<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_14_208200</id>
	<title>Microsoft Employees Love Their iPhones</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1268560500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>portscan writes <i>"There is an entertaining and telling article in the Wall Street Journal about iPhone use by Microsoft employees.  Apparently, despite it being frowned upon by senior management, <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703455804575057651922457356.html">iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file</a>. The head of Microsoft's mobile division tried to explain it away as employees wanting 'to better understand the competition,' although few believe this. Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft's tech-savvy workforce than the company's own products."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>portscan writes " There is an entertaining and telling article in the Wall Street Journal about iPhone use by Microsoft employees .
Apparently , despite it being frowned upon by senior management , iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file .
The head of Microsoft 's mobile division tried to explain it away as employees wanting 'to better understand the competition, ' although few believe this .
Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft 's tech-savvy workforce than the company 's own products .
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<sentencetext>portscan writes "There is an entertaining and telling article in the Wall Street Journal about iPhone use by Microsoft employees.
Apparently, despite it being frowned upon by senior management, iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file.
The head of Microsoft's mobile division tried to explain it away as employees wanting 'to better understand the competition,' although few believe this.
Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft's tech-savvy workforce than the company's own products.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476046</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture - FIXED</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how many Microsoft employees use Macbooks.</p></div><p>There, fixed it for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many Microsoft employees use Macbooks.There , fixed it for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many Microsoft employees use Macbooks.There, fixed it for you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479552</id>
	<title>Re:Obsessesion</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1268649600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having worked at both companies' main campuses.... the cultural differences are HUGE. (Apple from 85 - 90 Microsoft from 93 - 97)</p><p>Apple's culture encouraged iconoclasts and obsession even if you worked in a sea of cubicles.</p><p>At Microsoft: it was just a job with some nice offices, heavy desks, and lush appointments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having worked at both companies ' main campuses.... the cultural differences are HUGE .
( Apple from 85 - 90 Microsoft from 93 - 97 ) Apple 's culture encouraged iconoclasts and obsession even if you worked in a sea of cubicles.At Microsoft : it was just a job with some nice offices , heavy desks , and lush appointments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having worked at both companies' main campuses.... the cultural differences are HUGE.
(Apple from 85 - 90 Microsoft from 93 - 97)Apple's culture encouraged iconoclasts and obsession even if you worked in a sea of cubicles.At Microsoft: it was just a job with some nice offices, heavy desks, and lush appointments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477178</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268578800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.</p><p>If I was in charge of a software company (thank goodness I'm not!) I'd make sure all my employees have all the incentives they need to use our software, hardware and services as much as possible.</p><p>That, in turn, may give them an incentive to improve those products and services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.If I was in charge of a software company ( thank goodness I 'm not !
) I 'd make sure all my employees have all the incentives they need to use our software , hardware and services as much as possible.That , in turn , may give them an incentive to improve those products and services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.If I was in charge of a software company (thank goodness I'm not!
) I'd make sure all my employees have all the incentives they need to use our software, hardware and services as much as possible.That, in turn, may give them an incentive to improve those products and services.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475808</id>
	<title>Really surprising?</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1268569200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That figure equals about 10\% of the company's global work force.</p></div><p>is it really that surprising given the iphone's share of the smartphone market is, AFAIK, significantly more than that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That figure equals about 10 \ % of the company 's global work force.is it really that surprising given the iphone 's share of the smartphone market is , AFAIK , significantly more than that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That figure equals about 10\% of the company's global work force.is it really that surprising given the iphone's share of the smartphone market is, AFAIK, significantly more than that?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476984</id>
	<title>Re:Obsessesion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268577540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to disagree with the statement it's the engineers' fault.  Where I work (a very large consumer electronics company) our marketing and sales people come up with some rough idea but don't have enough technical knowledge to get the details right or figure out the inter-operation.  Then, they go talk with the "customer" who adds more confusing input (or just plain gets it wrong).  Finally, the "project management" team writes some specifications and hands it to engineers who have to "make it work".</p><p>Instead of engaging engineers at the outset, and including them at all points of discussion, engineers are the LAST to find out.  And we're slapping our foreheads saying "this will work like shit" but ultimately no one listens until its out the door and end-users are saying "this sucks".  And the sad part is the end-users' feedback never makes it way back to our sales/marketing, it goes to the "customer's" sales and marketing team who are just inept.</p><p>I think what Apple does differently is put the greatest amount of emphasis on the user experience, sometimes sacrificing good engineering practices in the process.  Look at how many issues Apple has had with their Macbooks/Powerbooks, they push the envelope in making things thin and light, and end up cutting reliability.  But, their UIs are *really* polished and using them is mostly favorable.</p><p>MS probably works like my company, the ideas get started by a smart person or a group of smartpeople, but by the time it gets filtered through the "management" and "leadership" the essence is lost and the result is lack luster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to disagree with the statement it 's the engineers ' fault .
Where I work ( a very large consumer electronics company ) our marketing and sales people come up with some rough idea but do n't have enough technical knowledge to get the details right or figure out the inter-operation .
Then , they go talk with the " customer " who adds more confusing input ( or just plain gets it wrong ) .
Finally , the " project management " team writes some specifications and hands it to engineers who have to " make it work " .Instead of engaging engineers at the outset , and including them at all points of discussion , engineers are the LAST to find out .
And we 're slapping our foreheads saying " this will work like shit " but ultimately no one listens until its out the door and end-users are saying " this sucks " .
And the sad part is the end-users ' feedback never makes it way back to our sales/marketing , it goes to the " customer 's " sales and marketing team who are just inept.I think what Apple does differently is put the greatest amount of emphasis on the user experience , sometimes sacrificing good engineering practices in the process .
Look at how many issues Apple has had with their Macbooks/Powerbooks , they push the envelope in making things thin and light , and end up cutting reliability .
But , their UIs are * really * polished and using them is mostly favorable.MS probably works like my company , the ideas get started by a smart person or a group of smartpeople , but by the time it gets filtered through the " management " and " leadership " the essence is lost and the result is lack luster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to disagree with the statement it's the engineers' fault.
Where I work (a very large consumer electronics company) our marketing and sales people come up with some rough idea but don't have enough technical knowledge to get the details right or figure out the inter-operation.
Then, they go talk with the "customer" who adds more confusing input (or just plain gets it wrong).
Finally, the "project management" team writes some specifications and hands it to engineers who have to "make it work".Instead of engaging engineers at the outset, and including them at all points of discussion, engineers are the LAST to find out.
And we're slapping our foreheads saying "this will work like shit" but ultimately no one listens until its out the door and end-users are saying "this sucks".
And the sad part is the end-users' feedback never makes it way back to our sales/marketing, it goes to the "customer's" sales and marketing team who are just inept.I think what Apple does differently is put the greatest amount of emphasis on the user experience, sometimes sacrificing good engineering practices in the process.
Look at how many issues Apple has had with their Macbooks/Powerbooks, they push the envelope in making things thin and light, and end up cutting reliability.
But, their UIs are *really* polished and using them is mostly favorable.MS probably works like my company, the ideas get started by a smart person or a group of smartpeople, but by the time it gets filtered through the "management" and "leadership" the essence is lost and the result is lack luster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31493806</id>
	<title>Re:Death to Microsoft...etc .. ad nauseum</title>
	<author>dkraft</author>
	<datestamp>1268746200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>now that google has sync with outlook its game over. winmo on HTC though im just waiting for verizon to offer nexus.</p><p>That's reeally the point isn't  it? choice to try new gadgets and hold onto what works for you.</p><p>complain when they actually screw you, not just because they're in the other camp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now that google has sync with outlook its game over .
winmo on HTC though im just waiting for verizon to offer nexus.That 's reeally the point is n't it ?
choice to try new gadgets and hold onto what works for you.complain when they actually screw you , not just because they 're in the other camp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now that google has sync with outlook its game over.
winmo on HTC though im just waiting for verizon to offer nexus.That's reeally the point isn't  it?
choice to try new gadgets and hold onto what works for you.complain when they actually screw you, not just because they're in the other camp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476320</id>
	<title>Re:Obsessesion</title>
	<author>MyGirlFriendsBroken</author>
	<datestamp>1268573280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think your spot on, I say this as an iPhone user for about a year who just picked up one for my wife. She didn't see te point of it when I first got mine but came round and now she has one thinks it is the best thing since bread. Apple make product for people, Joe Public. I use Apple at home because I spend my day job making tech work, when I get home I just want to make Family Guy appear on my TV or get my email. No fuss no effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think your spot on , I say this as an iPhone user for about a year who just picked up one for my wife .
She did n't see te point of it when I first got mine but came round and now she has one thinks it is the best thing since bread .
Apple make product for people , Joe Public .
I use Apple at home because I spend my day job making tech work , when I get home I just want to make Family Guy appear on my TV or get my email .
No fuss no effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think your spot on, I say this as an iPhone user for about a year who just picked up one for my wife.
She didn't see te point of it when I first got mine but came round and now she has one thinks it is the best thing since bread.
Apple make product for people, Joe Public.
I use Apple at home because I spend my day job making tech work, when I get home I just want to make Family Guy appear on my TV or get my email.
No fuss no effort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477258</id>
	<title>Re:but it doesn't "just work"</title>
	<author>RogerWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1268579460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While nothing "just works", I have worked with Windows and Linux as my full time desktop OS for years, and in comparison you just spend a lot less time fighting the software on OSX.</p><p>I just did an upgrade from 10.4 to 10.6, it took 37 minutes. Everything from my printer settings, user accounts, password/key/certificate chains to known WiFi networks just kept working. I've attempted Linux or Windows upgrades in the past, but it was never so smooth, and usually I ended up doing a full install anyway. And Apple officially only supports upgrading from 10.5 to 10.6, so they didn't put any specific effort into making this transition smooth, even though they have admitted it works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While nothing " just works " , I have worked with Windows and Linux as my full time desktop OS for years , and in comparison you just spend a lot less time fighting the software on OSX.I just did an upgrade from 10.4 to 10.6 , it took 37 minutes .
Everything from my printer settings , user accounts , password/key/certificate chains to known WiFi networks just kept working .
I 've attempted Linux or Windows upgrades in the past , but it was never so smooth , and usually I ended up doing a full install anyway .
And Apple officially only supports upgrading from 10.5 to 10.6 , so they did n't put any specific effort into making this transition smooth , even though they have admitted it works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While nothing "just works", I have worked with Windows and Linux as my full time desktop OS for years, and in comparison you just spend a lot less time fighting the software on OSX.I just did an upgrade from 10.4 to 10.6, it took 37 minutes.
Everything from my printer settings, user accounts, password/key/certificate chains to known WiFi networks just kept working.
I've attempted Linux or Windows upgrades in the past, but it was never so smooth, and usually I ended up doing a full install anyway.
And Apple officially only supports upgrading from 10.5 to 10.6, so they didn't put any specific effort into making this transition smooth, even though they have admitted it works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478218</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>earlymon</author>
	<datestamp>1268588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said.</p><p>This whole non-issue is about as exciting - and meaningful - as finding that some Ford workers drive Toyotas and some Subaru workers drive Hondas, or that a Budweiser employer drinks Sam Adams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said.This whole non-issue is about as exciting - and meaningful - as finding that some Ford workers drive Toyotas and some Subaru workers drive Hondas , or that a Budweiser employer drinks Sam Adams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.This whole non-issue is about as exciting - and meaningful - as finding that some Ford workers drive Toyotas and some Subaru workers drive Hondas, or that a Budweiser employer drinks Sam Adams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479268</id>
	<title>Re:Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolera</title>
	<author>isorox</author>
	<datestamp>1268646660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned upon</i></p><p>Shame it's not like that in certain large corporations that went down the microsoft route. Ironic that it's easier to plug an osx laptop in to a microsoft network than a ### network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned uponShame it 's not like that in certain large corporations that went down the microsoft route .
Ironic that it 's easier to plug an osx laptop in to a microsoft network than a # # # network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned uponShame it's not like that in certain large corporations that went down the microsoft route.
Ironic that it's easier to plug an osx laptop in to a microsoft network than a ### network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476114</id>
	<title>Company loyalty / cohesion</title>
	<author>mansa</author>
	<datestamp>1268571840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a large consumer products company, and our sector is pretty competitive. If the marketers would come over to IT and see us using competitors products, they'd be pretty pissed. We're all part of one team, and sticking to our products is important to us. I think that's one reason why we're successful. We do have competitors products on our desks / shelves but only to learn from / motivate us to gain more share. I have a hard time using products from our competitors... even in segments that we don't compete in... who wants to give the enemy more ammo?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a large consumer products company , and our sector is pretty competitive .
If the marketers would come over to IT and see us using competitors products , they 'd be pretty pissed .
We 're all part of one team , and sticking to our products is important to us .
I think that 's one reason why we 're successful .
We do have competitors products on our desks / shelves but only to learn from / motivate us to gain more share .
I have a hard time using products from our competitors... even in segments that we do n't compete in... who wants to give the enemy more ammo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a large consumer products company, and our sector is pretty competitive.
If the marketers would come over to IT and see us using competitors products, they'd be pretty pissed.
We're all part of one team, and sticking to our products is important to us.
I think that's one reason why we're successful.
We do have competitors products on our desks / shelves but only to learn from / motivate us to gain more share.
I have a hard time using products from our competitors... even in segments that we don't compete in... who wants to give the enemy more ammo?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475238</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1268564940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It works with Exchange. Microsoft is not going to run a BES. And Android is the one eating their lunch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It works with Exchange .
Microsoft is not going to run a BES .
And Android is the one eating their lunch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It works with Exchange.
Microsoft is not going to run a BES.
And Android is the one eating their lunch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478704</id>
	<title>Death to Microsoft...etc .. ad nauseum</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268595900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love WM as a platform.  Wouldn't trade it for any other mobile OS currently in existance although many of the others are quite good.</p><p>My favorites; Internet connection sharing, no rooting necessary (Ahmm..Andriod if you hope to use anything other than their crappy java implementation), no restrictions on what you can do with your own device and the battery is replacable (Ahmm IPhone).  WinCE has a rtos kernel, excellent voice recognition (MUCH better than Andriods), full networking stack VPNs...etc  Full BT stack (Some std profiles are STILL missing on the iphone and many Andriod profiles are still buggy)  There are a bazillion UI and today screen applets - you get to decide exactly how your device looks.  My phone doesn't crash, isn't slow, runs for several days between charges and does not get in my way.  Suspect many of the people making empty statements about the WM platform actually have never used it or know very little about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love WM as a platform .
Would n't trade it for any other mobile OS currently in existance although many of the others are quite good.My favorites ; Internet connection sharing , no rooting necessary ( Ahmm..Andriod if you hope to use anything other than their crappy java implementation ) , no restrictions on what you can do with your own device and the battery is replacable ( Ahmm IPhone ) .
WinCE has a rtos kernel , excellent voice recognition ( MUCH better than Andriods ) , full networking stack VPNs...etc Full BT stack ( Some std profiles are STILL missing on the iphone and many Andriod profiles are still buggy ) There are a bazillion UI and today screen applets - you get to decide exactly how your device looks .
My phone does n't crash , is n't slow , runs for several days between charges and does not get in my way .
Suspect many of the people making empty statements about the WM platform actually have never used it or know very little about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love WM as a platform.
Wouldn't trade it for any other mobile OS currently in existance although many of the others are quite good.My favorites; Internet connection sharing, no rooting necessary (Ahmm..Andriod if you hope to use anything other than their crappy java implementation), no restrictions on what you can do with your own device and the battery is replacable (Ahmm IPhone).
WinCE has a rtos kernel, excellent voice recognition (MUCH better than Andriods), full networking stack VPNs...etc  Full BT stack (Some std profiles are STILL missing on the iphone and many Andriod profiles are still buggy)  There are a bazillion UI and today screen applets - you get to decide exactly how your device looks.
My phone doesn't crash, isn't slow, runs for several days between charges and does not get in my way.
Suspect many of the people making empty statements about the WM platform actually have never used it or know very little about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475668</id>
	<title>Re:Obsessesion</title>
	<author>danlip</author>
	<datestamp>1268568240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But Microsoft created Bob and Clippy.  How can you say they are not user friendly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But Microsoft created Bob and Clippy .
How can you say they are not user friendly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But Microsoft created Bob and Clippy.
How can you say they are not user friendly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476750</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1268576040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm you guys in the US got shafted by having one exclusive carrier for the iPhone. Here you buy it unlocked and can use it on any network. And most allow you to tether it and use whatever apps (incl. VoIP) you want on it, out of the box.</p><p>Sad that the iPhone is more crippled in its ~home~ market than anywhere else. I couldn't stand owning a network-locked phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm you guys in the US got shafted by having one exclusive carrier for the iPhone .
Here you buy it unlocked and can use it on any network .
And most allow you to tether it and use whatever apps ( incl .
VoIP ) you want on it , out of the box.Sad that the iPhone is more crippled in its ~ home ~ market than anywhere else .
I could n't stand owning a network-locked phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm you guys in the US got shafted by having one exclusive carrier for the iPhone.
Here you buy it unlocked and can use it on any network.
And most allow you to tether it and use whatever apps (incl.
VoIP) you want on it, out of the box.Sad that the iPhone is more crippled in its ~home~ market than anywhere else.
I couldn't stand owning a network-locked phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476044</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1268571360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p> It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently.</p></div></blockquote><p>AT&amp;T didn't block VoIP over 3G.  They told Apple to disallow VoIP apps over the 3G network.</p></div><p>Isn't that in keeping with what I said?  "AT&amp;T requires them to disallow you from using it"?
</p><p>There's nothing inherent about the phone that ever prevented VoIP over 3G, and Apple specifically built the capability to tether another device to your phone, but AT&amp;T has to ok turning the feature on.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The iPod Touch runs the same software with no restrictions.</p></div><p>Well yes, but of course they'd be opening a messy can of worms if they allowed different things on the two different but nearly identical products.  For one thing, it might be harder to keep the iPhone locked down if people have access to an identical unlocked version.  Second, there'd be a marketing problem of trying to sell iPhones while iPod Touches had superior functionality.  Third, you'd have a PR problem because people would get even *more* annoyed at the iPhone being locked down when there's a nearly identical unlocked product.
</p><p>Of course, it might also be that Jobs is a control freak and won't just let people run their own devices.  Hard to know until Apple can sell the iPhone on a truly open data network.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a similar deal with VoIP , which was blocked over 3G until recently.AT&amp;T did n't block VoIP over 3G .
They told Apple to disallow VoIP apps over the 3G network.Is n't that in keeping with what I said ?
" AT&amp;T requires them to disallow you from using it " ?
There 's nothing inherent about the phone that ever prevented VoIP over 3G , and Apple specifically built the capability to tether another device to your phone , but AT&amp;T has to ok turning the feature on.The iPod Touch runs the same software with no restrictions.Well yes , but of course they 'd be opening a messy can of worms if they allowed different things on the two different but nearly identical products .
For one thing , it might be harder to keep the iPhone locked down if people have access to an identical unlocked version .
Second , there 'd be a marketing problem of trying to sell iPhones while iPod Touches had superior functionality .
Third , you 'd have a PR problem because people would get even * more * annoyed at the iPhone being locked down when there 's a nearly identical unlocked product .
Of course , it might also be that Jobs is a control freak and wo n't just let people run their own devices .
Hard to know until Apple can sell the iPhone on a truly open data network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently.AT&amp;T didn't block VoIP over 3G.
They told Apple to disallow VoIP apps over the 3G network.Isn't that in keeping with what I said?
"AT&amp;T requires them to disallow you from using it"?
There's nothing inherent about the phone that ever prevented VoIP over 3G, and Apple specifically built the capability to tether another device to your phone, but AT&amp;T has to ok turning the feature on.The iPod Touch runs the same software with no restrictions.Well yes, but of course they'd be opening a messy can of worms if they allowed different things on the two different but nearly identical products.
For one thing, it might be harder to keep the iPhone locked down if people have access to an identical unlocked version.
Second, there'd be a marketing problem of trying to sell iPhones while iPod Touches had superior functionality.
Third, you'd have a PR problem because people would get even *more* annoyed at the iPhone being locked down when there's a nearly identical unlocked product.
Of course, it might also be that Jobs is a control freak and won't just let people run their own devices.
Hard to know until Apple can sell the iPhone on a truly open data network.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476866</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>RogerWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1268576700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.</p></div><p>I think there's two reasons why this isn't happening:<br>- I don't think the network providers like the idea, as it might lead to trojans spamming their network.<br>- Apple certainly likes to have control, as they have realized that the most important thing they own is their brand, and they are protecting their image at any cost.*</p><p>*) Take for example the Rickrolling that happened on jailbroken phones a few months ago. If you read most media reporting on it, the detail that it could only happen to jailbroken phones got lost. It's the kind of news that Apple is desperately trying to avoid and the reason why they keep a lid on the store and fight jailbreaking.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either way , obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple did n't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.I think there 's two reasons why this is n't happening : - I do n't think the network providers like the idea , as it might lead to trojans spamming their network.- Apple certainly likes to have control , as they have realized that the most important thing they own is their brand , and they are protecting their image at any cost .
* * ) Take for example the Rickrolling that happened on jailbroken phones a few months ago .
If you read most media reporting on it , the detail that it could only happen to jailbroken phones got lost .
It 's the kind of news that Apple is desperately trying to avoid and the reason why they keep a lid on the store and fight jailbreaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.I think there's two reasons why this isn't happening:- I don't think the network providers like the idea, as it might lead to trojans spamming their network.- Apple certainly likes to have control, as they have realized that the most important thing they own is their brand, and they are protecting their image at any cost.
**) Take for example the Rickrolling that happened on jailbroken phones a few months ago.
If you read most media reporting on it, the detail that it could only happen to jailbroken phones got lost.
It's the kind of news that Apple is desperately trying to avoid and the reason why they keep a lid on the store and fight jailbreaking.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475994</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Gonoff</author>
	<datestamp>1268570940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For comparison, what is the penetration of Windows Mobile at Apple?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For comparison , what is the penetration of Windows Mobile at Apple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For comparison, what is the penetration of Windows Mobile at Apple?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475574</id>
	<title>Aah! That explains it...</title>
	<author>Ecuador</author>
	<datestamp>1268567460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, Windows Vista was developed by "engineers" who like the shiny - no, you can't do that - apple phone. Now I get it...</p><p>I am actually an iphone developer right now (not exactly my choice, our CEO thought it was a good idea), and I can't see how any real get overpriced fashion accessory.</p><p>Don't tell me there are no geek oriented devices, let any decent geek spend an hour with something like the N900, and observe the results! (mainly because, well, yes, it will run linux)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , Windows Vista was developed by " engineers " who like the shiny - no , you ca n't do that - apple phone .
Now I get it...I am actually an iphone developer right now ( not exactly my choice , our CEO thought it was a good idea ) , and I ca n't see how any real get overpriced fashion accessory.Do n't tell me there are no geek oriented devices , let any decent geek spend an hour with something like the N900 , and observe the results !
( mainly because , well , yes , it will run linux )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, Windows Vista was developed by "engineers" who like the shiny - no, you can't do that - apple phone.
Now I get it...I am actually an iphone developer right now (not exactly my choice, our CEO thought it was a good idea), and I can't see how any real get overpriced fashion accessory.Don't tell me there are no geek oriented devices, let any decent geek spend an hour with something like the N900, and observe the results!
(mainly because, well, yes, it will run linux)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479836</id>
	<title>Weird industry, IT</title>
	<author>world\_citizen</author>
	<datestamp>1268652300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This new item wouldn't be an issue in most industries.</p><p>If an employee of a certain car producer drives to work with the car of the competitor no one wouldn't even be bothered. It's a fact that this happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This new item would n't be an issue in most industries.If an employee of a certain car producer drives to work with the car of the competitor no one would n't even be bothered .
It 's a fact that this happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This new item wouldn't be an issue in most industries.If an employee of a certain car producer drives to work with the car of the competitor no one wouldn't even be bothered.
It's a fact that this happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477242</id>
	<title>Well if the developers at MS like the iPhone</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1268579340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we should all buy one because MS developers are so revered around here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we should all buy one because MS developers are so revered around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we should all buy one because MS developers are so revered around here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475170</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268564580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lack of tethering is not Apple's fault.<br>It works here very nicely, without any tricks or hacks.</p><p>I don't use a lot of apps (or games) - but the ability to choose e.g. between several different weather-apps is very comforting.</p><p>The iPhone is really the ultimate phone IMO - you can make it look and behave exactly as you want (within it's very wide limits).<br>At least, it's a progress in comparison to exchangeable covers, custom ringtones and background-images.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of tethering is not Apple 's fault.It works here very nicely , without any tricks or hacks.I do n't use a lot of apps ( or games ) - but the ability to choose e.g .
between several different weather-apps is very comforting.The iPhone is really the ultimate phone IMO - you can make it look and behave exactly as you want ( within it 's very wide limits ) .At least , it 's a progress in comparison to exchangeable covers , custom ringtones and background-images .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of tethering is not Apple's fault.It works here very nicely, without any tricks or hacks.I don't use a lot of apps (or games) - but the ability to choose e.g.
between several different weather-apps is very comforting.The iPhone is really the ultimate phone IMO - you can make it look and behave exactly as you want (within it's very wide limits).At least, it's a progress in comparison to exchangeable covers, custom ringtones and background-images.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31485076</id>
	<title>I love my iPhone...</title>
	<author>oamasood</author>
	<datestamp>1268680860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And so do my managers and many co-workers at Microsoft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And so do my managers and many co-workers at Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And so do my managers and many co-workers at Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475614</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1268567820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, yes, but it really makes the company ( and by inference the employees who work on mobile phones) look bad. Given the choice between what the company has done and apple they choose the competition. Why one earth would anyone outside the company buy a windows phone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , yes , but it really makes the company ( and by inference the employees who work on mobile phones ) look bad .
Given the choice between what the company has done and apple they choose the competition .
Why one earth would anyone outside the company buy a windows phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, yes, but it really makes the company ( and by inference the employees who work on mobile phones) look bad.
Given the choice between what the company has done and apple they choose the competition.
Why one earth would anyone outside the company buy a windows phone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475282</id>
	<title>Redmond rage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268565300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Apparently, despite it being frowned upon by senior management, iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file.</p></div><p>
Need to practice ducking airborne chairs? There's an app for that!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , despite it being frowned upon by senior management , iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file .
Need to practice ducking airborne chairs ?
There 's an app for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Apparently, despite it being frowned upon by senior management, iPhone use is rampant among the Redmond rank and file.
Need to practice ducking airborne chairs?
There's an app for that!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477612</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268582760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We do get some Microsoft products on hefty discounts, but it's mostly software. Hardware (incl. phones) is also available through the same channels, but isn't really any cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do get some Microsoft products on hefty discounts , but it 's mostly software .
Hardware ( incl .
phones ) is also available through the same channels , but is n't really any cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We do get some Microsoft products on hefty discounts, but it's mostly software.
Hardware (incl.
phones) is also available through the same channels, but isn't really any cheaper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477448</id>
	<title>Linux ACPI support... no thanks to Microsoft.</title>
	<author>dclozier</author>
	<datestamp>1268580960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>From: Bill Gates<br>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 8:41 AM<br>
To: Jeff Westorinon; Ben Fathi<br>
Cc: Carl Stork; Nathan Myhrvold; Eric Rudder<br>
Subject: ACPI extensions<br>
<br>
One thing I find myself wondering about is whether we shouldn't try and make the "ACPI" extensions somehow Windows specific.<br>
<br>
It seems unfortunate if we do this work and get our partners to do the work and the result is that Linux works great without having to do the work.<br>
<br>
Maybe there is no way to avoid this problem but it does bother me.<br>
<br>
Maybe we could define the APIs so that they work well with NT and not the others even if they are open.<br>
<br>
Or maybe we could patent something related to this.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Linux ACPI support would probably be even better than it is now were it not for Microsoft.
<br>
<a href="http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2010011422570951" title="groklaw.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2010011422570951</a> [groklaw.net]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From : Bill Gates Sent : Sunday , January 24 , 1999 8 : 41 AM To : Jeff Westorinon ; Ben Fathi Cc : Carl Stork ; Nathan Myhrvold ; Eric Rudder Subject : ACPI extensions One thing I find myself wondering about is whether we should n't try and make the " ACPI " extensions somehow Windows specific .
It seems unfortunate if we do this work and get our partners to do the work and the result is that Linux works great without having to do the work .
Maybe there is no way to avoid this problem but it does bother me .
Maybe we could define the APIs so that they work well with NT and not the others even if they are open .
Or maybe we could patent something related to this .
Linux ACPI support would probably be even better than it is now were it not for Microsoft .
http : //www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php ? story = 2010011422570951 [ groklaw.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From: Bill Gates
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 8:41 AM
To: Jeff Westorinon; Ben Fathi
Cc: Carl Stork; Nathan Myhrvold; Eric Rudder
Subject: ACPI extensions

One thing I find myself wondering about is whether we shouldn't try and make the "ACPI" extensions somehow Windows specific.
It seems unfortunate if we do this work and get our partners to do the work and the result is that Linux works great without having to do the work.
Maybe there is no way to avoid this problem but it does bother me.
Maybe we could define the APIs so that they work well with NT and not the others even if they are open.
Or maybe we could patent something related to this.
Linux ACPI support would probably be even better than it is now were it not for Microsoft.
http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2010011422570951 [groklaw.net]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31481266</id>
	<title>Doesn't surprise me</title>
	<author>gravis777</author>
	<datestamp>1268664300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as Microsoft is concerned, I interviewed for them last year. Used Google Maps to pull up directions on my iPhone. Many of the employees inside use Google, and I walked by a few cubes where employees were running Linux on their desktops. I was told that I was welcome to use non-Microsoft products to do my job, I just was not allowed to promote non-Microsoft products on a call.</p><p>You will find though, that this is not at all unusual in the professional world. You will see GMC employees driving Toyota, Fords and Dodge. You will see AT&amp;T employees with Verizon and Sprint phones. Shoot, at my last company, we worked in advertising, and rarely did our people on that team actually have the client's products. Its unrealistic to think that everyone in your company is going to be using your product before coming to work for you, or to change to your product simply because they are working for you. Even if you offer company discounts, many are happy with their current products / services and do not wish to change, or, in some cases, such as with cell companies, may live outside their employer's coverage area.</p><p>Point is, there should be no surprise that people at Microsoft have iPhones, and in fact, I am sure there are people at apple sporting Windows Mobile, Blackberries and Android, and same way with people who work at Google. Its just unrealistic to expect otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as Microsoft is concerned , I interviewed for them last year .
Used Google Maps to pull up directions on my iPhone .
Many of the employees inside use Google , and I walked by a few cubes where employees were running Linux on their desktops .
I was told that I was welcome to use non-Microsoft products to do my job , I just was not allowed to promote non-Microsoft products on a call.You will find though , that this is not at all unusual in the professional world .
You will see GMC employees driving Toyota , Fords and Dodge .
You will see AT&amp;T employees with Verizon and Sprint phones .
Shoot , at my last company , we worked in advertising , and rarely did our people on that team actually have the client 's products .
Its unrealistic to think that everyone in your company is going to be using your product before coming to work for you , or to change to your product simply because they are working for you .
Even if you offer company discounts , many are happy with their current products / services and do not wish to change , or , in some cases , such as with cell companies , may live outside their employer 's coverage area.Point is , there should be no surprise that people at Microsoft have iPhones , and in fact , I am sure there are people at apple sporting Windows Mobile , Blackberries and Android , and same way with people who work at Google .
Its just unrealistic to expect otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as Microsoft is concerned, I interviewed for them last year.
Used Google Maps to pull up directions on my iPhone.
Many of the employees inside use Google, and I walked by a few cubes where employees were running Linux on their desktops.
I was told that I was welcome to use non-Microsoft products to do my job, I just was not allowed to promote non-Microsoft products on a call.You will find though, that this is not at all unusual in the professional world.
You will see GMC employees driving Toyota, Fords and Dodge.
You will see AT&amp;T employees with Verizon and Sprint phones.
Shoot, at my last company, we worked in advertising, and rarely did our people on that team actually have the client's products.
Its unrealistic to think that everyone in your company is going to be using your product before coming to work for you, or to change to your product simply because they are working for you.
Even if you offer company discounts, many are happy with their current products / services and do not wish to change, or, in some cases, such as with cell companies, may live outside their employer's coverage area.Point is, there should be no surprise that people at Microsoft have iPhones, and in fact, I am sure there are people at apple sporting Windows Mobile, Blackberries and Android, and same way with people who work at Google.
Its just unrealistic to expect otherwise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31495900</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1268755380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This probably goes without saying on Slashdot, but "huge and powerful" companies are not generally known for being good incubators of cutting-edge innovation.  There's a reason VCs always invest in start-ups, even though many of them fail: that's where all the most innovative ideas take place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This probably goes without saying on Slashdot , but " huge and powerful " companies are not generally known for being good incubators of cutting-edge innovation .
There 's a reason VCs always invest in start-ups , even though many of them fail : that 's where all the most innovative ideas take place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This probably goes without saying on Slashdot, but "huge and powerful" companies are not generally known for being good incubators of cutting-edge innovation.
There's a reason VCs always invest in start-ups, even though many of them fail: that's where all the most innovative ideas take place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478266</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>doktor-hladnjak</author>
	<datestamp>1268589180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reason WM has been such a failure is because clueless management refused to recognize that iPhone was radically changing the smart phone business. Microsoft was really one of the first players in the smartphone market, going back to the WinCE PDA days. For most of its history, the business was entirely about selling to business people at large companies. iPhone changed all of that rather quickly in the summer of 2007. People like Pieter Knook (SVP of mobile up to that point) refused to change the direction of the product towards the rapidly growing consumer market. Eventually, upper management cleaned house by firing Knook et al and brought in new leadership (Terry Myerson and Andy Lees, in particular) to completely turn Windows Mobile around. The plans for the next version were substantially reset, massive reorgs happened--basically house was cleaned. Only now are the results of that being seen with the new Windows Phone 7 stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason WM has been such a failure is because clueless management refused to recognize that iPhone was radically changing the smart phone business .
Microsoft was really one of the first players in the smartphone market , going back to the WinCE PDA days .
For most of its history , the business was entirely about selling to business people at large companies .
iPhone changed all of that rather quickly in the summer of 2007 .
People like Pieter Knook ( SVP of mobile up to that point ) refused to change the direction of the product towards the rapidly growing consumer market .
Eventually , upper management cleaned house by firing Knook et al and brought in new leadership ( Terry Myerson and Andy Lees , in particular ) to completely turn Windows Mobile around .
The plans for the next version were substantially reset , massive reorgs happened--basically house was cleaned .
Only now are the results of that being seen with the new Windows Phone 7 stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason WM has been such a failure is because clueless management refused to recognize that iPhone was radically changing the smart phone business.
Microsoft was really one of the first players in the smartphone market, going back to the WinCE PDA days.
For most of its history, the business was entirely about selling to business people at large companies.
iPhone changed all of that rather quickly in the summer of 2007.
People like Pieter Knook (SVP of mobile up to that point) refused to change the direction of the product towards the rapidly growing consumer market.
Eventually, upper management cleaned house by firing Knook et al and brought in new leadership (Terry Myerson and Andy Lees, in particular) to completely turn Windows Mobile around.
The plans for the next version were substantially reset, massive reorgs happened--basically house was cleaned.
Only now are the results of that being seen with the new Windows Phone 7 stuff.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31481664</id>
	<title>troll article</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1268666700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet strangely, 40\% of the market is owned by Nokia, whilst Apple have a few per cent of the market. Do you think that 40\% are all engineers? And that the non-engineers who want a phone that "just works" are in a minority?</p><p>(If it needs to be jailbroken to get basic functionality working, that's not "just works".)</p><p>This article is nothing more than a troll non-story, trying to get yet more free publicity for a niche phone company. Whilst Eating Your Own Dog Food can be a useful process, (a) this isn't always a good thing (compare with the Not Invented Here syndrome), especially as making phones isn't Microsoft's main market; (b) that only really applies to what companies use, and doesn't apply to what employees privately own as personal products.</p><p>To use a car analogy, it's about as relevant as saying that Microsoft employees love a particular type of car.</p><p>Where are all the stories about all the companies where the employees love Nokia phones? Oh right, I forgot, this is Appledot so we only get coverage for the Iphones.</p><p>Where are all the stories about the non-Apple products that Apple employees own?</p><p><i>The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&amp;D than Microsoft, yet whether it is through focused R&amp;D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better.</i></p><p>By what measure of "better"? Because by market share, or company revenue, they aren't. If you mean "I think they do it better" - well fine, I think that Nokia make much better phones, and anyone else makes better computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet strangely , 40 \ % of the market is owned by Nokia , whilst Apple have a few per cent of the market .
Do you think that 40 \ % are all engineers ?
And that the non-engineers who want a phone that " just works " are in a minority ?
( If it needs to be jailbroken to get basic functionality working , that 's not " just works " .
) This article is nothing more than a troll non-story , trying to get yet more free publicity for a niche phone company .
Whilst Eating Your Own Dog Food can be a useful process , ( a ) this is n't always a good thing ( compare with the Not Invented Here syndrome ) , especially as making phones is n't Microsoft 's main market ; ( b ) that only really applies to what companies use , and does n't apply to what employees privately own as personal products.To use a car analogy , it 's about as relevant as saying that Microsoft employees love a particular type of car.Where are all the stories about all the companies where the employees love Nokia phones ?
Oh right , I forgot , this is Appledot so we only get coverage for the Iphones.Where are all the stories about the non-Apple products that Apple employees own ? The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&amp;D than Microsoft , yet whether it is through focused R&amp;D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better.By what measure of " better " ?
Because by market share , or company revenue , they are n't .
If you mean " I think they do it better " - well fine , I think that Nokia make much better phones , and anyone else makes better computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet strangely, 40\% of the market is owned by Nokia, whilst Apple have a few per cent of the market.
Do you think that 40\% are all engineers?
And that the non-engineers who want a phone that "just works" are in a minority?
(If it needs to be jailbroken to get basic functionality working, that's not "just works".
)This article is nothing more than a troll non-story, trying to get yet more free publicity for a niche phone company.
Whilst Eating Your Own Dog Food can be a useful process, (a) this isn't always a good thing (compare with the Not Invented Here syndrome), especially as making phones isn't Microsoft's main market; (b) that only really applies to what companies use, and doesn't apply to what employees privately own as personal products.To use a car analogy, it's about as relevant as saying that Microsoft employees love a particular type of car.Where are all the stories about all the companies where the employees love Nokia phones?
Oh right, I forgot, this is Appledot so we only get coverage for the Iphones.Where are all the stories about the non-Apple products that Apple employees own?The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&amp;D than Microsoft, yet whether it is through focused R&amp;D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better.By what measure of "better"?
Because by market share, or company revenue, they aren't.
If you mean "I think they do it better" - well fine, I think that Nokia make much better phones, and anyone else makes better computers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475720</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268568600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Posting anon for obvious reasons.

</p><p>If you buy a Windows Mobile phone at MS you can claim the cost of the phone back on expenses, but it's a small PITA to do. Even so, you don't get the celluar costs paid for, Windows Mobile or not, unless you're in sales, so considering I'm paying every month why on earth does anyone think management have a right to say what my money goes on? And that's where the article is wrong - no-one actually gives a shit, beyond Ballmer's grandstanding, and of course the WM team who should be expected to use their own phones. Heck if you don't believe the company meeting stunt was Ballmer was just that then you're an idiot.

</p><p>Maybe Windows Phone 7 will turn that around, god knows I love and hate my iPhone in equal proportion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting anon for obvious reasons .
If you buy a Windows Mobile phone at MS you can claim the cost of the phone back on expenses , but it 's a small PITA to do .
Even so , you do n't get the celluar costs paid for , Windows Mobile or not , unless you 're in sales , so considering I 'm paying every month why on earth does anyone think management have a right to say what my money goes on ?
And that 's where the article is wrong - no-one actually gives a shit , beyond Ballmer 's grandstanding , and of course the WM team who should be expected to use their own phones .
Heck if you do n't believe the company meeting stunt was Ballmer was just that then you 're an idiot .
Maybe Windows Phone 7 will turn that around , god knows I love and hate my iPhone in equal proportion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting anon for obvious reasons.
If you buy a Windows Mobile phone at MS you can claim the cost of the phone back on expenses, but it's a small PITA to do.
Even so, you don't get the celluar costs paid for, Windows Mobile or not, unless you're in sales, so considering I'm paying every month why on earth does anyone think management have a right to say what my money goes on?
And that's where the article is wrong - no-one actually gives a shit, beyond Ballmer's grandstanding, and of course the WM team who should be expected to use their own phones.
Heck if you don't believe the company meeting stunt was Ballmer was just that then you're an idiot.
Maybe Windows Phone 7 will turn that around, god knows I love and hate my iPhone in equal proportion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476122</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A-fucking-men.  At Sun, there was an edict from senior management never to use Microsoft Office, instead requiring the use of OpenOffice, which sucked compared to Office 2003 (Office 2008, however, fucked it all up with that horrid ribbon-bar but I digress).  The point is, use the best tools, period, regardless of the vendor.  The truth is, the iPhone is a very well-designed device.  If it helps you be more productive, then management should be chomping at the bit to get you to use it.  This disgusting attitude of thou shalt not use anything from a competitor regardless is counterproductive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A-fucking-men .
At Sun , there was an edict from senior management never to use Microsoft Office , instead requiring the use of OpenOffice , which sucked compared to Office 2003 ( Office 2008 , however , fucked it all up with that horrid ribbon-bar but I digress ) .
The point is , use the best tools , period , regardless of the vendor .
The truth is , the iPhone is a very well-designed device .
If it helps you be more productive , then management should be chomping at the bit to get you to use it .
This disgusting attitude of thou shalt not use anything from a competitor regardless is counterproductive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A-fucking-men.
At Sun, there was an edict from senior management never to use Microsoft Office, instead requiring the use of OpenOffice, which sucked compared to Office 2003 (Office 2008, however, fucked it all up with that horrid ribbon-bar but I digress).
The point is, use the best tools, period, regardless of the vendor.
The truth is, the iPhone is a very well-designed device.
If it helps you be more productive, then management should be chomping at the bit to get you to use it.
This disgusting attitude of thou shalt not use anything from a competitor regardless is counterproductive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476108</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268571780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although I'm sure Microsoft could afford it, giving away WinMo phones, whose OS Microsoft develops and licenses, isn't quite comparable to its employees buying iPhones, which is marketed as a whole Apple product.</p><p>But yeah, how the employees spend the cash they earned is hardly the business of upper management. Well, unless they're gaming on their iPhones instead of working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although I 'm sure Microsoft could afford it , giving away WinMo phones , whose OS Microsoft develops and licenses , is n't quite comparable to its employees buying iPhones , which is marketed as a whole Apple product.But yeah , how the employees spend the cash they earned is hardly the business of upper management .
Well , unless they 're gaming on their iPhones instead of working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although I'm sure Microsoft could afford it, giving away WinMo phones, whose OS Microsoft develops and licenses, isn't quite comparable to its employees buying iPhones, which is marketed as a whole Apple product.But yeah, how the employees spend the cash they earned is hardly the business of upper management.
Well, unless they're gaming on their iPhones instead of working.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475914</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1268570220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The app store is a hobby programmer's greatest dream. Apple makes everything nice &amp; easy for the hobby programmer,</p></div></blockquote><p>Completely agree. Nice and easy. Unless you:</p><p>* don't have an extra $100/yr to spend on a membership fee<br>* don't have a Mac<br>* want to write apps that do a better job than Apple's built-in apps<br>* want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background<br>* want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media<br>* want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter<br>* want to write free (as in speech) software</p><p>But other than that, yeah, a hobby programmer's dream.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The app store is a hobby programmer 's greatest dream .
Apple makes everything nice &amp; easy for the hobby programmer,Completely agree .
Nice and easy .
Unless you : * do n't have an extra $ 100/yr to spend on a membership fee * do n't have a Mac * want to write apps that do a better job than Apple 's built-in apps * want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background * want your apps to be able to download , save and play back locally-stored media * want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter * want to write free ( as in speech ) softwareBut other than that , yeah , a hobby programmer 's dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The app store is a hobby programmer's greatest dream.
Apple makes everything nice &amp; easy for the hobby programmer,Completely agree.
Nice and easy.
Unless you:* don't have an extra $100/yr to spend on a membership fee* don't have a Mac* want to write apps that do a better job than Apple's built-in apps* want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background* want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media* want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter* want to write free (as in speech) softwareBut other than that, yeah, a hobby programmer's dream.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475636</id>
	<title>Lighten up, Microsoft</title>
	<author>postmortem</author>
	<datestamp>1268568060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now your employees can like other phones: Android phones!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now your employees can like other phones : Android phones !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now your employees can like other phones: Android phones!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475964</id>
	<title>But I'm not sure WM7 is for them</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1268570700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In their defense, they are in the midst of overhauling their mobile platform, and Windows Mobile 7 looks like it is going to be very awesome. </i></p><p>It looks interesting, BUT it's not a replacement for Windows Mobile 6.5 - now dubbed Classic.  Windows Mobile 7 is more for consumers but business people presumably would be told to continue using Classic.</p><p>Although if it has exchange integration that could be enough.</p><p>I'm not sure how some of the design choices they made will play out in real life, it will be interesting to see the final product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In their defense , they are in the midst of overhauling their mobile platform , and Windows Mobile 7 looks like it is going to be very awesome .
It looks interesting , BUT it 's not a replacement for Windows Mobile 6.5 - now dubbed Classic .
Windows Mobile 7 is more for consumers but business people presumably would be told to continue using Classic.Although if it has exchange integration that could be enough.I 'm not sure how some of the design choices they made will play out in real life , it will be interesting to see the final product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In their defense, they are in the midst of overhauling their mobile platform, and Windows Mobile 7 looks like it is going to be very awesome.
It looks interesting, BUT it's not a replacement for Windows Mobile 6.5 - now dubbed Classic.
Windows Mobile 7 is more for consumers but business people presumably would be told to continue using Classic.Although if it has exchange integration that could be enough.I'm not sure how some of the design choices they made will play out in real life, it will be interesting to see the final product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478228</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>grrrl</author>
	<datestamp>1268588640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't tether on Virgin Mobile in Australia if you are pre-paid. You HAVE to go post-paid - you don't have to sign a contract but you must choose one of their post-paid voice+data plans (which can be a lot more expensive month-month than pre-paid.</p><p>It's an arbitrary restriction that is only possible because Apple has enabled the carriers to decide if the phone will do tethering, regardless of the software on the phone (carrier unlocked makes no difference).</p><p>I believe that an unlocked phone should be able to do whatever it wants with the data coming in - if I want to share my 3G connection the carrier should only concern themselves with the fact that I am paying for the data they are sending to my SIM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't tether on Virgin Mobile in Australia if you are pre-paid .
You HAVE to go post-paid - you do n't have to sign a contract but you must choose one of their post-paid voice + data plans ( which can be a lot more expensive month-month than pre-paid.It 's an arbitrary restriction that is only possible because Apple has enabled the carriers to decide if the phone will do tethering , regardless of the software on the phone ( carrier unlocked makes no difference ) .I believe that an unlocked phone should be able to do whatever it wants with the data coming in - if I want to share my 3G connection the carrier should only concern themselves with the fact that I am paying for the data they are sending to my SIM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't tether on Virgin Mobile in Australia if you are pre-paid.
You HAVE to go post-paid - you don't have to sign a contract but you must choose one of their post-paid voice+data plans (which can be a lot more expensive month-month than pre-paid.It's an arbitrary restriction that is only possible because Apple has enabled the carriers to decide if the phone will do tethering, regardless of the software on the phone (carrier unlocked makes no difference).I believe that an unlocked phone should be able to do whatever it wants with the data coming in - if I want to share my 3G connection the carrier should only concern themselves with the fact that I am paying for the data they are sending to my SIM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475716</id>
	<title>but it doesn't "just work"</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268568600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Apple pays a bit more attention to user-friendliness than Microsoft.  Mostly, though, they are paying a lot of attention to a good unboxing experience and fun.  Apple also focuses their efforts on specific markets and demographics while Microsoft wants it all.</p><p>But people should stop saying that "it just works". Apple products often don't "just work"; just go look at the Apple support forums and do some web searches.  Nobody has managed to make computer systems or software of any significant complexity that "just works".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Apple pays a bit more attention to user-friendliness than Microsoft .
Mostly , though , they are paying a lot of attention to a good unboxing experience and fun .
Apple also focuses their efforts on specific markets and demographics while Microsoft wants it all.But people should stop saying that " it just works " .
Apple products often do n't " just work " ; just go look at the Apple support forums and do some web searches .
Nobody has managed to make computer systems or software of any significant complexity that " just works " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Apple pays a bit more attention to user-friendliness than Microsoft.
Mostly, though, they are paying a lot of attention to a good unboxing experience and fun.
Apple also focuses their efforts on specific markets and demographics while Microsoft wants it all.But people should stop saying that "it just works".
Apple products often don't "just work"; just go look at the Apple support forums and do some web searches.
Nobody has managed to make computer systems or software of any significant complexity that "just works".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477970</id>
	<title>Ex-borger here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268585820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first thing I did after leaving the borg in September was buy an iPhone and a Mac Mini (and it runs Win7 sweetly)... I was severly tempted to buy a MacBook Pro as well, but ended up with the Dell e6500 lemon/stinker... Bad choice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing I did after leaving the borg in September was buy an iPhone and a Mac Mini ( and it runs Win7 sweetly ) ... I was severly tempted to buy a MacBook Pro as well , but ended up with the Dell e6500 lemon/stinker... Bad choice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing I did after leaving the borg in September was buy an iPhone and a Mac Mini (and it runs Win7 sweetly)... I was severly tempted to buy a MacBook Pro as well, but ended up with the Dell e6500 lemon/stinker... Bad choice...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476038</id>
	<title>Microsoft's Own Products?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft's tech-savvy workforce than the company's own products.</p></div><p>Most likely, that's because Microsoft doesn't make a phone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft 's tech-savvy workforce than the company 's own products.Most likely , that 's because Microsoft does n't make a phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nowhere does the article mention attempts by the company to understand why the iPhone is more attractive to much of Microsoft's tech-savvy workforce than the company's own products.Most likely, that's because Microsoft doesn't make a phone.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475280</id>
	<title>Nice contradiction...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268565300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So Microsoft says they believe it helps them to understand the competition, but the submitter simply says "nobody believes this" and then faults microsoft for not "trying to understand the competition"? Did people actually stop reading their own submissions?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So Microsoft says they believe it helps them to understand the competition , but the submitter simply says " nobody believes this " and then faults microsoft for not " trying to understand the competition " ?
Did people actually stop reading their own submissions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Microsoft says they believe it helps them to understand the competition, but the submitter simply says "nobody believes this" and then faults microsoft for not "trying to understand the competition"?
Did people actually stop reading their own submissions?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475698</id>
	<title>Microsoft Phone?</title>
	<author>Straterra</author>
	<datestamp>1268568480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't really seem like a fair comparison to me. Microsoft doesn't make phones, they make software. This isn't really news at all, just more "We found a trend at Microsoft, lets post a news article about it!" crud. Call me when Microsoft makes a phone that most Microsoft employees refuse to use, then I might consider it newsworthy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't really seem like a fair comparison to me .
Microsoft does n't make phones , they make software .
This is n't really news at all , just more " We found a trend at Microsoft , lets post a news article about it !
" crud .
Call me when Microsoft makes a phone that most Microsoft employees refuse to use , then I might consider it newsworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't really seem like a fair comparison to me.
Microsoft doesn't make phones, they make software.
This isn't really news at all, just more "We found a trend at Microsoft, lets post a news article about it!
" crud.
Call me when Microsoft makes a phone that most Microsoft employees refuse to use, then I might consider it newsworthy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475234</id>
	<title>Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>HumanEmulator</author>
	<datestamp>1268564940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office. Or Microsoft employees search with Google. Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use? Did it benefit Microsoft to switch Hotmail to MS IIS before IIS was ready to handle a site of that scale? This isn't a failure for Microsoft's phone efforts as much as it is a victory against Microsoft's mono-culture mindset.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office .
Or Microsoft employees search with Google .
Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use ?
Did it benefit Microsoft to switch Hotmail to MS IIS before IIS was ready to handle a site of that scale ?
This is n't a failure for Microsoft 's phone efforts as much as it is a victory against Microsoft 's mono-culture mindset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office.
Or Microsoft employees search with Google.
Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use?
Did it benefit Microsoft to switch Hotmail to MS IIS before IIS was ready to handle a site of that scale?
This isn't a failure for Microsoft's phone efforts as much as it is a victory against Microsoft's mono-culture mindset.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475258</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1268565060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>yes it is apples fault because they went with At&amp;t in the first place. fail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yes it is apples fault because they went with At&amp;t in the first place .
fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes it is apples fault because they went with At&amp;t in the first place.
fail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31480136</id>
	<title>Re:Nice contradiction...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268655300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Did people actually stop reading their own submissions?</p></div><p>hi! you must be new here. welcome to slashdot!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did people actually stop reading their own submissions ? hi !
you must be new here .
welcome to slashdot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did people actually stop reading their own submissions?hi!
you must be new here.
welcome to slashdot!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31480850</id>
	<title>iPhone? What's that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268661960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhone? What's that? Never heard of it.<br>I've been too busy playing on my N770, N800, N810 and N900 with unlimited apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone ?
What 's that ?
Never heard of it.I 've been too busy playing on my N770 , N800 , N810 and N900 with unlimited apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone?
What's that?
Never heard of it.I've been too busy playing on my N770, N800, N810 and N900 with unlimited apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478484</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1268592600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store. I just think we'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple didn't keep such an iron fist over distribution.</p></div><p>No, you'd see stores all over the place, including developers who decide to serve up their apps on their own web site. There *might* be more apps this way. Overall, there probably wouldn't be better apps, except for a small handful of exceptions (like Google Voice, or 3G Slingbox and Skype (the latter two are now allowed anyway, and Google's Voice web app is really good, and as it is is better than replacing fundamental iPhone functionality)).</p><p>But for the end users, it would be a much bigger mess. As it stands now, it's <i>extremely</i> easy to browse, discover, purchase, download, and install iPhone apps. By fracturing the store, this process would no longer be as seamless. Additionally, the potential for true spyware and crapware would rise significantly. iPhone users give up a little bit, but gain a lot in exchange. For those for whom that trade-off isn't so well balanced, there's always Android.</p><p>And that's the main problem I have with people wanting Apple to allow apps from any source. There's already a phone OS that allows that (at least, to a greater extent than the iPhone). So use that. But asking Apple to follow suit is to ask Apple to destroy on of the most critical aspects of the iPhone's success. Why break the iPhone when there's already something that meets your requirements?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store .
I just think we 'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple did n't keep such an iron fist over distribution.No , you 'd see stores all over the place , including developers who decide to serve up their apps on their own web site .
There * might * be more apps this way .
Overall , there probably would n't be better apps , except for a small handful of exceptions ( like Google Voice , or 3G Slingbox and Skype ( the latter two are now allowed anyway , and Google 's Voice web app is really good , and as it is is better than replacing fundamental iPhone functionality ) ) .But for the end users , it would be a much bigger mess .
As it stands now , it 's extremely easy to browse , discover , purchase , download , and install iPhone apps .
By fracturing the store , this process would no longer be as seamless .
Additionally , the potential for true spyware and crapware would rise significantly .
iPhone users give up a little bit , but gain a lot in exchange .
For those for whom that trade-off is n't so well balanced , there 's always Android.And that 's the main problem I have with people wanting Apple to allow apps from any source .
There 's already a phone OS that allows that ( at least , to a greater extent than the iPhone ) .
So use that .
But asking Apple to follow suit is to ask Apple to destroy on of the most critical aspects of the iPhone 's success .
Why break the iPhone when there 's already something that meets your requirements ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store.
I just think we'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple didn't keep such an iron fist over distribution.No, you'd see stores all over the place, including developers who decide to serve up their apps on their own web site.
There *might* be more apps this way.
Overall, there probably wouldn't be better apps, except for a small handful of exceptions (like Google Voice, or 3G Slingbox and Skype (the latter two are now allowed anyway, and Google's Voice web app is really good, and as it is is better than replacing fundamental iPhone functionality)).But for the end users, it would be a much bigger mess.
As it stands now, it's extremely easy to browse, discover, purchase, download, and install iPhone apps.
By fracturing the store, this process would no longer be as seamless.
Additionally, the potential for true spyware and crapware would rise significantly.
iPhone users give up a little bit, but gain a lot in exchange.
For those for whom that trade-off isn't so well balanced, there's always Android.And that's the main problem I have with people wanting Apple to allow apps from any source.
There's already a phone OS that allows that (at least, to a greater extent than the iPhone).
So use that.
But asking Apple to follow suit is to ask Apple to destroy on of the most critical aspects of the iPhone's success.
Why break the iPhone when there's already something that meets your requirements?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476110</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because they should have gone with the good US cell carrier.  Man, that carrier does a great job.  They haven't ever tried to hobble the phones that they offer, haven't tried to impede VoIP use on their data network, and haven't tried to keep users from tethering their laptop to their phones.  You know, the US carrier that provides great coverage, fast data speeds, and good service at cheap prices without any restrictions on how you use their service...?
</p><p>Which carrier is that, again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because they should have gone with the good US cell carrier .
Man , that carrier does a great job .
They have n't ever tried to hobble the phones that they offer , have n't tried to impede VoIP use on their data network , and have n't tried to keep users from tethering their laptop to their phones .
You know , the US carrier that provides great coverage , fast data speeds , and good service at cheap prices without any restrictions on how you use their service... ?
Which carrier is that , again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because they should have gone with the good US cell carrier.
Man, that carrier does a great job.
They haven't ever tried to hobble the phones that they offer, haven't tried to impede VoIP use on their data network, and haven't tried to keep users from tethering their laptop to their phones.
You know, the US carrier that provides great coverage, fast data speeds, and good service at cheap prices without any restrictions on how you use their service...?
Which carrier is that, again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477446</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268580960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another slashvertisement about how great the fucking iphone is.  We get it:  Apple=always good, always godlike, Microsoft=stupid, dumb, ham-fisted.</p><p>Really, just stop.  You're going to get your free iphones from apple marketing just the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another slashvertisement about how great the fucking iphone is .
We get it : Apple = always good , always godlike , Microsoft = stupid , dumb , ham-fisted.Really , just stop .
You 're going to get your free iphones from apple marketing just the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another slashvertisement about how great the fucking iphone is.
We get it:  Apple=always good, always godlike, Microsoft=stupid, dumb, ham-fisted.Really, just stop.
You're going to get your free iphones from apple marketing just the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475766</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268568900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those that RTFA, it states that MS only reimburses service charges for phones that us MS software.  This would tend to indicate that at least some people pay extra to use Apple hardware.
<p>
Also, according to the article, the use at MS is hardly rampant.  It reports market penetration in general for iPhone is 25\%, but penetration at MS is only 10\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those that RTFA , it states that MS only reimburses service charges for phones that us MS software .
This would tend to indicate that at least some people pay extra to use Apple hardware .
Also , according to the article , the use at MS is hardly rampant .
It reports market penetration in general for iPhone is 25 \ % , but penetration at MS is only 10 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those that RTFA, it states that MS only reimburses service charges for phones that us MS software.
This would tend to indicate that at least some people pay extra to use Apple hardware.
Also, according to the article, the use at MS is hardly rampant.
It reports market penetration in general for iPhone is 25\%, but penetration at MS is only 10\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477834</id>
	<title>Observations on the bus</title>
	<author>nica</author>
	<datestamp>1268584800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I commute between Seattle and Redmond on the #545 bus used mostly by Microsoft employees and contractors. Often I notice that most of the passengers are using their cell phones during the bus ride. My guess is that looking around the bus gives me a pretty good sense of what phones are popular on the MS campus. Yes, many many iPhones. More iPhones than Windows Mobile phones. I notice some people have both a Windows Mobile phone and an iPhone. I am starting the see lots of Android phones however. It will be interesting to see what happens when Windows Mobile 7 comes out.</p><p>Of course there is lots of non-MS software which is used extensively at Microsoft. Labview, Matlab, and JMP are all used a great deal because there are no real MS equivalents. I've never noticed any non-Office productivity suites being used by my coworkers, but that is probably because Office works well enough, and the latest version is always available for employees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I commute between Seattle and Redmond on the # 545 bus used mostly by Microsoft employees and contractors .
Often I notice that most of the passengers are using their cell phones during the bus ride .
My guess is that looking around the bus gives me a pretty good sense of what phones are popular on the MS campus .
Yes , many many iPhones .
More iPhones than Windows Mobile phones .
I notice some people have both a Windows Mobile phone and an iPhone .
I am starting the see lots of Android phones however .
It will be interesting to see what happens when Windows Mobile 7 comes out.Of course there is lots of non-MS software which is used extensively at Microsoft .
Labview , Matlab , and JMP are all used a great deal because there are no real MS equivalents .
I 've never noticed any non-Office productivity suites being used by my coworkers , but that is probably because Office works well enough , and the latest version is always available for employees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I commute between Seattle and Redmond on the #545 bus used mostly by Microsoft employees and contractors.
Often I notice that most of the passengers are using their cell phones during the bus ride.
My guess is that looking around the bus gives me a pretty good sense of what phones are popular on the MS campus.
Yes, many many iPhones.
More iPhones than Windows Mobile phones.
I notice some people have both a Windows Mobile phone and an iPhone.
I am starting the see lots of Android phones however.
It will be interesting to see what happens when Windows Mobile 7 comes out.Of course there is lots of non-MS software which is used extensively at Microsoft.
Labview, Matlab, and JMP are all used a great deal because there are no real MS equivalents.
I've never noticed any non-Office productivity suites being used by my coworkers, but that is probably because Office works well enough, and the latest version is always available for employees.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476096</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I wonder how many Apple or MS employees use a Blackberry? Why everything has to be so "Apple centric".</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I wonder how many Apple or MS employees use a Blackberry ?
Why everything has to be so " Apple centric " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I wonder how many Apple or MS employees use a Blackberry?
Why everything has to be so "Apple centric".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478322</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>sixknowspring</author>
	<datestamp>1268589840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Definitely know a couple of friends at Microsoft who Google and use Gmail =)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely know a couple of friends at Microsoft who Google and use Gmail = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely know a couple of friends at Microsoft who Google and use Gmail =)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476004</id>
	<title>Re:Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolera</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1268571000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X, even though the corp network doesn't really support it. I haven't seen any Linux use on laptops, but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.</i></p><p>I actually quite liked your post until you threw out this statement - it sounds to me like you started writing the post with the intention of getting a cheap shot at Linux somewhere in it...</p><p>Actually, I take this comment as a credit to Linux because had you made this statement five years ago, you'd have said how Linux hardware support on laptops was so bad, particularly for things like WLAN interfaces - so it's quite clear it's come a long way since then.</p><p>I've not yet used Vista or Windows 7 so I don't know how good their ACPI support is - but although, in my experience, XP's ACPI support is generally better than on Linux, it still has a long way to go.</p><p>If I can throw in an example from the other side of the fence, this very weekend I have been replacing a motherboard in a PC due to a failure, that PC used to dual boot Windows XP and Linux. I went from a Pentium Dual Core mobo to an AMD X2 mobo (it's a cheap and cheerful secondary PC) and the old hard disk booted the old Linux install perfectly fine - all I had to do was recompile the kernel for some new driver options and off it went...</p><p>Windows XP, however, blue-screened on boot, even in safe mode, and when I did a fresh install of it, it kept locking up during the installation, rather ironically at the installation screen that says "Your computer will be faster and more reliable". In the end, I ditched the Windows installation completely, Windows was only on there for gaming so now I will see what I can do with Wine.</p><p>I fully accept that many people don't want to and never will use Linux, and many of them have very valid reasons for doing so. But picking up on the ACPI issue is, frankly, a petty and trivial point - if you know anything about Linux and plan running it on a laptop, if you've a brain in your head then the first thing you will do is research the hardware support and choose the best supported laptop anyway.</p><p>And if by chance ACPI doesn't work then there are other options - for starters, suspend mode is a security issue anyway (as opposed to just turning the thing off) and if lack of ACPI functionality means the battery drains quicker, then there's always the option of buying a second or extended life battery.</p><p>By all means voice your opinions about Linux but please do so from a position of knowledge about it, rather than FUD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X , even though the corp network does n't really support it .
I have n't seen any Linux use on laptops , but that 's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.I actually quite liked your post until you threw out this statement - it sounds to me like you started writing the post with the intention of getting a cheap shot at Linux somewhere in it...Actually , I take this comment as a credit to Linux because had you made this statement five years ago , you 'd have said how Linux hardware support on laptops was so bad , particularly for things like WLAN interfaces - so it 's quite clear it 's come a long way since then.I 've not yet used Vista or Windows 7 so I do n't know how good their ACPI support is - but although , in my experience , XP 's ACPI support is generally better than on Linux , it still has a long way to go.If I can throw in an example from the other side of the fence , this very weekend I have been replacing a motherboard in a PC due to a failure , that PC used to dual boot Windows XP and Linux .
I went from a Pentium Dual Core mobo to an AMD X2 mobo ( it 's a cheap and cheerful secondary PC ) and the old hard disk booted the old Linux install perfectly fine - all I had to do was recompile the kernel for some new driver options and off it went...Windows XP , however , blue-screened on boot , even in safe mode , and when I did a fresh install of it , it kept locking up during the installation , rather ironically at the installation screen that says " Your computer will be faster and more reliable " .
In the end , I ditched the Windows installation completely , Windows was only on there for gaming so now I will see what I can do with Wine.I fully accept that many people do n't want to and never will use Linux , and many of them have very valid reasons for doing so .
But picking up on the ACPI issue is , frankly , a petty and trivial point - if you know anything about Linux and plan running it on a laptop , if you 've a brain in your head then the first thing you will do is research the hardware support and choose the best supported laptop anyway.And if by chance ACPI does n't work then there are other options - for starters , suspend mode is a security issue anyway ( as opposed to just turning the thing off ) and if lack of ACPI functionality means the battery drains quicker , then there 's always the option of buying a second or extended life battery.By all means voice your opinions about Linux but please do so from a position of knowledge about it , rather than FUD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X, even though the corp network doesn't really support it.
I haven't seen any Linux use on laptops, but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.I actually quite liked your post until you threw out this statement - it sounds to me like you started writing the post with the intention of getting a cheap shot at Linux somewhere in it...Actually, I take this comment as a credit to Linux because had you made this statement five years ago, you'd have said how Linux hardware support on laptops was so bad, particularly for things like WLAN interfaces - so it's quite clear it's come a long way since then.I've not yet used Vista or Windows 7 so I don't know how good their ACPI support is - but although, in my experience, XP's ACPI support is generally better than on Linux, it still has a long way to go.If I can throw in an example from the other side of the fence, this very weekend I have been replacing a motherboard in a PC due to a failure, that PC used to dual boot Windows XP and Linux.
I went from a Pentium Dual Core mobo to an AMD X2 mobo (it's a cheap and cheerful secondary PC) and the old hard disk booted the old Linux install perfectly fine - all I had to do was recompile the kernel for some new driver options and off it went...Windows XP, however, blue-screened on boot, even in safe mode, and when I did a fresh install of it, it kept locking up during the installation, rather ironically at the installation screen that says "Your computer will be faster and more reliable".
In the end, I ditched the Windows installation completely, Windows was only on there for gaming so now I will see what I can do with Wine.I fully accept that many people don't want to and never will use Linux, and many of them have very valid reasons for doing so.
But picking up on the ACPI issue is, frankly, a petty and trivial point - if you know anything about Linux and plan running it on a laptop, if you've a brain in your head then the first thing you will do is research the hardware support and choose the best supported laptop anyway.And if by chance ACPI doesn't work then there are other options - for starters, suspend mode is a security issue anyway (as opposed to just turning the thing off) and if lack of ACPI functionality means the battery drains quicker, then there's always the option of buying a second or extended life battery.By all means voice your opinions about Linux but please do so from a position of knowledge about it, rather than FUD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479600</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft's Own Products?</title>
	<author>webreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1268650020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amusing, but not relevant. Microsoft makes a phone OS (not a very good one, but, nevertheless...). They also partner with a bunch of hardware manufacturers who make phones that run their OS.

</p><p>By the same token, you could say that Google don't make a phone, since the Nexus is manufactured by HTC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amusing , but not relevant .
Microsoft makes a phone OS ( not a very good one , but , nevertheless... ) .
They also partner with a bunch of hardware manufacturers who make phones that run their OS .
By the same token , you could say that Google do n't make a phone , since the Nexus is manufactured by HTC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amusing, but not relevant.
Microsoft makes a phone OS (not a very good one, but, nevertheless...).
They also partner with a bunch of hardware manufacturers who make phones that run their OS.
By the same token, you could say that Google don't make a phone, since the Nexus is manufactured by HTC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475558</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268567340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consumers will be consumers.  Apple employees own Xbox 360s and have Windows partitions for gaming too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consumers will be consumers .
Apple employees own Xbox 360s and have Windows partitions for gaming too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consumers will be consumers.
Apple employees own Xbox 360s and have Windows partitions for gaming too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31484978</id>
	<title>Do Not Understand Why This Is So</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1268680560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't the ZUNEphone superior in every way?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the ZUNEphone superior in every way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the ZUNEphone superior in every way?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475364</id>
	<title>amateurs</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1268565780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better weaselly PR explanation: "Microsoft employees enjoy the iphone because it is a platform for the exciting apps Microsoft has developed."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better weaselly PR explanation : " Microsoft employees enjoy the iphone because it is a platform for the exciting apps Microsoft has developed .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better weaselly PR explanation: "Microsoft employees enjoy the iphone because it is a platform for the exciting apps Microsoft has developed.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475738</id>
	<title>Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1268568720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside. You're not required to drink the kool-aid, and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned upon. Almost everyone (at least in Redmond) uses Google for search, for instance. A lot of smartphone users use iPhone. Some use Android even (even though corp discounts obviously don't apply to either iPhone or Android plans or phones). It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X, even though the corp network doesn't really support it. I haven't seen any Linux use on laptops, but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.</p><p>There are folks who proudly drink the Kool-Aid, and refuse to use anything non-Microsoft, of course, but they're in minority.</p><p>Having worked elsewhere after Microsoft, I've gained a lot of respect for this aspect of Microsoft corporate culture that I had taken for granted.  I think at least someone at Microsoft understands that Microsoft has a lot to learn from the rest of the world, and corporate inbreeding is its worst possible enemy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe it or not , Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside .
You 're not required to drink the kool-aid , and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned upon .
Almost everyone ( at least in Redmond ) uses Google for search , for instance .
A lot of smartphone users use iPhone .
Some use Android even ( even though corp discounts obviously do n't apply to either iPhone or Android plans or phones ) .
It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X , even though the corp network does n't really support it .
I have n't seen any Linux use on laptops , but that 's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.There are folks who proudly drink the Kool-Aid , and refuse to use anything non-Microsoft , of course , but they 're in minority.Having worked elsewhere after Microsoft , I 've gained a lot of respect for this aspect of Microsoft corporate culture that I had taken for granted .
I think at least someone at Microsoft understands that Microsoft has a lot to learn from the rest of the world , and corporate inbreeding is its worst possible enemy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside.
You're not required to drink the kool-aid, and using non-Microosft products and services is not frowned upon.
Almost everyone (at least in Redmond) uses Google for search, for instance.
A lot of smartphone users use iPhone.
Some use Android even (even though corp discounts obviously don't apply to either iPhone or Android plans or phones).
It is not uncommon to see a Mac running Mac OS X, even though the corp network doesn't really support it.
I haven't seen any Linux use on laptops, but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.There are folks who proudly drink the Kool-Aid, and refuse to use anything non-Microsoft, of course, but they're in minority.Having worked elsewhere after Microsoft, I've gained a lot of respect for this aspect of Microsoft corporate culture that I had taken for granted.
I think at least someone at Microsoft understands that Microsoft has a lot to learn from the rest of the world, and corporate inbreeding is its worst possible enemy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475828</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268569440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have no problem with them offering the iTunes App store, and in fact think that the cut they take doesn't seem too high.
</p><p>But what if I want a native app for Google Voice?  What if I want Google Voice to essentially replace my Voicemail and SMS buttons with a Google version that lets me use SMS for free?  What if I want to use Opera on my iPhone?  They're developing an application, but it will most likely be rejected.  What if I want to alter my home screen? (e.g. Winterboard)  Apple won't let me run those applications, even though they've been developed.
</p><p>And what of all the developers who won't bother to even write an application because they're dreading the possibility of being rejected and having all their work being useless?
</p><p>I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store.  I just think we'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple didn't keep such an iron fist over distribution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no problem with them offering the iTunes App store , and in fact think that the cut they take does n't seem too high .
But what if I want a native app for Google Voice ?
What if I want Google Voice to essentially replace my Voicemail and SMS buttons with a Google version that lets me use SMS for free ?
What if I want to use Opera on my iPhone ?
They 're developing an application , but it will most likely be rejected .
What if I want to alter my home screen ?
( e.g. Winterboard ) Apple wo n't let me run those applications , even though they 've been developed .
And what of all the developers who wo n't bother to even write an application because they 're dreading the possibility of being rejected and having all their work being useless ?
I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store .
I just think we 'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple did n't keep such an iron fist over distribution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no problem with them offering the iTunes App store, and in fact think that the cut they take doesn't seem too high.
But what if I want a native app for Google Voice?
What if I want Google Voice to essentially replace my Voicemail and SMS buttons with a Google version that lets me use SMS for free?
What if I want to use Opera on my iPhone?
They're developing an application, but it will most likely be rejected.
What if I want to alter my home screen?
(e.g. Winterboard)  Apple won't let me run those applications, even though they've been developed.
And what of all the developers who won't bother to even write an application because they're dreading the possibility of being rejected and having all their work being useless?
I like the iPhone and I like the iTunes store.
I just think we'd see even more apps and better apps if Apple didn't keep such an iron fist over distribution.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478114</id>
	<title>Re:Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolera</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1268587080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.</p><p>What past decade are YOU stuck in?  I bought an EEEPC over a year ago, and right off the bat EVERYTHING worked perfectly- suspend, graphics, webcam, sound, multitouch pad, wifi, etc.  Then I trashed the included Linux and installed a different Linux.  Guess what?  Everything worked perfectly AGAIN.</p><p>This doesn't mean there are not problematic situations with certain hardware, but I would hardly called it "sucks ass".  It think it is pretty damn good.  And it is all the better such that it is open, free, and done WITHOUT much assistance from hardware manufacturers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; but that 's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.What past decade are YOU stuck in ?
I bought an EEEPC over a year ago , and right off the bat EVERYTHING worked perfectly- suspend , graphics , webcam , sound , multitouch pad , wifi , etc .
Then I trashed the included Linux and installed a different Linux .
Guess what ?
Everything worked perfectly AGAIN.This does n't mean there are not problematic situations with certain hardware , but I would hardly called it " sucks ass " .
It think it is pretty damn good .
And it is all the better such that it is open , free , and done WITHOUT much assistance from hardware manufacturers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;but that's probably because ACPI support in Linux sucks ass.What past decade are YOU stuck in?
I bought an EEEPC over a year ago, and right off the bat EVERYTHING worked perfectly- suspend, graphics, webcam, sound, multitouch pad, wifi, etc.
Then I trashed the included Linux and installed a different Linux.
Guess what?
Everything worked perfectly AGAIN.This doesn't mean there are not problematic situations with certain hardware, but I would hardly called it "sucks ass".
It think it is pretty damn good.
And it is all the better such that it is open, free, and done WITHOUT much assistance from hardware manufacturers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476606</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, Microsoft employees do not get Windows Mobile phones for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , Microsoft employees do not get Windows Mobile phones for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, Microsoft employees do not get Windows Mobile phones for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31478886</id>
	<title>Re:Nice contradiction...</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1268685360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah and I think it is quite believable. RIM (the 3rd big smartphone company...) actually gives employees money to buy phones from other companies. This way everyone has a rim phone and a competitor's phone. You can really quickly see where you are going right and where you have fucked up. It is a great system, more people should do it. And it certainly isn't unbelievable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah and I think it is quite believable .
RIM ( the 3rd big smartphone company... ) actually gives employees money to buy phones from other companies .
This way everyone has a rim phone and a competitor 's phone .
You can really quickly see where you are going right and where you have fucked up .
It is a great system , more people should do it .
And it certainly is n't unbelievable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah and I think it is quite believable.
RIM (the 3rd big smartphone company...) actually gives employees money to buy phones from other companies.
This way everyone has a rim phone and a competitor's phone.
You can really quickly see where you are going right and where you have fucked up.
It is a great system, more people should do it.
And it certainly isn't unbelievable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31480334</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>mahiskali</author>
	<datestamp>1268657460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That <b>WAS</b> the case.  There is nothing 'locked down' on my Droid.  PDA Net let's you tether (for free) and it's a certified app from the marketplace.  The GPS is completely unlocked, and many apps (Google Tracks is great for example) utilize it's full capability.  You can even allow 3rd party apps to be installed by unchecking an option in settings.

Your statement would be correct if you went back a few years ago.  It seems that Verizon finally realized that locking their users out of their phones in the name of "better user experience" was a terrible, terrible idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That WAS the case .
There is nothing 'locked down ' on my Droid .
PDA Net let 's you tether ( for free ) and it 's a certified app from the marketplace .
The GPS is completely unlocked , and many apps ( Google Tracks is great for example ) utilize it 's full capability .
You can even allow 3rd party apps to be installed by unchecking an option in settings .
Your statement would be correct if you went back a few years ago .
It seems that Verizon finally realized that locking their users out of their phones in the name of " better user experience " was a terrible , terrible idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That WAS the case.
There is nothing 'locked down' on my Droid.
PDA Net let's you tether (for free) and it's a certified app from the marketplace.
The GPS is completely unlocked, and many apps (Google Tracks is great for example) utilize it's full capability.
You can even allow 3rd party apps to be installed by unchecking an option in settings.
Your statement would be correct if you went back a few years ago.
It seems that Verizon finally realized that locking their users out of their phones in the name of "better user experience" was a terrible, terrible idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31480934</id>
	<title>What is it with Microsoft and</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268662500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>junk?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>junk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>junk?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475818</id>
	<title>Microsoft can't succeed</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268569260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No matter how good Windows Mobile 7 itself may be, the fundamental problem with Windows Mobile 7 is that it is still tied to other Microsoft products, and Microsoft's other products often suck. You just know that if you're going to try to use it Google Apps, Mac, Linux, Firefox, or iTunes, there's going to be tons of problems.</p><p>They're probably going to use it to try to push Windows Live, Bing, Bing Maps, Xbox, Zune, Office, and all the other crap they are selling.  And while you may use and like some of that, I don't know anybody who really likes everything Microsoft makes.</p><p>And Microsoft can't escape that trap.  The Mobile division would be fired if they tried to give people what they actually wanted: Gmail, iTunes, Google Maps, PS3, etc.</p><p>And the things they have optimized for Windows Mobile 7 are not necessarily the ones I care about.  "Bright superflat squares that fill the screen"?  A good mobile phone interface is not primarily about the best graphic design, it's about a lot of other things.</p><p>I don't think it's possible for Microsoft to produce a good mobile phone given the way the company operates.</p><p>Of course, in many ways, Apple is just as proprietary and annoying.  But unlike Microsoft, Apple is happy with a few percent market share.  And Apple doesn't have as much crap to tie into, so despite Jobs's control-freakishness, the iPhone still ends up being more open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No matter how good Windows Mobile 7 itself may be , the fundamental problem with Windows Mobile 7 is that it is still tied to other Microsoft products , and Microsoft 's other products often suck .
You just know that if you 're going to try to use it Google Apps , Mac , Linux , Firefox , or iTunes , there 's going to be tons of problems.They 're probably going to use it to try to push Windows Live , Bing , Bing Maps , Xbox , Zune , Office , and all the other crap they are selling .
And while you may use and like some of that , I do n't know anybody who really likes everything Microsoft makes.And Microsoft ca n't escape that trap .
The Mobile division would be fired if they tried to give people what they actually wanted : Gmail , iTunes , Google Maps , PS3 , etc.And the things they have optimized for Windows Mobile 7 are not necessarily the ones I care about .
" Bright superflat squares that fill the screen " ?
A good mobile phone interface is not primarily about the best graphic design , it 's about a lot of other things.I do n't think it 's possible for Microsoft to produce a good mobile phone given the way the company operates.Of course , in many ways , Apple is just as proprietary and annoying .
But unlike Microsoft , Apple is happy with a few percent market share .
And Apple does n't have as much crap to tie into , so despite Jobs 's control-freakishness , the iPhone still ends up being more open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No matter how good Windows Mobile 7 itself may be, the fundamental problem with Windows Mobile 7 is that it is still tied to other Microsoft products, and Microsoft's other products often suck.
You just know that if you're going to try to use it Google Apps, Mac, Linux, Firefox, or iTunes, there's going to be tons of problems.They're probably going to use it to try to push Windows Live, Bing, Bing Maps, Xbox, Zune, Office, and all the other crap they are selling.
And while you may use and like some of that, I don't know anybody who really likes everything Microsoft makes.And Microsoft can't escape that trap.
The Mobile division would be fired if they tried to give people what they actually wanted: Gmail, iTunes, Google Maps, PS3, etc.And the things they have optimized for Windows Mobile 7 are not necessarily the ones I care about.
"Bright superflat squares that fill the screen"?
A good mobile phone interface is not primarily about the best graphic design, it's about a lot of other things.I don't think it's possible for Microsoft to produce a good mobile phone given the way the company operates.Of course, in many ways, Apple is just as proprietary and annoying.
But unlike Microsoft, Apple is happy with a few percent market share.
And Apple doesn't have as much crap to tie into, so despite Jobs's control-freakishness, the iPhone still ends up being more open.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479510</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1268649060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having worked at Apple -- though it was many years ago...  they make a point of eating their own dog food.<br>Nothing improves quality like having not only a formal QA team, but every employee part of an informal QA team.</p><p>I also worked at Microsoft in the early 90's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... they eat their dog food too... but where do I submit a bug report?</p><p>They had no process for non-QA employees/contractors to file a bug report....</p><p>Big difference in quality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having worked at Apple -- though it was many years ago... they make a point of eating their own dog food.Nothing improves quality like having not only a formal QA team , but every employee part of an informal QA team.I also worked at Microsoft in the early 90 's ... they eat their dog food too... but where do I submit a bug report ? They had no process for non-QA employees/contractors to file a bug report....Big difference in quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having worked at Apple -- though it was many years ago...  they make a point of eating their own dog food.Nothing improves quality like having not only a formal QA team, but every employee part of an informal QA team.I also worked at Microsoft in the early 90's ... they eat their dog food too... but where do I submit a bug report?They had no process for non-QA employees/contractors to file a bug report....Big difference in quality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479052</id>
	<title>More to the point...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268644080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure the MS employees signed an "Employment Contract", not a "Be Our Customer And Buy All Our Products Contract".  Employers will often offer discounts to employees to use their products, but I'm pretty sure for instance that restaurant employees sometimes eat food their head chef didn't cook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure the MS employees signed an " Employment Contract " , not a " Be Our Customer And Buy All Our Products Contract " .
Employers will often offer discounts to employees to use their products , but I 'm pretty sure for instance that restaurant employees sometimes eat food their head chef did n't cook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure the MS employees signed an "Employment Contract", not a "Be Our Customer And Buy All Our Products Contract".
Employers will often offer discounts to employees to use their products, but I'm pretty sure for instance that restaurant employees sometimes eat food their head chef didn't cook.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475476</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268566560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eating their own dog food.</p><p>Apple employees probably use Pages, Keynote and the rest of the iWork suite because they're quite good pieces of software.  Microsoft probably doesn't have a raft of people who are using Open Office or Pages because well, even for Mac, Office v.x is pretty slick.  Microsoft employees also probably are Xbox fans, by and large.</p><p>Mono-culture is one thing, being able to swallow your own dog food is another.  Monocultures work when the products you sell are actually good.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  When you have to ENFORCE your monoculture, you're clearly doing something wrong in the market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eating their own dog food.Apple employees probably use Pages , Keynote and the rest of the iWork suite because they 're quite good pieces of software .
Microsoft probably does n't have a raft of people who are using Open Office or Pages because well , even for Mac , Office v.x is pretty slick .
Microsoft employees also probably are Xbox fans , by and large.Mono-culture is one thing , being able to swallow your own dog food is another .
Monocultures work when the products you sell are actually good .
: ) When you have to ENFORCE your monoculture , you 're clearly doing something wrong in the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eating their own dog food.Apple employees probably use Pages, Keynote and the rest of the iWork suite because they're quite good pieces of software.
Microsoft probably doesn't have a raft of people who are using Open Office or Pages because well, even for Mac, Office v.x is pretty slick.
Microsoft employees also probably are Xbox fans, by and large.Mono-culture is one thing, being able to swallow your own dog food is another.
Monocultures work when the products you sell are actually good.
:)  When you have to ENFORCE your monoculture, you're clearly doing something wrong in the market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475372</id>
	<title>Windows Mobile 7 is not yet out.</title>
	<author>tronbradia</author>
	<datestamp>1268565780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In their defense, they are in the midst of overhauling their mobile platform, and Windows Mobile 7 looks like it is going to be very awesome. Maybe this just shows how young I am, but I think this <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-everything-is-different-now" title="gizmodo.com" rel="nofollow">Gizmodo article</a> [gizmodo.com] might just be the most gushing preview of a Microsoft product I've ever seen from an independent source.

<p>Also guys, "News for nerds, stuff that matters"?  I think this is two of those words at best. But here I am commenting. Oh sigh...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In their defense , they are in the midst of overhauling their mobile platform , and Windows Mobile 7 looks like it is going to be very awesome .
Maybe this just shows how young I am , but I think this Gizmodo article [ gizmodo.com ] might just be the most gushing preview of a Microsoft product I 've ever seen from an independent source .
Also guys , " News for nerds , stuff that matters " ?
I think this is two of those words at best .
But here I am commenting .
Oh sigh.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In their defense, they are in the midst of overhauling their mobile platform, and Windows Mobile 7 looks like it is going to be very awesome.
Maybe this just shows how young I am, but I think this Gizmodo article [gizmodo.com] might just be the most gushing preview of a Microsoft product I've ever seen from an independent source.
Also guys, "News for nerds, stuff that matters"?
I think this is two of those words at best.
But here I am commenting.
Oh sigh...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475304</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268565480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.</p></div><p>It probably wouldn't be where it is today if Apple didn't "restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps." The app store is a hobby programmer's greatest  dream. Apple makes everything nice &amp; easy for the hobby programmer, which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of apps available for the iPhone in a timeframe unheard of by other phone providers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either way , obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple did n't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.It probably would n't be where it is today if Apple did n't " restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps .
" The app store is a hobby programmer 's greatest dream .
Apple makes everything nice &amp; easy for the hobby programmer , which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of apps available for the iPhone in a timeframe unheard of by other phone providers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.It probably wouldn't be where it is today if Apple didn't "restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.
" The app store is a hobby programmer's greatest  dream.
Apple makes everything nice &amp; easy for the hobby programmer, which has resulted in hundreds of thousands of apps available for the iPhone in a timeframe unheard of by other phone providers.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477410</id>
	<title>Eat your own dog-food...</title>
	<author>linatux</author>
	<datestamp>1268580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you aim to make the best, you should be using your own product?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you aim to make the best , you should be using your own product ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you aim to make the best, you should be using your own product?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475362</id>
	<title>Obsessesion</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1268565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Apple culture is about obsession. This goes from creation to use. Despite any flaws the iPhone it has, it feels likes someone actually thought how non-engineers would use it. This is an important factor IMHO, because even with the 'wow' factor, a device will only work if people can find it usable. Too many gadgets, IMHO, are designed by engineers and almost feel like the primary user was an engineer. To many people the "it just works" element is as important as any of the features that the device it may include.</p><p>There are other companies who have understood the people factor, but all to often it doesn't feel like it is running through the veins of the companies.</p><p>Looking at Microsoft, I feel that they are confused about what it means be user friendly. There are elements of the company who seem to get it, while there are other parts that thinks bells and whistles are what user friendly is about. For me being user friendly is something a little complex, it is that right balance of simplicity and richness of functionality. Hiding features or dumbing down an application is not going to magically solve the problem, if the humans factor is forgotten in the process.</p><p>The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&amp;D than Microsoft, yet whether it is through focused R&amp;D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better. Maybe there is something to be said of having a company run by a guy who is so obsessive that his passion captivates people, rather than alienating them - yes, I am insinuating that Balmer's passion at developer conferences is more an after thought than something that drives the company in a cohesive way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apple culture is about obsession .
This goes from creation to use .
Despite any flaws the iPhone it has , it feels likes someone actually thought how non-engineers would use it .
This is an important factor IMHO , because even with the 'wow ' factor , a device will only work if people can find it usable .
Too many gadgets , IMHO , are designed by engineers and almost feel like the primary user was an engineer .
To many people the " it just works " element is as important as any of the features that the device it may include.There are other companies who have understood the people factor , but all to often it does n't feel like it is running through the veins of the companies.Looking at Microsoft , I feel that they are confused about what it means be user friendly .
There are elements of the company who seem to get it , while there are other parts that thinks bells and whistles are what user friendly is about .
For me being user friendly is something a little complex , it is that right balance of simplicity and richness of functionality .
Hiding features or dumbing down an application is not going to magically solve the problem , if the humans factor is forgotten in the process.The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&amp;D than Microsoft , yet whether it is through focused R&amp;D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better .
Maybe there is something to be said of having a company run by a guy who is so obsessive that his passion captivates people , rather than alienating them - yes , I am insinuating that Balmer 's passion at developer conferences is more an after thought than something that drives the company in a cohesive way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apple culture is about obsession.
This goes from creation to use.
Despite any flaws the iPhone it has, it feels likes someone actually thought how non-engineers would use it.
This is an important factor IMHO, because even with the 'wow' factor, a device will only work if people can find it usable.
Too many gadgets, IMHO, are designed by engineers and almost feel like the primary user was an engineer.
To many people the "it just works" element is as important as any of the features that the device it may include.There are other companies who have understood the people factor, but all to often it doesn't feel like it is running through the veins of the companies.Looking at Microsoft, I feel that they are confused about what it means be user friendly.
There are elements of the company who seem to get it, while there are other parts that thinks bells and whistles are what user friendly is about.
For me being user friendly is something a little complex, it is that right balance of simplicity and richness of functionality.
Hiding features or dumbing down an application is not going to magically solve the problem, if the humans factor is forgotten in the process.The irony in all this is that Apple spends less on R&amp;D than Microsoft, yet whether it is through focused R&amp;D or some other factor I feel they seem to capture the magic combination better.
Maybe there is something to be said of having a company run by a guy who is so obsessive that his passion captivates people, rather than alienating them - yes, I am insinuating that Balmer's passion at developer conferences is more an after thought than something that drives the company in a cohesive way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475792</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268569080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do they get the Microsoft products for free? If they do, then there's a real issue there.</p><p>If not, it's the employees money to do with what they please.  Upper management needs to STFU.</p></div><p>MS employees don't get anything free.  They get steep discounts on MS software (85\% or so off), but only a small discount on on hardware.  I have, on occasion, seen xboxes for sale commercially for less then in the employee store.  I did a year long contract for MS in the mobile division and I never heard of upper management discouraging iPhone use.  The FTEs on my team used a wide range of mobile devices and I think it really helped to broaden people's horizons.  I think management understood that. That said, MS is a very large creature and I saw only a little corner of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they get the Microsoft products for free ?
If they do , then there 's a real issue there.If not , it 's the employees money to do with what they please .
Upper management needs to STFU.MS employees do n't get anything free .
They get steep discounts on MS software ( 85 \ % or so off ) , but only a small discount on on hardware .
I have , on occasion , seen xboxes for sale commercially for less then in the employee store .
I did a year long contract for MS in the mobile division and I never heard of upper management discouraging iPhone use .
The FTEs on my team used a wide range of mobile devices and I think it really helped to broaden people 's horizons .
I think management understood that .
That said , MS is a very large creature and I saw only a little corner of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they get the Microsoft products for free?
If they do, then there's a real issue there.If not, it's the employees money to do with what they please.
Upper management needs to STFU.MS employees don't get anything free.
They get steep discounts on MS software (85\% or so off), but only a small discount on on hardware.
I have, on occasion, seen xboxes for sale commercially for less then in the employee store.
I did a year long contract for MS in the mobile division and I never heard of upper management discouraging iPhone use.
The FTEs on my team used a wide range of mobile devices and I think it really helped to broaden people's horizons.
I think management understood that.
That said, MS is a very large creature and I saw only a little corner of it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475308</id>
	<title>I don't understand</title>
	<author>OrwellianLurker</author>
	<datestamp>1268565480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand how a company as huge and powerful as Microsoft can't release a good competitor for the iPhone. I have a Zune, and the hardware is quite nice, but the software is horrible and has given me a BSOD on three separate computers (with different versions of Windows).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand how a company as huge and powerful as Microsoft ca n't release a good competitor for the iPhone .
I have a Zune , and the hardware is quite nice , but the software is horrible and has given me a BSOD on three separate computers ( with different versions of Windows ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand how a company as huge and powerful as Microsoft can't release a good competitor for the iPhone.
I have a Zune, and the hardware is quite nice, but the software is horrible and has given me a BSOD on three separate computers (with different versions of Windows).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31481154</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268663760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the only thing you're right about is the part about needing a Mac to develop software for the iPhone, everything else you can do except you don't get it in the iTunes store, the $100 dollar fee is just for that, but -and please correct me if I'm wrong- you write software and share it with up to 100 iPhones</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the only thing you 're right about is the part about needing a Mac to develop software for the iPhone , everything else you can do except you do n't get it in the iTunes store , the $ 100 dollar fee is just for that , but -and please correct me if I 'm wrong- you write software and share it with up to 100 iPhones</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the only thing you're right about is the part about needing a Mac to develop software for the iPhone, everything else you can do except you don't get it in the iTunes store, the $100 dollar fee is just for that, but -and please correct me if I'm wrong- you write software and share it with up to 100 iPhones</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476104</id>
	<title>RSS feed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dropped.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dropped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dropped.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31482060</id>
	<title>Apples and oranges.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268668500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Current-gen Windows Mobile is a business-oriented device, like Blackberry.  Nobody is going to use a Blackberry or WinMo phone as their *personal* phone.  High-end and tech-savvy consumers in the U.S. buy iPhone or Android phones, period.</p><p>Wait until MS's consumer-oriented product - Windows Phone 7 - comes out, and see if the numbers change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Current-gen Windows Mobile is a business-oriented device , like Blackberry .
Nobody is going to use a Blackberry or WinMo phone as their * personal * phone .
High-end and tech-savvy consumers in the U.S. buy iPhone or Android phones , period.Wait until MS 's consumer-oriented product - Windows Phone 7 - comes out , and see if the numbers change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Current-gen Windows Mobile is a business-oriented device, like Blackberry.
Nobody is going to use a Blackberry or WinMo phone as their *personal* phone.
High-end and tech-savvy consumers in the U.S. buy iPhone or Android phones, period.Wait until MS's consumer-oriented product - Windows Phone 7 - comes out, and see if the numbers change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475536</id>
	<title>Re:Windows Mobile 7 is not yet out.</title>
	<author>Eponymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1268567160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are going to be a fan, at least get the name right: Windows Phone 7 Series.</p><p>Making a good product isn't good enough for Microsoft. It has to be an amazing product that is heavily marketed to seriously affect Apple and Google's momentum. It has to be something that once people see it, they want it.</p><p>cf the Zune. Every review I have read, is positive. Anybody who has one, generally speaks quite well of it. Yet it still hasn't pulled much market share from the iPod.</p><p>The big wildcard in this though, is Apple and their bad behavior. If Apple pisses off enough developers other platforms benefit. Unfortunately for Microsoft, I suspect Android will be gain more developers than Microsoft. A big part of making an amazing product comes from third parties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are going to be a fan , at least get the name right : Windows Phone 7 Series.Making a good product is n't good enough for Microsoft .
It has to be an amazing product that is heavily marketed to seriously affect Apple and Google 's momentum .
It has to be something that once people see it , they want it.cf the Zune .
Every review I have read , is positive .
Anybody who has one , generally speaks quite well of it .
Yet it still has n't pulled much market share from the iPod.The big wildcard in this though , is Apple and their bad behavior .
If Apple pisses off enough developers other platforms benefit .
Unfortunately for Microsoft , I suspect Android will be gain more developers than Microsoft .
A big part of making an amazing product comes from third parties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are going to be a fan, at least get the name right: Windows Phone 7 Series.Making a good product isn't good enough for Microsoft.
It has to be an amazing product that is heavily marketed to seriously affect Apple and Google's momentum.
It has to be something that once people see it, they want it.cf the Zune.
Every review I have read, is positive.
Anybody who has one, generally speaks quite well of it.
Yet it still hasn't pulled much market share from the iPod.The big wildcard in this though, is Apple and their bad behavior.
If Apple pisses off enough developers other platforms benefit.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, I suspect Android will be gain more developers than Microsoft.
A big part of making an amazing product comes from third parties.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475082</id>
	<title>I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268564100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a love/hate relationship with my iPhone. My preciousss.  It's pretty and seductive, but it locks me out of stuff.  For just about everything, there's an app for that, except for when Apple pulled it.  It can do just about everything, but not when Apple or AT&amp;T says it can't, like tethering.  But for all it makes me crazy, I still can't seem to pause in the middle of the day without pulling it from its holster and stroking its sleek, responsive, beautiful face for a few minutes.</p><p>Damn this stupid phone.  I really should throw it back into the depths of Cupertino from whence it came, but you'd probably have to gnaw my hand off to get me to drop it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a love/hate relationship with my iPhone .
My preciousss .
It 's pretty and seductive , but it locks me out of stuff .
For just about everything , there 's an app for that , except for when Apple pulled it .
It can do just about everything , but not when Apple or AT&amp;T says it ca n't , like tethering .
But for all it makes me crazy , I still ca n't seem to pause in the middle of the day without pulling it from its holster and stroking its sleek , responsive , beautiful face for a few minutes.Damn this stupid phone .
I really should throw it back into the depths of Cupertino from whence it came , but you 'd probably have to gnaw my hand off to get me to drop it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a love/hate relationship with my iPhone.
My preciousss.
It's pretty and seductive, but it locks me out of stuff.
For just about everything, there's an app for that, except for when Apple pulled it.
It can do just about everything, but not when Apple or AT&amp;T says it can't, like tethering.
But for all it makes me crazy, I still can't seem to pause in the middle of the day without pulling it from its holster and stroking its sleek, responsive, beautiful face for a few minutes.Damn this stupid phone.
I really should throw it back into the depths of Cupertino from whence it came, but you'd probably have to gnaw my hand off to get me to drop it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479970</id>
	<title>Ah well,  there is your problem</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1268653560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should hook your "Zune" up to a Mac. And might I say I think it is a bit silly to name your iPod "Zune". Does it have some special meaning?
</p><p>On and offnote, I wonder what would happen if on your first day at MS, you would bring your Macbook along, listening to an iPod, while talking on the iPhone, and wrote your first email on gmail.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should hook your " Zune " up to a Mac .
And might I say I think it is a bit silly to name your iPod " Zune " .
Does it have some special meaning ?
On and offnote , I wonder what would happen if on your first day at MS , you would bring your Macbook along , listening to an iPod , while talking on the iPhone , and wrote your first email on gmail .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should hook your "Zune" up to a Mac.
And might I say I think it is a bit silly to name your iPod "Zune".
Does it have some special meaning?
On and offnote, I wonder what would happen if on your first day at MS, you would bring your Macbook along, listening to an iPod, while talking on the iPhone, and wrote your first email on gmail.
:P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477676</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>dakameleon</author>
	<datestamp>1268583240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's definitely an AT&amp;T bias - many overseas mobile networks are quite happy to remove those restrictions as soon as Apple-AT&amp;T agree to do so. For example, in Australia the iPhone was sold unlocked from day 1 (since the 3G came on the market), and 3 out of 4 major networks that carry it allow tethering with no extra charge. The one hold-out charges a nominal fee to enable it. Similar things apply in the UK &amp; Europe, but the primary source of restrictions is still driven by Apple's home market (something I would hope would change with increasing international popularity).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's definitely an AT&amp;T bias - many overseas mobile networks are quite happy to remove those restrictions as soon as Apple-AT&amp;T agree to do so .
For example , in Australia the iPhone was sold unlocked from day 1 ( since the 3G came on the market ) , and 3 out of 4 major networks that carry it allow tethering with no extra charge .
The one hold-out charges a nominal fee to enable it .
Similar things apply in the UK &amp; Europe , but the primary source of restrictions is still driven by Apple 's home market ( something I would hope would change with increasing international popularity ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's definitely an AT&amp;T bias - many overseas mobile networks are quite happy to remove those restrictions as soon as Apple-AT&amp;T agree to do so.
For example, in Australia the iPhone was sold unlocked from day 1 (since the 3G came on the market), and 3 out of 4 major networks that carry it allow tethering with no extra charge.
The one hold-out charges a nominal fee to enable it.
Similar things apply in the UK &amp; Europe, but the primary source of restrictions is still driven by Apple's home market (something I would hope would change with increasing international popularity).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479888</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Waccoon</author>
	<datestamp>1268652840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Apple sells it, it's Apple's fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Apple sells it , it 's Apple 's fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Apple sells it, it's Apple's fault.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477508</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268581860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy. Compare with other providers arround the world. Also compare with other smartphone in the USA (including those sold by AT&amp;T).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy .
Compare with other providers arround the world .
Also compare with other smartphone in the USA ( including those sold by AT&amp;T ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy.
Compare with other providers arround the world.
Also compare with other smartphone in the USA (including those sold by AT&amp;T).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31495986</id>
	<title>Re:Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1268755680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they just prefer the competition's product.  The problem with MS is that they're less like a normal company, and more like a cult.  At any normal company, you just come in and do your work, and no one worries about what you do at home or what products you buy.  At MS, however, you'll <a href="http://digg.com/microsoft/Ex\_Microsoft\_employee\_fired\_for\_not\_saying\_bing\_correctly" title="digg.com">get fired if you're not brainwashed enough to say "Bing!" correctly</a> [digg.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they just prefer the competition 's product .
The problem with MS is that they 're less like a normal company , and more like a cult .
At any normal company , you just come in and do your work , and no one worries about what you do at home or what products you buy .
At MS , however , you 'll get fired if you 're not brainwashed enough to say " Bing !
" correctly [ digg.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they just prefer the competition's product.
The problem with MS is that they're less like a normal company, and more like a cult.
At any normal company, you just come in and do your work, and no one worries about what you do at home or what products you buy.
At MS, however, you'll get fired if you're not brainwashed enough to say "Bing!
" correctly [digg.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476384</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1268573700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office. Or Microsoft employees search with Google. Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use?</p></div><p>My thoughts exactly. MS is huge. People working on WinMo &amp; WinPhone directly, now yeah, there I would of course expect them to use their own product (if they aren't sure in it, or don't think it's good enough, then why are they even working in that team?).</p><p>But other than that? Surprise, people buy things that work best for them. And there is nothing wrong with accepting that Apple is really good at some things, just as MS is good at others.</p><p>Strive to be better and overtake Apple in that market? Well, sure, of course! - but you aren't going to get there by sticking fingers in your ears and going "lalala, I can't hear you"...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office .
Or Microsoft employees search with Google .
Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use ? My thoughts exactly .
MS is huge .
People working on WinMo &amp; WinPhone directly , now yeah , there I would of course expect them to use their own product ( if they are n't sure in it , or do n't think it 's good enough , then why are they even working in that team ?
) .But other than that ?
Surprise , people buy things that work best for them .
And there is nothing wrong with accepting that Apple is really good at some things , just as MS is good at others.Strive to be better and overtake Apple in that market ?
Well , sure , of course !
- but you are n't going to get there by sticking fingers in your ears and going " lalala , I ca n't hear you " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many Apple employees use Microsoft Office.
Or Microsoft employees search with Google.
Why are people so intent on declaring one product the winner that everybody should use?My thoughts exactly.
MS is huge.
People working on WinMo &amp; WinPhone directly, now yeah, there I would of course expect them to use their own product (if they aren't sure in it, or don't think it's good enough, then why are they even working in that team?
).But other than that?
Surprise, people buy things that work best for them.
And there is nothing wrong with accepting that Apple is really good at some things, just as MS is good at others.Strive to be better and overtake Apple in that market?
Well, sure, of course!
- but you aren't going to get there by sticking fingers in your ears and going "lalala, I can't hear you"...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475726</id>
	<title>Re:Obsessesion</title>
	<author>uglyduckling</author>
	<datestamp>1268568660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, that hits the nail on the head.  I've just helped my parents buy their first MacBook having previously had a Windows XP laptop.  I've noticed that when they can't figure out how to do something and get me to show them, when they see the solution on the Mac they say "ahh... clever! that's how it works".  On Windows XP, when I showed them something or they finally figured it out for themselves, they would tend to say "damn, I've been looking for that for hours, how stupid!".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , that hits the nail on the head .
I 've just helped my parents buy their first MacBook having previously had a Windows XP laptop .
I 've noticed that when they ca n't figure out how to do something and get me to show them , when they see the solution on the Mac they say " ahh... clever ! that 's how it works " .
On Windows XP , when I showed them something or they finally figured it out for themselves , they would tend to say " damn , I 've been looking for that for hours , how stupid !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, that hits the nail on the head.
I've just helped my parents buy their first MacBook having previously had a Windows XP laptop.
I've noticed that when they can't figure out how to do something and get me to show them, when they see the solution on the Mac they say "ahh... clever! that's how it works".
On Windows XP, when I showed them something or they finally figured it out for themselves, they would tend to say "damn, I've been looking for that for hours, how stupid!
".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476048</id>
	<title>Corporate inbreeding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268571360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another famous example of corporate inbreeding is the taboo against American auto workers driving Japanese cars.  I think this taboo had a lot to do with why Detroit lost so much ground to the Japanese in the 1970s and 1980s.  Without the direct, everyday experience of comparing the quality of the cars they were building to those from Honda and Toyota, they just couldn't understand how far behind they really were and what was going to be needed to catch up.  The truth is, GM and Ford management should have purchased Japanese cars themselves, given them away by lottery to 10\% or 20\% of their employees, and <i>required</i> those employees to drive them to work every day!

</p><p>People need to get over their high-school-loyalty mindset and realize that having at least some employees familiar with the competition's product is critical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another famous example of corporate inbreeding is the taboo against American auto workers driving Japanese cars .
I think this taboo had a lot to do with why Detroit lost so much ground to the Japanese in the 1970s and 1980s .
Without the direct , everyday experience of comparing the quality of the cars they were building to those from Honda and Toyota , they just could n't understand how far behind they really were and what was going to be needed to catch up .
The truth is , GM and Ford management should have purchased Japanese cars themselves , given them away by lottery to 10 \ % or 20 \ % of their employees , and required those employees to drive them to work every day !
People need to get over their high-school-loyalty mindset and realize that having at least some employees familiar with the competition 's product is critical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another famous example of corporate inbreeding is the taboo against American auto workers driving Japanese cars.
I think this taboo had a lot to do with why Detroit lost so much ground to the Japanese in the 1970s and 1980s.
Without the direct, everyday experience of comparing the quality of the cars they were building to those from Honda and Toyota, they just couldn't understand how far behind they really were and what was going to be needed to catch up.
The truth is, GM and Ford management should have purchased Japanese cars themselves, given them away by lottery to 10\% or 20\% of their employees, and required those employees to drive them to work every day!
People need to get over their high-school-loyalty mindset and realize that having at least some employees familiar with the competition's product is critical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475870</id>
	<title>Re:Obsessesion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268569860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an engineer I would love to find products designed for engineers. Where are they? I haven't been able to find them. I am sure Linux driver developers would love to find them too. With the exception of products marketed specifically towards engineers -- like compilers and other engineering tools -- mainstream products are designed for typical users. I would love to find a scanner that came with protocol design documentation, FPGA or firmware code and the source code to the driver. If this exists it was an extra afterthought and not part of designing for an engineer.</p><p>There are plenty of products with design flaws, but these are equally problematic for engineers and other users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an engineer I would love to find products designed for engineers .
Where are they ?
I have n't been able to find them .
I am sure Linux driver developers would love to find them too .
With the exception of products marketed specifically towards engineers -- like compilers and other engineering tools -- mainstream products are designed for typical users .
I would love to find a scanner that came with protocol design documentation , FPGA or firmware code and the source code to the driver .
If this exists it was an extra afterthought and not part of designing for an engineer.There are plenty of products with design flaws , but these are equally problematic for engineers and other users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an engineer I would love to find products designed for engineers.
Where are they?
I haven't been able to find them.
I am sure Linux driver developers would love to find them too.
With the exception of products marketed specifically towards engineers -- like compilers and other engineering tools -- mainstream products are designed for typical users.
I would love to find a scanner that came with protocol design documentation, FPGA or firmware code and the source code to the driver.
If this exists it was an extra afterthought and not part of designing for an engineer.There are plenty of products with design flaws, but these are equally problematic for engineers and other users.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476566</id>
	<title>Re:Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolera</title>
	<author>piltdownman84</author>
	<datestamp>1268574960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside.</p></div><p>
They do sound pretty open.  Compared to say Coke, who will fire employees for "violating a policy prohibiting slander of Coke products", aka drinking Pepsi or eating at a Pepsi owned fast food chain.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe it or not , Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside .
They do sound pretty open .
Compared to say Coke , who will fire employees for " violating a policy prohibiting slander of Coke products " , aka drinking Pepsi or eating at a Pepsi owned fast food chain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe it or not, Microsoft is a pretty tolerant company on the inside.
They do sound pretty open.
Compared to say Coke, who will fire employees for "violating a policy prohibiting slander of Coke products", aka drinking Pepsi or eating at a Pepsi owned fast food chain.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31479028</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>am 2k</author>
	<datestamp>1268643840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>* want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media</p></div><p>"3.3.13 If Your Application includes or will include any other content, You must either own all such content or have permission from the content owner t use it in Your Application."</p><p><div class="quote"><p>* want to write free (as in speech) software</p></div><p>"3.3.16 If Your Application includes any FOSS, You agree to comply with all applicable FOSS licensing terms. You also agree not to use any FOSS in the development of Your Application in such a way that would cause the non-FOSS portions of the Apple Software to be subject to any FOSS licensing terms or obligations."</p><p>The others are correct, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* want your apps to be able to download , save and play back locally-stored media " 3.3.13 If Your Application includes or will include any other content , You must either own all such content or have permission from the content owner t use it in Your Application .
" * want to write free ( as in speech ) software " 3.3.16 If Your Application includes any FOSS , You agree to comply with all applicable FOSS licensing terms .
You also agree not to use any FOSS in the development of Your Application in such a way that would cause the non-FOSS portions of the Apple Software to be subject to any FOSS licensing terms or obligations .
" The others are correct , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media"3.3.13 If Your Application includes or will include any other content, You must either own all such content or have permission from the content owner t use it in Your Application.
"* want to write free (as in speech) software"3.3.16 If Your Application includes any FOSS, You agree to comply with all applicable FOSS licensing terms.
You also agree not to use any FOSS in the development of Your Application in such a way that would cause the non-FOSS portions of the Apple Software to be subject to any FOSS licensing terms or obligations.
"The others are correct, though.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475660</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268568240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently.</p></div></blockquote><p>AT&amp;T didn't block VoIP over 3G.  They told Apple to disallow VoIP apps over the 3G network.</p><blockquote><div><p>It raises the question in my mind: how much of the iPhone lock-down (only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything, and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&amp;T for preventing certain kinds of apps.</p></div></blockquote><p>The iPod Touch runs the same software with no restrictions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a similar deal with VoIP , which was blocked over 3G until recently.AT&amp;T did n't block VoIP over 3G .
They told Apple to disallow VoIP apps over the 3G network.It raises the question in my mind : how much of the iPhone lock-down ( only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store ) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything , and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&amp;T for preventing certain kinds of apps.The iPod Touch runs the same software with no restrictions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently.AT&amp;T didn't block VoIP over 3G.
They told Apple to disallow VoIP apps over the 3G network.It raises the question in my mind: how much of the iPhone lock-down (only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything, and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&amp;T for preventing certain kinds of apps.The iPod Touch runs the same software with no restrictions.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476060</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand</title>
	<author>Idbar</author>
	<datestamp>1268571480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you using iTunes?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you using iTunes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you using iTunes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475578</id>
	<title>Re:Victory against monoculture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268567460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually this is typical Microsoft, they obsess with the chief competitor before they attack.  There are anecdotes that Redmond was awash in books on Java in the late '90s. Then came<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET 1.0, where the biggest difference with Sun's product seemed to be that LeadingCamelCase was the convention for method names instead of lowerCamelCase.</p><p>As Ballmer mentioned in his quote in TFA, Detroit was/is just the opposite.  Apparently even when traveling executives were supposed to rent cars from the home brand, though you'd think that would be a useful occasion to familiarize themselves with the competition.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this is typical Microsoft , they obsess with the chief competitor before they attack .
There are anecdotes that Redmond was awash in books on Java in the late '90s .
Then came .NET 1.0 , where the biggest difference with Sun 's product seemed to be that LeadingCamelCase was the convention for method names instead of lowerCamelCase.As Ballmer mentioned in his quote in TFA , Detroit was/is just the opposite .
Apparently even when traveling executives were supposed to rent cars from the home brand , though you 'd think that would be a useful occasion to familiarize themselves with the competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually this is typical Microsoft, they obsess with the chief competitor before they attack.
There are anecdotes that Redmond was awash in books on Java in the late '90s.
Then came .NET 1.0, where the biggest difference with Sun's product seemed to be that LeadingCamelCase was the convention for method names instead of lowerCamelCase.As Ballmer mentioned in his quote in TFA, Detroit was/is just the opposite.
Apparently even when traveling executives were supposed to rent cars from the home brand, though you'd think that would be a useful occasion to familiarize themselves with the competition.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475228</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1268564940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Apple supports tethering in the iPhone, but AT&amp;T requires them to disallow you from using it.  It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently.  It raises the question in my mind: how much of the iPhone lock-down (only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything, and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&amp;T for preventing certain kinds of apps.
</p><p>Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Apple supports tethering in the iPhone , but AT&amp;T requires them to disallow you from using it .
It was a similar deal with VoIP , which was blocked over 3G until recently .
It raises the question in my mind : how much of the iPhone lock-down ( only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store ) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything , and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&amp;T for preventing certain kinds of apps .
Either way , obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple did n't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Apple supports tethering in the iPhone, but AT&amp;T requires them to disallow you from using it.
It was a similar deal with VoIP, which was blocked over 3G until recently.
It raises the question in my mind: how much of the iPhone lock-down (only allowed to install apps from the iTunes store) is caused by Apple wanting a cut of everything, and how much is caused by contractual obligations to AT&amp;T for preventing certain kinds of apps.
Either way, obviously iPhones would be way better if Apple didn't restrict development and distribution of 3rd party apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475360</id>
	<title>Do they get the Microsoft products for free?</title>
	<author>Rocky</author>
	<datestamp>1268565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they do, then there's a real issue there.</p><p>If not, it's the employees money to do with what they please.  Upper management needs to STFU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they do , then there 's a real issue there.If not , it 's the employees money to do with what they please .
Upper management needs to STFU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they do, then there's a real issue there.If not, it's the employees money to do with what they please.
Upper management needs to STFU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31482082</id>
	<title>The Microsoft recruiters had them</title>
	<author>hockeyc</author>
	<datestamp>1268668620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even the Microsoft recruiters who came to our school had them. They use them because they work well. One of them told us they'd had conversations with the Windows mobile folks telling them that if they made something worth using they'd switch back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the Microsoft recruiters who came to our school had them .
They use them because they work well .
One of them told us they 'd had conversations with the Windows mobile folks telling them that if they made something worth using they 'd switch back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the Microsoft recruiters who came to our school had them.
They use them because they work well.
One of them told us they'd had conversations with the Windows mobile folks telling them that if they made something worth using they'd switch back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477222</id>
	<title>Gimme a break</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268579160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When's the last time anyone looked at the Ford factories and saw nothing but Fords in the Employee parking lot? Only us techies make a big deal out of this stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When 's the last time anyone looked at the Ford factories and saw nothing but Fords in the Employee parking lot ?
Only us techies make a big deal out of this stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When's the last time anyone looked at the Ford factories and saw nothing but Fords in the Employee parking lot?
Only us techies make a big deal out of this stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475618</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1268567880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention Verizon was (is?) rather famous for locking features down.</p><p>Two 'identical' phones on Verizon &amp; AT&amp;T would have Bluetooth turned off on Verizon so you had to send files through their '$1/picture' service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention Verizon was ( is ?
) rather famous for locking features down.Two 'identical ' phones on Verizon &amp; AT&amp;T would have Bluetooth turned off on Verizon so you had to send files through their ' $ 1/picture ' service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention Verizon was (is?
) rather famous for locking features down.Two 'identical' phones on Verizon &amp; AT&amp;T would have Bluetooth turned off on Verizon so you had to send files through their '$1/picture' service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475978</id>
	<title>Obviously</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268570820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better is better no matter where you work.</p><p>For crying out loud when will we focus on improving our own products rather than kicking the competition? Open your eyes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better is better no matter where you work.For crying out loud when will we focus on improving our own products rather than kicking the competition ?
Open your eyes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better is better no matter where you work.For crying out loud when will we focus on improving our own products rather than kicking the competition?
Open your eyes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475534</id>
	<title>Why is this news?</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1268567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't work in a business directly linked to mobile phones but I do work in the telecoms industry for a company that does produce VoIP clients for mobile phones, as well as business telephony servers.</p><p>In my experience, Windows is currently in a decline as an OS for mobile phones, it now all seems to be Blackberry, iPhone, Android &amp; Symbian...</p><p>Sure, it may well be that Windows Mobile 7 means it will pick up for Microsoft at some point in the future but presumably a lot of people who work in Microsoft are gadget freaks like the rest of us &amp; want to buy the latest gizmos... that means gizmos that probably don't run Windows Mobile at this moment in time.</p><p>I just don't see that there's anything amazing to report here - if anything, MS employees are used to working with locked down operating systems &amp; hardware, therefore iPhone would be second nature to them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't work in a business directly linked to mobile phones but I do work in the telecoms industry for a company that does produce VoIP clients for mobile phones , as well as business telephony servers.In my experience , Windows is currently in a decline as an OS for mobile phones , it now all seems to be Blackberry , iPhone , Android &amp; Symbian...Sure , it may well be that Windows Mobile 7 means it will pick up for Microsoft at some point in the future but presumably a lot of people who work in Microsoft are gadget freaks like the rest of us &amp; want to buy the latest gizmos... that means gizmos that probably do n't run Windows Mobile at this moment in time.I just do n't see that there 's anything amazing to report here - if anything , MS employees are used to working with locked down operating systems &amp; hardware , therefore iPhone would be second nature to them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't work in a business directly linked to mobile phones but I do work in the telecoms industry for a company that does produce VoIP clients for mobile phones, as well as business telephony servers.In my experience, Windows is currently in a decline as an OS for mobile phones, it now all seems to be Blackberry, iPhone, Android &amp; Symbian...Sure, it may well be that Windows Mobile 7 means it will pick up for Microsoft at some point in the future but presumably a lot of people who work in Microsoft are gadget freaks like the rest of us &amp; want to buy the latest gizmos... that means gizmos that probably don't run Windows Mobile at this moment in time.I just don't see that there's anything amazing to report here - if anything, MS employees are used to working with locked down operating systems &amp; hardware, therefore iPhone would be second nature to them...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31476434</id>
	<title>Loyalty to the check-writers</title>
	<author>ezratrumpet</author>
	<datestamp>1268574060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I side with the loyalty crowd. Be it Apple or Microsoft, support the place that's keeping you in interwebs, flat screen TVs, a nice ride, and an occasional vacation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I side with the loyalty crowd .
Be it Apple or Microsoft , support the place that 's keeping you in interwebs , flat screen TVs , a nice ride , and an occasional vacation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I side with the loyalty crowd.
Be it Apple or Microsoft, support the place that's keeping you in interwebs, flat screen TVs, a nice ride, and an occasional vacation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31482554</id>
	<title>Re:I loves and hateses my Preciousss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268671080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>* don't have an extra $100/yr to spend on a membership fee<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- dont be so poor?<br>* don't have a Mac<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- its a great platform to develop on regardless, and can be had for cheap<br>* want to write apps that do a better job than Apple's built-in apps<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- a real complaint<br>* want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- an arguable complaint, but with the push notification, very few tasks need this<br>* want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- you can do this, just not from the itunes pool of media, but why would you wanna do that really?<br>* want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- sorta circumvents the security of the appstore against malware and similar problems<br>* want to write free (as in speech) software<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- is this a real complaint or just pandering to slashdot crowd.</p><p>Frankly I love the SDK, I only develop 'free' apps on the appstore. It's the first platform thats gotten me so excited in years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* do n't have an extra $ 100/yr to spend on a membership fee         -- dont be so poor ?
* do n't have a Mac         -- its a great platform to develop on regardless , and can be had for cheap * want to write apps that do a better job than Apple 's built-in apps         -- a real complaint * want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background       -- an arguable complaint , but with the push notification , very few tasks need this * want your apps to be able to download , save and play back locally-stored media       -- you can do this , just not from the itunes pool of media , but why would you wan na do that really ?
* want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter       -- sorta circumvents the security of the appstore against malware and similar problems * want to write free ( as in speech ) software       -- is this a real complaint or just pandering to slashdot crowd.Frankly I love the SDK , I only develop 'free ' apps on the appstore .
It 's the first platform thats gotten me so excited in years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* don't have an extra $100/yr to spend on a membership fee
        -- dont be so poor?
* don't have a Mac
        -- its a great platform to develop on regardless, and can be had for cheap* want to write apps that do a better job than Apple's built-in apps
        -- a real complaint* want your apps to be able to run tasks in the background
      -- an arguable complaint, but with the push notification, very few tasks need this* want your apps to be able to download, save and play back locally-stored media
      -- you can do this, just not from the itunes pool of media, but why would you wanna do that really?
* want to write apps that contain a plugin system or language interpreter
      -- sorta circumvents the security of the appstore against malware and similar problems* want to write free (as in speech) software
      -- is this a real complaint or just pandering to slashdot crowd.Frankly I love the SDK, I only develop 'free' apps on the appstore.
It's the first platform thats gotten me so excited in years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31477294</id>
	<title>Re:Windows Mobile 7 is not yet out.</title>
	<author>RogerWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1268579760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe it when I see it. MS has been hyping the "next version" since forever. Always promising it would deliver what their current version lacks. Having heard it for most of the last 15 years, some promises going back to when Windows 95 was called "Chicago", I am a non believer until I actually see it.</p><p>That goes for Apple or Linux or whatever else too. I just find that Apple usually delivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe it when I see it .
MS has been hyping the " next version " since forever .
Always promising it would deliver what their current version lacks .
Having heard it for most of the last 15 years , some promises going back to when Windows 95 was called " Chicago " , I am a non believer until I actually see it.That goes for Apple or Linux or whatever else too .
I just find that Apple usually delivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe it when I see it.
MS has been hyping the "next version" since forever.
Always promising it would deliver what their current version lacks.
Having heard it for most of the last 15 years, some promises going back to when Windows 95 was called "Chicago", I am a non believer until I actually see it.That goes for Apple or Linux or whatever else too.
I just find that Apple usually delivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_14_208200.31475702</id>
	<title>Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268568480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>News for nerds. Stuff that matters.<br>iPhone does not matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News for nerds .
Stuff that matters.iPhone does not matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News for nerds.
Stuff that matters.iPhone does not matter.</sentencetext>
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