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	<title>Switzerland Passes Violent Games Ban</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1269191520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>BanjoTed writes with a followup to news from February that the Swiss government was <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/02/19/008216/Switzerland-Pursues-Violent-Games-Ban">pursuing a ban</a> on violent video games. He writes
<i>"Sadly, Switzerland has now passed the law that <a href="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38103/Switzerland-passes-violent-games-ban">paves the way for an outright ban on violent video games</a> in the country. The full implications of the ruling will not be known until the government reveals the exact requirements that will be laid down by the new legislation &ndash; a decision that has not yet been made. What is certain though is that the Swiss authorities have now obtained the power to introduce any measures they see fit. The likeliest outcome seems to be an outright ban on the production, distribution and sale of any games deemed to be unsuitable &ndash; most likely anything with either a PEGI 16+ or PEGI 18+ certificate."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>BanjoTed writes with a followup to news from February that the Swiss government was pursuing a ban on violent video games .
He writes " Sadly , Switzerland has now passed the law that paves the way for an outright ban on violent video games in the country .
The full implications of the ruling will not be known until the government reveals the exact requirements that will be laid down by the new legislation    a decision that has not yet been made .
What is certain though is that the Swiss authorities have now obtained the power to introduce any measures they see fit .
The likeliest outcome seems to be an outright ban on the production , distribution and sale of any games deemed to be unsuitable    most likely anything with either a PEGI 16 + or PEGI 18 + certificate .
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<sentencetext>BanjoTed writes with a followup to news from February that the Swiss government was pursuing a ban on violent video games.
He writes
"Sadly, Switzerland has now passed the law that paves the way for an outright ban on violent video games in the country.
The full implications of the ruling will not be known until the government reveals the exact requirements that will be laid down by the new legislation – a decision that has not yet been made.
What is certain though is that the Swiss authorities have now obtained the power to introduce any measures they see fit.
The likeliest outcome seems to be an outright ban on the production, distribution and sale of any games deemed to be unsuitable – most likely anything with either a PEGI 16+ or PEGI 18+ certificate.
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	<title>Re:Define violent game==killing for pleasure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269190920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Killing for pleasure is sick.  While socially acceptable, in many places, simulated killing for pleasure is no less sick (obviously less harmful for the victim).</p><p>If you state what you are arguing for plainly-- simulated violence and killing for pleasure-- the defense of violent games/ violent other activities becomes hard to defend without sounding line a psychopath.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killing for pleasure is sick .
While socially acceptable , in many places , simulated killing for pleasure is no less sick ( obviously less harmful for the victim ) .If you state what you are arguing for plainly-- simulated violence and killing for pleasure-- the defense of violent games/ violent other activities becomes hard to defend without sounding line a psychopath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killing for pleasure is sick.
While socially acceptable, in many places, simulated killing for pleasure is no less sick (obviously less harmful for the victim).If you state what you are arguing for plainly-- simulated violence and killing for pleasure-- the defense of violent games/ violent other activities becomes hard to defend without sounding line a psychopath.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559480</id>
	<title>Re:This is how I imagine...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269204540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Except that the bill would declare violent games to be "Alright, if you like that kind of thing" and would fail to pass when all members voted "Present".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the bill would declare violent games to be " Alright , if you like that kind of thing " and would fail to pass when all members voted " Present " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the bill would declare violent games to be "Alright, if you like that kind of thing" and would fail to pass when all members voted "Present".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558952</id>
	<title>So let me get this straight</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1269200040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every able-bodied male citizen of Switzerland is conscripted into the military at age 20 for a tour of mandatory duty (women may also volunteer), and soldiers are required to keep their weapons nearby even if they're at home. This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns, and the training to use them. And they're worried about <i>Doom</i>?</p><p>Is there a Swiss equivalent of Jack Thompson or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every able-bodied male citizen of Switzerland is conscripted into the military at age 20 for a tour of mandatory duty ( women may also volunteer ) , and soldiers are required to keep their weapons nearby even if they 're at home .
This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns , and the training to use them .
And they 're worried about Doom ? Is there a Swiss equivalent of Jack Thompson or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every able-bodied male citizen of Switzerland is conscripted into the military at age 20 for a tour of mandatory duty (women may also volunteer), and soldiers are required to keep their weapons nearby even if they're at home.
This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns, and the training to use them.
And they're worried about Doom?Is there a Swiss equivalent of Jack Thompson or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561146</id>
	<title>Re:What is "violent" anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269172440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>FTA:</p><p>The original motion had called for the ban on any title that &ldquo;requires cruel acts of violence against humans and humanlike creatures for in-game success&rdquo;.</p><p>==========</p><p>Why don't you try reading the freaking article for your answer!</p><p>They're not talking about *all* violence.  Just the cruel sh1t.</p><p>Are you so fscking dumb that you can't see that there are different *types* of violence?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : The original motion had called for the ban on any title that    requires cruel acts of violence against humans and humanlike creatures for in-game success    . = = = = = = = = = = Why do n't you try reading the freaking article for your answer ! They 're not talking about * all * violence .
Just the cruel sh1t.Are you so fscking dumb that you ca n't see that there are different * types * of violence ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA:The original motion had called for the ban on any title that “requires cruel acts of violence against humans and humanlike creatures for in-game success”.==========Why don't you try reading the freaking article for your answer!They're not talking about *all* violence.
Just the cruel sh1t.Are you so fscking dumb that you can't see that there are different *types* of violence?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564224</id>
	<title>That's not really a problem if you ask me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269200580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No problem. Germans buy their videogames from Austrian shops that ship to Germany. Francophone Swisses can buy them from France (Lyon is very close to Geneva and is reachable by TGV), and Italophone Swisses can buy them from Italy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:3</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No problem .
Germans buy their videogames from Austrian shops that ship to Germany .
Francophone Swisses can buy them from France ( Lyon is very close to Geneva and is reachable by TGV ) , and Italophone Swisses can buy them from Italy : 3</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problem.
Germans buy their videogames from Austrian shops that ship to Germany.
Francophone Swisses can buy them from France (Lyon is very close to Geneva and is reachable by TGV), and Italophone Swisses can buy them from Italy :3</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559210</id>
	<title>Not quite correct</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269202320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not yet a law. There isn't even a law text. The only thing that happend is that the parliament (Nationalrat and St&#228;nderat) has given the Bundesrat (think of the president, but 7 people) the order to create such a text. But he (the Bundesrat) first wants to "wait and observe" the situation. We will likely see a proposed text in a few years. Then first the parliament (both Nationalrat and St&#228;nderat) needs to accept one of the proposed laws. Afterwards the people can start a Referendum with 100000 signatures and then the people will vote on it. In five years we will most likely have a law that makes the pegi ratings binding (no selling of 18+ games to a twelve year old).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not yet a law .
There is n't even a law text .
The only thing that happend is that the parliament ( Nationalrat and St   nderat ) has given the Bundesrat ( think of the president , but 7 people ) the order to create such a text .
But he ( the Bundesrat ) first wants to " wait and observe " the situation .
We will likely see a proposed text in a few years .
Then first the parliament ( both Nationalrat and St   nderat ) needs to accept one of the proposed laws .
Afterwards the people can start a Referendum with 100000 signatures and then the people will vote on it .
In five years we will most likely have a law that makes the pegi ratings binding ( no selling of 18 + games to a twelve year old ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not yet a law.
There isn't even a law text.
The only thing that happend is that the parliament (Nationalrat and Ständerat) has given the Bundesrat (think of the president, but 7 people) the order to create such a text.
But he (the Bundesrat) first wants to "wait and observe" the situation.
We will likely see a proposed text in a few years.
Then first the parliament (both Nationalrat and Ständerat) needs to accept one of the proposed laws.
Afterwards the people can start a Referendum with 100000 signatures and then the people will vote on it.
In five years we will most likely have a law that makes the pegi ratings binding (no selling of 18+ games to a twelve year old).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31563632</id>
	<title>Re:Location</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1269192780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Isn't Switzerland in Europe? Whats to stop swiss gamers from driving to Germany, Italy or whatever and buying their games there?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Because ordering them by mail is easier.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Is n't Switzerland in Europe ?
Whats to stop swiss gamers from driving to Germany , Italy or whatever and buying their games there ?
Because ordering them by mail is easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't Switzerland in Europe?
Whats to stop swiss gamers from driving to Germany, Italy or whatever and buying their games there?
Because ordering them by mail is easier.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31567388</id>
	<title>Comparison with 50 years ago</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1269270240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Indeed. I thought this was an interesting article on the BBC, about censorship laws following from a moral panic over an urban myth, in 1954: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8574484.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8574484.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p><p>At first I thought, it's sad that the same madness is still going on. But then I thought, it's actually worse today - for all the madness of the 1950s law, at least it was restricted to the issue of selling to minors. But these days, bans on selling to minors is a given - it's not even debated by politicans anymore - and the new laws in various countries are about banning things even for adults.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
I thought this was an interesting article on the BBC , about censorship laws following from a moral panic over an urban myth , in 1954 : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8574484.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] At first I thought , it 's sad that the same madness is still going on .
But then I thought , it 's actually worse today - for all the madness of the 1950s law , at least it was restricted to the issue of selling to minors .
But these days , bans on selling to minors is a given - it 's not even debated by politicans anymore - and the new laws in various countries are about banning things even for adults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
I thought this was an interesting article on the BBC, about censorship laws following from a moral panic over an urban myth, in 1954: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8574484.stm [bbc.co.uk]At first I thought, it's sad that the same madness is still going on.
But then I thought, it's actually worse today - for all the madness of the 1950s law, at least it was restricted to the issue of selling to minors.
But these days, bans on selling to minors is a given - it's not even debated by politicans anymore - and the new laws in various countries are about banning things even for adults.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558888</id>
	<title>Re:But how does this reflect poorly on America?</title>
	<author>gilgongo</author>
	<datestamp>1269199500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There must be a good reason for this since it was done in a socialist paradise.</p>  </div><p>On what <b>possible</b> measure could anyone, in their right mind or with a nanosecond's consideration of the facts, think that SWITZERLAND - of all places! - is a "socialist paradise"??</p><p>They've been the most capitalistic country on earth since about 1720! Most Swiss I've met are like Ayn Rand! Do they even have any government-run social institutions? They're <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland\%E2\%80\%93European\_Union\_relations" title="wikipedia.org">not even a member</a> [wikipedia.org] of the EU!</p><p>That's got to be the funniest post on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. I've seen all week.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There must be a good reason for this since it was done in a socialist paradise .
On what possible measure could anyone , in their right mind or with a nanosecond 's consideration of the facts , think that SWITZERLAND - of all places !
- is a " socialist paradise " ?
? They 've been the most capitalistic country on earth since about 1720 !
Most Swiss I 've met are like Ayn Rand !
Do they even have any government-run social institutions ?
They 're not even a member [ wikipedia.org ] of the EU ! That 's got to be the funniest post on / .
I 've seen all week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There must be a good reason for this since it was done in a socialist paradise.
On what possible measure could anyone, in their right mind or with a nanosecond's consideration of the facts, think that SWITZERLAND - of all places!
- is a "socialist paradise"?
?They've been the most capitalistic country on earth since about 1720!
Most Swiss I've met are like Ayn Rand!
Do they even have any government-run social institutions?
They're not even a member [wikipedia.org] of the EU!That's got to be the funniest post on /.
I've seen all week.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564004</id>
	<title>Re:Define violent game ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269197160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If so, where does that place a game like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief\_(series)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Thief: The Dark Project</a> [wikipedia.org], where violence runs counter to the spirit of the game?</p></div><p>Violence doesn't run counter to the spirit of Thief - getting caught does<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>*loves to shoot arrows in the backs of dim-witted guards*</p></div>
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<tokenext>If so , where does that place a game like Thief : The Dark Project [ wikipedia.org ] , where violence runs counter to the spirit of the game ? Violence does n't run counter to the spirit of Thief - getting caught does : ) * loves to shoot arrows in the backs of dim-witted guards *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If so, where does that place a game like Thief: The Dark Project [wikipedia.org], where violence runs counter to the spirit of the game?Violence doesn't run counter to the spirit of Thief - getting caught does :)*loves to shoot arrows in the backs of dim-witted guards*
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560964</id>
	<title>Re:What is "violent" anyway?</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1269171180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>That's exactly the problem. Super Mario Brothers 1,2,3 is all based on violent, criminal acts such as: Kidnapping, extortion, killing/murder (stomping on the bad guys), and last assault with a deadly weapon (whilst shooting fireballs).</p><p>I haven't played all the Mario games. Mario Sunshine seems to have toned down the violence a bit and made it all cutesy.</p><p>It all unfortunately comes down to the language, tone and upbringing of the regulators. At most points where they decide to ban something, its already been decided. They'll rig all the media, committee hearings, manipulate the truth all to get to their objective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's exactly the problem .
Super Mario Brothers 1,2,3 is all based on violent , criminal acts such as : Kidnapping , extortion , killing/murder ( stomping on the bad guys ) , and last assault with a deadly weapon ( whilst shooting fireballs ) .I have n't played all the Mario games .
Mario Sunshine seems to have toned down the violence a bit and made it all cutesy.It all unfortunately comes down to the language , tone and upbringing of the regulators .
At most points where they decide to ban something , its already been decided .
They 'll rig all the media , committee hearings , manipulate the truth all to get to their objective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's exactly the problem.
Super Mario Brothers 1,2,3 is all based on violent, criminal acts such as: Kidnapping, extortion, killing/murder (stomping on the bad guys), and last assault with a deadly weapon (whilst shooting fireballs).I haven't played all the Mario games.
Mario Sunshine seems to have toned down the violence a bit and made it all cutesy.It all unfortunately comes down to the language, tone and upbringing of the regulators.
At most points where they decide to ban something, its already been decided.
They'll rig all the media, committee hearings, manipulate the truth all to get to their objective.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559200</id>
	<title>Online distrobution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269202140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>This only can really effect stores in switzerland i would assume. You could still get games off ebay etc... steam, or other online distribution methods or even go so far as well...piracy. I'm pretty sure the Swiss government is too dumb to realize there are other methods to acquiring software/games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This only can really effect stores in switzerland i would assume .
You could still get games off ebay etc... steam , or other online distribution methods or even go so far as well...piracy .
I 'm pretty sure the Swiss government is too dumb to realize there are other methods to acquiring software/games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This only can really effect stores in switzerland i would assume.
You could still get games off ebay etc... steam, or other online distribution methods or even go so far as well...piracy.
I'm pretty sure the Swiss government is too dumb to realize there are other methods to acquiring software/games.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558656</id>
	<title>People may not like it,</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1269197460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but at least it's a clearly stated policy with a clearly stated agenda. I disagree with this kind of censorship but it's better than the "refused classification" ban in Australia which seems to be open to more liberal interpretation than this law (although we'll have to see how it's effected).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but at least it 's a clearly stated policy with a clearly stated agenda .
I disagree with this kind of censorship but it 's better than the " refused classification " ban in Australia which seems to be open to more liberal interpretation than this law ( although we 'll have to see how it 's effected ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but at least it's a clearly stated policy with a clearly stated agenda.
I disagree with this kind of censorship but it's better than the "refused classification" ban in Australia which seems to be open to more liberal interpretation than this law (although we'll have to see how it's effected).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558754</id>
	<title>The idea of a total ban has more holes than ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269198480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>
The idea of a total ban has more holes than a lump of Swiss cheese.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea of a total ban has more holes than a lump of Swiss cheese .</tokentext>
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The idea of a total ban has more holes than a lump of Swiss cheese.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31569874</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>halber\_mensch</author>
	<datestamp>1269276900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.</p></div><p>To play the devil's advocate, if there were 6.3 million new mass murders then it would be ok too? How do you know that the number of murders didn't significantly increase, or that the number of murders won't increase due to the effects of this game on young minds once they grow up? You're lack of scientific evidence is worse than that on the other side of the argument, with the difference that they actually have done studies (however flawed) and you have not, your pulling conclusions from your anus.</p></div><p>Even if that were the case, you've got to at least try to show causality. <i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation\_does\_not\_imply\_causation" title="wikipedia.org">cum hoc ergo propter hoc</a> [wikipedia.org] </i>. 6.4 million copies of a violent game may be sold, and 6.3 million new murderers may appear at the same time, but that does not imply anything about causality. The numbers themselves don't even suggest a relationship between the individuals that are murderers and the purchasers of the video game, nor do the two bits of information constitute the entire scenario. 6.3 million people might have also had diarrhea in the same time span. 6.3 million people might have eaten a big mac at McDonald's. 6.3 million people might have stubbed their toes on the coffee table. 6.3 million people might have been laid off work and went nuts over it. It could just as well be that 6.3 million people joined a cult that required murder for initiation. Or maybe only 2 million of them joined the cult and 4.3 million had road rage. The argument also assumes several false dichotomies - that all the game players are killers or that all are not, that the game is the sole cause for murderous behavior or is not to any degree,  etc. Bad logic is the fundamental building block of crime prevention law, and contributes heavily to its failure.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there were n't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.To play the devil 's advocate , if there were 6.3 million new mass murders then it would be ok too ?
How do you know that the number of murders did n't significantly increase , or that the number of murders wo n't increase due to the effects of this game on young minds once they grow up ?
You 're lack of scientific evidence is worse than that on the other side of the argument , with the difference that they actually have done studies ( however flawed ) and you have not , your pulling conclusions from your anus.Even if that were the case , you 've got to at least try to show causality .
cum hoc ergo propter hoc [ wikipedia.org ] .
6.4 million copies of a violent game may be sold , and 6.3 million new murderers may appear at the same time , but that does not imply anything about causality .
The numbers themselves do n't even suggest a relationship between the individuals that are murderers and the purchasers of the video game , nor do the two bits of information constitute the entire scenario .
6.3 million people might have also had diarrhea in the same time span .
6.3 million people might have eaten a big mac at McDonald 's .
6.3 million people might have stubbed their toes on the coffee table .
6.3 million people might have been laid off work and went nuts over it .
It could just as well be that 6.3 million people joined a cult that required murder for initiation .
Or maybe only 2 million of them joined the cult and 4.3 million had road rage .
The argument also assumes several false dichotomies - that all the game players are killers or that all are not , that the game is the sole cause for murderous behavior or is not to any degree , etc .
Bad logic is the fundamental building block of crime prevention law , and contributes heavily to its failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.To play the devil's advocate, if there were 6.3 million new mass murders then it would be ok too?
How do you know that the number of murders didn't significantly increase, or that the number of murders won't increase due to the effects of this game on young minds once they grow up?
You're lack of scientific evidence is worse than that on the other side of the argument, with the difference that they actually have done studies (however flawed) and you have not, your pulling conclusions from your anus.Even if that were the case, you've got to at least try to show causality.
cum hoc ergo propter hoc [wikipedia.org] .
6.4 million copies of a violent game may be sold, and 6.3 million new murderers may appear at the same time, but that does not imply anything about causality.
The numbers themselves don't even suggest a relationship between the individuals that are murderers and the purchasers of the video game, nor do the two bits of information constitute the entire scenario.
6.3 million people might have also had diarrhea in the same time span.
6.3 million people might have eaten a big mac at McDonald's.
6.3 million people might have stubbed their toes on the coffee table.
6.3 million people might have been laid off work and went nuts over it.
It could just as well be that 6.3 million people joined a cult that required murder for initiation.
Or maybe only 2 million of them joined the cult and 4.3 million had road rage.
The argument also assumes several false dichotomies - that all the game players are killers or that all are not, that the game is the sole cause for murderous behavior or is not to any degree,  etc.
Bad logic is the fundamental building block of crime prevention law, and contributes heavily to its failure.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559914</id>
	<title>Re:Location</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269164400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With this new thing called the "internet" I hear you can buy something and they will just mail it to your house.
<br> <br>
Pretty awesome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With this new thing called the " internet " I hear you can buy something and they will just mail it to your house .
Pretty awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With this new thing called the "internet" I hear you can buy something and they will just mail it to your house.
Pretty awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561216</id>
	<title>Re:Define violent game ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269172920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Obviously pretty much any RTS is out of the question.</p><p>God, you knee-jerk aszholes are ridiculous.  They're not talking about *all* violent games, just the stuff that requires *cruel* behavior.</p><p>If you're so stupid that you can't see that there is a difference between cruel and non-cruel violence (yes, gee whiz, i'm sure you can come up with some stupid example of how the term "cruel" could be stretched to define a whole spectrum of behaviors), then lord help you, idiot!</p><p>And *3* other r3tards voted you "Insightful?"  God, you slashdotters must all have come from the same stunted end of the gene pool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Obviously pretty much any RTS is out of the question.God , you knee-jerk aszholes are ridiculous .
They 're not talking about * all * violent games , just the stuff that requires * cruel * behavior.If you 're so stupid that you ca n't see that there is a difference between cruel and non-cruel violence ( yes , gee whiz , i 'm sure you can come up with some stupid example of how the term " cruel " could be stretched to define a whole spectrum of behaviors ) , then lord help you , idiot ! And * 3 * other r3tards voted you " Insightful ?
" God , you slashdotters must all have come from the same stunted end of the gene pool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Obviously pretty much any RTS is out of the question.God, you knee-jerk aszholes are ridiculous.
They're not talking about *all* violent games, just the stuff that requires *cruel* behavior.If you're so stupid that you can't see that there is a difference between cruel and non-cruel violence (yes, gee whiz, i'm sure you can come up with some stupid example of how the term "cruel" could be stretched to define a whole spectrum of behaviors), then lord help you, idiot!And *3* other r3tards voted you "Insightful?
"  God, you slashdotters must all have come from the same stunted end of the gene pool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31565100</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1269259140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hilarious that they are so concerned with military preparedness. Prepared for what exactly? Swiss in a war? Unheard of!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hilarious that they are so concerned with military preparedness .
Prepared for what exactly ?
Swiss in a war ?
Unheard of !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hilarious that they are so concerned with military preparedness.
Prepared for what exactly?
Swiss in a war?
Unheard of!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558658</id>
	<title>I can't believe the Swiss accepted this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269197520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously? Make something illegal without defining what?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
Make something illegal without defining what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
Make something illegal without defining what?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31580922</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1269341640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's quite obvious to me that it's more than coincidence.</p></div><p>Could it be that even the leaders sometimes juts follow the herd, or appoint bad people, or only appoint people with opinions they can themselves understand ("cellular video telephintergames---whatamajiggy?  Uhmm... ban tits!")?</p><p>Or does it <em>have</em> to be a conspiracy?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite obvious to me that it 's more than coincidence.Could it be that even the leaders sometimes juts follow the herd , or appoint bad people , or only appoint people with opinions they can themselves understand ( " cellular video telephintergames---whatamajiggy ?
Uhmm... ban tits !
" ) ? Or does it have to be a conspiracy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite obvious to me that it's more than coincidence.Could it be that even the leaders sometimes juts follow the herd, or appoint bad people, or only appoint people with opinions they can themselves understand ("cellular video telephintergames---whatamajiggy?
Uhmm... ban tits!
")?Or does it have to be a conspiracy?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31563326</id>
	<title>Re:So let me get this straight</title>
	<author>ZirconCode</author>
	<datestamp>1269190080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know that unlike in america, we store the bullets in a public town center only accessible in times of war</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know that unlike in america , we store the bullets in a public town center only accessible in times of war</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know that unlike in america, we store the bullets in a public town center only accessible in times of war</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561164</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>cain</author>
	<datestamp>1269172560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control? Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html" title="nizkor.org" rel="nofollow">Straw man</a> [nizkor.org] and <a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html" title="nizkor.org" rel="nofollow">slippery slope</a> [nizkor.org]. I'm not refuting or agreeing, just pointing out that the argument is weak.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control ?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games , porn and free speech in general and they 're doing it for no logical reasons .
Straw man [ nizkor.org ] and slippery slope [ nizkor.org ] .
I 'm not refuting or agreeing , just pointing out that the argument is weak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.
Straw man [nizkor.org] and slippery slope [nizkor.org].
I'm not refuting or agreeing, just pointing out that the argument is weak.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558828</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269199080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Switzerland bans everything.... Not to forget Minarets http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-3-2009/oliver-s-travels---switzerland</p><p>So long free world!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland bans everything.... Not to forget Minarets http : //www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-3-2009/oliver-s-travels---switzerlandSo long free world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland bans everything.... Not to forget Minarets http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-3-2009/oliver-s-travels---switzerlandSo long free world!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31565088</id>
	<title>In other news: Swiss ISPs</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1269258840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news: Swiss ISPs are gearing up for an increase in Bittorrent traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news : Swiss ISPs are gearing up for an increase in Bittorrent traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news: Swiss ISPs are gearing up for an increase in Bittorrent traffic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559322</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269203400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dodgy bank accounts are American, not Swiss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dodgy bank accounts are American , not Swiss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dodgy bank accounts are American, not Swiss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560064</id>
	<title>Political wankery</title>
	<author>Sean</author>
	<datestamp>1269165360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess all violent games will simply be downloaded then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess all violent games will simply be downloaded then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess all violent games will simply be downloaded then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558804</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>Herkum01</author>
	<datestamp>1269198900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget, they will bundle the game with its very own secret bank account! SWEET! Less violence, more embezzling, everyone WINS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget , they will bundle the game with its very own secret bank account !
SWEET ! Less violence , more embezzling , everyone WINS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget, they will bundle the game with its very own secret bank account!
SWEET! Less violence, more embezzling, everyone WINS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558650</id>
	<title>What is "violent" anyway?</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1269197400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have played all sorts of games where targeting and destroying objects is what the game is all about.  This started with military flight simulations and went on to tanks, mechs and space ships.  Then there was the first-person shooter... started out shooting Nazis then monsters and other people... at least the shapes were people.</p><p>Also, there have been "boxing" and wrestling games for a very long time -- widely accepted sports that are also quite violent.  In fact, American football is quite violent.</p><p>I know this is targeting the grand theft auto games, but there are LOTS of games where there is killing and dying.  Few with rape and beating activities, but still.  As far as I am concerned, MOST games are violent or could be considered such.  Where should the line be drawn?  The line certainly can't be straight as there are simply too many exceptions in government.</p><p>Cops are allowed to be violent.  Soldiers are allowed to be violent.  The news is permitted to display violence.  Art is allowed to depict violent scenes... many of which are considered to be masterpieces.</p><p>And while we are telling people what they can and can't do in the privacy of their own homes, let's outlaw "violent" sex play... no more bondage and certainly no role plays or sexual fantasies that might be considered violent.</p><p>The term "slippery slope" is an understatement when it comes to this topic.</p><p>Forget legislating against entertainment.  Let's legislate good parenting and see how many career-minded professionals and politicians get caught up in that net.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have played all sorts of games where targeting and destroying objects is what the game is all about .
This started with military flight simulations and went on to tanks , mechs and space ships .
Then there was the first-person shooter... started out shooting Nazis then monsters and other people... at least the shapes were people.Also , there have been " boxing " and wrestling games for a very long time -- widely accepted sports that are also quite violent .
In fact , American football is quite violent.I know this is targeting the grand theft auto games , but there are LOTS of games where there is killing and dying .
Few with rape and beating activities , but still .
As far as I am concerned , MOST games are violent or could be considered such .
Where should the line be drawn ?
The line certainly ca n't be straight as there are simply too many exceptions in government.Cops are allowed to be violent .
Soldiers are allowed to be violent .
The news is permitted to display violence .
Art is allowed to depict violent scenes... many of which are considered to be masterpieces.And while we are telling people what they can and ca n't do in the privacy of their own homes , let 's outlaw " violent " sex play... no more bondage and certainly no role plays or sexual fantasies that might be considered violent.The term " slippery slope " is an understatement when it comes to this topic.Forget legislating against entertainment .
Let 's legislate good parenting and see how many career-minded professionals and politicians get caught up in that net .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have played all sorts of games where targeting and destroying objects is what the game is all about.
This started with military flight simulations and went on to tanks, mechs and space ships.
Then there was the first-person shooter... started out shooting Nazis then monsters and other people... at least the shapes were people.Also, there have been "boxing" and wrestling games for a very long time -- widely accepted sports that are also quite violent.
In fact, American football is quite violent.I know this is targeting the grand theft auto games, but there are LOTS of games where there is killing and dying.
Few with rape and beating activities, but still.
As far as I am concerned, MOST games are violent or could be considered such.
Where should the line be drawn?
The line certainly can't be straight as there are simply too many exceptions in government.Cops are allowed to be violent.
Soldiers are allowed to be violent.
The news is permitted to display violence.
Art is allowed to depict violent scenes... many of which are considered to be masterpieces.And while we are telling people what they can and can't do in the privacy of their own homes, let's outlaw "violent" sex play... no more bondage and certainly no role plays or sexual fantasies that might be considered violent.The term "slippery slope" is an understatement when it comes to this topic.Forget legislating against entertainment.
Let's legislate good parenting and see how many career-minded professionals and politicians get caught up in that net.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558608</id>
	<title>NHL should be the more popular league in the US</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1269197100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If video games cause real world behavior, based on sales of the EA NHL 94-99 series games, the NHL should be vastly more popular than it is today.  There should be an entire generation of hardcore American hockey fans who grew up playing the EA games.</p><p>But, there isn't.  No one played NHL 99 and suddenly decided to demand their community center add a hockey rink.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If video games cause real world behavior , based on sales of the EA NHL 94-99 series games , the NHL should be vastly more popular than it is today .
There should be an entire generation of hardcore American hockey fans who grew up playing the EA games.But , there is n't .
No one played NHL 99 and suddenly decided to demand their community center add a hockey rink .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If video games cause real world behavior, based on sales of the EA NHL 94-99 series games, the NHL should be vastly more popular than it is today.
There should be an entire generation of hardcore American hockey fans who grew up playing the EA games.But, there isn't.
No one played NHL 99 and suddenly decided to demand their community center add a hockey rink.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558730</id>
	<title>A is not A anymore</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1269198120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did someone pass a law banning correlation between Slashdot headlines and the actual stories?</p><p>Title: game banned<br>Story: new law paves the way for a ban, but it's still unclear.</p><p>It use to be once in a while, but now...</p><p>What's next?</p><p>Title: Civilization destroyed in improbable cataclysmic event!<br>Story: 2012 released on DVD and Blu-Ray</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did someone pass a law banning correlation between Slashdot headlines and the actual stories ? Title : game bannedStory : new law paves the way for a ban , but it 's still unclear.It use to be once in a while , but now...What 's next ? Title : Civilization destroyed in improbable cataclysmic event ! Story : 2012 released on DVD and Blu-Ray</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did someone pass a law banning correlation between Slashdot headlines and the actual stories?Title: game bannedStory: new law paves the way for a ban, but it's still unclear.It use to be once in a while, but now...What's next?Title: Civilization destroyed in improbable cataclysmic event!Story: 2012 released on DVD and Blu-Ray</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558776</id>
	<title>What's going on?</title>
	<author>drej</author>
	<datestamp>1269198600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How come Switzerland suddenly has an opinion about everything? First the minarets, now violent games...did Zapp Braningan sent spies to stir up the place or what?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How come Switzerland suddenly has an opinion about everything ?
First the minarets , now violent games...did Zapp Braningan sent spies to stir up the place or what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How come Switzerland suddenly has an opinion about everything?
First the minarets, now violent games...did Zapp Braningan sent spies to stir up the place or what?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560952</id>
	<title>Re:Other end of the spectrum.</title>
	<author>MSZ</author>
	<datestamp>1269171120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does lack of censorship mean that everyone should be able to view whatever they want to?</p></div></blockquote><p>This is exactly what "lack of censorship" means. If you ban some kind of content (be it porn, violence or anything else (like criticism of Great Leader)) it means censorship. Yes, there is that commonly accepted exception of limiting access to some stuff for kids but for adults there should be restriction.<br>That assumes they request the content by their own choice.</p><blockquote><div><p>Since it is obvious that there are things that are 'off limits' that SHOULD remain censored, who decides the demarcation points?</p></div></blockquote><p>So what are these "obvious" things that "should" be censored? Let's start with demonstrating that there are such things that must be censored, for some objective reason. I don't see any. You apparently do - so what bothers you so much?</p><blockquote><div><p>Why is it that so few people frown upon this method of 'forcing' of opinions?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because they don't see it as such?<br>Appeals to base desires, as you call it, do not force anyone to do anything. They try to convince people that some things are desirable more than other, mostly by propagating obvious lie that if you buy Brand X Whatever you'll get laid. Yet I don't remember being forced by advertising. Maybe it's beacuse I've lived in the system that DID force opinions, by arresting and sometimes killing people that did not simply repeat "the truth" (aka the Party line), so I know what forcing is.</p><blockquote><div><p>But no... after many years of pondering on this I have come to the conclusion that it is very possible that some people for whatever reasons ranging from mental health to various circumstances in their lives are changed by beholding such wholesale carnage on the screen, and that it is very possible that the carnage bleeds over from pixels to real life.</p></div></blockquote><p>Maybe. Or maybe it's reverse, in that violent people are more drawn to violent games. Anyway, statistics show no rise in violence that could be correlated with games, in fact there seems to be a reverse correlation. The claims of the games making people violent in real life are made frequently, yet no proof is offered. If you have one, please share it and enlighten us, otherwise please stop propagating the meme.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does lack of censorship mean that everyone should be able to view whatever they want to ? This is exactly what " lack of censorship " means .
If you ban some kind of content ( be it porn , violence or anything else ( like criticism of Great Leader ) ) it means censorship .
Yes , there is that commonly accepted exception of limiting access to some stuff for kids but for adults there should be restriction.That assumes they request the content by their own choice.Since it is obvious that there are things that are 'off limits ' that SHOULD remain censored , who decides the demarcation points ? So what are these " obvious " things that " should " be censored ?
Let 's start with demonstrating that there are such things that must be censored , for some objective reason .
I do n't see any .
You apparently do - so what bothers you so much ? Why is it that so few people frown upon this method of 'forcing ' of opinions ? Because they do n't see it as such ? Appeals to base desires , as you call it , do not force anyone to do anything .
They try to convince people that some things are desirable more than other , mostly by propagating obvious lie that if you buy Brand X Whatever you 'll get laid .
Yet I do n't remember being forced by advertising .
Maybe it 's beacuse I 've lived in the system that DID force opinions , by arresting and sometimes killing people that did not simply repeat " the truth " ( aka the Party line ) , so I know what forcing is.But no... after many years of pondering on this I have come to the conclusion that it is very possible that some people for whatever reasons ranging from mental health to various circumstances in their lives are changed by beholding such wholesale carnage on the screen , and that it is very possible that the carnage bleeds over from pixels to real life.Maybe .
Or maybe it 's reverse , in that violent people are more drawn to violent games .
Anyway , statistics show no rise in violence that could be correlated with games , in fact there seems to be a reverse correlation .
The claims of the games making people violent in real life are made frequently , yet no proof is offered .
If you have one , please share it and enlighten us , otherwise please stop propagating the meme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does lack of censorship mean that everyone should be able to view whatever they want to?This is exactly what "lack of censorship" means.
If you ban some kind of content (be it porn, violence or anything else (like criticism of Great Leader)) it means censorship.
Yes, there is that commonly accepted exception of limiting access to some stuff for kids but for adults there should be restriction.That assumes they request the content by their own choice.Since it is obvious that there are things that are 'off limits' that SHOULD remain censored, who decides the demarcation points?So what are these "obvious" things that "should" be censored?
Let's start with demonstrating that there are such things that must be censored, for some objective reason.
I don't see any.
You apparently do - so what bothers you so much?Why is it that so few people frown upon this method of 'forcing' of opinions?Because they don't see it as such?Appeals to base desires, as you call it, do not force anyone to do anything.
They try to convince people that some things are desirable more than other, mostly by propagating obvious lie that if you buy Brand X Whatever you'll get laid.
Yet I don't remember being forced by advertising.
Maybe it's beacuse I've lived in the system that DID force opinions, by arresting and sometimes killing people that did not simply repeat "the truth" (aka the Party line), so I know what forcing is.But no... after many years of pondering on this I have come to the conclusion that it is very possible that some people for whatever reasons ranging from mental health to various circumstances in their lives are changed by beholding such wholesale carnage on the screen, and that it is very possible that the carnage bleeds over from pixels to real life.Maybe.
Or maybe it's reverse, in that violent people are more drawn to violent games.
Anyway, statistics show no rise in violence that could be correlated with games, in fact there seems to be a reverse correlation.
The claims of the games making people violent in real life are made frequently, yet no proof is offered.
If you have one, please share it and enlighten us, otherwise please stop propagating the meme.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560898</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>JohnPombrio</author>
	<datestamp>1269170820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like China and Google. Governments can impose whatever draconian measures they want but can they enforce them? Its a global economy after all. How will they stop XBox live or Steam downloads? Toothless tigers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like China and Google .
Governments can impose whatever draconian measures they want but can they enforce them ?
Its a global economy after all .
How will they stop XBox live or Steam downloads ?
Toothless tigers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like China and Google.
Governments can impose whatever draconian measures they want but can they enforce them?
Its a global economy after all.
How will they stop XBox live or Steam downloads?
Toothless tigers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31570346</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269278340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I too lived in Switzerland for 2 years (I suspect for the same reason as the above poster, though I no longer have anything to do with that crap, I did enjoy my time there).  It is actually a safe and awesome country.  Every man has a assault weapon in their home and is trained in its use.  Women literally walk down dark alleys at night and nothing ever happens.  They're so tolerant (well sort of, they have some xenophobia) that I've seen couples having sex clothed and unclothed in public, even same sex couples, and no one minded.  It's really a mind your own business type of country.  They also love the heck out of their home, to the point that gradeschool kids are required to learn the reasons that their local community's streets are named as they are (this is also a requirement for citizenship).</p><p>Overall it's a great country, though I'm not saying there aren't bad things about it.  The 50 hour standard work week kind of sucks, though since NO ONE commutes (literally a 45 minute drive is an all day event over there), it might work out to about the same amount of time that the average american works.  It is probably one of the top 10 best countries to live in, though it'd be at the bottom of that list, pretty much every Nordic country beats it on my criteria list (incidentally the US is around number 40 on my list, I'd have already left but am trying to finish raising my kid in a divorce situation).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I too lived in Switzerland for 2 years ( I suspect for the same reason as the above poster , though I no longer have anything to do with that crap , I did enjoy my time there ) .
It is actually a safe and awesome country .
Every man has a assault weapon in their home and is trained in its use .
Women literally walk down dark alleys at night and nothing ever happens .
They 're so tolerant ( well sort of , they have some xenophobia ) that I 've seen couples having sex clothed and unclothed in public , even same sex couples , and no one minded .
It 's really a mind your own business type of country .
They also love the heck out of their home , to the point that gradeschool kids are required to learn the reasons that their local community 's streets are named as they are ( this is also a requirement for citizenship ) .Overall it 's a great country , though I 'm not saying there are n't bad things about it .
The 50 hour standard work week kind of sucks , though since NO ONE commutes ( literally a 45 minute drive is an all day event over there ) , it might work out to about the same amount of time that the average american works .
It is probably one of the top 10 best countries to live in , though it 'd be at the bottom of that list , pretty much every Nordic country beats it on my criteria list ( incidentally the US is around number 40 on my list , I 'd have already left but am trying to finish raising my kid in a divorce situation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too lived in Switzerland for 2 years (I suspect for the same reason as the above poster, though I no longer have anything to do with that crap, I did enjoy my time there).
It is actually a safe and awesome country.
Every man has a assault weapon in their home and is trained in its use.
Women literally walk down dark alleys at night and nothing ever happens.
They're so tolerant (well sort of, they have some xenophobia) that I've seen couples having sex clothed and unclothed in public, even same sex couples, and no one minded.
It's really a mind your own business type of country.
They also love the heck out of their home, to the point that gradeschool kids are required to learn the reasons that their local community's streets are named as they are (this is also a requirement for citizenship).Overall it's a great country, though I'm not saying there aren't bad things about it.
The 50 hour standard work week kind of sucks, though since NO ONE commutes (literally a 45 minute drive is an all day event over there), it might work out to about the same amount of time that the average american works.
It is probably one of the top 10 best countries to live in, though it'd be at the bottom of that list, pretty much every Nordic country beats it on my criteria list (incidentally the US is around number 40 on my list, I'd have already left but am trying to finish raising my kid in a divorce situation).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31562004</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>jpyeck</author>
	<datestamp>1269179340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw them a handful of times in Hinwil, ZH from our office building.  I do believe we were near a depot though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw them a handful of times in Hinwil , ZH from our office building .
I do believe we were near a depot though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw them a handful of times in Hinwil, ZH from our office building.
I do believe we were near a depot though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564436</id>
	<title>Probably will get shot down/altered along the way</title>
	<author>andi75</author>
	<datestamp>1269290280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just the first step in a long convoluted law making process. More information on how law making in Switzerland works is found in this excellent (and entertaining) documentary:</p><p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381395/" title="imdb.com">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381395/</a> [imdb.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just the first step in a long convoluted law making process .
More information on how law making in Switzerland works is found in this excellent ( and entertaining ) documentary : http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt0381395/ [ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just the first step in a long convoluted law making process.
More information on how law making in Switzerland works is found in this excellent (and entertaining) documentary:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381395/ [imdb.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560650</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>vikstar</author>
	<datestamp>1269169200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.</p></div><p>To play the devil's advocate, if there were 6.3 million new mass murders then it would be ok too? How do you know that the number of murders didn't significantly increase, or that the number of murders won't increase due to the effects of this game on young minds once they grow up? You're lack of scientific evidence is worse than that on the other side of the argument, with the difference that they actually have done studies (however flawed) and you have not, your pulling conclusions from your anus.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there were n't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.To play the devil 's advocate , if there were 6.3 million new mass murders then it would be ok too ?
How do you know that the number of murders did n't significantly increase , or that the number of murders wo n't increase due to the effects of this game on young minds once they grow up ?
You 're lack of scientific evidence is worse than that on the other side of the argument , with the difference that they actually have done studies ( however flawed ) and you have not , your pulling conclusions from your anus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.To play the devil's advocate, if there were 6.3 million new mass murders then it would be ok too?
How do you know that the number of murders didn't significantly increase, or that the number of murders won't increase due to the effects of this game on young minds once they grow up?
You're lack of scientific evidence is worse than that on the other side of the argument, with the difference that they actually have done studies (however flawed) and you have not, your pulling conclusions from your anus.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559278</id>
	<title>Stupid law.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269203100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It'll allow Carmageddon but forbid Rabbids go Home, as the former doesn't require violence against humans (but does allow it, with very great positive effects in game) whereas the second requires you to shout "BAAAAAAAAAAH" against humans to get more stuff from them. That's got to be one of the dumbest laws I've ever seen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'll allow Carmageddon but forbid Rabbids go Home , as the former does n't require violence against humans ( but does allow it , with very great positive effects in game ) whereas the second requires you to shout " BAAAAAAAAAAH " against humans to get more stuff from them .
That 's got to be one of the dumbest laws I 've ever seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'll allow Carmageddon but forbid Rabbids go Home, as the former doesn't require violence against humans (but does allow it, with very great positive effects in game) whereas the second requires you to shout "BAAAAAAAAAAH" against humans to get more stuff from them.
That's got to be one of the dumbest laws I've ever seen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559138</id>
	<title>Switzerland has NOT passed any ban!</title>
	<author>cdrnet</author>
	<datestamp>1269201600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two legislative organs have suggested two bans, but that's by no means the end of the story (remember, everything in politics is very slow in Switzerland, mainly due to their direct democracy approach and the fact that there's no concept of a president there to speed things up):</p><p>a) ban extremely violent games for anyone under 18 years<br>b) ban extremely violent games for anyone, as well as the possession, production and sale thereof</p><p>a) is well accepted and b) is highly controversial, but unfortunately made it through nevertheless. It is very unlikely that the executive will implement b) though, in fact it's even unlikely it will implement anything as there are laws banning "cruel" violence already (with a rather high bar though, considering all the horror movies making it through), and beside being too controversial, b) is in fact considered not to be implementable as it would require a constitutional change which is unlikely to happen. Even then, there would be various ways to block it if enough people agree and enforce a vote on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two legislative organs have suggested two bans , but that 's by no means the end of the story ( remember , everything in politics is very slow in Switzerland , mainly due to their direct democracy approach and the fact that there 's no concept of a president there to speed things up ) : a ) ban extremely violent games for anyone under 18 yearsb ) ban extremely violent games for anyone , as well as the possession , production and sale thereofa ) is well accepted and b ) is highly controversial , but unfortunately made it through nevertheless .
It is very unlikely that the executive will implement b ) though , in fact it 's even unlikely it will implement anything as there are laws banning " cruel " violence already ( with a rather high bar though , considering all the horror movies making it through ) , and beside being too controversial , b ) is in fact considered not to be implementable as it would require a constitutional change which is unlikely to happen .
Even then , there would be various ways to block it if enough people agree and enforce a vote on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two legislative organs have suggested two bans, but that's by no means the end of the story (remember, everything in politics is very slow in Switzerland, mainly due to their direct democracy approach and the fact that there's no concept of a president there to speed things up):a) ban extremely violent games for anyone under 18 yearsb) ban extremely violent games for anyone, as well as the possession, production and sale thereofa) is well accepted and b) is highly controversial, but unfortunately made it through nevertheless.
It is very unlikely that the executive will implement b) though, in fact it's even unlikely it will implement anything as there are laws banning "cruel" violence already (with a rather high bar though, considering all the horror movies making it through), and beside being too controversial, b) is in fact considered not to be implementable as it would require a constitutional change which is unlikely to happen.
Even then, there would be various ways to block it if enough people agree and enforce a vote on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558506</id>
	<title>What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269196020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?  Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.  Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.  This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games don't turn people into killers and yet are moronic, moralist rulers still press on with their attacks on our freedom.</p><p>The one thing that will turn me into a killer is if this continues because I'm growing to hate society more and more by the day.  It's been shown many times throughout history that people will only take so much before heads start to roll.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control ?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games , porn and free speech in general and they 're doing it for no logical reasons .
Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there were n't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets .
This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games do n't turn people into killers and yet are moronic , moralist rulers still press on with their attacks on our freedom.The one thing that will turn me into a killer is if this continues because I 'm growing to hate society more and more by the day .
It 's been shown many times throughout history that people will only take so much before heads start to roll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.
Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.
This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games don't turn people into killers and yet are moronic, moralist rulers still press on with their attacks on our freedom.The one thing that will turn me into a killer is if this continues because I'm growing to hate society more and more by the day.
It's been shown many times throughout history that people will only take so much before heads start to roll.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558826</id>
	<title>An empty gesture</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1269199020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Three things will happen here. First, because Switzerland is a relatively small, landlocked country, many Swiss gamers will simply take the relatively short drive to a neighboring country to purchase the games they want. Second, many games are available for purchase online, so the drive will in many cases be unnecessary. And third, anyone who was still waiting for an excuse to pirate games in Switzerland now has it, and quite frankly, more power to them.</p><p>The only way this could be more of an empty gesture is if the Swiss legislature banned wicked thoughts. Good luck with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Three things will happen here .
First , because Switzerland is a relatively small , landlocked country , many Swiss gamers will simply take the relatively short drive to a neighboring country to purchase the games they want .
Second , many games are available for purchase online , so the drive will in many cases be unnecessary .
And third , anyone who was still waiting for an excuse to pirate games in Switzerland now has it , and quite frankly , more power to them.The only way this could be more of an empty gesture is if the Swiss legislature banned wicked thoughts .
Good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Three things will happen here.
First, because Switzerland is a relatively small, landlocked country, many Swiss gamers will simply take the relatively short drive to a neighboring country to purchase the games they want.
Second, many games are available for purchase online, so the drive will in many cases be unnecessary.
And third, anyone who was still waiting for an excuse to pirate games in Switzerland now has it, and quite frankly, more power to them.The only way this could be more of an empty gesture is if the Swiss legislature banned wicked thoughts.
Good luck with that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31565150</id>
	<title>Re:Hey, Rockstar!</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1269259740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can I skip the border to Austria to purchase a Steyr AUG?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I skip the border to Austria to purchase a Steyr AUG ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I skip the border to Austria to purchase a Steyr AUG?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560062</id>
	<title>Re:there won't be ban</title>
	<author>ZeRu</author>
	<datestamp>1269165240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>even in the unlikely event that that law then will be passed by the parlament, we just need 50k signatures to get a public vote on it (in a world with facebook, that will be very easy).</p></div><p>I doubt that Facebook groups can influence politicians to change laws, gamers would have to make some public protests and form lobby groups like they did in Australia to change anything. However, since Switzerland is the most peaceful nation on the world, I doubt that their people are very fond of street protests.</p><p>I'm not a Swiss though so I might be wrong about that, it's just how I percieve them, being happy with their Government and all.</p><p>Regardless, you can't *protest* on Facebook. as convenient as that would be.</p></div>
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<tokenext>even in the unlikely event that that law then will be passed by the parlament , we just need 50k signatures to get a public vote on it ( in a world with facebook , that will be very easy ) .I doubt that Facebook groups can influence politicians to change laws , gamers would have to make some public protests and form lobby groups like they did in Australia to change anything .
However , since Switzerland is the most peaceful nation on the world , I doubt that their people are very fond of street protests.I 'm not a Swiss though so I might be wrong about that , it 's just how I percieve them , being happy with their Government and all.Regardless , you ca n't * protest * on Facebook .
as convenient as that would be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>even in the unlikely event that that law then will be passed by the parlament, we just need 50k signatures to get a public vote on it (in a world with facebook, that will be very easy).I doubt that Facebook groups can influence politicians to change laws, gamers would have to make some public protests and form lobby groups like they did in Australia to change anything.
However, since Switzerland is the most peaceful nation on the world, I doubt that their people are very fond of street protests.I'm not a Swiss though so I might be wrong about that, it's just how I percieve them, being happy with their Government and all.Regardless, you can't *protest* on Facebook.
as convenient as that would be.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31565164</id>
	<title>Wrong</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1269259980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>paves the way for an outright ban on violent video games</p></div><p>You've got that entirely wrong - what's the matter with you people? It is a "violent games ban", ie a violent ban on games - any game. If you are seen to play a game or otherwise enjoying yourself in an inoffensive way, a 2.5 m (this being a metric country) tall Schwarzenegger-shaped bloke will jump out from behind a bush, yelling "I'll rip your *&amp;~#&amp;&pound;$&amp;-ing head off, swine. Vot you zink your doing?".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>paves the way for an outright ban on violent video gamesYou 've got that entirely wrong - what 's the matter with you people ?
It is a " violent games ban " , ie a violent ban on games - any game .
If you are seen to play a game or otherwise enjoying yourself in an inoffensive way , a 2.5 m ( this being a metric country ) tall Schwarzenegger-shaped bloke will jump out from behind a bush , yelling " I 'll rip your * &amp; ~ # &amp;   $ &amp;-ing head off , swine .
Vot you zink your doing ?
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>paves the way for an outright ban on violent video gamesYou've got that entirely wrong - what's the matter with you people?
It is a "violent games ban", ie a violent ban on games - any game.
If you are seen to play a game or otherwise enjoying yourself in an inoffensive way, a 2.5 m (this being a metric country) tall Schwarzenegger-shaped bloke will jump out from behind a bush, yelling "I'll rip your *&amp;~#&amp;£$&amp;-ing head off, swine.
Vot you zink your doing?
".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558486</id>
	<title>Wonderful!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269195900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Good to know there's a country out there that can effectively protect its citizens from the real world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to know there 's a country out there that can effectively protect its citizens from the real world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Good to know there's a country out there that can effectively protect its citizens from the real world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558784</id>
	<title>Surprised?</title>
	<author>horai</author>
	<datestamp>1269198660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What more can one expect from a country who's main claims to fame are dodgy bank accounts and the sodding cuckoo clock.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What more can one expect from a country who 's main claims to fame are dodgy bank accounts and the sodding cuckoo clock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What more can one expect from a country who's main claims to fame are dodgy bank accounts and the sodding cuckoo clock.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Population density...</title>
	<author>AmazingRuss</author>
	<datestamp>1269170820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and freedom are inversely proportional.  As the population increases, freedom must give way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and freedom are inversely proportional .
As the population increases , freedom must give way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and freedom are inversely proportional.
As the population increases, freedom must give way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561422</id>
	<title>Does It Start With Chess?</title>
	<author>oakwine</author>
	<datestamp>1269175140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chess began as a symbolic war game. The pawns were swordsmen, the knights were knights, the rooks were war elephants, etc. The same principle might apply to other board games with opposing sides, such as checkers.

PC and Console Games, anybody's guess really as to how the legislation will be written in each country. The clash between market demand as fulfilled by game developers and the perceived need for protecting the mental health of children has led to this crisis, which may turn into a growing international crisis all too soon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chess began as a symbolic war game .
The pawns were swordsmen , the knights were knights , the rooks were war elephants , etc .
The same principle might apply to other board games with opposing sides , such as checkers .
PC and Console Games , anybody 's guess really as to how the legislation will be written in each country .
The clash between market demand as fulfilled by game developers and the perceived need for protecting the mental health of children has led to this crisis , which may turn into a growing international crisis all too soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chess began as a symbolic war game.
The pawns were swordsmen, the knights were knights, the rooks were war elephants, etc.
The same principle might apply to other board games with opposing sides, such as checkers.
PC and Console Games, anybody's guess really as to how the legislation will be written in each country.
The clash between market demand as fulfilled by game developers and the perceived need for protecting the mental health of children has led to this crisis, which may turn into a growing international crisis all too soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31577326</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269261240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know what? Fuck Slashdot. Every time something comes up, someone has to find a way to use that goddammned N-word as an example, no matter how disparate the topic. Fuck all of you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what ?
Fuck Slashdot .
Every time something comes up , someone has to find a way to use that goddammned N-word as an example , no matter how disparate the topic .
Fuck all of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what?
Fuck Slashdot.
Every time something comes up, someone has to find a way to use that goddammned N-word as an example, no matter how disparate the topic.
Fuck all of you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558424</id>
	<title>This is how I imagine...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269195420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>gaming on Futurama's Neutral Planet would be.</p><p>"Banned for not being Neutral enough."</p><p>"I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they stand, but with neutrals - who knows. It sickens me."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>gaming on Futurama 's Neutral Planet would be .
" Banned for not being Neutral enough .
" " I hate these filthy neutrals , Kif !
With enemies , you know where they stand , but with neutrals - who knows .
It sickens me .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gaming on Futurama's Neutral Planet would be.
"Banned for not being Neutral enough.
""I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif!
With enemies, you know where they stand, but with neutrals - who knows.
It sickens me.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564010</id>
	<title>Useless</title>
	<author>nospam007</author>
	<datestamp>1269197220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>German and French Game-vendors are popping the champagne as we speak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>German and French Game-vendors are popping the champagne as we speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>German and French Game-vendors are popping the champagne as we speak.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558764</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269198540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control? Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons. Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets. This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games don't turn people into killers and yet are moronic, moralist rulers still press on with their attacks on our freedom.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I've been wondering for several years now how long this must go on before the average person realizes that it's a concerted effort.  Two or three sovereign nations adopting similar restrictions in similar timeframes is a coincidence.  Most of the Western world doing so within the same timespan of a few years indicates a common agenda.  It has to be at least significant enough to overcome nationalistic pride, "not invented here", and other factors that would tend to make any given nation <i>not</i> want to follow the lead of all the others.
<br> <br>
Only the public education system could produce such large numbers of people who fail to realize or fail to appreciate that a frighteningly small number of people strongly influence, control, and own the major governments and multinational corporations of the world.  Historically, small aristocratic elites have never cared about what was in the interests of the average person.  Why does anyone suppose they would start caring about that now with video games and the freedom to play the ones of your choice?
<br> <br>
What has already happened among the various states of the US is now happening with nations.  US states once had significant differences in terms of social norms and state laws.  If one state's restrictions really bothered you, you could move to another state that had different laws.  Now they all have the same drinking age, the same smoking age, similar speed limits, the same list of prohibited substances, etc.  The same thing is happening to nations.
<br> <br>
The tendency now is to gradually erode the diversity that exists among nations and turn them into uniform carbon copies of each other so you cannot "vote with your feet" for greater freedoms.  This is necessary for two reasons.  One, a highly visible counterexample might cause people to decide they won't accept arbitrary restrictions ("country X didn't ban Y, and they haven't had problems with it, so why do we ban Y?").  Two, a few nations that remain free countries would have significant economic (and other) advantages when competing with the ones that jump on the state-control bandwagon.  This is in fact one reason why the USA became a superpower in the first place.
<br> <br>
Both of those points would serve to undermine the notion that central management of daily life is a necessary function of modern states.  That's why so many nations are doing this at once.  It's quite obvious to me that it's more than coincidence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control ?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games , porn and free speech in general and they 're doing it for no logical reasons .
Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there were n't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets .
This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games do n't turn people into killers and yet are moronic , moralist rulers still press on with their attacks on our freedom .
I 've been wondering for several years now how long this must go on before the average person realizes that it 's a concerted effort .
Two or three sovereign nations adopting similar restrictions in similar timeframes is a coincidence .
Most of the Western world doing so within the same timespan of a few years indicates a common agenda .
It has to be at least significant enough to overcome nationalistic pride , " not invented here " , and other factors that would tend to make any given nation not want to follow the lead of all the others .
Only the public education system could produce such large numbers of people who fail to realize or fail to appreciate that a frighteningly small number of people strongly influence , control , and own the major governments and multinational corporations of the world .
Historically , small aristocratic elites have never cared about what was in the interests of the average person .
Why does anyone suppose they would start caring about that now with video games and the freedom to play the ones of your choice ?
What has already happened among the various states of the US is now happening with nations .
US states once had significant differences in terms of social norms and state laws .
If one state 's restrictions really bothered you , you could move to another state that had different laws .
Now they all have the same drinking age , the same smoking age , similar speed limits , the same list of prohibited substances , etc .
The same thing is happening to nations .
The tendency now is to gradually erode the diversity that exists among nations and turn them into uniform carbon copies of each other so you can not " vote with your feet " for greater freedoms .
This is necessary for two reasons .
One , a highly visible counterexample might cause people to decide they wo n't accept arbitrary restrictions ( " country X did n't ban Y , and they have n't had problems with it , so why do we ban Y ? " ) .
Two , a few nations that remain free countries would have significant economic ( and other ) advantages when competing with the ones that jump on the state-control bandwagon .
This is in fact one reason why the USA became a superpower in the first place .
Both of those points would serve to undermine the notion that central management of daily life is a necessary function of modern states .
That 's why so many nations are doing this at once .
It 's quite obvious to me that it 's more than coincidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.
Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.
This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games don't turn people into killers and yet are moronic, moralist rulers still press on with their attacks on our freedom.
I've been wondering for several years now how long this must go on before the average person realizes that it's a concerted effort.
Two or three sovereign nations adopting similar restrictions in similar timeframes is a coincidence.
Most of the Western world doing so within the same timespan of a few years indicates a common agenda.
It has to be at least significant enough to overcome nationalistic pride, "not invented here", and other factors that would tend to make any given nation not want to follow the lead of all the others.
Only the public education system could produce such large numbers of people who fail to realize or fail to appreciate that a frighteningly small number of people strongly influence, control, and own the major governments and multinational corporations of the world.
Historically, small aristocratic elites have never cared about what was in the interests of the average person.
Why does anyone suppose they would start caring about that now with video games and the freedom to play the ones of your choice?
What has already happened among the various states of the US is now happening with nations.
US states once had significant differences in terms of social norms and state laws.
If one state's restrictions really bothered you, you could move to another state that had different laws.
Now they all have the same drinking age, the same smoking age, similar speed limits, the same list of prohibited substances, etc.
The same thing is happening to nations.
The tendency now is to gradually erode the diversity that exists among nations and turn them into uniform carbon copies of each other so you cannot "vote with your feet" for greater freedoms.
This is necessary for two reasons.
One, a highly visible counterexample might cause people to decide they won't accept arbitrary restrictions ("country X didn't ban Y, and they haven't had problems with it, so why do we ban Y?").
Two, a few nations that remain free countries would have significant economic (and other) advantages when competing with the ones that jump on the state-control bandwagon.
This is in fact one reason why the USA became a superpower in the first place.
Both of those points would serve to undermine the notion that central management of daily life is a necessary function of modern states.
That's why so many nations are doing this at once.
It's quite obvious to me that it's more than coincidence.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564598</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>randyleepublic</author>
	<datestamp>1269250440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are absolutely correct in what you imply: there is a world-wide conspiracy!!
<br> <br>
Here's the good news: the identity of the Conspirators is an open secret.  We all know who they are, but, and this is the really good part: we don't have to prove it!  We don't have to 'uncover' anything.  All we have to do is make one simple change to our laws and, Bada Bing, the Conspirators are out of business.  What change?  Easy, outlaw fractional reserve banking.  If a bank gets caught with less than 100\% reserves, the entire board, and all the officers, should get automatic 20 year sentences without any parole.
<br> <br>
Of course, (well, it is "of course" if you spend even one hour studying how our monetary system works), that would mean that we would have to completely revamp our monetary system.  Oh golly gee!  Please read my sig - Douglas had this all figured out in the '20s.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are absolutely correct in what you imply : there is a world-wide conspiracy ! !
Here 's the good news : the identity of the Conspirators is an open secret .
We all know who they are , but , and this is the really good part : we do n't have to prove it !
We do n't have to 'uncover ' anything .
All we have to do is make one simple change to our laws and , Bada Bing , the Conspirators are out of business .
What change ?
Easy , outlaw fractional reserve banking .
If a bank gets caught with less than 100 \ % reserves , the entire board , and all the officers , should get automatic 20 year sentences without any parole .
Of course , ( well , it is " of course " if you spend even one hour studying how our monetary system works ) , that would mean that we would have to completely revamp our monetary system .
Oh golly gee !
Please read my sig - Douglas had this all figured out in the '20s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are absolutely correct in what you imply: there is a world-wide conspiracy!!
Here's the good news: the identity of the Conspirators is an open secret.
We all know who they are, but, and this is the really good part: we don't have to prove it!
We don't have to 'uncover' anything.
All we have to do is make one simple change to our laws and, Bada Bing, the Conspirators are out of business.
What change?
Easy, outlaw fractional reserve banking.
If a bank gets caught with less than 100\% reserves, the entire board, and all the officers, should get automatic 20 year sentences without any parole.
Of course, (well, it is "of course" if you spend even one hour studying how our monetary system works), that would mean that we would have to completely revamp our monetary system.
Oh golly gee!
Please read my sig - Douglas had this all figured out in the '20s.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558946</id>
	<title>Other end of the spectrum.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269199980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not in favor of censorship, but, I am also not in favor of 'forcing opinions' onto people regardless of the medium or method... what do I mean by that?<br> <br>

Let me try to give you a quick example. I have a friend that is incredibly obnoxiously loud in public, and he uses alot of profanity. I've had to distance myself from him because, while I do really enjoy his company, and he is a lifelong friend, from what I've been able to gather, he likes to pretend that he is like on one of the characters on several of the various sitcoms that he watches... For example we might go to a nice restaurant with you know, families with young children around, and he's still loudly talking about his sexual life or cussing about why such and such political candidate is useless, etc etc.... Yet, to him, if anyone would dare to ask him to keep it to himself, he would see it as censorship. He would see it as someone limiting, or placing restrictions on his 'personal freedom'.
<br> <br>
But to me this bleeds over the edge, when we are at a public area, his words are no longer 'private' over a certain decibel level / proximity to others.
<br> <br>
Contradictorily, if someone were to try to hand him some sort of religious tract on the streets, he would go brezerk- he would say 'how dare these @$\%^@#$ try to force their opinion on me!'  ---- and yet, he doesn't see what he does in public areas like restaurants as him forcing his opinion on others. (reread my very first sentence now and it should make sense in the way that I meant to express it.)-- In that sense, so many things we do are continually 'forcing' our opinions onto others. If I am in a good mood, and smiling, well... its contagious! Other people around me are cheered if I am cheerful, and thus, if it is my opinion that others around me should be happy, I am to some extent, at that period in time, 'forcing' my opinion onto them. Of course, people don't call this out because if they like what you're selling, they'll buy it.
<br> <br>
So, what does this have to do with violent video games?
<br> <br>
From my short lived experiences on this planet it would seem that so many humans enjoy the basest of activities- maybe not to physically participate from 1st hand, but, they certainly like to be observers of such. Sexuality, violence, oppression, strife, etc. These base qualities are used by various companies or people with agendas to trigger specific reactions from people. Usually for profit. (people on television using sexuality to sell automobiles, or people on ebay taking photos of their products in the hands of pulchritudinous females with few articles of clothing, etc.)
<br> <br>
I quit playing violent video games a few years ago. I don't "blame" (in the sense that I do not hold them personally accountable for my actions, I would not, for example, sue them, but I will most certainly say what I'm about to say) any of the companies that made the games for my behavior while I was playing them because, well... I was the one that chose to put it on my computer and spend hours at the keyboard. But how far does that go? I mean, in various states, if you sell someone a gun and they use that gun to commit a crime, you are liable for the crimes they commit while using them. Playing various violent games for me in the past most certainly inspired me to cherish far more violent thoughts in real life- unquestionably. But I am one of those people that prides myself on the fact that I can take alot of abuse from people in real life and still treat them with respect and restrain myself from lashing out at them- verbal or otherwise------- but we all know that there are many people that pride themselves on the opposite side of that- they take pride in the fact that they will not be 'walked on' by anyone else, but will most certainly lash out to prove that they are the big man in charge, etc.
<br> <br>
I remember I used to disdainfully ridicule the very idea that violent games could lead to violent behavior. It wasn't true in my experience, so obviously it must be false, right? But no... after man</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not in favor of censorship , but , I am also not in favor of 'forcing opinions ' onto people regardless of the medium or method... what do I mean by that ?
Let me try to give you a quick example .
I have a friend that is incredibly obnoxiously loud in public , and he uses alot of profanity .
I 've had to distance myself from him because , while I do really enjoy his company , and he is a lifelong friend , from what I 've been able to gather , he likes to pretend that he is like on one of the characters on several of the various sitcoms that he watches... For example we might go to a nice restaurant with you know , families with young children around , and he 's still loudly talking about his sexual life or cussing about why such and such political candidate is useless , etc etc.... Yet , to him , if anyone would dare to ask him to keep it to himself , he would see it as censorship .
He would see it as someone limiting , or placing restrictions on his 'personal freedom' .
But to me this bleeds over the edge , when we are at a public area , his words are no longer 'private ' over a certain decibel level / proximity to others .
Contradictorily , if someone were to try to hand him some sort of religious tract on the streets , he would go brezerk- he would say 'how dare these @ $ \ % ^ @ # $ try to force their opinion on me !
' ---- and yet , he does n't see what he does in public areas like restaurants as him forcing his opinion on others .
( reread my very first sentence now and it should make sense in the way that I meant to express it .
) -- In that sense , so many things we do are continually 'forcing ' our opinions onto others .
If I am in a good mood , and smiling , well... its contagious !
Other people around me are cheered if I am cheerful , and thus , if it is my opinion that others around me should be happy , I am to some extent , at that period in time , 'forcing ' my opinion onto them .
Of course , people do n't call this out because if they like what you 're selling , they 'll buy it .
So , what does this have to do with violent video games ?
From my short lived experiences on this planet it would seem that so many humans enjoy the basest of activities- maybe not to physically participate from 1st hand , but , they certainly like to be observers of such .
Sexuality , violence , oppression , strife , etc .
These base qualities are used by various companies or people with agendas to trigger specific reactions from people .
Usually for profit .
( people on television using sexuality to sell automobiles , or people on ebay taking photos of their products in the hands of pulchritudinous females with few articles of clothing , etc .
) I quit playing violent video games a few years ago .
I do n't " blame " ( in the sense that I do not hold them personally accountable for my actions , I would not , for example , sue them , but I will most certainly say what I 'm about to say ) any of the companies that made the games for my behavior while I was playing them because , well... I was the one that chose to put it on my computer and spend hours at the keyboard .
But how far does that go ?
I mean , in various states , if you sell someone a gun and they use that gun to commit a crime , you are liable for the crimes they commit while using them .
Playing various violent games for me in the past most certainly inspired me to cherish far more violent thoughts in real life- unquestionably .
But I am one of those people that prides myself on the fact that I can take alot of abuse from people in real life and still treat them with respect and restrain myself from lashing out at them- verbal or otherwise------- but we all know that there are many people that pride themselves on the opposite side of that- they take pride in the fact that they will not be 'walked on ' by anyone else , but will most certainly lash out to prove that they are the big man in charge , etc .
I remember I used to disdainfully ridicule the very idea that violent games could lead to violent behavior .
It was n't true in my experience , so obviously it must be false , right ?
But no... after man</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not in favor of censorship, but, I am also not in favor of 'forcing opinions' onto people regardless of the medium or method... what do I mean by that?
Let me try to give you a quick example.
I have a friend that is incredibly obnoxiously loud in public, and he uses alot of profanity.
I've had to distance myself from him because, while I do really enjoy his company, and he is a lifelong friend, from what I've been able to gather, he likes to pretend that he is like on one of the characters on several of the various sitcoms that he watches... For example we might go to a nice restaurant with you know, families with young children around, and he's still loudly talking about his sexual life or cussing about why such and such political candidate is useless, etc etc.... Yet, to him, if anyone would dare to ask him to keep it to himself, he would see it as censorship.
He would see it as someone limiting, or placing restrictions on his 'personal freedom'.
But to me this bleeds over the edge, when we are at a public area, his words are no longer 'private' over a certain decibel level / proximity to others.
Contradictorily, if someone were to try to hand him some sort of religious tract on the streets, he would go brezerk- he would say 'how dare these @$\%^@#$ try to force their opinion on me!
'  ---- and yet, he doesn't see what he does in public areas like restaurants as him forcing his opinion on others.
(reread my very first sentence now and it should make sense in the way that I meant to express it.
)-- In that sense, so many things we do are continually 'forcing' our opinions onto others.
If I am in a good mood, and smiling, well... its contagious!
Other people around me are cheered if I am cheerful, and thus, if it is my opinion that others around me should be happy, I am to some extent, at that period in time, 'forcing' my opinion onto them.
Of course, people don't call this out because if they like what you're selling, they'll buy it.
So, what does this have to do with violent video games?
From my short lived experiences on this planet it would seem that so many humans enjoy the basest of activities- maybe not to physically participate from 1st hand, but, they certainly like to be observers of such.
Sexuality, violence, oppression, strife, etc.
These base qualities are used by various companies or people with agendas to trigger specific reactions from people.
Usually for profit.
(people on television using sexuality to sell automobiles, or people on ebay taking photos of their products in the hands of pulchritudinous females with few articles of clothing, etc.
)
 
I quit playing violent video games a few years ago.
I don't "blame" (in the sense that I do not hold them personally accountable for my actions, I would not, for example, sue them, but I will most certainly say what I'm about to say) any of the companies that made the games for my behavior while I was playing them because, well... I was the one that chose to put it on my computer and spend hours at the keyboard.
But how far does that go?
I mean, in various states, if you sell someone a gun and they use that gun to commit a crime, you are liable for the crimes they commit while using them.
Playing various violent games for me in the past most certainly inspired me to cherish far more violent thoughts in real life- unquestionably.
But I am one of those people that prides myself on the fact that I can take alot of abuse from people in real life and still treat them with respect and restrain myself from lashing out at them- verbal or otherwise------- but we all know that there are many people that pride themselves on the opposite side of that- they take pride in the fact that they will not be 'walked on' by anyone else, but will most certainly lash out to prove that they are the big man in charge, etc.
I remember I used to disdainfully ridicule the very idea that violent games could lead to violent behavior.
It wasn't true in my experience, so obviously it must be false, right?
But no... after man</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560290</id>
	<title>Re:But how does this reflect poorly on America?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269166800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>America is full of fags and niggers.  You need no other proof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America is full of fags and niggers .
You need no other proof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America is full of fags and niggers.
You need no other proof.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558680</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1269197640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Free speech has been under attack almost from the moment it was invented (ie. Alien and Sedition Laws).  Politicians and bureaucrats despise freedom, they fear it.  Somehow the cowards and the tyrants always reach the top.</p><p>Well, it ain't too flippin' hard for Swiss gamers to get the games in.  As usual, these laws inconvenience only the average consumer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free speech has been under attack almost from the moment it was invented ( ie .
Alien and Sedition Laws ) .
Politicians and bureaucrats despise freedom , they fear it .
Somehow the cowards and the tyrants always reach the top.Well , it ai n't too flippin ' hard for Swiss gamers to get the games in .
As usual , these laws inconvenience only the average consumer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free speech has been under attack almost from the moment it was invented (ie.
Alien and Sedition Laws).
Politicians and bureaucrats despise freedom, they fear it.
Somehow the cowards and the tyrants always reach the top.Well, it ain't too flippin' hard for Swiss gamers to get the games in.
As usual, these laws inconvenience only the average consumer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558758</id>
	<title>Help!</title>
	<author>goruka</author>
	<datestamp>1269198480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought this could only happen in Venezuela, because Chavez was an evil dictator..<br>
<br>
<a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/2136257/Venezuela-Bans-Hostile-Videogames-and-Toys?from=rss" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/2136257/Venezuela-Bans-Hostile-Videogames-and-Toys?from=rss</a> [slashdot.org] <br>
<br>
I'm confused now..</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought this could only happen in Venezuela , because Chavez was an evil dictator. . http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/2136257/Venezuela-Bans-Hostile-Videogames-and-Toys ? from = rss [ slashdot.org ] I 'm confused now. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought this could only happen in Venezuela, because Chavez was an evil dictator..

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/2136257/Venezuela-Bans-Hostile-Videogames-and-Toys?from=rss [slashdot.org] 

I'm confused now..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560144</id>
	<title>Re:So let me get this straight</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1269165900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns, and the training to use them. And they're worried about <i>Doom</i>?</p></div><p>Yes, that's probably <i>why</i> they're worried.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns , and the training to use them .
And they 're worried about Doom ? Yes , that 's probably why they 're worried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns, and the training to use them.
And they're worried about Doom?Yes, that's probably why they're worried.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561114</id>
	<title>This matters?</title>
	<author>bpprice</author>
	<datestamp>1269172200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Grown people still play shoot-em-ups? Seriously? Simulated violence is considered fun, and there is nothing better to do?

That anybody over the age of 14 cares I find amazing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Grown people still play shoot-em-ups ?
Seriously ? Simulated violence is considered fun , and there is nothing better to do ?
That anybody over the age of 14 cares I find amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grown people still play shoot-em-ups?
Seriously? Simulated violence is considered fun, and there is nothing better to do?
That anybody over the age of 14 cares I find amazing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561866</id>
	<title>Re:A is not A anymore</title>
	<author>cbreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269178380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no law yet: <a href="http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Killer\_video\_games\_to\_be\_banned\_for\_youth.html?cid=8515042" title="swissinfo.ch" rel="nofollow">http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Killer\_video\_games\_to\_be\_banned\_for\_youth.html?cid=8515042</a> [swissinfo.ch] <p><div class="quote"><p>Both chambers of parliament have agreed to demand that cabinet draws up a draft law, despite opposition by Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no law yet : http : //www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Killer \ _video \ _games \ _to \ _be \ _banned \ _for \ _youth.html ? cid = 8515042 [ swissinfo.ch ] Both chambers of parliament have agreed to demand that cabinet draws up a draft law , despite opposition by Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no law yet: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Killer\_video\_games\_to\_be\_banned\_for\_youth.html?cid=8515042 [swissinfo.ch] Both chambers of parliament have agreed to demand that cabinet draws up a draft law, despite opposition by Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31562040</id>
	<title>Complete agreement</title>
	<author>Walt Dismal</author>
	<datestamp>1269179580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I completely agree with the Swiss; we have to stop such morally repugnant games. There's a horrible, violent game that involves killing your opponent's players with the goal of utterly crushing him. A good way to win it is by brutally murdering his key female player. This game engenders the spirit of war in children and teaches them to think carefully how to destroy others.<p>
That's why this terrible game called chess has to be banned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with the Swiss ; we have to stop such morally repugnant games .
There 's a horrible , violent game that involves killing your opponent 's players with the goal of utterly crushing him .
A good way to win it is by brutally murdering his key female player .
This game engenders the spirit of war in children and teaches them to think carefully how to destroy others .
That 's why this terrible game called chess has to be banned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with the Swiss; we have to stop such morally repugnant games.
There's a horrible, violent game that involves killing your opponent's players with the goal of utterly crushing him.
A good way to win it is by brutally murdering his key female player.
This game engenders the spirit of war in children and teaches them to think carefully how to destroy others.
That's why this terrible game called chess has to be banned.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558702</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>ThePangolino</author>
	<datestamp>1269197820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never forget it is all politic correctness. If they took such a decision it is more likely that they think there will be a sufficient amount of people to support them in it.
For most people, violence is just BAAaaad.
The point is that the average and very neutral Joe doesn't necessarily think nor has the same principles as the average anonymous coward on Slashdot does.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never forget it is all politic correctness .
If they took such a decision it is more likely that they think there will be a sufficient amount of people to support them in it .
For most people , violence is just BAAaaad .
The point is that the average and very neutral Joe does n't necessarily think nor has the same principles as the average anonymous coward on Slashdot does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never forget it is all politic correctness.
If they took such a decision it is more likely that they think there will be a sufficient amount of people to support them in it.
For most people, violence is just BAAaaad.
The point is that the average and very neutral Joe doesn't necessarily think nor has the same principles as the average anonymous coward on Slashdot does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560348</id>
	<title>Switzerland Passes Violent Games Ban</title>
	<author>Goondra</author>
	<datestamp>1269167160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good for Switzerland!<br>About time some morality was interjected into the present day culture.</p><p>Killing is bad.  Depicting killing as a game is bad.  Didn't your parents teach you that?  If not then now is the time to learn it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for Switzerland ! About time some morality was interjected into the present day culture.Killing is bad .
Depicting killing as a game is bad .
Did n't your parents teach you that ?
If not then now is the time to learn it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for Switzerland!About time some morality was interjected into the present day culture.Killing is bad.
Depicting killing as a game is bad.
Didn't your parents teach you that?
If not then now is the time to learn it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31567652</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269270900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I might be mistaken, but I thought there WERE a pile of studies that showed that violent video games (like violent movies, violent music, and any other form of media not happy-happy-sun-shiny-good) change absolutely nothing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I might be mistaken , but I thought there WERE a pile of studies that showed that violent video games ( like violent movies , violent music , and any other form of media not happy-happy-sun-shiny-good ) change absolutely nothing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might be mistaken, but I thought there WERE a pile of studies that showed that violent video games (like violent movies, violent music, and any other form of media not happy-happy-sun-shiny-good) change absolutely nothing...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559218</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anne Thwacks</author>
	<datestamp>1269202380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?</i> <p>
Nope: there is still plenty of freedom in Democratic Republic of Congo and no shortage of guns and violence (and the music is great too).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control ?
Nope : there is still plenty of freedom in Democratic Republic of Congo and no shortage of guns and violence ( and the music is great too ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?
Nope: there is still plenty of freedom in Democratic Republic of Congo and no shortage of guns and violence (and the music is great too).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560754</id>
	<title>No ban has yet been passed.</title>
	<author>de la mettrie</author>
	<datestamp>1269169980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary and TFA is inaccurate. As <a href="http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Killer\_video\_games\_to\_be\_banned\_for\_youth.html?cid=8515042" title="swissinfo.ch"> this Swissinfo article</a> [swissinfo.ch] explains, the Swiss parliament has not yet passed a law providing for a ban. They have passed a motion, which is a request that the government propose a bill that provides for a ban. Parliament must still discuss and vote on that proposed bill, and if it adopts that bill as a law, it will be made subject to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Switzerland" title="wikipedia.org">nationwide referendum</a> [wikipedia.org] if 50,000 voters request it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary and TFA is inaccurate .
As this Swissinfo article [ swissinfo.ch ] explains , the Swiss parliament has not yet passed a law providing for a ban .
They have passed a motion , which is a request that the government propose a bill that provides for a ban .
Parliament must still discuss and vote on that proposed bill , and if it adopts that bill as a law , it will be made subject to a nationwide referendum [ wikipedia.org ] if 50,000 voters request it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary and TFA is inaccurate.
As  this Swissinfo article [swissinfo.ch] explains, the Swiss parliament has not yet passed a law providing for a ban.
They have passed a motion, which is a request that the government propose a bill that provides for a ban.
Parliament must still discuss and vote on that proposed bill, and if it adopts that bill as a law, it will be made subject to a nationwide referendum [wikipedia.org] if 50,000 voters request it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559412</id>
	<title>Re:An empty gesture</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1269204120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fourth, it'd lead to all sorts of complications with European trade laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fourth , it 'd lead to all sorts of complications with European trade laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fourth, it'd lead to all sorts of complications with European trade laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559426</id>
	<title>Re:So let me get this straight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269204240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not to mention the fact that their country is mostly known for its knives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not to mention the fact that their country is mostly known for its knives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not to mention the fact that their country is mostly known for its knives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560568</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269168720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...his service rifle was propped up in the corner next to his Swatch collection.</p></div><p>That is the most horrifying thing I've ever heard! A Swatch <i>collection</i>? It's too late for him.<br>A month ago I started sewing, just to fix old work clothing, and now I've begun reupholstering things. Lime and teal look so good! No, NO!</p><p>Save yourself! Play violent video games, before it's too late<br><i>need</i> to sew drapes, cushions, make doyles, must color match. can't. resist. styles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...his service rifle was propped up in the corner next to his Swatch collection.That is the most horrifying thing I 've ever heard !
A Swatch collection ?
It 's too late for him.A month ago I started sewing , just to fix old work clothing , and now I 've begun reupholstering things .
Lime and teal look so good !
No , NO ! Save yourself !
Play violent video games , before it 's too lateneed to sew drapes , cushions , make doyles , must color match .
ca n't. resist .
styles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...his service rifle was propped up in the corner next to his Swatch collection.That is the most horrifying thing I've ever heard!
A Swatch collection?
It's too late for him.A month ago I started sewing, just to fix old work clothing, and now I've begun reupholstering things.
Lime and teal look so good!
No, NO!Save yourself!
Play violent video games, before it's too lateneed to sew drapes, cushions, make doyles, must color match.
can't. resist.
styles.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558968</id>
	<title>Re:But how does this reflect poorly on America?</title>
	<author>digitig</author>
	<datestamp>1269200160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's democracy in action. Don't like democracy when the vote doesn't go the way you like, then?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's democracy in action .
Do n't like democracy when the vote does n't go the way you like , then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's democracy in action.
Don't like democracy when the vote doesn't go the way you like, then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559144</id>
	<title>Not entirely correct</title>
	<author>Baki</author>
	<datestamp>1269201660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The government is against it.</p><p>The parliament however has approved two laws: one which forbids the sale of 18+ games to minors, and another one that forbids the sale of "violent" games completely.</p><p>How this doesn't mean yet that the laws come into effect just like that. Instead a lengthy process starts to sort out the details. I do not think it will really lead to a complete ban on violent games.</p><p>As the government has already pointed out, just to define and judge what a violent game is, a federal level authority would need to be institutionalized. This requires a change in the constitution, which won't happen overnight. Probably it will require a referendum.</p><p>The parliament doesn't really want to have both laws come into effect, but the goal is to get the discussion started at the political level (the political process here is slow and complicated, and it may take several years before something really happens).</p><p>Most likely outcome: they will recognize the european PEGI rating system and forbid sales of 18+ games to minors; it will take 1 or 2 years before it really comes into effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government is against it.The parliament however has approved two laws : one which forbids the sale of 18 + games to minors , and another one that forbids the sale of " violent " games completely.How this does n't mean yet that the laws come into effect just like that .
Instead a lengthy process starts to sort out the details .
I do not think it will really lead to a complete ban on violent games.As the government has already pointed out , just to define and judge what a violent game is , a federal level authority would need to be institutionalized .
This requires a change in the constitution , which wo n't happen overnight .
Probably it will require a referendum.The parliament does n't really want to have both laws come into effect , but the goal is to get the discussion started at the political level ( the political process here is slow and complicated , and it may take several years before something really happens ) .Most likely outcome : they will recognize the european PEGI rating system and forbid sales of 18 + games to minors ; it will take 1 or 2 years before it really comes into effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government is against it.The parliament however has approved two laws: one which forbids the sale of 18+ games to minors, and another one that forbids the sale of "violent" games completely.How this doesn't mean yet that the laws come into effect just like that.
Instead a lengthy process starts to sort out the details.
I do not think it will really lead to a complete ban on violent games.As the government has already pointed out, just to define and judge what a violent game is, a federal level authority would need to be institutionalized.
This requires a change in the constitution, which won't happen overnight.
Probably it will require a referendum.The parliament doesn't really want to have both laws come into effect, but the goal is to get the discussion started at the political level (the political process here is slow and complicated, and it may take several years before something really happens).Most likely outcome: they will recognize the european PEGI rating system and forbid sales of 18+ games to minors; it will take 1 or 2 years before it really comes into effect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561532</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269175980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have never ever seen a live tank yet and I've lived in Switzerland my whole life. They'd just damage the roads anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never ever seen a live tank yet and I 've lived in Switzerland my whole life .
They 'd just damage the roads anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never ever seen a live tank yet and I've lived in Switzerland my whole life.
They'd just damage the roads anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561710</id>
	<title>Re:there won't be ban</title>
	<author>cbreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269177360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not needed to convince the politicians, it's required to convince enough people to sign a referendum, and then enough people to vote against it on a national scale. But that's for when the law is actually written, before it is, no one can vote on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not needed to convince the politicians , it 's required to convince enough people to sign a referendum , and then enough people to vote against it on a national scale .
But that 's for when the law is actually written , before it is , no one can vote on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not needed to convince the politicians, it's required to convince enough people to sign a referendum, and then enough people to vote against it on a national scale.
But that's for when the law is actually written, before it is, no one can vote on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558616</id>
	<title>there won't be ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269197160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>don't worry, there was no law passed. what passed was a mandate to the gov to create a law. that law needs to be voted on if it comes (and nobody knows what form it will have anyway).</p><p>even in the unlikely event that that law then will be passed by the parlament, we just need 50k signatures to get a public vote on it (in a world with facebook, that will be very easy).</p><p>So no panic, this just just the healthy way a democracy works, everybody has his ideas, and in the end we can vote on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't worry , there was no law passed .
what passed was a mandate to the gov to create a law .
that law needs to be voted on if it comes ( and nobody knows what form it will have anyway ) .even in the unlikely event that that law then will be passed by the parlament , we just need 50k signatures to get a public vote on it ( in a world with facebook , that will be very easy ) .So no panic , this just just the healthy way a democracy works , everybody has his ideas , and in the end we can vote on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't worry, there was no law passed.
what passed was a mandate to the gov to create a law.
that law needs to be voted on if it comes (and nobody knows what form it will have anyway).even in the unlikely event that that law then will be passed by the parlament, we just need 50k signatures to get a public vote on it (in a world with facebook, that will be very easy).So no panic, this just just the healthy way a democracy works, everybody has his ideas, and in the end we can vote on them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560366</id>
	<title>Humans must not find a substitute for war</title>
	<author>nfc\_Death</author>
	<datestamp>1269167280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For the instant we do find a substitute for war (video games/vr games) the more aggressive and violent of us will no longer be interested, as much as they were, in killing each other. Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket how the angry aggressive war-mongering drinkers hated the chilled out potheads cause they didn't wanna fight anymore. Video Games are a real threat people, can you imagine if those young minds actually had a clearer idea of what war was really like?</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the instant we do find a substitute for war ( video games/vr games ) the more aggressive and violent of us will no longer be interested , as much as they were , in killing each other .
Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket how the angry aggressive war-mongering drinkers hated the chilled out potheads cause they did n't wan na fight anymore .
Video Games are a real threat people , can you imagine if those young minds actually had a clearer idea of what war was really like ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the instant we do find a substitute for war (video games/vr games) the more aggressive and violent of us will no longer be interested, as much as they were, in killing each other.
Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket how the angry aggressive war-mongering drinkers hated the chilled out potheads cause they didn't wanna fight anymore.
Video Games are a real threat people, can you imagine if those young minds actually had a clearer idea of what war was really like?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559274</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269202980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree completely, and I've been thinking on this for a while.  For example, (not to pick an inflammatory topic, but it's the first one that came to mind) is it right to call a black person a nigger?  No, it's not, and I don't.  Does that mean that use of the word should be legislated?  Absolutely not.  I do, and should, have the right to be an anti-social asshole and use whatever slurs I want.  It doesn't mean that the behavior is socially acceptable, and it doesn't make it "right", but we've long ago crossed the line where the government has been legislating morality and it needs to be halted and rolled back.  It is extremely prevalent in all cultures and it is both frightening and sad.  From legislating the morality of marriage, to the publishing of porn, suicide, "illicit" drugs,  what kind of video games I can purchase - a government has no business legislating anything that does not directly harm others, and "hurt feelings" or a different kind of high do not qualify as direct harm.  I should be able to smoke pot just as I can drink tequila.  I should be able to look at any porn (excluding "true" child porn) that I want.  I should be able to choose any partner I want - I don't think the state should be involved in marriage at all.</p><p>I do not think a future where everyone is protected from every possible harm, insult, self inflicted damage is a good future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely , and I 've been thinking on this for a while .
For example , ( not to pick an inflammatory topic , but it 's the first one that came to mind ) is it right to call a black person a nigger ?
No , it 's not , and I do n't .
Does that mean that use of the word should be legislated ?
Absolutely not .
I do , and should , have the right to be an anti-social asshole and use whatever slurs I want .
It does n't mean that the behavior is socially acceptable , and it does n't make it " right " , but we 've long ago crossed the line where the government has been legislating morality and it needs to be halted and rolled back .
It is extremely prevalent in all cultures and it is both frightening and sad .
From legislating the morality of marriage , to the publishing of porn , suicide , " illicit " drugs , what kind of video games I can purchase - a government has no business legislating anything that does not directly harm others , and " hurt feelings " or a different kind of high do not qualify as direct harm .
I should be able to smoke pot just as I can drink tequila .
I should be able to look at any porn ( excluding " true " child porn ) that I want .
I should be able to choose any partner I want - I do n't think the state should be involved in marriage at all.I do not think a future where everyone is protected from every possible harm , insult , self inflicted damage is a good future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely, and I've been thinking on this for a while.
For example, (not to pick an inflammatory topic, but it's the first one that came to mind) is it right to call a black person a nigger?
No, it's not, and I don't.
Does that mean that use of the word should be legislated?
Absolutely not.
I do, and should, have the right to be an anti-social asshole and use whatever slurs I want.
It doesn't mean that the behavior is socially acceptable, and it doesn't make it "right", but we've long ago crossed the line where the government has been legislating morality and it needs to be halted and rolled back.
It is extremely prevalent in all cultures and it is both frightening and sad.
From legislating the morality of marriage, to the publishing of porn, suicide, "illicit" drugs,  what kind of video games I can purchase - a government has no business legislating anything that does not directly harm others, and "hurt feelings" or a different kind of high do not qualify as direct harm.
I should be able to smoke pot just as I can drink tequila.
I should be able to look at any porn (excluding "true" child porn) that I want.
I should be able to choose any partner I want - I don't think the state should be involved in marriage at all.I do not think a future where everyone is protected from every possible harm, insult, self inflicted damage is a good future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560122</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>jesset77</author>
	<datestamp>1269165660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Every male 18 to 40ish is required to serve in their military. It's not unusual to see tanks rolling down the street<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>It sounds to me as though they might be banning violent games.. not to curb violent behaviors.. but to prevent "tomorrows soldiers" from turning into couch potatoes.</p><p>After all, the Swiss Army should be known for something more than MacGuyver's dweeby pocketknife xD</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every male 18 to 40ish is required to serve in their military .
It 's not unusual to see tanks rolling down the street ...It sounds to me as though they might be banning violent games.. not to curb violent behaviors.. but to prevent " tomorrows soldiers " from turning into couch potatoes.After all , the Swiss Army should be known for something more than MacGuyver 's dweeby pocketknife xD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every male 18 to 40ish is required to serve in their military.
It's not unusual to see tanks rolling down the street ...It sounds to me as though they might be banning violent games.. not to curb violent behaviors.. but to prevent "tomorrows soldiers" from turning into couch potatoes.After all, the Swiss Army should be known for something more than MacGuyver's dweeby pocketknife xD
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558446</id>
	<title>But how does this reflect poorly on America?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269195540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There must be a good reason for this since it was done in a socialist paradise.  The real question is: how does this show that Americans are culturally backwards compared to their European counterparts?</p><p>What a confusing Slashdot story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There must be a good reason for this since it was done in a socialist paradise .
The real question is : how does this show that Americans are culturally backwards compared to their European counterparts ? What a confusing Slashdot story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There must be a good reason for this since it was done in a socialist paradise.
The real question is: how does this show that Americans are culturally backwards compared to their European counterparts?What a confusing Slashdot story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559722</id>
	<title>Re:An empty gesture</title>
	<author>feepness</author>
	<datestamp>1269163080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And third, anyone who was still waiting for an excuse to pirate games in Switzerland now has it, and quite frankly, more power to them.</p></div><p>More power to them because it's somehow better than paying?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And third , anyone who was still waiting for an excuse to pirate games in Switzerland now has it , and quite frankly , more power to them.More power to them because it 's somehow better than paying ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And third, anyone who was still waiting for an excuse to pirate games in Switzerland now has it, and quite frankly, more power to them.More power to them because it's somehow better than paying?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564176</id>
	<title>Re:there won't be ban</title>
	<author>Corbets</author>
	<datestamp>1269199920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you for being the only post I've seen here to actually point out that the article is BS. I've seen this floating around Facebook and other sources, and everyone seems to be (wilfully?) misinterpreting this as a violent games ban. It is not. It is the first step in developing such a bill, true, but nothing more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for being the only post I 've seen here to actually point out that the article is BS .
I 've seen this floating around Facebook and other sources , and everyone seems to be ( wilfully ?
) misinterpreting this as a violent games ban .
It is not .
It is the first step in developing such a bill , true , but nothing more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for being the only post I've seen here to actually point out that the article is BS.
I've seen this floating around Facebook and other sources, and everyone seems to be (wilfully?
) misinterpreting this as a violent games ban.
It is not.
It is the first step in developing such a bill, true, but nothing more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564688</id>
	<title>Finally !</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1269252000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now is a good justification for piracy !</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now is a good justification for piracy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now is a good justification for piracy !</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560612</id>
	<title>The Swiss were against fighting *real* Nazis...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269168960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... so it's no surprise they don't even want to fight virtual ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... so it 's no surprise they do n't even want to fight virtual ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... so it's no surprise they don't even want to fight virtual ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31562982</id>
	<title>Re:So let me get this straight</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1269186900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns, and the training to use them. And they're worried about Doom?</p></div><p>Some one mod this guy up!!! Common sense has gone to the dogs. If your citizens are so well armed and can't separate fantasy from reality or are liable to become violent playing computer games you have a MASSIVE problem and banning games ain't gonna solve it!!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns , and the training to use them .
And they 're worried about Doom ? Some one mod this guy up ! ! !
Common sense has gone to the dogs .
If your citizens are so well armed and ca n't separate fantasy from reality or are liable to become violent playing computer games you have a MASSIVE problem and banning games ai n't gon na solve it ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a country where most citizens have ready access to real militarily useful guns, and the training to use them.
And they're worried about Doom?Some one mod this guy up!!!
Common sense has gone to the dogs.
If your citizens are so well armed and can't separate fantasy from reality or are liable to become violent playing computer games you have a MASSIVE problem and banning games ain't gonna solve it!!
!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558404</id>
	<title>Your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269195180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.</p><p>INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.<br>You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.</p><p>CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER<br>Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat</p><p>HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.</p><p>FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.<br>Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.</p><p>MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.<br>Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger !
If handled properly , your apeman will give years of valuable , if reluctant , service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model .
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration , i.e .
chained together .
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it , and do n't even think about taking that chain off , ever .
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them .
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud .
House niggers work best as standalone units , but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape .
At this stage , your nigger can also be given a name .
Most owners use the same names over and over , since niggers become confused by too much data .
Rufus , Rastus , Remus , Toby , Carslisle , Carlton , Hey-You ! -Yes-you ! , Yeller , Blackstar , and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger .
If your nigger is a ho , it should be called Latrelle , L'Tanya , or Jemima .
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke .
Pearl , Blossom , and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes .
These names go straight over your nigger 's head , by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error , your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords .
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - " muh dick " being the most popular .
However , others make barking , yelping , yapping noises and appear to be in some pain , so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger 's tongue .
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least , you wo n't hear it complaining anywhere near as much .
Niggers have nothing interesting to say , anyway .
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons ( yours , mine , and that of women , not the nigger 's ) .
This is strongly recommended , and frankly , it 's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars .
Make sure , however , that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through .
The rule of thumb is , four niggers per square yard of cage .
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers .
You can site a nigger cage anywhere , even on soft ground .
Do n't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage .
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they 're not about to now .
In any case , your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape .
As long as the free food holds out , your nigger is living better than it did in Africa , so it will stay put .
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage , as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken , corn bread , and watermelon .
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly does n't deserve it .
Instead , feed it on porridge with salt , and creek water .
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields , other niggers , etc .
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat , but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day .
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer , since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives .
He reports he does n't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result .
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work , since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained .
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton .
You really would .
Coffee beans ?
Do n't ask .
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very , very averse to work of any kind .
The nigger 's most</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger!
If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model.
Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e.
chained together.
Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever.
Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them.
This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud.
House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape.
At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name.
Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data.
Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger.
If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima.
Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke.
Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes.
These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGEROwing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords.
Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular.
However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue.
Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much.
Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway.
Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's).
This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boatHOUSING YOUR NIGGER.Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars.
Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through.
The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage.
So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers.
You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground.
Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage.
Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now.
In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape.
As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put.
Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon.
You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it.
Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water.
Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc.
Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day.
Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives.
He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result.
You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained.
You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton.
You really would.
Coffee beans?
Don't ask.
You have no idea.MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind.
The nigger's most</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31567248</id>
	<title>Re:What are they going to charge pirates with,,,,</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1269269880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But surely they should be glad of violent video game pirates (and more generally, anyone who pirates banned material)? I mean, surely, by stealing all that material, they're causing the producers of such evil material to lose billions of dollars, and go out of business. If people pirate these things, no one will ever have any incentive to produce it!</p><p>(But no, sadly the piracy arguments don't seem to apply to censorship. In the UK, the new "extreme" pr0n law has already been used to <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/16/extreme\_pr0n\_convictions/" title="theregister.co.uk" rel="nofollow">go after people selling pirated DVDs</a> [theregister.co.uk].)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But surely they should be glad of violent video game pirates ( and more generally , anyone who pirates banned material ) ?
I mean , surely , by stealing all that material , they 're causing the producers of such evil material to lose billions of dollars , and go out of business .
If people pirate these things , no one will ever have any incentive to produce it !
( But no , sadly the piracy arguments do n't seem to apply to censorship .
In the UK , the new " extreme " pr0n law has already been used to go after people selling pirated DVDs [ theregister.co.uk ] .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But surely they should be glad of violent video game pirates (and more generally, anyone who pirates banned material)?
I mean, surely, by stealing all that material, they're causing the producers of such evil material to lose billions of dollars, and go out of business.
If people pirate these things, no one will ever have any incentive to produce it!
(But no, sadly the piracy arguments don't seem to apply to censorship.
In the UK, the new "extreme" pr0n law has already been used to go after people selling pirated DVDs [theregister.co.uk].
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561306</id>
	<title>Re:What is "violent" anyway?</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1269174000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You deserve many many modpoints!</p><p>All of this 'think of the children' stuff is aimed to censor the world at the expense of freedom for bad parents who didn't 'think of the children' before they decided to have a family that they aren't capable - or aren't willing to - look after. It's about giving lazy parents another break.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You deserve many many modpoints ! All of this 'think of the children ' stuff is aimed to censor the world at the expense of freedom for bad parents who did n't 'think of the children ' before they decided to have a family that they are n't capable - or are n't willing to - look after .
It 's about giving lazy parents another break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You deserve many many modpoints!All of this 'think of the children' stuff is aimed to censor the world at the expense of freedom for bad parents who didn't 'think of the children' before they decided to have a family that they aren't capable - or aren't willing to - look after.
It's about giving lazy parents another break.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558472</id>
	<title>Yay!  A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269195780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Boy, it sure is a good thing they wrapped up all the violence into small packages with nifty little stickers on them!  Whew, for a minute there, I was worried that I might actually see a "policeman" in that country, or find vulgar language on Youtube the next time I'm visiting there.  Goodness me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Boy , it sure is a good thing they wrapped up all the violence into small packages with nifty little stickers on them !
Whew , for a minute there , I was worried that I might actually see a " policeman " in that country , or find vulgar language on Youtube the next time I 'm visiting there .
Goodness me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boy, it sure is a good thing they wrapped up all the violence into small packages with nifty little stickers on them!
Whew, for a minute there, I was worried that I might actually see a "policeman" in that country, or find vulgar language on Youtube the next time I'm visiting there.
Goodness me...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31563376</id>
	<title>Re:This matters?</title>
	<author>bigstrat2003</author>
	<datestamp>1269190620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to break it to you, but just because you don't get off on violence doesn't mean you can't enjoy games that have violence in them, or even feel that violence is necessary in certain contexts. Just as a WW2 movie (unless it was solely focusing on the politics of the era) wouldn't make sense without some killing, so do certain kinds of games not make sense without some degree of violence.</p><p>That anybody over the age of 14 doesn't grasp this I find amazing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to break it to you , but just because you do n't get off on violence does n't mean you ca n't enjoy games that have violence in them , or even feel that violence is necessary in certain contexts .
Just as a WW2 movie ( unless it was solely focusing on the politics of the era ) would n't make sense without some killing , so do certain kinds of games not make sense without some degree of violence.That anybody over the age of 14 does n't grasp this I find amazing .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to break it to you, but just because you don't get off on violence doesn't mean you can't enjoy games that have violence in them, or even feel that violence is necessary in certain contexts.
Just as a WW2 movie (unless it was solely focusing on the politics of the era) wouldn't make sense without some killing, so do certain kinds of games not make sense without some degree of violence.That anybody over the age of 14 doesn't grasp this I find amazing.
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558688</id>
	<title>Define violent game ...</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1269197760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously pretty much any RTS is out of the question. War games as well. First Person Shooters. But what about other types of games?</p><p>Is it one where violence is the primary incentive or primary way to complete a game?<br>If so, where does that place a game like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief\_(series)" title="wikipedia.org">Thief: The Dark Project</a> [wikipedia.org], where violence runs counter to the spirit of the game?</p><p>Is it one where any kind of violence can take place?<br>If so, will that not eliminate any kind of racing game, where crashes are quite violent?</p><p>Is it one where you, as a player, can inflict damage to a humanoid character?<br>If so, what will that do to games like The Sims, where you can trap a character inside a house, letting them starve to death or set fire to the house?</p><p>What about sandbox games like Second Life, that doesn't have a specific purpose? I realise that quite a lot of people hate Second Life, but here it's a good example of a non-violent violent game. If you want it to be violent, it can be. If you don't want it to be, it won't be.</p><p>Is Mario a violent game? After all you need to kill off a lot of enemies to complete the game, or at the very least you have to avoid them killing you. Zelda? Sonic?</p><p>What about pure text based games, like Zork? Magic: The Gathering and other similar card-games that have expanded onto the computer?</p><p>Does chess count as a violent game? What about <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B232xdwKAxY" title="youtube.com">Battle Chess</a> [youtube.com]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously pretty much any RTS is out of the question .
War games as well .
First Person Shooters .
But what about other types of games ? Is it one where violence is the primary incentive or primary way to complete a game ? If so , where does that place a game like Thief : The Dark Project [ wikipedia.org ] , where violence runs counter to the spirit of the game ? Is it one where any kind of violence can take place ? If so , will that not eliminate any kind of racing game , where crashes are quite violent ? Is it one where you , as a player , can inflict damage to a humanoid character ? If so , what will that do to games like The Sims , where you can trap a character inside a house , letting them starve to death or set fire to the house ? What about sandbox games like Second Life , that does n't have a specific purpose ?
I realise that quite a lot of people hate Second Life , but here it 's a good example of a non-violent violent game .
If you want it to be violent , it can be .
If you do n't want it to be , it wo n't be.Is Mario a violent game ?
After all you need to kill off a lot of enemies to complete the game , or at the very least you have to avoid them killing you .
Zelda ? Sonic ? What about pure text based games , like Zork ?
Magic : The Gathering and other similar card-games that have expanded onto the computer ? Does chess count as a violent game ?
What about Battle Chess [ youtube.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously pretty much any RTS is out of the question.
War games as well.
First Person Shooters.
But what about other types of games?Is it one where violence is the primary incentive or primary way to complete a game?If so, where does that place a game like Thief: The Dark Project [wikipedia.org], where violence runs counter to the spirit of the game?Is it one where any kind of violence can take place?If so, will that not eliminate any kind of racing game, where crashes are quite violent?Is it one where you, as a player, can inflict damage to a humanoid character?If so, what will that do to games like The Sims, where you can trap a character inside a house, letting them starve to death or set fire to the house?What about sandbox games like Second Life, that doesn't have a specific purpose?
I realise that quite a lot of people hate Second Life, but here it's a good example of a non-violent violent game.
If you want it to be violent, it can be.
If you don't want it to be, it won't be.Is Mario a violent game?
After all you need to kill off a lot of enemies to complete the game, or at the very least you have to avoid them killing you.
Zelda? Sonic?What about pure text based games, like Zork?
Magic: The Gathering and other similar card-games that have expanded onto the computer?Does chess count as a violent game?
What about Battle Chess [youtube.com]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560598</id>
	<title>Re:What is "violent" anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269168900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a difference between violence without consequences (games, movies), and violence with consequences (police, criminals, art).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a difference between violence without consequences ( games , movies ) , and violence with consequences ( police , criminals , art ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a difference between violence without consequences (games, movies), and violence with consequences (police, criminals, art).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559572</id>
	<title>In other news</title>
	<author>hampton</author>
	<datestamp>1269205140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, piracy of violent video games in Switzerland is up 12000\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , piracy of violent video games in Switzerland is up 12000 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, piracy of violent video games in Switzerland is up 12000\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558832</id>
	<title>Hey, Rockstar!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1269199080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Grand Theft Auto - Zurich</p><p>Take control of young tough Friedrich Heinz Lykakok as he battles his way up the hierarchy of the illicit precision watch market, and eventually targets the trillions of secret dollars and Euros squirreled away in secret Swiss bank accounts. In between missions, tool around the streets and find a lovely little Swiss miss with whom to pass the time.</p><p>Pre-order now and get an unlock code for the Sig 550 rifle that shoots fine chocolate bullets. Carnage in the streets never tasted so sweet!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grand Theft Auto - ZurichTake control of young tough Friedrich Heinz Lykakok as he battles his way up the hierarchy of the illicit precision watch market , and eventually targets the trillions of secret dollars and Euros squirreled away in secret Swiss bank accounts .
In between missions , tool around the streets and find a lovely little Swiss miss with whom to pass the time.Pre-order now and get an unlock code for the Sig 550 rifle that shoots fine chocolate bullets .
Carnage in the streets never tasted so sweet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grand Theft Auto - ZurichTake control of young tough Friedrich Heinz Lykakok as he battles his way up the hierarchy of the illicit precision watch market, and eventually targets the trillions of secret dollars and Euros squirreled away in secret Swiss bank accounts.
In between missions, tool around the streets and find a lovely little Swiss miss with whom to pass the time.Pre-order now and get an unlock code for the Sig 550 rifle that shoots fine chocolate bullets.
Carnage in the streets never tasted so sweet!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560178</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1269166080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control? Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

No they aren't.  If you get that impression, it's from reading one-sided alarmist news items like this one.  Go back and read it, what does it actually saw?  Hardly anything.</p><blockquote><div><p> Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets. This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games don't turn people into killers</p></div></blockquote><p>

Your statement is so absurd it's hard to understand how you could believe it, or why people are responding in agreement to you.  Nobody has ever claimed every person who plays a violent video game will go out and kill somebody.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control ?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games , porn and free speech in general and they 're doing it for no logical reasons .
No they are n't .
If you get that impression , it 's from reading one-sided alarmist news items like this one .
Go back and read it , what does it actually saw ?
Hardly anything .
Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there were n't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets .
This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games do n't turn people into killers Your statement is so absurd it 's hard to understand how you could believe it , or why people are responding in agreement to you .
Nobody has ever claimed every person who plays a violent video game will go out and kill somebody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.
No they aren't.
If you get that impression, it's from reading one-sided alarmist news items like this one.
Go back and read it, what does it actually saw?
Hardly anything.
Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.
This is more than sufficient evidence to prove that violent games don't turn people into killers

Your statement is so absurd it's hard to understand how you could believe it, or why people are responding in agreement to you.
Nobody has ever claimed every person who plays a violent video game will go out and kill somebody.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559636</id>
	<title>Damn</title>
	<author>DannyO152</author>
	<datestamp>1269162420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There goes the whole franchised violent video games tourneys in Swiss minarets with the local bankers sending corroborating info to the IRS/DHS business model. Back to the drawing board.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There goes the whole franchised violent video games tourneys in Swiss minarets with the local bankers sending corroborating info to the IRS/DHS business model .
Back to the drawing board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There goes the whole franchised violent video games tourneys in Swiss minarets with the local bankers sending corroborating info to the IRS/DHS business model.
Back to the drawing board.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558690</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! A violence-free country!</title>
	<author>jpyeck</author>
	<datestamp>1269197760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sarcasm noted, however...<br> <br>
Having lived 2 years in Switzerland, their security is assured very proactively.  Every male 18 to 40ish is required to serve in their military.  It's not unusual to see tanks rolling down the street midday, on the way to training.  Soldiers are often seen on the trains in full uniform, with weapon, off to their weekend on-duty.  At a colleague's home, his service rifle was propped up in the corner next to his Swatch collection.  Police with automatic weapons are obvious on their patrols at the airport in Zurich.<br> <br>
The Swiss may be conservative, but afraid of violence, they are not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sarcasm noted , however.. . Having lived 2 years in Switzerland , their security is assured very proactively .
Every male 18 to 40ish is required to serve in their military .
It 's not unusual to see tanks rolling down the street midday , on the way to training .
Soldiers are often seen on the trains in full uniform , with weapon , off to their weekend on-duty .
At a colleague 's home , his service rifle was propped up in the corner next to his Swatch collection .
Police with automatic weapons are obvious on their patrols at the airport in Zurich .
The Swiss may be conservative , but afraid of violence , they are not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sarcasm noted, however... 
Having lived 2 years in Switzerland, their security is assured very proactively.
Every male 18 to 40ish is required to serve in their military.
It's not unusual to see tanks rolling down the street midday, on the way to training.
Soldiers are often seen on the trains in full uniform, with weapon, off to their weekend on-duty.
At a colleague's home, his service rifle was propped up in the corner next to his Swatch collection.
Police with automatic weapons are obvious on their patrols at the airport in Zurich.
The Swiss may be conservative, but afraid of violence, they are not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559384</id>
	<title>There goes my egress.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269204000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, blast. I was hoping to move to Switzerland when shit goes down in the States. Where am I going to go now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , blast .
I was hoping to move to Switzerland when shit goes down in the States .
Where am I going to go now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, blast.
I was hoping to move to Switzerland when shit goes down in the States.
Where am I going to go now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560120</id>
	<title>Pillow of Love version IV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269165660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take my BFP (BF pillow) 9000, pink bunnies.</p><p>Giggle!  It's so soft!  And I don't even have to aim it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take my BFP ( BF pillow ) 9000 , pink bunnies.Giggle !
It 's so soft !
And I do n't even have to aim it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take my BFP (BF pillow) 9000, pink bunnies.Giggle!
It's so soft!
And I don't even have to aim it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559730</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269163200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From one of the article's comments which sums things up nicely:</p><p>Bullshit.</p><p>This exact same parliament, AFTER the last general elections, DENIED similar legislation two years ago. There where TWO motions passed, one that asks for legislation that prohibits the sale of violent games to minors, and one that asks for legislation (DRAFT legislation) that imposes a complete ban, the last one being passed with a much smaller majority.<br>This does not main that the radical proposal will be accepted by the parliament.</p><p>And then there is something much more important: in Swiss, ANY new law can be vetoed by the people. You can demand a binding referendum if you get 100.000 support votes. So, 100.000 gamers sign an internet petition, and there will be a referendum. Only 30\% of the voting population has to show up to make the results legally binding. Gamers are going to vote for their hobby in massive numbers, meaning that even if this law is enacted, it will practically certainly be dead withing a month of it being accepted by parliament. IF it gets passed by parliament, that is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From one of the article 's comments which sums things up nicely : Bullshit.This exact same parliament , AFTER the last general elections , DENIED similar legislation two years ago .
There where TWO motions passed , one that asks for legislation that prohibits the sale of violent games to minors , and one that asks for legislation ( DRAFT legislation ) that imposes a complete ban , the last one being passed with a much smaller majority.This does not main that the radical proposal will be accepted by the parliament.And then there is something much more important : in Swiss , ANY new law can be vetoed by the people .
You can demand a binding referendum if you get 100.000 support votes .
So , 100.000 gamers sign an internet petition , and there will be a referendum .
Only 30 \ % of the voting population has to show up to make the results legally binding .
Gamers are going to vote for their hobby in massive numbers , meaning that even if this law is enacted , it will practically certainly be dead withing a month of it being accepted by parliament .
IF it gets passed by parliament , that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From one of the article's comments which sums things up nicely:Bullshit.This exact same parliament, AFTER the last general elections, DENIED similar legislation two years ago.
There where TWO motions passed, one that asks for legislation that prohibits the sale of violent games to minors, and one that asks for legislation (DRAFT legislation) that imposes a complete ban, the last one being passed with a much smaller majority.This does not main that the radical proposal will be accepted by the parliament.And then there is something much more important: in Swiss, ANY new law can be vetoed by the people.
You can demand a binding referendum if you get 100.000 support votes.
So, 100.000 gamers sign an internet petition, and there will be a referendum.
Only 30\% of the voting population has to show up to make the results legally binding.
Gamers are going to vote for their hobby in massive numbers, meaning that even if this law is enacted, it will practically certainly be dead withing a month of it being accepted by parliament.
IF it gets passed by parliament, that is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31559398</id>
	<title>TL;DR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269204060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TL;DR</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TL ; DR</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TL;DR</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558920</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1269199800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.</p></div></blockquote><p>Just wait for version three.  It'll employ direct leg input to control movement, i.e. it'll hook into an exercise bike or treadmill.</p><p>Violent gamer geeks is one thing.  Violent gamer geeks with a BMI of less than 45 is another.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there were n't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.Just wait for version three .
It 'll employ direct leg input to control movement , i.e .
it 'll hook into an exercise bike or treadmill.Violent gamer geeks is one thing .
Violent gamer geeks with a BMI of less than 45 is another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modern Warfare 2 sold 6.4million copies in the first week in the US and UK alone and yet there weren't 6.4million new mass murders on the streets.Just wait for version three.
It'll employ direct leg input to control movement, i.e.
it'll hook into an exercise bike or treadmill.Violent gamer geeks is one thing.
Violent gamer geeks with a BMI of less than 45 is another.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561264</id>
	<title>Swiss Guard anyone?</title>
	<author>st0rmshad0w</author>
	<datestamp>1269173340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't this strike anyone as a bit weird given the centuries of Swiss neutrality that was bought by supplying mercenary armies to whoever would pay? Including the Pope?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't this strike anyone as a bit weird given the centuries of Swiss neutrality that was bought by supplying mercenary armies to whoever would pay ?
Including the Pope ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't this strike anyone as a bit weird given the centuries of Swiss neutrality that was bought by supplying mercenary armies to whoever would pay?
Including the Pope?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560760</id>
	<title>Re:there won't be ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269170040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent up!</p><p>Don't drink the Slashdot kool-aid, try to understand our system first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up ! Do n't drink the Slashdot kool-aid , try to understand our system first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up!Don't drink the Slashdot kool-aid, try to understand our system first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31562972</id>
	<title>OK -- another way to make a living</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269186780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All of the laws restricting economic flows define black markets.</p><p>What are the penalties vs the demand ?  Do I have to stand on a street corner in a particular part of town ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All of the laws restricting economic flows define black markets.What are the penalties vs the demand ?
Do I have to stand on a street corner in a particular part of town ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of the laws restricting economic flows define black markets.What are the penalties vs the demand ?
Do I have to stand on a street corner in a particular part of town ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558458</id>
	<title>What are they going to charge pirates with,,,,</title>
	<author>voodoo cheesecake</author>
	<datestamp>1269195660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Possession with intent to distribute?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Possession with intent to distribute ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possession with intent to distribute?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558502</id>
	<title>Re:But how does this reflect poorly on America?</title>
	<author>Miseph</author>
	<datestamp>1269195960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;implying that anyone thinks everything in Europe is perfect</p><p>Just because somebody thinks some part of how a nation or culture operates is good, even better than how their own does it, doesn't mean they blanket agree with everything.</p><p>It's kind of like how Tea Partiers will claim to hate Bush, then praise every single thing he did and said... only in reverse.</p><p>Good effort, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; implying that anyone thinks everything in Europe is perfectJust because somebody thinks some part of how a nation or culture operates is good , even better than how their own does it , does n't mean they blanket agree with everything.It 's kind of like how Tea Partiers will claim to hate Bush , then praise every single thing he did and said... only in reverse.Good effort , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;implying that anyone thinks everything in Europe is perfectJust because somebody thinks some part of how a nation or culture operates is good, even better than how their own does it, doesn't mean they blanket agree with everything.It's kind of like how Tea Partiers will claim to hate Bush, then praise every single thing he did and said... only in reverse.Good effort, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558446</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31583142</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control? Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.</p></div><p>Lately, I'm often reminded of this proverb.</p><p>"Therefore in governing the people, the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their wills but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act."<br>- Tao Teh Ching</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control ?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games , porn and free speech in general and they 're doing it for no logical reasons.Lately , I 'm often reminded of this proverb .
" Therefore in governing the people , the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies , weakens their wills but strengthens their bones .
He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire , and ensures that the clever never dare to act .
" - Tao Teh Ching</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or is the entire world going into a period of reduced freedom and increased state control?
Every developed nation appears to be banning violent games, porn and free speech in general and they're doing it for no logical reasons.Lately, I'm often reminded of this proverb.
"Therefore in governing the people, the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their wills but strengthens their bones.
He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act.
"- Tao Teh Ching
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558416</id>
	<title>Australians..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269195240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did a certain</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did a certain</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did a certain</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564390</id>
	<title>Not the first stupid law...</title>
	<author>krouic</author>
	<datestamp>1269289740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Switzerland we have recently passed a law to protect animal rights. Theoretically, it is illegal now to buy a single aquarium fish, because it would be alone and depressed. Such animals have to be bought in couples.</p><p>The fact is, that the swiss parliament prefers passing law on non important matters, like animal rights or video games, that might receive a general agreement from the uninformed public, rather that being unpopular buy passing laws on more important but controvertial topics, like immigration, unemployment or social insurances.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Switzerland we have recently passed a law to protect animal rights .
Theoretically , it is illegal now to buy a single aquarium fish , because it would be alone and depressed .
Such animals have to be bought in couples.The fact is , that the swiss parliament prefers passing law on non important matters , like animal rights or video games , that might receive a general agreement from the uninformed public , rather that being unpopular buy passing laws on more important but controvertial topics , like immigration , unemployment or social insurances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Switzerland we have recently passed a law to protect animal rights.
Theoretically, it is illegal now to buy a single aquarium fish, because it would be alone and depressed.
Such animals have to be bought in couples.The fact is, that the swiss parliament prefers passing law on non important matters, like animal rights or video games, that might receive a general agreement from the uninformed public, rather that being unpopular buy passing laws on more important but controvertial topics, like immigration, unemployment or social insurances.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31564798</id>
	<title>Re:So let me get this straight</title>
	<author>bfandreas</author>
	<datestamp>1269253860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and all tunnels and bridges are rigged with explosives in case of invasion. And you can't be further than 50m away from the next sign taht points to the next shelter.

Folks, this is a law that has been passed and it's not gonna float. Same goes for the minaret thingie. Both will not hold water if they are tested in court. You may restart breathing now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and all tunnels and bridges are rigged with explosives in case of invasion .
And you ca n't be further than 50m away from the next sign taht points to the next shelter .
Folks , this is a law that has been passed and it 's not gon na float .
Same goes for the minaret thingie .
Both will not hold water if they are tested in court .
You may restart breathing now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and all tunnels and bridges are rigged with explosives in case of invasion.
And you can't be further than 50m away from the next sign taht points to the next shelter.
Folks, this is a law that has been passed and it's not gonna float.
Same goes for the minaret thingie.
Both will not hold water if they are tested in court.
You may restart breathing now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31560528</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1269168420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As you mentioned, its happened before, it will happen again. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As you mentioned , its happened before , it will happen again .
Just sit back and enjoy the ride .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As you mentioned, its happened before, it will happen again.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558506</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31558554</id>
	<title>Location</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269196500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't Switzerland in Europe? Whats to stop swiss gamers from driving to Germany, Italy or whatever and buying their games there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't Switzerland in Europe ?
Whats to stop swiss gamers from driving to Germany , Italy or whatever and buying their games there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't Switzerland in Europe?
Whats to stop swiss gamers from driving to Germany, Italy or whatever and buying their games there?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_21_1552221.31561894</id>
	<title>Re:What has gone wrong with the world?</title>
	<author>Mister\_Stoopid</author>
	<datestamp>1269178620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't a recent phenomenon, this is "just how it works".  Governments, over time, tend to increase their own power and take away the freedoms of the people they govern.  They can do this because humans, as a group, are easily scared into accepting almost anything.  People who like freedom will always, always, ALWAYS have to engage in violet uprising once every few years to maintain that freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't a recent phenomenon , this is " just how it works " .
Governments , over time , tend to increase their own power and take away the freedoms of the people they govern .
They can do this because humans , as a group , are easily scared into accepting almost anything .
People who like freedom will always , always , ALWAYS have to engage in violet uprising once every few years to maintain that freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't a recent phenomenon, this is "just how it works".
Governments, over time, tend to increase their own power and take away the freedoms of the people they govern.
They can do this because humans, as a group, are easily scared into accepting almost anything.
People who like freedom will always, always, ALWAYS have to engage in violet uprising once every few years to maintain that freedom.</sentencetext>
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