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	<title>Ask the UK Pirate Party's Andrew Robinson About the Issues</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267956360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>VJ42 writes <i>"With the 2010 UK general election <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_Kingdom\_general\_election,\_2010#Date\_of\_the\_election">fast approaching</a>, the Pirate Party of the United Kingdom will be fielding elections for the first time. The <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/mar/6/lib-dems-make-digital-economy-bill-even-worse/">Digital Economy bill</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement">ACTA</a> are hot topics for UK geeks, and the Pirate Party is looking to pick up some votes. Their leader, <a href="mailto:a.robinson@pirateparty.org.uk">Andrew Robinson</a>, has agreed to answer your questions. Normal <a href="http://slashdot.org/faq/interviews.shtml">Slashdot interview rules</a> apply."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>VJ42 writes " With the 2010 UK general election fast approaching , the Pirate Party of the United Kingdom will be fielding elections for the first time .
The Digital Economy bill and ACTA are hot topics for UK geeks , and the Pirate Party is looking to pick up some votes .
Their leader , Andrew Robinson , has agreed to answer your questions .
Normal Slashdot interview rules apply .
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<sentencetext>VJ42 writes "With the 2010 UK general election fast approaching, the Pirate Party of the United Kingdom will be fielding elections for the first time.
The Digital Economy bill and ACTA are hot topics for UK geeks, and the Pirate Party is looking to pick up some votes.
Their leader, Andrew Robinson, has agreed to answer your questions.
Normal Slashdot interview rules apply.
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	<title>Any chance of a complete programme?</title>
	<author>hughbar</author>
	<datestamp>1268052480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I'm both a green-supporter, leftish libertarian and (actually) a supporter of anything that will break the mould in decaying world of political 'brands'. Thus, I look with some favour on Pirate Party etc. etc.
<br> <br>
But (you heard that coming, right?)  there isn't a complete programme, a problem also for many green parties. Do you intend to do serious policy research and formulation and evolve a complete coherent position that would enable you to govern? When?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm both a green-supporter , leftish libertarian and ( actually ) a supporter of anything that will break the mould in decaying world of political 'brands' .
Thus , I look with some favour on Pirate Party etc .
etc . But ( you heard that coming , right ?
) there is n't a complete programme , a problem also for many green parties .
Do you intend to do serious policy research and formulation and evolve a complete coherent position that would enable you to govern ?
When ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm both a green-supporter, leftish libertarian and (actually) a supporter of anything that will break the mould in decaying world of political 'brands'.
Thus, I look with some favour on Pirate Party etc.
etc.
 
But (you heard that coming, right?
)  there isn't a complete programme, a problem also for many green parties.
Do you intend to do serious policy research and formulation and evolve a complete coherent position that would enable you to govern?
When?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400052</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268060160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> whilst still making sure that the 2 years+ unemployed bloke next door can come up a new idea and use it to get out of the rut that he's currently stuck in?</p></div><p>Generally, if he's so unemployable, he's not coming up with an idea that's going to net him millions, no matter the copyright laws.</p><p>To answer your other questions: You can't without more money, you can't have a war on a concept, the government has little effect on the economy, not build a fucking wall, when did it become the government's job to make sure your kid doesn't grow up to be an asshole?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>whilst still making sure that the 2 years + unemployed bloke next door can come up a new idea and use it to get out of the rut that he 's currently stuck in ? Generally , if he 's so unemployable , he 's not coming up with an idea that 's going to net him millions , no matter the copyright laws.To answer your other questions : You ca n't without more money , you ca n't have a war on a concept , the government has little effect on the economy , not build a fucking wall , when did it become the government 's job to make sure your kid does n't grow up to be an asshole ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> whilst still making sure that the 2 years+ unemployed bloke next door can come up a new idea and use it to get out of the rut that he's currently stuck in?Generally, if he's so unemployable, he's not coming up with an idea that's going to net him millions, no matter the copyright laws.To answer your other questions: You can't without more money, you can't have a war on a concept, the government has little effect on the economy, not build a fucking wall, when did it become the government's job to make sure your kid doesn't grow up to be an asshole?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398886</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>FeepingCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1268047500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No.<br>
<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>
<br>
Basically, I disagree with everything you said. No, you shouldn't be able to retain permanent control over an idea. No, saving the GPL is not worth perpetuating our current broken copyright. And no, a world with drastically reduced creator control over their "intellectual property" would be on the whole far less controlling, instead of more.<br>
<br>
Besides, how often does the GPL come up in non-commercial cases?</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
: ) Basically , I disagree with everything you said .
No , you should n't be able to retain permanent control over an idea .
No , saving the GPL is not worth perpetuating our current broken copyright .
And no , a world with drastically reduced creator control over their " intellectual property " would be on the whole far less controlling , instead of more .
Besides , how often does the GPL come up in non-commercial cases ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
:)

Basically, I disagree with everything you said.
No, you shouldn't be able to retain permanent control over an idea.
No, saving the GPL is not worth perpetuating our current broken copyright.
And no, a world with drastically reduced creator control over their "intellectual property" would be on the whole far less controlling, instead of more.
Besides, how often does the GPL come up in non-commercial cases?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398904</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268047680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they shorten copyright term to 5 or 3 years, it won't affect anything: who in the GPL land hasn't *changed* the code for that long? You can have the old version all you like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they shorten copyright term to 5 or 3 years , it wo n't affect anything : who in the GPL land has n't * changed * the code for that long ?
You can have the old version all you like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they shorten copyright term to 5 or 3 years, it won't affect anything: who in the GPL land hasn't *changed* the code for that long?
You can have the old version all you like.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399010</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268049000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy to answer. Content creators will be paid for the work they are actually doing at the time of content creation, not for the work they have done 20 years ago. The people that need the content---be it music, software, news or books---will pay the content creators. How this works in the detail depends on the domain. Most musicians, for example, already today live off teaching and giving concerts, so for them the changes will not be very huge. Journals and news items will probably become subscription-based and hand-tailored to the interests of the customers. How it affects the book market I personally cannot imagine, but since the vast majority of authors cannot make a living out of their books right now either, the changes will be much smaller than you might expect. I suppose the selling of physical items will become more important, so e.g. things like the quality of the print and typesetting of a book  will matter more than now. Textbooks will be written by university staff and made available for free, which is already getting more and more common without changes in copyright law. All in all, the changes will be smaller than people might expect. However, there will be less crappy pop music, because wannabe musicians will no longer be able to compete against the professionals who have studied their instruments when their most important source of income is from live music and teaching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy to answer .
Content creators will be paid for the work they are actually doing at the time of content creation , not for the work they have done 20 years ago .
The people that need the content---be it music , software , news or books---will pay the content creators .
How this works in the detail depends on the domain .
Most musicians , for example , already today live off teaching and giving concerts , so for them the changes will not be very huge .
Journals and news items will probably become subscription-based and hand-tailored to the interests of the customers .
How it affects the book market I personally can not imagine , but since the vast majority of authors can not make a living out of their books right now either , the changes will be much smaller than you might expect .
I suppose the selling of physical items will become more important , so e.g .
things like the quality of the print and typesetting of a book will matter more than now .
Textbooks will be written by university staff and made available for free , which is already getting more and more common without changes in copyright law .
All in all , the changes will be smaller than people might expect .
However , there will be less crappy pop music , because wannabe musicians will no longer be able to compete against the professionals who have studied their instruments when their most important source of income is from live music and teaching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy to answer.
Content creators will be paid for the work they are actually doing at the time of content creation, not for the work they have done 20 years ago.
The people that need the content---be it music, software, news or books---will pay the content creators.
How this works in the detail depends on the domain.
Most musicians, for example, already today live off teaching and giving concerts, so for them the changes will not be very huge.
Journals and news items will probably become subscription-based and hand-tailored to the interests of the customers.
How it affects the book market I personally cannot imagine, but since the vast majority of authors cannot make a living out of their books right now either, the changes will be much smaller than you might expect.
I suppose the selling of physical items will become more important, so e.g.
things like the quality of the print and typesetting of a book  will matter more than now.
Textbooks will be written by university staff and made available for free, which is already getting more and more common without changes in copyright law.
All in all, the changes will be smaller than people might expect.
However, there will be less crappy pop music, because wannabe musicians will no longer be able to compete against the professionals who have studied their instruments when their most important source of income is from live music and teaching.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400642</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Fri13</author>
	<datestamp>1268064120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPL would not be unnecessary at all then. Because the copyright being only 10 (or less) years, it would make all available open source code as public domain and you can close it and never show the source to anyone.</p><p>GPL is demanding that the software user who gets the binary, gets the sources as well by some way.</p><p><a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html</a> [gnu.org]</p><p>We can not throw away all the copyrights. There are many situations that you need to maintain the copyright. In one case 5 years is enough, but some cases over 50 years is enough.</p><p>And why we are always fighting with copyright laws in US or GB? There are lots of countries where are sane laws about copyright.</p><p>Example Finland. If you buy a CD or DVD (or Blu-ray) you have rights to make few copies of it for your own personal use or to your closest friends and family. Few means here 3-10. And those who gets copies, can not copy or deliver them to any other. So you can make your backups and copies to car, MP3-player, to summer house etc.</p><p>You can even break the encryption to see or listen video/music what you bought and translate the music to format what fits to you.</p><p>But you can not sell or share the mixed version of the copyrighted material what you have. No one can not stop you to mix it for yourself such thing but not to share it. If you mix music and you actually create something new what is not the original or similar, you can share it and you have the copyright for it.<br>But that line is very thin and very hard to say when you step over that so you can do it.</p><p>U.S and GB and many of their old ruled countries has a common law and it allows them to have very stupid laws in place. In other germanic countries there are laws but you always need to understand what is the reason why something has be done and judge it by moral and wisdom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPL would not be unnecessary at all then .
Because the copyright being only 10 ( or less ) years , it would make all available open source code as public domain and you can close it and never show the source to anyone.GPL is demanding that the software user who gets the binary , gets the sources as well by some way.http : //www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html [ gnu.org ] We can not throw away all the copyrights .
There are many situations that you need to maintain the copyright .
In one case 5 years is enough , but some cases over 50 years is enough.And why we are always fighting with copyright laws in US or GB ?
There are lots of countries where are sane laws about copyright.Example Finland .
If you buy a CD or DVD ( or Blu-ray ) you have rights to make few copies of it for your own personal use or to your closest friends and family .
Few means here 3-10 .
And those who gets copies , can not copy or deliver them to any other .
So you can make your backups and copies to car , MP3-player , to summer house etc.You can even break the encryption to see or listen video/music what you bought and translate the music to format what fits to you.But you can not sell or share the mixed version of the copyrighted material what you have .
No one can not stop you to mix it for yourself such thing but not to share it .
If you mix music and you actually create something new what is not the original or similar , you can share it and you have the copyright for it.But that line is very thin and very hard to say when you step over that so you can do it.U.S and GB and many of their old ruled countries has a common law and it allows them to have very stupid laws in place .
In other germanic countries there are laws but you always need to understand what is the reason why something has be done and judge it by moral and wisdom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPL would not be unnecessary at all then.
Because the copyright being only 10 (or less) years, it would make all available open source code as public domain and you can close it and never show the source to anyone.GPL is demanding that the software user who gets the binary, gets the sources as well by some way.http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html [gnu.org]We can not throw away all the copyrights.
There are many situations that you need to maintain the copyright.
In one case 5 years is enough, but some cases over 50 years is enough.And why we are always fighting with copyright laws in US or GB?
There are lots of countries where are sane laws about copyright.Example Finland.
If you buy a CD or DVD (or Blu-ray) you have rights to make few copies of it for your own personal use or to your closest friends and family.
Few means here 3-10.
And those who gets copies, can not copy or deliver them to any other.
So you can make your backups and copies to car, MP3-player, to summer house etc.You can even break the encryption to see or listen video/music what you bought and translate the music to format what fits to you.But you can not sell or share the mixed version of the copyrighted material what you have.
No one can not stop you to mix it for yourself such thing but not to share it.
If you mix music and you actually create something new what is not the original or similar, you can share it and you have the copyright for it.But that line is very thin and very hard to say when you step over that so you can do it.U.S and GB and many of their old ruled countries has a common law and it allows them to have very stupid laws in place.
In other germanic countries there are laws but you always need to understand what is the reason why something has be done and judge it by moral and wisdom.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400736</id>
	<title>Monsanto and their genetically modified seeds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the party's stance on patents on genetics?  Take, for example, Monsanto (read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto), who has patents on genetically modified seeds.  They can sue farmers for patent infringement even if the farmers never bought Monsanto seeds.  Farmers caught with hybrid crops can be sued into bankruptcy, even if they unwillingly and unknowingly had Monsanto seeds; Monsanto has even sued farmers in Canada, thanks to the Canadian Supreme Court.  I think Mexican farmers have had trouble with Monsanto and their team of lawyers (but I currently do not have a source).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the party 's stance on patents on genetics ?
Take , for example , Monsanto ( read more at http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto ) , who has patents on genetically modified seeds .
They can sue farmers for patent infringement even if the farmers never bought Monsanto seeds .
Farmers caught with hybrid crops can be sued into bankruptcy , even if they unwillingly and unknowingly had Monsanto seeds ; Monsanto has even sued farmers in Canada , thanks to the Canadian Supreme Court .
I think Mexican farmers have had trouble with Monsanto and their team of lawyers ( but I currently do not have a source ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the party's stance on patents on genetics?
Take, for example, Monsanto (read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto), who has patents on genetically modified seeds.
They can sue farmers for patent infringement even if the farmers never bought Monsanto seeds.
Farmers caught with hybrid crops can be sued into bankruptcy, even if they unwillingly and unknowingly had Monsanto seeds; Monsanto has even sued farmers in Canada, thanks to the Canadian Supreme Court.
I think Mexican farmers have had trouble with Monsanto and their team of lawyers (but I currently do not have a source).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398876</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Locklin</author>
	<datestamp>1268047440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet you would find a rather large number of people who think that, for example, making a mix tape is entirely ethical and should be legal. Lots of people don't agree that artists should have ultimate control over their work. Also, who is being *forced*? not giving artists the privilege  of ultimate control over the use of their published creations is not *forcing* them to do anything.</p><p>I hate that GPL argument. Sure it's technically correct, but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it's own rules. The GPL would be unnecessary, and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet you would find a rather large number of people who think that , for example , making a mix tape is entirely ethical and should be legal .
Lots of people do n't agree that artists should have ultimate control over their work .
Also , who is being * forced * ?
not giving artists the privilege of ultimate control over the use of their published creations is not * forcing * them to do anything.I hate that GPL argument .
Sure it 's technically correct , but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it 's own rules .
The GPL would be unnecessary , and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet you would find a rather large number of people who think that, for example, making a mix tape is entirely ethical and should be legal.
Lots of people don't agree that artists should have ultimate control over their work.
Also, who is being *forced*?
not giving artists the privilege  of ultimate control over the use of their published creations is not *forcing* them to do anything.I hate that GPL argument.
Sure it's technically correct, but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it's own rules.
The GPL would be unnecessary, and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31402956</id>
	<title>Re:Authors would NOT be forced to lose their right</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1268075520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Author should receive all attribution and credit, and certainly has the right to that. He also should have the right to forbid this attribution if parts of this information are used inappropriately (e.g. pasting a face into a pornographic image, or farting a sonnet); he should, however, be able to forbid the public of composing and publicizing the inappropriacies. </i></p><p>Why? Would authors refuse to create and publish their works otherwise? If so, why has such a prediction never come to pass in the US?</p><p>I wouldn't go so far as to endorse actual fraud (e.g. if you want to buy a book advertised as being written by Alice, but it was actually written by Bob), which is harm caused to the audience more than the author, but otherwise I simply don't see any public benefit from giving authors these rights. If an author disapproves of how his work is used, the better solution is for him to add to the discussion and tell us of his opinion, and why he holds it, and why we should be cross with the other person, rather than to silence someone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Author should receive all attribution and credit , and certainly has the right to that .
He also should have the right to forbid this attribution if parts of this information are used inappropriately ( e.g .
pasting a face into a pornographic image , or farting a sonnet ) ; he should , however , be able to forbid the public of composing and publicizing the inappropriacies .
Why ? Would authors refuse to create and publish their works otherwise ?
If so , why has such a prediction never come to pass in the US ? I would n't go so far as to endorse actual fraud ( e.g .
if you want to buy a book advertised as being written by Alice , but it was actually written by Bob ) , which is harm caused to the audience more than the author , but otherwise I simply do n't see any public benefit from giving authors these rights .
If an author disapproves of how his work is used , the better solution is for him to add to the discussion and tell us of his opinion , and why he holds it , and why we should be cross with the other person , rather than to silence someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Author should receive all attribution and credit, and certainly has the right to that.
He also should have the right to forbid this attribution if parts of this information are used inappropriately (e.g.
pasting a face into a pornographic image, or farting a sonnet); he should, however, be able to forbid the public of composing and publicizing the inappropriacies.
Why? Would authors refuse to create and publish their works otherwise?
If so, why has such a prediction never come to pass in the US?I wouldn't go so far as to endorse actual fraud (e.g.
if you want to buy a book advertised as being written by Alice, but it was actually written by Bob), which is harm caused to the audience more than the author, but otherwise I simply don't see any public benefit from giving authors these rights.
If an author disapproves of how his work is used, the better solution is for him to add to the discussion and tell us of his opinion, and why he holds it, and why we should be cross with the other person, rather than to silence someone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400446</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Karem Lore</author>
	<datestamp>1268062740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Party response:</p><p>1. By enabling free and uncostly access to software without the huge costs, thereby saving millions of &pound; that can be pumped back into getting more drugs.<br>2. Free software would save costs for software so our troops can be paid better.<br>3. By making software copyright free, inventors will have a ball and chain lifted from fear of the courts, thereby stimulating the economy with cutting edge new inventions.<br>4. By making software free, the border guards will save millions in yearly software costs that they can re-introduce into more guards, boats etc.  Same with DSS, they would be able to afford to change the system.<br>5. Giving youngsters access to free music, free software and the ability to invent without risk of being prosecuted would be a great first step into giving kids from falling foul of laws governing the restriction of such material.  Imaging what they could do with it...DJing, Discos, net tournaments, backroom electronics...Oh year, and the savings in costs to the police could be re-introduced to the system to allow the police force to increase their beat numbers.</p><p>(ditto)</p><p>4432. Dunno.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Party response : 1 .
By enabling free and uncostly access to software without the huge costs , thereby saving millions of   that can be pumped back into getting more drugs.2 .
Free software would save costs for software so our troops can be paid better.3 .
By making software copyright free , inventors will have a ball and chain lifted from fear of the courts , thereby stimulating the economy with cutting edge new inventions.4 .
By making software free , the border guards will save millions in yearly software costs that they can re-introduce into more guards , boats etc .
Same with DSS , they would be able to afford to change the system.5 .
Giving youngsters access to free music , free software and the ability to invent without risk of being prosecuted would be a great first step into giving kids from falling foul of laws governing the restriction of such material .
Imaging what they could do with it...DJing , Discos , net tournaments , backroom electronics...Oh year , and the savings in costs to the police could be re-introduced to the system to allow the police force to increase their beat numbers. ( ditto ) 4432 .
Dunno .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Party response:1.
By enabling free and uncostly access to software without the huge costs, thereby saving millions of £ that can be pumped back into getting more drugs.2.
Free software would save costs for software so our troops can be paid better.3.
By making software copyright free, inventors will have a ball and chain lifted from fear of the courts, thereby stimulating the economy with cutting edge new inventions.4.
By making software free, the border guards will save millions in yearly software costs that they can re-introduce into more guards, boats etc.
Same with DSS, they would be able to afford to change the system.5.
Giving youngsters access to free music, free software and the ability to invent without risk of being prosecuted would be a great first step into giving kids from falling foul of laws governing the restriction of such material.
Imaging what they could do with it...DJing, Discos, net tournaments, backroom electronics...Oh year, and the savings in costs to the police could be re-introduced to the system to allow the police force to increase their beat numbers.(ditto)4432.
Dunno.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399466</id>
	<title>Re:Bring in a 3 strikes law</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1268055360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times they're jailed and banned from ever entering politics again so that the likes of Mandelson would never have got to a position where he could single-handedly manipulate the Digital Economy Bill in the first place?</p></div><p>You joke, but our draft manifesto addresses transparency in government: <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts:Manifesto\_Proposal#We\_want\_increased\_government\_transparency\_and\_accountability" title="pirateparty.org.uk">http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts:Manifesto\_Proposal#We\_want\_increased\_government\_transparency\_and\_accountability</a> [pirateparty.org.uk] it's being voted on as I speak.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they 've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times they 're jailed and banned from ever entering politics again so that the likes of Mandelson would never have got to a position where he could single-handedly manipulate the Digital Economy Bill in the first place ? You joke , but our draft manifesto addresses transparency in government : http : //www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts : Manifesto \ _Proposal # We \ _want \ _increased \ _government \ _transparency \ _and \ _accountability [ pirateparty.org.uk ] it 's being voted on as I speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times they're jailed and banned from ever entering politics again so that the likes of Mandelson would never have got to a position where he could single-handedly manipulate the Digital Economy Bill in the first place?You joke, but our draft manifesto addresses transparency in government: http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts:Manifesto\_Proposal#We\_want\_increased\_government\_transparency\_and\_accountability [pirateparty.org.uk] it's being voted on as I speak.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399398</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>RichardJenkins</author>
	<datestamp>1268054580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The GPL would be unnecessary, and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.</p></div><p> <b>Completely</b> disagree with that. The purpose of the GPL is to allow me to release my project out to the world for people to play with/change/learn from however they see fit while <i>preventing</i> people from changing it then releasing an improved version without the same freedoms I originally gave.</p><p>It was originally created by RMS after he released a version of emacs to a company who modified it, then released their own version but refused to give out the source code, and absolutely requires copyright laws in place to be able to do that.</p><p>If people could distribute derivatives non-commercially without the source code, I suspect this would still be an issue for many FOSS advocates.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The GPL would be unnecessary , and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades .
Completely disagree with that .
The purpose of the GPL is to allow me to release my project out to the world for people to play with/change/learn from however they see fit while preventing people from changing it then releasing an improved version without the same freedoms I originally gave.It was originally created by RMS after he released a version of emacs to a company who modified it , then released their own version but refused to give out the source code , and absolutely requires copyright laws in place to be able to do that.If people could distribute derivatives non-commercially without the source code , I suspect this would still be an issue for many FOSS advocates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPL would be unnecessary, and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.
Completely disagree with that.
The purpose of the GPL is to allow me to release my project out to the world for people to play with/change/learn from however they see fit while preventing people from changing it then releasing an improved version without the same freedoms I originally gave.It was originally created by RMS after he released a version of emacs to a company who modified it, then released their own version but refused to give out the source code, and absolutely requires copyright laws in place to be able to do that.If people could distribute derivatives non-commercially without the source code, I suspect this would still be an issue for many FOSS advocates.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399140</id>
	<title>Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268051040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was recently a debate on the blog of the leader of the UK Libertarian Party (Chris Mounsey - <a href="http://devilskitchen.me.uk/" title="devilskitchen.me.uk" rel="nofollow">http://devilskitchen.me.uk/</a> [devilskitchen.me.uk]) which was engaged in by several important members of your party. I followed this with interest but there were a few areas I felt were not well answered well which I am requesting you do so now.</p><p>1. Irrespective of if your candidates are representing at a local or national level they will be involved in policy decisions far outside intellectual property which, given the lack of any party policy beyond IP reform, is of some concern to me. Will your candidates participate in government policy decisions going beyond IP reform or will they be entirely focused on the IP reforms and recuse themselves from any other form of policy participation? If they will participate what platform will they work towards? If they will not participate what measures will you be putting in place to ensure they don't participate in any other policy decisions?</p><p>2. Assuming they don't participate outside of IP policy then how does your party differ from a lobby group other then trying to get someone in to office yourselves? Do you appreciate the danger of single issue parties entering either the local or national legislature in terms of dilution of representative policy decisions, EG a smaller number of legislators voting on policy decisions due to members recusing themselves as the issue is "not part of their parties platform"? If so what approach do you plan to undertake to address this issue?</p><p>3. The single issue your party is based upon is extremely "fluffy" in your parties manifesto. While I have read your forum and appreciate this is being worked on it seems to still lack any significant content in terms of planned measures and rather focuses on statements to the effect of "We will make IP more fair". Based on this fact how could people justify voting for your party when all we basically have is a statement of intent rather than implementable policy?</p><p>4. The majority of what appears to be your parties platform is already represented by the LPUK and has for a number of years. Why has another party been started further diluting the liberty focused parties in the UK rather than simply acting as an IP reform caucus within the LPUK?</p><p>On an O/T issue I am extremely encouraged that parties like the LP &amp; PP are springing up in the UK, we might actually have a chance of getting some form of political reform going now rather then relying on Blair clones to further restrict our liberty. Even if I decide not to support the PP, assuming candidate availability in my county, I do hope you guys make some magic happen even if to only make people aware parties do exist outside the big three.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was recently a debate on the blog of the leader of the UK Libertarian Party ( Chris Mounsey - http : //devilskitchen.me.uk/ [ devilskitchen.me.uk ] ) which was engaged in by several important members of your party .
I followed this with interest but there were a few areas I felt were not well answered well which I am requesting you do so now.1 .
Irrespective of if your candidates are representing at a local or national level they will be involved in policy decisions far outside intellectual property which , given the lack of any party policy beyond IP reform , is of some concern to me .
Will your candidates participate in government policy decisions going beyond IP reform or will they be entirely focused on the IP reforms and recuse themselves from any other form of policy participation ?
If they will participate what platform will they work towards ?
If they will not participate what measures will you be putting in place to ensure they do n't participate in any other policy decisions ? 2 .
Assuming they do n't participate outside of IP policy then how does your party differ from a lobby group other then trying to get someone in to office yourselves ?
Do you appreciate the danger of single issue parties entering either the local or national legislature in terms of dilution of representative policy decisions , EG a smaller number of legislators voting on policy decisions due to members recusing themselves as the issue is " not part of their parties platform " ?
If so what approach do you plan to undertake to address this issue ? 3 .
The single issue your party is based upon is extremely " fluffy " in your parties manifesto .
While I have read your forum and appreciate this is being worked on it seems to still lack any significant content in terms of planned measures and rather focuses on statements to the effect of " We will make IP more fair " .
Based on this fact how could people justify voting for your party when all we basically have is a statement of intent rather than implementable policy ? 4 .
The majority of what appears to be your parties platform is already represented by the LPUK and has for a number of years .
Why has another party been started further diluting the liberty focused parties in the UK rather than simply acting as an IP reform caucus within the LPUK ? On an O/T issue I am extremely encouraged that parties like the LP &amp; PP are springing up in the UK , we might actually have a chance of getting some form of political reform going now rather then relying on Blair clones to further restrict our liberty .
Even if I decide not to support the PP , assuming candidate availability in my county , I do hope you guys make some magic happen even if to only make people aware parties do exist outside the big three .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was recently a debate on the blog of the leader of the UK Libertarian Party (Chris Mounsey - http://devilskitchen.me.uk/ [devilskitchen.me.uk]) which was engaged in by several important members of your party.
I followed this with interest but there were a few areas I felt were not well answered well which I am requesting you do so now.1.
Irrespective of if your candidates are representing at a local or national level they will be involved in policy decisions far outside intellectual property which, given the lack of any party policy beyond IP reform, is of some concern to me.
Will your candidates participate in government policy decisions going beyond IP reform or will they be entirely focused on the IP reforms and recuse themselves from any other form of policy participation?
If they will participate what platform will they work towards?
If they will not participate what measures will you be putting in place to ensure they don't participate in any other policy decisions?2.
Assuming they don't participate outside of IP policy then how does your party differ from a lobby group other then trying to get someone in to office yourselves?
Do you appreciate the danger of single issue parties entering either the local or national legislature in terms of dilution of representative policy decisions, EG a smaller number of legislators voting on policy decisions due to members recusing themselves as the issue is "not part of their parties platform"?
If so what approach do you plan to undertake to address this issue?3.
The single issue your party is based upon is extremely "fluffy" in your parties manifesto.
While I have read your forum and appreciate this is being worked on it seems to still lack any significant content in terms of planned measures and rather focuses on statements to the effect of "We will make IP more fair".
Based on this fact how could people justify voting for your party when all we basically have is a statement of intent rather than implementable policy?4.
The majority of what appears to be your parties platform is already represented by the LPUK and has for a number of years.
Why has another party been started further diluting the liberty focused parties in the UK rather than simply acting as an IP reform caucus within the LPUK?On an O/T issue I am extremely encouraged that parties like the LP &amp; PP are springing up in the UK, we might actually have a chance of getting some form of political reform going now rather then relying on Blair clones to further restrict our liberty.
Even if I decide not to support the PP, assuming candidate availability in my county, I do hope you guys make some magic happen even if to only make people aware parties do exist outside the big three.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399996</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1268059680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>5. Do you have any plans to control anti social behaviour?</p></div><p>Only in the UK...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 .
Do you have any plans to control anti social behaviour ? Only in the UK.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5.
Do you have any plans to control anti social behaviour?Only in the UK...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400580</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh how smart of you! To spot that a new political party based on a single issue doesn't address other issues.  You should host a political programme on ITV.</p><p>They aren't angling to run the country just yet. They are attempting to get a small influence in the political process so the issues they deem important get addressed instead of steamrolled over by lobbying groups. Like the Green party being focused on the environment before getting large/popular enough to warrant having other policies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh how smart of you !
To spot that a new political party based on a single issue does n't address other issues .
You should host a political programme on ITV.They are n't angling to run the country just yet .
They are attempting to get a small influence in the political process so the issues they deem important get addressed instead of steamrolled over by lobbying groups .
Like the Green party being focused on the environment before getting large/popular enough to warrant having other policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh how smart of you!
To spot that a new political party based on a single issue doesn't address other issues.
You should host a political programme on ITV.They aren't angling to run the country just yet.
They are attempting to get a small influence in the political process so the issues they deem important get addressed instead of steamrolled over by lobbying groups.
Like the Green party being focused on the environment before getting large/popular enough to warrant having other policies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399276</id>
	<title>The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1268052720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You've <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/6028166/Interview-Andrew-Robinson-Pirate-Party-UKs-leader.html" title="telegraph.co.uk">quickly gone from forum member</a> [telegraph.co.uk] to party leader in about half a year.  It appears your background is graphic arts and music, not politics.  How do you plan to convince your voters that you are competent and qualified?  On top of that, your site only lists <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/" title="pirateparty.org.uk">three core policies</a> [pirateparty.org.uk].  Voting (to me) shows more than support.  It shows I am confident in that person or group as leader of my country.  As if by voting for you, I genuinely hope you are to be the next Prime Ministers, replacing Gordon Brown.  Right now, privacy and copyright are important issues but possibly more important are things like foreign policy that might govern how you feel about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars or about the social programs in the UK.  Could you extrapolate on your core issues to give us an idea of how you stand on the other major issues that will be debated among the more popular parties?  I agree with you on your stated issues but being a one issue voter can result in disaster for the whole country, do you mind giving yourself more depth than just privacy and copyright?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've quickly gone from forum member [ telegraph.co.uk ] to party leader in about half a year .
It appears your background is graphic arts and music , not politics .
How do you plan to convince your voters that you are competent and qualified ?
On top of that , your site only lists three core policies [ pirateparty.org.uk ] .
Voting ( to me ) shows more than support .
It shows I am confident in that person or group as leader of my country .
As if by voting for you , I genuinely hope you are to be the next Prime Ministers , replacing Gordon Brown .
Right now , privacy and copyright are important issues but possibly more important are things like foreign policy that might govern how you feel about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars or about the social programs in the UK .
Could you extrapolate on your core issues to give us an idea of how you stand on the other major issues that will be debated among the more popular parties ?
I agree with you on your stated issues but being a one issue voter can result in disaster for the whole country , do you mind giving yourself more depth than just privacy and copyright ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've quickly gone from forum member [telegraph.co.uk] to party leader in about half a year.
It appears your background is graphic arts and music, not politics.
How do you plan to convince your voters that you are competent and qualified?
On top of that, your site only lists three core policies [pirateparty.org.uk].
Voting (to me) shows more than support.
It shows I am confident in that person or group as leader of my country.
As if by voting for you, I genuinely hope you are to be the next Prime Ministers, replacing Gordon Brown.
Right now, privacy and copyright are important issues but possibly more important are things like foreign policy that might govern how you feel about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars or about the social programs in the UK.
Could you extrapolate on your core issues to give us an idea of how you stand on the other major issues that will be debated among the more popular parties?
I agree with you on your stated issues but being a one issue voter can result in disaster for the whole country, do you mind giving yourself more depth than just privacy and copyright?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403330</id>
	<title>Re:One-issue party ?</title>
	<author>M2Ys4U</author>
	<datestamp>1268077080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We don't whip our candidates on issues other than our core policies. Everything else is down to them, which is hopefully what their constituents want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't whip our candidates on issues other than our core policies .
Everything else is down to them , which is hopefully what their constituents want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't whip our candidates on issues other than our core policies.
Everything else is down to them, which is hopefully what their constituents want.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398912</id>
	<title>PPAU apathy</title>
	<author>acehole</author>
	<datestamp>1268047860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm wondering if you had any trouble getting members for the party as opposed to what is happening in Australia. The pirate party here is suffering from member apathy, no one is going as far to fill out the paper work in order to help the party get the numbers needed to register as a political party. Has the UK pirate party had any similar issues?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering if you had any trouble getting members for the party as opposed to what is happening in Australia .
The pirate party here is suffering from member apathy , no one is going as far to fill out the paper work in order to help the party get the numbers needed to register as a political party .
Has the UK pirate party had any similar issues ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering if you had any trouble getting members for the party as opposed to what is happening in Australia.
The pirate party here is suffering from member apathy, no one is going as far to fill out the paper work in order to help the party get the numbers needed to register as a political party.
Has the UK pirate party had any similar issues?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400074</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268060340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are implying that an unemployed bloke next door gets out of ruts based on patents and copyrights now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are implying that an unemployed bloke next door gets out of ruts based on patents and copyrights now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are implying that an unemployed bloke next door gets out of ruts based on patents and copyrights now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400050</id>
	<title>Candidates</title>
	<author>He who knows</author>
	<datestamp>1268060160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you going to field a candidate in each constituency.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you going to field a candidate in each constituency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you going to field a candidate in each constituency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31406442</id>
	<title>Re:PPAU apathy</title>
	<author>bbqsrc</author>
	<datestamp>1268047020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>PPUK only needed 150 while PPAU needs 500. Different political structure, different society.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PPUK only needed 150 while PPAU needs 500 .
Different political structure , different society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PPUK only needed 150 while PPAU needs 500.
Different political structure, different society.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400464</id>
	<title>Re:Let's ask the important stuff!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268062860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://popealien.com/comic/102" title="popealien.com" rel="nofollow">ninja</a> [popealien.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ninja [ popealien.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ninja [popealien.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401380</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1268067960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some ideas<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:<br>
* Subscription-based a la WoW<br>
* Ransom model ("Here is the first level, I'll release the second one when the $10,000 mark will be reached)<br>
* Donation model (Dwarf Fortress works like that, they make $1000-$2000 a month IIRC)<br>
* For all the rest, there is (or will be) <a href="flattr.com" title="slashdot.org">Flattr</a> [slashdot.org]. Brought to you by The Pirate Bay creators, because the entertainment industries specialists were too dumb to figure it by themselves.<br> <br>
There is one thing to repeat over and over and over : retribution of the artist cannot come anymore from the control of the distribution chain of copies. This time is OVER. Any music/movie/video game enthusiast is aware that such a retribution is important. And that is why we are hostile to the **AA crowd : they can't get a good one, despite it being their damn (overpaid) job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some ideas : * Subscription-based a la WoW * Ransom model ( " Here is the first level , I 'll release the second one when the $ 10,000 mark will be reached ) * Donation model ( Dwarf Fortress works like that , they make $ 1000- $ 2000 a month IIRC ) * For all the rest , there is ( or will be ) Flattr [ slashdot.org ] .
Brought to you by The Pirate Bay creators , because the entertainment industries specialists were too dumb to figure it by themselves .
There is one thing to repeat over and over and over : retribution of the artist can not come anymore from the control of the distribution chain of copies .
This time is OVER .
Any music/movie/video game enthusiast is aware that such a retribution is important .
And that is why we are hostile to the * * AA crowd : they ca n't get a good one , despite it being their damn ( overpaid ) job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some ideas :
* Subscription-based a la WoW
* Ransom model ("Here is the first level, I'll release the second one when the $10,000 mark will be reached)
* Donation model (Dwarf Fortress works like that, they make $1000-$2000 a month IIRC)
* For all the rest, there is (or will be) Flattr [slashdot.org].
Brought to you by The Pirate Bay creators, because the entertainment industries specialists were too dumb to figure it by themselves.
There is one thing to repeat over and over and over : retribution of the artist cannot come anymore from the control of the distribution chain of copies.
This time is OVER.
Any music/movie/video game enthusiast is aware that such a retribution is important.
And that is why we are hostile to the **AA crowd : they can't get a good one, despite it being their damn (overpaid) job.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399704</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268057940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now now, what the hell do you think you are doing. This is Slashdot, GPL and Linux are all we know and are therefore the only things that are important to a society. Please leave my basement before mom gets home and go out back in the real world, thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now now , what the hell do you think you are doing .
This is Slashdot , GPL and Linux are all we know and are therefore the only things that are important to a society .
Please leave my basement before mom gets home and go out back in the real world , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now now, what the hell do you think you are doing.
This is Slashdot, GPL and Linux are all we know and are therefore the only things that are important to a society.
Please leave my basement before mom gets home and go out back in the real world, thank you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399068</id>
	<title>Authors would NOT be forced to lose their rights!</title>
	<author>sigmundur</author>
	<datestamp>1268049900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Forcing authors to lose rights" - NO! A common misconception. *Some* rights maybe, but only to guarantee the rights of the public!
<br> <br>
This is the central question in all authorship legislature and morale: how to balance the rights of the public and the rights of an author?
<br> <br>
Author should receive all attribution and credit, and certainly has the right to that. He also should have the right to forbid this attribution if parts of this information are used inappropriately (e.g. pasting a face into a pornographic image, or farting a sonnet); he should, however, be able to forbid the public of composing and publicizing the inappropriacies.
<br> <br>
Public should receive the right to enjoy the work, spread it and re-use it, in the name of productivity in an information society. Out of pragmatic point of view, information is only useful when it's used, i.e., copied, spread and applied (or enjoyed).
<br> <br>
Freedom of information (or freedom of speech, if you will) must go before the freedom of men to do what they please. The first is feasible, the latter is not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Forcing authors to lose rights " - NO !
A common misconception .
* Some * rights maybe , but only to guarantee the rights of the public !
This is the central question in all authorship legislature and morale : how to balance the rights of the public and the rights of an author ?
Author should receive all attribution and credit , and certainly has the right to that .
He also should have the right to forbid this attribution if parts of this information are used inappropriately ( e.g .
pasting a face into a pornographic image , or farting a sonnet ) ; he should , however , be able to forbid the public of composing and publicizing the inappropriacies .
Public should receive the right to enjoy the work , spread it and re-use it , in the name of productivity in an information society .
Out of pragmatic point of view , information is only useful when it 's used , i.e. , copied , spread and applied ( or enjoyed ) .
Freedom of information ( or freedom of speech , if you will ) must go before the freedom of men to do what they please .
The first is feasible , the latter is not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Forcing authors to lose rights" - NO!
A common misconception.
*Some* rights maybe, but only to guarantee the rights of the public!
This is the central question in all authorship legislature and morale: how to balance the rights of the public and the rights of an author?
Author should receive all attribution and credit, and certainly has the right to that.
He also should have the right to forbid this attribution if parts of this information are used inappropriately (e.g.
pasting a face into a pornographic image, or farting a sonnet); he should, however, be able to forbid the public of composing and publicizing the inappropriacies.
Public should receive the right to enjoy the work, spread it and re-use it, in the name of productivity in an information society.
Out of pragmatic point of view, information is only useful when it's used, i.e., copied, spread and applied (or enjoyed).
Freedom of information (or freedom of speech, if you will) must go before the freedom of men to do what they please.
The first is feasible, the latter is not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403642</id>
	<title>Re:Authors would NOT be forced to lose their right</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1268078460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is this. The physical media versions of works of "information/art" (e.g. cds, dvds, books) are quickly<br>going the way of the dodo. All such info/art creative products will soon live mostly in the cloud as pure information.</p><p>So in this context, how does the artist/creator earn their daily bread?</p><p>Or is that a "not my problem" kind of issue, as long as you have your rights?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is this .
The physical media versions of works of " information/art " ( e.g .
cds , dvds , books ) are quicklygoing the way of the dodo .
All such info/art creative products will soon live mostly in the cloud as pure information.So in this context , how does the artist/creator earn their daily bread ? Or is that a " not my problem " kind of issue , as long as you have your rights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is this.
The physical media versions of works of "information/art" (e.g.
cds, dvds, books) are quicklygoing the way of the dodo.
All such info/art creative products will soon live mostly in the cloud as pure information.So in this context, how does the artist/creator earn their daily bread?Or is that a "not my problem" kind of issue, as long as you have your rights?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31404922</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268040960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Basically, I disagree with everything you said. No, you shouldn't be able to retain permanent control over an idea.</p></div><p>There's a middle ground, probably a healthy middle ground between permanent control and no control.  You know, like the time limited exclusive rights granted to patents and (historically) to artistic endeavors, such that the creator can share them with the world without negating its value.  Right now, the pendulum is a little far towards permanent control.  The happy medium lets artists or companies, or whomever recoup costs proportional to the effort of creation without unduly hampering society.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>No, saving the GPL is not worth perpetuating our current broken copyright.</p></div><p>If there's a clear path towards reward, then people can realistically work on creative projects like software.  Man's gotta eat, you know.  That doesn't mean artists and software developers are entitled to a profit, it means that if they can see a path to reward, they might spend more of their time on the project.  Maybe even quit their job at Denny's to focus on that software and make it <em>really</em> good. GPL allows the reward to be service to the community rather than cash.  Most importantly: there will always be bad actors.  People who will poison the community by taking just as much as they can without giving anything back.  Laws are written for those people.  Supposed to be written for those people, even if it seems they're currently being written <em>by</em> those people.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And no, a world with drastically reduced creator control over their "intellectual property" would be on the whole far less controlling, instead of more.</p></div><p>Without copyright, there would be nothing to stop Major Record Label from recording every appearance of an artist and selling those recordings without any compensation or recognition of the artist. Those groups control large distribution and advertising networks.  If Major Label offered you a one-stop shop with a fresh, hot, new song of your favorite genre every day for $0.50 or $1, what's your motivation to go digging through the hundreds of self-recorded artists' facebook pages looking for something good?  Copyright is being abused by the labels, but it's the one piece of leverage the artists have against even worse abuses.  See the point above about bad actors.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Basically , I disagree with everything you said .
No , you should n't be able to retain permanent control over an idea.There 's a middle ground , probably a healthy middle ground between permanent control and no control .
You know , like the time limited exclusive rights granted to patents and ( historically ) to artistic endeavors , such that the creator can share them with the world without negating its value .
Right now , the pendulum is a little far towards permanent control .
The happy medium lets artists or companies , or whomever recoup costs proportional to the effort of creation without unduly hampering society.No , saving the GPL is not worth perpetuating our current broken copyright.If there 's a clear path towards reward , then people can realistically work on creative projects like software .
Man 's got ta eat , you know .
That does n't mean artists and software developers are entitled to a profit , it means that if they can see a path to reward , they might spend more of their time on the project .
Maybe even quit their job at Denny 's to focus on that software and make it really good .
GPL allows the reward to be service to the community rather than cash .
Most importantly : there will always be bad actors .
People who will poison the community by taking just as much as they can without giving anything back .
Laws are written for those people .
Supposed to be written for those people , even if it seems they 're currently being written by those people.And no , a world with drastically reduced creator control over their " intellectual property " would be on the whole far less controlling , instead of more.Without copyright , there would be nothing to stop Major Record Label from recording every appearance of an artist and selling those recordings without any compensation or recognition of the artist .
Those groups control large distribution and advertising networks .
If Major Label offered you a one-stop shop with a fresh , hot , new song of your favorite genre every day for $ 0.50 or $ 1 , what 's your motivation to go digging through the hundreds of self-recorded artists ' facebook pages looking for something good ?
Copyright is being abused by the labels , but it 's the one piece of leverage the artists have against even worse abuses .
See the point above about bad actors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, I disagree with everything you said.
No, you shouldn't be able to retain permanent control over an idea.There's a middle ground, probably a healthy middle ground between permanent control and no control.
You know, like the time limited exclusive rights granted to patents and (historically) to artistic endeavors, such that the creator can share them with the world without negating its value.
Right now, the pendulum is a little far towards permanent control.
The happy medium lets artists or companies, or whomever recoup costs proportional to the effort of creation without unduly hampering society.No, saving the GPL is not worth perpetuating our current broken copyright.If there's a clear path towards reward, then people can realistically work on creative projects like software.
Man's gotta eat, you know.
That doesn't mean artists and software developers are entitled to a profit, it means that if they can see a path to reward, they might spend more of their time on the project.
Maybe even quit their job at Denny's to focus on that software and make it really good.
GPL allows the reward to be service to the community rather than cash.
Most importantly: there will always be bad actors.
People who will poison the community by taking just as much as they can without giving anything back.
Laws are written for those people.
Supposed to be written for those people, even if it seems they're currently being written by those people.And no, a world with drastically reduced creator control over their "intellectual property" would be on the whole far less controlling, instead of more.Without copyright, there would be nothing to stop Major Record Label from recording every appearance of an artist and selling those recordings without any compensation or recognition of the artist.
Those groups control large distribution and advertising networks.
If Major Label offered you a one-stop shop with a fresh, hot, new song of your favorite genre every day for $0.50 or $1, what's your motivation to go digging through the hundreds of self-recorded artists' facebook pages looking for something good?
Copyright is being abused by the labels, but it's the one piece of leverage the artists have against even worse abuses.
See the point above about bad actors.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399718</id>
	<title>Re:Diluting possible change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Labour : Want copyright strictly enforced<br>Conservative : Want copyright strictly enforced<br>LibDems : Want copyright strictly enforced</p><p>Labour : Caught fiddling expenses<br>Conservative : Caught fiddling expenses<br>LibDems : Caught fiddling expenses</p><p>Which of the above do I vote for to inspire faith in parliament, and not vote in people who want strong copyright laws for their friends in the media industry?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Labour : Want copyright strictly enforcedConservative : Want copyright strictly enforcedLibDems : Want copyright strictly enforcedLabour : Caught fiddling expensesConservative : Caught fiddling expensesLibDems : Caught fiddling expensesWhich of the above do I vote for to inspire faith in parliament , and not vote in people who want strong copyright laws for their friends in the media industry ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Labour : Want copyright strictly enforcedConservative : Want copyright strictly enforcedLibDems : Want copyright strictly enforcedLabour : Caught fiddling expensesConservative : Caught fiddling expensesLibDems : Caught fiddling expensesWhich of the above do I vote for to inspire faith in parliament, and not vote in people who want strong copyright laws for their friends in the media industry?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399246</id>
	<title>One-issue party ?</title>
	<author>vikingpower</author>
	<datestamp>1268052360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sir,</p><p>Up to what degree should I consider, or not, the Pirate Party a one-issue party ? When I cast my vote for anyone or any party, I also take into consideration how they think about such varying and various issues as there are: economics, defence, justice, external relations. Do not take me wrong: I WOULD vote for the Pirate Party if and when they could convince me of having coherent stances on these topics. Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sir,Up to what degree should I consider , or not , the Pirate Party a one-issue party ?
When I cast my vote for anyone or any party , I also take into consideration how they think about such varying and various issues as there are : economics , defence , justice , external relations .
Do not take me wrong : I WOULD vote for the Pirate Party if and when they could convince me of having coherent stances on these topics .
Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sir,Up to what degree should I consider, or not, the Pirate Party a one-issue party ?
When I cast my vote for anyone or any party, I also take into consideration how they think about such varying and various issues as there are: economics, defence, justice, external relations.
Do not take me wrong: I WOULD vote for the Pirate Party if and when they could convince me of having coherent stances on these topics.
Thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400710</id>
	<title>Why are you participating in a flawed system?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268064600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are you participating in a flawed system?<br>First past the post, one vote every five years; do you really think you have a hope in hell of getting anywhere with such odds stacked against you? Wouldn't your efforts be better spent in other ways, taking more direct action rather than attempting to use our sham of a "democratic process" to achieve anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are you participating in a flawed system ? First past the post , one vote every five years ; do you really think you have a hope in hell of getting anywhere with such odds stacked against you ?
Would n't your efforts be better spent in other ways , taking more direct action rather than attempting to use our sham of a " democratic process " to achieve anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are you participating in a flawed system?First past the post, one vote every five years; do you really think you have a hope in hell of getting anywhere with such odds stacked against you?
Wouldn't your efforts be better spent in other ways, taking more direct action rather than attempting to use our sham of a "democratic process" to achieve anything?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400630</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>MaXimillion</author>
	<datestamp>1268064060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The same way they do right now? The situation you describe is already reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The same way they do right now ?
The situation you describe is already reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same way they do right now?
The situation you describe is already reality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399858</id>
	<title>Re:The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1268058960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Voting (to me) shows more than support.  It shows I am confident in that person or group as leader of my country.</p></div><p>And this is why we're in the mess we're in. Our politicians are meant to be our servants, not our masters; I don't vote for a leader, I vote for a representative that I can hold to account.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Voting ( to me ) shows more than support .
It shows I am confident in that person or group as leader of my country.And this is why we 're in the mess we 're in .
Our politicians are meant to be our servants , not our masters ; I do n't vote for a leader , I vote for a representative that I can hold to account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Voting (to me) shows more than support.
It shows I am confident in that person or group as leader of my country.And this is why we're in the mess we're in.
Our politicians are meant to be our servants, not our masters; I don't vote for a leader, I vote for a representative that I can hold to account.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399630</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1268057280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're already in that world - people already can get anything they want freely from file sharing sites, but they still buy and games, etc are still made. The reasons for this are numerous - maybe a small percentage are people who are scared of being sued, but many more are likely people who want to show their support for a product, or who like the convenience. The middle approach is to prosecute the companies who profit from file sharing, not the end users who are likely your fan base.</p><p>Go after the big file sharing sites, play whack a mole, make it painful for them if you want, they're the ones making money from other people's hard work, but stop suing the little guy and everyone wins. Those who are time rich but cash poor still get to enjoy your product, and you get to enjoy the massive goodwill they'll spread to their friends and relatives who are working and will give you money. Instead we have a horrible mess of artists suing their fans, angering the fans and making the artists look like scum, while everyone loses out because of crappy DRM (which probably drives as many people <i>too</i> file sharing sites as the threat of legal action drives away).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're already in that world - people already can get anything they want freely from file sharing sites , but they still buy and games , etc are still made .
The reasons for this are numerous - maybe a small percentage are people who are scared of being sued , but many more are likely people who want to show their support for a product , or who like the convenience .
The middle approach is to prosecute the companies who profit from file sharing , not the end users who are likely your fan base.Go after the big file sharing sites , play whack a mole , make it painful for them if you want , they 're the ones making money from other people 's hard work , but stop suing the little guy and everyone wins .
Those who are time rich but cash poor still get to enjoy your product , and you get to enjoy the massive goodwill they 'll spread to their friends and relatives who are working and will give you money .
Instead we have a horrible mess of artists suing their fans , angering the fans and making the artists look like scum , while everyone loses out because of crappy DRM ( which probably drives as many people too file sharing sites as the threat of legal action drives away ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're already in that world - people already can get anything they want freely from file sharing sites, but they still buy and games, etc are still made.
The reasons for this are numerous - maybe a small percentage are people who are scared of being sued, but many more are likely people who want to show their support for a product, or who like the convenience.
The middle approach is to prosecute the companies who profit from file sharing, not the end users who are likely your fan base.Go after the big file sharing sites, play whack a mole, make it painful for them if you want, they're the ones making money from other people's hard work, but stop suing the little guy and everyone wins.
Those who are time rich but cash poor still get to enjoy your product, and you get to enjoy the massive goodwill they'll spread to their friends and relatives who are working and will give you money.
Instead we have a horrible mess of artists suing their fans, angering the fans and making the artists look like scum, while everyone loses out because of crappy DRM (which probably drives as many people too file sharing sites as the threat of legal action drives away).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399676</id>
	<title>Value</title>
	<author>janap</author>
	<datestamp>1268057760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mr Robinson - please define the term "value".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mr Robinson - please define the term " value " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mr Robinson - please define the term "value".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399494</id>
	<title>Economy</title>
	<author>mrthoughtful</author>
	<datestamp>1268055660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the UK population is most concerned about is a sustained, healthy economy (with continued free quality healthcare, education and welfare at the point of delivery).</p><p>How will the Pirate Party's policies demonstrate that a sustainable healthy economy is a necessary outcome of degrading the copyright and patent laws?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the UK population is most concerned about is a sustained , healthy economy ( with continued free quality healthcare , education and welfare at the point of delivery ) .How will the Pirate Party 's policies demonstrate that a sustainable healthy economy is a necessary outcome of degrading the copyright and patent laws ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the UK population is most concerned about is a sustained, healthy economy (with continued free quality healthcare, education and welfare at the point of delivery).How will the Pirate Party's policies demonstrate that a sustainable healthy economy is a necessary outcome of degrading the copyright and patent laws?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398990</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1268048700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think BSD license would be a lot closer in subverting copyrights using it's own rules. GPL clearly states that if you GPL'd code, along with the binaries you need to make your own source code available too. Having the source code available is something the author wanted and is using his right over his work. Without copyrights anyone could take anyones code and never release the modifications or even relicense it under non-compliant license like BSD license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think BSD license would be a lot closer in subverting copyrights using it 's own rules .
GPL clearly states that if you GPL 'd code , along with the binaries you need to make your own source code available too .
Having the source code available is something the author wanted and is using his right over his work .
Without copyrights anyone could take anyones code and never release the modifications or even relicense it under non-compliant license like BSD license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think BSD license would be a lot closer in subverting copyrights using it's own rules.
GPL clearly states that if you GPL'd code, along with the binaries you need to make your own source code available too.
Having the source code available is something the author wanted and is using his right over his work.
Without copyrights anyone could take anyones code and never release the modifications or even relicense it under non-compliant license like BSD license.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398922</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1268047980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's how it (roughly) works over here (Spain):<br>- Audiovisual works can be shared noncommercially, but we pay levies on all kinds of media and copying devices (CD/DVD-Rs, hard drives, media players, cellphones)<br>- Software is protected and P2P sharing of software is not legal</p><p>Now, there's a huge SNAFU going on here with our RIAA-equivalent (the SGAE), who are lying bastards and cheaters, the levy system isn't ideal (many people get charged who don't use P2P, and the devices/consumables that get levies are just stupid - I think it'd be better to charge levies on internet connections instead of consumables and devices), and the way the levies are distributed is completely backwards (SGAE execs have been known to use some privately, transparency is nil, and small artists get squat). Nonetheless, the basic premise isnt all that bad: legalize audio/video/book file sharing, but impose some reasonable sort of cash stream from the people very likely to use P2P to the people who very likely have their works shared.</p><p>You also need to realize that legalizing file sharing does not imply removing all copyright. All it says is that sharing copyrighted files is fine (authors have less control over how their work is distributed noncommercially), but it doesn't imply licenses are invalid: You still can't produce a GPL'd derivative work and not provide source, you still can't violate the attribution/share-alike/non-commercial provisions of Creative Commons, etc. I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that copyright should be abolished - there's a huge difference between that and just making the usual P2P scenarios legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's how it ( roughly ) works over here ( Spain ) : - Audiovisual works can be shared noncommercially , but we pay levies on all kinds of media and copying devices ( CD/DVD-Rs , hard drives , media players , cellphones ) - Software is protected and P2P sharing of software is not legalNow , there 's a huge SNAFU going on here with our RIAA-equivalent ( the SGAE ) , who are lying bastards and cheaters , the levy system is n't ideal ( many people get charged who do n't use P2P , and the devices/consumables that get levies are just stupid - I think it 'd be better to charge levies on internet connections instead of consumables and devices ) , and the way the levies are distributed is completely backwards ( SGAE execs have been known to use some privately , transparency is nil , and small artists get squat ) .
Nonetheless , the basic premise isnt all that bad : legalize audio/video/book file sharing , but impose some reasonable sort of cash stream from the people very likely to use P2P to the people who very likely have their works shared.You also need to realize that legalizing file sharing does not imply removing all copyright .
All it says is that sharing copyrighted files is fine ( authors have less control over how their work is distributed noncommercially ) , but it does n't imply licenses are invalid : You still ca n't produce a GPL 'd derivative work and not provide source , you still ca n't violate the attribution/share-alike/non-commercial provisions of Creative Commons , etc .
I do n't think anyone is seriously arguing that copyright should be abolished - there 's a huge difference between that and just making the usual P2P scenarios legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's how it (roughly) works over here (Spain):- Audiovisual works can be shared noncommercially, but we pay levies on all kinds of media and copying devices (CD/DVD-Rs, hard drives, media players, cellphones)- Software is protected and P2P sharing of software is not legalNow, there's a huge SNAFU going on here with our RIAA-equivalent (the SGAE), who are lying bastards and cheaters, the levy system isn't ideal (many people get charged who don't use P2P, and the devices/consumables that get levies are just stupid - I think it'd be better to charge levies on internet connections instead of consumables and devices), and the way the levies are distributed is completely backwards (SGAE execs have been known to use some privately, transparency is nil, and small artists get squat).
Nonetheless, the basic premise isnt all that bad: legalize audio/video/book file sharing, but impose some reasonable sort of cash stream from the people very likely to use P2P to the people who very likely have their works shared.You also need to realize that legalizing file sharing does not imply removing all copyright.
All it says is that sharing copyrighted files is fine (authors have less control over how their work is distributed noncommercially), but it doesn't imply licenses are invalid: You still can't produce a GPL'd derivative work and not provide source, you still can't violate the attribution/share-alike/non-commercial provisions of Creative Commons, etc.
I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that copyright should be abolished - there's a huge difference between that and just making the usual P2P scenarios legal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400136</id>
	<title>Re:Bring in a 3 strikes law</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1268060760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times</i> <br> <br>That shouldn't leave many.<br> <br> <i>they're jailed</i> <br> <br>What spend more public money of these parasites? Far better to conscript them to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan. Deport the "Nom doms" too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they 've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times That should n't leave many .
they 're jailed What spend more public money of these parasites ?
Far better to conscript them to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan .
Deport the " Nom doms " too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times  That shouldn't leave many.
they're jailed  What spend more public money of these parasites?
Far better to conscript them to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Deport the "Nom doms" too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400850</id>
	<title>Re:Which constituencies will you challenge?</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1268065200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They only have 2 candidates so far, I don't know if they are in marginals or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They only have 2 candidates so far , I do n't know if they are in marginals or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They only have 2 candidates so far, I don't know if they are in marginals or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400332</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1268062020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is already freely available on the net, and everyone knows that. Where I am, the penalty of non-commercial downloading is less than the retail price of the product, and yet people still buy software, films, CDs, and so on.</p><p>Everyone knows that paper books end up on the net pretty quickly, especially university textbooks and so on, yet people still write and sell them. E-books aren't going to be much worse, and at least there's less overhead to produce an e-book only edition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is already freely available on the net , and everyone knows that .
Where I am , the penalty of non-commercial downloading is less than the retail price of the product , and yet people still buy software , films , CDs , and so on.Everyone knows that paper books end up on the net pretty quickly , especially university textbooks and so on , yet people still write and sell them .
E-books are n't going to be much worse , and at least there 's less overhead to produce an e-book only edition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is already freely available on the net, and everyone knows that.
Where I am, the penalty of non-commercial downloading is less than the retail price of the product, and yet people still buy software, films, CDs, and so on.Everyone knows that paper books end up on the net pretty quickly, especially university textbooks and so on, yet people still write and sell them.
E-books aren't going to be much worse, and at least there's less overhead to produce an e-book only edition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399638</id>
	<title>Which constituencies will you challenge?</title>
	<author>Toy G</author>
	<datestamp>1268057400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you consider concentrating efforts in one or two "marginal" constituencies in order to "spoil it" for one of the major parties ?<br>It might end up doing more for the debate than a simple (unwinnable) nationwide challenge, don't you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you consider concentrating efforts in one or two " marginal " constituencies in order to " spoil it " for one of the major parties ? It might end up doing more for the debate than a simple ( unwinnable ) nationwide challenge , do n't you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you consider concentrating efforts in one or two "marginal" constituencies in order to "spoil it" for one of the major parties ?It might end up doing more for the debate than a simple (unwinnable) nationwide challenge, don't you think?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31409102</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1268061780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why do artists get to control their creation after they sell it? Manufacturers don't. Crafts makers don't. If I sell you a car I can't tell you how fast to drive it, where to drive it, or what brand of oil you can use for oil changes.</p></div><p>No, but you certainly can tell me that I can't make a duplicate copy and sell it as the genuine article.  Your analogy sucks.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Just because something is "artistic" or "creative" (a property that is ill defined and could apply to anything) should not give you special rights.</p></div><p>You're absolutely right there, but not for the reason you think.  These rights apply to all patented/copyrighted works, within a certain time frame.  Being "creative" has nothing to do with it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do artists get to control their creation after they sell it ?
Manufacturers do n't .
Crafts makers do n't .
If I sell you a car I ca n't tell you how fast to drive it , where to drive it , or what brand of oil you can use for oil changes.No , but you certainly can tell me that I ca n't make a duplicate copy and sell it as the genuine article .
Your analogy sucks.Just because something is " artistic " or " creative " ( a property that is ill defined and could apply to anything ) should not give you special rights.You 're absolutely right there , but not for the reason you think .
These rights apply to all patented/copyrighted works , within a certain time frame .
Being " creative " has nothing to do with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do artists get to control their creation after they sell it?
Manufacturers don't.
Crafts makers don't.
If I sell you a car I can't tell you how fast to drive it, where to drive it, or what brand of oil you can use for oil changes.No, but you certainly can tell me that I can't make a duplicate copy and sell it as the genuine article.
Your analogy sucks.Just because something is "artistic" or "creative" (a property that is ill defined and could apply to anything) should not give you special rights.You're absolutely right there, but not for the reason you think.
These rights apply to all patented/copyrighted works, within a certain time frame.
Being "creative" has nothing to do with it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401136</id>
	<title>Re:It's not that I disagree with the policies as s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268066580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>police using CCTV footage for blackmail? All genuine problems. What's the kind of thing that worries the Pirate Party?</p></div></blockquote><p>
The Police use of CCTV full stop.<br>
<br>
A lot of people in this entire article are apparently wilfully ignorant about the Pirate Party. They are not a single issue party: they are a three issue party. Those issues are Copyright, Privacy and Freedom of Speech. Slashdot, naturally, is focused on the Copyright side of things (&amp; the name of party). People like me are more worried about the other two issues. Issues which you rightly point out, are important to people like yourself.</p><blockquote><div><p>surveillance and freedom of speech concerns because they directly support that primary goal - with the added benefit of giving you the appearance of some moral high ground.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I can't speak for other members of the PPUK but those issues are certainly important to me, as an individual. I'm not interested in them because they give me any kind of moral high ground, I'm interested in them because they're important subjects which require real debate and preferably real action. If you don't think those subjects are not important then that's fine, but don't degenerate those of us who think they are and are trying to do something about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>police using CCTV footage for blackmail ?
All genuine problems .
What 's the kind of thing that worries the Pirate Party ?
The Police use of CCTV full stop .
A lot of people in this entire article are apparently wilfully ignorant about the Pirate Party .
They are not a single issue party : they are a three issue party .
Those issues are Copyright , Privacy and Freedom of Speech .
Slashdot , naturally , is focused on the Copyright side of things ( &amp; the name of party ) .
People like me are more worried about the other two issues .
Issues which you rightly point out , are important to people like yourself.surveillance and freedom of speech concerns because they directly support that primary goal - with the added benefit of giving you the appearance of some moral high ground .
I ca n't speak for other members of the PPUK but those issues are certainly important to me , as an individual .
I 'm not interested in them because they give me any kind of moral high ground , I 'm interested in them because they 're important subjects which require real debate and preferably real action .
If you do n't think those subjects are not important then that 's fine , but do n't degenerate those of us who think they are and are trying to do something about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>police using CCTV footage for blackmail?
All genuine problems.
What's the kind of thing that worries the Pirate Party?
The Police use of CCTV full stop.
A lot of people in this entire article are apparently wilfully ignorant about the Pirate Party.
They are not a single issue party: they are a three issue party.
Those issues are Copyright, Privacy and Freedom of Speech.
Slashdot, naturally, is focused on the Copyright side of things (&amp; the name of party).
People like me are more worried about the other two issues.
Issues which you rightly point out, are important to people like yourself.surveillance and freedom of speech concerns because they directly support that primary goal - with the added benefit of giving you the appearance of some moral high ground.
I can't speak for other members of the PPUK but those issues are certainly important to me, as an individual.
I'm not interested in them because they give me any kind of moral high ground, I'm interested in them because they're important subjects which require real debate and preferably real action.
If you don't think those subjects are not important then that's fine, but don't degenerate those of us who think they are and are trying to do something about it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399814</id>
	<title>Re:Bring in a 3 strikes law</title>
	<author>advocate\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1268058720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm convinced that Mandelson has some serious "dirt" on key members of the Labour party... nothing else explains how he has been able to stage so many comebacks after scandals. He also must have some pretty serious dirt over key members of the establishment &amp; media as well for there not to have been such a stink over it. "Dirt" that may be photos of Tony Blair in flagrante delicto with other males. Who knows, Cherie might be Tony's "beard" to enable him to appear normal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm convinced that Mandelson has some serious " dirt " on key members of the Labour party... nothing else explains how he has been able to stage so many comebacks after scandals .
He also must have some pretty serious dirt over key members of the establishment &amp; media as well for there not to have been such a stink over it .
" Dirt " that may be photos of Tony Blair in flagrante delicto with other males .
Who knows , Cherie might be Tony 's " beard " to enable him to appear normal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm convinced that Mandelson has some serious "dirt" on key members of the Labour party... nothing else explains how he has been able to stage so many comebacks after scandals.
He also must have some pretty serious dirt over key members of the establishment &amp; media as well for there not to have been such a stink over it.
"Dirt" that may be photos of Tony Blair in flagrante delicto with other males.
Who knows, Cherie might be Tony's "beard" to enable him to appear normal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400322</id>
	<title>Cooperation with the Green Party</title>
	<author>bongomanaic</author>
	<datestamp>1268061960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since your core policies are very similar to those of the Green Party on these issues,  will you be supporting the Green Party in their target seats?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since your core policies are very similar to those of the Green Party on these issues , will you be supporting the Green Party in their target seats ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since your core policies are very similar to those of the Green Party on these issues,  will you be supporting the Green Party in their target seats?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399828</id>
	<title>Re:The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268058840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your question appears to be based on a flawed premise.</p><p>Do not vote on who you want to be the Prime Minister. Vote on who you want to represent your interests in parliament.</p><p>Yes, it's useful if that representative doesn't present views with which you agree on broader issues (foreign policy, education, healthcare, taxation being the usual suspects) but in reality a PPUK vote isn't even voting in a candidate; it's voting for a given issue ahead of the others.</p><p>If you really care strongly about foreign policy then vote for a candidate that will represent your views. If you care about a range of issues, find a candidate that represents you the best across the range.</p><p>If you find that the three main parties are all corrupt and pushing broadly the same policies, the Greens have no sense of reality, the BNP are a bunch of racist fuckwits and none of the independent candidates have knocked on your door to tell you what they're standing for, then why not vote for a single issue party. If you hate Europe vote UKIP, if you want greater transparency and online rights then vote PPUK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your question appears to be based on a flawed premise.Do not vote on who you want to be the Prime Minister .
Vote on who you want to represent your interests in parliament.Yes , it 's useful if that representative does n't present views with which you agree on broader issues ( foreign policy , education , healthcare , taxation being the usual suspects ) but in reality a PPUK vote is n't even voting in a candidate ; it 's voting for a given issue ahead of the others.If you really care strongly about foreign policy then vote for a candidate that will represent your views .
If you care about a range of issues , find a candidate that represents you the best across the range.If you find that the three main parties are all corrupt and pushing broadly the same policies , the Greens have no sense of reality , the BNP are a bunch of racist fuckwits and none of the independent candidates have knocked on your door to tell you what they 're standing for , then why not vote for a single issue party .
If you hate Europe vote UKIP , if you want greater transparency and online rights then vote PPUK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your question appears to be based on a flawed premise.Do not vote on who you want to be the Prime Minister.
Vote on who you want to represent your interests in parliament.Yes, it's useful if that representative doesn't present views with which you agree on broader issues (foreign policy, education, healthcare, taxation being the usual suspects) but in reality a PPUK vote isn't even voting in a candidate; it's voting for a given issue ahead of the others.If you really care strongly about foreign policy then vote for a candidate that will represent your views.
If you care about a range of issues, find a candidate that represents you the best across the range.If you find that the three main parties are all corrupt and pushing broadly the same policies, the Greens have no sense of reality, the BNP are a bunch of racist fuckwits and none of the independent candidates have knocked on your door to tell you what they're standing for, then why not vote for a single issue party.
If you hate Europe vote UKIP, if you want greater transparency and online rights then vote PPUK.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399020</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268049120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I hate that GPL argument. Sure it's technically correct, but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it's own rules.</i> <br> <br>"Subverting" in this context meaning more of "back to basics". Considering that it originated from the US and the US Constitution is quite specific on what "copyright type" things are ment to do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate that GPL argument .
Sure it 's technically correct , but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it 's own rules .
" Subverting " in this context meaning more of " back to basics " .
Considering that it originated from the US and the US Constitution is quite specific on what " copyright type " things are ment to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate that GPL argument.
Sure it's technically correct, but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it's own rules.
"Subverting" in this context meaning more of "back to basics".
Considering that it originated from the US and the US Constitution is quite specific on what "copyright type" things are ment to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403226</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1268076660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not actually opposed to your view, but I'm curious if you've thought through...</p><p>How will people whose productive output is something like a work of art (e.g. a novel, a movie, a new software program)<br>earn their food and lodging?</p><p>We have a pretty brutal capitalistic society most places these days, and pretty pathetic welfare support in all<br>but a few Skandinavian countries.</p><p>So what should we do about it to allow those who can't do anything useful except create new cool stuff survive<br>and thrive. An open challenge. Any ideas?</p><p>One idea I personally can't tolerate (in the software realm) is to say: You can earn money on support or customizations:<br>That just promotes the creation of crap dysfunctional and over-complex software that needs lots of support.</p><p>Another argument that doesn't work is to say: Allow people to download and use the digital product, because<br>then they will buy the CD/DVD/whatever. If ever there was a doomed, transitional business model, that's it.<br>Those artifacts won't exist soon. You won't even own a digital copy of something. You will just stream it or<br>cache it in near real time from some distributed "noplace" in the cloud.</p><p>So any other ideas? Is "streetcorner beggar donationware" the only solution? Will that work? Distributed patronage based<br>on the good will of the masses?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not actually opposed to your view , but I 'm curious if you 've thought through...How will people whose productive output is something like a work of art ( e.g .
a novel , a movie , a new software program ) earn their food and lodging ? We have a pretty brutal capitalistic society most places these days , and pretty pathetic welfare support in allbut a few Skandinavian countries.So what should we do about it to allow those who ca n't do anything useful except create new cool stuff surviveand thrive .
An open challenge .
Any ideas ? One idea I personally ca n't tolerate ( in the software realm ) is to say : You can earn money on support or customizations : That just promotes the creation of crap dysfunctional and over-complex software that needs lots of support.Another argument that does n't work is to say : Allow people to download and use the digital product , becausethen they will buy the CD/DVD/whatever .
If ever there was a doomed , transitional business model , that 's it.Those artifacts wo n't exist soon .
You wo n't even own a digital copy of something .
You will just stream it orcache it in near real time from some distributed " noplace " in the cloud.So any other ideas ?
Is " streetcorner beggar donationware " the only solution ?
Will that work ?
Distributed patronage basedon the good will of the masses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not actually opposed to your view, but I'm curious if you've thought through...How will people whose productive output is something like a work of art (e.g.
a novel, a movie, a new software program)earn their food and lodging?We have a pretty brutal capitalistic society most places these days, and pretty pathetic welfare support in allbut a few Skandinavian countries.So what should we do about it to allow those who can't do anything useful except create new cool stuff surviveand thrive.
An open challenge.
Any ideas?One idea I personally can't tolerate (in the software realm) is to say: You can earn money on support or customizations:That just promotes the creation of crap dysfunctional and over-complex software that needs lots of support.Another argument that doesn't work is to say: Allow people to download and use the digital product, becausethen they will buy the CD/DVD/whatever.
If ever there was a doomed, transitional business model, that's it.Those artifacts won't exist soon.
You won't even own a digital copy of something.
You will just stream it orcache it in near real time from some distributed "noplace" in the cloud.So any other ideas?
Is "streetcorner beggar donationware" the only solution?
Will that work?
Distributed patronage basedon the good will of the masses?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398776</id>
	<title>Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268046360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems Pirate Party UK's one of the core policies is reformin copyright and patent law so that non-commercial file sharing would be legalized. While certainly a noble goal, shouldn't content producers, artists, programmers, and basically anyone producing something have a right to their work?</p><p>This is not only limited to music, movies or other kind of entertainment - among other things, it also affects open source coders who release their code under GPL. If there weren't copyrights, there couldn't be GPL either, nor Creative Commons Attribution, No Derivative Works and Share Alike licenses. In this exact case copyright is used to allow the author to make sure he is attributed and his work isn't misused.</p><p>Wouldn't the world be less controlling if the authors actually had some saying over their works instead of being <i>forced</i> to lose control over their work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems Pirate Party UK 's one of the core policies is reformin copyright and patent law so that non-commercial file sharing would be legalized .
While certainly a noble goal , should n't content producers , artists , programmers , and basically anyone producing something have a right to their work ? This is not only limited to music , movies or other kind of entertainment - among other things , it also affects open source coders who release their code under GPL .
If there were n't copyrights , there could n't be GPL either , nor Creative Commons Attribution , No Derivative Works and Share Alike licenses .
In this exact case copyright is used to allow the author to make sure he is attributed and his work is n't misused.Would n't the world be less controlling if the authors actually had some saying over their works instead of being forced to lose control over their work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems Pirate Party UK's one of the core policies is reformin copyright and patent law so that non-commercial file sharing would be legalized.
While certainly a noble goal, shouldn't content producers, artists, programmers, and basically anyone producing something have a right to their work?This is not only limited to music, movies or other kind of entertainment - among other things, it also affects open source coders who release their code under GPL.
If there weren't copyrights, there couldn't be GPL either, nor Creative Commons Attribution, No Derivative Works and Share Alike licenses.
In this exact case copyright is used to allow the author to make sure he is attributed and his work isn't misused.Wouldn't the world be less controlling if the authors actually had some saying over their works instead of being forced to lose control over their work?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398930</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268048040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not surprising you have no idea why the GPL exists.  The GPL opposes copyright using the tools of copyright.  Without copyright, we have no need of the GPL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not surprising you have no idea why the GPL exists .
The GPL opposes copyright using the tools of copyright .
Without copyright , we have no need of the GPL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not surprising you have no idea why the GPL exists.
The GPL opposes copyright using the tools of copyright.
Without copyright, we have no need of the GPL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398976</id>
	<title>Priorities for spending of funds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268048580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does your treasurer and campaigns officer, apparently under heavy pressure from the likes of Eric Priezkalns, feel that spending almost all of the party funds on the upcoming general election is the right way to go, given that, realistically, the PPUK will not make much of an impact in these elections?  Don't you think that the better approach is a long-term one, and blowing all the money available to the party right now on the upcoming elections would be resources badly spent, when they could be better used to garner long-term widespread support/publicity, and apply long-term pressure?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does your treasurer and campaigns officer , apparently under heavy pressure from the likes of Eric Priezkalns , feel that spending almost all of the party funds on the upcoming general election is the right way to go , given that , realistically , the PPUK will not make much of an impact in these elections ?
Do n't you think that the better approach is a long-term one , and blowing all the money available to the party right now on the upcoming elections would be resources badly spent , when they could be better used to garner long-term widespread support/publicity , and apply long-term pressure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does your treasurer and campaigns officer, apparently under heavy pressure from the likes of Eric Priezkalns, feel that spending almost all of the party funds on the upcoming general election is the right way to go, given that, realistically, the PPUK will not make much of an impact in these elections?
Don't you think that the better approach is a long-term one, and blowing all the money available to the party right now on the upcoming elections would be resources badly spent, when they could be better used to garner long-term widespread support/publicity, and apply long-term pressure?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403202</id>
	<title>Source Code Release at the End of Copyright</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268076540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It strikes me that, as part of the social contract of copyright, companies should be obligated to release source code at the end of copyright. Will you push for this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It strikes me that , as part of the social contract of copyright , companies should be obligated to release source code at the end of copyright .
Will you push for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It strikes me that, as part of the social contract of copyright, companies should be obligated to release source code at the end of copyright.
Will you push for this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399674</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1268057760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I hate that GPL argument. Sure it's technically correct, but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it's own rules. The GPL would be unnecessary, and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.</p></div></blockquote><p>And I hate the anti-GPL copyright argument. Sure it looks correct, but the GPL was written to ensure that source code <i>remains free</i> by using copyright's own rules. The GPL would be unnecessarily compromised, and would most definitely still be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.</p><p>Without copyright then the BSD/MIT license would still be about functional ("anyone can use our code, including closing it off") but there'd be a question over attribution requirements. Without copyright the GPL would be screwed for any way to say "...and you must make the source of distributed versions and modifications available under the same or similar license".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate that GPL argument .
Sure it 's technically correct , but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it 's own rules .
The GPL would be unnecessary , and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.And I hate the anti-GPL copyright argument .
Sure it looks correct , but the GPL was written to ensure that source code remains free by using copyright 's own rules .
The GPL would be unnecessarily compromised , and would most definitely still be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.Without copyright then the BSD/MIT license would still be about functional ( " anyone can use our code , including closing it off " ) but there 'd be a question over attribution requirements .
Without copyright the GPL would be screwed for any way to say " ...and you must make the source of distributed versions and modifications available under the same or similar license " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate that GPL argument.
Sure it's technically correct, but the GPL was written with the intent of subverting copyright using it's own rules.
The GPL would be unnecessary, and would most definitely not be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.And I hate the anti-GPL copyright argument.
Sure it looks correct, but the GPL was written to ensure that source code remains free by using copyright's own rules.
The GPL would be unnecessarily compromised, and would most definitely still be common had the copyright system been much more lax during the last few decades.Without copyright then the BSD/MIT license would still be about functional ("anyone can use our code, including closing it off") but there'd be a question over attribution requirements.
Without copyright the GPL would be screwed for any way to say "...and you must make the source of distributed versions and modifications available under the same or similar license".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400970</id>
	<title>Re:The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>gsslay</author>
	<datestamp>1268065680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As if by voting for you, I genuinely hope you are to be the next Prime Ministers, replacing Gordon Brown.</p></div><p>Well this is clearly not going to happen.  What would be a far likelier outcome, although still not going to happen, is that a Pirate Party candidate becomes your local MP.  In which case you should be asking yourself; does this person understand the many and varied wishes of voters in my constituency, and are they capable of representing them in Parliament?   There are plenty of small party or independent candidates that could do this, but they usually have extensive grounding in local politics and/or are driven by issues that have particular local significance.  You cannot say this of Pirate Party candidates.</p><p>I can think of few better ways of wasting a vote that voting for a single issue, no-hope candidate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As if by voting for you , I genuinely hope you are to be the next Prime Ministers , replacing Gordon Brown.Well this is clearly not going to happen .
What would be a far likelier outcome , although still not going to happen , is that a Pirate Party candidate becomes your local MP .
In which case you should be asking yourself ; does this person understand the many and varied wishes of voters in my constituency , and are they capable of representing them in Parliament ?
There are plenty of small party or independent candidates that could do this , but they usually have extensive grounding in local politics and/or are driven by issues that have particular local significance .
You can not say this of Pirate Party candidates.I can think of few better ways of wasting a vote that voting for a single issue , no-hope candidate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As if by voting for you, I genuinely hope you are to be the next Prime Ministers, replacing Gordon Brown.Well this is clearly not going to happen.
What would be a far likelier outcome, although still not going to happen, is that a Pirate Party candidate becomes your local MP.
In which case you should be asking yourself; does this person understand the many and varied wishes of voters in my constituency, and are they capable of representing them in Parliament?
There are plenty of small party or independent candidates that could do this, but they usually have extensive grounding in local politics and/or are driven by issues that have particular local significance.
You cannot say this of Pirate Party candidates.I can think of few better ways of wasting a vote that voting for a single issue, no-hope candidate.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399556</id>
	<title>Re:Authors would NOT be forced to lose their right</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1268056200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Forcing authors to lose rights" - NO! A common misconception. *Some* rights maybe, but only to guarantee the rights of the public!</p></div><p>What these "artists" (and I use the term loosely, as this mainly seems to be driven by the labels and many artists actually oppose the labels' standpoint) always seem to gloss over when they talk about "losing rights" is that these aren't some kind of natural, inalienable rights, they're rights specifically granted to them by the public. If the public feel that they are abusing those rights or taking them to the extreme then it's perfectly justifiable to reign them in or remove them completely. What the governments continually forget is that they're meant to serve the will of the people, not the will of the labels.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Forcing authors to lose rights " - NO !
A common misconception .
* Some * rights maybe , but only to guarantee the rights of the public ! What these " artists " ( and I use the term loosely , as this mainly seems to be driven by the labels and many artists actually oppose the labels ' standpoint ) always seem to gloss over when they talk about " losing rights " is that these are n't some kind of natural , inalienable rights , they 're rights specifically granted to them by the public .
If the public feel that they are abusing those rights or taking them to the extreme then it 's perfectly justifiable to reign them in or remove them completely .
What the governments continually forget is that they 're meant to serve the will of the people , not the will of the labels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Forcing authors to lose rights" - NO!
A common misconception.
*Some* rights maybe, but only to guarantee the rights of the public!What these "artists" (and I use the term loosely, as this mainly seems to be driven by the labels and many artists actually oppose the labels' standpoint) always seem to gloss over when they talk about "losing rights" is that these aren't some kind of natural, inalienable rights, they're rights specifically granted to them by the public.
If the public feel that they are abusing those rights or taking them to the extreme then it's perfectly justifiable to reign them in or remove them completely.
What the governments continually forget is that they're meant to serve the will of the people, not the will of the labels.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400894</id>
	<title>Falkvinge?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268065380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sweden's PP is the biggest in the world and Sweden's elections are coming up too. Why aren't you interviewing him?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sweden 's PP is the biggest in the world and Sweden 's elections are coming up too .
Why are n't you interviewing him ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sweden's PP is the biggest in the world and Sweden's elections are coming up too.
Why aren't you interviewing him?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399104</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1268050440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Now, there's a huge SNAFU going on here with our RIAA-equivalent (the SGAE), who are lying bastards and cheaters,</i> <br> <br>Isn't that a required "qualification" for such positions?<br> <br> <i>the levy system isn't ideal (many people get charged who don't use P2P, and the devices/consumables that get levies are just stupid - I think it'd be better to charge levies on internet connections instead of consumables and devices),</i> <br> <br>Which is still going to be just as unfair the only change is that it might be different people who are paying for nothing.<br> <br> <i>and the way the levies are distributed is completely backwards (SGAE execs have been known to use some privately, transparency is nil, and small artists get squat).</i> <br> <br>In other words the people distributing the money are completly corrupt.<br> <br>Nonetheless, the basic premise isnt all that bad: legalize audio/video/book file sharing, but impose some reasonable sort of cash stream from the people very likely to use P2P to the people who very likely have their works shared. <br> <br>You might just as well pay "artists" X amount of money from general taxation. If nothing else the people involved in paying out the money are likely to be more efficent and less corrupt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , there 's a huge SNAFU going on here with our RIAA-equivalent ( the SGAE ) , who are lying bastards and cheaters , Is n't that a required " qualification " for such positions ?
the levy system is n't ideal ( many people get charged who do n't use P2P , and the devices/consumables that get levies are just stupid - I think it 'd be better to charge levies on internet connections instead of consumables and devices ) , Which is still going to be just as unfair the only change is that it might be different people who are paying for nothing .
and the way the levies are distributed is completely backwards ( SGAE execs have been known to use some privately , transparency is nil , and small artists get squat ) .
In other words the people distributing the money are completly corrupt .
Nonetheless , the basic premise isnt all that bad : legalize audio/video/book file sharing , but impose some reasonable sort of cash stream from the people very likely to use P2P to the people who very likely have their works shared .
You might just as well pay " artists " X amount of money from general taxation .
If nothing else the people involved in paying out the money are likely to be more efficent and less corrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, there's a huge SNAFU going on here with our RIAA-equivalent (the SGAE), who are lying bastards and cheaters,  Isn't that a required "qualification" for such positions?
the levy system isn't ideal (many people get charged who don't use P2P, and the devices/consumables that get levies are just stupid - I think it'd be better to charge levies on internet connections instead of consumables and devices),  Which is still going to be just as unfair the only change is that it might be different people who are paying for nothing.
and the way the levies are distributed is completely backwards (SGAE execs have been known to use some privately, transparency is nil, and small artists get squat).
In other words the people distributing the money are completly corrupt.
Nonetheless, the basic premise isnt all that bad: legalize audio/video/book file sharing, but impose some reasonable sort of cash stream from the people very likely to use P2P to the people who very likely have their works shared.
You might just as well pay "artists" X amount of money from general taxation.
If nothing else the people involved in paying out the money are likely to be more efficent and less corrupt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399286</id>
	<title>Questions</title>
	<author>Rik Sweeney</author>
	<datestamp>1268052840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(In order of importance)</p><p>1. How are you going to improve our Schools and Hospitals?<br>2. What is your stance on the "War on Terror"?<br>3. The economy is facing another nosedive before the end of the year, how are you preparing for it?<br>4. How are you going to tackle the uncontrolled immigration problem?<br>5. Do you have any plans to control anti social behaviour?</p><p>(loads of other more important questions later)</p><p>4432. What will you change in copyright law, whilst still making sure that the 2 years+ unemployed bloke next door can come up a new idea and use it to get out of the rut that he's currently stuck in?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( In order of importance ) 1 .
How are you going to improve our Schools and Hospitals ? 2 .
What is your stance on the " War on Terror " ? 3 .
The economy is facing another nosedive before the end of the year , how are you preparing for it ? 4 .
How are you going to tackle the uncontrolled immigration problem ? 5 .
Do you have any plans to control anti social behaviour ?
( loads of other more important questions later ) 4432 .
What will you change in copyright law , whilst still making sure that the 2 years + unemployed bloke next door can come up a new idea and use it to get out of the rut that he 's currently stuck in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(In order of importance)1.
How are you going to improve our Schools and Hospitals?2.
What is your stance on the "War on Terror"?3.
The economy is facing another nosedive before the end of the year, how are you preparing for it?4.
How are you going to tackle the uncontrolled immigration problem?5.
Do you have any plans to control anti social behaviour?
(loads of other more important questions later)4432.
What will you change in copyright law, whilst still making sure that the 2 years+ unemployed bloke next door can come up a new idea and use it to get out of the rut that he's currently stuck in?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399098</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>AmonTheMetalhead</author>
	<datestamp>1268050260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have those levies in Belgium too, that's why i refuse to buy media &amp; devices in Belgium anymore, sucks for the local distributors, but I'm <b>NOT</b> going to contribute to the 'artist most likely to have their work shared'.<br>
<br>
I buy Cd's, i have over 600 at last count, and none of those are from 'mainstream' artists (whom tend to suck badly anyway), if they insist on those levies, i want to be able to bring in my legal purchases as a reduction against those levies (hell, they'd owe *me* money that way) when i decide to buy a new memory card for my camera, and if that's impossible I'd at least appreciate having a say as to what artist gets my 'contribution', crap artists like 50cent and Britney Spears have no right to my money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have those levies in Belgium too , that 's why i refuse to buy media &amp; devices in Belgium anymore , sucks for the local distributors , but I 'm NOT going to contribute to the 'artist most likely to have their work shared' .
I buy Cd 's , i have over 600 at last count , and none of those are from 'mainstream ' artists ( whom tend to suck badly anyway ) , if they insist on those levies , i want to be able to bring in my legal purchases as a reduction against those levies ( hell , they 'd owe * me * money that way ) when i decide to buy a new memory card for my camera , and if that 's impossible I 'd at least appreciate having a say as to what artist gets my 'contribution ' , crap artists like 50cent and Britney Spears have no right to my money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have those levies in Belgium too, that's why i refuse to buy media &amp; devices in Belgium anymore, sucks for the local distributors, but I'm NOT going to contribute to the 'artist most likely to have their work shared'.
I buy Cd's, i have over 600 at last count, and none of those are from 'mainstream' artists (whom tend to suck badly anyway), if they insist on those levies, i want to be able to bring in my legal purchases as a reduction against those levies (hell, they'd owe *me* money that way) when i decide to buy a new memory card for my camera, and if that's impossible I'd at least appreciate having a say as to what artist gets my 'contribution', crap artists like 50cent and Britney Spears have no right to my money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401332</id>
	<title>Important question...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268067660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How will you reform Health care?   I don't give a flying buffalo about copyrights, and IP theft, and whatnot.   It's all a bunch of nerd BS to me.  But health care will keep me alive.  How will you serve me in that aspect?  Or any aspect at all?  It really does seem your "party" is as single issue as some of the parties of old which have naturally faded into oblivion.</p><p>What else can we get from you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How will you reform Health care ?
I do n't give a flying buffalo about copyrights , and IP theft , and whatnot .
It 's all a bunch of nerd BS to me .
But health care will keep me alive .
How will you serve me in that aspect ?
Or any aspect at all ?
It really does seem your " party " is as single issue as some of the parties of old which have naturally faded into oblivion.What else can we get from you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How will you reform Health care?
I don't give a flying buffalo about copyrights, and IP theft, and whatnot.
It's all a bunch of nerd BS to me.
But health care will keep me alive.
How will you serve me in that aspect?
Or any aspect at all?
It really does seem your "party" is as single issue as some of the parties of old which have naturally faded into oblivion.What else can we get from you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400460</id>
	<title>Stop the sherade</title>
	<author>paxcoder</author>
	<datestamp>1268062800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Torrent is a sort of a link, but that doesn't mean you should get votes over someone with real political plans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrent is a sort of a link , but that does n't mean you should get votes over someone with real political plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrent is a sort of a link, but that doesn't mean you should get votes over someone with real political plans.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399692</id>
	<title>Is fielding candidates the best course?</title>
	<author>AxeTheMax</author>
	<datestamp>1268057880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is fielding candidates the best course, for a single issue group like yours? I am in agreement with you on this subject. However I have multiple other concerns, including the economy, equalities issues, environmental issues, foreign relations. Are you going to address these, and if you do, what are the chances that I will still be in agreement?

It seems to me that a better course would be to form a pressure group to exert influence on copyright and related matters, on all politicians. As it is, the likely poor showing you will get will enable politicians to say that your concerns have been rejected by the electorate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is fielding candidates the best course , for a single issue group like yours ?
I am in agreement with you on this subject .
However I have multiple other concerns , including the economy , equalities issues , environmental issues , foreign relations .
Are you going to address these , and if you do , what are the chances that I will still be in agreement ?
It seems to me that a better course would be to form a pressure group to exert influence on copyright and related matters , on all politicians .
As it is , the likely poor showing you will get will enable politicians to say that your concerns have been rejected by the electorate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is fielding candidates the best course, for a single issue group like yours?
I am in agreement with you on this subject.
However I have multiple other concerns, including the economy, equalities issues, environmental issues, foreign relations.
Are you going to address these, and if you do, what are the chances that I will still be in agreement?
It seems to me that a better course would be to form a pressure group to exert influence on copyright and related matters, on all politicians.
As it is, the likely poor showing you will get will enable politicians to say that your concerns have been rejected by the electorate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401494</id>
	<title>"Don't know much about history..."</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1268068500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Considering that it originated from the US and the US Constitution is quite specific on what "copyright type" things are ment to do.</i> </p><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute\_of\_Anne" title="wikipedia.org">Statute of Anne</a> [wikipedia.org] was adopted in 1709.</p><p>The US Constitution [1789] establised the operational limits and structure of the federal government. The framers were dead against trying to make policy decisions and legislation for future generations:</p><p><i>The Congress shall have Power...] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.</i> </p><p>This is <b>all</b> the Constitution has to say about intellectual property rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that it originated from the US and the US Constitution is quite specific on what " copyright type " things are ment to do .
The Statute of Anne [ wikipedia.org ] was adopted in 1709.The US Constitution [ 1789 ] establised the operational limits and structure of the federal government .
The framers were dead against trying to make policy decisions and legislation for future generations : The Congress shall have Power... ] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts , by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries .
This is all the Constitution has to say about intellectual property rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that it originated from the US and the US Constitution is quite specific on what "copyright type" things are ment to do.
The Statute of Anne [wikipedia.org] was adopted in 1709.The US Constitution [1789] establised the operational limits and structure of the federal government.
The framers were dead against trying to make policy decisions and legislation for future generations:The Congress shall have Power...] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
This is all the Constitution has to say about intellectual property rights.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>LinuxAndLube</author>
	<datestamp>1268933040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Amen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399988</id>
	<title>Re:The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1268059620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think questions on other issues are irrelevant.  As far as I can tell, PPUK will not be fielding enough candidates to win a majority in the Commons even if all their candidates were elected.

Voting for a PPUK candidate would be similar to voting for a so-called "single issue" independent politician like former MP <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin\_Bell" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Martin Bell</a> [wikipedia.org].  For the benefit of those unfamiliar with recent British political history: Martin Bell was a well-known war reporter who resigned from the BBC and stood for election on an anti-"sleaze" platform.  Of course it was extremely improbable that Bell might become a member of the government with any real influence on government policy.  But enough voters in the Tatton constituency voted for him to become their MP.  In effect it was a protest vote to show the government that the electorate was unhappy about "sleaze"; and the government introduced stricter parliamentary rules to try and cut the extent of corruption in Parliament.

So a vote for a PPUK candidate in this year's election would not be an attempt to get a PPUK government installed.  But the election of <i>any</i> PPUK candidates would be a clear signal to the next government that there is widespread unhappiness about copyright/intellectual property policies.  The more PPUK candidates that win, the bigger the signal.  Voting for the PPUK is something we can do to show the government we want the system to change.  A vote for the PPUK would <i>not</i> be a wasted vote.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think questions on other issues are irrelevant .
As far as I can tell , PPUK will not be fielding enough candidates to win a majority in the Commons even if all their candidates were elected .
Voting for a PPUK candidate would be similar to voting for a so-called " single issue " independent politician like former MP Martin Bell [ wikipedia.org ] .
For the benefit of those unfamiliar with recent British political history : Martin Bell was a well-known war reporter who resigned from the BBC and stood for election on an anti- " sleaze " platform .
Of course it was extremely improbable that Bell might become a member of the government with any real influence on government policy .
But enough voters in the Tatton constituency voted for him to become their MP .
In effect it was a protest vote to show the government that the electorate was unhappy about " sleaze " ; and the government introduced stricter parliamentary rules to try and cut the extent of corruption in Parliament .
So a vote for a PPUK candidate in this year 's election would not be an attempt to get a PPUK government installed .
But the election of any PPUK candidates would be a clear signal to the next government that there is widespread unhappiness about copyright/intellectual property policies .
The more PPUK candidates that win , the bigger the signal .
Voting for the PPUK is something we can do to show the government we want the system to change .
A vote for the PPUK would not be a wasted vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think questions on other issues are irrelevant.
As far as I can tell, PPUK will not be fielding enough candidates to win a majority in the Commons even if all their candidates were elected.
Voting for a PPUK candidate would be similar to voting for a so-called "single issue" independent politician like former MP Martin Bell [wikipedia.org].
For the benefit of those unfamiliar with recent British political history: Martin Bell was a well-known war reporter who resigned from the BBC and stood for election on an anti-"sleaze" platform.
Of course it was extremely improbable that Bell might become a member of the government with any real influence on government policy.
But enough voters in the Tatton constituency voted for him to become their MP.
In effect it was a protest vote to show the government that the electorate was unhappy about "sleaze"; and the government introduced stricter parliamentary rules to try and cut the extent of corruption in Parliament.
So a vote for a PPUK candidate in this year's election would not be an attempt to get a PPUK government installed.
But the election of any PPUK candidates would be a clear signal to the next government that there is widespread unhappiness about copyright/intellectual property policies.
The more PPUK candidates that win, the bigger the signal.
Voting for the PPUK is something we can do to show the government we want the system to change.
A vote for the PPUK would not be a wasted vote.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403916</id>
	<title>Re:Diluting possible change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268079720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I believe the OP would say you should vote Conservative.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the OP would say you should vote Conservative .
; P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the OP would say you should vote Conservative.
;P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31518860</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1268844300000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         Thank God there is a Pirate Party and people trying to keep the flow of information free.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To me most artists surrender their work to middle men and thus really lose all hope of control. And sadly those rats in the middle take the money and throw scraps at the artists as a rule. These very men in the middle are the ones tossing cash around and trying to buy laws that offer them unusual and immoral levels of protection.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I think we need to define real commercial distribution and protect a recording artist from someone who sets up to actually directly sell copies of their work. But not file sharing among friends where money does not change hands. And none of this nonsense about indirectly profiting from file sharing should be heard by any court either.Books fall into the same slot. Software should be protected for a very short time. Two years ought to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank God there is a Pirate Party and people trying to keep the flow of information free .
                  To me most artists surrender their work to middle men and thus really lose all hope of control .
And sadly those rats in the middle take the money and throw scraps at the artists as a rule .
These very men in the middle are the ones tossing cash around and trying to buy laws that offer them unusual and immoral levels of protection .
                  I think we need to define real commercial distribution and protect a recording artist from someone who sets up to actually directly sell copies of their work .
But not file sharing among friends where money does not change hands .
And none of this nonsense about indirectly profiting from file sharing should be heard by any court either.Books fall into the same slot .
Software should be protected for a very short time .
Two years ought to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         Thank God there is a Pirate Party and people trying to keep the flow of information free.
                  To me most artists surrender their work to middle men and thus really lose all hope of control.
And sadly those rats in the middle take the money and throw scraps at the artists as a rule.
These very men in the middle are the ones tossing cash around and trying to buy laws that offer them unusual and immoral levels of protection.
                  I think we need to define real commercial distribution and protect a recording artist from someone who sets up to actually directly sell copies of their work.
But not file sharing among friends where money does not change hands.
And none of this nonsense about indirectly profiting from file sharing should be heard by any court either.Books fall into the same slot.
Software should be protected for a very short time.
Two years ought to do it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399064</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268049720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>How does a computer game get funded under this system?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does a computer game get funded under this system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does a computer game get funded under this system?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399588</id>
	<title>Re:Monster Raving Loony Party</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1268056680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think you're missing the point - some people might vote for this party as a protest vote, but they do have some policies (you know, the ones about copyright law), so aren't comparable to the MRLP in that sense, and aren't a duplication of any existing party.</p><p>And perhaps some people might want a protest vote without voting for racists. I don't understand your reasoning - just because something is a "shock" doesn't make it a good shock. If the main parties do feel they have to change their stance in response to BNP members being elected, how do you think that work? Do you think they'll go "Oh yes, we better stop with those draconian three strikes laws etc"? Or do you think there'll be more likely to be xenophobic and anti-immigration policies, in order to cater to those voters?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're missing the point - some people might vote for this party as a protest vote , but they do have some policies ( you know , the ones about copyright law ) , so are n't comparable to the MRLP in that sense , and are n't a duplication of any existing party.And perhaps some people might want a protest vote without voting for racists .
I do n't understand your reasoning - just because something is a " shock " does n't make it a good shock .
If the main parties do feel they have to change their stance in response to BNP members being elected , how do you think that work ?
Do you think they 'll go " Oh yes , we better stop with those draconian three strikes laws etc " ?
Or do you think there 'll be more likely to be xenophobic and anti-immigration policies , in order to cater to those voters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're missing the point - some people might vote for this party as a protest vote, but they do have some policies (you know, the ones about copyright law), so aren't comparable to the MRLP in that sense, and aren't a duplication of any existing party.And perhaps some people might want a protest vote without voting for racists.
I don't understand your reasoning - just because something is a "shock" doesn't make it a good shock.
If the main parties do feel they have to change their stance in response to BNP members being elected, how do you think that work?
Do you think they'll go "Oh yes, we better stop with those draconian three strikes laws etc"?
Or do you think there'll be more likely to be xenophobic and anti-immigration policies, in order to cater to those voters?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31402384</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Shemmie</author>
	<datestamp>1268072880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I'm a member of the PP UK, and I couldn't agree with you more, tbh. It's all well and good saying where the party stands on copyright law... but prospective voters would also be kinda interested in plans for dealing with the economy, how the public sector will be handled, taxes, education, etc. And as someone I believe jokingly put, that does not mean turning every answer into a copyright-slanted argument. "Education? We would propose Open Source software for all students!"... ok, but would you continue to build Academies, consider Grammar Schools, etc? If it's going to be taken seriously, it needs serious policies, across the board.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a member of the PP UK , and I could n't agree with you more , tbh .
It 's all well and good saying where the party stands on copyright law... but prospective voters would also be kinda interested in plans for dealing with the economy , how the public sector will be handled , taxes , education , etc .
And as someone I believe jokingly put , that does not mean turning every answer into a copyright-slanted argument .
" Education ? We would propose Open Source software for all students ! " .. .
ok , but would you continue to build Academies , consider Grammar Schools , etc ?
If it 's going to be taken seriously , it needs serious policies , across the board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a member of the PP UK, and I couldn't agree with you more, tbh.
It's all well and good saying where the party stands on copyright law... but prospective voters would also be kinda interested in plans for dealing with the economy, how the public sector will be handled, taxes, education, etc.
And as someone I believe jokingly put, that does not mean turning every answer into a copyright-slanted argument.
"Education? We would propose Open Source software for all students!"...
ok, but would you continue to build Academies, consider Grammar Schools, etc?
If it's going to be taken seriously, it needs serious policies, across the board.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403518</id>
	<title>Re:Important question...</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1268078040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How will you reform Health care?</p></div><p>We're going to abolish drug patents making medicine cheaper: <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts:Manifesto\_Proposal#Where\_patents\_don.27t\_promote\_innovation.2C\_or\_actively\_prevent\_it.2C\_we.27ll\_scrap\_them" title="pirateparty.org.uk">http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts:Manifesto\_Proposal#Where\_patents\_don.27t\_promote\_innovation.2C\_or\_actively\_prevent\_it.2C\_we.27ll\_scrap\_them</a> [pirateparty.org.uk]</p></div>
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<tokenext>How will you reform Health care ? We 're going to abolish drug patents making medicine cheaper : http : //www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts : Manifesto \ _Proposal # Where \ _patents \ _don.27t \ _promote \ _innovation.2C \ _or \ _actively \ _prevent \ _it.2C \ _we.27ll \ _scrap \ _them [ pirateparty.org.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How will you reform Health care?We're going to abolish drug patents making medicine cheaper: http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Drafts:Manifesto\_Proposal#Where\_patents\_don.27t\_promote\_innovation.2C\_or\_actively\_prevent\_it.2C\_we.27ll\_scrap\_them [pirateparty.org.uk]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399604</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1268056980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I see the point you're making - but most of those questions are only relevant for a party forming a Government.</p><p>There's no chance of that happening here - I don't mean that in a "they won't get that many votes" sense, but I mean in the sense that they don't have enough people even standing for election. So such a thing is impossible.</p><p>It's still important I think to have policies on a wide range of issues, because if you had one as your MP, you'd still want to write to him, and hope he has an opinion on more than a single issue, and such things would be voted on in the Commons.</p><p>But let's be fair - individual MPs are not expected to come up with solutions to the economy, or immigration problems. (As an aside, I'm not sure what uncontrolled problem you are referring to - although I appreciate that these might be questions asked by your typical Daily Mail reader, so it's useful to have responses to them.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see the point you 're making - but most of those questions are only relevant for a party forming a Government.There 's no chance of that happening here - I do n't mean that in a " they wo n't get that many votes " sense , but I mean in the sense that they do n't have enough people even standing for election .
So such a thing is impossible.It 's still important I think to have policies on a wide range of issues , because if you had one as your MP , you 'd still want to write to him , and hope he has an opinion on more than a single issue , and such things would be voted on in the Commons.But let 's be fair - individual MPs are not expected to come up with solutions to the economy , or immigration problems .
( As an aside , I 'm not sure what uncontrolled problem you are referring to - although I appreciate that these might be questions asked by your typical Daily Mail reader , so it 's useful to have responses to them .
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<sentencetext>I see the point you're making - but most of those questions are only relevant for a party forming a Government.There's no chance of that happening here - I don't mean that in a "they won't get that many votes" sense, but I mean in the sense that they don't have enough people even standing for election.
So such a thing is impossible.It's still important I think to have policies on a wide range of issues, because if you had one as your MP, you'd still want to write to him, and hope he has an opinion on more than a single issue, and such things would be voted on in the Commons.But let's be fair - individual MPs are not expected to come up with solutions to the economy, or immigration problems.
(As an aside, I'm not sure what uncontrolled problem you are referring to - although I appreciate that these might be questions asked by your typical Daily Mail reader, so it's useful to have responses to them.
)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Artifical Digital Scarcity Vs Digital "Pirate"</title>
	<author>junjie\_1024</author>
	<datestamp>1269282660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The "Pirate" in The Pirate Party's name implies the duplication of digital information. One side of the "Pirate" argument, mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music\_industry#Music\_industry\_organizations" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Music Industry</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion\_Picture\_Association" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Motion Picture Associations</a> [wikipedia.org], believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial\_scarcity" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Artificial Scarcity</a> [wikipedia.org] into the digital medium via treaties such as <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?option=com\_tags&amp;task=view&amp;tag=acta&amp;Itemid=408" title="michaelgeist.ca" rel="nofollow">ACTA</a> [michaelgeist.ca]. In other words, they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed\_cost" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">fixed cost</a> [wikipedia.org], just like any physical good for sale.  On the other side of the debate we have the "Pirates" who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarce\_good" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">scarce good</a> [wikipedia.org], that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital\_distribution" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">digital distribution</a> [wikipedia.org] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone.
</p><p>How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium?</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>The "Pirate" in The Pirate Party's name implies the duplication of digital information. One side of the "Pirate" argument, mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music\_industry#Music\_industry\_organizations" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Music Industry</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion\_Picture\_Association" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Motion Picture Associations</a> [wikipedia.org], believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial\_scarcity" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Artificial Scarcity</a> [wikipedia.org] into the digital medium via treaties such as <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?option=com\_tags&amp;task=view&amp;tag=acta&amp;Itemid=408" title="michaelgeist.ca" rel="nofollow">ACTA</a> [michaelgeist.ca]. In other words, they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed\_cost" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">fixed cost</a> [wikipedia.org], just like any physical good for sale.  On the other side of the debate we have the "Pirates" who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarce\_good" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">scarce good</a> [wikipedia.org], that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital\_distribution" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">digital distribution</a> [wikipedia.org] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone.
</p><p>How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium?</p></div><p>Hundreds of fabulous girls from forty different countries kicked off Teen Vogue&rsquo;s annual Fashion University with
 [url=www.juicycouturecvs.com/]Juicy Couture[/url].The launch cocktail party was hosted by Juicy at their 5th Ave Flagship in New York City. The energy in the line outside the party was an indication of what was to come and that excitement exploded when the Girls hit the store floor. They sipped on smoothies and pink lemonade, devoured treats from silver platters all as they experienced the colorful and insanely fun world
of[url=www.juicycouturecvs.com/]Juicy Couture bags[/url]. There was a DJ spinning and NY band Lion of Ido added to the frenzy. All had an amazing NY night, meeting new friends, taking photos, exchanging emails and of course a little retail therapy. [url=www.juicycouturecvs.com/]Juicy [/url]was thrilled to be host to these up and coming trendsetters that will surely make up the next generation of fashion mavens.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The " Pirate " in The Pirate Party 's name implies the duplication of digital information .
One side of the " Pirate " argument , mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the Music Industry [ wikipedia.org ] and Motion Picture Associations [ wikipedia.org ] , believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing Artificial Scarcity [ wikipedia.org ] into the digital medium via treaties such as ACTA [ michaelgeist.ca ] .
In other words , they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for fixed cost [ wikipedia.org ] , just like any physical good for sale .
On the other side of the debate we have the " Pirates " who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a scarce good [ wikipedia.org ] , that digital distribution [ wikipedia.org ] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone .
How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium ? The " Pirate " in The Pirate Party 's name implies the duplication of digital information .
One side of the " Pirate " argument , mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the Music Industry [ wikipedia.org ] and Motion Picture Associations [ wikipedia.org ] , believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing Artificial Scarcity [ wikipedia.org ] into the digital medium via treaties such as ACTA [ michaelgeist.ca ] .
In other words , they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for fixed cost [ wikipedia.org ] , just like any physical good for sale .
On the other side of the debate we have the " Pirates " who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a scarce good [ wikipedia.org ] , that digital distribution [ wikipedia.org ] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone .
How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium ? Hundreds of fabulous girls from forty different countries kicked off Teen Vogue    s annual Fashion University with [ url = www.juicycouturecvs.com/ ] Juicy Couture [ /url ] .The launch cocktail party was hosted by Juicy at their 5th Ave Flagship in New York City .
The energy in the line outside the party was an indication of what was to come and that excitement exploded when the Girls hit the store floor .
They sipped on smoothies and pink lemonade , devoured treats from silver platters all as they experienced the colorful and insanely fun world of [ url = www.juicycouturecvs.com/ ] Juicy Couture bags [ /url ] .
There was a DJ spinning and NY band Lion of Ido added to the frenzy .
All had an amazing NY night , meeting new friends , taking photos , exchanging emails and of course a little retail therapy .
[ url = www.juicycouturecvs.com/ ] Juicy [ /url ] was thrilled to be host to these up and coming trendsetters that will surely make up the next generation of fashion mavens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "Pirate" in The Pirate Party's name implies the duplication of digital information.
One side of the "Pirate" argument, mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the Music Industry [wikipedia.org] and Motion Picture Associations [wikipedia.org], believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing Artificial Scarcity [wikipedia.org] into the digital medium via treaties such as ACTA [michaelgeist.ca].
In other words, they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for fixed cost [wikipedia.org], just like any physical good for sale.
On the other side of the debate we have the "Pirates" who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a scarce good [wikipedia.org], that digital distribution [wikipedia.org] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone.
How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium?The "Pirate" in The Pirate Party's name implies the duplication of digital information.
One side of the "Pirate" argument, mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the Music Industry [wikipedia.org] and Motion Picture Associations [wikipedia.org], believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing Artificial Scarcity [wikipedia.org] into the digital medium via treaties such as ACTA [michaelgeist.ca].
In other words, they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for fixed cost [wikipedia.org], just like any physical good for sale.
On the other side of the debate we have the "Pirates" who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a scarce good [wikipedia.org], that digital distribution [wikipedia.org] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone.
How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium?Hundreds of fabulous girls from forty different countries kicked off Teen Vogue’s annual Fashion University with
 [url=www.juicycouturecvs.com/]Juicy Couture[/url].The launch cocktail party was hosted by Juicy at their 5th Ave Flagship in New York City.
The energy in the line outside the party was an indication of what was to come and that excitement exploded when the Girls hit the store floor.
They sipped on smoothies and pink lemonade, devoured treats from silver platters all as they experienced the colorful and insanely fun world
of[url=www.juicycouturecvs.com/]Juicy Couture bags[/url].
There was a DJ spinning and NY band Lion of Ido added to the frenzy.
All had an amazing NY night, meeting new friends, taking photos, exchanging emails and of course a little retail therapy.
[url=www.juicycouturecvs.com/]Juicy [/url]was thrilled to be host to these up and coming trendsetters that will surely make up the next generation of fashion mavens.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31407098</id>
	<title>Will you protect workers from exploitation?</title>
	<author>physicsdot</author>
	<datestamp>1268049240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Powerful copyright holders should not exploit the public by undemocratically changing laws to suit themselves - but what about the converse?
<p>

My wife is a writer - her last book was short-listed for a major award, but had disappointing sales - she has earned about half minimum wage for her 9 months work. However, there is a copy of her book on the torrent sites with enough seeders for me to think that her book is downloaded more than 20 times a week.
</p><p>

We know these most of these downloads are not lost sales; perhaps the downloader was poor, or didn't like the book. But some of them will enjoy it, and some of them will be comfortably well off. Those people who benefit from or enjoy my wife's book have a moral obligation to ensure that my wife is fairly compensated for it - otherwise they are exploiting her.
</p><p>

Will your party have a system in place to ensure that poor content creators are not exploited by rich content consumers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Powerful copyright holders should not exploit the public by undemocratically changing laws to suit themselves - but what about the converse ?
My wife is a writer - her last book was short-listed for a major award , but had disappointing sales - she has earned about half minimum wage for her 9 months work .
However , there is a copy of her book on the torrent sites with enough seeders for me to think that her book is downloaded more than 20 times a week .
We know these most of these downloads are not lost sales ; perhaps the downloader was poor , or did n't like the book .
But some of them will enjoy it , and some of them will be comfortably well off .
Those people who benefit from or enjoy my wife 's book have a moral obligation to ensure that my wife is fairly compensated for it - otherwise they are exploiting her .
Will your party have a system in place to ensure that poor content creators are not exploited by rich content consumers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Powerful copyright holders should not exploit the public by undemocratically changing laws to suit themselves - but what about the converse?
My wife is a writer - her last book was short-listed for a major award, but had disappointing sales - she has earned about half minimum wage for her 9 months work.
However, there is a copy of her book on the torrent sites with enough seeders for me to think that her book is downloaded more than 20 times a week.
We know these most of these downloads are not lost sales; perhaps the downloader was poor, or didn't like the book.
But some of them will enjoy it, and some of them will be comfortably well off.
Those people who benefit from or enjoy my wife's book have a moral obligation to ensure that my wife is fairly compensated for it - otherwise they are exploiting her.
Will your party have a system in place to ensure that poor content creators are not exploited by rich content consumers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399102</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268050380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Killing copyright is not enough, because companies would just release binaries which would effectively be useless to the community. You need to enforce the release of the source code when binaries are released, which is the whole point of the GPL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killing copyright is not enough , because companies would just release binaries which would effectively be useless to the community .
You need to enforce the release of the source code when binaries are released , which is the whole point of the GPL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killing copyright is not enough, because companies would just release binaries which would effectively be useless to the community.
You need to enforce the release of the source code when binaries are released, which is the whole point of the GPL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398930</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31402506</id>
	<title>Prohibition 2.0/The War on Drugs</title>
	<author>Mashhaster</author>
	<datestamp>1268073360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are your feelings on the current UK drug policy?  Do you feel addiction should be treated as a disease or a criminal matter?  Do you feel it is time to legalize personal substance use, to stop fighting market forces with paramilitary forces, and to stop giving the Taliban access to a cash crop (poppy)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are your feelings on the current UK drug policy ?
Do you feel addiction should be treated as a disease or a criminal matter ?
Do you feel it is time to legalize personal substance use , to stop fighting market forces with paramilitary forces , and to stop giving the Taliban access to a cash crop ( poppy ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are your feelings on the current UK drug policy?
Do you feel addiction should be treated as a disease or a criminal matter?
Do you feel it is time to legalize personal substance use, to stop fighting market forces with paramilitary forces, and to stop giving the Taliban access to a cash crop (poppy)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399636</id>
	<title>Let's ask the important stuff!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268057340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pirates versus Ninjas...who'll win??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirates versus Ninjas...who 'll win ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirates versus Ninjas...who'll win?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400784</id>
	<title>My Q.</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1268064900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will you please stop calling yourselves pirates and a party?</p><p>Calling copyright infringement buys into your opponent's myth that sharing a song is just like shoplifting or ship-to-ship armed robbery and kidnapping.  It makes light of the murderous thugs from Somalia and what their victims have suffered.</p><p>If your group doesn't have a stance on abortion, gun control, taxation, environment vs. industry and all the other things actual parties address, call yourselves what you are; an advocacy group or special interest.  If your platform on those issues matches that of an existing party, then join your efforts with them instead of siphoning their efforts.  Being a non-party is fine.  You can champion your cause without being a party.  Single issue parties are notorious for messing up elections and generally being useless.  There's no need or advantage to being a party.</p><p>All that said, please keep up the good work of helping the world get real about copyright.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/won't be reading replies</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will you please stop calling yourselves pirates and a party ? Calling copyright infringement buys into your opponent 's myth that sharing a song is just like shoplifting or ship-to-ship armed robbery and kidnapping .
It makes light of the murderous thugs from Somalia and what their victims have suffered.If your group does n't have a stance on abortion , gun control , taxation , environment vs. industry and all the other things actual parties address , call yourselves what you are ; an advocacy group or special interest .
If your platform on those issues matches that of an existing party , then join your efforts with them instead of siphoning their efforts .
Being a non-party is fine .
You can champion your cause without being a party .
Single issue parties are notorious for messing up elections and generally being useless .
There 's no need or advantage to being a party.All that said , please keep up the good work of helping the world get real about copyright .
/wo n't be reading replies</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will you please stop calling yourselves pirates and a party?Calling copyright infringement buys into your opponent's myth that sharing a song is just like shoplifting or ship-to-ship armed robbery and kidnapping.
It makes light of the murderous thugs from Somalia and what their victims have suffered.If your group doesn't have a stance on abortion, gun control, taxation, environment vs. industry and all the other things actual parties address, call yourselves what you are; an advocacy group or special interest.
If your platform on those issues matches that of an existing party, then join your efforts with them instead of siphoning their efforts.
Being a non-party is fine.
You can champion your cause without being a party.
Single issue parties are notorious for messing up elections and generally being useless.
There's no need or advantage to being a party.All that said, please keep up the good work of helping the world get real about copyright.
/won't be reading replies</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399378</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1268054400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>making a mix tape is entirely ethical and should be legal</i></p><p>Indeed, take for example UK artist Lily Allen - she believes that people who download are thieves, and was a vocal support of UK plans to disconnect people suspected of downloading. But even she seems to think it's fine to distribute mix tapes, on her record company's website, using other artists' material, in order to promote her own commercial material...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>making a mix tape is entirely ethical and should be legalIndeed , take for example UK artist Lily Allen - she believes that people who download are thieves , and was a vocal support of UK plans to disconnect people suspected of downloading .
But even she seems to think it 's fine to distribute mix tapes , on her record company 's website , using other artists ' material , in order to promote her own commercial material.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>making a mix tape is entirely ethical and should be legalIndeed, take for example UK artist Lily Allen - she believes that people who download are thieves, and was a vocal support of UK plans to disconnect people suspected of downloading.
But even she seems to think it's fine to distribute mix tapes, on her record company's website, using other artists' material, in order to promote her own commercial material...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401492</id>
	<title>Artifical Digital Scarcity Vs Digital "Pirate"</title>
	<author>FriendlyLurker</author>
	<datestamp>1268068500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "Pirate" in The Pirate Party's name implies the duplication of digital information. One side of the "Pirate" argument, mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music\_industry#Music\_industry\_organizations" title="wikipedia.org">Music Industry</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion\_Picture\_Association" title="wikipedia.org">Motion Picture Associations</a> [wikipedia.org], believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial\_scarcity" title="wikipedia.org">Artificial Scarcity</a> [wikipedia.org] into the digital medium via treaties such as <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?option=com\_tags&amp;task=view&amp;tag=acta&amp;Itemid=408" title="michaelgeist.ca">ACTA</a> [michaelgeist.ca]. In other words, they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed\_cost" title="wikipedia.org">fixed cost</a> [wikipedia.org], just like any physical good for sale.  On the other side of the debate we have the "Pirates" who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarce\_good" title="wikipedia.org">scarce good</a> [wikipedia.org], that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital\_distribution" title="wikipedia.org">digital distribution</a> [wikipedia.org] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone.
</p><p>How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " Pirate " in The Pirate Party 's name implies the duplication of digital information .
One side of the " Pirate " argument , mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the Music Industry [ wikipedia.org ] and Motion Picture Associations [ wikipedia.org ] , believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing Artificial Scarcity [ wikipedia.org ] into the digital medium via treaties such as ACTA [ michaelgeist.ca ] .
In other words , they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for fixed cost [ wikipedia.org ] , just like any physical good for sale .
On the other side of the debate we have the " Pirates " who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a scarce good [ wikipedia.org ] , that digital distribution [ wikipedia.org ] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone .
How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "Pirate" in The Pirate Party's name implies the duplication of digital information.
One side of the "Pirate" argument, mostly being represented by large digital distributors such as the Music Industry [wikipedia.org] and Motion Picture Associations [wikipedia.org], believe that our society needs strong legislation enforcing Artificial Scarcity [wikipedia.org] into the digital medium via treaties such as ACTA [michaelgeist.ca].
In other words, they appear to hold the view that only certain rights holders should have exclusive legal right to make and sell unlimited digital copies for fixed cost [wikipedia.org], just like any physical good for sale.
On the other side of the debate we have the "Pirates" who appear to hold the view that digital information should not be treated as a scarce good [wikipedia.org], that digital distribution [wikipedia.org] is just a natural property of any digital medium and should be available to everyone.
How does the Pirate Party intend to allow those wishing to distribute original creative digital works to make a profit without legislating artificial scarcity into the digital medium?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398996</id>
	<title>Diluting possible change</title>
	<author>TDyl</author>
	<datestamp>1268048700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given that we have issues of such national and international importance do you not feel that another party, campaigning on such a narrow platform will only dilute the real change that is needed which is the ousting of labour and the restoration of faith in the institution of parliament and the fact that it should be working for the whole population of the UK and not the vested interests of politicians?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that we have issues of such national and international importance do you not feel that another party , campaigning on such a narrow platform will only dilute the real change that is needed which is the ousting of labour and the restoration of faith in the institution of parliament and the fact that it should be working for the whole population of the UK and not the vested interests of politicians ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that we have issues of such national and international importance do you not feel that another party, campaigning on such a narrow platform will only dilute the real change that is needed which is the ousting of labour and the restoration of faith in the institution of parliament and the fact that it should be working for the whole population of the UK and not the vested interests of politicians?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399120</id>
	<title>Monster Raving Loony Party</title>
	<author>GuyFawkes</author>
	<datestamp>1268050680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(for the yanks, it was and is a genuine political party)</p><p>Knew all the old crew (Sutch, Hope, et al) well, great social events and parties, no hope of ever actually winning, just thumbing your nose at the system.</p><p>Why is the UK Pirate party any different, apart from the lack of great social events and satirical candidate names? Oh, and the lack of any other decent policies to counter the insanity worked by the likes of Harman etc.</p><p>Whereas a vote for the BNP (British National Party, often called British Nazi Party) really would be a protest vote, as more than a handful of seats might actually go to them, and NOTHING would shock british politics more than a notable proportion of the population electing wannabe Hitlers to the House of Commons.</p><p>This is not a troll, this is a serious question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( for the yanks , it was and is a genuine political party ) Knew all the old crew ( Sutch , Hope , et al ) well , great social events and parties , no hope of ever actually winning , just thumbing your nose at the system.Why is the UK Pirate party any different , apart from the lack of great social events and satirical candidate names ?
Oh , and the lack of any other decent policies to counter the insanity worked by the likes of Harman etc.Whereas a vote for the BNP ( British National Party , often called British Nazi Party ) really would be a protest vote , as more than a handful of seats might actually go to them , and NOTHING would shock british politics more than a notable proportion of the population electing wannabe Hitlers to the House of Commons.This is not a troll , this is a serious question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(for the yanks, it was and is a genuine political party)Knew all the old crew (Sutch, Hope, et al) well, great social events and parties, no hope of ever actually winning, just thumbing your nose at the system.Why is the UK Pirate party any different, apart from the lack of great social events and satirical candidate names?
Oh, and the lack of any other decent policies to counter the insanity worked by the likes of Harman etc.Whereas a vote for the BNP (British National Party, often called British Nazi Party) really would be a protest vote, as more than a handful of seats might actually go to them, and NOTHING would shock british politics more than a notable proportion of the population electing wannabe Hitlers to the House of Commons.This is not a troll, this is a serious question.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399694</id>
	<title>Re:Bring in a 3 strikes law</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1268057940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be Lord Mandelson<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... not an MP, not elected, not prime minister.. and so cannot single handedly do anything without the consent of his colleagues<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be Lord Mandelson ... not an MP , not elected , not prime minister.. and so can not single handedly do anything without the consent of his colleagues .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be Lord Mandelson ... not an MP, not elected, not prime minister.. and so cannot single handedly do anything without the consent of his colleagues ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398938</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399680</id>
	<title>Re:Diluting possible change</title>
	<author>Toy G</author>
	<datestamp>1268057820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice little bit of Tory propaganda there. I doubt "ousting Labour" would magically solve all problems with the UK parliamentary system... especially if it means voting in the British equivalent of George W. Bush's "compassionate conservatism", a bunch of aristocrats bankrolled by a millionaire living abroad (i.e. the Tories).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice little bit of Tory propaganda there .
I doubt " ousting Labour " would magically solve all problems with the UK parliamentary system... especially if it means voting in the British equivalent of George W. Bush 's " compassionate conservatism " , a bunch of aristocrats bankrolled by a millionaire living abroad ( i.e .
the Tories ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice little bit of Tory propaganda there.
I doubt "ousting Labour" would magically solve all problems with the UK parliamentary system... especially if it means voting in the British equivalent of George W. Bush's "compassionate conservatism", a bunch of aristocrats bankrolled by a millionaire living abroad (i.e.
the Tories).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399526</id>
	<title>Re:Monster Raving Loony Party</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1268055960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is the UK Pirate party any different, apart from the lack of great social events and satirical candidate names?</p></div><p>Because we have some actual principles? If you believe in IP reform, greater individual privacy &amp; more freedom of speech, we're the only party to vote for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the UK Pirate party any different , apart from the lack of great social events and satirical candidate names ? Because we have some actual principles ?
If you believe in IP reform , greater individual privacy &amp; more freedom of speech , we 're the only party to vote for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the UK Pirate party any different, apart from the lack of great social events and satirical candidate names?Because we have some actual principles?
If you believe in IP reform, greater individual privacy &amp; more freedom of speech, we're the only party to vote for.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399120</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400028</id>
	<title>Voting for the BNP is an extremist vote</title>
	<author>fantomas</author>
	<datestamp>1268060040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Voting for the BNP is not a "protest vote" - this is not a warm and cuddly hippy protest option like voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party.</p><p>Voting for the BNP is voting for an extremist party, a party that grew out of the National Front (look all these up on wikipedia) and until they were forced to change by European law this year had as part of their constitution a ban on people that weren't "white" from joining the party membership.</p><p>To my mind that's quite an extreme position for a party to take if it declares its goal to be getting political power, ruling over people of a variety of different ethnic groups. I think voting for the BNP is a dangerous way of expressing your protest at the current political system. The BNP is serious about some of its extreme politics, and is likely to get some seats and have real influence in UK politics if people start voting for them in the misguided belief that they are just offering up a protest to the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Voting for the BNP is not a " protest vote " - this is not a warm and cuddly hippy protest option like voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party.Voting for the BNP is voting for an extremist party , a party that grew out of the National Front ( look all these up on wikipedia ) and until they were forced to change by European law this year had as part of their constitution a ban on people that were n't " white " from joining the party membership.To my mind that 's quite an extreme position for a party to take if it declares its goal to be getting political power , ruling over people of a variety of different ethnic groups .
I think voting for the BNP is a dangerous way of expressing your protest at the current political system .
The BNP is serious about some of its extreme politics , and is likely to get some seats and have real influence in UK politics if people start voting for them in the misguided belief that they are just offering up a protest to the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Voting for the BNP is not a "protest vote" - this is not a warm and cuddly hippy protest option like voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party.Voting for the BNP is voting for an extremist party, a party that grew out of the National Front (look all these up on wikipedia) and until they were forced to change by European law this year had as part of their constitution a ban on people that weren't "white" from joining the party membership.To my mind that's quite an extreme position for a party to take if it declares its goal to be getting political power, ruling over people of a variety of different ethnic groups.
I think voting for the BNP is a dangerous way of expressing your protest at the current political system.
The BNP is serious about some of its extreme politics, and is likely to get some seats and have real influence in UK politics if people start voting for them in the misguided belief that they are just offering up a protest to the system.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1268065860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument, 1 year to write songs, 2 months and 10 000$ to rent a studio and record an album, I should only get paid 20$ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants?</p></div><p>Why am I supposed to give up a freedom to make sure your choice of business model remains profitable? Also: nowadays, the album is no longer the product. It is the advertisement. Concerts are the product, adjust your business model accordingly!</p></div>
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<tokenext>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument , 1 year to write songs , 2 months and 10 000 $ to rent a studio and record an album , I should only get paid 20 $ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants ? Why am I supposed to give up a freedom to make sure your choice of business model remains profitable ?
Also : nowadays , the album is no longer the product .
It is the advertisement .
Concerts are the product , adjust your business model accordingly !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument, 1 year to write songs, 2 months and 10 000$ to rent a studio and record an album, I should only get paid 20$ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants?Why am I supposed to give up a freedom to make sure your choice of business model remains profitable?
Also: nowadays, the album is no longer the product.
It is the advertisement.
Concerts are the product, adjust your business model accordingly!
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	<title>Re:Monster Raving Loony Party</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1268056980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Voting for the BNP / UKIP / any other far right / left party is not a protest, it's an extremely dangerous decision. They often have so few broad policies, or any agenda outside of their own little niche, that any power given to them would be detrimental to the rest of the country. I don't mean that only their supporters would benefit, but that anything they haven't considered or aren't up to speed on will stagnate and turn gangrenous under their rule.<br> <br>Could you imaging UKIP healthcare policy? How about fiscal planning and taxation? Oh, no, they only want us to be out of Europe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Voting for the BNP / UKIP / any other far right / left party is not a protest , it 's an extremely dangerous decision .
They often have so few broad policies , or any agenda outside of their own little niche , that any power given to them would be detrimental to the rest of the country .
I do n't mean that only their supporters would benefit , but that anything they have n't considered or are n't up to speed on will stagnate and turn gangrenous under their rule .
Could you imaging UKIP healthcare policy ?
How about fiscal planning and taxation ?
Oh , no , they only want us to be out of Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Voting for the BNP / UKIP / any other far right / left party is not a protest, it's an extremely dangerous decision.
They often have so few broad policies, or any agenda outside of their own little niche, that any power given to them would be detrimental to the rest of the country.
I don't mean that only their supporters would benefit, but that anything they haven't considered or aren't up to speed on will stagnate and turn gangrenous under their rule.
Could you imaging UKIP healthcare policy?
How about fiscal planning and taxation?
Oh, no, they only want us to be out of Europe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401572</id>
	<title>Re:The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268068920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Oh yes, because, demonstrably, the best MPs have been those who studied politics at university, went straight to work in "politics" and shortly after that became an MP.  MPs with real world experience should be encouraged.</p><p>Obviously, they're not expecting, hoping or even trying to run the country. That would be incredibly stupid. They, like the greens, just need a few seats so they can lobby, vote and introduce bills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yes , because , demonstrably , the best MPs have been those who studied politics at university , went straight to work in " politics " and shortly after that became an MP .
MPs with real world experience should be encouraged.Obviously , they 're not expecting , hoping or even trying to run the country .
That would be incredibly stupid .
They , like the greens , just need a few seats so they can lobby , vote and introduce bills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yes, because, demonstrably, the best MPs have been those who studied politics at university, went straight to work in "politics" and shortly after that became an MP.
MPs with real world experience should be encouraged.Obviously, they're not expecting, hoping or even trying to run the country.
That would be incredibly stupid.
They, like the greens, just need a few seats so they can lobby, vote and introduce bills.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399110</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1268050680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?</p></div><p>Ask for donations? It seemed to go OK for Radiohead, provided you don't use RIAA fantasy accounting to count every non-payer as a $20 loss. (I also know of one independent band who successfully financed their last several albums by getting fans to pay over the odds, in advance for "limited edition" CDs. It worked, because fans wanted to support the band).
</p><p>Get a day job and treat writing/making music as an enjoyable hobby? Accept that the technology that enables you to produce and distribute studio quality music or camera-ready publications for a fraction of the historical cost also has a downside? Heck, you might even make money from t-shirts and souvenir signed copies (sorry if you can't afford the trophy wife/husband and have to drive a car that can pass over speed humps).
</p><p>Free software seems to have a pretty workable business model but, admittedly, its harder to sell support and consultancy for "art" like a music album, a novel or even a game...
</p><p>Last time I looked, however, most of the Arts relied pretty heavily on subsidies (be it from Government or from private philanthropists). Why should music and literature be a cash cow?

</p><p>Meanwhile, the flipside of the problem is that the status quo - strong copyright - is also in danger of <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8536689.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">stifling the arts</a> [bbc.co.uk] (if artists can't take inspiration from earlier works without awakening copyright trolls, what then?) Current status in the UK, by the way, is that ripping a legally-bought CD to your own iPod <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8000876.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">is illegal</a> [bbc.co.uk] - although that is rarely, if ever enforced.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In a world with no copyright for " non commercial " distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites ? Ask for donations ?
It seemed to go OK for Radiohead , provided you do n't use RIAA fantasy accounting to count every non-payer as a $ 20 loss .
( I also know of one independent band who successfully financed their last several albums by getting fans to pay over the odds , in advance for " limited edition " CDs .
It worked , because fans wanted to support the band ) .
Get a day job and treat writing/making music as an enjoyable hobby ?
Accept that the technology that enables you to produce and distribute studio quality music or camera-ready publications for a fraction of the historical cost also has a downside ?
Heck , you might even make money from t-shirts and souvenir signed copies ( sorry if you ca n't afford the trophy wife/husband and have to drive a car that can pass over speed humps ) .
Free software seems to have a pretty workable business model but , admittedly , its harder to sell support and consultancy for " art " like a music album , a novel or even a game.. . Last time I looked , however , most of the Arts relied pretty heavily on subsidies ( be it from Government or from private philanthropists ) .
Why should music and literature be a cash cow ?
Meanwhile , the flipside of the problem is that the status quo - strong copyright - is also in danger of stifling the arts [ bbc.co.uk ] ( if artists ca n't take inspiration from earlier works without awakening copyright trolls , what then ?
) Current status in the UK , by the way , is that ripping a legally-bought CD to your own iPod is illegal [ bbc.co.uk ] - although that is rarely , if ever enforced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?Ask for donations?
It seemed to go OK for Radiohead, provided you don't use RIAA fantasy accounting to count every non-payer as a $20 loss.
(I also know of one independent band who successfully financed their last several albums by getting fans to pay over the odds, in advance for "limited edition" CDs.
It worked, because fans wanted to support the band).
Get a day job and treat writing/making music as an enjoyable hobby?
Accept that the technology that enables you to produce and distribute studio quality music or camera-ready publications for a fraction of the historical cost also has a downside?
Heck, you might even make money from t-shirts and souvenir signed copies (sorry if you can't afford the trophy wife/husband and have to drive a car that can pass over speed humps).
Free software seems to have a pretty workable business model but, admittedly, its harder to sell support and consultancy for "art" like a music album, a novel or even a game...
Last time I looked, however, most of the Arts relied pretty heavily on subsidies (be it from Government or from private philanthropists).
Why should music and literature be a cash cow?
Meanwhile, the flipside of the problem is that the status quo - strong copyright - is also in danger of stifling the arts [bbc.co.uk] (if artists can't take inspiration from earlier works without awakening copyright trolls, what then?
) Current status in the UK, by the way, is that ripping a legally-bought CD to your own iPod is illegal [bbc.co.uk] - although that is rarely, if ever enforced.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403474</id>
	<title>Re:Candidates</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1268077800000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you going to field a candidate in each constituency.</p></div><p>We have no where near enough money to do that.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Are you going to field a candidate in each constituency.We have no where near enough money to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you going to field a candidate in each constituency.We have no where near enough money to do that.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399306</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268053080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument, 1 year to write songs, 2 months and 10 000$ to rent a studio and record an album, I should only get paid 20$ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants?</p><p>The difference between music/movies/books and almost all other merchandise, is how easily it can be copied and distributed in an unlimited amount. In the case of a Car, the only thing copyrighted/trademarked is the design, because that is the only thing that can be copied an unlimited number of times for a small price. If I had made a car and you bought one, copied it several times and sold the copies, you would still have to spend money on buying materials, pay people to assemble the car, run commercials and the like. You would therefore have to charge a prize that would allow you to cover your costs, and I would be able to compete on a relatively equal basis.</p><p>If on the other hand you bought my CD, ripped it and sold it online, you would be able to charge much less than me, because you would not have to pay for musicians, studio time, advertisement, etc. etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument , 1 year to write songs , 2 months and 10 000 $ to rent a studio and record an album , I should only get paid 20 $ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants ? The difference between music/movies/books and almost all other merchandise , is how easily it can be copied and distributed in an unlimited amount .
In the case of a Car , the only thing copyrighted/trademarked is the design , because that is the only thing that can be copied an unlimited number of times for a small price .
If I had made a car and you bought one , copied it several times and sold the copies , you would still have to spend money on buying materials , pay people to assemble the car , run commercials and the like .
You would therefore have to charge a prize that would allow you to cover your costs , and I would be able to compete on a relatively equal basis.If on the other hand you bought my CD , ripped it and sold it online , you would be able to charge much less than me , because you would not have to pay for musicians , studio time , advertisement , etc .
etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument, 1 year to write songs, 2 months and 10 000$ to rent a studio and record an album, I should only get paid 20$ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants?The difference between music/movies/books and almost all other merchandise, is how easily it can be copied and distributed in an unlimited amount.
In the case of a Car, the only thing copyrighted/trademarked is the design, because that is the only thing that can be copied an unlimited number of times for a small price.
If I had made a car and you bought one, copied it several times and sold the copies, you would still have to spend money on buying materials, pay people to assemble the car, run commercials and the like.
You would therefore have to charge a prize that would allow you to cover your costs, and I would be able to compete on a relatively equal basis.If on the other hand you bought my CD, ripped it and sold it online, you would be able to charge much less than me, because you would not have to pay for musicians, studio time, advertisement, etc.
etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398898</id>
	<title>Money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268047680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a world with no copyright for " non commercial " distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399956</id>
	<title>It's not that I disagree with the policies as such</title>
	<author>ContractualObligatio</author>
	<datestamp>1268059440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Most of all, I'm hugely in favour of anyone voting for any party other than Conservative or Labour. The two party state approach we have in the UK is causing huge amounts of damage. Voter apathy is completely understandable - I didn't vote last time myself - but let's face it, apathy is never impressive. Vote if you can, there is a genuine opportunity to shake up the established, economy-and-freedom destroying order of things.</p><p>Second, I'm broadly in favour of the policies of the Pirate Party.</p><p>But third - if you vote Pirate Party, I would wonder if you're handling the whole process of being a grown adult particularly well.</p><p>The driving force behind the party seems to me to be selfishness. They seem to desire these freedoms not because of the bad things that happen, but what they get out of it. Primarily filesharing because you might get free music and movies, and surveillance and freedom of speech concerns because they directly support that primary goal - with the added benefit of giving you the appearance of some moral high ground.</p><p>Rendition, torture, police using CCTV footage for blackmail? All genuine problems. What's the kind of thing that worries the Pirate Party? Not getting their wi-fi access: <a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/feb/28/digital-economy-bill-will-kill-wifi-hotspots/" title="pirateparty.org.uk">http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/feb/28/digital-economy-bill-will-kill-wifi-hotspots/</a> [pirateparty.org.uk].</p><p>Nothing about financial reform, war or the economy. Nothing about the environment, taxes or the spending thereof. It might even just be people starting a political party as an egotistical exercise. I can't say I'm inspired. I know they have graphic designers and programmers as leaders, but wonder if they are employed on a work-for-hire basis. Nothing wrong with that - but it does mean that while you are a creative person, your income is not dependent on the actual creative industries, or even copyright law to a large extent. So their professed support for the creative industry is no more credible than their support for freedom of speech.</p><p>Still, copyright definitely needs to be severely reformed, and reducing it to 5 years is exactly the right degree to take reform to. And I'm definitely all for voting for smaller, even single-issue parties as a way of voting for something you believe in. Voting for the Green Party, for instance, is a vote that won't win but I can respect (in those constituencies where it has a chance - vote Green!). Voting Pirate Party however is self-interest plus silliness, at a once-in-a-generation opportunity to see the established duopoly hurting : temptingly fertile grounds for taking the piss down the pub.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of all , I 'm hugely in favour of anyone voting for any party other than Conservative or Labour .
The two party state approach we have in the UK is causing huge amounts of damage .
Voter apathy is completely understandable - I did n't vote last time myself - but let 's face it , apathy is never impressive .
Vote if you can , there is a genuine opportunity to shake up the established , economy-and-freedom destroying order of things.Second , I 'm broadly in favour of the policies of the Pirate Party.But third - if you vote Pirate Party , I would wonder if you 're handling the whole process of being a grown adult particularly well.The driving force behind the party seems to me to be selfishness .
They seem to desire these freedoms not because of the bad things that happen , but what they get out of it .
Primarily filesharing because you might get free music and movies , and surveillance and freedom of speech concerns because they directly support that primary goal - with the added benefit of giving you the appearance of some moral high ground.Rendition , torture , police using CCTV footage for blackmail ?
All genuine problems .
What 's the kind of thing that worries the Pirate Party ?
Not getting their wi-fi access : http : //www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/feb/28/digital-economy-bill-will-kill-wifi-hotspots/ [ pirateparty.org.uk ] .Nothing about financial reform , war or the economy .
Nothing about the environment , taxes or the spending thereof .
It might even just be people starting a political party as an egotistical exercise .
I ca n't say I 'm inspired .
I know they have graphic designers and programmers as leaders , but wonder if they are employed on a work-for-hire basis .
Nothing wrong with that - but it does mean that while you are a creative person , your income is not dependent on the actual creative industries , or even copyright law to a large extent .
So their professed support for the creative industry is no more credible than their support for freedom of speech.Still , copyright definitely needs to be severely reformed , and reducing it to 5 years is exactly the right degree to take reform to .
And I 'm definitely all for voting for smaller , even single-issue parties as a way of voting for something you believe in .
Voting for the Green Party , for instance , is a vote that wo n't win but I can respect ( in those constituencies where it has a chance - vote Green ! ) .
Voting Pirate Party however is self-interest plus silliness , at a once-in-a-generation opportunity to see the established duopoly hurting : temptingly fertile grounds for taking the piss down the pub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of all, I'm hugely in favour of anyone voting for any party other than Conservative or Labour.
The two party state approach we have in the UK is causing huge amounts of damage.
Voter apathy is completely understandable - I didn't vote last time myself - but let's face it, apathy is never impressive.
Vote if you can, there is a genuine opportunity to shake up the established, economy-and-freedom destroying order of things.Second, I'm broadly in favour of the policies of the Pirate Party.But third - if you vote Pirate Party, I would wonder if you're handling the whole process of being a grown adult particularly well.The driving force behind the party seems to me to be selfishness.
They seem to desire these freedoms not because of the bad things that happen, but what they get out of it.
Primarily filesharing because you might get free music and movies, and surveillance and freedom of speech concerns because they directly support that primary goal - with the added benefit of giving you the appearance of some moral high ground.Rendition, torture, police using CCTV footage for blackmail?
All genuine problems.
What's the kind of thing that worries the Pirate Party?
Not getting their wi-fi access: http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/feb/28/digital-economy-bill-will-kill-wifi-hotspots/ [pirateparty.org.uk].Nothing about financial reform, war or the economy.
Nothing about the environment, taxes or the spending thereof.
It might even just be people starting a political party as an egotistical exercise.
I can't say I'm inspired.
I know they have graphic designers and programmers as leaders, but wonder if they are employed on a work-for-hire basis.
Nothing wrong with that - but it does mean that while you are a creative person, your income is not dependent on the actual creative industries, or even copyright law to a large extent.
So their professed support for the creative industry is no more credible than their support for freedom of speech.Still, copyright definitely needs to be severely reformed, and reducing it to 5 years is exactly the right degree to take reform to.
And I'm definitely all for voting for smaller, even single-issue parties as a way of voting for something you believe in.
Voting for the Green Party, for instance, is a vote that won't win but I can respect (in those constituencies where it has a chance - vote Green!).
Voting Pirate Party however is self-interest plus silliness, at a once-in-a-generation opportunity to see the established duopoly hurting : temptingly fertile grounds for taking the piss down the pub.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399114</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1268050680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The levy system is not ideal, but it's the best thing we have. As far as I hear, Canada likes it.</p><p>Frankly, if I had to pay an extra $1 on a spindle of CDs or an extra $10 on an iPod and in exchange get the right to download whatever the hell media I want, I (as an American) would gladly take that option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The levy system is not ideal , but it 's the best thing we have .
As far as I hear , Canada likes it.Frankly , if I had to pay an extra $ 1 on a spindle of CDs or an extra $ 10 on an iPod and in exchange get the right to download whatever the hell media I want , I ( as an American ) would gladly take that option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The levy system is not ideal, but it's the best thing we have.
As far as I hear, Canada likes it.Frankly, if I had to pay an extra $1 on a spindle of CDs or an extra $10 on an iPod and in exchange get the right to download whatever the hell media I want, I (as an American) would gladly take that option.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400540</id>
	<title>Re:Diluting possible change</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1268063460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not fair and it's not the first time I've seen this sort of response on Slashdot, in fact, I've had the same response to an anti-Labour post I made in the past.</p><p>Please don't assume that people attacking Labour are pro-Tory, I would hope you were able to realise it is possible to hate Labour AND the Tories just as much as each other. It is this attitude of "you're either Tory, or you're Labour" that is precisely what is wrong with British politics today. People treat politics like a football match, they support red and the other guys must support blue or vice versa. There's an awful lot of parties out there- sure there's the Tories and Labour, but there are the Lib Dems, the Greens, The Pirate Party, The Liberal Party, and unfortunately the far right like UKIP and the BNP.</p><p>Hating Labour, does not equal liking Conservatives, please keep that in mind when responding to people in future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not fair and it 's not the first time I 've seen this sort of response on Slashdot , in fact , I 've had the same response to an anti-Labour post I made in the past.Please do n't assume that people attacking Labour are pro-Tory , I would hope you were able to realise it is possible to hate Labour AND the Tories just as much as each other .
It is this attitude of " you 're either Tory , or you 're Labour " that is precisely what is wrong with British politics today .
People treat politics like a football match , they support red and the other guys must support blue or vice versa .
There 's an awful lot of parties out there- sure there 's the Tories and Labour , but there are the Lib Dems , the Greens , The Pirate Party , The Liberal Party , and unfortunately the far right like UKIP and the BNP.Hating Labour , does not equal liking Conservatives , please keep that in mind when responding to people in future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not fair and it's not the first time I've seen this sort of response on Slashdot, in fact, I've had the same response to an anti-Labour post I made in the past.Please don't assume that people attacking Labour are pro-Tory, I would hope you were able to realise it is possible to hate Labour AND the Tories just as much as each other.
It is this attitude of "you're either Tory, or you're Labour" that is precisely what is wrong with British politics today.
People treat politics like a football match, they support red and the other guys must support blue or vice versa.
There's an awful lot of parties out there- sure there's the Tories and Labour, but there are the Lib Dems, the Greens, The Pirate Party, The Liberal Party, and unfortunately the far right like UKIP and the BNP.Hating Labour, does not equal liking Conservatives, please keep that in mind when responding to people in future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31402892</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1268075100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument, 1 year to write songs, 2 months and 10 000$ to rent a studio and record an album, I should only get paid 20$ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants?</i></p><p>Of course, if you spend several years to learn how to play music, you spend a year writing music, you spend months and money recording music and making copies to sell, you very well might only sell one CD to a reviewer who tells everyone that you suck, and not sell any more copies beyond that.</p><p>The mere fact that you invested in an enterprise does not entitle you to make a return on that investment, or to have laws set up which even permit you to make a return on that investment.</p><p>What you need to do is to convince other people why it is in their best interest to set up laws that at least permit you to turn a profit, provided that your product is any good. It isn't hard, but the burden falls on you. And of course, there's a whole range of possible laws to choose from. It could be that the public at large would feel that their needs are best served by copyright laws which give authors some incentive to create and publish, but not as much as other laws, while restricting the public, but not as much as other laws (e.g. allowing non-commercial copying, etc., but not the scenario you describe).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument , 1 year to write songs , 2 months and 10 000 $ to rent a studio and record an album , I should only get paid 20 $ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants ? Of course , if you spend several years to learn how to play music , you spend a year writing music , you spend months and money recording music and making copies to sell , you very well might only sell one CD to a reviewer who tells everyone that you suck , and not sell any more copies beyond that.The mere fact that you invested in an enterprise does not entitle you to make a return on that investment , or to have laws set up which even permit you to make a return on that investment.What you need to do is to convince other people why it is in their best interest to set up laws that at least permit you to turn a profit , provided that your product is any good .
It is n't hard , but the burden falls on you .
And of course , there 's a whole range of possible laws to choose from .
It could be that the public at large would feel that their needs are best served by copyright laws which give authors some incentive to create and publish , but not as much as other laws , while restricting the public , but not as much as other laws ( e.g .
allowing non-commercial copying , etc. , but not the scenario you describe ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I use 3-4 years to learn an instrument, 1 year to write songs, 2 months and 10 000$ to rent a studio and record an album, I should only get paid 20$ for one CD which the buyer then can copy and sell as many times as he wants?Of course, if you spend several years to learn how to play music, you spend a year writing music, you spend months and money recording music and making copies to sell, you very well might only sell one CD to a reviewer who tells everyone that you suck, and not sell any more copies beyond that.The mere fact that you invested in an enterprise does not entitle you to make a return on that investment, or to have laws set up which even permit you to make a return on that investment.What you need to do is to convince other people why it is in their best interest to set up laws that at least permit you to turn a profit, provided that your product is any good.
It isn't hard, but the burden falls on you.
And of course, there's a whole range of possible laws to choose from.
It could be that the public at large would feel that their needs are best served by copyright laws which give authors some incentive to create and publish, but not as much as other laws, while restricting the public, but not as much as other laws (e.g.
allowing non-commercial copying, etc., but not the scenario you describe).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31405732</id>
	<title>Re:The Rest of Your Views &amp; Stances</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268044620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>.It appears your background is [...] not politics.</p></div><p>To me, that's a point in favour.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.It appears your background is [ ... ] not politics.To me , that 's a point in favour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> .It appears your background is [...] not politics.To me, that's a point in favour.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399890</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1268059140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?</i> <br> <br>Even with copyright there is no guarentee that you will make money. At least in a "capitalist" economy. The other thing is that plenty of people "give away" plenty of stuff right now. Sometimes without expecting any financial reward, sometimes asking for donations, sometimes to encourage sales of something else (even the same content in a different form).</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a world with no copyright for " non commercial " distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites ?
Even with copyright there is no guarentee that you will make money .
At least in a " capitalist " economy .
The other thing is that plenty of people " give away " plenty of stuff right now .
Sometimes without expecting any financial reward , sometimes asking for donations , sometimes to encourage sales of something else ( even the same content in a different form ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?
Even with copyright there is no guarentee that you will make money.
At least in a "capitalist" economy.
The other thing is that plenty of people "give away" plenty of stuff right now.
Sometimes without expecting any financial reward, sometimes asking for donations, sometimes to encourage sales of something else (even the same content in a different form).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401788</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1268070060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bilski is a good example for you.</p><p>The "appropriator" sued the originator of the work, and the originator was able to use the copyright law to make a successful counterattack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bilski is a good example for you.The " appropriator " sued the originator of the work , and the originator was able to use the copyright law to make a successful counterattack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bilski is a good example for you.The "appropriator" sued the originator of the work, and the originator was able to use the copyright law to make a successful counterattack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31402256</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1268072400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Putting a levy on the sale of blank CDs and DVDs, <b>even for people who never intend to copy music/movies</b> is about the most <b>un-</b>American thing I can think of. The fact that the levy doesn't even <i>go</i> to the artists that people are copying is just icing on the un-American cake.</p><p>If they passed that, I think it would be time for a Boston CD-R Party.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Putting a levy on the sale of blank CDs and DVDs , even for people who never intend to copy music/movies is about the most un-American thing I can think of .
The fact that the levy does n't even go to the artists that people are copying is just icing on the un-American cake.If they passed that , I think it would be time for a Boston CD-R Party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Putting a levy on the sale of blank CDs and DVDs, even for people who never intend to copy music/movies is about the most un-American thing I can think of.
The fact that the levy doesn't even go to the artists that people are copying is just icing on the un-American cake.If they passed that, I think it would be time for a Boston CD-R Party.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31408360</id>
	<title>Re:Pirate Party of the United Kingdom</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1268056200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Are you going to attack French ships?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Any vessel flying frog colours is a viable target.</p><blockquote><div><p>Does the Queen pay a bounty?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Nay, tis the admiralty that pays the bounty.</p><blockquote><div><p>Will you leave American ships alone?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Run up the colo<b>ur</b>s men.</p><blockquote><div><p>Will you be in the Caribbean?</p></div></blockquote><p>

We be in many ports, depending on the winds.</p><blockquote><div><p>How much experience will you require to be a captain?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Assuming you are currently a midshipman and serving on a 40 gun frigate, at least 5 leftenants and 1 captain have to die before such a promotion becomes available. This differs based on ship size and crew complements.</p><blockquote><div><p>Is Jack Sparrow taken by any chance?</p></div></blockquote><p>

I understand he's be taken by many a boatswains mate before.</p><blockquote><div><p>How about Errol Flynn?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Same story as Jack, except with the gunners mate.</p><blockquote><div><p>Do you honestly think people will take you seriously?</p></div></blockquote><p>

When you're driving along the M25 and we fire a cannon ball into your car, would you take us seriously.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you going to attack French ships ?
Any vessel flying frog colours is a viable target.Does the Queen pay a bounty ?
Nay , t is the admiralty that pays the bounty.Will you leave American ships alone ?
Run up the colours men.Will you be in the Caribbean ?
We be in many ports , depending on the winds.How much experience will you require to be a captain ?
Assuming you are currently a midshipman and serving on a 40 gun frigate , at least 5 leftenants and 1 captain have to die before such a promotion becomes available .
This differs based on ship size and crew complements.Is Jack Sparrow taken by any chance ?
I understand he 's be taken by many a boatswains mate before.How about Errol Flynn ?
Same story as Jack , except with the gunners mate.Do you honestly think people will take you seriously ?
When you 're driving along the M25 and we fire a cannon ball into your car , would you take us seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you going to attack French ships?
Any vessel flying frog colours is a viable target.Does the Queen pay a bounty?
Nay, tis the admiralty that pays the bounty.Will you leave American ships alone?
Run up the colours men.Will you be in the Caribbean?
We be in many ports, depending on the winds.How much experience will you require to be a captain?
Assuming you are currently a midshipman and serving on a 40 gun frigate, at least 5 leftenants and 1 captain have to die before such a promotion becomes available.
This differs based on ship size and crew complements.Is Jack Sparrow taken by any chance?
I understand he's be taken by many a boatswains mate before.How about Errol Flynn?
Same story as Jack, except with the gunners mate.Do you honestly think people will take you seriously?
When you're driving along the M25 and we fire a cannon ball into your car, would you take us seriously.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400142</id>
	<title>Re:Is fielding candidates the best course?</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1268060820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is fielding candidates the best course, for a single issue group like yours?</p></div><p>As well as the PPUK there is a lobby group: <a href="http://www.openrightsgroup.org/" title="openrightsgroup.org">Open rights group</a> [openrightsgroup.org] &amp; a business coalition: <a href="http://www.coadec.com/" title="coadec.com">Coadec</a> [coadec.com]. To change policy we need to work through all these channels.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is fielding candidates the best course , for a single issue group like yours ? As well as the PPUK there is a lobby group : Open rights group [ openrightsgroup.org ] &amp; a business coalition : Coadec [ coadec.com ] .
To change policy we need to work through all these channels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is fielding candidates the best course, for a single issue group like yours?As well as the PPUK there is a lobby group: Open rights group [openrightsgroup.org] &amp; a business coalition: Coadec [coadec.com].
To change policy we need to work through all these channels.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399430</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>pv2b</author>
	<datestamp>1268055000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Free Software Foundation's goals isn't to oppose copyright <i>per se</i>, it is to promote <i>free software</i>.</p><p>Anything that weakens the GPL may well weaken free software - in the way that code from free software could be used to create more non-free software. Under the PPUK proposed reform, it's not like you can take components from five-year old Windows and copy-paste them into Linux, and still have the result be free software. Binary blobs aren't free software, even if they're in the public domain, since there's no source code. This is the same reason freeware isn't the same thing as free software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Free Software Foundation 's goals is n't to oppose copyright per se , it is to promote free software.Anything that weakens the GPL may well weaken free software - in the way that code from free software could be used to create more non-free software .
Under the PPUK proposed reform , it 's not like you can take components from five-year old Windows and copy-paste them into Linux , and still have the result be free software .
Binary blobs are n't free software , even if they 're in the public domain , since there 's no source code .
This is the same reason freeware is n't the same thing as free software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Free Software Foundation's goals isn't to oppose copyright per se, it is to promote free software.Anything that weakens the GPL may well weaken free software - in the way that code from free software could be used to create more non-free software.
Under the PPUK proposed reform, it's not like you can take components from five-year old Windows and copy-paste them into Linux, and still have the result be free software.
Binary blobs aren't free software, even if they're in the public domain, since there's no source code.
This is the same reason freeware isn't the same thing as free software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399002</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1268048880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do artists get to control their creation after they sell it?  Manufacturers don't.  Crafts makers don't.  If I sell you a car I can't tell you how fast to drive it, where to drive it, or what brand of oil you can use for oil changes.  Just because something is "artistic" or "creative" (a property that is ill defined and could apply to anything) should not give you special rights.  You made something, you sold it, they can now do whatever they want with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do artists get to control their creation after they sell it ?
Manufacturers do n't .
Crafts makers do n't .
If I sell you a car I ca n't tell you how fast to drive it , where to drive it , or what brand of oil you can use for oil changes .
Just because something is " artistic " or " creative " ( a property that is ill defined and could apply to anything ) should not give you special rights .
You made something , you sold it , they can now do whatever they want with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do artists get to control their creation after they sell it?
Manufacturers don't.
Crafts makers don't.
If I sell you a car I can't tell you how fast to drive it, where to drive it, or what brand of oil you can use for oil changes.
Just because something is "artistic" or "creative" (a property that is ill defined and could apply to anything) should not give you special rights.
You made something, you sold it, they can now do whatever they want with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399880</id>
	<title>Re:Forcing authors to lose rights over work</title>
	<author>bws111</author>
	<datestamp>1268059080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is nonsense.  The GPL exists to keep open source open.  Without copyright, that is not possible.  Without copyright, I could take your source code, make my changes to it, stick that source code in a vault, just release the binaries, and there is nothing you can do about it.  Or do you think that without copyright all source code just magically appears?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nonsense .
The GPL exists to keep open source open .
Without copyright , that is not possible .
Without copyright , I could take your source code , make my changes to it , stick that source code in a vault , just release the binaries , and there is nothing you can do about it .
Or do you think that without copyright all source code just magically appears ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nonsense.
The GPL exists to keep open source open.
Without copyright, that is not possible.
Without copyright, I could take your source code, make my changes to it, stick that source code in a vault, just release the binaries, and there is nothing you can do about it.
Or do you think that without copyright all source code just magically appears?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399226</id>
	<title>Typo</title>
	<author>Curmudgeonlyoldbloke</author>
	<datestamp>1268052060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Fielding candidates" not "Fielding elections".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Fielding candidates " not " Fielding elections " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Fielding candidates" not "Fielding elections".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31401422</id>
	<title>Re:PPAU apathy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268068260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Advice here from the PP-fr : the PP is an internet-based movement. Compared to a physical world movement it means that it will be easier to hear from friendly people but also that the proportion of friendly people you heard from that are actually enthusiastic enough to spend time helping/work for you is quite small. If you need to gather 20 people, better have 1000 people in your network as opposed to the 50/60 you would require in the physical-world case.<br> <br>
I can't say for sure this is your case but don't misunderstand that phenomenon for apathy. It is quite natural and quite positive but can give wrong expectations in terms of active membership.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Advice here from the PP-fr : the PP is an internet-based movement .
Compared to a physical world movement it means that it will be easier to hear from friendly people but also that the proportion of friendly people you heard from that are actually enthusiastic enough to spend time helping/work for you is quite small .
If you need to gather 20 people , better have 1000 people in your network as opposed to the 50/60 you would require in the physical-world case .
I ca n't say for sure this is your case but do n't misunderstand that phenomenon for apathy .
It is quite natural and quite positive but can give wrong expectations in terms of active membership .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Advice here from the PP-fr : the PP is an internet-based movement.
Compared to a physical world movement it means that it will be easier to hear from friendly people but also that the proportion of friendly people you heard from that are actually enthusiastic enough to spend time helping/work for you is quite small.
If you need to gather 20 people, better have 1000 people in your network as opposed to the 50/60 you would require in the physical-world case.
I can't say for sure this is your case but don't misunderstand that phenomenon for apathy.
It is quite natural and quite positive but can give wrong expectations in terms of active membership.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399610</id>
	<title>Pirate Party of the United Kingdom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268057040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My questions:</p><ol> <li>Are you going to attack French ships?</li><li>Does the Queen pay a bounty?</li><li>Will you leave American ships alone?</li><li>Will you be in the Caribbean?</li><li> How much experience will you require to be a captain?</li> <li>Is Jack Sparrow taken by any chance?</li><li>How about Errol Flynn?</li><li>Do you honestly think people will take you seriously?</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>My questions : Are you going to attack French ships ? Does the Queen pay a bounty ? Will you leave American ships alone ? Will you be in the Caribbean ?
How much experience will you require to be a captain ?
Is Jack Sparrow taken by any chance ? How about Errol Flynn ? Do you honestly think people will take you seriously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My questions: Are you going to attack French ships?Does the Queen pay a bounty?Will you leave American ships alone?Will you be in the Caribbean?
How much experience will you require to be a captain?
Is Jack Sparrow taken by any chance?How about Errol Flynn?Do you honestly think people will take you seriously?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399656</id>
	<title>Appeal to younger voters</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1268057580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Younger voters have much more experience in average with new technologies including the Internet. Also, at the moment, they vote in lower numbers - possibly because of disapointment with traditional parties. Finally, many have a lot of experience in casually copying digitally stored data be it copyrighted or not.</p><p>While making up only 12\% percent of the UK populations (18-20 and 20-25 age groups as per the 2001 census), they seem to be a natural constituency for the UK Pirate Party (beyond it's core of IP law-aware technology savy people) and do form a significant minority.</p><p>What is the UK Pirate Party doing to engage those potential voters?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Younger voters have much more experience in average with new technologies including the Internet .
Also , at the moment , they vote in lower numbers - possibly because of disapointment with traditional parties .
Finally , many have a lot of experience in casually copying digitally stored data be it copyrighted or not.While making up only 12 \ % percent of the UK populations ( 18-20 and 20-25 age groups as per the 2001 census ) , they seem to be a natural constituency for the UK Pirate Party ( beyond it 's core of IP law-aware technology savy people ) and do form a significant minority.What is the UK Pirate Party doing to engage those potential voters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Younger voters have much more experience in average with new technologies including the Internet.
Also, at the moment, they vote in lower numbers - possibly because of disapointment with traditional parties.
Finally, many have a lot of experience in casually copying digitally stored data be it copyrighted or not.While making up only 12\% percent of the UK populations (18-20 and 20-25 age groups as per the 2001 census), they seem to be a natural constituency for the UK Pirate Party (beyond it's core of IP law-aware technology savy people) and do form a significant minority.What is the UK Pirate Party doing to engage those potential voters?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31398938</id>
	<title>Bring in a 3 strikes law</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1268048100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times they're jailed and banned from ever entering politics again so that the likes of Mandelson would never have got to a position where he could single-handedly manipulate the Digital Economy Bill in the first place?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they 've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times they 're jailed and banned from ever entering politics again so that the likes of Mandelson would never have got to a position where he could single-handedly manipulate the Digital Economy Bill in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we have a 3 strikes for politicians so that when they've been caught with red handed with their hand in the checkout 3 times they're jailed and banned from ever entering politics again so that the likes of Mandelson would never have got to a position where he could single-handedly manipulate the Digital Economy Bill in the first place?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31400512</id>
	<title>Re:Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1268063220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No! surely not!</p><p>schools hospitals blah blah not much difference whoever you  vote in.</p><p>But for the future of society we need someone, even just one mp from the ppuk, to stand up  and question policies and laws that threaten our freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No !
surely not ! schools hospitals blah blah not much difference whoever you vote in.But for the future of society we need someone , even just one mp from the ppuk , to stand up and question policies and laws that threaten our freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No!
surely not!schools hospitals blah blah not much difference whoever you  vote in.But for the future of society we need someone, even just one mp from the ppuk, to stand up  and question policies and laws that threaten our freedom.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399600</id>
	<title>Open Source</title>
	<author>Elektroschock</author>
	<datestamp>1268056980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What role for open source policies in the public sector, vendor neutrality and open standards?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What role for open source policies in the public sector , vendor neutrality and open standards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What role for open source policies in the public sector, vendor neutrality and open standards?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31403164</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1268076420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?</i></p><p>But wait, we already have non-subscription fee-based computer games and e-books that are freely available on file sharing sites. That world you mention was Earth all along! You maniacs!</p><p>Really though, the trick is 1) making commercial resellers more attractive than their non-commercial competitors; 2) keeping a very close eye on the non-commercial sites, which presumably couldn't have ads, couldn't solicit donations, couldn't have upload/download ratios, etc.; 3) if all else fails, making different kinds of works or accepting that there will be less money flowing in. No one ever said that certain art forms would be permanently viable. Vaudeville should teach us that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a world with no copyright for " non commercial " distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites ? But wait , we already have non-subscription fee-based computer games and e-books that are freely available on file sharing sites .
That world you mention was Earth all along !
You maniacs ! Really though , the trick is 1 ) making commercial resellers more attractive than their non-commercial competitors ; 2 ) keeping a very close eye on the non-commercial sites , which presumably could n't have ads , could n't solicit donations , could n't have upload/download ratios , etc .
; 3 ) if all else fails , making different kinds of works or accepting that there will be less money flowing in .
No one ever said that certain art forms would be permanently viable .
Vaudeville should teach us that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a world with no copyright for "non commercial" distribution of work how is anyone who creates a non subscription fee based computer game or e-book supposed to make money given that the work will be freely available on file sharing sites?But wait, we already have non-subscription fee-based computer games and e-books that are freely available on file sharing sites.
That world you mention was Earth all along!
You maniacs!Really though, the trick is 1) making commercial resellers more attractive than their non-commercial competitors; 2) keeping a very close eye on the non-commercial sites, which presumably couldn't have ads, couldn't solicit donations, couldn't have upload/download ratios, etc.
; 3) if all else fails, making different kinds of works or accepting that there will be less money flowing in.
No one ever said that certain art forms would be permanently viable.
Vaudeville should teach us that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_07_1921249.31399682</id>
	<title>Re:Money</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1268057820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By the same logic that mime artist who performs on the high street has a right to be paid by everyone who sees his act<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...You have two options<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; hire a venue, charge people to watch your act, and hope they come...<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; perform in public, and hope they pay...</p><p>Published works should be the same : give me something physical and hope I am willing to pay for it,  or give it away and ask for payment if they like it...</p><p>The current copyright system works on the principle of selling something that people are forced to pay for when they don't need to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the same logic that mime artist who performs on the high street has a right to be paid by everyone who sees his act .... ...You have two options       hire a venue , charge people to watch your act , and hope they come.. .       perform in public , and hope they pay...Published works should be the same : give me something physical and hope I am willing to pay for it , or give it away and ask for payment if they like it...The current copyright system works on the principle of selling something that people are forced to pay for when they do n't need to .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By the same logic that mime artist who performs on the high street has a right to be paid by everyone who sees his act .... ...You have two options
      hire a venue, charge people to watch your act, and hope they come...
      perform in public, and hope they pay...Published works should be the same : give me something physical and hope I am willing to pay for it,  or give it away and ask for payment if they like it...The current copyright system works on the principle of selling something that people are forced to pay for when they don't need to ...</sentencetext>
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