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	<title>Using Classical Music As a Form of Social Control</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1267727640000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>cyberfringe writes <i>"Classical music is being used increasingly in Great Britain as a tool for social control and a deterrent to bad behavior. One school district subjects badly behaving children to hours of Mozart in special detention. Unsurprisingly, some of these youth now find classical music unbearable. Recorded <a href="http://www.sott.net/articles/show/203685-Weaponizing-Mozart-How-Britain-is-using-classical-music-as-a-form-of-social-control">classical music is blared through speakers</a> at bus stops, outside stores, train stations and elsewhere to drive away loitering youth. Apparently it works.  Detentions are down, graffiti is reduced, and naughty youth flee because they find classical music repugnant."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>cyberfringe writes " Classical music is being used increasingly in Great Britain as a tool for social control and a deterrent to bad behavior .
One school district subjects badly behaving children to hours of Mozart in special detention .
Unsurprisingly , some of these youth now find classical music unbearable .
Recorded classical music is blared through speakers at bus stops , outside stores , train stations and elsewhere to drive away loitering youth .
Apparently it works .
Detentions are down , graffiti is reduced , and naughty youth flee because they find classical music repugnant .
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<sentencetext>cyberfringe writes "Classical music is being used increasingly in Great Britain as a tool for social control and a deterrent to bad behavior.
One school district subjects badly behaving children to hours of Mozart in special detention.
Unsurprisingly, some of these youth now find classical music unbearable.
Recorded classical music is blared through speakers at bus stops, outside stores, train stations and elsewhere to drive away loitering youth.
Apparently it works.
Detentions are down, graffiti is reduced, and naughty youth flee because they find classical music repugnant.
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267696020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They have been at War for over a decade now, Sir - the state can also use any music it pleases for the purposes of noise terrorism, as long as it dont contain "repetive beats", of course:</p><p>"..at which amplified music ('wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats'.."</p><p>(Criminal Justice Bill, 1994)</p><p>***</p><p>So many people can't express what's on their minds<br>Nobody knows them, nobody ever will<br>Until their backs are broken, their dreams are stolen<br>And they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry!<br>Well it ain't written in the papers but its written on the walls<br>The way this country is divided to fall<br>So the cranes are moving on the skyline<br>Trying to knock down this town<br>But the stains on the heartland can never be removed<br>from this country that's sick, sad and confused</p><p>(The The, Heartland)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have been at War for over a decade now , Sir - the state can also use any music it pleases for the purposes of noise terrorism , as long as it dont contain " repetive beats " , of course : " ..at which amplified music ( 'wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats'.. " ( Criminal Justice Bill , 1994 ) * * * So many people ca n't express what 's on their mindsNobody knows them , nobody ever willUntil their backs are broken , their dreams are stolenAnd they ca n't get what they want , then they 're gon na get angry ! Well it ai n't written in the papers but its written on the wallsThe way this country is divided to fallSo the cranes are moving on the skylineTrying to knock down this townBut the stains on the heartland can never be removedfrom this country that 's sick , sad and confused ( The The , Heartland )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have been at War for over a decade now, Sir - the state can also use any music it pleases for the purposes of noise terrorism, as long as it dont contain "repetive beats", of course:"..at which amplified music ('wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats'.."(Criminal Justice Bill, 1994)***So many people can't express what's on their mindsNobody knows them, nobody ever willUntil their backs are broken, their dreams are stolenAnd they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry!Well it ain't written in the papers but its written on the wallsThe way this country is divided to fallSo the cranes are moving on the skylineTrying to knock down this townBut the stains on the heartland can never be removedfrom this country that's sick, sad and confused(The The, Heartland)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267734360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Teenagers don't have legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops?</p><p>I can't figure out why kids would prefer to hang out at some bus stop or a train station when they could be hanging out somewhere cooler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Teenagers do n't have legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops ? I ca n't figure out why kids would prefer to hang out at some bus stop or a train station when they could be hanging out somewhere cooler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Teenagers don't have legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops?I can't figure out why kids would prefer to hang out at some bus stop or a train station when they could be hanging out somewhere cooler.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267719900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You see, the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves, according to English law, they would be attacking/harassing minors.</i></p><p>Yeah. Duh. That's why free people jealously guard Freedom Zero: the right to life, which implies the right to self defense using deadly force. UK is not a free country, (neither freedom zero nor freedom one, which is free speech) yet can't bring itself to be quite authoritarian enough to enjoy the low-crime benefits of fascism. It's the worst of both worlds. Good luck over there! My system here in America is certainly flawed, but not so flawed as in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You see , the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves , according to English law , they would be attacking/harassing minors.Yeah .
Duh. That 's why free people jealously guard Freedom Zero : the right to life , which implies the right to self defense using deadly force .
UK is not a free country , ( neither freedom zero nor freedom one , which is free speech ) yet ca n't bring itself to be quite authoritarian enough to enjoy the low-crime benefits of fascism .
It 's the worst of both worlds .
Good luck over there !
My system here in America is certainly flawed , but not so flawed as in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see, the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves, according to English law, they would be attacking/harassing minors.Yeah.
Duh. That's why free people jealously guard Freedom Zero: the right to life, which implies the right to self defense using deadly force.
UK is not a free country, (neither freedom zero nor freedom one, which is free speech) yet can't bring itself to be quite authoritarian enough to enjoy the low-crime benefits of fascism.
It's the worst of both worlds.
Good luck over there!
My system here in America is certainly flawed, but not so flawed as in the UK.</sentencetext>
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	<title>We know exactly how he wanted his music to sound.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267788600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>We have the written music and we know how the instruments of the era were, including how loud they could be (not much, and orchestras were small, many of Mozart's symphonies can be perfectly serviced by chamber orchestras with the addition of a few wind instruments and a percusionist).</p><p>Of course there is such a thing as interpretation, which makes every performance slightly different, but in general terms how Mozart's music should sound is very uncontroversial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have the written music and we know how the instruments of the era were , including how loud they could be ( not much , and orchestras were small , many of Mozart 's symphonies can be perfectly serviced by chamber orchestras with the addition of a few wind instruments and a percusionist ) .Of course there is such a thing as interpretation , which makes every performance slightly different , but in general terms how Mozart 's music should sound is very uncontroversial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have the written music and we know how the instruments of the era were, including how loud they could be (not much, and orchestras were small, many of Mozart's symphonies can be perfectly serviced by chamber orchestras with the addition of a few wind instruments and a percusionist).Of course there is such a thing as interpretation, which makes every performance slightly different, but in general terms how Mozart's music should sound is very uncontroversial.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Sleep aid</title>
	<author>Walt Sellers</author>
	<datestamp>1267724160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh,  I can confess to using classical music as a sleep-aid occasionally.</p><p>For your maximum laugh at my expense,  I offer the story of taking my wife to an Christmas performance of our local orchestra.  The music was so soothing I did fall asleep.  The moment I snored, she promptly woke me with a well-applied backhand to the shoulder.  I awoke the sound of snickers around me.  I guess they knew what "snore-whack"  meant.</p><p>I'm definitely not any kind of high-minded music person.  I was introduced to some of the better aspects of it by a college roommate who was studying music and I began to appreciate the difficulty and hard work of making good music with so many people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , I can confess to using classical music as a sleep-aid occasionally.For your maximum laugh at my expense , I offer the story of taking my wife to an Christmas performance of our local orchestra .
The music was so soothing I did fall asleep .
The moment I snored , she promptly woke me with a well-applied backhand to the shoulder .
I awoke the sound of snickers around me .
I guess they knew what " snore-whack " meant.I 'm definitely not any kind of high-minded music person .
I was introduced to some of the better aspects of it by a college roommate who was studying music and I began to appreciate the difficulty and hard work of making good music with so many people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh,  I can confess to using classical music as a sleep-aid occasionally.For your maximum laugh at my expense,  I offer the story of taking my wife to an Christmas performance of our local orchestra.
The music was so soothing I did fall asleep.
The moment I snored, she promptly woke me with a well-applied backhand to the shoulder.
I awoke the sound of snickers around me.
I guess they knew what "snore-whack"  meant.I'm definitely not any kind of high-minded music person.
I was introduced to some of the better aspects of it by a college roommate who was studying music and I began to appreciate the difficulty and hard work of making good music with so many people.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Why waste time getting trouble-makers to hate it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267723500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not just play music that everyone already hates...like Celine Dion!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just play music that everyone already hates...like Celine Dion !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just play music that everyone already hates...like Celine Dion!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267715760000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There were several marketing studies in the US that showed that stores that played classical music had higher sales than others. First, they determined that playing music at low volume increased sales over silence (people were more willing to casually browse until they found something to buy). Second, they determined that playing classical music had the greatest impact on sales. The theory was (possibly confirmed by further studies, but I don't know) that few people find classical music offensive (even if they don't care for it). <br>
I suspect that playing classical music reduces crime for similar reasons that keeping an area clean (clean up the litter, tow away abandoned cars, etc) and in good repair does, it makes the atmosphere of the area/location into one where a person who has nefarious goals feel out of place (actually, there is no solid explanation for why it works, but it has been shown repeatedly that keeping an area clean and in good repair reduces crime).</htmltext>
<tokenext>There were several marketing studies in the US that showed that stores that played classical music had higher sales than others .
First , they determined that playing music at low volume increased sales over silence ( people were more willing to casually browse until they found something to buy ) .
Second , they determined that playing classical music had the greatest impact on sales .
The theory was ( possibly confirmed by further studies , but I do n't know ) that few people find classical music offensive ( even if they do n't care for it ) .
I suspect that playing classical music reduces crime for similar reasons that keeping an area clean ( clean up the litter , tow away abandoned cars , etc ) and in good repair does , it makes the atmosphere of the area/location into one where a person who has nefarious goals feel out of place ( actually , there is no solid explanation for why it works , but it has been shown repeatedly that keeping an area clean and in good repair reduces crime ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There were several marketing studies in the US that showed that stores that played classical music had higher sales than others.
First, they determined that playing music at low volume increased sales over silence (people were more willing to casually browse until they found something to buy).
Second, they determined that playing classical music had the greatest impact on sales.
The theory was (possibly confirmed by further studies, but I don't know) that few people find classical music offensive (even if they don't care for it).
I suspect that playing classical music reduces crime for similar reasons that keeping an area clean (clean up the litter, tow away abandoned cars, etc) and in good repair does, it makes the atmosphere of the area/location into one where a person who has nefarious goals feel out of place (actually, there is no solid explanation for why it works, but it has been shown repeatedly that keeping an area clean and in good repair reduces crime).</sentencetext>
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	<title>This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267646100000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Where I live there is a notorious corner for crack cocain, prostitution, bloody fights, and anything you can imagine.</p><p>Despite constant city owned surveillance equipment the activity continues.</p><p>The local Diner installed speakers and pipes out jazz, classical, etc. I find it to be kind of nice mood music, for an elevator.</p><p>
&nbsp; It has cut down on the drug dealers, kids hanging out, street performers, and the homeless who are normally sitting on the sidewalk asking for change. Apparently the softly played music is enough of an annoyance that they go away.</p><p>Miles Davis - 1<br>Bach - 1<br>Panoptic sort - 0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I live there is a notorious corner for crack cocain , prostitution , bloody fights , and anything you can imagine.Despite constant city owned surveillance equipment the activity continues.The local Diner installed speakers and pipes out jazz , classical , etc .
I find it to be kind of nice mood music , for an elevator .
  It has cut down on the drug dealers , kids hanging out , street performers , and the homeless who are normally sitting on the sidewalk asking for change .
Apparently the softly played music is enough of an annoyance that they go away.Miles Davis - 1Bach - 1Panoptic sort - 0</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Where I live there is a notorious corner for crack cocain, prostitution, bloody fights, and anything you can imagine.Despite constant city owned surveillance equipment the activity continues.The local Diner installed speakers and pipes out jazz, classical, etc.
I find it to be kind of nice mood music, for an elevator.
  It has cut down on the drug dealers, kids hanging out, street performers, and the homeless who are normally sitting on the sidewalk asking for change.
Apparently the softly played music is enough of an annoyance that they go away.Miles Davis - 1Bach - 1Panoptic sort - 0</sentencetext>
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	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>Alvare</author>
	<datestamp>1267727700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>What The Fuck ?<br>
I couldn't believe when I saw this article's title, really.<br>
I may be 17 and I like classical music, I mean it's music in it's bare form, it's perfect to learn theory, but I listen modern electronic music, that takes all this theory and adds another ton of theory (filters, compression, dynamic ranges, etc) and it's more complex, fun and sometimes original.<br>
But I would be an hypocrite if I listened to trance and hated formal music, it's like loving house and hating funk, I wouldn't be listening it because I love how it sounds, because they sound the same, I would be listening to it because some social crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What The Fuck ?
I could n't believe when I saw this article 's title , really .
I may be 17 and I like classical music , I mean it 's music in it 's bare form , it 's perfect to learn theory , but I listen modern electronic music , that takes all this theory and adds another ton of theory ( filters , compression , dynamic ranges , etc ) and it 's more complex , fun and sometimes original .
But I would be an hypocrite if I listened to trance and hated formal music , it 's like loving house and hating funk , I would n't be listening it because I love how it sounds , because they sound the same , I would be listening to it because some social crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What The Fuck ?
I couldn't believe when I saw this article's title, really.
I may be 17 and I like classical music, I mean it's music in it's bare form, it's perfect to learn theory, but I listen modern electronic music, that takes all this theory and adds another ton of theory (filters, compression, dynamic ranges, etc) and it's more complex, fun and sometimes original.
But I would be an hypocrite if I listened to trance and hated formal music, it's like loving house and hating funk, I wouldn't be listening it because I love how it sounds, because they sound the same, I would be listening to it because some social crap.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Better Solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267721940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just force them all to take part in Morris dancing. Solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just force them all to take part in Morris dancing .
Solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just force them all to take part in Morris dancing.
Solved.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Hythlodaeus</author>
	<datestamp>1267725360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has nothing to do with the music itself - just self image.  They associate classical music with \_boring people\_ - parents, teachers, and other stuffy authority figures.  Modern music sells an identity and a social clique more than it sells the bits on the disc or the vibrations they encode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has nothing to do with the music itself - just self image .
They associate classical music with \ _boring people \ _ - parents , teachers , and other stuffy authority figures .
Modern music sells an identity and a social clique more than it sells the bits on the disc or the vibrations they encode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has nothing to do with the music itself - just self image.
They associate classical music with \_boring people\_ - parents, teachers, and other stuffy authority figures.
Modern music sells an identity and a social clique more than it sells the bits on the disc or the vibrations they encode.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>Rennt</author>
	<datestamp>1267700280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It has cut down on the drug dealers, kids hanging out, street performers, and the homeless</p> </div><p>That's an odd group of people to lump in together. It is almost as if they want to cut down on the community itself.</p><p>
Seriously, I can see dealers being undesirable, but <i>street performers</i>?</p></div>
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<tokenext>It has cut down on the drug dealers , kids hanging out , street performers , and the homeless That 's an odd group of people to lump in together .
It is almost as if they want to cut down on the community itself .
Seriously , I can see dealers being undesirable , but street performers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has cut down on the drug dealers, kids hanging out, street performers, and the homeless That's an odd group of people to lump in together.
It is almost as if they want to cut down on the community itself.
Seriously, I can see dealers being undesirable, but street performers?
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267696140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>School music programs? You must be American. In GB, compulsory school music went the way of the dodo some time back in the state sector.</p><p>Oh, yeah, and read the summary. It's not the middle-class violin students hanging about bus stops with spray cans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>School music programs ?
You must be American .
In GB , compulsory school music went the way of the dodo some time back in the state sector.Oh , yeah , and read the summary .
It 's not the middle-class violin students hanging about bus stops with spray cans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School music programs?
You must be American.
In GB, compulsory school music went the way of the dodo some time back in the state sector.Oh, yeah, and read the summary.
It's not the middle-class violin students hanging about bus stops with spray cans.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1267706100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your bad bit of Liverpool isn't the whole country. Even Liverpool (an area which the whole UK makes jokes about as regards to criminality) isn't representitive of the whole UK.</p><p>In general it is a *tiny minority* of youth who are like this. The majority only cause typical teenage trouble to their parents and nothing else.</p><p>It's not as if it is a specific to the UK problem. There are youth like this all over the world. Only recently I was watching an article on Spanish TV about juvenile delinquency, alcohol abuse, and anti social behaviour in Madrid. Recently there was a news item in the Spanish press about someone who had just been released from prison (who had been implicated in burning a girl to death) being put back in prison again for stealing from cars. There are probably British counterparts to your Spanish friend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your bad bit of Liverpool is n't the whole country .
Even Liverpool ( an area which the whole UK makes jokes about as regards to criminality ) is n't representitive of the whole UK.In general it is a * tiny minority * of youth who are like this .
The majority only cause typical teenage trouble to their parents and nothing else.It 's not as if it is a specific to the UK problem .
There are youth like this all over the world .
Only recently I was watching an article on Spanish TV about juvenile delinquency , alcohol abuse , and anti social behaviour in Madrid .
Recently there was a news item in the Spanish press about someone who had just been released from prison ( who had been implicated in burning a girl to death ) being put back in prison again for stealing from cars .
There are probably British counterparts to your Spanish friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your bad bit of Liverpool isn't the whole country.
Even Liverpool (an area which the whole UK makes jokes about as regards to criminality) isn't representitive of the whole UK.In general it is a *tiny minority* of youth who are like this.
The majority only cause typical teenage trouble to their parents and nothing else.It's not as if it is a specific to the UK problem.
There are youth like this all over the world.
Only recently I was watching an article on Spanish TV about juvenile delinquency, alcohol abuse, and anti social behaviour in Madrid.
Recently there was a news item in the Spanish press about someone who had just been released from prison (who had been implicated in burning a girl to death) being put back in prison again for stealing from cars.
There are probably British counterparts to your Spanish friend.</sentencetext>
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	<title>We only want ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1267724280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... well behaved kids hanging around, like
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A\_Clockwork\_Orange" title="wikipedia.org">Alex</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>... well behaved kids hanging around , like Alex [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... well behaved kids hanging around, like
Alex [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360358</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267729440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or maybe listening to loud music damaged his hearing and he cannot hear the details of the low parts anymore. So he cranks it up.</p><p>I was told very early I had an excellent hearing and was always very careful to keep it that way. My CD-player outputs to both a solid-state amp (Denon) and a tube amp and about half my friends cannot hear the difference, that is obvious to others, mostly in the voice, flute violins, Jazz and numerous clasic rock.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe listening to loud music damaged his hearing and he can not hear the details of the low parts anymore .
So he cranks it up.I was told very early I had an excellent hearing and was always very careful to keep it that way .
My CD-player outputs to both a solid-state amp ( Denon ) and a tube amp and about half my friends can not hear the difference , that is obvious to others , mostly in the voice , flute violins , Jazz and numerous clasic rock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe listening to loud music damaged his hearing and he cannot hear the details of the low parts anymore.
So he cranks it up.I was told very early I had an excellent hearing and was always very careful to keep it that way.
My CD-player outputs to both a solid-state amp (Denon) and a tube amp and about half my friends cannot hear the difference, that is obvious to others, mostly in the voice, flute violins, Jazz and numerous clasic rock.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356628</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267707900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Groups of retired people, hanging around busstops.<br>Pestering innocent by-passers...</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIHF4rVTK4E" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">That sounds familiar...</a> [youtube.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Groups of retired people , hanging around busstops.Pestering innocent by-passers... That sounds familiar... [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Groups of retired people, hanging around busstops.Pestering innocent by-passers... That sounds familiar... [youtube.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360108</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1267728060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Boring is listening to the exact same riff or chord over and over and over throughout an entire song without any variation.</p></div><p>It might come as a surprise, but not all contemporary music consists of "exact same riff over and over" (even though a lot still does).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boring is listening to the exact same riff or chord over and over and over throughout an entire song without any variation.It might come as a surprise , but not all contemporary music consists of " exact same riff over and over " ( even though a lot still does ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boring is listening to the exact same riff or chord over and over and over throughout an entire song without any variation.It might come as a surprise, but not all contemporary music consists of "exact same riff over and over" (even though a lot still does).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31361464</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267734840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.</p><p>Sounds like they have defined "kid" wrong. Lower age of majority recommended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Kids there do not care about anything , and as they know they have immunity , they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.Sounds like they have defined " kid " wrong .
Lower age of majority recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.Sounds like they have defined "kid" wrong.
Lower age of majority recommended.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31361918</id>
	<title>Re:A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1267693740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mind you, in the book Alex basically just grows up and gets over it. He gets bored with ultra-violence and goes on to lead a more-or-less normal life.</p><p>And as for the helpful translation, below: Wow, you are one insightful dude. And here I thought he might have a cut throat banana peel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mind you , in the book Alex basically just grows up and gets over it .
He gets bored with ultra-violence and goes on to lead a more-or-less normal life.And as for the helpful translation , below : Wow , you are one insightful dude .
And here I thought he might have a cut throat banana peel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mind you, in the book Alex basically just grows up and gets over it.
He gets bored with ultra-violence and goes on to lead a more-or-less normal life.And as for the helpful translation, below: Wow, you are one insightful dude.
And here I thought he might have a cut throat banana peel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355142</id>
	<title>They'll grow to like it and...</title>
	<author>noz</author>
	<datestamp>1267645440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A new renaissance will be born!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A new renaissance will be born !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A new renaissance will be born!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356202</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267702080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Now, let me find my ropes, straitjacket, eye clamps, artificial tears and the almost forgotten long play records of Ludwig Von. Then I'll invite a "youth" over and "we" will have a swell time appreciating classical music.</i> </p><p>In the end, I think it has less to do with the kind of music as with the fact that you're deprived of any control over what music is played or how (or how long) it is played.</p><p>I like Gregorian chant, but I'd happily crucify any son of a bitch who sat outside my house all night long playing my own Hildegarde of Bingen CD on a loud car system.</p><p>Hah! -- captcha = handgun</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , let me find my ropes , straitjacket , eye clamps , artificial tears and the almost forgotten long play records of Ludwig Von .
Then I 'll invite a " youth " over and " we " will have a swell time appreciating classical music .
In the end , I think it has less to do with the kind of music as with the fact that you 're deprived of any control over what music is played or how ( or how long ) it is played.I like Gregorian chant , but I 'd happily crucify any son of a bitch who sat outside my house all night long playing my own Hildegarde of Bingen CD on a loud car system.Hah !
-- captcha = handgun</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, let me find my ropes, straitjacket, eye clamps, artificial tears and the almost forgotten long play records of Ludwig Von.
Then I'll invite a "youth" over and "we" will have a swell time appreciating classical music.
In the end, I think it has less to do with the kind of music as with the fact that you're deprived of any control over what music is played or how (or how long) it is played.I like Gregorian chant, but I'd happily crucify any son of a bitch who sat outside my house all night long playing my own Hildegarde of Bingen CD on a loud car system.Hah!
-- captcha = handgun</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357252</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>mdarksbane</author>
	<datestamp>1267713720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And so, the problem from my vantage point is that they are so set against using real punishment against people who are actively disruptive and doing illegal things, that they have to use these ridiculous notions? If someone puts a brick through a window, that's a property crime, and they should go to jail or have to pay for it. Assault, battery, vandalism are all crimes that reasonable societies have a punishment for when you're an adult that generally works as at least something of a deterrent. Anti-social behavior bracelets? Seriously?</p><p>I mean, I have major problems with the American system of "you smoke dope you do time" industry, but this is ridiculous in a whole different direction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And so , the problem from my vantage point is that they are so set against using real punishment against people who are actively disruptive and doing illegal things , that they have to use these ridiculous notions ?
If someone puts a brick through a window , that 's a property crime , and they should go to jail or have to pay for it .
Assault , battery , vandalism are all crimes that reasonable societies have a punishment for when you 're an adult that generally works as at least something of a deterrent .
Anti-social behavior bracelets ?
Seriously ? I mean , I have major problems with the American system of " you smoke dope you do time " industry , but this is ridiculous in a whole different direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And so, the problem from my vantage point is that they are so set against using real punishment against people who are actively disruptive and doing illegal things, that they have to use these ridiculous notions?
If someone puts a brick through a window, that's a property crime, and they should go to jail or have to pay for it.
Assault, battery, vandalism are all crimes that reasonable societies have a punishment for when you're an adult that generally works as at least something of a deterrent.
Anti-social behavior bracelets?
Seriously?I mean, I have major problems with the American system of "you smoke dope you do time" industry, but this is ridiculous in a whole different direction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355152</id>
	<title>Just wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someday soon, we'll be blasting death metal in nursing homes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someday soon , we 'll be blasting death metal in nursing homes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someday soon, we'll be blasting death metal in nursing homes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355698</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267695660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Unruly youths" is journalism code in Europe for "gangs of young Muslim men."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Unruly youths " is journalism code in Europe for " gangs of young Muslim men .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Unruly youths" is journalism code in Europe for "gangs of young Muslim men.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356418</id>
	<title>I'll call bull on that, sorry</title>
	<author>Moraelin</author>
	<datestamp>1267705020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've heard the "we're listening/doing X because it's really nice/right/good, they're listening/doing Y just for some juvenile cool factor" rationalizations before, and it seems to me one of the silliest things ever.</p><p>For a start, I'm way beyond the age groups these guys are trying to drive off, but I not only am not fond of classcial music, but value a bit of peace and quiet too. Any place blaring that crap and disturbing the peace, would lose my business pretty fast, if I have the choice. Mom is even older (unsurprisingly) and is a die-hard heavy-metal fangirl. Much to dad's despair, I might add.</p><p>The idea that a little old lady would listen to that just because of some "cool factor" is hillarious. Cool factor among whom? It's not like she hands around highschools or anything.</p><p>And that goes double for such crap as "<i>When you grow up, you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid, and can enjoy it.</i>" Really? Exactly at what age will she count as grown up, then?</p><p>Plus, may I point out that most of that music which is "classical" now, was once the avantgarde thing that shocked the elders of the day? Are you aware that Mozart, who now is used to deterr the youth from being there, once was pretty much the equivalent of punk and wrote such shock pieces as "Lick Me In The Arse" and "Lick Me In The Arse Really Nice And Clean"? Now that ought to have gotten a few proper old ladies ranting about the decadence of youth and their music these days.</p><p>Are you aware that complaints about "today's youth" and pretty much a verbatim rehash of all the "cool" stereotypes about them, can be found as early as Socrates or Hesiod in the 8'th century BC?</p><p>"<i>I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on<br>the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless<br>beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of<br>elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of<br>restraint.</i>" -- Hesiod</p><p>Supposedly there is even a similar complaint dating from early Sumer on clay tablets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard the " we 're listening/doing X because it 's really nice/right/good , they 're listening/doing Y just for some juvenile cool factor " rationalizations before , and it seems to me one of the silliest things ever.For a start , I 'm way beyond the age groups these guys are trying to drive off , but I not only am not fond of classcial music , but value a bit of peace and quiet too .
Any place blaring that crap and disturbing the peace , would lose my business pretty fast , if I have the choice .
Mom is even older ( unsurprisingly ) and is a die-hard heavy-metal fangirl .
Much to dad 's despair , I might add.The idea that a little old lady would listen to that just because of some " cool factor " is hillarious .
Cool factor among whom ?
It 's not like she hands around highschools or anything.And that goes double for such crap as " When you grow up , you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid , and can enjoy it .
" Really ?
Exactly at what age will she count as grown up , then ? Plus , may I point out that most of that music which is " classical " now , was once the avantgarde thing that shocked the elders of the day ?
Are you aware that Mozart , who now is used to deterr the youth from being there , once was pretty much the equivalent of punk and wrote such shock pieces as " Lick Me In The Arse " and " Lick Me In The Arse Really Nice And Clean " ?
Now that ought to have gotten a few proper old ladies ranting about the decadence of youth and their music these days.Are you aware that complaints about " today 's youth " and pretty much a verbatim rehash of all the " cool " stereotypes about them , can be found as early as Socrates or Hesiod in the 8'th century BC ?
" I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent onthe frivolous youth of today , for certainly all youth are recklessbeyond words .
When I was a boy , we were taught to be discrete and respectful ofelders , but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient ofrestraint .
" -- HesiodSupposedly there is even a similar complaint dating from early Sumer on clay tablets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard the "we're listening/doing X because it's really nice/right/good, they're listening/doing Y just for some juvenile cool factor" rationalizations before, and it seems to me one of the silliest things ever.For a start, I'm way beyond the age groups these guys are trying to drive off, but I not only am not fond of classcial music, but value a bit of peace and quiet too.
Any place blaring that crap and disturbing the peace, would lose my business pretty fast, if I have the choice.
Mom is even older (unsurprisingly) and is a die-hard heavy-metal fangirl.
Much to dad's despair, I might add.The idea that a little old lady would listen to that just because of some "cool factor" is hillarious.
Cool factor among whom?
It's not like she hands around highschools or anything.And that goes double for such crap as "When you grow up, you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid, and can enjoy it.
" Really?
Exactly at what age will she count as grown up, then?Plus, may I point out that most of that music which is "classical" now, was once the avantgarde thing that shocked the elders of the day?
Are you aware that Mozart, who now is used to deterr the youth from being there, once was pretty much the equivalent of punk and wrote such shock pieces as "Lick Me In The Arse" and "Lick Me In The Arse Really Nice And Clean"?
Now that ought to have gotten a few proper old ladies ranting about the decadence of youth and their music these days.Are you aware that complaints about "today's youth" and pretty much a verbatim rehash of all the "cool" stereotypes about them, can be found as early as Socrates or Hesiod in the 8'th century BC?
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent onthe frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are recklessbeyond words.
When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful ofelders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient ofrestraint.
" -- HesiodSupposedly there is even a similar complaint dating from early Sumer on clay tablets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359812</id>
	<title>Re:Calculus Gang</title>
	<author>sabt-pestnu</author>
	<datestamp>1267726920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would only have cost 10 grand if the University professors hadn't insisted on copying the proofs down before the city cleaned it off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would only have cost 10 grand if the University professors had n't insisted on copying the proofs down before the city cleaned it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would only have cost 10 grand if the University professors hadn't insisted on copying the proofs down before the city cleaned it off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356896</id>
	<title>Re:This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267711020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That diner is as good as bankrupt already.  Once the RIAA finds out it is giving a "public performance" of copyrighted works without paying some ridiculous royalty, they're toast.  The drug dealers are no threat compared to THAT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That diner is as good as bankrupt already .
Once the RIAA finds out it is giving a " public performance " of copyrighted works without paying some ridiculous royalty , they 're toast .
The drug dealers are no threat compared to THAT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That diner is as good as bankrupt already.
Once the RIAA finds out it is giving a "public performance" of copyrighted works without paying some ridiculous royalty, they're toast.
The drug dealers are no threat compared to THAT.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360386</id>
	<title>Re:A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>lucian1900</author>
	<datestamp>1267729620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've come to Britain to study. I really want to leave as soon as possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've come to Britain to study .
I really want to leave as soon as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've come to Britain to study.
I really want to leave as soon as possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31369150</id>
	<title>No, it isn't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267789260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem in the UK recognizes no races or creeds.</p><p>The only common denominator is working class depravation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem in the UK recognizes no races or creeds.The only common denominator is working class depravation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem in the UK recognizes no races or creeds.The only common denominator is working class depravation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357148</id>
	<title>Re:Of course</title>
	<author>Kopachris</author>
	<datestamp>1267713000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, there's a lot of good, free classical music out there.  I have several symphonies, sonatas, and concertos from classiccat.com that are pretty good quality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there 's a lot of good , free classical music out there .
I have several symphonies , sonatas , and concertos from classiccat.com that are pretty good quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there's a lot of good, free classical music out there.
I have several symphonies, sonatas, and concertos from classiccat.com that are pretty good quality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355090</id>
	<title>A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>plover</author>
	<datestamp>1267644960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are aware that <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921/" title="imdb.com">A Clockwork Orange</a> [imdb.com] was fiction, aren't you? It was a movie and not a documentary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are aware that A Clockwork Orange [ imdb.com ] was fiction , are n't you ?
It was a movie and not a documentary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are aware that A Clockwork Orange [imdb.com] was fiction, aren't you?
It was a movie and not a documentary.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356410</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1267704840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possibly the customers they don't want. Young chavs will become old chavs, and no more desirable as clientele.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possibly the customers they do n't want .
Young chavs will become old chavs , and no more desirable as clientele .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possibly the customers they don't want.
Young chavs will become old chavs, and no more desirable as clientele.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357824</id>
	<title>Mozart Rocks! Anyone Who Says Otherwise is a Idiot</title>
	<author>curmudgeon99</author>
	<datestamp>1267717440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone who can listen to Mozart and not love it is an idiot. Mozart is far and away the most talented and awesome composer there is. If these young kids end up hating classical music, then they should just hang a drool bucket under that kid's chin and send them off to the work farm to count beans. Listening to Mozart makes you smarter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who can listen to Mozart and not love it is an idiot .
Mozart is far and away the most talented and awesome composer there is .
If these young kids end up hating classical music , then they should just hang a drool bucket under that kid 's chin and send them off to the work farm to count beans .
Listening to Mozart makes you smarter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who can listen to Mozart and not love it is an idiot.
Mozart is far and away the most talented and awesome composer there is.
If these young kids end up hating classical music, then they should just hang a drool bucket under that kid's chin and send them off to the work farm to count beans.
Listening to Mozart makes you smarter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31369456</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267793280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop being weaklings and go kick some prepubescent ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop being weaklings and go kick some prepubescent ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop being weaklings and go kick some prepubescent ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31358692</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>mackil</author>
	<datestamp>1267722540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStfT8gCrjM" title="youtube.com">That's been a problem for years</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's been a problem for years [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's been a problem for years [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357234</id>
	<title>Re:Calculus Gang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267713600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fool! You mean 6.366197723675814*<i>pi</i> grand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fool !
You mean 6.366197723675814 * pi grand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fool!
You mean 6.366197723675814*pi grand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356922</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>atrizu</author>
	<datestamp>1267711200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Real next problem: kids causing mischief from the comfort of their own homes (Internet).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Real next problem : kids causing mischief from the comfort of their own homes ( Internet ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real next problem: kids causing mischief from the comfort of their own homes (Internet).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355900</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>l0b0</author>
	<datestamp>1267698240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I enjoy classical music, but not when it's played<br>a) too loud (can't hear myself think),<br>b) too quiet (think elevator music), and/or<br>c) on a shitty speaker system (any shop / public vehicle).</p><p>My guess (didn't RTFA) is that a) and c) apply here, in which case, yes, they are unspeakable bastards for ruining the experience and using something the kids can't block out. They're just kids! Sure they can be rude and dishonest*, but do you really want a significant fraction of them growing up feeling like they are not wanted anywhere, before they have even done anything to deserve it? It's not like the local hang-out is an exclusive club for those with a criminal record.</p><p>* Just like grown-ups, who are just better at disguising it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I enjoy classical music , but not when it 's playeda ) too loud ( ca n't hear myself think ) ,b ) too quiet ( think elevator music ) , and/orc ) on a shitty speaker system ( any shop / public vehicle ) .My guess ( did n't RTFA ) is that a ) and c ) apply here , in which case , yes , they are unspeakable bastards for ruining the experience and using something the kids ca n't block out .
They 're just kids !
Sure they can be rude and dishonest * , but do you really want a significant fraction of them growing up feeling like they are not wanted anywhere , before they have even done anything to deserve it ?
It 's not like the local hang-out is an exclusive club for those with a criminal record .
* Just like grown-ups , who are just better at disguising it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I enjoy classical music, but not when it's playeda) too loud (can't hear myself think),b) too quiet (think elevator music), and/orc) on a shitty speaker system (any shop / public vehicle).My guess (didn't RTFA) is that a) and c) apply here, in which case, yes, they are unspeakable bastards for ruining the experience and using something the kids can't block out.
They're just kids!
Sure they can be rude and dishonest*, but do you really want a significant fraction of them growing up feeling like they are not wanted anywhere, before they have even done anything to deserve it?
It's not like the local hang-out is an exclusive club for those with a criminal record.
* Just like grown-ups, who are just better at disguising it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355110</id>
	<title>No surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The speaker is probably mounted on a CCTV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The speaker is probably mounted on a CCTV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The speaker is probably mounted on a CCTV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360722</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1267731240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brits, send your bad kids to Kansas.  We can deal with them.</p><p>In my city of about 100,000, a man's house was broken into in the middle of the night by a pair of teens.  They stole his TV and several other valuable items before the man awoke and chased them out of his house with a rifle.</p><p>The kids decided there was too much good stuff in this guy's house to pass up, so they went back the next night.  The first one went in through the window, to find the homeowner was waiting for him, and the kid took two high power rifle rounds to the chest.  His friend, in an alpha male sort of way, decided to pull out his pistol and before he even got to aim, the homeowner had shot him several times.  The first of the two survived and later told police that they had gone back to steal a Playstation.</p><p>Years passed before anyone tried this again.</p><p>Last year, there were a string of home invasions.  Most of the time, the burglars found the homeowner in bed, and threatened them with a weapon to give them valuables.  This worked well until the burglars broke into the trailer of an Iraq war vet, who shot the two burglars 13 times.  Both burglars survived, live in great pain, and will stand trial.</p><p>There have been no home invasions since.</p><p>Come on UK, give your citizens back the right to defend themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brits , send your bad kids to Kansas .
We can deal with them.In my city of about 100,000 , a man 's house was broken into in the middle of the night by a pair of teens .
They stole his TV and several other valuable items before the man awoke and chased them out of his house with a rifle.The kids decided there was too much good stuff in this guy 's house to pass up , so they went back the next night .
The first one went in through the window , to find the homeowner was waiting for him , and the kid took two high power rifle rounds to the chest .
His friend , in an alpha male sort of way , decided to pull out his pistol and before he even got to aim , the homeowner had shot him several times .
The first of the two survived and later told police that they had gone back to steal a Playstation.Years passed before anyone tried this again.Last year , there were a string of home invasions .
Most of the time , the burglars found the homeowner in bed , and threatened them with a weapon to give them valuables .
This worked well until the burglars broke into the trailer of an Iraq war vet , who shot the two burglars 13 times .
Both burglars survived , live in great pain , and will stand trial.There have been no home invasions since.Come on UK , give your citizens back the right to defend themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brits, send your bad kids to Kansas.
We can deal with them.In my city of about 100,000, a man's house was broken into in the middle of the night by a pair of teens.
They stole his TV and several other valuable items before the man awoke and chased them out of his house with a rifle.The kids decided there was too much good stuff in this guy's house to pass up, so they went back the next night.
The first one went in through the window, to find the homeowner was waiting for him, and the kid took two high power rifle rounds to the chest.
His friend, in an alpha male sort of way, decided to pull out his pistol and before he even got to aim, the homeowner had shot him several times.
The first of the two survived and later told police that they had gone back to steal a Playstation.Years passed before anyone tried this again.Last year, there were a string of home invasions.
Most of the time, the burglars found the homeowner in bed, and threatened them with a weapon to give them valuables.
This worked well until the burglars broke into the trailer of an Iraq war vet, who shot the two burglars 13 times.
Both burglars survived, live in great pain, and will stand trial.There have been no home invasions since.Come on UK, give your citizens back the right to defend themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356446</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>DMalic</author>
	<datestamp>1267705260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends on the music, personal taste, etcetera. I love Beethoven's 9, most Mozart, CPE Bach, Bach's organ stuff, Vivaldi, Grieg, and am trying others. Nonetheless, some musicians are just *bad* to me: all atmosphere and no music; it sounds like a theme for a movie in the non-musical almost sound-effects like sense (Stravinsky, Bartok, etc.). On the other hand, Philip Glass, who I sincerely expected to hate (minimalist just sounded horrible) I loved the second I heard.

Delving down through what you do and don't like to find more stuff you do and expand your horizons takes effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the music , personal taste , etcetera .
I love Beethoven 's 9 , most Mozart , CPE Bach , Bach 's organ stuff , Vivaldi , Grieg , and am trying others .
Nonetheless , some musicians are just * bad * to me : all atmosphere and no music ; it sounds like a theme for a movie in the non-musical almost sound-effects like sense ( Stravinsky , Bartok , etc. ) .
On the other hand , Philip Glass , who I sincerely expected to hate ( minimalist just sounded horrible ) I loved the second I heard .
Delving down through what you do and do n't like to find more stuff you do and expand your horizons takes effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the music, personal taste, etcetera.
I love Beethoven's 9, most Mozart, CPE Bach, Bach's organ stuff, Vivaldi, Grieg, and am trying others.
Nonetheless, some musicians are just *bad* to me: all atmosphere and no music; it sounds like a theme for a movie in the non-musical almost sound-effects like sense (Stravinsky, Bartok, etc.).
On the other hand, Philip Glass, who I sincerely expected to hate (minimalist just sounded horrible) I loved the second I heard.
Delving down through what you do and don't like to find more stuff you do and expand your horizons takes effort.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355296</id>
	<title>Re:Of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267733760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...disrespect of copyright. Playing music in the public for free only gets things worse.</i> </p><p>But it's not for free.  The authorities using this music pay for public performance licenses.  Copyright is being respected, you can breathe easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...disrespect of copyright .
Playing music in the public for free only gets things worse .
But it 's not for free .
The authorities using this music pay for public performance licenses .
Copyright is being respected , you can breathe easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...disrespect of copyright.
Playing music in the public for free only gets things worse.
But it's not for free.
The authorities using this music pay for public performance licenses.
Copyright is being respected, you can breathe easily.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359494</id>
	<title>Lame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267725660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's total bullshit. I'm a youth in England, and stuff like this makes me want to blare some gangsta rap in my local area, to deter misinformed adults. This really winds me up &gt;:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's total bullshit .
I 'm a youth in England , and stuff like this makes me want to blare some gangsta rap in my local area , to deter misinformed adults .
This really winds me up &gt; : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's total bullshit.
I'm a youth in England, and stuff like this makes me want to blare some gangsta rap in my local area, to deter misinformed adults.
This really winds me up &gt;:-(</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357662</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267716360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Absolutely, there is a reason the stuff we call classical music is still around after hundreds of years. I don't remeber who said it but someone said that 90\% of all art in any given period is crap. This is correct. Over time, the crap stops being reproduced/preserved and all that is left is the good stuff. That is why I like most of the old songs I hear and dislike most of the new ones. It isn't that the old stuff was better, it's that no one plays the really bad old stuff anymore (and, generally, the older it is, the better it has to be to get played).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely , there is a reason the stuff we call classical music is still around after hundreds of years .
I do n't remeber who said it but someone said that 90 \ % of all art in any given period is crap .
This is correct .
Over time , the crap stops being reproduced/preserved and all that is left is the good stuff .
That is why I like most of the old songs I hear and dislike most of the new ones .
It is n't that the old stuff was better , it 's that no one plays the really bad old stuff anymore ( and , generally , the older it is , the better it has to be to get played ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely, there is a reason the stuff we call classical music is still around after hundreds of years.
I don't remeber who said it but someone said that 90\% of all art in any given period is crap.
This is correct.
Over time, the crap stops being reproduced/preserved and all that is left is the good stuff.
That is why I like most of the old songs I hear and dislike most of the new ones.
It isn't that the old stuff was better, it's that no one plays the really bad old stuff anymore (and, generally, the older it is, the better it has to be to get played).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355364</id>
	<title>What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267734480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When did our kids becomes our enemies? It seems the UK do about everything in their power to alienate their youth. I really don't know about the UK, but is there really such a big problem with "unruly youths" that you have to bombard them with "deterrents" that seem to come from the privy closet of Marquis de Sade?</p><p>What sadist comes up with those things? And why do I have the gut feeling that the only reason this is targeted at kids is just that they can't vote and thus can't kick the bastard off his comfy chair?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When did our kids becomes our enemies ?
It seems the UK do about everything in their power to alienate their youth .
I really do n't know about the UK , but is there really such a big problem with " unruly youths " that you have to bombard them with " deterrents " that seem to come from the privy closet of Marquis de Sade ? What sadist comes up with those things ?
And why do I have the gut feeling that the only reason this is targeted at kids is just that they ca n't vote and thus ca n't kick the bastard off his comfy chair ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did our kids becomes our enemies?
It seems the UK do about everything in their power to alienate their youth.
I really don't know about the UK, but is there really such a big problem with "unruly youths" that you have to bombard them with "deterrents" that seem to come from the privy closet of Marquis de Sade?What sadist comes up with those things?
And why do I have the gut feeling that the only reason this is targeted at kids is just that they can't vote and thus can't kick the bastard off his comfy chair?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356206</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Alarindris</author>
	<datestamp>1267702140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to worry, churches have been doing it to them as well for quite some time.  Trying to introduce my friends to classical music, they ALWAYS say "Aw man, why are we listening to church music?"  What's even funnier is that it's only the religious ones who say that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to worry , churches have been doing it to them as well for quite some time .
Trying to introduce my friends to classical music , they ALWAYS say " Aw man , why are we listening to church music ?
" What 's even funnier is that it 's only the religious ones who say that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to worry, churches have been doing it to them as well for quite some time.
Trying to introduce my friends to classical music, they ALWAYS say "Aw man, why are we listening to church music?
"  What's even funnier is that it's only the religious ones who say that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360050</id>
	<title>Why use classical?</title>
	<author>vekrander</author>
	<datestamp>1267727760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of sounds out there that would deter youths.  There's the high frequency range that's audible to only younger people that is supposed to work great.  Just blaring some Nickelback be would have been enough to keep me from going anywhere near a place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of sounds out there that would deter youths .
There 's the high frequency range that 's audible to only younger people that is supposed to work great .
Just blaring some Nickelback be would have been enough to keep me from going anywhere near a place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of sounds out there that would deter youths.
There's the high frequency range that's audible to only younger people that is supposed to work great.
Just blaring some Nickelback be would have been enough to keep me from going anywhere near a place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356362</id>
	<title>Re:Great...</title>
	<author>bytesex</author>
	<datestamp>1267704300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And, with the purported positive influence such music has, it may even educate one or two, or stop a crime from being committed a bit further down the road.  I can't see anything but good things to come from this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , with the purported positive influence such music has , it may even educate one or two , or stop a crime from being committed a bit further down the road .
I ca n't see anything but good things to come from this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, with the purported positive influence such music has, it may even educate one or two, or stop a crime from being committed a bit further down the road.
I can't see anything but good things to come from this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31362192</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267695240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My local AM college station played some Handel the other day, and I'll tell you:</p><p>classical music never sounded so good in the car.  Every car stereo should have a built-in compressor like they have on AM radio.....</p><p>Dynamic range is great when 70\% of it isn't obliterated by road noise!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My local AM college station played some Handel the other day , and I 'll tell you : classical music never sounded so good in the car .
Every car stereo should have a built-in compressor like they have on AM radio.....Dynamic range is great when 70 \ % of it is n't obliterated by road noise !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My local AM college station played some Handel the other day, and I'll tell you:classical music never sounded so good in the car.
Every car stereo should have a built-in compressor like they have on AM radio.....Dynamic range is great when 70\% of it isn't obliterated by road noise!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357582</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267715820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CDs don't have 96 dB dynamic range. That's just mindless repeating of the value of -20*log(2^-16)/log(10). Most people who parrot that value have no idea what it means. When you're ~96dB down, all of the resolution you've got is one bit. Try listening to any music, sampled at 48kHz, and quantized down to one bit. Resume reading after you've tried it. Seriously. By the time you're beyond 98dB down, there are no more bits and whatever you've got there is truncated to zero.</p><p>For classical music without compression, you need a 24 bit quantizer and either a variable gain processor to get it down to 16 bits, or a digital stream that can keep those 24 bits.</p><p>Our hearing's 120dB range means that when you're ~110dB down, you can still recognize it as music. That's due to our ear being a spectrum analyzer. When you have a digital reproduction system with 120dB of dynamic range, and are ~110dB down, you've got less than 3 bits of resolution, and it sounds like crap since there is all that quantization noise that's only 10dB below from your music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CDs do n't have 96 dB dynamic range .
That 's just mindless repeating of the value of -20 * log ( 2 ^ -16 ) /log ( 10 ) .
Most people who parrot that value have no idea what it means .
When you 're ~ 96dB down , all of the resolution you 've got is one bit .
Try listening to any music , sampled at 48kHz , and quantized down to one bit .
Resume reading after you 've tried it .
Seriously. By the time you 're beyond 98dB down , there are no more bits and whatever you 've got there is truncated to zero.For classical music without compression , you need a 24 bit quantizer and either a variable gain processor to get it down to 16 bits , or a digital stream that can keep those 24 bits.Our hearing 's 120dB range means that when you 're ~ 110dB down , you can still recognize it as music .
That 's due to our ear being a spectrum analyzer .
When you have a digital reproduction system with 120dB of dynamic range , and are ~ 110dB down , you 've got less than 3 bits of resolution , and it sounds like crap since there is all that quantization noise that 's only 10dB below from your music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CDs don't have 96 dB dynamic range.
That's just mindless repeating of the value of -20*log(2^-16)/log(10).
Most people who parrot that value have no idea what it means.
When you're ~96dB down, all of the resolution you've got is one bit.
Try listening to any music, sampled at 48kHz, and quantized down to one bit.
Resume reading after you've tried it.
Seriously. By the time you're beyond 98dB down, there are no more bits and whatever you've got there is truncated to zero.For classical music without compression, you need a 24 bit quantizer and either a variable gain processor to get it down to 16 bits, or a digital stream that can keep those 24 bits.Our hearing's 120dB range means that when you're ~110dB down, you can still recognize it as music.
That's due to our ear being a spectrum analyzer.
When you have a digital reproduction system with 120dB of dynamic range, and are ~110dB down, you've got less than 3 bits of resolution, and it sounds like crap since there is all that quantization noise that's only 10dB below from your music.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360514</id>
	<title>Re:This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1267730280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Makes perfect sense to me, in the context of  the general masses shying away from such a person in fear they might catch whatever he has that makes him sit there and do that instead of "working"  --because if he's sitting next to the door of your shop they're shying away from the shop too!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes perfect sense to me , in the context of the general masses shying away from such a person in fear they might catch whatever he has that makes him sit there and do that instead of " working " --because if he 's sitting next to the door of your shop they 're shying away from the shop too !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes perfect sense to me, in the context of  the general masses shying away from such a person in fear they might catch whatever he has that makes him sit there and do that instead of "working"  --because if he's sitting next to the door of your shop they're shying away from the shop too!
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355108</id>
	<title>Great...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like classical music needed less fans, now they've made people actively afraid of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like classical music needed less fans , now they 've made people actively afraid of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like classical music needed less fans, now they've made people actively afraid of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357638</id>
	<title>Re:This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267716180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should play the Barney theme over and over<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should play the Barney theme over and over : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should play the Barney theme over and over :-)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267706580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm disappointed that you've assumed all kids in the UK are like some from a rough bit of Liverpool.</p> </div><p>Unfortunately my subjective experience was not good; I was attacked two times, once, someone threw a fruit or something from their car, fortunately not hitting me; the second time, a motherf1!@$!@ kid threw a can with "vimto" from a double-story bus while it stopped at the bus stop where I was calmly waiting for my bus.</p><p>However if you look around you will see that my subjective views and assumptions are not so far from the objective truth. You can take a look at this: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1558584/What-is-wrong-with-British-youth.html" title="telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">What is wrong with British youth?</a> [telegraph.co.uk] or a more scientific report: <a href="http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsandreports/publication.asp?id=587" title="ippr.org.uk" rel="nofollow">Make Me a Criminal:Preventing youth crime</a> [ippr.org.uk] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>The UK suffers from two related problems that define the terrain within which youth crime is debated. First, evidence seems to show that we experience higher and more sustained levels of youth crime and anti-social behaviour than culturally similar countries. Second, the UK public experiences more fear of crime and concern about youth misbehaviour than citizens elsewhere.</p></div><p>In general, I enjoyed a lot my stay in the UK; almost everything was great. Liverpool itself is a great city with a lot of culture and places to go out nearby; and the fact that they have Manchester airport close is great. However, the children are a real treat. I remember one of the first things I was told in my first meeting with the "Mexican society" in Liverpool was "Beware of the kids, if you see a group of two or three kids walking in the street just walk into the other side of the road", and "do not dare to enter into a park when a bunch of kids/young guys are there".</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm disappointed that you 've assumed all kids in the UK are like some from a rough bit of Liverpool .
Unfortunately my subjective experience was not good ; I was attacked two times , once , someone threw a fruit or something from their car , fortunately not hitting me ; the second time , a motherf1 ! @ $ !
@ kid threw a can with " vimto " from a double-story bus while it stopped at the bus stop where I was calmly waiting for my bus.However if you look around you will see that my subjective views and assumptions are not so far from the objective truth .
You can take a look at this : What is wrong with British youth ?
[ telegraph.co.uk ] or a more scientific report : Make Me a Criminal : Preventing youth crime [ ippr.org.uk ] The UK suffers from two related problems that define the terrain within which youth crime is debated .
First , evidence seems to show that we experience higher and more sustained levels of youth crime and anti-social behaviour than culturally similar countries .
Second , the UK public experiences more fear of crime and concern about youth misbehaviour than citizens elsewhere.In general , I enjoyed a lot my stay in the UK ; almost everything was great .
Liverpool itself is a great city with a lot of culture and places to go out nearby ; and the fact that they have Manchester airport close is great .
However , the children are a real treat .
I remember one of the first things I was told in my first meeting with the " Mexican society " in Liverpool was " Beware of the kids , if you see a group of two or three kids walking in the street just walk into the other side of the road " , and " do not dare to enter into a park when a bunch of kids/young guys are there " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm disappointed that you've assumed all kids in the UK are like some from a rough bit of Liverpool.
Unfortunately my subjective experience was not good; I was attacked two times, once, someone threw a fruit or something from their car, fortunately not hitting me; the second time, a motherf1!@$!
@ kid threw a can with "vimto" from a double-story bus while it stopped at the bus stop where I was calmly waiting for my bus.However if you look around you will see that my subjective views and assumptions are not so far from the objective truth.
You can take a look at this: What is wrong with British youth?
[telegraph.co.uk] or a more scientific report: Make Me a Criminal:Preventing youth crime [ippr.org.uk] The UK suffers from two related problems that define the terrain within which youth crime is debated.
First, evidence seems to show that we experience higher and more sustained levels of youth crime and anti-social behaviour than culturally similar countries.
Second, the UK public experiences more fear of crime and concern about youth misbehaviour than citizens elsewhere.In general, I enjoyed a lot my stay in the UK; almost everything was great.
Liverpool itself is a great city with a lot of culture and places to go out nearby; and the fact that they have Manchester airport close is great.
However, the children are a real treat.
I remember one of the first things I was told in my first meeting with the "Mexican society" in Liverpool was "Beware of the kids, if you see a group of two or three kids walking in the street just walk into the other side of the road", and "do not dare to enter into a park when a bunch of kids/young guys are there".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360468</id>
	<title>Re:This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>csrjjsmp</author>
	<datestamp>1267730040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Charles Babbage, is that you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Charles Babbage , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charles Babbage, is that you?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360538</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1267730340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>orchestral layout focuses on the music and you can have really stupid lyrics and the song will still be good</p></div><p>I'm sorry, opera just doesn't work for me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>orchestral layout focuses on the music and you can have really stupid lyrics and the song will still be goodI 'm sorry , opera just does n't work for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>orchestral layout focuses on the music and you can have really stupid lyrics and the song will still be goodI'm sorry, opera just doesn't work for me.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31358104</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>danlip</author>
	<datestamp>1267719240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.</p></div><p>120 dB is where damage starts to occur from short term exposure, but some people may feel pain at much lower levels.  85 dB can cause damage over long term and is the OSHA limit for long term occupational exposure (with 0 dB defined as the minimum humans can hear in this case, dB is the logarithm of a ratio and the zero point can be arbitrarily defined).</p><p>But I agree that modern recordings are way over-compressed and having a wide dynamic range is good.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB , the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB , tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too , so it should n't hurt your ears.120 dB is where damage starts to occur from short term exposure , but some people may feel pain at much lower levels .
85 dB can cause damage over long term and is the OSHA limit for long term occupational exposure ( with 0 dB defined as the minimum humans can hear in this case , dB is the logarithm of a ratio and the zero point can be arbitrarily defined ) .But I agree that modern recordings are way over-compressed and having a wide dynamic range is good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.120 dB is where damage starts to occur from short term exposure, but some people may feel pain at much lower levels.
85 dB can cause damage over long term and is the OSHA limit for long term occupational exposure (with 0 dB defined as the minimum humans can hear in this case, dB is the logarithm of a ratio and the zero point can be arbitrarily defined).But I agree that modern recordings are way over-compressed and having a wide dynamic range is good.
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	<title>Re:Ask the Artists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267698660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In response to your sig.. <br> <br>
<i>
I've taught at both union and non-union schools. Unions are better for students and teachers.
</i> <br> <br>
[citation needed]</htmltext>
<tokenext>In response to your sig. . I 've taught at both union and non-union schools .
Unions are better for students and teachers .
[ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In response to your sig..  

I've taught at both union and non-union schools.
Unions are better for students and teachers.
[citation needed]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>vxice</author>
	<datestamp>1267734360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>how exactly would they be turned off of it by hearing it while loitering.  Presumably they already don't like it since it appears that it drives them away, and without the music they still loiter etc.  Now if the music was played before cops came and beat them up to remove them then they disliked the music you would have pavlovian condition yes.  But in this case the music already elicits a negative response itself. one might ask what awful state our youth are in that the classics repel them but remember the classics are the pieces of art that you like to say you like and don't necessarily honestly like.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how exactly would they be turned off of it by hearing it while loitering .
Presumably they already do n't like it since it appears that it drives them away , and without the music they still loiter etc .
Now if the music was played before cops came and beat them up to remove them then they disliked the music you would have pavlovian condition yes .
But in this case the music already elicits a negative response itself .
one might ask what awful state our youth are in that the classics repel them but remember the classics are the pieces of art that you like to say you like and do n't necessarily honestly like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how exactly would they be turned off of it by hearing it while loitering.
Presumably they already don't like it since it appears that it drives them away, and without the music they still loiter etc.
Now if the music was played before cops came and beat them up to remove them then they disliked the music you would have pavlovian condition yes.
But in this case the music already elicits a negative response itself.
one might ask what awful state our youth are in that the classics repel them but remember the classics are the pieces of art that you like to say you like and don't necessarily honestly like.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Denver businesses do this too</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1267722600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They play loud classical music to drive away drug dealers and loitering youth.  It seems to work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They play loud classical music to drive away drug dealers and loitering youth .
It seems to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They play loud classical music to drive away drug dealers and loitering youth.
It seems to work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360092</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>srleffler</author>
	<datestamp>1267728000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The quiet parts are supposed to be quiet, but they are also supposed to be listened to in a theatre with good acoustics and a completely silent audience. If you've ever sat in a symphony performance with someone nearby moving around you'll know how much even a small amount of background noise interferes with the quiet parts of the music. When listening to the music on CD, one often just doesn't have a quiet enough background to appreciate the quiet parts at their intended volume.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The quiet parts are supposed to be quiet , but they are also supposed to be listened to in a theatre with good acoustics and a completely silent audience .
If you 've ever sat in a symphony performance with someone nearby moving around you 'll know how much even a small amount of background noise interferes with the quiet parts of the music .
When listening to the music on CD , one often just does n't have a quiet enough background to appreciate the quiet parts at their intended volume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The quiet parts are supposed to be quiet, but they are also supposed to be listened to in a theatre with good acoustics and a completely silent audience.
If you've ever sat in a symphony performance with someone nearby moving around you'll know how much even a small amount of background noise interferes with the quiet parts of the music.
When listening to the music on CD, one often just doesn't have a quiet enough background to appreciate the quiet parts at their intended volume.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359040</id>
	<title>Could be worse...</title>
	<author>Fujisawa Sensei</author>
	<datestamp>1267723800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could be worst, they could be playing selections from "American Idol". They wouldn't even have to play it very loud.</p><p>Yes I am aware that this is in the UK, and not the US. The point stands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could be worst , they could be playing selections from " American Idol " .
They would n't even have to play it very loud.Yes I am aware that this is in the UK , and not the US .
The point stands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could be worst, they could be playing selections from "American Idol".
They wouldn't even have to play it very loud.Yes I am aware that this is in the UK, and not the US.
The point stands.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355172</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>Farmer Tim</author>
	<datestamp>1267645860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most adults I know can't stand classical music either, so I doubt this will have a long term effect on listening habits; who knows, being exposed to it might actually get more kids interested in it. And as someone in their late 30's who can still hear frequencies up to 20kHz I'd much rather this than those buzz generators, as long as the sound quality isn't too bad and they don't play too much Satie (I don't want to fall asleep and miss my bus).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most adults I know ca n't stand classical music either , so I doubt this will have a long term effect on listening habits ; who knows , being exposed to it might actually get more kids interested in it .
And as someone in their late 30 's who can still hear frequencies up to 20kHz I 'd much rather this than those buzz generators , as long as the sound quality is n't too bad and they do n't play too much Satie ( I do n't want to fall asleep and miss my bus ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most adults I know can't stand classical music either, so I doubt this will have a long term effect on listening habits; who knows, being exposed to it might actually get more kids interested in it.
And as someone in their late 30's who can still hear frequencies up to 20kHz I'd much rather this than those buzz generators, as long as the sound quality isn't too bad and they don't play too much Satie (I don't want to fall asleep and miss my bus).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360280</id>
	<title>Wow... It's not just our government.</title>
	<author>sick197666</author>
	<datestamp>1267729020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That likes to cover up its own problems with blame.
<br> <br>
Either 1. Brittish parents suck at raising their own kids.  This is not unlike the US in any way (or many industrialized/televised nations).  They probably also rely on the television, now plus the computer, to raise their kids.  They don't have time to get involved in their lives, that's what MTV is for.
<br> <br>
Or 2. Kids, being by definition, cannot vote nor enter the wonderfully vicious world of politics, are outsiders of that world.  Outsiders looking in, and they see the problems with a different eye than those involved.  Who wouldn't be angry, watching problems evolve that you cannot control, in any way?
<br> <br>
Leads to a lot of people bitching but hardly anyone voting (much like in US), and nothing gets changed; on the national level, the state level, and the local level.  Just more angry people who believe that one person cannot do anything or change anything, so why try?
<br> <br>
Take the easy way out. Destroy, not change.  Burn it all down.
<br> <br>
At least their being proactive, instead of "Oh, my son is too much to handle, let's give him Ritalin so I don't have to try anymore!", "My vote doesn't count so I'm not going to vote.", or "It's all society's fault!"  Good and Evil are better than Aloofness, at least they get off their ass and do something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That likes to cover up its own problems with blame .
Either 1 .
Brittish parents suck at raising their own kids .
This is not unlike the US in any way ( or many industrialized/televised nations ) .
They probably also rely on the television , now plus the computer , to raise their kids .
They do n't have time to get involved in their lives , that 's what MTV is for .
Or 2 .
Kids , being by definition , can not vote nor enter the wonderfully vicious world of politics , are outsiders of that world .
Outsiders looking in , and they see the problems with a different eye than those involved .
Who would n't be angry , watching problems evolve that you can not control , in any way ?
Leads to a lot of people bitching but hardly anyone voting ( much like in US ) , and nothing gets changed ; on the national level , the state level , and the local level .
Just more angry people who believe that one person can not do anything or change anything , so why try ?
Take the easy way out .
Destroy , not change .
Burn it all down .
At least their being proactive , instead of " Oh , my son is too much to handle , let 's give him Ritalin so I do n't have to try anymore !
" , " My vote does n't count so I 'm not going to vote .
" , or " It 's all society 's fault !
" Good and Evil are better than Aloofness , at least they get off their ass and do something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That likes to cover up its own problems with blame.
Either 1.
Brittish parents suck at raising their own kids.
This is not unlike the US in any way (or many industrialized/televised nations).
They probably also rely on the television, now plus the computer, to raise their kids.
They don't have time to get involved in their lives, that's what MTV is for.
Or 2.
Kids, being by definition, cannot vote nor enter the wonderfully vicious world of politics, are outsiders of that world.
Outsiders looking in, and they see the problems with a different eye than those involved.
Who wouldn't be angry, watching problems evolve that you cannot control, in any way?
Leads to a lot of people bitching but hardly anyone voting (much like in US), and nothing gets changed; on the national level, the state level, and the local level.
Just more angry people who believe that one person cannot do anything or change anything, so why try?
Take the easy way out.
Destroy, not change.
Burn it all down.
At least their being proactive, instead of "Oh, my son is too much to handle, let's give him Ritalin so I don't have to try anymore!
", "My vote doesn't count so I'm not going to vote.
", or "It's all society's fault!
"  Good and Evil are better than Aloofness, at least they get off their ass and do something.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355758</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1267696140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You've got to think farther into the future. The next generation of British people is going to hate classical music. What happens when they have kids? An entire generation of teenagers obsessed with classical music. Just imagine the lulz.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've got to think farther into the future .
The next generation of British people is going to hate classical music .
What happens when they have kids ?
An entire generation of teenagers obsessed with classical music .
Just imagine the lulz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've got to think farther into the future.
The next generation of British people is going to hate classical music.
What happens when they have kids?
An entire generation of teenagers obsessed with classical music.
Just imagine the lulz.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1267728720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Not a defect; music with a wide dynamic range was designed to be played in a perfectly quiet hall. Unfortunately, most of the listening environments today (e.g. while driving in your car) have a high level of background noise, which makes them better suited to Lady Gaga than Bach. Personally, if they were playing good recordings of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture, or almost anything by Beethoven, it would attract rather than repel me.  I grew up being forcibly subjected to Country music; despite the fact that I am quite familiar with it, I'm really not a fan of it now (with a few notable exceptions like Tim O'Brian, Allison Krause, and Emmylou Harris, artists that in no way restrict themselves to just the "Country" gendre). So yes, I do think conditioning youth to have an aversion to great classical music is a sin.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a defect ; music with a wide dynamic range was designed to be played in a perfectly quiet hall .
Unfortunately , most of the listening environments today ( e.g .
while driving in your car ) have a high level of background noise , which makes them better suited to Lady Gaga than Bach .
Personally , if they were playing good recordings of Bach 's Toccata and Fugue in D minor , Tchaikovsky 's 1812 overture , or almost anything by Beethoven , it would attract rather than repel me .
I grew up being forcibly subjected to Country music ; despite the fact that I am quite familiar with it , I 'm really not a fan of it now ( with a few notable exceptions like Tim O'Brian , Allison Krause , and Emmylou Harris , artists that in no way restrict themselves to just the " Country " gendre ) .
So yes , I do think conditioning youth to have an aversion to great classical music is a sin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a defect; music with a wide dynamic range was designed to be played in a perfectly quiet hall.
Unfortunately, most of the listening environments today (e.g.
while driving in your car) have a high level of background noise, which makes them better suited to Lady Gaga than Bach.
Personally, if they were playing good recordings of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture, or almost anything by Beethoven, it would attract rather than repel me.
I grew up being forcibly subjected to Country music; despite the fact that I am quite familiar with it, I'm really not a fan of it now (with a few notable exceptions like Tim O'Brian, Allison Krause, and Emmylou Harris, artists that in no way restrict themselves to just the "Country" gendre).
So yes, I do think conditioning youth to have an aversion to great classical music is a sin.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>myowntrueself</author>
	<datestamp>1267703100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>they seem to be a very anti-youth and anti-child society. can anyone explain to me why they seem to hate their new generation so much??</p></div><p>Because the Brits are incredibly, overbearingly and obnoxiously STUFFY.</p></div>
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<tokenext>they seem to be a very anti-youth and anti-child society .
can anyone explain to me why they seem to hate their new generation so much ?
? Because the Brits are incredibly , overbearingly and obnoxiously STUFFY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they seem to be a very anti-youth and anti-child society.
can anyone explain to me why they seem to hate their new generation so much?
?Because the Brits are incredibly, overbearingly and obnoxiously STUFFY.
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	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267696020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You are basically saying today's youths are so much different than youths a century ago. Possibly, taking into consideration that intelligence increases over generations, their intellect is more advanced and their reasoning for disliking classical music is taken with a great deal of consideration.</p></div><p>Really? I thought he was saying the opposite (that youth now are the same as always, and like the animals they are - they learn to fear that which is associated with pain even if it doesn't directly cause it).</p><p>Negative stimulus = negative response. This is essentially torture like you'd find in Gitmo, I'm sure that anyone who lives to get out of that place will be filled with an irrational fear and hatred of the music used to deprive them of sleep.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You are basically saying today 's youths are so much different than youths a century ago .
Possibly , taking into consideration that intelligence increases over generations , their intellect is more advanced and their reasoning for disliking classical music is taken with a great deal of consideration.Really ?
I thought he was saying the opposite ( that youth now are the same as always , and like the animals they are - they learn to fear that which is associated with pain even if it does n't directly cause it ) .Negative stimulus = negative response .
This is essentially torture like you 'd find in Gitmo , I 'm sure that anyone who lives to get out of that place will be filled with an irrational fear and hatred of the music used to deprive them of sleep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are basically saying today's youths are so much different than youths a century ago.
Possibly, taking into consideration that intelligence increases over generations, their intellect is more advanced and their reasoning for disliking classical music is taken with a great deal of consideration.Really?
I thought he was saying the opposite (that youth now are the same as always, and like the animals they are - they learn to fear that which is associated with pain even if it doesn't directly cause it).Negative stimulus = negative response.
This is essentially torture like you'd find in Gitmo, I'm sure that anyone who lives to get out of that place will be filled with an irrational fear and hatred of the music used to deprive them of sleep.
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	<title>Play Yakety Sax on a loop instead</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1267721340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It isn't possible to be a dangerous thug when it's playing. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3QqrXhD8" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3QqrXhD8</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't possible to be a dangerous thug when it 's playing .
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = rVS3QqrXhD8 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't possible to be a dangerous thug when it's playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVS3QqrXhD8 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1267715820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You have no right to defend yourself in the UK?  Wow.  Just wow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have no right to defend yourself in the UK ?
Wow. Just wow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have no right to defend yourself in the UK?
Wow.  Just wow.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>MindlessAutomata</author>
	<datestamp>1267711980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>See, the quiet parts are supposed to be quiet. You have to set the volume so that the quiet parts can be heard, but not be loud, then your ears won't hurt when the loud part comes. The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.</p></div></blockquote><p>The problem here is that many people nowadays listen to classical music in settings where it's not completely quiet (a car, for example) where ambient noise can drown out some of the quieter parts.  Combine that with the fact that recording isn't completely perfect and you get people turning up the volume to even hear it and then being blasted with sharp horns wailing in misery over their ruptured eardrums.</p></div>
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<tokenext>See , the quiet parts are supposed to be quiet .
You have to set the volume so that the quiet parts can be heard , but not be loud , then your ears wo n't hurt when the loud part comes .
The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB , the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB , tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too , so it should n't hurt your ears.The problem here is that many people nowadays listen to classical music in settings where it 's not completely quiet ( a car , for example ) where ambient noise can drown out some of the quieter parts .
Combine that with the fact that recording is n't completely perfect and you get people turning up the volume to even hear it and then being blasted with sharp horns wailing in misery over their ruptured eardrums .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, the quiet parts are supposed to be quiet.
You have to set the volume so that the quiet parts can be heard, but not be loud, then your ears won't hurt when the loud part comes.
The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.The problem here is that many people nowadays listen to classical music in settings where it's not completely quiet (a car, for example) where ambient noise can drown out some of the quieter parts.
Combine that with the fact that recording isn't completely perfect and you get people turning up the volume to even hear it and then being blasted with sharp horns wailing in misery over their ruptured eardrums.
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267719120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't agree with this at all! How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?</p> </div><p>Finally, a good use for Disco!</p></div>
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<tokenext>I do n't agree with this at all !
How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever ?
Finally , a good use for Disco !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't agree with this at all!
How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?
Finally, a good use for Disco!
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1267715160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Kids in general hate classical music.</p><p>As they don't have the listening skills yet to enjoy it.</p><p>Non-Orchestral music which is popular today is rather light in texture.  Vocal, Guitar(s), Bass, Drums  vs. a full orchestra Violins, Violas, Cellos, Contrabass (for a string orchestra popular during the classical period) expenanded to Trumpits, Tubas, French Hones, Trombones, Flues, Oboes, Clarinetist, Timpani, and a variety of percussion  having a much layered and complex set of works.</p><p>The "Rock Band" Layout was based on the Minimalistic Movement of having just enough to do what you need.  In many ways making music easier to listen to as there isn't much going on and you can focus on the lyrics, orchestral layout focuses on the music and you can have really stupid lyrics and the song will still be good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids in general hate classical music.As they do n't have the listening skills yet to enjoy it.Non-Orchestral music which is popular today is rather light in texture .
Vocal , Guitar ( s ) , Bass , Drums vs. a full orchestra Violins , Violas , Cellos , Contrabass ( for a string orchestra popular during the classical period ) expenanded to Trumpits , Tubas , French Hones , Trombones , Flues , Oboes , Clarinetist , Timpani , and a variety of percussion having a much layered and complex set of works.The " Rock Band " Layout was based on the Minimalistic Movement of having just enough to do what you need .
In many ways making music easier to listen to as there is n't much going on and you can focus on the lyrics , orchestral layout focuses on the music and you can have really stupid lyrics and the song will still be good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids in general hate classical music.As they don't have the listening skills yet to enjoy it.Non-Orchestral music which is popular today is rather light in texture.
Vocal, Guitar(s), Bass, Drums  vs. a full orchestra Violins, Violas, Cellos, Contrabass (for a string orchestra popular during the classical period) expenanded to Trumpits, Tubas, French Hones, Trombones, Flues, Oboes, Clarinetist, Timpani, and a variety of percussion  having a much layered and complex set of works.The "Rock Band" Layout was based on the Minimalistic Movement of having just enough to do what you need.
In many ways making music easier to listen to as there isn't much going on and you can focus on the lyrics, orchestral layout focuses on the music and you can have really stupid lyrics and the song will still be good.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Great...</title>
	<author>Pentium100</author>
	<datestamp>1267645320000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry. If this method is continued then, by natural selection, more and more young people will stop hating classical music and may even start liking it. The cool guys will be those who can finish the graffiti or whatever before running away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry .
If this method is continued then , by natural selection , more and more young people will stop hating classical music and may even start liking it .
The cool guys will be those who can finish the graffiti or whatever before running away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry.
If this method is continued then, by natural selection, more and more young people will stop hating classical music and may even start liking it.
The cool guys will be those who can finish the graffiti or whatever before running away.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Ask the Artists</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1267645440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>One might ask what the artists would think of this usage?</p><p>Fortunately, we have a pretty similar situation with more current music being used a torture device against Guantanamo detainess, and the rock musicians who protested against that usage:</p><p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,672177,00.html" title="spiegel.de">http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,672177,00.html</a> [spiegel.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One might ask what the artists would think of this usage ? Fortunately , we have a pretty similar situation with more current music being used a torture device against Guantanamo detainess , and the rock musicians who protested against that usage : http : //www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,672177,00.html [ spiegel.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One might ask what the artists would think of this usage?Fortunately, we have a pretty similar situation with more current music being used a torture device against Guantanamo detainess, and the rock musicians who protested against that usage:http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,672177,00.html [spiegel.de]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>FreeUser</author>
	<datestamp>1267700880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>really don't know about the UK, but is there really such a big problem with "unruly youths" that you have to bombard them with "deterrents" that seem to come from the privy closet of Marquis de Sade?</i></p><p>Yes.</p><p>(I say this as an American living over here who has to listen to these gangs of kids roaming the neighbourhood all night, smashing things and vandalising the place, and I happen to live in a very good neighbourhood not far from our erstwhile prime minister.  It was even worse when I lived on the South Bank.)</p><p>I don't know what happened in UK society (it was obviuosly before I lived here)...hell, I don't understand what went wrong in American society to bring our fascist right-wing wackos out like postnuclear cockroaches, so I certainly cannot begin to divine what happened on this side of the pond.  Certainly basic politeness, for which the UK was known for so long, has all but vanished, replaced by belligerance and in-your-face animosity as a default greeting that makes us Americans look downright polite by comparison (go figure).  Whether it is down to this, or some more fundamental cultural misfiring I really don't know.  What I do know, from personal experience, is that there are a bunch of kids over here (a small minority, but still more than enough) that are completely out of control and downright dangerous, and unlike the US, they don't stay tucked away in "the bad part of town", they roam everywhere and wreak havoc all over the place.  If you're extremely unlucky, you own a house worth less than your mortgage in an area they like to roam, in which case you're pretty much finished (thank [deity] I didn't buy during the boom years).</p><p>Playing classical music is hardly out of the Marquis de Sade playbook, and if it pushes the yobs on down the road, then I'm all for it.  Beats having the police around to crack heads...which was Chicago's solution to a similar problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>really do n't know about the UK , but is there really such a big problem with " unruly youths " that you have to bombard them with " deterrents " that seem to come from the privy closet of Marquis de Sade ? Yes .
( I say this as an American living over here who has to listen to these gangs of kids roaming the neighbourhood all night , smashing things and vandalising the place , and I happen to live in a very good neighbourhood not far from our erstwhile prime minister .
It was even worse when I lived on the South Bank .
) I do n't know what happened in UK society ( it was obviuosly before I lived here ) ...hell , I do n't understand what went wrong in American society to bring our fascist right-wing wackos out like postnuclear cockroaches , so I certainly can not begin to divine what happened on this side of the pond .
Certainly basic politeness , for which the UK was known for so long , has all but vanished , replaced by belligerance and in-your-face animosity as a default greeting that makes us Americans look downright polite by comparison ( go figure ) .
Whether it is down to this , or some more fundamental cultural misfiring I really do n't know .
What I do know , from personal experience , is that there are a bunch of kids over here ( a small minority , but still more than enough ) that are completely out of control and downright dangerous , and unlike the US , they do n't stay tucked away in " the bad part of town " , they roam everywhere and wreak havoc all over the place .
If you 're extremely unlucky , you own a house worth less than your mortgage in an area they like to roam , in which case you 're pretty much finished ( thank [ deity ] I did n't buy during the boom years ) .Playing classical music is hardly out of the Marquis de Sade playbook , and if it pushes the yobs on down the road , then I 'm all for it .
Beats having the police around to crack heads...which was Chicago 's solution to a similar problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really don't know about the UK, but is there really such a big problem with "unruly youths" that you have to bombard them with "deterrents" that seem to come from the privy closet of Marquis de Sade?Yes.
(I say this as an American living over here who has to listen to these gangs of kids roaming the neighbourhood all night, smashing things and vandalising the place, and I happen to live in a very good neighbourhood not far from our erstwhile prime minister.
It was even worse when I lived on the South Bank.
)I don't know what happened in UK society (it was obviuosly before I lived here)...hell, I don't understand what went wrong in American society to bring our fascist right-wing wackos out like postnuclear cockroaches, so I certainly cannot begin to divine what happened on this side of the pond.
Certainly basic politeness, for which the UK was known for so long, has all but vanished, replaced by belligerance and in-your-face animosity as a default greeting that makes us Americans look downright polite by comparison (go figure).
Whether it is down to this, or some more fundamental cultural misfiring I really don't know.
What I do know, from personal experience, is that there are a bunch of kids over here (a small minority, but still more than enough) that are completely out of control and downright dangerous, and unlike the US, they don't stay tucked away in "the bad part of town", they roam everywhere and wreak havoc all over the place.
If you're extremely unlucky, you own a house worth less than your mortgage in an area they like to roam, in which case you're pretty much finished (thank [deity] I didn't buy during the boom years).Playing classical music is hardly out of the Marquis de Sade playbook, and if it pushes the yobs on down the road, then I'm all for it.
Beats having the police around to crack heads...which was Chicago's solution to a similar problem.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267708560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I would love to come up with some insightful, scathing comment, but as per usual, the slashdot captcha magic-8-balls-up the reason for me: employer.</p><p>In the UK, we aren't anti-youth, it's just that our class divisions are manifested differently to other countries' class divisions. When people appear to be anti-youth, they are really being anti-poor people. They victimise the youth of poor people because they are the least likely to fight back.</p><p>And who do these divisions benefit? The ones sitting on the capital, of course (who probably have a kid with a mod point they are itching to use on a dissenting AC).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would love to come up with some insightful , scathing comment , but as per usual , the slashdot captcha magic-8-balls-up the reason for me : employer.In the UK , we are n't anti-youth , it 's just that our class divisions are manifested differently to other countries ' class divisions .
When people appear to be anti-youth , they are really being anti-poor people .
They victimise the youth of poor people because they are the least likely to fight back.And who do these divisions benefit ?
The ones sitting on the capital , of course ( who probably have a kid with a mod point they are itching to use on a dissenting AC ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would love to come up with some insightful, scathing comment, but as per usual, the slashdot captcha magic-8-balls-up the reason for me: employer.In the UK, we aren't anti-youth, it's just that our class divisions are manifested differently to other countries' class divisions.
When people appear to be anti-youth, they are really being anti-poor people.
They victimise the youth of poor people because they are the least likely to fight back.And who do these divisions benefit?
The ones sitting on the capital, of course (who probably have a kid with a mod point they are itching to use on a dissenting AC).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1267695360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.</p><p>I do, as I lived there, in one of the worst places regarding this (Liverpool) for about 4 years. Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.</p><p>As an example, I know that if a kid commits a crime, the most that can happen to them is to get an "Asbo" (anti social behaviour order). I know some of them get a bracelet "asbo" for each crime. What is the result? the kids brag about who has more bracelets, because he is more "evil" or whatnot.</p><p>In the time I lived there, a colleague of mine was hit by a paintball pellet in the eye while riding his bike from his Univ. office to his home; my flatmate was attacked by a van with kids shooting paintball pellets; another friend was thrown a car at him; another friend was walking at the street when some guys approached, took their glasses from his face and threw them (breaking them of course) to the ground. All this "just because". Oh yeah, and a Spanish friend was attacked and got his leg broken in 2 places.</p><p>You see, the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves, according to English law, they would be attacking/harassing minors. And, because in addition we are foreigners (mainly PhD students) we would in addition be thrown out of the country.</p><p>So yeah, in effect kids in the UK are pretty evil. But I agree with some of your posts in that the problem is not youths themselves but the general system who has forged them like that.</p><p>What I saw while living there is that parents do not care about their children and their education. The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime. If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult. That way parents can continue to have the "freedom" of raising their kids as they want, but if the kids mess up, they will get the consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.I do , as I lived there , in one of the worst places regarding this ( Liverpool ) for about 4 years .
Kids there do not care about anything , and as they know they have immunity , they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.As an example , I know that if a kid commits a crime , the most that can happen to them is to get an " Asbo " ( anti social behaviour order ) .
I know some of them get a bracelet " asbo " for each crime .
What is the result ?
the kids brag about who has more bracelets , because he is more " evil " or whatnot.In the time I lived there , a colleague of mine was hit by a paintball pellet in the eye while riding his bike from his Univ .
office to his home ; my flatmate was attacked by a van with kids shooting paintball pellets ; another friend was thrown a car at him ; another friend was walking at the street when some guys approached , took their glasses from his face and threw them ( breaking them of course ) to the ground .
All this " just because " .
Oh yeah , and a Spanish friend was attacked and got his leg broken in 2 places.You see , the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves , according to English law , they would be attacking/harassing minors .
And , because in addition we are foreigners ( mainly PhD students ) we would in addition be thrown out of the country.So yeah , in effect kids in the UK are pretty evil .
But I agree with some of your posts in that the problem is not youths themselves but the general system who has forged them like that.What I saw while living there is that parents do not care about their children and their education .
The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions : If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime .
If a kid robbed , then it is YOU who pay for the crime , as an adult .
That way parents can continue to have the " freedom " of raising their kids as they want , but if the kids mess up , they will get the consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.I do, as I lived there, in one of the worst places regarding this (Liverpool) for about 4 years.
Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.As an example, I know that if a kid commits a crime, the most that can happen to them is to get an "Asbo" (anti social behaviour order).
I know some of them get a bracelet "asbo" for each crime.
What is the result?
the kids brag about who has more bracelets, because he is more "evil" or whatnot.In the time I lived there, a colleague of mine was hit by a paintball pellet in the eye while riding his bike from his Univ.
office to his home; my flatmate was attacked by a van with kids shooting paintball pellets; another friend was thrown a car at him; another friend was walking at the street when some guys approached, took their glasses from his face and threw them (breaking them of course) to the ground.
All this "just because".
Oh yeah, and a Spanish friend was attacked and got his leg broken in 2 places.You see, the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves, according to English law, they would be attacking/harassing minors.
And, because in addition we are foreigners (mainly PhD students) we would in addition be thrown out of the country.So yeah, in effect kids in the UK are pretty evil.
But I agree with some of your posts in that the problem is not youths themselves but the general system who has forged them like that.What I saw while living there is that parents do not care about their children and their education.
The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime.
If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.
That way parents can continue to have the "freedom" of raising their kids as they want, but if the kids mess up, they will get the consequences.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267708440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know which parts of London you frequent, or how much of an asshole you must be to receive "in-your-face animosity" as a default greeting there, but your generalizations about the UK are ridiculous and don't match most people's experience of London itself, let alone the rest of the country.</p><p>I strongly suspect that you are not in fact living in a good neighbourhood.  The UK is by no means alone in having the odd bad neighbourhood within cities of over 2 million people.</p><p>I also can't help wondering how (and in what circumstances) you are "greeting" people on the street.  But judging from your overall tone, I think I can guess.</p><p>Suggest you buy a house outside the UK's most densely-populated city.  Or, preferably, leave the country entirely and take your blinkered generalizations with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know which parts of London you frequent , or how much of an asshole you must be to receive " in-your-face animosity " as a default greeting there , but your generalizations about the UK are ridiculous and do n't match most people 's experience of London itself , let alone the rest of the country.I strongly suspect that you are not in fact living in a good neighbourhood .
The UK is by no means alone in having the odd bad neighbourhood within cities of over 2 million people.I also ca n't help wondering how ( and in what circumstances ) you are " greeting " people on the street .
But judging from your overall tone , I think I can guess.Suggest you buy a house outside the UK 's most densely-populated city .
Or , preferably , leave the country entirely and take your blinkered generalizations with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know which parts of London you frequent, or how much of an asshole you must be to receive "in-your-face animosity" as a default greeting there, but your generalizations about the UK are ridiculous and don't match most people's experience of London itself, let alone the rest of the country.I strongly suspect that you are not in fact living in a good neighbourhood.
The UK is by no means alone in having the odd bad neighbourhood within cities of over 2 million people.I also can't help wondering how (and in what circumstances) you are "greeting" people on the street.
But judging from your overall tone, I think I can guess.Suggest you buy a house outside the UK's most densely-populated city.
Or, preferably, leave the country entirely and take your blinkered generalizations with you.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1267725480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime. If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.</i></p><p>The rest of the world raises their kids just fine without such draconian procedures.  I'd suggest you find out how they do it and copy them instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions : If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime .
If a kid robbed , then it is YOU who pay for the crime , as an adult.The rest of the world raises their kids just fine without such draconian procedures .
I 'd suggest you find out how they do it and copy them instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime.
If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.The rest of the world raises their kids just fine without such draconian procedures.
I'd suggest you find out how they do it and copy them instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31358334</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1267720620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Someday soon, we'll be blasting death metal in nursing homes...</p></div><p>Well, given the ageing of the population, the advance of medicine prolonging life, rthe various "Letter"-Generation getting old, etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...the population of nursing home will actually *ask* for death metal.</p><p>(And the nurse would wonder what's wrong in playing "nU b1p-c0re" out loud on their Google iPhone 5G. And why some elderly politician wants to outlaw it on the grounds it corrupts the youth)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Someday soon , we 'll be blasting death metal in nursing homes...Well , given the ageing of the population , the advance of medicine prolonging life , rthe various " Letter " -Generation getting old , etc .
...the population of nursing home will actually * ask * for death metal .
( And the nurse would wonder what 's wrong in playing " nU b1p-c0re " out loud on their Google iPhone 5G .
And why some elderly politician wants to outlaw it on the grounds it corrupts the youth )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someday soon, we'll be blasting death metal in nursing homes...Well, given the ageing of the population, the advance of medicine prolonging life, rthe various "Letter"-Generation getting old, etc.
...the population of nursing home will actually *ask* for death metal.
(And the nurse would wonder what's wrong in playing "nU b1p-c0re" out loud on their Google iPhone 5G.
And why some elderly politician wants to outlaw it on the grounds it corrupts the youth)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31370726</id>
	<title>Re:A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>BoothbyTCD</author>
	<datestamp>1267803480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is of course why the movie is worse then the book, as they left out the last chapter. The 21st chapter, a number symbolic of adulthood, where Alex discovers on his own that the violence of his youth has stop being as appealing, even without external enforcement. In other words, he grows up. Thus the whole meaning of the story is changed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is of course why the movie is worse then the book , as they left out the last chapter .
The 21st chapter , a number symbolic of adulthood , where Alex discovers on his own that the violence of his youth has stop being as appealing , even without external enforcement .
In other words , he grows up .
Thus the whole meaning of the story is changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is of course why the movie is worse then the book, as they left out the last chapter.
The 21st chapter, a number symbolic of adulthood, where Alex discovers on his own that the violence of his youth has stop being as appealing, even without external enforcement.
In other words, he grows up.
Thus the whole meaning of the story is changed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356114</id>
	<title>Re: almost a haiku...</title>
	<author>neonsignal</author>
	<datestamp>1267700880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>groups of retirees<br>
loitering around bus stops<br>
Vivaldi's bullies</htmltext>
<tokenext>groups of retirees loitering around bus stops Vivaldi 's bullies</tokentext>
<sentencetext>groups of retirees
loitering around bus stops
Vivaldi's bullies</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355488</id>
	<title>Re:Of course</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267736100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strange. We're thinking of the children when we strip away the freedoms of the adults, and appearantly we're thinking of the adults when we're stripping away the freedoms of our kids. In other words, when we're taking away from everyone, we make everyone happy... or something like that must be the logic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange .
We 're thinking of the children when we strip away the freedoms of the adults , and appearantly we 're thinking of the adults when we 're stripping away the freedoms of our kids .
In other words , when we 're taking away from everyone , we make everyone happy... or something like that must be the logic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange.
We're thinking of the children when we strip away the freedoms of the adults, and appearantly we're thinking of the adults when we're stripping away the freedoms of our kids.
In other words, when we're taking away from everyone, we make everyone happy... or something like that must be the logic.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:They'll grow to like it and...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267703040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i have heard of an afterbirth being born. even babies!<br>but a rebirth being born?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i have heard of an afterbirth being born .
even babies ! but a rebirth being born ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i have heard of an afterbirth being born.
even babies!but a rebirth being born?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356874</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>faboo</author>
	<datestamp>1267710720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate</p><p>In fact, your taste in music is based in very large part on the societal training you get as a child and young adult. Favors to rhythms, tonal quality, distance between the frequency of notes - all of that is determined by what you're exposed to during your life.</p><p>And as a counter example: I love baroque era music, but romantic era music makes me ill. It isn't that there are absolute reasons why baroque music is pleasing or romantic music is abhorrent - it's just a quirk of my musical upbringing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciateIn fact , your taste in music is based in very large part on the societal training you get as a child and young adult .
Favors to rhythms , tonal quality , distance between the frequency of notes - all of that is determined by what you 're exposed to during your life.And as a counter example : I love baroque era music , but romantic era music makes me ill. It is n't that there are absolute reasons why baroque music is pleasing or romantic music is abhorrent - it 's just a quirk of my musical upbringing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciateIn fact, your taste in music is based in very large part on the societal training you get as a child and young adult.
Favors to rhythms, tonal quality, distance between the frequency of notes - all of that is determined by what you're exposed to during your life.And as a counter example: I love baroque era music, but romantic era music makes me ill. It isn't that there are absolute reasons why baroque music is pleasing or romantic music is abhorrent - it's just a quirk of my musical upbringing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356030</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>j-b0y</author>
	<datestamp>1267699560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or vicious gangs of Keep Left signs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or vicious gangs of Keep Left signs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or vicious gangs of Keep Left signs</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267729500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.</p></div></blockquote><p>I agree. Absolving children of the responsibility for their own actions is the worst kind of signal to send them.</p><blockquote><div><p>The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime. If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult. That way parents can continue to have the "freedom" of raising their kids as they want, but if the kids mess up, they will get the consequences.</p></div></blockquote><p>Wait, what? One moment you're making it clear that the lack of personal responsibility is the problem, then you're making the PARENTS 100\% responsible and sticking them in jail? Sure they might be shitty parents, and a fine might be in order here, but sticking them in jail and letting the kids walk (or walk with a far lighter sentence) won't fix it either. The problem is that the kids aren't learning about consequences for their actions early on. They're either getting NO penalties (the current situation) or delayed penalties, e.g. the difficulty of getting a job some time down the road with criminal history in your past. (I'm not certain about how records as a minor are handled in the UK, so they may not even get the eventual penalties at all)</p><p>I'm not advocating turning the kids in to enemies of the state; they aren't. They're just kids being jackasses. It's what kids do. But the extreme cases are obviously an indication that a lot of them need help and need to learn personal responsibility. Not have the consequences shifted from "nobody" to "mom and dad" without any personal accountability. I don't believe in law for the sake of law, but I do believe in taking responsibility for your actions by facing the consequences for them without excuses.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Kids there do not care about anything , and as they know they have immunity , they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.I agree .
Absolving children of the responsibility for their own actions is the worst kind of signal to send them.The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions : If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime .
If a kid robbed , then it is YOU who pay for the crime , as an adult .
That way parents can continue to have the " freedom " of raising their kids as they want , but if the kids mess up , they will get the consequences.Wait , what ?
One moment you 're making it clear that the lack of personal responsibility is the problem , then you 're making the PARENTS 100 \ % responsible and sticking them in jail ?
Sure they might be shitty parents , and a fine might be in order here , but sticking them in jail and letting the kids walk ( or walk with a far lighter sentence ) wo n't fix it either .
The problem is that the kids are n't learning about consequences for their actions early on .
They 're either getting NO penalties ( the current situation ) or delayed penalties , e.g .
the difficulty of getting a job some time down the road with criminal history in your past .
( I 'm not certain about how records as a minor are handled in the UK , so they may not even get the eventual penalties at all ) I 'm not advocating turning the kids in to enemies of the state ; they are n't .
They 're just kids being jackasses .
It 's what kids do .
But the extreme cases are obviously an indication that a lot of them need help and need to learn personal responsibility .
Not have the consequences shifted from " nobody " to " mom and dad " without any personal accountability .
I do n't believe in law for the sake of law , but I do believe in taking responsibility for your actions by facing the consequences for them without excuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.I agree.
Absolving children of the responsibility for their own actions is the worst kind of signal to send them.The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime.
If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.
That way parents can continue to have the "freedom" of raising their kids as they want, but if the kids mess up, they will get the consequences.Wait, what?
One moment you're making it clear that the lack of personal responsibility is the problem, then you're making the PARENTS 100\% responsible and sticking them in jail?
Sure they might be shitty parents, and a fine might be in order here, but sticking them in jail and letting the kids walk (or walk with a far lighter sentence) won't fix it either.
The problem is that the kids aren't learning about consequences for their actions early on.
They're either getting NO penalties (the current situation) or delayed penalties, e.g.
the difficulty of getting a job some time down the road with criminal history in your past.
(I'm not certain about how records as a minor are handled in the UK, so they may not even get the eventual penalties at all)I'm not advocating turning the kids in to enemies of the state; they aren't.
They're just kids being jackasses.
It's what kids do.
But the extreme cases are obviously an indication that a lot of them need help and need to learn personal responsibility.
Not have the consequences shifted from "nobody" to "mom and dad" without any personal accountability.
I don't believe in law for the sake of law, but I do believe in taking responsibility for your actions by facing the consequences for them without excuses.
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	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1267694340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Classical music is quite enjoyable. You can point to plenty of musical/acoustic reasons why this is the case, as in the songs feature things that people find pleasing to hear. It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate because it is all intellectual or something, and the actual sound is awful, it is simply nice to listen to.</i> <br> <br>The reason for this is that only music people like to listen to ever becomes "classical".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Classical music is quite enjoyable .
You can point to plenty of musical/acoustic reasons why this is the case , as in the songs feature things that people find pleasing to hear .
It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate because it is all intellectual or something , and the actual sound is awful , it is simply nice to listen to .
The reason for this is that only music people like to listen to ever becomes " classical " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Classical music is quite enjoyable.
You can point to plenty of musical/acoustic reasons why this is the case, as in the songs feature things that people find pleasing to hear.
It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate because it is all intellectual or something, and the actual sound is awful, it is simply nice to listen to.
The reason for this is that only music people like to listen to ever becomes "classical".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359916</id>
	<title>7/11</title>
	<author>message144</author>
	<datestamp>1267727220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 7/11 mini marts in Los Angeles, California have been doing this for over a decade to repel gangs and homeless persons. The biggest problem is that over time the "undesireables" have beecome desensitized to the classical music and have aquired an immunity to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 7/11 mini marts in Los Angeles , California have been doing this for over a decade to repel gangs and homeless persons .
The biggest problem is that over time the " undesireables " have beecome desensitized to the classical music and have aquired an immunity to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 7/11 mini marts in Los Angeles, California have been doing this for over a decade to repel gangs and homeless persons.
The biggest problem is that over time the "undesireables" have beecome desensitized to the classical music and have aquired an immunity to it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267710180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Yeah I though that too when I was younger - I figured I just wasn't old enough to appreciate the nuances, or that I was looking for the wrong thing etc. But that hasn't changed - I still find most pieces of classical music that I've heard to be very dis-jointed and jarring to listen to. I don't find the cacophony of sounds and harmonies to be quite as pleasant as the few well placed beats and notes of a decent modern track. It's certainly not something I would refer to as 'catchy', it doesn't have me humming along at the time, or trying to tap out after I've heard it.</p><p>That said however, I don't find that many modern tracks that I would consider to be of a decent quality either. So maybe it's just down to my lesser exposure to a variety of classical music (or the lesser variety of classical music available/in existence compared to modern) compared to the vast quantity and range of music available to us today.</p><p>I do appreciate the technical difficulty of playing a classical piece, and can appreciate certain modern tracks when they have been played by orchestra's - the London Philharmonic doing the more famous Pink Floyd tracks immediately springs to mind - but that is an appreciation for a track I liked on electric instruments being given a different life and taking a different tone due to the instruments being used - I do not consider it to be classical music just because it is played on classical instruments (maybe that's where we disagree?).</p><p>I wholly disagree with your suggestion that the primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a "cool factor thing" - while it may be true for some - I content that the music itself is simply not relevant to people today, we are less impressed by the sound of just one note being held on a string instrument than we are by a well formed beat or bass line. Moreover, I would suggest that the opposite of your suggestion is true; when you grow up you feel the need to partake in supposed sophisticated activities more often as a way of distancing yourself from the ever-increasing 'obvious' immaturity of youth (which is of course a perception issue). While I too have felt this pull (the impact of actually being the property ladder and thinking about pensions/wills etc. is still being felt in my household<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:s), I find it just as stupid to try and force yourself into liking things that just don't come naturally, as it would be to dislike it due to inverted snobbery.</p><p>Though I still can't understand how anyone can find it so horrible that they would actually stay away from areas where it is being played - in fact I can't understand how it hasn't has the opposite effect, as many teens in my area seem to delight in staying places where they know they're not wanted? One method which does work and yet doesn't surprise me at all, comes from the tourists shops on Princess St. (the main high-street) in Edinburgh - where they pipe out some of the crappiest stereotypical 'Scotch' (deliberate misspelling) tourist tripe, apparently in an effort to <i>attract</i> customers - however I have literally seen groups of people run for shelter when the music is turned on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah I though that too when I was younger - I figured I just was n't old enough to appreciate the nuances , or that I was looking for the wrong thing etc .
But that has n't changed - I still find most pieces of classical music that I 've heard to be very dis-jointed and jarring to listen to .
I do n't find the cacophony of sounds and harmonies to be quite as pleasant as the few well placed beats and notes of a decent modern track .
It 's certainly not something I would refer to as 'catchy ' , it does n't have me humming along at the time , or trying to tap out after I 've heard it.That said however , I do n't find that many modern tracks that I would consider to be of a decent quality either .
So maybe it 's just down to my lesser exposure to a variety of classical music ( or the lesser variety of classical music available/in existence compared to modern ) compared to the vast quantity and range of music available to us today.I do appreciate the technical difficulty of playing a classical piece , and can appreciate certain modern tracks when they have been played by orchestra 's - the London Philharmonic doing the more famous Pink Floyd tracks immediately springs to mind - but that is an appreciation for a track I liked on electric instruments being given a different life and taking a different tone due to the instruments being used - I do not consider it to be classical music just because it is played on classical instruments ( maybe that 's where we disagree ?
) .I wholly disagree with your suggestion that the primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a " cool factor thing " - while it may be true for some - I content that the music itself is simply not relevant to people today , we are less impressed by the sound of just one note being held on a string instrument than we are by a well formed beat or bass line .
Moreover , I would suggest that the opposite of your suggestion is true ; when you grow up you feel the need to partake in supposed sophisticated activities more often as a way of distancing yourself from the ever-increasing 'obvious ' immaturity of youth ( which is of course a perception issue ) .
While I too have felt this pull ( the impact of actually being the property ladder and thinking about pensions/wills etc .
is still being felt in my household : s ) , I find it just as stupid to try and force yourself into liking things that just do n't come naturally , as it would be to dislike it due to inverted snobbery.Though I still ca n't understand how anyone can find it so horrible that they would actually stay away from areas where it is being played - in fact I ca n't understand how it has n't has the opposite effect , as many teens in my area seem to delight in staying places where they know they 're not wanted ?
One method which does work and yet does n't surprise me at all , comes from the tourists shops on Princess St. ( the main high-street ) in Edinburgh - where they pipe out some of the crappiest stereotypical 'Scotch ' ( deliberate misspelling ) tourist tripe , apparently in an effort to attract customers - however I have literally seen groups of people run for shelter when the music is turned on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah I though that too when I was younger - I figured I just wasn't old enough to appreciate the nuances, or that I was looking for the wrong thing etc.
But that hasn't changed - I still find most pieces of classical music that I've heard to be very dis-jointed and jarring to listen to.
I don't find the cacophony of sounds and harmonies to be quite as pleasant as the few well placed beats and notes of a decent modern track.
It's certainly not something I would refer to as 'catchy', it doesn't have me humming along at the time, or trying to tap out after I've heard it.That said however, I don't find that many modern tracks that I would consider to be of a decent quality either.
So maybe it's just down to my lesser exposure to a variety of classical music (or the lesser variety of classical music available/in existence compared to modern) compared to the vast quantity and range of music available to us today.I do appreciate the technical difficulty of playing a classical piece, and can appreciate certain modern tracks when they have been played by orchestra's - the London Philharmonic doing the more famous Pink Floyd tracks immediately springs to mind - but that is an appreciation for a track I liked on electric instruments being given a different life and taking a different tone due to the instruments being used - I do not consider it to be classical music just because it is played on classical instruments (maybe that's where we disagree?
).I wholly disagree with your suggestion that the primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a "cool factor thing" - while it may be true for some - I content that the music itself is simply not relevant to people today, we are less impressed by the sound of just one note being held on a string instrument than we are by a well formed beat or bass line.
Moreover, I would suggest that the opposite of your suggestion is true; when you grow up you feel the need to partake in supposed sophisticated activities more often as a way of distancing yourself from the ever-increasing 'obvious' immaturity of youth (which is of course a perception issue).
While I too have felt this pull (the impact of actually being the property ladder and thinking about pensions/wills etc.
is still being felt in my household :s), I find it just as stupid to try and force yourself into liking things that just don't come naturally, as it would be to dislike it due to inverted snobbery.Though I still can't understand how anyone can find it so horrible that they would actually stay away from areas where it is being played - in fact I can't understand how it hasn't has the opposite effect, as many teens in my area seem to delight in staying places where they know they're not wanted?
One method which does work and yet doesn't surprise me at all, comes from the tourists shops on Princess St. (the main high-street) in Edinburgh - where they pipe out some of the crappiest stereotypical 'Scotch' (deliberate misspelling) tourist tripe, apparently in an effort to attract customers - however I have literally seen groups of people run for shelter when the music is turned on.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>OhHellWithIt</author>
	<datestamp>1267717140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Actually, most of the Mozart that I've ever heard has a fairly small dynamic range. He seemed to rely on weaving together patterns of notes. You'll generally see more of that with Beethoven and some of the others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , most of the Mozart that I 've ever heard has a fairly small dynamic range .
He seemed to rely on weaving together patterns of notes .
You 'll generally see more of that with Beethoven and some of the others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, most of the Mozart that I've ever heard has a fairly small dynamic range.
He seemed to rely on weaving together patterns of notes.
You'll generally see more of that with Beethoven and some of the others.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:So?</title>
	<author>MindlessAutomata</author>
	<datestamp>1267712280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It is a basic fact of psychology that pairing something with a punishment (assuming that something isn't desirable enough to override the punishment's effect) will likely condition the subject to associate that something with punishment or otherwise dislike it.  It's basic classical conditioning--do something wrong, get an electrical shock, the subject is less likely to repeat that behavior.  Naturally, though, context may modify the effect of the conditioning...</p><p>Make kids sit around in boredom (they'd much rather be somewhere else) against their will piping classical music at them will possibly just give them to associate classical music with... uh, negative things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a basic fact of psychology that pairing something with a punishment ( assuming that something is n't desirable enough to override the punishment 's effect ) will likely condition the subject to associate that something with punishment or otherwise dislike it .
It 's basic classical conditioning--do something wrong , get an electrical shock , the subject is less likely to repeat that behavior .
Naturally , though , context may modify the effect of the conditioning...Make kids sit around in boredom ( they 'd much rather be somewhere else ) against their will piping classical music at them will possibly just give them to associate classical music with... uh , negative things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a basic fact of psychology that pairing something with a punishment (assuming that something isn't desirable enough to override the punishment's effect) will likely condition the subject to associate that something with punishment or otherwise dislike it.
It's basic classical conditioning--do something wrong, get an electrical shock, the subject is less likely to repeat that behavior.
Naturally, though, context may modify the effect of the conditioning...Make kids sit around in boredom (they'd much rather be somewhere else) against their will piping classical music at them will possibly just give them to associate classical music with... uh, negative things.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267724520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Perhaps they resent being stuffed into an underclass? That has been known to create resentment and the sorts of crimes you're talking about sound like natural human responses to resentment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps they resent being stuffed into an underclass ?
That has been known to create resentment and the sorts of crimes you 're talking about sound like natural human responses to resentment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps they resent being stuffed into an underclass?
That has been known to create resentment and the sorts of crimes you're talking about sound like natural human responses to resentment.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1267707060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.</p><p>...</p><p>Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism.</p><p>...</p><p>You see, the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves, according to English law, they would be attacking/harassing minors.</p></div><p>So how about we change the law as a deterrant, instead of blaring classical music as a deterrant?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So yeah, in effect kids in the UK are pretty evil.</p></div><p>That's not what you're describing at all.  It's a broken system, not broken people.  YOU try learning to respect others in a country that systematically encourages you not to.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime. If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult. That way parents can continue to have the "freedom" of raising their kids as they want, but if the kids mess up, they will get the consequences.</p></div><p>That's kind of a dumb idea.  How about the kids suffer the consequences for their own actions, instead of the current system where (if your description is correct) there are no consequences?  Seems like a fix to me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom....Kids there do not care about anything , and as they know they have immunity , they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism....You see , the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves , according to English law , they would be attacking/harassing minors.So how about we change the law as a deterrant , instead of blaring classical music as a deterrant ? So yeah , in effect kids in the UK are pretty evil.That 's not what you 're describing at all .
It 's a broken system , not broken people .
YOU try learning to respect others in a country that systematically encourages you not to .
The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions : If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime .
If a kid robbed , then it is YOU who pay for the crime , as an adult .
That way parents can continue to have the " freedom " of raising their kids as they want , but if the kids mess up , they will get the consequences.That 's kind of a dumb idea .
How about the kids suffer the consequences for their own actions , instead of the current system where ( if your description is correct ) there are no consequences ?
Seems like a fix to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom....Kids there do not care about anything, and as they know they have immunity, they will get into gangs just to do all sorts of vandalism....You see, the problem with this is that if any of these friends tried to defend themselves, according to English law, they would be attacking/harassing minors.So how about we change the law as a deterrant, instead of blaring classical music as a deterrant?So yeah, in effect kids in the UK are pretty evil.That's not what you're describing at all.
It's a broken system, not broken people.
YOU try learning to respect others in a country that systematically encourages you not to.
The government should make parents directly accountable for their kids actions: If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime.
If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.
That way parents can continue to have the "freedom" of raising their kids as they want, but if the kids mess up, they will get the consequences.That's kind of a dumb idea.
How about the kids suffer the consequences for their own actions, instead of the current system where (if your description is correct) there are no consequences?
Seems like a fix to me.
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	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267735200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Easy, Iron Maiden and KoRn will solve that problem easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy , Iron Maiden and KoRn will solve that problem easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy, Iron Maiden and KoRn will solve that problem easily.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This tactic is being used against adults also.</title>
	<author>josquin9</author>
	<datestamp>1267717380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Where I live there is a notorious corner for crack cocain, prostitution, bloody fights, and anything you can imagine.</p><p>Despite constant city owned surveillance equipment the activity continues.</p><p>The local Diner installed speakers and pipes out jazz, classical, etc. I find it to be kind of nice mood music, for an elevator.</p><p>
&nbsp; It has cut down on the drug dealers, kids hanging out, street performers, and the homeless who are normally sitting on the sidewalk asking for change. Apparently the softly played music is enough of an annoyance that they go away.</p><p>Miles Davis - 1<br>Bach - 1<br>Panoptic sort - 0</p></div><p>So their response to prostitution and bloody fights was sax and violins?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Where I live there is a notorious corner for crack cocain , prostitution , bloody fights , and anything you can imagine.Despite constant city owned surveillance equipment the activity continues.The local Diner installed speakers and pipes out jazz , classical , etc .
I find it to be kind of nice mood music , for an elevator .
  It has cut down on the drug dealers , kids hanging out , street performers , and the homeless who are normally sitting on the sidewalk asking for change .
Apparently the softly played music is enough of an annoyance that they go away.Miles Davis - 1Bach - 1Panoptic sort - 0So their response to prostitution and bloody fights was sax and violins ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Where I live there is a notorious corner for crack cocain, prostitution, bloody fights, and anything you can imagine.Despite constant city owned surveillance equipment the activity continues.The local Diner installed speakers and pipes out jazz, classical, etc.
I find it to be kind of nice mood music, for an elevator.
  It has cut down on the drug dealers, kids hanging out, street performers, and the homeless who are normally sitting on the sidewalk asking for change.
Apparently the softly played music is enough of an annoyance that they go away.Miles Davis - 1Bach - 1Panoptic sort - 0So their response to prostitution and bloody fights was sax and violins?
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	<title>Next problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Groups of retired people, hanging around busstops.<br>Pestering innocent by-passers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Groups of retired people , hanging around busstops.Pestering innocent by-passers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Groups of retired people, hanging around busstops.Pestering innocent by-passers...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267696380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You either like music or you don't, I REALLY REALLY doubt playing classical music is going to change the opinions of ANYONE.  Did elevator music turn anyone off of being a musician?  Come on man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You either like music or you do n't , I REALLY REALLY doubt playing classical music is going to change the opinions of ANYONE .
Did elevator music turn anyone off of being a musician ?
Come on man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You either like music or you don't, I REALLY REALLY doubt playing classical music is going to change the opinions of ANYONE.
Did elevator music turn anyone off of being a musician?
Come on man.</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is obviously --</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1267719720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>-- cruel and unusual punishment.</p><p>On top of that, if schools (in general) were actually teaching good basic information that children need and can use in life, instead of them becoming more and more social indoctrination clinics, such odd solutions as the one in the article would not even need to be considered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-- cruel and unusual punishment.On top of that , if schools ( in general ) were actually teaching good basic information that children need and can use in life , instead of them becoming more and more social indoctrination clinics , such odd solutions as the one in the article would not even need to be considered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-- cruel and unusual punishment.On top of that, if schools (in general) were actually teaching good basic information that children need and can use in life, instead of them becoming more and more social indoctrination clinics, such odd solutions as the one in the article would not even need to be considered.</sentencetext>
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	<title>lots of things work</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1267730760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
Downtown near where I work, they drive away the bums by blaring Beatles tunes 24 hours a day.  In German.  It works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Downtown near where I work , they drive away the bums by blaring Beatles tunes 24 hours a day .
In German .
It works .</tokentext>
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Downtown near where I work, they drive away the bums by blaring Beatles tunes 24 hours a day.
In German.
It works.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>ettlz</author>
	<datestamp>1267697400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When did our kids becomes our enemies?</p></div></blockquote><p>The moment they threw stuff over everybody's cars. The moment they intruded into my garden and pissed all over it. The moment they ripped an ornament from its base and deposited it in a gutter fifty metres down the road.</p></div>
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<tokenext>When did our kids becomes our enemies ? The moment they threw stuff over everybody 's cars .
The moment they intruded into my garden and pissed all over it .
The moment they ripped an ornament from its base and deposited it in a gutter fifty metres down the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did our kids becomes our enemies?The moment they threw stuff over everybody's cars.
The moment they intruded into my garden and pissed all over it.
The moment they ripped an ornament from its base and deposited it in a gutter fifty metres down the road.
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	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>Pentium100</author>
	<datestamp>1267695960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and when Tchaikovsky wrote 1812 he intended the canons to be about as loud as the triangle.</p><p>Anyway, if you do not like wide dynamic range in a recording, you can get a player that has integrated compressor or get an external compressor. It is much easier to compress than to expand, meaning that while I have an expander (dbx 3BX-DS) I cannot restore the dynamic range back to original if I have a crappy compressed CD.</p><p>While we will never know how Mozart intended his compositions to sound (unless someone invents a time machine, goes back in time and asks him) I prefer higher dynamic range over lower. Yes, when you are listening to music as a background while doing something else it may be better to compress the dynamic range and play a a consistent, but low level, but if you are listening to music not as a background, wide dynamic range is much better.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Tricking me into cranking up the volume with quiet parts just so that you can hurt my ears with other parts is childish.</p></div><p>See, the quiet parts are supposed to be quiet. You have to set the volume so that the quiet parts can be heard, but not be loud, then your ears won't hurt when the loud part comes. The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Yes , and when Tchaikovsky wrote 1812 he intended the canons to be about as loud as the triangle.Anyway , if you do not like wide dynamic range in a recording , you can get a player that has integrated compressor or get an external compressor .
It is much easier to compress than to expand , meaning that while I have an expander ( dbx 3BX-DS ) I can not restore the dynamic range back to original if I have a crappy compressed CD.While we will never know how Mozart intended his compositions to sound ( unless someone invents a time machine , goes back in time and asks him ) I prefer higher dynamic range over lower .
Yes , when you are listening to music as a background while doing something else it may be better to compress the dynamic range and play a a consistent , but low level , but if you are listening to music not as a background , wide dynamic range is much better.Tricking me into cranking up the volume with quiet parts just so that you can hurt my ears with other parts is childish.See , the quiet parts are supposed to be quiet .
You have to set the volume so that the quiet parts can be heard , but not be loud , then your ears wo n't hurt when the loud part comes .
The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB , the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB , tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too , so it should n't hurt your ears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and when Tchaikovsky wrote 1812 he intended the canons to be about as loud as the triangle.Anyway, if you do not like wide dynamic range in a recording, you can get a player that has integrated compressor or get an external compressor.
It is much easier to compress than to expand, meaning that while I have an expander (dbx 3BX-DS) I cannot restore the dynamic range back to original if I have a crappy compressed CD.While we will never know how Mozart intended his compositions to sound (unless someone invents a time machine, goes back in time and asks him) I prefer higher dynamic range over lower.
Yes, when you are listening to music as a background while doing something else it may be better to compress the dynamic range and play a a consistent, but low level, but if you are listening to music not as a background, wide dynamic range is much better.Tricking me into cranking up the volume with quiet parts just so that you can hurt my ears with other parts is childish.See, the quiet parts are supposed to be quiet.
You have to set the volume so that the quiet parts can be heard, but not be loud, then your ears won't hurt when the loud part comes.
The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355128</id>
	<title>Horrible!</title>
	<author>Wingfield</author>
	<datestamp>1267645260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't agree with this at all! How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever? How many children will avoid their school music programs now, which have positive effects on everything from social development to grades?
This makes me so angry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't agree with this at all !
How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever ?
How many children will avoid their school music programs now , which have positive effects on everything from social development to grades ?
This makes me so angry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't agree with this at all!
How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?
How many children will avoid their school music programs now, which have positive effects on everything from social development to grades?
This makes me so angry.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>CarbonShell</author>
	<datestamp>1267717140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hells Grannies!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hells Grannies !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hells Grannies!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357902</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1267717980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a cool factor thing, not because the music itself is in some way offensive.</i></p><p>Or maybe they just, you know, don't like it, in the same way that I don't like country or punk.  Yes, I know, it's shocking: not everyone has to like classical!  *gasp*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a cool factor thing , not because the music itself is in some way offensive.Or maybe they just , you know , do n't like it , in the same way that I do n't like country or punk .
Yes , I know , it 's shocking : not everyone has to like classical !
* gasp *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a cool factor thing, not because the music itself is in some way offensive.Or maybe they just, you know, don't like it, in the same way that I don't like country or punk.
Yes, I know, it's shocking: not everyone has to like classical!
*gasp*</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355114</id>
	<title>Calculus Gang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it's <b>attracting</b> the Calculus Gang and the Bach Gang. They wrote 30,000 digits of <i>pi</i> all over the bus stop last week. Cost the city 20 grand to remove it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's attracting the Calculus Gang and the Bach Gang .
They wrote 30,000 digits of pi all over the bus stop last week .
Cost the city 20 grand to remove it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's attracting the Calculus Gang and the Bach Gang.
They wrote 30,000 digits of pi all over the bus stop last week.
Cost the city 20 grand to remove it all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356346</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1267704060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.</p><p>I do, as I lived there, in one of the worst places regarding this (Liverpool) for about 4 years.</p></div><p>I'm disappointed that you've assumed all kids in the UK are like some from a rough bit of Liverpool. The ones round where I live (an OK bit of London) aren't like that, and the ones near where I work (a <i>very</i> nice bit of outer London) certainly aren't.</p><p>Also, remember that "man defends himself after teenager hits him, man doesn't go to prison" isn't "news". Loads of these kids will be known to the police anyway.</p><p>It's social class yet again.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.I do , as I lived there , in one of the worst places regarding this ( Liverpool ) for about 4 years.I 'm disappointed that you 've assumed all kids in the UK are like some from a rough bit of Liverpool .
The ones round where I live ( an OK bit of London ) are n't like that , and the ones near where I work ( a very nice bit of outer London ) certainly are n't.Also , remember that " man defends himself after teenager hits him , man does n't go to prison " is n't " news " .
Loads of these kids will be known to the police anyway.It 's social class yet again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may have such a stance because you do not know what horror is the young generation in the United Kingdom.I do, as I lived there, in one of the worst places regarding this (Liverpool) for about 4 years.I'm disappointed that you've assumed all kids in the UK are like some from a rough bit of Liverpool.
The ones round where I live (an OK bit of London) aren't like that, and the ones near where I work (a very nice bit of outer London) certainly aren't.Also, remember that "man defends himself after teenager hits him, man doesn't go to prison" isn't "news".
Loads of these kids will be known to the police anyway.It's social class yet again.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360302</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267729140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee, who would have thought that being poor and having no outlook in life, no future to aspire to and no perspective at all could cause frustration and anti-social behaviour...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , who would have thought that being poor and having no outlook in life , no future to aspire to and no perspective at all could cause frustration and anti-social behaviour.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, who would have thought that being poor and having no outlook in life, no future to aspire to and no perspective at all could cause frustration and anti-social behaviour...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'll call bull on that, sorry</title>
	<author>Beezlebub33</author>
	<datestamp>1267717800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus, may I point out that most of that music which is "classical" now, was once the avantgarde thing that shocked the elders of the day? Are you aware that Mozart, who now is used to deterr the youth from being there, once was pretty much the equivalent of punk and wrote such shock pieces as "Lick Me In The Arse" and "Lick Me In The Arse Really Nice And Clean"? Now that ought to have gotten a few proper old ladies ranting about the decadence of youth and their music these days.</p><p>Are you aware that complaints about "today's youth" and pretty much a verbatim rehash of all the "cool" stereotypes about them, can be found as early as Socrates or Hesiod in the 8'th century BC?</p></div><p>Wow.  Just wow.  Mozart really did write a song called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck\_mich\_im\_Arsch" title="wikipedia.org">Lick Me in the Arse</a> [wikipedia.org].   I had absolutely no idea.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Plus , may I point out that most of that music which is " classical " now , was once the avantgarde thing that shocked the elders of the day ?
Are you aware that Mozart , who now is used to deterr the youth from being there , once was pretty much the equivalent of punk and wrote such shock pieces as " Lick Me In The Arse " and " Lick Me In The Arse Really Nice And Clean " ?
Now that ought to have gotten a few proper old ladies ranting about the decadence of youth and their music these days.Are you aware that complaints about " today 's youth " and pretty much a verbatim rehash of all the " cool " stereotypes about them , can be found as early as Socrates or Hesiod in the 8'th century BC ? Wow .
Just wow .
Mozart really did write a song called Lick Me in the Arse [ wikipedia.org ] .
I had absolutely no idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, may I point out that most of that music which is "classical" now, was once the avantgarde thing that shocked the elders of the day?
Are you aware that Mozart, who now is used to deterr the youth from being there, once was pretty much the equivalent of punk and wrote such shock pieces as "Lick Me In The Arse" and "Lick Me In The Arse Really Nice And Clean"?
Now that ought to have gotten a few proper old ladies ranting about the decadence of youth and their music these days.Are you aware that complaints about "today's youth" and pretty much a verbatim rehash of all the "cool" stereotypes about them, can be found as early as Socrates or Hesiod in the 8'th century BC?Wow.
Just wow.
Mozart really did write a song called Lick Me in the Arse [wikipedia.org].
I had absolutely no idea.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357210</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Kopachris</author>
	<datestamp>1267713420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of todays "young people" somehow find classical music boring.  This, I do not understand.  Boring is listening to the exact same riff or chord over and over and over throughout an entire song without any variation.  Classical music might do the same theme many times throughout a piece, but it's usually varied every time.  Bach, for example, would take one theme and vary it a step at a time until it turned into a completely different theme.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of todays " young people " somehow find classical music boring .
This , I do not understand .
Boring is listening to the exact same riff or chord over and over and over throughout an entire song without any variation .
Classical music might do the same theme many times throughout a piece , but it 's usually varied every time .
Bach , for example , would take one theme and vary it a step at a time until it turned into a completely different theme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of todays "young people" somehow find classical music boring.
This, I do not understand.
Boring is listening to the exact same riff or chord over and over and over throughout an entire song without any variation.
Classical music might do the same theme many times throughout a piece, but it's usually varied every time.
Bach, for example, would take one theme and vary it a step at a time until it turned into a completely different theme.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1267717860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem he may be having is that that works in a concert hall or a quiet room, but if you have any kind of noise floor in the room, then to get to the quiet parts of some songs you will have to put the gain up such that the loud parts are, in fact, too loud.</p><p>I blame the playback devices, though.  There ought to be a knob so you can set the floor and ceiling, or alternately,  gain and offset, of the audio output to deal with environmental noise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem he may be having is that that works in a concert hall or a quiet room , but if you have any kind of noise floor in the room , then to get to the quiet parts of some songs you will have to put the gain up such that the loud parts are , in fact , too loud.I blame the playback devices , though .
There ought to be a knob so you can set the floor and ceiling , or alternately , gain and offset , of the audio output to deal with environmental noise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem he may be having is that that works in a concert hall or a quiet room, but if you have any kind of noise floor in the room, then to get to the quiet parts of some songs you will have to put the gain up such that the loud parts are, in fact, too loud.I blame the playback devices, though.
There ought to be a knob so you can set the floor and ceiling, or alternately,  gain and offset, of the audio output to deal with environmental noise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359312</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>patch0</author>
	<datestamp>1267724940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nah, that's not typical of the UK, that's just Liverpool....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , that 's not typical of the UK , that 's just Liverpool... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, that's not typical of the UK, that's just Liverpool....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360918</id>
	<title>Sick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267732200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only a most thouroughly perverted mind would come to the idea of using music as a weapon.</p><p>They are far below anyone who would use physical violence for the same purpose.</p><p>Also most classical music is indeed crap, like most<br>Hip Hop, Rock, Pop or Country music is crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a most thouroughly perverted mind would come to the idea of using music as a weapon.They are far below anyone who would use physical violence for the same purpose.Also most classical music is indeed crap , like mostHip Hop , Rock , Pop or Country music is crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a most thouroughly perverted mind would come to the idea of using music as a weapon.They are far below anyone who would use physical violence for the same purpose.Also most classical music is indeed crap, like mostHip Hop, Rock, Pop or Country music is crap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355668</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267695180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bulk of the British population are getting to the "get off my lawn, you rotten kids" age. Since neither they, nor their own childeren have been young in such a long time, they don't see why anyone else should be able to enjoy themselves.</p><p>Bloody boomers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bulk of the British population are getting to the " get off my lawn , you rotten kids " age .
Since neither they , nor their own childeren have been young in such a long time , they do n't see why anyone else should be able to enjoy themselves.Bloody boomers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bulk of the British population are getting to the "get off my lawn, you rotten kids" age.
Since neither they, nor their own childeren have been young in such a long time, they don't see why anyone else should be able to enjoy themselves.Bloody boomers...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355938</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267698660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not "their" children, I can bet anything, that none of those involved in that project have any children that fit in those groups or any children at all, since I doubt any of them has any experience raising children. It's just cruel and unusual punishment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not " their " children , I can bet anything , that none of those involved in that project have any children that fit in those groups or any children at all , since I doubt any of them has any experience raising children .
It 's just cruel and unusual punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not "their" children, I can bet anything, that none of those involved in that project have any children that fit in those groups or any children at all, since I doubt any of them has any experience raising children.
It's just cruel and unusual punishment.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1267705200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?"</p><p>Who cares about what chavs enjoy? Repel them and be done with it. Such folks don't change, at least for the better.<br>Those who are worthy to appreciate good music will self-select without assistance.</p><p>I like classical, and would take advantage of going where it repels those who do not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever ?
" Who cares about what chavs enjoy ?
Repel them and be done with it .
Such folks do n't change , at least for the better.Those who are worthy to appreciate good music will self-select without assistance.I like classical , and would take advantage of going where it repels those who do not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?
"Who cares about what chavs enjoy?
Repel them and be done with it.
Such folks don't change, at least for the better.Those who are worthy to appreciate good music will self-select without assistance.I like classical, and would take advantage of going where it repels those who do not.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>SpaghettiPattern</author>
	<datestamp>1267734540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Youths" don't stay young forever. Before very long they'll be adults, with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops, but they still won't like the music. Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.</p></div><p>You are basically saying today's youths are so much different than youths a century ago. Possibly, taking into consideration that intelligence increases over generations, their intellect is more advanced and their reasoning for disliking classical music is taken with a great deal of consideration.<br> <br>

I'll give you that I represent your words very freely indeed. But consider that Bach and Mozart are among the most skilled musicians that ever lived and that their works have stood against the tooth of time. I would not be surprised when a percentage of the "recalcitrant youths" will start liking and maybe appreciating classical pieces.<br> <br>

My take is that the dislike of classical music is fed by group pressure, possibly to stand up against one's parents. And, as less and less parents show an exclusive liking of classical music, it will become less and less "uncool" to listen to it.<br> <br>

I recall Jaco Patorius, possibly the most virtuoso and influential bass guitar player that ever lived, saying he liked any kind of music as long as it's played well. He even liked country and western.<br> <br>

Now, let me find my ropes, straitjacket, eye clamps, artificial tears and the almost forgotten long play records of Ludwig Von. Then I'll invite a "youth" over and "we" will have a swell time appreciating classical music.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Youths " do n't stay young forever .
Before very long they 'll be adults , with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops , but they still wo n't like the music .
Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.You are basically saying today 's youths are so much different than youths a century ago .
Possibly , taking into consideration that intelligence increases over generations , their intellect is more advanced and their reasoning for disliking classical music is taken with a great deal of consideration .
I 'll give you that I represent your words very freely indeed .
But consider that Bach and Mozart are among the most skilled musicians that ever lived and that their works have stood against the tooth of time .
I would not be surprised when a percentage of the " recalcitrant youths " will start liking and maybe appreciating classical pieces .
My take is that the dislike of classical music is fed by group pressure , possibly to stand up against one 's parents .
And , as less and less parents show an exclusive liking of classical music , it will become less and less " uncool " to listen to it .
I recall Jaco Patorius , possibly the most virtuoso and influential bass guitar player that ever lived , saying he liked any kind of music as long as it 's played well .
He even liked country and western .
Now , let me find my ropes , straitjacket , eye clamps , artificial tears and the almost forgotten long play records of Ludwig Von .
Then I 'll invite a " youth " over and " we " will have a swell time appreciating classical music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Youths" don't stay young forever.
Before very long they'll be adults, with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops, but they still won't like the music.
Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.You are basically saying today's youths are so much different than youths a century ago.
Possibly, taking into consideration that intelligence increases over generations, their intellect is more advanced and their reasoning for disliking classical music is taken with a great deal of consideration.
I'll give you that I represent your words very freely indeed.
But consider that Bach and Mozart are among the most skilled musicians that ever lived and that their works have stood against the tooth of time.
I would not be surprised when a percentage of the "recalcitrant youths" will start liking and maybe appreciating classical pieces.
My take is that the dislike of classical music is fed by group pressure, possibly to stand up against one's parents.
And, as less and less parents show an exclusive liking of classical music, it will become less and less "uncool" to listen to it.
I recall Jaco Patorius, possibly the most virtuoso and influential bass guitar player that ever lived, saying he liked any kind of music as long as it's played well.
He even liked country and western.
Now, let me find my ropes, straitjacket, eye clamps, artificial tears and the almost forgotten long play records of Ludwig Von.
Then I'll invite a "youth" over and "we" will have a swell time appreciating classical music.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267720140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Who cares about what chavs enjoy? Repel them and be done with it. Such folks don't change, at least for the better.</p></div></blockquote><p>And here, ladies and gentleman, we see the classist attitude that allows Britain to be such a haven for despotic and anti-democratic behavior. When it's known that lower class people "don't change, at least for the better", all that's to be done is to "[r]epel them and be done with it". Never mind what they as individual human beings have done, or could be capable of accomplishing; it's quite sufficient to judge them by their class.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Who cares about what chavs enjoy ?
Repel them and be done with it .
Such folks do n't change , at least for the better.And here , ladies and gentleman , we see the classist attitude that allows Britain to be such a haven for despotic and anti-democratic behavior .
When it 's known that lower class people " do n't change , at least for the better " , all that 's to be done is to " [ r ] epel them and be done with it " .
Never mind what they as individual human beings have done , or could be capable of accomplishing ; it 's quite sufficient to judge them by their class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares about what chavs enjoy?
Repel them and be done with it.
Such folks don't change, at least for the better.And here, ladies and gentleman, we see the classist attitude that allows Britain to be such a haven for despotic and anti-democratic behavior.
When it's known that lower class people "don't change, at least for the better", all that's to be done is to "[r]epel them and be done with it".
Never mind what they as individual human beings have done, or could be capable of accomplishing; it's quite sufficient to judge them by their class.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355362</id>
	<title>Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1267734480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Classical music is quite enjoyable. You can point to plenty of musical/acoustic reasons why this is the case, as in the songs feature things that people find pleasing to hear. It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate because it is all intellectual or something, and the actual sound is awful, it is simply nice to listen to.</p><p>The primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a cool factor thing, not because the music itself is in some way offensive. When you grow up, you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid, and can enjoy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Classical music is quite enjoyable .
You can point to plenty of musical/acoustic reasons why this is the case , as in the songs feature things that people find pleasing to hear .
It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate because it is all intellectual or something , and the actual sound is awful , it is simply nice to listen to.The primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a cool factor thing , not because the music itself is in some way offensive .
When you grow up , you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid , and can enjoy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Classical music is quite enjoyable.
You can point to plenty of musical/acoustic reasons why this is the case, as in the songs feature things that people find pleasing to hear.
It is not the sort of thing that you require intense training to appreciate because it is all intellectual or something, and the actual sound is awful, it is simply nice to listen to.The primary reason that youth seems not to like it is a cool factor thing, not because the music itself is in some way offensive.
When you grow up, you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid, and can enjoy it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356534</id>
	<title>Re:Of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267706340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The authorities using this music pay for public performance licenses.</i> </p><p>Fat fucking chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The authorities using this music pay for public performance licenses .
Fat fucking chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The authorities using this music pay for public performance licenses.
Fat fucking chance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355296</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360332</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1267729320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most modern humans are stupider than people in previous centuries in many ways.</p><p>Don't forget, Classical music was popular among the upper classes during its heyday.  What's "popular" now isn't what's popular with the upper classes, it's what's popular with the masses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most modern humans are stupider than people in previous centuries in many ways.Do n't forget , Classical music was popular among the upper classes during its heyday .
What 's " popular " now is n't what 's popular with the upper classes , it 's what 's popular with the masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most modern humans are stupider than people in previous centuries in many ways.Don't forget, Classical music was popular among the upper classes during its heyday.
What's "popular" now isn't what's popular with the upper classes, it's what's popular with the masses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357210</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355992</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267699200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a shame Mozart did not account for all the morons of the 20th and 21th century that damaged their own ears by cranking up the volume with headphones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a shame Mozart did not account for all the morons of the 20th and 21th century that damaged their own ears by cranking up the volume with headphones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a shame Mozart did not account for all the morons of the 20th and 21th century that damaged their own ears by cranking up the volume with headphones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355456</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355778</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267696440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, 'cause our opinions from our childhood never change. I still think girls are icky and vegetables are my parent's conspiracy to keep me down. Lemme know next time you come to a wild, baseless conclusion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , 'cause our opinions from our childhood never change .
I still think girls are icky and vegetables are my parent 's conspiracy to keep me down .
Lem me know next time you come to a wild , baseless conclusion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, 'cause our opinions from our childhood never change.
I still think girls are icky and vegetables are my parent's conspiracy to keep me down.
Lemme know next time you come to a wild, baseless conclusion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355708</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>nOw2</author>
	<datestamp>1267695720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The type of "youths" this is targeting are those most likely to be the ones who waste the rest of their lives. Therefore it is unlikely any shops will suffer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The type of " youths " this is targeting are those most likely to be the ones who waste the rest of their lives .
Therefore it is unlikely any shops will suffer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The type of "youths" this is targeting are those most likely to be the ones who waste the rest of their lives.
Therefore it is unlikely any shops will suffer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355160</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359714</id>
	<title>McDonalds</title>
	<author>orcateers</author>
	<datestamp>1267726440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>McDonald's used to play country music to discourage loitering at some urban locations</htmltext>
<tokenext>McDonald 's used to play country music to discourage loitering at some urban locations</tokentext>
<sentencetext>McDonald's used to play country music to discourage loitering at some urban locations</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360446</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1267729980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A risk of death is a deterrent to taking up any job, and elevator music gave people motive to want to strangle the associated musicians. I'd say yes, some people were turned away due to the dangerous lifestyle elevator music created.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A risk of death is a deterrent to taking up any job , and elevator music gave people motive to want to strangle the associated musicians .
I 'd say yes , some people were turned away due to the dangerous lifestyle elevator music created .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A risk of death is a deterrent to taking up any job, and elevator music gave people motive to want to strangle the associated musicians.
I'd say yes, some people were turned away due to the dangerous lifestyle elevator music created.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355770</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355842</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267697460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hell's Grannies"</p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStfT8gCrjM</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hell 's Grannies " http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = CStfT8gCrjM</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hell's Grannies"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStfT8gCrjM</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355104</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360844</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1267731840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB</i> </p><p>Yeah, if you play sounds at 120 dB...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB Yeah , if you play sounds at 120 dB.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB Yeah, if you play sounds at 120 dB...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355736</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356200</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>dfenstrate</author>
	<datestamp>1267702080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem starts before then. They can't or won't discipline their youth- the state nannies second guess everything- so they've got way to many little hellions over here. Moves like this are piss-poor reactionary measures to real social degeneration already well underway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem starts before then .
They ca n't or wo n't discipline their youth- the state nannies second guess everything- so they 've got way to many little hellions over here .
Moves like this are piss-poor reactionary measures to real social degeneration already well underway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem starts before then.
They can't or won't discipline their youth- the state nannies second guess everything- so they've got way to many little hellions over here.
Moves like this are piss-poor reactionary measures to real social degeneration already well underway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355684</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267695480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I recall Jaco Patorius, possibly the most virtuoso and influential bass guitar player that ever lived, saying he liked any kind of music as long as it's played well.</p></div><p>Yeah. "Played well" over some "as cheap as possible" loudspeakers at the bus stop?? That would turn <b>me</b> away, because I still have damn good hearing, mostly due to <b>not</b> listening to music over shitty headphones/speakers at too high volume. If someone tries that around here, I will most certainly not shop there ever again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recall Jaco Patorius , possibly the most virtuoso and influential bass guitar player that ever lived , saying he liked any kind of music as long as it 's played well.Yeah .
" Played well " over some " as cheap as possible " loudspeakers at the bus stop ? ?
That would turn me away , because I still have damn good hearing , mostly due to not listening to music over shitty headphones/speakers at too high volume .
If someone tries that around here , I will most certainly not shop there ever again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recall Jaco Patorius, possibly the most virtuoso and influential bass guitar player that ever lived, saying he liked any kind of music as long as it's played well.Yeah.
"Played well" over some "as cheap as possible" loudspeakers at the bus stop??
That would turn me away, because I still have damn good hearing, mostly due to not listening to music over shitty headphones/speakers at too high volume.
If someone tries that around here, I will most certainly not shop there ever again.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355366</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359262</id>
	<title>"Unethical" just doesn't quite do it</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1267724760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is absolutely disgusting, regardless of its effectiveness. Using Pavlonian conditioning to undermine free will is beyond inhumane.</p><p>Not only that, but they are also abusing these ancient and highly-prized works and further destroying anyone's interest in them in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is absolutely disgusting , regardless of its effectiveness .
Using Pavlonian conditioning to undermine free will is beyond inhumane.Not only that , but they are also abusing these ancient and highly-prized works and further destroying anyone 's interest in them in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is absolutely disgusting, regardless of its effectiveness.
Using Pavlonian conditioning to undermine free will is beyond inhumane.Not only that, but they are also abusing these ancient and highly-prized works and further destroying anyone's interest in them in the future.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357250</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>tg123</author>
	<datestamp>1267713720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't agree with this at all! How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever? How many children will avoid their school music programs now, which have positive effects on everything from social development to grades?<br>This makes me so angry.</p></div><p>I find your comment strange.</p><p>Do you not see that this has always been happening?</p><p>The only children who learn to appreciate classical music are the "well to do" rich kids who have access to good music teachers.</p><p>The so called positive affects have less to do with the music and more do to with these children being "advantaged".</p><p>Tell me how many children do you know from poor areas go on to study classical music after leaving school?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't agree with this at all !
How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever ?
How many children will avoid their school music programs now , which have positive effects on everything from social development to grades ? This makes me so angry.I find your comment strange.Do you not see that this has always been happening ? The only children who learn to appreciate classical music are the " well to do " rich kids who have access to good music teachers.The so called positive affects have less to do with the music and more do to with these children being " advantaged " .Tell me how many children do you know from poor areas go on to study classical music after leaving school ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't agree with this at all!
How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?
How many children will avoid their school music programs now, which have positive effects on everything from social development to grades?This makes me so angry.I find your comment strange.Do you not see that this has always been happening?The only children who learn to appreciate classical music are the "well to do" rich kids who have access to good music teachers.The so called positive affects have less to do with the music and more do to with these children being "advantaged".Tell me how many children do you know from poor areas go on to study classical music after leaving school?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357448</id>
	<title>Re:Calculus Gang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267714800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They wrote 30,000 digits of pi all over the bus stop last week. Cost the city 20 grand to remove it all."</p><p>Darn! They were almost to the end before they were interrupted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They wrote 30,000 digits of pi all over the bus stop last week .
Cost the city 20 grand to remove it all. " Darn !
They were almost to the end before they were interrupted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They wrote 30,000 digits of pi all over the bus stop last week.
Cost the city 20 grand to remove it all."Darn!
They were almost to the end before they were interrupted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355114</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355098</id>
	<title>A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>fear025</author>
	<datestamp>1267644960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>from A Clockwork Orange:<br>
Alex: No. No! NO! Stop it! Stop it, please! I beg you! This is sin! This is sin! This is sin! It's a sin, it's a sin, it's a sin!<br>
Dr. Brodsky: Sin? What's all this about sin?<br>
Alex: That! Using Ludwig van like that! He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!<br>
Dr. Branom: Are you referring to the background score?<br>
Alex: Yes.<br>
Dr. Branom: You've heard Beethoven before?<br>
Alex: Yes!<br>
Dr. Brodsky: So, you're keen on music?<br>
Alex: YES!<br>
Dr. Brodsky: Can't be helped. Here's the punishment element perhaps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>from A Clockwork Orange : Alex : No .
No ! NO !
Stop it !
Stop it , please !
I beg you !
This is sin !
This is sin !
This is sin !
It 's a sin , it 's a sin , it 's a sin !
Dr. Brodsky : Sin ?
What 's all this about sin ?
Alex : That !
Using Ludwig van like that !
He did no harm to anyone .
Beethoven just wrote music !
Dr. Branom : Are you referring to the background score ?
Alex : Yes .
Dr. Branom : You 've heard Beethoven before ?
Alex : Yes !
Dr. Brodsky : So , you 're keen on music ?
Alex : YES !
Dr. Brodsky : Ca n't be helped .
Here 's the punishment element perhaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from A Clockwork Orange:
Alex: No.
No! NO!
Stop it!
Stop it, please!
I beg you!
This is sin!
This is sin!
This is sin!
It's a sin, it's a sin, it's a sin!
Dr. Brodsky: Sin?
What's all this about sin?
Alex: That!
Using Ludwig van like that!
He did no harm to anyone.
Beethoven just wrote music!
Dr. Branom: Are you referring to the background score?
Alex: Yes.
Dr. Branom: You've heard Beethoven before?
Alex: Yes!
Dr. Brodsky: So, you're keen on music?
Alex: YES!
Dr. Brodsky: Can't be helped.
Here's the punishment element perhaps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359172</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267724400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have to wonder, what about the surrounding society is repugnant enough that offending it is a mark of honor amongst the youth? Why isn't that changed? Perhaps it's been made quite clear to them (intentionally or not) that they are not welcome in that society?</p><p>I don't claim that anything makes violent crime acceptable, just that there is generally a cause and effect relationship involved somewhere in the process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to wonder , what about the surrounding society is repugnant enough that offending it is a mark of honor amongst the youth ?
Why is n't that changed ?
Perhaps it 's been made quite clear to them ( intentionally or not ) that they are not welcome in that society ? I do n't claim that anything makes violent crime acceptable , just that there is generally a cause and effect relationship involved somewhere in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to wonder, what about the surrounding society is repugnant enough that offending it is a mark of honor amongst the youth?
Why isn't that changed?
Perhaps it's been made quite clear to them (intentionally or not) that they are not welcome in that society?I don't claim that anything makes violent crime acceptable, just that there is generally a cause and effect relationship involved somewhere in the process.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355676</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31364658</id>
	<title>Re:A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1267705740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It was a sin because in the end it didn't ruin Beethoven for him it had the opposite effect and made violence a thing of beauty for him.</p></div><p>Wasn't that already the case?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a sin because in the end it did n't ruin Beethoven for him it had the opposite effect and made violence a thing of beauty for him.Was n't that already the case ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a sin because in the end it didn't ruin Beethoven for him it had the opposite effect and made violence a thing of beauty for him.Wasn't that already the case?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356214</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356460</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267705380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?</p></div></blockquote><p>None.  This is aimed at chavs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever ? None .
This is aimed at chavs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?None.
This is aimed at chavs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355482</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267736040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you grow up, you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid, and can enjoy it.</p></div><p>I highly doubt that. If you have been conditioned to associate classical music with something unpleasant (punishment, detention, the notion you are not welcome, etc.) I don't think you'll be able to enjoy it later on.</p><p>It takes as little as a single spoiled meal that caused you stomach pain, to dislike a food for a very long time. Humans quickly associate things with something bad in order to avoid it in the future.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you grow up , you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid , and can enjoy it.I highly doubt that .
If you have been conditioned to associate classical music with something unpleasant ( punishment , detention , the notion you are not welcome , etc .
) I do n't think you 'll be able to enjoy it later on.It takes as little as a single spoiled meal that caused you stomach pain , to dislike a food for a very long time .
Humans quickly associate things with something bad in order to avoid it in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you grow up, you hopefully realize that is pretty stupid, and can enjoy it.I highly doubt that.
If you have been conditioned to associate classical music with something unpleasant (punishment, detention, the notion you are not welcome, etc.
) I don't think you'll be able to enjoy it later on.It takes as little as a single spoiled meal that caused you stomach pain, to dislike a food for a very long time.
Humans quickly associate things with something bad in order to avoid it in the future.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357260</id>
	<title>Did they plot some functions?</title>
	<author>A nonymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1267713780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cuz if they did, it would have been graphiti.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cuz if they did , it would have been graphiti .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cuz if they did, it would have been graphiti.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359666</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267726140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is when a well trained English Mastiff comes in handy. Also, pepper spray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is when a well trained English Mastiff comes in handy .
Also , pepper spray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is when a well trained English Mastiff comes in handy.
Also, pepper spray.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31368708</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1267783440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe I miss a whoosh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<p>
But the majority of youth affected isn't per se hating the classical music played, it's the peer pressure that makes them leave these sites.</p><p>
And as such it's a benign tool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I miss a whoosh : ) But the majority of youth affected is n't per se hating the classical music played , it 's the peer pressure that makes them leave these sites .
And as such it 's a benign tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I miss a whoosh :)
But the majority of youth affected isn't per se hating the classical music played, it's the peer pressure that makes them leave these sites.
And as such it's a benign tool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357548</id>
	<title>Re:romanes eunt domus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267715580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just for that, my crew is going to tag your lorry in Linear <b>A</b>!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just for that , my crew is going to tag your lorry in Linear A !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just for that, my crew is going to tag your lorry in Linear A!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360022</id>
	<title>Re:A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>bobs666</author>
	<datestamp>1267727640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great call, First thing I thought of was A Clockwork Orange.
<br> <br>
But no problem, Shields on "Ipod" actavated.
<br> <br>
BTW, I like Classical music so I am immune.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great call , First thing I thought of was A Clockwork Orange .
But no problem , Shields on " Ipod " actavated .
BTW , I like Classical music so I am immune .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great call, First thing I thought of was A Clockwork Orange.
But no problem, Shields on "Ipod" actavated.
BTW, I like Classical music so I am immune.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31366194</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267715940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assaulted by a piece of fruit? When will you people in the UK learn that Monty Python was a comedy show, not a training manual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assaulted by a piece of fruit ?
When will you people in the UK learn that Monty Python was a comedy show , not a training manual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assaulted by a piece of fruit?
When will you people in the UK learn that Monty Python was a comedy show, not a training manual.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31361266</id>
	<title>Re:classical music is defective</title>
	<author>IorDMUX</author>
	<datestamp>1267733940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.</p></div><p>Unfortunately, driving a car (especially a 140k mile one like mine), adds a noise floor with magnitude ~60-70 dB, meaning that the SNR for the quiet parts of the music is often less than 0 dB.  Though I understand that some people have the ability to do so, I cannot decipher audio inputs with such a low SNR, regardless of the specific frequency components of the music.  <br> <br>Though I very much enjoy symphonic and orchestral music (though I am more into modern and romantic than classical), there is no way I can get a half decent experience of the piece if it was recorded with wide dynamic range, which is so often the case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB , the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB , tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too , so it should n't hurt your ears.Unfortunately , driving a car ( especially a 140k mile one like mine ) , adds a noise floor with magnitude ~ 60-70 dB , meaning that the SNR for the quiet parts of the music is often less than 0 dB .
Though I understand that some people have the ability to do so , I can not decipher audio inputs with such a low SNR , regardless of the specific frequency components of the music .
Though I very much enjoy symphonic and orchestral music ( though I am more into modern and romantic than classical ) , there is no way I can get a half decent experience of the piece if it was recorded with wide dynamic range , which is so often the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dynamic range of human hearing is 120dB, the theoretical CD dynamic range is 96dB, tape and records have lower dynamic range and CDs usually are recorded with lower dynamic range too, so it shouldn't hurt your ears.Unfortunately, driving a car (especially a 140k mile one like mine), adds a noise floor with magnitude ~60-70 dB, meaning that the SNR for the quiet parts of the music is often less than 0 dB.
Though I understand that some people have the ability to do so, I cannot decipher audio inputs with such a low SNR, regardless of the specific frequency components of the music.
Though I very much enjoy symphonic and orchestral music (though I am more into modern and romantic than classical), there is no way I can get a half decent experience of the piece if it was recorded with wide dynamic range, which is so often the case.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355422</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>quantaman</author>
	<datestamp>1267735380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Youths" don't stay young forever. Before very long they'll be adults, with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops, but they still won't like the music. Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.</p></div><p>Just pick a new genre every 5-10 years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>However I'm guessing that it's only the repeat troublemakers who would actually hear enough Mozart to develop an aversion.</p><p>And those repeat troublemakers probably end up forming most of the adult troublemakers too. Those stores and train stations may find it advantageous to keep the music blaring when they grow up (noting they'll lose the business of a few good adults who were troublemakers as kids).</p><p>Note I think the article is also a lot of hype. I doubt there's many students developing a pathological fear of Mozart, though they may be learning to associate it with discipline and authority which could make them uncomfortable. However I think the best explanation of the youth deterrent came from the article "It's pretty uncool to be seen hanging around somewhere when Mozart is playing."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Youths " do n't stay young forever .
Before very long they 'll be adults , with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops , but they still wo n't like the music .
Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.Just pick a new genre every 5-10 years : ) However I 'm guessing that it 's only the repeat troublemakers who would actually hear enough Mozart to develop an aversion.And those repeat troublemakers probably end up forming most of the adult troublemakers too .
Those stores and train stations may find it advantageous to keep the music blaring when they grow up ( noting they 'll lose the business of a few good adults who were troublemakers as kids ) .Note I think the article is also a lot of hype .
I doubt there 's many students developing a pathological fear of Mozart , though they may be learning to associate it with discipline and authority which could make them uncomfortable .
However I think the best explanation of the youth deterrent came from the article " It 's pretty uncool to be seen hanging around somewhere when Mozart is playing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Youths" don't stay young forever.
Before very long they'll be adults, with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops, but they still won't like the music.
Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.Just pick a new genre every 5-10 years :)However I'm guessing that it's only the repeat troublemakers who would actually hear enough Mozart to develop an aversion.And those repeat troublemakers probably end up forming most of the adult troublemakers too.
Those stores and train stations may find it advantageous to keep the music blaring when they grow up (noting they'll lose the business of a few good adults who were troublemakers as kids).Note I think the article is also a lot of hype.
I doubt there's many students developing a pathological fear of Mozart, though they may be learning to associate it with discipline and authority which could make them uncomfortable.
However I think the best explanation of the youth deterrent came from the article "It's pretty uncool to be seen hanging around somewhere when Mozart is playing.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31358124</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>moose\_hp</author>
	<datestamp>1267719360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, but it discourages me to use the elevator.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , but it discourages me to use the elevator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, but it discourages me to use the elevator.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31364940</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267707120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make tea, not love.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make tea , not love .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make tea, not love.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355800</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267696800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mate - get some proportion. Since when was this a full-on assault against anyone and everyone under 18? Come to the UK and check it out before hyperventilating. Is there a problem with unruly youths? Yes - but only in certain places and at certain times. If those places are also those where pensioners and mothers of young children fear to tread due to a knot of hoodies with tins of Special Brew welded to their hands, then bring it on. I despair of the mentality that sees fit to pass summary judgement based on a fistful of second-hand information - you honestly don't have a f*cking clue.</p><p>As to the Marquis de Sade reference - the only kind of torture this scheme gets even close to is the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch:</p><p>"Bring on the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... SOFT CUSHIONS!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mate - get some proportion .
Since when was this a full-on assault against anyone and everyone under 18 ?
Come to the UK and check it out before hyperventilating .
Is there a problem with unruly youths ?
Yes - but only in certain places and at certain times .
If those places are also those where pensioners and mothers of young children fear to tread due to a knot of hoodies with tins of Special Brew welded to their hands , then bring it on .
I despair of the mentality that sees fit to pass summary judgement based on a fistful of second-hand information - you honestly do n't have a f * cking clue.As to the Marquis de Sade reference - the only kind of torture this scheme gets even close to is the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch : " Bring on the ... SOFT CUSHIONS !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mate - get some proportion.
Since when was this a full-on assault against anyone and everyone under 18?
Come to the UK and check it out before hyperventilating.
Is there a problem with unruly youths?
Yes - but only in certain places and at certain times.
If those places are also those where pensioners and mothers of young children fear to tread due to a knot of hoodies with tins of Special Brew welded to their hands, then bring it on.
I despair of the mentality that sees fit to pass summary judgement based on a fistful of second-hand information - you honestly don't have a f*cking clue.As to the Marquis de Sade reference - the only kind of torture this scheme gets even close to is the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch:"Bring on the ... SOFT CUSHIONS!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356008</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1267699320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Horrible!</p></div></blockquote><p>I agree, but with so many other options exhausted, it may well be the least barbaric way of punishing these little shits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Horrible ! I agree , but with so many other options exhausted , it may well be the least barbaric way of punishing these little shits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Horrible!I agree, but with so many other options exhausted, it may well be the least barbaric way of punishing these little shits.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355138</id>
	<title>romanes eunt domus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>graffiti was written in special glow in the dark compounds all over london tubes in klingon, ancient greek, hieroglyphics and linear-b soon after.</htmltext>
<tokenext>graffiti was written in special glow in the dark compounds all over london tubes in klingon , ancient greek , hieroglyphics and linear-b soon after .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>graffiti was written in special glow in the dark compounds all over london tubes in klingon, ancient greek, hieroglyphics and linear-b soon after.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360950</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1267732320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you like something initially, it takes a lot of repetition for it to become boring to you. If you dislike it initially, you're likely to continue disliking it and call it boring even if what you feel is distaste.</p><p>Baroque music, particularly on plucked keyboard instruments, is quite easy to be found boring by an inattentive listener, and most teens are easily distracted. They're looking for a quick shot of something distinctive, catchy, and instantly recognizable. The &lt; 3 minute songs that have been popular for at least 60 years qualify in spades; most can be recognized by the first note. Try recognizing a piece on a clavichord by the first note, good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you like something initially , it takes a lot of repetition for it to become boring to you .
If you dislike it initially , you 're likely to continue disliking it and call it boring even if what you feel is distaste.Baroque music , particularly on plucked keyboard instruments , is quite easy to be found boring by an inattentive listener , and most teens are easily distracted .
They 're looking for a quick shot of something distinctive , catchy , and instantly recognizable .
The</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you like something initially, it takes a lot of repetition for it to become boring to you.
If you dislike it initially, you're likely to continue disliking it and call it boring even if what you feel is distaste.Baroque music, particularly on plucked keyboard instruments, is quite easy to be found boring by an inattentive listener, and most teens are easily distracted.
They're looking for a quick shot of something distinctive, catchy, and instantly recognizable.
The </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355790</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>nOw2</author>
	<datestamp>1267696620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When did our kids becomes our enemies?</p></div><p>Not kids in general, a specific underclass of kids that cause &gt;40\% of crime (aka 'anti-social behaviour' in modern terms).</p><p>When they set fire to a car.<br>When they sit fire to bins and push them, burning, up against the communal entrance to your apartment.<br>When they break into your apartment complex's underground parking to have somewhere to drink, and smash everything on their way out.<br>The 11 year old putting a brick through the windscreen of an Audi TT so he can spit on the seats, caught because his DNA was already on police records from previous arrests.<br>Well, that's just this week. They were enemies before that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did our kids becomes our enemies ? Not kids in general , a specific underclass of kids that cause &gt; 40 \ % of crime ( aka 'anti-social behaviour ' in modern terms ) .When they set fire to a car.When they sit fire to bins and push them , burning , up against the communal entrance to your apartment.When they break into your apartment complex 's underground parking to have somewhere to drink , and smash everything on their way out.The 11 year old putting a brick through the windscreen of an Audi TT so he can spit on the seats , caught because his DNA was already on police records from previous arrests.Well , that 's just this week .
They were enemies before that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did our kids becomes our enemies?Not kids in general, a specific underclass of kids that cause &gt;40\% of crime (aka 'anti-social behaviour' in modern terms).When they set fire to a car.When they sit fire to bins and push them, burning, up against the communal entrance to your apartment.When they break into your apartment complex's underground parking to have somewhere to drink, and smash everything on their way out.The 11 year old putting a brick through the windscreen of an Audi TT so he can spit on the seats, caught because his DNA was already on police records from previous arrests.Well, that's just this week.
They were enemies before that.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356662</id>
	<title>Re:Calculus Gang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267708260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think that crap like Mozart could possibly attract a true Bach gang.</p><p>Hahaha, my captcha word is "cosine" for submitting this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that crap like Mozart could possibly attract a true Bach gang.Hahaha , my captcha word is " cosine " for submitting this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that crap like Mozart could possibly attract a true Bach gang.Hahaha, my captcha word is "cosine" for submitting this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31358908</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267723380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh yeah, and a Spanish friend was attacked and got his leg broken in 2 places.</p></div><p>As much as you damn limeys have against guns, right here, having a concealed firearm would have stopped this shit in about five seconds.  No more hooligans in training to much up society.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , and a Spanish friend was attacked and got his leg broken in 2 places.As much as you damn limeys have against guns , right here , having a concealed firearm would have stopped this shit in about five seconds .
No more hooligans in training to much up society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, and a Spanish friend was attacked and got his leg broken in 2 places.As much as you damn limeys have against guns, right here, having a concealed firearm would have stopped this shit in about five seconds.
No more hooligans in training to much up society.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357982</id>
	<title>antipathy to classical music</title>
	<author>carolusmagnus</author>
	<datestamp>1267718520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps the target audience dislike classical music for the same reason I dislike rap - it is emblematic of a culture hostile to my own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the target audience dislike classical music for the same reason I dislike rap - it is emblematic of a culture hostile to my own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the target audience dislike classical music for the same reason I dislike rap - it is emblematic of a culture hostile to my own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355654</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>umghhh</author>
	<datestamp>1267695120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Groups of people, hanging around busstops, Pestering innocent by-passers".<p>
here I fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Groups of people , hanging around busstops , Pestering innocent by-passers " .
here I fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Groups of people, hanging around busstops, Pestering innocent by-passers".
here I fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355532</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267693500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When did our kids becomes our enemies?</p></div><p>There's a good documentary called War On Kids that poses exactly the same question.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did our kids becomes our enemies ? There 's a good documentary called War On Kids that poses exactly the same question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did our kids becomes our enemies?There's a good documentary called War On Kids that poses exactly the same question.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31358624</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Luke has no name</author>
	<datestamp>1267722120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime. If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.</p> </div><p>Sins of the Son? Interesting.</p><p>Good thing that in Texas, someone attacks you on your property, you can shoot them. "Oh, it was a 15 year old? All I heard was someone threatening my family!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime .
If a kid robbed , then it is YOU who pay for the crime , as an adult .
Sins of the Son ?
Interesting.Good thing that in Texas , someone attacks you on your property , you can shoot them .
" Oh , it was a 15 year old ?
All I heard was someone threatening my family !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your kid killed another kid then it is YOU who pays for the crime.
If a kid robbed, then it is YOU who pay for the crime, as an adult.
Sins of the Son?
Interesting.Good thing that in Texas, someone attacks you on your property, you can shoot them.
"Oh, it was a 15 year old?
All I heard was someone threatening my family!
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355456</id>
	<title>classical music is defective</title>
	<author>r00t</author>
	<datestamp>1267735800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes Mozart, we recognize that it's possible to play some sections much louder than other sections. Tricking me into cranking up the volume with quiet parts just so that you can hurt my ears with other parts is childish.</p><p>Actually, I doubt it was really that awful centuries ago. The orchestra would have been burned at the stake or worse. Abusive dynamic range is probably a modern misinterpretation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes Mozart , we recognize that it 's possible to play some sections much louder than other sections .
Tricking me into cranking up the volume with quiet parts just so that you can hurt my ears with other parts is childish.Actually , I doubt it was really that awful centuries ago .
The orchestra would have been burned at the stake or worse .
Abusive dynamic range is probably a modern misinterpretation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes Mozart, we recognize that it's possible to play some sections much louder than other sections.
Tricking me into cranking up the volume with quiet parts just so that you can hurt my ears with other parts is childish.Actually, I doubt it was really that awful centuries ago.
The orchestra would have been burned at the stake or worse.
Abusive dynamic range is probably a modern misinterpretation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356672</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible!</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1267708440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?"</p><p>Zero.</p><p>Actually not a single one of the chavs generally entertained by loitering, vandalism, and graffiti would ever have become your postulated classical aficionado, so we're good there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever ?
" Zero.Actually not a single one of the chavs generally entertained by loitering , vandalism , and graffiti would ever have become your postulated classical aficionado , so we 're good there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How many of these kids who may have grown up to enjoy classical music are turned off by it forever?
"Zero.Actually not a single one of the chavs generally entertained by loitering, vandalism, and graffiti would ever have become your postulated classical aficionado, so we're good there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360088</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1267727940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Driving away youths NOW is costing them money... most teenagers have a lot more disposable income than adults. Businesses doing this is a self-correcting problem; most of them should go out of business. Unfortunately the government can keep doing this forever, at least until someone files a lawsuit for violation of the equal protection clause of the constitution (what's the UK equivalent of this?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Driving away youths NOW is costing them money... most teenagers have a lot more disposable income than adults .
Businesses doing this is a self-correcting problem ; most of them should go out of business .
Unfortunately the government can keep doing this forever , at least until someone files a lawsuit for violation of the equal protection clause of the constitution ( what 's the UK equivalent of this ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Driving away youths NOW is costing them money... most teenagers have a lot more disposable income than adults.
Businesses doing this is a self-correcting problem; most of them should go out of business.
Unfortunately the government can keep doing this forever, at least until someone files a lawsuit for violation of the equal protection clause of the constitution (what's the UK equivalent of this?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355156</id>
	<title>Of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Children perform the bad behaviors because of file sharing and disrespect of copyright. Playing music in the public for free only gets things worse.</p><p>Will someone please think of the children?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Children perform the bad behaviors because of file sharing and disrespect of copyright .
Playing music in the public for free only gets things worse.Will someone please think of the children ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Children perform the bad behaviors because of file sharing and disrespect of copyright.
Playing music in the public for free only gets things worse.Will someone please think of the children?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355922</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267698480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since the breakdown of "family" life in the UK for the past 15 years. Lot of kids in the UK especially major urban areas are mouthy, disrespectful and aggresive. Not going to get into a debate about why they are like that or whose fault it is - they just are. The country has gone to s****.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the breakdown of " family " life in the UK for the past 15 years .
Lot of kids in the UK especially major urban areas are mouthy , disrespectful and aggresive .
Not going to get into a debate about why they are like that or whose fault it is - they just are .
The country has gone to s * * * * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the breakdown of "family" life in the UK for the past 15 years.
Lot of kids in the UK especially major urban areas are mouthy, disrespectful and aggresive.
Not going to get into a debate about why they are like that or whose fault it is - they just are.
The country has gone to s****.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355530</id>
	<title>Re:What's that? A "war against youth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267693440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has nothing to do with recent development. Remember that a few decades ago, it was perfectly fine to hit children with wooden rulers, sticks, belts, whatever was at hand. Not punishing children was but a temporary fad.</p><p>Older generations always felt the need to discipline younger ones.</p><p>In my opinion, life is but a war of generations. The older ones cling to their beliefs and are afraid to get replaced by younger ones.</p><p>Just like any animal the old have to ensure their dominance lest they become obsolete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has nothing to do with recent development .
Remember that a few decades ago , it was perfectly fine to hit children with wooden rulers , sticks , belts , whatever was at hand .
Not punishing children was but a temporary fad.Older generations always felt the need to discipline younger ones.In my opinion , life is but a war of generations .
The older ones cling to their beliefs and are afraid to get replaced by younger ones.Just like any animal the old have to ensure their dominance lest they become obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has nothing to do with recent development.
Remember that a few decades ago, it was perfectly fine to hit children with wooden rulers, sticks, belts, whatever was at hand.
Not punishing children was but a temporary fad.Older generations always felt the need to discipline younger ones.In my opinion, life is but a war of generations.
The older ones cling to their beliefs and are afraid to get replaced by younger ones.Just like any animal the old have to ensure their dominance lest they become obsolete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360004</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe they'll grow up as well as old</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1267727580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty much what some trance and industrial artists do, now that you mention it -- and for that matter, Robert Fripp in the early days of tape experiments. Start with something, add tiny increments here while removing something else there, and eventually you're in a whole different place. This thematic growth is, as you say, often absent in popular music.</p><p>Conversely, I'm reminded of one particular country song that uses the same twang-thwang chord pair throughout, but continually adds and subtracts small variations around it, so the interactions change as it goes along, rather than the theme.</p><p>As to the nominal topic, I agree that the probable deterrent is the uncoolness of being seen "listening" to that grup stuff. A generation from now, being seen listening to the Stones might be just as uncool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much what some trance and industrial artists do , now that you mention it -- and for that matter , Robert Fripp in the early days of tape experiments .
Start with something , add tiny increments here while removing something else there , and eventually you 're in a whole different place .
This thematic growth is , as you say , often absent in popular music.Conversely , I 'm reminded of one particular country song that uses the same twang-thwang chord pair throughout , but continually adds and subtracts small variations around it , so the interactions change as it goes along , rather than the theme.As to the nominal topic , I agree that the probable deterrent is the uncoolness of being seen " listening " to that grup stuff .
A generation from now , being seen listening to the Stones might be just as uncool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much what some trance and industrial artists do, now that you mention it -- and for that matter, Robert Fripp in the early days of tape experiments.
Start with something, add tiny increments here while removing something else there, and eventually you're in a whole different place.
This thematic growth is, as you say, often absent in popular music.Conversely, I'm reminded of one particular country song that uses the same twang-thwang chord pair throughout, but continually adds and subtracts small variations around it, so the interactions change as it goes along, rather than the theme.As to the nominal topic, I agree that the probable deterrent is the uncoolness of being seen "listening" to that grup stuff.
A generation from now, being seen listening to the Stones might be just as uncool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359080</id>
	<title>Re:romanes eunt domus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267724040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31365176</id>
	<title>Re:romanes eunt domus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267708440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you mean "Romani eunt domum."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you mean " Romani eunt domum .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you mean "Romani eunt domum.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31361008</id>
	<title>Just like in the Shawshank Redemption</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267732620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still don't know what those Italian ladies were singing, but it must have been about the most beautiful thing in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still do n't know what those Italian ladies were singing , but it must have been about the most beautiful thing in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still don't know what those Italian ladies were singing, but it must have been about the most beautiful thing in the world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31356214</id>
	<title>Re:A Clockwork Orange</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1267702200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was a sin because in the end it didn't ruin Beethoven for him it had the opposite effect and made violence a thing of beauty for him.
<br> <br>
ALEX's voice over at the end of the movie - "And what do you know, my brothers and only friends, it was the 9th, the glorious 9th of Ludwig van. Oh, it was gorgeosity and yummy yum yum. I was cured. As the music came to its climax, I could viddy myself very clear, running and running on like very light and mysterious feet, carving the whole face of the creeching world with my cut throat britva. I was cured all right."</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a sin because in the end it did n't ruin Beethoven for him it had the opposite effect and made violence a thing of beauty for him .
ALEX 's voice over at the end of the movie - " And what do you know , my brothers and only friends , it was the 9th , the glorious 9th of Ludwig van .
Oh , it was gorgeosity and yummy yum yum .
I was cured .
As the music came to its climax , I could viddy myself very clear , running and running on like very light and mysterious feet , carving the whole face of the creeching world with my cut throat britva .
I was cured all right .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a sin because in the end it didn't ruin Beethoven for him it had the opposite effect and made violence a thing of beauty for him.
ALEX's voice over at the end of the movie - "And what do you know, my brothers and only friends, it was the 9th, the glorious 9th of Ludwig van.
Oh, it was gorgeosity and yummy yum yum.
I was cured.
As the music came to its climax, I could viddy myself very clear, running and running on like very light and mysterious feet, carving the whole face of the creeching world with my cut throat britva.
I was cured all right.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31360072</id>
	<title>Re:Next problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267727880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop it right there; this thread is getting far too silly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop it right there ; this thread is getting far too silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop it right there; this thread is getting far too silly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31361258</id>
	<title>My problem...</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1267733940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do 95\% of my music listening while in the car - that's just when I have time to do it. The trouble is exactly what the GP spells out... you can't hear the quiet parts, so you turn up the volume... and then your eardrums get blown out when the cannons go off. Nothing against classical music - I really like it (at least some pieces). But I almost never end up listening to any, because you just can't do it in a car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do 95 \ % of my music listening while in the car - that 's just when I have time to do it .
The trouble is exactly what the GP spells out... you ca n't hear the quiet parts , so you turn up the volume... and then your eardrums get blown out when the cannons go off .
Nothing against classical music - I really like it ( at least some pieces ) .
But I almost never end up listening to any , because you just ca n't do it in a car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do 95\% of my music listening while in the car - that's just when I have time to do it.
The trouble is exactly what the GP spells out... you can't hear the quiet parts, so you turn up the volume... and then your eardrums get blown out when the cannons go off.
Nothing against classical music - I really like it (at least some pieces).
But I almost never end up listening to any, because you just can't do it in a car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31359576</id>
	<title>disco will turn them teens into zombies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267725960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>classical is too kind, they need to start playing 70's disco, thsi will really frighten the youth... dance music without out a beat</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>classical is too kind , they need to start playing 70 's disco , thsi will really frighten the youth... dance music without out a beat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>classical is too kind, they need to start playing 70's disco, thsi will really frighten the youth... dance music without out a beat</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31357590</id>
	<title>Re:I'll call bull on that, sorry</title>
	<author>Fnkmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1267715880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a quick note - Mozart never published the "Lick Me In the Arse" piece while he was alive.  He widow sent a manuscript to a publisher, which "cleaned up" the lyrics prior to publishing.  And the "Lick Me In the Arse Nice and Clean" piece is no longer believed to have been written by Mozart.  A quick trip to Wikipedia would have revealed this.  Sort of undercuts your argument a bit.  Mozart may have been rebellious in certain ways, but it was hard to be so egregious and be successful in an era when you required patronage and support from the upper echelons of society to make it as an artist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a quick note - Mozart never published the " Lick Me In the Arse " piece while he was alive .
He widow sent a manuscript to a publisher , which " cleaned up " the lyrics prior to publishing .
And the " Lick Me In the Arse Nice and Clean " piece is no longer believed to have been written by Mozart .
A quick trip to Wikipedia would have revealed this .
Sort of undercuts your argument a bit .
Mozart may have been rebellious in certain ways , but it was hard to be so egregious and be successful in an era when you required patronage and support from the upper echelons of society to make it as an artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a quick note - Mozart never published the "Lick Me In the Arse" piece while he was alive.
He widow sent a manuscript to a publisher, which "cleaned up" the lyrics prior to publishing.
And the "Lick Me In the Arse Nice and Clean" piece is no longer believed to have been written by Mozart.
A quick trip to Wikipedia would have revealed this.
Sort of undercuts your argument a bit.
Mozart may have been rebellious in certain ways, but it was hard to be so egregious and be successful in an era when you required patronage and support from the upper echelons of society to make it as an artist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355574</id>
	<title>Re:Calculus Gang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267693980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next week they're gonna start playing "Bye bye, Miss American <i>pi</i>" to counter that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next week they 're gon na start playing " Bye bye , Miss American pi " to counter that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next week they're gonna start playing "Bye bye, Miss American pi" to counter that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355528</id>
	<title>Re:It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1267693440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>good point, and frankly there's something about the uk that is very baffling to me: they seem to be a very anti-youth and anti-child society. can anyone explain to me why they seem to hate their new generation so much??</htmltext>
<tokenext>good point , and frankly there 's something about the uk that is very baffling to me : they seem to be a very anti-youth and anti-child society .
can anyone explain to me why they seem to hate their new generation so much ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>good point, and frankly there's something about the uk that is very baffling to me: they seem to be a very anti-youth and anti-child society.
can anyone explain to me why they seem to hate their new generation so much?
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_04_0258221.31355160</id>
	<title>It'll stop in a few years</title>
	<author>AuraSeer</author>
	<datestamp>1267645680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Youths" don't stay young forever. Before very long they'll be adults, with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops, but they still won't like the music. Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Youths " do n't stay young forever .
Before very long they 'll be adults , with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops , but they still wo n't like the music .
Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Youths" don't stay young forever.
Before very long they'll be adults, with legitimate reasons to be at stores and train stations and bus stops, but they still won't like the music.
Any place that continues to play it will be driving away a whole lot of customers.</sentencetext>
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