<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_11_142257</id>
	<title>Accidental Wii Suicide</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1268319600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:black69@tpg.com.au" rel="nofollow">Paul Taylor</a>  noted a story that I would have thought to be an April Fool's Day joke a few weeks from now, which makes it only seem more tragic. A 3-year-old <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddler-dies-mistaking-gun-wii-controller/story?id=10056190">shot herself with a gun</a> after mistaking it for a Wii controller.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paul Taylor noted a story that I would have thought to be an April Fool 's Day joke a few weeks from now , which makes it only seem more tragic .
A 3-year-old shot herself with a gun after mistaking it for a Wii controller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paul Taylor  noted a story that I would have thought to be an April Fool's Day joke a few weeks from now, which makes it only seem more tragic.
A 3-year-old shot herself with a gun after mistaking it for a Wii controller.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441014</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1268334840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>+5 common sense.  The Wii controller explanation was a stretch, but was probably only mentioned because the parent went out of his way to import a realistic gun mod for his controller.  It has no effect on the irresponsibility of the parent for leaving a gun lying around.  I would expect that result as a possibility regardless of any prior familiarity.
<br> <br>
Hopefully this doesn't result in media frenzy over video games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 5 common sense .
The Wii controller explanation was a stretch , but was probably only mentioned because the parent went out of his way to import a realistic gun mod for his controller .
It has no effect on the irresponsibility of the parent for leaving a gun lying around .
I would expect that result as a possibility regardless of any prior familiarity .
Hopefully this does n't result in media frenzy over video games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+5 common sense.
The Wii controller explanation was a stretch, but was probably only mentioned because the parent went out of his way to import a realistic gun mod for his controller.
It has no effect on the irresponsibility of the parent for leaving a gun lying around.
I would expect that result as a possibility regardless of any prior familiarity.
Hopefully this doesn't result in media frenzy over video games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440396</id>
	<title>Re:Just read the story</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1268332440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kids may have two hands but they are still tremendously weak together. Most toddlers can't even press the button on an aerosol can.</p><p>Since you're from the UK, chances are you've never fired a hand gun (I'm also from the UK, but I spent some time living in the US and I did make trips to the shooting range). Every single hand gun that I've fired requires a suprisingly large amount of trigger pressure. Much higher than the rifles I went shooting with when I was in the CCF. Others up thread have said the particular model of gun requires around 10lbs (about 5kg) of trigger pressure to fire - that's significant for an adult's fingers let alone a very small child.</p><p>Something does seem a bit fishy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids may have two hands but they are still tremendously weak together .
Most toddlers ca n't even press the button on an aerosol can.Since you 're from the UK , chances are you 've never fired a hand gun ( I 'm also from the UK , but I spent some time living in the US and I did make trips to the shooting range ) .
Every single hand gun that I 've fired requires a suprisingly large amount of trigger pressure .
Much higher than the rifles I went shooting with when I was in the CCF .
Others up thread have said the particular model of gun requires around 10lbs ( about 5kg ) of trigger pressure to fire - that 's significant for an adult 's fingers let alone a very small child.Something does seem a bit fishy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids may have two hands but they are still tremendously weak together.
Most toddlers can't even press the button on an aerosol can.Since you're from the UK, chances are you've never fired a hand gun (I'm also from the UK, but I spent some time living in the US and I did make trips to the shooting range).
Every single hand gun that I've fired requires a suprisingly large amount of trigger pressure.
Much higher than the rifles I went shooting with when I was in the CCF.
Others up thread have said the particular model of gun requires around 10lbs (about 5kg) of trigger pressure to fire - that's significant for an adult's fingers let alone a very small child.Something does seem a bit fishy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31444808</id>
	<title>I cant believe you people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268303820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If his concience is punishment enough then he wont mind the jail time that he 100\% should be doing, so should mom.  If someone does something wrong and they dont get punished because someone dies thats not a good precedent to set.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If his concience is punishment enough then he wont mind the jail time that he 100 \ % should be doing , so should mom .
If someone does something wrong and they dont get punished because someone dies thats not a good precedent to set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If his concience is punishment enough then he wont mind the jail time that he 100\% should be doing, so should mom.
If someone does something wrong and they dont get punished because someone dies thats not a good precedent to set.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31442312</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268339640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller"</p><p>You've never had to raise a 3-years old, did you?. The only things a 3-years old know how to make the difference is:<br>-- This is Mum/This is not Mum.<br>-- This looks like Dad/This doesn't look like Dad.<br>-- This looks like food/This should be food, let's try it.<br>-- This looks like Dad's thing he uses to play that funny colored thing on that big moving picture thing there/This looks like Dad's thing he uses to play that funny colored thing on that big moving picture thing there. Let's try it.</p><p>"I wouldn't be shocked if the autopsy shows no signs of gun powder residue on her hands/arms, and it turns out that the father shot her, and they made up a BS story to cover."</p><p>I would be shocked if you don't get a degree in talking out of undesirable places.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun , and a lightweight plastic controller " You 've never had to raise a 3-years old , did you ? .
The only things a 3-years old know how to make the difference is : -- This is Mum/This is not Mum.-- This looks like Dad/This does n't look like Dad.-- This looks like food/This should be food , let 's try it.-- This looks like Dad 's thing he uses to play that funny colored thing on that big moving picture thing there/This looks like Dad 's thing he uses to play that funny colored thing on that big moving picture thing there .
Let 's try it .
" I would n't be shocked if the autopsy shows no signs of gun powder residue on her hands/arms , and it turns out that the father shot her , and they made up a BS story to cover .
" I would be shocked if you do n't get a degree in talking out of undesirable places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller"You've never had to raise a 3-years old, did you?.
The only things a 3-years old know how to make the difference is:-- This is Mum/This is not Mum.-- This looks like Dad/This doesn't look like Dad.-- This looks like food/This should be food, let's try it.-- This looks like Dad's thing he uses to play that funny colored thing on that big moving picture thing there/This looks like Dad's thing he uses to play that funny colored thing on that big moving picture thing there.
Let's try it.
"I wouldn't be shocked if the autopsy shows no signs of gun powder residue on her hands/arms, and it turns out that the father shot her, and they made up a BS story to cover.
"I would be shocked if you don't get a degree in talking out of undesirable places.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438216</id>
	<title>Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>dtolman</author>
	<datestamp>1268325540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller. According to the parents, the gun was sitting on the table for a whole day. In a little trailer.</p><p>Apparently, loaded, cocked, and with the safety off. And then the little girl pointed it at herself and pulled the trigger? Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns doesn't know that you don't point it at yourself.</p><p>But even if thats the case it was negligent homicide - you don't forget to keep a loaded, cocked, and ready to fire weapon out for an entire day, in plain view.</p><p>I wouldn't be shocked if the autopsy shows no signs of gun powder residue on her hands/arms, and it turns out that the father shot her, and they made up a BS story to cover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun , and a lightweight plastic controller .
According to the parents , the gun was sitting on the table for a whole day .
In a little trailer.Apparently , loaded , cocked , and with the safety off .
And then the little girl pointed it at herself and pulled the trigger ?
Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns does n't know that you do n't point it at yourself.But even if thats the case it was negligent homicide - you do n't forget to keep a loaded , cocked , and ready to fire weapon out for an entire day , in plain view.I would n't be shocked if the autopsy shows no signs of gun powder residue on her hands/arms , and it turns out that the father shot her , and they made up a BS story to cover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller.
According to the parents, the gun was sitting on the table for a whole day.
In a little trailer.Apparently, loaded, cocked, and with the safety off.
And then the little girl pointed it at herself and pulled the trigger?
Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns doesn't know that you don't point it at yourself.But even if thats the case it was negligent homicide - you don't forget to keep a loaded, cocked, and ready to fire weapon out for an entire day, in plain view.I wouldn't be shocked if the autopsy shows no signs of gun powder residue on her hands/arms, and it turns out that the father shot her, and they made up a BS story to cover.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31442680</id>
	<title>Re:This is why I don't have *any* toy guns...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268340600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad to see that at least *some* people have common gun sense, as the parents in this article don't make it very obvious. Unfortunately for this girl, her parents didn't. I second the vote for negligent homicide.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad to see that at least * some * people have common gun sense , as the parents in this article do n't make it very obvious .
Unfortunately for this girl , her parents did n't .
I second the vote for negligent homicide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad to see that at least *some* people have common gun sense, as the parents in this article don't make it very obvious.
Unfortunately for this girl, her parents didn't.
I second the vote for negligent homicide.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440146</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a list</title>
	<author>Belial6</author>
	<datestamp>1268331480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As long as the same standards are set for every parent who lets their kid watch Bob the Builder, and then leaves any kind of power tool in their home without it being in a safe.<br> <br>

It always gets me that because a group of people think guns are 'evil', they get treated as a completely different class than every other tool.  There is no indication that this child 'thought the gun was a Wii controller'.  This story is a case of 'guns are evil', 'video games are evil' so, put together, they become evil squared!<br> <br>

No doubt, leaving the gun loaded on the kitchen table is a poor choice if your 3 year old hasn't been properly raised, but does anyone think that if it were a hand held circular saw that was left plugged in that the child killed themselves with, that there would be nearly the uproar?</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as the same standards are set for every parent who lets their kid watch Bob the Builder , and then leaves any kind of power tool in their home without it being in a safe .
It always gets me that because a group of people think guns are 'evil ' , they get treated as a completely different class than every other tool .
There is no indication that this child 'thought the gun was a Wii controller' .
This story is a case of 'guns are evil ' , 'video games are evil ' so , put together , they become evil squared !
No doubt , leaving the gun loaded on the kitchen table is a poor choice if your 3 year old has n't been properly raised , but does anyone think that if it were a hand held circular saw that was left plugged in that the child killed themselves with , that there would be nearly the uproar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as the same standards are set for every parent who lets their kid watch Bob the Builder, and then leaves any kind of power tool in their home without it being in a safe.
It always gets me that because a group of people think guns are 'evil', they get treated as a completely different class than every other tool.
There is no indication that this child 'thought the gun was a Wii controller'.
This story is a case of 'guns are evil', 'video games are evil' so, put together, they become evil squared!
No doubt, leaving the gun loaded on the kitchen table is a poor choice if your 3 year old hasn't been properly raised, but does anyone think that if it were a hand held circular saw that was left plugged in that the child killed themselves with, that there would be nearly the uproar?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437618</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because when a murderer breaks into your home and death is coming in the next several seconds, the cops are only minutes way.  And even that sarcasm aside, the cops have no legal duty to come help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because when a murderer breaks into your home and death is coming in the next several seconds , the cops are only minutes way .
And even that sarcasm aside , the cops have no legal duty to come help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because when a murderer breaks into your home and death is coming in the next several seconds, the cops are only minutes way.
And even that sarcasm aside, the cops have no legal duty to come help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31457882</id>
	<title>um, no</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1268393820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's still criminal negligence.  Sending text messages from your cell phone is legal.  Sending text messages while driving is legal (in most states).  And you might have great intentions while sending that text message while driving - but it doesn't matter a whit if you your negligence results in harming someone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's still criminal negligence .
Sending text messages from your cell phone is legal .
Sending text messages while driving is legal ( in most states ) .
And you might have great intentions while sending that text message while driving - but it does n't matter a whit if you your negligence results in harming someone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's still criminal negligence.
Sending text messages from your cell phone is legal.
Sending text messages while driving is legal (in most states).
And you might have great intentions while sending that text message while driving - but it doesn't matter a whit if you your negligence results in harming someone else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31459318</id>
	<title>What the heck??</title>
	<author>beatgammit</author>
	<datestamp>1268400240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why was a three-year-old playing a shooting game?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why was a three-year-old playing a shooting game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why was a three-year-old playing a shooting game?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31449396</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>MasterNetHead</author>
	<datestamp>1268386020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because its felony child endangerment...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because its felony child endangerment.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because its felony child endangerment...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439124</id>
	<title>Re:I smell a lawsuit...</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1268328000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently it's an obscure 3-rd party bootleg accessory, thus it's unlikely to conform to any standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently it 's an obscure 3-rd party bootleg accessory , thus it 's unlikely to conform to any standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently it's an obscure 3-rd party bootleg accessory, thus it's unlikely to conform to any standards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438568</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1268326320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?</p></div><p>To give an extra reminder to people beyond the people immediately involved in the case, same as any other artificial punishment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that ? To give an extra reminder to people beyond the people immediately involved in the case , same as any other artificial punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?To give an extra reminder to people beyond the people immediately involved in the case, same as any other artificial punishment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31450544</id>
	<title>Gun ownership is unnecessary and dangerous</title>
	<author>randomsearch</author>
	<datestamp>1268402580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously people.</p><p>A gun is a weapon.  It's used to kill things.  It is very dangerous, and people can lose their lives through accidental and malicious use of them.</p><p>Don't buy a gun.  Don't keep a gun in your house.  Don't carry a gun.</p><p>The danger of gun ownership far outweigh the benefit of recreational use.</p><p>A handgun is not going to prevent your government from abusing its power.  Governments have much bigger weapons than you can buy.</p><p>A handgun is not going to prevent someone breaking into your home. Maybe you'll shoot the guy.  Maybe he'll shoot you.  Either way, you just cost someone their life.</p><p>I know the parents were negligent in this case, but people who own handguns are making the world a more dangerous place for everyone.</p><p>What is wrong with you?</p><p>RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously people.A gun is a weapon .
It 's used to kill things .
It is very dangerous , and people can lose their lives through accidental and malicious use of them.Do n't buy a gun .
Do n't keep a gun in your house .
Do n't carry a gun.The danger of gun ownership far outweigh the benefit of recreational use.A handgun is not going to prevent your government from abusing its power .
Governments have much bigger weapons than you can buy.A handgun is not going to prevent someone breaking into your home .
Maybe you 'll shoot the guy .
Maybe he 'll shoot you .
Either way , you just cost someone their life.I know the parents were negligent in this case , but people who own handguns are making the world a more dangerous place for everyone.What is wrong with you ? RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously people.A gun is a weapon.
It's used to kill things.
It is very dangerous, and people can lose their lives through accidental and malicious use of them.Don't buy a gun.
Don't keep a gun in your house.
Don't carry a gun.The danger of gun ownership far outweigh the benefit of recreational use.A handgun is not going to prevent your government from abusing its power.
Governments have much bigger weapons than you can buy.A handgun is not going to prevent someone breaking into your home.
Maybe you'll shoot the guy.
Maybe he'll shoot you.
Either way, you just cost someone their life.I know the parents were negligent in this case, but people who own handguns are making the world a more dangerous place for everyone.What is wrong with you?RS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438486</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you feel the same way about parents who leave their children in hot cars to go shopping?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you feel the same way about parents who leave their children in hot cars to go shopping ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you feel the same way about parents who leave their children in hot cars to go shopping?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437942</id>
	<title>Where does the Blame Lie???</title>
	<author>Pvt\_Ryan</author>
	<datestamp>1268324820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The question posed in the article: <a href="http://kotaku.com/5489137/wii-gun-involved-in-3+year+old-shooting-is-amazingly-lifelike" title="kotaku.com">http://kotaku.com/5489137/wii-gun-involved-in-3+year+old-shooting-is-amazingly-lifelike</a> [kotaku.com]
<br> <br>
Well because I am a sane individual I would say the "blame" if there must be some lies with the person that left a loaded, cocked gun with the safety off, lying about where a toddler could reach it..<br> <br>
I can hardly blame a toy manufacturer for making a replica.<p><div class="quote"><p>"The fact that there are things like this Wii toy that look like guns, make it all the more important for the adults to keep the guns away from the children," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Keep it locked up, keep it secure, or don't have it at all."</p></div><p>Why does that make it more important? I fail to see how leaving a loaded weapon in reach of a child can be less important in any way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question posed in the article : http : //kotaku.com/5489137/wii-gun-involved-in-3 + year + old-shooting-is-amazingly-lifelike [ kotaku.com ] Well because I am a sane individual I would say the " blame " if there must be some lies with the person that left a loaded , cocked gun with the safety off , lying about where a toddler could reach it. . I can hardly blame a toy manufacturer for making a replica .
" The fact that there are things like this Wii toy that look like guns , make it all the more important for the adults to keep the guns away from the children , " said Paul Helmke , president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence .
" Keep it locked up , keep it secure , or do n't have it at all .
" Why does that make it more important ?
I fail to see how leaving a loaded weapon in reach of a child can be less important in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question posed in the article: http://kotaku.com/5489137/wii-gun-involved-in-3+year+old-shooting-is-amazingly-lifelike [kotaku.com]
 
Well because I am a sane individual I would say the "blame" if there must be some lies with the person that left a loaded, cocked gun with the safety off, lying about where a toddler could reach it.. 
I can hardly blame a toy manufacturer for making a replica.
"The fact that there are things like this Wii toy that look like guns, make it all the more important for the adults to keep the guns away from the children," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
"Keep it locked up, keep it secure, or don't have it at all.
"Why does that make it more important?
I fail to see how leaving a loaded weapon in reach of a child can be less important in any way.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438132</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Parents murder their children occasionally so clearly it isn't such a big deal for some people in some situation. Throwing them off bridges seems to be the current fad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parents murder their children occasionally so clearly it is n't such a big deal for some people in some situation .
Throwing them off bridges seems to be the current fad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parents murder their children occasionally so clearly it isn't such a big deal for some people in some situation.
Throwing them off bridges seems to be the current fad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437454</id>
	<title>Q.E.D.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, video game really do make our youth violent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , video game really do make our youth violent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, video game really do make our youth violent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437440</id>
	<title>What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1268323260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am so sorry for the Cronberger's loss of their three year old daughter.  What a horrible tragedy.  <br> <br>

But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.  The article says:<p><div class="quote"><p>Law Enforcement: If You're a Gun Owner, You Have to Be Responsible</p></div><p>Or what?  Someone will shake their finger at you?  <br> <br>

Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a victim of either neglect, ignorance or willful intent of her stepfather.  Which one, no one can ever be sure of.  Regardless of the circumstances he improperly stored <i>a loaded handgun</i> in his home in reach of a three year old.  <br> <br>

Saying "terrible lapse of judgment" and "be responsible next time" isn't enough for me.  This man should be charged with child endangerment so that people take their Second Amendment Rights seriously and responsibly should they choose to exercise them.  <br> <br>

Were I a prosecutor, I would push for the jury to see that going through the trouble to find a toy (not regularly distributed commercially here) for your child identical to the loaded handgun that you "happened" to leave on the table one evening is more than suspicious.  <br> <br>

If you have children, invest in a home security system before a handgun, folks.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I am so sorry for the Cronberger 's loss of their three year old daughter .
What a horrible tragedy .
But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me .
The article says : Law Enforcement : If You 're a Gun Owner , You Have to Be ResponsibleOr what ?
Someone will shake their finger at you ?
Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a victim of either neglect , ignorance or willful intent of her stepfather .
Which one , no one can ever be sure of .
Regardless of the circumstances he improperly stored a loaded handgun in his home in reach of a three year old .
Saying " terrible lapse of judgment " and " be responsible next time " is n't enough for me .
This man should be charged with child endangerment so that people take their Second Amendment Rights seriously and responsibly should they choose to exercise them .
Were I a prosecutor , I would push for the jury to see that going through the trouble to find a toy ( not regularly distributed commercially here ) for your child identical to the loaded handgun that you " happened " to leave on the table one evening is more than suspicious .
If you have children , invest in a home security system before a handgun , folks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am so sorry for the Cronberger's loss of their three year old daughter.
What a horrible tragedy.
But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.
The article says:Law Enforcement: If You're a Gun Owner, You Have to Be ResponsibleOr what?
Someone will shake their finger at you?
Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a victim of either neglect, ignorance or willful intent of her stepfather.
Which one, no one can ever be sure of.
Regardless of the circumstances he improperly stored a loaded handgun in his home in reach of a three year old.
Saying "terrible lapse of judgment" and "be responsible next time" isn't enough for me.
This man should be charged with child endangerment so that people take their Second Amendment Rights seriously and responsibly should they choose to exercise them.
Were I a prosecutor, I would push for the jury to see that going through the trouble to find a toy (not regularly distributed commercially here) for your child identical to the loaded handgun that you "happened" to leave on the table one evening is more than suspicious.
If you have children, invest in a home security system before a handgun, folks.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440596</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1268333220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't really get why you are so upset.  If they were threatening to sue Nintendo over it or if they were blaming Nintendo in any way...then you would have something.  But I don't really see that happening.  The precious Nintendo that Slashdot loves is safe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really get why you are so upset .
If they were threatening to sue Nintendo over it or if they were blaming Nintendo in any way...then you would have something .
But I do n't really see that happening .
The precious Nintendo that Slashdot loves is safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really get why you are so upset.
If they were threatening to sue Nintendo over it or if they were blaming Nintendo in any way...then you would have something.
But I don't really see that happening.
The precious Nintendo that Slashdot loves is safe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441642</id>
	<title>Waiting for more info</title>
	<author>LeinadSpoon</author>
	<datestamp>1268337480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I kind of want to see the story develop further.  A few questions I'd like to see answered.

- The summary uses the pronoun "himself", but TFA says it was a girl.  What was the gender of this child and does "CmdrTaco" know more than he or she is letting on?

- How does anyone actually know the motivation of the kid? Perhaps she played with a controller that looked like a gun, and then mistook a real gun for it, but we don't know that's actually what went through her mind.  And there's still the question of why she pointed this gun at herself.  Also, apparently the mom was three feet away when it happened.  Did she not notice the kid playing with the gun?

- Forget leaving a loaded gun out, what kind of a parent lets their 3 year old play a shooting game with a realistic gun???  This level of negligence is staggering to me.  I hope the police aren't just investigating manslaughter, but also a possible homicide.  I hate to accuse parents who have just lost a child of murder, but all we have to go on from what I see is their testimony of what happened, and everything just seems a bit too convenient.  Either both parents are criminally incompetent, or this was less of an accident than we are led to believe, based on what we know now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I kind of want to see the story develop further .
A few questions I 'd like to see answered .
- The summary uses the pronoun " himself " , but TFA says it was a girl .
What was the gender of this child and does " CmdrTaco " know more than he or she is letting on ?
- How does anyone actually know the motivation of the kid ?
Perhaps she played with a controller that looked like a gun , and then mistook a real gun for it , but we do n't know that 's actually what went through her mind .
And there 's still the question of why she pointed this gun at herself .
Also , apparently the mom was three feet away when it happened .
Did she not notice the kid playing with the gun ?
- Forget leaving a loaded gun out , what kind of a parent lets their 3 year old play a shooting game with a realistic gun ? ? ?
This level of negligence is staggering to me .
I hope the police are n't just investigating manslaughter , but also a possible homicide .
I hate to accuse parents who have just lost a child of murder , but all we have to go on from what I see is their testimony of what happened , and everything just seems a bit too convenient .
Either both parents are criminally incompetent , or this was less of an accident than we are led to believe , based on what we know now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I kind of want to see the story develop further.
A few questions I'd like to see answered.
- The summary uses the pronoun "himself", but TFA says it was a girl.
What was the gender of this child and does "CmdrTaco" know more than he or she is letting on?
- How does anyone actually know the motivation of the kid?
Perhaps she played with a controller that looked like a gun, and then mistook a real gun for it, but we don't know that's actually what went through her mind.
And there's still the question of why she pointed this gun at herself.
Also, apparently the mom was three feet away when it happened.
Did she not notice the kid playing with the gun?
- Forget leaving a loaded gun out, what kind of a parent lets their 3 year old play a shooting game with a realistic gun???
This level of negligence is staggering to me.
I hope the police aren't just investigating manslaughter, but also a possible homicide.
I hate to accuse parents who have just lost a child of murder, but all we have to go on from what I see is their testimony of what happened, and everything just seems a bit too convenient.
Either both parents are criminally incompetent, or this was less of an accident than we are led to believe, based on what we know now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438566</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>CraftyJack</author>
	<datestamp>1268326320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control.</p></div><p>And they know this how?  Did they ask her afterward? FTFA: </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Cheyenne's mother told police officers that the child was used to playing a shooting game with the Nintendo Wii video game console and likely confused the real gun with the realistic-looking black toy gun, the sheriff said.</p> </div><p>Nope.  This is a pretty lame attempt to shift some of the blame off of the parents.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control.And they know this how ?
Did they ask her afterward ?
FTFA : Cheyenne 's mother told police officers that the child was used to playing a shooting game with the Nintendo Wii video game console and likely confused the real gun with the realistic-looking black toy gun , the sheriff said .
Nope. This is a pretty lame attempt to shift some of the blame off of the parents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control.And they know this how?
Did they ask her afterward?
FTFA: Cheyenne's mother told police officers that the child was used to playing a shooting game with the Nintendo Wii video game console and likely confused the real gun with the realistic-looking black toy gun, the sheriff said.
Nope.  This is a pretty lame attempt to shift some of the blame off of the parents.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438616</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1268326500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, because parents have NEVER been known to recklessly endanger or deliberately kill their own children?</p><p>After reading TFA, I have the same suspicions that Eldavojohn does; I won't be surprised if one or both parents conspired to rid themselves of a child they perceived as damaged or otherwise a burden they didn't want to bear. At the very least this guy was a freaking whackjob who went out of his way to obtain a game controller that was a much more lifelike replica of a real weapon than any game controller needs to be... so lifelike in fact that the child's own mother sitting three feet away couldn't tell the real thing from the controller.  Also, the man was the child's <b>stepfather</b>: in the wild kingdom males are known to kill their female's offspring not sired by themselves, in order to increase the dominance of their own seed.  Some humans truly are still that animalistic.</p><p>At the very least this incident is the parental version of a Darwin Award, and at worst a despicable premeditated act, or conspiracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , because parents have NEVER been known to recklessly endanger or deliberately kill their own children ? After reading TFA , I have the same suspicions that Eldavojohn does ; I wo n't be surprised if one or both parents conspired to rid themselves of a child they perceived as damaged or otherwise a burden they did n't want to bear .
At the very least this guy was a freaking whackjob who went out of his way to obtain a game controller that was a much more lifelike replica of a real weapon than any game controller needs to be... so lifelike in fact that the child 's own mother sitting three feet away could n't tell the real thing from the controller .
Also , the man was the child 's stepfather : in the wild kingdom males are known to kill their female 's offspring not sired by themselves , in order to increase the dominance of their own seed .
Some humans truly are still that animalistic.At the very least this incident is the parental version of a Darwin Award , and at worst a despicable premeditated act , or conspiracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, because parents have NEVER been known to recklessly endanger or deliberately kill their own children?After reading TFA, I have the same suspicions that Eldavojohn does; I won't be surprised if one or both parents conspired to rid themselves of a child they perceived as damaged or otherwise a burden they didn't want to bear.
At the very least this guy was a freaking whackjob who went out of his way to obtain a game controller that was a much more lifelike replica of a real weapon than any game controller needs to be... so lifelike in fact that the child's own mother sitting three feet away couldn't tell the real thing from the controller.
Also, the man was the child's stepfather: in the wild kingdom males are known to kill their female's offspring not sired by themselves, in order to increase the dominance of their own seed.
Some humans truly are still that animalistic.At the very least this incident is the parental version of a Darwin Award, and at worst a despicable premeditated act, or conspiracy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438072</id>
	<title>Gun was owned by STEPfather, not father.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Divorced guys know ALL about this scenario.</p><p>The ex's new boyfriend doesn't have the fact that they are his kids programmed into him 24/7</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Divorced guys know ALL about this scenario.The ex 's new boyfriend does n't have the fact that they are his kids programmed into him 24/7</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Divorced guys know ALL about this scenario.The ex's new boyfriend doesn't have the fact that they are his kids programmed into him 24/7</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440582</id>
	<title>Horrible.</title>
	<author>Tiger Smile</author>
	<datestamp>1268333160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What part of this is right? Having a loaded gun in the house with a 3 year old? An unsupervised 3 year old? A 3 year old playing video games? Horrible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What part of this is right ?
Having a loaded gun in the house with a 3 year old ?
An unsupervised 3 year old ?
A 3 year old playing video games ?
Horrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What part of this is right?
Having a loaded gun in the house with a 3 year old?
An unsupervised 3 year old?
A 3 year old playing video games?
Horrible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440082</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a list</title>
	<author>Alpha Soixante-Neuf</author>
	<datestamp>1268331120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was of the opinion that charges were not necessary, because this has its own punishment, so thank you for pointing out point number 1. No matter what, this guy has to have some legal consequences to ensure he's lost all privileges to own a gun. That's an absolute must in my mind. <br> <br>
I'm not sure I agree with the rest, at least without knowing more facts about the case. He certainly appears to be too stupid to raise children, but I'd have to be certain of a lot more before I would try to make that happen legally and I certainly wouldn't bring charges to increase media coverage alone. Still, if this man doesn't lose all gun ownership privileges because of this then something is very wrong. I agree that any punishment can't come close to what this family has already had to bear, but they do need to be protected from themselves for the future as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was of the opinion that charges were not necessary , because this has its own punishment , so thank you for pointing out point number 1 .
No matter what , this guy has to have some legal consequences to ensure he 's lost all privileges to own a gun .
That 's an absolute must in my mind .
I 'm not sure I agree with the rest , at least without knowing more facts about the case .
He certainly appears to be too stupid to raise children , but I 'd have to be certain of a lot more before I would try to make that happen legally and I certainly would n't bring charges to increase media coverage alone .
Still , if this man does n't lose all gun ownership privileges because of this then something is very wrong .
I agree that any punishment ca n't come close to what this family has already had to bear , but they do need to be protected from themselves for the future as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was of the opinion that charges were not necessary, because this has its own punishment, so thank you for pointing out point number 1.
No matter what, this guy has to have some legal consequences to ensure he's lost all privileges to own a gun.
That's an absolute must in my mind.
I'm not sure I agree with the rest, at least without knowing more facts about the case.
He certainly appears to be too stupid to raise children, but I'd have to be certain of a lot more before I would try to make that happen legally and I certainly wouldn't bring charges to increase media coverage alone.
Still, if this man doesn't lose all gun ownership privileges because of this then something is very wrong.
I agree that any punishment can't come close to what this family has already had to bear, but they do need to be protected from themselves for the future as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439460</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1268329080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, for one, ensuring no repeat performance in the same household?</p><p>Sorry, but one of the consequences of handling a firearm negligently is that, regardless of other punishments, you have demonstrated that you lack the necessary sense of responsibility to do so again.  The tragedy of losing a stepchild may or may not be enough punishment, I don't know the dude and I don't know whether he is remorseful about it.  But assuming he is, there's still the preventative aspect to consider.</p><p>Any license to carry a firearm should be revoked, at the very least, pending an investigation, and his firearms should be removed from his control until that investigation is complete.  That is a very reasonable preventative, not punitive, step.  Depending on the outcome of that investigation, he might have his right to possess firearms reinstated, or he might not.  As a parent, I'm gonna go with "not".  As a believer in the right to carry firearms, I'm gonna go with "not".  As a firm believer in the rule of law, I'm gonna go with "let a jury decide based on the actual facts that I don't have right now, and meanwhile I'll hope for 'not'".</p><p>This isn't an "oopsie!  Lesson learned!  Sorry!" kind of incident.  This is a "someone made a big mistake and we need to reexamine whether he's likely to repeat that mistake" kind of incident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , for one , ensuring no repeat performance in the same household ? Sorry , but one of the consequences of handling a firearm negligently is that , regardless of other punishments , you have demonstrated that you lack the necessary sense of responsibility to do so again .
The tragedy of losing a stepchild may or may not be enough punishment , I do n't know the dude and I do n't know whether he is remorseful about it .
But assuming he is , there 's still the preventative aspect to consider.Any license to carry a firearm should be revoked , at the very least , pending an investigation , and his firearms should be removed from his control until that investigation is complete .
That is a very reasonable preventative , not punitive , step .
Depending on the outcome of that investigation , he might have his right to possess firearms reinstated , or he might not .
As a parent , I 'm gon na go with " not " .
As a believer in the right to carry firearms , I 'm gon na go with " not " .
As a firm believer in the rule of law , I 'm gon na go with " let a jury decide based on the actual facts that I do n't have right now , and meanwhile I 'll hope for 'not ' " .This is n't an " oopsie !
Lesson learned !
Sorry ! " kind of incident .
This is a " someone made a big mistake and we need to reexamine whether he 's likely to repeat that mistake " kind of incident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, for one, ensuring no repeat performance in the same household?Sorry, but one of the consequences of handling a firearm negligently is that, regardless of other punishments, you have demonstrated that you lack the necessary sense of responsibility to do so again.
The tragedy of losing a stepchild may or may not be enough punishment, I don't know the dude and I don't know whether he is remorseful about it.
But assuming he is, there's still the preventative aspect to consider.Any license to carry a firearm should be revoked, at the very least, pending an investigation, and his firearms should be removed from his control until that investigation is complete.
That is a very reasonable preventative, not punitive, step.
Depending on the outcome of that investigation, he might have his right to possess firearms reinstated, or he might not.
As a parent, I'm gonna go with "not".
As a believer in the right to carry firearms, I'm gonna go with "not".
As a firm believer in the rule of law, I'm gonna go with "let a jury decide based on the actual facts that I don't have right now, and meanwhile I'll hope for 'not'".This isn't an "oopsie!
Lesson learned!
Sorry!" kind of incident.
This is a "someone made a big mistake and we need to reexamine whether he's likely to repeat that mistake" kind of incident.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439158</id>
	<title>Guns don't kill people, dumbasses do.</title>
	<author>selquest</author>
	<datestamp>1268328120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have kids yet myself, but I do own several guns.  I grew up in a household with guns.  My father grew up in a household with guns.  My mother grew up in a household with guns.  Three of my grandparents grew up in households with guns.  The other thing all these households had in common was gun safety.  As a small child, I never saw any of my family's guns left unsecured outside the direct control of an adult.  Even before I was old enough to be shooting/hunting, gun safety was paramount.  All of my father's guns had trigger locks and were kept in safes.  The ammunition was never stored with the gun (and they were never loaded, and CERTAINLY never had a round chambered... "the bullet doesn't go in the gun until you intend to use it"), and was itself locked up well out of the reach of any children.  There was a gun kept in my parents' bedroom, but it was similarly locked, secured, and unloaded.  I was taught gun safety, my younger sister was taught gun safety.  Any time other children were over, the last step before they came was always a security check on all the guns, and making sure nothing was in view that might get kids even curious about the presence of guns.  None of us has ever had an issue (and by the way, I'm a big fan of shooter and other video games including violence, and I never confused my duck hunt gun with any of the real guns lying around, so that's just absurd).</p><p>When (responsible) parents have toddlers around the house they go through great pains to make sure kitchen sinks are locked, glassware and other breakables are well out of reach, and any of the countless other hazardous and quite potentially lethal things are inaccessible to children.  The carving knife in the wood block on the counter is a good analog, and we don't hear nearly as many stories of children hurting themselves with them.  Why don't parents take the same precautions with guns?  This isn't about the child thinking it's a toy, this was about the parent (ok, step-parent) thinking it was a toy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have kids yet myself , but I do own several guns .
I grew up in a household with guns .
My father grew up in a household with guns .
My mother grew up in a household with guns .
Three of my grandparents grew up in households with guns .
The other thing all these households had in common was gun safety .
As a small child , I never saw any of my family 's guns left unsecured outside the direct control of an adult .
Even before I was old enough to be shooting/hunting , gun safety was paramount .
All of my father 's guns had trigger locks and were kept in safes .
The ammunition was never stored with the gun ( and they were never loaded , and CERTAINLY never had a round chambered... " the bullet does n't go in the gun until you intend to use it " ) , and was itself locked up well out of the reach of any children .
There was a gun kept in my parents ' bedroom , but it was similarly locked , secured , and unloaded .
I was taught gun safety , my younger sister was taught gun safety .
Any time other children were over , the last step before they came was always a security check on all the guns , and making sure nothing was in view that might get kids even curious about the presence of guns .
None of us has ever had an issue ( and by the way , I 'm a big fan of shooter and other video games including violence , and I never confused my duck hunt gun with any of the real guns lying around , so that 's just absurd ) .When ( responsible ) parents have toddlers around the house they go through great pains to make sure kitchen sinks are locked , glassware and other breakables are well out of reach , and any of the countless other hazardous and quite potentially lethal things are inaccessible to children .
The carving knife in the wood block on the counter is a good analog , and we do n't hear nearly as many stories of children hurting themselves with them .
Why do n't parents take the same precautions with guns ?
This is n't about the child thinking it 's a toy , this was about the parent ( ok , step-parent ) thinking it was a toy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have kids yet myself, but I do own several guns.
I grew up in a household with guns.
My father grew up in a household with guns.
My mother grew up in a household with guns.
Three of my grandparents grew up in households with guns.
The other thing all these households had in common was gun safety.
As a small child, I never saw any of my family's guns left unsecured outside the direct control of an adult.
Even before I was old enough to be shooting/hunting, gun safety was paramount.
All of my father's guns had trigger locks and were kept in safes.
The ammunition was never stored with the gun (and they were never loaded, and CERTAINLY never had a round chambered... "the bullet doesn't go in the gun until you intend to use it"), and was itself locked up well out of the reach of any children.
There was a gun kept in my parents' bedroom, but it was similarly locked, secured, and unloaded.
I was taught gun safety, my younger sister was taught gun safety.
Any time other children were over, the last step before they came was always a security check on all the guns, and making sure nothing was in view that might get kids even curious about the presence of guns.
None of us has ever had an issue (and by the way, I'm a big fan of shooter and other video games including violence, and I never confused my duck hunt gun with any of the real guns lying around, so that's just absurd).When (responsible) parents have toddlers around the house they go through great pains to make sure kitchen sinks are locked, glassware and other breakables are well out of reach, and any of the countless other hazardous and quite potentially lethal things are inaccessible to children.
The carving knife in the wood block on the counter is a good analog, and we don't hear nearly as many stories of children hurting themselves with them.
Why don't parents take the same precautions with guns?
This isn't about the child thinking it's a toy, this was about the parent (ok, step-parent) thinking it was a toy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440252</id>
	<title>Punish the child</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268331900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course the liberals want to punish the step father and mother for exercising their God-given, American right to do whatever the f**k they want to do, whenever they want, regardless of the consequences.</p><p>What if a burglar had come in and the 3 year old had shot the criminal?  Well, that'd be a much nicer story that the NRA could hang their hat on.</p><p>No, instead she decides to become a poster-girl for tha anti-gun, obama-facsists.  This child needs to be punished in some way, but of course, she took the easy way out and avoided the consequences of her actions... typical liberal.</p><p>Was the gun hers?  No.  Therefore, she got what was coming.</p><p>Case closed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course the liberals want to punish the step father and mother for exercising their God-given , American right to do whatever the f * * k they want to do , whenever they want , regardless of the consequences.What if a burglar had come in and the 3 year old had shot the criminal ?
Well , that 'd be a much nicer story that the NRA could hang their hat on.No , instead she decides to become a poster-girl for tha anti-gun , obama-facsists .
This child needs to be punished in some way , but of course , she took the easy way out and avoided the consequences of her actions... typical liberal.Was the gun hers ?
No. Therefore , she got what was coming.Case closed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course the liberals want to punish the step father and mother for exercising their God-given, American right to do whatever the f**k they want to do, whenever they want, regardless of the consequences.What if a burglar had come in and the 3 year old had shot the criminal?
Well, that'd be a much nicer story that the NRA could hang their hat on.No, instead she decides to become a poster-girl for tha anti-gun, obama-facsists.
This child needs to be punished in some way, but of course, she took the easy way out and avoided the consequences of her actions... typical liberal.Was the gun hers?
No.  Therefore, she got what was coming.Case closed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437610</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268323860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.</i></p><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun. I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.</p><p>I'd also betting his marriage is over. Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child .
I would n't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally , with the same gun .
I ca n't imagine how much this guy 's hurting right now.I 'd also betting his marriage is over .
Yes , charges of child endangerment could be filed , but no punishment is going to change anything ; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he 's done to himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.
I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun.
I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.I'd also betting his marriage is over.
Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438018</id>
	<title>Re:Radiation...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268325060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND????</i></p><p>Idiots, obviously. A Jeff Foxworthy quote: A redneck's famous last words: "Hey, Billy Bob, watch this!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open , ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND ? ? ?
? Idiots , obviously .
A Jeff Foxworthy quote : A redneck 's famous last words : " Hey , Billy Bob , watch this !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND???
?Idiots, obviously.
A Jeff Foxworthy quote: A redneck's famous last words: "Hey, Billy Bob, watch this!
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440320</id>
	<title>This is why I don't have *any* toy guns...</title>
	<author>Kymermosst</author>
	<datestamp>1268332140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have daughter a bit younger than the girl in question.  I also happen to own several firearms which spend the vast majority of their time locked up in a safe.</p><p>I do not have ANY toy guns in the house.  Period.  Precisely for this reason.  That includes my Wii for which I would find shooting games fun.</p><p>This is a mistake preventable on a number of levels.  Loaded firearms should either be on your person or locked up, never anywhere in between.   And, no gun is a toy until a child is able to understand the difference between the two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have daughter a bit younger than the girl in question .
I also happen to own several firearms which spend the vast majority of their time locked up in a safe.I do not have ANY toy guns in the house .
Period. Precisely for this reason .
That includes my Wii for which I would find shooting games fun.This is a mistake preventable on a number of levels .
Loaded firearms should either be on your person or locked up , never anywhere in between .
And , no gun is a toy until a child is able to understand the difference between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have daughter a bit younger than the girl in question.
I also happen to own several firearms which spend the vast majority of their time locked up in a safe.I do not have ANY toy guns in the house.
Period.  Precisely for this reason.
That includes my Wii for which I would find shooting games fun.This is a mistake preventable on a number of levels.
Loaded firearms should either be on your person or locked up, never anywhere in between.
And, no gun is a toy until a child is able to understand the difference between the two.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437542</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>reiver102</author>
	<datestamp>1268323620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...while it is the parents' responsibility to keep dangerous weapons away from children, it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar.  Sadly, it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possible.  In this case, impossible to blame one without blaming the other, but in the end, blame is pointless, as it won't bring their child back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...while it is the parents ' responsibility to keep dangerous weapons away from children , it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar .
Sadly , it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possible .
In this case , impossible to blame one without blaming the other , but in the end , blame is pointless , as it wo n't bring their child back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...while it is the parents' responsibility to keep dangerous weapons away from children, it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar.
Sadly, it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possible.
In this case, impossible to blame one without blaming the other, but in the end, blame is pointless, as it won't bring their child back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439988</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really? A toddler pulling the trigger of a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380? A toddler?</p><p>I smell bullshit.</p></div><p>also adding to the negligence of an anti-gun biased media-they forget to mention the weapon is a DAO which means long-ass heavy trigger pull. I have a hard time staying on target with 380 DAo's because the effort and length of travel causes me to point off a bit. So a three year old girl, the size of the neighbor we babysit occasionally, who has trouble with the trigger on a Nerf gun and super soaker, managed to a) point the thing at her head and B) successfully pull the trigger all the way back and fire while holding it backwards?</p><p>I could understand more if she'd shot the TV since it was supposed to be a "wii controller" but this whole thing stinks of a lot of "exploit the tragedy for the anti-gun agenda" and less of "simple stupid negligent parents" who need to be dealt with strongly as negligent homicide or manslaughter as determined by the DA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380 ?
A toddler ? I smell bullshit.also adding to the negligence of an anti-gun biased media-they forget to mention the weapon is a DAO which means long-ass heavy trigger pull .
I have a hard time staying on target with 380 DAo 's because the effort and length of travel causes me to point off a bit .
So a three year old girl , the size of the neighbor we babysit occasionally , who has trouble with the trigger on a Nerf gun and super soaker , managed to a ) point the thing at her head and B ) successfully pull the trigger all the way back and fire while holding it backwards ? I could understand more if she 'd shot the TV since it was supposed to be a " wii controller " but this whole thing stinks of a lot of " exploit the tragedy for the anti-gun agenda " and less of " simple stupid negligent parents " who need to be dealt with strongly as negligent homicide or manslaughter as determined by the DA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380?
A toddler?I smell bullshit.also adding to the negligence of an anti-gun biased media-they forget to mention the weapon is a DAO which means long-ass heavy trigger pull.
I have a hard time staying on target with 380 DAo's because the effort and length of travel causes me to point off a bit.
So a three year old girl, the size of the neighbor we babysit occasionally, who has trouble with the trigger on a Nerf gun and super soaker, managed to a) point the thing at her head and B) successfully pull the trigger all the way back and fire while holding it backwards?I could understand more if she'd shot the TV since it was supposed to be a "wii controller" but this whole thing stinks of a lot of "exploit the tragedy for the anti-gun agenda" and less of "simple stupid negligent parents" who need to be dealt with strongly as negligent homicide or manslaughter as determined by the DA.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438760</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>schon</author>
	<datestamp>1268326860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you a parent?</p></div><p>I am.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.</p></div><p>I don't give a fuck about how bad he feels.  He needs to be prevented from doing the same shit again.</p><p>He's an idiot who is guilty of criminal negligence causing death.  Just because he "feels bad" doesn't mean he'll learn.  You can't fix stupid.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun.</p></div><p>Speaking as someone who has suffered with depression and attempted suicide myself, I don't think this would be a bad thing - at least then he won't be able to endanger anyone else.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd also betting his marriage is over.</p></div><p>Then you didn't read the article.  The child's mother <b>defended</b> him.   (And it's important to note that it was *her* daughter, not his - he was the child's stepfather.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything</p></div><p>You could not be more wrong.  If we was prosecuted and convicted, he would lose the right to carry or possess a firearm.  That would <b>definitely</b> change something - the chance that this might happen again.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.</p></div><p>It's not about punishment, it's about prevention.  The state has a chance to prevent this moron from endangering any other children in the same way.  It outrages me that they're not taking it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Are you a parent ? I am.There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.I do n't give a fuck about how bad he feels .
He needs to be prevented from doing the same shit again.He 's an idiot who is guilty of criminal negligence causing death .
Just because he " feels bad " does n't mean he 'll learn .
You ca n't fix stupid.I would n't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally , with the same gun.Speaking as someone who has suffered with depression and attempted suicide myself , I do n't think this would be a bad thing - at least then he wo n't be able to endanger anyone else.I 'd also betting his marriage is over.Then you did n't read the article .
The child 's mother defended him .
( And it 's important to note that it was * her * daughter , not his - he was the child 's stepfather .
) Yes , charges of child endangerment could be filed , but no punishment is going to change anythingYou could not be more wrong .
If we was prosecuted and convicted , he would lose the right to carry or possess a firearm .
That would definitely change something - the chance that this might happen again.no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he 's done to himself.It 's not about punishment , it 's about prevention .
The state has a chance to prevent this moron from endangering any other children in the same way .
It outrages me that they 're not taking it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?I am.There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.I don't give a fuck about how bad he feels.
He needs to be prevented from doing the same shit again.He's an idiot who is guilty of criminal negligence causing death.
Just because he "feels bad" doesn't mean he'll learn.
You can't fix stupid.I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun.Speaking as someone who has suffered with depression and attempted suicide myself, I don't think this would be a bad thing - at least then he won't be able to endanger anyone else.I'd also betting his marriage is over.Then you didn't read the article.
The child's mother defended him.
(And it's important to note that it was *her* daughter, not his - he was the child's stepfather.
)Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anythingYou could not be more wrong.
If we was prosecuted and convicted, he would lose the right to carry or possess a firearm.
That would definitely change something - the chance that this might happen again.no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.It's not about punishment, it's about prevention.
The state has a chance to prevent this moron from endangering any other children in the same way.
It outrages me that they're not taking it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437620</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How would he be able to predict she would shoot herself?  A gun is heavier then a Wii controller by a lot and a Wii controller has all sorts of give ways as to what it is.  To me it smells like an accident personally.  People are not that bright and forget things constantly.</p><p>I do believe the police would be able to sniff out something like this right away, the first thing they suspect are the people closest to the family, if not family members themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How would he be able to predict she would shoot herself ?
A gun is heavier then a Wii controller by a lot and a Wii controller has all sorts of give ways as to what it is .
To me it smells like an accident personally .
People are not that bright and forget things constantly.I do believe the police would be able to sniff out something like this right away , the first thing they suspect are the people closest to the family , if not family members themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would he be able to predict she would shoot herself?
A gun is heavier then a Wii controller by a lot and a Wii controller has all sorts of give ways as to what it is.
To me it smells like an accident personally.
People are not that bright and forget things constantly.I do believe the police would be able to sniff out something like this right away, the first thing they suspect are the people closest to the family, if not family members themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439326</id>
	<title>Re:I smell a lawsuit...</title>
	<author>canajin56</author>
	<datestamp>1268328600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, there are laws about that.  That's why the step-father had to go to eBay and snag an imported one from China where there are no such laws about toy guns.  It's certainly not suspicious at all that he'd go so far out of his way to buy an illegally realistic toy gun for his step daughter, then replace it with a real loaded pistol on the coffee table.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , there are laws about that .
That 's why the step-father had to go to eBay and snag an imported one from China where there are no such laws about toy guns .
It 's certainly not suspicious at all that he 'd go so far out of his way to buy an illegally realistic toy gun for his step daughter , then replace it with a real loaded pistol on the coffee table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, there are laws about that.
That's why the step-father had to go to eBay and snag an imported one from China where there are no such laws about toy guns.
It's certainly not suspicious at all that he'd go so far out of his way to buy an illegally realistic toy gun for his step daughter, then replace it with a real loaded pistol on the coffee table.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438516</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>physicsphairy</author>
	<datestamp>1268326260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.</p></div><p>You say that based on (let's generously say) 99\% of all cases.  But what about that 1\% of cases where Daddy, or Mommy, or both are psychopaths?

</p><p>Do we leave open that get-out-of-jail-free card where all they have to do is say, "Timmy, point this at yourself and pull the trigger, will you?" and have a happy consequence free murder?

</p><p>Basically what you are arguing is that there should never be any punishment for manslaughter, as the vast majority of healthy-thinking individuals would be pretty torn up about having killed someone.

</p><p>But societal punishment has more nuanced aims than simply to provide a minimum assurance that people with functioning consciences will not want to repeat their mistakes.

</p><p>Also,</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun. I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.</p></div><p>If that's the way he feels, maybe having an imposed punishment would free him of the need to punish himself, and ultimately give him some peace.</p></div>
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<tokenext>no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he 's done to himself.You say that based on ( let 's generously say ) 99 \ % of all cases .
But what about that 1 \ % of cases where Daddy , or Mommy , or both are psychopaths ?
Do we leave open that get-out-of-jail-free card where all they have to do is say , " Timmy , point this at yourself and pull the trigger , will you ?
" and have a happy consequence free murder ?
Basically what you are arguing is that there should never be any punishment for manslaughter , as the vast majority of healthy-thinking individuals would be pretty torn up about having killed someone .
But societal punishment has more nuanced aims than simply to provide a minimum assurance that people with functioning consciences will not want to repeat their mistakes .
Also,I would n't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally , with the same gun .
I ca n't imagine how much this guy 's hurting right now.If that 's the way he feels , maybe having an imposed punishment would free him of the need to punish himself , and ultimately give him some peace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.You say that based on (let's generously say) 99\% of all cases.
But what about that 1\% of cases where Daddy, or Mommy, or both are psychopaths?
Do we leave open that get-out-of-jail-free card where all they have to do is say, "Timmy, point this at yourself and pull the trigger, will you?
" and have a happy consequence free murder?
Basically what you are arguing is that there should never be any punishment for manslaughter, as the vast majority of healthy-thinking individuals would be pretty torn up about having killed someone.
But societal punishment has more nuanced aims than simply to provide a minimum assurance that people with functioning consciences will not want to repeat their mistakes.
Also,I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun.
I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.If that's the way he feels, maybe having an imposed punishment would free him of the need to punish himself, and ultimately give him some peace.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437552</id>
	<title>If guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns...</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1268323680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and if guns stay legal only extreme asshats like this guy own a gun and think their children are any safer.<br>
Just because something makes you 'feel' better does not make it better. And a gun might make you feel more secure and make your dick feel 5 inches longer but the sad truth is that statistically it is more likely the other way around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and if guns stay legal only extreme asshats like this guy own a gun and think their children are any safer .
Just because something makes you 'feel ' better does not make it better .
And a gun might make you feel more secure and make your dick feel 5 inches longer but the sad truth is that statistically it is more likely the other way around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and if guns stay legal only extreme asshats like this guy own a gun and think their children are any safer.
Just because something makes you 'feel' better does not make it better.
And a gun might make you feel more secure and make your dick feel 5 inches longer but the sad truth is that statistically it is more likely the other way around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439504</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1268329200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller.</i></p><p>To the extent that they can tell it's colder and heavier, sure. Probably not to the extent that they can reason "this is a device that will cause me to die".</p><p><i>Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns doesn't know that you don't point it at yourself.</i></p><p>I really doubt that she spent those three years <i>interacting</i> with firearms. For much of that time, she would've been learning to effectively interact with food and simple inanimate objects. Even if she'd spent the whole time on a gun range and not simply living with an individual who, against all common sense, has been given a firearm, I don't think she could've made the cognative leap at that developmental stage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun , and a lightweight plastic controller.To the extent that they can tell it 's colder and heavier , sure .
Probably not to the extent that they can reason " this is a device that will cause me to die " .Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns does n't know that you do n't point it at yourself.I really doubt that she spent those three years interacting with firearms .
For much of that time , she would 've been learning to effectively interact with food and simple inanimate objects .
Even if she 'd spent the whole time on a gun range and not simply living with an individual who , against all common sense , has been given a firearm , I do n't think she could 've made the cognative leap at that developmental stage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller.To the extent that they can tell it's colder and heavier, sure.
Probably not to the extent that they can reason "this is a device that will cause me to die".Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns doesn't know that you don't point it at yourself.I really doubt that she spent those three years interacting with firearms.
For much of that time, she would've been learning to effectively interact with food and simple inanimate objects.
Even if she'd spent the whole time on a gun range and not simply living with an individual who, against all common sense, has been given a firearm, I don't think she could've made the cognative leap at that developmental stage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31448682</id>
	<title>Yeah, ok. Uh, what?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1268329500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There isn't a single thing which makes sense about this situation.</p><p>1) Most 3-y-o children can't pull a firearm trigger. I've got two children, and neither could do so at 3 (because I wanted to see what they'd be capable of, not that I'd leave such things in their reach). They're not able to get their hands around the trigger, nevermind exert enough pressure for most triggers. Unless we're talking about a hair trigger (you won't find them on a non-custom handgun). The handgun was likely a S&amp;W Sigma (by its description in the article, but the media is even worse about reporting gun related stuff than they are technology and science), which does -not- have a light trigger (it's known for having a heavy, gritty trigger, even for a handgun).<br>2) How did a 3-year-old mistake a real gun for a Wii controller, given it looks <i>nothing like anything Nintendo has made in over 20 years</i>?<br>3)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... in the head?<br>4)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... while her mother was nearby - if not watching, but at least present?</p><p>Also, <a href="http://images.google.com/images?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;tbs=isch:1&amp;sa=1&amp;q=s\%26w+.380+sigma&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;start=0" title="google.com">take a look</a> [google.com] at the GIS for the likely gun in question. It is, for all intents and purposes, too large for some adolescents and many women.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is n't a single thing which makes sense about this situation.1 ) Most 3-y-o children ca n't pull a firearm trigger .
I 've got two children , and neither could do so at 3 ( because I wanted to see what they 'd be capable of , not that I 'd leave such things in their reach ) .
They 're not able to get their hands around the trigger , nevermind exert enough pressure for most triggers .
Unless we 're talking about a hair trigger ( you wo n't find them on a non-custom handgun ) .
The handgun was likely a S&amp;W Sigma ( by its description in the article , but the media is even worse about reporting gun related stuff than they are technology and science ) , which does -not- have a light trigger ( it 's known for having a heavy , gritty trigger , even for a handgun ) .2 ) How did a 3-year-old mistake a real gun for a Wii controller , given it looks nothing like anything Nintendo has made in over 20 years ? 3 ) ... in the head ? 4 ) ... while her mother was nearby - if not watching , but at least present ? Also , take a look [ google.com ] at the GIS for the likely gun in question .
It is , for all intents and purposes , too large for some adolescents and many women .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There isn't a single thing which makes sense about this situation.1) Most 3-y-o children can't pull a firearm trigger.
I've got two children, and neither could do so at 3 (because I wanted to see what they'd be capable of, not that I'd leave such things in their reach).
They're not able to get their hands around the trigger, nevermind exert enough pressure for most triggers.
Unless we're talking about a hair trigger (you won't find them on a non-custom handgun).
The handgun was likely a S&amp;W Sigma (by its description in the article, but the media is even worse about reporting gun related stuff than they are technology and science), which does -not- have a light trigger (it's known for having a heavy, gritty trigger, even for a handgun).2) How did a 3-year-old mistake a real gun for a Wii controller, given it looks nothing like anything Nintendo has made in over 20 years?3) ... in the head?4) ... while her mother was nearby - if not watching, but at least present?Also, take a look [google.com] at the GIS for the likely gun in question.
It is, for all intents and purposes, too large for some adolescents and many women.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438106</id>
	<title>Re:Law Suit in 3-2-1...</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1268325240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Nintendo better get a good lawyer. You know they are going to sue.</i></p><p>No case.  The controller in question was an aftermarket add-on supplied by a dubious chinese company that nobody's ever heard of, who would presumably shrug any lawsuit off and just ignore it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nintendo better get a good lawyer .
You know they are going to sue.No case .
The controller in question was an aftermarket add-on supplied by a dubious chinese company that nobody 's ever heard of , who would presumably shrug any lawsuit off and just ignore it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nintendo better get a good lawyer.
You know they are going to sue.No case.
The controller in question was an aftermarket add-on supplied by a dubious chinese company that nobody's ever heard of, who would presumably shrug any lawsuit off and just ignore it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31442066</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Faerunner</author>
	<datestamp>1268338860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why are we ignoring the mother? You know, the one who was 3 feet from her daughter when this happened? Yes, the stepfather left the gun out. If you were in the household would you expect the second adult there to simply shut up and wait for the gun owner to put it away? If it were me, I'd have said something if not put it away myself.

<br> <br>If you want to punish one parent, might as well punish both. Honestly, I wouldn't let them sit in jail - as parent post said they are both probably in a world of hurt right now, if they cared at all about the child. I'd put them in parental counseling though, and remove the 1 year old to a responsible relative for a while until the parents were over their grief and ready to resume care. There is little worse than being in the position of being a child, especially one so young who needs a lot of care and attention, in a home which has just lost a loved one. Even the death of an older adult can cause parents to suffer from depression and stop properly caring for their kids; losing a child is immeasurably painful and can cause serious issues with caring for other dependents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are we ignoring the mother ?
You know , the one who was 3 feet from her daughter when this happened ?
Yes , the stepfather left the gun out .
If you were in the household would you expect the second adult there to simply shut up and wait for the gun owner to put it away ?
If it were me , I 'd have said something if not put it away myself .
If you want to punish one parent , might as well punish both .
Honestly , I would n't let them sit in jail - as parent post said they are both probably in a world of hurt right now , if they cared at all about the child .
I 'd put them in parental counseling though , and remove the 1 year old to a responsible relative for a while until the parents were over their grief and ready to resume care .
There is little worse than being in the position of being a child , especially one so young who needs a lot of care and attention , in a home which has just lost a loved one .
Even the death of an older adult can cause parents to suffer from depression and stop properly caring for their kids ; losing a child is immeasurably painful and can cause serious issues with caring for other dependents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are we ignoring the mother?
You know, the one who was 3 feet from her daughter when this happened?
Yes, the stepfather left the gun out.
If you were in the household would you expect the second adult there to simply shut up and wait for the gun owner to put it away?
If it were me, I'd have said something if not put it away myself.
If you want to punish one parent, might as well punish both.
Honestly, I wouldn't let them sit in jail - as parent post said they are both probably in a world of hurt right now, if they cared at all about the child.
I'd put them in parental counseling though, and remove the 1 year old to a responsible relative for a while until the parents were over their grief and ready to resume care.
There is little worse than being in the position of being a child, especially one so young who needs a lot of care and attention, in a home which has just lost a loved one.
Even the death of an older adult can cause parents to suffer from depression and stop properly caring for their kids; losing a child is immeasurably painful and can cause serious issues with caring for other dependents.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437792</id>
	<title>Suspicious story</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems clear the family were a bunch of gun-nuts. They purposly sought out a realistic looking gun controller for use a by a 3 year old, when all the quality stuff in normal shops is made of white plastic and looks nothing like a real gun.
</p><p>Then they leave a real gun, with the safety of, loaded through, ready to fire on a table with a kid.
</p><p>What part of this doesn't shout dysfunctional family to you? But don't worry, the lawyer will blame all this on video games.
</p><p>And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are, because they ain't as nutty as this guy was. Nope, they are responsible gun nuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems clear the family were a bunch of gun-nuts .
They purposly sought out a realistic looking gun controller for use a by a 3 year old , when all the quality stuff in normal shops is made of white plastic and looks nothing like a real gun .
Then they leave a real gun , with the safety of , loaded through , ready to fire on a table with a kid .
What part of this does n't shout dysfunctional family to you ?
But do n't worry , the lawyer will blame all this on video games .
And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are , because they ai n't as nutty as this guy was .
Nope , they are responsible gun nuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems clear the family were a bunch of gun-nuts.
They purposly sought out a realistic looking gun controller for use a by a 3 year old, when all the quality stuff in normal shops is made of white plastic and looks nothing like a real gun.
Then they leave a real gun, with the safety of, loaded through, ready to fire on a table with a kid.
What part of this doesn't shout dysfunctional family to you?
But don't worry, the lawyer will blame all this on video games.
And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are, because they ain't as nutty as this guy was.
Nope, they are responsible gun nuts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31449026</id>
	<title>Credible deterent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Proper home defence requires a credible deterent.  That means a loaded and cocked (with safty off) gun under the pillow and on the coffee table at all times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Proper home defence requires a credible deterent .
That means a loaded and cocked ( with safty off ) gun under the pillow and on the coffee table at all times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Proper home defence requires a credible deterent.
That means a loaded and cocked (with safty off) gun under the pillow and on the coffee table at all times.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439890</id>
	<title>Is murder out of the question?</title>
	<author>walterbyrd</author>
	<datestamp>1268330400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to say it, but parents have been known to murder their young children, and I have to doubt that a three year old could easily operate a real gun. As another poster pointed out: the gun would not only have to be loaded, and within easy reach of a 3 year old, but most likely: the safety would have to be off, a round would have to chambered, and the the gun would have to be cocked as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say it , but parents have been known to murder their young children , and I have to doubt that a three year old could easily operate a real gun .
As another poster pointed out : the gun would not only have to be loaded , and within easy reach of a 3 year old , but most likely : the safety would have to be off , a round would have to chambered , and the the gun would have to be cocked as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say it, but parents have been known to murder their young children, and I have to doubt that a three year old could easily operate a real gun.
As another poster pointed out: the gun would not only have to be loaded, and within easy reach of a 3 year old, but most likely: the safety would have to be off, a round would have to chambered, and the the gun would have to be cocked as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438500</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>Mr. Foogle</author>
	<datestamp>1268326200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I shot my friend's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380 a few weeks ago: a 3-year old has more than enough strength to squeeze the trigger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I shot my friend 's .380 a few weeks ago : a 3-year old has more than enough strength to squeeze the trigger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I shot my friend's .380 a few weeks ago: a 3-year old has more than enough strength to squeeze the trigger.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438160</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>rednip</author>
	<datestamp>1268325360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They bought a controller specifically that looked like a real gun, so the 3 year old was used to handling it.  It would be interesting to know how many TVs are lost for the same reason.

It's a sad, sad story, the DA should take a long hard look at the guy, but throwing him in jail might not be the answer.  However at the very least he should be doing gun safety training for the rest of his miserable life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They bought a controller specifically that looked like a real gun , so the 3 year old was used to handling it .
It would be interesting to know how many TVs are lost for the same reason .
It 's a sad , sad story , the DA should take a long hard look at the guy , but throwing him in jail might not be the answer .
However at the very least he should be doing gun safety training for the rest of his miserable life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They bought a controller specifically that looked like a real gun, so the 3 year old was used to handling it.
It would be interesting to know how many TVs are lost for the same reason.
It's a sad, sad story, the DA should take a long hard look at the guy, but throwing him in jail might not be the answer.
However at the very least he should be doing gun safety training for the rest of his miserable life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443192</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268298840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.</i></p><p>Ok, I'll just stop you right there and inform you that unfortunately not every parent holds their children dear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.Ok , I 'll just stop you right there and inform you that unfortunately not every parent holds their children dear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.Ok, I'll just stop you right there and inform you that unfortunately not every parent holds their children dear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440454</id>
	<title>Hrm...</title>
	<author>j\_166</author>
	<datestamp>1268332680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something tells me they were doing it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something tells me they were doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something tells me they were doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31452672</id>
	<title>Re:As a responsible gun owner...</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1268414400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the overwhelming presence of guns in all kinds of media and culture, it's probably impossible to install a deterring reflex into a kids mind. Going back centuries kids have always played with toy weapons and even if they don't have a realistic replica the nearest stick or even their hand will do. And if you were to stop them playing with toys, you might as well extend it to video games and movies, even for sci-fi type weapons.<br>I don't think toys actually harm people's accordance to gun safety. Rather I think that gun safety is something that has to tought to everyone before they can get their hands near one. Guns are inherently unsafe, and if you give one to anbody who hasn't leant the basics then shit happens.<br>And despite being bombarded with gun images and toys from a very early age, I feel a sense of awe whenever I see one. That's just not going to happen when people have loaded firearms lying on their coffee tables all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the overwhelming presence of guns in all kinds of media and culture , it 's probably impossible to install a deterring reflex into a kids mind .
Going back centuries kids have always played with toy weapons and even if they do n't have a realistic replica the nearest stick or even their hand will do .
And if you were to stop them playing with toys , you might as well extend it to video games and movies , even for sci-fi type weapons.I do n't think toys actually harm people 's accordance to gun safety .
Rather I think that gun safety is something that has to tought to everyone before they can get their hands near one .
Guns are inherently unsafe , and if you give one to anbody who has n't leant the basics then shit happens.And despite being bombarded with gun images and toys from a very early age , I feel a sense of awe whenever I see one .
That 's just not going to happen when people have loaded firearms lying on their coffee tables all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the overwhelming presence of guns in all kinds of media and culture, it's probably impossible to install a deterring reflex into a kids mind.
Going back centuries kids have always played with toy weapons and even if they don't have a realistic replica the nearest stick or even their hand will do.
And if you were to stop them playing with toys, you might as well extend it to video games and movies, even for sci-fi type weapons.I don't think toys actually harm people's accordance to gun safety.
Rather I think that gun safety is something that has to tought to everyone before they can get their hands near one.
Guns are inherently unsafe, and if you give one to anbody who hasn't leant the basics then shit happens.And despite being bombarded with gun images and toys from a very early age, I feel a sense of awe whenever I see one.
That's just not going to happen when people have loaded firearms lying on their coffee tables all the time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438446</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Alwin Henseler</author>
	<datestamp>1268326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, after all this is Slashdot.... so: who wants the Nintendo?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , after all this is Slashdot.... so : who wants the Nintendo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, after all this is Slashdot.... so: who wants the Nintendo?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439162</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268328120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually the laws (regarding firearms, child endangerment, and wrongful death) are intended for this situation, among others. When there is evidence of a crime, the suspects should be charged as such. Whether or not the step-father feels guilty should not affect the indictment of such a suspect, especially when negligence is so apparant. If he is "hurting inside" then the jury can choose to take that into account during the trial or sentencing.</p><p>Commenters who have said that the step-father has been punished enough by the death of his step-child need to consider the other parties mourning the victim. The mother, father, and grandparents all suffered a great loss, and they, as well as society as a whole deserve and will likely demand that the step-father face additional consequences.</p><p>And besides, any case involving death deserves a thorough investigation, regardless of the fact that the mother and step-father have suffered a loss. The justice system cannot simply leave them alone and take their account of what happened as fact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the laws ( regarding firearms , child endangerment , and wrongful death ) are intended for this situation , among others .
When there is evidence of a crime , the suspects should be charged as such .
Whether or not the step-father feels guilty should not affect the indictment of such a suspect , especially when negligence is so apparant .
If he is " hurting inside " then the jury can choose to take that into account during the trial or sentencing.Commenters who have said that the step-father has been punished enough by the death of his step-child need to consider the other parties mourning the victim .
The mother , father , and grandparents all suffered a great loss , and they , as well as society as a whole deserve and will likely demand that the step-father face additional consequences.And besides , any case involving death deserves a thorough investigation , regardless of the fact that the mother and step-father have suffered a loss .
The justice system can not simply leave them alone and take their account of what happened as fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the laws (regarding firearms, child endangerment, and wrongful death) are intended for this situation, among others.
When there is evidence of a crime, the suspects should be charged as such.
Whether or not the step-father feels guilty should not affect the indictment of such a suspect, especially when negligence is so apparant.
If he is "hurting inside" then the jury can choose to take that into account during the trial or sentencing.Commenters who have said that the step-father has been punished enough by the death of his step-child need to consider the other parties mourning the victim.
The mother, father, and grandparents all suffered a great loss, and they, as well as society as a whole deserve and will likely demand that the step-father face additional consequences.And besides, any case involving death deserves a thorough investigation, regardless of the fact that the mother and step-father have suffered a loss.
The justice system cannot simply leave them alone and take their account of what happened as fact.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439422</id>
	<title>the incident was unfortunate but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>realize that there are people who do stuff like the following:<br>[WARNING GRAPHIC]<br><a href="http://4gifs.com/gallery/v/AnimatedHorrors/Murdered\_in\_woods.gif.html" title="4gifs.com" rel="nofollow">http://4gifs.com/gallery/v/AnimatedHorrors/Murdered\_in\_woods.gif.html</a> [4gifs.com]<br><a href="http://johnjacobh.wordpress.com/category/merced-pitchfork-murders/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://johnjacobh.wordpress.com/category/merced-pitchfork-murders/</a> [wordpress.com]<br><a href="http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart" title="jpfo.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart</a> [jpfo.org]<br>and you will realize having a loaded weapon at all times is the only option</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>realize that there are people who do stuff like the following : [ WARNING GRAPHIC ] http : //4gifs.com/gallery/v/AnimatedHorrors/Murdered \ _in \ _woods.gif.html [ 4gifs.com ] http : //johnjacobh.wordpress.com/category/merced-pitchfork-murders/ [ wordpress.com ] http : //www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm # chart [ jpfo.org ] and you will realize having a loaded weapon at all times is the only option</tokentext>
<sentencetext>realize that there are people who do stuff like the following:[WARNING GRAPHIC]http://4gifs.com/gallery/v/AnimatedHorrors/Murdered\_in\_woods.gif.html [4gifs.com]http://johnjacobh.wordpress.com/category/merced-pitchfork-murders/ [wordpress.com]http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart [jpfo.org]and you will realize having a loaded weapon at all times is the only option</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438104</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>NitroWolf</author>
	<datestamp>1268325240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really? A toddler pulling the trigger of a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380? A toddler?</p><p>I smell bullshit.</p></div><p>This was exactly what I was thinking first thing.  How the hell can a 3 year old manipulate the multi-pound trigger pull of a hand gun?  Their little fingers are even unlikely to reach from the back of the handgrip to the trigger, much less be able to squeeze it.</p><p>The only thing I can figure, if this isn't a load a bullshit, is that the pistol was already cocked, making the trigger pull substantially less difficult, and the reason the kid died instead of shooting a hole in the TV was because he was just dicking around with the pistol instead of actually trying to play the game with it... so perhaps had it on the table and squeezed it while already cocked with his thumb and pointed at him.</p><p>It just seems like a fantastic series of events to get to that point, especially if the mother "was only a few feet away."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380 ?
A toddler ? I smell bullshit.This was exactly what I was thinking first thing .
How the hell can a 3 year old manipulate the multi-pound trigger pull of a hand gun ?
Their little fingers are even unlikely to reach from the back of the handgrip to the trigger , much less be able to squeeze it.The only thing I can figure , if this is n't a load a bullshit , is that the pistol was already cocked , making the trigger pull substantially less difficult , and the reason the kid died instead of shooting a hole in the TV was because he was just dicking around with the pistol instead of actually trying to play the game with it... so perhaps had it on the table and squeezed it while already cocked with his thumb and pointed at him.It just seems like a fantastic series of events to get to that point , especially if the mother " was only a few feet away .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380?
A toddler?I smell bullshit.This was exactly what I was thinking first thing.
How the hell can a 3 year old manipulate the multi-pound trigger pull of a hand gun?
Their little fingers are even unlikely to reach from the back of the handgrip to the trigger, much less be able to squeeze it.The only thing I can figure, if this isn't a load a bullshit, is that the pistol was already cocked, making the trigger pull substantially less difficult, and the reason the kid died instead of shooting a hole in the TV was because he was just dicking around with the pistol instead of actually trying to play the game with it... so perhaps had it on the table and squeezed it while already cocked with his thumb and pointed at him.It just seems like a fantastic series of events to get to that point, especially if the mother "was only a few feet away.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438184</id>
	<title>Re:Geez</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268325420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree, there should be the equivalent of a driver's test for people that wish to possess firearms (license shooters, not firearms). Furthermore, most police departments distribute trigger locks for free or at low cost to prevent exactly this kind of tragedy (I have 2 from the Washington County Sheriffs Department). My toddler was pretty fearless and resourceful, so I gave my guns to a friend who had a gun safe to keep until I could get a safe myself. That was 5 years ago, and I still don't have a gun safe, so he still has my guns.<br> <br>This family committed negligent homicide; this has nothing to do with the Wii, and everything to do with being irresponsible parents. Ideally, we should be able to sterilize people that make mistakes like this, to prevent them from breeding again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , there should be the equivalent of a driver 's test for people that wish to possess firearms ( license shooters , not firearms ) .
Furthermore , most police departments distribute trigger locks for free or at low cost to prevent exactly this kind of tragedy ( I have 2 from the Washington County Sheriffs Department ) .
My toddler was pretty fearless and resourceful , so I gave my guns to a friend who had a gun safe to keep until I could get a safe myself .
That was 5 years ago , and I still do n't have a gun safe , so he still has my guns .
This family committed negligent homicide ; this has nothing to do with the Wii , and everything to do with being irresponsible parents .
Ideally , we should be able to sterilize people that make mistakes like this , to prevent them from breeding again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, there should be the equivalent of a driver's test for people that wish to possess firearms (license shooters, not firearms).
Furthermore, most police departments distribute trigger locks for free or at low cost to prevent exactly this kind of tragedy (I have 2 from the Washington County Sheriffs Department).
My toddler was pretty fearless and resourceful, so I gave my guns to a friend who had a gun safe to keep until I could get a safe myself.
That was 5 years ago, and I still don't have a gun safe, so he still has my guns.
This family committed negligent homicide; this has nothing to do with the Wii, and everything to do with being irresponsible parents.
Ideally, we should be able to sterilize people that make mistakes like this, to prevent them from breeding again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438100</id>
	<title>Re:Media Hysteria</title>
	<author>DoktorFaust</author>
	<datestamp>1268325240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree completely -- you leave a loaded gun and a three year alone in a room together, what do you think is going to happen? Of course the three year old is going to play with and examine the new object! At that age they are just naive and curious explorers with little fear. The Wii controller has little to do with this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely -- you leave a loaded gun and a three year alone in a room together , what do you think is going to happen ?
Of course the three year old is going to play with and examine the new object !
At that age they are just naive and curious explorers with little fear .
The Wii controller has little to do with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely -- you leave a loaded gun and a three year alone in a room together, what do you think is going to happen?
Of course the three year old is going to play with and examine the new object!
At that age they are just naive and curious explorers with little fear.
The Wii controller has little to do with this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440040</id>
	<title>Re:4chan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268331000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it's pretty sad when not only does Sankaku scoop slashdot on this, Sankaku does the hard reporting on the actual gender of the child, the fact that the wii controller is some fake Chinese import and so on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it 's pretty sad when not only does Sankaku scoop slashdot on this , Sankaku does the hard reporting on the actual gender of the child , the fact that the wii controller is some fake Chinese import and so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it's pretty sad when not only does Sankaku scoop slashdot on this, Sankaku does the hard reporting on the actual gender of the child, the fact that the wii controller is some fake Chinese import and so on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438972</id>
	<title>dynamic-binbing darwinism</title>
	<author>chord.wav</author>
	<datestamp>1268327580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry for the kid, but parents stupid enough to leave a loaded gun at reach of a 3 year old (and then blame a wii controller!) should have died long time ago leaving no offspring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry for the kid , but parents stupid enough to leave a loaded gun at reach of a 3 year old ( and then blame a wii controller !
) should have died long time ago leaving no offspring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry for the kid, but parents stupid enough to leave a loaded gun at reach of a 3 year old (and then blame a wii controller!
) should have died long time ago leaving no offspring.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437512</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>binarylarry</author>
	<datestamp>1268323500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you read the article, they had an enclosure for the Wii remote that looked like a real gun.</p><p>So more like the original Nintendo zapper, before they made it bright orange.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the article , they had an enclosure for the Wii remote that looked like a real gun.So more like the original Nintendo zapper , before they made it bright orange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the article, they had an enclosure for the Wii remote that looked like a real gun.So more like the original Nintendo zapper, before they made it bright orange.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438068</id>
	<title>4chan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saw it on 4chan first.<br>Getting sloppy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saw it on 4chan first.Getting sloppy / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saw it on 4chan first.Getting sloppy /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440294</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1268332020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may be overestimating the strength of a toddler - most toddlers can't even press the button down on an aerosol can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may be overestimating the strength of a toddler - most toddlers ca n't even press the button down on an aerosol can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may be overestimating the strength of a toddler - most toddlers can't even press the button down on an aerosol can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31447884</id>
	<title>Geeks with guns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268320320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn!!! There are a lot of people here that apparently have guns.
I havent have a use for gun so far, and I think i never will.  The only reason to carry a gun is because there other people with guns.
If you are not carefull for just a second things can go bad in a sec.
Maybe they are just saying the guns they see on video games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn ! ! !
There are a lot of people here that apparently have guns .
I havent have a use for gun so far , and I think i never will .
The only reason to carry a gun is because there other people with guns .
If you are not carefull for just a second things can go bad in a sec .
Maybe they are just saying the guns they see on video games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn!!!
There are a lot of people here that apparently have guns.
I havent have a use for gun so far, and I think i never will.
The only reason to carry a gun is because there other people with guns.
If you are not carefull for just a second things can go bad in a sec.
Maybe they are just saying the guns they see on video games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438640</id>
	<title>Some people watch too much TV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This man makes a horrible mistake that will likely haunt him and his family forever, and all some of the people here can say is "I'm upset that he hasn't been charged," or "he should be locked up."</p><p>Because that's the solution here...For the state to lock the guy up. Yeah, because incarceration has worked so well to fix all of the problems in our utopia called America.</p><p>As if jail time going to bring the girl back, or undo what happened.</p><p>It was a horrible accident, and yeah, as a gun owner the man should have known better - but accidents happen. People forget to follow proper procedure on occasion, and on this occasion that error led to this accident.</p><p>Trust me, if there was anything fishy about this situation or about this guy they would have him locked up.</p><p>The parents should be left alone. The LAST thing they need is for the state lock them up after something like this happens - there is no worse punishment than what they are already going through.</p><p>Then I am sure we'll have the usual crowd ready to throw all of our rights under the bus with the tired, old, ridiculous "let's ban guns" argument - you know, because criminals that are ready to kill or rob or break every law inm the book will definitely decide to obey a new gun law because.......because why?</p><p>The only thing that I would hope for out of all of this is that it serves as a sobering reminder how very important safety and following procedure is when you are dealing with any tool that has the capacity to kill or maim (firearms, vehicles, power tools, electricity, etc)...</p><p>In addition to firearms safety, this is as much about home safety and "childproofing" as it is anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This man makes a horrible mistake that will likely haunt him and his family forever , and all some of the people here can say is " I 'm upset that he has n't been charged , " or " he should be locked up .
" Because that 's the solution here...For the state to lock the guy up .
Yeah , because incarceration has worked so well to fix all of the problems in our utopia called America.As if jail time going to bring the girl back , or undo what happened.It was a horrible accident , and yeah , as a gun owner the man should have known better - but accidents happen .
People forget to follow proper procedure on occasion , and on this occasion that error led to this accident.Trust me , if there was anything fishy about this situation or about this guy they would have him locked up.The parents should be left alone .
The LAST thing they need is for the state lock them up after something like this happens - there is no worse punishment than what they are already going through.Then I am sure we 'll have the usual crowd ready to throw all of our rights under the bus with the tired , old , ridiculous " let 's ban guns " argument - you know , because criminals that are ready to kill or rob or break every law inm the book will definitely decide to obey a new gun law because.......because why ? The only thing that I would hope for out of all of this is that it serves as a sobering reminder how very important safety and following procedure is when you are dealing with any tool that has the capacity to kill or maim ( firearms , vehicles , power tools , electricity , etc ) ...In addition to firearms safety , this is as much about home safety and " childproofing " as it is anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This man makes a horrible mistake that will likely haunt him and his family forever, and all some of the people here can say is "I'm upset that he hasn't been charged," or "he should be locked up.
"Because that's the solution here...For the state to lock the guy up.
Yeah, because incarceration has worked so well to fix all of the problems in our utopia called America.As if jail time going to bring the girl back, or undo what happened.It was a horrible accident, and yeah, as a gun owner the man should have known better - but accidents happen.
People forget to follow proper procedure on occasion, and on this occasion that error led to this accident.Trust me, if there was anything fishy about this situation or about this guy they would have him locked up.The parents should be left alone.
The LAST thing they need is for the state lock them up after something like this happens - there is no worse punishment than what they are already going through.Then I am sure we'll have the usual crowd ready to throw all of our rights under the bus with the tired, old, ridiculous "let's ban guns" argument - you know, because criminals that are ready to kill or rob or break every law inm the book will definitely decide to obey a new gun law because.......because why?The only thing that I would hope for out of all of this is that it serves as a sobering reminder how very important safety and following procedure is when you are dealing with any tool that has the capacity to kill or maim (firearms, vehicles, power tools, electricity, etc)...In addition to firearms safety, this is as much about home safety and "childproofing" as it is anything else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437830</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1268324520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because the Wii angle is the hook taco chose to stir up slashdot gamer mujahiddens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the Wii angle is the hook taco chose to stir up slashdot gamer mujahiddens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the Wii angle is the hook taco chose to stir up slashdot gamer mujahiddens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439752</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> it detracts from the real story which is don't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns (unless you're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn).</p></div><p>No, only idiot would would point a kid at a gun while yelling at the gun in an effort to get the gun to move off said idiot's lawn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it detracts from the real story which is do n't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns ( unless you 're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn ) .No , only idiot would would point a kid at a gun while yelling at the gun in an effort to get the gun to move off said idiot 's lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> it detracts from the real story which is don't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns (unless you're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn).No, only idiot would would point a kid at a gun while yelling at the gun in an effort to get the gun to move off said idiot's lawn.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437740</id>
	<title>This was neither an accident, nor a suicide.</title>
	<author>uxbn\_kuribo</author>
	<datestamp>1268324280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan of Norene, Tenn., shot herself Sunday night after her stepfather left his loaded Smith &amp; Wesson handgun out on a table, Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe said."

I think I see where this story went wrong.

Seriously, this isn't an accident--- it is a completely avoidable death. What kind of idiot leaves out loaded handguns with children in the house? I hope this guy rots in prison.

Further, it wasn't a suicide--- it wasn't the child's attempt to kill herself.

Finally, this story has about as much to do with the Wii as it does an NES. How much Wii-shooting can a three-year-old possibly do?

I don't think the Wii had anything to do with it--- the kid saw what she thought was a toy, played with it, and now her father's the poster boy for redneck idiots. The connection between "Wii" and "child playing with loaded handgun" is so short that it shouldn't even be news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan of Norene , Tenn. , shot herself Sunday night after her stepfather left his loaded Smith &amp; Wesson handgun out on a table , Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe said .
" I think I see where this story went wrong .
Seriously , this is n't an accident--- it is a completely avoidable death .
What kind of idiot leaves out loaded handguns with children in the house ?
I hope this guy rots in prison .
Further , it was n't a suicide--- it was n't the child 's attempt to kill herself .
Finally , this story has about as much to do with the Wii as it does an NES .
How much Wii-shooting can a three-year-old possibly do ?
I do n't think the Wii had anything to do with it--- the kid saw what she thought was a toy , played with it , and now her father 's the poster boy for redneck idiots .
The connection between " Wii " and " child playing with loaded handgun " is so short that it should n't even be news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan of Norene, Tenn., shot herself Sunday night after her stepfather left his loaded Smith &amp; Wesson handgun out on a table, Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe said.
"

I think I see where this story went wrong.
Seriously, this isn't an accident--- it is a completely avoidable death.
What kind of idiot leaves out loaded handguns with children in the house?
I hope this guy rots in prison.
Further, it wasn't a suicide--- it wasn't the child's attempt to kill herself.
Finally, this story has about as much to do with the Wii as it does an NES.
How much Wii-shooting can a three-year-old possibly do?
I don't think the Wii had anything to do with it--- the kid saw what she thought was a toy, played with it, and now her father's the poster boy for redneck idiots.
The connection between "Wii" and "child playing with loaded handgun" is so short that it shouldn't even be news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439466</id>
	<title>Are you serious?!?!?!</title>
	<author>Limburgher</author>
	<datestamp>1268329080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,</p></div><p>
No, the unfortunate thing is that there was a goddamned loaded gun in reach of a toddler!  The owner of the gun should be in prison!  The controller shape is questionable, yes, but the blame lies squarely on the gun owner's ridiculous negligence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black , basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game , No , the unfortunate thing is that there was a goddamned loaded gun in reach of a toddler !
The owner of the gun should be in prison !
The controller shape is questionable , yes , but the blame lies squarely on the gun owner 's ridiculous negligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,
No, the unfortunate thing is that there was a goddamned loaded gun in reach of a toddler!
The owner of the gun should be in prison!
The controller shape is questionable, yes, but the blame lies squarely on the gun owner's ridiculous negligence.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31454326</id>
	<title>Take his guns away</title>
	<author>HexKrak</author>
	<datestamp>1268422260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I firmly believe in a person's right to own guns here in America, until they've proven they're not responsible or capable of safely using/storing them.
Keeping a loaded gun in reach of a toddler is one of the dumbest ideas ever. Even if the toddler doesn't have a toy gun, or has any idea what the gun is/isn't they're still a toddler and will still play with it. Especially if it's shiny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I firmly believe in a person 's right to own guns here in America , until they 've proven they 're not responsible or capable of safely using/storing them .
Keeping a loaded gun in reach of a toddler is one of the dumbest ideas ever .
Even if the toddler does n't have a toy gun , or has any idea what the gun is/is n't they 're still a toddler and will still play with it .
Especially if it 's shiny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I firmly believe in a person's right to own guns here in America, until they've proven they're not responsible or capable of safely using/storing them.
Keeping a loaded gun in reach of a toddler is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
Even if the toddler doesn't have a toy gun, or has any idea what the gun is/isn't they're still a toddler and will still play with it.
Especially if it's shiny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437776</id>
	<title>Please update the blurb on the story</title>
	<author>Dogun</author>
	<datestamp>1268324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please note that this was not a licensed Wii controller.  People are stupid enough as is; they don't need a confusing headline to help them decide games are evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please note that this was not a licensed Wii controller .
People are stupid enough as is ; they do n't need a confusing headline to help them decide games are evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please note that this was not a licensed Wii controller.
People are stupid enough as is; they don't need a confusing headline to help them decide games are evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438832</id>
	<title>So the Wii taught a three year old ...</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1268327040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For the Wii to somehow to important to this death, we need to believe that playing the Wii taught a three-year-old kid:<ul> <li>How to load a gun</li><li>How to ready it to fire</li><li>How to turn off the safety</li><li>How to aim it</li><li>How to pull the trigger</li></ul><p>
I am not aware of any games for the Wii that teach all of those skills, let alone at a level that a three-year-old could likely comprehend and manage.  Perhaps they have access to some Wii titles I am not familiar with?<br> <br>
Oh, wait.  The <i>gun was left laying around loaded, cocked, and ready to fire <b>within reach of the three-year-old</b> </i>.  It's good to see that we are properly placing blame where it belongs - on Nintendo, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the Wii to somehow to important to this death , we need to believe that playing the Wii taught a three-year-old kid : How to load a gunHow to ready it to fireHow to turn off the safetyHow to aim itHow to pull the trigger I am not aware of any games for the Wii that teach all of those skills , let alone at a level that a three-year-old could likely comprehend and manage .
Perhaps they have access to some Wii titles I am not familiar with ?
Oh , wait .
The gun was left laying around loaded , cocked , and ready to fire within reach of the three-year-old .
It 's good to see that we are properly placing blame where it belongs - on Nintendo , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the Wii to somehow to important to this death, we need to believe that playing the Wii taught a three-year-old kid: How to load a gunHow to ready it to fireHow to turn off the safetyHow to aim itHow to pull the trigger
I am not aware of any games for the Wii that teach all of those skills, let alone at a level that a three-year-old could likely comprehend and manage.
Perhaps they have access to some Wii titles I am not familiar with?
Oh, wait.
The gun was left laying around loaded, cocked, and ready to fire within reach of the three-year-old .
It's good to see that we are properly placing blame where it belongs - on Nintendo, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440140</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a list</title>
	<author>malkavian</author>
	<datestamp>1268331480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I'm sure I'd love to be absolutely perfect too..  Alas, I know I'm not.  With the best will in the world, I'm not going to do everything perfectly every time.<br>So, we know he took it out of the safe area to investigate a prowler.  No mention is made of whether or not the rest of the family were around him at that time, or whether 'forgetting' is merely reassuring the wife/aftermath of what you suspect to be someone after you.  No background there at all.</p><p>I see nothing in there to say he's not fit to live with children; no evidence of that at all.  And the amount of times I've seen things that are 'impossible for things to happen', where a highly skilled and regimented person has had a momentary lapse of thought being distracted by something else in a tense situation, and things have gone wrong is quite astounding.<br>Being responsible means that you've done everything you humanly can to mitigate risk through process and mental discipline.  This means you're 99.999\% safe, and really, that's astoundingly good.  Most of the people that say they're 'perfect' can say that only because they're not constantly tested; sometimes it can be that one time you fail in your process that is the one that something goes wrong in.<br>Your argument holds only in a perfect world with perfect concentration and perfect adherence to process.  In the real world, it seems to come across as rhetoric.</p><p>To answer your points directly:</p><p>1) From the story, we're not given enough info to work out whether a felony should be given, so point 1 is moot; you're making assumptions with no evidence of circumstance.  If the police examine the evidence and believe he was criminally negligent, then sure.. By all means..  I just refuse to be drawn into a knee jerk reaction without knowing any of the facts.</p><p>2 and 3)  Definitely with you 100\% on that.  Responsibility seems rather underrated these days (it all seems to be "I have a right to.." rather than "I undertake the responsibility of..")..</p><p>4) I'm not so sure about that..  I know quite a few step parents who love the kids like they were their own.  Same as adoptive parents; I'd defy you to go to any adoptive parent and say "You don't love your adopted kid as if it were your own.".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm sure I 'd love to be absolutely perfect too.. Alas , I know I 'm not .
With the best will in the world , I 'm not going to do everything perfectly every time.So , we know he took it out of the safe area to investigate a prowler .
No mention is made of whether or not the rest of the family were around him at that time , or whether 'forgetting ' is merely reassuring the wife/aftermath of what you suspect to be someone after you .
No background there at all.I see nothing in there to say he 's not fit to live with children ; no evidence of that at all .
And the amount of times I 've seen things that are 'impossible for things to happen ' , where a highly skilled and regimented person has had a momentary lapse of thought being distracted by something else in a tense situation , and things have gone wrong is quite astounding.Being responsible means that you 've done everything you humanly can to mitigate risk through process and mental discipline .
This means you 're 99.999 \ % safe , and really , that 's astoundingly good .
Most of the people that say they 're 'perfect ' can say that only because they 're not constantly tested ; sometimes it can be that one time you fail in your process that is the one that something goes wrong in.Your argument holds only in a perfect world with perfect concentration and perfect adherence to process .
In the real world , it seems to come across as rhetoric.To answer your points directly : 1 ) From the story , we 're not given enough info to work out whether a felony should be given , so point 1 is moot ; you 're making assumptions with no evidence of circumstance .
If the police examine the evidence and believe he was criminally negligent , then sure.. By all means.. I just refuse to be drawn into a knee jerk reaction without knowing any of the facts.2 and 3 ) Definitely with you 100 \ % on that .
Responsibility seems rather underrated these days ( it all seems to be " I have a right to.. " rather than " I undertake the responsibility of.. " ) ..4 ) I 'm not so sure about that.. I know quite a few step parents who love the kids like they were their own .
Same as adoptive parents ; I 'd defy you to go to any adoptive parent and say " You do n't love your adopted kid as if it were your own .
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm sure I'd love to be absolutely perfect too..  Alas, I know I'm not.
With the best will in the world, I'm not going to do everything perfectly every time.So, we know he took it out of the safe area to investigate a prowler.
No mention is made of whether or not the rest of the family were around him at that time, or whether 'forgetting' is merely reassuring the wife/aftermath of what you suspect to be someone after you.
No background there at all.I see nothing in there to say he's not fit to live with children; no evidence of that at all.
And the amount of times I've seen things that are 'impossible for things to happen', where a highly skilled and regimented person has had a momentary lapse of thought being distracted by something else in a tense situation, and things have gone wrong is quite astounding.Being responsible means that you've done everything you humanly can to mitigate risk through process and mental discipline.
This means you're 99.999\% safe, and really, that's astoundingly good.
Most of the people that say they're 'perfect' can say that only because they're not constantly tested; sometimes it can be that one time you fail in your process that is the one that something goes wrong in.Your argument holds only in a perfect world with perfect concentration and perfect adherence to process.
In the real world, it seems to come across as rhetoric.To answer your points directly:1) From the story, we're not given enough info to work out whether a felony should be given, so point 1 is moot; you're making assumptions with no evidence of circumstance.
If the police examine the evidence and believe he was criminally negligent, then sure.. By all means..  I just refuse to be drawn into a knee jerk reaction without knowing any of the facts.2 and 3)  Definitely with you 100\% on that.
Responsibility seems rather underrated these days (it all seems to be "I have a right to.." rather than "I undertake the responsibility of..")..4) I'm not so sure about that..  I know quite a few step parents who love the kids like they were their own.
Same as adoptive parents; I'd defy you to go to any adoptive parent and say "You don't love your adopted kid as if it were your own.
".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439282</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268328480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a certain pressure that must be exerted to shoot a gun. Unless the gun was modified to make it easier to shoot, I cannot see a three year old mistaking a real, heavy gun from a plastic toy with an easy to pull trigger-like button.  I have guns, and one of the things I've done is show them to my kids. The point is -- you do not lock the guns up with the hopes of them never being found out (or looked for, given children's natural curiosity) You show the guns to the children and teach them about responsibility, about their actions and their repercussions. Something the stepfather either knew nothing about or chose to ignore.</p><p>Every time I see news like this about the 'accidental' death of a step-child, I think about the chimpanzees.... They will kill the offspring of the other males so that their own are the only ones to thrive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a certain pressure that must be exerted to shoot a gun .
Unless the gun was modified to make it easier to shoot , I can not see a three year old mistaking a real , heavy gun from a plastic toy with an easy to pull trigger-like button .
I have guns , and one of the things I 've done is show them to my kids .
The point is -- you do not lock the guns up with the hopes of them never being found out ( or looked for , given children 's natural curiosity ) You show the guns to the children and teach them about responsibility , about their actions and their repercussions .
Something the stepfather either knew nothing about or chose to ignore.Every time I see news like this about the 'accidental ' death of a step-child , I think about the chimpanzees.... They will kill the offspring of the other males so that their own are the only ones to thrive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a certain pressure that must be exerted to shoot a gun.
Unless the gun was modified to make it easier to shoot, I cannot see a three year old mistaking a real, heavy gun from a plastic toy with an easy to pull trigger-like button.
I have guns, and one of the things I've done is show them to my kids.
The point is -- you do not lock the guns up with the hopes of them never being found out (or looked for, given children's natural curiosity) You show the guns to the children and teach them about responsibility, about their actions and their repercussions.
Something the stepfather either knew nothing about or chose to ignore.Every time I see news like this about the 'accidental' death of a step-child, I think about the chimpanzees.... They will kill the offspring of the other males so that their own are the only ones to thrive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438396</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1268325960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am Pro-Gun Rights myself.  However I think people who are irresponsible with guns should be punished, legally.   Sure they guy feels bad that his mistake caused the child to die but. For most people they will get over it and continue with life.  Jail time will mean for a the period of time he will know what he did and what he did was wrong. Then when applying for a job and ask if he has any felonies he will need to describe what he did,  and perhaps it will make sure that someone else remembers to treat guns with respect that they deserve.    Even if you have no children or other people in your home, when you are done with your gun you Unload it, and Lock it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am Pro-Gun Rights myself .
However I think people who are irresponsible with guns should be punished , legally .
Sure they guy feels bad that his mistake caused the child to die but .
For most people they will get over it and continue with life .
Jail time will mean for a the period of time he will know what he did and what he did was wrong .
Then when applying for a job and ask if he has any felonies he will need to describe what he did , and perhaps it will make sure that someone else remembers to treat guns with respect that they deserve .
Even if you have no children or other people in your home , when you are done with your gun you Unload it , and Lock it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am Pro-Gun Rights myself.
However I think people who are irresponsible with guns should be punished, legally.
Sure they guy feels bad that his mistake caused the child to die but.
For most people they will get over it and continue with life.
Jail time will mean for a the period of time he will know what he did and what he did was wrong.
Then when applying for a job and ask if he has any felonies he will need to describe what he did,  and perhaps it will make sure that someone else remembers to treat guns with respect that they deserve.
Even if you have no children or other people in your home, when you are done with your gun you Unload it, and Lock it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439192</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268328180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I'm looking at my Wii controller.  It is white, lightweight and shaped like a stick.  I do not have a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380 handgun, but I have fired them in the past.  They do not look like Wii controllers.  They are black, heavy and made of steel.  The only rough similarity is that they both have a trigger-style mechanism.  One is simply a click button, the other requires lots of pressure to activate a firing mechanism.</p><p>I am with dtolman on this one, folks.  That was my first thought, having read the article, that fit the evidence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'm looking at my Wii controller .
It is white , lightweight and shaped like a stick .
I do not have a .380 handgun , but I have fired them in the past .
They do not look like Wii controllers .
They are black , heavy and made of steel .
The only rough similarity is that they both have a trigger-style mechanism .
One is simply a click button , the other requires lots of pressure to activate a firing mechanism.I am with dtolman on this one , folks .
That was my first thought , having read the article , that fit the evidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'm looking at my Wii controller.
It is white, lightweight and shaped like a stick.
I do not have a .380 handgun, but I have fired them in the past.
They do not look like Wii controllers.
They are black, heavy and made of steel.
The only rough similarity is that they both have a trigger-style mechanism.
One is simply a click button, the other requires lots of pressure to activate a firing mechanism.I am with dtolman on this one, folks.
That was my first thought, having read the article, that fit the evidence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439626</id>
	<title>This Story Is Miscategorized</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1268329500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This story belongs under "editorials" not "games".  It is expressing <i>the opinion</i> that someone has that this death was related to the Wii.  There is not a shred of evidence that this would not have happened had the family not owned a Wii.<br> <br>
When a child <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/10/us/cartoon-on-mtv-blamed-for-fire.html?pagewanted=1" title="nytimes.com">burned down the family trailer after watching Beavis and Butt-Head</a> [nytimes.com], cooler heads eventually prevailed and realized that the cartoon didn't have anything to do with the fact that the mother of the child was an idiot.  While Beavis and Butt-head were never the same afterwards, we collectively came to realize that the cartoon was not actually at fault.<br> <br>
Similarly we need to collectively come to realize that the Wii is not at fault in this child's death.  Nintendo did not put a loaded gun within reach of a three-year-old.  And the <i>opinion</i> that a three-year-old learned unsafe gun manners from a game console is not news for the slashdot front-page; rather it is an opinion that deserves to be recognized as such.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This story belongs under " editorials " not " games " .
It is expressing the opinion that someone has that this death was related to the Wii .
There is not a shred of evidence that this would not have happened had the family not owned a Wii .
When a child burned down the family trailer after watching Beavis and Butt-Head [ nytimes.com ] , cooler heads eventually prevailed and realized that the cartoon did n't have anything to do with the fact that the mother of the child was an idiot .
While Beavis and Butt-head were never the same afterwards , we collectively came to realize that the cartoon was not actually at fault .
Similarly we need to collectively come to realize that the Wii is not at fault in this child 's death .
Nintendo did not put a loaded gun within reach of a three-year-old .
And the opinion that a three-year-old learned unsafe gun manners from a game console is not news for the slashdot front-page ; rather it is an opinion that deserves to be recognized as such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This story belongs under "editorials" not "games".
It is expressing the opinion that someone has that this death was related to the Wii.
There is not a shred of evidence that this would not have happened had the family not owned a Wii.
When a child burned down the family trailer after watching Beavis and Butt-Head [nytimes.com], cooler heads eventually prevailed and realized that the cartoon didn't have anything to do with the fact that the mother of the child was an idiot.
While Beavis and Butt-head were never the same afterwards, we collectively came to realize that the cartoon was not actually at fault.
Similarly we need to collectively come to realize that the Wii is not at fault in this child's death.
Nintendo did not put a loaded gun within reach of a three-year-old.
And the opinion that a three-year-old learned unsafe gun manners from a game console is not news for the slashdot front-page; rather it is an opinion that deserves to be recognized as such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437682</id>
	<title>Pro tip</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1268324040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't leave guns in the reach of toddlers, especially if you have a toddler living with you. And if you do, remove the ammo from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't leave guns in the reach of toddlers , especially if you have a toddler living with you .
And if you do , remove the ammo from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't leave guns in the reach of toddlers, especially if you have a toddler living with you.
And if you do, remove the ammo from it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443320</id>
	<title>Not funny</title>
	<author>tbf</author>
	<datestamp>1268299200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like an horrible human tragedy.<br>Title and teaser appear inappropriate to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like an horrible human tragedy.Title and teaser appear inappropriate to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like an horrible human tragedy.Title and teaser appear inappropriate to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443920</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268300880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child</p></div><p>Not necessarily.. there are plenty of cases where parents have intentionally killed their own kids and felt no remorse. There's no way to know if this guy feels remorse or not</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a childNot necessarily.. there are plenty of cases where parents have intentionally killed their own kids and felt no remorse .
There 's no way to know if this guy feels remorse or not</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a childNot necessarily.. there are plenty of cases where parents have intentionally killed their own kids and felt no remorse.
There's no way to know if this guy feels remorse or not
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438698</id>
	<title>what Wii game?</title>
	<author>theReal-Hp\_Sauce</author>
	<datestamp>1268326740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, so what Wii game involves pointing the gun at yourself?  It doesn't sound like much fun (remind me not to buy it).  Does the controller even work when you point it at yourself?</p><p>The only thing being "used to playing a Wii game" should have taught this child is which end goes forward!  And that is should be pointed at the evil brainless beings.</p><p>The fact that the Wii is even mentioned at all in this tragedy just boils down to human beings natural instinct to try and deflect some of the blame/responsibility when they screw up.</p><p>-hps</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , so what Wii game involves pointing the gun at yourself ?
It does n't sound like much fun ( remind me not to buy it ) .
Does the controller even work when you point it at yourself ? The only thing being " used to playing a Wii game " should have taught this child is which end goes forward !
And that is should be pointed at the evil brainless beings.The fact that the Wii is even mentioned at all in this tragedy just boils down to human beings natural instinct to try and deflect some of the blame/responsibility when they screw up.-hps</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, so what Wii game involves pointing the gun at yourself?
It doesn't sound like much fun (remind me not to buy it).
Does the controller even work when you point it at yourself?The only thing being "used to playing a Wii game" should have taught this child is which end goes forward!
And that is should be pointed at the evil brainless beings.The fact that the Wii is even mentioned at all in this tragedy just boils down to human beings natural instinct to try and deflect some of the blame/responsibility when they screw up.-hps</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440776</id>
	<title>Re:Geez</title>
	<author>bmk67</author>
	<datestamp>1268333880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's this little thing called a trigger lock<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Trigger locks are dangerous.  Put one on a gun.  Load the gun.  Chamber a round.  Guess what's likely to happen?</p><p>Boom.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's this little thing called a trigger lock ...Trigger locks are dangerous .
Put one on a gun .
Load the gun .
Chamber a round .
Guess what 's likely to happen ? Boom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's this little thing called a trigger lock ...Trigger locks are dangerous.
Put one on a gun.
Load the gun.
Chamber a round.
Guess what's likely to happen?Boom.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440580</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess, by your own logic, that if someone killed your child, and felt bad about it, they shouldn't be punished?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess , by your own logic , that if someone killed your child , and felt bad about it , they should n't be punished ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess, by your own logic, that if someone killed your child, and felt bad about it, they shouldn't be punished?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439712</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a list</title>
	<author>Limburgher</author>
	<datestamp>1268329860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod this through the damn roof.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod this through the damn roof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod this through the damn roof.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438016</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022701549.html" title="washingtonpost.com">Link to an appropriate story:</a> [washingtonpost.com] the "crime" is somewhat different (I consider it a more excusable crime than leaving a loaded gun lying around), but it's still a case of memory failure, and the fact remains that any accidental death tends to punish the parents incredibly severely; they aren't about to do this again just because they weren't punished the first time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Link to an appropriate story : [ washingtonpost.com ] the " crime " is somewhat different ( I consider it a more excusable crime than leaving a loaded gun lying around ) , but it 's still a case of memory failure , and the fact remains that any accidental death tends to punish the parents incredibly severely ; they are n't about to do this again just because they were n't punished the first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Link to an appropriate story: [washingtonpost.com] the "crime" is somewhat different (I consider it a more excusable crime than leaving a loaded gun lying around), but it's still a case of memory failure, and the fact remains that any accidental death tends to punish the parents incredibly severely; they aren't about to do this again just because they weren't punished the first time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437450</id>
	<title>Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1268323320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?  The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun <i>left laying around by the parent</i>.  This has nothing to do with the Wii, and everything to do with some dumbfuck leaving a loaded gun laying around with a three year old in the house.  I don't care what you child does for fun, leaving a loaded gun all willy-nilly where the child can reach it is the height of responsibility.</p><p>We don't need gun control, we need idiot control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin ' story ?
The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun left laying around by the parent .
This has nothing to do with the Wii , and everything to do with some dumbfuck leaving a loaded gun laying around with a three year old in the house .
I do n't care what you child does for fun , leaving a loaded gun all willy-nilly where the child can reach it is the height of responsibility.We do n't need gun control , we need idiot control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?
The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun left laying around by the parent.
This has nothing to do with the Wii, and everything to do with some dumbfuck leaving a loaded gun laying around with a three year old in the house.
I don't care what you child does for fun, leaving a loaded gun all willy-nilly where the child can reach it is the height of responsibility.We don't need gun control, we need idiot control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31444372</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268302320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the movie he had a gun to his own head when they re-enlisted him, BEFORE he tried to nuke himself. I assume you meant the TV show, since it was Kurt Russel in the movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the movie he had a gun to his own head when they re-enlisted him , BEFORE he tried to nuke himself .
I assume you meant the TV show , since it was Kurt Russel in the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the movie he had a gun to his own head when they re-enlisted him, BEFORE he tried to nuke himself.
I assume you meant the TV show, since it was Kurt Russel in the movie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439130</id>
	<title>Misrepresenting Statistics</title>
	<author>quatin</author>
	<datestamp>1268328060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"In the United States, he said, a gun in the home is 21 times more likely to injure a family member than protect the home from intruders. "

He didn't mention that this statistic is mainly made up of intentional homicides. IE Husband shoots wife for insurance money.
The actual accidental death by a toddler with a firearm is overshadowed by the amount of children drowning in swimming pools.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" In the United States , he said , a gun in the home is 21 times more likely to injure a family member than protect the home from intruders .
" He did n't mention that this statistic is mainly made up of intentional homicides .
IE Husband shoots wife for insurance money .
The actual accidental death by a toddler with a firearm is overshadowed by the amount of children drowning in swimming pools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"In the United States, he said, a gun in the home is 21 times more likely to injure a family member than protect the home from intruders.
"

He didn't mention that this statistic is mainly made up of intentional homicides.
IE Husband shoots wife for insurance money.
The actual accidental death by a toddler with a firearm is overshadowed by the amount of children drowning in swimming pools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438862</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child."</p><p>I'm not going to make an argument about whether or not charges should be filed, but I do want to point out one sad fact - your assumption about the degree of the father's remorse does not necessarily hold true. The world would be a better place if every parent felt that way about their children, but that is not the case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child .
" I 'm not going to make an argument about whether or not charges should be filed , but I do want to point out one sad fact - your assumption about the degree of the father 's remorse does not necessarily hold true .
The world would be a better place if every parent felt that way about their children , but that is not the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.
"I'm not going to make an argument about whether or not charges should be filed, but I do want to point out one sad fact - your assumption about the degree of the father's remorse does not necessarily hold true.
The world would be a better place if every parent felt that way about their children, but that is not the case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437474</id>
	<title>Shot herself, you mean</title>
	<author>amaupin</author>
	<datestamp>1268323380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a girl.  Perhaps reading the story, Taco, might have been useful?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a girl .
Perhaps reading the story , Taco , might have been useful ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a girl.
Perhaps reading the story, Taco, might have been useful?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437470</id>
	<title>Radiation...</title>
	<author>starblazer</author>
	<datestamp>1268323380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they said that the radiation would get to us all.....</p><p>in a more serious note, this sucks.  Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND????</p><p>Plus, "The Nintendo game called Wii"... some mighty fine reporting there, lou.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they said that the radiation would get to us all.....in a more serious note , this sucks .
Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open , ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND ? ? ?
? Plus , " The Nintendo game called Wii " ... some mighty fine reporting there , lou .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they said that the radiation would get to us all.....in a more serious note, this sucks.
Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND???
?Plus, "The Nintendo game called Wii"... some mighty fine reporting there, lou.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437498</id>
	<title>Actually, we don't know what he thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, he is dead and so far as I know, didn't leave a note to tell us what he thought he was doing when he killed himself.</p><p>It is pure speculation on the part of interested parties to say that he thought it was Wii contrller.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , he is dead and so far as I know , did n't leave a note to tell us what he thought he was doing when he killed himself.It is pure speculation on the part of interested parties to say that he thought it was Wii contrller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, he is dead and so far as I know, didn't leave a note to tell us what he thought he was doing when he killed himself.It is pure speculation on the part of interested parties to say that he thought it was Wii contrller.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439078</id>
	<title>Re:The father is responsible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever leave a bucket of mop water, plastic bag, or household cleaner laying around by mistake?  All are much more likely to result in the death of a toddler...  Mistakes happen, that doesn't make it criminal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever leave a bucket of mop water , plastic bag , or household cleaner laying around by mistake ?
All are much more likely to result in the death of a toddler... Mistakes happen , that does n't make it criminal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever leave a bucket of mop water, plastic bag, or household cleaner laying around by mistake?
All are much more likely to result in the death of a toddler...  Mistakes happen, that doesn't make it criminal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441366</id>
	<title>Re:Multiple faults</title>
	<author>Vexorian</author>
	<datestamp>1268336160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>5th, who makes a gun shaped controller for a Wii?! It's a platform mainly aimed at KIDS!!!</p></div></blockquote><p>
You mean KIDS now play with gun-shaped toys? Oh no!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5th , who makes a gun shaped controller for a Wii ? !
It 's a platform mainly aimed at KIDS ! ! !
You mean KIDS now play with gun-shaped toys ?
Oh no !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5th, who makes a gun shaped controller for a Wii?!
It's a platform mainly aimed at KIDS!!!
You mean KIDS now play with gun-shaped toys?
Oh no!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437518</id>
	<title>Suicide, my ass!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF is wrong with you submitter?  This is negligent homicide by the family. They left a loaded, cocked, pistol on a table where a three year old can get it. A three year old does not have a concept of life and death, and does not commit suicide. By throwing around the S-word you're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to: the parents. People who cannot treat firearms with the respect they deserve should not have them.</p><p>Already the news is making an issue out of the fact that it's a Wii-related death. It's not. It's a loaded gun left out in the open.  It doesn't matter if the Wii gun "looked" real, it wasn't. You can have a real, pink, Hello Kitty revolver there. It doesn't matter. A loaded and cocked gun was left where a curious child can get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF is wrong with you submitter ?
This is negligent homicide by the family .
They left a loaded , cocked , pistol on a table where a three year old can get it .
A three year old does not have a concept of life and death , and does not commit suicide .
By throwing around the S-word you 're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to : the parents .
People who can not treat firearms with the respect they deserve should not have them.Already the news is making an issue out of the fact that it 's a Wii-related death .
It 's not .
It 's a loaded gun left out in the open .
It does n't matter if the Wii gun " looked " real , it was n't .
You can have a real , pink , Hello Kitty revolver there .
It does n't matter .
A loaded and cocked gun was left where a curious child can get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF is wrong with you submitter?
This is negligent homicide by the family.
They left a loaded, cocked, pistol on a table where a three year old can get it.
A three year old does not have a concept of life and death, and does not commit suicide.
By throwing around the S-word you're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to: the parents.
People who cannot treat firearms with the respect they deserve should not have them.Already the news is making an issue out of the fact that it's a Wii-related death.
It's not.
It's a loaded gun left out in the open.
It doesn't matter if the Wii gun "looked" real, it wasn't.
You can have a real, pink, Hello Kitty revolver there.
It doesn't matter.
A loaded and cocked gun was left where a curious child can get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438092</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>swillden</author>
	<datestamp>1268325240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Really? A toddler pulling the trigger of a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380? A toddler?</p><p>I smell bullshit.</p></div><p>Good point!

</p><p>AFAIK, S&amp;W only makes one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith\_&amp;\_Wesson\_Sigma" title="wikipedia.org">Sigma 380</a> [wikipedia.org].  This gun has no manual safety, instead it's a double action-only pistol with a long, heavy trigger pull.  An eight to ten pound trigger pull.  It's hard to believe that a toddler could have managed that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380 ?
A toddler ? I smell bullshit.Good point !
AFAIK , S&amp;W only makes one .380 , the Sigma 380 [ wikipedia.org ] .
This gun has no manual safety , instead it 's a double action-only pistol with a long , heavy trigger pull .
An eight to ten pound trigger pull .
It 's hard to believe that a toddler could have managed that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380?
A toddler?I smell bullshit.Good point!
AFAIK, S&amp;W only makes one .380, the Sigma 380 [wikipedia.org].
This gun has no manual safety, instead it's a double action-only pistol with a long, heavy trigger pull.
An eight to ten pound trigger pull.
It's hard to believe that a toddler could have managed that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438872</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1268327160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So "feeling bad" about the consequences of an action is reason to have charges dropped? Sorry. No. The degree of criminal negligence in this situation demands judicial action, regardless of just how bad the parents may or may not feel. Remorse may play a role in determining sentencing but it sure as hell has no place in the decision of whether or not charges should be laid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So " feeling bad " about the consequences of an action is reason to have charges dropped ?
Sorry. No .
The degree of criminal negligence in this situation demands judicial action , regardless of just how bad the parents may or may not feel .
Remorse may play a role in determining sentencing but it sure as hell has no place in the decision of whether or not charges should be laid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So "feeling bad" about the consequences of an action is reason to have charges dropped?
Sorry. No.
The degree of criminal negligence in this situation demands judicial action, regardless of just how bad the parents may or may not feel.
Remorse may play a role in determining sentencing but it sure as hell has no place in the decision of whether or not charges should be laid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438918</id>
	<title>Not all the info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just pointing out that article leaves out mention that the gun was normally kept in a safe, but there had been a prowler around the house earlier in the evening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just pointing out that article leaves out mention that the gun was normally kept in a safe , but there had been a prowler around the house earlier in the evening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just pointing out that article leaves out mention that the gun was normally kept in a safe, but there had been a prowler around the house earlier in the evening.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438358</id>
	<title>Just read the story</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1268325900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It took <i>me</i> a few seconds to figure out which was the controller. <a href="http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/abc\_pistol\_100309\_mn.jpg" title="abcnews.com">A picture of the controller, and the model pistol the father owns</a> [abcnews.com] Granted I'm from the UK and have never seen a gun like that up close, but the realism of that unit is <b>scary</b>.<br> <br>The dad was an idiot, though. I don't see him recovering. As for it being accidental? I couldn't speculate, but to all of the people saying that a kid couldn't pull the trigger... Kids have <b>two</b> hands, remember?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took me a few seconds to figure out which was the controller .
A picture of the controller , and the model pistol the father owns [ abcnews.com ] Granted I 'm from the UK and have never seen a gun like that up close , but the realism of that unit is scary .
The dad was an idiot , though .
I do n't see him recovering .
As for it being accidental ?
I could n't speculate , but to all of the people saying that a kid could n't pull the trigger... Kids have two hands , remember ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took me a few seconds to figure out which was the controller.
A picture of the controller, and the model pistol the father owns [abcnews.com] Granted I'm from the UK and have never seen a gun like that up close, but the realism of that unit is scary.
The dad was an idiot, though.
I don't see him recovering.
As for it being accidental?
I couldn't speculate, but to all of the people saying that a kid couldn't pull the trigger... Kids have two hands, remember?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438436</id>
	<title>Re:Pro tip</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1268326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Unloaded" guns kill people all the time.  Unload the gun <i>and</i> keep it out of the reach of toddlers, even if you don't have toddlers living with you.  And remember that "the reach of toddlers" is pretty pervasive, so if there is a non-zero probability that a toddler will be in your home, buy a gun safe.  If you can't afford so much as a $200, portable, single-pistol safe to keep your guns in, then stop wasting money on guns until you can. (In this case, it sounds like the family had a Nintendo Wii, which costs more than the safe that would have prevented the kid from ever touching the gun, regardless of its having been loaded.)
<br> <br>
I am among the strongest believers in the individual right to keep and bear arms, essentially without limitation.  But I also think that our schools should be doing a better job at teaching civic responsibility than they are, if parents are really this stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Unloaded " guns kill people all the time .
Unload the gun and keep it out of the reach of toddlers , even if you do n't have toddlers living with you .
And remember that " the reach of toddlers " is pretty pervasive , so if there is a non-zero probability that a toddler will be in your home , buy a gun safe .
If you ca n't afford so much as a $ 200 , portable , single-pistol safe to keep your guns in , then stop wasting money on guns until you can .
( In this case , it sounds like the family had a Nintendo Wii , which costs more than the safe that would have prevented the kid from ever touching the gun , regardless of its having been loaded .
) I am among the strongest believers in the individual right to keep and bear arms , essentially without limitation .
But I also think that our schools should be doing a better job at teaching civic responsibility than they are , if parents are really this stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Unloaded" guns kill people all the time.
Unload the gun and keep it out of the reach of toddlers, even if you don't have toddlers living with you.
And remember that "the reach of toddlers" is pretty pervasive, so if there is a non-zero probability that a toddler will be in your home, buy a gun safe.
If you can't afford so much as a $200, portable, single-pistol safe to keep your guns in, then stop wasting money on guns until you can.
(In this case, it sounds like the family had a Nintendo Wii, which costs more than the safe that would have prevented the kid from ever touching the gun, regardless of its having been loaded.
)
 
I am among the strongest believers in the individual right to keep and bear arms, essentially without limitation.
But I also think that our schools should be doing a better job at teaching civic responsibility than they are, if parents are really this stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443124</id>
	<title>Re:Geez</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1268298660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm.</p></div><p>An IQ test only measures your ability at taking a test at that moment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm.An IQ test only measures your ability at taking a test at that moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm.An IQ test only measures your ability at taking a test at that moment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437996</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>bluefoxlucid</author>
	<datestamp>1268325000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.</p></div><p>
My bank put up a large promotional banner on their log-in page with a picture of an infant on it.
</p><p>
My stomach lurched and I spent the next day and a half with the urge to get a power drill and bore the images out of my brain.
</p><p>
I really, really dislike getting goatse'd.  I don't see shit like that in day to day life, though I do come across some ugly little shit every few years.  They're mostly kept out of public though... least out of the public where I go (college, work, bar).
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child .
My bank put up a large promotional banner on their log-in page with a picture of an infant on it .
My stomach lurched and I spent the next day and a half with the urge to get a power drill and bore the images out of my brain .
I really , really dislike getting goatse 'd .
I do n't see shit like that in day to day life , though I do come across some ugly little shit every few years .
They 're mostly kept out of public though... least out of the public where I go ( college , work , bar ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.
My bank put up a large promotional banner on their log-in page with a picture of an infant on it.
My stomach lurched and I spent the next day and a half with the urge to get a power drill and bore the images out of my brain.
I really, really dislike getting goatse'd.
I don't see shit like that in day to day life, though I do come across some ugly little shit every few years.
They're mostly kept out of public though... least out of the public where I go (college, work, bar).

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438814</id>
	<title>This is BS.   I hope the police don't believe this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no way a 3 year old could pick up a gun, hold it, and pull the trigger.  They are heavy and made for adult-sized hands.  I call bullsh*t...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no way a 3 year old could pick up a gun , hold it , and pull the trigger .
They are heavy and made for adult-sized hands .
I call bullsh * t.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no way a 3 year old could pick up a gun, hold it, and pull the trigger.
They are heavy and made for adult-sized hands.
I call bullsh*t...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437810</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1268324460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blame is pointless? Exactly the opposite, this young life will be pointless only if nobody learns from it, <b>only if noting is imporved as a consequence of it.</b><br>I'd say the blame lays squarely on the person responsible with handling the gun. And it would be better to make a big deal out of the event, so that households where guns are kept (and children live) will pay extra attention to their operating procedures with said weapon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blame is pointless ?
Exactly the opposite , this young life will be pointless only if nobody learns from it , only if noting is imporved as a consequence of it.I 'd say the blame lays squarely on the person responsible with handling the gun .
And it would be better to make a big deal out of the event , so that households where guns are kept ( and children live ) will pay extra attention to their operating procedures with said weapon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blame is pointless?
Exactly the opposite, this young life will be pointless only if nobody learns from it, only if noting is imporved as a consequence of it.I'd say the blame lays squarely on the person responsible with handling the gun.
And it would be better to make a big deal out of the event, so that households where guns are kept (and children live) will pay extra attention to their operating procedures with said weapon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437542</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439924</id>
	<title>Darwinism in Action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Darwinism in action.  For the parent's new-found lack of offspring.. not the kid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Darwinism in action .
For the parent 's new-found lack of offspring.. not the kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Darwinism in action.
For the parent's new-found lack of offspring.. not the kid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438272</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1268325660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441548</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...The law isn't there to stop negligence? The law has saved many, many children from dangerous living conditions. Your words strike me as very harsh and hurtful. Equally harsh that other people support your opinions and mod you as insightful. Perhaps you're too distant and ignorant to fact that some parents simply don't care about their own children. That makes you a good parent. It does not make your opinion valid. Or even supported.</p><p>Negligence as an liability offense described in three general classes; Willfully blind, neglectful, inattentive. This is subjective to proving state of mind of the parents during the child's death. However, there should be nothing unclear about associating negligence with a child even possessing a firearm. Nor should there be any question that negligence occurred. Just as a mother leaving behind a child inside a car during a hot summer day is negligence. Or in my case, a father who abused me while my mother did not intervene would be considered negligence on her part. Perhaps the DA will see punishment to restrict the step-father from possessing a firearm. Perhaps punishment should be sought to get any other children out of that household. The article is simply not detailed enough. It appears that a full investigation has not been concluded yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...The law is n't there to stop negligence ?
The law has saved many , many children from dangerous living conditions .
Your words strike me as very harsh and hurtful .
Equally harsh that other people support your opinions and mod you as insightful .
Perhaps you 're too distant and ignorant to fact that some parents simply do n't care about their own children .
That makes you a good parent .
It does not make your opinion valid .
Or even supported.Negligence as an liability offense described in three general classes ; Willfully blind , neglectful , inattentive .
This is subjective to proving state of mind of the parents during the child 's death .
However , there should be nothing unclear about associating negligence with a child even possessing a firearm .
Nor should there be any question that negligence occurred .
Just as a mother leaving behind a child inside a car during a hot summer day is negligence .
Or in my case , a father who abused me while my mother did not intervene would be considered negligence on her part .
Perhaps the DA will see punishment to restrict the step-father from possessing a firearm .
Perhaps punishment should be sought to get any other children out of that household .
The article is simply not detailed enough .
It appears that a full investigation has not been concluded yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...The law isn't there to stop negligence?
The law has saved many, many children from dangerous living conditions.
Your words strike me as very harsh and hurtful.
Equally harsh that other people support your opinions and mod you as insightful.
Perhaps you're too distant and ignorant to fact that some parents simply don't care about their own children.
That makes you a good parent.
It does not make your opinion valid.
Or even supported.Negligence as an liability offense described in three general classes; Willfully blind, neglectful, inattentive.
This is subjective to proving state of mind of the parents during the child's death.
However, there should be nothing unclear about associating negligence with a child even possessing a firearm.
Nor should there be any question that negligence occurred.
Just as a mother leaving behind a child inside a car during a hot summer day is negligence.
Or in my case, a father who abused me while my mother did not intervene would be considered negligence on her part.
Perhaps the DA will see punishment to restrict the step-father from possessing a firearm.
Perhaps punishment should be sought to get any other children out of that household.
The article is simply not detailed enough.
It appears that a full investigation has not been concluded yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441372</id>
	<title>Re:As a responsible gun owner...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have some friends who taught their kids that "gun" was a bad word just like "crap" and "darn".  Probably a bit extreme (and missed the point), but it's better than nothing.</p><p>The key is teach the kid what's appropriate for their age and maturity level.  For some, it's to "run away and tell a grown up."  For others, it's proper gun safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have some friends who taught their kids that " gun " was a bad word just like " crap " and " darn " .
Probably a bit extreme ( and missed the point ) , but it 's better than nothing.The key is teach the kid what 's appropriate for their age and maturity level .
For some , it 's to " run away and tell a grown up .
" For others , it 's proper gun safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have some friends who taught their kids that "gun" was a bad word just like "crap" and "darn".
Probably a bit extreme (and missed the point), but it's better than nothing.The key is teach the kid what's appropriate for their age and maturity level.
For some, it's to "run away and tell a grown up.
"  For others, it's proper gun safety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439948</id>
	<title>For the first time ever...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers are actually thinking of the children, and not making lame OMGWTF jokes....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... /.ers are actually thinking of the children , and not making lame OMGWTF jokes... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... /.ers are actually thinking of the children, and not making lame OMGWTF jokes....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31457950</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1268394180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller. </i></p><p>Which ones?  My nieces have liked playing with gadgets and electronics since they were 18 months old.  A loaded gun that looks like a game controller would be just one more gadget to play around with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun , and a lightweight plastic controller .
Which ones ?
My nieces have liked playing with gadgets and electronics since they were 18 months old .
A loaded gun that looks like a game controller would be just one more gadget to play around with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller.
Which ones?
My nieces have liked playing with gadgets and electronics since they were 18 months old.
A loaded gun that looks like a game controller would be just one more gadget to play around with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438468</id>
	<title>Almost as bad: the journalism</title>
	<author>ACAx1985</author>
	<datestamp>1268326140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the face of an absolute tragedy, the journalism is almost as bad. Using these sort of horrible incidents and making absurd connections to gain hits/views/attention on a news article is absurd.</p><p>"Three year old shoots self with gun" or "Nintendo causes kid to commit suicide"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. one is a more accurate description of a real event, and one is journalism exploitation.</p><p>If you own a gun, you don't leave it near a kid. A kid means anyone not responsible enough to know the consequences of pulling its trigger -- this may mean up to 18 years old, if the situation so warrants. To leave a real gun, loaded and ready for shooting, within reach of a three year old should be a criminal offense. The father didn't pull the trigger, but he might as well have.</p><p>Ever see a three year old? Ever see a three year old pull/grab/touch/suck/eat/play with EVERYTHING in sight?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the face of an absolute tragedy , the journalism is almost as bad .
Using these sort of horrible incidents and making absurd connections to gain hits/views/attention on a news article is absurd .
" Three year old shoots self with gun " or " Nintendo causes kid to commit suicide " .. one is a more accurate description of a real event , and one is journalism exploitation.If you own a gun , you do n't leave it near a kid .
A kid means anyone not responsible enough to know the consequences of pulling its trigger -- this may mean up to 18 years old , if the situation so warrants .
To leave a real gun , loaded and ready for shooting , within reach of a three year old should be a criminal offense .
The father did n't pull the trigger , but he might as well have.Ever see a three year old ?
Ever see a three year old pull/grab/touch/suck/eat/play with EVERYTHING in sight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the face of an absolute tragedy, the journalism is almost as bad.
Using these sort of horrible incidents and making absurd connections to gain hits/views/attention on a news article is absurd.
"Three year old shoots self with gun" or "Nintendo causes kid to commit suicide" .. one is a more accurate description of a real event, and one is journalism exploitation.If you own a gun, you don't leave it near a kid.
A kid means anyone not responsible enough to know the consequences of pulling its trigger -- this may mean up to 18 years old, if the situation so warrants.
To leave a real gun, loaded and ready for shooting, within reach of a three year old should be a criminal offense.
The father didn't pull the trigger, but he might as well have.Ever see a three year old?
Ever see a three year old pull/grab/touch/suck/eat/play with EVERYTHING in sight?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438454</id>
	<title>Re:The father is responsible</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1268326140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, I think the whole 'the next day' need emphasizing.</p><p>
You can actually, somehow, vaguely, come up with a scenario where this is understandable if a 3 year old accidentally got a gun <b>during</b> an (apparent) prowler attack. Perhaps the father unlocks the gun safe, and takes out a gun, and there's another one in there and he doesn't lock it back. Or perhaps he even sets it down in relief for a minute or two.</p><p>
It's the whole 'going to bed with it laying out' that, um...</p><p>
Secondly, the article headline should be: A 3 year shot himself with a gun because 3-year olds pick up everything.</p><p>
The idea that he thought it was a 'Wii remote' is not supported by an actual evidence at all.</p><p>
Thirdly, there's no such thing as 'accidental suicide', whatever moron wrote the headline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , I think the whole 'the next day ' need emphasizing .
You can actually , somehow , vaguely , come up with a scenario where this is understandable if a 3 year old accidentally got a gun during an ( apparent ) prowler attack .
Perhaps the father unlocks the gun safe , and takes out a gun , and there 's another one in there and he does n't lock it back .
Or perhaps he even sets it down in relief for a minute or two .
It 's the whole 'going to bed with it laying out ' that , um.. . Secondly , the article headline should be : A 3 year shot himself with a gun because 3-year olds pick up everything .
The idea that he thought it was a 'Wii remote ' is not supported by an actual evidence at all .
Thirdly , there 's no such thing as 'accidental suicide ' , whatever moron wrote the headline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, I think the whole 'the next day' need emphasizing.
You can actually, somehow, vaguely, come up with a scenario where this is understandable if a 3 year old accidentally got a gun during an (apparent) prowler attack.
Perhaps the father unlocks the gun safe, and takes out a gun, and there's another one in there and he doesn't lock it back.
Or perhaps he even sets it down in relief for a minute or two.
It's the whole 'going to bed with it laying out' that, um...
Secondly, the article headline should be: A 3 year shot himself with a gun because 3-year olds pick up everything.
The idea that he thought it was a 'Wii remote' is not supported by an actual evidence at all.
Thirdly, there's no such thing as 'accidental suicide', whatever moron wrote the headline.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438534</id>
	<title>Shift of Blame</title>
	<author>WarpedCore</author>
	<datestamp>1268326260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I had a gun, which I don't, I still totally agree with the one commenter that said he/she put it in an electronic safe with a trigger lock. I also wouldn't leave the gun loaded and have the clips separate but readily available in case I need to rock.
<p>
The story is trying to give Nintendo bad press and is largely trying to connect the dots and rationale of a toddler "suicide" to the video game console when in reality, it was some idiot being negligent with a firearm. The story should read, "Another Idiot Negligent w/ Firearm." Period.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I had a gun , which I do n't , I still totally agree with the one commenter that said he/she put it in an electronic safe with a trigger lock .
I also would n't leave the gun loaded and have the clips separate but readily available in case I need to rock .
The story is trying to give Nintendo bad press and is largely trying to connect the dots and rationale of a toddler " suicide " to the video game console when in reality , it was some idiot being negligent with a firearm .
The story should read , " Another Idiot Negligent w/ Firearm .
" Period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I had a gun, which I don't, I still totally agree with the one commenter that said he/she put it in an electronic safe with a trigger lock.
I also wouldn't leave the gun loaded and have the clips separate but readily available in case I need to rock.
The story is trying to give Nintendo bad press and is largely trying to connect the dots and rationale of a toddler "suicide" to the video game console when in reality, it was some idiot being negligent with a firearm.
The story should read, "Another Idiot Negligent w/ Firearm.
" Period.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31444590</id>
	<title>Re:Some people watch too much TV</title>
	<author>PPalmgren</author>
	<datestamp>1268303100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some black &amp; white punishments exist because its impossible to determine premeditation and intent in some situations without a confession.  As far as I can tell, there should be no way to prove that him buying a wii-controller that looks like his gun and leaving it on the table was intended to get the kid to shoot themself.  In situations like these, its the behavior that creates the crime that is outlawed altogether.  The parents commmitted an act of criminal negligence and should be punished.</p><p>Letting this guy get off scott free for extreme negligence opens the door for other stepfathers to "accidentally" leave a gun on the table cocked and loaded to get rid of the "nuisance" in their relationship.  Guilty consience and greif has nothing to do with the life lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some black &amp; white punishments exist because its impossible to determine premeditation and intent in some situations without a confession .
As far as I can tell , there should be no way to prove that him buying a wii-controller that looks like his gun and leaving it on the table was intended to get the kid to shoot themself .
In situations like these , its the behavior that creates the crime that is outlawed altogether .
The parents commmitted an act of criminal negligence and should be punished.Letting this guy get off scott free for extreme negligence opens the door for other stepfathers to " accidentally " leave a gun on the table cocked and loaded to get rid of the " nuisance " in their relationship .
Guilty consience and greif has nothing to do with the life lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some black &amp; white punishments exist because its impossible to determine premeditation and intent in some situations without a confession.
As far as I can tell, there should be no way to prove that him buying a wii-controller that looks like his gun and leaving it on the table was intended to get the kid to shoot themself.
In situations like these, its the behavior that creates the crime that is outlawed altogether.
The parents commmitted an act of criminal negligence and should be punished.Letting this guy get off scott free for extreme negligence opens the door for other stepfathers to "accidentally" leave a gun on the table cocked and loaded to get rid of the "nuisance" in their relationship.
Guilty consience and greif has nothing to do with the life lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438110</id>
	<title>Violent video games, HAHA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this another attempt to blame a death on games?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this another attempt to blame a death on games ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this another attempt to blame a death on games?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438040</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1268325120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar. Sadly, it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possible</i></p><p>Whether the 3-year-old can differentiate between the two or not, she'd have been likely to play with the gun anyway.  Kids that age pick up and play with anything new they find.  The presence or otherwise of a gun-shaped controller is a red herring; the same tragedy would almost certainly have occurred without it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar .
Sadly , it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possibleWhether the 3-year-old can differentiate between the two or not , she 'd have been likely to play with the gun anyway .
Kids that age pick up and play with anything new they find .
The presence or otherwise of a gun-shaped controller is a red herring ; the same tragedy would almost certainly have occurred without it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar.
Sadly, it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possibleWhether the 3-year-old can differentiate between the two or not, she'd have been likely to play with the gun anyway.
Kids that age pick up and play with anything new they find.
The presence or otherwise of a gun-shaped controller is a red herring; the same tragedy would almost certainly have occurred without it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439592</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1268329440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not all parents love their children. Certainly not all step-parents. So it is not clear that sufficient punishment was given. Also this case is likely to be used to try to further make firearms illegal, and I would rather see the law punish actual wrongdoers than penalize the completely innocent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all parents love their children .
Certainly not all step-parents .
So it is not clear that sufficient punishment was given .
Also this case is likely to be used to try to further make firearms illegal , and I would rather see the law punish actual wrongdoers than penalize the completely innocent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all parents love their children.
Certainly not all step-parents.
So it is not clear that sufficient punishment was given.
Also this case is likely to be used to try to further make firearms illegal, and I would rather see the law punish actual wrongdoers than penalize the completely innocent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440832</id>
	<title>Re:Think before you speak</title>
	<author>bmk67</author>
	<datestamp>1268334120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not citing any legitimate law codes, but a quick search of google relates that in the state of TN there is no law against leaving a gun out and accessible to a child. So before the "why didn't they lock him up" questions fly (too late by now, I'm sure), that would be because it doesn't appear to be against the law.</p></div><p>I'm pretty sure that reckless endangerment and negligent homicide are against the law in TN.  Both adequately cover this situation.  In other words, leaving a loaded weapon accessible by a non-competent child is a crime whether or not it's specifically described in statute.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not citing any legitimate law codes , but a quick search of google relates that in the state of TN there is no law against leaving a gun out and accessible to a child .
So before the " why did n't they lock him up " questions fly ( too late by now , I 'm sure ) , that would be because it does n't appear to be against the law.I 'm pretty sure that reckless endangerment and negligent homicide are against the law in TN .
Both adequately cover this situation .
In other words , leaving a loaded weapon accessible by a non-competent child is a crime whether or not it 's specifically described in statute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not citing any legitimate law codes, but a quick search of google relates that in the state of TN there is no law against leaving a gun out and accessible to a child.
So before the "why didn't they lock him up" questions fly (too late by now, I'm sure), that would be because it doesn't appear to be against the law.I'm pretty sure that reckless endangerment and negligent homicide are against the law in TN.
Both adequately cover this situation.
In other words, leaving a loaded weapon accessible by a non-competent child is a crime whether or not it's specifically described in statute.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439452</id>
	<title>Anthing Wii that looks like...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there any Wii accessory that looks anything like a real hand gun, even a little?  I have the "gun" attachment from the Link game and it looks more like a shower head than a hand gun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any Wii accessory that looks anything like a real hand gun , even a little ?
I have the " gun " attachment from the Link game and it looks more like a shower head than a hand gun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any Wii accessory that looks anything like a real hand gun, even a little?
I have the "gun" attachment from the Link game and it looks more like a shower head than a hand gun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439600</id>
	<title>Wii gun controller - $17 on eBay</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1268329500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Two-Semi-Auto-Pistol-Hand-Gun-Adapter-for-Wii-Remote\_W0QQitemZ310196100524QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo\_Games\_Accessories?hash=item483920ddac" title="ebay.com">Semi Auto Pistol Hand Gun Adapter for Wii Remote</a> [ebay.com].  It's not even a controller; it's just a case that fits over the standard controller. From some angles it looks very real.
</p><p>
Once you see the detailed photos, it's clear how a kid might point at himself, looking for the Wii controls.  On the gun/controller, there are the usual Wii buttons visible on top.  On the real gun, of course, there's just the slide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the Semi Auto Pistol Hand Gun Adapter for Wii Remote [ ebay.com ] .
It 's not even a controller ; it 's just a case that fits over the standard controller .
From some angles it looks very real .
Once you see the detailed photos , it 's clear how a kid might point at himself , looking for the Wii controls .
On the gun/controller , there are the usual Wii buttons visible on top .
On the real gun , of course , there 's just the slide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the
Semi Auto Pistol Hand Gun Adapter for Wii Remote [ebay.com].
It's not even a controller; it's just a case that fits over the standard controller.
From some angles it looks very real.
Once you see the detailed photos, it's clear how a kid might point at himself, looking for the Wii controls.
On the gun/controller, there are the usual Wii buttons visible on top.
On the real gun, of course, there's just the slide.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437520</id>
	<title>Media Hysteria</title>
	<author>TheNinjaroach</author>
	<datestamp>1268323560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A 3 year old had access to a loaded shotgun and shot herself to death with it, yet somehow we obviously know that it was mistaken for a Wii controller?<br> <br>I don't buy it.  Something smells like Jack Thompson.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 3 year old had access to a loaded shotgun and shot herself to death with it , yet somehow we obviously know that it was mistaken for a Wii controller ?
I do n't buy it .
Something smells like Jack Thompson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 3 year old had access to a loaded shotgun and shot herself to death with it, yet somehow we obviously know that it was mistaken for a Wii controller?
I don't buy it.
Something smells like Jack Thompson.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437954</id>
	<title>At least they didn't shoot the TV...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the idiot who left a loaded gun on the table for the kid to play with deserves something slightly more serious than a "you have to be responsible" lecture. Like 20 years in prison, for example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the idiot who left a loaded gun on the table for the kid to play with deserves something slightly more serious than a " you have to be responsible " lecture .
Like 20 years in prison , for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the idiot who left a loaded gun on the table for the kid to play with deserves something slightly more serious than a "you have to be responsible" lecture.
Like 20 years in prison, for example.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438660</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1268326620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that the natural consequences of his actions, in this case, are sufficient punishment.</p><p>However, pressing charges is about more than just punishment: this guy should <b>never</b> be allowed to touch a firearm again, much less own one.  He needs something on his criminal record to trigger on background checks, too.</p><p>This isn't intended to punish, only to protect the rest of us from someone so irresponsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that the natural consequences of his actions , in this case , are sufficient punishment.However , pressing charges is about more than just punishment : this guy should never be allowed to touch a firearm again , much less own one .
He needs something on his criminal record to trigger on background checks , too.This is n't intended to punish , only to protect the rest of us from someone so irresponsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that the natural consequences of his actions, in this case, are sufficient punishment.However, pressing charges is about more than just punishment: this guy should never be allowed to touch a firearm again, much less own one.
He needs something on his criminal record to trigger on background checks, too.This isn't intended to punish, only to protect the rest of us from someone so irresponsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438290</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1268325720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why?</p><p>There is no reason why a three year old couldn't pull the trigger on a modern automatic pistol with a round chambered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ? There is no reason why a three year old could n't pull the trigger on a modern automatic pistol with a round chambered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?There is no reason why a three year old couldn't pull the trigger on a modern automatic pistol with a round chambered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31454414</id>
	<title>Gun resembled controller</title>
	<author>djnforce9</author>
	<datestamp>1268422680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not that I am blaming Nintendo's designers in any shape or form (it was clearly the parents' (or in this case step-parents) fault for leaving the loaded weapon within reach of an unsupervised child) but perhaps this could be one of the reasons why toys today are no longer supposed to resemble real weapons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that I am blaming Nintendo 's designers in any shape or form ( it was clearly the parents ' ( or in this case step-parents ) fault for leaving the loaded weapon within reach of an unsupervised child ) but perhaps this could be one of the reasons why toys today are no longer supposed to resemble real weapons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that I am blaming Nintendo's designers in any shape or form (it was clearly the parents' (or in this case step-parents) fault for leaving the loaded weapon within reach of an unsupervised child) but perhaps this could be one of the reasons why toys today are no longer supposed to resemble real weapons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437600</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>somersault</author>
	<datestamp>1268323800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still - who shoots themself with their Wii controller? Or did she shoot herself in the foot?</p><p>And who the fuck leaves a loaded gun on a table when they have a three year old kid on the loose? This guy should be in prison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still - who shoots themself with their Wii controller ?
Or did she shoot herself in the foot ? And who the fuck leaves a loaded gun on a table when they have a three year old kid on the loose ?
This guy should be in prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still - who shoots themself with their Wii controller?
Or did she shoot herself in the foot?And who the fuck leaves a loaded gun on a table when they have a three year old kid on the loose?
This guy should be in prison.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31442556</id>
	<title>Bogus statistics</title>
	<author>moeinvt</author>
	<datestamp>1268340300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>". . . a gun in the home is 21 times more likely to injure a family member than protect the home from intruders."</p><p>BULL-$#1T!</p><p>If he spoke those words exactly as written in the article, it's a flat out lie.  More than likely, Helmke quoted a real statistic and the writer sort of "accidentally" twisted it to achieve the desired effect.</p><p>A true statement is: "A gun in the home is much more likely to be used to KILL someone living in the home than to be used to KILL an intruder."  The anti-gun crowd is more than willing to proliferate this stat and then let people like this writer blatantly mis-quote and misinterpret it to achieve the desired effect.  I've seen/heard statements like the one made in this article at least 100 times from various sources.  Such statements are clearly based on the aformentioned fact, but they're almost always inaccurate.</p><p>Even when quoted accurately, the statistic is totally misleading because the number of cases involving the death of a member of the household includes suicides, justifiable homicides (e.g. an abused spouse acting in self defense) and murders in addition to accidents.</p><p>Furthermore, in the vast majority of defensive firearms uses, in the home or otherwise, no shot is ever fired.  When a shot IS fired, there are obviously plenty of "misses" and numerous incidents in which the criminal is merely wounded.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" .
. .
a gun in the home is 21 times more likely to injure a family member than protect the home from intruders .
" BULL- $ # 1T ! If he spoke those words exactly as written in the article , it 's a flat out lie .
More than likely , Helmke quoted a real statistic and the writer sort of " accidentally " twisted it to achieve the desired effect.A true statement is : " A gun in the home is much more likely to be used to KILL someone living in the home than to be used to KILL an intruder .
" The anti-gun crowd is more than willing to proliferate this stat and then let people like this writer blatantly mis-quote and misinterpret it to achieve the desired effect .
I 've seen/heard statements like the one made in this article at least 100 times from various sources .
Such statements are clearly based on the aformentioned fact , but they 're almost always inaccurate.Even when quoted accurately , the statistic is totally misleading because the number of cases involving the death of a member of the household includes suicides , justifiable homicides ( e.g .
an abused spouse acting in self defense ) and murders in addition to accidents.Furthermore , in the vast majority of defensive firearms uses , in the home or otherwise , no shot is ever fired .
When a shot IS fired , there are obviously plenty of " misses " and numerous incidents in which the criminal is merely wounded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>".
. .
a gun in the home is 21 times more likely to injure a family member than protect the home from intruders.
"BULL-$#1T!If he spoke those words exactly as written in the article, it's a flat out lie.
More than likely, Helmke quoted a real statistic and the writer sort of "accidentally" twisted it to achieve the desired effect.A true statement is: "A gun in the home is much more likely to be used to KILL someone living in the home than to be used to KILL an intruder.
"  The anti-gun crowd is more than willing to proliferate this stat and then let people like this writer blatantly mis-quote and misinterpret it to achieve the desired effect.
I've seen/heard statements like the one made in this article at least 100 times from various sources.
Such statements are clearly based on the aformentioned fact, but they're almost always inaccurate.Even when quoted accurately, the statistic is totally misleading because the number of cases involving the death of a member of the household includes suicides, justifiable homicides (e.g.
an abused spouse acting in self defense) and murders in addition to accidents.Furthermore, in the vast majority of defensive firearms uses, in the home or otherwise, no shot is ever fired.
When a shot IS fired, there are obviously plenty of "misses" and numerous incidents in which the criminal is merely wounded.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443562</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1268299800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you a parent?</p> </div><p>I am. Not only that, but I lost my youngest child due to my ex-wife's negligence (he drowned in her pool five days after his 5th birthday). Charges should absolutely be filed against this assclown and he should spend the rest of his days rotting in jail. He's irresponsibility robbed that little girl of her life, there's no amount of crocodile tears he can shed now that will bring her back.</p><p>Too many adults in this country don't act like adults, and then when their children are injured or killed society says "Well, that's punishment enough." That strikes me as being suspiciously like the old story of the man who murdered his parents and then threw himself on the mercy of the court as an orphan. If you're stupid, lazy, or just plain incompetent and a child dies because of that, there is no end to the misery that should placed on your head, now and into the future.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a parent ?
I am .
Not only that , but I lost my youngest child due to my ex-wife 's negligence ( he drowned in her pool five days after his 5th birthday ) .
Charges should absolutely be filed against this assclown and he should spend the rest of his days rotting in jail .
He 's irresponsibility robbed that little girl of her life , there 's no amount of crocodile tears he can shed now that will bring her back.Too many adults in this country do n't act like adults , and then when their children are injured or killed society says " Well , that 's punishment enough .
" That strikes me as being suspiciously like the old story of the man who murdered his parents and then threw himself on the mercy of the court as an orphan .
If you 're stupid , lazy , or just plain incompetent and a child dies because of that , there is no end to the misery that should placed on your head , now and into the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?
I am.
Not only that, but I lost my youngest child due to my ex-wife's negligence (he drowned in her pool five days after his 5th birthday).
Charges should absolutely be filed against this assclown and he should spend the rest of his days rotting in jail.
He's irresponsibility robbed that little girl of her life, there's no amount of crocodile tears he can shed now that will bring her back.Too many adults in this country don't act like adults, and then when their children are injured or killed society says "Well, that's punishment enough.
" That strikes me as being suspiciously like the old story of the man who murdered his parents and then threw himself on the mercy of the court as an orphan.
If you're stupid, lazy, or just plain incompetent and a child dies because of that, there is no end to the misery that should placed on your head, now and into the future.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439806</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>CarlDenny</author>
	<datestamp>1268330160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, the old "show me mercy for killing my parents because...I'm an orphan." defense.</p><p>If this guy had anything near a normal emotional reaction to his (step)child, he would have locked away the gun.  You can't assume criminals are going to punish themselves emotionally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , the old " show me mercy for killing my parents because...I 'm an orphan .
" defense.If this guy had anything near a normal emotional reaction to his ( step ) child , he would have locked away the gun .
You ca n't assume criminals are going to punish themselves emotionally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, the old "show me mercy for killing my parents because...I'm an orphan.
" defense.If this guy had anything near a normal emotional reaction to his (step)child, he would have locked away the gun.
You can't assume criminals are going to punish themselves emotionally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438788</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.</i> </p><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child. [...]  no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.</p></div><p>Do you know the guy? Maybe he's laughing and dancing because he no longer has to take care of another man's child? Do you know how his feelings for her?</p><p>I'm with those who say, there has to be some punishment. If he really left a loaded gun in the reach of the child, the death is somewhere between grossly negligent and intentional homicide.</p><p>He should at least permanently lose any arms license and get a few years probation. Unless they can prove intent to get the child killed, in which case it should be a regular murder trial.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me .
Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child .
[ ... ] no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he 's done to himself.Do you know the guy ?
Maybe he 's laughing and dancing because he no longer has to take care of another man 's child ?
Do you know how his feelings for her ? I 'm with those who say , there has to be some punishment .
If he really left a loaded gun in the reach of the child , the death is somewhere between grossly negligent and intentional homicide.He should at least permanently lose any arms license and get a few years probation .
Unless they can prove intent to get the child killed , in which case it should be a regular murder trial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.
Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.
[...]  no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.Do you know the guy?
Maybe he's laughing and dancing because he no longer has to take care of another man's child?
Do you know how his feelings for her?I'm with those who say, there has to be some punishment.
If he really left a loaded gun in the reach of the child, the death is somewhere between grossly negligent and intentional homicide.He should at least permanently lose any arms license and get a few years probation.
Unless they can prove intent to get the child killed, in which case it should be a regular murder trial.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438718</id>
	<title>Re:Suspicious story</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1268326740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are, because they ain't as nutty as this guy was. Nope, they are responsible gun nuts.</p></div><p>And cleaning chemical nuts will explain just how safe cleaning chemicals really are [when used responsibly], because they ain't as nutty as this guy was. Nope, they are responsible cleaning chemical nuts.  Tools are tools, and are great when used for their purposes.  Had the stepfather in this story been responsible with his firearm, it might have been used to protect the little girl some day (ie, kill/maim an attacker).  Instead, what the stepfather did here is no different than taking an empty juice box, fill it with anti-freeze, and set it on the coffee table.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr.\_Yuk" title="wikipedia.org">Yuk!</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are , because they ai n't as nutty as this guy was .
Nope , they are responsible gun nuts.And cleaning chemical nuts will explain just how safe cleaning chemicals really are [ when used responsibly ] , because they ai n't as nutty as this guy was .
Nope , they are responsible cleaning chemical nuts .
Tools are tools , and are great when used for their purposes .
Had the stepfather in this story been responsible with his firearm , it might have been used to protect the little girl some day ( ie , kill/maim an attacker ) .
Instead , what the stepfather did here is no different than taking an empty juice box , fill it with anti-freeze , and set it on the coffee table .
Yuk ! [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are, because they ain't as nutty as this guy was.
Nope, they are responsible gun nuts.And cleaning chemical nuts will explain just how safe cleaning chemicals really are [when used responsibly], because they ain't as nutty as this guy was.
Nope, they are responsible cleaning chemical nuts.
Tools are tools, and are great when used for their purposes.
Had the stepfather in this story been responsible with his firearm, it might have been used to protect the little girl some day (ie, kill/maim an attacker).
Instead, what the stepfather did here is no different than taking an empty juice box, fill it with anti-freeze, and set it on the coffee table.
Yuk! [wikipedia.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441322</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>losthought</author>
	<datestamp>1268336040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.</i> </p><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun. I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.</p><p>I'd also betting his marriage is over. Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.</p></div><p>I am a parent and literally incapable of imagining the loss of my child.  The thought is too painful for my mind to conjure.  However, you should not assume that all parents care for their children.  Look around and you will find plenty of examples of parents who could not care less about their kids.  Regardless, remorse does not absolve either the <b>step</b>-father or the mother from responsibility for their negligent acts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me .
Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child .
I would n't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally , with the same gun .
I ca n't imagine how much this guy 's hurting right now.I 'd also betting his marriage is over .
Yes , charges of child endangerment could be filed , but no punishment is going to change anything ; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he 's done to himself.I am a parent and literally incapable of imagining the loss of my child .
The thought is too painful for my mind to conjure .
However , you should not assume that all parents care for their children .
Look around and you will find plenty of examples of parents who could not care less about their kids .
Regardless , remorse does not absolve either the step-father or the mother from responsibility for their negligent acts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.
Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.
I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun.
I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.I'd also betting his marriage is over.
Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.I am a parent and literally incapable of imagining the loss of my child.
The thought is too painful for my mind to conjure.
However, you should not assume that all parents care for their children.
Look around and you will find plenty of examples of parents who could not care less about their kids.
Regardless, remorse does not absolve either the step-father or the mother from responsibility for their negligent acts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438684</id>
	<title>Guns == toys?</title>
	<author>archer, the</author>
	<datestamp>1268326680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's possible (I don't know, just guessing) that someone's trying to make the point that, if you have young kids and game controllers that look like guns, your kids will first learn that all guns are toys. I suspect it's better to teach kids that all guns are dangerous (first) and then later teach them that toy guns are not dangerous in some situations. (Some situations: e.g. don't point a toy gun at a Police Officer or other armed person.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's possible ( I do n't know , just guessing ) that someone 's trying to make the point that , if you have young kids and game controllers that look like guns , your kids will first learn that all guns are toys .
I suspect it 's better to teach kids that all guns are dangerous ( first ) and then later teach them that toy guns are not dangerous in some situations .
( Some situations : e.g .
do n't point a toy gun at a Police Officer or other armed person .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's possible (I don't know, just guessing) that someone's trying to make the point that, if you have young kids and game controllers that look like guns, your kids will first learn that all guns are toys.
I suspect it's better to teach kids that all guns are dangerous (first) and then later teach them that toy guns are not dangerous in some situations.
(Some situations: e.g.
don't point a toy gun at a Police Officer or other armed person.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438244</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1268325600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.</p></div><p>For the vast majority of parents, yes. Which intersects quite well with the vast majority that won't leave loaded, unsecured guns on a table in the vicinity of small children. What's to say he's not neglectful in gun handling and don't care much in any other way either? This reminds me of an old, old question from discussion groups: If you drink and drive with your best friend and you flip off the road and he dies and you live, is that punishment enough? Our table quite quickly agreed that no, it wasn't. Some other table came to the opposite conclusion, I never understood how. Heartache is really not enough, you can have your heartache in jail.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.For the vast majority of parents , yes .
Which intersects quite well with the vast majority that wo n't leave loaded , unsecured guns on a table in the vicinity of small children .
What 's to say he 's not neglectful in gun handling and do n't care much in any other way either ?
This reminds me of an old , old question from discussion groups : If you drink and drive with your best friend and you flip off the road and he dies and you live , is that punishment enough ?
Our table quite quickly agreed that no , it was n't .
Some other table came to the opposite conclusion , I never understood how .
Heartache is really not enough , you can have your heartache in jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.For the vast majority of parents, yes.
Which intersects quite well with the vast majority that won't leave loaded, unsecured guns on a table in the vicinity of small children.
What's to say he's not neglectful in gun handling and don't care much in any other way either?
This reminds me of an old, old question from discussion groups: If you drink and drive with your best friend and you flip off the road and he dies and you live, is that punishment enough?
Our table quite quickly agreed that no, it wasn't.
Some other table came to the opposite conclusion, I never understood how.
Heartache is really not enough, you can have your heartache in jail.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438300</id>
	<title>Suicude in Wii games?</title>
	<author>cyn1c77</author>
	<datestamp>1268325720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously the gun should have been locked up and the parents are horribly horribly negligent.  But I am also curious why the toddler shot herself with the gun.  Was she just fumbling with it or are you supposed to shoot yourself in the game?  Also, what was mom doing 3 feet from the child while this was occuring?  </p><p>Finally, a loaded<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380 S&amp;W feels a lot different from a Wii controller.  I am impressed a 3 year old could even pick it up. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously the gun should have been locked up and the parents are horribly horribly negligent .
But I am also curious why the toddler shot herself with the gun .
Was she just fumbling with it or are you supposed to shoot yourself in the game ?
Also , what was mom doing 3 feet from the child while this was occuring ?
Finally , a loaded .380 S&amp;W feels a lot different from a Wii controller .
I am impressed a 3 year old could even pick it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously the gun should have been locked up and the parents are horribly horribly negligent.
But I am also curious why the toddler shot herself with the gun.
Was she just fumbling with it or are you supposed to shoot yourself in the game?
Also, what was mom doing 3 feet from the child while this was occuring?
Finally, a loaded .380 S&amp;W feels a lot different from a Wii controller.
I am impressed a 3 year old could even pick it up. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438230</id>
	<title>Here's a list</title>
	<author>stomv</author>
	<datestamp>1268325600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1.  A felony gun charge means this man won't ever be able to legally own a gun again.  That's a good thing as far as I can tell.<br>2.  More news coverage, which means more reminders to gun owners to be responsible.<br>3.  More news coverage, which reminds society of the dangers of firearms, and helps us continue the debate about "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."<br>4.  Remember, it wasn't his child.  He was the stepfather.  Nearly all parents love their own children with everything they've got.  Stepparents -- not so much.</p><p>Lots of parents are criminally negligent to children they love.  It doesn't change the state's responsibility to society as a whole, as well as to the children in the home.  This man will still live with at least one other child (a 1 year old).  He's clearly not fit to live in a home with children.  Yes Martha, any responsible gun owner will tell you that this situation is absolutely impossible for a responsible gun owner.  Left it on a table?  Forgot about it?  Nonsense.  As soon as the threat is mitigated, you return that firearm to a holster, and then to a locked cabinet.  No exceptions, not ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
A felony gun charge means this man wo n't ever be able to legally own a gun again .
That 's a good thing as far as I can tell.2 .
More news coverage , which means more reminders to gun owners to be responsible.3 .
More news coverage , which reminds society of the dangers of firearms , and helps us continue the debate about " a well regulated Militia , being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms , shall not be infringed. " 4 .
Remember , it was n't his child .
He was the stepfather .
Nearly all parents love their own children with everything they 've got .
Stepparents -- not so much.Lots of parents are criminally negligent to children they love .
It does n't change the state 's responsibility to society as a whole , as well as to the children in the home .
This man will still live with at least one other child ( a 1 year old ) .
He 's clearly not fit to live in a home with children .
Yes Martha , any responsible gun owner will tell you that this situation is absolutely impossible for a responsible gun owner .
Left it on a table ?
Forgot about it ?
Nonsense. As soon as the threat is mitigated , you return that firearm to a holster , and then to a locked cabinet .
No exceptions , not ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
A felony gun charge means this man won't ever be able to legally own a gun again.
That's a good thing as far as I can tell.2.
More news coverage, which means more reminders to gun owners to be responsible.3.
More news coverage, which reminds society of the dangers of firearms, and helps us continue the debate about "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."4.
Remember, it wasn't his child.
He was the stepfather.
Nearly all parents love their own children with everything they've got.
Stepparents -- not so much.Lots of parents are criminally negligent to children they love.
It doesn't change the state's responsibility to society as a whole, as well as to the children in the home.
This man will still live with at least one other child (a 1 year old).
He's clearly not fit to live in a home with children.
Yes Martha, any responsible gun owner will tell you that this situation is absolutely impossible for a responsible gun owner.
Left it on a table?
Forgot about it?
Nonsense.  As soon as the threat is mitigated, you return that firearm to a holster, and then to a locked cabinet.
No exceptions, not ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438518</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The law has many purposes, it is not simply for punishment (as you seem to think). Rehabilitation (training the moron not to leave loaded guns around!), securing society (removing the moron before he can leave loaded guns elsewhere!), retribution (not relevant in this case), and amends (again, not relevant) all play a role in most modern legal systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The law has many purposes , it is not simply for punishment ( as you seem to think ) .
Rehabilitation ( training the moron not to leave loaded guns around !
) , securing society ( removing the moron before he can leave loaded guns elsewhere !
) , retribution ( not relevant in this case ) , and amends ( again , not relevant ) all play a role in most modern legal systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law has many purposes, it is not simply for punishment (as you seem to think).
Rehabilitation (training the moron not to leave loaded guns around!
), securing society (removing the moron before he can leave loaded guns elsewhere!
), retribution (not relevant in this case), and amends (again, not relevant) all play a role in most modern legal systems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437784</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a parent.  Are you a step-parent?  This wasn't his own child.  Hell, he may even have wanted it out of the way.</p><p>Regardless, society needs to punish this kind of stupidity.  It's not just about punishing the guy; it's also about sending a message to other gun-owners.  Why you'd even have a gun in the same house with a small child is beyond me, but if you do, you need to keep it locked away, not loaded and in reach while you're out of the room.</p><p>The only issue I have with OP is that he doesn't go far enough.  This is 2nd-degree murder, not "child endangerment".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a parent .
Are you a step-parent ?
This was n't his own child .
Hell , he may even have wanted it out of the way.Regardless , society needs to punish this kind of stupidity .
It 's not just about punishing the guy ; it 's also about sending a message to other gun-owners .
Why you 'd even have a gun in the same house with a small child is beyond me , but if you do , you need to keep it locked away , not loaded and in reach while you 're out of the room.The only issue I have with OP is that he does n't go far enough .
This is 2nd-degree murder , not " child endangerment " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a parent.
Are you a step-parent?
This wasn't his own child.
Hell, he may even have wanted it out of the way.Regardless, society needs to punish this kind of stupidity.
It's not just about punishing the guy; it's also about sending a message to other gun-owners.
Why you'd even have a gun in the same house with a small child is beyond me, but if you do, you need to keep it locked away, not loaded and in reach while you're out of the room.The only issue I have with OP is that he doesn't go far enough.
This is 2nd-degree murder, not "child endangerment".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441188</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1268335560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now</p></div><p>

yeah, kinda like Richard Dean Anderson in stargate. did you <i>see</i> how messed up that guy was? though he intended to commit suicide by nuclear bomb, not firearm. let's hope this father doesn't react the same way, or we're gonna see a pretty mushroom one of these days...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't imagine how much this guy 's hurting right now yeah , kinda like Richard Dean Anderson in stargate .
did you see how messed up that guy was ?
though he intended to commit suicide by nuclear bomb , not firearm .
let 's hope this father does n't react the same way , or we 're gon na see a pretty mushroom one of these days.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now

yeah, kinda like Richard Dean Anderson in stargate.
did you see how messed up that guy was?
though he intended to commit suicide by nuclear bomb, not firearm.
let's hope this father doesn't react the same way, or we're gonna see a pretty mushroom one of these days...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438504</id>
	<title>Important facts</title>
	<author>gaelfx</author>
	<datestamp>1268326200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This happened in Tennessee. It was the step-father's gun. Also, if the kid was familiar with gun use because of Wii, shouldn't the TV be dead instead of the kid? The guy claims he heard a prowler, so why did he cock the gun unless he had actually encountered an intruder? It seems to me that either this guy was high (paranoia could easily explain the cocked gun, and the supidity necessary to put said gun within reach of the kid), or lacks the minimum IQ that should be necessary for gun ownership. Either way, something is seriously wrong in that trailer park (check the video).</htmltext>
<tokenext>This happened in Tennessee .
It was the step-father 's gun .
Also , if the kid was familiar with gun use because of Wii , should n't the TV be dead instead of the kid ?
The guy claims he heard a prowler , so why did he cock the gun unless he had actually encountered an intruder ?
It seems to me that either this guy was high ( paranoia could easily explain the cocked gun , and the supidity necessary to put said gun within reach of the kid ) , or lacks the minimum IQ that should be necessary for gun ownership .
Either way , something is seriously wrong in that trailer park ( check the video ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This happened in Tennessee.
It was the step-father's gun.
Also, if the kid was familiar with gun use because of Wii, shouldn't the TV be dead instead of the kid?
The guy claims he heard a prowler, so why did he cock the gun unless he had actually encountered an intruder?
It seems to me that either this guy was high (paranoia could easily explain the cocked gun, and the supidity necessary to put said gun within reach of the kid), or lacks the minimum IQ that should be necessary for gun ownership.
Either way, something is seriously wrong in that trailer park (check the video).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438786</id>
	<title>Re:Suspicious story</title>
	<author>groslyunderpaid</author>
	<datestamp>1268326980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess I'm what you would call a gun nut. I believe in the broad and general right of most of the general public to have firearms in their homes pretty much no questions asked, the right to open carry with maybe just a few questions asked, and the right to conceal carry with a few more questions asked.<br> <br>And I don't even own a gun. Well actually, I do own a break-action single shot 12 gauge that currently is 6 hours away at my parents house, but it hardly counts for this discussion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'm what you would call a gun nut .
I believe in the broad and general right of most of the general public to have firearms in their homes pretty much no questions asked , the right to open carry with maybe just a few questions asked , and the right to conceal carry with a few more questions asked .
And I do n't even own a gun .
Well actually , I do own a break-action single shot 12 gauge that currently is 6 hours away at my parents house , but it hardly counts for this discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'm what you would call a gun nut.
I believe in the broad and general right of most of the general public to have firearms in their homes pretty much no questions asked, the right to open carry with maybe just a few questions asked, and the right to conceal carry with a few more questions asked.
And I don't even own a gun.
Well actually, I do own a break-action single shot 12 gauge that currently is 6 hours away at my parents house, but it hardly counts for this discussion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440106</id>
	<title>Highly suspect circumstance</title>
	<author>wrencherd</author>
	<datestamp>1268331300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The family's story about this incident doesn't really ring true.</p><p>While a 3 year old might mistake a real gun for a video-game controller, the feel, heft and pull strength required to hold and fire it is beyond most adults who aren't used to it, much less a diapered toddler.</p><p>Sounds like a case for CPS to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The family 's story about this incident does n't really ring true.While a 3 year old might mistake a real gun for a video-game controller , the feel , heft and pull strength required to hold and fire it is beyond most adults who are n't used to it , much less a diapered toddler.Sounds like a case for CPS to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The family's story about this incident doesn't really ring true.While a 3 year old might mistake a real gun for a video-game controller, the feel, heft and pull strength required to hold and fire it is beyond most adults who aren't used to it, much less a diapered toddler.Sounds like a case for CPS to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440694</id>
	<title>wii?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this a wii accident? It's a weapon accident for crying out loud! And who is to say he mistook it for a controller?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this a wii accident ?
It 's a weapon accident for crying out loud !
And who is to say he mistook it for a controller ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this a wii accident?
It's a weapon accident for crying out loud!
And who is to say he mistook it for a controller?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440680</id>
	<title>Can we plug Eagle Eddie here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they have materials for kids even that young.  The NRA program is really good and Eagle Eddie himself never promotes guns, touches a gun, holds a gun, or anything else.  I know some shrill critics say he's the NRA's Joe Camel, but that's BS, Joe Camel smokes cigarettes and Eagle Eddie is banned from ever holding a gun in any program materials.</p><p>The program is "if you see a gun, Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the Area, and Tell an Adult."</p><p>They have great coloring books and sticker sheets that go with this.  Please parents, none of these materials promote the NRA or guns in any way, they simply are to keep kids safe.  I am not even a member of the NRA.  Please promote these programs in your schools and homes, even if you don't own a gun, a lot of your neighbors do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they have materials for kids even that young .
The NRA program is really good and Eagle Eddie himself never promotes guns , touches a gun , holds a gun , or anything else .
I know some shrill critics say he 's the NRA 's Joe Camel , but that 's BS , Joe Camel smokes cigarettes and Eagle Eddie is banned from ever holding a gun in any program materials.The program is " if you see a gun , Stop , Do n't Touch , Leave the Area , and Tell an Adult .
" They have great coloring books and sticker sheets that go with this .
Please parents , none of these materials promote the NRA or guns in any way , they simply are to keep kids safe .
I am not even a member of the NRA .
Please promote these programs in your schools and homes , even if you do n't own a gun , a lot of your neighbors do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they have materials for kids even that young.
The NRA program is really good and Eagle Eddie himself never promotes guns, touches a gun, holds a gun, or anything else.
I know some shrill critics say he's the NRA's Joe Camel, but that's BS, Joe Camel smokes cigarettes and Eagle Eddie is banned from ever holding a gun in any program materials.The program is "if you see a gun, Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the Area, and Tell an Adult.
"They have great coloring books and sticker sheets that go with this.
Please parents, none of these materials promote the NRA or guns in any way, they simply are to keep kids safe.
I am not even a member of the NRA.
Please promote these programs in your schools and homes, even if you don't own a gun, a lot of your neighbors do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437634</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1268323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, but the kid shot herself in the chest.  The idea that she was picking it up so she could play a game on the Wii seems a stretch at best, even if it looked similar to the controller.  Hell, even a three year old would be able to tell something wasn't right just by the difference in weight between a plastic game controller and a real gun.<br> <br>
  The fact that she apparently pointed the gun at her own chest and pulled the trigger suggests she just found a new toy and was screwing around with it...unless she was in the habit of pointing the gun at her own chest while playing the game, in which case I can't imagine her scores would have been very good.
<br> <br>
Also, yes the father probably feels horrible, but he still should be brought up on charges, and barred from ever owning a firearm again.  Anyone who would leave a loaded handgun within easy reach of a toddler has proven beyond a doubt that they aren't responsible enough to own a gun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , but the kid shot herself in the chest .
The idea that she was picking it up so she could play a game on the Wii seems a stretch at best , even if it looked similar to the controller .
Hell , even a three year old would be able to tell something was n't right just by the difference in weight between a plastic game controller and a real gun .
The fact that she apparently pointed the gun at her own chest and pulled the trigger suggests she just found a new toy and was screwing around with it...unless she was in the habit of pointing the gun at her own chest while playing the game , in which case I ca n't imagine her scores would have been very good .
Also , yes the father probably feels horrible , but he still should be brought up on charges , and barred from ever owning a firearm again .
Anyone who would leave a loaded handgun within easy reach of a toddler has proven beyond a doubt that they are n't responsible enough to own a gun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, but the kid shot herself in the chest.
The idea that she was picking it up so she could play a game on the Wii seems a stretch at best, even if it looked similar to the controller.
Hell, even a three year old would be able to tell something wasn't right just by the difference in weight between a plastic game controller and a real gun.
The fact that she apparently pointed the gun at her own chest and pulled the trigger suggests she just found a new toy and was screwing around with it...unless she was in the habit of pointing the gun at her own chest while playing the game, in which case I can't imagine her scores would have been very good.
Also, yes the father probably feels horrible, but he still should be brought up on charges, and barred from ever owning a firearm again.
Anyone who would leave a loaded handgun within easy reach of a toddler has proven beyond a doubt that they aren't responsible enough to own a gun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439506</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1268329200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The trigger pull on most single action autoloaders is only in the range of 4-6lbs, not an insurmountable amount for a child using both hands. I heard a story while going through firearms safety training about a guy who believed his revolver was safe because the double action trigger pull was closer to 10lbs. What he never considered was that a child could prop the gun against a chair and use its body weight to bring back the hammer, giving it a single action 4lb pull. As far as the story goes no one was hurt, but he went out and bought a safe that day.<br> <br>

The lesson was never underestimate the ability of a child to do things you assumed they couldn't for any reason.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trigger pull on most single action autoloaders is only in the range of 4-6lbs , not an insurmountable amount for a child using both hands .
I heard a story while going through firearms safety training about a guy who believed his revolver was safe because the double action trigger pull was closer to 10lbs .
What he never considered was that a child could prop the gun against a chair and use its body weight to bring back the hammer , giving it a single action 4lb pull .
As far as the story goes no one was hurt , but he went out and bought a safe that day .
The lesson was never underestimate the ability of a child to do things you assumed they could n't for any reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trigger pull on most single action autoloaders is only in the range of 4-6lbs, not an insurmountable amount for a child using both hands.
I heard a story while going through firearms safety training about a guy who believed his revolver was safe because the double action trigger pull was closer to 10lbs.
What he never considered was that a child could prop the gun against a chair and use its body weight to bring back the hammer, giving it a single action 4lb pull.
As far as the story goes no one was hurt, but he went out and bought a safe that day.
The lesson was never underestimate the ability of a child to do things you assumed they couldn't for any reason.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437658</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440648</id>
	<title>Re:As a responsible gun owner...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From the time he could talk I have drilled my son that when he sees a gun, what does he do?  "Run away and tell a grown up."  What if your friend wants to pick it up?  "Run away and tell a grown up."  What if your friend has it first and wants to show you?  "Run away and tell a grown up."</p></div><p>What a lightweight liberal!</p><p>I teach my son that when he sees a gun, he should yell "GUN!!" to alert his comrades, duck behind cover, then pull his own weapon.</p><p>I bet Nancy Pelosi teaches her grandkids to go crying to mommy whenever they see a gun.  Bah!</p><p>That's sarcasm, by the by</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the time he could talk I have drilled my son that when he sees a gun , what does he do ?
" Run away and tell a grown up .
" What if your friend wants to pick it up ?
" Run away and tell a grown up .
" What if your friend has it first and wants to show you ?
" Run away and tell a grown up .
" What a lightweight liberal ! I teach my son that when he sees a gun , he should yell " GUN ! !
" to alert his comrades , duck behind cover , then pull his own weapon.I bet Nancy Pelosi teaches her grandkids to go crying to mommy whenever they see a gun .
Bah ! That 's sarcasm , by the by</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the time he could talk I have drilled my son that when he sees a gun, what does he do?
"Run away and tell a grown up.
"  What if your friend wants to pick it up?
"Run away and tell a grown up.
"  What if your friend has it first and wants to show you?
"Run away and tell a grown up.
"What a lightweight liberal!I teach my son that when he sees a gun, he should yell "GUN!!
" to alert his comrades, duck behind cover, then pull his own weapon.I bet Nancy Pelosi teaches her grandkids to go crying to mommy whenever they see a gun.
Bah!That's sarcasm, by the by
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437794</id>
	<title>Congrats, you win a Darwin Award!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love survival of the fittest. It's not the kids fault, but his gene pool, as evidenced by his parents, is a dead end. Good riddance! Send me the Wii.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love survival of the fittest .
It 's not the kids fault , but his gene pool , as evidenced by his parents , is a dead end .
Good riddance !
Send me the Wii .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love survival of the fittest.
It's not the kids fault, but his gene pool, as evidenced by his parents, is a dead end.
Good riddance!
Send me the Wii.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441042</id>
	<title>Darwin tag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268334960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This story should not have the Darwin tag.  The moron with the gun was a stepfather, therefore the girl did not have his genes.  To make a judgment on the stupidity of a three-year old is unfair.  She wasn't stupid so much as naive.  Anyone else with me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This story should not have the Darwin tag .
The moron with the gun was a stepfather , therefore the girl did not have his genes .
To make a judgment on the stupidity of a three-year old is unfair .
She was n't stupid so much as naive .
Anyone else with me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This story should not have the Darwin tag.
The moron with the gun was a stepfather, therefore the girl did not have his genes.
To make a judgment on the stupidity of a three-year old is unfair.
She wasn't stupid so much as naive.
Anyone else with me?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437658</id>
	<title>How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? A toddler pulling the trigger of a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380? A toddler?</p><p>I smell bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380 ?
A toddler ? I smell bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380?
A toddler?I smell bullshit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439838</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>PieSquared</author>
	<datestamp>1268330280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There *is* something they can do that would be worse than losing a child. He has another kid, and this one isn't even a step-child. Take the kid away for its own safety, never let him have custody over a child again. And a few years in jail plus a criminal record wouldn't hurt either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There * is * something they can do that would be worse than losing a child .
He has another kid , and this one is n't even a step-child .
Take the kid away for its own safety , never let him have custody over a child again .
And a few years in jail plus a criminal record would n't hurt either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There *is* something they can do that would be worse than losing a child.
He has another kid, and this one isn't even a step-child.
Take the kid away for its own safety, never let him have custody over a child again.
And a few years in jail plus a criminal record wouldn't hurt either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439578</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1268329380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've thought of one that's nearly as bad - take away the other child. Certainly it's worse if you add the two together (1 dead + 1 taken away &gt; 1 dead), and may be necessary for the safe upbringing of the other child.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've thought of one that 's nearly as bad - take away the other child .
Certainly it 's worse if you add the two together ( 1 dead + 1 taken away &gt; 1 dead ) , and may be necessary for the safe upbringing of the other child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've thought of one that's nearly as bad - take away the other child.
Certainly it's worse if you add the two together (1 dead + 1 taken away &gt; 1 dead), and may be necessary for the safe upbringing of the other child.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31449014</id>
	<title>Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come on! Why not nominate her for the Darwin Awards?? She sure he can beat the 1st place as anybody who dies like her is a dork, that's the reason of the Darwing Awards celebrates!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) *chuckles*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on !
Why not nominate her for the Darwin Awards ? ?
She sure he can beat the 1st place as anybody who dies like her is a dork , that 's the reason of the Darwing Awards celebrates !
; ) * chuckles *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on!
Why not nominate her for the Darwin Awards??
She sure he can beat the 1st place as anybody who dies like her is a dork, that's the reason of the Darwing Awards celebrates!
;) *chuckles*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31449776</id>
	<title>Japan's faulty products</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268392080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are we sure this wasn't just a wii-mote suddenly accelerating?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are we sure this was n't just a wii-mote suddenly accelerating ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are we sure this wasn't just a wii-mote suddenly accelerating?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437504</id>
	<title>Law Suit in 3-2-1...</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1268323500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nintendo better get a good lawyer. You know they are going to sue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nintendo better get a good lawyer .
You know they are going to sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nintendo better get a good lawyer.
You know they are going to sue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438950</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a list</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1268327460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As gun owner and owner's rights activist, even I agree, he should get a felony charge. He should have his firearms confiscated. However I do agree with others saying that he shouldn't get jail time. Give him a suspended sentence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As gun owner and owner 's rights activist , even I agree , he should get a felony charge .
He should have his firearms confiscated .
However I do agree with others saying that he should n't get jail time .
Give him a suspended sentence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As gun owner and owner's rights activist, even I agree, he should get a felony charge.
He should have his firearms confiscated.
However I do agree with others saying that he shouldn't get jail time.
Give him a suspended sentence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438230</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437562</id>
	<title>RIP</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1268323680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me observe one postless day to the memory of this child.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me observe one postless day to the memory of this child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me observe one postless day to the memory of this child.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441456</id>
	<title>Re:Some people watch too much TV</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1268336580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but accidents happen.</p></div><p>
This isn't an accident. This isn't "whoops, I tripped and bumped into a ladder and accidentally caused a guy to fall and die." This is "whoops, I left a loaded gun unattended within reach of a child." This isn't an accident. This is criminal negligence, at a bare minimum.<br> <br>
You're right. Accidents happen. This is not an accident. To dismiss it as an accident is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, it's just sad. Pathetic and sad.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but accidents happen .
This is n't an accident .
This is n't " whoops , I tripped and bumped into a ladder and accidentally caused a guy to fall and die .
" This is " whoops , I left a loaded gun unattended within reach of a child .
" This is n't an accident .
This is criminal negligence , at a bare minimum .
You 're right .
Accidents happen .
This is not an accident .
To dismiss it as an accident is ... well , it 's just sad .
Pathetic and sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...but accidents happen.
This isn't an accident.
This isn't "whoops, I tripped and bumped into a ladder and accidentally caused a guy to fall and die.
" This is "whoops, I left a loaded gun unattended within reach of a child.
" This isn't an accident.
This is criminal negligence, at a bare minimum.
You're right.
Accidents happen.
This is not an accident.
To dismiss it as an accident is ... well, it's just sad.
Pathetic and sad.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438986</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1268327580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because in this particular case, the set-up is convoluted enough that it smacks of premeditation. Not to mention that being sorry isn't enough to get out of having broken any other law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because in this particular case , the set-up is convoluted enough that it smacks of premeditation .
Not to mention that being sorry is n't enough to get out of having broken any other law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because in this particular case, the set-up is convoluted enough that it smacks of premeditation.
Not to mention that being sorry isn't enough to get out of having broken any other law.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437652</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437586</id>
	<title>Poor choice of everything.</title>
	<author>Patrick Manderson</author>
	<datestamp>1268323800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, this wasn't an "accidental suicide", it was an accidental death.</p><p>Second of all, putting "wii" in the title is highly misleading and is typical of today's media which is more interested in tabloid journalism, trying to grab everyones attention by assuming all your readers are more responsitive to these kind of headlines.</p><p>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , this was n't an " accidental suicide " , it was an accidental death.Second of all , putting " wii " in the title is highly misleading and is typical of today 's media which is more interested in tabloid journalism , trying to grab everyones attention by assuming all your readers are more responsitive to these kind of headlines.My respect for Slashdot just went down a few .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, this wasn't an "accidental suicide", it was an accidental death.Second of all, putting "wii" in the title is highly misleading and is typical of today's media which is more interested in tabloid journalism, trying to grab everyones attention by assuming all your readers are more responsitive to these kind of headlines.My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437514</id>
	<title>Plain stupidity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, that is NOT A WII ACCIDENT, that is plain stupidity from the parents side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , that is NOT A WII ACCIDENT , that is plain stupidity from the parents side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, that is NOT A WII ACCIDENT, that is plain stupidity from the parents side.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438286</id>
	<title>Re:Guns don't kill people</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1268325720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...but monkeys do, too! If they've got a gun. Without a gun, they're pretty friendly. But with a gun, they're pretty dangerous.</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>"Guns don't kill people, people do," but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that... ( imitates gunfire noises )</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Because guns don't kill people, it's just that certain noise they make. It's just a bullet ripping through peoples' bodies. That's what kills people! Yeah, have guns but don't allow any ammunition. There! We got it! We got it sorted! And they just go ( mimes throwing gun in frustration )</p></div></blockquote><p>(Good old Eddie Izzard: <a href="http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/circletranscript.html#4" title="auntiemomo.com">1</a> [auntiemomo.com], <a href="http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/d2ktranscription.html#squirrels" title="auntiemomo.com">2</a> [auntiemomo.com] and <a href="http://www.auntiemomo.com/cakeordeath/d2ktranscription.html#puberty" title="auntiemomo.com">3</a> [auntiemomo.com]!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but monkeys do , too !
If they 've got a gun .
Without a gun , they 're pretty friendly .
But with a gun , they 're pretty dangerous .
" Guns do n't kill people , people do , " but I think the gun helps , you know ?
I think it helps .
I just think just standing there going , " Bang !
" That 's not going to kill too many people , is it ?
You 'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that... ( imitates gunfire noises ) Because guns do n't kill people , it 's just that certain noise they make .
It 's just a bullet ripping through peoples ' bodies .
That 's what kills people !
Yeah , have guns but do n't allow any ammunition .
There ! We got it !
We got it sorted !
And they just go ( mimes throwing gun in frustration ) ( Good old Eddie Izzard : 1 [ auntiemomo.com ] , 2 [ auntiemomo.com ] and 3 [ auntiemomo.com ] !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but monkeys do, too!
If they've got a gun.
Without a gun, they're pretty friendly.
But with a gun, they're pretty dangerous.
"Guns don't kill people, people do," but I think the gun helps, you know?
I think it helps.
I just think just standing there going, "Bang!
" That's not going to kill too many people, is it?
You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that... ( imitates gunfire noises )Because guns don't kill people, it's just that certain noise they make.
It's just a bullet ripping through peoples' bodies.
That's what kills people!
Yeah, have guns but don't allow any ammunition.
There! We got it!
We got it sorted!
And they just go ( mimes throwing gun in frustration )(Good old Eddie Izzard: 1 [auntiemomo.com], 2 [auntiemomo.com] and 3 [auntiemomo.com]!
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437602</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441692</id>
	<title>Re:The gun doesn't kill</title>
	<author>ErikZ</author>
	<datestamp>1268337600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can have Freedom or you can have Safety.</p><p>If you want Safety, then you're not free to do things that may hurt yourself or others.<br>If you want Freedom, then you or others *will* be hurt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can have Freedom or you can have Safety.If you want Safety , then you 're not free to do things that may hurt yourself or others.If you want Freedom , then you or others * will * be hurt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can have Freedom or you can have Safety.If you want Safety, then you're not free to do things that may hurt yourself or others.If you want Freedom, then you or others *will* be hurt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440078</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439250</id>
	<title>Re:Blame the Wii!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268328360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Don't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the "right" to bear arms. </i></p><p>Bearing arms is indeed your right, whether or not you agree that it should be your right. Read the fucking constitution some time.</p><p>I don't own any firearms but I'll be damned if anyone is going to tell me I don't have a right to own one. I'll give up my right to bear arms when you give up your right to free speech and shut the fuck up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the " right " to bear arms .
Bearing arms is indeed your right , whether or not you agree that it should be your right .
Read the fucking constitution some time.I do n't own any firearms but I 'll be damned if anyone is going to tell me I do n't have a right to own one .
I 'll give up my right to bear arms when you give up your right to free speech and shut the fuck up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the "right" to bear arms.
Bearing arms is indeed your right, whether or not you agree that it should be your right.
Read the fucking constitution some time.I don't own any firearms but I'll be damned if anyone is going to tell me I don't have a right to own one.
I'll give up my right to bear arms when you give up your right to free speech and shut the fuck up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437588</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438642</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, it would be fair to label a story where a kid drank detergent, thinking it was candy as "accidental candy suicide"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it would be fair to label a story where a kid drank detergent , thinking it was candy as " accidental candy suicide " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it would be fair to label a story where a kid drank detergent, thinking it was candy as "accidental candy suicide"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437542</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437936</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>ShadowRangerRIT</author>
	<datestamp>1268324820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...</p></div><p>I'm surprised they can intuit the thoughts of the deceased. The kid was three, and there were no witnesses. The mother was speculating. Three year olds are morons, you don't need a Wii controller attachment to make it really frikking dangerous to leave a gun within their reach. I'm fairly sure the Wii game didn't involve pointing the gun at *yourself*.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...I 'm surprised they can intuit the thoughts of the deceased .
The kid was three , and there were no witnesses .
The mother was speculating .
Three year olds are morons , you do n't need a Wii controller attachment to make it really frikking dangerous to leave a gun within their reach .
I 'm fairly sure the Wii game did n't involve pointing the gun at * yourself * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...I'm surprised they can intuit the thoughts of the deceased.
The kid was three, and there were no witnesses.
The mother was speculating.
Three year olds are morons, you don't need a Wii controller attachment to make it really frikking dangerous to leave a gun within their reach.
I'm fairly sure the Wii game didn't involve pointing the gun at *yourself*.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441060</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another analogy - what's the point to prosecute murders then? After all, the victim is already dead. Right?</p><p>Law &amp; Order. That's what society is built on. You stop enforcing (ie. punishing violators), you may as well throw your society out the window. No enforcement of law == no order.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another analogy - what 's the point to prosecute murders then ?
After all , the victim is already dead .
Right ? Law &amp; Order .
That 's what society is built on .
You stop enforcing ( ie .
punishing violators ) , you may as well throw your society out the window .
No enforcement of law = = no order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another analogy - what's the point to prosecute murders then?
After all, the victim is already dead.
Right?Law &amp; Order.
That's what society is built on.
You stop enforcing (ie.
punishing violators), you may as well throw your society out the window.
No enforcement of law == no order.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31445336</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>SpaceCadets</author>
	<datestamp>1268305980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Boy?  Seriously too hard to read the summary?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boy ?
Seriously too hard to read the summary ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boy?
Seriously too hard to read the summary?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441386</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1268336280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller.</em> </p><p>Uh, correction, a three year old knows no such damn thing.</p><p> <em>Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns doesn't know that you don't point it at yourself.</em> </p><p>Being alive for three years counts as "spending years with guns?" Are you actually, seriously, trying to claim that a three year old is mentally capable of understanding why she should not aim a deadly weapon at herself? Do you LIVE on this planet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun , and a lightweight plastic controller .
Uh , correction , a three year old knows no such damn thing .
Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns does n't know that you do n't point it at yourself .
Being alive for three years counts as " spending years with guns ?
" Are you actually , seriously , trying to claim that a three year old is mentally capable of understanding why she should not aim a deadly weapon at herself ?
Do you LIVE on this planet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A 3 year old knows the difference between a real gun, and a lightweight plastic controller.
Uh, correction, a three year old knows no such damn thing.
Sounds dubious to me that someone who has spent years with guns doesn't know that you don't point it at yourself.
Being alive for three years counts as "spending years with guns?
" Are you actually, seriously, trying to claim that a three year old is mentally capable of understanding why she should not aim a deadly weapon at herself?
Do you LIVE on this planet?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439754</id>
	<title>Re:"Nintendo" and "Wii" in all the headlines....</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1268329980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, of course. Jack Thompson says so!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , of course .
Jack Thompson says so !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, of course.
Jack Thompson says so!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441318</id>
	<title>I Told You</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew all those Dora The Explorer Wii Games and Wiggles music that glamorize suicide would have this result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew all those Dora The Explorer Wii Games and Wiggles music that glamorize suicide would have this result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew all those Dora The Explorer Wii Games and Wiggles music that glamorize suicide would have this result.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31445322</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1268305920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the law says so.  Period.</p><p>Don't like it, organize a large enough group who disagree and change it.</p><p>I for one agree with the idea of them being punished, as does the majority of the population last time this issue was brought up.</p><p>It sucks what they have to live through.</p><p>Think about what she gets to live through, oh wait<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... she can't.  She'll never get to live through anything again.  She'll never get to feel sad.  Have a first date.  Have children.</p><p>You tell me how their loss compares to hers.  They will eventually learn to cope with it like any other death.  She won't ever learn to cope with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the law says so .
Period.Do n't like it , organize a large enough group who disagree and change it.I for one agree with the idea of them being punished , as does the majority of the population last time this issue was brought up.It sucks what they have to live through.Think about what she gets to live through , oh wait ... she ca n't .
She 'll never get to live through anything again .
She 'll never get to feel sad .
Have a first date .
Have children.You tell me how their loss compares to hers .
They will eventually learn to cope with it like any other death .
She wo n't ever learn to cope with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the law says so.
Period.Don't like it, organize a large enough group who disagree and change it.I for one agree with the idea of them being punished, as does the majority of the population last time this issue was brought up.It sucks what they have to live through.Think about what she gets to live through, oh wait ... she can't.
She'll never get to live through anything again.
She'll never get to feel sad.
Have a first date.
Have children.You tell me how their loss compares to hers.
They will eventually learn to cope with it like any other death.
She won't ever learn to cope with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437742</id>
	<title>Has anyone commenting even watched the video?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The WiiMote was apparently used inside some I'm assuming 3rd party contraption that looked just liked the real gun. So, ye sit is kinda sorta a Wii story if the girl thought the real gun was indeed her WiiMote gun. Not the Wiimote itself, but the WiiMote inside the gun.</p><p>And sorry to go all sexist conspiracy theory, but can a 3 year old girl even pull the trigger of that gun? I have ZERO experience with real handguns but I'm assuming some strength is required to pull the trigger far enough to get it to fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The WiiMote was apparently used inside some I 'm assuming 3rd party contraption that looked just liked the real gun .
So , ye sit is kinda sorta a Wii story if the girl thought the real gun was indeed her WiiMote gun .
Not the Wiimote itself , but the WiiMote inside the gun.And sorry to go all sexist conspiracy theory , but can a 3 year old girl even pull the trigger of that gun ?
I have ZERO experience with real handguns but I 'm assuming some strength is required to pull the trigger far enough to get it to fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The WiiMote was apparently used inside some I'm assuming 3rd party contraption that looked just liked the real gun.
So, ye sit is kinda sorta a Wii story if the girl thought the real gun was indeed her WiiMote gun.
Not the Wiimote itself, but the WiiMote inside the gun.And sorry to go all sexist conspiracy theory, but can a 3 year old girl even pull the trigger of that gun?
I have ZERO experience with real handguns but I'm assuming some strength is required to pull the trigger far enough to get it to fire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441636</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide, my ass!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like this one?</p><p><a href="http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/11/hello-kitty-1.jpg" title="geekologie.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/11/hello-kitty-1.jpg</a> [geekologie.com]</p><p>Alright, its a hello hitty AK,but close enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like this one ? http : //www.geekologie.com/2008/02/11/hello-kitty-1.jpg [ geekologie.com ] Alright , its a hello hitty AK,but close enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like this one?http://www.geekologie.com/2008/02/11/hello-kitty-1.jpg [geekologie.com]Alright, its a hello hitty AK,but close enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438924</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>kent\_eh</author>
	<datestamp>1268327340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is not what law is for.</p><p>The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions. What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?</p></div><p>They could receive a lifetime prohibition from owning firearms due to their proven inability to <b>responsibly</b> keep, use and store a deadly weapon.
<br>
One lapse is too much to tolerate. It only takes one lapse for an innocent to die. <br> <br>
I know, I know, right to bear arms.<br>
Rights come with responsibilities.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not what law is for.The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions .
What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that ? They could receive a lifetime prohibition from owning firearms due to their proven inability to responsibly keep , use and store a deadly weapon .
One lapse is too much to tolerate .
It only takes one lapse for an innocent to die .
I know , I know , right to bear arms .
Rights come with responsibilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not what law is for.The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions.
What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?They could receive a lifetime prohibition from owning firearms due to their proven inability to responsibly keep, use and store a deadly weapon.
One lapse is too much to tolerate.
It only takes one lapse for an innocent to die.
I know, I know, right to bear arms.
Rights come with responsibilities.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439538</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide? Try murder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't believe a three year old could have mistaken a gun for a wiimote either, and I find it extremely dubious how you could actually conclude this was a confusion after the kid is dead. Heck, even if it HAD been a wiimote, you know, the kid would have been accustomed to pointing it forward and all (because the WII's IR sensors don't receive anything otherwise and all that).</p><p>But that doesn't mean that one has to suspect murder. Really, daddy or mommy carrying around a gun at some point is enough to make a kid want to investigate it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe a three year old could have mistaken a gun for a wiimote either , and I find it extremely dubious how you could actually conclude this was a confusion after the kid is dead .
Heck , even if it HAD been a wiimote , you know , the kid would have been accustomed to pointing it forward and all ( because the WII 's IR sensors do n't receive anything otherwise and all that ) .But that does n't mean that one has to suspect murder .
Really , daddy or mommy carrying around a gun at some point is enough to make a kid want to investigate it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe a three year old could have mistaken a gun for a wiimote either, and I find it extremely dubious how you could actually conclude this was a confusion after the kid is dead.
Heck, even if it HAD been a wiimote, you know, the kid would have been accustomed to pointing it forward and all (because the WII's IR sensors don't receive anything otherwise and all that).But that doesn't mean that one has to suspect murder.
Really, daddy or mommy carrying around a gun at some point is enough to make a kid want to investigate it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440474</id>
	<title>Suicide??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suicide: a person who kills himself intentionally<br>[wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn]<br>This is not a suicide. I doubt a 3 year old had it so rough that they felt they just had to end it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suicide : a person who kills himself intentionally [ wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn ] This is not a suicide .
I doubt a 3 year old had it so rough that they felt they just had to end it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suicide: a person who kills himself intentionally[wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn]This is not a suicide.
I doubt a 3 year old had it so rough that they felt they just had to end it all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438360</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>IICV</author>
	<datestamp>1268325900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is pure speculation the parents came up with in order to avoid some measure of responsibility, and that the media is running with because of the spectacle.</p><p>The child is now dead, there is no way to ask her what she thought. The mother was not there - she said that the child "likely" confused the gun for a Wii controller - so she doesn't know. Basically, the whole "she thought it was a wii controller!" thing is some shit they made up because they can't handle the fact that they killed their child, and not grounded in reality.</p><p>The kid picked up the gun and started playing with it because that's what kids <i>do</i>, regardless of the presence of a Wii in the house. In fact, I would argue that if she killed herself, it is more likely that she was <b>not</b> pretending that the gun was a Wii controller - she would have pointed it <i>away</i> from herself if that was the case, because that's the only way you can get a real effect from one.</p><p>Seriously, take a closer look at the article - the Wii connection is obviously something the parents made up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is pure speculation the parents came up with in order to avoid some measure of responsibility , and that the media is running with because of the spectacle.The child is now dead , there is no way to ask her what she thought .
The mother was not there - she said that the child " likely " confused the gun for a Wii controller - so she does n't know .
Basically , the whole " she thought it was a wii controller !
" thing is some shit they made up because they ca n't handle the fact that they killed their child , and not grounded in reality.The kid picked up the gun and started playing with it because that 's what kids do , regardless of the presence of a Wii in the house .
In fact , I would argue that if she killed herself , it is more likely that she was not pretending that the gun was a Wii controller - she would have pointed it away from herself if that was the case , because that 's the only way you can get a real effect from one.Seriously , take a closer look at the article - the Wii connection is obviously something the parents made up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is pure speculation the parents came up with in order to avoid some measure of responsibility, and that the media is running with because of the spectacle.The child is now dead, there is no way to ask her what she thought.
The mother was not there - she said that the child "likely" confused the gun for a Wii controller - so she doesn't know.
Basically, the whole "she thought it was a wii controller!
" thing is some shit they made up because they can't handle the fact that they killed their child, and not grounded in reality.The kid picked up the gun and started playing with it because that's what kids do, regardless of the presence of a Wii in the house.
In fact, I would argue that if she killed herself, it is more likely that she was not pretending that the gun was a Wii controller - she would have pointed it away from herself if that was the case, because that's the only way you can get a real effect from one.Seriously, take a closer look at the article - the Wii connection is obviously something the parents made up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31445438</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1268306340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The world today is full of people who make excuses to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.</p><p>Who knows why it was mentioned:<br>Perhaps the parents killed the girl and wanted to make it look more accidental<br>Perhaps the police noticed a Wii controller and wrote it in the report than someone else figured that the girl could have been playing with it.<br>Maybe its a reporter or cop just making random shit up based on some photos and wanting to make a name for themselves.</p><p>Either way you are absolutely correct, it has no value to the story.  The parents don't know what happened exactly, if they do, they should have stopped her from playing with the gun.  But the story is, dad wasn't in the room and mom was playing on the computer and didn't see it.  So NO ONE actually KNOWS what happened or they are lying.</p><p>Translation: Someone added the Wii bullshit in when they shouldn't have for some personal agenda they need to fulfill, and my money is on the parents looking for an excuse.  Not so much from 'the law' but from their own personal torment knowing what they allowed to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The world today is full of people who make excuses to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.Who knows why it was mentioned : Perhaps the parents killed the girl and wanted to make it look more accidentalPerhaps the police noticed a Wii controller and wrote it in the report than someone else figured that the girl could have been playing with it.Maybe its a reporter or cop just making random shit up based on some photos and wanting to make a name for themselves.Either way you are absolutely correct , it has no value to the story .
The parents do n't know what happened exactly , if they do , they should have stopped her from playing with the gun .
But the story is , dad was n't in the room and mom was playing on the computer and did n't see it .
So NO ONE actually KNOWS what happened or they are lying.Translation : Someone added the Wii bullshit in when they should n't have for some personal agenda they need to fulfill , and my money is on the parents looking for an excuse .
Not so much from 'the law ' but from their own personal torment knowing what they allowed to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world today is full of people who make excuses to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.Who knows why it was mentioned:Perhaps the parents killed the girl and wanted to make it look more accidentalPerhaps the police noticed a Wii controller and wrote it in the report than someone else figured that the girl could have been playing with it.Maybe its a reporter or cop just making random shit up based on some photos and wanting to make a name for themselves.Either way you are absolutely correct, it has no value to the story.
The parents don't know what happened exactly, if they do, they should have stopped her from playing with the gun.
But the story is, dad wasn't in the room and mom was playing on the computer and didn't see it.
So NO ONE actually KNOWS what happened or they are lying.Translation: Someone added the Wii bullshit in when they shouldn't have for some personal agenda they need to fulfill, and my money is on the parents looking for an excuse.
Not so much from 'the law' but from their own personal torment knowing what they allowed to happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438190</id>
	<title>Re:RIP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How's that working out for you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How 's that working out for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How's that working out for you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437854</id>
	<title>I smell a lawsuit...</title>
	<author>Vyse of Arcadia</author>
	<datestamp>1268324580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this gets a lot of attention, I can see Nintendo suing the parents. To my knowledge, there isn't a single Wii accessory that looks like a realistic gun. And aren't there laws about certain features toy guns need to have (bright orange plastic, et cetera) anyway?<br>
<br>
Also, when is this idiot (the stepfather) going to be charged with manslaughter?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this gets a lot of attention , I can see Nintendo suing the parents .
To my knowledge , there is n't a single Wii accessory that looks like a realistic gun .
And are n't there laws about certain features toy guns need to have ( bright orange plastic , et cetera ) anyway ?
Also , when is this idiot ( the stepfather ) going to be charged with manslaughter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this gets a lot of attention, I can see Nintendo suing the parents.
To my knowledge, there isn't a single Wii accessory that looks like a realistic gun.
And aren't there laws about certain features toy guns need to have (bright orange plastic, et cetera) anyway?
Also, when is this idiot (the stepfather) going to be charged with manslaughter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441496</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide, my ass!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268336760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually your wrong, her note clearly spells it all out.  The Tax Reform Act of 1986 claims another life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually your wrong , her note clearly spells it all out .
The Tax Reform Act of 1986 claims another life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually your wrong, her note clearly spells it all out.
The Tax Reform Act of 1986 claims another life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31442956</id>
	<title>Fathers Story is BS</title>
	<author>Ferret96</author>
	<datestamp>1268298120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I want to know what the father was really doing.  While it is an acceptable explanation that he thought there was a prowler around, I find it hard to believe that after that kind of scare (Honey there's someone outside, go get the kids and stay in the living room! or Honey there someone outside, I'm going to get my gun and check) that the parents wouldn't be more attentive to the situation.  If I need to pull a gun out to go check out a possible danger to my family, my family knows it and is not casually laying around the house watching TV and Facebooking.

It is more likely the guy was outside shooting things for fun, came back in the house and left the gun on the table.  It just sounds better to say he was trying to protect his family.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to know what the father was really doing .
While it is an acceptable explanation that he thought there was a prowler around , I find it hard to believe that after that kind of scare ( Honey there 's someone outside , go get the kids and stay in the living room !
or Honey there someone outside , I 'm going to get my gun and check ) that the parents would n't be more attentive to the situation .
If I need to pull a gun out to go check out a possible danger to my family , my family knows it and is not casually laying around the house watching TV and Facebooking .
It is more likely the guy was outside shooting things for fun , came back in the house and left the gun on the table .
It just sounds better to say he was trying to protect his family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to know what the father was really doing.
While it is an acceptable explanation that he thought there was a prowler around, I find it hard to believe that after that kind of scare (Honey there's someone outside, go get the kids and stay in the living room!
or Honey there someone outside, I'm going to get my gun and check) that the parents wouldn't be more attentive to the situation.
If I need to pull a gun out to go check out a possible danger to my family, my family knows it and is not casually laying around the house watching TV and Facebooking.
It is more likely the guy was outside shooting things for fun, came back in the house and left the gun on the table.
It just sounds better to say he was trying to protect his family.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443152</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1268298720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.</p></div><p>That's not necessarily true. There are parents who abuse, exploit or even kill their own children.  I don't think that's what we're dealing with here.  The sheer danger to everyone of leaving a loaded firearm where a toddler can get at it argues for plain stupidity and negligence.   But we can't conclude anything by extrapolating from how we'd feel.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.That 's not necessarily true .
There are parents who abuse , exploit or even kill their own children .
I do n't think that 's what we 're dealing with here .
The sheer danger to everyone of leaving a loaded firearm where a toddler can get at it argues for plain stupidity and negligence .
But we ca n't conclude anything by extrapolating from how we 'd feel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.That's not necessarily true.
There are parents who abuse, exploit or even kill their own children.
I don't think that's what we're dealing with here.
The sheer danger to everyone of leaving a loaded firearm where a toddler can get at it argues for plain stupidity and negligence.
But we can't conclude anything by extrapolating from how we'd feel.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31446458</id>
	<title>Re:Some people watch too much TV</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1268310780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh, America is very much nicer than how it all started.</p><p>If you remember<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>An eye for an eye,<br>A tooth for a tooth,<br>and a life for a life.</p><p>Personally, I don't want the guy locked up either.  I don't feel like paying for it.  Lets just get old school on the parents and take a life for life.</p><p>But how far would you like to take it?  Where do you draw the line?  Would you prefer that we don't punish anyone that feels bad about what they did?  I'd be the 'saddest most upset about his job' car thief on the planet if that were the case.  Hell, I'd probably have to feel bad for murdering a couple people as well.  I could commit a lot of crimes and deal with 'feeling bad about it' later I think.</p><p>We should definitely do that, it sounds like it'll work out freaking awesome<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , America is very much nicer than how it all started.If you remember ...An eye for an eye,A tooth for a tooth,and a life for a life.Personally , I do n't want the guy locked up either .
I do n't feel like paying for it .
Lets just get old school on the parents and take a life for life.But how far would you like to take it ?
Where do you draw the line ?
Would you prefer that we do n't punish anyone that feels bad about what they did ?
I 'd be the 'saddest most upset about his job ' car thief on the planet if that were the case .
Hell , I 'd probably have to feel bad for murdering a couple people as well .
I could commit a lot of crimes and deal with 'feeling bad about it ' later I think.We should definitely do that , it sounds like it 'll work out freaking awesome .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, America is very much nicer than how it all started.If you remember ...An eye for an eye,A tooth for a tooth,and a life for a life.Personally, I don't want the guy locked up either.
I don't feel like paying for it.
Lets just get old school on the parents and take a life for life.But how far would you like to take it?
Where do you draw the line?
Would you prefer that we don't punish anyone that feels bad about what they did?
I'd be the 'saddest most upset about his job' car thief on the planet if that were the case.
Hell, I'd probably have to feel bad for murdering a couple people as well.
I could commit a lot of crimes and deal with 'feeling bad about it' later I think.We should definitely do that, it sounds like it'll work out freaking awesome ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438238</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Dorkmaster Flek</author>
	<datestamp>1268325600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently, the Wii gun controller the parents actually own is <a href="http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98988-Girls-Death-Linked-to-Realistic-Gun-Shaped-Wii-Controller" title="escapistmagazine.com">incredibly life-like</a> [escapistmagazine.com], which would explain why the mother's explanation may actually have some merit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , the Wii gun controller the parents actually own is incredibly life-like [ escapistmagazine.com ] , which would explain why the mother 's explanation may actually have some merit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, the Wii gun controller the parents actually own is incredibly life-like [escapistmagazine.com], which would explain why the mother's explanation may actually have some merit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437808</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except he is a <i>stepfather.</i></p><p><i>Call me "crazy conspiracy theory lunatic" but this is a great plan to get rid of the "TAX" (aggregated "value") that came with marrying this guy wife. Ohh.. I "accidentally" placed my <b>loaded</b> gun in the place where the girl used to play with her toy gun. WTF.</i></p><p><i>I definitely agree they should press charges against this bastard. He is irresponsible and caused the murder of this girl.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except he is a stepfather.Call me " crazy conspiracy theory lunatic " but this is a great plan to get rid of the " TAX " ( aggregated " value " ) that came with marrying this guy wife .
Ohh.. I " accidentally " placed my loaded gun in the place where the girl used to play with her toy gun .
WTF.I definitely agree they should press charges against this bastard .
He is irresponsible and caused the murder of this girl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except he is a stepfather.Call me "crazy conspiracy theory lunatic" but this is a great plan to get rid of the "TAX" (aggregated "value") that came with marrying this guy wife.
Ohh.. I "accidentally" placed my loaded gun in the place where the girl used to play with her toy gun.
WTF.I definitely agree they should press charges against this bastard.
He is irresponsible and caused the murder of this girl.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437610</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439942</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off, you seem to be ignoring the fact that he has another kid. Where's the justice for that kid, and the wife? Even if he loses his right to own a gun, there are plenty of other ways negligence could kill the second child.<br>
<br>
Perhaps more importantly, though, our justice system does not work on the principle that if you're *really* sorry, you're forgiven. That's kindergarten and religion. And don't forget that there are people who wouldn't be all that beat up over losing a daughter - especially a step-daughter. You wouldn't necessarily know by looking at them, either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , you seem to be ignoring the fact that he has another kid .
Where 's the justice for that kid , and the wife ?
Even if he loses his right to own a gun , there are plenty of other ways negligence could kill the second child .
Perhaps more importantly , though , our justice system does not work on the principle that if you 're * really * sorry , you 're forgiven .
That 's kindergarten and religion .
And do n't forget that there are people who would n't be all that beat up over losing a daughter - especially a step-daughter .
You would n't necessarily know by looking at them , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, you seem to be ignoring the fact that he has another kid.
Where's the justice for that kid, and the wife?
Even if he loses his right to own a gun, there are plenty of other ways negligence could kill the second child.
Perhaps more importantly, though, our justice system does not work on the principle that if you're *really* sorry, you're forgiven.
That's kindergarten and religion.
And don't forget that there are people who wouldn't be all that beat up over losing a daughter - especially a step-daughter.
You wouldn't necessarily know by looking at them, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440070</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1268331060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?</p></div><p>To explain why the grief-stricken parents are suing Nintendo.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin ' story ? To explain why the grief-stricken parents are suing Nintendo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?To explain why the grief-stricken parents are suing Nintendo.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439952</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do they know the kid thought it was a control?</p><p>They're making an assumption, which is really an unverifiable excuse. You can't ask the kid if he/she thought it was a Wii controller. That the kid played a Wii shooting game with a fake gun doesn't mean he/she thought it was a Wii controller. You cannot make a causal claim out of this correlation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do they know the kid thought it was a control ? They 're making an assumption , which is really an unverifiable excuse .
You ca n't ask the kid if he/she thought it was a Wii controller .
That the kid played a Wii shooting game with a fake gun does n't mean he/she thought it was a Wii controller .
You can not make a causal claim out of this correlation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do they know the kid thought it was a control?They're making an assumption, which is really an unverifiable excuse.
You can't ask the kid if he/she thought it was a Wii controller.
That the kid played a Wii shooting game with a fake gun doesn't mean he/she thought it was a Wii controller.
You cannot make a causal claim out of this correlation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437542</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441732</id>
	<title>Re:Poor choice of everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268337780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.</p></div><p>Well I'd call you a fool for thinking that Slashdot is any different then anyone else that is supported by advertising. Salacious headlines leads to more eyeballs, leads to bigger payday.  Also the summary and headlines are usually wrong here anyway, salacious or not. You know the whole "editors aren't really editor" thing.  They're simply monkeys who push a button label accept, and maybe get a small reward afterwards.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.Well I 'd call you a fool for thinking that Slashdot is any different then anyone else that is supported by advertising .
Salacious headlines leads to more eyeballs , leads to bigger payday .
Also the summary and headlines are usually wrong here anyway , salacious or not .
You know the whole " editors are n't really editor " thing .
They 're simply monkeys who push a button label accept , and maybe get a small reward afterwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.Well I'd call you a fool for thinking that Slashdot is any different then anyone else that is supported by advertising.
Salacious headlines leads to more eyeballs, leads to bigger payday.
Also the summary and headlines are usually wrong here anyway, salacious or not.
You know the whole "editors aren't really editor" thing.
They're simply monkeys who push a button label accept, and maybe get a small reward afterwards.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437586</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437964</id>
	<title>HER-self</title>
	<author>Vectormatic</author>
	<datestamp>1268324880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the toddler in TFA is a referd to as shooting herself, not himself...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the toddler in TFA is a referd to as shooting herself , not himself.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the toddler in TFA is a referd to as shooting herself, not himself...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439634</id>
	<title>I think the important thing here...</title>
	<author>aitikin</author>
	<datestamp>1268329560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the important thing here (aside from the tragedy of a 3 year old's death, of course) is that tfa is actually placing blame where blame is due.  They haven't blamed the games, they've blamed the parent (or step-parent) for leaving the loaded gun on the table.  They don't even mention what "shooting" game the 3 year old was used to playing, although, should a 3 year old really be playing <i> <b>any</b></i>  shooting game?  Reminds me of the old "Daddy can I play?" difficulty setting on Doom or Duke Nukem or Wolfenstein (I don't remember which one).<br> <br>Tragedy.  Truly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the important thing here ( aside from the tragedy of a 3 year old 's death , of course ) is that tfa is actually placing blame where blame is due .
They have n't blamed the games , they 've blamed the parent ( or step-parent ) for leaving the loaded gun on the table .
They do n't even mention what " shooting " game the 3 year old was used to playing , although , should a 3 year old really be playing any shooting game ?
Reminds me of the old " Daddy can I play ?
" difficulty setting on Doom or Duke Nukem or Wolfenstein ( I do n't remember which one ) .
Tragedy. Truly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the important thing here (aside from the tragedy of a 3 year old's death, of course) is that tfa is actually placing blame where blame is due.
They haven't blamed the games, they've blamed the parent (or step-parent) for leaving the loaded gun on the table.
They don't even mention what "shooting" game the 3 year old was used to playing, although, should a 3 year old really be playing  any  shooting game?
Reminds me of the old "Daddy can I play?
" difficulty setting on Doom or Duke Nukem or Wolfenstein (I don't remember which one).
Tragedy.  Truly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439156</id>
	<title>Re:Law Suit in 3-2-1...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268328120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nintendo has armies of lawyers, but I would think one fresh out of law shcool would be good enough. First, Nintendo didn't supply the controller. Second, even if they had it's clearly the idiot dad's fault. If they sue Nintendo, or even the controller's manufacturer, they don't have a case. IANAL and even I can see this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nintendo has armies of lawyers , but I would think one fresh out of law shcool would be good enough .
First , Nintendo did n't supply the controller .
Second , even if they had it 's clearly the idiot dad 's fault .
If they sue Nintendo , or even the controller 's manufacturer , they do n't have a case .
IANAL and even I can see this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nintendo has armies of lawyers, but I would think one fresh out of law shcool would be good enough.
First, Nintendo didn't supply the controller.
Second, even if they had it's clearly the idiot dad's fault.
If they sue Nintendo, or even the controller's manufacturer, they don't have a case.
IANAL and even I can see this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440356</id>
	<title>Just wanted to point a link to the local paper.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268332260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are a couple of links to the local newspaper that broke the story.  Interestingly, they're far less sensationalist than the national coverage.</p><p>http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100309/NEWS01/3090354/Wilson-County-child-s-shooting-death-blamed-on-gun-Wii-mix-up</p><p>http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100308/NEWS03/100308009/Accidental+shooting+kills+Wilson+County+child</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are a couple of links to the local newspaper that broke the story .
Interestingly , they 're far less sensationalist than the national coverage.http : //www.tennessean.com/article/20100309/NEWS01/3090354/Wilson-County-child-s-shooting-death-blamed-on-gun-Wii-mix-uphttp : //www.tennessean.com/article/20100308/NEWS03/100308009/Accidental + shooting + kills + Wilson + County + child</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are a couple of links to the local newspaper that broke the story.
Interestingly, they're far less sensationalist than the national coverage.http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100309/NEWS01/3090354/Wilson-County-child-s-shooting-death-blamed-on-gun-Wii-mix-uphttp://www.tennessean.com/article/20100308/NEWS03/100308009/Accidental+shooting+kills+Wilson+County+child</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443094</id>
	<title>Re:The father is responsible</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1268298540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"He was tired" isn't a valid answer.  [...]  Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothing</p></div><p>It's a valid answer not because minutes of sleep have value, but because being tired reduces your ability to think coherent thoughts. The answer is valid because it explains the event. It's not a <i>satisfying</i> answer, because a child died as a result of his mundane negligence, but it explains why he was negligent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" He was tired " is n't a valid answer .
[ ... ] Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothingIt 's a valid answer not because minutes of sleep have value , but because being tired reduces your ability to think coherent thoughts .
The answer is valid because it explains the event .
It 's not a satisfying answer , because a child died as a result of his mundane negligence , but it explains why he was negligent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He was tired" isn't a valid answer.
[...]  Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothingIt's a valid answer not because minutes of sleep have value, but because being tired reduces your ability to think coherent thoughts.
The answer is valid because it explains the event.
It's not a satisfying answer, because a child died as a result of his mundane negligence, but it explains why he was negligent.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439826</id>
	<title>Article should be called "Dumb Parents"</title>
	<author>perotbot</author>
	<datestamp>1268330220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Who lets a 3 yr old play with a FPS that uses realistic guns?

2. Who leaves guns out around a 3 yr old?

3. Who the hell blames the video game for points 1 &amp; 2?</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Who lets a 3 yr old play with a FPS that uses realistic guns ?
2. Who leaves guns out around a 3 yr old ?
3. Who the hell blames the video game for points 1 &amp; 2 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Who lets a 3 yr old play with a FPS that uses realistic guns?
2. Who leaves guns out around a 3 yr old?
3. Who the hell blames the video game for points 1 &amp; 2?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437780</id>
	<title>"Nintendo" and "Wii" in all the headlines....</title>
	<author>mary\_will\_grow</author>
	<datestamp>1268324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... But you have to read the article to see "Smith and Wesson".   Unreal.</p><p>I can see where the conversation gets muddy when someone commits a violent act after playing violent video games.  Not saying anything about that beyond that its at least an interesting topic.    But when a TODDLER finds a LOADED GUN ON A COFFEE TABLE and SHOOTS HERSELF WITH IT are we really going to try to blame it on VIDEO GAMES?!?!?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... But you have to read the article to see " Smith and Wesson " .
Unreal.I can see where the conversation gets muddy when someone commits a violent act after playing violent video games .
Not saying anything about that beyond that its at least an interesting topic .
But when a TODDLER finds a LOADED GUN ON A COFFEE TABLE and SHOOTS HERSELF WITH IT are we really going to try to blame it on VIDEO GAMES ? ! ? ! ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... But you have to read the article to see "Smith and Wesson".
Unreal.I can see where the conversation gets muddy when someone commits a violent act after playing violent video games.
Not saying anything about that beyond that its at least an interesting topic.
But when a TODDLER finds a LOADED GUN ON A COFFEE TABLE and SHOOTS HERSELF WITH IT are we really going to try to blame it on VIDEO GAMES?!?!?
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439960</id>
	<title>Tennesse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Blame the Wii. It's all the Wii's fault isn't it? I bet this kids was destined to play Grand Theft Auto/ steal cars and kill hookers too.  A tragedy indeed that they let their kid play with a gun-shaped controller, shooting things on the TV. I won't let my 8 year old do it.</p><p>A tragedy that there was a lapse of judgment to leave a gun out, LOADED and the safety OFF. I'm not pleased in any way this kid died because of her parents, but I'm glad the Mom had to witness first-hand her and her husband's own idiocy.</p><p>If guns kill people do Pencils misspell words? Think about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blame the Wii .
It 's all the Wii 's fault is n't it ?
I bet this kids was destined to play Grand Theft Auto/ steal cars and kill hookers too .
A tragedy indeed that they let their kid play with a gun-shaped controller , shooting things on the TV .
I wo n't let my 8 year old do it.A tragedy that there was a lapse of judgment to leave a gun out , LOADED and the safety OFF .
I 'm not pleased in any way this kid died because of her parents , but I 'm glad the Mom had to witness first-hand her and her husband 's own idiocy.If guns kill people do Pencils misspell words ?
Think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blame the Wii.
It's all the Wii's fault isn't it?
I bet this kids was destined to play Grand Theft Auto/ steal cars and kill hookers too.
A tragedy indeed that they let their kid play with a gun-shaped controller, shooting things on the TV.
I won't let my 8 year old do it.A tragedy that there was a lapse of judgment to leave a gun out, LOADED and the safety OFF.
I'm not pleased in any way this kid died because of her parents, but I'm glad the Mom had to witness first-hand her and her husband's own idiocy.If guns kill people do Pencils misspell words?
Think about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31448702</id>
	<title>Re:Some people watch too much TV</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1268329980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When my son was 4, he could carry 2 mostly-full gallons of water up a steep hill (30 yards or so) by himself.</p><p>Yet, at the same age, there is no way he could pull a trigger, even a lighter one on a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.22 handgun. He tried. I held it while he tried. Such small hands can't get the leverage, and even if they can get the leverage, there's no way they can (effectively) use more than a finger or two to get around the trigger.</p><p>No, there's something fishy about this scenario, particularly with the gun in question (it has a very heavy trigger). The only conceivable scenario I can see a child (of any age) pulling that trigger is if they put their entire weight into the trigger - and in that case, they'd have to be a bit older than 3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When my son was 4 , he could carry 2 mostly-full gallons of water up a steep hill ( 30 yards or so ) by himself.Yet , at the same age , there is no way he could pull a trigger , even a lighter one on a .22 handgun .
He tried .
I held it while he tried .
Such small hands ca n't get the leverage , and even if they can get the leverage , there 's no way they can ( effectively ) use more than a finger or two to get around the trigger.No , there 's something fishy about this scenario , particularly with the gun in question ( it has a very heavy trigger ) .
The only conceivable scenario I can see a child ( of any age ) pulling that trigger is if they put their entire weight into the trigger - and in that case , they 'd have to be a bit older than 3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When my son was 4, he could carry 2 mostly-full gallons of water up a steep hill (30 yards or so) by himself.Yet, at the same age, there is no way he could pull a trigger, even a lighter one on a .22 handgun.
He tried.
I held it while he tried.
Such small hands can't get the leverage, and even if they can get the leverage, there's no way they can (effectively) use more than a finger or two to get around the trigger.No, there's something fishy about this scenario, particularly with the gun in question (it has a very heavy trigger).
The only conceivable scenario I can see a child (of any age) pulling that trigger is if they put their entire weight into the trigger - and in that case, they'd have to be a bit older than 3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438724</id>
	<title>Multiple faults</title>
	<author>Tomahawk</author>
	<datestamp>1268326740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have some questions here</p><p>1st, who in their right minds leaves a loaded gun on a table?<br>2nd, who leaves a loaded gun on a table with a 3 year old in the house?<br>3rd, who lets a 3 old play shooting games?<br>4th, who lets that 3 old play shooting games with a gun-shaped controller?<br>5th, who makes a gun shaped controller for a Wii?!   It's a platform mainly aimed at KIDS!!!</p><p>This points to a real issue with the 2nd amendment (rights to bear arms bit) - maybe people like this step-dad should no longer be legally a person, and thus not allowed to bear arms.  Let's legally call him a Retard, or something.  Seems fitting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have some questions here1st , who in their right minds leaves a loaded gun on a table ? 2nd , who leaves a loaded gun on a table with a 3 year old in the house ? 3rd , who lets a 3 old play shooting games ? 4th , who lets that 3 old play shooting games with a gun-shaped controller ? 5th , who makes a gun shaped controller for a Wii ? !
It 's a platform mainly aimed at KIDS ! !
! This points to a real issue with the 2nd amendment ( rights to bear arms bit ) - maybe people like this step-dad should no longer be legally a person , and thus not allowed to bear arms .
Let 's legally call him a Retard , or something .
Seems fitting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have some questions here1st, who in their right minds leaves a loaded gun on a table?2nd, who leaves a loaded gun on a table with a 3 year old in the house?3rd, who lets a 3 old play shooting games?4th, who lets that 3 old play shooting games with a gun-shaped controller?5th, who makes a gun shaped controller for a Wii?!
It's a platform mainly aimed at KIDS!!
!This points to a real issue with the 2nd amendment (rights to bear arms bit) - maybe people like this step-dad should no longer be legally a person, and thus not allowed to bear arms.
Let's legally call him a Retard, or something.
Seems fitting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440802</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a list</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268334000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a step parent I take issue with you claiming the child wasn't his because he was a stepfather.  While it may not be his biological offspring, step parents frequently just as close if not closer to children then their biological parent; in my case, my step son doesn't even remember his dad.  Furthermore, I'm probably closer to my step-son who lives with me than my biological son whom I rarely get to see</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a step parent I take issue with you claiming the child was n't his because he was a stepfather .
While it may not be his biological offspring , step parents frequently just as close if not closer to children then their biological parent ; in my case , my step son does n't even remember his dad .
Furthermore , I 'm probably closer to my step-son who lives with me than my biological son whom I rarely get to see</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a step parent I take issue with you claiming the child wasn't his because he was a stepfather.
While it may not be his biological offspring, step parents frequently just as close if not closer to children then their biological parent; in my case, my step son doesn't even remember his dad.
Furthermore, I'm probably closer to my step-son who lives with me than my biological son whom I rarely get to see</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439320</id>
	<title>How does anybody know what the child thought?</title>
	<author>walterbyrd</author>
	<datestamp>1268328600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control</p></div><p>Is that not a bit presumptuous? Does anybody know for sure what the child thought? Maybe the article is being written by somebody is against violent video games.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a controlIs that not a bit presumptuous ?
Does anybody know for sure what the child thought ?
Maybe the article is being written by somebody is against violent video games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a controlIs that not a bit presumptuous?
Does anybody know for sure what the child thought?
Maybe the article is being written by somebody is against violent video games.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439266</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>ElectricTurtle</author>
	<datestamp>1268328420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny story, one of my old supervisors had a brother who was a cop, and this brother was worried about his reaction time drawing, sighting and firing, so he would practice by dry-firing at characters on TV shows. One night he forgot to unload, shot the TV, but luckily nobody was in the house, so he went out and bought the exact same model and never told anybody but his brother.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D<br> <br>
However, I agree, this guy should be told to do community service as a safety instructor. It should put the fear of God into those taking the class to hear his experience. It's really about training. My parents let me have toy guns at a very early age, but they would frequently drill me on how to handle them safely as though they were real. By the time I was given the opportunity to use a real one, safety had been drilled into me so well I would have had to consciously think 'I am going to handle this in an unsafe way' before I could bring myself to do such a thing. Safety had become instinct.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny story , one of my old supervisors had a brother who was a cop , and this brother was worried about his reaction time drawing , sighting and firing , so he would practice by dry-firing at characters on TV shows .
One night he forgot to unload , shot the TV , but luckily nobody was in the house , so he went out and bought the exact same model and never told anybody but his brother .
: -D However , I agree , this guy should be told to do community service as a safety instructor .
It should put the fear of God into those taking the class to hear his experience .
It 's really about training .
My parents let me have toy guns at a very early age , but they would frequently drill me on how to handle them safely as though they were real .
By the time I was given the opportunity to use a real one , safety had been drilled into me so well I would have had to consciously think 'I am going to handle this in an unsafe way ' before I could bring myself to do such a thing .
Safety had become instinct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny story, one of my old supervisors had a brother who was a cop, and this brother was worried about his reaction time drawing, sighting and firing, so he would practice by dry-firing at characters on TV shows.
One night he forgot to unload, shot the TV, but luckily nobody was in the house, so he went out and bought the exact same model and never told anybody but his brother.
:-D 
However, I agree, this guy should be told to do community service as a safety instructor.
It should put the fear of God into those taking the class to hear his experience.
It's really about training.
My parents let me have toy guns at a very early age, but they would frequently drill me on how to handle them safely as though they were real.
By the time I was given the opportunity to use a real one, safety had been drilled into me so well I would have had to consciously think 'I am going to handle this in an unsafe way' before I could bring myself to do such a thing.
Safety had become instinct.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437972</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Stenchwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1268324880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA: "The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,"</p><p>No, the unfortunate thing is that the fucking gun was left out in the first place. Would the child still have shot herself if the gun was left out and they didn't even <i>own</i> a Wii? The anti-gun/anti-vidya game loons are gonna have a field day with this one...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black , basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game , " No , the unfortunate thing is that the fucking gun was left out in the first place .
Would the child still have shot herself if the gun was left out and they did n't even own a Wii ?
The anti-gun/anti-vidya game loons are gon na have a field day with this one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,"No, the unfortunate thing is that the fucking gun was left out in the first place.
Would the child still have shot herself if the gun was left out and they didn't even own a Wii?
The anti-gun/anti-vidya game loons are gonna have a field day with this one...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438646</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268326560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and that's not to mention that I don't think toddlers would be very good at just picking up a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.380, and if it was double-action the first shot on most similar guns I've used requires a really heavy trigger pull (like 10-12 lbs) for the first shot, then lighter for all the following shots, to try to prevent ADULTS with their fingers on the trigger from shooting if they don't really mean to... and let's not forget that if it was a Wii controller, why the heck was she pointing it at herself? For that matter, does a three-year-old even have enough hand-eye coordination to play a FPS game and not get bored after her character gets killed 5 times in two minutes, so why would she have been playing the game to begin with?</p><p>I smell so much BS... the ONLY plausible explanation was that the gun was single-action, the hammer was cocked, and she did something where it fell or she dropped it, and it accidentally discharged when it hit the floor.</p><p>Also, running around the house with a gun when you think there's an intruder, and you've got small children? What happens when one of those children reaches an age when they get thirsty one night and decide to go to the kitchen to get a drink themselves, instead of asking Mommy and Daddy for one? Or when those children are teenagers, and they're sneaking back in at 2 AM? Seriously, guns for home defense and kids never mix well...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and that 's not to mention that I do n't think toddlers would be very good at just picking up a .380 , and if it was double-action the first shot on most similar guns I 've used requires a really heavy trigger pull ( like 10-12 lbs ) for the first shot , then lighter for all the following shots , to try to prevent ADULTS with their fingers on the trigger from shooting if they do n't really mean to... and let 's not forget that if it was a Wii controller , why the heck was she pointing it at herself ?
For that matter , does a three-year-old even have enough hand-eye coordination to play a FPS game and not get bored after her character gets killed 5 times in two minutes , so why would she have been playing the game to begin with ? I smell so much BS... the ONLY plausible explanation was that the gun was single-action , the hammer was cocked , and she did something where it fell or she dropped it , and it accidentally discharged when it hit the floor.Also , running around the house with a gun when you think there 's an intruder , and you 've got small children ?
What happens when one of those children reaches an age when they get thirsty one night and decide to go to the kitchen to get a drink themselves , instead of asking Mommy and Daddy for one ?
Or when those children are teenagers , and they 're sneaking back in at 2 AM ?
Seriously , guns for home defense and kids never mix well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and that's not to mention that I don't think toddlers would be very good at just picking up a .380, and if it was double-action the first shot on most similar guns I've used requires a really heavy trigger pull (like 10-12 lbs) for the first shot, then lighter for all the following shots, to try to prevent ADULTS with their fingers on the trigger from shooting if they don't really mean to... and let's not forget that if it was a Wii controller, why the heck was she pointing it at herself?
For that matter, does a three-year-old even have enough hand-eye coordination to play a FPS game and not get bored after her character gets killed 5 times in two minutes, so why would she have been playing the game to begin with?I smell so much BS... the ONLY plausible explanation was that the gun was single-action, the hammer was cocked, and she did something where it fell or she dropped it, and it accidentally discharged when it hit the floor.Also, running around the house with a gun when you think there's an intruder, and you've got small children?
What happens when one of those children reaches an age when they get thirsty one night and decide to go to the kitchen to get a drink themselves, instead of asking Mommy and Daddy for one?
Or when those children are teenagers, and they're sneaking back in at 2 AM?
Seriously, guns for home defense and kids never mix well...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437822</id>
	<title>Geez</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a rifle. There's this little thing called a trigger lock you can buy... you can also slide the breech out, remove the firing pin assembly and store it separately in your sock drawer or something. Then you can stuff the ammo in your mattress.</p><p>An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a rifle .
There 's this little thing called a trigger lock you can buy... you can also slide the breech out , remove the firing pin assembly and store it separately in your sock drawer or something .
Then you can stuff the ammo in your mattress.An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a rifle.
There's this little thing called a trigger lock you can buy... you can also slide the breech out, remove the firing pin assembly and store it separately in your sock drawer or something.
Then you can stuff the ammo in your mattress.An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438128</id>
	<title>As a responsible gun owner...</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1268325300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's get this out of our systems:  The parents were horribly irresponsible and deserve to be charged with some kind of crime.  In most states (including mine) it is a felony to leave a weapon where a minor can gain access to it.</p><p>That being said, as a responsible gun owner, I don't like my son to have guns as toys.   Toy guns are safe.  Toy guns never hurt anybody.  Toy guns teach every bad habit that gun safety teaches you not to do.  Kids literally think guns are toys and can be handled cavalierly.</p><p>From the time he could talk I have drilled my son that when he sees a gun, what does he do?  "Run away and tell a grown up."  What if your friend wants to pick it up?  "Run away and tell a grown up."  What if your friend has it first and wants to show you?  "Run away and tell a grown up."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's get this out of our systems : The parents were horribly irresponsible and deserve to be charged with some kind of crime .
In most states ( including mine ) it is a felony to leave a weapon where a minor can gain access to it.That being said , as a responsible gun owner , I do n't like my son to have guns as toys .
Toy guns are safe .
Toy guns never hurt anybody .
Toy guns teach every bad habit that gun safety teaches you not to do .
Kids literally think guns are toys and can be handled cavalierly.From the time he could talk I have drilled my son that when he sees a gun , what does he do ?
" Run away and tell a grown up .
" What if your friend wants to pick it up ?
" Run away and tell a grown up .
" What if your friend has it first and wants to show you ?
" Run away and tell a grown up .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's get this out of our systems:  The parents were horribly irresponsible and deserve to be charged with some kind of crime.
In most states (including mine) it is a felony to leave a weapon where a minor can gain access to it.That being said, as a responsible gun owner, I don't like my son to have guns as toys.
Toy guns are safe.
Toy guns never hurt anybody.
Toy guns teach every bad habit that gun safety teaches you not to do.
Kids literally think guns are toys and can be handled cavalierly.From the time he could talk I have drilled my son that when he sees a gun, what does he do?
"Run away and tell a grown up.
"  What if your friend wants to pick it up?
"Run away and tell a grown up.
"  What if your friend has it first and wants to show you?
"Run away and tell a grown up.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437846</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, there are more interesting issues, like a 3-yo actually carrying and firing the gun, not that I'm saying all the 3yo are weak, but compared to a wii-mote, a gun it a bit harder to shoot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , there are more interesting issues , like a 3-yo actually carrying and firing the gun , not that I 'm saying all the 3yo are weak , but compared to a wii-mote , a gun it a bit harder to shoot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, there are more interesting issues, like a 3-yo actually carrying and firing the gun, not that I'm saying all the 3yo are weak, but compared to a wii-mote, a gun it a bit harder to shoot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440078</id>
	<title>The gun doesn't kill</title>
	<author>SpaghettiPattern</author>
	<datestamp>1268331120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The gun doesn't kill but the guy behind the trigger. I say resuscitate the toddler and give him the chair!<br> <br>

I know I will burn in violent flames for this. But karma really is irrelevant here.<br> <br>

We'll hear people defending arms with: "You need a gun in case of self-defence.", "It's a fundamental right for it is in the constitution.", "Speaking loud is in many ways ruder that carrying a gun." or "If we outlaw them only criminals will have guns." Old hat.<br> <br>

In many ways the USA people set an example to the world. Science, free speech, entrepreneurship and lots of other fields. But when it comes to guns the majority of the USA people completely loose it. It doesn't get into their heads that loosely controlled gun possession and violent deaths are stronger linked together than pollution and climate change.<br> <br>

In civilised countries you are hardly ever attacked and hence you don't need guns for self defence. Your constitution was written in a completely different era. It would take time but eventually very few guns will be in circulation and even criminals will use guns less and less.<br> <br>

Go on, call me a tree hugging hippy. Easy enough. But don't escape from the fact that many lives could be spared if the US people wouldn't allow themselves to be played by the gun lobby. Us living outside the US can only observe and see the lunacy. I distract myself from occurrences like this one either through very dark, bitter and cynical jokes or through a sad, respectful silence. I now will choose the latter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The gun does n't kill but the guy behind the trigger .
I say resuscitate the toddler and give him the chair !
I know I will burn in violent flames for this .
But karma really is irrelevant here .
We 'll hear people defending arms with : " You need a gun in case of self-defence .
" , " It 's a fundamental right for it is in the constitution .
" , " Speaking loud is in many ways ruder that carrying a gun .
" or " If we outlaw them only criminals will have guns .
" Old hat .
In many ways the USA people set an example to the world .
Science , free speech , entrepreneurship and lots of other fields .
But when it comes to guns the majority of the USA people completely loose it .
It does n't get into their heads that loosely controlled gun possession and violent deaths are stronger linked together than pollution and climate change .
In civilised countries you are hardly ever attacked and hence you do n't need guns for self defence .
Your constitution was written in a completely different era .
It would take time but eventually very few guns will be in circulation and even criminals will use guns less and less .
Go on , call me a tree hugging hippy .
Easy enough .
But do n't escape from the fact that many lives could be spared if the US people would n't allow themselves to be played by the gun lobby .
Us living outside the US can only observe and see the lunacy .
I distract myself from occurrences like this one either through very dark , bitter and cynical jokes or through a sad , respectful silence .
I now will choose the latter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The gun doesn't kill but the guy behind the trigger.
I say resuscitate the toddler and give him the chair!
I know I will burn in violent flames for this.
But karma really is irrelevant here.
We'll hear people defending arms with: "You need a gun in case of self-defence.
", "It's a fundamental right for it is in the constitution.
", "Speaking loud is in many ways ruder that carrying a gun.
" or "If we outlaw them only criminals will have guns.
" Old hat.
In many ways the USA people set an example to the world.
Science, free speech, entrepreneurship and lots of other fields.
But when it comes to guns the majority of the USA people completely loose it.
It doesn't get into their heads that loosely controlled gun possession and violent deaths are stronger linked together than pollution and climate change.
In civilised countries you are hardly ever attacked and hence you don't need guns for self defence.
Your constitution was written in a completely different era.
It would take time but eventually very few guns will be in circulation and even criminals will use guns less and less.
Go on, call me a tree hugging hippy.
Easy enough.
But don't escape from the fact that many lives could be spared if the US people wouldn't allow themselves to be played by the gun lobby.
Us living outside the US can only observe and see the lunacy.
I distract myself from occurrences like this one either through very dark, bitter and cynical jokes or through a sad, respectful silence.
I now will choose the latter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439434</id>
	<title>A terrible shame...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A terrible accident. When kids are around your gun should always be either on your person or in a safe. If the father was investigating someone walking around the property he definitely should have kept it on him afterwards in case there was someone up to no good. Beyond that though, and kid old enough to be playing shooting games and in a family that shoots knows the difference between a real guy and a toy or at least should. So, double fail on the parents for not drilling firearms safety into their 3 year old who they allowed to play shooting games, but 3 seems a bit young to be shooting anyhow.</p><p>Bottom line though is government has no business prosecuting this family. It's a terrible loss and his loss is enough. Punishment for the sake of punishment, or money grabs by government are not going to change what is already done. This is a personal matter and a terrible shame, I'm sure the parents have learned from this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A terrible accident .
When kids are around your gun should always be either on your person or in a safe .
If the father was investigating someone walking around the property he definitely should have kept it on him afterwards in case there was someone up to no good .
Beyond that though , and kid old enough to be playing shooting games and in a family that shoots knows the difference between a real guy and a toy or at least should .
So , double fail on the parents for not drilling firearms safety into their 3 year old who they allowed to play shooting games , but 3 seems a bit young to be shooting anyhow.Bottom line though is government has no business prosecuting this family .
It 's a terrible loss and his loss is enough .
Punishment for the sake of punishment , or money grabs by government are not going to change what is already done .
This is a personal matter and a terrible shame , I 'm sure the parents have learned from this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A terrible accident.
When kids are around your gun should always be either on your person or in a safe.
If the father was investigating someone walking around the property he definitely should have kept it on him afterwards in case there was someone up to no good.
Beyond that though, and kid old enough to be playing shooting games and in a family that shoots knows the difference between a real guy and a toy or at least should.
So, double fail on the parents for not drilling firearms safety into their 3 year old who they allowed to play shooting games, but 3 seems a bit young to be shooting anyhow.Bottom line though is government has no business prosecuting this family.
It's a terrible loss and his loss is enough.
Punishment for the sake of punishment, or money grabs by government are not going to change what is already done.
This is a personal matter and a terrible shame, I'm sure the parents have learned from this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438430</id>
	<title>Unfortunate Comment</title>
	<author>asdir</author>
	<datestamp>1268326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game," [the Sheriff] said.  (from the article)
<br> <br>
What? That's the unfortunate thing? What about the stupidity of leaving a gun out? Or having a gun in the same house as a toddler? Am I the only one who thinks that once again someone tries to pin a death to a game rather than than weapons or people?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black , basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game , " [ the Sheriff ] said .
( from the article ) What ?
That 's the unfortunate thing ?
What about the stupidity of leaving a gun out ?
Or having a gun in the same house as a toddler ?
Am I the only one who thinks that once again someone tries to pin a death to a game rather than than weapons or people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game," [the Sheriff] said.
(from the article)
 
What?
That's the unfortunate thing?
What about the stupidity of leaving a gun out?
Or having a gun in the same house as a toddler?
Am I the only one who thinks that once again someone tries to pin a death to a game rather than than weapons or people?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438444</id>
	<title>Wondering...</title>
	<author>drej</author>
	<datestamp>1268326080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm wondering if the media are once again gonna start the usual "Videogames kill people" shitstorm. I'd love to see them label the Wii of all things a "training simulator for murder" etcetc. Would be damn funny to watch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering if the media are once again gon na start the usual " Videogames kill people " shitstorm .
I 'd love to see them label the Wii of all things a " training simulator for murder " etcetc .
Would be damn funny to watch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering if the media are once again gonna start the usual "Videogames kill people" shitstorm.
I'd love to see them label the Wii of all things a "training simulator for murder" etcetc.
Would be damn funny to watch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439858</id>
	<title>Wrong title of article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF is up with the title?????</p><p>This is a NOT a frikkin suicide !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p><p>This is a TODDLER (THREE YEARS OLD) who shot himself when the IDIOT parents left a real LOADED gun out.</p><p>Get the facts straight</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF is up with the title ? ? ? ?
? This is a NOT a frikkin suicide ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
! This is a TODDLER ( THREE YEARS OLD ) who shot himself when the IDIOT parents left a real LOADED gun out.Get the facts straight</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF is up with the title????
?This is a NOT a frikkin suicide !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!This is a TODDLER (THREE YEARS OLD) who shot himself when the IDIOT parents left a real LOADED gun out.Get the facts straight</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439160</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Loadmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1268328120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would deter others from doing similar things, that is, leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child. This would be in line with the utilitarian theory of punishment. In the retributivist stance we should punish him, because he committed involuntary manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide if TN is MPC.</p><p>Your view of why the law punishes is wrong. Go read Joshua Dressler's "Cases and Materials on Criminal Law" Fifth Edition chapter two. Remorse may be used to reduce a sentence but is never an excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would deter others from doing similar things , that is , leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child .
This would be in line with the utilitarian theory of punishment .
In the retributivist stance we should punish him , because he committed involuntary manslaughter , or criminally negligent homicide if TN is MPC.Your view of why the law punishes is wrong .
Go read Joshua Dressler 's " Cases and Materials on Criminal Law " Fifth Edition chapter two .
Remorse may be used to reduce a sentence but is never an excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would deter others from doing similar things, that is, leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child.
This would be in line with the utilitarian theory of punishment.
In the retributivist stance we should punish him, because he committed involuntary manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide if TN is MPC.Your view of why the law punishes is wrong.
Go read Joshua Dressler's "Cases and Materials on Criminal Law" Fifth Edition chapter two.
Remorse may be used to reduce a sentence but is never an excuse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31449194</id>
	<title>Re:Blame the Wii!</title>
	<author>incognito84</author>
	<datestamp>1268425440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whoa, now.
<br>
<br>
First, I don't live in America nor am I American. I know a lot of Americans and have had this conversation with many of them. Some agree with me, some see the matter different and others would agree with you.
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I don't think bearing arms should be a right that you're born with. I think it should be a responsibility that one needs to earn. The gun murder/accident rate in the US is higher than that of any developed nation and even higher than a lot of not-so-developed nations. It is probably amongst the highest in the world, per capita. This sort of thing could happen in Canada but doesn't (tougher gun laws, maybe?) and it would never, ever happen here in Japan.
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The problem with gun ownership in America is that too many of the wrong people have guns. The Columbine shooters, the guy who shot up Virginia tech... Would those type of shootings have happened if it wasn't so easy to buy and own guns? I guess you could say that those people could have bought those guns illegally but then we'd be getting into a "chicken and egg" argument. America doesn't just have loose gun laws, it also has a very strong "gun culture". From the outside looking in, it seems a bit crazy, to be honest. I'm not one of those anti-gun people (I had hunting rifles as a kid, served in the reserves, etc) but the thought of owning a handgun and keeping it in my house/on my person is really, really strange/foreign to me.
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I remember reading a Time Magazine piece quite awhile back that said guns bought for "protection" are far more likely to be used on a family member than an actual intruder. I recommend checking up on the statistics. Do you really believe that the world would be a safer place if everyone owned a gun? The murder rate here is a fraction of a fraction of what it is in the US. Cultural difference? Maybe, but I'm sure the illegality of owning firearms for personal use is also a strong part of it.
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Just because it is in the constitution doesn't mean it is something that should go unquestioned. The US constitution was written a very long time ago and the US today bears very little resemblance to the country it used to be. Maybe the second amendment needs to be re-evaluated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoa , now .
First , I do n't live in America nor am I American .
I know a lot of Americans and have had this conversation with many of them .
Some agree with me , some see the matter different and others would agree with you .
I do n't think bearing arms should be a right that you 're born with .
I think it should be a responsibility that one needs to earn .
The gun murder/accident rate in the US is higher than that of any developed nation and even higher than a lot of not-so-developed nations .
It is probably amongst the highest in the world , per capita .
This sort of thing could happen in Canada but does n't ( tougher gun laws , maybe ?
) and it would never , ever happen here in Japan .
The problem with gun ownership in America is that too many of the wrong people have guns .
The Columbine shooters , the guy who shot up Virginia tech... Would those type of shootings have happened if it was n't so easy to buy and own guns ?
I guess you could say that those people could have bought those guns illegally but then we 'd be getting into a " chicken and egg " argument .
America does n't just have loose gun laws , it also has a very strong " gun culture " .
From the outside looking in , it seems a bit crazy , to be honest .
I 'm not one of those anti-gun people ( I had hunting rifles as a kid , served in the reserves , etc ) but the thought of owning a handgun and keeping it in my house/on my person is really , really strange/foreign to me .
I remember reading a Time Magazine piece quite awhile back that said guns bought for " protection " are far more likely to be used on a family member than an actual intruder .
I recommend checking up on the statistics .
Do you really believe that the world would be a safer place if everyone owned a gun ?
The murder rate here is a fraction of a fraction of what it is in the US .
Cultural difference ?
Maybe , but I 'm sure the illegality of owning firearms for personal use is also a strong part of it .
Just because it is in the constitution does n't mean it is something that should go unquestioned .
The US constitution was written a very long time ago and the US today bears very little resemblance to the country it used to be .
Maybe the second amendment needs to be re-evaluated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoa, now.
First, I don't live in America nor am I American.
I know a lot of Americans and have had this conversation with many of them.
Some agree with me, some see the matter different and others would agree with you.
I don't think bearing arms should be a right that you're born with.
I think it should be a responsibility that one needs to earn.
The gun murder/accident rate in the US is higher than that of any developed nation and even higher than a lot of not-so-developed nations.
It is probably amongst the highest in the world, per capita.
This sort of thing could happen in Canada but doesn't (tougher gun laws, maybe?
) and it would never, ever happen here in Japan.
The problem with gun ownership in America is that too many of the wrong people have guns.
The Columbine shooters, the guy who shot up Virginia tech... Would those type of shootings have happened if it wasn't so easy to buy and own guns?
I guess you could say that those people could have bought those guns illegally but then we'd be getting into a "chicken and egg" argument.
America doesn't just have loose gun laws, it also has a very strong "gun culture".
From the outside looking in, it seems a bit crazy, to be honest.
I'm not one of those anti-gun people (I had hunting rifles as a kid, served in the reserves, etc) but the thought of owning a handgun and keeping it in my house/on my person is really, really strange/foreign to me.
I remember reading a Time Magazine piece quite awhile back that said guns bought for "protection" are far more likely to be used on a family member than an actual intruder.
I recommend checking up on the statistics.
Do you really believe that the world would be a safer place if everyone owned a gun?
The murder rate here is a fraction of a fraction of what it is in the US.
Cultural difference?
Maybe, but I'm sure the illegality of owning firearms for personal use is also a strong part of it.
Just because it is in the constitution doesn't mean it is something that should go unquestioned.
The US constitution was written a very long time ago and the US today bears very little resemblance to the country it used to be.
Maybe the second amendment needs to be re-evaluated.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438042</id>
	<title>Yeah, it's the Wii's fault</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1268325120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FTA:<blockquote><div><p>"The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,"</p></div></blockquote><p>

No, the unfortunate thing is that her brain-dead redneck father left a loaded handgun sitting on a table unsupervised and within reach of a three-year-old child.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : " The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black , basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game , " No , the unfortunate thing is that her brain-dead redneck father left a loaded handgun sitting on a table unsupervised and within reach of a three-year-old child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA:"The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,"

No, the unfortunate thing is that her brain-dead redneck father left a loaded handgun sitting on a table unsupervised and within reach of a three-year-old child.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440052</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Labcoat Samurai</author>
	<datestamp>1268331000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And what is the evidence that she genuinely mistook one for the other?  No one can ask her.  And as has been mentioned, the two objects are significantly different; plenty different enough for a 3-year-old to notice.  The Wii link is idle speculation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what is the evidence that she genuinely mistook one for the other ?
No one can ask her .
And as has been mentioned , the two objects are significantly different ; plenty different enough for a 3-year-old to notice .
The Wii link is idle speculation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what is the evidence that she genuinely mistook one for the other?
No one can ask her.
And as has been mentioned, the two objects are significantly different; plenty different enough for a 3-year-old to notice.
The Wii link is idle speculation.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437678</id>
	<title>Nothing to do with the Wii - stupid mistake by</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268324040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the parents.</p><p>The mother is only speculating why, since she can't ask the kid who's dead.</p><p>What about this?  She was 3!  Three year old like playing with things.  They left a loaded gun out in the open.  I wouldn't leave an unloaded gun around my 10 year old nephews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the parents.The mother is only speculating why , since she ca n't ask the kid who 's dead.What about this ?
She was 3 !
Three year old like playing with things .
They left a loaded gun out in the open .
I would n't leave an unloaded gun around my 10 year old nephews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the parents.The mother is only speculating why, since she can't ask the kid who's dead.What about this?
She was 3!
Three year old like playing with things.
They left a loaded gun out in the open.
I wouldn't leave an unloaded gun around my 10 year old nephews.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437922</id>
	<title>Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger?</title>
	<author>KarmaMB84</author>
	<datestamp>1268324760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When Cheyenne fired the gun, Ashe said, her mother, Tina Ann Cronberger, 32, was within three feet of her child.</p></div><p>WTF?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When Cheyenne fired the gun , Ashe said , her mother , Tina Ann Cronberger , 32 , was within three feet of her child.WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Cheyenne fired the gun, Ashe said, her mother, Tina Ann Cronberger, 32, was within three feet of her child.WTF?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439114</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>vxice</author>
	<datestamp>1268328000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that is exactly what the law is for.  from wikipedia "From Medieval Latin (penitentiaria), term used by the Quakers  in Pennsylvania during the 1790s, describing a place for penitents to dwell upon their sins."</htmltext>
<tokenext>that is exactly what the law is for .
from wikipedia " From Medieval Latin ( penitentiaria ) , term used by the Quakers in Pennsylvania during the 1790s , describing a place for penitents to dwell upon their sins .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that is exactly what the law is for.
from wikipedia "From Medieval Latin (penitentiaria), term used by the Quakers  in Pennsylvania during the 1790s, describing a place for penitents to dwell upon their sins.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439458</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Steve525</author>
	<datestamp>1268329080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those cases are always heartbreaking.  It's a mistake anyone of us could make.  You multiply the large number of kids in child seats times the small likelihood of someone making this mistake and you are going to get a finite number of deaths a year.  Most of the time the parents aren't being neglectful, they're just being human.</p><p>To some extent one could say the same about this case involving the gun.  However, I don't think anything involving a gun (especially in a house with kids around) should ever be as routine as driving a kid around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those cases are always heartbreaking .
It 's a mistake anyone of us could make .
You multiply the large number of kids in child seats times the small likelihood of someone making this mistake and you are going to get a finite number of deaths a year .
Most of the time the parents are n't being neglectful , they 're just being human.To some extent one could say the same about this case involving the gun .
However , I do n't think anything involving a gun ( especially in a house with kids around ) should ever be as routine as driving a kid around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those cases are always heartbreaking.
It's a mistake anyone of us could make.
You multiply the large number of kids in child seats times the small likelihood of someone making this mistake and you are going to get a finite number of deaths a year.
Most of the time the parents aren't being neglectful, they're just being human.To some extent one could say the same about this case involving the gun.
However, I don't think anything involving a gun (especially in a house with kids around) should ever be as routine as driving a kid around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443314</id>
	<title>Guns don't kill people...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268299200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just rememeber, guns don't kill people, people kill people.</p><p>Oh wait... Somehow a gun was involved. Good thing there are laws which allow for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just rememeber , guns do n't kill people , people kill people.Oh wait... Somehow a gun was involved .
Good thing there are laws which allow for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just rememeber, guns don't kill people, people kill people.Oh wait... Somehow a gun was involved.
Good thing there are laws which allow for this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437524</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>DIplomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1268323620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?  The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun</p></div><p>Agreed. 3 years ago the story would have been "Child shoots self with gun because his culture is obsessed with firearms. Initial testing shows that the boy was trying to "be cool" and "kill some bad guys." "</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin ' story ?
The kid shot themselves with a loaded gunAgreed .
3 years ago the story would have been " Child shoots self with gun because his culture is obsessed with firearms .
Initial testing shows that the boy was trying to " be cool " and " kill some bad guys .
" "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?
The kid shot themselves with a loaded gunAgreed.
3 years ago the story would have been "Child shoots self with gun because his culture is obsessed with firearms.
Initial testing shows that the boy was trying to "be cool" and "kill some bad guys.
" "
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443726</id>
	<title>Re:Suspicious story</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1268300340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't own a gun.  If you don't count BB guns, I've never even shot one. On the other hand I don't have a philosophical opposition to reasonable regulation of gun use, although my standards for "reasonable" are pretty high.</p><p>So I don't have a dog in this fight.</p><p>I don't see the sense in lumping everyone who enjoys shooting sports in with these people.  I see a great deal of sense in *not* doing so.</p><p>That kind of reasoning is contagious.  If you are going to lump all the people who use or enjoy some thing in with the stupid, irresponsible and criminal users of that thing, you've got to be willing to have that same logic applied to the things you use and enjoy.  If the use of a thing is significant problem for society, then society should take the narrowest possible action to address that problem that could reasonably be expected to be effective.  The law should not be viewed as a forum for expressing our contempt for other people and their pastimes.</p><p>That's why while I don't enjoy guns myself, and am concerned about some of the problems of gun violence, I'd never support a gun ban, nor any measure that harasses people for enjoying them in a responsible way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't own a gun .
If you do n't count BB guns , I 've never even shot one .
On the other hand I do n't have a philosophical opposition to reasonable regulation of gun use , although my standards for " reasonable " are pretty high.So I do n't have a dog in this fight.I do n't see the sense in lumping everyone who enjoys shooting sports in with these people .
I see a great deal of sense in * not * doing so.That kind of reasoning is contagious .
If you are going to lump all the people who use or enjoy some thing in with the stupid , irresponsible and criminal users of that thing , you 've got to be willing to have that same logic applied to the things you use and enjoy .
If the use of a thing is significant problem for society , then society should take the narrowest possible action to address that problem that could reasonably be expected to be effective .
The law should not be viewed as a forum for expressing our contempt for other people and their pastimes.That 's why while I do n't enjoy guns myself , and am concerned about some of the problems of gun violence , I 'd never support a gun ban , nor any measure that harasses people for enjoying them in a responsible way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't own a gun.
If you don't count BB guns, I've never even shot one.
On the other hand I don't have a philosophical opposition to reasonable regulation of gun use, although my standards for "reasonable" are pretty high.So I don't have a dog in this fight.I don't see the sense in lumping everyone who enjoys shooting sports in with these people.
I see a great deal of sense in *not* doing so.That kind of reasoning is contagious.
If you are going to lump all the people who use or enjoy some thing in with the stupid, irresponsible and criminal users of that thing, you've got to be willing to have that same logic applied to the things you use and enjoy.
If the use of a thing is significant problem for society, then society should take the narrowest possible action to address that problem that could reasonably be expected to be effective.
The law should not be viewed as a forum for expressing our contempt for other people and their pastimes.That's why while I don't enjoy guns myself, and am concerned about some of the problems of gun violence, I'd never support a gun ban, nor any measure that harasses people for enjoying them in a responsible way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440292</id>
	<title>Arguing for NO Punishment?</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1268332020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the posters arguing for no punishment of the parents have the same argument: No punishment is worse that that of losing a child.</p><p>

And I agree because I would feel that way and obviously those making the argument would have the same feelings.
</p><p>
But that doesn't mean that all parents have those feelings. Some parents torture, mutilate and kill their children. I couldn't imaging doing that to a child; neither could you. </p><p>

But yet some parents do horrible things to children. The "punishment enough" argument is fallacious. This should not be about punishment, and using "punishment enough" to ignore the problem is as bad as the original act itself.</p><p>

Clearly in all cases of this kind, the parent has failed and society has an interest in some appropriate intervention to correct the parent and protect other children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the posters arguing for no punishment of the parents have the same argument : No punishment is worse that that of losing a child .
And I agree because I would feel that way and obviously those making the argument would have the same feelings .
But that does n't mean that all parents have those feelings .
Some parents torture , mutilate and kill their children .
I could n't imaging doing that to a child ; neither could you .
But yet some parents do horrible things to children .
The " punishment enough " argument is fallacious .
This should not be about punishment , and using " punishment enough " to ignore the problem is as bad as the original act itself .
Clearly in all cases of this kind , the parent has failed and society has an interest in some appropriate intervention to correct the parent and protect other children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the posters arguing for no punishment of the parents have the same argument: No punishment is worse that that of losing a child.
And I agree because I would feel that way and obviously those making the argument would have the same feelings.
But that doesn't mean that all parents have those feelings.
Some parents torture, mutilate and kill their children.
I couldn't imaging doing that to a child; neither could you.
But yet some parents do horrible things to children.
The "punishment enough" argument is fallacious.
This should not be about punishment, and using "punishment enough" to ignore the problem is as bad as the original act itself.
Clearly in all cases of this kind, the parent has failed and society has an interest in some appropriate intervention to correct the parent and protect other children.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438282</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if he meant to put that child in harm's way?  What if deep down, he didn't want to have a daughter?<br>There are some sick people in the world.  Not punishing him is basically stating that it's OK for parents to "accidentally" knock off their kids and that the "loss" is punishment enough...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if he meant to put that child in harm 's way ?
What if deep down , he did n't want to have a daughter ? There are some sick people in the world .
Not punishing him is basically stating that it 's OK for parents to " accidentally " knock off their kids and that the " loss " is punishment enough.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if he meant to put that child in harm's way?
What if deep down, he didn't want to have a daughter?There are some sick people in the world.
Not punishing him is basically stating that it's OK for parents to "accidentally" knock off their kids and that the "loss" is punishment enough...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438122</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1268325300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They could take away his guns.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They could take away his guns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could take away his guns.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31496590</id>
	<title>:( not funny</title>
	<author>arcade video gamer</author>
	<datestamp>1268757960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sad, guns should be locked up to prevent these kind of accidents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sad , guns should be locked up to prevent these kind of accidents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sad, guns should be locked up to prevent these kind of accidents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439478</id>
	<title>Re:Poor choice of everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.</p></div><p>Slashdot is not even in the poll...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.Slashdot is not even in the poll.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.Slashdot is not even in the poll...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439080</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>DeadCatX2</author>
	<datestamp>1268327880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions.</p></div></blockquote><p>That is not for you to decide.  That's for a judge to decide, and maybe a jury if it went to trial.  If sentenced, I'm sure the judge would take the mitigating circumstances into account.  That's why we have due process.</p><p>To short circuit court procedures because you feel bad for them and they've "been punished enough" is to be no better than the conservative chicken-hawks who short circuit due process for suspected terrorists.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions.That is not for you to decide .
That 's for a judge to decide , and maybe a jury if it went to trial .
If sentenced , I 'm sure the judge would take the mitigating circumstances into account .
That 's why we have due process.To short circuit court procedures because you feel bad for them and they 've " been punished enough " is to be no better than the conservative chicken-hawks who short circuit due process for suspected terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions.That is not for you to decide.
That's for a judge to decide, and maybe a jury if it went to trial.
If sentenced, I'm sure the judge would take the mitigating circumstances into account.
That's why we have due process.To short circuit court procedures because you feel bad for them and they've "been punished enough" is to be no better than the conservative chicken-hawks who short circuit due process for suspected terrorists.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439694</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Limburgher</author>
	<datestamp>1268329800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a parent as well.  And I agree with both of your sentences.  And I still think the book needs to be thrown at him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a parent as well .
And I agree with both of your sentences .
And I still think the book needs to be thrown at him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a parent as well.
And I agree with both of your sentences.
And I still think the book needs to be thrown at him.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439270</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Labcoat Samurai</author>
	<datestamp>1268328420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I still don't buy it.  They wouldn't look that similar, and the weight would be way off.  The idea that the 3-year-old mistook it for the Wii controller seems absurd, and it is, at best, idle speculation, since we can't exactly ask her now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still do n't buy it .
They would n't look that similar , and the weight would be way off .
The idea that the 3-year-old mistook it for the Wii controller seems absurd , and it is , at best , idle speculation , since we ca n't exactly ask her now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still don't buy it.
They wouldn't look that similar, and the weight would be way off.
The idea that the 3-year-old mistook it for the Wii controller seems absurd, and it is, at best, idle speculation, since we can't exactly ask her now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438076</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Grimbleton</author>
	<datestamp>1268325180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking of guns that look like Nintendo accessories... The Beretta Neos <a href="http://www.songofthewinds.com/pictures/Nintendeos.jpg" title="songofthewinds.com">http://www.songofthewinds.com/pictures/Nintendeos.jpg</a> [songofthewinds.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of guns that look like Nintendo accessories... The Beretta Neos http : //www.songofthewinds.com/pictures/Nintendeos.jpg [ songofthewinds.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of guns that look like Nintendo accessories... The Beretta Neos http://www.songofthewinds.com/pictures/Nintendeos.jpg [songofthewinds.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437788</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1268324400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's more a coincidence that they happened to have a Wii control - kids that age will pick up and investigate just about anything that's left within reach, it's how they learn about the world around them. It's mere conjecture to suggest that she picked it up specifically because she mistook it for a Wiimote, and as the GP suggests, it detracts from the real story which is don't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns (unless you're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's more a coincidence that they happened to have a Wii control - kids that age will pick up and investigate just about anything that 's left within reach , it 's how they learn about the world around them .
It 's mere conjecture to suggest that she picked it up specifically because she mistook it for a Wiimote , and as the GP suggests , it detracts from the real story which is do n't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns ( unless you 're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's more a coincidence that they happened to have a Wii control - kids that age will pick up and investigate just about anything that's left within reach, it's how they learn about the world around them.
It's mere conjecture to suggest that she picked it up specifically because she mistook it for a Wiimote, and as the GP suggests, it detracts from the real story which is don't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns (unless you're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437602</id>
	<title>Guns don't kill people</title>
	<author>Rhaban</author>
	<datestamp>1268323800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Video games kill people!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Video games kill people !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video games kill people!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31445252</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1268305620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun. I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.</p></div></blockquote><p>Are you the girl who is dead because of his and the mothers actions/inactions?  I care more about her loss than his suffering.</p><p>And bullshit on 'self punishment'.  It doesn't work that way, regardless of what utopian fantasy you live in.  Living with the consequences of ones actions alone is generally not a deterrent in and of itself.</p><p>You feel sorry for them, I will to.  I can't imagine what I'd feel like in that situation.</p><p>On that same note, lock'em both up, throw away the key, they are too irresponsible to function in the same world as me.  I could give a flying fuck how bad they feel at this point, I'm more concerned with them doing it again.  No, not shooting their other kid, but doing something equally as stupid like living the 1 year old next to a swimming pool alone all day.</p><p>Much like finding your daughter attached to a stipper pole at the stip club, these events are a clear indication that the parents failed.  Parenting license is revoked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child .
I would n't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally , with the same gun .
I ca n't imagine how much this guy 's hurting right now.Are you the girl who is dead because of his and the mothers actions/inactions ?
I care more about her loss than his suffering.And bullshit on 'self punishment' .
It does n't work that way , regardless of what utopian fantasy you live in .
Living with the consequences of ones actions alone is generally not a deterrent in and of itself.You feel sorry for them , I will to .
I ca n't imagine what I 'd feel like in that situation.On that same note , lock'em both up , throw away the key , they are too irresponsible to function in the same world as me .
I could give a flying fuck how bad they feel at this point , I 'm more concerned with them doing it again .
No , not shooting their other kid , but doing something equally as stupid like living the 1 year old next to a swimming pool alone all day.Much like finding your daughter attached to a stipper pole at the stip club , these events are a clear indication that the parents failed .
Parenting license is revoked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.
I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun.
I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.Are you the girl who is dead because of his and the mothers actions/inactions?
I care more about her loss than his suffering.And bullshit on 'self punishment'.
It doesn't work that way, regardless of what utopian fantasy you live in.
Living with the consequences of ones actions alone is generally not a deterrent in and of itself.You feel sorry for them, I will to.
I can't imagine what I'd feel like in that situation.On that same note, lock'em both up, throw away the key, they are too irresponsible to function in the same world as me.
I could give a flying fuck how bad they feel at this point, I'm more concerned with them doing it again.
No, not shooting their other kid, but doing something equally as stupid like living the 1 year old next to a swimming pool alone all day.Much like finding your daughter attached to a stipper pole at the stip club, these events are a clear indication that the parents failed.
Parenting license is revoked.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439614</id>
	<title>Re:Suicide, my ass!</title>
	<author>Schnapple</author>
	<datestamp>1268329500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>By throwing around the S-word you're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to: the parents.</p></div></blockquote><p>

In many places in the USA, insofar as legal definitions are concerned any taking of one's own life, intentional or no, accidental or no, is listed as "suicide". <br>
<br>
Same way the generally accepted definition of sodomy is anal sex but in many places the definition includes any "unnatural" sex act such as oral sex ("unnatural" in this context meaning anything not related to reproduction). And yes it is illegal in some places but rarely if ever enforced.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>By throwing around the S-word you 're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to : the parents .
In many places in the USA , insofar as legal definitions are concerned any taking of one 's own life , intentional or no , accidental or no , is listed as " suicide " .
Same way the generally accepted definition of sodomy is anal sex but in many places the definition includes any " unnatural " sex act such as oral sex ( " unnatural " in this context meaning anything not related to reproduction ) .
And yes it is illegal in some places but rarely if ever enforced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By throwing around the S-word you're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to: the parents.
In many places in the USA, insofar as legal definitions are concerned any taking of one's own life, intentional or no, accidental or no, is listed as "suicide".
Same way the generally accepted definition of sodomy is anal sex but in many places the definition includes any "unnatural" sex act such as oral sex ("unnatural" in this context meaning anything not related to reproduction).
And yes it is illegal in some places but rarely if ever enforced.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441022</id>
	<title>Seriously, what sick fuck added a "darwin" tag?</title>
	<author>flydpnkrtn</author>
	<datestamp>1268334900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was a CHILD, who didn't know any better. If the kid had accidentally shot his parents and they died for being stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon near their 3 year old, <i>that</i> would be Darwin award worthy....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was a CHILD , who did n't know any better .
If the kid had accidentally shot his parents and they died for being stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon near their 3 year old , that would be Darwin award worthy... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was a CHILD, who didn't know any better.
If the kid had accidentally shot his parents and they died for being stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon near their 3 year old, that would be Darwin award worthy....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439774</id>
	<title>Smells like a lawsuit in the making...</title>
	<author>Godskitchen</author>
	<datestamp>1268330040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting how they seem to be emphasizing that the toy was too realistic looking instead of the fact that a loaded gun was left within reach of a THREE YEAR OLD. It doesn't matter whether the child would or would not have been able to tell the difference between a toy and a real gun. At that age, do you really think that knowledge would have stopped her from picking it up and playing with it? From the three year olds I have observed, I would say No. This will be ridiculous if the parents try to turn this into a lawsuit against Nintendo or the manufacturer of the controller.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting how they seem to be emphasizing that the toy was too realistic looking instead of the fact that a loaded gun was left within reach of a THREE YEAR OLD .
It does n't matter whether the child would or would not have been able to tell the difference between a toy and a real gun .
At that age , do you really think that knowledge would have stopped her from picking it up and playing with it ?
From the three year olds I have observed , I would say No .
This will be ridiculous if the parents try to turn this into a lawsuit against Nintendo or the manufacturer of the controller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting how they seem to be emphasizing that the toy was too realistic looking instead of the fact that a loaded gun was left within reach of a THREE YEAR OLD.
It doesn't matter whether the child would or would not have been able to tell the difference between a toy and a real gun.
At that age, do you really think that knowledge would have stopped her from picking it up and playing with it?
From the three year olds I have observed, I would say No.
This will be ridiculous if the parents try to turn this into a lawsuit against Nintendo or the manufacturer of the controller.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438686</id>
	<title>Think before you speak</title>
	<author>groslyunderpaid</author>
	<datestamp>1268326680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not citing any legitimate law codes, but a quick search of google relates that in the state of TN there is no law against leaving a gun out and accessible to a child. So before the "why didn't they lock him up" questions fly (too late by now, I'm sure), that would be because it doesn't appear to be against the law.<br> <br> <a href="http://www.gunslot.com/articles/gun-laws-tennessee" title="gunslot.com" rel="nofollow">Search for child access prevention in the page</a> [gunslot.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not citing any legitimate law codes , but a quick search of google relates that in the state of TN there is no law against leaving a gun out and accessible to a child .
So before the " why did n't they lock him up " questions fly ( too late by now , I 'm sure ) , that would be because it does n't appear to be against the law .
Search for child access prevention in the page [ gunslot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not citing any legitimate law codes, but a quick search of google relates that in the state of TN there is no law against leaving a gun out and accessible to a child.
So before the "why didn't they lock him up" questions fly (too late by now, I'm sure), that would be because it doesn't appear to be against the law.
Search for child access prevention in the page [gunslot.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439280</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268328480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait... no. You cannot possibly claim to know what the 3 year old was thinking. The parents obviously were not anywhere near, and also cannot possibly know. This is all pure guessing, and an attempt at a powerful headline. More fear mongering against video games because that is the popular thing to do in journalism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait... no. You can not possibly claim to know what the 3 year old was thinking .
The parents obviously were not anywhere near , and also can not possibly know .
This is all pure guessing , and an attempt at a powerful headline .
More fear mongering against video games because that is the popular thing to do in journalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait... no. You cannot possibly claim to know what the 3 year old was thinking.
The parents obviously were not anywhere near, and also cannot possibly know.
This is all pure guessing, and an attempt at a powerful headline.
More fear mongering against video games because that is the popular thing to do in journalism.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31444712</id>
	<title>Yes, indeed.</title>
	<author>Estanislao Martínez</author>
	<datestamp>1268303460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "don't charge him, he's suffered enough" crowd seem to not be aware that there's a reason why we have a separate sentencing process after conviction.  We charge and convict people for crimes on purely material grounds, and then sentence on moral grounds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " do n't charge him , he 's suffered enough " crowd seem to not be aware that there 's a reason why we have a separate sentencing process after conviction .
We charge and convict people for crimes on purely material grounds , and then sentence on moral grounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "don't charge him, he's suffered enough" crowd seem to not be aware that there's a reason why we have a separate sentencing process after conviction.
We charge and convict people for crimes on purely material grounds, and then sentence on moral grounds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31449168</id>
	<title>Weight</title>
	<author>Secret Rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1268425140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aside from the obvious 'why wasn't the safety on' and 'what was a gun lying around with a 3 year old about' comments, what about the guns weight.  Sorry, but those things are heavy.  So much so, that I doubt that a kid that age could have lifted it.  What else was going on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aside from the obvious 'why was n't the safety on ' and 'what was a gun lying around with a 3 year old about ' comments , what about the guns weight .
Sorry , but those things are heavy .
So much so , that I doubt that a kid that age could have lifted it .
What else was going on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aside from the obvious 'why wasn't the safety on' and 'what was a gun lying around with a 3 year old about' comments, what about the guns weight.
Sorry, but those things are heavy.
So much so, that I doubt that a kid that age could have lifted it.
What else was going on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437702</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>hibiki\_r</author>
	<datestamp>1268324100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is mentioned because the household had one of those chinese Wii attachments that makes the Wii controller look quite a bit like a gun. Black too. It's not hard for a 3 year old to think that those two are similar looking items.</p><p>Now, would a 3 year old play with a gun laying unattended anyway? Probably. Should the kid have readily access to a loaded gun? Of course not. But people grasp at straws, looking for something to help prevent gun accidents in ways that they can actually control. We just can't stop idiots, or people horribly distracted, like those that have to deal with the stress that a 3 year old can be, from failing to use safe gun handling procedures.</p><p>Life with a toddler around the house is a lot different than without. Things that you'd never fail to do properly before suddenly become far more difficult than they used to: I've seen it happen in many occasions. The extra stress will just get to people, and make them fail to hide their gun, keep a bottle of bleach in a place a kid will get to, or not realize that their SO put the baby,sleeping, in their car, leaving him to die in a hot, unattended car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is mentioned because the household had one of those chinese Wii attachments that makes the Wii controller look quite a bit like a gun .
Black too .
It 's not hard for a 3 year old to think that those two are similar looking items.Now , would a 3 year old play with a gun laying unattended anyway ?
Probably. Should the kid have readily access to a loaded gun ?
Of course not .
But people grasp at straws , looking for something to help prevent gun accidents in ways that they can actually control .
We just ca n't stop idiots , or people horribly distracted , like those that have to deal with the stress that a 3 year old can be , from failing to use safe gun handling procedures.Life with a toddler around the house is a lot different than without .
Things that you 'd never fail to do properly before suddenly become far more difficult than they used to : I 've seen it happen in many occasions .
The extra stress will just get to people , and make them fail to hide their gun , keep a bottle of bleach in a place a kid will get to , or not realize that their SO put the baby,sleeping , in their car , leaving him to die in a hot , unattended car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is mentioned because the household had one of those chinese Wii attachments that makes the Wii controller look quite a bit like a gun.
Black too.
It's not hard for a 3 year old to think that those two are similar looking items.Now, would a 3 year old play with a gun laying unattended anyway?
Probably. Should the kid have readily access to a loaded gun?
Of course not.
But people grasp at straws, looking for something to help prevent gun accidents in ways that they can actually control.
We just can't stop idiots, or people horribly distracted, like those that have to deal with the stress that a 3 year old can be, from failing to use safe gun handling procedures.Life with a toddler around the house is a lot different than without.
Things that you'd never fail to do properly before suddenly become far more difficult than they used to: I've seen it happen in many occasions.
The extra stress will just get to people, and make them fail to hide their gun, keep a bottle of bleach in a place a kid will get to, or not realize that their SO put the baby,sleeping, in their car, leaving him to die in a hot, unattended car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31452498</id>
	<title>Re:Suspicious story</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1268413500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although the article says she was playing with a black gun-controller, I suspect this was just the creative imagination of two very guilty parents. They probably just had a standard black Wii-remote (they only used to sell them in white). In any case it doesn't really resemble a gun, and even if it did I don't think it makes a difference. I played with realistic guns as a three-year old, granted I do live in a country with strict firearms regulations.<br>The parentents were just looking for an explanation to sooth their guilty consience. It's a normal psychological reaction. But I definitely think the press has been too accomodating to their side of the story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although the article says she was playing with a black gun-controller , I suspect this was just the creative imagination of two very guilty parents .
They probably just had a standard black Wii-remote ( they only used to sell them in white ) .
In any case it does n't really resemble a gun , and even if it did I do n't think it makes a difference .
I played with realistic guns as a three-year old , granted I do live in a country with strict firearms regulations.The parentents were just looking for an explanation to sooth their guilty consience .
It 's a normal psychological reaction .
But I definitely think the press has been too accomodating to their side of the story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although the article says she was playing with a black gun-controller, I suspect this was just the creative imagination of two very guilty parents.
They probably just had a standard black Wii-remote (they only used to sell them in white).
In any case it doesn't really resemble a gun, and even if it did I don't think it makes a difference.
I played with realistic guns as a three-year old, granted I do live in a country with strict firearms regulations.The parentents were just looking for an explanation to sooth their guilty consience.
It's a normal psychological reaction.
But I definitely think the press has been too accomodating to their side of the story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439248</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1268328360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story? The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun left laying around by the parent. </i></p><p>Because a kid getting shot by a loaded gun left lying around isn't really news.  However, a kid getting shot by a loaded gun they thought was a Wii controller?  Well that puts a whole new spin on an otherwise fairly mundane story that's been played out time and time again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin ' story ?
The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun left laying around by the parent .
Because a kid getting shot by a loaded gun left lying around is n't really news .
However , a kid getting shot by a loaded gun they thought was a Wii controller ?
Well that puts a whole new spin on an otherwise fairly mundane story that 's been played out time and time again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?
The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun left laying around by the parent.
Because a kid getting shot by a loaded gun left lying around isn't really news.
However, a kid getting shot by a loaded gun they thought was a Wii controller?
Well that puts a whole new spin on an otherwise fairly mundane story that's been played out time and time again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438854</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268327100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He is stepfather, and as such, not prone to be exactly unhappy from it. He can easily see this as win-situation for him as he got rid of having to raise someone elses child (his genes and his blood prevail, his vallet stays full, we could even stretch it as a f-u to real dad with whom he can have issues). People are sick and complicated.</p><p>You do not know complete circumstances and neither do i, but i is fairly safe to assume that loaded, chamber-ready gun put next to toy gun is not exactly likely to happen even by accident.</p><p>Who knows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... dun, dun dun,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... who actually pulled trigger?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He is stepfather , and as such , not prone to be exactly unhappy from it .
He can easily see this as win-situation for him as he got rid of having to raise someone elses child ( his genes and his blood prevail , his vallet stays full , we could even stretch it as a f-u to real dad with whom he can have issues ) .
People are sick and complicated.You do not know complete circumstances and neither do i , but i is fairly safe to assume that loaded , chamber-ready gun put next to toy gun is not exactly likely to happen even by accident.Who knows ... dun , dun dun , ... who actually pulled trigger ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He is stepfather, and as such, not prone to be exactly unhappy from it.
He can easily see this as win-situation for him as he got rid of having to raise someone elses child (his genes and his blood prevail, his vallet stays full, we could even stretch it as a f-u to real dad with whom he can have issues).
People are sick and complicated.You do not know complete circumstances and neither do i, but i is fairly safe to assume that loaded, chamber-ready gun put next to toy gun is not exactly likely to happen even by accident.Who knows ... dun, dun dun, ... who actually pulled trigger?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439546</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;</p><p>Which is pretty much the same thing, isn't it ? How do you prevents idiots (or people with a criminal / psychotic background) from owning guns without controlling gun sales ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Which is pretty much the same thing , is n't it ?
How do you prevents idiots ( or people with a criminal / psychotic background ) from owning guns without controlling gun sales ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Which is pretty much the same thing, isn't it ?
How do you prevents idiots (or people with a criminal / psychotic background) from owning guns without controlling gun sales ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31448616</id>
	<title>Re:Just read the story</title>
	<author>mdielmann</author>
	<datestamp>1268328600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The dad was an idiot, though. I don't see him recovering.</p></div><p>Yes, sadly idiocy is quite difficult to recover from.  More so that idiocy can be fatal to those who don't suffer from it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The dad was an idiot , though .
I do n't see him recovering.Yes , sadly idiocy is quite difficult to recover from .
More so that idiocy can be fatal to those who do n't suffer from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dad was an idiot, though.
I don't see him recovering.Yes, sadly idiocy is quite difficult to recover from.
More so that idiocy can be fatal to those who don't suffer from it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441090</id>
	<title>Slashdot criteria just blown wide open</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268335200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice one</p><p>I'm going to start embedding the word "wii" here and there in my articles on rural sanitation over the next month and see what turns up here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice oneI 'm going to start embedding the word " wii " here and there in my articles on rural sanitation over the next month and see what turns up here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice oneI'm going to start embedding the word "wii" here and there in my articles on rural sanitation over the next month and see what turns up here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438380</id>
	<title>Ok I am an ass I admit it</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1268325900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how can you confuse a metallic looking hand gun for a Wii remote?</p><p>The parents apparently aren't too bright to leave a loaded gun around.</p><p>The kid appears to have not been to bright to confuse Shiney Metal Thing for a Wii remote.</p><p>Mean as it is, isn't this natural selection at work?</p><p>My sympathy I assure you, but something has to filter the Idiocracy out.</p><p>"The kid didn't know any better" isn't an excuse.</p><p>The kids should have known better and that is the parent's fault. Stupid breeds stupid. Fact proven once again in a sorrowful incident.</p><p>Parent's at fault, punishment: sterilization seems appropriate and living the rest of their existence knowing they got their own child killed; and society has deemed them to stupid to have another child. It's a win-win for the rest of humanity.</p><p>I am an ass I guess, but having kids is a privledge, not a right and allowing stupid people to breed isn't doing anyone any good, expecially the kids that suffer their negligence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how can you confuse a metallic looking hand gun for a Wii remote ? The parents apparently are n't too bright to leave a loaded gun around.The kid appears to have not been to bright to confuse Shiney Metal Thing for a Wii remote.Mean as it is , is n't this natural selection at work ? My sympathy I assure you , but something has to filter the Idiocracy out .
" The kid did n't know any better " is n't an excuse.The kids should have known better and that is the parent 's fault .
Stupid breeds stupid .
Fact proven once again in a sorrowful incident.Parent 's at fault , punishment : sterilization seems appropriate and living the rest of their existence knowing they got their own child killed ; and society has deemed them to stupid to have another child .
It 's a win-win for the rest of humanity.I am an ass I guess , but having kids is a privledge , not a right and allowing stupid people to breed is n't doing anyone any good , expecially the kids that suffer their negligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how can you confuse a metallic looking hand gun for a Wii remote?The parents apparently aren't too bright to leave a loaded gun around.The kid appears to have not been to bright to confuse Shiney Metal Thing for a Wii remote.Mean as it is, isn't this natural selection at work?My sympathy I assure you, but something has to filter the Idiocracy out.
"The kid didn't know any better" isn't an excuse.The kids should have known better and that is the parent's fault.
Stupid breeds stupid.
Fact proven once again in a sorrowful incident.Parent's at fault, punishment: sterilization seems appropriate and living the rest of their existence knowing they got their own child killed; and society has deemed them to stupid to have another child.
It's a win-win for the rest of humanity.I am an ass I guess, but having kids is a privledge, not a right and allowing stupid people to breed isn't doing anyone any good, expecially the kids that suffer their negligence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440788</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268333940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.</p></div><p>Punishment is supposed to be a deterrent for other people.  This guy killed his stepdaughter, and he may never get over it.  One hopes he's gotten rid of his guns or at least gotten trigger locks.</p><p>Everyone else sees that no legal action results from negligent gun ownership and figures, as long as my kids don't shoot theirself, it's all good.  This guy and his wife not to go to jail puts reckless handling of a firearm in the same class of crime as doing 40 mph in a 35 mph zone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a parent ?
There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.Punishment is supposed to be a deterrent for other people .
This guy killed his stepdaughter , and he may never get over it .
One hopes he 's gotten rid of his guns or at least gotten trigger locks.Everyone else sees that no legal action results from negligent gun ownership and figures , as long as my kids do n't shoot theirself , it 's all good .
This guy and his wife not to go to jail puts reckless handling of a firearm in the same class of crime as doing 40 mph in a 35 mph zone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a parent?
There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.Punishment is supposed to be a deterrent for other people.
This guy killed his stepdaughter, and he may never get over it.
One hopes he's gotten rid of his guns or at least gotten trigger locks.Everyone else sees that no legal action results from negligent gun ownership and figures, as long as my kids don't shoot theirself, it's all good.
This guy and his wife not to go to jail puts reckless handling of a firearm in the same class of crime as doing 40 mph in a 35 mph zone.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440774</id>
	<title>Re:Poor choice of everything.</title>
	<author>greg1104</author>
	<datestamp>1268333880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think your respect for Slashdot is low now, wait until a bad dupe of this story is posted in a few days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think your respect for Slashdot is low now , wait until a bad dupe of this story is posted in a few days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think your respect for Slashdot is low now, wait until a bad dupe of this story is posted in a few days.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437636</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>sinrakin</author>
	<datestamp>1268323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw a headline yesterday that said "Do WII Controllers Look Too Much Like Guns?".

Yes, that must be the problem. It's Nintendo's fault, not the people who left the loaded gun on the table near a three year old. They'll probably be sued.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw a headline yesterday that said " Do WII Controllers Look Too Much Like Guns ? " .
Yes , that must be the problem .
It 's Nintendo 's fault , not the people who left the loaded gun on the table near a three year old .
They 'll probably be sued .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw a headline yesterday that said "Do WII Controllers Look Too Much Like Guns?".
Yes, that must be the problem.
It's Nintendo's fault, not the people who left the loaded gun on the table near a three year old.
They'll probably be sued.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440624</id>
	<title>Kids often don't differentiate from toys</title>
	<author>Lakitu</author>
	<datestamp>1268333280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My grandfather spent part of his 20s traveling around Europe killing fascists with a belt-fed machine gun.  When I was little, less than 10 years old, I pointed some toy gun at him, a pop-gun or something -- you know, one of those toy guns with a cork in the barrel attached to a string or whatever.</p><p>He took me aside and calmly told me "don't ever point a gun at someone unless you plan to shoot them."</p><p>Some lessons you learn and never forget, and I'm glad I learned that particular lesson in that particular way.  Some things just aren't worth messing around with, no matter how small a chance it is to go wrong.</p><p>This story is simply awful, and it has nothing to do with how realistic the Wii gun looks.  Guns are fascinating to people of all ages, even three year olds, even with objects that may only vaguely or symbolically resemble guns.  I wish there were more emphasis among gun owners in America on the "well-regulated" part of the second amendment, and not in a banning-every-gun kind of way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My grandfather spent part of his 20s traveling around Europe killing fascists with a belt-fed machine gun .
When I was little , less than 10 years old , I pointed some toy gun at him , a pop-gun or something -- you know , one of those toy guns with a cork in the barrel attached to a string or whatever.He took me aside and calmly told me " do n't ever point a gun at someone unless you plan to shoot them .
" Some lessons you learn and never forget , and I 'm glad I learned that particular lesson in that particular way .
Some things just are n't worth messing around with , no matter how small a chance it is to go wrong.This story is simply awful , and it has nothing to do with how realistic the Wii gun looks .
Guns are fascinating to people of all ages , even three year olds , even with objects that may only vaguely or symbolically resemble guns .
I wish there were more emphasis among gun owners in America on the " well-regulated " part of the second amendment , and not in a banning-every-gun kind of way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My grandfather spent part of his 20s traveling around Europe killing fascists with a belt-fed machine gun.
When I was little, less than 10 years old, I pointed some toy gun at him, a pop-gun or something -- you know, one of those toy guns with a cork in the barrel attached to a string or whatever.He took me aside and calmly told me "don't ever point a gun at someone unless you plan to shoot them.
"Some lessons you learn and never forget, and I'm glad I learned that particular lesson in that particular way.
Some things just aren't worth messing around with, no matter how small a chance it is to go wrong.This story is simply awful, and it has nothing to do with how realistic the Wii gun looks.
Guns are fascinating to people of all ages, even three year olds, even with objects that may only vaguely or symbolically resemble guns.
I wish there were more emphasis among gun owners in America on the "well-regulated" part of the second amendment, and not in a banning-every-gun kind of way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31447944</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>cbreak</author>
	<datestamp>1268320800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it could be a setup.</p><p>Train the child that the gun-shaped controller is a toy and "accidentally" leave a real gun that happens to look similar loaded and ready to fire near the spot where the toy usually resides.</p><p>Or it could be a careless accident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it could be a setup.Train the child that the gun-shaped controller is a toy and " accidentally " leave a real gun that happens to look similar loaded and ready to fire near the spot where the toy usually resides.Or it could be a careless accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it could be a setup.Train the child that the gun-shaped controller is a toy and "accidentally" leave a real gun that happens to look similar loaded and ready to fire near the spot where the toy usually resides.Or it could be a careless accident.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439552</id>
	<title>It's the system what's to blame!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA "The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,"</p><p>I like to leave prescription drugs in a big bowl with "candy" written on the side. If any kids die of an overdose I'll blame the pharmaceutical companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA " The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black , basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game , " I like to leave prescription drugs in a big bowl with " candy " written on the side .
If any kids die of an overdose I 'll blame the pharmaceutical companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA "The unfortunate thing is that this Nintendo game called Wii had what looks like a solid black, basically automatic-looking type mechanism that operates the game,"I like to leave prescription drugs in a big bowl with "candy" written on the side.
If any kids die of an overdose I'll blame the pharmaceutical companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438964</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>DeadCatX2</author>
	<datestamp>1268327460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be <b>worse</b> than losing a child.</p></div></blockquote><p>Emphasis mine.</p><p>It doesn't matter if it's "worse" than losing a child.  It's called the Law.  There's a reason judges are allowed leniency in sentencing - mitigating circumstances - so the accidental nature of this death will be accounted for, but to <b>avoid the whole court process entirely</b> is to make a mockery of our system of justice.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There 's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.Emphasis mine.It does n't matter if it 's " worse " than losing a child .
It 's called the Law .
There 's a reason judges are allowed leniency in sentencing - mitigating circumstances - so the accidental nature of this death will be accounted for , but to avoid the whole court process entirely is to make a mockery of our system of justice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child.Emphasis mine.It doesn't matter if it's "worse" than losing a child.
It's called the Law.
There's a reason judges are allowed leniency in sentencing - mitigating circumstances - so the accidental nature of this death will be accounted for, but to avoid the whole court process entirely is to make a mockery of our system of justice.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439656</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?</p></div><p>Because someone was KILLED and there was a VIDEO GAME somewhere within a ten-mile radius of the crime, obviously.  Don't you know?</p><p>*stares back at Pojut with bugged-out eyes and a slight twitch, obviously expecting some sort of realization and understanding which just as obviously is never coming*</p><p>VIDEO GAME!  And SOMEONE DIED!!!  Don't you see?</p><p>*same basic reaction as before, twitching giving way to increasing anxiety and panic*</p><p>The VIDEO GAME KILLED SOMEONE!  That's all the evidence we need!  Video games kill people!  Isn't it obvious?  Isn't it obvious?  Isn't it?  Look!  Look!  Look!  Look!</p><p>*continues staring at Pojut, entirely honestly expecting complete realization based on this "evidence", and, not finding any, starts falling apart*</p><p>THEY'RE MURDER SIMULATORS!  All of them!  Don't you understand anything?  Or are you one of THEM?  You're one of those evil video gamers, aren't you?  I knew it!  You're going to HELL because you PLAY VIDEO MURDER GAME SIMULATORS!  I don't need to listen to your evil arguments!  You'll cloud my mind with your LIES!  AAAAAAAHHHHHH!</p><p>*runs away, screaming to everyone about how Pojut is obviously a murdering video gamer, before someone from the institute comes with a sedative*</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin ' story ? Because someone was KILLED and there was a VIDEO GAME somewhere within a ten-mile radius of the crime , obviously .
Do n't you know ?
* stares back at Pojut with bugged-out eyes and a slight twitch , obviously expecting some sort of realization and understanding which just as obviously is never coming * VIDEO GAME !
And SOMEONE DIED ! ! !
Do n't you see ?
* same basic reaction as before , twitching giving way to increasing anxiety and panic * The VIDEO GAME KILLED SOMEONE !
That 's all the evidence we need !
Video games kill people !
Is n't it obvious ?
Is n't it obvious ?
Is n't it ?
Look ! Look !
Look ! Look !
* continues staring at Pojut , entirely honestly expecting complete realization based on this " evidence " , and , not finding any , starts falling apart * THEY 'RE MURDER SIMULATORS !
All of them !
Do n't you understand anything ?
Or are you one of THEM ?
You 're one of those evil video gamers , are n't you ?
I knew it !
You 're going to HELL because you PLAY VIDEO MURDER GAME SIMULATORS !
I do n't need to listen to your evil arguments !
You 'll cloud my mind with your LIES !
AAAAAAAHHHHHH ! * runs away , screaming to everyone about how Pojut is obviously a murdering video gamer , before someone from the institute comes with a sedative *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story?Because someone was KILLED and there was a VIDEO GAME somewhere within a ten-mile radius of the crime, obviously.
Don't you know?
*stares back at Pojut with bugged-out eyes and a slight twitch, obviously expecting some sort of realization and understanding which just as obviously is never coming*VIDEO GAME!
And SOMEONE DIED!!!
Don't you see?
*same basic reaction as before, twitching giving way to increasing anxiety and panic*The VIDEO GAME KILLED SOMEONE!
That's all the evidence we need!
Video games kill people!
Isn't it obvious?
Isn't it obvious?
Isn't it?
Look!  Look!
Look!  Look!
*continues staring at Pojut, entirely honestly expecting complete realization based on this "evidence", and, not finding any, starts falling apart*THEY'RE MURDER SIMULATORS!
All of them!
Don't you understand anything?
Or are you one of THEM?
You're one of those evil video gamers, aren't you?
I knew it!
You're going to HELL because you PLAY VIDEO MURDER GAME SIMULATORS!
I don't need to listen to your evil arguments!
You'll cloud my mind with your LIES!
AAAAAAAHHHHHH!*runs away, screaming to everyone about how Pojut is obviously a murdering video gamer, before someone from the institute comes with a sedative*
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437882</id>
	<title>So wait...</title>
	<author>ilsaloving</author>
	<datestamp>1268324640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something doesn't make sense.</p><p>Firstly, they have a Wii controller that looks like a very realistic imitation of a real gun.</p><p>Secondly, this is a controller that you have to actively make an effort to go out, find, and buy, because you would never find it through regular channels.</p><p>Thirdly, the father is claming that he had no idea that they owned such a controller, or even any knowledge of what games the child is playing.  What the hell kind of game does a 3 year old play that requires a realistic gun controller?  Grand Theft Stroller?</p><p>Either the parents are grossly incompetent and stupid, or they're incompetent and stupid AND they're trying to mollify their guilty conscience by putting some of the blame on a video game accessory that they should never have owned to begin with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something does n't make sense.Firstly , they have a Wii controller that looks like a very realistic imitation of a real gun.Secondly , this is a controller that you have to actively make an effort to go out , find , and buy , because you would never find it through regular channels.Thirdly , the father is claming that he had no idea that they owned such a controller , or even any knowledge of what games the child is playing .
What the hell kind of game does a 3 year old play that requires a realistic gun controller ?
Grand Theft Stroller ? Either the parents are grossly incompetent and stupid , or they 're incompetent and stupid AND they 're trying to mollify their guilty conscience by putting some of the blame on a video game accessory that they should never have owned to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something doesn't make sense.Firstly, they have a Wii controller that looks like a very realistic imitation of a real gun.Secondly, this is a controller that you have to actively make an effort to go out, find, and buy, because you would never find it through regular channels.Thirdly, the father is claming that he had no idea that they owned such a controller, or even any knowledge of what games the child is playing.
What the hell kind of game does a 3 year old play that requires a realistic gun controller?
Grand Theft Stroller?Either the parents are grossly incompetent and stupid, or they're incompetent and stupid AND they're trying to mollify their guilty conscience by putting some of the blame on a video game accessory that they should never have owned to begin with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438048</id>
	<title>Suspicious Death</title>
	<author>SoTerrified</author>
	<datestamp>1268325120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with the crew that says this doesn't add up.<br>1) Stepfather goes out of his way to buy obscure Wii controller that looks like the handgun he owns<br>2) Stepfather leaves loaded gun on coffee table in the living room, presumably where the Wii controllers sit.  (Not in the bedroom, not on a shelf, etc.  Even if he's lazy, you would probably leave a loaded gun somewhere other than your living room.)<br>3) Stepfather leaves the gun on the coffee table with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked.  (This is important because a 3 year old probably wouldn't have the strength to overcome the hammer action and pull the trigger otherwise.)</p><p>Too many "coincidences" here.  That's all I'm saying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with the crew that says this does n't add up.1 ) Stepfather goes out of his way to buy obscure Wii controller that looks like the handgun he owns2 ) Stepfather leaves loaded gun on coffee table in the living room , presumably where the Wii controllers sit .
( Not in the bedroom , not on a shelf , etc .
Even if he 's lazy , you would probably leave a loaded gun somewhere other than your living room .
) 3 ) Stepfather leaves the gun on the coffee table with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked .
( This is important because a 3 year old probably would n't have the strength to overcome the hammer action and pull the trigger otherwise .
) Too many " coincidences " here .
That 's all I 'm saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with the crew that says this doesn't add up.1) Stepfather goes out of his way to buy obscure Wii controller that looks like the handgun he owns2) Stepfather leaves loaded gun on coffee table in the living room, presumably where the Wii controllers sit.
(Not in the bedroom, not on a shelf, etc.
Even if he's lazy, you would probably leave a loaded gun somewhere other than your living room.
)3) Stepfather leaves the gun on the coffee table with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked.
(This is important because a 3 year old probably wouldn't have the strength to overcome the hammer action and pull the trigger otherwise.
)Too many "coincidences" here.
That's all I'm saying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441196</id>
	<title>Inappropriate article title and tag</title>
	<author>Yaddoshi</author>
	<datestamp>1268335560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe I'm a bit sensitive with four young daughters of my own, but I rather dislike the title "Accidental Wii Suicide" for this article.  I don't suppose it could be changed to something more appropriate?  I also strongly disagree with the Darwin tag.  The subject is the death of a toddler, not the death of someone who should be removed from the gene pool.<br>
<br>
I sincerely hope I'm not alone by expecting better from Slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 'm a bit sensitive with four young daughters of my own , but I rather dislike the title " Accidental Wii Suicide " for this article .
I do n't suppose it could be changed to something more appropriate ?
I also strongly disagree with the Darwin tag .
The subject is the death of a toddler , not the death of someone who should be removed from the gene pool .
I sincerely hope I 'm not alone by expecting better from Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I'm a bit sensitive with four young daughters of my own, but I rather dislike the title "Accidental Wii Suicide" for this article.
I don't suppose it could be changed to something more appropriate?
I also strongly disagree with the Darwin tag.
The subject is the death of a toddler, not the death of someone who should be removed from the gene pool.
I sincerely hope I'm not alone by expecting better from Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437588</id>
	<title>Blame the Wii!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because we all know that is going to happen.
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Don't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the "right" to bear arms.
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Don't blame the neglect, irresponsibility and carelessness of adults in the house.
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Ignore the fact that this would only happen in America because of #1.
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Blame the Wii because we all know the toy gun accessory it comes with gave the kid the wrong impression.
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I feel sorry for the kid and the family.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we all know that is going to happen .
Do n't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the " right " to bear arms .
Do n't blame the neglect , irresponsibility and carelessness of adults in the house .
Ignore the fact that this would only happen in America because of # 1 .
Blame the Wii because we all know the toy gun accessory it comes with gave the kid the wrong impression .
I feel sorry for the kid and the family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we all know that is going to happen.
Don't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the "right" to bear arms.
Don't blame the neglect, irresponsibility and carelessness of adults in the house.
Ignore the fact that this would only happen in America because of #1.
Blame the Wii because we all know the toy gun accessory it comes with gave the kid the wrong impression.
I feel sorry for the kid and the family.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31443020</id>
	<title>Don't blame the guilty party, no...</title>
	<author>Y Ddraig Goch</author>
	<datestamp>1268298300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>She shot herself "after her stepfather left his loaded Smith &amp; Wesson handgun out on a table"!  3 year olds play with what ever they find laying around, I know I've had two of them.  If they had not had a Wii, and the circumstances were other wise the same the same tragedy would still of happened.  DON"T LEAVE LOADED GUNS WHERE CHILDREN CAN FIND THEM AND PLAY WITH THEM!</htmltext>
<tokenext>She shot herself " after her stepfather left his loaded Smith &amp; Wesson handgun out on a table " !
3 year olds play with what ever they find laying around , I know I 've had two of them .
If they had not had a Wii , and the circumstances were other wise the same the same tragedy would still of happened .
DON " T LEAVE LOADED GUNS WHERE CHILDREN CAN FIND THEM AND PLAY WITH THEM !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She shot herself "after her stepfather left his loaded Smith &amp; Wesson handgun out on a table"!
3 year olds play with what ever they find laying around, I know I've had two of them.
If they had not had a Wii, and the circumstances were other wise the same the same tragedy would still of happened.
DON"T LEAVE LOADED GUNS WHERE CHILDREN CAN FIND THEM AND PLAY WITH THEM!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437900</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>tekrat</author>
	<datestamp>1268324700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I'm wracked with guilt after robbing that bank. I shouldn't go to jail, the emotional tragedy of what I did was punishment enough. There's not a day that goes by I don't think about what I did, buying expensive dinners, driving fast cars.. Oh, the PAIN!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I 'm wracked with guilt after robbing that bank .
I should n't go to jail , the emotional tragedy of what I did was punishment enough .
There 's not a day that goes by I do n't think about what I did , buying expensive dinners , driving fast cars.. Oh , the PAIN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I'm wracked with guilt after robbing that bank.
I shouldn't go to jail, the emotional tragedy of what I did was punishment enough.
There's not a day that goes by I don't think about what I did, buying expensive dinners, driving fast cars.. Oh, the PAIN!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440826</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>DocSavage64109</author>
	<datestamp>1268334120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe the parents where so used to seeing the realistic wii-gun laying around that the handgun laying around wasn't really out of place?  I bet if the wii controller looked different, the actual gun laying on the table would have stood out at least a little more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the parents where so used to seeing the realistic wii-gun laying around that the handgun laying around was n't really out of place ?
I bet if the wii controller looked different , the actual gun laying on the table would have stood out at least a little more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the parents where so used to seeing the realistic wii-gun laying around that the handgun laying around wasn't really out of place?
I bet if the wii controller looked different, the actual gun laying on the table would have stood out at least a little more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440568</id>
	<title>Obligatory XKCD</title>
	<author>lwatts</author>
	<datestamp>1268333100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://xkcd.com/558/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/558/</a> [xkcd.com] <br>
The difference between <a href="http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/weird/030910-toddler-mistakes-handgun-for-wii-gun" title="myfoxdfw.com" rel="nofollow">a white toy with an orange tip</a> [myfoxdfw.com] and <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7407373/Girl-3-thought-loaded-gun-was-Wii-controller-in-fatal-accident.html" title="telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">a black can't-buy-in-this-country fake gun</a> [telegraph.co.uk] is the difference between a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your daughter and a bottle of gin and a night with her.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //xkcd.com/558/ [ xkcd.com ] The difference between a white toy with an orange tip [ myfoxdfw.com ] and a black ca n't-buy-in-this-country fake gun [ telegraph.co.uk ] is the difference between a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your daughter and a bottle of gin and a night with her .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://xkcd.com/558/ [xkcd.com] 
The difference between a white toy with an orange tip [myfoxdfw.com] and a black can't-buy-in-this-country fake gun [telegraph.co.uk] is the difference between a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your daughter and a bottle of gin and a night with her.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440896</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268334360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fellow reply says that the kid reached for what she thought was a Wii gun controller, but I think there's more to this than that. I think that although his disgraceful behavior and ethical lacking got him disbarred, Jack Thompson's crackpot "video games make kids violent" theory has had an indelible effect on the national media.</p><p>And, IMO, using that in the submission to increase page views on Slashdot is just as disgraceful on the part of the editors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fellow reply says that the kid reached for what she thought was a Wii gun controller , but I think there 's more to this than that .
I think that although his disgraceful behavior and ethical lacking got him disbarred , Jack Thompson 's crackpot " video games make kids violent " theory has had an indelible effect on the national media.And , IMO , using that in the submission to increase page views on Slashdot is just as disgraceful on the part of the editors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fellow reply says that the kid reached for what she thought was a Wii gun controller, but I think there's more to this than that.
I think that although his disgraceful behavior and ethical lacking got him disbarred, Jack Thompson's crackpot "video games make kids violent" theory has had an indelible effect on the national media.And, IMO, using that in the submission to increase page views on Slashdot is just as disgraceful on the part of the editors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31441114</id>
	<title>Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned?</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1268335320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, clearly, it's not the irresponsible gun owner but the Evil Game Industry that is at fault here for making toys that look like the kind of gun a parent would leave lying around near his kid.</p><p>Clearly, if we just ban video games, nobody would get shot! Doesn't it make perfect sense?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , clearly , it 's not the irresponsible gun owner but the Evil Game Industry that is at fault here for making toys that look like the kind of gun a parent would leave lying around near his kid.Clearly , if we just ban video games , nobody would get shot !
Does n't it make perfect sense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, clearly, it's not the irresponsible gun owner but the Evil Game Industry that is at fault here for making toys that look like the kind of gun a parent would leave lying around near his kid.Clearly, if we just ban video games, nobody would get shot!
Doesn't it make perfect sense?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437438</id>
	<title>Suicide?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is manslaughter.  Whoever left a gun near a 3-year-old needs locking up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is manslaughter .
Whoever left a gun near a 3-year-old needs locking up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is manslaughter.
Whoever left a gun near a 3-year-old needs locking up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437756</id>
	<title>The father is responsible</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1268324340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard about this story a few days ago via Twitter.  Apparently, the father heard something outside and took his gun with him to investigate.  It turned out to be nothing so he went back to sleep, but not before putting his loaded gun on the coffee table.  Wait, I think that needs more emphasis: HE PUT HIS LOADED GUN ON THE COFFEE TABLE.</p><p>The next day, the 3 year old was playing, saw the gun, thought it was a game controller and shot himself.  Now I'm not a gun owner and I've never even held a gun, much less fired it, but even I know this much about gun safety:</p><p>You never leave a gun (especially a loaded gun) someplace where a child can get it!!!!</p><p>Why didn't the dad simply put it away?  "He was tired" isn't a valid answer.  As a parent, I've had plenty of times when I've been tired, but I don't leave weapons lying around when I am.  (And having had someone prowling about my house at 2am, I can tell you you tend to get very alert, very fast.)  As a parent, your child's safety and well-being is priority #1, even above your own.  Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothing compared to the risk of your child discovering the loaded gun the next morning before you remember about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard about this story a few days ago via Twitter .
Apparently , the father heard something outside and took his gun with him to investigate .
It turned out to be nothing so he went back to sleep , but not before putting his loaded gun on the coffee table .
Wait , I think that needs more emphasis : HE PUT HIS LOADED GUN ON THE COFFEE TABLE.The next day , the 3 year old was playing , saw the gun , thought it was a game controller and shot himself .
Now I 'm not a gun owner and I 've never even held a gun , much less fired it , but even I know this much about gun safety : You never leave a gun ( especially a loaded gun ) someplace where a child can get it ! ! !
! Why did n't the dad simply put it away ?
" He was tired " is n't a valid answer .
As a parent , I 've had plenty of times when I 've been tired , but I do n't leave weapons lying around when I am .
( And having had someone prowling about my house at 2am , I can tell you you tend to get very alert , very fast .
) As a parent , your child 's safety and well-being is priority # 1 , even above your own .
Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothing compared to the risk of your child discovering the loaded gun the next morning before you remember about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard about this story a few days ago via Twitter.
Apparently, the father heard something outside and took his gun with him to investigate.
It turned out to be nothing so he went back to sleep, but not before putting his loaded gun on the coffee table.
Wait, I think that needs more emphasis: HE PUT HIS LOADED GUN ON THE COFFEE TABLE.The next day, the 3 year old was playing, saw the gun, thought it was a game controller and shot himself.
Now I'm not a gun owner and I've never even held a gun, much less fired it, but even I know this much about gun safety:You never leave a gun (especially a loaded gun) someplace where a child can get it!!!
!Why didn't the dad simply put it away?
"He was tired" isn't a valid answer.
As a parent, I've had plenty of times when I've been tired, but I don't leave weapons lying around when I am.
(And having had someone prowling about my house at 2am, I can tell you you tend to get very alert, very fast.
)  As a parent, your child's safety and well-being is priority #1, even above your own.
Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothing compared to the risk of your child discovering the loaded gun the next morning before you remember about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31437652</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268323980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not what law is for.</p><p>The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions. What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not what law is for.The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions .
What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not what law is for.The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions.
What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438206</id>
	<title>Re:Blame the Wii!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268325480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to post a scathing tirade about this post, but I apparently didn't read what you said carefully enough.</p><p>I'll skip right on to the "Whoooooooooooosh!" I so rightfully deserve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to post a scathing tirade about this post , but I apparently did n't read what you said carefully enough.I 'll skip right on to the " Whoooooooooooosh !
" I so rightfully deserve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to post a scathing tirade about this post, but I apparently didn't read what you said carefully enough.I'll skip right on to the "Whoooooooooooosh!
" I so rightfully deserve.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439922</id>
	<title>please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268330580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>real gun control is when a gun owner controls the gun 24/7/365 in all aspects including who can access it and who can't. Nintendo is not to blame, nor is the controller manufacture for making a realistic looking video game accessory. society as a whole needs to learn not to jump to conclusions quickly, and that every situation is different. maybe every child should be brought to the firing range and shown how permanent the affects of pulling the trigger can be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>real gun control is when a gun owner controls the gun 24/7/365 in all aspects including who can access it and who ca n't .
Nintendo is not to blame , nor is the controller manufacture for making a realistic looking video game accessory .
society as a whole needs to learn not to jump to conclusions quickly , and that every situation is different .
maybe every child should be brought to the firing range and shown how permanent the affects of pulling the trigger can be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>real gun control is when a gun owner controls the gun 24/7/365 in all aspects including who can access it and who can't.
Nintendo is not to blame, nor is the controller manufacture for making a realistic looking video game accessory.
society as a whole needs to learn not to jump to conclusions quickly, and that every situation is different.
maybe every child should be brought to the firing range and shown how permanent the affects of pulling the trigger can be?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31438758</id>
	<title>Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges?</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1268326860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait a second there: so now law is not the same for everyone? When did we start making exceptions? Especially for such crimes as homicide (from neglect or otherwise)? The life of that toddler is as valuable as mine or yours. Just because it was her parent (or step-parent) that caused it, does not mean that the law should regard her case differently than any other homicide.</p><p>There is a reason why <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady\_Justice" title="wikipedia.org">Justitia, the patron and symbol of justice, is blindfolded</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait a second there : so now law is not the same for everyone ?
When did we start making exceptions ?
Especially for such crimes as homicide ( from neglect or otherwise ) ?
The life of that toddler is as valuable as mine or yours .
Just because it was her parent ( or step-parent ) that caused it , does not mean that the law should regard her case differently than any other homicide.There is a reason why Justitia , the patron and symbol of justice , is blindfolded [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait a second there: so now law is not the same for everyone?
When did we start making exceptions?
Especially for such crimes as homicide (from neglect or otherwise)?
The life of that toddler is as valuable as mine or yours.
Just because it was her parent (or step-parent) that caused it, does not mean that the law should regard her case differently than any other homicide.There is a reason why Justitia, the patron and symbol of justice, is blindfolded [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31452944</id>
	<title>Re:Just read the story</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1268415780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's probably wrong actually. You see, the report first said that the child was playing with a black Wii controller that resembled a gun. The guys at Kotaku saw this as suspicios and went to see if one could actually purchase such a thing and this is the only one they came up with that seems to match. Thing is, unless the father went to a lot of trouble to specifically buy a hard-to-find type of controller, it's unlikely this is what was used.<br>There are a variety of peripherals which would seem to be potential candidates, But I'd guess it to be more likely it was on of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Wii-Remote-MotionPlus-Bundle-Black-Nintendo/dp/B002I08DQI/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=videogames&amp;qid=1268411380&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">these</a> [amazon.com] with a little creativity from the parents.</p><p>Realistic looking light guns used to be quite common, like this one <a href="http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00008P02A/ref=cm\_ciu\_pdp\_images\_0?ie=UTF8&amp;index=0" title="amazon.de">http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00008P02A/ref=cm\_ciu\_pdp\_images\_0?ie=UTF8&amp;index=0</a> [amazon.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's probably wrong actually .
You see , the report first said that the child was playing with a black Wii controller that resembled a gun .
The guys at Kotaku saw this as suspicios and went to see if one could actually purchase such a thing and this is the only one they came up with that seems to match .
Thing is , unless the father went to a lot of trouble to specifically buy a hard-to-find type of controller , it 's unlikely this is what was used.There are a variety of peripherals which would seem to be potential candidates , But I 'd guess it to be more likely it was on of these [ amazon.com ] with a little creativity from the parents.Realistic looking light guns used to be quite common , like this one http : //www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00008P02A/ref = cm \ _ciu \ _pdp \ _images \ _0 ? ie = UTF8&amp;index = 0 [ amazon.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's probably wrong actually.
You see, the report first said that the child was playing with a black Wii controller that resembled a gun.
The guys at Kotaku saw this as suspicios and went to see if one could actually purchase such a thing and this is the only one they came up with that seems to match.
Thing is, unless the father went to a lot of trouble to specifically buy a hard-to-find type of controller, it's unlikely this is what was used.There are a variety of peripherals which would seem to be potential candidates, But I'd guess it to be more likely it was on of these [amazon.com] with a little creativity from the parents.Realistic looking light guns used to be quite common, like this one http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00008P02A/ref=cm\_ciu\_pdp\_images\_0?ie=UTF8&amp;index=0 [amazon.de]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31439606</id>
	<title>Wii?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268329500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does this have do to with a Wii, is there a game where you are suppose to pick something up and shoot yourself?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does this have do to with a Wii , is there a game where you are suppose to pick something up and shoot yourself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does this have do to with a Wii, is there a game where you are suppose to pick something up and shoot yourself?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_11_142257.31440122</id>
	<title>Re:"Nintendo" and "Wii" in all the headlines....</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1268331360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn right!  And to make sure there's no repetition of this tragedy, we should adopt the <a href="http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1309&amp;dat=19920614&amp;id=QrcTAAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=JZADAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=6748,1327090" title="google.com">Flynn Solution</a> [google.com] and ban the Wii!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn right !
And to make sure there 's no repetition of this tragedy , we should adopt the Flynn Solution [ google.com ] and ban the Wii !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn right!
And to make sure there's no repetition of this tragedy, we should adopt the Flynn Solution [google.com] and ban the Wii!</sentencetext>
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