb ports to wear out quickly though in a sandy/gritty environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking along the same lines.
You have three basic issues in the desert:1) exposed vents / heat.
it has to be able to stay cool and either have a filter on the vents or no ventsDoesn't the iPad lack vents?
Otherwise you almost need to screen/filter them in.
Could be tricky.
Someone may make a laptop case for a specific model or models of laptop that have a filter over the vent locations?
Camera could be a problem for the ipad.
(you can get them removed, and apple can offer the service iirc)2) exposed keyboard - you could use a keyboard cover, and use some rubber cement, doublestick tape whatever to seal around the edges.
keeping the trackpad button clean could be challenging.
Most laptops support trackpad clicking anyway so you may not need the button to stay working.3) exposed ports - I don't think this is going to be an easy one without a ruggedized design.
Good packing tape over any ports you're not using for starters.It doesn't look like the poster is concerned about a drop-proof machine, he's just trying to keep the sand and dust out of it, so most ruggedized designs are overkill for protection (I don't think "waterproof" is on his list!
) and will be underpowered as a result due to cooling issues.As far as "more usb ports" goes, get a hub.
Most net books are only going to have 1 or 2 usb ports anyway, and hubs are cheap to replace.
I'd expect usb ports to wear out quickly though in a sandy/gritty environment.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642006</id>
	<title>Panasonic Toughbook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269722640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've got units that are rated for such harsh environments.  They're not cheap, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've got units that are rated for such harsh environments .
They 're not cheap , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've got units that are rated for such harsh environments.
They're not cheap, though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642088</id>
	<title>Rugged Notebooks</title>
	<author>Island Admin</author>
	<datestamp>1269723240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A quick google came up with the following website: <a href="http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/" title="ruggednotebooks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/</a> [ruggednotebooks.com] <br>

They have notebooks with sealed keyboards, low reflectivity (especially greate for the desert conditions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) ).</htmltext>
<tokenext>A quick google came up with the following website : http : //www.ruggednotebooks.com/ [ ruggednotebooks.com ] They have notebooks with sealed keyboards , low reflectivity ( especially greate for the desert conditions : ) ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A quick google came up with the following website: http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/ [ruggednotebooks.com] 

They have notebooks with sealed keyboards, low reflectivity (especially greate for the desert conditions :) ).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645994</id>
	<title>Re:A fan-less computer</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
	<datestamp>1269769140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So for example most netbooks for example </p></div><p>Fail.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So for example most netbooks for example Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So for example most netbooks for example Fail.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642214</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642904</id>
	<title>Re:EliteBook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269686640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it blend?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it blend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it blend?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31641940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642404</id>
	<title>do what the locals do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269682620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just do it, they probably know best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just do it , they probably know best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just do it, they probably know best.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642154</id>
	<title>Motion Computing</title>
	<author>chocobanana</author>
	<datestamp>1269680760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Motion computing makes some fine tablets. The J3400 is particularly interesting and I believe it has earned some good reviews: <a href="http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/index.asp" title="motioncomputing.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/index.asp</a> [motioncomputing.com]

Couple it with a bluetooth wireless keyboard and its completely sealed design should work great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Motion computing makes some fine tablets .
The J3400 is particularly interesting and I believe it has earned some good reviews : http : //www.motioncomputing.com/products/index.asp [ motioncomputing.com ] Couple it with a bluetooth wireless keyboard and its completely sealed design should work great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Motion computing makes some fine tablets.
The J3400 is particularly interesting and I believe it has earned some good reviews: http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/index.asp [motioncomputing.com]

Couple it with a bluetooth wireless keyboard and its completely sealed design should work great.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31641942</id>
	<title>get a small netbook...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269722340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>then underclock it.</p><p>then laminate it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>then underclock it.then laminate it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then underclock it.then laminate it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642952</id>
	<title>General Dynamics</title>
	<author>Qyouth101</author>
	<datestamp>1269687120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would check out the General Dynamics GoBook or General Dynamics GD8000.

Pricey new, but reasonable used, fully ruggedized.

Though I bought a Lenovo T510, and its a very very durable machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would check out the General Dynamics GoBook or General Dynamics GD8000 .
Pricey new , but reasonable used , fully ruggedized .
Though I bought a Lenovo T510 , and its a very very durable machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would check out the General Dynamics GoBook or General Dynamics GD8000.
Pricey new, but reasonable used, fully ruggedized.
Though I bought a Lenovo T510, and its a very very durable machine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642234</id>
	<title>My Dell XPS survived a year in Kuwait &amp; Afghan</title>
	<author>Fallon</author>
	<datestamp>1269681360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got a now 3ish year old Dell XPS M1710 laptop that survived living in Afghanistan for a year, Kuwait for a year &amp; now a year or so back here in Colorado. Not light, but it did good as my gaming rig. I was in decent quality buildings for being down range, but pretty crappy &amp; unsealed by U.S. standards. I've gone through 3-4ish power bricks for it, but I blame crappy generator power for that. And when the power bricks died, the laptop would only operate in reduced power mode (throttle CPU &amp; not charge the battery), but would still run the laptop. Not bad for bouncing between 110v &amp; 220v power of very dubious quality.<br><br>Blow it out frequently with a can of air &amp; it should do pretty good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a now 3ish year old Dell XPS M1710 laptop that survived living in Afghanistan for a year , Kuwait for a year &amp; now a year or so back here in Colorado .
Not light , but it did good as my gaming rig .
I was in decent quality buildings for being down range , but pretty crappy &amp; unsealed by U.S. standards. I 've gone through 3-4ish power bricks for it , but I blame crappy generator power for that .
And when the power bricks died , the laptop would only operate in reduced power mode ( throttle CPU &amp; not charge the battery ) , but would still run the laptop .
Not bad for bouncing between 110v &amp; 220v power of very dubious quality.Blow it out frequently with a can of air &amp; it should do pretty good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a now 3ish year old Dell XPS M1710 laptop that survived living in Afghanistan for a year, Kuwait for a year &amp; now a year or so back here in Colorado.
Not light, but it did good as my gaming rig.
I was in decent quality buildings for being down range, but pretty crappy &amp; unsealed by U.S. standards. I've gone through 3-4ish power bricks for it, but I blame crappy generator power for that.
And when the power bricks died, the laptop would only operate in reduced power mode (throttle CPU &amp; not charge the battery), but would still run the laptop.
Not bad for bouncing between 110v &amp; 220v power of very dubious quality.Blow it out frequently with a can of air &amp; it should do pretty good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644066</id>
	<title>Old tuffbook + linux.</title>
	<author>noob22</author>
	<datestamp>1269698880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would recommend an getting an old Tuffbook off ebay for a few hundred bucks.  Assuming you don't want to do any gaming or  video editing it should be more than adequate for your needs.  I currently have a CF-50 running Xubuntu, and it serves all my mobile computing needs, you could probably pick up a much better one for under $500.  If your open to linux I would recommend any distro running Xfce for your OS for added speed.  If it ends up getting screwed with sand and the like, you won't be too far in the hole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would recommend an getting an old Tuffbook off ebay for a few hundred bucks .
Assuming you do n't want to do any gaming or video editing it should be more than adequate for your needs .
I currently have a CF-50 running Xubuntu , and it serves all my mobile computing needs , you could probably pick up a much better one for under $ 500 .
If your open to linux I would recommend any distro running Xfce for your OS for added speed .
If it ends up getting screwed with sand and the like , you wo n't be too far in the hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would recommend an getting an old Tuffbook off ebay for a few hundred bucks.
Assuming you don't want to do any gaming or  video editing it should be more than adequate for your needs.
I currently have a CF-50 running Xubuntu, and it serves all my mobile computing needs, you could probably pick up a much better one for under $500.
If your open to linux I would recommend any distro running Xfce for your OS for added speed.
If it ends up getting screwed with sand and the like, you won't be too far in the hole.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644524</id>
	<title>toughbook</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1269704340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Panasonic Toughbooks are pretty hard to beat(literally). Had a CF-29 for a long time now and droped, wet, etc.. no problem. CF-30 I think is current model.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Panasonic Toughbooks are pretty hard to beat ( literally ) .
Had a CF-29 for a long time now and droped , wet , etc.. no problem .
CF-30 I think is current model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Panasonic Toughbooks are pretty hard to beat(literally).
Had a CF-29 for a long time now and droped, wet, etc.. no problem.
CF-30 I think is current model.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642424</id>
	<title>Hermetically sealed cabinets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269682920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put everything in hermetically sealed cabinets except for SSD or flash-based netbooks which are only used to run remote desktop or VNC. If the netbook gets gunked, sell it on and get a new one. Since it never has any data on it, the netbooks will be fully interchangeable. If you need any local data, then use a thumb drive for that, not the netbook's flash. About 11 years ago I set up cabinets like this to deploy Internet dialup PoPs around rural Australia. The cabinet that we used was sold by a German manufacturer and was called a telecoms cabinet. The cooling is done with a heat exchanger so that the internal air circulates indepently and separately from the outside air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put everything in hermetically sealed cabinets except for SSD or flash-based netbooks which are only used to run remote desktop or VNC .
If the netbook gets gunked , sell it on and get a new one .
Since it never has any data on it , the netbooks will be fully interchangeable .
If you need any local data , then use a thumb drive for that , not the netbook 's flash .
About 11 years ago I set up cabinets like this to deploy Internet dialup PoPs around rural Australia .
The cabinet that we used was sold by a German manufacturer and was called a telecoms cabinet .
The cooling is done with a heat exchanger so that the internal air circulates indepently and separately from the outside air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put everything in hermetically sealed cabinets except for SSD or flash-based netbooks which are only used to run remote desktop or VNC.
If the netbook gets gunked, sell it on and get a new one.
Since it never has any data on it, the netbooks will be fully interchangeable.
If you need any local data, then use a thumb drive for that, not the netbook's flash.
About 11 years ago I set up cabinets like this to deploy Internet dialup PoPs around rural Australia.
The cabinet that we used was sold by a German manufacturer and was called a telecoms cabinet.
The cooling is done with a heat exchanger so that the internal air circulates indepently and separately from the outside air.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642214</id>
	<title>A fan-less computer</title>
	<author>Kozmik</author>
	<datestamp>1269681180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can spend a lot of money and buy a ruggedized laptop ( panasonic toughbooks are the best known examples and they have a range of models from semi ruggedized to fully ruggedized ).</p><p>However the feature you want from the ruggedized unit is the fact that fully ruggedized laptops are setup to be fanless ( the better designed ones ). Fanless means they don't need to suck in air, which would need to be filtered, which then becomes a point of failure.</p><p>So for example most netbooks for example run an atom cpu that just needs a heatsink and no fan. That then eliminates the point of failure of the fan sucking in dust. There are desktop choices that are the same, underclocked or low power cpu's that don't produce enough heat to need more then a heatsink so can run fanless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can spend a lot of money and buy a ruggedized laptop ( panasonic toughbooks are the best known examples and they have a range of models from semi ruggedized to fully ruggedized ) .However the feature you want from the ruggedized unit is the fact that fully ruggedized laptops are setup to be fanless ( the better designed ones ) .
Fanless means they do n't need to suck in air , which would need to be filtered , which then becomes a point of failure.So for example most netbooks for example run an atom cpu that just needs a heatsink and no fan .
That then eliminates the point of failure of the fan sucking in dust .
There are desktop choices that are the same , underclocked or low power cpu 's that do n't produce enough heat to need more then a heatsink so can run fanless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can spend a lot of money and buy a ruggedized laptop ( panasonic toughbooks are the best known examples and they have a range of models from semi ruggedized to fully ruggedized ).However the feature you want from the ruggedized unit is the fact that fully ruggedized laptops are setup to be fanless ( the better designed ones ).
Fanless means they don't need to suck in air, which would need to be filtered, which then becomes a point of failure.So for example most netbooks for example run an atom cpu that just needs a heatsink and no fan.
That then eliminates the point of failure of the fan sucking in dust.
There are desktop choices that are the same, underclocked or low power cpu's that don't produce enough heat to need more then a heatsink so can run fanless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642500</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269683460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some real rugged stuff, check out companies like: http://www.handheldgroup.com/regions/worldwide/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some real rugged stuff , check out companies like : http : //www.handheldgroup.com/regions/worldwide/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some real rugged stuff, check out companies like: http://www.handheldgroup.com/regions/worldwide/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643450</id>
	<title>Re:Apple</title>
	<author>duk242</author>
	<datestamp>1269692340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It took one really good dust storm to fill my poor MacBook up with Dust (in Australia).

Mind you, Apple repaired it under warranty because it was overheating, it's all good now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took one really good dust storm to fill my poor MacBook up with Dust ( in Australia ) .
Mind you , Apple repaired it under warranty because it was overheating , it 's all good now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took one really good dust storm to fill my poor MacBook up with Dust (in Australia).
Mind you, Apple repaired it under warranty because it was overheating, it's all good now.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642126</id>
	<title>Dell Outlet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269680400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dell XFRs start around $1,600 from the Outlet, with Core 2 Duos, no webcam, and designed to operate in the conditions you describe. I don't think they're quite as rugged as the Panasonic Toughbooks, but you can just buy two XFRs for the same price and switch the hard drives out if one breaks.</p><p><a href="http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&amp;cs=28&amp;l=en&amp;s=dfb" title="dell.com">http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&amp;cs=28&amp;l=en&amp;s=dfb</a> [dell.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dell XFRs start around $ 1,600 from the Outlet , with Core 2 Duos , no webcam , and designed to operate in the conditions you describe .
I do n't think they 're quite as rugged as the Panasonic Toughbooks , but you can just buy two XFRs for the same price and switch the hard drives out if one breaks.http : //outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch ? c = us&amp;cs = 28&amp;l = en&amp;s = dfb [ dell.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dell XFRs start around $1,600 from the Outlet, with Core 2 Duos, no webcam, and designed to operate in the conditions you describe.
I don't think they're quite as rugged as the Panasonic Toughbooks, but you can just buy two XFRs for the same price and switch the hard drives out if one breaks.http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&amp;cs=28&amp;l=en&amp;s=dfb [dell.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643818</id>
	<title>Don't want to migrate data?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269696360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use vmware or similar to install the OS you use over the OS that boots.</p><p>That way, when the laptop dies, all you need to copy off the harddrive is the virtual OS dir, and don't have to worry about finding drivers for your new laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use vmware or similar to install the OS you use over the OS that boots.That way , when the laptop dies , all you need to copy off the harddrive is the virtual OS dir , and do n't have to worry about finding drivers for your new laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use vmware or similar to install the OS you use over the OS that boots.That way, when the laptop dies, all you need to copy off the harddrive is the virtual OS dir, and don't have to worry about finding drivers for your new laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642194</id>
	<title>panasonic toughbooks</title>
	<author>octabob</author>
	<datestamp>1269681060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey

I've never experienced such harsh conditions like the ones described but first thing that came to mind while reading your question was the panasonic toughbook series.
I've heared and seen some pretty amazing things being done to those toughbooks and they stood tall...

It's surely best to do some research but i would surely take those toughbooks in consideration...
As with most things it's a matter of choice, you could go for an easy and affordable to replace solution (netbook,...) but since rebuilding backups and stuff every 12 months would like to be avoided, going with a rugged notebook would be worth the thought...

<a href="http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp" title="panasonic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp</a> [panasonic.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey I 've never experienced such harsh conditions like the ones described but first thing that came to mind while reading your question was the panasonic toughbook series .
I 've heared and seen some pretty amazing things being done to those toughbooks and they stood tall.. . It 's surely best to do some research but i would surely take those toughbooks in consideration.. . As with most things it 's a matter of choice , you could go for an easy and affordable to replace solution ( netbook,... ) but since rebuilding backups and stuff every 12 months would like to be avoided , going with a rugged notebook would be worth the thought.. . http : //www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp [ panasonic.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey

I've never experienced such harsh conditions like the ones described but first thing that came to mind while reading your question was the panasonic toughbook series.
I've heared and seen some pretty amazing things being done to those toughbooks and they stood tall...

It's surely best to do some research but i would surely take those toughbooks in consideration...
As with most things it's a matter of choice, you could go for an easy and affordable to replace solution (netbook,...) but since rebuilding backups and stuff every 12 months would like to be avoided, going with a rugged notebook would be worth the thought...

http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp [panasonic.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642216</id>
	<title>server and netbook</title>
	<author>bugs2squash</author>
	<datestamp>1269681180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Put all of your files on a server on the internet that you can securely connect to, and get a cheap netbook to work on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Put all of your files on a server on the internet that you can securely connect to , and get a cheap netbook to work on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put all of your files on a server on the internet that you can securely connect to, and get a cheap netbook to work on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642960</id>
	<title>Ask The Folks Who Are Familiar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269687180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/talibanlines/view/?utm\_campaign=viewpage&amp;utm\_medium=grid&amp;utm\_source=grid" title="pbs.org" rel="nofollow">desert</a> [pbs.org].</p><p>A search of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Amazon</a> [amazon.com] might help.</p><p>Cheers,<br>Yours In Astrakhan,<br>K. Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with the desert [ pbs.org ] .A search of Amazon [ amazon.com ] might help.Cheers,Yours In Astrakhan,K .
Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with the desert [pbs.org].A search of Amazon [amazon.com] might help.Cheers,Yours In Astrakhan,K.
Trout</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642198</id>
	<title>OLPC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269681060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>link</p><p>I heard they're really good in rough environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>linkI heard they 're really good in rough environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>linkI heard they're really good in rough environment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31684426</id>
	<title>Re:EliteBook</title>
	<author>junjie\_1024</author>
	<datestamp>1270028040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
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<tokenext>Women who love fashion must love Chanel handbags [ mychanelmall.com ] .
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If you love cute bags , you can choose Chanle bags , too .
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<sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31649780</id>
	<title>Ruggedized fieldbook maybe?</title>
	<author>AlchemyX</author>
	<datestamp>1269809940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would definitely recommend Logic Instruments Fieldbook - extensive review  here http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3\_slates\_logic\_instrument\_fieldbook.html<br>or one of Panasonic Toughbooks. Friend uses one on a boat and it works flawlessly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would definitely recommend Logic Instruments Fieldbook - extensive review here http : //www.ruggedpcreview.com/3 \ _slates \ _logic \ _instrument \ _fieldbook.htmlor one of Panasonic Toughbooks .
Friend uses one on a boat and it works flawlessly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would definitely recommend Logic Instruments Fieldbook - extensive review  here http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3\_slates\_logic\_instrument\_fieldbook.htmlor one of Panasonic Toughbooks.
Friend uses one on a boat and it works flawlessly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31647016</id>
	<title>Keyboard covers</title>
	<author>pev</author>
	<datestamp>1269789120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been quite a long time since modern laptops used cooling systems that suck in air through vents and blowing the warmed air out through the keyboard in-between the keys... Is it any surprise that all the dust being sucked in was being stopped by the keyboard cover? I would also be unsurprised if this was causing problems for its cooling and probably reducing the life of the laptop...</p><p>I'd suggest that a better approach (if feasible) would be to use a netbook that doesn't generate so much heat and hence rely on internal airflow to cool - and hence sucking in dust at the same time...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been quite a long time since modern laptops used cooling systems that suck in air through vents and blowing the warmed air out through the keyboard in-between the keys... Is it any surprise that all the dust being sucked in was being stopped by the keyboard cover ?
I would also be unsurprised if this was causing problems for its cooling and probably reducing the life of the laptop...I 'd suggest that a better approach ( if feasible ) would be to use a netbook that does n't generate so much heat and hence rely on internal airflow to cool - and hence sucking in dust at the same time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been quite a long time since modern laptops used cooling systems that suck in air through vents and blowing the warmed air out through the keyboard in-between the keys... Is it any surprise that all the dust being sucked in was being stopped by the keyboard cover?
I would also be unsurprised if this was causing problems for its cooling and probably reducing the life of the laptop...I'd suggest that a better approach (if feasible) would be to use a netbook that doesn't generate so much heat and hence rely on internal airflow to cool - and hence sucking in dust at the same time...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31667062</id>
	<title>Re:Use a disposable laptop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269889980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Build yourself a server with tons of storage and immerse it in a fish tank full of mineral oil. As long as you keep the tank well protected this should work a charm for a good 5 years or until you need a storage upgrade</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Build yourself a server with tons of storage and immerse it in a fish tank full of mineral oil .
As long as you keep the tank well protected this should work a charm for a good 5 years or until you need a storage upgrade</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Build yourself a server with tons of storage and immerse it in a fish tank full of mineral oil.
As long as you keep the tank well protected this should work a charm for a good 5 years or until you need a storage upgrade</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643372</id>
	<title>A simple solution</title>
	<author>DryGrian</author>
	<datestamp>1269691500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seal your tablet in a vacuum-sealer, like the kind designed for food.

I've been pondering ways to reinforce my netbook against impacts. I'm reluctant to just fabricate a steel case for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seal your tablet in a vacuum-sealer , like the kind designed for food .
I 've been pondering ways to reinforce my netbook against impacts .
I 'm reluctant to just fabricate a steel case for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seal your tablet in a vacuum-sealer, like the kind designed for food.
I've been pondering ways to reinforce my netbook against impacts.
I'm reluctant to just fabricate a steel case for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31669956</id>
	<title>Re:OLPC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note: The XO touchpads tend to flake out, and some of the lower keys on the keyboard can be problematic as well.  This may be fixed in the later models, however.</p><p>If you decide to go the XO route, you might want to keep a USB mouse on hand, and maybe a USB keyboard, too.  (They might be more comfortable for regular work on the device, as well.)</p><p><a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO\_Troubleshooting\_Keyboard" title="laptop.org" rel="nofollow">Troubleshooting XO keyboards</a> [laptop.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note : The XO touchpads tend to flake out , and some of the lower keys on the keyboard can be problematic as well .
This may be fixed in the later models , however.If you decide to go the XO route , you might want to keep a USB mouse on hand , and maybe a USB keyboard , too .
( They might be more comfortable for regular work on the device , as well .
) Troubleshooting XO keyboards [ laptop.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note: The XO touchpads tend to flake out, and some of the lower keys on the keyboard can be problematic as well.
This may be fixed in the later models, however.If you decide to go the XO route, you might want to keep a USB mouse on hand, and maybe a USB keyboard, too.
(They might be more comfortable for regular work on the device, as well.
)Troubleshooting XO keyboards [laptop.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645066</id>
	<title>Macbooks</title>
	<author>BlackHawk-666</author>
	<datestamp>1269710700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd go and grab one or more MacBooks. Rugedised gear makes Apple pricing look dead cheap and the mac has a couple of other features which will be helpful, depending on how long you are out there.</p><p>1. You can easily port your data, setting and user profile to another Mac, even onto the net. This gets you back in the field quickly if anything goes wrong.<br>2. Macs are designed to have few holes or obtrusions.<br>3. They are relatively easy to take apart and when you have the keyboard area is dead easy to clean as is the motherboard.</p><p>So, grab a Mac or two and some duct tape and Chux cloths. Duct tape up all the ports you're not using and across the front slot of the DVD burner. Fold the Chux cloth over a few times and tape it down over the vents. Close the laptop up whenever you're not typing something. Wipe the keyboard clean every so often with a damp cloth - or hit it with a can of compressed air.</p><p>When the Mac is too choked up to keep working well, transport the data to the other Mac and you get to keep working seemlessly. A sync every night is a sensible option. The chocked up Mac gets opened up and carefully cleaned during the night in a clean environment, put back together and ready to go out again as needed.</p><p>RAIM - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Macs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd go and grab one or more MacBooks .
Rugedised gear makes Apple pricing look dead cheap and the mac has a couple of other features which will be helpful , depending on how long you are out there.1 .
You can easily port your data , setting and user profile to another Mac , even onto the net .
This gets you back in the field quickly if anything goes wrong.2 .
Macs are designed to have few holes or obtrusions.3 .
They are relatively easy to take apart and when you have the keyboard area is dead easy to clean as is the motherboard.So , grab a Mac or two and some duct tape and Chux cloths .
Duct tape up all the ports you 're not using and across the front slot of the DVD burner .
Fold the Chux cloth over a few times and tape it down over the vents .
Close the laptop up whenever you 're not typing something .
Wipe the keyboard clean every so often with a damp cloth - or hit it with a can of compressed air.When the Mac is too choked up to keep working well , transport the data to the other Mac and you get to keep working seemlessly .
A sync every night is a sensible option .
The chocked up Mac gets opened up and carefully cleaned during the night in a clean environment , put back together and ready to go out again as needed.RAIM - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Macs ; p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd go and grab one or more MacBooks.
Rugedised gear makes Apple pricing look dead cheap and the mac has a couple of other features which will be helpful, depending on how long you are out there.1.
You can easily port your data, setting and user profile to another Mac, even onto the net.
This gets you back in the field quickly if anything goes wrong.2.
Macs are designed to have few holes or obtrusions.3.
They are relatively easy to take apart and when you have the keyboard area is dead easy to clean as is the motherboard.So, grab a Mac or two and some duct tape and Chux cloths.
Duct tape up all the ports you're not using and across the front slot of the DVD burner.
Fold the Chux cloth over a few times and tape it down over the vents.
Close the laptop up whenever you're not typing something.
Wipe the keyboard clean every so often with a damp cloth - or hit it with a can of compressed air.When the Mac is too choked up to keep working well, transport the data to the other Mac and you get to keep working seemlessly.
A sync every night is a sensible option.
The chocked up Mac gets opened up and carefully cleaned during the night in a clean environment, put back together and ready to go out again as needed.RAIM - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Macs ;p</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643648</id>
	<title>Go native.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269694320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The natives do such-and-such, but I don't want to." This makes you a fucking moron.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The natives do such-and-such , but I do n't want to .
" This makes you a fucking moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The natives do such-and-such, but I don't want to.
" This makes you a fucking moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642394</id>
	<title>Itronix Duo-Touch II</title>
	<author>Tisha\_AH</author>
	<datestamp>1269682500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I carried a Itronix Duo-Touch II for a few months during field-work. It is a very robust tablet and is pretty much everything-proof (other than driving over it with a truck).</p><p><a href="http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch\_II" title="gd-itronix.com">http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch\_II</a> [gd-itronix.com]</p><p>It is pricey as Itronix was purchased by General Dynamics but is mil rated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I carried a Itronix Duo-Touch II for a few months during field-work .
It is a very robust tablet and is pretty much everything-proof ( other than driving over it with a truck ) .http : //www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm ? page = Products : Duo-Touch \ _II [ gd-itronix.com ] It is pricey as Itronix was purchased by General Dynamics but is mil rated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I carried a Itronix Duo-Touch II for a few months during field-work.
It is a very robust tablet and is pretty much everything-proof (other than driving over it with a truck).http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:Duo-Touch\_II [gd-itronix.com]It is pricey as Itronix was purchased by General Dynamics but is mil rated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642080</id>
	<title>get canned air and warranty</title>
	<author>InsertWittyNameHere</author>
	<datestamp>1269723240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work in the construction industry and instruct our guys that work on site to blast the openings of their laptops/computers with canned air at least once a month.
<br>
<br>
I get them "spill proof" keyboards as those are sealed and keep things from getting deep in the keyboard. Just turn it upside down and shake it. Plus you can wash them if you really want them clean.
<br>
<br>
I find that there isn't much more you can do. The sand/dust causes extra wear and tear and the equipment will have to be replaced more often. I buy the "full coverage" warranty for equipment that will primarily be used on construction sites and it pays for itself when you constantly have to replace burnt out PSUs, video cards and CPUs that overheat and die due to clogged fans..</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the construction industry and instruct our guys that work on site to blast the openings of their laptops/computers with canned air at least once a month .
I get them " spill proof " keyboards as those are sealed and keep things from getting deep in the keyboard .
Just turn it upside down and shake it .
Plus you can wash them if you really want them clean .
I find that there is n't much more you can do .
The sand/dust causes extra wear and tear and the equipment will have to be replaced more often .
I buy the " full coverage " warranty for equipment that will primarily be used on construction sites and it pays for itself when you constantly have to replace burnt out PSUs , video cards and CPUs that overheat and die due to clogged fans. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the construction industry and instruct our guys that work on site to blast the openings of their laptops/computers with canned air at least once a month.
I get them "spill proof" keyboards as those are sealed and keep things from getting deep in the keyboard.
Just turn it upside down and shake it.
Plus you can wash them if you really want them clean.
I find that there isn't much more you can do.
The sand/dust causes extra wear and tear and the equipment will have to be replaced more often.
I buy the "full coverage" warranty for equipment that will primarily be used on construction sites and it pays for itself when you constantly have to replace burnt out PSUs, video cards and CPUs that overheat and die due to clogged fans..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31646624</id>
	<title>Re:SSD not spinny disk</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1269783360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aren't HDDs sealed shut and isolated? dust won't matter in that case</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't HDDs sealed shut and isolated ?
dust wo n't matter in that case</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't HDDs sealed shut and isolated?
dust won't matter in that case</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645496</id>
	<title>I live in dusty farm land - with brown dust colour</title>
	<author>dogzdik</author>
	<datestamp>1269716700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Several points..
<p>-</p><p>
Dust tends to fall down and blow across, not up into.
</p><p>-</p><p>
(strong winds don't count)
</p><p>-</p><p>
Keep your laptop in a plastic garbage bag at all times - except when you are actually using it.
</p><p>-</p><p>
It's something like the average person only uses their PC about 6 hours a day, so by wrapping it in plastic - that is 18 hours less for the dust to get into it.
</p><p>-</p><p>
OR
</p><p>-</p><p>
Make up an inverted glass fish tank, as that lets you leave it running and the glass dissipates the heat.
</p><p>-</p><p>
And you can do things like use blue tack (soft adhesive) to retain a film of cling wrap across the keyboard and down the sides - just don't block up the air ports.
</p><p>-</p><p>
Ummmmm add a centripital air filter to your work environment - like what 4WD vehicles have, before the paper element filter.
</p><p>-</p><p>
It won't filter out 100\% of all airborn dust, but it will remove about 95\%.
</p><p>-</p><p>
Get a water "air cooling" tower and suck your cool cleaned and humidified air from that, into your office.</p><p>-</p><p>

Most of the really best ideas fall into 3 categories; </p><p>-</p><p> 1. Reduce the amount of contaminants going into your environment and </p><p>-</p><p> 2. Shield the components in that environment - to the actual time they are being used and </p><p>-</p><p> 3. Fit common sense shielding where most of the dust is likely to go, most of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several points. . - Dust tends to fall down and blow across , not up into .
- ( strong winds do n't count ) - Keep your laptop in a plastic garbage bag at all times - except when you are actually using it .
- It 's something like the average person only uses their PC about 6 hours a day , so by wrapping it in plastic - that is 18 hours less for the dust to get into it .
- OR - Make up an inverted glass fish tank , as that lets you leave it running and the glass dissipates the heat .
- And you can do things like use blue tack ( soft adhesive ) to retain a film of cling wrap across the keyboard and down the sides - just do n't block up the air ports .
- Ummmmm add a centripital air filter to your work environment - like what 4WD vehicles have , before the paper element filter .
- It wo n't filter out 100 \ % of all airborn dust , but it will remove about 95 \ % .
- Get a water " air cooling " tower and suck your cool cleaned and humidified air from that , into your office.- Most of the really best ideas fall into 3 categories ; - 1 .
Reduce the amount of contaminants going into your environment and - 2 .
Shield the components in that environment - to the actual time they are being used and - 3 .
Fit common sense shielding where most of the dust is likely to go , most of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several points..
-
Dust tends to fall down and blow across, not up into.
-
(strong winds don't count)
-
Keep your laptop in a plastic garbage bag at all times - except when you are actually using it.
-
It's something like the average person only uses their PC about 6 hours a day, so by wrapping it in plastic - that is 18 hours less for the dust to get into it.
-
OR
-
Make up an inverted glass fish tank, as that lets you leave it running and the glass dissipates the heat.
-
And you can do things like use blue tack (soft adhesive) to retain a film of cling wrap across the keyboard and down the sides - just don't block up the air ports.
-
Ummmmm add a centripital air filter to your work environment - like what 4WD vehicles have, before the paper element filter.
-
It won't filter out 100\% of all airborn dust, but it will remove about 95\%.
-
Get a water "air cooling" tower and suck your cool cleaned and humidified air from that, into your office.-

Most of the really best ideas fall into 3 categories; - 1.
Reduce the amount of contaminants going into your environment and - 2.
Shield the components in that environment - to the actual time they are being used and - 3.
Fit common sense shielding where most of the dust is likely to go, most of the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642202</id>
	<title>Oddball Suggestion...</title>
	<author>jjoelc</author>
	<datestamp>1269681120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stretch a ladies nylon stocking over the whole thing... This will take some experimenting to figure out the exact best method (maybe one over the base, one over the screen...), but has the advantages of:<br>-being extremely cheap<br>-easily removed/replaced<br>-thin/flexible/transparent enough to cover the keyboard, and even the screen with<br>-should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flow<br>-will also cut down on glare and reflectivity</p><p>For $1 a try, I figure it is worth mentioning...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stretch a ladies nylon stocking over the whole thing... This will take some experimenting to figure out the exact best method ( maybe one over the base , one over the screen... ) , but has the advantages of : -being extremely cheap-easily removed/replaced-thin/flexible/transparent enough to cover the keyboard , and even the screen with-should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flow-will also cut down on glare and reflectivityFor $ 1 a try , I figure it is worth mentioning.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stretch a ladies nylon stocking over the whole thing... This will take some experimenting to figure out the exact best method (maybe one over the base, one over the screen...), but has the advantages of:-being extremely cheap-easily removed/replaced-thin/flexible/transparent enough to cover the keyboard, and even the screen with-should filter out the worst offender category of sand/dust without seriously impeding air flow-will also cut down on glare and reflectivityFor $1 a try, I figure it is worth mentioning...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642862</id>
	<title>Roda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269686340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Roda with RK886EX (Rocky III+). Got free BIOS and stuff. Expensive Germany stuff but funny. No I do not work there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Roda with RK886EX ( Rocky III + ) .
Got free BIOS and stuff .
Expensive Germany stuff but funny .
No I do not work there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roda with RK886EX (Rocky III+).
Got free BIOS and stuff.
Expensive Germany stuff but funny.
No I do not work there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31641970</id>
	<title>Good Luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269722460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depending on the exact timeframe you're looking at for the standard replacement cycle there vs. your total expected residency, you may be better off financially just going the replacement route and mitigating damage by keeping your N810 sealed in a Ziploc bag or something.  Seriously, the last time I looked at prices for truly "ruggedized" equipment, I was floored and my wallet felt violated just by reading the prices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depending on the exact timeframe you 're looking at for the standard replacement cycle there vs. your total expected residency , you may be better off financially just going the replacement route and mitigating damage by keeping your N810 sealed in a Ziploc bag or something .
Seriously , the last time I looked at prices for truly " ruggedized " equipment , I was floored and my wallet felt violated just by reading the prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depending on the exact timeframe you're looking at for the standard replacement cycle there vs. your total expected residency, you may be better off financially just going the replacement route and mitigating damage by keeping your N810 sealed in a Ziploc bag or something.
Seriously, the last time I looked at prices for truly "ruggedized" equipment, I was floored and my wallet felt violated just by reading the prices.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31646876</id>
	<title>Re:Oddball Suggestion...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269787500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.</p></div></blockquote><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic<br>It's not a rule.  The two largest deserts on our planet are very cold.</p><p>Posting anonymously because this post is stupid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Deserts are ( as a rule ) quite hot.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarcticahttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcticIt 's not a rule .
The two largest deserts on our planet are very cold.Posting anonymously because this post is stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deserts are (as a rule) quite hot.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarcticahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcticIt's not a rule.
The two largest deserts on our planet are very cold.Posting anonymously because this post is stupid.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31656496</id>
	<title>Re:Good Luck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269874800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Op is supporting / working for sand niggers, they have much deeper pockets than us. Op clearly is ok working for large amounts of blood money funded by oil, I'm sure he can by a ruggedized setup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Op is supporting / working for sand niggers , they have much deeper pockets than us .
Op clearly is ok working for large amounts of blood money funded by oil , I 'm sure he can by a ruggedized setup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Op is supporting / working for sand niggers, they have much deeper pockets than us.
Op clearly is ok working for large amounts of blood money funded by oil, I'm sure he can by a ruggedized setup.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31641970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645990</id>
	<title>Not worth it</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1269769020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Panasonic make some very nice tough laptops, there are also a few other makers around that claim they make tough laptops.</p><p>However my advice is don't bother. The cost of a low end panasonic toughbook is over 6 times the cost of a good spec thinkpad. The toughbook is unlikely to last 6 times longer and even if it does it's going to be obsolete by that time. Unless your life depends on that one laptop working right now just buy good quality ( not acer ) decent spec laptops and replace either the whole laptop or parts as needed.</p><p>You need good and tested backups in any case as even the best laptop could get stolen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Panasonic make some very nice tough laptops , there are also a few other makers around that claim they make tough laptops.However my advice is do n't bother .
The cost of a low end panasonic toughbook is over 6 times the cost of a good spec thinkpad .
The toughbook is unlikely to last 6 times longer and even if it does it 's going to be obsolete by that time .
Unless your life depends on that one laptop working right now just buy good quality ( not acer ) decent spec laptops and replace either the whole laptop or parts as needed.You need good and tested backups in any case as even the best laptop could get stolen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Panasonic make some very nice tough laptops, there are also a few other makers around that claim they make tough laptops.However my advice is don't bother.
The cost of a low end panasonic toughbook is over 6 times the cost of a good spec thinkpad.
The toughbook is unlikely to last 6 times longer and even if it does it's going to be obsolete by that time.
Unless your life depends on that one laptop working right now just buy good quality ( not acer ) decent spec laptops and replace either the whole laptop or parts as needed.You need good and tested backups in any case as even the best laptop could get stolen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31652788</id>
	<title>Pantyhose</title>
	<author>xnok</author>
	<datestamp>1269792060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A cheap and quick solution to keep the dust out would be to use a pantyhose on the keyboard -- does not reduce usability much and  keeps most of the dust / sand particles out.

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<tokenext>A cheap and quick solution to keep the dust out would be to use a pantyhose on the keyboard -- does not reduce usability much and keeps most of the dust / sand particles out .
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<sentencetext>A cheap and quick solution to keep the dust out would be to use a pantyhose on the keyboard -- does not reduce usability much and  keeps most of the dust / sand particles out.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644072</id>
	<title>Re:SSD not spinny disk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269698940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amusing to see this discussion on Slashdot when colleagues and I were testing a Dell XFR laptop just last week, suggested to us as a cheaper alternative than the Panasonic Toughbook's.</p><p>Well, I give it to you: http://twitter.com/sraveau/status/10663156737 (If you're considering buying a rugged laptop, DO NOT BUY ONE FROM DELL: seriously, theirs are a JOKE!)</p><p>I rarely ever tweet, but this I felt like I had to tell everybody. They market it as something special ops people would use ( http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/news/downloads/RuggedizedDellXFRwithSSD\_LG.jpg ) but the pointing stick cap comes off way too easily, it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD and there's nothing you can do against that even though you bought the laptop with a security cable lock... sorry, I meant: it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD *if* the two pieces of duct tapes put together that Dell wants you to pull in order to get the drive out haven't torn off yet (took us 3 times), after that you will need pliers!</p><p>Oh, and... well, you probably won't believe me but: that laptop did not even last a week (it never gets past the BIOS progress bar), even though we tried to be gentle with the testing, for example dropping it from 30cm high instead of 1m as Dell advertises.</p><p>So, to me it looks like Dell thought they could compete in the rugged laptop market when the SSDs came out: the XFR series look just like they took a Latitude, put an SSD inside and rubber bands outside, nothing more. That's why they're half as cheap as the other rugged laptops.</p><p>In our case, we'll stick with the Panasonic's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amusing to see this discussion on Slashdot when colleagues and I were testing a Dell XFR laptop just last week , suggested to us as a cheaper alternative than the Panasonic Toughbook 's.Well , I give it to you : http : //twitter.com/sraveau/status/10663156737 ( If you 're considering buying a rugged laptop , DO NOT BUY ONE FROM DELL : seriously , theirs are a JOKE !
) I rarely ever tweet , but this I felt like I had to tell everybody .
They market it as something special ops people would use ( http : //www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/news/downloads/RuggedizedDellXFRwithSSD \ _LG.jpg ) but the pointing stick cap comes off way too easily , it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD and there 's nothing you can do against that even though you bought the laptop with a security cable lock... sorry , I meant : it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD * if * the two pieces of duct tapes put together that Dell wants you to pull in order to get the drive out have n't torn off yet ( took us 3 times ) , after that you will need pliers ! Oh , and... well , you probably wo n't believe me but : that laptop did not even last a week ( it never gets past the BIOS progress bar ) , even though we tried to be gentle with the testing , for example dropping it from 30cm high instead of 1m as Dell advertises.So , to me it looks like Dell thought they could compete in the rugged laptop market when the SSDs came out : the XFR series look just like they took a Latitude , put an SSD inside and rubber bands outside , nothing more .
That 's why they 're half as cheap as the other rugged laptops.In our case , we 'll stick with the Panasonic 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amusing to see this discussion on Slashdot when colleagues and I were testing a Dell XFR laptop just last week, suggested to us as a cheaper alternative than the Panasonic Toughbook's.Well, I give it to you: http://twitter.com/sraveau/status/10663156737 (If you're considering buying a rugged laptop, DO NOT BUY ONE FROM DELL: seriously, theirs are a JOKE!
)I rarely ever tweet, but this I felt like I had to tell everybody.
They market it as something special ops people would use ( http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/news/downloads/RuggedizedDellXFRwithSSD\_LG.jpg ) but the pointing stick cap comes off way too easily, it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD and there's nothing you can do against that even though you bought the laptop with a security cable lock... sorry, I meant: it takes a blink of an eye to eject the SSD *if* the two pieces of duct tapes put together that Dell wants you to pull in order to get the drive out haven't torn off yet (took us 3 times), after that you will need pliers!Oh, and... well, you probably won't believe me but: that laptop did not even last a week (it never gets past the BIOS progress bar), even though we tried to be gentle with the testing, for example dropping it from 30cm high instead of 1m as Dell advertises.So, to me it looks like Dell thought they could compete in the rugged laptop market when the SSDs came out: the XFR series look just like they took a Latitude, put an SSD inside and rubber bands outside, nothing more.
That's why they're half as cheap as the other rugged laptops.In our case, we'll stick with the Panasonic's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643390</id>
	<title>Re:Oddball Suggestion...</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1269691740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be pedantic, Antarctica is a desert and it's quite cold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be pedantic , Antarctica is a desert and it 's quite cold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be pedantic, Antarctica is a desert and it's quite cold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642172</id>
	<title>Buy two</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269680880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My suggestion would be to buy more than one of whatever you like that meets your standards, and then swap drives as they die. When it comes to sand and dust there isn't much that will stand up to it for more than a year without being outrageously expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My suggestion would be to buy more than one of whatever you like that meets your standards , and then swap drives as they die .
When it comes to sand and dust there is n't much that will stand up to it for more than a year without being outrageously expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My suggestion would be to buy more than one of whatever you like that meets your standards, and then swap drives as they die.
When it comes to sand and dust there isn't much that will stand up to it for more than a year without being outrageously expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642268</id>
	<title>Re:dust filter bags</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1269681540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In that case just use an external keyboard, which are cheap enough to throw away.</p><p>There are two reasons for a non-local to be in the desert. One is because you are deployed and making TDY money, and the other is you are a contractor and making phat bank. Either way, two decent notebooks and external backup are affordable.</p><p>I'd get a couple of refurb Thinkpads and load the second to keep as an updated spare, and ship each in a Stormcase or Hardigg or similar tough container where they would live when I wasn't using them. Given that there is nothing to do off-duty in the Giant Hostile Ashtray that is most of the Middle East, I'd be looking forward to keeping any machines I had ready for immediate use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In that case just use an external keyboard , which are cheap enough to throw away.There are two reasons for a non-local to be in the desert .
One is because you are deployed and making TDY money , and the other is you are a contractor and making phat bank .
Either way , two decent notebooks and external backup are affordable.I 'd get a couple of refurb Thinkpads and load the second to keep as an updated spare , and ship each in a Stormcase or Hardigg or similar tough container where they would live when I was n't using them .
Given that there is nothing to do off-duty in the Giant Hostile Ashtray that is most of the Middle East , I 'd be looking forward to keeping any machines I had ready for immediate use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that case just use an external keyboard, which are cheap enough to throw away.There are two reasons for a non-local to be in the desert.
One is because you are deployed and making TDY money, and the other is you are a contractor and making phat bank.
Either way, two decent notebooks and external backup are affordable.I'd get a couple of refurb Thinkpads and load the second to keep as an updated spare, and ship each in a Stormcase or Hardigg or similar tough container where they would live when I wasn't using them.
Given that there is nothing to do off-duty in the Giant Hostile Ashtray that is most of the Middle East, I'd be looking forward to keeping any machines I had ready for immediate use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31720452</id>
	<title>Re:Good Luck</title>
	<author>christefano</author>
	<datestamp>1270305540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. Here's an example that's close to what I do:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; How To Sous Vide An iPhone<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwIfNsRki0k" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwIfNsRki0k</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>It depends on the device's form factor, but to protect things like phones, PDAs, tablet PCs, etc. from humidity, water and sand you can use a Foodsaver and cryovac it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Here 's an example that 's close to what I do :     How To Sous Vide An iPhone     http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = XwIfNsRki0k [ youtube.com ] It depends on the device 's form factor , but to protect things like phones , PDAs , tablet PCs , etc .
from humidity , water and sand you can use a Foodsaver and cryovac it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Here's an example that's close to what I do:
    How To Sous Vide An iPhone
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwIfNsRki0k [youtube.com]It depends on the device's form factor, but to protect things like phones, PDAs, tablet PCs, etc.
from humidity, water and sand you can use a Foodsaver and cryovac it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31641940</id>
	<title>EliteBook</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269722340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using the HP EliteBook 8540w and it's been hard to destroy. I ran an HP demo unit through the mill too (dropped it from six feet on all corners, etc) - it's rated for military use, and I'm pretty sure it's one step below the ruggedized laptops you can get with armor plating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using the HP EliteBook 8540w and it 's been hard to destroy .
I ran an HP demo unit through the mill too ( dropped it from six feet on all corners , etc ) - it 's rated for military use , and I 'm pretty sure it 's one step below the ruggedized laptops you can get with armor plating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using the HP EliteBook 8540w and it's been hard to destroy.
I ran an HP demo unit through the mill too (dropped it from six feet on all corners, etc) - it's rated for military use, and I'm pretty sure it's one step below the ruggedized laptops you can get with armor plating.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31646414</id>
	<title>Re:Field notebooks</title>
	<author>mr.sedam</author>
	<datestamp>1269778920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We use toughbook too (not exactly the same environement, but kindly hard one). ToughBook does the job</htmltext>
<tokenext>We use toughbook too ( not exactly the same environement , but kindly hard one ) .
ToughBook does the job</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We use toughbook too (not exactly the same environement, but kindly hard one).
ToughBook does the job</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645864</id>
	<title>Sometimes ruggedness means simply disposability.</title>
	<author>AlexLibman</author>
	<datestamp>1269809880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure it's possible to build a laptop that can withstand years in any environment, but at what cost?  As NetBooks get cheaper, maybe it's time to start thinking of them as a disposable commodity - a new $300 every 6 months beats a $4000 ToughBook every 5 years, especially considering the time-value of money (i.e. credit interest or inflation), increasing performance value, lighter weight, not having to worry about accumulative maintenance costs, etc.  And you can donate your worn out NetBooks to a local school or something where kids can learn what electronics look like on the inside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure it 's possible to build a laptop that can withstand years in any environment , but at what cost ?
As NetBooks get cheaper , maybe it 's time to start thinking of them as a disposable commodity - a new $ 300 every 6 months beats a $ 4000 ToughBook every 5 years , especially considering the time-value of money ( i.e .
credit interest or inflation ) , increasing performance value , lighter weight , not having to worry about accumulative maintenance costs , etc .
And you can donate your worn out NetBooks to a local school or something where kids can learn what electronics look like on the inside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure it's possible to build a laptop that can withstand years in any environment, but at what cost?
As NetBooks get cheaper, maybe it's time to start thinking of them as a disposable commodity - a new $300 every 6 months beats a $4000 ToughBook every 5 years, especially considering the time-value of money (i.e.
credit interest or inflation), increasing performance value, lighter weight, not having to worry about accumulative maintenance costs, etc.
And you can donate your worn out NetBooks to a local school or something where kids can learn what electronics look like on the inside.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642392</id>
	<title>Cyber clean</title>
	<author>mmmmbeer</author>
	<datestamp>1269682440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regardless of what you get, invest in a bunch of cyber clean and clean out your notebook regularly.</p><p><a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/b88d/" title="thinkgeek.com">http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/b88d/</a> [thinkgeek.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regardless of what you get , invest in a bunch of cyber clean and clean out your notebook regularly.http : //www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/b88d/ [ thinkgeek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regardless of what you get, invest in a bunch of cyber clean and clean out your notebook regularly.http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/b88d/ [thinkgeek.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31644674</id>
	<title>Re:Field notebooks</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1269706320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MIL-STD-810F <a href="http://www.linux-laptop.net/rugged-laptop.html" title="linux-laptop.net">http://www.linux-laptop.net/rugged-laptop.html</a> [linux-laptop.net] and a URL to a Linux friendly selection.</p><p>I thought about making a 'transportable' one that has the guts in a dust proof box with a battery pack and a heat exchanger and no openings. It would use an industrial wireless mouse and keyboard and have a sealed bulkhead USB connector(s). A CD is a problem even if it's external. I doubt I'll get the funds soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MIL-STD-810F http : //www.linux-laptop.net/rugged-laptop.html [ linux-laptop.net ] and a URL to a Linux friendly selection.I thought about making a 'transportable ' one that has the guts in a dust proof box with a battery pack and a heat exchanger and no openings .
It would use an industrial wireless mouse and keyboard and have a sealed bulkhead USB connector ( s ) .
A CD is a problem even if it 's external .
I doubt I 'll get the funds soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MIL-STD-810F http://www.linux-laptop.net/rugged-laptop.html [linux-laptop.net] and a URL to a Linux friendly selection.I thought about making a 'transportable' one that has the guts in a dust proof box with a battery pack and a heat exchanger and no openings.
It would use an industrial wireless mouse and keyboard and have a sealed bulkhead USB connector(s).
A CD is a problem even if it's external.
I doubt I'll get the funds soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31655974</id>
	<title>Try Refurbished</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269872220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are several cost-effective ways of getting what you desire. One of them is to buy a refurbished Panasonic Toughbook from a site like www.toughbookexchange.com.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are several cost-effective ways of getting what you desire .
One of them is to buy a refurbished Panasonic Toughbook from a site like www.toughbookexchange.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are several cost-effective ways of getting what you desire.
One of them is to buy a refurbished Panasonic Toughbook from a site like www.toughbookexchange.com.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643686</id>
	<title>Re:Field notebooks</title>
	<author>mprindle</author>
	<datestamp>1269694620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can throw my vote in for the Toughbooks.  We use them internally and we setup the fully rugged models for our customers to use in the middle of chemical plants and refineries.  So far we see very few of them come back with issues and the ones we do see come back someone has screwed up the applications on it.</p><p>Now against sand I would think they would be pretty good.  Every entry point into the laptop is covered by a latching door that is fully sealed when closed.</p><p>Kage\_</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can throw my vote in for the Toughbooks .
We use them internally and we setup the fully rugged models for our customers to use in the middle of chemical plants and refineries .
So far we see very few of them come back with issues and the ones we do see come back someone has screwed up the applications on it.Now against sand I would think they would be pretty good .
Every entry point into the laptop is covered by a latching door that is fully sealed when closed.Kage \ _</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can throw my vote in for the Toughbooks.
We use them internally and we setup the fully rugged models for our customers to use in the middle of chemical plants and refineries.
So far we see very few of them come back with issues and the ones we do see come back someone has screwed up the applications on it.Now against sand I would think they would be pretty good.
Every entry point into the laptop is covered by a latching door that is fully sealed when closed.Kage\_</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642696</id>
	<title>Re:iPad is still better.</title>
	<author>mellon</author>
	<datestamp>1269684900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's got enough computes and actually does what he wants, that's good advice.   It's got no moving parts, so dust getting inside it is probably okay, although you'll have to be careful of the screen - I'd use screen protectors religiously, and only change them when you're in a steamy room after showering (I know that sounds weird, but it really does help).   The good thing about this solution is that you can keep a couple of keyboards around so that when one of them gets too crapped up to use, you can swap in another one.  You can always repair the crapped-up one in your copious free time, but it's good to have spares.</p><p>On a similar note, if you need more power, it sounds like HP is coming out with a tablet soon.   It would have the same advantages, although you'd probably want to order it with an SSD rather than a spinning hard drive.   It would also run windows, so if you're locked in to that solution it might be a better choice for you.</p><p>Having said that, I've been working with Macs in a desert environment for a long time, and the worst that's ever happened to me is that the keyboard got squeaky after a while.   I don't know if that's because the mac keyboard is better, or I'm better at protecting it, or we don't have as much airborne dust as you do.   Probably the latter, in which case my advice might not help that much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's got enough computes and actually does what he wants , that 's good advice .
It 's got no moving parts , so dust getting inside it is probably okay , although you 'll have to be careful of the screen - I 'd use screen protectors religiously , and only change them when you 're in a steamy room after showering ( I know that sounds weird , but it really does help ) .
The good thing about this solution is that you can keep a couple of keyboards around so that when one of them gets too crapped up to use , you can swap in another one .
You can always repair the crapped-up one in your copious free time , but it 's good to have spares.On a similar note , if you need more power , it sounds like HP is coming out with a tablet soon .
It would have the same advantages , although you 'd probably want to order it with an SSD rather than a spinning hard drive .
It would also run windows , so if you 're locked in to that solution it might be a better choice for you.Having said that , I 've been working with Macs in a desert environment for a long time , and the worst that 's ever happened to me is that the keyboard got squeaky after a while .
I do n't know if that 's because the mac keyboard is better , or I 'm better at protecting it , or we do n't have as much airborne dust as you do .
Probably the latter , in which case my advice might not help that much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's got enough computes and actually does what he wants, that's good advice.
It's got no moving parts, so dust getting inside it is probably okay, although you'll have to be careful of the screen - I'd use screen protectors religiously, and only change them when you're in a steamy room after showering (I know that sounds weird, but it really does help).
The good thing about this solution is that you can keep a couple of keyboards around so that when one of them gets too crapped up to use, you can swap in another one.
You can always repair the crapped-up one in your copious free time, but it's good to have spares.On a similar note, if you need more power, it sounds like HP is coming out with a tablet soon.
It would have the same advantages, although you'd probably want to order it with an SSD rather than a spinning hard drive.
It would also run windows, so if you're locked in to that solution it might be a better choice for you.Having said that, I've been working with Macs in a desert environment for a long time, and the worst that's ever happened to me is that the keyboard got squeaky after a while.
I don't know if that's because the mac keyboard is better, or I'm better at protecting it, or we don't have as much airborne dust as you do.
Probably the latter, in which case my advice might not help that much.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643082</id>
	<title>Re:Use a disposable laptop</title>
	<author>plierhead</author>
	<datestamp>1269688380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to belittle your environmental challenges, but we treat our own laptops as operating in a hostile environment. Statistically most of them will be stolen, lost of suffer catastrophic failure within 3 years. Mostly stolen.

<p>While you do still want a rugged laptop, ultimately it is better to make sure you have a fantastic recovery plan for when shit happens.

</p><p>One way is to go fully virtualised. Treat your host operating system as a basic shell, and instead install yoru real software on a VM. We use VMWare Workstation, Virtual box or others would work too.

</p><p>Now fix your backup/recovery strategy. Backup your entire VM frequently - daily is ideal. A good way is to make use linux for the host, and keep the VM itself on an LVM volume - then you can read-consistent copies using LVM snaphots in the background with no impact on the guest - no pausing, no shutdown needed. You might also want to do a file-level back from within the VM of your very important files as a double safeguard.

</p><p>Now you are sorted. Your machine will die, and when it does, you simply buy new one, re-install a host, then recover your VM onto the new one.

</p><p>This also gives you an excuse to get a fairly grunty laptop - running VMs gives it a real good workout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to belittle your environmental challenges , but we treat our own laptops as operating in a hostile environment .
Statistically most of them will be stolen , lost of suffer catastrophic failure within 3 years .
Mostly stolen .
While you do still want a rugged laptop , ultimately it is better to make sure you have a fantastic recovery plan for when shit happens .
One way is to go fully virtualised .
Treat your host operating system as a basic shell , and instead install yoru real software on a VM .
We use VMWare Workstation , Virtual box or others would work too .
Now fix your backup/recovery strategy .
Backup your entire VM frequently - daily is ideal .
A good way is to make use linux for the host , and keep the VM itself on an LVM volume - then you can read-consistent copies using LVM snaphots in the background with no impact on the guest - no pausing , no shutdown needed .
You might also want to do a file-level back from within the VM of your very important files as a double safeguard .
Now you are sorted .
Your machine will die , and when it does , you simply buy new one , re-install a host , then recover your VM onto the new one .
This also gives you an excuse to get a fairly grunty laptop - running VMs gives it a real good workout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to belittle your environmental challenges, but we treat our own laptops as operating in a hostile environment.
Statistically most of them will be stolen, lost of suffer catastrophic failure within 3 years.
Mostly stolen.
While you do still want a rugged laptop, ultimately it is better to make sure you have a fantastic recovery plan for when shit happens.
One way is to go fully virtualised.
Treat your host operating system as a basic shell, and instead install yoru real software on a VM.
We use VMWare Workstation, Virtual box or others would work too.
Now fix your backup/recovery strategy.
Backup your entire VM frequently - daily is ideal.
A good way is to make use linux for the host, and keep the VM itself on an LVM volume - then you can read-consistent copies using LVM snaphots in the background with no impact on the guest - no pausing, no shutdown needed.
You might also want to do a file-level back from within the VM of your very important files as a double safeguard.
Now you are sorted.
Your machine will die, and when it does, you simply buy new one, re-install a host, then recover your VM onto the new one.
This also gives you an excuse to get a fairly grunty laptop - running VMs gives it a real good workout.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643862</id>
	<title>Buy many copies</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1269696660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The people who work there already have this figured out, as you say, by replacing hardware every 6 to 12 months.  So, buy identical copies of an inexpensive flash-based laptop and swap the drive each time you lose a chassis.  Blowing out the chassis with compressed air frequently should help.  If you're in an industrial setting, compressed air should be easy to come by, otherwise, a filling station should have some) frequently should help.</p><p>I'd worry more about my lungs in an environment like that, though.  You get more-or-less only one set of those, and definitely can't clean them easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The people who work there already have this figured out , as you say , by replacing hardware every 6 to 12 months .
So , buy identical copies of an inexpensive flash-based laptop and swap the drive each time you lose a chassis .
Blowing out the chassis with compressed air frequently should help .
If you 're in an industrial setting , compressed air should be easy to come by , otherwise , a filling station should have some ) frequently should help.I 'd worry more about my lungs in an environment like that , though .
You get more-or-less only one set of those , and definitely ca n't clean them easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The people who work there already have this figured out, as you say, by replacing hardware every 6 to 12 months.
So, buy identical copies of an inexpensive flash-based laptop and swap the drive each time you lose a chassis.
Blowing out the chassis with compressed air frequently should help.
If you're in an industrial setting, compressed air should be easy to come by, otherwise, a filling station should have some) frequently should help.I'd worry more about my lungs in an environment like that, though.
You get more-or-less only one set of those, and definitely can't clean them easily.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31642912</id>
	<title>Panasonic Toughbook</title>
	<author>DizTorDed</author>
	<datestamp>1269686760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The keyboard is sealed.  The external ports have covers.  The harddrive is easily replacable without taking the laptop apart.  I have the CF-19 for it's size but it is too small for some people.  There are other modles with full size keyboard and a large screen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The keyboard is sealed .
The external ports have covers .
The harddrive is easily replacable without taking the laptop apart .
I have the CF-19 for it 's size but it is too small for some people .
There are other modles with full size keyboard and a large screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The keyboard is sealed.
The external ports have covers.
The harddrive is easily replacable without taking the laptop apart.
I have the CF-19 for it's size but it is too small for some people.
There are other modles with full size keyboard and a large screen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31643830</id>
	<title>I'll do the beta test</title>
	<author>speedlaw</author>
	<datestamp>1269696480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really...Just ask any family with kids who use the computer what survives.......no grit or dust, but lots of food and no consideration as to "sensitive electronics"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really...Just ask any family with kids who use the computer what survives.......no grit or dust , but lots of food and no consideration as to " sensitive electronics "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really...Just ask any family with kids who use the computer what survives.......no grit or dust, but lots of food and no consideration as to "sensitive electronics"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31645446</id>
	<title>Dell Latitude E6400 XFR Ruggedized</title>
	<author>j0uSt</author>
	<datestamp>1269715860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work offshore and was going through laptops quite regularly but all that changed when I picked up the XFR laptop.  They are very sturdy but are much lighter than the tough book PC's which I also find kind of outdated.</p><p>They come in both touch and non-touch screen laptops with 14.1 or 12.1 inch screens.  Some of the best features I have found about these laptops are the fact that they have VGA out, SSD hard drives, ability to charge your cell phone (or other USB devices) while the laptop is turned off and it comes with a 3G SIM card slot for mobile broadband built in.</p><p>Just my 2 cents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work offshore and was going through laptops quite regularly but all that changed when I picked up the XFR laptop .
They are very sturdy but are much lighter than the tough book PC 's which I also find kind of outdated.They come in both touch and non-touch screen laptops with 14.1 or 12.1 inch screens .
Some of the best features I have found about these laptops are the fact that they have VGA out , SSD hard drives , ability to charge your cell phone ( or other USB devices ) while the laptop is turned off and it comes with a 3G SIM card slot for mobile broadband built in.Just my 2 cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work offshore and was going through laptops quite regularly but all that changed when I picked up the XFR laptop.
They are very sturdy but are much lighter than the tough book PC's which I also find kind of outdated.They come in both touch and non-touch screen laptops with 14.1 or 12.1 inch screens.
Some of the best features I have found about these laptops are the fact that they have VGA out, SSD hard drives, ability to charge your cell phone (or other USB devices) while the laptop is turned off and it comes with a 3G SIM card slot for mobile broadband built in.Just my 2 cents.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_27_1931201.31697988</id>
	<title>Try Panasonic's line of Toughbooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1270065420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am typing this from a Panasonic CF-29 Toughbook and I am in the middle east right now.  This toughbook has been to the desert for a total of 27 months and is still working well.  It has a touchscreen, CAC reader, and other fun stuff but only 2 USB ports.  It has been dropped on the concrete floor numerous times as I rush from router/switch to router/switch and is still going strong.</p><p>These laptops are beasts but the MSRP made them unobtainable to all but corporate/government purchase.  You can get them off of eBay and government auctions for a lot less now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am typing this from a Panasonic CF-29 Toughbook and I am in the middle east right now .
This toughbook has been to the desert for a total of 27 months and is still working well .
It has a touchscreen , CAC reader , and other fun stuff but only 2 USB ports .
It has been dropped on the concrete floor numerous times as I rush from router/switch to router/switch and is still going strong.These laptops are beasts but the MSRP made them unobtainable to all but corporate/government purchase .
You can get them off of eBay and government auctions for a lot less now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am typing this from a Panasonic CF-29 Toughbook and I am in the middle east right now.
This toughbook has been to the desert for a total of 27 months and is still working well.
It has a touchscreen, CAC reader, and other fun stuff but only 2 USB ports.
It has been dropped on the concrete floor numerous times as I rush from router/switch to router/switch and is still going strong.These laptops are beasts but the MSRP made them unobtainable to all but corporate/government purchase.
You can get them off of eBay and government auctions for a lot less now.</sentencetext>
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