<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_09_0134223</id>
	<title>Making Sense of CPU and GPU Model Numbers?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268130000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>b4dc0d3r writes <i>"How do you make sense of the various model numbers or naming schemes for CPUs, graphics cards, and the related chipsets?  All I want is something that will run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV.  Last time I built my own computer I just went to Pricewatch, made a few easy choices, and everything came to my door. Do I really have to <a href="http://www.pricewatch.com/computer\_systems\_with\_os/">research the differences</a> among Core i5, Core 2 Duo, Pentium 4, Pentium D, Sempron, Athlon, Phenom ...? And that's just the processor. Is there a reference somewhere? In short, how do you buy a computer these days?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>b4dc0d3r writes " How do you make sense of the various model numbers or naming schemes for CPUs , graphics cards , and the related chipsets ?
All I want is something that will run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV .
Last time I built my own computer I just went to Pricewatch , made a few easy choices , and everything came to my door .
Do I really have to research the differences among Core i5 , Core 2 Duo , Pentium 4 , Pentium D , Sempron , Athlon , Phenom ... ?
And that 's just the processor .
Is there a reference somewhere ?
In short , how do you buy a computer these days ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>b4dc0d3r writes "How do you make sense of the various model numbers or naming schemes for CPUs, graphics cards, and the related chipsets?
All I want is something that will run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV.
Last time I built my own computer I just went to Pricewatch, made a few easy choices, and everything came to my door.
Do I really have to research the differences among Core i5, Core 2 Duo, Pentium 4, Pentium D, Sempron, Athlon, Phenom ...?
And that's just the processor.
Is there a reference somewhere?
In short, how do you buy a computer these days?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411530</id>
	<title>I guess too much "in short", but still...</title>
	<author>suffix tree monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1268134440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In short, I'm waiting for Core i7 prices to drop. The reason is, I always like to have my computer extensible in the future, and that's hard when the socket is at the end of the line. Core 2 is probably one of those, and of i5 and i7 socket confusion, my potential money is on i7's LGA 1366. But the current models are far too expensive here (central Europe).<br>
<br>
To answer the main question, my computer-buying habits haven't changed, I usually run a DFS from Wikipedia to find information on hardware I'd like to purchase and to compare prices I use my local meta-stores (which are of no use to you, as we live in a different country, most likely).</htmltext>
<tokenext>In short , I 'm waiting for Core i7 prices to drop .
The reason is , I always like to have my computer extensible in the future , and that 's hard when the socket is at the end of the line .
Core 2 is probably one of those , and of i5 and i7 socket confusion , my potential money is on i7 's LGA 1366 .
But the current models are far too expensive here ( central Europe ) .
To answer the main question , my computer-buying habits have n't changed , I usually run a DFS from Wikipedia to find information on hardware I 'd like to purchase and to compare prices I use my local meta-stores ( which are of no use to you , as we live in a different country , most likely ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In short, I'm waiting for Core i7 prices to drop.
The reason is, I always like to have my computer extensible in the future, and that's hard when the socket is at the end of the line.
Core 2 is probably one of those, and of i5 and i7 socket confusion, my potential money is on i7's LGA 1366.
But the current models are far too expensive here (central Europe).
To answer the main question, my computer-buying habits haven't changed, I usually run a DFS from Wikipedia to find information on hardware I'd like to purchase and to compare prices I use my local meta-stores (which are of no use to you, as we live in a different country, most likely).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415014</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good many people out there still have their Athlon XP 2000-2500 systems - myself included. Partially because of "good enough", partially from economics.</p><p>This system (which I built) was good enough to play most new games decently almost right up to the point Crysis came out. The only things that have changed in this system since it was built in 2004 or so is that my Radeon 9600 Pro died and I couldn't find an AGP replacement (currently running on a GeForce MX400 from the parts bin - NOW I can't play any games!) and adding more HDD space.</p><p>And I too was an uber-geek for PC hardware, until real life caught up and I didn't have time to keep up with anything. Yesterday I was asked to help a friend setup a system, and I'm so lost that I basically found an HP with the best-looking specs for his budget (most RAM, most HDD, non-integrated video) at Wal-Mart.</p><p>*snicker* I've gone from building PCs from scratch with custom-ordered parts and $500 Thermaltake cases . . . to buying el cheapo's at Wal-Mart.</p><p>Sad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good many people out there still have their Athlon XP 2000-2500 systems - myself included .
Partially because of " good enough " , partially from economics.This system ( which I built ) was good enough to play most new games decently almost right up to the point Crysis came out .
The only things that have changed in this system since it was built in 2004 or so is that my Radeon 9600 Pro died and I could n't find an AGP replacement ( currently running on a GeForce MX400 from the parts bin - NOW I ca n't play any games !
) and adding more HDD space.And I too was an uber-geek for PC hardware , until real life caught up and I did n't have time to keep up with anything .
Yesterday I was asked to help a friend setup a system , and I 'm so lost that I basically found an HP with the best-looking specs for his budget ( most RAM , most HDD , non-integrated video ) at Wal-Mart .
* snicker * I 've gone from building PCs from scratch with custom-ordered parts and $ 500 Thermaltake cases .
. .
to buying el cheapo 's at Wal-Mart.Sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good many people out there still have their Athlon XP 2000-2500 systems - myself included.
Partially because of "good enough", partially from economics.This system (which I built) was good enough to play most new games decently almost right up to the point Crysis came out.
The only things that have changed in this system since it was built in 2004 or so is that my Radeon 9600 Pro died and I couldn't find an AGP replacement (currently running on a GeForce MX400 from the parts bin - NOW I can't play any games!
) and adding more HDD space.And I too was an uber-geek for PC hardware, until real life caught up and I didn't have time to keep up with anything.
Yesterday I was asked to help a friend setup a system, and I'm so lost that I basically found an HP with the best-looking specs for his budget (most RAM, most HDD, non-integrated video) at Wal-Mart.
*snicker* I've gone from building PCs from scratch with custom-ordered parts and $500 Thermaltake cases .
. .
to buying el cheapo's at Wal-Mart.Sad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411742</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31422806</id>
	<title>For Intel processors and chipsets, use this site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268153580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ark.intel.com</p><p>Look up by processors, chipsets, boards, codenames, model names. Includes a ton of stats on each and can also do a comparison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ark.intel.comLook up by processors , chipsets , boards , codenames , model names .
Includes a ton of stats on each and can also do a comparison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ark.intel.comLook up by processors, chipsets, boards, codenames, model names.
Includes a ton of stats on each and can also do a comparison.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412014</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1268141280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But if you want hardward virtualisation, either buy AMD, or check the Intel model numbers very carefully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you want hardward virtualisation , either buy AMD , or check the Intel model numbers very carefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you want hardward virtualisation, either buy AMD, or check the Intel model numbers very carefully.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411466</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411742</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This.  Also, during the 1990s computer performance increased dramatically, as in it went from 10MHz to 1000MHz.  Since then things have sort of reached a level of "good enough".  For instance, I kept my motherboard and processor the same from 2002-2007, simply because it was still able to run most current software just fine.  The only things which really prompted an upgrade were Oblivion and a desire to play with a 64-bit OS.<br>
And as the parent says, that was a long enough wait to have lost touch with motherboard, memory and graphics card technology.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This .
Also , during the 1990s computer performance increased dramatically , as in it went from 10MHz to 1000MHz .
Since then things have sort of reached a level of " good enough " .
For instance , I kept my motherboard and processor the same from 2002-2007 , simply because it was still able to run most current software just fine .
The only things which really prompted an upgrade were Oblivion and a desire to play with a 64-bit OS .
And as the parent says , that was a long enough wait to have lost touch with motherboard , memory and graphics card technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This.
Also, during the 1990s computer performance increased dramatically, as in it went from 10MHz to 1000MHz.
Since then things have sort of reached a level of "good enough".
For instance, I kept my motherboard and processor the same from 2002-2007, simply because it was still able to run most current software just fine.
The only things which really prompted an upgrade were Oblivion and a desire to play with a 64-bit OS.
And as the parent says, that was a long enough wait to have lost touch with motherboard, memory and graphics card technology.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411594</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413754</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>Peganthyrus</author>
	<datestamp>1268150640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where do you usually sell it at? *grin*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do you usually sell it at ?
* grin *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do you usually sell it at?
*grin*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415978</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268158980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ULTRA?? you gotta be frakkin' kidding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ULTRA ? ?
you got ta be frakkin ' kidding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ULTRA??
you gotta be frakkin' kidding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412552</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411554</id>
	<title>Quite Easy</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1268134680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's quite easy, select your brand (intel/AMD or different) and choose according how hard you'll need your raw cpupower. Don't take your selection lightly; because you'll have a second vacuum cleaner in the house (core 2 duo vs dual core). Gamer machines/video and audio production stations need more raw cpupower than a PC being used for wordprocessing and Internet.</p><p>Most CPU models are categorized by date of production. The best advice I can give you when buying a system is to not buy the newest technology for various reasons:</p><ol> <li>Driver support is mostly flacky/buggy for newest technologies</li><li>Often revisions come out (v2, v3) from the same mainboard</li><li>Newest technology costs (lots) more money. In the past 33mhz could make a double difference in your wallet.</li><li>Same with storage and memory; cutting edge technology costs more; it's mostly cheaper to select 2x2gig instead of 1x4gig of ram.</li></ol><p>Maybe a better criteria: first select your mainboard closest to which you want and afterwards choose the cpu fitting on your mobo. Look around for a few suppliers to compare because the same hardware is available in many prices. OEM costs less; although could mean degredation in quality too with some brands. If you really want A-quality material; you'll pay a bit more but it'll last longer too.</p><p>Always a good advice to search your dream-machine first on the Internet for reviews; especially the bad ones where people are having trouble installing software because of driver/hardware conflicts. Research in advance to avoid problems afterwards and don't be tempted too much with promotions; mostly containing selections of materials to stay within a profitable budget....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite easy , select your brand ( intel/AMD or different ) and choose according how hard you 'll need your raw cpupower .
Do n't take your selection lightly ; because you 'll have a second vacuum cleaner in the house ( core 2 duo vs dual core ) .
Gamer machines/video and audio production stations need more raw cpupower than a PC being used for wordprocessing and Internet.Most CPU models are categorized by date of production .
The best advice I can give you when buying a system is to not buy the newest technology for various reasons : Driver support is mostly flacky/buggy for newest technologiesOften revisions come out ( v2 , v3 ) from the same mainboardNewest technology costs ( lots ) more money .
In the past 33mhz could make a double difference in your wallet.Same with storage and memory ; cutting edge technology costs more ; it 's mostly cheaper to select 2x2gig instead of 1x4gig of ram.Maybe a better criteria : first select your mainboard closest to which you want and afterwards choose the cpu fitting on your mobo .
Look around for a few suppliers to compare because the same hardware is available in many prices .
OEM costs less ; although could mean degredation in quality too with some brands .
If you really want A-quality material ; you 'll pay a bit more but it 'll last longer too.Always a good advice to search your dream-machine first on the Internet for reviews ; especially the bad ones where people are having trouble installing software because of driver/hardware conflicts .
Research in advance to avoid problems afterwards and do n't be tempted too much with promotions ; mostly containing selections of materials to stay within a profitable budget... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite easy, select your brand (intel/AMD or different) and choose according how hard you'll need your raw cpupower.
Don't take your selection lightly; because you'll have a second vacuum cleaner in the house (core 2 duo vs dual core).
Gamer machines/video and audio production stations need more raw cpupower than a PC being used for wordprocessing and Internet.Most CPU models are categorized by date of production.
The best advice I can give you when buying a system is to not buy the newest technology for various reasons: Driver support is mostly flacky/buggy for newest technologiesOften revisions come out (v2, v3) from the same mainboardNewest technology costs (lots) more money.
In the past 33mhz could make a double difference in your wallet.Same with storage and memory; cutting edge technology costs more; it's mostly cheaper to select 2x2gig instead of 1x4gig of ram.Maybe a better criteria: first select your mainboard closest to which you want and afterwards choose the cpu fitting on your mobo.
Look around for a few suppliers to compare because the same hardware is available in many prices.
OEM costs less; although could mean degredation in quality too with some brands.
If you really want A-quality material; you'll pay a bit more but it'll last longer too.Always a good advice to search your dream-machine first on the Internet for reviews; especially the bad ones where people are having trouble installing software because of driver/hardware conflicts.
Research in advance to avoid problems afterwards and don't be tempted too much with promotions; mostly containing selections of materials to stay within a profitable budget....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413496</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268149440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unless you're buying a laptop with integrated graphics card, any machine you can buy can play any game you want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you 're buying a laptop with integrated graphics card , any machine you can buy can play any game you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you're buying a laptop with integrated graphics card, any machine you can buy can play any game you want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412032</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411540</id>
	<title>older sites</title>
	<author>Polo</author>
	<datestamp>1268134620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sharky Extreme makes good system recommendations:</p><p><a href="http://www.sharkyextreme.com/" title="sharkyextreme.com">http://www.sharkyextreme.com/</a> [sharkyextreme.com]</p><p>The PC Parts picking guide has excellent price/performance explanations... But they haven't updated things in a while (a real shame).</p><p><a href="http://shsc.info/PCPartsPickingGuide" title="shsc.info">http://shsc.info/PCPartsPickingGuide</a> [shsc.info]</p><p>(note: I haven't built a system in a while)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sharky Extreme makes good system recommendations : http : //www.sharkyextreme.com/ [ sharkyextreme.com ] The PC Parts picking guide has excellent price/performance explanations... But they have n't updated things in a while ( a real shame ) .http : //shsc.info/PCPartsPickingGuide [ shsc.info ] ( note : I have n't built a system in a while )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sharky Extreme makes good system recommendations:http://www.sharkyextreme.com/ [sharkyextreme.com]The PC Parts picking guide has excellent price/performance explanations... But they haven't updated things in a while (a real shame).http://shsc.info/PCPartsPickingGuide [shsc.info](note: I haven't built a system in a while)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416392</id>
	<title>Model numbers? Pfffft!</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1268160480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just look at the price and the wattage consumed. The higher, the better, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just look at the price and the wattage consumed .
The higher , the better , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just look at the price and the wattage consumed.
The higher, the better, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411832</id>
	<title>Open source freak shoots up the Pentagon!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268138640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Patrick\_Bedell#Perpetrator" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Oh, the humanity!</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , the humanity !
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, the humanity!
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412544</id>
	<title>Re:Ars technica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried to read the Ars article, but their frakked up website doesn't like my Ad-Block Plus.  Also, their mods (think power-hungry,"muscle-flexing" peon giving their contributors a bad name) think of ABP users as leechers.</p><p>When Ars can guarantee in writing that their ad system will not be a vector for malicious software, then I'll turn off my ABP.  Until then, frak em.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to read the Ars article , but their frakked up website does n't like my Ad-Block Plus .
Also , their mods ( think power-hungry , " muscle-flexing " peon giving their contributors a bad name ) think of ABP users as leechers.When Ars can guarantee in writing that their ad system will not be a vector for malicious software , then I 'll turn off my ABP .
Until then , frak em .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to read the Ars article, but their frakked up website doesn't like my Ad-Block Plus.
Also, their mods (think power-hungry,"muscle-flexing" peon giving their contributors a bad name) think of ABP users as leechers.When Ars can guarantee in writing that their ad system will not be a vector for malicious software, then I'll turn off my ABP.
Until then, frak em.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411990</id>
	<title>Re:Steps...</title>
	<author>machine321</author>
	<datestamp>1268140980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This has not changed much in the 25+ years I've been working with computers.</p></div><p>Does that mean the computer I *really* want is still $4000?</p><p>Sorry, I'll get off your lawn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has not changed much in the 25 + years I 've been working with computers.Does that mean the computer I * really * want is still $ 4000 ? Sorry , I 'll get off your lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has not changed much in the 25+ years I've been working with computers.Does that mean the computer I *really* want is still $4000?Sorry, I'll get off your lawn.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411548</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411564</id>
	<title>techreport System Guide</title>
	<author>mo^</author>
	<datestamp>1268134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I usually find the advice from tech report's periodical System Guide to be very useful and relevant.</p><p><a href="http://techreport.com/articles.x/18510" title="techreport.com">Their latest report</a> [techreport.com] came out a couple of weeks ago.  They focus on a range of options at various price points and requirements.</p><p>sorry to attempt to answer your question and not shill Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually find the advice from tech report 's periodical System Guide to be very useful and relevant.Their latest report [ techreport.com ] came out a couple of weeks ago .
They focus on a range of options at various price points and requirements.sorry to attempt to answer your question and not shill Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually find the advice from tech report's periodical System Guide to be very useful and relevant.Their latest report [techreport.com] came out a couple of weeks ago.
They focus on a range of options at various price points and requirements.sorry to attempt to answer your question and not shill Apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416800</id>
	<title>Re:Virtualization</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268162640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This and XP Mode in Windows 7 are some of the strongest reasons to buy a current AMD chip (the last one being cost). You can't tell in some cases whether an Intel chip has virtualization even by model number alone-- for some model numbers, they initially didn't support it and later added it to compete with AMD here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This and XP Mode in Windows 7 are some of the strongest reasons to buy a current AMD chip ( the last one being cost ) .
You ca n't tell in some cases whether an Intel chip has virtualization even by model number alone-- for some model numbers , they initially did n't support it and later added it to compete with AMD here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This and XP Mode in Windows 7 are some of the strongest reasons to buy a current AMD chip (the last one being cost).
You can't tell in some cases whether an Intel chip has virtualization even by model number alone-- for some model numbers, they initially didn't support it and later added it to compete with AMD here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412114</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>burisch\_research</author>
	<datestamp>1268142060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note prices in that graph are probably Aussie dollars</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note prices in that graph are probably Aussie dollars</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note prices in that graph are probably Aussie dollars</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412530</id>
	<title>Re:Think about the motherboard</title>
	<author>JordanL</author>
	<datestamp>1268145120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, according to this article over at TechReport ( <a href="http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448/17" title="techreport.com">http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448/17</a> [techreport.com] ) the system price (figuring in mobo costs) for AMD procs tends to be higher per unit of performance.<br> <br>

( See this chart: <a href="http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-roundup-2010q1/value-perf-bar-sysprices.gif" title="techreport.com">http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-roundup-2010q1/value-perf-bar-sysprices.gif</a> [techreport.com] )</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , according to this article over at TechReport ( http : //techreport.com/articles.x/18448/17 [ techreport.com ] ) the system price ( figuring in mobo costs ) for AMD procs tends to be higher per unit of performance .
( See this chart : http : //techreport.com/r.x/cpu-roundup-2010q1/value-perf-bar-sysprices.gif [ techreport.com ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, according to this article over at TechReport ( http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448/17 [techreport.com] ) the system price (figuring in mobo costs) for AMD procs tends to be higher per unit of performance.
( See this chart: http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-roundup-2010q1/value-perf-bar-sysprices.gif [techreport.com] )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413162</id>
	<title>get a console</title>
	<author>gregarine</author>
	<datestamp>1268148000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy a XBox360 and then you won't have worry yourself about all those nasties inside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a XBox360 and then you wo n't have worry yourself about all those nasties inside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a XBox360 and then you won't have worry yourself about all those nasties inside.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413582</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Freultwah</author>
	<datestamp>1268149800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A Phenom II X4 is still way cheaper than the equivalent Core i5-750. The same applies to the motherboard. I did the maths a couple of months ago. Had a fixed budget and the Phenom II X4 machine could be squeezed in quite comfortably, whereas the Core i5 ended up approximately 300 to 400 dollars' worth of money out of the range. I don't think the negligible win in performance (if there would have been any) would have been noticeable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Phenom II X4 is still way cheaper than the equivalent Core i5-750 .
The same applies to the motherboard .
I did the maths a couple of months ago .
Had a fixed budget and the Phenom II X4 machine could be squeezed in quite comfortably , whereas the Core i5 ended up approximately 300 to 400 dollars ' worth of money out of the range .
I do n't think the negligible win in performance ( if there would have been any ) would have been noticeable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Phenom II X4 is still way cheaper than the equivalent Core i5-750.
The same applies to the motherboard.
I did the maths a couple of months ago.
Had a fixed budget and the Phenom II X4 machine could be squeezed in quite comfortably, whereas the Core i5 ended up approximately 300 to 400 dollars' worth of money out of the range.
I don't think the negligible win in performance (if there would have been any) would have been noticeable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412876</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268146860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rugged? Mac? I see the Reality distortion field caught you. ToughBooks (even the business series, not the rubber bricks) and Thinkpad T series (with their roll cage) are rugged the rest are meh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rugged ?
Mac ? I see the Reality distortion field caught you .
ToughBooks ( even the business series , not the rubber bricks ) and Thinkpad T series ( with their roll cage ) are rugged the rest are meh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rugged?
Mac? I see the Reality distortion field caught you.
ToughBooks (even the business series, not the rubber bricks) and Thinkpad T series (with their roll cage) are rugged the rest are meh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412138</id>
	<title>It has gotten more and more difficult...</title>
	<author>grahamlord86</author>
	<datestamp>1268142180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not an old man and thus only have about 10 years experience with computers, but in those ten years, components have become more and more complicated.</p><p>It used to be that the faster processors had the highest numeral (eg, Pentium 2  Pentium 3) and the highest clock speed tacked to the end of them.</p><p>But now we've reached the brick wall of that megahertz race and we're in a new efficiency race, where things are not so simple. The highest numeral isn't always the best, and neither is the highest clock speed- although it still helps.</p><p>This would be far less of a problem if the older components died out, like they used to, but even that's not the case anymore.<br>For example, the Pentium brand is STILL alive, because when Intel get a load of duff C2D chips with bad caches, they dust them off and sell them as Pentiums. This is a lot more economical for them, but it means that the old generations of chips won't die to clean up the market for new ones.</p><p>Things would probably be a lot clearer if the older components could some how be killed off once and for all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not an old man and thus only have about 10 years experience with computers , but in those ten years , components have become more and more complicated.It used to be that the faster processors had the highest numeral ( eg , Pentium 2 Pentium 3 ) and the highest clock speed tacked to the end of them.But now we 've reached the brick wall of that megahertz race and we 're in a new efficiency race , where things are not so simple .
The highest numeral is n't always the best , and neither is the highest clock speed- although it still helps.This would be far less of a problem if the older components died out , like they used to , but even that 's not the case anymore.For example , the Pentium brand is STILL alive , because when Intel get a load of duff C2D chips with bad caches , they dust them off and sell them as Pentiums .
This is a lot more economical for them , but it means that the old generations of chips wo n't die to clean up the market for new ones.Things would probably be a lot clearer if the older components could some how be killed off once and for all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not an old man and thus only have about 10 years experience with computers, but in those ten years, components have become more and more complicated.It used to be that the faster processors had the highest numeral (eg, Pentium 2  Pentium 3) and the highest clock speed tacked to the end of them.But now we've reached the brick wall of that megahertz race and we're in a new efficiency race, where things are not so simple.
The highest numeral isn't always the best, and neither is the highest clock speed- although it still helps.This would be far less of a problem if the older components died out, like they used to, but even that's not the case anymore.For example, the Pentium brand is STILL alive, because when Intel get a load of duff C2D chips with bad caches, they dust them off and sell them as Pentiums.
This is a lot more economical for them, but it means that the old generations of chips won't die to clean up the market for new ones.Things would probably be a lot clearer if the older components could some how be killed off once and for all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411518</id>
	<title>I grew up</title>
	<author>gmhowell</author>
	<datestamp>1268134320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I grew up and just started going to <a href="http://store.apple.com/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">this website</a> [apple.com] and bought what seemed about right. Too busy with women, my kid, motorcycle, and work to worry about all that crap any longer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up and just started going to this website [ apple.com ] and bought what seemed about right .
Too busy with women , my kid , motorcycle , and work to worry about all that crap any longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up and just started going to this website [apple.com] and bought what seemed about right.
Too busy with women, my kid, motorcycle, and work to worry about all that crap any longer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411698</id>
	<title>ark.intel.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For intel, I don't think you can beat ark.intel.com for plain info.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For intel , I do n't think you can beat ark.intel.com for plain info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For intel, I don't think you can beat ark.intel.com for plain info.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411504</id>
	<title>Buy Apple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will make your choice much easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will make your choice much easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will make your choice much easier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412134</id>
	<title>Process</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1268142180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Set your budget.</p><p>2. Determine your application: office? games? media center?</p><p>3. Determine your desired lifecycle</p><p>4. Choose hardware that suits the result of #2 and 3</p><p>if games:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; spend money on video card and processor, but maybe not so much on anything else</p><p>if office (lots of hours/day of use):</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; spend money on ergonomics such as IPS monitor, ergo keyboard and mouse, office s/w, etc...</p><p>if media center:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; spend money on TV Tuner card, IR remote, good media center S/W, Bluray drive, HDMI video card</p><p>--</p><p>A note on multicore processors. They are useful if you run a lot of background services or multiple CPU-intensive applications, but 99.9\% of S/W is not written to take advantage of the architecture directly. Multicore procs are most useful today for background services. Unless you have a specific piece of software that utilizes multiple cores in a deliberate way, more than 2 cores is probably a waste of money for you.</p><p>I have three PCs at home: An Athlon X2-5200, a Phenom X4-940, and a Core i7-920. I can't tell a difference between any of them for 99.9\% of the stuff that I do.</p><p>Oh, and an SSD makes a gigantic difference if you can afford it. All three of my PCs have a 60GB SSD for the system and a 1TB hard disk for everything else. The SSD makes all the difference in the world in terms of making the PC more snappy and responsive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Set your budget.2 .
Determine your application : office ?
games ? media center ? 3 .
Determine your desired lifecycle4 .
Choose hardware that suits the result of # 2 and 3if games :       spend money on video card and processor , but maybe not so much on anything elseif office ( lots of hours/day of use ) :       spend money on ergonomics such as IPS monitor , ergo keyboard and mouse , office s/w , etc...if media center :       spend money on TV Tuner card , IR remote , good media center S/W , Bluray drive , HDMI video card--A note on multicore processors .
They are useful if you run a lot of background services or multiple CPU-intensive applications , but 99.9 \ % of S/W is not written to take advantage of the architecture directly .
Multicore procs are most useful today for background services .
Unless you have a specific piece of software that utilizes multiple cores in a deliberate way , more than 2 cores is probably a waste of money for you.I have three PCs at home : An Athlon X2-5200 , a Phenom X4-940 , and a Core i7-920 .
I ca n't tell a difference between any of them for 99.9 \ % of the stuff that I do.Oh , and an SSD makes a gigantic difference if you can afford it .
All three of my PCs have a 60GB SSD for the system and a 1TB hard disk for everything else .
The SSD makes all the difference in the world in terms of making the PC more snappy and responsive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Set your budget.2.
Determine your application: office?
games? media center?3.
Determine your desired lifecycle4.
Choose hardware that suits the result of #2 and 3if games:
      spend money on video card and processor, but maybe not so much on anything elseif office (lots of hours/day of use):
      spend money on ergonomics such as IPS monitor, ergo keyboard and mouse, office s/w, etc...if media center:
      spend money on TV Tuner card, IR remote, good media center S/W, Bluray drive, HDMI video card--A note on multicore processors.
They are useful if you run a lot of background services or multiple CPU-intensive applications, but 99.9\% of S/W is not written to take advantage of the architecture directly.
Multicore procs are most useful today for background services.
Unless you have a specific piece of software that utilizes multiple cores in a deliberate way, more than 2 cores is probably a waste of money for you.I have three PCs at home: An Athlon X2-5200, a Phenom X4-940, and a Core i7-920.
I can't tell a difference between any of them for 99.9\% of the stuff that I do.Oh, and an SSD makes a gigantic difference if you can afford it.
All three of my PCs have a 60GB SSD for the system and a 1TB hard disk for everything else.
The SSD makes all the difference in the world in terms of making the PC more snappy and responsive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31420382</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>ooloogi</author>
	<datestamp>1268134800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> but give only about 20 Amps on 12V.</p></div><p> A Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB is specced at drawing 296mA from the 12V rail.  Typical fans draw around 200mA.   At that rate I could theoretically have 10 fans and 60 hard drives all within 20A. How often is 20A really going to be too little current at 12V?  The regulation and ripple of cheap supplies can definitely be a worry, but I don't see the current rating itself as being the issue for most people.  20A at 12V is 240W just for the 12V rail, and most modern PCs idle at around 60W or less total from the wall with the fans running and disk spinning.</p><p>Get a quality 80+ power supply, but for the reasons of power regulation quality in preventing damage to other components, and not maximum output current. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but give only about 20 Amps on 12V .
A Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB is specced at drawing 296mA from the 12V rail .
Typical fans draw around 200mA .
At that rate I could theoretically have 10 fans and 60 hard drives all within 20A .
How often is 20A really going to be too little current at 12V ?
The regulation and ripple of cheap supplies can definitely be a worry , but I do n't see the current rating itself as being the issue for most people .
20A at 12V is 240W just for the 12V rail , and most modern PCs idle at around 60W or less total from the wall with the fans running and disk spinning.Get a quality 80 + power supply , but for the reasons of power regulation quality in preventing damage to other components , and not maximum output current .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> but give only about 20 Amps on 12V.
A Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB is specced at drawing 296mA from the 12V rail.
Typical fans draw around 200mA.
At that rate I could theoretically have 10 fans and 60 hard drives all within 20A.
How often is 20A really going to be too little current at 12V?
The regulation and ripple of cheap supplies can definitely be a worry, but I don't see the current rating itself as being the issue for most people.
20A at 12V is 240W just for the 12V rail, and most modern PCs idle at around 60W or less total from the wall with the fans running and disk spinning.Get a quality 80+ power supply, but for the reasons of power regulation quality in preventing damage to other components, and not maximum output current. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412690</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268146020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is parent modded as insightful? Every 3 years he blindly buys a new computer. You can do this with any brand of PC (wipe that shit eating grin off your face maccy), you will certainly see the same performance/quality/innovation as a Mac if you select from the highend line (eg Dell's Precision, HP's Zseries, etc).</p><p>If you buy from a middleman, then your choices are made for you, wrapped up in a nice little package.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is parent modded as insightful ?
Every 3 years he blindly buys a new computer .
You can do this with any brand of PC ( wipe that shit eating grin off your face maccy ) , you will certainly see the same performance/quality/innovation as a Mac if you select from the highend line ( eg Dell 's Precision , HP 's Zseries , etc ) .If you buy from a middleman , then your choices are made for you , wrapped up in a nice little package .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is parent modded as insightful?
Every 3 years he blindly buys a new computer.
You can do this with any brand of PC (wipe that shit eating grin off your face maccy), you will certainly see the same performance/quality/innovation as a Mac if you select from the highend line (eg Dell's Precision, HP's Zseries, etc).If you buy from a middleman, then your choices are made for you, wrapped up in a nice little package.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411528</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>gmhowell</author>
	<datestamp>1268134380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clear as mud. Thanks for your help!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clear as mud .
Thanks for your help !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clear as mud.
Thanks for your help!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412488</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like bitter commentary from a developer who can't write clean code that will run in a real production environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like bitter commentary from a developer who ca n't write clean code that will run in a real production environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like bitter commentary from a developer who can't write clean code that will run in a real production environment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411638</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>beelsebob</author>
	<datestamp>1268135700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Core i5 is also faster than any current AMD desktop processor, so it makes a lot of sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Core i5 is also faster than any current AMD desktop processor , so it makes a lot of sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Core i5 is also faster than any current AMD desktop processor, so it makes a lot of sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412710</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1268146080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, because it's so damned hard to figure out?  Spend a day or two at some nice hardware review sites and you will figure out very quickly what's good and what isn't.  Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and 3DGuru are good sites imo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , because it 's so damned hard to figure out ?
Spend a day or two at some nice hardware review sites and you will figure out very quickly what 's good and what is n't .
Anandtech , Tom 's Hardware , and 3DGuru are good sites imo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, because it's so damned hard to figure out?
Spend a day or two at some nice hardware review sites and you will figure out very quickly what's good and what isn't.
Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and 3DGuru are good sites imo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415042</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1268155500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"That's why they overpay CDW and others to handle it for them. And about half the time those guys don't know what they are talking about."
<br> <br>
You really don't need to know too much about hardware to work in corporate IT.  You don't ever deal with PC's below the system level.  You just buy assembled PCs from major manufacturers based on the hardware requirements from your software vendors.  When it breaks you ship it back for a replacement.
<br> <br>
And for what it's worth our CDW-G rep is fantastic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" That 's why they overpay CDW and others to handle it for them .
And about half the time those guys do n't know what they are talking about .
" You really do n't need to know too much about hardware to work in corporate IT .
You do n't ever deal with PC 's below the system level .
You just buy assembled PCs from major manufacturers based on the hardware requirements from your software vendors .
When it breaks you ship it back for a replacement .
And for what it 's worth our CDW-G rep is fantastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"That's why they overpay CDW and others to handle it for them.
And about half the time those guys don't know what they are talking about.
"
 
You really don't need to know too much about hardware to work in corporate IT.
You don't ever deal with PC's below the system level.
You just buy assembled PCs from major manufacturers based on the hardware requirements from your software vendors.
When it breaks you ship it back for a replacement.
And for what it's worth our CDW-G rep is fantastic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413420</id>
	<title>Re:Oblivion in HD on the TV?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268149080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too expensive, too loud and too restricted. Avoid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too expensive , too loud and too restricted .
Avoid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too expensive, too loud and too restricted.
Avoid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31417996</id>
	<title>Re:Virtualization</title>
	<author>IorDMUX</author>
	<datestamp>1268167860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This time, I purchased AMD over intel so that, next time, I still have a choice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This time , I purchased AMD over intel so that , next time , I still have a choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This time, I purchased AMD over intel so that, next time, I still have a choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412248</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1268142960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dragon Age: Origins?</p><p>2006 called and wants its game back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dragon Age : Origins ? 2006 called and wants its game back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dragon Age: Origins?2006 called and wants its game back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414844</id>
	<title>Seriously?</title>
	<author>sniperdoc</author>
	<datestamp>1268154900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I cannot believe that this post made it as a top article! What is Slashdot coming to? I mean seriously? Seriously???

Someone actually posted this ignorance on Slashdot and wasted a space for a real article?

If you don't know about the hardware, you shouldn't be building a PC. That's that. If you are that ignorant that you cannot be bothered to:
1. Keep up with the hardware
2. Understand the numbering scheme (which isn't that hard to be honest)
3. Or actually do the research

Then you shouldn't be building your own. Buy a Dell, get a warranty, and be done with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not believe that this post made it as a top article !
What is Slashdot coming to ?
I mean seriously ?
Seriously ? ? ? Someone actually posted this ignorance on Slashdot and wasted a space for a real article ?
If you do n't know about the hardware , you should n't be building a PC .
That 's that .
If you are that ignorant that you can not be bothered to : 1 .
Keep up with the hardware 2 .
Understand the numbering scheme ( which is n't that hard to be honest ) 3 .
Or actually do the research Then you should n't be building your own .
Buy a Dell , get a warranty , and be done with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot believe that this post made it as a top article!
What is Slashdot coming to?
I mean seriously?
Seriously???

Someone actually posted this ignorance on Slashdot and wasted a space for a real article?
If you don't know about the hardware, you shouldn't be building a PC.
That's that.
If you are that ignorant that you cannot be bothered to:
1.
Keep up with the hardware
2.
Understand the numbering scheme (which isn't that hard to be honest)
3.
Or actually do the research

Then you shouldn't be building your own.
Buy a Dell, get a warranty, and be done with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411738</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same here, it is absolutely awful that we let them get away with all these horrible naming schemes that show no logical order.<br>Worse still when Requirements listings for software is so incredibly vague that you have no idea what cards to even search for!</p><p>I'm just glad there are a few of those people on Wikipedia who spend the time to compile the lists of the latest cards and hardware.</p><p>This is one of the reasons that people are so befuddled with PCs, especially when it comes to gaming.<br>Most people don't have the patience (or time) to waste searching through lists, installing programs to find out what hardware they have, or even know how to go about that.<br>I can't count how many people have been pissed off because their laptops can't play Game X, then stand there in absolute confusion when some guy at a PC store is talking about graphics cards.<br>This is the level of intelligence that hardware vendors SHOULD be targeting, but they never learn, do they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here , it is absolutely awful that we let them get away with all these horrible naming schemes that show no logical order.Worse still when Requirements listings for software is so incredibly vague that you have no idea what cards to even search for ! I 'm just glad there are a few of those people on Wikipedia who spend the time to compile the lists of the latest cards and hardware.This is one of the reasons that people are so befuddled with PCs , especially when it comes to gaming.Most people do n't have the patience ( or time ) to waste searching through lists , installing programs to find out what hardware they have , or even know how to go about that.I ca n't count how many people have been pissed off because their laptops ca n't play Game X , then stand there in absolute confusion when some guy at a PC store is talking about graphics cards.This is the level of intelligence that hardware vendors SHOULD be targeting , but they never learn , do they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here, it is absolutely awful that we let them get away with all these horrible naming schemes that show no logical order.Worse still when Requirements listings for software is so incredibly vague that you have no idea what cards to even search for!I'm just glad there are a few of those people on Wikipedia who spend the time to compile the lists of the latest cards and hardware.This is one of the reasons that people are so befuddled with PCs, especially when it comes to gaming.Most people don't have the patience (or time) to waste searching through lists, installing programs to find out what hardware they have, or even know how to go about that.I can't count how many people have been pissed off because their laptops can't play Game X, then stand there in absolute confusion when some guy at a PC store is talking about graphics cards.This is the level of intelligence that hardware vendors SHOULD be targeting, but they never learn, do they?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411536</id>
	<title>Tom's Hardware</title>
	<author>nutshell42</author>
	<datestamp>1268134500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tom's Hardware offers GPU <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569-6.html" title="tomshardware.com">hierarchy</a> [tomshardware.com] charts and recommendations in their <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569.html" title="tomshardware.com">Best Graphics Cards For The Money</a> [tomshardware.com] articles.<p>
Ditto for CPUs: <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,2545.html" title="tomshardware.com">Best Gaming CPUs For The Money</a> [tomshardware.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tom 's Hardware offers GPU hierarchy [ tomshardware.com ] charts and recommendations in their Best Graphics Cards For The Money [ tomshardware.com ] articles .
Ditto for CPUs : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money [ tomshardware.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tom's Hardware offers GPU hierarchy [tomshardware.com] charts and recommendations in their Best Graphics Cards For The Money [tomshardware.com] articles.
Ditto for CPUs: Best Gaming CPUs For The Money [tomshardware.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31420518</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>joeman3429</author>
	<datestamp>1268135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is my favorite slashdot comment ever, I don't care if it's trolling and incorrect, I nearly burst out laughing in public. I wish I could mod you up</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is my favorite slashdot comment ever , I do n't care if it 's trolling and incorrect , I nearly burst out laughing in public .
I wish I could mod you up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is my favorite slashdot comment ever, I don't care if it's trolling and incorrect, I nearly burst out laughing in public.
I wish I could mod you up</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411828</id>
	<title>you meant to post this at digg.com</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1268138640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or reddit maybe... or google groups</p><p>I won't ask  you for your geek card... as I  assume you do not have one of those.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or reddit maybe... or google groupsI wo n't ask you for your geek card... as I assume you do not have one of those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or reddit maybe... or google groupsI won't ask  you for your geek card... as I  assume you do not have one of those.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412912</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Rockoon</author>
	<datestamp>1268146980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I recently did a semi-extensive study of the various quad core desktop processors available on NewEgg, leveraging the public benchmark results from PassMark to gauge their overall relative performance. I used the NewEgg prices and simply computed the number of benchmark points you get per dollar.<br>
<br>
The only Intel chips that are competitive with AMD's on this metric are the Q8300, the i5-750, and the Q8400.. in that order, with only the Q8300 ranking better than ANY of the AMD chips on this value metric.<br>
<br>
Here is the actual list I made up. Score is the PassMark score, the price is the NewEgg price, and the calculated value is score/price. Higher is thus better.
<br>
The Intel linup:<br>
<br>
Core2 Quad Q8200, score = 3255, price = $184, value = 17.69<br>
Core2 Quad Q8300, score = 3570, price = $150, value = 23.80<br>
Core2 Quad Q8400, score = 3668, price = $170, value = 21.58<br>
Core2 Quad Q9400, score = 3756, price = $190, value = 19.77<br>
Core2 Quad Q9505, score = 4016, price = $240, value = 16.73<br>
Core2 Quad Q9550, score = 4291, price = $260, value = 16.50<br>
Core2 Quad Q9650, score = 4559, price = $330, value = 13.82<br>
Core i5-750, score = 4219, price = $195, value = 21.64<br>
Core i7-860, score = 5570, price = $280, value = 19.89<br>
Core i7-870, score = 5871, price = $540, value = 10.87<br>
Core i7-920, score = 5590, price = $289, value = 19.34<br>
Core i7-950, score = 6309, price = $570, value = 11.07<br>
Core i7-960, score = 6727, price = $590, value = 11.40<br>
Core i7-975, score = 7101, price = $970, value = 7.32<br>
<br>
The AMD lineup:<br>
<br>
Phenom II x4 940 "Black", score = 3645, price = $156, value = 23.37<br>
Phenom II x4 945 "Black", score = 3500, price = $150, value = 23.33<br>
Phenom II x4 955 "Black", score = 3876, price = $160, value = 24.23<br>
Phenom II x4 965 "Black", score = 4253, price = $180, value = 23.63<br>
<br>
<br>
If you dont need the horsepower, then the Q8300 is the best at $150. The i5-750 makes a strong showing ay $195, but it is NOT a better processor for the money than AMD's Phenom II x4 965, which is both cheaper at $180 and scores better.<br>
<br>
<i>Note that these are also the "Black" edition AMD's which have unlocked multipliers, so they are also an overclockers dream if thats the route you might want to take.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently did a semi-extensive study of the various quad core desktop processors available on NewEgg , leveraging the public benchmark results from PassMark to gauge their overall relative performance .
I used the NewEgg prices and simply computed the number of benchmark points you get per dollar .
The only Intel chips that are competitive with AMD 's on this metric are the Q8300 , the i5-750 , and the Q8400.. in that order , with only the Q8300 ranking better than ANY of the AMD chips on this value metric .
Here is the actual list I made up .
Score is the PassMark score , the price is the NewEgg price , and the calculated value is score/price .
Higher is thus better .
The Intel linup : Core2 Quad Q8200 , score = 3255 , price = $ 184 , value = 17.69 Core2 Quad Q8300 , score = 3570 , price = $ 150 , value = 23.80 Core2 Quad Q8400 , score = 3668 , price = $ 170 , value = 21.58 Core2 Quad Q9400 , score = 3756 , price = $ 190 , value = 19.77 Core2 Quad Q9505 , score = 4016 , price = $ 240 , value = 16.73 Core2 Quad Q9550 , score = 4291 , price = $ 260 , value = 16.50 Core2 Quad Q9650 , score = 4559 , price = $ 330 , value = 13.82 Core i5-750 , score = 4219 , price = $ 195 , value = 21.64 Core i7-860 , score = 5570 , price = $ 280 , value = 19.89 Core i7-870 , score = 5871 , price = $ 540 , value = 10.87 Core i7-920 , score = 5590 , price = $ 289 , value = 19.34 Core i7-950 , score = 6309 , price = $ 570 , value = 11.07 Core i7-960 , score = 6727 , price = $ 590 , value = 11.40 Core i7-975 , score = 7101 , price = $ 970 , value = 7.32 The AMD lineup : Phenom II x4 940 " Black " , score = 3645 , price = $ 156 , value = 23.37 Phenom II x4 945 " Black " , score = 3500 , price = $ 150 , value = 23.33 Phenom II x4 955 " Black " , score = 3876 , price = $ 160 , value = 24.23 Phenom II x4 965 " Black " , score = 4253 , price = $ 180 , value = 23.63 If you dont need the horsepower , then the Q8300 is the best at $ 150 .
The i5-750 makes a strong showing ay $ 195 , but it is NOT a better processor for the money than AMD 's Phenom II x4 965 , which is both cheaper at $ 180 and scores better .
Note that these are also the " Black " edition AMD 's which have unlocked multipliers , so they are also an overclockers dream if thats the route you might want to take .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently did a semi-extensive study of the various quad core desktop processors available on NewEgg, leveraging the public benchmark results from PassMark to gauge their overall relative performance.
I used the NewEgg prices and simply computed the number of benchmark points you get per dollar.
The only Intel chips that are competitive with AMD's on this metric are the Q8300, the i5-750, and the Q8400.. in that order, with only the Q8300 ranking better than ANY of the AMD chips on this value metric.
Here is the actual list I made up.
Score is the PassMark score, the price is the NewEgg price, and the calculated value is score/price.
Higher is thus better.
The Intel linup:

Core2 Quad Q8200, score = 3255, price = $184, value = 17.69
Core2 Quad Q8300, score = 3570, price = $150, value = 23.80
Core2 Quad Q8400, score = 3668, price = $170, value = 21.58
Core2 Quad Q9400, score = 3756, price = $190, value = 19.77
Core2 Quad Q9505, score = 4016, price = $240, value = 16.73
Core2 Quad Q9550, score = 4291, price = $260, value = 16.50
Core2 Quad Q9650, score = 4559, price = $330, value = 13.82
Core i5-750, score = 4219, price = $195, value = 21.64
Core i7-860, score = 5570, price = $280, value = 19.89
Core i7-870, score = 5871, price = $540, value = 10.87
Core i7-920, score = 5590, price = $289, value = 19.34
Core i7-950, score = 6309, price = $570, value = 11.07
Core i7-960, score = 6727, price = $590, value = 11.40
Core i7-975, score = 7101, price = $970, value = 7.32

The AMD lineup:

Phenom II x4 940 "Black", score = 3645, price = $156, value = 23.37
Phenom II x4 945 "Black", score = 3500, price = $150, value = 23.33
Phenom II x4 955 "Black", score = 3876, price = $160, value = 24.23
Phenom II x4 965 "Black", score = 4253, price = $180, value = 23.63


If you dont need the horsepower, then the Q8300 is the best at $150.
The i5-750 makes a strong showing ay $195, but it is NOT a better processor for the money than AMD's Phenom II x4 965, which is both cheaper at $180 and scores better.
Note that these are also the "Black" edition AMD's which have unlocked multipliers, so they are also an overclockers dream if thats the route you might want to take.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415592</id>
	<title>low power quad core?</title>
	<author>B.Stolk</author>
	<datestamp>1268157420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope a fellow slashdotter can help me out with a similar problem:<br>I would like quad core, but at very low power.<br>Intel has a mobile version of Core2Quad available, that only uses 45W:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Intel\_Core\_2\_microprocessors#.22Penryn\_QC.22\_.28standard-voltage.2C\_45\_nm.29" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">penryn qc</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>What motherboard would be compatible with this?<br>I have seen "Socket P" motherboards that are advertised as "Core2Duo compatible", but they do not list this processor specifically.<br>I'm not sure if quad core mobile processor in a desktop case is actually possible, but if it is, I want to try it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope a fellow slashdotter can help me out with a similar problem : I would like quad core , but at very low power.Intel has a mobile version of Core2Quad available , that only uses 45W : penryn qc [ wikipedia.org ] What motherboard would be compatible with this ? I have seen " Socket P " motherboards that are advertised as " Core2Duo compatible " , but they do not list this processor specifically.I 'm not sure if quad core mobile processor in a desktop case is actually possible , but if it is , I want to try it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope a fellow slashdotter can help me out with a similar problem:I would like quad core, but at very low power.Intel has a mobile version of Core2Quad available, that only uses 45W:penryn qc [wikipedia.org]What motherboard would be compatible with this?I have seen "Socket P" motherboards that are advertised as "Core2Duo compatible", but they do not list this processor specifically.I'm not sure if quad core mobile processor in a desktop case is actually possible, but if it is, I want to try it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412526</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>LordLimecat</author>
	<datestamp>1268145120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you ask nicely @ 4chans<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/g/ (tech) board, you can occasionally get a really nice (though sometimes questionable) who's who of processors and graphics cards.<br> <br>

Best method Ive found is going to newegg, doing power searches for the contenders in each category (ie, ruling out atom and via cpus, setting price caps), then sorting by best reviews, and if there is a question at that point refer to benchmarks to see what their actual performance is.  Makes things way easier when you have a basic idea of what your choices are, rather than pulling out the intel cpu chart and blindly picking one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ask nicely @ 4chans /g/ ( tech ) board , you can occasionally get a really nice ( though sometimes questionable ) who 's who of processors and graphics cards .
Best method Ive found is going to newegg , doing power searches for the contenders in each category ( ie , ruling out atom and via cpus , setting price caps ) , then sorting by best reviews , and if there is a question at that point refer to benchmarks to see what their actual performance is .
Makes things way easier when you have a basic idea of what your choices are , rather than pulling out the intel cpu chart and blindly picking one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you ask nicely @ 4chans /g/ (tech) board, you can occasionally get a really nice (though sometimes questionable) who's who of processors and graphics cards.
Best method Ive found is going to newegg, doing power searches for the contenders in each category (ie, ruling out atom and via cpus, setting price caps), then sorting by best reviews, and if there is a question at that point refer to benchmarks to see what their actual performance is.
Makes things way easier when you have a basic idea of what your choices are, rather than pulling out the intel cpu chart and blindly picking one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416728</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1268162280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Buy ULTRA or Corsair (if you can't afford a ULTRA).</p><p>I had two ULTRA's blow up on me the first time they powered on. No thanks, won't be buying from them again.</p><p>I've had good experience with Thermaltake and Antec PSUs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Buy ULTRA or Corsair ( if you ca n't afford a ULTRA ) .I had two ULTRA 's blow up on me the first time they powered on .
No thanks , wo n't be buying from them again.I 've had good experience with Thermaltake and Antec PSUs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Buy ULTRA or Corsair (if you can't afford a ULTRA).I had two ULTRA's blow up on me the first time they powered on.
No thanks, won't be buying from them again.I've had good experience with Thermaltake and Antec PSUs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411996</id>
	<title>4 easy steps</title>
	<author>stiller</author>
	<datestamp>1268141040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Goto nearest Apple store.<br>2) Dump all of your savings on counter.<br>3) Take whatever they're willing to trade for it.<br>4) Go home and install your mac mini.<br>Optional: 5) Admire the packaging for a while.</p><p>On a more serious note: All the time spent on researching and building your custom god box could be spent on earning more cash for your next upgrade.<br>Whatever you do, it won't last you more than three years anyway, because you will think it's too old by then. Something to consider.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Goto nearest Apple store.2 ) Dump all of your savings on counter.3 ) Take whatever they 're willing to trade for it.4 ) Go home and install your mac mini.Optional : 5 ) Admire the packaging for a while.On a more serious note : All the time spent on researching and building your custom god box could be spent on earning more cash for your next upgrade.Whatever you do , it wo n't last you more than three years anyway , because you will think it 's too old by then .
Something to consider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Goto nearest Apple store.2) Dump all of your savings on counter.3) Take whatever they're willing to trade for it.4) Go home and install your mac mini.Optional: 5) Admire the packaging for a while.On a more serious note: All the time spent on researching and building your custom god box could be spent on earning more cash for your next upgrade.Whatever you do, it won't last you more than three years anyway, because you will think it's too old by then.
Something to consider.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411900</id>
	<title>how do you buy a computer these days?</title>
	<author>Antiocheian</author>
	<datestamp>1268139840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By informing yourself. Use search engines, find reviews, read hardware sites. The more time you invest on improving your awareness, the better your system will be for the money and the better use you'll make out of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By informing yourself .
Use search engines , find reviews , read hardware sites .
The more time you invest on improving your awareness , the better your system will be for the money and the better use you 'll make out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By informing yourself.
Use search engines, find reviews, read hardware sites.
The more time you invest on improving your awareness, the better your system will be for the money and the better use you'll make out of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413314</id>
	<title>"How do you buy a computer these days?"</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1268148720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
By price.  Buy the best CPU you can afford and don't worry about what it's called.  Multiple cores is usually better.  Faster clock speeds is usually better.  More modern processors usually give better performance at the same clock speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By price .
Buy the best CPU you can afford and do n't worry about what it 's called .
Multiple cores is usually better .
Faster clock speeds is usually better .
More modern processors usually give better performance at the same clock speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
By price.
Buy the best CPU you can afford and don't worry about what it's called.
Multiple cores is usually better.
Faster clock speeds is usually better.
More modern processors usually give better performance at the same clock speed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415072</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1268155620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A day or two if you plan on building your own computer.  If you want a good performance machine, just get an Alienware machine or a computer from one of those boutiques that focus on gaming/performance.  If you're trying to get the best bang for your buck, well tough you're going to have to build it yourself and spend a few days.</p><p>I would hardly consider Apple a great performance/price ratio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A day or two if you plan on building your own computer .
If you want a good performance machine , just get an Alienware machine or a computer from one of those boutiques that focus on gaming/performance .
If you 're trying to get the best bang for your buck , well tough you 're going to have to build it yourself and spend a few days.I would hardly consider Apple a great performance/price ratio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A day or two if you plan on building your own computer.
If you want a good performance machine, just get an Alienware machine or a computer from one of those boutiques that focus on gaming/performance.
If you're trying to get the best bang for your buck, well tough you're going to have to build it yourself and spend a few days.I would hardly consider Apple a great performance/price ratio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411924</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1268140140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can attest to this. I ran NVidia cards for years and they ran every game I threw at them, if not always perfectly. Then I switched to an ATI 48xx and I can't run literally half the games I buy. I bought Red Faction: Guerrilla and have to wait until I buy a new video card, because it simply won't work. Sure, if I wait half an hour for the intro videos to play, I might be able to smack rocks with a crowbar for about 5 seconds before it crashes without even an error message, but that's not exactly ideal.</p><p>So, ya, correlation? Causation? Who knows. <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1C1GGLS\_enUS309US309&amp;esrch=FT1&amp;q=nvidia+sucks&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=" title="google.com">NVidia sucks</a> [google.com] to <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1C1GGLS\_enUS309US309&amp;esrch=FT1&amp;q=ati+sucks&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=" title="google.com">ATI sucks</a> [google.com] is pretty even.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can attest to this .
I ran NVidia cards for years and they ran every game I threw at them , if not always perfectly .
Then I switched to an ATI 48xx and I ca n't run literally half the games I buy .
I bought Red Faction : Guerrilla and have to wait until I buy a new video card , because it simply wo n't work .
Sure , if I wait half an hour for the intro videos to play , I might be able to smack rocks with a crowbar for about 5 seconds before it crashes without even an error message , but that 's not exactly ideal.So , ya , correlation ?
Causation ? Who knows .
NVidia sucks [ google.com ] to ATI sucks [ google.com ] is pretty even .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can attest to this.
I ran NVidia cards for years and they ran every game I threw at them, if not always perfectly.
Then I switched to an ATI 48xx and I can't run literally half the games I buy.
I bought Red Faction: Guerrilla and have to wait until I buy a new video card, because it simply won't work.
Sure, if I wait half an hour for the intro videos to play, I might be able to smack rocks with a crowbar for about 5 seconds before it crashes without even an error message, but that's not exactly ideal.So, ya, correlation?
Causation? Who knows.
NVidia sucks [google.com] to ATI sucks [google.com] is pretty even.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413832</id>
	<title>lazy ----</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268151000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not very hard to look up enough information about all the CPU/GPU models, motherboards and other components, or manufacturer's if you are TRULY lazy.  You have ZERO excuse to whinge about this given the VAST number of hardware sites and reviews available today.  It should take you at MOST an hour to pin down the basics of what you want/need within your budget.  If you go with the pre-builts it MAY take a bit longer and you MAY have to settle on a review of a higher or lower model that SHOULD still be SIMILAR to the one that you're looking at.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. how the ---- did a whiney story like this make the front page?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not very hard to look up enough information about all the CPU/GPU models , motherboards and other components , or manufacturer 's if you are TRULY lazy .
You have ZERO excuse to whinge about this given the VAST number of hardware sites and reviews available today .
It should take you at MOST an hour to pin down the basics of what you want/need within your budget .
If you go with the pre-builts it MAY take a bit longer and you MAY have to settle on a review of a higher or lower model that SHOULD still be SIMILAR to the one that you 're looking at .
/. how the ---- did a whiney story like this make the front page ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not very hard to look up enough information about all the CPU/GPU models, motherboards and other components, or manufacturer's if you are TRULY lazy.
You have ZERO excuse to whinge about this given the VAST number of hardware sites and reviews available today.
It should take you at MOST an hour to pin down the basics of what you want/need within your budget.
If you go with the pre-builts it MAY take a bit longer and you MAY have to settle on a review of a higher or lower model that SHOULD still be SIMILAR to the one that you're looking at.
/. how the ---- did a whiney story like this make the front page?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415726</id>
	<title>Re:Think about the motherboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>AMD capable motherboards tend to be a lot cheaper, that can easily save you enough money on a highly capable gaming system to replace the HD with an SSD, and that will have far more influence on game performance then the Intel chip will. In gaming, AMD performs a lot better. Always make sure to read the entire review of a CPU for the stats that are relevant to you. For instance, if you once in a blue moon use Office and never use a database on your PC, what do you care about how fast/slow your CPU is at them?</p></div><p>Huh what? SSDs won't change your game performance at all. You'll take 10 seconds less to load, but you'll still lag running around the game world. The Intel chip, however, will give you higher FPS (which is what matters in games), indeed at a slightly higher price.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AMD capable motherboards tend to be a lot cheaper , that can easily save you enough money on a highly capable gaming system to replace the HD with an SSD , and that will have far more influence on game performance then the Intel chip will .
In gaming , AMD performs a lot better .
Always make sure to read the entire review of a CPU for the stats that are relevant to you .
For instance , if you once in a blue moon use Office and never use a database on your PC , what do you care about how fast/slow your CPU is at them ? Huh what ?
SSDs wo n't change your game performance at all .
You 'll take 10 seconds less to load , but you 'll still lag running around the game world .
The Intel chip , however , will give you higher FPS ( which is what matters in games ) , indeed at a slightly higher price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AMD capable motherboards tend to be a lot cheaper, that can easily save you enough money on a highly capable gaming system to replace the HD with an SSD, and that will have far more influence on game performance then the Intel chip will.
In gaming, AMD performs a lot better.
Always make sure to read the entire review of a CPU for the stats that are relevant to you.
For instance, if you once in a blue moon use Office and never use a database on your PC, what do you care about how fast/slow your CPU is at them?Huh what?
SSDs won't change your game performance at all.
You'll take 10 seconds less to load, but you'll still lag running around the game world.
The Intel chip, however, will give you higher FPS (which is what matters in games), indeed at a slightly higher price.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31417378</id>
	<title>On another note</title>
	<author>lumenistan</author>
	<datestamp>1268165100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like many of you, I haven't built a box in a while because what I have now still works fine and my needs haven't grown enough to deal with the hassle of getting current with the newest tech.  While reading this discussion I happened to revisit Pricewatch, just to see what their offerings look like and see how much stuff costs and so forth.  This led to this very uh... interesting discovery.  When the hell did
<a href="http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/intimate\_apparel/bustier" title="pricewatch.com" rel="nofollow">THIS</a> [pricewatch.com] happen?
<p>
I believe this adds a whole new dimension to the compatibility and benchmark question...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like many of you , I have n't built a box in a while because what I have now still works fine and my needs have n't grown enough to deal with the hassle of getting current with the newest tech .
While reading this discussion I happened to revisit Pricewatch , just to see what their offerings look like and see how much stuff costs and so forth .
This led to this very uh... interesting discovery .
When the hell did THIS [ pricewatch.com ] happen ?
I believe this adds a whole new dimension to the compatibility and benchmark question.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like many of you, I haven't built a box in a while because what I have now still works fine and my needs haven't grown enough to deal with the hassle of getting current with the newest tech.
While reading this discussion I happened to revisit Pricewatch, just to see what their offerings look like and see how much stuff costs and so forth.
This led to this very uh... interesting discovery.
When the hell did
THIS [pricewatch.com] happen?
I believe this adds a whole new dimension to the compatibility and benchmark question...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411464</id>
	<title>It has got silly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only the "IT" nerds who weren't clever enough to understand computer science and instead invested all of their energy into the learning and buying of computer hardware know what any of these things are, and god forbid having to ask any of those DICKS a question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only the " IT " nerds who were n't clever enough to understand computer science and instead invested all of their energy into the learning and buying of computer hardware know what any of these things are , and god forbid having to ask any of those DICKS a question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only the "IT" nerds who weren't clever enough to understand computer science and instead invested all of their energy into the learning and buying of computer hardware know what any of these things are, and god forbid having to ask any of those DICKS a question.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413320</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1268148720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good point.  I just got a quad core Phenom II last month. The approximately equivalent Intel processor was as much as the Phenom &amp; the motherboard I bought combined.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good point .
I just got a quad core Phenom II last month .
The approximately equivalent Intel processor was as much as the Phenom &amp; the motherboard I bought combined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good point.
I just got a quad core Phenom II last month.
The approximately equivalent Intel processor was as much as the Phenom &amp; the motherboard I bought combined.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415240</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>lymond01</author>
	<datestamp>1268156160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a 4 year old gaming machine that ran Half-Life 2 at the highest graphics, Doom 3 maxed out, even had no problem with FEAR at almost max settings -- Athlon 3700+ and a GeForce 6800GS were the stars of the show.  You'd think it would run an RPG like Dragon Age just fine, but it can't.  I play on medium settings and during busy fights I've had to 3 times now turn graphics to low to make it playable.  DA has a lot of particle effects and a lot of detailed textures.  Playing it maxed out is probably beautiful, but it's way beyond my system to do that.</p><p>My next rig has the Core I5 and a splurge on the nVidia GX260.  Right now the rig is about $800 to the door from NewEgg with Corsair PSU and 6 GB of memory.  Still, err, saving up honestly.  Too many trips last year<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a 4 year old gaming machine that ran Half-Life 2 at the highest graphics , Doom 3 maxed out , even had no problem with FEAR at almost max settings -- Athlon 3700 + and a GeForce 6800GS were the stars of the show .
You 'd think it would run an RPG like Dragon Age just fine , but it ca n't .
I play on medium settings and during busy fights I 've had to 3 times now turn graphics to low to make it playable .
DA has a lot of particle effects and a lot of detailed textures .
Playing it maxed out is probably beautiful , but it 's way beyond my system to do that.My next rig has the Core I5 and a splurge on the nVidia GX260 .
Right now the rig is about $ 800 to the door from NewEgg with Corsair PSU and 6 GB of memory .
Still , err , saving up honestly .
Too many trips last year : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a 4 year old gaming machine that ran Half-Life 2 at the highest graphics, Doom 3 maxed out, even had no problem with FEAR at almost max settings -- Athlon 3700+ and a GeForce 6800GS were the stars of the show.
You'd think it would run an RPG like Dragon Age just fine, but it can't.
I play on medium settings and during busy fights I've had to 3 times now turn graphics to low to make it playable.
DA has a lot of particle effects and a lot of detailed textures.
Playing it maxed out is probably beautiful, but it's way beyond my system to do that.My next rig has the Core I5 and a splurge on the nVidia GX260.
Right now the rig is about $800 to the door from NewEgg with Corsair PSU and 6 GB of memory.
Still, err, saving up honestly.
Too many trips last year :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413750</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268150640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You make me sick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make me sick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make me sick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411868</id>
	<title>How do I make sense of it? NOT AT ALL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268139060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because there is  no sense.</p><p>There is no sense within the lines of different manufacturers CPU/GPU or within different lines of the same manufacturer CPU/GPU.</p><p>There are different versions from the same reference layout from different vendors, there are different versions of the same model (memory, clock speed), there are different steppings out there at once.</p><p>I don't make sense of it because there is none. I'm following the development so I know what is going on and when it's time to buy something, I do a thorough catchup-session with reviews of all kinds.</p><p>All in all you can sum it up: chaos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because there is no sense.There is no sense within the lines of different manufacturers CPU/GPU or within different lines of the same manufacturer CPU/GPU.There are different versions from the same reference layout from different vendors , there are different versions of the same model ( memory , clock speed ) , there are different steppings out there at once.I do n't make sense of it because there is none .
I 'm following the development so I know what is going on and when it 's time to buy something , I do a thorough catchup-session with reviews of all kinds.All in all you can sum it up : chaos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because there is  no sense.There is no sense within the lines of different manufacturers CPU/GPU or within different lines of the same manufacturer CPU/GPU.There are different versions from the same reference layout from different vendors, there are different versions of the same model (memory, clock speed), there are different steppings out there at once.I don't make sense of it because there is none.
I'm following the development so I know what is going on and when it's time to buy something, I do a thorough catchup-session with reviews of all kinds.All in all you can sum it up: chaos.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416640</id>
	<title>"Tongue in cheek" mode on :)</title>
	<author>holiggan</author>
	<datestamp>1268161860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the industry should start giving random names to their products.</p><p>That way, we shouldn't be mislead by products with numbers in their names.</p><p>So, I'm off to get my Intel WLQKIE, and a Nvidia MSNDFS. They are way better than the AMD PLYORM and the Ati BFGVYR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the industry should start giving random names to their products.That way , we should n't be mislead by products with numbers in their names.So , I 'm off to get my Intel WLQKIE , and a Nvidia MSNDFS .
They are way better than the AMD PLYORM and the Ati BFGVYR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the industry should start giving random names to their products.That way, we shouldn't be mislead by products with numbers in their names.So, I'm off to get my Intel WLQKIE, and a Nvidia MSNDFS.
They are way better than the AMD PLYORM and the Ati BFGVYR.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411762</id>
	<title>AMD's don't confuse</title>
	<author>Datamonstar</author>
	<datestamp>1268137500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't have this problem with recent AMD processors, but I certainly do with Intel's. With Athlons it basically comes down to Athlons in 2 and 4 core variety, upper end is Phenoms with 2, 3 or 4 cores the Black edition of those which are supposedly for better overclocking, Opterons for sever and workstation, Semprons for budget computing. there's different dies and configurations But Intels, I can't even begin to name. I guess there's Celeron Pentium and Core. All of those have vastly different configurations, but b with Core it got really confusing cause they went from core2 to I7 and then I5 and now I3. WTF, Intel? Can you make this easier, please? This is a large part of the reason I completely over look your processors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have this problem with recent AMD processors , but I certainly do with Intel 's .
With Athlons it basically comes down to Athlons in 2 and 4 core variety , upper end is Phenoms with 2 , 3 or 4 cores the Black edition of those which are supposedly for better overclocking , Opterons for sever and workstation , Semprons for budget computing .
there 's different dies and configurations But Intels , I ca n't even begin to name .
I guess there 's Celeron Pentium and Core .
All of those have vastly different configurations , but b with Core it got really confusing cause they went from core2 to I7 and then I5 and now I3 .
WTF , Intel ?
Can you make this easier , please ?
This is a large part of the reason I completely over look your processors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have this problem with recent AMD processors, but I certainly do with Intel's.
With Athlons it basically comes down to Athlons in 2 and 4 core variety, upper end is Phenoms with 2, 3 or 4 cores the Black edition of those which are supposedly for better overclocking, Opterons for sever and workstation, Semprons for budget computing.
there's different dies and configurations But Intels, I can't even begin to name.
I guess there's Celeron Pentium and Core.
All of those have vastly different configurations, but b with Core it got really confusing cause they went from core2 to I7 and then I5 and now I3.
WTF, Intel?
Can you make this easier, please?
This is a large part of the reason I completely over look your processors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411854</id>
	<title>Yesterday</title>
	<author>vikingpower</author>
	<datestamp>1268138880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buying computers is soooooo 2009 !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buying computers is soooooo 2009 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buying computers is soooooo 2009 !</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413368</id>
	<title>Re:typical freetard response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268148900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typical freetard response.  He didn't ask you for a snarky, uninformed referral for game consoles.  The man asked for advice dealing with a gaming PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical freetard response .
He did n't ask you for a snarky , uninformed referral for game consoles .
The man asked for advice dealing with a gaming PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical freetard response.
He didn't ask you for a snarky, uninformed referral for game consoles.
The man asked for advice dealing with a gaming PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412020</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268141280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would recommend looking at your requirements and then maybe buying a Mac if appropriate.</p><p>If you want to play games (which the OP does) then Windows is currently the way to go.<br>If you want to do programming/development (excluding for the iPhone/iPod) or if you like getting under the hood and tweaking things then Windows/Linux is the way to go.<br>If you want to do pro audio/video/graphics or if you want a computer that you don't need to look under the hood, then Mac is probably the way to go.</p><p>Yeah, Macs are 'dumbed down' as far as the OS goes and they're not the cheapest machines available but for some people they are perfect. A flat out recommendation to ignore them is not good advice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would recommend looking at your requirements and then maybe buying a Mac if appropriate.If you want to play games ( which the OP does ) then Windows is currently the way to go.If you want to do programming/development ( excluding for the iPhone/iPod ) or if you like getting under the hood and tweaking things then Windows/Linux is the way to go.If you want to do pro audio/video/graphics or if you want a computer that you do n't need to look under the hood , then Mac is probably the way to go.Yeah , Macs are 'dumbed down ' as far as the OS goes and they 're not the cheapest machines available but for some people they are perfect .
A flat out recommendation to ignore them is not good advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would recommend looking at your requirements and then maybe buying a Mac if appropriate.If you want to play games (which the OP does) then Windows is currently the way to go.If you want to do programming/development (excluding for the iPhone/iPod) or if you like getting under the hood and tweaking things then Windows/Linux is the way to go.If you want to do pro audio/video/graphics or if you want a computer that you don't need to look under the hood, then Mac is probably the way to go.Yeah, Macs are 'dumbed down' as far as the OS goes and they're not the cheapest machines available but for some people they are perfect.
A flat out recommendation to ignore them is not good advice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31420714</id>
	<title>Easy!</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1268136480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In short, how do you buy a computer these days?</p></div><p>Easy!</p><p>I walk into the Apple store and wave my credit card around, then I walk out with a nice shiny new computer!</p><p>Jokes aside, unless you're trying to build a super-computer, just get a laptop.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In short , how do you buy a computer these days ? Easy ! I walk into the Apple store and wave my credit card around , then I walk out with a nice shiny new computer ! Jokes aside , unless you 're trying to build a super-computer , just get a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In short, how do you buy a computer these days?Easy!I walk into the Apple store and wave my credit card around, then I walk out with a nice shiny new computer!Jokes aside, unless you're trying to build a super-computer, just get a laptop.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415838</id>
	<title>Decide what you want to spend on each piece FIRST</title>
	<author>pnuema</author>
	<datestamp>1268158500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a gamer, so I always build my own systems. For gaming PCs, it is always cheaper to roll your own. However, you don't appear to want to do any serious gaming - Oblivion is fairly old (in the gaming PC world). You may be better off buying a Dell, and adding a video card with an HDMI out.<p>
However, if you chose to build your own system, there is really only one way to do it: <b>decide what you want to spend, and then buy the best components for the price</b>. This takes all the guess work out of it. For a system like yours, you want to place a premium on CPU and GPU. I'd recommend the Intel Core i5 750 (the difference between the i5 and i7 is the i7 has hyper-threading, the i5 doesn't - but how many apps do you know of that can take advantage of 8 cores?). For GPUs, this chart is invaluable: <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569-6.html" title="tomshardware.com">Tom's Hardware Graphic Card Hierarchy Chart</a> [tomshardware.com]. Since NVIDIA just announced its latest line of cards, the 295 should drop in price relatively soon. From my experience, the GPU should be the most expensive component on your PC. I try to hit the $300 price point. At that price, you will be able to play all the new games at their high settings for at least 2 years, and your system will still be serviceable in 4.</p><p>
The rest of your components are kind of extraneous. As a general rule, go for more, slower RAM (4 gigs of slower RAM will give you much better performance than 2 of the best). Your mobo will be tied to your CPU, so you won't have a ton of choice there. Avoid boards that cost less than $100 - they are unreliable. Avoid high RPM HDs - they are almost never worth the extra cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a gamer , so I always build my own systems .
For gaming PCs , it is always cheaper to roll your own .
However , you do n't appear to want to do any serious gaming - Oblivion is fairly old ( in the gaming PC world ) .
You may be better off buying a Dell , and adding a video card with an HDMI out .
However , if you chose to build your own system , there is really only one way to do it : decide what you want to spend , and then buy the best components for the price .
This takes all the guess work out of it .
For a system like yours , you want to place a premium on CPU and GPU .
I 'd recommend the Intel Core i5 750 ( the difference between the i5 and i7 is the i7 has hyper-threading , the i5 does n't - but how many apps do you know of that can take advantage of 8 cores ? ) .
For GPUs , this chart is invaluable : Tom 's Hardware Graphic Card Hierarchy Chart [ tomshardware.com ] .
Since NVIDIA just announced its latest line of cards , the 295 should drop in price relatively soon .
From my experience , the GPU should be the most expensive component on your PC .
I try to hit the $ 300 price point .
At that price , you will be able to play all the new games at their high settings for at least 2 years , and your system will still be serviceable in 4 .
The rest of your components are kind of extraneous .
As a general rule , go for more , slower RAM ( 4 gigs of slower RAM will give you much better performance than 2 of the best ) .
Your mobo will be tied to your CPU , so you wo n't have a ton of choice there .
Avoid boards that cost less than $ 100 - they are unreliable .
Avoid high RPM HDs - they are almost never worth the extra cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a gamer, so I always build my own systems.
For gaming PCs, it is always cheaper to roll your own.
However, you don't appear to want to do any serious gaming - Oblivion is fairly old (in the gaming PC world).
You may be better off buying a Dell, and adding a video card with an HDMI out.
However, if you chose to build your own system, there is really only one way to do it: decide what you want to spend, and then buy the best components for the price.
This takes all the guess work out of it.
For a system like yours, you want to place a premium on CPU and GPU.
I'd recommend the Intel Core i5 750 (the difference between the i5 and i7 is the i7 has hyper-threading, the i5 doesn't - but how many apps do you know of that can take advantage of 8 cores?).
For GPUs, this chart is invaluable: Tom's Hardware Graphic Card Hierarchy Chart [tomshardware.com].
Since NVIDIA just announced its latest line of cards, the 295 should drop in price relatively soon.
From my experience, the GPU should be the most expensive component on your PC.
I try to hit the $300 price point.
At that price, you will be able to play all the new games at their high settings for at least 2 years, and your system will still be serviceable in 4.
The rest of your components are kind of extraneous.
As a general rule, go for more, slower RAM (4 gigs of slower RAM will give you much better performance than 2 of the best).
Your mobo will be tied to your CPU, so you won't have a ton of choice there.
Avoid boards that cost less than $100 - they are unreliable.
Avoid high RPM HDs - they are almost never worth the extra cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411600</id>
	<title>Your geek-card...</title>
	<author>Apotekaren</author>
	<datestamp>1268135280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...hand it in, please. Come on now, don't fight it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...hand it in , please .
Come on now , do n't fight it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...hand it in, please.
Come on now, don't fight it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412648</id>
	<title>Re:Just buy a complete machine</title>
	<author>anss123</author>
	<datestamp>1268145720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Antec Solo case (Antec makes the quietest cases, but stay away from their power supplies)</p></div><p>Also stay away from their fans. That case is fitted with a "Tricool" fan. Called "tricool" because it got three settings: Hairdryer, Vacuum-cleaner and Wind-tunnel. <br> <br>Got three of those fans back in 2007 but they were all noisier than running an AMD XP with stock cooler and one of those cheap PSUs.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Antec Solo case ( Antec makes the quietest cases , but stay away from their power supplies ) Also stay away from their fans .
That case is fitted with a " Tricool " fan .
Called " tricool " because it got three settings : Hairdryer , Vacuum-cleaner and Wind-tunnel .
Got three of those fans back in 2007 but they were all noisier than running an AMD XP with stock cooler and one of those cheap PSUs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Antec Solo case (Antec makes the quietest cases, but stay away from their power supplies)Also stay away from their fans.
That case is fitted with a "Tricool" fan.
Called "tricool" because it got three settings: Hairdryer, Vacuum-cleaner and Wind-tunnel.
Got three of those fans back in 2007 but they were all noisier than running an AMD XP with stock cooler and one of those cheap PSUs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414676</id>
	<title>Simple answer: I don't.</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1268154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The simple answer is "I don't". Not anymore: both Intel (and specifically Intel) and AMD have put significant effort into obscuring CPU capabilities. Additionally, there's no longer any point in doing the same things we did when things were MHz/price or  Intel's MHz-equiv/price (if you bought AMD).</p><p>These days, there are basically three things to do (in decreasing price and increasing effort):</p><p>1) Lazy/pricey way: just buy some of the more expensive shit from NewEgg or Dell. It'll play your games.<br>2) "About $100" way: each major component of the system (hdd, cpu, ram, etc.) should be about $100. Just pick something, it'll play the games. Maybe throw slightly more at the video card.<br>3) Take a look at performance reviews on Anand or similar sites and compare the performance benchmarks to their price. Get whatever has the best bang/buck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The simple answer is " I do n't " .
Not anymore : both Intel ( and specifically Intel ) and AMD have put significant effort into obscuring CPU capabilities .
Additionally , there 's no longer any point in doing the same things we did when things were MHz/price or Intel 's MHz-equiv/price ( if you bought AMD ) .These days , there are basically three things to do ( in decreasing price and increasing effort ) : 1 ) Lazy/pricey way : just buy some of the more expensive shit from NewEgg or Dell .
It 'll play your games.2 ) " About $ 100 " way : each major component of the system ( hdd , cpu , ram , etc .
) should be about $ 100 .
Just pick something , it 'll play the games .
Maybe throw slightly more at the video card.3 ) Take a look at performance reviews on Anand or similar sites and compare the performance benchmarks to their price .
Get whatever has the best bang/buck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The simple answer is "I don't".
Not anymore: both Intel (and specifically Intel) and AMD have put significant effort into obscuring CPU capabilities.
Additionally, there's no longer any point in doing the same things we did when things were MHz/price or  Intel's MHz-equiv/price (if you bought AMD).These days, there are basically three things to do (in decreasing price and increasing effort):1) Lazy/pricey way: just buy some of the more expensive shit from NewEgg or Dell.
It'll play your games.2) "About $100" way: each major component of the system (hdd, cpu, ram, etc.
) should be about $100.
Just pick something, it'll play the games.
Maybe throw slightly more at the video card.3) Take a look at performance reviews on Anand or similar sites and compare the performance benchmarks to their price.
Get whatever has the best bang/buck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412508</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1268145060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but the 920 uses a socket type that will be future compatible with Intel's next set of chips.</p></div><p>I used to argue along those lines too, but nowadays sockets are upgraded as quickly as processors and by the time you want to upgrade your computer, whatever socket you had is no longer compatible with whatever CPU you might want at that time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but the 920 uses a socket type that will be future compatible with Intel 's next set of chips.I used to argue along those lines too , but nowadays sockets are upgraded as quickly as processors and by the time you want to upgrade your computer , whatever socket you had is no longer compatible with whatever CPU you might want at that time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but the 920 uses a socket type that will be future compatible with Intel's next set of chips.I used to argue along those lines too, but nowadays sockets are upgraded as quickly as processors and by the time you want to upgrade your computer, whatever socket you had is no longer compatible with whatever CPU you might want at that time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412906</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>Kamokazi</author>
	<datestamp>1268146980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was actually quite good with C++, I just found it considerably more boring than I thought it would be (In retrospect, I'm sure the classroom environment didn't help and I should have looked into tinkering with OSS projects). And I had a passion for hardware way before that.</p><p>Furthermore, from working in corporate IT, most people don't understand hardware that well either.  That's why they overpay CDW and others to handle it for them.  And about half the time those guys don't know what they are talking about.</p><p>To answer the poster...any Phenom II or Core 2 CPU avaiable plus a video card where the second number is a 6 or higher (x6xx) available on Newegg will do the trick for Oblivion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was actually quite good with C + + , I just found it considerably more boring than I thought it would be ( In retrospect , I 'm sure the classroom environment did n't help and I should have looked into tinkering with OSS projects ) .
And I had a passion for hardware way before that.Furthermore , from working in corporate IT , most people do n't understand hardware that well either .
That 's why they overpay CDW and others to handle it for them .
And about half the time those guys do n't know what they are talking about.To answer the poster...any Phenom II or Core 2 CPU avaiable plus a video card where the second number is a 6 or higher ( x6xx ) available on Newegg will do the trick for Oblivion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was actually quite good with C++, I just found it considerably more boring than I thought it would be (In retrospect, I'm sure the classroom environment didn't help and I should have looked into tinkering with OSS projects).
And I had a passion for hardware way before that.Furthermore, from working in corporate IT, most people don't understand hardware that well either.
That's why they overpay CDW and others to handle it for them.
And about half the time those guys don't know what they are talking about.To answer the poster...any Phenom II or Core 2 CPU avaiable plus a video card where the second number is a 6 or higher (x6xx) available on Newegg will do the trick for Oblivion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414446</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>IMightB</author>
	<datestamp>1268153400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah no kidding, I come from the computer stone age as well.   I was 8 when I got my TI-994A, got the first IBM AT, built a i386 clone with my dad (An EE).  Saved up at my first job and purchased for $2,500 a screaming i486DX50 with 16MB of RAM and a 400MB hard drive!  It was my freshman year in college when the first 1GB drives came out.</p><p>It gives me chub that I can build a 64b, VT, multicore procs, GB's of RAM and 1TB hard drives for less than that 486 proc cost me.  Kids are spoiled these days.</p><p>I stuck my head back into to the upgrade hardware stream and for me the right thing was a decent MB with no fans(Heat pipes), an integrated ATI GPU, an AMD triple core proc, 4GB's of RAM and a 1TB HD.  Also, it needed to have at least 3 PCI slots for the PVR cards that I have.  More than 2 PCI slots is becoming rare.</p><p>My point was that it took me much longer than it should have, to have to update myself on what tech was current.   What parts work together.   What parts fit in the slots, but didn't work to well together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah no kidding , I come from the computer stone age as well .
I was 8 when I got my TI-994A , got the first IBM AT , built a i386 clone with my dad ( An EE ) .
Saved up at my first job and purchased for $ 2,500 a screaming i486DX50 with 16MB of RAM and a 400MB hard drive !
It was my freshman year in college when the first 1GB drives came out.It gives me chub that I can build a 64b , VT , multicore procs , GB 's of RAM and 1TB hard drives for less than that 486 proc cost me .
Kids are spoiled these days.I stuck my head back into to the upgrade hardware stream and for me the right thing was a decent MB with no fans ( Heat pipes ) , an integrated ATI GPU , an AMD triple core proc , 4GB 's of RAM and a 1TB HD .
Also , it needed to have at least 3 PCI slots for the PVR cards that I have .
More than 2 PCI slots is becoming rare.My point was that it took me much longer than it should have , to have to update myself on what tech was current .
What parts work together .
What parts fit in the slots , but did n't work to well together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah no kidding, I come from the computer stone age as well.
I was 8 when I got my TI-994A, got the first IBM AT, built a i386 clone with my dad (An EE).
Saved up at my first job and purchased for $2,500 a screaming i486DX50 with 16MB of RAM and a 400MB hard drive!
It was my freshman year in college when the first 1GB drives came out.It gives me chub that I can build a 64b, VT, multicore procs, GB's of RAM and 1TB hard drives for less than that 486 proc cost me.
Kids are spoiled these days.I stuck my head back into to the upgrade hardware stream and for me the right thing was a decent MB with no fans(Heat pipes), an integrated ATI GPU, an AMD triple core proc, 4GB's of RAM and a 1TB HD.
Also, it needed to have at least 3 PCI slots for the PVR cards that I have.
More than 2 PCI slots is becoming rare.My point was that it took me much longer than it should have, to have to update myself on what tech was current.
What parts work together.
What parts fit in the slots, but didn't work to well together.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31422492</id>
	<title>Re:Just buy a complete machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268150760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Antec Solo case (Antec makes the quietest cases, but stay away from their power supplies)</p></div></blockquote><p>I'll second that on the Antec cases, but what's wrong with their power supplies? I haven't had any problems with mine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Antec Solo case ( Antec makes the quietest cases , but stay away from their power supplies ) I 'll second that on the Antec cases , but what 's wrong with their power supplies ?
I have n't had any problems with mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Antec Solo case (Antec makes the quietest cases, but stay away from their power supplies)I'll second that on the Antec cases, but what's wrong with their power supplies?
I haven't had any problems with mine.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413804</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268150880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen way too many serious programmers switch to Macs, so it would only be fair to say that if you want to do programming/development (including for the iPhone and iPod), AND you like getting under the hood and tweaking things, then Mac could also be the way to go. You do realise there's a full blown and certified Unix under that hood, plus macports and fink for your enjoyment?</p><p>Macs may not come cheap (superficially speaking), but my MBPro is over two years old and its hardware is still better than most new laptops that Wintel shops sell. A friend has a 8 year old Powerbook that may not have teh snappy to run Office 2008, but it still works acceptably and reliably. Some of my co-students are on their third cheap Win laptop in as many years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen way too many serious programmers switch to Macs , so it would only be fair to say that if you want to do programming/development ( including for the iPhone and iPod ) , AND you like getting under the hood and tweaking things , then Mac could also be the way to go .
You do realise there 's a full blown and certified Unix under that hood , plus macports and fink for your enjoyment ? Macs may not come cheap ( superficially speaking ) , but my MBPro is over two years old and its hardware is still better than most new laptops that Wintel shops sell .
A friend has a 8 year old Powerbook that may not have teh snappy to run Office 2008 , but it still works acceptably and reliably .
Some of my co-students are on their third cheap Win laptop in as many years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen way too many serious programmers switch to Macs, so it would only be fair to say that if you want to do programming/development (including for the iPhone and iPod), AND you like getting under the hood and tweaking things, then Mac could also be the way to go.
You do realise there's a full blown and certified Unix under that hood, plus macports and fink for your enjoyment?Macs may not come cheap (superficially speaking), but my MBPro is over two years old and its hardware is still better than most new laptops that Wintel shops sell.
A friend has a 8 year old Powerbook that may not have teh snappy to run Office 2008, but it still works acceptably and reliably.
Some of my co-students are on their third cheap Win laptop in as many years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411490</id>
	<title>It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>JordanL</author>
	<datestamp>1268134080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Especially since the series numbers don't track perfectly with performance.<br> <br>

For instance the Core i7-870 has better performance than the Core i7-920, but the 920 uses a socket type that will be future compatible with Intel's next set of chips.<br> <br>

As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790. It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.<br> <br>

Also, don't forget: Lynnfield core Intel's are dual-channel for RAM and Bloomfields are tri-channel.<br> <br>

At the moment, because of pricepoint and such, there's no reason to get any AMD proc. A Core i5-750 is better processor for the money than any AMD proc, and if you need the extra performance of a high end AMD, a Core i7-860 is pretty much the best value proc on the market today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially since the series numbers do n't track perfectly with performance .
For instance the Core i7-870 has better performance than the Core i7-920 , but the 920 uses a socket type that will be future compatible with Intel 's next set of chips .
As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790 .
It 's about 90 \ % of the 5850 for $ 200 .
Also , do n't forget : Lynnfield core Intel 's are dual-channel for RAM and Bloomfields are tri-channel .
At the moment , because of pricepoint and such , there 's no reason to get any AMD proc .
A Core i5-750 is better processor for the money than any AMD proc , and if you need the extra performance of a high end AMD , a Core i7-860 is pretty much the best value proc on the market today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially since the series numbers don't track perfectly with performance.
For instance the Core i7-870 has better performance than the Core i7-920, but the 920 uses a socket type that will be future compatible with Intel's next set of chips.
As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790.
It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.
Also, don't forget: Lynnfield core Intel's are dual-channel for RAM and Bloomfields are tri-channel.
At the moment, because of pricepoint and such, there's no reason to get any AMD proc.
A Core i5-750 is better processor for the money than any AMD proc, and if you need the extra performance of a high end AMD, a Core i7-860 is pretty much the best value proc on the market today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413546</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268149680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but I call bullshit on that. I saw a huge test with many games, compression software, etc.<br>And in the graphic showing the average performance, AMD chips always were cheaper than Intel ones.<br>In fact your comment is the complete opposite of what I saw there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but I call bullshit on that .
I saw a huge test with many games , compression software , etc.And in the graphic showing the average performance , AMD chips always were cheaper than Intel ones.In fact your comment is the complete opposite of what I saw there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but I call bullshit on that.
I saw a huge test with many games, compression software, etc.And in the graphic showing the average performance, AMD chips always were cheaper than Intel ones.In fact your comment is the complete opposite of what I saw there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411648</id>
	<title>Hardware virtualization</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make sure that the CPU you buy supports <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86\_virtualization" title="wikipedia.org">hardware virtualization</a> [wikipedia.org], for running virtual machines. Every computer enthusiast should want to run virtual machines!</p><p>I think all current AMD CPUs support hardware virtualization. But Intel in their infinite market segmentation wisdom has decided to randomly disable hardware virtualization on various CPUs in their lineup, so look before you buy. The funny thing is that very few computer salesmen know for which CPUs hardware virtualization is enabled, so the only result of Intel's market segmentation is confusion and dissatisfied customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure that the CPU you buy supports hardware virtualization [ wikipedia.org ] , for running virtual machines .
Every computer enthusiast should want to run virtual machines ! I think all current AMD CPUs support hardware virtualization .
But Intel in their infinite market segmentation wisdom has decided to randomly disable hardware virtualization on various CPUs in their lineup , so look before you buy .
The funny thing is that very few computer salesmen know for which CPUs hardware virtualization is enabled , so the only result of Intel 's market segmentation is confusion and dissatisfied customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure that the CPU you buy supports hardware virtualization [wikipedia.org], for running virtual machines.
Every computer enthusiast should want to run virtual machines!I think all current AMD CPUs support hardware virtualization.
But Intel in their infinite market segmentation wisdom has decided to randomly disable hardware virtualization on various CPUs in their lineup, so look before you buy.
The funny thing is that very few computer salesmen know for which CPUs hardware virtualization is enabled, so the only result of Intel's market segmentation is confusion and dissatisfied customers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411794</id>
	<title>Generally Speaking</title>
	<author>l0stmage</author>
	<datestamp>1268138100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are generally two choices after setting your budget:

The easy way: Ask some knowledgeable people.  But be prepared to spend some time sorting out opinion and fact.
Your end result:  Depending on how knowledgeable your sources, you will usually wind up with a PC that generally suits your purposes, but may not be what YOU want.

The harder way: Ask around, and then back up your findings with research.  Sometimes a bad end-user experience doesn't mean a bad product.  Once you've researched, made your decisions, and marked your budget then you can begin the process of building.
Your end result:  Barring any manufacturer or installation errors you will usually wind up with a PC that does what you want and will live up to your expectations.

I've tried both ways and that was my experience, and has been the experience of most people that I talk to.  Just remember to build your computer to what you need.  If you don't need the big flashy CPU, or the water cooling system, or the high-end GPUs then don't get them...Although I must say I was sold after seeing the pretty lights inside my case!


'the burden of proof is yours to carry'</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are generally two choices after setting your budget : The easy way : Ask some knowledgeable people .
But be prepared to spend some time sorting out opinion and fact .
Your end result : Depending on how knowledgeable your sources , you will usually wind up with a PC that generally suits your purposes , but may not be what YOU want .
The harder way : Ask around , and then back up your findings with research .
Sometimes a bad end-user experience does n't mean a bad product .
Once you 've researched , made your decisions , and marked your budget then you can begin the process of building .
Your end result : Barring any manufacturer or installation errors you will usually wind up with a PC that does what you want and will live up to your expectations .
I 've tried both ways and that was my experience , and has been the experience of most people that I talk to .
Just remember to build your computer to what you need .
If you do n't need the big flashy CPU , or the water cooling system , or the high-end GPUs then do n't get them...Although I must say I was sold after seeing the pretty lights inside my case !
'the burden of proof is yours to carry'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are generally two choices after setting your budget:

The easy way: Ask some knowledgeable people.
But be prepared to spend some time sorting out opinion and fact.
Your end result:  Depending on how knowledgeable your sources, you will usually wind up with a PC that generally suits your purposes, but may not be what YOU want.
The harder way: Ask around, and then back up your findings with research.
Sometimes a bad end-user experience doesn't mean a bad product.
Once you've researched, made your decisions, and marked your budget then you can begin the process of building.
Your end result:  Barring any manufacturer or installation errors you will usually wind up with a PC that does what you want and will live up to your expectations.
I've tried both ways and that was my experience, and has been the experience of most people that I talk to.
Just remember to build your computer to what you need.
If you don't need the big flashy CPU, or the water cooling system, or the high-end GPUs then don't get them...Although I must say I was sold after seeing the pretty lights inside my case!
'the burden of proof is yours to carry'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412494</id>
	<title>Intel: Messy web site and confusing information.</title>
	<author>Futurepower(R)</author>
	<datestamp>1268145000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly right. Be very careful with Intel's messy web site and confusing information. A higher model number may eliminate a feature.

<br> <br>Do you want hardware virtualization? Yes. You may want to install a program to test it, without taking a chance of causing trouble for your main OS installation. Sun <a href="http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions" title="virtualbox.org">VirtualBox</a> [virtualbox.org] is free for personal use.

<br> <br>My experience with Intel is that everything but processor and chipset design is amazingly poorly managed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly right .
Be very careful with Intel 's messy web site and confusing information .
A higher model number may eliminate a feature .
Do you want hardware virtualization ?
Yes. You may want to install a program to test it , without taking a chance of causing trouble for your main OS installation .
Sun VirtualBox [ virtualbox.org ] is free for personal use .
My experience with Intel is that everything but processor and chipset design is amazingly poorly managed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly right.
Be very careful with Intel's messy web site and confusing information.
A higher model number may eliminate a feature.
Do you want hardware virtualization?
Yes. You may want to install a program to test it, without taking a chance of causing trouble for your main OS installation.
Sun VirtualBox [virtualbox.org] is free for personal use.
My experience with Intel is that everything but processor and chipset design is amazingly poorly managed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411800</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware virtualization</title>
	<author>tresho</author>
	<datestamp>1268138160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>The funny thing is that very few computer salesmen know for which CPUs hardware virtualization is enabled, so the only result of Intel's market segmentation is confusion and dissatisfied customers.</em>
---   CPUs are not the only factor limiting virtualization.  You have to factor in the motherboard, BIOS, graphics, and RAM.  Intel offers a utility you can run that will tell you whether or not your system permits virtualization, but it is misleading.  If you put an Intel CPU on a motherboard whose chipset blocks virtualization, the utility tells you the CPU is incapable of virtualization, even though it actually is, while it will not tell you that the chipset is the limiting factor.   Motherboard manufacturers may capriciously block virtualization at the BIOS level and months later release BIOS versions which allow it.
---   Computer salesmen are not the only ones ignorant of which components permit virtualization and which don't.  Just go to Newegg or TigerDirect and search for, say, a laptop or a motherboard that will run virtualization under Win7.  The information is never provided.  I sent an email to Newegg 3 weeks ago asking for this information and have yet to receive a reply.  Generally speaking, computer and motherboard manufacturers act as if they don't know and don't care which of their machines/motherboards permit virtualization and which don't.  Various forums &amp; boards on the internet which discuss virtualization from a user's point of view often neglect to give the specifics of successful virtualization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The funny thing is that very few computer salesmen know for which CPUs hardware virtualization is enabled , so the only result of Intel 's market segmentation is confusion and dissatisfied customers .
--- CPUs are not the only factor limiting virtualization .
You have to factor in the motherboard , BIOS , graphics , and RAM .
Intel offers a utility you can run that will tell you whether or not your system permits virtualization , but it is misleading .
If you put an Intel CPU on a motherboard whose chipset blocks virtualization , the utility tells you the CPU is incapable of virtualization , even though it actually is , while it will not tell you that the chipset is the limiting factor .
Motherboard manufacturers may capriciously block virtualization at the BIOS level and months later release BIOS versions which allow it .
--- Computer salesmen are not the only ones ignorant of which components permit virtualization and which do n't .
Just go to Newegg or TigerDirect and search for , say , a laptop or a motherboard that will run virtualization under Win7 .
The information is never provided .
I sent an email to Newegg 3 weeks ago asking for this information and have yet to receive a reply .
Generally speaking , computer and motherboard manufacturers act as if they do n't know and do n't care which of their machines/motherboards permit virtualization and which do n't .
Various forums &amp; boards on the internet which discuss virtualization from a user 's point of view often neglect to give the specifics of successful virtualization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funny thing is that very few computer salesmen know for which CPUs hardware virtualization is enabled, so the only result of Intel's market segmentation is confusion and dissatisfied customers.
---   CPUs are not the only factor limiting virtualization.
You have to factor in the motherboard, BIOS, graphics, and RAM.
Intel offers a utility you can run that will tell you whether or not your system permits virtualization, but it is misleading.
If you put an Intel CPU on a motherboard whose chipset blocks virtualization, the utility tells you the CPU is incapable of virtualization, even though it actually is, while it will not tell you that the chipset is the limiting factor.
Motherboard manufacturers may capriciously block virtualization at the BIOS level and months later release BIOS versions which allow it.
---   Computer salesmen are not the only ones ignorant of which components permit virtualization and which don't.
Just go to Newegg or TigerDirect and search for, say, a laptop or a motherboard that will run virtualization under Win7.
The information is never provided.
I sent an email to Newegg 3 weeks ago asking for this information and have yet to receive a reply.
Generally speaking, computer and motherboard manufacturers act as if they don't know and don't care which of their machines/motherboards permit virtualization and which don't.
Various forums &amp; boards on the internet which discuss virtualization from a user's point of view often neglect to give the specifics of successful virtualization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411720</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790. It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.<br>
&nbsp;</p> </div><p>If I can get a 5850 for $210 I get the 5850 thx.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790 .
It 's about 90 \ % of the 5850 for $ 200 .
  If I can get a 5850 for $ 210 I get the 5850 thx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790.
It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.
  If I can get a 5850 for $210 I get the 5850 thx.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31427818</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1268243940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For motherboards I would stick with ASUS or Gigabit Because I have had good luck with both. Gigabit is my favorite.<br>PSU yes get a good one and I would also say get a good case. CoolMaster is a good case for the most part.<br>Why spend a little more on a Good case? Because a good case makes you life a lot easier and they don't wear out or get replaced by a faster model!<br>CPUs I am a fan of AMD as I feel they give the best bang for the buck in the Good enough range.<br>Then pick an Nvidia or ATI video card you like.<br>After that you are good to go.<br>For around $500 you can have a very nice system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For motherboards I would stick with ASUS or Gigabit Because I have had good luck with both .
Gigabit is my favorite.PSU yes get a good one and I would also say get a good case .
CoolMaster is a good case for the most part.Why spend a little more on a Good case ?
Because a good case makes you life a lot easier and they do n't wear out or get replaced by a faster model ! CPUs I am a fan of AMD as I feel they give the best bang for the buck in the Good enough range.Then pick an Nvidia or ATI video card you like.After that you are good to go.For around $ 500 you can have a very nice system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For motherboards I would stick with ASUS or Gigabit Because I have had good luck with both.
Gigabit is my favorite.PSU yes get a good one and I would also say get a good case.
CoolMaster is a good case for the most part.Why spend a little more on a Good case?
Because a good case makes you life a lot easier and they don't wear out or get replaced by a faster model!CPUs I am a fan of AMD as I feel they give the best bang for the buck in the Good enough range.Then pick an Nvidia or ATI video card you like.After that you are good to go.For around $500 you can have a very nice system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413302</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1268148660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it). It is true Mac offers little options.</p></div></blockquote><p>Limiting choices is something Apple does on purpose and for a reason:<br><a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/265499/march-04-2010/barry-schwartz" title="colbertnation.com">http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/265499/march-04-2010/barry-schwartz</a> [colbertnation.com]<br>or<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Paradox-Choice-Why-More-Less/dp/0060005688" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/Paradox-Choice-Why-More-Less/dp/0060005688</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>In fact, it's almost what the OP sounds like he wants, but then again, he could be buying any prebuilt.  I always thought the CPU market was getting too complicated for the layperson, coming from a time when you could just look at a Pentium and judge it based on MHz.</p><p>Beyond RAM, very few people actually upgrade their computers, they'll just buy a new one every 4-5 years.  If I had to upgrade beyond RAM/HARD\_DRIVE, I usually don't myself -- whatever still fits in the old socket isn't a big enough bump anyway, replacing the motherboard can give a good speed increase but that means getting the ram to match it, as well as a CPU, and you're well on your way to a new computer.  Gamers might opt for a new video card, but few people beyond that segment actually push theirs.</p><p>And for many people, the savings just don't equate to the time spent on all this crap.  And often, if you're already a computer oriented person, what you learn is relevant in only such a short frame of time, it's not even much of an educational lesson.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch ( still have n't gotten around too it ) .
It is true Mac offers little options.Limiting choices is something Apple does on purpose and for a reason : http : //www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/265499/march-04-2010/barry-schwartz [ colbertnation.com ] orhttp : //www.amazon.com/Paradox-Choice-Why-More-Less/dp/0060005688 [ amazon.com ] In fact , it 's almost what the OP sounds like he wants , but then again , he could be buying any prebuilt .
I always thought the CPU market was getting too complicated for the layperson , coming from a time when you could just look at a Pentium and judge it based on MHz.Beyond RAM , very few people actually upgrade their computers , they 'll just buy a new one every 4-5 years .
If I had to upgrade beyond RAM/HARD \ _DRIVE , I usually do n't myself -- whatever still fits in the old socket is n't a big enough bump anyway , replacing the motherboard can give a good speed increase but that means getting the ram to match it , as well as a CPU , and you 're well on your way to a new computer .
Gamers might opt for a new video card , but few people beyond that segment actually push theirs.And for many people , the savings just do n't equate to the time spent on all this crap .
And often , if you 're already a computer oriented person , what you learn is relevant in only such a short frame of time , it 's not even much of an educational lesson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it).
It is true Mac offers little options.Limiting choices is something Apple does on purpose and for a reason:http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/265499/march-04-2010/barry-schwartz [colbertnation.com]orhttp://www.amazon.com/Paradox-Choice-Why-More-Less/dp/0060005688 [amazon.com]In fact, it's almost what the OP sounds like he wants, but then again, he could be buying any prebuilt.
I always thought the CPU market was getting too complicated for the layperson, coming from a time when you could just look at a Pentium and judge it based on MHz.Beyond RAM, very few people actually upgrade their computers, they'll just buy a new one every 4-5 years.
If I had to upgrade beyond RAM/HARD\_DRIVE, I usually don't myself -- whatever still fits in the old socket isn't a big enough bump anyway, replacing the motherboard can give a good speed increase but that means getting the ram to match it, as well as a CPU, and you're well on your way to a new computer.
Gamers might opt for a new video card, but few people beyond that segment actually push theirs.And for many people, the savings just don't equate to the time spent on all this crap.
And often, if you're already a computer oriented person, what you learn is relevant in only such a short frame of time, it's not even much of an educational lesson.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411824</id>
	<title>Oblivion has been out for a while</title>
	<author>phrostie</author>
	<datestamp>1268138580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oblivion has been out for a while.  my game box is build out of friends left overs.  the graphics card is a ati hd 3870.  not a sloucher, but rather out dated.  btw, i have two but oblivion doesn't benefit from crossfire.</p><p>anyway most new cards will crunch it just fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oblivion has been out for a while .
my game box is build out of friends left overs .
the graphics card is a ati hd 3870. not a sloucher , but rather out dated .
btw , i have two but oblivion does n't benefit from crossfire.anyway most new cards will crunch it just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oblivion has been out for a while.
my game box is build out of friends left overs.
the graphics card is a ati hd 3870.  not a sloucher, but rather out dated.
btw, i have two but oblivion doesn't benefit from crossfire.anyway most new cards will crunch it just fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412590</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1268145480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, if you're willing to over clock, the i7 920 is quite a bit faster than the i7 870...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , if you 're willing to over clock , the i7 920 is quite a bit faster than the i7 870.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, if you're willing to over clock, the i7 920 is quite a bit faster than the i7 870...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411892</id>
	<title>Tom's Hardware BestConfigs</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1268139660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All I want is something that will run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV.</p></div><p>They do the legwork already. <a href="http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/build-your-own-pc,news-32618.html?xtmc=build&amp;xtcr=3" title="tomshardware.co.uk">Pick a budget</a> [tomshardware.co.uk]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All I want is something that will run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV.They do the legwork already .
Pick a budget [ tomshardware.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I want is something that will run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV.They do the legwork already.
Pick a budget [tomshardware.co.uk]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414292</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>vorpal^</author>
	<datestamp>1268152800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. That's more or less what I do, too.</p><p>The resale value of Macs is insane, and if money is a concern, resale should be taken into account. For example, in 2000, I became interested in trying the Mac OS X public beta, so I went on eBay and bought myself a bondi blue iMac for about $450. After a year, I had completely fallen in love with OS X and decided it was time to buy a better Mac in order to run OS X more efficiently. I sold the bondi blue iMac on eBay and managed to receive $600 for it.</p><p>Similarly, I had a second hand blueberry iBook, which I purchased for about $1000. I sold it two years later for $900, if I remember correctly.</p><p>It never fails to amaze me at how slowly Macs depreciate in value. I've never received less than 50\% of the original purchase price of a Mac after selling one after three years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
That 's more or less what I do , too.The resale value of Macs is insane , and if money is a concern , resale should be taken into account .
For example , in 2000 , I became interested in trying the Mac OS X public beta , so I went on eBay and bought myself a bondi blue iMac for about $ 450 .
After a year , I had completely fallen in love with OS X and decided it was time to buy a better Mac in order to run OS X more efficiently .
I sold the bondi blue iMac on eBay and managed to receive $ 600 for it.Similarly , I had a second hand blueberry iBook , which I purchased for about $ 1000 .
I sold it two years later for $ 900 , if I remember correctly.It never fails to amaze me at how slowly Macs depreciate in value .
I 've never received less than 50 \ % of the original purchase price of a Mac after selling one after three years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
That's more or less what I do, too.The resale value of Macs is insane, and if money is a concern, resale should be taken into account.
For example, in 2000, I became interested in trying the Mac OS X public beta, so I went on eBay and bought myself a bondi blue iMac for about $450.
After a year, I had completely fallen in love with OS X and decided it was time to buy a better Mac in order to run OS X more efficiently.
I sold the bondi blue iMac on eBay and managed to receive $600 for it.Similarly, I had a second hand blueberry iBook, which I purchased for about $1000.
I sold it two years later for $900, if I remember correctly.It never fails to amaze me at how slowly Macs depreciate in value.
I've never received less than 50\% of the original purchase price of a Mac after selling one after three years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413910</id>
	<title>Re:Virtualization</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268151360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But VirtualBox is actually faster, if you disable the use of CPU virtualization functions. (And faster than any other VM I&rsquo;ve tried.) Look it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But VirtualBox is actually faster , if you disable the use of CPU virtualization functions .
( And faster than any other VM I    ve tried .
) Look it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But VirtualBox is actually faster, if you disable the use of CPU virtualization functions.
(And faster than any other VM I’ve tried.
) Look it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411542</id>
	<title>Two comprehensive lists</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1268134620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out

<a href="http://www.cpubenchmark.net/" title="cpubenchmark.net">http://www.cpubenchmark.net/</a> [cpubenchmark.net]

and

<a href="http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/" title="videocardbenchmark.net">http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/</a> [videocardbenchmark.net]

With a pinch of salt you can make a relevant decision based on those two, even if Googling around would make your decision even better.


.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out http : //www.cpubenchmark.net/ [ cpubenchmark.net ] and http : //www.videocardbenchmark.net/ [ videocardbenchmark.net ] With a pinch of salt you can make a relevant decision based on those two , even if Googling around would make your decision even better .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/ [cpubenchmark.net]

and

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ [videocardbenchmark.net]

With a pinch of salt you can make a relevant decision based on those two, even if Googling around would make your decision even better.
.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31424712</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Volguus Zildrohar</author>
	<datestamp>1268225160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here is the actual list I made up.</p></div><p>Okay, I know what you're saying, but some phrases do not inspire confidence<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is the actual list I made up.Okay , I know what you 're saying , but some phrases do not inspire confidence : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is the actual list I made up.Okay, I know what you're saying, but some phrases do not inspire confidence :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412026</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Dachannien</author>
	<datestamp>1268141340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, it drops straight into my old AM2 motherboard (with a quick BIOS upgrade). Try doing that with Intel.</p></div><p>Thanks for the advice, you turd.  Now my computer's on fire.  Literally!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , it drops straight into my old AM2 motherboard ( with a quick BIOS upgrade ) .
Try doing that with Intel.Thanks for the advice , you turd .
Now my computer 's on fire .
Literally !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, it drops straight into my old AM2 motherboard (with a quick BIOS upgrade).
Try doing that with Intel.Thanks for the advice, you turd.
Now my computer's on fire.
Literally!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31417250</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1268164560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Meh, he probably bought it on eBay or found it in a cornflakes packet or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , he probably bought it on eBay or found it in a cornflakes packet or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, he probably bought it on eBay or found it in a cornflakes packet or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412388</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>the\_B0fh</author>
	<datestamp>1268144520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How the fuck is nvidia better with linux when they actively fight against the developers and refuse to release docs??</p><p>AMD/ATI has released full docs.</p><p>Are you one of those who trust the vendors?</p><p>Here's a good example of trusting vendors and their closed source:          <a href="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/170601" title="gmane.org">http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/170601</a> [gmane.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How the fuck is nvidia better with linux when they actively fight against the developers and refuse to release docs ?
? AMD/ATI has released full docs.Are you one of those who trust the vendors ? Here 's a good example of trusting vendors and their closed source : http : //permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/170601 [ gmane.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the fuck is nvidia better with linux when they actively fight against the developers and refuse to release docs?
?AMD/ATI has released full docs.Are you one of those who trust the vendors?Here's a good example of trusting vendors and their closed source:          http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/170601 [gmane.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411566</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>At the moment, because of pricepoint and such, there's no reason to get any AMD proc. A Core i5-750 is better processor for the money than any AMD proc</p></div></blockquote><p>A Core i5 750 costs more than any current AMD desktop processor, so that makes no sense.  I can get a quad-core Athlon II for half the price of an i5 750.  Sure, it's slower, but it's not <i>slow</i>.  Also, it drops straight into my old AM2 motherboard (with a quick BIOS upgrade).  Try doing that with Intel.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the moment , because of pricepoint and such , there 's no reason to get any AMD proc .
A Core i5-750 is better processor for the money than any AMD procA Core i5 750 costs more than any current AMD desktop processor , so that makes no sense .
I can get a quad-core Athlon II for half the price of an i5 750 .
Sure , it 's slower , but it 's not slow .
Also , it drops straight into my old AM2 motherboard ( with a quick BIOS upgrade ) .
Try doing that with Intel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the moment, because of pricepoint and such, there's no reason to get any AMD proc.
A Core i5-750 is better processor for the money than any AMD procA Core i5 750 costs more than any current AMD desktop processor, so that makes no sense.
I can get a quad-core Athlon II for half the price of an i5 750.
Sure, it's slower, but it's not slow.
Also, it drops straight into my old AM2 motherboard (with a quick BIOS upgrade).
Try doing that with Intel.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412182</id>
	<title>Re:Hardware virtualization</title>
	<author>tokul</author>
	<datestamp>1268142480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Make sure that the CPU you buy supports hardware virtualization, for running virtual machines. Every computer enthusiast should want to run virtual machines!</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
you don't need hardware VT in order to run virtual machines.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure that the CPU you buy supports hardware virtualization , for running virtual machines .
Every computer enthusiast should want to run virtual machines !
you do n't need hardware VT in order to run virtual machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure that the CPU you buy supports hardware virtualization, for running virtual machines.
Every computer enthusiast should want to run virtual machines!
you don't need hardware VT in order to run virtual machines.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413334</id>
	<title>I have three tiers</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1268148780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Top tier: i7, for hardcore graphics needs on a single station.</p><p>Middle tier: Core 2 Quad, for large-scale, multi-system computation.</p><p>Bottom tier: Pentium Dual Core (Wolfdale), for all general purpose, gaming and media center PCs.</p><p>I actually love the 2.8 GHz Wolfdales.  Easy to OC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Top tier : i7 , for hardcore graphics needs on a single station.Middle tier : Core 2 Quad , for large-scale , multi-system computation.Bottom tier : Pentium Dual Core ( Wolfdale ) , for all general purpose , gaming and media center PCs.I actually love the 2.8 GHz Wolfdales .
Easy to OC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Top tier: i7, for hardcore graphics needs on a single station.Middle tier: Core 2 Quad, for large-scale, multi-system computation.Bottom tier: Pentium Dual Core (Wolfdale), for all general purpose, gaming and media center PCs.I actually love the 2.8 GHz Wolfdales.
Easy to OC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413718</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268150460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Non-tech guys? On my Slashdot??<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>You aren&rsquo;t a liberal arts major by any chance?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Non-tech guys ?
On my Slashdot ? ?
; ) You aren    t a liberal arts major by any chance ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Non-tech guys?
On my Slashdot??
;)You aren’t a liberal arts major by any chance?
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31433392</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1268230380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wanted to let you know that you win the award for most useless post here.  Not only does it make no sense, if you try to make sense out of it (which I shouldn't have tried, my fault) it devolves into outright idiocy.</p><p>"Computer Science" has very little to do with specific hardware, and more to do with things that work across different hardware.<br>Not sure why you specified x86, since x64 is more likely and ATOM or ARM are certainly possibilities, although Oblivion won't run.<br>There are piles of other posters who agree: marketing naming is out of control, and to expect someone to follow every hardware release when their primary occupation is software development is just ignorant.<br>Assembling a PC was not a requirement - I summarized my question as "How do you buy a PC?"<br>Your hypothetical 14 year old is what makes me certain you are a troll.  "Any competent 14 year old" implies you mean competent in building computers, which is as tautological as you can get.  The average 14 year old has no idea what parts even make up a computer, so you'll have to limit yourself to a very small subset for that to be remotely true.<br>Finally, for this 14 year old to accomplish this in an afternoon, you're going to require living within an hour's drive of a well-stocked computer parts store, or prior ordering from an internet site.<br>All it takes is a single mismatch so your processor doesn't even fit in the mobo, your DDR3 memory isn't supported, overlooking a missing HDMI or DVI port, mixing up AGP and PCI-E, and far more subtle things like the mobo doesn't support CPU or GPU functionality, and the whole thing falls apart.</p><p>Posts like this which gloss over the Intel VT issues were in the running for most idiotic post as well.  Once I understand, it makes sense.  Thanks, that helped.  I should have just meditated and the spirit of jon3k will enlighten me once I attain oneness with the electrons.</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1575698&amp;cid=31428544" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1575698&amp;cid=31428544</a> [slashdot.org]<br><a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1575698&amp;cid=31415088" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1575698&amp;cid=31415088</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>You, sir, are fired from the internet.  Go pick up cross-stitching or pinochle and let the adults speak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wanted to let you know that you win the award for most useless post here .
Not only does it make no sense , if you try to make sense out of it ( which I should n't have tried , my fault ) it devolves into outright idiocy .
" Computer Science " has very little to do with specific hardware , and more to do with things that work across different hardware.Not sure why you specified x86 , since x64 is more likely and ATOM or ARM are certainly possibilities , although Oblivion wo n't run.There are piles of other posters who agree : marketing naming is out of control , and to expect someone to follow every hardware release when their primary occupation is software development is just ignorant.Assembling a PC was not a requirement - I summarized my question as " How do you buy a PC ?
" Your hypothetical 14 year old is what makes me certain you are a troll .
" Any competent 14 year old " implies you mean competent in building computers , which is as tautological as you can get .
The average 14 year old has no idea what parts even make up a computer , so you 'll have to limit yourself to a very small subset for that to be remotely true.Finally , for this 14 year old to accomplish this in an afternoon , you 're going to require living within an hour 's drive of a well-stocked computer parts store , or prior ordering from an internet site.All it takes is a single mismatch so your processor does n't even fit in the mobo , your DDR3 memory is n't supported , overlooking a missing HDMI or DVI port , mixing up AGP and PCI-E , and far more subtle things like the mobo does n't support CPU or GPU functionality , and the whole thing falls apart.Posts like this which gloss over the Intel VT issues were in the running for most idiotic post as well .
Once I understand , it makes sense .
Thanks , that helped .
I should have just meditated and the spirit of jon3k will enlighten me once I attain oneness with the electrons.http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1575698&amp;cid = 31428544 [ slashdot.org ] http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1575698&amp;cid = 31415088 [ slashdot.org ] You , sir , are fired from the internet .
Go pick up cross-stitching or pinochle and let the adults speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wanted to let you know that you win the award for most useless post here.
Not only does it make no sense, if you try to make sense out of it (which I shouldn't have tried, my fault) it devolves into outright idiocy.
"Computer Science" has very little to do with specific hardware, and more to do with things that work across different hardware.Not sure why you specified x86, since x64 is more likely and ATOM or ARM are certainly possibilities, although Oblivion won't run.There are piles of other posters who agree: marketing naming is out of control, and to expect someone to follow every hardware release when their primary occupation is software development is just ignorant.Assembling a PC was not a requirement - I summarized my question as "How do you buy a PC?
"Your hypothetical 14 year old is what makes me certain you are a troll.
"Any competent 14 year old" implies you mean competent in building computers, which is as tautological as you can get.
The average 14 year old has no idea what parts even make up a computer, so you'll have to limit yourself to a very small subset for that to be remotely true.Finally, for this 14 year old to accomplish this in an afternoon, you're going to require living within an hour's drive of a well-stocked computer parts store, or prior ordering from an internet site.All it takes is a single mismatch so your processor doesn't even fit in the mobo, your DDR3 memory isn't supported, overlooking a missing HDMI or DVI port, mixing up AGP and PCI-E, and far more subtle things like the mobo doesn't support CPU or GPU functionality, and the whole thing falls apart.Posts like this which gloss over the Intel VT issues were in the running for most idiotic post as well.
Once I understand, it makes sense.
Thanks, that helped.
I should have just meditated and the spirit of jon3k will enlighten me once I attain oneness with the electrons.http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1575698&amp;cid=31428544 [slashdot.org]http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1575698&amp;cid=31415088 [slashdot.org]You, sir, are fired from the internet.
Go pick up cross-stitching or pinochle and let the adults speak.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412610</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No reason to buy AMD?  Are you serious?  Last time I built a computer, about 9 months ago, I went with AMD, and I'll tell you why...  I got a quad core 3.0 ghz phenom for about $200, the closest intel chip, a quad core running and 2.5 ghz, was more than 4 times the price (about $900).  In the end, I built an entire system: motherboard, ram, hard drive, power supply, graphics card, case, and a larger heat sink to allow over clocking the chip (which is now running at 3.4 ghz).</p><p>You even sight price in your reasoning for discounting AMD, which makes no sense what so ever from where i sit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No reason to buy AMD ?
Are you serious ?
Last time I built a computer , about 9 months ago , I went with AMD , and I 'll tell you why... I got a quad core 3.0 ghz phenom for about $ 200 , the closest intel chip , a quad core running and 2.5 ghz , was more than 4 times the price ( about $ 900 ) .
In the end , I built an entire system : motherboard , ram , hard drive , power supply , graphics card , case , and a larger heat sink to allow over clocking the chip ( which is now running at 3.4 ghz ) .You even sight price in your reasoning for discounting AMD , which makes no sense what so ever from where i sit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No reason to buy AMD?
Are you serious?
Last time I built a computer, about 9 months ago, I went with AMD, and I'll tell you why...  I got a quad core 3.0 ghz phenom for about $200, the closest intel chip, a quad core running and 2.5 ghz, was more than 4 times the price (about $900).
In the end, I built an entire system: motherboard, ram, hard drive, power supply, graphics card, case, and a larger heat sink to allow over clocking the chip (which is now running at 3.4 ghz).You even sight price in your reasoning for discounting AMD, which makes no sense what so ever from where i sit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415112</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1268155740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks to the new Intel naming scheme if you need VT just make sure it's an i5 or better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks to the new Intel naming scheme if you need VT just make sure it 's an i5 or better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks to the new Intel naming scheme if you need VT just make sure it's an i5 or better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416266</id>
	<title>Nobody uses SPEC anymore?</title>
	<author>glassware</author>
	<datestamp>1268160060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only CPU measurement that matters is SPEC.  That's an actual calculation of the most complex algorithms people have been able to devise and an explanation of how they work on each CPU.  If you want to know which CPU is worth more, check its SPECint or SPECfp numbers.</p><p><a href="http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/" title="spec.org">http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/</a> [spec.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only CPU measurement that matters is SPEC .
That 's an actual calculation of the most complex algorithms people have been able to devise and an explanation of how they work on each CPU .
If you want to know which CPU is worth more , check its SPECint or SPECfp numbers.http : //www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/ [ spec.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only CPU measurement that matters is SPEC.
That's an actual calculation of the most complex algorithms people have been able to devise and an explanation of how they work on each CPU.
If you want to know which CPU is worth more, check its SPECint or SPECfp numbers.http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/ [spec.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412552</id>
	<title>Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Motherboard and PSU. Don't try to save money on these two by buying cheaper.</p><p>Everything else is determined only by how much money you have to spend.<br>Also, everything else can be upgraded/replaced without having to replace other components.</p><p>Pay close attention to PSUs 12V amperage - don't buy cheap Chinese ones that have hundreds of theoretical Watts but give only about 20 Amps on 12V.<br>12V is for all of your coolers, hard-drives (including external ones), optical drives and anything else you attach to it that has a motor or movable parts.<br>Buy ULTRA or Corsair (if you can't afford a ULTRA).</p><p>With motherboards, pay extra for the Deluxe or Pro model - however they call it.<br>Compare it to the "regular" version of the motherboard.<br>If it looks almost the same with maybe another PCI or USB slot added - the pricier one is the one that actually works as intended/advertised.<br>The cheaper "regular" model probably couldn't quite cut it, so it got downgraded from the original intended specs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Motherboard and PSU .
Do n't try to save money on these two by buying cheaper.Everything else is determined only by how much money you have to spend.Also , everything else can be upgraded/replaced without having to replace other components.Pay close attention to PSUs 12V amperage - do n't buy cheap Chinese ones that have hundreds of theoretical Watts but give only about 20 Amps on 12V.12V is for all of your coolers , hard-drives ( including external ones ) , optical drives and anything else you attach to it that has a motor or movable parts.Buy ULTRA or Corsair ( if you ca n't afford a ULTRA ) .With motherboards , pay extra for the Deluxe or Pro model - however they call it.Compare it to the " regular " version of the motherboard.If it looks almost the same with maybe another PCI or USB slot added - the pricier one is the one that actually works as intended/advertised.The cheaper " regular " model probably could n't quite cut it , so it got downgraded from the original intended specs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Motherboard and PSU.
Don't try to save money on these two by buying cheaper.Everything else is determined only by how much money you have to spend.Also, everything else can be upgraded/replaced without having to replace other components.Pay close attention to PSUs 12V amperage - don't buy cheap Chinese ones that have hundreds of theoretical Watts but give only about 20 Amps on 12V.12V is for all of your coolers, hard-drives (including external ones), optical drives and anything else you attach to it that has a motor or movable parts.Buy ULTRA or Corsair (if you can't afford a ULTRA).With motherboards, pay extra for the Deluxe or Pro model - however they call it.Compare it to the "regular" version of the motherboard.If it looks almost the same with maybe another PCI or USB slot added - the pricier one is the one that actually works as intended/advertised.The cheaper "regular" model probably couldn't quite cut it, so it got downgraded from the original intended specs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416516</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268161080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Dragon Age: Origins?</p><p>2006 called and wants its game back.</p></div><p>I think you meant Elder Scrolls Oblivion, but yes, 2006 is calling</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dragon Age : Origins ? 2006 called and wants its game back.I think you meant Elder Scrolls Oblivion , but yes , 2006 is calling</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dragon Age: Origins?2006 called and wants its game back.I think you meant Elder Scrolls Oblivion, but yes, 2006 is calling
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411772</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why even bother giving advice if you don't want to give any?</p><p>He wants to get the best bang for his buck, and some idea of how to compare products.  Even if he can waste money slopping together something and accomplish his objective (and no, you're wrong, he can't get a high framerate at high res with full effects just picking anything these days with Oblivion), doesn't mean that's OK.</p><p>the hierarchy is ridiculous these days.  Newegg or amazon or whoever could really fill the niche by expertly picking whatever setups best meet various price points.  They could include benchmarks with modern games, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why even bother giving advice if you do n't want to give any ? He wants to get the best bang for his buck , and some idea of how to compare products .
Even if he can waste money slopping together something and accomplish his objective ( and no , you 're wrong , he ca n't get a high framerate at high res with full effects just picking anything these days with Oblivion ) , does n't mean that 's OK.the hierarchy is ridiculous these days .
Newegg or amazon or whoever could really fill the niche by expertly picking whatever setups best meet various price points .
They could include benchmarks with modern games , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why even bother giving advice if you don't want to give any?He wants to get the best bang for his buck, and some idea of how to compare products.
Even if he can waste money slopping together something and accomplish his objective (and no, you're wrong, he can't get a high framerate at high res with full effects just picking anything these days with Oblivion), doesn't mean that's OK.the hierarchy is ridiculous these days.
Newegg or amazon or whoever could really fill the niche by expertly picking whatever setups best meet various price points.
They could include benchmarks with modern games, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31424036</id>
	<title>Bit-Tech</title>
	<author>fuzzywig</author>
	<datestamp>1268214360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or you could read the <a href="http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/03/09/pc-hardware-buyers-guide-march-2010/" title="bit-tech.net" rel="nofollow">Bit-Tech system guide</a> [bit-tech.net]
.
(and/or any of the other similar guides from other tech sites)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could read the Bit-Tech system guide [ bit-tech.net ] .
( and/or any of the other similar guides from other tech sites )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could read the Bit-Tech system guide [bit-tech.net]
.
(and/or any of the other similar guides from other tech sites)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411700</id>
	<title>How to buy a computer today.</title>
	<author>3seas</author>
	<datestamp>1268136720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use a credit card.</p><p>How to chose a computer is a different question.</p><p>All new systems have all there bugs yet to be discovered.<br>But an older system for which you can search the internet for finding out any issues it may have, is the trade of of getting nearer to obsolete status.</p><p>For basic computing including internet usage, there are plenty of older systems, often free if you just look for toss outs. But then that is not buying and does noty qualify for a response to the question.</p><p>After a very long time (near twenty years) of using nothing but toss outs, I bought a new laptop. I knew what in needed it to do and i have found out it doesn't do it as well as I'd have expected of it. I suspect buying a not so old desktop refurb might have produced better results in some applications.</p><p>ultimately it comes down to a bit of a gamble regarding the buying of a new systems, no matter how much you research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a credit card.How to chose a computer is a different question.All new systems have all there bugs yet to be discovered.But an older system for which you can search the internet for finding out any issues it may have , is the trade of of getting nearer to obsolete status.For basic computing including internet usage , there are plenty of older systems , often free if you just look for toss outs .
But then that is not buying and does noty qualify for a response to the question.After a very long time ( near twenty years ) of using nothing but toss outs , I bought a new laptop .
I knew what in needed it to do and i have found out it does n't do it as well as I 'd have expected of it .
I suspect buying a not so old desktop refurb might have produced better results in some applications.ultimately it comes down to a bit of a gamble regarding the buying of a new systems , no matter how much you research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a credit card.How to chose a computer is a different question.All new systems have all there bugs yet to be discovered.But an older system for which you can search the internet for finding out any issues it may have, is the trade of of getting nearer to obsolete status.For basic computing including internet usage, there are plenty of older systems, often free if you just look for toss outs.
But then that is not buying and does noty qualify for a response to the question.After a very long time (near twenty years) of using nothing but toss outs, I bought a new laptop.
I knew what in needed it to do and i have found out it doesn't do it as well as I'd have expected of it.
I suspect buying a not so old desktop refurb might have produced better results in some applications.ultimately it comes down to a bit of a gamble regarding the buying of a new systems, no matter how much you research.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412658</id>
	<title>Review old /. post or Tom's Hardware benchmarks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I do..<br>This one was posted couple of weeks ago on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448</p><p>When I'm about to buy, I have always taken a look at Tom's Hardware charts..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I do..This one was posted couple of weeks ago on / .
http : //techreport.com/articles.x/18448When I 'm about to buy , I have always taken a look at Tom 's Hardware charts. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I do..This one was posted couple of weeks ago on /.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448When I'm about to buy, I have always taken a look at Tom's Hardware charts..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412998</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268147340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You got to be kidding.  Nowadays pretty much the computing bottleneck relies on the graphics card.  Games aren't limited by CPU and other than games the most demanding application that your typical end user will run will be that dreaded flash plugin.  Even so, that dreaded flash plugin will barely tax your CPU.  For example, I'm running a decades-old Athlon 64 X2 4000+ and when I stumble on a flash-heavy site my CPU monitor will barely tip 50\% on a single core.  I'm also a bit of a non-standard user, as the bulk of the work I do on a computer involves running structural analysis software, the sort of software that super-computers were built to work on.  Yet, my measly system based on a Athlon 64 x2 4000+ is more than capable of running a good share of the workload.  So, where exactly is there a need for more CPU power for your daily use?</p><p>Therefore, blindly claiming that everyone should just avoid AMD because intel's products are "better processors for the money" is a disingenuous thing to say.  It's like claiming that Ferraris are "better car for the money".  Sure, they may be fast cars and handle better than your average car but if practically no one ever gets to race or venture off your typical country road then why bother wasting all that money?  What practical effect will you get from going broke to buy one of those?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got to be kidding .
Nowadays pretty much the computing bottleneck relies on the graphics card .
Games are n't limited by CPU and other than games the most demanding application that your typical end user will run will be that dreaded flash plugin .
Even so , that dreaded flash plugin will barely tax your CPU .
For example , I 'm running a decades-old Athlon 64 X2 4000 + and when I stumble on a flash-heavy site my CPU monitor will barely tip 50 \ % on a single core .
I 'm also a bit of a non-standard user , as the bulk of the work I do on a computer involves running structural analysis software , the sort of software that super-computers were built to work on .
Yet , my measly system based on a Athlon 64 x2 4000 + is more than capable of running a good share of the workload .
So , where exactly is there a need for more CPU power for your daily use ? Therefore , blindly claiming that everyone should just avoid AMD because intel 's products are " better processors for the money " is a disingenuous thing to say .
It 's like claiming that Ferraris are " better car for the money " .
Sure , they may be fast cars and handle better than your average car but if practically no one ever gets to race or venture off your typical country road then why bother wasting all that money ?
What practical effect will you get from going broke to buy one of those ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got to be kidding.
Nowadays pretty much the computing bottleneck relies on the graphics card.
Games aren't limited by CPU and other than games the most demanding application that your typical end user will run will be that dreaded flash plugin.
Even so, that dreaded flash plugin will barely tax your CPU.
For example, I'm running a decades-old Athlon 64 X2 4000+ and when I stumble on a flash-heavy site my CPU monitor will barely tip 50\% on a single core.
I'm also a bit of a non-standard user, as the bulk of the work I do on a computer involves running structural analysis software, the sort of software that super-computers were built to work on.
Yet, my measly system based on a Athlon 64 x2 4000+ is more than capable of running a good share of the workload.
So, where exactly is there a need for more CPU power for your daily use?Therefore, blindly claiming that everyone should just avoid AMD because intel's products are "better processors for the money" is a disingenuous thing to say.
It's like claiming that Ferraris are "better car for the money".
Sure, they may be fast cars and handle better than your average car but if practically no one ever gets to race or venture off your typical country road then why bother wasting all that money?
What practical effect will you get from going broke to buy one of those?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414192</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>Gerald</author>
	<datestamp>1268152440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A <b>day</b> or two? And people wonder why the Apple store is popular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A day or two ?
And people wonder why the Apple store is popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A day or two?
And people wonder why the Apple store is popular.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411974</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>machine321</author>
	<datestamp>1268140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's because nVidia pays game developers to use the <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/1636259/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">features</a> [slashdot.org] that prevent crashes and lockups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because nVidia pays game developers to use the features [ slashdot.org ] that prevent crashes and lockups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because nVidia pays game developers to use the features [slashdot.org] that prevent crashes and lockups.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412322</id>
	<title>Sillier than you know...</title>
	<author>FreeUser</author>
	<datestamp>1268143800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's sillier than you realise.  Now we can't even RTFA, as it just forwards you straight to pricewatch shopping.  What a waste of screenspace<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... this is one article Slashdot should just retroactively shitcan (or at least edit out the misleading link).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sillier than you realise .
Now we ca n't even RTFA , as it just forwards you straight to pricewatch shopping .
What a waste of screenspace ... this is one article Slashdot should just retroactively shitcan ( or at least edit out the misleading link ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sillier than you realise.
Now we can't even RTFA, as it just forwards you straight to pricewatch shopping.
What a waste of screenspace ... this is one article Slashdot should just retroactively shitcan (or at least edit out the misleading link).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411816</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268138400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You were so anxious to blather about your macboyism that you missed the most important part of the question.  He has specific requirements: "run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV".  your mindless consumer habit fails to take into account that some people actually do care whether or not a computer can do certain things, not just that they have purchased a new mac on schedule like a good and proper little apple boy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You were so anxious to blather about your macboyism that you missed the most important part of the question .
He has specific requirements : " run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV " .
your mindless consumer habit fails to take into account that some people actually do care whether or not a computer can do certain things , not just that they have purchased a new mac on schedule like a good and proper little apple boy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You were so anxious to blather about your macboyism that you missed the most important part of the question.
He has specific requirements: "run Oblivion and output full 1080 video to a TV".
your mindless consumer habit fails to take into account that some people actually do care whether or not a computer can do certain things, not just that they have purchased a new mac on schedule like a good and proper little apple boy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411594</id>
	<title>For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelong"</title>
	<author>kieran</author>
	<datestamp>1268135220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember that this shit completely changes every few years. I used to build PCs for myself and my school as a kid (386/486), then couldn't affort to for a few years, then had to start reading PC magazines when it finally came time to afford a new PC (Pentium 2/AMD equiv). Fast-forward a few years to my next major upgrade, and I'm reading Wikipedia instead of the mags, but I'm still pig-ignorant of the latest tech until I've figured out whether AGP is still current (nope) and which of DDR2/3 will be needed, how many cores are worthwhile, etc etc etc.</p><p>Maybe it's easier for those who do hardware support or deal with servers (I mostly deal with routers/switches/firewalls), but I get completely left behind if I ignore the PC components market for more than a few months.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that this shit completely changes every few years .
I used to build PCs for myself and my school as a kid ( 386/486 ) , then could n't affort to for a few years , then had to start reading PC magazines when it finally came time to afford a new PC ( Pentium 2/AMD equiv ) .
Fast-forward a few years to my next major upgrade , and I 'm reading Wikipedia instead of the mags , but I 'm still pig-ignorant of the latest tech until I 've figured out whether AGP is still current ( nope ) and which of DDR2/3 will be needed , how many cores are worthwhile , etc etc etc.Maybe it 's easier for those who do hardware support or deal with servers ( I mostly deal with routers/switches/firewalls ) , but I get completely left behind if I ignore the PC components market for more than a few months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that this shit completely changes every few years.
I used to build PCs for myself and my school as a kid (386/486), then couldn't affort to for a few years, then had to start reading PC magazines when it finally came time to afford a new PC (Pentium 2/AMD equiv).
Fast-forward a few years to my next major upgrade, and I'm reading Wikipedia instead of the mags, but I'm still pig-ignorant of the latest tech until I've figured out whether AGP is still current (nope) and which of DDR2/3 will be needed, how many cores are worthwhile, etc etc etc.Maybe it's easier for those who do hardware support or deal with servers (I mostly deal with routers/switches/firewalls), but I get completely left behind if I ignore the PC components market for more than a few months.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415224</id>
	<title>Here's how I do it...</title>
	<author>PPalmgren</author>
	<datestamp>1268156100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've built many PCs over the years, and here's the most effective time-saver method I can advise for mid-range PCs:</p><p>Pick out a CPU and Graphics card from Tom's "Best x for the money" monthly guides.  These are pretty spot on and will save you a bit of time.  Try not to go under $80 for a CPU and $100 for a graphics card, because you start hitting a point where you lose too much performance per dollar.  Add CPU and graphics card cost for 40\% of system cost.  Anything above the price point I mentioned should handle your requirements, but check benchmarks at review sites to be sure.</p><p>Look them up on newegg and use the combo items to find the other peices.  You can also use combo item list to find compatibilities and search the categories with those in mind.  Compare the combo items to the hot items for each cateogory and make a decision on which you should go with based on price/features/reviews.</p><p>Mobo:  Either go with the combo deal on a processor or find the chipsets compatible with your processor and sort by "most reviewed" to see what informed people are buying.  Read the mid-level reviews to see what people dislike about the item (4 &amp; 3 stars).  There is always one or two shining stars per chipset that outcompete the rest in the mainstream segment, and these will have disproportionately more reviews than the other boards.</p><p>RAM:  Use mobo specs to pick out which RAM you need, these days most likely 2x2gig DDR2 or 3x2gig DDR3 depending on mobo.  Use "most reviewed" again to spot items people have landed on after research.</p><p>HDD:  Not much has changed.  SSD won't help too much with game performance, so this one is up to you.</p><p>PSU:  Use "most reviewed" again, try to pick out of the middle range of your needed wattage.  A cheap PSU can destroy your entire system.  Make sure it can handle your graphics card.</p><p>Case:  Personal preference.  You can usually find a nice mature/non-bling case with most reviewed again, and a lot of times cases &amp; PSUs have combos offered.</p><p>You can do more fine-grained research to save 10\%, but I personally don't think its worth the many hours necessary to ensure you're not buying lemons.</p><p>In summary, don't worry about the model numbers and work from the main items towards compatibilities for RAM &amp; Mobo.  All PCIE will be compatible with almost any board you choose.</p><p>This methodology works pretty well on systems from $500 to $1000 without bells &amp; whistles.  Yes, you're buying what everyone else bought, but "everyone else" who buys these things are buying on the leading edge every 6-12 months.  They have experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've built many PCs over the years , and here 's the most effective time-saver method I can advise for mid-range PCs : Pick out a CPU and Graphics card from Tom 's " Best x for the money " monthly guides .
These are pretty spot on and will save you a bit of time .
Try not to go under $ 80 for a CPU and $ 100 for a graphics card , because you start hitting a point where you lose too much performance per dollar .
Add CPU and graphics card cost for 40 \ % of system cost .
Anything above the price point I mentioned should handle your requirements , but check benchmarks at review sites to be sure.Look them up on newegg and use the combo items to find the other peices .
You can also use combo item list to find compatibilities and search the categories with those in mind .
Compare the combo items to the hot items for each cateogory and make a decision on which you should go with based on price/features/reviews.Mobo : Either go with the combo deal on a processor or find the chipsets compatible with your processor and sort by " most reviewed " to see what informed people are buying .
Read the mid-level reviews to see what people dislike about the item ( 4 &amp; 3 stars ) .
There is always one or two shining stars per chipset that outcompete the rest in the mainstream segment , and these will have disproportionately more reviews than the other boards.RAM : Use mobo specs to pick out which RAM you need , these days most likely 2x2gig DDR2 or 3x2gig DDR3 depending on mobo .
Use " most reviewed " again to spot items people have landed on after research.HDD : Not much has changed .
SSD wo n't help too much with game performance , so this one is up to you.PSU : Use " most reviewed " again , try to pick out of the middle range of your needed wattage .
A cheap PSU can destroy your entire system .
Make sure it can handle your graphics card.Case : Personal preference .
You can usually find a nice mature/non-bling case with most reviewed again , and a lot of times cases &amp; PSUs have combos offered.You can do more fine-grained research to save 10 \ % , but I personally do n't think its worth the many hours necessary to ensure you 're not buying lemons.In summary , do n't worry about the model numbers and work from the main items towards compatibilities for RAM &amp; Mobo .
All PCIE will be compatible with almost any board you choose.This methodology works pretty well on systems from $ 500 to $ 1000 without bells &amp; whistles .
Yes , you 're buying what everyone else bought , but " everyone else " who buys these things are buying on the leading edge every 6-12 months .
They have experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've built many PCs over the years, and here's the most effective time-saver method I can advise for mid-range PCs:Pick out a CPU and Graphics card from Tom's "Best x for the money" monthly guides.
These are pretty spot on and will save you a bit of time.
Try not to go under $80 for a CPU and $100 for a graphics card, because you start hitting a point where you lose too much performance per dollar.
Add CPU and graphics card cost for 40\% of system cost.
Anything above the price point I mentioned should handle your requirements, but check benchmarks at review sites to be sure.Look them up on newegg and use the combo items to find the other peices.
You can also use combo item list to find compatibilities and search the categories with those in mind.
Compare the combo items to the hot items for each cateogory and make a decision on which you should go with based on price/features/reviews.Mobo:  Either go with the combo deal on a processor or find the chipsets compatible with your processor and sort by "most reviewed" to see what informed people are buying.
Read the mid-level reviews to see what people dislike about the item (4 &amp; 3 stars).
There is always one or two shining stars per chipset that outcompete the rest in the mainstream segment, and these will have disproportionately more reviews than the other boards.RAM:  Use mobo specs to pick out which RAM you need, these days most likely 2x2gig DDR2 or 3x2gig DDR3 depending on mobo.
Use "most reviewed" again to spot items people have landed on after research.HDD:  Not much has changed.
SSD won't help too much with game performance, so this one is up to you.PSU:  Use "most reviewed" again, try to pick out of the middle range of your needed wattage.
A cheap PSU can destroy your entire system.
Make sure it can handle your graphics card.Case:  Personal preference.
You can usually find a nice mature/non-bling case with most reviewed again, and a lot of times cases &amp; PSUs have combos offered.You can do more fine-grained research to save 10\%, but I personally don't think its worth the many hours necessary to ensure you're not buying lemons.In summary, don't worry about the model numbers and work from the main items towards compatibilities for RAM &amp; Mobo.
All PCIE will be compatible with almost any board you choose.This methodology works pretty well on systems from $500 to $1000 without bells &amp; whistles.
Yes, you're buying what everyone else bought, but "everyone else" who buys these things are buying on the leading edge every 6-12 months.
They have experience.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415594</id>
	<title>It is a bit of a jungle out there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268157420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For folks who enjoy building a system from scratch (myself included), it is a bit of a jungle out there.  Just like any other complex system, you must take a 'top-down' approach to defining what you want out of a computer, and slowly going down to the actual components.  I recently went through this myself, and did have to do a lot of research.  This strategy worked well for me:</p><p>Overall want:  Fast machine that won't break the bank.</p><p>Motherboard wants:<br>No integrated video (I game, so I know I'll be using an external video card, and don't want to waste motherboard real estate, nor generate heat, nor take up resources).<br>Onboard sound (I usually use a USB headset anyway, so the basic speaker set I have attached won't be used for much).<br>Onboard LAN (While not great for twitch-gaming, it will work just fine.  I play MMOs mostly).<br>SATA only or one EIDE port (I intended to transplant my current 500GiB hard drive and DVD drive, and upgrade them later, both are already SATA).<br>At least 1, accessable PCI slot (I have a TV card).<br>Good Linux compatibility (yes, I game on Linux.  This factors in with the items I do/don't want integrated on the motherboard).<br>2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots (later on, I will want to upgrade, and throwing another video card the same as my current one sounds like a pretty neat deal).</p><p>Processor Architecture:<br>Basically boils down to Intel or AMD.  I chose AMD, because I'm already running the amd64 version of Kubuntu on my machine with my old computer.  This will make transplanting it a little easier, but also AMD has a touch more 'bang-for-the-buck' in most reviews (as in, they are damn high on the graphs review websites make, and they are a lot cheaper than their Intel counterparts).  Deciding that, it became a choice of which type of AMD processor that's currently in their production lines.  I settled on their Phenom II AM3 95w version.  It's one of their 'newest' offerings, and appears to be the direction the company is intending to support.  That means I can get an upgrade or 2 out of my motherboard later on.  I noted that the Phenom II AM3 needs 2 sticks of RAM to work at it's best, and planned accordingly.</p><p>This information allowed me to pick my motherboard, processor, and memory.  ATI support on Linux has been poor in the past, and I've grown to favor Nvidia for this reason.  I grabbed a single, mid-high Nvidia card that has SLI support.</p><p>I will echo what other people have stated above; do not skimp on your power supply.  Get something that offers good, stable power to your components.  I attempted to cheap out once on a computer I built, and got to watch sparks fly out of the back of the PSU fan because of it (I was under the 450w it was said to support).  Usually, go big, go name brand, and look for the "supports SLI or Crossfire" stuff on it, will ensure a decent choice.  Also of note, a modular power supply is a very nice touch, but it does add a premium; one I'm willing to pay again after working with the one I just got.</p><p>There's a ton of choices out there now for system builders.  You can't just buy any motherboard, slap any processor and memory you have lying around into it and expect it to work.  Do your research, it's actually more 'fun' to go through the system build now than it was in the past, in my opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For folks who enjoy building a system from scratch ( myself included ) , it is a bit of a jungle out there .
Just like any other complex system , you must take a 'top-down ' approach to defining what you want out of a computer , and slowly going down to the actual components .
I recently went through this myself , and did have to do a lot of research .
This strategy worked well for me : Overall want : Fast machine that wo n't break the bank.Motherboard wants : No integrated video ( I game , so I know I 'll be using an external video card , and do n't want to waste motherboard real estate , nor generate heat , nor take up resources ) .Onboard sound ( I usually use a USB headset anyway , so the basic speaker set I have attached wo n't be used for much ) .Onboard LAN ( While not great for twitch-gaming , it will work just fine .
I play MMOs mostly ) .SATA only or one EIDE port ( I intended to transplant my current 500GiB hard drive and DVD drive , and upgrade them later , both are already SATA ) .At least 1 , accessable PCI slot ( I have a TV card ) .Good Linux compatibility ( yes , I game on Linux .
This factors in with the items I do/do n't want integrated on the motherboard ) .2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots ( later on , I will want to upgrade , and throwing another video card the same as my current one sounds like a pretty neat deal ) .Processor Architecture : Basically boils down to Intel or AMD .
I chose AMD , because I 'm already running the amd64 version of Kubuntu on my machine with my old computer .
This will make transplanting it a little easier , but also AMD has a touch more 'bang-for-the-buck ' in most reviews ( as in , they are damn high on the graphs review websites make , and they are a lot cheaper than their Intel counterparts ) .
Deciding that , it became a choice of which type of AMD processor that 's currently in their production lines .
I settled on their Phenom II AM3 95w version .
It 's one of their 'newest ' offerings , and appears to be the direction the company is intending to support .
That means I can get an upgrade or 2 out of my motherboard later on .
I noted that the Phenom II AM3 needs 2 sticks of RAM to work at it 's best , and planned accordingly.This information allowed me to pick my motherboard , processor , and memory .
ATI support on Linux has been poor in the past , and I 've grown to favor Nvidia for this reason .
I grabbed a single , mid-high Nvidia card that has SLI support.I will echo what other people have stated above ; do not skimp on your power supply .
Get something that offers good , stable power to your components .
I attempted to cheap out once on a computer I built , and got to watch sparks fly out of the back of the PSU fan because of it ( I was under the 450w it was said to support ) .
Usually , go big , go name brand , and look for the " supports SLI or Crossfire " stuff on it , will ensure a decent choice .
Also of note , a modular power supply is a very nice touch , but it does add a premium ; one I 'm willing to pay again after working with the one I just got.There 's a ton of choices out there now for system builders .
You ca n't just buy any motherboard , slap any processor and memory you have lying around into it and expect it to work .
Do your research , it 's actually more 'fun ' to go through the system build now than it was in the past , in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For folks who enjoy building a system from scratch (myself included), it is a bit of a jungle out there.
Just like any other complex system, you must take a 'top-down' approach to defining what you want out of a computer, and slowly going down to the actual components.
I recently went through this myself, and did have to do a lot of research.
This strategy worked well for me:Overall want:  Fast machine that won't break the bank.Motherboard wants:No integrated video (I game, so I know I'll be using an external video card, and don't want to waste motherboard real estate, nor generate heat, nor take up resources).Onboard sound (I usually use a USB headset anyway, so the basic speaker set I have attached won't be used for much).Onboard LAN (While not great for twitch-gaming, it will work just fine.
I play MMOs mostly).SATA only or one EIDE port (I intended to transplant my current 500GiB hard drive and DVD drive, and upgrade them later, both are already SATA).At least 1, accessable PCI slot (I have a TV card).Good Linux compatibility (yes, I game on Linux.
This factors in with the items I do/don't want integrated on the motherboard).2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots (later on, I will want to upgrade, and throwing another video card the same as my current one sounds like a pretty neat deal).Processor Architecture:Basically boils down to Intel or AMD.
I chose AMD, because I'm already running the amd64 version of Kubuntu on my machine with my old computer.
This will make transplanting it a little easier, but also AMD has a touch more 'bang-for-the-buck' in most reviews (as in, they are damn high on the graphs review websites make, and they are a lot cheaper than their Intel counterparts).
Deciding that, it became a choice of which type of AMD processor that's currently in their production lines.
I settled on their Phenom II AM3 95w version.
It's one of their 'newest' offerings, and appears to be the direction the company is intending to support.
That means I can get an upgrade or 2 out of my motherboard later on.
I noted that the Phenom II AM3 needs 2 sticks of RAM to work at it's best, and planned accordingly.This information allowed me to pick my motherboard, processor, and memory.
ATI support on Linux has been poor in the past, and I've grown to favor Nvidia for this reason.
I grabbed a single, mid-high Nvidia card that has SLI support.I will echo what other people have stated above; do not skimp on your power supply.
Get something that offers good, stable power to your components.
I attempted to cheap out once on a computer I built, and got to watch sparks fly out of the back of the PSU fan because of it (I was under the 450w it was said to support).
Usually, go big, go name brand, and look for the "supports SLI or Crossfire" stuff on it, will ensure a decent choice.
Also of note, a modular power supply is a very nice touch, but it does add a premium; one I'm willing to pay again after working with the one I just got.There's a ton of choices out there now for system builders.
You can't just buy any motherboard, slap any processor and memory you have lying around into it and expect it to work.
Do your research, it's actually more 'fun' to go through the system build now than it was in the past, in my opinion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31422538</id>
	<title>Round-ups and charts!</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1268151180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Skip the googling for reviewing and making sense of ad-laiden hardware sites with 25 pages of graphs.
<br> <br>
Find charts and round-ups, gives you a real fast comparission of different hardware.
<br> <br>
An example of a 'best graphics card for given money' kind of chart:
<a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569.html" title="tomshardware.com">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569.html</a> [tomshardware.com]
<br> <br>
Whatever is cheap, and well up the chart will do you just fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Skip the googling for reviewing and making sense of ad-laiden hardware sites with 25 pages of graphs .
Find charts and round-ups , gives you a real fast comparission of different hardware .
An example of a 'best graphics card for given money ' kind of chart : http : //www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569.html [ tomshardware.com ] Whatever is cheap , and well up the chart will do you just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Skip the googling for reviewing and making sense of ad-laiden hardware sites with 25 pages of graphs.
Find charts and round-ups, gives you a real fast comparission of different hardware.
An example of a 'best graphics card for given money' kind of chart:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2569.html [tomshardware.com]
 
Whatever is cheap, and well up the chart will do you just fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411690</id>
	<title>how do you buy a computer!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well, do as everyone does:<br>1) ask the tech guy (member of the family, friend<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... any relative actually, if you saw him once it's still okay to ask) for a custom build in a very tight price range<br>2) go to any supermarket and buy the first computer you find attractive<br>3) complain to the tech guy that computer never works properly and that comp science is bullsh!t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well , do as everyone does : 1 ) ask the tech guy ( member of the family , friend ... any relative actually , if you saw him once it 's still okay to ask ) for a custom build in a very tight price range2 ) go to any supermarket and buy the first computer you find attractive3 ) complain to the tech guy that computer never works properly and that comp science is bullsh ! t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well, do as everyone does:1) ask the tech guy (member of the family, friend ... any relative actually, if you saw him once it's still okay to ask) for a custom build in a very tight price range2) go to any supermarket and buy the first computer you find attractive3) complain to the tech guy that computer never works properly and that comp science is bullsh!t</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411510</id>
	<title>Ars technica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try the Ars technica system guide:<br>http://arstechnica.com/hardware/guides/2009/10/ars-system-guide-october-2009-edition.ars</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try the Ars technica system guide : http : //arstechnica.com/hardware/guides/2009/10/ars-system-guide-october-2009-edition.ars</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try the Ars technica system guide:http://arstechnica.com/hardware/guides/2009/10/ars-system-guide-october-2009-edition.ars</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412064</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>PCanonD</author>
	<datestamp>1268141700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Using (and developing apps for) Windows, Macs, Linux, Win Mobile, Palm, Blackberry and the iPhone, I must respectfully disagree with you on your anti-Mac recommendation.


They are not without flaws, as I don't know of any complex systems such as IT as being without any flaws of some sort.


However...that said...I have:
an iMac (G3) still faithfully fully running OS 10.3;
an eMac (G4) still faithfully fully running OS 10.4;
an iMac (G5) still faithfully fully running OS 10.5;
a MacBook Pro (Intel, 2007) still faithfully running OS 10.6;
a 2nd MacBook Pro (Intel, 2009) still faithfully running OS 10.6.
These machines cost me, at point of purchase (including Apple Care Protection Plan on the last three) under $10,000.  I've invested maybe $1000 in various hardware or software upgrades for the combined lot.  I have never had to reinstall the OS - ever.  On the total lot of machines, which represent 12+ years of Apple Innovation, I have had a total of 15 kernel panics.

On the two Mac Book Pros I run virtually, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 of various flavors.  The Windows OS runs better on Apple Hardware than it does on my two latest HP Machines (business class).


I also maintain a Win 2003 Enterprise server, and a separate Win 2008 Enterprise server, but I run both virtually from within Linux distros (Fedora and Ubuntu, respectively).


Users can certainly have a simplified UI experience with OS X, but to say that OS X takes a "dumbed down" approach is patently false.  OS X, out of the box ships with many more tools, features and uses than Windows does, at a fraction of the cost.


My point is that there are those of us who know that in our experience the Total Cost of Ownership is significantly lower when we invest in Apple Hardware and software, generally, than when we don't.

Next in my purchase que is a custom configured XServe that I fully expect to get at least as long of a life span out of that hardware as I have from my original iMac (1998).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using ( and developing apps for ) Windows , Macs , Linux , Win Mobile , Palm , Blackberry and the iPhone , I must respectfully disagree with you on your anti-Mac recommendation .
They are not without flaws , as I do n't know of any complex systems such as IT as being without any flaws of some sort .
However...that said...I have : an iMac ( G3 ) still faithfully fully running OS 10.3 ; an eMac ( G4 ) still faithfully fully running OS 10.4 ; an iMac ( G5 ) still faithfully fully running OS 10.5 ; a MacBook Pro ( Intel , 2007 ) still faithfully running OS 10.6 ; a 2nd MacBook Pro ( Intel , 2009 ) still faithfully running OS 10.6 .
These machines cost me , at point of purchase ( including Apple Care Protection Plan on the last three ) under $ 10,000 .
I 've invested maybe $ 1000 in various hardware or software upgrades for the combined lot .
I have never had to reinstall the OS - ever .
On the total lot of machines , which represent 12 + years of Apple Innovation , I have had a total of 15 kernel panics .
On the two Mac Book Pros I run virtually , Windows XP , Windows Vista and Windows 7 of various flavors .
The Windows OS runs better on Apple Hardware than it does on my two latest HP Machines ( business class ) .
I also maintain a Win 2003 Enterprise server , and a separate Win 2008 Enterprise server , but I run both virtually from within Linux distros ( Fedora and Ubuntu , respectively ) .
Users can certainly have a simplified UI experience with OS X , but to say that OS X takes a " dumbed down " approach is patently false .
OS X , out of the box ships with many more tools , features and uses than Windows does , at a fraction of the cost .
My point is that there are those of us who know that in our experience the Total Cost of Ownership is significantly lower when we invest in Apple Hardware and software , generally , than when we do n't .
Next in my purchase que is a custom configured XServe that I fully expect to get at least as long of a life span out of that hardware as I have from my original iMac ( 1998 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using (and developing apps for) Windows, Macs, Linux, Win Mobile, Palm, Blackberry and the iPhone, I must respectfully disagree with you on your anti-Mac recommendation.
They are not without flaws, as I don't know of any complex systems such as IT as being without any flaws of some sort.
However...that said...I have:
an iMac (G3) still faithfully fully running OS 10.3;
an eMac (G4) still faithfully fully running OS 10.4;
an iMac (G5) still faithfully fully running OS 10.5;
a MacBook Pro (Intel, 2007) still faithfully running OS 10.6;
a 2nd MacBook Pro (Intel, 2009) still faithfully running OS 10.6.
These machines cost me, at point of purchase (including Apple Care Protection Plan on the last three) under $10,000.
I've invested maybe $1000 in various hardware or software upgrades for the combined lot.
I have never had to reinstall the OS - ever.
On the total lot of machines, which represent 12+ years of Apple Innovation, I have had a total of 15 kernel panics.
On the two Mac Book Pros I run virtually, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 of various flavors.
The Windows OS runs better on Apple Hardware than it does on my two latest HP Machines (business class).
I also maintain a Win 2003 Enterprise server, and a separate Win 2008 Enterprise server, but I run both virtually from within Linux distros (Fedora and Ubuntu, respectively).
Users can certainly have a simplified UI experience with OS X, but to say that OS X takes a "dumbed down" approach is patently false.
OS X, out of the box ships with many more tools, features and uses than Windows does, at a fraction of the cost.
My point is that there are those of us who know that in our experience the Total Cost of Ownership is significantly lower when we invest in Apple Hardware and software, generally, than when we don't.
Next in my purchase que is a custom configured XServe that I fully expect to get at least as long of a life span out of that hardware as I have from my original iMac (1998).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414532</id>
	<title>AMD vs Intel</title>
	<author>inhuman\_4</author>
	<datestamp>1268153760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CPU choice comes down to this, do you want price/performance or just performance?</p><p>If you plot the price/performance for CPUs the results is non-linear. The more you pay the lower your price/performance.</p><p>Currently AMD dominates the lower end of the market. For this reason their CPUs will give you better price/performance. The last release of Windows is much faster then vista, so for most people there is no need to get a high performance CPU to compensate for bloat. For this reason AMD is the best choice for most people.</p><p>However if you need high performance because you do video games (although really CPU has little effect compared to the GPU), do video encoding, etc. Then it may be worth it to spend the extra bucks to get more power.</p><p>Decide what you are going to use the computer for. Make a budget. Then look at benchmarks for the apps you are going to run.</p><p>Trying to compare CPU performance based on the names on the box is a waste of time. The days of GHz vs GHz are over. It's all just marketing games now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CPU choice comes down to this , do you want price/performance or just performance ? If you plot the price/performance for CPUs the results is non-linear .
The more you pay the lower your price/performance.Currently AMD dominates the lower end of the market .
For this reason their CPUs will give you better price/performance .
The last release of Windows is much faster then vista , so for most people there is no need to get a high performance CPU to compensate for bloat .
For this reason AMD is the best choice for most people.However if you need high performance because you do video games ( although really CPU has little effect compared to the GPU ) , do video encoding , etc .
Then it may be worth it to spend the extra bucks to get more power.Decide what you are going to use the computer for .
Make a budget .
Then look at benchmarks for the apps you are going to run.Trying to compare CPU performance based on the names on the box is a waste of time .
The days of GHz vs GHz are over .
It 's all just marketing games now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CPU choice comes down to this, do you want price/performance or just performance?If you plot the price/performance for CPUs the results is non-linear.
The more you pay the lower your price/performance.Currently AMD dominates the lower end of the market.
For this reason their CPUs will give you better price/performance.
The last release of Windows is much faster then vista, so for most people there is no need to get a high performance CPU to compensate for bloat.
For this reason AMD is the best choice for most people.However if you need high performance because you do video games (although really CPU has little effect compared to the GPU), do video encoding, etc.
Then it may be worth it to spend the extra bucks to get more power.Decide what you are going to use the computer for.
Make a budget.
Then look at benchmarks for the apps you are going to run.Trying to compare CPU performance based on the names on the box is a waste of time.
The days of GHz vs GHz are over.
It's all just marketing games now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411590</id>
	<title>Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1268135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; how do you buy a computer these days?</p><p>Every 3 years, just before the warranty expires, I sell my current Mac, get half of what I paid for it (outrageous resale value!) and then I buy the updated version of that same Mac at the Apple Store. 3 years later I do that again. They're always smaller and faster and more rugged.</p><p>I know Macs have model numbers and I know they have CPU's which also have model numbers. I don't know any of those numbers.</p><p>The numbers I am concerned with all have to do with my work, which is music and art. I'm really happy to leave the I-T numbers to Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; how do you buy a computer these days ? Every 3 years , just before the warranty expires , I sell my current Mac , get half of what I paid for it ( outrageous resale value !
) and then I buy the updated version of that same Mac at the Apple Store .
3 years later I do that again .
They 're always smaller and faster and more rugged.I know Macs have model numbers and I know they have CPU 's which also have model numbers .
I do n't know any of those numbers.The numbers I am concerned with all have to do with my work , which is music and art .
I 'm really happy to leave the I-T numbers to Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; how do you buy a computer these days?Every 3 years, just before the warranty expires, I sell my current Mac, get half of what I paid for it (outrageous resale value!
) and then I buy the updated version of that same Mac at the Apple Store.
3 years later I do that again.
They're always smaller and faster and more rugged.I know Macs have model numbers and I know they have CPU's which also have model numbers.
I don't know any of those numbers.The numbers I am concerned with all have to do with my work, which is music and art.
I'm really happy to leave the I-T numbers to Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411548</id>
	<title>Steps...</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1268134620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Set a budget.</p><p>2. Define the expected result. E.g. you want to run Oblivion at minimum 30fps with all details maxed out at 1920x1080.</p><p>3. Research what components will achieve the expected result.</p><p>If you don't want to do the research, then scratch all of the above and spend a ton of money to be sure it will be fast enough for your purposes.</p><p>This has not changed much in the 25+ years I've been working with computers. And it's not likely to change, computers are general purpose tools. You need to know what you will use it for and determine the performance required. Based on this you will know what components you need. This is not rocket science, but a little effort will let you save some money while getting the performance you need.</p><p>Or just go buy a console. Seriously, why is this posted on slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Set a budget.2 .
Define the expected result .
E.g. you want to run Oblivion at minimum 30fps with all details maxed out at 1920x1080.3 .
Research what components will achieve the expected result.If you do n't want to do the research , then scratch all of the above and spend a ton of money to be sure it will be fast enough for your purposes.This has not changed much in the 25 + years I 've been working with computers .
And it 's not likely to change , computers are general purpose tools .
You need to know what you will use it for and determine the performance required .
Based on this you will know what components you need .
This is not rocket science , but a little effort will let you save some money while getting the performance you need.Or just go buy a console .
Seriously , why is this posted on slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Set a budget.2.
Define the expected result.
E.g. you want to run Oblivion at minimum 30fps with all details maxed out at 1920x1080.3.
Research what components will achieve the expected result.If you don't want to do the research, then scratch all of the above and spend a ton of money to be sure it will be fast enough for your purposes.This has not changed much in the 25+ years I've been working with computers.
And it's not likely to change, computers are general purpose tools.
You need to know what you will use it for and determine the performance required.
Based on this you will know what components you need.
This is not rocket science, but a little effort will let you save some money while getting the performance you need.Or just go buy a console.
Seriously, why is this posted on slashdot?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412140</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>grommit</author>
	<datestamp>1268142240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's funny because the front page of tweakguides.com has zero notices for ATI right now and has two for Nvidia.  One for a driver release and one for Nvidia pulling that driver release because of overheating problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's funny because the front page of tweakguides.com has zero notices for ATI right now and has two for Nvidia .
One for a driver release and one for Nvidia pulling that driver release because of overheating problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's funny because the front page of tweakguides.com has zero notices for ATI right now and has two for Nvidia.
One for a driver release and one for Nvidia pulling that driver release because of overheating problems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411842</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412438</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>the\_B0fh</author>
	<datestamp>1268144760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never get why people call macs dumbed down.  I can use all the open source goodness that I want with macports.  The native utilities from unix are all there.  The complexities are designed away whenever possible.  These are all *GOOD* things, people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never get why people call macs dumbed down .
I can use all the open source goodness that I want with macports .
The native utilities from unix are all there .
The complexities are designed away whenever possible .
These are all * GOOD * things , people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never get why people call macs dumbed down.
I can use all the open source goodness that I want with macports.
The native utilities from unix are all there.
The complexities are designed away whenever possible.
These are all *GOOD* things, people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412346</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>cherokee158</author>
	<datestamp>1268144100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is quite true that they hold their resell value: the G5 towers are still trading hands for the cost of a new midrange PC...which is madness, since they are completely obsolete, and many models were prone to problems with their liquid cooling.</p><p>I've owned Macs since my first Quadra, but this year I'm ditching them for a PC. I feel that Apple is no longer committed to making good computers...they want to make consumer toys. The brand has eclipsed the product.</p><p>IF you take a closer look at the little model numbers, it doesn't take long to see that you are paying twice as much for the hardware as you need to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is quite true that they hold their resell value : the G5 towers are still trading hands for the cost of a new midrange PC...which is madness , since they are completely obsolete , and many models were prone to problems with their liquid cooling.I 've owned Macs since my first Quadra , but this year I 'm ditching them for a PC .
I feel that Apple is no longer committed to making good computers...they want to make consumer toys .
The brand has eclipsed the product.IF you take a closer look at the little model numbers , it does n't take long to see that you are paying twice as much for the hardware as you need to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is quite true that they hold their resell value: the G5 towers are still trading hands for the cost of a new midrange PC...which is madness, since they are completely obsolete, and many models were prone to problems with their liquid cooling.I've owned Macs since my first Quadra, but this year I'm ditching them for a PC.
I feel that Apple is no longer committed to making good computers...they want to make consumer toys.
The brand has eclipsed the product.IF you take a closer look at the little model numbers, it doesn't take long to see that you are paying twice as much for the hardware as you need to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412538</id>
	<title>These helped me</title>
	<author>jalefkowit</author>
	<datestamp>1268145180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have found these resources indispensable in figuring out how modern CPUs and GPUs compare to each other:</p><ul>
<li> <a href="http://emsai.net/reviews/cpu/" title="emsai.net">EmSai CPU Chart</a> [emsai.net] </li><li> <a href="http://emsai.net/reviews/gpu/" title="emsai.net">EmSai GPU Chart</a> [emsai.net] </li></ul><p>... primarily because these tables are dynamic: find the part you're currently using (or want to use as your baseline for comparison) in the table, click on it, and then all the other parts in the table are immediately color-coded as to how much of a step forwards or backwards they are from that part, based on a normalized performance rating.</p><p>(It's pathetic that the marketing departments at the companies that make these things are so incompetent that we need tools like these to sort out what exactly they're selling us, but until they get on the ball I'm glad these tools exist.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have found these resources indispensable in figuring out how modern CPUs and GPUs compare to each other : EmSai CPU Chart [ emsai.net ] EmSai GPU Chart [ emsai.net ] ... primarily because these tables are dynamic : find the part you 're currently using ( or want to use as your baseline for comparison ) in the table , click on it , and then all the other parts in the table are immediately color-coded as to how much of a step forwards or backwards they are from that part , based on a normalized performance rating .
( It 's pathetic that the marketing departments at the companies that make these things are so incompetent that we need tools like these to sort out what exactly they 're selling us , but until they get on the ball I 'm glad these tools exist .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have found these resources indispensable in figuring out how modern CPUs and GPUs compare to each other:
 EmSai CPU Chart [emsai.net]  EmSai GPU Chart [emsai.net] ... primarily because these tables are dynamic: find the part you're currently using (or want to use as your baseline for comparison) in the table, click on it, and then all the other parts in the table are immediately color-coded as to how much of a step forwards or backwards they are from that part, based on a normalized performance rating.
(It's pathetic that the marketing departments at the companies that make these things are so incompetent that we need tools like these to sort out what exactly they're selling us, but until they get on the ball I'm glad these tools exist.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411984</id>
	<title>MySuperPc.com</title>
	<author>wrwetzel</author>
	<datestamp>1268140920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found

   <a href="http://mysuperpc.com/" title="mysuperpc.com" rel="nofollow">http://mysuperpc.com/</a> [mysuperpc.com]

very helpful the last time I built a pc from scratch. I have no connection with the site, just appreciate the advice.

Bill</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found http : //mysuperpc.com/ [ mysuperpc.com ] very helpful the last time I built a pc from scratch .
I have no connection with the site , just appreciate the advice .
Bill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found

   http://mysuperpc.com/ [mysuperpc.com]

very helpful the last time I built a pc from scratch.
I have no connection with the site, just appreciate the advice.
Bill</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411630</id>
	<title>Just buy a complete machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just find a reputable computer seller and order a machine that fits your budget. It'll probably run whatever you need it to run. If Oblivion is the heaviest game you're going to run, you can be done for about $500 probably.</p><p>If you don't want the same boring standard machine that everybody else has, then you'll have to do some research. I did that 2 years ago. My main resource was <a href="http://silentpcreview.com/" title="silentpcreview.com">Silent PC Review</a> [silentpcreview.com] because I was tired of my old jet-engine-soundalike. <a href="http://anandtech.com/" title="anandtech.com">AnandTech</a> [anandtech.com] is also a good source, as is <a href="http://tweakers.net/" title="tweakers.net">Tweakers</a> [tweakers.net], if you happen to be Dutch. Lots of articles on those sites will refer to Tom's Hardware, which does benchmark graphs, but really, just get what everybody's recommending.</p><p>Two years ago, I went with:</p><ul> <li> Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (brand new at the time, very fast, very low power usage, therefore little heat) with a passive Scythe Ninja cooler,</li><li>ATI HD3850 (new, powerful, not overly expensive, good for all games expect Crysis, low power usage when not doing 3D stuff) from Peak (cheaper than other HD3850s because they had a badly fitted cooler which I was going to replace anyway) with passive Accelero S1 cooler (very effective passive cooler, and very cheap).</li><li>Seasonic S12II-380 power supply (SeaSonic has the quietest PSUs, and 380 W is more than enough for a modern PC that doesn't try to waste as much power as possible),</li><li>Antec Solo case (Antec makes the quietest cases, but stay away from their power supplies)</li><li>Some new Samsung harddisk that everybody else was using too.</li><li>Some Gigabyte motherboard with P35 chipset, which was what you needed two years ago</li></ul><p>All of this cost me about EUR 1000. Very happy with it. Dead quiet, too. Mind you, this is from 2 years ago. There's probably better, cheaper, quieter, faster stuff around now, but I'm not keeping up.</p><p>As for the dual core/quad core stuff: how many heavy CPU-using applications will you be running at the same time? Will your heaviest applications be able to make efficient use of multiple cores? If you don't know, go with dual core. One for the main app, one for everything else. No need to have to extra cores that are only idling all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just find a reputable computer seller and order a machine that fits your budget .
It 'll probably run whatever you need it to run .
If Oblivion is the heaviest game you 're going to run , you can be done for about $ 500 probably.If you do n't want the same boring standard machine that everybody else has , then you 'll have to do some research .
I did that 2 years ago .
My main resource was Silent PC Review [ silentpcreview.com ] because I was tired of my old jet-engine-soundalike .
AnandTech [ anandtech.com ] is also a good source , as is Tweakers [ tweakers.net ] , if you happen to be Dutch .
Lots of articles on those sites will refer to Tom 's Hardware , which does benchmark graphs , but really , just get what everybody 's recommending.Two years ago , I went with : Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 ( brand new at the time , very fast , very low power usage , therefore little heat ) with a passive Scythe Ninja cooler,ATI HD3850 ( new , powerful , not overly expensive , good for all games expect Crysis , low power usage when not doing 3D stuff ) from Peak ( cheaper than other HD3850s because they had a badly fitted cooler which I was going to replace anyway ) with passive Accelero S1 cooler ( very effective passive cooler , and very cheap ) .Seasonic S12II-380 power supply ( SeaSonic has the quietest PSUs , and 380 W is more than enough for a modern PC that does n't try to waste as much power as possible ) ,Antec Solo case ( Antec makes the quietest cases , but stay away from their power supplies ) Some new Samsung harddisk that everybody else was using too.Some Gigabyte motherboard with P35 chipset , which was what you needed two years agoAll of this cost me about EUR 1000 .
Very happy with it .
Dead quiet , too .
Mind you , this is from 2 years ago .
There 's probably better , cheaper , quieter , faster stuff around now , but I 'm not keeping up.As for the dual core/quad core stuff : how many heavy CPU-using applications will you be running at the same time ?
Will your heaviest applications be able to make efficient use of multiple cores ?
If you do n't know , go with dual core .
One for the main app , one for everything else .
No need to have to extra cores that are only idling all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just find a reputable computer seller and order a machine that fits your budget.
It'll probably run whatever you need it to run.
If Oblivion is the heaviest game you're going to run, you can be done for about $500 probably.If you don't want the same boring standard machine that everybody else has, then you'll have to do some research.
I did that 2 years ago.
My main resource was Silent PC Review [silentpcreview.com] because I was tired of my old jet-engine-soundalike.
AnandTech [anandtech.com] is also a good source, as is Tweakers [tweakers.net], if you happen to be Dutch.
Lots of articles on those sites will refer to Tom's Hardware, which does benchmark graphs, but really, just get what everybody's recommending.Two years ago, I went with:  Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (brand new at the time, very fast, very low power usage, therefore little heat) with a passive Scythe Ninja cooler,ATI HD3850 (new, powerful, not overly expensive, good for all games expect Crysis, low power usage when not doing 3D stuff) from Peak (cheaper than other HD3850s because they had a badly fitted cooler which I was going to replace anyway) with passive Accelero S1 cooler (very effective passive cooler, and very cheap).Seasonic S12II-380 power supply (SeaSonic has the quietest PSUs, and 380 W is more than enough for a modern PC that doesn't try to waste as much power as possible),Antec Solo case (Antec makes the quietest cases, but stay away from their power supplies)Some new Samsung harddisk that everybody else was using too.Some Gigabyte motherboard with P35 chipset, which was what you needed two years agoAll of this cost me about EUR 1000.
Very happy with it.
Dead quiet, too.
Mind you, this is from 2 years ago.
There's probably better, cheaper, quieter, faster stuff around now, but I'm not keeping up.As for the dual core/quad core stuff: how many heavy CPU-using applications will you be running at the same time?
Will your heaviest applications be able to make efficient use of multiple cores?
If you don't know, go with dual core.
One for the main app, one for everything else.
No need to have to extra cores that are only idling all the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413810</id>
	<title>Simple: Don't</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1268150880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tried. It has been 3 months without a desktop and counting.</p><p>Unless you want to get a high-end gaming rig, just don't do it. I tried to do a desktop for about $600 (re-using my monitors), and while my parts came under the cost, it still doesn't work.</p><p>I tried soo hard to make everything compatible. I even spent extra time reading all of the reviews, buying brand-name hardware, I even read every product manuals before purchasing. I work as an electrical design engineer, so I figured this should be relatively easy. I have built 4 other computers before, so how hard could it be.</p><p>3 MONTHS. $50 in shipping/RMA/Thermal Grease/ect. 50 hours of my life. Gone. If I would have bought a Dell, I would be up and running by now. Endless hours working with customer service representitives, nobody able to tell me how to resolve it.</p><p>XP/Vista: Can't install (BSOD when trying to boot into the install)<br>XP on a pre-installed HDD: BSOD during the boot cycle (Possibly on the agp driver dll.)<br>Windows 7: Can install, but won't boot 90\% of the time (BSOD during boot. Usually talking about an instruction trying to access memory that is out of bounds, but the BSOD varies). (Legit version of windows 7)<br>RMA mobo twice (once to newegg, once to Gigabyte). RMA'd the ram once. Bought different brand of RAM.<br>Ubuntu: Works fine, but I can't install my $$ CAD/Schematic programs.</p><p>RAM: F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231193)<br>MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128392)<br>CPU: AMD Phenom X2 550 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103680)<br>Video: Radeon HD 4650 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102843)<br>Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600 watts (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341017)</p><p>There is NO REASON that these parts shouldn't work together. I'm about to throw $650 down the drain and buy a dell because I can't solve this problem. I'm going out to buy a crappy video card and make sure it isn't somehow related to that, but again I will be throwing away $30.</p><p>There is no reason to build a PC unless you are going for a high end gaming machine. It is not worth the frustration. Sure, I may be a fringe case, but do YOU want to risk being a fringe case that customer service doesn't care about.</p><p>Call or email customer service<br>"Well, we can't figure it out, go to www.RMA\_THIS\_CRAP.com to return the part"<br>Spend $10 on shipping<br>Wait 3 weeks<br>Install the hardware, update the OS and drivers (takes about 5 hours to get everything up and running again)<br>get the same problem.<br>Cry<br>rinse, repeat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried .
It has been 3 months without a desktop and counting.Unless you want to get a high-end gaming rig , just do n't do it .
I tried to do a desktop for about $ 600 ( re-using my monitors ) , and while my parts came under the cost , it still does n't work.I tried soo hard to make everything compatible .
I even spent extra time reading all of the reviews , buying brand-name hardware , I even read every product manuals before purchasing .
I work as an electrical design engineer , so I figured this should be relatively easy .
I have built 4 other computers before , so how hard could it be.3 MONTHS .
$ 50 in shipping/RMA/Thermal Grease/ect .
50 hours of my life .
Gone. If I would have bought a Dell , I would be up and running by now .
Endless hours working with customer service representitives , nobody able to tell me how to resolve it.XP/Vista : Ca n't install ( BSOD when trying to boot into the install ) XP on a pre-installed HDD : BSOD during the boot cycle ( Possibly on the agp driver dll .
) Windows 7 : Can install , but wo n't boot 90 \ % of the time ( BSOD during boot .
Usually talking about an instruction trying to access memory that is out of bounds , but the BSOD varies ) .
( Legit version of windows 7 ) RMA mobo twice ( once to newegg , once to Gigabyte ) .
RMA 'd the ram once .
Bought different brand of RAM.Ubuntu : Works fine , but I ca n't install my $ $ CAD/Schematic programs.RAM : F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ ( http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231193 ) MOBO : GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P ( http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128392 ) CPU : AMD Phenom X2 550 ( http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103680 ) Video : Radeon HD 4650 ( http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102843 ) Power Supply : OCZ ModXStream Pro 600 watts ( http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341017 ) There is NO REASON that these parts should n't work together .
I 'm about to throw $ 650 down the drain and buy a dell because I ca n't solve this problem .
I 'm going out to buy a crappy video card and make sure it is n't somehow related to that , but again I will be throwing away $ 30.There is no reason to build a PC unless you are going for a high end gaming machine .
It is not worth the frustration .
Sure , I may be a fringe case , but do YOU want to risk being a fringe case that customer service does n't care about.Call or email customer service " Well , we ca n't figure it out , go to www.RMA \ _THIS \ _CRAP.com to return the part " Spend $ 10 on shippingWait 3 weeksInstall the hardware , update the OS and drivers ( takes about 5 hours to get everything up and running again ) get the same problem.Cryrinse , repeat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried.
It has been 3 months without a desktop and counting.Unless you want to get a high-end gaming rig, just don't do it.
I tried to do a desktop for about $600 (re-using my monitors), and while my parts came under the cost, it still doesn't work.I tried soo hard to make everything compatible.
I even spent extra time reading all of the reviews, buying brand-name hardware, I even read every product manuals before purchasing.
I work as an electrical design engineer, so I figured this should be relatively easy.
I have built 4 other computers before, so how hard could it be.3 MONTHS.
$50 in shipping/RMA/Thermal Grease/ect.
50 hours of my life.
Gone. If I would have bought a Dell, I would be up and running by now.
Endless hours working with customer service representitives, nobody able to tell me how to resolve it.XP/Vista: Can't install (BSOD when trying to boot into the install)XP on a pre-installed HDD: BSOD during the boot cycle (Possibly on the agp driver dll.
)Windows 7: Can install, but won't boot 90\% of the time (BSOD during boot.
Usually talking about an instruction trying to access memory that is out of bounds, but the BSOD varies).
(Legit version of windows 7)RMA mobo twice (once to newegg, once to Gigabyte).
RMA'd the ram once.
Bought different brand of RAM.Ubuntu: Works fine, but I can't install my $$ CAD/Schematic programs.RAM: F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231193)MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128392)CPU: AMD Phenom X2 550 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103680)Video: Radeon HD 4650 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102843)Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream Pro 600 watts (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341017)There is NO REASON that these parts shouldn't work together.
I'm about to throw $650 down the drain and buy a dell because I can't solve this problem.
I'm going out to buy a crappy video card and make sure it isn't somehow related to that, but again I will be throwing away $30.There is no reason to build a PC unless you are going for a high end gaming machine.
It is not worth the frustration.
Sure, I may be a fringe case, but do YOU want to risk being a fringe case that customer service doesn't care about.Call or email customer service"Well, we can't figure it out, go to www.RMA\_THIS\_CRAP.com to return the part"Spend $10 on shippingWait 3 weeksInstall the hardware, update the OS and drivers (takes about 5 hours to get everything up and running again)get the same problem.Cryrinse, repeat</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412490</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other words, you are unable to build your own PC and you feel butthurt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , you are unable to build your own PC and you feel butthurt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, you are unable to build your own PC and you feel butthurt.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412108</id>
	<title>Buy a ipad</title>
	<author>leuk\_he</author>
	<datestamp>1268142060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has some magic included, but the number of the cpu is secret</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has some magic included , but the number of the cpu is secret</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has some magic included, but the number of the cpu is secret</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416462</id>
	<title>Re:Quite Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268160780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Driver support is mostly <b>flacky</b>/buggy for newest technologies</p></div></blockquote><p>If had drivers that didn't work, I've had them crash the system, but I've never had any that fire anti-aircraft guns at me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Driver support is mostly flacky/buggy for newest technologiesIf had drivers that did n't work , I 've had them crash the system , but I 've never had any that fire anti-aircraft guns at me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Driver support is mostly flacky/buggy for newest technologiesIf had drivers that didn't work, I've had them crash the system, but I've never had any that fire anti-aircraft guns at me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414302</id>
	<title>Re:Sillier than you know...</title>
	<author>darkpixel2k</author>
	<datestamp>1268152860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pricewatch wanted to test their servers against brute force attacks. The site's still up, so if it can survive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. it can survive anything.</p></div><p>
If you can dodge a slashdotting, you can dodge a DDOS.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pricewatch wanted to test their servers against brute force attacks .
The site 's still up , so if it can survive / .
it can survive anything .
If you can dodge a slashdotting , you can dodge a DDOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pricewatch wanted to test their servers against brute force attacks.
The site's still up, so if it can survive /.
it can survive anything.
If you can dodge a slashdotting, you can dodge a DDOS.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412352</id>
	<title>I, for one ..</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1268144160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it is a server I ask the networking department to give me something with many processors and a lot of memory. (if it is for something specific - not just an other web server - then I might get more specific).</p><p>If it is a desktop I go to the Apple store and buy something that has enough memory, or space for enough memory, and does not have a display permanently attached to it (unless it is a laptop)</p><p>If it is a PC for home, then it will run Linux anyway, so I just make sure it does use as little juice as possible....  my linux box is an NSLU2 and a WRT54G (v1.0)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. and they are low power....</p><p>If it is a game PC I check the most advanced 1st person shooter's optimal requirements, and try to aim somewhere there. Then put the PC together, start it a few times, and never ever turn it on again until it is old enough to put Linux on it. I always have this fantasy of playing a lot, and having a nice fast windows machine, but then I realize, that I do not like any of the new games after I have all the expensive input devices too. I do that every 6-7 years, then I realize how much more I enjoy doing anything else other than staying +x hours in front of a video game.</p><p>At least these are the choices I made regarding computer purchases in the last 3 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is a server I ask the networking department to give me something with many processors and a lot of memory .
( if it is for something specific - not just an other web server - then I might get more specific ) .If it is a desktop I go to the Apple store and buy something that has enough memory , or space for enough memory , and does not have a display permanently attached to it ( unless it is a laptop ) If it is a PC for home , then it will run Linux anyway , so I just make sure it does use as little juice as possible.... my linux box is an NSLU2 and a WRT54G ( v1.0 ) .. and they are low power....If it is a game PC I check the most advanced 1st person shooter 's optimal requirements , and try to aim somewhere there .
Then put the PC together , start it a few times , and never ever turn it on again until it is old enough to put Linux on it .
I always have this fantasy of playing a lot , and having a nice fast windows machine , but then I realize , that I do not like any of the new games after I have all the expensive input devices too .
I do that every 6-7 years , then I realize how much more I enjoy doing anything else other than staying + x hours in front of a video game.At least these are the choices I made regarding computer purchases in the last 3 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is a server I ask the networking department to give me something with many processors and a lot of memory.
(if it is for something specific - not just an other web server - then I might get more specific).If it is a desktop I go to the Apple store and buy something that has enough memory, or space for enough memory, and does not have a display permanently attached to it (unless it is a laptop)If it is a PC for home, then it will run Linux anyway, so I just make sure it does use as little juice as possible....  my linux box is an NSLU2 and a WRT54G (v1.0) .. and they are low power....If it is a game PC I check the most advanced 1st person shooter's optimal requirements, and try to aim somewhere there.
Then put the PC together, start it a few times, and never ever turn it on again until it is old enough to put Linux on it.
I always have this fantasy of playing a lot, and having a nice fast windows machine, but then I realize, that I do not like any of the new games after I have all the expensive input devices too.
I do that every 6-7 years, then I realize how much more I enjoy doing anything else other than staying +x hours in front of a video game.At least these are the choices I made regarding computer purchases in the last 3 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414792</id>
	<title>My solution to the same dillema</title>
	<author>Evtim</author>
	<datestamp>1268154660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had the same dilemma recently and I wanted the same as you &amp;ndash; Oblivion. I did not want expensive stuff.<br><br>First I learned that i3 CPU goes well with H55 chip set for Hi-def video. Both components have integrated logic for video and audio streaming and decoding. I also learned that not every software player out there would use those integrated logics.<br><br>Second, Oblivion is already an old game, but it is very hungry on VRAM. Thus I got ATI 5770 (medium price range) with 1GB VRAM<br><br>HDD, case and power supply I already had (750GB Samsung, 450W Corsair)<br><br>Memory &amp;ndash; 2x2 GB OCZ &amp;ndash; that was pricey (and Oblivion would use only 2 gigs anyway, AFIK). I don&amp;rsquo;t even know the exact model of the memory, I just asked for the best memory in the shop.<br><br>OS &amp;ndash; Win 7 Home 64bit<br><br>However (in case you are new to game) the most crucial thing to do is install a myriad of mods that improve the game beyond belief. I just red the article below and then went and selected one mod per category based on feedback and forum discussions.<br><br>http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Must\_Have\_Mods<br><br>Sure, there were some conflicts between the mods but he Mod manager can identify and report them so you can select a set of mods that will work. The game now is prettier (QTP3 mod), faster!!!, much better leveling system (Francesco's mod), much better UI (DarkN mod), more hot keys and customization (Expanded Hot keys and Spell Delete mod), more music, better ambient sounds and much better magic system (Less annoying magic experience mod).<br><br>And all this for free! What can I say? I love the Internet, I love human creativity, I love when I see so much effort to provide great satisfaction for FREE! Beteshda are lazy amateurs compared to these guys out there. The game should cost 10 bucks maximum and when 2-3 years later the mods are compelling people to keep on playing and buying the game for even more years, those modders should get another 10 bucks from the gamers. I mean the QTP3 mod is downloaded by hundreds of thousands of people! Charge 3 bucks per copy and you are a millionaire&amp;#8230;.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the same dilemma recently and I wanted the same as you    Oblivion .
I did not want expensive stuff.First I learned that i3 CPU goes well with H55 chip set for Hi-def video .
Both components have integrated logic for video and audio streaming and decoding .
I also learned that not every software player out there would use those integrated logics.Second , Oblivion is already an old game , but it is very hungry on VRAM .
Thus I got ATI 5770 ( medium price range ) with 1GB VRAMHDD , case and power supply I already had ( 750GB Samsung , 450W Corsair ) Memory    2x2 GB OCZ    that was pricey ( and Oblivion would use only 2 gigs anyway , AFIK ) .
I don    t even know the exact model of the memory , I just asked for the best memory in the shop.OS    Win 7 Home 64bitHowever ( in case you are new to game ) the most crucial thing to do is install a myriad of mods that improve the game beyond belief .
I just red the article below and then went and selected one mod per category based on feedback and forum discussions.http : //www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion : Must \ _Have \ _ModsSure , there were some conflicts between the mods but he Mod manager can identify and report them so you can select a set of mods that will work .
The game now is prettier ( QTP3 mod ) , faster ! !
! , much better leveling system ( Francesco 's mod ) , much better UI ( DarkN mod ) , more hot keys and customization ( Expanded Hot keys and Spell Delete mod ) , more music , better ambient sounds and much better magic system ( Less annoying magic experience mod ) .And all this for free !
What can I say ?
I love the Internet , I love human creativity , I love when I see so much effort to provide great satisfaction for FREE !
Beteshda are lazy amateurs compared to these guys out there .
The game should cost 10 bucks maximum and when 2-3 years later the mods are compelling people to keep on playing and buying the game for even more years , those modders should get another 10 bucks from the gamers .
I mean the QTP3 mod is downloaded by hundreds of thousands of people !
Charge 3 bucks per copy and you are a millionaire    .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the same dilemma recently and I wanted the same as you – Oblivion.
I did not want expensive stuff.First I learned that i3 CPU goes well with H55 chip set for Hi-def video.
Both components have integrated logic for video and audio streaming and decoding.
I also learned that not every software player out there would use those integrated logics.Second, Oblivion is already an old game, but it is very hungry on VRAM.
Thus I got ATI 5770 (medium price range) with 1GB VRAMHDD, case and power supply I already had (750GB Samsung, 450W Corsair)Memory – 2x2 GB OCZ – that was pricey (and Oblivion would use only 2 gigs anyway, AFIK).
I don’t even know the exact model of the memory, I just asked for the best memory in the shop.OS – Win 7 Home 64bitHowever (in case you are new to game) the most crucial thing to do is install a myriad of mods that improve the game beyond belief.
I just red the article below and then went and selected one mod per category based on feedback and forum discussions.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Must\_Have\_ModsSure, there were some conflicts between the mods but he Mod manager can identify and report them so you can select a set of mods that will work.
The game now is prettier (QTP3 mod), faster!!
!, much better leveling system (Francesco's mod), much better UI (DarkN mod), more hot keys and customization (Expanded Hot keys and Spell Delete mod), more music, better ambient sounds and much better magic system (Less annoying magic experience mod).And all this for free!
What can I say?
I love the Internet, I love human creativity, I love when I see so much effort to provide great satisfaction for FREE!
Beteshda are lazy amateurs compared to these guys out there.
The game should cost 10 bucks maximum and when 2-3 years later the mods are compelling people to keep on playing and buying the game for even more years, those modders should get another 10 bucks from the gamers.
I mean the QTP3 mod is downloaded by hundreds of thousands of people!
Charge 3 bucks per copy and you are a millionaire….</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411466</id>
	<title>Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268133900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anything moderately current will do anything you want. It doesn't really matter what you choose.
So set yourself a budget and buy something that fits within that. It will probably do fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything moderately current will do anything you want .
It does n't really matter what you choose .
So set yourself a budget and buy something that fits within that .
It will probably do fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything moderately current will do anything you want.
It doesn't really matter what you choose.
So set yourself a budget and buy something that fits within that.
It will probably do fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415026</id>
	<title>Samsung monitor model number decoding?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1268155440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On this topic, has anyone ever figured out any pattern to Samsung's computer monitor model numbers? They have a large number of them but I've never made much sense of all the numbers or suffixes, beyond the first two digits sometimes being the diagonal in inches.

</p><p>Here are a few from my list of those that are 1680x1050:

</p><p>206BW<br>
2032NW<br>
2043WM<br>
2043BW<br>
2043EW<br>
2043FW<br>
2043NW<br>
2043BWX<br>
<br>
226BW<br>
T220HD<br>
2253LW<br>
2253BW<br>
220WM<br>
225BW<br>
2243BWX<br>
2220WM<br>
2243BWT<br>
216BW<br>
2243WM<br>
225UW<br>
2233RZ</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On this topic , has anyone ever figured out any pattern to Samsung 's computer monitor model numbers ?
They have a large number of them but I 've never made much sense of all the numbers or suffixes , beyond the first two digits sometimes being the diagonal in inches .
Here are a few from my list of those that are 1680x1050 : 206BW 2032NW 2043WM 2043BW 2043EW 2043FW 2043NW 2043BWX 226BW T220HD 2253LW 2253BW 220WM 225BW 2243BWX 2220WM 2243BWT 216BW 2243WM 225UW 2233RZ</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On this topic, has anyone ever figured out any pattern to Samsung's computer monitor model numbers?
They have a large number of them but I've never made much sense of all the numbers or suffixes, beyond the first two digits sometimes being the diagonal in inches.
Here are a few from my list of those that are 1680x1050:

206BW
2032NW
2043WM
2043BW
2043EW
2043FW
2043NW
2043BWX

226BW
T220HD
2253LW
2253BW
220WM
225BW
2243BWX
2220WM
2243BWT
216BW
2243WM
225UW
2233RZ</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415150</id>
	<title>Why not get a PS3?</title>
	<author>thewils</author>
	<datestamp>1268155800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a thought, but the PS3 will give you 1080p, play games, music, videos, photos etc., includes a Blu-ray player and you can buy lots of gizmos for it all for well under the price of a new PC. It looks a lot cleaner too, since all it requires is one power and one HDMI cable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a thought , but the PS3 will give you 1080p , play games , music , videos , photos etc. , includes a Blu-ray player and you can buy lots of gizmos for it all for well under the price of a new PC .
It looks a lot cleaner too , since all it requires is one power and one HDMI cable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a thought, but the PS3 will give you 1080p, play games, music, videos, photos etc., includes a Blu-ray player and you can buy lots of gizmos for it all for well under the price of a new PC.
It looks a lot cleaner too, since all it requires is one power and one HDMI cable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412198</id>
	<title>What are your needs?</title>
	<author>inkrypted</author>
	<datestamp>1268142600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find that when I build a new system I first think about what I will be doing most IE: video editing, gaming, etc and design my system around that. AMD or Intel let the fanboys fight that out both are good choices and have certain advantages. yes you will need to do research tom's hardware is always a good choice for getting information that does not sound like a foreign language. Also read the Newegg reviews for products you are thinking of purchasing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find that when I build a new system I first think about what I will be doing most IE : video editing , gaming , etc and design my system around that .
AMD or Intel let the fanboys fight that out both are good choices and have certain advantages .
yes you will need to do research tom 's hardware is always a good choice for getting information that does not sound like a foreign language .
Also read the Newegg reviews for products you are thinking of purchasing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find that when I build a new system I first think about what I will be doing most IE: video editing, gaming, etc and design my system around that.
AMD or Intel let the fanboys fight that out both are good choices and have certain advantages.
yes you will need to do research tom's hardware is always a good choice for getting information that does not sound like a foreign language.
Also read the Newegg reviews for products you are thinking of purchasing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411754</id>
	<title>My Experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently built my own computer for similar purposes. I needed a box that would download things all day and output via HDMI to my TV, but I placed an extra constraint on my system: Linux compatibility, or at least a reasonable degree of compatibility. So, I researched available parts, using price as the first method of siphoning all the dreck. I live in China, so, for example, the processor's price ranged from a few hundred yuan (about 50 bucks) to about four thousand yuan (closer to $500). I decided not to pay more than 400 yuan for my processor, and right there, I cut out about 90\% of the processors I had to research. I decided from then that I wanted a 64-bit processor and I would only look at the top 3 FSB's out of those processors, and I chose Intel because my previous experiences with Linux and AMD procs was somewhat dubious. Everything else kind of fell into place after simply choosing the proc, save for the GPU, which I chose for it's Native HDMI port, high-ish (1GB) dedicated memory and driver support in Linux. So that part was even easier.</p><p>
Your situation seems a lot simpler than mine though, since you only have two constraints: Oblivion (don't know what it is) and 1080 video to a TV. Basically, what you need is any computer matching the requirements for playing Oblivion (I would go a little beyond recommended specs for running it) and with a NATIVE HDMI port. If you spend time worrying about complex names for different series of nanometer sized pieces of wire hypersolderized together, you will drown in the hopelessness that is marketing and advertizing and general rhetorical BS. Find out what specs you need to do what you want, if you're using Linux then check for compatibility issues in the forums of the distro you use or plan on using, and what you need to buy should pretty much be spelled out for you in pretty simple choices. If you're using Windows, you have a lot less to worry about since you don't really have control over those sorts of things, just take whatever has an HDMI port and enough RAM and cycles per second to run your game. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently built my own computer for similar purposes .
I needed a box that would download things all day and output via HDMI to my TV , but I placed an extra constraint on my system : Linux compatibility , or at least a reasonable degree of compatibility .
So , I researched available parts , using price as the first method of siphoning all the dreck .
I live in China , so , for example , the processor 's price ranged from a few hundred yuan ( about 50 bucks ) to about four thousand yuan ( closer to $ 500 ) .
I decided not to pay more than 400 yuan for my processor , and right there , I cut out about 90 \ % of the processors I had to research .
I decided from then that I wanted a 64-bit processor and I would only look at the top 3 FSB 's out of those processors , and I chose Intel because my previous experiences with Linux and AMD procs was somewhat dubious .
Everything else kind of fell into place after simply choosing the proc , save for the GPU , which I chose for it 's Native HDMI port , high-ish ( 1GB ) dedicated memory and driver support in Linux .
So that part was even easier .
Your situation seems a lot simpler than mine though , since you only have two constraints : Oblivion ( do n't know what it is ) and 1080 video to a TV .
Basically , what you need is any computer matching the requirements for playing Oblivion ( I would go a little beyond recommended specs for running it ) and with a NATIVE HDMI port .
If you spend time worrying about complex names for different series of nanometer sized pieces of wire hypersolderized together , you will drown in the hopelessness that is marketing and advertizing and general rhetorical BS .
Find out what specs you need to do what you want , if you 're using Linux then check for compatibility issues in the forums of the distro you use or plan on using , and what you need to buy should pretty much be spelled out for you in pretty simple choices .
If you 're using Windows , you have a lot less to worry about since you do n't really have control over those sorts of things , just take whatever has an HDMI port and enough RAM and cycles per second to run your game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently built my own computer for similar purposes.
I needed a box that would download things all day and output via HDMI to my TV, but I placed an extra constraint on my system: Linux compatibility, or at least a reasonable degree of compatibility.
So, I researched available parts, using price as the first method of siphoning all the dreck.
I live in China, so, for example, the processor's price ranged from a few hundred yuan (about 50 bucks) to about four thousand yuan (closer to $500).
I decided not to pay more than 400 yuan for my processor, and right there, I cut out about 90\% of the processors I had to research.
I decided from then that I wanted a 64-bit processor and I would only look at the top 3 FSB's out of those processors, and I chose Intel because my previous experiences with Linux and AMD procs was somewhat dubious.
Everything else kind of fell into place after simply choosing the proc, save for the GPU, which I chose for it's Native HDMI port, high-ish (1GB) dedicated memory and driver support in Linux.
So that part was even easier.
Your situation seems a lot simpler than mine though, since you only have two constraints: Oblivion (don't know what it is) and 1080 video to a TV.
Basically, what you need is any computer matching the requirements for playing Oblivion (I would go a little beyond recommended specs for running it) and with a NATIVE HDMI port.
If you spend time worrying about complex names for different series of nanometer sized pieces of wire hypersolderized together, you will drown in the hopelessness that is marketing and advertizing and general rhetorical BS.
Find out what specs you need to do what you want, if you're using Linux then check for compatibility issues in the forums of the distro you use or plan on using, and what you need to buy should pretty much be spelled out for you in pretty simple choices.
If you're using Windows, you have a lot less to worry about since you don't really have control over those sorts of things, just take whatever has an HDMI port and enough RAM and cycles per second to run your game. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412616</id>
	<title>its not math</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1268145600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>model numbers are not math, they are marketing. Marketing doesn't have to make sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>model numbers are not math , they are marketing .
Marketing does n't have to make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>model numbers are not math, they are marketing.
Marketing doesn't have to make sense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412718</id>
	<title>Bit-Tech.Net Monthly Hardware guides</title>
	<author>alphax45</author>
	<datestamp>1268146140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bit-Tech.Net does a hardware guide every month

It's from the UK but still good

Here is March: <a href="http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/03/09/pc-hardware-buyers-guide-march-2010/1" title="bit-tech.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/03/09/pc-hardware-buyers-guide-march-2010/1</a> [bit-tech.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bit-Tech.Net does a hardware guide every month It 's from the UK but still good Here is March : http : //www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/03/09/pc-hardware-buyers-guide-march-2010/1 [ bit-tech.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bit-Tech.Net does a hardware guide every month

It's from the UK but still good

Here is March: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/03/09/pc-hardware-buyers-guide-march-2010/1 [bit-tech.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31421866</id>
	<title>Re:Virtualization</title>
	<author>dcam</author>
	<datestamp>1268144580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is damn good advice. I just build a new quad code machine solely to run VMs on. Shifted the last machine over onto the VM server last weekend. 7 vms and counting, 2 always on (file and mail/web).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is damn good advice .
I just build a new quad code machine solely to run VMs on .
Shifted the last machine over onto the VM server last weekend .
7 vms and counting , 2 always on ( file and mail/web ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is damn good advice.
I just build a new quad code machine solely to run VMs on.
Shifted the last machine over onto the VM server last weekend.
7 vms and counting, 2 always on (file and mail/web).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412204</id>
	<title>Re:Steps...</title>
	<author>pcardno</author>
	<datestamp>1268142600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole point of the question is to break down how you do your step 3 when it's not trivial to compare all the various different architectures together any more and when you're not completely knowledgeable about them. Your option of just spending a ton of money is exactly what the questioner is trying to avoid doing.</p><p>So, like, well done on completely missing the point of the very valid question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point of the question is to break down how you do your step 3 when it 's not trivial to compare all the various different architectures together any more and when you 're not completely knowledgeable about them .
Your option of just spending a ton of money is exactly what the questioner is trying to avoid doing.So , like , well done on completely missing the point of the very valid question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point of the question is to break down how you do your step 3 when it's not trivial to compare all the various different architectures together any more and when you're not completely knowledgeable about them.
Your option of just spending a ton of money is exactly what the questioner is trying to avoid doing.So, like, well done on completely missing the point of the very valid question.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411548</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413012</id>
	<title>Re:I grew up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268147400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations, you're a yuppie.  Do you drive your kids to soccer practice in a minivan too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations , you 're a yuppie .
Do you drive your kids to soccer practice in a minivan too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations, you're a yuppie.
Do you drive your kids to soccer practice in a minivan too?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416390</id>
	<title>MB+PSU</title>
	<author>serbanp</author>
	<datestamp>1268160480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as so many said before, the important things to look for are a good motherboard and a well-built PSU. Every other decision is sorely based on the amount of money you intend to spend on the new system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as so many said before , the important things to look for are a good motherboard and a well-built PSU .
Every other decision is sorely based on the amount of money you intend to spend on the new system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as so many said before, the important things to look for are a good motherboard and a well-built PSU.
Every other decision is sorely based on the amount of money you intend to spend on the new system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415646</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>kayak334</author>
	<datestamp>1268157660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While DA:O is a superior game, in my opinion, and much newer, I believe that the system requirements to run Oblivion are more than likely just as high if not higher than DA:O.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While DA : O is a superior game , in my opinion , and much newer , I believe that the system requirements to run Oblivion are more than likely just as high if not higher than DA : O .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While DA:O is a superior game, in my opinion, and much newer, I believe that the system requirements to run Oblivion are more than likely just as high if not higher than DA:O.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411706</id>
	<title>I recommend Cpubenchmark.net</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has a pretty good ranking of most cpus and gpus available. I recommend it http://www.cpubenchmark.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has a pretty good ranking of most cpus and gpus available .
I recommend it http : //www.cpubenchmark.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has a pretty good ranking of most cpus and gpus available.
I recommend it http://www.cpubenchmark.net/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412046</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1268141580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the same experience - in fact I haven't bough a single desktop PC (as a whole) in 15 years - and I second this.</p><p>Before you start researching ask yourself this:<br>"Am I going to be playing 3D games on my PC?"</p><p>- If "Yes", then the price tag on your PC will make it worth the while to do a little research instead of just paying up for the best of the best. Go to the usual hardware review websites (such as tomshardware, anandtech) and start investigating CPU and Graphics Cards choices (typically most other decisions flow from these, for example: CPU dictates Motherboard which dictates Memory, while Graphics Card also dictates Motherboard plus Power Source). If you care about noise you'll have to check out speciality sites (such as silentpcreview).</p><p>-If "No", then it won't be worth the time and the trouble to do any kind of heavey research: just go for price. The only real decisions here are "How much memory?" (2GB is good, 4GB is better, beyond it's a waste atm), "How much HD space?" (how much were you using before? Was it enough? Were you feeling constrained. Remember you can always add a second HD later) and "How big a monitor?" (personal choice here, often dictated by the space you have for it) - the rest is simply price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the same experience - in fact I have n't bough a single desktop PC ( as a whole ) in 15 years - and I second this.Before you start researching ask yourself this : " Am I going to be playing 3D games on my PC ?
" - If " Yes " , then the price tag on your PC will make it worth the while to do a little research instead of just paying up for the best of the best .
Go to the usual hardware review websites ( such as tomshardware , anandtech ) and start investigating CPU and Graphics Cards choices ( typically most other decisions flow from these , for example : CPU dictates Motherboard which dictates Memory , while Graphics Card also dictates Motherboard plus Power Source ) .
If you care about noise you 'll have to check out speciality sites ( such as silentpcreview ) .-If " No " , then it wo n't be worth the time and the trouble to do any kind of heavey research : just go for price .
The only real decisions here are " How much memory ?
" ( 2GB is good , 4GB is better , beyond it 's a waste atm ) , " How much HD space ?
" ( how much were you using before ?
Was it enough ?
Were you feeling constrained .
Remember you can always add a second HD later ) and " How big a monitor ?
" ( personal choice here , often dictated by the space you have for it ) - the rest is simply price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the same experience - in fact I haven't bough a single desktop PC (as a whole) in 15 years - and I second this.Before you start researching ask yourself this:"Am I going to be playing 3D games on my PC?
"- If "Yes", then the price tag on your PC will make it worth the while to do a little research instead of just paying up for the best of the best.
Go to the usual hardware review websites (such as tomshardware, anandtech) and start investigating CPU and Graphics Cards choices (typically most other decisions flow from these, for example: CPU dictates Motherboard which dictates Memory, while Graphics Card also dictates Motherboard plus Power Source).
If you care about noise you'll have to check out speciality sites (such as silentpcreview).-If "No", then it won't be worth the time and the trouble to do any kind of heavey research: just go for price.
The only real decisions here are "How much memory?
" (2GB is good, 4GB is better, beyond it's a waste atm), "How much HD space?
" (how much were you using before?
Was it enough?
Were you feeling constrained.
Remember you can always add a second HD later) and "How big a monitor?
" (personal choice here, often dictated by the space you have for it) - the rest is simply price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414104</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268152080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sorrta, but i submit;
<br>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115131 - Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 - $189.99
<br>and
<br>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115058 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400S 2.66GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 - $259.99
</p><p> for those to lazy to look, the second should under perform the first. and costs $70 more, but it is the 65W chip. Just thought i'd point out that speed is not the only factor that effects price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sorrta , but i submit ; http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16819115131 - Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 - $ 189.99 and http : //www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx ? Item = N82E16819115058 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400S 2.66GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 - $ 259.99 for those to lazy to look , the second should under perform the first .
and costs $ 70 more , but it is the 65W chip .
Just thought i 'd point out that speed is not the only factor that effects price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sorrta, but i submit;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115131 - Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 - $189.99
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115058 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400S 2.66GHz 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 - $259.99
 for those to lazy to look, the second should under perform the first.
and costs $70 more, but it is the 65W chip.
Just thought i'd point out that speed is not the only factor that effects price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412394</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1268144580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me or do the  i5 750 and the Phenom II x4 965 seem to have very similar benchmark figures, and appear to be roughly the same price<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>I think the original question asked applies here,  there appears to be a vast variety of confusingly named processors from both AMD and Intel that they do not seem to want people to compare (even with processors from the same manufacturer)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or do the i5 750 and the Phenom II x4 965 seem to have very similar benchmark figures , and appear to be roughly the same price ....I think the original question asked applies here , there appears to be a vast variety of confusingly named processors from both AMD and Intel that they do not seem to want people to compare ( even with processors from the same manufacturer )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or do the  i5 750 and the Phenom II x4 965 seem to have very similar benchmark figures, and appear to be roughly the same price ....I think the original question asked applies here,  there appears to be a vast variety of confusingly named processors from both AMD and Intel that they do not seem to want people to compare (even with processors from the same manufacturer)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412146</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>eudaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1268142240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please refer to this link <a href="http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/" title="paulisageek.com">http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/</a> [paulisageek.com] if you want to see absolute CPU performance ranked by CPU and a ratio between cost and performance.  Yes you do need to educate yourself some, but let's be honest - any modern CPU works great unless you want to do dual head 24" monitors running crysis.  I would recommend you check out Tom's Hardware's guides to building balanced machines, and their guides to building $600/$1200/$1800 gaming machines. They explain their rationale for picking every component and it's quite an education.</p><p>Personally I'd probably build an i7-860 box if I didn't plan to do crossfire, or an i7-920 box if I did. That's the fastest intel chip you can buy without getting soaked. If you prefer AMD then the AMD Phenom II X4 965 is the fastest CPU they offer currently (according the list I posted above) and the price is about $60 less than the Intel CPUs I recommended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please refer to this link http : //paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/ [ paulisageek.com ] if you want to see absolute CPU performance ranked by CPU and a ratio between cost and performance .
Yes you do need to educate yourself some , but let 's be honest - any modern CPU works great unless you want to do dual head 24 " monitors running crysis .
I would recommend you check out Tom 's Hardware 's guides to building balanced machines , and their guides to building $ 600/ $ 1200/ $ 1800 gaming machines .
They explain their rationale for picking every component and it 's quite an education.Personally I 'd probably build an i7-860 box if I did n't plan to do crossfire , or an i7-920 box if I did .
That 's the fastest intel chip you can buy without getting soaked .
If you prefer AMD then the AMD Phenom II X4 965 is the fastest CPU they offer currently ( according the list I posted above ) and the price is about $ 60 less than the Intel CPUs I recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please refer to this link http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/ [paulisageek.com] if you want to see absolute CPU performance ranked by CPU and a ratio between cost and performance.
Yes you do need to educate yourself some, but let's be honest - any modern CPU works great unless you want to do dual head 24" monitors running crysis.
I would recommend you check out Tom's Hardware's guides to building balanced machines, and their guides to building $600/$1200/$1800 gaming machines.
They explain their rationale for picking every component and it's quite an education.Personally I'd probably build an i7-860 box if I didn't plan to do crossfire, or an i7-920 box if I did.
That's the fastest intel chip you can buy without getting soaked.
If you prefer AMD then the AMD Phenom II X4 965 is the fastest CPU they offer currently (according the list I posted above) and the price is about $60 less than the Intel CPUs I recommended.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412736</id>
	<title>Re:Ars technica</title>
	<author>kikito</author>
	<datestamp>1268146200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found the "Budget Box" guide helpful. Thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found the " Budget Box " guide helpful .
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found the "Budget Box" guide helpful.
Thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412132</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268142180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Remember that this shit completely changes every few years. I used to build PCs for myself and my school as a kid (386/486), then couldn't affort to for a few years, then had to start reading PC magazines when it finally came time to afford a new PC (Pentium 2/AMD equiv). Fast-forward a few years to my next major upgrade, and I'm reading Wikipedia instead of the mags, but I'm still pig-ignorant of the latest tech until I've figured out whether AGP is still current (nope) and which of DDR2/3 will be needed, how many cores are worthwhile, etc etc etc.</p><p>Maybe it's easier for those who do hardware support or deal with servers (I mostly deal with routers/switches/firewalls), but I get completely left behind if I ignore the PC components market for more than a few months.</p></div><p>I couldn't agree more.</p><p>I work for one of the CPU manufacturers and I struggle to keep track of it all.  The GPU side is even worse, with both sides streamlining (read: changing the bloody names) every so often.  It is not simple in any way, shape or form, and there is a damn good reason that both Intel and AMD have launched initiatives to try and simplify the process based on experience/use cases, rather than hardware.  Issues with such branding aside, neither chip manufacturer is blind to how insanely complex the product numbers/interaction between pieces has become.  Take this issue to the public, and you're lucky if they even know what Intel does, or who AMD is, let alone what fricken processor/motherboard/GPU pairing is best optimized for their needs.  This is a problem that is well identified, but not gracefully handled, and if anyone has a truly simple solution, you have a number of large companies very eager to hear it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that this shit completely changes every few years .
I used to build PCs for myself and my school as a kid ( 386/486 ) , then could n't affort to for a few years , then had to start reading PC magazines when it finally came time to afford a new PC ( Pentium 2/AMD equiv ) .
Fast-forward a few years to my next major upgrade , and I 'm reading Wikipedia instead of the mags , but I 'm still pig-ignorant of the latest tech until I 've figured out whether AGP is still current ( nope ) and which of DDR2/3 will be needed , how many cores are worthwhile , etc etc etc.Maybe it 's easier for those who do hardware support or deal with servers ( I mostly deal with routers/switches/firewalls ) , but I get completely left behind if I ignore the PC components market for more than a few months.I could n't agree more.I work for one of the CPU manufacturers and I struggle to keep track of it all .
The GPU side is even worse , with both sides streamlining ( read : changing the bloody names ) every so often .
It is not simple in any way , shape or form , and there is a damn good reason that both Intel and AMD have launched initiatives to try and simplify the process based on experience/use cases , rather than hardware .
Issues with such branding aside , neither chip manufacturer is blind to how insanely complex the product numbers/interaction between pieces has become .
Take this issue to the public , and you 're lucky if they even know what Intel does , or who AMD is , let alone what fricken processor/motherboard/GPU pairing is best optimized for their needs .
This is a problem that is well identified , but not gracefully handled , and if anyone has a truly simple solution , you have a number of large companies very eager to hear it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that this shit completely changes every few years.
I used to build PCs for myself and my school as a kid (386/486), then couldn't affort to for a few years, then had to start reading PC magazines when it finally came time to afford a new PC (Pentium 2/AMD equiv).
Fast-forward a few years to my next major upgrade, and I'm reading Wikipedia instead of the mags, but I'm still pig-ignorant of the latest tech until I've figured out whether AGP is still current (nope) and which of DDR2/3 will be needed, how many cores are worthwhile, etc etc etc.Maybe it's easier for those who do hardware support or deal with servers (I mostly deal with routers/switches/firewalls), but I get completely left behind if I ignore the PC components market for more than a few months.I couldn't agree more.I work for one of the CPU manufacturers and I struggle to keep track of it all.
The GPU side is even worse, with both sides streamlining (read: changing the bloody names) every so often.
It is not simple in any way, shape or form, and there is a damn good reason that both Intel and AMD have launched initiatives to try and simplify the process based on experience/use cases, rather than hardware.
Issues with such branding aside, neither chip manufacturer is blind to how insanely complex the product numbers/interaction between pieces has become.
Take this issue to the public, and you're lucky if they even know what Intel does, or who AMD is, let alone what fricken processor/motherboard/GPU pairing is best optimized for their needs.
This is a problem that is well identified, but not gracefully handled, and if anyone has a truly simple solution, you have a number of large companies very eager to hear it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411940</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268140380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mac is not dumbed down, and it's also not the "best" technology when it comes to performance.<br>It is simply a piece of hardware doesn't require extensive research, configuration and maintainance.<br>And it's ergonomic and well-designed. Please, don't turn design down. Architecture matters for you<br>when you buy a house, doesn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac is not dumbed down , and it 's also not the " best " technology when it comes to performance.It is simply a piece of hardware does n't require extensive research , configuration and maintainance.And it 's ergonomic and well-designed .
Please , do n't turn design down .
Architecture matters for youwhen you buy a house , does n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac is not dumbed down, and it's also not the "best" technology when it comes to performance.It is simply a piece of hardware doesn't require extensive research, configuration and maintainance.And it's ergonomic and well-designed.
Please, don't turn design down.
Architecture matters for youwhen you buy a house, doesn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412472</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268144940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Get a processor rating table (I found one at Tom's Hardware or Phoronix, can't actually remember)<br>2) Look for prices on online sites and draw a line on the minimum Performance for the maximum Price you want to pay<br>3) Check for possible candidates on sites which filter PCs based on such features (can't recomend as I'm in Brazil) -- select only those with Linux preinstalled<br>4) Compare other features like memory, HD type &amp; speed, brand (if you care), looks (if you got a wife) vis-a-vis with intended use<br>5) Go for the best online price for maximum comfort or<br>6) Start looking for similar machines on marts (that's what I've done)<br>7) Profit.</p><p>Aside: Unless you have a technician long time friend or relative, or are absolutely sure you can trust someone to be honest, you really have to research things. Even a trustworthy, technically savvy seller could misunderstand your criteria and recommend the wrong choice; losing a frienship will always be worse than any bad deal...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Get a processor rating table ( I found one at Tom 's Hardware or Phoronix , ca n't actually remember ) 2 ) Look for prices on online sites and draw a line on the minimum Performance for the maximum Price you want to pay3 ) Check for possible candidates on sites which filter PCs based on such features ( ca n't recomend as I 'm in Brazil ) -- select only those with Linux preinstalled4 ) Compare other features like memory , HD type &amp; speed , brand ( if you care ) , looks ( if you got a wife ) vis-a-vis with intended use5 ) Go for the best online price for maximum comfort or6 ) Start looking for similar machines on marts ( that 's what I 've done ) 7 ) Profit.Aside : Unless you have a technician long time friend or relative , or are absolutely sure you can trust someone to be honest , you really have to research things .
Even a trustworthy , technically savvy seller could misunderstand your criteria and recommend the wrong choice ; losing a frienship will always be worse than any bad deal.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Get a processor rating table (I found one at Tom's Hardware or Phoronix, can't actually remember)2) Look for prices on online sites and draw a line on the minimum Performance for the maximum Price you want to pay3) Check for possible candidates on sites which filter PCs based on such features (can't recomend as I'm in Brazil) -- select only those with Linux preinstalled4) Compare other features like memory, HD type &amp; speed, brand (if you care), looks (if you got a wife) vis-a-vis with intended use5) Go for the best online price for maximum comfort or6) Start looking for similar machines on marts (that's what I've done)7) Profit.Aside: Unless you have a technician long time friend or relative, or are absolutely sure you can trust someone to be honest, you really have to research things.
Even a trustworthy, technically savvy seller could misunderstand your criteria and recommend the wrong choice; losing a frienship will always be worse than any bad deal...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412338</id>
	<title>I do it backwards</title>
	<author>sensei moreh</author>
	<datestamp>1268144040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not above building my own system, but for my (relatively simple) needs, it rarely seems worth the effort. So I approach the problem in a somewhat backward manner. I start with a budget, scan the ads (BB, Fry's, Microcenter, Newegg, even TD) to see what's available in my price range, then check out the capabilities of each system and do a rough cost/benefit analysis to select a system to purchase. Works for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not above building my own system , but for my ( relatively simple ) needs , it rarely seems worth the effort .
So I approach the problem in a somewhat backward manner .
I start with a budget , scan the ads ( BB , Fry 's , Microcenter , Newegg , even TD ) to see what 's available in my price range , then check out the capabilities of each system and do a rough cost/benefit analysis to select a system to purchase .
Works for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not above building my own system, but for my (relatively simple) needs, it rarely seems worth the effort.
So I approach the problem in a somewhat backward manner.
I start with a budget, scan the ads (BB, Fry's, Microcenter, Newegg, even TD) to see what's available in my price range, then check out the capabilities of each system and do a rough cost/benefit analysis to select a system to purchase.
Works for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411526</id>
	<title>Oblivion in HD on the TV?</title>
	<author>rockclimber</author>
	<datestamp>1268134380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if thats all you want, go for:
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://us.playstation.com/ps3/index.htm" title="playstation.com" rel="nofollow"> PS3</a> [playstation.com]
<br>or<br>
<a href="http://www.xbox.com/" title="xbox.com" rel="nofollow"> Xbox360 </a> [xbox.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>if thats all you want , go for : PS3 [ playstation.com ] or Xbox360 [ xbox.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if thats all you want, go for:


 PS3 [playstation.com]
or
 Xbox360  [xbox.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31506334</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1268825100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>never ever buy an ati card, they may look more powerful and cheaper than nvidia but their drivers suck, looks at tweakguides.com there is an "ati hotfix" almost every week or look at the ea/ubisoft/steam/whatever forums, there are always threads like "black screen with ati xxxx", "texture glitches with ati" etc..</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I think by now people would have realised just how universally terrible ATI were.  If they were.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>never ever buy an ati card , they may look more powerful and cheaper than nvidia but their drivers suck , looks at tweakguides.com there is an " ati hotfix " almost every week or look at the ea/ubisoft/steam/whatever forums , there are always threads like " black screen with ati xxxx " , " texture glitches with ati " etc. . I think by now people would have realised just how universally terrible ATI were .
If they were .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>never ever buy an ati card, they may look more powerful and cheaper than nvidia but their drivers suck, looks at tweakguides.com there is an "ati hotfix" almost every week or look at the ea/ubisoft/steam/whatever forums, there are always threads like "black screen with ati xxxx", "texture glitches with ati" etc..

I think by now people would have realised just how universally terrible ATI were.
If they were.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411636</id>
	<title>Virtualization</title>
	<author>seifried</author>
	<datestamp>1268135640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another reason to choose AMD over Intel, Intel has some CPUs that support the new virtualization extensions and some that don't. AMD OTOH supports the virtualization extensions across the line. That and AMD quad cores are stupid cheap now. Unless you have a really pressing need for a really high end CPU get the AMD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another reason to choose AMD over Intel , Intel has some CPUs that support the new virtualization extensions and some that do n't .
AMD OTOH supports the virtualization extensions across the line .
That and AMD quad cores are stupid cheap now .
Unless you have a really pressing need for a really high end CPU get the AMD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another reason to choose AMD over Intel, Intel has some CPUs that support the new virtualization extensions and some that don't.
AMD OTOH supports the virtualization extensions across the line.
That and AMD quad cores are stupid cheap now.
Unless you have a really pressing need for a really high end CPU get the AMD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412156</id>
	<title>This is not the sort of question I expect from /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268142300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, if you can't build your computer, you don't belong here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , if you ca n't build your computer , you do n't belong here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, if you can't build your computer, you don't belong here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413724</id>
	<title>Documentation</title>
	<author>Moe1975</author>
	<datestamp>1268150520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a decent amount of it. I use Mueller's book, Tom's Hardware and similar, plus with hardware manufacturer websites.

There is also this: <a href="http://cr.yp.to/hardware/build-20090123.html" title="cr.yp.to" rel="nofollow">http://cr.yp.to/hardware/build-20090123.html</a> [cr.yp.to]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a decent amount of it .
I use Mueller 's book , Tom 's Hardware and similar , plus with hardware manufacturer websites .
There is also this : http : //cr.yp.to/hardware/build-20090123.html [ cr.yp.to ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a decent amount of it.
I use Mueller's book, Tom's Hardware and similar, plus with hardware manufacturer websites.
There is also this: http://cr.yp.to/hardware/build-20090123.html [cr.yp.to]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412562</id>
	<title>Be Serious!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268145300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> Yeah, Macs are 'dumbed down' as far as the OS goes</i><br>That must be the reason, why OS X is SYSTEM V certified...</p><p>If you're serious about developing applications (excl. high-end-win32/64): Mac.<br>If you are serious about web-design: Mac.<br>If you do anything (serious or not) with audio/video: Mac.<br>If you like an aesthetically-pleasing UI for serious people: Mac.<br>If you (seriously) like getting things done: Mac.<br>If you wanna seriously play Oblivion, just install Windows or run the Cider-port "natively."<br>Seriously, get a mac!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Macs are 'dumbed down ' as far as the OS goesThat must be the reason , why OS X is SYSTEM V certified...If you 're serious about developing applications ( excl .
high-end-win32/64 ) : Mac.If you are serious about web-design : Mac.If you do anything ( serious or not ) with audio/video : Mac.If you like an aesthetically-pleasing UI for serious people : Mac.If you ( seriously ) like getting things done : Mac.If you wan na seriously play Oblivion , just install Windows or run the Cider-port " natively .
" Seriously , get a mac !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Yeah, Macs are 'dumbed down' as far as the OS goesThat must be the reason, why OS X is SYSTEM V certified...If you're serious about developing applications (excl.
high-end-win32/64): Mac.If you are serious about web-design: Mac.If you do anything (serious or not) with audio/video: Mac.If you like an aesthetically-pleasing UI for serious people: Mac.If you (seriously) like getting things done: Mac.If you wanna seriously play Oblivion, just install Windows or run the Cider-port "natively.
"Seriously, get a mac!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416138</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268159520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except, how do you decide on which mobo?  What socket should it support for the most uP choices?  There are now so many now that are incompatible and more incompatible ones on the way.</p><p>Socket T? AM2+? 775? 939?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except , how do you decide on which mobo ?
What socket should it support for the most uP choices ?
There are now so many now that are incompatible and more incompatible ones on the way.Socket T ?
AM2 + ? 775 ?
939 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except, how do you decide on which mobo?
What socket should it support for the most uP choices?
There are now so many now that are incompatible and more incompatible ones on the way.Socket T?
AM2+? 775?
939?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412256</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1268143020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Lynnfield core Intel's are dual-channel for RAM and Bloomfields are tri-channel.</i></p><p>I'm not being funny, but if the guy is having trouble working out the differences between various CPUs and GPUs, that's going to make no sense to him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lynnfield core Intel 's are dual-channel for RAM and Bloomfields are tri-channel.I 'm not being funny , but if the guy is having trouble working out the differences between various CPUs and GPUs , that 's going to make no sense to him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lynnfield core Intel's are dual-channel for RAM and Bloomfields are tri-channel.I'm not being funny, but if the guy is having trouble working out the differences between various CPUs and GPUs, that's going to make no sense to him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413476</id>
	<title>Buy a Mac</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1268149380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are expensive but the hierarchy is clear and they are not THAT expensive if you compare them to other PCs with exactly the same specs.</p><p>They are so good at it that each model is just a few $$$ more than the one you are looking at so that you tell yourself... mmm for just a little more money I could get that. After a few minutes you end up wanting the top of the line when the entry level would do what you need it to do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are expensive but the hierarchy is clear and they are not THAT expensive if you compare them to other PCs with exactly the same specs.They are so good at it that each model is just a few $ $ $ more than the one you are looking at so that you tell yourself... mmm for just a little more money I could get that .
After a few minutes you end up wanting the top of the line when the entry level would do what you need it to do : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are expensive but the hierarchy is clear and they are not THAT expensive if you compare them to other PCs with exactly the same specs.They are so good at it that each model is just a few $$$ more than the one you are looking at so that you tell yourself... mmm for just a little more money I could get that.
After a few minutes you end up wanting the top of the line when the entry level would do what you need it to do :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411826</id>
	<title>A good guide.....</title>
	<author>cb95amc</author>
	<datestamp>1268138580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tom's Hardware post a regular guide to the best CPU &amp; GPU at various price points....</p><p>Decide how much you want to spend on each component and see what is recommended.</p><p>CPU - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-gaming-cpu,review-31815.html<br>GPU - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review-31829.html</p><p>Realistically any CPU/GPU combination from the last year or two shouldn't have a problem meeting your requirements, as most GPUs now decode 1080 video in hardware, and Oblivion shouldn't prove too taxing unless you are trying to run in very high resolutions.<br>It will just depend what your budget is and how future proof you want it to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tom 's Hardware post a regular guide to the best CPU &amp; GPU at various price points....Decide how much you want to spend on each component and see what is recommended.CPU - http : //www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-gaming-cpu,review-31815.htmlGPU - http : //www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review-31829.htmlRealistically any CPU/GPU combination from the last year or two should n't have a problem meeting your requirements , as most GPUs now decode 1080 video in hardware , and Oblivion should n't prove too taxing unless you are trying to run in very high resolutions.It will just depend what your budget is and how future proof you want it to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tom's Hardware post a regular guide to the best CPU &amp; GPU at various price points....Decide how much you want to spend on each component and see what is recommended.CPU - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-gaming-cpu,review-31815.htmlGPU - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review-31829.htmlRealistically any CPU/GPU combination from the last year or two shouldn't have a problem meeting your requirements, as most GPUs now decode 1080 video in hardware, and Oblivion shouldn't prove too taxing unless you are trying to run in very high resolutions.It will just depend what your budget is and how future proof you want it to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414966</id>
	<title>Re:It has got silly</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1268155260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's shocking to me how many "computer scientists" don't even follow modern x86 computer hardware enough to assemble a PC.  Something any competent 14 year old can do in an afternoon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's shocking to me how many " computer scientists " do n't even follow modern x86 computer hardware enough to assemble a PC .
Something any competent 14 year old can do in an afternoon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's shocking to me how many "computer scientists" don't even follow modern x86 computer hardware enough to assemble a PC.
Something any competent 14 year old can do in an afternoon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411558</id>
	<title>possibly the biggest kdawson fail yet</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1268134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>there is about 1000000 websites out there that will answer this better then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</htmltext>
<tokenext>there is about 1000000 websites out there that will answer this better then / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is about 1000000 websites out there that will answer this better then /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411836</id>
	<title>Think about the motherboard</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1268138640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AMD capable motherboards tend to be a lot cheaper, that can easily save you enough money on a highly capable gaming system to replace the HD with an SSD, and that will have far more influence on game performance then the Intel chip will. In gaming, AMD performs a lot better. Always make sure to read the entire review of a CPU for the stats that are relevant to you. For instance, if you once in a blue moon use Office and never use a database on your PC, what do you care about how fast/slow your CPU is at them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AMD capable motherboards tend to be a lot cheaper , that can easily save you enough money on a highly capable gaming system to replace the HD with an SSD , and that will have far more influence on game performance then the Intel chip will .
In gaming , AMD performs a lot better .
Always make sure to read the entire review of a CPU for the stats that are relevant to you .
For instance , if you once in a blue moon use Office and never use a database on your PC , what do you care about how fast/slow your CPU is at them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AMD capable motherboards tend to be a lot cheaper, that can easily save you enough money on a highly capable gaming system to replace the HD with an SSD, and that will have far more influence on game performance then the Intel chip will.
In gaming, AMD performs a lot better.
Always make sure to read the entire review of a CPU for the stats that are relevant to you.
For instance, if you once in a blue moon use Office and never use a database on your PC, what do you care about how fast/slow your CPU is at them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416872</id>
	<title>mostly it doesn't matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268162880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In today's market, nearly all decent CPU/GPUs will do what you need.</p><p>Spend about $150 on your CPU and about $100 on your GPU and you should be good. Anything more is probably at the negative end of the cost benefit curve.</p><p>Buy fast ram &amp; a MOBO that can support it.</p><p>That's about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In today 's market , nearly all decent CPU/GPUs will do what you need.Spend about $ 150 on your CPU and about $ 100 on your GPU and you should be good .
Anything more is probably at the negative end of the cost benefit curve.Buy fast ram &amp; a MOBO that can support it.That 's about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In today's market, nearly all decent CPU/GPUs will do what you need.Spend about $150 on your CPU and about $100 on your GPU and you should be good.
Anything more is probably at the negative end of the cost benefit curve.Buy fast ram &amp; a MOBO that can support it.That's about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412420</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1268144640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, Macs are 'dumbed down' as far as the OS goes and they're not the cheapest machines available but for some people they are perfect. A flat out recommendation to ignore them is not good advice.</p></div><p>As poster said above; they aren't 'dumbed down' as much as they are 'easier to use.' Just because something is easier to use does not automatically mean it's been dumbed down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Macs are 'dumbed down ' as far as the OS goes and they 're not the cheapest machines available but for some people they are perfect .
A flat out recommendation to ignore them is not good advice.As poster said above ; they are n't 'dumbed down ' as much as they are 'easier to use .
' Just because something is easier to use does not automatically mean it 's been dumbed down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, Macs are 'dumbed down' as far as the OS goes and they're not the cheapest machines available but for some people they are perfect.
A flat out recommendation to ignore them is not good advice.As poster said above; they aren't 'dumbed down' as much as they are 'easier to use.
' Just because something is easier to use does not automatically mean it's been dumbed down.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413074</id>
	<title>checkout toms hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268147640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>many articles and advise for noobs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>many articles and advise for noobs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>many articles and advise for noobs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31434400</id>
	<title>Good benchmark site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268240880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu\_list.php</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu \ _list.php</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu\_list.php</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413506</id>
	<title>Simple:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1268149500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look at the actual names that their engineers use internally, instead of the marketing names disguised as &ldquo;cool technical model numbers&rdquo;</p><p>Ok, at least simple in theory. In practice you first have to find those actual names.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at the actual names that their engineers use internally , instead of the marketing names disguised as    cool technical model numbers    Ok , at least simple in theory .
In practice you first have to find those actual names .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at the actual names that their engineers use internally, instead of the marketing names disguised as “cool technical model numbers”Ok, at least simple in theory.
In practice you first have to find those actual names.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415908</id>
	<title>AM3 or i7, the only real options.</title>
	<author>TellarHK</author>
	<datestamp>1268158740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was doing some research for a friend who was looking into an upgrade last week, I came to a pretty straightforward conclusion.  The only two processor lines worth putting money into today without worrying that you'll be completely screwed down the road, are the AMD Athlon II/Phenom II series on AM3 motherboards, and the Intel Core i7 processor line on socket 1366.  Ignore i3 and i5 which are on socket 1156 like the plague, as the sockets used for those chips aren't likely to be ones that wind up sticking around.  The Core X Duo/Quad line is practically dead, and I wouldn't expect any new processor announcements for Socket 775 anymore.</p><p>And when I came to that conclusion, AMD was the only choice that made sense.  You can get a large percentage of the power in an i7 CPU out of the high-end Phenom II processor (which is identical to the lower-priced Athlon II, only with its L3 cache enabled) for a hell of a lot less money.  Plus, you get the benefit of AMD having at least \_tried\_ to maintain some backwards compatibility in socket designs for the last few years.</p><p>I'm on a Core 2 Quad on socket 775 myself, and I know I'll have to re-evaluate all this crap again in about a year and a half or two years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was doing some research for a friend who was looking into an upgrade last week , I came to a pretty straightforward conclusion .
The only two processor lines worth putting money into today without worrying that you 'll be completely screwed down the road , are the AMD Athlon II/Phenom II series on AM3 motherboards , and the Intel Core i7 processor line on socket 1366 .
Ignore i3 and i5 which are on socket 1156 like the plague , as the sockets used for those chips are n't likely to be ones that wind up sticking around .
The Core X Duo/Quad line is practically dead , and I would n't expect any new processor announcements for Socket 775 anymore.And when I came to that conclusion , AMD was the only choice that made sense .
You can get a large percentage of the power in an i7 CPU out of the high-end Phenom II processor ( which is identical to the lower-priced Athlon II , only with its L3 cache enabled ) for a hell of a lot less money .
Plus , you get the benefit of AMD having at least \ _tried \ _ to maintain some backwards compatibility in socket designs for the last few years.I 'm on a Core 2 Quad on socket 775 myself , and I know I 'll have to re-evaluate all this crap again in about a year and a half or two years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was doing some research for a friend who was looking into an upgrade last week, I came to a pretty straightforward conclusion.
The only two processor lines worth putting money into today without worrying that you'll be completely screwed down the road, are the AMD Athlon II/Phenom II series on AM3 motherboards, and the Intel Core i7 processor line on socket 1366.
Ignore i3 and i5 which are on socket 1156 like the plague, as the sockets used for those chips aren't likely to be ones that wind up sticking around.
The Core X Duo/Quad line is practically dead, and I wouldn't expect any new processor announcements for Socket 775 anymore.And when I came to that conclusion, AMD was the only choice that made sense.
You can get a large percentage of the power in an i7 CPU out of the high-end Phenom II processor (which is identical to the lower-priced Athlon II, only with its L3 cache enabled) for a hell of a lot less money.
Plus, you get the benefit of AMD having at least \_tried\_ to maintain some backwards compatibility in socket designs for the last few years.I'm on a Core 2 Quad on socket 775 myself, and I know I'll have to re-evaluate all this crap again in about a year and a half or two years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412788</id>
	<title>The manufacturers muddy the waters...</title>
	<author>Heed00</author>
	<datestamp>1268146500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What annoys me is that it's not the technical specs that are hard to follow, but that the manufacturers spin out so many derivative products and seem to purposely muddy the waters with their naming/numbering conventions. I can lookup charts for performance and whatnot, but those charts become excessively bloated due to product proliferation that the chore is not in understanding what can perform where I want, but wading through the overabundance of data to make that final determination.
<br>
<br>
When I have an upgrade to do it takes me about two weeks of poking around before I'm close to making a decision. And that's not because I'm indecisive, but because there's just too many products by each manufacturer that are too similar. It takes time to realize that products "X", "Y" and "Z" by company "A" are all really the same product within minimal tolerances, but named quite differently or in a way where the one with the higher product number associated with it is actually the inferior product.
<br>
<br>
I used to enjoy hardware and making purchases, but now I just see it as an annoying chore. Maybe I've just gotten old and have less patience, but when looking to upgrade these days it certainly seem more like work -- rather than fun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What annoys me is that it 's not the technical specs that are hard to follow , but that the manufacturers spin out so many derivative products and seem to purposely muddy the waters with their naming/numbering conventions .
I can lookup charts for performance and whatnot , but those charts become excessively bloated due to product proliferation that the chore is not in understanding what can perform where I want , but wading through the overabundance of data to make that final determination .
When I have an upgrade to do it takes me about two weeks of poking around before I 'm close to making a decision .
And that 's not because I 'm indecisive , but because there 's just too many products by each manufacturer that are too similar .
It takes time to realize that products " X " , " Y " and " Z " by company " A " are all really the same product within minimal tolerances , but named quite differently or in a way where the one with the higher product number associated with it is actually the inferior product .
I used to enjoy hardware and making purchases , but now I just see it as an annoying chore .
Maybe I 've just gotten old and have less patience , but when looking to upgrade these days it certainly seem more like work -- rather than fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What annoys me is that it's not the technical specs that are hard to follow, but that the manufacturers spin out so many derivative products and seem to purposely muddy the waters with their naming/numbering conventions.
I can lookup charts for performance and whatnot, but those charts become excessively bloated due to product proliferation that the chore is not in understanding what can perform where I want, but wading through the overabundance of data to make that final determination.
When I have an upgrade to do it takes me about two weeks of poking around before I'm close to making a decision.
And that's not because I'm indecisive, but because there's just too many products by each manufacturer that are too similar.
It takes time to realize that products "X", "Y" and "Z" by company "A" are all really the same product within minimal tolerances, but named quite differently or in a way where the one with the higher product number associated with it is actually the inferior product.
I used to enjoy hardware and making purchases, but now I just see it as an annoying chore.
Maybe I've just gotten old and have less patience, but when looking to upgrade these days it certainly seem more like work -- rather than fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412104</id>
	<title>Re:Steps...</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1268142000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I bought my first computer, I had a choice of an Intel Pentium, Intel Pentium MMX, AMD K5, Cyrix 686 and the IBM branded version of the Cyrix 686.  Within each of those models, I could chose different clock speeds.</p><p>Now, I have a choice various types of Atoms, Celerons, Pentium Dual Cores, Core IIs, Core i5s, Core i7s and Xeons, and that's just from Intel.  Do we really need that many different product lines from the one company?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I bought my first computer , I had a choice of an Intel Pentium , Intel Pentium MMX , AMD K5 , Cyrix 686 and the IBM branded version of the Cyrix 686 .
Within each of those models , I could chose different clock speeds.Now , I have a choice various types of Atoms , Celerons , Pentium Dual Cores , Core IIs , Core i5s , Core i7s and Xeons , and that 's just from Intel .
Do we really need that many different product lines from the one company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I bought my first computer, I had a choice of an Intel Pentium, Intel Pentium MMX, AMD K5, Cyrix 686 and the IBM branded version of the Cyrix 686.
Within each of those models, I could chose different clock speeds.Now, I have a choice various types of Atoms, Celerons, Pentium Dual Cores, Core IIs, Core i5s, Core i7s and Xeons, and that's just from Intel.
Do we really need that many different product lines from the one company?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413830</id>
	<title>What about the monitor</title>
	<author>Boldoran</author>
	<datestamp>1268151000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My biggest problem when upgrading my system is usually the monitor. For example I really like the display of the new iMacs. How can I buy a similar standalone Monitor without resorting to industry standard Displays that cost 1500$.

Is there any good comparison for new displays available online?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My biggest problem when upgrading my system is usually the monitor .
For example I really like the display of the new iMacs .
How can I buy a similar standalone Monitor without resorting to industry standard Displays that cost 1500 $ .
Is there any good comparison for new displays available online ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My biggest problem when upgrading my system is usually the monitor.
For example I really like the display of the new iMacs.
How can I buy a similar standalone Monitor without resorting to industry standard Displays that cost 1500$.
Is there any good comparison for new displays available online?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411508</id>
	<title>Online benchmarks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I usually have to spend some time on Tom's Hardware:
<a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/</a> [tomshardware.com]

That allows me to work out what I want, then I do a price comparison to find out what I can afford.

It's a nuisance, and most computers nowadays don't come with a decent graphics card, so if you're a gamer, that takes even longer to research.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually have to spend some time on Tom 's Hardware : http : //www.tomshardware.com/ [ tomshardware.com ] That allows me to work out what I want , then I do a price comparison to find out what I can afford .
It 's a nuisance , and most computers nowadays do n't come with a decent graphics card , so if you 're a gamer , that takes even longer to research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually have to spend some time on Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.com/ [tomshardware.com]

That allows me to work out what I want, then I do a price comparison to find out what I can afford.
It's a nuisance, and most computers nowadays don't come with a decent graphics card, so if you're a gamer, that takes even longer to research.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412468</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>alinuxguruofyore</author>
	<datestamp>1268144940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790. It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>That is completely false  5265 is 90\% of 5850, not 4790.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790 .
It 's about 90 \ % of the 5850 for $ 200 .
.That is completely false 5265 is 90 \ % of 5850 , not 4790 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790.
It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.
.That is completely false  5265 is 90\% of 5850, not 4790.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411618</id>
	<title>What about CPU Coolers?</title>
	<author>Tromad</author>
	<datestamp>1268135400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since we're already on such a weird request for slashdot, does anyone have any recommendations for a silent but effective CPU cooler, preferably under $70? I have a stock core 2 duo which is really loud, and I've tried checking newegg but the noise information they give is vague and the type varies between manufacturers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since we 're already on such a weird request for slashdot , does anyone have any recommendations for a silent but effective CPU cooler , preferably under $ 70 ?
I have a stock core 2 duo which is really loud , and I 've tried checking newegg but the noise information they give is vague and the type varies between manufacturers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since we're already on such a weird request for slashdot, does anyone have any recommendations for a silent but effective CPU cooler, preferably under $70?
I have a stock core 2 duo which is really loud, and I've tried checking newegg but the noise information they give is vague and the type varies between manufacturers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31479122</id>
	<title>System Requirements</title>
	<author>chicknfood</author>
	<datestamp>1268644800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's a good place to start, find out if the games you want to play are actually playable, figure out what the minimum requirements are. most likely whatever is in your budget will be able to handle it.

<a href="http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/intro.aspx" title="systemrequ...ntslab.com" rel="nofollow">http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/intro.aspx</a> [systemrequ...ntslab.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a good place to start , find out if the games you want to play are actually playable , figure out what the minimum requirements are .
most likely whatever is in your budget will be able to handle it .
http : //cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/intro.aspx [ systemrequ...ntslab.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a good place to start, find out if the games you want to play are actually playable, figure out what the minimum requirements are.
most likely whatever is in your budget will be able to handle it.
http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/intro.aspx [systemrequ...ntslab.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411842</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Verunks</author>
	<datestamp>1268138700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790. It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.</p></div><p>never ever buy an ati card, they may look more powerful and cheaper than nvidia but their drivers suck, looks at tweakguides.com there is an "ati hotfix" almost every week or look at the ea/ubisoft/steam/whatever forums, there are always threads like "black screen with ati xxxx", "texture glitches with ati" etc..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790 .
It 's about 90 \ % of the 5850 for $ 200.never ever buy an ati card , they may look more powerful and cheaper than nvidia but their drivers suck , looks at tweakguides.com there is an " ati hotfix " almost every week or look at the ea/ubisoft/steam/whatever forums , there are always threads like " black screen with ati xxxx " , " texture glitches with ati " etc. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the video card... get a Raedeon 4790.
It's about 90\% of the 5850 for $200.never ever buy an ati card, they may look more powerful and cheaper than nvidia but their drivers suck, looks at tweakguides.com there is an "ati hotfix" almost every week or look at the ea/ubisoft/steam/whatever forums, there are always threads like "black screen with ati xxxx", "texture glitches with ati" etc..
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413930</id>
	<title>Oblivion benchmark it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268151420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In your case, it's very easy. Google for an Oblivion benchmark. If that's all you really want your computer to do, then just find the cheapest parts that score well in your desired resolution and framerate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In your case , it 's very easy .
Google for an Oblivion benchmark .
If that 's all you really want your computer to do , then just find the cheapest parts that score well in your desired resolution and framerate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In your case, it's very easy.
Google for an Oblivion benchmark.
If that's all you really want your computer to do, then just find the cheapest parts that score well in your desired resolution and framerate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411718</id>
	<title>There's no substitute for research</title>
	<author>SamuelRobinson</author>
	<datestamp>1268136840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I'm in the process of building yet another system for myself. You've done part of the research already if you know what uses you intend to put the system to. In some ways it's getting easier as the general power level of most boxes will do most tasks well. I could load you down with the results of my research, but generally that's not particularly helpful unless you need the same sort of box I do.</p><p>Some general observations. You don't need a particularly hot machine for what you're talking about. Any reasonably competent motherboard, processor and ram combination should work for you. I'd go with a highish end graphics card since you game even though Oblivion series doesn't require a frame monster. I'd pay attention to what's on the board and make sure it has the right peripherals. I actually need a serial port, do you? The various system guides (I tend to use Ars Technica's system guide) are a good place to evaluate components. I build my boxes to last about three years and often get about five, but I tend to go as close to the bleeding edge as I can. I've had a couple of cases where this has caused problems. There are a number of boards with integrated everything that just need a hard drive, dvd/cd, ram and CPU to get off of the ground. I've built several of these and they work fine for the sort of thing you're doing. I'd probably upgrade the video if I played a lot of games on them, but so far it's not been needed. Since you're thinking about movies I will mention that I've found fan noise really annoying, and you probably want an enclosure that manages cooling well without a bunch of fans (no overclocking...)</p><p>Walking into a resonably competent store and buying something in the top third of their system offerings will also get you something decent. I've told friends to just go get a Dell box and that worked too. They even had support and haven't had me over to fix their computer yet. It's all a matter of budget, preference, and how much time you want to spend. I've got about 30-40 hours in the design of the box I'm building.and I'm about eighty percent done. I'll use it for at least five years if my guess is right. YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm in the process of building yet another system for myself .
You 've done part of the research already if you know what uses you intend to put the system to .
In some ways it 's getting easier as the general power level of most boxes will do most tasks well .
I could load you down with the results of my research , but generally that 's not particularly helpful unless you need the same sort of box I do.Some general observations .
You do n't need a particularly hot machine for what you 're talking about .
Any reasonably competent motherboard , processor and ram combination should work for you .
I 'd go with a highish end graphics card since you game even though Oblivion series does n't require a frame monster .
I 'd pay attention to what 's on the board and make sure it has the right peripherals .
I actually need a serial port , do you ?
The various system guides ( I tend to use Ars Technica 's system guide ) are a good place to evaluate components .
I build my boxes to last about three years and often get about five , but I tend to go as close to the bleeding edge as I can .
I 've had a couple of cases where this has caused problems .
There are a number of boards with integrated everything that just need a hard drive , dvd/cd , ram and CPU to get off of the ground .
I 've built several of these and they work fine for the sort of thing you 're doing .
I 'd probably upgrade the video if I played a lot of games on them , but so far it 's not been needed .
Since you 're thinking about movies I will mention that I 've found fan noise really annoying , and you probably want an enclosure that manages cooling well without a bunch of fans ( no overclocking... ) Walking into a resonably competent store and buying something in the top third of their system offerings will also get you something decent .
I 've told friends to just go get a Dell box and that worked too .
They even had support and have n't had me over to fix their computer yet .
It 's all a matter of budget , preference , and how much time you want to spend .
I 've got about 30-40 hours in the design of the box I 'm building.and I 'm about eighty percent done .
I 'll use it for at least five years if my guess is right .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm in the process of building yet another system for myself.
You've done part of the research already if you know what uses you intend to put the system to.
In some ways it's getting easier as the general power level of most boxes will do most tasks well.
I could load you down with the results of my research, but generally that's not particularly helpful unless you need the same sort of box I do.Some general observations.
You don't need a particularly hot machine for what you're talking about.
Any reasonably competent motherboard, processor and ram combination should work for you.
I'd go with a highish end graphics card since you game even though Oblivion series doesn't require a frame monster.
I'd pay attention to what's on the board and make sure it has the right peripherals.
I actually need a serial port, do you?
The various system guides (I tend to use Ars Technica's system guide) are a good place to evaluate components.
I build my boxes to last about three years and often get about five, but I tend to go as close to the bleeding edge as I can.
I've had a couple of cases where this has caused problems.
There are a number of boards with integrated everything that just need a hard drive, dvd/cd, ram and CPU to get off of the ground.
I've built several of these and they work fine for the sort of thing you're doing.
I'd probably upgrade the video if I played a lot of games on them, but so far it's not been needed.
Since you're thinking about movies I will mention that I've found fan noise really annoying, and you probably want an enclosure that manages cooling well without a bunch of fans (no overclocking...)Walking into a resonably competent store and buying something in the top third of their system offerings will also get you something decent.
I've told friends to just go get a Dell box and that worked too.
They even had support and haven't had me over to fix their computer yet.
It's all a matter of budget, preference, and how much time you want to spend.
I've got about 30-40 hours in the design of the box I'm building.and I'm about eighty percent done.
I'll use it for at least five years if my guess is right.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411774</id>
	<title>Slashdot is so boring anymore.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>blah blah blah faggots blah blah blah aids blah blah blah linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>blah blah blah faggots blah blah blah aids blah blah blah linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>blah blah blah faggots blah blah blah aids blah blah blah linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31417280</id>
	<title>Re:AMD's don't confuse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268164740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You only have to know what generation the processors are, within the generation it makes sense.  Core 2 is now last gen, the current gen is Core iX with i3 bringing up the low end, i5 in the middle and i7 at the high end (i9 is rumored to be on the way).</p><p>i7 can be slightly confusing because you have CPUs within i7 running on the LGA 1336 and LGA 1156 sockets, I'm going from memory here but I believe the i7 920 and up is LGA 1336 whereas the lower i7's (along with i5 and i3) are on LGA 1156.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You only have to know what generation the processors are , within the generation it makes sense .
Core 2 is now last gen , the current gen is Core iX with i3 bringing up the low end , i5 in the middle and i7 at the high end ( i9 is rumored to be on the way ) .i7 can be slightly confusing because you have CPUs within i7 running on the LGA 1336 and LGA 1156 sockets , I 'm going from memory here but I believe the i7 920 and up is LGA 1336 whereas the lower i7 's ( along with i5 and i3 ) are on LGA 1156 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You only have to know what generation the processors are, within the generation it makes sense.
Core 2 is now last gen, the current gen is Core iX with i3 bringing up the low end, i5 in the middle and i7 at the high end (i9 is rumored to be on the way).i7 can be slightly confusing because you have CPUs within i7 running on the LGA 1336 and LGA 1156 sockets, I'm going from memory here but I believe the i7 920 and up is LGA 1336 whereas the lower i7's (along with i5 and i3) are on LGA 1156.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412032</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268141400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All I want is something that will run Oblivion</p></div> </blockquote><p>2006 called and wants it's game back.</p><p>Why not splurge and spend an extra 45 bucks and get something that'll run Dragon Age: Origins?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All I want is something that will run Oblivion 2006 called and wants it 's game back.Why not splurge and spend an extra 45 bucks and get something that 'll run Dragon Age : Origins ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I want is something that will run Oblivion 2006 called and wants it's game back.Why not splurge and spend an extra 45 bucks and get something that'll run Dragon Age: Origins?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411728</id>
	<title>Re:Set a budget</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268136960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah, apart from the weird names, the prices are fairly representative of their performance by themselves, so follow the price to sort them out - remember that even if those are correlated there is not a linear correlation as you can see in this graph:<br><br>http://backoffice.ajb.com.au//images/news/cpu-table-2010.jpg<br><br>if you know you want a feature for sure (dx11 for gpu, or vt for cpu, or anything) just filter parts by that feature and you still have their performance stated not only by names but mostly by prices</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , apart from the weird names , the prices are fairly representative of their performance by themselves , so follow the price to sort them out - remember that even if those are correlated there is not a linear correlation as you can see in this graph : http : //backoffice.ajb.com.au//images/news/cpu-table-2010.jpgif you know you want a feature for sure ( dx11 for gpu , or vt for cpu , or anything ) just filter parts by that feature and you still have their performance stated not only by names but mostly by prices</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, apart from the weird names, the prices are fairly representative of their performance by themselves, so follow the price to sort them out - remember that even if those are correlated there is not a linear correlation as you can see in this graph:http://backoffice.ajb.com.au//images/news/cpu-table-2010.jpgif you know you want a feature for sure (dx11 for gpu, or vt for cpu, or anything) just filter parts by that feature and you still have their performance stated not only by names but mostly by prices</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31433508</id>
	<title>Re:possibly the biggest kdawson fail yet</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1268231460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None of them did, and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. helped.  I could have tried elsewhere... where does<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. suggest I post this question?  I don't want benchmarks, I don't want architecture discussions, I don't want nerd rage.</p><p>What I wanted was a broad range of input from people who most likely buy computers, but don't always geek out on following all of the hardware every release.  I posted questions similar to this on Nvidia and ATI forums, and got less information than found here - basically see what's on the shelf at computer stores and buy those.  Things I didn't consider before reading these posts: driver stability, open source support, virtualization.</p><p>Normally I'd build a database of all available hardware, link which ones are compatible, add attributes I want, eliminate ones that don't fit, then add pricing to the database for the remaining ones and buy from there.  That's the geek way.  But that's not how people buy things.  In short, I wanted opinions from the wide range of experience here, not specialized zealotry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of them did , and / .
helped. I could have tried elsewhere... where does / .
suggest I post this question ?
I do n't want benchmarks , I do n't want architecture discussions , I do n't want nerd rage.What I wanted was a broad range of input from people who most likely buy computers , but do n't always geek out on following all of the hardware every release .
I posted questions similar to this on Nvidia and ATI forums , and got less information than found here - basically see what 's on the shelf at computer stores and buy those .
Things I did n't consider before reading these posts : driver stability , open source support , virtualization.Normally I 'd build a database of all available hardware , link which ones are compatible , add attributes I want , eliminate ones that do n't fit , then add pricing to the database for the remaining ones and buy from there .
That 's the geek way .
But that 's not how people buy things .
In short , I wanted opinions from the wide range of experience here , not specialized zealotry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of them did, and /.
helped.  I could have tried elsewhere... where does /.
suggest I post this question?
I don't want benchmarks, I don't want architecture discussions, I don't want nerd rage.What I wanted was a broad range of input from people who most likely buy computers, but don't always geek out on following all of the hardware every release.
I posted questions similar to this on Nvidia and ATI forums, and got less information than found here - basically see what's on the shelf at computer stores and buy those.
Things I didn't consider before reading these posts: driver stability, open source support, virtualization.Normally I'd build a database of all available hardware, link which ones are compatible, add attributes I want, eliminate ones that don't fit, then add pricing to the database for the remaining ones and buy from there.
That's the geek way.
But that's not how people buy things.
In short, I wanted opinions from the wide range of experience here, not specialized zealotry.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31413964</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>Glendale2x</author>
	<datestamp>1268151540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it). It is true Mac offers little options. Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology, and you get what you paid for - however, since you are on slashdot, chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down' approach Mac OS X takes. As with desktops, the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac (unless you have a Mac Pro), limiting your opportunities to add a new video card, or maybe an additional hard drive, etc. </i></p><p>You used to be able to get a nifty different architecture out of it when it was still the PowerPC line, but these days, yeah, you're just getting premium prices on commodity hardware. The only advantage is that you're getting a system with pre-screened parts and an OS that are known to work together (in theory, nothing is perfect, but still less permutations than WIndows has to deal with).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch ( still have n't gotten around too it ) .
It is true Mac offers little options .
Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology , and you get what you paid for - however , since you are on slashdot , chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down ' approach Mac OS X takes .
As with desktops , the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac ( unless you have a Mac Pro ) , limiting your opportunities to add a new video card , or maybe an additional hard drive , etc .
You used to be able to get a nifty different architecture out of it when it was still the PowerPC line , but these days , yeah , you 're just getting premium prices on commodity hardware .
The only advantage is that you 're getting a system with pre-screened parts and an OS that are known to work together ( in theory , nothing is perfect , but still less permutations than WIndows has to deal with ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it).
It is true Mac offers little options.
Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology, and you get what you paid for - however, since you are on slashdot, chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down' approach Mac OS X takes.
As with desktops, the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac (unless you have a Mac Pro), limiting your opportunities to add a new video card, or maybe an additional hard drive, etc.
You used to be able to get a nifty different architecture out of it when it was still the PowerPC line, but these days, yeah, you're just getting premium prices on commodity hardware.
The only advantage is that you're getting a system with pre-screened parts and an OS that are known to work together (in theory, nothing is perfect, but still less permutations than WIndows has to deal with).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414444</id>
	<title>sigh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268153400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stupid noobs GTFO My Interwebs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stupid noobs GTFO My Interwebs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stupid noobs GTFO My Interwebs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411582</id>
	<title>Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it). It is true Mac offers little options. Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology, and you get what you paid for - however, since you are on slashdot, chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down' approach Mac OS X takes. As with desktops, the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac (unless you have a Mac Pro), limiting your opportunities to add a new video card, or maybe an additional hard drive, etc.
<br> <br>
As for the original question, I use Newegg and tomshardware.com for all of my info, with the occasional google usage. I start with a motherboard I want, (taking note of northbridge), and look it up. I always pick Intel, they are much better bang for the buck than AMD atm. Processor wise - last time I made a computer it was all Core 2 Duo, with the option for extreme or not - much easier. But now you have i3, i5, i7 which are the lastest generation, on a LGA 1366 I believe, the i3 is the lowest tier, and i7 the hardcore enthusiast/gamer/video editor tier. I don't know anything about the models, just look for cache size and speed, those are the main specs for a processor. For the video card, I go with Nvidia because its much more compatible with linux (and FreeBSD) if you like to use their binaries vs. open source drivers. They recently changed how they do they naming, the lower 200 series, I believe are re-casts of the some of the 9xxx series.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch ( still have n't gotten around too it ) .
It is true Mac offers little options .
Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology , and you get what you paid for - however , since you are on slashdot , chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down ' approach Mac OS X takes .
As with desktops , the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac ( unless you have a Mac Pro ) , limiting your opportunities to add a new video card , or maybe an additional hard drive , etc .
As for the original question , I use Newegg and tomshardware.com for all of my info , with the occasional google usage .
I start with a motherboard I want , ( taking note of northbridge ) , and look it up .
I always pick Intel , they are much better bang for the buck than AMD atm .
Processor wise - last time I made a computer it was all Core 2 Duo , with the option for extreme or not - much easier .
But now you have i3 , i5 , i7 which are the lastest generation , on a LGA 1366 I believe , the i3 is the lowest tier , and i7 the hardcore enthusiast/gamer/video editor tier .
I do n't know anything about the models , just look for cache size and speed , those are the main specs for a processor .
For the video card , I go with Nvidia because its much more compatible with linux ( and FreeBSD ) if you like to use their binaries vs. open source drivers .
They recently changed how they do they naming , the lower 200 series , I believe are re-casts of the some of the 9xxx series .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it).
It is true Mac offers little options.
Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology, and you get what you paid for - however, since you are on slashdot, chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down' approach Mac OS X takes.
As with desktops, the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac (unless you have a Mac Pro), limiting your opportunities to add a new video card, or maybe an additional hard drive, etc.
As for the original question, I use Newegg and tomshardware.com for all of my info, with the occasional google usage.
I start with a motherboard I want, (taking note of northbridge), and look it up.
I always pick Intel, they are much better bang for the buck than AMD atm.
Processor wise - last time I made a computer it was all Core 2 Duo, with the option for extreme or not - much easier.
But now you have i3, i5, i7 which are the lastest generation, on a LGA 1366 I believe, the i3 is the lowest tier, and i7 the hardcore enthusiast/gamer/video editor tier.
I don't know anything about the models, just look for cache size and speed, those are the main specs for a processor.
For the video card, I go with Nvidia because its much more compatible with linux (and FreeBSD) if you like to use their binaries vs. open source drivers.
They recently changed how they do they naming, the lower 200 series, I believe are re-casts of the some of the 9xxx series.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414548</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>PingSpike</author>
	<datestamp>1268153820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was actually one of the biggest reasons I used AMD for so long. AMD hasn't been quite as awesome recently (it's hard to go anywhere but down from the socket A days though) but with intel the decent motherboards seem to cost an arm an leg...making tossing them a more painful operation than with AMD processors...in addition to a more frequent one.</p><p>I agree with your point though, you should just buy the best bang for buck combo at the current time. Some people don't like to tinker or upgrade as often, but the concept of "future proofing" with PC hardware is a fool's errand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was actually one of the biggest reasons I used AMD for so long .
AMD has n't been quite as awesome recently ( it 's hard to go anywhere but down from the socket A days though ) but with intel the decent motherboards seem to cost an arm an leg...making tossing them a more painful operation than with AMD processors...in addition to a more frequent one.I agree with your point though , you should just buy the best bang for buck combo at the current time .
Some people do n't like to tinker or upgrade as often , but the concept of " future proofing " with PC hardware is a fool 's errand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was actually one of the biggest reasons I used AMD for so long.
AMD hasn't been quite as awesome recently (it's hard to go anywhere but down from the socket A days though) but with intel the decent motherboards seem to cost an arm an leg...making tossing them a more painful operation than with AMD processors...in addition to a more frequent one.I agree with your point though, you should just buy the best bang for buck combo at the current time.
Some people don't like to tinker or upgrade as often, but the concept of "future proofing" with PC hardware is a fool's errand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412244</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1268142900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The catalyst drivers are good. I've never had a problem with them. AND they provide the best multiple desktop app available for windows, it is ALMOST as nice as linux. Recently as well they've changed their policy on laptop drivers. Previously they were 'forced' to simply send you to the manufacturer's site. But as of catalyst 13.1? (i think) you can use it for your laptops as well, and ignore the shitty branded version.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The catalyst drivers are good .
I 've never had a problem with them .
AND they provide the best multiple desktop app available for windows , it is ALMOST as nice as linux .
Recently as well they 've changed their policy on laptop drivers .
Previously they were 'forced ' to simply send you to the manufacturer 's site .
But as of catalyst 13.1 ?
( i think ) you can use it for your laptops as well , and ignore the shitty branded version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The catalyst drivers are good.
I've never had a problem with them.
AND they provide the best multiple desktop app available for windows, it is ALMOST as nice as linux.
Recently as well they've changed their policy on laptop drivers.
Previously they were 'forced' to simply send you to the manufacturer's site.
But as of catalyst 13.1?
(i think) you can use it for your laptops as well, and ignore the shitty branded version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411512</id>
	<title>Anonymous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268134260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oblivion is four years old. 1080p is not demanding for any computer.</p><p>Buy anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oblivion is four years old .
1080p is not demanding for any computer.Buy anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oblivion is four years old.
1080p is not demanding for any computer.Buy anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412746</id>
	<title>Re:Ars technica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268146320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I know this will not be a popular post, but I just go to http://store.apple.com/ and buy what I think is reasonable for the price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I know this will not be a popular post , but I just go to http : //store.apple.com/ and buy what I think is reasonable for the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I know this will not be a popular post, but I just go to http://store.apple.com/ and buy what I think is reasonable for the price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415190</id>
	<title>Forum mining</title>
	<author>Hig</author>
	<datestamp>1268155980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently upgraded my PC of about 5 years. Realising that I hadn't kept completely in touch with advancements in PC technology, I went forum mining.</p><p>I knew I wanted to play Dragon Age: Origins and I wanted it to run great. Searching related forums for Dragon Age I found plenty of people who had helped other with issues. Quite a few of these people list their current system spec in their signature.</p><p>Once I had a basic idea that was within my budget I cross referenced this with a few searches through over-clocker forums. Again there where many people who assist each other and also quote their system specs.</p><p>I found this process to be a fairly quick way on buying an on-budget (well, I did go a little over but what the heck) system made up of compatible components that were up to the job of playing the games I want to play.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently upgraded my PC of about 5 years .
Realising that I had n't kept completely in touch with advancements in PC technology , I went forum mining.I knew I wanted to play Dragon Age : Origins and I wanted it to run great .
Searching related forums for Dragon Age I found plenty of people who had helped other with issues .
Quite a few of these people list their current system spec in their signature.Once I had a basic idea that was within my budget I cross referenced this with a few searches through over-clocker forums .
Again there where many people who assist each other and also quote their system specs.I found this process to be a fairly quick way on buying an on-budget ( well , I did go a little over but what the heck ) system made up of compatible components that were up to the job of playing the games I want to play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently upgraded my PC of about 5 years.
Realising that I hadn't kept completely in touch with advancements in PC technology, I went forum mining.I knew I wanted to play Dragon Age: Origins and I wanted it to run great.
Searching related forums for Dragon Age I found plenty of people who had helped other with issues.
Quite a few of these people list their current system spec in their signature.Once I had a basic idea that was within my budget I cross referenced this with a few searches through over-clocker forums.
Again there where many people who assist each other and also quote their system specs.I found this process to be a fairly quick way on buying an on-budget (well, I did go a little over but what the heck) system made up of compatible components that were up to the job of playing the games I want to play.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31417938</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1268167620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm... Did fine for me.</p><p>But... I do prefer Corsairs myself. Somehow, it just doesn't feel right to me to have the motherboard powered by a modular cable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm... Did fine for me.But... I do prefer Corsairs myself .
Somehow , it just does n't feel right to me to have the motherboard powered by a modular cable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm... Did fine for me.But... I do prefer Corsairs myself.
Somehow, it just doesn't feel right to me to have the motherboard powered by a modular cable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412334</id>
	<title>Re:Don't buy a Mac</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1268143980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it). It is true Mac offers little options. Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology, and you get what you paid for - however, since you are on slashdot, chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down' approach Mac OS X takes. As with desktops, the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac (unless you have a Mac Pro), limiting your opportunities to add a new video card, or maybe an additional hard drive, etc.</p> </div><p>Not sure if you looked into this, but if your computer is compatible enough, you could have just installed OS X Leopard/Snow Leopard straight on it. Some computers need slight modifications to make it work great; others aren't worth the effort. I did this with my Dell Latitude E-series a few months ago and enjoyed the experience! (I've also heard that iPhone development on an OSx86 box is possible.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch ( still have n't gotten around too it ) .
It is true Mac offers little options .
Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology , and you get what you paid for - however , since you are on slashdot , chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down ' approach Mac OS X takes .
As with desktops , the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac ( unless you have a Mac Pro ) , limiting your opportunities to add a new video card , or maybe an additional hard drive , etc .
Not sure if you looked into this , but if your computer is compatible enough , you could have just installed OS X Leopard/Snow Leopard straight on it .
Some computers need slight modifications to make it work great ; others are n't worth the effort .
I did this with my Dell Latitude E-series a few months ago and enjoyed the experience !
( I 've also heard that iPhone development on an OSx86 box is possible .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not recommend buying a Mac - I bought one because that is the only way to develop for the iPhone/iPod Touch (still haven't gotten around too it).
It is true Mac offers little options.
Some Mac junkies like to argue that you get the best technology, and you get what you paid for - however, since you are on slashdot, chances are you will not like the 'dumbed-down' approach Mac OS X takes.
As with desktops, the only upgrade path is buy a new Mac (unless you have a Mac Pro), limiting your opportunities to add a new video card, or maybe an additional hard drive, etc.
Not sure if you looked into this, but if your computer is compatible enough, you could have just installed OS X Leopard/Snow Leopard straight on it.
Some computers need slight modifications to make it work great; others aren't worth the effort.
I did this with my Dell Latitude E-series a few months ago and enjoyed the experience!
(I've also heard that iPhone development on an OSx86 box is possible.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411646</id>
	<title>Try a few benchmark sites...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally, I'm a fan of www.bluewaffle.net, but other suggestions such as www.sharkyextreme.com and www.tomshardware.com are good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I 'm a fan of www.bluewaffle.net , but other suggestions such as www.sharkyextreme.com and www.tomshardware.com are good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I'm a fan of www.bluewaffle.net, but other suggestions such as www.sharkyextreme.com and www.tomshardware.com are good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412166</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Sehnsucht</author>
	<datestamp>1268142360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was ages ago. Now you have nvidia melting your card down with buggy drivers. It can go both ways.</p><p>AMD/ATI releases regularly scheduled driver updates and for anything inbetween issues a hotfix as necessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was ages ago .
Now you have nvidia melting your card down with buggy drivers .
It can go both ways.AMD/ATI releases regularly scheduled driver updates and for anything inbetween issues a hotfix as necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was ages ago.
Now you have nvidia melting your card down with buggy drivers.
It can go both ways.AMD/ATI releases regularly scheduled driver updates and for anything inbetween issues a hotfix as necessary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411986</id>
	<title>Re:For whoever tagged this "notanerd"/"doesntbelon</title>
	<author>adnonsense</author>
	<datestamp>1268140920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same here. Between 2005 and 2009 I had no need to build a new PC (or even mess about with the innards of recently built boxes), and had to spend a couple of evenings familiarising myself with all the new acronyms and what they meant.  AGP, IDE: all but gone. Yet more ram types. Mysterious new slots, with good old PCI going the way of ISA (relegated to a couple of token slots at the bottom). So many "cores" to think about. Gigs of RAM cheap as chips. Etc. etc. It was almost like being a time-traveller who's been zapped a few years into the future.</p><p>Still amazed by how many boards still have floppy connectors though.</p><p>Anyway, I cast around, worked out what would work with what, and put together something from parts positioned mainly around the "sweet point" (maybe US$500 for parts and a bit more for a nice case) and it all works. Blazing fast, but off the top of my head now couldn't say exactly what I put in there; a post-Pentium Intel with a couple of cores, and maybe a P45 chipset? And a cheap graphics card (something NVIDIA) which works (almost) fine with my dual-monitor setup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here .
Between 2005 and 2009 I had no need to build a new PC ( or even mess about with the innards of recently built boxes ) , and had to spend a couple of evenings familiarising myself with all the new acronyms and what they meant .
AGP , IDE : all but gone .
Yet more ram types .
Mysterious new slots , with good old PCI going the way of ISA ( relegated to a couple of token slots at the bottom ) .
So many " cores " to think about .
Gigs of RAM cheap as chips .
Etc. etc .
It was almost like being a time-traveller who 's been zapped a few years into the future.Still amazed by how many boards still have floppy connectors though.Anyway , I cast around , worked out what would work with what , and put together something from parts positioned mainly around the " sweet point " ( maybe US $ 500 for parts and a bit more for a nice case ) and it all works .
Blazing fast , but off the top of my head now could n't say exactly what I put in there ; a post-Pentium Intel with a couple of cores , and maybe a P45 chipset ?
And a cheap graphics card ( something NVIDIA ) which works ( almost ) fine with my dual-monitor setup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here.
Between 2005 and 2009 I had no need to build a new PC (or even mess about with the innards of recently built boxes), and had to spend a couple of evenings familiarising myself with all the new acronyms and what they meant.
AGP, IDE: all but gone.
Yet more ram types.
Mysterious new slots, with good old PCI going the way of ISA (relegated to a couple of token slots at the bottom).
So many "cores" to think about.
Gigs of RAM cheap as chips.
Etc. etc.
It was almost like being a time-traveller who's been zapped a few years into the future.Still amazed by how many boards still have floppy connectors though.Anyway, I cast around, worked out what would work with what, and put together something from parts positioned mainly around the "sweet point" (maybe US$500 for parts and a bit more for a nice case) and it all works.
Blazing fast, but off the top of my head now couldn't say exactly what I put in there; a post-Pentium Intel with a couple of cores, and maybe a P45 chipset?
And a cheap graphics card (something NVIDIA) which works (almost) fine with my dual-monitor setup.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411594</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412756</id>
	<title>Re:Sillier than you know...</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1268146380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pricewatch wanted to test their servers against brute force attacks. The site's still up, so if it can survive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. it can survive anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pricewatch wanted to test their servers against brute force attacks .
The site 's still up , so if it can survive / .
it can survive anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pricewatch wanted to test their servers against brute force attacks.
The site's still up, so if it can survive /.
it can survive anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412322</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411632</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>Ecuador</author>
	<datestamp>1268135640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Radeon 4790? Where do you suggest he finds that?<br>I assume you mean Radeon 4890, which is at around $200 although at limited availability.<br>Still, I would suggest he gets the cheaper but more future-proof Radeon 5770. He might want to run DX11 in the future, or eyefinity.<br>Actually, if he really means Oblivion-level games only, and does not expect to start playing any newer stuff, even the 5770 is overkill and he should go for the $80 Radeon 5670 I see on NewEgg right now, or lower still...<br>Next on, your answer suggest that you don't consider sub-$200 processors as a valid market. Sorry to have to wake you up, but for most people (e.g. those wanting to run Oblivion and output to 1080p) an Athlon II X3 or X4 at under $100 is more than enough. In fact, the entire pc that fits OP's description should cost around $300-.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Radeon 4790 ?
Where do you suggest he finds that ? I assume you mean Radeon 4890 , which is at around $ 200 although at limited availability.Still , I would suggest he gets the cheaper but more future-proof Radeon 5770 .
He might want to run DX11 in the future , or eyefinity.Actually , if he really means Oblivion-level games only , and does not expect to start playing any newer stuff , even the 5770 is overkill and he should go for the $ 80 Radeon 5670 I see on NewEgg right now , or lower still...Next on , your answer suggest that you do n't consider sub- $ 200 processors as a valid market .
Sorry to have to wake you up , but for most people ( e.g .
those wanting to run Oblivion and output to 1080p ) an Athlon II X3 or X4 at under $ 100 is more than enough .
In fact , the entire pc that fits OP 's description should cost around $ 300- .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Radeon 4790?
Where do you suggest he finds that?I assume you mean Radeon 4890, which is at around $200 although at limited availability.Still, I would suggest he gets the cheaper but more future-proof Radeon 5770.
He might want to run DX11 in the future, or eyefinity.Actually, if he really means Oblivion-level games only, and does not expect to start playing any newer stuff, even the 5770 is overkill and he should go for the $80 Radeon 5670 I see on NewEgg right now, or lower still...Next on, your answer suggest that you don't consider sub-$200 processors as a valid market.
Sorry to have to wake you up, but for most people (e.g.
those wanting to run Oblivion and output to 1080p) an Athlon II X3 or X4 at under $100 is more than enough.
In fact, the entire pc that fits OP's description should cost around $300-.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411960</id>
	<title>Re:It can be confusing...</title>
	<author>barrkel</author>
	<datestamp>1268140680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you get a 920 and not overclock it? I run mine at 3.6GHz with ease, no voltage adjustments, no special cooling arrangements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you get a 920 and not overclock it ?
I run mine at 3.6GHz with ease , no voltage adjustments , no special cooling arrangements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you get a 920 and not overclock it?
I run mine at 3.6GHz with ease, no voltage adjustments, no special cooling arrangements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414852</id>
	<title>Re:Ars technica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268154900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I specced out the ars budget box a couple of weeks ago (amusingly seeing the prices creep up by ten quid when I went back to my shopping basket a couple of days later) and then discovered once I was serious about purchasing things a few days later having got round to doing all the necessary research the gigabyte mobo they suggested has been discontinued (at least on dabs UK site). I ended up buying an HP Touchsmart tm2 laptop in the meantime and have been so blown away by it I'm just going to stick with my current desktop for a while longer.</p><p>Anyway, all this is OT, so I'll let you get back to your little firestorm over AMD vs Intel. Enjoy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I specced out the ars budget box a couple of weeks ago ( amusingly seeing the prices creep up by ten quid when I went back to my shopping basket a couple of days later ) and then discovered once I was serious about purchasing things a few days later having got round to doing all the necessary research the gigabyte mobo they suggested has been discontinued ( at least on dabs UK site ) .
I ended up buying an HP Touchsmart tm2 laptop in the meantime and have been so blown away by it I 'm just going to stick with my current desktop for a while longer.Anyway , all this is OT , so I 'll let you get back to your little firestorm over AMD vs Intel .
Enjoy : o )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I specced out the ars budget box a couple of weeks ago (amusingly seeing the prices creep up by ten quid when I went back to my shopping basket a couple of days later) and then discovered once I was serious about purchasing things a few days later having got round to doing all the necessary research the gigabyte mobo they suggested has been discontinued (at least on dabs UK site).
I ended up buying an HP Touchsmart tm2 laptop in the meantime and have been so blown away by it I'm just going to stick with my current desktop for a while longer.Anyway, all this is OT, so I'll let you get back to your little firestorm over AMD vs Intel.
Enjoy :o)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411906</id>
	<title>More GPU bound than CPU bound nowadays</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1268139840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any CPU with more than 2 cores, should be able to handle most of what you want... I've been testing a dual core Atom 330 at work, and it's actually easy to forget it's not a "real" CPU (unless some FPU-intensive screensaver comes on).</p><p>For mid-to-low-end systems, GPUs are really the discriminator<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... what makes a difference with running games at decent resolutions and playing back video.  The model numbers are nuts, but I tend to cross-reference a few places:</p><p><a href="http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/" title="videocardbenchmark.net">http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/</a> [videocardbenchmark.net]  - a good comprehensive list that boils down and ranks just about every card out there into a single (artificial) benchmark number.</p><p>Wikipedia also has surprisingly good coverage of every family of chip, and what products are based off of them and tables of supported features - crucial for system building.  So I use it primarily to figure out things like:  which nVidia Geforce is equivalent to which Quadro FX branded model, what is the fastest memory my "Barton" core Athlon would support, what the hell is the difference between a 2.2Ghz "Williamette" vs. a 2.2Ghz "Prescott", etc.</p><p>I've also taken a liking to checking with <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/" title="phoronix.com">http://www.phoronix.com/</a> [phoronix.com] for Linux benchmarks and support for new hardware features and drivers... such as nVidia vs. ATi vs. Intel, which distribution has better VPDAU or audio support, etc.</p><p>And definitely once in a while read up on <a href="http://anandtech.com/" title="anandtech.com">http://anandtech.com/</a> [anandtech.com] and <a href="http://tomshardware.com/" title="tomshardware.com">http://tomshardware.com/</a> [tomshardware.com] if it's been a while and you need a comprehensive explanation of new tech, such as SSDs or long-term price vs. performance investment strategies... those can really help you plan ahead (Intel &amp; nVidia's tick-tock release cycle, finding the best value, and just generally knowing which buzzwords are important and which are just marketing rubbish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any CPU with more than 2 cores , should be able to handle most of what you want... I 've been testing a dual core Atom 330 at work , and it 's actually easy to forget it 's not a " real " CPU ( unless some FPU-intensive screensaver comes on ) .For mid-to-low-end systems , GPUs are really the discriminator ... what makes a difference with running games at decent resolutions and playing back video .
The model numbers are nuts , but I tend to cross-reference a few places : http : //www.videocardbenchmark.net/ [ videocardbenchmark.net ] - a good comprehensive list that boils down and ranks just about every card out there into a single ( artificial ) benchmark number.Wikipedia also has surprisingly good coverage of every family of chip , and what products are based off of them and tables of supported features - crucial for system building .
So I use it primarily to figure out things like : which nVidia Geforce is equivalent to which Quadro FX branded model , what is the fastest memory my " Barton " core Athlon would support , what the hell is the difference between a 2.2Ghz " Williamette " vs. a 2.2Ghz " Prescott " , etc.I 've also taken a liking to checking with http : //www.phoronix.com/ [ phoronix.com ] for Linux benchmarks and support for new hardware features and drivers... such as nVidia vs. ATi vs. Intel , which distribution has better VPDAU or audio support , etc.And definitely once in a while read up on http : //anandtech.com/ [ anandtech.com ] and http : //tomshardware.com/ [ tomshardware.com ] if it 's been a while and you need a comprehensive explanation of new tech , such as SSDs or long-term price vs. performance investment strategies... those can really help you plan ahead ( Intel &amp; nVidia 's tick-tock release cycle , finding the best value , and just generally knowing which buzzwords are important and which are just marketing rubbish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any CPU with more than 2 cores, should be able to handle most of what you want... I've been testing a dual core Atom 330 at work, and it's actually easy to forget it's not a "real" CPU (unless some FPU-intensive screensaver comes on).For mid-to-low-end systems, GPUs are really the discriminator ... what makes a difference with running games at decent resolutions and playing back video.
The model numbers are nuts, but I tend to cross-reference a few places:http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ [videocardbenchmark.net]  - a good comprehensive list that boils down and ranks just about every card out there into a single (artificial) benchmark number.Wikipedia also has surprisingly good coverage of every family of chip, and what products are based off of them and tables of supported features - crucial for system building.
So I use it primarily to figure out things like:  which nVidia Geforce is equivalent to which Quadro FX branded model, what is the fastest memory my "Barton" core Athlon would support, what the hell is the difference between a 2.2Ghz "Williamette" vs. a 2.2Ghz "Prescott", etc.I've also taken a liking to checking with http://www.phoronix.com/ [phoronix.com] for Linux benchmarks and support for new hardware features and drivers... such as nVidia vs. ATi vs. Intel, which distribution has better VPDAU or audio support, etc.And definitely once in a while read up on http://anandtech.com/ [anandtech.com] and http://tomshardware.com/ [tomshardware.com] if it's been a while and you need a comprehensive explanation of new tech, such as SSDs or long-term price vs. performance investment strategies... those can really help you plan ahead (Intel &amp; nVidia's tick-tock release cycle, finding the best value, and just generally knowing which buzzwords are important and which are just marketing rubbish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416010</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>Rudeboy777</author>
	<datestamp>1268159100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is overly complicated for non-enthusiasts. My rule of thumb is simply make sure the PSU is 80-plus certified. 80\% efficiency can't be achieved by a PSU OEM without decent quality parts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is overly complicated for non-enthusiasts .
My rule of thumb is simply make sure the PSU is 80-plus certified .
80 \ % efficiency ca n't be achieved by a PSU OEM without decent quality parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is overly complicated for non-enthusiasts.
My rule of thumb is simply make sure the PSU is 80-plus certified.
80\% efficiency can't be achieved by a PSU OEM without decent quality parts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31422978</id>
	<title>Re:possibly the biggest kdawson fail yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268155380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes and No.  Sometimes we come to slashdot to use the advice of others so that we don't have to search through 1000000 different websites.  I know I've learned of a couple new websites from this ask slashdot. YMMV</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes and No .
Sometimes we come to slashdot to use the advice of others so that we do n't have to search through 1000000 different websites .
I know I 've learned of a couple new websites from this ask slashdot .
YMMV</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes and No.
Sometimes we come to slashdot to use the advice of others so that we don't have to search through 1000000 different websites.
I know I've learned of a couple new websites from this ask slashdot.
YMMV</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415414</id>
	<title>Watch for relabeled stuff...</title>
	<author>seebs</author>
	<datestamp>1268156760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing that bugs me is stuff like the recent Macs with "GT 120" cards in them.  What's that?  Well, looking around, it PROBABLY means a card that's the same chip as a GeForce 9500 GT.  Which is to say, a pretty low-end card.  But it's sure not easy to tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that bugs me is stuff like the recent Macs with " GT 120 " cards in them .
What 's that ?
Well , looking around , it PROBABLY means a card that 's the same chip as a GeForce 9500 GT .
Which is to say , a pretty low-end card .
But it 's sure not easy to tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that bugs me is stuff like the recent Macs with "GT 120" cards in them.
What's that?
Well, looking around, it PROBABLY means a card that's the same chip as a GeForce 9500 GT.
Which is to say, a pretty low-end card.
But it's sure not easy to tell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31415470</id>
	<title>Re:Just buy a complete machine</title>
	<author>kilgor</author>
	<datestamp>1268156940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't emphasize enough how helpful Silent PC Review was when I put together a computer last year.  Some of the articles are getting a bit dated, but the forums are great for more current information.

BensBargains is a good place to look for hardware deals, but most of my shopping was on NewEgg.  Look for items with free shipping if you buy from Newegg - their shipping charges are insane otherwise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't emphasize enough how helpful Silent PC Review was when I put together a computer last year .
Some of the articles are getting a bit dated , but the forums are great for more current information .
BensBargains is a good place to look for hardware deals , but most of my shopping was on NewEgg .
Look for items with free shipping if you buy from Newegg - their shipping charges are insane otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't emphasize enough how helpful Silent PC Review was when I put together a computer last year.
Some of the articles are getting a bit dated, but the forums are great for more current information.
BensBargains is a good place to look for hardware deals, but most of my shopping was on NewEgg.
Look for items with free shipping if you buy from Newegg - their shipping charges are insane otherwise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31416158</id>
	<title>Re:Only 2 components worth researching...</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1268159640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm pretty partial to Corsair and Cooler Master PSUs.  I've also bought a few Antec ones as well.  I was using Thermaltake for a while, but it seemed like every PSU of theirs I had died after about the warranty life + a month or two.  I've had 3 die on me.  Antec, only ever seen 2 dead ones, let alone one I purchased.  Corsair seem to have a really high build quality, same goes for the newer Cooler Master modular psu's.  Generally I tend to buy in the $50 to $120 range for my PSU, around 600W if I don't intend on dual GPUs, and around 800W if I do.
<br> <br>
There's also a large difference between a cheap PSU sold at 600W when that is their theoretical max, and a Cooler Master psu sold at 600W when that is their working max (700W input at about 85\% efficiency).
<br> <br>
With motherboards, it's really hard to tell when it's a new series.  I bought the first eVGA i680 nvidia board which wasn't cheap, and had a lot of problems with it.  If you can wait a few months until feedback hits, the ranking on newegg seems to be a fair indicator, I'll usually Search by chipset and size (mATX vs ATX) and then sort by best rating.  I won't necessarily buy the #1 slot as I'm partial to Gigabyte UD* boards lately, and if there's less that 25 reviews then read them.  One or two idiots can skew the results when there's only 5-10 reviews, and they don't understand the product.
<br> <br>
For CPUs, I currently go for dual cor, or higher, and for vx (virtualization) ability.  Speed for most CPUs these days at more than 2Ghz is more than most people need for most tasks.  If you want to do video, get the fastest you can afford. IMHO the best value today is probably an i5-750 or an i7-860, unless you want dual GPUs.  If you want dual GPUs it depends on your other needs, but at that point an AMD Phenom 2 965 is a good option, or pay the money and jump to an i7-920.
<br> <br>
For GPU, I usually shop around the $150-180 mark, because I find it tends to be the best value point.  Right now an AMD 4870, or 5770 are both good choices in that range.  nvidia's cards seem to be running out of stock at a lot of etailers, so a refresh is probably around the corner, right now the 250 or 260 range is nice, if you have an app that uses CUDA (nero recode).
<br> <br>
And as suggested, if you can afford it, go with an SSD, I'd recommend a 60-80GB SSD paired with a 1-2TB HDD.  OS and apps on the SSD, games and media on the HDD.  My new SSD after all my apps were installed and my profile migrated (without media files) took up about 35GB, and I wanted room to grow. 60-80GB will give you that head room... 30-45GB really won't for most use today, and you'll need to stay on top of it.  You can install apps to your HDD, or move your installed paths and mklink the directory over, but that's more work for a typical user.
<br> <br>
Other than that, get a nice case.  I just put together my new desktop this weekend, I have <a href="http://tr.im/t1newpc2010" title="tr.im">all my parts</a> [tr.im] listed, and some rundown of what I liked/disliked about them.  I've linked to amazon via affiliate, but to be honest, most of the purchases were via newegg.  Imho newegg has the best end user review system out there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty partial to Corsair and Cooler Master PSUs .
I 've also bought a few Antec ones as well .
I was using Thermaltake for a while , but it seemed like every PSU of theirs I had died after about the warranty life + a month or two .
I 've had 3 die on me .
Antec , only ever seen 2 dead ones , let alone one I purchased .
Corsair seem to have a really high build quality , same goes for the newer Cooler Master modular psu 's .
Generally I tend to buy in the $ 50 to $ 120 range for my PSU , around 600W if I do n't intend on dual GPUs , and around 800W if I do .
There 's also a large difference between a cheap PSU sold at 600W when that is their theoretical max , and a Cooler Master psu sold at 600W when that is their working max ( 700W input at about 85 \ % efficiency ) .
With motherboards , it 's really hard to tell when it 's a new series .
I bought the first eVGA i680 nvidia board which was n't cheap , and had a lot of problems with it .
If you can wait a few months until feedback hits , the ranking on newegg seems to be a fair indicator , I 'll usually Search by chipset and size ( mATX vs ATX ) and then sort by best rating .
I wo n't necessarily buy the # 1 slot as I 'm partial to Gigabyte UD * boards lately , and if there 's less that 25 reviews then read them .
One or two idiots can skew the results when there 's only 5-10 reviews , and they do n't understand the product .
For CPUs , I currently go for dual cor , or higher , and for vx ( virtualization ) ability .
Speed for most CPUs these days at more than 2Ghz is more than most people need for most tasks .
If you want to do video , get the fastest you can afford .
IMHO the best value today is probably an i5-750 or an i7-860 , unless you want dual GPUs .
If you want dual GPUs it depends on your other needs , but at that point an AMD Phenom 2 965 is a good option , or pay the money and jump to an i7-920 .
For GPU , I usually shop around the $ 150-180 mark , because I find it tends to be the best value point .
Right now an AMD 4870 , or 5770 are both good choices in that range .
nvidia 's cards seem to be running out of stock at a lot of etailers , so a refresh is probably around the corner , right now the 250 or 260 range is nice , if you have an app that uses CUDA ( nero recode ) .
And as suggested , if you can afford it , go with an SSD , I 'd recommend a 60-80GB SSD paired with a 1-2TB HDD .
OS and apps on the SSD , games and media on the HDD .
My new SSD after all my apps were installed and my profile migrated ( without media files ) took up about 35GB , and I wanted room to grow .
60-80GB will give you that head room... 30-45GB really wo n't for most use today , and you 'll need to stay on top of it .
You can install apps to your HDD , or move your installed paths and mklink the directory over , but that 's more work for a typical user .
Other than that , get a nice case .
I just put together my new desktop this weekend , I have all my parts [ tr.im ] listed , and some rundown of what I liked/disliked about them .
I 've linked to amazon via affiliate , but to be honest , most of the purchases were via newegg .
Imho newegg has the best end user review system out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty partial to Corsair and Cooler Master PSUs.
I've also bought a few Antec ones as well.
I was using Thermaltake for a while, but it seemed like every PSU of theirs I had died after about the warranty life + a month or two.
I've had 3 die on me.
Antec, only ever seen 2 dead ones, let alone one I purchased.
Corsair seem to have a really high build quality, same goes for the newer Cooler Master modular psu's.
Generally I tend to buy in the $50 to $120 range for my PSU, around 600W if I don't intend on dual GPUs, and around 800W if I do.
There's also a large difference between a cheap PSU sold at 600W when that is their theoretical max, and a Cooler Master psu sold at 600W when that is their working max (700W input at about 85\% efficiency).
With motherboards, it's really hard to tell when it's a new series.
I bought the first eVGA i680 nvidia board which wasn't cheap, and had a lot of problems with it.
If you can wait a few months until feedback hits, the ranking on newegg seems to be a fair indicator, I'll usually Search by chipset and size (mATX vs ATX) and then sort by best rating.
I won't necessarily buy the #1 slot as I'm partial to Gigabyte UD* boards lately, and if there's less that 25 reviews then read them.
One or two idiots can skew the results when there's only 5-10 reviews, and they don't understand the product.
For CPUs, I currently go for dual cor, or higher, and for vx (virtualization) ability.
Speed for most CPUs these days at more than 2Ghz is more than most people need for most tasks.
If you want to do video, get the fastest you can afford.
IMHO the best value today is probably an i5-750 or an i7-860, unless you want dual GPUs.
If you want dual GPUs it depends on your other needs, but at that point an AMD Phenom 2 965 is a good option, or pay the money and jump to an i7-920.
For GPU, I usually shop around the $150-180 mark, because I find it tends to be the best value point.
Right now an AMD 4870, or 5770 are both good choices in that range.
nvidia's cards seem to be running out of stock at a lot of etailers, so a refresh is probably around the corner, right now the 250 or 260 range is nice, if you have an app that uses CUDA (nero recode).
And as suggested, if you can afford it, go with an SSD, I'd recommend a 60-80GB SSD paired with a 1-2TB HDD.
OS and apps on the SSD, games and media on the HDD.
My new SSD after all my apps were installed and my profile migrated (without media files) took up about 35GB, and I wanted room to grow.
60-80GB will give you that head room... 30-45GB really won't for most use today, and you'll need to stay on top of it.
You can install apps to your HDD, or move your installed paths and mklink the directory over, but that's more work for a typical user.
Other than that, get a nice case.
I just put together my new desktop this weekend, I have all my parts [tr.im] listed, and some rundown of what I liked/disliked about them.
I've linked to amazon via affiliate, but to be honest, most of the purchases were via newegg.
Imho newegg has the best end user review system out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31414382</id>
	<title>Re:Sillier than you know...</title>
	<author>c++0xFF</author>
	<datestamp>1268153220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The next test is to annoy 4chan &amp; Anonymous</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The next test is to annoy 4chan &amp; Anonymous</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next test is to annoy 4chan &amp; Anonymous</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31412004</id>
	<title>Re:Buy a new Mac every 3 years</title>
	<author>machine321</author>
	<datestamp>1268141160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know Macs have model numbers and I know they have CPU's which also have model numbers. I don't know any of those numbers.</p></div><p>You can hand in your five-digit Slashdot ID now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know Macs have model numbers and I know they have CPU 's which also have model numbers .
I do n't know any of those numbers.You can hand in your five-digit Slashdot ID now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know Macs have model numbers and I know they have CPU's which also have model numbers.
I don't know any of those numbers.You can hand in your five-digit Slashdot ID now.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_09_0134223.31411848</id>
	<title>how do you buy a computer these days?</title>
	<author>ledow</author>
	<datestamp>1268138760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"how do you buy a computer these days?"</p><p>- Set myself a minimum requirement (run this app, boot up in this amount of time, perform so-many I/O operations per second, etc.)<br>- Look at the specifications available from a range of my usual suppliers.  Don't bother to look elsewhere - if you can't buy it, it doesn't exist.  If you have to hunt for it, it'll be rare, expensive, not as well supported and probably far too specialist for your needs.<br>- Narrow things down by a sensible budget.<br>- Compare the specifications there against each other and, by looking them up on the net if necessary, find out which one is more suitable and best value-for-money for your needs (Is an Atom faster than whatever is in the other machine?  Can my game take advantage of a second core?).</p><p>Basically, look at the "recommended" spec on those games you want to play, then go on about 10-12 large websites that sell computers to the market you're in (e.g. gaming) and see what they offer.  The chances of being able to build anything comparable for the same / lower price are minimal - those days have gone and you're more likely to balls things up if you don't know what processor socket or PSU you need to run things properly.</p><p>Seriously, how hard is it?  Ignore ALL of the marketing... see what you can afford, see what you need, see where they match (if at all), then do your research on those 2-3 models of machine (including their major components) that are good for you instead of trying to research every component that's currently available in every model that ever existed.  I've managed to sort through a hundred models of PC to get to three in a few minutes, and then I just researched those three and actually spent nearly five times as long doing that last bit of thorough research properly.</p><p>If you want to know, I do this for a living for mainstream businesses / schools and that means everything from high-end CAD-stations to netbooks.  It's *still* cheaper to buy the right thing from a large retailer's website than it is to mess about trying to cobble things together, whether you're buying one or hundreds.  I have no idea what "name" processor is in 90\% of the desktops I've bought... I can barely remember if they were Intel or AMD.  It really doesn't matter at all what the codename is, I have no idea what the latest interfaces, cache sizes, socket-sizes, memory technology etc. even are.  I just look it up when I have already narrowed things down to models with those components and make a decision based on what I can easily buy, how much I want to spend and what I *need* the computer to have / do.</p><p>You don't *need* to know all that rubbish, it's all just marketing anyway.  What you need to do is see what's available and then check how well it's likely to run your games (e.g. benchmarks on similar games for the individual components, whether the processor is multi-core or not and whether the game can benefit).  Let the assembly guys at a large company worry about whether the sockets are compatible, whether the memory timings are right, whether the PSU is powerful enough etc.  If they mess it up, it costs them money.  If you mess it up because you built it yourself or deviated from their normal bundles, it costs you money.</p><p>And no, you do *not* end up paying a premium to do things this way.  You save money even before the things arrive on your doorstep due to the wonders of bulk-buying (Ever wonder *why* those bundle deals are so cheap?  Mass purchasing by ordinary businesses, usually, if you ignore the holiday seasons), let alone the savings in not having to worry about destroying a card or PSU because you ordered a standard bundle and a "Super Duper Turbo Hyper Fighting" graphics card and put them together yourself because you heard it gets 1fps better on some random website.</p><p>Set yourself a specification (e.g. dual-core or not, speed in GHz, whether you are worried about the power it saps, X amount of RAM, etc.).  Set yourself a budget.  Find out how much stuff matches those.  If it's a lot, set yourself a st</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" how do you buy a computer these days ?
" - Set myself a minimum requirement ( run this app , boot up in this amount of time , perform so-many I/O operations per second , etc .
) - Look at the specifications available from a range of my usual suppliers .
Do n't bother to look elsewhere - if you ca n't buy it , it does n't exist .
If you have to hunt for it , it 'll be rare , expensive , not as well supported and probably far too specialist for your needs.- Narrow things down by a sensible budget.- Compare the specifications there against each other and , by looking them up on the net if necessary , find out which one is more suitable and best value-for-money for your needs ( Is an Atom faster than whatever is in the other machine ?
Can my game take advantage of a second core ?
) .Basically , look at the " recommended " spec on those games you want to play , then go on about 10-12 large websites that sell computers to the market you 're in ( e.g .
gaming ) and see what they offer .
The chances of being able to build anything comparable for the same / lower price are minimal - those days have gone and you 're more likely to balls things up if you do n't know what processor socket or PSU you need to run things properly.Seriously , how hard is it ?
Ignore ALL of the marketing... see what you can afford , see what you need , see where they match ( if at all ) , then do your research on those 2-3 models of machine ( including their major components ) that are good for you instead of trying to research every component that 's currently available in every model that ever existed .
I 've managed to sort through a hundred models of PC to get to three in a few minutes , and then I just researched those three and actually spent nearly five times as long doing that last bit of thorough research properly.If you want to know , I do this for a living for mainstream businesses / schools and that means everything from high-end CAD-stations to netbooks .
It 's * still * cheaper to buy the right thing from a large retailer 's website than it is to mess about trying to cobble things together , whether you 're buying one or hundreds .
I have no idea what " name " processor is in 90 \ % of the desktops I 've bought... I can barely remember if they were Intel or AMD .
It really does n't matter at all what the codename is , I have no idea what the latest interfaces , cache sizes , socket-sizes , memory technology etc .
even are .
I just look it up when I have already narrowed things down to models with those components and make a decision based on what I can easily buy , how much I want to spend and what I * need * the computer to have / do.You do n't * need * to know all that rubbish , it 's all just marketing anyway .
What you need to do is see what 's available and then check how well it 's likely to run your games ( e.g .
benchmarks on similar games for the individual components , whether the processor is multi-core or not and whether the game can benefit ) .
Let the assembly guys at a large company worry about whether the sockets are compatible , whether the memory timings are right , whether the PSU is powerful enough etc .
If they mess it up , it costs them money .
If you mess it up because you built it yourself or deviated from their normal bundles , it costs you money.And no , you do * not * end up paying a premium to do things this way .
You save money even before the things arrive on your doorstep due to the wonders of bulk-buying ( Ever wonder * why * those bundle deals are so cheap ?
Mass purchasing by ordinary businesses , usually , if you ignore the holiday seasons ) , let alone the savings in not having to worry about destroying a card or PSU because you ordered a standard bundle and a " Super Duper Turbo Hyper Fighting " graphics card and put them together yourself because you heard it gets 1fps better on some random website.Set yourself a specification ( e.g .
dual-core or not , speed in GHz , whether you are worried about the power it saps , X amount of RAM , etc. ) .
Set yourself a budget .
Find out how much stuff matches those .
If it 's a lot , set yourself a st</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"how do you buy a computer these days?
"- Set myself a minimum requirement (run this app, boot up in this amount of time, perform so-many I/O operations per second, etc.
)- Look at the specifications available from a range of my usual suppliers.
Don't bother to look elsewhere - if you can't buy it, it doesn't exist.
If you have to hunt for it, it'll be rare, expensive, not as well supported and probably far too specialist for your needs.- Narrow things down by a sensible budget.- Compare the specifications there against each other and, by looking them up on the net if necessary, find out which one is more suitable and best value-for-money for your needs (Is an Atom faster than whatever is in the other machine?
Can my game take advantage of a second core?
).Basically, look at the "recommended" spec on those games you want to play, then go on about 10-12 large websites that sell computers to the market you're in (e.g.
gaming) and see what they offer.
The chances of being able to build anything comparable for the same / lower price are minimal - those days have gone and you're more likely to balls things up if you don't know what processor socket or PSU you need to run things properly.Seriously, how hard is it?
Ignore ALL of the marketing... see what you can afford, see what you need, see where they match (if at all), then do your research on those 2-3 models of machine (including their major components) that are good for you instead of trying to research every component that's currently available in every model that ever existed.
I've managed to sort through a hundred models of PC to get to three in a few minutes, and then I just researched those three and actually spent nearly five times as long doing that last bit of thorough research properly.If you want to know, I do this for a living for mainstream businesses / schools and that means everything from high-end CAD-stations to netbooks.
It's *still* cheaper to buy the right thing from a large retailer's website than it is to mess about trying to cobble things together, whether you're buying one or hundreds.
I have no idea what "name" processor is in 90\% of the desktops I've bought... I can barely remember if they were Intel or AMD.
It really doesn't matter at all what the codename is, I have no idea what the latest interfaces, cache sizes, socket-sizes, memory technology etc.
even are.
I just look it up when I have already narrowed things down to models with those components and make a decision based on what I can easily buy, how much I want to spend and what I *need* the computer to have / do.You don't *need* to know all that rubbish, it's all just marketing anyway.
What you need to do is see what's available and then check how well it's likely to run your games (e.g.
benchmarks on similar games for the individual components, whether the processor is multi-core or not and whether the game can benefit).
Let the assembly guys at a large company worry about whether the sockets are compatible, whether the memory timings are right, whether the PSU is powerful enough etc.
If they mess it up, it costs them money.
If you mess it up because you built it yourself or deviated from their normal bundles, it costs you money.And no, you do *not* end up paying a premium to do things this way.
You save money even before the things arrive on your doorstep due to the wonders of bulk-buying (Ever wonder *why* those bundle deals are so cheap?
Mass purchasing by ordinary businesses, usually, if you ignore the holiday seasons), let alone the savings in not having to worry about destroying a card or PSU because you ordered a standard bundle and a "Super Duper Turbo Hyper Fighting" graphics card and put them together yourself because you heard it gets 1fps better on some random website.Set yourself a specification (e.g.
dual-core or not, speed in GHz, whether you are worried about the power it saps, X amount of RAM, etc.).
Set yourself a budget.
Find out how much stuff matches those.
If it's a lot, set yourself a st</sentencetext>
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