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	<title>New Wave of Antibiotic-Resistant Bacteria</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1267351020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>reporter writes <i>"New strains of 'Gram-negative' bacteria have become <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/business/27germ.html?pagewanted=print">resistant to all safe antibiotics</a>. Though methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is the best-known antibiotic-resistant germ, the new class of resistant bacteria could be more dangerous still. 'The bacteria, classified as Gram-negative because of their reaction to the so-called Gram stain test, can cause severe pneumonia and infections of the urinary tract, bloodstream, and other parts of the body. Their cell structure makes them more difficult to attack with antibiotics than Gram-positive organisms like MRSA.' The only antibiotics &mdash; colistin and polymyxin B &mdash; that still have efficacy against Gram-negative bacteria produce dangerous side effects: kidney damage and nerve damage. Patients who are infected with Gram-negative bacteria must make the unsavory choice between life with kidney damage or death with intact kidneys. Recently, some new strains of Gram-negative bacteria have shown resistance against even colistin and polymyxin B. Infection with these new strains typically means death for the patient."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>reporter writes " New strains of 'Gram-negative ' bacteria have become resistant to all safe antibiotics .
Though methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus ( MRSA ) is the best-known antibiotic-resistant germ , the new class of resistant bacteria could be more dangerous still .
'The bacteria , classified as Gram-negative because of their reaction to the so-called Gram stain test , can cause severe pneumonia and infections of the urinary tract , bloodstream , and other parts of the body .
Their cell structure makes them more difficult to attack with antibiotics than Gram-positive organisms like MRSA .
' The only antibiotics    colistin and polymyxin B    that still have efficacy against Gram-negative bacteria produce dangerous side effects : kidney damage and nerve damage .
Patients who are infected with Gram-negative bacteria must make the unsavory choice between life with kidney damage or death with intact kidneys .
Recently , some new strains of Gram-negative bacteria have shown resistance against even colistin and polymyxin B. Infection with these new strains typically means death for the patient .
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<sentencetext>reporter writes "New strains of 'Gram-negative' bacteria have become resistant to all safe antibiotics.
Though methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is the best-known antibiotic-resistant germ, the new class of resistant bacteria could be more dangerous still.
'The bacteria, classified as Gram-negative because of their reaction to the so-called Gram stain test, can cause severe pneumonia and infections of the urinary tract, bloodstream, and other parts of the body.
Their cell structure makes them more difficult to attack with antibiotics than Gram-positive organisms like MRSA.
' The only antibiotics — colistin and polymyxin B — that still have efficacy against Gram-negative bacteria produce dangerous side effects: kidney damage and nerve damage.
Patients who are infected with Gram-negative bacteria must make the unsavory choice between life with kidney damage or death with intact kidneys.
Recently, some new strains of Gram-negative bacteria have shown resistance against even colistin and polymyxin B. Infection with these new strains typically means death for the patient.
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	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1267449960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because *obviously* the bio-industry has the best interests of the consumer at heart, and not their own pockets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because * obviously * the bio-industry has the best interests of the consumer at heart , and not their own pockets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because *obviously* the bio-industry has the best interests of the consumer at heart, and not their own pockets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
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	<title>Summary incorrect</title>
	<author>SakuraDreams</author>
	<datestamp>1267437180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kidney damage is not a given when using any of these antibiotics and death with intact kidneys is also erroneous because Gram negative Endotoxic shock (or septic shock) often results in kidney complications - DIC, immune complex mediated glomerulonephritis, renal sepsis, pre-renal failure culminating in ATN, bilateral cortical necrosis etc. You end up dying of multiple organ failure - kidneys are one of these critical organs which fail. <p> Here's a link: <a href="http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/168402-overview" title="medscape.com" rel="nofollow">http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/168402-overview</a> [medscape.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kidney damage is not a given when using any of these antibiotics and death with intact kidneys is also erroneous because Gram negative Endotoxic shock ( or septic shock ) often results in kidney complications - DIC , immune complex mediated glomerulonephritis , renal sepsis , pre-renal failure culminating in ATN , bilateral cortical necrosis etc .
You end up dying of multiple organ failure - kidneys are one of these critical organs which fail .
Here 's a link : http : //emedicine.medscape.com/article/168402-overview [ medscape.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kidney damage is not a given when using any of these antibiotics and death with intact kidneys is also erroneous because Gram negative Endotoxic shock (or septic shock) often results in kidney complications - DIC, immune complex mediated glomerulonephritis, renal sepsis, pre-renal failure culminating in ATN, bilateral cortical necrosis etc.
You end up dying of multiple organ failure - kidneys are one of these critical organs which fail.
Here's a link: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/168402-overview [medscape.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309236</id>
	<title>Hand Sanitizer</title>
	<author>TwiztidK</author>
	<datestamp>1267355040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I knew it was bad when hand sanitizer started popping up all over the place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew it was bad when hand sanitizer started popping up all over the place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew it was bad when hand sanitizer started popping up all over the place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312540</id>
	<title>Will someone tell the developing world?</title>
	<author>popo</author>
	<datestamp>1267386120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever been to Mexico?  Brazil?  Ecuador?  Thailand?  Vietnam?  India?</p><p>Walk into any pharmacy.  Tell them you've got a little bit of a sore throat.  30 seconds later you're walking out of the pharmacy with a package of antibiotics.</p><p>What's worse, is that you get none of the precautionary questions/warnings regarding side effects, possible allergies to antibiotics, instructions to take the whole package, etc.</p><p>*This* is where the problem lies.  My experience with US and European antibiotics prescriptions has been that there actually is a decent amount of responsibility on the part of prescribers.   In other places however, antibiotics are uncontrolled, very cheap, and very very easy to get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever been to Mexico ?
Brazil ? Ecuador ?
Thailand ? Vietnam ?
India ? Walk into any pharmacy .
Tell them you 've got a little bit of a sore throat .
30 seconds later you 're walking out of the pharmacy with a package of antibiotics.What 's worse , is that you get none of the precautionary questions/warnings regarding side effects , possible allergies to antibiotics , instructions to take the whole package , etc .
* This * is where the problem lies .
My experience with US and European antibiotics prescriptions has been that there actually is a decent amount of responsibility on the part of prescribers .
In other places however , antibiotics are uncontrolled , very cheap , and very very easy to get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever been to Mexico?
Brazil?  Ecuador?
Thailand?  Vietnam?
India?Walk into any pharmacy.
Tell them you've got a little bit of a sore throat.
30 seconds later you're walking out of the pharmacy with a package of antibiotics.What's worse, is that you get none of the precautionary questions/warnings regarding side effects, possible allergies to antibiotics, instructions to take the whole package, etc.
*This* is where the problem lies.
My experience with US and European antibiotics prescriptions has been that there actually is a decent amount of responsibility on the part of prescribers.
In other places however, antibiotics are uncontrolled, very cheap, and very very easy to get.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309380</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly. Is the idea of world without diseases (never mind getting the medicine to all people) a utopia that will never get reached?</p></div><p>Arrogance, hubris.  (Of which, scientists have a healthy dose).  To think that we can outsmart nature.  Hah!  (I guess the Odysseus myth taught us nothing.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly .
Is the idea of world without diseases ( never mind getting the medicine to all people ) a utopia that will never get reached ? Arrogance , hubris .
( Of which , scientists have a healthy dose ) .
To think that we can outsmart nature .
Hah ! ( I guess the Odysseus myth taught us nothing .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly.
Is the idea of world without diseases (never mind getting the medicine to all people) a utopia that will never get reached?Arrogance, hubris.
(Of which, scientists have a healthy dose).
To think that we can outsmart nature.
Hah!  (I guess the Odysseus myth taught us nothing.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310502</id>
	<title>Stop blindly proscribing antibiotics</title>
	<author>Bhrian</author>
	<datestamp>1267364160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>When visiting a doctor for a sinus infection, he said that in India they would take a swab from my nose, determine in a few minutes with a microscope what bacteria was bothering me, and give me a specific antibiotic that was known to work well.
<br> <br>
In the USA, he said insurance tells them to just proscribe an antibiotic and if it doesn't work, they'll come back.  The ten minutes of lab work isn't covered by insurance, so they don't do it.  I asked if I could pay cash for the test with the microscope, but he refused and said he'd get in trouble.
<br> <br>
Most doctors follow insurance rules, worry about liability, and treat symptoms, in that order.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When visiting a doctor for a sinus infection , he said that in India they would take a swab from my nose , determine in a few minutes with a microscope what bacteria was bothering me , and give me a specific antibiotic that was known to work well .
In the USA , he said insurance tells them to just proscribe an antibiotic and if it does n't work , they 'll come back .
The ten minutes of lab work is n't covered by insurance , so they do n't do it .
I asked if I could pay cash for the test with the microscope , but he refused and said he 'd get in trouble .
Most doctors follow insurance rules , worry about liability , and treat symptoms , in that order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When visiting a doctor for a sinus infection, he said that in India they would take a swab from my nose, determine in a few minutes with a microscope what bacteria was bothering me, and give me a specific antibiotic that was known to work well.
In the USA, he said insurance tells them to just proscribe an antibiotic and if it doesn't work, they'll come back.
The ten minutes of lab work isn't covered by insurance, so they don't do it.
I asked if I could pay cash for the test with the microscope, but he refused and said he'd get in trouble.
Most doctors follow insurance rules, worry about liability, and treat symptoms, in that order.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311060</id>
	<title>More antibiotic R&amp;D needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267369140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Increasing resistance to antibiotic drugs is a problem that needs more government intervention.</p><p>Big pharma doesn't like developing new antibiotics. There is no money in it.</p><p>They sell very poorly as they are only used when the dirt cheap generic antibiotics don't work.<br>Any new antibiotic with a novel method of action is going to have next to no sales from being reserved for life and death cases to prevent resistance.<br>This leads to a high cost per dose, which means it gets a rough ride trying to pass any cost effectiveness tests by governments assessing $/per life saved. Especially if it is also narrow spectrum or choc full of side effects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Increasing resistance to antibiotic drugs is a problem that needs more government intervention.Big pharma does n't like developing new antibiotics .
There is no money in it.They sell very poorly as they are only used when the dirt cheap generic antibiotics do n't work.Any new antibiotic with a novel method of action is going to have next to no sales from being reserved for life and death cases to prevent resistance.This leads to a high cost per dose , which means it gets a rough ride trying to pass any cost effectiveness tests by governments assessing $ /per life saved .
Especially if it is also narrow spectrum or choc full of side effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Increasing resistance to antibiotic drugs is a problem that needs more government intervention.Big pharma doesn't like developing new antibiotics.
There is no money in it.They sell very poorly as they are only used when the dirt cheap generic antibiotics don't work.Any new antibiotic with a novel method of action is going to have next to no sales from being reserved for life and death cases to prevent resistance.This leads to a high cost per dose, which means it gets a rough ride trying to pass any cost effectiveness tests by governments assessing $/per life saved.
Especially if it is also narrow spectrum or choc full of side effects.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309384</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>damn right! I'd rather be pumping all those antibiotics into myself to combat chronic bacterial lung infections.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>damn right !
I 'd rather be pumping all those antibiotics into myself to combat chronic bacterial lung infections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>damn right!
I'd rather be pumping all those antibiotics into myself to combat chronic bacterial lung infections.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309746</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1267359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most medical antibiotics are based on naturally-occuring antibiotics found in soil organisms.  Of course, as these organisms evolved the antibiotics the bacteria around them co-evolved defenses.  This means that for most antibiotics there are bacteria around that have genes that make them resistant.  Since bacteria trade their genes around it's only a matter of time until the resistance genes find their way into disease organisms.  Hospitals contain concentrations of people being treated with antibiotics and so that is where the resistant disease organisms tend to appear.</p><p>We need antibiotics based on novel modes of action not found in nature, but these are hard to develop.  The ability to sequence the genes of bacteria as well as the ability to synthesize proteins with predictable characteristics will help.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most medical antibiotics are based on naturally-occuring antibiotics found in soil organisms .
Of course , as these organisms evolved the antibiotics the bacteria around them co-evolved defenses .
This means that for most antibiotics there are bacteria around that have genes that make them resistant .
Since bacteria trade their genes around it 's only a matter of time until the resistance genes find their way into disease organisms .
Hospitals contain concentrations of people being treated with antibiotics and so that is where the resistant disease organisms tend to appear.We need antibiotics based on novel modes of action not found in nature , but these are hard to develop .
The ability to sequence the genes of bacteria as well as the ability to synthesize proteins with predictable characteristics will help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most medical antibiotics are based on naturally-occuring antibiotics found in soil organisms.
Of course, as these organisms evolved the antibiotics the bacteria around them co-evolved defenses.
This means that for most antibiotics there are bacteria around that have genes that make them resistant.
Since bacteria trade their genes around it's only a matter of time until the resistance genes find their way into disease organisms.
Hospitals contain concentrations of people being treated with antibiotics and so that is where the resistant disease organisms tend to appear.We need antibiotics based on novel modes of action not found in nature, but these are hard to develop.
The ability to sequence the genes of bacteria as well as the ability to synthesize proteins with predictable characteristics will help.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310496</id>
	<title>Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267364040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My family raises cattle on a farm in Iowa.  Speaking from our experience, I'll tell you that putting a pound of meat on a steer takes in the neighborhood of ten pounds of feed -- and much more than that, if you're feeding them exclusively grasses (including hay).</p><p>So.  Take a hundred head of cattle and turn them loose on a hundred acres of land.  These animals are still growing (since, when they're ready for the slaughterhouse, well... they get taken to the slaughterhouse).  If we want to put a hundred pounds on each steer, then that means each steer needs half a ton of feed.</p><p>Good luck getting 50 tons of grass from a hundred acres of land.  It's not going to happen.  The farmer has two choices at this point: raise fewer cattle (and thus raise meat prices for the consumer), or convert some of the cornfields into pasture (and thus raise grain prices for the consumer).</p><p>Either way you're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs.  You won't inconvenience the rich: the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef.  After all, they're rich.</p><p>But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.</p><p>The name of the game in modern farming is efficiency.  Reducing prices is the overall goal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My family raises cattle on a farm in Iowa .
Speaking from our experience , I 'll tell you that putting a pound of meat on a steer takes in the neighborhood of ten pounds of feed -- and much more than that , if you 're feeding them exclusively grasses ( including hay ) .So .
Take a hundred head of cattle and turn them loose on a hundred acres of land .
These animals are still growing ( since , when they 're ready for the slaughterhouse , well... they get taken to the slaughterhouse ) .
If we want to put a hundred pounds on each steer , then that means each steer needs half a ton of feed.Good luck getting 50 tons of grass from a hundred acres of land .
It 's not going to happen .
The farmer has two choices at this point : raise fewer cattle ( and thus raise meat prices for the consumer ) , or convert some of the cornfields into pasture ( and thus raise grain prices for the consumer ) .Either way you 're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs .
You wo n't inconvenience the rich : the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef .
After all , they 're rich.But the elderly , who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.The name of the game in modern farming is efficiency .
Reducing prices is the overall goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My family raises cattle on a farm in Iowa.
Speaking from our experience, I'll tell you that putting a pound of meat on a steer takes in the neighborhood of ten pounds of feed -- and much more than that, if you're feeding them exclusively grasses (including hay).So.
Take a hundred head of cattle and turn them loose on a hundred acres of land.
These animals are still growing (since, when they're ready for the slaughterhouse, well... they get taken to the slaughterhouse).
If we want to put a hundred pounds on each steer, then that means each steer needs half a ton of feed.Good luck getting 50 tons of grass from a hundred acres of land.
It's not going to happen.
The farmer has two choices at this point: raise fewer cattle (and thus raise meat prices for the consumer), or convert some of the cornfields into pasture (and thus raise grain prices for the consumer).Either way you're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs.
You won't inconvenience the rich: the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef.
After all, they're rich.But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.The name of the game in modern farming is efficiency.
Reducing prices is the overall goal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310600</id>
	<title>Re:Party like it's 1899</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267365060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice try, but the experiment has already been done, and it doesn't work that way. There were bacteria that were resistant to a specific antibiotic, and that antibiotic was off the market for many years. When they went back and checked, the bacteria was still resistant. Further testing revealed that in addition to the resistance mutation (which reduced fitness), they had acquired a second mutation that restored the bacteria to near wild type fitness. Now resistance is locked in by requiring 2 mutations to get back to the original genotype. Oh well, it sounded good on paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice try , but the experiment has already been done , and it does n't work that way .
There were bacteria that were resistant to a specific antibiotic , and that antibiotic was off the market for many years .
When they went back and checked , the bacteria was still resistant .
Further testing revealed that in addition to the resistance mutation ( which reduced fitness ) , they had acquired a second mutation that restored the bacteria to near wild type fitness .
Now resistance is locked in by requiring 2 mutations to get back to the original genotype .
Oh well , it sounded good on paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice try, but the experiment has already been done, and it doesn't work that way.
There were bacteria that were resistant to a specific antibiotic, and that antibiotic was off the market for many years.
When they went back and checked, the bacteria was still resistant.
Further testing revealed that in addition to the resistance mutation (which reduced fitness), they had acquired a second mutation that restored the bacteria to near wild type fitness.
Now resistance is locked in by requiring 2 mutations to get back to the original genotype.
Oh well, it sounded good on paper.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31313558</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>binkzz</author>
	<datestamp>1267440660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The name of the game in <b>american</b> farming is efficiency.  Reducing prices is the overall goal.</p></div><p>Here in Holland at least 90\% of cattle are fed grasses, not corn. And we're at least 20 times more densely populated than America.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The name of the game in american farming is efficiency .
Reducing prices is the overall goal.Here in Holland at least 90 \ % of cattle are fed grasses , not corn .
And we 're at least 20 times more densely populated than America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The name of the game in american farming is efficiency.
Reducing prices is the overall goal.Here in Holland at least 90\% of cattle are fed grasses, not corn.
And we're at least 20 times more densely populated than America.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310778</id>
	<title>Do you really want to know the answer?</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1267366740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Story A - Every pharm company wanting to make a buck has pushed antibiotics into every nook and cranny, eventually creating strains of resistant bacteria.</p><p>Story B - An secret organization, funded by \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ has developed resistant strains to maintain and control \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, and in some cases even \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.</p><p>Nope, I really don't want to know the real story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Story A - Every pharm company wanting to make a buck has pushed antibiotics into every nook and cranny , eventually creating strains of resistant bacteria.Story B - An secret organization , funded by \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ has developed resistant strains to maintain and control \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ , and in some cases even \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _.Nope , I really do n't want to know the real story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Story A - Every pharm company wanting to make a buck has pushed antibiotics into every nook and cranny, eventually creating strains of resistant bacteria.Story B - An secret organization, funded by \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ has developed resistant strains to maintain and control \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, and in some cases even \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.Nope, I really don't want to know the real story.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310408</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks</title>
	<author>HForN</author>
	<datestamp>1267363500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be fair, some physicians tend to overprescribe antibiotics for fear of being sued in a malpractice suit. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive\_medicine" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Defensive Medicine</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , some physicians tend to overprescribe antibiotics for fear of being sued in a malpractice suit .
Defensive Medicine [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, some physicians tend to overprescribe antibiotics for fear of being sued in a malpractice suit.
Defensive Medicine [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309432</id>
	<title>Not A Problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just add "human kidneys" to the Wal-Mart shipments from<br>China.</p><p>Yours In Riga,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just add " human kidneys " to the Wal-Mart shipments fromChina.Yours In Riga,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just add "human kidneys" to the Wal-Mart shipments fromChina.Yours In Riga,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310290</id>
	<title>Can't be. Evolution is a Godless liberal myth.</title>
	<author>EWAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1267362480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hope that the people who get these diseases are all creationists. Don't believe in evolution? Don't want it taught to children? Have a taste of it, asshole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope that the people who get these diseases are all creationists .
Do n't believe in evolution ?
Do n't want it taught to children ?
Have a taste of it , asshole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope that the people who get these diseases are all creationists.
Don't believe in evolution?
Don't want it taught to children?
Have a taste of it, asshole.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311146</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267369740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; trumpted only by homiopaths.</p><p>You are retardited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; trumpted only by homiopaths.You are retardited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; trumpted only by homiopaths.You are retardited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31314324</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Docs with No Backbone or Are Just Plain L</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In some ways this is one of the unintended consequences of patient choice.</p><p>If a Doctor wants to keep his patients, he/she not only has to provide high quality-medical care, but also the perception of high-quality medical care. Are you going to tell your friends about the doctor who sent you home telling you to drink plenty of fluids and tough it out, or the one that prescribed you a bottle of pills and sent you out for additional tests "just to be on the safe side".</p><p>Plus, no Doctor ever got sued for prescribing antibiotics that wern't needed.The converse isn't true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In some ways this is one of the unintended consequences of patient choice.If a Doctor wants to keep his patients , he/she not only has to provide high quality-medical care , but also the perception of high-quality medical care .
Are you going to tell your friends about the doctor who sent you home telling you to drink plenty of fluids and tough it out , or the one that prescribed you a bottle of pills and sent you out for additional tests " just to be on the safe side " .Plus , no Doctor ever got sued for prescribing antibiotics that wer n't needed.The converse is n't true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some ways this is one of the unintended consequences of patient choice.If a Doctor wants to keep his patients, he/she not only has to provide high quality-medical care, but also the perception of high-quality medical care.
Are you going to tell your friends about the doctor who sent you home telling you to drink plenty of fluids and tough it out, or the one that prescribed you a bottle of pills and sent you out for additional tests "just to be on the safe side".Plus, no Doctor ever got sued for prescribing antibiotics that wern't needed.The converse isn't true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310704</id>
	<title>Nanobots to the rescue</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1267366140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question I have is, how quickly can we either build nanobots that can be programmed to attack these infections, or else develop custom tailored viruses that target them?  In other words, are antibiotics the only way to attack infection, or might we be able to develop other weapons to use against them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question I have is , how quickly can we either build nanobots that can be programmed to attack these infections , or else develop custom tailored viruses that target them ?
In other words , are antibiotics the only way to attack infection , or might we be able to develop other weapons to use against them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question I have is, how quickly can we either build nanobots that can be programmed to attack these infections, or else develop custom tailored viruses that target them?
In other words, are antibiotics the only way to attack infection, or might we be able to develop other weapons to use against them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309244</id>
	<title>Blame Docs with No Backbone or Are Just Plain Lazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the soccer moms as well who scream for antibiotics for everything from the common cold to a skinned knee.</p><p>These prescriptions are thrown around like candy whether they are warranted or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the soccer moms as well who scream for antibiotics for everything from the common cold to a skinned knee.These prescriptions are thrown around like candy whether they are warranted or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the soccer moms as well who scream for antibiotics for everything from the common cold to a skinned knee.These prescriptions are thrown around like candy whether they are warranted or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309334</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without disease? Probably (for one thing, life extension means that we keep finding fun new aging related problems). But that's okay when you consider that things like small pox and polio are largely solved problems, and that bacterial infections are still usually not lethal (even severe ones).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without disease ?
Probably ( for one thing , life extension means that we keep finding fun new aging related problems ) .
But that 's okay when you consider that things like small pox and polio are largely solved problems , and that bacterial infections are still usually not lethal ( even severe ones ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without disease?
Probably (for one thing, life extension means that we keep finding fun new aging related problems).
But that's okay when you consider that things like small pox and polio are largely solved problems, and that bacterial infections are still usually not lethal (even severe ones).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309642</id>
	<title>Any medical doctors reading?</title>
	<author>RichardJenkins</author>
	<datestamp>1267358340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's possible to donate a kidney, and possible to remove a kidney intact, and possible to keep someone going with dialysis for a while, can they not develop a procedure to temporarily remove kidneys if the patient is going to have treatment that would damage them?</p><p>Prohibitive code? Difficulty keeping the organ alive outside of the body? Risks of surgery whilst infected?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's possible to donate a kidney , and possible to remove a kidney intact , and possible to keep someone going with dialysis for a while , can they not develop a procedure to temporarily remove kidneys if the patient is going to have treatment that would damage them ? Prohibitive code ?
Difficulty keeping the organ alive outside of the body ?
Risks of surgery whilst infected ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's possible to donate a kidney, and possible to remove a kidney intact, and possible to keep someone going with dialysis for a while, can they not develop a procedure to temporarily remove kidneys if the patient is going to have treatment that would damage them?Prohibitive code?
Difficulty keeping the organ alive outside of the body?
Risks of surgery whilst infected?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310510</id>
	<title>Re:Death with intact kidneys</title>
	<author>Temkin</author>
	<datestamp>1267364280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure you weren't thinking "intact liver"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure you were n't thinking " intact liver " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure you weren't thinking "intact liver"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309220</id>
	<title>Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267354920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly. Is the idea of world without diseases (never mind getting the medicine to all people) a utopia that will never get reached?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly .
Is the idea of world without diseases ( never mind getting the medicine to all people ) a utopia that will never get reached ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly.
Is the idea of world without diseases (never mind getting the medicine to all people) a utopia that will never get reached?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310324</id>
	<title>Re:Party like it's 1899</title>
	<author>arcade</author>
	<datestamp>1267362720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, a few weeks/months is enough.</p><p>Give it a year without prescribing antibiotics for anything but the most severe cases, and all the nice little antibiotics are effective again.</p><p>Google for 'norway antibiotics'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..  ( <a href="http://www.fftimes.com/node/229972" title="fftimes.com">http://www.fftimes.com/node/229972</a> [fftimes.com] )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a few weeks/months is enough.Give it a year without prescribing antibiotics for anything but the most severe cases , and all the nice little antibiotics are effective again.Google for 'norway antibiotics ' .. ( http : //www.fftimes.com/node/229972 [ fftimes.com ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a few weeks/months is enough.Give it a year without prescribing antibiotics for anything but the most severe cases, and all the nice little antibiotics are effective again.Google for 'norway antibiotics' ..  ( http://www.fftimes.com/node/229972 [fftimes.com] )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309554</id>
	<title>Then that leaves us with only one other solution..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267357680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We must burn the hospital rooms with fire to kill all diseases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We must burn the hospital rooms with fire to kill all diseases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We must burn the hospital rooms with fire to kill all diseases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312100</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>rastoboy29</author>
	<datestamp>1267380300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>And how is this worth creating antibiotic resistent bacteria?<br><br>If you're dead due to some crazy bacteriological infection, you cannot enjoy cheap beef.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how is this worth creating antibiotic resistent bacteria ? If you 're dead due to some crazy bacteriological infection , you can not enjoy cheap beef .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how is this worth creating antibiotic resistent bacteria?If you're dead due to some crazy bacteriological infection, you cannot enjoy cheap beef.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310346</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267362900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They wouldn't need to use antibiotics on our cattle if we just fed them grasses instead of corn feed.</p></div><p>For uninformed me, think you could you provide something to back that up?  I've heard the problems of corn fed beef a lot from the natural-foodie crowd, but it has been my experience with them that most of their claims are a varied mixture of good practices and nonsensical food woo, and I really haven't seen much in the way of exceptionally good science backing that claim up yet.  Not being antagonistic, it may very well be true, but what about one grass is better than the other grass?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They would n't need to use antibiotics on our cattle if we just fed them grasses instead of corn feed.For uninformed me , think you could you provide something to back that up ?
I 've heard the problems of corn fed beef a lot from the natural-foodie crowd , but it has been my experience with them that most of their claims are a varied mixture of good practices and nonsensical food woo , and I really have n't seen much in the way of exceptionally good science backing that claim up yet .
Not being antagonistic , it may very well be true , but what about one grass is better than the other grass ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They wouldn't need to use antibiotics on our cattle if we just fed them grasses instead of corn feed.For uninformed me, think you could you provide something to back that up?
I've heard the problems of corn fed beef a lot from the natural-foodie crowd, but it has been my experience with them that most of their claims are a varied mixture of good practices and nonsensical food woo, and I really haven't seen much in the way of exceptionally good science backing that claim up yet.
Not being antagonistic, it may very well be true, but what about one grass is better than the other grass?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310164</id>
	<title>Re:The slashdot post is kinda funny...</title>
	<author>BigDukeSix</author>
	<datestamp>1267361640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>While TFS is indeed inflammatory, your post is factually incorrect.  Specifically, gram negative bacteria are very much more virulent than gram positive bacteria (or, for that matter, organisms that don't gram stain at all).  The gram negatives are the only class of bacteria that express lipopolysaccharide endotoxin.  The human immune system has specific receptors (like CD14) for this toxin, resulting in an extreme inflammatory response which is the pre-death phenomenon called 'sepsis'. <br> <br>

We saw these pathogens emerge in our ICU three years ago and have been using colistin.  The side effects are real but not nearly as common with modern supportive care as they were 40 years ago.  Which is good, because when the colistin quits working, well, your patient is dead.  Currently these pathogens only emerge after many weeks of critical illness and multiple runs of strong intravenous antibiotics.<br> <br>

We go through fairly draconian measures to limit any spread of these organisms, which so far seem to work.  Negative pressure rooms, isolation gowns and masks for simply entering the room, disposable stethoscopes, etc. all help.  Rooms and gear are disinfected by two different individuals so that personal tendencies don't allow transmission.  And we wash our hands.  A lot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While TFS is indeed inflammatory , your post is factually incorrect .
Specifically , gram negative bacteria are very much more virulent than gram positive bacteria ( or , for that matter , organisms that do n't gram stain at all ) .
The gram negatives are the only class of bacteria that express lipopolysaccharide endotoxin .
The human immune system has specific receptors ( like CD14 ) for this toxin , resulting in an extreme inflammatory response which is the pre-death phenomenon called 'sepsis' .
We saw these pathogens emerge in our ICU three years ago and have been using colistin .
The side effects are real but not nearly as common with modern supportive care as they were 40 years ago .
Which is good , because when the colistin quits working , well , your patient is dead .
Currently these pathogens only emerge after many weeks of critical illness and multiple runs of strong intravenous antibiotics .
We go through fairly draconian measures to limit any spread of these organisms , which so far seem to work .
Negative pressure rooms , isolation gowns and masks for simply entering the room , disposable stethoscopes , etc .
all help .
Rooms and gear are disinfected by two different individuals so that personal tendencies do n't allow transmission .
And we wash our hands .
A lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While TFS is indeed inflammatory, your post is factually incorrect.
Specifically, gram negative bacteria are very much more virulent than gram positive bacteria (or, for that matter, organisms that don't gram stain at all).
The gram negatives are the only class of bacteria that express lipopolysaccharide endotoxin.
The human immune system has specific receptors (like CD14) for this toxin, resulting in an extreme inflammatory response which is the pre-death phenomenon called 'sepsis'.
We saw these pathogens emerge in our ICU three years ago and have been using colistin.
The side effects are real but not nearly as common with modern supportive care as they were 40 years ago.
Which is good, because when the colistin quits working, well, your patient is dead.
Currently these pathogens only emerge after many weeks of critical illness and multiple runs of strong intravenous antibiotics.
We go through fairly draconian measures to limit any spread of these organisms, which so far seem to work.
Negative pressure rooms, isolation gowns and masks for simply entering the room, disposable stethoscopes, etc.
all help.
Rooms and gear are disinfected by two different individuals so that personal tendencies don't allow transmission.
And we wash our hands.
A lot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312290</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1267383180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Either way you're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs. You won't inconvenience the rich: the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef. After all, they're rich.</p></div><p>I've known for years that meat is the most inefficient food out there.   If we've been taking risks with public health to prop up the economics of it to make it affordable to people like me, then that's really terrible.  I also know the limits of my willpower.  Realistically, I wouldn't be able to not buy meat if I can afford it, even knowing that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either way you 're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs .
You wo n't inconvenience the rich : the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef .
After all , they 're rich.I 've known for years that meat is the most inefficient food out there .
If we 've been taking risks with public health to prop up the economics of it to make it affordable to people like me , then that 's really terrible .
I also know the limits of my willpower .
Realistically , I would n't be able to not buy meat if I can afford it , even knowing that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either way you're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs.
You won't inconvenience the rich: the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef.
After all, they're rich.I've known for years that meat is the most inefficient food out there.
If we've been taking risks with public health to prop up the economics of it to make it affordable to people like me, then that's really terrible.
I also know the limits of my willpower.
Realistically, I wouldn't be able to not buy meat if I can afford it, even knowing that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310996</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>rmcd</author>
	<datestamp>1267368660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for posting and bringing some real world experience to the disussion. I'd like to bring a little economics into play.</p><p>There is a serious externality associated with widespread antibiotic use. Antibiotics are underpriced because the price does not take into account the systemic effects, which includes the creation of deadly antibiotic resistant bacteria. So we really need to raise the price of antibiotics. This includes antibiotics used to treat ear infections (which are probably overtreated) and those fed to cattle. We all need to be paying a price that incorporates our effect on others.</p><p>You're right that this raises the price of beef for everyone. But it should be higher. And the fact is that for better or worse we routinely impose taxes on the poor. We tax the hell out of cigarettes. The poor are disproportionately smokers. We tax alcohol heavily. Ditto with respect to drinking. If we raise the price of antibiotics we will reduce consumption of beef. You will be free to continue using expensive antibiotics on your farm and you will be able to sell your beef for a higher price. But in the aggregate there will be less beef produced and consumed. And maybe we'll avoid widespread deaths from killer bacteria.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for posting and bringing some real world experience to the disussion .
I 'd like to bring a little economics into play.There is a serious externality associated with widespread antibiotic use .
Antibiotics are underpriced because the price does not take into account the systemic effects , which includes the creation of deadly antibiotic resistant bacteria .
So we really need to raise the price of antibiotics .
This includes antibiotics used to treat ear infections ( which are probably overtreated ) and those fed to cattle .
We all need to be paying a price that incorporates our effect on others.You 're right that this raises the price of beef for everyone .
But it should be higher .
And the fact is that for better or worse we routinely impose taxes on the poor .
We tax the hell out of cigarettes .
The poor are disproportionately smokers .
We tax alcohol heavily .
Ditto with respect to drinking .
If we raise the price of antibiotics we will reduce consumption of beef .
You will be free to continue using expensive antibiotics on your farm and you will be able to sell your beef for a higher price .
But in the aggregate there will be less beef produced and consumed .
And maybe we 'll avoid widespread deaths from killer bacteria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for posting and bringing some real world experience to the disussion.
I'd like to bring a little economics into play.There is a serious externality associated with widespread antibiotic use.
Antibiotics are underpriced because the price does not take into account the systemic effects, which includes the creation of deadly antibiotic resistant bacteria.
So we really need to raise the price of antibiotics.
This includes antibiotics used to treat ear infections (which are probably overtreated) and those fed to cattle.
We all need to be paying a price that incorporates our effect on others.You're right that this raises the price of beef for everyone.
But it should be higher.
And the fact is that for better or worse we routinely impose taxes on the poor.
We tax the hell out of cigarettes.
The poor are disproportionately smokers.
We tax alcohol heavily.
Ditto with respect to drinking.
If we raise the price of antibiotics we will reduce consumption of beef.
You will be free to continue using expensive antibiotics on your farm and you will be able to sell your beef for a higher price.
But in the aggregate there will be less beef produced and consumed.
And maybe we'll avoid widespread deaths from killer bacteria.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309404</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too late I'm afraid.  We took what was probably our greatest weapon in the fight against bacterial infection and wasted it creating cheaper hamburgers and more flavourless chicken.  Well that and some nice placebos for the common cold.  Yay us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too late I 'm afraid .
We took what was probably our greatest weapon in the fight against bacterial infection and wasted it creating cheaper hamburgers and more flavourless chicken .
Well that and some nice placebos for the common cold .
Yay us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too late I'm afraid.
We took what was probably our greatest weapon in the fight against bacterial infection and wasted it creating cheaper hamburgers and more flavourless chicken.
Well that and some nice placebos for the common cold.
Yay us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311040</id>
	<title>That's easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267368960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd rather be alive and have to eat a few more veggies than dead with a colon full of meat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather be alive and have to eat a few more veggies than dead with a colon full of meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather be alive and have to eat a few more veggies than dead with a colon full of meat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309418</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They wouldn't need to use antibiotics on our cattle if we just fed them grasses instead of corn feed.</p><p>Unfortunately corn feed and antibiotics is cheaper than feeding them grasses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They would n't need to use antibiotics on our cattle if we just fed them grasses instead of corn feed.Unfortunately corn feed and antibiotics is cheaper than feeding them grasses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They wouldn't need to use antibiotics on our cattle if we just fed them grasses instead of corn feed.Unfortunately corn feed and antibiotics is cheaper than feeding them grasses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309208</id>
	<title>Thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267354860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great. A big thank-you to all the knee-jerk antibiotics prescribers and disinfectant abusers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great .
A big thank-you to all the knee-jerk antibiotics prescribers and disinfectant abusers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great.
A big thank-you to all the knee-jerk antibiotics prescribers and disinfectant abusers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310102</id>
	<title>Re:Kidney Transplant Time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267361280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would probably work better to just develop a way to grow a new kidney.  The science to do so is coming past the theory stage to the first attempts stages so it probably won't be that far away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would probably work better to just develop a way to grow a new kidney .
The science to do so is coming past the theory stage to the first attempts stages so it probably wo n't be that far away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would probably work better to just develop a way to grow a new kidney.
The science to do so is coming past the theory stage to the first attempts stages so it probably won't be that far away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312366</id>
	<title>duct tape and plastic?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267384080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I still have my duct tape and plastic from the anthrax scare. Is it time to go wrap up the house?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I still have my duct tape and plastic from the anthrax scare .
Is it time to go wrap up the house ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I still have my duct tape and plastic from the anthrax scare.
Is it time to go wrap up the house?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31316618</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks</title>
	<author>Hodr</author>
	<datestamp>1267460940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guy I share a cube with definately falls under this discription.  He sprays a can of lysol per day around the cube and office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy I share a cube with definately falls under this discription .
He sprays a can of lysol per day around the cube and office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy I share a cube with definately falls under this discription.
He sprays a can of lysol per day around the cube and office.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310752</id>
	<title>Re:It just occured to me</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1267366560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many of the available antibiotics, with the exception of relatively new ones such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linezolid" title="wikipedia.org">linezolid</a> [wikipedia.org], are actually no longer protected by patents; so I doubt that substantial patent portfolios in antibiotic drugs and the desire to preserve "profitable" antibiotics have much, if any, effect on the pace of new development. Most drug companies would love to have a new antibiotic, provided that it could be developed for the right price and that, IMHO, is the real problem. Antibiotics, like all new drugs, are expensive to develop and are ultimately <i>less</i> profitable than the so called "lifestyle drugs" which people must take on a regular basis for the remainder of their lives. Given the choice between spending precious R&amp;D dollars on "lifestyle drugs" or new antibiotics, most drug companies are probably going to choose the "lifestyle drugs". Now, this does not mean that there are zero efforts on new antibiotics by the drug companies, who are constantly testing new compounds anyway; they might even stumble upon a novel new antibiotic, in which case it <i>will</i> be developed and marketed. However, they probably are not focusing their research as much in that general direction which makes discovery of new antibiotics while researching new "lifestyle drugs" somewhat less probable IMHO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of the available antibiotics , with the exception of relatively new ones such as linezolid [ wikipedia.org ] , are actually no longer protected by patents ; so I doubt that substantial patent portfolios in antibiotic drugs and the desire to preserve " profitable " antibiotics have much , if any , effect on the pace of new development .
Most drug companies would love to have a new antibiotic , provided that it could be developed for the right price and that , IMHO , is the real problem .
Antibiotics , like all new drugs , are expensive to develop and are ultimately less profitable than the so called " lifestyle drugs " which people must take on a regular basis for the remainder of their lives .
Given the choice between spending precious R&amp;D dollars on " lifestyle drugs " or new antibiotics , most drug companies are probably going to choose the " lifestyle drugs " .
Now , this does not mean that there are zero efforts on new antibiotics by the drug companies , who are constantly testing new compounds anyway ; they might even stumble upon a novel new antibiotic , in which case it will be developed and marketed .
However , they probably are not focusing their research as much in that general direction which makes discovery of new antibiotics while researching new " lifestyle drugs " somewhat less probable IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of the available antibiotics, with the exception of relatively new ones such as linezolid [wikipedia.org], are actually no longer protected by patents; so I doubt that substantial patent portfolios in antibiotic drugs and the desire to preserve "profitable" antibiotics have much, if any, effect on the pace of new development.
Most drug companies would love to have a new antibiotic, provided that it could be developed for the right price and that, IMHO, is the real problem.
Antibiotics, like all new drugs, are expensive to develop and are ultimately less profitable than the so called "lifestyle drugs" which people must take on a regular basis for the remainder of their lives.
Given the choice between spending precious R&amp;D dollars on "lifestyle drugs" or new antibiotics, most drug companies are probably going to choose the "lifestyle drugs".
Now, this does not mean that there are zero efforts on new antibiotics by the drug companies, who are constantly testing new compounds anyway; they might even stumble upon a novel new antibiotic, in which case it will be developed and marketed.
However, they probably are not focusing their research as much in that general direction which makes discovery of new antibiotics while researching new "lifestyle drugs" somewhat less probable IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309604</id>
	<title>awww... now you've done it!</title>
	<author>novar21</author>
	<datestamp>1267358100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can we now run around and say omg! omg!omg I'm going to die!  When you post this stuff.  I mean just look at h1n1...err I guess that is a virus.  Never mind.  Ok, what about the poor bacteria we keep killing....err, k I'll stop now.  Too much sensationalism in the press is what will really kill us.  That and a lack of education.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can we now run around and say omg !
omg ! omg I 'm going to die !
When you post this stuff .
I mean just look at h1n1...err I guess that is a virus .
Never mind .
Ok , what about the poor bacteria we keep killing....err , k I 'll stop now .
Too much sensationalism in the press is what will really kill us .
That and a lack of education .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can we now run around and say omg!
omg!omg I'm going to die!
When you post this stuff.
I mean just look at h1n1...err I guess that is a virus.
Never mind.
Ok, what about the poor bacteria we keep killing....err, k I'll stop now.
Too much sensationalism in the press is what will really kill us.
That and a lack of education.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310468</id>
	<title>Re:Any medical doctors reading?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267363800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, I don't think that's possible for two reasons. Firstly, organs don't like being out of the body in a bucket of ice; most organs are useless after 24 hours (blood is a notable exception). Even if this problem were solved, I doubt many surgeons would be willing to perform what you propose. People who get these infections are really sick and often as a result have compromised kidney function. Many probably wouldn't survive the surgery. The best thing to do is monitor kidney function (with well defined tests such as BUN and creatinine) and try to balance the efficacy of the drug while limiting renal toxicity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , I do n't think that 's possible for two reasons .
Firstly , organs do n't like being out of the body in a bucket of ice ; most organs are useless after 24 hours ( blood is a notable exception ) .
Even if this problem were solved , I doubt many surgeons would be willing to perform what you propose .
People who get these infections are really sick and often as a result have compromised kidney function .
Many probably would n't survive the surgery .
The best thing to do is monitor kidney function ( with well defined tests such as BUN and creatinine ) and try to balance the efficacy of the drug while limiting renal toxicity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, I don't think that's possible for two reasons.
Firstly, organs don't like being out of the body in a bucket of ice; most organs are useless after 24 hours (blood is a notable exception).
Even if this problem were solved, I doubt many surgeons would be willing to perform what you propose.
People who get these infections are really sick and often as a result have compromised kidney function.
Many probably wouldn't survive the surgery.
The best thing to do is monitor kidney function (with well defined tests such as BUN and creatinine) and try to balance the efficacy of the drug while limiting renal toxicity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309354</id>
	<title>Life lesson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this, children, is why you always, <i>always</i> complete the full course of antibiotic treatment, even if you think the problem's cleared up half-way through. If you stop early you leave the small subset of bugs, not enough to cause a visible problem, that are the most resistant to the antibiotics. Lather rinse repeat a few times and you end up with bugs that laugh at antibiotics and proceed to run rampant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this , children , is why you always , always complete the full course of antibiotic treatment , even if you think the problem 's cleared up half-way through .
If you stop early you leave the small subset of bugs , not enough to cause a visible problem , that are the most resistant to the antibiotics .
Lather rinse repeat a few times and you end up with bugs that laugh at antibiotics and proceed to run rampant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this, children, is why you always, always complete the full course of antibiotic treatment, even if you think the problem's cleared up half-way through.
If you stop early you leave the small subset of bugs, not enough to cause a visible problem, that are the most resistant to the antibiotics.
Lather rinse repeat a few times and you end up with bugs that laugh at antibiotics and proceed to run rampant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31313784</id>
	<title>Re:Stop blindly proscribing antibiotics</title>
	<author>mukund</author>
	<datestamp>1267444080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When visiting a doctor for a sinus infection, he said that in India they would take a swab from my nose, determine in a few minutes with a microscope what bacteria was bothering me, and give me a specific antibiotic that was known to work well.</p></div><p>I'm in India.</p><p>Maybe what you say happens in some specific hospitals, but most general physicians aren't equipped with microscopes. No doctor who has prescribed antibiotics to me has ever checked a sample with a microscope in my lifetime. In fact, more than one doctor has prescribed antibiotics for just a day or two.</p><p>Last week, I went to a hospital with a second dog bite in 2 months. The doctor:</p><p>1. Didn't correctly categorize it as a category III dog bite (rabies is prevalent among street dogs in India, so dog bites need to be taken care of). They said it was category II though there was bleeding.</p><p>2. Wrongly said that I'd have immunity for 5 years from the set of rabies injections I had taken 1 month ago. She did not prescribe another round of anti-rabies shots, even though I told her no immunoglobin was administered the first time.</p><p>3. Prescribed paracetamol without asking me if I had any pain or trauma (I had zero pain).</p><p>4. Prescribed Amoxycillin (an antibiotic) for 2 days!</p><p>5. Amoxycillin contains pencillin. She did not bother to ask me if I was allergic to pencillin.</p><p>I went to see another doctor after that. He made sure I had a tetanus shot, asked me not to take the medicines (have the wound heal naturally), and to take another set of anti-rabies shots.</p><p>It doesn't appear to me there's a code of practice in India, which states that doctors should look under a microscope. There aren't even patient history records accessible to physicians (such as with the NHS in UK).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When visiting a doctor for a sinus infection , he said that in India they would take a swab from my nose , determine in a few minutes with a microscope what bacteria was bothering me , and give me a specific antibiotic that was known to work well.I 'm in India.Maybe what you say happens in some specific hospitals , but most general physicians are n't equipped with microscopes .
No doctor who has prescribed antibiotics to me has ever checked a sample with a microscope in my lifetime .
In fact , more than one doctor has prescribed antibiotics for just a day or two.Last week , I went to a hospital with a second dog bite in 2 months .
The doctor : 1 .
Did n't correctly categorize it as a category III dog bite ( rabies is prevalent among street dogs in India , so dog bites need to be taken care of ) .
They said it was category II though there was bleeding.2 .
Wrongly said that I 'd have immunity for 5 years from the set of rabies injections I had taken 1 month ago .
She did not prescribe another round of anti-rabies shots , even though I told her no immunoglobin was administered the first time.3 .
Prescribed paracetamol without asking me if I had any pain or trauma ( I had zero pain ) .4 .
Prescribed Amoxycillin ( an antibiotic ) for 2 days ! 5 .
Amoxycillin contains pencillin .
She did not bother to ask me if I was allergic to pencillin.I went to see another doctor after that .
He made sure I had a tetanus shot , asked me not to take the medicines ( have the wound heal naturally ) , and to take another set of anti-rabies shots.It does n't appear to me there 's a code of practice in India , which states that doctors should look under a microscope .
There are n't even patient history records accessible to physicians ( such as with the NHS in UK ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When visiting a doctor for a sinus infection, he said that in India they would take a swab from my nose, determine in a few minutes with a microscope what bacteria was bothering me, and give me a specific antibiotic that was known to work well.I'm in India.Maybe what you say happens in some specific hospitals, but most general physicians aren't equipped with microscopes.
No doctor who has prescribed antibiotics to me has ever checked a sample with a microscope in my lifetime.
In fact, more than one doctor has prescribed antibiotics for just a day or two.Last week, I went to a hospital with a second dog bite in 2 months.
The doctor:1.
Didn't correctly categorize it as a category III dog bite (rabies is prevalent among street dogs in India, so dog bites need to be taken care of).
They said it was category II though there was bleeding.2.
Wrongly said that I'd have immunity for 5 years from the set of rabies injections I had taken 1 month ago.
She did not prescribe another round of anti-rabies shots, even though I told her no immunoglobin was administered the first time.3.
Prescribed paracetamol without asking me if I had any pain or trauma (I had zero pain).4.
Prescribed Amoxycillin (an antibiotic) for 2 days!5.
Amoxycillin contains pencillin.
She did not bother to ask me if I was allergic to pencillin.I went to see another doctor after that.
He made sure I had a tetanus shot, asked me not to take the medicines (have the wound heal naturally), and to take another set of anti-rabies shots.It doesn't appear to me there's a code of practice in India, which states that doctors should look under a microscope.
There aren't even patient history records accessible to physicians (such as with the NHS in UK).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310172</id>
	<title>not death</title>
	<author>ravenspear</author>
	<datestamp>1267361640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Infection with these new strains typically means death for the patient."</i> <br> <br>

I'm not sure where this comes from. The article says that typically the patient only dies if they have a weak immune system. It even gives an example of a (supposedly healthy) news correspondent who chose to forego treatment to save her kidneys and eventually recovered.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Infection with these new strains typically means death for the patient .
" I 'm not sure where this comes from .
The article says that typically the patient only dies if they have a weak immune system .
It even gives an example of a ( supposedly healthy ) news correspondent who chose to forego treatment to save her kidneys and eventually recovered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Infection with these new strains typically means death for the patient.
"  

I'm not sure where this comes from.
The article says that typically the patient only dies if they have a weak immune system.
It even gives an example of a (supposedly healthy) news correspondent who chose to forego treatment to save her kidneys and eventually recovered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31321572</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267436400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mutations are actually a rare occurrence in nature (one every million or billion copies) but unfortunately with the growth rate of bacteria, this event occurs much more frequently than most people understand. Bacteria are like any other living organism, they want to survive. The healthy WILL survive and as others have posted, total eradication is not possible. The best we can hope for is to CONTROL the organism and subsequent growth.</p><p>Mother nature actually has a way to handle this right now...the problem is that sometimes mother nature takes a while to produce these weapons of war. Mother nature uses special viruses that only target bacteria called bacteriophages. Since these viruses mutate faster than the host bacteria, mother nature provides a solution to the mutating bacterial problems. This is not a new science, it was discovered nearly 100 years ago, but since antibiotics seemed more efficient, this science has been taking a back seat. Recently this promising new science is providing an alternative solution when all else fails. It certainly isn't a silver bullet, as it has it's limitations, but if you can find a way of putting these little viruses in contact with the bacteria, they will work and they can control the disease.</p><p>Check out www.omnilytics.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mutations are actually a rare occurrence in nature ( one every million or billion copies ) but unfortunately with the growth rate of bacteria , this event occurs much more frequently than most people understand .
Bacteria are like any other living organism , they want to survive .
The healthy WILL survive and as others have posted , total eradication is not possible .
The best we can hope for is to CONTROL the organism and subsequent growth.Mother nature actually has a way to handle this right now...the problem is that sometimes mother nature takes a while to produce these weapons of war .
Mother nature uses special viruses that only target bacteria called bacteriophages .
Since these viruses mutate faster than the host bacteria , mother nature provides a solution to the mutating bacterial problems .
This is not a new science , it was discovered nearly 100 years ago , but since antibiotics seemed more efficient , this science has been taking a back seat .
Recently this promising new science is providing an alternative solution when all else fails .
It certainly is n't a silver bullet , as it has it 's limitations , but if you can find a way of putting these little viruses in contact with the bacteria , they will work and they can control the disease.Check out www.omnilytics.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mutations are actually a rare occurrence in nature (one every million or billion copies) but unfortunately with the growth rate of bacteria, this event occurs much more frequently than most people understand.
Bacteria are like any other living organism, they want to survive.
The healthy WILL survive and as others have posted, total eradication is not possible.
The best we can hope for is to CONTROL the organism and subsequent growth.Mother nature actually has a way to handle this right now...the problem is that sometimes mother nature takes a while to produce these weapons of war.
Mother nature uses special viruses that only target bacteria called bacteriophages.
Since these viruses mutate faster than the host bacteria, mother nature provides a solution to the mutating bacterial problems.
This is not a new science, it was discovered nearly 100 years ago, but since antibiotics seemed more efficient, this science has been taking a back seat.
Recently this promising new science is providing an alternative solution when all else fails.
It certainly isn't a silver bullet, as it has it's limitations, but if you can find a way of putting these little viruses in contact with the bacteria, they will work and they can control the disease.Check out www.omnilytics.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311282</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>codegen</author>
	<datestamp>1267370940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was raised in rural Saskatchewan and worked on a farm many times. While what you say about field yields is true, overuse of antibiotics in farming harms all of us. Those people you identify: elderly, poor families or college students now have to face even higher medical bills when they catch antibiotic resistant bacteria. There was a story a couple of years ago about the FDA clearing some of the last chance antibiotics for agricultural use.  This story may or may not be related, but the quantities used when treating farm animals and the discharge of the antibiotics into the environment only put the rest of us at risk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was raised in rural Saskatchewan and worked on a farm many times .
While what you say about field yields is true , overuse of antibiotics in farming harms all of us .
Those people you identify : elderly , poor families or college students now have to face even higher medical bills when they catch antibiotic resistant bacteria .
There was a story a couple of years ago about the FDA clearing some of the last chance antibiotics for agricultural use .
This story may or may not be related , but the quantities used when treating farm animals and the discharge of the antibiotics into the environment only put the rest of us at risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was raised in rural Saskatchewan and worked on a farm many times.
While what you say about field yields is true, overuse of antibiotics in farming harms all of us.
Those people you identify: elderly, poor families or college students now have to face even higher medical bills when they catch antibiotic resistant bacteria.
There was a story a couple of years ago about the FDA clearing some of the last chance antibiotics for agricultural use.
This story may or may not be related, but the quantities used when treating farm animals and the discharge of the antibiotics into the environment only put the rest of us at risk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310344</id>
	<title>Re:Death with intact kidneys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267362840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>You're in</b> for a painful experience if it does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're in for a painful experience if it does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're in for a painful experience if it does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310690</id>
	<title>Probiotics</title>
	<author>Akaihiryuu</author>
	<datestamp>1267366020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probiotics are going to start being a LOT more useful than antibiotics.  If you have a deadly bacteria, the best way to kill it is not to actually kill it with antibiotics (which generally kill everything that's not resistant to it), but kill it by flooding the system with beneficial bacteria that will compete with the harmful ones for resources and eventually starve them out.  Antibiotics should only be reserved for cases where they are absolutely necessary, and a probiotic regimin should be prescribed after the antibiotics are done.  Antibiotics also tend to kill a lot of beneficial bacteria, leaving a power vacuum where ANYTHING can take over very quickly after the antibiotics are done.  Filling the hole with beneficial bacteria before anything else can get in is the best thing to do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probiotics are going to start being a LOT more useful than antibiotics .
If you have a deadly bacteria , the best way to kill it is not to actually kill it with antibiotics ( which generally kill everything that 's not resistant to it ) , but kill it by flooding the system with beneficial bacteria that will compete with the harmful ones for resources and eventually starve them out .
Antibiotics should only be reserved for cases where they are absolutely necessary , and a probiotic regimin should be prescribed after the antibiotics are done .
Antibiotics also tend to kill a lot of beneficial bacteria , leaving a power vacuum where ANYTHING can take over very quickly after the antibiotics are done .
Filling the hole with beneficial bacteria before anything else can get in is the best thing to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probiotics are going to start being a LOT more useful than antibiotics.
If you have a deadly bacteria, the best way to kill it is not to actually kill it with antibiotics (which generally kill everything that's not resistant to it), but kill it by flooding the system with beneficial bacteria that will compete with the harmful ones for resources and eventually starve them out.
Antibiotics should only be reserved for cases where they are absolutely necessary, and a probiotic regimin should be prescribed after the antibiotics are done.
Antibiotics also tend to kill a lot of beneficial bacteria, leaving a power vacuum where ANYTHING can take over very quickly after the antibiotics are done.
Filling the hole with beneficial bacteria before anything else can get in is the best thing to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311648</id>
	<title>Re:It's not only their fault... Moving Forward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>uhh yeah.. pretty sure 'saving the world' would actually involve a couple billion humans dying and some population control on the remaining billions for good measure.. unless you think endless exponential human population growth is a good thing</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>uhh yeah.. pretty sure 'saving the world ' would actually involve a couple billion humans dying and some population control on the remaining billions for good measure.. unless you think endless exponential human population growth is a good thing</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uhh yeah.. pretty sure 'saving the world' would actually involve a couple billion humans dying and some population control on the remaining billions for good measure.. unless you think endless exponential human population growth is a good thing</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311610</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Docs with No Backbone or Are Just Plain L</title>
	<author>TangoMargarine</author>
	<datestamp>1267374660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every time I see a Lysol Hand Sanitizer commercial, I get the sudden urge to punch babies. The phrase "RESISTANCE, MOTHAF**KERS!!" comes to mind (pardon my french)...I can barely remember the last time I've used hand sanitizer and I get sick like once a year [knock on wood].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I see a Lysol Hand Sanitizer commercial , I get the sudden urge to punch babies .
The phrase " RESISTANCE , MOTHAF * * KERS ! !
" comes to mind ( pardon my french ) ...I can barely remember the last time I 've used hand sanitizer and I get sick like once a year [ knock on wood ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I see a Lysol Hand Sanitizer commercial, I get the sudden urge to punch babies.
The phrase "RESISTANCE, MOTHAF**KERS!!
" comes to mind (pardon my french)...I can barely remember the last time I've used hand sanitizer and I get sick like once a year [knock on wood].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311208</id>
	<title>Re:The slashdot post is kinda funny...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267370280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Gram test is even older than you give it credit for - it's from 1882 and was published in 1884. As far as I know, it's one of the first (if not the first?) test used for distinguishing different kind of bacteria with similar symptoms.</p><p>Apart from that I like your post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Gram test is even older than you give it credit for - it 's from 1882 and was published in 1884 .
As far as I know , it 's one of the first ( if not the first ?
) test used for distinguishing different kind of bacteria with similar symptoms.Apart from that I like your post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Gram test is even older than you give it credit for - it's from 1882 and was published in 1884.
As far as I know, it's one of the first (if not the first?
) test used for distinguishing different kind of bacteria with similar symptoms.Apart from that I like your post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309284</id>
	<title>Re:Death with intact kidneys</title>
	<author>magsol</author>
	<datestamp>1267355220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The alternative being on kidney dialysis for the rest of your bed-ridden life?<br> <br>

I'm not disagreeing with you per se; I'd be pissed if I died with any of my vital organs intact, honestly.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P But it sure seems like a lose-lose either way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The alternative being on kidney dialysis for the rest of your bed-ridden life ?
I 'm not disagreeing with you per se ; I 'd be pissed if I died with any of my vital organs intact , honestly .
: P But it sure seems like a lose-lose either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The alternative being on kidney dialysis for the rest of your bed-ridden life?
I'm not disagreeing with you per se; I'd be pissed if I died with any of my vital organs intact, honestly.
:P But it sure seems like a lose-lose either way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310984</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1267368600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If we want to put a hundred pounds on each steer, then that means each steer needs half a ton of feed.<br> <br>But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.</p></div><p>This is why you just eat some vegetarian food. I love a good steak as much as the next guy, but at this point, it seems that the economic/ecological arguments win out. What a waste of societies' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we want to put a hundred pounds on each steer , then that means each steer needs half a ton of feed .
But the elderly , who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.This is why you just eat some vegetarian food .
I love a good steak as much as the next guy , but at this point , it seems that the economic/ecological arguments win out .
What a waste of societies ' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we want to put a hundred pounds on each steer, then that means each steer needs half a ton of feed.
But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.This is why you just eat some vegetarian food.
I love a good steak as much as the next guy, but at this point, it seems that the economic/ecological arguments win out.
What a waste of societies' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310282</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1267362420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>you lost me at naturopath. those guys are the biggest load of shit, trumpted only by homiopaths.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you lost me at naturopath .
those guys are the biggest load of shit , trumpted only by homiopaths .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you lost me at naturopath.
those guys are the biggest load of shit, trumpted only by homiopaths.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311764</id>
	<title>Re:What about a natural bacterial predator?</title>
	<author>morty\_vikka</author>
	<datestamp>1267376220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nice idea, but phage are also very good at facilitating <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal\_gene\_transfer" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> horizontal gene transfer</a> [wikipedia.org], so there's a chance they could make the problem worse by conferring resistance to other strains of related bacteria.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice idea , but phage are also very good at facilitating horizontal gene transfer [ wikipedia.org ] , so there 's a chance they could make the problem worse by conferring resistance to other strains of related bacteria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice idea, but phage are also very good at facilitating  horizontal gene transfer [wikipedia.org], so there's a chance they could make the problem worse by conferring resistance to other strains of related bacteria.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310774</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>garcia</author>
	<datestamp>1267366740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.</i></p><p>Oh please stop with the rhetoric. Seriously, just stop right now.</p><p>I recently went to a nearly 100\% organic diet and this includes grass fed, free range, organic meats (chicken, turkey, pork, and beef) which I get directly from a Wisconsin farmer. The last time I bought 10 pounds of ground beef from him it was $4.75 a lb. I could get it for even less if I bought 1/4 cow or more. We're not talking expensive meat here people.</p><p>Now, what's so great about this? First of all, I'm supporting a local farmer who takes the time to have smaller herds (better for the environment and the farming trade), who are grass fed and heritage breeds, which taste better than anything you'll buy at Big Box Grocery Store Foo. Oh, and the best part of it all? I don't spend the time driving to the grocery store the second I open 9 out of 10 packages of their ground beef because it smells like rotten eggs. This has happened so many times that I stopped eating ground beef from the grocery store for several years and switched to ground turkey instead. Thankfully I'm back to ground beef--because red meat tastes better.</p><p>Yeah, that awesome beef you guys pander--to the poor elderly and college students--is not only terrible for you it could kill you (and it has). Why the fuck people fall for Big Ag's bullshit I'll never know. $2/lb isn't worth the shits or worse.</p><p>People, if you're still eating corn-fed beef, stop. Find a local organic/grass-fed farmer and buy direct from them instead. If you can't do that, at least head to your local co-op and buy the meat from them instead (you'll pay closer to $7/lb however).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the elderly , who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.Oh please stop with the rhetoric .
Seriously , just stop right now.I recently went to a nearly 100 \ % organic diet and this includes grass fed , free range , organic meats ( chicken , turkey , pork , and beef ) which I get directly from a Wisconsin farmer .
The last time I bought 10 pounds of ground beef from him it was $ 4.75 a lb .
I could get it for even less if I bought 1/4 cow or more .
We 're not talking expensive meat here people.Now , what 's so great about this ?
First of all , I 'm supporting a local farmer who takes the time to have smaller herds ( better for the environment and the farming trade ) , who are grass fed and heritage breeds , which taste better than anything you 'll buy at Big Box Grocery Store Foo .
Oh , and the best part of it all ?
I do n't spend the time driving to the grocery store the second I open 9 out of 10 packages of their ground beef because it smells like rotten eggs .
This has happened so many times that I stopped eating ground beef from the grocery store for several years and switched to ground turkey instead .
Thankfully I 'm back to ground beef--because red meat tastes better.Yeah , that awesome beef you guys pander--to the poor elderly and college students--is not only terrible for you it could kill you ( and it has ) .
Why the fuck people fall for Big Ag 's bullshit I 'll never know .
$ 2/lb is n't worth the shits or worse.People , if you 're still eating corn-fed beef , stop .
Find a local organic/grass-fed farmer and buy direct from them instead .
If you ca n't do that , at least head to your local co-op and buy the meat from them instead ( you 'll pay closer to $ 7/lb however ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.Oh please stop with the rhetoric.
Seriously, just stop right now.I recently went to a nearly 100\% organic diet and this includes grass fed, free range, organic meats (chicken, turkey, pork, and beef) which I get directly from a Wisconsin farmer.
The last time I bought 10 pounds of ground beef from him it was $4.75 a lb.
I could get it for even less if I bought 1/4 cow or more.
We're not talking expensive meat here people.Now, what's so great about this?
First of all, I'm supporting a local farmer who takes the time to have smaller herds (better for the environment and the farming trade), who are grass fed and heritage breeds, which taste better than anything you'll buy at Big Box Grocery Store Foo.
Oh, and the best part of it all?
I don't spend the time driving to the grocery store the second I open 9 out of 10 packages of their ground beef because it smells like rotten eggs.
This has happened so many times that I stopped eating ground beef from the grocery store for several years and switched to ground turkey instead.
Thankfully I'm back to ground beef--because red meat tastes better.Yeah, that awesome beef you guys pander--to the poor elderly and college students--is not only terrible for you it could kill you (and it has).
Why the fuck people fall for Big Ag's bullshit I'll never know.
$2/lb isn't worth the shits or worse.People, if you're still eating corn-fed beef, stop.
Find a local organic/grass-fed farmer and buy direct from them instead.
If you can't do that, at least head to your local co-op and buy the meat from them instead (you'll pay closer to $7/lb however).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312040</id>
	<title>Re:Stop blindly proscribing antibiotics</title>
	<author>harmor</author>
	<datestamp>1267379280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not remove the kidneys while taking the dangerous antibiotics?  Then replace them when you're done?

Can Kidneys be kept alive outside the body for extended periods of time?

Or do we need pigs to regrow our kidneys?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not remove the kidneys while taking the dangerous antibiotics ?
Then replace them when you 're done ?
Can Kidneys be kept alive outside the body for extended periods of time ?
Or do we need pigs to regrow our kidneys ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not remove the kidneys while taking the dangerous antibiotics?
Then replace them when you're done?
Can Kidneys be kept alive outside the body for extended periods of time?
Or do we need pigs to regrow our kidneys?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310686</id>
	<title>Re:It's not only their fault... Moving Forward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267366020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you work for the (uk) labour party? This stuff hasnt sounded good for 10 years</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you work for the ( uk ) labour party ?
This stuff hasnt sounded good for 10 years</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you work for the (uk) labour party?
This stuff hasnt sounded good for 10 years</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309738</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>Nadaka</author>
	<datestamp>1267359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations, you just wrote the next episode of House.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations , you just wrote the next episode of House .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations, you just wrote the next episode of House.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309598</id>
	<title>Re:Use the Immune System</title>
	<author>Slotty</author>
	<datestamp>1267358040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When antibiotics and antiviral research was first being used, they used methods of stimulating the immune system to a better response. But when chemicals proved easier, research switched to that. If we can get the immune system to fight them off itself, we won't have these problems.</p></div><p>Yes but then large pharm companies will have no money.
</p><p>
Stop suggesting things useful and life saving at the expense of profit!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When antibiotics and antiviral research was first being used , they used methods of stimulating the immune system to a better response .
But when chemicals proved easier , research switched to that .
If we can get the immune system to fight them off itself , we wo n't have these problems.Yes but then large pharm companies will have no money .
Stop suggesting things useful and life saving at the expense of profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When antibiotics and antiviral research was first being used, they used methods of stimulating the immune system to a better response.
But when chemicals proved easier, research switched to that.
If we can get the immune system to fight them off itself, we won't have these problems.Yes but then large pharm companies will have no money.
Stop suggesting things useful and life saving at the expense of profit!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311404</id>
	<title>Re:It just occured to me</title>
	<author>hackstraw</author>
	<datestamp>1267372260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most antibiotics are off of patent and make little money for drug companies.  Compared to maintenance drugs or even viagra, antibiotics are almost a charitable product for drug companies.   A friend of mine had MRSA, and he was given a 50 year old antibiotic that isn't used anymore.  That was the one that worked best.  It was dirt cheap.  Now his total bill ended up being over $100,000, but that is a different story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most antibiotics are off of patent and make little money for drug companies .
Compared to maintenance drugs or even viagra , antibiotics are almost a charitable product for drug companies .
A friend of mine had MRSA , and he was given a 50 year old antibiotic that is n't used anymore .
That was the one that worked best .
It was dirt cheap .
Now his total bill ended up being over $ 100,000 , but that is a different story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most antibiotics are off of patent and make little money for drug companies.
Compared to maintenance drugs or even viagra, antibiotics are almost a charitable product for drug companies.
A friend of mine had MRSA, and he was given a 50 year old antibiotic that isn't used anymore.
That was the one that worked best.
It was dirt cheap.
Now his total bill ended up being over $100,000, but that is a different story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309254</id>
	<title>Death with intact kidneys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd really be pissed if that happened to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd really be pissed if that happened to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd really be pissed if that happened to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31323420</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Specks</author>
	<datestamp>1267443300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can always just feed those people soylent green.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We can always just feed those people soylent green .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can always just feed those people soylent green.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31318630</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Andraax</author>
	<datestamp>1267468200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What a waste of societies' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.</p></div><p>Except that most of what cattle eat is inedible for humans. When was the last time you survived on corn stalks, husks, hay, and assorted grass?</p><p>Cattle turn stuff that humans cannot eat into something that humans can eat - beef.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a waste of societies ' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.Except that most of what cattle eat is inedible for humans .
When was the last time you survived on corn stalks , husks , hay , and assorted grass ? Cattle turn stuff that humans can not eat into something that humans can eat - beef .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a waste of societies' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.Except that most of what cattle eat is inedible for humans.
When was the last time you survived on corn stalks, husks, hay, and assorted grass?Cattle turn stuff that humans cannot eat into something that humans can eat - beef.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309344</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1267355700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>disinfectant abusers</p></div></blockquote><p>
Wow.  Never heard of that one.  I guess I'll just have to hide in the bathroom to wash my hands.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>disinfectant abusers Wow .
Never heard of that one .
I guess I 'll just have to hide in the bathroom to wash my hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>disinfectant abusers
Wow.
Never heard of that one.
I guess I'll just have to hide in the bathroom to wash my hands.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309352</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sanitizers that lyse microbes with high doses of ethanol don't contribute to these antibiotic resistant critters, but over prescribing antibiotics definitely does.</p><p>However, a major player is also the improper use of properly prescribed antibiotics.  People who stop taking their medicine for strep as soon as they feel better instead of completing the course, as is required.</p><p>This isn't entirely upon the doctors, but also upon those of us who don't follow doctors' directions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sanitizers that lyse microbes with high doses of ethanol do n't contribute to these antibiotic resistant critters , but over prescribing antibiotics definitely does.However , a major player is also the improper use of properly prescribed antibiotics .
People who stop taking their medicine for strep as soon as they feel better instead of completing the course , as is required.This is n't entirely upon the doctors , but also upon those of us who do n't follow doctors ' directions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sanitizers that lyse microbes with high doses of ethanol don't contribute to these antibiotic resistant critters, but over prescribing antibiotics definitely does.However, a major player is also the improper use of properly prescribed antibiotics.
People who stop taking their medicine for strep as soon as they feel better instead of completing the course, as is required.This isn't entirely upon the doctors, but also upon those of us who don't follow doctors' directions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310320</id>
	<title>Extensively-drug-resistant TB</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1267362720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Extensively-drug-resistant tuberculosis (XDR-TB) is already a nearly-unstoppable killer. In fact, it could very well be a doomsday bacterium. It is deadly, practically untreatable, survives well outside of the human body (as long as it's away from direct sunlight), rather long incubation period.... Finally, to diagnose XDR-TB you'll currently need anywhere between 2 to 4 MONTHS! All that time you might be curing a person with drugs that are ineffective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Extensively-drug-resistant tuberculosis ( XDR-TB ) is already a nearly-unstoppable killer .
In fact , it could very well be a doomsday bacterium .
It is deadly , practically untreatable , survives well outside of the human body ( as long as it 's away from direct sunlight ) , rather long incubation period.... Finally , to diagnose XDR-TB you 'll currently need anywhere between 2 to 4 MONTHS !
All that time you might be curing a person with drugs that are ineffective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Extensively-drug-resistant tuberculosis (XDR-TB) is already a nearly-unstoppable killer.
In fact, it could very well be a doomsday bacterium.
It is deadly, practically untreatable, survives well outside of the human body (as long as it's away from direct sunlight), rather long incubation period.... Finally, to diagnose XDR-TB you'll currently need anywhere between 2 to 4 MONTHS!
All that time you might be curing a person with drugs that are ineffective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309520</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>Skreems</author>
	<datestamp>1267357380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kinda hard to shunt the circulatory system around them when they need oxygenated blood to survive as well. Neat idea though, there should be a further way to get around that problem, like a miniature dialysis loop just for the kidneys while you run the treatment.<br>
<br>
Of course that's assuming the bacteria isn't in your kidneys...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kinda hard to shunt the circulatory system around them when they need oxygenated blood to survive as well .
Neat idea though , there should be a further way to get around that problem , like a miniature dialysis loop just for the kidneys while you run the treatment .
Of course that 's assuming the bacteria is n't in your kidneys.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kinda hard to shunt the circulatory system around them when they need oxygenated blood to survive as well.
Neat idea though, there should be a further way to get around that problem, like a miniature dialysis loop just for the kidneys while you run the treatment.
Of course that's assuming the bacteria isn't in your kidneys...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312142</id>
	<title>So THAT's what Stewart Brand meant!</title>
	<author>Baldrson</author>
	<datestamp>1267380780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a moment there, thought <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/27/231232/How-Slums-Can-Save-the-Planet" title="slashdot.org">Stewart Brand had gone insane</a> [slashdot.org].  But it all makes sense now.  What an evil genius Stewart Brand is to promote <a href="http://dieoff.org/" title="dieoff.org">global dieoff</a> [dieoff.org] through presenting high population densities as "green"!
<p>
Don't fear the creepy green light.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a moment there , thought Stewart Brand had gone insane [ slashdot.org ] .
But it all makes sense now .
What an evil genius Stewart Brand is to promote global dieoff [ dieoff.org ] through presenting high population densities as " green " !
Do n't fear the creepy green light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a moment there, thought Stewart Brand had gone insane [slashdot.org].
But it all makes sense now.
What an evil genius Stewart Brand is to promote global dieoff [dieoff.org] through presenting high population densities as "green"!
Don't fear the creepy green light.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311592</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>TangoMargarine</author>
	<datestamp>1267374480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All diseases will be irrelevant when the machines take over. The first to go will be those pesky humans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All diseases will be irrelevant when the machines take over .
The first to go will be those pesky humans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All diseases will be irrelevant when the machines take over.
The first to go will be those pesky humans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309438</id>
	<title>Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1267356600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would it be possible to at least take one (or both) Kidneys offline? Basically, run your body through a dialysis machine during the antibiotic procedure. Of course, this would have to be an extreme life or death situation to consider the possibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it be possible to at least take one ( or both ) Kidneys offline ?
Basically , run your body through a dialysis machine during the antibiotic procedure .
Of course , this would have to be an extreme life or death situation to consider the possibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it be possible to at least take one (or both) Kidneys offline?
Basically, run your body through a dialysis machine during the antibiotic procedure.
Of course, this would have to be an extreme life or death situation to consider the possibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312382</id>
	<title>What we need, is a secure p2p immune system.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267384200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eucalyptus trees have such a thing. They communicate with pheromones through air, to update other trees about immune system information and other dangers. Just like we would tell others that danger is approaching.</p><p>What we need, is a way to tell other people around us, how to defend themselves against new pathogens. Like telling someone. Only that it would be immune information. E.g. in form of T-cells.<br>But we would need a way to prevent e.g. a virus from infecting the T-cells themselves, to use this path to transmit itself (like a trojan horse). Which is especially important with allergies. (Those should of course not be transmitted!)</p><p>Yes, vaccination is a somewhat like it. But it&rsquo;s centralized and has a huge delay.</p><p>I hope that in the future, we will be able to do this with small chips working in team with the immune system. Simpler: Transform other people&rsquo;s immune cells into own ones, so that the body can use them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eucalyptus trees have such a thing .
They communicate with pheromones through air , to update other trees about immune system information and other dangers .
Just like we would tell others that danger is approaching.What we need , is a way to tell other people around us , how to defend themselves against new pathogens .
Like telling someone .
Only that it would be immune information .
E.g. in form of T-cells.But we would need a way to prevent e.g .
a virus from infecting the T-cells themselves , to use this path to transmit itself ( like a trojan horse ) .
Which is especially important with allergies .
( Those should of course not be transmitted !
) Yes , vaccination is a somewhat like it .
But it    s centralized and has a huge delay.I hope that in the future , we will be able to do this with small chips working in team with the immune system .
Simpler : Transform other people    s immune cells into own ones , so that the body can use them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eucalyptus trees have such a thing.
They communicate with pheromones through air, to update other trees about immune system information and other dangers.
Just like we would tell others that danger is approaching.What we need, is a way to tell other people around us, how to defend themselves against new pathogens.
Like telling someone.
Only that it would be immune information.
E.g. in form of T-cells.But we would need a way to prevent e.g.
a virus from infecting the T-cells themselves, to use this path to transmit itself (like a trojan horse).
Which is especially important with allergies.
(Those should of course not be transmitted!
)Yes, vaccination is a somewhat like it.
But it’s centralized and has a huge delay.I hope that in the future, we will be able to do this with small chips working in team with the immune system.
Simpler: Transform other people’s immune cells into own ones, so that the body can use them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311160</id>
	<title>Re:Party like it's 1899</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1267369860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't have to get Luddite. Hell, the world ain't black and white. "Using antibiotics with impunity is bad, so let's toss them altogether"?</p><p>We just have to hand them out like candy and blanket cover everything with an antibiotic coat as soon as someone coughs and sneezes. They must not be used lightly, they must not be used "just in case", and they certainly must not be used in livestock that is healthy but "we don't wanna risk them getting sick". We risk already way, way more by allowing these things to be done!</p><p>Antibiotics are the pharmacologic equivalent to a tactical nuke. Yes, it's nice to have one in your arsenal. But you should first of all try ALL other options before you drop it. And I mean ALL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't have to get Luddite .
Hell , the world ai n't black and white .
" Using antibiotics with impunity is bad , so let 's toss them altogether " ? We just have to hand them out like candy and blanket cover everything with an antibiotic coat as soon as someone coughs and sneezes .
They must not be used lightly , they must not be used " just in case " , and they certainly must not be used in livestock that is healthy but " we do n't wan na risk them getting sick " .
We risk already way , way more by allowing these things to be done ! Antibiotics are the pharmacologic equivalent to a tactical nuke .
Yes , it 's nice to have one in your arsenal .
But you should first of all try ALL other options before you drop it .
And I mean ALL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't have to get Luddite.
Hell, the world ain't black and white.
"Using antibiotics with impunity is bad, so let's toss them altogether"?We just have to hand them out like candy and blanket cover everything with an antibiotic coat as soon as someone coughs and sneezes.
They must not be used lightly, they must not be used "just in case", and they certainly must not be used in livestock that is healthy but "we don't wanna risk them getting sick".
We risk already way, way more by allowing these things to be done!Antibiotics are the pharmacologic equivalent to a tactical nuke.
Yes, it's nice to have one in your arsenal.
But you should first of all try ALL other options before you drop it.
And I mean ALL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309540</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>tpjunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1267357620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not really. The method of damage here is due to filtration of the active antibiotic from the blood at the glomerulus. In order to spare the kidneys here, you'd need to bypass the renal arteries, which receive about 20\% of the body's blood flow.

Thats not even getting into the fact that you need kidney perfusion to maintain proper blood volume.

I am a med student studying on renal physiology (test on friday...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
The method of damage here is due to filtration of the active antibiotic from the blood at the glomerulus .
In order to spare the kidneys here , you 'd need to bypass the renal arteries , which receive about 20 \ % of the body 's blood flow .
Thats not even getting into the fact that you need kidney perfusion to maintain proper blood volume .
I am a med student studying on renal physiology ( test on friday... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
The method of damage here is due to filtration of the active antibiotic from the blood at the glomerulus.
In order to spare the kidneys here, you'd need to bypass the renal arteries, which receive about 20\% of the body's blood flow.
Thats not even getting into the fact that you need kidney perfusion to maintain proper blood volume.
I am a med student studying on renal physiology (test on friday...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309414</id>
	<title>The slashdot post is kinda funny...</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1267356420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The language of the slashdot post seems to suggest that the presence of gram negative bacteria is recent.  It also suggests that the gram negative characteristic of the bacteria is the definitive characteristic of its virulence.  Also, the Gram test isn't a 'so called' test, which somehow suggests or implies doubt.</p><p>The test has been done for decades; our knowledge of the two major types of bacteria (gram positive and gram negative) has been around for decades as well.  And while gram negativity is characteristic of bacteria that must be approached with different antibiotic means than gram positive, due to their extracellular topology/materials, it does not mean that being gram negative makes the microbes virulent or specifically dangerous.</p><p>And to debunk the loose implication that gram negativity might have evolved from human antibiotic applications I will say this: it didn't.</p><p>General Bacteriology ftmfw.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The language of the slashdot post seems to suggest that the presence of gram negative bacteria is recent .
It also suggests that the gram negative characteristic of the bacteria is the definitive characteristic of its virulence .
Also , the Gram test is n't a 'so called ' test , which somehow suggests or implies doubt.The test has been done for decades ; our knowledge of the two major types of bacteria ( gram positive and gram negative ) has been around for decades as well .
And while gram negativity is characteristic of bacteria that must be approached with different antibiotic means than gram positive , due to their extracellular topology/materials , it does not mean that being gram negative makes the microbes virulent or specifically dangerous.And to debunk the loose implication that gram negativity might have evolved from human antibiotic applications I will say this : it did n't.General Bacteriology ftmfw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The language of the slashdot post seems to suggest that the presence of gram negative bacteria is recent.
It also suggests that the gram negative characteristic of the bacteria is the definitive characteristic of its virulence.
Also, the Gram test isn't a 'so called' test, which somehow suggests or implies doubt.The test has been done for decades; our knowledge of the two major types of bacteria (gram positive and gram negative) has been around for decades as well.
And while gram negativity is characteristic of bacteria that must be approached with different antibiotic means than gram positive, due to their extracellular topology/materials, it does not mean that being gram negative makes the microbes virulent or specifically dangerous.And to debunk the loose implication that gram negativity might have evolved from human antibiotic applications I will say this: it didn't.General Bacteriology ftmfw.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309272</id>
	<title>Gram Negative?</title>
	<author>postermmxvicom</author>
	<datestamp>1267355160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can we use these to make black holes? Or at least hover boards??? Pleeeease?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we use these to make black holes ?
Or at least hover boards ? ? ?
Pleeeease ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we use these to make black holes?
Or at least hover boards???
Pleeeease?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309394</id>
	<title>Re:Death with intact kidneys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, me too, that's why I drink my self to sleep every night and stone myself awake every day, if you have healthy organs when you die, then you haven't really lived at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , me too , that 's why I drink my self to sleep every night and stone myself awake every day , if you have healthy organs when you die , then you have n't really lived at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, me too, that's why I drink my self to sleep every night and stone myself awake every day, if you have healthy organs when you die, then you haven't really lived at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311762</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1267376160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My family raises cattle on a farm in Iowa. Speaking from our experience, I'll tell you that putting a pound of meat on a steer takes in the neighborhood of ten pounds of feed -- and much more than that, if you're feeding them exclusively grasses (including hay).<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Either way you're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs. You won't inconvenience the rich: the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef. After all, they're rich.</p></div><p>If your family raises cattle, then you should know that farmers have been culling cattle herds like crazy for the last ~5 years or so. <b>Beef prices have gone through the floor</b> because the recession seriously dampened demand and caused a glut in the market. At the same time, corn prices have been zooming up because of the ethanol push. This isn't just limited to cattle, as the pork and chicken industries have been cutting production too.</p><p>Just so no one things I'm pulling this out of my ass, here's the first relevant google result for "culling cattle herds"<br><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-27/u-s-cattle-herd-falls-to-1958-low-as-losses-climb-survey-says.html" title="businessweek.com">http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-27/u-s-cattle-herd-falls-to-1958-low-as-losses-climb-survey-says.html</a> [businessweek.com]</p><p>Here's another article, this time from April 2009, talking about 2008 herd numbers for the various industries:<br><a href="http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/apr09/090415a.asp" title="avma.org">http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/apr09/090415a.asp</a> [avma.org]</p><p>Moving to grass fed beef would resolve the market price problem (grass fed commands a premium) and the cost problem (grass is free, more land is cheap, corn feed is not).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My family raises cattle on a farm in Iowa .
Speaking from our experience , I 'll tell you that putting a pound of meat on a steer takes in the neighborhood of ten pounds of feed -- and much more than that , if you 're feeding them exclusively grasses ( including hay ) .
...Either way you 're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs .
You wo n't inconvenience the rich : the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef .
After all , they 're rich.If your family raises cattle , then you should know that farmers have been culling cattle herds like crazy for the last ~ 5 years or so .
Beef prices have gone through the floor because the recession seriously dampened demand and caused a glut in the market .
At the same time , corn prices have been zooming up because of the ethanol push .
This is n't just limited to cattle , as the pork and chicken industries have been cutting production too.Just so no one things I 'm pulling this out of my ass , here 's the first relevant google result for " culling cattle herds " http : //www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-27/u-s-cattle-herd-falls-to-1958-low-as-losses-climb-survey-says.html [ businessweek.com ] Here 's another article , this time from April 2009 , talking about 2008 herd numbers for the various industries : http : //www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/apr09/090415a.asp [ avma.org ] Moving to grass fed beef would resolve the market price problem ( grass fed commands a premium ) and the cost problem ( grass is free , more land is cheap , corn feed is not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My family raises cattle on a farm in Iowa.
Speaking from our experience, I'll tell you that putting a pound of meat on a steer takes in the neighborhood of ten pounds of feed -- and much more than that, if you're feeding them exclusively grasses (including hay).
...Either way you're talking about raising the prices of basic foodstuffs.
You won't inconvenience the rich: the rich will still be able to afford filet mignon and Kobe beef.
After all, they're rich.If your family raises cattle, then you should know that farmers have been culling cattle herds like crazy for the last ~5 years or so.
Beef prices have gone through the floor because the recession seriously dampened demand and caused a glut in the market.
At the same time, corn prices have been zooming up because of the ethanol push.
This isn't just limited to cattle, as the pork and chicken industries have been cutting production too.Just so no one things I'm pulling this out of my ass, here's the first relevant google result for "culling cattle herds"http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-27/u-s-cattle-herd-falls-to-1958-low-as-losses-climb-survey-says.html [businessweek.com]Here's another article, this time from April 2009, talking about 2008 herd numbers for the various industries:http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/apr09/090415a.asp [avma.org]Moving to grass fed beef would resolve the market price problem (grass fed commands a premium) and the cost problem (grass is free, more land is cheap, corn feed is not).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312448</id>
	<title>Multiple Attacks?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1267384980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the existing antibiotics attack various mechanisms of bacteria.  Even though the cellular critters can evolve around these attacks, it generally requires more resources to do so: extra thick cell walls, extra toxin pumps, etc. While any one work-around won't be a major stumbling block for the critter, It seems to me that fairly low doses of <b>many</b> antibiotics would attack enough mechanisms of the critter to slow down its reproduction enough for the human body's defenses to have an edge on it.</p><p>It's just like WW2: you bomb their train tracks, bridges, ports, power plants, etc. such that the total result slows them down even though no one attack stops them. It seems the current crop of antibiotics try to be a single magic key, which is unrealistic in the long run.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the existing antibiotics attack various mechanisms of bacteria .
Even though the cellular critters can evolve around these attacks , it generally requires more resources to do so : extra thick cell walls , extra toxin pumps , etc .
While any one work-around wo n't be a major stumbling block for the critter , It seems to me that fairly low doses of many antibiotics would attack enough mechanisms of the critter to slow down its reproduction enough for the human body 's defenses to have an edge on it.It 's just like WW2 : you bomb their train tracks , bridges , ports , power plants , etc .
such that the total result slows them down even though no one attack stops them .
It seems the current crop of antibiotics try to be a single magic key , which is unrealistic in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the existing antibiotics attack various mechanisms of bacteria.
Even though the cellular critters can evolve around these attacks, it generally requires more resources to do so: extra thick cell walls, extra toxin pumps, etc.
While any one work-around won't be a major stumbling block for the critter, It seems to me that fairly low doses of many antibiotics would attack enough mechanisms of the critter to slow down its reproduction enough for the human body's defenses to have an edge on it.It's just like WW2: you bomb their train tracks, bridges, ports, power plants, etc.
such that the total result slows them down even though no one attack stops them.
It seems the current crop of antibiotics try to be a single magic key, which is unrealistic in the long run.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31322086</id>
	<title>It Came from Hormel, Cargil, ADM, and the Taxpayer</title>
	<author>hyperventilate</author>
	<datestamp>1267438200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks so much for the story on Gram Negative infections.
A MRSA hospital infection killed my dad, so I follow the issue closely.
<p>
Unfortunately, I believe they left out the most important point.
</p><p>
You have to ask- where are these resistant bugs coming from?  Doctors tend to assume they evolve in people using antibiotics. Or they come from Nature's repository.  Not likely.
  </p><p>
But in truth, the majority are coming from a really stupid, short sighted and corrupt business practice we should abandon on economic grounds if not health grounds: CAFOs. (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations- as promoted by misguided Govt policy.)
For respectable background see <br>
<a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/food\_and\_agriculture/solutions/wise\_antibiotics/pamta.html" title="ucsusa.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucsusa.org/food\_and\_agriculture/solutions/wise\_antibiotics/pamta.html</a> [ucsusa.org]
</p><p>
But that isn't strongly enough stated.  We know H1N1 came from the neighborhood of a Cargill Pork CAFO in Mexico.  We know some strains of MRSA in the UK came from pork plants in the Netherlands.  We know where nasty e-Coli comes from- Beef CAFO's in the USA.  Doctors are mostly ignorant of the impact of using most of our antibiotics to help keep "healthy" animals alive and happily obese in tiny factory feed lots.
</p><p>
<b>If terrorists decided to create a super-bug to kill us all, they could hardly do better than build a modern CAFO.
</b>
</p><p>
And CAFO's are not even the cheapest way to make meat.  They are the most efficient way to gather the largest amount of taxpayer subsidies (mostly for corn) together in the smallest space.  Cheaper meat (for the consumer and taxpayer) would actually be safer meat!
We simply cannot afford to breed superbugs to make meat 5\% cheaper (for the meat packer)!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks so much for the story on Gram Negative infections .
A MRSA hospital infection killed my dad , so I follow the issue closely .
Unfortunately , I believe they left out the most important point .
You have to ask- where are these resistant bugs coming from ?
Doctors tend to assume they evolve in people using antibiotics .
Or they come from Nature 's repository .
Not likely .
But in truth , the majority are coming from a really stupid , short sighted and corrupt business practice we should abandon on economic grounds if not health grounds : CAFOs .
( Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations- as promoted by misguided Govt policy .
) For respectable background see http : //www.ucsusa.org/food \ _and \ _agriculture/solutions/wise \ _antibiotics/pamta.html [ ucsusa.org ] But that is n't strongly enough stated .
We know H1N1 came from the neighborhood of a Cargill Pork CAFO in Mexico .
We know some strains of MRSA in the UK came from pork plants in the Netherlands .
We know where nasty e-Coli comes from- Beef CAFO 's in the USA .
Doctors are mostly ignorant of the impact of using most of our antibiotics to help keep " healthy " animals alive and happily obese in tiny factory feed lots .
If terrorists decided to create a super-bug to kill us all , they could hardly do better than build a modern CAFO .
And CAFO 's are not even the cheapest way to make meat .
They are the most efficient way to gather the largest amount of taxpayer subsidies ( mostly for corn ) together in the smallest space .
Cheaper meat ( for the consumer and taxpayer ) would actually be safer meat !
We simply can not afford to breed superbugs to make meat 5 \ % cheaper ( for the meat packer ) !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks so much for the story on Gram Negative infections.
A MRSA hospital infection killed my dad, so I follow the issue closely.
Unfortunately, I believe they left out the most important point.
You have to ask- where are these resistant bugs coming from?
Doctors tend to assume they evolve in people using antibiotics.
Or they come from Nature's repository.
Not likely.
But in truth, the majority are coming from a really stupid, short sighted and corrupt business practice we should abandon on economic grounds if not health grounds: CAFOs.
(Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations- as promoted by misguided Govt policy.
)
For respectable background see 
http://www.ucsusa.org/food\_and\_agriculture/solutions/wise\_antibiotics/pamta.html [ucsusa.org]

But that isn't strongly enough stated.
We know H1N1 came from the neighborhood of a Cargill Pork CAFO in Mexico.
We know some strains of MRSA in the UK came from pork plants in the Netherlands.
We know where nasty e-Coli comes from- Beef CAFO's in the USA.
Doctors are mostly ignorant of the impact of using most of our antibiotics to help keep "healthy" animals alive and happily obese in tiny factory feed lots.
If terrorists decided to create a super-bug to kill us all, they could hardly do better than build a modern CAFO.
And CAFO's are not even the cheapest way to make meat.
They are the most efficient way to gather the largest amount of taxpayer subsidies (mostly for corn) together in the smallest space.
Cheaper meat (for the consumer and taxpayer) would actually be safer meat!
We simply cannot afford to breed superbugs to make meat 5\% cheaper (for the meat packer)!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309624</id>
	<title>Question from the uninformed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267358220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know much about this part of science, but does it work to target whatever the bacteria is taking in to produce the next generation, or to produce their toxin (as opposed to targeting the bacteria directly)? I suppose it entirely depends on what the bacteria does that causes the problem, but for example an article linked in another comment mentioned MRSA developing a pump mechanism to deal with disinfectants- if you tricked it into pumping out its 'food', you would kill it and hopefully cause a drug-resisting trait to go out of favor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know much about this part of science , but does it work to target whatever the bacteria is taking in to produce the next generation , or to produce their toxin ( as opposed to targeting the bacteria directly ) ?
I suppose it entirely depends on what the bacteria does that causes the problem , but for example an article linked in another comment mentioned MRSA developing a pump mechanism to deal with disinfectants- if you tricked it into pumping out its 'food ' , you would kill it and hopefully cause a drug-resisting trait to go out of favor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know much about this part of science, but does it work to target whatever the bacteria is taking in to produce the next generation, or to produce their toxin (as opposed to targeting the bacteria directly)?
I suppose it entirely depends on what the bacteria does that causes the problem, but for example an article linked in another comment mentioned MRSA developing a pump mechanism to deal with disinfectants- if you tricked it into pumping out its 'food', you would kill it and hopefully cause a drug-resisting trait to go out of favor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311874</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>baKanale</author>
	<datestamp>1267377480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If corn weren't such a tempting crop due to heavy subsidies then maybe some of those corn farmers would switch to hay.  Maybe the beef would be a bit more expensive, but at least the cow's would stop farting so much methane and helping to breed these damned super-bugs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If corn were n't such a tempting crop due to heavy subsidies then maybe some of those corn farmers would switch to hay .
Maybe the beef would be a bit more expensive , but at least the cow 's would stop farting so much methane and helping to breed these damned super-bugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If corn weren't such a tempting crop due to heavy subsidies then maybe some of those corn farmers would switch to hay.
Maybe the beef would be a bit more expensive, but at least the cow's would stop farting so much methane and helping to breed these damned super-bugs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309638</id>
	<title>nature vs technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267358340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No way nature would beat medical technology!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No way nature would beat medical technology ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No way nature would beat medical technology!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309596</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267358040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since many law makers seem to be able to temporarily detach their brains during the course of their work I don't see how kidneys could be much harder to handle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since many law makers seem to be able to temporarily detach their brains during the course of their work I do n't see how kidneys could be much harder to handle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since many law makers seem to be able to temporarily detach their brains during the course of their work I don't see how kidneys could be much harder to handle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31313640</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1267441860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or maybe we could organise agriculture so that everyone can eat more or less what they want.  A ridiculous, communist notion to be sure, but I'm just thinking out loud here, you understand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe we could organise agriculture so that everyone can eat more or less what they want .
A ridiculous , communist notion to be sure , but I 'm just thinking out loud here , you understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe we could organise agriculture so that everyone can eat more or less what they want.
A ridiculous, communist notion to be sure, but I'm just thinking out loud here, you understand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309736</id>
	<title>Re:Idea</title>
	<author>rs79</author>
	<datestamp>1267359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not quite that simple but it would help. Until cows make fatty acids we still need to ingest OM-3 and OM-6 in proportion or the COX-I reaction doesn't work right.</p><p>Anyway. The Mayo clinic (or equiv) tested oregano oil and found it worked as well as bleach in killing MRSA in the halls, and less offensive to the respiratory tract. The stuff is well known in naturopathic cicrles, is a very strong bacteriacide and powerful anti oxidant.</p><p>They need to run tests to confirm we a lot of people already know. But watch, if big pharma runs the tests, it'll be shown not to work. It's happened before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not quite that simple but it would help .
Until cows make fatty acids we still need to ingest OM-3 and OM-6 in proportion or the COX-I reaction does n't work right.Anyway .
The Mayo clinic ( or equiv ) tested oregano oil and found it worked as well as bleach in killing MRSA in the halls , and less offensive to the respiratory tract .
The stuff is well known in naturopathic cicrles , is a very strong bacteriacide and powerful anti oxidant.They need to run tests to confirm we a lot of people already know .
But watch , if big pharma runs the tests , it 'll be shown not to work .
It 's happened before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not quite that simple but it would help.
Until cows make fatty acids we still need to ingest OM-3 and OM-6 in proportion or the COX-I reaction doesn't work right.Anyway.
The Mayo clinic (or equiv) tested oregano oil and found it worked as well as bleach in killing MRSA in the halls, and less offensive to the respiratory tract.
The stuff is well known in naturopathic cicrles, is a very strong bacteriacide and powerful anti oxidant.They need to run tests to confirm we a lot of people already know.
But watch, if big pharma runs the tests, it'll be shown not to work.
It's happened before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309306</id>
	<title>How ironic...</title>
	<author>Mantis8</author>
	<datestamp>1267355400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The one (Louis Pasteur) who was made famous for finding a way to kill deadly bacteria is now infamous for enabling the same.  I bet he never saw this one coming!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one ( Louis Pasteur ) who was made famous for finding a way to kill deadly bacteria is now infamous for enabling the same .
I bet he never saw this one coming !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one (Louis Pasteur) who was made famous for finding a way to kill deadly bacteria is now infamous for enabling the same.
I bet he never saw this one coming!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309536</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267357560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is innovative thinking, however, after a moment I realized that the kidneys would be infected also and as a result would reinfect the person when reconnected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is innovative thinking , however , after a moment I realized that the kidneys would be infected also and as a result would reinfect the person when reconnected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is innovative thinking, however, after a moment I realized that the kidneys would be infected also and as a result would reinfect the person when reconnected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311654</id>
	<title>resonance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267375080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>simple solution:<br>get nasty bacteria<br>hit bacteria with a really tiny hammer<br>record the sound with a "micro-ear":<br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8529232.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8529232.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]<br>get some "the who" type speakers<br>play the sound back really loud<br>watch bacteria explode<br>profit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>simple solution : get nasty bacteriahit bacteria with a really tiny hammerrecord the sound with a " micro-ear " : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8529232.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] get some " the who " type speakersplay the sound back really loudwatch bacteria explodeprofit ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>simple solution:get nasty bacteriahit bacteria with a really tiny hammerrecord the sound with a "micro-ear":http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8529232.stm [bbc.co.uk]get some "the who" type speakersplay the sound back really loudwatch bacteria explodeprofit ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311424</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1267372500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"a utopia that will never get reached?"</p><p>Yep, even in a world "without disease" you'd still have all sorts of natural decay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" a utopia that will never get reached ?
" Yep , even in a world " without disease " you 'd still have all sorts of natural decay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"a utopia that will never get reached?
"Yep, even in a world "without disease" you'd still have all sorts of natural decay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309446</id>
	<title>Problem solved</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remove the kidneys for the duration of the antibiotic therapy and hook the patient up to a dialysis machine.<br>Who cares if it's a hack if it works!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remove the kidneys for the duration of the antibiotic therapy and hook the patient up to a dialysis machine.Who cares if it 's a hack if it works !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remove the kidneys for the duration of the antibiotic therapy and hook the patient up to a dialysis machine.Who cares if it's a hack if it works!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310364</id>
	<title>Moving into the pre-antibiotic era</title>
	<author>anoopsinha</author>
	<datestamp>1267363080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a clinical microbiologist working in a teaching hospital in India. We've been seeing multi-drug resistant strains of hospital bugs (Gram negative) for quite some time now.
<p>
In fact, more than 60\% of the Gram negative isolates in our hospital (in-patients) appear to be producing an enzyme called extended spectrum beta lactamases (ESBL). These ESBL-strains are often resistant to other classes of antibiotics as well, narrowing therapeutic options. In a subset of cases, these bugs turn up as resistant to almost all the antibiotics we test.
</p><p>
But, I am yet to come across a case where the isolate was resistant to colistin and polymyxin B. No clinician would even <i>think</i> of using these drugs if other options are available. But, if, as the article reports, these organisms turn out to be resistant to even these last-resort drug... we can safely assume that we are in deep shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a clinical microbiologist working in a teaching hospital in India .
We 've been seeing multi-drug resistant strains of hospital bugs ( Gram negative ) for quite some time now .
In fact , more than 60 \ % of the Gram negative isolates in our hospital ( in-patients ) appear to be producing an enzyme called extended spectrum beta lactamases ( ESBL ) .
These ESBL-strains are often resistant to other classes of antibiotics as well , narrowing therapeutic options .
In a subset of cases , these bugs turn up as resistant to almost all the antibiotics we test .
But , I am yet to come across a case where the isolate was resistant to colistin and polymyxin B. No clinician would even think of using these drugs if other options are available .
But , if , as the article reports , these organisms turn out to be resistant to even these last-resort drug... we can safely assume that we are in deep shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a clinical microbiologist working in a teaching hospital in India.
We've been seeing multi-drug resistant strains of hospital bugs (Gram negative) for quite some time now.
In fact, more than 60\% of the Gram negative isolates in our hospital (in-patients) appear to be producing an enzyme called extended spectrum beta lactamases (ESBL).
These ESBL-strains are often resistant to other classes of antibiotics as well, narrowing therapeutic options.
In a subset of cases, these bugs turn up as resistant to almost all the antibiotics we test.
But, I am yet to come across a case where the isolate was resistant to colistin and polymyxin B. No clinician would even think of using these drugs if other options are available.
But, if, as the article reports, these organisms turn out to be resistant to even these last-resort drug... we can safely assume that we are in deep shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309586</id>
	<title>Kidney Transplant Time</title>
	<author>Fieryphoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1267357980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you know your therapy is going to destroy your patient's kidneys and put them on a kidney transplant waiting list, wouldn't the smartest thing to do be to remove them, treat the infection, then transplant their own kidneys back in place? So long as the kidneys themselves aren't infected, of course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you know your therapy is going to destroy your patient 's kidneys and put them on a kidney transplant waiting list , would n't the smartest thing to do be to remove them , treat the infection , then transplant their own kidneys back in place ?
So long as the kidneys themselves are n't infected , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you know your therapy is going to destroy your patient's kidneys and put them on a kidney transplant waiting list, wouldn't the smartest thing to do be to remove them, treat the infection, then transplant their own kidneys back in place?
So long as the kidneys themselves aren't infected, of course.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309364</id>
	<title>What about a natural bacterial predator?</title>
	<author>insitus</author>
	<datestamp>1267355940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone remember <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage\_therapy" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Phage Therapy</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone remember Phage Therapy [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone remember Phage Therapy [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309436</id>
	<title>Party like it's 1899</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267356540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome back to the world before antibiotics were discovered.</p><p>However, a few decades of not using antibiotics at all and the bacteria around the world will again mostly be susceptible to the more common, low-risk ones.  The mutations that make for antibiotic resistance have negative effects on bacteria's ability to reproduce... except in an environment with significant antibiotic use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome back to the world before antibiotics were discovered.However , a few decades of not using antibiotics at all and the bacteria around the world will again mostly be susceptible to the more common , low-risk ones .
The mutations that make for antibiotic resistance have negative effects on bacteria 's ability to reproduce... except in an environment with significant antibiotic use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome back to the world before antibiotics were discovered.However, a few decades of not using antibiotics at all and the bacteria around the world will again mostly be susceptible to the more common, low-risk ones.
The mutations that make for antibiotic resistance have negative effects on bacteria's ability to reproduce... except in an environment with significant antibiotic use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309666</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>Kral\_Blbec</author>
	<datestamp>1267358640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Theoretically yes. It would just take rerouting the incoming kidney blood supply into a loop to bypass it into dialysis. However, you would likely have to filter the drugs out, pass it back to the kidney, reroute it out again and restore the drug. Wouldn't help if your kidneys died from lack of blood supply. Last case scenario stuff probably though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Theoretically yes .
It would just take rerouting the incoming kidney blood supply into a loop to bypass it into dialysis .
However , you would likely have to filter the drugs out , pass it back to the kidney , reroute it out again and restore the drug .
Would n't help if your kidneys died from lack of blood supply .
Last case scenario stuff probably though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theoretically yes.
It would just take rerouting the incoming kidney blood supply into a loop to bypass it into dialysis.
However, you would likely have to filter the drugs out, pass it back to the kidney, reroute it out again and restore the drug.
Wouldn't help if your kidneys died from lack of blood supply.
Last case scenario stuff probably though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31333904</id>
	<title>Re:Stop blindly proscribing antibiotics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267561380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's absolutely nothing you could do with 10 mins under a microscope to determine the infectious agent. Any Indian practitioner who claims such a thing is lying.</p><p>Even the most basic of microscopic diagnostics (eg gram stain, endospore stain, acid-fast, etc) are performed on purified cultures - not direct samples.</p><p>Basically the steps are:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1) take sample<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2) create culture by adding sample to nutrient broth<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3) incubate 24+ hrs<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4) streak culture on agar plate<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5) incubate 24+ hrs<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6) sample individual colonies</p><p>The samples from the individual colonies can be tested directly or multiplied by sampling &amp; sub-culturing.</p><p>Those incubation periods are why most tests of this nature take several days to get back.</p><p>Now there are some new molecular techniques that can identify an organism within minutes - but none of them would require a microscope.</p><p>rho</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's absolutely nothing you could do with 10 mins under a microscope to determine the infectious agent .
Any Indian practitioner who claims such a thing is lying.Even the most basic of microscopic diagnostics ( eg gram stain , endospore stain , acid-fast , etc ) are performed on purified cultures - not direct samples.Basically the steps are :         1 ) take sample         2 ) create culture by adding sample to nutrient broth         3 ) incubate 24 + hrs         4 ) streak culture on agar plate         5 ) incubate 24 + hrs         6 ) sample individual coloniesThe samples from the individual colonies can be tested directly or multiplied by sampling &amp; sub-culturing.Those incubation periods are why most tests of this nature take several days to get back.Now there are some new molecular techniques that can identify an organism within minutes - but none of them would require a microscope.rho</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's absolutely nothing you could do with 10 mins under a microscope to determine the infectious agent.
Any Indian practitioner who claims such a thing is lying.Even the most basic of microscopic diagnostics (eg gram stain, endospore stain, acid-fast, etc) are performed on purified cultures - not direct samples.Basically the steps are:
        1) take sample
        2) create culture by adding sample to nutrient broth
        3) incubate 24+ hrs
        4) streak culture on agar plate
        5) incubate 24+ hrs
        6) sample individual coloniesThe samples from the individual colonies can be tested directly or multiplied by sampling &amp; sub-culturing.Those incubation periods are why most tests of this nature take several days to get back.Now there are some new molecular techniques that can identify an organism within minutes - but none of them would require a microscope.rho</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310120</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267361340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this was more directed at the parents who use antibacterial soap just about every 5 seconds of the day and who force their kids to do the same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this was more directed at the parents who use antibacterial soap just about every 5 seconds of the day and who force their kids to do the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this was more directed at the parents who use antibacterial soap just about every 5 seconds of the day and who force their kids to do the same thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310648</id>
	<title>These infections are indeed spongeworthy...</title>
	<author>Aelcyx</author>
	<datestamp>1267365540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good news for us, Elaine Benes, and Squidward:</p><p><a href="http://www.mrsapedia.com/sea-sponge-antidote-to-mrsa/" title="mrsapedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mrsapedia.com/sea-sponge-antidote-to-mrsa/</a> [mrsapedia.com]</p><p>I heard about this a while ago.  I'm wondering when it'll happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good news for us , Elaine Benes , and Squidward : http : //www.mrsapedia.com/sea-sponge-antidote-to-mrsa/ [ mrsapedia.com ] I heard about this a while ago .
I 'm wondering when it 'll happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good news for us, Elaine Benes, and Squidward:http://www.mrsapedia.com/sea-sponge-antidote-to-mrsa/ [mrsapedia.com]I heard about this a while ago.
I'm wondering when it'll happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31316636</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>PeterM from Berkeley</author>
	<datestamp>1267461000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second this.  I would rather not die for the right to eat a cow cheap.  And not eating beef is better for you anyway.</p><p>--PM</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this .
I would rather not die for the right to eat a cow cheap .
And not eating beef is better for you anyway.--PM</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this.
I would rather not die for the right to eat a cow cheap.
And not eating beef is better for you anyway.--PM</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309216</id>
	<title>antibiotic free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267354860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/cough bacteriophage<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/cough<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/cough bacteriophage /coughhttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/cough bacteriophage /coughhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31320306</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Roberticus</author>
	<datestamp>1267474800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... What a waste of societies' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.</p></div><p>If you're talking about grass as the cattle feed, then that's *not* 1.5 tons of food. Not until I get those other three chambers installed in my stomach, anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... What a waste of societies ' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.If you 're talking about grass as the cattle feed , then that 's * not * 1.5 tons of food .
Not until I get those other three chambers installed in my stomach , anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... What a waste of societies' resources to turn 1.5 tons of food into 100 pounds of food.If you're talking about grass as the cattle feed, then that's *not* 1.5 tons of food.
Not until I get those other three chambers installed in my stomach, anyway.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309224</id>
	<title>A race against evolution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267354920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If science and technology don't win the race against evolution who will be around to crown the winner?</p><p>The bugs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If science and technology do n't win the race against evolution who will be around to crown the winner ? The bugs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If science and technology don't win the race against evolution who will be around to crown the winner?The bugs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31313464</id>
	<title>So much wrong in that artile ...</title>
	<author>hherb</author>
	<datestamp>1267439400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article is incorrect in many points.  Firstly it is not just the two antibiotics mentioned that are effective against gram negatives, but quite a large range of Aminoglycosides, Quinolones, and even some Cephalosporines for example. Resistance against these happns too, of course.<br>Furthermore, damage to the kidneys (or hearing nerve) and other severe adverse effetcs can happen, but are rather the exception than the rule. The patient's choice is thus not "to lose his kidneys or die with intact kidneys" but to accept a reasonably small risk of potentially serious adverse effects in exchange for  a treatment that is most likely life saving.</p><p>Of course it is sad if we gradually lose more and more powerful antibiotics because some reckless idiots overuse them in clinical practice (the USA is one of the worst offenders in that aspect within the "ciilized" realm, especially when it comes to misuse and overuse of Fluoroquinolones) or, even worse, just in order to make cruel intensive meat farming viable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article is incorrect in many points .
Firstly it is not just the two antibiotics mentioned that are effective against gram negatives , but quite a large range of Aminoglycosides , Quinolones , and even some Cephalosporines for example .
Resistance against these happns too , of course.Furthermore , damage to the kidneys ( or hearing nerve ) and other severe adverse effetcs can happen , but are rather the exception than the rule .
The patient 's choice is thus not " to lose his kidneys or die with intact kidneys " but to accept a reasonably small risk of potentially serious adverse effects in exchange for a treatment that is most likely life saving.Of course it is sad if we gradually lose more and more powerful antibiotics because some reckless idiots overuse them in clinical practice ( the USA is one of the worst offenders in that aspect within the " ciilized " realm , especially when it comes to misuse and overuse of Fluoroquinolones ) or , even worse , just in order to make cruel intensive meat farming viable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article is incorrect in many points.
Firstly it is not just the two antibiotics mentioned that are effective against gram negatives, but quite a large range of Aminoglycosides, Quinolones, and even some Cephalosporines for example.
Resistance against these happns too, of course.Furthermore, damage to the kidneys (or hearing nerve) and other severe adverse effetcs can happen, but are rather the exception than the rule.
The patient's choice is thus not "to lose his kidneys or die with intact kidneys" but to accept a reasonably small risk of potentially serious adverse effects in exchange for  a treatment that is most likely life saving.Of course it is sad if we gradually lose more and more powerful antibiotics because some reckless idiots overuse them in clinical practice (the USA is one of the worst offenders in that aspect within the "ciilized" realm, especially when it comes to misuse and overuse of Fluoroquinolones) or, even worse, just in order to make cruel intensive meat farming viable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309314</id>
	<title>Mother nature is winning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267355460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real problem is our hamhanded attempt to rid us of disease has made things much worse. They still continue to give antibiotics for colds, colds are viruses, and much of our food has been treated with them. Casual and improper use has created the monster bugs and now there's no way to put the genie back into the bottle. Best way to avoid the killer bugs? Stay away from hospitals, they are the breeding grounds for the new bugs. Some like MRSA are already in the environment so there's no way to be totally safe but most people do catch the bugs in hospitals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is our hamhanded attempt to rid us of disease has made things much worse .
They still continue to give antibiotics for colds , colds are viruses , and much of our food has been treated with them .
Casual and improper use has created the monster bugs and now there 's no way to put the genie back into the bottle .
Best way to avoid the killer bugs ?
Stay away from hospitals , they are the breeding grounds for the new bugs .
Some like MRSA are already in the environment so there 's no way to be totally safe but most people do catch the bugs in hospitals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem is our hamhanded attempt to rid us of disease has made things much worse.
They still continue to give antibiotics for colds, colds are viruses, and much of our food has been treated with them.
Casual and improper use has created the monster bugs and now there's no way to put the genie back into the bottle.
Best way to avoid the killer bugs?
Stay away from hospitals, they are the breeding grounds for the new bugs.
Some like MRSA are already in the environment so there's no way to be totally safe but most people do catch the bugs in hospitals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310178</id>
	<title>Shrill summary aside...</title>
	<author>ghostis</author>
	<datestamp>1267361640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems dramatically cutting antibiotic use promotes the growth treatable bacteria over non-treatable bacteria in human environments.</p><p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/tech/main6014559.shtml" title="cbsnews.com">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/tech/main6014559.shtml</a> [cbsnews.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems dramatically cutting antibiotic use promotes the growth treatable bacteria over non-treatable bacteria in human environments.http : //www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/tech/main6014559.shtml [ cbsnews.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems dramatically cutting antibiotic use promotes the growth treatable bacteria over non-treatable bacteria in human environments.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/tech/main6014559.shtml [cbsnews.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310914</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267368060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.</em> <br> <br>

Americans who can't afford beef can do the same thing the rest of the world does (at least those parts of the world that aren't starving). Eat something else.<br> <br>

Chicken is cheaper than beef, eggs are cheaper than chicken, and rice and beans is cheaper still. The cost of one dinner at a steakhouse for two will buy a huge sack of rice and huge sack of beans, including a bunch of stuff to make it taste good. This will easily last a month, even for a family.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the elderly , who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted .
Americans who ca n't afford beef can do the same thing the rest of the world does ( at least those parts of the world that are n't starving ) .
Eat something else .
Chicken is cheaper than beef , eggs are cheaper than chicken , and rice and beans is cheaper still .
The cost of one dinner at a steakhouse for two will buy a huge sack of rice and huge sack of beans , including a bunch of stuff to make it taste good .
This will easily last a month , even for a family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the elderly, who live on fixed incomes... poor families who depend on food stamps... or just a college student burdened with debt who wants to be able to take his girlfriend to a steakhouse for a special occasion... all of these people are seriously impacted.
Americans who can't afford beef can do the same thing the rest of the world does (at least those parts of the world that aren't starving).
Eat something else.
Chicken is cheaper than beef, eggs are cheaper than chicken, and rice and beans is cheaper still.
The cost of one dinner at a steakhouse for two will buy a huge sack of rice and huge sack of beans, including a bunch of stuff to make it taste good.
This will easily last a month, even for a family.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311152</id>
	<title>Re:The slashdot post is kinda funny...</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1267369800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is true that endotoxin A, which is presented to the human body upon cell lysis is heavily immunogenic and can cause disease and/or death.  And it is true that it is found as the intracellular component of the gram negative lipopolysaccharides.</p><p>But what isn't true is that gram negative = virulent.  Virulence is a measure of an organisms ability to cause disease.  Many gram negative bacteria simply cannot survive in the human body, so it is false to state or imply that being gram negative is clearly a threat to human health.</p><p>Gram negative bacteria that can colonize in the body are dangerous and may cause disease.  The point I was trying to clarify was that the characteristic of being gram negative does not mean the bacteria will cause human disease/death.  There are various attributes among species of bacteria that will determine if they can grow in the human body.</p><p>I hope my point is more clear.</p><p>Gram negative != dangerous to human</p><p>gram negative + able to colonize in humans = dangerous to human.</p><p>Furthermore, there are many bacteria that are gram negative that exist as symbiotic bacteria in the intestinal flora.  Need an example?  Escherichia Coli is gram negative. If the simple characteristic of being 'gram negative' made a microbe dangerous, we would all be in danger right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is true that endotoxin A , which is presented to the human body upon cell lysis is heavily immunogenic and can cause disease and/or death .
And it is true that it is found as the intracellular component of the gram negative lipopolysaccharides.But what is n't true is that gram negative = virulent .
Virulence is a measure of an organisms ability to cause disease .
Many gram negative bacteria simply can not survive in the human body , so it is false to state or imply that being gram negative is clearly a threat to human health.Gram negative bacteria that can colonize in the body are dangerous and may cause disease .
The point I was trying to clarify was that the characteristic of being gram negative does not mean the bacteria will cause human disease/death .
There are various attributes among species of bacteria that will determine if they can grow in the human body.I hope my point is more clear.Gram negative ! = dangerous to humangram negative + able to colonize in humans = dangerous to human.Furthermore , there are many bacteria that are gram negative that exist as symbiotic bacteria in the intestinal flora .
Need an example ?
Escherichia Coli is gram negative .
If the simple characteristic of being 'gram negative ' made a microbe dangerous , we would all be in danger right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is true that endotoxin A, which is presented to the human body upon cell lysis is heavily immunogenic and can cause disease and/or death.
And it is true that it is found as the intracellular component of the gram negative lipopolysaccharides.But what isn't true is that gram negative = virulent.
Virulence is a measure of an organisms ability to cause disease.
Many gram negative bacteria simply cannot survive in the human body, so it is false to state or imply that being gram negative is clearly a threat to human health.Gram negative bacteria that can colonize in the body are dangerous and may cause disease.
The point I was trying to clarify was that the characteristic of being gram negative does not mean the bacteria will cause human disease/death.
There are various attributes among species of bacteria that will determine if they can grow in the human body.I hope my point is more clear.Gram negative != dangerous to humangram negative + able to colonize in humans = dangerous to human.Furthermore, there are many bacteria that are gram negative that exist as symbiotic bacteria in the intestinal flora.
Need an example?
Escherichia Coli is gram negative.
If the simple characteristic of being 'gram negative' made a microbe dangerous, we would all be in danger right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31313820</id>
	<title>Re:Nanobots to the rescue</title>
	<author>hasdikarlsam</author>
	<datestamp>1267444680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good, long while.</p><p>We might - <i>might</i> - have functional, useful nanofactories in another decade or so. More likely two.</p><p>But nanofactories are bulky (well, relatively) things; not something you can inject, and definitely not capable of killing bacteria. What you'd obviously do is use them to build the nanobots you want. Which means designing and testing them first, which can't be done until we have nanofactories. So probably five years for that.</p><p>So that's fifteen to twenty-five years before we can even try. Nanotechnology in mature form will have been around for years before we even try introducing it into the body. Interfacing with biology is about the hardest thing we can try to make it do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good , long while.We might - might - have functional , useful nanofactories in another decade or so .
More likely two.But nanofactories are bulky ( well , relatively ) things ; not something you can inject , and definitely not capable of killing bacteria .
What you 'd obviously do is use them to build the nanobots you want .
Which means designing and testing them first , which ca n't be done until we have nanofactories .
So probably five years for that.So that 's fifteen to twenty-five years before we can even try .
Nanotechnology in mature form will have been around for years before we even try introducing it into the body .
Interfacing with biology is about the hardest thing we can try to make it do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good, long while.We might - might - have functional, useful nanofactories in another decade or so.
More likely two.But nanofactories are bulky (well, relatively) things; not something you can inject, and definitely not capable of killing bacteria.
What you'd obviously do is use them to build the nanobots you want.
Which means designing and testing them first, which can't be done until we have nanofactories.
So probably five years for that.So that's fifteen to twenty-five years before we can even try.
Nanotechnology in mature form will have been around for years before we even try introducing it into the body.
Interfacing with biology is about the hardest thing we can try to make it do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310560</id>
	<title>Re:The slashdot post is kinda funny...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267364700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>---- And to debunk the loose implication that gram negativity might have evolved from human antibiotic applications I will say this: it didn't.</p><p>Well, I'm convinced! I will say this: wait, I'm not convinced at all!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>---- And to debunk the loose implication that gram negativity might have evolved from human antibiotic applications I will say this : it did n't.Well , I 'm convinced !
I will say this : wait , I 'm not convinced at all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>---- And to debunk the loose implication that gram negativity might have evolved from human antibiotic applications I will say this: it didn't.Well, I'm convinced!
I will say this: wait, I'm not convinced at all!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311726</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks</title>
	<author>localman</author>
	<datestamp>1267375740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading this article earlier today, about <a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/01/11/1420165/norway-conquers-infections-by.html" title="miamiherald.com">conquering resistant infections in Norway</a> [miamiherald.com].  Sounds like they've basically figured it out.  What are the chances that we can get that kind of smarts imported into the US?</p><p>Cheers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading this article earlier today , about conquering resistant infections in Norway [ miamiherald.com ] .
Sounds like they 've basically figured it out .
What are the chances that we can get that kind of smarts imported into the US ? Cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading this article earlier today, about conquering resistant infections in Norway [miamiherald.com].
Sounds like they've basically figured it out.
What are the chances that we can get that kind of smarts imported into the US?Cheers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31318894</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1267469220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Patient:  Doctor, doctor! It hurts when I do this.</p><p>Doctor: Well, don't do that.</p><p>That's not exactly the kind of problem solving we're interested in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Patient : Doctor , doctor !
It hurts when I do this.Doctor : Well , do n't do that.That 's not exactly the kind of problem solving we 're interested in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Patient:  Doctor, doctor!
It hurts when I do this.Doctor: Well, don't do that.That's not exactly the kind of problem solving we're interested in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309534</id>
	<title>It just occured to me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267357560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In general, pharma companies benefit from heavy use of antibiotics: immediately because they can sell more, but also in the long run because it makes their old products (for which they no longer hold a government-issued monopoly) obsolete faster, improving the market for newly developed drugs that fix old problems.</p><p>On the other hand, when it comes to these gram-negative bacteria the above idea does not hold true. They can't benefit from it if they don't have a product to sell that fixes the problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In general , pharma companies benefit from heavy use of antibiotics : immediately because they can sell more , but also in the long run because it makes their old products ( for which they no longer hold a government-issued monopoly ) obsolete faster , improving the market for newly developed drugs that fix old problems.On the other hand , when it comes to these gram-negative bacteria the above idea does not hold true .
They ca n't benefit from it if they do n't have a product to sell that fixes the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In general, pharma companies benefit from heavy use of antibiotics: immediately because they can sell more, but also in the long run because it makes their old products (for which they no longer hold a government-issued monopoly) obsolete faster, improving the market for newly developed drugs that fix old problems.On the other hand, when it comes to these gram-negative bacteria the above idea does not hold true.
They can't benefit from it if they don't have a product to sell that fixes the problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311062</id>
	<title>Great!... More fallout from Cannabis Prohibition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267369140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good job folks..</p><p>Way to overprescribe antibiotics as well.</p><p>Don't see the tie in?  You've not done your homework.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good job folks..Way to overprescribe antibiotics as well.Do n't see the tie in ?
You 've not done your homework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good job folks..Way to overprescribe antibiotics as well.Don't see the tie in?
You've not done your homework.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309408</id>
	<title>It's not only their fault... Moving Forward</title>
	<author>Oxford\_Comma\_Lover</author>
	<datestamp>1267356300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's plenty of blame to go around, but of course the trick is what we do moving forward.  Some of the simple techniques, such as ensuring hospital staff wash their hands, are very useful in terms of preventing the contraction of bacterial infections and should be something where we encourage, expect, and ultimately demand a 100\% success rate (i.e. always wash your hands), without blaming people for not having done it in the past.  Nurses at the hospitals with poor discipline stopped washing their hands once disposable gloves started being commonly used in medicine.  At this point, for many of them, they have been told or taught to always wash hands or put on new gloves before touching a patient after touching nonsterile surfaces, but they're not part of a hospital culture where that is the unbreakable rule, so they get sloppy.</p><p>It's not everyone, nor every hospital, but it's common enough that it's not even frowned on at some hospitals.  Simply attacking someone about doing it wrong isn't enough, nor helpful, and our goal isn't to blame, it's to move forward and say, "all right.  No more!  Let's get this right!  Let's cut down on staph infections by twenty percent in the next year."  There should be intense competition for objectively defineable metrics of success, where the higher the number the better the patient care (so no race conditions), with conservative results and massive penalties for failing to report properly (so it's in everyone's interest to do well but nobody's interest to cheat), and each year the hospital should be able to report, "we saved X lives this year, and Y of those are lives we saved because of these particular programs and improvements we've achieved since last year."</p><p>The goal isn't to blame, it's to achieve.  It's to save lives.  And ultimately, of course, to save the world.  *Flash Gordon Theme plays*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's plenty of blame to go around , but of course the trick is what we do moving forward .
Some of the simple techniques , such as ensuring hospital staff wash their hands , are very useful in terms of preventing the contraction of bacterial infections and should be something where we encourage , expect , and ultimately demand a 100 \ % success rate ( i.e .
always wash your hands ) , without blaming people for not having done it in the past .
Nurses at the hospitals with poor discipline stopped washing their hands once disposable gloves started being commonly used in medicine .
At this point , for many of them , they have been told or taught to always wash hands or put on new gloves before touching a patient after touching nonsterile surfaces , but they 're not part of a hospital culture where that is the unbreakable rule , so they get sloppy.It 's not everyone , nor every hospital , but it 's common enough that it 's not even frowned on at some hospitals .
Simply attacking someone about doing it wrong is n't enough , nor helpful , and our goal is n't to blame , it 's to move forward and say , " all right .
No more !
Let 's get this right !
Let 's cut down on staph infections by twenty percent in the next year .
" There should be intense competition for objectively defineable metrics of success , where the higher the number the better the patient care ( so no race conditions ) , with conservative results and massive penalties for failing to report properly ( so it 's in everyone 's interest to do well but nobody 's interest to cheat ) , and each year the hospital should be able to report , " we saved X lives this year , and Y of those are lives we saved because of these particular programs and improvements we 've achieved since last year .
" The goal is n't to blame , it 's to achieve .
It 's to save lives .
And ultimately , of course , to save the world .
* Flash Gordon Theme plays *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's plenty of blame to go around, but of course the trick is what we do moving forward.
Some of the simple techniques, such as ensuring hospital staff wash their hands, are very useful in terms of preventing the contraction of bacterial infections and should be something where we encourage, expect, and ultimately demand a 100\% success rate (i.e.
always wash your hands), without blaming people for not having done it in the past.
Nurses at the hospitals with poor discipline stopped washing their hands once disposable gloves started being commonly used in medicine.
At this point, for many of them, they have been told or taught to always wash hands or put on new gloves before touching a patient after touching nonsterile surfaces, but they're not part of a hospital culture where that is the unbreakable rule, so they get sloppy.It's not everyone, nor every hospital, but it's common enough that it's not even frowned on at some hospitals.
Simply attacking someone about doing it wrong isn't enough, nor helpful, and our goal isn't to blame, it's to move forward and say, "all right.
No more!
Let's get this right!
Let's cut down on staph infections by twenty percent in the next year.
"  There should be intense competition for objectively defineable metrics of success, where the higher the number the better the patient care (so no race conditions), with conservative results and massive penalties for failing to report properly (so it's in everyone's interest to do well but nobody's interest to cheat), and each year the hospital should be able to report, "we saved X lives this year, and Y of those are lives we saved because of these particular programs and improvements we've achieved since last year.
"The goal isn't to blame, it's to achieve.
It's to save lives.
And ultimately, of course, to save the world.
*Flash Gordon Theme plays*</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310604</id>
	<title>Re:Kidney Transplant Time</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1267365120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll need to find a way to keep the kidneys viable for days to weeks first. Otherwise they'll be long gone by the time you're ready to re-implant them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll need to find a way to keep the kidneys viable for days to weeks first .
Otherwise they 'll be long gone by the time you 're ready to re-implant them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll need to find a way to keep the kidneys viable for days to weeks first.
Otherwise they'll be long gone by the time you're ready to re-implant them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310484</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1267363980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
By the time the person's condition reaches the need for it,  the dialysis itself might accelerate death, before the treatment begins to succeed..
</p><p>
But suppose you could chemically de-activate the antibiotic in the blood stream before it reaches each kidney,  and re-activate it in the blood stream afterwards in a safe place...
</p><p>
Then I suppose, if the infection evolved intelligently,  it would seek to infect the kidneys where it would be safer from the antibiotic.......
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By the time the person 's condition reaches the need for it , the dialysis itself might accelerate death , before the treatment begins to succeed. . But suppose you could chemically de-activate the antibiotic in the blood stream before it reaches each kidney , and re-activate it in the blood stream afterwards in a safe place.. . Then I suppose , if the infection evolved intelligently , it would seek to infect the kidneys where it would be safer from the antibiotic...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
By the time the person's condition reaches the need for it,  the dialysis itself might accelerate death, before the treatment begins to succeed..

But suppose you could chemically de-activate the antibiotic in the blood stream before it reaches each kidney,  and re-activate it in the blood stream afterwards in a safe place...

Then I suppose, if the infection evolved intelligently,  it would seek to infect the kidneys where it would be safer from the antibiotic.......
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31310152</id>
	<title>Re:Taking Kidneys offline</title>
	<author>timnbron</author>
	<datestamp>1267361580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am a med student studying on renal physiology (test on friday...)</p></div><p>Let me know if you pass, then I'll mod you up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a med student studying on renal physiology ( test on friday... ) Let me know if you pass , then I 'll mod you up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a med student studying on renal physiology (test on friday...)Let me know if you pass, then I'll mod you up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311180</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>samkass</author>
	<datestamp>1267370040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Thankfully I'm back to ground beef--because red meat tastes better.</p></div></blockquote><p>For what it's worth, you're a lot better off buying chunks of beef and grinding it in a food processor than buying packaged ground beef at the stores unless you're REALLY short on cash.  A lot less likely to have illness-causing bacteria or even intentionally mixed with <a href="http://current.com/12j9k4c" title="current.com">ammonia-infused green slime</a> [current.com] as a filler to cut the price.  Plus it tastes better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thankfully I 'm back to ground beef--because red meat tastes better.For what it 's worth , you 're a lot better off buying chunks of beef and grinding it in a food processor than buying packaged ground beef at the stores unless you 're REALLY short on cash .
A lot less likely to have illness-causing bacteria or even intentionally mixed with ammonia-infused green slime [ current.com ] as a filler to cut the price .
Plus it tastes better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thankfully I'm back to ground beef--because red meat tastes better.For what it's worth, you're a lot better off buying chunks of beef and grinding it in a food processor than buying packaged ground beef at the stores unless you're REALLY short on cash.
A lot less likely to have illness-causing bacteria or even intentionally mixed with ammonia-infused green slime [current.com] as a filler to cut the price.
Plus it tastes better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309724</id>
	<title>Re:Problem solved</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267359000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Remove the kidneys for the duration of the antibiotic therapy and hook the patient up to a dialysis machine.</p></div><p>Then you can choose between living with a dialysis machine forever, or getting re-infected by your own kidneys.<br>I'm all for hacking, so maybe someone else's kidney could work...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remove the kidneys for the duration of the antibiotic therapy and hook the patient up to a dialysis machine.Then you can choose between living with a dialysis machine forever , or getting re-infected by your own kidneys.I 'm all for hacking , so maybe someone else 's kidney could work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remove the kidneys for the duration of the antibiotic therapy and hook the patient up to a dialysis machine.Then you can choose between living with a dialysis machine forever, or getting re-infected by your own kidneys.I'm all for hacking, so maybe someone else's kidney could work...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311226</id>
	<title>Ever seen a progressive store?</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1267370400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Portland Oregon, our most popular markets sell grass fed/free range meats.  It is very pricey, but it sells extremely well.  Generally, most of us eat less beef overall, but are more than willing to spend 2-3x as much for quality organic beef.</p><p>Even our fast food chain, Burgerville, uses beef from http://www.oregoncountrybeef.com/ and somehow their burger prices aren't too high.  I'm just saying, corn fed isn't the only way to sell beef successfully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Portland Oregon , our most popular markets sell grass fed/free range meats .
It is very pricey , but it sells extremely well .
Generally , most of us eat less beef overall , but are more than willing to spend 2-3x as much for quality organic beef.Even our fast food chain , Burgerville , uses beef from http : //www.oregoncountrybeef.com/ and somehow their burger prices are n't too high .
I 'm just saying , corn fed is n't the only way to sell beef successfully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Portland Oregon, our most popular markets sell grass fed/free range meats.
It is very pricey, but it sells extremely well.
Generally, most of us eat less beef overall, but are more than willing to spend 2-3x as much for quality organic beef.Even our fast food chain, Burgerville, uses beef from http://www.oregoncountrybeef.com/ and somehow their burger prices aren't too high.
I'm just saying, corn fed isn't the only way to sell beef successfully.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311380</id>
	<title>Time to start filtering sewage....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267372020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the bacteriophages. The viral "predators" for these bacteria. Several Russian scientists were making a<br>lot of progress with using bacteriophages to treat bacterial diseases around the same time penicillin was being isolated. Now, true, bacteria have defence mechanisms to fight these viruses, just as they do to antibiotics, but a significant weakening does occur. Cycle through several viruses at a time per strain treating, and you will be able to reduce much of the infection. And as the culture is small and weak at that point, finish with a run of antibiotics, and boom, patient lives without destroying the kidneys.</p><p>
&nbsp; Is this oversimplified? Perhaps a tad.... But the sewers of any major city with a standing infection of these bugs, or better yet, a good Russian prison with one hell of an outbreak (or American, or French, just using Russia as an example as there is quite a bit of drTB around...) and the sewage is a breeding ground of bacteria, and the viruses that prey on them. Isolate the viruses, culture, and keep a bank going for each strain, and it "could" be an excellent starting treatment. <br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; And heck, if you don't mind being blue, mainline some bacteriophages, and afterwards pump yourself fu of colloidal silver.... You'll still have your kidneys, but be a smurf for life.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the bacteriophages .
The viral " predators " for these bacteria .
Several Russian scientists were making alot of progress with using bacteriophages to treat bacterial diseases around the same time penicillin was being isolated .
Now , true , bacteria have defence mechanisms to fight these viruses , just as they do to antibiotics , but a significant weakening does occur .
Cycle through several viruses at a time per strain treating , and you will be able to reduce much of the infection .
And as the culture is small and weak at that point , finish with a run of antibiotics , and boom , patient lives without destroying the kidneys .
  Is this oversimplified ?
Perhaps a tad.... But the sewers of any major city with a standing infection of these bugs , or better yet , a good Russian prison with one hell of an outbreak ( or American , or French , just using Russia as an example as there is quite a bit of drTB around... ) and the sewage is a breeding ground of bacteria , and the viruses that prey on them .
Isolate the viruses , culture , and keep a bank going for each strain , and it " could " be an excellent starting treatment .
    And heck , if you do n't mind being blue , mainline some bacteriophages , and afterwards pump yourself fu of colloidal silver.... You 'll still have your kidneys , but be a smurf for life.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the bacteriophages.
The viral "predators" for these bacteria.
Several Russian scientists were making alot of progress with using bacteriophages to treat bacterial diseases around the same time penicillin was being isolated.
Now, true, bacteria have defence mechanisms to fight these viruses, just as they do to antibiotics, but a significant weakening does occur.
Cycle through several viruses at a time per strain treating, and you will be able to reduce much of the infection.
And as the culture is small and weak at that point, finish with a run of antibiotics, and boom, patient lives without destroying the kidneys.
  Is this oversimplified?
Perhaps a tad.... But the sewers of any major city with a standing infection of these bugs, or better yet, a good Russian prison with one hell of an outbreak (or American, or French, just using Russia as an example as there is quite a bit of drTB around...) and the sewage is a breeding ground of bacteria, and the viruses that prey on them.
Isolate the viruses, culture, and keep a bank going for each strain, and it "could" be an excellent starting treatment.
  
  And heck, if you don't mind being blue, mainline some bacteriophages, and afterwards pump yourself fu of colloidal silver.... You'll still have your kidneys, but be a smurf for life.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31351912</id>
	<title>Re:Ever been on a farm?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267617900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course 100 pounds of beef does not have the same energy content as 100 pounds of feed/vegetarian food. This is illustrated in the feeding habits of herbivores vs carnivores ie. the first group grazes all day, every day and the other goes for a long period between meals. The carnivores diet has had an advantageous effect on sentient life; not having to graze all day, every day allows for other time sinks such as art and culture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course 100 pounds of beef does not have the same energy content as 100 pounds of feed/vegetarian food .
This is illustrated in the feeding habits of herbivores vs carnivores ie .
the first group grazes all day , every day and the other goes for a long period between meals .
The carnivores diet has had an advantageous effect on sentient life ; not having to graze all day , every day allows for other time sinks such as art and culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course 100 pounds of beef does not have the same energy content as 100 pounds of feed/vegetarian food.
This is illustrated in the feeding habits of herbivores vs carnivores ie.
the first group grazes all day, every day and the other goes for a long period between meals.
The carnivores diet has had an advantageous effect on sentient life; not having to graze all day, every day allows for other time sinks such as art and culture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309434</id>
	<title>Use the Immune System</title>
	<author>Bordgious</author>
	<datestamp>1267356540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When antibiotics and antiviral research was first being used, they used methods of stimulating the immune system to a better response. But when chemicals proved easier, research switched to that. If we can get the immune system to fight them off itself, we won't have these problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When antibiotics and antiviral research was first being used , they used methods of stimulating the immune system to a better response .
But when chemicals proved easier , research switched to that .
If we can get the immune system to fight them off itself , we wo n't have these problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When antibiotics and antiviral research was first being used, they used methods of stimulating the immune system to a better response.
But when chemicals proved easier, research switched to that.
If we can get the immune system to fight them off itself, we won't have these problems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31311370</id>
	<title>Stop feeding antibiotics routinely to livestock</title>
	<author>oDDmON oUT</author>
	<datestamp>1267371900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stopping giving them for every sniffle and virus.</p><p>It worked for the <a href="http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/jan/03/norways-mrsa-solution/" title="spokesman.com">Norwegians</a> [spokesman.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stopping giving them for every sniffle and virus.It worked for the Norwegians [ spokesman.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stopping giving them for every sniffle and virus.It worked for the Norwegians [spokesman.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31313852</id>
	<title>Re:Stop blindly proscribing antibiotics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267445160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My gosh.... my experience has taught be that sub-continent doctors will prescribe 3 kinds of antibiotics whenever someone comes in with a cold. And their culturing methods are highly suspect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My gosh.... my experience has taught be that sub-continent doctors will prescribe 3 kinds of antibiotics whenever someone comes in with a cold .
And their culturing methods are highly suspect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My gosh.... my experience has taught be that sub-continent doctors will prescribe 3 kinds of antibiotics whenever someone comes in with a cold.
And their culturing methods are highly suspect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31312346</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1267383720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly. Is the idea of world without diseases (never mind getting the medicine to all people) a utopia that will never get reached?</p></div><p>I think we're still ahead in terms of numbers.  Far more people have been saved by antibiotics than have died from antibitotic-resistant bacteria.  I guess that could rapidly change thought...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly .
Is the idea of world without diseases ( never mind getting the medicine to all people ) a utopia that will never get reached ? I think we 're still ahead in terms of numbers .
Far more people have been saved by antibiotics than have died from antibitotic-resistant bacteria .
I guess that could rapidly change thought.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I gets this weird feeling that for every medicine discovered nature pushes back with one that is more effective and deadly.
Is the idea of world without diseases (never mind getting the medicine to all people) a utopia that will never get reached?I think we're still ahead in terms of numbers.
Far more people have been saved by antibiotics than have died from antibitotic-resistant bacteria.
I guess that could rapidly change thought...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_28_2013220.31309200</id>
	<title>Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267354800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop wasting all those antibiotics on beefing up our cattle and giving a bunch of supergerms a tolerance for the stuff?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop wasting all those antibiotics on beefing up our cattle and giving a bunch of supergerms a tolerance for the stuff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop wasting all those antibiotics on beefing up our cattle and giving a bunch of supergerms a tolerance for the stuff?</sentencetext>
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