<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_19_1246215</id>
	<title>Opera Sees "Dramatic" Rise From Microsoft's Ballot</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1269005580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>TheReal\_sabret00the notes a TechRadar piece reporting that  <a href="http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/opera-dramatic-rise-since-microsoft-s-ballot-page-677758">Opera Software has seen a doubling from normal download numbers</a> on average since Microsoft's browser-choice screen lit up in Europe. The UK saw an 85\% increase and for other countries it was larger still: Poland 328\%, Spain 215\%, and Italy 202\%. Hakon Wium Lie, CTO of Opera Software, said "A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse."</htmltext>
<tokenext>TheReal \ _sabret00the notes a TechRadar piece reporting that Opera Software has seen a doubling from normal download numbers on average since Microsoft 's browser-choice screen lit up in Europe .
The UK saw an 85 \ % increase and for other countries it was larger still : Poland 328 \ % , Spain 215 \ % , and Italy 202 \ % .
Hakon Wium Lie , CTO of Opera Software , said " A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse .
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<sentencetext>TheReal\_sabret00the notes a TechRadar piece reporting that  Opera Software has seen a doubling from normal download numbers on average since Microsoft's browser-choice screen lit up in Europe.
The UK saw an 85\% increase and for other countries it was larger still: Poland 328\%, Spain 215\%, and Italy 202\%.
Hakon Wium Lie, CTO of Opera Software, said "A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31566124</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft Great Software?</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1269266880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product, but because it locking competitors out.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
IE works well enough for most people, so it doesn't really matter yo them whether it's great or not.
<br>
<br>
And it has always been simple enough to download an alternative to IE, if you can be bothered.  Again, though, it is a matter of absolutely no interest to the majority of computer users.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product , but because it locking competitors out .
IE works well enough for most people , so it does n't really matter yo them whether it 's great or not .
And it has always been simple enough to download an alternative to IE , if you can be bothered .
Again , though , it is a matter of absolutely no interest to the majority of computer users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product, but because it locking competitors out.
IE works well enough for most people, so it doesn't really matter yo them whether it's great or not.
And it has always been simple enough to download an alternative to IE, if you can be bothered.
Again, though, it is a matter of absolutely no interest to the majority of computer users.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31543164</id>
	<title>The FUTURE alright (of browser speed &amp; securit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268990700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"It's a Big Red O! There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling."</b> - by residieu (577863) on Friday March 19, @09:11AM (#31536574)</p></div><p>Per my subject-line above then &amp; what I quoted from you? How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY (not just "the future" either as you stated, but also consistently GREAT showings in the past, for BOTH better SPEED online AND SECURITY TOO)??</p><p><b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; <a href="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win" title="howtocreate.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win</a> [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"...</p><p>Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?</p><p>Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's a Big Red O !
There 's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling .
" - by residieu ( 577863 ) on Friday March 19 , @ 09 : 11AM ( # 31536574 ) Per my subject-line above then &amp; what I quoted from you ?
How about THESE # 's , over time , in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY ( not just " the future " either as you stated , but also consistently GREAT showings in the past , for BOTH better SPEED online AND SECURITY TOO ) ?
? IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , both YEARS ago - &gt; http : //www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html # win [ howtocreate.co.uk ] , and last year too - &gt; http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( AND , also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ...Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) - and features ? Opera 's got features most browsers need " bolted on " addons for , except Opera has them natively ( as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well , IF you need that kind of thing ( I really do not , it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking , script blocks or accepts BY SITE ( via its various .ini files it has ) too &amp; more , far more ) .APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's a Big Red O!
There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling.
" - by residieu (577863) on Friday March 19, @09:11AM (#31536574)Per my subject-line above then &amp; what I quoted from you?
How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY (not just "the future" either as you stated, but also consistently GREAT showings in the past, for BOTH better SPEED online AND SECURITY TOO)?
?IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"...Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537596</id>
	<title>Re:Frist ps0t</title>
	<author>Saint Gerbil</author>
	<datestamp>1269013980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The browser choice is shown in your current default browser.</p><p>Its worth noting that it doesnt work with most of the lesser known browsers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The browser choice is shown in your current default browser.Its worth noting that it doesnt work with most of the lesser known browsers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The browser choice is shown in your current default browser.Its worth noting that it doesnt work with most of the lesser known browsers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536574</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a Big Red O! There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling. It'll roll right over your lowercase blue e. It'll roll right over your rat clinging to the blue egg. It won't even acknowledge Safari, because it doesn't remember what its icon is. Beware the Big Red O! It's the Future!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a Big Red O !
There 's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling .
It 'll roll right over your lowercase blue e. It 'll roll right over your rat clinging to the blue egg .
It wo n't even acknowledge Safari , because it does n't remember what its icon is .
Beware the Big Red O !
It 's the Future !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a Big Red O!
There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling.
It'll roll right over your lowercase blue e. It'll roll right over your rat clinging to the blue egg.
It won't even acknowledge Safari, because it doesn't remember what its icon is.
Beware the Big Red O!
It's the Future!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535834</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542908</id>
	<title>Re:I still don't understand</title>
	<author>jaavaaguru</author>
	<datestamp>1268989560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good idea</p></div></blockquote><p>The Browser Ballet, featuring Waltz of the HTML rendering engine in D minor. Who wouldn't think it was a good idea<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good ideaThe Browser Ballet , featuring Waltz of the HTML rendering engine in D minor .
Who would n't think it was a good idea ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good ideaThe Browser Ballet, featuring Waltz of the HTML rendering engine in D minor.
Who wouldn't think it was a good idea ;-)
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535928</id>
	<title>Testing burden</title>
	<author>williamhb</author>
	<datestamp>1269009660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Presumably it will also raise web development testing costs in the short term, as organisations feel less happy to test "just on the big three" but might not be any happier to assume that browsers all produce the same output than they are today?  The long-term outlook might be more standards compliant pages, but the short term outlook might well be "Panic!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Presumably it will also raise web development testing costs in the short term , as organisations feel less happy to test " just on the big three " but might not be any happier to assume that browsers all produce the same output than they are today ?
The long-term outlook might be more standards compliant pages , but the short term outlook might well be " Panic !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Presumably it will also raise web development testing costs in the short term, as organisations feel less happy to test "just on the big three" but might not be any happier to assume that browsers all produce the same output than they are today?
The long-term outlook might be more standards compliant pages, but the short term outlook might well be "Panic!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537526</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269013800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't the Wii web browser already from Opera?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the Wii web browser already from Opera ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the Wii web browser already from Opera?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539842</id>
	<title>Its all relative ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, now Opera has grand total of around 400 or 500 users total, as opposed to the 6 people who actually used it before MS was forced to advertise them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , now Opera has grand total of around 400 or 500 users total , as opposed to the 6 people who actually used it before MS was forced to advertise them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, now Opera has grand total of around 400 or 500 users total, as opposed to the 6 people who actually used it before MS was forced to advertise them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536168</id>
	<title>some annoying bugs on 10.50</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269010260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's nice for opera but as a long time opera user i think they should improve pretty quickly their 10.50 desktop browser. it has more bugs compared to the far more stable 10.10</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's nice for opera but as a long time opera user i think they should improve pretty quickly their 10.50 desktop browser .
it has more bugs compared to the far more stable 10.10</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's nice for opera but as a long time opera user i think they should improve pretty quickly their 10.50 desktop browser.
it has more bugs compared to the far more stable 10.10</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542210</id>
	<title>Re:Homegrown popularity.</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1269029460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, do you have any idea how huge and diverse Europe is? Your comment just reeks og ignorance and bigotry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , do you have any idea how huge and diverse Europe is ?
Your comment just reeks og ignorance and bigotry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, do you have any idea how huge and diverse Europe is?
Your comment just reeks og ignorance and bigotry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31543724</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo?</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1268992860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The wii does not have a near monopoly of the game console market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The wii does not have a near monopoly of the game console market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The wii does not have a near monopoly of the game console market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536420</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>lowrydr310</author>
	<datestamp>1269010980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had completely forgotten about Opera, until the MS "browser choice" started making the mainstream headlines. <br> <br> I tried Opera a few years ago and quickly dumped it because of so many incompatibilities. Regular pages that looked fine in IE and Firefox were completely mangled in Opera, so I gave up and said never again.  I was also appalled that it wasn't free;  they wanted me to pay for it! (I got it as part of some special promotion where it was free) Why pay for a piece of crap when there were free browsers that rendered my pages correctly? <br> <br> I'm going to guess it's a combination of a new version and the ballot screen that are attracting more interest. Despite my past experiences, I'm willing to give it a try again and help it's 'dramatic rise.'</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had completely forgotten about Opera , until the MS " browser choice " started making the mainstream headlines .
I tried Opera a few years ago and quickly dumped it because of so many incompatibilities .
Regular pages that looked fine in IE and Firefox were completely mangled in Opera , so I gave up and said never again .
I was also appalled that it was n't free ; they wanted me to pay for it !
( I got it as part of some special promotion where it was free ) Why pay for a piece of crap when there were free browsers that rendered my pages correctly ?
I 'm going to guess it 's a combination of a new version and the ballot screen that are attracting more interest .
Despite my past experiences , I 'm willing to give it a try again and help it 's 'dramatic rise .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had completely forgotten about Opera, until the MS "browser choice" started making the mainstream headlines.
I tried Opera a few years ago and quickly dumped it because of so many incompatibilities.
Regular pages that looked fine in IE and Firefox were completely mangled in Opera, so I gave up and said never again.
I was also appalled that it wasn't free;  they wanted me to pay for it!
(I got it as part of some special promotion where it was free) Why pay for a piece of crap when there were free browsers that rendered my pages correctly?
I'm going to guess it's a combination of a new version and the ballot screen that are attracting more interest.
Despite my past experiences, I'm willing to give it a try again and help it's 'dramatic rise.
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31541302</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1269025620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm always curious as to what the hell people do on their websites that is so hard for them to get to work on all browsers.  I've never run into such problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm always curious as to what the hell people do on their websites that is so hard for them to get to work on all browsers .
I 've never run into such problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm always curious as to what the hell people do on their websites that is so hard for them to get to work on all browsers.
I've never run into such problems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535954</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>TSchut</author>
	<datestamp>1269009660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nice to meet you, dsavi. You can remove that comment now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice to meet you , dsavi .
You can remove that comment now : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice to meet you, dsavi.
You can remove that comment now :P</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31545204</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1268999460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing. Go ahead, look at market share in eastern Europe, and especially among people who use the Cyrillic alphabet. It seems that a LOT of people take Opera seriously.</p></div><p>While I doubt that anyone knows a definite answer to that, I've <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1330059&amp;cid=29000465" title="slashdot.org">made an guess</a> [slashdot.org] as to why it may be so, based on personal experience (as one of those guys using the Cyrillic alphabet...).</p><p>To sum it up briefly, it's because Opera was a viable, fast and feature-rich alternative to IE at the time when power users have already started looking for one, and before Firefox got rid of Mozilla's sluggishness.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera must be doing something right , that all the other browsers are missing .
Go ahead , look at market share in eastern Europe , and especially among people who use the Cyrillic alphabet .
It seems that a LOT of people take Opera seriously.While I doubt that anyone knows a definite answer to that , I 've made an guess [ slashdot.org ] as to why it may be so , based on personal experience ( as one of those guys using the Cyrillic alphabet... ) .To sum it up briefly , it 's because Opera was a viable , fast and feature-rich alternative to IE at the time when power users have already started looking for one , and before Firefox got rid of Mozilla 's sluggishness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing.
Go ahead, look at market share in eastern Europe, and especially among people who use the Cyrillic alphabet.
It seems that a LOT of people take Opera seriously.While I doubt that anyone knows a definite answer to that, I've made an guess [slashdot.org] as to why it may be so, based on personal experience (as one of those guys using the Cyrillic alphabet...).To sum it up briefly, it's because Opera was a viable, fast and feature-rich alternative to IE at the time when power users have already started looking for one, and before Firefox got rid of Mozilla's sluggishness.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536984</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31566066</id>
	<title>Re:Opera Mini</title>
	<author>Zebedeu</author>
	<datestamp>1269266640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.</p></div><p>Don't know if you tried this (sometimes it doesn't work), but before you launch Opera Mini if you can get to the application properties, sometimes it lets you disable the nag.</p><p>At least my old Sony Ericsson had that option, though it only allowed me to set it for signed applications (worked for Opera Mini).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.Do n't know if you tried this ( sometimes it does n't work ) , but before you launch Opera Mini if you can get to the application properties , sometimes it lets you disable the nag.At least my old Sony Ericsson had that option , though it only allowed me to set it for signed applications ( worked for Opera Mini ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.Don't know if you tried this (sometimes it doesn't work), but before you launch Opera Mini if you can get to the application properties, sometimes it lets you disable the nag.At least my old Sony Ericsson had that option, though it only allowed me to set it for signed applications (worked for Opera Mini).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542276</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1269029700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the numbers are specifically for ballot screen downloads. They are not just normal downloads. It's trivially easy to keep track of where downloads are coming from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the numbers are specifically for ballot screen downloads .
They are not just normal downloads .
It 's trivially easy to keep track of where downloads are coming from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the numbers are specifically for ballot screen downloads.
They are not just normal downloads.
It's trivially easy to keep track of where downloads are coming from.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535912</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542476</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1269030840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I was also appalled that it wasn't free; they wanted me to pay for it!</p></div></blockquote><p>
Oh no! A company needs to make money to survive! Evil capitalist pigs!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was also appalled that it was n't free ; they wanted me to pay for it !
Oh no !
A company needs to make money to survive !
Evil capitalist pigs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was also appalled that it wasn't free; they wanted me to pay for it!
Oh no!
A company needs to make money to survive!
Evil capitalist pigs!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537350</id>
	<title>Re:I still don't understand</title>
	<author>MadKeithV</author>
	<datestamp>1269013260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft is a *convicted monopoly abuser*. They are being forced to provide a fair alternative to Internet Explorer on installation to make sure they cannot continue unfairly leveraging the monopoly they have (as decided by a court) to make IE the dominant browser.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is a * convicted monopoly abuser * .
They are being forced to provide a fair alternative to Internet Explorer on installation to make sure they can not continue unfairly leveraging the monopoly they have ( as decided by a court ) to make IE the dominant browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is a *convicted monopoly abuser*.
They are being forced to provide a fair alternative to Internet Explorer on installation to make sure they cannot continue unfairly leveraging the monopoly they have (as decided by a court) to make IE the dominant browser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536236</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1269010440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's going to be a long time until the average web developer gets to "let's test on Opera!" Unless they have a rich customer using it that they happen to know about. Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90\% of web developers don't even do that, and that's what I (personally) consider the bare minimum.</p><p>Of course if you want to do the IE and Safari tests properly, you need a VM for each browser, since IE and Safari versions don't play nice alongside newer IE versions. And to get multiple Firefox versions you have to do a bit of user profile dickery, and even when you've done that it doesn't work quite 100\% right... so really, for "simplicity", we just use a VM for every browser except the most current.</p><p>To add to the confusion, you can't even test on older versions of Chrome even if you want to, because Google claims since Chrome auto-updates itself, it's literally impossible for someone to be running a year-old version-- yeah, right, Google! I'm sure angels will begin farting out software updates to modem users any day now!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's going to be a long time until the average web developer gets to " let 's test on Opera !
" Unless they have a rich customer using it that they happen to know about .
Right now , you 're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8 , Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I 'd guess 90 \ % of web developers do n't even do that , and that 's what I ( personally ) consider the bare minimum.Of course if you want to do the IE and Safari tests properly , you need a VM for each browser , since IE and Safari versions do n't play nice alongside newer IE versions .
And to get multiple Firefox versions you have to do a bit of user profile dickery , and even when you 've done that it does n't work quite 100 \ % right... so really , for " simplicity " , we just use a VM for every browser except the most current.To add to the confusion , you ca n't even test on older versions of Chrome even if you want to , because Google claims since Chrome auto-updates itself , it 's literally impossible for someone to be running a year-old version-- yeah , right , Google !
I 'm sure angels will begin farting out software updates to modem users any day now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's going to be a long time until the average web developer gets to "let's test on Opera!
" Unless they have a rich customer using it that they happen to know about.
Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90\% of web developers don't even do that, and that's what I (personally) consider the bare minimum.Of course if you want to do the IE and Safari tests properly, you need a VM for each browser, since IE and Safari versions don't play nice alongside newer IE versions.
And to get multiple Firefox versions you have to do a bit of user profile dickery, and even when you've done that it doesn't work quite 100\% right... so really, for "simplicity", we just use a VM for every browser except the most current.To add to the confusion, you can't even test on older versions of Chrome even if you want to, because Google claims since Chrome auto-updates itself, it's literally impossible for someone to be running a year-old version-- yeah, right, Google!
I'm sure angels will begin farting out software updates to modem users any day now!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536550</id>
	<title>Not too hard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they went from 100 downloads in Italy to 202?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they went from 100 downloads in Italy to 202 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they went from 100 downloads in Italy to 202?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536596</id>
	<title>I hope others improve too.</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1269011520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because if only Opera is seeing an increase due to this, it seems likely it is either because people like the name or people like the icon better.  Not liking either of those options if true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because if only Opera is seeing an increase due to this , it seems likely it is either because people like the name or people like the icon better .
Not liking either of those options if true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because if only Opera is seeing an increase due to this, it seems likely it is either because people like the name or people like the icon better.
Not liking either of those options if true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31564996</id>
	<title>Re:Big Three? You are not a web developer</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1269257460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers, the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Meanwhile, in the real world, most of us "degenerates" who have to use IE at work don't have the fucking chance to upgrade our browsers when we feel like it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers , the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software .
Meanwhile , in the real world , most of us " degenerates " who have to use IE at work do n't have the fucking chance to upgrade our browsers when we feel like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers, the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software.
Meanwhile, in the real world, most of us "degenerates" who have to use IE at work don't have the fucking chance to upgrade our browsers when we feel like it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540490</id>
	<title>W3C standards won't fly until IE won't comply?</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1269022500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think an unstated implicit goal of the W3C standard was to make it as incompatible with IE as possible. The problem these days with many standardization efforts is that the members want to invent new stuff rather than play their traditional role of codifying existing practice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think an unstated implicit goal of the W3C standard was to make it as incompatible with IE as possible .
The problem these days with many standardization efforts is that the members want to invent new stuff rather than play their traditional role of codifying existing practice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think an unstated implicit goal of the W3C standard was to make it as incompatible with IE as possible.
The problem these days with many standardization efforts is that the members want to invent new stuff rather than play their traditional role of codifying existing practice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536080</id>
	<title>Re:Woah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269010020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson\%27s\_rule</p><p>Statistics can be misleading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson \ % 27s \ _ruleStatistics can be misleading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson\%27s\_ruleStatistics can be misleading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31541334</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1269025740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is this flamebait?  He said that he had a bad experience with Opera, but his going to try it again.  Seems like a decent post.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this flamebait ?
He said that he had a bad experience with Opera , but his going to try it again .
Seems like a decent post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this flamebait?
He said that he had a bad experience with Opera, but his going to try it again.
Seems like a decent post.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542814</id>
	<title>OPERA PERIOD: For BOTH better security &amp; SPEED</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268989200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop. However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town."</b> - by rwa2 (4391) * on Friday March 19, @09:10AM (#31536546) Homepage</p></div><p>Well, then I'd have to say in response to that quote of yours above "Get on it man!", because you'll probably LOVE it...</p><p>(That is, <b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, is Opera 10.5.3315 (per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"... Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop .
However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it 's pretty much the only game in town .
" - by rwa2 ( 4391 ) * on Friday March 19 , @ 09 : 10AM ( # 31536546 ) HomepageWell , then I 'd have to say in response to that quote of yours above " Get on it man !
" , because you 'll probably LOVE it... ( That is , IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ... Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) .APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop.
However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town.
" - by rwa2 (4391) * on Friday March 19, @09:10AM (#31536546) HomepageWell, then I'd have to say in response to that quote of yours above "Get on it man!
", because you'll probably LOVE it...(That is, IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, is Opera 10.5.3315 (per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"... Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is).APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535902</id>
	<title>I like Opera the way it was</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better than the rest of the choices, but largely unknown. Tiny install and just as small a target for malware. And the stuff they are adding with unite and native widgets only makes it better. But lets try to keep it secret like Usenet so the malware authors keep attacking you idiots that use IE and firefox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better than the rest of the choices , but largely unknown .
Tiny install and just as small a target for malware .
And the stuff they are adding with unite and native widgets only makes it better .
But lets try to keep it secret like Usenet so the malware authors keep attacking you idiots that use IE and firefox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better than the rest of the choices, but largely unknown.
Tiny install and just as small a target for malware.
And the stuff they are adding with unite and native widgets only makes it better.
But lets try to keep it secret like Usenet so the malware authors keep attacking you idiots that use IE and firefox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540956</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>QRDeNameland</author>
	<datestamp>1269024240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a Big Red O! There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling. It'll roll right over your lowercase blue e. It'll roll right over your rat clinging to the blue egg. It won't even acknowledge Safari, because it doesn't remember what its icon is. Beware the Big Red O! It's the Future!</p></div><p>That just made me think of a great idea for ad campaign for Opera: Morpheus opens his hands to Neo with the Red 'O' in one hand and the Blue 'e' in the other.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a Big Red O !
There 's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling .
It 'll roll right over your lowercase blue e. It 'll roll right over your rat clinging to the blue egg .
It wo n't even acknowledge Safari , because it does n't remember what its icon is .
Beware the Big Red O !
It 's the Future ! That just made me think of a great idea for ad campaign for Opera : Morpheus opens his hands to Neo with the Red 'O ' in one hand and the Blue 'e ' in the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a Big Red O!
There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling.
It'll roll right over your lowercase blue e. It'll roll right over your rat clinging to the blue egg.
It won't even acknowledge Safari, because it doesn't remember what its icon is.
Beware the Big Red O!
It's the Future!That just made me think of a great idea for ad campaign for Opera: Morpheus opens his hands to Neo with the Red 'O' in one hand and the Blue 'e' in the other.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535976</id>
	<title>Homegrown popularity.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm pretty sure this is only because Opera is based in Norway.  Now that they see the choice, of course they'll pick Opera.  Hey, Opera is made in Europe, so why not use that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure this is only because Opera is based in Norway .
Now that they see the choice , of course they 'll pick Opera .
Hey , Opera is made in Europe , so why not use that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure this is only because Opera is based in Norway.
Now that they see the choice, of course they'll pick Opera.
Hey, Opera is made in Europe, so why not use that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538482</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>John Napkintosh</author>
	<datestamp>1269016020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but people are probably just trying them out just to try them out. Now that a lot of people suddenly see more options, they're going to give some or all of them a shot, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're converts, or that they'll do anything more than browse around for an hour or so to see what it's all about.</p><p>It would be more interesting to somehow correlate continued use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but people are probably just trying them out just to try them out .
Now that a lot of people suddenly see more options , they 're going to give some or all of them a shot , but that does n't necessarily mean they 're converts , or that they 'll do anything more than browse around for an hour or so to see what it 's all about.It would be more interesting to somehow correlate continued use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but people are probably just trying them out just to try them out.
Now that a lot of people suddenly see more options, they're going to give some or all of them a shot, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're converts, or that they'll do anything more than browse around for an hour or so to see what it's all about.It would be more interesting to somehow correlate continued use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536824</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1269012120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Starbucks are being anti-competitive when they sell sandwiches ?</p><p>What a fucked up world we live in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Starbucks are being anti-competitive when they sell sandwiches ? What a fucked up world we live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Starbucks are being anti-competitive when they sell sandwiches ?What a fucked up world we live in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31543222</id>
	<title>Opera RULES in SPEED ONLINE (&amp; security too)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268990880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing."</b> - by Runaway1956 (1322357) on Friday March 19, @09:27AM (#31536984) Homepage</p></div><p>They surely are: ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF BETTER ONLINE SPEED and SECURITY (consistently over time no less - see the url's below for verification no less):</p><p><b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; <a href="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win" title="howtocreate.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win</a> [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"...</p><p>Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?</p><p>Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Opera must be doing something right , that all the other browsers are missing .
" - by Runaway1956 ( 1322357 ) on Friday March 19 , @ 09 : 27AM ( # 31536984 ) HomepageThey surely are : ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF BETTER ONLINE SPEED and SECURITY ( consistently over time no less - see the url 's below for verification no less ) : IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , both YEARS ago - &gt; http : //www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html # win [ howtocreate.co.uk ] , and last year too - &gt; http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( AND , also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ...Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) - and features ? Opera 's got features most browsers need " bolted on " addons for , except Opera has them natively ( as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well , IF you need that kind of thing ( I really do not , it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking , script blocks or accepts BY SITE ( via its various .ini files it has ) too &amp; more , far more ) .APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing.
" - by Runaway1956 (1322357) on Friday March 19, @09:27AM (#31536984) HomepageThey surely are: ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF BETTER ONLINE SPEED and SECURITY (consistently over time no less - see the url's below for verification no less):IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"...Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536478</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The numbers don't mean too much not for the reason you mention (as others have pointed out, they probably correlate the IP address used for the download to the IP address's entry point and check the referrer for that hit) but because these are only downloads.</p><p>How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?</p><p>The only thing we can even remotely suggest is that if nothing else, the browser choice screen may have brought choice -awareness- to the masses more than any other effort has done so far.  That alone is a Good Thing(TM)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The numbers do n't mean too much not for the reason you mention ( as others have pointed out , they probably correlate the IP address used for the download to the IP address 's entry point and check the referrer for that hit ) but because these are only downloads.How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the " Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection " are actually going to -stick to- using Opera , rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen ? The only thing we can even remotely suggest is that if nothing else , the browser choice screen may have brought choice -awareness- to the masses more than any other effort has done so far .
That alone is a Good Thing ( TM )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The numbers don't mean too much not for the reason you mention (as others have pointed out, they probably correlate the IP address used for the download to the IP address's entry point and check the referrer for that hit) but because these are only downloads.How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?The only thing we can even remotely suggest is that if nothing else, the browser choice screen may have brought choice -awareness- to the masses more than any other effort has done so far.
That alone is a Good Thing(TM)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538044</id>
	<title>Big Three? You are not a web developer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269015060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, let me give you the reality of web development. You build it on firefox because it is simply the fucking best development browser. Then you give a brief test to Chrome/Opera, both of which have high quality dev environments as well (but firebug is just in a class of its own) and are typically fairly easy to debug. If you followed standards, then I rarely run into problems. Then, if you got a Mac, you test Safari. No problem there either usually.
</p><p>And then, having spend 1\% of you project time so far, you go to IE. IE6, IE7, IE8. All three are different.
</p><p>And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers, the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software.
</p><p>Oh and guess which browser is the least likely to work EVEN if you follow its own "standards"? And then there are the version differences...
</p><p>So no. Opera doesn't add any significant amount of testing. All of the 4 big other browsers (Firefox/Chrome/Safari/Opera) put together don't take a fraction of the time to debug that IE does.
</p><p>Why do you think web developers celebrated when Google recently decided that IE6 was no longer going to be directly supported?
</p><p>If Google were to put IE on a complete ban, then they could officially for ever change their motto to "do good".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , let me give you the reality of web development .
You build it on firefox because it is simply the fucking best development browser .
Then you give a brief test to Chrome/Opera , both of which have high quality dev environments as well ( but firebug is just in a class of its own ) and are typically fairly easy to debug .
If you followed standards , then I rarely run into problems .
Then , if you got a Mac , you test Safari .
No problem there either usually .
And then , having spend 1 \ % of you project time so far , you go to IE .
IE6 , IE7 , IE8 .
All three are different .
And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers , the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software .
Oh and guess which browser is the least likely to work EVEN if you follow its own " standards " ?
And then there are the version differences.. . So no .
Opera does n't add any significant amount of testing .
All of the 4 big other browsers ( Firefox/Chrome/Safari/Opera ) put together do n't take a fraction of the time to debug that IE does .
Why do you think web developers celebrated when Google recently decided that IE6 was no longer going to be directly supported ?
If Google were to put IE on a complete ban , then they could officially for ever change their motto to " do good " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, let me give you the reality of web development.
You build it on firefox because it is simply the fucking best development browser.
Then you give a brief test to Chrome/Opera, both of which have high quality dev environments as well (but firebug is just in a class of its own) and are typically fairly easy to debug.
If you followed standards, then I rarely run into problems.
Then, if you got a Mac, you test Safari.
No problem there either usually.
And then, having spend 1\% of you project time so far, you go to IE.
IE6, IE7, IE8.
All three are different.
And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers, the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software.
Oh and guess which browser is the least likely to work EVEN if you follow its own "standards"?
And then there are the version differences...
So no.
Opera doesn't add any significant amount of testing.
All of the 4 big other browsers (Firefox/Chrome/Safari/Opera) put together don't take a fraction of the time to debug that IE does.
Why do you think web developers celebrated when Google recently decided that IE6 was no longer going to be directly supported?
If Google were to put IE on a complete ban, then they could officially for ever change their motto to "do good".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538006</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269015000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm thinking it'll be a while since the Wii uses Opera as it's browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking it 'll be a while since the Wii uses Opera as it 's browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking it'll be a while since the Wii uses Opera as it's browser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536020</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well. Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen.</p><p>However, still nice to see people trying something different.</p></div><p>Considering that Opera had previously released, what, nine new versions and never seen a bump, I'd say it's pretty likely that the ballot was the causal factor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These numbers do n't mean too much , because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well .
Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version , and not by the ballot screen.However , still nice to see people trying something different.Considering that Opera had previously released , what , nine new versions and never seen a bump , I 'd say it 's pretty likely that the ballot was the causal factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well.
Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen.However, still nice to see people trying something different.Considering that Opera had previously released, what, nine new versions and never seen a bump, I'd say it's pretty likely that the ballot was the causal factor.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538720</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269016740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only because it was not winning by competing solely on its merits and had to go crying to the courts to get help. Unfortunently, I actually like Opera but will not use it simply for that reason. Johnnie has and I want, so I will go cry to mommy. Their suit did a grave disservice to computing in my opinion. An O/S manufacturer (or any manufaturer of any product) has the right to in clude and default whatever THEY and in THEIR product. We can choose to use or not. And this has nothing to do with like/dislike of MSFT nor with the quality of the product. In alot of respects, this is EC protectionism</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only because it was not winning by competing solely on its merits and had to go crying to the courts to get help .
Unfortunently , I actually like Opera but will not use it simply for that reason .
Johnnie has and I want , so I will go cry to mommy .
Their suit did a grave disservice to computing in my opinion .
An O/S manufacturer ( or any manufaturer of any product ) has the right to in clude and default whatever THEY and in THEIR product .
We can choose to use or not .
And this has nothing to do with like/dislike of MSFT nor with the quality of the product .
In alot of respects , this is EC protectionism</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only because it was not winning by competing solely on its merits and had to go crying to the courts to get help.
Unfortunently, I actually like Opera but will not use it simply for that reason.
Johnnie has and I want, so I will go cry to mommy.
Their suit did a grave disservice to computing in my opinion.
An O/S manufacturer (or any manufaturer of any product) has the right to in clude and default whatever THEY and in THEIR product.
We can choose to use or not.
And this has nothing to do with like/dislike of MSFT nor with the quality of the product.
In alot of respects, this is EC protectionism</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31551990</id>
	<title>"It's ridiculous."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269078840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you are.</p><p>Now go back to the office and sulk behind a closed door, Mr. Ballmer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you are.Now go back to the office and sulk behind a closed door , Mr. Ballmer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you are.Now go back to the office and sulk behind a closed door, Mr. Ballmer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536374</id>
	<title>Give me a break....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269010920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product. Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using.  Let's start the insanity...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to " promote the competition " in their own product .
Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using .
Let 's start the insanity.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.
Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using.
Let's start the insanity...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537700</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269014220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Of course if you want to do the IE and Safari tests properly, you need a VM for each browser, since IE and Safari versions don't play nice alongside newer IE versions."</p><p>I've had pretty good luck with this http://tredosoft.com/Multiple\_IE for IE.</p><p>YMMV tho.</p><p>Cheers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Of course if you want to do the IE and Safari tests properly , you need a VM for each browser , since IE and Safari versions do n't play nice alongside newer IE versions .
" I 've had pretty good luck with this http : //tredosoft.com/Multiple \ _IE for IE.YMMV tho.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Of course if you want to do the IE and Safari tests properly, you need a VM for each browser, since IE and Safari versions don't play nice alongside newer IE versions.
"I've had pretty good luck with this http://tredosoft.com/Multiple\_IE for IE.YMMV tho.Cheers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537198</id>
	<title>Right.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269012900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how many of them users are actually aware of what a browser is and what implications their choice has? Loads of people us the Internet daily, but if you were to ask them (the none techy ones) what browser they use, most of them wouldn't know or would say 'Windows'. Its folly to go forcing this screen on an audience that doesn't understand it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how many of them users are actually aware of what a browser is and what implications their choice has ?
Loads of people us the Internet daily , but if you were to ask them ( the none techy ones ) what browser they use , most of them would n't know or would say 'Windows' .
Its folly to go forcing this screen on an audience that does n't understand it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how many of them users are actually aware of what a browser is and what implications their choice has?
Loads of people us the Internet daily, but if you were to ask them (the none techy ones) what browser they use, most of them wouldn't know or would say 'Windows'.
Its folly to go forcing this screen on an audience that doesn't understand it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31545360</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>A Friendly Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1269000480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?</p></div><p>Opera has 12\% market share in Poland, which is almost double that of Safari and Chrome combined. No notable increases, despite the number of extra downloads, or they haven't been recorded yet in the stats.</p><p><a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-PL-monthly-200903-201003-bar" title="statcounter.com">http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-PL-monthly-200903-201003-bar</a> [statcounter.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the " Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection " are actually going to -stick to- using Opera , rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen ? Opera has 12 \ % market share in Poland , which is almost double that of Safari and Chrome combined .
No notable increases , despite the number of extra downloads , or they have n't been recorded yet in the stats.http : //gs.statcounter.com/ # browser-PL-monthly-200903-201003-bar [ statcounter.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?Opera has 12\% market share in Poland, which is almost double that of Safari and Chrome combined.
No notable increases, despite the number of extra downloads, or they haven't been recorded yet in the stats.http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-PL-monthly-200903-201003-bar [statcounter.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536972</id>
	<title>Re:an anti-swpat company doing well</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1269012420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PLUS Opera's Turbo mode is great for people with slow connections like Dialup or Cellular/wireless.  It makes the connection look about 5 times faster than it really is.</p><p>Opera's innovations remind me of how Mosaic (and later Netscape) innovated in the early 90s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PLUS Opera 's Turbo mode is great for people with slow connections like Dialup or Cellular/wireless .
It makes the connection look about 5 times faster than it really is.Opera 's innovations remind me of how Mosaic ( and later Netscape ) innovated in the early 90s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PLUS Opera's Turbo mode is great for people with slow connections like Dialup or Cellular/wireless.
It makes the connection look about 5 times faster than it really is.Opera's innovations remind me of how Mosaic (and later Netscape) innovated in the early 90s.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536628</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>Seth024</author>
	<datestamp>1269011640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because you can't use a monopoly in one area (OS) to gain a monopoly in another area (browers).
<br> <br>
Giving IE with every version of Windows breaks that law, because most people won't install another browser. The browser ballot screen is a solution that the European Parliament (?) and Microsoft both agreed to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you ca n't use a monopoly in one area ( OS ) to gain a monopoly in another area ( browers ) .
Giving IE with every version of Windows breaks that law , because most people wo n't install another browser .
The browser ballot screen is a solution that the European Parliament ( ?
) and Microsoft both agreed to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you can't use a monopoly in one area (OS) to gain a monopoly in another area (browers).
Giving IE with every version of Windows breaks that law, because most people won't install another browser.
The browser ballot screen is a solution that the European Parliament (?
) and Microsoft both agreed to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536364</id>
	<title>Re:Frist ps0t</title>
	<author>lordandmaker</author>
	<datestamp>1269010860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>During the latest (or a recent) Windows Update it presents itself, but only if you have no browsers other than IE installed. It also appears to do it pre-update on new (XP) builds since then, too.
<br> <br>
Amusingly, it's presented by IE, so you still have to click though the three or four pages of setting your IE8 preferences, and it doesn't replace. I'd understood IE was to be removed, but I wasn't really listening.</htmltext>
<tokenext>During the latest ( or a recent ) Windows Update it presents itself , but only if you have no browsers other than IE installed .
It also appears to do it pre-update on new ( XP ) builds since then , too .
Amusingly , it 's presented by IE , so you still have to click though the three or four pages of setting your IE8 preferences , and it does n't replace .
I 'd understood IE was to be removed , but I was n't really listening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During the latest (or a recent) Windows Update it presents itself, but only if you have no browsers other than IE installed.
It also appears to do it pre-update on new (XP) builds since then, too.
Amusingly, it's presented by IE, so you still have to click though the three or four pages of setting your IE8 preferences, and it doesn't replace.
I'd understood IE was to be removed, but I wasn't really listening.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536650</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>lw7av</author>
	<datestamp>1269011700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, still nice to see people trying something different.</p></div><p>Or maybe these "new" Opera users had only been exposed to a non-MS browser (Opera) on their phones and they are only discovering its availability on windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , still nice to see people trying something different.Or maybe these " new " Opera users had only been exposed to a non-MS browser ( Opera ) on their phones and they are only discovering its availability on windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, still nice to see people trying something different.Or maybe these "new" Opera users had only been exposed to a non-MS browser (Opera) on their phones and they are only discovering its availability on windows.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31541158</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>wideBlueSkies</author>
	<datestamp>1269024900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot to mention Google Chrome's <a href="http://www.flasharcade.com/puzzle-games/simon-says-game.html" title="flasharcade.com">Simon Says</a> [flasharcade.com] knockoff icon...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot to mention Google Chrome 's Simon Says [ flasharcade.com ] knockoff icon.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot to mention Google Chrome's Simon Says [flasharcade.com] knockoff icon...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31546072</id>
	<title>libportability in C vs. libportability in JS</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1269005280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>all OSes have files, can count time, probably can make you some random numbers, TCP sockets and so forth</p></div><p>You gloss over GUI toolkit differences in "and so forth".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Wrap the differences in libportability</p></div><p>What's the difference between wrapping the differences in libportability written in C vs. wrapping the differences in libportability written in JavaScript? You might as well go for the web because it allows deploying and updating with zero effort, even to PCs whose owner lets the user browse the web but doesn't let the user install software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>all OSes have files , can count time , probably can make you some random numbers , TCP sockets and so forthYou gloss over GUI toolkit differences in " and so forth " .Wrap the differences in libportabilityWhat 's the difference between wrapping the differences in libportability written in C vs. wrapping the differences in libportability written in JavaScript ?
You might as well go for the web because it allows deploying and updating with zero effort , even to PCs whose owner lets the user browse the web but does n't let the user install software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all OSes have files, can count time, probably can make you some random numbers, TCP sockets and so forthYou gloss over GUI toolkit differences in "and so forth".Wrap the differences in libportabilityWhat's the difference between wrapping the differences in libportability written in C vs. wrapping the differences in libportability written in JavaScript?
You might as well go for the web because it allows deploying and updating with zero effort, even to PCs whose owner lets the user browse the web but doesn't let the user install software.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536262</id>
	<title>Nintendo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269010560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>When will Opera go after Nintendo for only allowing one "3rd-party" browser on the Wii?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will Opera go after Nintendo for only allowing one " 3rd-party " browser on the Wii ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will Opera go after Nintendo for only allowing one "3rd-party" browser on the Wii?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538412</id>
	<title>Not noted in statistics</title>
	<author>Kotten</author>
	<datestamp>1269015900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When checking statistics (<a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-weekly-200827-201011" title="statcounter.com" rel="nofollow">http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-weekly-200827-201011</a> [statcounter.com]) I can not se that people are choosing different browser because of this ballot. Probably it is only causing that everybody is reinstalling whatever browser they have choosen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When checking statistics ( http : //gs.statcounter.com/ # browser-eu-weekly-200827-201011 [ statcounter.com ] ) I can not se that people are choosing different browser because of this ballot .
Probably it is only causing that everybody is reinstalling whatever browser they have choosen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When checking statistics (http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-weekly-200827-201011 [statcounter.com]) I can not se that people are choosing different browser because of this ballot.
Probably it is only causing that everybody is reinstalling whatever browser they have choosen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538224</id>
	<title>Re:Opera Mini</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1269015420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm also a fan of Opera Mini!  That said, on my Sony Ericsson c702 (provided by work), Opera Mini 5 beta works fine.  I still think I need to file a bug report or two regarding odd behaviour.</p><p>I think partially the problem is your phone with the issues you are having...  Never lost my shortcuts, standby works fine if I minimize the application (Multitasking on a phone... a novel idea for the iPhone fanbois) and the nagging for network access is simply a matter of setting "Always allow, never ask" or whatever the option was when it asked the first time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm also a fan of Opera Mini !
That said , on my Sony Ericsson c702 ( provided by work ) , Opera Mini 5 beta works fine .
I still think I need to file a bug report or two regarding odd behaviour.I think partially the problem is your phone with the issues you are having... Never lost my shortcuts , standby works fine if I minimize the application ( Multitasking on a phone... a novel idea for the iPhone fanbois ) and the nagging for network access is simply a matter of setting " Always allow , never ask " or whatever the option was when it asked the first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm also a fan of Opera Mini!
That said, on my Sony Ericsson c702 (provided by work), Opera Mini 5 beta works fine.
I still think I need to file a bug report or two regarding odd behaviour.I think partially the problem is your phone with the issues you are having...  Never lost my shortcuts, standby works fine if I minimize the application (Multitasking on a phone... a novel idea for the iPhone fanbois) and the nagging for network access is simply a matter of setting "Always allow, never ask" or whatever the option was when it asked the first time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536006</id>
	<title>Re:Woah</title>
	<author>kauttapiste</author>
	<datestamp>1269009840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hence the <i>"Dramatic"</i> in the headline!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hence the " Dramatic " in the headline !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hence the "Dramatic" in the headline!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31543346</id>
	<title>FF, Chrome, IE? Slow by comparison &amp; insecure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268991240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"We code for, and test against, IE 6+, FireFox 2+, Safari 3+, Chrome 4+ and Opera 9+. And it sucks.  With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards. Yeah, yeah, W3C documents are the 'drying paint' of the internet, but they are what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for. I think they all need new glasses.</b> -  by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Friday March 19, @08:55AM (#31536242)</p></div><p>Per my subject-line above then? How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY?? You spoke of needing glasses??? Take a read, about SECURITY &amp; SPEED (because perhaps you've been drinking from the wrong glass my man, in regards to your statement (I interpreted it as "Opera sucks" actually), &amp; perhaps you omitted reading these (or, you need diff. reading glasses):</p><p><b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; <a href="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win" title="howtocreate.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win</a> [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"...</p><p>Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?</p><p>Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more)... plus, features Opera has, other webbrowsers COPIED (tabbed browsing anyone?), like mad!</p><p>"Imitation IS the sincerest form of FLATTERY"... period!</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We code for , and test against , IE 6 + , FireFox 2 + , Safari 3 + , Chrome 4 + and Opera 9 + .
And it sucks .
With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward , I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards .
Yeah , yeah , W3C documents are the 'drying paint ' of the internet , but they are what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for .
I think they all need new glasses .
- by WrongSizeGlass ( 838941 ) on Friday March 19 , @ 08 : 55AM ( # 31536242 ) Per my subject-line above then ?
How about THESE # 's , over time , in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY ? ?
You spoke of needing glasses ? ? ?
Take a read , about SECURITY &amp; SPEED ( because perhaps you 've been drinking from the wrong glass my man , in regards to your statement ( I interpreted it as " Opera sucks " actually ) , &amp; perhaps you omitted reading these ( or , you need diff .
reading glasses ) : IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , both YEARS ago - &gt; http : //www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html # win [ howtocreate.co.uk ] , and last year too - &gt; http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( AND , also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ...Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) - and features ? Opera 's got features most browsers need " bolted on " addons for , except Opera has them natively ( as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well , IF you need that kind of thing ( I really do not , it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking , script blocks or accepts BY SITE ( via its various .ini files it has ) too &amp; more , far more ) ... plus , features Opera has , other webbrowsers COPIED ( tabbed browsing anyone ?
) , like mad !
" Imitation IS the sincerest form of FLATTERY " ... period ! APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We code for, and test against, IE 6+, FireFox 2+, Safari 3+, Chrome 4+ and Opera 9+.
And it sucks.
With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards.
Yeah, yeah, W3C documents are the 'drying paint' of the internet, but they are what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for.
I think they all need new glasses.
-  by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Friday March 19, @08:55AM (#31536242)Per my subject-line above then?
How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY??
You spoke of needing glasses???
Take a read, about SECURITY &amp; SPEED (because perhaps you've been drinking from the wrong glass my man, in regards to your statement (I interpreted it as "Opera sucks" actually), &amp; perhaps you omitted reading these (or, you need diff.
reading glasses):IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"...Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more)... plus, features Opera has, other webbrowsers COPIED (tabbed browsing anyone?
), like mad!
"Imitation IS the sincerest form of FLATTERY"... period!APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535874</id>
	<title>Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse"</i></p><p>Oh, no, they won't. I can assure you that the majority of webmasters test their sites in IE and some of them in Firefox (definitely not all of them). The rest of the browser are either assumed to be compatible with IE or Firefox or be rendered irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse " Oh , no , they wo n't .
I can assure you that the majority of webmasters test their sites in IE and some of them in Firefox ( definitely not all of them ) .
The rest of the browser are either assumed to be compatible with IE or Firefox or be rendered irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse"Oh, no, they won't.
I can assure you that the majority of webmasters test their sites in IE and some of them in Firefox (definitely not all of them).
The rest of the browser are either assumed to be compatible with IE or Firefox or be rendered irrelevant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536242</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>WrongSizeGlass</author>
	<datestamp>1269010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>We code for, and test against, IE 6+, FireFox 2+, Safari 3+, Chrome 4+ and Opera 9+. And it <b>sucks</b>. <br> <br>
With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards. Yeah, yeah, W3C documents are the 'drying paint' of the internet, but they <i>are</i> what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for. I think they all need new glasses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We code for , and test against , IE 6 + , FireFox 2 + , Safari 3 + , Chrome 4 + and Opera 9 + .
And it sucks .
With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward , I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards .
Yeah , yeah , W3C documents are the 'drying paint ' of the internet , but they are what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for .
I think they all need new glasses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We code for, and test against, IE 6+, FireFox 2+, Safari 3+, Chrome 4+ and Opera 9+.
And it sucks.
With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards.
Yeah, yeah, W3C documents are the 'drying paint' of the internet, but they are what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for.
I think they all need new glasses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536602</id>
	<title>Isn't that Web Purpose FAIL: less portability</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1269011580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90\% of web developers don't even do that, and that's what I (personally) consider the bare minimum.</p></div><p>I count that as <em>eight</em> different platforms (assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers).  How many desktop OSes are in use, discounting those used by less than 0.1\% of the market?  Windows, OS X, Linux, iPhone OS, and uhm... yeah?</p><p>So when you think about creating an application and you worry about porting it between different clients, the decision "let's make it a web app!  We'll have to test fewer platforms" runs <em>counter</em> to your purpose, right?  In other words: people have turned the web into something it wasn't meant to be---a portability nightmare.</p><p>Yeah, writing desktop apps exposes you to differences between OSes.  Okay, but all OSes have files, can count time, probably can make you some random numbers, TCP sockets and so forth: they do the same things but in slightly different ways.  Wrap the differences in libportability and get over it.</p><p>Maybe my attitude betrays my lack of coffee, but isn't it basically right?  You don't have worse portability for desktop applications than you do for web applications.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , you 're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8 , Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I 'd guess 90 \ % of web developers do n't even do that , and that 's what I ( personally ) consider the bare minimum.I count that as eight different platforms ( assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers ) .
How many desktop OSes are in use , discounting those used by less than 0.1 \ % of the market ?
Windows , OS X , Linux , iPhone OS , and uhm... yeah ? So when you think about creating an application and you worry about porting it between different clients , the decision " let 's make it a web app !
We 'll have to test fewer platforms " runs counter to your purpose , right ?
In other words : people have turned the web into something it was n't meant to be---a portability nightmare.Yeah , writing desktop apps exposes you to differences between OSes .
Okay , but all OSes have files , can count time , probably can make you some random numbers , TCP sockets and so forth : they do the same things but in slightly different ways .
Wrap the differences in libportability and get over it.Maybe my attitude betrays my lack of coffee , but is n't it basically right ?
You do n't have worse portability for desktop applications than you do for web applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90\% of web developers don't even do that, and that's what I (personally) consider the bare minimum.I count that as eight different platforms (assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers).
How many desktop OSes are in use, discounting those used by less than 0.1\% of the market?
Windows, OS X, Linux, iPhone OS, and uhm... yeah?So when you think about creating an application and you worry about porting it between different clients, the decision "let's make it a web app!
We'll have to test fewer platforms" runs counter to your purpose, right?
In other words: people have turned the web into something it wasn't meant to be---a portability nightmare.Yeah, writing desktop apps exposes you to differences between OSes.
Okay, but all OSes have files, can count time, probably can make you some random numbers, TCP sockets and so forth: they do the same things but in slightly different ways.
Wrap the differences in libportability and get over it.Maybe my attitude betrays my lack of coffee, but isn't it basically right?
You don't have worse portability for desktop applications than you do for web applications.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537568</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269013860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They need to launch a "show the world your O face" ad campaign. They'd be as popular as IE and Firefox very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They need to launch a " show the world your O face " ad campaign .
They 'd be as popular as IE and Firefox very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They need to launch a "show the world your O face" ad campaign.
They'd be as popular as IE and Firefox very quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536538</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>lyinhart</author>
	<datestamp>1269011400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This article explicitly states that the additional downloads are coming from the screen: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8574883.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8574883.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article explicitly states that the additional downloads are coming from the screen : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8574883.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article explicitly states that the additional downloads are coming from the screen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8574883.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538158</id>
	<title>multitude of browsers != more standardised</title>
	<author>AceJohnny</author>
	<datestamp>1269015240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse".</p><p>Hah, that made me laugh. As much as it pains me to say it, Microsoft Windows standardized the desktop, and Internet Explorer the Web. Sure, the quality of that 'standard' was terrible, but at least it was a standard.</p><p>Every week I see cool new features <a href="http://www.zurb.com/playground" title="zurb.com" rel="nofollow">demonstrated</a> [zurb.com]. But they're all tied to disclaimers such as <i>Demo works best in Safari 4.x and pretty well in Firefox 3.5.</i> and use css properties like "-webkit-text-stroke". That is the opposite of a standard.</p><p>I hope browser diversity will pull IE kicking and screaming into HTML5, but I certainly don't expect standardization!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse " .Hah , that made me laugh .
As much as it pains me to say it , Microsoft Windows standardized the desktop , and Internet Explorer the Web .
Sure , the quality of that 'standard ' was terrible , but at least it was a standard.Every week I see cool new features demonstrated [ zurb.com ] .
But they 're all tied to disclaimers such as Demo works best in Safari 4.x and pretty well in Firefox 3.5. and use css properties like " -webkit-text-stroke " .
That is the opposite of a standard.I hope browser diversity will pull IE kicking and screaming into HTML5 , but I certainly do n't expect standardization !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse".Hah, that made me laugh.
As much as it pains me to say it, Microsoft Windows standardized the desktop, and Internet Explorer the Web.
Sure, the quality of that 'standard' was terrible, but at least it was a standard.Every week I see cool new features demonstrated [zurb.com].
But they're all tied to disclaimers such as Demo works best in Safari 4.x and pretty well in Firefox 3.5. and use css properties like "-webkit-text-stroke".
That is the opposite of a standard.I hope browser diversity will pull IE kicking and screaming into HTML5, but I certainly don't expect standardization!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536560</id>
	<title>Microsoft Great Software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product, but because it locking competitors out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product , but because it locking competitors out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product, but because it locking competitors out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536696</id>
	<title>I still don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good idea in regards to what such a move will mean in the long-term. The *only* reason most people are happy about it is because we hate IE - the only reason we care is because this is specifically about the browsers. Why doesn't Mac OSX have to offer a screen for firefox or chrome instead of defaulting to safari? Why are linux distros allowed to bundle firefox? Why has this only happened for browsers, and not text editors/word processors, etc?</p><p>I "like" the idea of browser ballet in so far as that some IE usage will drop. However, I don't like the idea that government bodies are starting to dictate how a company should handle their software. It sets a dangerous precedent - this is like Apple hand-picking which apps are allowed in the app store, except on a much bigger scale - the EU hand-picking what software can be included on an operating system install. It's ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good idea in regards to what such a move will mean in the long-term .
The * only * reason most people are happy about it is because we hate IE - the only reason we care is because this is specifically about the browsers .
Why does n't Mac OSX have to offer a screen for firefox or chrome instead of defaulting to safari ?
Why are linux distros allowed to bundle firefox ?
Why has this only happened for browsers , and not text editors/word processors , etc ? I " like " the idea of browser ballet in so far as that some IE usage will drop .
However , I do n't like the idea that government bodies are starting to dictate how a company should handle their software .
It sets a dangerous precedent - this is like Apple hand-picking which apps are allowed in the app store , except on a much bigger scale - the EU hand-picking what software can be included on an operating system install .
It 's ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good idea in regards to what such a move will mean in the long-term.
The *only* reason most people are happy about it is because we hate IE - the only reason we care is because this is specifically about the browsers.
Why doesn't Mac OSX have to offer a screen for firefox or chrome instead of defaulting to safari?
Why are linux distros allowed to bundle firefox?
Why has this only happened for browsers, and not text editors/word processors, etc?I "like" the idea of browser ballet in so far as that some IE usage will drop.
However, I don't like the idea that government bodies are starting to dictate how a company should handle their software.
It sets a dangerous precedent - this is like Apple hand-picking which apps are allowed in the app store, except on a much bigger scale - the EU hand-picking what software can be included on an operating system install.
It's ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537212</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1269012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If there isnt 2-3 main browsers, but a lot having roughly the same market share, things could evolve in some ways:<br>- There isnt so many engines. A lot of browsers are based on webkit or could be based on it (like with the chrome plugin for IE). Actually the main engines are gecko, webkit, and the ones in opera and IE, but could be a run to standarize in i.e. webkit for some ofthe browsers that don't use it now (would be an interesting move for Opera, and the others could do it gradually... IE already have a "compatibility mode", so it could end being webkit based in some moment).<br>- Convergence, having as measure things like the Acid3 test, to score compatibility of browsers on one common standard<br>- Webmasters entering into reason. Maybe could have some sense to code for the browser that have 80\% of market share, but if all browsers/engines have 25\% market share or they code for all, or they code for none, keeping into common ground zone, or at least a zone where are most of them (that probably will put IE out, that is the one that ever had been far fromt he rest in standards compliance)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there isnt 2-3 main browsers , but a lot having roughly the same market share , things could evolve in some ways : - There isnt so many engines .
A lot of browsers are based on webkit or could be based on it ( like with the chrome plugin for IE ) .
Actually the main engines are gecko , webkit , and the ones in opera and IE , but could be a run to standarize in i.e .
webkit for some ofthe browsers that do n't use it now ( would be an interesting move for Opera , and the others could do it gradually... IE already have a " compatibility mode " , so it could end being webkit based in some moment ) .- Convergence , having as measure things like the Acid3 test , to score compatibility of browsers on one common standard- Webmasters entering into reason .
Maybe could have some sense to code for the browser that have 80 \ % of market share , but if all browsers/engines have 25 \ % market share or they code for all , or they code for none , keeping into common ground zone , or at least a zone where are most of them ( that probably will put IE out , that is the one that ever had been far fromt he rest in standards compliance )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there isnt 2-3 main browsers, but a lot having roughly the same market share, things could evolve in some ways:- There isnt so many engines.
A lot of browsers are based on webkit or could be based on it (like with the chrome plugin for IE).
Actually the main engines are gecko, webkit, and the ones in opera and IE, but could be a run to standarize in i.e.
webkit for some ofthe browsers that don't use it now (would be an interesting move for Opera, and the others could do it gradually... IE already have a "compatibility mode", so it could end being webkit based in some moment).- Convergence, having as measure things like the Acid3 test, to score compatibility of browsers on one common standard- Webmasters entering into reason.
Maybe could have some sense to code for the browser that have 80\% of market share, but if all browsers/engines have 25\% market share or they code for all, or they code for none, keeping into common ground zone, or at least a zone where are most of them (that probably will put IE out, that is the one that ever had been far fromt he rest in standards compliance)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540726</id>
	<title>Re:Opera Mini</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1269023400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to flamebait or something, but those downsides are your phone's fault, it fine in my E65 (Well, maybe except 4, I haven't tried the beta).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to flamebait or something , but those downsides are your phone 's fault , it fine in my E65 ( Well , maybe except 4 , I have n't tried the beta ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to flamebait or something, but those downsides are your phone's fault, it fine in my E65 (Well, maybe except 4, I haven't tried the beta).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542848</id>
	<title>Re:some annoying bugs on 10.50</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1268989380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't say I have noticed any bad bugs. It's stable and works well. Funny how all the negative comments are from ACs...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't say I have noticed any bad bugs .
It 's stable and works well .
Funny how all the negative comments are from ACs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't say I have noticed any bad bugs.
It's stable and works well.
Funny how all the negative comments are from ACs...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31546886</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1269013800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I'd really like to know is what \% of people using the ballot screen selected Opera. I wouldn't be surprised if it's ~20\%</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I 'd really like to know is what \ % of people using the ballot screen selected Opera .
I would n't be surprised if it 's ~ 20 \ %</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I'd really like to know is what \% of people using the ballot screen selected Opera.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's ~20\%</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539324</id>
	<title>Re:Woah</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1269018540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They used to have 4 users, now that have 10. That's one dramatic rise.</p></div><p>Most of the features you're using in your current browser are carbon copies of what Opera brought to the market.  Opera affects you no matter what you think of its userbase.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They used to have 4 users , now that have 10 .
That 's one dramatic rise.Most of the features you 're using in your current browser are carbon copies of what Opera brought to the market .
Opera affects you no matter what you think of its userbase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They used to have 4 users, now that have 10.
That's one dramatic rise.Most of the features you're using in your current browser are carbon copies of what Opera brought to the market.
Opera affects you no matter what you think of its userbase.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539436</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't that Web Purpose FAIL: less portability</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1269018900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I count that as eight different platforms (assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers). How many desktop OSes are in use, discounting those used by less than 0.1\% of the market? Windows, OS X, Linux, iPhone OS, and uhm... yeah?</p></div><p>Operating Systems: Win 2000, XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS 10.4-6, Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 12, OpenSUSE 11.2, iPhone original, iPhone 3G</p><p>I'm pretty sure all those OSes have at least 0.1\% market share, that's 12 platforms.</p><p>The superior portability of web apps is not because there are less browsers but because they all adhere to a common standard, unlike operating systems. You can't run a Linux binary natively on Windows, and vice versa. There are libraries and middleware systems, but not everyone uses them, unlike browsers, which are essentially all mutually compatible middleware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I count that as eight different platforms ( assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers ) .
How many desktop OSes are in use , discounting those used by less than 0.1 \ % of the market ?
Windows , OS X , Linux , iPhone OS , and uhm... yeah ? Operating Systems : Win 2000 , XP , Vista , 7 , Mac OS 10.4-6 , Ubuntu 9.10 , Fedora 12 , OpenSUSE 11.2 , iPhone original , iPhone 3GI 'm pretty sure all those OSes have at least 0.1 \ % market share , that 's 12 platforms.The superior portability of web apps is not because there are less browsers but because they all adhere to a common standard , unlike operating systems .
You ca n't run a Linux binary natively on Windows , and vice versa .
There are libraries and middleware systems , but not everyone uses them , unlike browsers , which are essentially all mutually compatible middleware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I count that as eight different platforms (assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers).
How many desktop OSes are in use, discounting those used by less than 0.1\% of the market?
Windows, OS X, Linux, iPhone OS, and uhm... yeah?Operating Systems: Win 2000, XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS 10.4-6, Ubuntu 9.10, Fedora 12, OpenSUSE 11.2, iPhone original, iPhone 3GI'm pretty sure all those OSes have at least 0.1\% market share, that's 12 platforms.The superior portability of web apps is not because there are less browsers but because they all adhere to a common standard, unlike operating systems.
You can't run a Linux binary natively on Windows, and vice versa.
There are libraries and middleware systems, but not everyone uses them, unlike browsers, which are essentially all mutually compatible middleware.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536326</id>
	<title>Death of the proprietary browser monopoly?</title>
	<author>Mantis8</author>
	<datestamp>1269010740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully, this will signal the end of the monopoly of the proprietary, non-standards compliant browsers like ie enjoyed for many years and force everybody to comply with reasonable standards.  At the beginning of the internet, being non-standards compliant seemed ok at first, but now we are wiser and non-compliant browsers are looked down upon, instead of being a skewed standard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully , this will signal the end of the monopoly of the proprietary , non-standards compliant browsers like ie enjoyed for many years and force everybody to comply with reasonable standards .
At the beginning of the internet , being non-standards compliant seemed ok at first , but now we are wiser and non-compliant browsers are looked down upon , instead of being a skewed standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully, this will signal the end of the monopoly of the proprietary, non-standards compliant browsers like ie enjoyed for many years and force everybody to comply with reasonable standards.
At the beginning of the internet, being non-standards compliant seemed ok at first, but now we are wiser and non-compliant browsers are looked down upon, instead of being a skewed standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539964</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269020700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No you didn't, you just wanted to mention your little cartoon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No you did n't , you just wanted to mention your little cartoon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No you didn't, you just wanted to mention your little cartoon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536984</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1269012420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing.  Go ahead, look at market share in eastern Europe, and especially among people who use the Cyrillic alphabet.  It seems that a LOT of people take Opera seriously.</p><p>I've tested it, in several incarnations now.  I'll bet I could still find my license file somewhere, if I tried hard enough.  It has some pretty neat features, no matter what language you speak.  That sharing thing, for instance - any idiot can share files, photos, whatever with their family, in a reasonably secure manner, without jumping through a lot of hoops.</p><p>You should drive it, before you dump on it.</p><p>I'm not switching, because Firefox suits my needs and wants, but if I were to switch, Opera would be a good browser to consider.  In fact, it comes in side by side with Chrome, in my books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera must be doing something right , that all the other browsers are missing .
Go ahead , look at market share in eastern Europe , and especially among people who use the Cyrillic alphabet .
It seems that a LOT of people take Opera seriously.I 've tested it , in several incarnations now .
I 'll bet I could still find my license file somewhere , if I tried hard enough .
It has some pretty neat features , no matter what language you speak .
That sharing thing , for instance - any idiot can share files , photos , whatever with their family , in a reasonably secure manner , without jumping through a lot of hoops.You should drive it , before you dump on it.I 'm not switching , because Firefox suits my needs and wants , but if I were to switch , Opera would be a good browser to consider .
In fact , it comes in side by side with Chrome , in my books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing.
Go ahead, look at market share in eastern Europe, and especially among people who use the Cyrillic alphabet.
It seems that a LOT of people take Opera seriously.I've tested it, in several incarnations now.
I'll bet I could still find my license file somewhere, if I tried hard enough.
It has some pretty neat features, no matter what language you speak.
That sharing thing, for instance - any idiot can share files, photos, whatever with their family, in a reasonably secure manner, without jumping through a lot of hoops.You should drive it, before you dump on it.I'm not switching, because Firefox suits my needs and wants, but if I were to switch, Opera would be a good browser to consider.
In fact, it comes in side by side with Chrome, in my books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535912</id>
	<title>Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well. Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen.<br> <br>However, still nice to see people trying something different.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These numbers do n't mean too much , because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well .
Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version , and not by the ballot screen .
However , still nice to see people trying something different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well.
Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen.
However, still nice to see people trying something different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535896</id>
	<title>Frist ps0t</title>
	<author>heneon</author>
	<datestamp>1269009540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could someone explain when this ballot actually comes up? is it only for new installs of Windows or at some later moment, too? I already use Opera so it wouldnt make any difference to me but at least during the odd times I had to use IE for something it didn't ask me anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could someone explain when this ballot actually comes up ?
is it only for new installs of Windows or at some later moment , too ?
I already use Opera so it wouldnt make any difference to me but at least during the odd times I had to use IE for something it did n't ask me anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could someone explain when this ballot actually comes up?
is it only for new installs of Windows or at some later moment, too?
I already use Opera so it wouldnt make any difference to me but at least during the odd times I had to use IE for something it didn't ask me anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539104</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269017880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you get a free sandwich with a coffee in Starbucks ?</p><p>What a strange place you live in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you get a free sandwich with a coffee in Starbucks ? What a strange place you live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you get a free sandwich with a coffee in Starbucks ?What a strange place you live in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539132</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1269018000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm kind of partial to chrome, but then again I'm a minimalist. Opera is blazing fast tho, got to give them that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm kind of partial to chrome , but then again I 'm a minimalist .
Opera is blazing fast tho , got to give them that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm kind of partial to chrome, but then again I'm a minimalist.
Opera is blazing fast tho, got to give them that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536950</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1269012360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always test on Opera because I can't install Chrome at work. (Well, I can, but it insists on ignoring my organization's Windows policies, and installs itself to Documents &amp; Settings, which is wiped every time I log out. )</p><p>So I test on Firefox 3.6, Opera, and IE7. (Because my organization hasn't moved to IE8.)</p><p>I've never run into an instance where Opera didn't match either IE7 or Firefox 3.6. (this is mostly testing <i>other</i> people's shit.)</p><p>No, it's probably not ever going to be the first thing I test. But I always hit all four major rendering engines before shipping things out the door (Gecko, Webkit, Presto, and Trident.) If it works on all of those, it's highly unlikely that your design will ever break. And that's worth a final test.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always test on Opera because I ca n't install Chrome at work .
( Well , I can , but it insists on ignoring my organization 's Windows policies , and installs itself to Documents &amp; Settings , which is wiped every time I log out .
) So I test on Firefox 3.6 , Opera , and IE7 .
( Because my organization has n't moved to IE8 .
) I 've never run into an instance where Opera did n't match either IE7 or Firefox 3.6 .
( this is mostly testing other people 's shit .
) No , it 's probably not ever going to be the first thing I test .
But I always hit all four major rendering engines before shipping things out the door ( Gecko , Webkit , Presto , and Trident .
) If it works on all of those , it 's highly unlikely that your design will ever break .
And that 's worth a final test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always test on Opera because I can't install Chrome at work.
(Well, I can, but it insists on ignoring my organization's Windows policies, and installs itself to Documents &amp; Settings, which is wiped every time I log out.
)So I test on Firefox 3.6, Opera, and IE7.
(Because my organization hasn't moved to IE8.
)I've never run into an instance where Opera didn't match either IE7 or Firefox 3.6.
(this is mostly testing other people's shit.
)No, it's probably not ever going to be the first thing I test.
But I always hit all four major rendering engines before shipping things out the door (Gecko, Webkit, Presto, and Trident.
) If it works on all of those, it's highly unlikely that your design will ever break.
And that's worth a final test.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538686</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269016620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It isn't at all hard to setup multiple profiles.  Just sit down in profile manager, and crank 'em out.  Then, unpack each firefox zip you grabbed off of ftp.mozilla.org to a separately named folder.  In each one, if you are using windows on your test machine (which simplifies testing of chrome/safari/opera etc including their nightly builds) right click on the executable and choose "Create Shortcut"  - then just add  -no-remote -P newprofilename to the end of the shortcut executable line.<br>Finally, after launching you might want to go to about:config and turn off app.update.auto if you're trying to control versions.</p><p>Above process  is trivially scriptable under Linux, but my Windows expertise in that area is somewhat lacking.</p><p>Took me about 15 minutes to setup 10 firefox profiles.  FF2, FF3, FF3.5, FF3.6, FF3.7 continually updated and a handful of trunk builds for bisecting to an approximate range.</p><p>I also test chromium and webkit nightlies the same way.  I do use VMs for IE7, IE8 and IE9 - the test machine runs IE6 natively for lowest common denominator testing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't at all hard to setup multiple profiles .
Just sit down in profile manager , and crank 'em out .
Then , unpack each firefox zip you grabbed off of ftp.mozilla.org to a separately named folder .
In each one , if you are using windows on your test machine ( which simplifies testing of chrome/safari/opera etc including their nightly builds ) right click on the executable and choose " Create Shortcut " - then just add -no-remote -P newprofilename to the end of the shortcut executable line.Finally , after launching you might want to go to about : config and turn off app.update.auto if you 're trying to control versions.Above process is trivially scriptable under Linux , but my Windows expertise in that area is somewhat lacking.Took me about 15 minutes to setup 10 firefox profiles .
FF2 , FF3 , FF3.5 , FF3.6 , FF3.7 continually updated and a handful of trunk builds for bisecting to an approximate range.I also test chromium and webkit nightlies the same way .
I do use VMs for IE7 , IE8 and IE9 - the test machine runs IE6 natively for lowest common denominator testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't at all hard to setup multiple profiles.
Just sit down in profile manager, and crank 'em out.
Then, unpack each firefox zip you grabbed off of ftp.mozilla.org to a separately named folder.
In each one, if you are using windows on your test machine (which simplifies testing of chrome/safari/opera etc including their nightly builds) right click on the executable and choose "Create Shortcut"  - then just add  -no-remote -P newprofilename to the end of the shortcut executable line.Finally, after launching you might want to go to about:config and turn off app.update.auto if you're trying to control versions.Above process  is trivially scriptable under Linux, but my Windows expertise in that area is somewhat lacking.Took me about 15 minutes to setup 10 firefox profiles.
FF2, FF3, FF3.5, FF3.6, FF3.7 continually updated and a handful of trunk builds for bisecting to an approximate range.I also test chromium and webkit nightlies the same way.
I do use VMs for IE7, IE8 and IE9 - the test machine runs IE6 natively for lowest common denominator testing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535840</id>
	<title>Woah</title>
	<author>chrysalis</author>
	<datestamp>1269009360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They used to have 4 users, now that have 10. That's one dramatic rise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They used to have 4 users , now that have 10 .
That 's one dramatic rise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They used to have 4 users, now that have 10.
That's one dramatic rise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540330</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1269021900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right and the statement you reference is obviously wrong. Multiple implementations will of course diverge no matter what a standard says. IE may suck, but back in the day most web sites could be designed without worrying about other browsers. Sure, it only supported Windows and the Mac, but that was good enough to reach the vast majority of users.</p><p>Today, most sites support browsers that run on Linux and that's a good thing, but it's made the web developers job harder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right and the statement you reference is obviously wrong .
Multiple implementations will of course diverge no matter what a standard says .
IE may suck , but back in the day most web sites could be designed without worrying about other browsers .
Sure , it only supported Windows and the Mac , but that was good enough to reach the vast majority of users.Today , most sites support browsers that run on Linux and that 's a good thing , but it 's made the web developers job harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right and the statement you reference is obviously wrong.
Multiple implementations will of course diverge no matter what a standard says.
IE may suck, but back in the day most web sites could be designed without worrying about other browsers.
Sure, it only supported Windows and the Mac, but that was good enough to reach the vast majority of users.Today, most sites support browsers that run on Linux and that's a good thing, but it's made the web developers job harder.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536546</id>
	<title>Opera Mini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as we're spreading the Opera love...<br>I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop.  However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town.<br><a href="http://m.opera.com/" title="opera.com">http://m.opera.com/</a> [opera.com]</p><p>The interface is quite fast, even on my crappy old Samsung.  Difficult to believe it's a Java midp, given the responsiveness with which you can scroll around the page, zoom in/out, and slide back.  It's much better than the built-in browsers that I've used on Samsung, Blackberry, older Palm devices, etc. and I even use it sometimes on my wife's Android phone.  And it has some sort of bookmark sync thing tied to your account.</p><p>Anyway, if it wasn't for opera mini, I wouldn't have been able to get by with my dumb phone on a cheap wap plan for so long.  Also with my Blackberry and Palm it allowed me to hit some javascript-heavy pages when I didn't have access to a computer (airline check-ins, etc.) and the built-in browsers just wouldn't hack it.  So it's an essential piece to have on your mobile device.</p><p>Downsides:<br>* sometimes I lose my bookmarks, I think when I exit out of it too fast and my device kills java before it's finished cleaning up.<br>* My phone puts java apps in a really annoying place without a quick shortcut to it (Tools | My Files | Games).<br>* It disables my phone's standby for some reason.<br>* Opera Mini 5 beta doesn't work, but Opera Mini 4 works great. YMMV<br>* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.</p><p>But it's awesome enough that I put up with those inconveniences to use it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as we 're spreading the Opera love...I 've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop .
However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it 's pretty much the only game in town.http : //m.opera.com/ [ opera.com ] The interface is quite fast , even on my crappy old Samsung .
Difficult to believe it 's a Java midp , given the responsiveness with which you can scroll around the page , zoom in/out , and slide back .
It 's much better than the built-in browsers that I 've used on Samsung , Blackberry , older Palm devices , etc .
and I even use it sometimes on my wife 's Android phone .
And it has some sort of bookmark sync thing tied to your account.Anyway , if it was n't for opera mini , I would n't have been able to get by with my dumb phone on a cheap wap plan for so long .
Also with my Blackberry and Palm it allowed me to hit some javascript-heavy pages when I did n't have access to a computer ( airline check-ins , etc .
) and the built-in browsers just would n't hack it .
So it 's an essential piece to have on your mobile device.Downsides : * sometimes I lose my bookmarks , I think when I exit out of it too fast and my device kills java before it 's finished cleaning up .
* My phone puts java apps in a really annoying place without a quick shortcut to it ( Tools | My Files | Games ) .
* It disables my phone 's standby for some reason .
* Opera Mini 5 beta does n't work , but Opera Mini 4 works great .
YMMV * java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.But it 's awesome enough that I put up with those inconveniences to use it : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as we're spreading the Opera love...I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop.
However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town.http://m.opera.com/ [opera.com]The interface is quite fast, even on my crappy old Samsung.
Difficult to believe it's a Java midp, given the responsiveness with which you can scroll around the page, zoom in/out, and slide back.
It's much better than the built-in browsers that I've used on Samsung, Blackberry, older Palm devices, etc.
and I even use it sometimes on my wife's Android phone.
And it has some sort of bookmark sync thing tied to your account.Anyway, if it wasn't for opera mini, I wouldn't have been able to get by with my dumb phone on a cheap wap plan for so long.
Also with my Blackberry and Palm it allowed me to hit some javascript-heavy pages when I didn't have access to a computer (airline check-ins, etc.
) and the built-in browsers just wouldn't hack it.
So it's an essential piece to have on your mobile device.Downsides:* sometimes I lose my bookmarks, I think when I exit out of it too fast and my device kills java before it's finished cleaning up.
* My phone puts java apps in a really annoying place without a quick shortcut to it (Tools | My Files | Games).
* It disables my phone's standby for some reason.
* Opera Mini 5 beta doesn't work, but Opera Mini 4 works great.
YMMV* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.But it's awesome enough that I put up with those inconveniences to use it :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539556</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269019380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cut out the middleman and use opera when I'm doing development. I mean, our QA guys need to hit IE and FF <b>anyway</b>, so I might as well get in an 80/20 test with Opera while I'm iterating my changes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I cut out the middleman and use opera when I 'm doing development .
I mean , our QA guys need to hit IE and FF anyway , so I might as well get in an 80/20 test with Opera while I 'm iterating my changes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cut out the middleman and use opera when I'm doing development.
I mean, our QA guys need to hit IE and FF anyway, so I might as well get in an 80/20 test with Opera while I'm iterating my changes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542238</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1269029580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The numbers mean that, being made aware that they have choice, more people will exercise it. They mean that the ballot screen seems to be a success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The numbers mean that , being made aware that they have choice , more people will exercise it .
They mean that the ballot screen seems to be a success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The numbers mean that, being made aware that they have choice, more people will exercise it.
They mean that the ballot screen seems to be a success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537040</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>cerberusss</author>
	<datestamp>1269012600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen</p></div><p>I see this differently. The ballot screen somehow caused Opera to create a new version.</p><p>The Flying Spaghetti Monster may have something to do with it as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>part of the increase is caused by this new version , and not by the ballot screenI see this differently .
The ballot screen somehow caused Opera to create a new version.The Flying Spaghetti Monster may have something to do with it as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screenI see this differently.
The ballot screen somehow caused Opera to create a new version.The Flying Spaghetti Monster may have something to do with it as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542742</id>
	<title>Re:Its all relative ...</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1269032100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, Opera already has about 50 million desktop users, and another 50 million Opera Mini users. Compare that to Firefox's reported 300 million users, and you'll get the idea. The blatant lie that Opera has a tiny user base is still being spread by ignoramuses like yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Opera already has about 50 million desktop users , and another 50 million Opera Mini users .
Compare that to Firefox 's reported 300 million users , and you 'll get the idea .
The blatant lie that Opera has a tiny user base is still being spread by ignoramuses like yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Opera already has about 50 million desktop users, and another 50 million Opera Mini users.
Compare that to Firefox's reported 300 million users, and you'll get the idea.
The blatant lie that Opera has a tiny user base is still being spread by ignoramuses like yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535908</id>
	<title>an anti-swpat company doing well</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1269009600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Opera\_Software" title="swpat.org">Opera Software</a> [swpat.org] did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/EU\_software\_patents\_directive" title="swpat.org">EU software patents directive</a> [swpat.org].  Thanks Opera!.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera Software [ swpat.org ] did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive [ swpat.org ] .
Thanks Opera ! .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Opera Software [swpat.org] did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive [swpat.org].
Thanks Opera!.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537434</id>
	<title>A multitude of browsers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269013560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse" -- because there isn't a multitude of browsers now? And I suppose because all standards are so thoroughly written there is no room for interpretive error?<br>This could never possibly make the web less usable because all code will function perfectly on the upcoming multitude of 10\% market share browsers, the days when sites need to be checked basically on three or four browsers (ie, ff, opera, safari) are will be gone.<br>Thank goodness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse " -- because there is n't a multitude of browsers now ?
And I suppose because all standards are so thoroughly written there is no room for interpretive error ? This could never possibly make the web less usable because all code will function perfectly on the upcoming multitude of 10 \ % market share browsers , the days when sites need to be checked basically on three or four browsers ( ie , ff , opera , safari ) are will be gone.Thank goodness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse" -- because there isn't a multitude of browsers now?
And I suppose because all standards are so thoroughly written there is no room for interpretive error?This could never possibly make the web less usable because all code will function perfectly on the upcoming multitude of 10\% market share browsers, the days when sites need to be checked basically on three or four browsers (ie, ff, opera, safari) are will be gone.Thank goodness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31548084</id>
	<title>Best thing about Opera?</title>
	<author>meatron</author>
	<datestamp>1269076980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spatial navigation! No other browser has that. You can use shift+arrow keys to navigate through the links. Simple, but a big reason for me not to change to firefox. I even endured a period of incredible instability on the linux version couple of years ago - the recent versions have been rock-solid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spatial navigation !
No other browser has that .
You can use shift + arrow keys to navigate through the links .
Simple , but a big reason for me not to change to firefox .
I even endured a period of incredible instability on the linux version couple of years ago - the recent versions have been rock-solid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spatial navigation!
No other browser has that.
You can use shift+arrow keys to navigate through the links.
Simple, but a big reason for me not to change to firefox.
I even endured a period of incredible instability on the linux version couple of years ago - the recent versions have been rock-solid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536148</id>
	<title>IE is the burden.</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1269010200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt it. Testing in IE takes longer than in all other major browsers (Firefox, Safari, Opera, and Chrome) combined. Besides IE, all major browsers are reasonably standards compliant. IE is the only browser with enough market share to make it the developers problem if they aren't standards compliant. Only really crappy developers will have any major issues and lets face it - they deserve it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it .
Testing in IE takes longer than in all other major browsers ( Firefox , Safari , Opera , and Chrome ) combined .
Besides IE , all major browsers are reasonably standards compliant .
IE is the only browser with enough market share to make it the developers problem if they are n't standards compliant .
Only really crappy developers will have any major issues and lets face it - they deserve it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it.
Testing in IE takes longer than in all other major browsers (Firefox, Safari, Opera, and Chrome) combined.
Besides IE, all major browsers are reasonably standards compliant.
IE is the only browser with enough market share to make it the developers problem if they aren't standards compliant.
Only really crappy developers will have any major issues and lets face it - they deserve it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537210</id>
	<title>Re:That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a minute there I thought you were referring to the this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Big\_O" title="wikipedia.org">"The Big O"</a> [wikipedia.org]. I watch too much anime...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a minute there I thought you were referring to the this " The Big O " [ wikipedia.org ] .
I watch too much anime.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a minute there I thought you were referring to the this "The Big O" [wikipedia.org].
I watch too much anime...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542732</id>
	<title>Re:Big Three? You are not a web developer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269032040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having also worked in web development, I'd like to echo what parent said. In our shop, we'd first write/test everything in Firefox with firebug. Once it worked perfectly in Firefox, we'd get to work putting in the various hacks needed to get it to work in the IEs. We'd rarely test other browsers beyond running our code through them once and making sure everything looked right, because if our code worked on Firefox it was essentially guaranteed to work on any other browser with real standards compliance.</p><p>Granted, it's been a few years at this point since I worked in web dev, but when I talk to friends still doing it it sounds like things haven't changed much. At the time coding to the "Big Three" was basically company policy. Of course, at the time the "Big Three" were IE6, IE7, and Firefox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having also worked in web development , I 'd like to echo what parent said .
In our shop , we 'd first write/test everything in Firefox with firebug .
Once it worked perfectly in Firefox , we 'd get to work putting in the various hacks needed to get it to work in the IEs .
We 'd rarely test other browsers beyond running our code through them once and making sure everything looked right , because if our code worked on Firefox it was essentially guaranteed to work on any other browser with real standards compliance.Granted , it 's been a few years at this point since I worked in web dev , but when I talk to friends still doing it it sounds like things have n't changed much .
At the time coding to the " Big Three " was basically company policy .
Of course , at the time the " Big Three " were IE6 , IE7 , and Firefox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having also worked in web development, I'd like to echo what parent said.
In our shop, we'd first write/test everything in Firefox with firebug.
Once it worked perfectly in Firefox, we'd get to work putting in the various hacks needed to get it to work in the IEs.
We'd rarely test other browsers beyond running our code through them once and making sure everything looked right, because if our code worked on Firefox it was essentially guaranteed to work on any other browser with real standards compliance.Granted, it's been a few years at this point since I worked in web dev, but when I talk to friends still doing it it sounds like things haven't changed much.
At the time coding to the "Big Three" was basically company policy.
Of course, at the time the "Big Three" were IE6, IE7, and Firefox.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536648</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1269011700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it a little strange that USA prosecuted Microsoft as an illegal leverager of a monopoly - this should have happened sooner.  Maybe the IE team wouldn't have been disbanded.</p><p>Microsoft put out a crappy browser and then stopped developing it, thinking people would just give up on standards and write for IE.  I find that strange as well.</p><p>I'm sure there are other aspects which qualify as strange.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it a little strange that USA prosecuted Microsoft as an illegal leverager of a monopoly - this should have happened sooner .
Maybe the IE team would n't have been disbanded.Microsoft put out a crappy browser and then stopped developing it , thinking people would just give up on standards and write for IE .
I find that strange as well.I 'm sure there are other aspects which qualify as strange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it a little strange that USA prosecuted Microsoft as an illegal leverager of a monopoly - this should have happened sooner.
Maybe the IE team wouldn't have been disbanded.Microsoft put out a crappy browser and then stopped developing it, thinking people would just give up on standards and write for IE.
I find that strange as well.I'm sure there are other aspects which qualify as strange.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536580</id>
	<title>Avoiding the appearance of tying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.</p></div><p>Windows is Microsoft's own product, which holds <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market\_power" title="wikipedia.org">market power</a> [wikipedia.org] over home PC operating systems. The browser ballot is Microsoft's way of avoiding the appearance of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying\_(commerce)" title="wikipedia.org">anticompetitive tying</a> [wikipedia.org] to EU regulators.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to " promote the competition " in their own product.Windows is Microsoft 's own product , which holds market power [ wikipedia.org ] over home PC operating systems .
The browser ballot is Microsoft 's way of avoiding the appearance of anticompetitive tying [ wikipedia.org ] to EU regulators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.Windows is Microsoft's own product, which holds market power [wikipedia.org] over home PC operating systems.
The browser ballot is Microsoft's way of avoiding the appearance of anticompetitive tying [wikipedia.org] to EU regulators.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31543418</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>Rantastic</author>
	<datestamp>1268991480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is one of those cases where the Microsoft engineers who wrote their particular extension of DOM were *much better* at writing the <b>standard</b> than the W3C was, since they anticipated and compensated for a use case the W3C apparently didn't even bother thinking about.</p></div><p>I don't think that work means what you think it means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of those cases where the Microsoft engineers who wrote their particular extension of DOM were * much better * at writing the standard than the W3C was , since they anticipated and compensated for a use case the W3C apparently did n't even bother thinking about.I do n't think that work means what you think it means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of those cases where the Microsoft engineers who wrote their particular extension of DOM were *much better* at writing the standard than the W3C was, since they anticipated and compensated for a use case the W3C apparently didn't even bother thinking about.I don't think that work means what you think it means.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542822</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo?</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1268989200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would they do that? The Wii doesn't have a monopoly. Weird with all these ACs parrting pro-Microsoft talking points...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would they do that ?
The Wii does n't have a monopoly .
Weird with all these ACs parrting pro-Microsoft talking points.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would they do that?
The Wii doesn't have a monopoly.
Weird with all these ACs parrting pro-Microsoft talking points...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542980</id>
	<title>How about these #'s over time in SPEED &amp; SECUR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268989860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well. Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen."</b> - by TSchut (1314115) on Friday March 19, @08:40AM (#31535912)</p></div><p>Per my subject-line above then? How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY??</p><p><b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; <a href="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win" title="howtocreate.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win</a> [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"...</p><p>Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?</p><p>Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" These numbers do n't mean too much , because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well .
Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version , and not by the ballot screen .
" - by TSchut ( 1314115 ) on Friday March 19 , @ 08 : 40AM ( # 31535912 ) Per my subject-line above then ?
How about THESE # 's , over time , in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY ?
? IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , both YEARS ago - &gt; http : //www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html # win [ howtocreate.co.uk ] , and last year too - &gt; http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( AND , also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ...Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) - and features ? Opera 's got features most browsers need " bolted on " addons for , except Opera has them natively ( as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well , IF you need that kind of thing ( I really do not , it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking , script blocks or accepts BY SITE ( via its various .ini files it has ) too &amp; more , far more ) .APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well.
Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen.
" - by TSchut (1314115) on Friday March 19, @08:40AM (#31535912)Per my subject-line above then?
How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED &amp; SECURITY?
?IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"...Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542926</id>
	<title>Opera also does BEST @ security AND speed too!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268989620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive. Thanks Opera!."</b> - by H4x0r Jim Duggan (757476) on Friday March 19, @08:40AM (#31535908) Homepage</p></div><p>Opera CONSISTENTLY does great @ getting users the BEST SPEED and THE BEST SECURITY RATING (vs. known vulnerabilities) over time also... So, I agree, &amp; say "Thanks Opera" for being consistently the FASTEST &amp; SAFEST WEBBROWSER PROGRAM THERE IS, CONSISTENTLY OVER TIME, Bar-none!</p><p><b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; <a href="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win" title="howtocreate.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win</a> [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"...</p><p>Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?</p><p>Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive .
Thanks Opera ! .
" - by H4x0r Jim Duggan ( 757476 ) on Friday March 19 , @ 08 : 40AM ( # 31535908 ) HomepageOpera CONSISTENTLY does great @ getting users the BEST SPEED and THE BEST SECURITY RATING ( vs. known vulnerabilities ) over time also... So , I agree , &amp; say " Thanks Opera " for being consistently the FASTEST &amp; SAFEST WEBBROWSER PROGRAM THERE IS , CONSISTENTLY OVER TIME , Bar-none ! IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , both YEARS ago - &gt; http : //www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html # win [ howtocreate.co.uk ] , and last year too - &gt; http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( AND , also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ...Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) - and features ? Opera 's got features most browsers need " bolted on " addons for , except Opera has them natively ( as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well , IF you need that kind of thing ( I really do not , it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking , script blocks or accepts BY SITE ( via its various .ini files it has ) too &amp; more , far more ) .APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive.
Thanks Opera!.
" - by H4x0r Jim Duggan (757476) on Friday March 19, @08:40AM (#31535908) HomepageOpera CONSISTENTLY does great @ getting users the BEST SPEED and THE BEST SECURITY RATING (vs. known vulnerabilities) over time also... So, I agree, &amp; say "Thanks Opera" for being consistently the FASTEST &amp; SAFEST WEBBROWSER PROGRAM THERE IS, CONSISTENTLY OVER TIME, Bar-none!IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"...Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537982</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1269014940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So Starbucks are being anti-competitive when they sell sandwiches ?</p></div><p>Nope. If, however, Starbucks doubled their market share and qualified as a monopoly and then gave away a free sandwich with each coffee (while rolling their costs into the price of coffee, usually called bundling) then they would be guilty of violating competition laws.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So Starbucks are being anti-competitive when they sell sandwiches ? Nope .
If , however , Starbucks doubled their market share and qualified as a monopoly and then gave away a free sandwich with each coffee ( while rolling their costs into the price of coffee , usually called bundling ) then they would be guilty of violating competition laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Starbucks are being anti-competitive when they sell sandwiches ?Nope.
If, however, Starbucks doubled their market share and qualified as a monopoly and then gave away a free sandwich with each coffee (while rolling their costs into the price of coffee, usually called bundling) then they would be guilty of violating competition laws.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537036</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1269012600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.</p></div><p>I'm not a fan of strangling women or anything but I still find it a little strange that Gary Leon Ridgway is being required to "promote the safety of women" in his own housing choices, by living in a small cell away from society.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using.</p></div><p>Perhaps Anthony Hopkins and every man should be required to live in a cell.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's start the insanity...</p></div><p>I think your insanity is in assuming people convicted of a crime should not be punished and forced to make reparations to society because non-criminals are not punished. That's pretty fucking nuts dude.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to " promote the competition " in their own product.I 'm not a fan of strangling women or anything but I still find it a little strange that Gary Leon Ridgway is being required to " promote the safety of women " in his own housing choices , by living in a small cell away from society .
Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using.Perhaps Anthony Hopkins and every man should be required to live in a cell.Let 's start the insanity...I think your insanity is in assuming people convicted of a crime should not be punished and forced to make reparations to society because non-criminals are not punished .
That 's pretty fucking nuts dude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.I'm not a fan of strangling women or anything but I still find it a little strange that Gary Leon Ridgway is being required to "promote the safety of women" in his own housing choices, by living in a small cell away from society.
Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using.Perhaps Anthony Hopkins and every man should be required to live in a cell.Let's start the insanity...I think your insanity is in assuming people convicted of a crime should not be punished and forced to make reparations to society because non-criminals are not punished.
That's pretty fucking nuts dude.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542970</id>
	<title>Re:Big Three? You are not a web developer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268989860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What kind of crazed and ignorant person thinks that all IE users are "degenerates"?  Your comment made me laugh, however I certainly hope it was a joke.  The vast majority of IE users simply don't know any better or don't care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of crazed and ignorant person thinks that all IE users are " degenerates " ?
Your comment made me laugh , however I certainly hope it was a joke .
The vast majority of IE users simply do n't know any better or do n't care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of crazed and ignorant person thinks that all IE users are "degenerates"?
Your comment made me laugh, however I certainly hope it was a joke.
The vast majority of IE users simply don't know any better or don't care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537480</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>jonnat</author>
	<datestamp>1269013620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Your perception is based on the flawed assumption that Microsoft is a common competitor in the browser market. MS has been found by the European Commission to be a monopoly abusing its position to stifle competition. They were fined over 1.6 billion Euro and the "promotion of the competition" is nothing but MS's own strategy to reduce that penalty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your perception is based on the flawed assumption that Microsoft is a common competitor in the browser market .
MS has been found by the European Commission to be a monopoly abusing its position to stifle competition .
They were fined over 1.6 billion Euro and the " promotion of the competition " is nothing but MS 's own strategy to reduce that penalty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your perception is based on the flawed assumption that Microsoft is a common competitor in the browser market.
MS has been found by the European Commission to be a monopoly abusing its position to stifle competition.
They were fined over 1.6 billion Euro and the "promotion of the competition" is nothing but MS's own strategy to reduce that penalty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31543076</id>
	<title>U.R. Speaking to Polish-American here (apk)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268990280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?"</b> - by Animaether (411575) on Friday March 19, @09:06AM (#31536478)</p></div><p>You're speaking to one now - Polish-American here, &amp; here are the reasons WHY I stick to Opera (&amp; have since I discovered it ages ago around version 4.x):</p><p><b>IF you love speed online</b> (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; <a href="http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win" title="howtocreate.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win</a> [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087" title="pcpro.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087</a> [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) <b>AND if you love security too!)</b></p><p>====</p><p><b>SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:</b></p><p><b>====</b></p><p><b>Opera 10.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)</p><p>----</p><p><b>FireFox 3.6x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)</p><p>----</p><p><b>Internet Explorer 8.x:</b></p><p><a href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/" title="secunia.com" rel="nofollow">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/</a> [secunia.com]</p><p>Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)</p><p>====</p><p>"Read 'em &amp; weep"...</p><p>Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?</p><p>Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk</p></div>
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<tokenext>" How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the " Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection " are actually going to -stick to- using Opera , rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen ?
" - by Animaether ( 411575 ) on Friday March 19 , @ 09 : 06AM ( # 31536478 ) You 're speaking to one now - Polish-American here , &amp; here are the reasons WHY I stick to Opera ( &amp; have since I discovered it ages ago around version 4.x ) : IF you love speed online ( fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too , both YEARS ago - &gt; http : //www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html # win [ howtocreate.co.uk ] , and last year too - &gt; http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] , is Opera 10.5.3315 ( AND , also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less , passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again - &gt; http : //www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [ pcpro.co.uk ] ( which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too , but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all , for once , in that area ) ) AND if you love security too !
) = = = = SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE : = = = = Opera 10.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 5 Secunia advisories ) ----FireFox 3.6x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 0 \ % ( 0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but , they 've consistently over time had more than Opera , &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually ) ----Internet Explorer 8.x : http : //secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [ secunia.com ] Unpatched 44 \ % ( 4 of 9 Secunia advisories ) = = = = " Read 'em &amp; weep " ...Opera 's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too , year-in &amp; year-out... ( or , moreso typically than the other 2 of the " big 3 " , that is ) - and features ? Opera 's got features most browsers need " bolted on " addons for , except Opera has them natively ( as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well , IF you need that kind of thing ( I really do not , it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking , script blocks or accepts BY SITE ( via its various .ini files it has ) too &amp; more , far more ) .APKP.S. = &gt; So , in the end ?
For better SPEED online ( both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing ) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE ?
Go Opera... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?
" - by Animaether (411575) on Friday March 19, @09:06AM (#31536478)You're speaking to one now - Polish-American here, &amp; here are the reasons WHY I stick to Opera (&amp; have since I discovered it ages ago around version 4.x):IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -&gt; http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win [howtocreate.co.uk] , and last year too -&gt; http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm [cnet.co.uk] , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -&gt; http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 [pcpro.co.uk] (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!
)====SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:====Opera 10.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)----FireFox 3.6x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 0\% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, &amp; more left unpatched too + for longer usually)----Internet Explorer 8.x:http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/ [secunia.com]Unpatched 44\% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)===="Read 'em &amp; weep"...Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in &amp; year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too &amp; more, far more).APKP.S.=&gt; So, in the end?
For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE?
Go Opera... apk
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536002</id>
	<title>Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse</p></div></blockquote><p>The same could be said for only a single browser existing.</p><p>What a multitude of browsers do, is promote progress and innovation. Now \_that\_ we surely do want.</p></div>
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<tokenext>A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browseThe same could be said for only a single browser existing.What a multitude of browsers do , is promote progress and innovation .
Now \ _that \ _ we surely do want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browseThe same could be said for only a single browser existing.What a multitude of browsers do, is promote progress and innovation.
Now \_that\_ we surely do want.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539242</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>kyrio</author>
	<datestamp>1269018300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I test my sites against Opera. I don't care about other browsers. If I'm working with ad placement I'll test the site in IE to see if it's working since Opera blocks every ad with a simple urlfilter.ini.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I test my sites against Opera .
I do n't care about other browsers .
If I 'm working with ad placement I 'll test the site in IE to see if it 's working since Opera blocks every ad with a simple urlfilter.ini .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I test my sites against Opera.
I don't care about other browsers.
If I'm working with ad placement I'll test the site in IE to see if it's working since Opera blocks every ad with a simple urlfilter.ini.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31542456</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>raphael75</author>
	<datestamp>1269030720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You obviously haven't seen ie's 20\% market share loss over the last 3 years...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously have n't seen ie 's 20 \ % market share loss over the last 3 years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously haven't seen ie's 20\% market share loss over the last 3 years...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536576</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1269011460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the standards do suck ass.</p><p>I mean, CSS (IMO at least) was completely useless for serious website development until version 3, when it finally gained columns. *Columns!!* One of the most fundamental page layout concepts, and CSS didn't get it until version 3.0! Sure, you could make a box with a dotted top border and a dashed bottom border, but you can't make two fucking columns without workarounds. It still doesn't have math, making simple constructs like "5px + 3em" impossible. (You can't do the math at design-time because you don't know what an "em" is until run-time.)</p><p>Frankly, I have no problems with browser makers extending the standards when the standards suck... especially DOM.</p><p>For example, I've written a Javascript tag that does cool things to a webpage and can be either included on the page HTML itself, or can be loaded through a bookmarklet. The problem is, IE is the *only* browser that lets this script ask if the page is fully loaded if the script is dropped on the page after the page is loaded. All the more W3C-compliant browsers only let you install a handler on the Load or Pageshow event... if that event's already fired, you're fucked, since it never fires twice. The (completely retarded) work-around is to have my JS actually search the DOM tree to find a script tag including itself for non-IE browsers.</p><p>This is one of those cases where the Microsoft engineers who wrote their particular extension of DOM were *much better* at writing the standard than the W3C was, since they anticipated and compensated for a use case the W3C apparently didn't even bother thinking about.</p><p>Also: would it kill the W3C-compliant browsers to add "innerText" to DOM? Just alias it to "textContent." Or to alias attachEvent to addEventListener? You'd get massive compatibility wins for adding it and it would take like 10 minutes of work. If the W3C were smart, they'd just add those into the standards anyway since so many sites already use them. (Whoever came up with textContent when innerHTML already existed should be smacked.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the standards do suck ass.I mean , CSS ( IMO at least ) was completely useless for serious website development until version 3 , when it finally gained columns .
* Columns ! ! * One of the most fundamental page layout concepts , and CSS did n't get it until version 3.0 !
Sure , you could make a box with a dotted top border and a dashed bottom border , but you ca n't make two fucking columns without workarounds .
It still does n't have math , making simple constructs like " 5px + 3em " impossible .
( You ca n't do the math at design-time because you do n't know what an " em " is until run-time .
) Frankly , I have no problems with browser makers extending the standards when the standards suck... especially DOM.For example , I 've written a Javascript tag that does cool things to a webpage and can be either included on the page HTML itself , or can be loaded through a bookmarklet .
The problem is , IE is the * only * browser that lets this script ask if the page is fully loaded if the script is dropped on the page after the page is loaded .
All the more W3C-compliant browsers only let you install a handler on the Load or Pageshow event... if that event 's already fired , you 're fucked , since it never fires twice .
The ( completely retarded ) work-around is to have my JS actually search the DOM tree to find a script tag including itself for non-IE browsers.This is one of those cases where the Microsoft engineers who wrote their particular extension of DOM were * much better * at writing the standard than the W3C was , since they anticipated and compensated for a use case the W3C apparently did n't even bother thinking about.Also : would it kill the W3C-compliant browsers to add " innerText " to DOM ?
Just alias it to " textContent .
" Or to alias attachEvent to addEventListener ?
You 'd get massive compatibility wins for adding it and it would take like 10 minutes of work .
If the W3C were smart , they 'd just add those into the standards anyway since so many sites already use them .
( Whoever came up with textContent when innerHTML already existed should be smacked .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the standards do suck ass.I mean, CSS (IMO at least) was completely useless for serious website development until version 3, when it finally gained columns.
*Columns!!* One of the most fundamental page layout concepts, and CSS didn't get it until version 3.0!
Sure, you could make a box with a dotted top border and a dashed bottom border, but you can't make two fucking columns without workarounds.
It still doesn't have math, making simple constructs like "5px + 3em" impossible.
(You can't do the math at design-time because you don't know what an "em" is until run-time.
)Frankly, I have no problems with browser makers extending the standards when the standards suck... especially DOM.For example, I've written a Javascript tag that does cool things to a webpage and can be either included on the page HTML itself, or can be loaded through a bookmarklet.
The problem is, IE is the *only* browser that lets this script ask if the page is fully loaded if the script is dropped on the page after the page is loaded.
All the more W3C-compliant browsers only let you install a handler on the Load or Pageshow event... if that event's already fired, you're fucked, since it never fires twice.
The (completely retarded) work-around is to have my JS actually search the DOM tree to find a script tag including itself for non-IE browsers.This is one of those cases where the Microsoft engineers who wrote their particular extension of DOM were *much better* at writing the standard than the W3C was, since they anticipated and compensated for a use case the W3C apparently didn't even bother thinking about.Also: would it kill the W3C-compliant browsers to add "innerText" to DOM?
Just alias it to "textContent.
" Or to alias attachEvent to addEventListener?
You'd get massive compatibility wins for adding it and it would take like 10 minutes of work.
If the W3C were smart, they'd just add those into the standards anyway since so many sites already use them.
(Whoever came up with textContent when innerHTML already existed should be smacked.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537706</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>netsharc</author>
	<datestamp>1269014220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was an anecdote on one of the Opera employee's blogs on how they looking to buy new servers, which nowadays are of course managed via a web-interface. They got offers and test equipment from some server companies, and one of the higher ups in the company was doing the evaluation, so he had to use the web-interface. He opened it up in his browser (you can guess which it is he's using), and immediately came the pop-up message "This browser is not supported".</p><p>Interestingly Microsoft offers Virtual PC VM's with Windows XP and different IE versions in them, it's on their site somewhere, if you google for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an anecdote on one of the Opera employee 's blogs on how they looking to buy new servers , which nowadays are of course managed via a web-interface .
They got offers and test equipment from some server companies , and one of the higher ups in the company was doing the evaluation , so he had to use the web-interface .
He opened it up in his browser ( you can guess which it is he 's using ) , and immediately came the pop-up message " This browser is not supported " .Interestingly Microsoft offers Virtual PC VM 's with Windows XP and different IE versions in them , it 's on their site somewhere , if you google for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an anecdote on one of the Opera employee's blogs on how they looking to buy new servers, which nowadays are of course managed via a web-interface.
They got offers and test equipment from some server companies, and one of the higher ups in the company was doing the evaluation, so he had to use the web-interface.
He opened it up in his browser (you can guess which it is he's using), and immediately came the pop-up message "This browser is not supported".Interestingly Microsoft offers Virtual PC VM's with Windows XP and different IE versions in them, it's on their site somewhere, if you google for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539644</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Carewolf</author>
	<datestamp>1269019620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No the "testing burden" is exactly the same. The same as it always have been. It just increases the pressure on some web-developers to get of their lazy ass and lift their burden.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No the " testing burden " is exactly the same .
The same as it always have been .
It just increases the pressure on some web-developers to get of their lazy ass and lift their burden .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No the "testing burden" is exactly the same.
The same as it always have been.
It just increases the pressure on some web-developers to get of their lazy ass and lift their burden.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539368</id>
	<title>Re:an anti-swpat company doing well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269018720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That may be true, but personally, I lost all respect for Opera when they blamed their lack of user base on Microsoft.</p><p>Instead, of finding a scapegoat, they should have acknowledged that they are doing something wrong. I'm getting sick of companies who blame their lackluster performance on "anti-competitive practices" by other companies. Yes I'll acknowledge the browser ballot is nice (even though its odd that Opera didn't demand the same for OSX), but its pathetic that Opera software resorted to name calling. I sincerely hope that Opera doesn't become a stronger player in the browser market, because I'd say they are no better than McBride or Steve Jobs (who seems to rubbish anything which isn't Apple)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That may be true , but personally , I lost all respect for Opera when they blamed their lack of user base on Microsoft.Instead , of finding a scapegoat , they should have acknowledged that they are doing something wrong .
I 'm getting sick of companies who blame their lackluster performance on " anti-competitive practices " by other companies .
Yes I 'll acknowledge the browser ballot is nice ( even though its odd that Opera did n't demand the same for OSX ) , but its pathetic that Opera software resorted to name calling .
I sincerely hope that Opera does n't become a stronger player in the browser market , because I 'd say they are no better than McBride or Steve Jobs ( who seems to rubbish anything which is n't Apple )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That may be true, but personally, I lost all respect for Opera when they blamed their lack of user base on Microsoft.Instead, of finding a scapegoat, they should have acknowledged that they are doing something wrong.
I'm getting sick of companies who blame their lackluster performance on "anti-competitive practices" by other companies.
Yes I'll acknowledge the browser ballot is nice (even though its odd that Opera didn't demand the same for OSX), but its pathetic that Opera software resorted to name calling.
I sincerely hope that Opera doesn't become a stronger player in the browser market, because I'd say they are no better than McBride or Steve Jobs (who seems to rubbish anything which isn't Apple)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536332</id>
	<title>Opera support comes from people like me...</title>
	<author>Orga</author>
	<datestamp>1269010800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do some websites look okay?  Because I, the actual engineer on the project use Opera.. and therefore I make sure the page looks alright.  We're tasked with supporting FireFox,  IE 7, we force compatibility mode in 8 because of third party controls that we use and can't influence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do some websites look okay ?
Because I , the actual engineer on the project use Opera.. and therefore I make sure the page looks alright .
We 're tasked with supporting FireFox , IE 7 , we force compatibility mode in 8 because of third party controls that we use and ca n't influence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do some websites look okay?
Because I, the actual engineer on the project use Opera.. and therefore I make sure the page looks alright.
We're tasked with supporting FireFox,  IE 7, we force compatibility mode in 8 because of third party controls that we use and can't influence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540386</id>
	<title>Re:Nintendo?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269022140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Opera <b>is</b> the web browser for the Wii, so I'm sure they're delighted to be the only browser allowed. On the other hand, the Wii browser hasn't had a meaningful update since 2007, only supports Flash 8, no support for audio/video other than flash (e.g. no mp3), can't view PDF... well that's what the official <a href="http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en\_na/channelsInternet.jsp#faqStream" title="nintendo.com" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a> [nintendo.com] says anyway. I stopped using it when I figured out that even Nintendo's own web sites don't work 100\% correctly in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera is the web browser for the Wii , so I 'm sure they 're delighted to be the only browser allowed .
On the other hand , the Wii browser has n't had a meaningful update since 2007 , only supports Flash 8 , no support for audio/video other than flash ( e.g .
no mp3 ) , ca n't view PDF... well that 's what the official FAQ [ nintendo.com ] says anyway .
I stopped using it when I figured out that even Nintendo 's own web sites do n't work 100 \ % correctly in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opera is the web browser for the Wii, so I'm sure they're delighted to be the only browser allowed.
On the other hand, the Wii browser hasn't had a meaningful update since 2007, only supports Flash 8, no support for audio/video other than flash (e.g.
no mp3), can't view PDF... well that's what the official FAQ [nintendo.com] says anyway.
I stopped using it when I figured out that even Nintendo's own web sites don't work 100\% correctly in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537578</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>mikechant</author>
	<datestamp>1269013920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.</i></p><p>Have you by any chance been living in a cave for the last few years?</p><p>Basic EU competition law: *If* Opera was distributed along with 'Opera OS', *and* 'Opera OS' had a 90\% market share, then Opera might well be required to include such a ballot screen or other equivalent requirement.</p><p>As 'Opera OS' does not even exist, they can do what they like. Same for Firefox etc.</p><p>Simple eh?</p><p>And (preemptively) don't bring Apple into it just because they *do* have an OS. It has less than 10\% of the relevant market, so again they are free to do what they like.</p><p>NB US competition laws are very similar but don't seem to be enforced as much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to " promote the competition " in their own product.Have you by any chance been living in a cave for the last few years ? Basic EU competition law : * If * Opera was distributed along with 'Opera OS ' , * and * 'Opera OS ' had a 90 \ % market share , then Opera might well be required to include such a ballot screen or other equivalent requirement.As 'Opera OS ' does not even exist , they can do what they like .
Same for Firefox etc.Simple eh ? And ( preemptively ) do n't bring Apple into it just because they * do * have an OS .
It has less than 10 \ % of the relevant market , so again they are free to do what they like.NB US competition laws are very similar but do n't seem to be enforced as much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.Have you by any chance been living in a cave for the last few years?Basic EU competition law: *If* Opera was distributed along with 'Opera OS', *and* 'Opera OS' had a 90\% market share, then Opera might well be required to include such a ballot screen or other equivalent requirement.As 'Opera OS' does not even exist, they can do what they like.
Same for Firefox etc.Simple eh?And (preemptively) don't bring Apple into it just because they *do* have an OS.
It has less than 10\% of the relevant market, so again they are free to do what they like.NB US competition laws are very similar but don't seem to be enforced as much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31538478</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Gr8Apes</author>
	<datestamp>1269016020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90\% of web developers don't even do that</p></div><p>The last 4 jobs I've had all tested on the current version of Firefox (most devs actually used FF during dev) , the latest version of Safari in the last 3, and IE, fortunately, only versions 7 and 8. We actually had a page up for IE 6 users that recommended an updated browser since IE 6 has so many limitations it's actually disfunctional.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , you 're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8 , Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I 'd guess 90 \ % of web developers do n't even do thatThe last 4 jobs I 've had all tested on the current version of Firefox ( most devs actually used FF during dev ) , the latest version of Safari in the last 3 , and IE , fortunately , only versions 7 and 8 .
We actually had a page up for IE 6 users that recommended an updated browser since IE 6 has so many limitations it 's actually disfunctional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90\% of web developers don't even do thatThe last 4 jobs I've had all tested on the current version of Firefox (most devs actually used FF during dev) , the latest version of Safari in the last 3, and IE, fortunately, only versions 7 and 8.
We actually had a page up for IE 6 users that recommended an updated browser since IE 6 has so many limitations it's actually disfunctional.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536468</id>
	<title>Still haven't seen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269011100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...this ballot screen and don't want to. Thank god we block this "important" update via WSUS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...this ballot screen and do n't want to .
Thank god we block this " important " update via WSUS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...this ballot screen and don't want to.
Thank god we block this "important" update via WSUS!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540400</id>
	<title>multitude of browsers will \_NOT\_ make the web</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269022140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse".</p></div><p>If we all used a single browser, even if it is a broken POS, the web would be more "standardised" and developers would know exactly what everything has to work in.  Instead of testing 3+ browsers, just make it work on the only one around.</p><p>...but I do like a challenge!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse " .If we all used a single browser , even if it is a broken POS , the web would be more " standardised " and developers would know exactly what everything has to work in .
Instead of testing 3 + browsers , just make it work on the only one around....but I do like a challenge !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse".If we all used a single browser, even if it is a broken POS, the web would be more "standardised" and developers would know exactly what everything has to work in.
Instead of testing 3+ browsers, just make it work on the only one around....but I do like a challenge!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536850</id>
	<title>Re:Testing burden</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1269012180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I figure just write your page in perfect compliance and say fuck any browser that fails to <em>currently</em> render it properly. Should one day browsers become compliant to standards they'll be able to work with the pages then and re-writing won't be necessary and you won't have wasted time supporting multiple browsers.</p><p>Of course, this only works on not-important, mission critical web pages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I figure just write your page in perfect compliance and say fuck any browser that fails to currently render it properly .
Should one day browsers become compliant to standards they 'll be able to work with the pages then and re-writing wo n't be necessary and you wo n't have wasted time supporting multiple browsers.Of course , this only works on not-important , mission critical web pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I figure just write your page in perfect compliance and say fuck any browser that fails to currently render it properly.
Should one day browsers become compliant to standards they'll be able to work with the pages then and re-writing won't be necessary and you won't have wasted time supporting multiple browsers.Of course, this only works on not-important, mission critical web pages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536444</id>
	<title>Re:Frist ps0t</title>
	<author>takowl</author>
	<datestamp>1269011040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will appear on new installs of windows, but an automatic update also pushes it to existing installations of XP, Vista and 7. You get a "browser choice" icon on the desktop, and I believe it pops up when you try to use IE.</p><p>Reasons you might not have seen it: You're not in the EU, it's not been rolled out to you yet (they're not doing it all at once), or it may even detect that you already have another browser installed, so decide not to bother you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will appear on new installs of windows , but an automatic update also pushes it to existing installations of XP , Vista and 7 .
You get a " browser choice " icon on the desktop , and I believe it pops up when you try to use IE.Reasons you might not have seen it : You 're not in the EU , it 's not been rolled out to you yet ( they 're not doing it all at once ) , or it may even detect that you already have another browser installed , so decide not to bother you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will appear on new installs of windows, but an automatic update also pushes it to existing installations of XP, Vista and 7.
You get a "browser choice" icon on the desktop, and I believe it pops up when you try to use IE.Reasons you might not have seen it: You're not in the EU, it's not been rolled out to you yet (they're not doing it all at once), or it may even detect that you already have another browser installed, so decide not to bother you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31539774</id>
	<title>Re:Same old mistakes</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1269020100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards.</p></div></blockquote><p>One of those W3C standards is that an element id or name cannot begin with a digit. It can contain digits mind you, it just can't begin with one.</p><p>Most browsers wisely ignored this ridiculous stipulation(It's a string field) and sites could happily use numeric element ids and link to them with impunity. This is still the case in Firefox, Opera, etc, and all the IEs up to 7. However, IE 8, choosing the most ridiculous standard on which to comply, now no longer recognises links with numeric ids, e.g. "page.html#01" no longer works. I have personally had to recode the link across and entire site as a result of this decision.</p><p>Sometimes, not every word of gospel that comes out of W3C is worth following.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward , I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards.One of those W3C standards is that an element id or name can not begin with a digit .
It can contain digits mind you , it just ca n't begin with one.Most browsers wisely ignored this ridiculous stipulation ( It 's a string field ) and sites could happily use numeric element ids and link to them with impunity .
This is still the case in Firefox , Opera , etc , and all the IEs up to 7 .
However , IE 8 , choosing the most ridiculous standard on which to comply , now no longer recognises links with numeric ids , e.g .
" page.html # 01 " no longer works .
I have personally had to recode the link across and entire site as a result of this decision.Sometimes , not every word of gospel that comes out of W3C is worth following .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards.One of those W3C standards is that an element id or name cannot begin with a digit.
It can contain digits mind you, it just can't begin with one.Most browsers wisely ignored this ridiculous stipulation(It's a string field) and sites could happily use numeric element ids and link to them with impunity.
This is still the case in Firefox, Opera, etc, and all the IEs up to 7.
However, IE 8, choosing the most ridiculous standard on which to comply, now no longer recognises links with numeric ids, e.g.
"page.html#01" no longer works.
I have personally had to recode the link across and entire site as a result of this decision.Sometimes, not every word of gospel that comes out of W3C is worth following.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537012</id>
	<title>Re:Give me a break....</title>
	<author>bunratty</author>
	<datestamp>1269012480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft is being treated specially because they have a near monopoly on the desktop operating system market, and they have been abusing this monopoly to promote their own products, such as their web browser, their search engine, and their Office suite. Other companies do not have a monopoly in these areas, and therefore they face an uphill battle in attempting to compete against Microsoft. By promoting other browsers, they're trying to level the playing field to allow more competition, which should result in better products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is being treated specially because they have a near monopoly on the desktop operating system market , and they have been abusing this monopoly to promote their own products , such as their web browser , their search engine , and their Office suite .
Other companies do not have a monopoly in these areas , and therefore they face an uphill battle in attempting to compete against Microsoft .
By promoting other browsers , they 're trying to level the playing field to allow more competition , which should result in better products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is being treated specially because they have a near monopoly on the desktop operating system market, and they have been abusing this monopoly to promote their own products, such as their web browser, their search engine, and their Office suite.
Other companies do not have a monopoly in these areas, and therefore they face an uphill battle in attempting to compete against Microsoft.
By promoting other browsers, they're trying to level the playing field to allow more competition, which should result in better products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31540166</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation/causation</title>
	<author>just\_another\_sean</author>
	<datestamp>1269021360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Regular pages that looked fine in IE and Firefox were completely mangled in Opera, so I gave up and said never again.</p></div><p>See <a href="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,890280,00.asp" title="extremetech.com">here</a> [extremetech.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Regular pages that looked fine in IE and Firefox were completely mangled in Opera , so I gave up and said never again.See here [ extremetech.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regular pages that looked fine in IE and Firefox were completely mangled in Opera, so I gave up and said never again.See here [extremetech.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31535834</id>
	<title>That's very nice Opera</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1269009300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now get back to your rightful place as the weird browser that nobody I know takes seriously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now get back to your rightful place as the weird browser that nobody I know takes seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now get back to your rightful place as the weird browser that nobody I know takes seriously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537080</id>
	<title>Re:IE is the burden.</title>
	<author>HopefulIntern</author>
	<datestamp>1269012660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of my job (at least last summer) was testing software in different browsers. It is a massive pain thanks to IE. I have one test plan for FF/Chrome/Opera as they tend to be the same, then one for IE6, one for IE7 and one for IE8.... All being different, handling content differently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of my job ( at least last summer ) was testing software in different browsers .
It is a massive pain thanks to IE .
I have one test plan for FF/Chrome/Opera as they tend to be the same , then one for IE6 , one for IE7 and one for IE8.... All being different , handling content differently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of my job (at least last summer) was testing software in different browsers.
It is a massive pain thanks to IE.
I have one test plan for FF/Chrome/Opera as they tend to be the same, then one for IE6, one for IE7 and one for IE8.... All being different, handling content differently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536148</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31536608</id>
	<title>Mouse Gestures</title>
	<author>kirill.s</author>
	<datestamp>1269011580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Opera was the first browser to implement mouse gestures. I only switched to FF, when a mouse gestures plugin was made for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera was the first browser to implement mouse gestures .
I only switched to FF , when a mouse gestures plugin was made for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opera was the first browser to implement mouse gestures.
I only switched to FF, when a mouse gestures plugin was made for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_19_1246215.31537376</id>
	<title>Re:I still don't understand</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1269013320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, you must have been living in a cave the past 20 years.  You should come out for air a little more often....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>MS is a convicted monopolist.  They have been fined more than $2,000,000,000 over the years for illegal business practices. The ballot thing is merely the latest remedy imposed by the EU.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , you must have been living in a cave the past 20 years .
You should come out for air a little more often.... ; ) MS is a convicted monopolist .
They have been fined more than $ 2,000,000,000 over the years for illegal business practices .
The ballot thing is merely the latest remedy imposed by the EU .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, you must have been living in a cave the past 20 years.
You should come out for air a little more often.... ;)MS is a convicted monopolist.
They have been fined more than $2,000,000,000 over the years for illegal business practices.
The ballot thing is merely the latest remedy imposed by the EU.
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