<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_22_238211</id>
	<title>Is the Line-in Jack On the Verge of Extinction?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1269259140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>SlashD0tter writes <i>"Many older sound cards were shipped with line-out, microphone-in, and a line-in jacks. For years I've used such a line-in jack on an old Windows 2000 dinosaur desktop that I bought in 2000 (600 Mhz PIII) to capture the stereo audio signal from an old Technics receiver. I've used this arrangement to recover the audio from a slew of old vinyl LPs and even a few cassettes using some simple audio manipulating software from a small shop in Australia. I've noticed only recently, unfortunately, that all of the four laptops I've bought since then have omitted a line-in jack, forcing me to continue keeping this old desktop on life support. I've looked around for USB sound cards that include a line-in jack, but I haven't been too impressed by the selection. Is the line-in jack doomed to extinction, possibly due to lobbying from vested interests, or are there better thinking-outside-the-box alternatives available?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>SlashD0tter writes " Many older sound cards were shipped with line-out , microphone-in , and a line-in jacks .
For years I 've used such a line-in jack on an old Windows 2000 dinosaur desktop that I bought in 2000 ( 600 Mhz PIII ) to capture the stereo audio signal from an old Technics receiver .
I 've used this arrangement to recover the audio from a slew of old vinyl LPs and even a few cassettes using some simple audio manipulating software from a small shop in Australia .
I 've noticed only recently , unfortunately , that all of the four laptops I 've bought since then have omitted a line-in jack , forcing me to continue keeping this old desktop on life support .
I 've looked around for USB sound cards that include a line-in jack , but I have n't been too impressed by the selection .
Is the line-in jack doomed to extinction , possibly due to lobbying from vested interests , or are there better thinking-outside-the-box alternatives available ?
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<sentencetext>SlashD0tter writes "Many older sound cards were shipped with line-out, microphone-in, and a line-in jacks.
For years I've used such a line-in jack on an old Windows 2000 dinosaur desktop that I bought in 2000 (600 Mhz PIII) to capture the stereo audio signal from an old Technics receiver.
I've used this arrangement to recover the audio from a slew of old vinyl LPs and even a few cassettes using some simple audio manipulating software from a small shop in Australia.
I've noticed only recently, unfortunately, that all of the four laptops I've bought since then have omitted a line-in jack, forcing me to continue keeping this old desktop on life support.
I've looked around for USB sound cards that include a line-in jack, but I haven't been too impressed by the selection.
Is the line-in jack doomed to extinction, possibly due to lobbying from vested interests, or are there better thinking-outside-the-box alternatives available?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583010</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269356520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consumer grade soundcard microphone inputs provide phantom power, as the microphone type is usually an electret. The electret microphone capsule contains a piezo-electric element, which behaves somewhat like a condenser microphone, except that it does not require DC bias. The output impedance of the piezo-electric element is capacitive, and must be fed into a very high input impedance (many megohms) to get a reasonable bass response. It is not practical to feed this kind of signal over a cable, due to signal loss and interference problems. The electret capsule contains an FET buffer/amplifier, with a very high input impedance, and a moderate output impedance (say a few hundred to a few thousand ohms). Phantom power of a few volts is required to power the FET.</p><p>As far as I know, soundcard microphone inputs typically provide 1.5V phantom power, with a 1k resistor acting as the drain load for the electret FET. If I recall, the sensitivity is some tens of millivolts. I am not sure what would happen if you plugged in a dynamic (moving coil) microphone. If it was a high impedance microphone (50k nominal), the 1k drain load would kill the signal and frequency response. If it was a low impedance microphone (600 ohms nominal), the signal level would be too low. I think some sound cards have some kind of auto-detect, which only applies the phantom power and drain load if the microphone looks like an FET drain. This would allow correct operation with a high impedance dynamic microphone, which has the right output level.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consumer grade soundcard microphone inputs provide phantom power , as the microphone type is usually an electret .
The electret microphone capsule contains a piezo-electric element , which behaves somewhat like a condenser microphone , except that it does not require DC bias .
The output impedance of the piezo-electric element is capacitive , and must be fed into a very high input impedance ( many megohms ) to get a reasonable bass response .
It is not practical to feed this kind of signal over a cable , due to signal loss and interference problems .
The electret capsule contains an FET buffer/amplifier , with a very high input impedance , and a moderate output impedance ( say a few hundred to a few thousand ohms ) .
Phantom power of a few volts is required to power the FET.As far as I know , soundcard microphone inputs typically provide 1.5V phantom power , with a 1k resistor acting as the drain load for the electret FET .
If I recall , the sensitivity is some tens of millivolts .
I am not sure what would happen if you plugged in a dynamic ( moving coil ) microphone .
If it was a high impedance microphone ( 50k nominal ) , the 1k drain load would kill the signal and frequency response .
If it was a low impedance microphone ( 600 ohms nominal ) , the signal level would be too low .
I think some sound cards have some kind of auto-detect , which only applies the phantom power and drain load if the microphone looks like an FET drain .
This would allow correct operation with a high impedance dynamic microphone , which has the right output level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consumer grade soundcard microphone inputs provide phantom power, as the microphone type is usually an electret.
The electret microphone capsule contains a piezo-electric element, which behaves somewhat like a condenser microphone, except that it does not require DC bias.
The output impedance of the piezo-electric element is capacitive, and must be fed into a very high input impedance (many megohms) to get a reasonable bass response.
It is not practical to feed this kind of signal over a cable, due to signal loss and interference problems.
The electret capsule contains an FET buffer/amplifier, with a very high input impedance, and a moderate output impedance (say a few hundred to a few thousand ohms).
Phantom power of a few volts is required to power the FET.As far as I know, soundcard microphone inputs typically provide 1.5V phantom power, with a 1k resistor acting as the drain load for the electret FET.
If I recall, the sensitivity is some tens of millivolts.
I am not sure what would happen if you plugged in a dynamic (moving coil) microphone.
If it was a high impedance microphone (50k nominal), the 1k drain load would kill the signal and frequency response.
If it was a low impedance microphone (600 ohms nominal), the signal level would be too low.
I think some sound cards have some kind of auto-detect, which only applies the phantom power and drain load if the microphone looks like an FET drain.
This would allow correct operation with a high impedance dynamic microphone, which has the right output level.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580594</id>
	<title>Just get some USB sound card with decent preamp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269337740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, those integrated sound cards still suck<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) They have gotten better within 5 years, but not yet match for external devices. I've been using this MobilePre, mainly for LInux support when I got it. Not pro-quality, seems bit pricey to specs, but has nice features for random home recording: decent preamp, XLR, 3/4 balanced/unbalanced, hi-z line and knobs for gain and headphone volume. I guess those newer Fast Track cards give better quality.</p><p>If you need only 2-4 channels, you'll be happy with USB device. Last time I checked Linux had good support only for USB1.1 devices (max 2 channel), and no USB2.0 devices (max 4 channel). If need more channels and bit lower latency get some Firewire device. Anyway you'll get better quality than with integrated.</p><p>How about something like this for mobile use, it's just a/d converter and very small size. Just line input, but for DAT-replacement might be good choice.</p><p>http://www.m-audio.com/products/en\_us/Transit.html</p><p>By the way, try Audacity for recording software. It's quite simple and easy to use for simple recordings.</p><p>http://audacity.sourceforge.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , those integrated sound cards still suck : ) They have gotten better within 5 years , but not yet match for external devices .
I 've been using this MobilePre , mainly for LInux support when I got it .
Not pro-quality , seems bit pricey to specs , but has nice features for random home recording : decent preamp , XLR , 3/4 balanced/unbalanced , hi-z line and knobs for gain and headphone volume .
I guess those newer Fast Track cards give better quality.If you need only 2-4 channels , you 'll be happy with USB device .
Last time I checked Linux had good support only for USB1.1 devices ( max 2 channel ) , and no USB2.0 devices ( max 4 channel ) .
If need more channels and bit lower latency get some Firewire device .
Anyway you 'll get better quality than with integrated.How about something like this for mobile use , it 's just a/d converter and very small size .
Just line input , but for DAT-replacement might be good choice.http : //www.m-audio.com/products/en \ _us/Transit.htmlBy the way , try Audacity for recording software .
It 's quite simple and easy to use for simple recordings.http : //audacity.sourceforge.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, those integrated sound cards still suck :) They have gotten better within 5 years, but not yet match for external devices.
I've been using this MobilePre, mainly for LInux support when I got it.
Not pro-quality, seems bit pricey to specs, but has nice features for random home recording: decent preamp, XLR, 3/4 balanced/unbalanced, hi-z line and knobs for gain and headphone volume.
I guess those newer Fast Track cards give better quality.If you need only 2-4 channels, you'll be happy with USB device.
Last time I checked Linux had good support only for USB1.1 devices (max 2 channel), and no USB2.0 devices (max 4 channel).
If need more channels and bit lower latency get some Firewire device.
Anyway you'll get better quality than with integrated.How about something like this for mobile use, it's just a/d converter and very small size.
Just line input, but for DAT-replacement might be good choice.http://www.m-audio.com/products/en\_us/Transit.htmlBy the way, try Audacity for recording software.
It's quite simple and easy to use for simple recordings.http://audacity.sourceforge.net/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578076</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269266160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it (to power the microphone up)<br>Line In doesn't provide any power, it only analyses incoming signal from external source, and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it ( to power the microphone up ) Line In does n't provide any power , it only analyses incoming signal from external source , and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it (to power the microphone up)Line In doesn't provide any power, it only analyses incoming signal from external source, and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577578</id>
	<title>Mic Preamp Disable?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269262920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It may just be me but I believe my laptop, at least under linux, has a mic preamp boost option. It's POSSIBLE that with that disabled the mic port acts just like a line-in.</p><p>Regardless I don't think I've had a laptop in the past 5+ years that had anything other than headphone out and mic in available on it.</p><p>Regarding sound cards, most of them have reconfigurable audio ports with seperate options for both line in as well as mic in, so it's possible you're just not looking around enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It may just be me but I believe my laptop , at least under linux , has a mic preamp boost option .
It 's POSSIBLE that with that disabled the mic port acts just like a line-in.Regardless I do n't think I 've had a laptop in the past 5 + years that had anything other than headphone out and mic in available on it.Regarding sound cards , most of them have reconfigurable audio ports with seperate options for both line in as well as mic in , so it 's possible you 're just not looking around enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may just be me but I believe my laptop, at least under linux, has a mic preamp boost option.
It's POSSIBLE that with that disabled the mic port acts just like a line-in.Regardless I don't think I've had a laptop in the past 5+ years that had anything other than headphone out and mic in available on it.Regarding sound cards, most of them have reconfigurable audio ports with seperate options for both line in as well as mic in, so it's possible you're just not looking around enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578218</id>
	<title>Umm..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269267180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>what line-in jack?</htmltext>
<tokenext>what line-in jack ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what line-in jack?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577636</id>
	<title>Get a Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you took your investments in "all of the four laptops I've bought" (4) you could have bought a MacBook that has a line-in.</p><p>I'm just saying.</p><p>Also, your laptops seem to have a useful lifespan of just 2.5 years. Sumthin' wrong there, too.</p><p>My 10-year old PowerBook with line-in is still in use.</p><p>What have you been buying???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you took your investments in " all of the four laptops I 've bought " ( 4 ) you could have bought a MacBook that has a line-in.I 'm just saying.Also , your laptops seem to have a useful lifespan of just 2.5 years .
Sumthin ' wrong there , too.My 10-year old PowerBook with line-in is still in use.What have you been buying ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you took your investments in "all of the four laptops I've bought" (4) you could have bought a MacBook that has a line-in.I'm just saying.Also, your laptops seem to have a useful lifespan of just 2.5 years.
Sumthin' wrong there, too.My 10-year old PowerBook with line-in is still in use.What have you been buying??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577882</id>
	<title>Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269264660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This may be a stupid question, but what is the difference between the line-in and the microphone ports?  Aren't they both used to receive data from an outside source?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be a stupid question , but what is the difference between the line-in and the microphone ports ?
Are n't they both used to receive data from an outside source ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be a stupid question, but what is the difference between the line-in and the microphone ports?
Aren't they both used to receive data from an outside source?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579382</id>
	<title>You just need one of these:</title>
	<author>rfreedman</author>
	<datestamp>1269277980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic" title="griffintechnology.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic</a> [griffintechnology.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic [ griffintechnology.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic [griffintechnology.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578524</id>
	<title>Check the options for the mic jack</title>
	<author>ross.w</author>
	<datestamp>1269269580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Toshiba satellite only has a mic input, but when it senses that you have plugged something in, it pops up a dialog to ask whether you have plugged in a microphone or a line level audio source, and then configures the levels appropriately.</p><p>Yours may be similar. Try plugging into the mic input and see what results you get. If it doesn't work, you'll get horribly distorted audio. In that case, you'll need a USB audio adaptor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Toshiba satellite only has a mic input , but when it senses that you have plugged something in , it pops up a dialog to ask whether you have plugged in a microphone or a line level audio source , and then configures the levels appropriately.Yours may be similar .
Try plugging into the mic input and see what results you get .
If it does n't work , you 'll get horribly distorted audio .
In that case , you 'll need a USB audio adaptor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Toshiba satellite only has a mic input, but when it senses that you have plugged something in, it pops up a dialog to ask whether you have plugged in a microphone or a line level audio source, and then configures the levels appropriately.Yours may be similar.
Try plugging into the mic input and see what results you get.
If it doesn't work, you'll get horribly distorted audio.
In that case, you'll need a USB audio adaptor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577812</id>
	<title>Go to Aldi</title>
	<author>grege1</author>
	<datestamp>1269264180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>From one Australian to another.

Aldi Supermarkets have a USB Turntable on special this week for $A79 - no line in required - complete with Windows software for recording. Simple, neat and good enough for making mp3s from your old vinyl.

Cassettes are a different story, but I am sure there are plenty of options in that area too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From one Australian to another .
Aldi Supermarkets have a USB Turntable on special this week for $ A79 - no line in required - complete with Windows software for recording .
Simple , neat and good enough for making mp3s from your old vinyl .
Cassettes are a different story , but I am sure there are plenty of options in that area too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From one Australian to another.
Aldi Supermarkets have a USB Turntable on special this week for $A79 - no line in required - complete with Windows software for recording.
Simple, neat and good enough for making mp3s from your old vinyl.
Cassettes are a different story, but I am sure there are plenty of options in that area too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577590</id>
	<title>audiophiles</title>
	<author>TheSHAD0W</author>
	<datestamp>1269263040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's inevitably some noise that creeps in with a line-level jack on your PC.  It's not much, but it drives audiophiles to distraction.  Moving it to a USB device helps reduce the noise by an order of magnitude or so.  That may be one thing driving the change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's inevitably some noise that creeps in with a line-level jack on your PC .
It 's not much , but it drives audiophiles to distraction .
Moving it to a USB device helps reduce the noise by an order of magnitude or so .
That may be one thing driving the change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's inevitably some noise that creeps in with a line-level jack on your PC.
It's not much, but it drives audiophiles to distraction.
Moving it to a USB device helps reduce the noise by an order of magnitude or so.
That may be one thing driving the change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31584362</id>
	<title>Re:audiophiles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269361920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>USB can actually hurt as much as it helps, especially in the case of ground issues on devices that aren't bus powered. One thing I dig about my macbook pro is that the 1/8" line in jack doubles as a optical line in with the proper cable. Completely electrically isolating the audio source is the only way to go here. My Numark decks have SPDIF out, I've got a cheap SPDIF-&gt;Toslink box in between that and the MBP, and it works well for digitizing LP's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>USB can actually hurt as much as it helps , especially in the case of ground issues on devices that are n't bus powered .
One thing I dig about my macbook pro is that the 1/8 " line in jack doubles as a optical line in with the proper cable .
Completely electrically isolating the audio source is the only way to go here .
My Numark decks have SPDIF out , I 've got a cheap SPDIF- &gt; Toslink box in between that and the MBP , and it works well for digitizing LP 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>USB can actually hurt as much as it helps, especially in the case of ground issues on devices that aren't bus powered.
One thing I dig about my macbook pro is that the 1/8" line in jack doubles as a optical line in with the proper cable.
Completely electrically isolating the audio source is the only way to go here.
My Numark decks have SPDIF out, I've got a cheap SPDIF-&gt;Toslink box in between that and the MBP, and it works well for digitizing LP's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577626</id>
	<title>It is being replaced with the more futureproof...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Polar-Bear-In jack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Polar-Bear-In jack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Polar-Bear-In jack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31581026</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>BiggerIsBetter</author>
	<datestamp>1269342840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why don't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack? Even many of the aftermarket ones don't have them (on the front, at least). Such a cheap part, and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.</p></div><p>Because a line-in jack can't control your device from the steering wheel controls. Get a <a href="http://www.diceelectronics.com/" title="diceelectronics.com">DICE</a> [diceelectronics.com] box or similar and do it properly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack ?
Even many of the aftermarket ones do n't have them ( on the front , at least ) .
Such a cheap part , and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.Because a line-in jack ca n't control your device from the steering wheel controls .
Get a DICE [ diceelectronics.com ] box or similar and do it properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack?
Even many of the aftermarket ones don't have them (on the front, at least).
Such a cheap part, and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.Because a line-in jack can't control your device from the steering wheel controls.
Get a DICE [diceelectronics.com] box or similar and do it properly.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579574</id>
	<title>Recording can be a challenge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269279900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I need to record stuff. (me blabbing)</p><p>Thing is, sound cards are subject to lots of internal interference. It's bad enough to torture my listeners with my speech, they shouldn't have to listen to crappy recordings as well.</p><p>This is why you don't want to simply attenuate a mic-in, low-z input will pull in lots of noise from the computer itself.</p><p>Also, if you're using compressors and other effects, you'll probably want a 24 bit recording (even if the finished product is 16 bit) because these effects can distort it (yes, even digital effects run after the initial recording..) my current setup introduces distortion, and the box lied.. it's not 24-bit..</p><p>For this reason, I've been looking at external USB "m-audio" sound cards, but I haven't heard anything about whether you get a true 24-bit, 96khz sampling rate on a linux box. Lots of stuff about "yea, works great" but no one seems to be willing to verify the sampling rate or whether it's truly 24 bit or some cooked up format. Haven't heard anything about the phantom power either.</p><p>It does seem line-in is a thing of the past, ask around and all you see are cards designed for playback.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I need to record stuff .
( me blabbing ) Thing is , sound cards are subject to lots of internal interference .
It 's bad enough to torture my listeners with my speech , they should n't have to listen to crappy recordings as well.This is why you do n't want to simply attenuate a mic-in , low-z input will pull in lots of noise from the computer itself.Also , if you 're using compressors and other effects , you 'll probably want a 24 bit recording ( even if the finished product is 16 bit ) because these effects can distort it ( yes , even digital effects run after the initial recording.. ) my current setup introduces distortion , and the box lied.. it 's not 24-bit..For this reason , I 've been looking at external USB " m-audio " sound cards , but I have n't heard anything about whether you get a true 24-bit , 96khz sampling rate on a linux box .
Lots of stuff about " yea , works great " but no one seems to be willing to verify the sampling rate or whether it 's truly 24 bit or some cooked up format .
Have n't heard anything about the phantom power either.It does seem line-in is a thing of the past , ask around and all you see are cards designed for playback .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I need to record stuff.
(me blabbing)Thing is, sound cards are subject to lots of internal interference.
It's bad enough to torture my listeners with my speech, they shouldn't have to listen to crappy recordings as well.This is why you don't want to simply attenuate a mic-in, low-z input will pull in lots of noise from the computer itself.Also, if you're using compressors and other effects, you'll probably want a 24 bit recording (even if the finished product is 16 bit) because these effects can distort it (yes, even digital effects run after the initial recording..) my current setup introduces distortion, and the box lied.. it's not 24-bit..For this reason, I've been looking at external USB "m-audio" sound cards, but I haven't heard anything about whether you get a true 24-bit, 96khz sampling rate on a linux box.
Lots of stuff about "yea, works great" but no one seems to be willing to verify the sampling rate or whether it's truly 24 bit or some cooked up format.
Haven't heard anything about the phantom power either.It does seem line-in is a thing of the past, ask around and all you see are cards designed for playback.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578388</id>
	<title>but...</title>
	<author>Velox\_SwiftFox</author>
	<datestamp>1269268440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where will I plug in my high-fidelity stereo aux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where will I plug in my high-fidelity stereo aux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where will I plug in my high-fidelity stereo aux?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583952</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>bhtooefr</author>
	<datestamp>1269360360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even freaking Aveos have line-in standard nowadays, IIRC.</p><p>It's just aftermarket that sucks. And I have a low-end head unit that has rear-accessible line-in, and ran a cable to my car's center console for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even freaking Aveos have line-in standard nowadays , IIRC.It 's just aftermarket that sucks .
And I have a low-end head unit that has rear-accessible line-in , and ran a cable to my car 's center console for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even freaking Aveos have line-in standard nowadays, IIRC.It's just aftermarket that sucks.
And I have a low-end head unit that has rear-accessible line-in, and ran a cable to my car's center console for that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579204</id>
	<title>More importantly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269276060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...why don't cars come with 8-track decks anymore? The mind boggles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...why do n't cars come with 8-track decks anymore ?
The mind boggles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...why don't cars come with 8-track decks anymore?
The mind boggles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577928</id>
	<title>Get a USB device</title>
	<author>steveha</author>
	<datestamp>1269265020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are lots of USB devices out there with a line-in jack.</p><p>Here's one I like a lot.  Unfortunately, Turtle Beach has discontinued this product; fortunately, there are some still out there, so buy one now before it's too late.</p><p><a href="http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/audio-advantage-srm/home.aspx" title="turtlebeach.com">http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/audio-advantage-srm/home.aspx</a> [turtlebeach.com]</p><p>P.S. This is discontinued... does anyone know where I can find anything remotely similar that is not discontinued?</p><p>steveha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are lots of USB devices out there with a line-in jack.Here 's one I like a lot .
Unfortunately , Turtle Beach has discontinued this product ; fortunately , there are some still out there , so buy one now before it 's too late.http : //www.turtlebeach.com/products/audio-advantage-srm/home.aspx [ turtlebeach.com ] P.S .
This is discontinued... does anyone know where I can find anything remotely similar that is not discontinued ? steveha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are lots of USB devices out there with a line-in jack.Here's one I like a lot.
Unfortunately, Turtle Beach has discontinued this product; fortunately, there are some still out there, so buy one now before it's too late.http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/audio-advantage-srm/home.aspx [turtlebeach.com]P.S.
This is discontinued... does anyone know where I can find anything remotely similar that is not discontinued?steveha</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580126</id>
	<title>Welcome to basic functionality</title>
	<author>Redlazer</author>
	<datestamp>1269287520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have never seen a motherboard or sound card without line in.
<p>
There is also a receiver, connected to the computer. This would get you near-perfect replication in some cases I think. I could be wrong.
</p><p>
I have the same requirement, as I want to listen to music all the time, and I have all my music on my laptop. My laptop is connected to my desktop to an Asus PCIE sound card, and just recently, I grabbed an HDMI 7.1 receiver.
</p><p>
The receiver has a plethora of sources available to it, and it is a reasonably intelligent device. It is more reliable than ATI's sound-over-HDMI drivers, which suck. But, I could also tell you that Sarah Palin is an idiot, or that the sky is blue, or that grass is really a pretty cool thing.
</p><p>
The receiver itself has two options available to it for special recording, some sort of crazy audiophile mumbo jumbo.
</p><p>
Additionally, most motherboards these days also have auto-sense jacks. You can force the motherboard to use any jack as anything, line in, left/right out, mic, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never seen a motherboard or sound card without line in .
There is also a receiver , connected to the computer .
This would get you near-perfect replication in some cases I think .
I could be wrong .
I have the same requirement , as I want to listen to music all the time , and I have all my music on my laptop .
My laptop is connected to my desktop to an Asus PCIE sound card , and just recently , I grabbed an HDMI 7.1 receiver .
The receiver has a plethora of sources available to it , and it is a reasonably intelligent device .
It is more reliable than ATI 's sound-over-HDMI drivers , which suck .
But , I could also tell you that Sarah Palin is an idiot , or that the sky is blue , or that grass is really a pretty cool thing .
The receiver itself has two options available to it for special recording , some sort of crazy audiophile mumbo jumbo .
Additionally , most motherboards these days also have auto-sense jacks .
You can force the motherboard to use any jack as anything , line in , left/right out , mic , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never seen a motherboard or sound card without line in.
There is also a receiver, connected to the computer.
This would get you near-perfect replication in some cases I think.
I could be wrong.
I have the same requirement, as I want to listen to music all the time, and I have all my music on my laptop.
My laptop is connected to my desktop to an Asus PCIE sound card, and just recently, I grabbed an HDMI 7.1 receiver.
The receiver has a plethora of sources available to it, and it is a reasonably intelligent device.
It is more reliable than ATI's sound-over-HDMI drivers, which suck.
But, I could also tell you that Sarah Palin is an idiot, or that the sky is blue, or that grass is really a pretty cool thing.
The receiver itself has two options available to it for special recording, some sort of crazy audiophile mumbo jumbo.
Additionally, most motherboards these days also have auto-sense jacks.
You can force the motherboard to use any jack as anything, line in, left/right out, mic, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31581580</id>
	<title>Anything-in</title>
	<author>hrimhari</author>
	<datestamp>1269348780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I checked, when there's only one "in", you can tell the sound mixer if it's a "line" or "mic" input. Try these steps (in Windows XP, on my Dell D620):</p><p>1. Double-click the speaker icon in your task bar. The Mixer application (with multiple volume levels) should open.<br>2. Click on Options, then Properties. The Properties window should appear.<br>3. Select "Adjust volume for" "Recording".<br>4. Click OK. The mixer now morphed into the "in" controls.<br>5. Under "Line In", click on [ ] Select. Your "in" should magically become a line-in input.<br>6. Enjoy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked , when there 's only one " in " , you can tell the sound mixer if it 's a " line " or " mic " input .
Try these steps ( in Windows XP , on my Dell D620 ) : 1 .
Double-click the speaker icon in your task bar .
The Mixer application ( with multiple volume levels ) should open.2 .
Click on Options , then Properties .
The Properties window should appear.3 .
Select " Adjust volume for " " Recording " .4 .
Click OK. The mixer now morphed into the " in " controls.5 .
Under " Line In " , click on [ ] Select .
Your " in " should magically become a line-in input.6 .
Enjoy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked, when there's only one "in", you can tell the sound mixer if it's a "line" or "mic" input.
Try these steps (in Windows XP, on my Dell D620):1.
Double-click the speaker icon in your task bar.
The Mixer application (with multiple volume levels) should open.2.
Click on Options, then Properties.
The Properties window should appear.3.
Select "Adjust volume for" "Recording".4.
Click OK. The mixer now morphed into the "in" controls.5.
Under "Line In", click on [ ] Select.
Your "in" should magically become a line-in input.6.
Enjoy!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579974</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, it's dying</title>
	<author>blackraven14250</author>
	<datestamp>1269285240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best thing is that those examples of yours, IDE, floppy, and ISA are all absolutely outdated and replaced by a different interface, not just dropped altogether. The <em>real</em> equivalent in this scenario would be if they dropped analog line in <em>in favor of</em> a optical line in, but you obviously don't see what happened to IDE, floppy drives, and ISA ports. They were all superseded by newer technologies, not dropped altogether as a concept.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best thing is that those examples of yours , IDE , floppy , and ISA are all absolutely outdated and replaced by a different interface , not just dropped altogether .
The real equivalent in this scenario would be if they dropped analog line in in favor of a optical line in , but you obviously do n't see what happened to IDE , floppy drives , and ISA ports .
They were all superseded by newer technologies , not dropped altogether as a concept .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best thing is that those examples of yours, IDE, floppy, and ISA are all absolutely outdated and replaced by a different interface, not just dropped altogether.
The real equivalent in this scenario would be if they dropped analog line in in favor of a optical line in, but you obviously don't see what happened to IDE, floppy drives, and ISA ports.
They were all superseded by newer technologies, not dropped altogether as a concept.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579334</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31586498</id>
	<title>Strange...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269370020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...most mb I've seen still have the full complement of audio I/O ports, and two MSI notebooks that I've had in the last 18m, one just coming up on 1y old both have had line-in plus the rest of the ports as well as digital.  I'd expect Apple product to have FAR fewer I/O ports, and possibly some of the other "brands", e.g. Lenovo.  But also remember many companies don't even make their own notebooks(MSI &amp; Asus do), but re-badge from OEMs like Clevo/Sager or MSI, e.g. Alienware.  (These companies and a few other make notebook chassis, motherboard and LCD leaving CPU/RAM/hdd/optical disk/possibly GPU up to a re-seller to fill so you'd still have the same basic I/O ports that the base model offered.  In the case of MSI it's a better deal in the end to buy their retail products v. a build from a re-seller unless you want to customize something beyond what MSI offers as a retail model in your region, e.g. hdd, CPU.  Most MSI barebones come pre-packaged with the GPU while Clevo/Sager usually  have options.)</p><p>Probably want to check online for particular notebook specs, and maybe even consider purchasing online v. the limited offerings that b&amp;m stores tend to have or the cut down version that they offer at inflated prices. (My favorite is "Best" Buy with lower specs/less warranty so that they can load on their overpriced extended warranty on you, but it generally isn't worth it even at their sale prices as they tend to have low res LCD panels v. say what ASUS would offer through better retailers... mostly small shops and/or online warranty case here 1y + then buy "Best" Buy's plans v. 1y accidental damage coverage + 2 additional years of general warranty coverage.  MSI has 2y general warranty coverage IIRC, and their chassis are noticeably smaller than ASUS/Clevo in the same class range.  Tom's hardware has a review of a quad core GT725(I have dual/P8600) from last summer IIRC, although their build quality comments GREATLY differ from mine, e.g. wobbly battery?  Also a thing about MSI is that their 17"(Gx 7yz (x=X or T, y/z = 0-9, MS-17yz barebones) models have a noticeably better build quality than their 15" models Gx 6yz (MS-16yz barebones)...  those tend to have keyboard "flex" problems)</p><p>Also, I'd seriously consider another desktop just for upgradeability unless you really need/want a mobile platform.</p><p>Also, have you looked to see if there are any USB audio products?  Or possibly Express Card Audio(newer external slot interface for notebooks) cards w/line-in? As a way around the base limitations of a desired model...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...most mb I 've seen still have the full complement of audio I/O ports , and two MSI notebooks that I 've had in the last 18m , one just coming up on 1y old both have had line-in plus the rest of the ports as well as digital .
I 'd expect Apple product to have FAR fewer I/O ports , and possibly some of the other " brands " , e.g .
Lenovo. But also remember many companies do n't even make their own notebooks ( MSI &amp; Asus do ) , but re-badge from OEMs like Clevo/Sager or MSI , e.g .
Alienware. ( These companies and a few other make notebook chassis , motherboard and LCD leaving CPU/RAM/hdd/optical disk/possibly GPU up to a re-seller to fill so you 'd still have the same basic I/O ports that the base model offered .
In the case of MSI it 's a better deal in the end to buy their retail products v. a build from a re-seller unless you want to customize something beyond what MSI offers as a retail model in your region , e.g .
hdd , CPU .
Most MSI barebones come pre-packaged with the GPU while Clevo/Sager usually have options .
) Probably want to check online for particular notebook specs , and maybe even consider purchasing online v. the limited offerings that b&amp;m stores tend to have or the cut down version that they offer at inflated prices .
( My favorite is " Best " Buy with lower specs/less warranty so that they can load on their overpriced extended warranty on you , but it generally is n't worth it even at their sale prices as they tend to have low res LCD panels v. say what ASUS would offer through better retailers... mostly small shops and/or online warranty case here 1y + then buy " Best " Buy 's plans v. 1y accidental damage coverage + 2 additional years of general warranty coverage .
MSI has 2y general warranty coverage IIRC , and their chassis are noticeably smaller than ASUS/Clevo in the same class range .
Tom 's hardware has a review of a quad core GT725 ( I have dual/P8600 ) from last summer IIRC , although their build quality comments GREATLY differ from mine , e.g .
wobbly battery ?
Also a thing about MSI is that their 17 " ( Gx 7yz ( x = X or T , y/z = 0-9 , MS-17yz barebones ) models have a noticeably better build quality than their 15 " models Gx 6yz ( MS-16yz barebones ) ... those tend to have keyboard " flex " problems ) Also , I 'd seriously consider another desktop just for upgradeability unless you really need/want a mobile platform.Also , have you looked to see if there are any USB audio products ?
Or possibly Express Card Audio ( newer external slot interface for notebooks ) cards w/line-in ?
As a way around the base limitations of a desired model.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...most mb I've seen still have the full complement of audio I/O ports, and two MSI notebooks that I've had in the last 18m, one just coming up on 1y old both have had line-in plus the rest of the ports as well as digital.
I'd expect Apple product to have FAR fewer I/O ports, and possibly some of the other "brands", e.g.
Lenovo.  But also remember many companies don't even make their own notebooks(MSI &amp; Asus do), but re-badge from OEMs like Clevo/Sager or MSI, e.g.
Alienware.  (These companies and a few other make notebook chassis, motherboard and LCD leaving CPU/RAM/hdd/optical disk/possibly GPU up to a re-seller to fill so you'd still have the same basic I/O ports that the base model offered.
In the case of MSI it's a better deal in the end to buy their retail products v. a build from a re-seller unless you want to customize something beyond what MSI offers as a retail model in your region, e.g.
hdd, CPU.
Most MSI barebones come pre-packaged with the GPU while Clevo/Sager usually  have options.
)Probably want to check online for particular notebook specs, and maybe even consider purchasing online v. the limited offerings that b&amp;m stores tend to have or the cut down version that they offer at inflated prices.
(My favorite is "Best" Buy with lower specs/less warranty so that they can load on their overpriced extended warranty on you, but it generally isn't worth it even at their sale prices as they tend to have low res LCD panels v. say what ASUS would offer through better retailers... mostly small shops and/or online warranty case here 1y + then buy "Best" Buy's plans v. 1y accidental damage coverage + 2 additional years of general warranty coverage.
MSI has 2y general warranty coverage IIRC, and their chassis are noticeably smaller than ASUS/Clevo in the same class range.
Tom's hardware has a review of a quad core GT725(I have dual/P8600) from last summer IIRC, although their build quality comments GREATLY differ from mine, e.g.
wobbly battery?
Also a thing about MSI is that their 17"(Gx 7yz (x=X or T, y/z = 0-9, MS-17yz barebones) models have a noticeably better build quality than their 15" models Gx 6yz (MS-16yz barebones)...  those tend to have keyboard "flex" problems)Also, I'd seriously consider another desktop just for upgradeability unless you really need/want a mobile platform.Also, have you looked to see if there are any USB audio products?
Or possibly Express Card Audio(newer external slot interface for notebooks) cards w/line-in?
As a way around the base limitations of a desired model...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583354</id>
	<title>Re:If it's vinyl you have...</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1269357900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do any of these come with decent phono cartridges? I rather doubt it, especially at the low end of that range. If you're trying to get high-quality rips, you probably ought to be spending upwards of $75 for the cartridge alone... a nice mid-range Audio Technica or somesuch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do any of these come with decent phono cartridges ?
I rather doubt it , especially at the low end of that range .
If you 're trying to get high-quality rips , you probably ought to be spending upwards of $ 75 for the cartridge alone... a nice mid-range Audio Technica or somesuch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do any of these come with decent phono cartridges?
I rather doubt it, especially at the low end of that range.
If you're trying to get high-quality rips, you probably ought to be spending upwards of $75 for the cartridge alone... a nice mid-range Audio Technica or somesuch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578438</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31581436</id>
	<title>Short answer: NO</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1269347400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Long answer: You will ALWAYS have (even low-end) musician sound cards with analog inputs. Since the very point of those sound cards is, to have really good A/D converters. (Often lots of them, and pretty expensive ones too.)</p><p>Reality still is analog. Speakers are, Microphones are. And will always be, as long as they exist in reality.<br>And the only difference from a microphone jack and a line-in jack is the amplification. Which is configurable to whatever you like on any serious sound card anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me still loves his trusty old DMX 6fire 24/96.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) (I also have a Audigy and a onboard one. And when I switch back and forth, both sound like totally distorted crap.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Long answer : You will ALWAYS have ( even low-end ) musician sound cards with analog inputs .
Since the very point of those sound cards is , to have really good A/D converters .
( Often lots of them , and pretty expensive ones too .
) Reality still is analog .
Speakers are , Microphones are .
And will always be , as long as they exist in reality.And the only difference from a microphone jack and a line-in jack is the amplification .
Which is configurable to whatever you like on any serious sound card anyway .
: ) /me still loves his trusty old DMX 6fire 24/96 .
: ) ( I also have a Audigy and a onboard one .
And when I switch back and forth , both sound like totally distorted crap .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Long answer: You will ALWAYS have (even low-end) musician sound cards with analog inputs.
Since the very point of those sound cards is, to have really good A/D converters.
(Often lots of them, and pretty expensive ones too.
)Reality still is analog.
Speakers are, Microphones are.
And will always be, as long as they exist in reality.And the only difference from a microphone jack and a line-in jack is the amplification.
Which is configurable to whatever you like on any serious sound card anyway.
:) /me still loves his trusty old DMX 6fire 24/96.
:) (I also have a Audigy and a onboard one.
And when I switch back and forth, both sound like totally distorted crap.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579046</id>
	<title>uh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269274260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578120</id>
	<title>Reason: why no line-in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269266460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Many older sound cards were shipped with line-out, microphone-in, and a line-in jacks. For years I've used such a line-in jack on an old Windows 2000 dinosaur desktop that I bought in 2000 (600 Mhz PIII) to capture the stereo audio signal from an old Technics receiver.</p> </div><p>We've arranged this with hardware manufacturers, so that you stop pirating music, Johnny.<br>regards,<br>RIAA</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many older sound cards were shipped with line-out , microphone-in , and a line-in jacks .
For years I 've used such a line-in jack on an old Windows 2000 dinosaur desktop that I bought in 2000 ( 600 Mhz PIII ) to capture the stereo audio signal from an old Technics receiver .
We 've arranged this with hardware manufacturers , so that you stop pirating music , Johnny.regards,RIAA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many older sound cards were shipped with line-out, microphone-in, and a line-in jacks.
For years I've used such a line-in jack on an old Windows 2000 dinosaur desktop that I bought in 2000 (600 Mhz PIII) to capture the stereo audio signal from an old Technics receiver.
We've arranged this with hardware manufacturers, so that you stop pirating music, Johnny.regards,RIAA
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578028</id>
	<title>iAudio U3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269265740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I purchased an iAudio U3 some time ago. They don't seem to be in production anymore, but they were packed with features, including in-line recording. Very convenient for recording short clips right to the player on occasion, from other friends players if we were on the go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I purchased an iAudio U3 some time ago .
They do n't seem to be in production anymore , but they were packed with features , including in-line recording .
Very convenient for recording short clips right to the player on occasion , from other friends players if we were on the go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I purchased an iAudio U3 some time ago.
They don't seem to be in production anymore, but they were packed with features, including in-line recording.
Very convenient for recording short clips right to the player on occasion, from other friends players if we were on the go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578050</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Archon-X</author>
	<datestamp>1269265920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on the card, really, but in a perfect world, line-in is 75ohm/150mv and mic.is 600ohm/2.5mv.</p><p>More information: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom\_power" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom\_power</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the card , really , but in a perfect world , line-in is 75ohm/150mv and mic.is 600ohm/2.5mv.More information : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom \ _power [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the card, really, but in a perfect world, line-in is 75ohm/150mv and mic.is 600ohm/2.5mv.More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom\_power [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579380</id>
	<title>Re:audiophiles</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1269277980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's inevitably some noise that creeps in with a line-level jack on your PC. It's not much, but it drives audiophiles to distraction. Moving it to a USB device helps reduce the noise by an order of magnitude or so. That may be one thing driving the change.</p></div></blockquote><p>Just charge them 10x as much for the same laptop, and they'll be fine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's inevitably some noise that creeps in with a line-level jack on your PC .
It 's not much , but it drives audiophiles to distraction .
Moving it to a USB device helps reduce the noise by an order of magnitude or so .
That may be one thing driving the change.Just charge them 10x as much for the same laptop , and they 'll be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's inevitably some noise that creeps in with a line-level jack on your PC.
It's not much, but it drives audiophiles to distraction.
Moving it to a USB device helps reduce the noise by an order of magnitude or so.
That may be one thing driving the change.Just charge them 10x as much for the same laptop, and they'll be fine.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577648</id>
	<title>Get a USB line in adapter</title>
	<author>Phat\_Tony</author>
	<datestamp>1269263340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, a lot of new laptops have neither a microphone nor line-level audio input jack. Most people will never use it.<br> <br>

One easy solution is just to get a <a href="http://www.dak.com/reviews/2086story.cfm" title="dak.com">USB line in adapter</a> [dak.com] for around $40, rather than having to keep an entire dinosaur computer around for just one function.<br> <br>

I don't know how well it works, but here's a <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=250556472036" title="ebay.com">$10 adapter</a> [ebay.com] on Ebay that does video too. There are other similar products around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , a lot of new laptops have neither a microphone nor line-level audio input jack .
Most people will never use it .
One easy solution is just to get a USB line in adapter [ dak.com ] for around $ 40 , rather than having to keep an entire dinosaur computer around for just one function .
I do n't know how well it works , but here 's a $ 10 adapter [ ebay.com ] on Ebay that does video too .
There are other similar products around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, a lot of new laptops have neither a microphone nor line-level audio input jack.
Most people will never use it.
One easy solution is just to get a USB line in adapter [dak.com] for around $40, rather than having to keep an entire dinosaur computer around for just one function.
I don't know how well it works, but here's a $10 adapter [ebay.com] on Ebay that does video too.
There are other similar products around.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31582462</id>
	<title>Nothing to see here. Move along.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269354360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a better computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a better computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a better computer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579070</id>
	<title>my 1520 has a dual use port</title>
	<author>majortom1981</author>
	<datestamp>1269274560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My inspiron 1520 has a mic/line in port. can be either one. I think its more of a space issue. Anyway they havent been gotten rid of. Just combined with the mic port</htmltext>
<tokenext>My inspiron 1520 has a mic/line in port .
can be either one .
I think its more of a space issue .
Anyway they havent been gotten rid of .
Just combined with the mic port</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My inspiron 1520 has a mic/line in port.
can be either one.
I think its more of a space issue.
Anyway they havent been gotten rid of.
Just combined with the mic port</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577824</id>
	<title>try buying a desktop</title>
	<author>cenobyte40k</author>
	<datestamp>1269264240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All the desktop machines I have have them, including the ultra-cheap large buyer business workstation that I have floating around. Desktop might take up a little more room, but they are more efficient and cost less.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All the desktop machines I have have them , including the ultra-cheap large buyer business workstation that I have floating around .
Desktop might take up a little more room , but they are more efficient and cost less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the desktop machines I have have them, including the ultra-cheap large buyer business workstation that I have floating around.
Desktop might take up a little more room, but they are more efficient and cost less.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578986</id>
	<title>Really?!?</title>
	<author>Mike610544</author>
	<datestamp>1269273540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've looked around for USB sound cards that include a line-in jack, but I haven't been too impressed by the selection.</p></div><p>It's one of the most saturated segments of audio gear: <a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB\_Audio\_Interfaces/popular/all" title="sweetwater.com">Sweetwater</a> [sweetwater.com] has 119 models. For audio stuff it's frequently a good call to buy a "professional" product; the consumer stuff is designed with the - mostly correct - assumption that people don't care about audio quality.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've looked around for USB sound cards that include a line-in jack , but I have n't been too impressed by the selection.It 's one of the most saturated segments of audio gear : Sweetwater [ sweetwater.com ] has 119 models .
For audio stuff it 's frequently a good call to buy a " professional " product ; the consumer stuff is designed with the - mostly correct - assumption that people do n't care about audio quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've looked around for USB sound cards that include a line-in jack, but I haven't been too impressed by the selection.It's one of the most saturated segments of audio gear: Sweetwater [sweetwater.com] has 119 models.
For audio stuff it's frequently a good call to buy a "professional" product; the consumer stuff is designed with the - mostly correct - assumption that people don't care about audio quality.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577660</id>
	<title>If true, its because nobody cares</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Other than a few Slashdot readers and luddites, few modern PC purchasers need a line-in jack.  iTunes and Amazon won, for $9.99 you can get a perfect MP3 rip of my old vinyl, without spending 1+ hours per album ripping then tweaking, then exporting.</p><p>It went out with a whimper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Other than a few Slashdot readers and luddites , few modern PC purchasers need a line-in jack .
iTunes and Amazon won , for $ 9.99 you can get a perfect MP3 rip of my old vinyl , without spending 1 + hours per album ripping then tweaking , then exporting.It went out with a whimper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other than a few Slashdot readers and luddites, few modern PC purchasers need a line-in jack.
iTunes and Amazon won, for $9.99 you can get a perfect MP3 rip of my old vinyl, without spending 1+ hours per album ripping then tweaking, then exporting.It went out with a whimper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578186</id>
	<title>This article got published? really?</title>
	<author>steppin\_razor\_LA</author>
	<datestamp>1269267000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no conspiracy. Most people don't need line-ins on a laptop. Either:</p><p>1. Find a larger laptop that has the jacks<br>2. Purchase an external sound device (i.e. USB)<br>3. Use a desktop</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no conspiracy .
Most people do n't need line-ins on a laptop .
Either : 1. Find a larger laptop that has the jacks2 .
Purchase an external sound device ( i.e .
USB ) 3. Use a desktop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no conspiracy.
Most people don't need line-ins on a laptop.
Either:1. Find a larger laptop that has the jacks2.
Purchase an external sound device (i.e.
USB)3. Use a desktop</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578788</id>
	<title>Re:oh my</title>
	<author>LardBrattish</author>
	<datestamp>1269271920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The answer to your question is that he lives in Australia where you can get a tax break on laptops but not desktops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer to your question is that he lives in Australia where you can get a tax break on laptops but not desktops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer to your question is that he lives in Australia where you can get a tax break on laptops but not desktops.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580446</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269335700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I beg to differ.</p><p>A typical PC soundcard microphone port provides a small amount of power on the 'ring' connector. This is used by the preamplifier of an electret microphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I beg to differ.A typical PC soundcard microphone port provides a small amount of power on the 'ring ' connector .
This is used by the preamplifier of an electret microphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I beg to differ.A typical PC soundcard microphone port provides a small amount of power on the 'ring' connector.
This is used by the preamplifier of an electret microphone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579258</id>
	<title>Re:audiophiles</title>
	<author>Falconhell</author>
	<datestamp>1269276660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It drives audiophiles to distraction".</p><p>So where's the downside  (:</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It drives audiophiles to distraction " .So where 's the downside ( :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It drives audiophiles to distraction".So where's the downside  (:</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578648</id>
	<title>Seriously?!</title>
	<author>multimediavt</author>
	<datestamp>1269270600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please.  <a href="http://www.m-audio.com/products/en\_us/Transit.html" title="m-audio.com">http://www.m-audio.com/products/en\_us/Transit.html</a> [m-audio.com]  On order, will review and repost.  But, please.  There are plenty of USB and FireWire (IEEE1394) devices that have -6 dB line in jacks; from 1/8" stereo to multi-input XLR, 24-bit/96kHz no less!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please .
http : //www.m-audio.com/products/en \ _us/Transit.html [ m-audio.com ] On order , will review and repost .
But , please .
There are plenty of USB and FireWire ( IEEE1394 ) devices that have -6 dB line in jacks ; from 1/8 " stereo to multi-input XLR , 24-bit/96kHz no less !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en\_us/Transit.html [m-audio.com]  On order, will review and repost.
But, please.
There are plenty of USB and FireWire (IEEE1394) devices that have -6 dB line in jacks; from 1/8" stereo to multi-input XLR, 24-bit/96kHz no less!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577768</id>
	<title>line-in?</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1269263940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I still am unsure of the difference between line-in and microphone-in, other than audio level (sensitivity).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still am unsure of the difference between line-in and microphone-in , other than audio level ( sensitivity ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still am unsure of the difference between line-in and microphone-in, other than audio level (sensitivity).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583842</id>
	<title>Re:Get a Mac</title>
	<author>dfghjk</author>
	<datestamp>1269359940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Macbooks do not have longer lifespans than other notebooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Macbooks do not have longer lifespans than other notebooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Macbooks do not have longer lifespans than other notebooks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577646</id>
	<title>Not sure what you're looking at...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My latest three desktops have all come with a line-in, as have my latest two notebooks, including a netbook.  Only my wife's MacBook doesn't have Line In, of my most recently purchased hardware.</p><p>Also, there's the Griffin iMic, a quite cheap device with line in.  (Switchable between mic-level and line-level in, even.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My latest three desktops have all come with a line-in , as have my latest two notebooks , including a netbook .
Only my wife 's MacBook does n't have Line In , of my most recently purchased hardware.Also , there 's the Griffin iMic , a quite cheap device with line in .
( Switchable between mic-level and line-level in , even .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My latest three desktops have all come with a line-in, as have my latest two notebooks, including a netbook.
Only my wife's MacBook doesn't have Line In, of my most recently purchased hardware.Also, there's the Griffin iMic, a quite cheap device with line in.
(Switchable between mic-level and line-level in, even.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579346</id>
	<title>You could do it this way...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269277620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about line going extinct, mine has one...</p><p>As a professional musician, I tend to use something like this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/-Lambda-USB-Desktop-Studio?sku=245506 to record music into my computer.  You can easily buy a 1/8th" stereo or TRS to 2 1/4" line Y cable, or some cable / adapter combo to accomplsh this task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about line going extinct , mine has one...As a professional musician , I tend to use something like this : http : //pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/-Lambda-USB-Desktop-Studio ? sku = 245506 to record music into my computer .
You can easily buy a 1/8th " stereo or TRS to 2 1/4 " line Y cable , or some cable / adapter combo to accomplsh this task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about line going extinct, mine has one...As a professional musician, I tend to use something like this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/-Lambda-USB-Desktop-Studio?sku=245506 to record music into my computer.
You can easily buy a 1/8th" stereo or TRS to 2 1/4" line Y cable, or some cable / adapter combo to accomplsh this task.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583128</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1269357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, no it is not hooey. Most PC soundcard mic jacks use a standard TRS (three contact) jack with +5V on the ring contact to power the preamp in the mic. This is a completely different thing from +48V phantom power.</p><p>Link: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS\_connector#Computer\_sound" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS\_connector#Computer\_sound</a> [wikipedia.org] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , no it is not hooey .
Most PC soundcard mic jacks use a standard TRS ( three contact ) jack with + 5V on the ring contact to power the preamp in the mic .
This is a completely different thing from + 48V phantom power.Link : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS \ _connector # Computer \ _sound [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, no it is not hooey.
Most PC soundcard mic jacks use a standard TRS (three contact) jack with +5V on the ring contact to power the preamp in the mic.
This is a completely different thing from +48V phantom power.Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS\_connector#Computer\_sound [wikipedia.org] </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579224</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269276240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it (to power the microphone up)<br>Line In doesn't provide any power, it only analyses incoming signal from external source, and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.</p></div><p>Not sure why this was modded +5 informative; it's a load of hooey...</p><p>Normal dynamic microphones are passive and do not require any external power to "power the microphone up". They generate a small current, usually from a coil moving inside a magnet. This is why you need a pre-amp of some kind to bring your mic-level signal up to a line-level signal that a regular amp can deal with. Your sound card has this built in.</p><p>If you have a condensor microphone, then it will need external power of some kind to function. This usually comes in the form of phantom power (+48V usually) over a balanced twisted pair microphone wire. I can promise you that your average soundcard (and pretty much anything with 1/8" jacks) does *not* supply phantom power. You need an external power supply of some kind to use a condensor mic with your soundcard.</p><p>The only real difference between a line in and a mic in on your soundcard is the expected input gain. A mic input has a pre-amp and expects a mic level input. If you feed it a line level input and it doesn't attenuate it (or bypass the preamp) then you'll clip the hell out of the signal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it ( to power the microphone up ) Line In does n't provide any power , it only analyses incoming signal from external source , and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.Not sure why this was modded + 5 informative ; it 's a load of hooey...Normal dynamic microphones are passive and do not require any external power to " power the microphone up " .
They generate a small current , usually from a coil moving inside a magnet .
This is why you need a pre-amp of some kind to bring your mic-level signal up to a line-level signal that a regular amp can deal with .
Your sound card has this built in.If you have a condensor microphone , then it will need external power of some kind to function .
This usually comes in the form of phantom power ( + 48V usually ) over a balanced twisted pair microphone wire .
I can promise you that your average soundcard ( and pretty much anything with 1/8 " jacks ) does * not * supply phantom power .
You need an external power supply of some kind to use a condensor mic with your soundcard.The only real difference between a line in and a mic in on your soundcard is the expected input gain .
A mic input has a pre-amp and expects a mic level input .
If you feed it a line level input and it does n't attenuate it ( or bypass the preamp ) then you 'll clip the hell out of the signal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it (to power the microphone up)Line In doesn't provide any power, it only analyses incoming signal from external source, and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.Not sure why this was modded +5 informative; it's a load of hooey...Normal dynamic microphones are passive and do not require any external power to "power the microphone up".
They generate a small current, usually from a coil moving inside a magnet.
This is why you need a pre-amp of some kind to bring your mic-level signal up to a line-level signal that a regular amp can deal with.
Your sound card has this built in.If you have a condensor microphone, then it will need external power of some kind to function.
This usually comes in the form of phantom power (+48V usually) over a balanced twisted pair microphone wire.
I can promise you that your average soundcard (and pretty much anything with 1/8" jacks) does *not* supply phantom power.
You need an external power supply of some kind to use a condensor mic with your soundcard.The only real difference between a line in and a mic in on your soundcard is the expected input gain.
A mic input has a pre-amp and expects a mic level input.
If you feed it a line level input and it doesn't attenuate it (or bypass the preamp) then you'll clip the hell out of the signal.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578076</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578466</id>
	<title>Re:Mic Preamp Disable?</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1269269100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to adjust and monitor audio levels while recording; clipping is the audio equivalent of blowing out highlights in photography.  You may need to <i>manually</i> turn off the mic preamp ("Microphone Boost" on some sound cards) and then adjust the gain controls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to adjust and monitor audio levels while recording ; clipping is the audio equivalent of blowing out highlights in photography .
You may need to manually turn off the mic preamp ( " Microphone Boost " on some sound cards ) and then adjust the gain controls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to adjust and monitor audio levels while recording; clipping is the audio equivalent of blowing out highlights in photography.
You may need to manually turn off the mic preamp ("Microphone Boost" on some sound cards) and then adjust the gain controls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578938</id>
	<title>How fancy do you want?</title>
	<author>Ma'at</author>
	<datestamp>1269273180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hard to beat this: <a href="http://www.vintageking.com/Prism-Sound-Orpheus?sc=18&amp;category=388" title="vintageking.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vintageking.com/Prism-Sound-Orpheus?sc=18&amp;category=388</a> [vintageking.com]</p><p>There are tons of sound input devices marketed for music recording, and pretty much every price point you'd care to hit.  The Prism is pretty top-of-the-line, but I'm sure there is something that would fit your needs if you just want to back up LPs here:</p><p><a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB\_Audio\_Interfaces" title="sweetwater.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB\_Audio\_Interfaces</a> [sweetwater.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard to beat this : http : //www.vintageking.com/Prism-Sound-Orpheus ? sc = 18&amp;category = 388 [ vintageking.com ] There are tons of sound input devices marketed for music recording , and pretty much every price point you 'd care to hit .
The Prism is pretty top-of-the-line , but I 'm sure there is something that would fit your needs if you just want to back up LPs here : http : //www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB \ _Audio \ _Interfaces [ sweetwater.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to beat this: http://www.vintageking.com/Prism-Sound-Orpheus?sc=18&amp;category=388 [vintageking.com]There are tons of sound input devices marketed for music recording, and pretty much every price point you'd care to hit.
The Prism is pretty top-of-the-line, but I'm sure there is something that would fit your needs if you just want to back up LPs here:http://www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB\_Audio\_Interfaces [sweetwater.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579082</id>
	<title>Don't get a laptop then</title>
	<author>Braedley</author>
	<datestamp>1269274740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"[A]ll of the four laptops I've bought since then have omitted a line-in jack."</p><p>[Jamie Hyneman]Well there's your problem[/Jamie]
<br>Of course laptops have started leaving out the line in jack.  This is because the input gain on a mic-in can be brought down to a line in level, and as a previous poster mentioned, is already stereo.  Anyone serious enough to need a line in will most likely be using a PCI Express card, or at the worst an on board 5.1 audio chip (which will almost always include at least one plug that can be used for line in).  The extra complexity to include a line in on a laptop simply isn't worth it for most manufacturers.  For much less than $1000, you can get a brand new computer with a decent sound card to do what you want.  Suck it up if it means that much to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" [ A ] ll of the four laptops I 've bought since then have omitted a line-in jack .
" [ Jamie Hyneman ] Well there 's your problem [ /Jamie ] Of course laptops have started leaving out the line in jack .
This is because the input gain on a mic-in can be brought down to a line in level , and as a previous poster mentioned , is already stereo .
Anyone serious enough to need a line in will most likely be using a PCI Express card , or at the worst an on board 5.1 audio chip ( which will almost always include at least one plug that can be used for line in ) .
The extra complexity to include a line in on a laptop simply is n't worth it for most manufacturers .
For much less than $ 1000 , you can get a brand new computer with a decent sound card to do what you want .
Suck it up if it means that much to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"[A]ll of the four laptops I've bought since then have omitted a line-in jack.
"[Jamie Hyneman]Well there's your problem[/Jamie]
Of course laptops have started leaving out the line in jack.
This is because the input gain on a mic-in can be brought down to a line in level, and as a previous poster mentioned, is already stereo.
Anyone serious enough to need a line in will most likely be using a PCI Express card, or at the worst an on board 5.1 audio chip (which will almost always include at least one plug that can be used for line in).
The extra complexity to include a line in on a laptop simply isn't worth it for most manufacturers.
For much less than $1000, you can get a brand new computer with a decent sound card to do what you want.
Suck it up if it means that much to you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31581604</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269349080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's the third kind of microphone. The type that happens to be used in cheap headsets for instance. They're called electret microphones and need something upwards of 1.5 volts fed through a resistor of 2k or there about. Most soundcards provide this. In the case of my laptop line-in also doubles as mic-in. Left channel puts out a voltage. it's 2.05 volts and current out is 1.055mA. Yes I've measured, I'm a nerd. Making input impedance 1k94 which is a bit low for quite a few line sources. Right channel is 10k impedance. Line-level sensitivity is 1 volt and microphone sensitivity is a bit less than one mV. Maximum amplification is 45dB.</p><p>Obviously other soundcards may differ somewhat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's the third kind of microphone .
The type that happens to be used in cheap headsets for instance .
They 're called electret microphones and need something upwards of 1.5 volts fed through a resistor of 2k or there about .
Most soundcards provide this .
In the case of my laptop line-in also doubles as mic-in .
Left channel puts out a voltage .
it 's 2.05 volts and current out is 1.055mA .
Yes I 've measured , I 'm a nerd .
Making input impedance 1k94 which is a bit low for quite a few line sources .
Right channel is 10k impedance .
Line-level sensitivity is 1 volt and microphone sensitivity is a bit less than one mV .
Maximum amplification is 45dB.Obviously other soundcards may differ somewhat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's the third kind of microphone.
The type that happens to be used in cheap headsets for instance.
They're called electret microphones and need something upwards of 1.5 volts fed through a resistor of 2k or there about.
Most soundcards provide this.
In the case of my laptop line-in also doubles as mic-in.
Left channel puts out a voltage.
it's 2.05 volts and current out is 1.055mA.
Yes I've measured, I'm a nerd.
Making input impedance 1k94 which is a bit low for quite a few line sources.
Right channel is 10k impedance.
Line-level sensitivity is 1 volt and microphone sensitivity is a bit less than one mV.
Maximum amplification is 45dB.Obviously other soundcards may differ somewhat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580900</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>toxicity69</author>
	<datestamp>1269341520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my experience, Japanese cars from say 2005 onwards tend to have line-ins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , Japanese cars from say 2005 onwards tend to have line-ins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, Japanese cars from say 2005 onwards tend to have line-ins.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578056</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579912</id>
	<title>Not going dead anytime soon</title>
	<author>toxicity69</author>
	<datestamp>1269283920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think the line in jack is going to go extinct anytime soon. My current car, and a previous one, both had line-ins, and it was a major factor in the purchase of those vehicles. For the longest time, it was the only way to hook up an iPod or CD player (if the car didn't have one) or other things; I believe the satellite radios did it for awhile too, right?</p><p>Nowadays you can get a new car with an option to be "iPod compatible", but even if it works, it only works with iPods. Also, its an expensive option. A male-to-male line-in cable costs as much as $15 if you can't find a cheap one, but thats the upper limit. The options on new vehicles can add hundreds or thousands. Plus, the line-in "just works".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the line in jack is going to go extinct anytime soon .
My current car , and a previous one , both had line-ins , and it was a major factor in the purchase of those vehicles .
For the longest time , it was the only way to hook up an iPod or CD player ( if the car did n't have one ) or other things ; I believe the satellite radios did it for awhile too , right ? Nowadays you can get a new car with an option to be " iPod compatible " , but even if it works , it only works with iPods .
Also , its an expensive option .
A male-to-male line-in cable costs as much as $ 15 if you ca n't find a cheap one , but thats the upper limit .
The options on new vehicles can add hundreds or thousands .
Plus , the line-in " just works " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the line in jack is going to go extinct anytime soon.
My current car, and a previous one, both had line-ins, and it was a major factor in the purchase of those vehicles.
For the longest time, it was the only way to hook up an iPod or CD player (if the car didn't have one) or other things; I believe the satellite radios did it for awhile too, right?Nowadays you can get a new car with an option to be "iPod compatible", but even if it works, it only works with iPods.
Also, its an expensive option.
A male-to-male line-in cable costs as much as $15 if you can't find a cheap one, but thats the upper limit.
The options on new vehicles can add hundreds or thousands.
Plus, the line-in "just works".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31585548</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>sys\_mast</author>
	<datestamp>1269366360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Odd, the last aftermarket radio i bought for a car had one. A basic unit ~$150. So i guess you should put your money where your mouth is and only purchase units that have that feature. If everyone did that that is all companies would make.</p><p>As others have said, lots of cars now come with that standard. If you don't have it, you may be able to add line it via CD changer or other input. (yes and extra purchase)</p><p>If not everyone avoids units without, apparently it's not that important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Odd , the last aftermarket radio i bought for a car had one .
A basic unit ~ $ 150 .
So i guess you should put your money where your mouth is and only purchase units that have that feature .
If everyone did that that is all companies would make.As others have said , lots of cars now come with that standard .
If you do n't have it , you may be able to add line it via CD changer or other input .
( yes and extra purchase ) If not everyone avoids units without , apparently it 's not that important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odd, the last aftermarket radio i bought for a car had one.
A basic unit ~$150.
So i guess you should put your money where your mouth is and only purchase units that have that feature.
If everyone did that that is all companies would make.As others have said, lots of cars now come with that standard.
If you don't have it, you may be able to add line it via CD changer or other input.
(yes and extra purchase)If not everyone avoids units without, apparently it's not that important.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577582</id>
	<title>There Is Hope!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269262980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called an audio pad.  Magically takes the -10 dB IHF level of your Technics stereo down to the -45 to -52 dB mic level so you can plug it into your laptop.</p><p>Wait wait wait, it gets better...they're cheap.  And you can make them yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called an audio pad .
Magically takes the -10 dB IHF level of your Technics stereo down to the -45 to -52 dB mic level so you can plug it into your laptop.Wait wait wait , it gets better...they 're cheap .
And you can make them yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called an audio pad.
Magically takes the -10 dB IHF level of your Technics stereo down to the -45 to -52 dB mic level so you can plug it into your laptop.Wait wait wait, it gets better...they're cheap.
And you can make them yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583192</id>
	<title>Most motherboards have a line in</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1269357240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pretty much every motherboard I've bought in the past ~5 years has had a line in jack. Before you complain that the fidelity of onboard audio sucks, let me point out that it has gotten a lot better lately (at least on reputable brands like Asus). While onboard may still not be up to true high fidelity standards, it is "good enough" for the majority of non-professional use cases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much every motherboard I 've bought in the past ~ 5 years has had a line in jack .
Before you complain that the fidelity of onboard audio sucks , let me point out that it has gotten a lot better lately ( at least on reputable brands like Asus ) .
While onboard may still not be up to true high fidelity standards , it is " good enough " for the majority of non-professional use cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much every motherboard I've bought in the past ~5 years has had a line in jack.
Before you complain that the fidelity of onboard audio sucks, let me point out that it has gotten a lot better lately (at least on reputable brands like Asus).
While onboard may still not be up to true high fidelity standards, it is "good enough" for the majority of non-professional use cases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578580</id>
	<title>No line in on laptops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269269940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Folks here are imagining things. I've been buying laptops since before the Toshiba T1000. None. . . . none, have ever had line-in.  NO laptop has line in. None. Not one. Mic in is not the same thing. If you want line-in for a laptop, you need to buy an external soundcard.  Even though some people use it for one, and it can be done, the mic in not the same, and won't work for really critical work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Folks here are imagining things .
I 've been buying laptops since before the Toshiba T1000 .
None. .
. .
none , have ever had line-in .
NO laptop has line in .
None. Not one .
Mic in is not the same thing .
If you want line-in for a laptop , you need to buy an external soundcard .
Even though some people use it for one , and it can be done , the mic in not the same , and wo n't work for really critical work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Folks here are imagining things.
I've been buying laptops since before the Toshiba T1000.
None. .
. .
none, have ever had line-in.
NO laptop has line in.
None. Not one.
Mic in is not the same thing.
If you want line-in for a laptop, you need to buy an external soundcard.
Even though some people use it for one, and it can be done, the mic in not the same, and won't work for really critical work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579738</id>
	<title>We need them, but they could be better!</title>
	<author>John Pfeiffer</author>
	<datestamp>1269281640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microphone and line-in jacks are definitely under-appreciated these days.  Of course, less people need line-in jacks than used to, but microphone jacks are vital to online gaming.  All the same, they could make them more robust. A couple years ago, I built two nearly-identical new computers, one for me, and one for my father.</p><p>A couple months later, he wanted to hook up the microphone that came with the motherboard so he could use VOIP, I talked him through it, and it wasn't working...  Finally, I took the microphone and plugged it into my computer...suddenly my microphone jack didn't work anymore...  I still don't know what was wrong with the mic (It was the same exact one I had already had plugged into my motherboard) but it fried the mic ports on both motherboards.  I've recently taken to using my studio mic and mixer setup through a USB audio device for playing Left4Dead2 online with friends.... The sad irony of using a multi-hundred dollar audio rig to communicate things like "SHIT, SHIT, SHIT!  KILL THIS FUCKING THING!!!" is palpable.</p><p>The other day, I took part in an online drawing seminar featuring Dave Gibbons... I wanted to record it (Something I wish I had done with the last webinar I attended) so I set up Camtasia Studio, only to find out that if I want to record system sounds, I need to use the line-in...  (Nevermind the fact that that is STUPID.)  So I took the USB line-in box (A Behringer U-CONTROL, similar to the U-PHONO that someone linked to earlier, but for interfacing a PC with a mixing board) and I literally took a cable and plugged the box's line-out into the line-in.  Why is that even necessary? :</p><p>Anyway, I digress.  I guess what I'm trying to say is, necessary or not, going extinct or not, I think they're being undermined by various issues and sometimes external devices are your only option, as sad as that may be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microphone and line-in jacks are definitely under-appreciated these days .
Of course , less people need line-in jacks than used to , but microphone jacks are vital to online gaming .
All the same , they could make them more robust .
A couple years ago , I built two nearly-identical new computers , one for me , and one for my father.A couple months later , he wanted to hook up the microphone that came with the motherboard so he could use VOIP , I talked him through it , and it was n't working... Finally , I took the microphone and plugged it into my computer...suddenly my microphone jack did n't work anymore... I still do n't know what was wrong with the mic ( It was the same exact one I had already had plugged into my motherboard ) but it fried the mic ports on both motherboards .
I 've recently taken to using my studio mic and mixer setup through a USB audio device for playing Left4Dead2 online with friends.... The sad irony of using a multi-hundred dollar audio rig to communicate things like " SHIT , SHIT , SHIT !
KILL THIS FUCKING THING ! ! !
" is palpable.The other day , I took part in an online drawing seminar featuring Dave Gibbons... I wanted to record it ( Something I wish I had done with the last webinar I attended ) so I set up Camtasia Studio , only to find out that if I want to record system sounds , I need to use the line-in... ( Nevermind the fact that that is STUPID .
) So I took the USB line-in box ( A Behringer U-CONTROL , similar to the U-PHONO that someone linked to earlier , but for interfacing a PC with a mixing board ) and I literally took a cable and plugged the box 's line-out into the line-in .
Why is that even necessary ?
: Anyway , I digress .
I guess what I 'm trying to say is , necessary or not , going extinct or not , I think they 're being undermined by various issues and sometimes external devices are your only option , as sad as that may be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microphone and line-in jacks are definitely under-appreciated these days.
Of course, less people need line-in jacks than used to, but microphone jacks are vital to online gaming.
All the same, they could make them more robust.
A couple years ago, I built two nearly-identical new computers, one for me, and one for my father.A couple months later, he wanted to hook up the microphone that came with the motherboard so he could use VOIP, I talked him through it, and it wasn't working...  Finally, I took the microphone and plugged it into my computer...suddenly my microphone jack didn't work anymore...  I still don't know what was wrong with the mic (It was the same exact one I had already had plugged into my motherboard) but it fried the mic ports on both motherboards.
I've recently taken to using my studio mic and mixer setup through a USB audio device for playing Left4Dead2 online with friends.... The sad irony of using a multi-hundred dollar audio rig to communicate things like "SHIT, SHIT, SHIT!
KILL THIS FUCKING THING!!!
" is palpable.The other day, I took part in an online drawing seminar featuring Dave Gibbons... I wanted to record it (Something I wish I had done with the last webinar I attended) so I set up Camtasia Studio, only to find out that if I want to record system sounds, I need to use the line-in...  (Nevermind the fact that that is STUPID.
)  So I took the USB line-in box (A Behringer U-CONTROL, similar to the U-PHONO that someone linked to earlier, but for interfacing a PC with a mixing board) and I literally took a cable and plugged the box's line-out into the line-in.
Why is that even necessary?
:Anyway, I digress.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, necessary or not, going extinct or not, I think they're being undermined by various issues and sometimes external devices are your only option, as sad as that may be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578992</id>
	<title>*Please* let analogue content die once and for al!</title>
	<author>hackel</author>
	<datestamp>1269273660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad my laptop doesn't have a line-in, what a waste that would be!  It's a very *specialist* use-case that should not be installed standard.  Are there really that many old records that haven't been converted to digital yet?  Or is the problem just that certain people don't think they are entitled to download a digital version of something they already own without paying for it a second time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad my laptop does n't have a line-in , what a waste that would be !
It 's a very * specialist * use-case that should not be installed standard .
Are there really that many old records that have n't been converted to digital yet ?
Or is the problem just that certain people do n't think they are entitled to download a digital version of something they already own without paying for it a second time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad my laptop doesn't have a line-in, what a waste that would be!
It's a very *specialist* use-case that should not be installed standard.
Are there really that many old records that haven't been converted to digital yet?
Or is the problem just that certain people don't think they are entitled to download a digital version of something they already own without paying for it a second time?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578038</id>
	<title>oh my</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269265800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand why people will spend five grand on a laptop, get pissed about its lack of features but at home still have an 8 year old computer that they relay on for all of their real work and data backup. Get a $500 desktop, it will outclass your laptop easily if you build it yourself and skip the microsoft tax.  As far as speed and utility are concerned it'll blow any laptop away... then get a netbook for travel. If you're trying to rip 8tracks to MP3 while sitting in Starbucks, you're doing it wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why people will spend five grand on a laptop , get pissed about its lack of features but at home still have an 8 year old computer that they relay on for all of their real work and data backup .
Get a $ 500 desktop , it will outclass your laptop easily if you build it yourself and skip the microsoft tax .
As far as speed and utility are concerned it 'll blow any laptop away... then get a netbook for travel .
If you 're trying to rip 8tracks to MP3 while sitting in Starbucks , you 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why people will spend five grand on a laptop, get pissed about its lack of features but at home still have an 8 year old computer that they relay on for all of their real work and data backup.
Get a $500 desktop, it will outclass your laptop easily if you build it yourself and skip the microsoft tax.
As far as speed and utility are concerned it'll blow any laptop away... then get a netbook for travel.
If you're trying to rip 8tracks to MP3 while sitting in Starbucks, you're doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579090</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269274860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The easiest way to convert a mic level input to line level is to use a simple t-pad attenuator you can make yourself. R1 &amp; R3 = 600 ohms, R2 = 22 ohms. I use this myself with absolutely no loss of fidelity.<br>http://www.nu9n.com/tpad-calculator.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The easiest way to convert a mic level input to line level is to use a simple t-pad attenuator you can make yourself .
R1 &amp; R3 = 600 ohms , R2 = 22 ohms .
I use this myself with absolutely no loss of fidelity.http : //www.nu9n.com/tpad-calculator.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The easiest way to convert a mic level input to line level is to use a simple t-pad attenuator you can make yourself.
R1 &amp; R3 = 600 ohms, R2 = 22 ohms.
I use this myself with absolutely no loss of fidelity.http://www.nu9n.com/tpad-calculator.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583248</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>merreborn</author>
	<datestamp>1269357480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why don't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack? Even many of the aftermarket ones don't have them (on the front, at least). Such a cheap part, and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.</p></div></blockquote><p>My cheap-ass '06 Toyota Scion came with one, standard.  They also offered an iPod dock kit for a couple hundred bucks more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack ?
Even many of the aftermarket ones do n't have them ( on the front , at least ) .
Such a cheap part , and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.My cheap-ass '06 Toyota Scion came with one , standard .
They also offered an iPod dock kit for a couple hundred bucks more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack?
Even many of the aftermarket ones don't have them (on the front, at least).
Such a cheap part, and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.My cheap-ass '06 Toyota Scion came with one, standard.
They also offered an iPod dock kit for a couple hundred bucks more.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578056</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578866</id>
	<title>It's still there ... you just can't see it :)</title>
	<author>GNUALMAFUERTE</author>
	<datestamp>1269272580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most laptop's "mic in" port is actually stereo. The only issue is, a real line-in expects a Phantom, while the mic-in doesn't. You can do one of two things:</p><p>a) Buy a phantom remover, or make your own. They are very cheap, and you can even make one in 10 minutes with only basic soldering skills Google for it.<br>b) If it's something quick, and quality isn't a major issue, you can try setting the gain for that port really down and recording that way. It works fine most of the time.</p><p>Stop looking for USB devices with a line-in. I've already looked, there are none.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most laptop 's " mic in " port is actually stereo .
The only issue is , a real line-in expects a Phantom , while the mic-in does n't .
You can do one of two things : a ) Buy a phantom remover , or make your own .
They are very cheap , and you can even make one in 10 minutes with only basic soldering skills Google for it.b ) If it 's something quick , and quality is n't a major issue , you can try setting the gain for that port really down and recording that way .
It works fine most of the time.Stop looking for USB devices with a line-in .
I 've already looked , there are none .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most laptop's "mic in" port is actually stereo.
The only issue is, a real line-in expects a Phantom, while the mic-in doesn't.
You can do one of two things:a) Buy a phantom remover, or make your own.
They are very cheap, and you can even make one in 10 minutes with only basic soldering skills Google for it.b) If it's something quick, and quality isn't a major issue, you can try setting the gain for that port really down and recording that way.
It works fine most of the time.Stop looking for USB devices with a line-in.
I've already looked, there are none.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579334</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, it's dying</title>
	<author>ZorbaTHut</author>
	<datestamp>1269277560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it is cost, and it is complexity, and every port and part you can drop saves money. Or should we still have parallel ports and serial ports on our computers? How many IDE ports and floppy ports would you consider appropriate? Would you like two ISA slots, or is one enough?</p><p>At some point, you have to remove things that nobody uses. I'm going to wager that, effectively, nobody uses the line-in port - I have seven computers in my apartment and never once, in the last five years, have I used the line-in port.</p><p>I really don't think that $50 for an adapter that you will be able to use right up until USB is obsolete (which is a long, long ways off, if ever) is too high a cost compared to literally thousands of people getting another hunk of plastic and metal that they will never, ever touch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it is cost , and it is complexity , and every port and part you can drop saves money .
Or should we still have parallel ports and serial ports on our computers ?
How many IDE ports and floppy ports would you consider appropriate ?
Would you like two ISA slots , or is one enough ? At some point , you have to remove things that nobody uses .
I 'm going to wager that , effectively , nobody uses the line-in port - I have seven computers in my apartment and never once , in the last five years , have I used the line-in port.I really do n't think that $ 50 for an adapter that you will be able to use right up until USB is obsolete ( which is a long , long ways off , if ever ) is too high a cost compared to literally thousands of people getting another hunk of plastic and metal that they will never , ever touch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it is cost, and it is complexity, and every port and part you can drop saves money.
Or should we still have parallel ports and serial ports on our computers?
How many IDE ports and floppy ports would you consider appropriate?
Would you like two ISA slots, or is one enough?At some point, you have to remove things that nobody uses.
I'm going to wager that, effectively, nobody uses the line-in port - I have seven computers in my apartment and never once, in the last five years, have I used the line-in port.I really don't think that $50 for an adapter that you will be able to use right up until USB is obsolete (which is a long, long ways off, if ever) is too high a cost compared to literally thousands of people getting another hunk of plastic and metal that they will never, ever touch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580598</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>mkbosmans</author>
	<datestamp>1269337740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it (to power the microphone up)
Line In doesn't provide any power, it only analyses incoming signal from external source, and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.</p></div><p>Not sure why this was modded +5 informative; it's a load of hooey...</p></div><p>Not sure why this was modded +5 informative; it's a load of hooey...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Normal dynamic microphones are passive and do not require any external power to "power the microphone up". They generate a small current, usually from a coil moving inside a magnet. This is why you need a pre-amp of some kind to bring your mic-level signal up to a line-level signal that a regular amp can deal with. Your sound card has this built in.</p><p>If you have a condensor microphone, then it will need external power of some kind to function. This usually comes in the form of phantom power (+48V usually) over a balanced twisted pair microphone wire. I can promise you that your average soundcard (and pretty much anything with 1/8" jacks) does *not* supply phantom power. You need an external power supply of some kind to use a condensor mic with your soundcard.</p></div><p>So yeah, you accurately described how a professional setup works. It just doesn't apply to the situation we're talking about here.
</p><p>The mic input on a soundcard does have a voltage (usually +5V) applied to the ring of the input. The microphones typically used with a computer are neither of the condenser nor dynamic type, but are electret microphones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it ( to power the microphone up ) Line In does n't provide any power , it only analyses incoming signal from external source , and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.Not sure why this was modded + 5 informative ; it 's a load of hooey...Not sure why this was modded + 5 informative ; it 's a load of hooey...Normal dynamic microphones are passive and do not require any external power to " power the microphone up " .
They generate a small current , usually from a coil moving inside a magnet .
This is why you need a pre-amp of some kind to bring your mic-level signal up to a line-level signal that a regular amp can deal with .
Your sound card has this built in.If you have a condensor microphone , then it will need external power of some kind to function .
This usually comes in the form of phantom power ( + 48V usually ) over a balanced twisted pair microphone wire .
I can promise you that your average soundcard ( and pretty much anything with 1/8 " jacks ) does * not * supply phantom power .
You need an external power supply of some kind to use a condensor mic with your soundcard.So yeah , you accurately described how a professional setup works .
It just does n't apply to the situation we 're talking about here .
The mic input on a soundcard does have a voltage ( usually + 5V ) applied to the ring of the input .
The microphones typically used with a computer are neither of the condenser nor dynamic type , but are electret microphones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microphone port pumps some current into whatever is connected to it (to power the microphone up)
Line In doesn't provide any power, it only analyses incoming signal from external source, and will be often separated through transoptors or the like to protect the hardware from overcurrent from difference of potential between the devices.Not sure why this was modded +5 informative; it's a load of hooey...Not sure why this was modded +5 informative; it's a load of hooey...Normal dynamic microphones are passive and do not require any external power to "power the microphone up".
They generate a small current, usually from a coil moving inside a magnet.
This is why you need a pre-amp of some kind to bring your mic-level signal up to a line-level signal that a regular amp can deal with.
Your sound card has this built in.If you have a condensor microphone, then it will need external power of some kind to function.
This usually comes in the form of phantom power (+48V usually) over a balanced twisted pair microphone wire.
I can promise you that your average soundcard (and pretty much anything with 1/8" jacks) does *not* supply phantom power.
You need an external power supply of some kind to use a condensor mic with your soundcard.So yeah, you accurately described how a professional setup works.
It just doesn't apply to the situation we're talking about here.
The mic input on a soundcard does have a voltage (usually +5V) applied to the ring of the input.
The microphones typically used with a computer are neither of the condenser nor dynamic type, but are electret microphones.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31582398</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269354120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone uses an iphone as their mp3 player.  The line-in jack is universal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone uses an iphone as their mp3 player .
The line-in jack is universal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone uses an iphone as their mp3 player.
The line-in jack is universal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31581026</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580650</id>
	<title>Issues with line in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269338340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My mac mini has a line in instead a mic in, it works flawlessy for registration stuff, but i need to buy a usb active microphone to talk with my friend trough skype.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My mac mini has a line in instead a mic in , it works flawlessy for registration stuff , but i need to buy a usb active microphone to talk with my friend trough skype .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mac mini has a line in instead a mic in, it works flawlessy for registration stuff, but i need to buy a usb active microphone to talk with my friend trough skype.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579406</id>
	<title>DONT. WANT. TO. KNOW!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269278280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh great. More outboard gear to update, effit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh great .
More outboard gear to update , effit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh great.
More outboard gear to update, effit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31583154</id>
	<title>I hope not</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1269357060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How else am I going to bug my bosses office?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How else am I going to bug my bosses office ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How else am I going to bug my bosses office?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578056</id>
	<title>My question is</title>
	<author>proxima</author>
	<datestamp>1269265980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack?  Even many of the aftermarket ones don't have them (on the front, at least).  Such a cheap part, and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack ?
Even many of the aftermarket ones do n't have them ( on the front , at least ) .
Such a cheap part , and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't all car radio setups come with a line-in jack?
Even many of the aftermarket ones don't have them (on the front, at least).
Such a cheap part, and yet so many people use their ipods via FM tuner or tape adapter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31586570</id>
	<title>There are many many many options</title>
	<author>TransientAlias</author>
	<datestamp>1269370260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>try zzounds.com or guitar center for usb or firewire connected audio i/o devices... look in the category "computer recording"</htmltext>
<tokenext>try zzounds.com or guitar center for usb or firewire connected audio i/o devices... look in the category " computer recording "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>try zzounds.com or guitar center for usb or firewire connected audio i/o devices... look in the category "computer recording"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579114</id>
	<title>just type in some relevant words and press enter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269275100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is news for nerds, stuff that matters?

"newsflash! asshole can't figure out how to google something, details at 11!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is news for nerds , stuff that matters ?
" newsflash ! asshole ca n't figure out how to google something , details at 11 !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is news for nerds, stuff that matters?
"newsflash! asshole can't figure out how to google something, details at 11!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578234</id>
	<title>Use Mic jack</title>
	<author>BobPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1269267240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've yet to buy a computer with fewer than 3 jacks (out, line in, mic in generally alternatively selectable as out1, out2, out3 for surround). But if you really don't have a line in, use the Mic jack and uncheck the "Microphone Boost" option. The +20dB boost is the difference between mic level and line level.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've yet to buy a computer with fewer than 3 jacks ( out , line in , mic in generally alternatively selectable as out1 , out2 , out3 for surround ) .
But if you really do n't have a line in , use the Mic jack and uncheck the " Microphone Boost " option .
The + 20dB boost is the difference between mic level and line level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've yet to buy a computer with fewer than 3 jacks (out, line in, mic in generally alternatively selectable as out1, out2, out3 for surround).
But if you really don't have a line in, use the Mic jack and uncheck the "Microphone Boost" option.
The +20dB boost is the difference between mic level and line level.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580812</id>
	<title>What's wrong with USB sound cards?</title>
	<author>AC-x</author>
	<datestamp>1269340380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you mean you're not impressed by the selection of USB sound cards? You've got everything from basic &pound;15 5.1 with mic and line in which are on par with motherboard's onboard sound (I use one on my laptop) to 10 input 24-bit 96kHz professional audio interfaces like the Edirol UA-101.</p><p>Also, do the laptops not have a mic socket? you can usually turn mic gain on and off in the sound control panel which essentially turns it into a line-in socket anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean you 're not impressed by the selection of USB sound cards ?
You 've got everything from basic   15 5.1 with mic and line in which are on par with motherboard 's onboard sound ( I use one on my laptop ) to 10 input 24-bit 96kHz professional audio interfaces like the Edirol UA-101.Also , do the laptops not have a mic socket ?
you can usually turn mic gain on and off in the sound control panel which essentially turns it into a line-in socket anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean you're not impressed by the selection of USB sound cards?
You've got everything from basic £15 5.1 with mic and line in which are on par with motherboard's onboard sound (I use one on my laptop) to 10 input 24-bit 96kHz professional audio interfaces like the Edirol UA-101.Also, do the laptops not have a mic socket?
you can usually turn mic gain on and off in the sound control panel which essentially turns it into a line-in socket anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31600008</id>
	<title>It's About \_All\_ Jacks</title>
	<author>Mr. No Skills</author>
	<datestamp>1269454380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has nothing to do with the line in jack.  It has to do with the desire to eliminate all jacks except USB/FireWire.  Simplifies manufacturing and design costs, maybe?  But, lots have disappeared; parallel, serial, keyboard, etc.  All replaced with one do-everything digital jack.  As others have pointed out, an audio/USB is a $10 purchase and up, depending on your needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has nothing to do with the line in jack .
It has to do with the desire to eliminate all jacks except USB/FireWire .
Simplifies manufacturing and design costs , maybe ?
But , lots have disappeared ; parallel , serial , keyboard , etc .
All replaced with one do-everything digital jack .
As others have pointed out , an audio/USB is a $ 10 purchase and up , depending on your needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has nothing to do with the line in jack.
It has to do with the desire to eliminate all jacks except USB/FireWire.
Simplifies manufacturing and design costs, maybe?
But, lots have disappeared; parallel, serial, keyboard, etc.
All replaced with one do-everything digital jack.
As others have pointed out, an audio/USB is a $10 purchase and up, depending on your needs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579540</id>
	<title>Yes</title>
	<author>PulkitGoel</author>
	<datestamp>1269279600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I Think Yes, USB OTG Will Replace Completely...:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I Think Yes , USB OTG Will Replace Completely... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I Think Yes, USB OTG Will Replace Completely...:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580162</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269287820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Erm... wrong answer... Most computer MIC inputs are delivering a few Volts for powering a condensor microphone (the most common type used in headsets and desk microphones because they are small, cheap and sensitive) Most MIC inputs are therefore MONO even though the jack looks like a stereo line-input, the third connection is the power supply. The voltage and current needed for a condensor microphone is very low: between 1 and 5 Volt at a few milliamps)</p><p>By the way, my trusty ol' Fujitsu Siemens B Series Lifebook has only microphone and headphone connections so it is not a thing of the modern age.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Erm... wrong answer... Most computer MIC inputs are delivering a few Volts for powering a condensor microphone ( the most common type used in headsets and desk microphones because they are small , cheap and sensitive ) Most MIC inputs are therefore MONO even though the jack looks like a stereo line-input , the third connection is the power supply .
The voltage and current needed for a condensor microphone is very low : between 1 and 5 Volt at a few milliamps ) By the way , my trusty ol ' Fujitsu Siemens B Series Lifebook has only microphone and headphone connections so it is not a thing of the modern age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Erm... wrong answer... Most computer MIC inputs are delivering a few Volts for powering a condensor microphone (the most common type used in headsets and desk microphones because they are small, cheap and sensitive) Most MIC inputs are therefore MONO even though the jack looks like a stereo line-input, the third connection is the power supply.
The voltage and current needed for a condensor microphone is very low: between 1 and 5 Volt at a few milliamps)By the way, my trusty ol' Fujitsu Siemens B Series Lifebook has only microphone and headphone connections so it is not a thing of the modern age.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578322</id>
	<title>Re:Not sure what you're looking at...</title>
	<author>BumpyCarrot</author>
	<datestamp>1269267840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To second this, I can't recommend the iMic enough. It's fairly cheap, tiny, and just beautiful in aesthetics *and* function.  I use mine to "USB enable" Protracker on my Amiga.  I can't see how any USB offerings would be worse compared to whatever gets built into the majority of laptops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To second this , I ca n't recommend the iMic enough .
It 's fairly cheap , tiny , and just beautiful in aesthetics * and * function .
I use mine to " USB enable " Protracker on my Amiga .
I ca n't see how any USB offerings would be worse compared to whatever gets built into the majority of laptops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To second this, I can't recommend the iMic enough.
It's fairly cheap, tiny, and just beautiful in aesthetics *and* function.
I use mine to "USB enable" Protracker on my Amiga.
I can't see how any USB offerings would be worse compared to whatever gets built into the majority of laptops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579988</id>
	<title>Most audio ports in computers are configurable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269285360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to work in the codec and sound card business for the PC market. Most modern computer will have auto-configurable ports for line out, MIC-in, and line out/headphone out. The codec will auto detect when an audio jack is plugged into the system and may show a pop-up dialog box asking the user what kind of jack it is. If there is no pop-up dialog box, then there should be some system control applet to select the LINE IN or MIC IN.</p><p>The line IN and MIC IN needs different handling. The MIC IN has a bias voltage while the LINE IN does not need this bias voltage. When the software is configured properly, this bias voltage is disabled when the user selects the Line IN. I do not foresee the Line IN going away anytime soon since the users will still want to input from their iPod, TV tuners, radio, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work in the codec and sound card business for the PC market .
Most modern computer will have auto-configurable ports for line out , MIC-in , and line out/headphone out .
The codec will auto detect when an audio jack is plugged into the system and may show a pop-up dialog box asking the user what kind of jack it is .
If there is no pop-up dialog box , then there should be some system control applet to select the LINE IN or MIC IN.The line IN and MIC IN needs different handling .
The MIC IN has a bias voltage while the LINE IN does not need this bias voltage .
When the software is configured properly , this bias voltage is disabled when the user selects the Line IN .
I do not foresee the Line IN going away anytime soon since the users will still want to input from their iPod , TV tuners , radio , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work in the codec and sound card business for the PC market.
Most modern computer will have auto-configurable ports for line out, MIC-in, and line out/headphone out.
The codec will auto detect when an audio jack is plugged into the system and may show a pop-up dialog box asking the user what kind of jack it is.
If there is no pop-up dialog box, then there should be some system control applet to select the LINE IN or MIC IN.The line IN and MIC IN needs different handling.
The MIC IN has a bias voltage while the LINE IN does not need this bias voltage.
When the software is configured properly, this bias voltage is disabled when the user selects the Line IN.
I do not foresee the Line IN going away anytime soon since the users will still want to input from their iPod, TV tuners, radio, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577778</id>
	<title>Just bought a brand spanking new Dell Studio 15</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269264000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it came with a separate line-in jack along with mic and headphone out, and thats with the standard audio option</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it came with a separate line-in jack along with mic and headphone out , and thats with the standard audio option</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it came with a separate line-in jack along with mic and headphone out, and thats with the standard audio option</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578710</id>
	<title>Re:There Is Hope!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269271140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yup because its always better to solve the problem of pesky strong signals by weakening them and then amplifying the weakened signal.</p><p>The GP's solution of leaving the stronger signal in place and turning off amplification is a terrible idea!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yup because its always better to solve the problem of pesky strong signals by weakening them and then amplifying the weakened signal.The GP 's solution of leaving the stronger signal in place and turning off amplification is a terrible idea !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yup because its always better to solve the problem of pesky strong signals by weakening them and then amplifying the weakened signal.The GP's solution of leaving the stronger signal in place and turning off amplification is a terrible idea!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31587180</id>
	<title>M-Audio Fast Track</title>
	<author>ebunga</author>
	<datestamp>1269372240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Over the past ten years the price of a decent machine went from a few thousand dollars to a few hundred dollars. Those line-in jacks aren't cheap, so when looking for an easy way to cut costs they're going to drop the stuff 99.9\% of the population doesn't need.</p><p>I found a need for a line-in and went searching. Came across the m-audio fast track. It costs $99 and comes with the stripped down pro-tools m-powered essentials, which is good enough unless you're doing something that needs more than like 16 tracks. The hardware is required for pro-tools to run, but the hardware will work with any other audio software that doesn't tie the software to the hardware, i.e. every other DAW software on the market. The nice thing is that they have it at Best Buy, so you can even get it locally for the immediate impulse buy. There are other options in the avid family, such as the digidesign mbox2 devices that are a little more expensive, but come with pro-tools le, which is a step up from m-powered. For about $2000 to $2500 you can get one of the 003 devices. Then there's the entire universe of non-pro-tools-oriented stuff which costs less and probably has better audio quality but isn't nearly as fun or well integrated.</p><p><a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/" title="sweetwater.com">Sweetwater</a> [sweetwater.com], <a href="http://www.guitarcenter.com/" title="guitarcenter.com">Guitar Center</a> [guitarcenter.com] and your local musical instrument and pro-audio store are your best friends. Go there and talk to someone. I had a problem where I was sure a magical $499.95 box was the right move. The sound guy at the local Guitar Center set me straight with the $8 solution. Really, go talk to an audio geek. They can teach you more in a minute hands-on than Ask Slashdot ever could, even if it were loaded with real audio geeks.</p><p>note the difference: Audio geeks know what they're talking about because they deal with professional audio equipment and would rather be called engineers or salesmen or something. Audiophiles masturbate to $800 electron-spin directionally optimized bullshit cables. Do not confuse the two. The pro will tell you your $5000 idea is dumb and all you really need is a $12 device and won't let you buy the $5000 device, even though they're the salesguy and make a commission. An audiophile doesn't do audio for a living, has too much money on their hands, and is now masturbating to the newly announced $3100 replacement for their $800 electron-spin directionally optimized bullshit cables.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over the past ten years the price of a decent machine went from a few thousand dollars to a few hundred dollars .
Those line-in jacks are n't cheap , so when looking for an easy way to cut costs they 're going to drop the stuff 99.9 \ % of the population does n't need.I found a need for a line-in and went searching .
Came across the m-audio fast track .
It costs $ 99 and comes with the stripped down pro-tools m-powered essentials , which is good enough unless you 're doing something that needs more than like 16 tracks .
The hardware is required for pro-tools to run , but the hardware will work with any other audio software that does n't tie the software to the hardware , i.e .
every other DAW software on the market .
The nice thing is that they have it at Best Buy , so you can even get it locally for the immediate impulse buy .
There are other options in the avid family , such as the digidesign mbox2 devices that are a little more expensive , but come with pro-tools le , which is a step up from m-powered .
For about $ 2000 to $ 2500 you can get one of the 003 devices .
Then there 's the entire universe of non-pro-tools-oriented stuff which costs less and probably has better audio quality but is n't nearly as fun or well integrated.Sweetwater [ sweetwater.com ] , Guitar Center [ guitarcenter.com ] and your local musical instrument and pro-audio store are your best friends .
Go there and talk to someone .
I had a problem where I was sure a magical $ 499.95 box was the right move .
The sound guy at the local Guitar Center set me straight with the $ 8 solution .
Really , go talk to an audio geek .
They can teach you more in a minute hands-on than Ask Slashdot ever could , even if it were loaded with real audio geeks.note the difference : Audio geeks know what they 're talking about because they deal with professional audio equipment and would rather be called engineers or salesmen or something .
Audiophiles masturbate to $ 800 electron-spin directionally optimized bullshit cables .
Do not confuse the two .
The pro will tell you your $ 5000 idea is dumb and all you really need is a $ 12 device and wo n't let you buy the $ 5000 device , even though they 're the salesguy and make a commission .
An audiophile does n't do audio for a living , has too much money on their hands , and is now masturbating to the newly announced $ 3100 replacement for their $ 800 electron-spin directionally optimized bullshit cables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over the past ten years the price of a decent machine went from a few thousand dollars to a few hundred dollars.
Those line-in jacks aren't cheap, so when looking for an easy way to cut costs they're going to drop the stuff 99.9\% of the population doesn't need.I found a need for a line-in and went searching.
Came across the m-audio fast track.
It costs $99 and comes with the stripped down pro-tools m-powered essentials, which is good enough unless you're doing something that needs more than like 16 tracks.
The hardware is required for pro-tools to run, but the hardware will work with any other audio software that doesn't tie the software to the hardware, i.e.
every other DAW software on the market.
The nice thing is that they have it at Best Buy, so you can even get it locally for the immediate impulse buy.
There are other options in the avid family, such as the digidesign mbox2 devices that are a little more expensive, but come with pro-tools le, which is a step up from m-powered.
For about $2000 to $2500 you can get one of the 003 devices.
Then there's the entire universe of non-pro-tools-oriented stuff which costs less and probably has better audio quality but isn't nearly as fun or well integrated.Sweetwater [sweetwater.com], Guitar Center [guitarcenter.com] and your local musical instrument and pro-audio store are your best friends.
Go there and talk to someone.
I had a problem where I was sure a magical $499.95 box was the right move.
The sound guy at the local Guitar Center set me straight with the $8 solution.
Really, go talk to an audio geek.
They can teach you more in a minute hands-on than Ask Slashdot ever could, even if it were loaded with real audio geeks.note the difference: Audio geeks know what they're talking about because they deal with professional audio equipment and would rather be called engineers or salesmen or something.
Audiophiles masturbate to $800 electron-spin directionally optimized bullshit cables.
Do not confuse the two.
The pro will tell you your $5000 idea is dumb and all you really need is a $12 device and won't let you buy the $5000 device, even though they're the salesguy and make a commission.
An audiophile doesn't do audio for a living, has too much money on their hands, and is now masturbating to the newly announced $3100 replacement for their $800 electron-spin directionally optimized bullshit cables.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579310</id>
	<title>Looking in the wrong place?</title>
	<author>StormWolf</author>
	<datestamp>1269277320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are a ton of USB, Firewire and PCI audio interfaces on the market that do what you ask.  You just have to move <a href="http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/audio-interfaces-computers-pro-audio?N=100001+344253&amp;Ns=P\_Price\%7C0&amp;rpp=20" title="musiciansfriend.com" rel="nofollow">a little bit beyond consumer electronics stores</a> [musiciansfriend.com] such as BestBuy:</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a ton of USB , Firewire and PCI audio interfaces on the market that do what you ask .
You just have to move a little bit beyond consumer electronics stores [ musiciansfriend.com ] such as BestBuy :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a ton of USB, Firewire and PCI audio interfaces on the market that do what you ask.
You just have to move a little bit beyond consumer electronics stores [musiciansfriend.com] such as BestBuy:</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578828</id>
	<title>try google!</title>
	<author>oldbenway</author>
	<datestamp>1269272160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Starting to think the OP didn't use google (or set foot in a Microcenter/Fry's/BestBuy in the last 5 years). There's a million sub-$100 USB line-level devices out there that will do the trick nicely. And now that I am done being a jerk, I'll say I am a fan of m-audio stuff for casual recording, but any of those sub-$100 doodads should be about the same level of quality, and if you're careful and read the packaging, you'll get something that can handle a line level input without distorting. A heck of a lot easier than keeping a lame old PC just b/c it has an input jack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Starting to think the OP did n't use google ( or set foot in a Microcenter/Fry 's/BestBuy in the last 5 years ) .
There 's a million sub- $ 100 USB line-level devices out there that will do the trick nicely .
And now that I am done being a jerk , I 'll say I am a fan of m-audio stuff for casual recording , but any of those sub- $ 100 doodads should be about the same level of quality , and if you 're careful and read the packaging , you 'll get something that can handle a line level input without distorting .
A heck of a lot easier than keeping a lame old PC just b/c it has an input jack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Starting to think the OP didn't use google (or set foot in a Microcenter/Fry's/BestBuy in the last 5 years).
There's a million sub-$100 USB line-level devices out there that will do the trick nicely.
And now that I am done being a jerk, I'll say I am a fan of m-audio stuff for casual recording, but any of those sub-$100 doodads should be about the same level of quality, and if you're careful and read the packaging, you'll get something that can handle a line level input without distorting.
A heck of a lot easier than keeping a lame old PC just b/c it has an input jack.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580050</id>
	<title>M-Audio or Behringer</title>
	<author>vmartell</author>
	<datestamp>1269286320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

After +200 replies, my post will probably be redundant, I will add my vote to the probably many coming for getting a budget pro-audio card. M-Audio, from the Audiophile to some other Firewire/USB products they have should do... if you are really on a budget, try  Behringer... word to the wise, ***performance*** wise, they cannot be beat for the price; however, they are ***built*** kind of cheaply...</htmltext>
<tokenext>After + 200 replies , my post will probably be redundant , I will add my vote to the probably many coming for getting a budget pro-audio card .
M-Audio , from the Audiophile to some other Firewire/USB products they have should do... if you are really on a budget , try Behringer... word to the wise , * * * performance * * * wise , they can not be beat for the price ; however , they are * * * built * * * kind of cheaply.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

After +200 replies, my post will probably be redundant, I will add my vote to the probably many coming for getting a budget pro-audio card.
M-Audio, from the Audiophile to some other Firewire/USB products they have should do... if you are really on a budget, try  Behringer... word to the wise, ***performance*** wise, they cannot be beat for the price; however, they are ***built*** kind of cheaply...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31582110</id>
	<title>iPod, iPhone, MacBook Pro, iMac, E-Mu, Tascam</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1269352560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An E-Mu or Tascam USB interface is about $150 and is 24-bit and works with Mac or PC. A MacBook Pro or iMac not only has a line-in, it's 24-bit and is both analog and digital optical. iPods and iPhones have line-ins on the dock connector, you just need the right cable. Probably iPad is the same.</p><p>Generally speaking, pro audio is FireWire-based.</p><p>If recording LP, make sure you have the right preamplifier. LP doesn't give out a line level signal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An E-Mu or Tascam USB interface is about $ 150 and is 24-bit and works with Mac or PC .
A MacBook Pro or iMac not only has a line-in , it 's 24-bit and is both analog and digital optical .
iPods and iPhones have line-ins on the dock connector , you just need the right cable .
Probably iPad is the same.Generally speaking , pro audio is FireWire-based.If recording LP , make sure you have the right preamplifier .
LP does n't give out a line level signal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An E-Mu or Tascam USB interface is about $150 and is 24-bit and works with Mac or PC.
A MacBook Pro or iMac not only has a line-in, it's 24-bit and is both analog and digital optical.
iPods and iPhones have line-ins on the dock connector, you just need the right cable.
Probably iPad is the same.Generally speaking, pro audio is FireWire-based.If recording LP, make sure you have the right preamplifier.
LP doesn't give out a line level signal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577958</id>
	<title>It's not a conspiracy</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1269265260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A line-input jack takes up one of the most valuable resources on a laptop - space. Laptops are also electrically noisy because they are designed to be small and energy efficient, not electrically quiet. A laptop is not meant to be a good recording device.</p><p>Almost every PC sold has at least one Line-input jack. My PC has a line input jack and a coaxial digital S/PDIF input on the motherboard. You can buy USB devices all day long that have up to 24 input channels. I have a pair of 10-channel boards, each having 8 unbalanced analog, 2 XLR, and 1 more coaxial S/PDIF port.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A line-input jack takes up one of the most valuable resources on a laptop - space .
Laptops are also electrically noisy because they are designed to be small and energy efficient , not electrically quiet .
A laptop is not meant to be a good recording device.Almost every PC sold has at least one Line-input jack .
My PC has a line input jack and a coaxial digital S/PDIF input on the motherboard .
You can buy USB devices all day long that have up to 24 input channels .
I have a pair of 10-channel boards , each having 8 unbalanced analog , 2 XLR , and 1 more coaxial S/PDIF port .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A line-input jack takes up one of the most valuable resources on a laptop - space.
Laptops are also electrically noisy because they are designed to be small and energy efficient, not electrically quiet.
A laptop is not meant to be a good recording device.Almost every PC sold has at least one Line-input jack.
My PC has a line input jack and a coaxial digital S/PDIF input on the motherboard.
You can buy USB devices all day long that have up to 24 input channels.
I have a pair of 10-channel boards, each having 8 unbalanced analog, 2 XLR, and 1 more coaxial S/PDIF port.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578124</id>
	<title>It seems to be replaced by a digital audio jack</title>
	<author>gman003</author>
	<datestamp>1269266520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least on my laptop. It has the normal three jacks, but I only just now saw that one was not the "line in", but an "SPDIF Out". Doesn't affect me either way, since I don't use either, but that may be behind some of the displacement. My drivers could probably change it around, though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least on my laptop .
It has the normal three jacks , but I only just now saw that one was not the " line in " , but an " SPDIF Out " .
Does n't affect me either way , since I do n't use either , but that may be behind some of the displacement .
My drivers could probably change it around , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least on my laptop.
It has the normal three jacks, but I only just now saw that one was not the "line in", but an "SPDIF Out".
Doesn't affect me either way, since I don't use either, but that may be behind some of the displacement.
My drivers could probably change it around, though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577556</id>
	<title>I Don't Know What You're Talking About</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1269262800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>
My netbook (months old) has a line in jack.  My motherboard (1 year old) has a line in jack.  In fact, the software drivers for my motherboard allow me to decide what I plug into each of the three jacks even though it's Realtek crap software.  Hell, I think I could have three line-in 1/8" jacks if I wanted to.  From what I can tell, the most popular Dell desktop is the <a href="http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/ltd/en/us/dhs/inspiron\_560\_dddoaa2?c=us&amp;cs=19&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs" title="dell.com">Inspiron 560</a> [dell.com].  I hate to sound like a salesman but not only do you get 7.1 surround sound at $350 but you also get <a href="http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/xlob/dtg/en/ports\_co.htm#wp1220210" title="dell.com">a line in jack</a> [dell.com].  They even suggest you "Use the (blue) line-in connector to attach a record/playback device such as a cassette player, CD player, or VCR.  On computers with a sound card, use the connector on the card." <br> <br>

So that leaves us with some interesting cases: <ol> <li>Something is very rotten in the state of Australia and their recent Think of the Children campaign has gone to new lengths to prevent people from transmitting sexy audio.</li><li>You are very adept at selecting some models of computers that have no line-in jacks from a sea of computers with line-in jacks.</li><li>You actually have a line-in jack, you just are confused with the colors (please don't take this as an insult, I've helped family members through this before).  You also might have better drivers allowing you to make one of the jacks a line-in jack but you don't realize it.  </li><li>Look closer at your sound card.  Does it say "Sorny" or "Panaphonics" on it?  Buying computers from a kangaroo in an alleyway will get you what you pay for.</li><li>Your tinfoil hat is on so tight you can't see the back ports on your computer.</li></ol><p>

Look, if you could give us more information like what operating system you use and what motherboards you're using, I'd be willing to track down the manuals on them and verify there's no line-in jack and take a boomerang to the head if I'm mistaken.  But couldn't this problem have been solved <a href="http://www.arc.com.au/pub.php?gid=23374&amp;pid=38696&amp;p=product" title="arc.com.au">with a couple bucks</a> [arc.com.au]?  My eeePC netbook has a line-in.  I really don't see them disappearing at all.  <br> <br>

P.S.  If you're looking for something a little more professional, external Audigys and M-Audio Pre USBs are useful for what you're doing though they are pricey ($200 USD).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My netbook ( months old ) has a line in jack .
My motherboard ( 1 year old ) has a line in jack .
In fact , the software drivers for my motherboard allow me to decide what I plug into each of the three jacks even though it 's Realtek crap software .
Hell , I think I could have three line-in 1/8 " jacks if I wanted to .
From what I can tell , the most popular Dell desktop is the Inspiron 560 [ dell.com ] .
I hate to sound like a salesman but not only do you get 7.1 surround sound at $ 350 but you also get a line in jack [ dell.com ] .
They even suggest you " Use the ( blue ) line-in connector to attach a record/playback device such as a cassette player , CD player , or VCR .
On computers with a sound card , use the connector on the card .
" So that leaves us with some interesting cases : Something is very rotten in the state of Australia and their recent Think of the Children campaign has gone to new lengths to prevent people from transmitting sexy audio.You are very adept at selecting some models of computers that have no line-in jacks from a sea of computers with line-in jacks.You actually have a line-in jack , you just are confused with the colors ( please do n't take this as an insult , I 've helped family members through this before ) .
You also might have better drivers allowing you to make one of the jacks a line-in jack but you do n't realize it .
Look closer at your sound card .
Does it say " Sorny " or " Panaphonics " on it ?
Buying computers from a kangaroo in an alleyway will get you what you pay for.Your tinfoil hat is on so tight you ca n't see the back ports on your computer .
Look , if you could give us more information like what operating system you use and what motherboards you 're using , I 'd be willing to track down the manuals on them and verify there 's no line-in jack and take a boomerang to the head if I 'm mistaken .
But could n't this problem have been solved with a couple bucks [ arc.com.au ] ?
My eeePC netbook has a line-in .
I really do n't see them disappearing at all .
P.S. If you 're looking for something a little more professional , external Audigys and M-Audio Pre USBs are useful for what you 're doing though they are pricey ( $ 200 USD ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
My netbook (months old) has a line in jack.
My motherboard (1 year old) has a line in jack.
In fact, the software drivers for my motherboard allow me to decide what I plug into each of the three jacks even though it's Realtek crap software.
Hell, I think I could have three line-in 1/8" jacks if I wanted to.
From what I can tell, the most popular Dell desktop is the Inspiron 560 [dell.com].
I hate to sound like a salesman but not only do you get 7.1 surround sound at $350 but you also get a line in jack [dell.com].
They even suggest you "Use the (blue) line-in connector to attach a record/playback device such as a cassette player, CD player, or VCR.
On computers with a sound card, use the connector on the card.
"  

So that leaves us with some interesting cases:  Something is very rotten in the state of Australia and their recent Think of the Children campaign has gone to new lengths to prevent people from transmitting sexy audio.You are very adept at selecting some models of computers that have no line-in jacks from a sea of computers with line-in jacks.You actually have a line-in jack, you just are confused with the colors (please don't take this as an insult, I've helped family members through this before).
You also might have better drivers allowing you to make one of the jacks a line-in jack but you don't realize it.
Look closer at your sound card.
Does it say "Sorny" or "Panaphonics" on it?
Buying computers from a kangaroo in an alleyway will get you what you pay for.Your tinfoil hat is on so tight you can't see the back ports on your computer.
Look, if you could give us more information like what operating system you use and what motherboards you're using, I'd be willing to track down the manuals on them and verify there's no line-in jack and take a boomerang to the head if I'm mistaken.
But couldn't this problem have been solved with a couple bucks [arc.com.au]?
My eeePC netbook has a line-in.
I really don't see them disappearing at all.
P.S.  If you're looking for something a little more professional, external Audigys and M-Audio Pre USBs are useful for what you're doing though they are pricey ($200 USD).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577614</id>
	<title>There are other solutions</title>
	<author>larwe</author>
	<datestamp>1269263160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about a USB recording device? They [potentially] have less noise, and they're pluggable anywhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about a USB recording device ?
They [ potentially ] have less noise , and they 're pluggable anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about a USB recording device?
They [potentially] have less noise, and they're pluggable anywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577628</id>
	<title>Where's the transparency?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obama lied, America died.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obama lied , America died .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obama lied, America died.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578058</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1269265980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like comparing a dude's asshole to a girl's asshole.  look the same, feel the same, smell the same, work the same.  But if you start sucking on the dude's asshole, you're a faggot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like comparing a dude 's asshole to a girl 's asshole .
look the same , feel the same , smell the same , work the same .
But if you start sucking on the dude 's asshole , you 're a faggot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like comparing a dude's asshole to a girl's asshole.
look the same, feel the same, smell the same, work the same.
But if you start sucking on the dude's asshole, you're a faggot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577882</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580302</id>
	<title>Re:Quick question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269376140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still wrong, see sibling posts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still wrong , see sibling posts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still wrong, see sibling posts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579224</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577840</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, it's dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269264420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio. Honestly, unless you're a DJ, it's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that doesn't  exist as something digital (MP3, AAC, WAV, etc.)</i></p><p>Why drop it? Its not as if it is any major cost to the machine these days. I don't use my line-in that often but it is certainly useful and it would be a pain to have to go an get a USB adapter for something so basic.</p><p>I suspect that the models that don't have them are low end computers where the manufacture tries to cut costs in the most extreme ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio .
Honestly , unless you 're a DJ , it 's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that does n't exist as something digital ( MP3 , AAC , WAV , etc .
) Why drop it ?
Its not as if it is any major cost to the machine these days .
I do n't use my line-in that often but it is certainly useful and it would be a pain to have to go an get a USB adapter for something so basic.I suspect that the models that do n't have them are low end computers where the manufacture tries to cut costs in the most extreme ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio.
Honestly, unless you're a DJ, it's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that doesn't  exist as something digital (MP3, AAC, WAV, etc.
)Why drop it?
Its not as if it is any major cost to the machine these days.
I don't use my line-in that often but it is certainly useful and it would be a pain to have to go an get a USB adapter for something so basic.I suspect that the models that don't have them are low end computers where the manufacture tries to cut costs in the most extreme ways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577588</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31580138</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, it's dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269287580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio. Honestly, unless you're a DJ, it's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that doesn't  exist as something digital (MP3, AAC, WAV, etc.)</i> </p><p>Why drop it? Its not as if it is any major cost to the machine these days. I don't use my line-in that often but it is certainly useful and it would be a pain to have to go an get a USB adapter for something so basic.</p><p>I suspect that the models that don't have them are low end computers where the manufacture tries to cut costs in the most extreme ways.</p></div><p>Because it costs money for the socket, and to pay someone to wire the socket to the board. Means one less hole in the case, too. It may well persist in desktop machines, where its cost is truly negligible, because it's part of the back-panel of sockets, but on a laptop the cost of providing is more significant, so we'll probably see it vanish. I won't miss it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio .
Honestly , unless you 're a DJ , it 's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that does n't exist as something digital ( MP3 , AAC , WAV , etc .
) Why drop it ?
Its not as if it is any major cost to the machine these days .
I do n't use my line-in that often but it is certainly useful and it would be a pain to have to go an get a USB adapter for something so basic.I suspect that the models that do n't have them are low end computers where the manufacture tries to cut costs in the most extreme ways.Because it costs money for the socket , and to pay someone to wire the socket to the board .
Means one less hole in the case , too .
It may well persist in desktop machines , where its cost is truly negligible , because it 's part of the back-panel of sockets , but on a laptop the cost of providing is more significant , so we 'll probably see it vanish .
I wo n't miss it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio.
Honestly, unless you're a DJ, it's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that doesn't  exist as something digital (MP3, AAC, WAV, etc.
) Why drop it?
Its not as if it is any major cost to the machine these days.
I don't use my line-in that often but it is certainly useful and it would be a pain to have to go an get a USB adapter for something so basic.I suspect that the models that don't have them are low end computers where the manufacture tries to cut costs in the most extreme ways.Because it costs money for the socket, and to pay someone to wire the socket to the board.
Means one less hole in the case, too.
It may well persist in desktop machines, where its cost is truly negligible, because it's part of the back-panel of sockets, but on a laptop the cost of providing is more significant, so we'll probably see it vanish.
I won't miss it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31586564</id>
	<title>Re:My question is</title>
	<author>socrplayr813</author>
	<datestamp>1269370200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this probably isn't terribly helpful, but my Mazda has a standard line-in jack that I plug my mp3 player into.  It's newer (2009), but I believe most or all Mazda3s from this generation have them (going back to 2004?) and I'm quite confident that the more expensive cars in their lineup have it too.  Just saying... there are cars out there that don't force you into that $50+ add-on or iPod-only crap.  Granted, I can't control what plays using the steering wheel controls, but it does the job just fine</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this probably is n't terribly helpful , but my Mazda has a standard line-in jack that I plug my mp3 player into .
It 's newer ( 2009 ) , but I believe most or all Mazda3s from this generation have them ( going back to 2004 ?
) and I 'm quite confident that the more expensive cars in their lineup have it too .
Just saying... there are cars out there that do n't force you into that $ 50 + add-on or iPod-only crap .
Granted , I ca n't control what plays using the steering wheel controls , but it does the job just fine</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this probably isn't terribly helpful, but my Mazda has a standard line-in jack that I plug my mp3 player into.
It's newer (2009), but I believe most or all Mazda3s from this generation have them (going back to 2004?
) and I'm quite confident that the more expensive cars in their lineup have it too.
Just saying... there are cars out there that don't force you into that $50+ add-on or iPod-only crap.
Granted, I can't control what plays using the steering wheel controls, but it does the job just fine</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578056</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578438</id>
	<title>If it's vinyl you have...</title>
	<author>actionbastard</author>
	<datestamp>1269268920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then you need a USB turntable:<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.usbturntables.net/" title="usbturntables.net">http://www.usbturntables.net/</a> [usbturntables.net] <br> <br>
Many decent ones available in the $100 US - $200 US range.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you need a USB turntable : http : //www.usbturntables.net/ [ usbturntables.net ] Many decent ones available in the $ 100 US - $ 200 US range .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you need a USB turntable: 
http://www.usbturntables.net/ [usbturntables.net]  
Many decent ones available in the $100 US - $200 US range.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31577588</id>
	<title>Yes, it's dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269263040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio.  Honestly, unless you're a DJ, it's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that <i>doesn't</i> exist as something digital (MP3, AAC, WAV, etc.)</p><p>And if you <i>are</i> a DJ, you should be using a dedicated piece of hardware...  Don't get me wrong, this makes me sad (probably because audio is a hobby of mine) but it isn't at all surprising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio .
Honestly , unless you 're a DJ , it 's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that does n't exist as something digital ( MP3 , AAC , WAV , etc .
) And if you are a DJ , you should be using a dedicated piece of hardware... Do n't get me wrong , this makes me sad ( probably because audio is a hobby of mine ) but it is n't at all surprising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The line-in jack will disappear with physical audio.
Honestly, unless you're a DJ, it's pretty unlikely that you have any audio that doesn't exist as something digital (MP3, AAC, WAV, etc.
)And if you are a DJ, you should be using a dedicated piece of hardware...  Don't get me wrong, this makes me sad (probably because audio is a hobby of mine) but it isn't at all surprising.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31578474</id>
	<title>I see both sides</title>
	<author>Voyager529</author>
	<datestamp>1269269160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a DJ, so I've got lots of various audio gear lying around. I've got a Numark mixer with USB out/in, an M-Audio MobilePRE USB, an M-Audio Connectiv, a Stanton ScratchAmp, a Creative X-Fi Notebook Expresscard, and an old Creative Extigy...and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM sounds orders of magnitude better than the integrated audio chipset in my laptop when it comes to recording audio. While I agree with some of the other posters that many laptops these days have ports that pull double duty based on software, if you're looking for any sort of fidelity to your audio, you're going to want an external solution anyway.</p><p>Of all of the laptops I've used, the best noise floor I've ever gotten was -35db. there's this hiss that's present in every single one of the recordings I've made. In some recordings that have a very low dynamic range and are recorded at around -0.5db with a decent amount of loudness, the hiss is somewhat hidden and I can get away with it. In recordings with ANY amount of dynamic range at all, the hiss is audible and drives me up a wall. If you've ever heard the audio from a $200 handheld camcorder, you'll know what i'm talking about. On the other hand, the worst offender on the list above is the Numark mixer. My guess is that it is largely based on the fact that it has an integrated power transformer, unlike the rest of the list there. Even at that, the worst noise floor I've ever gotten from that mixer is -70db. You'd have to crank your stereo to about 8.5 to hear the hiss out of that thing. The MobilePRE USB is probably the best, with a floor of around -90db. You can crank your stereo to 11 and you'll hear hiss from your amp before you hear hiss from its recordings. Finally, the higher end stuff here (MobilePRE, Connectiv, Numark Mixer) all have inputs that inherently provide a better signal (XLR and/or RCA) than an 1/8" cable. Simultaneously, if you're recording from most sources other than an iPod, you'll need an adapter to make it fit an 1/8" jack anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a DJ , so I 've got lots of various audio gear lying around .
I 've got a Numark mixer with USB out/in , an M-Audio MobilePRE USB , an M-Audio Connectiv , a Stanton ScratchAmp , a Creative X-Fi Notebook Expresscard , and an old Creative Extigy...and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM sounds orders of magnitude better than the integrated audio chipset in my laptop when it comes to recording audio .
While I agree with some of the other posters that many laptops these days have ports that pull double duty based on software , if you 're looking for any sort of fidelity to your audio , you 're going to want an external solution anyway.Of all of the laptops I 've used , the best noise floor I 've ever gotten was -35db .
there 's this hiss that 's present in every single one of the recordings I 've made .
In some recordings that have a very low dynamic range and are recorded at around -0.5db with a decent amount of loudness , the hiss is somewhat hidden and I can get away with it .
In recordings with ANY amount of dynamic range at all , the hiss is audible and drives me up a wall .
If you 've ever heard the audio from a $ 200 handheld camcorder , you 'll know what i 'm talking about .
On the other hand , the worst offender on the list above is the Numark mixer .
My guess is that it is largely based on the fact that it has an integrated power transformer , unlike the rest of the list there .
Even at that , the worst noise floor I 've ever gotten from that mixer is -70db .
You 'd have to crank your stereo to about 8.5 to hear the hiss out of that thing .
The MobilePRE USB is probably the best , with a floor of around -90db .
You can crank your stereo to 11 and you 'll hear hiss from your amp before you hear hiss from its recordings .
Finally , the higher end stuff here ( MobilePRE , Connectiv , Numark Mixer ) all have inputs that inherently provide a better signal ( XLR and/or RCA ) than an 1/8 " cable .
Simultaneously , if you 're recording from most sources other than an iPod , you 'll need an adapter to make it fit an 1/8 " jack anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a DJ, so I've got lots of various audio gear lying around.
I've got a Numark mixer with USB out/in, an M-Audio MobilePRE USB, an M-Audio Connectiv, a Stanton ScratchAmp, a Creative X-Fi Notebook Expresscard, and an old Creative Extigy...and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM sounds orders of magnitude better than the integrated audio chipset in my laptop when it comes to recording audio.
While I agree with some of the other posters that many laptops these days have ports that pull double duty based on software, if you're looking for any sort of fidelity to your audio, you're going to want an external solution anyway.Of all of the laptops I've used, the best noise floor I've ever gotten was -35db.
there's this hiss that's present in every single one of the recordings I've made.
In some recordings that have a very low dynamic range and are recorded at around -0.5db with a decent amount of loudness, the hiss is somewhat hidden and I can get away with it.
In recordings with ANY amount of dynamic range at all, the hiss is audible and drives me up a wall.
If you've ever heard the audio from a $200 handheld camcorder, you'll know what i'm talking about.
On the other hand, the worst offender on the list above is the Numark mixer.
My guess is that it is largely based on the fact that it has an integrated power transformer, unlike the rest of the list there.
Even at that, the worst noise floor I've ever gotten from that mixer is -70db.
You'd have to crank your stereo to about 8.5 to hear the hiss out of that thing.
The MobilePRE USB is probably the best, with a floor of around -90db.
You can crank your stereo to 11 and you'll hear hiss from your amp before you hear hiss from its recordings.
Finally, the higher end stuff here (MobilePRE, Connectiv, Numark Mixer) all have inputs that inherently provide a better signal (XLR and/or RCA) than an 1/8" cable.
Simultaneously, if you're recording from most sources other than an iPod, you'll need an adapter to make it fit an 1/8" jack anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_22_238211.31579840</id>
	<title>Mic and Line-In are compatible</title>
	<author>Jack Schitt</author>
	<datestamp>1269282900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty certain that it'll still have a mic port. This will double as a line-in in a pinch. Just turn down the recording source as mics produce a lot lower level than a line-in.</p><p>I helped a tech-savvy friend with this. He asked how I knew that the signaling was compatible. Lulz were had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty certain that it 'll still have a mic port .
This will double as a line-in in a pinch .
Just turn down the recording source as mics produce a lot lower level than a line-in.I helped a tech-savvy friend with this .
He asked how I knew that the signaling was compatible .
Lulz were had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty certain that it'll still have a mic port.
This will double as a line-in in a pinch.
Just turn down the recording source as mics produce a lot lower level than a line-in.I helped a tech-savvy friend with this.
He asked how I knew that the signaling was compatible.
Lulz were had.</sentencetext>
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