<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_15_2252202</id>
	<title>China To Connect Its High-Speed Rail To Europe</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268652300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MikeChino sends in this excerpt from Inhabitat: <i>"China already has the most <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/12/28/china-unveils-the-worlds-fastest-high-speed-train/">advanced</a> and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world, and soon that network will be <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/03/15/china-to-connect-its-high-speed-rail-all-the-way-to-europe/">connected all the way to Europe and the UK</a>. With initial negotiations and surveys already complete, China is now making plans to connect its HSR line through 17 other countries in Asia and Eastern Europe in order to connect to the existing infrastructure in the EU. Additional rail lines will also be built into South East Asia as well as Russia, in what will likely become the largest infrastructure project in history."</i> They hope to get it done within 10 years, with China providing the financing in exchange for raw materials, in some cases.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MikeChino sends in this excerpt from Inhabitat : " China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world , and soon that network will be connected all the way to Europe and the UK .
With initial negotiations and surveys already complete , China is now making plans to connect its HSR line through 17 other countries in Asia and Eastern Europe in order to connect to the existing infrastructure in the EU .
Additional rail lines will also be built into South East Asia as well as Russia , in what will likely become the largest infrastructure project in history .
" They hope to get it done within 10 years , with China providing the financing in exchange for raw materials , in some cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MikeChino sends in this excerpt from Inhabitat: "China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world, and soon that network will be connected all the way to Europe and the UK.
With initial negotiations and surveys already complete, China is now making plans to connect its HSR line through 17 other countries in Asia and Eastern Europe in order to connect to the existing infrastructure in the EU.
Additional rail lines will also be built into South East Asia as well as Russia, in what will likely become the largest infrastructure project in history.
" They hope to get it done within 10 years, with China providing the financing in exchange for raw materials, in some cases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490814</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>DesScorp</author>
	<datestamp>1268664240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.</p></div><p>Yes, because Saudi Arabia is an Oasis of secular humanism now. The very model of a modern enlightenment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling , war and neocolonialism.Yes , because Saudi Arabia is an Oasis of secular humanism now .
The very model of a modern enlightenment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.Yes, because Saudi Arabia is an Oasis of secular humanism now.
The very model of a modern enlightenment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489768</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1268657760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>More trade, which then possibly leads to more stability.</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; No, you didn't read the article, did you? This isn't about trade. China is accepting raw materials from your country in exchange for being hooked up to this rail service. Consider it a giant straw through which China will suck up Asia and Europe's raw materials. China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction, trade contracts, or goods. Goodness knows they have the manpower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More trade , which then possibly leads to more stability .
      No , you did n't read the article , did you ?
This is n't about trade .
China is accepting raw materials from your country in exchange for being hooked up to this rail service .
Consider it a giant straw through which China will suck up Asia and Europe 's raw materials .
China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction , trade contracts , or goods .
Goodness knows they have the manpower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More trade, which then possibly leads to more stability.
      No, you didn't read the article, did you?
This isn't about trade.
China is accepting raw materials from your country in exchange for being hooked up to this rail service.
Consider it a giant straw through which China will suck up Asia and Europe's raw materials.
China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction, trade contracts, or goods.
Goodness knows they have the manpower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493340</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Third Position</author>
	<datestamp>1268740020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is actually one of the best uses for their money. It should help get the development (and population) away from the coast. Brazil had the same problem, but their solution was to move the capitol 600 miles inland.</p></div><p>Well, it's going to get more than high-speed rail to get the population away from the coast. One of the things limiting the population growth inland is the lack of an ample fresh-water supply. The same problem that limits growth to the US's western states.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually one of the best uses for their money .
It should help get the development ( and population ) away from the coast .
Brazil had the same problem , but their solution was to move the capitol 600 miles inland.Well , it 's going to get more than high-speed rail to get the population away from the coast .
One of the things limiting the population growth inland is the lack of an ample fresh-water supply .
The same problem that limits growth to the US 's western states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually one of the best uses for their money.
It should help get the development (and population) away from the coast.
Brazil had the same problem, but their solution was to move the capitol 600 miles inland.Well, it's going to get more than high-speed rail to get the population away from the coast.
One of the things limiting the population growth inland is the lack of an ample fresh-water supply.
The same problem that limits growth to the US's western states.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491410</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268668800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems you know little of railways, less of Eurasian history, and nothing about US investments.</p><div><p><i>and now back to our story...</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems you know little of railways , less of Eurasian history , and nothing about US investments.and now back to our story.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems you know little of railways, less of Eurasian history, and nothing about US investments.and now back to our story...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490976</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>characterZer0</author>
	<datestamp>1268665560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How did you come up with 6-8 Trillion?!</p><p>Detroit to Chicago: 300 miles.<br>LAX to JFK: 2800 miles.</p><p>(2800/300)*2E9 USD = 18.7E9 USD. You are way off.</p><p>The US federal government has loaned 80E9 USD to the GM, GMAC, and Chrysler in the last few years. You could have built Los Angeles to Seattle, Seattle to Boston, Boston to Atlanta, and NY to Los Angeles for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How did you come up with 6-8 Trillion ?
! Detroit to Chicago : 300 miles.LAX to JFK : 2800 miles .
( 2800/300 ) * 2E9 USD = 18.7E9 USD .
You are way off.The US federal government has loaned 80E9 USD to the GM , GMAC , and Chrysler in the last few years .
You could have built Los Angeles to Seattle , Seattle to Boston , Boston to Atlanta , and NY to Los Angeles for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did you come up with 6-8 Trillion?
!Detroit to Chicago: 300 miles.LAX to JFK: 2800 miles.
(2800/300)*2E9 USD = 18.7E9 USD.
You are way off.The US federal government has loaned 80E9 USD to the GM, GMAC, and Chrysler in the last few years.
You could have built Los Angeles to Seattle, Seattle to Boston, Boston to Atlanta, and NY to Los Angeles for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490838</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Jenming</author>
	<datestamp>1268664360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Always hating on religion, in my experience nutbags that won't listen to reason are equally dangerous no matter their creed or lack thereof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Always hating on religion , in my experience nutbags that wo n't listen to reason are equally dangerous no matter their creed or lack thereof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Always hating on religion, in my experience nutbags that won't listen to reason are equally dangerous no matter their creed or lack thereof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494628</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Smuttley</author>
	<datestamp>1268750940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Trans-Manchurian and Trans-Mongolian Railways let you do just that.</p><p>They connect with the Trans-Siberian railway in Siberia and travel to Beijing. The first through north east china and the second through Mongolia.</p><p>This means you can get a Train to take you all the way from Moscow to Beijing without having to change. It takes over 6 days and is a great journey.</p><p>When the train reaches china they pick it up and change the bogies (wheels) as the gauge on the tracks is different.</p><p>I totally recommend this trip, although rather than do the whole 6 day trip in one go you may prefer to stop off in Siberia and Mongolia for a few days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Trans-Manchurian and Trans-Mongolian Railways let you do just that.They connect with the Trans-Siberian railway in Siberia and travel to Beijing .
The first through north east china and the second through Mongolia.This means you can get a Train to take you all the way from Moscow to Beijing without having to change .
It takes over 6 days and is a great journey.When the train reaches china they pick it up and change the bogies ( wheels ) as the gauge on the tracks is different.I totally recommend this trip , although rather than do the whole 6 day trip in one go you may prefer to stop off in Siberia and Mongolia for a few days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Trans-Manchurian and Trans-Mongolian Railways let you do just that.They connect with the Trans-Siberian railway in Siberia and travel to Beijing.
The first through north east china and the second through Mongolia.This means you can get a Train to take you all the way from Moscow to Beijing without having to change.
It takes over 6 days and is a great journey.When the train reaches china they pick it up and change the bogies (wheels) as the gauge on the tracks is different.I totally recommend this trip, although rather than do the whole 6 day trip in one go you may prefer to stop off in Siberia and Mongolia for a few days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490722</id>
	<title>But will they call it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268663700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the <strong>Orient Express</strong>?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the Orient Express ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the Orient Express?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490046</id>
	<title>High Speed Rail and Freight are Mutually Exclusive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268659380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't run high-speed rail and freight on the same tracks. It's because of the weight of freight cars. They can physically bend the rail enough for you to see it happening. So, the track doesn't stay in sufficient calibration to use for high-speed rail. Indeed, the first thing you do, if you want high-speed rail, is build an exclusive track line.</p><p>To be used for freight a system like this would need four tracks at a minimum. Two for passenger and two for freight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't run high-speed rail and freight on the same tracks .
It 's because of the weight of freight cars .
They can physically bend the rail enough for you to see it happening .
So , the track does n't stay in sufficient calibration to use for high-speed rail .
Indeed , the first thing you do , if you want high-speed rail , is build an exclusive track line.To be used for freight a system like this would need four tracks at a minimum .
Two for passenger and two for freight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't run high-speed rail and freight on the same tracks.
It's because of the weight of freight cars.
They can physically bend the rail enough for you to see it happening.
So, the track doesn't stay in sufficient calibration to use for high-speed rail.
Indeed, the first thing you do, if you want high-speed rail, is build an exclusive track line.To be used for freight a system like this would need four tracks at a minimum.
Two for passenger and two for freight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491896</id>
	<title>Re:High Speed Rail and Freight are Mutually Exclus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268673780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My take is that the rail links between China and India are abysmal so they need to be rebuilt anyways.  If I were China (or India) I would be looking at double-stacked, double-tracked freight.  Once you've laid that much bed and wire, it is almost trivial to throw in an extra high-speed rail for passengers and fast freight.  You don't really need two because high-speed trains will be a lot less frequent than subways and a lot shorter than freights so you can get away with a passing lane every, for example, 450 km (300km/hr trains every 3 hr).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My take is that the rail links between China and India are abysmal so they need to be rebuilt anyways .
If I were China ( or India ) I would be looking at double-stacked , double-tracked freight .
Once you 've laid that much bed and wire , it is almost trivial to throw in an extra high-speed rail for passengers and fast freight .
You do n't really need two because high-speed trains will be a lot less frequent than subways and a lot shorter than freights so you can get away with a passing lane every , for example , 450 km ( 300km/hr trains every 3 hr ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My take is that the rail links between China and India are abysmal so they need to be rebuilt anyways.
If I were China (or India) I would be looking at double-stacked, double-tracked freight.
Once you've laid that much bed and wire, it is almost trivial to throw in an extra high-speed rail for passengers and fast freight.
You don't really need two because high-speed trains will be a lot less frequent than subways and a lot shorter than freights so you can get away with a passing lane every, for example, 450 km (300km/hr trains every 3 hr).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492758</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268731800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I suppose technically Germany was France's number one trading partner in 1940, but that was only because Germany occupied much of France at that time.  For much of the world the Second World War started in 1939, not 1941.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I suppose technically Germany was France 's number one trading partner in 1940 , but that was only because Germany occupied much of France at that time .
For much of the world the Second World War started in 1939 , not 1941 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I suppose technically Germany was France's number one trading partner in 1940, but that was only because Germany occupied much of France at that time.
For much of the world the Second World War started in 1939, not 1941.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495708</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268754780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the biggest problems with rail is the very poor last-mile infrastructure to move people. Freight is not a problem, as they're well built out privately, but public transportation is crap in most places, and a taxi or cab would negate the economics of taking a train over driving. Hell, the NYC subway is one of the two major systems that even runs 24 hours a day.</p><p>The issue partly is due to the size, and population density of most places, especially major metropolitian areas. Metro areas are simply too large, and populaton density in all but the most tightly-packed cities are too low. It makes it both economically infeasible and inefficient to provide a decent mass transportation system.</p><p>The other issue is due to the American fixation on cars. Everything is designed with driving in mind. In fact, suburbia itself is a direct result of this mentality. I'm not sure if it's because the car is an American invention, or if people are just too lazy to walk, but this has resulted in prioritizing vehicles when engineering transportation.</p><p>If they ripped up the middle 2 lanes of every highway and replaced it with rail with a station at every exit, I'll bet that'll solve the congestion problem in many places. But such a project would take years to complete, and nobody'd want to take the inevitable traffic hit during construction of the rail system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the biggest problems with rail is the very poor last-mile infrastructure to move people .
Freight is not a problem , as they 're well built out privately , but public transportation is crap in most places , and a taxi or cab would negate the economics of taking a train over driving .
Hell , the NYC subway is one of the two major systems that even runs 24 hours a day.The issue partly is due to the size , and population density of most places , especially major metropolitian areas .
Metro areas are simply too large , and populaton density in all but the most tightly-packed cities are too low .
It makes it both economically infeasible and inefficient to provide a decent mass transportation system.The other issue is due to the American fixation on cars .
Everything is designed with driving in mind .
In fact , suburbia itself is a direct result of this mentality .
I 'm not sure if it 's because the car is an American invention , or if people are just too lazy to walk , but this has resulted in prioritizing vehicles when engineering transportation.If they ripped up the middle 2 lanes of every highway and replaced it with rail with a station at every exit , I 'll bet that 'll solve the congestion problem in many places .
But such a project would take years to complete , and nobody 'd want to take the inevitable traffic hit during construction of the rail system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the biggest problems with rail is the very poor last-mile infrastructure to move people.
Freight is not a problem, as they're well built out privately, but public transportation is crap in most places, and a taxi or cab would negate the economics of taking a train over driving.
Hell, the NYC subway is one of the two major systems that even runs 24 hours a day.The issue partly is due to the size, and population density of most places, especially major metropolitian areas.
Metro areas are simply too large, and populaton density in all but the most tightly-packed cities are too low.
It makes it both economically infeasible and inefficient to provide a decent mass transportation system.The other issue is due to the American fixation on cars.
Everything is designed with driving in mind.
In fact, suburbia itself is a direct result of this mentality.
I'm not sure if it's because the car is an American invention, or if people are just too lazy to walk, but this has resulted in prioritizing vehicles when engineering transportation.If they ripped up the middle 2 lanes of every highway and replaced it with rail with a station at every exit, I'll bet that'll solve the congestion problem in many places.
But such a project would take years to complete, and nobody'd want to take the inevitable traffic hit during construction of the rail system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489878</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268658540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy knows whats going on. People don't work together because it's fun, they work together to get things accomplished. I'm a little worried about China being in control (who knows if or what they could do restrict it), but it is still better than not doing it.
<p>
Ironic... The Motor of the World being built by the Chinese : )
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy knows whats going on .
People do n't work together because it 's fun , they work together to get things accomplished .
I 'm a little worried about China being in control ( who knows if or what they could do restrict it ) , but it is still better than not doing it .
Ironic... The Motor of the World being built by the Chinese : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy knows whats going on.
People don't work together because it's fun, they work together to get things accomplished.
I'm a little worried about China being in control (who knows if or what they could do restrict it), but it is still better than not doing it.
Ironic... The Motor of the World being built by the Chinese : )
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490982</id>
	<title>Ah, that old chestnut again</title>
	<author>DesScorp</author>
	<datestamp>1268665620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>These Asian folks think long term, unlike short-sighted Western politicians.</i></p></div><p>Rubbish. China is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, and yet it's just now climbing out of a third world status that it's been in for centuries. They're human, fallible as anyone else. They have no more wisdom, insight, or patience than any of their competitors. Looking at their industrial pollution situation, and the race to catch up to the West, they may well have less. They slaughtered and starved hundreds of thousands of their own people... perhaps millions, considering their great famines... in their "Great Leap Forward".  The Chinese are not any more wise or farsighted than anyone else. What they <i>are</i>, right now, is driven.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These Asian folks think long term , unlike short-sighted Western politicians.Rubbish .
China is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth , and yet it 's just now climbing out of a third world status that it 's been in for centuries .
They 're human , fallible as anyone else .
They have no more wisdom , insight , or patience than any of their competitors .
Looking at their industrial pollution situation , and the race to catch up to the West , they may well have less .
They slaughtered and starved hundreds of thousands of their own people... perhaps millions , considering their great famines... in their " Great Leap Forward " .
The Chinese are not any more wise or farsighted than anyone else .
What they are , right now , is driven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> These Asian folks think long term, unlike short-sighted Western politicians.Rubbish.
China is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, and yet it's just now climbing out of a third world status that it's been in for centuries.
They're human, fallible as anyone else.
They have no more wisdom, insight, or patience than any of their competitors.
Looking at their industrial pollution situation, and the race to catch up to the West, they may well have less.
They slaughtered and starved hundreds of thousands of their own people... perhaps millions, considering their great famines... in their "Great Leap Forward".
The Chinese are not any more wise or farsighted than anyone else.
What they are, right now, is driven.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490342</id>
	<title>And I thought Alaska...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268661060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would be the first to go.  Obviously this is all a nefarious plot for China to set up troop-transport systems and invade Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would be the first to go .
Obviously this is all a nefarious plot for China to set up troop-transport systems and invade Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would be the first to go.
Obviously this is all a nefarious plot for China to set up troop-transport systems and invade Europe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493296</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268739480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>status? </p><p>not told[] </p><p>told[X]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>status ?
not told [ ] told [ X ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>status?
not told[] told[X]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492924</id>
	<title>Don't know</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1268733720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Air travel is fast and all but also bloody inconvenient. Slower rail travel could be a lot easier, no chance of being diverted, more cargo, safer, more comfortable.
</p><p>Air travel has gotten popular mainly because the alternatives are far worse and long distance rail travel is often impossible. But I have actually taken the train to Italy and swiss years ago, and damn it was comfortable. Yes, it takes longer, but if you are on a holiday, then just maybe doing the Orient Express as part of the journey is actually a bit intresting? More intresting then being a sardine for half a day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Air travel is fast and all but also bloody inconvenient .
Slower rail travel could be a lot easier , no chance of being diverted , more cargo , safer , more comfortable .
Air travel has gotten popular mainly because the alternatives are far worse and long distance rail travel is often impossible .
But I have actually taken the train to Italy and swiss years ago , and damn it was comfortable .
Yes , it takes longer , but if you are on a holiday , then just maybe doing the Orient Express as part of the journey is actually a bit intresting ?
More intresting then being a sardine for half a day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Air travel is fast and all but also bloody inconvenient.
Slower rail travel could be a lot easier, no chance of being diverted, more cargo, safer, more comfortable.
Air travel has gotten popular mainly because the alternatives are far worse and long distance rail travel is often impossible.
But I have actually taken the train to Italy and swiss years ago, and damn it was comfortable.
Yes, it takes longer, but if you are on a holiday, then just maybe doing the Orient Express as part of the journey is actually a bit intresting?
More intresting then being a sardine for half a day?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493382</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268740920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work. If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe. On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).</p></div><p>If the new, Chinese railway is to be a high-speed line, then it will have to be all new engineering on a new alignment. You can't really convert old railways; they tend to curve too much. If it's a separate line, then the sponsors get to choose the track gauge.</p><p>There was no problem with track-gauge difference between the UK and north-west Europe. Most European countries chose the nearest metric equivalent of 4' 8.5" when they started with railways. There used to be a discrepancy of ~5mm (IIRC; not sure about the figure) but it was within the tolerances anyway. Late in the 20th centuary, British railways formally adopted the UIC track gauge - the metricized 4' 8.5" - as the national standard.</p><p>There is, however, a big discrepancy in the loading gauge - the space left between and inside structures for the trains. British loading gauge is smaller than UIC standard for most lines, for historical reasons. Recently, since the channel tunnel opened, some British lines have been opened out to larger loading gauge to help freight interchange. And the recent high-speed line from London to the tunnel is to the proper loading gauge.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work .
If I remember correctly , that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe .
On the other hand , if this becomes cheap enough for car travel ( which it probably already is ) , Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country ( unless the US decides to invest in itself ) .If the new , Chinese railway is to be a high-speed line , then it will have to be all new engineering on a new alignment .
You ca n't really convert old railways ; they tend to curve too much .
If it 's a separate line , then the sponsors get to choose the track gauge.There was no problem with track-gauge difference between the UK and north-west Europe .
Most European countries chose the nearest metric equivalent of 4 ' 8.5 " when they started with railways .
There used to be a discrepancy of ~ 5mm ( IIRC ; not sure about the figure ) but it was within the tolerances anyway .
Late in the 20th centuary , British railways formally adopted the UIC track gauge - the metricized 4 ' 8.5 " - as the national standard.There is , however , a big discrepancy in the loading gauge - the space left between and inside structures for the trains .
British loading gauge is smaller than UIC standard for most lines , for historical reasons .
Recently , since the channel tunnel opened , some British lines have been opened out to larger loading gauge to help freight interchange .
And the recent high-speed line from London to the tunnel is to the proper loading gauge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.
If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.
On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).If the new, Chinese railway is to be a high-speed line, then it will have to be all new engineering on a new alignment.
You can't really convert old railways; they tend to curve too much.
If it's a separate line, then the sponsors get to choose the track gauge.There was no problem with track-gauge difference between the UK and north-west Europe.
Most European countries chose the nearest metric equivalent of 4' 8.5" when they started with railways.
There used to be a discrepancy of ~5mm (IIRC; not sure about the figure) but it was within the tolerances anyway.
Late in the 20th centuary, British railways formally adopted the UIC track gauge - the metricized 4' 8.5" - as the national standard.There is, however, a big discrepancy in the loading gauge - the space left between and inside structures for the trains.
British loading gauge is smaller than UIC standard for most lines, for historical reasons.
Recently, since the channel tunnel opened, some British lines have been opened out to larger loading gauge to help freight interchange.
And the recent high-speed line from London to the tunnel is to the proper loading gauge.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490166</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1268660040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is actually one of the best uses for their money. It should help get the development (and population) away from the coast. Brazil had the same problem, but their solution was to move the capitol 600 miles inland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually one of the best uses for their money .
It should help get the development ( and population ) away from the coast .
Brazil had the same problem , but their solution was to move the capitol 600 miles inland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually one of the best uses for their money.
It should help get the development (and population) away from the coast.
Brazil had the same problem, but their solution was to move the capitol 600 miles inland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31496040</id>
	<title>helped make Russia #2 economic power</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1268755920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Russian trans-Asian railroad connected the people and capital of the west with the raw material of the East.  China's project would be an update of this.  It would be nice to shorten a trip of over a week to a couple days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Russian trans-Asian railroad connected the people and capital of the west with the raw material of the East .
China 's project would be an update of this .
It would be nice to shorten a trip of over a week to a couple days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Russian trans-Asian railroad connected the people and capital of the west with the raw material of the East.
China's project would be an update of this.
It would be nice to shorten a trip of over a week to a couple days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489702</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268657340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>our economy is going down the tubes.</p></div><p>That's e-commerce for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>our economy is going down the tubes.That 's e-commerce for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>our economy is going down the tubes.That's e-commerce for you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491314</id>
	<title>Hurts when others do it ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268668080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The developed world has done it for long - so why not china ? Amazon forests are not being cleared for Brazilians to use - it is to see - to US, EU and now China. Cash is king - and China has Cash while US has debts. China took the fumes and manufactured crap for the US... and next time to see what else US has to offer. ANWR maybe ??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The developed world has done it for long - so why not china ?
Amazon forests are not being cleared for Brazilians to use - it is to see - to US , EU and now China .
Cash is king - and China has Cash while US has debts .
China took the fumes and manufactured crap for the US... and next time to see what else US has to offer .
ANWR maybe ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The developed world has done it for long - so why not china ?
Amazon forests are not being cleared for Brazilians to use - it is to see - to US, EU and now China.
Cash is king - and China has Cash while US has debts.
China took the fumes and manufactured crap for the US... and next time to see what else US has to offer.
ANWR maybe ?
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491844</id>
	<title>It will be more cool if they build a HSR</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1268673300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from Beijing to Buenos Aires via Shenyang, Harbin, Khabarovsk (Russia), Magadan (Russia),   Anchorage, Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Tijuana, Mexico City, Guatemala, San Miguel (El Salvador), Managua (Nicaragua), Santo Domingo, Santiago (Costa Rica), Panama, Bogota (Columbia), Caracas (Venezuela), Georgetown (Guyana), Sao Luis , Brasilia, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, Montevideo (Uruguay), and finally Buenos Aires.</p><p>No more TSA full body scan bull shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from Beijing to Buenos Aires via Shenyang , Harbin , Khabarovsk ( Russia ) , Magadan ( Russia ) , Anchorage , Vancouver , Seattle , San Francisco , Los Angeles , San Diego , Tijuana , Mexico City , Guatemala , San Miguel ( El Salvador ) , Managua ( Nicaragua ) , Santo Domingo , Santiago ( Costa Rica ) , Panama , Bogota ( Columbia ) , Caracas ( Venezuela ) , Georgetown ( Guyana ) , Sao Luis , Brasilia , Rio de Janeiro , Porto Alegre , Montevideo ( Uruguay ) , and finally Buenos Aires.No more TSA full body scan bull shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from Beijing to Buenos Aires via Shenyang, Harbin, Khabarovsk (Russia), Magadan (Russia),   Anchorage, Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Tijuana, Mexico City, Guatemala, San Miguel (El Salvador), Managua (Nicaragua), Santo Domingo, Santiago (Costa Rica), Panama, Bogota (Columbia), Caracas (Venezuela), Georgetown (Guyana), Sao Luis , Brasilia, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, Montevideo (Uruguay), and finally Buenos Aires.No more TSA full body scan bull shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494092</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>yzstone</author>
	<datestamp>1268748240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't believe you are living in China right now.  Have you ever read any Chinese news about the HSR from Wuhan to Guangzhou, which is service already?  You may have a look at the following map:
<a href="http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/01/12/high-speed-rail-in-china/" title="thetransportpolitic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/01/12/high-speed-rail-in-china/</a> [thetransportpolitic.com] <p><div class="quote"><p>I'm a French guy living in China. Reading that China has the "most advanced [...] high-speed rail lines in the world" makes me jump on my chair. The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed, most of the time, they aren't even reaching 200. China is just building it's first Shanghai to Beijing in 3:30 thanks to the French technology (to be ready later this year). It still takes 40 hours to travel from Shanghai to Wulumuqi. Exactly where is the advance here? The most advanced country in the world for train is France, with over 6 lines at 320+ km/h all over the (small) country and extending to the rest of Europe (Spain, London, Amsterdam)!</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe you are living in China right now .
Have you ever read any Chinese news about the HSR from Wuhan to Guangzhou , which is service already ?
You may have a look at the following map : http : //www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/01/12/high-speed-rail-in-china/ [ thetransportpolitic.com ] I 'm a French guy living in China .
Reading that China has the " most advanced [ ... ] high-speed rail lines in the world " makes me jump on my chair .
The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed , most of the time , they are n't even reaching 200 .
China is just building it 's first Shanghai to Beijing in 3 : 30 thanks to the French technology ( to be ready later this year ) .
It still takes 40 hours to travel from Shanghai to Wulumuqi .
Exactly where is the advance here ?
The most advanced country in the world for train is France , with over 6 lines at 320 + km/h all over the ( small ) country and extending to the rest of Europe ( Spain , London , Amsterdam ) !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe you are living in China right now.
Have you ever read any Chinese news about the HSR from Wuhan to Guangzhou, which is service already?
You may have a look at the following map:
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/01/12/high-speed-rail-in-china/ [thetransportpolitic.com] I'm a French guy living in China.
Reading that China has the "most advanced [...] high-speed rail lines in the world" makes me jump on my chair.
The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed, most of the time, they aren't even reaching 200.
China is just building it's first Shanghai to Beijing in 3:30 thanks to the French technology (to be ready later this year).
It still takes 40 hours to travel from Shanghai to Wulumuqi.
Exactly where is the advance here?
The most advanced country in the world for train is France, with over 6 lines at 320+ km/h all over the (small) country and extending to the rest of Europe (Spain, London, Amsterdam)!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491832</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268673120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A decade my ass. Clinton was so buddy buddy with the Repubs that monetarily and business-wise they've been runnin things uninterrupted for 30 years now. It started with Reganomics and ended with massive bailouts. My entire life has been lived in the Republican economic bubble!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A decade my ass .
Clinton was so buddy buddy with the Repubs that monetarily and business-wise they 've been runnin things uninterrupted for 30 years now .
It started with Reganomics and ended with massive bailouts .
My entire life has been lived in the Republican economic bubble !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A decade my ass.
Clinton was so buddy buddy with the Repubs that monetarily and business-wise they've been runnin things uninterrupted for 30 years now.
It started with Reganomics and ended with massive bailouts.
My entire life has been lived in the Republican economic bubble!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31567950</id>
	<title>Well, the invasion forces...</title>
	<author>docwatson223</author>
	<datestamp>1269271620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have to get there *somehow*.  The Chinese continue to fight the Thousand Year War while the rest of us cant see beyond this afternoon's TV show. Bow to your Chinese masters!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have to get there * somehow * .
The Chinese continue to fight the Thousand Year War while the rest of us cant see beyond this afternoon 's TV show .
Bow to your Chinese masters !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have to get there *somehow*.
The Chinese continue to fight the Thousand Year War while the rest of us cant see beyond this afternoon's TV show.
Bow to your Chinese masters!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489478</id>
	<title>That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268656260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe. Maybe it's a bit of a vanity project. But you have to admit, it's pretty damn cool. I think it would make more sense if the rail connection were not high speed, since most of what's transported will be freight, and moving freight at 350k/h is a big waste of energy. But whatever, it's freaking cool!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it 's high speed , I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe .
Maybe it 's a bit of a vanity project .
But you have to admit , it 's pretty damn cool .
I think it would make more sense if the rail connection were not high speed , since most of what 's transported will be freight , and moving freight at 350k/h is a big waste of energy .
But whatever , it 's freaking cool !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.
Maybe it's a bit of a vanity project.
But you have to admit, it's pretty damn cool.
I think it would make more sense if the rail connection were not high speed, since most of what's transported will be freight, and moving freight at 350k/h is a big waste of energy.
But whatever, it's freaking cool!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489558</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268656680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More trade, which then possibly leads to more stability.  History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations.  It's the only reasonable hope we humans have to world peace.  It's not the lovey-dovey ideal peace, but it's something.</p><p>The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that won't listen to reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More trade , which then possibly leads to more stability .
History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful , albeit sometimes tense , negotiations .
It 's the only reasonable hope we humans have to world peace .
It 's not the lovey-dovey ideal peace , but it 's something.The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that wo n't listen to reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More trade, which then possibly leads to more stability.
History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations.
It's the only reasonable hope we humans have to world peace.
It's not the lovey-dovey ideal peace, but it's something.The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that won't listen to reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495276</id>
	<title>Railcards</title>
	<author>xyph0r</author>
	<datestamp>1268753160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will this be covered by our railcards?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this be covered by our railcards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this be covered by our railcards?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491150</id>
	<title>Mass Immigration</title>
	<author>RadiusQ</author>
	<datestamp>1268666820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure if China has thought this through. Have they considered the real possibility of a mass wave of immigration from economically unstable countries like the UK?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if China has thought this through .
Have they considered the real possibility of a mass wave of immigration from economically unstable countries like the UK ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if China has thought this through.
Have they considered the real possibility of a mass wave of immigration from economically unstable countries like the UK?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491706</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268671860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think those debates or political schemes are anything new?  US politics has worked that way for two centuries, and Europeans have always said how much better things were in Europe.  But millions who have voted with their feet and emigrated to the US, and the US managed to hold together during all that time, while Europe murdered millions of Jews, fought two world wars, and had military dictatorships and internal strife until the late 20th century.</p><p>And today, Europe isn't doing well at all: high and rising social expenditures and commitments, an aging population, continued distrust between European member nations and lack of a European identity, and an inability to defend itself and its interests.</p><p>Don't worry about the US, the US will muddle through.  You should rather be worried about wherever it is you are coming from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think those debates or political schemes are anything new ?
US politics has worked that way for two centuries , and Europeans have always said how much better things were in Europe .
But millions who have voted with their feet and emigrated to the US , and the US managed to hold together during all that time , while Europe murdered millions of Jews , fought two world wars , and had military dictatorships and internal strife until the late 20th century.And today , Europe is n't doing well at all : high and rising social expenditures and commitments , an aging population , continued distrust between European member nations and lack of a European identity , and an inability to defend itself and its interests.Do n't worry about the US , the US will muddle through .
You should rather be worried about wherever it is you are coming from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think those debates or political schemes are anything new?
US politics has worked that way for two centuries, and Europeans have always said how much better things were in Europe.
But millions who have voted with their feet and emigrated to the US, and the US managed to hold together during all that time, while Europe murdered millions of Jews, fought two world wars, and had military dictatorships and internal strife until the late 20th century.And today, Europe isn't doing well at all: high and rising social expenditures and commitments, an aging population, continued distrust between European member nations and lack of a European identity, and an inability to defend itself and its interests.Don't worry about the US, the US will muddle through.
You should rather be worried about wherever it is you are coming from.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490728</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268663760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction, trade contracts, or goods.</p></div><p>I wonder if China in some way tries to avoid money and its consequences, in order to gain independence from unstable currencies...<br>Wouldn&rsquo;t be a dumb move...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction , trade contracts , or goods.I wonder if China in some way tries to avoid money and its consequences , in order to gain independence from unstable currencies...Wouldn    t be a dumb move.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction, trade contracts, or goods.I wonder if China in some way tries to avoid money and its consequences, in order to gain independence from unstable currencies...Wouldn’t be a dumb move...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492804</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>molecular</author>
	<datestamp>1268732400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work. If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.</p></div><p>Yeah, also: did you know trains switch sides inside the tunnel under the channel. After all, continental Europe drives on the wrong side of the road.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work .
If I remember correctly , that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.Yeah , also : did you know trains switch sides inside the tunnel under the channel .
After all , continental Europe drives on the wrong side of the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.
If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.Yeah, also: did you know trains switch sides inside the tunnel under the channel.
After all, continental Europe drives on the wrong side of the road.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489836</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>chilvence</author>
	<datestamp>1268658180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd sooner go by rail than air anyday - I've been on too many planes, they never get any more comfortable. On the train you can put your feet back, relax, eat off a real table, sleep lying down, go for a stroll - the benefits far outweigh the trip time. Something like this railroad puts Beijing on my list of destinations that I would plan to visit casually once in my life, and hopefully works the other way round for people in China wanting to have a nosey around London.</p><p>I sense a deep wave of cynicism about the safety of traveling through central asia, but the majority of ordinary people don't wish harm on anyone. So there's a few loonies - so what?  You have to live in spite of the gun toting loonies, not in fear of them... and more to the point, how do you think China would react if some merry band of robbers tried to mess with their pet project?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd sooner go by rail than air anyday - I 've been on too many planes , they never get any more comfortable .
On the train you can put your feet back , relax , eat off a real table , sleep lying down , go for a stroll - the benefits far outweigh the trip time .
Something like this railroad puts Beijing on my list of destinations that I would plan to visit casually once in my life , and hopefully works the other way round for people in China wanting to have a nosey around London.I sense a deep wave of cynicism about the safety of traveling through central asia , but the majority of ordinary people do n't wish harm on anyone .
So there 's a few loonies - so what ?
You have to live in spite of the gun toting loonies , not in fear of them... and more to the point , how do you think China would react if some merry band of robbers tried to mess with their pet project ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd sooner go by rail than air anyday - I've been on too many planes, they never get any more comfortable.
On the train you can put your feet back, relax, eat off a real table, sleep lying down, go for a stroll - the benefits far outweigh the trip time.
Something like this railroad puts Beijing on my list of destinations that I would plan to visit casually once in my life, and hopefully works the other way round for people in China wanting to have a nosey around London.I sense a deep wave of cynicism about the safety of traveling through central asia, but the majority of ordinary people don't wish harm on anyone.
So there's a few loonies - so what?
You have to live in spite of the gun toting loonies, not in fear of them... and more to the point, how do you think China would react if some merry band of robbers tried to mess with their pet project?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494832</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268751600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trading without paying cash. Cool, avoids so much paperwork and taxes. Damn I've got some raw materials they might want and hell I need some rice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trading without paying cash .
Cool , avoids so much paperwork and taxes .
Damn I 've got some raw materials they might want and hell I need some rice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trading without paying cash.
Cool, avoids so much paperwork and taxes.
Damn I've got some raw materials they might want and hell I need some rice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489768</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493278</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Third Position</author>
	<datestamp>1268739060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter. This project will likely help facilitate that outcome whether that's their intention or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter .
This project will likely help facilitate that outcome whether that 's their intention or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter.
This project will likely help facilitate that outcome whether that's their intention or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490700</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1268663460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Brazil went bankrupt doing that. They paid for it with hyperinflation for decades. Hopefully the Chinese aren't digging the same kind of hole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Brazil went bankrupt doing that .
They paid for it with hyperinflation for decades .
Hopefully the Chinese are n't digging the same kind of hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brazil went bankrupt doing that.
They paid for it with hyperinflation for decades.
Hopefully the Chinese aren't digging the same kind of hole.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490166</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492906</id>
	<title>Europe's raw resources?</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1268733480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which raw resources? We don't have any. Europe has been importing all its stuff for decades.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which raw resources ?
We do n't have any .
Europe has been importing all its stuff for decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which raw resources?
We don't have any.
Europe has been importing all its stuff for decades.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489768</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493872</id>
	<title>Good for them and for us...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1268746860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, when I hear about these types of projects, i think that they can't be all that bad, I mean they offer a lower cost efficient way of transport and offer to pay half of it with labor, while the other countries offer the mats. for it. I wonder if there is a hidden agencda, but I can't see it...the pros far out way the cons here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , when I hear about these types of projects , i think that they ca n't be all that bad , I mean they offer a lower cost efficient way of transport and offer to pay half of it with labor , while the other countries offer the mats .
for it .
I wonder if there is a hidden agencda , but I ca n't see it...the pros far out way the cons here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, when I hear about these types of projects, i think that they can't be all that bad, I mean they offer a lower cost efficient way of transport and offer to pay half of it with labor, while the other countries offer the mats.
for it.
I wonder if there is a hidden agencda, but I can't see it...the pros far out way the cons here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489482</id>
	<title>Track width</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1268656260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work. If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe. On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work .
If I remember correctly , that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe .
On the other hand , if this becomes cheap enough for car travel ( which it probably already is ) , Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country ( unless the US decides to invest in itself ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.
If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.
On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494088</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268748180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.</p> </div><p>I took the train from Europe to Beijing last year. (Trans-siberian/trans-mongolian) It was great fun, there were lots of people on the train (russians, brits, dutch, french,...) it took a week but i'd love to do it again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe .
I took the train from Europe to Beijing last year .
( Trans-siberian/trans-mongolian ) It was great fun , there were lots of people on the train ( russians , brits , dutch , french,... ) it took a week but i 'd love to do it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.
I took the train from Europe to Beijing last year.
(Trans-siberian/trans-mongolian) It was great fun, there were lots of people on the train (russians, brits, dutch, french,...) it took a week but i'd love to do it again.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490902</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>DesScorp</author>
	<datestamp>1268664900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>More trade, which then possibly leads to more stability.  History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations.  It's the only reasonable hope we humans have to world peace.</p> </div><p>I keep seeing this argument, and it's absolutely ludicrous. Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941? You may have heard of that country's leader. He's invoked here a lot on Slashdot.</p><p>This is just another variant of the "prosperity = peace" argument. While the two often go together, one does not ensure the other. Most of the prosperous nations in the history of man have been so while invading their neighbors, or even across the other side of the world. We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism. How'd that work out?</p><p>I'm all for expanded trade and opening more markets. But that just brings wealth, not freedom, and certainly not utopia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>More trade , which then possibly leads to more stability .
History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful , albeit sometimes tense , negotiations .
It 's the only reasonable hope we humans have to world peace .
I keep seeing this argument , and it 's absolutely ludicrous .
Guess who France 's number one trading partner was before 1941 ?
You may have heard of that country 's leader .
He 's invoked here a lot on Slashdot.This is just another variant of the " prosperity = peace " argument .
While the two often go together , one does not ensure the other .
Most of the prosperous nations in the history of man have been so while invading their neighbors , or even across the other side of the world .
We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism .
How 'd that work out ? I 'm all for expanded trade and opening more markets .
But that just brings wealth , not freedom , and certainly not utopia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More trade, which then possibly leads to more stability.
History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations.
It's the only reasonable hope we humans have to world peace.
I keep seeing this argument, and it's absolutely ludicrous.
Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941?
You may have heard of that country's leader.
He's invoked here a lot on Slashdot.This is just another variant of the "prosperity = peace" argument.
While the two often go together, one does not ensure the other.
Most of the prosperous nations in the history of man have been so while invading their neighbors, or even across the other side of the world.
We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism.
How'd that work out?I'm all for expanded trade and opening more markets.
But that just brings wealth, not freedom, and certainly not utopia.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489764</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268657760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling , war and neocolonialism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31496682</id>
	<title>Re:High speed rail is for poor people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268758260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You obviously don't have a car. Ever experienced traffic jam? Travelling by public transport is significantly faster and more convenient than travelling by private car in urban areas, especially during rush hour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously do n't have a car .
Ever experienced traffic jam ?
Travelling by public transport is significantly faster and more convenient than travelling by private car in urban areas , especially during rush hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously don't have a car.
Ever experienced traffic jam?
Travelling by public transport is significantly faster and more convenient than travelling by private car in urban areas, especially during rush hour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490190</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>MidnightBrewer</author>
	<datestamp>1268660160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Economies of scale. It beats the heck out of sending by ship and it's cheaper than air flight.It's going to mean a lot for China's trade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Economies of scale .
It beats the heck out of sending by ship and it 's cheaper than air flight.It 's going to mean a lot for China 's trade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Economies of scale.
It beats the heck out of sending by ship and it's cheaper than air flight.It's going to mean a lot for China's trade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490848</id>
	<title>Re:High Speed Rail and Freight are Mutually Exclus</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1268664420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To be used for freight a system like this would need four tracks at a minimum. Two for passenger and two for freight.</p></div><p>First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?<br>-Contact 1997</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be used for freight a system like this would need four tracks at a minimum .
Two for passenger and two for freight.First rule in government spending : why build one when you can have two at twice the price ? -Contact 1997</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be used for freight a system like this would need four tracks at a minimum.
Two for passenger and two for freight.First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?-Contact 1997
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31497096</id>
	<title>Anonymous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268759640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWlgbAc3bbM</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = LWlgbAc3bbM</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWlgbAc3bbM</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491262</id>
	<title>Infrastructure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268667660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, it worked pretty well for the Romans, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , it worked pretty well for the Romans , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, it worked pretty well for the Romans, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493040</id>
	<title>Reboot?</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1268735580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time for a reboot of <i>"The Orient Express</i>
<p>Pierot rules!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time for a reboot of " The Orient Express Pierot rules !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time for a reboot of "The Orient Express
Pierot rules!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494452</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268750100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are no private property rights in the US anymore. What happened in New London, CT can happen anywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are no private property rights in the US anymore .
What happened in New London , CT can happen anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are no private property rights in the US anymore.
What happened in New London, CT can happen anywhere.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493050</id>
	<title>All train tracks lead to Beijing...</title>
	<author>wisebabo</author>
	<datestamp>1268735640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... instead of "all roads lead to Rome."</p><p>In addition to the obvious strategic implications of China building these rail lines to link together its "virtual" Eurasian empire (by virtual I mean some of the governments, the "stans" are so corrupt or incompetent that the Chinese are soon going to be their puppetmasters.  Just look at what's going on in Afghanistan, we fight and die they profit.), I wonder what other conditions the Chinese will put to the countries who will be connected.</p><p>For example, will India be allowed to be a part of it?  Talk about cutting out the competition!</p><p>I don't know how far ahead the Chinese planning horizon is but if they *think* they have a lock down on all effective dissent for the foreseeable future they might be thinking many decades (centuries) ahead.  Sounds grandiose but some companies like Toyota have 100 year plans (though I bet they didn't see these brake problems coming).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... instead of " all roads lead to Rome .
" In addition to the obvious strategic implications of China building these rail lines to link together its " virtual " Eurasian empire ( by virtual I mean some of the governments , the " stans " are so corrupt or incompetent that the Chinese are soon going to be their puppetmasters .
Just look at what 's going on in Afghanistan , we fight and die they profit .
) , I wonder what other conditions the Chinese will put to the countries who will be connected.For example , will India be allowed to be a part of it ?
Talk about cutting out the competition ! I do n't know how far ahead the Chinese planning horizon is but if they * think * they have a lock down on all effective dissent for the foreseeable future they might be thinking many decades ( centuries ) ahead .
Sounds grandiose but some companies like Toyota have 100 year plans ( though I bet they did n't see these brake problems coming ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... instead of "all roads lead to Rome.
"In addition to the obvious strategic implications of China building these rail lines to link together its "virtual" Eurasian empire (by virtual I mean some of the governments, the "stans" are so corrupt or incompetent that the Chinese are soon going to be their puppetmasters.
Just look at what's going on in Afghanistan, we fight and die they profit.
), I wonder what other conditions the Chinese will put to the countries who will be connected.For example, will India be allowed to be a part of it?
Talk about cutting out the competition!I don't know how far ahead the Chinese planning horizon is but if they *think* they have a lock down on all effective dissent for the foreseeable future they might be thinking many decades (centuries) ahead.
Sounds grandiose but some companies like Toyota have 100 year plans (though I bet they didn't see these brake problems coming).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491376</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268668500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need HSR for moving freight around.  HSR only makes sense for transporting people.</p><p>And while few people will want to go the entire distance at once, I expect it will greatly enhance commerce and communications for cities within a few thousand kilometers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need HSR for moving freight around .
HSR only makes sense for transporting people.And while few people will want to go the entire distance at once , I expect it will greatly enhance commerce and communications for cities within a few thousand kilometers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need HSR for moving freight around.
HSR only makes sense for transporting people.And while few people will want to go the entire distance at once, I expect it will greatly enhance commerce and communications for cities within a few thousand kilometers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492434</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>ap7</author>
	<datestamp>1268681640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right. And freight won't be transported at 350 kph. Freights run at much slower speeds because the wagons are too heavy and at high speeds can destroy the track. On the other hand, passenger coaches are much lighter and can go much faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right .
And freight wo n't be transported at 350 kph .
Freights run at much slower speeds because the wagons are too heavy and at high speeds can destroy the track .
On the other hand , passenger coaches are much lighter and can go much faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right.
And freight won't be transported at 350 kph.
Freights run at much slower speeds because the wagons are too heavy and at high speeds can destroy the track.
On the other hand, passenger coaches are much lighter and can go much faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490672</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268663280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US already conducts the bulk of their inland shipping via railway. Has for almost 140 years now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US already conducts the bulk of their inland shipping via railway .
Has for almost 140 years now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US already conducts the bulk of their inland shipping via railway.
Has for almost 140 years now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490352</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1268661180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I said elsewhere I HATE flying. Flying is not confortable. I could work in a train during this time. At the same time, you can avoid the jet lag more easily since the trip is longer. When I fly from Europe to the USA it always take me more than two days to catch up with the time.</p><p>So depending on the price and what I have to do, I might take the train.</p><p>Moreover, a 50hours long train trip is COOL !<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I said elsewhere I HATE flying .
Flying is not confortable .
I could work in a train during this time .
At the same time , you can avoid the jet lag more easily since the trip is longer .
When I fly from Europe to the USA it always take me more than two days to catch up with the time.So depending on the price and what I have to do , I might take the train.Moreover , a 50hours long train trip is COOL !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I said elsewhere I HATE flying.
Flying is not confortable.
I could work in a train during this time.
At the same time, you can avoid the jet lag more easily since the trip is longer.
When I fly from Europe to the USA it always take me more than two days to catch up with the time.So depending on the price and what I have to do, I might take the train.Moreover, a 50hours long train trip is COOL !
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492070</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268675760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>most extensive, yes, in terms of miles of high speed track. Most advanced? Maybe so if you just measure speed. Also, they have a mag lev line in service, not just being tested, so that may put them near the most advanced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>most extensive , yes , in terms of miles of high speed track .
Most advanced ?
Maybe so if you just measure speed .
Also , they have a mag lev line in service , not just being tested , so that may put them near the most advanced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most extensive, yes, in terms of miles of high speed track.
Most advanced?
Maybe so if you just measure speed.
Also, they have a mag lev line in service, not just being tested, so that may put them near the most advanced.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489682</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268657280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The high speed rail nets in the US are not for freight, but for passengers. The costs and volumes of passengers for the routes don't make sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The high speed rail nets in the US are not for freight , but for passengers .
The costs and volumes of passengers for the routes do n't make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The high speed rail nets in the US are not for freight, but for passengers.
The costs and volumes of passengers for the routes don't make sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490468</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>coaxial</author>
	<datestamp>1268661900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So China is building infrastructure that will let them transport goods throughout Asia and Europe very quickly and cheaply. Meanwhile, here in the US, people are fighting against the idea of building highspeed rail even between a handful of cities that are right next to each other.</p></div><p>Hey, you must be talking about Cal HSR!  The amount of absurdity when dealing with NIMBYs in the supposably progressive Bay Area never ceases to amaze.</p><p>You're right that the US has let our infrastructure fall behind.  The North American electric grid can be taken out by a squirrel.  Our roads are in desperate need of repair.  Our telcom networks are behind Europe and Asia.  Quite honestly, we've rested on our laurels for 50 years, and we've seen that national infrastructure is too important to be left to Wall Street.  (Indeed, it always has been.)</p><p>That said, <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/The-Daily-Reckoning/2010/0312/New-evidence-indicates-China-may-be-Bankrupt" title="csmonitor.com" rel="nofollow">China might also be broke</a> [csmonitor.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So China is building infrastructure that will let them transport goods throughout Asia and Europe very quickly and cheaply .
Meanwhile , here in the US , people are fighting against the idea of building highspeed rail even between a handful of cities that are right next to each other.Hey , you must be talking about Cal HSR !
The amount of absurdity when dealing with NIMBYs in the supposably progressive Bay Area never ceases to amaze.You 're right that the US has let our infrastructure fall behind .
The North American electric grid can be taken out by a squirrel .
Our roads are in desperate need of repair .
Our telcom networks are behind Europe and Asia .
Quite honestly , we 've rested on our laurels for 50 years , and we 've seen that national infrastructure is too important to be left to Wall Street .
( Indeed , it always has been .
) That said , China might also be broke [ csmonitor.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So China is building infrastructure that will let them transport goods throughout Asia and Europe very quickly and cheaply.
Meanwhile, here in the US, people are fighting against the idea of building highspeed rail even between a handful of cities that are right next to each other.Hey, you must be talking about Cal HSR!
The amount of absurdity when dealing with NIMBYs in the supposably progressive Bay Area never ceases to amaze.You're right that the US has let our infrastructure fall behind.
The North American electric grid can be taken out by a squirrel.
Our roads are in desperate need of repair.
Our telcom networks are behind Europe and Asia.
Quite honestly, we've rested on our laurels for 50 years, and we've seen that national infrastructure is too important to be left to Wall Street.
(Indeed, it always has been.
)That said, China might also be broke [csmonitor.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31499306</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268767860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have read a few studies considering the cost benefit analysis of high speed trains. If you are not careful, it could end up running at a loss, subsidized by the government. China is spending a lot of money on infrastructure but maintaining infrastructure is extremely expensive. This could turn into a white elephant that the poor Chinese people will end up paying for.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; This is one of the problems with autocratic rule. A lot of money spent on vanity products which will ultimately cripple the  economy.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have read a few studies considering the cost benefit analysis of high speed trains .
If you are not careful , it could end up running at a loss , subsidized by the government .
China is spending a lot of money on infrastructure but maintaining infrastructure is extremely expensive .
This could turn into a white elephant that the poor Chinese people will end up paying for .
    This is one of the problems with autocratic rule .
A lot of money spent on vanity products which will ultimately cripple the economy .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have read a few studies considering the cost benefit analysis of high speed trains.
If you are not careful, it could end up running at a loss, subsidized by the government.
China is spending a lot of money on infrastructure but maintaining infrastructure is extremely expensive.
This could turn into a white elephant that the poor Chinese people will end up paying for.
    This is one of the problems with autocratic rule.
A lot of money spent on vanity products which will ultimately cripple the  economy.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490610</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268662740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends how pervasive will be security screening at airports in 10 years.<br>if it beats dealing with the airline companies, it may become interesting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends how pervasive will be security screening at airports in 10 years.if it beats dealing with the airline companies , it may become interesting : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends how pervasive will be security screening at airports in 10 years.if it beats dealing with the airline companies, it may become interesting :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493116</id>
	<title>Simpsons did it</title>
	<author>sergei83</author>
	<datestamp>1268736600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else remembers the Simpsons' monorail?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else remembers the Simpsons ' monorail ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else remembers the Simpsons' monorail?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489986</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268659140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry to say, your economy has already gone down the tubes, spent some time in the sewer, and is now resisting any attempt to scrub it clean by any means necessary. You have a sizable population against bank reform, even more against providing basic health care, insane unemployment, an entity composed of a slew of political parties too busy trying to resolve internal conflicts to notice the huge problems, and another political party so spoiled by a decade of near absolute power and focused on the short term that they do not see the huge wall as the nation hurls towards it like... Well... A train on high speed rail. Something that, as you pointed out, is also being resisted tooth and nail.</p><p>So no, the US is not in trouble. Unless something major changes pretty soon, the US is totally and completely screwed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to say , your economy has already gone down the tubes , spent some time in the sewer , and is now resisting any attempt to scrub it clean by any means necessary .
You have a sizable population against bank reform , even more against providing basic health care , insane unemployment , an entity composed of a slew of political parties too busy trying to resolve internal conflicts to notice the huge problems , and another political party so spoiled by a decade of near absolute power and focused on the short term that they do not see the huge wall as the nation hurls towards it like... Well... A train on high speed rail .
Something that , as you pointed out , is also being resisted tooth and nail.So no , the US is not in trouble .
Unless something major changes pretty soon , the US is totally and completely screwed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to say, your economy has already gone down the tubes, spent some time in the sewer, and is now resisting any attempt to scrub it clean by any means necessary.
You have a sizable population against bank reform, even more against providing basic health care, insane unemployment, an entity composed of a slew of political parties too busy trying to resolve internal conflicts to notice the huge problems, and another political party so spoiled by a decade of near absolute power and focused on the short term that they do not see the huge wall as the nation hurls towards it like... Well... A train on high speed rail.
Something that, as you pointed out, is also being resisted tooth and nail.So no, the US is not in trouble.
Unless something major changes pretty soon, the US is totally and completely screwed</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491018</id>
	<title>Approval?</title>
	<author>sixknowspring</author>
	<datestamp>1268665800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would have thought that other countries would be against having a random rail line running through their land.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have thought that other countries would be against having a random rail line running through their land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have thought that other countries would be against having a random rail line running through their land.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490370</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>snarkh</author>
	<datestamp>1268661240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plenty of people have taken Trans-Siberian railway from Europe to China. In fact, it has been operating for about 100 years!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plenty of people have taken Trans-Siberian railway from Europe to China .
In fact , it has been operating for about 100 years !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plenty of people have taken Trans-Siberian railway from Europe to China.
In fact, it has been operating for about 100 years!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494424</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>uradu</author>
	<datestamp>1268750040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I think he came for abuse. That's in 12A next door.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I think he came for abuse .
That 's in 12A next door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I think he came for abuse.
That's in 12A next door.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493772</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268745960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism. How'd that work out?</p></div><p>Dude, look at China in the 60's; in those days it was as closed and as oppressive as North Korea today.</p><p>Sure it isn't exactly a bastion of freedom but these days it's possible for people to criticize their superiors and actually NOT disappear. Economically, it's arguably freer than the West!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism .
How 'd that work out ? Dude , look at China in the 60 's ; in those days it was as closed and as oppressive as North Korea today.Sure it is n't exactly a bastion of freedom but these days it 's possible for people to criticize their superiors and actually NOT disappear .
Economically , it 's arguably freer than the West !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism.
How'd that work out?Dude, look at China in the 60's; in those days it was as closed and as oppressive as North Korea today.Sure it isn't exactly a bastion of freedom but these days it's possible for people to criticize their superiors and actually NOT disappear.
Economically, it's arguably freer than the West!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490850</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Erikderzweite</author>
	<datestamp>1268664420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, the solution is to change the wheelbase under the wagons on the borders of Belarus and Ukraine, but it takes an hour at best (rail carts are no formula one bolids).<br>But if you bild a whole new railway, you can standartize on track width or build a Dual gauge in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , the solution is to change the wheelbase under the wagons on the borders of Belarus and Ukraine , but it takes an hour at best ( rail carts are no formula one bolids ) .But if you bild a whole new railway , you can standartize on track width or build a Dual gauge in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, the solution is to change the wheelbase under the wagons on the borders of Belarus and Ukraine, but it takes an hour at best (rail carts are no formula one bolids).But if you bild a whole new railway, you can standartize on track width or build a Dual gauge in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490954</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>owlnation</author>
	<datestamp>1268665380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe. Maybe it's a bit of a vanity project.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Lots of people, especially students and independent travelers, take long distance train journeys from, for example, the EU into Russia -- the Trans-Siberian Railway. People will use it. It will be a far more interesting journey than traveling by plane.<br> <br>

Esepcially due to the generally increasing hell that is traveling by plane, from all the security theater.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe .
Maybe it 's a bit of a vanity project .
Lots of people , especially students and independent travelers , take long distance train journeys from , for example , the EU into Russia -- the Trans-Siberian Railway .
People will use it .
It will be a far more interesting journey than traveling by plane .
Esepcially due to the generally increasing hell that is traveling by plane , from all the security theater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.
Maybe it's a bit of a vanity project.
Lots of people, especially students and independent travelers, take long distance train journeys from, for example, the EU into Russia -- the Trans-Siberian Railway.
People will use it.
It will be a far more interesting journey than traveling by plane.
Esepcially due to the generally increasing hell that is traveling by plane, from all the security theater.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492314</id>
	<title>WW1 Berlin-Baghdad Railway</title>
	<author>rusl</author>
	<datestamp>1268679600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could lead to another world war just like the first Occidental-Oriental Railway did in 1914. Imagine the trade advantages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could lead to another world war just like the first Occidental-Oriental Railway did in 1914 .
Imagine the trade advantages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could lead to another world war just like the first Occidental-Oriental Railway did in 1914.
Imagine the trade advantages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490564</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>dakameleon</author>
	<datestamp>1268662500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction, trade contracts, or goods.</p></div><p>Uh... where I come from, that is called <em>trade</em>. Trading doesn't only mean exchanging cash - goods for services is a perfectly valid form of trade, and one practised for many years before the advent of exchangeable currency markets.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction , trade contracts , or goods.Uh... where I come from , that is called trade .
Trading does n't only mean exchanging cash - goods for services is a perfectly valid form of trade , and one practised for many years before the advent of exchangeable currency markets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China has been doing a lot of this bartering lately - avoiding paying cash for things in exchange for construction, trade contracts, or goods.Uh... where I come from, that is called trade.
Trading doesn't only mean exchanging cash - goods for services is a perfectly valid form of trade, and one practised for many years before the advent of exchangeable currency markets.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494766</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268751420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course they are communist. It's one form of religion and they seek more converts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course they are communist .
It 's one form of religion and they seek more converts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course they are communist.
It's one form of religion and they seek more converts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490024</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268659260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world."</p><p>No, it doesn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world .
" No , it does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world.
"No, it doesn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492646</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268772720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saudi Arabia does not trade. It exports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saudi Arabia does not trade .
It exports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saudi Arabia does not trade.
It exports.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490792</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268664120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world."</p><p>No, it doesn't.</p></div><p>Yes, it does.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world .
" No , it does n't.Yes , it does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"China already has the most advanced and extensive high-speed rail lines in the world.
"No, it doesn't.Yes, it does.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490380</id>
	<title>Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>GPLHost-Thomas</author>
	<datestamp>1268661300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a French guy living in China. Reading that China has the "most advanced [...] high-speed rail lines in the world" makes me jump on my chair. The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed, most of the time, they aren't even reaching 200. China is just building it's first Shanghai to Beijing in 3:30 thanks to the French technology (to be ready later this year). It still takes 40 hours to travel from Shanghai to Wulumuqi. Exactly where is the advance here? The most advanced country in the world for train is France, with over 6 lines at 320+ km/h all over the (small) country and extending to the rest of Europe (Spain, London, Amsterdam)!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a French guy living in China .
Reading that China has the " most advanced [ ... ] high-speed rail lines in the world " makes me jump on my chair .
The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed , most of the time , they are n't even reaching 200 .
China is just building it 's first Shanghai to Beijing in 3 : 30 thanks to the French technology ( to be ready later this year ) .
It still takes 40 hours to travel from Shanghai to Wulumuqi .
Exactly where is the advance here ?
The most advanced country in the world for train is France , with over 6 lines at 320 + km/h all over the ( small ) country and extending to the rest of Europe ( Spain , London , Amsterdam ) !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a French guy living in China.
Reading that China has the "most advanced [...] high-speed rail lines in the world" makes me jump on my chair.
The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed, most of the time, they aren't even reaching 200.
China is just building it's first Shanghai to Beijing in 3:30 thanks to the French technology (to be ready later this year).
It still takes 40 hours to travel from Shanghai to Wulumuqi.
Exactly where is the advance here?
The most advanced country in the world for train is France, with over 6 lines at 320+ km/h all over the (small) country and extending to the rest of Europe (Spain, London, Amsterdam)!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492896</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268733300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is always light at the end of the tunnel.</p><p>Although this time it might be the light of a train coming at you at the speed of 320 km/h.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is always light at the end of the tunnel.Although this time it might be the light of a train coming at you at the speed of 320 km/h .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is always light at the end of the tunnel.Although this time it might be the light of a train coming at you at the speed of 320 km/h.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491582</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>jamesswift</author>
	<datestamp>1268670660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>M:  I came here for a good argument.<br>A:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.<br>M:  An argument isn't just contradiction.<br>A:   It can be.<br>M:  No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.<br>A:   No it isn't.<br>M:  Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.<br>A:   Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.<br>M:  Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'<br>A:   Yes it is!<br>M:   No it isn't!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>M : I came here for a good argument.A : No you did n't ; no , you came here for an argument.M : An argument is n't just contradiction.A : It can be.M : No it ca n't .
An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.A : No it is n't.M : Yes it is !
It 's not just contradiction.A : Look , if I argue with you , I must take up a contrary position.M : Yes , but that 's not just saying 'No it is n't .
'A : Yes it is ! M : No it is n't !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>M:  I came here for a good argument.A:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.M:  An argument isn't just contradiction.A:   It can be.M:  No it can't.
An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.A:   No it isn't.M:  Yes it is!
It's not just contradiction.A:   Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.M:  Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.
'A:   Yes it is!M:   No it isn't!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490024</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492972</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>rve</author>
	<datestamp>1268734500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I keep seeing this argument, and it's absolutely ludicrous. Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941?</p></div><p>What is the significance of this year, 1941? The war in Europe started in 1939, and France had been defeated by late spring 1940.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep seeing this argument , and it 's absolutely ludicrous .
Guess who France 's number one trading partner was before 1941 ? What is the significance of this year , 1941 ?
The war in Europe started in 1939 , and France had been defeated by late spring 1940 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep seeing this argument, and it's absolutely ludicrous.
Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941?What is the significance of this year, 1941?
The war in Europe started in 1939, and France had been defeated by late spring 1940.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493020</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>ZorbaTHut</author>
	<datestamp>1268735220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious - does anyone know what fraction of air travel prices are oil? I'd have a hard time imagining it being more than 50\%, and obviously if it's low enough then "dwindling oil" won't have a particularly big effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious - does anyone know what fraction of air travel prices are oil ?
I 'd have a hard time imagining it being more than 50 \ % , and obviously if it 's low enough then " dwindling oil " wo n't have a particularly big effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious - does anyone know what fraction of air travel prices are oil?
I'd have a hard time imagining it being more than 50\%, and obviously if it's low enough then "dwindling oil" won't have a particularly big effect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31496094</id>
	<title>Bering strait</title>
	<author>Max\_W</author>
	<datestamp>1268756160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would also recommend the line to the USA &amp; Canada via Russia and then via Bering strait. This strait is only 85 km wide.</p><p>It is high time.</p><p>It can be build for a fraction of the money which is spent each year to fight the mountain tribes in Eurasia. Besides these tribesmen could be hired to build this railroad instead.</p><p>This project would catch the imagination of the people worldwide. This is what I call leadership and global vision.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would also recommend the line to the USA &amp; Canada via Russia and then via Bering strait .
This strait is only 85 km wide.It is high time.It can be build for a fraction of the money which is spent each year to fight the mountain tribes in Eurasia .
Besides these tribesmen could be hired to build this railroad instead.This project would catch the imagination of the people worldwide .
This is what I call leadership and global vision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would also recommend the line to the USA &amp; Canada via Russia and then via Bering strait.
This strait is only 85 km wide.It is high time.It can be build for a fraction of the money which is spent each year to fight the mountain tribes in Eurasia.
Besides these tribesmen could be hired to build this railroad instead.This project would catch the imagination of the people worldwide.
This is what I call leadership and global vision.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489842</id>
	<title>Europe \_and\_ the UK?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268658180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when was the UK not part of Europe?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when was the UK not part of Europe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when was the UK not part of Europe?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491512</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>chilvence</author>
	<datestamp>1268669760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done Ha Noi to Sapa on an old overnight sleeper years ago, and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience - that was back when I was about ten though. I'm sure had I been older, I would have had a much more acceptable level of jadedness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done Ha Noi to Sapa on an old overnight sleeper years ago , and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience - that was back when I was about ten though .
I 'm sure had I been older , I would have had a much more acceptable level of jadedness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done Ha Noi to Sapa on an old overnight sleeper years ago, and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience - that was back when I was about ten though.
I'm sure had I been older, I would have had a much more acceptable level of jadedness.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490780</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31503640</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1268747820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>One of the biggest problems with rail is the very poor last-mile infrastructure to move people.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>And why do we have shoddy last mile infrastructure?  Because for the last century we've designed cities on the assumption that private cars made it unnecessary. Now our roadways are saturated, gas is no longer cheap, and we're stuck with a sprawl that can't  be easily served by either private cars or public transit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the biggest problems with rail is the very poor last-mile infrastructure to move people .
And why do we have shoddy last mile infrastructure ?
Because for the last century we 've designed cities on the assumption that private cars made it unnecessary .
Now our roadways are saturated , gas is no longer cheap , and we 're stuck with a sprawl that ca n't be easily served by either private cars or public transit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> One of the biggest problems with rail is the very poor last-mile infrastructure to move people.
And why do we have shoddy last mile infrastructure?
Because for the last century we've designed cities on the assumption that private cars made it unnecessary.
Now our roadways are saturated, gas is no longer cheap, and we're stuck with a sprawl that can't  be easily served by either private cars or public transit.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495708</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489852</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>cowboy76Spain</author>
	<datestamp>1268658360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I too think this is cool, but are a couple of questions that get to my mind:</p><ul>
<li>First, it is a BIG risk. A lot of investment depending of 14 countries getting to agree in something and keeping to agree in the future... i.e. if only one of these 14 countries has a change of government, a war with the neighbour from which the train comes to, etc. If the link comes down at the middle, it will be difficult to get benefits from traffic from/to only Kazakhstan, for example. And High Speed Tracks are expensive, both to build and to mantain.</li><li>Also, what would be the advantage? I mean, take that you get in from the South of Spain and from there you go, non-stop, at 300 km/h. For a track length of 15.000 km(and that assumes you can do almost a straight line from start to end) that would mean 50 hours. More than by plane, and that after making very optimistic calculus. Also think that I didn't include time from switching trains if you need to.</li>
<li>And finally, who would use it? Ok, there are are plane loads of flights that go to China every day from Europe and back, but those have better options by plane. And don't count on increasing traffic from/to the middle of the steppe as a way to make the numbers add.</li></ul><p>

Also, I am a little worried about the ambiental impact of the project. High-Speed Trains are as contaminants as airplanes, and here you'll add also all the energy and impact of deploying and maintaining tens of thousands of kilomets of railways. Given that in this case traffic is from both of the extremes of the link(with all my respects to Russia and Turkey), it looks like that maybe planes are indeed a better approach. If it was about joining railway nets already built with some short links, it could, but building thousands of kilometers through desert and semi-desert, no way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I too think this is cool , but are a couple of questions that get to my mind : First , it is a BIG risk .
A lot of investment depending of 14 countries getting to agree in something and keeping to agree in the future... i.e. if only one of these 14 countries has a change of government , a war with the neighbour from which the train comes to , etc .
If the link comes down at the middle , it will be difficult to get benefits from traffic from/to only Kazakhstan , for example .
And High Speed Tracks are expensive , both to build and to mantain.Also , what would be the advantage ?
I mean , take that you get in from the South of Spain and from there you go , non-stop , at 300 km/h .
For a track length of 15.000 km ( and that assumes you can do almost a straight line from start to end ) that would mean 50 hours .
More than by plane , and that after making very optimistic calculus .
Also think that I did n't include time from switching trains if you need to .
And finally , who would use it ?
Ok , there are are plane loads of flights that go to China every day from Europe and back , but those have better options by plane .
And do n't count on increasing traffic from/to the middle of the steppe as a way to make the numbers add .
Also , I am a little worried about the ambiental impact of the project .
High-Speed Trains are as contaminants as airplanes , and here you 'll add also all the energy and impact of deploying and maintaining tens of thousands of kilomets of railways .
Given that in this case traffic is from both of the extremes of the link ( with all my respects to Russia and Turkey ) , it looks like that maybe planes are indeed a better approach .
If it was about joining railway nets already built with some short links , it could , but building thousands of kilometers through desert and semi-desert , no way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too think this is cool, but are a couple of questions that get to my mind:
First, it is a BIG risk.
A lot of investment depending of 14 countries getting to agree in something and keeping to agree in the future... i.e. if only one of these 14 countries has a change of government, a war with the neighbour from which the train comes to, etc.
If the link comes down at the middle, it will be difficult to get benefits from traffic from/to only Kazakhstan, for example.
And High Speed Tracks are expensive, both to build and to mantain.Also, what would be the advantage?
I mean, take that you get in from the South of Spain and from there you go, non-stop, at 300 km/h.
For a track length of 15.000 km(and that assumes you can do almost a straight line from start to end) that would mean 50 hours.
More than by plane, and that after making very optimistic calculus.
Also think that I didn't include time from switching trains if you need to.
And finally, who would use it?
Ok, there are are plane loads of flights that go to China every day from Europe and back, but those have better options by plane.
And don't count on increasing traffic from/to the middle of the steppe as a way to make the numbers add.
Also, I am a little worried about the ambiental impact of the project.
High-Speed Trains are as contaminants as airplanes, and here you'll add also all the energy and impact of deploying and maintaining tens of thousands of kilomets of railways.
Given that in this case traffic is from both of the extremes of the link(with all my respects to Russia and Turkey), it looks like that maybe planes are indeed a better approach.
If it was about joining railway nets already built with some short links, it could, but building thousands of kilometers through desert and semi-desert, no way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490618</id>
	<title>thank god in the usa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268662860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we have libertarians and rabidly distrustful antigovernment tea party assholes</p><p>to save us, you know, from this evil socialism thing called economic progress</p><p>i mean, if we paid more taxes to build things like high speed rail, we might actually live in that horrible thing known as a better country</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we have libertarians and rabidly distrustful antigovernment tea party assholesto save us , you know , from this evil socialism thing called economic progressi mean , if we paid more taxes to build things like high speed rail , we might actually live in that horrible thing known as a better country</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we have libertarians and rabidly distrustful antigovernment tea party assholesto save us, you know, from this evil socialism thing called economic progressi mean, if we paid more taxes to build things like high speed rail, we might actually live in that horrible thing known as a better country</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491532</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>theycallmeB</author>
	<datestamp>1268670180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And do you really think the PRC is interested in spreading prosperity and equality?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And do you really think the PRC is interested in spreading prosperity and equality ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And do you really think the PRC is interested in spreading prosperity and equality?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489764</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31504338</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1268754480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well the Chinese just bulldoze your house if they need the land. We have something called property rights unless you live in Connecticut.</p></div><p>
Exactly why you Americans, and even more so, we Canadians, are becoming the new third world. <br>
A few "big farmers", excuse me, rich republican rednecks are crying "NIMBY",even though most of the US  land is either public,
or owned by the rich... ummm I already referred to these guys. <br>
Say!  Just how many thousands of acres do YOU own, big boy Assemberx?  <br>

Oh!  Less than 20?  hmmnnn... I don't think YOUR property rights are much in danger. <br>
But Ok brave big boy minuteman- grab yer rifle and go off and defend "your" freedom while the rich guys chuckle.   <br>
Anyhow-  <br>
We Canadians along with Africa have the slooooowest trains on the planet Earth.  <br>
Oh, wait!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <br>
   <br>
South Africa is now building a "super" train on par with those of Europe, Japan, China and South America!  <br>
Ironically, it's being built by a company that was once considered "Canadian".  <br>
  Golly-  I guess Canada really IS in the 4th world now!  Hey, USA, you plan on joining us joining us?    Welcome to the club!  <br>
And (LOL!)  Let's not talk about Al Gore's "Electronic Superhighway"...(snicker)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the Chinese just bulldoze your house if they need the land .
We have something called property rights unless you live in Connecticut .
Exactly why you Americans , and even more so , we Canadians , are becoming the new third world .
A few " big farmers " , excuse me , rich republican rednecks are crying " NIMBY " ,even though most of the US land is either public , or owned by the rich... ummm I already referred to these guys .
Say ! Just how many thousands of acres do YOU own , big boy Assemberx ?
Oh ! Less than 20 ?
hmmnnn... I do n't think YOUR property rights are much in danger .
But Ok brave big boy minuteman- grab yer rifle and go off and defend " your " freedom while the rich guys chuckle .
Anyhow- We Canadians along with Africa have the slooooowest trains on the planet Earth .
Oh , wait !
.. . South Africa is now building a " super " train on par with those of Europe , Japan , China and South America !
Ironically , it 's being built by a company that was once considered " Canadian " .
Golly- I guess Canada really IS in the 4th world now !
Hey , USA , you plan on joining us joining us ?
Welcome to the club !
And ( LOL !
) Let 's not talk about Al Gore 's " Electronic Superhighway " ... ( snicker )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the Chinese just bulldoze your house if they need the land.
We have something called property rights unless you live in Connecticut.
Exactly why you Americans, and even more so, we Canadians, are becoming the new third world.
A few "big farmers", excuse me, rich republican rednecks are crying "NIMBY",even though most of the US  land is either public,
or owned by the rich... ummm I already referred to these guys.
Say!  Just how many thousands of acres do YOU own, big boy Assemberx?
Oh!  Less than 20?
hmmnnn... I don't think YOUR property rights are much in danger.
But Ok brave big boy minuteman- grab yer rifle and go off and defend "your" freedom while the rich guys chuckle.
Anyhow-  
We Canadians along with Africa have the slooooowest trains on the planet Earth.
Oh, wait!
... 
   
South Africa is now building a "super" train on par with those of Europe, Japan, China and South America!
Ironically, it's being built by a company that was once considered "Canadian".
Golly-  I guess Canada really IS in the 4th world now!
Hey, USA, you plan on joining us joining us?
Welcome to the club!
And (LOL!
)  Let's not talk about Al Gore's "Electronic Superhighway"...(snicker)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489758</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489760</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1268657760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think it is a big deal to change trains when changing continents. You do that sometimes when transiting in aircraft anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it is a big deal to change trains when changing continents .
You do that sometimes when transiting in aircraft anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it is a big deal to change trains when changing continents.
You do that sometimes when transiting in aircraft anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489482</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492752</id>
	<title>Rail lines, power lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268731680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>One has to see this in light of the Orient Express line the Germans attempted to build from Berlin to Bagdad. This would have been a trade link and the oil feed they needed to develop their economy.</p><p>But the British economy and collapsing empire was no match for a game against the Germans on a levelled playing field.</p><p>Soon enough troubles appeared in the Balkans and World War I broke out. And the line stopped in Turkey.</p><p>We shall see what's ahead of the train this time.</p><p>For a dot connecting reading of our 20th century history, see William Engdahl 's Oil Geopolitics in the 20th century</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One has to see this in light of the Orient Express line the Germans attempted to build from Berlin to Bagdad .
This would have been a trade link and the oil feed they needed to develop their economy.But the British economy and collapsing empire was no match for a game against the Germans on a levelled playing field.Soon enough troubles appeared in the Balkans and World War I broke out .
And the line stopped in Turkey.We shall see what 's ahead of the train this time.For a dot connecting reading of our 20th century history , see William Engdahl 's Oil Geopolitics in the 20th century</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One has to see this in light of the Orient Express line the Germans attempted to build from Berlin to Bagdad.
This would have been a trade link and the oil feed they needed to develop their economy.But the British economy and collapsing empire was no match for a game against the Germans on a levelled playing field.Soon enough troubles appeared in the Balkans and World War I broke out.
And the line stopped in Turkey.We shall see what's ahead of the train this time.For a dot connecting reading of our 20th century history, see William Engdahl 's Oil Geopolitics in the 20th century</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490844</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1268664420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If the train is more loaded it needs to move slower. If a slow train is using a line, it bogs down the other trains in the same line. You can transport not quite heavy stuff, but more weight means no more high speed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the train is more loaded it needs to move slower .
If a slow train is using a line , it bogs down the other trains in the same line .
You can transport not quite heavy stuff , but more weight means no more high speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the train is more loaded it needs to move slower.
If a slow train is using a line, it bogs down the other trains in the same line.
You can transport not quite heavy stuff, but more weight means no more high speed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490922</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Jenming</author>
	<datestamp>1268665140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I would love to see the day when the countries of Europe and Asia are all at peace with each other and  can work together to build an economic powerhouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would love to see the day when the countries of Europe and Asia are all at peace with each other and can work together to build an economic powerhouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would love to see the day when the countries of Europe and Asia are all at peace with each other and  can work together to build an economic powerhouse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492206</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>joggle</author>
	<datestamp>1268678160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are correct that it doesn't bring a utopia. However, one could argue nuclear weapons bring peace too due to MAD, or at least help with global stability and usually nuclear weapons are about as far from a utopian vision as one can imagine.</p><p>I think having strong trade ties certainly serves as a good deterrent to war even if it doesn't always succeed in preventing wars. As probably anyone posting here knows the trade between China and the US is so immense that neither country could cut economic ties without causing great harm to their own economy and currency. That was not the case between Germany and France in 1941, a time when trade was much lower as a fraction of their economies than it is today.</p><p>A closer analogy probably would be the American Civil War when the trade between the north and south was a substantial fraction of their economies and the sudden drop in trade caused economic harm to both (although particularly the south). However, in that case the south viewed the alternative (no slaves) as an economic disaster too which mitigated that concern.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are correct that it does n't bring a utopia .
However , one could argue nuclear weapons bring peace too due to MAD , or at least help with global stability and usually nuclear weapons are about as far from a utopian vision as one can imagine.I think having strong trade ties certainly serves as a good deterrent to war even if it does n't always succeed in preventing wars .
As probably anyone posting here knows the trade between China and the US is so immense that neither country could cut economic ties without causing great harm to their own economy and currency .
That was not the case between Germany and France in 1941 , a time when trade was much lower as a fraction of their economies than it is today.A closer analogy probably would be the American Civil War when the trade between the north and south was a substantial fraction of their economies and the sudden drop in trade caused economic harm to both ( although particularly the south ) .
However , in that case the south viewed the alternative ( no slaves ) as an economic disaster too which mitigated that concern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are correct that it doesn't bring a utopia.
However, one could argue nuclear weapons bring peace too due to MAD, or at least help with global stability and usually nuclear weapons are about as far from a utopian vision as one can imagine.I think having strong trade ties certainly serves as a good deterrent to war even if it doesn't always succeed in preventing wars.
As probably anyone posting here knows the trade between China and the US is so immense that neither country could cut economic ties without causing great harm to their own economy and currency.
That was not the case between Germany and France in 1941, a time when trade was much lower as a fraction of their economies than it is today.A closer analogy probably would be the American Civil War when the trade between the north and south was a substantial fraction of their economies and the sudden drop in trade caused economic harm to both (although particularly the south).
However, in that case the south viewed the alternative (no slaves) as an economic disaster too which mitigated that concern.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493002</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>ZorbaTHut</author>
	<datestamp>1268735040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism. How'd that work out?</p></div></blockquote><p>Someone told me a while back that if I worked out regularly, I'd get stronger. Well I totally lifted some iron for, like, <i>half a week</i>. And I didn't get any stronger! What's up with that?</p><p>Major cultural and political change takes <i>longer than twenty years</i>. Come back to it in eighty years. If China isn't at the very least bucking against its dictatorship, then you can say it was a failure.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism .
How 'd that work out ? Someone told me a while back that if I worked out regularly , I 'd get stronger .
Well I totally lifted some iron for , like , half a week .
And I did n't get any stronger !
What 's up with that ? Major cultural and political change takes longer than twenty years .
Come back to it in eighty years .
If China is n't at the very least bucking against its dictatorship , then you can say it was a failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism.
How'd that work out?Someone told me a while back that if I worked out regularly, I'd get stronger.
Well I totally lifted some iron for, like, half a week.
And I didn't get any stronger!
What's up with that?Major cultural and political change takes longer than twenty years.
Come back to it in eighty years.
If China isn't at the very least bucking against its dictatorship, then you can say it was a failure.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491774</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1268672400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US, UK, Europe, China, and most of what we consider the "western world" use the same rail gauge (1435mm).</p><p>However, the UK's loading gauge (the biggest train that can fit through a tunnel or alongside a platform) is a bit smaller than what is typically seen in Europe or America (although passenger trains in the Eastern US have a similar de-facto limitation imposed upon them by the small Hudson River tunnels)</p><p>Similarly, the European rail system contains a mess of differing and incompatible signaling and communication systems.  A standard has been set, and the rail systems are gradually moving toward standardization (typically as old equipment is retired, because although standardization and compatibility is a good thing, it's not a particularly high priority at the moment)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US , UK , Europe , China , and most of what we consider the " western world " use the same rail gauge ( 1435mm ) .However , the UK 's loading gauge ( the biggest train that can fit through a tunnel or alongside a platform ) is a bit smaller than what is typically seen in Europe or America ( although passenger trains in the Eastern US have a similar de-facto limitation imposed upon them by the small Hudson River tunnels ) Similarly , the European rail system contains a mess of differing and incompatible signaling and communication systems .
A standard has been set , and the rail systems are gradually moving toward standardization ( typically as old equipment is retired , because although standardization and compatibility is a good thing , it 's not a particularly high priority at the moment )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US, UK, Europe, China, and most of what we consider the "western world" use the same rail gauge (1435mm).However, the UK's loading gauge (the biggest train that can fit through a tunnel or alongside a platform) is a bit smaller than what is typically seen in Europe or America (although passenger trains in the Eastern US have a similar de-facto limitation imposed upon them by the small Hudson River tunnels)Similarly, the European rail system contains a mess of differing and incompatible signaling and communication systems.
A standard has been set, and the rail systems are gradually moving toward standardization (typically as old equipment is retired, because although standardization and compatibility is a good thing, it's not a particularly high priority at the moment)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491798</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268672760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the neocolonialist meddlers <i>are</i> the religious nutbags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the neocolonialist meddlers are the religious nutbags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the neocolonialist meddlers are the religious nutbags.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490318</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1268660940000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>il would be something like 50 hours from paris beijing considering the track of the peiking paris track : <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking\_to\_Paris" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking\_to\_Paris</a> [wikipedia.org] . The actual trip would probably be more direct.</p><p>Flying the same distance is 10 hours on direct flight and 15/20 with one connection.</p><p>Taking the train you will avoid the jetlag and can have more room to work or do what ever in the train. You could also stop during the trip to see the tajmahal.</p><p>We don't know how much it will cost, if the price is comparable to flying, I might do that since I HATE flying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>il would be something like 50 hours from paris beijing considering the track of the peiking paris track : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking \ _to \ _Paris [ wikipedia.org ] .
The actual trip would probably be more direct.Flying the same distance is 10 hours on direct flight and 15/20 with one connection.Taking the train you will avoid the jetlag and can have more room to work or do what ever in the train .
You could also stop during the trip to see the tajmahal.We do n't know how much it will cost , if the price is comparable to flying , I might do that since I HATE flying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>il would be something like 50 hours from paris beijing considering the track of the peiking paris track : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking\_to\_Paris [wikipedia.org] .
The actual trip would probably be more direct.Flying the same distance is 10 hours on direct flight and 15/20 with one connection.Taking the train you will avoid the jetlag and can have more room to work or do what ever in the train.
You could also stop during the trip to see the tajmahal.We don't know how much it will cost, if the price is comparable to flying, I might do that since I HATE flying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494176</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268748600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Agreed, I have travelled extensively by train in china and france. And this is spot on</p><p>Jez</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , I have travelled extensively by train in china and france .
And this is spot onJez</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, I have travelled extensively by train in china and france.
And this is spot onJez</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490304</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1268660820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>IMO if china is sensible they will design this line in such a way that a mixture of train speeds can be readily accomodated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMO if china is sensible they will design this line in such a way that a mixture of train speeds can be readily accomodated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMO if china is sensible they will design this line in such a way that a mixture of train speeds can be readily accomodated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494652</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>turkeyfish</author>
	<datestamp>1268751060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given China's attitude toward religion, perhaps that explains their exceptional progress in high-speed rail development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given China 's attitude toward religion , perhaps that explains their exceptional progress in high-speed rail development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given China's attitude toward religion, perhaps that explains their exceptional progress in high-speed rail development.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492794</id>
	<title>Comes with massive westward migration of Chinese</title>
	<author>Anonymous Bullard</author>
	<datestamp>1268732280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I already <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1580392&amp;cid=31450852" title="slashdot.org">mentioned this a few days ago</a> [slashdot.org] (China's exploitation of colonized lands) in the thread about China's new plans to extract a century's worth of energy out of Tibet, but some people didn't think Tibetans (or Uighurs or Mongols) themselves and their status as disenfrancised and repressed people had anything to do with China's colonial resource grab policies...</p><p>Well, here again the fine article in Inhabitat goes for the single-minded technocrat approach, not unlike the glory-hungry regime in Beijing, but wouldn't it still be at least <i>remotely relevant</i> to also mention the other non-trade, non-technological aspects of Chinese Communist Party's rail expansion plans?</p><p>Namely that a scholar at a Chinese thinktank has stated that <a href="http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/news/articles/030410.shtml" title="eurasianet.org">"we foresee that in the coming decades, hundreds of millions of people will migrate to the western regions, where land is empty and resources are untapped".</a> [eurasianet.org] </p><p>Why is it only a horrific never-forget issue when the 1930s German dictatorship planned for a little Lebensraum expansion?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I already mentioned this a few days ago [ slashdot.org ] ( China 's exploitation of colonized lands ) in the thread about China 's new plans to extract a century 's worth of energy out of Tibet , but some people did n't think Tibetans ( or Uighurs or Mongols ) themselves and their status as disenfrancised and repressed people had anything to do with China 's colonial resource grab policies...Well , here again the fine article in Inhabitat goes for the single-minded technocrat approach , not unlike the glory-hungry regime in Beijing , but would n't it still be at least remotely relevant to also mention the other non-trade , non-technological aspects of Chinese Communist Party 's rail expansion plans ? Namely that a scholar at a Chinese thinktank has stated that " we foresee that in the coming decades , hundreds of millions of people will migrate to the western regions , where land is empty and resources are untapped " .
[ eurasianet.org ] Why is it only a horrific never-forget issue when the 1930s German dictatorship planned for a little Lebensraum expansion ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already mentioned this a few days ago [slashdot.org] (China's exploitation of colonized lands) in the thread about China's new plans to extract a century's worth of energy out of Tibet, but some people didn't think Tibetans (or Uighurs or Mongols) themselves and their status as disenfrancised and repressed people had anything to do with China's colonial resource grab policies...Well, here again the fine article in Inhabitat goes for the single-minded technocrat approach, not unlike the glory-hungry regime in Beijing, but wouldn't it still be at least remotely relevant to also mention the other non-trade, non-technological aspects of Chinese Communist Party's rail expansion plans?Namely that a scholar at a Chinese thinktank has stated that "we foresee that in the coming decades, hundreds of millions of people will migrate to the western regions, where land is empty and resources are untapped".
[eurasianet.org] Why is it only a horrific never-forget issue when the 1930s German dictatorship planned for a little Lebensraum expansion?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490474</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>cyfer2000</author>
	<datestamp>1268661960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The new trains won't run on old rail ways anyway.  So it doesn't matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The new trains wo n't run on old rail ways anyway .
So it does n't matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new trains won't run on old rail ways anyway.
So it doesn't matter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492780</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268732160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It is only if the country that cant pay in money that will pay in raw materials. Burma is one of them.</p><p>Map:<br>http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/teknik/london-peking-pa-tva-dygn-1.1059512</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is only if the country that cant pay in money that will pay in raw materials .
Burma is one of them.Map : http : //www.dn.se/ekonomi/teknik/london-peking-pa-tva-dygn-1.1059512</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is only if the country that cant pay in money that will pay in raw materials.
Burma is one of them.Map:http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/teknik/london-peking-pa-tva-dygn-1.1059512</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490328</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1268660940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there any reason that we couldn't use a high speed rail system for freight, too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any reason that we could n't use a high speed rail system for freight , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any reason that we couldn't use a high speed rail system for freight, too?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492908</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268733540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in China last year, the train between Guangzhou and Hong Kong reached speeds a bit over 220km/h, and I think they've just recently completed Guangzhou to Wuhan which is a pretty long stretch<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in China last year , the train between Guangzhou and Hong Kong reached speeds a bit over 220km/h , and I think they 've just recently completed Guangzhou to Wuhan which is a pretty long stretch : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in China last year, the train between Guangzhou and Hong Kong reached speeds a bit over 220km/h, and I think they've just recently completed Guangzhou to Wuhan which is a pretty long stretch :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493366</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Third Position</author>
	<datestamp>1268740620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is just another variant of the "prosperity = peace" argument. While the two often go together, one does not ensure the other. Most of the prosperous nations in the history of man have been so while invading their neighbors, or even across the other side of the world. We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism. How'd that work out?</p><p>I'm all for expanded trade and opening more markets. But that just brings wealth, not freedom, and certainly not utopia.</p></div><p>That's true. <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/234589" title="newsweek.com">And you aren't the only one to notice, either.</a> [newsweek.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just another variant of the " prosperity = peace " argument .
While the two often go together , one does not ensure the other .
Most of the prosperous nations in the history of man have been so while invading their neighbors , or even across the other side of the world .
We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism .
How 'd that work out ? I 'm all for expanded trade and opening more markets .
But that just brings wealth , not freedom , and certainly not utopia.That 's true .
And you are n't the only one to notice , either .
[ newsweek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just another variant of the "prosperity = peace" argument.
While the two often go together, one does not ensure the other.
Most of the prosperous nations in the history of man have been so while invading their neighbors, or even across the other side of the world.
We had this same prediction 20 years ago... the increased trade with China would make it a free country and bring political liberalism.
How'd that work out?I'm all for expanded trade and opening more markets.
But that just brings wealth, not freedom, and certainly not utopia.That's true.
And you aren't the only one to notice, either.
[newsweek.com]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490860</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I would ordinarily never bother going to China, cause there's not quite enough there that interests me to be worth the visa hassle.  I'd love to see Europe, but I don't much enjoy air travel, so it's currently not worth me making the journey unless I plan to stay a year or more.</p><p>But I do enjoy rail travel, and find railways interesting in and of themselves.  I would be <em>all over</em> a rail link from China to Europe if there was a reasonable passenger service at a reasonable cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would ordinarily never bother going to China , cause there 's not quite enough there that interests me to be worth the visa hassle .
I 'd love to see Europe , but I do n't much enjoy air travel , so it 's currently not worth me making the journey unless I plan to stay a year or more.But I do enjoy rail travel , and find railways interesting in and of themselves .
I would be all over a rail link from China to Europe if there was a reasonable passenger service at a reasonable cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would ordinarily never bother going to China, cause there's not quite enough there that interests me to be worth the visa hassle.
I'd love to see Europe, but I don't much enjoy air travel, so it's currently not worth me making the journey unless I plan to stay a year or more.But I do enjoy rail travel, and find railways interesting in and of themselves.
I would be all over a rail link from China to Europe if there was a reasonable passenger service at a reasonable cost.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489742</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1268657640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Invest in our infrastructure? That would be communism! You're not a communist, are you?</p><p>And yes, standard gauge is 4'8.5". US, UK, Australia, Canada, and China all use standard gauge, as well as most of Western Europe. Russia's gauge is 3" wider.</p><p>So they'd have a job on their hands to connect up with Europe. They may run a third rail through Russia that matches with one existing rail to form standard gauge (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual\_gauge" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual\_gauge</a> [wikipedia.org]). Or they could just not connect to the Russian rail network and run all new tracks (maybe necessary for high-speed anyway).</p><p>They have quite a job on their hands, that's for sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Invest in our infrastructure ?
That would be communism !
You 're not a communist , are you ? And yes , standard gauge is 4'8.5 " .
US , UK , Australia , Canada , and China all use standard gauge , as well as most of Western Europe .
Russia 's gauge is 3 " wider.So they 'd have a job on their hands to connect up with Europe .
They may run a third rail through Russia that matches with one existing rail to form standard gauge ( see http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual \ _gauge [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
Or they could just not connect to the Russian rail network and run all new tracks ( maybe necessary for high-speed anyway ) .They have quite a job on their hands , that 's for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Invest in our infrastructure?
That would be communism!
You're not a communist, are you?And yes, standard gauge is 4'8.5".
US, UK, Australia, Canada, and China all use standard gauge, as well as most of Western Europe.
Russia's gauge is 3" wider.So they'd have a job on their hands to connect up with Europe.
They may run a third rail through Russia that matches with one existing rail to form standard gauge (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual\_gauge [wikipedia.org]).
Or they could just not connect to the Russian rail network and run all new tracks (maybe necessary for high-speed anyway).They have quite a job on their hands, that's for sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489576</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268656800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work. If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe. On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).</p></div><p>If you knew what a "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third\_World" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">third world country</a> [wikipedia.org]" actually was, you would know that is quite impossible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work .
If I remember correctly , that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe .
On the other hand , if this becomes cheap enough for car travel ( which it probably already is ) , Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country ( unless the US decides to invest in itself ) .If you knew what a " third world country [ wikipedia.org ] " actually was , you would know that is quite impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.
If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.
On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).If you knew what a "third world country [wikipedia.org]" actually was, you would know that is quite impossible.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490918</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268665080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>it does, Ze Germans build it for them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it does , Ze Germans build it for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it does, Ze Germans build it for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491492</id>
	<title>Re:High Speed Rail and Freight are Mutually Exclus</title>
	<author>RobertinXinyang</author>
	<datestamp>1268669580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Juts to tel you, the High-speed trains in China, also known as the "D" trains, do run on the same track as everything else. Of course, the maglev does not. But, the maglev is a very short run in comparison the the number of High-speed runs in China</htmltext>
<tokenext>Juts to tel you , the High-speed trains in China , also known as the " D " trains , do run on the same track as everything else .
Of course , the maglev does not .
But , the maglev is a very short run in comparison the the number of High-speed runs in China</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Juts to tel you, the High-speed trains in China, also known as the "D" trains, do run on the same track as everything else.
Of course, the maglev does not.
But, the maglev is a very short run in comparison the the number of High-speed runs in China</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489508</id>
	<title>US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268656380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So China is building infrastructure that will let them transport goods throughout Asia and Europe very quickly and cheaply.  Meanwhile, here in the US, people are fighting against the idea of building highspeed rail even between a handful of cities that are right next to each other.
</p><p>If we don't turn it around, our economy is going down the tubes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So China is building infrastructure that will let them transport goods throughout Asia and Europe very quickly and cheaply .
Meanwhile , here in the US , people are fighting against the idea of building highspeed rail even between a handful of cities that are right next to each other .
If we do n't turn it around , our economy is going down the tubes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So China is building infrastructure that will let them transport goods throughout Asia and Europe very quickly and cheaply.
Meanwhile, here in the US, people are fighting against the idea of building highspeed rail even between a handful of cities that are right next to each other.
If we don't turn it around, our economy is going down the tubes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492736</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268731380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You missed the "equality" part of that equation, didn't you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the " equality " part of that equation , did n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the "equality" part of that equation, didn't you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495370</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268753520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I keep seeing this argument, and it's absolutely ludicrous. Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941? You may have heard of that country's leader. He's invoked here a lot on Slashdot.</p></div><p>Mike Godwin?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep seeing this argument , and it 's absolutely ludicrous .
Guess who France 's number one trading partner was before 1941 ?
You may have heard of that country 's leader .
He 's invoked here a lot on Slashdot.Mike Godwin ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep seeing this argument, and it's absolutely ludicrous.
Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941?
You may have heard of that country's leader.
He's invoked here a lot on Slashdot.Mike Godwin?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31517212</id>
	<title>Re:High speed rail is for poor people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268830440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Virtually all local transportation problems, as well as the issues of urban centralization, are a result of government force.  The government's central planning (urban planning, zoning, location of government services, etc) is the reason for the extremes of urban density, especially after the invention of the Internet.</p><p>Inefficient, improperly incentivized, and inherently corrupt government monopoly is the reason why we don't have underground and elevated private toll highways where you can drive (or be driven) at 200 MPH!  Government-subsidized cheap oil (paid for with trillion-dollar oil wars at tax victim expense) and regulation red tape is the reason why we don't have cheap electric power, cheap electric cars, and cheap electric helicopters / heli-buses for the middle class!  Etc, etc, etc.</p><p>(Signed: Alex Libman's sock-puppet.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Virtually all local transportation problems , as well as the issues of urban centralization , are a result of government force .
The government 's central planning ( urban planning , zoning , location of government services , etc ) is the reason for the extremes of urban density , especially after the invention of the Internet.Inefficient , improperly incentivized , and inherently corrupt government monopoly is the reason why we do n't have underground and elevated private toll highways where you can drive ( or be driven ) at 200 MPH !
Government-subsidized cheap oil ( paid for with trillion-dollar oil wars at tax victim expense ) and regulation red tape is the reason why we do n't have cheap electric power , cheap electric cars , and cheap electric helicopters / heli-buses for the middle class !
Etc , etc , etc .
( Signed : Alex Libman 's sock-puppet .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virtually all local transportation problems, as well as the issues of urban centralization, are a result of government force.
The government's central planning (urban planning, zoning, location of government services, etc) is the reason for the extremes of urban density, especially after the invention of the Internet.Inefficient, improperly incentivized, and inherently corrupt government monopoly is the reason why we don't have underground and elevated private toll highways where you can drive (or be driven) at 200 MPH!
Government-subsidized cheap oil (paid for with trillion-dollar oil wars at tax victim expense) and regulation red tape is the reason why we don't have cheap electric power, cheap electric cars, and cheap electric helicopters / heli-buses for the middle class!
Etc, etc, etc.
(Signed: Alex Libman's sock-puppet.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490438</id>
	<title>Re:Europe \_and\_ the UK?</title>
	<author>Chuq</author>
	<datestamp>1268661660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I've heard residents of the UK generally deny they are part of "Europe", they like to keep a separate identity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've heard residents of the UK generally deny they are part of " Europe " , they like to keep a separate identity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've heard residents of the UK generally deny they are part of "Europe", they like to keep a separate identity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491536</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268670240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wikipedia is wrong; the term "third world" has a different meaning now from the one that Sauvy originally intended:</p><p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/third+world" title="reference.com">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/third+world</a> [reference.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia is wrong ; the term " third world " has a different meaning now from the one that Sauvy originally intended : http : //dictionary.reference.com/browse/third + world [ reference.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia is wrong; the term "third world" has a different meaning now from the one that Sauvy originally intended:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/third+world [reference.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495076</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1268752440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's worth considering that at the moment Europe is screaming at Greece because it has a 10\% unemployment rate.  The USA looks at itself, sees the same number and thinks that it is normal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth considering that at the moment Europe is screaming at Greece because it has a 10 \ % unemployment rate .
The USA looks at itself , sees the same number and thinks that it is normal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth considering that at the moment Europe is screaming at Greece because it has a 10\% unemployment rate.
The USA looks at itself, sees the same number and thinks that it is normal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490422</id>
	<title>Don't be such a worry-wart!</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1268661600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, it's already much cheaper to ship goods from Asia to America, thanks to the super-barges just crossing the Pacific. They have to go quite a bit further to get to Europe.</p><p>Second, the United States already has a well developed rail system. The only reason we don't use it more is because fuel costs are so low in the United States.</p><p>Never mind. We're screwed. The sky is falling. Agyugh! RUN FOR COVER!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , it 's already much cheaper to ship goods from Asia to America , thanks to the super-barges just crossing the Pacific .
They have to go quite a bit further to get to Europe.Second , the United States already has a well developed rail system .
The only reason we do n't use it more is because fuel costs are so low in the United States.Never mind .
We 're screwed .
The sky is falling .
Agyugh ! RUN FOR COVER ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, it's already much cheaper to ship goods from Asia to America, thanks to the super-barges just crossing the Pacific.
They have to go quite a bit further to get to Europe.Second, the United States already has a well developed rail system.
The only reason we don't use it more is because fuel costs are so low in the United States.Never mind.
We're screwed.
The sky is falling.
Agyugh! RUN FOR COVER!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489920</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>rahvin112</author>
	<datestamp>1268658780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't transport goods on high speed rail. And why anyone would want to take a train through some of the most unstable countries in the world is beyond me. Sounds like a terrible waste of money. You talk about the US doing it but do you have ANY concept on how much high speed rail costs to build in the US? The high speed rail being built between Detroit and Chicago will cost over $2billion, the cost to build a line from LA to NY would be multiple trillions, guessing I would say 6-8 Trillion dollars. For that money we could buy everyone in the US a plane ticket and make planes the burn pure corn oil and still save trillions.</p><p>High speed rail is a non-starter in the US, construction costs are massive and the property costs even more. High speed rail works in much of europe because the lines are built on fairly flat plains (with only major cities connected and short distances between) with a few tunnels through the alps but the topography and distances in the US make high speed rail vastly uneconomical, in fact for freight it would be far cheaper to load it on a boat and sail it around the continent. Planes moving passengers around the US are hundreds of times cheaper both in cost to operate and cost to construct. Planes also need far less maintenance. Do you have any idea how much money the spend in Europe to maintain those high speed rail lines per mile? High speed rail makes sense in Europe for precisely the same reasons it doesn't make sense in the US. There are large cities fairly close together such that air travel doesn't make much sense in that the delays to take off and land are easily bypassed with rail. Those same short distances make maintenance cheaper and travel times quicker by rail and many of the large cities are constructed in the plains near the coast, the large inland cities are limited and easily connected to. The distance between major cities in the US can easily exceed the largest separation in Europe.</p><p>It immensely frustrating to compare the US and Europe transportation networks with such a broad stroke. There are many many factors why the US doesn't have workable high speed rail and most of it is geographic. Had high speed rail been economical the major rail companies would have built the lines themselves. Even as it is the only Amtrak lines in the US that are profitable are a couple short connections on the east coast. The rest of Amtrak's operations lose 2 billion a year. High Speed rail would only exacerbate those losses. Unless you are willing to double or triple your taxes don't suggest High speed rail in the US, it's simply not economical at our geographic scale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't transport goods on high speed rail .
And why anyone would want to take a train through some of the most unstable countries in the world is beyond me .
Sounds like a terrible waste of money .
You talk about the US doing it but do you have ANY concept on how much high speed rail costs to build in the US ?
The high speed rail being built between Detroit and Chicago will cost over $ 2billion , the cost to build a line from LA to NY would be multiple trillions , guessing I would say 6-8 Trillion dollars .
For that money we could buy everyone in the US a plane ticket and make planes the burn pure corn oil and still save trillions.High speed rail is a non-starter in the US , construction costs are massive and the property costs even more .
High speed rail works in much of europe because the lines are built on fairly flat plains ( with only major cities connected and short distances between ) with a few tunnels through the alps but the topography and distances in the US make high speed rail vastly uneconomical , in fact for freight it would be far cheaper to load it on a boat and sail it around the continent .
Planes moving passengers around the US are hundreds of times cheaper both in cost to operate and cost to construct .
Planes also need far less maintenance .
Do you have any idea how much money the spend in Europe to maintain those high speed rail lines per mile ?
High speed rail makes sense in Europe for precisely the same reasons it does n't make sense in the US .
There are large cities fairly close together such that air travel does n't make much sense in that the delays to take off and land are easily bypassed with rail .
Those same short distances make maintenance cheaper and travel times quicker by rail and many of the large cities are constructed in the plains near the coast , the large inland cities are limited and easily connected to .
The distance between major cities in the US can easily exceed the largest separation in Europe.It immensely frustrating to compare the US and Europe transportation networks with such a broad stroke .
There are many many factors why the US does n't have workable high speed rail and most of it is geographic .
Had high speed rail been economical the major rail companies would have built the lines themselves .
Even as it is the only Amtrak lines in the US that are profitable are a couple short connections on the east coast .
The rest of Amtrak 's operations lose 2 billion a year .
High Speed rail would only exacerbate those losses .
Unless you are willing to double or triple your taxes do n't suggest High speed rail in the US , it 's simply not economical at our geographic scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't transport goods on high speed rail.
And why anyone would want to take a train through some of the most unstable countries in the world is beyond me.
Sounds like a terrible waste of money.
You talk about the US doing it but do you have ANY concept on how much high speed rail costs to build in the US?
The high speed rail being built between Detroit and Chicago will cost over $2billion, the cost to build a line from LA to NY would be multiple trillions, guessing I would say 6-8 Trillion dollars.
For that money we could buy everyone in the US a plane ticket and make planes the burn pure corn oil and still save trillions.High speed rail is a non-starter in the US, construction costs are massive and the property costs even more.
High speed rail works in much of europe because the lines are built on fairly flat plains (with only major cities connected and short distances between) with a few tunnels through the alps but the topography and distances in the US make high speed rail vastly uneconomical, in fact for freight it would be far cheaper to load it on a boat and sail it around the continent.
Planes moving passengers around the US are hundreds of times cheaper both in cost to operate and cost to construct.
Planes also need far less maintenance.
Do you have any idea how much money the spend in Europe to maintain those high speed rail lines per mile?
High speed rail makes sense in Europe for precisely the same reasons it doesn't make sense in the US.
There are large cities fairly close together such that air travel doesn't make much sense in that the delays to take off and land are easily bypassed with rail.
Those same short distances make maintenance cheaper and travel times quicker by rail and many of the large cities are constructed in the plains near the coast, the large inland cities are limited and easily connected to.
The distance between major cities in the US can easily exceed the largest separation in Europe.It immensely frustrating to compare the US and Europe transportation networks with such a broad stroke.
There are many many factors why the US doesn't have workable high speed rail and most of it is geographic.
Had high speed rail been economical the major rail companies would have built the lines themselves.
Even as it is the only Amtrak lines in the US that are profitable are a couple short connections on the east coast.
The rest of Amtrak's operations lose 2 billion a year.
High Speed rail would only exacerbate those losses.
Unless you are willing to double or triple your taxes don't suggest High speed rail in the US, it's simply not economical at our geographic scale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494714</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268751300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1950 something until 1968</p><p>CIA experiments with mind control using LSD amongst other terrible measures on thousands of US citizens without their consent. Came to an end in 1968 when Bonanza was first shown in color on TV. CIA now has their mind control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1950 something until 1968CIA experiments with mind control using LSD amongst other terrible measures on thousands of US citizens without their consent .
Came to an end in 1968 when Bonanza was first shown in color on TV .
CIA now has their mind control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1950 something until 1968CIA experiments with mind control using LSD amongst other terrible measures on thousands of US citizens without their consent.
Came to an end in 1968 when Bonanza was first shown in color on TV.
CIA now has their mind control.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493062</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>joe\_frisch</author>
	<datestamp>1268735760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need take it the whole way. At 300Km/h average, a 1000km trip might be faster by rail than by air (city center to city center and counting airport delays).</p><p>I've ridden Chinese high speed rail - its a nice system, as good as the European or Japanese, and somewhat faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need take it the whole way .
At 300Km/h average , a 1000km trip might be faster by rail than by air ( city center to city center and counting airport delays ) .I 've ridden Chinese high speed rail - its a nice system , as good as the European or Japanese , and somewhat faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need take it the whole way.
At 300Km/h average, a 1000km trip might be faster by rail than by air (city center to city center and counting airport delays).I've ridden Chinese high speed rail - its a nice system, as good as the European or Japanese, and somewhat faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491190</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Rocketship Underpant</author>
	<datestamp>1268667120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would propose Japan as the leader in this category.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would propose Japan as the leader in this category .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would propose Japan as the leader in this category.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492820</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>gnalle</author>
	<datestamp>1268732580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An average freight ship sails at a speed between 20 and 40 kilometers per hour so the train is ten times faster. On the other hand train transport must be more expensive and more polluting. After all you need a lot of trains to replace a single container vessel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An average freight ship sails at a speed between 20 and 40 kilometers per hour so the train is ten times faster .
On the other hand train transport must be more expensive and more polluting .
After all you need a lot of trains to replace a single container vessel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An average freight ship sails at a speed between 20 and 40 kilometers per hour so the train is ten times faster.
On the other hand train transport must be more expensive and more polluting.
After all you need a lot of trains to replace a single container vessel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31503468</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268746080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's hardly surprising countries that are occupied by military force - as France was, by the beginning of 1941 - do a lot of trade with their occupiers.</p><p>After 1945, on the other hand, France and Germany decided to establish strong trade links specifically to keep the peace. That resolution culminated in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European\_Coal\_and\_Steel\_Community" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">European Coal &amp; Steel Community</a> [wikipedia.org], the first forerunner to the modern European Union.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's hardly surprising countries that are occupied by military force - as France was , by the beginning of 1941 - do a lot of trade with their occupiers.After 1945 , on the other hand , France and Germany decided to establish strong trade links specifically to keep the peace .
That resolution culminated in the European Coal &amp; Steel Community [ wikipedia.org ] , the first forerunner to the modern European Union .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's hardly surprising countries that are occupied by military force - as France was, by the beginning of 1941 - do a lot of trade with their occupiers.After 1945, on the other hand, France and Germany decided to establish strong trade links specifically to keep the peace.
That resolution culminated in the European Coal &amp; Steel Community [wikipedia.org], the first forerunner to the modern European Union.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490510</id>
	<title>Great idea!</title>
	<author>amightywind</author>
	<datestamp>1268662140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a great idea. It turns a six hour flight into a 3 day ordeal! What a wonder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a great idea .
It turns a six hour flight into a 3 day ordeal !
What a wonder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a great idea.
It turns a six hour flight into a 3 day ordeal!
What a wonder.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495346</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268753400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, remember all those old Bond films like Goldfinger? Lots of Chinese bad guys. Now they don't have to destroy Fort Knox. There isn't anything in that building anymore but a bunch of old used monitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , remember all those old Bond films like Goldfinger ?
Lots of Chinese bad guys .
Now they do n't have to destroy Fort Knox .
There is n't anything in that building anymore but a bunch of old used monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, remember all those old Bond films like Goldfinger?
Lots of Chinese bad guys.
Now they don't have to destroy Fort Knox.
There isn't anything in that building anymore but a bunch of old used monitors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490868</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1268664600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Europe? Flat? Hah. I guess you never went to Switzerland. The US has a lot of flatland. The major problem is indeed population density and distance between urban centers. The US only has a couple of areas like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Europe ?
Flat ? Hah .
I guess you never went to Switzerland .
The US has a lot of flatland .
The major problem is indeed population density and distance between urban centers .
The US only has a couple of areas like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europe?
Flat? Hah.
I guess you never went to Switzerland.
The US has a lot of flatland.
The major problem is indeed population density and distance between urban centers.
The US only has a couple of areas like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491778</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268672460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sorry to say, your economy has already gone down the tubes, spent some time in the sewer, and is now resisting any attempt to scrub it clean by any means necessary.</p></div><p>I wish I disagreed with that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>You have a sizable population against bank reform,</p></div><p>That's not quite correct. I think most Americans agree that our banking system is totally screwed up. You might get the opposite impression by watching the news, where the Tea Party idiots dominate. But they're not a majority, they're a noisy minority. Consider that the person most of them would like to see in the White House is a lady widely regarded as the least competent politician in America.</p><p>The problem is that banking reform has to get approved by legislators who have to spend a lot of money to keep their jobs. And that gives the banking interests way too much clout, regardless of what the public at large believes. Note that the main proponent of banking reform is the President, and I think his views on the subject are closer to representing the popular will than anybody.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>even more against providing basic health care,</p></div><p>We <i>do</i> provide basic health care. We just don't provide it very efficiently (our per-capita costs are <i>three times</i> anyone else, and still growing), and provide a criminally low level of care to maybe 1/3 of the population. Again, the main opposition  is a minority and some well-financed interests. Here the majority has a vague notion that something's wrong, and that same President keeps trying to rally them for reform. I think the big problem here is that most people  experience a health care system that's flawed but servicible, if you ignore its high cost &mdash; and the way we structure things, that's easy to do.</p><p>And in the general economic context, this is indeed a Very Bad Thing. High health care costs aren't the only reason U.S. manufacturing isn't competitive, but it's a big one.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Well... A train on high speed rail. Something that, as you pointed out, is also being resisted tooth and nail.</p></div><p>I don't see a huge resistance to high-speed rail as such. The main problem is cost and NIMBYism.</p><p>The cost comes from the fact that we've had an anti-rail bias in our transportation planning for about a century. Highways are more popular with with voters (you get a lot more freedom of movement with a personal vehicle) and various property interests (a gigantic amount of money has been made by developing land that wouldn't have any value if housing were concentrated around rail corridors, as it is in Europe). So now that people are beginning to realize that tearing up all those urban rail lines was a mistake, it's way too expensive to buy up the right of way to build them back.</p><p>(Incidentally, France faced the same cost issue some decades back, when they realized they didn't have nearly enough passenger rail capacity. Building more rail lines was not affordable. But, unlike the U.S., they did have established <i>straight</i> rail corridors that could be upgraded without buying more land. So they made the trains faster, increasing their carrying capacity. Being able to travel from the English channel to the Med in less than 8 hours is just gravy.)</p><p>The NIMBYism is simply because of the huge impact of high-speed rail on the local urban environment. Take the LA-SF project. Funding for that was approved by a popular vote, but now that it's moving forward, communities around the route are not happy about the impact. Of course the impact wouldn't be nearly as bad as that of existing freeways &mdash; but we've already accommodated ourselves to that. But the cities on the San Francisco peninsula have suddenly realized that this new system would have to go through their downtowns, and aren't happy about it.</p><p>So anyway, you're right, we're totally and completely screwed. But don't blame it entirely on current stupidity. That's a factor, but there's also an excess of self-interest by <i>everybody</i> and the sheer mind-boggling cost of fixing past mistake.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to say , your economy has already gone down the tubes , spent some time in the sewer , and is now resisting any attempt to scrub it clean by any means necessary.I wish I disagreed with that.You have a sizable population against bank reform,That 's not quite correct .
I think most Americans agree that our banking system is totally screwed up .
You might get the opposite impression by watching the news , where the Tea Party idiots dominate .
But they 're not a majority , they 're a noisy minority .
Consider that the person most of them would like to see in the White House is a lady widely regarded as the least competent politician in America.The problem is that banking reform has to get approved by legislators who have to spend a lot of money to keep their jobs .
And that gives the banking interests way too much clout , regardless of what the public at large believes .
Note that the main proponent of banking reform is the President , and I think his views on the subject are closer to representing the popular will than anybody.even more against providing basic health care,We do provide basic health care .
We just do n't provide it very efficiently ( our per-capita costs are three times anyone else , and still growing ) , and provide a criminally low level of care to maybe 1/3 of the population .
Again , the main opposition is a minority and some well-financed interests .
Here the majority has a vague notion that something 's wrong , and that same President keeps trying to rally them for reform .
I think the big problem here is that most people experience a health care system that 's flawed but servicible , if you ignore its high cost    and the way we structure things , that 's easy to do.And in the general economic context , this is indeed a Very Bad Thing .
High health care costs are n't the only reason U.S. manufacturing is n't competitive , but it 's a big one.Well... A train on high speed rail .
Something that , as you pointed out , is also being resisted tooth and nail.I do n't see a huge resistance to high-speed rail as such .
The main problem is cost and NIMBYism.The cost comes from the fact that we 've had an anti-rail bias in our transportation planning for about a century .
Highways are more popular with with voters ( you get a lot more freedom of movement with a personal vehicle ) and various property interests ( a gigantic amount of money has been made by developing land that would n't have any value if housing were concentrated around rail corridors , as it is in Europe ) .
So now that people are beginning to realize that tearing up all those urban rail lines was a mistake , it 's way too expensive to buy up the right of way to build them back .
( Incidentally , France faced the same cost issue some decades back , when they realized they did n't have nearly enough passenger rail capacity .
Building more rail lines was not affordable .
But , unlike the U.S. , they did have established straight rail corridors that could be upgraded without buying more land .
So they made the trains faster , increasing their carrying capacity .
Being able to travel from the English channel to the Med in less than 8 hours is just gravy .
) The NIMBYism is simply because of the huge impact of high-speed rail on the local urban environment .
Take the LA-SF project .
Funding for that was approved by a popular vote , but now that it 's moving forward , communities around the route are not happy about the impact .
Of course the impact would n't be nearly as bad as that of existing freeways    but we 've already accommodated ourselves to that .
But the cities on the San Francisco peninsula have suddenly realized that this new system would have to go through their downtowns , and are n't happy about it.So anyway , you 're right , we 're totally and completely screwed .
But do n't blame it entirely on current stupidity .
That 's a factor , but there 's also an excess of self-interest by everybody and the sheer mind-boggling cost of fixing past mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to say, your economy has already gone down the tubes, spent some time in the sewer, and is now resisting any attempt to scrub it clean by any means necessary.I wish I disagreed with that.You have a sizable population against bank reform,That's not quite correct.
I think most Americans agree that our banking system is totally screwed up.
You might get the opposite impression by watching the news, where the Tea Party idiots dominate.
But they're not a majority, they're a noisy minority.
Consider that the person most of them would like to see in the White House is a lady widely regarded as the least competent politician in America.The problem is that banking reform has to get approved by legislators who have to spend a lot of money to keep their jobs.
And that gives the banking interests way too much clout, regardless of what the public at large believes.
Note that the main proponent of banking reform is the President, and I think his views on the subject are closer to representing the popular will than anybody.even more against providing basic health care,We do provide basic health care.
We just don't provide it very efficiently (our per-capita costs are three times anyone else, and still growing), and provide a criminally low level of care to maybe 1/3 of the population.
Again, the main opposition  is a minority and some well-financed interests.
Here the majority has a vague notion that something's wrong, and that same President keeps trying to rally them for reform.
I think the big problem here is that most people  experience a health care system that's flawed but servicible, if you ignore its high cost — and the way we structure things, that's easy to do.And in the general economic context, this is indeed a Very Bad Thing.
High health care costs aren't the only reason U.S. manufacturing isn't competitive, but it's a big one.Well... A train on high speed rail.
Something that, as you pointed out, is also being resisted tooth and nail.I don't see a huge resistance to high-speed rail as such.
The main problem is cost and NIMBYism.The cost comes from the fact that we've had an anti-rail bias in our transportation planning for about a century.
Highways are more popular with with voters (you get a lot more freedom of movement with a personal vehicle) and various property interests (a gigantic amount of money has been made by developing land that wouldn't have any value if housing were concentrated around rail corridors, as it is in Europe).
So now that people are beginning to realize that tearing up all those urban rail lines was a mistake, it's way too expensive to buy up the right of way to build them back.
(Incidentally, France faced the same cost issue some decades back, when they realized they didn't have nearly enough passenger rail capacity.
Building more rail lines was not affordable.
But, unlike the U.S., they did have established straight rail corridors that could be upgraded without buying more land.
So they made the trains faster, increasing their carrying capacity.
Being able to travel from the English channel to the Med in less than 8 hours is just gravy.
)The NIMBYism is simply because of the huge impact of high-speed rail on the local urban environment.
Take the LA-SF project.
Funding for that was approved by a popular vote, but now that it's moving forward, communities around the route are not happy about the impact.
Of course the impact wouldn't be nearly as bad as that of existing freeways — but we've already accommodated ourselves to that.
But the cities on the San Francisco peninsula have suddenly realized that this new system would have to go through their downtowns, and aren't happy about it.So anyway, you're right, we're totally and completely screwed.
But don't blame it entirely on current stupidity.
That's a factor, but there's also an excess of self-interest by everybody and the sheer mind-boggling cost of fixing past mistake.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495816</id>
	<title>You thought democracy would catch hold in China</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268755140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Big business has seen what works, and it ain't democracy.</p><p>You better start the fight now because you sure ain't gonna be able to start it later. Democracy is draining away and the Chinese style corporate state will be on your doorstep sooner than you know it. It's being built right now all around you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big business has seen what works , and it ai n't democracy.You better start the fight now because you sure ai n't gon na be able to start it later .
Democracy is draining away and the Chinese style corporate state will be on your doorstep sooner than you know it .
It 's being built right now all around you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big business has seen what works, and it ain't democracy.You better start the fight now because you sure ain't gonna be able to start it later.
Democracy is draining away and the Chinese style corporate state will be on your doorstep sooner than you know it.
It's being built right now all around you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491566</id>
	<title>It's technically possible</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1268670480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The first US transcontinental railroad, with 1,700 miles of track, took only six years to build. Without heavy earthmoving equipment.  There was only one power shovel on the whole project.  The Trans-Siberian Railroad, from Moscow to Vladivostok,
took 18 years to build, opening in 1913.  That was a much tougher job than what China is proposing.  It's already possible to get from Beijing to Hamburg by rail.  More than possible; it's a major freight route.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first US transcontinental railroad , with 1,700 miles of track , took only six years to build .
Without heavy earthmoving equipment .
There was only one power shovel on the whole project .
The Trans-Siberian Railroad , from Moscow to Vladivostok , took 18 years to build , opening in 1913 .
That was a much tougher job than what China is proposing .
It 's already possible to get from Beijing to Hamburg by rail .
More than possible ; it 's a major freight route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The first US transcontinental railroad, with 1,700 miles of track, took only six years to build.
Without heavy earthmoving equipment.
There was only one power shovel on the whole project.
The Trans-Siberian Railroad, from Moscow to Vladivostok,
took 18 years to build, opening in 1913.
That was a much tougher job than what China is proposing.
It's already possible to get from Beijing to Hamburg by rail.
More than possible; it's a major freight route.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31496746</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268758440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell, where you going to get all that corn? Yeah, go ahead and keep draining the Midwest of their water to grow it with. Those aquifers wouldn't last long, plus with planes, they really pollute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell , where you going to get all that corn ?
Yeah , go ahead and keep draining the Midwest of their water to grow it with .
Those aquifers would n't last long , plus with planes , they really pollute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell, where you going to get all that corn?
Yeah, go ahead and keep draining the Midwest of their water to grow it with.
Those aquifers wouldn't last long, plus with planes, they really pollute.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495010</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268752200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you. Can you please find a way to get that message inside the states so that people outside of slashdot take notice?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you .
Can you please find a way to get that message inside the states so that people outside of slashdot take notice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you.
Can you please find a way to get that message inside the states so that people outside of slashdot take notice?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489700</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268657340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe</i> </p><p>Maybe not today, but in 30 or 40 years when dwindling oil makes the cost of air travel unsustainable?  Absolutely people will be willing to take a fast train.  Wouldn't surprise me if, in 100 years, there's a train over the Bering Straight linking Asia with North America.  These Asian folks think long term, unlike short-sighted Western politicians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe Maybe not today , but in 30 or 40 years when dwindling oil makes the cost of air travel unsustainable ?
Absolutely people will be willing to take a fast train .
Would n't surprise me if , in 100 years , there 's a train over the Bering Straight linking Asia with North America .
These Asian folks think long term , unlike short-sighted Western politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe Maybe not today, but in 30 or 40 years when dwindling oil makes the cost of air travel unsustainable?
Absolutely people will be willing to take a fast train.
Wouldn't surprise me if, in 100 years, there's a train over the Bering Straight linking Asia with North America.
These Asian folks think long term, unlike short-sighted Western politicians.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490878</id>
	<title>A high speed money trail.</title>
	<author>Ostracus</author>
	<datestamp>1268664720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations."</p><p>I'm not sure people have learned the lessons of the most recent "interdependence"? Just imagine the "stability" if it hadn't worked out?</p><p>"The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that won't listen to reason."</p><p>Would economic nutbags be any better?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful , albeit sometimes tense , negotiations .
" I 'm not sure people have learned the lessons of the most recent " interdependence " ?
Just imagine the " stability " if it had n't worked out ?
" The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that wo n't listen to reason .
" Would economic nutbags be any better ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"History has shown that economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations.
"I'm not sure people have learned the lessons of the most recent "interdependence"?
Just imagine the "stability" if it hadn't worked out?
"The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that won't listen to reason.
"Would economic nutbags be any better?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490238</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268660460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The answer to your question is that you are assuming that the train lines will only be used to transport PEOPLE.<br>The big chunk of money is coming from nightly goods transport. Also this kind train frees up the normal lines to do a lot (only) non human transport between a lot of places.<br>This is the hidden economic secret of all the high speed lines across europe.<br>50h (even 100h) to transport goods from Beijing to Seville is a bargain compared to the months to do it by boat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer to your question is that you are assuming that the train lines will only be used to transport PEOPLE.The big chunk of money is coming from nightly goods transport .
Also this kind train frees up the normal lines to do a lot ( only ) non human transport between a lot of places.This is the hidden economic secret of all the high speed lines across europe.50h ( even 100h ) to transport goods from Beijing to Seville is a bargain compared to the months to do it by boat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer to your question is that you are assuming that the train lines will only be used to transport PEOPLE.The big chunk of money is coming from nightly goods transport.
Also this kind train frees up the normal lines to do a lot (only) non human transport between a lot of places.This is the hidden economic secret of all the high speed lines across europe.50h (even 100h) to transport goods from Beijing to Seville is a bargain compared to the months to do it by boat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492718</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268730960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the GP meant with more trade, is that improving the transport infrastructure typically opens more opportunities for business in that region, instead of the actual infrastructure construction phase.</p><p>Of course, other things aside the infrastructure are also necessary, but typically infrastructure investments act as a catalyst to boosting local economy. At least that often happens in smaller scale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the GP meant with more trade , is that improving the transport infrastructure typically opens more opportunities for business in that region , instead of the actual infrastructure construction phase.Of course , other things aside the infrastructure are also necessary , but typically infrastructure investments act as a catalyst to boosting local economy .
At least that often happens in smaller scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the GP meant with more trade, is that improving the transport infrastructure typically opens more opportunities for business in that region, instead of the actual infrastructure construction phase.Of course, other things aside the infrastructure are also necessary, but typically infrastructure investments act as a catalyst to boosting local economy.
At least that often happens in smaller scale.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491292</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268667900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>haha french are n00bs!</htmltext>
<tokenext>haha french are n00bs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>haha french are n00bs!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491108</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>OctaviusIII</author>
	<datestamp>1268666460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, what?  "If this becomes cheap enough for car travel..."  What Londoner would want to drive a car around Beijing?  Or Delhi?  Still, I'd love to see Eurasia become a unified economic powerhouse!  An analogous situation in the US would probably be if it decides to invest in North America.  I can see the headlines now: "Washington bails out Mexican railway industry!  Senators cry foul!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , what ?
" If this becomes cheap enough for car travel... " What Londoner would want to drive a car around Beijing ?
Or Delhi ?
Still , I 'd love to see Eurasia become a unified economic powerhouse !
An analogous situation in the US would probably be if it decides to invest in North America .
I can see the headlines now : " Washington bails out Mexican railway industry !
Senators cry foul !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, what?
"If this becomes cheap enough for car travel..."  What Londoner would want to drive a car around Beijing?
Or Delhi?
Still, I'd love to see Eurasia become a unified economic powerhouse!
An analogous situation in the US would probably be if it decides to invest in North America.
I can see the headlines now: "Washington bails out Mexican railway industry!
Senators cry foul!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491498</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268669640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, plenty of Europeans (especially young people) travel all the way to China by train and then fly back home. It takes time but is also an interesting experience since there's so much to see along the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , plenty of Europeans ( especially young people ) travel all the way to China by train and then fly back home .
It takes time but is also an interesting experience since there 's so much to see along the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, plenty of Europeans (especially young people) travel all the way to China by train and then fly back home.
It takes time but is also an interesting experience since there's so much to see along the way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492226</id>
	<title>Re:Ah, that old chestnut again</title>
	<author>MacroRodent</author>
	<datestamp>1268678460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>yet it's just now climbing out of a third world status that it's been in for centuries.</i>
<p>
But just barely for 2 centuries. Up to the beginning of the 19th century, Chinese technology and culture was way ahead of Europe. This is why there still is mystique about Eastern wisdom. Civilizations rise and fall, then rise again, it is not a linear progression upwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yet it 's just now climbing out of a third world status that it 's been in for centuries .
But just barely for 2 centuries .
Up to the beginning of the 19th century , Chinese technology and culture was way ahead of Europe .
This is why there still is mystique about Eastern wisdom .
Civilizations rise and fall , then rise again , it is not a linear progression upwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yet it's just now climbing out of a third world status that it's been in for centuries.
But just barely for 2 centuries.
Up to the beginning of the 19th century, Chinese technology and culture was way ahead of Europe.
This is why there still is mystique about Eastern wisdom.
Civilizations rise and fall, then rise again, it is not a linear progression upwards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491840</id>
	<title>aww c'mon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268673240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what's up with all the cynical attitudes?<br>Cut the chicoms some slack here.<br>Maybe they're just interested in becoming the dominating power...c'mon now...</p><p>On a more serious note, Bering straits, tunnel, America,...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what 's up with all the cynical attitudes ? Cut the chicoms some slack here.Maybe they 're just interested in becoming the dominating power...c'mon now...On a more serious note , Bering straits , tunnel , America,.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what's up with all the cynical attitudes?Cut the chicoms some slack here.Maybe they're just interested in becoming the dominating power...c'mon now...On a more serious note, Bering straits, tunnel, America,...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490012</id>
	<title>Yay.</title>
	<author>Securityemo</author>
	<datestamp>1268659200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anything that makes it easier to move products, people and materials from one point on the globe to another can't be bad. Just as long as they keep corruption in check and don't crack too many eggs to make the omelette. As a westerner, it certainly looks like most of the problems of this type is tied to perverted intent and selfishness down the chain of command (with regional officials by necessity having to have quite a bit of power due to chinas sheer size). Any mainlanders/expatriates able to comment on how things like this usually winds up?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything that makes it easier to move products , people and materials from one point on the globe to another ca n't be bad .
Just as long as they keep corruption in check and do n't crack too many eggs to make the omelette .
As a westerner , it certainly looks like most of the problems of this type is tied to perverted intent and selfishness down the chain of command ( with regional officials by necessity having to have quite a bit of power due to chinas sheer size ) .
Any mainlanders/expatriates able to comment on how things like this usually winds up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything that makes it easier to move products, people and materials from one point on the globe to another can't be bad.
Just as long as they keep corruption in check and don't crack too many eggs to make the omelette.
As a westerner, it certainly looks like most of the problems of this type is tied to perverted intent and selfishness down the chain of command (with regional officials by necessity having to have quite a bit of power due to chinas sheer size).
Any mainlanders/expatriates able to comment on how things like this usually winds up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489916</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1268658720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.</i><br>Actually track gauge is pretty standardised. Western Europe, china and the US are all dominated by "standard gauge" (4ft8.5in). Eastern Europe seems to be a mixture of standard gauge and Russian gauge</p><p>Given that both china and western europe use standard gauge I would expect this line to be standard gauge and any countries using something else will either just have to live with the new line being a different gauge from everything else or have their section of the new line laid in double gauge (however double gauge track increases costs significantly).</p><p><i>If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.</i><br>That was a loading gauge (the maximum dimensions of the train to safely traverse the line) issue. Normal European trains are too big to traverse British lines but the smaller Eurostar trains can run fine on both.</p><p>As shown by the Eurostar case loading gauge is less of an issue. You can design trains to run on the smallest loading gauge they will encounter and/or build new lines to the largest loading gauge of trains they will encounter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.Actually track gauge is pretty standardised .
Western Europe , china and the US are all dominated by " standard gauge " ( 4ft8.5in ) .
Eastern Europe seems to be a mixture of standard gauge and Russian gaugeGiven that both china and western europe use standard gauge I would expect this line to be standard gauge and any countries using something else will either just have to live with the new line being a different gauge from everything else or have their section of the new line laid in double gauge ( however double gauge track increases costs significantly ) .If I remember correctly , that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.That was a loading gauge ( the maximum dimensions of the train to safely traverse the line ) issue .
Normal European trains are too big to traverse British lines but the smaller Eurostar trains can run fine on both.As shown by the Eurostar case loading gauge is less of an issue .
You can design trains to run on the smallest loading gauge they will encounter and/or build new lines to the largest loading gauge of trains they will encounter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.Actually track gauge is pretty standardised.
Western Europe, china and the US are all dominated by "standard gauge" (4ft8.5in).
Eastern Europe seems to be a mixture of standard gauge and Russian gaugeGiven that both china and western europe use standard gauge I would expect this line to be standard gauge and any countries using something else will either just have to live with the new line being a different gauge from everything else or have their section of the new line laid in double gauge (however double gauge track increases costs significantly).If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.That was a loading gauge (the maximum dimensions of the train to safely traverse the line) issue.
Normal European trains are too big to traverse British lines but the smaller Eurostar trains can run fine on both.As shown by the Eurostar case loading gauge is less of an issue.
You can design trains to run on the smallest loading gauge they will encounter and/or build new lines to the largest loading gauge of trains they will encounter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491162</id>
	<title>Re:High Speed Rail and Freight are Mutually Exclus</title>
	<author>finity</author>
	<datestamp>1268666880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>F--k...  Bruce Perens?  What the heck are you up to these days, man?  Wait a second, I'll just click on your webpage and find out...</htmltext>
<tokenext>F--k... Bruce Perens ?
What the heck are you up to these days , man ?
Wait a second , I 'll just click on your webpage and find out.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F--k...  Bruce Perens?
What the heck are you up to these days, man?
Wait a second, I'll just click on your webpage and find out...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490780</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>WalksOnDirt</author>
	<datestamp>1268664000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>On the train you can put your feet back, relax, eat off a real table, sleep lying down, go for a stroll - the benefits far outweigh the trip time.</p></div></blockquote><p>But have you ever tried to do this on a <i>Chinese</i> train?</p><p>Well, that was my initial thought, but they will probably offer European class service too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the train you can put your feet back , relax , eat off a real table , sleep lying down , go for a stroll - the benefits far outweigh the trip time.But have you ever tried to do this on a Chinese train ? Well , that was my initial thought , but they will probably offer European class service too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the train you can put your feet back, relax, eat off a real table, sleep lying down, go for a stroll - the benefits far outweigh the trip time.But have you ever tried to do this on a Chinese train?Well, that was my initial thought, but they will probably offer European class service too.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493048</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1268735640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and moving freight at 350k/h is a big waste of energy. But whatever, it's freaking cool!</p></div><p>Freight trains generally don't run at 350k/h, mainly because they tend to be a hell of a lot heavier than passenger trains.  But a train line across Europe and Asia would follow a route much shorter than any of the major shipping lanes, which would make transport quicker.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and moving freight at 350k/h is a big waste of energy .
But whatever , it 's freaking cool ! Freight trains generally do n't run at 350k/h , mainly because they tend to be a hell of a lot heavier than passenger trains .
But a train line across Europe and Asia would follow a route much shorter than any of the major shipping lanes , which would make transport quicker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and moving freight at 350k/h is a big waste of energy.
But whatever, it's freaking cool!Freight trains generally don't run at 350k/h, mainly because they tend to be a hell of a lot heavier than passenger trains.
But a train line across Europe and Asia would follow a route much shorter than any of the major shipping lanes, which would make transport quicker.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493022</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268735220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941?"</p><p>You mean that Schicklgruber brat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Guess who France 's number one trading partner was before 1941 ?
" You mean that Schicklgruber brat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Guess who France's number one trading partner was before 1941?
"You mean that Schicklgruber brat?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494264</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>rubypossum</author>
	<datestamp>1268749080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In most cases that's not meddling, it's looking out for its own interest. There was plenty of meddling on the part of Russia. It was called USSR. In fact all countries under its jurisdiction were under an iron law that many died from. Including genocide against non-Russian.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most cases that 's not meddling , it 's looking out for its own interest .
There was plenty of meddling on the part of Russia .
It was called USSR .
In fact all countries under its jurisdiction were under an iron law that many died from .
Including genocide against non-Russian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most cases that's not meddling, it's looking out for its own interest.
There was plenty of meddling on the part of Russia.
It was called USSR.
In fact all countries under its jurisdiction were under an iron law that many died from.
Including genocide against non-Russian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31496944</id>
	<title>"Existing infrastructure in the EU"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268759100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In comparison to Japan and China, there's nothing you could call high speed trains over here. And (at least in Germany) the existing railway lines are being criminally neglected, so I wouldn't even want real high speed unless there's much more state oversight. Real high speed under current management would probably result in a super-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschede\_train\_disaster" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Eschede</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In comparison to Japan and China , there 's nothing you could call high speed trains over here .
And ( at least in Germany ) the existing railway lines are being criminally neglected , so I would n't even want real high speed unless there 's much more state oversight .
Real high speed under current management would probably result in a super-Eschede [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In comparison to Japan and China, there's nothing you could call high speed trains over here.
And (at least in Germany) the existing railway lines are being criminally neglected, so I wouldn't even want real high speed unless there's much more state oversight.
Real high speed under current management would probably result in a super-Eschede [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490484</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268661960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work. If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe. On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).</p></div><p>there is no need for the 1 train to run across the entire china/europe/russia/south asia network</p><p>what they plan to do is to simply allow the train to converge i.e  a trading/good transfer pt  (thus that station would have the china railtrack n the host country track  / allow the goods/trade/material xfer</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work .
If I remember correctly , that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe .
On the other hand , if this becomes cheap enough for car travel ( which it probably already is ) , Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country ( unless the US decides to invest in itself ) .there is no need for the 1 train to run across the entire china/europe/russia/south asia networkwhat they plan to do is to simply allow the train to converge i.e a trading/good transfer pt ( thus that station would have the china railtrack n the host country track / allow the goods/trade/material xfer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how the track width across different countries is going to work.
If I remember correctly, that was a similar problem when connecting the UK to Europe.
On the other hand, if this becomes cheap enough for car travel (which it probably already is), Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).there is no need for the 1 train to run across the entire china/europe/russia/south asia networkwhat they plan to do is to simply allow the train to converge i.e  a trading/good transfer pt  (thus that station would have the china railtrack n the host country track  / allow the goods/trade/material xfer
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31495606</id>
	<title>Re:Ah, that old chestnut again</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268754420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Life is a little harder over there and their population wants a middle class and they are working their butts off to have it. They are about where we were in the 1960's. They and India are on the rise. The US is in decline and Europe is the wild card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Life is a little harder over there and their population wants a middle class and they are working their butts off to have it .
They are about where we were in the 1960 's .
They and India are on the rise .
The US is in decline and Europe is the wild card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Life is a little harder over there and their population wants a middle class and they are working their butts off to have it.
They are about where we were in the 1960's.
They and India are on the rise.
The US is in decline and Europe is the wild card.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492790</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>CyberK</author>
	<datestamp>1268732280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Goodness me, I would have thought that the trade between France and Germany was significantly reduced after France declared war in 1939. Or maybe, you know, after Germany invaded France in 1940.

 If you had said before 1939 you would have been correct, remember that the USA arrived late for the party that was WWII.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Goodness me , I would have thought that the trade between France and Germany was significantly reduced after France declared war in 1939 .
Or maybe , you know , after Germany invaded France in 1940 .
If you had said before 1939 you would have been correct , remember that the USA arrived late for the party that was WWII .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goodness me, I would have thought that the trade between France and Germany was significantly reduced after France declared war in 1939.
Or maybe, you know, after Germany invaded France in 1940.
If you had said before 1939 you would have been correct, remember that the USA arrived late for the party that was WWII.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492904</id>
	<title>Re:High speed rail is for poor people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268733420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>At approximately 250-500 miles, city-centre to city-centre train travel beats out both car and plane in terms of convenience.  And that's not even with high speed rail, just regular intercity services.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At approximately 250-500 miles , city-centre to city-centre train travel beats out both car and plane in terms of convenience .
And that 's not even with high speed rail , just regular intercity services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At approximately 250-500 miles, city-centre to city-centre train travel beats out both car and plane in terms of convenience.
And that's not even with high speed rail, just regular intercity services.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489752</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268657700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but you don't understand how 'merica works!  We know how to drive you know?  Don't need no commie guberment  rail road rather than good old detroit muscle.</p><p>Say, could you pass me another Natty light while you're up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but you do n't understand how 'merica works !
We know how to drive you know ?
Do n't need no commie guberment rail road rather than good old detroit muscle.Say , could you pass me another Natty light while you 're up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but you don't understand how 'merica works!
We know how to drive you know?
Don't need no commie guberment  rail road rather than good old detroit muscle.Say, could you pass me another Natty light while you're up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491340</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268668200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Consider it a giant straw through which China will suck up Asia and Europe's raw materials.</i></p><p>Europe doesn't have any raw materials anymore; they were used up during the first wave of industrialization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider it a giant straw through which China will suck up Asia and Europe 's raw materials.Europe does n't have any raw materials anymore ; they were used up during the first wave of industrialization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider it a giant straw through which China will suck up Asia and Europe's raw materials.Europe doesn't have any raw materials anymore; they were used up during the first wave of industrialization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31501480</id>
	<title>Re:China to Europe</title>
	<author>OldOOCoboler</author>
	<datestamp>1268734260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How many people use a rail line from one terminus to the other?  I've taken Amtrak hundreds of times, but the absolute longest journey was D.C. to New Haven in a snowstorm when the airports were closed.  The rest were Boston to New Haven, New Haven to Philly, etc.  This project puts China at the center of a network and makes other points on the network both more important and more dependent on China.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many people use a rail line from one terminus to the other ?
I 've taken Amtrak hundreds of times , but the absolute longest journey was D.C. to New Haven in a snowstorm when the airports were closed .
The rest were Boston to New Haven , New Haven to Philly , etc .
This project puts China at the center of a network and makes other points on the network both more important and more dependent on China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many people use a rail line from one terminus to the other?
I've taken Amtrak hundreds of times, but the absolute longest journey was D.C. to New Haven in a snowstorm when the airports were closed.
The rest were Boston to New Haven, New Haven to Philly, etc.
This project puts China at the center of a network and makes other points on the network both more important and more dependent on China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490254</id>
	<title>Telecom cables, too</title>
	<author>billstewart</author>
	<datestamp>1268660580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have been a number of proposals for doing telecom cables along rail lines across Asia, providing shorter alternatives to the undersea cables.  They often get into trouble with either financing or right-of-way across South-West Asia, but if they're building a new railroad, it's easy to add conduits full of fiber at the same time.  Earthquakes, landslides, and train wrecks do create risks, but shorter distance really helps latency, and it's usually a lot easier to patch fiber around a section of railroad track than undersea.</p><p>On the other hand, you do need signs saying "Hey, Bubba, Don't Dig Here" in many more languages....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been a number of proposals for doing telecom cables along rail lines across Asia , providing shorter alternatives to the undersea cables .
They often get into trouble with either financing or right-of-way across South-West Asia , but if they 're building a new railroad , it 's easy to add conduits full of fiber at the same time .
Earthquakes , landslides , and train wrecks do create risks , but shorter distance really helps latency , and it 's usually a lot easier to patch fiber around a section of railroad track than undersea.On the other hand , you do need signs saying " Hey , Bubba , Do n't Dig Here " in many more languages... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been a number of proposals for doing telecom cables along rail lines across Asia, providing shorter alternatives to the undersea cables.
They often get into trouble with either financing or right-of-way across South-West Asia, but if they're building a new railroad, it's easy to add conduits full of fiber at the same time.
Earthquakes, landslides, and train wrecks do create risks, but shorter distance really helps latency, and it's usually a lot easier to patch fiber around a section of railroad track than undersea.On the other hand, you do need signs saying "Hey, Bubba, Don't Dig Here" in many more languages....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489776</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1268657820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China has too much money and needs somewhere to put it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China has too much money and needs somewhere to put it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China has too much money and needs somewhere to put it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490822</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268664300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell us more Mr. Economic Professor!!!</p><p>Any more hyperbole?  Oh noes...the sky is falling in the US!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell us more Mr. Economic Professor ! !
! Any more hyperbole ?
Oh noes...the sky is falling in the US ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell us more Mr. Economic Professor!!
!Any more hyperbole?
Oh noes...the sky is falling in the US!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31494808</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>snsr</author>
	<datestamp>1268751480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unless something major changes pretty soon, the US is totally and completely screwed</p></div></blockquote><p>You're defining an entire nation based on your interpretation of.. what, exactly? Mass media news?  Seriously, the quote above is one of the most uninformed, calloused, and pessimistic things I've read in quote some time.  America is a nation of capable, creative, industrious people - we'll make it through this, and hopefully be wiser for it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless something major changes pretty soon , the US is totally and completely screwedYou 're defining an entire nation based on your interpretation of.. what , exactly ?
Mass media news ?
Seriously , the quote above is one of the most uninformed , calloused , and pessimistic things I 've read in quote some time .
America is a nation of capable , creative , industrious people - we 'll make it through this , and hopefully be wiser for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless something major changes pretty soon, the US is totally and completely screwedYou're defining an entire nation based on your interpretation of.. what, exactly?
Mass media news?
Seriously, the quote above is one of the most uninformed, calloused, and pessimistic things I've read in quote some time.
America is a nation of capable, creative, industrious people - we'll make it through this, and hopefully be wiser for it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489434</id>
	<title>A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268655960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Through some of the most politically unstable regions of the world. What could possibly go wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Through some of the most politically unstable regions of the world .
What could possibly go wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Through some of the most politically unstable regions of the world.
What could possibly go wrong?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489786</id>
	<title>Multi-platform</title>
	<author>MrEricSir</author>
	<datestamp>1268657880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds crazy, but it's certainly possible to build a train that can accommodate multiple track widths.  Hell, it's been done before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds crazy , but it 's certainly possible to build a train that can accommodate multiple track widths .
Hell , it 's been done before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds crazy, but it's certainly possible to build a train that can accommodate multiple track widths.
Hell, it's been done before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493488</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>takowl</author>
	<datestamp>1268742300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed, most of the time, they aren't even reaching 200.</p></div><p>I think the reference is to <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8406910.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">this recent story</a> [bbc.co.uk] about the new trains going up to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan-Guangzhou\_High-Speed\_Railway" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">350 km/h</a> [wikipedia.org] (averaging 313), which have just come into operation. I'm thousands of miles away, so I can't check on the speed, but I think you (the French) might just have been overtaken.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed , most of the time , they are n't even reaching 200.I think the reference is to this recent story [ bbc.co.uk ] about the new trains going up to 350 km/h [ wikipedia.org ] ( averaging 313 ) , which have just come into operation .
I 'm thousands of miles away , so I ca n't check on the speed , but I think you ( the French ) might just have been overtaken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The HSR trains are rarely going to the announced 240 km/h top speed, most of the time, they aren't even reaching 200.I think the reference is to this recent story [bbc.co.uk] about the new trains going up to 350 km/h [wikipedia.org] (averaging 313), which have just come into operation.
I'm thousands of miles away, so I can't check on the speed, but I think you (the French) might just have been overtaken.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489604</id>
	<title>Re:Track width</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268656920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (<b>unless the US decides to invest in itself</b>).</p></div><p>I wonder what the US boosters will have to say without their most basic "but the USA is a big country" line of defense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country ( unless the US decides to invest in itself ) .I wonder what the US boosters will have to say without their most basic " but the USA is a big country " line of defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eurasia might become a unified economic powerhouse over the next half century while the US will become a third world country (unless the US decides to invest in itself).I wonder what the US boosters will have to say without their most basic "but the USA is a big country" line of defense.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492446</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>laron</author>
	<datestamp>1268681880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to go all the way. Traveling from Western Europe to Turkey for example could be a nice trip on the Orient Express.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to go all the way .
Traveling from Western Europe to Turkey for example could be a nice trip on the Orient Express .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to go all the way.
Traveling from Western Europe to Turkey for example could be a nice trip on the Orient Express.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31491304</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268667960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.</p></div><p>Prosperity has really helped reduce meddling, war and neocolonialism in America over the last hundred years.</p><p>It's not like seeking out profits has caused things like banana republics, overthrowing of democratically elected foreign governments, funding low-level guerilla warfare against populist leaders, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling , war and neocolonialism.Prosperity has really helped reduce meddling , war and neocolonialism in America over the last hundred years.It 's not like seeking out profits has caused things like banana republics , overthrowing of democratically elected foreign governments , funding low-level guerilla warfare against populist leaders , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.Prosperity has really helped reduce meddling, war and neocolonialism in America over the last hundred years.It's not like seeking out profits has caused things like banana republics, overthrowing of democratically elected foreign governments, funding low-level guerilla warfare against populist leaders, etc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489806</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268658000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We aren't even at the level of efficient high speed rail project designs. The plans in California are idiotically circuitous and discontinuous. <em>We</em> see such projects as opportunities to scam state and federal treasuries, not as useful and durable infrastructure to evolve and develop our economy. Soon Chinese media will be talking about <em>us</em> as an incompetent, backward, authoritarian Third World oligarchy.<br> <br>
Are we just going to let that happen? [That's a rhetorical question, BTW]</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are n't even at the level of efficient high speed rail project designs .
The plans in California are idiotically circuitous and discontinuous .
We see such projects as opportunities to scam state and federal treasuries , not as useful and durable infrastructure to evolve and develop our economy .
Soon Chinese media will be talking about us as an incompetent , backward , authoritarian Third World oligarchy .
Are we just going to let that happen ?
[ That 's a rhetorical question , BTW ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We aren't even at the level of efficient high speed rail project designs.
The plans in California are idiotically circuitous and discontinuous.
We see such projects as opportunities to scam state and federal treasuries, not as useful and durable infrastructure to evolve and develop our economy.
Soon Chinese media will be talking about us as an incompetent, backward, authoritarian Third World oligarchy.
Are we just going to let that happen?
[That's a rhetorical question, BTW]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493910</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268747160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then why are you living in China and not France?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then why are you living in China and not France ?
: p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then why are you living in China and not France?
:p</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31493018</id>
	<title>Meanwhile in Britain</title>
	<author>daffmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1268735220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're still struggling to link London and Birmingham. e.g. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/18/high-speed-rail-route" title="guardian.co.uk">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/18/high-speed-rail-route</a> [guardian.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're still struggling to link London and Birmingham .
e.g. http : //www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/18/high-speed-rail-route [ guardian.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're still struggling to link London and Birmingham.
e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/18/high-speed-rail-route [guardian.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31501616</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1268734980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>High-Speed Trains are as contaminants as airplanes,</i></p><p>Wrong.  Trains use far, far less fuel to transport cargo than airplanes.  The only thing more efficient than trains is cargo ships.  Even trucks are more efficient than planes.</p><p>Airplanes are the least environmentally-friendly way to transport anything.  The only reason they're used at all is because of speed, and versatility (you don't have to build roads or tracks, only airports, so the initial capital expense is lower).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High-Speed Trains are as contaminants as airplanes,Wrong .
Trains use far , far less fuel to transport cargo than airplanes .
The only thing more efficient than trains is cargo ships .
Even trucks are more efficient than planes.Airplanes are the least environmentally-friendly way to transport anything .
The only reason they 're used at all is because of speed , and versatility ( you do n't have to build roads or tracks , only airports , so the initial capital expense is lower ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High-Speed Trains are as contaminants as airplanes,Wrong.
Trains use far, far less fuel to transport cargo than airplanes.
The only thing more efficient than trains is cargo ships.
Even trucks are more efficient than planes.Airplanes are the least environmentally-friendly way to transport anything.
The only reason they're used at all is because of speed, and versatility (you don't have to build roads or tracks, only airports, so the initial capital expense is lower).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492350</id>
	<title>Re:Where did you see hispeed rails in China?</title>
	<author>blackraven14250</author>
	<datestamp>1268680080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, a French guy saying the French are the best at X? I guess I should believe this obviously unbiased source of unqualified information!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , a French guy saying the French are the best at X ?
I guess I should believe this obviously unbiased source of unqualified information !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, a French guy saying the French are the best at X?
I guess I should believe this obviously unbiased source of unqualified information!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490380</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489896</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>zondag</author>
	<datestamp>1268658660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.</p></div><p>You <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian\_Railway" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">already can</a> [wikipedia.org], though not high-speed. At the moment people take that train for the sake of the journey, not just to get from A to B.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it 's high speed , I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.You already can [ wikipedia.org ] , though not high-speed .
At the moment people take that train for the sake of the journey , not just to get from A to B .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.You already can [wikipedia.org], though not high-speed.
At the moment people take that train for the sake of the journey, not just to get from A to B.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492696</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>julian\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1268730600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.</p></div><p>Maybe not, but I live in London and sometime have to go to Shanghai for a few weeks for work. I would be on that train in a flash... what a great way to travel.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it 's high speed , I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.Maybe not , but I live in London and sometime have to go to Shanghai for a few weeks for work .
I would be on that train in a flash... what a great way to travel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.Maybe not, but I live in London and sometime have to go to Shanghai for a few weeks for work.
I would be on that train in a flash... what a great way to travel.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490466</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1268661900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think this is bad, wait until we go another 20 years without investing any money in infrastructure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think this is bad , wait until we go another 20 years without investing any money in infrastructure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think this is bad, wait until we go another 20 years without investing any money in infrastructure.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490682</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1268663280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds kinda mercantilist right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds kinda mercantilist right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds kinda mercantilist right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490648</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>isorox</author>
	<datestamp>1268663040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i># Also, what would be the advantage? I mean, take that you get in from the South of Spain and from there you go, non-stop, at 300 km/h. For a track length of 15.000 km(and that assumes you can do almost a straight line from start to end) that would mean 50 hours. More than by plane, and that after making very optimistic calculus. Also think that I didn't include time from switching trains if you need to.</i></p><p>Firstly, London-Istanbul-Tehran-Delhi-Beijing is well under 7,000 miles. A route via Berlin and Moscow is 5,200 miles. The later, at 250mph, is under 24 hours.</p><p>There is currently a direct daytime train from Essen to Vienna, which takes over 10 hours. It leaves at 05:00, and arrives at 15:20. I doubt anyone uses the train for the full length -- especially as you can get the 05:53, change once, and arrive at the same time.</p><p>The train stops at many places en-route though, and the overlapping, intermediate journeys, make it viable.</p><p>A London-&gt;Beijing train may be diehard (although 24 hours isn't that long a trip, the U.S. has multi-day trains, the Trans-Siberian takes a week), but London-&gt;Istanbul in 6 hours? That's competitive with the flight. Vienna-Tehran in 8 hours?</p><p>London -&gt; Delhi in 18 hours isn't that bad, leave London at 9AM Monday morning, arrive for 9AM Tuesday meeting. Leave Delhi 9PM Wednesday night, arrive 9AM Thursday morning, you'll be lucky to beat that on a plane, unless you're happy with 5 hours of sleep on an overnight. Given the BA LHR-TLV flight times, I'd much rather take a 10 hour overnight train, leave at 8PM, sleep at 10, wake at 8AM after 8 hours sleep in Tel Aviv for transfer to the Jerusalem office. The flight alternative is leave at 8PM and get about 4 hours sleep, arriving in Jerusalem about 6AM.</p><p>Of course that's assuming an average of 250mph, which is unlikely (the 186mph Eurostar averages 110mph to Brussels, Thalys does 140mph from Paris), and magical scheduling, but if they can, there's plenty of viable long-distance passenger trips.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># Also , what would be the advantage ?
I mean , take that you get in from the South of Spain and from there you go , non-stop , at 300 km/h .
For a track length of 15.000 km ( and that assumes you can do almost a straight line from start to end ) that would mean 50 hours .
More than by plane , and that after making very optimistic calculus .
Also think that I did n't include time from switching trains if you need to.Firstly , London-Istanbul-Tehran-Delhi-Beijing is well under 7,000 miles .
A route via Berlin and Moscow is 5,200 miles .
The later , at 250mph , is under 24 hours.There is currently a direct daytime train from Essen to Vienna , which takes over 10 hours .
It leaves at 05 : 00 , and arrives at 15 : 20 .
I doubt anyone uses the train for the full length -- especially as you can get the 05 : 53 , change once , and arrive at the same time.The train stops at many places en-route though , and the overlapping , intermediate journeys , make it viable.A London- &gt; Beijing train may be diehard ( although 24 hours is n't that long a trip , the U.S. has multi-day trains , the Trans-Siberian takes a week ) , but London- &gt; Istanbul in 6 hours ?
That 's competitive with the flight .
Vienna-Tehran in 8 hours ? London - &gt; Delhi in 18 hours is n't that bad , leave London at 9AM Monday morning , arrive for 9AM Tuesday meeting .
Leave Delhi 9PM Wednesday night , arrive 9AM Thursday morning , you 'll be lucky to beat that on a plane , unless you 're happy with 5 hours of sleep on an overnight .
Given the BA LHR-TLV flight times , I 'd much rather take a 10 hour overnight train , leave at 8PM , sleep at 10 , wake at 8AM after 8 hours sleep in Tel Aviv for transfer to the Jerusalem office .
The flight alternative is leave at 8PM and get about 4 hours sleep , arriving in Jerusalem about 6AM.Of course that 's assuming an average of 250mph , which is unlikely ( the 186mph Eurostar averages 110mph to Brussels , Thalys does 140mph from Paris ) , and magical scheduling , but if they can , there 's plenty of viable long-distance passenger trips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext># Also, what would be the advantage?
I mean, take that you get in from the South of Spain and from there you go, non-stop, at 300 km/h.
For a track length of 15.000 km(and that assumes you can do almost a straight line from start to end) that would mean 50 hours.
More than by plane, and that after making very optimistic calculus.
Also think that I didn't include time from switching trains if you need to.Firstly, London-Istanbul-Tehran-Delhi-Beijing is well under 7,000 miles.
A route via Berlin and Moscow is 5,200 miles.
The later, at 250mph, is under 24 hours.There is currently a direct daytime train from Essen to Vienna, which takes over 10 hours.
It leaves at 05:00, and arrives at 15:20.
I doubt anyone uses the train for the full length -- especially as you can get the 05:53, change once, and arrive at the same time.The train stops at many places en-route though, and the overlapping, intermediate journeys, make it viable.A London-&gt;Beijing train may be diehard (although 24 hours isn't that long a trip, the U.S. has multi-day trains, the Trans-Siberian takes a week), but London-&gt;Istanbul in 6 hours?
That's competitive with the flight.
Vienna-Tehran in 8 hours?London -&gt; Delhi in 18 hours isn't that bad, leave London at 9AM Monday morning, arrive for 9AM Tuesday meeting.
Leave Delhi 9PM Wednesday night, arrive 9AM Thursday morning, you'll be lucky to beat that on a plane, unless you're happy with 5 hours of sleep on an overnight.
Given the BA LHR-TLV flight times, I'd much rather take a 10 hour overnight train, leave at 8PM, sleep at 10, wake at 8AM after 8 hours sleep in Tel Aviv for transfer to the Jerusalem office.
The flight alternative is leave at 8PM and get about 4 hours sleep, arriving in Jerusalem about 6AM.Of course that's assuming an average of 250mph, which is unlikely (the 186mph Eurostar averages 110mph to Brussels, Thalys does 140mph from Paris), and magical scheduling, but if they can, there's plenty of viable long-distance passenger trips.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492406</id>
	<title>What's in the minds of the mods around here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268681100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't mean to antagonise the parent, but I have to remark how it's fascinating to watch the parent post go from +5 Insightful to +5 Interesting and all the while I and other posters have provided citations showing that the parent post is, in fact, neither Insightful nor Interesting.</p><p>I'd love to see time series graphs of mod points for these posts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't mean to antagonise the parent , but I have to remark how it 's fascinating to watch the parent post go from + 5 Insightful to + 5 Interesting and all the while I and other posters have provided citations showing that the parent post is , in fact , neither Insightful nor Interesting.I 'd love to see time series graphs of mod points for these posts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't mean to antagonise the parent, but I have to remark how it's fascinating to watch the parent post go from +5 Insightful to +5 Interesting and all the while I and other posters have provided citations showing that the parent post is, in fact, neither Insightful nor Interesting.I'd love to see time series graphs of mod points for these posts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490282</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1268660700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiations</p></div><p>Give me your wallet.</p><p>No, seriously, "economic interdependence", which on a global scale is just a code word for "sell off your natural resources" just ensures that we all hit the brick wall of resource depletion at the exact same time, driven there by the countries that consume the least responsibly.</p><p>The peace of plenty and content today; and, tomorrow, the peace of unburied death.</p></div>
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<tokenext>economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful , albeit sometimes tense , negotiationsGive me your wallet.No , seriously , " economic interdependence " , which on a global scale is just a code word for " sell off your natural resources " just ensures that we all hit the brick wall of resource depletion at the exact same time , driven there by the countries that consume the least responsibly.The peace of plenty and content today ; and , tomorrow , the peace of unburied death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>economic interdependence helps to foster peaceful, albeit sometimes tense, negotiationsGive me your wallet.No, seriously, "economic interdependence", which on a global scale is just a code word for "sell off your natural resources" just ensures that we all hit the brick wall of resource depletion at the exact same time, driven there by the countries that consume the least responsibly.The peace of plenty and content today; and, tomorrow, the peace of unburied death.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490084</id>
	<title>Re:Europe \_and\_ the UK?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268659560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"when was the UK not part of Europe?"</p><p>In the 1940's UK was not part of Europe, they didn't surrender like France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" when was the UK not part of Europe ?
" In the 1940 's UK was not part of Europe , they did n't surrender like France , Belgium , Holland , Denmark etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"when was the UK not part of Europe?
"In the 1940's UK was not part of Europe, they didn't surrender like France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489790</id>
	<title>Re:That is just really cool.</title>
	<author>Ichijo</author>
	<datestamp>1268657880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's probably true, but with so many stations in-between, nobody will have to.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even if it 's high speed , I do n't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.That 's probably true , but with so many stations in-between , nobody will have to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it's high speed, I don't think that anyone will want to take the train from China to Europe.That's probably true, but with so many stations in-between, nobody will have to.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31504558</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1268756580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.</p></div><p>
 Umm..  I assume you are not talking about the good ol'  USA, and  its rich (perhaps ex-)Republican "tea-baggers", and their associated baptist bagmen...
<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>,,,<br>
"Religious nutbags"...  Oh, sweet America.  LOL!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling , war and neocolonialism .
Umm.. I assume you are not talking about the good ol ' USA , and its rich ( perhaps ex- ) Republican " tea-baggers " , and their associated baptist bagmen.. . ,, , " Religious nutbags " ... Oh , sweet America .
LOL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Religious nutbags become ineffectual when you introduce prosperity and equality to their followers at the expense of meddling, war and neocolonialism.
Umm..  I assume you are not talking about the good ol'  USA, and  its rich (perhaps ex-)Republican "tea-baggers", and their associated baptist bagmen...
 ,,,
"Religious nutbags"...  Oh, sweet America.
LOL!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31489758</id>
	<title>Re:US is in trouble</title>
	<author>assemblerex</author>
	<datestamp>1268657760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well the Chinese just bulldoze your house if they need the land. We have something called property rights unless you live in Connecticut.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the Chinese just bulldoze your house if they need the land .
We have something called property rights unless you live in Connecticut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the Chinese just bulldoze your house if they need the land.
We have something called property rights unless you live in Connecticut.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31492136</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268677140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although, the US came to mind first when I saw "meddling, war and neocolonialism"... Looking just at Latin America for only the last 30 years, you get:</p><p>
&nbsp; 1980<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; U.S., seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua, tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections. The U.S. starts pouring in $100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Death squads are also active in Honduras, and the contras tend to act as a state within a state.<br>1981<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua, who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them. 46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen. The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua.<br>1981<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gen. Torrijos of Panama is killed in a plane crash. There is a suspicion of CIA involvement, due to Torrijos' nationalism and friendly relations with Cuba.<br>1982<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A coup brings Gen. Efra&#237;n R&#237;os Montt to power in Guatemala, and gives the Reagan administration the opportunity to increase military aid. R&#237;os Montt's evangelical beliefs do not prevent him from accelerating the counterinsurgency campaign.<br>1983<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Another coup in Guatemala replaces R&#237;os Montt. The new President, Oscar Mej&#237;a V&#237;ctores, was trained by the U.S. and seems to have cleared his coup beforehand with U.S. authorities.<br>1983<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; U.S. troops take over tiny Granada. Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader. One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use. Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.<br>1983<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Boland Amendment prohibits CIA and Defense Dept. from spending money to overthrow the government of Nicaragua-- a law the Reagan administration cheerfully violates.<br>1984<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; CIA mines three Nicaraguan harbors. Nicaragua takes this action to the World Court, which brings an $18 billion judgment against the U.S. The U.S. refuses to recognize the Court's jurisdiction in the case.<br>1984<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; U.S. spends $10 million to orchestrate elections in El Salvador-- something of a farce, since left-wing parties are under heavy repression, and the military has already declared that it will not answer to the elected president.<br>1989<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; U.S. invades Panama to dislodge CIA boy gone wrong Manuel Noriega, an event which marks the evolution of the U.S.'s favorite excuse from Communism to drugs.<br>1996<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The U.S. battles global Communism by extending most-favored-nation trading status for China, and tightening the trade embargo on Castro's Cuba.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although , the US came to mind first when I saw " meddling , war and neocolonialism " ... Looking just at Latin America for only the last 30 years , you get :   1980         U.S. , seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua , tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections .
The U.S. starts pouring in $ 100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory .
        Death squads are also active in Honduras , and the contras tend to act as a state within a state.1981         The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua , who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen ; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them .
46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen .
The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua.1981         Gen. Torrijos of Panama is killed in a plane crash .
There is a suspicion of CIA involvement , due to Torrijos ' nationalism and friendly relations with Cuba.1982         A coup brings Gen. Efra   n R   os Montt to power in Guatemala , and gives the Reagan administration the opportunity to increase military aid .
R   os Montt 's evangelical beliefs do not prevent him from accelerating the counterinsurgency campaign.1983         Another coup in Guatemala replaces R   os Montt .
The new President , Oscar Mej   a V   ctores , was trained by the U.S. and seems to have cleared his coup beforehand with U.S. authorities.1983         U.S. troops take over tiny Granada .
Rather oddly , it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous , socialist leader .
One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help , which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use .
Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.1983         Boland Amendment prohibits CIA and Defense Dept .
from spending money to overthrow the government of Nicaragua-- a law the Reagan administration cheerfully violates.1984         CIA mines three Nicaraguan harbors .
Nicaragua takes this action to the World Court , which brings an $ 18 billion judgment against the U.S. The U.S. refuses to recognize the Court 's jurisdiction in the case.1984         U.S. spends $ 10 million to orchestrate elections in El Salvador-- something of a farce , since left-wing parties are under heavy repression , and the military has already declared that it will not answer to the elected president.1989         U.S. invades Panama to dislodge CIA boy gone wrong Manuel Noriega , an event which marks the evolution of the U.S. 's favorite excuse from Communism to drugs.1996         The U.S. battles global Communism by extending most-favored-nation trading status for China , and tightening the trade embargo on Castro 's Cuba .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although, the US came to mind first when I saw "meddling, war and neocolonialism"... Looking just at Latin America for only the last 30 years, you get:
  1980
        U.S., seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua, tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections.
The U.S. starts pouring in $100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory.
        Death squads are also active in Honduras, and the contras tend to act as a state within a state.1981
        The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua, who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them.
46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen.
The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua.1981
        Gen. Torrijos of Panama is killed in a plane crash.
There is a suspicion of CIA involvement, due to Torrijos' nationalism and friendly relations with Cuba.1982
        A coup brings Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt to power in Guatemala, and gives the Reagan administration the opportunity to increase military aid.
Ríos Montt's evangelical beliefs do not prevent him from accelerating the counterinsurgency campaign.1983
        Another coup in Guatemala replaces Ríos Montt.
The new President, Oscar Mejía Víctores, was trained by the U.S. and seems to have cleared his coup beforehand with U.S. authorities.1983
        U.S. troops take over tiny Granada.
Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader.
One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use.
Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.1983
        Boland Amendment prohibits CIA and Defense Dept.
from spending money to overthrow the government of Nicaragua-- a law the Reagan administration cheerfully violates.1984
        CIA mines three Nicaraguan harbors.
Nicaragua takes this action to the World Court, which brings an $18 billion judgment against the U.S. The U.S. refuses to recognize the Court's jurisdiction in the case.1984
        U.S. spends $10 million to orchestrate elections in El Salvador-- something of a farce, since left-wing parties are under heavy repression, and the military has already declared that it will not answer to the elected president.1989
        U.S. invades Panama to dislodge CIA boy gone wrong Manuel Noriega, an event which marks the evolution of the U.S.'s favorite excuse from Communism to drugs.1996
        The U.S. battles global Communism by extending most-favored-nation trading status for China, and tightening the trade embargo on Castro's Cuba.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490184</id>
	<title>Re:A high speed railway</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1268660160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that won't listen to reason.</p><p>Seriously!</p><p>Those damn Buddhists might all set themselves on fire in protest or something.</p><p>Or are you talking about the anti-train sect of Christianity?</p><p>Or the HSRNO Jainists that worry about insects being killed by the trains?</p><p>Damn religions. They're all the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that wo n't listen to reason.Seriously ! Those damn Buddhists might all set themselves on fire in protest or something.Or are you talking about the anti-train sect of Christianity ? Or the HSRNO Jainists that worry about insects being killed by the trains ? Damn religions .
They 're all the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;The only thing we need to worry about in this equation is religious nutbags that won't listen to reason.Seriously!Those damn Buddhists might all set themselves on fire in protest or something.Or are you talking about the anti-train sect of Christianity?Or the HSRNO Jainists that worry about insects being killed by the trains?Damn religions.
They're all the same.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490292</id>
	<title>High speed rail is for poor people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268660760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, stop drooling over Eurasia's poverty!  America could have had the best rail system in the world, but (greenie lies aside) we just simply don't want it.  We want private automobiles, which are infinitely more flexible and convenient for shorter trips, and airplanes are still the fastest way to get around long distance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , stop drooling over Eurasia 's poverty !
America could have had the best rail system in the world , but ( greenie lies aside ) we just simply do n't want it .
We want private automobiles , which are infinitely more flexible and convenient for shorter trips , and airplanes are still the fastest way to get around long distance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, stop drooling over Eurasia's poverty!
America could have had the best rail system in the world, but (greenie lies aside) we just simply don't want it.
We want private automobiles, which are infinitely more flexible and convenient for shorter trips, and airplanes are still the fastest way to get around long distance.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I call BullSh!t</title>
	<author>youngone</author>
	<datestamp>1268668200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't buy it. There are inconsistancies in the article, eg: "With initial negotiations and surveys already complete, " then "The exact routes have yet to be determined." Well which is it? You can't do a survey if you don't know the route. Also there's no way India approached China for anything. The Indians don't like the Chinese (at least at Govt level).
This sounds really cool, but I'll bet a dollar its not going to happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't buy it .
There are inconsistancies in the article , eg : " With initial negotiations and surveys already complete , " then " The exact routes have yet to be determined .
" Well which is it ?
You ca n't do a survey if you do n't know the route .
Also there 's no way India approached China for anything .
The Indians do n't like the Chinese ( at least at Govt level ) .
This sounds really cool , but I 'll bet a dollar its not going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't buy it.
There are inconsistancies in the article, eg: "With initial negotiations and surveys already complete, " then "The exact routes have yet to be determined.
" Well which is it?
You can't do a survey if you don't know the route.
Also there's no way India approached China for anything.
The Indians don't like the Chinese (at least at Govt level).
This sounds really cool, but I'll bet a dollar its not going to happen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_15_2252202.31490828</id>
	<title>..from King's Cross to Beijing in just two days...</title>
	<author>alexmin</author>
	<datestamp>1268664360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Through the places were you never want to be stuck in. Believe me, I \_was\_ stuck in some of those earlier in my life. Never mind 16 border crossings with underpaid corrupt goons with guns rummaging through your belongings. What could go wrong?<br>Besides, 2 days it's 48 hours and plane London to Singapore is like 14. I cant wait and see a contractor or businessman saying "ah, instead of flying in on Sunday and going home on Thursday, lets leave on Friday night, then leave on Thursday and be back home on next Sunday. Two weekends spent in train instead of my family is just great". Same for vacationers too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Through the places were you never want to be stuck in .
Believe me , I \ _was \ _ stuck in some of those earlier in my life .
Never mind 16 border crossings with underpaid corrupt goons with guns rummaging through your belongings .
What could go wrong ? Besides , 2 days it 's 48 hours and plane London to Singapore is like 14 .
I cant wait and see a contractor or businessman saying " ah , instead of flying in on Sunday and going home on Thursday , lets leave on Friday night , then leave on Thursday and be back home on next Sunday .
Two weekends spent in train instead of my family is just great " .
Same for vacationers too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Through the places were you never want to be stuck in.
Believe me, I \_was\_ stuck in some of those earlier in my life.
Never mind 16 border crossings with underpaid corrupt goons with guns rummaging through your belongings.
What could go wrong?Besides, 2 days it's 48 hours and plane London to Singapore is like 14.
I cant wait and see a contractor or businessman saying "ah, instead of flying in on Sunday and going home on Thursday, lets leave on Friday night, then leave on Thursday and be back home on next Sunday.
Two weekends spent in train instead of my family is just great".
Same for vacationers too.</sentencetext>
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