<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_03_02_186206</id>
	<title>Matt Asay Answers Your Questions About Ubuntu and Canonical</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267558800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>A couple of weeks ago you <a href="//tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/1944235/Ask-Matt-Asay-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical">posed some questions</a> for Matt Asay, who recently moved into the COO role at Canonical. Click below to read his answers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple of weeks ago you posed some questions for Matt Asay , who recently moved into the COO role at Canonical .
Click below to read his answers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple of weeks ago you posed some questions for Matt Asay, who recently moved into the COO role at Canonical.
Click below to read his answers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334964</id>
	<title>"Usability is our cardinal virtue." - Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267522200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>From the article:<br>
<p><i>Matt: First off, it's critical to understand that Canonical doesn't make decisions at the cost of usability. Ever. Usability is our cardinal virtue.
</i></p><p><i>The Yahoo! deal is not at the cost of usability. Yahoo! is an excellent and wildly popular search engine with many many millions of users. We are very pleased to have reached an agreement that will pump additional revenue into the community compared to the existing default. For those worried about Microsoft's involvement with Yahoo!, it is trivially easy to switch to Google or other alternatives.
</i>
</p><p>Really? So this means that Canonical is convinced that Yahoo is at least as good as Google, Bing, etc. </p><p>I'd be interested in seeing what studies support that conclusion because I couldn't find any. I could find some data suggesting the opposite though:
</p><ul>
  <li> <a href="http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/blogger/2009/06/07/blindsearch-evaluates-google-bing-and-yahoo-search-engines/" title="umbc.edu" rel="nofollow">Blind Search</a> [umbc.edu] </li><li> <a href="http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Google-Leads-in-Search-Engine-Quality-Test-But-Bing-Impresses-855767/" title="eweek.com" rel="nofollow">uTest</a> [eweek.com] </li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : Matt : First off , it 's critical to understand that Canonical does n't make decisions at the cost of usability .
Ever. Usability is our cardinal virtue .
The Yahoo !
deal is not at the cost of usability .
Yahoo ! is an excellent and wildly popular search engine with many many millions of users .
We are very pleased to have reached an agreement that will pump additional revenue into the community compared to the existing default .
For those worried about Microsoft 's involvement with Yahoo ! , it is trivially easy to switch to Google or other alternatives .
Really ? So this means that Canonical is convinced that Yahoo is at least as good as Google , Bing , etc .
I 'd be interested in seeing what studies support that conclusion because I could n't find any .
I could find some data suggesting the opposite though : Blind Search [ umbc.edu ] uTest [ eweek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:
Matt: First off, it's critical to understand that Canonical doesn't make decisions at the cost of usability.
Ever. Usability is our cardinal virtue.
The Yahoo!
deal is not at the cost of usability.
Yahoo! is an excellent and wildly popular search engine with many many millions of users.
We are very pleased to have reached an agreement that will pump additional revenue into the community compared to the existing default.
For those worried about Microsoft's involvement with Yahoo!, it is trivially easy to switch to Google or other alternatives.
Really? So this means that Canonical is convinced that Yahoo is at least as good as Google, Bing, etc.
I'd be interested in seeing what studies support that conclusion because I couldn't find any.
I could find some data suggesting the opposite though:

   Blind Search [umbc.edu]  uTest [eweek.com] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31342098</id>
	<title>Re:Dodging questions about quality. Geez.</title>
	<author>xrayted\_za</author>
	<datestamp>1267608660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>My reading of the answers is different to yours. He openly said he has only been using Ubuntu for about 100 days and that his experience with it has been great. It is obvious that he has had no experience with KDE or Kubuntu and that is what comes across in his responses. Would you rather have him fob you off with some garbage?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My reading of the answers is different to yours .
He openly said he has only been using Ubuntu for about 100 days and that his experience with it has been great .
It is obvious that he has had no experience with KDE or Kubuntu and that is what comes across in his responses .
Would you rather have him fob you off with some garbage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My reading of the answers is different to yours.
He openly said he has only been using Ubuntu for about 100 days and that his experience with it has been great.
It is obvious that he has had no experience with KDE or Kubuntu and that is what comes across in his responses.
Would you rather have him fob you off with some garbage?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31339324</id>
	<title>Re:What Linux needs yesterday</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267541160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MINT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MINT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MINT</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335826</id>
	<title>Re:He'd say mass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267525080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been a big (K)Ubuntu fan, but this interview, along with recent experience with the poor quality of the KDE implementation, leaves me more than disappointed.  "Usability" is Ubuntu's primary concern?  Really?  To come so far, only to have the hard work, aspirations, and idealism of all the thousands of people who have poured millions of hours into the FREE code that makes Ubuntu possible dismissed by an unprincipled nebbish is too much.  So long Ubuntu, you'll be missed, but you've changed, and not for the better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been a big ( K ) Ubuntu fan , but this interview , along with recent experience with the poor quality of the KDE implementation , leaves me more than disappointed .
" Usability " is Ubuntu 's primary concern ?
Really ? To come so far , only to have the hard work , aspirations , and idealism of all the thousands of people who have poured millions of hours into the FREE code that makes Ubuntu possible dismissed by an unprincipled nebbish is too much .
So long Ubuntu , you 'll be missed , but you 've changed , and not for the better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been a big (K)Ubuntu fan, but this interview, along with recent experience with the poor quality of the KDE implementation, leaves me more than disappointed.
"Usability" is Ubuntu's primary concern?
Really?  To come so far, only to have the hard work, aspirations, and idealism of all the thousands of people who have poured millions of hours into the FREE code that makes Ubuntu possible dismissed by an unprincipled nebbish is too much.
So long Ubuntu, you'll be missed, but you've changed, and not for the better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335536</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267524060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are using the same computer since 6.06, that might be an issue unto itself, in part. Off brand and "special deal" low end pre-built computers have all kinds of goofy cheap hardware with enough soft drivers to make one wonder how the computer even turns on. I can hardly imagine anyone wanting to hack together a soft driver for a crappy piece of hardware. It would be so much more work for that developer than to just buy better hardware.<br>
&nbsp; <br>It is one thing to write a driver for something like audigy pro, or other real sound card, and another thing to write a driver for a wire, 2 magnets, and a plastic cone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are using the same computer since 6.06 , that might be an issue unto itself , in part .
Off brand and " special deal " low end pre-built computers have all kinds of goofy cheap hardware with enough soft drivers to make one wonder how the computer even turns on .
I can hardly imagine anyone wanting to hack together a soft driver for a crappy piece of hardware .
It would be so much more work for that developer than to just buy better hardware .
  It is one thing to write a driver for something like audigy pro , or other real sound card , and another thing to write a driver for a wire , 2 magnets , and a plastic cone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are using the same computer since 6.06, that might be an issue unto itself, in part.
Off brand and "special deal" low end pre-built computers have all kinds of goofy cheap hardware with enough soft drivers to make one wonder how the computer even turns on.
I can hardly imagine anyone wanting to hack together a soft driver for a crappy piece of hardware.
It would be so much more work for that developer than to just buy better hardware.
  It is one thing to write a driver for something like audigy pro, or other real sound card, and another thing to write a driver for a wire, 2 magnets, and a plastic cone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338124</id>
	<title>Commercial For-Pay Services</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267534320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We will make more commercial for-pay services available to our users, but we will never make then a requirement to have a full experience of the Ubuntu desktop. If you don't like them don't buy them and nothing will make you need to.</p></div><p>Hey, anybody know yet what the upcoming Ubuntu fork is going to be called?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We will make more commercial for-pay services available to our users , but we will never make then a requirement to have a full experience of the Ubuntu desktop .
If you do n't like them do n't buy them and nothing will make you need to.Hey , anybody know yet what the upcoming Ubuntu fork is going to be called ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We will make more commercial for-pay services available to our users, but we will never make then a requirement to have a full experience of the Ubuntu desktop.
If you don't like them don't buy them and nothing will make you need to.Hey, anybody know yet what the upcoming Ubuntu fork is going to be called?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336994</id>
	<title>Re:A question from an ignoramus</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1267529760000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of it depends on the hardware.  Sound is problematic, I think, especially in Ubuntu/Mint because they just went to a far more complex sound infrastructure that a few people have had problems with.  But I've moved plenty of Linux distros to completely dissimilar hardware without any serious problems.  That's not to say it will always work perfectly under all circumstances.  But with a little planning ahead, you can make this a complete non-issue.  Remember, with Linux, your OS and apps are separate from your settings.  This really makes reinstalls easy.</p><p>I have two hard drives in my computer:<br>1.  I keep the operating system and swap on a small (20GB) drive.  I have a spare 20GB drive installed in the computer and not normally powered up.<br>2.  I have a separate (1TB) hard drive I use for my \home partition, where all of my settings and data are kept.</p><p>When I decide to upgrade to a newer version of Linux, I simply open the case, move the cables from the 20GB drive I'm using to the spare 20GB drive, and install Linux on that drive.  During setup, I specify that I want to manually configure the hard drives, and tell it to use (BUT NOT FORMAT) my existing \home directory, and use (AND FORMAT) the 20GB drive as \ and swap.  I set up the same username and password that already exists on \home from my previous install, wait a little while for the install to complete, boot to the new Linux, install any proprietary drivers I might need, and finally start up my package manager and install all the software I use that didn't come with the distro.  Finally, I install the couple of commercial Linux packages I own from install packages I keep on \home.</p><p>Like magic all of my applications perform EXACTLY like they did before I did the reinstall.</p><p>Then I test the crap out of everything.  If my computer doesn't like the new version for some reason, I swap cables back and I'm back to my old Linux install just like nothing happened.</p><p>It seems kinda scary the first time, but seriously, it's really easy.</p><p>Your application settings are all in \home, separate from the operating system.  That, to me, is the biggest difference between Linux and Windows.  Linux separates data and applications very cleanly, and everything about you is stored in \home.  Windows makes it hard to get it looking like it did before the reinstall.  You have to get registry settings backed up and restored or reconstruct application settings after you are done installing, you have to move tons of data around, applications often write their settings or data in their own program directories.  It's just a mess.</p><p>The beauty of this setup is that if the new install goes badly, the old 20GB drive (or the old hardware) is there with my old Linux install on it.  So I can always revert back to that if something goes awry.  If I've recently suffered a major hardware outage and I don't want to reinstall, I will sometimes duplicate the first 20GB drive to the spare using dd, then boot to the spare to see how well the OS will survive the hardware change.  If all goes well, I'm set.  If not, I know I have to set aside an hour or two and do a complete reinstall.</p><p>You can very easily do this with only one hard drive, I just like the "spare drive" concept because I have a known working (but older) version of Linux always on tap in case I bork the current one.  I've never had to fall back on it, but it's nice to have it there.  You could always carve out 2 20GB partitions and do exactly the same thing, I suppose.</p><p>I have had the same \home directory since 2004.  It's been used successfully by Corel Linux, SuSE, Xandros, Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, and three versions of Linux Mint (my current OS).  It's run on 5 completely separate computers.  I've used dd to copy it from its original home on a 100GB hard drive to a 500GB drive and to its current 1TB drive, but there are still application settings and documents in it that date back to 2004.</p><p>Installing the OS and base applications is almost always faster than dealing with a badly borked driver, and you get that "fresh, clean OS" feeling.  Except it looks exactly like it did before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of it depends on the hardware .
Sound is problematic , I think , especially in Ubuntu/Mint because they just went to a far more complex sound infrastructure that a few people have had problems with .
But I 've moved plenty of Linux distros to completely dissimilar hardware without any serious problems .
That 's not to say it will always work perfectly under all circumstances .
But with a little planning ahead , you can make this a complete non-issue .
Remember , with Linux , your OS and apps are separate from your settings .
This really makes reinstalls easy.I have two hard drives in my computer : 1 .
I keep the operating system and swap on a small ( 20GB ) drive .
I have a spare 20GB drive installed in the computer and not normally powered up.2 .
I have a separate ( 1TB ) hard drive I use for my \ home partition , where all of my settings and data are kept.When I decide to upgrade to a newer version of Linux , I simply open the case , move the cables from the 20GB drive I 'm using to the spare 20GB drive , and install Linux on that drive .
During setup , I specify that I want to manually configure the hard drives , and tell it to use ( BUT NOT FORMAT ) my existing \ home directory , and use ( AND FORMAT ) the 20GB drive as \ and swap .
I set up the same username and password that already exists on \ home from my previous install , wait a little while for the install to complete , boot to the new Linux , install any proprietary drivers I might need , and finally start up my package manager and install all the software I use that did n't come with the distro .
Finally , I install the couple of commercial Linux packages I own from install packages I keep on \ home.Like magic all of my applications perform EXACTLY like they did before I did the reinstall.Then I test the crap out of everything .
If my computer does n't like the new version for some reason , I swap cables back and I 'm back to my old Linux install just like nothing happened.It seems kinda scary the first time , but seriously , it 's really easy.Your application settings are all in \ home , separate from the operating system .
That , to me , is the biggest difference between Linux and Windows .
Linux separates data and applications very cleanly , and everything about you is stored in \ home .
Windows makes it hard to get it looking like it did before the reinstall .
You have to get registry settings backed up and restored or reconstruct application settings after you are done installing , you have to move tons of data around , applications often write their settings or data in their own program directories .
It 's just a mess.The beauty of this setup is that if the new install goes badly , the old 20GB drive ( or the old hardware ) is there with my old Linux install on it .
So I can always revert back to that if something goes awry .
If I 've recently suffered a major hardware outage and I do n't want to reinstall , I will sometimes duplicate the first 20GB drive to the spare using dd , then boot to the spare to see how well the OS will survive the hardware change .
If all goes well , I 'm set .
If not , I know I have to set aside an hour or two and do a complete reinstall.You can very easily do this with only one hard drive , I just like the " spare drive " concept because I have a known working ( but older ) version of Linux always on tap in case I bork the current one .
I 've never had to fall back on it , but it 's nice to have it there .
You could always carve out 2 20GB partitions and do exactly the same thing , I suppose.I have had the same \ home directory since 2004 .
It 's been used successfully by Corel Linux , SuSE , Xandros , Red Hat , Fedora , Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu , and three versions of Linux Mint ( my current OS ) .
It 's run on 5 completely separate computers .
I 've used dd to copy it from its original home on a 100GB hard drive to a 500GB drive and to its current 1TB drive , but there are still application settings and documents in it that date back to 2004.Installing the OS and base applications is almost always faster than dealing with a badly borked driver , and you get that " fresh , clean OS " feeling .
Except it looks exactly like it did before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of it depends on the hardware.
Sound is problematic, I think, especially in Ubuntu/Mint because they just went to a far more complex sound infrastructure that a few people have had problems with.
But I've moved plenty of Linux distros to completely dissimilar hardware without any serious problems.
That's not to say it will always work perfectly under all circumstances.
But with a little planning ahead, you can make this a complete non-issue.
Remember, with Linux, your OS and apps are separate from your settings.
This really makes reinstalls easy.I have two hard drives in my computer:1.
I keep the operating system and swap on a small (20GB) drive.
I have a spare 20GB drive installed in the computer and not normally powered up.2.
I have a separate (1TB) hard drive I use for my \home partition, where all of my settings and data are kept.When I decide to upgrade to a newer version of Linux, I simply open the case, move the cables from the 20GB drive I'm using to the spare 20GB drive, and install Linux on that drive.
During setup, I specify that I want to manually configure the hard drives, and tell it to use (BUT NOT FORMAT) my existing \home directory, and use (AND FORMAT) the 20GB drive as \ and swap.
I set up the same username and password that already exists on \home from my previous install, wait a little while for the install to complete, boot to the new Linux, install any proprietary drivers I might need, and finally start up my package manager and install all the software I use that didn't come with the distro.
Finally, I install the couple of commercial Linux packages I own from install packages I keep on \home.Like magic all of my applications perform EXACTLY like they did before I did the reinstall.Then I test the crap out of everything.
If my computer doesn't like the new version for some reason, I swap cables back and I'm back to my old Linux install just like nothing happened.It seems kinda scary the first time, but seriously, it's really easy.Your application settings are all in \home, separate from the operating system.
That, to me, is the biggest difference between Linux and Windows.
Linux separates data and applications very cleanly, and everything about you is stored in \home.
Windows makes it hard to get it looking like it did before the reinstall.
You have to get registry settings backed up and restored or reconstruct application settings after you are done installing, you have to move tons of data around, applications often write their settings or data in their own program directories.
It's just a mess.The beauty of this setup is that if the new install goes badly, the old 20GB drive (or the old hardware) is there with my old Linux install on it.
So I can always revert back to that if something goes awry.
If I've recently suffered a major hardware outage and I don't want to reinstall, I will sometimes duplicate the first 20GB drive to the spare using dd, then boot to the spare to see how well the OS will survive the hardware change.
If all goes well, I'm set.
If not, I know I have to set aside an hour or two and do a complete reinstall.You can very easily do this with only one hard drive, I just like the "spare drive" concept because I have a known working (but older) version of Linux always on tap in case I bork the current one.
I've never had to fall back on it, but it's nice to have it there.
You could always carve out 2 20GB partitions and do exactly the same thing, I suppose.I have had the same \home directory since 2004.
It's been used successfully by Corel Linux, SuSE, Xandros, Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, and three versions of Linux Mint (my current OS).
It's run on 5 completely separate computers.
I've used dd to copy it from its original home on a 100GB hard drive to a 500GB drive and to its current 1TB drive, but there are still application settings and documents in it that date back to 2004.Installing the OS and base applications is almost always faster than dealing with a badly borked driver, and you get that "fresh, clean OS" feeling.
Except it looks exactly like it did before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31346668</id>
	<title>Re:Very disappointed</title>
	<author>crimsun</author>
	<datestamp>1267636800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt; Again, dismissive, and not the path to take, especially for the new guy.<br>&gt; FIX THE SOUND! DUMP pulse! I've found that your own community has done<br>&gt; what, you Cannoncial has not, UPDATED the ALSA drivers to CURRENT version<br>&gt; to solve the problems with the prevalent "HDA" chipsets. GET THIS DONE.</p><p>Full disclosure: I am not a Canonical employee, but I spend a non-trivial amount of time maintaining audio in Ubuntu.</p><p>Because Ubuntu is heavily based on GNOME, and because GNOME has integrated PulseAudio quite tightly, removing PulseAudio from Ubuntu would be rather disastrous.  Your argument has been heavily rehashed.  Instead, desktop audio has already gained momentum in the PulseAudio direction, and it makes far more sense to help fix the bugs (which aren't even necessarily caused by PA -- see the libxml misuse debacles).</p><p>WRT updated drivers, it has been done: see what ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev offers in terms of linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r).  Note that it is available for both Karmic and Lucid, and it is not from the official release tarball (currently 1.0.22.1) but from daily builds of git master HEAD corresponding to sound-2.6 (stable).  Whatever's currently in the tree is rolled everyday.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Again , dismissive , and not the path to take , especially for the new guy. &gt; FIX THE SOUND !
DUMP pulse !
I 've found that your own community has done &gt; what , you Cannoncial has not , UPDATED the ALSA drivers to CURRENT version &gt; to solve the problems with the prevalent " HDA " chipsets .
GET THIS DONE.Full disclosure : I am not a Canonical employee , but I spend a non-trivial amount of time maintaining audio in Ubuntu.Because Ubuntu is heavily based on GNOME , and because GNOME has integrated PulseAudio quite tightly , removing PulseAudio from Ubuntu would be rather disastrous .
Your argument has been heavily rehashed .
Instead , desktop audio has already gained momentum in the PulseAudio direction , and it makes far more sense to help fix the bugs ( which are n't even necessarily caused by PA -- see the libxml misuse debacles ) .WRT updated drivers , it has been done : see what ppa : ubuntu-audio-dev offers in terms of linux-alsa-driver-modules- $ ( uname -r ) .
Note that it is available for both Karmic and Lucid , and it is not from the official release tarball ( currently 1.0.22.1 ) but from daily builds of git master HEAD corresponding to sound-2.6 ( stable ) .
Whatever 's currently in the tree is rolled everyday .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Again, dismissive, and not the path to take, especially for the new guy.&gt; FIX THE SOUND!
DUMP pulse!
I've found that your own community has done&gt; what, you Cannoncial has not, UPDATED the ALSA drivers to CURRENT version&gt; to solve the problems with the prevalent "HDA" chipsets.
GET THIS DONE.Full disclosure: I am not a Canonical employee, but I spend a non-trivial amount of time maintaining audio in Ubuntu.Because Ubuntu is heavily based on GNOME, and because GNOME has integrated PulseAudio quite tightly, removing PulseAudio from Ubuntu would be rather disastrous.
Your argument has been heavily rehashed.
Instead, desktop audio has already gained momentum in the PulseAudio direction, and it makes far more sense to help fix the bugs (which aren't even necessarily caused by PA -- see the libxml misuse debacles).WRT updated drivers, it has been done: see what ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev offers in terms of linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r).
Note that it is available for both Karmic and Lucid, and it is not from the official release tarball (currently 1.0.22.1) but from daily builds of git master HEAD corresponding to sound-2.6 (stable).
Whatever's currently in the tree is rolled everyday.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335676</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu needs two things added.</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1267524540000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Binary drivers aren't a fact of life for chipsets not supported by them. Six-year-old cards, sure. Eight-year-old cards, maybe not. AMD/ATI recently decided to drop support for r500 and older (anything older than Radeon HD 2000) from their Linux binary driver, and deferred completely to the open-source team. nVidia doesn't support their entire lineup, either; I'm told that for stuff like TNT2 and the first GeForces, the nouveau project's drivers are beating the crap out of the ancient legacy nvidia blobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Binary drivers are n't a fact of life for chipsets not supported by them .
Six-year-old cards , sure .
Eight-year-old cards , maybe not .
AMD/ATI recently decided to drop support for r500 and older ( anything older than Radeon HD 2000 ) from their Linux binary driver , and deferred completely to the open-source team .
nVidia does n't support their entire lineup , either ; I 'm told that for stuff like TNT2 and the first GeForces , the nouveau project 's drivers are beating the crap out of the ancient legacy nvidia blobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Binary drivers aren't a fact of life for chipsets not supported by them.
Six-year-old cards, sure.
Eight-year-old cards, maybe not.
AMD/ATI recently decided to drop support for r500 and older (anything older than Radeon HD 2000) from their Linux binary driver, and deferred completely to the open-source team.
nVidia doesn't support their entire lineup, either; I'm told that for stuff like TNT2 and the first GeForces, the nouveau project's drivers are beating the crap out of the ancient legacy nvidia blobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336144</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267526280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Canonical/Ubuntu fixes sound? What sound is broken? Pulse Audio works very great IF you use good distribution. Ubuntu isn't one of those. Mandriva is still best distribution to basic users. Ubuntu is for nerds who want to jump away from windows because microsoft is baaaaaad.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Canonical/Ubuntu fixes sound ?
What sound is broken ?
Pulse Audio works very great IF you use good distribution .
Ubuntu is n't one of those .
Mandriva is still best distribution to basic users .
Ubuntu is for nerds who want to jump away from windows because microsoft is baaaaaad.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Canonical/Ubuntu fixes sound?
What sound is broken?
Pulse Audio works very great IF you use good distribution.
Ubuntu isn't one of those.
Mandriva is still best distribution to basic users.
Ubuntu is for nerds who want to jump away from windows because microsoft is baaaaaad.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338004</id>
	<title>ubuntu 9.10 and intel = good</title>
	<author>Teunis</author>
	<datestamp>1267533840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got intel video hardware on two of my systems - intel 865 and intel 845 (on my eeepc).   Ubuntu 9.10 works, works consistently and works well - unlike every version since 7.0<br>now 9.10 still needs some kernel juggling to work "out of the box" on an eeepc/9.05 but for the most part it's pretty nice.<br><br>actually - hardware support is pretty much better under ubuntu that any other OS I've tried - including windows vista/32, windows XP/64, and even debian.  I now wait (with manually patched beta drivers that work great *grin*) for wacom bamboo pen&amp;touch drivers to reach production distro.<br><br>Note: I don't really think of this as a good server OS - CentOS and debian are both better for that - but it's awesome for desktop work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got intel video hardware on two of my systems - intel 865 and intel 845 ( on my eeepc ) .
Ubuntu 9.10 works , works consistently and works well - unlike every version since 7.0now 9.10 still needs some kernel juggling to work " out of the box " on an eeepc/9.05 but for the most part it 's pretty nice.actually - hardware support is pretty much better under ubuntu that any other OS I 've tried - including windows vista/32 , windows XP/64 , and even debian .
I now wait ( with manually patched beta drivers that work great * grin * ) for wacom bamboo pen&amp;touch drivers to reach production distro.Note : I do n't really think of this as a good server OS - CentOS and debian are both better for that - but it 's awesome for desktop work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got intel video hardware on two of my systems - intel 865 and intel 845 (on my eeepc).
Ubuntu 9.10 works, works consistently and works well - unlike every version since 7.0now 9.10 still needs some kernel juggling to work "out of the box" on an eeepc/9.05 but for the most part it's pretty nice.actually - hardware support is pretty much better under ubuntu that any other OS I've tried - including windows vista/32, windows XP/64, and even debian.
I now wait (with manually patched beta drivers that work great *grin*) for wacom bamboo pen&amp;touch drivers to reach production distro.Note: I don't really think of this as a good server OS - CentOS and debian are both better for that - but it's awesome for desktop work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335512</id>
	<title>Frodo?</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1267524000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We do, however, have aspirations to play Frodo.</p></div><p>OK, I've read the books a few times and I'm pretty sure Frodo failed in the end and succumbed to the temptation to (attempt to) become the new Dark Lord. His short lived usurpation of power was thwarted by another would be usurper that fortunately also suffered from bad balance and/or poor spacial awareness/maneuvering skills.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do , however , have aspirations to play Frodo.OK , I 've read the books a few times and I 'm pretty sure Frodo failed in the end and succumbed to the temptation to ( attempt to ) become the new Dark Lord .
His short lived usurpation of power was thwarted by another would be usurper that fortunately also suffered from bad balance and/or poor spacial awareness/maneuvering skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We do, however, have aspirations to play Frodo.OK, I've read the books a few times and I'm pretty sure Frodo failed in the end and succumbed to the temptation to (attempt to) become the new Dark Lord.
His short lived usurpation of power was thwarted by another would be usurper that fortunately also suffered from bad balance and/or poor spacial awareness/maneuvering skills.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31371100</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267805160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sounds like a memory address bug in the flash plugin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sounds like a memory address bug in the flash plugin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sounds like a memory address bug in the flash plugin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336334</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267527060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I have a different history, pulseaudio has fixed all my audio problems. And there's no way Linux is going back to things like pure ALSA or OSS (to start with, users already depend on PA functionality that those systems can't offer. Also, PA tries to do what succesful desktop systems do, like OS X and Windows. BSDs/Solaris are not a good example of succesful desktops systems -&gt; the main reason why OSS sucks). Of course, because it does things other systems didn't do, it causes problems (new versions of PA could have sound issues in kernel drivers that <a href="http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/BadDecibel" title="pulseaudio.org" rel="nofollow">do not report db attenuation data correctly</a> [pulseaudio.org]).</p><p>You can blame PA of those problems as much as you want, but it's the one with the balls to try to fix the linux sound problem. And the fact is that with every PA/kernel release the whole systems works better, and the number of PA whinners becomes smaller and smaller.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I have a different history , pulseaudio has fixed all my audio problems .
And there 's no way Linux is going back to things like pure ALSA or OSS ( to start with , users already depend on PA functionality that those systems ca n't offer .
Also , PA tries to do what succesful desktop systems do , like OS X and Windows .
BSDs/Solaris are not a good example of succesful desktops systems - &gt; the main reason why OSS sucks ) .
Of course , because it does things other systems did n't do , it causes problems ( new versions of PA could have sound issues in kernel drivers that do not report db attenuation data correctly [ pulseaudio.org ] ) .You can blame PA of those problems as much as you want , but it 's the one with the balls to try to fix the linux sound problem .
And the fact is that with every PA/kernel release the whole systems works better , and the number of PA whinners becomes smaller and smaller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I have a different history, pulseaudio has fixed all my audio problems.
And there's no way Linux is going back to things like pure ALSA or OSS (to start with, users already depend on PA functionality that those systems can't offer.
Also, PA tries to do what succesful desktop systems do, like OS X and Windows.
BSDs/Solaris are not a good example of succesful desktops systems -&gt; the main reason why OSS sucks).
Of course, because it does things other systems didn't do, it causes problems (new versions of PA could have sound issues in kernel drivers that do not report db attenuation data correctly [pulseaudio.org]).You can blame PA of those problems as much as you want, but it's the one with the balls to try to fix the linux sound problem.
And the fact is that with every PA/kernel release the whole systems works better, and the number of PA whinners becomes smaller and smaller.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337722</id>
	<title>Gnome versus KDE</title>
	<author>Terminus32</author>
	<datestamp>1267532700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xubuntu is the way foward for me...XFCE knocks both Gnome &amp; KDE on the head, with their bloatware!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xubuntu is the way foward for me...XFCE knocks both Gnome &amp; KDE on the head , with their bloatware !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xubuntu is the way foward for me...XFCE knocks both Gnome &amp; KDE on the head, with their bloatware!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336764</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>Joeseph64</author>
	<datestamp>1267528920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think he completely blew off the question of games or Creative Suites.  He said that by making a better desktop and pushing it out to more people, Games and Creative Suites will come to Ubuntu and linux.  Which is a better solution, IMO, than having Canonical wasting resources on either pushing companies to develop Linux versions of programs or wasting developer resources in trying to push open-source application X to proprietary program Y's standards.  Besides, it gives Canonical a good focus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think he completely blew off the question of games or Creative Suites .
He said that by making a better desktop and pushing it out to more people , Games and Creative Suites will come to Ubuntu and linux .
Which is a better solution , IMO , than having Canonical wasting resources on either pushing companies to develop Linux versions of programs or wasting developer resources in trying to push open-source application X to proprietary program Y 's standards .
Besides , it gives Canonical a good focus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think he completely blew off the question of games or Creative Suites.
He said that by making a better desktop and pushing it out to more people, Games and Creative Suites will come to Ubuntu and linux.
Which is a better solution, IMO, than having Canonical wasting resources on either pushing companies to develop Linux versions of programs or wasting developer resources in trying to push open-source application X to proprietary program Y's standards.
Besides, it gives Canonical a good focus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336232</id>
	<title>Re:KDE</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1267526640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord? That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'</i></p><p>Buh?  As far as I can tell, "Operation Timelord" is as close as Kubuntu can get to admitting that they've fucked up in the past and need to fix some things.  Every single one of the items they plan to tackle to improve the project addresses how *Kubuntu* is managed.  Improving localization, changing how bugs are tracked, decided not to release shitty KDE packages... that's all work in Kubuntu's camp, and has nothing to do with core Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you any idea what 's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord ?
That 's as close as you can get to saying 'We 're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us , so we 're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'Buh ?
As far as I can tell , " Operation Timelord " is as close as Kubuntu can get to admitting that they 've fucked up in the past and need to fix some things .
Every single one of the items they plan to tackle to improve the project addresses how * Kubuntu * is managed .
Improving localization , changing how bugs are tracked , decided not to release shitty KDE packages... that 's all work in Kubuntu 's camp , and has nothing to do with core Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord?
That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'Buh?
As far as I can tell, "Operation Timelord" is as close as Kubuntu can get to admitting that they've fucked up in the past and need to fix some things.
Every single one of the items they plan to tackle to improve the project addresses how *Kubuntu* is managed.
Improving localization, changing how bugs are tracked, decided not to release shitty KDE packages... that's all work in Kubuntu's camp, and has nothing to do with core Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334800</id>
	<title>Too much denial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267521660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound. Now, what he was doing there is is meeting a "your distro sucks" accusation with a "does not!" reply which is to some degree fair. However that doesn't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap, and sound is just flat out broken. I like KDE because it has more features and looks better, but it's just too damn buggy so I had to switch back to gnome just so me and my wife could use the computer. And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box. It is downright embarassing. I don't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE, or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what. I just know that the Kubuntu desktop is highly unpolished and the sound situation is dire.  These things were addressed in the Q&amp;A because they are important and the only answer we got is "It works fine for me".</htmltext>
<tokenext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound .
Now , what he was doing there is is meeting a " your distro sucks " accusation with a " does not !
" reply which is to some degree fair .
However that does n't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap , and sound is just flat out broken .
I like KDE because it has more features and looks better , but it 's just too damn buggy so I had to switch back to gnome just so me and my wife could use the computer .
And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box .
It is downright embarassing .
I do n't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE , or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what .
I just know that the Kubuntu desktop is highly unpolished and the sound situation is dire .
These things were addressed in the Q&amp;A because they are important and the only answer we got is " It works fine for me " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound.
Now, what he was doing there is is meeting a "your distro sucks" accusation with a "does not!
" reply which is to some degree fair.
However that doesn't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap, and sound is just flat out broken.
I like KDE because it has more features and looks better, but it's just too damn buggy so I had to switch back to gnome just so me and my wife could use the computer.
And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box.
It is downright embarassing.
I don't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE, or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what.
I just know that the Kubuntu desktop is highly unpolished and the sound situation is dire.
These things were addressed in the Q&amp;A because they are important and the only answer we got is "It works fine for me".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31371008</id>
	<title>Re:Forget gaming, I guess...</title>
	<author>wertigon</author>
	<datestamp>1267804800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem on gaming on Linux is two-fold:</p><p>1. Anything non-DirectX SUCKS on Windows (especially OpenGL, where driver support is very dissapointing compared to D3D), and 3D performance on Linux is still sub-par (It's starting to come around with Nouveau and other free drivers, but it's still around 5 years until something happens there).</p><p>2. The packaging problem on Linux. You have a gazillion different distros. Do you use package X or package Y? RPM or DEB? XFree or XOrg? PulseAudio or ALSA? KDE or Gnome? Etc etc etc etc... It's a freakin' mess.</p><p>Problem no. 1 will be solved in time; problem no. 2 won't unless one of two things happen;</p><p>1. Game developers open source their game engines, only selling their 3D models, graphics etc<br>2. A store specialized on gaming opens up and offers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb/.rpm packages to your specific distro version.</p><p>First option won't happen ever; second is possible to do today but would require quite a bit of work and trust. So, us Linux gamers are basicly stuck between a rock and a hard place for a few years yet. Thank god for emulators!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem on gaming on Linux is two-fold : 1 .
Anything non-DirectX SUCKS on Windows ( especially OpenGL , where driver support is very dissapointing compared to D3D ) , and 3D performance on Linux is still sub-par ( It 's starting to come around with Nouveau and other free drivers , but it 's still around 5 years until something happens there ) .2 .
The packaging problem on Linux .
You have a gazillion different distros .
Do you use package X or package Y ?
RPM or DEB ?
XFree or XOrg ?
PulseAudio or ALSA ?
KDE or Gnome ?
Etc etc etc etc... It 's a freakin ' mess.Problem no .
1 will be solved in time ; problem no .
2 wo n't unless one of two things happen ; 1 .
Game developers open source their game engines , only selling their 3D models , graphics etc2 .
A store specialized on gaming opens up and offers .deb/.rpm packages to your specific distro version.First option wo n't happen ever ; second is possible to do today but would require quite a bit of work and trust .
So , us Linux gamers are basicly stuck between a rock and a hard place for a few years yet .
Thank god for emulators !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem on gaming on Linux is two-fold:1.
Anything non-DirectX SUCKS on Windows (especially OpenGL, where driver support is very dissapointing compared to D3D), and 3D performance on Linux is still sub-par (It's starting to come around with Nouveau and other free drivers, but it's still around 5 years until something happens there).2.
The packaging problem on Linux.
You have a gazillion different distros.
Do you use package X or package Y?
RPM or DEB?
XFree or XOrg?
PulseAudio or ALSA?
KDE or Gnome?
Etc etc etc etc... It's a freakin' mess.Problem no.
1 will be solved in time; problem no.
2 won't unless one of two things happen;1.
Game developers open source their game engines, only selling their 3D models, graphics etc2.
A store specialized on gaming opens up and offers .deb/.rpm packages to your specific distro version.First option won't happen ever; second is possible to do today but would require quite a bit of work and trust.
So, us Linux gamers are basicly stuck between a rock and a hard place for a few years yet.
Thank god for emulators!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336412</id>
	<title>KDE is a baroque piece of s**t.</title>
	<author>sgage</author>
	<datestamp>1267527420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my opinion. The KDE fanboys sure feel no compunction about dissing Gnome.</p><p>Gnome is not perfect, but at least it's not the confused weirdness that is KDE. Every time a new version of KDE comes out, I hear all sorts of glowing reports so I check it out. And I wonder what is so great about this? If you like it, fine, but it's not obvious to me that it's wonderful or better than Gnome or that Gnome is "falling behind".</p><p>I'm not a Gnome fanboy or anything - I keep trying new things. But KDE is simply a different take on what a desktop should be. Kubuntu may not be exactly what the KDE fanboys want, but the incessant whining about it is boring. It will improve, especially if you provide clear and measured feedback, as opposed to vague "it sucks" type commentary. Or just go use OpenSuse - I hear that's a hot KDE distro. Whatever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion .
The KDE fanboys sure feel no compunction about dissing Gnome.Gnome is not perfect , but at least it 's not the confused weirdness that is KDE .
Every time a new version of KDE comes out , I hear all sorts of glowing reports so I check it out .
And I wonder what is so great about this ?
If you like it , fine , but it 's not obvious to me that it 's wonderful or better than Gnome or that Gnome is " falling behind " .I 'm not a Gnome fanboy or anything - I keep trying new things .
But KDE is simply a different take on what a desktop should be .
Kubuntu may not be exactly what the KDE fanboys want , but the incessant whining about it is boring .
It will improve , especially if you provide clear and measured feedback , as opposed to vague " it sucks " type commentary .
Or just go use OpenSuse - I hear that 's a hot KDE distro .
Whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion.
The KDE fanboys sure feel no compunction about dissing Gnome.Gnome is not perfect, but at least it's not the confused weirdness that is KDE.
Every time a new version of KDE comes out, I hear all sorts of glowing reports so I check it out.
And I wonder what is so great about this?
If you like it, fine, but it's not obvious to me that it's wonderful or better than Gnome or that Gnome is "falling behind".I'm not a Gnome fanboy or anything - I keep trying new things.
But KDE is simply a different take on what a desktop should be.
Kubuntu may not be exactly what the KDE fanboys want, but the incessant whining about it is boring.
It will improve, especially if you provide clear and measured feedback, as opposed to vague "it sucks" type commentary.
Or just go use OpenSuse - I hear that's a hot KDE distro.
Whatever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334814</id>
	<title>Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1267521660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like how he sort of blew off the sound question.<br>It has nothing to do with "supported hardware" it has to due to <a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/tejas.kokje/SP7X\_cnLDdI/AAAAAAAABaQ/AH46MNaiOlU/linux\_sound\_mess\%5B6\%5D.jpg" title="ggpht.com">the Cluster Fuck</a> [ggpht.com] that is Linux Audio.</p><p>I know OSS is about "choice" but there's just too many choices. And none of them work right. I'd consider myself a high level user and usually read a "How To" then understand the underlying system (such as how uBoot works on my Sheeva Plug), but I haven't in the slightest idea how the fuck linux audio works.</p><p>I can install OSSv4. And use those drivers with ALSA. Or use ALSA drivers while playing through Pulse Audio and telling all ALSA applications to go through Pulse Audio. And I don't even want to start to think about 'mapping' in ALSA.</p><p>If Canonical/Ubuntu fixes sound, it'll be one of those stories that we tell our grandchildren about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how he sort of blew off the sound question.It has nothing to do with " supported hardware " it has to due to the Cluster Fuck [ ggpht.com ] that is Linux Audio.I know OSS is about " choice " but there 's just too many choices .
And none of them work right .
I 'd consider myself a high level user and usually read a " How To " then understand the underlying system ( such as how uBoot works on my Sheeva Plug ) , but I have n't in the slightest idea how the fuck linux audio works.I can install OSSv4 .
And use those drivers with ALSA .
Or use ALSA drivers while playing through Pulse Audio and telling all ALSA applications to go through Pulse Audio .
And I do n't even want to start to think about 'mapping ' in ALSA.If Canonical/Ubuntu fixes sound , it 'll be one of those stories that we tell our grandchildren about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how he sort of blew off the sound question.It has nothing to do with "supported hardware" it has to due to the Cluster Fuck [ggpht.com] that is Linux Audio.I know OSS is about "choice" but there's just too many choices.
And none of them work right.
I'd consider myself a high level user and usually read a "How To" then understand the underlying system (such as how uBoot works on my Sheeva Plug), but I haven't in the slightest idea how the fuck linux audio works.I can install OSSv4.
And use those drivers with ALSA.
Or use ALSA drivers while playing through Pulse Audio and telling all ALSA applications to go through Pulse Audio.
And I don't even want to start to think about 'mapping' in ALSA.If Canonical/Ubuntu fixes sound, it'll be one of those stories that we tell our grandchildren about.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338572</id>
	<title>Re:buggy stuff</title>
	<author>foxylad</author>
	<datestamp>1267536420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd suggest that when you install, you do so with an admin-style username and password. Note these down somewhere to prevent forgetfulness.</p><p>Then when you reboot and log in, set up a new user (yourself) with admin rights. Log out and in again as yourself, and continue as before.</p><p>That way if you have problems logging in as yourself, you can always revert to the admin login and fix the problem up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest that when you install , you do so with an admin-style username and password .
Note these down somewhere to prevent forgetfulness.Then when you reboot and log in , set up a new user ( yourself ) with admin rights .
Log out and in again as yourself , and continue as before.That way if you have problems logging in as yourself , you can always revert to the admin login and fix the problem up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest that when you install, you do so with an admin-style username and password.
Note these down somewhere to prevent forgetfulness.Then when you reboot and log in, set up a new user (yourself) with admin rights.
Log out and in again as yourself, and continue as before.That way if you have problems logging in as yourself, you can always revert to the admin login and fix the problem up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337656</id>
	<title>audio problems</title>
	<author>Punto</author>
	<datestamp>1267532340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had exchanges with the audio people that basically went like "sound doesn't work" "yes it does. pulseaudio is running, pulseaudio is magical and all sound works thanks to pulseaudio. this is not a bug, it's a feature." the solution? remove pulseaudio and anything that has to do with it. use --purge. and your sound will start working again</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had exchanges with the audio people that basically went like " sound does n't work " " yes it does .
pulseaudio is running , pulseaudio is magical and all sound works thanks to pulseaudio .
this is not a bug , it 's a feature .
" the solution ?
remove pulseaudio and anything that has to do with it .
use --purge .
and your sound will start working again</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had exchanges with the audio people that basically went like "sound doesn't work" "yes it does.
pulseaudio is running, pulseaudio is magical and all sound works thanks to pulseaudio.
this is not a bug, it's a feature.
" the solution?
remove pulseaudio and anything that has to do with it.
use --purge.
and your sound will start working again</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335092</id>
	<title>A question from an ignoramus</title>
	<author>jwietelmann</author>
	<datestamp>1267522560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't been a regular Linux or Ubuntu user for a few years now.  What happens if I change my hardware configuration after I've already installed Ubuntu?  My past experience was that while most Linux distros were quite good at detecting hardware during their initial install, almost none of them would give me any sort of help after the fact.  Introducing new hardware was an unnecessarily major pain; I knew Linux was capable of detecting it, but no one had bothered to think beyond the first-install scenario.</p><p>Is this better now?  (Or was there always a solution to this that I wasn't aware of?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't been a regular Linux or Ubuntu user for a few years now .
What happens if I change my hardware configuration after I 've already installed Ubuntu ?
My past experience was that while most Linux distros were quite good at detecting hardware during their initial install , almost none of them would give me any sort of help after the fact .
Introducing new hardware was an unnecessarily major pain ; I knew Linux was capable of detecting it , but no one had bothered to think beyond the first-install scenario.Is this better now ?
( Or was there always a solution to this that I was n't aware of ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't been a regular Linux or Ubuntu user for a few years now.
What happens if I change my hardware configuration after I've already installed Ubuntu?
My past experience was that while most Linux distros were quite good at detecting hardware during their initial install, almost none of them would give me any sort of help after the fact.
Introducing new hardware was an unnecessarily major pain; I knew Linux was capable of detecting it, but no one had bothered to think beyond the first-install scenario.Is this better now?
(Or was there always a solution to this that I wasn't aware of?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335716</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267524660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box.</i></p><p>It's worked OK on my hardware, with built-in Intel HD Audio, but it does frequently give me some error message about having to fall back to PulseAudio.</p><p>It seems like the introduction of PulseAudio has caused a lot of problems from what I've seen.  The whole audio system needs some major QA work and validation on a wide range of hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box.It 's worked OK on my hardware , with built-in Intel HD Audio , but it does frequently give me some error message about having to fall back to PulseAudio.It seems like the introduction of PulseAudio has caused a lot of problems from what I 've seen .
The whole audio system needs some major QA work and validation on a wide range of hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box.It's worked OK on my hardware, with built-in Intel HD Audio, but it does frequently give me some error message about having to fall back to PulseAudio.It seems like the introduction of PulseAudio has caused a lot of problems from what I've seen.
The whole audio system needs some major QA work and validation on a wide range of hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335638</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>bmcage</author>
	<datestamp>1267524420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, 9.10 Kubuntu almost fixed all of my KDE issues. <p>
I am now hacking happily again. Was sticked with 8.04 for work and coding at home up to 9.10. Sure hope 10.04 will again be a step forward for Kubuntu, but as always, I'll try with the laptop of my wife first<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D </p><p>
As to sound in linux, I listen some radio streams and they drop from time to time. My windows and Mac using collegues have the same problem though. Although their apps reconnect automatically after a while. On the other hand, with my sister I had to work twice for more than an hour to get sound out of skype on Vista... All these example proof nothing of course. I really don't know any people who use their PC for more than radio and managing their music collection for their mp3 player</p><p>
To end, not saying anything about the Gnome/KDE divide might also mean Ubuntu is seriously thinking some things over. One has to agree that the KDE people cooked up a mobile interface on one hackathlon with Plasma/QML/Qt, while Ubuntu took a lot of time and moved to what was it again, E17? They can only build on that or Gnome if they do the work themself (Moblin is gone now). Using the vibrant KDE community \_and\_ companies behind it, must seem appealing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , 9.10 Kubuntu almost fixed all of my KDE issues .
I am now hacking happily again .
Was sticked with 8.04 for work and coding at home up to 9.10 .
Sure hope 10.04 will again be a step forward for Kubuntu , but as always , I 'll try with the laptop of my wife first : -D As to sound in linux , I listen some radio streams and they drop from time to time .
My windows and Mac using collegues have the same problem though .
Although their apps reconnect automatically after a while .
On the other hand , with my sister I had to work twice for more than an hour to get sound out of skype on Vista... All these example proof nothing of course .
I really do n't know any people who use their PC for more than radio and managing their music collection for their mp3 player To end , not saying anything about the Gnome/KDE divide might also mean Ubuntu is seriously thinking some things over .
One has to agree that the KDE people cooked up a mobile interface on one hackathlon with Plasma/QML/Qt , while Ubuntu took a lot of time and moved to what was it again , E17 ?
They can only build on that or Gnome if they do the work themself ( Moblin is gone now ) .
Using the vibrant KDE community \ _and \ _ companies behind it , must seem appealing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, 9.10 Kubuntu almost fixed all of my KDE issues.
I am now hacking happily again.
Was sticked with 8.04 for work and coding at home up to 9.10.
Sure hope 10.04 will again be a step forward for Kubuntu, but as always, I'll try with the laptop of my wife first :-D 
As to sound in linux, I listen some radio streams and they drop from time to time.
My windows and Mac using collegues have the same problem though.
Although their apps reconnect automatically after a while.
On the other hand, with my sister I had to work twice for more than an hour to get sound out of skype on Vista... All these example proof nothing of course.
I really don't know any people who use their PC for more than radio and managing their music collection for their mp3 player
To end, not saying anything about the Gnome/KDE divide might also mean Ubuntu is seriously thinking some things over.
One has to agree that the KDE people cooked up a mobile interface on one hackathlon with Plasma/QML/Qt, while Ubuntu took a lot of time and moved to what was it again, E17?
They can only build on that or Gnome if they do the work themself (Moblin is gone now).
Using the vibrant KDE community \_and\_ companies behind it, must seem appealing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337234</id>
	<title>Re:The freedom part sounded like:</title>
	<author>badboy\_tw2002</author>
	<datestamp>1267530540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, I wish I had some MOD points.  Bravo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I wish I had some MOD points .
Bravo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I wish I had some MOD points.
Bravo!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335082</id>
	<title>Re:He'd say mass</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1267522560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you've regularly read him, he certainly isn't the biggest fan of Microsoft. His supposed "Open Road" column isn't about being open so much as it is about getting away from Microsoft.</p><p>I'm not a zealot who insists on 100\% FOSS, and I have no problems mixing open with proprietary personally. When I asked Matt about it above, I suspected I knew how he'd answer. I figured it was a question however that others would want answered given his new role.</p><p>I assume he will have no qualms mixing proprietary products in his releases, and even offering closed products and services. (As a non-Ubuntu user, I believe Ubuntu One is currently closed-source, but I don't know for sure). However, I seriously doubt he will bend Ubuntu to Microsoft's whims. That doesn't seem to be his m.o.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've regularly read him , he certainly is n't the biggest fan of Microsoft .
His supposed " Open Road " column is n't about being open so much as it is about getting away from Microsoft.I 'm not a zealot who insists on 100 \ % FOSS , and I have no problems mixing open with proprietary personally .
When I asked Matt about it above , I suspected I knew how he 'd answer .
I figured it was a question however that others would want answered given his new role.I assume he will have no qualms mixing proprietary products in his releases , and even offering closed products and services .
( As a non-Ubuntu user , I believe Ubuntu One is currently closed-source , but I do n't know for sure ) .
However , I seriously doubt he will bend Ubuntu to Microsoft 's whims .
That does n't seem to be his m.o .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've regularly read him, he certainly isn't the biggest fan of Microsoft.
His supposed "Open Road" column isn't about being open so much as it is about getting away from Microsoft.I'm not a zealot who insists on 100\% FOSS, and I have no problems mixing open with proprietary personally.
When I asked Matt about it above, I suspected I knew how he'd answer.
I figured it was a question however that others would want answered given his new role.I assume he will have no qualms mixing proprietary products in his releases, and even offering closed products and services.
(As a non-Ubuntu user, I believe Ubuntu One is currently closed-source, but I don't know for sure).
However, I seriously doubt he will bend Ubuntu to Microsoft's whims.
That doesn't seem to be his m.o.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334764</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu needs two things added.</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1267521420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I understand the reasoning behind not including the drivers, but not including a icon on the desktop that is a "click here to download, install and enable the nvidia non free closed source evil drivers." is a must have.</p></div><p>Wait, what? Doesn't Ubuntu do this already?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...I thought Ubuntu even enabled those drivers already.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Also the mediabuntu repository while easy for us that are familiar with ubuntu to reinstall at every release are near impossible for a newbie to install.</p></div><p>Really?</p><p>Open Terminal. Copy-and-paste from the website to the terminal. Enter password, press enter. Done.</p><p>Sure, it could be easier -- though I think Ubuntu tends to just put those in "multiverse" or something, and I wonder if medibuntu might be depricated by now.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I understand the reasoning behind not including the drivers , but not including a icon on the desktop that is a " click here to download , install and enable the nvidia non free closed source evil drivers .
" is a must have.Wait , what ?
Does n't Ubuntu do this already ?
...I thought Ubuntu even enabled those drivers already.Also the mediabuntu repository while easy for us that are familiar with ubuntu to reinstall at every release are near impossible for a newbie to install.Really ? Open Terminal .
Copy-and-paste from the website to the terminal .
Enter password , press enter .
Done.Sure , it could be easier -- though I think Ubuntu tends to just put those in " multiverse " or something , and I wonder if medibuntu might be depricated by now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand the reasoning behind not including the drivers, but not including a icon on the desktop that is a "click here to download, install and enable the nvidia non free closed source evil drivers.
" is a must have.Wait, what?
Doesn't Ubuntu do this already?
...I thought Ubuntu even enabled those drivers already.Also the mediabuntu repository while easy for us that are familiar with ubuntu to reinstall at every release are near impossible for a newbie to install.Really?Open Terminal.
Copy-and-paste from the website to the terminal.
Enter password, press enter.
Done.Sure, it could be easier -- though I think Ubuntu tends to just put those in "multiverse" or something, and I wonder if medibuntu might be depricated by now.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31342780</id>
	<title>Re:buggy stuff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267614840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love reading through a blob of meandering text to find hidden gem of </p><p><div class="quote"><p> I'm a linux noob,</p></div><p> with the subtext of (but that has nothing to do with the above).</p><p>Gee wonder if that has something to do with your problems? Maybe start with that bit and get educated?</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>....with a bad root password [again] so that I couldn't upgrade anything.</p></div><p>Read: I forgot my password again.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd like to echo the sentiment of many others - ubuntu is just too buggy.  The first version I used seemed to work ok, but had warnings saying that several drivers were missing, so I upgraded to the next version (9.04).  It had password issues that I had to go into grub to fix, and it never worked right.  I couldn't update anything because my root pw was hosed.  So I waited until the next version (9.10), bought a new cd for $0.99 on ebay, reformatted the hdd, and ended up with the same issue.  So I took a chance &amp; switched to linux mint.  It too worked fine at first, but after the first batch of updates, I ended up right where I started from: with a bad root password so that I couldn't upgrade anything.  This time I reformatted &amp; only installed updates with a # 1 or #2 on it and so far, it's ok.  &amp; have been tempted to go back to windows, but at $300-$400 for a brand-new version of windows 7, I'm going to stick to linux.  At least its extremely low cost ($0.99 on ebay), open office is free instead of several hundred dollars for MS office, &amp; I don't get all the malware.  Not to mention I can install it on as many machines as I want &amp; don't have to activate or register it.  But when the next linux version comes out, I"m going to wait a while to see how it goes out there before I immediately jump in.</p></div><p>Dude.</p><p>At first I thought this was a sarcastic joke by some clever person, but now I'm just sad.</p><p>Kudos for sticking with it though, just get yourself some learnin' done.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love reading through a blob of meandering text to find hidden gem of I 'm a linux noob , with the subtext of ( but that has nothing to do with the above ) .Gee wonder if that has something to do with your problems ?
Maybe start with that bit and get educated ?
....with a bad root password [ again ] so that I could n't upgrade anything.Read : I forgot my password again.I 'd like to echo the sentiment of many others - ubuntu is just too buggy .
The first version I used seemed to work ok , but had warnings saying that several drivers were missing , so I upgraded to the next version ( 9.04 ) .
It had password issues that I had to go into grub to fix , and it never worked right .
I could n't update anything because my root pw was hosed .
So I waited until the next version ( 9.10 ) , bought a new cd for $ 0.99 on ebay , reformatted the hdd , and ended up with the same issue .
So I took a chance &amp; switched to linux mint .
It too worked fine at first , but after the first batch of updates , I ended up right where I started from : with a bad root password so that I could n't upgrade anything .
This time I reformatted &amp; only installed updates with a # 1 or # 2 on it and so far , it 's ok. &amp; have been tempted to go back to windows , but at $ 300- $ 400 for a brand-new version of windows 7 , I 'm going to stick to linux .
At least its extremely low cost ( $ 0.99 on ebay ) , open office is free instead of several hundred dollars for MS office , &amp; I do n't get all the malware .
Not to mention I can install it on as many machines as I want &amp; do n't have to activate or register it .
But when the next linux version comes out , I " m going to wait a while to see how it goes out there before I immediately jump in.Dude.At first I thought this was a sarcastic joke by some clever person , but now I 'm just sad.Kudos for sticking with it though , just get yourself some learnin ' done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love reading through a blob of meandering text to find hidden gem of  I'm a linux noob, with the subtext of (but that has nothing to do with the above).Gee wonder if that has something to do with your problems?
Maybe start with that bit and get educated?
....with a bad root password [again] so that I couldn't upgrade anything.Read: I forgot my password again.I'd like to echo the sentiment of many others - ubuntu is just too buggy.
The first version I used seemed to work ok, but had warnings saying that several drivers were missing, so I upgraded to the next version (9.04).
It had password issues that I had to go into grub to fix, and it never worked right.
I couldn't update anything because my root pw was hosed.
So I waited until the next version (9.10), bought a new cd for $0.99 on ebay, reformatted the hdd, and ended up with the same issue.
So I took a chance &amp; switched to linux mint.
It too worked fine at first, but after the first batch of updates, I ended up right where I started from: with a bad root password so that I couldn't upgrade anything.
This time I reformatted &amp; only installed updates with a # 1 or #2 on it and so far, it's ok.  &amp; have been tempted to go back to windows, but at $300-$400 for a brand-new version of windows 7, I'm going to stick to linux.
At least its extremely low cost ($0.99 on ebay), open office is free instead of several hundred dollars for MS office, &amp; I don't get all the malware.
Not to mention I can install it on as many machines as I want &amp; don't have to activate or register it.
But when the next linux version comes out, I"m going to wait a while to see how it goes out there before I immediately jump in.Dude.At first I thought this was a sarcastic joke by some clever person, but now I'm just sad.Kudos for sticking with it though, just get yourself some learnin' done.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336568</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>micheas</author>
	<datestamp>1267528140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound. Now, what he was doing there is is meeting a "your distro sucks" accusation with a "does not!" reply which is to some degree fair. However that doesn't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap, and sound is just flat out broken. I like KDE because it has more features and looks better, but it's just too damn buggy so I had to switch back to gnome just so me and my wife could use the computer. And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box. It is downright embarassing. I don't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE, or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what. I just know that the Kubuntu desktop is highly unpolished and the sound situation is dire.  These things were addressed in the Q&amp;A because they are important and the only answer we got is "It works fine for me".</p></div><p>The problem with using Kubuntu or Xubuntu is that they are not supported by Canonical nor Debian.</p><p>If you have a problem and report it to Canonical you will find that it is community supported, but the community support is Debian, and most Debian package maintainers do not support Ubuntu packages.</p><p>You can get yourself out of that position by installing Debian. A huge amount of Canonical's work does make it upstream to Debian, so the Debian of two years ago is not the Debian of today. The one problem that Debian is pretty much alone in is getting firefox to work on other than i386 or amd64, so iceweasel(firefox) is still at 3.5 because Debian just managed to get the bugs shaken out enough to get it to compile on mips in February.</p><p>Part, of Debian being behind is because of the buggy nature of the software that they are behind on. Non-buggy software that actually compiles and runs debian is generally very up to date on, with the slowness being from fixing bugs, and not going, works for me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound .
Now , what he was doing there is is meeting a " your distro sucks " accusation with a " does not !
" reply which is to some degree fair .
However that does n't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap , and sound is just flat out broken .
I like KDE because it has more features and looks better , but it 's just too damn buggy so I had to switch back to gnome just so me and my wife could use the computer .
And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box .
It is downright embarassing .
I do n't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE , or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what .
I just know that the Kubuntu desktop is highly unpolished and the sound situation is dire .
These things were addressed in the Q&amp;A because they are important and the only answer we got is " It works fine for me " .The problem with using Kubuntu or Xubuntu is that they are not supported by Canonical nor Debian.If you have a problem and report it to Canonical you will find that it is community supported , but the community support is Debian , and most Debian package maintainers do not support Ubuntu packages.You can get yourself out of that position by installing Debian .
A huge amount of Canonical 's work does make it upstream to Debian , so the Debian of two years ago is not the Debian of today .
The one problem that Debian is pretty much alone in is getting firefox to work on other than i386 or amd64 , so iceweasel ( firefox ) is still at 3.5 because Debian just managed to get the bugs shaken out enough to get it to compile on mips in February.Part , of Debian being behind is because of the buggy nature of the software that they are behind on .
Non-buggy software that actually compiles and runs debian is generally very up to date on , with the slowness being from fixing bugs , and not going , works for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound.
Now, what he was doing there is is meeting a "your distro sucks" accusation with a "does not!
" reply which is to some degree fair.
However that doesn't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap, and sound is just flat out broken.
I like KDE because it has more features and looks better, but it's just too damn buggy so I had to switch back to gnome just so me and my wife could use the computer.
And I have NEVER had sound work properly out of the Ubuntu box.
It is downright embarassing.
I don't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE, or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what.
I just know that the Kubuntu desktop is highly unpolished and the sound situation is dire.
These things were addressed in the Q&amp;A because they are important and the only answer we got is "It works fine for me".The problem with using Kubuntu or Xubuntu is that they are not supported by Canonical nor Debian.If you have a problem and report it to Canonical you will find that it is community supported, but the community support is Debian, and most Debian package maintainers do not support Ubuntu packages.You can get yourself out of that position by installing Debian.
A huge amount of Canonical's work does make it upstream to Debian, so the Debian of two years ago is not the Debian of today.
The one problem that Debian is pretty much alone in is getting firefox to work on other than i386 or amd64, so iceweasel(firefox) is still at 3.5 because Debian just managed to get the bugs shaken out enough to get it to compile on mips in February.Part, of Debian being behind is because of the buggy nature of the software that they are behind on.
Non-buggy software that actually compiles and runs debian is generally very up to date on, with the slowness being from fixing bugs, and not going, works for me.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335336</id>
	<title>Bing sucks - Yahoo deal is crap</title>
	<author>doodlebumm</author>
	<datestamp>1267523340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I *HATE* bing. No, really. I <b>HATE</b> bing. Yahoo a wildly popular search engine? Only because the people already using it are too afraid to use anything else. <b>Google</b> is vastly superior in every way to Yaho's search. That move was a giant step backwards!!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I * HATE * bing .
No , really .
I HATE bing .
Yahoo a wildly popular search engine ?
Only because the people already using it are too afraid to use anything else .
Google is vastly superior in every way to Yaho 's search .
That move was a giant step backwards ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I *HATE* bing.
No, really.
I HATE bing.
Yahoo a wildly popular search engine?
Only because the people already using it are too afraid to use anything else.
Google is vastly superior in every way to Yaho's search.
That move was a giant step backwards!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31347620</id>
	<title>GNOME/KDE/Supper happy funland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267640580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That Anonymous Coward babbling about how bad GNOME is then pipes up with Xfce which is based on the SAME EXACT GTK2 libs as GNOME and likely more behind than GNOME ever was given the state that Xfce was in a few years ago still FAR behind.  (Last I used Xfce was on ppc notebook for a year or two after they completed yet another re-write to GTK2 and the ENTIRELY lousy shipped apps, e.g. xffm which was promptly replaced by ROXFiler(SOSUMI I like spatial file browsers and might go back to it as Nautilus is getting crufty and bloated as hell given it's poor performance), etc.  I switched between this and fluxbox + my own stack trying to find the right combo of lightweight and features.)</p><p>KDE is just big and bloated, which is why I never cared much for it compared to GNOME.  However, GNOME is now taking a decent whack at catching up in the bloat department itself.  (Neither Qt nor GTK2 are great development libraries.  They're both huge hack jobs in some form or other although Qt would be easier to fix IMO than GTK2, but I could be wrong about that as I haven't dug deeply into GTK2 arch for quite sometime.  i.e. Qt worked around the lack of features available in it's early development by adding all sorts of cruft, and well GTK, apparently, someone though that it would be neato keen to wipe everyone's face in the fact that you can kind of make C OO or at least kind of behave like it although it looks ugly as hell.)</p><p>As to KDE broken, well when they released 4 it WAS broken.  They had to do hurrying up and make a few more releases to get thing running smoothly, and even after that I know quite a few users who didn't care for some of the interface changes introduced and reverted to 3.x or switched to some other desktop environment completely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That Anonymous Coward babbling about how bad GNOME is then pipes up with Xfce which is based on the SAME EXACT GTK2 libs as GNOME and likely more behind than GNOME ever was given the state that Xfce was in a few years ago still FAR behind .
( Last I used Xfce was on ppc notebook for a year or two after they completed yet another re-write to GTK2 and the ENTIRELY lousy shipped apps , e.g .
xffm which was promptly replaced by ROXFiler ( SOSUMI I like spatial file browsers and might go back to it as Nautilus is getting crufty and bloated as hell given it 's poor performance ) , etc .
I switched between this and fluxbox + my own stack trying to find the right combo of lightweight and features .
) KDE is just big and bloated , which is why I never cared much for it compared to GNOME .
However , GNOME is now taking a decent whack at catching up in the bloat department itself .
( Neither Qt nor GTK2 are great development libraries .
They 're both huge hack jobs in some form or other although Qt would be easier to fix IMO than GTK2 , but I could be wrong about that as I have n't dug deeply into GTK2 arch for quite sometime .
i.e. Qt worked around the lack of features available in it 's early development by adding all sorts of cruft , and well GTK , apparently , someone though that it would be neato keen to wipe everyone 's face in the fact that you can kind of make C OO or at least kind of behave like it although it looks ugly as hell .
) As to KDE broken , well when they released 4 it WAS broken .
They had to do hurrying up and make a few more releases to get thing running smoothly , and even after that I know quite a few users who did n't care for some of the interface changes introduced and reverted to 3.x or switched to some other desktop environment completely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That Anonymous Coward babbling about how bad GNOME is then pipes up with Xfce which is based on the SAME EXACT GTK2 libs as GNOME and likely more behind than GNOME ever was given the state that Xfce was in a few years ago still FAR behind.
(Last I used Xfce was on ppc notebook for a year or two after they completed yet another re-write to GTK2 and the ENTIRELY lousy shipped apps, e.g.
xffm which was promptly replaced by ROXFiler(SOSUMI I like spatial file browsers and might go back to it as Nautilus is getting crufty and bloated as hell given it's poor performance), etc.
I switched between this and fluxbox + my own stack trying to find the right combo of lightweight and features.
)KDE is just big and bloated, which is why I never cared much for it compared to GNOME.
However, GNOME is now taking a decent whack at catching up in the bloat department itself.
(Neither Qt nor GTK2 are great development libraries.
They're both huge hack jobs in some form or other although Qt would be easier to fix IMO than GTK2, but I could be wrong about that as I haven't dug deeply into GTK2 arch for quite sometime.
i.e. Qt worked around the lack of features available in it's early development by adding all sorts of cruft, and well GTK, apparently, someone though that it would be neato keen to wipe everyone's face in the fact that you can kind of make C OO or at least kind of behave like it although it looks ugly as hell.
)As to KDE broken, well when they released 4 it WAS broken.
They had to do hurrying up and make a few more releases to get thing running smoothly, and even after that I know quite a few users who didn't care for some of the interface changes introduced and reverted to 3.x or switched to some other desktop environment completely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336230</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>nextekcarl</author>
	<datestamp>1267526640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't used Kubuntu for a long time (I used to, when I first switched from Windows to Linux full time about 2004ish) but sound in Ubuntu has worked perfectly out of the box for me on 5 different systems (except for a recent intermittent problem with Flash that I mentioned in an earlier comment), but I also don't understand the Gnome hate many people have. When I switched to Gnome full time a couple of years ago (just to see what it was like since I hadn't used it at all in many years) and figured out what the differences were, KDE wasn't something I missed at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't used Kubuntu for a long time ( I used to , when I first switched from Windows to Linux full time about 2004ish ) but sound in Ubuntu has worked perfectly out of the box for me on 5 different systems ( except for a recent intermittent problem with Flash that I mentioned in an earlier comment ) , but I also do n't understand the Gnome hate many people have .
When I switched to Gnome full time a couple of years ago ( just to see what it was like since I had n't used it at all in many years ) and figured out what the differences were , KDE was n't something I missed at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't used Kubuntu for a long time (I used to, when I first switched from Windows to Linux full time about 2004ish) but sound in Ubuntu has worked perfectly out of the box for me on 5 different systems (except for a recent intermittent problem with Flash that I mentioned in an earlier comment), but I also don't understand the Gnome hate many people have.
When I switched to Gnome full time a couple of years ago (just to see what it was like since I hadn't used it at all in many years) and figured out what the differences were, KDE wasn't something I missed at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334958</id>
	<title>mo/d 0p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267522200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">duty to be a big may be huRting the posts. Therefore collect any spilled for the state of megs of ram runs are a few ggod tangle of fatal</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>duty to be a big may be huRting the posts .
Therefore collect any spilled for the state of megs of ram runs are a few ggod tangle of fatal [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>duty to be a big may be huRting the posts.
Therefore collect any spilled for the state of megs of ram runs are a few ggod tangle of fatal [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335612</id>
	<title>Dodging the driver question...</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1267524360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu is easily the quietest of the large distros when it comes to talking with driver upstreams. Really, his response, to me, translates to, "We'll let Redhat and Novell continue to front the cost of paying developers to write graphics drivers, while dragging our feet at adopting new upstream code." Frustrating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu is easily the quietest of the large distros when it comes to talking with driver upstreams .
Really , his response , to me , translates to , " We 'll let Redhat and Novell continue to front the cost of paying developers to write graphics drivers , while dragging our feet at adopting new upstream code .
" Frustrating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu is easily the quietest of the large distros when it comes to talking with driver upstreams.
Really, his response, to me, translates to, "We'll let Redhat and Novell continue to front the cost of paying developers to write graphics drivers, while dragging our feet at adopting new upstream code.
" Frustrating.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31350240</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267609920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to disagree about GNOME being the best.  As someone who's coming over from Windows, seeing a slightly familiar look (in the KDE desktop) makes the transition easier.  Also there are some things that are easier to do in KDE (like setting up your wireless networking) than in GNOME.  Now, I realize that you probably can tell me how to do these things in one or two clicks, but in trying to do them on my own (both in GNOME and KDE) they seemed to "just work" with KDE.  The wireless networking is a big example.  I tried GNOME, and got it working (but honestly I cannot remember how).  Then I tried KDE and it started working right away.</p><p>My ex-girlfriend had a laptop where her computer tech installed a dual-boot of Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04.  The XP partition had a problem, so she couldn't boot into it.  When she booted into Ubuntu, she asked me how to set up the wireless. I honestly had no clue (because it's not a "1-click" thing or automatic like KDE), and I wasn't near a computer to look it up for her.  She ended up shutting the laptop down, calling the tech, having him reinstall XP and WIPE UBUNTU OFF.  Because she doesn't know how to configure things, and doesn't want to have to learn.  With KDE, she would have just had to click on an icon and enter a password.  That was not the case with GNOME.</p><p>So, until GNOME makes things easier for the average user (read as Windows Idiot moving over to Linux), I have to say that KDE is better.  They're both buggy, but in terms of transitioning, KDE wins.</p><p>Personally, I use Evolution and a few other GNOME apps (Pidgin I believe is one) on KDE.  THAT is the beauty of choice.  I can install the best of the options, and don't have to install the rest of the options.</p><p>Have a great day:)<br>Patrick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to disagree about GNOME being the best .
As someone who 's coming over from Windows , seeing a slightly familiar look ( in the KDE desktop ) makes the transition easier .
Also there are some things that are easier to do in KDE ( like setting up your wireless networking ) than in GNOME .
Now , I realize that you probably can tell me how to do these things in one or two clicks , but in trying to do them on my own ( both in GNOME and KDE ) they seemed to " just work " with KDE .
The wireless networking is a big example .
I tried GNOME , and got it working ( but honestly I can not remember how ) .
Then I tried KDE and it started working right away.My ex-girlfriend had a laptop where her computer tech installed a dual-boot of Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04 .
The XP partition had a problem , so she could n't boot into it .
When she booted into Ubuntu , she asked me how to set up the wireless .
I honestly had no clue ( because it 's not a " 1-click " thing or automatic like KDE ) , and I was n't near a computer to look it up for her .
She ended up shutting the laptop down , calling the tech , having him reinstall XP and WIPE UBUNTU OFF .
Because she does n't know how to configure things , and does n't want to have to learn .
With KDE , she would have just had to click on an icon and enter a password .
That was not the case with GNOME.So , until GNOME makes things easier for the average user ( read as Windows Idiot moving over to Linux ) , I have to say that KDE is better .
They 're both buggy , but in terms of transitioning , KDE wins.Personally , I use Evolution and a few other GNOME apps ( Pidgin I believe is one ) on KDE .
THAT is the beauty of choice .
I can install the best of the options , and do n't have to install the rest of the options.Have a great day : ) Patrick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to disagree about GNOME being the best.
As someone who's coming over from Windows, seeing a slightly familiar look (in the KDE desktop) makes the transition easier.
Also there are some things that are easier to do in KDE (like setting up your wireless networking) than in GNOME.
Now, I realize that you probably can tell me how to do these things in one or two clicks, but in trying to do them on my own (both in GNOME and KDE) they seemed to "just work" with KDE.
The wireless networking is a big example.
I tried GNOME, and got it working (but honestly I cannot remember how).
Then I tried KDE and it started working right away.My ex-girlfriend had a laptop where her computer tech installed a dual-boot of Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04.
The XP partition had a problem, so she couldn't boot into it.
When she booted into Ubuntu, she asked me how to set up the wireless.
I honestly had no clue (because it's not a "1-click" thing or automatic like KDE), and I wasn't near a computer to look it up for her.
She ended up shutting the laptop down, calling the tech, having him reinstall XP and WIPE UBUNTU OFF.
Because she doesn't know how to configure things, and doesn't want to have to learn.
With KDE, she would have just had to click on an icon and enter a password.
That was not the case with GNOME.So, until GNOME makes things easier for the average user (read as Windows Idiot moving over to Linux), I have to say that KDE is better.
They're both buggy, but in terms of transitioning, KDE wins.Personally, I use Evolution and a few other GNOME apps (Pidgin I believe is one) on KDE.
THAT is the beauty of choice.
I can install the best of the options, and don't have to install the rest of the options.Have a great day:)Patrick.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336284</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336784</id>
	<title>Re:Frodo?</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1267529040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>OK, I've read the books a few times and I'm pretty sure Frodo failed in the end and succumbed to the temptation to (attempt to) become the new Dark Lord.</i></p><p>Think after that point... like he's shot (though not by Frodo) outside of Bag End.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , I 've read the books a few times and I 'm pretty sure Frodo failed in the end and succumbed to the temptation to ( attempt to ) become the new Dark Lord.Think after that point... like he 's shot ( though not by Frodo ) outside of Bag End .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, I've read the books a few times and I'm pretty sure Frodo failed in the end and succumbed to the temptation to (attempt to) become the new Dark Lord.Think after that point... like he's shot (though not by Frodo) outside of Bag End.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335512</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334284</id>
	<title>Icon!</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1267562640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An Ubuntu topic icon!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An Ubuntu topic icon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An Ubuntu topic icon!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335530</id>
	<title>And not the fault of exotic hardware</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1267524000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that stability of Ubuntu has gone downhill. I have given up using Ubuntu on my desktop for that reason, and it is not exotic hardware - it is a Dell which came with Ubunutu preinstalled on it!</p><p>The two biggest problems are the Intel graphics drivers and Pulse Audio. Keith Packard and others have been using the Intel drivers as a proving ground for some much needed re-architecting of the Xorg driver framework. This is important work, but it also means that using the latest and greatest versions of those drivers, like Ubuntu does, is a bad idea. Pulse Audio is buggy as shit. I'm not convinced that it is a good idea at all, but at the very least it should not be considered stable enough for mainstream use.</p><p>Ubuntu is quickly changing from a mainstream user-friendly distro to a bleeding edge distro, because they cannot resist the urge to include new features. They look at how these features would improve usability if they worked, but neglect the frustration caused by their instability. Even long term support releases have this problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that stability of Ubuntu has gone downhill .
I have given up using Ubuntu on my desktop for that reason , and it is not exotic hardware - it is a Dell which came with Ubunutu preinstalled on it ! The two biggest problems are the Intel graphics drivers and Pulse Audio .
Keith Packard and others have been using the Intel drivers as a proving ground for some much needed re-architecting of the Xorg driver framework .
This is important work , but it also means that using the latest and greatest versions of those drivers , like Ubuntu does , is a bad idea .
Pulse Audio is buggy as shit .
I 'm not convinced that it is a good idea at all , but at the very least it should not be considered stable enough for mainstream use.Ubuntu is quickly changing from a mainstream user-friendly distro to a bleeding edge distro , because they can not resist the urge to include new features .
They look at how these features would improve usability if they worked , but neglect the frustration caused by their instability .
Even long term support releases have this problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that stability of Ubuntu has gone downhill.
I have given up using Ubuntu on my desktop for that reason, and it is not exotic hardware - it is a Dell which came with Ubunutu preinstalled on it!The two biggest problems are the Intel graphics drivers and Pulse Audio.
Keith Packard and others have been using the Intel drivers as a proving ground for some much needed re-architecting of the Xorg driver framework.
This is important work, but it also means that using the latest and greatest versions of those drivers, like Ubuntu does, is a bad idea.
Pulse Audio is buggy as shit.
I'm not convinced that it is a good idea at all, but at the very least it should not be considered stable enough for mainstream use.Ubuntu is quickly changing from a mainstream user-friendly distro to a bleeding edge distro, because they cannot resist the urge to include new features.
They look at how these features would improve usability if they worked, but neglect the frustration caused by their instability.
Even long term support releases have this problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334624</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337600</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>dchamp</author>
	<datestamp>1267532160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would agree that the Kubuntu / KDE experience is not that great, which is a shame.</p><p>My usual desktop Linux distro, Mandriva with KDE, has much better KDE integration than Kubuntu.</p><p>As many have pointed out, KDE seems to be pulling ahead of Gnome, and the KDE / QT library is much more portable to other platforms.</p><p>I hope that KDE gets pulled into the main Ubuntu stream soon!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would agree that the Kubuntu / KDE experience is not that great , which is a shame.My usual desktop Linux distro , Mandriva with KDE , has much better KDE integration than Kubuntu.As many have pointed out , KDE seems to be pulling ahead of Gnome , and the KDE / QT library is much more portable to other platforms.I hope that KDE gets pulled into the main Ubuntu stream soon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would agree that the Kubuntu / KDE experience is not that great, which is a shame.My usual desktop Linux distro, Mandriva with KDE, has much better KDE integration than Kubuntu.As many have pointed out, KDE seems to be pulling ahead of Gnome, and the KDE / QT library is much more portable to other platforms.I hope that KDE gets pulled into the main Ubuntu stream soon!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334800</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334624</id>
	<title>9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1267520880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My desktop has had the same hardware since I've been using 6.06, I feel I've had more struggles getting 9.10 set up. In the end I think it's fine and sorting it out wasn't rocket science but it wasn't as smooth as the previous release. Audio has been the biggest issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My desktop has had the same hardware since I 've been using 6.06 , I feel I 've had more struggles getting 9.10 set up .
In the end I think it 's fine and sorting it out was n't rocket science but it was n't as smooth as the previous release .
Audio has been the biggest issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My desktop has had the same hardware since I've been using 6.06, I feel I've had more struggles getting 9.10 set up.
In the end I think it's fine and sorting it out wasn't rocket science but it wasn't as smooth as the previous release.
Audio has been the biggest issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335506</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267523940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm more concerned w/ multi-display support.  On opensuse, I can dock my laptop, undock, plug in a projector or run dual-displays with no problem.  On Ubuntu, it is painful to switch between displays with different resolution and plugging in a projector is a nightmare.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more concerned w/ multi-display support .
On opensuse , I can dock my laptop , undock , plug in a projector or run dual-displays with no problem .
On Ubuntu , it is painful to switch between displays with different resolution and plugging in a projector is a nightmare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more concerned w/ multi-display support.
On opensuse, I can dock my laptop, undock, plug in a projector or run dual-displays with no problem.
On Ubuntu, it is painful to switch between displays with different resolution and plugging in a projector is a nightmare.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334814</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31345870</id>
	<title>Re:Quality Issues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267633200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; And the same for Ubuntu.</p><p>You mean Ubuntu should stop existing? Ubuntu is a fork/branch of Debian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; And the same for Ubuntu.You mean Ubuntu should stop existing ?
Ubuntu is a fork/branch of Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; And the same for Ubuntu.You mean Ubuntu should stop existing?
Ubuntu is a fork/branch of Debian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335310</id>
	<title>Quality Control</title>
	<author>sheehaje</author>
	<datestamp>1267523220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the response that he gave on Ubuntu 9.10 being a buggy release.  One thing I've come to realize isn't the 9.10 is more or less buggy than previous versions, but that I'm starting to use Ubuntu to do more things.  I now have it installed as my main work OS, and I also have Ubuntu 9.10 Studio (which is another beast with the RT Kernel) installed at home to record my band.  So in the end, I notice more bugs that I wouldn't have with earlier versions because I didn't use earlier versions as much.</p><p>With that said, if I install Ubuntu, and use all the default applications and settings, It's a solid experience (read netbook).   The more I tend to install and tweak things the way I like seems to be where I start running into problems (ubuntu studio, work pc with network intensive applications and samba file shares, etc).  Evolution connecting to Exchange 2007 has also been a pet peeve of mine in 9.10, as I was able to do it compiling from source with an updated connector, but 9.10 still doesn't have an update in the repository for it.</p><p>I can use Ubuntu now for much more than I could, but it still has a ways to go before I find it a totally pleasant experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the response that he gave on Ubuntu 9.10 being a buggy release .
One thing I 've come to realize is n't the 9.10 is more or less buggy than previous versions , but that I 'm starting to use Ubuntu to do more things .
I now have it installed as my main work OS , and I also have Ubuntu 9.10 Studio ( which is another beast with the RT Kernel ) installed at home to record my band .
So in the end , I notice more bugs that I would n't have with earlier versions because I did n't use earlier versions as much.With that said , if I install Ubuntu , and use all the default applications and settings , It 's a solid experience ( read netbook ) .
The more I tend to install and tweak things the way I like seems to be where I start running into problems ( ubuntu studio , work pc with network intensive applications and samba file shares , etc ) .
Evolution connecting to Exchange 2007 has also been a pet peeve of mine in 9.10 , as I was able to do it compiling from source with an updated connector , but 9.10 still does n't have an update in the repository for it.I can use Ubuntu now for much more than I could , but it still has a ways to go before I find it a totally pleasant experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the response that he gave on Ubuntu 9.10 being a buggy release.
One thing I've come to realize isn't the 9.10 is more or less buggy than previous versions, but that I'm starting to use Ubuntu to do more things.
I now have it installed as my main work OS, and I also have Ubuntu 9.10 Studio (which is another beast with the RT Kernel) installed at home to record my band.
So in the end, I notice more bugs that I wouldn't have with earlier versions because I didn't use earlier versions as much.With that said, if I install Ubuntu, and use all the default applications and settings, It's a solid experience (read netbook).
The more I tend to install and tweak things the way I like seems to be where I start running into problems (ubuntu studio, work pc with network intensive applications and samba file shares, etc).
Evolution connecting to Exchange 2007 has also been a pet peeve of mine in 9.10, as I was able to do it compiling from source with an updated connector, but 9.10 still doesn't have an update in the repository for it.I can use Ubuntu now for much more than I could, but it still has a ways to go before I find it a totally pleasant experience.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31345224</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>st0nes</author>
	<datestamp>1267630680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had huge problems with 9.10, mostly fixing my screen resolution with the SiS 771/671 graphics (which still doesn't have a 3D driver; will the community come up with one eventually?) and 3G modem doesn't work at all.  This last is a critical shortcoming which is going to force me to leave Ubuntu.  The community suggests I go buy another brand of modem, but I'm not so rich I can just go out and buy new hardware every time a release of Ubuntu breaks stuff.  What really pisses me off is that it is now 4 months since 9.10 was released and these things are <em>still</em> problems.
<br>
Matt saying that because <em>he</em> hasn't had a problem everything's fine makes me question his competency to perform in his new position.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had huge problems with 9.10 , mostly fixing my screen resolution with the SiS 771/671 graphics ( which still does n't have a 3D driver ; will the community come up with one eventually ?
) and 3G modem does n't work at all .
This last is a critical shortcoming which is going to force me to leave Ubuntu .
The community suggests I go buy another brand of modem , but I 'm not so rich I can just go out and buy new hardware every time a release of Ubuntu breaks stuff .
What really pisses me off is that it is now 4 months since 9.10 was released and these things are still problems .
Matt saying that because he has n't had a problem everything 's fine makes me question his competency to perform in his new position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had huge problems with 9.10, mostly fixing my screen resolution with the SiS 771/671 graphics (which still doesn't have a 3D driver; will the community come up with one eventually?
) and 3G modem doesn't work at all.
This last is a critical shortcoming which is going to force me to leave Ubuntu.
The community suggests I go buy another brand of modem, but I'm not so rich I can just go out and buy new hardware every time a release of Ubuntu breaks stuff.
What really pisses me off is that it is now 4 months since 9.10 was released and these things are still problems.
Matt saying that because he hasn't had a problem everything's fine makes me question his competency to perform in his new position.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335030</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1267522380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wanna have more fun?   Throw Jack into the mix.</p><p>I've seen grown men curl up and cry under a desk over Jack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wan na have more fun ?
Throw Jack into the mix.I 've seen grown men curl up and cry under a desk over Jack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wanna have more fun?
Throw Jack into the mix.I've seen grown men curl up and cry under a desk over Jack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334882</id>
	<title>KDE</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1267521900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was disappointed with his response to the questions regarding Gnome &amp; KDE. What I read in his response was 'We have Kubuntu. Please keep using it!'. </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Ubuntu and KDE and GNOME
by Enderandrew (866215)
"I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrudge people the freedom of choice. However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?"

Matt: I'm new to the Ubuntu party, but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu. No?</p></div><p>Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with <a href="http://www.kubuntu.org/news/timelord" title="kubuntu.org">Operation Timelord</a> [kubuntu.org]? That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'</p></div>
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<tokenext>I was disappointed with his response to the questions regarding Gnome &amp; KDE .
What I read in his response was 'We have Kubuntu .
Please keep using it ! ' .
Ubuntu and KDE and GNOME by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) " I loathe Gnome personally but do n't begrudge people the freedom of choice .
However , with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux , do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop ?
" Matt : I 'm new to the Ubuntu party , but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu .
No ? Have you any idea what 's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord [ kubuntu.org ] ?
That 's as close as you can get to saying 'We 're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us , so we 're blowing this popstand and doing it right .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was disappointed with his response to the questions regarding Gnome &amp; KDE.
What I read in his response was 'We have Kubuntu.
Please keep using it!'.
Ubuntu and KDE and GNOME
by Enderandrew (866215)
"I loathe Gnome personally but don't begrudge people the freedom of choice.
However, with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?
"

Matt: I'm new to the Ubuntu party, but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu.
No?Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord [kubuntu.org]?
That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.
'
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31342534</id>
	<title>Re:Frodo?</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1267612680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I watched the movie.  Wasn't Frodo the openly homosexual character?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I watched the movie .
Was n't Frodo the openly homosexual character ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I watched the movie.
Wasn't Frodo the openly homosexual character?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31340598</id>
	<title>Re:What Linux needs yesterday</title>
	<author>FrozenFOXX</author>
	<datestamp>1267552500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Everything a user would want needs to work out of the box, even if that means bundling proprietary video drivers, Flash, etc.</p></div><p>
Shipped?  That'd cost money, of which I'm sure there's distributions that either are willing to do that or already do.  For mainline distros like *buntu, SuSe, and Fedora it's trivial and usually automatic.  Such as popping open Konqueror in Kubuntu automatically tells me that it'd be a good idea to install additional codecs.  Don't tell me other OSes come boxed with this short of that ridiculous cost for things like Win 7 Ultimate (or even SHOULD as it'd be outdated software they'd be shipping the second it hits shelves).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>2. They need a major retail presence. Red Hat had boxed copies in stores ages ago, but most users aren't comfortable replacing an OS. You need to be able to purchase a computer with Linux preinstalled from major retailers. There have been very minor experiments with this, but most retailers seemed to push customers away from the Linux models. This may change a bit with Chrome on netbooks, but Chrome is largely just a browser.</p></div><p>
Why?  Didn't seem to do much for the market share before, I don't see why it'd do anything about it now.  The last time there were major Linux sales was preinstalled systems like at Wal*Mart and netbooks and we see what MS did to quash that.  But really is it THAT important that you see Linux in boxes on shelves?  I can't remember the last person I've seen actually get up, head out, and say, "I'm going to buy an OS today!" It generally doesn't happen.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>3. Linux names marketing. With fragmentation, this is difficult. Google will add some name recognition, but until the average person develops some trust with the Linux "brand", you won't see massive acceptance.</p></div><p>
There will never be "trust" of Linux because people don't even trust Mac or Windows.  The first reaction you get if you ask a layman or even a technical person about either of those as a desktop is, "things just work," but ask them more specifically about any common problem (say, Flash vulnerabilities, needing to configure up AV software, being denied the latest games on Mac, so on and so forth for an army of various things) and that armor starts to crack away.  I've seen even the most die-hard Windows and Mac fans, when pressed, show distrust in their operating system of choice.  They don't like updates, they don't like shelling out more money for something they "just bought," and they fear it "slowing down" or being "insecure" or any number of other things (again, when pressed).<br> <br>

This is because unless you're a technical person already you're a lay person and that means you don't trust <i>computers</i>.  Trusting a "brand" or similar nonsense isn't going to change that.  Computers, no matter how simple we make the interfaces for will ALWAYS be "unknown scary things" to the vast majority of users.  Hell, the only reason people aren't scared of a G1 or an iPhone is because they aren't told it runs an Operating System.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>4. Migration needs to be simple. An installer should help you migrate your documents and settings over without too much pain or grief.</p></div><p>
Point made, but then anyone interested in actually "going Linux" is already paranoid enough about making backups of what they've got.  Seriously, when's the last time you ran into someone who said, "oh noes, I wanted to try Linux and wiped my computer!  WHERE ARE MY FILES!!!!ONE!!!11!!" It doesn't happen.  People will be <b>most</b> paranoid about their backups prior to a Linux installation.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Until those four points are addressed, don't ever expect Linux on the desktop to be anything but a niche product.</p></div><p>
And here I think is part of the problem with the mindset of Linux on the Desktop.  Why does it have to be anything but a niche market?  It's my pet OS for sure, I even give free tech support for it over IRC and forums, use it on every machine in my home (and even at work where I manage integration of Linux and Solaris just in case one or the other is better suited to a task and hardware), and really like the freedom it gives me.  But ultimately Freedom, especially in software, is *not* for everyone.  Just ask an iPhone user.  Some people *enjoy* the confines of being told what they can and cannot do, that they have to shell out ridiculous amounts of money for software that's made better elsewhere pro bono, and will forever be mental slaves to the concept of  "I-buy-whatever-my-vendor-tells-me-to-buy." Some people like having NO choices...actually, if sales of iPods is any indication it would seem <b>most</b> people you'd be "selling" Linux to prefer not to have a choice on something as common as a music player, let alone their computer. To sum up, "people are freakin stupid, fix THAT first."<br> <br>

Linux, *BSD, Solaris, and any number of other even smaller projects are NOT for the mainstream.  We can make them moreso which makes them more pleasant to deal with but the only way you'd see it even *halfway* commonly is if the average intelligence of your userbase went up to the point where they were genuinely curious about what else is out there.  The average user is a knuckle dragging moron who can't even touch-type and is AMAZED when you pull out a desktop cube rotation...they don't actually know what you're doing, only that you're making the screen all funny and nifty.  Seriously, actually ask someone what you just did next time you pull out your Compiz/kwin cube effect.  Even a concept as mind-numbingly simple interface-wise as multiple desktops is a freakin REVELATION, and a VERY SCARY one at that to these people.  I should know, I've worked in many buildings full of these people.  The number of Mac fans who think that Apple invented multiple desktops with, "that nifty but kinda hard to use program 'Spaces,'" borders on the comical.  If you don't believe me set up a chair at a Best Buy sometime and watch the crowd glaze over every time it's enabled.<br> <br>

There's nothing wrong with not being mainstream.  Yeah, it's not as easy...if it was, you wouldn't want to use it anyway.  That's part of the reason anyone uses Linux:  it's <i>interesting</i>.</p></div>
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<tokenext>1 .
Everything a user would want needs to work out of the box , even if that means bundling proprietary video drivers , Flash , etc .
Shipped ? That 'd cost money , of which I 'm sure there 's distributions that either are willing to do that or already do .
For mainline distros like * buntu , SuSe , and Fedora it 's trivial and usually automatic .
Such as popping open Konqueror in Kubuntu automatically tells me that it 'd be a good idea to install additional codecs .
Do n't tell me other OSes come boxed with this short of that ridiculous cost for things like Win 7 Ultimate ( or even SHOULD as it 'd be outdated software they 'd be shipping the second it hits shelves ) .2 .
They need a major retail presence .
Red Hat had boxed copies in stores ages ago , but most users are n't comfortable replacing an OS .
You need to be able to purchase a computer with Linux preinstalled from major retailers .
There have been very minor experiments with this , but most retailers seemed to push customers away from the Linux models .
This may change a bit with Chrome on netbooks , but Chrome is largely just a browser .
Why ? Did n't seem to do much for the market share before , I do n't see why it 'd do anything about it now .
The last time there were major Linux sales was preinstalled systems like at Wal * Mart and netbooks and we see what MS did to quash that .
But really is it THAT important that you see Linux in boxes on shelves ?
I ca n't remember the last person I 've seen actually get up , head out , and say , " I 'm going to buy an OS today !
" It generally does n't happen.3 .
Linux names marketing .
With fragmentation , this is difficult .
Google will add some name recognition , but until the average person develops some trust with the Linux " brand " , you wo n't see massive acceptance .
There will never be " trust " of Linux because people do n't even trust Mac or Windows .
The first reaction you get if you ask a layman or even a technical person about either of those as a desktop is , " things just work , " but ask them more specifically about any common problem ( say , Flash vulnerabilities , needing to configure up AV software , being denied the latest games on Mac , so on and so forth for an army of various things ) and that armor starts to crack away .
I 've seen even the most die-hard Windows and Mac fans , when pressed , show distrust in their operating system of choice .
They do n't like updates , they do n't like shelling out more money for something they " just bought , " and they fear it " slowing down " or being " insecure " or any number of other things ( again , when pressed ) .
This is because unless you 're a technical person already you 're a lay person and that means you do n't trust computers .
Trusting a " brand " or similar nonsense is n't going to change that .
Computers , no matter how simple we make the interfaces for will ALWAYS be " unknown scary things " to the vast majority of users .
Hell , the only reason people are n't scared of a G1 or an iPhone is because they are n't told it runs an Operating System.4 .
Migration needs to be simple .
An installer should help you migrate your documents and settings over without too much pain or grief .
Point made , but then anyone interested in actually " going Linux " is already paranoid enough about making backups of what they 've got .
Seriously , when 's the last time you ran into someone who said , " oh noes , I wanted to try Linux and wiped my computer !
WHERE ARE MY FILES ! ! ! ! ONE ! ! ! 11 ! !
" It does n't happen .
People will be most paranoid about their backups prior to a Linux installation.Until those four points are addressed , do n't ever expect Linux on the desktop to be anything but a niche product .
And here I think is part of the problem with the mindset of Linux on the Desktop .
Why does it have to be anything but a niche market ?
It 's my pet OS for sure , I even give free tech support for it over IRC and forums , use it on every machine in my home ( and even at work where I manage integration of Linux and Solaris just in case one or the other is better suited to a task and hardware ) , and really like the freedom it gives me .
But ultimately Freedom , especially in software , is * not * for everyone .
Just ask an iPhone user .
Some people * enjoy * the confines of being told what they can and can not do , that they have to shell out ridiculous amounts of money for software that 's made better elsewhere pro bono , and will forever be mental slaves to the concept of " I-buy-whatever-my-vendor-tells-me-to-buy .
" Some people like having NO choices...actually , if sales of iPods is any indication it would seem most people you 'd be " selling " Linux to prefer not to have a choice on something as common as a music player , let alone their computer .
To sum up , " people are freakin stupid , fix THAT first .
" Linux , * BSD , Solaris , and any number of other even smaller projects are NOT for the mainstream .
We can make them moreso which makes them more pleasant to deal with but the only way you 'd see it even * halfway * commonly is if the average intelligence of your userbase went up to the point where they were genuinely curious about what else is out there .
The average user is a knuckle dragging moron who ca n't even touch-type and is AMAZED when you pull out a desktop cube rotation...they do n't actually know what you 're doing , only that you 're making the screen all funny and nifty .
Seriously , actually ask someone what you just did next time you pull out your Compiz/kwin cube effect .
Even a concept as mind-numbingly simple interface-wise as multiple desktops is a freakin REVELATION , and a VERY SCARY one at that to these people .
I should know , I 've worked in many buildings full of these people .
The number of Mac fans who think that Apple invented multiple desktops with , " that nifty but kinda hard to use program 'Spaces, ' " borders on the comical .
If you do n't believe me set up a chair at a Best Buy sometime and watch the crowd glaze over every time it 's enabled .
There 's nothing wrong with not being mainstream .
Yeah , it 's not as easy...if it was , you would n't want to use it anyway .
That 's part of the reason anyone uses Linux : it 's interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Everything a user would want needs to work out of the box, even if that means bundling proprietary video drivers, Flash, etc.
Shipped?  That'd cost money, of which I'm sure there's distributions that either are willing to do that or already do.
For mainline distros like *buntu, SuSe, and Fedora it's trivial and usually automatic.
Such as popping open Konqueror in Kubuntu automatically tells me that it'd be a good idea to install additional codecs.
Don't tell me other OSes come boxed with this short of that ridiculous cost for things like Win 7 Ultimate (or even SHOULD as it'd be outdated software they'd be shipping the second it hits shelves).2.
They need a major retail presence.
Red Hat had boxed copies in stores ages ago, but most users aren't comfortable replacing an OS.
You need to be able to purchase a computer with Linux preinstalled from major retailers.
There have been very minor experiments with this, but most retailers seemed to push customers away from the Linux models.
This may change a bit with Chrome on netbooks, but Chrome is largely just a browser.
Why?  Didn't seem to do much for the market share before, I don't see why it'd do anything about it now.
The last time there were major Linux sales was preinstalled systems like at Wal*Mart and netbooks and we see what MS did to quash that.
But really is it THAT important that you see Linux in boxes on shelves?
I can't remember the last person I've seen actually get up, head out, and say, "I'm going to buy an OS today!
" It generally doesn't happen.3.
Linux names marketing.
With fragmentation, this is difficult.
Google will add some name recognition, but until the average person develops some trust with the Linux "brand", you won't see massive acceptance.
There will never be "trust" of Linux because people don't even trust Mac or Windows.
The first reaction you get if you ask a layman or even a technical person about either of those as a desktop is, "things just work," but ask them more specifically about any common problem (say, Flash vulnerabilities, needing to configure up AV software, being denied the latest games on Mac, so on and so forth for an army of various things) and that armor starts to crack away.
I've seen even the most die-hard Windows and Mac fans, when pressed, show distrust in their operating system of choice.
They don't like updates, they don't like shelling out more money for something they "just bought," and they fear it "slowing down" or being "insecure" or any number of other things (again, when pressed).
This is because unless you're a technical person already you're a lay person and that means you don't trust computers.
Trusting a "brand" or similar nonsense isn't going to change that.
Computers, no matter how simple we make the interfaces for will ALWAYS be "unknown scary things" to the vast majority of users.
Hell, the only reason people aren't scared of a G1 or an iPhone is because they aren't told it runs an Operating System.4.
Migration needs to be simple.
An installer should help you migrate your documents and settings over without too much pain or grief.
Point made, but then anyone interested in actually "going Linux" is already paranoid enough about making backups of what they've got.
Seriously, when's the last time you ran into someone who said, "oh noes, I wanted to try Linux and wiped my computer!
WHERE ARE MY FILES!!!!ONE!!!11!!
" It doesn't happen.
People will be most paranoid about their backups prior to a Linux installation.Until those four points are addressed, don't ever expect Linux on the desktop to be anything but a niche product.
And here I think is part of the problem with the mindset of Linux on the Desktop.
Why does it have to be anything but a niche market?
It's my pet OS for sure, I even give free tech support for it over IRC and forums, use it on every machine in my home (and even at work where I manage integration of Linux and Solaris just in case one or the other is better suited to a task and hardware), and really like the freedom it gives me.
But ultimately Freedom, especially in software, is *not* for everyone.
Just ask an iPhone user.
Some people *enjoy* the confines of being told what they can and cannot do, that they have to shell out ridiculous amounts of money for software that's made better elsewhere pro bono, and will forever be mental slaves to the concept of  "I-buy-whatever-my-vendor-tells-me-to-buy.
" Some people like having NO choices...actually, if sales of iPods is any indication it would seem most people you'd be "selling" Linux to prefer not to have a choice on something as common as a music player, let alone their computer.
To sum up, "people are freakin stupid, fix THAT first.
" 

Linux, *BSD, Solaris, and any number of other even smaller projects are NOT for the mainstream.
We can make them moreso which makes them more pleasant to deal with but the only way you'd see it even *halfway* commonly is if the average intelligence of your userbase went up to the point where they were genuinely curious about what else is out there.
The average user is a knuckle dragging moron who can't even touch-type and is AMAZED when you pull out a desktop cube rotation...they don't actually know what you're doing, only that you're making the screen all funny and nifty.
Seriously, actually ask someone what you just did next time you pull out your Compiz/kwin cube effect.
Even a concept as mind-numbingly simple interface-wise as multiple desktops is a freakin REVELATION, and a VERY SCARY one at that to these people.
I should know, I've worked in many buildings full of these people.
The number of Mac fans who think that Apple invented multiple desktops with, "that nifty but kinda hard to use program 'Spaces,'" borders on the comical.
If you don't believe me set up a chair at a Best Buy sometime and watch the crowd glaze over every time it's enabled.
There's nothing wrong with not being mainstream.
Yeah, it's not as easy...if it was, you wouldn't want to use it anyway.
That's part of the reason anyone uses Linux:  it's interesting.
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	<title>Re:Forget gaming, I guess...</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1267535040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All in all the most amazing thing about this Q&amp;A is how he readily admits that he really has only used Ubuntu for his primary OS for a few weeks now. The thought that someone as ignorant as me, about the internals on Linux, has used Ubuntu more than its new COO is just stunning.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I was thinking at first that someone coming to Ubuntu with fresh eyes would note things that seem obvious to a seasoned user but aren't, so that could be useful. OTOH, it is just as important to keep those who have been using it happy, as it is easier to keep an existing user than to have to sell to a new user.</p></div>
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<tokenext>All in all the most amazing thing about this Q&amp;A is how he readily admits that he really has only used Ubuntu for his primary OS for a few weeks now .
The thought that someone as ignorant as me , about the internals on Linux , has used Ubuntu more than its new COO is just stunning .
I was thinking at first that someone coming to Ubuntu with fresh eyes would note things that seem obvious to a seasoned user but are n't , so that could be useful .
OTOH , it is just as important to keep those who have been using it happy , as it is easier to keep an existing user than to have to sell to a new user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All in all the most amazing thing about this Q&amp;A is how he readily admits that he really has only used Ubuntu for his primary OS for a few weeks now.
The thought that someone as ignorant as me, about the internals on Linux, has used Ubuntu more than its new COO is just stunning.
I was thinking at first that someone coming to Ubuntu with fresh eyes would note things that seem obvious to a seasoned user but aren't, so that could be useful.
OTOH, it is just as important to keep those who have been using it happy, as it is easier to keep an existing user than to have to sell to a new user.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31341494</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1267647180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound. Now, what he was doing there is is meeting a "your distro sucks" accusation with a "does not!" reply which is to some degree fair. However that doesn't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap, and sound is just flat out broken.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Yep. It's one thing to put out a bad release. It's another thing entirely to deny that it was a bad release. Asay's entire answer to davidm2005's question and my question seems to be nothing but denial that there's a problem. Very disappointing. I've gotten a lot of good mileage out of ubuntu, but if the attitude is that they can't even admit that they have quality control problems, then I guess it's time to look around for another distro that actually cares about quality.
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<tokenext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound .
Now , what he was doing there is is meeting a " your distro sucks " accusation with a " does not !
" reply which is to some degree fair .
However that does n't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap , and sound is just flat out broken .
Yep. It 's one thing to put out a bad release .
It 's another thing entirely to deny that it was a bad release .
Asay 's entire answer to davidm2005 's question and my question seems to be nothing but denial that there 's a problem .
Very disappointing .
I 've gotten a lot of good mileage out of ubuntu , but if the attitude is that they ca n't even admit that they have quality control problems , then I guess it 's time to look around for another distro that actually cares about quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He just brushed away the two very important issues of the Kubuntu Desktop and sound.
Now, what he was doing there is is meeting a "your distro sucks" accusation with a "does not!
" reply which is to some degree fair.
However that doesn't change the apparently common opinion that the Kubuntu desktop is crap, and sound is just flat out broken.
Yep. It's one thing to put out a bad release.
It's another thing entirely to deny that it was a bad release.
Asay's entire answer to davidm2005's question and my question seems to be nothing but denial that there's a problem.
Very disappointing.
I've gotten a lot of good mileage out of ubuntu, but if the attitude is that they can't even admit that they have quality control problems, then I guess it's time to look around for another distro that actually cares about quality.

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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335398</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267523520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not Kubuntu's fault that KDE only got barely usable again after the 4.3 release. I kept myself on the 8.04 LTS until karmic was out for 3 months, because KDE 4 just plain sucked before that. Even now they don't have everything ported to 4 yet or don't have all the old functionality back yet.</p><p>You might blame them for having KDE 4 as the default KDE version though. However, I personally had no difficulties at all, living with the LTS. It had my precious KDE 3 and everything else worked fine too. If you are the kind of person that installs a new version of Software X right on release day, well then you take at least half the blame for yourself.</p><p>Also, my two last Kubuntu version (8.04 LTS and 9.10) have no issues with sound whatsoever. I don't know if I am in the minority or you are, but Kubuntu is definitely not a 100\% guarantee for broken sound<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not Kubuntu 's fault that KDE only got barely usable again after the 4.3 release .
I kept myself on the 8.04 LTS until karmic was out for 3 months , because KDE 4 just plain sucked before that .
Even now they do n't have everything ported to 4 yet or do n't have all the old functionality back yet.You might blame them for having KDE 4 as the default KDE version though .
However , I personally had no difficulties at all , living with the LTS .
It had my precious KDE 3 and everything else worked fine too .
If you are the kind of person that installs a new version of Software X right on release day , well then you take at least half the blame for yourself.Also , my two last Kubuntu version ( 8.04 LTS and 9.10 ) have no issues with sound whatsoever .
I do n't know if I am in the minority or you are , but Kubuntu is definitely not a 100 \ % guarantee for broken sound : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not Kubuntu's fault that KDE only got barely usable again after the 4.3 release.
I kept myself on the 8.04 LTS until karmic was out for 3 months, because KDE 4 just plain sucked before that.
Even now they don't have everything ported to 4 yet or don't have all the old functionality back yet.You might blame them for having KDE 4 as the default KDE version though.
However, I personally had no difficulties at all, living with the LTS.
It had my precious KDE 3 and everything else worked fine too.
If you are the kind of person that installs a new version of Software X right on release day, well then you take at least half the blame for yourself.Also, my two last Kubuntu version (8.04 LTS and 9.10) have no issues with sound whatsoever.
I don't know if I am in the minority or you are, but Kubuntu is definitely not a 100\% guarantee for broken sound :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337804</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1267533000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Did it every occur to you that some people might actually hold the opposite opinion? That they might be glad Ubuntu chose a single desktop to focus on, rather than dividing their efforts</p></div><p>That's not the opposite opinion.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Gnome, which is sleek, clean, and works, rather than the horrible, ugly, cluttered mess that is KDE?</p></div><p>That is.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Everything about KDE rules.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Ubuntu's terrible implementation of KDE</p></div><p>Riiiight...</p><p>If you note it, your parent said worse things about (the ubuntu implementation of) KDE than he did about GNOME---at least if you consider "terrible" worse than "[has] shortcomings".</p><p>How come you felt a need to become so defensive?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Did it every occur to you that some people might actually hold the opposite opinion ?
That they might be glad Ubuntu chose a single desktop to focus on , rather than dividing their effortsThat 's not the opposite opinion.Gnome , which is sleek , clean , and works , rather than the horrible , ugly , cluttered mess that is KDE ? That is.Everything about KDE rules.Ubuntu 's terrible implementation of KDERiiiight...If you note it , your parent said worse things about ( the ubuntu implementation of ) KDE than he did about GNOME---at least if you consider " terrible " worse than " [ has ] shortcomings " .How come you felt a need to become so defensive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did it every occur to you that some people might actually hold the opposite opinion?
That they might be glad Ubuntu chose a single desktop to focus on, rather than dividing their effortsThat's not the opposite opinion.Gnome, which is sleek, clean, and works, rather than the horrible, ugly, cluttered mess that is KDE?That is.Everything about KDE rules.Ubuntu's terrible implementation of KDERiiiight...If you note it, your parent said worse things about (the ubuntu implementation of) KDE than he did about GNOME---at least if you consider "terrible" worse than "[has] shortcomings".How come you felt a need to become so defensive?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335860</id>
	<title>I found this to be telling</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1267525260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As more applications move to the Web and as application developers improve their support for Linux (a trend I've noticed happening), it will matter even less.</p> </div><p>So Ubuntu's future is as a Linux kernel with a window manager in X to run a web browser? Canonical's plans do not include broad applications support? Not even so far as to work with the Wine team in producing a migration path by getting more critical Windows apps (Quicken, Adobe CS) to the gold status?</p><p>"99.9999\%" of an operating system's relevance is in messaging and AJAX supported applications? That doesn't sound like much of a game plan for anything other than Ubuntu becoming the Cadillac of embedded systems. It's as if Mr. Asay thinks the future of the operating system is irrelevance.</p><p>While this may be true, it isn't much of a business plan.</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></div>
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<tokenext>As more applications move to the Web and as application developers improve their support for Linux ( a trend I 've noticed happening ) , it will matter even less .
So Ubuntu 's future is as a Linux kernel with a window manager in X to run a web browser ?
Canonical 's plans do not include broad applications support ?
Not even so far as to work with the Wine team in producing a migration path by getting more critical Windows apps ( Quicken , Adobe CS ) to the gold status ?
" 99.9999 \ % " of an operating system 's relevance is in messaging and AJAX supported applications ?
That does n't sound like much of a game plan for anything other than Ubuntu becoming the Cadillac of embedded systems .
It 's as if Mr. Asay thinks the future of the operating system is irrelevance.While this may be true , it is n't much of a business plan.--Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As more applications move to the Web and as application developers improve their support for Linux (a trend I've noticed happening), it will matter even less.
So Ubuntu's future is as a Linux kernel with a window manager in X to run a web browser?
Canonical's plans do not include broad applications support?
Not even so far as to work with the Wine team in producing a migration path by getting more critical Windows apps (Quicken, Adobe CS) to the gold status?
"99.9999\%" of an operating system's relevance is in messaging and AJAX supported applications?
That doesn't sound like much of a game plan for anything other than Ubuntu becoming the Cadillac of embedded systems.
It's as if Mr. Asay thinks the future of the operating system is irrelevance.While this may be true, it isn't much of a business plan.--Toro
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335374</id>
	<title>you actually care what he has to say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267523460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you guys must be total fags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you guys must be total fags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you guys must be total fags.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335150</id>
	<title>buggy stuff</title>
	<author>Mantis8</author>
	<datestamp>1267522740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to echo the sentiment of many others - ubuntu is just too buggy.  The first version I used seemed to work ok, but had warnings saying that several drivers were missing, so I upgraded to the next version (9.04).  It had password issues that I had to go into grub to fix, and it never worked right.  I couldn't update anything because my root pw was hosed.  So I waited until the next version (9.10), bought a new cd for $0.99 on ebay, reformatted the hdd, and ended up with the same issue.  So I took a chance &amp; switched to linux mint.  It too worked fine at first, but after the first batch of updates, I ended up right where I started from: with a bad root password so that I couldn't upgrade anything.  This time I reformatted &amp; only installed updates with a # 1 or #2 on it and so far, it's ok.  I'm a linux noob, &amp; have been tempted to go back to windows, but at $300-$400 for a brand-new version of windows 7, I'm going to stick to linux.  At least its extremely low cost ($0.99 on ebay), open office is free instead of several hundred dollars for MS office, &amp; I don't get all the malware.  Not to mention I can install it on as many machines as I want &amp; don't have to activate or register it.  But when the next linux version comes out, I"m going to wait a while to see how it goes out there before I immediately jump in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to echo the sentiment of many others - ubuntu is just too buggy .
The first version I used seemed to work ok , but had warnings saying that several drivers were missing , so I upgraded to the next version ( 9.04 ) .
It had password issues that I had to go into grub to fix , and it never worked right .
I could n't update anything because my root pw was hosed .
So I waited until the next version ( 9.10 ) , bought a new cd for $ 0.99 on ebay , reformatted the hdd , and ended up with the same issue .
So I took a chance &amp; switched to linux mint .
It too worked fine at first , but after the first batch of updates , I ended up right where I started from : with a bad root password so that I could n't upgrade anything .
This time I reformatted &amp; only installed updates with a # 1 or # 2 on it and so far , it 's ok. I 'm a linux noob , &amp; have been tempted to go back to windows , but at $ 300- $ 400 for a brand-new version of windows 7 , I 'm going to stick to linux .
At least its extremely low cost ( $ 0.99 on ebay ) , open office is free instead of several hundred dollars for MS office , &amp; I do n't get all the malware .
Not to mention I can install it on as many machines as I want &amp; do n't have to activate or register it .
But when the next linux version comes out , I " m going to wait a while to see how it goes out there before I immediately jump in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to echo the sentiment of many others - ubuntu is just too buggy.
The first version I used seemed to work ok, but had warnings saying that several drivers were missing, so I upgraded to the next version (9.04).
It had password issues that I had to go into grub to fix, and it never worked right.
I couldn't update anything because my root pw was hosed.
So I waited until the next version (9.10), bought a new cd for $0.99 on ebay, reformatted the hdd, and ended up with the same issue.
So I took a chance &amp; switched to linux mint.
It too worked fine at first, but after the first batch of updates, I ended up right where I started from: with a bad root password so that I couldn't upgrade anything.
This time I reformatted &amp; only installed updates with a # 1 or #2 on it and so far, it's ok.  I'm a linux noob, &amp; have been tempted to go back to windows, but at $300-$400 for a brand-new version of windows 7, I'm going to stick to linux.
At least its extremely low cost ($0.99 on ebay), open office is free instead of several hundred dollars for MS office, &amp; I don't get all the malware.
Not to mention I can install it on as many machines as I want &amp; don't have to activate or register it.
But when the next linux version comes out, I"m going to wait a while to see how it goes out there before I immediately jump in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336882</id>
	<title>xps 13 no more, alternative?</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1267529400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" Millions upon millions of users. Importantly, with our hardware partners we are providing certified, pre-installed, and supported Ubuntu on an ever-widening array of hardware. Dell's XPS 13 is just one awesome example. "</p><p>Was curious what the XPS 13 is like.  According to Dell's site, it is no longer made.  I looked at the i7 XPS 17, it didn't have linux as a choice.<br>I'll be purchasing a new laptop for work soon, does Dell still offer Linux on laptops?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Millions upon millions of users .
Importantly , with our hardware partners we are providing certified , pre-installed , and supported Ubuntu on an ever-widening array of hardware .
Dell 's XPS 13 is just one awesome example .
" Was curious what the XPS 13 is like .
According to Dell 's site , it is no longer made .
I looked at the i7 XPS 17 , it did n't have linux as a choice.I 'll be purchasing a new laptop for work soon , does Dell still offer Linux on laptops ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" Millions upon millions of users.
Importantly, with our hardware partners we are providing certified, pre-installed, and supported Ubuntu on an ever-widening array of hardware.
Dell's XPS 13 is just one awesome example.
"Was curious what the XPS 13 is like.
According to Dell's site, it is no longer made.
I looked at the i7 XPS 17, it didn't have linux as a choice.I'll be purchasing a new laptop for work soon, does Dell still offer Linux on laptops?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334646</id>
	<title>He'd say mass</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1267521000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From this interview: <i>I've never considered myself at odds with the goals of freedom-first software advocates</i> </p><p>And just last September he wrote that &quot;<a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505\_3-10361785-16.html" title="cnet.com">Free software is dead. Long live open source</a> [cnet.com]&quot;, where he writes:</p><p> <i>Free software makes for great headlines ("Miguel de Icaza is basically a traitor to the Free Software community"), but it is far too demanding, and of largely the wrong things, to capture mainstream interest.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The path forward is open source, not free software.  Sometimes that openness will mean embracing Microsoft in order to meet a customer's needs.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Free software has lost.</i> </p><p>Dude, that's you being at odds with the goals of the freedom-first advocates.  You can embrace Microsoft all you like.  Meanwhile, I'm busy working to minimise the patent and FUD harm they're doing to us.  <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Canonical" title="swpat.org">Canonical</a> [swpat.org] have been helpful so far in campaigns against software patents.  I hope there won't be a new "don't offend Microsoft" vibe that changes this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From this interview : I 've never considered myself at odds with the goals of freedom-first software advocates And just last September he wrote that " Free software is dead .
Long live open source [ cnet.com ] " , where he writes : Free software makes for great headlines ( " Miguel de Icaza is basically a traitor to the Free Software community " ) , but it is far too demanding , and of largely the wrong things , to capture mainstream interest .
... The path forward is open source , not free software .
Sometimes that openness will mean embracing Microsoft in order to meet a customer 's needs .
...Free software has lost .
Dude , that 's you being at odds with the goals of the freedom-first advocates .
You can embrace Microsoft all you like .
Meanwhile , I 'm busy working to minimise the patent and FUD harm they 're doing to us .
Canonical [ swpat.org ] have been helpful so far in campaigns against software patents .
I hope there wo n't be a new " do n't offend Microsoft " vibe that changes this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From this interview: I've never considered myself at odds with the goals of freedom-first software advocates And just last September he wrote that "Free software is dead.
Long live open source [cnet.com]", where he writes: Free software makes for great headlines ("Miguel de Icaza is basically a traitor to the Free Software community"), but it is far too demanding, and of largely the wrong things, to capture mainstream interest.
... The path forward is open source, not free software.
Sometimes that openness will mean embracing Microsoft in order to meet a customer's needs.
...Free software has lost.
Dude, that's you being at odds with the goals of the freedom-first advocates.
You can embrace Microsoft all you like.
Meanwhile, I'm busy working to minimise the patent and FUD harm they're doing to us.
Canonical [swpat.org] have been helpful so far in campaigns against software patents.
I hope there won't be a new "don't offend Microsoft" vibe that changes this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31361806</id>
	<title>Re:xps 13 no more, alternative?</title>
	<author>eyore15</author>
	<datestamp>1267693260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>check out system76.  all their systems come with ubuntu installed.  I have the Starling netbook and everything worked right out of the box.  There were some problems with 9.10, but it seems everyone had trouble with that release.  They have a support forum on the Ubuntu forums if you want to take a look.

mcm</htmltext>
<tokenext>check out system76 .
all their systems come with ubuntu installed .
I have the Starling netbook and everything worked right out of the box .
There were some problems with 9.10 , but it seems everyone had trouble with that release .
They have a support forum on the Ubuntu forums if you want to take a look .
mcm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>check out system76.
all their systems come with ubuntu installed.
I have the Starling netbook and everything worked right out of the box.
There were some problems with 9.10, but it seems everyone had trouble with that release.
They have a support forum on the Ubuntu forums if you want to take a look.
mcm</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31348694</id>
	<title>Re:KDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267645740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as this is becoming a flame war I just got to add that I don't understand the hostility on the side of KDE users against Gnome. They are different. Personally, I think KDE is a bloated piece of shit. Not talking about memory footprint or performance, but just visually it feels like a porn portal, those adult sites with no original content and really just a bunch of banner adds. Nothing is especially useful to what you are doing in the moment and instead just bombarded with everything you could be doing. Its like someone took Mac OSX and said "Gee, this would be a really great OS, but there just aren't enough widgets... oh yeah, and MS Word would be great, but how do I make text blink with the background and foreground in a greater variety of colors." Someone should really tell that person about KDE. And as if that wasn't the worst part, KDE creates all these arbitrary standards putting menus into every application as if it is somehow going to force developers to document better. Its always "click here for help!!! click here for more information!!!" and then either because the app doesn't make any sense or pure curiosity you give in and click one of these damn things, and all you get an error message more or less letting you know the feature hasn't been implemented. WTH?!? Every app just starts to feel like a big advertisement for the boiler plate. The redundancy of everything in KDE wouldn't be nearly so annoying if it actually worked. The only reason I can imagine for any kind of popularity for KDE is that it always appears as though as if it is about to become something. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are just incrementally working on every feature anybody has ever thought of and giving equal time to everything in a spirit of fairness.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Steps to improving KDE:<br>0: Setup a meeting with Andy Hunt.<br>1: Have him give everyone a swift kick in the ass.<br>2: Make everyone just stop what they are doing for a moment and read a book. Preferably something on "design principles", or "project management", but I won't hold by breathe.<br>
&nbsp; <br>OR If you like KDE, use it and STFU! If you think KDE has potential and better than alternatives, make practical suggestions. If it is buggy, maybe there are enough damn suggestions and you need to get off your ass and read a book on KDE development.<br>&lt;/flame&gt;<br>
&nbsp; <br>I like gnome, look forward to gnome 3 being even better. I don't get why some prefer KDE, but whatever. Glad KDE lovers have a place to go and doesn't influence Gnome. The only reason I might have to honestly criticize KDE would be if I were looking to switch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as this is becoming a flame war I just got to add that I do n't understand the hostility on the side of KDE users against Gnome .
They are different .
Personally , I think KDE is a bloated piece of shit .
Not talking about memory footprint or performance , but just visually it feels like a porn portal , those adult sites with no original content and really just a bunch of banner adds .
Nothing is especially useful to what you are doing in the moment and instead just bombarded with everything you could be doing .
Its like someone took Mac OSX and said " Gee , this would be a really great OS , but there just are n't enough widgets... oh yeah , and MS Word would be great , but how do I make text blink with the background and foreground in a greater variety of colors .
" Someone should really tell that person about KDE .
And as if that was n't the worst part , KDE creates all these arbitrary standards putting menus into every application as if it is somehow going to force developers to document better .
Its always " click here for help ! ! !
click here for more information ! ! !
" and then either because the app does n't make any sense or pure curiosity you give in and click one of these damn things , and all you get an error message more or less letting you know the feature has n't been implemented .
WTH ? ! ? Every app just starts to feel like a big advertisement for the boiler plate .
The redundancy of everything in KDE would n't be nearly so annoying if it actually worked .
The only reason I can imagine for any kind of popularity for KDE is that it always appears as though as if it is about to become something .
I 'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are just incrementally working on every feature anybody has ever thought of and giving equal time to everything in a spirit of fairness .
  Steps to improving KDE : 0 : Setup a meeting with Andy Hunt.1 : Have him give everyone a swift kick in the ass.2 : Make everyone just stop what they are doing for a moment and read a book .
Preferably something on " design principles " , or " project management " , but I wo n't hold by breathe .
  OR If you like KDE , use it and STFU !
If you think KDE has potential and better than alternatives , make practical suggestions .
If it is buggy , maybe there are enough damn suggestions and you need to get off your ass and read a book on KDE development .
  I like gnome , look forward to gnome 3 being even better .
I do n't get why some prefer KDE , but whatever .
Glad KDE lovers have a place to go and does n't influence Gnome .
The only reason I might have to honestly criticize KDE would be if I were looking to switch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as this is becoming a flame war I just got to add that I don't understand the hostility on the side of KDE users against Gnome.
They are different.
Personally, I think KDE is a bloated piece of shit.
Not talking about memory footprint or performance, but just visually it feels like a porn portal, those adult sites with no original content and really just a bunch of banner adds.
Nothing is especially useful to what you are doing in the moment and instead just bombarded with everything you could be doing.
Its like someone took Mac OSX and said "Gee, this would be a really great OS, but there just aren't enough widgets... oh yeah, and MS Word would be great, but how do I make text blink with the background and foreground in a greater variety of colors.
" Someone should really tell that person about KDE.
And as if that wasn't the worst part, KDE creates all these arbitrary standards putting menus into every application as if it is somehow going to force developers to document better.
Its always "click here for help!!!
click here for more information!!!
" and then either because the app doesn't make any sense or pure curiosity you give in and click one of these damn things, and all you get an error message more or less letting you know the feature hasn't been implemented.
WTH?!? Every app just starts to feel like a big advertisement for the boiler plate.
The redundancy of everything in KDE wouldn't be nearly so annoying if it actually worked.
The only reason I can imagine for any kind of popularity for KDE is that it always appears as though as if it is about to become something.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are just incrementally working on every feature anybody has ever thought of and giving equal time to everything in a spirit of fairness.
  Steps to improving KDE:0: Setup a meeting with Andy Hunt.1: Have him give everyone a swift kick in the ass.2: Make everyone just stop what they are doing for a moment and read a book.
Preferably something on "design principles", or "project management", but I won't hold by breathe.
  OR If you like KDE, use it and STFU!
If you think KDE has potential and better than alternatives, make practical suggestions.
If it is buggy, maybe there are enough damn suggestions and you need to get off your ass and read a book on KDE development.
  I like gnome, look forward to gnome 3 being even better.
I don't get why some prefer KDE, but whatever.
Glad KDE lovers have a place to go and doesn't influence Gnome.
The only reason I might have to honestly criticize KDE would be if I were looking to switch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337874</id>
	<title>Step 1: remove PulseAudio</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1267533360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE, or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what.</p></div><p>There's your problem: whenever sound is troubling you on Ubuntu, step one is always to uninstall PulseAudio.</p><p>Now, PulseAudio might be great.  I hear it is.  It just isn't on Ubuntu.  So remove that from the equation, and sound should work much better.</p><p>(Speaking only from personal experience, apply salt, YMMV, etc.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE , or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what.There 's your problem : whenever sound is troubling you on Ubuntu , step one is always to uninstall PulseAudio.Now , PulseAudio might be great .
I hear it is .
It just is n't on Ubuntu .
So remove that from the equation , and sound should work much better .
( Speaking only from personal experience , apply salt , YMMV , etc .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know to what extent these problems are the fault of Ubuntu as opposed to KDE, or the fault of the Linux kernel using Pulse or what.There's your problem: whenever sound is troubling you on Ubuntu, step one is always to uninstall PulseAudio.Now, PulseAudio might be great.
I hear it is.
It just isn't on Ubuntu.
So remove that from the equation, and sound should work much better.
(Speaking only from personal experience, apply salt, YMMV, etc.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337188</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1267530360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Luckily that's not the case. I built the computer and it uses a separate nVidia card rather than something built into the mobo and same goes for the sound card with is an SB card.
<br> <br>
The nVidia card has been awesome with each new release. I do think Pulse audio was a bit of a problem but one that should be resolved now.
<br> <br>
My only issue now is why it will go ape shit and grind to a halt if something is left open for days. I'm not entirely sure what it is but I suspect it's Firefox while Flash is running on a page.
<br> <br>
I'm not too bothered about that but if I forget and I connect to my machine to startup tomcat for some of my apps then I'm well aware if I've left whatever it is running.
<br> <br>
All in all they are minor problems but it's just annoying that I've had zero problems with the last two releases and this one was a bit of pain to get up and running perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Luckily that 's not the case .
I built the computer and it uses a separate nVidia card rather than something built into the mobo and same goes for the sound card with is an SB card .
The nVidia card has been awesome with each new release .
I do think Pulse audio was a bit of a problem but one that should be resolved now .
My only issue now is why it will go ape shit and grind to a halt if something is left open for days .
I 'm not entirely sure what it is but I suspect it 's Firefox while Flash is running on a page .
I 'm not too bothered about that but if I forget and I connect to my machine to startup tomcat for some of my apps then I 'm well aware if I 've left whatever it is running .
All in all they are minor problems but it 's just annoying that I 've had zero problems with the last two releases and this one was a bit of pain to get up and running perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Luckily that's not the case.
I built the computer and it uses a separate nVidia card rather than something built into the mobo and same goes for the sound card with is an SB card.
The nVidia card has been awesome with each new release.
I do think Pulse audio was a bit of a problem but one that should be resolved now.
My only issue now is why it will go ape shit and grind to a halt if something is left open for days.
I'm not entirely sure what it is but I suspect it's Firefox while Flash is running on a page.
I'm not too bothered about that but if I forget and I connect to my machine to startup tomcat for some of my apps then I'm well aware if I've left whatever it is running.
All in all they are minor problems but it's just annoying that I've had zero problems with the last two releases and this one was a bit of pain to get up and running perfectly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31344490</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>jjinco33</author>
	<datestamp>1267627140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I assume there is a major problem, or problems, with sound for many people on Ubuntu? My experience has been the opposite. Since upgrading to 9.10, issues I had with sound just not working have been fixed. Graphics problems I had under 8.10 and 9.04 are resolved (though after the upgrade they were worse until I updated). Overall experience on my old Dell Dimension 3000 is improved.

Then again this is simply my experience, and yours may be worth more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume there is a major problem , or problems , with sound for many people on Ubuntu ?
My experience has been the opposite .
Since upgrading to 9.10 , issues I had with sound just not working have been fixed .
Graphics problems I had under 8.10 and 9.04 are resolved ( though after the upgrade they were worse until I updated ) .
Overall experience on my old Dell Dimension 3000 is improved .
Then again this is simply my experience , and yours may be worth more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume there is a major problem, or problems, with sound for many people on Ubuntu?
My experience has been the opposite.
Since upgrading to 9.10, issues I had with sound just not working have been fixed.
Graphics problems I had under 8.10 and 9.04 are resolved (though after the upgrade they were worse until I updated).
Overall experience on my old Dell Dimension 3000 is improved.
Then again this is simply my experience, and yours may be worth more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334262</id>
	<title>This was good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267562520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite the occasional snobbish answer, this was a good Q and A.  Thanks Slashdot!  You guys aren't just Microsoft bashing and astro turfing after all!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite the occasional snobbish answer , this was a good Q and A. Thanks Slashdot !
You guys are n't just Microsoft bashing and astro turfing after all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite the occasional snobbish answer, this was a good Q and A.  Thanks Slashdot!
You guys aren't just Microsoft bashing and astro turfing after all!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335712</id>
	<title>Failzo8s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267524660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Usenet. In 1995, 3est. Individuals Assholes, as they</htmltext>
<tokenext>Usenet .
In 1995 , 3est .
Individuals Assholes , as they</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usenet.
In 1995, 3est.
Individuals Assholes, as they</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336284</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1267526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>He blew off or dismissed most of the important questions. As other commenters have said, he didn't acknowledge Ubuntu's terrible implementation of KDE, Gnome's short comings, nor the sound issue.</i></p><p>Oh, you KDE whiners.  Everything about Gnome sucks.  Everything about KDE rules.</p><p>Did it every occur to you that some people might actually hold the opposite opinion?  That they might be glad Ubuntu chose a single desktop to focus on, rather than dividing their efforts, and picks Gnome, which is sleek, clean, and works, rather than the horrible, ugly, cluttered mess that is KDE?</p><p>No, of course not!  KDE is the shit, amirite!  Clearly Canonical are just idiots!</p><p>Or, then again... maybe not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He blew off or dismissed most of the important questions .
As other commenters have said , he did n't acknowledge Ubuntu 's terrible implementation of KDE , Gnome 's short comings , nor the sound issue.Oh , you KDE whiners .
Everything about Gnome sucks .
Everything about KDE rules.Did it every occur to you that some people might actually hold the opposite opinion ?
That they might be glad Ubuntu chose a single desktop to focus on , rather than dividing their efforts , and picks Gnome , which is sleek , clean , and works , rather than the horrible , ugly , cluttered mess that is KDE ? No , of course not !
KDE is the shit , amirite !
Clearly Canonical are just idiots ! Or , then again... maybe not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He blew off or dismissed most of the important questions.
As other commenters have said, he didn't acknowledge Ubuntu's terrible implementation of KDE, Gnome's short comings, nor the sound issue.Oh, you KDE whiners.
Everything about Gnome sucks.
Everything about KDE rules.Did it every occur to you that some people might actually hold the opposite opinion?
That they might be glad Ubuntu chose a single desktop to focus on, rather than dividing their efforts, and picks Gnome, which is sleek, clean, and works, rather than the horrible, ugly, cluttered mess that is KDE?No, of course not!
KDE is the shit, amirite!
Clearly Canonical are just idiots!Or, then again... maybe not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338312</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>zaivala</author>
	<datestamp>1267535280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In have a different experience.  Intrepid and Jaunty had sound issues with me, but Karmic did not.  I don't use KDE because KDE sucks, and don't have a problem with GNOME.  I don't know WHY KDE sucks, just that it does, and until I have a problem with GNOME I'll keep using it.  Hardy worked out of the box one time and didn't others; Intrepid seemed to suck; Jaunty was better but still had problems; but Karmic has done everything I've asked of it, on several netbooks (Netbook Remix) Asheville Homeless Network owns and lets homeless peeople use and on my aging Gateway E-6100 (Full version).</htmltext>
<tokenext>In have a different experience .
Intrepid and Jaunty had sound issues with me , but Karmic did not .
I do n't use KDE because KDE sucks , and do n't have a problem with GNOME .
I do n't know WHY KDE sucks , just that it does , and until I have a problem with GNOME I 'll keep using it .
Hardy worked out of the box one time and did n't others ; Intrepid seemed to suck ; Jaunty was better but still had problems ; but Karmic has done everything I 've asked of it , on several netbooks ( Netbook Remix ) Asheville Homeless Network owns and lets homeless peeople use and on my aging Gateway E-6100 ( Full version ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In have a different experience.
Intrepid and Jaunty had sound issues with me, but Karmic did not.
I don't use KDE because KDE sucks, and don't have a problem with GNOME.
I don't know WHY KDE sucks, just that it does, and until I have a problem with GNOME I'll keep using it.
Hardy worked out of the box one time and didn't others; Intrepid seemed to suck; Jaunty was better but still had problems; but Karmic has done everything I've asked of it, on several netbooks (Netbook Remix) Asheville Homeless Network owns and lets homeless peeople use and on my aging Gateway E-6100 (Full version).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334416</id>
	<title>The freedom part sounded like:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267563180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> But RMS's ideals forced on someone else, even if it is<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; something like software freedom, is still a rule; not anarchy. This<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; contradiction was becoming clear to me in the fall of 2005. Even as<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; early as my first lan party, "Why did I love to code?" I framed it,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; but still, I dont understand it. It goes against my beliefs as a<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; true software anarchist. But there it was. Computation, processing<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; monolithic kernels, compiled binaries, THE SYSTEM. That's what we did. Its what<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; we always did. C coders kicked the shit out of C++, C++ kicked<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; the shit out of Python, Python kicked the shit out of Perl,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Perl took out the PHP guys, and thePHP guys<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; beat the living shit out of Ruby fags and the Ruby fags did<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; nothing. They were like the new HTMLers. What was the point? Final summation? None.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But RMS 's ideals forced on someone else , even if it is     something like software freedom , is still a rule ; not anarchy .
This     contradiction was becoming clear to me in the fall of 2005 .
Even as     early as my first lan party , " Why did I love to code ?
" I framed it ,     but still , I dont understand it .
It goes against my beliefs as a     true software anarchist .
But there it was .
Computation , processing     monolithic kernels , compiled binaries , THE SYSTEM .
That 's what we did .
Its what     we always did .
C coders kicked the shit out of C + + , C + + kicked     the shit out of Python , Python kicked the shit out of Perl ,     Perl took out the PHP guys , and thePHP guys     beat the living shit out of Ruby fags and the Ruby fags did     nothing .
They were like the new HTMLers .
What was the point ?
Final summation ?
None .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> But RMS's ideals forced on someone else, even if it is
    something like software freedom, is still a rule; not anarchy.
This
    contradiction was becoming clear to me in the fall of 2005.
Even as
    early as my first lan party, "Why did I love to code?
" I framed it,
    but still, I dont understand it.
It goes against my beliefs as a
    true software anarchist.
But there it was.
Computation, processing
    monolithic kernels, compiled binaries, THE SYSTEM.
That's what we did.
Its what
    we always did.
C coders kicked the shit out of C++, C++ kicked
    the shit out of Python, Python kicked the shit out of Perl,
    Perl took out the PHP guys, and thePHP guys
    beat the living shit out of Ruby fags and the Ruby fags did
    nothing.
They were like the new HTMLers.
What was the point?
Final summation?
None.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335794</id>
	<title>Forget gaming, I guess...</title>
	<author>Beelzebud</author>
	<datestamp>1267524960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>His complete dismissal of Linux as a gaming platform really disappoints me.   I'm one of those people that still use Windows simply because of gaming.  If Linux had support for the games I want to play, I would have been a full time Linux user years ago.
<br>
<br>
I'm not unreasonable either.  I have a decent understanding of the challenges involved in making that happen on Linux, but to hear this guy just totally dismiss the thought isn't what I was hoping for.  It will take time and effort to make Linux a gaming platform, and it will never happen when people like this just flat out give up on it.   He tries to say that gaming is all moving over to consoles, but that is an utter falsehood, as there are still millions of us that use a PC as a primary gaming platform.
<br>
<br>
All in all the most amazing thing about this Q&amp;A is how he readily admits that he really has only used Ubuntu for his primary OS for a few weeks now.  The thought that someone as ignorant as me, about the internals on Linux, has used Ubuntu more than its new COO is just stunning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>His complete dismissal of Linux as a gaming platform really disappoints me .
I 'm one of those people that still use Windows simply because of gaming .
If Linux had support for the games I want to play , I would have been a full time Linux user years ago .
I 'm not unreasonable either .
I have a decent understanding of the challenges involved in making that happen on Linux , but to hear this guy just totally dismiss the thought is n't what I was hoping for .
It will take time and effort to make Linux a gaming platform , and it will never happen when people like this just flat out give up on it .
He tries to say that gaming is all moving over to consoles , but that is an utter falsehood , as there are still millions of us that use a PC as a primary gaming platform .
All in all the most amazing thing about this Q&amp;A is how he readily admits that he really has only used Ubuntu for his primary OS for a few weeks now .
The thought that someone as ignorant as me , about the internals on Linux , has used Ubuntu more than its new COO is just stunning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His complete dismissal of Linux as a gaming platform really disappoints me.
I'm one of those people that still use Windows simply because of gaming.
If Linux had support for the games I want to play, I would have been a full time Linux user years ago.
I'm not unreasonable either.
I have a decent understanding of the challenges involved in making that happen on Linux, but to hear this guy just totally dismiss the thought isn't what I was hoping for.
It will take time and effort to make Linux a gaming platform, and it will never happen when people like this just flat out give up on it.
He tries to say that gaming is all moving over to consoles, but that is an utter falsehood, as there are still millions of us that use a PC as a primary gaming platform.
All in all the most amazing thing about this Q&amp;A is how he readily admits that he really has only used Ubuntu for his primary OS for a few weeks now.
The thought that someone as ignorant as me, about the internals on Linux, has used Ubuntu more than its new COO is just stunning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31339294</id>
	<title>Very disappointed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267540860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Matt. you *HAD* the PERFECT opportunity to answer the questions posed to you from hard core Linux users, and blew it...</p><p>I've been waiting for these response since the questions posting.....I am VERY DISAPPOINTED, VERY DISAPPOINTED.</p><p>1) KDE - "...to ensure your views are heard and the Ubuntu distribution remains one that you will enjoy using. "</p><p>You heard what WE, and I had to say on gnome...WE WANT KDE! KDE KDE ! KDE!</p><p>You chose to dismiss and ignore it.</p><p>I will continue to use a derivative distro, KMint, as Canoncial has made it clear they do not and will create a quality distro, a quality KDE distro, even with its move to KDE 4.x (ick).</p><p>Your own Kubnutu distro I have not been able to reliably boot in over 2 years. TWO YEARS! Theres no quality to this heap of trash!  DITCH IT! You want to know what a quality KDE distro is head over to <a href="http://www.linuxmint.com/" title="linuxmint.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.linuxmint.com/</a> [linuxmint.com] and look at KMint. The KDE team there works wonders with what they get from Kubuntu. You should take note.</p><p>I have. My opinion, as its voice towards KDE, will be ignored.</p><p>2) Sound - "Works for me."</p><p>Again, dismissive, and not the path to take, especially for the new guy. FIX THE SOUND! DUMP pulse! I've found that your own community has done what, you Cannoncial has not, UPDATED the ALSA drivers to CURRENT version to solve the problems with the prevalent "HDA" chipsets. GET THIS DONE.</p><p>3) mono - Was not asked, so not answered...</p><p>You need to set this disease free.. Thankfully the KMint team REMOVES THIS disease and so should you. Its a shame that editors didn't wish to put the hardballs out there.</p><p>In summary, very disappointed, and I will not be looking to Canoncial for what I need in Linux, instead I will look to the KMint team to continue to produce what I want.</p><p>Disappointing, disappointing. Your chance to get off on the right foot, is gone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Matt .
you * HAD * the PERFECT opportunity to answer the questions posed to you from hard core Linux users , and blew it...I 've been waiting for these response since the questions posting.....I am VERY DISAPPOINTED , VERY DISAPPOINTED.1 ) KDE - " ...to ensure your views are heard and the Ubuntu distribution remains one that you will enjoy using .
" You heard what WE , and I had to say on gnome...WE WANT KDE !
KDE KDE !
KDE ! You chose to dismiss and ignore it.I will continue to use a derivative distro , KMint , as Canoncial has made it clear they do not and will create a quality distro , a quality KDE distro , even with its move to KDE 4.x ( ick ) .Your own Kubnutu distro I have not been able to reliably boot in over 2 years .
TWO YEARS !
Theres no quality to this heap of trash !
DITCH IT !
You want to know what a quality KDE distro is head over to http : //www.linuxmint.com/ [ linuxmint.com ] and look at KMint .
The KDE team there works wonders with what they get from Kubuntu .
You should take note.I have .
My opinion , as its voice towards KDE , will be ignored.2 ) Sound - " Works for me .
" Again , dismissive , and not the path to take , especially for the new guy .
FIX THE SOUND !
DUMP pulse !
I 've found that your own community has done what , you Cannoncial has not , UPDATED the ALSA drivers to CURRENT version to solve the problems with the prevalent " HDA " chipsets .
GET THIS DONE.3 ) mono - Was not asked , so not answered...You need to set this disease free.. Thankfully the KMint team REMOVES THIS disease and so should you .
Its a shame that editors did n't wish to put the hardballs out there.In summary , very disappointed , and I will not be looking to Canoncial for what I need in Linux , instead I will look to the KMint team to continue to produce what I want.Disappointing , disappointing .
Your chance to get off on the right foot , is gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Matt.
you *HAD* the PERFECT opportunity to answer the questions posed to you from hard core Linux users, and blew it...I've been waiting for these response since the questions posting.....I am VERY DISAPPOINTED, VERY DISAPPOINTED.1) KDE - "...to ensure your views are heard and the Ubuntu distribution remains one that you will enjoy using.
"You heard what WE, and I had to say on gnome...WE WANT KDE!
KDE KDE !
KDE!You chose to dismiss and ignore it.I will continue to use a derivative distro, KMint, as Canoncial has made it clear they do not and will create a quality distro, a quality KDE distro, even with its move to KDE 4.x (ick).Your own Kubnutu distro I have not been able to reliably boot in over 2 years.
TWO YEARS!
Theres no quality to this heap of trash!
DITCH IT!
You want to know what a quality KDE distro is head over to http://www.linuxmint.com/ [linuxmint.com] and look at KMint.
The KDE team there works wonders with what they get from Kubuntu.
You should take note.I have.
My opinion, as its voice towards KDE, will be ignored.2) Sound - "Works for me.
"Again, dismissive, and not the path to take, especially for the new guy.
FIX THE SOUND!
DUMP pulse!
I've found that your own community has done what, you Cannoncial has not, UPDATED the ALSA drivers to CURRENT version to solve the problems with the prevalent "HDA" chipsets.
GET THIS DONE.3) mono - Was not asked, so not answered...You need to set this disease free.. Thankfully the KMint team REMOVES THIS disease and so should you.
Its a shame that editors didn't wish to put the hardballs out there.In summary, very disappointed, and I will not be looking to Canoncial for what I need in Linux, instead I will look to the KMint team to continue to produce what I want.Disappointing, disappointing.
Your chance to get off on the right foot, is gone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334660</id>
	<title>Re:This was good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267521060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agree, not bad but there was a propitious amount of weasely marketing speak in there.</p><p><i>We are not complacent about bugs or quality. Far from it. In fact, I've been surprised by the level of attention it gets within the company.</i><br>WTF?  Better not be surprised, this is supposed to be what separates you guys from the borg.  Seriously.<br>Btw, who doesn't remember the nasty scheduler problem when Hardy was released?  Or the Pulseaudio problems?  They were legendary and there's a ton of open launchpad issues still open.</p><p>The KDE/Gnome issue is big, especially with QT going LGPL from pure commercial.  The response was as non-commital as it gets.  But perhaps that's because they don't know where they're going either.</p><p>But hey I'm not complaining really.  I use Ubuntu everyday, it's free and works well.  They've done a great job and I for one couldn't imagine going back to the hell that is Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree , not bad but there was a propitious amount of weasely marketing speak in there.We are not complacent about bugs or quality .
Far from it .
In fact , I 've been surprised by the level of attention it gets within the company.WTF ?
Better not be surprised , this is supposed to be what separates you guys from the borg .
Seriously.Btw , who does n't remember the nasty scheduler problem when Hardy was released ?
Or the Pulseaudio problems ?
They were legendary and there 's a ton of open launchpad issues still open.The KDE/Gnome issue is big , especially with QT going LGPL from pure commercial .
The response was as non-commital as it gets .
But perhaps that 's because they do n't know where they 're going either.But hey I 'm not complaining really .
I use Ubuntu everyday , it 's free and works well .
They 've done a great job and I for one could n't imagine going back to the hell that is Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree, not bad but there was a propitious amount of weasely marketing speak in there.We are not complacent about bugs or quality.
Far from it.
In fact, I've been surprised by the level of attention it gets within the company.WTF?
Better not be surprised, this is supposed to be what separates you guys from the borg.
Seriously.Btw, who doesn't remember the nasty scheduler problem when Hardy was released?
Or the Pulseaudio problems?
They were legendary and there's a ton of open launchpad issues still open.The KDE/Gnome issue is big, especially with QT going LGPL from pure commercial.
The response was as non-commital as it gets.
But perhaps that's because they don't know where they're going either.But hey I'm not complaining really.
I use Ubuntu everyday, it's free and works well.
They've done a great job and I for one couldn't imagine going back to the hell that is Windows.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31431764</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1268219160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As one of the questioners quoted, I'm a little disappointed by the answer to my question.  But then, of course, there are three problems that weren't really his fault:
</p><ol>
<li>They edited my question down.  It's understandable, since my question was long, but I think they lost some of the sense of what I was trying to ask.</li>
<li>He's acting in a PR capacity, and so is kind of stuck trying to give positive-sounding answers</li>
<li>I probably just wouldn't like the real answer to the question anyway.</li>
</ol><p>But still, I'm not too happy that most of his answer seemed to imply, "If you think you can't use Ubuntu to do your work, you're probably just ignorant.  If you're happy to stick with Windows, then good for you.  Do that."
</p><p>The fact is that I *do* use Ubuntu (just not on my main work desktop) and I pretty well know what I can and can't do.  I'd also love to switch my whole company over to using Linux, but I *can't*.  I am not happy paying the Microsoft Tax.  I have no viable alternative.
</p><p>The real thrust of my quoted question was, "I believe that Ubuntu has done a lot of good work making a good general desktop experience, but lots of people are still *stuck* on Windows or OSX because of applications, and not because of OS features.  Do you think Canonical should have a role in trying to improve the situation, and if so, what do you think Canonical can do?"
</p><p>I gather from his post that the answer is, "No, Canonical isn't going to do anything about it."  Well... ok, fine.  I would have thought he'd at least have some BS about "maybe as WINE improves..." or "we'd like to do everything we can to attract developers," or something.
</p><p>Instead it seems like he's saying, "No, you're wrong.  You're just ignorant.  Current applications are good enough."  Easy for him to say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As one of the questioners quoted , I 'm a little disappointed by the answer to my question .
But then , of course , there are three problems that were n't really his fault : They edited my question down .
It 's understandable , since my question was long , but I think they lost some of the sense of what I was trying to ask .
He 's acting in a PR capacity , and so is kind of stuck trying to give positive-sounding answers I probably just would n't like the real answer to the question anyway .
But still , I 'm not too happy that most of his answer seemed to imply , " If you think you ca n't use Ubuntu to do your work , you 're probably just ignorant .
If you 're happy to stick with Windows , then good for you .
Do that .
" The fact is that I * do * use Ubuntu ( just not on my main work desktop ) and I pretty well know what I can and ca n't do .
I 'd also love to switch my whole company over to using Linux , but I * ca n't * .
I am not happy paying the Microsoft Tax .
I have no viable alternative .
The real thrust of my quoted question was , " I believe that Ubuntu has done a lot of good work making a good general desktop experience , but lots of people are still * stuck * on Windows or OSX because of applications , and not because of OS features .
Do you think Canonical should have a role in trying to improve the situation , and if so , what do you think Canonical can do ?
" I gather from his post that the answer is , " No , Canonical is n't going to do anything about it .
" Well... ok , fine .
I would have thought he 'd at least have some BS about " maybe as WINE improves... " or " we 'd like to do everything we can to attract developers , " or something .
Instead it seems like he 's saying , " No , you 're wrong .
You 're just ignorant .
Current applications are good enough .
" Easy for him to say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As one of the questioners quoted, I'm a little disappointed by the answer to my question.
But then, of course, there are three problems that weren't really his fault:

They edited my question down.
It's understandable, since my question was long, but I think they lost some of the sense of what I was trying to ask.
He's acting in a PR capacity, and so is kind of stuck trying to give positive-sounding answers
I probably just wouldn't like the real answer to the question anyway.
But still, I'm not too happy that most of his answer seemed to imply, "If you think you can't use Ubuntu to do your work, you're probably just ignorant.
If you're happy to stick with Windows, then good for you.
Do that.
"
The fact is that I *do* use Ubuntu (just not on my main work desktop) and I pretty well know what I can and can't do.
I'd also love to switch my whole company over to using Linux, but I *can't*.
I am not happy paying the Microsoft Tax.
I have no viable alternative.
The real thrust of my quoted question was, "I believe that Ubuntu has done a lot of good work making a good general desktop experience, but lots of people are still *stuck* on Windows or OSX because of applications, and not because of OS features.
Do you think Canonical should have a role in trying to improve the situation, and if so, what do you think Canonical can do?
"
I gather from his post that the answer is, "No, Canonical isn't going to do anything about it.
"  Well... ok, fine.
I would have thought he'd at least have some BS about "maybe as WINE improves..." or "we'd like to do everything we can to attract developers," or something.
Instead it seems like he's saying, "No, you're wrong.
You're just ignorant.
Current applications are good enough.
"  Easy for him to say.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334514</id>
	<title>Ubuntu needs two things added.</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1267520400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Binary drivers are a fact of life if you want a 3d video card with any real performance.  Even a 6 year old Nvidia card outperforms the latest and greatest from intel.  I understand the reasoning behind not including the drivers, but not including a icon on the desktop that is a "click here to download, install and enable the nvidia non free closed source evil drivers."  is a must have.  Either that or include a linux guru with every download so grandma sprinkles can install it herself.</p><p>Also the mediabuntu repository while easy for us that are familiar with ubuntu to reinstall at every release are near impossible for a newbie to install.. Again a icon that states," click here  for media drivers if you are in a country that is not opressive and looks at such an act as illegal"</p><p>If ubuntu was able to come with nvidia, ati, and mediabuntu installed it would be very much grandma ready out of the box.  They really need to find ways around those issues to get more newbie users and non techie users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Binary drivers are a fact of life if you want a 3d video card with any real performance .
Even a 6 year old Nvidia card outperforms the latest and greatest from intel .
I understand the reasoning behind not including the drivers , but not including a icon on the desktop that is a " click here to download , install and enable the nvidia non free closed source evil drivers .
" is a must have .
Either that or include a linux guru with every download so grandma sprinkles can install it herself.Also the mediabuntu repository while easy for us that are familiar with ubuntu to reinstall at every release are near impossible for a newbie to install.. Again a icon that states , " click here for media drivers if you are in a country that is not opressive and looks at such an act as illegal " If ubuntu was able to come with nvidia , ati , and mediabuntu installed it would be very much grandma ready out of the box .
They really need to find ways around those issues to get more newbie users and non techie users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Binary drivers are a fact of life if you want a 3d video card with any real performance.
Even a 6 year old Nvidia card outperforms the latest and greatest from intel.
I understand the reasoning behind not including the drivers, but not including a icon on the desktop that is a "click here to download, install and enable the nvidia non free closed source evil drivers.
"  is a must have.
Either that or include a linux guru with every download so grandma sprinkles can install it herself.Also the mediabuntu repository while easy for us that are familiar with ubuntu to reinstall at every release are near impossible for a newbie to install.. Again a icon that states," click here  for media drivers if you are in a country that is not opressive and looks at such an act as illegal"If ubuntu was able to come with nvidia, ati, and mediabuntu installed it would be very much grandma ready out of the box.
They really need to find ways around those issues to get more newbie users and non techie users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31339808</id>
	<title>what a load of shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267545180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.</p><p>no way!  not ever!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.no way !
not ever !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.no way!
not ever!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335582</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>INT\_QRK</author>
	<datestamp>1267524240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since it is a simple matter to download KDE and configure Ubuntu for the choice to select KDE or Gnome at the start screen, that is exactly what I always do. That said, I always end up defaulting to back to the Gnome desktop. I'm not sure what the major gripe against Gnome is, but having gotten used to it for a number of years, I find it fast and stable, and it's grown on me. I'm glad to have a choice. So, what is the problem, exactly? BTW I remember having problems back in 2005 (-ish?) with sound and other driver related issues, but I've found no problems for the longest time. When I last messed with Kubuntu, even, everything worked fine. Not taking exception BetterSense's post, just needed a convenient place to attach this observation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since it is a simple matter to download KDE and configure Ubuntu for the choice to select KDE or Gnome at the start screen , that is exactly what I always do .
That said , I always end up defaulting to back to the Gnome desktop .
I 'm not sure what the major gripe against Gnome is , but having gotten used to it for a number of years , I find it fast and stable , and it 's grown on me .
I 'm glad to have a choice .
So , what is the problem , exactly ?
BTW I remember having problems back in 2005 ( -ish ?
) with sound and other driver related issues , but I 've found no problems for the longest time .
When I last messed with Kubuntu , even , everything worked fine .
Not taking exception BetterSense 's post , just needed a convenient place to attach this observation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since it is a simple matter to download KDE and configure Ubuntu for the choice to select KDE or Gnome at the start screen, that is exactly what I always do.
That said, I always end up defaulting to back to the Gnome desktop.
I'm not sure what the major gripe against Gnome is, but having gotten used to it for a number of years, I find it fast and stable, and it's grown on me.
I'm glad to have a choice.
So, what is the problem, exactly?
BTW I remember having problems back in 2005 (-ish?
) with sound and other driver related issues, but I've found no problems for the longest time.
When I last messed with Kubuntu, even, everything worked fine.
Not taking exception BetterSense's post, just needed a convenient place to attach this observation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334668</id>
	<title>Re:The freedom part sounded like:</title>
	<author>Anamelech</author>
	<datestamp>1267521120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An SLC Punk reference. Bravo, good sir.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An SLC Punk reference .
Bravo , good sir .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An SLC Punk reference.
Bravo, good sir.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335876</id>
	<title>Don't worry.  Be happy.</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1267525320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to be buggy in the opinion of a lot of people, but according to cannonical it isn't, so quit yer bitchin.</p><p>I reverted to 9.04 because of vid issues, but even in 9.04 I can't get the microphone input on my audigy 2 to work.  Seriously thinking of setting up a Windows machine for audio stuff, as regressive as that would feel.  I've been using Linux for about 10 years now, and the novelty of screwing around to get stuff working wore off quite some time ago.</p><p>For day to day stuff though, I would never go back to using Windows routinely.  Never, never, never.  When I do have to use a Windows machine for any extended period, it makes me feel so sad that I have to uncheck boxes to show me stuff it thinks it should hide, like file extensions.  It's such a horrible OS in so many ways, but it has hardware support like Linux will never have, especially when a major distro like Ubuntu says "You think there are problems?  There are no problems.  Don't worry.  Be happy."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to be buggy in the opinion of a lot of people , but according to cannonical it is n't , so quit yer bitchin.I reverted to 9.04 because of vid issues , but even in 9.04 I ca n't get the microphone input on my audigy 2 to work .
Seriously thinking of setting up a Windows machine for audio stuff , as regressive as that would feel .
I 've been using Linux for about 10 years now , and the novelty of screwing around to get stuff working wore off quite some time ago.For day to day stuff though , I would never go back to using Windows routinely .
Never , never , never .
When I do have to use a Windows machine for any extended period , it makes me feel so sad that I have to uncheck boxes to show me stuff it thinks it should hide , like file extensions .
It 's such a horrible OS in so many ways , but it has hardware support like Linux will never have , especially when a major distro like Ubuntu says " You think there are problems ?
There are no problems .
Do n't worry .
Be happy .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to be buggy in the opinion of a lot of people, but according to cannonical it isn't, so quit yer bitchin.I reverted to 9.04 because of vid issues, but even in 9.04 I can't get the microphone input on my audigy 2 to work.
Seriously thinking of setting up a Windows machine for audio stuff, as regressive as that would feel.
I've been using Linux for about 10 years now, and the novelty of screwing around to get stuff working wore off quite some time ago.For day to day stuff though, I would never go back to using Windows routinely.
Never, never, never.
When I do have to use a Windows machine for any extended period, it makes me feel so sad that I have to uncheck boxes to show me stuff it thinks it should hide, like file extensions.
It's such a horrible OS in so many ways, but it has hardware support like Linux will never have, especially when a major distro like Ubuntu says "You think there are problems?
There are no problems.
Don't worry.
Be happy.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335550</id>
	<title>Re:A question from an ignoramus</title>
	<author>fader</author>
	<datestamp>1267524120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>What happens if I change my hardware configuration after I've already installed Ubuntu?</i>
<br> <br>

The same <a href="https://launchpad.net/jockey" title="launchpad.net">utility</a> [launchpad.net] detects the change and if a proprietary driver is available offers do download it for you.  Incidentally, it does the same thing if a new driver is detected (e.g. nVidia updates their driver).</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens if I change my hardware configuration after I 've already installed Ubuntu ?
The same utility [ launchpad.net ] detects the change and if a proprietary driver is available offers do download it for you .
Incidentally , it does the same thing if a new driver is detected ( e.g .
nVidia updates their driver ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens if I change my hardware configuration after I've already installed Ubuntu?
The same utility [launchpad.net] detects the change and if a proprietary driver is available offers do download it for you.
Incidentally, it does the same thing if a new driver is detected (e.g.
nVidia updates their driver).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337784</id>
	<title>I love great software, whatever its license</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267532940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...that requires us to support the applications that the mass market requires."<br>"I love great software, whatever its license"</p><p>Says it all really. No principles. If the mass market say that they want a cheaper Windows, then that is what Ubuntu will become, and stuff the GPL and open source, though with a smile, and blaming the user for the choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...that requires us to support the applications that the mass market requires .
" " I love great software , whatever its license " Says it all really .
No principles .
If the mass market say that they want a cheaper Windows , then that is what Ubuntu will become , and stuff the GPL and open source , though with a smile , and blaming the user for the choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...that requires us to support the applications that the mass market requires.
""I love great software, whatever its license"Says it all really.
No principles.
If the mass market say that they want a cheaper Windows, then that is what Ubuntu will become, and stuff the GPL and open source, though with a smile, and blaming the user for the choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335852</id>
	<title>WontFix/WorksForMe</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1267525260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, or this answer:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>As for Ubuntu 9.10, I've heard people call it a buggy release but that has not been my personal experience, and it's an accusation that the data do not support<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>In my personal experience, however, everything "just works." I've yet to have a single problem. Coming from a former Mac user (motto: two buttons are too hard - just give me one button on my mouse!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-), that's high praise.</p></div><p>really sounds like the infamous WONTFIX/WORKSFORME bug ticket closure?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or this answer : As for Ubuntu 9.10 , I 've heard people call it a buggy release but that has not been my personal experience , and it 's an accusation that the data do not support ...In my personal experience , however , everything " just works .
" I 've yet to have a single problem .
Coming from a former Mac user ( motto : two buttons are too hard - just give me one button on my mouse !
: - ) , that 's high praise.really sounds like the infamous WONTFIX/WORKSFORME bug ticket closure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or this answer:As for Ubuntu 9.10, I've heard people call it a buggy release but that has not been my personal experience, and it's an accusation that the data do not support ...In my personal experience, however, everything "just works.
" I've yet to have a single problem.
Coming from a former Mac user (motto: two buttons are too hard - just give me one button on my mouse!
:-), that's high praise.really sounds like the infamous WONTFIX/WORKSFORME bug ticket closure?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334620</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu needs two things added.</title>
	<author>bflong</author>
	<datestamp>1267520880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think you've used Ubuntu in a long time. The hardware manager pops up on first boot and gives you the option to install proprietary drivers for devices it's found on your system (like Nvidia/AMD cards). Also, the first time you try to use a media player you get the option to install proprietary codecs. This has worked for at least the last couple of years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you 've used Ubuntu in a long time .
The hardware manager pops up on first boot and gives you the option to install proprietary drivers for devices it 's found on your system ( like Nvidia/AMD cards ) .
Also , the first time you try to use a media player you get the option to install proprietary codecs .
This has worked for at least the last couple of years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you've used Ubuntu in a long time.
The hardware manager pops up on first boot and gives you the option to install proprietary drivers for devices it's found on your system (like Nvidia/AMD cards).
Also, the first time you try to use a media player you get the option to install proprietary codecs.
This has worked for at least the last couple of years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335002</id>
	<title>Bad answers.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267522320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>He blew off or dismissed most of the important questions. As other commenters have said, he didn't acknowledge Ubuntu's terrible implementation of KDE, Gnome's short comings, nor the sound issue.<br> <br>

But the worse thing is how he completely dismissed Creative Suites and games. Whenever I ask any of my friends why they aren't on linux, they reply with one of these two. Whenever I see linux vs. windows being debated in a OS agnostic forum its these two issues I see come up the most. I can't believe Canonical is completely ignoring it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He blew off or dismissed most of the important questions .
As other commenters have said , he did n't acknowledge Ubuntu 's terrible implementation of KDE , Gnome 's short comings , nor the sound issue .
But the worse thing is how he completely dismissed Creative Suites and games .
Whenever I ask any of my friends why they are n't on linux , they reply with one of these two .
Whenever I see linux vs. windows being debated in a OS agnostic forum its these two issues I see come up the most .
I ca n't believe Canonical is completely ignoring it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He blew off or dismissed most of the important questions.
As other commenters have said, he didn't acknowledge Ubuntu's terrible implementation of KDE, Gnome's short comings, nor the sound issue.
But the worse thing is how he completely dismissed Creative Suites and games.
Whenever I ask any of my friends why they aren't on linux, they reply with one of these two.
Whenever I see linux vs. windows being debated in a OS agnostic forum its these two issues I see come up the most.
I can't believe Canonical is completely ignoring it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336148</id>
	<title>If you were expecting a Geek discussion...</title>
	<author>hilldog</author>
	<datestamp>1267526340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was not it. These were answers aimed at stockholders and loan officers. Nice , temperate, safe and no boat rocking. Linux has become big business and welcome to the real world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was not it .
These were answers aimed at stockholders and loan officers .
Nice , temperate , safe and no boat rocking .
Linux has become big business and welcome to the real world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was not it.
These were answers aimed at stockholders and loan officers.
Nice , temperate, safe and no boat rocking.
Linux has become big business and welcome to the real world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334910</id>
	<title>MS, Ubuntu, all the same marketing flak</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1267522020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Note the answers to quality question.  Instead of answering (yeah, nah, whatever), this guy spews the same gross bullshit you hear from nameless corporations everywhere.
</p><p>
Did they chose the right guy here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note the answers to quality question .
Instead of answering ( yeah , nah , whatever ) , this guy spews the same gross bullshit you hear from nameless corporations everywhere .
Did they chose the right guy here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Note the answers to quality question.
Instead of answering (yeah, nah, whatever), this guy spews the same gross bullshit you hear from nameless corporations everywhere.
Did they chose the right guy here?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338670</id>
	<title>Parent post more informative than Asay's answer</title>
	<author>KWTm</author>
	<datestamp>1267536840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord? That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'</p></div></blockquote><p>Wow.  Your mention of <a href="http://www.kubuntu.org/news/timelord" title="kubuntu.org">Operation Timelord</a> [kubuntu.org] tells me that people at Kubuntu are responding and gives me hope.  It's more informative than the response given by Asay, who should either have at least mentioned Operation Timelord or should get up to speed on the distro that he's representing.</p><p>And for those who respond that Kubuntu is not officially supported by Canonical: I think it *is* supported, but if it's not, that's even more reason to disparage Ubuntu.  Geez, I hope not.  But it gives me hope that maybe, just maybe, the upcoming first Long Term Support release for Kubuntu in almost four years will actually be worth the pain we went through with KDE4.  Long live Kubuntu, and hope Canonical gives you the support you need to renew yourselves.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Have you any idea what 's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord ?
That 's as close as you can get to saying 'We 're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us , so we 're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'Wow .
Your mention of Operation Timelord [ kubuntu.org ] tells me that people at Kubuntu are responding and gives me hope .
It 's more informative than the response given by Asay , who should either have at least mentioned Operation Timelord or should get up to speed on the distro that he 's representing.And for those who respond that Kubuntu is not officially supported by Canonical : I think it * is * supported , but if it 's not , that 's even more reason to disparage Ubuntu .
Geez , I hope not .
But it gives me hope that maybe , just maybe , the upcoming first Long Term Support release for Kubuntu in almost four years will actually be worth the pain we went through with KDE4 .
Long live Kubuntu , and hope Canonical gives you the support you need to renew yourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you any idea what's going on in Kubuntu with Operation Timelord?
That's as close as you can get to saying 'We're tired of Ubuntu is fucking us, so we're blowing this popstand and doing it right.'Wow.
Your mention of Operation Timelord [kubuntu.org] tells me that people at Kubuntu are responding and gives me hope.
It's more informative than the response given by Asay, who should either have at least mentioned Operation Timelord or should get up to speed on the distro that he's representing.And for those who respond that Kubuntu is not officially supported by Canonical: I think it *is* supported, but if it's not, that's even more reason to disparage Ubuntu.
Geez, I hope not.
But it gives me hope that maybe, just maybe, the upcoming first Long Term Support release for Kubuntu in almost four years will actually be worth the pain we went through with KDE4.
Long live Kubuntu, and hope Canonical gives you the support you need to renew yourselves.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335450</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267523760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why.. Jack is basically the only sane linux audio api out there! Sure, it deals with strange settings and parameters, but it is intended for people who are into real time audio, so knowing a little bit about digital audio is natural to the intended audience.</p><p>But regarding the general audio situation, things *will improve*.<br>OSS is pretty much gone already, so that need not confuse anyone.<br>Pulse audio will eventually replace ALSA as the primary audio API..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..and ALSA will remain in it's role as a driver layer (which was always it's strength).</p><p>So, apps should talk to Jack or Pulse, who in turn will talk to ALSA which talks to the hardware.</p><p>Go have a look at the slides from the recent Linux Plumbers conference for more info.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why.. Jack is basically the only sane linux audio api out there !
Sure , it deals with strange settings and parameters , but it is intended for people who are into real time audio , so knowing a little bit about digital audio is natural to the intended audience.But regarding the general audio situation , things * will improve * .OSS is pretty much gone already , so that need not confuse anyone.Pulse audio will eventually replace ALSA as the primary audio API.. ..and ALSA will remain in it 's role as a driver layer ( which was always it 's strength ) .So , apps should talk to Jack or Pulse , who in turn will talk to ALSA which talks to the hardware.Go have a look at the slides from the recent Linux Plumbers conference for more info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why.. Jack is basically the only sane linux audio api out there!
Sure, it deals with strange settings and parameters, but it is intended for people who are into real time audio, so knowing a little bit about digital audio is natural to the intended audience.But regarding the general audio situation, things *will improve*.OSS is pretty much gone already, so that need not confuse anyone.Pulse audio will eventually replace ALSA as the primary audio API.. ..and ALSA will remain in it's role as a driver layer (which was always it's strength).So, apps should talk to Jack or Pulse, who in turn will talk to ALSA which talks to the hardware.Go have a look at the slides from the recent Linux Plumbers conference for more info.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31350934</id>
	<title>I was hoping for answers with a bit more</title>
	<author>TxRv</author>
	<datestamp>1267613220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>substance, and less dodging of questions.</p><p>Iuse Ubuntu, and I've been disappointed by the quality of recent releases. The focus on "usability" is most concerning since functionality and user control are being removed to achieve it. They're trying to make it user friendly, but Canonical is forgetting who its users are.</p><p>The Yahoo! deal disgusts me as well, and things like it are why Idon't use the Firefox build bundled with Ubuntu (Ubuntuzilla is a wonderful thing). Matt claims that you can easily switch the default search engine back to Google, but he left out that you have to do this every time Ubuntu releases updates for its Firefox build.</p><p>Every new Ubuntu release brings me closer and closer to switching distros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>substance , and less dodging of questions.Iuse Ubuntu , and I 've been disappointed by the quality of recent releases .
The focus on " usability " is most concerning since functionality and user control are being removed to achieve it .
They 're trying to make it user friendly , but Canonical is forgetting who its users are.The Yahoo !
deal disgusts me as well , and things like it are why Ido n't use the Firefox build bundled with Ubuntu ( Ubuntuzilla is a wonderful thing ) .
Matt claims that you can easily switch the default search engine back to Google , but he left out that you have to do this every time Ubuntu releases updates for its Firefox build.Every new Ubuntu release brings me closer and closer to switching distros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>substance, and less dodging of questions.Iuse Ubuntu, and I've been disappointed by the quality of recent releases.
The focus on "usability" is most concerning since functionality and user control are being removed to achieve it.
They're trying to make it user friendly, but Canonical is forgetting who its users are.The Yahoo!
deal disgusts me as well, and things like it are why Idon't use the Firefox build bundled with Ubuntu (Ubuntuzilla is a wonderful thing).
Matt claims that you can easily switch the default search engine back to Google, but he left out that you have to do this every time Ubuntu releases updates for its Firefox build.Every new Ubuntu release brings me closer and closer to switching distros.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335768</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>cuby</author>
	<datestamp>1267524900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right.<br>
Pulseaudio has serious problems... I have trivial hardware and not even one, of the several apps I have, can record anything by default. S/PDIF out doesn't work. I have several users under one computer, sound only works in the first that logs in. Sound is a mess since the beginning and everyone knows that.
<br>I think the acknowledge of problems would be a good thing, but he is an executive, what can we expect?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
Pulseaudio has serious problems... I have trivial hardware and not even one , of the several apps I have , can record anything by default .
S/PDIF out does n't work .
I have several users under one computer , sound only works in the first that logs in .
Sound is a mess since the beginning and everyone knows that .
I think the acknowledge of problems would be a good thing , but he is an executive , what can we expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
Pulseaudio has serious problems... I have trivial hardware and not even one, of the several apps I have, can record anything by default.
S/PDIF out doesn't work.
I have several users under one computer, sound only works in the first that logs in.
Sound is a mess since the beginning and everyone knows that.
I think the acknowledge of problems would be a good thing, but he is an executive, what can we expect?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335618</id>
	<title>Re:A question from an ignoramus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267524360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure how long ago you tried this, but I have not had any major issues with exchanging hardware components since ~2003-2005.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure how long ago you tried this , but I have not had any major issues with exchanging hardware components since ~ 2003-2005 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure how long ago you tried this, but I have not had any major issues with exchanging hardware components since ~2003-2005.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335180</id>
	<title>Quality Issues</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1267522860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He may not be aware of quality issues, but they certainly exist.</p><p>He is right that it is a byproduct of size. Ubuntu has massive repositories, and plenty of users to discover bugs. However, I doubt Ubuntu has the engineering experience or staff of Red Hat or Novell.</p><p>I know that choice is a good thing, but distro fragmentation has gone too far. I think the Linux community needs a few leaders to organize the fractured community and consolidate/coordinate efforts to improving quality overall.</p><p>Instead of X number of package maintainers working on Arch, and X working on Sabayon, and X working on Mandriva, and X working on Mint, and X working on Slackware, and X working on PCLinuxOS, etc. I really think the major distros need to bring the community to them.</p><p>Instead of 10 Fedora forks, why not try to integrate those community efforts into improving Fedora? And the same for Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He may not be aware of quality issues , but they certainly exist.He is right that it is a byproduct of size .
Ubuntu has massive repositories , and plenty of users to discover bugs .
However , I doubt Ubuntu has the engineering experience or staff of Red Hat or Novell.I know that choice is a good thing , but distro fragmentation has gone too far .
I think the Linux community needs a few leaders to organize the fractured community and consolidate/coordinate efforts to improving quality overall.Instead of X number of package maintainers working on Arch , and X working on Sabayon , and X working on Mandriva , and X working on Mint , and X working on Slackware , and X working on PCLinuxOS , etc .
I really think the major distros need to bring the community to them.Instead of 10 Fedora forks , why not try to integrate those community efforts into improving Fedora ?
And the same for Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He may not be aware of quality issues, but they certainly exist.He is right that it is a byproduct of size.
Ubuntu has massive repositories, and plenty of users to discover bugs.
However, I doubt Ubuntu has the engineering experience or staff of Red Hat or Novell.I know that choice is a good thing, but distro fragmentation has gone too far.
I think the Linux community needs a few leaders to organize the fractured community and consolidate/coordinate efforts to improving quality overall.Instead of X number of package maintainers working on Arch, and X working on Sabayon, and X working on Mandriva, and X working on Mint, and X working on Slackware, and X working on PCLinuxOS, etc.
I really think the major distros need to bring the community to them.Instead of 10 Fedora forks, why not try to integrate those community efforts into improving Fedora?
And the same for Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31339200</id>
	<title>Is inertia really the problem?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1267540260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I personally believe that individuals will make the difference.<br>But people are now starting to feel enough pain - be it software costs, inefficient use of hardware, viruses and other malware, etc. - that Linux and open-source software, generally, are getting plenty of attention. The cure, in other words, now outweighs the effort of applying it. Yes, Microsoft will do its part to thwart this progress,but even so I've seen broad and ever-increasing government adoption of open source</i> </p><p>He believes that individuals will make the difference - but the progress he sees is in government adoption of open source.</p><p>The top-down solution.</p><p>The mandate from on high.</p><p>Nothing much seems to be happening at ground level.</p><p>In the Net Applications stats, Linux struggles to hold on to a 1\% share of the global desktop. <a href="http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=11" title="hitslink.com">Top Operating System Share Trend</a> [hitslink.com] [March 2 Preview]</p><p>In the W3Schools <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_os.asp" title="w3schools.com">OS Platform Stats</a> [w3schools.com] W2K held a 42\% share in March 03, Linux 2\%.</p><p>W2K was never a mass market OS.</p><p>This February, Win 7 had 13\%, Linux 5\% and W2K 0\%. You could legitimately argue from these stats that Linux hasn't gained much of a grip <b> - on the desktop - </b> even when you look at usage by the pros.</p><p><i>As for the general gaming market, yes, gaming is a weakness on Linux, but addressing that is not a priority for Canonical.</i> </p><p>The PC game is the quintessential client app.</p><p>The machine that can play games is a powerhouse for <b>all</b> forms of media, interaction and communication. It sets the standard. Games and gaming tech can change the way you think about the PC or the console. How you use it.</p><p>It astonishes me that basic audio play and mixing could still be problematical for the Linux user in in 2010.</p><p> <a href="http://www.smartcomputing.com/Editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/l0307/beg15/beg15.asp&amp;guid=" title="smartcomputing.com">All About . . . Sound Cards for Windows</a> [smartcomputing.com] [July 1997]</p><p>Open Source is inherently cross-platform. The Windows port is inevitable - and it has visibility. Download.com is one click away. The quality and ease of use of the Linux repository is unknown until you install the OS.</p><p>The sample apps on the typical Linux Live CD clearly aren't setting the world on fire.</p><p>
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<tokenext>I personally believe that individuals will make the difference.But people are now starting to feel enough pain - be it software costs , inefficient use of hardware , viruses and other malware , etc .
- that Linux and open-source software , generally , are getting plenty of attention .
The cure , in other words , now outweighs the effort of applying it .
Yes , Microsoft will do its part to thwart this progress,but even so I 've seen broad and ever-increasing government adoption of open source He believes that individuals will make the difference - but the progress he sees is in government adoption of open source.The top-down solution.The mandate from on high.Nothing much seems to be happening at ground level.In the Net Applications stats , Linux struggles to hold on to a 1 \ % share of the global desktop .
Top Operating System Share Trend [ hitslink.com ] [ March 2 Preview ] In the W3Schools OS Platform Stats [ w3schools.com ] W2K held a 42 \ % share in March 03 , Linux 2 \ % .W2K was never a mass market OS.This February , Win 7 had 13 \ % , Linux 5 \ % and W2K 0 \ % .
You could legitimately argue from these stats that Linux has n't gained much of a grip - on the desktop - even when you look at usage by the pros.As for the general gaming market , yes , gaming is a weakness on Linux , but addressing that is not a priority for Canonical .
The PC game is the quintessential client app.The machine that can play games is a powerhouse for all forms of media , interaction and communication .
It sets the standard .
Games and gaming tech can change the way you think about the PC or the console .
How you use it.It astonishes me that basic audio play and mixing could still be problematical for the Linux user in in 2010 .
All About .
. .
Sound Cards for Windows [ smartcomputing.com ] [ July 1997 ] Open Source is inherently cross-platform .
The Windows port is inevitable - and it has visibility .
Download.com is one click away .
The quality and ease of use of the Linux repository is unknown until you install the OS.The sample apps on the typical Linux Live CD clearly are n't setting the world on fire .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally believe that individuals will make the difference.But people are now starting to feel enough pain - be it software costs, inefficient use of hardware, viruses and other malware, etc.
- that Linux and open-source software, generally, are getting plenty of attention.
The cure, in other words, now outweighs the effort of applying it.
Yes, Microsoft will do its part to thwart this progress,but even so I've seen broad and ever-increasing government adoption of open source He believes that individuals will make the difference - but the progress he sees is in government adoption of open source.The top-down solution.The mandate from on high.Nothing much seems to be happening at ground level.In the Net Applications stats, Linux struggles to hold on to a 1\% share of the global desktop.
Top Operating System Share Trend [hitslink.com] [March 2 Preview]In the W3Schools OS Platform Stats [w3schools.com] W2K held a 42\% share in March 03, Linux 2\%.W2K was never a mass market OS.This February, Win 7 had 13\%, Linux 5\% and W2K 0\%.
You could legitimately argue from these stats that Linux hasn't gained much of a grip  - on the desktop -  even when you look at usage by the pros.As for the general gaming market, yes, gaming is a weakness on Linux, but addressing that is not a priority for Canonical.
The PC game is the quintessential client app.The machine that can play games is a powerhouse for all forms of media, interaction and communication.
It sets the standard.
Games and gaming tech can change the way you think about the PC or the console.
How you use it.It astonishes me that basic audio play and mixing could still be problematical for the Linux user in in 2010.
All About .
. .
Sound Cards for Windows [smartcomputing.com] [July 1997]Open Source is inherently cross-platform.
The Windows port is inevitable - and it has visibility.
Download.com is one click away.
The quality and ease of use of the Linux repository is unknown until you install the OS.The sample apps on the typical Linux Live CD clearly aren't setting the world on fire.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338010</id>
	<title>Good Governments</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1267533900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>governments (good ones</p></div><p>Ha! Good one, Matt!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>governments ( good onesHa !
Good one , Matt !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>governments (good onesHa!
Good one, Matt!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31334840</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu needs two things added.</title>
	<author>etrnl</author>
	<datestamp>1267521780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that there's a popup to install proprietary drivers like nvidia if your system detects it (and a few clicks to get it running), it's really much less of an issue than you're making it.</p><p>That said, isn't Lucid switching to Noveau by default?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that there 's a popup to install proprietary drivers like nvidia if your system detects it ( and a few clicks to get it running ) , it 's really much less of an issue than you 're making it.That said , is n't Lucid switching to Noveau by default ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that there's a popup to install proprietary drivers like nvidia if your system detects it (and a few clicks to get it running), it's really much less of an issue than you're making it.That said, isn't Lucid switching to Noveau by default?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336116</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>nextekcarl</author>
	<datestamp>1267526220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had the same hardware since 8.04 (now using 9.10) and I've had almost no problems of any sort, with one exception. Since most of my work in web based I tend to have firefox open continually, and after a while (ranging from a few hours to a day or so) I will lose sound in flash (outside of flash it is fine) until I restart FF, which actually requires me to kill firefox since just closing it doesn't work at that point. Everything else seems to bee exceptionally stable for me (better than 9.04 actually). I wonder if these complaints come from a particular chipset? I used to have problems with sound pretty frequently years ago (with my older system) but I haven't had any (any that can't be traced back to flash anyway) sound based problems in a few years at least with Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had the same hardware since 8.04 ( now using 9.10 ) and I 've had almost no problems of any sort , with one exception .
Since most of my work in web based I tend to have firefox open continually , and after a while ( ranging from a few hours to a day or so ) I will lose sound in flash ( outside of flash it is fine ) until I restart FF , which actually requires me to kill firefox since just closing it does n't work at that point .
Everything else seems to bee exceptionally stable for me ( better than 9.04 actually ) .
I wonder if these complaints come from a particular chipset ?
I used to have problems with sound pretty frequently years ago ( with my older system ) but I have n't had any ( any that ca n't be traced back to flash anyway ) sound based problems in a few years at least with Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had the same hardware since 8.04 (now using 9.10) and I've had almost no problems of any sort, with one exception.
Since most of my work in web based I tend to have firefox open continually, and after a while (ranging from a few hours to a day or so) I will lose sound in flash (outside of flash it is fine) until I restart FF, which actually requires me to kill firefox since just closing it doesn't work at that point.
Everything else seems to bee exceptionally stable for me (better than 9.04 actually).
I wonder if these complaints come from a particular chipset?
I used to have problems with sound pretty frequently years ago (with my older system) but I haven't had any (any that can't be traced back to flash anyway) sound based problems in a few years at least with Linux.</sentencetext>
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	<title>What about wireless too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267527900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know everybody goes on about sound (and that's understandable), but what about wireless?</p><p>I know that none of the available wifi drivers or hacks to use the windows drivers worked at all, and I ended up running ethernet by following the cable TV run. Still wireless can be a big issue when people aren't willing to take that step or live in a rented place where they can't just go and drill holes in the wall. (If that's not an obstacle to being acceptable on the desktop for home use, then I'm not sure what is.)</p><p>Anyone ever get the word on that, or is that something that's been fixed since the last time I tried. (It's been a while, but then again my only fix was to run some wires.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know everybody goes on about sound ( and that 's understandable ) , but what about wireless ? I know that none of the available wifi drivers or hacks to use the windows drivers worked at all , and I ended up running ethernet by following the cable TV run .
Still wireless can be a big issue when people are n't willing to take that step or live in a rented place where they ca n't just go and drill holes in the wall .
( If that 's not an obstacle to being acceptable on the desktop for home use , then I 'm not sure what is .
) Anyone ever get the word on that , or is that something that 's been fixed since the last time I tried .
( It 's been a while , but then again my only fix was to run some wires .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know everybody goes on about sound (and that's understandable), but what about wireless?I know that none of the available wifi drivers or hacks to use the windows drivers worked at all, and I ended up running ethernet by following the cable TV run.
Still wireless can be a big issue when people aren't willing to take that step or live in a rented place where they can't just go and drill holes in the wall.
(If that's not an obstacle to being acceptable on the desktop for home use, then I'm not sure what is.
)Anyone ever get the word on that, or is that something that's been fixed since the last time I tried.
(It's been a while, but then again my only fix was to run some wires.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31342454</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>l0b0</author>
	<datestamp>1267611960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having used Ubuntu first with 5.1 optical/analog onboard sound, and currently with 7.1 ditto, I have to say the ease of setup has gone up and down vastly between releases. The trend is upwards, however: 5.1 analog and stereo optical output works out of the box with 9.4 and 9.10, unlike before, now the only thing missing is the GUI option for 5.1 optical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having used Ubuntu first with 5.1 optical/analog onboard sound , and currently with 7.1 ditto , I have to say the ease of setup has gone up and down vastly between releases .
The trend is upwards , however : 5.1 analog and stereo optical output works out of the box with 9.4 and 9.10 , unlike before , now the only thing missing is the GUI option for 5.1 optical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having used Ubuntu first with 5.1 optical/analog onboard sound, and currently with 7.1 ditto, I have to say the ease of setup has gone up and down vastly between releases.
The trend is upwards, however: 5.1 analog and stereo optical output works out of the box with 9.4 and 9.10, unlike before, now the only thing missing is the GUI option for 5.1 optical.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335038</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>0racle</author>
	<datestamp>1267522440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's to understand? It doesn't work, seems simple enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's to understand ?
It does n't work , seems simple enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's to understand?
It doesn't work, seems simple enough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336156</id>
	<title>Re:Ubuntu needs two things added.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1267526340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The hardware manager pops up on first boot and gives you the option to install proprietary drivers for devices it's found on your system (like Nvidia/AMD cards). Also, the first time you try to use a media player you get the option to install proprietary codecs. This has worked for at least the last couple of years.</i> </p><p>The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for thirty years. The buyer doesn't think "open or closed," he thinks "convenience, power and performance." </p><p>Ideally, something he can see demonstrated in-store.</p><p>Near the end of its last flirtation with Linux, Walmart.com was posting yellow-bordered banners to warn potential customers that Linux was not Windows. That may have solved some problems with returns, but it was scarcely a boost to sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hardware manager pops up on first boot and gives you the option to install proprietary drivers for devices it 's found on your system ( like Nvidia/AMD cards ) .
Also , the first time you try to use a media player you get the option to install proprietary codecs .
This has worked for at least the last couple of years .
The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for thirty years .
The buyer does n't think " open or closed , " he thinks " convenience , power and performance .
" Ideally , something he can see demonstrated in-store.Near the end of its last flirtation with Linux , Walmart.com was posting yellow-bordered banners to warn potential customers that Linux was not Windows .
That may have solved some problems with returns , but it was scarcely a boost to sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hardware manager pops up on first boot and gives you the option to install proprietary drivers for devices it's found on your system (like Nvidia/AMD cards).
Also, the first time you try to use a media player you get the option to install proprietary codecs.
This has worked for at least the last couple of years.
The OEM system install has been the gold standard in the consumer market for thirty years.
The buyer doesn't think "open or closed," he thinks "convenience, power and performance.
" Ideally, something he can see demonstrated in-store.Near the end of its last flirtation with Linux, Walmart.com was posting yellow-bordered banners to warn potential customers that Linux was not Windows.
That may have solved some problems with returns, but it was scarcely a boost to sales.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336690</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>tixxit</author>
	<datestamp>1267528680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>He answered the question, you just didn't like the answer: it is not a priority for Canonical. Game makers go where the market is and the Linux market is just not there yet. There is no great technical hurdle that, once solved by Canonical, will bring games to Linux. They are doing the best thing they could possibly do to get games to come to Linux: get more people using Linux. They are doing this by focusing on markets that Linux can actually compete in <em>right now</em>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He answered the question , you just did n't like the answer : it is not a priority for Canonical .
Game makers go where the market is and the Linux market is just not there yet .
There is no great technical hurdle that , once solved by Canonical , will bring games to Linux .
They are doing the best thing they could possibly do to get games to come to Linux : get more people using Linux .
They are doing this by focusing on markets that Linux can actually compete in right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He answered the question, you just didn't like the answer: it is not a priority for Canonical.
Game makers go where the market is and the Linux market is just not there yet.
There is no great technical hurdle that, once solved by Canonical, will bring games to Linux.
They are doing the best thing they could possibly do to get games to come to Linux: get more people using Linux.
They are doing this by focusing on markets that Linux can actually compete in right now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336928</id>
	<title>Re:Fix Sound!</title>
	<author>sciurus0</author>
	<datestamp>1267529520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, why can't there be one way to do it <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/\_vLES3KKBdaM/Sjsptq1kkCI/AAAAAAAAAGU/yITp1qKuHOU/s1600-h/windowsaudio.png" title="blogspot.com">like on Windows</a> [blogspot.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , why ca n't there be one way to do it like on Windows [ blogspot.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, why can't there be one way to do it like on Windows [blogspot.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335304</id>
	<title>What Linux needs yesterday</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1267523220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Everything a user would want needs to work out of the box, even if that means bundling proprietary video drivers, Flash, etc.<br>2. They need a major retail presence. Red Hat had boxed copies in stores ages ago, but most users aren't comfortable replacing an OS. You need to be able to purchase a computer with Linux preinstalled from major retailers. There have been very minor experiments with this, but most retailers seemed to push customers away from the Linux models. This may change a bit with Chrome on netbooks, but Chrome is largely just a browser.<br>3. Linux names marketing. With fragmentation, this is difficult. Google will add some name recognition, but until the average person develops some trust with the Linux "brand", you won't see massive acceptance.<br>4. Migration needs to be simple. An installer should help you migrate your documents and settings over without too much pain or grief.</p><p>These goals can be accomplished partially by the community (word-of-mouth advertising, perhaps running a community GetLinux.com site akin to the GetFirefox campaign, etc), but part of this needs to come from major Linux companies like Canonical.</p><p>Until those four points are addressed, don't ever expect Linux on the desktop to be anything but a niche product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Everything a user would want needs to work out of the box , even if that means bundling proprietary video drivers , Flash , etc.2 .
They need a major retail presence .
Red Hat had boxed copies in stores ages ago , but most users are n't comfortable replacing an OS .
You need to be able to purchase a computer with Linux preinstalled from major retailers .
There have been very minor experiments with this , but most retailers seemed to push customers away from the Linux models .
This may change a bit with Chrome on netbooks , but Chrome is largely just a browser.3 .
Linux names marketing .
With fragmentation , this is difficult .
Google will add some name recognition , but until the average person develops some trust with the Linux " brand " , you wo n't see massive acceptance.4 .
Migration needs to be simple .
An installer should help you migrate your documents and settings over without too much pain or grief.These goals can be accomplished partially by the community ( word-of-mouth advertising , perhaps running a community GetLinux.com site akin to the GetFirefox campaign , etc ) , but part of this needs to come from major Linux companies like Canonical.Until those four points are addressed , do n't ever expect Linux on the desktop to be anything but a niche product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Everything a user would want needs to work out of the box, even if that means bundling proprietary video drivers, Flash, etc.2.
They need a major retail presence.
Red Hat had boxed copies in stores ages ago, but most users aren't comfortable replacing an OS.
You need to be able to purchase a computer with Linux preinstalled from major retailers.
There have been very minor experiments with this, but most retailers seemed to push customers away from the Linux models.
This may change a bit with Chrome on netbooks, but Chrome is largely just a browser.3.
Linux names marketing.
With fragmentation, this is difficult.
Google will add some name recognition, but until the average person develops some trust with the Linux "brand", you won't see massive acceptance.4.
Migration needs to be simple.
An installer should help you migrate your documents and settings over without too much pain or grief.These goals can be accomplished partially by the community (word-of-mouth advertising, perhaps running a community GetLinux.com site akin to the GetFirefox campaign, etc), but part of this needs to come from major Linux companies like Canonical.Until those four points are addressed, don't ever expect Linux on the desktop to be anything but a niche product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336436</id>
	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>dHagger</author>
	<datestamp>1267527540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can only agree. Using the same hardware since 7.04, I've seen improvements up to about 8.04. After that, it has gone downhill. Audio has gone from "good" to "horrible" in three versions (I'm going to wait and see if 10.04 improves things, or I will install OSS 4 instead). Things like Notify OSD was rushed/pushed out before it was ready. Changing monitor settings in Gnome requires the applet to be launched with root privileges from run/console instead from the menu to be able to apply the changes, at least on the various 8.10/9.04 laptops I have seen/used. Last time i tried KUbuntu (I don't remember if it was 9.04 or 9.10) multi-monitor support was not working at all. </p><p>The answers from Matt gives me the feeling they aim for "quantity" instead of "quality". I don't care if Ubuntu supports some rare hardware if I have major problems listening to music using a default Ubuntu install on some really common desktop hardware. I don't care if the new and shiny feature that replaced the old and proven feature has some nice touches, if this new feature is so incomplete/unfinished that it breaks things (like Notify OSD placing notifications outside the visible areas in some configurations, and no options whatsoever to move them back inside).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only agree .
Using the same hardware since 7.04 , I 've seen improvements up to about 8.04 .
After that , it has gone downhill .
Audio has gone from " good " to " horrible " in three versions ( I 'm going to wait and see if 10.04 improves things , or I will install OSS 4 instead ) .
Things like Notify OSD was rushed/pushed out before it was ready .
Changing monitor settings in Gnome requires the applet to be launched with root privileges from run/console instead from the menu to be able to apply the changes , at least on the various 8.10/9.04 laptops I have seen/used .
Last time i tried KUbuntu ( I do n't remember if it was 9.04 or 9.10 ) multi-monitor support was not working at all .
The answers from Matt gives me the feeling they aim for " quantity " instead of " quality " .
I do n't care if Ubuntu supports some rare hardware if I have major problems listening to music using a default Ubuntu install on some really common desktop hardware .
I do n't care if the new and shiny feature that replaced the old and proven feature has some nice touches , if this new feature is so incomplete/unfinished that it breaks things ( like Notify OSD placing notifications outside the visible areas in some configurations , and no options whatsoever to move them back inside ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only agree.
Using the same hardware since 7.04, I've seen improvements up to about 8.04.
After that, it has gone downhill.
Audio has gone from "good" to "horrible" in three versions (I'm going to wait and see if 10.04 improves things, or I will install OSS 4 instead).
Things like Notify OSD was rushed/pushed out before it was ready.
Changing monitor settings in Gnome requires the applet to be launched with root privileges from run/console instead from the menu to be able to apply the changes, at least on the various 8.10/9.04 laptops I have seen/used.
Last time i tried KUbuntu (I don't remember if it was 9.04 or 9.10) multi-monitor support was not working at all.
The answers from Matt gives me the feeling they aim for "quantity" instead of "quality".
I don't care if Ubuntu supports some rare hardware if I have major problems listening to music using a default Ubuntu install on some really common desktop hardware.
I don't care if the new and shiny feature that replaced the old and proven feature has some nice touches, if this new feature is so incomplete/unfinished that it breaks things (like Notify OSD placing notifications outside the visible areas in some configurations, and no options whatsoever to move them back inside).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31337470</id>
	<title>Re:Bad answers.</title>
	<author>thescooterman</author>
	<datestamp>1267531440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed, When you look at other 'stacks' in the computer world, what drives adoption of the OS / Database, etc.. is the stuff higher in the stack.  For example:

    I don't ever want to buy Oracle database, I want to buy  which REQUIRES Oracle.

    Same goes for the OS (with the exception of the mighty few found here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.) nobody really wants an OS b/c they WANT an OS.  They have a job to do, and getting that job done involves .  To get the job done efficiently, they will buy whatever 'stack' is required.  If canonical, with the momentum they've gained can look Adobe, etc... in the eye and say "Get yourself onto this platform or you will surely die"... THEN you'll see the uptake.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , When you look at other 'stacks ' in the computer world , what drives adoption of the OS / Database , etc.. is the stuff higher in the stack .
For example : I do n't ever want to buy Oracle database , I want to buy which REQUIRES Oracle .
Same goes for the OS ( with the exception of the mighty few found here on / .
) nobody really wants an OS b/c they WANT an OS .
They have a job to do , and getting that job done involves .
To get the job done efficiently , they will buy whatever 'stack ' is required .
If canonical , with the momentum they 've gained can look Adobe , etc... in the eye and say " Get yourself onto this platform or you will surely die " ... THEN you 'll see the uptake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, When you look at other 'stacks' in the computer world, what drives adoption of the OS / Database, etc.. is the stuff higher in the stack.
For example:

    I don't ever want to buy Oracle database, I want to buy  which REQUIRES Oracle.
Same goes for the OS (with the exception of the mighty few found here on /.
) nobody really wants an OS b/c they WANT an OS.
They have a job to do, and getting that job done involves .
To get the job done efficiently, they will buy whatever 'stack' is required.
If canonical, with the momentum they've gained can look Adobe, etc... in the eye and say "Get yourself onto this platform or you will surely die"... THEN you'll see the uptake.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Port direct x...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267547640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... I think the guys that work at canonical have no idee what they are doing personally.</p><p>In order for me to switch from any microsoft OS I need:</p><p>-Direct Dirtect X Gaming support<br>-Backwards copatability with games<br>-Improvements in performance over Windows OS.</p><p>For 99\% of the people the OS doesn't matter, it's what your options are for OTHER applications on the system and right now MS has a huge monopoly.</p><p>If you want mass adoption I would go the gamer route and increase your performance, if you can make games run faster with less hassle on Ubuntu I'd easily switch, but if there is no performance benefit, why bother?</p><p>Right now Microsoft has basicaly abandoned the PC game market with trying to move everyone over to  consoles, imagine how FREEING it would be to have an open source OS that is also BETTER in performance for games and less hassle then windows?</p><p>If I had your kind of money I would have reverse engineered direct X and WINE doesn't count, you really need full comparability without any speed hits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... I think the guys that work at canonical have no idee what they are doing personally.In order for me to switch from any microsoft OS I need : -Direct Dirtect X Gaming support-Backwards copatability with games-Improvements in performance over Windows OS.For 99 \ % of the people the OS does n't matter , it 's what your options are for OTHER applications on the system and right now MS has a huge monopoly.If you want mass adoption I would go the gamer route and increase your performance , if you can make games run faster with less hassle on Ubuntu I 'd easily switch , but if there is no performance benefit , why bother ? Right now Microsoft has basicaly abandoned the PC game market with trying to move everyone over to consoles , imagine how FREEING it would be to have an open source OS that is also BETTER in performance for games and less hassle then windows ? If I had your kind of money I would have reverse engineered direct X and WINE does n't count , you really need full comparability without any speed hits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I think the guys that work at canonical have no idee what they are doing personally.In order for me to switch from any microsoft OS I need:-Direct Dirtect X Gaming support-Backwards copatability with games-Improvements in performance over Windows OS.For 99\% of the people the OS doesn't matter, it's what your options are for OTHER applications on the system and right now MS has a huge monopoly.If you want mass adoption I would go the gamer route and increase your performance, if you can make games run faster with less hassle on Ubuntu I'd easily switch, but if there is no performance benefit, why bother?Right now Microsoft has basicaly abandoned the PC game market with trying to move everyone over to  consoles, imagine how FREEING it would be to have an open source OS that is also BETTER in performance for games and less hassle then windows?If I had your kind of money I would have reverse engineered direct X and WINE doesn't count, you really need full comparability without any speed hits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31338444</id>
	<title>"GIMP" as a name</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267535880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, lots of people have complained about GIMP for reasons ranging from lack of specific functionality to an unconventional UI, and even to the awkward connotations of the name 'GIMP.'</p></div><p>"GIMP" has always seemed like a spectacularly bad choice of name to me. I mean, they could have merely offended the disabled if they'd named it CRIP (Computer Resource for Images and Pictures), but no, they managed to do that <em>while simultaneously</em> invoking associations with gay S&amp;M.</p><p>In fact, as an act of brazen partisanship in the GNU/Linux naming battle, I hereby rename the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) to be the Linux Image Manipulation Program (LIMP). That's, er, mildly better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , lots of people have complained about GIMP for reasons ranging from lack of specific functionality to an unconventional UI , and even to the awkward connotations of the name 'GIMP .
' " GIMP " has always seemed like a spectacularly bad choice of name to me .
I mean , they could have merely offended the disabled if they 'd named it CRIP ( Computer Resource for Images and Pictures ) , but no , they managed to do that while simultaneously invoking associations with gay S&amp;M.In fact , as an act of brazen partisanship in the GNU/Linux naming battle , I hereby rename the GNU Image Manipulation Program ( GIMP ) to be the Linux Image Manipulation Program ( LIMP ) .
That 's , er , mildly better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, lots of people have complained about GIMP for reasons ranging from lack of specific functionality to an unconventional UI, and even to the awkward connotations of the name 'GIMP.
'"GIMP" has always seemed like a spectacularly bad choice of name to me.
I mean, they could have merely offended the disabled if they'd named it CRIP (Computer Resource for Images and Pictures), but no, they managed to do that while simultaneously invoking associations with gay S&amp;M.In fact, as an act of brazen partisanship in the GNU/Linux naming battle, I hereby rename the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) to be the Linux Image Manipulation Program (LIMP).
That's, er, mildly better.
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	<title>Re:Forget gaming, I guess...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267610700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as the gaming goes, you need to push the manufacturers of your games to make a Linux port.  Yes, companies like Canonical need to be doing so also, but guess what?  The game makers are going to say "Well, we don't see a need to migrate to your Operating System, as it doesn't have a high enough market share."  BUT, with you and the other people who "still use Windows simply because of gaming" calling them (emailing them) and demanding that they migrate over to Linux (or you'll find games that will), they will start looking at it.</p><p>In other words, Canonical can suggest that they port the games over, but until the PAYING CUSTOMERS demand it or refuse to pay, the manufacturers are just going to snub their noses at the idea.</p><p>Yes, he dodged the question..  But he also answered it in essentially the same way that I did.  Until the manufacturers start seeing an incentive to make games/drivers/programs/etc for Linux (read as "I won't buy it from you, unless you do") they aren't going to do it.</p><p>Have a great day:)<br>Patrick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as the gaming goes , you need to push the manufacturers of your games to make a Linux port .
Yes , companies like Canonical need to be doing so also , but guess what ?
The game makers are going to say " Well , we do n't see a need to migrate to your Operating System , as it does n't have a high enough market share .
" BUT , with you and the other people who " still use Windows simply because of gaming " calling them ( emailing them ) and demanding that they migrate over to Linux ( or you 'll find games that will ) , they will start looking at it.In other words , Canonical can suggest that they port the games over , but until the PAYING CUSTOMERS demand it or refuse to pay , the manufacturers are just going to snub their noses at the idea.Yes , he dodged the question.. But he also answered it in essentially the same way that I did .
Until the manufacturers start seeing an incentive to make games/drivers/programs/etc for Linux ( read as " I wo n't buy it from you , unless you do " ) they are n't going to do it.Have a great day : ) Patrick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as the gaming goes, you need to push the manufacturers of your games to make a Linux port.
Yes, companies like Canonical need to be doing so also, but guess what?
The game makers are going to say "Well, we don't see a need to migrate to your Operating System, as it doesn't have a high enough market share.
"  BUT, with you and the other people who "still use Windows simply because of gaming" calling them (emailing them) and demanding that they migrate over to Linux (or you'll find games that will), they will start looking at it.In other words, Canonical can suggest that they port the games over, but until the PAYING CUSTOMERS demand it or refuse to pay, the manufacturers are just going to snub their noses at the idea.Yes, he dodged the question..  But he also answered it in essentially the same way that I did.
Until the manufacturers start seeing an incentive to make games/drivers/programs/etc for Linux (read as "I won't buy it from you, unless you do") they aren't going to do it.Have a great day:)Patrick.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Noob</title>
	<author>zarlino</author>
	<datestamp>1267530720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy sounds like a complete newbie to me. I'd rather see him asking basic question on the Ubuntu forums then guiding Canonical to success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy sounds like a complete newbie to me .
I 'd rather see him asking basic question on the Ubuntu forums then guiding Canonical to success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy sounds like a complete newbie to me.
I'd rather see him asking basic question on the Ubuntu forums then guiding Canonical to success.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:9.10 is buggy imo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267730580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same problem with Firefox, on windows!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same problem with Firefox , on windows !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same problem with Firefox, on windows!</sentencetext>
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	<title>KDE response was lame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267522260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could he have avoided the KDe-package-quality questions, and the Kubuntu-system app questions, any better?</p><p>Come on, those 'answers' shouldn't have even been posted.  For KDE lovers, try other distros.  That shouldn't be news, however.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could he have avoided the KDe-package-quality questions , and the Kubuntu-system app questions , any better ? Come on , those 'answers ' should n't have even been posted .
For KDE lovers , try other distros .
That should n't be news , however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could he have avoided the KDe-package-quality questions, and the Kubuntu-system app questions, any better?Come on, those 'answers' shouldn't have even been posted.
For KDE lovers, try other distros.
That shouldn't be news, however.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31339132</id>
	<title>Brushing away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267539720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A bit like I brush away pulseaudio</p><p>y | apt-get remove pulseaudio</p><p>Enough has been said about KDE4.  Deadhorse.  Dead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bit like I brush away pulseaudioy | apt-get remove pulseaudioEnough has been said about KDE4 .
Deadhorse. Dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bit like I brush away pulseaudioy | apt-get remove pulseaudioEnough has been said about KDE4.
Deadhorse.  Dead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335902</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>theshowmecanuck</author>
	<datestamp>1267525500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you read his reply:</p><blockquote><div><p>Matt: I remember my first taste of the KDE/Gnome divide when I was involved in the Linux Business Office at Novell. It was fractious then and, judging from your "question," it remains so. I don't want to add to this rancorous debate, but do hope you'll continue to talk actively and openly with Canonical and the Ubuntu community to ensure your views are heard and the Ubuntu distribution remains one that you will enjoy using.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
This is executive-ese for, "I don't give a shit, and we won't be doing anything to stop fucking KDE." Very similar to, "thank you for your input, I'll take it under advisement."</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you read his reply : Matt : I remember my first taste of the KDE/Gnome divide when I was involved in the Linux Business Office at Novell .
It was fractious then and , judging from your " question , " it remains so .
I do n't want to add to this rancorous debate , but do hope you 'll continue to talk actively and openly with Canonical and the Ubuntu community to ensure your views are heard and the Ubuntu distribution remains one that you will enjoy using .
This is executive-ese for , " I do n't give a shit , and we wo n't be doing anything to stop fucking KDE .
" Very similar to , " thank you for your input , I 'll take it under advisement .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read his reply:Matt: I remember my first taste of the KDE/Gnome divide when I was involved in the Linux Business Office at Novell.
It was fractious then and, judging from your "question," it remains so.
I don't want to add to this rancorous debate, but do hope you'll continue to talk actively and openly with Canonical and the Ubuntu community to ensure your views are heard and the Ubuntu distribution remains one that you will enjoy using.
This is executive-ese for, "I don't give a shit, and we won't be doing anything to stop fucking KDE.
" Very similar to, "thank you for your input, I'll take it under advisement.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335270</id>
	<title>Dodging questions about quality.  Geez.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267523100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He managed to dodge some questions, in a very unsatisfying manner.  Look at this:</p><blockquote><div><p>with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?"<br>Matt: I'm new to the Ubuntu party, but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu. No?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Uhh, no.  Kubuntu is far from a quality release.  The questioner was trying to put this politely, Mr. Asay, and you took advantage of his courtesy to dodge the question.  Try answering this one: <strong>"Why does Kubuntu suck?"</strong>  Did you grasp the intent behind <em>that</em> one?</p><blockquote><div><p>they [Ubuntu] put out unstable, buggy, and sometimes flat-out broken KDE packages.<br>Matt: I remember my first taste of the KDE/Gnome divide when I was involved in the Linux Business Office at Novell. It was fractious then and, judging from your "question," it remains so. I don't want to add to this rancorous debate</p></div></blockquote><p>Second dodge of this question.  This is NOT the "which is better, KDE or GNOME?" question.  This is the "why does Kubuntu fall short of KDE?" question.</p><blockquote><div><p>I have been extremely disappointed with the most recent release of Ubuntu, 9.10, as it has been extremely buggy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Do you have any plans to increase quality control in Ubuntu?<br>Matt: We are not complacent about bugs or quality<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... As for Ubuntu 9.10, I've heard people call it a buggy release but that has not been my personal experience</p></div></blockquote><p>Slightly different question that you dodged here, now it's not "Why does Kubuntu suck?" but "Why does Ubuntu suck even when KDE is not involved?"  I guess you can't twist it into a KDE/GNOME playoff this time.  I notice that you've used the good ol' trick of "What problem?  I don't have a problem, therefore you don't either."  Unfortunately, Mr. Asay, I suspect that I'm not the only one around here who recognizes your fallacious train of thought.  Maybe I can entertain you with a joke:</p><p>Q: How many Ubuntu-using Matt Asay's does it take to change a light bulb?<br>A: Why do you want to change the light bulb?  I have an exact identical copy of your light bulb here, and it works fine for me.</p><p>Okay, next question:</p><blockquote><div><p>I'm really dismayed by the quality of jaunty and (especially) karmic.</p></div></blockquote><p>Wow!  That's the <strong>fifth</strong> question about the quality of your software.  In a list limited to 12 questions voted to the top by a large number of Slashdotters, we spent <em>five</em> of those questions directly asking about quality.  Do you get the sense that your community is trying to tell you something, Mr. Asay?  Let's see what your response is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><blockquote><div><p>Matt: See my response above</p></div></blockquote><p>You know, I was hoping for better.  I understand that you're new to Linux, and fielding questions from Slashdotters is probably not one of those essential duties that will determine whether or not you get a bonus at the end of the year.  But here's your chance to directly reach out to the people who support you, but who are at the same time telling you that you have problems.  You could acknowledge the problems, or at least acknowledge our questions, something like "I see that there is a lot of concern about quality.  Here are our processes for improving quality: (insert blurb)  I'll find out a bit more and post it on the Ubuntu forum." etc.   But to say, "I personally have not had problems with my Ubuntu, so I won't answer your question<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..." geez, we hashed that out on Slashdot before Canonical even existed.</p><p>Disclosure of my personal stance: Linux fan, no Microsoft on my computers since 2004.  KDE fan, but Kubuntu has been disappointing.  Using KDE3 on Kubuntu 8.04, waiting for Lucid (10.04) to come out so I can learn it and not have to chase after a moving target reinstalling every half a year.  I believe KDE4 will be a good experience now, but am not going to find out until Lucid.</p></div>
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<tokenext>He managed to dodge some questions , in a very unsatisfying manner .
Look at this : with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux , do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop ?
" Matt : I 'm new to the Ubuntu party , but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu .
No ? Uhh , no .
Kubuntu is far from a quality release .
The questioner was trying to put this politely , Mr. Asay , and you took advantage of his courtesy to dodge the question .
Try answering this one : " Why does Kubuntu suck ?
" Did you grasp the intent behind that one ? they [ Ubuntu ] put out unstable , buggy , and sometimes flat-out broken KDE packages.Matt : I remember my first taste of the KDE/Gnome divide when I was involved in the Linux Business Office at Novell .
It was fractious then and , judging from your " question , " it remains so .
I do n't want to add to this rancorous debateSecond dodge of this question .
This is NOT the " which is better , KDE or GNOME ?
" question .
This is the " why does Kubuntu fall short of KDE ?
" question.I have been extremely disappointed with the most recent release of Ubuntu , 9.10 , as it has been extremely buggy ... Do you have any plans to increase quality control in Ubuntu ? Matt : We are not complacent about bugs or quality ... As for Ubuntu 9.10 , I 've heard people call it a buggy release but that has not been my personal experienceSlightly different question that you dodged here , now it 's not " Why does Kubuntu suck ?
" but " Why does Ubuntu suck even when KDE is not involved ?
" I guess you ca n't twist it into a KDE/GNOME playoff this time .
I notice that you 've used the good ol ' trick of " What problem ?
I do n't have a problem , therefore you do n't either .
" Unfortunately , Mr. Asay , I suspect that I 'm not the only one around here who recognizes your fallacious train of thought .
Maybe I can entertain you with a joke : Q : How many Ubuntu-using Matt Asay 's does it take to change a light bulb ? A : Why do you want to change the light bulb ?
I have an exact identical copy of your light bulb here , and it works fine for me.Okay , next question : I 'm really dismayed by the quality of jaunty and ( especially ) karmic.Wow !
That 's the fifth question about the quality of your software .
In a list limited to 12 questions voted to the top by a large number of Slashdotters , we spent five of those questions directly asking about quality .
Do you get the sense that your community is trying to tell you something , Mr. Asay ? Let 's see what your response is ...Matt : See my response aboveYou know , I was hoping for better .
I understand that you 're new to Linux , and fielding questions from Slashdotters is probably not one of those essential duties that will determine whether or not you get a bonus at the end of the year .
But here 's your chance to directly reach out to the people who support you , but who are at the same time telling you that you have problems .
You could acknowledge the problems , or at least acknowledge our questions , something like " I see that there is a lot of concern about quality .
Here are our processes for improving quality : ( insert blurb ) I 'll find out a bit more and post it on the Ubuntu forum .
" etc .
But to say , " I personally have not had problems with my Ubuntu , so I wo n't answer your question ... " geez , we hashed that out on Slashdot before Canonical even existed.Disclosure of my personal stance : Linux fan , no Microsoft on my computers since 2004 .
KDE fan , but Kubuntu has been disappointing .
Using KDE3 on Kubuntu 8.04 , waiting for Lucid ( 10.04 ) to come out so I can learn it and not have to chase after a moving target reinstalling every half a year .
I believe KDE4 will be a good experience now , but am not going to find out until Lucid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He managed to dodge some questions, in a very unsatisfying manner.
Look at this:with Ubuntu becoming almost synonymous with Linux, do they have a responsibility to try and put out a quality KDE desktop along with a quality Gnome desktop?
"Matt: I'm new to the Ubuntu party, but I believe we already do this with Kubuntu.
No? Uhh, no.
Kubuntu is far from a quality release.
The questioner was trying to put this politely, Mr. Asay, and you took advantage of his courtesy to dodge the question.
Try answering this one: "Why does Kubuntu suck?
"  Did you grasp the intent behind that one?they [Ubuntu] put out unstable, buggy, and sometimes flat-out broken KDE packages.Matt: I remember my first taste of the KDE/Gnome divide when I was involved in the Linux Business Office at Novell.
It was fractious then and, judging from your "question," it remains so.
I don't want to add to this rancorous debateSecond dodge of this question.
This is NOT the "which is better, KDE or GNOME?
" question.
This is the "why does Kubuntu fall short of KDE?
" question.I have been extremely disappointed with the most recent release of Ubuntu, 9.10, as it has been extremely buggy ... Do you have any plans to increase quality control in Ubuntu?Matt: We are not complacent about bugs or quality ... As for Ubuntu 9.10, I've heard people call it a buggy release but that has not been my personal experienceSlightly different question that you dodged here, now it's not "Why does Kubuntu suck?
" but "Why does Ubuntu suck even when KDE is not involved?
"  I guess you can't twist it into a KDE/GNOME playoff this time.
I notice that you've used the good ol' trick of "What problem?
I don't have a problem, therefore you don't either.
"  Unfortunately, Mr. Asay, I suspect that I'm not the only one around here who recognizes your fallacious train of thought.
Maybe I can entertain you with a joke:Q: How many Ubuntu-using Matt Asay's does it take to change a light bulb?A: Why do you want to change the light bulb?
I have an exact identical copy of your light bulb here, and it works fine for me.Okay, next question:I'm really dismayed by the quality of jaunty and (especially) karmic.Wow!
That's the fifth question about the quality of your software.
In a list limited to 12 questions voted to the top by a large number of Slashdotters, we spent five of those questions directly asking about quality.
Do you get the sense that your community is trying to tell you something, Mr. Asay?  Let's see what your response is ...Matt: See my response aboveYou know, I was hoping for better.
I understand that you're new to Linux, and fielding questions from Slashdotters is probably not one of those essential duties that will determine whether or not you get a bonus at the end of the year.
But here's your chance to directly reach out to the people who support you, but who are at the same time telling you that you have problems.
You could acknowledge the problems, or at least acknowledge our questions, something like "I see that there is a lot of concern about quality.
Here are our processes for improving quality: (insert blurb)  I'll find out a bit more and post it on the Ubuntu forum.
" etc.
But to say, "I personally have not had problems with my Ubuntu, so I won't answer your question ..." geez, we hashed that out on Slashdot before Canonical even existed.Disclosure of my personal stance: Linux fan, no Microsoft on my computers since 2004.
KDE fan, but Kubuntu has been disappointing.
Using KDE3 on Kubuntu 8.04, waiting for Lucid (10.04) to come out so I can learn it and not have to chase after a moving target reinstalling every half a year.
I believe KDE4 will be a good experience now, but am not going to find out until Lucid.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31345764</id>
	<title>Re:MS, Ubuntu, all the same marketing flak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267632780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes. Canonical is a corporation like any other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Canonical is a corporation like any other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Canonical is a corporation like any other.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31336168</id>
	<title>Re:Too much denial</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267526400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine tried KDE-4 with Arch Linux, and had the same experience.  So apparently it is KDE-4 fault, not Ubuntu's. Everything I have read in the web points to the same direction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine tried KDE-4 with Arch Linux , and had the same experience .
So apparently it is KDE-4 fault , not Ubuntu 's .
Everything I have read in the web points to the same direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine tried KDE-4 with Arch Linux, and had the same experience.
So apparently it is KDE-4 fault, not Ubuntu's.
Everything I have read in the web points to the same direction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_03_02_186206.31335682</id>
	<title>Re:A question from an ignoramus</title>
	<author>clarkn0va</author>
	<datestamp>1267524600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always considered this to be one of Linux's strengths. I have many times taken a hard drive from a working computer, dropped it into another box with all different hardware, and fired it up with only a couple minor issues: if you want a proprietary driver on the new box (such as a video card driver), but weren't using it on the old one, then you'll have to add that manually. The primary ethernet interface will have a new name (eth1 instead of eth0, for example), but other than that, it's pretty much plug and play. I assumed all Linux distros were similar due to most drivers being present as modules that load on demand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always considered this to be one of Linux 's strengths .
I have many times taken a hard drive from a working computer , dropped it into another box with all different hardware , and fired it up with only a couple minor issues : if you want a proprietary driver on the new box ( such as a video card driver ) , but were n't using it on the old one , then you 'll have to add that manually .
The primary ethernet interface will have a new name ( eth1 instead of eth0 , for example ) , but other than that , it 's pretty much plug and play .
I assumed all Linux distros were similar due to most drivers being present as modules that load on demand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always considered this to be one of Linux's strengths.
I have many times taken a hard drive from a working computer, dropped it into another box with all different hardware, and fired it up with only a couple minor issues: if you want a proprietary driver on the new box (such as a video card driver), but weren't using it on the old one, then you'll have to add that manually.
The primary ethernet interface will have a new name (eth1 instead of eth0, for example), but other than that, it's pretty much plug and play.
I assumed all Linux distros were similar due to most drivers being present as modules that load on demand.</sentencetext>
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