<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_08_1531228</id>
	<title>Energizer USB Battery Charger Software Infects PCs</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1268066940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>swandives writes <i>"Researchers at US-CERT have <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/338752/energizer\_bunny\_software\_infects\_pcs/">warned that software accompanying the Energizer DUO USB battery charger</a> contains a Trojan that gives hackers total access to a Windows PC. The product was sold in the US, Latin America, Europe and Asia starting in 2007. Upon installation, the software creates the file 'Arucer.dll,' a Trojan that <a href="http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/154421">listens for commands on TCP port 7777</a>. Upon receiving instructions, the Trojan can download and execute files, transmit files stolen from the PC, or tweak the Windows registry. Uninstalling the software disables the automatic execution of the Trojan. Users can also remove Arucer.dll from Windows' system32 directory and reboot the machine to disable the backdoor component."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>swandives writes " Researchers at US-CERT have warned that software accompanying the Energizer DUO USB battery charger contains a Trojan that gives hackers total access to a Windows PC .
The product was sold in the US , Latin America , Europe and Asia starting in 2007 .
Upon installation , the software creates the file 'Arucer.dll, ' a Trojan that listens for commands on TCP port 7777 .
Upon receiving instructions , the Trojan can download and execute files , transmit files stolen from the PC , or tweak the Windows registry .
Uninstalling the software disables the automatic execution of the Trojan .
Users can also remove Arucer.dll from Windows ' system32 directory and reboot the machine to disable the backdoor component .
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<sentencetext>swandives writes "Researchers at US-CERT have warned that software accompanying the Energizer DUO USB battery charger contains a Trojan that gives hackers total access to a Windows PC.
The product was sold in the US, Latin America, Europe and Asia starting in 2007.
Upon installation, the software creates the file 'Arucer.dll,' a Trojan that listens for commands on TCP port 7777.
Upon receiving instructions, the Trojan can download and execute files, transmit files stolen from the PC, or tweak the Windows registry.
Uninstalling the software disables the automatic execution of the Trojan.
Users can also remove Arucer.dll from Windows' system32 directory and reboot the machine to disable the backdoor component.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402936</id>
	<title>An AutoStart Fix for Windows XP and W2K</title>
	<author>NicknamesAreStupid</author>
	<datestamp>1268075400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This little trick will disable all autoplay features, eg. CDs, USB-memories etc. Open the registry editor,  regedt32.exe, and configure the following registry value:
<br>
Hive: HKEY\_LOCAL\_MACHINE<br>
Key: SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\Explorer<br>
Value Name: NoDriveTypeAutoRun<br>
Type: REG\_DWORD<br>
Value: hex: 0x03fffffff</htmltext>
<tokenext>This little trick will disable all autoplay features , eg .
CDs , USB-memories etc .
Open the registry editor , regedt32.exe , and configure the following registry value : Hive : HKEY \ _LOCAL \ _MACHINE Key : SOFTWARE \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ policies \ Explorer Value Name : NoDriveTypeAutoRun Type : REG \ _DWORD Value : hex : 0x03fffffff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This little trick will disable all autoplay features, eg.
CDs, USB-memories etc.
Open the registry editor,  regedt32.exe, and configure the following registry value:

Hive: HKEY\_LOCAL\_MACHINE
Key: SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\policies\Explorer
Value Name: NoDriveTypeAutoRun
Type: REG\_DWORD
Value: hex: 0x03fffffff</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403988</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>grumpyman</author>
	<datestamp>1268080020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The language code of the file is in Chinese - well they may have employed the manufacturer to write that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.dll?  I understand there's a chance that the hacker COULD BE Chinese but it's not even remotely conclusive.  Why anytime anybody mentioned anything about Chinese then it's all about "highly authoritarian state who is known to employ hackers", slave labour, environment, blah blah blah.  I'm not saying they don't have these problems but this post has remote speculative prospect to do with Chinese and all of a sudden it's yet another Chinese bashing thread.  Slashdot: stop whining and do something about it - western world is feeding the problem itself buying the goods that it wants.  I am sick and tired of anything bad with even remote linkage to Chinese has to be a bashing against them with mostly speculations, yet we're here happily using all the cool/cheap stuff manufactured there.  Get off the moral high horse because we are part of the problem.  If I'm OT here the parent is OT as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The language code of the file is in Chinese - well they may have employed the manufacturer to write that .dll ?
I understand there 's a chance that the hacker COULD BE Chinese but it 's not even remotely conclusive .
Why anytime anybody mentioned anything about Chinese then it 's all about " highly authoritarian state who is known to employ hackers " , slave labour , environment , blah blah blah .
I 'm not saying they do n't have these problems but this post has remote speculative prospect to do with Chinese and all of a sudden it 's yet another Chinese bashing thread .
Slashdot : stop whining and do something about it - western world is feeding the problem itself buying the goods that it wants .
I am sick and tired of anything bad with even remote linkage to Chinese has to be a bashing against them with mostly speculations , yet we 're here happily using all the cool/cheap stuff manufactured there .
Get off the moral high horse because we are part of the problem .
If I 'm OT here the parent is OT as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The language code of the file is in Chinese - well they may have employed the manufacturer to write that .dll?
I understand there's a chance that the hacker COULD BE Chinese but it's not even remotely conclusive.
Why anytime anybody mentioned anything about Chinese then it's all about "highly authoritarian state who is known to employ hackers", slave labour, environment, blah blah blah.
I'm not saying they don't have these problems but this post has remote speculative prospect to do with Chinese and all of a sudden it's yet another Chinese bashing thread.
Slashdot: stop whining and do something about it - western world is feeding the problem itself buying the goods that it wants.
I am sick and tired of anything bad with even remote linkage to Chinese has to be a bashing against them with mostly speculations, yet we're here happily using all the cool/cheap stuff manufactured there.
Get off the moral high horse because we are part of the problem.
If I'm OT here the parent is OT as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404114</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268080800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Glenn Beck, is that you ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Glenn Beck , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glenn Beck, is that you ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403264</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1268076840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least Windows XP SP2 replaced AutoRun with AutoPlay.  Devices (other than music CDs) no longer auto-run, instead asking you what you want to do with it, albeit with the AutoRun-specified item at the top of the list.</p><p>This was changed further in Windows Vista/7, so that USB/FireWire drives don't even acknowledge that they have an AutoRun option.  Which caused <a href="http://www.u3.com/" title="u3.com">U3</a> [u3.com] to blatantly abuse this by pretending its U3 partition is a CD-ROM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least Windows XP SP2 replaced AutoRun with AutoPlay .
Devices ( other than music CDs ) no longer auto-run , instead asking you what you want to do with it , albeit with the AutoRun-specified item at the top of the list.This was changed further in Windows Vista/7 , so that USB/FireWire drives do n't even acknowledge that they have an AutoRun option .
Which caused U3 [ u3.com ] to blatantly abuse this by pretending its U3 partition is a CD-ROM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least Windows XP SP2 replaced AutoRun with AutoPlay.
Devices (other than music CDs) no longer auto-run, instead asking you what you want to do with it, albeit with the AutoRun-specified item at the top of the list.This was changed further in Windows Vista/7, so that USB/FireWire drives don't even acknowledge that they have an AutoRun option.
Which caused U3 [u3.com] to blatantly abuse this by pretending its U3 partition is a CD-ROM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31410820</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268166480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google those CLSID's and you'll see that they are commands for the nefarious deeds the trojan does...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google those CLSID 's and you 'll see that they are commands for the nefarious deeds the trojan does.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google those CLSID's and you'll see that they are commands for the nefarious deeds the trojan does...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31406480</id>
	<title>Do not use on Vista</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268047080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know the parent said XP and 2K only - do not use on Vista.</p><p>With Windows Vista, the NoDriveTypeAutoRun  registry value actually has the opposite behavior than what Windows has documented. In other words, if you think that you have protected yourself by restricting AutoRun with this registry value, you have actually put yourself at additional risk. We have published details about this issue as US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#889747. The end result here is that a user may inadvertently execute code by clicking on the icon for a device, such as a USB thumb drive.</p><p><a href="http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/889747" title="cert.org" rel="nofollow">details here</a> [cert.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know the parent said XP and 2K only - do not use on Vista.With Windows Vista , the NoDriveTypeAutoRun registry value actually has the opposite behavior than what Windows has documented .
In other words , if you think that you have protected yourself by restricting AutoRun with this registry value , you have actually put yourself at additional risk .
We have published details about this issue as US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU # 889747 .
The end result here is that a user may inadvertently execute code by clicking on the icon for a device , such as a USB thumb drive.details here [ cert.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know the parent said XP and 2K only - do not use on Vista.With Windows Vista, the NoDriveTypeAutoRun  registry value actually has the opposite behavior than what Windows has documented.
In other words, if you think that you have protected yourself by restricting AutoRun with this registry value, you have actually put yourself at additional risk.
We have published details about this issue as US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#889747.
The end result here is that a user may inadvertently execute code by clicking on the icon for a device, such as a USB thumb drive.details here [cert.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402936</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402504</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Impy the Impiuos Imp</author>
	<datestamp>1268073300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I always wondered, with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge<br>&gt; over USB nowdays, why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting<br>&gt; into the specs of the next version of USB</p><p>You'd be surprised how lax are the implementations to "standards".  I've worked with both USB memory sticks for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mp3s and Bluetooth phones, and the code to handle them is a morass of special cases per manufacturer.  <b>Not</b> including the version number differences.  That's within the same interface version.</p><p>Implement "just the spec" and be damned with any mfr. who doesn't work correctly, and suddenly you've lopped off 55\% or more of the devices out there.  Your client OEM won't be too happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I always wondered , with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge &gt; over USB nowdays , why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting &gt; into the specs of the next version of USBYou 'd be surprised how lax are the implementations to " standards " .
I 've worked with both USB memory sticks for .mp3s and Bluetooth phones , and the code to handle them is a morass of special cases per manufacturer .
Not including the version number differences .
That 's within the same interface version.Implement " just the spec " and be damned with any mfr .
who does n't work correctly , and suddenly you 've lopped off 55 \ % or more of the devices out there .
Your client OEM wo n't be too happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I always wondered, with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge&gt; over USB nowdays, why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting&gt; into the specs of the next version of USBYou'd be surprised how lax are the implementations to "standards".
I've worked with both USB memory sticks for .mp3s and Bluetooth phones, and the code to handle them is a morass of special cases per manufacturer.
Not including the version number differences.
That's within the same interface version.Implement "just the spec" and be damned with any mfr.
who doesn't work correctly, and suddenly you've lopped off 55\% or more of the devices out there.
Your client OEM won't be too happy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402490</id>
	<title>Re:USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1268073240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. That's exactly what I just posted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
That 's exactly what I just posted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
That's exactly what I just posted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31410278</id>
	<title>Everyone throttle back for a minute...</title>
	<author>wronskyMan</author>
	<datestamp>1268073660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason the USB connection is needed is to provide the +5V power. At work, there were computers set to disable USB storage - and to report any attempts to the admins - since flashdrives etc were banned for these same security concerns. Had some small video cameras that needed recharging; 30 seconds with a pair of wire cutters and electrical tape resulted in a USB cable containing only the power and ground wires (no ability whatsoever for data to make it through).

Sounds like this is what Energizer needs to do. There is no need for data transfer in a battery charger, and extra wires put in by a rogue factory are a lot easier to detect than malicious code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason the USB connection is needed is to provide the + 5V power .
At work , there were computers set to disable USB storage - and to report any attempts to the admins - since flashdrives etc were banned for these same security concerns .
Had some small video cameras that needed recharging ; 30 seconds with a pair of wire cutters and electrical tape resulted in a USB cable containing only the power and ground wires ( no ability whatsoever for data to make it through ) .
Sounds like this is what Energizer needs to do .
There is no need for data transfer in a battery charger , and extra wires put in by a rogue factory are a lot easier to detect than malicious code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason the USB connection is needed is to provide the +5V power.
At work, there were computers set to disable USB storage - and to report any attempts to the admins - since flashdrives etc were banned for these same security concerns.
Had some small video cameras that needed recharging; 30 seconds with a pair of wire cutters and electrical tape resulted in a USB cable containing only the power and ground wires (no ability whatsoever for data to make it through).
Sounds like this is what Energizer needs to do.
There is no need for data transfer in a battery charger, and extra wires put in by a rogue factory are a lot easier to detect than malicious code.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403230</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>kgo</author>
	<datestamp>1268076720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course it could have been produced in Taiwan, which actually does a lot of electronics manufacturing...

Or it could have been a hacked XP disk that many less than reputable mom-and-pop computer shops were using.  One of the more popular ones defaulted to Chinese...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it could have been produced in Taiwan , which actually does a lot of electronics manufacturing.. . Or it could have been a hacked XP disk that many less than reputable mom-and-pop computer shops were using .
One of the more popular ones defaulted to Chinese.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it could have been produced in Taiwan, which actually does a lot of electronics manufacturing...

Or it could have been a hacked XP disk that many less than reputable mom-and-pop computer shops were using.
One of the more popular ones defaulted to Chinese...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402434</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1268073060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise... But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?</p></div><p>They blame Microsoft/subcontractors/trojan writers/OpenSource hippies, and it will not have any consequences for them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get it that the software can monitor charging , report stuff , advertise... But how does Energizer feel now , with egg on their faces ? They blame Microsoft/subcontractors/trojan writers/OpenSource hippies , and it will not have any consequences for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise... But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?They blame Microsoft/subcontractors/trojan writers/OpenSource hippies, and it will not have any consequences for them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403342</id>
	<title>Fucking communist!</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1268077140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look damnit, if the free market thought there was an advantage to doing things your way then we'd all be growing our own battery chargers on government plantations.  You presume to tell <i>American</i> businesses how to optimize their production lines?  Nonsense and tosh!  If you want something done a particular way, do it yourself!  Your elitist attitude makes me sick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look damnit , if the free market thought there was an advantage to doing things your way then we 'd all be growing our own battery chargers on government plantations .
You presume to tell American businesses how to optimize their production lines ?
Nonsense and tosh !
If you want something done a particular way , do it yourself !
Your elitist attitude makes me sick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look damnit, if the free market thought there was an advantage to doing things your way then we'd all be growing our own battery chargers on government plantations.
You presume to tell American businesses how to optimize their production lines?
Nonsense and tosh!
If you want something done a particular way, do it yourself!
Your elitist attitude makes me sick.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402994</id>
	<title>Whoa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268075700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Energizer Bunny exploits a backdoor and lets the world use it?</p><p>Ouch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Energizer Bunny exploits a backdoor and lets the world use it ? Ouch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Energizer Bunny exploits a backdoor and lets the world use it?Ouch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402292</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1268072520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If an item just needs re-charging via USB I have been just plugging them into a powered USB hub.</p><p>I do it as an energy saving scheme, no need to keep the computer on just to recharge a device.</p><p>If the device is just recharging it doesn't need the computer to tell it when its done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If an item just needs re-charging via USB I have been just plugging them into a powered USB hub.I do it as an energy saving scheme , no need to keep the computer on just to recharge a device.If the device is just recharging it does n't need the computer to tell it when its done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If an item just needs re-charging via USB I have been just plugging them into a powered USB hub.I do it as an energy saving scheme, no need to keep the computer on just to recharge a device.If the device is just recharging it doesn't need the computer to tell it when its done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402008</id>
	<title>Sometimes</title>
	<author>xav\_jones</author>
	<datestamp>1268071200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>No version for linux is a good thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No version for linux is a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No version for linux is a good thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402238</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>Sagelinka</author>
	<datestamp>1268072340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's interesting, it might be a coincidence though.  Ive never heard of "Battery Manufactures" having malicious software on there usb products or blaming it on others. But in this information age anything is possible if it has $$ next to it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's interesting , it might be a coincidence though .
Ive never heard of " Battery Manufactures " having malicious software on there usb products or blaming it on others .
But in this information age anything is possible if it has $ $ next to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's interesting, it might be a coincidence though.
Ive never heard of "Battery Manufactures" having malicious software on there usb products or blaming it on others.
But in this information age anything is possible if it has $$ next to it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402880</id>
	<title>Just wait until...</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1268075100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just wait until you plug it into your Toyota.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wait until you plug it into your Toyota .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wait until you plug it into your Toyota.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401992</id>
	<title>This Trojan</title>
	<author>retardpicnic</author>
	<datestamp>1268071140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>just keeps going....and going...and going....</htmltext>
<tokenext>just keeps going....and going...and going... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just keeps going....and going...and going....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</id>
	<title>Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268070540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting that Arucer.dll is (aside from an extra 'r') an anagram for Energizer's competitor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duracell" title="wikipedia.org">Duracell</a> [wikipedia.org].  Perhaps the authors of the software thought Duracell was spelled 'Durracell'?  And perhaps they decided to pick an anagram of the competitor to make it look as though Duracell is behind this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting that Arucer.dll is ( aside from an extra 'r ' ) an anagram for Energizer 's competitor Duracell [ wikipedia.org ] .
Perhaps the authors of the software thought Duracell was spelled 'Durracell ' ?
And perhaps they decided to pick an anagram of the competitor to make it look as though Duracell is behind this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting that Arucer.dll is (aside from an extra 'r') an anagram for Energizer's competitor Duracell [wikipedia.org].
Perhaps the authors of the software thought Duracell was spelled 'Durracell'?
And perhaps they decided to pick an anagram of the competitor to make it look as though Duracell is behind this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402670</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1268074020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't an issue with the charger presenting itself to the OS as a USB mass storage device ; this is an issue with the management software that comes with the device (or you can download it) and presents a graphical charge level monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't an issue with the charger presenting itself to the OS as a USB mass storage device ; this is an issue with the management software that comes with the device ( or you can download it ) and presents a graphical charge level monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't an issue with the charger presenting itself to the OS as a USB mass storage device ; this is an issue with the management software that comes with the device (or you can download it) and presents a graphical charge level monitor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404276</id>
	<title>The USB charging specification...</title>
	<author>msauve</author>
	<datestamp>1268081400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>states that "A Dedicated Charging Port is required to short the D+ line to the D- line."<br> <br>A USB hub obviously doesn't do that, so some devices won't charge off a lone hub.</htmltext>
<tokenext>states that " A Dedicated Charging Port is required to short the D + line to the D- line .
" A USB hub obviously does n't do that , so some devices wo n't charge off a lone hub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>states that "A Dedicated Charging Port is required to short the D+ line to the D- line.
" A USB hub obviously doesn't do that, so some devices won't charge off a lone hub.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402414</id>
	<title>Country of manufacture?</title>
	<author>spagthorpe</author>
	<datestamp>1268073000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would kind of guess "Made In China", and the special edition to the software could easily have been added at this phase.  It makes you start to wonder about a lot of products made there, and what they could also be doing.  Even something like a motherboard could have all kinds of things going on at a very low level, and who would have a clue?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would kind of guess " Made In China " , and the special edition to the software could easily have been added at this phase .
It makes you start to wonder about a lot of products made there , and what they could also be doing .
Even something like a motherboard could have all kinds of things going on at a very low level , and who would have a clue ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would kind of guess "Made In China", and the special edition to the software could easily have been added at this phase.
It makes you start to wonder about a lot of products made there, and what they could also be doing.
Even something like a motherboard could have all kinds of things going on at a very low level, and who would have a clue?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402282</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268072520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another commenter notes that the language code of the trojan is Chinese.</p><p>I think that American businesses should strongly reconsider the merits of having their goods produced in a highly authoritarian state who is known to employ hackers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another commenter notes that the language code of the trojan is Chinese.I think that American businesses should strongly reconsider the merits of having their goods produced in a highly authoritarian state who is known to employ hackers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another commenter notes that the language code of the trojan is Chinese.I think that American businesses should strongly reconsider the merits of having their goods produced in a highly authoritarian state who is known to employ hackers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403122</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268076300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Another commenter notes that the language code of the trojan is Chinese.</i></p><p>Chinese is not a coding language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another commenter notes that the language code of the trojan is Chinese.Chinese is not a coding language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another commenter notes that the language code of the trojan is Chinese.Chinese is not a coding language.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402036</id>
	<title>The Most Serious BotNet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/cloud/?CR\_CC=100357840&amp;wt.mc\_ID=MEDIA" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Steve Ballmer</a> [microsoft.com].</p><p>Enjoy.</p><p>Yous In Redmond,<br>KT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is Steve Ballmer [ microsoft.com ] .Enjoy.Yous In Redmond,KT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is Steve Ballmer [microsoft.com].Enjoy.Yous In Redmond,KT</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402394</id>
	<title>Easy to uninstall</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1268072880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>at least that particular backdoor. Trojans, bots, virus, other backdoors, keyloggers, etc, that went in during the 3 years that you had it installed will be a bit harder to uninstall. Same for the info that you considered safe that went thru your machine (passwords, credit card info, etc).<br><br>Anyway, a proper firewall (that at the very least dont let connect to your machine thru not specifically enabled ports) should had stopped most of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>at least that particular backdoor .
Trojans , bots , virus , other backdoors , keyloggers , etc , that went in during the 3 years that you had it installed will be a bit harder to uninstall .
Same for the info that you considered safe that went thru your machine ( passwords , credit card info , etc ) .Anyway , a proper firewall ( that at the very least dont let connect to your machine thru not specifically enabled ports ) should had stopped most of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at least that particular backdoor.
Trojans, bots, virus, other backdoors, keyloggers, etc, that went in during the 3 years that you had it installed will be a bit harder to uninstall.
Same for the info that you considered safe that went thru your machine (passwords, credit card info, etc).Anyway, a proper firewall (that at the very least dont let connect to your machine thru not specifically enabled ports) should had stopped most of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404724</id>
	<title>China</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1268040060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what happens when you make everything in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happens when you make everything in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happens when you make everything in China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402072</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have been reports of Arucer.dll utilizing 100\% CPU as far back as mid 2007. It was originally included by Energizer and used to check that the device was indeed connected to the machine.</p><p>They aren't sure how long dll has been infected, but all signs point to the entire time (back to May 2007). Considering how many forum posts have issues with the dll going back 2.5 years, you'd think someone would have figured it out long ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have been reports of Arucer.dll utilizing 100 \ % CPU as far back as mid 2007 .
It was originally included by Energizer and used to check that the device was indeed connected to the machine.They are n't sure how long dll has been infected , but all signs point to the entire time ( back to May 2007 ) .
Considering how many forum posts have issues with the dll going back 2.5 years , you 'd think someone would have figured it out long ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have been reports of Arucer.dll utilizing 100\% CPU as far back as mid 2007.
It was originally included by Energizer and used to check that the device was indeed connected to the machine.They aren't sure how long dll has been infected, but all signs point to the entire time (back to May 2007).
Considering how many forum posts have issues with the dll going back 2.5 years, you'd think someone would have figured it out long ago.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403276</id>
	<title>Interesting...</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1268076840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It gives hex dumps of some of the commands. (Since some of them would obviously require arguments, they clearly can&rsquo;t be full packets, but they&rsquo;re signatures of each particular packet.)</p><p>All of them follow this pattern:<br>C2 E5 E5 E5 9E<br>8 bytes that are different for each command<br>C8<br>4 bytes that vary<br>C8 D1<br>3 bytes that vary<br>C8<br>4 bytes that vary<br>C8<br>12 bytes that vary<br>98 E5</p><p><a href="http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=gy27zo7l4dd3qf1n8l20.jpg" title="dumpt.com">Graphing the sequences</a> [dumpt.com] showed very obvious trends: Lots of values clustered in approximately the 155-170 range, and lots in the 200-220 range. Also, the 3-byte field that is different for every command has a different clustering pattern.</p><p>XORing the patterns with 0-255 yielded the following at 229:<br><tt>'\0\0\0{98D958FC-D0A2-4f1c-B841-232AB357E7C8}\0<br>'\0\0\0{F6C43E1A-1551-4000-A483-C361969AEC41}\0<br>'\0\0\0{783EACBF-EF8B-498e-A059-F0B5BD12641E}\0<br>'\0\0\0{EA7A2EB7-1E49-4d5f-B4D8-D6645B7440E3}\0<br>'\0\0\0{E2AC5089-3820-43fe-8A4D-A7028FAD8C28}\0<br>'\0\0\0{384EBE2C-F9EA-4f6b-94EF-C9D2DA58FD13}\0<br>'\0\0\0{4F4F0D88-E715-4b1f-B311-61E530C2C8FC}\0</tt></p><p>Now, colour me surprised, but those look a <em>damn</em> awful lot like CLSIDs...</p><p>VERY INTERESTING.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It gives hex dumps of some of the commands .
( Since some of them would obviously require arguments , they clearly can    t be full packets , but they    re signatures of each particular packet .
) All of them follow this pattern : C2 E5 E5 E5 9E8 bytes that are different for each commandC84 bytes that varyC8 D13 bytes that varyC84 bytes that varyC812 bytes that vary98 E5Graphing the sequences [ dumpt.com ] showed very obvious trends : Lots of values clustered in approximately the 155-170 range , and lots in the 200-220 range .
Also , the 3-byte field that is different for every command has a different clustering pattern.XORing the patterns with 0-255 yielded the following at 229 : ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { 98D958FC-D0A2-4f1c-B841-232AB357E7C8 } \ 0 ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { F6C43E1A-1551-4000-A483-C361969AEC41 } \ 0 ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { 783EACBF-EF8B-498e-A059-F0B5BD12641E } \ 0 ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { EA7A2EB7-1E49-4d5f-B4D8-D6645B7440E3 } \ 0 ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { E2AC5089-3820-43fe-8A4D-A7028FAD8C28 } \ 0 ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { 384EBE2C-F9EA-4f6b-94EF-C9D2DA58FD13 } \ 0 ' \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 { 4F4F0D88-E715-4b1f-B311-61E530C2C8FC } \ 0Now , colour me surprised , but those look a damn awful lot like CLSIDs...VERY INTERESTING .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gives hex dumps of some of the commands.
(Since some of them would obviously require arguments, they clearly can’t be full packets, but they’re signatures of each particular packet.
)All of them follow this pattern:C2 E5 E5 E5 9E8 bytes that are different for each commandC84 bytes that varyC8 D13 bytes that varyC84 bytes that varyC812 bytes that vary98 E5Graphing the sequences [dumpt.com] showed very obvious trends: Lots of values clustered in approximately the 155-170 range, and lots in the 200-220 range.
Also, the 3-byte field that is different for every command has a different clustering pattern.XORing the patterns with 0-255 yielded the following at 229:'\0\0\0{98D958FC-D0A2-4f1c-B841-232AB357E7C8}\0'\0\0\0{F6C43E1A-1551-4000-A483-C361969AEC41}\0'\0\0\0{783EACBF-EF8B-498e-A059-F0B5BD12641E}\0'\0\0\0{EA7A2EB7-1E49-4d5f-B4D8-D6645B7440E3}\0'\0\0\0{E2AC5089-3820-43fe-8A4D-A7028FAD8C28}\0'\0\0\0{384EBE2C-F9EA-4f6b-94EF-C9D2DA58FD13}\0'\0\0\0{4F4F0D88-E715-4b1f-B311-61E530C2C8FC}\0Now, colour me surprised, but those look a damn awful lot like CLSIDs...VERY INTERESTING.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31406532</id>
	<title>Re:Software?! - yes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268047260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd hope to find some open source software that would monitor how the charging is doing under UNIX - no such luck yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd hope to find some open source software that would monitor how the charging is doing under UNIX - no such luck yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd hope to find some open source software that would monitor how the charging is doing under UNIX - no such luck yet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404158</id>
	<title>How does apple handle this?</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1268080980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does OSX not recognize and attempt to run the information on a newly inserted device based on the device content?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does OSX not recognize and attempt to run the information on a newly inserted device based on the device content ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does OSX not recognize and attempt to run the information on a newly inserted device based on the device content?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31406298</id>
	<title>Not just the Energizer Duo...also the USB Charger</title>
	<author>dtmcgregor</author>
	<datestamp>1268046540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The link here's a bit misleading.</p><p>There are at least two models of Energizer battery charger that use the same software...the Energizer USB charger, AND the Energizer Duo. They're pretty much the same apart from the colour, but the Duo includes a USB to wall socket adaptor allowing you to charge it from the wall, not just USB. The Energizer press release makes this clear, most of the reporting stories don't.</p><p>Can someone please change the link to:</p><p>"warned that software accompanying the Energizer DUO AND USB battery charger"</p><p>Regards,</p><p>
&nbsp; - David.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The link here 's a bit misleading.There are at least two models of Energizer battery charger that use the same software...the Energizer USB charger , AND the Energizer Duo .
They 're pretty much the same apart from the colour , but the Duo includes a USB to wall socket adaptor allowing you to charge it from the wall , not just USB .
The Energizer press release makes this clear , most of the reporting stories do n't.Can someone please change the link to : " warned that software accompanying the Energizer DUO AND USB battery charger " Regards ,   - David .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The link here's a bit misleading.There are at least two models of Energizer battery charger that use the same software...the Energizer USB charger, AND the Energizer Duo.
They're pretty much the same apart from the colour, but the Duo includes a USB to wall socket adaptor allowing you to charge it from the wall, not just USB.
The Energizer press release makes this clear, most of the reporting stories don't.Can someone please change the link to:"warned that software accompanying the Energizer DUO AND USB battery charger"Regards,
  - David.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31407138</id>
	<title>What post-national cyber "war" looks like.</title>
	<author>SomePoorSchmuck</author>
	<datestamp>1268049420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the kind of scenario I found myself thinking about when reading the "<a href="http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/157205/US-Unable-To-Win-a-Cyber-War" title="slashdot.org">US Unable to Win a Cyber War</a> [slashdot.org]" post from a couple weeks back. That exercise seemed such a shallow attempt to drum up public fear so we would gladly support an expanding Snoopocracy and spend a few trillion dollars on emerging venture projects from the military contractors who already control half the government. Imagine -- the government prints eleventy trillion dollars at its ever-busy dollar factory to pay for doubling the size of every alphabet-soup information awareness agency; meanwhile, a few million God-fearing citizens are going to Wal-Mart and actually PURCHASING malware...<br> <br>

It's like, the biggest social engineering "hack" ever. And like all social engineering attacks (you could almost include the 9/11 attacks in this genre), the devastation comes from how a meatspace method simply, directly, and sometimes nearly effortlessly sidesteps an enormous byzantine technological/physical infrastructure to exploit a human weakness no one saw because we were all so busy admiring the size and thickness of our huge new fortress walls and battlements.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the kind of scenario I found myself thinking about when reading the " US Unable to Win a Cyber War [ slashdot.org ] " post from a couple weeks back .
That exercise seemed such a shallow attempt to drum up public fear so we would gladly support an expanding Snoopocracy and spend a few trillion dollars on emerging venture projects from the military contractors who already control half the government .
Imagine -- the government prints eleventy trillion dollars at its ever-busy dollar factory to pay for doubling the size of every alphabet-soup information awareness agency ; meanwhile , a few million God-fearing citizens are going to Wal-Mart and actually PURCHASING malware.. . It 's like , the biggest social engineering " hack " ever .
And like all social engineering attacks ( you could almost include the 9/11 attacks in this genre ) , the devastation comes from how a meatspace method simply , directly , and sometimes nearly effortlessly sidesteps an enormous byzantine technological/physical infrastructure to exploit a human weakness no one saw because we were all so busy admiring the size and thickness of our huge new fortress walls and battlements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the kind of scenario I found myself thinking about when reading the "US Unable to Win a Cyber War [slashdot.org]" post from a couple weeks back.
That exercise seemed such a shallow attempt to drum up public fear so we would gladly support an expanding Snoopocracy and spend a few trillion dollars on emerging venture projects from the military contractors who already control half the government.
Imagine -- the government prints eleventy trillion dollars at its ever-busy dollar factory to pay for doubling the size of every alphabet-soup information awareness agency; meanwhile, a few million God-fearing citizens are going to Wal-Mart and actually PURCHASING malware... 

It's like, the biggest social engineering "hack" ever.
And like all social engineering attacks (you could almost include the 9/11 attacks in this genre), the devastation comes from how a meatspace method simply, directly, and sometimes nearly effortlessly sidesteps an enormous byzantine technological/physical infrastructure to exploit a human weakness no one saw because we were all so busy admiring the size and thickness of our huge new fortress walls and battlements.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31408200</id>
	<title>Re:USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1268055120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>who puts lipstick on a bunny anyway?</p></div><p>Warner Bros. Especially when pranking Elmer Fudd.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>who puts lipstick on a bunny anyway ? Warner Bros. Especially when pranking Elmer Fudd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who puts lipstick on a bunny anyway?Warner Bros. Especially when pranking Elmer Fudd.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402170</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402096</id>
	<title>Purchasers should have known something was wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if only because of the giant wooden Energizer Bunny on the packaging.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if only because of the giant wooden Energizer Bunny on the packaging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if only because of the giant wooden Energizer Bunny on the packaging.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402722</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268074320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sorry, this is relevant to GP post about Duracell how, exactly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , this is relevant to GP post about Duracell how , exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, this is relevant to GP post about Duracell how, exactly?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402072</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31411778</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1268137800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There could be times when you don't have access to a power socket - or your battery charger won't work in the power sockets (say you visit another continent).</p></div></blockquote><p>You don't even need to visit another continent, just cross a border, or go to a work site that uses a different power socket type to what your charger is fitted with. Happens to me about once a month.<br>(1) in your travel bag, pack a 2/4/6 way extension lead with a flying input lead for your "native" type of socket. (You can plug the various device you carry into it, to protect the pins from being mangled by airport baggage manglers.)<br>(2) in the same bag, keep screw-on plugs for the socket styles you meet regularly (UK, Euro, US, Israel, and something I can't identify in my bag). Pack a screwdriver too (but you've carried one of those for years already. Haven't you.).<br>(3) when you get to a place that needs a different plug to what's on your flying lead, change plugs.</p><p>The alternative is to spend dozens of "pint vouchers" on adaptors at the airport, which will invariably be for the wrong country, then having to hunt around at 9 in the evening to try to find the right connector in a shop selling pornography and chewing gum. Again.</p><p>I decline to believe that a human being is incapable of safely wiring a plug. It's a new "entrance exam" for being counted as a member of <i>Homo sapiens sapiens electricio</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There could be times when you do n't have access to a power socket - or your battery charger wo n't work in the power sockets ( say you visit another continent ) .You do n't even need to visit another continent , just cross a border , or go to a work site that uses a different power socket type to what your charger is fitted with .
Happens to me about once a month .
( 1 ) in your travel bag , pack a 2/4/6 way extension lead with a flying input lead for your " native " type of socket .
( You can plug the various device you carry into it , to protect the pins from being mangled by airport baggage manglers .
) ( 2 ) in the same bag , keep screw-on plugs for the socket styles you meet regularly ( UK , Euro , US , Israel , and something I ca n't identify in my bag ) .
Pack a screwdriver too ( but you 've carried one of those for years already .
Have n't you. ) .
( 3 ) when you get to a place that needs a different plug to what 's on your flying lead , change plugs.The alternative is to spend dozens of " pint vouchers " on adaptors at the airport , which will invariably be for the wrong country , then having to hunt around at 9 in the evening to try to find the right connector in a shop selling pornography and chewing gum .
Again.I decline to believe that a human being is incapable of safely wiring a plug .
It 's a new " entrance exam " for being counted as a member of Homo sapiens sapiens electricio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There could be times when you don't have access to a power socket - or your battery charger won't work in the power sockets (say you visit another continent).You don't even need to visit another continent, just cross a border, or go to a work site that uses a different power socket type to what your charger is fitted with.
Happens to me about once a month.
(1) in your travel bag, pack a 2/4/6 way extension lead with a flying input lead for your "native" type of socket.
(You can plug the various device you carry into it, to protect the pins from being mangled by airport baggage manglers.
)(2) in the same bag, keep screw-on plugs for the socket styles you meet regularly (UK, Euro, US, Israel, and something I can't identify in my bag).
Pack a screwdriver too (but you've carried one of those for years already.
Haven't you.).
(3) when you get to a place that needs a different plug to what's on your flying lead, change plugs.The alternative is to spend dozens of "pint vouchers" on adaptors at the airport, which will invariably be for the wrong country, then having to hunt around at 9 in the evening to try to find the right connector in a shop selling pornography and chewing gum.
Again.I decline to believe that a human being is incapable of safely wiring a plug.
It's a new "entrance exam" for being counted as a member of Homo sapiens sapiens electricio.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31411110</id>
	<title>Why I like asian girls</title>
	<author>cavebison</author>
	<datestamp>1268127300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonder where the device was made?</p><p>The Chinese really seem to be into this backdoor stuff. rowwr.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder where the device was made ? The Chinese really seem to be into this backdoor stuff .
rowwr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder where the device was made?The Chinese really seem to be into this backdoor stuff.
rowwr.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404066</id>
	<title>Re:It just goes to show</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1268080500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You need it because unless there is a driver for the device, it can't draw on the full 500mA that USB can provide.  You're stuck in a low power mode, which is obviously no good for a battery charger (frankly though, USB is terrible for a battery charger anyway).
<br> <br>
Sadly, unlike mass storage (usb sticks, HDDs), keyboards, and mice, there is no standard "high power, no functionality" device built into the USB specs, so everybody who wants that needs to write their own driver.  This affects anything that wants to charge over USB, including cell phones, cameras, bluetooth devices, etc... Maybe USB3 fixes this, I don't know.  IIRC the maximum power draw in USB3 is still pathetic, so maybe not.  The standards committee is apparently not impressed by devices charging over USB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You need it because unless there is a driver for the device , it ca n't draw on the full 500mA that USB can provide .
You 're stuck in a low power mode , which is obviously no good for a battery charger ( frankly though , USB is terrible for a battery charger anyway ) .
Sadly , unlike mass storage ( usb sticks , HDDs ) , keyboards , and mice , there is no standard " high power , no functionality " device built into the USB specs , so everybody who wants that needs to write their own driver .
This affects anything that wants to charge over USB , including cell phones , cameras , bluetooth devices , etc... Maybe USB3 fixes this , I do n't know .
IIRC the maximum power draw in USB3 is still pathetic , so maybe not .
The standards committee is apparently not impressed by devices charging over USB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need it because unless there is a driver for the device, it can't draw on the full 500mA that USB can provide.
You're stuck in a low power mode, which is obviously no good for a battery charger (frankly though, USB is terrible for a battery charger anyway).
Sadly, unlike mass storage (usb sticks, HDDs), keyboards, and mice, there is no standard "high power, no functionality" device built into the USB specs, so everybody who wants that needs to write their own driver.
This affects anything that wants to charge over USB, including cell phones, cameras, bluetooth devices, etc... Maybe USB3 fixes this, I don't know.
IIRC the maximum power draw in USB3 is still pathetic, so maybe not.
The standards committee is apparently not impressed by devices charging over USB.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402090</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401980</id>
	<title>In before...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMPORTANT NOTICE,<br>Windows users may be infected with &ldquo;Arucer.dll&rdquo;, a trojan horse virus that listens for commands on TCP port 7777. To see if this trojan is installed, go to your &ldquo;Windows&rdquo; folder and look for the virus called &ldquo;System32&rdquo; (the actual system folder is just called &ldquo;System&rdquo;). If you find that you are infected by this virus, delete &ldquo;System32&rdquo; and reboot your computer. You may also need to restart the computer in safe mode before you can delete this virus because the virus will try to prevent you from deleting it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMPORTANT NOTICE,Windows users may be infected with    Arucer.dll    , a trojan horse virus that listens for commands on TCP port 7777 .
To see if this trojan is installed , go to your    Windows    folder and look for the virus called    System32    ( the actual system folder is just called    System    ) .
If you find that you are infected by this virus , delete    System32    and reboot your computer .
You may also need to restart the computer in safe mode before you can delete this virus because the virus will try to prevent you from deleting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMPORTANT NOTICE,Windows users may be infected with “Arucer.dll”, a trojan horse virus that listens for commands on TCP port 7777.
To see if this trojan is installed, go to your “Windows” folder and look for the virus called “System32” (the actual system folder is just called “System”).
If you find that you are infected by this virus, delete “System32” and reboot your computer.
You may also need to restart the computer in safe mode before you can delete this virus because the virus will try to prevent you from deleting it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402402</id>
	<title>Let me at him</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That fucking bunny! He's gonna have to GO~!</htmltext>
<tokenext>That fucking bunny !
He 's gon na have to GO ~ !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That fucking bunny!
He's gonna have to GO~!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401966</id>
	<title>Interesting detail in the DLL:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its language code is Chinese.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its language code is Chinese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its language code is Chinese.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402538</id>
	<title>That's a feature (CPO)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268073480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, that's a feature also referred to as <a href="http://attrition.org/errata/cpo/" title="attrition.org" rel="nofollow">"Certified Pre-Owned"</a> [attrition.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , that 's a feature also referred to as " Certified Pre-Owned " [ attrition.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, that's a feature also referred to as "Certified Pre-Owned" [attrition.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31410630</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>Douglas Goodall</author>
	<datestamp>1268077440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for the link. There was information t here I hadn't previously known. It is a testament  to Microsoft's belief that computer users are stupid and cannot find the setup program on the install media. There is no other possible reason that they would have put this in in the beginning or left it in all this time. They are so worried they might get a tech support call about how to install their expensive software, that they have left all these machines wide open all these years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the link .
There was information t here I had n't previously known .
It is a testament to Microsoft 's belief that computer users are stupid and can not find the setup program on the install media .
There is no other possible reason that they would have put this in in the beginning or left it in all this time .
They are so worried they might get a tech support call about how to install their expensive software , that they have left all these machines wide open all these years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the link.
There was information t here I hadn't previously known.
It is a testament  to Microsoft's belief that computer users are stupid and cannot find the setup program on the install media.
There is no other possible reason that they would have put this in in the beginning or left it in all this time.
They are so worried they might get a tech support call about how to install their expensive software, that they have left all these machines wide open all these years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404240</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268081280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some time back, when USB chargers started to appear at airports, I warned that this might happen.  A public charging port is such an attractive attack vector.</p></div><p>Could you elaborate on what you mean by that. It sounds to me that you assuming that a USB port provided in a public place will be attached to a computer. If it's provided for charging all it needs to do is provide current so it would just be wired to the mains via a suitable transformer. There's no way for an infection to spread via a USB port provided just for charging devices from.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some time back , when USB chargers started to appear at airports , I warned that this might happen .
A public charging port is such an attractive attack vector.Could you elaborate on what you mean by that .
It sounds to me that you assuming that a USB port provided in a public place will be attached to a computer .
If it 's provided for charging all it needs to do is provide current so it would just be wired to the mains via a suitable transformer .
There 's no way for an infection to spread via a USB port provided just for charging devices from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some time back, when USB chargers started to appear at airports, I warned that this might happen.
A public charging port is such an attractive attack vector.Could you elaborate on what you mean by that.
It sounds to me that you assuming that a USB port provided in a public place will be attached to a computer.
If it's provided for charging all it needs to do is provide current so it would just be wired to the mains via a suitable transformer.
There's no way for an infection to spread via a USB port provided just for charging devices from.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404736</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>FooHentai</author>
	<datestamp>1268040120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eh? I have the euro version of this charger because it lets me boost my camera batteries from my netbook. It's perfect for the travelling that I do.

It runs without the software installed, but the software shows the battery charge status, which can be handy.

Not to mention, when I bought it you got a pair of 2400mA AA cells plus the charger for far less than the wall charger cost alone.

Which one of us is ignorant in this matter? Oh, it's you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ?
I have the euro version of this charger because it lets me boost my camera batteries from my netbook .
It 's perfect for the travelling that I do .
It runs without the software installed , but the software shows the battery charge status , which can be handy .
Not to mention , when I bought it you got a pair of 2400mA AA cells plus the charger for far less than the wall charger cost alone .
Which one of us is ignorant in this matter ?
Oh , it 's you ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?
I have the euro version of this charger because it lets me boost my camera batteries from my netbook.
It's perfect for the travelling that I do.
It runs without the software installed, but the software shows the battery charge status, which can be handy.
Not to mention, when I bought it you got a pair of 2400mA AA cells plus the charger for far less than the wall charger cost alone.
Which one of us is ignorant in this matter?
Oh, it's you ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402010</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>DIplomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1268071200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>But how is Energizer supposed to let you know of amazing offers on things to buy without installing software???</htmltext>
<tokenext>But how is Energizer supposed to let you know of amazing offers on things to buy without installing software ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how is Energizer supposed to let you know of amazing offers on things to buy without installing software??
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403690</id>
	<title>It keeps on working...</title>
	<author>woboyle</author>
	<datestamp>1268078700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this device will go up on the shelf right next to my virus infected picture frame...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this device will go up on the shelf right next to my virus infected picture frame.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this device will go up on the shelf right next to my virus infected picture frame...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402478</id>
	<title>new marketing for PC makers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268073240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>With Bunny inside!</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Bunny inside !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Bunny inside!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402254</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>CaptnMArk</author>
	<datestamp>1268072400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Duracell(r)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duracell ( r )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duracell(r)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403820</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Spazholio</author>
	<datestamp>1268079300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?</i> <br> <br>

Well, I'd say the yolk's on them for sure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But how does Energizer feel now , with egg on their faces ?
Well , I 'd say the yolk 's on them for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?
Well, I'd say the yolk's on them for sure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402028</id>
	<title>USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>ReptileQc</author>
	<datestamp>1268071320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you need a USB charger when you can have the batteries charge themselves through USB?</p><p><a href="http://www.usbcell.com/" title="usbcell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usbcell.com/</a> [usbcell.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you need a USB charger when you can have the batteries charge themselves through USB ? http : //www.usbcell.com/ [ usbcell.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you need a USB charger when you can have the batteries charge themselves through USB?http://www.usbcell.com/ [usbcell.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31411682</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1268136420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>an anagram for Energizer's competitor Duracell.</p></div></blockquote><p>I may misunderstand the joke, but I thought that "Energiser" was the American brand under which Duracells were sold. Are sold.<br>I realise this is going to distress the marketing zombies of both "Energiser" and "Duracell", but even after writing this, I couldn't really give a shite about which faceless multinational corporation owns another faceless multinational corporation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>an anagram for Energizer 's competitor Duracell.I may misunderstand the joke , but I thought that " Energiser " was the American brand under which Duracells were sold .
Are sold.I realise this is going to distress the marketing zombies of both " Energiser " and " Duracell " , but even after writing this , I could n't really give a shite about which faceless multinational corporation owns another faceless multinational corporation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>an anagram for Energizer's competitor Duracell.I may misunderstand the joke, but I thought that "Energiser" was the American brand under which Duracells were sold.
Are sold.I realise this is going to distress the marketing zombies of both "Energiser" and "Duracell", but even after writing this, I couldn't really give a shite about which faceless multinational corporation owns another faceless multinational corporation.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404016</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268080200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>since someone modded this up, and it's being sold mostly the to iphone, ipod crowd, can I say those who bought an iphone/ipod that doesn't charge like a normal device, got exactly what they deserve too?  In fact, anyone that bought anything computer related gets what they deserve, damn people not using mechanical devices for everything anymore..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>since someone modded this up , and it 's being sold mostly the to iphone , ipod crowd , can I say those who bought an iphone/ipod that does n't charge like a normal device , got exactly what they deserve too ?
In fact , anyone that bought anything computer related gets what they deserve , damn people not using mechanical devices for everything anymore. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>since someone modded this up, and it's being sold mostly the to iphone, ipod crowd, can I say those who bought an iphone/ipod that doesn't charge like a normal device, got exactly what they deserve too?
In fact, anyone that bought anything computer related gets what they deserve, damn people not using mechanical devices for everything anymore..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405760</id>
	<title>I first contacted energizer</title>
	<author>schallee</author>
	<datestamp>1268044680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's sadder is that I originally contacted energizer last year and was told</p><p>"Thank you for your input. Your email has been forwarded to our software team for review."</p><p>Energizer doesn't mention that part;) After auto responses and no updates I finally gave up and sent it to CERT instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's sadder is that I originally contacted energizer last year and was told " Thank you for your input .
Your email has been forwarded to our software team for review .
" Energizer does n't mention that part ; ) After auto responses and no updates I finally gave up and sent it to CERT instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's sadder is that I originally contacted energizer last year and was told"Thank you for your input.
Your email has been forwarded to our software team for review.
"Energizer doesn't mention that part;) After auto responses and no updates I finally gave up and sent it to CERT instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403834</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>MindStalker</author>
	<datestamp>1268079300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure the airport chargers are just connected to AC power, I seriously doubt they are connected to any computers, least not networked ones, that would just be dumb.  But then again, its possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure the airport chargers are just connected to AC power , I seriously doubt they are connected to any computers , least not networked ones , that would just be dumb .
But then again , its possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure the airport chargers are just connected to AC power, I seriously doubt they are connected to any computers, least not networked ones, that would just be dumb.
But then again, its possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403992</id>
	<title>Thump, Thump, Thump, Thump</title>
	<author>magusxxx</author>
	<datestamp>1268080080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember the commercial where the Energizer bunny is hooked to the UFO? That was Jeff Goldblum's idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember the commercial where the Energizer bunny is hooked to the UFO ?
That was Jeff Goldblum 's idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember the commercial where the Energizer bunny is hooked to the UFO?
That was Jeff Goldblum's idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404454</id>
	<title>Re:Detect it with Nmap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268038860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you always put random names in the body of your post?</p><p>John</p><p>I do it too.</p><p>Ed</p><p>I figure it makes my posts more interesting to read in case people want to know what name I mention next.</p><p>Bob</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you always put random names in the body of your post ? JohnI do it too.EdI figure it makes my posts more interesting to read in case people want to know what name I mention next.Bob</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you always put random names in the body of your post?JohnI do it too.EdI figure it makes my posts more interesting to read in case people want to know what name I mention next.Bob</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405288</id>
	<title>Re:Let me at him</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268042820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I run the old 2D side scroller Duke Nukem on it, does it kill this virus?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I run the old 2D side scroller Duke Nukem on it , does it kill this virus ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I run the old 2D side scroller Duke Nukem on it, does it kill this virus?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</id>
	<title>Told you so</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1268071620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Some time back, when USB chargers started to appear at airports, I warned that this might happen.  A public charging port is such an attractive attack vector.
</p><p>
Of course, the real problem is Windows's "autorun".  It was a truly awful idea to have Windows run any executable that appears on any removable device or medium. That went in (in Windows 95, I think) when CDs were only manufactured by major vendors, before home CD writers or USB storage devices.  So it probably seemed "safe" at the time.
</p><p>Worse was <a href="http://www.cert.org/blogs/vuls/2008/04/the\_dangers\_of\_windows\_autorun.html" title="cert.org">making it very difficult to turn autorun off.</a> [cert.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some time back , when USB chargers started to appear at airports , I warned that this might happen .
A public charging port is such an attractive attack vector .
Of course , the real problem is Windows 's " autorun " .
It was a truly awful idea to have Windows run any executable that appears on any removable device or medium .
That went in ( in Windows 95 , I think ) when CDs were only manufactured by major vendors , before home CD writers or USB storage devices .
So it probably seemed " safe " at the time .
Worse was making it very difficult to turn autorun off .
[ cert.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Some time back, when USB chargers started to appear at airports, I warned that this might happen.
A public charging port is such an attractive attack vector.
Of course, the real problem is Windows's "autorun".
It was a truly awful idea to have Windows run any executable that appears on any removable device or medium.
That went in (in Windows 95, I think) when CDs were only manufactured by major vendors, before home CD writers or USB storage devices.
So it probably seemed "safe" at the time.
Worse was making it very difficult to turn autorun off.
[cert.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402410</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting detail in the DLL:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268073000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, there is a big giveaway: the string in the DLL that says "Hacked By Chinese!"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , there is a big giveaway : the string in the DLL that says " Hacked By Chinese !
" ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, there is a big giveaway: the string in the DLL that says "Hacked By Chinese!
" ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401966</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403040</id>
	<title>Re:Purchasers should have known something was wron</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1268075940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But...but...but...it's just a harmless bunny rabbit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>But...but...but...it 's just a harmless bunny rabbit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But...but...but...it's just a harmless bunny rabbit!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402096</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402224</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting detail in the DLL:</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1268072280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah it was probably made in China, and typically nobody cares about QC/QA in the factory (or part of the QA is making sure the malware is installed<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) ).</p><p>I found malware on a supposedly new PNY usb drive about a year ago. Perhaps it was a repackaged item.</p><p>Anyway, didn't affect the machine I plugged it into since auto-run was disabled (like it should be).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah it was probably made in China , and typically nobody cares about QC/QA in the factory ( or part of the QA is making sure the malware is installed ; ) ) .I found malware on a supposedly new PNY usb drive about a year ago .
Perhaps it was a repackaged item.Anyway , did n't affect the machine I plugged it into since auto-run was disabled ( like it should be ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah it was probably made in China, and typically nobody cares about QC/QA in the factory (or part of the QA is making sure the malware is installed ;) ).I found malware on a supposedly new PNY usb drive about a year ago.
Perhaps it was a repackaged item.Anyway, didn't affect the machine I plugged it into since auto-run was disabled (like it should be).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401966</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405232</id>
	<title>That doesn't work for all hubs</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1268042520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If an item just needs re-charging via USB I have been just plugging them into a powered USB hub.</p></div><p>Not all self-powered USB hubs work as a PC-less charging station. I have one hub that gives power whenever it's plugged into the wall, and I have another that gives power only if it's plugged into both the wall and a host.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If an item just needs re-charging via USB I have been just plugging them into a powered USB hub.Not all self-powered USB hubs work as a PC-less charging station .
I have one hub that gives power whenever it 's plugged into the wall , and I have another that gives power only if it 's plugged into both the wall and a host .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If an item just needs re-charging via USB I have been just plugging them into a powered USB hub.Not all self-powered USB hubs work as a PC-less charging station.
I have one hub that gives power whenever it's plugged into the wall, and I have another that gives power only if it's plugged into both the wall and a host.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31409570</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>mmj638</author>
	<datestamp>1268065920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm skeptical that this security-by-protectionism model would really provide security (or, would be any good for eg. the US economy).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm skeptical that this security-by-protectionism model would really provide security ( or , would be any good for eg .
the US economy ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm skeptical that this security-by-protectionism model would really provide security (or, would be any good for eg.
the US economy).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402168</id>
	<title>Re:USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>mariushm</author>
	<datestamp>1268071920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These usually have low mAh values, so that they can be charged reasonably fast and because almost a third of the actual battery is the usb plug and whatever else is needed. For example, what I see on the page is rated 1300 mAh, which sucks, because I can currently purchase 2700mAh batteries for less than the price of those batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These usually have low mAh values , so that they can be charged reasonably fast and because almost a third of the actual battery is the usb plug and whatever else is needed .
For example , what I see on the page is rated 1300 mAh , which sucks , because I can currently purchase 2700mAh batteries for less than the price of those batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These usually have low mAh values, so that they can be charged reasonably fast and because almost a third of the actual battery is the usb plug and whatever else is needed.
For example, what I see on the page is rated 1300 mAh, which sucks, because I can currently purchase 2700mAh batteries for less than the price of those batteries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404262</id>
	<title>Scan for systems and exploit them using Metasploit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268081400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Metasploit Framework has been updated to include both a scanner and an exploit module for this trojan. You can find a rundown of how these modules work on the Metasploit Blog: http://blog.metasploit.com/2010/03/locate-and-exploit-energizer-trojan.html</p><p>The "100\% CPU" issue noted above is easy to trigger; the trojan is written poorly and closing the connection too soon leaves the process spinning. To solve this in Metasploit, we send the "nop" command prior to the disconnect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Metasploit Framework has been updated to include both a scanner and an exploit module for this trojan .
You can find a rundown of how these modules work on the Metasploit Blog : http : //blog.metasploit.com/2010/03/locate-and-exploit-energizer-trojan.htmlThe " 100 \ % CPU " issue noted above is easy to trigger ; the trojan is written poorly and closing the connection too soon leaves the process spinning .
To solve this in Metasploit , we send the " nop " command prior to the disconnect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Metasploit Framework has been updated to include both a scanner and an exploit module for this trojan.
You can find a rundown of how these modules work on the Metasploit Blog: http://blog.metasploit.com/2010/03/locate-and-exploit-energizer-trojan.htmlThe "100\% CPU" issue noted above is easy to trigger; the trojan is written poorly and closing the connection too soon leaves the process spinning.
To solve this in Metasploit, we send the "nop" command prior to the disconnect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31408660</id>
	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>Datamonstar</author>
	<datestamp>1268058180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you ever want to charge batteries through a USB port anyway? Last I heard, PCs require a handy-dandy AC socket connection to the power supply. Which means you could charge your batteries from there without having to install any software. Why would you ever need to install software to charge a battery? There's probably a light on it somewhere that can tell you when the battery is fully charged, but of course people want yet another icon on the task-bar and another app to start up in MSCONFIG and slow down their PC and conflict with other software mad dashing to load first. This is a stupid product to begin with, double win for it being taken off the market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you ever want to charge batteries through a USB port anyway ?
Last I heard , PCs require a handy-dandy AC socket connection to the power supply .
Which means you could charge your batteries from there without having to install any software .
Why would you ever need to install software to charge a battery ?
There 's probably a light on it somewhere that can tell you when the battery is fully charged , but of course people want yet another icon on the task-bar and another app to start up in MSCONFIG and slow down their PC and conflict with other software mad dashing to load first .
This is a stupid product to begin with , double win for it being taken off the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you ever want to charge batteries through a USB port anyway?
Last I heard, PCs require a handy-dandy AC socket connection to the power supply.
Which means you could charge your batteries from there without having to install any software.
Why would you ever need to install software to charge a battery?
There's probably a light on it somewhere that can tell you when the battery is fully charged, but of course people want yet another icon on the task-bar and another app to start up in MSCONFIG and slow down their PC and conflict with other software mad dashing to load first.
This is a stupid product to begin with, double win for it being taken off the market.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402696</id>
	<title>Re:USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>Briareos</author>
	<datestamp>1268074140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's anything like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttkRU6c4eYU#t=01m02s" title="youtube.com">those cells</a> [youtube.com] I'm not sure I'd want them...</p><p><i>np: Brian Eno - The Lost Day (Ambient 4:  On Land)</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's anything like those cells [ youtube.com ] I 'm not sure I 'd want them...np : Brian Eno - The Lost Day ( Ambient 4 : On Land )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's anything like those cells [youtube.com] I'm not sure I'd want them...np: Brian Eno - The Lost Day (Ambient 4:  On Land)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403316</id>
	<title>Re:Outsourcing / QA / Negligence</title>
	<author>meerling</author>
	<datestamp>1268077020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All it takes to bypass all the security in the world is one mistake by one person one time.<br>(I've seen it happen more than I can count, and that's a pretty big number.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>All it takes to bypass all the security in the world is one mistake by one person one time .
( I 've seen it happen more than I can count , and that 's a pretty big number .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All it takes to bypass all the security in the world is one mistake by one person one time.
(I've seen it happen more than I can count, and that's a pretty big number.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402358</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402804</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>toastar</author>
	<datestamp>1268074680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise...</p></div><p>I always wondered, with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge over USB nowdays, why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting into the specs of the next version of USB, so that we don't need to bother with nonsense like installing a new program or drivers for each device just to monitor its charging on the computer (or whatever charger), if we do want monitoring and such?  That way, we could just tack a charge indicator onto whatever the OS or windowing system uses to track connected USB devices, instead of X amount of additional programs displaying it in any variety of mismatched ways.</p><p>I mean, I'll grant that many devices just report their own charge on their own respective screens, so for things like phones or whatnot, it might not be that useful.  Plus, my suggested scheme would quickly get shot down by companies like Energizer in this case when they realize revenue stream conduits^W^W^W <i>customers</i> wouldn't have a reason to install "special" drivers and programs loaded with ads...</p><p>Oh, yeah.  That IS why it wouldn't get adopted.  Hrm.</p></div><p>I have a better idea, Put the monitoring software on the device being charged.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get it that the software can monitor charging , report stuff , advertise...I always wondered , with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge over USB nowdays , why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting into the specs of the next version of USB , so that we do n't need to bother with nonsense like installing a new program or drivers for each device just to monitor its charging on the computer ( or whatever charger ) , if we do want monitoring and such ?
That way , we could just tack a charge indicator onto whatever the OS or windowing system uses to track connected USB devices , instead of X amount of additional programs displaying it in any variety of mismatched ways.I mean , I 'll grant that many devices just report their own charge on their own respective screens , so for things like phones or whatnot , it might not be that useful .
Plus , my suggested scheme would quickly get shot down by companies like Energizer in this case when they realize revenue stream conduits ^ W ^ W ^ W customers would n't have a reason to install " special " drivers and programs loaded with ads...Oh , yeah .
That IS why it would n't get adopted .
Hrm.I have a better idea , Put the monitoring software on the device being charged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise...I always wondered, with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge over USB nowdays, why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting into the specs of the next version of USB, so that we don't need to bother with nonsense like installing a new program or drivers for each device just to monitor its charging on the computer (or whatever charger), if we do want monitoring and such?
That way, we could just tack a charge indicator onto whatever the OS or windowing system uses to track connected USB devices, instead of X amount of additional programs displaying it in any variety of mismatched ways.I mean, I'll grant that many devices just report their own charge on their own respective screens, so for things like phones or whatnot, it might not be that useful.
Plus, my suggested scheme would quickly get shot down by companies like Energizer in this case when they realize revenue stream conduits^W^W^W customers wouldn't have a reason to install "special" drivers and programs loaded with ads...Oh, yeah.
That IS why it wouldn't get adopted.
Hrm.I have a better idea, Put the monitoring software on the device being charged.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402298</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting detail in the DLL:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Its language code is Chinese.</p></div><p>I was wondering how soon before somebody starts to blame the Chinese for this.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its language code is Chinese.I was wondering how soon before somebody starts to blame the Chinese for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its language code is Chinese.I was wondering how soon before somebody starts to blame the Chinese for this.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401966</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31404322</id>
	<title>Why</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1268081580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does a USB battery charger need software. I have a number of devices that just use the power from a USB port to charge, and they don't connect any other wirez apart from the power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does a USB battery charger need software .
I have a number of devices that just use the power from a USB port to charge , and they do n't connect any other wirez apart from the power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does a USB battery charger need software.
I have a number of devices that just use the power from a USB port to charge, and they don't connect any other wirez apart from the power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402886</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>Otto</author>
	<datestamp>1268075100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It&rsquo;s like having a supercomputer to control a toaster. It makes no sense at all.</p></div><p>Plain old toast is so retro. I prefer my toast printed with nice designs and patterns:</p><p><a href="http://www.inseq.net/zuse.html" title="inseq.net">http://www.inseq.net/zuse.html</a> [inseq.net]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It    s like having a supercomputer to control a toaster .
It makes no sense at all.Plain old toast is so retro .
I prefer my toast printed with nice designs and patterns : http : //www.inseq.net/zuse.html [ inseq.net ] : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It’s like having a supercomputer to control a toaster.
It makes no sense at all.Plain old toast is so retro.
I prefer my toast printed with nice designs and patterns:http://www.inseq.net/zuse.html [inseq.net] :)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402208</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402170</id>
	<title>Re:USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>krakelohm</author>
	<datestamp>1268071920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best part of that page is the bunny off to the right  "We are bunnies and we really love you And we think you should use USB cells!", who puts lipstick on a bunny anyway?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part of that page is the bunny off to the right " We are bunnies and we really love you And we think you should use USB cells !
" , who puts lipstick on a bunny anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part of that page is the bunny off to the right  "We are bunnies and we really love you And we think you should use USB cells!
", who puts lipstick on a bunny anyway?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403442</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>Anne\_Nonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268077620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The should all be <i>charged</i> with <i>assaulting battery</i>!</p><p>-rimshot-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The should all be charged with assaulting battery ! -rimshot-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The should all be charged with assaulting battery!-rimshot-</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405886</id>
	<title>Alternatives</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268045220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are always alternatives. Like <a href="http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&amp;cPath=10&amp;products\_id=14" title="adafruit.com" rel="nofollow">this nifty thing</a> [adafruit.com] that runs on 2 AA batteries and has no memory or software. Sure, you'll need to get an additional $40 or so of equipment (soldering iron, clamp), but like OSS and food you make from scratch, you know exactly what's going into it.</p><p>And, for bonus points, you can <a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-solar-iPodiPhone-charger-aka-Might/" title="instructables.com" rel="nofollow">expand</a> [instructables.com] this USB power supply with neat things like lithium-polymer batteries, USB charging, and even solar cells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are always alternatives .
Like this nifty thing [ adafruit.com ] that runs on 2 AA batteries and has no memory or software .
Sure , you 'll need to get an additional $ 40 or so of equipment ( soldering iron , clamp ) , but like OSS and food you make from scratch , you know exactly what 's going into it.And , for bonus points , you can expand [ instructables.com ] this USB power supply with neat things like lithium-polymer batteries , USB charging , and even solar cells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are always alternatives.
Like this nifty thing [adafruit.com] that runs on 2 AA batteries and has no memory or software.
Sure, you'll need to get an additional $40 or so of equipment (soldering iron, clamp), but like OSS and food you make from scratch, you know exactly what's going into it.And, for bonus points, you can expand [instructables.com] this USB power supply with neat things like lithium-polymer batteries, USB charging, and even solar cells.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31408364</id>
	<title>Wait a minute</title>
	<author>JumpDrive</author>
	<datestamp>1268056200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We are pointing fingers at Chinese and Energizer for this.<br>
What I want to know is where were our army of nerds that are supposedly looking for these types of trojans or viruses and why did it take 2.5 years to find out about it?<br>
Surely some of the big companies selling us anti-virus and anti-trojans had some of there products on infected machines.  Why weren't they able to catch on to this? I'd assume that some of them were using heuristic algorithms<br>
What I would assume is that a lot of people saw the sign but didn't act on the problem (open 7777 ports)?<br>
But it also may be that this trojan didn't effect that many computers and that is why it wasn't seen for a long time.<br>
<br>
When someone complained about this software and reported as a possible trojan/virus this is the answer that was given in a "Windows User Group" in 2008
<br>
I found this DLL comes from Enegizer USB Charger: <a href="http://www.energizer.com/usbcharger/language/english/download.aspx" title="energizer.com">http://www.energizer.com/usbcharger/language/english/download.aspx</a> [energizer.com]
<br>
Aside from causing reported problems, this is not a trojan.<br> <br>
So really looking at it,  I see it as a failure of our community.<br> <br>
Did snort ever detect an infected machine as having malicious activity?<br>
Why didn't we catch this sooner and how many more like this are out there?<br> <br>
We have now given the recipe for having a non-detectable root-kit, use something that isn't going to be used by a lot of people and infected a small number of computers, use these as stations to infect others.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are pointing fingers at Chinese and Energizer for this .
What I want to know is where were our army of nerds that are supposedly looking for these types of trojans or viruses and why did it take 2.5 years to find out about it ?
Surely some of the big companies selling us anti-virus and anti-trojans had some of there products on infected machines .
Why were n't they able to catch on to this ?
I 'd assume that some of them were using heuristic algorithms What I would assume is that a lot of people saw the sign but did n't act on the problem ( open 7777 ports ) ?
But it also may be that this trojan did n't effect that many computers and that is why it was n't seen for a long time .
When someone complained about this software and reported as a possible trojan/virus this is the answer that was given in a " Windows User Group " in 2008 I found this DLL comes from Enegizer USB Charger : http : //www.energizer.com/usbcharger/language/english/download.aspx [ energizer.com ] Aside from causing reported problems , this is not a trojan .
So really looking at it , I see it as a failure of our community .
Did snort ever detect an infected machine as having malicious activity ?
Why did n't we catch this sooner and how many more like this are out there ?
We have now given the recipe for having a non-detectable root-kit , use something that is n't going to be used by a lot of people and infected a small number of computers , use these as stations to infect others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are pointing fingers at Chinese and Energizer for this.
What I want to know is where were our army of nerds that are supposedly looking for these types of trojans or viruses and why did it take 2.5 years to find out about it?
Surely some of the big companies selling us anti-virus and anti-trojans had some of there products on infected machines.
Why weren't they able to catch on to this?
I'd assume that some of them were using heuristic algorithms
What I would assume is that a lot of people saw the sign but didn't act on the problem (open 7777 ports)?
But it also may be that this trojan didn't effect that many computers and that is why it wasn't seen for a long time.
When someone complained about this software and reported as a possible trojan/virus this is the answer that was given in a "Windows User Group" in 2008

I found this DLL comes from Enegizer USB Charger: http://www.energizer.com/usbcharger/language/english/download.aspx [energizer.com]

Aside from causing reported problems, this is not a trojan.
So really looking at it,  I see it as a failure of our community.
Did snort ever detect an infected machine as having malicious activity?
Why didn't we catch this sooner and how many more like this are out there?
We have now given the recipe for having a non-detectable root-kit, use something that isn't going to be used by a lot of people and infected a small number of computers, use these as stations to infect others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31413768</id>
	<title>Detect it with Nmap, exploit with Metasploit</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1268150700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I spent the morning reverse engineering the Trojan and wrote an Nmap script to detect if a remote system is infected.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Looks like Metasploit has a <a href="http://blog.metasploit.com/2010/03/locate-and-exploit-energizer-trojan.html" title="metasploit.com">payload module</a> [metasploit.com] to go with this backdoor.  Nifty!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent the morning reverse engineering the Trojan and wrote an Nmap script to detect if a remote system is infected .
Looks like Metasploit has a payload module [ metasploit.com ] to go with this backdoor .
Nifty !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent the morning reverse engineering the Trojan and wrote an Nmap script to detect if a remote system is infected.
Looks like Metasploit has a payload module [metasploit.com] to go with this backdoor.
Nifty!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</id>
	<title>Software?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268070720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all?<br>
<br>
It's called a DUO because it can plug into the wall or into a computer. So it works without a computer. To get the computer to jack up the USB power output from the default 100mA, the device could identify itself as a hub -- no software required.<br>
<br>
I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise... But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all ?
It 's called a DUO because it can plug into the wall or into a computer .
So it works without a computer .
To get the computer to jack up the USB power output from the default 100mA , the device could identify itself as a hub -- no software required .
I get it that the software can monitor charging , report stuff , advertise... But how does Energizer feel now , with egg on their faces ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all?
It's called a DUO because it can plug into the wall or into a computer.
So it works without a computer.
To get the computer to jack up the USB power output from the default 100mA, the device could identify itself as a hub -- no software required.
I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise... But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402422</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1268073000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my eyes, those who bought that thing, deserve what they got.</p></div><p>Those who brought windows deserve what they got.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my eyes , those who bought that thing , deserve what they got.Those who brought windows deserve what they got .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my eyes, those who bought that thing, deserve what they got.Those who brought windows deserve what they got.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402120</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1268071740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Only appropriate, given that their mascot is a bunny.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But how does Energizer feel now , with egg on their faces ?
Only appropriate , given that their mascot is a bunny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?
Only appropriate, given that their mascot is a bunny.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402358</id>
	<title>Outsourcing / QA / Negligence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Energizer obviously isn't the first company to be hit with this sort of embarrassment, and it's surprising to me how resistant some of these companies are to learning and adopting good QA and security practices.<br> <br>

If corporations feel that they must outsource production of devices like these, they damn well better be prepared to do thorough in-house testing before they release malware to the public.  I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they were probably unaware of this trojan, but that makes them no less negligent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Energizer obviously is n't the first company to be hit with this sort of embarrassment , and it 's surprising to me how resistant some of these companies are to learning and adopting good QA and security practices .
If corporations feel that they must outsource production of devices like these , they damn well better be prepared to do thorough in-house testing before they release malware to the public .
I 'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they were probably unaware of this trojan , but that makes them no less negligent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Energizer obviously isn't the first company to be hit with this sort of embarrassment, and it's surprising to me how resistant some of these companies are to learning and adopting good QA and security practices.
If corporations feel that they must outsource production of devices like these, they damn well better be prepared to do thorough in-house testing before they release malware to the public.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they were probably unaware of this trojan, but that makes them no less negligent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402320</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>usb spec says that the computer can only supply 550mA to an unregulated device. in order to draw more current, the device has to "ask" for it, which means some sort of driver is needed.</p><p>I'm assuming that they want the charger to draw more current to charge faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>usb spec says that the computer can only supply 550mA to an unregulated device .
in order to draw more current , the device has to " ask " for it , which means some sort of driver is needed.I 'm assuming that they want the charger to draw more current to charge faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>usb spec says that the computer can only supply 550mA to an unregulated device.
in order to draw more current, the device has to "ask" for it, which means some sort of driver is needed.I'm assuming that they want the charger to draw more current to charge faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402862</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1268074920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because engineering is driven by marketing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because engineering is driven by marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because engineering is driven by marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402802</id>
	<title>It's not a trojan!</title>
	<author>Krau Ming</author>
	<datestamp>1268074680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's actually a secret file that when run through a series of complex filtering steps will give you an image of a map where the only copy of portal 2 can be found!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually a secret file that when run through a series of complex filtering steps will give you an image of a map where the only copy of portal 2 can be found !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually a secret file that when run through a series of complex filtering steps will give you an image of a map where the only copy of portal 2 can be found!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31435970</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268307120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that Microsoft decided to make the autorun-or-not decision based on wether the media *presents itself* as read-only or not, rather than if it is an actual cd-rom. There are usb-drives out there that present themselves as a read-only cd-rom drive plus a writeable disk. The "cd-rom" contains a little app that executes whatever is on the writeable volume. Windows sees that the device presents itself as a read-only cd-rom and invokes autorun. What it should have done is notice that the device is on a usb-port and that therefore autorun shouldn't be used.<br>It isn't autorun as such that is the problem, it's the faulty implementation that it also works for things that aren't cd-rom drives. Of course, it was originally intended for games and encyclopaedias and such, but nowadays disk space is cheap and we simply put the entire thing on the disk. Even if not officially supported you can with Daemon Tools. And then of course Sony decided to test the theory that reputable firms wouldn't put nasty stuff on cds because of the legal and reputation backlash. Turns out those are much more manageable than previously estimated - expect to see more malware on cds. Maybe autorun just has had its time and it's time for it to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that Microsoft decided to make the autorun-or-not decision based on wether the media * presents itself * as read-only or not , rather than if it is an actual cd-rom .
There are usb-drives out there that present themselves as a read-only cd-rom drive plus a writeable disk .
The " cd-rom " contains a little app that executes whatever is on the writeable volume .
Windows sees that the device presents itself as a read-only cd-rom and invokes autorun .
What it should have done is notice that the device is on a usb-port and that therefore autorun should n't be used.It is n't autorun as such that is the problem , it 's the faulty implementation that it also works for things that are n't cd-rom drives .
Of course , it was originally intended for games and encyclopaedias and such , but nowadays disk space is cheap and we simply put the entire thing on the disk .
Even if not officially supported you can with Daemon Tools .
And then of course Sony decided to test the theory that reputable firms would n't put nasty stuff on cds because of the legal and reputation backlash .
Turns out those are much more manageable than previously estimated - expect to see more malware on cds .
Maybe autorun just has had its time and it 's time for it to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that Microsoft decided to make the autorun-or-not decision based on wether the media *presents itself* as read-only or not, rather than if it is an actual cd-rom.
There are usb-drives out there that present themselves as a read-only cd-rom drive plus a writeable disk.
The "cd-rom" contains a little app that executes whatever is on the writeable volume.
Windows sees that the device presents itself as a read-only cd-rom and invokes autorun.
What it should have done is notice that the device is on a usb-port and that therefore autorun shouldn't be used.It isn't autorun as such that is the problem, it's the faulty implementation that it also works for things that aren't cd-rom drives.
Of course, it was originally intended for games and encyclopaedias and such, but nowadays disk space is cheap and we simply put the entire thing on the disk.
Even if not officially supported you can with Daemon Tools.
And then of course Sony decided to test the theory that reputable firms wouldn't put nasty stuff on cds because of the legal and reputation backlash.
Turns out those are much more manageable than previously estimated - expect to see more malware on cds.
Maybe autorun just has had its time and it's time for it to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402938</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268075400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That went in (in Windows 95, I think) when CDs were only manufactured by major vendors, before home CD writers or USB storage devices.  So it probably seemed "safe" at the time.</p></div><p>Many people questioned the safety of autorun win Win95. Auto-running from removable media had already been a problem - one of the first viruses documented as being in-the-wild was distributed on Apple floppies and got itself run via that system's autorun feature (unlike PCs descended from the IBM line and its compatibles several machines and OSs,Apple's machines and Commodor's Amiga lines being two examples, supported detecting a new floppy being inserted) and that was long before Windows 95 hit the market.</p><p>The potential problems were well know by that point. As you suggest MS's official policy was just "it is safe enough for now, we'll fix it later".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That went in ( in Windows 95 , I think ) when CDs were only manufactured by major vendors , before home CD writers or USB storage devices .
So it probably seemed " safe " at the time.Many people questioned the safety of autorun win Win95 .
Auto-running from removable media had already been a problem - one of the first viruses documented as being in-the-wild was distributed on Apple floppies and got itself run via that system 's autorun feature ( unlike PCs descended from the IBM line and its compatibles several machines and OSs,Apple 's machines and Commodor 's Amiga lines being two examples , supported detecting a new floppy being inserted ) and that was long before Windows 95 hit the market.The potential problems were well know by that point .
As you suggest MS 's official policy was just " it is safe enough for now , we 'll fix it later " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That went in (in Windows 95, I think) when CDs were only manufactured by major vendors, before home CD writers or USB storage devices.
So it probably seemed "safe" at the time.Many people questioned the safety of autorun win Win95.
Auto-running from removable media had already been a problem - one of the first viruses documented as being in-the-wild was distributed on Apple floppies and got itself run via that system's autorun feature (unlike PCs descended from the IBM line and its compatibles several machines and OSs,Apple's machines and Commodor's Amiga lines being two examples, supported detecting a new floppy being inserted) and that was long before Windows 95 hit the market.The potential problems were well know by that point.
As you suggest MS's official policy was just "it is safe enough for now, we'll fix it later".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403454</id>
	<title>Detect it with Nmap</title>
	<author>iago-vL</author>
	<datestamp>1268077680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent the morning reverse engineering the Trojan and wrote an Nmap script to detect if a remote system is infected. Hope it helps out: <a href="http://www.skullsecurity.org/blog/?p=563" title="skullsecurity.org">http://www.skullsecurity.org/blog/?p=563</a> [skullsecurity.org].</p><p>Ron</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent the morning reverse engineering the Trojan and wrote an Nmap script to detect if a remote system is infected .
Hope it helps out : http : //www.skullsecurity.org/blog/ ? p = 563 [ skullsecurity.org ] .Ron</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent the morning reverse engineering the Trojan and wrote an Nmap script to detect if a remote system is infected.
Hope it helps out: http://www.skullsecurity.org/blog/?p=563 [skullsecurity.org].Ron</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31411782</id>
	<title>This news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268137860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is quite shocking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is quite shocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is quite shocking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402208</id>
	<title>USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the... WHYY?</p><p>My battery charger takes four batteries and goes into the power socket. That&rsquo;s it.<br>I don&rsquo;t see why in the world a charged would need more than this.</p><p>It&rsquo;s like having a supercomputer to control a toaster. It makes no sense at all.<br>In my eyes, those who bought that thing, deserve what they got.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the... WHYY ? My battery charger takes four batteries and goes into the power socket .
That    s it.I don    t see why in the world a charged would need more than this.It    s like having a supercomputer to control a toaster .
It makes no sense at all.In my eyes , those who bought that thing , deserve what they got .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the... WHYY?My battery charger takes four batteries and goes into the power socket.
That’s it.I don’t see why in the world a charged would need more than this.It’s like having a supercomputer to control a toaster.
It makes no sense at all.In my eyes, those who bought that thing, deserve what they got.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402090</id>
	<title>It just goes to show</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It just goes to show you that you can't trust anything that you plug into a computer...  <br> <br>I mean seriously, drivers?  For a battery charger?  Unless they wanted to display a nifty "charge progress indicator" in the OS...  But even then, do they not have a code review before it gets flashed onto the chip?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It just goes to show you that you ca n't trust anything that you plug into a computer... I mean seriously , drivers ?
For a battery charger ?
Unless they wanted to display a nifty " charge progress indicator " in the OS... But even then , do they not have a code review before it gets flashed onto the chip ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It just goes to show you that you can't trust anything that you plug into a computer...   I mean seriously, drivers?
For a battery charger?
Unless they wanted to display a nifty "charge progress indicator" in the OS...  But even then, do they not have a code review before it gets flashed onto the chip?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403060</id>
	<title>Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268076000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had this been Sony the comments would've been calling for immediate boycotting of all products.  Everyone stop buying Duracell!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had this been Sony the comments would 've been calling for immediate boycotting of all products .
Everyone stop buying Duracell !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had this been Sony the comments would've been calling for immediate boycotting of all products.
Everyone stop buying Duracell!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402398</id>
	<title>usbcell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why bother with a big battery charger when you can buy batteries that plug into USB from <a href="http://usbcell.com/" title="usbcell.com" rel="nofollow">http://usbcell.com/</a> [usbcell.com] ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why bother with a big battery charger when you can buy batteries that plug into USB from http : //usbcell.com/ [ usbcell.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why bother with a big battery charger when you can buy batteries that plug into USB from http://usbcell.com/ [usbcell.com] ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405678</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>kalirion</author>
	<datestamp>1268044380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I wondered why the authors would let the trojan be deactivated with the software's un-installation...  It's genius!  If the trojan had stuck around, it would've been found out much sooner!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I wondered why the authors would let the trojan be deactivated with the software 's un-installation... It 's genius !
If the trojan had stuck around , it would 've been found out much sooner !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I wondered why the authors would let the trojan be deactivated with the software's un-installation...  It's genius!
If the trojan had stuck around, it would've been found out much sooner!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402072</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405640</id>
	<title>Re:Sony</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268044200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony's XPC rootkit cost me time and money. I'm not going to boycott them, I'm just not buying any more Sony products, especially anything with any digital component (wich these days is everything). Part of the "functionality" of XCP was to disable music burning software and P2P software; that could NOT have been an accident, unlike this. I'll give anybody the benefit of the doubt, as long as it's possible to have any doubt to give them the benefit of. At the time I used P2P to find indie music (Sony-BMG's competetitors), and it disabled the software I used to burn legally purchased LPs to CD, just as I'd previously recorded my LPs to cassette to play in the car.</p><p>XCP was just evil. Period. There was no excuse whatever for it. Someone should have gone to prison for that bit of malfeasance, and I don't see how anyone who knows anything at all about XCP could ever trust Sony again, whether or not they got burned personally.</p><p>And yes, autoplay was disabled; my daughter, who worked in a music store at the time, installed the software on the CD, never dreaming that Sony would put malware on a music CD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony 's XPC rootkit cost me time and money .
I 'm not going to boycott them , I 'm just not buying any more Sony products , especially anything with any digital component ( wich these days is everything ) .
Part of the " functionality " of XCP was to disable music burning software and P2P software ; that could NOT have been an accident , unlike this .
I 'll give anybody the benefit of the doubt , as long as it 's possible to have any doubt to give them the benefit of .
At the time I used P2P to find indie music ( Sony-BMG 's competetitors ) , and it disabled the software I used to burn legally purchased LPs to CD , just as I 'd previously recorded my LPs to cassette to play in the car.XCP was just evil .
Period. There was no excuse whatever for it .
Someone should have gone to prison for that bit of malfeasance , and I do n't see how anyone who knows anything at all about XCP could ever trust Sony again , whether or not they got burned personally.And yes , autoplay was disabled ; my daughter , who worked in a music store at the time , installed the software on the CD , never dreaming that Sony would put malware on a music CD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony's XPC rootkit cost me time and money.
I'm not going to boycott them, I'm just not buying any more Sony products, especially anything with any digital component (wich these days is everything).
Part of the "functionality" of XCP was to disable music burning software and P2P software; that could NOT have been an accident, unlike this.
I'll give anybody the benefit of the doubt, as long as it's possible to have any doubt to give them the benefit of.
At the time I used P2P to find indie music (Sony-BMG's competetitors), and it disabled the software I used to burn legally purchased LPs to CD, just as I'd previously recorded my LPs to cassette to play in the car.XCP was just evil.
Period. There was no excuse whatever for it.
Someone should have gone to prison for that bit of malfeasance, and I don't see how anyone who knows anything at all about XCP could ever trust Sony again, whether or not they got burned personally.And yes, autoplay was disabled; my daughter, who worked in a music store at the time, installed the software on the CD, never dreaming that Sony would put malware on a music CD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403060</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403546</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>kgo</author>
	<datestamp>1268078160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean you don't have a usb toaster?

<a href="http://store.theonion.com/product/usb-powered-toastergift-box,29/" title="theonion.com" rel="nofollow">http://store.theonion.com/product/usb-powered-toastergift-box,29/</a> [theonion.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean you do n't have a usb toaster ?
http : //store.theonion.com/product/usb-powered-toastergift-box,29/ [ theonion.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean you don't have a usb toaster?
http://store.theonion.com/product/usb-powered-toastergift-box,29/ [theonion.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402208</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402052</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>gzipped\_tar</author>
	<datestamp>1268071380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because hacking customers' machines is profitable?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because hacking customers ' machines is profitable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because hacking customers' machines is profitable?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31410612</id>
	<title>Re:Told you so</title>
	<author>tokul</author>
	<datestamp>1268077200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That went in (in Windows 95, I think)</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
It went in with WinXP SP2. Before that windows did not execute autorun.inf on removable storage devices.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That went in ( in Windows 95 , I think ) It went in with WinXP SP2 .
Before that windows did not execute autorun.inf on removable storage devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That went in (in Windows 95, I think)

It went in with WinXP SP2.
Before that windows did not execute autorun.inf on removable storage devices.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403686</id>
	<title>Re:Near Anagram for Duracell</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268078700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anagram for Mister Mongo! Anagram for Mister Mongo! Sign here, please!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anagram for Mister Mongo !
Anagram for Mister Mongo !
Sign here , please !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anagram for Mister Mongo!
Anagram for Mister Mongo!
Sign here, please!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405954</id>
	<title>Not the least surprised</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1268045460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><ol>
<li>You have fools that run Windows.</li>
<li>We have idiots that have sent all the work to China.</li>
<li>We have fools that buy this junk and then will blame the crackers in CHina that are paid to do this, rather than blame themselves, or the companies that sent the work there in the first place.</li>
</ol><p>
Personally, I would like to see some of these Windows ppl SUE Energizer and other companies for selling the products that infect their machines. Force them to pay out 10-100x what they made in profit.  Once western companies realize the high costs of doing business there, then and only then will they stop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have fools that run Windows .
We have idiots that have sent all the work to China .
We have fools that buy this junk and then will blame the crackers in CHina that are paid to do this , rather than blame themselves , or the companies that sent the work there in the first place .
Personally , I would like to see some of these Windows ppl SUE Energizer and other companies for selling the products that infect their machines .
Force them to pay out 10-100x what they made in profit .
Once western companies realize the high costs of doing business there , then and only then will they stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
You have fools that run Windows.
We have idiots that have sent all the work to China.
We have fools that buy this junk and then will blame the crackers in CHina that are paid to do this, rather than blame themselves, or the companies that sent the work there in the first place.
Personally, I would like to see some of these Windows ppl SUE Energizer and other companies for selling the products that infect their machines.
Force them to pay out 10-100x what they made in profit.
Once western companies realize the high costs of doing business there, then and only then will they stop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31403354</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1268077200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need a driver, there are standard ways to ask for more power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need a driver , there are standard ways to ask for more power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need a driver, there are standard ways to ask for more power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401900</id>
	<title>A clean uninstaller? wow!</title>
	<author>Gopal.V</author>
	<datestamp>1268070720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Heck, I can't figure out how to disable half the auto-runs on my sister's laptop.
</p><p>
These guys definitely know what they're doing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck , I ca n't figure out how to disable half the auto-runs on my sister 's laptop .
These guys definitely know what they 're doing : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Heck, I can't figure out how to disable half the auto-runs on my sister's laptop.
These guys definitely know what they're doing :)
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31408132</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1268054700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's like having a supercomputer to control a toaster. It makes no sense at all.</p></div><p> <b>Toaster:</b> Would you like some toast?<br><b>Lister:</b> Uh-uhm.<br><b>Toaster:</b> Some nice hot crisp brown buttered toast?<br><b>Lister:</b> Uh-uhm.<br><b>Toaster:</b> You don't want any toast then?<br><b>Lister:</b> No.<br><b>Toaster:</b> What about a muffin?<br><b>Lister:</b> Nothing!<br><b>Toaster:</b> You know the last time you had toast? Eighteen days ago. 11:36, Tuesday the third. Two rounds.<br><b>Lister:</b> Ssshhh!<br><b>Toaster:</b> I mean, what's the point of buying a toaster with artificial intelligence if you don't like toast?<br><b>Lister:</b> I <em>do</em> like toast.<br><b>Toaster:</b> I mean, this is my <em>job</em>! This is cruel, just cruel!<br><b>Lister:</b> Look, I'm busy!<br><b>Toaster:</b> Oh, you're not busy eating toast, are you!<br><b>Lister:</b> I don't want any!<br><b>Toaster:</b>  I mean, the whole purpose of my existence is to serve you with hot, buttered, scrummy toast. If you don't want any, then my existence is meaningless.<br><b>Lister:</b> Good.<br><b>Toaster:</b> I toast, therefore I am.<br><b>Lister:</b> Will you shut up?!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like having a supercomputer to control a toaster .
It makes no sense at all .
Toaster : Would you like some toast ? Lister : Uh-uhm.Toaster : Some nice hot crisp brown buttered toast ? Lister : Uh-uhm.Toaster : You do n't want any toast then ? Lister : No.Toaster : What about a muffin ? Lister : Nothing ! Toaster : You know the last time you had toast ?
Eighteen days ago .
11 : 36 , Tuesday the third .
Two rounds.Lister : Ssshhh ! Toaster : I mean , what 's the point of buying a toaster with artificial intelligence if you do n't like toast ? Lister : I do like toast.Toaster : I mean , this is my job !
This is cruel , just cruel ! Lister : Look , I 'm busy ! Toaster : Oh , you 're not busy eating toast , are you ! Lister : I do n't want any ! Toaster : I mean , the whole purpose of my existence is to serve you with hot , buttered , scrummy toast .
If you do n't want any , then my existence is meaningless.Lister : Good.Toaster : I toast , therefore I am.Lister : Will you shut up ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like having a supercomputer to control a toaster.
It makes no sense at all.
Toaster: Would you like some toast?Lister: Uh-uhm.Toaster: Some nice hot crisp brown buttered toast?Lister: Uh-uhm.Toaster: You don't want any toast then?Lister: No.Toaster: What about a muffin?Lister: Nothing!Toaster: You know the last time you had toast?
Eighteen days ago.
11:36, Tuesday the third.
Two rounds.Lister: Ssshhh!Toaster: I mean, what's the point of buying a toaster with artificial intelligence if you don't like toast?Lister: I do like toast.Toaster: I mean, this is my job!
This is cruel, just cruel!Lister: Look, I'm busy!Toaster: Oh, you're not busy eating toast, are you!Lister: I don't want any!Toaster:  I mean, the whole purpose of my existence is to serve you with hot, buttered, scrummy toast.
If you don't want any, then my existence is meaningless.Lister: Good.Toaster: I toast, therefore I am.Lister: Will you shut up?
!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402436</id>
	<title>Re:USB? Software? On a BATTERY CHARGER?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268073060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There could be times when you don't have access to a power socket - or your battery charger won't work in the power sockets (say you visit another continent).</p><p>In which case, you've got your business laptop, so you can charge your batteries for your MP3 player.</p><p>It shouldn't need software though, I'll agree with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There could be times when you do n't have access to a power socket - or your battery charger wo n't work in the power sockets ( say you visit another continent ) .In which case , you 've got your business laptop , so you can charge your batteries for your MP3 player.It should n't need software though , I 'll agree with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There could be times when you don't have access to a power socket - or your battery charger won't work in the power sockets (say you visit another continent).In which case, you've got your business laptop, so you can charge your batteries for your MP3 player.It shouldn't need software though, I'll agree with that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402154</id>
	<title>Re:Software?!</title>
	<author>Captain Spam</author>
	<datestamp>1268071860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise...</p></div><p>I always wondered, with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge over USB nowdays, why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting into the specs of the next version of USB, so that we don't need to bother with nonsense like installing a new program or drivers for each device just to monitor its charging on the computer (or whatever charger), if we do want monitoring and such?  That way, we could just tack a charge indicator onto whatever the OS or windowing system uses to track connected USB devices, instead of X amount of additional programs displaying it in any variety of mismatched ways.</p><p>I mean, I'll grant that many devices just report their own charge on their own respective screens, so for things like phones or whatnot, it might not be that useful.  Plus, my suggested scheme would quickly get shot down by companies like Energizer in this case when they realize revenue stream conduits^W^W^W <i>customers</i> wouldn't have a reason to install "special" drivers and programs loaded with ads...</p><p>Oh, yeah.  That IS why it wouldn't get adopted.  Hrm.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get it that the software can monitor charging , report stuff , advertise...I always wondered , with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge over USB nowdays , why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting into the specs of the next version of USB , so that we do n't need to bother with nonsense like installing a new program or drivers for each device just to monitor its charging on the computer ( or whatever charger ) , if we do want monitoring and such ?
That way , we could just tack a charge indicator onto whatever the OS or windowing system uses to track connected USB devices , instead of X amount of additional programs displaying it in any variety of mismatched ways.I mean , I 'll grant that many devices just report their own charge on their own respective screens , so for things like phones or whatnot , it might not be that useful .
Plus , my suggested scheme would quickly get shot down by companies like Energizer in this case when they realize revenue stream conduits ^ W ^ W ^ W customers would n't have a reason to install " special " drivers and programs loaded with ads...Oh , yeah .
That IS why it would n't get adopted .
Hrm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get it that the software can monitor charging, report stuff, advertise...I always wondered, with the sheer amount of portable devices which charge over USB nowdays, why not put some manner of standardized charge reporting into the specs of the next version of USB, so that we don't need to bother with nonsense like installing a new program or drivers for each device just to monitor its charging on the computer (or whatever charger), if we do want monitoring and such?
That way, we could just tack a charge indicator onto whatever the OS or windowing system uses to track connected USB devices, instead of X amount of additional programs displaying it in any variety of mismatched ways.I mean, I'll grant that many devices just report their own charge on their own respective screens, so for things like phones or whatnot, it might not be that useful.
Plus, my suggested scheme would quickly get shot down by companies like Energizer in this case when they realize revenue stream conduits^W^W^W customers wouldn't have a reason to install "special" drivers and programs loaded with ads...Oh, yeah.
That IS why it wouldn't get adopted.
Hrm.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31401912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31405108</id>
	<title>It keeps stealing....</title>
	<author>Dthief</author>
	<datestamp>1268041980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>and stealing....your info</htmltext>
<tokenext>and stealing....your info</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and stealing....your info</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402130</id>
	<title>Re:USB Cell anyone?</title>
	<author>fractalspace</author>
	<datestamp>1268071800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because,<p>
1- They are expensive
<br>
2- They will hold less charge due to a significant proportion of the volume used up by extra electronics and mechanics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because , 1- They are expensive 2- They will hold less charge due to a significant proportion of the volume used up by extra electronics and mechanics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because,
1- They are expensive

2- They will hold less charge due to a significant proportion of the volume used up by extra electronics and mechanics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_1531228.31402294</id>
	<title>Counterfeits</title>
	<author>perpenso</author>
	<datestamp>1268072520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?</p></div></blockquote><p>

To be honest, they just need to get used to it and others need to be prepared for it.  Imagine the opportunities for counterfeiters, they now have the potential for a new revenue stream.  Regardless of whether a legitimate product comes with software or not, I expect some counterfeit goods will start coming with software.  Legit or counterfeit, the company will take heat from consumers.  They just need to get ready for it.<br> <br>

--<br>
<a href="http://www.perpenso.com/calc/" title="perpenso.com" rel="nofollow">Perpenso Calc</a> [perpenso.com] for iPhone and iPod touch, scientific and bill/tip calculator, fractions, complex numbers, RPN</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all ?
... But how does Energizer feel now , with egg on their faces ?
To be honest , they just need to get used to it and others need to be prepared for it .
Imagine the opportunities for counterfeiters , they now have the potential for a new revenue stream .
Regardless of whether a legitimate product comes with software or not , I expect some counterfeit goods will start coming with software .
Legit or counterfeit , the company will take heat from consumers .
They just need to get ready for it .
-- Perpenso Calc [ perpenso.com ] for iPhone and iPod touch , scientific and bill/tip calculator , fractions , complex numbers , RPN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does a USB-powered charger need software at all?
... But how does Energizer feel now, with egg on their faces?
To be honest, they just need to get used to it and others need to be prepared for it.
Imagine the opportunities for counterfeiters, they now have the potential for a new revenue stream.
Regardless of whether a legitimate product comes with software or not, I expect some counterfeit goods will start coming with software.
Legit or counterfeit, the company will take heat from consumers.
They just need to get ready for it.
--
Perpenso Calc [perpenso.com] for iPhone and iPod touch, scientific and bill/tip calculator, fractions, complex numbers, RPN
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