<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_1749244</id>
	<title>Multitasking In For iPhone 4.0?</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1268333820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The latest word on the iPhone is that the 4.0 OS will finally have
<a href="http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/10/03/11/may.borrow.mac.interface.concepts/">honest-to-goodness multitasking</a>.  This could hopefully lead to things like a  real chat client, and dangerous battery consumption. I still hope it's true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The latest word on the iPhone is that the 4.0 OS will finally have honest-to-goodness multitasking .
This could hopefully lead to things like a real chat client , and dangerous battery consumption .
I still hope it 's true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The latest word on the iPhone is that the 4.0 OS will finally have
honest-to-goodness multitasking.
This could hopefully lead to things like a  real chat client, and dangerous battery consumption.
I still hope it's true.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442446</id>
	<title>Apologists</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1268339940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it's a bad idea and wasn't implemented.  I'm sure they're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it 's a bad idea and was n't implemented .
I 'm sure they 're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it's a bad idea and wasn't implemented.
I'm sure they're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441766</id>
	<title>Re:It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>BitwiseX</author>
	<datestamp>1268337900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I wanted a freakin' phone I would have just bought a RAZR or something, but I wanted a SMART phone.  You don't think iPhone users want this? *raises hand* I do!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I wanted a freakin ' phone I would have just bought a RAZR or something , but I wanted a SMART phone .
You do n't think iPhone users want this ?
* raises hand * I do !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I wanted a freakin' phone I would have just bought a RAZR or something, but I wanted a SMART phone.
You don't think iPhone users want this?
*raises hand* I do!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441694</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442128</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268339160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A real chat client? What's missing from it currently? BeeJive with push notifications enabled has been as good for me as any backgrounded chat app I've ever used.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A real chat client ?
What 's missing from it currently ?
BeeJive with push notifications enabled has been as good for me as any backgrounded chat app I 've ever used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A real chat client?
What's missing from it currently?
BeeJive with push notifications enabled has been as good for me as any backgrounded chat app I've ever used.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449420</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1268386380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The multitasking aspect is essential for things like keeping an instant messenger or VoIP app running in the background (a 24/7 scenario here)...</p><p>Although I've got to say - most Android IM apps suck at staying connected in the background. Fring, eBuddy, Nimbuzz - they all disconnect (and then don't reconnect automatically!) or crash after a while...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The multitasking aspect is essential for things like keeping an instant messenger or VoIP app running in the background ( a 24/7 scenario here ) ...Although I 've got to say - most Android IM apps suck at staying connected in the background .
Fring , eBuddy , Nimbuzz - they all disconnect ( and then do n't reconnect automatically !
) or crash after a while.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The multitasking aspect is essential for things like keeping an instant messenger or VoIP app running in the background (a 24/7 scenario here)...Although I've got to say - most Android IM apps suck at staying connected in the background.
Fring, eBuddy, Nimbuzz - they all disconnect (and then don't reconnect automatically!
) or crash after a while...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442050</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you quit an app, it's no longer running. If you switch from one app to another, it's still running in the background. Is that hard to understand?</p><p>So, if you don't want that game to keep running in the BG, quit it; don't just go back and run another thing. You get to choose if a given task will stay in the background every time you leave it. That has always worked for everything since the Amiga; should work for an iPhone, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you quit an app , it 's no longer running .
If you switch from one app to another , it 's still running in the background .
Is that hard to understand ? So , if you do n't want that game to keep running in the BG , quit it ; do n't just go back and run another thing .
You get to choose if a given task will stay in the background every time you leave it .
That has always worked for everything since the Amiga ; should work for an iPhone , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you quit an app, it's no longer running.
If you switch from one app to another, it's still running in the background.
Is that hard to understand?So, if you don't want that game to keep running in the BG, quit it; don't just go back and run another thing.
You get to choose if a given task will stay in the background every time you leave it.
That has always worked for everything since the Amiga; should work for an iPhone, too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441752</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444702</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1268303460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind of batter time are you looking at in doing this? As I'm looking to replace a Blackberry 87xx series, the N900 sounds like a nice phone. A bit pricey at that though..!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of batter time are you looking at in doing this ?
As I 'm looking to replace a Blackberry 87xx series , the N900 sounds like a nice phone .
A bit pricey at that though.. !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of batter time are you looking at in doing this?
As I'm looking to replace a Blackberry 87xx series, the N900 sounds like a nice phone.
A bit pricey at that though..!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443798</id>
	<title>Re:Apologists</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1268300520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it's a bad idea and wasn't implemented.  I'm sure they're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it, right?</p></div><p>Umm, yeah..  Congratulations, you just completely owned that straw man you set up there.  It didn't even stand a chance against you!<br> <br>

Now back to reality, most iPhone users I've talked to have admitted that multitasking would be a nice feature and have expressed their opinions that it would probably be added eventually (just like copy and paste was later added).  A minority of iPhone users expressed their satisfaction with the current model and wouldn't care to use a multitasking feature if it ever was offered.  Personally, I've never met any of your straw men, but I'm willing to wager they're a minority if they exist.  Or do I just associate with exceptionally rational people?  Probably not...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it 's a bad idea and was n't implemented .
I 'm sure they 're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it , right ? Umm , yeah.. Congratulations , you just completely owned that straw man you set up there .
It did n't even stand a chance against you !
Now back to reality , most iPhone users I 've talked to have admitted that multitasking would be a nice feature and have expressed their opinions that it would probably be added eventually ( just like copy and paste was later added ) .
A minority of iPhone users expressed their satisfaction with the current model and would n't care to use a multitasking feature if it ever was offered .
Personally , I 've never met any of your straw men , but I 'm willing to wager they 're a minority if they exist .
Or do I just associate with exceptionally rational people ?
Probably not.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anytime you mention multitasking to an Apple fanboi they come up with 20 reasons why it's a bad idea and wasn't implemented.
I'm sure they're just irate about this new feature and will be pissed off to no end that Apple is adding it, right?Umm, yeah..  Congratulations, you just completely owned that straw man you set up there.
It didn't even stand a chance against you!
Now back to reality, most iPhone users I've talked to have admitted that multitasking would be a nice feature and have expressed their opinions that it would probably be added eventually (just like copy and paste was later added).
A minority of iPhone users expressed their satisfaction with the current model and wouldn't care to use a multitasking feature if it ever was offered.
Personally, I've never met any of your straw men, but I'm willing to wager they're a minority if they exist.
Or do I just associate with exceptionally rational people?
Probably not...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442446</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31473454</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1268594400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not a good assumption to make. I use a app called PaperDroid which is basically an offline web page reader for when I am overseas without unlimited data, and when ever you switch away from it and back again it re-renders the entire page from scratch. On a long page that can take a second or two, more with images and complicated layout.</p><p>Some apps really need to update in the background too. An IRC client needs to keep accepting messages, a wardriving app needs to keep scanning etc. Android's ability for apps to sync in the background is also very useful, and allows apps to poll RSS feeds or other "pull" only data sources so they can notify you of updates. iPhone apps can't do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not a good assumption to make .
I use a app called PaperDroid which is basically an offline web page reader for when I am overseas without unlimited data , and when ever you switch away from it and back again it re-renders the entire page from scratch .
On a long page that can take a second or two , more with images and complicated layout.Some apps really need to update in the background too .
An IRC client needs to keep accepting messages , a wardriving app needs to keep scanning etc .
Android 's ability for apps to sync in the background is also very useful , and allows apps to poll RSS feeds or other " pull " only data sources so they can notify you of updates .
iPhone apps ca n't do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not a good assumption to make.
I use a app called PaperDroid which is basically an offline web page reader for when I am overseas without unlimited data, and when ever you switch away from it and back again it re-renders the entire page from scratch.
On a long page that can take a second or two, more with images and complicated layout.Some apps really need to update in the background too.
An IRC client needs to keep accepting messages, a wardriving app needs to keep scanning etc.
Android's ability for apps to sync in the background is also very useful, and allows apps to poll RSS feeds or other "pull" only data sources so they can notify you of updates.
iPhone apps can't do that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31445288</id>
	<title>Phone multitasking != PC multitasking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't stand hearing everyone talk about multitasking on things like Android devices as though it works the same way as it does on their desktop PC.  Nothing could be further from the truth.</p><p>The first form of multitasking on Android is that applications can elect to receive messages, e.g. "someone is calling", or "wifi state changed".</p><p>If you actually need to do constant work in the background (e.g., listening on a network port), you can do so as well, using a "service".  And even services will be killed by the system if resources are needed.</p><p>No one is talking about running a Handbrake encode session, Firefox with a bunch of animated Flash ads, and a kernel compile at the same time on their phone.</p><p>Multitasking on a phone is being able to record breadcrumbs of a journey with a GPS app, listen to streaming internet radio, and receive notifications from an instant messaging client at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't stand hearing everyone talk about multitasking on things like Android devices as though it works the same way as it does on their desktop PC .
Nothing could be further from the truth.The first form of multitasking on Android is that applications can elect to receive messages , e.g .
" someone is calling " , or " wifi state changed " .If you actually need to do constant work in the background ( e.g. , listening on a network port ) , you can do so as well , using a " service " .
And even services will be killed by the system if resources are needed.No one is talking about running a Handbrake encode session , Firefox with a bunch of animated Flash ads , and a kernel compile at the same time on their phone.Multitasking on a phone is being able to record breadcrumbs of a journey with a GPS app , listen to streaming internet radio , and receive notifications from an instant messaging client at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't stand hearing everyone talk about multitasking on things like Android devices as though it works the same way as it does on their desktop PC.
Nothing could be further from the truth.The first form of multitasking on Android is that applications can elect to receive messages, e.g.
"someone is calling", or "wifi state changed".If you actually need to do constant work in the background (e.g., listening on a network port), you can do so as well, using a "service".
And even services will be killed by the system if resources are needed.No one is talking about running a Handbrake encode session, Firefox with a bunch of animated Flash ads, and a kernel compile at the same time on their phone.Multitasking on a phone is being able to record breadcrumbs of a journey with a GPS app, listen to streaming internet radio, and receive notifications from an instant messaging client at the same time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441984</id>
	<title>Riiiight.</title>
	<author>wiredog</author>
	<datestamp>1268338620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it'll be on Verizon's network, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it 'll be on Verizon 's network , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it'll be on Verizon's network, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444664</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like Apple's ripping off Android now. Maybe HTC should sue them back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like Apple 's ripping off Android now .
Maybe HTC should sue them back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like Apple's ripping off Android now.
Maybe HTC should sue them back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441694</id>
	<title>It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>gyrogeerloose</author>
	<datestamp>1268337600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares if it multitasks? The whole argument is just something cooked up by the anti-Apple crowd as ammunition to use against the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares if it multitasks ?
The whole argument is just something cooked up by the anti-Apple crowd as ammunition to use against the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares if it multitasks?
The whole argument is just something cooked up by the anti-Apple crowd as ammunition to use against the iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441946</id>
	<title>Re:It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>nangus</author>
	<datestamp>1268338500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So people that use the iphone never want to say use last.fm or ustream and aim or some game at the same time? Just from a user prospective I would like to be able to use more then one app, that is not part of the default install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So people that use the iphone never want to say use last.fm or ustream and aim or some game at the same time ?
Just from a user prospective I would like to be able to use more then one app , that is not part of the default install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So people that use the iphone never want to say use last.fm or ustream and aim or some game at the same time?
Just from a user prospective I would like to be able to use more then one app, that is not part of the default install.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441694</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442046</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an iPhone developer, I can tell you this just isn't coming. Apple has lots of (NDA'd) guidelines about how much CPU juice you get (since iPod etc can work through your app) and this would seriously topsy turvey the existing software base. They have gone out of their way to make a UI that works well without multitasking, and stuff like APNS was engineer specifically not to require it.</p><p>Aside from having my SSH sessions die when I want to goto an email or phone call, multi tasking has never actually been lacking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an iPhone developer , I can tell you this just is n't coming .
Apple has lots of ( NDA 'd ) guidelines about how much CPU juice you get ( since iPod etc can work through your app ) and this would seriously topsy turvey the existing software base .
They have gone out of their way to make a UI that works well without multitasking , and stuff like APNS was engineer specifically not to require it.Aside from having my SSH sessions die when I want to goto an email or phone call , multi tasking has never actually been lacking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an iPhone developer, I can tell you this just isn't coming.
Apple has lots of (NDA'd) guidelines about how much CPU juice you get (since iPod etc can work through your app) and this would seriously topsy turvey the existing software base.
They have gone out of their way to make a UI that works well without multitasking, and stuff like APNS was engineer specifically not to require it.Aside from having my SSH sessions die when I want to goto an email or phone call, multi tasking has never actually been lacking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441752</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</id>
	<title>Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>c.r.o.c.o</author>
	<datestamp>1268340600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had my Nokia N900 for a couple of months now, and for those unaware, most of the specs are identical to the iPhone 3Gs 32Gb. Well, except that it has a much higher resolution screen, a keyboard, a real GPS, an FM transmitter and a microUSB port for data and charging. But the CPU/GPU and amount of storage are the same, except that you can also add a microSD card to the N900. But now on to the most important difference to the 3Gs. I've used both my N900 and a 3Gs, and the 3Gs just feels sluggish, while having half the functionality.</p><p>Flipping home screens on the N900, regardless of how many icons and widgets it's running is smooth, with no clipping. Even with half a dozen apps running in the background, the UI remains equally fast (several instances of the Firefox, Application Manager, Communication app, Contacts app, Skype, MediaBox, battery-eye, conky, etc). Flipping through the 3Gs icon screens clips and feels choppier. It's not a large difference, but keep in mind the hardware is identical and the iPhone has NO applications running in the background.</p><p>The N900 also starts up applications faster, in most cases instantaneously. Start up times do increase progressively after about 3-4 large apps are already loaded and actually doing stuff in the background (Firefox loading up pages, Application Manager checking for updates, MediaBox playing music). But many utilities that only refresh while in the foreground do not have any impact at all (Conky, battery-eye, disk usage, etc). In contrast, the 3Gs takes a couple of seconds to load up pretty much every app I tried, regardless of how limited its functionality is, and complex apps take even longer.</p><p>Once the apps are running, they are roughly equally fast on both the N900 and the 3Gs. But as I stated above, the N900 may be running several apps in the background, and the foreground apps do not slow down at all.</p><p>I think this is why Apple did not allow multitasking up to now. Given how slowly single apps load on their flagship 3Gs, true multitasking will bring it down to its knees. The iPhone OS takes much more resources to run than Maemo or Android, and the iPhone single tasking is a way of masking it. Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps, nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone. And I'm sure those Apple apps are optimized and tweaked to hook into the OS and stay loaded at all times. Most likely the 4G will have a faster processor and more RAM, and will compensate for the OS shortcomings through brute force.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had my Nokia N900 for a couple of months now , and for those unaware , most of the specs are identical to the iPhone 3Gs 32Gb .
Well , except that it has a much higher resolution screen , a keyboard , a real GPS , an FM transmitter and a microUSB port for data and charging .
But the CPU/GPU and amount of storage are the same , except that you can also add a microSD card to the N900 .
But now on to the most important difference to the 3Gs .
I 've used both my N900 and a 3Gs , and the 3Gs just feels sluggish , while having half the functionality.Flipping home screens on the N900 , regardless of how many icons and widgets it 's running is smooth , with no clipping .
Even with half a dozen apps running in the background , the UI remains equally fast ( several instances of the Firefox , Application Manager , Communication app , Contacts app , Skype , MediaBox , battery-eye , conky , etc ) .
Flipping through the 3Gs icon screens clips and feels choppier .
It 's not a large difference , but keep in mind the hardware is identical and the iPhone has NO applications running in the background.The N900 also starts up applications faster , in most cases instantaneously .
Start up times do increase progressively after about 3-4 large apps are already loaded and actually doing stuff in the background ( Firefox loading up pages , Application Manager checking for updates , MediaBox playing music ) .
But many utilities that only refresh while in the foreground do not have any impact at all ( Conky , battery-eye , disk usage , etc ) .
In contrast , the 3Gs takes a couple of seconds to load up pretty much every app I tried , regardless of how limited its functionality is , and complex apps take even longer.Once the apps are running , they are roughly equally fast on both the N900 and the 3Gs .
But as I stated above , the N900 may be running several apps in the background , and the foreground apps do not slow down at all.I think this is why Apple did not allow multitasking up to now .
Given how slowly single apps load on their flagship 3Gs , true multitasking will bring it down to its knees .
The iPhone OS takes much more resources to run than Maemo or Android , and the iPhone single tasking is a way of masking it .
Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps , nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone .
And I 'm sure those Apple apps are optimized and tweaked to hook into the OS and stay loaded at all times .
Most likely the 4G will have a faster processor and more RAM , and will compensate for the OS shortcomings through brute force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had my Nokia N900 for a couple of months now, and for those unaware, most of the specs are identical to the iPhone 3Gs 32Gb.
Well, except that it has a much higher resolution screen, a keyboard, a real GPS, an FM transmitter and a microUSB port for data and charging.
But the CPU/GPU and amount of storage are the same, except that you can also add a microSD card to the N900.
But now on to the most important difference to the 3Gs.
I've used both my N900 and a 3Gs, and the 3Gs just feels sluggish, while having half the functionality.Flipping home screens on the N900, regardless of how many icons and widgets it's running is smooth, with no clipping.
Even with half a dozen apps running in the background, the UI remains equally fast (several instances of the Firefox, Application Manager, Communication app, Contacts app, Skype, MediaBox, battery-eye, conky, etc).
Flipping through the 3Gs icon screens clips and feels choppier.
It's not a large difference, but keep in mind the hardware is identical and the iPhone has NO applications running in the background.The N900 also starts up applications faster, in most cases instantaneously.
Start up times do increase progressively after about 3-4 large apps are already loaded and actually doing stuff in the background (Firefox loading up pages, Application Manager checking for updates, MediaBox playing music).
But many utilities that only refresh while in the foreground do not have any impact at all (Conky, battery-eye, disk usage, etc).
In contrast, the 3Gs takes a couple of seconds to load up pretty much every app I tried, regardless of how limited its functionality is, and complex apps take even longer.Once the apps are running, they are roughly equally fast on both the N900 and the 3Gs.
But as I stated above, the N900 may be running several apps in the background, and the foreground apps do not slow down at all.I think this is why Apple did not allow multitasking up to now.
Given how slowly single apps load on their flagship 3Gs, true multitasking will bring it down to its knees.
The iPhone OS takes much more resources to run than Maemo or Android, and the iPhone single tasking is a way of masking it.
Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps, nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone.
And I'm sure those Apple apps are optimized and tweaked to hook into the OS and stay loaded at all times.
Most likely the 4G will have a faster processor and more RAM, and will compensate for the OS shortcomings through brute force.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441810</id>
	<title>Re:It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i was gonna ask what's the point of chat? but i suppose if it could more than 2 people at a time, that could be useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i was gon na ask what 's the point of chat ?
but i suppose if it could more than 2 people at a time , that could be useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i was gonna ask what's the point of chat?
but i suppose if it could more than 2 people at a time, that could be useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443508</id>
	<title>Welcome to Last Year Apple.</title>
	<author>d3ac0n</author>
	<datestamp>1268299620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Palm's WebOS has had FULL multitasking for ALL apps since Summer 2009.  Go check out a Pre or Pixi on Sprint or a Pre +, Pixi + on Verizon.  All the "Oh look at the cool multitasking things we can do" on the latest 3Gs commercial?  WebOS had it out of the box last summer.</p><p>Oh, and then there is the remarkably simple development platform (Web standards! Yay!)  and the vibrant non-official apps catalog available in the free PreWare and WebOS Quick Install applications that work in perfect sync with the Official WebOS Catalog.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; (Palm has actually been helping the community integrate the sideline catalog, and encouraging mods and patches to the base WebOS setup.  Imagine that!)</p><p>For all the hype about Apple (and Droid)  NEITHER of them can yet do what Palm has already accomplished in less than a year.</p><p>Stop dicking around with Apple slaveware and Google's multiple personality disorderware.  Go get a Pre or a Pixi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Palm 's WebOS has had FULL multitasking for ALL apps since Summer 2009 .
Go check out a Pre or Pixi on Sprint or a Pre + , Pixi + on Verizon .
All the " Oh look at the cool multitasking things we can do " on the latest 3Gs commercial ?
WebOS had it out of the box last summer.Oh , and then there is the remarkably simple development platform ( Web standards !
Yay ! ) and the vibrant non-official apps catalog available in the free PreWare and WebOS Quick Install applications that work in perfect sync with the Official WebOS Catalog .
    ( Palm has actually been helping the community integrate the sideline catalog , and encouraging mods and patches to the base WebOS setup .
Imagine that !
) For all the hype about Apple ( and Droid ) NEITHER of them can yet do what Palm has already accomplished in less than a year.Stop dicking around with Apple slaveware and Google 's multiple personality disorderware .
Go get a Pre or a Pixi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Palm's WebOS has had FULL multitasking for ALL apps since Summer 2009.
Go check out a Pre or Pixi on Sprint or a Pre +, Pixi + on Verizon.
All the "Oh look at the cool multitasking things we can do" on the latest 3Gs commercial?
WebOS had it out of the box last summer.Oh, and then there is the remarkably simple development platform (Web standards!
Yay!)  and the vibrant non-official apps catalog available in the free PreWare and WebOS Quick Install applications that work in perfect sync with the Official WebOS Catalog.
    (Palm has actually been helping the community integrate the sideline catalog, and encouraging mods and patches to the base WebOS setup.
Imagine that!
)For all the hype about Apple (and Droid)  NEITHER of them can yet do what Palm has already accomplished in less than a year.Stop dicking around with Apple slaveware and Google's multiple personality disorderware.
Go get a Pre or a Pixi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31445906</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1268308320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I'd say multitasking on the ipad is a dead on requirement.  This isn't the 1980's anymore, guys.  The cheapest generic Netbook will multitask.  Most smartphones will multitask.  Wristwatches will multitask.  Winders has had multitasking since... Oh, I dunno, 1993, or 1996 or 2000 depending on your definition of "multitask".  Still a long time ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say multitasking on the ipad is a dead on requirement .
This is n't the 1980 's anymore , guys .
The cheapest generic Netbook will multitask .
Most smartphones will multitask .
Wristwatches will multitask .
Winders has had multitasking since... Oh , I dunno , 1993 , or 1996 or 2000 depending on your definition of " multitask " .
Still a long time ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I'd say multitasking on the ipad is a dead on requirement.
This isn't the 1980's anymore, guys.
The cheapest generic Netbook will multitask.
Most smartphones will multitask.
Wristwatches will multitask.
Winders has had multitasking since... Oh, I dunno, 1993, or 1996 or 2000 depending on your definition of "multitask".
Still a long time ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441674</id>
	<title>Yah but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can it run linux?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can it run linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can it run linux?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443310</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>olddotter</author>
	<datestamp>1268299200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that the iPhone does run Apple apps in the back ground.  The OS has a number of things running to be able to receive a call, keep it touch with the tower, update the battery icon, the signal bars, etc.</p><p>Even though 3rd party apps can't run in the back ground, the iPhone is running several tasks all the time. Its just those task were all written by apple.</p><p>I haven't seen the N900, so I can't speak to the speed difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the iPhone does run Apple apps in the back ground .
The OS has a number of things running to be able to receive a call , keep it touch with the tower , update the battery icon , the signal bars , etc.Even though 3rd party apps ca n't run in the back ground , the iPhone is running several tasks all the time .
Its just those task were all written by apple.I have n't seen the N900 , so I ca n't speak to the speed difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the iPhone does run Apple apps in the back ground.
The OS has a number of things running to be able to receive a call, keep it touch with the tower, update the battery icon, the signal bars, etc.Even though 3rd party apps can't run in the back ground, the iPhone is running several tasks all the time.
Its just those task were all written by apple.I haven't seen the N900, so I can't speak to the speed difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441778</id>
	<title>Another feature Android will steal, no doubt!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why Apple should sue the shit out of Google, because once iPhone OS 4 is available, Google will inevitably steal every single idea from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why Apple should sue the shit out of Google , because once iPhone OS 4 is available , Google will inevitably steal every single idea from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why Apple should sue the shit out of Google, because once iPhone OS 4 is available, Google will inevitably steal every single idea from it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441740</id>
	<title>Re:It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>Mekkah</author>
	<datestamp>1268337780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>YEAH! Why have a cell phone.. I think there are pay phone things somewhere... I saw one on Superman.</htmltext>
<tokenext>YEAH !
Why have a cell phone.. I think there are pay phone things somewhere... I saw one on Superman .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>YEAH!
Why have a cell phone.. I think there are pay phone things somewhere... I saw one on Superman.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31448770</id>
	<title>Re:Would be Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I don't see any reason why apps would suck the battery so much.  There are basically two such possible reasons:<br>1. Preventing the phone from going into Sleep mode (or waking it up too often).  This is why Longitude (Latitude updater for Jailbroken iPhones/iPods) recommends you use a 15 mins or larger update interval.  This is somewhat of a problem with apps that need to be "always on" and respond within 1 or 2 seconds.  (f.e. incoming calls in Skype).  I assume the normal phone app on the iPhone has hardware assistance in this regard.</p><p>2. Taking too much processor time (preventing processor sleep cycles) or memory.  This could be easily solved by saying that background daemons could take max 1\% processor time, or using something like Nice 10 on them.  The memory limit could be implemented as well.  For example, with something like Skype, the whole app doesn't need to run in the background, just the networking part.  The GUI could be loaded dynamically when needed.  The same thing is true of things like Longitude (It seems actually it works this way).</p><p>Even if the GUI is running the whole time, the OS knows which program is in the foreground, so it would be easy enough to have things like OpenGL calls, etc. turn into NOPs.</p><p>So if they implement multitasking for 3rd party apps officially, they could do one of two things:<br>a. Actually allow entire apps to run in the background.<br>b. Require developers to split the app into a GUI part and a Daemon part (which is good design anyway).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I do n't see any reason why apps would suck the battery so much .
There are basically two such possible reasons : 1 .
Preventing the phone from going into Sleep mode ( or waking it up too often ) .
This is why Longitude ( Latitude updater for Jailbroken iPhones/iPods ) recommends you use a 15 mins or larger update interval .
This is somewhat of a problem with apps that need to be " always on " and respond within 1 or 2 seconds .
( f.e. incoming calls in Skype ) .
I assume the normal phone app on the iPhone has hardware assistance in this regard.2 .
Taking too much processor time ( preventing processor sleep cycles ) or memory .
This could be easily solved by saying that background daemons could take max 1 \ % processor time , or using something like Nice 10 on them .
The memory limit could be implemented as well .
For example , with something like Skype , the whole app does n't need to run in the background , just the networking part .
The GUI could be loaded dynamically when needed .
The same thing is true of things like Longitude ( It seems actually it works this way ) .Even if the GUI is running the whole time , the OS knows which program is in the foreground , so it would be easy enough to have things like OpenGL calls , etc .
turn into NOPs.So if they implement multitasking for 3rd party apps officially , they could do one of two things : a. Actually allow entire apps to run in the background.b .
Require developers to split the app into a GUI part and a Daemon part ( which is good design anyway ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I don't see any reason why apps would suck the battery so much.
There are basically two such possible reasons:1.
Preventing the phone from going into Sleep mode (or waking it up too often).
This is why Longitude (Latitude updater for Jailbroken iPhones/iPods) recommends you use a 15 mins or larger update interval.
This is somewhat of a problem with apps that need to be "always on" and respond within 1 or 2 seconds.
(f.e. incoming calls in Skype).
I assume the normal phone app on the iPhone has hardware assistance in this regard.2.
Taking too much processor time (preventing processor sleep cycles) or memory.
This could be easily solved by saying that background daemons could take max 1\% processor time, or using something like Nice 10 on them.
The memory limit could be implemented as well.
For example, with something like Skype, the whole app doesn't need to run in the background, just the networking part.
The GUI could be loaded dynamically when needed.
The same thing is true of things like Longitude (It seems actually it works this way).Even if the GUI is running the whole time, the OS knows which program is in the foreground, so it would be easy enough to have things like OpenGL calls, etc.
turn into NOPs.So if they implement multitasking for 3rd party apps officially, they could do one of two things:a. Actually allow entire apps to run in the background.b.
Require developers to split the app into a GUI part and a Daemon part (which is good design anyway).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442102</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268339040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are real uses for multitasking, which the iPhone already does - like listening to iPod while surfing or the like.  Maybe chat as mentioned, but I also hope to set which apps can be multitasking - I don't trust the developers always to make the correct call - there is no reason to leave a game running in the background while I surf, it would be better to save state.</p></div><p>Good point.  The major reason that I look forward to multi-tasking is that I believe it to be a requirement for true VPN applications.  It would be nice to be able to use my iPhone to VPN through our firewall at work so that I can handle emergency systems admin tasks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are real uses for multitasking , which the iPhone already does - like listening to iPod while surfing or the like .
Maybe chat as mentioned , but I also hope to set which apps can be multitasking - I do n't trust the developers always to make the correct call - there is no reason to leave a game running in the background while I surf , it would be better to save state.Good point .
The major reason that I look forward to multi-tasking is that I believe it to be a requirement for true VPN applications .
It would be nice to be able to use my iPhone to VPN through our firewall at work so that I can handle emergency systems admin tasks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are real uses for multitasking, which the iPhone already does - like listening to iPod while surfing or the like.
Maybe chat as mentioned, but I also hope to set which apps can be multitasking - I don't trust the developers always to make the correct call - there is no reason to leave a game running in the background while I surf, it would be better to save state.Good point.
The major reason that I look forward to multi-tasking is that I believe it to be a requirement for true VPN applications.
It would be nice to be able to use my iPhone to VPN through our firewall at work so that I can handle emergency systems admin tasks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443332</id>
	<title>Re:Apologists</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1268299260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Insightful?  As something of an Apple fan, I never had the need for background apps, although I understand that being able to stream and play music in the background would be awfully nice for some people.  The idea struck me as a great way to drain the battery before lunchtime, and (aside from the music issue) all the suggestions I read as to why it would be useful struck me as great ways to drain the battery before breakfast was quite over.
</p><p>
It was never actually a bad idea, but app multitasking is considerably less important with rapid app switches, which the iPhone does have, and it does have its potential downsides.  It's a battery concern, a performance concern, and a security concern.  (My personal experience with malware was that there was a process left to run, and since this was my Linux box I hadn't bothered rebooting in several months.  Without non-system background processes, that particular method of attack would have been useless (along with my Linux box, of course, which has significantly different requirements than my phone (yes, I am a Lisp fan)).)
</p><p>
Presumably, Apple has some good ideas on how to implement it currently, and the more recent iPhones are more powerful than the older ones, so that'll help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Insightful ?
As something of an Apple fan , I never had the need for background apps , although I understand that being able to stream and play music in the background would be awfully nice for some people .
The idea struck me as a great way to drain the battery before lunchtime , and ( aside from the music issue ) all the suggestions I read as to why it would be useful struck me as great ways to drain the battery before breakfast was quite over .
It was never actually a bad idea , but app multitasking is considerably less important with rapid app switches , which the iPhone does have , and it does have its potential downsides .
It 's a battery concern , a performance concern , and a security concern .
( My personal experience with malware was that there was a process left to run , and since this was my Linux box I had n't bothered rebooting in several months .
Without non-system background processes , that particular method of attack would have been useless ( along with my Linux box , of course , which has significantly different requirements than my phone ( yes , I am a Lisp fan ) ) .
) Presumably , Apple has some good ideas on how to implement it currently , and the more recent iPhones are more powerful than the older ones , so that 'll help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Insightful?
As something of an Apple fan, I never had the need for background apps, although I understand that being able to stream and play music in the background would be awfully nice for some people.
The idea struck me as a great way to drain the battery before lunchtime, and (aside from the music issue) all the suggestions I read as to why it would be useful struck me as great ways to drain the battery before breakfast was quite over.
It was never actually a bad idea, but app multitasking is considerably less important with rapid app switches, which the iPhone does have, and it does have its potential downsides.
It's a battery concern, a performance concern, and a security concern.
(My personal experience with malware was that there was a process left to run, and since this was my Linux box I hadn't bothered rebooting in several months.
Without non-system background processes, that particular method of attack would have been useless (along with my Linux box, of course, which has significantly different requirements than my phone (yes, I am a Lisp fan)).
)

Presumably, Apple has some good ideas on how to implement it currently, and the more recent iPhones are more powerful than the older ones, so that'll help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442242</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>Ma8thew</author>
	<datestamp>1268339460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just as it took till 3.0 for Apple to introduce copy and paste, it will take them till 4.0 to introduce multitasking for exactly the same reason. They want to do it right. Copy and paste on the iPhone is intuitive and easy, but they didn't figure out how to do it in such a great way immediately. Rest assured, Apple won't do multitasking like Android, you won't need a task manager. Whatever form it takes, Apple will err on the side of making it limiting but easy to use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as it took till 3.0 for Apple to introduce copy and paste , it will take them till 4.0 to introduce multitasking for exactly the same reason .
They want to do it right .
Copy and paste on the iPhone is intuitive and easy , but they did n't figure out how to do it in such a great way immediately .
Rest assured , Apple wo n't do multitasking like Android , you wo n't need a task manager .
Whatever form it takes , Apple will err on the side of making it limiting but easy to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as it took till 3.0 for Apple to introduce copy and paste, it will take them till 4.0 to introduce multitasking for exactly the same reason.
They want to do it right.
Copy and paste on the iPhone is intuitive and easy, but they didn't figure out how to do it in such a great way immediately.
Rest assured, Apple won't do multitasking like Android, you won't need a task manager.
Whatever form it takes, Apple will err on the side of making it limiting but easy to use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442746</id>
	<title>Re:Yah but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268340780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It can, but Apple won't let you becasue they don't see the need for you to use the device how you want. It is all about what Apple wants.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It can , but Apple wo n't let you becasue they do n't see the need for you to use the device how you want .
It is all about what Apple wants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can, but Apple won't let you becasue they don't see the need for you to use the device how you want.
It is all about what Apple wants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441982</id>
	<title>Thank God</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess we should thank god that our overlords at Apple didn't release the first version of iPhone with a DOS/BASIC prompt!</p><p>Multitasking comes now -- what's next? Multiple windows?? Hallelujah!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess we should thank god that our overlords at Apple did n't release the first version of iPhone with a DOS/BASIC prompt ! Multitasking comes now -- what 's next ?
Multiple windows ? ?
Hallelujah ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess we should thank god that our overlords at Apple didn't release the first version of iPhone with a DOS/BASIC prompt!Multitasking comes now -- what's next?
Multiple windows??
Hallelujah!!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31450672</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268403660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I'm listening to Pandora Radio, I'd like to be able to check email, surf the web, send a txt, etc. Currently I cannot do that with an iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm listening to Pandora Radio , I 'd like to be able to check email , surf the web , send a txt , etc .
Currently I can not do that with an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm listening to Pandora Radio, I'd like to be able to check email, surf the web, send a txt, etc.
Currently I cannot do that with an iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443462</id>
	<title>A thought about current app code...</title>
	<author>jackpot777</author>
	<datestamp>1268299500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How many of the current apps will need updates because the programmers forgot the simplest of lines of code...

close();<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of the current apps will need updates because the programmers forgot the simplest of lines of code.. . close ( ) ; ... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of the current apps will need updates because the programmers forgot the simplest of lines of code...

close(); ...?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441664</id>
	<title>ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this would be AWESOME for the ipad, might even make it worthwhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this would be AWESOME for the ipad , might even make it worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this would be AWESOME for the ipad, might even make it worthwhile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441726</id>
	<title>real chat client</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These kind of apps make me laugh. You've got a phone with SMS &amp; web browsing capabilities, and you want a chat client?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These kind of apps make me laugh .
You 've got a phone with SMS &amp; web browsing capabilities , and you want a chat client ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These kind of apps make me laugh.
You've got a phone with SMS &amp; web browsing capabilities, and you want a chat client?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447194</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268314860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds a lot like Android, I must say...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds a lot like Android , I must say.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds a lot like Android, I must say...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441752</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441686</id>
	<title>i'll believe it when i see it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think i've heard this before...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think i 've heard this before.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think i've heard this before...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443108</id>
	<title>Re:not sure why</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268298600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PS:  I think there's a difference between multi-tasking and a windowed interface that might be part of your issue with it, if I read your post correctly.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The stated use is to allow a chat window to be always present.</p> </div><p>That's not entirely accurate.  The intended use of multitasking is to have a chat </p><p><div class="quote"><p>application</p></div><p> always running (eg. logged into an instant messenger server, able to receive a message and notify you in real time).  Not actually visible at all times, but running in the background.</p><p>All actual applications would still run in full-screen.</p><p>You'd be able to, say, continue talking on the phone while you switched over to the IM app and replied to the instant message you just received.</p><p>Or go check something on the Web while in the middle of an IM conversation but still receive the messages from the person on the other end while you are surfing (you'd just have to switch back to the IM application to read and reply).</p><p>Or click/select the URL you just got over IM and check out the YouTube video they wanted you to see, without losing the connection to the IM server so you can continue your conversation as soon as the video is done.</p><p>Or surf to a web site that does streaming music, and then go back to another application and leave that music running while you work on a document, or chat on IM, or whatever.</p><p>Sure, it's not useful for everyone, but for those of us who like it the lack of it is a deal-breaker.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>PS : I think there 's a difference between multi-tasking and a windowed interface that might be part of your issue with it , if I read your post correctly.The stated use is to allow a chat window to be always present .
That 's not entirely accurate .
The intended use of multitasking is to have a chat application always running ( eg .
logged into an instant messenger server , able to receive a message and notify you in real time ) .
Not actually visible at all times , but running in the background.All actual applications would still run in full-screen.You 'd be able to , say , continue talking on the phone while you switched over to the IM app and replied to the instant message you just received.Or go check something on the Web while in the middle of an IM conversation but still receive the messages from the person on the other end while you are surfing ( you 'd just have to switch back to the IM application to read and reply ) .Or click/select the URL you just got over IM and check out the YouTube video they wanted you to see , without losing the connection to the IM server so you can continue your conversation as soon as the video is done.Or surf to a web site that does streaming music , and then go back to another application and leave that music running while you work on a document , or chat on IM , or whatever.Sure , it 's not useful for everyone , but for those of us who like it the lack of it is a deal-breaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PS:  I think there's a difference between multi-tasking and a windowed interface that might be part of your issue with it, if I read your post correctly.The stated use is to allow a chat window to be always present.
That's not entirely accurate.
The intended use of multitasking is to have a chat application always running (eg.
logged into an instant messenger server, able to receive a message and notify you in real time).
Not actually visible at all times, but running in the background.All actual applications would still run in full-screen.You'd be able to, say, continue talking on the phone while you switched over to the IM app and replied to the instant message you just received.Or go check something on the Web while in the middle of an IM conversation but still receive the messages from the person on the other end while you are surfing (you'd just have to switch back to the IM application to read and reply).Or click/select the URL you just got over IM and check out the YouTube video they wanted you to see, without losing the connection to the IM server so you can continue your conversation as soon as the video is done.Or surf to a web site that does streaming music, and then go back to another application and leave that music running while you work on a document, or chat on IM, or whatever.Sure, it's not useful for everyone, but for those of us who like it the lack of it is a deal-breaker.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444092</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268301420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's not a large difference, but keep in mind the hardware is identical and the iPhone has NO applications running in the background.</i></p><p>So why are you comparing a working Nokia phone, with an iPhone that you never powered on?</p><p>Because powering it off is the only way to NOT have background apps running, and has been that way since version 1 of the firmware...</p><p>Well, either way that is probably why the iPhone felt so sluggish..  You should try powering it on, it will process commands a bit faster that way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a large difference , but keep in mind the hardware is identical and the iPhone has NO applications running in the background.So why are you comparing a working Nokia phone , with an iPhone that you never powered on ? Because powering it off is the only way to NOT have background apps running , and has been that way since version 1 of the firmware...Well , either way that is probably why the iPhone felt so sluggish.. You should try powering it on , it will process commands a bit faster that way : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a large difference, but keep in mind the hardware is identical and the iPhone has NO applications running in the background.So why are you comparing a working Nokia phone, with an iPhone that you never powered on?Because powering it off is the only way to NOT have background apps running, and has been that way since version 1 of the firmware...Well, either way that is probably why the iPhone felt so sluggish..  You should try powering it on, it will process commands a bit faster that way :P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442010</id>
	<title>Re:Streaming music player + other app</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>jailbroken iPhones can run pandora streaming in the background while doing other stuff (including email, web, etc)... the same as the iPod background mode.  Honestly that was my number one reason to jailbreak.</htmltext>
<tokenext>jailbroken iPhones can run pandora streaming in the background while doing other stuff ( including email , web , etc ) ... the same as the iPod background mode .
Honestly that was my number one reason to jailbreak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jailbroken iPhones can run pandora streaming in the background while doing other stuff (including email, web, etc)... the same as the iPod background mode.
Honestly that was my number one reason to jailbreak.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441752</id>
	<title>I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1268337840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are real uses for multitasking, which the iPhone already does - like listening to iPod while surfing or the like.  Maybe chat as mentioned, but I also hope to set which apps can be multitasking - I don't trust the developers always to make the correct call - there is no reason to leave a game running in the background while I surf, it would be better to save state.  I would actually say saving state and resuming again is better the vast majority of times over running in the background.</p><p>But oftentimes I try to hang up the phone by hitting the home button instead of the end call button (even though I think I did), and while surfing, I still see that "Return to Call" blinking on top.</p><p>To conserve battery life, I already turned off push notifications and other things.  And I would turn off multitasking for my parents phones, they hardly can use a computer as it.  With this, they'll only be wondering why the phone battery is dying even faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are real uses for multitasking , which the iPhone already does - like listening to iPod while surfing or the like .
Maybe chat as mentioned , but I also hope to set which apps can be multitasking - I do n't trust the developers always to make the correct call - there is no reason to leave a game running in the background while I surf , it would be better to save state .
I would actually say saving state and resuming again is better the vast majority of times over running in the background.But oftentimes I try to hang up the phone by hitting the home button instead of the end call button ( even though I think I did ) , and while surfing , I still see that " Return to Call " blinking on top.To conserve battery life , I already turned off push notifications and other things .
And I would turn off multitasking for my parents phones , they hardly can use a computer as it .
With this , they 'll only be wondering why the phone battery is dying even faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are real uses for multitasking, which the iPhone already does - like listening to iPod while surfing or the like.
Maybe chat as mentioned, but I also hope to set which apps can be multitasking - I don't trust the developers always to make the correct call - there is no reason to leave a game running in the background while I surf, it would be better to save state.
I would actually say saving state and resuming again is better the vast majority of times over running in the background.But oftentimes I try to hang up the phone by hitting the home button instead of the end call button (even though I think I did), and while surfing, I still see that "Return to Call" blinking on top.To conserve battery life, I already turned off push notifications and other things.
And I would turn off multitasking for my parents phones, they hardly can use a computer as it.
With this, they'll only be wondering why the phone battery is dying even faster.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449140</id>
	<title>Oh this is just great....</title>
	<author>nilbog</author>
	<datestamp>1268424660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh great<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... now I'm only going to have crappy 2-3 day battery life like every other multi-tasking phone I've ever owned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh great ... now I 'm only going to have crappy 2-3 day battery life like every other multi-tasking phone I 've ever owned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh great ... now I'm only going to have crappy 2-3 day battery life like every other multi-tasking phone I've ever owned.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31457682</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>EvilIdler</author>
	<datestamp>1268393040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the apps on my iPod touch start up nearly instantaneously (the worst still not taking more than 3 seconds to actually make things happen on the screen). It's slightly faster than an iPhone 3G and has the better 133MHz bus, but still it isn't that much more. 3GS devices are MUCH faster, and start even heavier apps instantly.</p><p>Still, some multitasking would be interesting. Since most apps are geared towards one purpose (they are all more like widgets) it would be nice to have both IRC and IM apps, as well as Skype, you could switch between.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the apps on my iPod touch start up nearly instantaneously ( the worst still not taking more than 3 seconds to actually make things happen on the screen ) .
It 's slightly faster than an iPhone 3G and has the better 133MHz bus , but still it is n't that much more .
3GS devices are MUCH faster , and start even heavier apps instantly.Still , some multitasking would be interesting .
Since most apps are geared towards one purpose ( they are all more like widgets ) it would be nice to have both IRC and IM apps , as well as Skype , you could switch between .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the apps on my iPod touch start up nearly instantaneously (the worst still not taking more than 3 seconds to actually make things happen on the screen).
It's slightly faster than an iPhone 3G and has the better 133MHz bus, but still it isn't that much more.
3GS devices are MUCH faster, and start even heavier apps instantly.Still, some multitasking would be interesting.
Since most apps are geared towards one purpose (they are all more like widgets) it would be nice to have both IRC and IM apps, as well as Skype, you could switch between.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31446384</id>
	<title>How about bytecode interpretation</title>
	<author>caywen</author>
	<datestamp>1268310420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think Apple should use a bytecode execution engine and explicitly timeslice jobs. They could modify LUA or Python, providing bindings to a limited, safe set of native API calls (or safe wrappers to them).</p><p>Then, iPhone app developers would have the option of providing an explicit LUA/Python/whatever script as part of their app. The only promise Apple would make is that the script would not be guaranteed to run quickly.</p><p>The scheduling could be something simple like this:<br>- Give each script its own small heap, stack, and VM state<br>- For each script, execute its bytecode for up to 20 milliseconds (or some dynamic value based on load)<br>- After all scripts have executed their timeslice, sleep for 1 second.<br>- Start again</p><p>Having a ton of background processes from a ton of different apps could cause starvation, but that would happen in a much worse way with unconstrained multitasking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Apple should use a bytecode execution engine and explicitly timeslice jobs .
They could modify LUA or Python , providing bindings to a limited , safe set of native API calls ( or safe wrappers to them ) .Then , iPhone app developers would have the option of providing an explicit LUA/Python/whatever script as part of their app .
The only promise Apple would make is that the script would not be guaranteed to run quickly.The scheduling could be something simple like this : - Give each script its own small heap , stack , and VM state- For each script , execute its bytecode for up to 20 milliseconds ( or some dynamic value based on load ) - After all scripts have executed their timeslice , sleep for 1 second.- Start againHaving a ton of background processes from a ton of different apps could cause starvation , but that would happen in a much worse way with unconstrained multitasking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Apple should use a bytecode execution engine and explicitly timeslice jobs.
They could modify LUA or Python, providing bindings to a limited, safe set of native API calls (or safe wrappers to them).Then, iPhone app developers would have the option of providing an explicit LUA/Python/whatever script as part of their app.
The only promise Apple would make is that the script would not be guaranteed to run quickly.The scheduling could be something simple like this:- Give each script its own small heap, stack, and VM state- For each script, execute its bytecode for up to 20 milliseconds (or some dynamic value based on load)- After all scripts have executed their timeslice, sleep for 1 second.- Start againHaving a ton of background processes from a ton of different apps could cause starvation, but that would happen in a much worse way with unconstrained multitasking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449690</id>
	<title>Re:Another feature Android will steal, no doubt!</title>
	<author>mutu310</author>
	<datestamp>1268390760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope you're joking, because Android already has multitasking. It's more of a case of it working vice versa.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope you 're joking , because Android already has multitasking .
It 's more of a case of it working vice versa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope you're joking, because Android already has multitasking.
It's more of a case of it working vice versa.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441778</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441714</id>
	<title>Battery Life</title>
	<author>mingbrasil</author>
	<datestamp>1268337660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can really use iPhone for more than 3 hours for an heavy user, magine with multitasking....</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can really use iPhone for more than 3 hours for an heavy user , magine with multitasking... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can really use iPhone for more than 3 hours for an heavy user, magine with multitasking....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443238</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>Vectormatic</author>
	<datestamp>1268298960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the only mod i get is overrated, on a non-modded post... GO MODS GO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the only mod i get is overrated , on a non-modded post... GO MODS GO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the only mod i get is overrated, on a non-modded post... GO MODS GO</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444062</id>
	<title>iPad on the side</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268301360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now there are 2 tasks.  You have multitasking; steve jobs' style</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now there are 2 tasks .
You have multitasking ; steve jobs ' style</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now there are 2 tasks.
You have multitasking; steve jobs' style</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443616</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>infaustus</author>
	<datestamp>1268299980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Over and underrated mods don't get metamodded, so they're a safe way to be an asshole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Over and underrated mods do n't get metamodded , so they 're a safe way to be an asshole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over and underrated mods don't get metamodded, so they're a safe way to be an asshole.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442852</id>
	<title>Welcome to 2005 and the Nokia N770</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268341080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple, Welcome to 2005 and the Nokia N770 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia\_770\_Internet\_Tablet" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia\_770\_Internet\_Tablet</a> [wikipedia.org]. Way to go!</p><p>OTOH, I suppose you sold more iPhones **today** than all the 770s sold since they were released.</p><p>Disclosure: I have a $200 (new) Nokia N800 and routinely multitask email, music, podcost downloads and browsing while at home.<br>When on the driving I multitask GPS (maemo-mapper) and music/podcast playback.<br>When hiking, I run Maemo-mapper and GPSView to help find those geocaches.</p><p>The GPS stuff helps me to geotag my photos later. Scroogle "N800, photos, gps" for more information.<br>Best of all, no cell phone contract.</p><p>Someone asked about the best way to get a Nokia N900 in the USA. If best is cheapest over a 2yr life, then buy it unlocked from amazon and bring your GSM SIM card with you to the N900.</p><p>Again - Apple - welcome to the show. You should be commended on your innovative efforts!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple , Welcome to 2005 and the Nokia N770 http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia \ _770 \ _Internet \ _Tablet [ wikipedia.org ] .
Way to go ! OTOH , I suppose you sold more iPhones * * today * * than all the 770s sold since they were released.Disclosure : I have a $ 200 ( new ) Nokia N800 and routinely multitask email , music , podcost downloads and browsing while at home.When on the driving I multitask GPS ( maemo-mapper ) and music/podcast playback.When hiking , I run Maemo-mapper and GPSView to help find those geocaches.The GPS stuff helps me to geotag my photos later .
Scroogle " N800 , photos , gps " for more information.Best of all , no cell phone contract.Someone asked about the best way to get a Nokia N900 in the USA .
If best is cheapest over a 2yr life , then buy it unlocked from amazon and bring your GSM SIM card with you to the N900.Again - Apple - welcome to the show .
You should be commended on your innovative efforts !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple, Welcome to 2005 and the Nokia N770 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia\_770\_Internet\_Tablet [wikipedia.org].
Way to go!OTOH, I suppose you sold more iPhones **today** than all the 770s sold since they were released.Disclosure: I have a $200 (new) Nokia N800 and routinely multitask email, music, podcost downloads and browsing while at home.When on the driving I multitask GPS (maemo-mapper) and music/podcast playback.When hiking, I run Maemo-mapper and GPSView to help find those geocaches.The GPS stuff helps me to geotag my photos later.
Scroogle "N800, photos, gps" for more information.Best of all, no cell phone contract.Someone asked about the best way to get a Nokia N900 in the USA.
If best is cheapest over a 2yr life, then buy it unlocked from amazon and bring your GSM SIM card with you to the N900.Again - Apple - welcome to the show.
You should be commended on your innovative efforts!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31448406</id>
	<title>mod parent up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod parent up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod parent up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod parent up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443264</id>
	<title>Newton / Android style would be good.</title>
	<author>DdJ</author>
	<datestamp>1268299080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the kind of background processing that the Newton used, which has some things in common with what Android does (specifically Android "services"), would be awesome.  The main problem is that developers are really not used to working this way.</p><p>Basically, you have your main app, and it runs when it's in the foreground, and that's it.  But you also have these other chunks of code that the app can register with the system.  On the Newton you could attach that code to the OS-level alarm mechanism ("when this alarm that I just asked the system service to execute for me at that timestamp fires, don't show a dialog box or play a sound, run this bytecode instead").  On Android, it can be a daemon-like thing that actually runs in the background (eg. to play streaming music).</p><p>The fundamental idea is that the whole <em>app</em> isn't doing background processing -- instead you break of <em>very small pieces</em> and <em>those</em> run in the background, under much more severe constraints.  (The distinction between cron-like and daemon-like isn't really critical here.  The developer still has to be trained to break their app up into distinct pieces with different constraints, instead of having one big app.)</p><p>This is simply not the architecture a lot of developers are used to (though Unix folk have a head start).  But it's a way to provide actual real usable multitasking on a device like this without crushing the memory and battery usage (<em>especially</em> if you use the alarm-based method and your apps can schedule the alarms far apart; for some apps this is more than adequate).</p><p>Some programmers would certainly yell if they had to jump through that kind of hoop.  But something like that could very well be the best compromise on these devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the kind of background processing that the Newton used , which has some things in common with what Android does ( specifically Android " services " ) , would be awesome .
The main problem is that developers are really not used to working this way.Basically , you have your main app , and it runs when it 's in the foreground , and that 's it .
But you also have these other chunks of code that the app can register with the system .
On the Newton you could attach that code to the OS-level alarm mechanism ( " when this alarm that I just asked the system service to execute for me at that timestamp fires , do n't show a dialog box or play a sound , run this bytecode instead " ) .
On Android , it can be a daemon-like thing that actually runs in the background ( eg .
to play streaming music ) .The fundamental idea is that the whole app is n't doing background processing -- instead you break of very small pieces and those run in the background , under much more severe constraints .
( The distinction between cron-like and daemon-like is n't really critical here .
The developer still has to be trained to break their app up into distinct pieces with different constraints , instead of having one big app .
) This is simply not the architecture a lot of developers are used to ( though Unix folk have a head start ) .
But it 's a way to provide actual real usable multitasking on a device like this without crushing the memory and battery usage ( especially if you use the alarm-based method and your apps can schedule the alarms far apart ; for some apps this is more than adequate ) .Some programmers would certainly yell if they had to jump through that kind of hoop .
But something like that could very well be the best compromise on these devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the kind of background processing that the Newton used, which has some things in common with what Android does (specifically Android "services"), would be awesome.
The main problem is that developers are really not used to working this way.Basically, you have your main app, and it runs when it's in the foreground, and that's it.
But you also have these other chunks of code that the app can register with the system.
On the Newton you could attach that code to the OS-level alarm mechanism ("when this alarm that I just asked the system service to execute for me at that timestamp fires, don't show a dialog box or play a sound, run this bytecode instead").
On Android, it can be a daemon-like thing that actually runs in the background (eg.
to play streaming music).The fundamental idea is that the whole app isn't doing background processing -- instead you break of very small pieces and those run in the background, under much more severe constraints.
(The distinction between cron-like and daemon-like isn't really critical here.
The developer still has to be trained to break their app up into distinct pieces with different constraints, instead of having one big app.
)This is simply not the architecture a lot of developers are used to (though Unix folk have a head start).
But it's a way to provide actual real usable multitasking on a device like this without crushing the memory and battery usage (especially if you use the alarm-based method and your apps can schedule the alarms far apart; for some apps this is more than adequate).Some programmers would certainly yell if they had to jump through that kind of hoop.
But something like that could very well be the best compromise on these devices.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441808</id>
	<title>Existing Apps?</title>
	<author>hemlock00</author>
	<datestamp>1268338080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>At one point when looking into developing an Application for the iphone, one of the requirements for *all* apps is that it had to be able to close with in a small time window upon hitting the home button as to kill any chance of running more than 1 app at a time.

The reason for this, as I read it, was to avoid having a ton of applications running (w/o the user aware) and killing battery time and other software conflicts.  I'm not really sure thats a bad thing. I can remember with my blackberry, If I got a call while in an application I may forget and before I knew it--dead battery. Since it's a phone first and a app platform 2nd, multitasking might not be the best thing for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At one point when looking into developing an Application for the iphone , one of the requirements for * all * apps is that it had to be able to close with in a small time window upon hitting the home button as to kill any chance of running more than 1 app at a time .
The reason for this , as I read it , was to avoid having a ton of applications running ( w/o the user aware ) and killing battery time and other software conflicts .
I 'm not really sure thats a bad thing .
I can remember with my blackberry , If I got a call while in an application I may forget and before I knew it--dead battery .
Since it 's a phone first and a app platform 2nd , multitasking might not be the best thing for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At one point when looking into developing an Application for the iphone, one of the requirements for *all* apps is that it had to be able to close with in a small time window upon hitting the home button as to kill any chance of running more than 1 app at a time.
The reason for this, as I read it, was to avoid having a ton of applications running (w/o the user aware) and killing battery time and other software conflicts.
I'm not really sure thats a bad thing.
I can remember with my blackberry, If I got a call while in an application I may forget and before I knew it--dead battery.
Since it's a phone first and a app platform 2nd, multitasking might not be the best thing for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31448578</id>
	<title>Re:not sure why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268328180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No body said the background apps had to always be DISPLAYED... just that they had to always RUN.  If the chat program is always running in the background (invisibly), then when you get a message, it can beep or pop something up immediately.</p><p>Unlike the notifications, which aren't always reliable or timely, if the application is running in the background, it could let you know right away of an incoming message or phone call.  What's more, when you get a notification and the program has to open, it can take considerable time.  f.e. both Fring and Skype take considerable time to open and sign in.  If they can run in the background, then they can come to the foreground immediately when needed.</p><p>Also, anything that does recording of location, etc., needs to have at least some small component running in the background.  As for the OS, I run OS 3.1 (jailbroken) on an iPod 1g, it works fine...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No body said the background apps had to always be DISPLAYED... just that they had to always RUN .
If the chat program is always running in the background ( invisibly ) , then when you get a message , it can beep or pop something up immediately.Unlike the notifications , which are n't always reliable or timely , if the application is running in the background , it could let you know right away of an incoming message or phone call .
What 's more , when you get a notification and the program has to open , it can take considerable time .
f.e. both Fring and Skype take considerable time to open and sign in .
If they can run in the background , then they can come to the foreground immediately when needed.Also , anything that does recording of location , etc. , needs to have at least some small component running in the background .
As for the OS , I run OS 3.1 ( jailbroken ) on an iPod 1g , it works fine.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No body said the background apps had to always be DISPLAYED... just that they had to always RUN.
If the chat program is always running in the background (invisibly), then when you get a message, it can beep or pop something up immediately.Unlike the notifications, which aren't always reliable or timely, if the application is running in the background, it could let you know right away of an incoming message or phone call.
What's more, when you get a notification and the program has to open, it can take considerable time.
f.e. both Fring and Skype take considerable time to open and sign in.
If they can run in the background, then they can come to the foreground immediately when needed.Also, anything that does recording of location, etc., needs to have at least some small component running in the background.
As for the OS, I run OS 3.1 (jailbroken) on an iPod 1g, it works fine...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442152</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442988</id>
	<title>Re:It's already been there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268298240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For some time now, I have been able to listen to music and browse the web, text, chat, etc. by just switching apps.</p></div><p>
Uh, you do know you can do that with a non-jailbroken iPhone, right? You didn't mention anything that a stock iPhone is incapable of doing so, if that's why you jailbroke your iPhone, you wasted your time... If there are other apps that you're running with backgrounder, fine, but that was a bad list of example tasks given the iPhone can do that out of the gate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some time now , I have been able to listen to music and browse the web , text , chat , etc .
by just switching apps .
Uh , you do know you can do that with a non-jailbroken iPhone , right ?
You did n't mention anything that a stock iPhone is incapable of doing so , if that 's why you jailbroke your iPhone , you wasted your time... If there are other apps that you 're running with backgrounder , fine , but that was a bad list of example tasks given the iPhone can do that out of the gate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some time now, I have been able to listen to music and browse the web, text, chat, etc.
by just switching apps.
Uh, you do know you can do that with a non-jailbroken iPhone, right?
You didn't mention anything that a stock iPhone is incapable of doing so, if that's why you jailbroke your iPhone, you wasted your time... If there are other apps that you're running with backgrounder, fine, but that was a bad list of example tasks given the iPhone can do that out of the gate.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441948</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444236</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1268301840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps, nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone.</p></div><p>Over a million people are hardly nobody.</p><p>I don't recal the exact date OS 3.0 was released, but advanced iPhone users have had backgrounding of all apps ever since then.   Backgrounder.app plus one of the better multitasking GUI apps from cydia or rock.</p><p>Works pretty well.  Since there is no native Google Latitude app currently (It's a web-app sorta, or at least a safari-app), and leaving Safari running in the background does update my location info in google maps for my friends to see, and this works while using the iPod app for music and other normal phone interruptions...</p><p>I do kinda agree on the sluggishness, but to be honest I was expecting worse when Apple claimed iPhone would be using a stripped down OS X.<br>But to say no one has done a thing that over a million iPhone users have access to and a percentage of are actively using is being dishonest.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps , nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone.Over a million people are hardly nobody.I do n't recal the exact date OS 3.0 was released , but advanced iPhone users have had backgrounding of all apps ever since then .
Backgrounder.app plus one of the better multitasking GUI apps from cydia or rock.Works pretty well .
Since there is no native Google Latitude app currently ( It 's a web-app sorta , or at least a safari-app ) , and leaving Safari running in the background does update my location info in google maps for my friends to see , and this works while using the iPod app for music and other normal phone interruptions...I do kinda agree on the sluggishness , but to be honest I was expecting worse when Apple claimed iPhone would be using a stripped down OS X.But to say no one has done a thing that over a million iPhone users have access to and a percentage of are actively using is being dishonest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps, nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone.Over a million people are hardly nobody.I don't recal the exact date OS 3.0 was released, but advanced iPhone users have had backgrounding of all apps ever since then.
Backgrounder.app plus one of the better multitasking GUI apps from cydia or rock.Works pretty well.
Since there is no native Google Latitude app currently (It's a web-app sorta, or at least a safari-app), and leaving Safari running in the background does update my location info in google maps for my friends to see, and this works while using the iPod app for music and other normal phone interruptions...I do kinda agree on the sluggishness, but to be honest I was expecting worse when Apple claimed iPhone would be using a stripped down OS X.But to say no one has done a thing that over a million iPhone users have access to and a percentage of are actively using is being dishonest.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442912</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>trentblase</author>
	<datestamp>1268298000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try using the sleep button to end the call.  I often hit it instinctively to turn off the screen during a call, and it hangs up on the person I'm talking to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try using the sleep button to end the call .
I often hit it instinctively to turn off the screen during a call , and it hangs up on the person I 'm talking to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try using the sleep button to end the call.
I often hit it instinctively to turn off the screen during a call, and it hangs up on the person I'm talking to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441752</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31454078</id>
	<title>semi-background apps</title>
	<author>JoshuaJ</author>
	<datestamp>1268420940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are a few apps that don't need much more than the very basic notification system that the iPhone already uses. Then, there are a few apps (like music players) that absolutely require full-fledged multitasking. (It'll be nice to finally be able to listen to pandora while checking my email.)

But there are a lot of apps that could get by with something in between: a more robust notification system that lets the app register for notifications from the OS when certain conditions are met (example: notify when a phone call comes in, or when the phone enters a geographic area, or connects to a particular wifi network), and run arbitrary code when that happens. This can give the best of both worlds: an app that runs whenever it needs to, but can't waste battery power the rest of the time, even by accident. I wish there were an API that allowed developers to do this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a few apps that do n't need much more than the very basic notification system that the iPhone already uses .
Then , there are a few apps ( like music players ) that absolutely require full-fledged multitasking .
( It 'll be nice to finally be able to listen to pandora while checking my email .
) But there are a lot of apps that could get by with something in between : a more robust notification system that lets the app register for notifications from the OS when certain conditions are met ( example : notify when a phone call comes in , or when the phone enters a geographic area , or connects to a particular wifi network ) , and run arbitrary code when that happens .
This can give the best of both worlds : an app that runs whenever it needs to , but ca n't waste battery power the rest of the time , even by accident .
I wish there were an API that allowed developers to do this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a few apps that don't need much more than the very basic notification system that the iPhone already uses.
Then, there are a few apps (like music players) that absolutely require full-fledged multitasking.
(It'll be nice to finally be able to listen to pandora while checking my email.
)

But there are a lot of apps that could get by with something in between: a more robust notification system that lets the app register for notifications from the OS when certain conditions are met (example: notify when a phone call comes in, or when the phone enters a geographic area, or connects to a particular wifi network), and run arbitrary code when that happens.
This can give the best of both worlds: an app that runs whenever it needs to, but can't waste battery power the rest of the time, even by accident.
I wish there were an API that allowed developers to do this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449188</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>macs4all</author>
	<datestamp>1268425380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's another thing people don't stop to think about: In a "multitasking" OS (which the iPhone/iPad OS already is!), or more specifically, when "applications" are allowed to "multitask", such as in the desktop version of OS X, I cannot tell you how many times I have looked at the Dock on people's Macs, only to see virtually EVERY application up and running (but with no open windows). An amusing "cluck-cluck" moment in a desktop OS, but, running on extremely low-end (by today's desktop standards) hardware (like a phone), this "app cruft" would probably slow the response of the UI to an unusable crawl (does the iPhone OS even HAVE "virtual memory"?).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's another thing people do n't stop to think about : In a " multitasking " OS ( which the iPhone/iPad OS already is !
) , or more specifically , when " applications " are allowed to " multitask " , such as in the desktop version of OS X , I can not tell you how many times I have looked at the Dock on people 's Macs , only to see virtually EVERY application up and running ( but with no open windows ) .
An amusing " cluck-cluck " moment in a desktop OS , but , running on extremely low-end ( by today 's desktop standards ) hardware ( like a phone ) , this " app cruft " would probably slow the response of the UI to an unusable crawl ( does the iPhone OS even HAVE " virtual memory " ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's another thing people don't stop to think about: In a "multitasking" OS (which the iPhone/iPad OS already is!
), or more specifically, when "applications" are allowed to "multitask", such as in the desktop version of OS X, I cannot tell you how many times I have looked at the Dock on people's Macs, only to see virtually EVERY application up and running (but with no open windows).
An amusing "cluck-cluck" moment in a desktop OS, but, running on extremely low-end (by today's desktop standards) hardware (like a phone), this "app cruft" would probably slow the response of the UI to an unusable crawl (does the iPhone OS even HAVE "virtual memory"?
).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443326</id>
	<title>Re:Apologists</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1268299260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I look forward to seeing someone on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. explain how totally awesome multitasking is on a smartphone, and how cool Apple is for having invented it, and how uncool everyone else is for copying it. Wanna make bets on how long that would take? I'd say a year, tops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I look forward to seeing someone on / .
explain how totally awesome multitasking is on a smartphone , and how cool Apple is for having invented it , and how uncool everyone else is for copying it .
Wan na make bets on how long that would take ?
I 'd say a year , tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I look forward to seeing someone on /.
explain how totally awesome multitasking is on a smartphone, and how cool Apple is for having invented it, and how uncool everyone else is for copying it.
Wanna make bets on how long that would take?
I'd say a year, tops.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442446</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31457020</id>
	<title>can it</title>
	<author>aminorex</author>
	<datestamp>1268390280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>can it tether?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>can it tether ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can it tether?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447742</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1268319060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it may be an option that you have to turn on in the settings. Kinda like the caps lock feature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it may be an option that you have to turn on in the settings .
Kinda like the caps lock feature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it may be an option that you have to turn on in the settings.
Kinda like the caps lock feature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441940</id>
	<title>Would be Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But if they do allow multitasking, I hope Apple becomes MORE restrictive on what they let on the App store.  I don't want crap apps sucking my battery down.</p><p>As a developer concerned with power usage I would like more access to tell the OS things like how often I need a GPS location update.  You can tell the API to update your app when you have moved x distance, but that implies the OS is watching movement constantly and only updates you every so often.  I'd also like to shut down such resources when on a screen that doesn't need them, if I can quickly bring them back up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if they do allow multitasking , I hope Apple becomes MORE restrictive on what they let on the App store .
I do n't want crap apps sucking my battery down.As a developer concerned with power usage I would like more access to tell the OS things like how often I need a GPS location update .
You can tell the API to update your app when you have moved x distance , but that implies the OS is watching movement constantly and only updates you every so often .
I 'd also like to shut down such resources when on a screen that does n't need them , if I can quickly bring them back up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if they do allow multitasking, I hope Apple becomes MORE restrictive on what they let on the App store.
I don't want crap apps sucking my battery down.As a developer concerned with power usage I would like more access to tell the OS things like how often I need a GPS location update.
You can tell the API to update your app when you have moved x distance, but that implies the OS is watching movement constantly and only updates you every so often.
I'd also like to shut down such resources when on a screen that doesn't need them, if I can quickly bring them back up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31462168</id>
	<title>Re:i'll believe it when i see it</title>
	<author>WillyDavidK</author>
	<datestamp>1268423580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's because it's old news</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because it 's old news</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because it's old news</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441686</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441746</id>
	<title>Streaming music player + other app</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1268337840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if I want to use a streaming music player and some other app at the same time? As it stands, current iPhone OS is capable of multitasking the built-in iPod software with other apps, but not streaming music with other apps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if I want to use a streaming music player and some other app at the same time ?
As it stands , current iPhone OS is capable of multitasking the built-in iPod software with other apps , but not streaming music with other apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if I want to use a streaming music player and some other app at the same time?
As it stands, current iPhone OS is capable of multitasking the built-in iPod software with other apps, but not streaming music with other apps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441694</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447642</id>
	<title>Re:Streaming music player + other app</title>
	<author>lupine</author>
	<datestamp>1268318220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The standard iphone os is capable of much more than it allows you to do. How do you think push email works? How do you think the phone app works?</p><p>I jailbroke my phone for the extra features, I could care less about the pirated apps. I have backgrounder installed which allows limited multitasking. I listen to public radio player(c89.5 seatle, 89.9 madison) which helps me get my groove on while I browse the web, use google reader, read email, whatever.</p><p>I also have adblock for the iphone and a small hosts file which combined with iphone's lack of flash filters out most ads.</p><p>Yes multi tasking it eats the battery faster but it is worth it. I have version 3.1.2 and used blackra1n(excellent).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The standard iphone os is capable of much more than it allows you to do .
How do you think push email works ?
How do you think the phone app works ? I jailbroke my phone for the extra features , I could care less about the pirated apps .
I have backgrounder installed which allows limited multitasking .
I listen to public radio player ( c89.5 seatle , 89.9 madison ) which helps me get my groove on while I browse the web , use google reader , read email , whatever.I also have adblock for the iphone and a small hosts file which combined with iphone 's lack of flash filters out most ads.Yes multi tasking it eats the battery faster but it is worth it .
I have version 3.1.2 and used blackra1n ( excellent ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The standard iphone os is capable of much more than it allows you to do.
How do you think push email works?
How do you think the phone app works?I jailbroke my phone for the extra features, I could care less about the pirated apps.
I have backgrounder installed which allows limited multitasking.
I listen to public radio player(c89.5 seatle, 89.9 madison) which helps me get my groove on while I browse the web, use google reader, read email, whatever.I also have adblock for the iphone and a small hosts file which combined with iphone's lack of flash filters out most ads.Yes multi tasking it eats the battery faster but it is worth it.
I have version 3.1.2 and used blackra1n(excellent).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449514</id>
	<title>Re:Thank God</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1268387880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could have that BASIC prompt, but sadly, Apple saw the Commodore 64 Emulator as a major threat to the future of the iPhone, and outlawed it. Works just dandy in Android.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could have that BASIC prompt , but sadly , Apple saw the Commodore 64 Emulator as a major threat to the future of the iPhone , and outlawed it .
Works just dandy in Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could have that BASIC prompt, but sadly, Apple saw the Commodore 64 Emulator as a major threat to the future of the iPhone, and outlawed it.
Works just dandy in Android.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441982</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31445670</id>
	<title>To Little To Late</title>
	<author>EEPROMS</author>
	<datestamp>1268307360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a hardware guy and after swapping from Nokia to the iPhone then to a HTC Magic my next update will be a <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/leaked-dell-mini-5-flyer-shows-multitude-of-color-options-confi/" title="engadget.com">Dell Mini 5</a> [engadget.com]. I really like android and it's openness and now that Android has near 40k apps the iPhone app store doesn't interest me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a hardware guy and after swapping from Nokia to the iPhone then to a HTC Magic my next update will be a Dell Mini 5 [ engadget.com ] .
I really like android and it 's openness and now that Android has near 40k apps the iPhone app store does n't interest me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a hardware guy and after swapping from Nokia to the iPhone then to a HTC Magic my next update will be a Dell Mini 5 [engadget.com].
I really like android and it's openness and now that Android has near 40k apps the iPhone app store doesn't interest me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31446604</id>
	<title>Some use cases</title>
	<author>caywen</author>
	<datestamp>1268311560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some use cases off the top of my head:<br>- Let me know when I've come into the vicinity of a historical landmark<br>- Synchronize my media from the cloud onto my device in the background (over, say, 3G)<br>- To always feel rich by knowing that I Am Rich is still running in the background.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some use cases off the top of my head : - Let me know when I 've come into the vicinity of a historical landmark- Synchronize my media from the cloud onto my device in the background ( over , say , 3G ) - To always feel rich by knowing that I Am Rich is still running in the background .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some use cases off the top of my head:- Let me know when I've come into the vicinity of a historical landmark- Synchronize my media from the cloud onto my device in the background (over, say, 3G)- To always feel rich by knowing that I Am Rich is still running in the background.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442054</id>
	<title>The don't really have a choice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Nokia N900 has multitasking and is fully open, I have root access without the need for a crack. And did anybody see the news about the latest MS OS for phones which can play 3D games?</p><p>The iPhone is crap and now they need to enable multitasking so it does not suck as much anymore or people might wake up and buy something better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Nokia N900 has multitasking and is fully open , I have root access without the need for a crack .
And did anybody see the news about the latest MS OS for phones which can play 3D games ? The iPhone is crap and now they need to enable multitasking so it does not suck as much anymore or people might wake up and buy something better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Nokia N900 has multitasking and is fully open, I have root access without the need for a crack.
And did anybody see the news about the latest MS OS for phones which can play 3D games?The iPhone is crap and now they need to enable multitasking so it does not suck as much anymore or people might wake up and buy something better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443652</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>Fatmiko1</author>
	<datestamp>1268300040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how about battery life?</htmltext>
<tokenext>how about battery life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about battery life?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442152</id>
	<title>not sure why</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1268339220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not sure why I want multitasking on the iPhone.  The stated use is to allow a chat window to be always present.  What would that look like though, a piece of my small screen dedicated to such an application?  Does this mean I have a small browser window.
<p>
In the old days, we had background processes that always had to run.  Now we have signals and the like that can awake idle processes so they do not have to run.  Then we had TSR applications, and similar items on the Mac, like the Talking Moose.  The former was created to solve the long start up time of applications on DOS and Windows.  Multiple windows and such were useful on the PC, with larger screens, but somewhat harder to use on the Mac.  The Mac seemed to launch applications faster, so I don't have a recollections of being annoyed that Finder was not multitasking.
</p><p>
Multitasking is a solution to solve some problem on the general computer.  I am not sure it is the right solution for a small screen mobile small battery device.  I would rather see innovative solutions rather than rehashing the same old thing.  I think there this might be a useful solution for the iPad.  My concern is that iPhone 4.0 is built for the next iPhone, and will make current iPhones harder to use.  This is what happened with iPhone 3.0, which does not run very well on the first generation iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not sure why I want multitasking on the iPhone .
The stated use is to allow a chat window to be always present .
What would that look like though , a piece of my small screen dedicated to such an application ?
Does this mean I have a small browser window .
In the old days , we had background processes that always had to run .
Now we have signals and the like that can awake idle processes so they do not have to run .
Then we had TSR applications , and similar items on the Mac , like the Talking Moose .
The former was created to solve the long start up time of applications on DOS and Windows .
Multiple windows and such were useful on the PC , with larger screens , but somewhat harder to use on the Mac .
The Mac seemed to launch applications faster , so I do n't have a recollections of being annoyed that Finder was not multitasking .
Multitasking is a solution to solve some problem on the general computer .
I am not sure it is the right solution for a small screen mobile small battery device .
I would rather see innovative solutions rather than rehashing the same old thing .
I think there this might be a useful solution for the iPad .
My concern is that iPhone 4.0 is built for the next iPhone , and will make current iPhones harder to use .
This is what happened with iPhone 3.0 , which does not run very well on the first generation iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not sure why I want multitasking on the iPhone.
The stated use is to allow a chat window to be always present.
What would that look like though, a piece of my small screen dedicated to such an application?
Does this mean I have a small browser window.
In the old days, we had background processes that always had to run.
Now we have signals and the like that can awake idle processes so they do not have to run.
Then we had TSR applications, and similar items on the Mac, like the Talking Moose.
The former was created to solve the long start up time of applications on DOS and Windows.
Multiple windows and such were useful on the PC, with larger screens, but somewhat harder to use on the Mac.
The Mac seemed to launch applications faster, so I don't have a recollections of being annoyed that Finder was not multitasking.
Multitasking is a solution to solve some problem on the general computer.
I am not sure it is the right solution for a small screen mobile small battery device.
I would rather see innovative solutions rather than rehashing the same old thing.
I think there this might be a useful solution for the iPad.
My concern is that iPhone 4.0 is built for the next iPhone, and will make current iPhones harder to use.
This is what happened with iPhone 3.0, which does not run very well on the first generation iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443666</id>
	<title>Please enlighten me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268300100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your post has made me curious and I&rsquo;m watching now the review of the N900 right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvPTBwEg5UA</p><p>Now, I dunno if my perception is screwed or something but the apps on there take 2-4 seconds to launch and the touchscreen does lag tiny little bit in some of them.</p><p>On the other hand the apps on the vilified 3gs load - as far as my perception is concerned - within 1-2 seconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post has made me curious and I    m watching now the review of the N900 right here : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = PvPTBwEg5UANow , I dunno if my perception is screwed or something but the apps on there take 2-4 seconds to launch and the touchscreen does lag tiny little bit in some of them.On the other hand the apps on the vilified 3gs load - as far as my perception is concerned - within 1-2 seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post has made me curious and I’m watching now the review of the N900 right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvPTBwEg5UANow, I dunno if my perception is screwed or something but the apps on there take 2-4 seconds to launch and the touchscreen does lag tiny little bit in some of them.On the other hand the apps on the vilified 3gs load - as far as my perception is concerned - within 1-2 seconds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441736</id>
	<title>Re:It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep, it should perform only one task at a time, ie either transmit what\_you\_speak or receive what the other person speaks. Just like a walky-talky.

Sound absurd? So is your argument!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , it should perform only one task at a time , ie either transmit what \ _you \ _speak or receive what the other person speaks .
Just like a walky-talky .
Sound absurd ?
So is your argument !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, it should perform only one task at a time, ie either transmit what\_you\_speak or receive what the other person speaks.
Just like a walky-talky.
Sound absurd?
So is your argument!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449668</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>beelsebob</author>
	<datestamp>1268390460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's only one exception to this rule that I can think of &ndash; chat clients.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's only one exception to this rule that I can think of    chat clients .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's only one exception to this rule that I can think of – chat clients.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443856</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 vs. iPhone 3Gs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268300760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; Flipping through the 3Gs icon screens clips and feels choppier.</p><p>Total bullshit.  I've never seen an iphone (even the original) that had any lag on the home screen, or really most other places.  Your iPhone is either broken or you're full of shit.  If there's one thing the iPhone does right, it's making sure there is no lag anywhere.  I haven't used an N900 so I don't know what it is like in that respect, but I've used several Android phones that were horribly laggy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Flipping through the 3Gs icon screens clips and feels choppier.Total bullshit .
I 've never seen an iphone ( even the original ) that had any lag on the home screen , or really most other places .
Your iPhone is either broken or you 're full of shit .
If there 's one thing the iPhone does right , it 's making sure there is no lag anywhere .
I have n't used an N900 so I do n't know what it is like in that respect , but I 've used several Android phones that were horribly laggy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; Flipping through the 3Gs icon screens clips and feels choppier.Total bullshit.
I've never seen an iphone (even the original) that had any lag on the home screen, or really most other places.
Your iPhone is either broken or you're full of shit.
If there's one thing the iPhone does right, it's making sure there is no lag anywhere.
I haven't used an N900 so I don't know what it is like in that respect, but I've used several Android phones that were horribly laggy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442668</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442564</id>
	<title>This isnt for the iPhone</title>
	<author>Ralph Spoilsport</author>
	<datestamp>1268340300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's for the iPad, because millions of fanboy^H^H^H^H^H^H early developers shat themselves when the iPad was revealed to have no multitasking. The iPhone is fine the way it is, and could continue in its present state for quite a while without multitasking (outside of the OS centric parts, like time and calendar, etc.). This is *all* about the iPad. I for one am very happy to see this, as the lack of multitasking was one thing that told me not to bother with the iPad.
<p>
With multitasking and iWorks, I can actually get something done with it while pissing away my life on the subway or on a bus. Now all I need is for Adobe to come up with PDF support on the iPad, and I am one happy camper.
</p><p>
RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's for the iPad , because millions of fanboy ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H early developers shat themselves when the iPad was revealed to have no multitasking .
The iPhone is fine the way it is , and could continue in its present state for quite a while without multitasking ( outside of the OS centric parts , like time and calendar , etc. ) .
This is * all * about the iPad .
I for one am very happy to see this , as the lack of multitasking was one thing that told me not to bother with the iPad .
With multitasking and iWorks , I can actually get something done with it while pissing away my life on the subway or on a bus .
Now all I need is for Adobe to come up with PDF support on the iPad , and I am one happy camper .
RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's for the iPad, because millions of fanboy^H^H^H^H^H^H early developers shat themselves when the iPad was revealed to have no multitasking.
The iPhone is fine the way it is, and could continue in its present state for quite a while without multitasking (outside of the OS centric parts, like time and calendar, etc.).
This is *all* about the iPad.
I for one am very happy to see this, as the lack of multitasking was one thing that told me not to bother with the iPad.
With multitasking and iWorks, I can actually get something done with it while pissing away my life on the subway or on a bus.
Now all I need is for Adobe to come up with PDF support on the iPad, and I am one happy camper.
RS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443832</id>
	<title>Re:Battery life</title>
	<author>toadlife</author>
	<datestamp>1268300640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not an issue for me with Windows mobile. In the wild wild west of Windows mobile, badly behaving apps that needlessly suck battery are shunned via word of mouth and as a result apps are generally battery friendly. I would imagine iPhone's appstore vetting process would take into consideration battery consumption and keep battery killers from the app store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not an issue for me with Windows mobile .
In the wild wild west of Windows mobile , badly behaving apps that needlessly suck battery are shunned via word of mouth and as a result apps are generally battery friendly .
I would imagine iPhone 's appstore vetting process would take into consideration battery consumption and keep battery killers from the app store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not an issue for me with Windows mobile.
In the wild wild west of Windows mobile, badly behaving apps that needlessly suck battery are shunned via word of mouth and as a result apps are generally battery friendly.
I would imagine iPhone's appstore vetting process would take into consideration battery consumption and keep battery killers from the app store.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442246</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443646</id>
	<title>Re:real chat client</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1268300040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see, I've had 100+ message long SMS threads with someone in a day (using it as IM in Gogole voice, them on a phone).</p><p>If I were to do such to one of my friends over seas, I just spent a decent amount of money.  So with them I use gchat.</p><p>Also, in general I SMS for a quick question or message, and IM for a conversation (my first sentence not withstanding).  Different mediums for different purposes.  You may-as-well ask why does the iPhone have SMS, you can just use IM.  Or why does IM exist, just use e-mail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see , I 've had 100 + message long SMS threads with someone in a day ( using it as IM in Gogole voice , them on a phone ) .If I were to do such to one of my friends over seas , I just spent a decent amount of money .
So with them I use gchat.Also , in general I SMS for a quick question or message , and IM for a conversation ( my first sentence not withstanding ) .
Different mediums for different purposes .
You may-as-well ask why does the iPhone have SMS , you can just use IM .
Or why does IM exist , just use e-mail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see, I've had 100+ message long SMS threads with someone in a day (using it as IM in Gogole voice, them on a phone).If I were to do such to one of my friends over seas, I just spent a decent amount of money.
So with them I use gchat.Also, in general I SMS for a quick question or message, and IM for a conversation (my first sentence not withstanding).
Different mediums for different purposes.
You may-as-well ask why does the iPhone have SMS, you can just use IM.
Or why does IM exist, just use e-mail.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441726</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>uberjack</author>
	<datestamp>1268315580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a dedicated Android user (and programmer), I still don't see the value of multitasking in a mobile app. The runtime can automatically clean up and restart the application with all the state information necessary if it ceases to run anyway. It's a lot easier to just assume that it's \_always\_ going to be cleaned up upon suspension, instead of writing code that accounts for the possibility that the app just may be resuming from a paused, but not terminated state.

I haven't used a single Android app, or written any code that I can say honestly benefits from the multitasking aspects of Android. The runtime can shut down my app any time it sees fit. Planning for resumption from an abruptly terminated app is the norm when developing for Android anyway. The way I see it, the apps would have more resources if the platform didn't have to multitask.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a dedicated Android user ( and programmer ) , I still do n't see the value of multitasking in a mobile app .
The runtime can automatically clean up and restart the application with all the state information necessary if it ceases to run anyway .
It 's a lot easier to just assume that it 's \ _always \ _ going to be cleaned up upon suspension , instead of writing code that accounts for the possibility that the app just may be resuming from a paused , but not terminated state .
I have n't used a single Android app , or written any code that I can say honestly benefits from the multitasking aspects of Android .
The runtime can shut down my app any time it sees fit .
Planning for resumption from an abruptly terminated app is the norm when developing for Android anyway .
The way I see it , the apps would have more resources if the platform did n't have to multitask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a dedicated Android user (and programmer), I still don't see the value of multitasking in a mobile app.
The runtime can automatically clean up and restart the application with all the state information necessary if it ceases to run anyway.
It's a lot easier to just assume that it's \_always\_ going to be cleaned up upon suspension, instead of writing code that accounts for the possibility that the app just may be resuming from a paused, but not terminated state.
I haven't used a single Android app, or written any code that I can say honestly benefits from the multitasking aspects of Android.
The runtime can shut down my app any time it sees fit.
Planning for resumption from an abruptly terminated app is the norm when developing for Android anyway.
The way I see it, the apps would have more resources if the platform didn't have to multitask.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441664</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442282</id>
	<title>Re:real chat client</title>
	<author>Ma8thew</author>
	<datestamp>1268339580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe because you don't want to use an antiquated protocol designed as an afterthought which carriers (in many countries) charge a fortune to use?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe because you do n't want to use an antiquated protocol designed as an afterthought which carriers ( in many countries ) charge a fortune to use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe because you don't want to use an antiquated protocol designed as an afterthought which carriers (in many countries) charge a fortune to use?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442372</id>
	<title>mkod do3n</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268339760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this very moment, as fittingly A need to play GAY NIIGERS from</htmltext>
<tokenext>this very moment , as fittingly A need to play GAY NIIGERS from</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this very moment, as fittingly A need to play GAY NIIGERS from</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31450028</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>jfanning</author>
	<datestamp>1268397660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You obviously don't think about the usecases very much.</p><p>I was using my Nokia E71 the other day and it was tracking my walking using GPS (Sports tracker) in the background. I was checking directions with Ovi maps and looking things up online in the browser. So all were running at once.</p><p>In your world my tracker application would been killed the moment I switched to another tool. That it totally useless and the reason I will never use an iPhone as long as multitasking is missing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously do n't think about the usecases very much.I was using my Nokia E71 the other day and it was tracking my walking using GPS ( Sports tracker ) in the background .
I was checking directions with Ovi maps and looking things up online in the browser .
So all were running at once.In your world my tracker application would been killed the moment I switched to another tool .
That it totally useless and the reason I will never use an iPhone as long as multitasking is missing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously don't think about the usecases very much.I was using my Nokia E71 the other day and it was tracking my walking using GPS (Sports tracker) in the background.
I was checking directions with Ovi maps and looking things up online in the browser.
So all were running at once.In your world my tracker application would been killed the moment I switched to another tool.
That it totally useless and the reason I will never use an iPhone as long as multitasking is missing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31446184</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>derfel cadarn</author>
	<datestamp>1268309340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure if they want to do it right or if it's just a calculated move to keep the masses from upgrading their phones every time a new version comes out. It just has to be "good enough" to sell the current version. After all, there is one less reason to upgrade if it is already available on version N-1. Apple is the king of marketing after all!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if they want to do it right or if it 's just a calculated move to keep the masses from upgrading their phones every time a new version comes out .
It just has to be " good enough " to sell the current version .
After all , there is one less reason to upgrade if it is already available on version N-1 .
Apple is the king of marketing after all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if they want to do it right or if it's just a calculated move to keep the masses from upgrading their phones every time a new version comes out.
It just has to be "good enough" to sell the current version.
After all, there is one less reason to upgrade if it is already available on version N-1.
Apple is the king of marketing after all!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442508</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268340120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you've ever used another phone that supports it, it's been lacking.</p><p>Multitasking is just like copy/paste.  When the iphone didn't have it, everyone went on about how they would never use it anyhow and they didn't see what the big deal was.  Then when they got it they were blown away by how awesome it is and how they couldn't get by without</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've ever used another phone that supports it , it 's been lacking.Multitasking is just like copy/paste .
When the iphone did n't have it , everyone went on about how they would never use it anyhow and they did n't see what the big deal was .
Then when they got it they were blown away by how awesome it is and how they could n't get by without</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've ever used another phone that supports it, it's been lacking.Multitasking is just like copy/paste.
When the iphone didn't have it, everyone went on about how they would never use it anyhow and they didn't see what the big deal was.
Then when they got it they were blown away by how awesome it is and how they couldn't get by without</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442046</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31448154</id>
	<title>Re:It's already been there</title>
	<author>ADRenalyn</author>
	<datestamp>1268322660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're assuming that he listens to the stock player instead of a streaming music service like Slacker or Pandora.  The Iphone/Ipod kills those apps if you hit the home button. I couldn't even stream the comedy channel from Slacker and use my grocery list app while shopping (need something funny while I shop so I don't run over people with my cart) until I ran the jailbreak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're assuming that he listens to the stock player instead of a streaming music service like Slacker or Pandora .
The Iphone/Ipod kills those apps if you hit the home button .
I could n't even stream the comedy channel from Slacker and use my grocery list app while shopping ( need something funny while I shop so I do n't run over people with my cart ) until I ran the jailbreak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're assuming that he listens to the stock player instead of a streaming music service like Slacker or Pandora.
The Iphone/Ipod kills those apps if you hit the home button.
I couldn't even stream the comedy channel from Slacker and use my grocery list app while shopping (need something funny while I shop so I don't run over people with my cart) until I ran the jailbreak.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442988</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31449568</id>
	<title>Re:The don't really have a choice</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1268388780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to the previous MS-OS for phones, which could play 3D games? Yeah, this is "Windows Phone 7", which is apparently what happens when you turn the Zune version of WinCE into a cellphone OS, rather than the old PalmPC version of WinCE (eg, the basis for Windows Mobile). They completely changed the GUI, so it looks, well, just like the ZuneHD... probably better for consumers, and definitely better for finger-touch interfaces, than the old WinMo. </p><p>Of course, one might also view this in a negative light. This is Microsoft once again copying Apple, turning their MP3 player into a phone. And it's also kind of a "Hail Mary" pass... the old WinMo has been steadily losing market share. So they introduce this new version of Windows for phones, which requires a totally new API. Old code won't work in the new OS, period.. as Gizmodo put it, "Windows Mobile isn't just dead, the body's been dumped, buried and paved over by a rainbow brick road." You have to write you apps using Silverlight or some other Microsoft nonsense... none of the old WinMo stuff is carried over. Check it out <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-everything-is-different-now" title="gizmodo.com">here</a> [gizmodo.com].  MS at least understands that WinMo was so far behind, the only way to catch up with iPhone and Android was a clean, new, Zune-shaped slate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to the previous MS-OS for phones , which could play 3D games ?
Yeah , this is " Windows Phone 7 " , which is apparently what happens when you turn the Zune version of WinCE into a cellphone OS , rather than the old PalmPC version of WinCE ( eg , the basis for Windows Mobile ) .
They completely changed the GUI , so it looks , well , just like the ZuneHD... probably better for consumers , and definitely better for finger-touch interfaces , than the old WinMo .
Of course , one might also view this in a negative light .
This is Microsoft once again copying Apple , turning their MP3 player into a phone .
And it 's also kind of a " Hail Mary " pass... the old WinMo has been steadily losing market share .
So they introduce this new version of Windows for phones , which requires a totally new API .
Old code wo n't work in the new OS , period.. as Gizmodo put it , " Windows Mobile is n't just dead , the body 's been dumped , buried and paved over by a rainbow brick road .
" You have to write you apps using Silverlight or some other Microsoft nonsense... none of the old WinMo stuff is carried over .
Check it out here [ gizmodo.com ] .
MS at least understands that WinMo was so far behind , the only way to catch up with iPhone and Android was a clean , new , Zune-shaped slate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to the previous MS-OS for phones, which could play 3D games?
Yeah, this is "Windows Phone 7", which is apparently what happens when you turn the Zune version of WinCE into a cellphone OS, rather than the old PalmPC version of WinCE (eg, the basis for Windows Mobile).
They completely changed the GUI, so it looks, well, just like the ZuneHD... probably better for consumers, and definitely better for finger-touch interfaces, than the old WinMo.
Of course, one might also view this in a negative light.
This is Microsoft once again copying Apple, turning their MP3 player into a phone.
And it's also kind of a "Hail Mary" pass... the old WinMo has been steadily losing market share.
So they introduce this new version of Windows for phones, which requires a totally new API.
Old code won't work in the new OS, period.. as Gizmodo put it, "Windows Mobile isn't just dead, the body's been dumped, buried and paved over by a rainbow brick road.
" You have to write you apps using Silverlight or some other Microsoft nonsense... none of the old WinMo stuff is carried over.
Check it out here [gizmodo.com].
MS at least understands that WinMo was so far behind, the only way to catch up with iPhone and Android was a clean, new, Zune-shaped slate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442054</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444980</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268304420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Observe how multitasking suddenly becomes a good thing when A***e finally adds the feature.</p><p>Die, macfags, die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Observe how multitasking suddenly becomes a good thing when A * * * e finally adds the feature.Die , macfags , die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Observe how multitasking suddenly becomes a good thing when A***e finally adds the feature.Die, macfags, die.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442272</id>
	<title>Don't forget 2G phones !</title>
	<author>Rastignac</author>
	<datestamp>1268339520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhone2G is as powerful as iPhone3G, but Apple seems now to forget these old models. New firmwares for 2G lack features found on 3G. I hope FW4 won't be for "3G / 3GS / 4G only". First iPhone buyers love Apple; Apple, love them !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone2G is as powerful as iPhone3G , but Apple seems now to forget these old models .
New firmwares for 2G lack features found on 3G .
I hope FW4 wo n't be for " 3G / 3GS / 4G only " .
First iPhone buyers love Apple ; Apple , love them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone2G is as powerful as iPhone3G, but Apple seems now to forget these old models.
New firmwares for 2G lack features found on 3G.
I hope FW4 won't be for "3G / 3GS / 4G only".
First iPhone buyers love Apple; Apple, love them !</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31450004</id>
	<title>Re:ipad might be worthwile</title>
	<author>koding</author>
	<datestamp>1268397000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Okay, I don't know what kind of apps you are creating, but you seem a little narrow minded here.
If you can't see the benefits of multitasking on a mobile phone, with all the media possibilities, notifications, location aware services etc, well...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I do n't know what kind of apps you are creating , but you seem a little narrow minded here .
If you ca n't see the benefits of multitasking on a mobile phone , with all the media possibilities , notifications , location aware services etc , well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I don't know what kind of apps you are creating, but you seem a little narrow minded here.
If you can't see the benefits of multitasking on a mobile phone, with all the media possibilities, notifications, location aware services etc, well...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31447300</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443042</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>kehren77</author>
	<datestamp>1268298420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the key, especially for your parents, is making it very obvious as to whether you are closing or backgrounding a program. That's one of the things I hate about my Blackberry Curve 8330. Almost every app is different, some you "Exit", some you "Close", some close when you hit the back button, some stay open when you hit the back button.</p><p>It makes  it a pain in the ass to try and figure out what all you have running.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the key , especially for your parents , is making it very obvious as to whether you are closing or backgrounding a program .
That 's one of the things I hate about my Blackberry Curve 8330 .
Almost every app is different , some you " Exit " , some you " Close " , some close when you hit the back button , some stay open when you hit the back button.It makes it a pain in the ass to try and figure out what all you have running .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the key, especially for your parents, is making it very obvious as to whether you are closing or backgrounding a program.
That's one of the things I hate about my Blackberry Curve 8330.
Almost every app is different, some you "Exit", some you "Close", some close when you hit the back button, some stay open when you hit the back button.It makes  it a pain in the ass to try and figure out what all you have running.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441752</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441780</id>
	<title>Re:It's a freakin' PHONE</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1268337960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except it's not just a phone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it's a "smart phone."</p><p>The term may be vague/undefined, but it's understandable that some think it implies a more general computing environment.  Apple's "app" concept doesn't help that perception.  Why should multitasking be such a foreign concept?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except it 's not just a phone ... it 's a " smart phone .
" The term may be vague/undefined , but it 's understandable that some think it implies a more general computing environment .
Apple 's " app " concept does n't help that perception .
Why should multitasking be such a foreign concept ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except it's not just a phone ... it's a "smart phone.
"The term may be vague/undefined, but it's understandable that some think it implies a more general computing environment.
Apple's "app" concept doesn't help that perception.
Why should multitasking be such a foreign concept?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441694</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442246</id>
	<title>Battery life</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1268339460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big issue for me is battery life.  I don't want some random app draining the battery of the device I use to call a tow if my car breaks down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big issue for me is battery life .
I do n't want some random app draining the battery of the device I use to call a tow if my car breaks down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big issue for me is battery life.
I don't want some random app draining the battery of the device I use to call a tow if my car breaks down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442844</id>
	<title>Re:Existing Apps?</title>
	<author>Dog-Cow</author>
	<datestamp>1268341080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The OS kills any application after 5 seconds that does not end itself when told to quit.  It has nothing to do with preventing 2 apps from running at the same time.  Rather, it is because there is no provision to switch apps in the UI, so if the app didn't quit quickly, it would appear to hang the phone.</p><p>The only requirement on timing is that state must be saved quickly to avoid data loss when the watchdog kills the process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The OS kills any application after 5 seconds that does not end itself when told to quit .
It has nothing to do with preventing 2 apps from running at the same time .
Rather , it is because there is no provision to switch apps in the UI , so if the app did n't quit quickly , it would appear to hang the phone.The only requirement on timing is that state must be saved quickly to avoid data loss when the watchdog kills the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OS kills any application after 5 seconds that does not end itself when told to quit.
It has nothing to do with preventing 2 apps from running at the same time.
Rather, it is because there is no provision to switch apps in the UI, so if the app didn't quit quickly, it would appear to hang the phone.The only requirement on timing is that state must be saved quickly to avoid data loss when the watchdog kills the process.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441808</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441986</id>
	<title>Re:Existing Apps?</title>
	<author>zach\_the\_lizard</author>
	<datestamp>1268338620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The app I use on my jailbroken iPhone lets me see exactly what is running and close it, so if they have similar functionality to this app, they could make it very easy to avoid that problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The app I use on my jailbroken iPhone lets me see exactly what is running and close it , so if they have similar functionality to this app , they could make it very easy to avoid that problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The app I use on my jailbroken iPhone lets me see exactly what is running and close it, so if they have similar functionality to this app, they could make it very easy to avoid that problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441808</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442358</id>
	<title>Multiple sources also claim...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268339760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... that Apple will open up the app store, and will allow any and all third party applications. In addition, multiple sources indicate that the iPhone 4.0 will cook dinner and fold the laundry.</p><p>In other news, multiple sources are rumors, same as always.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... that Apple will open up the app store , and will allow any and all third party applications .
In addition , multiple sources indicate that the iPhone 4.0 will cook dinner and fold the laundry.In other news , multiple sources are rumors , same as always .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... that Apple will open up the app store, and will allow any and all third party applications.
In addition, multiple sources indicate that the iPhone 4.0 will cook dinner and fold the laundry.In other news, multiple sources are rumors, same as always.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442140</id>
	<title>Re:Would be Great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268339160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would "crap apps" suck your battery unless you start them? And why would you download "crap apps" in the first place?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would " crap apps " suck your battery unless you start them ?
And why would you download " crap apps " in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would "crap apps" suck your battery unless you start them?
And why would you download "crap apps" in the first place?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31441940</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31444484</id>
	<title>Re:It's already been there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268302680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I admit it was a bad list, but there are plenty of other apps that I have that I run in the background quite a bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit it was a bad list , but there are plenty of other apps that I have that I run in the background quite a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit it was a bad list, but there are plenty of other apps that I have that I run in the background quite a bit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442988</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31445220</id>
	<title>Re:I hope it's optional in settings</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1268305500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They want to do it right"</p><p>Right. It's not as if copy/paste was something OSs  have been implementing for years. They had to go back to scrapbooks to really figure out the whole text moving Zeitgeist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They want to do it right " Right .
It 's not as if copy/paste was something OSs have been implementing for years .
They had to go back to scrapbooks to really figure out the whole text moving Zeitgeist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They want to do it right"Right.
It's not as if copy/paste was something OSs  have been implementing for years.
They had to go back to scrapbooks to really figure out the whole text moving Zeitgeist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31442820</id>
	<title>Jailbreaking</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1268340960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could do this ages ago with jailbreaking (Backgrounder, Kirikae, etc). But I do wish that in Android it would make backgrounding not default unless I set the program specifically to background.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could do this ages ago with jailbreaking ( Backgrounder , Kirikae , etc ) .
But I do wish that in Android it would make backgrounding not default unless I set the program specifically to background .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could do this ages ago with jailbreaking (Backgrounder, Kirikae, etc).
But I do wish that in Android it would make backgrounding not default unless I set the program specifically to background.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31443284</id>
	<title>Re:Apologists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268299080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I note that you have not commented on the merits of the idea that multitasking might not be a good thing, but rather resort to an Ad hominem attack (name-calling) on anyone who might disagree with you. Do we really need to resort to third-grade level arguments... and how in the world did this get moderated "insightful"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I note that you have not commented on the merits of the idea that multitasking might not be a good thing , but rather resort to an Ad hominem attack ( name-calling ) on anyone who might disagree with you .
Do we really need to resort to third-grade level arguments... and how in the world did this get moderated " insightful " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I note that you have not commented on the merits of the idea that multitasking might not be a good thing, but rather resort to an Ad hominem attack (name-calling) on anyone who might disagree with you.
Do we really need to resort to third-grade level arguments... and how in the world did this get moderated "insightful"?</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's already been there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268338500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>This is why I jailbroke the thing in the first place (well, that, and a few other things): multitasking for everything, not just Apple's apps. For some time now, I have been able to listen to music and browse the web, text, chat, etc. by just switching apps. It works fairly decently, too, and doesn't make it very slow. I am simply amazed they decided this was a proper limitation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I jailbroke the thing in the first place ( well , that , and a few other things ) : multitasking for everything , not just Apple 's apps .
For some time now , I have been able to listen to music and browse the web , text , chat , etc .
by just switching apps .
It works fairly decently , too , and does n't make it very slow .
I am simply amazed they decided this was a proper limitation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I jailbroke the thing in the first place (well, that, and a few other things): multitasking for everything, not just Apple's apps.
For some time now, I have been able to listen to music and browse the web, text, chat, etc.
by just switching apps.
It works fairly decently, too, and doesn't make it very slow.
I am simply amazed they decided this was a proper limitation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_1749244.31445242</id>
	<title>Re:Another feature Android will steal, no doubt!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268305560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are you talking about the feature of multitasking? android has had that from version 1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are you talking about the feature of multitasking ?
android has had that from version 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you talking about the feature of multitasking?
android has had that from version 1.</sentencetext>
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