<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_07_2110251</id>
	<title>Correcting Poor Typing Technique?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267956060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"When beginning to use keyboards I did not pay much attention to touch typing technique. Instead, I eventually achieved decent rates by simply doing what felt natural to me. These days my qwerty typing speed is in the range of 90-110 WPM, probably more toward the lower end. While this isn't too shabby, I feel some awkwardness in my technique (such as not using my little and ring fingers when I really should). Has anyone been in a similar situation, wanted to fix it, and actually done so? What do you reckon is the best way to fix half-broken typing? Touch training sessions? Should I switch to Dvorak and pretty much learn typing from scratch, but properly this time?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " When beginning to use keyboards I did not pay much attention to touch typing technique .
Instead , I eventually achieved decent rates by simply doing what felt natural to me .
These days my qwerty typing speed is in the range of 90-110 WPM , probably more toward the lower end .
While this is n't too shabby , I feel some awkwardness in my technique ( such as not using my little and ring fingers when I really should ) .
Has anyone been in a similar situation , wanted to fix it , and actually done so ?
What do you reckon is the best way to fix half-broken typing ?
Touch training sessions ?
Should I switch to Dvorak and pretty much learn typing from scratch , but properly this time ?
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "When beginning to use keyboards I did not pay much attention to touch typing technique.
Instead, I eventually achieved decent rates by simply doing what felt natural to me.
These days my qwerty typing speed is in the range of 90-110 WPM, probably more toward the lower end.
While this isn't too shabby, I feel some awkwardness in my technique (such as not using my little and ring fingers when I really should).
Has anyone been in a similar situation, wanted to fix it, and actually done so?
What do you reckon is the best way to fix half-broken typing?
Touch training sessions?
Should I switch to Dvorak and pretty much learn typing from scratch, but properly this time?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398770</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>zsau</author>
	<datestamp>1268046240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>No. Even if you gain speed on your keyboard, the ability not to suck on other people's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.</i></p><p>Never ever switch to Dvorak because you think it'll make you faster. If it does, it's only because you have poor technique; as another reader comments, your typing speed is more determined by the time it takes you to create the content, than how long it takes you to output it.</p><p>Switch to Dvorak to get a much more comfortable typing experience. Trust me on this: Switching from Qwerty to Dvorak probably isn't something you notice as being particularly more comfortable (it always feels "like typing"), but once you're fluent in Dvorak and using it 90\% of the time, you really do notice borrowing a Qwerty keyboard.</p><p>Notice that I do use Qwerty (and now, Qwertz) keyboards often. I can't properly touchtype with them&mdash;I need to keep half an eye on the keys&mdash;but I have the same style of technique as when typing, meaning my hands are mostly covering most of the keyboard/kezboard. After I've convinced myself I'm using qwerty/qwertz, which usually takes about two words, a sentence at most, I'm fine. This took some time to develop, my hint is not to be too phased about using the crutch of half an eye. Just don't try reading the keys you can't see, you'll just make something bad even worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Even if you gain speed on your keyboard , the ability not to suck on other people 's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.Never ever switch to Dvorak because you think it 'll make you faster .
If it does , it 's only because you have poor technique ; as another reader comments , your typing speed is more determined by the time it takes you to create the content , than how long it takes you to output it.Switch to Dvorak to get a much more comfortable typing experience .
Trust me on this : Switching from Qwerty to Dvorak probably is n't something you notice as being particularly more comfortable ( it always feels " like typing " ) , but once you 're fluent in Dvorak and using it 90 \ % of the time , you really do notice borrowing a Qwerty keyboard.Notice that I do use Qwerty ( and now , Qwertz ) keyboards often .
I ca n't properly touchtype with them    I need to keep half an eye on the keys    but I have the same style of technique as when typing , meaning my hands are mostly covering most of the keyboard/kezboard .
After I 've convinced myself I 'm using qwerty/qwertz , which usually takes about two words , a sentence at most , I 'm fine .
This took some time to develop , my hint is not to be too phased about using the crutch of half an eye .
Just do n't try reading the keys you ca n't see , you 'll just make something bad even worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Even if you gain speed on your keyboard, the ability not to suck on other people's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.Never ever switch to Dvorak because you think it'll make you faster.
If it does, it's only because you have poor technique; as another reader comments, your typing speed is more determined by the time it takes you to create the content, than how long it takes you to output it.Switch to Dvorak to get a much more comfortable typing experience.
Trust me on this: Switching from Qwerty to Dvorak probably isn't something you notice as being particularly more comfortable (it always feels "like typing"), but once you're fluent in Dvorak and using it 90\% of the time, you really do notice borrowing a Qwerty keyboard.Notice that I do use Qwerty (and now, Qwertz) keyboards often.
I can't properly touchtype with them—I need to keep half an eye on the keys—but I have the same style of technique as when typing, meaning my hands are mostly covering most of the keyboard/kezboard.
After I've convinced myself I'm using qwerty/qwertz, which usually takes about two words, a sentence at most, I'm fine.
This took some time to develop, my hint is not to be too phased about using the crutch of half an eye.
Just don't try reading the keys you can't see, you'll just make something bad even worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397826</id>
	<title>watch your fingers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267989420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typing is so common these days that I don't believe 'proper' technique is a selling point.  Speed and accuracy are the important parts.</p><p>A few years ago I managed to badly slice the tip of my right index finger.  After about a week I was typing near my regular speed (60-80 wpm) with my index finger up in the air, my right middle finger taking over the upper keys and my left index taking over the lower keys.  After my finger healed, I had a hard time adjusting to using it again. It was the weirdest sensation - it was hard to do at first, but both ways felt natural after a short period of adjustment.</p><p>One thing I've never been able to do is use my right thumb to hit the space bar.  I have to stop and think 'right thumb' and by then my left thumb has already hit it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typing is so common these days that I do n't believe 'proper ' technique is a selling point .
Speed and accuracy are the important parts.A few years ago I managed to badly slice the tip of my right index finger .
After about a week I was typing near my regular speed ( 60-80 wpm ) with my index finger up in the air , my right middle finger taking over the upper keys and my left index taking over the lower keys .
After my finger healed , I had a hard time adjusting to using it again .
It was the weirdest sensation - it was hard to do at first , but both ways felt natural after a short period of adjustment.One thing I 've never been able to do is use my right thumb to hit the space bar .
I have to stop and think 'right thumb ' and by then my left thumb has already hit it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typing is so common these days that I don't believe 'proper' technique is a selling point.
Speed and accuracy are the important parts.A few years ago I managed to badly slice the tip of my right index finger.
After about a week I was typing near my regular speed (60-80 wpm) with my index finger up in the air, my right middle finger taking over the upper keys and my left index taking over the lower keys.
After my finger healed, I had a hard time adjusting to using it again.
It was the weirdest sensation - it was hard to do at first, but both ways felt natural after a short period of adjustment.One thing I've never been able to do is use my right thumb to hit the space bar.
I have to stop and think 'right thumb' and by then my left thumb has already hit it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397212</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267981620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think ctrl+p for print is one keyboard shortcut that consistently is more used than the GUI equivalent wherever it's supported.</p><p>I suspect cut/copy/paste are too, but I'm less sure (they might use context menus).  I've seen data on print, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think ctrl + p for print is one keyboard shortcut that consistently is more used than the GUI equivalent wherever it 's supported.I suspect cut/copy/paste are too , but I 'm less sure ( they might use context menus ) .
I 've seen data on print , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think ctrl+p for print is one keyboard shortcut that consistently is more used than the GUI equivalent wherever it's supported.I suspect cut/copy/paste are too, but I'm less sure (they might use context menus).
I've seen data on print, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31403324</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak is a great mind exercise. Nothing more.</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1268077080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it really bothers you that much, why don't you find the bumps with your middle finger, and then move your hands over?  Or you can do what I do, put my hands in typing position (so all fingers are equal length, that is equal length from the keyboard) randomly on the keyboard and then move them around until I find the right place.  Most of the time typing your fingers all are the same distance from the keyboard anyway, you should probably be used to that by now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it really bothers you that much , why do n't you find the bumps with your middle finger , and then move your hands over ?
Or you can do what I do , put my hands in typing position ( so all fingers are equal length , that is equal length from the keyboard ) randomly on the keyboard and then move them around until I find the right place .
Most of the time typing your fingers all are the same distance from the keyboard anyway , you should probably be used to that by now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it really bothers you that much, why don't you find the bumps with your middle finger, and then move your hands over?
Or you can do what I do, put my hands in typing position (so all fingers are equal length, that is equal length from the keyboard) randomly on the keyboard and then move them around until I find the right place.
Most of the time typing your fingers all are the same distance from the keyboard anyway, you should probably be used to that by now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395806</id>
	<title>Dvorak is a great mind exercise.  Nothing more.</title>
	<author>pizzach</author>
	<datestamp>1267970820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't switch unless you feel interested in learning different and want to try to keep you brain fresh.  There is no other reason to go though the aggravation.</p><p>Now personally, I find my biggest pet peeve is how the bumps on a PC keyboards are not on the D and K keys like they were on my Mac.  When I am typing in a dark room, I want to search for the home row with my <i>longest</i> fingers.  It causes horrible wrist strain trying to search with your pointer fingers for F and J.  It boggles my mind who come up with that.  It definitely wasn't a touch typist.</p><p>And then of course there is the minor problem with how laptop keyboards have absolutely no spacing for sections of the keyboard...  Oh the woe of being a midnight typist!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't switch unless you feel interested in learning different and want to try to keep you brain fresh .
There is no other reason to go though the aggravation.Now personally , I find my biggest pet peeve is how the bumps on a PC keyboards are not on the D and K keys like they were on my Mac .
When I am typing in a dark room , I want to search for the home row with my longest fingers .
It causes horrible wrist strain trying to search with your pointer fingers for F and J. It boggles my mind who come up with that .
It definitely was n't a touch typist.And then of course there is the minor problem with how laptop keyboards have absolutely no spacing for sections of the keyboard... Oh the woe of being a midnight typist !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't switch unless you feel interested in learning different and want to try to keep you brain fresh.
There is no other reason to go though the aggravation.Now personally, I find my biggest pet peeve is how the bumps on a PC keyboards are not on the D and K keys like they were on my Mac.
When I am typing in a dark room, I want to search for the home row with my longest fingers.
It causes horrible wrist strain trying to search with your pointer fingers for F and J.  It boggles my mind who come up with that.
It definitely wasn't a touch typist.And then of course there is the minor problem with how laptop keyboards have absolutely no spacing for sections of the keyboard...  Oh the woe of being a midnight typist!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395296</id>
	<title>If it works for you don't sweat it!</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1267967460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never learned to touch-type properly either; I've been typing my way for over 30 years now. My speed and accuracy are both reasonably good in spite of my not typing the "right" way. I'll continue to type this way until I can't type any more, or until they invent a neural implant which renders typing obsolete.</p><p>Oh, and one more thing... if that neural implant <i>doesn't</i> materialize before I kick the bucket, they'll pry my buckling spring (Unicomp Model M clone) keyboard out of my cold dead hands...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never learned to touch-type properly either ; I 've been typing my way for over 30 years now .
My speed and accuracy are both reasonably good in spite of my not typing the " right " way .
I 'll continue to type this way until I ca n't type any more , or until they invent a neural implant which renders typing obsolete.Oh , and one more thing... if that neural implant does n't materialize before I kick the bucket , they 'll pry my buckling spring ( Unicomp Model M clone ) keyboard out of my cold dead hands.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never learned to touch-type properly either; I've been typing my way for over 30 years now.
My speed and accuracy are both reasonably good in spite of my not typing the "right" way.
I'll continue to type this way until I can't type any more, or until they invent a neural implant which renders typing obsolete.Oh, and one more thing... if that neural implant doesn't materialize before I kick the bucket, they'll pry my buckling spring (Unicomp Model M clone) keyboard out of my cold dead hands...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31404096</id>
	<title>Don't switch to Dvorak.</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1268080680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I attempted and actually succeeded at this some years ago.</p><p>I was a fast 100+ WPM typist on QWERTY keyboards and, after typing on QWERTY boards for 22 years (started in 7th grade, 1974), I learned to type on a Dvorak board. It was difficult, but finally learned it, could touch type almost as fast as I could on a QWERTY board.</p><p>However, that experiment pretty much ended there. Sure, I could use my Dvorak board on my own computer, but refused to lug it to work (or anywhere) where I might need to use a computer that, of course, only had QWERTY boards.</p><p>Unfortunately, it's a QWERTY world, and trying to maintain knowing two keyboard layouts by touch, was difficult. Not un-doable, but hard to keep separate when burning up the keyboard typing stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I attempted and actually succeeded at this some years ago.I was a fast 100 + WPM typist on QWERTY keyboards and , after typing on QWERTY boards for 22 years ( started in 7th grade , 1974 ) , I learned to type on a Dvorak board .
It was difficult , but finally learned it , could touch type almost as fast as I could on a QWERTY board.However , that experiment pretty much ended there .
Sure , I could use my Dvorak board on my own computer , but refused to lug it to work ( or anywhere ) where I might need to use a computer that , of course , only had QWERTY boards.Unfortunately , it 's a QWERTY world , and trying to maintain knowing two keyboard layouts by touch , was difficult .
Not un-doable , but hard to keep separate when burning up the keyboard typing stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I attempted and actually succeeded at this some years ago.I was a fast 100+ WPM typist on QWERTY keyboards and, after typing on QWERTY boards for 22 years (started in 7th grade, 1974), I learned to type on a Dvorak board.
It was difficult, but finally learned it, could touch type almost as fast as I could on a QWERTY board.However, that experiment pretty much ended there.
Sure, I could use my Dvorak board on my own computer, but refused to lug it to work (or anywhere) where I might need to use a computer that, of course, only had QWERTY boards.Unfortunately, it's a QWERTY world, and trying to maintain knowing two keyboard layouts by touch, was difficult.
Not un-doable, but hard to keep separate when burning up the keyboard typing stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396726</id>
	<title>You need drills</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1267977240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A book (or software program) that covers proper finger positioning and drills you in them is the only you'll learn to properly touch type.  I learned from <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Touch-Typing-Simple-Lillian-Marks/dp/0385194269" title="amazon.com">this book</a> [amazon.com] on a manual typewriter when I was a teenager and never regretted it.  You may not want this specific book--it talks more about running an actual typewriter, a machine you'll likely never use, than you'll ever want to know--but something along those lines is what you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A book ( or software program ) that covers proper finger positioning and drills you in them is the only you 'll learn to properly touch type .
I learned from this book [ amazon.com ] on a manual typewriter when I was a teenager and never regretted it .
You may not want this specific book--it talks more about running an actual typewriter , a machine you 'll likely never use , than you 'll ever want to know--but something along those lines is what you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A book (or software program) that covers proper finger positioning and drills you in them is the only you'll learn to properly touch type.
I learned from this book [amazon.com] on a manual typewriter when I was a teenager and never regretted it.
You may not want this specific book--it talks more about running an actual typewriter, a machine you'll likely never use, than you'll ever want to know--but something along those lines is what you want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395326</id>
	<title>Game</title>
	<author>happymark</author>
	<datestamp>1267967760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Typing of the Dead" is a pretty good game and tutorial.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Typing of the Dead " is a pretty good game and tutorial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Typing of the Dead" is a pretty good game and tutorial.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394414</id>
	<title>-1, uncomfortable truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether Dvorak is superior in terms of speed or number of errors may be a toss-up, but as someone who first did hunt-and-peck, then learned to touch-type QWERTY, then relearned to touch-type Dvorak, my experience is that Dvorak is definitely more comfortable than QWERTY.</p><p>Besides, feelings of smug superiority can't be properly quantified in those studies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether Dvorak is superior in terms of speed or number of errors may be a toss-up , but as someone who first did hunt-and-peck , then learned to touch-type QWERTY , then relearned to touch-type Dvorak , my experience is that Dvorak is definitely more comfortable than QWERTY.Besides , feelings of smug superiority ca n't be properly quantified in those studies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether Dvorak is superior in terms of speed or number of errors may be a toss-up, but as someone who first did hunt-and-peck, then learned to touch-type QWERTY, then relearned to touch-type Dvorak, my experience is that Dvorak is definitely more comfortable than QWERTY.Besides, feelings of smug superiority can't be properly quantified in those studies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394426</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>saisuman</author>
	<datestamp>1267960980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you switch to Dvorak, another thing to consider is using VIM/Emacs keyboard shortcuts. Granted, these are customizable, but apparently my brain thinks of shortcuts as "this sequence to save and quit", and not ":wq". So when you move to Dvorak, you start hitting the QWERTY locations of ":wq", and not the Dvorak locations of ":", "w", and "q". Oh, and I'm yet to see someone in the 110wpm range get a speed increase from moving to Dvorak.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you switch to Dvorak , another thing to consider is using VIM/Emacs keyboard shortcuts .
Granted , these are customizable , but apparently my brain thinks of shortcuts as " this sequence to save and quit " , and not " : wq " .
So when you move to Dvorak , you start hitting the QWERTY locations of " : wq " , and not the Dvorak locations of " : " , " w " , and " q " .
Oh , and I 'm yet to see someone in the 110wpm range get a speed increase from moving to Dvorak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you switch to Dvorak, another thing to consider is using VIM/Emacs keyboard shortcuts.
Granted, these are customizable, but apparently my brain thinks of shortcuts as "this sequence to save and quit", and not ":wq".
So when you move to Dvorak, you start hitting the QWERTY locations of ":wq", and not the Dvorak locations of ":", "w", and "q".
Oh, and I'm yet to see someone in the 110wpm range get a speed increase from moving to Dvorak.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398066</id>
	<title>Re:Use a qwerty touch typing program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268079300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say that after playing Typing Of The Dead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typing\_of\_the\_Dead <br>My friends who type 100wpm can't beat it on hard, and have trouble with normal mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say that after playing Typing Of The Dead .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typing \ _of \ _the \ _Dead My friends who type 100wpm ca n't beat it on hard , and have trouble with normal mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say that after playing Typing Of The Dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typing\_of\_the\_Dead My friends who type 100wpm can't beat it on hard, and have trouble with normal mode.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395066</id>
	<title>Re:If you're doing almost two words a second...</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1267965600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was taught "correct" typing (back in 1972, it was a required class in my high school), and if I think about it, or really need to touch-type, I can still do it, with no special effort. But most of the time now I type with two fingers per hand and a thumb, and achieve about the same top speed (in the 100wpm range) -- PROVIDED the keyboard cooperates.</p><p>I've found that for myself, the most important factor isn't where my hands are or which fingers I use, but rather, having a keyboard with a very light, silent touch that takes no physical effort. The more effort it takes, the slower I go and the more mistakes I make -- and the more my hands tend to bounce away from the keys and wind up all over the place.</p><p>Conversely, I find that a keyboard with a very light touch encourages "proper" technique, because it's not nearly as much work for the weaker fingers.</p><p>In fact, I strongly suspect that keyboards with stiffer keys are what caused me to wind up doing the two-finger thing in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was taught " correct " typing ( back in 1972 , it was a required class in my high school ) , and if I think about it , or really need to touch-type , I can still do it , with no special effort .
But most of the time now I type with two fingers per hand and a thumb , and achieve about the same top speed ( in the 100wpm range ) -- PROVIDED the keyboard cooperates.I 've found that for myself , the most important factor is n't where my hands are or which fingers I use , but rather , having a keyboard with a very light , silent touch that takes no physical effort .
The more effort it takes , the slower I go and the more mistakes I make -- and the more my hands tend to bounce away from the keys and wind up all over the place.Conversely , I find that a keyboard with a very light touch encourages " proper " technique , because it 's not nearly as much work for the weaker fingers.In fact , I strongly suspect that keyboards with stiffer keys are what caused me to wind up doing the two-finger thing in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was taught "correct" typing (back in 1972, it was a required class in my high school), and if I think about it, or really need to touch-type, I can still do it, with no special effort.
But most of the time now I type with two fingers per hand and a thumb, and achieve about the same top speed (in the 100wpm range) -- PROVIDED the keyboard cooperates.I've found that for myself, the most important factor isn't where my hands are or which fingers I use, but rather, having a keyboard with a very light, silent touch that takes no physical effort.
The more effort it takes, the slower I go and the more mistakes I make -- and the more my hands tend to bounce away from the keys and wind up all over the place.Conversely, I find that a keyboard with a very light touch encourages "proper" technique, because it's not nearly as much work for the weaker fingers.In fact, I strongly suspect that keyboards with stiffer keys are what caused me to wind up doing the two-finger thing in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394472</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396440</id>
	<title>Just touch type</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1267975080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, that after many years in the industry I realized a few years ago, that I was doing what you just explained. I was convinced, that the technique was a lot better for working on a terminal (e.g. Unix admin tasks), but as I was coding more and more, typing more and more letters I realized the 6 finger typing was not efficient anymore.</p><p>I have to admit (and it is hard), that the last push was a colleague who was barely out of school, who typed violently fast while talking to people, looking at them.</p><p>So what did I do? I simply started forcing myself to touch type, and literally in a week I was using all my fingers as I should have before.</p><p>If you are pretty fast with your technique, you know where the keys are, now you just have to map it to the right finger and it will work just fine.</p><p>Well, I hope it helps<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>BTW I am actually not a fast or good typist, so I try to write short and effective code I never have to touch again<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.yeah right</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , that after many years in the industry I realized a few years ago , that I was doing what you just explained .
I was convinced , that the technique was a lot better for working on a terminal ( e.g .
Unix admin tasks ) , but as I was coding more and more , typing more and more letters I realized the 6 finger typing was not efficient anymore.I have to admit ( and it is hard ) , that the last push was a colleague who was barely out of school , who typed violently fast while talking to people , looking at them.So what did I do ?
I simply started forcing myself to touch type , and literally in a week I was using all my fingers as I should have before.If you are pretty fast with your technique , you know where the keys are , now you just have to map it to the right finger and it will work just fine.Well , I hope it helps ....BTW I am actually not a fast or good typist , so I try to write short and effective code I never have to touch again ... .yeah right</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, that after many years in the industry I realized a few years ago, that I was doing what you just explained.
I was convinced, that the technique was a lot better for working on a terminal (e.g.
Unix admin tasks), but as I was coding more and more, typing more and more letters I realized the 6 finger typing was not efficient anymore.I have to admit (and it is hard), that the last push was a colleague who was barely out of school, who typed violently fast while talking to people, looking at them.So what did I do?
I simply started forcing myself to touch type, and literally in a week I was using all my fingers as I should have before.If you are pretty fast with your technique, you know where the keys are, now you just have to map it to the right finger and it will work just fine.Well, I hope it helps ....BTW I am actually not a fast or good typist, so I try to write short and effective code I never have to touch again ... .yeah right</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396636</id>
	<title>WPM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267976640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this where we post how we can type a billion WPM with no training whatsoever?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this where we post how we can type a billion WPM with no training whatsoever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this where we post how we can type a billion WPM with no training whatsoever?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394276</id>
	<title>Switched to Dvorak</title>
	<author>SJrX</author>
	<datestamp>1267960260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I switched to Dvorak because of wrist pain about 6 or 7 years ago. I too was a touch typist, and didn't use homerow at all, etc... With Dvorak though I did it properly and now use homerow on Dvorak. It wasn't an easy switch, I wasn't working or in school at the time, so it was easy for me to afford the slowdown it took and used an old version of Mavis Beacon to do it. You need some time to use only Dvorak before you go back and forth between the layouts. Before I switched to Dvorak I was at about 90 WPM and it took me about a month to get up to 60 WPM in Dvorak. Later I got the same speed but never ever went past my QWERTY speed. I can still type QWERTY at a fast speed, but it's hard because sometimes the brain switches.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I switched to Dvorak because of wrist pain about 6 or 7 years ago .
I too was a touch typist , and did n't use homerow at all , etc... With Dvorak though I did it properly and now use homerow on Dvorak .
It was n't an easy switch , I was n't working or in school at the time , so it was easy for me to afford the slowdown it took and used an old version of Mavis Beacon to do it .
You need some time to use only Dvorak before you go back and forth between the layouts .
Before I switched to Dvorak I was at about 90 WPM and it took me about a month to get up to 60 WPM in Dvorak .
Later I got the same speed but never ever went past my QWERTY speed .
I can still type QWERTY at a fast speed , but it 's hard because sometimes the brain switches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I switched to Dvorak because of wrist pain about 6 or 7 years ago.
I too was a touch typist, and didn't use homerow at all, etc... With Dvorak though I did it properly and now use homerow on Dvorak.
It wasn't an easy switch, I wasn't working or in school at the time, so it was easy for me to afford the slowdown it took and used an old version of Mavis Beacon to do it.
You need some time to use only Dvorak before you go back and forth between the layouts.
Before I switched to Dvorak I was at about 90 WPM and it took me about a month to get up to 60 WPM in Dvorak.
Later I got the same speed but never ever went past my QWERTY speed.
I can still type QWERTY at a fast speed, but it's hard because sometimes the brain switches.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394262</id>
	<title>Function keys</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1267960200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Running firefox under gnome there are many key combinations which do bizarre things like minimising the window, opening bookmarks, etc. If I don't get every keystroke right typing a comment on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is nearly impossible.</p><p>There is one which I get sometimes at work where I run FVWM. It maximises firefox so it fills the screen, removes window decorations and raises it above all other applications. It happens at least once a weak from wild typing. As a result I am slowly improving my typing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Running firefox under gnome there are many key combinations which do bizarre things like minimising the window , opening bookmarks , etc .
If I do n't get every keystroke right typing a comment on / .
is nearly impossible.There is one which I get sometimes at work where I run FVWM .
It maximises firefox so it fills the screen , removes window decorations and raises it above all other applications .
It happens at least once a weak from wild typing .
As a result I am slowly improving my typing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Running firefox under gnome there are many key combinations which do bizarre things like minimising the window, opening bookmarks, etc.
If I don't get every keystroke right typing a comment on /.
is nearly impossible.There is one which I get sometimes at work where I run FVWM.
It maximises firefox so it fills the screen, removes window decorations and raises it above all other applications.
It happens at least once a weak from wild typing.
As a result I am slowly improving my typing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397520</id>
	<title>Buy a Kinesis (or similar) keyboard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267985340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am specifically talking about the contoured version. It kind of forces you to start using all your fingers. There is a slight learning curve but you sound like you typed like I used to. Once I changed to one of these I not only learned to type using my full hand, but I probably increased my speed by about 50\%.</p><p>Besides being faster, you also get less strain on your arms/wrists. This is really a huge thing for me since I program all day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am specifically talking about the contoured version .
It kind of forces you to start using all your fingers .
There is a slight learning curve but you sound like you typed like I used to .
Once I changed to one of these I not only learned to type using my full hand , but I probably increased my speed by about 50 \ % .Besides being faster , you also get less strain on your arms/wrists .
This is really a huge thing for me since I program all day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am specifically talking about the contoured version.
It kind of forces you to start using all your fingers.
There is a slight learning curve but you sound like you typed like I used to.
Once I changed to one of these I not only learned to type using my full hand, but I probably increased my speed by about 50\%.Besides being faster, you also get less strain on your arms/wrists.
This is really a huge thing for me since I program all day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397254</id>
	<title>For what it's worth</title>
	<author>paiute</author>
	<datestamp>1267981980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I got my first computer, I realized that I needed to learn to type. I put my fingers on the home keys and made myself use all of them approximately where they should go. After a while, I was typing 35-45 wpm with minimal errors. Good enough to get through the 106,000 word novel referenced in my sig. It helps to be able to type about as fast as you can compose coherent prose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I got my first computer , I realized that I needed to learn to type .
I put my fingers on the home keys and made myself use all of them approximately where they should go .
After a while , I was typing 35-45 wpm with minimal errors .
Good enough to get through the 106,000 word novel referenced in my sig .
It helps to be able to type about as fast as you can compose coherent prose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I got my first computer, I realized that I needed to learn to type.
I put my fingers on the home keys and made myself use all of them approximately where they should go.
After a while, I was typing 35-45 wpm with minimal errors.
Good enough to get through the 106,000 word novel referenced in my sig.
It helps to be able to type about as fast as you can compose coherent prose.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394272</id>
	<title>Don't do it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I type fast and am accurate. I look crazy when I type  in my strange pecking way but it works and it takes the stress off my wrists that 'correct' typing would cause. Stick to what you're doing and screw what other people think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I type fast and am accurate .
I look crazy when I type in my strange pecking way but it works and it takes the stress off my wrists that 'correct ' typing would cause .
Stick to what you 're doing and screw what other people think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I type fast and am accurate.
I look crazy when I type  in my strange pecking way but it works and it takes the stress off my wrists that 'correct' typing would cause.
Stick to what you're doing and screw what other people think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398858</id>
	<title>@ typing speed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268047140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a self taught typist and I don't really follow the conventional typing styles taught in school. We never had typing classes, and my max. speed is 122 wpm which I was able to achieve just twice, while my average is about 95-110 WPM. Someone here was saying they type at 150 wpm, that's a load of bullshit. 150 wpm is the world record. Secondly if the original poster can type at ~100 wpm I fail to see the need to try go faster because the whole point is most of the time you're not going to hit that upper limit unless you are a data enty operator. Anything &gt;= 80 WPM is more than enough even if you're a programmer/geek/whatever-computer related. Also the keyboard you type in makes a huge difference, I'm almost always slower on the "soft" and laptop keyboards than on the "harder" clickty-clack proper keyboards. They say one gets better with practice but I don't know, I've been trying hard to get past 122wpm and it seems very difficult unless maybe I use the same typing content perhaps which is kind of cheating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a self taught typist and I do n't really follow the conventional typing styles taught in school .
We never had typing classes , and my max .
speed is 122 wpm which I was able to achieve just twice , while my average is about 95-110 WPM .
Someone here was saying they type at 150 wpm , that 's a load of bullshit .
150 wpm is the world record .
Secondly if the original poster can type at ~ 100 wpm I fail to see the need to try go faster because the whole point is most of the time you 're not going to hit that upper limit unless you are a data enty operator .
Anything &gt; = 80 WPM is more than enough even if you 're a programmer/geek/whatever-computer related .
Also the keyboard you type in makes a huge difference , I 'm almost always slower on the " soft " and laptop keyboards than on the " harder " clickty-clack proper keyboards .
They say one gets better with practice but I do n't know , I 've been trying hard to get past 122wpm and it seems very difficult unless maybe I use the same typing content perhaps which is kind of cheating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a self taught typist and I don't really follow the conventional typing styles taught in school.
We never had typing classes, and my max.
speed is 122 wpm which I was able to achieve just twice, while my average is about 95-110 WPM.
Someone here was saying they type at 150 wpm, that's a load of bullshit.
150 wpm is the world record.
Secondly if the original poster can type at ~100 wpm I fail to see the need to try go faster because the whole point is most of the time you're not going to hit that upper limit unless you are a data enty operator.
Anything &gt;= 80 WPM is more than enough even if you're a programmer/geek/whatever-computer related.
Also the keyboard you type in makes a huge difference, I'm almost always slower on the "soft" and laptop keyboards than on the "harder" clickty-clack proper keyboards.
They say one gets better with practice but I don't know, I've been trying hard to get past 122wpm and it seems very difficult unless maybe I use the same typing content perhaps which is kind of cheating.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394602</id>
	<title>Electro-shocks on errors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267962120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typing program that will shock you whenever you typo a word.</p><p>Bonus points if you wear glasses to prevent you from looking at the keyboard, and monitors on each finger to detect what finger presses what key.<br>If you stray away from the true path of typing, BBZZZZTT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typing program that will shock you whenever you typo a word.Bonus points if you wear glasses to prevent you from looking at the keyboard , and monitors on each finger to detect what finger presses what key.If you stray away from the true path of typing , BBZZZZTT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typing program that will shock you whenever you typo a word.Bonus points if you wear glasses to prevent you from looking at the keyboard, and monitors on each finger to detect what finger presses what key.If you stray away from the true path of typing, BBZZZZTT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31432874</id>
	<title>Re:I type Shenanigans on the OP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268226420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just took that test in the first link on Google and received a score of 86 wpm with 1 mistake, taking a test for 3 minutes. I use improper technique (I only use my pinkys on home row, only use the right shift key, and I usually have to look to type numbers), so I don't think the OP's claim is at all strange.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just took that test in the first link on Google and received a score of 86 wpm with 1 mistake , taking a test for 3 minutes .
I use improper technique ( I only use my pinkys on home row , only use the right shift key , and I usually have to look to type numbers ) , so I do n't think the OP 's claim is at all strange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just took that test in the first link on Google and received a score of 86 wpm with 1 mistake, taking a test for 3 minutes.
I use improper technique (I only use my pinkys on home row, only use the right shift key, and I usually have to look to type numbers), so I don't think the OP's claim is at all strange.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394202</id>
	<title>I went the Dvorak route.</title>
	<author>exasperation</author>
	<datestamp>1267959900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I went the Dvorak route.  I never bothered switching keyboards or keycaps, so I learnt to touchtype blind.  It took me about two weeks of casual use to get up to the speed of my QWERTY keyboarding skills and I improved much beyond that.  I do about 80 WPM now.

I also didn't forget QWERTY.  I can still type QWERTY as well as I ever did, at a sufficient but painful 30 wpm.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I went the Dvorak route .
I never bothered switching keyboards or keycaps , so I learnt to touchtype blind .
It took me about two weeks of casual use to get up to the speed of my QWERTY keyboarding skills and I improved much beyond that .
I do about 80 WPM now .
I also did n't forget QWERTY .
I can still type QWERTY as well as I ever did , at a sufficient but painful 30 wpm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went the Dvorak route.
I never bothered switching keyboards or keycaps, so I learnt to touchtype blind.
It took me about two weeks of casual use to get up to the speed of my QWERTY keyboarding skills and I improved much beyond that.
I do about 80 WPM now.
I also didn't forget QWERTY.
I can still type QWERTY as well as I ever did, at a sufficient but painful 30 wpm.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400886</id>
	<title>90 to 110 wpm? not fast enough?</title>
	<author>houbou</author>
	<datestamp>1268065380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You type between 90 and 110 WPM???. An average typist does between 50 and 70 WPM.. you want to ask people how to type faster???? are you accurate? what is your error rate?

Are you a strong backspace user as you type?

Anyways, clearly, if you believe you need to be faster, get a typing training tutorial application and go wild.  But as far as I'm concerned, you are plenty fast as is, unless you are an actual typist, if you are a coder, you need to be precise, not fast.

But you can always go voice..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) if you need to go faster.. just record and let the PC type it for you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You type between 90 and 110 WPM ? ? ? .
An average typist does between 50 and 70 WPM.. you want to ask people how to type faster ? ? ? ?
are you accurate ?
what is your error rate ?
Are you a strong backspace user as you type ?
Anyways , clearly , if you believe you need to be faster , get a typing training tutorial application and go wild .
But as far as I 'm concerned , you are plenty fast as is , unless you are an actual typist , if you are a coder , you need to be precise , not fast .
But you can always go voice.. : ) if you need to go faster.. just record and let the PC type it for you : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You type between 90 and 110 WPM???.
An average typist does between 50 and 70 WPM.. you want to ask people how to type faster????
are you accurate?
what is your error rate?
Are you a strong backspace user as you type?
Anyways, clearly, if you believe you need to be faster, get a typing training tutorial application and go wild.
But as far as I'm concerned, you are plenty fast as is, unless you are an actual typist, if you are a coder, you need to be precise, not fast.
But you can always go voice.. :) if you need to go faster.. just record and let the PC type it for you :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399770</id>
	<title>dont do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>unless your worried about carpel tunnel syndrome, don't do anything, old habits are hard to break. I had a teacher in 6th grade cover keyboards during typing tests i hated it. by then i had been using a keyboard for most of my life(incorrectly). and i could out type anyone else in the class. at one point i switched to a European keyboard because i had wore out one and was frustrated when writing code, promptly went out and got a new us layout. why there was a UK keyboard sitting in the spare parts blew my mind. no one there was from the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>unless your worried about carpel tunnel syndrome , do n't do anything , old habits are hard to break .
I had a teacher in 6th grade cover keyboards during typing tests i hated it .
by then i had been using a keyboard for most of my life ( incorrectly ) .
and i could out type anyone else in the class .
at one point i switched to a European keyboard because i had wore out one and was frustrated when writing code , promptly went out and got a new us layout .
why there was a UK keyboard sitting in the spare parts blew my mind .
no one there was from the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unless your worried about carpel tunnel syndrome, don't do anything, old habits are hard to break.
I had a teacher in 6th grade cover keyboards during typing tests i hated it.
by then i had been using a keyboard for most of my life(incorrectly).
and i could out type anyone else in the class.
at one point i switched to a European keyboard because i had wore out one and was frustrated when writing code, promptly went out and got a new us layout.
why there was a UK keyboard sitting in the spare parts blew my mind.
no one there was from the UK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394996</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>Random Destruction</author>
	<datestamp>1267965180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>:x =<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:wq</htmltext>
<tokenext>: x = : wq</tokentext>
<sentencetext>:x = :wq</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398482</id>
	<title>Just keep your hands where they should be</title>
	<author>Ahhrg</author>
	<datestamp>1268041920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I learned touch typing a couple of years ago by myself, with the simple technique of just keeping my hands where they were supposed to be and concetrating on which finger to use. I mean, I already knew where all the keys were, so with a bit of discipline I started picking up speed after a couple of days of slow and frustrated typing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned touch typing a couple of years ago by myself , with the simple technique of just keeping my hands where they were supposed to be and concetrating on which finger to use .
I mean , I already knew where all the keys were , so with a bit of discipline I started picking up speed after a couple of days of slow and frustrated typing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned touch typing a couple of years ago by myself, with the simple technique of just keeping my hands where they were supposed to be and concetrating on which finger to use.
I mean, I already knew where all the keys were, so with a bit of discipline I started picking up speed after a couple of days of slow and frustrated typing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397784</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother.</title>
	<author>Cochonou</author>
	<datestamp>1267988940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tend to disagree. You can type quite fast with hunt and peck. I've been typing like this for almost a decade. However, nothing beats proper touch typing. The main benefit is not speed - this is just a side effect. The main benefits are how your thoughts directly flow from your mind to your screen when touch typing. Actually, in some ways it doesn't feel like you are using a physical interface... or at least, that's how I feel. It is really, really comfortable to touch type.<br>
However, the switch can be painful. Ge a software tutor to get you started, and once you've started, never look back at the keyboard again. You will fall back to miserable typing speeds, make a lot of typos, so it is going to be quite frustrating. But if you keep going, touch typing is quite fast to get.<br>
So, the bottom line is : I believe it is just a matter of will. Your hunt and peck method won't hurt you when learning touch typing. However, you will need to be strong and never fall back to it at any time during the initial learning timeframe. But the benefits are really worth the small initial learning pains.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to disagree .
You can type quite fast with hunt and peck .
I 've been typing like this for almost a decade .
However , nothing beats proper touch typing .
The main benefit is not speed - this is just a side effect .
The main benefits are how your thoughts directly flow from your mind to your screen when touch typing .
Actually , in some ways it does n't feel like you are using a physical interface... or at least , that 's how I feel .
It is really , really comfortable to touch type .
However , the switch can be painful .
Ge a software tutor to get you started , and once you 've started , never look back at the keyboard again .
You will fall back to miserable typing speeds , make a lot of typos , so it is going to be quite frustrating .
But if you keep going , touch typing is quite fast to get .
So , the bottom line is : I believe it is just a matter of will .
Your hunt and peck method wo n't hurt you when learning touch typing .
However , you will need to be strong and never fall back to it at any time during the initial learning timeframe .
But the benefits are really worth the small initial learning pains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to disagree.
You can type quite fast with hunt and peck.
I've been typing like this for almost a decade.
However, nothing beats proper touch typing.
The main benefit is not speed - this is just a side effect.
The main benefits are how your thoughts directly flow from your mind to your screen when touch typing.
Actually, in some ways it doesn't feel like you are using a physical interface... or at least, that's how I feel.
It is really, really comfortable to touch type.
However, the switch can be painful.
Ge a software tutor to get you started, and once you've started, never look back at the keyboard again.
You will fall back to miserable typing speeds, make a lot of typos, so it is going to be quite frustrating.
But if you keep going, touch typing is quite fast to get.
So, the bottom line is : I believe it is just a matter of will.
Your hunt and peck method won't hurt you when learning touch typing.
However, you will need to be strong and never fall back to it at any time during the initial learning timeframe.
But the benefits are really worth the small initial learning pains.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397024</id>
	<title>Took typing in 1975</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1267980120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They offered typing when I was in high school in 75.  Myself and a bunch of my buddies took it for two reasons.
1. Other than the 5 of us, it was FULL of girls.
2. It was full of girls.

Who knew there would have been a benefit of learning to type...other than being in a class full of girls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They offered typing when I was in high school in 75 .
Myself and a bunch of my buddies took it for two reasons .
1. Other than the 5 of us , it was FULL of girls .
2. It was full of girls .
Who knew there would have been a benefit of learning to type...other than being in a class full of girls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They offered typing when I was in high school in 75.
Myself and a bunch of my buddies took it for two reasons.
1. Other than the 5 of us, it was FULL of girls.
2. It was full of girls.
Who knew there would have been a benefit of learning to type...other than being in a class full of girls.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399290</id>
	<title>Microsoft Natural Keyboard 2000</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1268052900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It forced me to write "properly" by making a lot of things i had grown accustomed to impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It forced me to write " properly " by making a lot of things i had grown accustomed to impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It forced me to write "properly" by making a lot of things i had grown accustomed to impossible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400574</id>
	<title>N.apb yr Yfl.</title>
	<author>jman.org</author>
	<datestamp>1268063700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes.  Bite the bullet, find a copy of Mavis Beacon v5 in the dollar bin somewhere, and learn Dvorak.
<br> <br>
There are other tutor programs, but back in '89 when I switched from hunt'n'pecker to Dvorak that was the latest version.  It also inexplicably happens to be the last one that offers Dvorak lessons.  These days she'll help you with your Spanish, but not Dvorak.  I wrote the company some years back but never got a meaningful reply as to why they discriminate in this manner.
<br> <br>
If you're on a lot of machines, install it as a separate language so the current state will show up near the tray (I use Swedish, as SV looks a little like DV).  That way, when it accidentally gets switched or I forget &amp; leave it that way, the normal user of that machine can see why they're typing gibbering &amp; ALT-LEFT-SHIFT back to Q mode.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Bite the bullet , find a copy of Mavis Beacon v5 in the dollar bin somewhere , and learn Dvorak .
There are other tutor programs , but back in '89 when I switched from hunt'n'pecker to Dvorak that was the latest version .
It also inexplicably happens to be the last one that offers Dvorak lessons .
These days she 'll help you with your Spanish , but not Dvorak .
I wrote the company some years back but never got a meaningful reply as to why they discriminate in this manner .
If you 're on a lot of machines , install it as a separate language so the current state will show up near the tray ( I use Swedish , as SV looks a little like DV ) .
That way , when it accidentally gets switched or I forget &amp; leave it that way , the normal user of that machine can see why they 're typing gibbering &amp; ALT-LEFT-SHIFT back to Q mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Bite the bullet, find a copy of Mavis Beacon v5 in the dollar bin somewhere, and learn Dvorak.
There are other tutor programs, but back in '89 when I switched from hunt'n'pecker to Dvorak that was the latest version.
It also inexplicably happens to be the last one that offers Dvorak lessons.
These days she'll help you with your Spanish, but not Dvorak.
I wrote the company some years back but never got a meaningful reply as to why they discriminate in this manner.
If you're on a lot of machines, install it as a separate language so the current state will show up near the tray (I use Swedish, as SV looks a little like DV).
That way, when it accidentally gets switched or I forget &amp; leave it that way, the normal user of that machine can see why they're typing gibbering &amp; ALT-LEFT-SHIFT back to Q mode.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394238</id>
	<title>90-110 WPM is fast</title>
	<author>xerent\_sweden</author>
	<datestamp>1267960080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>90-110 words per minute is typing really fast. The standard length of a word is five letters and if you measured with that word length you really have nothing to worry about. I couldn't imagine anyone writing faster than that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>90-110 words per minute is typing really fast .
The standard length of a word is five letters and if you measured with that word length you really have nothing to worry about .
I could n't imagine anyone writing faster than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>90-110 words per minute is typing really fast.
The standard length of a word is five letters and if you measured with that word length you really have nothing to worry about.
I couldn't imagine anyone writing faster than that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395094</id>
	<title>Frist Post!</title>
	<author>BeardedChimp</author>
	<datestamp>1267965840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see any reason to touch type, I hunt and peck fast enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any reason to touch type , I hunt and peck fast enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any reason to touch type, I hunt and peck fast enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394980</id>
	<title>100WPM My ass. Or, Get off my lawn.</title>
	<author>DoninIN</author>
	<datestamp>1267965060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>WTF? Guys, I can probably type as fast as anyone I know. I used to do 25WPM on an IBM selectric and if it's an online typing test I can probably get in the 60s or low 70s if I've been typing a lot lately. If you can properly type 100WPM you're awesome and need no improvement. Now... If as I suspect you've not been paying terribly close attention to the results of these tests, or you're including some kind of raw speed without factoring in the mistakes.... Or You've found a test that doesn't use the whole keyboard?<br>
Sure maybe you can jam 100WPM if you're picking the content, but really? I mean on one of the reputable typing tutors that does things like make you use the whole keyboard, all the punctuation and type things like "The forge of the marigolds: Lo! Eleven, thirty-comes early| 35# of sheeps-head costs $87 despite your 11\% discount."
<p>
Probably I'm just old, despite being a long time geek I learned to type simply because it was an easy class to take in high school. (I already knew how, because my handwriting is awful, so I took lessons young) On the one most of you didn't have to learn to hammer hard enough for a big old Royal manual, on the other hand most of you never knew the pure joy that was the action on the IBM selectric. Seriously, we need those for computers, I'll pay a couple of hundred dollars I don't care, that would be amazing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ?
Guys , I can probably type as fast as anyone I know .
I used to do 25WPM on an IBM selectric and if it 's an online typing test I can probably get in the 60s or low 70s if I 've been typing a lot lately .
If you can properly type 100WPM you 're awesome and need no improvement .
Now... If as I suspect you 've not been paying terribly close attention to the results of these tests , or you 're including some kind of raw speed without factoring in the mistakes.... Or You 've found a test that does n't use the whole keyboard ?
Sure maybe you can jam 100WPM if you 're picking the content , but really ?
I mean on one of the reputable typing tutors that does things like make you use the whole keyboard , all the punctuation and type things like " The forge of the marigolds : Lo !
Eleven , thirty-comes early | 35 # of sheeps-head costs $ 87 despite your 11 \ % discount .
" Probably I 'm just old , despite being a long time geek I learned to type simply because it was an easy class to take in high school .
( I already knew how , because my handwriting is awful , so I took lessons young ) On the one most of you did n't have to learn to hammer hard enough for a big old Royal manual , on the other hand most of you never knew the pure joy that was the action on the IBM selectric .
Seriously , we need those for computers , I 'll pay a couple of hundred dollars I do n't care , that would be amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF?
Guys, I can probably type as fast as anyone I know.
I used to do 25WPM on an IBM selectric and if it's an online typing test I can probably get in the 60s or low 70s if I've been typing a lot lately.
If you can properly type 100WPM you're awesome and need no improvement.
Now... If as I suspect you've not been paying terribly close attention to the results of these tests, or you're including some kind of raw speed without factoring in the mistakes.... Or You've found a test that doesn't use the whole keyboard?
Sure maybe you can jam 100WPM if you're picking the content, but really?
I mean on one of the reputable typing tutors that does things like make you use the whole keyboard, all the punctuation and type things like "The forge of the marigolds: Lo!
Eleven, thirty-comes early| 35# of sheeps-head costs $87 despite your 11\% discount.
"

Probably I'm just old, despite being a long time geek I learned to type simply because it was an easy class to take in high school.
(I already knew how, because my handwriting is awful, so I took lessons young) On the one most of you didn't have to learn to hammer hard enough for a big old Royal manual, on the other hand most of you never knew the pure joy that was the action on the IBM selectric.
Seriously, we need those for computers, I'll pay a couple of hundred dollars I don't care, that would be amazing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31403634</id>
	<title>Other ways to improve typing.</title>
	<author>g00ey</author>
	<datestamp>1268078460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But if you want to get higher typing speeds, why not use a Stenotype device? According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype/" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org] one can easily reach typing speeds of 300 WPM. <br> <br> I also come to think of alternative typing software for PDAs and smartphones. Texware solutions claim that one can yield faster typing speeds than a regular QWERTY keyboard with their program called Fitaly. So called <a href="http://www.fitaly.com/domperignon/domperignon4.htm" title="fitaly.com" rel="nofollow">Dom Perignon Speed Contests</a> [fitaly.com] are being arranged regularly which are typing contests using different typing software. The winner of the last contest reached a speed of 80.88 WPM using Fitaly. But the contest was arranged by Texware themselves so there could be reason to suspect that this contest may be biased. Another typing software that promises higher typing speeds is MessagEase which is similar to Fitaly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you want to get higher typing speeds , why not use a Stenotype device ?
According to Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] one can easily reach typing speeds of 300 WPM .
I also come to think of alternative typing software for PDAs and smartphones .
Texware solutions claim that one can yield faster typing speeds than a regular QWERTY keyboard with their program called Fitaly .
So called Dom Perignon Speed Contests [ fitaly.com ] are being arranged regularly which are typing contests using different typing software .
The winner of the last contest reached a speed of 80.88 WPM using Fitaly .
But the contest was arranged by Texware themselves so there could be reason to suspect that this contest may be biased .
Another typing software that promises higher typing speeds is MessagEase which is similar to Fitaly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you want to get higher typing speeds, why not use a Stenotype device?
According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] one can easily reach typing speeds of 300 WPM.
I also come to think of alternative typing software for PDAs and smartphones.
Texware solutions claim that one can yield faster typing speeds than a regular QWERTY keyboard with their program called Fitaly.
So called Dom Perignon Speed Contests [fitaly.com] are being arranged regularly which are typing contests using different typing software.
The winner of the last contest reached a speed of 80.88 WPM using Fitaly.
But the contest was arranged by Texware themselves so there could be reason to suspect that this contest may be biased.
Another typing software that promises higher typing speeds is MessagEase which is similar to Fitaly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31412916</id>
	<title>Re:How is this important?</title>
	<author>muckracer</author>
	<datestamp>1268147040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I type perfect touch type style.<br>&gt; At my best, I do about 90-120 WPM</p><p>Can you SAY the first sentence a few times at that speed?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I type perfect touch type style. &gt; At my best , I do about 90-120 WPMCan you SAY the first sentence a few times at that speed ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I type perfect touch type style.&gt; At my best, I do about 90-120 WPMCan you SAY the first sentence a few times at that speed?
:-)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394258</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Slack0ff</author>
	<datestamp>1267960140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They also don't mention whether or not they have to look down to find keys?

90-110 using only a few fingers sounds fast. At least to me, as a touch typer who hovers around 85wmp.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They also do n't mention whether or not they have to look down to find keys ?
90-110 using only a few fingers sounds fast .
At least to me , as a touch typer who hovers around 85wmp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also don't mention whether or not they have to look down to find keys?
90-110 using only a few fingers sounds fast.
At least to me, as a touch typer who hovers around 85wmp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400054</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1268060220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anrego (830717) * writes:</p><blockquote><div><p> A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.</p></div></blockquote><p>You must be new here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... yes, it looks like you are.<br>This is SlashDot, where un-considered off-the-cuff remarks are required 95\% of the time. Which means that it has around twice the meaningful communication of the average forum. It's been like that for the last decade or so, so I doubt that you'll be able to drag it further into the darkness.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anrego ( 830717 ) * writes : A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.You must be new here ... yes , it looks like you are.This is SlashDot , where un-considered off-the-cuff remarks are required 95 \ % of the time .
Which means that it has around twice the meaningful communication of the average forum .
It 's been like that for the last decade or so , so I doubt that you 'll be able to drag it further into the darkness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anrego (830717) * writes: A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.You must be new here ... yes, it looks like you are.This is SlashDot, where un-considered off-the-cuff remarks are required 95\% of the time.
Which means that it has around twice the meaningful communication of the average forum.
It's been like that for the last decade or so, so I doubt that you'll be able to drag it further into the darkness.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397674</id>
	<title>Let me share my story...</title>
	<author>mrbrown1602</author>
	<datestamp>1267987320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I type about 120wpm... with two fingers (and the occasional use of a thumb). My previous job was providing real-time closed captioning for deaf students in college lectures. Obviously, such a job requires fast typing, and the use of shorthand (which, with the software being used, usually bumped a typist up about 50wpm... I was hitting 140-150wpm frequently with the use of shorthand).</p><p>My boss heard from some co-workers about my typing techniques, and she didn't like it one bit... I'm guessing she might've been concerned with a worker's compensation claim. Anyhow, she ordered me to do this ridiculous "typing rehabilitation" program - basically, I was required to go through the basic "Mavis Bacon Typing" lessons and tests. Although I started to type in the proper way, my speed went from 120wpm to 30wpm!</p><p>After doing this for a couple of weeks to make my boss happy, I gave it up, and resumed typing the way I normally typed. 3 years later, no carpal tunnel, no problems, and all of the students that I worked with over those three years loved me and requested me all of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I type about 120wpm... with two fingers ( and the occasional use of a thumb ) .
My previous job was providing real-time closed captioning for deaf students in college lectures .
Obviously , such a job requires fast typing , and the use of shorthand ( which , with the software being used , usually bumped a typist up about 50wpm... I was hitting 140-150wpm frequently with the use of shorthand ) .My boss heard from some co-workers about my typing techniques , and she did n't like it one bit... I 'm guessing she might 've been concerned with a worker 's compensation claim .
Anyhow , she ordered me to do this ridiculous " typing rehabilitation " program - basically , I was required to go through the basic " Mavis Bacon Typing " lessons and tests .
Although I started to type in the proper way , my speed went from 120wpm to 30wpm ! After doing this for a couple of weeks to make my boss happy , I gave it up , and resumed typing the way I normally typed .
3 years later , no carpal tunnel , no problems , and all of the students that I worked with over those three years loved me and requested me all of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I type about 120wpm... with two fingers (and the occasional use of a thumb).
My previous job was providing real-time closed captioning for deaf students in college lectures.
Obviously, such a job requires fast typing, and the use of shorthand (which, with the software being used, usually bumped a typist up about 50wpm... I was hitting 140-150wpm frequently with the use of shorthand).My boss heard from some co-workers about my typing techniques, and she didn't like it one bit... I'm guessing she might've been concerned with a worker's compensation claim.
Anyhow, she ordered me to do this ridiculous "typing rehabilitation" program - basically, I was required to go through the basic "Mavis Bacon Typing" lessons and tests.
Although I started to type in the proper way, my speed went from 120wpm to 30wpm!After doing this for a couple of weeks to make my boss happy, I gave it up, and resumed typing the way I normally typed.
3 years later, no carpal tunnel, no problems, and all of the students that I worked with over those three years loved me and requested me all of the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395462</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ok with my poor typing technique...</title>
	<author>precariousgray</author>
	<datestamp>1267968780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doing it the right way is very important.  Well, that's what a typing teacher I had back in high school used to tell me, anyway.  She'd give me bad grades because I pressed certain keys differently than I was "supposed" to.  For whatever reason, despite this, I still typed much faster than she did.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doing it the right way is very important .
Well , that 's what a typing teacher I had back in high school used to tell me , anyway .
She 'd give me bad grades because I pressed certain keys differently than I was " supposed " to .
For whatever reason , despite this , I still typed much faster than she did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doing it the right way is very important.
Well, that's what a typing teacher I had back in high school used to tell me, anyway.
She'd give me bad grades because I pressed certain keys differently than I was "supposed" to.
For whatever reason, despite this, I still typed much faster than she did.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394214</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395200</id>
	<title>What's the problem?</title>
	<author>Hazelfield</author>
	<datestamp>1267966620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really don't get the problem. What is it that you want to achieve? Do you want to enter a typing competition or do you seek a career in live subtexting?<br> <br>

You have a really fast typing speed as it is now. Hey, 90 wpm ought to be enough for anybody. I see only two reasons why you should try to change your technique: <br> <br>

1) You experience pain while typing and want a more ergonomically correct positioning of your fingers.<br>
2) You have an unusual job where it's really important that you type extremely fast.<br> <br>

If neither of these apply to you, you have nothing to worry about. Do something more worthwile with your time than trying to fix something that isn't broken.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't get the problem .
What is it that you want to achieve ?
Do you want to enter a typing competition or do you seek a career in live subtexting ?
You have a really fast typing speed as it is now .
Hey , 90 wpm ought to be enough for anybody .
I see only two reasons why you should try to change your technique : 1 ) You experience pain while typing and want a more ergonomically correct positioning of your fingers .
2 ) You have an unusual job where it 's really important that you type extremely fast .
If neither of these apply to you , you have nothing to worry about .
Do something more worthwile with your time than trying to fix something that is n't broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't get the problem.
What is it that you want to achieve?
Do you want to enter a typing competition or do you seek a career in live subtexting?
You have a really fast typing speed as it is now.
Hey, 90 wpm ought to be enough for anybody.
I see only two reasons why you should try to change your technique:  

1) You experience pain while typing and want a more ergonomically correct positioning of your fingers.
2) You have an unusual job where it's really important that you type extremely fast.
If neither of these apply to you, you have nothing to worry about.
Do something more worthwile with your time than trying to fix something that isn't broken.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394608</id>
	<title>gtypist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267962180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I cannot understand how people working at the keyboard will not invest a week of their time to learn how to actually use it.

Get <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/gtypist/" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow">gtypist</a> [gnu.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not understand how people working at the keyboard will not invest a week of their time to learn how to actually use it .
Get gtypist [ gnu.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot understand how people working at the keyboard will not invest a week of their time to learn how to actually use it.
Get gtypist [gnu.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395472</id>
	<title>Re:If you're doing almost two words a second...</title>
	<author>Ralph Spoilsport</author>
	<datestamp>1267968840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I totally agree. I type around 30  - 40 wpm when I'm typing quickly like I have to type something. Usually I type a line at around  30 - 40wpm, and then I stop and think about what I'm going to say next - is it well thought out? Does it make sense? Is it grammatical? Then I type a line and look at it, and think - "is this what I want to say, and is it "good enough" english for the target audience"? Speed is of no real consequence. 90wpm bullshit is still bullshit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree .
I type around 30 - 40 wpm when I 'm typing quickly like I have to type something .
Usually I type a line at around 30 - 40wpm , and then I stop and think about what I 'm going to say next - is it well thought out ?
Does it make sense ?
Is it grammatical ?
Then I type a line and look at it , and think - " is this what I want to say , and is it " good enough " english for the target audience " ?
Speed is of no real consequence .
90wpm bullshit is still bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree.
I type around 30  - 40 wpm when I'm typing quickly like I have to type something.
Usually I type a line at around  30 - 40wpm, and then I stop and think about what I'm going to say next - is it well thought out?
Does it make sense?
Is it grammatical?
Then I type a line and look at it, and think - "is this what I want to say, and is it "good enough" english for the target audience"?
Speed is of no real consequence.
90wpm bullshit is still bullshit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395962</id>
	<title>Re:I'm ok with my poor typing technique...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267971900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same here.  I also think this has saved my hands from any type of RSI type problems.  I have never once, ever felt any numbness or pain from typing and I have typed some probably insane number of hours over the last 30 years.  Seriously, I have been typing 10-20 hour days almost nonstop for the last 30 years.  Although that is almost completely programming so it's not quite the stress level of some other typing tasks.</p><p>My hunt and peck technique uses all my fingers about equally but I often hit the same keys with different fingers.  I think this mixes things up enough to prevent a RSI.  Works well enough for what I need.  I'm a software developer not a secretary.</p><p>Using the mouse is another story, I get numbness from that within just a few days if I'm doing a lot of mouse work (3D modeling is the killer there).  When that happens I just switch hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here .
I also think this has saved my hands from any type of RSI type problems .
I have never once , ever felt any numbness or pain from typing and I have typed some probably insane number of hours over the last 30 years .
Seriously , I have been typing 10-20 hour days almost nonstop for the last 30 years .
Although that is almost completely programming so it 's not quite the stress level of some other typing tasks.My hunt and peck technique uses all my fingers about equally but I often hit the same keys with different fingers .
I think this mixes things up enough to prevent a RSI .
Works well enough for what I need .
I 'm a software developer not a secretary.Using the mouse is another story , I get numbness from that within just a few days if I 'm doing a lot of mouse work ( 3D modeling is the killer there ) .
When that happens I just switch hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here.
I also think this has saved my hands from any type of RSI type problems.
I have never once, ever felt any numbness or pain from typing and I have typed some probably insane number of hours over the last 30 years.
Seriously, I have been typing 10-20 hour days almost nonstop for the last 30 years.
Although that is almost completely programming so it's not quite the stress level of some other typing tasks.My hunt and peck technique uses all my fingers about equally but I often hit the same keys with different fingers.
I think this mixes things up enough to prevent a RSI.
Works well enough for what I need.
I'm a software developer not a secretary.Using the mouse is another story, I get numbness from that within just a few days if I'm doing a lot of mouse work (3D modeling is the killer there).
When that happens I just switch hands.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395482</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>precariousgray</author>
	<datestamp>1267968900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The futre of lnguage is going 2 b a lvly place, lol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The futre of lnguage is going 2 b a lvly place , lol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The futre of lnguage is going 2 b a lvly place, lol.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397088</id>
	<title>My experience</title>
	<author>meburke</author>
	<datestamp>1267980600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typing was the ONLY class in high school I got straight A's in. Then I quit school and joined the Army. I was in Signal School and the first day of typing class I exceeded 30wpm so I spent that portion of my AIT doing scut work until time to learn crypto. I ended up doing work on IBM 1401's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM\_1401" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM\_1401</a> [wikipedia.org] , and the "communications" part was transmitting Hollerith card information through what looked like a big keypunch machine connected through a cradle-type modem to the AUTODIN network (early WATS-line type precursor to the ARPANET). It transmitted about 55 cards per minute; less if I was using CIPHONY. This left me lots of time to study, and, since I had an IBM Selectric to practice on, I eventually got my typing speed over 90 WPM.</p><p>In the last few years I've been doing a lot of writing, and I found that I could generate about 4000 words per hour if I turned of the monitor. (I wasn't tempted to do corrections in the middle of my flow if I couldn't see them. ) OK, there was a lot of correction to be done, but I was producing OUTPUT and I was happy. Happy, that is, until one day, working for another employer, I found that I was looking at my keyboard while I typed, and my touch-typing skills had deteriorated badly.</p><p>I can now confidently TT between 45-60 wpm after lots of practice with some free typing tutors and practice stuff. It's worth the effort.</p><p>One of my un-started projects is to get some of the stuff from this "Supreme Learning" guy and see if his keyboarding system is really what it says it is. <a href="http://www.supremelearning.com/" title="supremelearning.com">http://www.supremelearning.com/</a> [supremelearning.com] The CNN quote on his page says he can type in 27 languages with speeds reaching up to 200 WPM. And, oh, yeah; he plays the piano.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Typing was the ONLY class in high school I got straight A 's in .
Then I quit school and joined the Army .
I was in Signal School and the first day of typing class I exceeded 30wpm so I spent that portion of my AIT doing scut work until time to learn crypto .
I ended up doing work on IBM 1401 's http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM \ _1401 [ wikipedia.org ] , and the " communications " part was transmitting Hollerith card information through what looked like a big keypunch machine connected through a cradle-type modem to the AUTODIN network ( early WATS-line type precursor to the ARPANET ) .
It transmitted about 55 cards per minute ; less if I was using CIPHONY .
This left me lots of time to study , and , since I had an IBM Selectric to practice on , I eventually got my typing speed over 90 WPM.In the last few years I 've been doing a lot of writing , and I found that I could generate about 4000 words per hour if I turned of the monitor .
( I was n't tempted to do corrections in the middle of my flow if I could n't see them .
) OK , there was a lot of correction to be done , but I was producing OUTPUT and I was happy .
Happy , that is , until one day , working for another employer , I found that I was looking at my keyboard while I typed , and my touch-typing skills had deteriorated badly.I can now confidently TT between 45-60 wpm after lots of practice with some free typing tutors and practice stuff .
It 's worth the effort.One of my un-started projects is to get some of the stuff from this " Supreme Learning " guy and see if his keyboarding system is really what it says it is .
http : //www.supremelearning.com/ [ supremelearning.com ] The CNN quote on his page says he can type in 27 languages with speeds reaching up to 200 WPM .
And , oh , yeah ; he plays the piano .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typing was the ONLY class in high school I got straight A's in.
Then I quit school and joined the Army.
I was in Signal School and the first day of typing class I exceeded 30wpm so I spent that portion of my AIT doing scut work until time to learn crypto.
I ended up doing work on IBM 1401's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM\_1401 [wikipedia.org] , and the "communications" part was transmitting Hollerith card information through what looked like a big keypunch machine connected through a cradle-type modem to the AUTODIN network (early WATS-line type precursor to the ARPANET).
It transmitted about 55 cards per minute; less if I was using CIPHONY.
This left me lots of time to study, and, since I had an IBM Selectric to practice on, I eventually got my typing speed over 90 WPM.In the last few years I've been doing a lot of writing, and I found that I could generate about 4000 words per hour if I turned of the monitor.
(I wasn't tempted to do corrections in the middle of my flow if I couldn't see them.
) OK, there was a lot of correction to be done, but I was producing OUTPUT and I was happy.
Happy, that is, until one day, working for another employer, I found that I was looking at my keyboard while I typed, and my touch-typing skills had deteriorated badly.I can now confidently TT between 45-60 wpm after lots of practice with some free typing tutors and practice stuff.
It's worth the effort.One of my un-started projects is to get some of the stuff from this "Supreme Learning" guy and see if his keyboarding system is really what it says it is.
http://www.supremelearning.com/ [supremelearning.com] The CNN quote on his page says he can type in 27 languages with speeds reaching up to 200 WPM.
And, oh, yeah; he plays the piano.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31402302</id>
	<title>Re:100WPM My ass. Or, Get off my lawn.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268072580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The IBM Model M keyboard is pretty much an IBM Selectric III keyboard in terms of action.  Personally I like it a little more than the S3, but that might be because of the last 15 years of use.  =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The IBM Model M keyboard is pretty much an IBM Selectric III keyboard in terms of action .
Personally I like it a little more than the S3 , but that might be because of the last 15 years of use .
= )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The IBM Model M keyboard is pretty much an IBM Selectric III keyboard in terms of action.
Personally I like it a little more than the S3, but that might be because of the last 15 years of use.
=)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395412</id>
	<title>Learn the Piano</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267968480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I learned the piano as a kid and my typing is really good as a result.</p><p>A good piano teacher will focus on making sure you raise your wrists, curl your fingers correctly, and teach you to use all of your fingers learning scales. It will strengthen your little and ring fingers and give you the correct positioning for your hands and fingers. Learning scales is the very first thing a piano teacher will instruct you on. Its very repetative, and you'll start off slow, but the more you practise the faster you get. You'll learn to hit exactly the key your aiming for, lessening the mistakes in your typing.</p><p>Really you could learn what you need in a few piano lessens, you can practise on a cheap keyboard from Tandys/Walmart/ whatever.  Its all about holding your hands right and moving them up and down the scale without hitting any wrong keys. Same thing as what you are aiming for in improving your typing speed - but on a piano you'll hear the wrong note every time you press the wrong key - helping you know instantly if you are getting things right.</p><p>Because I learnt how to hold my hands above a keyboard (piano and computer) and have curved fingers (you imagine holding a tennis ball in your hand to get the correct curve), I can program all day without getting tired or sore hands, and haven't suffered RSI (and expect never to).</p><p>I see so many people being lazy and resting their wrists on the desk/keyboard and then complaining about sore tired hands. Or not using all their fingers because they were never taught how.</p><p>Touch typing lessons wont give you the accuracy or speed a piano teacher with a ruler will!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned the piano as a kid and my typing is really good as a result.A good piano teacher will focus on making sure you raise your wrists , curl your fingers correctly , and teach you to use all of your fingers learning scales .
It will strengthen your little and ring fingers and give you the correct positioning for your hands and fingers .
Learning scales is the very first thing a piano teacher will instruct you on .
Its very repetative , and you 'll start off slow , but the more you practise the faster you get .
You 'll learn to hit exactly the key your aiming for , lessening the mistakes in your typing.Really you could learn what you need in a few piano lessens , you can practise on a cheap keyboard from Tandys/Walmart/ whatever .
Its all about holding your hands right and moving them up and down the scale without hitting any wrong keys .
Same thing as what you are aiming for in improving your typing speed - but on a piano you 'll hear the wrong note every time you press the wrong key - helping you know instantly if you are getting things right.Because I learnt how to hold my hands above a keyboard ( piano and computer ) and have curved fingers ( you imagine holding a tennis ball in your hand to get the correct curve ) , I can program all day without getting tired or sore hands , and have n't suffered RSI ( and expect never to ) .I see so many people being lazy and resting their wrists on the desk/keyboard and then complaining about sore tired hands .
Or not using all their fingers because they were never taught how.Touch typing lessons wont give you the accuracy or speed a piano teacher with a ruler will !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned the piano as a kid and my typing is really good as a result.A good piano teacher will focus on making sure you raise your wrists, curl your fingers correctly, and teach you to use all of your fingers learning scales.
It will strengthen your little and ring fingers and give you the correct positioning for your hands and fingers.
Learning scales is the very first thing a piano teacher will instruct you on.
Its very repetative, and you'll start off slow, but the more you practise the faster you get.
You'll learn to hit exactly the key your aiming for, lessening the mistakes in your typing.Really you could learn what you need in a few piano lessens, you can practise on a cheap keyboard from Tandys/Walmart/ whatever.
Its all about holding your hands right and moving them up and down the scale without hitting any wrong keys.
Same thing as what you are aiming for in improving your typing speed - but on a piano you'll hear the wrong note every time you press the wrong key - helping you know instantly if you are getting things right.Because I learnt how to hold my hands above a keyboard (piano and computer) and have curved fingers (you imagine holding a tennis ball in your hand to get the correct curve), I can program all day without getting tired or sore hands, and haven't suffered RSI (and expect never to).I see so many people being lazy and resting their wrists on the desk/keyboard and then complaining about sore tired hands.
Or not using all their fingers because they were never taught how.Touch typing lessons wont give you the accuracy or speed a piano teacher with a ruler will!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396052</id>
	<title>Re:90-110 WPM is fast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267972380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in my college days I took a typing class...on old electric typewriters. One day a tech girl came in to test/fix the typewriters. She type so fast her hands would be back in her lap before the typewriter finished!<br>I asked her how fast she typed and she said she could do over 250 wpm. And there she was fixing the damn things<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in my college days I took a typing class...on old electric typewriters .
One day a tech girl came in to test/fix the typewriters .
She type so fast her hands would be back in her lap before the typewriter finished ! I asked her how fast she typed and she said she could do over 250 wpm .
And there she was fixing the damn things : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in my college days I took a typing class...on old electric typewriters.
One day a tech girl came in to test/fix the typewriters.
She type so fast her hands would be back in her lap before the typewriter finished!I asked her how fast she typed and she said she could do over 250 wpm.
And there she was fixing the damn things :/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397956</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267991640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>100wpm isn't fast enough? What exactly are you typing?</p><p>"Proper technique" positions the hands much more rigidly and is more likely to lead to sore hands.</p></div><p>I've seen a lot of people using the wrong posture with "Proper" technique. If you really want to know what proper technique is, go talk to a piano instructor, they'll show you how to hold your hands the right way. If you do it properly, most of the strain will be on your arms, not your wrists. You should be <i>relaxed</i> when you're in the proper position, if you are rigid then you're not doing it right or you're tensing up.<br>If that just plain doesn't work for you, then get yourself one of those "ergonomic" keyboards... I recommend these for people who have trouble using proper technique or for people who just can't resist laying their wrists on the desktop.</p><p>But ya, 100wpm should be plenty fast, assuming that is the speed you can touch-type when you're presented with unfamiliar material. If that's your top speed when typing things over &amp; over then ya, you should work on it some.</p><p>Just remember... practice makes better.</p></div>
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<tokenext>100wpm is n't fast enough ?
What exactly are you typing ?
" Proper technique " positions the hands much more rigidly and is more likely to lead to sore hands.I 've seen a lot of people using the wrong posture with " Proper " technique .
If you really want to know what proper technique is , go talk to a piano instructor , they 'll show you how to hold your hands the right way .
If you do it properly , most of the strain will be on your arms , not your wrists .
You should be relaxed when you 're in the proper position , if you are rigid then you 're not doing it right or you 're tensing up.If that just plain does n't work for you , then get yourself one of those " ergonomic " keyboards... I recommend these for people who have trouble using proper technique or for people who just ca n't resist laying their wrists on the desktop.But ya , 100wpm should be plenty fast , assuming that is the speed you can touch-type when you 're presented with unfamiliar material .
If that 's your top speed when typing things over &amp; over then ya , you should work on it some.Just remember... practice makes better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100wpm isn't fast enough?
What exactly are you typing?
"Proper technique" positions the hands much more rigidly and is more likely to lead to sore hands.I've seen a lot of people using the wrong posture with "Proper" technique.
If you really want to know what proper technique is, go talk to a piano instructor, they'll show you how to hold your hands the right way.
If you do it properly, most of the strain will be on your arms, not your wrists.
You should be relaxed when you're in the proper position, if you are rigid then you're not doing it right or you're tensing up.If that just plain doesn't work for you, then get yourself one of those "ergonomic" keyboards... I recommend these for people who have trouble using proper technique or for people who just can't resist laying their wrists on the desktop.But ya, 100wpm should be plenty fast, assuming that is the speed you can touch-type when you're presented with unfamiliar material.
If that's your top speed when typing things over &amp; over then ya, you should work on it some.Just remember... practice makes better.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394446</id>
	<title>how were you rated?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267961040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I'm always amazed by people around here that claim to type in the 80-120 wpm range and I have to wonder, how were you all tested? Have any of you actually taken professionally administered typing tests? Or are these guesses or scores from those crappy online typing tests (which are very much like online IQ tests -- "Your IQ is 185!!!!!"). I ask because I've worked with people who claim to type ~90-100 wpm before, but in reality it's usually closer to 50-60.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm always amazed by people around here that claim to type in the 80-120 wpm range and I have to wonder , how were you all tested ?
Have any of you actually taken professionally administered typing tests ?
Or are these guesses or scores from those crappy online typing tests ( which are very much like online IQ tests -- " Your IQ is 185 ! ! ! ! ! " ) .
I ask because I 've worked with people who claim to type ~ 90-100 wpm before , but in reality it 's usually closer to 50-60 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm always amazed by people around here that claim to type in the 80-120 wpm range and I have to wonder, how were you all tested?
Have any of you actually taken professionally administered typing tests?
Or are these guesses or scores from those crappy online typing tests (which are very much like online IQ tests -- "Your IQ is 185!!!!!").
I ask because I've worked with people who claim to type ~90-100 wpm before, but in reality it's usually closer to 50-60.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398842</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>zsau</author>
	<datestamp>1268047020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on your job, doesn't it? If you're an academic/writer, you still have to output pages of text in a short period.</p><p>Now, I don't read your comment on "leet txt sms speek" as being necessarily deprecative, but others will think it, so... I'd be very surprised if the restriction of lots of formal text to a small group we increasingly see today is any different from how it used to be: In fact, now we have additional styles and genres being used by people who never wrote much before; its what happens when you bring literacy up to record levels. "Leet txt sms speek" is just an adaptation of speech to written language, and it substitutes not for writing but for speech. (In reality, you have probably very rarely made 160-characters equivalent of communication before you got some feedback in your life, unless you're a professional writer or a loner. We simply aren't designed for monologues.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on your job , does n't it ?
If you 're an academic/writer , you still have to output pages of text in a short period.Now , I do n't read your comment on " leet txt sms speek " as being necessarily deprecative , but others will think it , so... I 'd be very surprised if the restriction of lots of formal text to a small group we increasingly see today is any different from how it used to be : In fact , now we have additional styles and genres being used by people who never wrote much before ; its what happens when you bring literacy up to record levels .
" Leet txt sms speek " is just an adaptation of speech to written language , and it substitutes not for writing but for speech .
( In reality , you have probably very rarely made 160-characters equivalent of communication before you got some feedback in your life , unless you 're a professional writer or a loner .
We simply are n't designed for monologues .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on your job, doesn't it?
If you're an academic/writer, you still have to output pages of text in a short period.Now, I don't read your comment on "leet txt sms speek" as being necessarily deprecative, but others will think it, so... I'd be very surprised if the restriction of lots of formal text to a small group we increasingly see today is any different from how it used to be: In fact, now we have additional styles and genres being used by people who never wrote much before; its what happens when you bring literacy up to record levels.
"Leet txt sms speek" is just an adaptation of speech to written language, and it substitutes not for writing but for speech.
(In reality, you have probably very rarely made 160-characters equivalent of communication before you got some feedback in your life, unless you're a professional writer or a loner.
We simply aren't designed for monologues.
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	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1268057340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I notice of people who type blind with 10 fingers is that if I ask to type in their login and password it is even slower then what I do by pecking. What I often observe with thos people is:<br>Place the fingers correct. Type the password a bit faster then I would. Go to the mouse, drag it to the password set the fingers correct and type in the password, go back to the mouse and click on OK.<br>The time they gain is absolutely lost with the time that gets lost.</p><p>And unless you type all the time, the most time I use when sitting in front of a screen is not typing, but thinking about what to type. Even with this message I use more time thinking about what to type then the typing itself. Even during the typing I am thinking what to type, so the total time I would use would not change if I could type faster. I would just move my fingers less of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I notice of people who type blind with 10 fingers is that if I ask to type in their login and password it is even slower then what I do by pecking .
What I often observe with thos people is : Place the fingers correct .
Type the password a bit faster then I would .
Go to the mouse , drag it to the password set the fingers correct and type in the password , go back to the mouse and click on OK.The time they gain is absolutely lost with the time that gets lost.And unless you type all the time , the most time I use when sitting in front of a screen is not typing , but thinking about what to type .
Even with this message I use more time thinking about what to type then the typing itself .
Even during the typing I am thinking what to type , so the total time I would use would not change if I could type faster .
I would just move my fingers less of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I notice of people who type blind with 10 fingers is that if I ask to type in their login and password it is even slower then what I do by pecking.
What I often observe with thos people is:Place the fingers correct.
Type the password a bit faster then I would.
Go to the mouse, drag it to the password set the fingers correct and type in the password, go back to the mouse and click on OK.The time they gain is absolutely lost with the time that gets lost.And unless you type all the time, the most time I use when sitting in front of a screen is not typing, but thinking about what to type.
Even with this message I use more time thinking about what to type then the typing itself.
Even during the typing I am thinking what to type, so the total time I would use would not change if I could type faster.
I would just move my fingers less of the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398766</id>
	<title>TuxType</title>
	<author>Compaqt</author>
	<datestamp>1268046180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amazing no one's mentioned TuxType so far. Just do 10-15 minutes every day as a rule, and you'll improve your technique in no time.</p><p>Even though I know how to touch type, I find that my technique deteriorates, and using Tux Typing for a week or so refreshes my skills, especially if I know I have a lot of typing to do for a given project.</p><p>sudo apt-get install tuxtype (or <a href="apt:tuxtype" title="apt" rel="nofollow">click here from FF to install</a> [apt]).</p><p><a href="http://tux4kids.alioth.debian.org/tuxtype/download.php" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">Windows/Mac/BSD/RPM here</a> [debian.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing no one 's mentioned TuxType so far .
Just do 10-15 minutes every day as a rule , and you 'll improve your technique in no time.Even though I know how to touch type , I find that my technique deteriorates , and using Tux Typing for a week or so refreshes my skills , especially if I know I have a lot of typing to do for a given project.sudo apt-get install tuxtype ( or click here from FF to install [ apt ] ) .Windows/Mac/BSD/RPM here [ debian.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing no one's mentioned TuxType so far.
Just do 10-15 minutes every day as a rule, and you'll improve your technique in no time.Even though I know how to touch type, I find that my technique deteriorates, and using Tux Typing for a week or so refreshes my skills, especially if I know I have a lot of typing to do for a given project.sudo apt-get install tuxtype (or click here from FF to install [apt]).Windows/Mac/BSD/RPM here [debian.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394812</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>ooloogi</author>
	<datestamp>1267963800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A big advantage of Dvorak is that it forces you to touch type and not peek at the keys, on account of the physical key layout not matching the keymap.  You could achieve a similar thing with qwerty by randomly moving the keycaps on a keyboard, except the "F" and "J" keys with the markers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A big advantage of Dvorak is that it forces you to touch type and not peek at the keys , on account of the physical key layout not matching the keymap .
You could achieve a similar thing with qwerty by randomly moving the keycaps on a keyboard , except the " F " and " J " keys with the markers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A big advantage of Dvorak is that it forces you to touch type and not peek at the keys, on account of the physical key layout not matching the keymap.
You could achieve a similar thing with qwerty by randomly moving the keycaps on a keyboard, except the "F" and "J" keys with the markers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394194</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395344</id>
	<title>I type Shenanigans on the OP</title>
	<author>DontScotty</author>
	<datestamp>1267967880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>80 WPM means 6.5 characters per second - bull sh!t.</p><p><a href="http://imlocation.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/how-fast-do-people-type/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://imlocation.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/how-fast-do-people-type/</a> [wordpress.com]</p><p>"Notice that that out of the three thousand four hundred and seventy five applicants, not a single one could manage 120 WPM. And only the top 5\% of applicants could manage 70 WPM or higher."</p><p>So - this OP is claiming to be in the top 5\% of people who work in professional typing jobs?</p><p>Someone needs a re-test.</p><p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yb8zf95" title="tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yb8zf95</a> [tinyurl.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>80 WPM means 6.5 characters per second - bull sh ! t.http : //imlocation.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/how-fast-do-people-type/ [ wordpress.com ] " Notice that that out of the three thousand four hundred and seventy five applicants , not a single one could manage 120 WPM .
And only the top 5 \ % of applicants could manage 70 WPM or higher .
" So - this OP is claiming to be in the top 5 \ % of people who work in professional typing jobs ? Someone needs a re-test.http : //tinyurl.com/yb8zf95 [ tinyurl.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>80 WPM means 6.5 characters per second - bull sh!t.http://imlocation.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/how-fast-do-people-type/ [wordpress.com]"Notice that that out of the three thousand four hundred and seventy five applicants, not a single one could manage 120 WPM.
And only the top 5\% of applicants could manage 70 WPM or higher.
"So - this OP is claiming to be in the top 5\% of people who work in professional typing jobs?Someone needs a re-test.http://tinyurl.com/yb8zf95 [tinyurl.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394192</id>
	<title>Use a qwerty touch typing program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267959900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eventually you'll hit a wall with your non-standard typing, and have to switch.  Or start with proper typing, and work your way back up to speed that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eventually you 'll hit a wall with your non-standard typing , and have to switch .
Or start with proper typing , and work your way back up to speed that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eventually you'll hit a wall with your non-standard typing, and have to switch.
Or start with proper typing, and work your way back up to speed that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394670</id>
	<title>Ergo keyboard ftw</title>
	<author>n0w0rries</author>
	<datestamp>1267962600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I taught myself how to type.  The biggest thing that helped me was getting one of those natural keyboards with the hump in the middle.  I got one at one of my early jobs because I was afraid of having carpal tunnel issues--and when I first started using it my hands would actually collide in mid air because my fingers were all over the place.  I quickly adapted to keeping my hands on their respective sides, and eventually dumped the natural keyboard and my typing is better for it.  I type about 100-120 wpm.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I taught myself how to type .
The biggest thing that helped me was getting one of those natural keyboards with the hump in the middle .
I got one at one of my early jobs because I was afraid of having carpal tunnel issues--and when I first started using it my hands would actually collide in mid air because my fingers were all over the place .
I quickly adapted to keeping my hands on their respective sides , and eventually dumped the natural keyboard and my typing is better for it .
I type about 100-120 wpm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I taught myself how to type.
The biggest thing that helped me was getting one of those natural keyboards with the hump in the middle.
I got one at one of my early jobs because I was afraid of having carpal tunnel issues--and when I first started using it my hands would actually collide in mid air because my fingers were all over the place.
I quickly adapted to keeping my hands on their respective sides, and eventually dumped the natural keyboard and my typing is better for it.
I type about 100-120 wpm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31409866</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1268069460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.</p></div><p>Right. That's why OS X comes with a Terminal application installed by default (and easily accessible) and why Windows 7 is now substantially more operable from keyboard only than its predecessors ever were. And, at the same time, MS has made it increasingly difficult for people familiar with Windows to find what they need the conventional (mouse driven) way.</p><p>And when I'm helping someone with their new Windows 7 computer, and I say "Now type  in that little bar" after they click Start, and their response is "oh, that's neat"... that's somewhat indicative of people not wanting to navigate through shitty menus and contextual BS.</p><p>Want to add or remove a program? Start -&gt; Run (or w/e it's called now - Search?) -&gt; type "add or remove programs" and hit enter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept of a " command line " is dead to 99 \ % of the population.Right .
That 's why OS X comes with a Terminal application installed by default ( and easily accessible ) and why Windows 7 is now substantially more operable from keyboard only than its predecessors ever were .
And , at the same time , MS has made it increasingly difficult for people familiar with Windows to find what they need the conventional ( mouse driven ) way.And when I 'm helping someone with their new Windows 7 computer , and I say " Now type in that little bar " after they click Start , and their response is " oh , that 's neat " ... that 's somewhat indicative of people not wanting to navigate through shitty menus and contextual BS.Want to add or remove a program ?
Start - &gt; Run ( or w/e it 's called now - Search ?
) - &gt; type " add or remove programs " and hit enter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.Right.
That's why OS X comes with a Terminal application installed by default (and easily accessible) and why Windows 7 is now substantially more operable from keyboard only than its predecessors ever were.
And, at the same time, MS has made it increasingly difficult for people familiar with Windows to find what they need the conventional (mouse driven) way.And when I'm helping someone with their new Windows 7 computer, and I say "Now type  in that little bar" after they click Start, and their response is "oh, that's neat"... that's somewhat indicative of people not wanting to navigate through shitty menus and contextual BS.Want to add or remove a program?
Start -&gt; Run (or w/e it's called now - Search?
) -&gt; type "add or remove programs" and hit enter.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395108</id>
	<title>Re:If you're doing almost two words a second...</title>
	<author>Xian97</author>
	<datestamp>1267965960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would have to agree. Your technique might not be correct, but it's the results that count.

My first computer was an old Atari 800. The right shift key quit working after a couple months but I continued to type on it for several more years. To this day I still shift with my left hand. It might not be the correct way to do it, but it has not affected my speed or accuracy in any way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have to agree .
Your technique might not be correct , but it 's the results that count .
My first computer was an old Atari 800 .
The right shift key quit working after a couple months but I continued to type on it for several more years .
To this day I still shift with my left hand .
It might not be the correct way to do it , but it has not affected my speed or accuracy in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have to agree.
Your technique might not be correct, but it's the results that count.
My first computer was an old Atari 800.
The right shift key quit working after a couple months but I continued to type on it for several more years.
To this day I still shift with my left hand.
It might not be the correct way to do it, but it has not affected my speed or accuracy in any way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394472</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396730</id>
	<title>Re:Mavis Beacon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267977240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mavis Beacon's like Tetris - it's been around since 1987 and ported to every platform that counts. And it can teach Dvorak too.</p></div><p>STOP calling my Mavis an IT! She's very sensitive! And lovely. And I've learned many things from her that they don't teach you in public school...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mavis Beacon 's like Tetris - it 's been around since 1987 and ported to every platform that counts .
And it can teach Dvorak too.STOP calling my Mavis an IT !
She 's very sensitive !
And lovely .
And I 've learned many things from her that they do n't teach you in public school.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mavis Beacon's like Tetris - it's been around since 1987 and ported to every platform that counts.
And it can teach Dvorak too.STOP calling my Mavis an IT!
She's very sensitive!
And lovely.
And I've learned many things from her that they don't teach you in public school...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394366</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak isn't better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The studies are bogus.  If you actually try Dvorak, however, you'll find it's much more comfortable. All the common letters are in the top two rows.</p><p>It won't double your speed as Dvorak may have claimed, but a lot of people do gain 20\% or so on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The studies are bogus .
If you actually try Dvorak , however , you 'll find it 's much more comfortable .
All the common letters are in the top two rows.It wo n't double your speed as Dvorak may have claimed , but a lot of people do gain 20 \ % or so on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The studies are bogus.
If you actually try Dvorak, however, you'll find it's much more comfortable.
All the common letters are in the top two rows.It won't double your speed as Dvorak may have claimed, but a lot of people do gain 20\% or so on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397328</id>
	<title>Learned to type on my own...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267982940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I learned to type on my own, but it ended up a bit bastardly.</p><p>My left hand was kept on: A W E R [SPACE]<br>And right was on: [NOTHING?]M K L /</p><p>I still managed to get around 70-80WPM (90 when I was trying to be cool and score high on those lame WPM tests). doing this method, which sometimes involved crossing across the keyboard instead of using the closer finger.</p><p>During one year of high school, I moved to a rural part of the States, and they had a required 'Computer Skills' class which had a typing portion.  I got all negative marks due to my hand positioning, posture, etc. so I forced myself to learn how to properly type using the little on-screen program.</p><p>Took about two months to fully adjust, but I learned to properly use the Home keys and not type like a lunatic.</p><p>Currently I get around 90WPM, and 140WPM on those lame tests.  Facebook says 155WPM, but I don't believe that silly test<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned to type on my own , but it ended up a bit bastardly.My left hand was kept on : A W E R [ SPACE ] And right was on : [ NOTHING ?
] M K L /I still managed to get around 70-80WPM ( 90 when I was trying to be cool and score high on those lame WPM tests ) .
doing this method , which sometimes involved crossing across the keyboard instead of using the closer finger.During one year of high school , I moved to a rural part of the States , and they had a required 'Computer Skills ' class which had a typing portion .
I got all negative marks due to my hand positioning , posture , etc .
so I forced myself to learn how to properly type using the little on-screen program.Took about two months to fully adjust , but I learned to properly use the Home keys and not type like a lunatic.Currently I get around 90WPM , and 140WPM on those lame tests .
Facebook says 155WPM , but I do n't believe that silly test ; ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned to type on my own, but it ended up a bit bastardly.My left hand was kept on: A W E R [SPACE]And right was on: [NOTHING?
]M K L /I still managed to get around 70-80WPM (90 when I was trying to be cool and score high on those lame WPM tests).
doing this method, which sometimes involved crossing across the keyboard instead of using the closer finger.During one year of high school, I moved to a rural part of the States, and they had a required 'Computer Skills' class which had a typing portion.
I got all negative marks due to my hand positioning, posture, etc.
so I forced myself to learn how to properly type using the little on-screen program.Took about two months to fully adjust, but I learned to properly use the Home keys and not type like a lunatic.Currently I get around 90WPM, and 140WPM on those lame tests.
Facebook says 155WPM, but I don't believe that silly test ;).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31415256</id>
	<title>Re:I type Shenanigans on the OP</title>
	<author>arantius</author>
	<datestamp>1268156220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I consider myself to be only mildly above average in regards to typing speed.  A two minute test of "The Enchanted Typewriter" at typingtest.com, however shows:</p><p>Net Speed:      102 WPM<br>Accuracy:     98\%<br>Gross Speed:     104 WPM</p><p>I suspect we need a better sample.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I consider myself to be only mildly above average in regards to typing speed .
A two minute test of " The Enchanted Typewriter " at typingtest.com , however shows : Net Speed : 102 WPMAccuracy : 98 \ % Gross Speed : 104 WPMI suspect we need a better sample .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I consider myself to be only mildly above average in regards to typing speed.
A two minute test of "The Enchanted Typewriter" at typingtest.com, however shows:Net Speed:      102 WPMAccuracy:     98\%Gross Speed:     104 WPMI suspect we need a better sample.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400046</id>
	<title>Depends on how you work.</title>
	<author>Seth Kriticos</author>
	<datestamp>1268060160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are a person switching between computers a lot (like an admin), you should learn QWERTY touch typing. Touch typing is better, because you are less likely to get repetitive strain injury (pain in the hand) when you distribute the typing effort a bit more.</p><p>If you are someone like me (application developer) working on a few machines only, then you might want to go for Dvorak. I switched from QWERTY and never regretted it.</p><p>Note: retraining muscle reflexes is a relatively hard process. In the beginning you are going to type slow and trying to remember how to reach the keys with the new method. Then comes the real hard part, as you memorize the new method, the old reflexes kick in all the time. Takes a few months until you fully retrained yourself, though you can get up to speed in a few weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are a person switching between computers a lot ( like an admin ) , you should learn QWERTY touch typing .
Touch typing is better , because you are less likely to get repetitive strain injury ( pain in the hand ) when you distribute the typing effort a bit more.If you are someone like me ( application developer ) working on a few machines only , then you might want to go for Dvorak .
I switched from QWERTY and never regretted it.Note : retraining muscle reflexes is a relatively hard process .
In the beginning you are going to type slow and trying to remember how to reach the keys with the new method .
Then comes the real hard part , as you memorize the new method , the old reflexes kick in all the time .
Takes a few months until you fully retrained yourself , though you can get up to speed in a few weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are a person switching between computers a lot (like an admin), you should learn QWERTY touch typing.
Touch typing is better, because you are less likely to get repetitive strain injury (pain in the hand) when you distribute the typing effort a bit more.If you are someone like me (application developer) working on a few machines only, then you might want to go for Dvorak.
I switched from QWERTY and never regretted it.Note: retraining muscle reflexes is a relatively hard process.
In the beginning you are going to type slow and trying to remember how to reach the keys with the new method.
Then comes the real hard part, as you memorize the new method, the old reflexes kick in all the time.
Takes a few months until you fully retrained yourself, though you can get up to speed in a few weeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394556</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267961880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still suck at other peoples laptops since they have crappy keyboards. Thinkpads are pretty much the only half usable laptop keyboards that exist. Don't even get me started on mac books tiny little spaces between keys that make me feel like a 10 year old first learning to type.</p><p>The lack of productivity you will have for the first 6 months when your learning isn't worth it, then the non stop headaches you will have using any other computer in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still suck at other peoples laptops since they have crappy keyboards .
Thinkpads are pretty much the only half usable laptop keyboards that exist .
Do n't even get me started on mac books tiny little spaces between keys that make me feel like a 10 year old first learning to type.The lack of productivity you will have for the first 6 months when your learning is n't worth it , then the non stop headaches you will have using any other computer in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still suck at other peoples laptops since they have crappy keyboards.
Thinkpads are pretty much the only half usable laptop keyboards that exist.
Don't even get me started on mac books tiny little spaces between keys that make me feel like a 10 year old first learning to type.The lack of productivity you will have for the first 6 months when your learning isn't worth it, then the non stop headaches you will have using any other computer in the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394194</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398504</id>
	<title>Dear Slashdot...</title>
	<author>Lord Bitman</author>
	<datestamp>1268042220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've noticed a lot of people hold their hands rigidly and stress tiny muscles which are not naturally used often. I would like to develop carpal tunnel syndrome as part of a research project I'm doing; so, could anyone teach me to cause more stress on my hands and wrists?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've noticed a lot of people hold their hands rigidly and stress tiny muscles which are not naturally used often .
I would like to develop carpal tunnel syndrome as part of a research project I 'm doing ; so , could anyone teach me to cause more stress on my hands and wrists ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've noticed a lot of people hold their hands rigidly and stress tiny muscles which are not naturally used often.
I would like to develop carpal tunnel syndrome as part of a research project I'm doing; so, could anyone teach me to cause more stress on my hands and wrists?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394236</id>
	<title>Never been less important</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you believe the marketing folks, touch typing has never been less important now, than in the entire history of computing.</p><p>Everything is going to touch screen non-tactile smartphones, tablets, etc.  Touch typing doesn't help much on ipods/iphones.</p><p>The idea of typing anything other than "english prose" using a keyboard is dead.  All "commands" are given via mice and menus/ribbons.  The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.</p><p>Even worse, "leet txt sms speak" is the wave of the future.  If it doesn't fit in 160 characters or whatever it is, then it is literally unthinkable.</p><p>Also the tools are dying.  I can type pretty well on a clicky Model-M keyboard.  Not so well on a mushboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you believe the marketing folks , touch typing has never been less important now , than in the entire history of computing.Everything is going to touch screen non-tactile smartphones , tablets , etc .
Touch typing does n't help much on ipods/iphones.The idea of typing anything other than " english prose " using a keyboard is dead .
All " commands " are given via mice and menus/ribbons .
The concept of a " command line " is dead to 99 \ % of the population.Even worse , " leet txt sms speak " is the wave of the future .
If it does n't fit in 160 characters or whatever it is , then it is literally unthinkable.Also the tools are dying .
I can type pretty well on a clicky Model-M keyboard .
Not so well on a mushboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you believe the marketing folks, touch typing has never been less important now, than in the entire history of computing.Everything is going to touch screen non-tactile smartphones, tablets, etc.
Touch typing doesn't help much on ipods/iphones.The idea of typing anything other than "english prose" using a keyboard is dead.
All "commands" are given via mice and menus/ribbons.
The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.Even worse, "leet txt sms speak" is the wave of the future.
If it doesn't fit in 160 characters or whatever it is, then it is literally unthinkable.Also the tools are dying.
I can type pretty well on a clicky Model-M keyboard.
Not so well on a mushboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394622</id>
	<title>Ease the strain if you have discomfort</title>
	<author>codeonezero</author>
	<datestamp>1267962240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several years ago I misused my hands to the point that it was painful to type for any period of time.   I switched to dvorak to ease things on me.  And although it was a relief, it was mostly due to slowing down and being careful in my movements.   It became specially a problem when having to move back to someone else's computer to help.  So dvorak helped a bit but it was clear there were other issues.
</p><p>
So still with my problem, I spent time researching and found the very good Cornell Ergonomics site <a href="http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/" title="cornell.edu" rel="nofollow">http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/</a> [cornell.edu]
</p><p>
The two biggest problems I had were my pinky and thumb hurting from trying to use them.   In the end, instead of stretching them out like some typists recommend (they seem to forget that stressing weak muscles regularly can cause issues), I adjusted and moved my arm (big strong mucles there) with my hand so my finger would hit the key, avoided twisting my wrist, or used another finger while those two fingers recuperated.  Checked my posture frequently and looked at hand strengthening exercises.
</p><p>
This book was actually also a great resource:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1572240393/qid=1055745052/sr=8-1/ref=sr\_8\_1/002-9180898-5704857?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1572240393/qid=1055745052/sr=8-1/ref=sr\_8\_1/002-9180898-5704857?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846</a> [amazon.com]
</p><p>
I know this is probably no quite what you asked but if you feel awkward about your typing technique it's definitely worth identifying potential problems and solving them before they become a bigger problem.
</p><p>
In any case if you are at the point of discomfort you should definitely see a doctor.
</p><p>
Also slow down, there's rarely any reason to type so fast that you strain your hands to the point of discomfort/pain/awkwardness.   And listen to your body, with the need for deadlines, busy life, etc, we often ignore the little signs of warnings of "don't keep doing that".   If you can learn to listen to the signs early you can make adjustments sooner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several years ago I misused my hands to the point that it was painful to type for any period of time .
I switched to dvorak to ease things on me .
And although it was a relief , it was mostly due to slowing down and being careful in my movements .
It became specially a problem when having to move back to someone else 's computer to help .
So dvorak helped a bit but it was clear there were other issues .
So still with my problem , I spent time researching and found the very good Cornell Ergonomics site http : //ergo.human.cornell.edu/ [ cornell.edu ] The two biggest problems I had were my pinky and thumb hurting from trying to use them .
In the end , instead of stretching them out like some typists recommend ( they seem to forget that stressing weak muscles regularly can cause issues ) , I adjusted and moved my arm ( big strong mucles there ) with my hand so my finger would hit the key , avoided twisting my wrist , or used another finger while those two fingers recuperated .
Checked my posture frequently and looked at hand strengthening exercises .
This book was actually also a great resource : http : //www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1572240393/qid = 1055745052/sr = 8-1/ref = sr \ _8 \ _1/002-9180898-5704857 ? v = glance&amp;s = books&amp;n = 507846 [ amazon.com ] I know this is probably no quite what you asked but if you feel awkward about your typing technique it 's definitely worth identifying potential problems and solving them before they become a bigger problem .
In any case if you are at the point of discomfort you should definitely see a doctor .
Also slow down , there 's rarely any reason to type so fast that you strain your hands to the point of discomfort/pain/awkwardness .
And listen to your body , with the need for deadlines , busy life , etc , we often ignore the little signs of warnings of " do n't keep doing that " .
If you can learn to listen to the signs early you can make adjustments sooner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several years ago I misused my hands to the point that it was painful to type for any period of time.
I switched to dvorak to ease things on me.
And although it was a relief, it was mostly due to slowing down and being careful in my movements.
It became specially a problem when having to move back to someone else's computer to help.
So dvorak helped a bit but it was clear there were other issues.
So still with my problem, I spent time researching and found the very good Cornell Ergonomics site http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/ [cornell.edu]

The two biggest problems I had were my pinky and thumb hurting from trying to use them.
In the end, instead of stretching them out like some typists recommend (they seem to forget that stressing weak muscles regularly can cause issues), I adjusted and moved my arm (big strong mucles there) with my hand so my finger would hit the key, avoided twisting my wrist, or used another finger while those two fingers recuperated.
Checked my posture frequently and looked at hand strengthening exercises.
This book was actually also a great resource:  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1572240393/qid=1055745052/sr=8-1/ref=sr\_8\_1/002-9180898-5704857?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846 [amazon.com]

I know this is probably no quite what you asked but if you feel awkward about your typing technique it's definitely worth identifying potential problems and solving them before they become a bigger problem.
In any case if you are at the point of discomfort you should definitely see a doctor.
Also slow down, there's rarely any reason to type so fast that you strain your hands to the point of discomfort/pain/awkwardness.
And listen to your body, with the need for deadlines, busy life, etc, we often ignore the little signs of warnings of "don't keep doing that".
If you can learn to listen to the signs early you can make adjustments sooner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395288</id>
	<title>Typing of the Dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267967400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get yourself a copy of Typing of the Dead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get yourself a copy of Typing of the Dead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get yourself a copy of Typing of the Dead</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395274</id>
	<title>Mavis Beacon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267967280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Way back in the day hustling for temp work, typing speed counted. I used Mavis Beacon for DOS which drills you on touch typing - even using your pinky. Got up to about 70 WPM touch-typing - which means NOT looking at your fingers. (Which is why I'm taking your 90-110 WPM estimate with a grain of salt - MB will <i>tell you</i> what your typing speed is!) <br> <br>
Mavis Beacon's like Tetris - it's been around since 1987 and ported to every platform that counts. And it can teach Dvorak too. <br> <br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavis\_Beacon\_Teaches\_Typing" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavis\_Beacon\_Teaches\_Typing</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Way back in the day hustling for temp work , typing speed counted .
I used Mavis Beacon for DOS which drills you on touch typing - even using your pinky .
Got up to about 70 WPM touch-typing - which means NOT looking at your fingers .
( Which is why I 'm taking your 90-110 WPM estimate with a grain of salt - MB will tell you what your typing speed is !
) Mavis Beacon 's like Tetris - it 's been around since 1987 and ported to every platform that counts .
And it can teach Dvorak too .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavis \ _Beacon \ _Teaches \ _Typing [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way back in the day hustling for temp work, typing speed counted.
I used Mavis Beacon for DOS which drills you on touch typing - even using your pinky.
Got up to about 70 WPM touch-typing - which means NOT looking at your fingers.
(Which is why I'm taking your 90-110 WPM estimate with a grain of salt - MB will tell you what your typing speed is!
)  
Mavis Beacon's like Tetris - it's been around since 1987 and ported to every platform that counts.
And it can teach Dvorak too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavis\_Beacon\_Teaches\_Typing [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397056</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak is a great mind exercise. Nothing more.</title>
	<author>danlip</author>
	<datestamp>1267980360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bumps on my MacBook Pro are on the F &amp; J.  I don't think I've ever seen a keyboard where they weren't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bumps on my MacBook Pro are on the F &amp; J. I do n't think I 've ever seen a keyboard where they were n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bumps on my MacBook Pro are on the F &amp; J.  I don't think I've ever seen a keyboard where they weren't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31401444</id>
	<title>Typing technique improvement HOWTO</title>
	<author>Walles</author>
	<datestamp>1268068380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Get a Kinesis Countoured keyboard: <a href="http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm" title="kinesis-ergo.com">http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm</a> [kinesis-ergo.com]<br>2. Suffer for a couple of weeks since it feels like starting all over again.<br>3. Enjoy typing a lot faster than before.</p><p>I did it.  It works, provided you don't give up during step 2.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Get a Kinesis Countoured keyboard : http : //www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm [ kinesis-ergo.com ] 2 .
Suffer for a couple of weeks since it feels like starting all over again.3 .
Enjoy typing a lot faster than before.I did it .
It works , provided you do n't give up during step 2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Get a Kinesis Countoured keyboard: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm [kinesis-ergo.com]2.
Suffer for a couple of weeks since it feels like starting all over again.3.
Enjoy typing a lot faster than before.I did it.
It works, provided you don't give up during step 2.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394542</id>
	<title>Re:Don't bother.</title>
	<author>gbjbaanb</author>
	<datestamp>1267961700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah well I can do mush faster thanb that but I think tiot snds to make my accurewacy a bit less than oprimakl.</p><p>Hey! That reads like someone off a gaming forum. Kewl, so *now* I know what those boys are on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah well I can do mush faster thanb that but I think tiot snds to make my accurewacy a bit less than oprimakl.Hey !
That reads like someone off a gaming forum .
Kewl , so * now * I know what those boys are on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah well I can do mush faster thanb that but I think tiot snds to make my accurewacy a bit less than oprimakl.Hey!
That reads like someone off a gaming forum.
Kewl, so *now* I know what those boys are on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394210</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31405576</id>
	<title>Re:Ditch typing and go voice</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1268043900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's even perfect for online gaming sessions:</p><p><a href="http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010317" title="userfriendly.org" rel="nofollow">http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010317</a> [userfriendly.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's even perfect for online gaming sessions : http : //ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/ ? id = 20010317 [ userfriendly.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's even perfect for online gaming sessions:http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010317 [userfriendly.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394300</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397880</id>
	<title>I got a lot better when i went to Dvorak</title>
	<author>DeadRat4life</author>
	<datestamp>1267990200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was decentish with QWERTY but always wanted to get better, but i found it too hard to break my bad habits. Switched to Dvorak and got a lot better. It feels so much more efficient, when i use Q i find that some words just seem so strange to type, like the whole layout is unbalanced. The only real downside is that many typos (that i make at least) tend to form words whereas on Q they form jibberish and are caught by spellcheck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was decentish with QWERTY but always wanted to get better , but i found it too hard to break my bad habits .
Switched to Dvorak and got a lot better .
It feels so much more efficient , when i use Q i find that some words just seem so strange to type , like the whole layout is unbalanced .
The only real downside is that many typos ( that i make at least ) tend to form words whereas on Q they form jibberish and are caught by spellcheck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was decentish with QWERTY but always wanted to get better, but i found it too hard to break my bad habits.
Switched to Dvorak and got a lot better.
It feels so much more efficient, when i use Q i find that some words just seem so strange to type, like the whole layout is unbalanced.
The only real downside is that many typos (that i make at least) tend to form words whereas on Q they form jibberish and are caught by spellcheck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395020</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak isn't better</title>
	<author>ooloogi</author>
	<datestamp>1267965360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having learnt to touch type in first qwerty, and then Dvorak, it's clear that Dvorak is a significantly more relaxed and comfortable layout.  Your fingers simply don't have to move as much laterally from the home positions.   The question is whether the advantage is worth the inconvenience that comes from using a different keymap to most people, and the transition period in learning it.</p><p>However, overall the technique is more important than the layout itself: proper qwerty touch typing would be far superior to Dvorak ad-hock pecking. One advantage in learning Dvorak is that the key caps don't match the layout, but this can be replicated in qwerty by physically moving the keys around so you're not tempted to take shortcuts and look at them.  Another advantage of a new layout is it forces you to give up old bad habits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having learnt to touch type in first qwerty , and then Dvorak , it 's clear that Dvorak is a significantly more relaxed and comfortable layout .
Your fingers simply do n't have to move as much laterally from the home positions .
The question is whether the advantage is worth the inconvenience that comes from using a different keymap to most people , and the transition period in learning it.However , overall the technique is more important than the layout itself : proper qwerty touch typing would be far superior to Dvorak ad-hock pecking .
One advantage in learning Dvorak is that the key caps do n't match the layout , but this can be replicated in qwerty by physically moving the keys around so you 're not tempted to take shortcuts and look at them .
Another advantage of a new layout is it forces you to give up old bad habits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having learnt to touch type in first qwerty, and then Dvorak, it's clear that Dvorak is a significantly more relaxed and comfortable layout.
Your fingers simply don't have to move as much laterally from the home positions.
The question is whether the advantage is worth the inconvenience that comes from using a different keymap to most people, and the transition period in learning it.However, overall the technique is more important than the layout itself: proper qwerty touch typing would be far superior to Dvorak ad-hock pecking.
One advantage in learning Dvorak is that the key caps don't match the layout, but this can be replicated in qwerty by physically moving the keys around so you're not tempted to take shortcuts and look at them.
Another advantage of a new layout is it forces you to give up old bad habits.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394270</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394168</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267959780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this a medical concern, or are you trying to improve speed?</p><p>If you work in a data entry job, I guess it makes sense, but if you're actually spewing out so much code or documentation that typing speed is becoming an issue.. you're either a mad genius or producing some very poor quality code!</p><p>I honestly think when it comes to most non-data entry jobs.. quality is generally better than quantity. A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this a medical concern , or are you trying to improve speed ? If you work in a data entry job , I guess it makes sense , but if you 're actually spewing out so much code or documentation that typing speed is becoming an issue.. you 're either a mad genius or producing some very poor quality code ! I honestly think when it comes to most non-data entry jobs.. quality is generally better than quantity .
A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this a medical concern, or are you trying to improve speed?If you work in a data entry job, I guess it makes sense, but if you're actually spewing out so much code or documentation that typing speed is becoming an issue.. you're either a mad genius or producing some very poor quality code!I honestly think when it comes to most non-data entry jobs.. quality is generally better than quantity.
A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395048</id>
	<title>You already type 100?</title>
	<author>mschuyler</author>
	<datestamp>1267965540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then anything you do will slow you down, at least at first. I'm a 2-3 finger typist and I can get to 60. That's respectable and really quite fast enough for me and I cannot imagine wasting any learning time learning to be slower so I can eventually become faster. It's just not worth it. In my experience seeing people switching from a typewriter to a word procerssor, most people get a 50\% speed increase. Of course these days, most people typing on keyboards have never typed on a typewriter, so the point may be moot. If you see it as a game or a sport, none of this applies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then anything you do will slow you down , at least at first .
I 'm a 2-3 finger typist and I can get to 60 .
That 's respectable and really quite fast enough for me and I can not imagine wasting any learning time learning to be slower so I can eventually become faster .
It 's just not worth it .
In my experience seeing people switching from a typewriter to a word procerssor , most people get a 50 \ % speed increase .
Of course these days , most people typing on keyboards have never typed on a typewriter , so the point may be moot .
If you see it as a game or a sport , none of this applies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then anything you do will slow you down, at least at first.
I'm a 2-3 finger typist and I can get to 60.
That's respectable and really quite fast enough for me and I cannot imagine wasting any learning time learning to be slower so I can eventually become faster.
It's just not worth it.
In my experience seeing people switching from a typewriter to a word procerssor, most people get a 50\% speed increase.
Of course these days, most people typing on keyboards have never typed on a typewriter, so the point may be moot.
If you see it as a game or a sport, none of this applies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395328</id>
	<title>Poll?</title>
	<author>idontusenumbers</author>
	<datestamp>1267967760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like a good poll question. Do you type with the 'correct' way?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a good poll question .
Do you type with the 'correct ' way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a good poll question.
Do you type with the 'correct' way?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394732</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Dilligent</author>
	<datestamp>1267963020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be honest, same here. I'd like to think i can type pretty fast and not do a whole lot of mistakes, but i do need to correct things (which i mostly notice on the fly).</p><p>I've never tried to learn how to type properly. People told me they thought it looks really weird that i use three to four fingers on my right hand but only the index finger on my left, but it works for me.</p><p>I also like to think that looking at the keyboard (though I can type without looking at the keyboard just fine) kind of lets me think about what it is that I'm typing a bit more. Takes the eyes off the screen and focuses one on the individual words.</p><p>Been a developer for 10 years, never hurt me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , same here .
I 'd like to think i can type pretty fast and not do a whole lot of mistakes , but i do need to correct things ( which i mostly notice on the fly ) .I 've never tried to learn how to type properly .
People told me they thought it looks really weird that i use three to four fingers on my right hand but only the index finger on my left , but it works for me.I also like to think that looking at the keyboard ( though I can type without looking at the keyboard just fine ) kind of lets me think about what it is that I 'm typing a bit more .
Takes the eyes off the screen and focuses one on the individual words.Been a developer for 10 years , never hurt me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, same here.
I'd like to think i can type pretty fast and not do a whole lot of mistakes, but i do need to correct things (which i mostly notice on the fly).I've never tried to learn how to type properly.
People told me they thought it looks really weird that i use three to four fingers on my right hand but only the index finger on my left, but it works for me.I also like to think that looking at the keyboard (though I can type without looking at the keyboard just fine) kind of lets me think about what it is that I'm typing a bit more.
Takes the eyes off the screen and focuses one on the individual words.Been a developer for 10 years, never hurt me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399730</id>
	<title>Online gaming improves typing</title>
	<author>t0y0d4</author>
	<datestamp>1268058240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be honest my typing improved tremendously from playing dota and other online games where you need to type quickly in between doing other things. As for the technique, I've never not used my pinky and ring fingers. That's what felt natural to me.
But in all honesty, after playing games my typing speed goes up by about 70 wpm. At least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest my typing improved tremendously from playing dota and other online games where you need to type quickly in between doing other things .
As for the technique , I 've never not used my pinky and ring fingers .
That 's what felt natural to me .
But in all honesty , after playing games my typing speed goes up by about 70 wpm .
At least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest my typing improved tremendously from playing dota and other online games where you need to type quickly in between doing other things.
As for the technique, I've never not used my pinky and ring fingers.
That's what felt natural to me.
But in all honesty, after playing games my typing speed goes up by about 70 wpm.
At least.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394300</id>
	<title>Ditch typing and go voice</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1267960380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go voice, you won't regret it. Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go voice , you wo n't regret it .
Dear aunt , let 's set so double the killer delete select all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go voice, you won't regret it.
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394336</id>
	<title>Switch to Dvorak, worked for me.</title>
	<author>wagonlips</author>
	<datestamp>1267960560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Switching to Dvorak worked for me. As a life-long Qwerty hunter and pecker, teaching myself to touch-type on Qwerty was too difficult.</p><p>Of course, by doing so you will freak-out other people who try to use your keyboard, but I actually enjoy that. Plus, it's easy to switch back and forth.</p><p>Whatever you do, avoid discussing whether or not Dvorak or Qwerty is superior to the other. Dead-end conversation. <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/18/210216" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/18/210216</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Switching to Dvorak worked for me .
As a life-long Qwerty hunter and pecker , teaching myself to touch-type on Qwerty was too difficult.Of course , by doing so you will freak-out other people who try to use your keyboard , but I actually enjoy that .
Plus , it 's easy to switch back and forth.Whatever you do , avoid discussing whether or not Dvorak or Qwerty is superior to the other .
Dead-end conversation .
http : //hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 09/01/18/210216 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switching to Dvorak worked for me.
As a life-long Qwerty hunter and pecker, teaching myself to touch-type on Qwerty was too difficult.Of course, by doing so you will freak-out other people who try to use your keyboard, but I actually enjoy that.
Plus, it's easy to switch back and forth.Whatever you do, avoid discussing whether or not Dvorak or Qwerty is superior to the other.
Dead-end conversation.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/18/210216 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394416</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1267960920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why? How often do you actually use someone else's computer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
How often do you actually use someone else 's computer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
How often do you actually use someone else's computer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394756</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak isn't better</title>
	<author>Waffle Iron</author>
	<datestamp>1267963140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another thing to consider is that if you're a software developer, the mapping of the alphabet keys is almost irrelevant. I hardly ever type whole words; I type a couple of characters then the autocomplete key. Other than that, it's mostly punctuation.</p><p>Since almost all the symbol keys are awkward to reach, I've done lots of modifications to my vim profile to accelerate the coding symbols and sequences I use most, and I've mapped them to the most easily typed key sequences. That's far more significant to me than the letter layout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to consider is that if you 're a software developer , the mapping of the alphabet keys is almost irrelevant .
I hardly ever type whole words ; I type a couple of characters then the autocomplete key .
Other than that , it 's mostly punctuation.Since almost all the symbol keys are awkward to reach , I 've done lots of modifications to my vim profile to accelerate the coding symbols and sequences I use most , and I 've mapped them to the most easily typed key sequences .
That 's far more significant to me than the letter layout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to consider is that if you're a software developer, the mapping of the alphabet keys is almost irrelevant.
I hardly ever type whole words; I type a couple of characters then the autocomplete key.
Other than that, it's mostly punctuation.Since almost all the symbol keys are awkward to reach, I've done lots of modifications to my vim profile to accelerate the coding symbols and sequences I use most, and I've mapped them to the most easily typed key sequences.
That's far more significant to me than the letter layout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398068</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>ebuck</author>
	<datestamp>1268079300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why? How often do you actually use someone else's computer?</p></div><p>Every time I go to work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
How often do you actually use someone else 's computer ? Every time I go to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
How often do you actually use someone else's computer?Every time I go to work.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400340</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only way to get your typing up to 110 wpm is assiduous practice with a metronome. If you don't have proper technique, I doubt your speed is even half what you claim.</p><p>If the speed you have is sufficient for your requirement, it's almost certainly not worth trying to correct a technique developed over a long period of time. If the concern is health, maybe see a good occupational therapist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only way to get your typing up to 110 wpm is assiduous practice with a metronome .
If you do n't have proper technique , I doubt your speed is even half what you claim.If the speed you have is sufficient for your requirement , it 's almost certainly not worth trying to correct a technique developed over a long period of time .
If the concern is health , maybe see a good occupational therapist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only way to get your typing up to 110 wpm is assiduous practice with a metronome.
If you don't have proper technique, I doubt your speed is even half what you claim.If the speed you have is sufficient for your requirement, it's almost certainly not worth trying to correct a technique developed over a long period of time.
If the concern is health, maybe see a good occupational therapist?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400432</id>
	<title>Re:How is this important?</title>
	<author>pastafazou</author>
	<datestamp>1268062680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm pretty sure he measured his typing speed by limiting the words he typed during the test to "a, I, as, is, me, la, we".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure he measured his typing speed by limiting the words he typed during the test to " a , I , as , is , me , la , we " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure he measured his typing speed by limiting the words he typed during the test to "a, I, as, is, me, la, we".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396122</id>
	<title>Dvorak...sure!</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1267972800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Should I switch to Dvorak and pretty much learn typing from scratch, but properly this time?</p><p>Yes.  This is what I did.</p><p>Since I already had my qwerty technique down cold from childhood, my Dvorak technique was completely different, and easy to separate.</p><p>If your goal is to be good at typing, don't waste your time with an outmoded technique.  Qwerty is just a variation of alphabetical.  Since it's so common, you'll never forget Qwerty.  But you'll pick up Dvorak in a couple of weeks.</p><p>After a couple months, you'll remember both.  The only sticking point is special keys (brackets, parens, quotes, etc.)  But whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Should I switch to Dvorak and pretty much learn typing from scratch , but properly this time ? Yes .
This is what I did.Since I already had my qwerty technique down cold from childhood , my Dvorak technique was completely different , and easy to separate.If your goal is to be good at typing , do n't waste your time with an outmoded technique .
Qwerty is just a variation of alphabetical .
Since it 's so common , you 'll never forget Qwerty .
But you 'll pick up Dvorak in a couple of weeks.After a couple months , you 'll remember both .
The only sticking point is special keys ( brackets , parens , quotes , etc .
) But whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Should I switch to Dvorak and pretty much learn typing from scratch, but properly this time?Yes.
This is what I did.Since I already had my qwerty technique down cold from childhood, my Dvorak technique was completely different, and easy to separate.If your goal is to be good at typing, don't waste your time with an outmoded technique.
Qwerty is just a variation of alphabetical.
Since it's so common, you'll never forget Qwerty.
But you'll pick up Dvorak in a couple of weeks.After a couple months, you'll remember both.
The only sticking point is special keys (brackets, parens, quotes, etc.
)  But whatever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400008</id>
	<title>Re:-1, uncomfortable truth</title>
	<author>sebster</author>
	<datestamp>1268059800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a touch typist and type around 70-90 WPM on a qwerty keyboard. I hadn't improved in years (even though I trained using typing programs). So I figured I'd give Dvorak a try.</p><p>After about 6 weeks I was up to around 75 WPM on Dvorak, but I stopped improving after that. I kept at it for another month or two, but never got back to my old qwerty speed.</p><p>Furthermore, the worst thing was that I started to get RSI like symptoms in my right hand from the Dvorak setup, something which I never ever had before, even with very extended periods of very intensive qwerty keyboard usage. So I switched back. Fortunately it took hardly any effort to get back to my old speed and the RSI symptoms disappeared.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a touch typist and type around 70-90 WPM on a qwerty keyboard .
I had n't improved in years ( even though I trained using typing programs ) .
So I figured I 'd give Dvorak a try.After about 6 weeks I was up to around 75 WPM on Dvorak , but I stopped improving after that .
I kept at it for another month or two , but never got back to my old qwerty speed.Furthermore , the worst thing was that I started to get RSI like symptoms in my right hand from the Dvorak setup , something which I never ever had before , even with very extended periods of very intensive qwerty keyboard usage .
So I switched back .
Fortunately it took hardly any effort to get back to my old speed and the RSI symptoms disappeared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a touch typist and type around 70-90 WPM on a qwerty keyboard.
I hadn't improved in years (even though I trained using typing programs).
So I figured I'd give Dvorak a try.After about 6 weeks I was up to around 75 WPM on Dvorak, but I stopped improving after that.
I kept at it for another month or two, but never got back to my old qwerty speed.Furthermore, the worst thing was that I started to get RSI like symptoms in my right hand from the Dvorak setup, something which I never ever had before, even with very extended periods of very intensive qwerty keyboard usage.
So I switched back.
Fortunately it took hardly any effort to get back to my old speed and the RSI symptoms disappeared.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394174</id>
	<title>Dvorak</title>
	<author>MortenMW</author>
	<datestamp>1267959780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Switch to dvorak, then go back to qwerty. If its still not fast enough, go to azerty and then back to qwerty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switch to dvorak , then go back to qwerty .
If its still not fast enough , go to azerty and then back to qwerty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switch to dvorak, then go back to qwerty.
If its still not fast enough, go to azerty and then back to qwerty.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400546</id>
	<title>Interesting question.</title>
	<author>mindstrm</author>
	<datestamp>1268063460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First - need to know what your motivation is here - is it just to type faster, to type the way a textbook says you should, or because you are concerned about your hands cramping up and/or future medical conditions?</p><p>80-110wpm, if that's accurate, is respectably way above average and up in the range of us "fast typists"... you probably type faster than just about everyone you meet.</p><p>If you are concerned about technique from textbooks and matching that - don't do anything other than give it a try - I'm a classical touch-typist, but I certainly don't follow all the rules, and I've adapted to what works for me.  The teacher back in high school might have called it wrong, but finishing the 1 hour final exam in 8 minutes and leaving spoke for itself.</p><p>If it's speed and/or medical - go for layout, position, - I can use my Model-M clone, to the annoyance of half my co-workers (the other half also have them). and find I can type longer without getting tired - but it's noisy. I'd like to give Dvorak a crack one month when I have the free time.</p><p>I also find I can type quite well on those new little apple chicklet keyboards - much to my surprise, I thought I would hate them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First - need to know what your motivation is here - is it just to type faster , to type the way a textbook says you should , or because you are concerned about your hands cramping up and/or future medical conditions ? 80-110wpm , if that 's accurate , is respectably way above average and up in the range of us " fast typists " ... you probably type faster than just about everyone you meet.If you are concerned about technique from textbooks and matching that - do n't do anything other than give it a try - I 'm a classical touch-typist , but I certainly do n't follow all the rules , and I 've adapted to what works for me .
The teacher back in high school might have called it wrong , but finishing the 1 hour final exam in 8 minutes and leaving spoke for itself.If it 's speed and/or medical - go for layout , position , - I can use my Model-M clone , to the annoyance of half my co-workers ( the other half also have them ) .
and find I can type longer without getting tired - but it 's noisy .
I 'd like to give Dvorak a crack one month when I have the free time.I also find I can type quite well on those new little apple chicklet keyboards - much to my surprise , I thought I would hate them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First - need to know what your motivation is here - is it just to type faster, to type the way a textbook says you should, or because you are concerned about your hands cramping up and/or future medical conditions?80-110wpm, if that's accurate, is respectably way above average and up in the range of us "fast typists"... you probably type faster than just about everyone you meet.If you are concerned about technique from textbooks and matching that - don't do anything other than give it a try - I'm a classical touch-typist, but I certainly don't follow all the rules, and I've adapted to what works for me.
The teacher back in high school might have called it wrong, but finishing the 1 hour final exam in 8 minutes and leaving spoke for itself.If it's speed and/or medical - go for layout, position, - I can use my Model-M clone, to the annoyance of half my co-workers (the other half also have them).
and find I can type longer without getting tired - but it's noisy.
I'd like to give Dvorak a crack one month when I have the free time.I also find I can type quite well on those new little apple chicklet keyboards - much to my surprise, I thought I would hate them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395652</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267969860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you can always buy a daskeyboard. It has the old style gold plated mechanical switches under each key. Just like the old ibm model-m</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you can always buy a daskeyboard .
It has the old style gold plated mechanical switches under each key .
Just like the old ibm model-m</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can always buy a daskeyboard.
It has the old style gold plated mechanical switches under each key.
Just like the old ibm model-m</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395574</id>
	<title>Shortcut keys = deal breaker</title>
	<author>UNFAIRMAN</author>
	<datestamp>1267969380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I changed my key caps and switch to the Dvorak layout for a couple of months. After 2 weeks I was up to speed, and found it seamless to switch between QWERTY and Dvorak.</p><p>The killer was the shortcut keys. Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V were chosen more for their proximity on the QWERTY keyboard than for the letters they represent. I know the shortcut keys from muscle memory of their locations, not from the underlying letter keys. Even simple cutting and pasting is painful on Dvorak, and more advanced shortcut keys are a nightmare.</p><p>We may all lament the lack of foresight when the first IBM PC designers chose to use the stock QWERTY keyboard, but there was another opportunity at the dawn of the GUI. Had the assignment of shortcut keys been made location specific and layout independent, the switch to Dvorak or any other layout would have been a simple personal choice; but that day has come and gone.</p><p>I've no doubt your raw WPM will go up after a couple weeks of Dvorak use, but I'll bet your overall productivity goes down. You will either struggle with shortcut keys of find yourself resorting to using the mouse for menu selections.</p><p>I reluctantly quit Dvorak and went back to QWERTY.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I changed my key caps and switch to the Dvorak layout for a couple of months .
After 2 weeks I was up to speed , and found it seamless to switch between QWERTY and Dvorak.The killer was the shortcut keys .
Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V were chosen more for their proximity on the QWERTY keyboard than for the letters they represent .
I know the shortcut keys from muscle memory of their locations , not from the underlying letter keys .
Even simple cutting and pasting is painful on Dvorak , and more advanced shortcut keys are a nightmare.We may all lament the lack of foresight when the first IBM PC designers chose to use the stock QWERTY keyboard , but there was another opportunity at the dawn of the GUI .
Had the assignment of shortcut keys been made location specific and layout independent , the switch to Dvorak or any other layout would have been a simple personal choice ; but that day has come and gone.I 've no doubt your raw WPM will go up after a couple weeks of Dvorak use , but I 'll bet your overall productivity goes down .
You will either struggle with shortcut keys of find yourself resorting to using the mouse for menu selections.I reluctantly quit Dvorak and went back to QWERTY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I changed my key caps and switch to the Dvorak layout for a couple of months.
After 2 weeks I was up to speed, and found it seamless to switch between QWERTY and Dvorak.The killer was the shortcut keys.
Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V were chosen more for their proximity on the QWERTY keyboard than for the letters they represent.
I know the shortcut keys from muscle memory of their locations, not from the underlying letter keys.
Even simple cutting and pasting is painful on Dvorak, and more advanced shortcut keys are a nightmare.We may all lament the lack of foresight when the first IBM PC designers chose to use the stock QWERTY keyboard, but there was another opportunity at the dawn of the GUI.
Had the assignment of shortcut keys been made location specific and layout independent, the switch to Dvorak or any other layout would have been a simple personal choice; but that day has come and gone.I've no doubt your raw WPM will go up after a couple weeks of Dvorak use, but I'll bet your overall productivity goes down.
You will either struggle with shortcut keys of find yourself resorting to using the mouse for menu selections.I reluctantly quit Dvorak and went back to QWERTY.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394434</id>
	<title>You should definitely switch</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1267960980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use Dvorak, and take typing lessons.</p><p>If that doesn't work, try voice recognition.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use Dvorak , and take typing lessons.If that does n't work , try voice recognition .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use Dvorak, and take typing lessons.If that doesn't work, try voice recognition.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394828</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Simon80</author>
	<datestamp>1267963920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The why is irrelevant - if there's some obvious improvement to make, the question is why not? As for the OP, I suggest typing "improvement" repeatedly, until the habit is broken and your pinky types the p when you're not paying attention. Whenever you catch your ring finger typing e.g. a p or q, just type that word in a few times using the right technique, to reinforce the habit. I wouldn't know though, my ring fingers are still out in force - they're an inch longer than my pinkies, so it's hard to quit using them for things like backspace, at the very least. After looking at what my wrist does in both cases, I think I probably should make more of an effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The why is irrelevant - if there 's some obvious improvement to make , the question is why not ?
As for the OP , I suggest typing " improvement " repeatedly , until the habit is broken and your pinky types the p when you 're not paying attention .
Whenever you catch your ring finger typing e.g .
a p or q , just type that word in a few times using the right technique , to reinforce the habit .
I would n't know though , my ring fingers are still out in force - they 're an inch longer than my pinkies , so it 's hard to quit using them for things like backspace , at the very least .
After looking at what my wrist does in both cases , I think I probably should make more of an effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The why is irrelevant - if there's some obvious improvement to make, the question is why not?
As for the OP, I suggest typing "improvement" repeatedly, until the habit is broken and your pinky types the p when you're not paying attention.
Whenever you catch your ring finger typing e.g.
a p or q, just type that word in a few times using the right technique, to reinforce the habit.
I wouldn't know though, my ring fingers are still out in force - they're an inch longer than my pinkies, so it's hard to quit using them for things like backspace, at the very least.
After looking at what my wrist does in both cases, I think I probably should make more of an effort.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398244</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak is a great mind exercise. Nothing more.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268081460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now personally, I find my biggest pet peeve is how the bumps on a PC keyboards are not on the D and K keys like they were on my Mac.</p></div><p>A Macintosh IS a <b>P</b>ersonal <b>C</b>omputer. The vast majority of the industry places the bumps on the f/j keys, regardless what OS or hardware platform is in use, Apple just likes to be "the rebel" sometimes. If it bothers you that much, just use your Apple keyboard on your other systems, or pop the caps off the keys and switch them up.</p><p>Besides, the bumps aren't there to position your hands vertically; you find the right row by placing your thumbs on the spacebar and skipping up from there, and after you've used a keyboard for a while your finger should naturally rest on the correct row when you put your thumbs on the spacebar. The bumps help you position your fingers horizontally once you've found the home row.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now personally , I find my biggest pet peeve is how the bumps on a PC keyboards are not on the D and K keys like they were on my Mac.A Macintosh IS a Personal Computer .
The vast majority of the industry places the bumps on the f/j keys , regardless what OS or hardware platform is in use , Apple just likes to be " the rebel " sometimes .
If it bothers you that much , just use your Apple keyboard on your other systems , or pop the caps off the keys and switch them up.Besides , the bumps are n't there to position your hands vertically ; you find the right row by placing your thumbs on the spacebar and skipping up from there , and after you 've used a keyboard for a while your finger should naturally rest on the correct row when you put your thumbs on the spacebar .
The bumps help you position your fingers horizontally once you 've found the home row .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now personally, I find my biggest pet peeve is how the bumps on a PC keyboards are not on the D and K keys like they were on my Mac.A Macintosh IS a Personal Computer.
The vast majority of the industry places the bumps on the f/j keys, regardless what OS or hardware platform is in use, Apple just likes to be "the rebel" sometimes.
If it bothers you that much, just use your Apple keyboard on your other systems, or pop the caps off the keys and switch them up.Besides, the bumps aren't there to position your hands vertically; you find the right row by placing your thumbs on the spacebar and skipping up from there, and after you've used a keyboard for a while your finger should naturally rest on the correct row when you put your thumbs on the spacebar.
The bumps help you position your fingers horizontally once you've found the home row.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395806</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397622</id>
	<title>split keyboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267986600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I wanted to correct/improve my typing I purchased a split keyboard. It made me refocus and made it difficult to cross over. I generally realigned everything and found it helpful. Can't guarantee anything, but might be worth a try. Oh, and I got one of those "natural keyboards" that are not merely flat and split, but have the hump in the middle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I wanted to correct/improve my typing I purchased a split keyboard .
It made me refocus and made it difficult to cross over .
I generally realigned everything and found it helpful .
Ca n't guarantee anything , but might be worth a try .
Oh , and I got one of those " natural keyboards " that are not merely flat and split , but have the hump in the middle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I wanted to correct/improve my typing I purchased a split keyboard.
It made me refocus and made it difficult to cross over.
I generally realigned everything and found it helpful.
Can't guarantee anything, but might be worth a try.
Oh, and I got one of those "natural keyboards" that are not merely flat and split, but have the hump in the middle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397084</id>
	<title>typing is typing</title>
	<author>icepick72</author>
	<datestamp>1267980600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not "broken" typing; it's conformist typing. Min 90 words per minute sounds great. Why do you want to conform to what everybody else does? Why do you need to?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not " broken " typing ; it 's conformist typing .
Min 90 words per minute sounds great .
Why do you want to conform to what everybody else does ?
Why do you need to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not "broken" typing; it's conformist typing.
Min 90 words per minute sounds great.
Why do you want to conform to what everybody else does?
Why do you need to?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398140</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>Rennt</author>
	<datestamp>1268080260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not a bad idea you know. I was in the exact same situation as the submitter, and found it really hard to drop certain bad habits.</p><p>I switched to dvorak layout on a qwerty keyboard, which enforces proper typing discipline. Once I had that down (only took a couple of weeks) then switched back to qwerty for good. Those two weeks of dvorak taught me more about typing then 20 years of qwerty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not a bad idea you know .
I was in the exact same situation as the submitter , and found it really hard to drop certain bad habits.I switched to dvorak layout on a qwerty keyboard , which enforces proper typing discipline .
Once I had that down ( only took a couple of weeks ) then switched back to qwerty for good .
Those two weeks of dvorak taught me more about typing then 20 years of qwerty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not a bad idea you know.
I was in the exact same situation as the submitter, and found it really hard to drop certain bad habits.I switched to dvorak layout on a qwerty keyboard, which enforces proper typing discipline.
Once I had that down (only took a couple of weeks) then switched back to qwerty for good.
Those two weeks of dvorak taught me more about typing then 20 years of qwerty.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31401560</id>
	<title>Bullshit!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268068860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The person who submited the article is bullshiting us all. I use all 10 fingers corecctly (i was tought in class how to properly type) and my typing speed is, after useing it for 7 years is at 45 wpm (I dont practice mush tho)(I tested my selfe on and english site, with english words, even tho this is not my primary language), and claims that he can type twice as fast as me, with out using all of his fingers corectly. I call that &#252;ber bullshit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The person who submited the article is bullshiting us all .
I use all 10 fingers corecctly ( i was tought in class how to properly type ) and my typing speed is , after useing it for 7 years is at 45 wpm ( I dont practice mush tho ) ( I tested my selfe on and english site , with english words , even tho this is not my primary language ) , and claims that he can type twice as fast as me , with out using all of his fingers corectly .
I call that   ber bullshit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The person who submited the article is bullshiting us all.
I use all 10 fingers corecctly (i was tought in class how to properly type) and my typing speed is, after useing it for 7 years is at 45 wpm (I dont practice mush tho)(I tested my selfe on and english site, with english words, even tho this is not my primary language), and claims that he can type twice as fast as me, with out using all of his fingers corectly.
I call that über bullshit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395982</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267972020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The idea of typing anything other than "english prose" using a keyboard is dead.  All "commands" are given via mice and menus/ribbons.  The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.</p></div><p>You think so? You don't use Ctrl-C, Shift-Del, Ctrl-A, or even just Del/Home/End? It's amazing 99\% of the world gets anything done at all!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea of typing anything other than " english prose " using a keyboard is dead .
All " commands " are given via mice and menus/ribbons .
The concept of a " command line " is dead to 99 \ % of the population.You think so ?
You do n't use Ctrl-C , Shift-Del , Ctrl-A , or even just Del/Home/End ?
It 's amazing 99 \ % of the world gets anything done at all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea of typing anything other than "english prose" using a keyboard is dead.
All "commands" are given via mice and menus/ribbons.
The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.You think so?
You don't use Ctrl-C, Shift-Del, Ctrl-A, or even just Del/Home/End?
It's amazing 99\% of the world gets anything done at all!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394236</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398576</id>
	<title>Re:Use a qwerty touch typing program</title>
	<author>kf6auf</author>
	<datestamp>1268043300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>64.0wpm should be enough for anyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>64.0wpm should be enough for anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>64.0wpm should be enough for anyone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394694</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394216</id>
	<title>Suicide is your only option</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have a shotgun mouthwash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have a shotgun mouthwash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have a shotgun mouthwash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395580</id>
	<title>Anonymous reader</title>
	<author>fuego451</author>
	<datestamp>1267969440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can really type 90-110 wpm using improper technique, you are already typing faster than 99.99\% of professional typists. I'd call out just about anyone who claims they can type more than 65 wpm or so.</p><p>Oh, and there are plenty of places on the web where you can learn proper technique. After that, it's just practice.</p><p>Damn, it took me five minutes to type this and I don't care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can really type 90-110 wpm using improper technique , you are already typing faster than 99.99 \ % of professional typists .
I 'd call out just about anyone who claims they can type more than 65 wpm or so.Oh , and there are plenty of places on the web where you can learn proper technique .
After that , it 's just practice.Damn , it took me five minutes to type this and I do n't care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can really type 90-110 wpm using improper technique, you are already typing faster than 99.99\% of professional typists.
I'd call out just about anyone who claims they can type more than 65 wpm or so.Oh, and there are plenty of places on the web where you can learn proper technique.
After that, it's just practice.Damn, it took me five minutes to type this and I don't care.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398380</id>
	<title>Poor typing technique</title>
	<author>tchall</author>
	<datestamp>1268040600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd suggest you take your 90+ WPM and enjoy life... you're typing faster than most folks will ever be able to match.

Something to consider though, is that the QWERTY keyboard is DESIGNED to slow the typist down... The early mechanical typewriters had a finite time lag between keypress, the strike of the key against the ribbon and the spring assisted recovery of the mechanical linkage...

Putting up several keys at once by typing faster than the mechanism could jam up the typewriter and delay the typist while they untangled the mess...

The key assignment in the QWERTY keyboard is designed to put the most commonly used letters EATION SHRDLU in positions that help maintain a good rhythm within those mechanical limitations.

The fact that some typists manage in excess of 200 WPM despite that original design criteria is nothing short of amazing...

My advice... keep doing what you're doing...  the rest of us are lucky if we hit 60 WPM on a good day  Best I ever tested was 65.... My cruising speed is more in the 25-35 WPM range when I'm composing as I go...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest you take your 90 + WPM and enjoy life... you 're typing faster than most folks will ever be able to match .
Something to consider though , is that the QWERTY keyboard is DESIGNED to slow the typist down... The early mechanical typewriters had a finite time lag between keypress , the strike of the key against the ribbon and the spring assisted recovery of the mechanical linkage.. . Putting up several keys at once by typing faster than the mechanism could jam up the typewriter and delay the typist while they untangled the mess.. . The key assignment in the QWERTY keyboard is designed to put the most commonly used letters EATION SHRDLU in positions that help maintain a good rhythm within those mechanical limitations .
The fact that some typists manage in excess of 200 WPM despite that original design criteria is nothing short of amazing.. . My advice... keep doing what you 're doing... the rest of us are lucky if we hit 60 WPM on a good day Best I ever tested was 65.... My cruising speed is more in the 25-35 WPM range when I 'm composing as I go.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest you take your 90+ WPM and enjoy life... you're typing faster than most folks will ever be able to match.
Something to consider though, is that the QWERTY keyboard is DESIGNED to slow the typist down... The early mechanical typewriters had a finite time lag between keypress, the strike of the key against the ribbon and the spring assisted recovery of the mechanical linkage...

Putting up several keys at once by typing faster than the mechanism could jam up the typewriter and delay the typist while they untangled the mess...

The key assignment in the QWERTY keyboard is designed to put the most commonly used letters EATION SHRDLU in positions that help maintain a good rhythm within those mechanical limitations.
The fact that some typists manage in excess of 200 WPM despite that original design criteria is nothing short of amazing...

My advice... keep doing what you're doing...  the rest of us are lucky if we hit 60 WPM on a good day  Best I ever tested was 65.... My cruising speed is more in the 25-35 WPM range when I'm composing as I go...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31435090</id>
	<title>An actual response to the OP....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268250600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since a lot of people just deride the OP (without bothering to read or understand his question) here's an actual response.</p><p>http://www.df7cb.de/projects/10finger/</p><p>I found a map like the above helped me improve my proper touch typing technique (being able to visualize which finger should be doing what). Also a split keyboard can force you to correct finger misuse down the middle (I once discovered I had been typing the "t" or "y" with the opposite hand).</p><p>Also Dvorak may or may not help you. I transitioned to Dvorak some five or six year ago and can transition back to Qwerty fairly well. I don't think switching to Dvorak actually helped me with proper typing technique, but when I switched to "Classic Dvorak" that helped a lot with the number/symbol keys. People claim Dvorak improves speed, and the record holding typist types in Dvorak, but I mainly just use it to 1) up the nerd cred, and 2) hopefully reduce repetitive motion issues as it does reduce the amount your fingers need to travel on average.</p><p>Oh, and to all the people that think typing 80-100 is super human, get a typing program. Depending on source and keyboard I've been typing at this range (verified with typing programs multiple times) since late high school (in qwerty) and have re-tested in Dvorak.</p><p>Cheers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since a lot of people just deride the OP ( without bothering to read or understand his question ) here 's an actual response.http : //www.df7cb.de/projects/10finger/I found a map like the above helped me improve my proper touch typing technique ( being able to visualize which finger should be doing what ) .
Also a split keyboard can force you to correct finger misuse down the middle ( I once discovered I had been typing the " t " or " y " with the opposite hand ) .Also Dvorak may or may not help you .
I transitioned to Dvorak some five or six year ago and can transition back to Qwerty fairly well .
I do n't think switching to Dvorak actually helped me with proper typing technique , but when I switched to " Classic Dvorak " that helped a lot with the number/symbol keys .
People claim Dvorak improves speed , and the record holding typist types in Dvorak , but I mainly just use it to 1 ) up the nerd cred , and 2 ) hopefully reduce repetitive motion issues as it does reduce the amount your fingers need to travel on average.Oh , and to all the people that think typing 80-100 is super human , get a typing program .
Depending on source and keyboard I 've been typing at this range ( verified with typing programs multiple times ) since late high school ( in qwerty ) and have re-tested in Dvorak.Cheers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since a lot of people just deride the OP (without bothering to read or understand his question) here's an actual response.http://www.df7cb.de/projects/10finger/I found a map like the above helped me improve my proper touch typing technique (being able to visualize which finger should be doing what).
Also a split keyboard can force you to correct finger misuse down the middle (I once discovered I had been typing the "t" or "y" with the opposite hand).Also Dvorak may or may not help you.
I transitioned to Dvorak some five or six year ago and can transition back to Qwerty fairly well.
I don't think switching to Dvorak actually helped me with proper typing technique, but when I switched to "Classic Dvorak" that helped a lot with the number/symbol keys.
People claim Dvorak improves speed, and the record holding typist types in Dvorak, but I mainly just use it to 1) up the nerd cred, and 2) hopefully reduce repetitive motion issues as it does reduce the amount your fingers need to travel on average.Oh, and to all the people that think typing 80-100 is super human, get a typing program.
Depending on source and keyboard I've been typing at this range (verified with typing programs multiple times) since late high school (in qwerty) and have re-tested in Dvorak.Cheers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397906</id>
	<title>is typing speed relevant to your job?</title>
	<author>sog\_abq</author>
	<datestamp>1267990800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a professional software engineer, I find that typing speed is mostly irrelevant to my job.  Autocomplete makes up for any perceived slowness and lack of technique.  For me (as an eclipse user) its mostly 4 or 5 characters then crtl-space and BAM! big long disgustingly verbose variable and function names.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a professional software engineer , I find that typing speed is mostly irrelevant to my job .
Autocomplete makes up for any perceived slowness and lack of technique .
For me ( as an eclipse user ) its mostly 4 or 5 characters then crtl-space and BAM !
big long disgustingly verbose variable and function names .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a professional software engineer, I find that typing speed is mostly irrelevant to my job.
Autocomplete makes up for any perceived slowness and lack of technique.
For me (as an eclipse user) its mostly 4 or 5 characters then crtl-space and BAM!
big long disgustingly verbose variable and function names.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395096</id>
	<title>What is there to gain?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267965840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Honestly, I do touch-type. Had to learn it in school. But it leads to me often typing faster than thinking, quite frankly not the best thing there is.</p><p>Seriously, though. What is there to gain from faster typing speeds? I'd agree that you should speed up if we're talking 10-20wpm. 100 wpm average is quite ok for almost all applications I could possibly think of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , I do touch-type .
Had to learn it in school .
But it leads to me often typing faster than thinking , quite frankly not the best thing there is.Seriously , though .
What is there to gain from faster typing speeds ?
I 'd agree that you should speed up if we 're talking 10-20wpm .
100 wpm average is quite ok for almost all applications I could possibly think of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, I do touch-type.
Had to learn it in school.
But it leads to me often typing faster than thinking, quite frankly not the best thing there is.Seriously, though.
What is there to gain from faster typing speeds?
I'd agree that you should speed up if we're talking 10-20wpm.
100 wpm average is quite ok for almost all applications I could possibly think of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394318</id>
	<title>I was in the same situation</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1267960440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in this situation many many years ago in that I hadn't learnt to type properly and just did what came natural even though it was fast.</p><p>I decided I wanted to type properly anyway though, and just spent a few hours on Mavis Beacon's typing tutor app to get an idea of what the right keys are. After that I just made a concious effort each type I sat down at the keyboard to put my fingers on the correct initial keys. It really just came naturally after that- it wasn't a big deal, again, just a few hours with a typing app was enough to let me figure out how it was supposed to be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in this situation many many years ago in that I had n't learnt to type properly and just did what came natural even though it was fast.I decided I wanted to type properly anyway though , and just spent a few hours on Mavis Beacon 's typing tutor app to get an idea of what the right keys are .
After that I just made a concious effort each type I sat down at the keyboard to put my fingers on the correct initial keys .
It really just came naturally after that- it was n't a big deal , again , just a few hours with a typing app was enough to let me figure out how it was supposed to be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in this situation many many years ago in that I hadn't learnt to type properly and just did what came natural even though it was fast.I decided I wanted to type properly anyway though, and just spent a few hours on Mavis Beacon's typing tutor app to get an idea of what the right keys are.
After that I just made a concious effort each type I sat down at the keyboard to put my fingers on the correct initial keys.
It really just came naturally after that- it wasn't a big deal, again, just a few hours with a typing app was enough to let me figure out how it was supposed to be done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395764</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267970640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you touch type at another person&rsquo;s laptop? It&rsquo;s a laptop! Move it!<br>And how much of a loser does one have to be to be so ashamed of one&rsquo;s own choices, even when they are clearly superior? Just to be in the mass of dumb cattle who always go with the default that &ldquo;everyone does&rdquo;? (See the circular logic in that argument?)<br>No thanks!</p><p>I don&rsquo;t refrain from learning a custom layout because of someone else not doing so too. I try to be a role model so that they choose my new layout!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>If everybody imitates off of everybody else, there has to be someone who started it. My goal is to be that guy. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you touch type at another person    s laptop ?
It    s a laptop !
Move it ! And how much of a loser does one have to be to be so ashamed of one    s own choices , even when they are clearly superior ?
Just to be in the mass of dumb cattle who always go with the default that    everyone does    ?
( See the circular logic in that argument ?
) No thanks ! I don    t refrain from learning a custom layout because of someone else not doing so too .
I try to be a role model so that they choose my new layout !
: ) If everybody imitates off of everybody else , there has to be someone who started it .
My goal is to be that guy .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you touch type at another person’s laptop?
It’s a laptop!
Move it!And how much of a loser does one have to be to be so ashamed of one’s own choices, even when they are clearly superior?
Just to be in the mass of dumb cattle who always go with the default that “everyone does”?
(See the circular logic in that argument?
)No thanks!I don’t refrain from learning a custom layout because of someone else not doing so too.
I try to be a role model so that they choose my new layout!
:)If everybody imitates off of everybody else, there has to be someone who started it.
My goal is to be that guy.
^^</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396562</id>
	<title>Uh, no</title>
	<author>mnemonic\_</author>
	<datestamp>1267976040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Learning french doesn't mean you forget english.  I've been a full time Dvorak user for six years, except for public terminals at university and public library computers.  They all use qwerty, and I type on them nearly as well as in Dvorak (maybe 70 wpm versus 80-90 wpm on Dvorak).  I <i>have</i> lost some speed in qwerty, but the comfort and lower chance of RSI is well worth using a non-standard layout.  Reaching 70 wpm in qwerty is hardly crippled typing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Learning french does n't mean you forget english .
I 've been a full time Dvorak user for six years , except for public terminals at university and public library computers .
They all use qwerty , and I type on them nearly as well as in Dvorak ( maybe 70 wpm versus 80-90 wpm on Dvorak ) .
I have lost some speed in qwerty , but the comfort and lower chance of RSI is well worth using a non-standard layout .
Reaching 70 wpm in qwerty is hardly crippled typing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Learning french doesn't mean you forget english.
I've been a full time Dvorak user for six years, except for public terminals at university and public library computers.
They all use qwerty, and I type on them nearly as well as in Dvorak (maybe 70 wpm versus 80-90 wpm on Dvorak).
I have lost some speed in qwerty, but the comfort and lower chance of RSI is well worth using a non-standard layout.
Reaching 70 wpm in qwerty is hardly crippled typing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31401020</id>
	<title>You need more practice</title>
	<author>tompaulco</author>
	<datestamp>1268065980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody can type 90-110 words per hour. Oh, wait, you weren't talking about texting were you. Texting is really awesome though. Why some of the fastest texters are able to get speeds as high as the average hunt and peck typist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody can type 90-110 words per hour .
Oh , wait , you were n't talking about texting were you .
Texting is really awesome though .
Why some of the fastest texters are able to get speeds as high as the average hunt and peck typist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody can type 90-110 words per hour.
Oh, wait, you weren't talking about texting were you.
Texting is really awesome though.
Why some of the fastest texters are able to get speeds as high as the average hunt and peck typist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396334</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>BionicToad</author>
	<datestamp>1267974300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have written you a shorter letter, but I didn't have the time.</p><p>- Blaise Pascal</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have written you a shorter letter , but I did n't have the time.- Blaise Pascal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have written you a shorter letter, but I didn't have the time.- Blaise Pascal</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395102</id>
	<title>Self discipline, one key at a time.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1267965900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was once a very good touch typist but over the years I found that I had gotten sloppy.  The only way to really get myself back into typing trim was to discipline myself to use the right finger for the right key and I found I had to start with the enter key, of all things. I had to reteach myself not to move my entire hand over to it so that I could use my index finger to hit it.  Instead I can shift it ever so slightly and hit it with my pinky.  You don't need to wail on todays keyboards at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was once a very good touch typist but over the years I found that I had gotten sloppy .
The only way to really get myself back into typing trim was to discipline myself to use the right finger for the right key and I found I had to start with the enter key , of all things .
I had to reteach myself not to move my entire hand over to it so that I could use my index finger to hit it .
Instead I can shift it ever so slightly and hit it with my pinky .
You do n't need to wail on todays keyboards at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was once a very good touch typist but over the years I found that I had gotten sloppy.
The only way to really get myself back into typing trim was to discipline myself to use the right finger for the right key and I found I had to start with the enter key, of all things.
I had to reteach myself not to move my entire hand over to it so that I could use my index finger to hit it.
Instead I can shift it ever so slightly and hit it with my pinky.
You don't need to wail on todays keyboards at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394856</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1267964160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I changed to Dvorak for comfort rather than speed, although I think it's faster anyway.</p><p>There are several problems with how you type on a Qwerty layout that are corrected with Dvorak:<br>- Dvorak has the most common keys on the middle row (AOEUI DHTNS), and the least common keys on the bottom row (;QJKX BMWVZ). (Top row: ',.PY FGCRL)<br>- Dvorak has common English key letter combinations leading towards the centre of the keyboard. E.g. TH, RD, AE, OU, SN, ST, SH, NT. Try drumming your fingers on the table: little to big is easier than big to little.<br>- Most of the time there's lots of alternation between hands.<br>- (others I forget, it's been 6 years.)</p><p>I haven't rearranged my keys (I don't look at them anyway, and I suggest you don't rearrange yours -- it reduces the temptation while learning). Looking at the keyboard now, words like "water" or "greeting" or "pumpkin" or "creative" look <i>really</i> contorted to type on Qwerty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I changed to Dvorak for comfort rather than speed , although I think it 's faster anyway.There are several problems with how you type on a Qwerty layout that are corrected with Dvorak : - Dvorak has the most common keys on the middle row ( AOEUI DHTNS ) , and the least common keys on the bottom row ( ; QJKX BMWVZ ) .
( Top row : ',.PY FGCRL ) - Dvorak has common English key letter combinations leading towards the centre of the keyboard .
E.g. TH , RD , AE , OU , SN , ST , SH , NT .
Try drumming your fingers on the table : little to big is easier than big to little.- Most of the time there 's lots of alternation between hands.- ( others I forget , it 's been 6 years .
) I have n't rearranged my keys ( I do n't look at them anyway , and I suggest you do n't rearrange yours -- it reduces the temptation while learning ) .
Looking at the keyboard now , words like " water " or " greeting " or " pumpkin " or " creative " look really contorted to type on Qwerty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I changed to Dvorak for comfort rather than speed, although I think it's faster anyway.There are several problems with how you type on a Qwerty layout that are corrected with Dvorak:- Dvorak has the most common keys on the middle row (AOEUI DHTNS), and the least common keys on the bottom row (;QJKX BMWVZ).
(Top row: ',.PY FGCRL)- Dvorak has common English key letter combinations leading towards the centre of the keyboard.
E.g. TH, RD, AE, OU, SN, ST, SH, NT.
Try drumming your fingers on the table: little to big is easier than big to little.- Most of the time there's lots of alternation between hands.- (others I forget, it's been 6 years.
)I haven't rearranged my keys (I don't look at them anyway, and I suggest you don't rearrange yours -- it reduces the temptation while learning).
Looking at the keyboard now, words like "water" or "greeting" or "pumpkin" or "creative" look really contorted to type on Qwerty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394508</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267961460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're truly getting 90+ wpm, sustained, with error correction, then it really doesn't matter how you're achieving that.  That's professional data-entry level speeds there and if you can get it just by slapping your dick on the keyboard, more power to you.<br><br>People who are being paid piece-rate for data-entry, for example, could possibly benefit from an additional 20 wpm, but I can't really see the benefit for anyone else.  Especially factoring in the time it will take to train back up to a decent speed after your speed plummets initially for finger retraining.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're truly getting 90 + wpm , sustained , with error correction , then it really does n't matter how you 're achieving that .
That 's professional data-entry level speeds there and if you can get it just by slapping your dick on the keyboard , more power to you.People who are being paid piece-rate for data-entry , for example , could possibly benefit from an additional 20 wpm , but I ca n't really see the benefit for anyone else .
Especially factoring in the time it will take to train back up to a decent speed after your speed plummets initially for finger retraining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're truly getting 90+ wpm, sustained, with error correction, then it really doesn't matter how you're achieving that.
That's professional data-entry level speeds there and if you can get it just by slapping your dick on the keyboard, more power to you.People who are being paid piece-rate for data-entry, for example, could possibly benefit from an additional 20 wpm, but I can't really see the benefit for anyone else.
Especially factoring in the time it will take to train back up to a decent speed after your speed plummets initially for finger retraining.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395940</id>
	<title>No Madder...</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1267971600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Due knot worry about yore typing skills. Soon wheel awl use voice input and jesters!<br>Throughput will bee increased and spelling airs will disappear.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Due knot worry about yore typing skills .
Soon wheel awl use voice input and jesters ! Throughput will bee increased and spelling airs will disappear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Due knot worry about yore typing skills.
Soon wheel awl use voice input and jesters!Throughput will bee increased and spelling airs will disappear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394472</id>
	<title>If you're doing almost two words a second...</title>
	<author>The Archon V2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1267961280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>... does technique really matter? I've had three kinds of experiences as far as typing.<p>

<i>School</i> <br>
Teacher: Here's a typing test.<br>
Me: OK. (Types.)<br>
Teacher: Your technique is absolutely horrible, you'll never be able to progress like that. If you're going to take typing you'll have to start in the beginner class and relearn from scratch.<br>
Me: No, thanks.</p><p>

<i>Clerical job interview</i> <br>
Interviewer: Here's a typing test.<br>
Me: OK. (Types.)<br>
Interviewer: 90 WPM, only one error. You pass.</p><p>

<i>Technical job interview</i> <br>
Interviewer: You've been using computers since the Commodore 64 days and remember DOS. Yeah, we're not going to bother with a typing test. I'm sure you're fine.</p><p>

My uncle was a journalist who typed with two fingers his entire career. His editor didn't care if he typed them by slamming his face on the keys, as long as the reports were on time and well-written.</p><p>

So, unless you need to do something for ergonomic reasons or just a mad fit of self-improvement, probably not worth it. Your ring finger will get over the neglect.:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... does technique really matter ?
I 've had three kinds of experiences as far as typing .
School Teacher : Here 's a typing test .
Me : OK .
( Types. ) Teacher : Your technique is absolutely horrible , you 'll never be able to progress like that .
If you 're going to take typing you 'll have to start in the beginner class and relearn from scratch .
Me : No , thanks .
Clerical job interview Interviewer : Here 's a typing test .
Me : OK .
( Types. ) Interviewer : 90 WPM , only one error .
You pass .
Technical job interview Interviewer : You 've been using computers since the Commodore 64 days and remember DOS .
Yeah , we 're not going to bother with a typing test .
I 'm sure you 're fine .
My uncle was a journalist who typed with two fingers his entire career .
His editor did n't care if he typed them by slamming his face on the keys , as long as the reports were on time and well-written .
So , unless you need to do something for ergonomic reasons or just a mad fit of self-improvement , probably not worth it .
Your ring finger will get over the neglect .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... does technique really matter?
I've had three kinds of experiences as far as typing.
School 
Teacher: Here's a typing test.
Me: OK.
(Types.)
Teacher: Your technique is absolutely horrible, you'll never be able to progress like that.
If you're going to take typing you'll have to start in the beginner class and relearn from scratch.
Me: No, thanks.
Clerical job interview 
Interviewer: Here's a typing test.
Me: OK.
(Types.)
Interviewer: 90 WPM, only one error.
You pass.
Technical job interview 
Interviewer: You've been using computers since the Commodore 64 days and remember DOS.
Yeah, we're not going to bother with a typing test.
I'm sure you're fine.
My uncle was a journalist who typed with two fingers his entire career.
His editor didn't care if he typed them by slamming his face on the keys, as long as the reports were on time and well-written.
So, unless you need to do something for ergonomic reasons or just a mad fit of self-improvement, probably not worth it.
Your ring finger will get over the neglect.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394550</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>delphi125</author>
	<datestamp>1267961820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I scrolled down to see if there were any more relevant posts to reply to, but most of them also boasted about 80+ wpm.</p><p>I am by no means a touch typer, but I don't watch my keyboard either. So I correct a lot, and am about half your speed at best (say 50 wpm).</p><p>Still probably around 12 cps, but hitting Delete 3 times lowers the average, hehehe.</p><p>I still type faster than I can think, whether I am programming, translating, or writing for fun and pleasure. As the GP post said, any more is overkill for anything but data entry or transcribing.</p><p>As it happens, I didn't make many mistakes in the previous para, but I can regularly type stuff like: To be oare nto teo be, thatr ais the quzesition.</p><p>Thing is, when I'm typing text (using 9 fingers, not the right pinky for some reason, although I do sometimes use my left hand for control (thumb to C for copy, for example), I am aware of my mistakes and often want to change for other reasons anyway. And when programming, I want to type two or three letters and then code-complete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I scrolled down to see if there were any more relevant posts to reply to , but most of them also boasted about 80 + wpm.I am by no means a touch typer , but I do n't watch my keyboard either .
So I correct a lot , and am about half your speed at best ( say 50 wpm ) .Still probably around 12 cps , but hitting Delete 3 times lowers the average , hehehe.I still type faster than I can think , whether I am programming , translating , or writing for fun and pleasure .
As the GP post said , any more is overkill for anything but data entry or transcribing.As it happens , I did n't make many mistakes in the previous para , but I can regularly type stuff like : To be oare nto teo be , thatr ais the quzesition.Thing is , when I 'm typing text ( using 9 fingers , not the right pinky for some reason , although I do sometimes use my left hand for control ( thumb to C for copy , for example ) , I am aware of my mistakes and often want to change for other reasons anyway .
And when programming , I want to type two or three letters and then code-complete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I scrolled down to see if there were any more relevant posts to reply to, but most of them also boasted about 80+ wpm.I am by no means a touch typer, but I don't watch my keyboard either.
So I correct a lot, and am about half your speed at best (say 50 wpm).Still probably around 12 cps, but hitting Delete 3 times lowers the average, hehehe.I still type faster than I can think, whether I am programming, translating, or writing for fun and pleasure.
As the GP post said, any more is overkill for anything but data entry or transcribing.As it happens, I didn't make many mistakes in the previous para, but I can regularly type stuff like: To be oare nto teo be, thatr ais the quzesition.Thing is, when I'm typing text (using 9 fingers, not the right pinky for some reason, although I do sometimes use my left hand for control (thumb to C for copy, for example), I am aware of my mistakes and often want to change for other reasons anyway.
And when programming, I want to type two or three letters and then code-complete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397052</id>
	<title>Behavioral Momentum</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1267980360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That phrase sums up the concept of persistence on a behavior, h3ther correct or incorrect. To change something that's grossly overlearned to the point of being automated you have to start to learn a new way, then unlearn the old before the old and new can merge (unlearning being an active process, more than forgetting). The changes of success without some rather extensive practice is very small. And this is apparently for the sake of 'awkwardness'?</p><p>I met a journalist from Canada who typed with two index fingers at 100+ WPM. Looked awkward as hell. Looked like he'd gotten over that.</p><p>So you don't type the same as everyone else. If you wanted to type better than you do now, it'd be far easier to type the way you do but better than to learn another way. Adaptation is far easier than un-and-relearning. If you just want to stop feeling awkward, get some videos of the Grateful Dead in concert, and look for closeups up Jerry Garcia's guitar playing. He was missing a finger and managed to not look awkward. And he had far more reason to be concerned about what people thought about him, since he was a public performer that depended on his hands. Nobody but you cares about you. That seems the easiest to fix to my mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That phrase sums up the concept of persistence on a behavior , h3ther correct or incorrect .
To change something that 's grossly overlearned to the point of being automated you have to start to learn a new way , then unlearn the old before the old and new can merge ( unlearning being an active process , more than forgetting ) .
The changes of success without some rather extensive practice is very small .
And this is apparently for the sake of 'awkwardness ' ? I met a journalist from Canada who typed with two index fingers at 100 + WPM .
Looked awkward as hell .
Looked like he 'd gotten over that.So you do n't type the same as everyone else .
If you wanted to type better than you do now , it 'd be far easier to type the way you do but better than to learn another way .
Adaptation is far easier than un-and-relearning .
If you just want to stop feeling awkward , get some videos of the Grateful Dead in concert , and look for closeups up Jerry Garcia 's guitar playing .
He was missing a finger and managed to not look awkward .
And he had far more reason to be concerned about what people thought about him , since he was a public performer that depended on his hands .
Nobody but you cares about you .
That seems the easiest to fix to my mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That phrase sums up the concept of persistence on a behavior, h3ther correct or incorrect.
To change something that's grossly overlearned to the point of being automated you have to start to learn a new way, then unlearn the old before the old and new can merge (unlearning being an active process, more than forgetting).
The changes of success without some rather extensive practice is very small.
And this is apparently for the sake of 'awkwardness'?I met a journalist from Canada who typed with two index fingers at 100+ WPM.
Looked awkward as hell.
Looked like he'd gotten over that.So you don't type the same as everyone else.
If you wanted to type better than you do now, it'd be far easier to type the way you do but better than to learn another way.
Adaptation is far easier than un-and-relearning.
If you just want to stop feeling awkward, get some videos of the Grateful Dead in concert, and look for closeups up Jerry Garcia's guitar playing.
He was missing a finger and managed to not look awkward.
And he had far more reason to be concerned about what people thought about him, since he was a public performer that depended on his hands.
Nobody but you cares about you.
That seems the easiest to fix to my mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31401154</id>
	<title>Dvorak</title>
	<author>fusiongyro</author>
	<datestamp>1268066700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the end of my college career, I noticed my hands and wrists were getting strained, so I spent my last semester switching to Dvorak, Emacs and the <a href="http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/" title="kinesis-ergo.com">Kinesis Ergo Contoured</a> [kinesis-ergo.com] keyboard from qwerty, vi and the Microsoft Natural keyboard.</p><p>There's endless debate about these things, and apparently some questions about Dvorak's research methods. There's also new keyboard layouts that are supposedly about as good as Dvorak without sacrificing usability and faster to learn (I'm talking about the <a href="http://colemak.com/" title="colemak.com">Colemak</a> [colemak.com] specifically). Ultimately it is very hard to make a strong recommendation for any of these switches based on a solid, unarguably scientific basis.</p><p>However, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that most people who switch to Dvorak and the Kinesis keyboard experience some combination of reduced hand strain and faster typing. My personal impression is that the Kinesis does more for strain and Dvorak does more for speed and comfort. I personally had reached a plateau in the 75-90 WPM range with qwerty and now I think I'm in the 110-125 WPM range. I don't think Emacs had anything to do with the changes. The control/alt/etc. keys are hit with the thumbs on the Kinesis, and the escape key is still in Siberia, but in practice I don't think either one has any tangible ergonomic charm once you're using Dvorak.</p><p>Lately I have noticed that there are some keys which I type strangely. But I was taught on a typewriter and I learned the classical method--I even continue to find use for the caps lock key, a victim of a lot of unnecessary derision in the programming community. I sometimes hit keys that should be hit with the pinky with my ring fingers. I don't think it's worth worrying about too much if you're not looking at the keyboard, it doesn't feel uncomfortable, and it's not slowing you down. The greatest danger, IMO, is discomfort, followed by speed and accuracy problems. Accuracy is the least of my concerns, really. I can usually feel when I've typed something wrong and I correct it often without looking at it.</p><p>If you're looking at the keyboard, you would probably benefit from starting over from scratch, and if you're going to do that, it would probably help to switch keyboard layouts at the same time. It'll prevent you from getting more frustrated at the relearning process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the end of my college career , I noticed my hands and wrists were getting strained , so I spent my last semester switching to Dvorak , Emacs and the Kinesis Ergo Contoured [ kinesis-ergo.com ] keyboard from qwerty , vi and the Microsoft Natural keyboard.There 's endless debate about these things , and apparently some questions about Dvorak 's research methods .
There 's also new keyboard layouts that are supposedly about as good as Dvorak without sacrificing usability and faster to learn ( I 'm talking about the Colemak [ colemak.com ] specifically ) .
Ultimately it is very hard to make a strong recommendation for any of these switches based on a solid , unarguably scientific basis.However , there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that most people who switch to Dvorak and the Kinesis keyboard experience some combination of reduced hand strain and faster typing .
My personal impression is that the Kinesis does more for strain and Dvorak does more for speed and comfort .
I personally had reached a plateau in the 75-90 WPM range with qwerty and now I think I 'm in the 110-125 WPM range .
I do n't think Emacs had anything to do with the changes .
The control/alt/etc .
keys are hit with the thumbs on the Kinesis , and the escape key is still in Siberia , but in practice I do n't think either one has any tangible ergonomic charm once you 're using Dvorak.Lately I have noticed that there are some keys which I type strangely .
But I was taught on a typewriter and I learned the classical method--I even continue to find use for the caps lock key , a victim of a lot of unnecessary derision in the programming community .
I sometimes hit keys that should be hit with the pinky with my ring fingers .
I do n't think it 's worth worrying about too much if you 're not looking at the keyboard , it does n't feel uncomfortable , and it 's not slowing you down .
The greatest danger , IMO , is discomfort , followed by speed and accuracy problems .
Accuracy is the least of my concerns , really .
I can usually feel when I 've typed something wrong and I correct it often without looking at it.If you 're looking at the keyboard , you would probably benefit from starting over from scratch , and if you 're going to do that , it would probably help to switch keyboard layouts at the same time .
It 'll prevent you from getting more frustrated at the relearning process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the end of my college career, I noticed my hands and wrists were getting strained, so I spent my last semester switching to Dvorak, Emacs and the Kinesis Ergo Contoured [kinesis-ergo.com] keyboard from qwerty, vi and the Microsoft Natural keyboard.There's endless debate about these things, and apparently some questions about Dvorak's research methods.
There's also new keyboard layouts that are supposedly about as good as Dvorak without sacrificing usability and faster to learn (I'm talking about the Colemak [colemak.com] specifically).
Ultimately it is very hard to make a strong recommendation for any of these switches based on a solid, unarguably scientific basis.However, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that most people who switch to Dvorak and the Kinesis keyboard experience some combination of reduced hand strain and faster typing.
My personal impression is that the Kinesis does more for strain and Dvorak does more for speed and comfort.
I personally had reached a plateau in the 75-90 WPM range with qwerty and now I think I'm in the 110-125 WPM range.
I don't think Emacs had anything to do with the changes.
The control/alt/etc.
keys are hit with the thumbs on the Kinesis, and the escape key is still in Siberia, but in practice I don't think either one has any tangible ergonomic charm once you're using Dvorak.Lately I have noticed that there are some keys which I type strangely.
But I was taught on a typewriter and I learned the classical method--I even continue to find use for the caps lock key, a victim of a lot of unnecessary derision in the programming community.
I sometimes hit keys that should be hit with the pinky with my ring fingers.
I don't think it's worth worrying about too much if you're not looking at the keyboard, it doesn't feel uncomfortable, and it's not slowing you down.
The greatest danger, IMO, is discomfort, followed by speed and accuracy problems.
Accuracy is the least of my concerns, really.
I can usually feel when I've typed something wrong and I correct it often without looking at it.If you're looking at the keyboard, you would probably benefit from starting over from scratch, and if you're going to do that, it would probably help to switch keyboard layouts at the same time.
It'll prevent you from getting more frustrated at the relearning process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396612</id>
	<title>The only way to type...</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1267976400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only way to type is with your nose, using your tounge for the spacebar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only way to type is with your nose , using your tounge for the spacebar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only way to type is with your nose, using your tounge for the spacebar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395136</id>
	<title>Don't type faster than you can think</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1267966140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're a programmer (or in any other technical job) the limiting rate to how fast you get stuff from your brain onto a disk is the speed it takes to think of it, do some sort of sanity check, syntax check and keep a running tally of what you think the code will actually do. This is MUCH slower than 90 WPM, probably more like 5 or 10 - depending on how long you make your variable names (and whether you artifically slow yourself down my shiFting ot capiTals for nO veRy gOod reaSon).</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're a programmer ( or in any other technical job ) the limiting rate to how fast you get stuff from your brain onto a disk is the speed it takes to think of it , do some sort of sanity check , syntax check and keep a running tally of what you think the code will actually do .
This is MUCH slower than 90 WPM , probably more like 5 or 10 - depending on how long you make your variable names ( and whether you artifically slow yourself down my shiFting ot capiTals for nO veRy gOod reaSon ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're a programmer (or in any other technical job) the limiting rate to how fast you get stuff from your brain onto a disk is the speed it takes to think of it, do some sort of sanity check, syntax check and keep a running tally of what you think the code will actually do.
This is MUCH slower than 90 WPM, probably more like 5 or 10 - depending on how long you make your variable names (and whether you artifically slow yourself down my shiFting ot capiTals for nO veRy gOod reaSon).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396280</id>
	<title>Typing of the Dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267973760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Download Typing of the Dead, (-:</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Download Typing of the Dead , ( - :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Download Typing of the Dead, (-:</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395312</id>
	<title>For what purpose?</title>
	<author>ThousandStars</author>
	<datestamp>1267967700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're worried about medical issues or carpal tunnel, try the <a href="http://jseliger.com/2009/07/20/kinesis-advantage/" title="jseliger.com">Kinesis Advantage Ergonomic Keyboard</a> [jseliger.com], which might help you a) improve your posture and b) type faster. I've been using one for about nine months and think I probably type faster than I once did, although this might be the placebo effect. The company also includes a short guide with typing exercises that should help you adjust.

<p>From switching, I learned that I didn't hit the "c" key correctly and that a wider hand stance is vastly more comfortable than conventional keyboards. But in the end I've found that my biggest problem isn't with typing speed, but with thinking speed, and that hasn't improved with a nicer keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're worried about medical issues or carpal tunnel , try the Kinesis Advantage Ergonomic Keyboard [ jseliger.com ] , which might help you a ) improve your posture and b ) type faster .
I 've been using one for about nine months and think I probably type faster than I once did , although this might be the placebo effect .
The company also includes a short guide with typing exercises that should help you adjust .
From switching , I learned that I did n't hit the " c " key correctly and that a wider hand stance is vastly more comfortable than conventional keyboards .
But in the end I 've found that my biggest problem is n't with typing speed , but with thinking speed , and that has n't improved with a nicer keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're worried about medical issues or carpal tunnel, try the Kinesis Advantage Ergonomic Keyboard [jseliger.com], which might help you a) improve your posture and b) type faster.
I've been using one for about nine months and think I probably type faster than I once did, although this might be the placebo effect.
The company also includes a short guide with typing exercises that should help you adjust.
From switching, I learned that I didn't hit the "c" key correctly and that a wider hand stance is vastly more comfortable than conventional keyboards.
But in the end I've found that my biggest problem isn't with typing speed, but with thinking speed, and that hasn't improved with a nicer keyboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399922</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1268059260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. That's why we don't let marketing folks near our servers.</p><p>I have always wanted to see just one episode of Enterprise, or any similar show, in which someone breaks out a keyboard, because some problems cannot be solved by yelling commands at Majel Barret.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
That 's why we do n't let marketing folks near our servers.I have always wanted to see just one episode of Enterprise , or any similar show , in which someone breaks out a keyboard , because some problems can not be solved by yelling commands at Majel Barret .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
That's why we don't let marketing folks near our servers.I have always wanted to see just one episode of Enterprise, or any similar show, in which someone breaks out a keyboard, because some problems cannot be solved by yelling commands at Majel Barret.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399204</id>
	<title>Re:If you're doing almost two words a second...</title>
	<author>martyros</author>
	<datestamp>1268051700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Yeah, we're not going to bother with a typing test. I'm sure you're fine.</p></div></blockquote><p>It's 100\% true that for actual coding, thinking time is by far the limiting factor and typing speed doesn't matter much.  However, I've heard the argument that having faster typing speed makes you much more likely to be able to comment your code more fully, and write more detailed e-mails when a long one is required.
</p><p>I guess what I'm saying is, fast typing isn't required (and I've never seen it on a job interview); but having faster typing would be an asset, and is probably worth investing in.
</p><p>That said, if you really can do 90WPM, I think you're pretty much fine.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , we 're not going to bother with a typing test .
I 'm sure you 're fine.It 's 100 \ % true that for actual coding , thinking time is by far the limiting factor and typing speed does n't matter much .
However , I 've heard the argument that having faster typing speed makes you much more likely to be able to comment your code more fully , and write more detailed e-mails when a long one is required .
I guess what I 'm saying is , fast typing is n't required ( and I 've never seen it on a job interview ) ; but having faster typing would be an asset , and is probably worth investing in .
That said , if you really can do 90WPM , I think you 're pretty much fine .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, we're not going to bother with a typing test.
I'm sure you're fine.It's 100\% true that for actual coding, thinking time is by far the limiting factor and typing speed doesn't matter much.
However, I've heard the argument that having faster typing speed makes you much more likely to be able to comment your code more fully, and write more detailed e-mails when a long one is required.
I guess what I'm saying is, fast typing isn't required (and I've never seen it on a job interview); but having faster typing would be an asset, and is probably worth investing in.
That said, if you really can do 90WPM, I think you're pretty much fine.
:-)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394250</id>
	<title>How is this important?</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1267960140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I type perfect touch type style. At my best, I do about 90-120 WPM, same as you. I know I'm quite a rapid typist, almost able to keep up with natural-rate speech. If you are matching me, what are you really trying to achieve?</p><p>It's pretty obvious that whatever the metric, you are well within the realm of where other factors are far more likely to make a difference than typing speed. Of course, if you want to "touch type" like other "trained" folks, do like anybody else, and force yourself to actually do it.</p><p>I recommend any of the many touch-typing software packages out there. You don't even have to pay much, <a href="http://www.sense-lang.org/typing/tutor/index.php?lang=EN" title="sense-lang.org">30 seconds of GIS brought this up</a> [sense-lang.org] and it seems quite serviceable!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I type perfect touch type style .
At my best , I do about 90-120 WPM , same as you .
I know I 'm quite a rapid typist , almost able to keep up with natural-rate speech .
If you are matching me , what are you really trying to achieve ? It 's pretty obvious that whatever the metric , you are well within the realm of where other factors are far more likely to make a difference than typing speed .
Of course , if you want to " touch type " like other " trained " folks , do like anybody else , and force yourself to actually do it.I recommend any of the many touch-typing software packages out there .
You do n't even have to pay much , 30 seconds of GIS brought this up [ sense-lang.org ] and it seems quite serviceable !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I type perfect touch type style.
At my best, I do about 90-120 WPM, same as you.
I know I'm quite a rapid typist, almost able to keep up with natural-rate speech.
If you are matching me, what are you really trying to achieve?It's pretty obvious that whatever the metric, you are well within the realm of where other factors are far more likely to make a difference than typing speed.
Of course, if you want to "touch type" like other "trained" folks, do like anybody else, and force yourself to actually do it.I recommend any of the many touch-typing software packages out there.
You don't even have to pay much, 30 seconds of GIS brought this up [sense-lang.org] and it seems quite serviceable!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399214</id>
	<title>I had some typing lessons on a typewriter</title>
	<author>mrjb</author>
	<datestamp>1268051820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Typing lessons may not be the answer you're looking for- if they are anything like the lessons that I've had- lessons that fail to recognize that modern computer keyboards are wider than the typical typewriter.<br>
<br>
To be fair, after having had "proper" typing lessons on a typewriter, my typing has improved a bit. I use all fingers of my *left* hand for typing except my thumb- I always press the space bar with the thumb of my right hand. Officially I should be alternating between the left and right thumb.<br>
<br>
For the right hand, the "typewriter" model just doesn't work. While the left hand on either typewriter or computer keyboard would cover roughly the same area, the right hand on a computer keyboard covers the usual area PLUS the enter key at PLUS the arrow pad PLUS the numeric keypad- so it can't be static above the keyboard and reach all relevant keys. <br>
<br>
As I press then ENTER key with my little finger (and frequently so, when I'm doing anything on the command line), there's no way I can also use that finger for the "P" as I'm supposed to, without moving around my hand unnecessarily. As a result, I end up using only the index finger, little finger and thumb of my right hand (for the space). <br>
<br>
The questions you have to ask yourself is, "Does it matter?" and "why do I want to type 'the right way'?"<br>
<br>
I'm officially doing it wrong, but I can type blindfolded if I have to, have never had RSI, carpal tunnel syndrome or similar, and still manage to baffle people with my typing speed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Typing lessons may not be the answer you 're looking for- if they are anything like the lessons that I 've had- lessons that fail to recognize that modern computer keyboards are wider than the typical typewriter .
To be fair , after having had " proper " typing lessons on a typewriter , my typing has improved a bit .
I use all fingers of my * left * hand for typing except my thumb- I always press the space bar with the thumb of my right hand .
Officially I should be alternating between the left and right thumb .
For the right hand , the " typewriter " model just does n't work .
While the left hand on either typewriter or computer keyboard would cover roughly the same area , the right hand on a computer keyboard covers the usual area PLUS the enter key at PLUS the arrow pad PLUS the numeric keypad- so it ca n't be static above the keyboard and reach all relevant keys .
As I press then ENTER key with my little finger ( and frequently so , when I 'm doing anything on the command line ) , there 's no way I can also use that finger for the " P " as I 'm supposed to , without moving around my hand unnecessarily .
As a result , I end up using only the index finger , little finger and thumb of my right hand ( for the space ) .
The questions you have to ask yourself is , " Does it matter ?
" and " why do I want to type 'the right way ' ?
" I 'm officially doing it wrong , but I can type blindfolded if I have to , have never had RSI , carpal tunnel syndrome or similar , and still manage to baffle people with my typing speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typing lessons may not be the answer you're looking for- if they are anything like the lessons that I've had- lessons that fail to recognize that modern computer keyboards are wider than the typical typewriter.
To be fair, after having had "proper" typing lessons on a typewriter, my typing has improved a bit.
I use all fingers of my *left* hand for typing except my thumb- I always press the space bar with the thumb of my right hand.
Officially I should be alternating between the left and right thumb.
For the right hand, the "typewriter" model just doesn't work.
While the left hand on either typewriter or computer keyboard would cover roughly the same area, the right hand on a computer keyboard covers the usual area PLUS the enter key at PLUS the arrow pad PLUS the numeric keypad- so it can't be static above the keyboard and reach all relevant keys.
As I press then ENTER key with my little finger (and frequently so, when I'm doing anything on the command line), there's no way I can also use that finger for the "P" as I'm supposed to, without moving around my hand unnecessarily.
As a result, I end up using only the index finger, little finger and thumb of my right hand (for the space).
The questions you have to ask yourself is, "Does it matter?
" and "why do I want to type 'the right way'?
"

I'm officially doing it wrong, but I can type blindfolded if I have to, have never had RSI, carpal tunnel syndrome or similar, and still manage to baffle people with my typing speed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31410968</id>
	<title>Re:Function keys</title>
	<author>Zancarius</author>
	<datestamp>1268125200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had something similar happen when I was using an old Logitech keyboard. It took me forever to discover that if you were to hit the right alt and right shift at approximately the same time on this particular keyboard (then release them), it would behave as if the right control key were depressed. The only way to reverse the situation was to press the right control a few times in the hopes it would return to "normal." It puzzled me the first few times, because I wound up killing open windows (unintentionally) and doing a variety of other unpleasant things. I was perplexed when it happened under both Gentoo and Windows (including without a window manager running in the former) and rebooting failed to resolve it. Furthermore, plugging in a second keyboard never fixed the problem because--surprise, surprise--the control key was behaving as if it were depressed from the original keyboard that started the whole mess.</p><p>It's humorous in retrospect, because once I discovered this magic key combination, I made a conscious decision to avoid pressing both right alt/right shift at the same time and if it did happen, I was aware that I could quickly fix it with a press of the control key. Further, since it would only happen whenever I'd play a particular game inside which I used those keys for action modifiers, I was convinced it was an issue with the game itself!</p><p>If you use an older keyboard, you may wish to experiment with various key combinations on the off-hand chance it's your keyboard and not your window manager. In my experience, the only way to get Firefox to behave as you've described it is to activate kiosk/full screen mode with the F11 key.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had something similar happen when I was using an old Logitech keyboard .
It took me forever to discover that if you were to hit the right alt and right shift at approximately the same time on this particular keyboard ( then release them ) , it would behave as if the right control key were depressed .
The only way to reverse the situation was to press the right control a few times in the hopes it would return to " normal .
" It puzzled me the first few times , because I wound up killing open windows ( unintentionally ) and doing a variety of other unpleasant things .
I was perplexed when it happened under both Gentoo and Windows ( including without a window manager running in the former ) and rebooting failed to resolve it .
Furthermore , plugging in a second keyboard never fixed the problem because--surprise , surprise--the control key was behaving as if it were depressed from the original keyboard that started the whole mess.It 's humorous in retrospect , because once I discovered this magic key combination , I made a conscious decision to avoid pressing both right alt/right shift at the same time and if it did happen , I was aware that I could quickly fix it with a press of the control key .
Further , since it would only happen whenever I 'd play a particular game inside which I used those keys for action modifiers , I was convinced it was an issue with the game itself ! If you use an older keyboard , you may wish to experiment with various key combinations on the off-hand chance it 's your keyboard and not your window manager .
In my experience , the only way to get Firefox to behave as you 've described it is to activate kiosk/full screen mode with the F11 key .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had something similar happen when I was using an old Logitech keyboard.
It took me forever to discover that if you were to hit the right alt and right shift at approximately the same time on this particular keyboard (then release them), it would behave as if the right control key were depressed.
The only way to reverse the situation was to press the right control a few times in the hopes it would return to "normal.
" It puzzled me the first few times, because I wound up killing open windows (unintentionally) and doing a variety of other unpleasant things.
I was perplexed when it happened under both Gentoo and Windows (including without a window manager running in the former) and rebooting failed to resolve it.
Furthermore, plugging in a second keyboard never fixed the problem because--surprise, surprise--the control key was behaving as if it were depressed from the original keyboard that started the whole mess.It's humorous in retrospect, because once I discovered this magic key combination, I made a conscious decision to avoid pressing both right alt/right shift at the same time and if it did happen, I was aware that I could quickly fix it with a press of the control key.
Further, since it would only happen whenever I'd play a particular game inside which I used those keys for action modifiers, I was convinced it was an issue with the game itself!If you use an older keyboard, you may wish to experiment with various key combinations on the off-hand chance it's your keyboard and not your window manager.
In my experience, the only way to get Firefox to behave as you've described it is to activate kiosk/full screen mode with the F11 key.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31404058</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>Lodragandraoidh</author>
	<datestamp>1268080500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...You could achieve a similar thing with qwerty by randomly moving the keycaps on a keyboard, except the "F" and "J" keys with the markers.</p></div><p>...or get <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8396/" title="thinkgeek.com">this keyboard</a> [thinkgeek.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...You could achieve a similar thing with qwerty by randomly moving the keycaps on a keyboard , except the " F " and " J " keys with the markers....or get this keyboard [ thinkgeek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...You could achieve a similar thing with qwerty by randomly moving the keycaps on a keyboard, except the "F" and "J" keys with the markers....or get this keyboard [thinkgeek.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394344</id>
	<title>If it works, it's correct</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1267960560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some years ago, I read a study by a woman who looked at the technique of several great pianists (eh, one keyboard's the same as another). She found there were some few things that they all played the exact same way. Her conclusion was that for these few things, they played the same way because <i>there was only one way for the human hand to possibly do it</i>.  For the other things, their technique varied drastically.  There was no uniformity at all in styles.  Her conclusion was that if it works, it is correct.<br> <br>
Thus in your case I suggest that if you feel your fingering method for typing is slowing you down, then try to figure out what exactly is slowing you down and see if you can speed it up.  That will be easier than trying to use some arbitrary rules that may or may not make a difference.<br> <br>
This is especially true when we are talking about arbitrary rules taught to beginners, where the teachers are often not experts, and the rules are often formulated to make it easier for beginners to learn, not to make you as fast as possible.  Going back to the piano example, beginners are often taught to play with their wrists held high, fingers curved, playing on the finger tips. This is decent advice, but sometimes it's faster and more precise to play with your fingers straight and flat (Horowitz did this on fast black-note passages sometimes).<br> <br>
Actually I can give a ton of examples where the 'rules' weren't necessarily the best, and the people became the greatest in their field by breaking those rules (appropriately), but I'll leave it at, "if it works for you, use it."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some years ago , I read a study by a woman who looked at the technique of several great pianists ( eh , one keyboard 's the same as another ) .
She found there were some few things that they all played the exact same way .
Her conclusion was that for these few things , they played the same way because there was only one way for the human hand to possibly do it .
For the other things , their technique varied drastically .
There was no uniformity at all in styles .
Her conclusion was that if it works , it is correct .
Thus in your case I suggest that if you feel your fingering method for typing is slowing you down , then try to figure out what exactly is slowing you down and see if you can speed it up .
That will be easier than trying to use some arbitrary rules that may or may not make a difference .
This is especially true when we are talking about arbitrary rules taught to beginners , where the teachers are often not experts , and the rules are often formulated to make it easier for beginners to learn , not to make you as fast as possible .
Going back to the piano example , beginners are often taught to play with their wrists held high , fingers curved , playing on the finger tips .
This is decent advice , but sometimes it 's faster and more precise to play with your fingers straight and flat ( Horowitz did this on fast black-note passages sometimes ) .
Actually I can give a ton of examples where the 'rules ' were n't necessarily the best , and the people became the greatest in their field by breaking those rules ( appropriately ) , but I 'll leave it at , " if it works for you , use it .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some years ago, I read a study by a woman who looked at the technique of several great pianists (eh, one keyboard's the same as another).
She found there were some few things that they all played the exact same way.
Her conclusion was that for these few things, they played the same way because there was only one way for the human hand to possibly do it.
For the other things, their technique varied drastically.
There was no uniformity at all in styles.
Her conclusion was that if it works, it is correct.
Thus in your case I suggest that if you feel your fingering method for typing is slowing you down, then try to figure out what exactly is slowing you down and see if you can speed it up.
That will be easier than trying to use some arbitrary rules that may or may not make a difference.
This is especially true when we are talking about arbitrary rules taught to beginners, where the teachers are often not experts, and the rules are often formulated to make it easier for beginners to learn, not to make you as fast as possible.
Going back to the piano example, beginners are often taught to play with their wrists held high, fingers curved, playing on the finger tips.
This is decent advice, but sometimes it's faster and more precise to play with your fingers straight and flat (Horowitz did this on fast black-note passages sometimes).
Actually I can give a ton of examples where the 'rules' weren't necessarily the best, and the people became the greatest in their field by breaking those rules (appropriately), but I'll leave it at, "if it works for you, use it.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394706</id>
	<title>Re:How is this important?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267962900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else remember "Typing of the Dead"? Best typing tutor ever.</p><p>I wonder idly if it's still in print, in any of the mega-budget software ranges. I'd pay a fiver for it, no question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else remember " Typing of the Dead " ?
Best typing tutor ever.I wonder idly if it 's still in print , in any of the mega-budget software ranges .
I 'd pay a fiver for it , no question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else remember "Typing of the Dead"?
Best typing tutor ever.I wonder idly if it's still in print, in any of the mega-budget software ranges.
I'd pay a fiver for it, no question.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31407462</id>
	<title>Cover your keyboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268050980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use some cloth to cover your hands and keyboard, and continue typing like this. It will force you to memorize where each key is because you don't see the keys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use some cloth to cover your hands and keyboard , and continue typing like this .
It will force you to memorize where each key is because you do n't see the keys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use some cloth to cover your hands and keyboard, and continue typing like this.
It will force you to memorize where each key is because you don't see the keys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394194</id>
	<title>Dvorak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267959900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Should I switch to Dvorak</p></div><p>No.  Even if you gain speed on your keyboard, the ability not to suck on other people's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should I switch to DvorakNo .
Even if you gain speed on your keyboard , the ability not to suck on other people 's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should I switch to DvorakNo.
Even if you gain speed on your keyboard, the ability not to suck on other people's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395074</id>
	<title>Publish</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1267965660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At those speeds perhaps you've discovered a better method.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At those speeds perhaps you 've discovered a better method .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At those speeds perhaps you've discovered a better method.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394270</id>
	<title>Dvorak isn't better</title>
	<author>jjohnson</author>
	<datestamp>1267960260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't bother with Dvorak.  The studies that showed Dvorak to be superior were <a href="http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/221/was-the-qwerty-keyboard-purposely-designed-to-slow-typists" title="straightdope.com">methodologically suspect</a> [straightdope.com], and the reams of anecdotal evidence that Dvorak is superior is largely due to confirmation bias--the people who consciously switched improved largely because they were switching consciously (and trying to improve), and the people who don't see an improvement rarely brag about that.</p><p>Instead, a touch-typing program or other class will probably benefit you.  A lot of the myths about qwerty keyboards are bogus, and you should see an improvement in your speed because you're spreading the typing load across more fingers and having to move your hands and forearms less than a fast, blind hunt and peck.  A little practice on activating your pinkies will probably dovetail nicely with your existing skills, so the improvement will be quick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't bother with Dvorak .
The studies that showed Dvorak to be superior were methodologically suspect [ straightdope.com ] , and the reams of anecdotal evidence that Dvorak is superior is largely due to confirmation bias--the people who consciously switched improved largely because they were switching consciously ( and trying to improve ) , and the people who do n't see an improvement rarely brag about that.Instead , a touch-typing program or other class will probably benefit you .
A lot of the myths about qwerty keyboards are bogus , and you should see an improvement in your speed because you 're spreading the typing load across more fingers and having to move your hands and forearms less than a fast , blind hunt and peck .
A little practice on activating your pinkies will probably dovetail nicely with your existing skills , so the improvement will be quick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't bother with Dvorak.
The studies that showed Dvorak to be superior were methodologically suspect [straightdope.com], and the reams of anecdotal evidence that Dvorak is superior is largely due to confirmation bias--the people who consciously switched improved largely because they were switching consciously (and trying to improve), and the people who don't see an improvement rarely brag about that.Instead, a touch-typing program or other class will probably benefit you.
A lot of the myths about qwerty keyboards are bogus, and you should see an improvement in your speed because you're spreading the typing load across more fingers and having to move your hands and forearms less than a fast, blind hunt and peck.
A little practice on activating your pinkies will probably dovetail nicely with your existing skills, so the improvement will be quick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398508</id>
	<title>Typing of the dead...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268042280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should play "Typing of the dead".</p><p>I never even realized how wrong my technique was, until playing it and failing to reach higher scores/levels.</p><p>I believe its also a damn fun way of learning how to type properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should play " Typing of the dead " .I never even realized how wrong my technique was , until playing it and failing to reach higher scores/levels.I believe its also a damn fun way of learning how to type properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should play "Typing of the dead".I never even realized how wrong my technique was, until playing it and failing to reach higher scores/levels.I believe its also a damn fun way of learning how to type properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31403058</id>
	<title>Re:I call bullshit</title>
	<author>mdielmann</author>
	<datestamp>1268076000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comprehension fail.  He didn't say he uses hunt-and-peck.  He said he doesn't use formal touch-typing technique.  Now try to imagine, just for a moment, all the vast possibilities in between those two styles.<br>For instance, I commonly use my index fingers on neighboring keys where they shouldn't go, I rarely use my pinkies for anything but home row, shift, and enter, and I often shift my hand one key left or right, depending on what I'm typing.  It's not hunt-and-peck, but it isn't formal touch-typing, either.<br>Oh, and error rates are implied in wpm.  Kind of like the adjusted time scores in downhill skiing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comprehension fail .
He did n't say he uses hunt-and-peck .
He said he does n't use formal touch-typing technique .
Now try to imagine , just for a moment , all the vast possibilities in between those two styles.For instance , I commonly use my index fingers on neighboring keys where they should n't go , I rarely use my pinkies for anything but home row , shift , and enter , and I often shift my hand one key left or right , depending on what I 'm typing .
It 's not hunt-and-peck , but it is n't formal touch-typing , either.Oh , and error rates are implied in wpm .
Kind of like the adjusted time scores in downhill skiing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comprehension fail.
He didn't say he uses hunt-and-peck.
He said he doesn't use formal touch-typing technique.
Now try to imagine, just for a moment, all the vast possibilities in between those two styles.For instance, I commonly use my index fingers on neighboring keys where they shouldn't go, I rarely use my pinkies for anything but home row, shift, and enter, and I often shift my hand one key left or right, depending on what I'm typing.
It's not hunt-and-peck, but it isn't formal touch-typing, either.Oh, and error rates are implied in wpm.
Kind of like the adjusted time scores in downhill skiing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394214</id>
	<title>I'm ok with my poor typing technique...</title>
	<author>TheReaperD</author>
	<datestamp>1267960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm personally fine with my awkward typing technique.  I say if you've reached speeds that you're happy with and your typing method is not causing you any issues such as tendinitis, why change?  I've never understood the obsession with you must do it <i>"the right way."</i> </p><p>But, this is my advice and it's worth what you paid for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm personally fine with my awkward typing technique .
I say if you 've reached speeds that you 're happy with and your typing method is not causing you any issues such as tendinitis , why change ?
I 've never understood the obsession with you must do it " the right way .
" But , this is my advice and it 's worth what you paid for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm personally fine with my awkward typing technique.
I say if you've reached speeds that you're happy with and your typing method is not causing you any issues such as tendinitis, why change?
I've never understood the obsession with you must do it "the right way.
" But, this is my advice and it's worth what you paid for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394430</id>
	<title>Simplest advice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um... If you want to learn to type a certain way then practice it. Software can help you focus your practice, and make you consciously correct your finger placement etc, but you can do all this without software. Just take the time, put in the concentration, and practice.</p><p>Or just stay happy with how it's working for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um... If you want to learn to type a certain way then practice it .
Software can help you focus your practice , and make you consciously correct your finger placement etc , but you can do all this without software .
Just take the time , put in the concentration , and practice.Or just stay happy with how it 's working for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um... If you want to learn to type a certain way then practice it.
Software can help you focus your practice, and make you consciously correct your finger placement etc, but you can do all this without software.
Just take the time, put in the concentration, and practice.Or just stay happy with how it's working for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395536</id>
	<title>Why do you listen to what you "should"?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267969200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(such as not using my little and ring fingers when I really should)</p></div><p>No, that is an error of the layout! Your rind and little finger are weaker. Basically your little finger is just an outreaching touch sensor, and not meant for grabbing. Especially not on such an incredibly convoluted and stupid layout as the default one. And I&rsquo;m not talking about the position of the letters, but about the shape and layout of the physical keys!</p><p>If you want to make it a bit better, I recommend this keyboard (if it&rsquo;s still sold): <a href="http://www.datadesktech.com/desktop\_base.html" title="datadesktech.com">http://www.datadesktech.com/desktop\_base.html</a> [datadesktech.com]<br>I had it, and it was the best keyboard I ever had. Like an IBM one, but ergonomic. Not that fake-&ldquo;ergonomic&rdquo; style that e.g. Microsoft uses. Look at the upper outside keys (those for the smaller fingers). They are wider, and easier to press. Also the columns are exactly aligned. Not slanted. And you raise the <em>front</em>, not the back. So it&rsquo;s really nice. (I recommend buying the black USB variant.)</p><p>Why do I tell you this? Simple: Because the new layout forces you to re-learn touch-typing. In which case you can learn it properly and comfortably right from the start.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>But a note: Even those keyboards are not perfect, since you still have to raise your elbows to type in that V shape. (Much better than default keyboards though!) So you will get a bit of strain in your shoulders.<br>The only way around that, that I know, is using two <a href="http://www.datahand.com/products/proii.htm" title="datahand.com">Datahand</a> [datahand.com]s, mounted right on the chair. But it looks like they aren&rsquo;t sold anymore. Also the last time I checked, they were at $700 <em>per hand</em>!</p><p>About Dvorak: Go for it!<br>I doesn&rsquo;t even come close to our German version of an alternative layout (<a href="http://www.neo-layout.org/" title="neo-layout.org">NEO 2.0</a> [neo-layout.org]), which has 6 levels, but it&rsquo;s still much better than the default one.<br>I just left the default key stickers on my keyboard when learning NEO. Which made it impossible to look on the keys, and so I learned touch-typing much quicker.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( such as not using my little and ring fingers when I really should ) No , that is an error of the layout !
Your rind and little finger are weaker .
Basically your little finger is just an outreaching touch sensor , and not meant for grabbing .
Especially not on such an incredibly convoluted and stupid layout as the default one .
And I    m not talking about the position of the letters , but about the shape and layout of the physical keys ! If you want to make it a bit better , I recommend this keyboard ( if it    s still sold ) : http : //www.datadesktech.com/desktop \ _base.html [ datadesktech.com ] I had it , and it was the best keyboard I ever had .
Like an IBM one , but ergonomic .
Not that fake-    ergonomic    style that e.g .
Microsoft uses .
Look at the upper outside keys ( those for the smaller fingers ) .
They are wider , and easier to press .
Also the columns are exactly aligned .
Not slanted .
And you raise the front , not the back .
So it    s really nice .
( I recommend buying the black USB variant .
) Why do I tell you this ?
Simple : Because the new layout forces you to re-learn touch-typing .
In which case you can learn it properly and comfortably right from the start .
: ) But a note : Even those keyboards are not perfect , since you still have to raise your elbows to type in that V shape .
( Much better than default keyboards though !
) So you will get a bit of strain in your shoulders.The only way around that , that I know , is using two Datahand [ datahand.com ] s , mounted right on the chair .
But it looks like they aren    t sold anymore .
Also the last time I checked , they were at $ 700 per hand ! About Dvorak : Go for it ! I doesn    t even come close to our German version of an alternative layout ( NEO 2.0 [ neo-layout.org ] ) , which has 6 levels , but it    s still much better than the default one.I just left the default key stickers on my keyboard when learning NEO .
Which made it impossible to look on the keys , and so I learned touch-typing much quicker .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(such as not using my little and ring fingers when I really should)No, that is an error of the layout!
Your rind and little finger are weaker.
Basically your little finger is just an outreaching touch sensor, and not meant for grabbing.
Especially not on such an incredibly convoluted and stupid layout as the default one.
And I’m not talking about the position of the letters, but about the shape and layout of the physical keys!If you want to make it a bit better, I recommend this keyboard (if it’s still sold): http://www.datadesktech.com/desktop\_base.html [datadesktech.com]I had it, and it was the best keyboard I ever had.
Like an IBM one, but ergonomic.
Not that fake-“ergonomic” style that e.g.
Microsoft uses.
Look at the upper outside keys (those for the smaller fingers).
They are wider, and easier to press.
Also the columns are exactly aligned.
Not slanted.
And you raise the front, not the back.
So it’s really nice.
(I recommend buying the black USB variant.
)Why do I tell you this?
Simple: Because the new layout forces you to re-learn touch-typing.
In which case you can learn it properly and comfortably right from the start.
:)But a note: Even those keyboards are not perfect, since you still have to raise your elbows to type in that V shape.
(Much better than default keyboards though!
) So you will get a bit of strain in your shoulders.The only way around that, that I know, is using two Datahand [datahand.com]s, mounted right on the chair.
But it looks like they aren’t sold anymore.
Also the last time I checked, they were at $700 per hand!About Dvorak: Go for it!I doesn’t even come close to our German version of an alternative layout (NEO 2.0 [neo-layout.org]), which has 6 levels, but it’s still much better than the default one.I just left the default key stickers on my keyboard when learning NEO.
Which made it impossible to look on the keys, and so I learned touch-typing much quicker.
:)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394546</id>
	<title>Technique</title>
	<author>C4st13v4n14</author>
	<datestamp>1267961760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second what someone said earlier.  If you can get 80 WPM without looking at the keyboard and without making mistakes, then that's spectacular.  I took two years of "Word Processing" in high school back in the WordPerfect 5.1 days and 80 WPM is what the teacher could do.  I reached that magic point and couldn't really go beyond it.  If you're worried about developed carpal tunnel, there isn't much you can do with respect to technique.  My advice would be to check out speech recognition.  If you're worried about style, hitting the "Y" key with your right hand instead of your left, just do what's most comfortable for you.  I've seen some of these stenographers (the court room typists) and they can pull 120 WPM using shorthand.  When I moved to a non-English-speaking country, learned the language and had to start typing in it, that was a serious challenge.  Keyboards here are QWERTY, but the special vowels are found where the ; ' [ keys are and punctuation is all over the place.  It did come after a while, though, and now I'm about as fast in it as I am in English.  Nothing like learning a new language and having to type in it to keep your typing skills sharp!  Someone else mentioned going to Dworvak and to AZERTY.  That's just a bad idea.  I spent some time in Belgium and the AZERTY keyboard drove me nuts.  It got so annoying, I ended up starting all my emails with: "Hello, just so you know, I'm in Belgium and they use some whacked keyboards here..." and I proceeded to type as I would on a QWERTY keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second what someone said earlier .
If you can get 80 WPM without looking at the keyboard and without making mistakes , then that 's spectacular .
I took two years of " Word Processing " in high school back in the WordPerfect 5.1 days and 80 WPM is what the teacher could do .
I reached that magic point and could n't really go beyond it .
If you 're worried about developed carpal tunnel , there is n't much you can do with respect to technique .
My advice would be to check out speech recognition .
If you 're worried about style , hitting the " Y " key with your right hand instead of your left , just do what 's most comfortable for you .
I 've seen some of these stenographers ( the court room typists ) and they can pull 120 WPM using shorthand .
When I moved to a non-English-speaking country , learned the language and had to start typing in it , that was a serious challenge .
Keyboards here are QWERTY , but the special vowels are found where the ; ' [ keys are and punctuation is all over the place .
It did come after a while , though , and now I 'm about as fast in it as I am in English .
Nothing like learning a new language and having to type in it to keep your typing skills sharp !
Someone else mentioned going to Dworvak and to AZERTY .
That 's just a bad idea .
I spent some time in Belgium and the AZERTY keyboard drove me nuts .
It got so annoying , I ended up starting all my emails with : " Hello , just so you know , I 'm in Belgium and they use some whacked keyboards here... " and I proceeded to type as I would on a QWERTY keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second what someone said earlier.
If you can get 80 WPM without looking at the keyboard and without making mistakes, then that's spectacular.
I took two years of "Word Processing" in high school back in the WordPerfect 5.1 days and 80 WPM is what the teacher could do.
I reached that magic point and couldn't really go beyond it.
If you're worried about developed carpal tunnel, there isn't much you can do with respect to technique.
My advice would be to check out speech recognition.
If you're worried about style, hitting the "Y" key with your right hand instead of your left, just do what's most comfortable for you.
I've seen some of these stenographers (the court room typists) and they can pull 120 WPM using shorthand.
When I moved to a non-English-speaking country, learned the language and had to start typing in it, that was a serious challenge.
Keyboards here are QWERTY, but the special vowels are found where the ; ' [ keys are and punctuation is all over the place.
It did come after a while, though, and now I'm about as fast in it as I am in English.
Nothing like learning a new language and having to type in it to keep your typing skills sharp!
Someone else mentioned going to Dworvak and to AZERTY.
That's just a bad idea.
I spent some time in Belgium and the AZERTY keyboard drove me nuts.
It got so annoying, I ended up starting all my emails with: "Hello, just so you know, I'm in Belgium and they use some whacked keyboards here..." and I proceeded to type as I would on a QWERTY keyboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395920</id>
	<title>make something beautiful</title>
	<author>blueworm</author>
	<datestamp>1267971480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your typing skills are sufficient, make something beautiful instead of relearning typing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your typing skills are sufficient , make something beautiful instead of relearning typing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your typing skills are sufficient, make something beautiful instead of relearning typing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396842</id>
	<title>Just type a lot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267978320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Volunteer some time to Project Gutenberg or something.</p><p>Sit down with a book or magazine and just type the whole thing in. Stop when you get tired. Do at least a couple of pages every day for a week. Just be sure to finish it.</p><p>Like with anything else, practice makes perfect. I guarantee your speed and accuracy will improve!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Volunteer some time to Project Gutenberg or something.Sit down with a book or magazine and just type the whole thing in .
Stop when you get tired .
Do at least a couple of pages every day for a week .
Just be sure to finish it.Like with anything else , practice makes perfect .
I guarantee your speed and accuracy will improve !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Volunteer some time to Project Gutenberg or something.Sit down with a book or magazine and just type the whole thing in.
Stop when you get tired.
Do at least a couple of pages every day for a week.
Just be sure to finish it.Like with anything else, practice makes perfect.
I guarantee your speed and accuracy will improve!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31432192</id>
	<title>What are you typing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268221560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the issue is mute. If pure data entry speeds is your primary concern then chances are you are in a very low paid, and easily offshored role.</p><p>I'd spend my time improving my skills in a field where the quality of my output is rated much higher than the quantity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the issue is mute .
If pure data entry speeds is your primary concern then chances are you are in a very low paid , and easily offshored role.I 'd spend my time improving my skills in a field where the quality of my output is rated much higher than the quantity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the issue is mute.
If pure data entry speeds is your primary concern then chances are you are in a very low paid, and easily offshored role.I'd spend my time improving my skills in a field where the quality of my output is rated much higher than the quantity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394648</id>
	<title>Can you type without looking?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1267962420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If so, don't bother. That's what makes the huge difference between touch typing and hunt-n-peck typists. With touch typing all your fingers tend to be on the keyboard and you get a feel for where you are while I see most others do write/look/write/look/write/look, it's quite easy to see if you pay attention to their eyes. By keeping your eyes on the paragraph or block of code/query/whatever, you get a lot more mental focus on what you're doing than the mechanics of typing it. I do know the feel of what you're saying though, sometimes the big picture just "snaps" and you've suddenly got more to write than your fingers will keep up with but just get down the few critical ideas/revelations and really there is no such huge hurry in fleshing it out. Normally you then have to think a little more if you're doing it the right way anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If so , do n't bother .
That 's what makes the huge difference between touch typing and hunt-n-peck typists .
With touch typing all your fingers tend to be on the keyboard and you get a feel for where you are while I see most others do write/look/write/look/write/look , it 's quite easy to see if you pay attention to their eyes .
By keeping your eyes on the paragraph or block of code/query/whatever , you get a lot more mental focus on what you 're doing than the mechanics of typing it .
I do know the feel of what you 're saying though , sometimes the big picture just " snaps " and you 've suddenly got more to write than your fingers will keep up with but just get down the few critical ideas/revelations and really there is no such huge hurry in fleshing it out .
Normally you then have to think a little more if you 're doing it the right way anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If so, don't bother.
That's what makes the huge difference between touch typing and hunt-n-peck typists.
With touch typing all your fingers tend to be on the keyboard and you get a feel for where you are while I see most others do write/look/write/look/write/look, it's quite easy to see if you pay attention to their eyes.
By keeping your eyes on the paragraph or block of code/query/whatever, you get a lot more mental focus on what you're doing than the mechanics of typing it.
I do know the feel of what you're saying though, sometimes the big picture just "snaps" and you've suddenly got more to write than your fingers will keep up with but just get down the few critical ideas/revelations and really there is no such huge hurry in fleshing it out.
Normally you then have to think a little more if you're doing it the right way anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397090</id>
	<title>Re:Use a qwerty touch typing program</title>
	<author>Xtravar</author>
	<datestamp>1267980600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hit my wall when my school's computer lab only had ergonomic keyboards.  That will generally teach you to at least keep your hands on the correct side of the keyboard!</p><p>FWIW, I used to hit the T with my right hand and other sorts of nonsense. I'm still not 100\% correct with the pinkies (wide hands), but I'm the fastest typer I know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hit my wall when my school 's computer lab only had ergonomic keyboards .
That will generally teach you to at least keep your hands on the correct side of the keyboard ! FWIW , I used to hit the T with my right hand and other sorts of nonsense .
I 'm still not 100 \ % correct with the pinkies ( wide hands ) , but I 'm the fastest typer I know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hit my wall when my school's computer lab only had ergonomic keyboards.
That will generally teach you to at least keep your hands on the correct side of the keyboard!FWIW, I used to hit the T with my right hand and other sorts of nonsense.
I'm still not 100\% correct with the pinkies (wide hands), but I'm the fastest typer I know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395534</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267969200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least j,k, h and l are still in mostly intuitive positions (one might argue *more* intuitive than qwerty) in Dvorak.</p><p>GPP: If I expect to do any significant amount of typing at a client, my happy hacker keyboard is no more bulky than a magazine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least j,k , h and l are still in mostly intuitive positions ( one might argue * more * intuitive than qwerty ) in Dvorak.GPP : If I expect to do any significant amount of typing at a client , my happy hacker keyboard is no more bulky than a magazine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least j,k, h and l are still in mostly intuitive positions (one might argue *more* intuitive than qwerty) in Dvorak.GPP: If I expect to do any significant amount of typing at a client, my happy hacker keyboard is no more bulky than a magazine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395026</id>
	<title>Slow down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267965420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would actually recommend slowing down and using far fewer fingers.</p><p>A number of computer professional focused RSI books I have read suggest that reducing speed and moving whole hands rather than fingers is far better for your body in the long run.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would actually recommend slowing down and using far fewer fingers.A number of computer professional focused RSI books I have read suggest that reducing speed and moving whole hands rather than fingers is far better for your body in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would actually recommend slowing down and using far fewer fingers.A number of computer professional focused RSI books I have read suggest that reducing speed and moving whole hands rather than fingers is far better for your body in the long run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394948</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267964880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not the OP, but I have the same issue and have recently noticed the fingers I used most (my index) are starting to really hurt. It's like Chinese water tourture, after a while the slightest touch feels like a sledgehammer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not the OP , but I have the same issue and have recently noticed the fingers I used most ( my index ) are starting to really hurt .
It 's like Chinese water tourture , after a while the slightest touch feels like a sledgehammer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not the OP, but I have the same issue and have recently noticed the fingers I used most (my index) are starting to really hurt.
It's like Chinese water tourture, after a while the slightest touch feels like a sledgehammer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395092</id>
	<title>90-110 wpm you say?</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1267965840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't believe it.  Here's an research paper to type up.  Let's see how fast you can type this.   And when you're done with that one.  My buddies here also are incredulous about your speed.  You might have to prove to them too.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe it .
Here 's an research paper to type up .
Let 's see how fast you can type this .
And when you 're done with that one .
My buddies here also are incredulous about your speed .
You might have to prove to them too .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe it.
Here's an research paper to type up.
Let's see how fast you can type this.
And when you're done with that one.
My buddies here also are incredulous about your speed.
You might have to prove to them too.
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394830</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>ooloogi</author>
	<datestamp>1267963920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the ability not to suck on other people's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.</p></div><p> But think of how much they will suck on your dvorak laptop!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the ability not to suck on other people 's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever .
But think of how much they will suck on your dvorak laptop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the ability not to suck on other people's laptops is totally worth the 20 WPM decrement or whatever.
But think of how much they will suck on your dvorak laptop!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398170</id>
	<title>Why fix what isn't broken?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268080560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Based on your vague description, it sounds like your typing style is similar to mine. I type 100-130wpm (based on http://typera.tk). I do not use my pinkies or my right ring finger. My right hand's home position is shifted one key to the right of the standard home position. I have numerous other quirks as well.</p><p>Also, my typing technically has naturally evolved (I never learned "touch typing") to allow me to type certain words faster than I think anybody could touch type them because my finger mappings are not 1:1. For example, I type the word "truth" as truth l2l3r3l2r2 whereas a touch typer would type is as l2l2r2l2r2. If it isn't obvious as to which is more efficient, try it for yourself. My hands know how to quickly rotate and adjust to get very high efficiency for any word, not just the ones that are convenient for touch typing. This is something that touch typing teacher would never stand for, but I swear by it and could probably out type most of them.</p><p>So, my style may be "wrong", but my output clearly justifies my style. I've tried learning Dvorak briefly but haven't stuck with it. I think that even if I did take the time to learn it very well, I would not be able to develop the same kind of "first language" tactile mapping I have with qwerty and I doubt that I would be able to improve on my current speed. Barring Dvorak, I'm almost entirely certain that relearning "correct" touch typing could ever help improve my speed (at least not significantly) due to reasons stated above.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on your vague description , it sounds like your typing style is similar to mine .
I type 100-130wpm ( based on http : //typera.tk ) .
I do not use my pinkies or my right ring finger .
My right hand 's home position is shifted one key to the right of the standard home position .
I have numerous other quirks as well.Also , my typing technically has naturally evolved ( I never learned " touch typing " ) to allow me to type certain words faster than I think anybody could touch type them because my finger mappings are not 1 : 1 .
For example , I type the word " truth " as truth l2l3r3l2r2 whereas a touch typer would type is as l2l2r2l2r2 .
If it is n't obvious as to which is more efficient , try it for yourself .
My hands know how to quickly rotate and adjust to get very high efficiency for any word , not just the ones that are convenient for touch typing .
This is something that touch typing teacher would never stand for , but I swear by it and could probably out type most of them.So , my style may be " wrong " , but my output clearly justifies my style .
I 've tried learning Dvorak briefly but have n't stuck with it .
I think that even if I did take the time to learn it very well , I would not be able to develop the same kind of " first language " tactile mapping I have with qwerty and I doubt that I would be able to improve on my current speed .
Barring Dvorak , I 'm almost entirely certain that relearning " correct " touch typing could ever help improve my speed ( at least not significantly ) due to reasons stated above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on your vague description, it sounds like your typing style is similar to mine.
I type 100-130wpm (based on http://typera.tk).
I do not use my pinkies or my right ring finger.
My right hand's home position is shifted one key to the right of the standard home position.
I have numerous other quirks as well.Also, my typing technically has naturally evolved (I never learned "touch typing") to allow me to type certain words faster than I think anybody could touch type them because my finger mappings are not 1:1.
For example, I type the word "truth" as truth l2l3r3l2r2 whereas a touch typer would type is as l2l2r2l2r2.
If it isn't obvious as to which is more efficient, try it for yourself.
My hands know how to quickly rotate and adjust to get very high efficiency for any word, not just the ones that are convenient for touch typing.
This is something that touch typing teacher would never stand for, but I swear by it and could probably out type most of them.So, my style may be "wrong", but my output clearly justifies my style.
I've tried learning Dvorak briefly but haven't stuck with it.
I think that even if I did take the time to learn it very well, I would not be able to develop the same kind of "first language" tactile mapping I have with qwerty and I doubt that I would be able to improve on my current speed.
Barring Dvorak, I'm almost entirely certain that relearning "correct" touch typing could ever help improve my speed (at least not significantly) due to reasons stated above.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394748</id>
	<title>Biomechanics</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1267963140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Is this a medical concern, or are you trying to improve speed?</p><p>I hope its not a medical concern. Touch typing causes carpal tunnel, it doesn't cure it.</p><p>I am like the OP - I used to be a hunt and pecker (now I type by touch) and get around 90WPM on a couple online tests (give or take, the online tests vary a bit). I only use my index and ring fingers to type (thumb for the space bar) and so I end up using bigger muscles to type and don't overextend any of my small tendons to type. I once tried to teach myself touch typing, saw immediately how it would fuck up my tendons, and never went back.</p><p>Biomechanically speaking, it's not good to overextend a finger (like for an O) over and over. Much better to move the hand instead and keep the fingers in a power position.</p><p>Besides, 90WPM is plenty fast. That's faster than almost everybody, so I don't know what the OP is complaining about.</p><p>Article tag: goodenough</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Is this a medical concern , or are you trying to improve speed ? I hope its not a medical concern .
Touch typing causes carpal tunnel , it does n't cure it.I am like the OP - I used to be a hunt and pecker ( now I type by touch ) and get around 90WPM on a couple online tests ( give or take , the online tests vary a bit ) .
I only use my index and ring fingers to type ( thumb for the space bar ) and so I end up using bigger muscles to type and do n't overextend any of my small tendons to type .
I once tried to teach myself touch typing , saw immediately how it would fuck up my tendons , and never went back.Biomechanically speaking , it 's not good to overextend a finger ( like for an O ) over and over .
Much better to move the hand instead and keep the fingers in a power position.Besides , 90WPM is plenty fast .
That 's faster than almost everybody , so I do n't know what the OP is complaining about.Article tag : goodenough</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Is this a medical concern, or are you trying to improve speed?I hope its not a medical concern.
Touch typing causes carpal tunnel, it doesn't cure it.I am like the OP - I used to be a hunt and pecker (now I type by touch) and get around 90WPM on a couple online tests (give or take, the online tests vary a bit).
I only use my index and ring fingers to type (thumb for the space bar) and so I end up using bigger muscles to type and don't overextend any of my small tendons to type.
I once tried to teach myself touch typing, saw immediately how it would fuck up my tendons, and never went back.Biomechanically speaking, it's not good to overextend a finger (like for an O) over and over.
Much better to move the hand instead and keep the fingers in a power position.Besides, 90WPM is plenty fast.
That's faster than almost everybody, so I don't know what the OP is complaining about.Article tag: goodenough</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397608</id>
	<title>dvorak  qwerty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267986420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to say as someone who used to touch type in qwerty and now touch types in dvorak, that dvorak is by far superior. Sure it's a pain in the ass when you first start to learn dvorak. But once you get over that it is definitely more comfortable than trying to type in qwerty.</p><p>For any of those who believe dvorak being better than qwerty is just a myth then look into the 1944 study that was conducted by the Department of the Navy, which the results had clearly showed that dvorak is superior. So superior that it would have only taken them a few weeks to re-gain that investment. Also, this was a study that was independent of Dr. Dvorak's work and no way biased by him as he had nothing to do with the study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to say as someone who used to touch type in qwerty and now touch types in dvorak , that dvorak is by far superior .
Sure it 's a pain in the ass when you first start to learn dvorak .
But once you get over that it is definitely more comfortable than trying to type in qwerty.For any of those who believe dvorak being better than qwerty is just a myth then look into the 1944 study that was conducted by the Department of the Navy , which the results had clearly showed that dvorak is superior .
So superior that it would have only taken them a few weeks to re-gain that investment .
Also , this was a study that was independent of Dr. Dvorak 's work and no way biased by him as he had nothing to do with the study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to say as someone who used to touch type in qwerty and now touch types in dvorak, that dvorak is by far superior.
Sure it's a pain in the ass when you first start to learn dvorak.
But once you get over that it is definitely more comfortable than trying to type in qwerty.For any of those who believe dvorak being better than qwerty is just a myth then look into the 1944 study that was conducted by the Department of the Navy, which the results had clearly showed that dvorak is superior.
So superior that it would have only taken them a few weeks to re-gain that investment.
Also, this was a study that was independent of Dr. Dvorak's work and no way biased by him as he had nothing to do with the study.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397572</id>
	<title>Dvorak not faster for modern typing</title>
	<author>Stuntmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1267986060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The following is my personal experience with the Dvorak layout.  I've always been a fast qwerty typist, around 120 wpm if I focus on it.  In grad school, because of some wrist pain -- and out of curiosity too -- I decided to switch to Dvorak.  After a few weeks of consistent practice I was back up to around 80-90 wpm, then gradually got about equivalent to my speed at qwerty.  In a nutshell I find the claims that Dvorak is faster than qwerty to be very plausible, <em>if the task is transcribing English text.</em>  For English text Dvorak has a more efficient placement of keys, resulting in noticeably less hand movement than when typing with qwerty.</p><p>That said, I found Dvorak didn't help much in practice, and in many ways was an annoyance.  Three factors primarily limit the "real world" benefit of Dvorak, if the goal is simply speed:</p><p>1)  If you compose as you type -- rather than transcribe text like a secretary in the 1950s -- then you probably can't compose text at better than 50-60 wpm anyway.  If you're faster than this with qwerty, you probably aren't going to see much real benefit with Dvorak, since your composition speed is the limiting factor.  (perhaps I'm a slow thinker...)</p><p>2)  Often the stuff I type isn't vanilla English text, for which Dvorak is optimized.  Programming or LaTeX for example have such unusual letter frequencies that there is no discernible difference between qwerty and Dvorak (both are suboptimal for these tasks).</p><p>3)  Keyboard shortcuts in programs become super-annoying with Dvorak.  Ctrl-C, ctrl-x, ctrl-v, shift-zz:  All of these were chosen to be quick and easy on a qwerty keyboard.  Under Dvorak they get mapped into inconvenient locations.  Yes you can define a keymap that maps back to qwerty when you press the control key, but after a while you forget the qwerty layout and you get lost.  I never found a good solution to this problem, which was annoying because I found myself using keyboard shortcuts less frequently than I otherwise would.</p><p>There may be ergonomic reasons for Dvorak (I don't know), but it sounds like that's not your issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The following is my personal experience with the Dvorak layout .
I 've always been a fast qwerty typist , around 120 wpm if I focus on it .
In grad school , because of some wrist pain -- and out of curiosity too -- I decided to switch to Dvorak .
After a few weeks of consistent practice I was back up to around 80-90 wpm , then gradually got about equivalent to my speed at qwerty .
In a nutshell I find the claims that Dvorak is faster than qwerty to be very plausible , if the task is transcribing English text .
For English text Dvorak has a more efficient placement of keys , resulting in noticeably less hand movement than when typing with qwerty.That said , I found Dvorak did n't help much in practice , and in many ways was an annoyance .
Three factors primarily limit the " real world " benefit of Dvorak , if the goal is simply speed : 1 ) If you compose as you type -- rather than transcribe text like a secretary in the 1950s -- then you probably ca n't compose text at better than 50-60 wpm anyway .
If you 're faster than this with qwerty , you probably are n't going to see much real benefit with Dvorak , since your composition speed is the limiting factor .
( perhaps I 'm a slow thinker... ) 2 ) Often the stuff I type is n't vanilla English text , for which Dvorak is optimized .
Programming or LaTeX for example have such unusual letter frequencies that there is no discernible difference between qwerty and Dvorak ( both are suboptimal for these tasks ) .3 ) Keyboard shortcuts in programs become super-annoying with Dvorak .
Ctrl-C , ctrl-x , ctrl-v , shift-zz : All of these were chosen to be quick and easy on a qwerty keyboard .
Under Dvorak they get mapped into inconvenient locations .
Yes you can define a keymap that maps back to qwerty when you press the control key , but after a while you forget the qwerty layout and you get lost .
I never found a good solution to this problem , which was annoying because I found myself using keyboard shortcuts less frequently than I otherwise would.There may be ergonomic reasons for Dvorak ( I do n't know ) , but it sounds like that 's not your issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The following is my personal experience with the Dvorak layout.
I've always been a fast qwerty typist, around 120 wpm if I focus on it.
In grad school, because of some wrist pain -- and out of curiosity too -- I decided to switch to Dvorak.
After a few weeks of consistent practice I was back up to around 80-90 wpm, then gradually got about equivalent to my speed at qwerty.
In a nutshell I find the claims that Dvorak is faster than qwerty to be very plausible, if the task is transcribing English text.
For English text Dvorak has a more efficient placement of keys, resulting in noticeably less hand movement than when typing with qwerty.That said, I found Dvorak didn't help much in practice, and in many ways was an annoyance.
Three factors primarily limit the "real world" benefit of Dvorak, if the goal is simply speed:1)  If you compose as you type -- rather than transcribe text like a secretary in the 1950s -- then you probably can't compose text at better than 50-60 wpm anyway.
If you're faster than this with qwerty, you probably aren't going to see much real benefit with Dvorak, since your composition speed is the limiting factor.
(perhaps I'm a slow thinker...)2)  Often the stuff I type isn't vanilla English text, for which Dvorak is optimized.
Programming or LaTeX for example have such unusual letter frequencies that there is no discernible difference between qwerty and Dvorak (both are suboptimal for these tasks).3)  Keyboard shortcuts in programs become super-annoying with Dvorak.
Ctrl-C, ctrl-x, ctrl-v, shift-zz:  All of these were chosen to be quick and easy on a qwerty keyboard.
Under Dvorak they get mapped into inconvenient locations.
Yes you can define a keymap that maps back to qwerty when you press the control key, but after a while you forget the qwerty layout and you get lost.
I never found a good solution to this problem, which was annoying because I found myself using keyboard shortcuts less frequently than I otherwise would.There may be ergonomic reasons for Dvorak (I don't know), but it sounds like that's not your issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396538</id>
	<title>Try typeracer.com</title>
	<author>Jacked</author>
	<datestamp>1267975860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised I haven't seen any references to <a href="http://play.typeracer.com/" title="typeracer.com" rel="nofollow">http://play.typeracer.com/</a> [typeracer.com]. It's pretty cool, you can play alone or race other live players.
</p><p>In a nutshell, if you want to get faster, challenge yourself and practice, practice, practice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised I have n't seen any references to http : //play.typeracer.com/ [ typeracer.com ] .
It 's pretty cool , you can play alone or race other live players .
In a nutshell , if you want to get faster , challenge yourself and practice , practice , practice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised I haven't seen any references to http://play.typeracer.com/ [typeracer.com].
It's pretty cool, you can play alone or race other live players.
In a nutshell, if you want to get faster, challenge yourself and practice, practice, practice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399390</id>
	<title>Re:I call bullshit</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1268054520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yet another fluff piece by kdawson without a shred of credibility.  For all we know, he made this up to fill in for a slow news day.</p></div><p>Note to self: stop reading Slashdot when kdawson is editing because the level of interesting content drops through the floor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another fluff piece by kdawson without a shred of credibility .
For all we know , he made this up to fill in for a slow news day.Note to self : stop reading Slashdot when kdawson is editing because the level of interesting content drops through the floor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another fluff piece by kdawson without a shred of credibility.
For all we know, he made this up to fill in for a slow news day.Note to self: stop reading Slashdot when kdawson is editing because the level of interesting content drops through the floor.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394404</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>100wpm isn't fast enough? What exactly are you typing?</p><p>"Proper technique" positions the hands much more rigidly and is more likely to lead to sore hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>100wpm is n't fast enough ?
What exactly are you typing ?
" Proper technique " positions the hands much more rigidly and is more likely to lead to sore hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>100wpm isn't fast enough?
What exactly are you typing?
"Proper technique" positions the hands much more rigidly and is more likely to lead to sore hands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396114</id>
	<title>I learnt touch typing late in the game</title>
	<author>rsax</author>
	<datestamp>1267972740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was in the same boat and made multiple attempts to learn to type the "right way".  My last, and successful, attempt involved this www.typingmaster.com software (although any decent alternative would work) and lots of discipline.  I made sure I spent at least an hour everyday learning and doing the drills, and then resisted the urge to go back to my old way of typing while not doing the drills.  Now I'm doing great in life and gained an extra inch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in the same boat and made multiple attempts to learn to type the " right way " .
My last , and successful , attempt involved this www.typingmaster.com software ( although any decent alternative would work ) and lots of discipline .
I made sure I spent at least an hour everyday learning and doing the drills , and then resisted the urge to go back to my old way of typing while not doing the drills .
Now I 'm doing great in life and gained an extra inch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in the same boat and made multiple attempts to learn to type the "right way".
My last, and successful, attempt involved this www.typingmaster.com software (although any decent alternative would work) and lots of discipline.
I made sure I spent at least an hour everyday learning and doing the drills, and then resisted the urge to go back to my old way of typing while not doing the drills.
Now I'm doing great in life and gained an extra inch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400342</id>
	<title>Re:100WPM My ass. Or, Get off my lawn.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I just ran through a few tests at typingtest.com and I was hitting 55-65WPM for 100\% accuracy. I'm a fairly decent typist (schooled on a manual typewriter in high school) and there is no way a "hunt and peck" person is topping that.</p><p>Someone reaching 100WPM on a real world test and not just typing "lol" 100 times is typing incredibly fast and has no need to improve or change their keyboard type.</p><p>BS on original poster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I just ran through a few tests at typingtest.com and I was hitting 55-65WPM for 100 \ % accuracy .
I 'm a fairly decent typist ( schooled on a manual typewriter in high school ) and there is no way a " hunt and peck " person is topping that.Someone reaching 100WPM on a real world test and not just typing " lol " 100 times is typing incredibly fast and has no need to improve or change their keyboard type.BS on original poster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I just ran through a few tests at typingtest.com and I was hitting 55-65WPM for 100\% accuracy.
I'm a fairly decent typist (schooled on a manual typewriter in high school) and there is no way a "hunt and peck" person is topping that.Someone reaching 100WPM on a real world test and not just typing "lol" 100 times is typing incredibly fast and has no need to improve or change their keyboard type.BS on original poster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395056</id>
	<title>Actually bad at typing</title>
	<author>oneduckstrees</author>
	<datestamp>1267965600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am also looking to improve my speed, however I am typing at the rather unimpressive 40wpm, if i really try hard I can get to maybe 55. Is typing faster just a case of conciously trying to put words out faster, or will correcting my technique help? I currently only use my right hand shift and only my left hand on the space bar, and I rarely, if ever, use my right hand's pinky finger.

Speeds like the mentioned 110 wpm seem unattainable to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am also looking to improve my speed , however I am typing at the rather unimpressive 40wpm , if i really try hard I can get to maybe 55 .
Is typing faster just a case of conciously trying to put words out faster , or will correcting my technique help ?
I currently only use my right hand shift and only my left hand on the space bar , and I rarely , if ever , use my right hand 's pinky finger .
Speeds like the mentioned 110 wpm seem unattainable to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am also looking to improve my speed, however I am typing at the rather unimpressive 40wpm, if i really try hard I can get to maybe 55.
Is typing faster just a case of conciously trying to put words out faster, or will correcting my technique help?
I currently only use my right hand shift and only my left hand on the space bar, and I rarely, if ever, use my right hand's pinky finger.
Speeds like the mentioned 110 wpm seem unattainable to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400420</id>
	<title>Learning to type: zangband rules!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I learned to type while playing a mage on Moria. Now that would be a *band game, without using the repeat-key or any macros.</p><p>Really, when you have to cast maf maf maa maa mde mde or can't remember which other combination, you get to know pretty fast some of the keys otherwise the game gets a bit long...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned to type while playing a mage on Moria .
Now that would be a * band game , without using the repeat-key or any macros.Really , when you have to cast maf maf maa maa mde mde or ca n't remember which other combination , you get to know pretty fast some of the keys otherwise the game gets a bit long.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned to type while playing a mage on Moria.
Now that would be a *band game, without using the repeat-key or any macros.Really, when you have to cast maf maf maa maa mde mde or can't remember which other combination, you get to know pretty fast some of the keys otherwise the game gets a bit long...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31404818</id>
	<title>Re:I type Shenanigans on the OP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268040540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just took it:<br>Net Speed:    82 WPM<br>(words/minute)<br>Accuracy:    90\%<br>Gross Speed:    91 WPM<br>(words/minute)</p><p>If I actually paid much more attention to it, I probably would have typed faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just took it : Net Speed : 82 WPM ( words/minute ) Accuracy : 90 \ % Gross Speed : 91 WPM ( words/minute ) If I actually paid much more attention to it , I probably would have typed faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just took it:Net Speed:    82 WPM(words/minute)Accuracy:    90\%Gross Speed:    91 WPM(words/minute)If I actually paid much more attention to it, I probably would have typed faster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31409124</id>
	<title>There is no magic pill</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I highly doubt that a hunt and peck style typist could ever achieve 90+ adjusted WPM, but eh - prove me wrong and post a video.  In any event - given that you do want to change your style, know that there is no magic pill that will allow you to switch over night.  This will be a daily thing that you must work on.  The best thing to do is to start off, and type however slow you must to have as near as 100\% accuracy as you can while typing the "correct" way (in your case, with all fingers instead of just your first two digits).  If you can only get 10WPM initially, that's fine.  Then, just do this daily, focusing on accuracy first, and your speed will increase naturally as your muscle memory develops and your confidence increases.  By the way, your muscle memory develops much faster if you aren't looking at your hands and keyboard.</p><p>I went ahead and took the typingtest.com, astronaut, 1 minute, and managed 73 adjusted (75 gross) WPM, which was surprising.  The last time I took a test (20 years ago, in a high school typing class), I was around 40'ish adjusted WPM (probably around 45 gross).  I'm a sysadmin by trade, so no professional typing in a data entry context, so it is possible to improve over time even without being in a profession that demands fast typing.  Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I highly doubt that a hunt and peck style typist could ever achieve 90 + adjusted WPM , but eh - prove me wrong and post a video .
In any event - given that you do want to change your style , know that there is no magic pill that will allow you to switch over night .
This will be a daily thing that you must work on .
The best thing to do is to start off , and type however slow you must to have as near as 100 \ % accuracy as you can while typing the " correct " way ( in your case , with all fingers instead of just your first two digits ) .
If you can only get 10WPM initially , that 's fine .
Then , just do this daily , focusing on accuracy first , and your speed will increase naturally as your muscle memory develops and your confidence increases .
By the way , your muscle memory develops much faster if you are n't looking at your hands and keyboard.I went ahead and took the typingtest.com , astronaut , 1 minute , and managed 73 adjusted ( 75 gross ) WPM , which was surprising .
The last time I took a test ( 20 years ago , in a high school typing class ) , I was around 40'ish adjusted WPM ( probably around 45 gross ) .
I 'm a sysadmin by trade , so no professional typing in a data entry context , so it is possible to improve over time even without being in a profession that demands fast typing .
Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I highly doubt that a hunt and peck style typist could ever achieve 90+ adjusted WPM, but eh - prove me wrong and post a video.
In any event - given that you do want to change your style, know that there is no magic pill that will allow you to switch over night.
This will be a daily thing that you must work on.
The best thing to do is to start off, and type however slow you must to have as near as 100\% accuracy as you can while typing the "correct" way (in your case, with all fingers instead of just your first two digits).
If you can only get 10WPM initially, that's fine.
Then, just do this daily, focusing on accuracy first, and your speed will increase naturally as your muscle memory develops and your confidence increases.
By the way, your muscle memory develops much faster if you aren't looking at your hands and keyboard.I went ahead and took the typingtest.com, astronaut, 1 minute, and managed 73 adjusted (75 gross) WPM, which was surprising.
The last time I took a test (20 years ago, in a high school typing class), I was around 40'ish adjusted WPM (probably around 45 gross).
I'm a sysadmin by trade, so no professional typing in a data entry context, so it is possible to improve over time even without being in a profession that demands fast typing.
Good luck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399106</id>
	<title>It's not that hard...</title>
	<author>patkoscsaba</author>
	<datestamp>1268050560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In highschool I had typewriting lessons on some old mechanical typewriter, it wasn't funny, but it was useful. Than, later I had blind (touch) typewriting classes on still mechanical but electric typewriters. When this happened I was about 18 yeas old and I already knew the "keyboard" since my parents had a computer.
Back than, I thought it was too hard, but than, I got involved as an editor for the highschool's magazine and I started to type with 10 fingers on the computer's keyboard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... this was about 10 years ago. Now, the qwerty keyboards feel like extensions to my fingers. They feel natural and I can type probably faster than some can read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but that's not the point. The point is you have to exercise and don't give up.
If you don't know the rules of typing with 10 fingers, download some typewriting application or do some free tutorials on the Internet. After you've got the basics, just type as you should for everyday use (chat, browsing, documents etc.) and speed will come in time.
Now, some of you say, if he is already typing 100 wpm, why is he even bothering about typing correctly. I can say to you, that if you type with 10 fingers as you should, and you keep your palms rested in front of the keyboard (or on palm-rest) while you type, it is much much more comfortable and more effortless.
And one more thing, always watch the screen, not the keyboard, and don't get angry when you make mistakes, delete and correct. You may want to also use a spellchecker to underline misspelled words.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In highschool I had typewriting lessons on some old mechanical typewriter , it was n't funny , but it was useful .
Than , later I had blind ( touch ) typewriting classes on still mechanical but electric typewriters .
When this happened I was about 18 yeas old and I already knew the " keyboard " since my parents had a computer .
Back than , I thought it was too hard , but than , I got involved as an editor for the highschool 's magazine and I started to type with 10 fingers on the computer 's keyboard ... this was about 10 years ago .
Now , the qwerty keyboards feel like extensions to my fingers .
They feel natural and I can type probably faster than some can read ... but that 's not the point .
The point is you have to exercise and do n't give up .
If you do n't know the rules of typing with 10 fingers , download some typewriting application or do some free tutorials on the Internet .
After you 've got the basics , just type as you should for everyday use ( chat , browsing , documents etc .
) and speed will come in time .
Now , some of you say , if he is already typing 100 wpm , why is he even bothering about typing correctly .
I can say to you , that if you type with 10 fingers as you should , and you keep your palms rested in front of the keyboard ( or on palm-rest ) while you type , it is much much more comfortable and more effortless .
And one more thing , always watch the screen , not the keyboard , and do n't get angry when you make mistakes , delete and correct .
You may want to also use a spellchecker to underline misspelled words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In highschool I had typewriting lessons on some old mechanical typewriter, it wasn't funny, but it was useful.
Than, later I had blind (touch) typewriting classes on still mechanical but electric typewriters.
When this happened I was about 18 yeas old and I already knew the "keyboard" since my parents had a computer.
Back than, I thought it was too hard, but than, I got involved as an editor for the highschool's magazine and I started to type with 10 fingers on the computer's keyboard ... this was about 10 years ago.
Now, the qwerty keyboards feel like extensions to my fingers.
They feel natural and I can type probably faster than some can read ... but that's not the point.
The point is you have to exercise and don't give up.
If you don't know the rules of typing with 10 fingers, download some typewriting application or do some free tutorials on the Internet.
After you've got the basics, just type as you should for everyday use (chat, browsing, documents etc.
) and speed will come in time.
Now, some of you say, if he is already typing 100 wpm, why is he even bothering about typing correctly.
I can say to you, that if you type with 10 fingers as you should, and you keep your palms rested in front of the keyboard (or on palm-rest) while you type, it is much much more comfortable and more effortless.
And one more thing, always watch the screen, not the keyboard, and don't get angry when you make mistakes, delete and correct.
You may want to also use a spellchecker to underline misspelled words.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31404182</id>
	<title>Why? electric keyboards top out above 100 wpm</title>
	<author>niftymitch</author>
	<datestamp>1268081100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Electronic keyboards top out someplace
above 100 wpm depending on make and model.
<p>
All the keyboard speed records were set on
classic manual keyboards AFAIK.
</p><p>
Good keyboard habits make sense for carpal tunnel reasons.  Good chair, good posture, good geometry
and some variability.....  are all important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Electronic keyboards top out someplace above 100 wpm depending on make and model .
All the keyboard speed records were set on classic manual keyboards AFAIK .
Good keyboard habits make sense for carpal tunnel reasons .
Good chair , good posture , good geometry and some variability..... are all important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Electronic keyboards top out someplace
above 100 wpm depending on make and model.
All the keyboard speed records were set on
classic manual keyboards AFAIK.
Good keyboard habits make sense for carpal tunnel reasons.
Good chair, good posture, good geometry
and some variability.....  are all important.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399538</id>
	<title>Are you a secretary?</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1268056140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you seriously need to worry about typing speed? Typing pools are so 1960s.</p><p>Seriously, unless you transcribe documents as a major part of your job, you don't need such fast typing speeds, especially when you can do over one word a second already. If it's such a major part of your job, you should look at shorthand/stenography solutions.</p><p>Maybe your tools are inadequate. A decent IDE includes autocomplete for example.</p><p>On the other hand if you can't type fast whilst not looking at the screen and keyboard - i.e., typing whilst looking at source material, or looking at someone else, then it might be worth putting in some effort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you seriously need to worry about typing speed ?
Typing pools are so 1960s.Seriously , unless you transcribe documents as a major part of your job , you do n't need such fast typing speeds , especially when you can do over one word a second already .
If it 's such a major part of your job , you should look at shorthand/stenography solutions.Maybe your tools are inadequate .
A decent IDE includes autocomplete for example.On the other hand if you ca n't type fast whilst not looking at the screen and keyboard - i.e. , typing whilst looking at source material , or looking at someone else , then it might be worth putting in some effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you seriously need to worry about typing speed?
Typing pools are so 1960s.Seriously, unless you transcribe documents as a major part of your job, you don't need such fast typing speeds, especially when you can do over one word a second already.
If it's such a major part of your job, you should look at shorthand/stenography solutions.Maybe your tools are inadequate.
A decent IDE includes autocomplete for example.On the other hand if you can't type fast whilst not looking at the screen and keyboard - i.e., typing whilst looking at source material, or looking at someone else, then it might be worth putting in some effort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31397352</id>
	<title>Re:100WPM My ass. Or, Get off my lawn.</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1267983300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Model-M that I love.  it was based on the selectric AFAIK.  <a href="http://www.pckeyboard.com/" title="pckeyboard.com">http://www.pckeyboard.com/</a> [pckeyboard.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Model-M that I love .
it was based on the selectric AFAIK .
http : //www.pckeyboard.com/ [ pckeyboard.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Model-M that I love.
it was based on the selectric AFAIK.
http://www.pckeyboard.com/ [pckeyboard.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394514</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>oztiks</author>
	<datestamp>1267961520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what the avg typing rate is with this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what the avg typing rate is with this ...http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 9BnLbv6QYcA [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what the avg typing rate is with this ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31399442</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268055120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.</i></p><p>That may be true, but to the remaining 1\%, a proper keyboard is the first prerequisite. No, these people are not going away, and neither is the command line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept of a " command line " is dead to 99 \ % of the population.That may be true , but to the remaining 1 \ % , a proper keyboard is the first prerequisite .
No , these people are not going away , and neither is the command line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The concept of a "command line" is dead to 99\% of the population.That may be true, but to the remaining 1\%, a proper keyboard is the first prerequisite.
No, these people are not going away, and neither is the command line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396374</id>
	<title>Re:100WPM My ass. Or, Get off my lawn.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267974600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has always perplexed myself also, when people say they type 100wpm. I'd say I type about 70-80wpm real world (haven't tested myself in a few years since I no longer do data entry), and that is fast. Not super fast, but faster than average. Now, I'm not a typing olympian, but I suspect a lot of people that say they do 100wpm+ are most likely in fantasy land. There probably are some freaks of nature that type that fast reliably and consistenty, but I don't think the amount of people that really can do that is any where near equal to the quantity of people claiming such.</p><p>But maybe I'm just bitter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has always perplexed myself also , when people say they type 100wpm .
I 'd say I type about 70-80wpm real world ( have n't tested myself in a few years since I no longer do data entry ) , and that is fast .
Not super fast , but faster than average .
Now , I 'm not a typing olympian , but I suspect a lot of people that say they do 100wpm + are most likely in fantasy land .
There probably are some freaks of nature that type that fast reliably and consistenty , but I do n't think the amount of people that really can do that is any where near equal to the quantity of people claiming such.But maybe I 'm just bitter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has always perplexed myself also, when people say they type 100wpm.
I'd say I type about 70-80wpm real world (haven't tested myself in a few years since I no longer do data entry), and that is fast.
Not super fast, but faster than average.
Now, I'm not a typing olympian, but I suspect a lot of people that say they do 100wpm+ are most likely in fantasy land.
There probably are some freaks of nature that type that fast reliably and consistenty, but I don't think the amount of people that really can do that is any where near equal to the quantity of people claiming such.But maybe I'm just bitter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394422</id>
	<title>Re:Never been less important</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1267960920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you want to believe the marketing droids? Their job is to create demand, and they always have an agenda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you want to believe the marketing droids ?
Their job is to create demand , and they always have an agenda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you want to believe the marketing droids?
Their job is to create demand, and they always have an agenda.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400692</id>
	<title>A couple of things to try</title>
	<author>Dammital</author>
	<datestamp>1268064540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few years ago I experimented with the <a href="http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm" title="kinesis-ergo.com">Kinesis "Advantage"</a> [kinesis-ergo.com] keyboard, trying to alleviate some wrist discomfort I had been experiencing.  I never did warm up to that keyboard, but my fingers <i>did</i> travel less than with a standard layout.  If you're trying to eke out that extra word or two per minute then it might be worth evaluating.  Kinesis keyboards are expensive, but they have a generous 60 day eval policy.
<br> <br>
If your workaday typing includes a fair amount of code, then I'd recommend you use a really capable editor - and I'm thinking emacs here.  I've yet to master the art of emacs-fu, but I have watched those who have, and it's purely astonishing how much code can appear on a screen so quickly, with so few keystrokes, and no mouse movement.  Unobvious and arcane keychords are the name of the game, bolstered by your personal arsenal of editor macros.  After your fingers learn the landscape they become buzzsaws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago I experimented with the Kinesis " Advantage " [ kinesis-ergo.com ] keyboard , trying to alleviate some wrist discomfort I had been experiencing .
I never did warm up to that keyboard , but my fingers did travel less than with a standard layout .
If you 're trying to eke out that extra word or two per minute then it might be worth evaluating .
Kinesis keyboards are expensive , but they have a generous 60 day eval policy .
If your workaday typing includes a fair amount of code , then I 'd recommend you use a really capable editor - and I 'm thinking emacs here .
I 've yet to master the art of emacs-fu , but I have watched those who have , and it 's purely astonishing how much code can appear on a screen so quickly , with so few keystrokes , and no mouse movement .
Unobvious and arcane keychords are the name of the game , bolstered by your personal arsenal of editor macros .
After your fingers learn the landscape they become buzzsaws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago I experimented with the Kinesis "Advantage" [kinesis-ergo.com] keyboard, trying to alleviate some wrist discomfort I had been experiencing.
I never did warm up to that keyboard, but my fingers did travel less than with a standard layout.
If you're trying to eke out that extra word or two per minute then it might be worth evaluating.
Kinesis keyboards are expensive, but they have a generous 60 day eval policy.
If your workaday typing includes a fair amount of code, then I'd recommend you use a really capable editor - and I'm thinking emacs here.
I've yet to master the art of emacs-fu, but I have watched those who have, and it's purely astonishing how much code can appear on a screen so quickly, with so few keystrokes, and no mouse movement.
Unobvious and arcane keychords are the name of the game, bolstered by your personal arsenal of editor macros.
After your fingers learn the landscape they become buzzsaws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31398830</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>SunTzuWarmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1268046780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who learned Dvorak, you can program their keyboard to switch to Dvorak mode fairly quickly.  In fact, it is only a simple matter of going to the control panel and changing a keyboard setting.  On keyboards I frequently use, I used to set up the standard hotkey (ALT+SHIFT+0) as a toggle.</p><p>The point of Dvorak typing is that you don't have to look at the keys, so using a standard keyboard should be perfectly acceptable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who learned Dvorak , you can program their keyboard to switch to Dvorak mode fairly quickly .
In fact , it is only a simple matter of going to the control panel and changing a keyboard setting .
On keyboards I frequently use , I used to set up the standard hotkey ( ALT + SHIFT + 0 ) as a toggle.The point of Dvorak typing is that you do n't have to look at the keys , so using a standard keyboard should be perfectly acceptable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who learned Dvorak, you can program their keyboard to switch to Dvorak mode fairly quickly.
In fact, it is only a simple matter of going to the control panel and changing a keyboard setting.
On keyboards I frequently use, I used to set up the standard hotkey (ALT+SHIFT+0) as a toggle.The point of Dvorak typing is that you don't have to look at the keys, so using a standard keyboard should be perfectly acceptable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396244</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak isn't better</title>
	<author>MattskEE</author>
	<datestamp>1267973580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah yes, the fable of the fable of Dvorak being superior.  All I know for sure scientifically is that there is flawed data and personal bias supporting and refuting the superiority of the Dvorak keyboard.  Read about some of it here: <a href="http://dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html" title="mwbrooks.com">http://dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html</a> [mwbrooks.com]</p><p>Ultimately I don't care what the conclusions of these studies are though.  As an experienced Dvorak and Qwerty typist, I can say confidently that I find it more comfortable to type in Dvorak, since the letters I need are more frequently on the home row of the keyboard.  I have heard many Dvorak typists agree with that assertion.  Scientific?  No.  But possibly compelling.</p><p>I don't really care whether or not I'm slightly faster in Dvorak than if I'd invested the same time training in Qwerty because I can put out 80WPM on either, and I don't need to type stuff that quickly very often.</p><p>Proper touch-typing training in either keyboard will obviously improve your speed and ergonomic comfort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah yes , the fable of the fable of Dvorak being superior .
All I know for sure scientifically is that there is flawed data and personal bias supporting and refuting the superiority of the Dvorak keyboard .
Read about some of it here : http : //dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html [ mwbrooks.com ] Ultimately I do n't care what the conclusions of these studies are though .
As an experienced Dvorak and Qwerty typist , I can say confidently that I find it more comfortable to type in Dvorak , since the letters I need are more frequently on the home row of the keyboard .
I have heard many Dvorak typists agree with that assertion .
Scientific ? No .
But possibly compelling.I do n't really care whether or not I 'm slightly faster in Dvorak than if I 'd invested the same time training in Qwerty because I can put out 80WPM on either , and I do n't need to type stuff that quickly very often.Proper touch-typing training in either keyboard will obviously improve your speed and ergonomic comfort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah yes, the fable of the fable of Dvorak being superior.
All I know for sure scientifically is that there is flawed data and personal bias supporting and refuting the superiority of the Dvorak keyboard.
Read about some of it here: http://dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html [mwbrooks.com]Ultimately I don't care what the conclusions of these studies are though.
As an experienced Dvorak and Qwerty typist, I can say confidently that I find it more comfortable to type in Dvorak, since the letters I need are more frequently on the home row of the keyboard.
I have heard many Dvorak typists agree with that assertion.
Scientific?  No.
But possibly compelling.I don't really care whether or not I'm slightly faster in Dvorak than if I'd invested the same time training in Qwerty because I can put out 80WPM on either, and I don't need to type stuff that quickly very often.Proper touch-typing training in either keyboard will obviously improve your speed and ergonomic comfort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396836</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1267978260000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If he's typing 90-110 (and he's not, seriously, what a liar) then there's pretty much nothing he can do to increase speed. If you've gone a significant amount of time without ever developing carpel tunnel, then you're probably ok with whatever you're doing. If you want to increase your speed, step 1 is determining your actual speed instead of making up a high number.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If he 's typing 90-110 ( and he 's not , seriously , what a liar ) then there 's pretty much nothing he can do to increase speed .
If you 've gone a significant amount of time without ever developing carpel tunnel , then you 're probably ok with whatever you 're doing .
If you want to increase your speed , step 1 is determining your actual speed instead of making up a high number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he's typing 90-110 (and he's not, seriously, what a liar) then there's pretty much nothing he can do to increase speed.
If you've gone a significant amount of time without ever developing carpel tunnel, then you're probably ok with whatever you're doing.
If you want to increase your speed, step 1 is determining your actual speed instead of making up a high number.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396488</id>
	<title>My 2 cents</title>
	<author>WinstonWolfIT</author>
	<datestamp>1267975440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My mom was a secretary for the military who worked for years on an IBM electric and was rated at 140. I went through a typing program in college and could comfortably do 90. I have massive palms, and short wide fingers, and 95\% of my typed output for the past 2 decades has been code, so my my raw throughput has eroded. My youngest took typing in high school and was rated also at 140, and my eldest who never took a formal course is faster than she is. As is common these days, they were both typing when they were just barely out of diapers.

The biggest detriment to fast typing these days is crap keyboards with small circular buffers and terrible tactility. If you have one of these, you would be far faster with a good keyboard than you ever would be with switching to Dvorak. That's my 2 cents anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My mom was a secretary for the military who worked for years on an IBM electric and was rated at 140 .
I went through a typing program in college and could comfortably do 90 .
I have massive palms , and short wide fingers , and 95 \ % of my typed output for the past 2 decades has been code , so my my raw throughput has eroded .
My youngest took typing in high school and was rated also at 140 , and my eldest who never took a formal course is faster than she is .
As is common these days , they were both typing when they were just barely out of diapers .
The biggest detriment to fast typing these days is crap keyboards with small circular buffers and terrible tactility .
If you have one of these , you would be far faster with a good keyboard than you ever would be with switching to Dvorak .
That 's my 2 cents anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mom was a secretary for the military who worked for years on an IBM electric and was rated at 140.
I went through a typing program in college and could comfortably do 90.
I have massive palms, and short wide fingers, and 95\% of my typed output for the past 2 decades has been code, so my my raw throughput has eroded.
My youngest took typing in high school and was rated also at 140, and my eldest who never took a formal course is faster than she is.
As is common these days, they were both typing when they were just barely out of diapers.
The biggest detriment to fast typing these days is crap keyboards with small circular buffers and terrible tactility.
If you have one of these, you would be far faster with a good keyboard than you ever would be with switching to Dvorak.
That's my 2 cents anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396498</id>
	<title>Re:Dvorak</title>
	<author>zlel</author>
	<datestamp>1267975500000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use dvorak for english typing and qwerty for japanese. my fingers remember the keys that way - i can still, but find it less natural to type querty for english, and in the same way, i find it odd to type dvorak for japanese. it's all mascular memory at the end of the day. the reason i use dvorak though, is neither medical nor speed, it just feels better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use dvorak for english typing and qwerty for japanese .
my fingers remember the keys that way - i can still , but find it less natural to type querty for english , and in the same way , i find it odd to type dvorak for japanese .
it 's all mascular memory at the end of the day .
the reason i use dvorak though , is neither medical nor speed , it just feels better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use dvorak for english typing and qwerty for japanese.
my fingers remember the keys that way - i can still, but find it less natural to type querty for english, and in the same way, i find it odd to type dvorak for japanese.
it's all mascular memory at the end of the day.
the reason i use dvorak though, is neither medical nor speed, it just feels better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31396166</id>
	<title>switch?  yes.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267973040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dvorak?  Heck no.</p><p>www.colemak.com</p><p>If you want to see a brief presentation on it and why it's better, refer to my youtube video.  I gave a speech on it for a class, should be the first result of a youtube search for 'colemak'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dvorak ?
Heck no.www.colemak.comIf you want to see a brief presentation on it and why it 's better , refer to my youtube video .
I gave a speech on it for a class , should be the first result of a youtube search for 'colemak' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dvorak?
Heck no.www.colemak.comIf you want to see a brief presentation on it and why it's better, refer to my youtube video.
I gave a speech on it for a class, should be the first result of a youtube search for 'colemak'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31400196</id>
	<title>why fix what isn't broken</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268061180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people can't type in that range.  Many people who were properly trained can deliver that performance.  But I would say unless you are having difficulty with discomfort or pain, why fix what isn't broken?  Most discomfort can be solved simply by not resting your palms on the keyboard, but rather keeping your wrists higher.  That takes stress off your forearms and wrists.  But in terms of speed retraining yourself to type 10\% faster isn't going to make a marketable difference when you can already type faster than the majority of people, or as fast as many touch typists.  Is a half page an hour really worth the investment in your time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people ca n't type in that range .
Many people who were properly trained can deliver that performance .
But I would say unless you are having difficulty with discomfort or pain , why fix what is n't broken ?
Most discomfort can be solved simply by not resting your palms on the keyboard , but rather keeping your wrists higher .
That takes stress off your forearms and wrists .
But in terms of speed retraining yourself to type 10 \ % faster is n't going to make a marketable difference when you can already type faster than the majority of people , or as fast as many touch typists .
Is a half page an hour really worth the investment in your time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people can't type in that range.
Many people who were properly trained can deliver that performance.
But I would say unless you are having difficulty with discomfort or pain, why fix what isn't broken?
Most discomfort can be solved simply by not resting your palms on the keyboard, but rather keeping your wrists higher.
That takes stress off your forearms and wrists.
But in terms of speed retraining yourself to type 10\% faster isn't going to make a marketable difference when you can already type faster than the majority of people, or as fast as many touch typists.
Is a half page an hour really worth the investment in your time?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394458</id>
	<title>I call bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267961220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> These days my qwerty typing speed is in the range of 90-110 WPM</i></p><p>Hunt and peck <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words\_per\_minute" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">maxes out at about 40WPM, with burst speeds of up to 70WPM</a> [wikipedia.org]. I doubt this is a sustained typing speed.  And there is no indication of error rates.</p><p>Yet another fluff piece by kdawson without a shred of credibility.  For all we know, he made this up to fill in for a slow news day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These days my qwerty typing speed is in the range of 90-110 WPMHunt and peck maxes out at about 40WPM , with burst speeds of up to 70WPM [ wikipedia.org ] .
I doubt this is a sustained typing speed .
And there is no indication of error rates.Yet another fluff piece by kdawson without a shred of credibility .
For all we know , he made this up to fill in for a slow news day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> These days my qwerty typing speed is in the range of 90-110 WPMHunt and peck maxes out at about 40WPM, with burst speeds of up to 70WPM [wikipedia.org].
I doubt this is a sustained typing speed.
And there is no indication of error rates.Yet another fluff piece by kdawson without a shred of credibility.
For all we know, he made this up to fill in for a slow news day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394228</id>
	<title>Auto-correct ehhh!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267960080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I messed up my poor type using M$ auto-correct. Things that are left and right, my timing is all off, and it has never corrected itself. I think it is one of the worst features I have ever came across. I feel handicapped now. I think if you type fast enough that is great, but if there is something that is slowing you down, try to fix it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I messed up my poor type using M $ auto-correct .
Things that are left and right , my timing is all off , and it has never corrected itself .
I think it is one of the worst features I have ever came across .
I feel handicapped now .
I think if you type fast enough that is great , but if there is something that is slowing you down , try to fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I messed up my poor type using M$ auto-correct.
Things that are left and right, my timing is all off, and it has never corrected itself.
I think it is one of the worst features I have ever came across.
I feel handicapped now.
I think if you type fast enough that is great, but if there is something that is slowing you down, try to fix it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394694</id>
	<title>Re:Use a qwerty touch typing program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267962780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hitting a wall" at 90-100WPM is like driving a car that "only" does 100MPH. Hardly anyone benefits from typing or driving faster than that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hitting a wall " at 90-100WPM is like driving a car that " only " does 100MPH .
Hardly anyone benefits from typing or driving faster than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hitting a wall" at 90-100WPM is like driving a car that "only" does 100MPH.
Hardly anyone benefits from typing or driving faster than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395252</id>
	<title>Only one way: practice correct fingerings.</title>
	<author>Kaz Kylheku</author>
	<datestamp>1267967040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a musician, I confront this problem regularly: each music piece has its own fingering challenges. To play the piece, you must choose a fingering. Until you rehearse that fingering, you can't always be sure it is the best one, especially in relation to what comes before and after. Sometimes you have to go back and revise fingerings long after you know a piece of music. I've successfully replaced fingerings in music pieces that I have known for more than ten years. Persistence is key.</p><p>To achieve a fingering change, I have to focus and force myself to use the new fingering when that passage comes up. Since the new fingering is awkward at first, I slow down. Or completely sacrifice the tempo: i.e. come to a halt before the new fingering passage and then play through it slowly. Also, I practice the passage separately, over and over again, including a few notes of surrounding context.</p><p>The old fingering is banished; I cease to play it, except by accident.</p><p>Eventually the new fingering will set in, replacing the old.</p><p>I think if you want to change your typing fingering, you have to do the same. Slow down and force yourself to use the desired fingering. Banish the old one. From now on, don't answer an e-mail, type a command-line or edit program code using the old fingering. Go as slowly as is necessary to place each finger the way you want, even if you are reduced to a snail's pace. If you persist, you will develop speed once again.</p><p>Also, maybe get some typing exercises and practice a little bit using the new fingering. Say, 15 to 20 minutes per day.</p><p>Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a musician , I confront this problem regularly : each music piece has its own fingering challenges .
To play the piece , you must choose a fingering .
Until you rehearse that fingering , you ca n't always be sure it is the best one , especially in relation to what comes before and after .
Sometimes you have to go back and revise fingerings long after you know a piece of music .
I 've successfully replaced fingerings in music pieces that I have known for more than ten years .
Persistence is key.To achieve a fingering change , I have to focus and force myself to use the new fingering when that passage comes up .
Since the new fingering is awkward at first , I slow down .
Or completely sacrifice the tempo : i.e .
come to a halt before the new fingering passage and then play through it slowly .
Also , I practice the passage separately , over and over again , including a few notes of surrounding context.The old fingering is banished ; I cease to play it , except by accident.Eventually the new fingering will set in , replacing the old.I think if you want to change your typing fingering , you have to do the same .
Slow down and force yourself to use the desired fingering .
Banish the old one .
From now on , do n't answer an e-mail , type a command-line or edit program code using the old fingering .
Go as slowly as is necessary to place each finger the way you want , even if you are reduced to a snail 's pace .
If you persist , you will develop speed once again.Also , maybe get some typing exercises and practice a little bit using the new fingering .
Say , 15 to 20 minutes per day.Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a musician, I confront this problem regularly: each music piece has its own fingering challenges.
To play the piece, you must choose a fingering.
Until you rehearse that fingering, you can't always be sure it is the best one, especially in relation to what comes before and after.
Sometimes you have to go back and revise fingerings long after you know a piece of music.
I've successfully replaced fingerings in music pieces that I have known for more than ten years.
Persistence is key.To achieve a fingering change, I have to focus and force myself to use the new fingering when that passage comes up.
Since the new fingering is awkward at first, I slow down.
Or completely sacrifice the tempo: i.e.
come to a halt before the new fingering passage and then play through it slowly.
Also, I practice the passage separately, over and over again, including a few notes of surrounding context.The old fingering is banished; I cease to play it, except by accident.Eventually the new fingering will set in, replacing the old.I think if you want to change your typing fingering, you have to do the same.
Slow down and force yourself to use the desired fingering.
Banish the old one.
From now on, don't answer an e-mail, type a command-line or edit program code using the old fingering.
Go as slowly as is necessary to place each finger the way you want, even if you are reduced to a snail's pace.
If you persist, you will develop speed once again.Also, maybe get some typing exercises and practice a little bit using the new fingering.
Say, 15 to 20 minutes per day.Good luck.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395356</id>
	<title>Re:Why? - silly</title>
	<author>Odinlake</author>
	<datestamp>1267968000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is this a medical concern, or are you trying to improve speed?</p><p>If you work in a data entry job, I guess it makes sense, but if you're actually spewing out so much code or documentation that typing speed is becoming an issue.. you're either a mad genius or producing some very poor quality code!</p><p>I honestly think when it comes to most non-data entry jobs.. quality is generally better than quantity. A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.</p></div><p>That's a silly comment - code documentation or whatever, obviously he does a lot of typing. If he increases typing speed by 30\% he reduces the time spent on typing by 30\% and so can do something more important with that time. If this is only 20 min per day that may still be enough to make improving relevant. I'm pretty much in the same position, I write emails, comments (on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.), papers and various things on the net - it adds up.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Is this a medical concern , or are you trying to improve speed ? If you work in a data entry job , I guess it makes sense , but if you 're actually spewing out so much code or documentation that typing speed is becoming an issue.. you 're either a mad genius or producing some very poor quality code ! I honestly think when it comes to most non-data entry jobs.. quality is generally better than quantity .
A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.That 's a silly comment - code documentation or whatever , obviously he does a lot of typing .
If he increases typing speed by 30 \ % he reduces the time spent on typing by 30 \ % and so can do something more important with that time .
If this is only 20 min per day that may still be enough to make improving relevant .
I 'm pretty much in the same position , I write emails , comments ( on / .
) , papers and various things on the net - it adds up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this a medical concern, or are you trying to improve speed?If you work in a data entry job, I guess it makes sense, but if you're actually spewing out so much code or documentation that typing speed is becoming an issue.. you're either a mad genius or producing some very poor quality code!I honestly think when it comes to most non-data entry jobs.. quality is generally better than quantity.
A few slowly typed but well thought out lines are always going to be better than a page of garbage.That's a silly comment - code documentation or whatever, obviously he does a lot of typing.
If he increases typing speed by 30\% he reduces the time spent on typing by 30\% and so can do something more important with that time.
If this is only 20 min per day that may still be enough to make improving relevant.
I'm pretty much in the same position, I write emails, comments (on /.
), papers and various things on the net - it adds up.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31408724</id>
	<title>STOP LOOKING AT THE KEYBOARD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And use the Force already.  Silly rabbit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And use the Force already .
Silly rabbit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And use the Force already.
Silly rabbit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394970</id>
	<title>dvorak == good</title>
	<author>weltschmerz</author>
	<datestamp>1267965000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i switched to dvorak around 1999. i haven't looked back. it is just so far superior to qwerty, in terms of comfort, that i couldn't imagine it any other way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i switched to dvorak around 1999. i have n't looked back .
it is just so far superior to qwerty , in terms of comfort , that i could n't imagine it any other way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i switched to dvorak around 1999. i haven't looked back.
it is just so far superior to qwerty, in terms of comfort, that i couldn't imagine it any other way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31402140</id>
	<title>Short sentence teaches all keys...</title>
	<author>suzanof</author>
	<datestamp>1268071860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." The sentence uses all 26 letters of the alphabet.
Type it enough times using the correct fingers and by George, I think you'll get it!  You can decide if it's worth the effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog .
" The sentence uses all 26 letters of the alphabet .
Type it enough times using the correct fingers and by George , I think you 'll get it !
You can decide if it 's worth the effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
" The sentence uses all 26 letters of the alphabet.
Type it enough times using the correct fingers and by George, I think you'll get it!
You can decide if it's worth the effort.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31403158</id>
	<title>Do it right...</title>
	<author>TemporalBeing</author>
	<datestamp>1268076420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and get a split-key keyboard. it'll force you to use the right hands/fingers for typing, and you'll be fully touch-typing before you know it.
Personally I recommend either of these (despite their maker):
<ul>
<li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=043" title="microsoft.com">MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000</a> [microsoft.com]</li> <li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=014" title="microsoft.com">MS Optical Desktop Pro</a> [microsoft.com] (Mouse and Keyboard)</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and get a split-key keyboard .
it 'll force you to use the right hands/fingers for typing , and you 'll be fully touch-typing before you know it .
Personally I recommend either of these ( despite their maker ) : MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 [ microsoft.com ] MS Optical Desktop Pro [ microsoft.com ] ( Mouse and Keyboard )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and get a split-key keyboard.
it'll force you to use the right hands/fingers for typing, and you'll be fully touch-typing before you know it.
Personally I recommend either of these (despite their maker):

 MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 [microsoft.com]  MS Optical Desktop Pro [microsoft.com] (Mouse and Keyboard)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394210</id>
	<title>Don't bother.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267959960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>
My opinion:  if you can achieve over 80 wpm with your version of hunt and peck, you're not making many errors, and you don't need to look at the keyboard to keep up with live (typed) chat conversations, then that's really all you need.  Higher speeds is just going to stress the tendons.  If you are truly held back in pouring your ideas into the computer at this speed, then you should have employees.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My opinion : if you can achieve over 80 wpm with your version of hunt and peck , you 're not making many errors , and you do n't need to look at the keyboard to keep up with live ( typed ) chat conversations , then that 's really all you need .
Higher speeds is just going to stress the tendons .
If you are truly held back in pouring your ideas into the computer at this speed , then you should have employees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
My opinion:  if you can achieve over 80 wpm with your version of hunt and peck, you're not making many errors, and you don't need to look at the keyboard to keep up with live (typed) chat conversations, then that's really all you need.
Higher speeds is just going to stress the tendons.
If you are truly held back in pouring your ideas into the computer at this speed, then you should have employees.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395442</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>aspectator</author>
	<datestamp>1267968600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I write relatively large pieces of *new* code, I work in distinct phases.

One phase is thinking, planning and generally percolating ideas.  This can go on for weeks as I work out the the design.  I might not physically interact with a computer much, preferring pads of paper and office toys.

At some point I hit a point where things "click" and I can envision the full system's operation in sufficient detail.

The next phase is typing.  This can on for some time too depending on the size of the system.  At this point, I generally listen to loud techno, industrial, etc and my "coding" task essentially *is* data entry, whether I am typing in unit tests or actual implementation code.

There are of course other phases, but the point of calling out these two is that there are processes whereby subby's typing speed might not affect his/her final quality.

Typing speed does matter here, and generally does not affect the quality of the finished product.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I write relatively large pieces of * new * code , I work in distinct phases .
One phase is thinking , planning and generally percolating ideas .
This can go on for weeks as I work out the the design .
I might not physically interact with a computer much , preferring pads of paper and office toys .
At some point I hit a point where things " click " and I can envision the full system 's operation in sufficient detail .
The next phase is typing .
This can on for some time too depending on the size of the system .
At this point , I generally listen to loud techno , industrial , etc and my " coding " task essentially * is * data entry , whether I am typing in unit tests or actual implementation code .
There are of course other phases , but the point of calling out these two is that there are processes whereby subby 's typing speed might not affect his/her final quality .
Typing speed does matter here , and generally does not affect the quality of the finished product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I write relatively large pieces of *new* code, I work in distinct phases.
One phase is thinking, planning and generally percolating ideas.
This can go on for weeks as I work out the the design.
I might not physically interact with a computer much, preferring pads of paper and office toys.
At some point I hit a point where things "click" and I can envision the full system's operation in sufficient detail.
The next phase is typing.
This can on for some time too depending on the size of the system.
At this point, I generally listen to loud techno, industrial, etc and my "coding" task essentially *is* data entry, whether I am typing in unit tests or actual implementation code.
There are of course other phases, but the point of calling out these two is that there are processes whereby subby's typing speed might not affect his/her final quality.
Typing speed does matter here, and generally does not affect the quality of the finished product.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31394168</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_2110251.31395840</id>
	<title>I had the same condition.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267971000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>To fix, I simply paid attention to my fingers as I typed.  On notice that I typed something in a way that I didn't want, I backed up and typed it the way I did want.  my pinky started hitting the 'p' key over time.  Now, I'm still not perfect, but still changing, too.

Regards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To fix , I simply paid attention to my fingers as I typed .
On notice that I typed something in a way that I did n't want , I backed up and typed it the way I did want .
my pinky started hitting the 'p ' key over time .
Now , I 'm still not perfect , but still changing , too .
Regards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To fix, I simply paid attention to my fingers as I typed.
On notice that I typed something in a way that I didn't want, I backed up and typed it the way I did want.
my pinky started hitting the 'p' key over time.
Now, I'm still not perfect, but still changing, too.
Regards.</sentencetext>
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