<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_08_0053237</id>
	<title>Apple's "iKey" Wants To Unlock All Doors</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1268054100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Pickens</a> writes <i>"The Telegraph reports that Apple is developing technology, already being nicknamed the 'iKey,' which will allow users to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7384077/Introducing-the-iKey-Apples-answer-to-the-humble-door-key.html">gain access to their office and unlock their car or front door</a> with a single electronic device like an iPhone. Users would simply have to enter a PIN and wave the device over an electronic pad fitted beside a door to open it. 'The device can communicate with an external device to open a lock. By way of example, the electronic device may be a model of an iPhone,' says the newly released patent application. 'The external device may be any suitable electronic device such as a portable media player, personal data assistant or electronic lock that may be used to access a door, car, house, or other physical area.' The technology behind the invention is known as <a href="http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/02/apple-getting-serious-about-near-field-communication-on-the-iphone.html">Near Field Communication</a>; it allows electronic devices to transmit information when in proximity. 'If true, it's a very big deal. As well as opening doors and unlocking your car, it could also turn your iPhone into an electronic wallet and ID card,' says Leander Kahney, a consumer technology expert. 'The trouble is that the technology hasn't gone completely mainstream. If Apple were to adopt the technology, they would likely set the standard, and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pickens writes " The Telegraph reports that Apple is developing technology , already being nicknamed the 'iKey, ' which will allow users to gain access to their office and unlock their car or front door with a single electronic device like an iPhone .
Users would simply have to enter a PIN and wave the device over an electronic pad fitted beside a door to open it .
'The device can communicate with an external device to open a lock .
By way of example , the electronic device may be a model of an iPhone, ' says the newly released patent application .
'The external device may be any suitable electronic device such as a portable media player , personal data assistant or electronic lock that may be used to access a door , car , house , or other physical area .
' The technology behind the invention is known as Near Field Communication ; it allows electronic devices to transmit information when in proximity .
'If true , it 's a very big deal .
As well as opening doors and unlocking your car , it could also turn your iPhone into an electronic wallet and ID card, ' says Leander Kahney , a consumer technology expert .
'The trouble is that the technology has n't gone completely mainstream .
If Apple were to adopt the technology , they would likely set the standard , and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that Apple is developing technology, already being nicknamed the 'iKey,' which will allow users to gain access to their office and unlock their car or front door with a single electronic device like an iPhone.
Users would simply have to enter a PIN and wave the device over an electronic pad fitted beside a door to open it.
'The device can communicate with an external device to open a lock.
By way of example, the electronic device may be a model of an iPhone,' says the newly released patent application.
'The external device may be any suitable electronic device such as a portable media player, personal data assistant or electronic lock that may be used to access a door, car, house, or other physical area.
' The technology behind the invention is known as Near Field Communication; it allows electronic devices to transmit information when in proximity.
'If true, it's a very big deal.
As well as opening doors and unlocking your car, it could also turn your iPhone into an electronic wallet and ID card,' says Leander Kahney, a consumer technology expert.
'The trouble is that the technology hasn't gone completely mainstream.
If Apple were to adopt the technology, they would likely set the standard, and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400588</id>
	<title>abuse</title>
	<author>fatbuckel</author>
	<datestamp>1268063760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>because no one would think of abusing this for their own needs....</htmltext>
<tokenext>because no one would think of abusing this for their own needs... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because no one would think of abusing this for their own needs....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401052</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>CharlieHedlin</author>
	<datestamp>1268066160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, people are stupid, careless, naive, etc.  Having stuff STOLEN shouldn't be a consequence.  Do you steal kids bikes because they forget to lock them?  Honesty is important in a society.  Assholes who think that being smarter or in a position of power gives them the right to take from everyone else (think Wallstreet) gave us our current economic climate, well that and the greedy naive people who believed them when they said real estate was going to keep going up forever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , people are stupid , careless , naive , etc .
Having stuff STOLEN should n't be a consequence .
Do you steal kids bikes because they forget to lock them ?
Honesty is important in a society .
Assholes who think that being smarter or in a position of power gives them the right to take from everyone else ( think Wallstreet ) gave us our current economic climate , well that and the greedy naive people who believed them when they said real estate was going to keep going up forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, people are stupid, careless, naive, etc.
Having stuff STOLEN shouldn't be a consequence.
Do you steal kids bikes because they forget to lock them?
Honesty is important in a society.
Assholes who think that being smarter or in a position of power gives them the right to take from everyone else (think Wallstreet) gave us our current economic climate, well that and the greedy naive people who believed them when they said real estate was going to keep going up forever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400438</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Flat battery</p></div></blockquote><p>This could be a great excuse though.<br>1. Pick up girl in bar<br>2. Take "home" to poshest, grandest, most expensive-looking villa/mansion in the city<br>3. "Awwww, sorry, honey, battery on my iKey's flat. How about we just go to your place and I'll show you my master bedroom tomorrow instead?"<br>4. ?????<br>5. Return to Mom's basement before she (mom or girl) wakes up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Flat batteryThis could be a great excuse though.1 .
Pick up girl in bar2 .
Take " home " to poshest , grandest , most expensive-looking villa/mansion in the city3 .
" Awwww , sorry , honey , battery on my iKey 's flat .
How about we just go to your place and I 'll show you my master bedroom tomorrow instead ? " 4 .
? ? ? ? ? 5. Return to Mom 's basement before she ( mom or girl ) wakes up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flat batteryThis could be a great excuse though.1.
Pick up girl in bar2.
Take "home" to poshest, grandest, most expensive-looking villa/mansion in the city3.
"Awwww, sorry, honey, battery on my iKey's flat.
How about we just go to your place and I'll show you my master bedroom tomorrow instead?"4.
?????5. Return to Mom's basement before she (mom or girl) wakes up.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402304</id>
	<title>iKey has succeeded...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>in making me completely sick of iWords...</htmltext>
<tokenext>in making me completely sick of iWords.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in making me completely sick of iWords...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31403236</id>
	<title>Garage remotes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268076720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry but this is not a big innovation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry but this is not a big innovation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry but this is not a big innovation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399696</id>
	<title>Patent</title>
	<author>MrDoh!</author>
	<datestamp>1268057940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds very much like iButton stiff using RFID.</p><p>Nothing new about Apple patenting existing apps I guess.  Though as mentioned, it's not mainstream, having an iphone adapter in the car to play music, and using that same phone to open the door makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds very much like iButton stiff using RFID.Nothing new about Apple patenting existing apps I guess .
Though as mentioned , it 's not mainstream , having an iphone adapter in the car to play music , and using that same phone to open the door makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds very much like iButton stiff using RFID.Nothing new about Apple patenting existing apps I guess.
Though as mentioned, it's not mainstream, having an iphone adapter in the car to play music, and using that same phone to open the door makes sense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402780</id>
	<title>This needs some serious security audit</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1268074560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this is "one key to control everything I own", I'm not signing up. Now, I know what people are going to say if I utter these words, but I think this needs some serious independent security audits. Apple might not trust another company or independent consultant(s), but I think the US government (FBI, NSA) and <b> other international </b> law enforcement should look at this. Even if you distrust the government, you know they have the resources and manpower to test and review this and in anycase and they will figure out a way to hack it anyways. Might as well make it "known" who is testing it anyways.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is " one key to control everything I own " , I 'm not signing up .
Now , I know what people are going to say if I utter these words , but I think this needs some serious independent security audits .
Apple might not trust another company or independent consultant ( s ) , but I think the US government ( FBI , NSA ) and other international law enforcement should look at this .
Even if you distrust the government , you know they have the resources and manpower to test and review this and in anycase and they will figure out a way to hack it anyways .
Might as well make it " known " who is testing it anyways .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this is "one key to control everything I own", I'm not signing up.
Now, I know what people are going to say if I utter these words, but I think this needs some serious independent security audits.
Apple might not trust another company or independent consultant(s), but I think the US government (FBI, NSA) and  other international  law enforcement should look at this.
Even if you distrust the government, you know they have the resources and manpower to test and review this and in anycase and they will figure out a way to hack it anyways.
Might as well make it "known" who is testing it anyways.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31405908</id>
	<title>Re:Priceless</title>
	<author>wing03</author>
	<datestamp>1268045340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also doubt that this will make inroads into general acceptance for the masses.<br> <br>

Electronic controls for doors are good for big companies/buildings who want to have some sort of control or knowledge of who comes and goes.
<br> <br>
But for a residence or your car to be tied into your Apple product?  C'mon....
<br> <br>
Taco Bell winning the franchise wars anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also doubt that this will make inroads into general acceptance for the masses .
Electronic controls for doors are good for big companies/buildings who want to have some sort of control or knowledge of who comes and goes .
But for a residence or your car to be tied into your Apple product ?
C'mon... . Taco Bell winning the franchise wars anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also doubt that this will make inroads into general acceptance for the masses.
Electronic controls for doors are good for big companies/buildings who want to have some sort of control or knowledge of who comes and goes.
But for a residence or your car to be tied into your Apple product?
C'mon....
 
Taco Bell winning the franchise wars anyone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402080</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399760</id>
	<title>Ogn4a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">Lite is 5training The point more pro-homosexual been many, not the Of an admittedly includes where you lube. This can lead users', BigAzz, told reporters,</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lite is 5training The point more pro-homosexual been many , not the Of an admittedly includes where you lube .
This can lead users ' , BigAzz , told reporters , [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lite is 5training The point more pro-homosexual been many, not the Of an admittedly includes where you lube.
This can lead users', BigAzz, told reporters, [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402280</id>
	<title>ejose</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My problem is that my iPhone battery is dead every day by the time I get home.  I'd be locked out while waiting for my iPhone to recharge.</p><p>I'll stick with a key.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My problem is that my iPhone battery is dead every day by the time I get home .
I 'd be locked out while waiting for my iPhone to recharge.I 'll stick with a key .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My problem is that my iPhone battery is dead every day by the time I get home.
I'd be locked out while waiting for my iPhone to recharge.I'll stick with a key.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401086</id>
	<title>Re:typical Apple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268066340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple starts patenting the obvious applications of those technologies, something other people weren't even considering because that's what those technologies were designed for</p></div></blockquote><p>if people aren't even considering the application, how is it obvious?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple starts patenting the obvious applications of those technologies , something other people were n't even considering because that 's what those technologies were designed forif people are n't even considering the application , how is it obvious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple starts patenting the obvious applications of those technologies, something other people weren't even considering because that's what those technologies were designed forif people aren't even considering the application, how is it obvious?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31403322</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm what would you do?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268077080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>No more carrying 200 keys around like some medieval jailer.</i></p><p>WTF? I have two keys -- my house key and my car key. One key opens my house's doors, and one opens the car door, trunk, and ignition (plus a fob that will open the car's trunk or doors from a distance). Why on earth would anybody have motre than half a dozen keys, unless he's a janitor or security guard? And if that was the case he'd still have to carry all those keys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No more carrying 200 keys around like some medieval jailer.WTF ?
I have two keys -- my house key and my car key .
One key opens my house 's doors , and one opens the car door , trunk , and ignition ( plus a fob that will open the car 's trunk or doors from a distance ) .
Why on earth would anybody have motre than half a dozen keys , unless he 's a janitor or security guard ?
And if that was the case he 'd still have to carry all those keys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No more carrying 200 keys around like some medieval jailer.WTF?
I have two keys -- my house key and my car key.
One key opens my house's doors, and one opens the car door, trunk, and ignition (plus a fob that will open the car's trunk or doors from a distance).
Why on earth would anybody have motre than half a dozen keys, unless he's a janitor or security guard?
And if that was the case he'd still have to carry all those keys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400178</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400778</id>
	<title>i'mnotsure</title>
	<author>Chas</author>
	<datestamp>1268064900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iDon't ithink ilike ithis.</p><p>iReally idon't iwant ithis isort iof ifunctionality.</p><p>iOne icompromised iKey (ihehehe) icould  igive ian iattacker iaccess ito ieverything.</p><p>iEpic iFail!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iDo n't ithink ilike ithis.iReally ido n't iwant ithis isort iof ifunctionality.iOne icompromised iKey ( ihehehe ) icould igive ian iattacker iaccess ito ieverything.iEpic iFail !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iDon't ithink ilike ithis.iReally idon't iwant ithis isort iof ifunctionality.iOne icompromised iKey (ihehehe) icould  igive ian iattacker iaccess ito ieverything.iEpic iFail!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402248</id>
	<title>VR vs. RW</title>
	<author>whitroth</author>
	<datestamp>1268072340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, gee, my breaker's blown in the fusebox in the basement.</p><p>Ooops, there's no power to the lock, so my e-key won't open the door so I can't turn the power back on to the door....</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mark "don't let your house BSoD..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , gee , my breaker 's blown in the fusebox in the basement.Ooops , there 's no power to the lock , so my e-key wo n't open the door so I ca n't turn the power back on to the door... .                     mark " do n't let your house BSoD... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, gee, my breaker's blown in the fusebox in the basement.Ooops, there's no power to the lock, so my e-key won't open the door so I can't turn the power back on to the door....
                    mark "don't let your house BSoD..."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399798</id>
	<title>i-disallow</title>
	<author>ipquickly</author>
	<datestamp>1268058600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And of course, (just like the app-store) if you are wearing just a bikini, or have a 'hot babe' on your arm, the doors just won't open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And of course , ( just like the app-store ) if you are wearing just a bikini , or have a 'hot babe ' on your arm , the doors just wo n't open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And of course, (just like the app-store) if you are wearing just a bikini, or have a 'hot babe' on your arm, the doors just won't open.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402080</id>
	<title>Re:Priceless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268071500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Watching your neighbour spending hundreds or more than a thousand to outfit their home with an iLock and having their iPhone run out of juice or fumbling and dropping/breaking it before they could unlock the front door.... <b>Priceless.</b></p> </div><p>Do you ever feel ashamed of the fact that a TV commercial has infiltrated your mind to the point that you spout off imitations of it?  And is it really that fun to see your neighbor make bad decisions?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Watching your neighbour spending hundreds or more than a thousand to outfit their home with an iLock and having their iPhone run out of juice or fumbling and dropping/breaking it before they could unlock the front door.... Priceless. Do you ever feel ashamed of the fact that a TV commercial has infiltrated your mind to the point that you spout off imitations of it ?
And is it really that fun to see your neighbor make bad decisions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watching your neighbour spending hundreds or more than a thousand to outfit their home with an iLock and having their iPhone run out of juice or fumbling and dropping/breaking it before they could unlock the front door.... Priceless. Do you ever feel ashamed of the fact that a TV commercial has infiltrated your mind to the point that you spout off imitations of it?
And is it really that fun to see your neighbor make bad decisions?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400390</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31475286</id>
	<title>Low-battery iKey signal</title>
	<author>ciantic</author>
	<datestamp>1268565300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about this, you have low-power stage where only RFID signaling works.

</p><p>Even if your flashy iPhone UI does not work, you could still send iKey signal to open doors etc... Only problem I can see with this is the input, if user is requested to type PIN it won't work cause that probably takes significant amount of battery anyway. I bet the remainders what was left when UI died would satisfy for several years as RFID signal transmitter, then again I'm just guessing here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about this , you have low-power stage where only RFID signaling works .
Even if your flashy iPhone UI does not work , you could still send iKey signal to open doors etc... Only problem I can see with this is the input , if user is requested to type PIN it wo n't work cause that probably takes significant amount of battery anyway .
I bet the remainders what was left when UI died would satisfy for several years as RFID signal transmitter , then again I 'm just guessing here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about this, you have low-power stage where only RFID signaling works.
Even if your flashy iPhone UI does not work, you could still send iKey signal to open doors etc... Only problem I can see with this is the input, if user is requested to type PIN it won't work cause that probably takes significant amount of battery anyway.
I bet the remainders what was left when UI died would satisfy for several years as RFID signal transmitter, then again I'm just guessing here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31427680</id>
	<title>Nothing new! Similar products already exist.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268243400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are products like BlueID (http://www.blueid.de) that do the same as iKey (open doors, pc login) and work with various mobile platforms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are products like BlueID ( http : //www.blueid.de ) that do the same as iKey ( open doors , pc login ) and work with various mobile platforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are products like BlueID (http://www.blueid.de) that do the same as iKey (open doors, pc login) and work with various mobile platforms.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400442</id>
	<title>AppStore</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1268062680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when Apple decides that I should be locked out of my car because I drove past the local porn shop and they consider that a TOS violation?  And how do I know they arn't going to purposely brick my key if I make after-market changes to my car?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when Apple decides that I should be locked out of my car because I drove past the local porn shop and they consider that a TOS violation ?
And how do I know they ar n't going to purposely brick my key if I make after-market changes to my car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when Apple decides that I should be locked out of my car because I drove past the local porn shop and they consider that a TOS violation?
And how do I know they arn't going to purposely brick my key if I make after-market changes to my car?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31421122</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1268138880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about casual proximity-based Bluetooth pairing and key exchange?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about casual proximity-based Bluetooth pairing and key exchange ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about casual proximity-based Bluetooth pairing and key exchange?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400304</id>
	<title>There's a program like this for the Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I forget what this program is called, but there's a program for the Mac that unlocks your computer if you are within x feet of it.  It works over bluetooth and you can set a radius in which it unlocks that works by signal strength.  I thought this was kind of cool at first but then realized I don't always want my computer unlocked just because my phone is near it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I forget what this program is called , but there 's a program for the Mac that unlocks your computer if you are within x feet of it .
It works over bluetooth and you can set a radius in which it unlocks that works by signal strength .
I thought this was kind of cool at first but then realized I do n't always want my computer unlocked just because my phone is near it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I forget what this program is called, but there's a program for the Mac that unlocks your computer if you are within x feet of it.
It works over bluetooth and you can set a radius in which it unlocks that works by signal strength.
I thought this was kind of cool at first but then realized I don't always want my computer unlocked just because my phone is near it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31409080</id>
	<title>Re:typical Apple</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268061600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, the sentence was ambiguous.  People were considering the applications; they were doing more than that, they were designing an entire set of standards to address those applications.</p><p>They weren't considering <i>patenting</i> them because that simply doesn't make sense: if you already have an industry consortium creating public standards to solve problem X, then "solving problem X" cannot reasonably be subject to patent protection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , the sentence was ambiguous .
People were considering the applications ; they were doing more than that , they were designing an entire set of standards to address those applications.They were n't considering patenting them because that simply does n't make sense : if you already have an industry consortium creating public standards to solve problem X , then " solving problem X " can not reasonably be subject to patent protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, the sentence was ambiguous.
People were considering the applications; they were doing more than that, they were designing an entire set of standards to address those applications.They weren't considering patenting them because that simply doesn't make sense: if you already have an industry consortium creating public standards to solve problem X, then "solving problem X" cannot reasonably be subject to patent protection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400682</id>
	<title>Trouble is iKey is already a trade name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let the lawyers engage in battle<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>http://www.ikey.com/</p><p>FYI</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let the lawyers engage in battle ...http : //www.ikey.com/FYI</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let the lawyers engage in battle ...http://www.ikey.com/FYI</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399960</id>
	<title>Re:Presumptions, presumptions</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1268059440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try not to mention Asian telco networks, speed or their state of tech.<br>
Let the locals enjoy their futuristic beads and mirrors.<br>
A highly attractive theft target would be a blogger working at google with an iphone?<br>
With their iphone near your new icutting equipped jailbroken iphone you can enter their home.<br> Plant a physical keystroke logger, no need for an IE link click.<br>
Hack different for the government or corporation paying your bills with the new icutter - clones any ikeys in range and all gps data too, just follow the map back home during working hours<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try not to mention Asian telco networks , speed or their state of tech .
Let the locals enjoy their futuristic beads and mirrors .
A highly attractive theft target would be a blogger working at google with an iphone ?
With their iphone near your new icutting equipped jailbroken iphone you can enter their home .
Plant a physical keystroke logger , no need for an IE link click .
Hack different for the government or corporation paying your bills with the new icutter - clones any ikeys in range and all gps data too , just follow the map back home during working hours : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try not to mention Asian telco networks, speed or their state of tech.
Let the locals enjoy their futuristic beads and mirrors.
A highly attractive theft target would be a blogger working at google with an iphone?
With their iphone near your new icutting equipped jailbroken iphone you can enter their home.
Plant a physical keystroke logger, no need for an IE link click.
Hack different for the government or corporation paying your bills with the new icutter - clones any ikeys in range and all gps data too, just follow the map back home during working hours :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399826</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and even if it was new, would it really be worthy of a patent?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and even if it was new , would it really be worthy of a patent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and even if it was new, would it really be worthy of a patent?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400636</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>FyRE666</author>
	<datestamp>1268064060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like a bad implementation to me. Why not have a small, pen-drive sized device that has a thumbprint scanner. When touched, the scanner would generate a one-time passkey, based on time/print which the device could verify using a private key (to prevent eavesdropping/copying). Seems stupid to have to get some device out, switch it on, then enter a keycode - if it's more cumbersome than current technology (keyfob, metal key) it's unlikely to take off, aside from amongst the usual Apple fan-boys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a bad implementation to me .
Why not have a small , pen-drive sized device that has a thumbprint scanner .
When touched , the scanner would generate a one-time passkey , based on time/print which the device could verify using a private key ( to prevent eavesdropping/copying ) .
Seems stupid to have to get some device out , switch it on , then enter a keycode - if it 's more cumbersome than current technology ( keyfob , metal key ) it 's unlikely to take off , aside from amongst the usual Apple fan-boys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a bad implementation to me.
Why not have a small, pen-drive sized device that has a thumbprint scanner.
When touched, the scanner would generate a one-time passkey, based on time/print which the device could verify using a private key (to prevent eavesdropping/copying).
Seems stupid to have to get some device out, switch it on, then enter a keycode - if it's more cumbersome than current technology (keyfob, metal key) it's unlikely to take off, aside from amongst the usual Apple fan-boys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400976</id>
	<title>RFID for opening doors is patented by Apple now</title>
	<author>Shompol</author>
	<datestamp>1268065740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>guess we will have to unlock doors the old way for another 100 years or so</htmltext>
<tokenext>guess we will have to unlock doors the old way for another 100 years or so</tokentext>
<sentencetext>guess we will have to unlock doors the old way for another 100 years or so</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401044</id>
	<title>bash quote?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268066160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one that read the title and immediately thought of this bash quote?  <a href="http://bash.org/?908184" title="bash.org" rel="nofollow">http://bash.org/?908184</a> [bash.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that read the title and immediately thought of this bash quote ?
http : //bash.org/ ? 908184 [ bash.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that read the title and immediately thought of this bash quote?
http://bash.org/?908184 [bash.org]
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31533054</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268935020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree...this isn't a new trend.  RFID and <a href="http://www.rfidreaderinfo.com/" title="rfidreaderinfo.com" rel="nofollow">RFID Readers</a> [rfidreaderinfo.com] are just adding to the overall advancing technology. Improving it or not is up for debate, but RFID, nonetheless is creating unique uses and scary advances for all technologies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree...this is n't a new trend .
RFID and RFID Readers [ rfidreaderinfo.com ] are just adding to the overall advancing technology .
Improving it or not is up for debate , but RFID , nonetheless is creating unique uses and scary advances for all technologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree...this isn't a new trend.
RFID and RFID Readers [rfidreaderinfo.com] are just adding to the overall advancing technology.
Improving it or not is up for debate, but RFID, nonetheless is creating unique uses and scary advances for all technologies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400234</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1268061420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) RFID is insecure<br>2) Universal keys are insecure<br>3) broadcast keys are insecure<br>4) You have not been to Alaska, Russia, Finland, etc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..  hungry wild bears do roam the streets....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) RFID is insecure2 ) Universal keys are insecure3 ) broadcast keys are insecure4 ) You have not been to Alaska , Russia , Finland , etc .. hungry wild bears do roam the streets... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) RFID is insecure2) Universal keys are insecure3) broadcast keys are insecure4) You have not been to Alaska, Russia, Finland, etc ..  hungry wild bears do roam the streets....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31409964</id>
	<title>Re:Always bad</title>
	<author>Hubert Farnsworth</author>
	<datestamp>1268070480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aye. Let us never forget that locks only keep the honest people out. good ol bricky doesnt care whether your lock is mechanical or pin activated</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aye .
Let us never forget that locks only keep the honest people out .
good ol bricky doesnt care whether your lock is mechanical or pin activated</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aye.
Let us never forget that locks only keep the honest people out.
good ol bricky doesnt care whether your lock is mechanical or pin activated</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400268</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NFC devices can be powered from the field, hence they can magically work to some extend (e.g. no PIN request) with a flat battery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NFC devices can be powered from the field , hence they can magically work to some extend ( e.g .
no PIN request ) with a flat battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NFC devices can be powered from the field, hence they can magically work to some extend (e.g.
no PIN request) with a flat battery.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400924</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1268065500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wild bears didn't just eat stupid people. Just as often they ate people whose guns were jammed, powder wet, etc. And stupid people can't help being stupid any more than smart people can help being smart. Why would you punish someone for something they have no control over? That sounds stupid in itself to me. So, are you going to punish yourself for your not only heartless, but stupid statement?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wild bears did n't just eat stupid people .
Just as often they ate people whose guns were jammed , powder wet , etc .
And stupid people ca n't help being stupid any more than smart people can help being smart .
Why would you punish someone for something they have no control over ?
That sounds stupid in itself to me .
So , are you going to punish yourself for your not only heartless , but stupid statement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wild bears didn't just eat stupid people.
Just as often they ate people whose guns were jammed, powder wet, etc.
And stupid people can't help being stupid any more than smart people can help being smart.
Why would you punish someone for something they have no control over?
That sounds stupid in itself to me.
So, are you going to punish yourself for your not only heartless, but stupid statement?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400278</id>
	<title>http://www.digikey.com/</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>some fluff to beat lameness filter, message as subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>some fluff to beat lameness filter , message as subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some fluff to beat lameness filter, message as subject.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31404728</id>
	<title>Filter is right this time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268040060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I shoot you in the face?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I shoot you in the face ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I shoot you in the face?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400368</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1268062260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's worth remembering that most consumer grade locks can be opened by a moderately skilled locksmith in seconds while leaving no trace</p></div><p>Skilled locksmiths are very carefull to keep that fact as secret as possible. How else could they charge you for a) opening your lock (in case you locked yourself out) AND IN ADDITION for b) an new lock cause your old one suffered some 'damage' in the course of a).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth remembering that most consumer grade locks can be opened by a moderately skilled locksmith in seconds while leaving no traceSkilled locksmiths are very carefull to keep that fact as secret as possible .
How else could they charge you for a ) opening your lock ( in case you locked yourself out ) AND IN ADDITION for b ) an new lock cause your old one suffered some 'damage ' in the course of a ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth remembering that most consumer grade locks can be opened by a moderately skilled locksmith in seconds while leaving no traceSkilled locksmiths are very carefull to keep that fact as secret as possible.
How else could they charge you for a) opening your lock (in case you locked yourself out) AND IN ADDITION for b) an new lock cause your old one suffered some 'damage' in the course of a).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399876</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399876</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>Fex303</author>
	<datestamp>1268059080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when someone breaks the security on your keyring?  A thief who stole your keys would be able to get into your house and rob everything, and make an escape in your car.</p><p>If they steal your wallet while they're about it, they can empty your bank account too.</p><p>While it's good to think about security, you've gotta actually compare the hypothetical worst case scenario of the new technology with a similar worst case scenario with the old technology (providing they require similar amounts effort/skill).</p><p>It's worth remembering that most consumer grade locks can be opened by a moderately skilled locksmith in seconds while leaving no trace - and opened in a similar amount of time by anyone provided they don't mind doing some damage.</p><p>And did you know that even a child with a small rock can gain access to your house using windows?!?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Well, a window.  Glass doesn't stand up well to brute force attacks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when someone breaks the security on your keyring ?
A thief who stole your keys would be able to get into your house and rob everything , and make an escape in your car.If they steal your wallet while they 're about it , they can empty your bank account too.While it 's good to think about security , you 've got ta actually compare the hypothetical worst case scenario of the new technology with a similar worst case scenario with the old technology ( providing they require similar amounts effort/skill ) .It 's worth remembering that most consumer grade locks can be opened by a moderately skilled locksmith in seconds while leaving no trace - and opened in a similar amount of time by anyone provided they do n't mind doing some damage.And did you know that even a child with a small rock can gain access to your house using windows ? ! ?
... Well , a window .
Glass does n't stand up well to brute force attacks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when someone breaks the security on your keyring?
A thief who stole your keys would be able to get into your house and rob everything, and make an escape in your car.If they steal your wallet while they're about it, they can empty your bank account too.While it's good to think about security, you've gotta actually compare the hypothetical worst case scenario of the new technology with a similar worst case scenario with the old technology (providing they require similar amounts effort/skill).It's worth remembering that most consumer grade locks can be opened by a moderately skilled locksmith in seconds while leaving no trace - and opened in a similar amount of time by anyone provided they don't mind doing some damage.And did you know that even a child with a small rock can gain access to your house using windows?!?
... Well, a window.
Glass doesn't stand up well to brute force attacks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399808</id>
	<title>ICKY</title>
	<author>Antiocheian</author>
	<datestamp>1268058660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. repulsive or distasteful.<br>2. excessively sweet or sentimental.<br><b>3. unsophisticated or old-fashioned.</b><br>4. sticky; viscid.</p><p>Origin:<br>1930&ndash;35, <i>Americanism</i></p><p>(According to dictionary.com)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1. repulsive or distasteful.2 .
excessively sweet or sentimental.3 .
unsophisticated or old-fashioned.4 .
sticky ; viscid.Origin : 1930    35 , Americanism ( According to dictionary.com )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. repulsive or distasteful.2.
excessively sweet or sentimental.3.
unsophisticated or old-fashioned.4.
sticky; viscid.Origin:1930–35, Americanism(According to dictionary.com)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400688</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>MrHanky</author>
	<datestamp>1268064480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same can be done with bluetooth as well. I don't know about the security (probably poor), but it's certainly possible to use my ancient Sony-Ericsson mobile phone to lock and unlock eg an X session under Linux, by proximity. If a car runs Linux, then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (it would never crash, but you'd have to assemble it yourself from bit parts from all over the web, using mostly outdated information, and it would only run on three year old roads -- but at least you would be able to unlock it with your phone).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same can be done with bluetooth as well .
I do n't know about the security ( probably poor ) , but it 's certainly possible to use my ancient Sony-Ericsson mobile phone to lock and unlock eg an X session under Linux , by proximity .
If a car runs Linux , then ... ( it would never crash , but you 'd have to assemble it yourself from bit parts from all over the web , using mostly outdated information , and it would only run on three year old roads -- but at least you would be able to unlock it with your phone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same can be done with bluetooth as well.
I don't know about the security (probably poor), but it's certainly possible to use my ancient Sony-Ericsson mobile phone to lock and unlock eg an X session under Linux, by proximity.
If a car runs Linux, then ... (it would never crash, but you'd have to assemble it yourself from bit parts from all over the web, using mostly outdated information, and it would only run on three year old roads -- but at least you would be able to unlock it with your phone).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400388</id>
	<title>So they relocated the num pad?</title>
	<author>northernfrights</author>
	<datestamp>1268062380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So instead of punching my PIN number directly into the lock on my car or house, which have had PIN based locks available for decades, I instead pull out my phone, load my iKey app, and punch my PIN in there?  Is this really easier or more secure?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of punching my PIN number directly into the lock on my car or house , which have had PIN based locks available for decades , I instead pull out my phone , load my iKey app , and punch my PIN in there ?
Is this really easier or more secure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of punching my PIN number directly into the lock on my car or house, which have had PIN based locks available for decades, I instead pull out my phone, load my iKey app, and punch my PIN in there?
Is this really easier or more secure?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401580</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1268068980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For reference, wild bears have very rarely ever eaten <i>any people</i> stupid or otherwise.  The myth of the raging bear is just that, a myth.  165 attacks between 1900 and 1995... Less than 5 people a year die from bear attacks in North America, and it's usually when the person startles a mother bear who is then protecting her young.  Bears "roaming the streets and looking for food" simply don't bother with humans because trash is easier to eat.  So are rabbits and fish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For reference , wild bears have very rarely ever eaten any people stupid or otherwise .
The myth of the raging bear is just that , a myth .
165 attacks between 1900 and 1995... Less than 5 people a year die from bear attacks in North America , and it 's usually when the person startles a mother bear who is then protecting her young .
Bears " roaming the streets and looking for food " simply do n't bother with humans because trash is easier to eat .
So are rabbits and fish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For reference, wild bears have very rarely ever eaten any people stupid or otherwise.
The myth of the raging bear is just that, a myth.
165 attacks between 1900 and 1995... Less than 5 people a year die from bear attacks in North America, and it's usually when the person startles a mother bear who is then protecting her young.
Bears "roaming the streets and looking for food" simply don't bother with humans because trash is easier to eat.
So are rabbits and fish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400924</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</id>
	<title>Depends...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268059080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one don't consider it "bad" if stupid people get punished for using "0000" as their PIN.</p><p>Hey... we are long overdue for some regular punishment of stupidity.<br>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night, eating stupid people. Haven't been any for centuries.<br>Wee need something to eliminate those genes from the pool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one do n't consider it " bad " if stupid people get punished for using " 0000 " as their PIN.Hey... we are long overdue for some regular punishment of stupidity.There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night , eating stupid people .
Have n't been any for centuries.Wee need something to eliminate those genes from the pool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one don't consider it "bad" if stupid people get punished for using "0000" as their PIN.Hey... we are long overdue for some regular punishment of stupidity.There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night, eating stupid people.
Haven't been any for centuries.Wee need something to eliminate those genes from the pool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31410722</id>
	<title>Single point of failure</title>
	<author>KnightBlade</author>
	<datestamp>1268164980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The more different things are cramped into one single point of failure, the scarier it gets. What happens when you lose this phone? Sure, even if you have real high security standards (in Apple's case I'll have to say phaha!), what happens to your access? You are locked out of everything- your home, car, mailbox, wallet and what not.

Today when you lose a key you probably ring up your friend or neighbor and ask for your spare key. I'm pretty sure most people will not pay Apple for two iPhones. Things like these always remind me of this quote-

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The more different things are cramped into one single point of failure , the scarier it gets .
What happens when you lose this phone ?
Sure , even if you have real high security standards ( in Apple 's case I 'll have to say phaha !
) , what happens to your access ?
You are locked out of everything- your home , car , mailbox , wallet and what not .
Today when you lose a key you probably ring up your friend or neighbor and ask for your spare key .
I 'm pretty sure most people will not pay Apple for two iPhones .
Things like these always remind me of this quote- " Any intelligent fool can make things bigger , more complex , and more violent .
It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction .
" - Albert Einstein .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more different things are cramped into one single point of failure, the scarier it gets.
What happens when you lose this phone?
Sure, even if you have real high security standards (in Apple's case I'll have to say phaha!
), what happens to your access?
You are locked out of everything- your home, car, mailbox, wallet and what not.
Today when you lose a key you probably ring up your friend or neighbor and ask for your spare key.
I'm pretty sure most people will not pay Apple for two iPhones.
Things like these always remind me of this quote-

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent.
It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction.
" - Albert Einstein.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402550</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268073480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd never use "0000" as a pin; I always use "123" as a PIN. It's much easier to remember, since it's the same as the combination on my luggage!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd never use " 0000 " as a pin ; I always use " 123 " as a PIN .
It 's much easier to remember , since it 's the same as the combination on my luggage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd never use "0000" as a pin; I always use "123" as a PIN.
It's much easier to remember, since it's the same as the combination on my luggage!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401082</id>
	<title>bleib1dj</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268066340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>finallyy been waiting for this type of device for a long time</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>finallyy been waiting for this type of device for a long time</tokentext>
<sentencetext>finallyy been waiting for this type of device for a long time</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399972</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268059500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ooh, how smart, they've invented the garage door opener!  Or the Remote car door lock.  Or the Remote RF house key.  Or the office doors that open with a credit card like card.  Those guys are constantly inventing!!!  Next thing you know, they'll invent the X11 system to control electric devices in the home...or they will invent the device that allows people to communicate over long or short distances without being able to see each other, and call it the telephone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooh , how smart , they 've invented the garage door opener !
Or the Remote car door lock .
Or the Remote RF house key .
Or the office doors that open with a credit card like card .
Those guys are constantly inventing ! ! !
Next thing you know , they 'll invent the X11 system to control electric devices in the home...or they will invent the device that allows people to communicate over long or short distances without being able to see each other , and call it the telephone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooh, how smart, they've invented the garage door opener!
Or the Remote car door lock.
Or the Remote RF house key.
Or the office doors that open with a credit card like card.
Those guys are constantly inventing!!!
Next thing you know, they'll invent the X11 system to control electric devices in the home...or they will invent the device that allows people to communicate over long or short distances without being able to see each other, and call it the telephone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400628</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>Conspiracy\_Of\_Doves</author>
	<datestamp>1268064060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One more word...</p><p>Blackout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One more word...Blackout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One more word...Blackout</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400558</id>
	<title>And one day</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1268063580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They will ban you from their approved users list, leaving you with an email message on your iPhone standing right before a closed door<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D</htmltext>
<tokenext>They will ban you from their approved users list , leaving you with an email message on your iPhone standing right before a closed door : -D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will ban you from their approved users list, leaving you with an email message on your iPhone standing right before a closed door :-D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401188</id>
	<title>Not much of an improvement</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1268066940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hm, lemme see. On the one hand, I have the essentially medieval technology of the physical key and keychain. Since I'm not a landlord or building maintenance worker, my keychain is of a manageable size. It only costs a few bucks, works with all of my existing locks, and you'd have to be a decent pickpocket to steal it from me. On the other hand, I have the proposed iPhone key function. It's a bit bigger than my keychain, costs a couple hundred bucks and involves a monthly fee in excess of my likely lifetime expenditure on traditional keys, requires daily charging, won't work with any of my existing locks, and a would-be thief only needs to steal my data.</p><p>What's not to like here? I mean, besides <i>all</i> of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hm , lem me see .
On the one hand , I have the essentially medieval technology of the physical key and keychain .
Since I 'm not a landlord or building maintenance worker , my keychain is of a manageable size .
It only costs a few bucks , works with all of my existing locks , and you 'd have to be a decent pickpocket to steal it from me .
On the other hand , I have the proposed iPhone key function .
It 's a bit bigger than my keychain , costs a couple hundred bucks and involves a monthly fee in excess of my likely lifetime expenditure on traditional keys , requires daily charging , wo n't work with any of my existing locks , and a would-be thief only needs to steal my data.What 's not to like here ?
I mean , besides all of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hm, lemme see.
On the one hand, I have the essentially medieval technology of the physical key and keychain.
Since I'm not a landlord or building maintenance worker, my keychain is of a manageable size.
It only costs a few bucks, works with all of my existing locks, and you'd have to be a decent pickpocket to steal it from me.
On the other hand, I have the proposed iPhone key function.
It's a bit bigger than my keychain, costs a couple hundred bucks and involves a monthly fee in excess of my likely lifetime expenditure on traditional keys, requires daily charging, won't work with any of my existing locks, and a would-be thief only needs to steal my data.What's not to like here?
I mean, besides all of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400124</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>RMH101</author>
	<datestamp>1268060700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a lot of the iphone capabilities aren't new: the new thing they're bringing is huge market penetration to the degree that it's worth other manufacturer's designing products to work with it.  Apple's sheer volume could make it commercially viable to make, say, an add-on for car alarms that unlocks based on proximity with the device - which is technically possible now but hasnt' really taken off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>a lot of the iphone capabilities are n't new : the new thing they 're bringing is huge market penetration to the degree that it 's worth other manufacturer 's designing products to work with it .
Apple 's sheer volume could make it commercially viable to make , say , an add-on for car alarms that unlocks based on proximity with the device - which is technically possible now but hasnt ' really taken off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a lot of the iphone capabilities aren't new: the new thing they're bringing is huge market penetration to the degree that it's worth other manufacturer's designing products to work with it.
Apple's sheer volume could make it commercially viable to make, say, an add-on for car alarms that unlocks based on proximity with the device - which is technically possible now but hasnt' really taken off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402244</id>
	<title>split keys?</title>
	<author>SkyMunky</author>
	<datestamp>1268072340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could allow option of key splitting like encryption keys. For example, my key will always work to open my lock, but I also have the option of having any 3 friends out of 10 I designate combine keys to allow my lock to open. This would be handy for getting locked out...just call the n number of neighbors you trusted with parts of you split key to meet you at the door.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could allow option of key splitting like encryption keys .
For example , my key will always work to open my lock , but I also have the option of having any 3 friends out of 10 I designate combine keys to allow my lock to open .
This would be handy for getting locked out...just call the n number of neighbors you trusted with parts of you split key to meet you at the door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could allow option of key splitting like encryption keys.
For example, my key will always work to open my lock, but I also have the option of having any 3 friends out of 10 I designate combine keys to allow my lock to open.
This would be handy for getting locked out...just call the n number of neighbors you trusted with parts of you split key to meet you at the door.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400134</id>
	<title>Makes sense</title>
	<author>RazZziel</author>
	<datestamp>1268060700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because a thief is much more likely to steal your house keys than your iPhone, you are more likely to leave your car keys forgotten somewhere as you're always handling them around, and your keys are much more likely to broke or fall in the water and leave you locked out.

How about making the iPhone your pacemaker, so your heart can beat to the rhythm of your music? BRB patenting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because a thief is much more likely to steal your house keys than your iPhone , you are more likely to leave your car keys forgotten somewhere as you 're always handling them around , and your keys are much more likely to broke or fall in the water and leave you locked out .
How about making the iPhone your pacemaker , so your heart can beat to the rhythm of your music ?
BRB patenting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because a thief is much more likely to steal your house keys than your iPhone, you are more likely to leave your car keys forgotten somewhere as you're always handling them around, and your keys are much more likely to broke or fall in the water and leave you locked out.
How about making the iPhone your pacemaker, so your heart can beat to the rhythm of your music?
BRB patenting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400048</id>
	<title>PIN #???</title>
	<author>TyFoN</author>
	<datestamp>1268060160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one would think the "great steve" would actually innovate and implement iris scan into the device<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>Isn't apple supposed to be the leader of innovation?..</p><p>Never mind that their department breaks down to something like 60\% marketing, 30\% design and 10\% engineers (yes, I'm being generous)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one would think the " great steve " would actually innovate and implement iris scan into the device ; ) Is n't apple supposed to be the leader of innovation ? ..Never mind that their department breaks down to something like 60 \ % marketing , 30 \ % design and 10 \ % engineers ( yes , I 'm being generous )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one would think the "great steve" would actually innovate and implement iris scan into the device ;)Isn't apple supposed to be the leader of innovation?..Never mind that their department breaks down to something like 60\% marketing, 30\% design and 10\% engineers (yes, I'm being generous)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399738</id>
	<title>Security?</title>
	<author>kingofnexus</author>
	<datestamp>1268058300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happens when someone breaks the security on the device/ technology? A thief would be able to get into your house and rob everything, make an escape in your car, and then empty your bank account all for cracking just 4 numbers.
I think I'll stick to the old manual lock and key thank you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when someone breaks the security on the device/ technology ?
A thief would be able to get into your house and rob everything , make an escape in your car , and then empty your bank account all for cracking just 4 numbers .
I think I 'll stick to the old manual lock and key thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when someone breaks the security on the device/ technology?
A thief would be able to get into your house and rob everything, make an escape in your car, and then empty your bank account all for cracking just 4 numbers.
I think I'll stick to the old manual lock and key thank you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399758</id>
	<title>typical Apple</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1268058420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An entire industry gears up to create technologies for short range wireless communications in order to replace keys.  Several companies already have solutions in the market, but they haven't caught on yet because the technology isn't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.</p><p>If things continue along Apple's usual path then: (1) Apple starts patenting the obvious applications of those technologies, something other people weren't even considering because that's what those technologies were designed for, (2) Apple starts adding immature implementations of the feature to their products at a premium price that only Apple customers would be willing to pay and gets accolades for how "innovative" they are, and (3) a few years later when other people are starting to offer mass market products at mass market prices, Apple starts suing them for patent violations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An entire industry gears up to create technologies for short range wireless communications in order to replace keys .
Several companies already have solutions in the market , but they have n't caught on yet because the technology is n't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.If things continue along Apple 's usual path then : ( 1 ) Apple starts patenting the obvious applications of those technologies , something other people were n't even considering because that 's what those technologies were designed for , ( 2 ) Apple starts adding immature implementations of the feature to their products at a premium price that only Apple customers would be willing to pay and gets accolades for how " innovative " they are , and ( 3 ) a few years later when other people are starting to offer mass market products at mass market prices , Apple starts suing them for patent violations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An entire industry gears up to create technologies for short range wireless communications in order to replace keys.
Several companies already have solutions in the market, but they haven't caught on yet because the technology isn't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.If things continue along Apple's usual path then: (1) Apple starts patenting the obvious applications of those technologies, something other people weren't even considering because that's what those technologies were designed for, (2) Apple starts adding immature implementations of the feature to their products at a premium price that only Apple customers would be willing to pay and gets accolades for how "innovative" they are, and (3) a few years later when other people are starting to offer mass market products at mass market prices, Apple starts suing them for patent violations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31405628</id>
	<title>Have this already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268044140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cars do this now. It just uses the key fob instead of the phone. So what, now Apple going to get this patent and try to sue for key fobs that do the same thing.  They say they're using NFC to do this, which many, many other devices already do. So big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cars do this now .
It just uses the key fob instead of the phone .
So what , now Apple going to get this patent and try to sue for key fobs that do the same thing .
They say they 're using NFC to do this , which many , many other devices already do .
So big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cars do this now.
It just uses the key fob instead of the phone.
So what, now Apple going to get this patent and try to sue for key fobs that do the same thing.
They say they're using NFC to do this, which many, many other devices already do.
So big deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401780</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1268070000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night</p></div><p>You haven't been to Juneau I guess.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at nightYou have n't been to Juneau I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at nightYou haven't been to Juneau I guess.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400488</id>
	<title>Terrible idea</title>
	<author>ProppaT</author>
	<datestamp>1268063040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, say this does catch on and people start getting house doors and cars compatible with this.  What if there's an emergency and I have to get into the house of a family member or friend and I don't have an iphone or whatever it'll take the pop the lock?  If there's an emergency, I doubt they're going to be able to hand me their phone or whatever this device might be...and what if they're so used to using this device to open all their doors and they don't have a physical key on them?</p><p>I don't like this every growing dependence on electronic devices for simple tasks, like opening and closing doors.  Of course, there's going to be the arguement that this is great for when you forget your keys at home, lock your keys in your car, etc.  And it will be great for those uses.  But come on, lets me seriously, people will use their device exclusively as their way of unlocking doors.  I definitely don't want to be stuck outside of my car or house just because I forgot to charge my phone before I leave the office...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , say this does catch on and people start getting house doors and cars compatible with this .
What if there 's an emergency and I have to get into the house of a family member or friend and I do n't have an iphone or whatever it 'll take the pop the lock ?
If there 's an emergency , I doubt they 're going to be able to hand me their phone or whatever this device might be...and what if they 're so used to using this device to open all their doors and they do n't have a physical key on them ? I do n't like this every growing dependence on electronic devices for simple tasks , like opening and closing doors .
Of course , there 's going to be the arguement that this is great for when you forget your keys at home , lock your keys in your car , etc .
And it will be great for those uses .
But come on , lets me seriously , people will use their device exclusively as their way of unlocking doors .
I definitely do n't want to be stuck outside of my car or house just because I forgot to charge my phone before I leave the office.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, say this does catch on and people start getting house doors and cars compatible with this.
What if there's an emergency and I have to get into the house of a family member or friend and I don't have an iphone or whatever it'll take the pop the lock?
If there's an emergency, I doubt they're going to be able to hand me their phone or whatever this device might be...and what if they're so used to using this device to open all their doors and they don't have a physical key on them?I don't like this every growing dependence on electronic devices for simple tasks, like opening and closing doors.
Of course, there's going to be the arguement that this is great for when you forget your keys at home, lock your keys in your car, etc.
And it will be great for those uses.
But come on, lets me seriously, people will use their device exclusively as their way of unlocking doors.
I definitely don't want to be stuck outside of my car or house just because I forgot to charge my phone before I leave the office...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31408620</id>
	<title>Awful idea</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1268057940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like Apple but this is an awful idea. If you want security then get a dog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like Apple but this is an awful idea .
If you want security then get a dog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like Apple but this is an awful idea.
If you want security then get a dog.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402134</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>eudaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1268071800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I don't trust Apple to get this right unless they sick Ed Felton, The Cypherpunks as a whole and Bruce Schnier to boot.<br>Can I bet the first to say iStoleIt with an iKey?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I do n't trust Apple to get this right unless they sick Ed Felton , The Cypherpunks as a whole and Bruce Schnier to boot.Can I bet the first to say iStoleIt with an iKey ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I don't trust Apple to get this right unless they sick Ed Felton, The Cypherpunks as a whole and Bruce Schnier to boot.Can I bet the first to say iStoleIt with an iKey?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400240</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>Anonymous Crobar</author>
	<datestamp>1268061420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think I'll stick to the old manual lock and key thank you.</p></div><p>Which, as we all know, has remained undefeated for hundreds of centuries!
All locks are beatable.  Even bank vaults are rated in "hours it takes a determined person to get in."  The only requirement on Apple, Ford or whomever implements this is that it is *slightly* harder to beat than say, breaking a window.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 'll stick to the old manual lock and key thank you.Which , as we all know , has remained undefeated for hundreds of centuries !
All locks are beatable .
Even bank vaults are rated in " hours it takes a determined person to get in .
" The only requirement on Apple , Ford or whomever implements this is that it is * slightly * harder to beat than say , breaking a window .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I'll stick to the old manual lock and key thank you.Which, as we all know, has remained undefeated for hundreds of centuries!
All locks are beatable.
Even bank vaults are rated in "hours it takes a determined person to get in.
"  The only requirement on Apple, Ford or whomever implements this is that it is *slightly* harder to beat than say, breaking a window.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400062</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1268060280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was my first thought. My second was that I don't see how fishing my iPod/iPhone/other device out of my pocket and entering a pass code is any easier than fishing my keys out and unlocking the door normally.</p><p>Cooler, yes, and one less thing to carry around, but easier and more reliable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was my first thought .
My second was that I do n't see how fishing my iPod/iPhone/other device out of my pocket and entering a pass code is any easier than fishing my keys out and unlocking the door normally.Cooler , yes , and one less thing to carry around , but easier and more reliable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was my first thought.
My second was that I don't see how fishing my iPod/iPhone/other device out of my pocket and entering a pass code is any easier than fishing my keys out and unlocking the door normally.Cooler, yes, and one less thing to carry around, but easier and more reliable?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400526</id>
	<title>House Location</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe an okay idea until you realize that the locations of your home can probably be found somewhere on your phone (or e-mail on your phone)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe an okay idea until you realize that the locations of your home can probably be found somewhere on your phone ( or e-mail on your phone )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe an okay idea until you realize that the locations of your home can probably be found somewhere on your phone (or e-mail on your phone)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400186</id>
	<title>Obligatory Bash.org</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.bash.org/?908184</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.bash.org/ ? 908184</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.bash.org/?908184</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400264</id>
	<title>I call "prior art"</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268061660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"The remote-access computer transponder called the "joymaker" is your most valuable single possession in your new life. If you can imagine a combination of telephone, credit card, alarm clock, pocket bar, reference library, and full-time secretary, you will have sketched some of the functions provided by your joymaker. "<i> From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Age\_of\_the\_Pussyfoot" title="wikipedia.org">The Age of the Pussyfoot</a> [wikipedia.org], published in <b>1966</b> by Frederic Pohl. (I read this as a scholastic bookclub selection if fifth grade, It's been obvious for a few years now that the iPhone is well on it's way to becoming a "joymaker", this patent brings it even closer.</i></i></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The remote-access computer transponder called the " joymaker " is your most valuable single possession in your new life .
If you can imagine a combination of telephone , credit card , alarm clock , pocket bar , reference library , and full-time secretary , you will have sketched some of the functions provided by your joymaker .
" From The Age of the Pussyfoot [ wikipedia.org ] , published in 1966 by Frederic Pohl .
( I read this as a scholastic bookclub selection if fifth grade , It 's been obvious for a few years now that the iPhone is well on it 's way to becoming a " joymaker " , this patent brings it even closer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The remote-access computer transponder called the "joymaker" is your most valuable single possession in your new life.
If you can imagine a combination of telephone, credit card, alarm clock, pocket bar, reference library, and full-time secretary, you will have sketched some of the functions provided by your joymaker.
" From The Age of the Pussyfoot [wikipedia.org], published in 1966 by Frederic Pohl.
(I read this as a scholastic bookclub selection if fifth grade, It's been obvious for a few years now that the iPhone is well on it's way to becoming a "joymaker", this patent brings it even closer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31412168</id>
	<title>Re:typical Apple</title>
	<author>etheryte</author>
	<datestamp>1268142420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Several companies already have solutions in the market, but they haven't caught on yet because the technology isn't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.</p></div><p>"isn't quite ready" ? "not cheap enough" ?  You need to research that a little bit more.  For at least a decade I've never worked at a place without those electric door "key card" locks.  Every my kids daycare used them.  Both my jobs, my wifes job, daycare, all use the same type of card.</p><p>The cards are about $4 and the little pencil-eraser keychain fobs cost a whopping $8.  Now this is from a reseller like smarthome.com.  Wholesale in bulk they are probably about half that.  Most businesses charge like $50 for a lost card, not because it costs $50 but to scare and intimidate the employees (some bosses love that) and also to make up for the labor cost of issuing another card.  They are cheap enough to put in a house, and I've been seriously considering it.</p><p>I integrated mine with my ipod by purchasing a silicone stretchy case and placing the credit card sized doorcard behind the ipod in the stretchy.  It was actually quite inconvenient and I was worried I'd drop the ipod so I stopped doing that.  It was more convenient to have them separate.</p><p>I think they are hurrying up, because the provider has long sold a little pencil eraser shaped fob, and I know people whom have made bracelets out of them.  A wee bit smaller and they could be mounted in a ring.  That would be quite convenient, since my had is usually near the door when I'm opening the door.</p></div><p>The bracelet (or a ring) is exactly the point when I'd consider getting this for my front door. Imagine the convenience - you're away, the door's locked, you reach to open it, it unlocks automatically.
Also, these kinds of items aren't something you exactly misplace. I, at least. I wear a single piece of jewelry: my school ring and I never take it off. The house key would be just the same.
The only problematic part I'd imagine would be running out of batteries. Backup mechanical keys, perhaps?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several companies already have solutions in the market , but they have n't caught on yet because the technology is n't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough .
" is n't quite ready " ?
" not cheap enough " ?
You need to research that a little bit more .
For at least a decade I 've never worked at a place without those electric door " key card " locks .
Every my kids daycare used them .
Both my jobs , my wifes job , daycare , all use the same type of card.The cards are about $ 4 and the little pencil-eraser keychain fobs cost a whopping $ 8 .
Now this is from a reseller like smarthome.com .
Wholesale in bulk they are probably about half that .
Most businesses charge like $ 50 for a lost card , not because it costs $ 50 but to scare and intimidate the employees ( some bosses love that ) and also to make up for the labor cost of issuing another card .
They are cheap enough to put in a house , and I 've been seriously considering it.I integrated mine with my ipod by purchasing a silicone stretchy case and placing the credit card sized doorcard behind the ipod in the stretchy .
It was actually quite inconvenient and I was worried I 'd drop the ipod so I stopped doing that .
It was more convenient to have them separate.I think they are hurrying up , because the provider has long sold a little pencil eraser shaped fob , and I know people whom have made bracelets out of them .
A wee bit smaller and they could be mounted in a ring .
That would be quite convenient , since my had is usually near the door when I 'm opening the door.The bracelet ( or a ring ) is exactly the point when I 'd consider getting this for my front door .
Imagine the convenience - you 're away , the door 's locked , you reach to open it , it unlocks automatically .
Also , these kinds of items are n't something you exactly misplace .
I , at least .
I wear a single piece of jewelry : my school ring and I never take it off .
The house key would be just the same .
The only problematic part I 'd imagine would be running out of batteries .
Backup mechanical keys , perhaps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several companies already have solutions in the market, but they haven't caught on yet because the technology isn't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.
"isn't quite ready" ?
"not cheap enough" ?
You need to research that a little bit more.
For at least a decade I've never worked at a place without those electric door "key card" locks.
Every my kids daycare used them.
Both my jobs, my wifes job, daycare, all use the same type of card.The cards are about $4 and the little pencil-eraser keychain fobs cost a whopping $8.
Now this is from a reseller like smarthome.com.
Wholesale in bulk they are probably about half that.
Most businesses charge like $50 for a lost card, not because it costs $50 but to scare and intimidate the employees (some bosses love that) and also to make up for the labor cost of issuing another card.
They are cheap enough to put in a house, and I've been seriously considering it.I integrated mine with my ipod by purchasing a silicone stretchy case and placing the credit card sized doorcard behind the ipod in the stretchy.
It was actually quite inconvenient and I was worried I'd drop the ipod so I stopped doing that.
It was more convenient to have them separate.I think they are hurrying up, because the provider has long sold a little pencil eraser shaped fob, and I know people whom have made bracelets out of them.
A wee bit smaller and they could be mounted in a ring.
That would be quite convenient, since my had is usually near the door when I'm opening the door.The bracelet (or a ring) is exactly the point when I'd consider getting this for my front door.
Imagine the convenience - you're away, the door's locked, you reach to open it, it unlocks automatically.
Also, these kinds of items aren't something you exactly misplace.
I, at least.
I wear a single piece of jewelry: my school ring and I never take it off.
The house key would be just the same.
The only problematic part I'd imagine would be running out of batteries.
Backup mechanical keys, perhaps?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402158</id>
	<title>This is new?</title>
	<author>rips123</author>
	<datestamp>1268071860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its not in Japan.

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FeliCa" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">FeliCa</a> [wikipedia.org] is used in ICoCA, Suica and PiTaPa train passes in Japan and there's even a creditcard version (Edy) that lets you make cash payments at any convenience store in the country without so much as opening your wallet. Pin number entry is optional (if using a mobile phone). You can also tie it to point cards for various department stores and electronics retailers (BIC camera, Yotsubashi Camera).

Apple are in a good business position to push this to the rest of the world but its not a new tech and as far as I'm aware, the Sony system has yet to be cracked but its based on <a href="http://www.proxmark.org/forum/topic/5/felica-protocol-specification/" title="proxmark.org" rel="nofollow">3DES</a> [proxmark.org] so strong but I wouldn't bet on it being that way in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple\_DES" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">10-20 years</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not in Japan .
FeliCa [ wikipedia.org ] is used in ICoCA , Suica and PiTaPa train passes in Japan and there 's even a creditcard version ( Edy ) that lets you make cash payments at any convenience store in the country without so much as opening your wallet .
Pin number entry is optional ( if using a mobile phone ) .
You can also tie it to point cards for various department stores and electronics retailers ( BIC camera , Yotsubashi Camera ) .
Apple are in a good business position to push this to the rest of the world but its not a new tech and as far as I 'm aware , the Sony system has yet to be cracked but its based on 3DES [ proxmark.org ] so strong but I would n't bet on it being that way in 10-20 years [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not in Japan.
FeliCa [wikipedia.org] is used in ICoCA, Suica and PiTaPa train passes in Japan and there's even a creditcard version (Edy) that lets you make cash payments at any convenience store in the country without so much as opening your wallet.
Pin number entry is optional (if using a mobile phone).
You can also tie it to point cards for various department stores and electronics retailers (BIC camera, Yotsubashi Camera).
Apple are in a good business position to push this to the rest of the world but its not a new tech and as far as I'm aware, the Sony system has yet to be cracked but its based on 3DES [proxmark.org] so strong but I wouldn't bet on it being that way in 10-20 years [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401016</id>
	<title>iBumpKey</title>
	<author>uncledrax</author>
	<datestamp>1268065980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want an iBumpKey.</p><p>'Brute force' app for RFIDs.. now controlled by your phone!</p><p>Of course an RFID reader app for it too.. swipe your phone near your bosses wallet and wallah, now the card readers can say it was clearly your boss that entered the server room at 2am drunk, and urinated on the VMWare server cluster.. (you just gotta deal with the security cameras..)</p><p>Of course, this is all possible now anyway w ith other methodologies... but *shrug*.. now it's provided by Mister Jobs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want an iBumpKey .
'Brute force ' app for RFIDs.. now controlled by your phone ! Of course an RFID reader app for it too.. swipe your phone near your bosses wallet and wallah , now the card readers can say it was clearly your boss that entered the server room at 2am drunk , and urinated on the VMWare server cluster.. ( you just got ta deal with the security cameras.. ) Of course , this is all possible now anyway w ith other methodologies... but * shrug * .. now it 's provided by Mister Jobs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want an iBumpKey.
'Brute force' app for RFIDs.. now controlled by your phone!Of course an RFID reader app for it too.. swipe your phone near your bosses wallet and wallah, now the card readers can say it was clearly your boss that entered the server room at 2am drunk, and urinated on the VMWare server cluster.. (you just gotta deal with the security cameras..)Of course, this is all possible now anyway w ith other methodologies... but *shrug*.. now it's provided by Mister Jobs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401766</id>
	<title>Thank you Apple for inventing Keys</title>
	<author>pigphish</author>
	<datestamp>1268069940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long will it be until we drop the "i" and just start calling them keys. What a great invention, something to open locks.
<br> <br>
Apple is even helping us deter theft. Will their wonderfulness never cease. What next? Will they invent analog clocks perhaps?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long will it be until we drop the " i " and just start calling them keys .
What a great invention , something to open locks .
Apple is even helping us deter theft .
Will their wonderfulness never cease .
What next ?
Will they invent analog clocks perhaps ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long will it be until we drop the "i" and just start calling them keys.
What a great invention, something to open locks.
Apple is even helping us deter theft.
Will their wonderfulness never cease.
What next?
Will they invent analog clocks perhaps?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400096</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>pmontra</author>
	<datestamp>1268060520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but also these little single words: blackout, backup, durability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but also these little single words : blackout , backup , durability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but also these little single words: blackout, backup, durability.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401164</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268066820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, of course Apple's hardware and products aren't secure.  It's nothing new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , of course Apple 's hardware and products are n't secure .
It 's nothing new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, of course Apple's hardware and products aren't secure.
It's nothing new.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31405484</id>
	<title>Idiocy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268043540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's after dark in a rainstorm with blowing wind. I'm struggling with my groceries and digging in my pocket for my keys and oops!!!! I drop them in a puddle, then step on them, fish them out of the mud, wipe them off, and they still work.</p><p>The first and most important rule of engineering is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's after dark in a rainstorm with blowing wind .
I 'm struggling with my groceries and digging in my pocket for my keys and oops ! ! ! !
I drop them in a puddle , then step on them , fish them out of the mud , wipe them off , and they still work.The first and most important rule of engineering is " if it ai n't broke , do n't fix it .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's after dark in a rainstorm with blowing wind.
I'm struggling with my groceries and digging in my pocket for my keys and oops!!!!
I drop them in a puddle, then step on them, fish them out of the mud, wipe them off, and they still work.The first and most important rule of engineering is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399818</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>kainewynd2</author>
	<datestamp>1268058720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno... hmm...</p><p>If communication is encrypted, there is an encrypted device hash that limits this functionality to specific devices *AND* a four digit pin, I might be interested.  At least, I will be if I can still have a key in case of dead battery.  That would be a shitty support call... "Hi, Applecare?  Let me in my fucking house!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno... hmm...If communication is encrypted , there is an encrypted device hash that limits this functionality to specific devices * AND * a four digit pin , I might be interested .
At least , I will be if I can still have a key in case of dead battery .
That would be a shitty support call... " Hi , Applecare ?
Let me in my fucking house !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno... hmm...If communication is encrypted, there is an encrypted device hash that limits this functionality to specific devices *AND* a four digit pin, I might be interested.
At least, I will be if I can still have a key in case of dead battery.
That would be a shitty support call... "Hi, Applecare?
Let me in my fucking house!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401346</id>
	<title>This isn't much different than Bluetooth</title>
	<author>rrossman2</author>
	<datestamp>1268067780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't much different than using Bluetooth and the Ubuntu lock package.. you link your bluetooth device with the computer, and then if you're phone/bluetooth device is further away than a distance you set the computer goes into a screensaver lock. When the bluetooth device is within the proximity again, the screensaver unlocks and you can use the PC again. <br> <br>
Also, many companies and HUD housing little key ring RF devices that you run near a pad and the door unlocks/opens. Placing this chip into a phone isn't much different. Heck a lot of cars now use smartkeys that also use this method. Even home automation (for example Control4) has options for this as well that I believe can be linked to a phone also. I'm not sure what Apple is going to be able to patent in regard to this idea that hasn't already been patented, or isn't obvious to anyone in the field.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't much different than using Bluetooth and the Ubuntu lock package.. you link your bluetooth device with the computer , and then if you 're phone/bluetooth device is further away than a distance you set the computer goes into a screensaver lock .
When the bluetooth device is within the proximity again , the screensaver unlocks and you can use the PC again .
Also , many companies and HUD housing little key ring RF devices that you run near a pad and the door unlocks/opens .
Placing this chip into a phone is n't much different .
Heck a lot of cars now use smartkeys that also use this method .
Even home automation ( for example Control4 ) has options for this as well that I believe can be linked to a phone also .
I 'm not sure what Apple is going to be able to patent in regard to this idea that has n't already been patented , or is n't obvious to anyone in the field .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't much different than using Bluetooth and the Ubuntu lock package.. you link your bluetooth device with the computer, and then if you're phone/bluetooth device is further away than a distance you set the computer goes into a screensaver lock.
When the bluetooth device is within the proximity again, the screensaver unlocks and you can use the PC again.
Also, many companies and HUD housing little key ring RF devices that you run near a pad and the door unlocks/opens.
Placing this chip into a phone isn't much different.
Heck a lot of cars now use smartkeys that also use this method.
Even home automation (for example Control4) has options for this as well that I believe can be linked to a phone also.
I'm not sure what Apple is going to be able to patent in regard to this idea that hasn't already been patented, or isn't obvious to anyone in the field.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399700</id>
	<title>iThings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268057940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>When will they make iDildo?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will they make iDildo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will they make iDildo?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31405052</id>
	<title>Been there, done that</title>
	<author>nsayer</author>
	<datestamp>1268041680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, isn't this what <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart\_card" title="wikipedia.org">Smart cards</a> [wikipedia.org] were supposed to do for us?</p><p>As for the 'waving it in front' part, they have that too - in the form of contactless smart cards. They use them for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransLink\_(San\_Francisco\_Bay\_Area)" title="wikipedia.org">TransLink</a> [wikipedia.org] around here. I know this, because I took an ordinary JavaCard and waved it in front of a TransLink terminal and it actually responded (of course, it responded, "Tag Card Again," because the correct applet obviously wasn't on the card, but still).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , is n't this what Smart cards [ wikipedia.org ] were supposed to do for us ? As for the 'waving it in front ' part , they have that too - in the form of contactless smart cards .
They use them for TransLink [ wikipedia.org ] around here .
I know this , because I took an ordinary JavaCard and waved it in front of a TransLink terminal and it actually responded ( of course , it responded , " Tag Card Again , " because the correct applet obviously was n't on the card , but still ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, isn't this what Smart cards [wikipedia.org] were supposed to do for us?As for the 'waving it in front' part, they have that too - in the form of contactless smart cards.
They use them for TransLink [wikipedia.org] around here.
I know this, because I took an ordinary JavaCard and waved it in front of a TransLink terminal and it actually responded (of course, it responded, "Tag Card Again," because the correct applet obviously wasn't on the card, but still).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31404942</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1268041080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Iphone? Huge penetration? Citation for that please?</p><p><i>Apple's sheer volume</i></p><p>Possibly you were confused and thinking of the Ipod instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Iphone ?
Huge penetration ?
Citation for that please ? Apple 's sheer volumePossibly you were confused and thinking of the Ipod instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iphone?
Huge penetration?
Citation for that please?Apple's sheer volumePossibly you were confused and thinking of the Ipod instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400124</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400020</id>
	<title>Always bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268059860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering the relative ease with which RFID has been hacked, and how long it took for Bluetooth to become only reasonably secure, and how far off good wireless security is . .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p>And that's the discussion you go through <i>before</i> you get to "stupid people."</p><p>And let's not even have the "If software can't keep gas pedals from sticking, what will it do for door locks."</p><p>I'm an opponent of the excessive and unnecessary desire to expand technology into areas where an existing technology already does a better job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the relative ease with which RFID has been hacked , and how long it took for Bluetooth to become only reasonably secure , and how far off good wireless security is .
. .And that 's the discussion you go through before you get to " stupid people .
" And let 's not even have the " If software ca n't keep gas pedals from sticking , what will it do for door locks .
" I 'm an opponent of the excessive and unnecessary desire to expand technology into areas where an existing technology already does a better job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the relative ease with which RFID has been hacked, and how long it took for Bluetooth to become only reasonably secure, and how far off good wireless security is .
. .And that's the discussion you go through before you get to "stupid people.
"And let's not even have the "If software can't keep gas pedals from sticking, what will it do for door locks.
"I'm an opponent of the excessive and unnecessary desire to expand technology into areas where an existing technology already does a better job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401692</id>
	<title>iScrew Apple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268069580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being hyper visual, like reading something and a word pops in my head and I'm like, where did that word come from... scanning, scanning, there, three paragraphs ahead, frack, I've been more and more irritated having to double-take on this Phone vs iPhone crap.  And now iKey.  Future Gizmodo Post: iKey to Open the Multiverse.  I'm like, omg, omg, omg. Like when I somehow thought I was watching a reputable news source when falling to sleep one night and the next day I was telling all my coworkers, THERE IS A FACE ON MARS! A FACE! ON MARS.</p><p>Didn't RTFA on the latest patent but gleaned that one regarded swiping a path with your finger to unlock. Really isn't this the same as using mouse gestures?  Sucks forgetting your meds the same day you're unfortunately out of your other meds that usually come in a sandwich bag that you smoke and symptomatically writing and looking for an audience to listen to your irritations, which you suddenly are accumulating at a frightening rate. Reminds me of a good advertisement I saw recently for smoking cessation gum: Quitting Suck... pops a piece of gum... Suck Less.  Seriously though, I hate advertising and think they're mostly great evil tendrils poking us in the eyes and ears.  It's been irritating me.  And we kill each other a lot and use huge amounts of resources to do it and extracting these resource probably has contributed greatly to releasing a great huge number of bad things into the atmosphere, water, and dirt and will maybe certainly kill or cripple us sometime in the next second to one hundred years. Loads bowl... suucckks less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being hyper visual , like reading something and a word pops in my head and I 'm like , where did that word come from... scanning , scanning , there , three paragraphs ahead , frack , I 've been more and more irritated having to double-take on this Phone vs iPhone crap .
And now iKey .
Future Gizmodo Post : iKey to Open the Multiverse .
I 'm like , omg , omg , omg .
Like when I somehow thought I was watching a reputable news source when falling to sleep one night and the next day I was telling all my coworkers , THERE IS A FACE ON MARS !
A FACE !
ON MARS.Did n't RTFA on the latest patent but gleaned that one regarded swiping a path with your finger to unlock .
Really is n't this the same as using mouse gestures ?
Sucks forgetting your meds the same day you 're unfortunately out of your other meds that usually come in a sandwich bag that you smoke and symptomatically writing and looking for an audience to listen to your irritations , which you suddenly are accumulating at a frightening rate .
Reminds me of a good advertisement I saw recently for smoking cessation gum : Quitting Suck... pops a piece of gum... Suck Less .
Seriously though , I hate advertising and think they 're mostly great evil tendrils poking us in the eyes and ears .
It 's been irritating me .
And we kill each other a lot and use huge amounts of resources to do it and extracting these resource probably has contributed greatly to releasing a great huge number of bad things into the atmosphere , water , and dirt and will maybe certainly kill or cripple us sometime in the next second to one hundred years .
Loads bowl... suucckks less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being hyper visual, like reading something and a word pops in my head and I'm like, where did that word come from... scanning, scanning, there, three paragraphs ahead, frack, I've been more and more irritated having to double-take on this Phone vs iPhone crap.
And now iKey.
Future Gizmodo Post: iKey to Open the Multiverse.
I'm like, omg, omg, omg.
Like when I somehow thought I was watching a reputable news source when falling to sleep one night and the next day I was telling all my coworkers, THERE IS A FACE ON MARS!
A FACE!
ON MARS.Didn't RTFA on the latest patent but gleaned that one regarded swiping a path with your finger to unlock.
Really isn't this the same as using mouse gestures?
Sucks forgetting your meds the same day you're unfortunately out of your other meds that usually come in a sandwich bag that you smoke and symptomatically writing and looking for an audience to listen to your irritations, which you suddenly are accumulating at a frightening rate.
Reminds me of a good advertisement I saw recently for smoking cessation gum: Quitting Suck... pops a piece of gum... Suck Less.
Seriously though, I hate advertising and think they're mostly great evil tendrils poking us in the eyes and ears.
It's been irritating me.
And we kill each other a lot and use huge amounts of resources to do it and extracting these resource probably has contributed greatly to releasing a great huge number of bad things into the atmosphere, water, and dirt and will maybe certainly kill or cripple us sometime in the next second to one hundred years.
Loads bowl... suucckks less.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401184</id>
	<title>Re:Always bad</title>
	<author>EvilNTUser</author>
	<datestamp>1268066880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reducing the whole thing to door locks is misleading.  NFC is about replacing everything you carry with you: keys (I'd keep my home key physical), credit cards, bus passes etc.  Remove all that from your pocket, and you've already made a significant difference, "excessive" technology be damned.  NFC isn't really any more fundamentally flawed than the current stripe/chip system as long as decent encryption is used.</p><p>But none of this tech is new.  If you want to go all conspiracy theorist, it may have remained obscure because existing payment processing companies think it's a threat and refuse to support it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reducing the whole thing to door locks is misleading .
NFC is about replacing everything you carry with you : keys ( I 'd keep my home key physical ) , credit cards , bus passes etc .
Remove all that from your pocket , and you 've already made a significant difference , " excessive " technology be damned .
NFC is n't really any more fundamentally flawed than the current stripe/chip system as long as decent encryption is used.But none of this tech is new .
If you want to go all conspiracy theorist , it may have remained obscure because existing payment processing companies think it 's a threat and refuse to support it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reducing the whole thing to door locks is misleading.
NFC is about replacing everything you carry with you: keys (I'd keep my home key physical), credit cards, bus passes etc.
Remove all that from your pocket, and you've already made a significant difference, "excessive" technology be damned.
NFC isn't really any more fundamentally flawed than the current stripe/chip system as long as decent encryption is used.But none of this tech is new.
If you want to go all conspiracy theorist, it may have remained obscure because existing payment processing companies think it's a threat and refuse to support it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400212</id>
	<title>Well the good news is..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your keys won't scratch your iphone anymore.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your keys wo n't scratch your iphone anymore .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your keys won't scratch your iphone anymore.
:/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399720</id>
	<title>Not an invitation to trouble at all</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1268058180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A universal key could never lead to bad things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A universal key could never lead to bad things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A universal key could never lead to bad things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401430</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1268068260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The correct translation follows:<br><br>ALL YOUR LOCK ARE BELONG TO US!<br><br>What could be more secure than someone else having the keys to the castle?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The correct translation follows : ALL YOUR LOCK ARE BELONG TO US ! What could be more secure than someone else having the keys to the castle ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The correct translation follows:ALL YOUR LOCK ARE BELONG TO US!What could be more secure than someone else having the keys to the castle?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402264</id>
	<title>wow, similar functionality to my PDA in 1998</title>
	<author>jsepeta</author>
	<datestamp>1268072400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my brother was able to use an app from my Palm Pilot using IR to unlock his Ford Taurus' doors back in 1998. Way to keep up with the times, Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my brother was able to use an app from my Palm Pilot using IR to unlock his Ford Taurus ' doors back in 1998 .
Way to keep up with the times , Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my brother was able to use an app from my Palm Pilot using IR to unlock his Ford Taurus' doors back in 1998.
Way to keep up with the times, Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402606</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268073720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would a thief bother to break the security on this device, when they can get into my house much more easily by breaking the full-length window that frames my front door, then simply reaching in and unlocking the door?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would a thief bother to break the security on this device , when they can get into my house much more easily by breaking the full-length window that frames my front door , then simply reaching in and unlocking the door ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would a thief bother to break the security on this device, when they can get into my house much more easily by breaking the full-length window that frames my front door, then simply reaching in and unlocking the door?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400902</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>dargaud</author>
	<datestamp>1268065440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, and good luck putting an iPhone under the mat so that your friends come come feed the cat and water the plants...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and good luck putting an iPhone under the mat so that your friends come come feed the cat and water the plants.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and good luck putting an iPhone under the mat so that your friends come come feed the cat and water the plants...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400256</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The fourth generation of the iPhone is getting NFC/RFID capabilities, much like some other phones already have.<br> <br>

This isn't new.</p></div></blockquote><p>ZOMFG d00d, butt its <b>APPEL</b>, and thay arrr teh 3V1LL!!!!!!!!!ZOMG!!!ONEZ!!!!!teh 4n71kr1s7 6666!666!666!<br> <br>-- <br>ROFLMAO @ teh M0r0nz h4770rzz</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fourth generation of the iPhone is getting NFC/RFID capabilities , much like some other phones already have .
This is n't new.ZOMFG d00d , butt its APPEL , and thay arrr teh 3V1LL ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ZOMG ! ! ! ONEZ ! ! ! !
! teh 4n71kr1s7 6666 ! 666 ! 666 !
-- ROFLMAO @ teh M0r0nz h4770rzz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fourth generation of the iPhone is getting NFC/RFID capabilities, much like some other phones already have.
This isn't new.ZOMFG d00d, butt its APPEL, and thay arrr teh 3V1LL!!!!!!!!!ZOMG!!!ONEZ!!!!
!teh 4n71kr1s7 6666!666!666!
-- ROFLMAO @ teh M0r0nz h4770rzz
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400480</id>
	<title>"enter a pin"?</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1268062980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
How is this more convenient?  If mere proximity were sufficient (as in the Prius key) it might be interesting, but if I have to pull out a device and tap in a pin to make it work, that's hardly more convenient than having a key that I had to pull out and fit into the lock.  And what happens when the device runs out of grunt?  Do I have to find a charger before I can get into my house?  Maybe not if I can still use a conventional key.  But if I have to keep a key with me anyway, what value, other than excruciating nerdism, would the device have?
</p><p>
I guess one could argue that it's more secure ("something you have and something you know") but with all the people hacking rfid these days, that doesn't seem likely either.
</p><p>
This seems like a gimmick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this more convenient ?
If mere proximity were sufficient ( as in the Prius key ) it might be interesting , but if I have to pull out a device and tap in a pin to make it work , that 's hardly more convenient than having a key that I had to pull out and fit into the lock .
And what happens when the device runs out of grunt ?
Do I have to find a charger before I can get into my house ?
Maybe not if I can still use a conventional key .
But if I have to keep a key with me anyway , what value , other than excruciating nerdism , would the device have ?
I guess one could argue that it 's more secure ( " something you have and something you know " ) but with all the people hacking rfid these days , that does n't seem likely either .
This seems like a gimmick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
How is this more convenient?
If mere proximity were sufficient (as in the Prius key) it might be interesting, but if I have to pull out a device and tap in a pin to make it work, that's hardly more convenient than having a key that I had to pull out and fit into the lock.
And what happens when the device runs out of grunt?
Do I have to find a charger before I can get into my house?
Maybe not if I can still use a conventional key.
But if I have to keep a key with me anyway, what value, other than excruciating nerdism, would the device have?
I guess one could argue that it's more secure ("something you have and something you know") but with all the people hacking rfid these days, that doesn't seem likely either.
This seems like a gimmick.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31410590</id>
	<title>Hmmmmmmmmm not another one.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268077080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This stuff can be really great; </p><p>-</p><p> Except when:</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p> A. It gets hacked; and</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p> B. The metaphorical "power goes out" or system crash / failure events occour.</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p> No home. No Computer. No phone. No car.</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p> And of course the only way access can be restored is by a phone call to the flooded call center, on a phone that doesn't work.</p><p>-</p><p>-</p><p> Me thinks: No Way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This stuff can be really great ; - Except when : -- A. It gets hacked ; and-- B. The metaphorical " power goes out " or system crash / failure events occour.-- No home .
No Computer .
No phone .
No car.-- And of course the only way access can be restored is by a phone call to the flooded call center , on a phone that does n't work.-- Me thinks : No Way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This stuff can be really great; - Except when:-- A. It gets hacked; and-- B. The metaphorical "power goes out" or system crash / failure events occour.-- No home.
No Computer.
No phone.
No car.-- And of course the only way access can be restored is by a phone call to the flooded call center, on a phone that doesn't work.-- Me thinks: No Way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31408060</id>
	<title>meh</title>
	<author>GregNorc</author>
	<datestamp>1268054220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can do this with commodity hardware. CMU's <a href="http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~grey/" title="cmu.edu">GREY</a> [cmu.edu] program has been letting users not only open doors, but manage issues such as access control lists, key management, and usability issues associated with such a system. There's been a considerable amount of information published as a result of their research. They've been doing this since about 2005. It is by no means a new idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can do this with commodity hardware .
CMU 's GREY [ cmu.edu ] program has been letting users not only open doors , but manage issues such as access control lists , key management , and usability issues associated with such a system .
There 's been a considerable amount of information published as a result of their research .
They 've been doing this since about 2005 .
It is by no means a new idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can do this with commodity hardware.
CMU's GREY [cmu.edu] program has been letting users not only open doors, but manage issues such as access control lists, key management, and usability issues associated with such a system.
There's been a considerable amount of information published as a result of their research.
They've been doing this since about 2005.
It is by no means a new idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400666</id>
	<title>someone is trying this again?</title>
	<author>cenobyte40k</author>
	<datestamp>1268064300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's so awesome in a "wow how many people are going to try and fail at this" kind of way...

Your cell phone or other electronic device can't replace your wallet or keys. You can't replace your keys until everything on your key chain has an electronic lock, including your shed out back, that lock box you keep, and the old truck you keep around for getting mulch. You can't replace your wallet until it can replace your Drivers Licence (Required by law in all 50 states to operate a car), you mil ID, that emergency credit card, you work ID and the emergency key for you car.

They want me to pay big money to get a device that is compatible with a system they developed, then replace my car, all my house locks, get everyone I have a key for (Half my family) locks changed, entrust my credit card to yet another 3rd party (that I am sure will charge a fee) and all it will do is mean I have a few less keys (Unless they are going to make a electronic pad lock for my shed and rental storage and my work desk) and a slightly thinner wallet.

This is all before looking at the device for security issues, what happens when the power is out, or the battery in the device is flat? What happens when someone steals it or it's broken?  Can you just give someone an electronic copy in case you loose it? How do you keep them from just giving copies away, etc,etc.

This is what we call failure to think through the problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's so awesome in a " wow how many people are going to try and fail at this " kind of way.. . Your cell phone or other electronic device ca n't replace your wallet or keys .
You ca n't replace your keys until everything on your key chain has an electronic lock , including your shed out back , that lock box you keep , and the old truck you keep around for getting mulch .
You ca n't replace your wallet until it can replace your Drivers Licence ( Required by law in all 50 states to operate a car ) , you mil ID , that emergency credit card , you work ID and the emergency key for you car .
They want me to pay big money to get a device that is compatible with a system they developed , then replace my car , all my house locks , get everyone I have a key for ( Half my family ) locks changed , entrust my credit card to yet another 3rd party ( that I am sure will charge a fee ) and all it will do is mean I have a few less keys ( Unless they are going to make a electronic pad lock for my shed and rental storage and my work desk ) and a slightly thinner wallet .
This is all before looking at the device for security issues , what happens when the power is out , or the battery in the device is flat ?
What happens when someone steals it or it 's broken ?
Can you just give someone an electronic copy in case you loose it ?
How do you keep them from just giving copies away , etc,etc .
This is what we call failure to think through the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's so awesome in a "wow how many people are going to try and fail at this" kind of way...

Your cell phone or other electronic device can't replace your wallet or keys.
You can't replace your keys until everything on your key chain has an electronic lock, including your shed out back, that lock box you keep, and the old truck you keep around for getting mulch.
You can't replace your wallet until it can replace your Drivers Licence (Required by law in all 50 states to operate a car), you mil ID, that emergency credit card, you work ID and the emergency key for you car.
They want me to pay big money to get a device that is compatible with a system they developed, then replace my car, all my house locks, get everyone I have a key for (Half my family) locks changed, entrust my credit card to yet another 3rd party (that I am sure will charge a fee) and all it will do is mean I have a few less keys (Unless they are going to make a electronic pad lock for my shed and rental storage and my work desk) and a slightly thinner wallet.
This is all before looking at the device for security issues, what happens when the power is out, or the battery in the device is flat?
What happens when someone steals it or it's broken?
Can you just give someone an electronic copy in case you loose it?
How do you keep them from just giving copies away, etc,etc.
This is what we call failure to think through the problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399934</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1268059320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Flat battery</p></div><p>Well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. you just carry a spare battery to swap out when you need it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  oh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. never mind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Flat batteryWell .. you just carry a spare battery to swap out when you need it ... oh .. never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flat batteryWell .. you just carry a spare battery to swap out when you need it ...  oh .. never mind.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400992</id>
	<title>Doors Aren't That Secure</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1268065860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My folks had their door broken down while they were away, and their house ransacked. I've had people "gain access" to my car by breaking the windows on a couple of occasions. Why go to the trouble of stealing someone's RFID key when it's much easier just to force your way in? And if one house makes it too difficult with steel doors and window bars, they'll just move on to the next one. Its not like there aren't plenty of easy pickings for a would-be criminal.
<p>
Several times I've thought about installing a card key reader in my house so I could just badge into it with my work badge. It's not all that hard to set a system up if I could be bothered, but it doesn't quite have enough cool factor to actually do that. I don't know if there's anything interesting Apple could patent in the area though -- key swipe and RFID readers have been in use by companies for decades now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My folks had their door broken down while they were away , and their house ransacked .
I 've had people " gain access " to my car by breaking the windows on a couple of occasions .
Why go to the trouble of stealing someone 's RFID key when it 's much easier just to force your way in ?
And if one house makes it too difficult with steel doors and window bars , they 'll just move on to the next one .
Its not like there are n't plenty of easy pickings for a would-be criminal .
Several times I 've thought about installing a card key reader in my house so I could just badge into it with my work badge .
It 's not all that hard to set a system up if I could be bothered , but it does n't quite have enough cool factor to actually do that .
I do n't know if there 's anything interesting Apple could patent in the area though -- key swipe and RFID readers have been in use by companies for decades now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My folks had their door broken down while they were away, and their house ransacked.
I've had people "gain access" to my car by breaking the windows on a couple of occasions.
Why go to the trouble of stealing someone's RFID key when it's much easier just to force your way in?
And if one house makes it too difficult with steel doors and window bars, they'll just move on to the next one.
Its not like there aren't plenty of easy pickings for a would-be criminal.
Several times I've thought about installing a card key reader in my house so I could just badge into it with my work badge.
It's not all that hard to set a system up if I could be bothered, but it doesn't quite have enough cool factor to actually do that.
I don't know if there's anything interesting Apple could patent in the area though -- key swipe and RFID readers have been in use by companies for decades now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402038</id>
	<title>Re:some fluff to beat lameness filter, message as</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1268071320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Message as subject?  Is that really what you meant?</p><p>Wild notion: why not use the <em>message</em> as the message, and the <em>subject</em> as the subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Message as subject ?
Is that really what you meant ? Wild notion : why not use the message as the message , and the subject as the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Message as subject?
Is that really what you meant?Wild notion: why not use the message as the message, and the subject as the subject.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400218</id>
	<title>Re:typical Apple</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1268061300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Several companies already have solutions in the market, but they haven't caught on yet because the technology isn't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.</p></div><p>"isn't quite ready" ? "not cheap enough" ?  You need to research that a little bit more.  For at least a decade I've never worked at a place without those electric door "key card" locks.  Every my kids daycare used them.  Both my jobs, my wifes job, daycare, all use the same type of card.</p><p>The cards are about $4 and the little pencil-eraser keychain fobs cost a whopping $8.  Now this is from a reseller like smarthome.com.  Wholesale in bulk they are probably about half that.  Most businesses charge like $50 for a lost card, not because it costs $50 but to scare and intimidate the employees (some bosses love that) and also to make up for the labor cost of issuing another card.  They are cheap enough to put in a house, and I've been seriously considering it.</p><p>I integrated mine with my ipod by purchasing a silicone stretchy case and placing the credit card sized doorcard behind the ipod in the stretchy.  It was actually quite inconvenient and I was worried I'd drop the ipod so I stopped doing that.  It was more convenient to have them separate.</p><p>I think they are hurrying up, because the provider has long sold a little pencil eraser shaped fob, and I know people whom have made bracelets out of them.  A wee bit smaller and they could be mounted in a ring.  That would be quite convenient, since my had is usually near the door when I'm opening the door.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several companies already have solutions in the market , but they have n't caught on yet because the technology is n't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough .
" is n't quite ready " ?
" not cheap enough " ?
You need to research that a little bit more .
For at least a decade I 've never worked at a place without those electric door " key card " locks .
Every my kids daycare used them .
Both my jobs , my wifes job , daycare , all use the same type of card.The cards are about $ 4 and the little pencil-eraser keychain fobs cost a whopping $ 8 .
Now this is from a reseller like smarthome.com .
Wholesale in bulk they are probably about half that .
Most businesses charge like $ 50 for a lost card , not because it costs $ 50 but to scare and intimidate the employees ( some bosses love that ) and also to make up for the labor cost of issuing another card .
They are cheap enough to put in a house , and I 've been seriously considering it.I integrated mine with my ipod by purchasing a silicone stretchy case and placing the credit card sized doorcard behind the ipod in the stretchy .
It was actually quite inconvenient and I was worried I 'd drop the ipod so I stopped doing that .
It was more convenient to have them separate.I think they are hurrying up , because the provider has long sold a little pencil eraser shaped fob , and I know people whom have made bracelets out of them .
A wee bit smaller and they could be mounted in a ring .
That would be quite convenient , since my had is usually near the door when I 'm opening the door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several companies already have solutions in the market, but they haven't caught on yet because the technology isn't quite ready yet and not quite cheap enough.
"isn't quite ready" ?
"not cheap enough" ?
You need to research that a little bit more.
For at least a decade I've never worked at a place without those electric door "key card" locks.
Every my kids daycare used them.
Both my jobs, my wifes job, daycare, all use the same type of card.The cards are about $4 and the little pencil-eraser keychain fobs cost a whopping $8.
Now this is from a reseller like smarthome.com.
Wholesale in bulk they are probably about half that.
Most businesses charge like $50 for a lost card, not because it costs $50 but to scare and intimidate the employees (some bosses love that) and also to make up for the labor cost of issuing another card.
They are cheap enough to put in a house, and I've been seriously considering it.I integrated mine with my ipod by purchasing a silicone stretchy case and placing the credit card sized doorcard behind the ipod in the stretchy.
It was actually quite inconvenient and I was worried I'd drop the ipod so I stopped doing that.
It was more convenient to have them separate.I think they are hurrying up, because the provider has long sold a little pencil eraser shaped fob, and I know people whom have made bracelets out of them.
A wee bit smaller and they could be mounted in a ring.
That would be quite convenient, since my had is usually near the door when I'm opening the door.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399758</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401830</id>
	<title>Yup, just what I need...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268070300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>all wireless security/universal-key-is-a-bad-idea comments aside, what happens when I have to run out to my car in the rain, pull out my electronic key, punch in the pin and while waving the bloody thing over the pad...ZAP!  The rain fries my idiotic iKey.</p><p>Dammit, I guess I'll just go back inside and call a locksmith.</p><p>Dammit!  I'm locked out of my house!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>all wireless security/universal-key-is-a-bad-idea comments aside , what happens when I have to run out to my car in the rain , pull out my electronic key , punch in the pin and while waving the bloody thing over the pad...ZAP !
The rain fries my idiotic iKey.Dammit , I guess I 'll just go back inside and call a locksmith.Dammit !
I 'm locked out of my house !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all wireless security/universal-key-is-a-bad-idea comments aside, what happens when I have to run out to my car in the rain, pull out my electronic key, punch in the pin and while waving the bloody thing over the pad...ZAP!
The rain fries my idiotic iKey.Dammit, I guess I'll just go back inside and call a locksmith.Dammit!
I'm locked out of my house!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31429214</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268250600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NCIS tue 09 mar 10, Denoso &amp; Proby use an I-phone  like device to open a GM SUV. I still believe GM is encoding the the key cut in the VIN number. This is accomplished by MECONing the On Star signal and using the VIN for the correct code? Possible, maybe if handhelds overlap the spectrum assigned to On Star/keyless to  crack the code. Of course there was a mention it was illeagle to do so without a warrant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NCIS tue 09 mar 10 , Denoso &amp; Proby use an I-phone like device to open a GM SUV .
I still believe GM is encoding the the key cut in the VIN number .
This is accomplished by MECONing the On Star signal and using the VIN for the correct code ?
Possible , maybe if handhelds overlap the spectrum assigned to On Star/keyless to crack the code .
Of course there was a mention it was illeagle to do so without a warrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NCIS tue 09 mar 10, Denoso &amp; Proby use an I-phone  like device to open a GM SUV.
I still believe GM is encoding the the key cut in the VIN number.
This is accomplished by MECONing the On Star signal and using the VIN for the correct code?
Possible, maybe if handhelds overlap the spectrum assigned to On Star/keyless to  crack the code.
Of course there was a mention it was illeagle to do so without a warrant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31421034</id>
	<title>Re:iThings</title>
	<author>Wyvern2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268138400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL Android has the Dildroid also...so NYAH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL Android has the Dildroid also...so NYAH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL Android has the Dildroid also...so NYAH!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400036</id>
	<title>What could possibly go wrong?</title>
	<author>Anonimouse</author>
	<datestamp>1268060100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. You can tuck a key under the doormat if you lose the ones in your pocket. Not so electronic gadget.
2. As somebody else mentioned - flat battery? lose access to all your property. Flat battery in the lock or power cut in the house? lose access.
3. Replacing locks just got a whole lot more expensive and no doubt all lock makers would have to have some kind of license agreement with Apple. In short, LAME.

This seems to be technology for technology's sake. I can see pretty much nothing but downsides to this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
You can tuck a key under the doormat if you lose the ones in your pocket .
Not so electronic gadget .
2. As somebody else mentioned - flat battery ?
lose access to all your property .
Flat battery in the lock or power cut in the house ?
lose access .
3. Replacing locks just got a whole lot more expensive and no doubt all lock makers would have to have some kind of license agreement with Apple .
In short , LAME .
This seems to be technology for technology 's sake .
I can see pretty much nothing but downsides to this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
You can tuck a key under the doormat if you lose the ones in your pocket.
Not so electronic gadget.
2. As somebody else mentioned - flat battery?
lose access to all your property.
Flat battery in the lock or power cut in the house?
lose access.
3. Replacing locks just got a whole lot more expensive and no doubt all lock makers would have to have some kind of license agreement with Apple.
In short, LAME.
This seems to be technology for technology's sake.
I can see pretty much nothing but downsides to this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400840</id>
	<title>Secure the iPhone first!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until they find a reliable means to secure the iPhone, I will never, ever allow it to do any sensitive functions -- much less unlock my damned car.  Forget it, Apple.  Get your priorities in line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until they find a reliable means to secure the iPhone , I will never , ever allow it to do any sensitive functions -- much less unlock my damned car .
Forget it , Apple .
Get your priorities in line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until they find a reliable means to secure the iPhone, I will never, ever allow it to do any sensitive functions -- much less unlock my damned car.
Forget it, Apple.
Get your priorities in line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402178</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1268071980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Wee need something to eliminate those genes from the pool.</p><p>But then there'd be no one in government or industry trying to screw us all the time. Ooooo, I like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Wee need something to eliminate those genes from the pool.But then there 'd be no one in government or industry trying to screw us all the time .
Ooooo , I like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Wee need something to eliminate those genes from the pool.But then there'd be no one in government or industry trying to screw us all the time.
Ooooo, I like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400270</id>
	<title>Re:Not an invitation to trouble at all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Steve Jobs is welcome to a key to my apartment. He already has the key to my heart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Jobs is welcome to a key to my apartment .
He already has the key to my heart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Jobs is welcome to a key to my apartment.
He already has the key to my heart.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402668</id>
	<title>Dear Apple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268074020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only app that would buy from you would be the iWishYouWouldFsckOff</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only app that would buy from you would be the iWishYouWouldFsckOff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only app that would buy from you would be the iWishYouWouldFsckOff</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400316</id>
	<title>Re:Not an invitation to trouble at all</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1268061960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd rather have people stealing my iPhone than stealing my eyeballs and fingertips to gain access. The phone is a lot easier to replace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather have people stealing my iPhone than stealing my eyeballs and fingertips to gain access .
The phone is a lot easier to replace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather have people stealing my iPhone than stealing my eyeballs and fingertips to gain access.
The phone is a lot easier to replace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399720</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400328</id>
	<title>Spare key?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So everyone in the house who currently has a key would need to own an iPhone, plus have a spare iPhone for when guests come to stay.</p><p>Well I can see why Apple like the idea...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So everyone in the house who currently has a key would need to own an iPhone , plus have a spare iPhone for when guests come to stay.Well I can see why Apple like the idea.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So everyone in the house who currently has a key would need to own an iPhone, plus have a spare iPhone for when guests come to stay.Well I can see why Apple like the idea...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31408136</id>
	<title>Wait, they were serious?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268054700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read this and totally thought it was a joke.  The worst thing about this technology is that if anyone implements it, I might actually have to buy an iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read this and totally thought it was a joke .
The worst thing about this technology is that if anyone implements it , I might actually have to buy an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read this and totally thought it was a joke.
The worst thing about this technology is that if anyone implements it, I might actually have to buy an iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400874</id>
	<title>Patents</title>
	<author>Omnifarious</author>
	<datestamp>1268065320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what their patents are on, but ever since the idea of a smartphone existed (5-10 years ago), I've thought this exact application was a perfect fit.  I didn't know the EM side of how to make it work, but I knew exactly how to make the cryptography work.  It seemed obvious to me.  I assumed the reason everybody wasn't already doing it was some nefarious profit motive on the part of credit card companies or banks in which they made money from how horribly insecure credit cards are.</p><p>OK, so a credit card isn't exactly a key (except in the movies) but the article itself points out that the exact same technology that would make an iPhone into an excellent key would also work to make an iPhone into a decent electronic wallet.  And I thought the same thing.  I just thought the wallet side of it was more important than a garage door opener.  Possibly because I don't drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what their patents are on , but ever since the idea of a smartphone existed ( 5-10 years ago ) , I 've thought this exact application was a perfect fit .
I did n't know the EM side of how to make it work , but I knew exactly how to make the cryptography work .
It seemed obvious to me .
I assumed the reason everybody was n't already doing it was some nefarious profit motive on the part of credit card companies or banks in which they made money from how horribly insecure credit cards are.OK , so a credit card is n't exactly a key ( except in the movies ) but the article itself points out that the exact same technology that would make an iPhone into an excellent key would also work to make an iPhone into a decent electronic wallet .
And I thought the same thing .
I just thought the wallet side of it was more important than a garage door opener .
Possibly because I do n't drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what their patents are on, but ever since the idea of a smartphone existed (5-10 years ago), I've thought this exact application was a perfect fit.
I didn't know the EM side of how to make it work, but I knew exactly how to make the cryptography work.
It seemed obvious to me.
I assumed the reason everybody wasn't already doing it was some nefarious profit motive on the part of credit card companies or banks in which they made money from how horribly insecure credit cards are.OK, so a credit card isn't exactly a key (except in the movies) but the article itself points out that the exact same technology that would make an iPhone into an excellent key would also work to make an iPhone into a decent electronic wallet.
And I thought the same thing.
I just thought the wallet side of it was more important than a garage door opener.
Possibly because I don't drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401530</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1268068680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>...the device that allows people to communicate over long or short distances without being able to see each other, and call it the telephone.</i> <br> <br>
I think you're talking about the iCans, which are connected by a length of white string.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the device that allows people to communicate over long or short distances without being able to see each other , and call it the telephone .
I think you 're talking about the iCans , which are connected by a length of white string .
: -D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the device that allows people to communicate over long or short distances without being able to see each other, and call it the telephone.
I think you're talking about the iCans, which are connected by a length of white string.
:-D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399972</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399824</id>
	<title>Re:iThings</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1268058780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When will they make iDildo?</p></div><p>They already have. <a href="http://www.ohmibod.com/overview.html" title="ohmibod.com">iDildo</a> [ohmibod.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When will they make iDildo ? They already have .
iDildo [ ohmibod.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will they make iDildo?They already have.
iDildo [ohmibod.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400960</id>
	<title>keygen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and the number of B and E's increase 200\%. Hackers rejoice.</p><p>It only takes one guy to crack the code to be able to break into this device and post his software online for millions to access.<br>imagine being able to download a keygen for peoples houses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the number of B and E 's increase 200 \ % .
Hackers rejoice.It only takes one guy to crack the code to be able to break into this device and post his software online for millions to access.imagine being able to download a keygen for peoples houses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the number of B and E's increase 200\%.
Hackers rejoice.It only takes one guy to crack the code to be able to break into this device and post his software online for millions to access.imagine being able to download a keygen for peoples houses.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31404002</id>
	<title>Re:Not an invitation to trouble at all</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1268080140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he'd prefer the key to your liver. Just in case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he 'd prefer the key to your liver .
Just in case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he'd prefer the key to your liver.
Just in case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400270</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400178</id>
	<title>Hmmm what would you do?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This concept including the name iKey and iLock and a description of this product were described a year and a half before Apple applied for the patent.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.jenom.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;cid=17" title="jenom.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jenom.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;cid=17</a> [jenom.com]
<br> <br>
"iKey and iLock, for lack of a more creative product name<br>
Give me a tiny device the size of a flash drive that I can encode with some unique ID like a segment of my DNA. When I get within 2 feet of my office, my car, my house, or whatever locked item it is, it reads the code from the device in my pocket and unlocks the electronic lock. No more carrying 200 keys around like some medieval jailer. 2007 is half over and we're still securing our possessions with medieval technology.
<br> <br>
"Apple credits Michael Rosenblatt, Gloria Lin, Sean Mayo and Taido Nakajima as the inventors of patent application 20100042954, originally filed in Q3 2008."
<br> <br>
Apple lies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This concept including the name iKey and iLock and a description of this product were described a year and a half before Apple applied for the patent .
http : //www.jenom.com/modules.php ? name = News&amp;file = article&amp;cid = 17 [ jenom.com ] " iKey and iLock , for lack of a more creative product name Give me a tiny device the size of a flash drive that I can encode with some unique ID like a segment of my DNA .
When I get within 2 feet of my office , my car , my house , or whatever locked item it is , it reads the code from the device in my pocket and unlocks the electronic lock .
No more carrying 200 keys around like some medieval jailer .
2007 is half over and we 're still securing our possessions with medieval technology .
" Apple credits Michael Rosenblatt , Gloria Lin , Sean Mayo and Taido Nakajima as the inventors of patent application 20100042954 , originally filed in Q3 2008 .
" Apple lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This concept including the name iKey and iLock and a description of this product were described a year and a half before Apple applied for the patent.
http://www.jenom.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;cid=17 [jenom.com]
 
"iKey and iLock, for lack of a more creative product name
Give me a tiny device the size of a flash drive that I can encode with some unique ID like a segment of my DNA.
When I get within 2 feet of my office, my car, my house, or whatever locked item it is, it reads the code from the device in my pocket and unlocks the electronic lock.
No more carrying 200 keys around like some medieval jailer.
2007 is half over and we're still securing our possessions with medieval technology.
"Apple credits Michael Rosenblatt, Gloria Lin, Sean Mayo and Taido Nakajima as the inventors of patent application 20100042954, originally filed in Q3 2008.
"
 
Apple lies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400164</id>
	<title>Re:Translation</title>
	<author>twistedsymphony</author>
	<datestamp>1268060880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've notice the most "Ground Breaking" "NEW" technologies in recent years aren't actually new, just someone to took some tech that was out there and actually applied it in a useful way. see: Google, Apple, Nintendo, et al.
<br> <br>
Honestly there's nothing wrong with that, technology is useless unless it's applied, and I'm sure there are still a lot of applications for existing tech that hasn't been explored yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've notice the most " Ground Breaking " " NEW " technologies in recent years are n't actually new , just someone to took some tech that was out there and actually applied it in a useful way .
see : Google , Apple , Nintendo , et al .
Honestly there 's nothing wrong with that , technology is useless unless it 's applied , and I 'm sure there are still a lot of applications for existing tech that has n't been explored yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've notice the most "Ground Breaking" "NEW" technologies in recent years aren't actually new, just someone to took some tech that was out there and actually applied it in a useful way.
see: Google, Apple, Nintendo, et al.
Honestly there's nothing wrong with that, technology is useless unless it's applied, and I'm sure there are still a lot of applications for existing tech that hasn't been explored yet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400790</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night, eating stupid people. Haven't been any for centuries.</p></div><p>You obviously don't live in New Jersey. They're even out in broad daylight, walking down the sidewalks. No joke.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night , eating stupid people .
Have n't been any for centuries.You obviously do n't live in New Jersey .
They 're even out in broad daylight , walking down the sidewalks .
No joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are no longer wild bears roaming the streets at night, eating stupid people.
Haven't been any for centuries.You obviously don't live in New Jersey.
They're even out in broad daylight, walking down the sidewalks.
No joke.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</id>
	<title>Two words</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1268058300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flat battery</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flat battery</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flat battery</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400242</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>mrrudge</author>
	<datestamp>1268061480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can we save some of the beautiful/physically gifted/creative/emotionally attuned/kind/brave - but not massively intelligent people too ? It's just that any kind of genetic cleansing would leave the gene pool diminished and weaker, and a human race consisting of just high IQ people would disappear up it's own backside quicker than you can say 'intelectual snob'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we save some of the beautiful/physically gifted/creative/emotionally attuned/kind/brave - but not massively intelligent people too ?
It 's just that any kind of genetic cleansing would leave the gene pool diminished and weaker , and a human race consisting of just high IQ people would disappear up it 's own backside quicker than you can say 'intelectual snob' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we save some of the beautiful/physically gifted/creative/emotionally attuned/kind/brave - but not massively intelligent people too ?
It's just that any kind of genetic cleansing would leave the gene pool diminished and weaker, and a human race consisting of just high IQ people would disappear up it's own backside quicker than you can say 'intelectual snob'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400064</id>
	<title>Hurray for progress</title>
	<author>Aradiel</author>
	<datestamp>1268060280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I greatly look forward to every car company, bank and lock manufacturer investing huge amounts of money into this.<br> <br>

I also greatly look forward to being mugged for my phone, and realising that not only do I need a new phone and phone number, but to replace the locks to my house, car and office, as well as re-registering with the bank.<br> <br>

I also await with great enthusiasm the moment that Apple sues every manufacturer of competing products, essentially taking over the entire planet's security.<br> <br>

Besides that, will I still be allowed to watch porn on my keys?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I greatly look forward to every car company , bank and lock manufacturer investing huge amounts of money into this .
I also greatly look forward to being mugged for my phone , and realising that not only do I need a new phone and phone number , but to replace the locks to my house , car and office , as well as re-registering with the bank .
I also await with great enthusiasm the moment that Apple sues every manufacturer of competing products , essentially taking over the entire planet 's security .
Besides that , will I still be allowed to watch porn on my keys ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I greatly look forward to every car company, bank and lock manufacturer investing huge amounts of money into this.
I also greatly look forward to being mugged for my phone, and realising that not only do I need a new phone and phone number, but to replace the locks to my house, car and office, as well as re-registering with the bank.
I also await with great enthusiasm the moment that Apple sues every manufacturer of competing products, essentially taking over the entire planet's security.
Besides that, will I still be allowed to watch porn on my keys?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400528</id>
	<title>Everyone scrambles?</title>
	<author>smith6174</author>
	<datestamp>1268063340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;&gt; would likely set the standard, and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly
<br> <br>
Since when do people scramble for a new standard?  Do you mean standards like 32 or 64-bit?  How about C++ strings?  When was the last time you received a dollar or half-dollar coin?  You think people are going to upgrade their cars and home to work with a cell phone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; would likely set the standard , and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly Since when do people scramble for a new standard ?
Do you mean standards like 32 or 64-bit ?
How about C + + strings ?
When was the last time you received a dollar or half-dollar coin ?
You think people are going to upgrade their cars and home to work with a cell phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; would likely set the standard, and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly
 
Since when do people scramble for a new standard?
Do you mean standards like 32 or 64-bit?
How about C++ strings?
When was the last time you received a dollar or half-dollar coin?
You think people are going to upgrade their cars and home to work with a cell phone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400188</id>
	<title>so basically</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1268061120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is an RFID chip then. With the added inconvenience of having to also enter a PIN number anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is an RFID chip then .
With the added inconvenience of having to also enter a PIN number anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is an RFID chip then.
With the added inconvenience of having to also enter a PIN number anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31403938</id>
	<title>Re:Two words</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1268079780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good point.  Maybe Apple would patent putting a charging cable at locks too, so if you charge your non-apple key at your front door you'll get sued.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good point .
Maybe Apple would patent putting a charging cable at locks too , so if you charge your non-apple key at your front door you 'll get sued .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good point.
Maybe Apple would patent putting a charging cable at locks too, so if you charge your non-apple key at your front door you'll get sued.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399740</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31410624</id>
	<title>"Computer says No"</title>
	<author>dogzdik</author>
	<datestamp>1268077320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>

This stuff can be really great;

-

Except when:

-

-

A. It gets hacked; and

-

-

B. The metaphorical "power goes out" or system crash / failure events occour.

-

-

No home. No Computer. No phone. No car.

-

-

And of course the only way access can be restored is by a phone call to the flooded call center, on a phone that doesn't work.

-

-

Me thinks: No Way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This stuff can be really great ; - Except when : - - A. It gets hacked ; and - - B. The metaphorical " power goes out " or system crash / failure events occour .
- - No home .
No Computer .
No phone .
No car .
- - And of course the only way access can be restored is by a phone call to the flooded call center , on a phone that does n't work .
- - Me thinks : No Way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

This stuff can be really great;

-

Except when:

-

-

A. It gets hacked; and

-

-

B. The metaphorical "power goes out" or system crash / failure events occour.
-

-

No home.
No Computer.
No phone.
No car.
-

-

And of course the only way access can be restored is by a phone call to the flooded call center, on a phone that doesn't work.
-

-

Me thinks: No Way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400730</id>
	<title>First they rip off Xerox PARC...</title>
	<author>markhb</author>
	<datestamp>1268064660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...now they're aping <a href="http://www.filmhobbit.com/television/Human-Target-Recap-Rewind-22413.html" title="filmhobbit.com"> <i>Human Target</i> </a> [filmhobbit.com]!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...now they 're aping Human Target [ filmhobbit.com ] !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...now they're aping  Human Target  [filmhobbit.com]!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400356</id>
	<title>Oh Great...</title>
	<author>Manhigh</author>
	<datestamp>1268062140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I need to remember another password to get into my house.  If anything I'd prefer to validate my online passwords with the combination of a physical key turn and a short pin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I need to remember another password to get into my house .
If anything I 'd prefer to validate my online passwords with the combination of a physical key turn and a short pin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I need to remember another password to get into my house.
If anything I'd prefer to validate my online passwords with the combination of a physical key turn and a short pin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402070</id>
	<title>It's not about the PIN, its about access.</title>
	<author>Battle\_Ratt</author>
	<datestamp>1268071500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With a physical key, you don't run out of batteries.  IPhones will not be attached to your key chain like the current remote open/start devices.
<br>
People will begin to regularly forget their keys if they rely on this, and all of the sudden, how much charge you have left on your phone could dictate your ability to gain access to your vehicle.
<br>
That, and just imagine trying to punch in a pin while being chased by Zombies.  Fumbling for keys was bad enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With a physical key , you do n't run out of batteries .
IPhones will not be attached to your key chain like the current remote open/start devices .
People will begin to regularly forget their keys if they rely on this , and all of the sudden , how much charge you have left on your phone could dictate your ability to gain access to your vehicle .
That , and just imagine trying to punch in a pin while being chased by Zombies .
Fumbling for keys was bad enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a physical key, you don't run out of batteries.
IPhones will not be attached to your key chain like the current remote open/start devices.
People will begin to regularly forget their keys if they rely on this, and all of the sudden, how much charge you have left on your phone could dictate your ability to gain access to your vehicle.
That, and just imagine trying to punch in a pin while being chased by Zombies.
Fumbling for keys was bad enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400754</id>
	<title>Re:Presumptions, presumptions</title>
	<author>EdZ</author>
	<datestamp>1268064780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't this already very common in Japan?</p> </div><p>Yep, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felica#Mobile\_FeliCa" title="wikipedia.org">Mobile FeliCa</a> [wikipedia.org] system is pretty widely used for paying for bus/train tickets, groceries, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this already very common in Japan ?
Yep , the Mobile FeliCa [ wikipedia.org ] system is pretty widely used for paying for bus/train tickets , groceries , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this already very common in Japan?
Yep, the Mobile FeliCa [wikipedia.org] system is pretty widely used for paying for bus/train tickets, groceries, etc.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31408104</id>
	<title>sweet...</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1268054520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now when I "find" your iphone, I not only can find out where you live, but I can use it to access your house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now when I " find " your iphone , I not only can find out where you live , but I can use it to access your house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now when I "find" your iphone, I not only can find out where you live, but I can use it to access your house.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400376</id>
	<title>Re:Depends...</title>
	<author>Jurily</author>
	<datestamp>1268062320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I for one don't consider it "bad" if stupid people get punished for using "0000" as their PIN.</p></div><p>Depends on how crappy the UI is to change it.</p><p>BTW, a key shouldn't have <i>any</i> parts a user can set.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one do n't consider it " bad " if stupid people get punished for using " 0000 " as their PIN.Depends on how crappy the UI is to change it.BTW , a key should n't have any parts a user can set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one don't consider it "bad" if stupid people get punished for using "0000" as their PIN.Depends on how crappy the UI is to change it.BTW, a key shouldn't have any parts a user can set.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400308</id>
	<title>I take the WIlliam Adama approach</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1268061900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some things should just *not* be networked or left to vulnerable to electronic signals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some things should just * not * be networked or left to vulnerable to electronic signals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some things should just *not* be networked or left to vulnerable to electronic signals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402048</id>
	<title>Possible trademark issues</title>
	<author>soupforare</author>
	<datestamp>1268071380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know Syncrosoft makes a software dongle product called iKey (steinberg user~).  I'm not sure how far reaching their mark is registered for, but I can't imagine legal sitting still with the potential for an out-of-court settlement from apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know Syncrosoft makes a software dongle product called iKey ( steinberg user ~ ) .
I 'm not sure how far reaching their mark is registered for , but I ca n't imagine legal sitting still with the potential for an out-of-court settlement from apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know Syncrosoft makes a software dongle product called iKey (steinberg user~).
I'm not sure how far reaching their mark is registered for, but I can't imagine legal sitting still with the potential for an out-of-court settlement from apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399690</id>
	<title>Translation</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1268057880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fourth generation of the iPhone is getting NFC/RFID capabilities, much like some other phones already have.</p><p>This isn't new. The only new thing they could possibly bring to the NFC table would be (gasp) actual security, given that RFID/NFC devices are notorious for being horribly insecure most of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fourth generation of the iPhone is getting NFC/RFID capabilities , much like some other phones already have.This is n't new .
The only new thing they could possibly bring to the NFC table would be ( gasp ) actual security , given that RFID/NFC devices are notorious for being horribly insecure most of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fourth generation of the iPhone is getting NFC/RFID capabilities, much like some other phones already have.This isn't new.
The only new thing they could possibly bring to the NFC table would be (gasp) actual security, given that RFID/NFC devices are notorious for being horribly insecure most of the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31405846</id>
	<title>Re:Priceless</title>
	<author>wing03</author>
	<datestamp>1268045100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Watching UHF and Stay Tuned back in the day made me ashamed of having watched so much TV and knowing where all the jokes came from.<br> <br>

The Mastercard commercial of listing off prices of things and then the overall effect as being priceless sums the iKey up succinctly.<br> <br>

Our pop culture does define us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Watching UHF and Stay Tuned back in the day made me ashamed of having watched so much TV and knowing where all the jokes came from .
The Mastercard commercial of listing off prices of things and then the overall effect as being priceless sums the iKey up succinctly .
Our pop culture does define us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watching UHF and Stay Tuned back in the day made me ashamed of having watched so much TV and knowing where all the jokes came from.
The Mastercard commercial of listing off prices of things and then the overall effect as being priceless sums the iKey up succinctly.
Our pop culture does define us.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402080</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31401358</id>
	<title>Comments on "Bump keys"</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1268067840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>These are just a variation of lock raking (Drag a piece of metal across all pins while applying pressure to the lower half of the lock). It just makes it easier.<br> <br>Still, I'd not heard of those before. Thanks for the insight! I'm glad I have a lever lock on my front door too...</htmltext>
<tokenext>These are just a variation of lock raking ( Drag a piece of metal across all pins while applying pressure to the lower half of the lock ) .
It just makes it easier .
Still , I 'd not heard of those before .
Thanks for the insight !
I 'm glad I have a lever lock on my front door too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These are just a variation of lock raking (Drag a piece of metal across all pins while applying pressure to the lower half of the lock).
It just makes it easier.
Still, I'd not heard of those before.
Thanks for the insight!
I'm glad I have a lever lock on my front door too...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31406770</id>
	<title>Re:Not an invitation to trouble at all</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1268047980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You spelled "pants" wrong...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You spelled " pants " wrong.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You spelled "pants" wrong...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400270</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399726</id>
	<title>Doesn't sound convincing yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds cumbersome. It's arguably more secure to require both an object and a pin but people are used to just having an object. Plus it seems like it's going to be more expensive to buy an extra iphone for a friend who's staying, compared to getting extra keys cut. Also, less space than a nomad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds cumbersome .
It 's arguably more secure to require both an object and a pin but people are used to just having an object .
Plus it seems like it 's going to be more expensive to buy an extra iphone for a friend who 's staying , compared to getting extra keys cut .
Also , less space than a nomad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds cumbersome.
It's arguably more secure to require both an object and a pin but people are used to just having an object.
Plus it seems like it's going to be more expensive to buy an extra iphone for a friend who's staying, compared to getting extra keys cut.
Also, less space than a nomad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402150</id>
	<title>*Almost* universal key</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1268071860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ironically, this universal key will never unlock an iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ironically , this universal key will never unlock an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ironically, this universal key will never unlock an iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399722</id>
	<title>Is it wise?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it wise to have a consumer Internet-enabled(which I presume it would be) device that can unlock physical security?  "Keylogger" has a whole new meaning.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it wise to have a consumer Internet-enabled ( which I presume it would be ) device that can unlock physical security ?
" Keylogger " has a whole new meaning .
: p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it wise to have a consumer Internet-enabled(which I presume it would be) device that can unlock physical security?
"Keylogger" has a whole new meaning.
:p</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399736</id>
	<title>Presumptions, presumptions</title>
	<author>Coopjust</author>
	<datestamp>1268058300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>.The trouble is that the technology hasn't gone completely mainstream. If Apple were to adopt the technology, they would likely set the standard, and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Isn't this already very common in Japan?
<br> <br>And what employer would want to tie an identification/access system to a highly attractive theft target?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.The trouble is that the technology has n't gone completely mainstream .
If Apple were to adopt the technology , they would likely set the standard , and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly .
Is n't this already very common in Japan ?
And what employer would want to tie an identification/access system to a highly attractive theft target ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.The trouble is that the technology hasn't gone completely mainstream.
If Apple were to adopt the technology, they would likely set the standard, and that would drive widespread adoption as everyone scrambles to make their systems iPhone-friendly.
Isn't this already very common in Japan?
And what employer would want to tie an identification/access system to a highly attractive theft target?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31399756</id>
	<title>Remember when phones were just phones?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine getting locked out of your car because you spent too much time waiting for AT&amp;T to download the latest Rickroll mashup on Youtube on your iPhone as you sit in Starbucks, only to have insufficient battery power to activate the slick wireless doorlocks.  Sure, you could use those quaint "key" devices, but that is far from trendy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine getting locked out of your car because you spent too much time waiting for AT&amp;T to download the latest Rickroll mashup on Youtube on your iPhone as you sit in Starbucks , only to have insufficient battery power to activate the slick wireless doorlocks .
Sure , you could use those quaint " key " devices , but that is far from trendy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine getting locked out of your car because you spent too much time waiting for AT&amp;T to download the latest Rickroll mashup on Youtube on your iPhone as you sit in Starbucks, only to have insufficient battery power to activate the slick wireless doorlocks.
Sure, you could use those quaint "key" devices, but that is far from trendy!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31402698</id>
	<title>Android did it</title>
	<author>dasdrewid</author>
	<datestamp>1268074200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something like the "Android controlled door opening Linux WiFi router" (via <a href="http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/02/android\_controlled\_door\_opening\_lin.html" title="makezine.com" rel="nofollow">Make</a> [makezine.com])</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something like the " Android controlled door opening Linux WiFi router " ( via Make [ makezine.com ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something like the "Android controlled door opening Linux WiFi router" (via Make [makezine.com])</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400390</id>
	<title>Priceless</title>
	<author>wing03</author>
	<datestamp>1268062380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Basic house door lock and key from Home Depot - ~$20<br>
Extra key cutting - ~$2<br> <br>
Watching your neighbour spending hundreds or more than a thousand to outfit their home with an iLock and having their iPhone run out of juice or fumbling and dropping/breaking it before they could unlock the front door.... <b>Priceless.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basic house door lock and key from Home Depot - ~ $ 20 Extra key cutting - ~ $ 2 Watching your neighbour spending hundreds or more than a thousand to outfit their home with an iLock and having their iPhone run out of juice or fumbling and dropping/breaking it before they could unlock the front door.... Priceless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basic house door lock and key from Home Depot - ~$20
Extra key cutting - ~$2 
Watching your neighbour spending hundreds or more than a thousand to outfit their home with an iLock and having their iPhone run out of juice or fumbling and dropping/breaking it before they could unlock the front door.... Priceless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_08_0053237.31400348</id>
	<title>Already been done</title>
	<author>mconners</author>
	<datestamp>1268062140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doctor Who, sonic screwdriver.

<a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8cff/" title="thinkgeek.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8cff/</a> [thinkgeek.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doctor Who , sonic screwdriver .
http : //www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8cff/ [ thinkgeek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doctor Who, sonic screwdriver.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/8cff/ [thinkgeek.com]</sentencetext>
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