<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_23_2348232</id>
	<title>Ubuntu's "Lucid Lynx" Enters Beta</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269354720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ActionDesignStudios writes <i>"The upcoming release of Ubuntu, titled 'Lucid Lynx,' <a href="http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595\_22-406545.html">has just entered the beta cycle</a>.  Alongside the usual desktop and server versions, a special version has been released that is designed to run on Amazon's EC2 cloud service.  This release of Ubuntu does away with the brown 'Human' Gnome theme we've all become accustomed to, replaced by a new version Canonical says is inspired by light.  The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and Facebook, among others."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ActionDesignStudios writes " The upcoming release of Ubuntu , titled 'Lucid Lynx, ' has just entered the beta cycle .
Alongside the usual desktop and server versions , a special version has been released that is designed to run on Amazon 's EC2 cloud service .
This release of Ubuntu does away with the brown 'Human ' Gnome theme we 've all become accustomed to , replaced by a new version Canonical says is inspired by light .
The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter , identi.ca and Facebook , among others .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ActionDesignStudios writes "The upcoming release of Ubuntu, titled 'Lucid Lynx,' has just entered the beta cycle.
Alongside the usual desktop and server versions, a special version has been released that is designed to run on Amazon's EC2 cloud service.
This release of Ubuntu does away with the brown 'Human' Gnome theme we've all become accustomed to, replaced by a new version Canonical says is inspired by light.
The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and Facebook, among others.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593358</id>
	<title>Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>EreIamJH</author>
	<datestamp>1269360660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Masturbating Monkey</htmltext>
<tokenext>Masturbating Monkey</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masturbating Monkey</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593674</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269363480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ubuntu enters beta every six months.  It's news for those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu. </p></div><p>I disagree, based on the current amount of time for which the beta has been out.  Those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu should have known this, oh, 4 or 5 days ago, <i>when it happened</i>.</p><p>For those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu, this is olds, not news.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu enters beta every six months .
It 's news for those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu .
I disagree , based on the current amount of time for which the beta has been out .
Those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu should have known this , oh , 4 or 5 days ago , when it happened.For those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu , this is olds , not news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu enters beta every six months.
It's news for those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu.
I disagree, based on the current amount of time for which the beta has been out.
Those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu should have known this, oh, 4 or 5 days ago, when it happened.For those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu, this is olds, not news.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599668</id>
	<title>Seriously reconsidering...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269453180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Ubuntu for five years. I was most happy with it when Gutsy was around. The other  day though, I dusted off my Vista partition. To be frank, I've had it with the brain-damaged decisions the Ubuntu devs make. Now, after a fresh install of Ubuntu, not only do I have to figure out how to scrub pulseaudio to get an audio system that isn't laggy as shit, I have to look up some command to fix the GUI. Both of these things used to "just work".</p><p>The reality is that many of us go back and forth between OS's and we are going to have trouble dealing with Ubuntu's latest dumb decision.</p><p>I already get "free Windows". It came pre-loaded on all of my machines. So, why should I waist my time fixing deficiencies in another OS that were artificially put there? I'm willing to learn, and I'm willing to re-compile apps to get the features I want, but I'm not willing to fix something that used to work fine, but is now broken because of the developers' need to be hip and trendy and try to "keep up with the big players".</p><p>It isn't worth my time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Ubuntu for five years .
I was most happy with it when Gutsy was around .
The other day though , I dusted off my Vista partition .
To be frank , I 've had it with the brain-damaged decisions the Ubuntu devs make .
Now , after a fresh install of Ubuntu , not only do I have to figure out how to scrub pulseaudio to get an audio system that is n't laggy as shit , I have to look up some command to fix the GUI .
Both of these things used to " just work " .The reality is that many of us go back and forth between OS 's and we are going to have trouble dealing with Ubuntu 's latest dumb decision.I already get " free Windows " .
It came pre-loaded on all of my machines .
So , why should I waist my time fixing deficiencies in another OS that were artificially put there ?
I 'm willing to learn , and I 'm willing to re-compile apps to get the features I want , but I 'm not willing to fix something that used to work fine , but is now broken because of the developers ' need to be hip and trendy and try to " keep up with the big players " .It is n't worth my time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Ubuntu for five years.
I was most happy with it when Gutsy was around.
The other  day though, I dusted off my Vista partition.
To be frank, I've had it with the brain-damaged decisions the Ubuntu devs make.
Now, after a fresh install of Ubuntu, not only do I have to figure out how to scrub pulseaudio to get an audio system that isn't laggy as shit, I have to look up some command to fix the GUI.
Both of these things used to "just work".The reality is that many of us go back and forth between OS's and we are going to have trouble dealing with Ubuntu's latest dumb decision.I already get "free Windows".
It came pre-loaded on all of my machines.
So, why should I waist my time fixing deficiencies in another OS that were artificially put there?
I'm willing to learn, and I'm willing to re-compile apps to get the features I want, but I'm not willing to fix something that used to work fine, but is now broken because of the developers' need to be hip and trendy and try to "keep up with the big players".It isn't worth my time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593244</id>
	<title>Ubuntu One-liner of the Year: 2010</title>
	<author>Statecraftsman</author>
	<datestamp>1269359760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>gconftool-2 --set<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/apps/metacity/general/button\_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close</htmltext>
<tokenext>gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button \ _layout --type string menu : minimize,maximize,close</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button\_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593076</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593844</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu One-liner of the Year: 2010</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1269364680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>  gconftool-2 --set<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/apps/metacity/general/button\_layout --type string
  menu:minimize,maximize,close</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Is this a Lynx thing or something?
When I enter this in my graphical web browser,
all I get is
</p><p>
"Server not found, Iceweasel can't find the server at www.gconftool-2.com"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button \ _layout --type string menu : minimize,maximize,close Is this a Lynx thing or something ?
When I enter this in my graphical web browser , all I get is " Server not found , Iceweasel ca n't find the server at www.gconftool-2.com "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button\_layout --type string
  menu:minimize,maximize,close

Is this a Lynx thing or something?
When I enter this in my graphical web browser,
all I get is

"Server not found, Iceweasel can't find the server at www.gconftool-2.com"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593244</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593106</id>
	<title>Just like real life</title>
	<author>tpstigers</author>
	<datestamp>1269358620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So now I'm not Human by default, but have to make a conscious decision to be Human.  Just like real life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So now I 'm not Human by default , but have to make a conscious decision to be Human .
Just like real life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now I'm not Human by default, but have to make a conscious decision to be Human.
Just like real life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593186</id>
	<title>Glad to see</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1269359220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a major distro based on a text browser!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a major distro based on a text browser !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a major distro based on a text browser!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596390</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1269439260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kubuntu is even worst than Ubuntu given that it is just a "patchwork" of KDE apt-gets into the Ubuntu distribution.</p><p>I've tested it in current distribution and previous 2 and it is horrible.</p><p>Those who want KDE desktop should look for a *real* KDE distribution (I heard Mandrake and openSUSE are options).<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kubuntu is even worst than Ubuntu given that it is just a " patchwork " of KDE apt-gets into the Ubuntu distribution.I 've tested it in current distribution and previous 2 and it is horrible.Those who want KDE desktop should look for a * real * KDE distribution ( I heard Mandrake and openSUSE are options ) .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kubuntu is even worst than Ubuntu given that it is just a "patchwork" of KDE apt-gets into the Ubuntu distribution.I've tested it in current distribution and previous 2 and it is horrible.Those who want KDE desktop should look for a *real* KDE distribution (I heard Mandrake and openSUSE are options).
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596908</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269442500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt; </p><p>5 seconds of research on Google shows how to use Ubuntu without Gnome.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sigh</p></div><p>And years of reading has told me that Kubuntu is the worst KDE distribution available.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; 5 seconds of research on Google shows how to use Ubuntu without Gnome .
/sighAnd years of reading has told me that Kubuntu is the worst KDE distribution available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; 5 seconds of research on Google shows how to use Ubuntu without Gnome.
/sighAnd years of reading has told me that Kubuntu is the worst KDE distribution available.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31602722</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>dbc</author>
	<datestamp>1269421560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with you, brother.  Ubuntu has always seemed like obfuscated Linux to me.  It's very windows-y. And broken in silly ways.  And difficult to fix because it has been obfuscated.  I'm currently running system with Slackware, Gentoo, Arch, and Ubuntu.  And 3 OS X systems, which are of course BSD based.  Ubuntu is my least favorite of all.  What people see in it is beyond me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you , brother .
Ubuntu has always seemed like obfuscated Linux to me .
It 's very windows-y .
And broken in silly ways .
And difficult to fix because it has been obfuscated .
I 'm currently running system with Slackware , Gentoo , Arch , and Ubuntu .
And 3 OS X systems , which are of course BSD based .
Ubuntu is my least favorite of all .
What people see in it is beyond me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you, brother.
Ubuntu has always seemed like obfuscated Linux to me.
It's very windows-y.
And broken in silly ways.
And difficult to fix because it has been obfuscated.
I'm currently running system with Slackware, Gentoo, Arch, and Ubuntu.
And 3 OS X systems, which are of course BSD based.
Ubuntu is my least favorite of all.
What people see in it is beyond me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595168</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596426</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1269439440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever Ubuntu's intention is (and it isn't clear they actually have one), they are pissing all over 30 years of convention that says the close button is in the corner at the top of a window. I can't think of any graphical desktop environment that didn't put the close button in either the top left or top right corner.
<p>
Aside from being convention it's predictable and convenient since its order never changes depending on if the window can be minimized and / or maximized. If there is a risk in closing a window (e.g. unsaved work), then the app can simply override the default close behaviour to allow the user the chance to cancel. This would have to happen regardless of where the close button is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever Ubuntu 's intention is ( and it is n't clear they actually have one ) , they are pissing all over 30 years of convention that says the close button is in the corner at the top of a window .
I ca n't think of any graphical desktop environment that did n't put the close button in either the top left or top right corner .
Aside from being convention it 's predictable and convenient since its order never changes depending on if the window can be minimized and / or maximized .
If there is a risk in closing a window ( e.g .
unsaved work ) , then the app can simply override the default close behaviour to allow the user the chance to cancel .
This would have to happen regardless of where the close button is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever Ubuntu's intention is (and it isn't clear they actually have one), they are pissing all over 30 years of convention that says the close button is in the corner at the top of a window.
I can't think of any graphical desktop environment that didn't put the close button in either the top left or top right corner.
Aside from being convention it's predictable and convenient since its order never changes depending on if the window can be minimized and / or maximized.
If there is a risk in closing a window (e.g.
unsaved work), then the app can simply override the default close behaviour to allow the user the chance to cancel.
This would have to happen regardless of where the close button is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31598378</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1269448560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How often is it that you really need two windows visible at the same time?   Those windows in the background, really they're just using up valuable screen real estate.  You could be using that space to display something in the window you're actually using.</p><p>Very occasionally, I'll need to look at a PDF with text embedded as raster images instead of fonts.  Then I'll have two non-maximized windows.  One for reading, the other for typing.  That is just about the only use case I can come up with for having two applications visible at the same time.  Any other time, you can just switch back and forth.</p><p>Remember, humans are bad multitasking.  You might think you're getting more functionality by having more different things on the screen.  But chances are, you're just distracting yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How often is it that you really need two windows visible at the same time ?
Those windows in the background , really they 're just using up valuable screen real estate .
You could be using that space to display something in the window you 're actually using.Very occasionally , I 'll need to look at a PDF with text embedded as raster images instead of fonts .
Then I 'll have two non-maximized windows .
One for reading , the other for typing .
That is just about the only use case I can come up with for having two applications visible at the same time .
Any other time , you can just switch back and forth.Remember , humans are bad multitasking .
You might think you 're getting more functionality by having more different things on the screen .
But chances are , you 're just distracting yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How often is it that you really need two windows visible at the same time?
Those windows in the background, really they're just using up valuable screen real estate.
You could be using that space to display something in the window you're actually using.Very occasionally, I'll need to look at a PDF with text embedded as raster images instead of fonts.
Then I'll have two non-maximized windows.
One for reading, the other for typing.
That is just about the only use case I can come up with for having two applications visible at the same time.
Any other time, you can just switch back and forth.Remember, humans are bad multitasking.
You might think you're getting more functionality by having more different things on the screen.
But chances are, you're just distracting yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595748</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Spliffster</author>
	<datestamp>1269434400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a long time unix user. The early releases of ubuntu were just beautiful, i ran them as they came (defaults were sane).</p><p>The last releases were buggy, full of stupid changes (tomboy and mono, insane default desktop options). I have a long gconf list now which i apply on a new install. They seem to be able to break features with every release. They also change default applications with every release (im, torrent client, etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... new default apps don't have all of the features the older ones had).</p><p>All in all, Ubuntu 9.04 was my last ubuntu. I am sick and tired of the work i have to put in to keep it running.</p><p>Cheers,<br>-S</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a long time unix user .
The early releases of ubuntu were just beautiful , i ran them as they came ( defaults were sane ) .The last releases were buggy , full of stupid changes ( tomboy and mono , insane default desktop options ) .
I have a long gconf list now which i apply on a new install .
They seem to be able to break features with every release .
They also change default applications with every release ( im , torrent client , etc .
... new default apps do n't have all of the features the older ones had ) .All in all , Ubuntu 9.04 was my last ubuntu .
I am sick and tired of the work i have to put in to keep it running.Cheers,-S</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a long time unix user.
The early releases of ubuntu were just beautiful, i ran them as they came (defaults were sane).The last releases were buggy, full of stupid changes (tomboy and mono, insane default desktop options).
I have a long gconf list now which i apply on a new install.
They seem to be able to break features with every release.
They also change default applications with every release (im, torrent client, etc.
... new default apps don't have all of the features the older ones had).All in all, Ubuntu 9.04 was my last ubuntu.
I am sick and tired of the work i have to put in to keep it running.Cheers,-S</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596128</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>iwbcman</author>
	<datestamp>1269437460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Merry Minge ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Merry Minge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Merry Minge ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31598622</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Martin Soto</author>
	<datestamp>1269449400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People like you, who obviously seem to have fun at dealing with things such as ALSA, nVidia drivers, Ratpoison, FreeBSD, upstart, fstab, disk mounting, and GRUB won't probably like Ubuntu. People who don't want to deal with such things, will probably like Ubuntu, because it does a decent job of hiding the technical details from them in such a way that they can actually use the system. So, what you seem to perceive as a lack of transparency in the system design, is deliberate and seen by many as a feature instead of as a defect.</p><p>It isn't simply a matter of people being superficially drawn to a "nice shiny Gnome". It's actually that they want to use their computer without having to understand the gory technical details of the software installed in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People like you , who obviously seem to have fun at dealing with things such as ALSA , nVidia drivers , Ratpoison , FreeBSD , upstart , fstab , disk mounting , and GRUB wo n't probably like Ubuntu .
People who do n't want to deal with such things , will probably like Ubuntu , because it does a decent job of hiding the technical details from them in such a way that they can actually use the system .
So , what you seem to perceive as a lack of transparency in the system design , is deliberate and seen by many as a feature instead of as a defect.It is n't simply a matter of people being superficially drawn to a " nice shiny Gnome " .
It 's actually that they want to use their computer without having to understand the gory technical details of the software installed in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People like you, who obviously seem to have fun at dealing with things such as ALSA, nVidia drivers, Ratpoison, FreeBSD, upstart, fstab, disk mounting, and GRUB won't probably like Ubuntu.
People who don't want to deal with such things, will probably like Ubuntu, because it does a decent job of hiding the technical details from them in such a way that they can actually use the system.
So, what you seem to perceive as a lack of transparency in the system design, is deliberate and seen by many as a feature instead of as a defect.It isn't simply a matter of people being superficially drawn to a "nice shiny Gnome".
It's actually that they want to use their computer without having to understand the gory technical details of the software installed in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31606952</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269447480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mighty Mongoose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mighty Mongoose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mighty Mongoose.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593954</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1269365580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Just because a story appears on Slashdot front page does not mean that you have to click "Read More" and then have to come up with something to comment. Go ahead and skip an article if you don't find it interesting. No seriously, go ahead. No one is going to stop you. You won't get an achievement saying "Did not comment on articlezor!"</p></div></blockquote><p>Even better, click the - button next to the topic name and choose a reason that you did so ("stupid" is on the list).  If enough people do so, the article will fall far enough that people can't read it.  It's already low enough to hide the article summary until you click the topic name...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because a story appears on Slashdot front page does not mean that you have to click " Read More " and then have to come up with something to comment .
Go ahead and skip an article if you do n't find it interesting .
No seriously , go ahead .
No one is going to stop you .
You wo n't get an achievement saying " Did not comment on articlezor !
" Even better , click the - button next to the topic name and choose a reason that you did so ( " stupid " is on the list ) .
If enough people do so , the article will fall far enough that people ca n't read it .
It 's already low enough to hide the article summary until you click the topic name.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because a story appears on Slashdot front page does not mean that you have to click "Read More" and then have to come up with something to comment.
Go ahead and skip an article if you don't find it interesting.
No seriously, go ahead.
No one is going to stop you.
You won't get an achievement saying "Did not comment on articlezor!
"Even better, click the - button next to the topic name and choose a reason that you did so ("stupid" is on the list).
If enough people do so, the article will fall far enough that people can't read it.
It's already low enough to hide the article summary until you click the topic name...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593530</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1269362160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because "operating system" means more than you think it means. It ships with a desktop manager which allows email, IM, and other communication services to access the dock. That's what "integrates" means.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because " operating system " means more than you think it means .
It ships with a desktop manager which allows email , IM , and other communication services to access the dock .
That 's what " integrates " means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because "operating system" means more than you think it means.
It ships with a desktop manager which allows email, IM, and other communication services to access the dock.
That's what "integrates" means.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595124</id>
	<title>As Lord Vetinari said....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269427440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People <i>LIKE</i> olds - its what they're familiar with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People LIKE olds - its what they 're familiar with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People LIKE olds - its what they're familiar with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599558</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>danieltdp</author>
	<datestamp>1269452760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maniac Mansion? Oh, wait, wrong tab...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maniac Mansion ?
Oh , wait , wrong tab.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maniac Mansion?
Oh, wait, wrong tab...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596928</id>
	<title>Re:About those crazy buttons</title>
	<author>wytcld</author>
	<datestamp>1269442500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So, I'm planning to download the Ubuntu Beta ISO image, and install it (possibly in VirtualBox)</p></div></blockquote><p>Be ready to customize your xorg.conf if you get dropped into 800x600. 10.04 and VirtualBox aren't entirely happy together yet (see http://forums.virtualbox.org). You can also get a kernel error if you don't patch one of the VB source files before compiling VB's kernel modules.</p><p>Once beyond that, I don't mind the button placement at all. Over the years of using Linux, I've often used themes with various button placements. Takes me no time to get used to such changes, at all. The brain stores such stuff by context. "If it looks generally like this, the buttons must be <i>there</i>." Since I'm running this instance on a Win7 host (an eee1001p I keep Win on for the oddball Windows program that's not happy under wine) keeping the X windows decidedly different than the Win windows, when both are open at once, keeps the context clear for other operations in them too.</p><p>On the other hand, if Canonical goes through with the reported suggestion of removing the right-side scroll bars from stuff, I'll be royally pissed. That's far more basic to functionality - actually removing a control - than just bouncing the buttons from one side to the other.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I 'm planning to download the Ubuntu Beta ISO image , and install it ( possibly in VirtualBox ) Be ready to customize your xorg.conf if you get dropped into 800x600 .
10.04 and VirtualBox are n't entirely happy together yet ( see http : //forums.virtualbox.org ) .
You can also get a kernel error if you do n't patch one of the VB source files before compiling VB 's kernel modules.Once beyond that , I do n't mind the button placement at all .
Over the years of using Linux , I 've often used themes with various button placements .
Takes me no time to get used to such changes , at all .
The brain stores such stuff by context .
" If it looks generally like this , the buttons must be there .
" Since I 'm running this instance on a Win7 host ( an eee1001p I keep Win on for the oddball Windows program that 's not happy under wine ) keeping the X windows decidedly different than the Win windows , when both are open at once , keeps the context clear for other operations in them too.On the other hand , if Canonical goes through with the reported suggestion of removing the right-side scroll bars from stuff , I 'll be royally pissed .
That 's far more basic to functionality - actually removing a control - than just bouncing the buttons from one side to the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I'm planning to download the Ubuntu Beta ISO image, and install it (possibly in VirtualBox)Be ready to customize your xorg.conf if you get dropped into 800x600.
10.04 and VirtualBox aren't entirely happy together yet (see http://forums.virtualbox.org).
You can also get a kernel error if you don't patch one of the VB source files before compiling VB's kernel modules.Once beyond that, I don't mind the button placement at all.
Over the years of using Linux, I've often used themes with various button placements.
Takes me no time to get used to such changes, at all.
The brain stores such stuff by context.
"If it looks generally like this, the buttons must be there.
" Since I'm running this instance on a Win7 host (an eee1001p I keep Win on for the oddball Windows program that's not happy under wine) keeping the X windows decidedly different than the Win windows, when both are open at once, keeps the context clear for other operations in them too.On the other hand, if Canonical goes through with the reported suggestion of removing the right-side scroll bars from stuff, I'll be royally pissed.
That's far more basic to functionality - actually removing a control - than just bouncing the buttons from one side to the other.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593286</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>LingNoi</author>
	<datestamp>1269360000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They say it was a decision from the design team however, I suspect the decision to change the window controls has to do with the <a href="http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">new mac guy that just joined canonical</a> [slashdot.org]. The timing is just too convenient.</p><p>Either way it's a foot meet bullet situation. I very much suspect a lot of people to move distro over this. Yes, I know you can type in a command to fix this however the point of Ubuntu was that you could install it and go. You didn't have to dick around with it and this decision is going to force people to spend time configuring their system unless they add some option at install time.</p><p>It's like Snow Leopard changing the controls on the right. How they expected to do this without getting criticised heavily for it is absurd. Not only that but Mark's Comments towards the end of <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633?comments=all" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">this bug report</a> [launchpad.net] posted in <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1635205/Open-Source-Is-Not-a-Democracy" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">a previous slashdot story</a> [slashdot.org] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.</p><p>There's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark can't come up with one reason to move them, just a lot of nonsense about "his plans" which he doesn't want to share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They say it was a decision from the design team however , I suspect the decision to change the window controls has to do with the new mac guy that just joined canonical [ slashdot.org ] .
The timing is just too convenient.Either way it 's a foot meet bullet situation .
I very much suspect a lot of people to move distro over this .
Yes , I know you can type in a command to fix this however the point of Ubuntu was that you could install it and go .
You did n't have to dick around with it and this decision is going to force people to spend time configuring their system unless they add some option at install time.It 's like Snow Leopard changing the controls on the right .
How they expected to do this without getting criticised heavily for it is absurd .
Not only that but Mark 's Comments towards the end of this bug report [ launchpad.net ] posted in a previous slashdot story [ slashdot.org ] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.There 's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark ca n't come up with one reason to move them , just a lot of nonsense about " his plans " which he does n't want to share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They say it was a decision from the design team however, I suspect the decision to change the window controls has to do with the new mac guy that just joined canonical [slashdot.org].
The timing is just too convenient.Either way it's a foot meet bullet situation.
I very much suspect a lot of people to move distro over this.
Yes, I know you can type in a command to fix this however the point of Ubuntu was that you could install it and go.
You didn't have to dick around with it and this decision is going to force people to spend time configuring their system unless they add some option at install time.It's like Snow Leopard changing the controls on the right.
How they expected to do this without getting criticised heavily for it is absurd.
Not only that but Mark's Comments towards the end of this bug report [launchpad.net] posted in a previous slashdot story [slashdot.org] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.There's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark can't come up with one reason to move them, just a lot of nonsense about "his plans" which he doesn't want to share.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595228</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1269428760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A PayPal donation button.

</p><p>Yes, I'm joking.  Maybe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A PayPal donation button .
Yes , I 'm joking .
Maybe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A PayPal donation button.
Yes, I'm joking.
Maybe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595910</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>xSauronx</author>
	<datestamp>1269436140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it would drive me nuts...but I like keeping lots of shit open for easy navigation. 23" 1080p lcd....i dont need *anything* maximized unless im working on spreadsheets or coding (the latter is pretty rare)</p><p>then again, I have a second monitor...for lots more stuff. I like information overload<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/wouldnt need a second if windows had something comparable to compiz<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//dont ask, its a necessity right now</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it would drive me nuts...but I like keeping lots of shit open for easy navigation .
23 " 1080p lcd....i dont need * anything * maximized unless im working on spreadsheets or coding ( the latter is pretty rare ) then again , I have a second monitor...for lots more stuff .
I like information overload /wouldnt need a second if windows had something comparable to compiz //dont ask , its a necessity right now</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it would drive me nuts...but I like keeping lots of shit open for easy navigation.
23" 1080p lcd....i dont need *anything* maximized unless im working on spreadsheets or coding (the latter is pretty rare)then again, I have a second monitor...for lots more stuff.
I like information overload /wouldnt need a second if windows had something comparable to compiz //dont ask, its a necessity right now</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595264</id>
	<title>fglrx supporting lucid already released?</title>
	<author>Sits</author>
	<datestamp>1269429360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/+changelog" title="launchpad.net">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/+changelog</a> [launchpad.net] (2:8.721-0ubuntu1) says a working package of flgrx for lucid was released on the 17th March. Also see <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699" title="launchpad.net">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699</a> [launchpad.net] . Is this version not working for you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/ + source/fglrx-installer/ + changelog [ launchpad.net ] ( 2 : 8.721-0ubuntu1 ) says a working package of flgrx for lucid was released on the 17th March .
Also see https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + source/fglrx-installer/ + bug/494699 [ launchpad.net ] .
Is this version not working for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/+changelog [launchpad.net] (2:8.721-0ubuntu1) says a working package of flgrx for lucid was released on the 17th March.
Also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699 [launchpad.net] .
Is this version not working for you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593396</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>Again</author>
	<datestamp>1269360900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OMGZZZ!!! Lucid Lynx enters beta!!!

is slashdot having a slow news day today?</p></div><p>Ubuntu enters beta every six months.  It's news for those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu. </p><p>Just because a story appears on Slashdot front page does not mean that you have to click "Read More" and then have to come up with something to comment.  Go ahead and skip an article if you don't find it interesting.  No seriously, go ahead.  No one is going to stop you.  You won't get an achievement saying "Did not comment on articlezor!".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMGZZZ ! ! !
Lucid Lynx enters beta ! ! !
is slashdot having a slow news day today ? Ubuntu enters beta every six months .
It 's news for those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu .
Just because a story appears on Slashdot front page does not mean that you have to click " Read More " and then have to come up with something to comment .
Go ahead and skip an article if you do n't find it interesting .
No seriously , go ahead .
No one is going to stop you .
You wo n't get an achievement saying " Did not comment on articlezor !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMGZZZ!!!
Lucid Lynx enters beta!!!
is slashdot having a slow news day today?Ubuntu enters beta every six months.
It's news for those of us who like beta-testing Ubuntu.
Just because a story appears on Slashdot front page does not mean that you have to click "Read More" and then have to come up with something to comment.
Go ahead and skip an article if you don't find it interesting.
No seriously, go ahead.
No one is going to stop you.
You won't get an achievement saying "Did not comment on articlezor!
".
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595660</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>moonbender</author>
	<datestamp>1269433620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like Ubuntu. I really like Gnome, so I don't feel like I have to tear it out. Most things just work for me -- including 5.1 sound --, and though some things don't, I can't imagine any other distribution (or OS, for that matter) not having its own share of issues. I don't care what init mechanism is used as long as things are running after booting. Similarly, I don't really care how partitions are mounted as long as they are, in fact, mounted. I guess I'm a luser these days. Many of the decisions that annoy me can easily be reverted (ctrl-alt-backspace in the past, menu bar buttons in the present; even removing PA apparently wasn't that difficult, even though I never tried it).</p><p>Other things I like:<br>
&nbsp; - the update cycle, which is often enough to be interesting and rare enough not to be annoying<br>
&nbsp; - the community support is really good because it seems to be sort of the default distribution these days<br>
&nbsp; - the bug tracker is nice (from a user perspective, anyway)<br>
&nbsp; - PPAs are available for popular software projects, sometimes from upstream itself, so I can get new versions or even nightly builds with updates and without compiling<br>
&nbsp; - overall, Launchpad is pretty awesome</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like Ubuntu .
I really like Gnome , so I do n't feel like I have to tear it out .
Most things just work for me -- including 5.1 sound -- , and though some things do n't , I ca n't imagine any other distribution ( or OS , for that matter ) not having its own share of issues .
I do n't care what init mechanism is used as long as things are running after booting .
Similarly , I do n't really care how partitions are mounted as long as they are , in fact , mounted .
I guess I 'm a luser these days .
Many of the decisions that annoy me can easily be reverted ( ctrl-alt-backspace in the past , menu bar buttons in the present ; even removing PA apparently was n't that difficult , even though I never tried it ) .Other things I like :   - the update cycle , which is often enough to be interesting and rare enough not to be annoying   - the community support is really good because it seems to be sort of the default distribution these days   - the bug tracker is nice ( from a user perspective , anyway )   - PPAs are available for popular software projects , sometimes from upstream itself , so I can get new versions or even nightly builds with updates and without compiling   - overall , Launchpad is pretty awesome</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like Ubuntu.
I really like Gnome, so I don't feel like I have to tear it out.
Most things just work for me -- including 5.1 sound --, and though some things don't, I can't imagine any other distribution (or OS, for that matter) not having its own share of issues.
I don't care what init mechanism is used as long as things are running after booting.
Similarly, I don't really care how partitions are mounted as long as they are, in fact, mounted.
I guess I'm a luser these days.
Many of the decisions that annoy me can easily be reverted (ctrl-alt-backspace in the past, menu bar buttons in the present; even removing PA apparently wasn't that difficult, even though I never tried it).Other things I like:
  - the update cycle, which is often enough to be interesting and rare enough not to be annoying
  - the community support is really good because it seems to be sort of the default distribution these days
  - the bug tracker is nice (from a user perspective, anyway)
  - PPAs are available for popular software projects, sometimes from upstream itself, so I can get new versions or even nightly builds with updates and without compiling
  - overall, Launchpad is pretty awesome</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593474</id>
	<title>One step forward, two steps back</title>
	<author>Judinous</author>
	<datestamp>1269361560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a big fan of Ubuntu, and I mostly run Ubuntu Server or Debian machines for my personal desktop usage.  However, their habit of catastrophically breaking important features in their releases is really getting on my nerves.  Wi-fi support, for example, has been fixed and re-broken repeatedly over the past few years.  I think that this release takes the cake when it comes to breaking existing functionality, though.  The first two known issues listed for 10.04:<br> <br>#Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work.
<br>#The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid. As a workaround, users should use the open source -ati driver instead.

<br> <br>Both of these are pretty much show-stoppers, especially the ATI issue.  Is a month long enough to sort out a problem this serious?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a big fan of Ubuntu , and I mostly run Ubuntu Server or Debian machines for my personal desktop usage .
However , their habit of catastrophically breaking important features in their releases is really getting on my nerves .
Wi-fi support , for example , has been fixed and re-broken repeatedly over the past few years .
I think that this release takes the cake when it comes to breaking existing functionality , though .
The first two known issues listed for 10.04 : # Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages , the nvidia installer from NVIDIA 's website currently does n't work .
# The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid .
As a workaround , users should use the open source -ati driver instead .
Both of these are pretty much show-stoppers , especially the ATI issue .
Is a month long enough to sort out a problem this serious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a big fan of Ubuntu, and I mostly run Ubuntu Server or Debian machines for my personal desktop usage.
However, their habit of catastrophically breaking important features in their releases is really getting on my nerves.
Wi-fi support, for example, has been fixed and re-broken repeatedly over the past few years.
I think that this release takes the cake when it comes to breaking existing functionality, though.
The first two known issues listed for 10.04: #Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work.
#The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid.
As a workaround, users should use the open source -ati driver instead.
Both of these are pretty much show-stoppers, especially the ATI issue.
Is a month long enough to sort out a problem this serious?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594136</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1269367200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It should do whatever users and devs both want. There is no arbitrary limit to what the OS should do; any boundary a person could claim on what counts as an OS is arbitrary.</p><p>Maybe you and I aren't interested in integrated Twitter, but apparently others are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should do whatever users and devs both want .
There is no arbitrary limit to what the OS should do ; any boundary a person could claim on what counts as an OS is arbitrary.Maybe you and I are n't interested in integrated Twitter , but apparently others are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should do whatever users and devs both want.
There is no arbitrary limit to what the OS should do; any boundary a person could claim on what counts as an OS is arbitrary.Maybe you and I aren't interested in integrated Twitter, but apparently others are.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>egcagrac0</author>
	<datestamp>1269447660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kubuntu is now running KDE4.  KDE3.5 was acceptable (even good) performance; KDE4 sucks that right out of the box and makes everything drag.  I had to switch to Gnome to get the second monitor to work (using a command-line fix every time it came out of screensaver was a pain), and to make the crashing stop, and to make the slowness stop.</p><p>As far as I can tell, Kubuntu is a second (or third) class citizen to other members of the Ubuntu family.  Something along the lines of "separate, and supposedly equal, but we all know that never works."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kubuntu is now running KDE4 .
KDE3.5 was acceptable ( even good ) performance ; KDE4 sucks that right out of the box and makes everything drag .
I had to switch to Gnome to get the second monitor to work ( using a command-line fix every time it came out of screensaver was a pain ) , and to make the crashing stop , and to make the slowness stop.As far as I can tell , Kubuntu is a second ( or third ) class citizen to other members of the Ubuntu family .
Something along the lines of " separate , and supposedly equal , but we all know that never works .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kubuntu is now running KDE4.
KDE3.5 was acceptable (even good) performance; KDE4 sucks that right out of the box and makes everything drag.
I had to switch to Gnome to get the second monitor to work (using a command-line fix every time it came out of screensaver was a pain), and to make the crashing stop, and to make the slowness stop.As far as I can tell, Kubuntu is a second (or third) class citizen to other members of the Ubuntu family.
Something along the lines of "separate, and supposedly equal, but we all know that never works.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595168</id>
	<title>Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269428100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is going to seem like trolling, but humour me here.  What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?</p><p>I used both Jaunty and Intrepid; Jaunty for probably two months.  I've been using Linux for 15 years now, and I honestly feel that Ubuntu was, without any hyperbole, the single worst Linux distribution that I've ever seen.  I absolutely hated it.</p><p>Why?  Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually, kernel panics from nVidia drivers, and the completely non-orthagonal design, with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system, were the three main reasons.  I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.  I generally use Ratpoison in either Linux or FreeBSD.</p><p>Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart, and the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can, purely for the hell of it, such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work.  Hard drives get mounted some other way, that I wasn't able to find.  Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation, leading to the infamous "black screen of death."  I honestly felt that the overall design was seriously less transparent than Windows; and if I started really trying to change things, the entire system very rapidly started to fall apart.</p><p>Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is going to seem like trolling , but humour me here .
What is it , that people honestly see in this distribution ? I used both Jaunty and Intrepid ; Jaunty for probably two months .
I 've been using Linux for 15 years now , and I honestly feel that Ubuntu was , without any hyperbole , the single worst Linux distribution that I 've ever seen .
I absolutely hated it.Why ?
Sound ( ALSA ) dropping out randomly and continually , kernel panics from nVidia drivers , and the completely non-orthagonal design , with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system , were the three main reasons .
I do n't like Gnome at all , and when I tried to remove it , rapidly found that I could n't .
I generally use Ratpoison in either Linux or FreeBSD.Then there 's the horrid mess that is upstart , and the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can , purely for the hell of it , such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part does n't work .
Hard drives get mounted some other way , that I was n't able to find .
Add to that , the " quiet splash , " options in GRUB , which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation , leading to the infamous " black screen of death .
" I honestly felt that the overall design was seriously less transparent than Windows ; and if I started really trying to change things , the entire system very rapidly started to fall apart.Are people really so superficial , that a nice shiny Gnome theme ( for the first few minutes before the system dies , at least ) is the only thing that is considered important ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is going to seem like trolling, but humour me here.
What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?I used both Jaunty and Intrepid; Jaunty for probably two months.
I've been using Linux for 15 years now, and I honestly feel that Ubuntu was, without any hyperbole, the single worst Linux distribution that I've ever seen.
I absolutely hated it.Why?
Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually, kernel panics from nVidia drivers, and the completely non-orthagonal design, with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system, were the three main reasons.
I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.
I generally use Ratpoison in either Linux or FreeBSD.Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart, and the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can, purely for the hell of it, such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work.
Hard drives get mounted some other way, that I wasn't able to find.
Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation, leading to the infamous "black screen of death.
"  I honestly felt that the overall design was seriously less transparent than Windows; and if I started really trying to change things, the entire system very rapidly started to fall apart.Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595614</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>pr0nbot</author>
	<datestamp>1269433080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the moment I run Ubuntu out of inertia - I installed it once at some point in the past and have just gone with the updates.</p><p>My Linux box is essentially a PC that became obsolete when I bought a laptop. I don't use it for much, just gaming with Wine (because I can shove a decent graphics card into it) and light browsing in Firefox whilst gaming.</p><p>Before I tried Ubuntu, I had tried just about every distro in the hopes of finding one that just installed and ran, by which I mean hardware stuff like: could run my monitor without me having to reverse engineer X configuration files, could drive my USB speakers without me having to take a crash course in kernel modules, could detect my wireless LAN without me having to download and compile stuff from RealTek, etc. At the time, Knoppix, Gentoo, Mandriva, Fedora, SUSE etc all failed in some way or another.</p><p>Another killer feature for me is system updates, which happen pretty unobtrusively on Ubuntu (dare I say it -- rather mac-like: a window pops up, you browse the updates &amp; pick the ones you care about, and type in the password).</p><p>So, for people like me who are bored of learning about some distro's internals just to get to the point where audio works (say), Ubuntu does the trick. Having said all that - as your post shows, one's opinion about a Linux distro will tend to be based on how well stuff worked out of the box, which as far as I can see normally comes down to hardware support. In your case it all went horribly wrong, in my case it all went absolutely swimmingly. I suppose the popularity of Ubuntu may reflect that it works smoothly for more people than not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the moment I run Ubuntu out of inertia - I installed it once at some point in the past and have just gone with the updates.My Linux box is essentially a PC that became obsolete when I bought a laptop .
I do n't use it for much , just gaming with Wine ( because I can shove a decent graphics card into it ) and light browsing in Firefox whilst gaming.Before I tried Ubuntu , I had tried just about every distro in the hopes of finding one that just installed and ran , by which I mean hardware stuff like : could run my monitor without me having to reverse engineer X configuration files , could drive my USB speakers without me having to take a crash course in kernel modules , could detect my wireless LAN without me having to download and compile stuff from RealTek , etc .
At the time , Knoppix , Gentoo , Mandriva , Fedora , SUSE etc all failed in some way or another.Another killer feature for me is system updates , which happen pretty unobtrusively on Ubuntu ( dare I say it -- rather mac-like : a window pops up , you browse the updates &amp; pick the ones you care about , and type in the password ) .So , for people like me who are bored of learning about some distro 's internals just to get to the point where audio works ( say ) , Ubuntu does the trick .
Having said all that - as your post shows , one 's opinion about a Linux distro will tend to be based on how well stuff worked out of the box , which as far as I can see normally comes down to hardware support .
In your case it all went horribly wrong , in my case it all went absolutely swimmingly .
I suppose the popularity of Ubuntu may reflect that it works smoothly for more people than not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the moment I run Ubuntu out of inertia - I installed it once at some point in the past and have just gone with the updates.My Linux box is essentially a PC that became obsolete when I bought a laptop.
I don't use it for much, just gaming with Wine (because I can shove a decent graphics card into it) and light browsing in Firefox whilst gaming.Before I tried Ubuntu, I had tried just about every distro in the hopes of finding one that just installed and ran, by which I mean hardware stuff like: could run my monitor without me having to reverse engineer X configuration files, could drive my USB speakers without me having to take a crash course in kernel modules, could detect my wireless LAN without me having to download and compile stuff from RealTek, etc.
At the time, Knoppix, Gentoo, Mandriva, Fedora, SUSE etc all failed in some way or another.Another killer feature for me is system updates, which happen pretty unobtrusively on Ubuntu (dare I say it -- rather mac-like: a window pops up, you browse the updates &amp; pick the ones you care about, and type in the password).So, for people like me who are bored of learning about some distro's internals just to get to the point where audio works (say), Ubuntu does the trick.
Having said all that - as your post shows, one's opinion about a Linux distro will tend to be based on how well stuff worked out of the box, which as far as I can see normally comes down to hardware support.
In your case it all went horribly wrong, in my case it all went absolutely swimmingly.
I suppose the popularity of Ubuntu may reflect that it works smoothly for more people than not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31646644</id>
	<title>I like because of</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1269783900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="https://shipit.ubuntu.com/login" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">https://shipit.ubuntu.com/login</a> [ubuntu.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //shipit.ubuntu.com/login [ ubuntu.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://shipit.ubuntu.com/login [ubuntu.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31636266</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269620280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Their goal is to teach everyone to learn about gconftool.</p><p>Well it worked!  They also got me to learn how to download "Human" through synaptic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Their goal is to teach everyone to learn about gconftool.Well it worked !
They also got me to learn how to download " Human " through synaptic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Their goal is to teach everyone to learn about gconftool.Well it worked!
They also got me to learn how to download "Human" through synaptic.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593812</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269364440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Masturbating Mark</p></div><p>ftfy</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Masturbating Markftfy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masturbating Markftfy
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595590</id>
	<title>Re:About those crazy buttons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269432840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(He was even talking about moving the scroll bar away from the right side of the window, on the grounds that few people use it, and scroll wheels/touchscreen interfaces are becoming the big new thing. This doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either.)</p></div><p>Huh. Now that, I find interesting. It's very rare that I use the scrollbar widgets to do actual scrolling. But I'd miss the visual cue on where I am in the document and how much of it I'm seeing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( He was even talking about moving the scroll bar away from the right side of the window , on the grounds that few people use it , and scroll wheels/touchscreen interfaces are becoming the big new thing .
This does n't give me the warm fuzzies either. ) Huh .
Now that , I find interesting .
It 's very rare that I use the scrollbar widgets to do actual scrolling .
But I 'd miss the visual cue on where I am in the document and how much of it I 'm seeing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(He was even talking about moving the scroll bar away from the right side of the window, on the grounds that few people use it, and scroll wheels/touchscreen interfaces are becoming the big new thing.
This doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either.)Huh.
Now that, I find interesting.
It's very rare that I use the scrollbar widgets to do actual scrolling.
But I'd miss the visual cue on where I am in the document and how much of it I'm seeing.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595762</id>
	<title>Re:Music Store</title>
	<author>donsmi</author>
	<datestamp>1269434520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>nothing wrong with the Canadian store for me - goto the top of the page and switch the search box from "indiestore" to "7digital"
Haven't made a purchase yet, but I'm seeing full albums in 320k for 9.99 and $10.99. Very nice!</htmltext>
<tokenext>nothing wrong with the Canadian store for me - goto the top of the page and switch the search box from " indiestore " to " 7digital " Have n't made a purchase yet , but I 'm seeing full albums in 320k for 9.99 and $ 10.99 .
Very nice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nothing wrong with the Canadian store for me - goto the top of the page and switch the search box from "indiestore" to "7digital"
Haven't made a purchase yet, but I'm seeing full albums in 320k for 9.99 and $10.99.
Very nice!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31597184</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>GungaDan</author>
	<datestamp>1269443880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would have been "mutated monkey" but Vin Diesel threatened to sue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would have been " mutated monkey " but Vin Diesel threatened to sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would have been "mutated monkey" but Vin Diesel threatened to sue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593744</id>
	<title>Re:Music Store</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1269364020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like they filter all the crap out for you already, leaving only music by real musicians. You should be happy for that, less risk of making a mistake when buying music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like they filter all the crap out for you already , leaving only music by real musicians .
You should be happy for that , less risk of making a mistake when buying music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like they filter all the crap out for you already, leaving only music by real musicians.
You should be happy for that, less risk of making a mistake when buying music.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599246</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269451500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK here's the deal (at least for me): we need a leader, we need a big cheese, we need a Linux version of what IBM was, then what MS is now. Namely someone that will be so commonly used that all the app developers and hardware vendors can build for it and hope to recoup their costs.<br>Ubuntu has a genuine shot at being this, but if they start pulling bonehead moves like this, then they will blow that chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK here 's the deal ( at least for me ) : we need a leader , we need a big cheese , we need a Linux version of what IBM was , then what MS is now .
Namely someone that will be so commonly used that all the app developers and hardware vendors can build for it and hope to recoup their costs.Ubuntu has a genuine shot at being this , but if they start pulling bonehead moves like this , then they will blow that chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK here's the deal (at least for me): we need a leader, we need a big cheese, we need a Linux version of what IBM was, then what MS is now.
Namely someone that will be so commonly used that all the app developers and hardware vendors can build for it and hope to recoup their costs.Ubuntu has a genuine shot at being this, but if they start pulling bonehead moves like this, then they will blow that chance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31603484</id>
	<title>Mac-a-like?</title>
	<author>Simian Man</author>
	<datestamp>1269424440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>New purple and grey theme, buttons on the left, an integrated music store and social networking built-in?
Sounds like they are pursuing the Apple fanbase pretty hard to me.

Thanks, but I'll stick with Fedora.</htmltext>
<tokenext>New purple and grey theme , buttons on the left , an integrated music store and social networking built-in ?
Sounds like they are pursuing the Apple fanbase pretty hard to me .
Thanks , but I 'll stick with Fedora .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New purple and grey theme, buttons on the left, an integrated music store and social networking built-in?
Sounds like they are pursuing the Apple fanbase pretty hard to me.
Thanks, but I'll stick with Fedora.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593512</id>
	<title>Re:Music Store</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269362040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't mind it starting with a limited amount of artists. What I don't understand is why they are only offering MP3s? On Linux! When I buy music I expect FLAC and Ogg Vorbis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't mind it starting with a limited amount of artists .
What I do n't understand is why they are only offering MP3s ?
On Linux !
When I buy music I expect FLAC and Ogg Vorbis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't mind it starting with a limited amount of artists.
What I don't understand is why they are only offering MP3s?
On Linux!
When I buy music I expect FLAC and Ogg Vorbis.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596642</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269440640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hardware problems suck, but I've been pretty lucky so far (An internal microphone in my new laptop doesn't work yet because of pulse audio, and I've had problems with the ATI closed source driver, but I like to use the open source one nowadays. Rest works, even hibernate)</p><p>The tendency to 'change everything they can' is something I kinda had to get used to with ubuntu. Some can't stand changes to these parts of linux, but personally I just tried to accept that it's different, and then thought/googled a bit to find out WHY they changed it and usually just solved the problem 'how I was supposed to'  using the ubuntu wiki and forum. After solving the problem, I often saw the change as a good thing because it made stuff make more sense or way more functional than before. I still hate networkmanager, but can see why somebody would want it, and I think I know how to handle it now.</p><p>My WM is http://i3.zekjur.net/ btw, so I don't really see gnome much.</p><p>The REAL reason why I use ubuntu is ease of use. I like to customize my box usability wise (different WM, configs/plugins for programs I use often, etc), but I hate it when programs just don't work or if I need to do lots of manual and obscure things or 'unclean' customizations at the core to get them to work. I can have that with ubuntu after dealing with a few differences, and I can also have one-click-installations because many people provide packages for it or find help for my specific problem with software X on one of the million ubuntu blogs, often consisting of a little script or a step-by-step tutorial I am happy to follow even after a long day at work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardware problems suck , but I 've been pretty lucky so far ( An internal microphone in my new laptop does n't work yet because of pulse audio , and I 've had problems with the ATI closed source driver , but I like to use the open source one nowadays .
Rest works , even hibernate ) The tendency to 'change everything they can ' is something I kinda had to get used to with ubuntu .
Some ca n't stand changes to these parts of linux , but personally I just tried to accept that it 's different , and then thought/googled a bit to find out WHY they changed it and usually just solved the problem 'how I was supposed to ' using the ubuntu wiki and forum .
After solving the problem , I often saw the change as a good thing because it made stuff make more sense or way more functional than before .
I still hate networkmanager , but can see why somebody would want it , and I think I know how to handle it now.My WM is http : //i3.zekjur.net/ btw , so I do n't really see gnome much.The REAL reason why I use ubuntu is ease of use .
I like to customize my box usability wise ( different WM , configs/plugins for programs I use often , etc ) , but I hate it when programs just do n't work or if I need to do lots of manual and obscure things or 'unclean ' customizations at the core to get them to work .
I can have that with ubuntu after dealing with a few differences , and I can also have one-click-installations because many people provide packages for it or find help for my specific problem with software X on one of the million ubuntu blogs , often consisting of a little script or a step-by-step tutorial I am happy to follow even after a long day at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardware problems suck, but I've been pretty lucky so far (An internal microphone in my new laptop doesn't work yet because of pulse audio, and I've had problems with the ATI closed source driver, but I like to use the open source one nowadays.
Rest works, even hibernate)The tendency to 'change everything they can' is something I kinda had to get used to with ubuntu.
Some can't stand changes to these parts of linux, but personally I just tried to accept that it's different, and then thought/googled a bit to find out WHY they changed it and usually just solved the problem 'how I was supposed to'  using the ubuntu wiki and forum.
After solving the problem, I often saw the change as a good thing because it made stuff make more sense or way more functional than before.
I still hate networkmanager, but can see why somebody would want it, and I think I know how to handle it now.My WM is http://i3.zekjur.net/ btw, so I don't really see gnome much.The REAL reason why I use ubuntu is ease of use.
I like to customize my box usability wise (different WM, configs/plugins for programs I use often, etc), but I hate it when programs just don't work or if I need to do lots of manual and obscure things or 'unclean' customizations at the core to get them to work.
I can have that with ubuntu after dealing with a few differences, and I can also have one-click-installations because many people provide packages for it or find help for my specific problem with software X on one of the million ubuntu blogs, often consisting of a little script or a step-by-step tutorial I am happy to follow even after a long day at work.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1269423060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually</i></p><p>Works fine for me.</p><p><i>kernel panics from nVidia drivers</i></p><p>Works fine for me.</p><p><i>and the completely non-orthagonal design</i></p><p>Huh?  That doesn't even mean anything.</p><p><i>with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system</i></p><p>Good, I like Gnome.</p><p><i>Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart</i></p><p>Works fine for me.</p><p><i>such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work</i></p><p>WTF.  Also works just fine for me.</p><p><i>Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation</i></p><p>Then just disable that (on my laptop I don't bother, but I do on my server).</p><p><i>Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?</i></p><p>No.  Different people simply have different experiences.</p><p>See, just like your content-free post, mine is populated entirely by anecdotes and very little actual data because, in the end, the distro one chooses is based on one's experiences.  For example, I find Ubuntu works fantastically on my laptop, provides a nice integrated desktop (provided you change the WM to something more useful, like xmonad), handles closed source drivers really well, handles media wonderfully (the fact that it automatically downloads codecs was a revelation the first time I saw it), and in general *just works*.  Yup, upgrading from version to version occasionally results in breakages (Jaunty -&gt; Karmic was easily the worst... prior to that I've had pretty good experiences just upgrading in place, though I tend to re-install these days), but those issues are usually worked out fairly quickly.</p><p>Oh, and for the record, I've been using Linux for about 15 years, now, starting with Slackware, which I downloaded from a local BBS onto floppies using the modem-equipped PC at my old school, so I've seen the breadth and depth of Linux distros (not to mention BSD and Windows).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sound ( ALSA ) dropping out randomly and continuallyWorks fine for me.kernel panics from nVidia driversWorks fine for me.and the completely non-orthagonal designHuh ?
That does n't even mean anything.with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the systemGood , I like Gnome.Then there 's the horrid mess that is upstartWorks fine for me.such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part does n't workWTF .
Also works just fine for me.Add to that , the " quiet splash , " options in GRUB , which remove the ability to debug a faulty installationThen just disable that ( on my laptop I do n't bother , but I do on my server ) .Are people really so superficial , that a nice shiny Gnome theme ( for the first few minutes before the system dies , at least ) is the only thing that is considered important ? No .
Different people simply have different experiences.See , just like your content-free post , mine is populated entirely by anecdotes and very little actual data because , in the end , the distro one chooses is based on one 's experiences .
For example , I find Ubuntu works fantastically on my laptop , provides a nice integrated desktop ( provided you change the WM to something more useful , like xmonad ) , handles closed source drivers really well , handles media wonderfully ( the fact that it automatically downloads codecs was a revelation the first time I saw it ) , and in general * just works * .
Yup , upgrading from version to version occasionally results in breakages ( Jaunty - &gt; Karmic was easily the worst... prior to that I 've had pretty good experiences just upgrading in place , though I tend to re-install these days ) , but those issues are usually worked out fairly quickly.Oh , and for the record , I 've been using Linux for about 15 years , now , starting with Slackware , which I downloaded from a local BBS onto floppies using the modem-equipped PC at my old school , so I 've seen the breadth and depth of Linux distros ( not to mention BSD and Windows ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continuallyWorks fine for me.kernel panics from nVidia driversWorks fine for me.and the completely non-orthagonal designHuh?
That doesn't even mean anything.with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the systemGood, I like Gnome.Then there's the horrid mess that is upstartWorks fine for me.such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't workWTF.
Also works just fine for me.Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installationThen just disable that (on my laptop I don't bother, but I do on my server).Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?No.
Different people simply have different experiences.See, just like your content-free post, mine is populated entirely by anecdotes and very little actual data because, in the end, the distro one chooses is based on one's experiences.
For example, I find Ubuntu works fantastically on my laptop, provides a nice integrated desktop (provided you change the WM to something more useful, like xmonad), handles closed source drivers really well, handles media wonderfully (the fact that it automatically downloads codecs was a revelation the first time I saw it), and in general *just works*.
Yup, upgrading from version to version occasionally results in breakages (Jaunty -&gt; Karmic was easily the worst... prior to that I've had pretty good experiences just upgrading in place, though I tend to re-install these days), but those issues are usually worked out fairly quickly.Oh, and for the record, I've been using Linux for about 15 years, now, starting with Slackware, which I downloaded from a local BBS onto floppies using the modem-equipped PC at my old school, so I've seen the breadth and depth of Linux distros (not to mention BSD and Windows).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31598024</id>
	<title>I'm really enjoying Lucid.</title>
	<author>tthomas48</author>
	<datestamp>1269447240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been enjoying Lucid a lot. The graphical finishes are really nice, and the social integration really is the first feature that I think makes Linux a nicer GUI to use than either Windows or OSX.</p><p>Can't wait for gnome-shell. Been playing with it a bit, and while not ready for prime-time quite yet, Linux is really moving into being a leader rather than a follower for the first time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been enjoying Lucid a lot .
The graphical finishes are really nice , and the social integration really is the first feature that I think makes Linux a nicer GUI to use than either Windows or OSX.Ca n't wait for gnome-shell .
Been playing with it a bit , and while not ready for prime-time quite yet , Linux is really moving into being a leader rather than a follower for the first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been enjoying Lucid a lot.
The graphical finishes are really nice, and the social integration really is the first feature that I think makes Linux a nicer GUI to use than either Windows or OSX.Can't wait for gnome-shell.
Been playing with it a bit, and while not ready for prime-time quite yet, Linux is really moving into being a leader rather than a follower for the first time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594994</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1269425400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>I have everything maximized all the time anyway</i> </p><p>Why?  What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?  I've seen it many times, but I've never understood it.</p></div><p>Windows users can only use one application at a time since it's not possible to work on a windows that's not on the top (always drives me crazy when I'm stuck on a Windows machine). So most of them are used to maximising everything. Of course lots of people also have small screens (if only on compact laptops).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have everything maximized all the time anyway Why ?
What 's the point of having more than one window open if everything 's always maximized ?
I 've seen it many times , but I 've never understood it.Windows users can only use one application at a time since it 's not possible to work on a windows that 's not on the top ( always drives me crazy when I 'm stuck on a Windows machine ) .
So most of them are used to maximising everything .
Of course lots of people also have small screens ( if only on compact laptops ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I have everything maximized all the time anyway Why?
What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?
I've seen it many times, but I've never understood it.Windows users can only use one application at a time since it's not possible to work on a windows that's not on the top (always drives me crazy when I'm stuck on a Windows machine).
So most of them are used to maximising everything.
Of course lots of people also have small screens (if only on compact laptops).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31601602</id>
	<title>Re:Window Buttons</title>
	<author>Professional Slacker</author>
	<datestamp>1269460320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Very easily? </p></div><p>Yes.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So it's a multichoice box somewhere in the GUI then?</p></div><p> No.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The non-easy solution was to modify or make a gconf key. Is that really the easy way of doing it?</p></div><p>Nope.<br>
<br>
Just use Ubuntu Tweak and quit complaining. It's even easier than a dropdown box, you just drag the buttons around, and they change in real time. Before you complain that they're third party, think about the name for one second, the tool for tweaking Ubuntu is named Ubuntu Tweak, what more do you really want.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very easily ?
Yes.So it 's a multichoice box somewhere in the GUI then ?
No.The non-easy solution was to modify or make a gconf key .
Is that really the easy way of doing it ? Nope .
Just use Ubuntu Tweak and quit complaining .
It 's even easier than a dropdown box , you just drag the buttons around , and they change in real time .
Before you complain that they 're third party , think about the name for one second , the tool for tweaking Ubuntu is named Ubuntu Tweak , what more do you really want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very easily?
Yes.So it's a multichoice box somewhere in the GUI then?
No.The non-easy solution was to modify or make a gconf key.
Is that really the easy way of doing it?Nope.
Just use Ubuntu Tweak and quit complaining.
It's even easier than a dropdown box, you just drag the buttons around, and they change in real time.
Before you complain that they're third party, think about the name for one second, the tool for tweaking Ubuntu is named Ubuntu Tweak, what more do you really want.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31601626</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>SheeEttin</author>
	<datestamp>1269460440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And it takes all of five seconds to enter the command...
<tt>sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it takes all of five seconds to enter the command.. . sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it takes all of five seconds to enter the command...
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594232</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>Punto</author>
	<datestamp>1269368400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe someone wrote a twitter backend for syslog?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe someone wrote a twitter backend for syslog ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe someone wrote a twitter backend for syslog?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593096</id>
	<title>Window Buttons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and the difference between 9.10 &amp; 10.04 Beta are the window buttons, which are now on the top left corner.

Seriously, there's a major flame war on this in the "Ubuntu Blogosphere". Don't these these bloggers have anything else to do, other than obsess over the placement of window buttons? (Which can be very easily reverted back to original way)</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and the difference between 9.10 &amp; 10.04 Beta are the window buttons , which are now on the top left corner .
Seriously , there 's a major flame war on this in the " Ubuntu Blogosphere " .
Do n't these these bloggers have anything else to do , other than obsess over the placement of window buttons ?
( Which can be very easily reverted back to original way )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and the difference between 9.10 &amp; 10.04 Beta are the window buttons, which are now on the top left corner.
Seriously, there's a major flame war on this in the "Ubuntu Blogosphere".
Don't these these bloggers have anything else to do, other than obsess over the placement of window buttons?
(Which can be very easily reverted back to original way)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31598090</id>
	<title>Re:Window Buttons</title>
	<author>dsmithhfx</author>
	<datestamp>1269447480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The way in which windows are controlled matters a great deal.</p></div><p>Not enough to go off frothing at the mouth...

I use XP, Tiger, Leopard, and several Linux distros (including 2 'buntu releases) pretty much every day.

Have done for many years.

So no, the way in which windows are controlled [among these many variants] matters very litle to me on any practical, and aesthetic level. YMMV (obviously).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The way in which windows are controlled matters a great deal.Not enough to go off frothing at the mouth.. . I use XP , Tiger , Leopard , and several Linux distros ( including 2 'buntu releases ) pretty much every day .
Have done for many years .
So no , the way in which windows are controlled [ among these many variants ] matters very litle to me on any practical , and aesthetic level .
YMMV ( obviously ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way in which windows are controlled matters a great deal.Not enough to go off frothing at the mouth...

I use XP, Tiger, Leopard, and several Linux distros (including 2 'buntu releases) pretty much every day.
Have done for many years.
So no, the way in which windows are controlled [among these many variants] matters very litle to me on any practical, and aesthetic level.
YMMV (obviously).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31635298</id>
	<title>beta</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269613860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ralink wireless in the averatec 2300 dont work very good.</p><p>Just in case you have one of these and was going to play with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ralink wireless in the averatec 2300 dont work very good.Just in case you have one of these and was going to play with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ralink wireless in the averatec 2300 dont work very good.Just in case you have one of these and was going to play with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594118</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>ProfessionalCookie</author>
	<datestamp>1269367080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or maybe it makes sense to have the most commonly used buttons on the corners of the window, that would be my guess anyway.  <p>Actually I think splitting the controls (a la MacOS 9?) makes a good deal of sense, especially since you'd never really use them in sequence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe it makes sense to have the most commonly used buttons on the corners of the window , that would be my guess anyway .
Actually I think splitting the controls ( a la MacOS 9 ?
) makes a good deal of sense , especially since you 'd never really use them in sequence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe it makes sense to have the most commonly used buttons on the corners of the window, that would be my guess anyway.
Actually I think splitting the controls (a la MacOS 9?
) makes a good deal of sense, especially since you'd never really use them in sequence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31598030</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1269447300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I know this is going to seem like trolling, but humour me here. What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
At the time when I started using ubuntu, ca. 2005, there were two reasons I liked it: (1) apt, and (2) a usable set of up to date packages (as opposed to debian's loooong release cycle).
</p><blockquote><div><p>I used both Jaunty and Intrepid; Jaunty for probably two months. I've been using Linux for 15 years now, and I honestly feel that Ubuntu was, without any hyperbole, the single worst Linux distribution that I've ever seen. I absolutely hated it.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Yes, if your experience started with Intrepid and Jaunty, then this reaction is very reasonable. They're both terrible releases.
</p><blockquote><div><p>Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
If you can get sound to work at all, then you're one up on me. Sound is completely broken for me in Karmic.
</p><blockquote><div><p>with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system, were the three main reasons. I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't. I generally use Ratpoison in either Linux or FreeBSD.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Yep. I use fluxbox, and I'm experiencing similar problems. Lots of functionality simply doesn't work in any desktop other than gnome.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is going to seem like trolling , but humour me here .
What is it , that people honestly see in this distribution ?
At the time when I started using ubuntu , ca .
2005 , there were two reasons I liked it : ( 1 ) apt , and ( 2 ) a usable set of up to date packages ( as opposed to debian 's loooong release cycle ) .
I used both Jaunty and Intrepid ; Jaunty for probably two months .
I 've been using Linux for 15 years now , and I honestly feel that Ubuntu was , without any hyperbole , the single worst Linux distribution that I 've ever seen .
I absolutely hated it .
Yes , if your experience started with Intrepid and Jaunty , then this reaction is very reasonable .
They 're both terrible releases .
Sound ( ALSA ) dropping out randomly and continually If you can get sound to work at all , then you 're one up on me .
Sound is completely broken for me in Karmic .
with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system , were the three main reasons .
I do n't like Gnome at all , and when I tried to remove it , rapidly found that I could n't .
I generally use Ratpoison in either Linux or FreeBSD .
Yep. I use fluxbox , and I 'm experiencing similar problems .
Lots of functionality simply does n't work in any desktop other than gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is going to seem like trolling, but humour me here.
What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?
At the time when I started using ubuntu, ca.
2005, there were two reasons I liked it: (1) apt, and (2) a usable set of up to date packages (as opposed to debian's loooong release cycle).
I used both Jaunty and Intrepid; Jaunty for probably two months.
I've been using Linux for 15 years now, and I honestly feel that Ubuntu was, without any hyperbole, the single worst Linux distribution that I've ever seen.
I absolutely hated it.
Yes, if your experience started with Intrepid and Jaunty, then this reaction is very reasonable.
They're both terrible releases.
Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually

If you can get sound to work at all, then you're one up on me.
Sound is completely broken for me in Karmic.
with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system, were the three main reasons.
I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.
I generally use Ratpoison in either Linux or FreeBSD.
Yep. I use fluxbox, and I'm experiencing similar problems.
Lots of functionality simply doesn't work in any desktop other than gnome.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31601690</id>
	<title>Re:f1rst p0st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269460680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You gotta love how they blatantly lie and say the new UI was inspired by "light". What the fuck does that even mean? They're trying to be all metaphysical and enlightened and shit.</p><p>All I see is a UI that was almost directly lifted from Linux Mint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got ta love how they blatantly lie and say the new UI was inspired by " light " .
What the fuck does that even mean ?
They 're trying to be all metaphysical and enlightened and shit.All I see is a UI that was almost directly lifted from Linux Mint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gotta love how they blatantly lie and say the new UI was inspired by "light".
What the fuck does that even mean?
They're trying to be all metaphysical and enlightened and shit.All I see is a UI that was almost directly lifted from Linux Mint.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594038</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>michael1221988</author>
	<datestamp>1269366420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because it is not an operating system.  It is a distro</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it is not an operating system .
It is a distro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it is not an operating system.
It is a distro</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593180</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pure speculation, but it could be that their goal is to order the window buttons in *increasing* order of their impact on the window, so that the easiest to click button merely resizes the window rather than of taking it away or destroying it.  This arguably makes more sense then the OSX interface where the easiest button to click of the three is the one that gets rid of your window.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pure speculation , but it could be that their goal is to order the window buttons in * increasing * order of their impact on the window , so that the easiest to click button merely resizes the window rather than of taking it away or destroying it .
This arguably makes more sense then the OSX interface where the easiest button to click of the three is the one that gets rid of your window .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pure speculation, but it could be that their goal is to order the window buttons in *increasing* order of their impact on the window, so that the easiest to click button merely resizes the window rather than of taking it away or destroying it.
This arguably makes more sense then the OSX interface where the easiest button to click of the three is the one that gets rid of your window.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599602</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>danieltdp</author>
	<datestamp>1269452940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Welcome to the new age.  Social networking is getting more hits than search apps *and* sex. We are obsolete, my firend...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the new age .
Social networking is getting more hits than search apps * and * sex .
We are obsolete , my firend.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the new age.
Social networking is getting more hits than search apps *and* sex.
We are obsolete, my firend...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31597602</id>
	<title>Question for the lusers out there.</title>
	<author>rcuhljr</author>
	<datestamp>1269445560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm finally getting around to setting up a webserver/ftp box and was going to throw Ubuntu on it when I ran into the following bug <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521387" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521387</a> [launchpad.net] Now apparently it's fixed in a higher kernel used in the lynx, while the kernel I have under 9.10 is 2.6.31-20. Is there a relatively pain free way to get this fix under 9.10? or should I just stick with the centOS I put on the box instead until lynx comes out?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm finally getting around to setting up a webserver/ftp box and was going to throw Ubuntu on it when I ran into the following bug https : //bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ + bug/521387 [ launchpad.net ] Now apparently it 's fixed in a higher kernel used in the lynx , while the kernel I have under 9.10 is 2.6.31-20 .
Is there a relatively pain free way to get this fix under 9.10 ?
or should I just stick with the centOS I put on the box instead until lynx comes out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm finally getting around to setting up a webserver/ftp box and was going to throw Ubuntu on it when I ran into the following bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521387 [launchpad.net] Now apparently it's fixed in a higher kernel used in the lynx, while the kernel I have under 9.10 is 2.6.31-20.
Is there a relatively pain free way to get this fix under 9.10?
or should I just stick with the centOS I put on the box instead until lynx comes out?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596532</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Xyde</author>
	<datestamp>1269440040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fitts law only applies at screen boundaries - how are any one of the buttons easier to click than another?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fitts law only applies at screen boundaries - how are any one of the buttons easier to click than another ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fitts law only applies at screen boundaries - how are any one of the buttons easier to click than another?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593642</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269363000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not only that but Mark's Comments towards the end of <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633?comments=all" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">this bug report</a> [launchpad.net] posted in <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1635205/Open-Source-Is-Not-a-Democracy" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">a previous slashdot story</a> [slashdot.org] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.</p><p>There's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark can't come up with one reason to move them, just a lot of nonsense about "his plans" which he doesn't want to share.</p></div><p>He is absolutely not being a dick.  Just take a look at the rubbish people are throwing his way.  Nothing he's said could be considered harsh to any but the most sensitive and fragile of souls out there and it's usually those fragile fools throwing the most mud.</p><p>The design team made a decision, and they've said they'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what's going on is cry babies with their, "Listen to me, I want it this way, just because, and if you don't do what I say then I'll take my bat and ball and use another distro."</p><p>It's fine to take the view that you don't like where the buttons are and it's easily changed too.  Just because someone wont do what you want just by crying and screaming at them via bug reports, etc. without being reasonable is hardly unusual.  If I demand you to stop reading Slashdot just cause I want you to with no good reason and being a baby while I ask would rightly be met with a no.  It's not the end of the world where the buttons are now and there's a way to put them where you want.  How most of the posters can justify their positions on this in any way mystifies me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that but Mark 's Comments towards the end of this bug report [ launchpad.net ] posted in a previous slashdot story [ slashdot.org ] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.There 's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark ca n't come up with one reason to move them , just a lot of nonsense about " his plans " which he does n't want to share.He is absolutely not being a dick .
Just take a look at the rubbish people are throwing his way .
Nothing he 's said could be considered harsh to any but the most sensitive and fragile of souls out there and it 's usually those fragile fools throwing the most mud.The design team made a decision , and they 've said they 'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what 's going on is cry babies with their , " Listen to me , I want it this way , just because , and if you do n't do what I say then I 'll take my bat and ball and use another distro .
" It 's fine to take the view that you do n't like where the buttons are and it 's easily changed too .
Just because someone wont do what you want just by crying and screaming at them via bug reports , etc .
without being reasonable is hardly unusual .
If I demand you to stop reading Slashdot just cause I want you to with no good reason and being a baby while I ask would rightly be met with a no .
It 's not the end of the world where the buttons are now and there 's a way to put them where you want .
How most of the posters can justify their positions on this in any way mystifies me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that but Mark's Comments towards the end of this bug report [launchpad.net] posted in a previous slashdot story [slashdot.org] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.There's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark can't come up with one reason to move them, just a lot of nonsense about "his plans" which he doesn't want to share.He is absolutely not being a dick.
Just take a look at the rubbish people are throwing his way.
Nothing he's said could be considered harsh to any but the most sensitive and fragile of souls out there and it's usually those fragile fools throwing the most mud.The design team made a decision, and they've said they'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what's going on is cry babies with their, "Listen to me, I want it this way, just because, and if you don't do what I say then I'll take my bat and ball and use another distro.
"It's fine to take the view that you don't like where the buttons are and it's easily changed too.
Just because someone wont do what you want just by crying and screaming at them via bug reports, etc.
without being reasonable is hardly unusual.
If I demand you to stop reading Slashdot just cause I want you to with no good reason and being a baby while I ask would rightly be met with a no.
It's not the end of the world where the buttons are now and there's a way to put them where you want.
How most of the posters can justify their positions on this in any way mystifies me.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31607118</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1269449160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try <a href="http://wiki.lxde.org/" title="lxde.org" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.lxde.org/</a> [lxde.org] You'll not regret</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try http : //wiki.lxde.org/ [ lxde.org ] You 'll not regret</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try http://wiki.lxde.org/ [lxde.org] You'll not regret</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31601164</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1269458760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Murderous Marmot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Murderous Marmot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Murderous Marmot</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596460</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>sheph</author>
	<datestamp>1269439620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see (sane and rational) people switching distros over this.  I don't like the idea that they are going to move the buttons because I'm used to it being the way it is now.  However, I'll upgrade when it's out of beta, and if I don't like it I can reconfigure it to work the old way.  That's the wonderful thing about linux, if you don't like the way it works out of the box total control is at your finger tips, and only limited by your inclination to learn.  If you are going to be limited to the out of the box configuration you might as well stick with Windows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see ( sane and rational ) people switching distros over this .
I do n't like the idea that they are going to move the buttons because I 'm used to it being the way it is now .
However , I 'll upgrade when it 's out of beta , and if I do n't like it I can reconfigure it to work the old way .
That 's the wonderful thing about linux , if you do n't like the way it works out of the box total control is at your finger tips , and only limited by your inclination to learn .
If you are going to be limited to the out of the box configuration you might as well stick with Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see (sane and rational) people switching distros over this.
I don't like the idea that they are going to move the buttons because I'm used to it being the way it is now.
However, I'll upgrade when it's out of beta, and if I don't like it I can reconfigure it to work the old way.
That's the wonderful thing about linux, if you don't like the way it works out of the box total control is at your finger tips, and only limited by your inclination to learn.
If you are going to be limited to the out of the box configuration you might as well stick with Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594838</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269463680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It moves away from the previous style based on the colour [strikeout]brown[/strikeout], which was known as 'Human', in favour of a style that Canonical has said is inspired by [underscore]light[/underscore]."</p><p>Hmmm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It moves away from the previous style based on the colour [ strikeout ] brown [ /strikeout ] , which was known as 'Human ' , in favour of a style that Canonical has said is inspired by [ underscore ] light [ /underscore ] .
" Hmmm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It moves away from the previous style based on the colour [strikeout]brown[/strikeout], which was known as 'Human', in favour of a style that Canonical has said is inspired by [underscore]light[/underscore].
"Hmmm.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599470</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1269452400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?</p><p>On the Windows OS you can have windows maximized and simply swap between them using the taskbar.  On the Mac OS the dropdown Finder window marked with an Apple serves a similar function.  On AmigaOS it's done with <i>Amiga</i>-M and N key combo.   -   So yeah I keep my windows maximized too.  It makes it easier to rapidly and easily flip between programs.</p><p><b>LTS</b></p><p>Quesiton: This means "long term support" right?  As a desktop user do I really care that 10.0 has three years support versus the later 10.1's standard length?  As long as I keep upgrading I don't see why the "LTS" designation matters?  (Unless I've got an old 128 megabyte machine which refuses to run later versions.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; What 's the point of having more than one window open if everything 's always maximized ? On the Windows OS you can have windows maximized and simply swap between them using the taskbar .
On the Mac OS the dropdown Finder window marked with an Apple serves a similar function .
On AmigaOS it 's done with Amiga-M and N key combo .
- So yeah I keep my windows maximized too .
It makes it easier to rapidly and easily flip between programs.LTSQuesiton : This means " long term support " right ?
As a desktop user do I really care that 10.0 has three years support versus the later 10.1 's standard length ?
As long as I keep upgrading I do n't see why the " LTS " designation matters ?
( Unless I 've got an old 128 megabyte machine which refuses to run later versions .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?On the Windows OS you can have windows maximized and simply swap between them using the taskbar.
On the Mac OS the dropdown Finder window marked with an Apple serves a similar function.
On AmigaOS it's done with Amiga-M and N key combo.
-   So yeah I keep my windows maximized too.
It makes it easier to rapidly and easily flip between programs.LTSQuesiton: This means "long term support" right?
As a desktop user do I really care that 10.0 has three years support versus the later 10.1's standard length?
As long as I keep upgrading I don't see why the "LTS" designation matters?
(Unless I've got an old 128 megabyte machine which refuses to run later versions.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593246</id>
	<title>Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>kai\_hiwatari</author>
	<datestamp>1269359760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMGZZZ!!! Lucid Lynx enters beta!!!

is slashdot having a slow news day today?</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMGZZZ ! ! !
Lucid Lynx enters beta ! ! !
is slashdot having a slow news day today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMGZZZ!!!
Lucid Lynx enters beta!!!
is slashdot having a slow news day today?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594140</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269367200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Masturbating Monkey</p></div><p>Mutilated Macaque?<br>Masochistic Marsupial?<br>Macabre Meerkat?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Masturbating MonkeyMutilated Macaque ? Masochistic Marsupial ? Macabre Meerkat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masturbating MonkeyMutilated Macaque?Masochistic Marsupial?Macabre Meerkat?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594820</id>
	<title>Re:One step forward, two steps back</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1269463380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget that this is the beta. Normally these are the sort of things that are fixed by a late (for Ubuntu)/ early (for the driver) binary release. That has at least been the case several times before, I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same now. I'm pretty sure this is considered a release critical bug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget that this is the beta .
Normally these are the sort of things that are fixed by a late ( for Ubuntu ) / early ( for the driver ) binary release .
That has at least been the case several times before , I would n't be surprised if it is the same now .
I 'm pretty sure this is considered a release critical bug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget that this is the beta.
Normally these are the sort of things that are fixed by a late (for Ubuntu)/ early (for the driver) binary release.
That has at least been the case several times before, I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same now.
I'm pretty sure this is considered a release critical bug.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594404</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>Dice</author>
	<datestamp>1269370320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lololol RT @adamofgreyskull<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sda5<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/tmp nosuid,noexec,nodev 0 0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lololol RT @ adamofgreyskull /dev/sda5 /tmp nosuid,noexec,nodev 0 0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lololol RT @adamofgreyskull /dev/sda5 /tmp nosuid,noexec,nodev 0 0</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31608914</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>dpastern</author>
	<datestamp>1269522720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are just well...lemmings.  I remember when Ubuntu came out, and all the Gnome lovers came out of the woodworks to unite under the one distro to fight off the KDE ass kicking they were getting.  I'm not a fan of Ubuntu for many reasons - I believe a distribution shouldn't favour one desktop environment over another, but should offer the major ones, and let users *choose* what they like.  Kubuntu has been a p.o.s since the word dot, it's utter crap.  And it's not officially part of Ubuntu either, it's a fork, using KDE.  It's like a afterbirth variant of Ubuntu, but not done right.</p><p>Ubuntu has a strong sense (like Gnome) of dumbing things down, to the point of reducing the users ability to have any sane reasoning when it comes to configuring.  It also looks ugly (to my eyes).  GTK is horrid, always has been, always will be.  There's a reason why you don't see many commercial applications using GTK, but many using QT.  It's far easier to work with by all accounts, far more stable, and far nicer on the eye.  Ubuntu's forums are horrid.  I remember trying it on my laptop around a year ago.  I dislike sudo, so I disabled it, and enabled su.  This broke several of the Ubuntu administration tools.  So, I posted a post asking if anyone had encountered this before and had any ideas.  After 5 minutes (I had just joined the forums), I got an official warning from a mod for talking about disabling sudo!  WTF!!!!!!!!  I basically told the mod where to shove it and promptly uninstalled Ubuntu.  I don't like, or recommend it.</p><p>I remember the good old days of Libranet - v3 shitted on Ubuntu.  And it had a development team of just 2!  I wish it had survived, and maybe the owner (Tal Danzig) had been smarter and better priced Libranet 3.</p><p>Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are just well...lemmings .
I remember when Ubuntu came out , and all the Gnome lovers came out of the woodworks to unite under the one distro to fight off the KDE ass kicking they were getting .
I 'm not a fan of Ubuntu for many reasons - I believe a distribution should n't favour one desktop environment over another , but should offer the major ones , and let users * choose * what they like .
Kubuntu has been a p.o.s since the word dot , it 's utter crap .
And it 's not officially part of Ubuntu either , it 's a fork , using KDE .
It 's like a afterbirth variant of Ubuntu , but not done right.Ubuntu has a strong sense ( like Gnome ) of dumbing things down , to the point of reducing the users ability to have any sane reasoning when it comes to configuring .
It also looks ugly ( to my eyes ) .
GTK is horrid , always has been , always will be .
There 's a reason why you do n't see many commercial applications using GTK , but many using QT .
It 's far easier to work with by all accounts , far more stable , and far nicer on the eye .
Ubuntu 's forums are horrid .
I remember trying it on my laptop around a year ago .
I dislike sudo , so I disabled it , and enabled su .
This broke several of the Ubuntu administration tools .
So , I posted a post asking if anyone had encountered this before and had any ideas .
After 5 minutes ( I had just joined the forums ) , I got an official warning from a mod for talking about disabling sudo !
WTF ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I basically told the mod where to shove it and promptly uninstalled Ubuntu .
I do n't like , or recommend it.I remember the good old days of Libranet - v3 shitted on Ubuntu .
And it had a development team of just 2 !
I wish it had survived , and maybe the owner ( Tal Danzig ) had been smarter and better priced Libranet 3.Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are just well...lemmings.
I remember when Ubuntu came out, and all the Gnome lovers came out of the woodworks to unite under the one distro to fight off the KDE ass kicking they were getting.
I'm not a fan of Ubuntu for many reasons - I believe a distribution shouldn't favour one desktop environment over another, but should offer the major ones, and let users *choose* what they like.
Kubuntu has been a p.o.s since the word dot, it's utter crap.
And it's not officially part of Ubuntu either, it's a fork, using KDE.
It's like a afterbirth variant of Ubuntu, but not done right.Ubuntu has a strong sense (like Gnome) of dumbing things down, to the point of reducing the users ability to have any sane reasoning when it comes to configuring.
It also looks ugly (to my eyes).
GTK is horrid, always has been, always will be.
There's a reason why you don't see many commercial applications using GTK, but many using QT.
It's far easier to work with by all accounts, far more stable, and far nicer on the eye.
Ubuntu's forums are horrid.
I remember trying it on my laptop around a year ago.
I dislike sudo, so I disabled it, and enabled su.
This broke several of the Ubuntu administration tools.
So, I posted a post asking if anyone had encountered this before and had any ideas.
After 5 minutes (I had just joined the forums), I got an official warning from a mod for talking about disabling sudo!
WTF!!!!!!!!  I basically told the mod where to shove it and promptly uninstalled Ubuntu.
I don't like, or recommend it.I remember the good old days of Libranet - v3 shitted on Ubuntu.
And it had a development team of just 2!
I wish it had survived, and maybe the owner (Tal Danzig) had been smarter and better priced Libranet 3.Dave</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31613192</id>
	<title>Re:One step forward, two steps back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269540240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fglrx has not been compatible with Ubuntu's X server since 9.10, because it has dependencies that fundamentally conflict with Intel. Canonical (wisely, I think) chose to package the Intel-compatible X server. You can find the fglrx-compatible X server in ppa with a bit of Googling. I have successfully run fglrx in 9.10 for many months now. Granted, they should document this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fglrx has not been compatible with Ubuntu 's X server since 9.10 , because it has dependencies that fundamentally conflict with Intel .
Canonical ( wisely , I think ) chose to package the Intel-compatible X server .
You can find the fglrx-compatible X server in ppa with a bit of Googling .
I have successfully run fglrx in 9.10 for many months now .
Granted , they should document this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fglrx has not been compatible with Ubuntu's X server since 9.10, because it has dependencies that fundamentally conflict with Intel.
Canonical (wisely, I think) chose to package the Intel-compatible X server.
You can find the fglrx-compatible X server in ppa with a bit of Googling.
I have successfully run fglrx in 9.10 for many months now.
Granted, they should document this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593204</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as I can easily switch it back to how it currently is, I don't really care.  I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind the switch besides pissing off current users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as I can easily switch it back to how it currently is , I do n't really care .
I 'm not sure what the reasoning is behind the switch besides pissing off current users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as I can easily switch it back to how it currently is, I don't really care.
I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind the switch besides pissing off current users.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31650098</id>
	<title>Why do people care about the buttons?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269769380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>   I've been coming across this massive ball of hate on the topic of the button movement for the new Ubuntu release but I don't really understand what all the hullabaloo is about. First of all, this could just be a way for Ubuntu to distinguish itself from the rest of the pack. Second of all I don't find that it affects functionality at all. At first it took some getting used to but after that it seemed natural. This move also makes sense when you think about the fact that the notifications appear in the upper right corner covering up the buttons in a standard layout. Also the indicator applet, the notification tray, and the clock applet are all situated at the right of the top panel. The indicator applet, the clock applet, the volume applet, some notification apps have drop down menus that would cover the controls if they remained at the right side (although arguably, the application list drops down on top of it now). For those people who say that they often close the application while trying to click on the edit, or file, or whatever menu they are trying to access do they really? Has computing become so much about motor memory that we don't even look before clicking? And as one of the commenters above noted,  many programs will warn you that you are about to close the program before actually closing.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I find it disheartening that this one minor, and it is minor, issue is taking away from all the good things that are coming in this release. Things that include:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - window transparency via new gtk<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - extra pane option in nautilus (hit F3)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - out of the box (experimental) 3d acceleration for ATI Radeon R600/700 cards<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - integration of easy access to social networking straight from the desktop<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - much faster boot speeds<br>
&nbsp; Of course it's not all good. There are some things I find in Lynx that are much greater annoyances (and unchangeable, unlike the button layout). For example:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Rhythmbox can no longer be minimized to the notification area<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Proprietary ATI drivers don't mash well (not really Ubuntu's fault, heard it was a kernel or X issue)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Panels moved to the left or right of the screen look hideous<br>I would like to say that I am a relatively new convert to the Linux world, having only dabbled in it for a few years. I personally think that Ubuntu is not only growing but maturing as well. While I have found that Linux, specifically, has met most of my needs, it is not perfect. But, what operating system is. Also an a note related to this post, I've found that overall the Linux community is very supportive and helpful. One thing I do no like though is the fervour in which topics like this get argued, it does not reflect well on the community. In concluding I would like to make a few statement/questions. If people are genuinely angry about the design decisions made by the Ubuntu team they are free to use a different distribution, create a branch of Ubuntu (it is GPL'd after all), or return to windows. Was there this much fuss when apple set out the left hand button layout? Yes it's different but is different bad?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been coming across this massive ball of hate on the topic of the button movement for the new Ubuntu release but I do n't really understand what all the hullabaloo is about .
First of all , this could just be a way for Ubuntu to distinguish itself from the rest of the pack .
Second of all I do n't find that it affects functionality at all .
At first it took some getting used to but after that it seemed natural .
This move also makes sense when you think about the fact that the notifications appear in the upper right corner covering up the buttons in a standard layout .
Also the indicator applet , the notification tray , and the clock applet are all situated at the right of the top panel .
The indicator applet , the clock applet , the volume applet , some notification apps have drop down menus that would cover the controls if they remained at the right side ( although arguably , the application list drops down on top of it now ) .
For those people who say that they often close the application while trying to click on the edit , or file , or whatever menu they are trying to access do they really ?
Has computing become so much about motor memory that we do n't even look before clicking ?
And as one of the commenters above noted , many programs will warn you that you are about to close the program before actually closing .
    I find it disheartening that this one minor , and it is minor , issue is taking away from all the good things that are coming in this release .
Things that include :       - window transparency via new gtk       - extra pane option in nautilus ( hit F3 )       - out of the box ( experimental ) 3d acceleration for ATI Radeon R600/700 cards       - integration of easy access to social networking straight from the desktop       - much faster boot speeds   Of course it 's not all good .
There are some things I find in Lynx that are much greater annoyances ( and unchangeable , unlike the button layout ) .
For example :       - Rhythmbox can no longer be minimized to the notification area       - Proprietary ATI drivers do n't mash well ( not really Ubuntu 's fault , heard it was a kernel or X issue )       - Panels moved to the left or right of the screen look hideousI would like to say that I am a relatively new convert to the Linux world , having only dabbled in it for a few years .
I personally think that Ubuntu is not only growing but maturing as well .
While I have found that Linux , specifically , has met most of my needs , it is not perfect .
But , what operating system is .
Also an a note related to this post , I 've found that overall the Linux community is very supportive and helpful .
One thing I do no like though is the fervour in which topics like this get argued , it does not reflect well on the community .
In concluding I would like to make a few statement/questions .
If people are genuinely angry about the design decisions made by the Ubuntu team they are free to use a different distribution , create a branch of Ubuntu ( it is GPL 'd after all ) , or return to windows .
Was there this much fuss when apple set out the left hand button layout ?
Yes it 's different but is different bad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   I've been coming across this massive ball of hate on the topic of the button movement for the new Ubuntu release but I don't really understand what all the hullabaloo is about.
First of all, this could just be a way for Ubuntu to distinguish itself from the rest of the pack.
Second of all I don't find that it affects functionality at all.
At first it took some getting used to but after that it seemed natural.
This move also makes sense when you think about the fact that the notifications appear in the upper right corner covering up the buttons in a standard layout.
Also the indicator applet, the notification tray, and the clock applet are all situated at the right of the top panel.
The indicator applet, the clock applet, the volume applet, some notification apps have drop down menus that would cover the controls if they remained at the right side (although arguably, the application list drops down on top of it now).
For those people who say that they often close the application while trying to click on the edit, or file, or whatever menu they are trying to access do they really?
Has computing become so much about motor memory that we don't even look before clicking?
And as one of the commenters above noted,  many programs will warn you that you are about to close the program before actually closing.
    I find it disheartening that this one minor, and it is minor, issue is taking away from all the good things that are coming in this release.
Things that include:
      - window transparency via new gtk
      - extra pane option in nautilus (hit F3)
      - out of the box (experimental) 3d acceleration for ATI Radeon R600/700 cards
      - integration of easy access to social networking straight from the desktop
      - much faster boot speeds
  Of course it's not all good.
There are some things I find in Lynx that are much greater annoyances (and unchangeable, unlike the button layout).
For example:
      - Rhythmbox can no longer be minimized to the notification area
      - Proprietary ATI drivers don't mash well (not really Ubuntu's fault, heard it was a kernel or X issue)
      - Panels moved to the left or right of the screen look hideousI would like to say that I am a relatively new convert to the Linux world, having only dabbled in it for a few years.
I personally think that Ubuntu is not only growing but maturing as well.
While I have found that Linux, specifically, has met most of my needs, it is not perfect.
But, what operating system is.
Also an a note related to this post, I've found that overall the Linux community is very supportive and helpful.
One thing I do no like though is the fervour in which topics like this get argued, it does not reflect well on the community.
In concluding I would like to make a few statement/questions.
If people are genuinely angry about the design decisions made by the Ubuntu team they are free to use a different distribution, create a branch of Ubuntu (it is GPL'd after all), or return to windows.
Was there this much fuss when apple set out the left hand button layout?
Yes it's different but is different bad?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596454</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269439620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or it could be that their goal was simply to take the upper-right-corner window controls, and slide them to the left corner without changing how they were laid out at all.</p><p>Given Linux's laser-like focus on elegant UI design, I'm guessing that's the case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or it could be that their goal was simply to take the upper-right-corner window controls , and slide them to the left corner without changing how they were laid out at all.Given Linux 's laser-like focus on elegant UI design , I 'm guessing that 's the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or it could be that their goal was simply to take the upper-right-corner window controls, and slide them to the left corner without changing how they were laid out at all.Given Linux's laser-like focus on elegant UI design, I'm guessing that's the case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596120</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>jijacob</author>
	<datestamp>1269437460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>He mentioned Maximus and Window-Picker-Applet, and mentions it is on his MSI Wind.  Netbooks really don't have the screen real-estate to *not* maximize everything (except maybe a buddy list).</htmltext>
<tokenext>He mentioned Maximus and Window-Picker-Applet , and mentions it is on his MSI Wind .
Netbooks really do n't have the screen real-estate to * not * maximize everything ( except maybe a buddy list ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He mentioned Maximus and Window-Picker-Applet, and mentions it is on his MSI Wind.
Netbooks really don't have the screen real-estate to *not* maximize everything (except maybe a buddy list).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599692</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>LateArthurDent</author>
	<datestamp>1269453240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why? Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually</p></div><p>Haven't had that problem.  I guess don't use ALSA directly, use it through PulseAudio.  I know there's a lot of complaints about PulseAudio, but I had problems with audio in linux for a very long time, and PulseAudio made all the problems just go away.  So maybe it'd be good for you, or maybe it breaks everything like it does for some other people.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>kernel panics from nVidia drivers</p></div><p>Haven't had that problem.  If it happens for you, isn't that an nvidia issue, if you're talking about the proprietary drivers, and an issue with whoever makes the open source drivers if not?  What about ubuntu would make them work differently?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>completely non-orthagonal design, with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system</p></div><p>Well, Ubuntu is not for you, then.  It's designed for people who don't have much Linux experience, so they don't know that they have choices, and aren't expected to make them.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.</p></div><p>If you remove gnome, you're going to miss out on a whole bunch of administrative applications they've designed to work really well with gnome (again, because it's aimed for people who have no linux experience, and they never need to drop to the command-line).  That said, they don't prevent you from removing it, and never have.  I've removed gnome before.  It also removes the gnome-desktop meta-package which automatically includes all those applications I was talking about.  If you do want all the power of those options, and are annoyed by the choices they make for you, Debian is a better choice for a distro.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart, and the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can, purely for the hell of it, such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work.</p></div><p>Heh...I guess Debian's not for you, then.  Although, I have to say you're insane.  What the hell is wrong with upstart?  It's backward compatible with init, so you don't even need to do anything differently if you want to do things by hand.  And fstab not working?  Debian and Ubuntu respect fstab just fine.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Hard drives get mounted some other way, that I wasn't able to find.</p></div><p>It's called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev" title="wikipedia.org">udev</a> [wikipedia.org].  Are you still using a 2.4 kernel or something?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation, leading to the infamous "black screen of death."</p> </div><p>No, it does not remove any such ability.  If you know enough to debug a faulty installation, you know how to edit the grub menu at bootup and remove those.  If you're a normal computer user, the text is just gibberish anyway.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?</p></div><p>It's an easy-to-use system and you know where everything is.  So you can give it to your computer illiterate friend as a replacement for windows, and when he calls you up with questions about how to get something to work, you don't have to ask, "are you running kde or gnome?" You can just tell him, "what do you want to do?  Ah, install an office app?  Go to Applications / Add-Remove Software / navigate to Office."  I had my parents switch from Windows to Ubuntu years ago, and I don't have to support them nearly as much as I had to in the windows days.  Hell, Windows is still installed on their machine as dual-boot, but they've been asking me to remove it next time I'm town, so they can claim the extra disk space.</p><p>Choices are great.  The first choice you need to make if Ubuntu's default choices are not for you is to <b>choose another distro</b>.  It's still the single best distribution to give to anyone that is new to Linux, and the simplicity of use is just fine for people who know what they are doing and are fine with the choices canonical made.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
Sound ( ALSA ) dropping out randomly and continuallyHave n't had that problem .
I guess do n't use ALSA directly , use it through PulseAudio .
I know there 's a lot of complaints about PulseAudio , but I had problems with audio in linux for a very long time , and PulseAudio made all the problems just go away .
So maybe it 'd be good for you , or maybe it breaks everything like it does for some other people.kernel panics from nVidia driversHave n't had that problem .
If it happens for you , is n't that an nvidia issue , if you 're talking about the proprietary drivers , and an issue with whoever makes the open source drivers if not ?
What about ubuntu would make them work differently ? completely non-orthagonal design , with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the systemWell , Ubuntu is not for you , then .
It 's designed for people who do n't have much Linux experience , so they do n't know that they have choices , and are n't expected to make them.I do n't like Gnome at all , and when I tried to remove it , rapidly found that I could n't.If you remove gnome , you 're going to miss out on a whole bunch of administrative applications they 've designed to work really well with gnome ( again , because it 's aimed for people who have no linux experience , and they never need to drop to the command-line ) .
That said , they do n't prevent you from removing it , and never have .
I 've removed gnome before .
It also removes the gnome-desktop meta-package which automatically includes all those applications I was talking about .
If you do want all the power of those options , and are annoyed by the choices they make for you , Debian is a better choice for a distro.Then there 's the horrid mess that is upstart , and the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can , purely for the hell of it , such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part does n't work.Heh...I guess Debian 's not for you , then .
Although , I have to say you 're insane .
What the hell is wrong with upstart ?
It 's backward compatible with init , so you do n't even need to do anything differently if you want to do things by hand .
And fstab not working ?
Debian and Ubuntu respect fstab just fine.Hard drives get mounted some other way , that I was n't able to find.It 's called udev [ wikipedia.org ] .
Are you still using a 2.4 kernel or something ? Add to that , the " quiet splash , " options in GRUB , which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation , leading to the infamous " black screen of death .
" No , it does not remove any such ability .
If you know enough to debug a faulty installation , you know how to edit the grub menu at bootup and remove those .
If you 're a normal computer user , the text is just gibberish anyway.Are people really so superficial , that a nice shiny Gnome theme ( for the first few minutes before the system dies , at least ) is the only thing that is considered important ? It 's an easy-to-use system and you know where everything is .
So you can give it to your computer illiterate friend as a replacement for windows , and when he calls you up with questions about how to get something to work , you do n't have to ask , " are you running kde or gnome ?
" You can just tell him , " what do you want to do ?
Ah , install an office app ?
Go to Applications / Add-Remove Software / navigate to Office .
" I had my parents switch from Windows to Ubuntu years ago , and I do n't have to support them nearly as much as I had to in the windows days .
Hell , Windows is still installed on their machine as dual-boot , but they 've been asking me to remove it next time I 'm town , so they can claim the extra disk space.Choices are great .
The first choice you need to make if Ubuntu 's default choices are not for you is to choose another distro .
It 's still the single best distribution to give to anyone that is new to Linux , and the simplicity of use is just fine for people who know what they are doing and are fine with the choices canonical made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continuallyHaven't had that problem.
I guess don't use ALSA directly, use it through PulseAudio.
I know there's a lot of complaints about PulseAudio, but I had problems with audio in linux for a very long time, and PulseAudio made all the problems just go away.
So maybe it'd be good for you, or maybe it breaks everything like it does for some other people.kernel panics from nVidia driversHaven't had that problem.
If it happens for you, isn't that an nvidia issue, if you're talking about the proprietary drivers, and an issue with whoever makes the open source drivers if not?
What about ubuntu would make them work differently?completely non-orthagonal design, with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the systemWell, Ubuntu is not for you, then.
It's designed for people who don't have much Linux experience, so they don't know that they have choices, and aren't expected to make them.I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.If you remove gnome, you're going to miss out on a whole bunch of administrative applications they've designed to work really well with gnome (again, because it's aimed for people who have no linux experience, and they never need to drop to the command-line).
That said, they don't prevent you from removing it, and never have.
I've removed gnome before.
It also removes the gnome-desktop meta-package which automatically includes all those applications I was talking about.
If you do want all the power of those options, and are annoyed by the choices they make for you, Debian is a better choice for a distro.Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart, and the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can, purely for the hell of it, such that even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work.Heh...I guess Debian's not for you, then.
Although, I have to say you're insane.
What the hell is wrong with upstart?
It's backward compatible with init, so you don't even need to do anything differently if you want to do things by hand.
And fstab not working?
Debian and Ubuntu respect fstab just fine.Hard drives get mounted some other way, that I wasn't able to find.It's called udev [wikipedia.org].
Are you still using a 2.4 kernel or something?Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation, leading to the infamous "black screen of death.
" No, it does not remove any such ability.
If you know enough to debug a faulty installation, you know how to edit the grub menu at bootup and remove those.
If you're a normal computer user, the text is just gibberish anyway.Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?It's an easy-to-use system and you know where everything is.
So you can give it to your computer illiterate friend as a replacement for windows, and when he calls you up with questions about how to get something to work, you don't have to ask, "are you running kde or gnome?
" You can just tell him, "what do you want to do?
Ah, install an office app?
Go to Applications / Add-Remove Software / navigate to Office.
"  I had my parents switch from Windows to Ubuntu years ago, and I don't have to support them nearly as much as I had to in the windows days.
Hell, Windows is still installed on their machine as dual-boot, but they've been asking me to remove it next time I'm town, so they can claim the extra disk space.Choices are great.
The first choice you need to make if Ubuntu's default choices are not for you is to choose another distro.
It's still the single best distribution to give to anyone that is new to Linux, and the simplicity of use is just fine for people who know what they are doing and are fine with the choices canonical made.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599398</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1269452160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Morose Mongoose I bet.</p><p>Maybe Moronic Moose (Bullwinkle?)</p><p>or Metaphysical Mallard</p><p>or Mickey Mouse! (sue)<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Morose Mongoose I bet.Maybe Moronic Moose ( Bullwinkle ?
) or Metaphysical Mallardor Mickey Mouse !
( sue )  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Morose Mongoose I bet.Maybe Moronic Moose (Bullwinkle?
)or Metaphysical Mallardor Mickey Mouse!
(sue)
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595856</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>FictionPimp</author>
	<datestamp>1269435600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>99\% of the time, close is the only button I want to use. Putting it in a corner makes it easier on the muscle memory imho.

Honestly, if this was not easily fixable by switching themes I would not use ubuntu and move to something else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>99 \ % of the time , close is the only button I want to use .
Putting it in a corner makes it easier on the muscle memory imho .
Honestly , if this was not easily fixable by switching themes I would not use ubuntu and move to something else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>99\% of the time, close is the only button I want to use.
Putting it in a corner makes it easier on the muscle memory imho.
Honestly, if this was not easily fixable by switching themes I would not use ubuntu and move to something else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594816</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1269463320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>this is olds, not news</p></div></blockquote><p>Buh-dum ching!</p><p>(Sorry, I couldn't resist)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is olds , not newsBuh-dum ching !
( Sorry , I could n't resist )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is olds, not newsBuh-dum ching!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31607898</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>rtega</author>
	<datestamp>1269507720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I've had none of the problems you have.

For example, I'm running fluxbox on ubuntu, no GNOME. It didn't take ages to setup, just a few seconds. GNOME is absolutely not hard welded to the system, contrary to what you are saying. Probably  you haven't been looking too well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had none of the problems you have .
For example , I 'm running fluxbox on ubuntu , no GNOME .
It did n't take ages to setup , just a few seconds .
GNOME is absolutely not hard welded to the system , contrary to what you are saying .
Probably you have n't been looking too well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had none of the problems you have.
For example, I'm running fluxbox on ubuntu, no GNOME.
It didn't take ages to setup, just a few seconds.
GNOME is absolutely not hard welded to the system, contrary to what you are saying.
Probably  you haven't been looking too well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599292</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Seq</author>
	<datestamp>1269451740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>kernel panics from nVidia drivers</p></div><p>This is somewhat nvidia's fault. Now that I can't boot Lucid on my laptop due to nouveau causing some sort of freeze could probably be levelled at Ubuntu, but I'm no better off with Fedora or any other distro shipping nouveau.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and the completely non-orthagonal design</p></div><p>I'm not quite sure what this is implying. It seems that you think they should only be assembling pieces, whereas they have been criticised for often doing just that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system, were the three main reasons.  I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.</p></div><p>I run a few headless Ubuntu boxes, a kubuntu box, and my regular Ubuntu workstation. Only one of those has Gnome.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart</p></div><p>I haven't seen any problems with upstart. It seems to be generally welcomed by the community, adopted by Fedora and Debian. It even also preserves sysv compatibility so you can keep your non-upstart init scripts.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(...) basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work.  Hard drives get mounted some other way, that I wasn't able to find.</p></div><p>I can't comment on Debian's tendancy to change stuff "for the hell of it" (they usually have a reason), but Ubuntu still uses fstab. The only change I can think of is the addition of UUID support (which may or may not have gone upstream. I didn't follow that). fstab still works the same way as it always has.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installation</p></div><p>Press 'e' at grub and remove "quiet splash". Or change your grub preferences to never include it. So what if a perfectly reasonable default doesn't suit your particular desires. I don't really want to see boot messages every time I boot, but it is trivially easy to get them back if there is trouble.</p><p>So, yes. It does seem like you're trolling.</p></div>
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<tokenext>kernel panics from nVidia driversThis is somewhat nvidia 's fault .
Now that I ca n't boot Lucid on my laptop due to nouveau causing some sort of freeze could probably be levelled at Ubuntu , but I 'm no better off with Fedora or any other distro shipping nouveau.and the completely non-orthagonal designI 'm not quite sure what this is implying .
It seems that you think they should only be assembling pieces , whereas they have been criticised for often doing just that.with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system , were the three main reasons .
I do n't like Gnome at all , and when I tried to remove it , rapidly found that I could n't.I run a few headless Ubuntu boxes , a kubuntu box , and my regular Ubuntu workstation .
Only one of those has Gnome.Then there 's the horrid mess that is upstartI have n't seen any problems with upstart .
It seems to be generally welcomed by the community , adopted by Fedora and Debian .
It even also preserves sysv compatibility so you can keep your non-upstart init scripts. ( .. .
) basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part does n't work .
Hard drives get mounted some other way , that I was n't able to find.I ca n't comment on Debian 's tendancy to change stuff " for the hell of it " ( they usually have a reason ) , but Ubuntu still uses fstab .
The only change I can think of is the addition of UUID support ( which may or may not have gone upstream .
I did n't follow that ) .
fstab still works the same way as it always has.Add to that , the " quiet splash , " options in GRUB , which remove the ability to debug a faulty installationPress 'e ' at grub and remove " quiet splash " .
Or change your grub preferences to never include it .
So what if a perfectly reasonable default does n't suit your particular desires .
I do n't really want to see boot messages every time I boot , but it is trivially easy to get them back if there is trouble.So , yes .
It does seem like you 're trolling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kernel panics from nVidia driversThis is somewhat nvidia's fault.
Now that I can't boot Lucid on my laptop due to nouveau causing some sort of freeze could probably be levelled at Ubuntu, but I'm no better off with Fedora or any other distro shipping nouveau.and the completely non-orthagonal designI'm not quite sure what this is implying.
It seems that you think they should only be assembling pieces, whereas they have been criticised for often doing just that.with Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system, were the three main reasons.
I don't like Gnome at all, and when I tried to remove it, rapidly found that I couldn't.I run a few headless Ubuntu boxes, a kubuntu box, and my regular Ubuntu workstation.
Only one of those has Gnome.Then there's the horrid mess that is upstartI haven't seen any problems with upstart.
It seems to be generally welcomed by the community, adopted by Fedora and Debian.
It even also preserves sysv compatibility so you can keep your non-upstart init scripts.(...
) basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work.
Hard drives get mounted some other way, that I wasn't able to find.I can't comment on Debian's tendancy to change stuff "for the hell of it" (they usually have a reason), but Ubuntu still uses fstab.
The only change I can think of is the addition of UUID support (which may or may not have gone upstream.
I didn't follow that).
fstab still works the same way as it always has.Add to that, the "quiet splash," options in GRUB, which remove the ability to debug a faulty installationPress 'e' at grub and remove "quiet splash".
Or change your grub preferences to never include it.
So what if a perfectly reasonable default doesn't suit your particular desires.
I don't really want to see boot messages every time I boot, but it is trivially easy to get them back if there is trouble.So, yes.
It does seem like you're trolling.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593068</id>
	<title>f1rst p0st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269358380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fuck this shit, i'm going to fedora.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fuck this shit , i 'm going to fedora .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fuck this shit, i'm going to fedora.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593154</id>
	<title>Used it for a few days..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>... and I like it!<br>Boot times are FAST on my laptop down to 27s (85s booting on 9.04)<br></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and I like it ! Boot times are FAST on my laptop down to 27s ( 85s booting on 9.04 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and I like it!Boot times are FAST on my laptop down to 27s (85s booting on 9.04)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593174</id>
	<title>Music Store</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1269359160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was excited about the Ubuntu One Music Store but then I found out it is gimped in Canada: indie artists only.  So once again record labels keep my money out of their pockets!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was excited about the Ubuntu One Music Store but then I found out it is gimped in Canada : indie artists only .
So once again record labels keep my money out of their pockets !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was excited about the Ubuntu One Music Store but then I found out it is gimped in Canada: indie artists only.
So once again record labels keep my money out of their pockets!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596608</id>
	<title>Re:Window Buttons</title>
	<author>Duncan J Murray</author>
	<datestamp>1269440520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would disagree with you, though I was initially concerned that they were swapping the buttons around.</p><p>Giving 10.04 a proper go, I find that the fact that these commonly used buttons placed near to other commonly used buttons (applications and places menu and menu and buttons of the application) means that there's less skirting around with the mouse.  Whereas there is usually not that much of use in the top right - shutdown and restart etc...</p><p>Maybe it's a good idea.</p><p>Plus, it reminds me of another favourite OS - Workbench 3.1</p><p>Duncan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would disagree with you , though I was initially concerned that they were swapping the buttons around.Giving 10.04 a proper go , I find that the fact that these commonly used buttons placed near to other commonly used buttons ( applications and places menu and menu and buttons of the application ) means that there 's less skirting around with the mouse .
Whereas there is usually not that much of use in the top right - shutdown and restart etc...Maybe it 's a good idea.Plus , it reminds me of another favourite OS - Workbench 3.1Duncan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would disagree with you, though I was initially concerned that they were swapping the buttons around.Giving 10.04 a proper go, I find that the fact that these commonly used buttons placed near to other commonly used buttons (applications and places menu and menu and buttons of the application) means that there's less skirting around with the mouse.
Whereas there is usually not that much of use in the top right - shutdown and restart etc...Maybe it's a good idea.Plus, it reminds me of another favourite OS - Workbench 3.1Duncan.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31597190</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>shadowbearer</author>
	<datestamp>1269443940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Ubuntu for the last four distributions and have never experienced a single one of the problems you describe.</p><p>SB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Ubuntu for the last four distributions and have never experienced a single one of the problems you describe.SB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Ubuntu for the last four distributions and have never experienced a single one of the problems you describe.SB</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595630</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>dancingmilk</author>
	<datestamp>1269433260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kubuntu works great for those folks that don't care for Gnome. Perhaps you should try it before going all apeshit on the distro and complaining about it.</p><p>5 seconds of research on Google shows how to use Ubuntu without Gnome.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sigh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kubuntu works great for those folks that do n't care for Gnome .
Perhaps you should try it before going all apeshit on the distro and complaining about it.5 seconds of research on Google shows how to use Ubuntu without Gnome .
/sigh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kubuntu works great for those folks that don't care for Gnome.
Perhaps you should try it before going all apeshit on the distro and complaining about it.5 seconds of research on Google shows how to use Ubuntu without Gnome.
/sigh</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593198</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I have everything maximized all the time anyway</i> <p>
Why?  What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?  I've seen it many times, but I've never understood it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have everything maximized all the time anyway Why ?
What 's the point of having more than one window open if everything 's always maximized ?
I 've seen it many times , but I 've never understood it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have everything maximized all the time anyway 
Why?
What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?
I've seen it many times, but I've never understood it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593266</id>
	<title>Re:Window Buttons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Don't these these bloggers have anything else to do, other than obsess over the placement of window buttons?</p></div></blockquote><p>Ubuntu is the mainstream Linux GUI and it uses windows to display applications. The way in which windows are controlled matters a great deal. As Shuttleworth says it's not a democracy and he can choose, but all software has users and if they're not convinced that changes are made for the best reasons then of course they're going to do what they're allowed to do: talk about it.

</p><p>This change hasn't been justified on any grounds. It puts the 'Close' button near the 'File' menu and other drop-downs which makes it easier to misclick and close applications. It's not a common layout across WIMP GUIs. It's an unnecessary and pointless variation on what people expect.</p><blockquote><div><p>(Which can be very easily reverted back to original way)</p></div></blockquote><p>Very easily? So it's a multichoice box somewhere in the GUI then?

</p><p>The non-easy solution was to modify or make a gconf key. Is that really the easy way of doing it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't these these bloggers have anything else to do , other than obsess over the placement of window buttons ? Ubuntu is the mainstream Linux GUI and it uses windows to display applications .
The way in which windows are controlled matters a great deal .
As Shuttleworth says it 's not a democracy and he can choose , but all software has users and if they 're not convinced that changes are made for the best reasons then of course they 're going to do what they 're allowed to do : talk about it .
This change has n't been justified on any grounds .
It puts the 'Close ' button near the 'File ' menu and other drop-downs which makes it easier to misclick and close applications .
It 's not a common layout across WIMP GUIs .
It 's an unnecessary and pointless variation on what people expect .
( Which can be very easily reverted back to original way ) Very easily ?
So it 's a multichoice box somewhere in the GUI then ?
The non-easy solution was to modify or make a gconf key .
Is that really the easy way of doing it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't these these bloggers have anything else to do, other than obsess over the placement of window buttons?Ubuntu is the mainstream Linux GUI and it uses windows to display applications.
The way in which windows are controlled matters a great deal.
As Shuttleworth says it's not a democracy and he can choose, but all software has users and if they're not convinced that changes are made for the best reasons then of course they're going to do what they're allowed to do: talk about it.
This change hasn't been justified on any grounds.
It puts the 'Close' button near the 'File' menu and other drop-downs which makes it easier to misclick and close applications.
It's not a common layout across WIMP GUIs.
It's an unnecessary and pointless variation on what people expect.
(Which can be very easily reverted back to original way)Very easily?
So it's a multichoice box somewhere in the GUI then?
The non-easy solution was to modify or make a gconf key.
Is that really the easy way of doing it?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31597972</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269447060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know this is going to seem like trolling, but humour me here.  What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?</p><p>I used both Jaunty and Intrepid...</p></div><p>There are really, really good Ubuntu versions and there are bad Ubuntu versions. Jaunty and Intrepid is among the worst (just be glad that you didn't try Karmic Koala). I've been a rather faithful user of Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog (5.4) and I seriously consider switching to another distribution. Hardy Heron is currently the only good (but not exceptional) Ubuntu version still supported and its support is withdrawn soon.</p><p>Ubuntu used to have a really good user community, maybe even the best user community a Linux distribution ever had. That has been the main reason I stuck with Ubuntu. But I'm Swedish and the Swedish language Ubuntu community has been diveded into at least two (I don't care enough too keep the count any more), both with different and very crappy and constantly rearranged websites (to try to post any content to them is like trying to hit a fly with a bullet, only involvoing more bureaucracy). Now I mostly search the English, German or French language Ubuntu communities when I need help with something, and they seem to deteriorate too.</p><p>As Ubuntu develops (or whatever you want to call it), the old forum answers and tutorials gets outdated and no one creates more up to date, good ones. It is possible Ubuntu is dying of old age.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is going to seem like trolling , but humour me here .
What is it , that people honestly see in this distribution ? I used both Jaunty and Intrepid...There are really , really good Ubuntu versions and there are bad Ubuntu versions .
Jaunty and Intrepid is among the worst ( just be glad that you did n't try Karmic Koala ) .
I 've been a rather faithful user of Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog ( 5.4 ) and I seriously consider switching to another distribution .
Hardy Heron is currently the only good ( but not exceptional ) Ubuntu version still supported and its support is withdrawn soon.Ubuntu used to have a really good user community , maybe even the best user community a Linux distribution ever had .
That has been the main reason I stuck with Ubuntu .
But I 'm Swedish and the Swedish language Ubuntu community has been diveded into at least two ( I do n't care enough too keep the count any more ) , both with different and very crappy and constantly rearranged websites ( to try to post any content to them is like trying to hit a fly with a bullet , only involvoing more bureaucracy ) .
Now I mostly search the English , German or French language Ubuntu communities when I need help with something , and they seem to deteriorate too.As Ubuntu develops ( or whatever you want to call it ) , the old forum answers and tutorials gets outdated and no one creates more up to date , good ones .
It is possible Ubuntu is dying of old age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is going to seem like trolling, but humour me here.
What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?I used both Jaunty and Intrepid...There are really, really good Ubuntu versions and there are bad Ubuntu versions.
Jaunty and Intrepid is among the worst (just be glad that you didn't try Karmic Koala).
I've been a rather faithful user of Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog (5.4) and I seriously consider switching to another distribution.
Hardy Heron is currently the only good (but not exceptional) Ubuntu version still supported and its support is withdrawn soon.Ubuntu used to have a really good user community, maybe even the best user community a Linux distribution ever had.
That has been the main reason I stuck with Ubuntu.
But I'm Swedish and the Swedish language Ubuntu community has been diveded into at least two (I don't care enough too keep the count any more), both with different and very crappy and constantly rearranged websites (to try to post any content to them is like trying to hit a fly with a bullet, only involvoing more bureaucracy).
Now I mostly search the English, German or French language Ubuntu communities when I need help with something, and they seem to deteriorate too.As Ubuntu develops (or whatever you want to call it), the old forum answers and tutorials gets outdated and no one creates more up to date, good ones.
It is possible Ubuntu is dying of old age.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31636398</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269621120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and Facebook</p></div><p>Why should an <i>operating system</i> "integrate" with a social networking service?</p></div><p>Another lesson from Canonical: learn how to not use new "features"!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter , identi.ca and FacebookWhy should an operating system " integrate " with a social networking service ? Another lesson from Canonical : learn how to not use new " features " !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and FacebookWhy should an operating system "integrate" with a social networking service?Another lesson from Canonical: learn how to not use new "features"!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596036</id>
	<title>Re:I'm using Lucid Lynx Beta...</title>
	<author>iwbcman</author>
	<datestamp>1269437040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you telling me that right-clicking on the networkmanager icon in the panel, selecting edit connections, selecting your network connection, hitting Edit and then and switching to the IPV4 Settings tab, changing Method from DHCP to Manual and the pressing Add and entering your ip Address, Netmask and Gateway and filling in DNS servers doesn't work? like it has for the past 2 years?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you telling me that right-clicking on the networkmanager icon in the panel , selecting edit connections , selecting your network connection , hitting Edit and then and switching to the IPV4 Settings tab , changing Method from DHCP to Manual and the pressing Add and entering your ip Address , Netmask and Gateway and filling in DNS servers does n't work ?
like it has for the past 2 years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you telling me that right-clicking on the networkmanager icon in the panel, selecting edit connections, selecting your network connection, hitting Edit and then and switching to the IPV4 Settings tab, changing Method from DHCP to Manual and the pressing Add and entering your ip Address, Netmask and Gateway and filling in DNS servers doesn't work?
like it has for the past 2 years?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31607628</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269457980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its amazing the power people ascribe to a Chief Operational Officer. I guess he could have withheld the pay checks from the design team, at least until the boss smacked him around a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its amazing the power people ascribe to a Chief Operational Officer .
I guess he could have withheld the pay checks from the design team , at least until the boss smacked him around a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its amazing the power people ascribe to a Chief Operational Officer.
I guess he could have withheld the pay checks from the design team, at least until the boss smacked him around a bit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596670</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>maugle</author>
	<datestamp>1269440820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The idea is to free up space on the right-hand side to make room for some cool stuff coming in the next version of Ubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is to free up space on the right-hand side to make room for some cool stuff coming in the next version of Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is to free up space on the right-hand side to make room for some cool stuff coming in the next version of Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594172</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu One-liner of the Year: 2010</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1269367500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
That would be like Microsoft getting a complaint about  the  Internet Explorer  icon being buried in the Start menu, instead of the Quick launch bar or Desktop, where the user was comfortable with it.
</p><p>
And  (supposing drag and drop is not implemented) offering the work around
</p><p>
Start &gt; Run &gt; Cmd
</p><p>
shortcut -t "\%programfiles\%\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"  -n "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\Launch Internet Explorer.lnk"
</p><p>
Problem solved!   Status:  CLOSED,   Resolution:  INVALID /  WONTFIX   (see workaround)
</p><p>
See, when there is a workaround available,  anyone who cares about having the icon on quicklaunch bar  (even people who have limited/no internet access, and limited computer knowledge),  will just know to search and find this bug,   apply the workaround, and be done with it.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be like Microsoft getting a complaint about the Internet Explorer icon being buried in the Start menu , instead of the Quick launch bar or Desktop , where the user was comfortable with it .
And ( supposing drag and drop is not implemented ) offering the work around Start &gt; Run &gt; Cmd shortcut -t " \ % programfiles \ % \ Internet Explorer \ iexplore.exe " -n " C : \ Documents and Settings \ All Users \ Application Data \ Microsoft \ Internet Explorer \ Quick Launch \ Launch Internet Explorer.lnk " Problem solved !
Status : CLOSED , Resolution : INVALID / WONTFIX ( see workaround ) See , when there is a workaround available , anyone who cares about having the icon on quicklaunch bar ( even people who have limited/no internet access , and limited computer knowledge ) , will just know to search and find this bug , apply the workaround , and be done with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
That would be like Microsoft getting a complaint about  the  Internet Explorer  icon being buried in the Start menu, instead of the Quick launch bar or Desktop, where the user was comfortable with it.
And  (supposing drag and drop is not implemented) offering the work around

Start &gt; Run &gt; Cmd

shortcut -t "\%programfiles\%\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"  -n "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\Launch Internet Explorer.lnk"

Problem solved!
Status:  CLOSED,   Resolution:  INVALID /  WONTFIX   (see workaround)

See, when there is a workaround available,  anyone who cares about having the icon on quicklaunch bar  (even people who have limited/no internet access, and limited computer knowledge),  will just know to search and find this bug,   apply the workaround, and be done with it.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593182</id>
	<title>Re:f1rst p0st</title>
	<author>VoltageX</author>
	<datestamp>1269359220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is possibly more insightful than it seems. Canonical seem to be pushing more and more in their own direction, rather than anything the Ubuntu community does. This is good for Ubuntu, but potentially bad for users as more and more changes are made to the GNOME interface, the browser etc etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is possibly more insightful than it seems .
Canonical seem to be pushing more and more in their own direction , rather than anything the Ubuntu community does .
This is good for Ubuntu , but potentially bad for users as more and more changes are made to the GNOME interface , the browser etc etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is possibly more insightful than it seems.
Canonical seem to be pushing more and more in their own direction, rather than anything the Ubuntu community does.
This is good for Ubuntu, but potentially bad for users as more and more changes are made to the GNOME interface, the browser etc etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594424</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269370620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The design team made a decision, and they've said they'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what's going on is cry babies with their, "Listen to me, I want it this way, just because,</p></div></blockquote><p>That's total bullshit. What's really happening is Mark is saying "I want it on the left, just because".</p><p>READ IT. I count more then 10 reasonable reasons for keeping the buttons on the right. Now read Mark's reasons for changing it. There are none! All he says is he is planning something for that space. What!?!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The design team made a decision , and they 've said they 'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what 's going on is cry babies with their , " Listen to me , I want it this way , just because,That 's total bullshit .
What 's really happening is Mark is saying " I want it on the left , just because " .READ IT .
I count more then 10 reasonable reasons for keeping the buttons on the right .
Now read Mark 's reasons for changing it .
There are none !
All he says is he is planning something for that space .
What ! ? !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The design team made a decision, and they've said they'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what's going on is cry babies with their, "Listen to me, I want it this way, just because,That's total bullshit.
What's really happening is Mark is saying "I want it on the left, just because".READ IT.
I count more then 10 reasonable reasons for keeping the buttons on the right.
Now read Mark's reasons for changing it.
There are none!
All he says is he is planning something for that space.
What!?!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31600574</id>
	<title>Re:One step forward, two steps back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269456480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just from what you posted, I don't get your problem. Ubuntu didn't break it, X Server project broke it. Nvidia and Ati write drivers for specific version of X Server (Duh, right?), so in theory if there is an update to X Server it would more than likely "break" any driver for Ati or Nvidia, especially if the installer or driver does any check to see if it is compatible with the current version of X Server which seems pretty reasonable to me. Are you arguing that Ubuntu should not keep up with X server unless Nvidia is ready with their non-free special purpose component, or that X Server just should not do updates?<br>
&nbsp; <br>I think the best solution is that Nvidia needs to build a time machine and find out what future versions of X are going to look like so they can write the driver as the same as X Server is being developed so you don't have to be pissed off or confused when your beta doesn't work perfectly.<br>
&nbsp; <br>As far as whether a month is appropriate amount of time, I got an idea: How about you fix it then tell us from your experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just from what you posted , I do n't get your problem .
Ubuntu did n't break it , X Server project broke it .
Nvidia and Ati write drivers for specific version of X Server ( Duh , right ?
) , so in theory if there is an update to X Server it would more than likely " break " any driver for Ati or Nvidia , especially if the installer or driver does any check to see if it is compatible with the current version of X Server which seems pretty reasonable to me .
Are you arguing that Ubuntu should not keep up with X server unless Nvidia is ready with their non-free special purpose component , or that X Server just should not do updates ?
  I think the best solution is that Nvidia needs to build a time machine and find out what future versions of X are going to look like so they can write the driver as the same as X Server is being developed so you do n't have to be pissed off or confused when your beta does n't work perfectly .
  As far as whether a month is appropriate amount of time , I got an idea : How about you fix it then tell us from your experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just from what you posted, I don't get your problem.
Ubuntu didn't break it, X Server project broke it.
Nvidia and Ati write drivers for specific version of X Server (Duh, right?
), so in theory if there is an update to X Server it would more than likely "break" any driver for Ati or Nvidia, especially if the installer or driver does any check to see if it is compatible with the current version of X Server which seems pretty reasonable to me.
Are you arguing that Ubuntu should not keep up with X server unless Nvidia is ready with their non-free special purpose component, or that X Server just should not do updates?
  I think the best solution is that Nvidia needs to build a time machine and find out what future versions of X are going to look like so they can write the driver as the same as X Server is being developed so you don't have to be pissed off or confused when your beta doesn't work perfectly.
  As far as whether a month is appropriate amount of time, I got an idea: How about you fix it then tell us from your experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31605258</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>c</author>
	<datestamp>1269433140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?</p><p>The short answer? Jaunty was the first Linux distribution which, out-of-the-box, wasn't pure shit on a modern laptop. Now, admittedly Ubuntu may not be unique in that sense... I guess I could try Fedora again. No, wait, I couldn't.</p><p>I don't like Gnome functionally, aesthetically, or philosophically, but since the only really reasonable alternative right now is KDE4, I'm seeing it as the lesser of two evils...</p><p>c.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; What is it , that people honestly see in this distribution ? The short answer ?
Jaunty was the first Linux distribution which , out-of-the-box , was n't pure shit on a modern laptop .
Now , admittedly Ubuntu may not be unique in that sense... I guess I could try Fedora again .
No , wait , I could n't.I do n't like Gnome functionally , aesthetically , or philosophically , but since the only really reasonable alternative right now is KDE4 , I 'm seeing it as the lesser of two evils...c .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; What is it, that people honestly see in this distribution?The short answer?
Jaunty was the first Linux distribution which, out-of-the-box, wasn't pure shit on a modern laptop.
Now, admittedly Ubuntu may not be unique in that sense... I guess I could try Fedora again.
No, wait, I couldn't.I don't like Gnome functionally, aesthetically, or philosophically, but since the only really reasonable alternative right now is KDE4, I'm seeing it as the lesser of two evils...c.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31598890</id>
	<title>Why does Lucid remind me so much of the ...</title>
	<author>stonewolf</author>
	<datestamp>1269450180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Original Macintosh.</p><p>The first Mac was very different from the Apple II. It had a built in screen. A tiny itsy bitsy screen. It had a sealed case. You could not change anything in the hardware without actually *breaking* the case welds. It had not card slots. Card slots were very popular and one of the reasons why people loved the Apple II and why the switched to the PC. I understand the business reasons for those decisions. I also remember that it nearly killed Apple and eventually got Steve Jobs fired.</p><p>The main thing that was wrong with the original Mac was that the entire interface was designed by very young people. No one with old eyes ever tested the Mac before it was released. Jerry Pournelle wrote a scathing review of the Max and pointed out that it would never be accepted by managers, and would therefore fail, because it was designed for young eyes.  The changes that were made to the Lucid UI are just like those made in the Mac UI in that they all work fine for people with young eyes and no muscle memory of how to use a UI.</p><p>Many of the people who *use* Ubuntu, like me, have been using GUI interfaces since the 1980s. I've been using an X based desktop since X11R4. I don't remember UWM, but I was using TWM before it was released to the X consortium. (Tom's cube was just down the way from mine.) The original TWM put buttons on both corners of the screen, but we quickly learned to configure it and... well I can't honestly remember how long it has been since I last used a computer with the window buttons in the upper left hand corner. I will bet that I have been using GUIs since before the designer of the new themes was in kindergarten. Maybe even longer than they have been alive. If you have not done something using a standard interface for 20 or 30 or 40 years (I've been driving for more than 40 years) you do not have any idea what a change like that can do to you. My hand knows where those buttons are. Moving the buttons actually causes me pain in my shoulder and it causes eye strain. (I thought that was very weird too.) Ok, yeah, It didn't take long to fix the problem. But, now I have learned that Shuttleworth plans to put something else in that upper right hand corner. That means I may lose the ability to fix the problem without having to do major surgery. (Which I can do, but why would I waste that much time?)</p><p>So why don't I just get used to it? Look up the concept of "muscle memory" and/or wu wei. After you have done something enough times it becomes as natural as breathing or walking. When you get to that point changing can become hard. Imagine if you suddenly found that you had to be able to drive your car you had to change your breathing so that every other breath had to be twice as long as a normal breath? Would you try to adapt or get the idea that the car company had gone insane?</p><p>The desktop theme has the same problems. The ultra bright backgrounds cause me eye strain from switching from the bright backgrounds to the neutral applications. The color choices make it hard to read text and to hard to tell the where the frames of stacked windows begin and end. So, to begin to be able to use Lucid I first have to apply a 3rd level gnome wizard spell to move the controls and then change the theme. And, I have to do that while using an interface that has become physically painful to use.</p><p>I know these changes were never checked by anyone my age or older. I see this same kind of thing all the time from students who do not understand that the wrong design choices can make a product unusable by the part of the population with the most money to spend. Of course, there is no good way to point out to young designers that they will most likely (if they are lucky) spend 1/2 to 3/4 of their entire life as an "old" person.</p><p>Getting old sucks. But, it beats the alternative.</p><p>Stonewolf</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Original Macintosh.The first Mac was very different from the Apple II .
It had a built in screen .
A tiny itsy bitsy screen .
It had a sealed case .
You could not change anything in the hardware without actually * breaking * the case welds .
It had not card slots .
Card slots were very popular and one of the reasons why people loved the Apple II and why the switched to the PC .
I understand the business reasons for those decisions .
I also remember that it nearly killed Apple and eventually got Steve Jobs fired.The main thing that was wrong with the original Mac was that the entire interface was designed by very young people .
No one with old eyes ever tested the Mac before it was released .
Jerry Pournelle wrote a scathing review of the Max and pointed out that it would never be accepted by managers , and would therefore fail , because it was designed for young eyes .
The changes that were made to the Lucid UI are just like those made in the Mac UI in that they all work fine for people with young eyes and no muscle memory of how to use a UI.Many of the people who * use * Ubuntu , like me , have been using GUI interfaces since the 1980s .
I 've been using an X based desktop since X11R4 .
I do n't remember UWM , but I was using TWM before it was released to the X consortium .
( Tom 's cube was just down the way from mine .
) The original TWM put buttons on both corners of the screen , but we quickly learned to configure it and... well I ca n't honestly remember how long it has been since I last used a computer with the window buttons in the upper left hand corner .
I will bet that I have been using GUIs since before the designer of the new themes was in kindergarten .
Maybe even longer than they have been alive .
If you have not done something using a standard interface for 20 or 30 or 40 years ( I 've been driving for more than 40 years ) you do not have any idea what a change like that can do to you .
My hand knows where those buttons are .
Moving the buttons actually causes me pain in my shoulder and it causes eye strain .
( I thought that was very weird too .
) Ok , yeah , It did n't take long to fix the problem .
But , now I have learned that Shuttleworth plans to put something else in that upper right hand corner .
That means I may lose the ability to fix the problem without having to do major surgery .
( Which I can do , but why would I waste that much time ?
) So why do n't I just get used to it ?
Look up the concept of " muscle memory " and/or wu wei .
After you have done something enough times it becomes as natural as breathing or walking .
When you get to that point changing can become hard .
Imagine if you suddenly found that you had to be able to drive your car you had to change your breathing so that every other breath had to be twice as long as a normal breath ?
Would you try to adapt or get the idea that the car company had gone insane ? The desktop theme has the same problems .
The ultra bright backgrounds cause me eye strain from switching from the bright backgrounds to the neutral applications .
The color choices make it hard to read text and to hard to tell the where the frames of stacked windows begin and end .
So , to begin to be able to use Lucid I first have to apply a 3rd level gnome wizard spell to move the controls and then change the theme .
And , I have to do that while using an interface that has become physically painful to use.I know these changes were never checked by anyone my age or older .
I see this same kind of thing all the time from students who do not understand that the wrong design choices can make a product unusable by the part of the population with the most money to spend .
Of course , there is no good way to point out to young designers that they will most likely ( if they are lucky ) spend 1/2 to 3/4 of their entire life as an " old " person.Getting old sucks .
But , it beats the alternative.Stonewolf</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Original Macintosh.The first Mac was very different from the Apple II.
It had a built in screen.
A tiny itsy bitsy screen.
It had a sealed case.
You could not change anything in the hardware without actually *breaking* the case welds.
It had not card slots.
Card slots were very popular and one of the reasons why people loved the Apple II and why the switched to the PC.
I understand the business reasons for those decisions.
I also remember that it nearly killed Apple and eventually got Steve Jobs fired.The main thing that was wrong with the original Mac was that the entire interface was designed by very young people.
No one with old eyes ever tested the Mac before it was released.
Jerry Pournelle wrote a scathing review of the Max and pointed out that it would never be accepted by managers, and would therefore fail, because it was designed for young eyes.
The changes that were made to the Lucid UI are just like those made in the Mac UI in that they all work fine for people with young eyes and no muscle memory of how to use a UI.Many of the people who *use* Ubuntu, like me, have been using GUI interfaces since the 1980s.
I've been using an X based desktop since X11R4.
I don't remember UWM, but I was using TWM before it was released to the X consortium.
(Tom's cube was just down the way from mine.
) The original TWM put buttons on both corners of the screen, but we quickly learned to configure it and... well I can't honestly remember how long it has been since I last used a computer with the window buttons in the upper left hand corner.
I will bet that I have been using GUIs since before the designer of the new themes was in kindergarten.
Maybe even longer than they have been alive.
If you have not done something using a standard interface for 20 or 30 or 40 years (I've been driving for more than 40 years) you do not have any idea what a change like that can do to you.
My hand knows where those buttons are.
Moving the buttons actually causes me pain in my shoulder and it causes eye strain.
(I thought that was very weird too.
) Ok, yeah, It didn't take long to fix the problem.
But, now I have learned that Shuttleworth plans to put something else in that upper right hand corner.
That means I may lose the ability to fix the problem without having to do major surgery.
(Which I can do, but why would I waste that much time?
)So why don't I just get used to it?
Look up the concept of "muscle memory" and/or wu wei.
After you have done something enough times it becomes as natural as breathing or walking.
When you get to that point changing can become hard.
Imagine if you suddenly found that you had to be able to drive your car you had to change your breathing so that every other breath had to be twice as long as a normal breath?
Would you try to adapt or get the idea that the car company had gone insane?The desktop theme has the same problems.
The ultra bright backgrounds cause me eye strain from switching from the bright backgrounds to the neutral applications.
The color choices make it hard to read text and to hard to tell the where the frames of stacked windows begin and end.
So, to begin to be able to use Lucid I first have to apply a 3rd level gnome wizard spell to move the controls and then change the theme.
And, I have to do that while using an interface that has become physically painful to use.I know these changes were never checked by anyone my age or older.
I see this same kind of thing all the time from students who do not understand that the wrong design choices can make a product unusable by the part of the population with the most money to spend.
Of course, there is no good way to point out to young designers that they will most likely (if they are lucky) spend 1/2 to 3/4 of their entire life as an "old" person.Getting old sucks.
But, it beats the alternative.Stonewolf</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594700</id>
	<title>I for one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269461220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one welcome our new left-buttoned overlord!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new left-buttoned overlord !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new left-buttoned overlord!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593576</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>adamofgreyskull</author>
	<datestamp>1269362460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>My fstab is stored in twitter status messages you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My fstab is stored in twitter status messages you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My fstab is stored in twitter status messages you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593200</id>
	<title>I'm using Lucid Lynx Beta...</title>
	<author>oldmeddler</author>
	<datestamp>1269359280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>...right now. I like it fine, though some changes (moving windows controls to the left side, took a bit of getting used to. The purple scheme sucks but is easy enough to change. There is still a problem with running a fixed IP, or at least there is some trick to making it work properly that I haven't learned yet. It does seem to boot a bit faster, but fast boot times are of little importance to someone who typically runs his computer 24/7.

So far, I see no significant improvements, but more importantly, no noticeable degradations, yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...right now .
I like it fine , though some changes ( moving windows controls to the left side , took a bit of getting used to .
The purple scheme sucks but is easy enough to change .
There is still a problem with running a fixed IP , or at least there is some trick to making it work properly that I have n't learned yet .
It does seem to boot a bit faster , but fast boot times are of little importance to someone who typically runs his computer 24/7 .
So far , I see no significant improvements , but more importantly , no noticeable degradations , yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...right now.
I like it fine, though some changes (moving windows controls to the left side, took a bit of getting used to.
The purple scheme sucks but is easy enough to change.
There is still a problem with running a fixed IP, or at least there is some trick to making it work properly that I haven't learned yet.
It does seem to boot a bit faster, but fast boot times are of little importance to someone who typically runs his computer 24/7.
So far, I see no significant improvements, but more importantly, no noticeable degradations, yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593324</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269360360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>I have everything maximized all the time anyway</i> </p><p>Why?  What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?  I've seen it many times, but I've never understood it.</p></div><p>It makes sense for me on my eeepc 701. The screen is small and I don't want to waste space. I need different windows open for different purposes. For example a shell window and an editor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have everything maximized all the time anyway Why ?
What 's the point of having more than one window open if everything 's always maximized ?
I 've seen it many times , but I 've never understood it.It makes sense for me on my eeepc 701 .
The screen is small and I do n't want to waste space .
I need different windows open for different purposes .
For example a shell window and an editor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I have everything maximized all the time anyway Why?
What's the point of having more than one window open if everything's always maximized?
I've seen it many times, but I've never understood it.It makes sense for me on my eeepc 701.
The screen is small and I don't want to waste space.
I need different windows open for different purposes.
For example a shell window and an editor.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595602</id>
	<title>Re:Window Buttons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269432960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not difficult to change, and a quick google search will show you how to do it already.</p><p>Google "ubuntu 10.04 change window button location"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not difficult to change , and a quick google search will show you how to do it already.Google " ubuntu 10.04 change window button location "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not difficult to change, and a quick google search will show you how to do it already.Google "ubuntu 10.04 change window button location"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594682</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269460980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Not only that but Mark's Comments towards the end of <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633?comments=all" title="launchpad.net">this bug report</a> [launchpad.net] posted in <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/22/1635205/Open-Source-Is-Not-a-Democracy" title="slashdot.org">a previous slashdot story</a> [slashdot.org] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.</p><p>There's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark can't come up with one reason to move them, just a lot of nonsense about "his plans" which he doesn't want to share.</p></div><p>He is absolutely not being a dick.  Just take a look at the rubbish people are throwing his way.  Nothing he's said could be considered harsh to any but the most sensitive and fragile of souls out there and it's usually those fragile fools throwing the most mud.</p><p>The design team made a decision, and they've said they'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what's going on is cry babies with their, "Listen to me, I want it this way, just because, and if you don't do what I say then I'll take my bat and ball and use another distro."</p><p>It's fine to take the view that you don't like where the buttons are and it's easily changed too.  Just because someone wont do what you want just by crying and screaming at them via bug reports, etc. without being reasonable is hardly unusual.  If I demand you to stop reading Slashdot just cause I want you to with no good reason and being a baby while I ask would rightly be met with a no.  It's not the end of the world where the buttons are now and there's a way to put them where you want.  How most of the posters can justify their positions on this in any way mystifies me.</p></div><p>There there, Mark Shuttleworth. You didn't have to post as AC in order to throw your temper-tantrum. We're all friends here. It's okay *soothing, cooing noises*.... You can pu</p></div>
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<tokenext>Not only that but Mark 's Comments towards the end of this bug report [ launchpad.net ] posted in a previous slashdot story [ slashdot.org ] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.There 's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark ca n't come up with one reason to move them , just a lot of nonsense about " his plans " which he does n't want to share.He is absolutely not being a dick .
Just take a look at the rubbish people are throwing his way .
Nothing he 's said could be considered harsh to any but the most sensitive and fragile of souls out there and it 's usually those fragile fools throwing the most mud.The design team made a decision , and they 've said they 'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what 's going on is cry babies with their , " Listen to me , I want it this way , just because , and if you do n't do what I say then I 'll take my bat and ball and use another distro .
" It 's fine to take the view that you do n't like where the buttons are and it 's easily changed too .
Just because someone wont do what you want just by crying and screaming at them via bug reports , etc .
without being reasonable is hardly unusual .
If I demand you to stop reading Slashdot just cause I want you to with no good reason and being a baby while I ask would rightly be met with a no .
It 's not the end of the world where the buttons are now and there 's a way to put them where you want .
How most of the posters can justify their positions on this in any way mystifies me.There there , Mark Shuttleworth .
You did n't have to post as AC in order to throw your temper-tantrum .
We 're all friends here .
It 's okay * soothing , cooing noises * .... You can pu</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that but Mark's Comments towards the end of this bug report [launchpad.net] posted in a previous slashdot story [slashdot.org] have really opened my eyes as to what a dick he really is when talking to his users.There's lots of reasons to keep the close buttons on the right by default and yet Mark can't come up with one reason to move them, just a lot of nonsense about "his plans" which he doesn't want to share.He is absolutely not being a dick.
Just take a look at the rubbish people are throwing his way.
Nothing he's said could be considered harsh to any but the most sensitive and fragile of souls out there and it's usually those fragile fools throwing the most mud.The design team made a decision, and they've said they'll take on board any reasonable criticisms but most of what's going on is cry babies with their, "Listen to me, I want it this way, just because, and if you don't do what I say then I'll take my bat and ball and use another distro.
"It's fine to take the view that you don't like where the buttons are and it's easily changed too.
Just because someone wont do what you want just by crying and screaming at them via bug reports, etc.
without being reasonable is hardly unusual.
If I demand you to stop reading Slashdot just cause I want you to with no good reason and being a baby while I ask would rightly be met with a no.
It's not the end of the world where the buttons are now and there's a way to put them where you want.
How most of the posters can justify their positions on this in any way mystifies me.There there, Mark Shuttleworth.
You didn't have to post as AC in order to throw your temper-tantrum.
We're all friends here.
It's okay *soothing, cooing noises*.... You can pu
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596130</id>
	<title>"the brown human gnome"</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1269437520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Selective quoting ftw!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Selective quoting ftw !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Selective quoting ftw!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595534</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>Compaqt</author>
	<datestamp>1269432060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree this could have been posted a little earlier, but I disagree with those who say an Ubuntu beta isn't news for nerds.</p><p>It is.</p><p>Like it or not, Ubuntu is the <a href="http://distrowatch.com/" title="distrowatch.com" rel="nofollow">top Linux distribution</a> [distrowatch.com], including all of its variants (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.).</p><p>Also, saying that anybody who's interested in Ubuntu would already know about the LTS beta is nonsensical. People have a variety of interests, but that doesn't mean that they're obsessively following Google Updates for all of them. The point of Slashdot is to compile (selected) tech news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree this could have been posted a little earlier , but I disagree with those who say an Ubuntu beta is n't news for nerds.It is.Like it or not , Ubuntu is the top Linux distribution [ distrowatch.com ] , including all of its variants ( Kubuntu , Xubuntu , etc .
) .Also , saying that anybody who 's interested in Ubuntu would already know about the LTS beta is nonsensical .
People have a variety of interests , but that does n't mean that they 're obsessively following Google Updates for all of them .
The point of Slashdot is to compile ( selected ) tech news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree this could have been posted a little earlier, but I disagree with those who say an Ubuntu beta isn't news for nerds.It is.Like it or not, Ubuntu is the top Linux distribution [distrowatch.com], including all of its variants (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
).Also, saying that anybody who's interested in Ubuntu would already know about the LTS beta is nonsensical.
People have a variety of interests, but that doesn't mean that they're obsessively following Google Updates for all of them.
The point of Slashdot is to compile (selected) tech news.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594226</id>
	<title>Re:f1rst p0st</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269368340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>fuck this shit, i'm going to fedora.</p></div><p>I gave it a shot but it was kind of a bitch. It didn't support my wireless card like Ubuntu has for the last 2 years, and that sort of means something these days.</p></div>
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<tokenext>fuck this shit , i 'm going to fedora.I gave it a shot but it was kind of a bitch .
It did n't support my wireless card like Ubuntu has for the last 2 years , and that sort of means something these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fuck this shit, i'm going to fedora.I gave it a shot but it was kind of a bitch.
It didn't support my wireless card like Ubuntu has for the last 2 years, and that sort of means something these days.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595008</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu One-liner of the Year: 2010</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269425820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>gconftool-2 --set<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/apps/metacity/general/button\_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close</p></div><p> <em>Gnome. User friendliness, redefined.</em></p><p>Seriously, what's wrong with those people ? Do they fear that having options will confuse users (I heard that one a lot) ? "oh no, there's a button order option, I felt compelled to click on it and now I'm in existential crisis !"<br>KDE lets you just move the buttons around with the mouse, seems much simpler to me, but what do I know.</p></div>
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<tokenext>gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button \ _layout --type string menu : minimize,maximize,close Gnome .
User friendliness , redefined.Seriously , what 's wrong with those people ?
Do they fear that having options will confuse users ( I heard that one a lot ) ?
" oh no , there 's a button order option , I felt compelled to click on it and now I 'm in existential crisis !
" KDE lets you just move the buttons around with the mouse , seems much simpler to me , but what do I know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button\_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close Gnome.
User friendliness, redefined.Seriously, what's wrong with those people ?
Do they fear that having options will confuse users (I heard that one a lot) ?
"oh no, there's a button order option, I felt compelled to click on it and now I'm in existential crisis !
"KDE lets you just move the buttons around with the mouse, seems much simpler to me, but what do I know.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599710</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269453300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>you really look like a troll.. ratpoison ? usual debian tendency to change absolute everything ?</p><p>if you don't like gnome you are free to change to whatever other wm it's out in the repository; a quick look to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/apt/sources.list will show you how many other choices you have.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and surprise, thanks to the good work of debian you won't get mad at going around to find package dependences becayse aptitude/apt/dselect will solve them as much as possible..<br>try to do that on fedora or other distro.. you'll get mad unless you install.. apt<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>this is good because you can make your own laptop act like a server in a matter of few minutes (configuration excluded).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you really look like a troll.. ratpoison ?
usual debian tendency to change absolute everything ? if you do n't like gnome you are free to change to whatever other wm it 's out in the repository ; a quick look to /etc/apt/sources.list will show you how many other choices you have .
...and surprise , thanks to the good work of debian you wo n't get mad at going around to find package dependences becayse aptitude/apt/dselect will solve them as much as possible..try to do that on fedora or other distro.. you 'll get mad unless you install.. apt : - ) this is good because you can make your own laptop act like a server in a matter of few minutes ( configuration excluded ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you really look like a troll.. ratpoison ?
usual debian tendency to change absolute everything ?if you don't like gnome you are free to change to whatever other wm it's out in the repository; a quick look to /etc/apt/sources.list will show you how many other choices you have.
...and surprise, thanks to the good work of debian you won't get mad at going around to find package dependences becayse aptitude/apt/dselect will solve them as much as possible..try to do that on fedora or other distro.. you'll get mad unless you install.. apt :-)this is good because you can make your own laptop act like a server in a matter of few minutes (configuration excluded).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594374</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1269369780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No one is going to stop you.</p></div><p>I will, damnit!</p><p>Don't you DARE skip an article!</p><p>You don't have to actually read it, just make up some asinine comment and throw it in there somewhere, anywhere is fine.</p></div>
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<tokenext>No one is going to stop you.I will , damnit ! Do n't you DARE skip an article ! You do n't have to actually read it , just make up some asinine comment and throw it in there somewhere , anywhere is fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one is going to stop you.I will, damnit!Don't you DARE skip an article!You don't have to actually read it, just make up some asinine comment and throw it in there somewhere, anywhere is fine.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595318</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269429960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Yeah right, as if they will really use the word 'monkey'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah right , as if they will really use the word 'monkey' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah right, as if they will really use the word 'monkey'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594452</id>
	<title>About those crazy buttons</title>
	<author>steveha</author>
	<datestamp>1269370980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I have <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1570372&amp;cid=31354198" title="slashdot.org">already commented</a> [slashdot.org], I think this is a horrible idea.  Windows is not going to change its window buttons, I have to use Windows, and I dread this change.  And, if you have to put the buttons on the left, the most-commonly-used button (the Close button) should be in the left corner, so that in the common case where I have a maximized window, it's easier to hit.</p><p>I went ahead and read through Mark Shuttleworth's comments about the bug.  In summary: they want to try some new cool stuff, they want to shake things up and not be bound by the past, they have some ideas (not described) for ways to use the right-hand side of the menu bar.  (He was even talking about moving the scroll bar away from the right side of the window, on the grounds that few people use it, and scroll wheels/touchscreen interfaces are becoming the big new thing.  This doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either.)  They are shipping the beta like this to see what actual reactions are to this idea.</p><p>I went ahead and listened to the <a href="http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/download/uupc\_s03e03\_high.ogg" title="ubuntu-uk.org">podcast</a> [ubuntu-uk.org] also (the relevant bit starts around 0:39 into the podcast).  Ivanka Majic said many things, but IMHO did not adequately explain why they think this is a good idea.  Some vague comments about how they are actually testing things.  She said many commendable things, such as talking about how new users can find it <em>really hard</em> to even understand just what Ubuntu is.  And she said something that sounded like her department was behind the "papercuts" project, of which I firmly approve.  But if you are trying to understand what the heck is going on with those crazy buttons, you can skip the podcast.</p><p>So, if (like me) you dread these new buttons, the best thing you could possibly do is to actually get a copy of the Ubuntu beta and try it out; then post, not just opinions, but informed opinions supported by personal experience.  "I tried to click on the Edit menu and closed my window" (if that actually happens to you) should be much more persuasive than "I looked at your screen shot and I can already tell I hate it".</p><p>By the way, check this out: <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1430585" title="ubuntuforums.org">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1430585</a> [ubuntuforums.org]</p><p>So, I'm planning to download the Ubuntu Beta ISO image, and install it (possibly in VirtualBox), and try the thing out.  Then I will add my voice to those commenting on the new buttons.</p><p>steveha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I have already commented [ slashdot.org ] , I think this is a horrible idea .
Windows is not going to change its window buttons , I have to use Windows , and I dread this change .
And , if you have to put the buttons on the left , the most-commonly-used button ( the Close button ) should be in the left corner , so that in the common case where I have a maximized window , it 's easier to hit.I went ahead and read through Mark Shuttleworth 's comments about the bug .
In summary : they want to try some new cool stuff , they want to shake things up and not be bound by the past , they have some ideas ( not described ) for ways to use the right-hand side of the menu bar .
( He was even talking about moving the scroll bar away from the right side of the window , on the grounds that few people use it , and scroll wheels/touchscreen interfaces are becoming the big new thing .
This does n't give me the warm fuzzies either .
) They are shipping the beta like this to see what actual reactions are to this idea.I went ahead and listened to the podcast [ ubuntu-uk.org ] also ( the relevant bit starts around 0 : 39 into the podcast ) .
Ivanka Majic said many things , but IMHO did not adequately explain why they think this is a good idea .
Some vague comments about how they are actually testing things .
She said many commendable things , such as talking about how new users can find it really hard to even understand just what Ubuntu is .
And she said something that sounded like her department was behind the " papercuts " project , of which I firmly approve .
But if you are trying to understand what the heck is going on with those crazy buttons , you can skip the podcast.So , if ( like me ) you dread these new buttons , the best thing you could possibly do is to actually get a copy of the Ubuntu beta and try it out ; then post , not just opinions , but informed opinions supported by personal experience .
" I tried to click on the Edit menu and closed my window " ( if that actually happens to you ) should be much more persuasive than " I looked at your screen shot and I can already tell I hate it " .By the way , check this out : http : //ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php ? t = 1430585 [ ubuntuforums.org ] So , I 'm planning to download the Ubuntu Beta ISO image , and install it ( possibly in VirtualBox ) , and try the thing out .
Then I will add my voice to those commenting on the new buttons.steveha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I have already commented [slashdot.org], I think this is a horrible idea.
Windows is not going to change its window buttons, I have to use Windows, and I dread this change.
And, if you have to put the buttons on the left, the most-commonly-used button (the Close button) should be in the left corner, so that in the common case where I have a maximized window, it's easier to hit.I went ahead and read through Mark Shuttleworth's comments about the bug.
In summary: they want to try some new cool stuff, they want to shake things up and not be bound by the past, they have some ideas (not described) for ways to use the right-hand side of the menu bar.
(He was even talking about moving the scroll bar away from the right side of the window, on the grounds that few people use it, and scroll wheels/touchscreen interfaces are becoming the big new thing.
This doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either.
)  They are shipping the beta like this to see what actual reactions are to this idea.I went ahead and listened to the podcast [ubuntu-uk.org] also (the relevant bit starts around 0:39 into the podcast).
Ivanka Majic said many things, but IMHO did not adequately explain why they think this is a good idea.
Some vague comments about how they are actually testing things.
She said many commendable things, such as talking about how new users can find it really hard to even understand just what Ubuntu is.
And she said something that sounded like her department was behind the "papercuts" project, of which I firmly approve.
But if you are trying to understand what the heck is going on with those crazy buttons, you can skip the podcast.So, if (like me) you dread these new buttons, the best thing you could possibly do is to actually get a copy of the Ubuntu beta and try it out; then post, not just opinions, but informed opinions supported by personal experience.
"I tried to click on the Edit menu and closed my window" (if that actually happens to you) should be much more persuasive than "I looked at your screen shot and I can already tell I hate it".By the way, check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1430585 [ubuntuforums.org]So, I'm planning to download the Ubuntu Beta ISO image, and install it (possibly in VirtualBox), and try the thing out.
Then I will add my voice to those commenting on the new buttons.steveha</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595462</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Compaqt</author>
	<datestamp>1269431400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After Redhat mismanaged the discontinuation of RedHat Linux in favor of an enterprise focus, many people started fishing around for a replacement default Linux. (Yes, I know Redhat still has a desktop product, but the impression people got was that Redhat was going totally corporate.)</p><p>Add to that the legendary (even promised) instability of Fedora, which is explicitly and without apology presented as a testing vehicle.</p><p>In comes Ubuntu with the <a href="http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/ubuntus\_circle\_of\_friends\_gets\_smaller.php" title="underconsideration.com" rel="nofollow">Circle of Friends</a> [underconsideration.com] imagery, the Ubuntu <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">code of conduct</a> [ubuntu.com], the word <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu\_(philosophy)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">ubuntu</a> [wikipedia.org] itself ("open and available to others"), and the promise of "Linux for Human Beings".</p><p>The rapid growth of Ubuntu to #1 on <a href="http://distrowatch.com/" title="distrowatch.com" rel="nofollow">Distrowatch</a> [distrowatch.com] was propelled by evangelism done by the same power users whose opinions are apparently not worth being listened to anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After Redhat mismanaged the discontinuation of RedHat Linux in favor of an enterprise focus , many people started fishing around for a replacement default Linux .
( Yes , I know Redhat still has a desktop product , but the impression people got was that Redhat was going totally corporate .
) Add to that the legendary ( even promised ) instability of Fedora , which is explicitly and without apology presented as a testing vehicle.In comes Ubuntu with the Circle of Friends [ underconsideration.com ] imagery , the Ubuntu code of conduct [ ubuntu.com ] , the word ubuntu [ wikipedia.org ] itself ( " open and available to others " ) , and the promise of " Linux for Human Beings " .The rapid growth of Ubuntu to # 1 on Distrowatch [ distrowatch.com ] was propelled by evangelism done by the same power users whose opinions are apparently not worth being listened to anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After Redhat mismanaged the discontinuation of RedHat Linux in favor of an enterprise focus, many people started fishing around for a replacement default Linux.
(Yes, I know Redhat still has a desktop product, but the impression people got was that Redhat was going totally corporate.
)Add to that the legendary (even promised) instability of Fedora, which is explicitly and without apology presented as a testing vehicle.In comes Ubuntu with the Circle of Friends [underconsideration.com] imagery, the Ubuntu code of conduct [ubuntu.com], the word ubuntu [wikipedia.org] itself ("open and available to others"), and the promise of "Linux for Human Beings".The rapid growth of Ubuntu to #1 on Distrowatch [distrowatch.com] was propelled by evangelism done by the same power users whose opinions are apparently not worth being listened to anymore.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31599110</id>
	<title>Paranoid hat on</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269451080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They must be trying to actually make Ubuntu less popular (maybe they are afraid of being too big at this time for some reason.)<br>I cannot think of any other real reason to default to something as different as this. I keep trying to come-up with a good analogy but haven't hit on one yet (in good Slashdot tradition it must of course be car based.) Sort of like switching the placement of the brake and gas pedals is the closest I can come (sure you can change it - by using a hacksaw and welding some bars to get them back in the order you want), but that doesn't quite fit (since it is just a config change.) However for novice Linux level users, this could be a deal breaker.<br>Are they trying to discourage those kinds of people from using their distro?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They must be trying to actually make Ubuntu less popular ( maybe they are afraid of being too big at this time for some reason .
) I can not think of any other real reason to default to something as different as this .
I keep trying to come-up with a good analogy but have n't hit on one yet ( in good Slashdot tradition it must of course be car based .
) Sort of like switching the placement of the brake and gas pedals is the closest I can come ( sure you can change it - by using a hacksaw and welding some bars to get them back in the order you want ) , but that does n't quite fit ( since it is just a config change .
) However for novice Linux level users , this could be a deal breaker.Are they trying to discourage those kinds of people from using their distro ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They must be trying to actually make Ubuntu less popular (maybe they are afraid of being too big at this time for some reason.
)I cannot think of any other real reason to default to something as different as this.
I keep trying to come-up with a good analogy but haven't hit on one yet (in good Slashdot tradition it must of course be car based.
) Sort of like switching the placement of the brake and gas pedals is the closest I can come (sure you can change it - by using a hacksaw and welding some bars to get them back in the order you want), but that doesn't quite fit (since it is just a config change.
) However for novice Linux level users, this could be a deal breaker.Are they trying to discourage those kinds of people from using their distro?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595476</id>
	<title>Re:Followin Lucid Lynx will be...</title>
	<author>moco</author>
	<datestamp>1269431580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought they were going for "Menstruating Mink"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought they were going for " Menstruating Mink "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought they were going for "Menstruating Mink"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31608520</id>
	<title>Re:About those crazy buttons</title>
	<author>foxylad</author>
	<datestamp>1269517080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agree you still need the scroll bar, but it could be very thin - maybe even part of the border. Patent pending!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree you still need the scroll bar , but it could be very thin - maybe even part of the border .
Patent pending !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree you still need the scroll bar, but it could be very thin - maybe even part of the border.
Patent pending!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595516</id>
	<title>Harden the f*** up!</title>
	<author>wiresquire</author>
	<datestamp>1269431940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK disclaimer first. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen a screen shot yet. I haven't read anything yet. I'm still running 9.04.</p><p>But I can absolutely see reasons to support this.</p><p>I recently enabled the Group and Tab Windows in Compiz.<br>I was staggered by the functionality and possibilities, but frustrated by the usability. Right click on title bar? Nothing. Anything in the Windowing menu (Top left under icon)? Err, nope. AFAICT, the only way to make any use of it is knowing the key stroke combos. It's like learning  all over again! And this is the only way to control the GUI itself! No integration into the Windowing UI?</p><p>So, from my perspective, you need a way to control the newer MDI technologies, and if they stick it in the window bar where \_/[]/X was, stick that same \_/[]/X wherever you want.</p><p>Eye candy will definitely win some converts. If it's an opportunity for Ubuntu to lead and someone else to react, then what have you got to lose?</p><p>ws</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK disclaimer first .
I have n't seen it yet .
I have n't seen a screen shot yet .
I have n't read anything yet .
I 'm still running 9.04.But I can absolutely see reasons to support this.I recently enabled the Group and Tab Windows in Compiz.I was staggered by the functionality and possibilities , but frustrated by the usability .
Right click on title bar ?
Nothing. Anything in the Windowing menu ( Top left under icon ) ?
Err , nope .
AFAICT , the only way to make any use of it is knowing the key stroke combos .
It 's like learning all over again !
And this is the only way to control the GUI itself !
No integration into the Windowing UI ? So , from my perspective , you need a way to control the newer MDI technologies , and if they stick it in the window bar where \ _/ [ ] /X was , stick that same \ _/ [ ] /X wherever you want.Eye candy will definitely win some converts .
If it 's an opportunity for Ubuntu to lead and someone else to react , then what have you got to lose ? ws</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK disclaimer first.
I haven't seen it yet.
I haven't seen a screen shot yet.
I haven't read anything yet.
I'm still running 9.04.But I can absolutely see reasons to support this.I recently enabled the Group and Tab Windows in Compiz.I was staggered by the functionality and possibilities, but frustrated by the usability.
Right click on title bar?
Nothing. Anything in the Windowing menu (Top left under icon)?
Err, nope.
AFAICT, the only way to make any use of it is knowing the key stroke combos.
It's like learning  all over again!
And this is the only way to control the GUI itself!
No integration into the Windowing UI?So, from my perspective, you need a way to control the newer MDI technologies, and if they stick it in the window bar where \_/[]/X was, stick that same \_/[]/X wherever you want.Eye candy will definitely win some converts.
If it's an opportunity for Ubuntu to lead and someone else to react, then what have you got to lose?ws</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593262</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269359880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you see, there's this thing called the "Window List" which lets you easily switch between these windows that are maximized.  Also alt tab.  If I don't need to be looking at more than one window at a time, what's the point in running a program un-maximized?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you see , there 's this thing called the " Window List " which lets you easily switch between these windows that are maximized .
Also alt tab .
If I do n't need to be looking at more than one window at a time , what 's the point in running a program un-maximized ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you see, there's this thing called the "Window List" which lets you easily switch between these windows that are maximized.
Also alt tab.
If I don't need to be looking at more than one window at a time, what's the point in running a program un-maximized?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593478</id>
	<title>What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1269361560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and Facebook</p></div><p>Why should an <i>operating system</i> "integrate" with a social networking service?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter , identi.ca and FacebookWhy should an operating system " integrate " with a social networking service ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and FacebookWhy should an operating system "integrate" with a social networking service?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593124</id>
	<title>Not only integration with social netwroking sites</title>
	<author>aBaldrich</author>
	<datestamp>1269358740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best integration is with Mac OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best integration is with Mac OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best integration is with Mac OS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595526</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1269432000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It used to be better, before they decided to try a bunch of really neat shiny things.  I keep hoping they will eventually figure all these problems out, but...  Well, I'm starting to wonder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It used to be better , before they decided to try a bunch of really neat shiny things .
I keep hoping they will eventually figure all these problems out , but... Well , I 'm starting to wonder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It used to be better, before they decided to try a bunch of really neat shiny things.
I keep hoping they will eventually figure all these problems out, but...  Well, I'm starting to wonder.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594356</id>
	<title>Wine window controls are still on right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269369540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Wine window controls are still on the right.  Perhaps I'm one of the few freaks that have to run Windows apps under Linux, but this makes the new look unbearable for me although I persisted until yesterday.  I haven't checked, but perhaps this problem exists with Java apps too?  I also justify my decision because it won't mean I look like a simpleton when working on customer (ie. Debian or Windows) machines.</p><p>I can see the Ubuntu UI peoples point though.  Many users are being trained to think that "different to use" means "more advanced" thanks to MS Office.  The window control issue is really a small inconvenience, and it achieves the Ubuntu marketing goal of jarring users into thinking it's shiney new technology.  I just hope the eventual result won't be UI's evolving to look like Japanese cell phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Wine window controls are still on the right .
Perhaps I 'm one of the few freaks that have to run Windows apps under Linux , but this makes the new look unbearable for me although I persisted until yesterday .
I have n't checked , but perhaps this problem exists with Java apps too ?
I also justify my decision because it wo n't mean I look like a simpleton when working on customer ( ie .
Debian or Windows ) machines.I can see the Ubuntu UI peoples point though .
Many users are being trained to think that " different to use " means " more advanced " thanks to MS Office .
The window control issue is really a small inconvenience , and it achieves the Ubuntu marketing goal of jarring users into thinking it 's shiney new technology .
I just hope the eventual result wo n't be UI 's evolving to look like Japanese cell phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Wine window controls are still on the right.
Perhaps I'm one of the few freaks that have to run Windows apps under Linux, but this makes the new look unbearable for me although I persisted until yesterday.
I haven't checked, but perhaps this problem exists with Java apps too?
I also justify my decision because it won't mean I look like a simpleton when working on customer (ie.
Debian or Windows) machines.I can see the Ubuntu UI peoples point though.
Many users are being trained to think that "different to use" means "more advanced" thanks to MS Office.
The window control issue is really a small inconvenience, and it achieves the Ubuntu marketing goal of jarring users into thinking it's shiney new technology.
I just hope the eventual result won't be UI's evolving to look like Japanese cell phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593406</id>
	<title>Re:Slow News Day?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269361080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be new here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be new here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594434</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269370800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Read the comments on the ticket, and you'll see plenty of good reasons. Comment 71 caught my eye quickly (it was long), but there are several others as well. What's frustrating is that beyond Mr. Shuttleworth's mysterious design idea about which he hinted (which isn't even happening until the next release), the change was made with the same attitude about which you're complaining: "Listen to me, I want it this way." I'm not moving away from Ubuntu, but as a contributing member of the community, I'd like a little love. Some explanation at least would have been nice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Read the comments on the ticket , and you 'll see plenty of good reasons .
Comment 71 caught my eye quickly ( it was long ) , but there are several others as well .
What 's frustrating is that beyond Mr. Shuttleworth 's mysterious design idea about which he hinted ( which is n't even happening until the next release ) , the change was made with the same attitude about which you 're complaining : " Listen to me , I want it this way .
" I 'm not moving away from Ubuntu , but as a contributing member of the community , I 'd like a little love .
Some explanation at least would have been nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read the comments on the ticket, and you'll see plenty of good reasons.
Comment 71 caught my eye quickly (it was long), but there are several others as well.
What's frustrating is that beyond Mr. Shuttleworth's mysterious design idea about which he hinted (which isn't even happening until the next release), the change was made with the same attitude about which you're complaining: "Listen to me, I want it this way.
" I'm not moving away from Ubuntu, but as a contributing member of the community, I'd like a little love.
Some explanation at least would have been nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31595356</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>AVryhof</author>
	<datestamp>1269430260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's just laziness.  Rather than do it in a sensible manor, they just moved everything left.  What they should do is like Win3.1 did and make it a drop down control box that closes the window when you double click.....actually on KDE, it is....so drop the short cut controls.  (*I'll still maximize and un-maximize by double clicking the title bar)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's just laziness .
Rather than do it in a sensible manor , they just moved everything left .
What they should do is like Win3.1 did and make it a drop down control box that closes the window when you double click.....actually on KDE , it is....so drop the short cut controls .
( * I 'll still maximize and un-maximize by double clicking the title bar )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's just laziness.
Rather than do it in a sensible manor, they just moved everything left.
What they should do is like Win3.1 did and make it a drop down control box that closes the window when you double click.....actually on KDE, it is....so drop the short cut controls.
(*I'll still maximize and un-maximize by double clicking the title bar)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31596836</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu One-liner of the Year: 2010</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1269442080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks dude!</p><p>I can add that to:</p><p>sudo apt-get install gparted<br>sudo apt-get install gimp<br>sudo apt-get install vlc<br>sudo apt-get install firefox-not.old.as.fuck<br>sudo apt-get install whatever-the-hell-the-old-add-remove-programs-app-is-called<br>sudo apt-get remove fspot<br>sudo apt-get remove lucid-social-networking-crap</p><p>Now if I can find some commands to install Firefox plugins and set the theme to Dust, I could make a "Fix Ubuntu" shellscript!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks dude ! I can add that to : sudo apt-get install gpartedsudo apt-get install gimpsudo apt-get install vlcsudo apt-get install firefox-not.old.as.fucksudo apt-get install whatever-the-hell-the-old-add-remove-programs-app-is-calledsudo apt-get remove fspotsudo apt-get remove lucid-social-networking-crapNow if I can find some commands to install Firefox plugins and set the theme to Dust , I could make a " Fix Ubuntu " shellscript !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks dude!I can add that to:sudo apt-get install gpartedsudo apt-get install gimpsudo apt-get install vlcsudo apt-get install firefox-not.old.as.fucksudo apt-get install whatever-the-hell-the-old-add-remove-programs-app-is-calledsudo apt-get remove fspotsudo apt-get remove lucid-social-networking-crapNow if I can find some commands to install Firefox plugins and set the theme to Dust, I could make a "Fix Ubuntu" shellscript!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594298</id>
	<title>Re:Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269368940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Their goal is to teach everyone to learn about gconftool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Their goal is to teach everyone to learn about gconftool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Their goal is to teach everyone to learn about gconftool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31597204</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>arielCo</author>
	<datestamp>1269443940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continually</p></div><p>Yup, I feel your pain. Right now ALSA is working with PulseAudio - after much monkeying around with sinks and mixers and modules (foot bone connected to the hip bone), which produced lots of variously ill advice in forums, turns out it was <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/464008" title="launchpad.net">a bug in alsa-plugins</a> [launchpad.net], and it's fixed in the Lucid package. Now I can run FlightGear and hear my engine loop<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the system</p></div><p>Is switching supposed to be straightforward? I've heard stories, but still it seems daunting.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Then there's the horrid mess that is upstart</p></div><p>Is it? From my user perspective, I wouldn't have noticed the change I hadn't read about it somewhere. I just read a bit about it, and <a href="http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html" title="ubuntu.com">this</a> [ubuntu.com] kinda gave me the willies:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Note that the job file format is not stable yet, so if you upgrade upstart later, you may need to fix existing files.</p> </div><p><div class="quote"><p>There's the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can, purely for the hell of it</p></div><p>Maybe the omelette+eggs saying applies to OS'es too. Are other distros this daring/merry?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't work</p></div><p>WFM</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I honestly felt that the overall design was seriously less transparent than Windows</p></div><p>If you mean GNOME, yes. s/regedt32/gconftool/g.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?</p></div><p>Perhaps this is what the stereotypical home user can understand and appreciate. Remember what you heard in casual chats when Vista came out - all was about the new start menu, the Aero flippy thing, window chrome and maybe UAC; I remember trying to read some <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2007/03/pretty-vista.ars" title="arstechnica.com">long</a> [arstechnica.com] <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2007/06/vista-under-the-hood.ars/1" title="arstechnica.com">articles</a> [arstechnica.com] detailing the new stuff beneath the shiny stuff but I couldn't really finish them.</p><p>I'm sure this applies to the casual Linux user too (someone who only opens a terminal to run specific commands). Let them be I say, and we who dwell in black screens will look at other news outlets for what's changed under the makeup.</p><p>Now, the spotlight on "social applications" is downright silly<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sound ( ALSA ) dropping out randomly and continuallyYup , I feel your pain .
Right now ALSA is working with PulseAudio - after much monkeying around with sinks and mixers and modules ( foot bone connected to the hip bone ) , which produced lots of variously ill advice in forums , turns out it was a bug in alsa-plugins [ launchpad.net ] , and it 's fixed in the Lucid package .
Now I can run FlightGear and hear my engine loop ; ) Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the systemIs switching supposed to be straightforward ?
I 've heard stories , but still it seems daunting.Then there 's the horrid mess that is upstartIs it ?
From my user perspective , I would n't have noticed the change I had n't read about it somewhere .
I just read a bit about it , and this [ ubuntu.com ] kinda gave me the willies : Note that the job file format is not stable yet , so if you upgrade upstart later , you may need to fix existing files .
There 's the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can , purely for the hell of itMaybe the omelette + eggs saying applies to OS'es too .
Are other distros this daring/merry ? even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part does n't workWFMI honestly felt that the overall design was seriously less transparent than WindowsIf you mean GNOME , yes .
s/regedt32/gconftool/g.Are people really so superficial , that a nice shiny Gnome theme ( for the first few minutes before the system dies , at least ) is the only thing that is considered important ? Perhaps this is what the stereotypical home user can understand and appreciate .
Remember what you heard in casual chats when Vista came out - all was about the new start menu , the Aero flippy thing , window chrome and maybe UAC ; I remember trying to read some long [ arstechnica.com ] articles [ arstechnica.com ] detailing the new stuff beneath the shiny stuff but I could n't really finish them.I 'm sure this applies to the casual Linux user too ( someone who only opens a terminal to run specific commands ) .
Let them be I say , and we who dwell in black screens will look at other news outlets for what 's changed under the makeup.Now , the spotlight on " social applications " is downright silly ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sound (ALSA) dropping out randomly and continuallyYup, I feel your pain.
Right now ALSA is working with PulseAudio - after much monkeying around with sinks and mixers and modules (foot bone connected to the hip bone), which produced lots of variously ill advice in forums, turns out it was a bug in alsa-plugins [launchpad.net], and it's fixed in the Lucid package.
Now I can run FlightGear and hear my engine loop ;)Gnome being hard-welded to the rest of the systemIs switching supposed to be straightforward?
I've heard stories, but still it seems daunting.Then there's the horrid mess that is upstartIs it?
From my user perspective, I wouldn't have noticed the change I hadn't read about it somewhere.
I just read a bit about it, and this [ubuntu.com] kinda gave me the willies:Note that the job file format is not stable yet, so if you upgrade upstart later, you may need to fix existing files.
There's the usual Debian tendency to change absolutely everything they can, purely for the hell of itMaybe the omelette+eggs saying applies to OS'es too.
Are other distros this daring/merry?even basic things like setting up an fstab for the most part doesn't workWFMI honestly felt that the overall design was seriously less transparent than WindowsIf you mean GNOME, yes.
s/regedt32/gconftool/g.Are people really so superficial, that a nice shiny Gnome theme (for the first few minutes before the system dies, at least) is the only thing that is considered important?Perhaps this is what the stereotypical home user can understand and appreciate.
Remember what you heard in casual chats when Vista came out - all was about the new start menu, the Aero flippy thing, window chrome and maybe UAC; I remember trying to read some long [arstechnica.com] articles [arstechnica.com] detailing the new stuff beneath the shiny stuff but I couldn't really finish them.I'm sure this applies to the casual Linux user too (someone who only opens a terminal to run specific commands).
Let them be I say, and we who dwell in black screens will look at other news outlets for what's changed under the makeup.Now, the spotlight on "social applications" is downright silly ;)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31597454</id>
	<title>honestly never needed to use it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269444960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>lemme see, i probably first used redhat, and then used mandrake out of pragmatism due to it offering pentium binaries and redhat sticking to i386, and in between p-pro etc arch it was argued truthfully that much i386 code was smaller and actually ran faster due to the gcc being primitive mostly as we dont do that today, but primarily because of small cache sizes and that the code might be smaller, this also applies to suggestions to build the kernel with -Os etc. At that time pre 98,i used lfs before gentoo existed and loved the whole concept of the portage system (even if its inspired by ports bsd which i didnt know about prior).</p><p>and the whole time i used gnome. i did prefer it to kde. i just think that nautilus is better than knoq and although i liked the fsview and would keep konq around for that i didnt use it as much as nautilus and gnome.</p><p>after trying e16 and all the early expermental e17's. i remember being amazed at the e17 previews and trying to adopt them, and i really loved their desktop pager. and todays pagers own something for it in design and result. blackbox i used for about a year and it was perfect of my low power machines of those days. but hey if i really needed performance to get my video decoding running max speed after building everything and playing with compile flags i would also just run x with xstart and not even twm, and just run my xterm wm less and use mplayer -fs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>managed to get divx decoding fullscreen flawlessly on many machines which would not do the same under xp that way, i think pII 233's... ha</p><p>eventually i had a 933 and became happy with gnome, what i was very happy with was the simplicity and the functionality.<br>, and<br>what i do, to this day, is i have only a single bar at the top of the screen with my app/etc, and launchers/indicators (weather, email/im, google desktop (best pdx indexer only one that supports ligatures and hyphenations and other languages charsets etc seamlessly, fast and in short it dominates everything else ive checked although i'd be happy to be told im wrong and to try something else) cpufreq (now on a 2.66 core2 6m of L2 4gig ddr2 laptop, who would have believed these would come so soon, and led backlit keyboard is awesome of programming in the backyard at night with a stout.)</p><p>finally i adopted a particular layout an auto hiding workspace switcher on the middle right edge, nothing at the bottom (your eyes are scanning top to bottom and so anything at the bottom is very wasteful and distracting, i like document to the bottom edge is just so much more relaxing when you use it. after a while using anything else is a fucking pain) and finally</p><p>in the upper right of the top panel is a list style window selector.</p><p>so i can just simply throw the mouse to the middle left and wheel through desktops, or throw it into the upper right and wheel through apps.</p><p>thats the way i roll.</p><p>i call it a zero click interface! (TM)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>i dare you to try it and if you dont like it please tell me so (and if you have any feedback or suggestions as to why its bad please let me know too) its so relaxing that i find xp a complete pain to use after so many years of my own personal computing nirvana. ffs xp doesnt even let you scroll a windows by hover without bringing it to the forground. i really belive the xp/windows interface is all built around maximising the number of actions required to do things, which is psychologically reinforcing and addictive and eventually dependency forming, causing an intentionally increased barrier to switching or using anything else.</p><p>peace, only you can shift the trend towards humane computer interfaces, for us, rather than to make money for a company to whom we are on product to be sold to their developers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lem me see , i probably first used redhat , and then used mandrake out of pragmatism due to it offering pentium binaries and redhat sticking to i386 , and in between p-pro etc arch it was argued truthfully that much i386 code was smaller and actually ran faster due to the gcc being primitive mostly as we dont do that today , but primarily because of small cache sizes and that the code might be smaller , this also applies to suggestions to build the kernel with -Os etc .
At that time pre 98,i used lfs before gentoo existed and loved the whole concept of the portage system ( even if its inspired by ports bsd which i didnt know about prior ) .and the whole time i used gnome .
i did prefer it to kde .
i just think that nautilus is better than knoq and although i liked the fsview and would keep konq around for that i didnt use it as much as nautilus and gnome.after trying e16 and all the early expermental e17 's .
i remember being amazed at the e17 previews and trying to adopt them , and i really loved their desktop pager .
and todays pagers own something for it in design and result .
blackbox i used for about a year and it was perfect of my low power machines of those days .
but hey if i really needed performance to get my video decoding running max speed after building everything and playing with compile flags i would also just run x with xstart and not even twm , and just run my xterm wm less and use mplayer -fs ...managed to get divx decoding fullscreen flawlessly on many machines which would not do the same under xp that way , i think pII 233 's... haeventually i had a 933 and became happy with gnome , what i was very happy with was the simplicity and the functionality. , andwhat i do , to this day , is i have only a single bar at the top of the screen with my app/etc , and launchers/indicators ( weather , email/im , google desktop ( best pdx indexer only one that supports ligatures and hyphenations and other languages charsets etc seamlessly , fast and in short it dominates everything else ive checked although i 'd be happy to be told im wrong and to try something else ) cpufreq ( now on a 2.66 core2 6m of L2 4gig ddr2 laptop , who would have believed these would come so soon , and led backlit keyboard is awesome of programming in the backyard at night with a stout .
) finally i adopted a particular layout an auto hiding workspace switcher on the middle right edge , nothing at the bottom ( your eyes are scanning top to bottom and so anything at the bottom is very wasteful and distracting , i like document to the bottom edge is just so much more relaxing when you use it .
after a while using anything else is a fucking pain ) and finallyin the upper right of the top panel is a list style window selector.so i can just simply throw the mouse to the middle left and wheel through desktops , or throw it into the upper right and wheel through apps.thats the way i roll.i call it a zero click interface !
( TM ) : Pi dare you to try it and if you dont like it please tell me so ( and if you have any feedback or suggestions as to why its bad please let me know too ) its so relaxing that i find xp a complete pain to use after so many years of my own personal computing nirvana .
ffs xp doesnt even let you scroll a windows by hover without bringing it to the forground .
i really belive the xp/windows interface is all built around maximising the number of actions required to do things , which is psychologically reinforcing and addictive and eventually dependency forming , causing an intentionally increased barrier to switching or using anything else.peace , only you can shift the trend towards humane computer interfaces , for us , rather than to make money for a company to whom we are on product to be sold to their developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lemme see, i probably first used redhat, and then used mandrake out of pragmatism due to it offering pentium binaries and redhat sticking to i386, and in between p-pro etc arch it was argued truthfully that much i386 code was smaller and actually ran faster due to the gcc being primitive mostly as we dont do that today, but primarily because of small cache sizes and that the code might be smaller, this also applies to suggestions to build the kernel with -Os etc.
At that time pre 98,i used lfs before gentoo existed and loved the whole concept of the portage system (even if its inspired by ports bsd which i didnt know about prior).and the whole time i used gnome.
i did prefer it to kde.
i just think that nautilus is better than knoq and although i liked the fsview and would keep konq around for that i didnt use it as much as nautilus and gnome.after trying e16 and all the early expermental e17's.
i remember being amazed at the e17 previews and trying to adopt them, and i really loved their desktop pager.
and todays pagers own something for it in design and result.
blackbox i used for about a year and it was perfect of my low power machines of those days.
but hey if i really needed performance to get my video decoding running max speed after building everything and playing with compile flags i would also just run x with xstart and not even twm, and just run my xterm wm less and use mplayer -fs ...managed to get divx decoding fullscreen flawlessly on many machines which would not do the same under xp that way, i think pII 233's... haeventually i had a 933 and became happy with gnome, what i was very happy with was the simplicity and the functionality., andwhat i do, to this day, is i have only a single bar at the top of the screen with my app/etc, and launchers/indicators (weather, email/im, google desktop (best pdx indexer only one that supports ligatures and hyphenations and other languages charsets etc seamlessly, fast and in short it dominates everything else ive checked although i'd be happy to be told im wrong and to try something else) cpufreq (now on a 2.66 core2 6m of L2 4gig ddr2 laptop, who would have believed these would come so soon, and led backlit keyboard is awesome of programming in the backyard at night with a stout.
)finally i adopted a particular layout an auto hiding workspace switcher on the middle right edge, nothing at the bottom (your eyes are scanning top to bottom and so anything at the bottom is very wasteful and distracting, i like document to the bottom edge is just so much more relaxing when you use it.
after a while using anything else is a fucking pain) and finallyin the upper right of the top panel is a list style window selector.so i can just simply throw the mouse to the middle left and wheel through desktops, or throw it into the upper right and wheel through apps.thats the way i roll.i call it a zero click interface!
(TM) :Pi dare you to try it and if you dont like it please tell me so (and if you have any feedback or suggestions as to why its bad please let me know too) its so relaxing that i find xp a complete pain to use after so many years of my own personal computing nirvana.
ffs xp doesnt even let you scroll a windows by hover without bringing it to the forground.
i really belive the xp/windows interface is all built around maximising the number of actions required to do things, which is psychologically reinforcing and addictive and eventually dependency forming, causing an intentionally increased barrier to switching or using anything else.peace, only you can shift the trend towards humane computer interfaces, for us, rather than to make money for a company to whom we are on product to be sold to their developers.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why do people like Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269446340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You're right it does sound like trolling, but I'll bite.   Why do I like (K)ubuntu over other distros?:</p><p>1.  No monetary cost (price matters these days).<br>2.  Large library of programs available, including "non-free" (as in freedom) versions.<br>3.  Binary based, no time spent compiling, but you can get the source if you want.<br>4.  Good package management = reasonably simple administration.<br>5.  Updated regularly.<br>6.  Sizeable user base helps with "with enough eyeballs all bugs are shallow".</p><p>In short, it doesn't always "just work", (Plymouth seems to be a plague on Lucid) but I have enough resources with Kubuntu to "make it work for me".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right it does sound like trolling , but I 'll bite .
Why do I like ( K ) ubuntu over other distros ? : 1 .
No monetary cost ( price matters these days ) .2 .
Large library of programs available , including " non-free " ( as in freedom ) versions.3 .
Binary based , no time spent compiling , but you can get the source if you want.4 .
Good package management = reasonably simple administration.5 .
Updated regularly.6 .
Sizeable user base helps with " with enough eyeballs all bugs are shallow " .In short , it does n't always " just work " , ( Plymouth seems to be a plague on Lucid ) but I have enough resources with Kubuntu to " make it work for me " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right it does sound like trolling, but I'll bite.
Why do I like (K)ubuntu over other distros?:1.
No monetary cost (price matters these days).2.
Large library of programs available, including "non-free" (as in freedom) versions.3.
Binary based, no time spent compiling, but you can get the source if you want.4.
Good package management = reasonably simple administration.5.
Updated regularly.6.
Sizeable user base helps with "with enough eyeballs all bugs are shallow".In short, it doesn't always "just work", (Plymouth seems to be a plague on Lucid) but I have enough resources with Kubuntu to "make it work for me".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593996</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1269365940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Because Ubuntu is not an operating system.  Ubuntu is a distribution, a collection of Operating system and user tools!  Linux (plus the GNU tools, some would scream) are an operating system.</p><p>Gwibber actually is kind of addictive.  I do like it..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because Ubuntu is not an operating system .
Ubuntu is a distribution , a collection of Operating system and user tools !
Linux ( plus the GNU tools , some would scream ) are an operating system.Gwibber actually is kind of addictive .
I do like it. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because Ubuntu is not an operating system.
Ubuntu is a distribution, a collection of Operating system and user tools!
Linux (plus the GNU tools, some would scream) are an operating system.Gwibber actually is kind of addictive.
I do like it..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31605102</id>
	<title>Re:One step forward, two steps back</title>
	<author>Svartormr</author>
	<datestamp>1269432120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I'm a long-term Debian user and administrator who's looked at Ubuntu and used it for business customers.<br><br>Ubuntu appears to be thrashing around in ways that Debian isn't.  Debian usually has at least one big contentious change each release with a lot of argument within the project, usually with at least one major dev quitting in disgust.  But they are about major issues--lastest big one is back-and-forth on how to get multi-architecture right--but they are usually about a fundamental issue that should be improved where there's disagreement about where to go and how to get there.  Most of the UI and user issues just evolve with steady improvement.  They usually follow the upstream on most major components, like Gnome and KDE.  For example, wireless just works now, and that's with a laptop that's been running testing for 3 releases.<br><br>Ubuntu draws off of Debian unstable with large inputs on how to customize it.  They aim to roll out a stable release of their own every 6 months.  They have interesting ideas about doing some things differently.  Your problems with Wi-Fi are disturbing (I haven't used Ubuntu with wireless).  I think they may be going too far this time with the big changes to Gnome.  You've always been able to change themes in Gnome, which can change the buttons available, but to do so in the default theme without justification seems to be courting user confusion.  I wonder what Gnome thinks?<br><br>I was planning to use Ubuntu more.  I'll have to test this version out and see for myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a long-term Debian user and administrator who 's looked at Ubuntu and used it for business customers.Ubuntu appears to be thrashing around in ways that Debian is n't .
Debian usually has at least one big contentious change each release with a lot of argument within the project , usually with at least one major dev quitting in disgust .
But they are about major issues--lastest big one is back-and-forth on how to get multi-architecture right--but they are usually about a fundamental issue that should be improved where there 's disagreement about where to go and how to get there .
Most of the UI and user issues just evolve with steady improvement .
They usually follow the upstream on most major components , like Gnome and KDE .
For example , wireless just works now , and that 's with a laptop that 's been running testing for 3 releases.Ubuntu draws off of Debian unstable with large inputs on how to customize it .
They aim to roll out a stable release of their own every 6 months .
They have interesting ideas about doing some things differently .
Your problems with Wi-Fi are disturbing ( I have n't used Ubuntu with wireless ) .
I think they may be going too far this time with the big changes to Gnome .
You 've always been able to change themes in Gnome , which can change the buttons available , but to do so in the default theme without justification seems to be courting user confusion .
I wonder what Gnome thinks ? I was planning to use Ubuntu more .
I 'll have to test this version out and see for myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a long-term Debian user and administrator who's looked at Ubuntu and used it for business customers.Ubuntu appears to be thrashing around in ways that Debian isn't.
Debian usually has at least one big contentious change each release with a lot of argument within the project, usually with at least one major dev quitting in disgust.
But they are about major issues--lastest big one is back-and-forth on how to get multi-architecture right--but they are usually about a fundamental issue that should be improved where there's disagreement about where to go and how to get there.
Most of the UI and user issues just evolve with steady improvement.
They usually follow the upstream on most major components, like Gnome and KDE.
For example, wireless just works now, and that's with a laptop that's been running testing for 3 releases.Ubuntu draws off of Debian unstable with large inputs on how to customize it.
They aim to roll out a stable release of their own every 6 months.
They have interesting ideas about doing some things differently.
Your problems with Wi-Fi are disturbing (I haven't used Ubuntu with wireless).
I think they may be going too far this time with the big changes to Gnome.
You've always been able to change themes in Gnome, which can change the buttons available, but to do so in the default theme without justification seems to be courting user confusion.
I wonder what Gnome thinks?I was planning to use Ubuntu more.
I'll have to test this version out and see for myself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593076</id>
	<title>Using it since Alpha 1</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269358440000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really like what I see, but it is a little... counter-intuitive that they not only put the window controls on the left side of windows but put them in order of Maximize-Minimize-Close. No matter, I have everything maximized all the time anyways and on my Wind I've been using Maximus with Window-Picker-Applet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really like what I see , but it is a little... counter-intuitive that they not only put the window controls on the left side of windows but put them in order of Maximize-Minimize-Close .
No matter , I have everything maximized all the time anyways and on my Wind I 've been using Maximus with Window-Picker-Applet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really like what I see, but it is a little... counter-intuitive that they not only put the window controls on the left side of windows but put them in order of Maximize-Minimize-Close.
No matter, I have everything maximized all the time anyways and on my Wind I've been using Maximus with Window-Picker-Applet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31593526</id>
	<title>Re:What I want to know is ...</title>
	<author>Again</author>
	<datestamp>1269362100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and Facebook</p></div><p>Why should an <i>operating system</i> "integrate" with a social networking service?</p></div><p>Ubuntu provides not just the Linux operating system but also the package of applications that they deem people may find useful.  Applications which provide social networking integration will be put to use for a lot of people so they are included.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter , identi.ca and FacebookWhy should an operating system " integrate " with a social networking service ? Ubuntu provides not just the Linux operating system but also the package of applications that they deem people may find useful .
Applications which provide social networking integration will be put to use for a lot of people so they are included .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new release also includes much better integration with social networking services such as Twitter, identi.ca and FacebookWhy should an operating system "integrate" with a social networking service?Ubuntu provides not just the Linux operating system but also the package of applications that they deem people may find useful.
Applications which provide social networking integration will be put to use for a lot of people so they are included.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_23_2348232.31594914</id>
	<title>Re:One step forward, two steps back</title>
	<author>Pecisk</author>
	<datestamp>1269423660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"#Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work."</p><p>And this affects majority of users how? Ohh right, nothing. Because most of them will use nvidia drivers from repos, including newest ones.</p><p>"#The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid. As a workaround, users should use the open source -ati driver instead."</p><p>Well, you have to specify that claim, because a) old cards who are supported by radeon/ati drivers works nicely with 3D b) packages.ubuntu.com shows that fglrx driver version is 8.721, which, according to Google, is prelease of Catalyst 10.4, so it should support newest Xorg and newest ATI cards. ATI support has always be problematic, but for last two years it is mostly territory between radeon and fglrx - t.i. older cards don't make to radeon driver in time for Ubuntu release.</p><p>About general state of affairs - I agree, it is not ideal, but for last two releases there have been efforts to stabilize hardware support, so I think Lucid will do quite good in this regard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" # Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages , the nvidia installer from NVIDIA 's website currently does n't work .
" And this affects majority of users how ?
Ohh right , nothing .
Because most of them will use nvidia drivers from repos , including newest ones .
" # The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid .
As a workaround , users should use the open source -ati driver instead .
" Well , you have to specify that claim , because a ) old cards who are supported by radeon/ati drivers works nicely with 3D b ) packages.ubuntu.com shows that fglrx driver version is 8.721 , which , according to Google , is prelease of Catalyst 10.4 , so it should support newest Xorg and newest ATI cards .
ATI support has always be problematic , but for last two years it is mostly territory between radeon and fglrx - t.i .
older cards do n't make to radeon driver in time for Ubuntu release.About general state of affairs - I agree , it is not ideal , but for last two releases there have been efforts to stabilize hardware support , so I think Lucid will do quite good in this regard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"#Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work.
"And this affects majority of users how?
Ohh right, nothing.
Because most of them will use nvidia drivers from repos, including newest ones.
"#The fglrx binary driver for ATI video chipsets does not yet support the X server in Lucid.
As a workaround, users should use the open source -ati driver instead.
"Well, you have to specify that claim, because a) old cards who are supported by radeon/ati drivers works nicely with 3D b) packages.ubuntu.com shows that fglrx driver version is 8.721, which, according to Google, is prelease of Catalyst 10.4, so it should support newest Xorg and newest ATI cards.
ATI support has always be problematic, but for last two years it is mostly territory between radeon and fglrx - t.i.
older cards don't make to radeon driver in time for Ubuntu release.About general state of affairs - I agree, it is not ideal, but for last two releases there have been efforts to stabilize hardware support, so I think Lucid will do quite good in this regard.</sentencetext>
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