<article>
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	<title>The Sad History and (Possibly) Bright Future of TiVo</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1267189680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>gjt writes <i>"For the couch-potato geek, one name typically comes to mind: TiVo &mdash; the company that invented the DVR, and with it, timeshifting. TiVo has been around for more than 10 years now. And TiVo fans (like myself) tend to love TiVo. Yet, despite being well-loved and despite having been around longer than the Apple iPod, TiVo comes nowhere close to the iPod/iPhone's success. Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company. At its peak, TiVo had only 4.4 million active users &mdash; that was over three years ago. Now TiVo the number is about 2.7 million. So I wanted to find out why TiVo hasn't been more successful &mdash; especially with a seeming lack of competition on store shelves. I did some research and posted my finding about <a href="http://www.gadgetopolis.com/posts/7462">TiVo's past, present, and future</a>. The key takeaway seems to be that TiVo is a victim of cable industry collusion, loopholes in FCC regulations, and, of course, plenty of their own mistakes."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>gjt writes " For the couch-potato geek , one name typically comes to mind : TiVo    the company that invented the DVR , and with it , timeshifting .
TiVo has been around for more than 10 years now .
And TiVo fans ( like myself ) tend to love TiVo .
Yet , despite being well-loved and despite having been around longer than the Apple iPod , TiVo comes nowhere close to the iPod/iPhone 's success .
Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company .
At its peak , TiVo had only 4.4 million active users    that was over three years ago .
Now TiVo the number is about 2.7 million .
So I wanted to find out why TiVo has n't been more successful    especially with a seeming lack of competition on store shelves .
I did some research and posted my finding about TiVo 's past , present , and future .
The key takeaway seems to be that TiVo is a victim of cable industry collusion , loopholes in FCC regulations , and , of course , plenty of their own mistakes .
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<sentencetext>gjt writes "For the couch-potato geek, one name typically comes to mind: TiVo — the company that invented the DVR, and with it, timeshifting.
TiVo has been around for more than 10 years now.
And TiVo fans (like myself) tend to love TiVo.
Yet, despite being well-loved and despite having been around longer than the Apple iPod, TiVo comes nowhere close to the iPod/iPhone's success.
Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company.
At its peak, TiVo had only 4.4 million active users — that was over three years ago.
Now TiVo the number is about 2.7 million.
So I wanted to find out why TiVo hasn't been more successful — especially with a seeming lack of competition on store shelves.
I did some research and posted my finding about TiVo's past, present, and future.
The key takeaway seems to be that TiVo is a victim of cable industry collusion, loopholes in FCC regulations, and, of course, plenty of their own mistakes.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287890</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1267210680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just get a cheap pc in a small enough case and have it run the hulu desktop player.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just get a cheap pc in a small enough case and have it run the hulu desktop player .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just get a cheap pc in a small enough case and have it run the hulu desktop player.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285804</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>binaryartist</author>
	<datestamp>1267203660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Boeing has been there longer than Ipod of Tivo. I dont think Boeing sold has many planes as Apple has sold Ipods. Does that mean its less of a success? I know, I know, this kind of generalization does not hold... I am just stepping up your comparison to another degree. It might be 'intuitive' for you to measure the success of Ipod and Tivo with the same parameters, only thing is, its not scientific.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boeing has been there longer than Ipod of Tivo .
I dont think Boeing sold has many planes as Apple has sold Ipods .
Does that mean its less of a success ?
I know , I know , this kind of generalization does not hold... I am just stepping up your comparison to another degree .
It might be 'intuitive ' for you to measure the success of Ipod and Tivo with the same parameters , only thing is , its not scientific .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boeing has been there longer than Ipod of Tivo.
I dont think Boeing sold has many planes as Apple has sold Ipods.
Does that mean its less of a success?
I know, I know, this kind of generalization does not hold... I am just stepping up your comparison to another degree.
It might be 'intuitive' for you to measure the success of Ipod and Tivo with the same parameters, only thing is, its not scientific.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285220</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Rolgar</author>
	<datestamp>1267201020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can buy non-TIVO devices (like the Philips DVDR3576H (DVD Recorder/DVR) I'm considering buying to replace a similar Toshiba device I already own) that do exactly that. I've heard people rave about TIVO, but I'd rather have a machine like the above that doesn't need to be on the Internet, that can't be changed or controlled by the manufacturer without my consent. They probably will never do it, but I'd just as soon have the peace of mind of knowing that they can't touch my device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can buy non-TIVO devices ( like the Philips DVDR3576H ( DVD Recorder/DVR ) I 'm considering buying to replace a similar Toshiba device I already own ) that do exactly that .
I 've heard people rave about TIVO , but I 'd rather have a machine like the above that does n't need to be on the Internet , that ca n't be changed or controlled by the manufacturer without my consent .
They probably will never do it , but I 'd just as soon have the peace of mind of knowing that they ca n't touch my device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can buy non-TIVO devices (like the Philips DVDR3576H (DVD Recorder/DVR) I'm considering buying to replace a similar Toshiba device I already own) that do exactly that.
I've heard people rave about TIVO, but I'd rather have a machine like the above that doesn't need to be on the Internet, that can't be changed or controlled by the manufacturer without my consent.
They probably will never do it, but I'd just as soon have the peace of mind of knowing that they can't touch my device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288298</id>
	<title>TIVO failed because people don't want to rent VCRs</title>
	<author>maillemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1267212000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo failed because lots of people don't want to rent video recording ability as a service.  They especially don't want to rent the service when what they record, and how long the recording lasts can be dictated by others.</p><p>If I were to buy a VCR again, it would have to function with no subscription service, and record anything and everything I told it to, and preserve those recordings indefinitely.</p><p>Of course nowadays we don't bother recording content off of TV to watch later, we just wait until "later" comes and rent it from Netflix.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo failed because lots of people do n't want to rent video recording ability as a service .
They especially do n't want to rent the service when what they record , and how long the recording lasts can be dictated by others.If I were to buy a VCR again , it would have to function with no subscription service , and record anything and everything I told it to , and preserve those recordings indefinitely.Of course nowadays we do n't bother recording content off of TV to watch later , we just wait until " later " comes and rent it from Netflix .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo failed because lots of people don't want to rent video recording ability as a service.
They especially don't want to rent the service when what they record, and how long the recording lasts can be dictated by others.If I were to buy a VCR again, it would have to function with no subscription service, and record anything and everything I told it to, and preserve those recordings indefinitely.Of course nowadays we don't bother recording content off of TV to watch later, we just wait until "later" comes and rent it from Netflix.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286218</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267205220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The device does not stop working if you cancel the scheduling service.  If I use the DVR comcast provides to me I pay a $10.95 monthly "rental fee".  At least with my TiVo HD I get the benefit of a much better user interface, Netflix On Demand, Amazon On Demand, Blockbuster On Demand, YouTube, and I can stream my own content from a server running pyTiVo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The device does not stop working if you cancel the scheduling service .
If I use the DVR comcast provides to me I pay a $ 10.95 monthly " rental fee " .
At least with my TiVo HD I get the benefit of a much better user interface , Netflix On Demand , Amazon On Demand , Blockbuster On Demand , YouTube , and I can stream my own content from a server running pyTiVo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The device does not stop working if you cancel the scheduling service.
If I use the DVR comcast provides to me I pay a $10.95 monthly "rental fee".
At least with my TiVo HD I get the benefit of a much better user interface, Netflix On Demand, Amazon On Demand, Blockbuster On Demand, YouTube, and I can stream my own content from a server running pyTiVo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284496</id>
	<title>I'll tell you why they're not that big</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267196880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Outside of the USA, Tivo doesn't exists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outside of the USA , Tivo does n't exists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outside of the USA, Tivo doesn't exists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284400</id>
	<title>Re:Why are markets for</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267196460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are absolutely correct. Of course if TiVo (or somebody else) had sold a DVR that just recorded what people told it to with no monthly fee, the public's demand for the ability to hook it up outside of the cable company's control would have been greater as well. What difference does it make who I pay the monthly fee to?<br>
Another point is that the cable companies' attitude is/was shortsighted. By making it harder for people to obtain timeshifting technology, they accelerated the move to watching video over the Internet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are absolutely correct .
Of course if TiVo ( or somebody else ) had sold a DVR that just recorded what people told it to with no monthly fee , the public 's demand for the ability to hook it up outside of the cable company 's control would have been greater as well .
What difference does it make who I pay the monthly fee to ?
Another point is that the cable companies ' attitude is/was shortsighted .
By making it harder for people to obtain timeshifting technology , they accelerated the move to watching video over the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are absolutely correct.
Of course if TiVo (or somebody else) had sold a DVR that just recorded what people told it to with no monthly fee, the public's demand for the ability to hook it up outside of the cable company's control would have been greater as well.
What difference does it make who I pay the monthly fee to?
Another point is that the cable companies' attitude is/was shortsighted.
By making it harder for people to obtain timeshifting technology, they accelerated the move to watching video over the Internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287262</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>BAlGaInTl</author>
	<datestamp>1267208520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Precisely.

It is like comparing Apples to TiVos.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Precisely .
It is like comparing Apples to TiVos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Precisely.
It is like comparing Apples to TiVos.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286364</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267205700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure my wife and kids would enjoy sitting in front of a monitor and fiddling with software and a keyboard each time they want to watch a show.  Perhaps if  geeks made up the bulk  of humanity we would all just code our own OS and write our own software and user interface.  Since they (geeks) don't make  up the bulk of humanity , I guess companies will continue to try and make products that don't force everyone to build "a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $40 tuner card ".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure my wife and kids would enjoy sitting in front of a monitor and fiddling with software and a keyboard each time they want to watch a show .
Perhaps if geeks made up the bulk of humanity we would all just code our own OS and write our own software and user interface .
Since they ( geeks ) do n't make up the bulk of humanity , I guess companies will continue to try and make products that do n't force everyone to build " a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $ 40 tuner card " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure my wife and kids would enjoy sitting in front of a monitor and fiddling with software and a keyboard each time they want to watch a show.
Perhaps if  geeks made up the bulk  of humanity we would all just code our own OS and write our own software and user interface.
Since they (geeks) don't make  up the bulk of humanity , I guess companies will continue to try and make products that don't force everyone to build "a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $40 tuner card ".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285810</id>
	<title>TiVo is second class everything</title>
	<author>chrysrobyn</author>
	<datestamp>1267203720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 2001, I got my wife a TiVo for our anniversary present.  The monthly fee was acceptable.  We were two professionals and we had more than enough discretionary income to handle it.  I thought it was awesome that the device could talk to our Dish Network satellite decoder over IR.  And after setting "thumbs up" and "thumbs down", I really enjoyed the recommended shows when I wanted to watch TV but my wife was too busy to watch the shows we watched together.</p><p>That was around the time Enterprise came out, on some network that didn't have a proper affiliate in our area.  I called Dish to see if there was a way I could get them to add it, and they refused.  Some underpowered antenna 50 miles away claimed they served my zip code.  So, I turned to the Internet.  I found a web site I could download Enterprise from, and later, I found Limewire.  Two years later, I found BitTorrent, and in 2003, the TiVo and Dish subscriptions were cancelled.  Star Trek: Enterprise, of all things, forced me to piracy.  I had a university ethernet connection from 1995-1999 and I never turned to Napster -- that's got to say something (perhaps about my taste in TV but please forgive me).</p><p>I'll admit, it took a few years before I figured out all the automatic feeds for getting BitTorrent shows, but at this point, it works flawlessly.</p><p>TiVo only works by the grace of the TV networks.  Any pre-emption screws up your show.  Sorry.  TiVo's monthly fees cost more than any Myth schedule, and when I got my TiVo, the hard drives were practically guaranteed to fail in 3 years, which made the hardware investment pretty tough to understand for anyone with a standalone computer.</p><p>TiVo needs to get a deal going with a network.  Any of them.  Serve commercials and data related to what people watch and how, and make it 100\% reliable and legal.  In other words, beat Hulu in convenience but follow their lead for everything else.  TiVo should pay the same per eyeball fee that any local affiliate charges, and see what they can get for dedicated ads.  I bet the service takes off then.  I'd go back to legal TV if that happened.  At this point, I'm so accustomed to watching TV I downloaded a year before.  I only last week found out that Gil Grissom left CSI -- TV shows are so much better when you can watch the same show every night for weeks on end without cliff hangers.  You can really get to "know" characters a lot better.  I'm hoping to watch all of West Wing this summer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 2001 , I got my wife a TiVo for our anniversary present .
The monthly fee was acceptable .
We were two professionals and we had more than enough discretionary income to handle it .
I thought it was awesome that the device could talk to our Dish Network satellite decoder over IR .
And after setting " thumbs up " and " thumbs down " , I really enjoyed the recommended shows when I wanted to watch TV but my wife was too busy to watch the shows we watched together.That was around the time Enterprise came out , on some network that did n't have a proper affiliate in our area .
I called Dish to see if there was a way I could get them to add it , and they refused .
Some underpowered antenna 50 miles away claimed they served my zip code .
So , I turned to the Internet .
I found a web site I could download Enterprise from , and later , I found Limewire .
Two years later , I found BitTorrent , and in 2003 , the TiVo and Dish subscriptions were cancelled .
Star Trek : Enterprise , of all things , forced me to piracy .
I had a university ethernet connection from 1995-1999 and I never turned to Napster -- that 's got to say something ( perhaps about my taste in TV but please forgive me ) .I 'll admit , it took a few years before I figured out all the automatic feeds for getting BitTorrent shows , but at this point , it works flawlessly.TiVo only works by the grace of the TV networks .
Any pre-emption screws up your show .
Sorry. TiVo 's monthly fees cost more than any Myth schedule , and when I got my TiVo , the hard drives were practically guaranteed to fail in 3 years , which made the hardware investment pretty tough to understand for anyone with a standalone computer.TiVo needs to get a deal going with a network .
Any of them .
Serve commercials and data related to what people watch and how , and make it 100 \ % reliable and legal .
In other words , beat Hulu in convenience but follow their lead for everything else .
TiVo should pay the same per eyeball fee that any local affiliate charges , and see what they can get for dedicated ads .
I bet the service takes off then .
I 'd go back to legal TV if that happened .
At this point , I 'm so accustomed to watching TV I downloaded a year before .
I only last week found out that Gil Grissom left CSI -- TV shows are so much better when you can watch the same show every night for weeks on end without cliff hangers .
You can really get to " know " characters a lot better .
I 'm hoping to watch all of West Wing this summer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 2001, I got my wife a TiVo for our anniversary present.
The monthly fee was acceptable.
We were two professionals and we had more than enough discretionary income to handle it.
I thought it was awesome that the device could talk to our Dish Network satellite decoder over IR.
And after setting "thumbs up" and "thumbs down", I really enjoyed the recommended shows when I wanted to watch TV but my wife was too busy to watch the shows we watched together.That was around the time Enterprise came out, on some network that didn't have a proper affiliate in our area.
I called Dish to see if there was a way I could get them to add it, and they refused.
Some underpowered antenna 50 miles away claimed they served my zip code.
So, I turned to the Internet.
I found a web site I could download Enterprise from, and later, I found Limewire.
Two years later, I found BitTorrent, and in 2003, the TiVo and Dish subscriptions were cancelled.
Star Trek: Enterprise, of all things, forced me to piracy.
I had a university ethernet connection from 1995-1999 and I never turned to Napster -- that's got to say something (perhaps about my taste in TV but please forgive me).I'll admit, it took a few years before I figured out all the automatic feeds for getting BitTorrent shows, but at this point, it works flawlessly.TiVo only works by the grace of the TV networks.
Any pre-emption screws up your show.
Sorry.  TiVo's monthly fees cost more than any Myth schedule, and when I got my TiVo, the hard drives were practically guaranteed to fail in 3 years, which made the hardware investment pretty tough to understand for anyone with a standalone computer.TiVo needs to get a deal going with a network.
Any of them.
Serve commercials and data related to what people watch and how, and make it 100\% reliable and legal.
In other words, beat Hulu in convenience but follow their lead for everything else.
TiVo should pay the same per eyeball fee that any local affiliate charges, and see what they can get for dedicated ads.
I bet the service takes off then.
I'd go back to legal TV if that happened.
At this point, I'm so accustomed to watching TV I downloaded a year before.
I only last week found out that Gil Grissom left CSI -- TV shows are so much better when you can watch the same show every night for weeks on end without cliff hangers.
You can really get to "know" characters a lot better.
I'm hoping to watch all of West Wing this summer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284500</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1267196940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee. What? Why can't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record?</p></div><p>You can do exactly that.</p><p>I prefer to pay for the EPG data, so I don't have to look up times, and I get recommendations, season passes etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee .
What ? Why ca n't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record ? You can do exactly that.I prefer to pay for the EPG data , so I do n't have to look up times , and I get recommendations , season passes etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee.
What? Why can't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record?You can do exactly that.I prefer to pay for the EPG data, so I don't have to look up times, and I get recommendations, season passes etc.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288464</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Milk sells more units than iPods. Apple should start selling iMilk - they are missing out on a huge market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Milk sells more units than iPods .
Apple should start selling iMilk - they are missing out on a huge market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Milk sells more units than iPods.
Apple should start selling iMilk - they are missing out on a huge market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284090</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Binestar</author>
	<datestamp>1267194720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get lifetime subscription (The box, not you) for $400, so tack that $400 onto the price of the Tivo and see if it is worth it.  As a previous Tivo owner I was given $100 off a new Tivo and as a previous lifetime subscriber I was given $100 off the lifetime sub.  Even with that deal it was $700 for my Tivo HD XL.  A purchase that to me at least is well well worth it.</p><p>As for the monthly fee for the cable card, I was being charged more to rent an HD box from Time Warner, so my cable price went down slightly.  I was also able to sell my lifetime sub Series 2 (Which I had upgraded to the maximum of 2x127GB when drives failed) for $200.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get lifetime subscription ( The box , not you ) for $ 400 , so tack that $ 400 onto the price of the Tivo and see if it is worth it .
As a previous Tivo owner I was given $ 100 off a new Tivo and as a previous lifetime subscriber I was given $ 100 off the lifetime sub .
Even with that deal it was $ 700 for my Tivo HD XL .
A purchase that to me at least is well well worth it.As for the monthly fee for the cable card , I was being charged more to rent an HD box from Time Warner , so my cable price went down slightly .
I was also able to sell my lifetime sub Series 2 ( Which I had upgraded to the maximum of 2x127GB when drives failed ) for $ 200 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get lifetime subscription (The box, not you) for $400, so tack that $400 onto the price of the Tivo and see if it is worth it.
As a previous Tivo owner I was given $100 off a new Tivo and as a previous lifetime subscriber I was given $100 off the lifetime sub.
Even with that deal it was $700 for my Tivo HD XL.
A purchase that to me at least is well well worth it.As for the monthly fee for the cable card, I was being charged more to rent an HD box from Time Warner, so my cable price went down slightly.
I was also able to sell my lifetime sub Series 2 (Which I had upgraded to the maximum of 2x127GB when drives failed) for $200.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287602</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1267209780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree.  Who sells the iPod?  Steve Jobs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Who sells Windows?  Bill Gates<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Who sells Geico car insurance?  The Gecko<br> <br>
You don't necessarily need a person to sell stuff, but you do need SOME kind of marketing push, even for the most revolutionary of products.  People have cited cost here, but iPods aren't cheap, neither is Windows or Geico car insurance... but they've got good marketing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Who sells the iPod ?
Steve Jobs ... Who sells Windows ?
Bill Gates ... Who sells Geico car insurance ?
The Gecko You do n't necessarily need a person to sell stuff , but you do need SOME kind of marketing push , even for the most revolutionary of products .
People have cited cost here , but iPods are n't cheap , neither is Windows or Geico car insurance... but they 've got good marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Who sells the iPod?
Steve Jobs ... Who sells Windows?
Bill Gates ... Who sells Geico car insurance?
The Gecko 
You don't necessarily need a person to sell stuff, but you do need SOME kind of marketing push, even for the most revolutionary of products.
People have cited cost here, but iPods aren't cheap, neither is Windows or Geico car insurance... but they've got good marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283998</id>
	<title>I just farted:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>volume: 3/10<br>
duration: 6/10<br>
aroma: 6/10</htmltext>
<tokenext>volume : 3/10 duration : 6/10 aroma : 6/10</tokentext>
<sentencetext>volume: 3/10
duration: 6/10
aroma: 6/10</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283984</id>
	<title>Why are markets for</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1267194000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as cable box manufacturers are selling boxes to cable companies, instead of to consumers, I'm not sure how things will get better. I guess this is a difference between the "end-to-end" model of the Internet and other networks such as the cable network.</p><p>Everyone I have discussed CableCards with has basically come to the same conclusion: the cable companies wanted it to fail. I think this stems from their desire to keep control out of the hands of consumers; anything that breaks that principle must be marginalized as much as possible. You see the same deal with locked handsets from the mobile phone companies... they take a perfectly decent piece of hardware, flash their shitty branded firmware on it that actually disables features built in to the phone, then try to sell those features back to you (or in my case, don't offer them).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as cable box manufacturers are selling boxes to cable companies , instead of to consumers , I 'm not sure how things will get better .
I guess this is a difference between the " end-to-end " model of the Internet and other networks such as the cable network.Everyone I have discussed CableCards with has basically come to the same conclusion : the cable companies wanted it to fail .
I think this stems from their desire to keep control out of the hands of consumers ; anything that breaks that principle must be marginalized as much as possible .
You see the same deal with locked handsets from the mobile phone companies... they take a perfectly decent piece of hardware , flash their shitty branded firmware on it that actually disables features built in to the phone , then try to sell those features back to you ( or in my case , do n't offer them ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as cable box manufacturers are selling boxes to cable companies, instead of to consumers, I'm not sure how things will get better.
I guess this is a difference between the "end-to-end" model of the Internet and other networks such as the cable network.Everyone I have discussed CableCards with has basically come to the same conclusion: the cable companies wanted it to fail.
I think this stems from their desire to keep control out of the hands of consumers; anything that breaks that principle must be marginalized as much as possible.
You see the same deal with locked handsets from the mobile phone companies... they take a perfectly decent piece of hardware, flash their shitty branded firmware on it that actually disables features built in to the phone, then try to sell those features back to you (or in my case, don't offer them).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283994</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely that depends on what type of "time shifting" you mean. If you're talking about "recording to watch later" then VCRs do it, but "live TV pausing" time-shifts are presumably new to newer technology like the TiVo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely that depends on what type of " time shifting " you mean .
If you 're talking about " recording to watch later " then VCRs do it , but " live TV pausing " time-shifts are presumably new to newer technology like the TiVo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely that depends on what type of "time shifting" you mean.
If you're talking about "recording to watch later" then VCRs do it, but "live TV pausing" time-shifts are presumably new to newer technology like the TiVo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285776</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Aidtopia</author>
	<datestamp>1267203600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm pretty sure that "recording device" is not the same thing as "timeshifter". A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling.</p></div></blockquote><p>It's true that what a DVR does is different than what you could do with a VCR, but what you can do with a VCR is properly called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time\_shifting" title="wikipedia.org">time shifting</a> [wikipedia.org].  In fact, that term became popular during the Betamax case.  It was determined that "time shifting" was a legal use of VCRs, and since VCRs had legal uses, they couldn't be banned as copyright infringement devices.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure that " recording device " is not the same thing as " timeshifter " .
A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling.It 's true that what a DVR does is different than what you could do with a VCR , but what you can do with a VCR is properly called time shifting [ wikipedia.org ] .
In fact , that term became popular during the Betamax case .
It was determined that " time shifting " was a legal use of VCRs , and since VCRs had legal uses , they could n't be banned as copyright infringement devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure that "recording device" is not the same thing as "timeshifter".
A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling.It's true that what a DVR does is different than what you could do with a VCR, but what you can do with a VCR is properly called time shifting [wikipedia.org].
In fact, that term became popular during the Betamax case.
It was determined that "time shifting" was a legal use of VCRs, and since VCRs had legal uses, they couldn't be banned as copyright infringement devices.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284612</id>
	<title>Re:Apples and Oranges</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1267197540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Especially when you consider that an average household might have one shared TiVo box but might have one ipod and one iphone each. Even if TiVo sold a whole lot more it's highly unlikely they'll reach the same amount.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially when you consider that an average household might have one shared TiVo box but might have one ipod and one iphone each .
Even if TiVo sold a whole lot more it 's highly unlikely they 'll reach the same amount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially when you consider that an average household might have one shared TiVo box but might have one ipod and one iphone each.
Even if TiVo sold a whole lot more it's highly unlikely they'll reach the same amount.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285546</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1267202520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I don't get the "no competition" angle, either.  It seems like TFAuthor lacks a few important clues, not just the VCR=time shift that's dominated so many threads.</p><p>I've been watching TV on an iMac for 4 years now, ever since I brought home a Plextor demodulator-encoder, which came bundled with EyeTV.  Streaming MPEG video into USB, straight from my cableco's clear QAM.  I haven't voluntarily watched a commercial at home for four years, and seldom watch anything live, or even from the live buffer.  When I refer to it in front of an audience of non-geeks, I just call it a Tivo.  At work, when we offer a buffered, streamed surveillance camera, we call the function a "Tivo capability," for the non-technical.  The word is like Kleenex now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I do n't get the " no competition " angle , either .
It seems like TFAuthor lacks a few important clues , not just the VCR = time shift that 's dominated so many threads.I 've been watching TV on an iMac for 4 years now , ever since I brought home a Plextor demodulator-encoder , which came bundled with EyeTV .
Streaming MPEG video into USB , straight from my cableco 's clear QAM .
I have n't voluntarily watched a commercial at home for four years , and seldom watch anything live , or even from the live buffer .
When I refer to it in front of an audience of non-geeks , I just call it a Tivo .
At work , when we offer a buffered , streamed surveillance camera , we call the function a " Tivo capability , " for the non-technical .
The word is like Kleenex now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I don't get the "no competition" angle, either.
It seems like TFAuthor lacks a few important clues, not just the VCR=time shift that's dominated so many threads.I've been watching TV on an iMac for 4 years now, ever since I brought home a Plextor demodulator-encoder, which came bundled with EyeTV.
Streaming MPEG video into USB, straight from my cableco's clear QAM.
I haven't voluntarily watched a commercial at home for four years, and seldom watch anything live, or even from the live buffer.
When I refer to it in front of an audience of non-geeks, I just call it a Tivo.
At work, when we offer a buffered, streamed surveillance camera, we call the function a "Tivo capability," for the non-technical.
The word is like Kleenex now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284272</id>
	<title>iPhone I've heard of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267195740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but what is this TiVo?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but what is this TiVo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but what is this TiVo?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287160</id>
	<title>Sold my TiVo when it became obsolete</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267208220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Poster has it wrong, TiVo has no future.  Internet services have made cable, satellite, and TiVo obsolete.  TiVo depends on inconvenient scheduled broadcasts to be relevant, and obnoxious commercials to be removed.  With internet downloads and streaming, there's no reason to have a TiVo or time-shift device because there's no inconvenience to remove.  The DRMed, tightly and remotely-controlled spy TiVo platform was unattractive and now has no reason to exist.</p><p>I had a TiVo with DirecTV.  It was an improvement over VHS recording.  However, there was no DVD burner and no transfer to PCs.  It needed a phone line because DirecTV made it so and kept it so.  DirecTV cancelled BBC America etc...  Meanwhile, more shows became viewable online without copyright issues.  DirecTV also made noises about retiring TiVos.  Here's what I did:</p><p>a) I got rid of our phone landline and saved money<br>b) I got rid of DirecTV service and saved money<br>c) I download what I can without copyright issues, and for the rest there's Hulu, Netflix, and simply buying DVDs of shows.<br>d) I don't have to suffer through obnoxious commercials<br>e) TiVo can't spy on us anymore<br>f) We can burn copies to DVD (except Hulu and Netflix, but why would we care to for those?)</p><p>TiVo has become irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Poster has it wrong , TiVo has no future .
Internet services have made cable , satellite , and TiVo obsolete .
TiVo depends on inconvenient scheduled broadcasts to be relevant , and obnoxious commercials to be removed .
With internet downloads and streaming , there 's no reason to have a TiVo or time-shift device because there 's no inconvenience to remove .
The DRMed , tightly and remotely-controlled spy TiVo platform was unattractive and now has no reason to exist.I had a TiVo with DirecTV .
It was an improvement over VHS recording .
However , there was no DVD burner and no transfer to PCs .
It needed a phone line because DirecTV made it so and kept it so .
DirecTV cancelled BBC America etc... Meanwhile , more shows became viewable online without copyright issues .
DirecTV also made noises about retiring TiVos .
Here 's what I did : a ) I got rid of our phone landline and saved moneyb ) I got rid of DirecTV service and saved moneyc ) I download what I can without copyright issues , and for the rest there 's Hulu , Netflix , and simply buying DVDs of shows.d ) I do n't have to suffer through obnoxious commercialse ) TiVo ca n't spy on us anymoref ) We can burn copies to DVD ( except Hulu and Netflix , but why would we care to for those ?
) TiVo has become irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poster has it wrong, TiVo has no future.
Internet services have made cable, satellite, and TiVo obsolete.
TiVo depends on inconvenient scheduled broadcasts to be relevant, and obnoxious commercials to be removed.
With internet downloads and streaming, there's no reason to have a TiVo or time-shift device because there's no inconvenience to remove.
The DRMed, tightly and remotely-controlled spy TiVo platform was unattractive and now has no reason to exist.I had a TiVo with DirecTV.
It was an improvement over VHS recording.
However, there was no DVD burner and no transfer to PCs.
It needed a phone line because DirecTV made it so and kept it so.
DirecTV cancelled BBC America etc...  Meanwhile, more shows became viewable online without copyright issues.
DirecTV also made noises about retiring TiVos.
Here's what I did:a) I got rid of our phone landline and saved moneyb) I got rid of DirecTV service and saved moneyc) I download what I can without copyright issues, and for the rest there's Hulu, Netflix, and simply buying DVDs of shows.d) I don't have to suffer through obnoxious commercialse) TiVo can't spy on us anymoref) We can burn copies to DVD (except Hulu and Netflix, but why would we care to for those?
)TiVo has become irrelevant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284440</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>j00r0m4nc3r</author>
	<datestamp>1267196640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>one should learn about history</i> <br> <br>
History doesn't begin at the VCR, and I think your definition of timershifter is off. I would argue that if you're going to consider a VCR a timeshifter, then you should also consider the phonograph and the human memory cortex timeshifters as well. I'm pretty sure that "recording device" is not the same thing as "timeshifter". A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling. View and Chronicle are separate timelines. This is impossible with a VCR. It could probably be achieved with a complicated array of VCRs, but that invention does not exist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>one should learn about history History does n't begin at the VCR , and I think your definition of timershifter is off .
I would argue that if you 're going to consider a VCR a timeshifter , then you should also consider the phonograph and the human memory cortex timeshifters as well .
I 'm pretty sure that " recording device " is not the same thing as " timeshifter " .
A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling .
View and Chronicle are separate timelines .
This is impossible with a VCR .
It could probably be achieved with a complicated array of VCRs , but that invention does not exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one should learn about history  
History doesn't begin at the VCR, and I think your definition of timershifter is off.
I would argue that if you're going to consider a VCR a timeshifter, then you should also consider the phonograph and the human memory cortex timeshifters as well.
I'm pretty sure that "recording device" is not the same thing as "timeshifter".
A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling.
View and Chronicle are separate timelines.
This is impossible with a VCR.
It could probably be achieved with a complicated array of VCRs, but that invention does not exist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31292314</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee + Corporate Farkwads</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1267187820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$16?  Try $9.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 16 ?
Try $ 9 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$16?
Try $9.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284708</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267198140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;should also consider the phonograph and the human memory cortex timeshifters as well.</p><p>The term "timeshifting" was invented with the VCR (another popular term was tape-delayed), because it allowed people to make their own schedules, rather than being shackled to the TV Guide.  I know with my VCR I almost never watch anything live - it tapes at night and I "timeshift" to the next afternoon when I get home from work.</p><p>The photograph was typically called by 1800s observers as "capturing time" because it froze a moment forever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; should also consider the phonograph and the human memory cortex timeshifters as well.The term " timeshifting " was invented with the VCR ( another popular term was tape-delayed ) , because it allowed people to make their own schedules , rather than being shackled to the TV Guide .
I know with my VCR I almost never watch anything live - it tapes at night and I " timeshift " to the next afternoon when I get home from work.The photograph was typically called by 1800s observers as " capturing time " because it froze a moment forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;should also consider the phonograph and the human memory cortex timeshifters as well.The term "timeshifting" was invented with the VCR (another popular term was tape-delayed), because it allowed people to make their own schedules, rather than being shackled to the TV Guide.
I know with my VCR I almost never watch anything live - it tapes at night and I "timeshift" to the next afternoon when I get home from work.The photograph was typically called by 1800s observers as "capturing time" because it froze a moment forever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285360</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Rolgar</author>
	<datestamp>1267201620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Search for <a href="http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=dvd+recorder+with+hard+drive&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=NuaHS-6KCYi0Nqyk0dIO&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=product\_result\_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CC8QrQQwAA" title="google.com">DVD Recorders with a Hard Drive</a> [google.com]. I responded to the parent mentioning a Philips unit I'm interested in with upscaling so I'd be able to watch DVDs and recorded materials on a high definition TV in the future. A buddy asked my opinion, and I recommended that or another unit I'd found that was region free with upscaling that I though he might be interested in because his girlfriend is from China. Pioneer or Samsung make such a device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Search for DVD Recorders with a Hard Drive [ google.com ] .
I responded to the parent mentioning a Philips unit I 'm interested in with upscaling so I 'd be able to watch DVDs and recorded materials on a high definition TV in the future .
A buddy asked my opinion , and I recommended that or another unit I 'd found that was region free with upscaling that I though he might be interested in because his girlfriend is from China .
Pioneer or Samsung make such a device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Search for DVD Recorders with a Hard Drive [google.com].
I responded to the parent mentioning a Philips unit I'm interested in with upscaling so I'd be able to watch DVDs and recorded materials on a high definition TV in the future.
A buddy asked my opinion, and I recommended that or another unit I'd found that was region free with upscaling that I though he might be interested in because his girlfriend is from China.
Pioneer or Samsung make such a device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288264</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>sdnick</author>
	<datestamp>1267211820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new.  It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969.  That VCR was too expensive, so Sony went back and created the Betamax (anc JVC copied it to create VHS) in 1975.  DVR is not even the first digital recording method  - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.  -----  People have been time-shifting for decades.  All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.  Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.</p></div><p>I'd say replacing the sequential access of a tape drive with random access and the ability to write one portion of a program while reading earlier portions qualifies as revolutionary change. For most people, the "wow" factor of the DVR comes from the ability to continue program recording while they pause their viewing. This can't be done with a tape drive. Also, Tivo was the first service I know of to make this sort of programming manipulation easy to do, with a built in scheduling guide and a user-interface that's still the best I've seen in DVRs.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> <b>As for why Tivo is not more popular?    </b>  Because there are tons of other options.  I have a Panasonic ReplayTV that has no subscription fees whatsoever.  Ditto my Dish DTVpal which cost $250 flat and no subscription fees.  It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.</p><p>Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee, then they'd takeoff like iPod, but most people simply don't see the need to throw-away money like that.  They have to budget their spending, which means they choose options without the fees (like I did).</p></div><p>The reason I finally gave up my TiVO is because DirecTV made it impossible to use DVR features with their HD programming unless you use DirecTV's DVRs. And this kind of lockout is a very big reason - perhaps the biggest reason - behind "why Tivo is not more popular". It wouldn't bother me nearly as much if DirecTV's DVRs were even close to Tivo's in terms of user-interface, responsiveness and ease of use.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new .
It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969 .
That VCR was too expensive , so Sony went back and created the Betamax ( anc JVC copied it to create VHS ) in 1975 .
DVR is not even the first digital recording method - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s .
----- People have been time-shifting for decades .
All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage .
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.I 'd say replacing the sequential access of a tape drive with random access and the ability to write one portion of a program while reading earlier portions qualifies as revolutionary change .
For most people , the " wow " factor of the DVR comes from the ability to continue program recording while they pause their viewing .
This ca n't be done with a tape drive .
Also , Tivo was the first service I know of to make this sort of programming manipulation easy to do , with a built in scheduling guide and a user-interface that 's still the best I 've seen in DVRs .
As for why Tivo is not more popular ?
Because there are tons of other options .
I have a Panasonic ReplayTV that has no subscription fees whatsoever .
Ditto my Dish DTVpal which cost $ 250 flat and no subscription fees .
It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee , then they 'd takeoff like iPod , but most people simply do n't see the need to throw-away money like that .
They have to budget their spending , which means they choose options without the fees ( like I did ) .The reason I finally gave up my TiVO is because DirecTV made it impossible to use DVR features with their HD programming unless you use DirecTV 's DVRs .
And this kind of lockout is a very big reason - perhaps the biggest reason - behind " why Tivo is not more popular " .
It would n't bother me nearly as much if DirecTV 's DVRs were even close to Tivo 's in terms of user-interface , responsiveness and ease of use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new.
It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969.
That VCR was too expensive, so Sony went back and created the Betamax (anc JVC copied it to create VHS) in 1975.
DVR is not even the first digital recording method  - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.
-----  People have been time-shifting for decades.
All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.I'd say replacing the sequential access of a tape drive with random access and the ability to write one portion of a program while reading earlier portions qualifies as revolutionary change.
For most people, the "wow" factor of the DVR comes from the ability to continue program recording while they pause their viewing.
This can't be done with a tape drive.
Also, Tivo was the first service I know of to make this sort of programming manipulation easy to do, with a built in scheduling guide and a user-interface that's still the best I've seen in DVRs.
As for why Tivo is not more popular?
Because there are tons of other options.
I have a Panasonic ReplayTV that has no subscription fees whatsoever.
Ditto my Dish DTVpal which cost $250 flat and no subscription fees.
It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee, then they'd takeoff like iPod, but most people simply don't see the need to throw-away money like that.
They have to budget their spending, which means they choose options without the fees (like I did).The reason I finally gave up my TiVO is because DirecTV made it impossible to use DVR features with their HD programming unless you use DirecTV's DVRs.
And this kind of lockout is a very big reason - perhaps the biggest reason - behind "why Tivo is not more popular".
It wouldn't bother me nearly as much if DirecTV's DVRs were even close to Tivo's in terms of user-interface, responsiveness and ease of use.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288584</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Ray</author>
	<datestamp>1267212840000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a quibble (that's what<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'s for, right?). JVC didn't copy Sony. The companies worked together to create working conceptual models and VHS was the first version. Beta was the second, hence the name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a quibble ( that 's what / .
's for , right ? ) .
JVC did n't copy Sony .
The companies worked together to create working conceptual models and VHS was the first version .
Beta was the second , hence the name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a quibble (that's what /.
's for, right?).
JVC didn't copy Sony.
The companies worked together to create working conceptual models and VHS was the first version.
Beta was the second, hence the name.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Some corrections on Tivo vs Cable and DVRs</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1267179120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>the old computer eats almost that much power every month (assuming 40 watts for a tivo and 200 watts for a computer, running 24/7).</p></div></blockquote><p>My "old computer" eats 60 watts while idle, up to 100 only while very busy.</p><p>My "old computer" was a new computer when I bought it for $300USD.  Now it's gone 7 years, though my many switches between 3 cable companies, 2 satellite companies, and now, OTA digital HDTV, all for a pittance.  My new HDTV tuner and new remote ran all of $50USD.  Vastly larger hard drive eventually went in, for all of $100.  Video card already did hardware acceleration and had DVI outputs when I bought it.  Oh yeah, went through 2 power supplies in that time, for $25 each.  How Tivos would you have gone through in that same stretch of time and changing requirements?  I'm sure your SD Tivo isn't getting a $50 HDTV upgrade off the shelf...</p><p>And in addition to all this, I can trivially edit out commercials, and reencode anything I want to save to 10X smaller (but still high quality video).  I regularly SSH between my desktop and my DVR, even running apps like OpenOffice on the DVR, over the network, because it's just less hassle than installing it again...  Use my DVR in my work to have an off-site shell account for performing port-scans and similar.</p><p>And did I mention it plays all my DVDs, in fact ANY format on ANY media, pictures, MP3s, Oggs, etc?  Not to menting RECORDING all of the above onto CDs/DVDs, or transferring onto external USB devices trivially?  Routinely used to download all my torrents, since it's going to be on anyhow, saving my desktop PC from the job.</p><p>So, I AM saving the $10/mo., plus most the purchase price of the device at least 3 times over, plus getting far more functionality out of it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>the old computer eats almost that much power every month ( assuming 40 watts for a tivo and 200 watts for a computer , running 24/7 ) .My " old computer " eats 60 watts while idle , up to 100 only while very busy.My " old computer " was a new computer when I bought it for $ 300USD .
Now it 's gone 7 years , though my many switches between 3 cable companies , 2 satellite companies , and now , OTA digital HDTV , all for a pittance .
My new HDTV tuner and new remote ran all of $ 50USD .
Vastly larger hard drive eventually went in , for all of $ 100 .
Video card already did hardware acceleration and had DVI outputs when I bought it .
Oh yeah , went through 2 power supplies in that time , for $ 25 each .
How Tivos would you have gone through in that same stretch of time and changing requirements ?
I 'm sure your SD Tivo is n't getting a $ 50 HDTV upgrade off the shelf...And in addition to all this , I can trivially edit out commercials , and reencode anything I want to save to 10X smaller ( but still high quality video ) .
I regularly SSH between my desktop and my DVR , even running apps like OpenOffice on the DVR , over the network , because it 's just less hassle than installing it again... Use my DVR in my work to have an off-site shell account for performing port-scans and similar.And did I mention it plays all my DVDs , in fact ANY format on ANY media , pictures , MP3s , Oggs , etc ?
Not to menting RECORDING all of the above onto CDs/DVDs , or transferring onto external USB devices trivially ?
Routinely used to download all my torrents , since it 's going to be on anyhow , saving my desktop PC from the job.So , I AM saving the $ 10/mo. , plus most the purchase price of the device at least 3 times over , plus getting far more functionality out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the old computer eats almost that much power every month (assuming 40 watts for a tivo and 200 watts for a computer, running 24/7).My "old computer" eats 60 watts while idle, up to 100 only while very busy.My "old computer" was a new computer when I bought it for $300USD.
Now it's gone 7 years, though my many switches between 3 cable companies, 2 satellite companies, and now, OTA digital HDTV, all for a pittance.
My new HDTV tuner and new remote ran all of $50USD.
Vastly larger hard drive eventually went in, for all of $100.
Video card already did hardware acceleration and had DVI outputs when I bought it.
Oh yeah, went through 2 power supplies in that time, for $25 each.
How Tivos would you have gone through in that same stretch of time and changing requirements?
I'm sure your SD Tivo isn't getting a $50 HDTV upgrade off the shelf...And in addition to all this, I can trivially edit out commercials, and reencode anything I want to save to 10X smaller (but still high quality video).
I regularly SSH between my desktop and my DVR, even running apps like OpenOffice on the DVR, over the network, because it's just less hassle than installing it again...  Use my DVR in my work to have an off-site shell account for performing port-scans and similar.And did I mention it plays all my DVDs, in fact ANY format on ANY media, pictures, MP3s, Oggs, etc?
Not to menting RECORDING all of the above onto CDs/DVDs, or transferring onto external USB devices trivially?
Routinely used to download all my torrents, since it's going to be on anyhow, saving my desktop PC from the job.So, I AM saving the $10/mo., plus most the purchase price of the device at least 3 times over, plus getting far more functionality out of it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288634</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>Hobbiticus</author>
	<datestamp>1267213080000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really hate reading this.  "I love Myth, but it required me to actually do some work".  Remind us all again how much that software cost you???</p></div><p>See, that's exactly the kind of mindset that I don't like about open source software in general (specifically just about anything that's developed for the linux platform).</p><p>I want to use open source software - I *really* do.  However, in many cases, the developers do not make user friendliness and ease of use a priority.  This usually manifests itself in the configuration of the software.  <b>If the software isn't usable, it's not going to be used</b>, no matter how much the software costs.  So, if you want your hard work to be used, tear down the barrier to entry as much as you possibly can.</p><p>

That said, I use MythTV as my DVR and the only MS products on my computer are Windows 7 and Visual Studio.  I greatly appreciate all of the work in the open source community.  This is just a pet peeve of mine and many others.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I really hate reading this .
" I love Myth , but it required me to actually do some work " .
Remind us all again how much that software cost you ? ?
? See , that 's exactly the kind of mindset that I do n't like about open source software in general ( specifically just about anything that 's developed for the linux platform ) .I want to use open source software - I * really * do .
However , in many cases , the developers do not make user friendliness and ease of use a priority .
This usually manifests itself in the configuration of the software .
If the software is n't usable , it 's not going to be used , no matter how much the software costs .
So , if you want your hard work to be used , tear down the barrier to entry as much as you possibly can .
That said , I use MythTV as my DVR and the only MS products on my computer are Windows 7 and Visual Studio .
I greatly appreciate all of the work in the open source community .
This is just a pet peeve of mine and many others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hate reading this.
"I love Myth, but it required me to actually do some work".
Remind us all again how much that software cost you??
?See, that's exactly the kind of mindset that I don't like about open source software in general (specifically just about anything that's developed for the linux platform).I want to use open source software - I *really* do.
However, in many cases, the developers do not make user friendliness and ease of use a priority.
This usually manifests itself in the configuration of the software.
If the software isn't usable, it's not going to be used, no matter how much the software costs.
So, if you want your hard work to be used, tear down the barrier to entry as much as you possibly can.
That said, I use MythTV as my DVR and the only MS products on my computer are Windows 7 and Visual Studio.
I greatly appreciate all of the work in the open source community.
This is just a pet peeve of mine and many others.
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	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267197480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have two such machines. Panasonic, its DVD writer broke. Bought a Phillips. That too can do time/date based recording. It is a pain in the neck to program, and the user interface sucks. But I have been using it for the last 4 years. Panasonic makes it very easy to mark "chapters" as you are watching. I mark interesting jokes from Jay Leno, Jon Stewart, Colbert. I also record the disaster shows and such from Discovery/History channel, mark all the ads and delete them. Then I burn them into DVDs. I have something like 30 hours of  distilled Jay Leno, just the good jokes, Headlines, JayWalking etc. <p>
Never paid a monthly fee. When the DVD writer broke I was astounded to see the same model selling at 1800$ in Ebay. I bought mine for some 450$. The only piece of electronic equipment that went up in value in three years. Market is sending strong signals. The greedy cable cos are not listening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two such machines .
Panasonic , its DVD writer broke .
Bought a Phillips .
That too can do time/date based recording .
It is a pain in the neck to program , and the user interface sucks .
But I have been using it for the last 4 years .
Panasonic makes it very easy to mark " chapters " as you are watching .
I mark interesting jokes from Jay Leno , Jon Stewart , Colbert .
I also record the disaster shows and such from Discovery/History channel , mark all the ads and delete them .
Then I burn them into DVDs .
I have something like 30 hours of distilled Jay Leno , just the good jokes , Headlines , JayWalking etc .
Never paid a monthly fee .
When the DVD writer broke I was astounded to see the same model selling at 1800 $ in Ebay .
I bought mine for some 450 $ .
The only piece of electronic equipment that went up in value in three years .
Market is sending strong signals .
The greedy cable cos are not listening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two such machines.
Panasonic, its DVD writer broke.
Bought a Phillips.
That too can do time/date based recording.
It is a pain in the neck to program, and the user interface sucks.
But I have been using it for the last 4 years.
Panasonic makes it very easy to mark "chapters" as you are watching.
I mark interesting jokes from Jay Leno, Jon Stewart, Colbert.
I also record the disaster shows and such from Discovery/History channel, mark all the ads and delete them.
Then I burn them into DVDs.
I have something like 30 hours of  distilled Jay Leno, just the good jokes, Headlines, JayWalking etc.
Never paid a monthly fee.
When the DVD writer broke I was astounded to see the same model selling at 1800$ in Ebay.
I bought mine for some 450$.
The only piece of electronic equipment that went up in value in three years.
Market is sending strong signals.
The greedy cable cos are not listening.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>Hammor</author>
	<datestamp>1267202340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For me, I never got a Tivo because of the cost.  You need to purchase the equipment and then pay a monthly fee.</p> </div><p>I have a MythTV, and ever since that debacle with commercial builders flouting the terms of service at Zap2it Labs I have been paying <a href="http://schedulesdirect.com/" title="schedulesdirect.com" rel="nofollow">Schedules Direct</a> [schedulesdirect.com] for my channel guide.</p><p>The lesson from Schedules Direct is that plenty of people who use Open Source are willing to pay for a service that has value.</p></div>
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<tokenext>For me , I never got a Tivo because of the cost .
You need to purchase the equipment and then pay a monthly fee .
I have a MythTV , and ever since that debacle with commercial builders flouting the terms of service at Zap2it Labs I have been paying Schedules Direct [ schedulesdirect.com ] for my channel guide.The lesson from Schedules Direct is that plenty of people who use Open Source are willing to pay for a service that has value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, I never got a Tivo because of the cost.
You need to purchase the equipment and then pay a monthly fee.
I have a MythTV, and ever since that debacle with commercial builders flouting the terms of service at Zap2it Labs I have been paying Schedules Direct [schedulesdirect.com] for my channel guide.The lesson from Schedules Direct is that plenty of people who use Open Source are willing to pay for a service that has value.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284086</id>
	<title>It's hard to see how TiVo could really survive.</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1267194660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The trouble is that, as a basic technical task, doing what a Tivo does isn't rocket surgery(particularly now that more broadcasts and cable transmissions are already being transmitted in a nice compressed digital format, and computing power gets ever cheaper. Tivo still wins over the competition in terms of having a UI and attention to quality that isn't utter crap, unlike most of the cable-bundled boxes; but, because of the technical workings of cable, that doesn't really help them enough.<br> <br>

With computers, there is room for the "more expensive but better user experience/interface" option, because all a computer has to do to interact with the internet is speak a few common networking protocols. Even if your ISP has never heard of mac or linux or whatever, that just means that their phone drones won't help you configure.<br> <br>

With cable, the cable companies rule with an iron fist, and have (largely successfully) resisted any efforts to change that. Cablecard is a clusterfuck. One can only assume that it was intended to fail(or, at least, those who wanted it to fail assigned it a task so difficult that no good faith implementation could possibly work properly). This gives first-party boxes a huge advantage over Tivos in all but cases of serious enthusiasts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble is that , as a basic technical task , doing what a Tivo does is n't rocket surgery ( particularly now that more broadcasts and cable transmissions are already being transmitted in a nice compressed digital format , and computing power gets ever cheaper .
Tivo still wins over the competition in terms of having a UI and attention to quality that is n't utter crap , unlike most of the cable-bundled boxes ; but , because of the technical workings of cable , that does n't really help them enough .
With computers , there is room for the " more expensive but better user experience/interface " option , because all a computer has to do to interact with the internet is speak a few common networking protocols .
Even if your ISP has never heard of mac or linux or whatever , that just means that their phone drones wo n't help you configure .
With cable , the cable companies rule with an iron fist , and have ( largely successfully ) resisted any efforts to change that .
Cablecard is a clusterfuck .
One can only assume that it was intended to fail ( or , at least , those who wanted it to fail assigned it a task so difficult that no good faith implementation could possibly work properly ) .
This gives first-party boxes a huge advantage over Tivos in all but cases of serious enthusiasts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble is that, as a basic technical task, doing what a Tivo does isn't rocket surgery(particularly now that more broadcasts and cable transmissions are already being transmitted in a nice compressed digital format, and computing power gets ever cheaper.
Tivo still wins over the competition in terms of having a UI and attention to quality that isn't utter crap, unlike most of the cable-bundled boxes; but, because of the technical workings of cable, that doesn't really help them enough.
With computers, there is room for the "more expensive but better user experience/interface" option, because all a computer has to do to interact with the internet is speak a few common networking protocols.
Even if your ISP has never heard of mac or linux or whatever, that just means that their phone drones won't help you configure.
With cable, the cable companies rule with an iron fist, and have (largely successfully) resisted any efforts to change that.
Cablecard is a clusterfuck.
One can only assume that it was intended to fail(or, at least, those who wanted it to fail assigned it a task so difficult that no good faith implementation could possibly work properly).
This gives first-party boxes a huge advantage over Tivos in all but cases of serious enthusiasts.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:DirecTV and TiVo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267197660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What's holding it up is that DTV isn't really interested. They're official working on it, but in practice, it's quite obvious that the unsaid message is "if this succeeds, HR2x fails".</p><p>Posting anonymously since I'm working on the integration of the new tivo box...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's holding it up is that DTV is n't really interested .
They 're official working on it , but in practice , it 's quite obvious that the unsaid message is " if this succeeds , HR2x fails " .Posting anonymously since I 'm working on the integration of the new tivo box.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's holding it up is that DTV isn't really interested.
They're official working on it, but in practice, it's quite obvious that the unsaid message is "if this succeeds, HR2x fails".Posting anonymously since I'm working on the integration of the new tivo box...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285828</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Mr\_Silver</author>
	<datestamp>1267203900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Surely that depends on what type of "time shifting" you mean. If you're talking about "recording to watch later" then VCRs do it, but "live TV pausing" time-shifts are presumably new to newer technology like the TiVo.</p></div></blockquote><p>I've worked with a number of set top box hardware and firmware providers and they call the latter functionality (that is, pausing live TV and then playing it back whilst the programme is still being recorded) "chase play".</p></div>
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<tokenext>Surely that depends on what type of " time shifting " you mean .
If you 're talking about " recording to watch later " then VCRs do it , but " live TV pausing " time-shifts are presumably new to newer technology like the TiVo.I 've worked with a number of set top box hardware and firmware providers and they call the latter functionality ( that is , pausing live TV and then playing it back whilst the programme is still being recorded ) " chase play " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely that depends on what type of "time shifting" you mean.
If you're talking about "recording to watch later" then VCRs do it, but "live TV pausing" time-shifts are presumably new to newer technology like the TiVo.I've worked with a number of set top box hardware and firmware providers and they call the latter functionality (that is, pausing live TV and then playing it back whilst the programme is still being recorded) "chase play".
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	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267198020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I really cannot understand the monthly service fee. I never bought one because of it. On the other hand I have DishNetwork with a DVR and my friends tell me it is better than crap TiVO and I just pay for the satellite service $40/Month. Beat that TiVO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really can not understand the monthly service fee .
I never bought one because of it .
On the other hand I have DishNetwork with a DVR and my friends tell me it is better than crap TiVO and I just pay for the satellite service $ 40/Month .
Beat that TiVO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really cannot understand the monthly service fee.
I never bought one because of it.
On the other hand I have DishNetwork with a DVR and my friends tell me it is better than crap TiVO and I just pay for the satellite service $40/Month.
Beat that TiVO.</sentencetext>
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	<title>way too expensive and no broadband support</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1267194780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The $300 investment plus the monthly fees is way too much. my Time Warner Cable DVR costs $12.95 a month. and i can upgrade anytime a new model hits their inventory every few years.</p><p>TIVO didn't have any broadband support for years after it became popular. i had Vonage since 2003 and couldn't get TIVO because supposedly it didn't work.</p><p>my Time Warner DVR isn't the greatest and the new software upgrade last year sucks and is slow as molasses, but its still enough to keep me from spending $300 on a TIVO. and my cable company DVR will record HD with no problem</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The $ 300 investment plus the monthly fees is way too much .
my Time Warner Cable DVR costs $ 12.95 a month .
and i can upgrade anytime a new model hits their inventory every few years.TIVO did n't have any broadband support for years after it became popular .
i had Vonage since 2003 and could n't get TIVO because supposedly it did n't work.my Time Warner DVR is n't the greatest and the new software upgrade last year sucks and is slow as molasses , but its still enough to keep me from spending $ 300 on a TIVO .
and my cable company DVR will record HD with no problem</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The $300 investment plus the monthly fees is way too much.
my Time Warner Cable DVR costs $12.95 a month.
and i can upgrade anytime a new model hits their inventory every few years.TIVO didn't have any broadband support for years after it became popular.
i had Vonage since 2003 and couldn't get TIVO because supposedly it didn't work.my Time Warner DVR isn't the greatest and the new software upgrade last year sucks and is slow as molasses, but its still enough to keep me from spending $300 on a TIVO.
and my cable company DVR will record HD with no problem</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284320</id>
	<title>Sky +</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1267196040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My UK TiVo still has a little "As recommended by Sky" logo when it boots.</p><p>But Sky (Rupert Murdoch's satellite TV service) now has its own DVR.</p><p>It *really* annoys me when people coo about how clever their Sky+ is. "I can pause live TV! How awesome is that?", when TiVo had done it for years.</p><p>OTOH now you can get cheap DVRs from all kinds of manufacturers, so nobody's all that impressed any more, there's a free market, and that's all for the best.</p><p>I still think TiVo has the best UI over all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My UK TiVo still has a little " As recommended by Sky " logo when it boots.But Sky ( Rupert Murdoch 's satellite TV service ) now has its own DVR.It * really * annoys me when people coo about how clever their Sky + is .
" I can pause live TV !
How awesome is that ?
" , when TiVo had done it for years.OTOH now you can get cheap DVRs from all kinds of manufacturers , so nobody 's all that impressed any more , there 's a free market , and that 's all for the best.I still think TiVo has the best UI over all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My UK TiVo still has a little "As recommended by Sky" logo when it boots.But Sky (Rupert Murdoch's satellite TV service) now has its own DVR.It *really* annoys me when people coo about how clever their Sky+ is.
"I can pause live TV!
How awesome is that?
", when TiVo had done it for years.OTOH now you can get cheap DVRs from all kinds of manufacturers, so nobody's all that impressed any more, there's a free market, and that's all for the best.I still think TiVo has the best UI over all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284162</id>
	<title>Re:We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267195080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo hasn't required a phone line for Tivo since the Series 2 came out... what, six or seven years ago?</p><p>With the Series 1, you had to hack it to go phone-free, but I have not had a phone line hooked to a Tivo in probably pushing eight years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo has n't required a phone line for Tivo since the Series 2 came out... what , six or seven years ago ? With the Series 1 , you had to hack it to go phone-free , but I have not had a phone line hooked to a Tivo in probably pushing eight years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo hasn't required a phone line for Tivo since the Series 2 came out... what, six or seven years ago?With the Series 1, you had to hack it to go phone-free, but I have not had a phone line hooked to a Tivo in probably pushing eight years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31291960</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>mattack2</author>
	<datestamp>1267186260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo HAS NO (monthly) SUBSCRIPTION fees either -- optionally.</p><p>I have NEVER paid a monthly fee for Tivo.  I'm a huge fan of Tivo, but would very likely not pay monthly for it.  (For a hypothetical ridiculously low monthly fee, then yes I would pay that -- but not for even the lower multiple service discount they already give.)</p><p>I bought lifetime subscriptions for my Tivos, and so can everyone else.  (Yes, there were times when they didn't offer lifetime subscriptions, but they're available now, so it's moot.)</p><p>For your ReplayTV, you paid a fee at purchase time (or possibly it was rolled into the purchase price - Replay used both methods).  It's rolled into the Moxi purchase price too IIRC.</p><p>So just consider a Tivo the hardware price + lifetime service fee...  and even with older Tivos, lifetime'd Tivos eBay for a significant amount.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo HAS NO ( monthly ) SUBSCRIPTION fees either -- optionally.I have NEVER paid a monthly fee for Tivo .
I 'm a huge fan of Tivo , but would very likely not pay monthly for it .
( For a hypothetical ridiculously low monthly fee , then yes I would pay that -- but not for even the lower multiple service discount they already give .
) I bought lifetime subscriptions for my Tivos , and so can everyone else .
( Yes , there were times when they did n't offer lifetime subscriptions , but they 're available now , so it 's moot .
) For your ReplayTV , you paid a fee at purchase time ( or possibly it was rolled into the purchase price - Replay used both methods ) .
It 's rolled into the Moxi purchase price too IIRC.So just consider a Tivo the hardware price + lifetime service fee... and even with older Tivos , lifetime 'd Tivos eBay for a significant amount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo HAS NO (monthly) SUBSCRIPTION fees either -- optionally.I have NEVER paid a monthly fee for Tivo.
I'm a huge fan of Tivo, but would very likely not pay monthly for it.
(For a hypothetical ridiculously low monthly fee, then yes I would pay that -- but not for even the lower multiple service discount they already give.
)I bought lifetime subscriptions for my Tivos, and so can everyone else.
(Yes, there were times when they didn't offer lifetime subscriptions, but they're available now, so it's moot.
)For your ReplayTV, you paid a fee at purchase time (or possibly it was rolled into the purchase price - Replay used both methods).
It's rolled into the Moxi purchase price too IIRC.So just consider a Tivo the hardware price + lifetime service fee...  and even with older Tivos, lifetime'd Tivos eBay for a significant amount.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283918</id>
	<title>TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267193580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>perhaps this is a quibbling point, but TiVo didn't invent timeshifting.  the invention of the VCR was responsible for that.  one should learn about history a bit more before attempting to romanticize it unnecessarily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps this is a quibbling point , but TiVo did n't invent timeshifting .
the invention of the VCR was responsible for that .
one should learn about history a bit more before attempting to romanticize it unnecessarily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps this is a quibbling point, but TiVo didn't invent timeshifting.
the invention of the VCR was responsible for that.
one should learn about history a bit more before attempting to romanticize it unnecessarily.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284198</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>blackest\_k</author>
	<datestamp>1267195260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Vcr allowed people to record stuff to hopefully watch at another date.<br>Tivo brought the ability to timeshift in real time while recording something a vcr cant do.</p><p>the amount that can be recorded is also completely different you can decide to record a season of something and a tivo will do it.</p><p>Sad thing is that the content providers still won't let us have the freedom we want to choose what and when we view. Luckily there is an alternative usually referred to as bit torrent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Vcr allowed people to record stuff to hopefully watch at another date.Tivo brought the ability to timeshift in real time while recording something a vcr cant do.the amount that can be recorded is also completely different you can decide to record a season of something and a tivo will do it.Sad thing is that the content providers still wo n't let us have the freedom we want to choose what and when we view .
Luckily there is an alternative usually referred to as bit torrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Vcr allowed people to record stuff to hopefully watch at another date.Tivo brought the ability to timeshift in real time while recording something a vcr cant do.the amount that can be recorded is also completely different you can decide to record a season of something and a tivo will do it.Sad thing is that the content providers still won't let us have the freedom we want to choose what and when we view.
Luckily there is an alternative usually referred to as bit torrent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283960</id>
	<title>Cost and portability</title>
	<author>Slippery Pete</author>
	<datestamp>1267193820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me, I never got a Tivo because of the cost.  You need to purchase the equipment and then pay a monthly fee.  I believe it is $12.95/month now.  I already pay $80/month for cable and Internet access, $50/month for phone, add on heat, electricity and rent and I'm already down a paycheck.  I have a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $40 tuner card that works just fine.  I can also move those files between my laptop and any other computer, so I can take my recorded shows anywhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me , I never got a Tivo because of the cost .
You need to purchase the equipment and then pay a monthly fee .
I believe it is $ 12.95/month now .
I already pay $ 80/month for cable and Internet access , $ 50/month for phone , add on heat , electricity and rent and I 'm already down a paycheck .
I have a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $ 40 tuner card that works just fine .
I can also move those files between my laptop and any other computer , so I can take my recorded shows anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me, I never got a Tivo because of the cost.
You need to purchase the equipment and then pay a monthly fee.
I believe it is $12.95/month now.
I already pay $80/month for cable and Internet access, $50/month for phone, add on heat, electricity and rent and I'm already down a paycheck.
I have a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $40 tuner card that works just fine.
I can also move those files between my laptop and any other computer, so I can take my recorded shows anywhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285240</id>
	<title>Tivo is simply the best interface</title>
	<author>wandazulu</author>
	<datestamp>1267201080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had a Directv-based Tivo and it has been painful to use any other DVR since for one reason alone; the interface. The interface is clear, snappy, and very simple, unlike Comcast's and Directv's other boxes which range from the simply bizarre (press "up" to get to Directv's favorites list?) to the outright awful (Comcast everything, but as one simple example, why does a Comcast DVR <i>with a hard disk inside</i> need to re-download every piece of scheduling data if the unit is accidentally turned off?).</p><p>Tivo may have made mistakes, but I am still pining away for the day that Directv offers an HD-compatible DVR with the Tivo software in it. I won't care about the terms, I'll get it; I want to watch what I want to watch without tensing up trying to find them using the horrible interfaces of the other boxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had a Directv-based Tivo and it has been painful to use any other DVR since for one reason alone ; the interface .
The interface is clear , snappy , and very simple , unlike Comcast 's and Directv 's other boxes which range from the simply bizarre ( press " up " to get to Directv 's favorites list ?
) to the outright awful ( Comcast everything , but as one simple example , why does a Comcast DVR with a hard disk inside need to re-download every piece of scheduling data if the unit is accidentally turned off ?
) .Tivo may have made mistakes , but I am still pining away for the day that Directv offers an HD-compatible DVR with the Tivo software in it .
I wo n't care about the terms , I 'll get it ; I want to watch what I want to watch without tensing up trying to find them using the horrible interfaces of the other boxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had a Directv-based Tivo and it has been painful to use any other DVR since for one reason alone; the interface.
The interface is clear, snappy, and very simple, unlike Comcast's and Directv's other boxes which range from the simply bizarre (press "up" to get to Directv's favorites list?
) to the outright awful (Comcast everything, but as one simple example, why does a Comcast DVR with a hard disk inside need to re-download every piece of scheduling data if the unit is accidentally turned off?
).Tivo may have made mistakes, but I am still pining away for the day that Directv offers an HD-compatible DVR with the Tivo software in it.
I won't care about the terms, I'll get it; I want to watch what I want to watch without tensing up trying to find them using the horrible interfaces of the other boxes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286156</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>Beezlebub33</author>
	<datestamp>1267205040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>New unit of Slashdot measurement for commercial success:   one iPod.
<br> <br>
I believe that it is 3 iPhones to an iPod.  Previous measurements were in PlayStations, and before that VCRs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>New unit of Slashdot measurement for commercial success : one iPod .
I believe that it is 3 iPhones to an iPod .
Previous measurements were in PlayStations , and before that VCRs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New unit of Slashdot measurement for commercial success:   one iPod.
I believe that it is 3 iPhones to an iPod.
Previous measurements were in PlayStations, and before that VCRs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31292902</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>MrHops</author>
	<datestamp>1267191240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new.  It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969.  That VCR was too expensive, so Sony went back and created the Betamax (anc JVC copied it to create VHS) in 1975.  DVR is not even the first digital recording method  - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.  -----  People have been time-shifting for decades.  All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.  Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.</p></div><p>On the contrary!  Using a disk to store data is completely revolutionary!
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sorry about that...  couldn't help myself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new .
It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969 .
That VCR was too expensive , so Sony went back and created the Betamax ( anc JVC copied it to create VHS ) in 1975 .
DVR is not even the first digital recording method - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s .
----- People have been time-shifting for decades .
All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage .
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.On the contrary !
Using a disk to store data is completely revolutionary !
Sorry about that... could n't help myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new.
It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969.
That VCR was too expensive, so Sony went back and created the Betamax (anc JVC copied it to create VHS) in 1975.
DVR is not even the first digital recording method  - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.
-----  People have been time-shifting for decades.
All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.On the contrary!
Using a disk to store data is completely revolutionary!
Sorry about that...  couldn't help myself.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284722</id>
	<title>Re:Why are markets for</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267198200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything you write is wrong.</p><p>The cable companies did not go after TiVo and try to kill them or even make wishes or pray on it.</p><p>The resistance to CableCard from the MSOs was due to the fact that CableCard is nonsense.  The arbitrary standard and deadline meant that new hardware and software had to be rushed to development, and then purchased and deployed to every controller on the continent.  Meanwhile, the rest of the world was happy with DVBCA or "DVB Common Access."  DVBCA could have been implemented in the USA with much less disruption and development expense than CableCard caused.</p><p>What a big pain in the ass.  And now people whine that all the problems with CableCard are caused by Comcast or Time Warner because their TV and government sucks.</p><p>CableCard actually brought benefit to TiVo, who had previously demanded ridiculous terms when approached by MSO's to license/market TiVo as an app across their cable systems.  CableCard meant that cheap asian hardware could be easily adapted for use in the USA and be here on the next boat, and TiVo retained their meager lead over ReplayTV at KMart.  Everyone who wanted to play had to develop POD host/CableCard host before they got to sell a HD DVR.</p><p>While TiVo was securely sitting high on their throne of patent cards, the MSOs asked box vendors for DVR.  They got the hardware and a variety of DVR applications very cheaply.  TiVo was forced to hang out with DBS providers.</p><p>The MSO's are not trying to take control away from you, either.  Some MSOs have been very successful at providing a high user experience through their settop.  That settop is a specific platform, with an operating system and applications (watchtv, program guide, vod, dvr, video server, dvd burner, etc.) and backoffice servers for all these things.  It is not a stupid simple tuner "cable box" like you had in the 80's.</p><p>OCAP is trying to make universal advanced standards a reality and has support of the MSO's.  But the reality is that when you have a competitive retail market for settops, many products won't perform well.  There will always be specific settops that cause problems on the network and have bugs preventing the use of some features on some systems.  No doubt there will be cries of "Comcast hates KoreaBoxCo and sabotages them and it's obviously the case because streams come in fine on the real thing that's officially supported."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything you write is wrong.The cable companies did not go after TiVo and try to kill them or even make wishes or pray on it.The resistance to CableCard from the MSOs was due to the fact that CableCard is nonsense .
The arbitrary standard and deadline meant that new hardware and software had to be rushed to development , and then purchased and deployed to every controller on the continent .
Meanwhile , the rest of the world was happy with DVBCA or " DVB Common Access .
" DVBCA could have been implemented in the USA with much less disruption and development expense than CableCard caused.What a big pain in the ass .
And now people whine that all the problems with CableCard are caused by Comcast or Time Warner because their TV and government sucks.CableCard actually brought benefit to TiVo , who had previously demanded ridiculous terms when approached by MSO 's to license/market TiVo as an app across their cable systems .
CableCard meant that cheap asian hardware could be easily adapted for use in the USA and be here on the next boat , and TiVo retained their meager lead over ReplayTV at KMart .
Everyone who wanted to play had to develop POD host/CableCard host before they got to sell a HD DVR.While TiVo was securely sitting high on their throne of patent cards , the MSOs asked box vendors for DVR .
They got the hardware and a variety of DVR applications very cheaply .
TiVo was forced to hang out with DBS providers.The MSO 's are not trying to take control away from you , either .
Some MSOs have been very successful at providing a high user experience through their settop .
That settop is a specific platform , with an operating system and applications ( watchtv , program guide , vod , dvr , video server , dvd burner , etc .
) and backoffice servers for all these things .
It is not a stupid simple tuner " cable box " like you had in the 80 's.OCAP is trying to make universal advanced standards a reality and has support of the MSO 's .
But the reality is that when you have a competitive retail market for settops , many products wo n't perform well .
There will always be specific settops that cause problems on the network and have bugs preventing the use of some features on some systems .
No doubt there will be cries of " Comcast hates KoreaBoxCo and sabotages them and it 's obviously the case because streams come in fine on the real thing that 's officially supported .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything you write is wrong.The cable companies did not go after TiVo and try to kill them or even make wishes or pray on it.The resistance to CableCard from the MSOs was due to the fact that CableCard is nonsense.
The arbitrary standard and deadline meant that new hardware and software had to be rushed to development, and then purchased and deployed to every controller on the continent.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world was happy with DVBCA or "DVB Common Access.
"  DVBCA could have been implemented in the USA with much less disruption and development expense than CableCard caused.What a big pain in the ass.
And now people whine that all the problems with CableCard are caused by Comcast or Time Warner because their TV and government sucks.CableCard actually brought benefit to TiVo, who had previously demanded ridiculous terms when approached by MSO's to license/market TiVo as an app across their cable systems.
CableCard meant that cheap asian hardware could be easily adapted for use in the USA and be here on the next boat, and TiVo retained their meager lead over ReplayTV at KMart.
Everyone who wanted to play had to develop POD host/CableCard host before they got to sell a HD DVR.While TiVo was securely sitting high on their throne of patent cards, the MSOs asked box vendors for DVR.
They got the hardware and a variety of DVR applications very cheaply.
TiVo was forced to hang out with DBS providers.The MSO's are not trying to take control away from you, either.
Some MSOs have been very successful at providing a high user experience through their settop.
That settop is a specific platform, with an operating system and applications (watchtv, program guide, vod, dvr, video server, dvd burner, etc.
) and backoffice servers for all these things.
It is not a stupid simple tuner "cable box" like you had in the 80's.OCAP is trying to make universal advanced standards a reality and has support of the MSO's.
But the reality is that when you have a competitive retail market for settops, many products won't perform well.
There will always be specific settops that cause problems on the network and have bugs preventing the use of some features on some systems.
No doubt there will be cries of "Comcast hates KoreaBoxCo and sabotages them and it's obviously the case because streams come in fine on the real thing that's officially supported.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31290850</id>
	<title>Re:Because it doesn't make sense.</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1267179900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But that solution takes far more bandwidth as well!  Transmit a show once only, versus transmitting it once for each user who wants to see it.  We don't have that sort of bandwidth on the internet if this became standard.  Just because you're bleeding edge with your technology doesn't mean everyone else is.<br><br>(reminds me of the early adopters of cable internet who loved it, until all their neighbors got it as well and the bandwidth had to be shared)</htmltext>
<tokenext>But that solution takes far more bandwidth as well !
Transmit a show once only , versus transmitting it once for each user who wants to see it .
We do n't have that sort of bandwidth on the internet if this became standard .
Just because you 're bleeding edge with your technology does n't mean everyone else is .
( reminds me of the early adopters of cable internet who loved it , until all their neighbors got it as well and the bandwidth had to be shared )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that solution takes far more bandwidth as well!
Transmit a show once only, versus transmitting it once for each user who wants to see it.
We don't have that sort of bandwidth on the internet if this became standard.
Just because you're bleeding edge with your technology doesn't mean everyone else is.
(reminds me of the early adopters of cable internet who loved it, until all their neighbors got it as well and the bandwidth had to be shared)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Its the net silly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267206960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why bother "timeshifting" broadcasted content when you can download it directly from the internet? Isn't on-demand the best timeshifting capability you could get? Broadcast television is dying because content is all that matters in the end, not networks and commercials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why bother " timeshifting " broadcasted content when you can download it directly from the internet ?
Is n't on-demand the best timeshifting capability you could get ?
Broadcast television is dying because content is all that matters in the end , not networks and commercials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why bother "timeshifting" broadcasted content when you can download it directly from the internet?
Isn't on-demand the best timeshifting capability you could get?
Broadcast television is dying because content is all that matters in the end, not networks and commercials.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285858</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>edmicman</author>
	<datestamp>1267204080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you mean?  My HDTV has a DVI-in, and my DVR PC that I built has a video card with DVI-out.  It's displaying the native resolution of the TV.  There are definitely limitations to the do-it-yourself DVR PC solution, but hooking it up to a TV monitor isn't one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you mean ?
My HDTV has a DVI-in , and my DVR PC that I built has a video card with DVI-out .
It 's displaying the native resolution of the TV .
There are definitely limitations to the do-it-yourself DVR PC solution , but hooking it up to a TV monitor is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you mean?
My HDTV has a DVI-in, and my DVR PC that I built has a video card with DVI-out.
It's displaying the native resolution of the TV.
There are definitely limitations to the do-it-yourself DVR PC solution, but hooking it up to a TV monitor isn't one of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287306</id>
	<title>Great software, poor hardware selection</title>
	<author>banda</author>
	<datestamp>1267208760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I reluctantly cancelled my TiVo service last year. Reason: They have no hardware that supports HD and satellite. I hate the Dish Network DVR's software - it's garbage compared to TiVo, but I can't spend the rest of my life looking at 480i.</p><p>I check TiVo's hardware offerings every so often - I will be a subscriber again when they support satellite an HD in the same box.</p><p>There is a local cable company, but I would sooner eat my own feces than give them a penny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I reluctantly cancelled my TiVo service last year .
Reason : They have no hardware that supports HD and satellite .
I hate the Dish Network DVR 's software - it 's garbage compared to TiVo , but I ca n't spend the rest of my life looking at 480i.I check TiVo 's hardware offerings every so often - I will be a subscriber again when they support satellite an HD in the same box.There is a local cable company , but I would sooner eat my own feces than give them a penny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I reluctantly cancelled my TiVo service last year.
Reason: They have no hardware that supports HD and satellite.
I hate the Dish Network DVR's software - it's garbage compared to TiVo, but I can't spend the rest of my life looking at 480i.I check TiVo's hardware offerings every so often - I will be a subscriber again when they support satellite an HD in the same box.There is a local cable company, but I would sooner eat my own feces than give them a penny.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288370</id>
	<title>Vanity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't pull a TiVo out of your pocket at a party and say "Look at this cool gadget I spent  lot of money on!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't pull a TiVo out of your pocket at a party and say " Look at this cool gadget I spent lot of money on !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't pull a TiVo out of your pocket at a party and say "Look at this cool gadget I spent  lot of money on!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284276</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>Binestar</author>
	<datestamp>1267195740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure there is any DVR that is better than a Tivo.  I say this as someone who has used MythTV, Tivo, and 3 different cable company's DVRs.  When it comes right down to it, anyone can use Tivo.  The cable company DVR's are not smart enough, MythTV (admittedly a long ass time ago) was hard to use and difficult to setup.</p><p>As for faster, a Series 2 Tivo that is upgraded and starts to have a lot of things on the drive can be a bit slot responding to the remote.  This is no longer true with my series 3 HD XL.  The speed is great no matter if the drive has 300 items recorded.</p><p>Cheaper:  yes and no.  the $700 price tag I paid for my upgrade ($900 for someone without a previous Tivo to get a discount) is the top of the line Tivo with lifetime service.  My last Tivo was $300 and $250 for the lifetime subscription (Yes, I got it that long ago).  It is still going strong at my brothers house (I sold it to him for $200 to help me pay for my new Tivo).  Even ignoring the $200 I got from selling it, I got it August of 2002.  90 months divided by $550 = $6/month.  Well under the Cable company price for a DVR.  I did upgrade the hard drive in the Tivo with 2 160GB drives part way through it's life.  Both were taken out of service from PC upgrades, but figure an average hard drive price of $100 that gets you up to $750, or $8.33/month.  I unfortunately do not know how they fare against each other in power usage, so I honestly can't add in the possible differences between those.</p><p>In order for my new $700 Tivo to be more economical than the cable company offering (And assuming I will be tossing a 2GB external drive on it to expand it  Figure $100 for the drive, $30 for the enclosure I already have that I plan on using and that makes it $830.  55 months to be same price as the cable DVR.  Just over 4 and a half years.</p><p>It is a gamble that it will last that long, but if I win that gamble it is just savings at that point.</p><p>As for looks, I've not seen a DVR interface that is prettier than Tivo.  Would love for someone to show me.  It really *IS* as good as Tivo fans make it out to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure there is any DVR that is better than a Tivo .
I say this as someone who has used MythTV , Tivo , and 3 different cable company 's DVRs .
When it comes right down to it , anyone can use Tivo .
The cable company DVR 's are not smart enough , MythTV ( admittedly a long ass time ago ) was hard to use and difficult to setup.As for faster , a Series 2 Tivo that is upgraded and starts to have a lot of things on the drive can be a bit slot responding to the remote .
This is no longer true with my series 3 HD XL .
The speed is great no matter if the drive has 300 items recorded.Cheaper : yes and no .
the $ 700 price tag I paid for my upgrade ( $ 900 for someone without a previous Tivo to get a discount ) is the top of the line Tivo with lifetime service .
My last Tivo was $ 300 and $ 250 for the lifetime subscription ( Yes , I got it that long ago ) .
It is still going strong at my brothers house ( I sold it to him for $ 200 to help me pay for my new Tivo ) .
Even ignoring the $ 200 I got from selling it , I got it August of 2002 .
90 months divided by $ 550 = $ 6/month .
Well under the Cable company price for a DVR .
I did upgrade the hard drive in the Tivo with 2 160GB drives part way through it 's life .
Both were taken out of service from PC upgrades , but figure an average hard drive price of $ 100 that gets you up to $ 750 , or $ 8.33/month .
I unfortunately do not know how they fare against each other in power usage , so I honestly ca n't add in the possible differences between those.In order for my new $ 700 Tivo to be more economical than the cable company offering ( And assuming I will be tossing a 2GB external drive on it to expand it Figure $ 100 for the drive , $ 30 for the enclosure I already have that I plan on using and that makes it $ 830 .
55 months to be same price as the cable DVR .
Just over 4 and a half years.It is a gamble that it will last that long , but if I win that gamble it is just savings at that point.As for looks , I 've not seen a DVR interface that is prettier than Tivo .
Would love for someone to show me .
It really * IS * as good as Tivo fans make it out to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure there is any DVR that is better than a Tivo.
I say this as someone who has used MythTV, Tivo, and 3 different cable company's DVRs.
When it comes right down to it, anyone can use Tivo.
The cable company DVR's are not smart enough, MythTV (admittedly a long ass time ago) was hard to use and difficult to setup.As for faster, a Series 2 Tivo that is upgraded and starts to have a lot of things on the drive can be a bit slot responding to the remote.
This is no longer true with my series 3 HD XL.
The speed is great no matter if the drive has 300 items recorded.Cheaper:  yes and no.
the $700 price tag I paid for my upgrade ($900 for someone without a previous Tivo to get a discount) is the top of the line Tivo with lifetime service.
My last Tivo was $300 and $250 for the lifetime subscription (Yes, I got it that long ago).
It is still going strong at my brothers house (I sold it to him for $200 to help me pay for my new Tivo).
Even ignoring the $200 I got from selling it, I got it August of 2002.
90 months divided by $550 = $6/month.
Well under the Cable company price for a DVR.
I did upgrade the hard drive in the Tivo with 2 160GB drives part way through it's life.
Both were taken out of service from PC upgrades, but figure an average hard drive price of $100 that gets you up to $750, or $8.33/month.
I unfortunately do not know how they fare against each other in power usage, so I honestly can't add in the possible differences between those.In order for my new $700 Tivo to be more economical than the cable company offering (And assuming I will be tossing a 2GB external drive on it to expand it  Figure $100 for the drive, $30 for the enclosure I already have that I plan on using and that makes it $830.
55 months to be same price as the cable DVR.
Just over 4 and a half years.It is a gamble that it will last that long, but if I win that gamble it is just savings at that point.As for looks, I've not seen a DVR interface that is prettier than Tivo.
Would love for someone to show me.
It really *IS* as good as Tivo fans make it out to be.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31289234</id>
	<title>TiVo is wonderful, but cable sucks</title>
	<author>LinuxFreakus</author>
	<datestamp>1267215420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TiVo is fantastic, I've used other DVR from the cable company, etc and they all suck... they crash, they fail to record properly, the menus suck, the controls suck, TiVo (even a series 1 if you ignore the lack of HD) totally pwns every other DVR I've ever used.</p><p>That said, I have five TiVos and they are all sitting out in my garage gathering dust because I grew disgusted with the cable company (poor service, price increases, stupid fees, morons for technicians).  Now I have AppleTVs in all my rooms and a central media server which hosts all my content.  I can easily purchase/rent and watch virtually any TV show or movie I want anytime and it doesn't even begin to approach the cost of paying $100+ per month for cable packages.  It is much better to just pay for what I actually want to watch instead of shelling out over a thousand dollars a year for a bunch of content I never watch.</p><p>In short, TiVo is failing mainly because the industry is changing and their product is not in a great position to survive those changes.  The days of broadcast are numbered IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo is fantastic , I 've used other DVR from the cable company , etc and they all suck... they crash , they fail to record properly , the menus suck , the controls suck , TiVo ( even a series 1 if you ignore the lack of HD ) totally pwns every other DVR I 've ever used.That said , I have five TiVos and they are all sitting out in my garage gathering dust because I grew disgusted with the cable company ( poor service , price increases , stupid fees , morons for technicians ) .
Now I have AppleTVs in all my rooms and a central media server which hosts all my content .
I can easily purchase/rent and watch virtually any TV show or movie I want anytime and it does n't even begin to approach the cost of paying $ 100 + per month for cable packages .
It is much better to just pay for what I actually want to watch instead of shelling out over a thousand dollars a year for a bunch of content I never watch.In short , TiVo is failing mainly because the industry is changing and their product is not in a great position to survive those changes .
The days of broadcast are numbered IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo is fantastic, I've used other DVR from the cable company, etc and they all suck... they crash, they fail to record properly, the menus suck, the controls suck, TiVo (even a series 1 if you ignore the lack of HD) totally pwns every other DVR I've ever used.That said, I have five TiVos and they are all sitting out in my garage gathering dust because I grew disgusted with the cable company (poor service, price increases, stupid fees, morons for technicians).
Now I have AppleTVs in all my rooms and a central media server which hosts all my content.
I can easily purchase/rent and watch virtually any TV show or movie I want anytime and it doesn't even begin to approach the cost of paying $100+ per month for cable packages.
It is much better to just pay for what I actually want to watch instead of shelling out over a thousand dollars a year for a bunch of content I never watch.In short, TiVo is failing mainly because the industry is changing and their product is not in a great position to survive those changes.
The days of broadcast are numbered IMO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285070</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1267200060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I bought my Tivo it came with a lifetime subscription built in.   I think they still do that, so instead of $12 a month you pay them an extra $100 up front.  Seemed like a no brainer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I bought my Tivo it came with a lifetime subscription built in .
I think they still do that , so instead of $ 12 a month you pay them an extra $ 100 up front .
Seemed like a no brainer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I bought my Tivo it came with a lifetime subscription built in.
I think they still do that, so instead of $12 a month you pay them an extra $100 up front.
Seemed like a no brainer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285910</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>iamhassi</author>
	<datestamp>1267204320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"For me, I never got a Tivo because of the cost.... I believe it is $12.95/month now"</i>
<br> <br>
Agreed.  Everyone I know is the same way.  The monthly fee is what killed Tivo.  If they could have lived with $250 for the device they would be far more popular, but no one wants <i>another</i> monthly fee, especially when it's a monthly DVR fee on top of a existing monthly cable fee.
<br> <br>
Apple anything = no monthly fees, so they win.  <br> <br>
My parents recently called me about buying a TiVo to record the Olympics.  Soon as I told them there was a monthly fee they weren't interested, I told them to call their cable provider and see if they offered a DVR for less.
<br> <br>
For TiVo to come back they'll have to partner with Hulu and Netflix, give me a set-top box that streams Hulu, Netflix <i>and</i> does DVR and we'll talk.  TiVo has the big name, the hardware, the know-how, and the channels to get it into stores.  Hulu and Netflix provides great content.  I showed my parents Hulu on their PC and they're very interested for the older shows and movies but I don't know of a device cheap and simple enough for them to get Hulu onto their TV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" For me , I never got a Tivo because of the cost.... I believe it is $ 12.95/month now " Agreed .
Everyone I know is the same way .
The monthly fee is what killed Tivo .
If they could have lived with $ 250 for the device they would be far more popular , but no one wants another monthly fee , especially when it 's a monthly DVR fee on top of a existing monthly cable fee .
Apple anything = no monthly fees , so they win .
My parents recently called me about buying a TiVo to record the Olympics .
Soon as I told them there was a monthly fee they were n't interested , I told them to call their cable provider and see if they offered a DVR for less .
For TiVo to come back they 'll have to partner with Hulu and Netflix , give me a set-top box that streams Hulu , Netflix and does DVR and we 'll talk .
TiVo has the big name , the hardware , the know-how , and the channels to get it into stores .
Hulu and Netflix provides great content .
I showed my parents Hulu on their PC and they 're very interested for the older shows and movies but I do n't know of a device cheap and simple enough for them to get Hulu onto their TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"For me, I never got a Tivo because of the cost.... I believe it is $12.95/month now"
 
Agreed.
Everyone I know is the same way.
The monthly fee is what killed Tivo.
If they could have lived with $250 for the device they would be far more popular, but no one wants another monthly fee, especially when it's a monthly DVR fee on top of a existing monthly cable fee.
Apple anything = no monthly fees, so they win.
My parents recently called me about buying a TiVo to record the Olympics.
Soon as I told them there was a monthly fee they weren't interested, I told them to call their cable provider and see if they offered a DVR for less.
For TiVo to come back they'll have to partner with Hulu and Netflix, give me a set-top box that streams Hulu, Netflix and does DVR and we'll talk.
TiVo has the big name, the hardware, the know-how, and the channels to get it into stores.
Hulu and Netflix provides great content.
I showed my parents Hulu on their PC and they're very interested for the older shows and movies but I don't know of a device cheap and simple enough for them to get Hulu onto their TV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31292228</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267187520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Mythbuntu now after giving my parents my old SD Tivo.</p><p>I was able to get two HD OTA tuners, and not have to deal with broadcast flags and encryption of the video files.  MythTV also automatically skips commercials if it is setup right.</p><p>The only thing is that there are a few bugs and the controller/video card/sound card setup isn't always easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Mythbuntu now after giving my parents my old SD Tivo.I was able to get two HD OTA tuners , and not have to deal with broadcast flags and encryption of the video files .
MythTV also automatically skips commercials if it is setup right.The only thing is that there are a few bugs and the controller/video card/sound card setup is n't always easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Mythbuntu now after giving my parents my old SD Tivo.I was able to get two HD OTA tuners, and not have to deal with broadcast flags and encryption of the video files.
MythTV also automatically skips commercials if it is setup right.The only thing is that there are a few bugs and the controller/video card/sound card setup isn't always easy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285456</id>
	<title>missing the point, are they (again...)</title>
	<author>acroyear</author>
	<datestamp>1267202100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1 most television sucks, and will continue to suck even if you were to tape or tivo it and watch it later<br>2 the tv that doesn't suck is on DVD almost before the season is over, or for cable shows, is repeated so often you manage to catch it anyways.<br>3 HULU - on-demand watching already provided by the networks for at least some shows<br>4 TV Episode sales/rentals on iTunes approved by the networks for at least some shows<br>5 you can't take it with you.  Your TiVo-taped programs, unlike a videotape, dvd, or something on the ipod, is stuck in the TiVo, and in fact the media producers ("Hollywood") went overboard on keeping the TiVo "crippled" in that way even more than the RIAA attacked the iPod (which is why it is such a pile of suck for your iPod when you get a new computer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 most television sucks , and will continue to suck even if you were to tape or tivo it and watch it later2 the tv that does n't suck is on DVD almost before the season is over , or for cable shows , is repeated so often you manage to catch it anyways.3 HULU - on-demand watching already provided by the networks for at least some shows4 TV Episode sales/rentals on iTunes approved by the networks for at least some shows5 you ca n't take it with you .
Your TiVo-taped programs , unlike a videotape , dvd , or something on the ipod , is stuck in the TiVo , and in fact the media producers ( " Hollywood " ) went overboard on keeping the TiVo " crippled " in that way even more than the RIAA attacked the iPod ( which is why it is such a pile of suck for your iPod when you get a new computer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 most television sucks, and will continue to suck even if you were to tape or tivo it and watch it later2 the tv that doesn't suck is on DVD almost before the season is over, or for cable shows, is repeated so often you manage to catch it anyways.3 HULU - on-demand watching already provided by the networks for at least some shows4 TV Episode sales/rentals on iTunes approved by the networks for at least some shows5 you can't take it with you.
Your TiVo-taped programs, unlike a videotape, dvd, or something on the ipod, is stuck in the TiVo, and in fact the media producers ("Hollywood") went overboard on keeping the TiVo "crippled" in that way even more than the RIAA attacked the iPod (which is why it is such a pile of suck for your iPod when you get a new computer).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284622</id>
	<title>Re:Apples and Oranges</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1267197600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. I think the iPod vs. Tivo comparison is a useful one because then it causes people to<br>bring up AppleTV. Then you realize that AppleTV probably has sold more units than Tivo has<br>despite being called a "hobby" by Steve Jobs. In Apple terms, the Tivo is a failure. It<br>ranks right down there with Pippin or Newton. Despite help introducing a new type of<br>appliance device, it is still a commercial failure.</p><p>Apple seems far too embarrased to release their AppleTV sales numbers. I suspect that they<br>are pretty much on par with Tivo sales numbers.</p><p>Although an AppleTV can be made to be useful as a general purpose device. It is not quite<br>as much of a boat anchor when disconnected from iTunes as an out of service Tivo is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
I think the iPod vs. Tivo comparison is a useful one because then it causes people tobring up AppleTV .
Then you realize that AppleTV probably has sold more units than Tivo hasdespite being called a " hobby " by Steve Jobs .
In Apple terms , the Tivo is a failure .
Itranks right down there with Pippin or Newton .
Despite help introducing a new type ofappliance device , it is still a commercial failure.Apple seems far too embarrased to release their AppleTV sales numbers .
I suspect that theyare pretty much on par with Tivo sales numbers.Although an AppleTV can be made to be useful as a general purpose device .
It is not quiteas much of a boat anchor when disconnected from iTunes as an out of service Tivo is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
I think the iPod vs. Tivo comparison is a useful one because then it causes people tobring up AppleTV.
Then you realize that AppleTV probably has sold more units than Tivo hasdespite being called a "hobby" by Steve Jobs.
In Apple terms, the Tivo is a failure.
Itranks right down there with Pippin or Newton.
Despite help introducing a new type ofappliance device, it is still a commercial failure.Apple seems far too embarrased to release their AppleTV sales numbers.
I suspect that theyare pretty much on par with Tivo sales numbers.Although an AppleTV can be made to be useful as a general purpose device.
It is not quiteas much of a boat anchor when disconnected from iTunes as an out of service Tivo is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284948</id>
	<title>Tivo needs to move to iptv</title>
	<author>asv108</author>
	<datestamp>1267199400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The biggest problem with Tivo's current model is the fact that Tivo is entirely dependent on cable companies and satellite providers. I have a Tivo HD, its an awesome device, but I'm the only person I know who has one. When the cable company offers a crappy integrated "dvr," not many people are going to motivated to pay more, and go through more hassle (cable cards), just to have a Tivo. Tivo needs to cut out the middleman, and offer an iptv device. No cable cards, no contracts with satellite providers, just plug it in to your network.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem with Tivo 's current model is the fact that Tivo is entirely dependent on cable companies and satellite providers .
I have a Tivo HD , its an awesome device , but I 'm the only person I know who has one .
When the cable company offers a crappy integrated " dvr , " not many people are going to motivated to pay more , and go through more hassle ( cable cards ) , just to have a Tivo .
Tivo needs to cut out the middleman , and offer an iptv device .
No cable cards , no contracts with satellite providers , just plug it in to your network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem with Tivo's current model is the fact that Tivo is entirely dependent on cable companies and satellite providers.
I have a Tivo HD, its an awesome device, but I'm the only person I know who has one.
When the cable company offers a crappy integrated "dvr," not many people are going to motivated to pay more, and go through more hassle (cable cards), just to have a Tivo.
Tivo needs to cut out the middleman, and offer an iptv device.
No cable cards, no contracts with satellite providers, just plug it in to your network.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285718</id>
	<title>Re:We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267203300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since series 2 came out you could do a trick with a USB lan adapter and setting the dial out number to some odd number like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,7#<br>It has worked fine for me since it came out. Now series 2 more directly supports it and you don't need the funny workaround.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since series 2 came out you could do a trick with a USB lan adapter and setting the dial out number to some odd number like ,7 # It has worked fine for me since it came out .
Now series 2 more directly supports it and you do n't need the funny workaround .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since series 2 came out you could do a trick with a USB lan adapter and setting the dial out number to some odd number like ,7#It has worked fine for me since it came out.
Now series 2 more directly supports it and you don't need the funny workaround.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>Beezlebub33</author>
	<datestamp>1267204920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's different now.  My tivo talks WiFi to my cablemodem / wireless access point.  It gets the data that way, as well as connecting to NetFlix.  Its fast and secure (well, it's using WPA) and I don't have to have a phone connection, so could put my TV where I wanted it.

The NetFlix connection in particular is great, since I can load up a huge number of Play Now movies for the kids on Netflix and play them through the Tivo interface (which the kids can use).  Only downside is that the movies that I want to watch, but don't want the kids watching, can't be on the Play Now list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's different now .
My tivo talks WiFi to my cablemodem / wireless access point .
It gets the data that way , as well as connecting to NetFlix .
Its fast and secure ( well , it 's using WPA ) and I do n't have to have a phone connection , so could put my TV where I wanted it .
The NetFlix connection in particular is great , since I can load up a huge number of Play Now movies for the kids on Netflix and play them through the Tivo interface ( which the kids can use ) .
Only downside is that the movies that I want to watch , but do n't want the kids watching , ca n't be on the Play Now list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's different now.
My tivo talks WiFi to my cablemodem / wireless access point.
It gets the data that way, as well as connecting to NetFlix.
Its fast and secure (well, it's using WPA) and I don't have to have a phone connection, so could put my TV where I wanted it.
The NetFlix connection in particular is great, since I can load up a huge number of Play Now movies for the kids on Netflix and play them through the Tivo interface (which the kids can use).
Only downside is that the movies that I want to watch, but don't want the kids watching, can't be on the Play Now list.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284156</id>
	<title>HD TiVo review...</title>
	<author>Michael Kristopeit</author>
	<datestamp>1267195080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>i have the HD tivo, and i move every 4 months... getting the cablecard from the cable company and getting it installed is always a GIANT headache, usually having to deal with comcast customer service that pretends they have never heard of a tivo or cablecard...BUT, after it's set up and working.... nothing beats it.  dual HD tuners, that can record while you are downloading web content simultaneously, with high quality netflix streaming, a giant hard drive with eSATA to seamlessly attach any 3rd party hard drive for additional storage... it's a dream and 100\% wife approved, but if she had to figure it all out and convince comcast that she really did know what she was talking about, she would never get it set up.  it is most certainly a cable company conspiracy.  i enjoy my chats with all the cable installer guys as i ask them to justify the cablecard which is just a glorified hardware password... eventually i can get them all to admit that it's just about renting you another piece of hardware.  i'm always charged a monthly fee to rent my multistream cablecard... without the cablecard the digital service has no value, and subscribers can not use their own cablecards, so i don't understand how it's legal to sell the service and require the hardware rental as a separate fee... also, the channel lineups available are a giant mess requiring much effort to remove duplicates... can't really fault tivo for that... more conspiracy.  i'm just wondering if the set top boxes distributed by comcast also contain 5 copies of most network channels.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i have the HD tivo , and i move every 4 months... getting the cablecard from the cable company and getting it installed is always a GIANT headache , usually having to deal with comcast customer service that pretends they have never heard of a tivo or cablecard...BUT , after it 's set up and working.... nothing beats it .
dual HD tuners , that can record while you are downloading web content simultaneously , with high quality netflix streaming , a giant hard drive with eSATA to seamlessly attach any 3rd party hard drive for additional storage... it 's a dream and 100 \ % wife approved , but if she had to figure it all out and convince comcast that she really did know what she was talking about , she would never get it set up .
it is most certainly a cable company conspiracy .
i enjoy my chats with all the cable installer guys as i ask them to justify the cablecard which is just a glorified hardware password... eventually i can get them all to admit that it 's just about renting you another piece of hardware .
i 'm always charged a monthly fee to rent my multistream cablecard... without the cablecard the digital service has no value , and subscribers can not use their own cablecards , so i do n't understand how it 's legal to sell the service and require the hardware rental as a separate fee... also , the channel lineups available are a giant mess requiring much effort to remove duplicates... ca n't really fault tivo for that... more conspiracy .
i 'm just wondering if the set top boxes distributed by comcast also contain 5 copies of most network channels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i have the HD tivo, and i move every 4 months... getting the cablecard from the cable company and getting it installed is always a GIANT headache, usually having to deal with comcast customer service that pretends they have never heard of a tivo or cablecard...BUT, after it's set up and working.... nothing beats it.
dual HD tuners, that can record while you are downloading web content simultaneously, with high quality netflix streaming, a giant hard drive with eSATA to seamlessly attach any 3rd party hard drive for additional storage... it's a dream and 100\% wife approved, but if she had to figure it all out and convince comcast that she really did know what she was talking about, she would never get it set up.
it is most certainly a cable company conspiracy.
i enjoy my chats with all the cable installer guys as i ask them to justify the cablecard which is just a glorified hardware password... eventually i can get them all to admit that it's just about renting you another piece of hardware.
i'm always charged a monthly fee to rent my multistream cablecard... without the cablecard the digital service has no value, and subscribers can not use their own cablecards, so i don't understand how it's legal to sell the service and require the hardware rental as a separate fee... also, the channel lineups available are a giant mess requiring much effort to remove duplicates... can't really fault tivo for that... more conspiracy.
i'm just wondering if the set top boxes distributed by comcast also contain 5 copies of most network channels.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31291774</id>
	<title>Cable lock-in and units are standnalone</title>
	<author>TalShiar00</author>
	<datestamp>1267185180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are 2 main reasons I see that more people to not have a Tivo<br>1) It is competing products, try getting the numbers for people with a DVR. Most people I know have a cable or satellite or U-verse DVR instead. While truely being more expensive int he long run they feel the $24 a month is less expensive than a few hundred for a HD tivo plus the monthly or lifetime service. However they are getting killed because you are locked into using local cable company. HD will only use cable card and you can use a IR transmitter to change the channel on a satellite box for non-HD but the channel changing is painfully slow and it will occasionally miss the channel change and you wont have your show recorded.</p><p>2) Their killer app would be to have while house DVR system where by you have a single dual tuner HD tivo to records all shows. Then you would purchase individual client boxes (100-200 price range) that have a small HD, ethernet connection and remote receiver. This way you can call up your recordings on any TV in your house and start the video stream immediately rather than spending hundreds on individual tivos, service agreements, and setting up recordings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are 2 main reasons I see that more people to not have a Tivo1 ) It is competing products , try getting the numbers for people with a DVR .
Most people I know have a cable or satellite or U-verse DVR instead .
While truely being more expensive int he long run they feel the $ 24 a month is less expensive than a few hundred for a HD tivo plus the monthly or lifetime service .
However they are getting killed because you are locked into using local cable company .
HD will only use cable card and you can use a IR transmitter to change the channel on a satellite box for non-HD but the channel changing is painfully slow and it will occasionally miss the channel change and you wont have your show recorded.2 ) Their killer app would be to have while house DVR system where by you have a single dual tuner HD tivo to records all shows .
Then you would purchase individual client boxes ( 100-200 price range ) that have a small HD , ethernet connection and remote receiver .
This way you can call up your recordings on any TV in your house and start the video stream immediately rather than spending hundreds on individual tivos , service agreements , and setting up recordings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are 2 main reasons I see that more people to not have a Tivo1) It is competing products, try getting the numbers for people with a DVR.
Most people I know have a cable or satellite or U-verse DVR instead.
While truely being more expensive int he long run they feel the $24 a month is less expensive than a few hundred for a HD tivo plus the monthly or lifetime service.
However they are getting killed because you are locked into using local cable company.
HD will only use cable card and you can use a IR transmitter to change the channel on a satellite box for non-HD but the channel changing is painfully slow and it will occasionally miss the channel change and you wont have your show recorded.2) Their killer app would be to have while house DVR system where by you have a single dual tuner HD tivo to records all shows.
Then you would purchase individual client boxes (100-200 price range) that have a small HD, ethernet connection and remote receiver.
This way you can call up your recordings on any TV in your house and start the video stream immediately rather than spending hundreds on individual tivos, service agreements, and setting up recordings.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31298508</id>
	<title>Should have used the Netflix strategy</title>
	<author>Stuntmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1267300260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo has good technology, but got marginalized because they didn't integrate with the wide variety of tuners out there.  They needed to somehow negotiate their way onto every device they possibly could.  Look at the Netflix streaming service today:  It's on Roku boxes, many Blu-Ray players, XBox/PS3/Wii, and now built into many HDTVs.  Netflix understands that their relevance is directly tied to how easy and ubiquitous they are, and like YouTube they basically give the technology to anyone who wants to integrate it.  Tivo it seems took a more antagonistic approach, which resulted in the cable companies developing their own technologies.</p><p>The other thing that Tivo is doing is pricing themselves out of the market.  Every other consumer device over the same period of time has fallen significantly in price (HDTVs, DVD players, Blu-Ray players, game consoles), whereas Tivo has gone the other way.  The Tivo I bought in ~2001 was much cheaper than the HD Tivo today.  Their technology is good, but for me not good enough to justify these prices.</p><p>In terms of root cause, it's widely known in the Valley that Tivo has a bad management team.  The people I know who worked there do not say good things; basically they don't know what they're trying to do.  They accidentally got some great engineers at one point long ago, and are trying to coast on that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo has good technology , but got marginalized because they did n't integrate with the wide variety of tuners out there .
They needed to somehow negotiate their way onto every device they possibly could .
Look at the Netflix streaming service today : It 's on Roku boxes , many Blu-Ray players , XBox/PS3/Wii , and now built into many HDTVs .
Netflix understands that their relevance is directly tied to how easy and ubiquitous they are , and like YouTube they basically give the technology to anyone who wants to integrate it .
Tivo it seems took a more antagonistic approach , which resulted in the cable companies developing their own technologies.The other thing that Tivo is doing is pricing themselves out of the market .
Every other consumer device over the same period of time has fallen significantly in price ( HDTVs , DVD players , Blu-Ray players , game consoles ) , whereas Tivo has gone the other way .
The Tivo I bought in ~ 2001 was much cheaper than the HD Tivo today .
Their technology is good , but for me not good enough to justify these prices.In terms of root cause , it 's widely known in the Valley that Tivo has a bad management team .
The people I know who worked there do not say good things ; basically they do n't know what they 're trying to do .
They accidentally got some great engineers at one point long ago , and are trying to coast on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo has good technology, but got marginalized because they didn't integrate with the wide variety of tuners out there.
They needed to somehow negotiate their way onto every device they possibly could.
Look at the Netflix streaming service today:  It's on Roku boxes, many Blu-Ray players, XBox/PS3/Wii, and now built into many HDTVs.
Netflix understands that their relevance is directly tied to how easy and ubiquitous they are, and like YouTube they basically give the technology to anyone who wants to integrate it.
Tivo it seems took a more antagonistic approach, which resulted in the cable companies developing their own technologies.The other thing that Tivo is doing is pricing themselves out of the market.
Every other consumer device over the same period of time has fallen significantly in price (HDTVs, DVD players, Blu-Ray players, game consoles), whereas Tivo has gone the other way.
The Tivo I bought in ~2001 was much cheaper than the HD Tivo today.
Their technology is good, but for me not good enough to justify these prices.In terms of root cause, it's widely known in the Valley that Tivo has a bad management team.
The people I know who worked there do not say good things; basically they don't know what they're trying to do.
They accidentally got some great engineers at one point long ago, and are trying to coast on that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284076</id>
	<title>Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>What?<p><div class="quote"><p>Yet, despite being well-loved and despite having been around longer than the Apple iPod, TiVo comes nowhere close to the iPod/iPhone's success. Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company.</p></div><p>Why are you even comparing TiVo to the iPod.  Why should it come close to the iPod/iPhone's success? They aren't competing products...Are you saying that a product is only successful if it sells the same number of units as an iPod or is as popular as an iPhone?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What ? Yet , despite being well-loved and despite having been around longer than the Apple iPod , TiVo comes nowhere close to the iPod/iPhone 's success .
Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company.Why are you even comparing TiVo to the iPod .
Why should it come close to the iPod/iPhone 's success ?
They are n't competing products...Are you saying that a product is only successful if it sells the same number of units as an iPod or is as popular as an iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?Yet, despite being well-loved and despite having been around longer than the Apple iPod, TiVo comes nowhere close to the iPod/iPhone's success.
Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company.Why are you even comparing TiVo to the iPod.
Why should it come close to the iPod/iPhone's success?
They aren't competing products...Are you saying that a product is only successful if it sells the same number of units as an iPod or is as popular as an iPhone?
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	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>unitron</author>
	<datestamp>1267195980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $40 tuner card that works just fine. I can also move those files between my laptop and any other computer, so I can take my recorded shows anywhere.</p></div><p>Can you watch those shows on an actual television set without having to use that set as the computer's video display?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $ 40 tuner card that works just fine .
I can also move those files between my laptop and any other computer , so I can take my recorded shows anywhere.Can you watch those shows on an actual television set without having to use that set as the computer 's video display ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a DVR at home built with leftover parts and a $40 tuner card that works just fine.
I can also move those files between my laptop and any other computer, so I can take my recorded shows anywhere.Can you watch those shows on an actual television set without having to use that set as the computer's video display?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284312</id>
	<title>Re:We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1267196040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was one of the major reasons I chose ReplayTV over TiVo when I took the DVR plunge about 6 years or so ago.  Replay had both a phone and Ethernet port, and I didn't have a landline.</p><p>As a side effect, someone wrote an open source Java applet that pretends to be a ReplayTV and can copy shows from my Replay to my computer, schedule shows from the computer, etc.  So the Replay is sitting in the basement as the only thing hooked up to my Cable TV, and I haven't touched its remote in over a year.  It just records shows, and I copy them up to my Linux desktop to actually watch them.  Kinda like a MythTV server but without all the setup.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>I think TiVo added Ethernet and even wireless access later on.  I have to imagine they have by now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was one of the major reasons I chose ReplayTV over TiVo when I took the DVR plunge about 6 years or so ago .
Replay had both a phone and Ethernet port , and I did n't have a landline.As a side effect , someone wrote an open source Java applet that pretends to be a ReplayTV and can copy shows from my Replay to my computer , schedule shows from the computer , etc .
So the Replay is sitting in the basement as the only thing hooked up to my Cable TV , and I have n't touched its remote in over a year .
It just records shows , and I copy them up to my Linux desktop to actually watch them .
Kinda like a MythTV server but without all the setup .
: ) I think TiVo added Ethernet and even wireless access later on .
I have to imagine they have by now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was one of the major reasons I chose ReplayTV over TiVo when I took the DVR plunge about 6 years or so ago.
Replay had both a phone and Ethernet port, and I didn't have a landline.As a side effect, someone wrote an open source Java applet that pretends to be a ReplayTV and can copy shows from my Replay to my computer, schedule shows from the computer, etc.
So the Replay is sitting in the basement as the only thing hooked up to my Cable TV, and I haven't touched its remote in over a year.
It just records shows, and I copy them up to my Linux desktop to actually watch them.
Kinda like a MythTV server but without all the setup.
:)I think TiVo added Ethernet and even wireless access later on.
I have to imagine they have by now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285290</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267201320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya know, compared to the automobile... the iPod has been a resounding failure.  I believe I heard it on NPR that Toyota has sold more failing automobiles in the past 3 years than the total number of iPods Apple has sold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya know , compared to the automobile... the iPod has been a resounding failure .
I believe I heard it on NPR that Toyota has sold more failing automobiles in the past 3 years than the total number of iPods Apple has sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya know, compared to the automobile... the iPod has been a resounding failure.
I believe I heard it on NPR that Toyota has sold more failing automobiles in the past 3 years than the total number of iPods Apple has sold.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285312</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267201440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most cable companies offer a "free" dvr with a monthly fee that is comparable to TiVos, so if you were willing to pay the fee, you might as well just get the dvr from your cable company and save yourself the cash for the new hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most cable companies offer a " free " dvr with a monthly fee that is comparable to TiVos , so if you were willing to pay the fee , you might as well just get the dvr from your cable company and save yourself the cash for the new hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most cable companies offer a "free" dvr with a monthly fee that is comparable to TiVos, so if you were willing to pay the fee, you might as well just get the dvr from your cable company and save yourself the cash for the new hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31291486</id>
	<title>What Happened to TiVo</title>
	<author>Whatchamacallit</author>
	<datestamp>1267183500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mistakes:</p><p>1. Stopped issuing LifeTime Service Option<br>2. Slow to adapt to HD<br>3. Very expensive to adapt to HD when it was possible<br>4. Simply could not cut deals with the CableCo's for some reason... (DirectTV on again off again, etc.)</p><p>Fixes:</p><p>1. Restarted the LifeTime Service Option<br>2. Released major improvements in a software upgrade<br>3. Released cheaper HD capable TiVo's</p><p>Welcome to the new century, where I don't watch TV much anymore.  I dropped my cable down to the bare minimum just so I can turn on the news if something big happens.  I will likely cancel cable entirely in the near future.  I watch Internet TV now via Boxee and NetFlix and I purchase some items on iTunes.  If I really want 1080p HD content, I buy BluRay discs.  Otherwise, the TV's get used by video game consoles.</p><p>iTunes needs a couch potato subscription model for TV shows.  I want to pay a monthly fee, download any TV show, watch it up to a couple of times and then I really don't care about it any more.  I will still buy box sets for shows I really love like BattleStar Galactica, etc.  But to pay 2 bucks an episode, can get really expensive really quick.  Even 99 cents isn't good enough.</p><p>The studios won't do this because it will kill the cable companies!  The business model needs to change like it did for the music industry and I believe it will eventually but those networks just don't get it yet.  They are content houses but the traditional paid advertising model doesn't work any more.  I never buy stuff because I saw it in a commercial!  It's like Internet advertising before the IT bubble burst.  You could actually make a lot of money on advertising and then suddenly the bottom dropped out.  That's because in reality people ignore ads or outright block them.  The TiVo let's you fast forward through the ads and frankly if you could skip it entirely you would.  Right now the cost of a TV commercial is based on number of viewers and their ages based on time of day.  But really all those eyeballs are not really paying attention.  Just like the Internet where clicks were measured, the clicking stopped.  But there is no way to tell if people are actually watching the ads or not.  So all that money is wasted in some ways.</p><p>I don't know what's going to happen in the future but until advertising becomes something like what was shown in Minority Report, it's not going to work.... Unless you get some Japanese guys eyeballs transplanted, those ads will likely be something you care about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mistakes : 1 .
Stopped issuing LifeTime Service Option2 .
Slow to adapt to HD3 .
Very expensive to adapt to HD when it was possible4 .
Simply could not cut deals with the CableCo 's for some reason... ( DirectTV on again off again , etc. ) Fixes : 1 .
Restarted the LifeTime Service Option2 .
Released major improvements in a software upgrade3 .
Released cheaper HD capable TiVo'sWelcome to the new century , where I do n't watch TV much anymore .
I dropped my cable down to the bare minimum just so I can turn on the news if something big happens .
I will likely cancel cable entirely in the near future .
I watch Internet TV now via Boxee and NetFlix and I purchase some items on iTunes .
If I really want 1080p HD content , I buy BluRay discs .
Otherwise , the TV 's get used by video game consoles.iTunes needs a couch potato subscription model for TV shows .
I want to pay a monthly fee , download any TV show , watch it up to a couple of times and then I really do n't care about it any more .
I will still buy box sets for shows I really love like BattleStar Galactica , etc .
But to pay 2 bucks an episode , can get really expensive really quick .
Even 99 cents is n't good enough.The studios wo n't do this because it will kill the cable companies !
The business model needs to change like it did for the music industry and I believe it will eventually but those networks just do n't get it yet .
They are content houses but the traditional paid advertising model does n't work any more .
I never buy stuff because I saw it in a commercial !
It 's like Internet advertising before the IT bubble burst .
You could actually make a lot of money on advertising and then suddenly the bottom dropped out .
That 's because in reality people ignore ads or outright block them .
The TiVo let 's you fast forward through the ads and frankly if you could skip it entirely you would .
Right now the cost of a TV commercial is based on number of viewers and their ages based on time of day .
But really all those eyeballs are not really paying attention .
Just like the Internet where clicks were measured , the clicking stopped .
But there is no way to tell if people are actually watching the ads or not .
So all that money is wasted in some ways.I do n't know what 's going to happen in the future but until advertising becomes something like what was shown in Minority Report , it 's not going to work.... Unless you get some Japanese guys eyeballs transplanted , those ads will likely be something you care about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mistakes:1.
Stopped issuing LifeTime Service Option2.
Slow to adapt to HD3.
Very expensive to adapt to HD when it was possible4.
Simply could not cut deals with the CableCo's for some reason... (DirectTV on again off again, etc.)Fixes:1.
Restarted the LifeTime Service Option2.
Released major improvements in a software upgrade3.
Released cheaper HD capable TiVo'sWelcome to the new century, where I don't watch TV much anymore.
I dropped my cable down to the bare minimum just so I can turn on the news if something big happens.
I will likely cancel cable entirely in the near future.
I watch Internet TV now via Boxee and NetFlix and I purchase some items on iTunes.
If I really want 1080p HD content, I buy BluRay discs.
Otherwise, the TV's get used by video game consoles.iTunes needs a couch potato subscription model for TV shows.
I want to pay a monthly fee, download any TV show, watch it up to a couple of times and then I really don't care about it any more.
I will still buy box sets for shows I really love like BattleStar Galactica, etc.
But to pay 2 bucks an episode, can get really expensive really quick.
Even 99 cents isn't good enough.The studios won't do this because it will kill the cable companies!
The business model needs to change like it did for the music industry and I believe it will eventually but those networks just don't get it yet.
They are content houses but the traditional paid advertising model doesn't work any more.
I never buy stuff because I saw it in a commercial!
It's like Internet advertising before the IT bubble burst.
You could actually make a lot of money on advertising and then suddenly the bottom dropped out.
That's because in reality people ignore ads or outright block them.
The TiVo let's you fast forward through the ads and frankly if you could skip it entirely you would.
Right now the cost of a TV commercial is based on number of viewers and their ages based on time of day.
But really all those eyeballs are not really paying attention.
Just like the Internet where clicks were measured, the clicking stopped.
But there is no way to tell if people are actually watching the ads or not.
So all that money is wasted in some ways.I don't know what's going to happen in the future but until advertising becomes something like what was shown in Minority Report, it's not going to work.... Unless you get some Japanese guys eyeballs transplanted, those ads will likely be something you care about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283966</id>
	<title>Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1267193880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The world of gadgets is full of technically superior products that failed. Tivo's just another example. Some had a good idea and bad implementation. Others had poor reliability or couldn't deliver product to the customer. From where I see it, Tivo's just another DVR (though to be fair, I've never actually seen a tivo in the flesh - maybe that says' something about their reach outside the world of geeky-dom) and has to complete with all the new products that are better / faster / cheaper / prettier.
<p>
File away with 8-track, betamax and video disks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The world of gadgets is full of technically superior products that failed .
Tivo 's just another example .
Some had a good idea and bad implementation .
Others had poor reliability or could n't deliver product to the customer .
From where I see it , Tivo 's just another DVR ( though to be fair , I 've never actually seen a tivo in the flesh - maybe that says ' something about their reach outside the world of geeky-dom ) and has to complete with all the new products that are better / faster / cheaper / prettier .
File away with 8-track , betamax and video disks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world of gadgets is full of technically superior products that failed.
Tivo's just another example.
Some had a good idea and bad implementation.
Others had poor reliability or couldn't deliver product to the customer.
From where I see it, Tivo's just another DVR (though to be fair, I've never actually seen a tivo in the flesh - maybe that says' something about their reach outside the world of geeky-dom) and has to complete with all the new products that are better / faster / cheaper / prettier.
File away with 8-track, betamax and video disks</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285414</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>debus</author>
	<datestamp>1267201860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is exactly the problem I have with it: the monthly fee.   It is outrageously high for providing scheduling information.  If it was 1/2 the current price, I might be able to justify it.  No way at 12.95.

The hardware is a bit pricey, but it isn't really the deal breaker for me.  I just can't abide that monthly fee.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is exactly the problem I have with it : the monthly fee .
It is outrageously high for providing scheduling information .
If it was 1/2 the current price , I might be able to justify it .
No way at 12.95 .
The hardware is a bit pricey , but it is n't really the deal breaker for me .
I just ca n't abide that monthly fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is exactly the problem I have with it: the monthly fee.
It is outrageously high for providing scheduling information.
If it was 1/2 the current price, I might be able to justify it.
No way at 12.95.
The hardware is a bit pricey, but it isn't really the deal breaker for me.
I just can't abide that monthly fee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285668</id>
	<title>Slow tech refresh and weak open access advocacy</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1267203120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclaimer:  I own 3 Tivos; a Series 2 standalone bought in 2002 that's going strong (albeit soon to be nearly obsoleted by Comcast's digital conversion), and two HD Tivos.  It will be a sad day when I have to replace them with POS cable products or some Frankenstein</p><p>IMHO, what's hurt Tivo has been a couple of things.  One is painfully slow technology refresh.</p><p>When I bought my Series 2 in 2002, most digital cable channels (HBO, Encore, etc) offered DD 5.1 audio on most or all programs.  The Series 2 had no digital audio interface but even by 2002 standards should have been able to handle digital audio.  It wasn't until the release of the Series 3 some 3? 4? years later, which required a CableCard (and thus the delay for CableCard) before digital audio was available.</p><p>What should have happened is a new unit (Series 2.5?) issued with digital audio capabilities to bridge that gap.  HD would have still been an issue, but HD boxes would downcovert and we could have had digital audio.  Other hardware items they should have been more aggressive about include external storage and DVD burning.  They had a burner model but it was too little, too late.</p><p>Tivo also blew it on "open access" advocacy.</p><p>They should have made a lot more noise about CableCard and breaking the cable company digital encoding stranglehold.  A much more public advocacy that made it plain that cable companies are really only interested in monopolies and bullshit upcharges for throwaway hardware paid for 10x over by rental fees.</p><p>PC integration has also been lame and crippled.  Tivo 2 Go should have used TivoDesktop to generate burn-ready DVD ISOs and not required third party software or bullshit copy protection.</p><p>I still love my Tivos for what they do with elegance, simplicity and reliability, but wholly agree they just can't really get it together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I own 3 Tivos ; a Series 2 standalone bought in 2002 that 's going strong ( albeit soon to be nearly obsoleted by Comcast 's digital conversion ) , and two HD Tivos .
It will be a sad day when I have to replace them with POS cable products or some FrankensteinIMHO , what 's hurt Tivo has been a couple of things .
One is painfully slow technology refresh.When I bought my Series 2 in 2002 , most digital cable channels ( HBO , Encore , etc ) offered DD 5.1 audio on most or all programs .
The Series 2 had no digital audio interface but even by 2002 standards should have been able to handle digital audio .
It was n't until the release of the Series 3 some 3 ?
4 ? years later , which required a CableCard ( and thus the delay for CableCard ) before digital audio was available.What should have happened is a new unit ( Series 2.5 ?
) issued with digital audio capabilities to bridge that gap .
HD would have still been an issue , but HD boxes would downcovert and we could have had digital audio .
Other hardware items they should have been more aggressive about include external storage and DVD burning .
They had a burner model but it was too little , too late.Tivo also blew it on " open access " advocacy.They should have made a lot more noise about CableCard and breaking the cable company digital encoding stranglehold .
A much more public advocacy that made it plain that cable companies are really only interested in monopolies and bullshit upcharges for throwaway hardware paid for 10x over by rental fees.PC integration has also been lame and crippled .
Tivo 2 Go should have used TivoDesktop to generate burn-ready DVD ISOs and not required third party software or bullshit copy protection.I still love my Tivos for what they do with elegance , simplicity and reliability , but wholly agree they just ca n't really get it together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer:  I own 3 Tivos; a Series 2 standalone bought in 2002 that's going strong (albeit soon to be nearly obsoleted by Comcast's digital conversion), and two HD Tivos.
It will be a sad day when I have to replace them with POS cable products or some FrankensteinIMHO, what's hurt Tivo has been a couple of things.
One is painfully slow technology refresh.When I bought my Series 2 in 2002, most digital cable channels (HBO, Encore, etc) offered DD 5.1 audio on most or all programs.
The Series 2 had no digital audio interface but even by 2002 standards should have been able to handle digital audio.
It wasn't until the release of the Series 3 some 3?
4? years later, which required a CableCard (and thus the delay for CableCard) before digital audio was available.What should have happened is a new unit (Series 2.5?
) issued with digital audio capabilities to bridge that gap.
HD would have still been an issue, but HD boxes would downcovert and we could have had digital audio.
Other hardware items they should have been more aggressive about include external storage and DVD burning.
They had a burner model but it was too little, too late.Tivo also blew it on "open access" advocacy.They should have made a lot more noise about CableCard and breaking the cable company digital encoding stranglehold.
A much more public advocacy that made it plain that cable companies are really only interested in monopolies and bullshit upcharges for throwaway hardware paid for 10x over by rental fees.PC integration has also been lame and crippled.
Tivo 2 Go should have used TivoDesktop to generate burn-ready DVD ISOs and not required third party software or bullshit copy protection.I still love my Tivos for what they do with elegance, simplicity and reliability, but wholly agree they just can't really get it together.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31306986</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1267381260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Increasingly, there's no functional difference between "televison" and "computer video display". I'm on my fourth television with VGA inputs. Just about any TV these days supports HDMI input... HDMI is a superset of DVI-D... so pretty much any digital TV can display HD computer video. Going the other way, many of the new cheap LCD monitors are made using panels originally designed for TVs (hint: the computer standard is 16:10, the video standard is 16:9... all those cheap 1920x1080 monitors are really using TV panels).</p><p>And really, what's the difference once you're digital... is there anything particularly different when the TiVo makes an HD image using a DVB-HD SOC, rather than your TV doing it with an ATSC SOC, your PS3 making it with its dedicated graphics chip, or your PC doing it with nVidia or AMD/ATi graphics? A video signal is a video signal, there days.</p><p>I have monitors here, from the new Westinghouse company. They're on 16:10, 1920x1200 MVA panels, so very computer-industry. No turner, either. But they support HDMI rather than DVI, including audio over HDMI, so you can use these for stand-alone video playback. Plus, they support VGA, YPrPb, S/V and CVBS analog inputs... so you can connect up practically any video device made in the last 50 years and get an upconverted picture.</p><p>One of my kids has a 28" LCD TV, but it does a full 1080p image, and looks great as a computer monitor. And in fact, the same company (Hann) makes the identical screen in the same plastic, without the tuner and with a DVI input, and sells it as a monitor.</p><p>The "monitor vs. TV" thing is really not much of a question anymore. You probably find that for TV use, there's at least a mode (on an LCD display) for dynamic contrast (native LCD contrast is usually 1000:1 or so, CRT-based TVs offer at least 10,000:1)... for computer use, there's a mode that guarantees 1:1 pixel mapping, not always the default on a TV, even a digital one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Increasingly , there 's no functional difference between " televison " and " computer video display " .
I 'm on my fourth television with VGA inputs .
Just about any TV these days supports HDMI input... HDMI is a superset of DVI-D... so pretty much any digital TV can display HD computer video .
Going the other way , many of the new cheap LCD monitors are made using panels originally designed for TVs ( hint : the computer standard is 16 : 10 , the video standard is 16 : 9... all those cheap 1920x1080 monitors are really using TV panels ) .And really , what 's the difference once you 're digital... is there anything particularly different when the TiVo makes an HD image using a DVB-HD SOC , rather than your TV doing it with an ATSC SOC , your PS3 making it with its dedicated graphics chip , or your PC doing it with nVidia or AMD/ATi graphics ?
A video signal is a video signal , there days.I have monitors here , from the new Westinghouse company .
They 're on 16 : 10 , 1920x1200 MVA panels , so very computer-industry .
No turner , either .
But they support HDMI rather than DVI , including audio over HDMI , so you can use these for stand-alone video playback .
Plus , they support VGA , YPrPb , S/V and CVBS analog inputs... so you can connect up practically any video device made in the last 50 years and get an upconverted picture.One of my kids has a 28 " LCD TV , but it does a full 1080p image , and looks great as a computer monitor .
And in fact , the same company ( Hann ) makes the identical screen in the same plastic , without the tuner and with a DVI input , and sells it as a monitor.The " monitor vs. TV " thing is really not much of a question anymore .
You probably find that for TV use , there 's at least a mode ( on an LCD display ) for dynamic contrast ( native LCD contrast is usually 1000 : 1 or so , CRT-based TVs offer at least 10,000 : 1 ) ... for computer use , there 's a mode that guarantees 1 : 1 pixel mapping , not always the default on a TV , even a digital one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Increasingly, there's no functional difference between "televison" and "computer video display".
I'm on my fourth television with VGA inputs.
Just about any TV these days supports HDMI input... HDMI is a superset of DVI-D... so pretty much any digital TV can display HD computer video.
Going the other way, many of the new cheap LCD monitors are made using panels originally designed for TVs (hint: the computer standard is 16:10, the video standard is 16:9... all those cheap 1920x1080 monitors are really using TV panels).And really, what's the difference once you're digital... is there anything particularly different when the TiVo makes an HD image using a DVB-HD SOC, rather than your TV doing it with an ATSC SOC, your PS3 making it with its dedicated graphics chip, or your PC doing it with nVidia or AMD/ATi graphics?
A video signal is a video signal, there days.I have monitors here, from the new Westinghouse company.
They're on 16:10, 1920x1200 MVA panels, so very computer-industry.
No turner, either.
But they support HDMI rather than DVI, including audio over HDMI, so you can use these for stand-alone video playback.
Plus, they support VGA, YPrPb, S/V and CVBS analog inputs... so you can connect up practically any video device made in the last 50 years and get an upconverted picture.One of my kids has a 28" LCD TV, but it does a full 1080p image, and looks great as a computer monitor.
And in fact, the same company (Hann) makes the identical screen in the same plastic, without the tuner and with a DVI input, and sells it as a monitor.The "monitor vs. TV" thing is really not much of a question anymore.
You probably find that for TV use, there's at least a mode (on an LCD display) for dynamic contrast (native LCD contrast is usually 1000:1 or so, CRT-based TVs offer at least 10,000:1)... for computer use, there's a mode that guarantees 1:1 pixel mapping, not always the default on a TV, even a digital one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286284</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1267205460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee, then they'd takeoff like iPod, but most people simply don't see the need to throw-away money like that. They have to budget their spending, which means they choose options without the fees (like I did).</p></div></blockquote><p>Well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... considering that I've been a TiVo user for the past 5 years, and have not payed a monthly fee, I'm not sure what you mean.</p><p>They have always (with the exception of a short period of about 4-6 months), offered the option of buying a "Lifetime Subscription" instead of a "Monthly Subscription".  The cost of the Lifetime Subscription usually pays for itself after about 2-3 years, but there is no recurring expenses.</p><p>The main problem is that people seem to get sticker shock for large up-front costs (unsubsidized DVR, Lifetime Subscription), versus paying less per month, but paying more long term.</p><p>I ditched cable about six months ago, replacing it with a TiVo for Over-The-Air signals, and a MacMini both hooked up to DSL through Verizon.</p><p>According to the numbers I've run, assuming you are paying ~$120 for Cable/CableModem, assuming you need to buy all the hardware from scratch (32" HDTV, MacMini, TiVo HDXL w/Lifetime Service, cables, Antenna, etc.), and including the monthly DSL cost, you hit the break even point in ~2 years (MAX).  Already own an HDTV?  The Break even point drops to about 1.3-1.5 years.</p><p>This works great for me.<br>- The TiVo w/Dual tuners pulls in enough Over The Air content (living in NYC where I had LOUSY reception before the Digital switch), it also has access to Amazon Video on Demand to supplement shows/movies that aren't on Hulu, or Over-The-Air TV.<br>- The MacMini makes a great HTPC for Internet TV like Hulu (great for a lot of "Cable Original" programming), etc (check out <a href="http://www.zinc.tv/" title="www.zinc.tv">http://www.zinc.tv/</a> [www.zinc.tv] for a great OSX/Windows from end to Internet TV).  It also has access to iTunes to supplement Video from if you want to watch a show/movie that isn't on Hulu or Amazon Video.</p><p>I'm saving $100 a month over when I had Cable and still have more viewing choices then I know what to do with, all with NO recurring monthly charges.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee , then they 'd takeoff like iPod , but most people simply do n't see the need to throw-away money like that .
They have to budget their spending , which means they choose options without the fees ( like I did ) .Well ... considering that I 've been a TiVo user for the past 5 years , and have not payed a monthly fee , I 'm not sure what you mean.They have always ( with the exception of a short period of about 4-6 months ) , offered the option of buying a " Lifetime Subscription " instead of a " Monthly Subscription " .
The cost of the Lifetime Subscription usually pays for itself after about 2-3 years , but there is no recurring expenses.The main problem is that people seem to get sticker shock for large up-front costs ( unsubsidized DVR , Lifetime Subscription ) , versus paying less per month , but paying more long term.I ditched cable about six months ago , replacing it with a TiVo for Over-The-Air signals , and a MacMini both hooked up to DSL through Verizon.According to the numbers I 've run , assuming you are paying ~ $ 120 for Cable/CableModem , assuming you need to buy all the hardware from scratch ( 32 " HDTV , MacMini , TiVo HDXL w/Lifetime Service , cables , Antenna , etc .
) , and including the monthly DSL cost , you hit the break even point in ~ 2 years ( MAX ) .
Already own an HDTV ?
The Break even point drops to about 1.3-1.5 years.This works great for me.- The TiVo w/Dual tuners pulls in enough Over The Air content ( living in NYC where I had LOUSY reception before the Digital switch ) , it also has access to Amazon Video on Demand to supplement shows/movies that are n't on Hulu , or Over-The-Air TV.- The MacMini makes a great HTPC for Internet TV like Hulu ( great for a lot of " Cable Original " programming ) , etc ( check out http : //www.zinc.tv/ [ www.zinc.tv ] for a great OSX/Windows from end to Internet TV ) .
It also has access to iTunes to supplement Video from if you want to watch a show/movie that is n't on Hulu or Amazon Video.I 'm saving $ 100 a month over when I had Cable and still have more viewing choices then I know what to do with , all with NO recurring monthly charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee, then they'd takeoff like iPod, but most people simply don't see the need to throw-away money like that.
They have to budget their spending, which means they choose options without the fees (like I did).Well ... considering that I've been a TiVo user for the past 5 years, and have not payed a monthly fee, I'm not sure what you mean.They have always (with the exception of a short period of about 4-6 months), offered the option of buying a "Lifetime Subscription" instead of a "Monthly Subscription".
The cost of the Lifetime Subscription usually pays for itself after about 2-3 years, but there is no recurring expenses.The main problem is that people seem to get sticker shock for large up-front costs (unsubsidized DVR, Lifetime Subscription), versus paying less per month, but paying more long term.I ditched cable about six months ago, replacing it with a TiVo for Over-The-Air signals, and a MacMini both hooked up to DSL through Verizon.According to the numbers I've run, assuming you are paying ~$120 for Cable/CableModem, assuming you need to buy all the hardware from scratch (32" HDTV, MacMini, TiVo HDXL w/Lifetime Service, cables, Antenna, etc.
), and including the monthly DSL cost, you hit the break even point in ~2 years (MAX).
Already own an HDTV?
The Break even point drops to about 1.3-1.5 years.This works great for me.- The TiVo w/Dual tuners pulls in enough Over The Air content (living in NYC where I had LOUSY reception before the Digital switch), it also has access to Amazon Video on Demand to supplement shows/movies that aren't on Hulu, or Over-The-Air TV.- The MacMini makes a great HTPC for Internet TV like Hulu (great for a lot of "Cable Original" programming), etc (check out http://www.zinc.tv/ [www.zinc.tv] for a great OSX/Windows from end to Internet TV).
It also has access to iTunes to supplement Video from if you want to watch a show/movie that isn't on Hulu or Amazon Video.I'm saving $100 a month over when I had Cable and still have more viewing choices then I know what to do with, all with NO recurring monthly charges.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286294</id>
	<title>More iPods than TiVos?!?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267205460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see... your family of four will buy:</p><ul><li>4 iPods (one for each person)</li><li>1 TiVo (one for the whole family)</li></ul><p>and...</p><ul><li>iPods get replaced every ~2 years</li><li>Moreover, iPods get destroyed, stolen &amp; lost - and then replaced</li><li>Most people would be very irritated if they had to replace the TiVo more than every 4 years</li></ul><p>That <em>might</em> be contributing to the iPods greater success. Maybe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see... your family of four will buy : 4 iPods ( one for each person ) 1 TiVo ( one for the whole family ) and...iPods get replaced every ~ 2 yearsMoreover , iPods get destroyed , stolen &amp; lost - and then replacedMost people would be very irritated if they had to replace the TiVo more than every 4 yearsThat might be contributing to the iPods greater success .
Maybe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see... your family of four will buy:4 iPods (one for each person)1 TiVo (one for the whole family)and...iPods get replaced every ~2 yearsMoreover, iPods get destroyed, stolen &amp; lost - and then replacedMost people would be very irritated if they had to replace the TiVo more than every 4 yearsThat might be contributing to the iPods greater success.
Maybe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287706</id>
	<title>Re:Confessions of a former TIvo owner</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1267210080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... why didn't they put an option to set this up?</p><p>Something like:</p><p>Messages &amp; Settings -&gt; Settings -&gt; Video -&gt; Video Output Format</p><p>I mean, how hard would it have been?</p><p>Oh.  That IS where the setting is?  Never mind then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah ... why did n't they put an option to set this up ? Something like : Messages &amp; Settings - &gt; Settings - &gt; Video - &gt; Video Output FormatI mean , how hard would it have been ? Oh .
That IS where the setting is ?
Never mind then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah ... why didn't they put an option to set this up?Something like:Messages &amp; Settings -&gt; Settings -&gt; Video -&gt; Video Output FormatI mean, how hard would it have been?Oh.
That IS where the setting is?
Never mind then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286280</id>
	<title>It's simple business plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267205460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's simple they made the mistake of having a pore business plan. Instead of trying to make revenue from selling hardware and subscript based services they should have been trying to license there IP to the STB OEM's that supply the major cable/sat providers giving them an establish market instead of trying to single handedly trying to break into a controlled market. Tivo and Replay where first to market with a great products but its one that even they all logic said it will ultimately be integrated into TV's and Cable Issue STB's.</p><p>In short instead of trying to be Apple they should have tried to be Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's simple they made the mistake of having a pore business plan .
Instead of trying to make revenue from selling hardware and subscript based services they should have been trying to license there IP to the STB OEM 's that supply the major cable/sat providers giving them an establish market instead of trying to single handedly trying to break into a controlled market .
Tivo and Replay where first to market with a great products but its one that even they all logic said it will ultimately be integrated into TV 's and Cable Issue STB 's.In short instead of trying to be Apple they should have tried to be Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's simple they made the mistake of having a pore business plan.
Instead of trying to make revenue from selling hardware and subscript based services they should have been trying to license there IP to the STB OEM's that supply the major cable/sat providers giving them an establish market instead of trying to single handedly trying to break into a controlled market.
Tivo and Replay where first to market with a great products but its one that even they all logic said it will ultimately be integrated into TV's and Cable Issue STB's.In short instead of trying to be Apple they should have tried to be Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284100</id>
	<title>DVR in Europe and South Africa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In South Africa I had digital satelite TV which had about 70 channels. Later they came out with a DVR with time shifting. After moving to the Netherlands I expected a way-better service (being "1st world") and everything. Not so: the UPC digital cable service was pretty much the same and in the same order of price. It also had about the same number of channels but there are many Dutch language channels that I don't watch. Major differences are the prevalence of sub-titles in the Dutch service on all English channels except for things like Euro news and CNN, CNBC etc. Also less film info on the film channels (the SA film info always had date of film, directory and leads). Film channels are a premium extra. And no BBC food channel - *sigh*.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In South Africa I had digital satelite TV which had about 70 channels .
Later they came out with a DVR with time shifting .
After moving to the Netherlands I expected a way-better service ( being " 1st world " ) and everything .
Not so : the UPC digital cable service was pretty much the same and in the same order of price .
It also had about the same number of channels but there are many Dutch language channels that I do n't watch .
Major differences are the prevalence of sub-titles in the Dutch service on all English channels except for things like Euro news and CNN , CNBC etc .
Also less film info on the film channels ( the SA film info always had date of film , directory and leads ) .
Film channels are a premium extra .
And no BBC food channel - * sigh * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In South Africa I had digital satelite TV which had about 70 channels.
Later they came out with a DVR with time shifting.
After moving to the Netherlands I expected a way-better service (being "1st world") and everything.
Not so: the UPC digital cable service was pretty much the same and in the same order of price.
It also had about the same number of channels but there are many Dutch language channels that I don't watch.
Major differences are the prevalence of sub-titles in the Dutch service on all English channels except for things like Euro news and CNN, CNBC etc.
Also less film info on the film channels (the SA film info always had date of film, directory and leads).
Film channels are a premium extra.
And no BBC food channel - *sigh*.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284684</id>
	<title>TiVo has a new lease of life in the UK</title>
	<author>Fross</author>
	<datestamp>1267198020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They announced a few months ago, that all Virgin media's customers will have new boxes with software provided by TiVo, from 2010.  That's currently around 4 million customers.</p><p><a href="http://www.techradar.com/news/television/virgin-media-bringing-tivo-back-to-uk-653858" title="techradar.com">http://www.techradar.com/news/television/virgin-media-bringing-tivo-back-to-uk-653858</a> [techradar.com]</p><p>Not sure how this ties up with Virgin's general plans, to roll out faster fiber nationwide.  I can't see the point of a PVR when you have enough bandwidth to stream anything on demand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They announced a few months ago , that all Virgin media 's customers will have new boxes with software provided by TiVo , from 2010 .
That 's currently around 4 million customers.http : //www.techradar.com/news/television/virgin-media-bringing-tivo-back-to-uk-653858 [ techradar.com ] Not sure how this ties up with Virgin 's general plans , to roll out faster fiber nationwide .
I ca n't see the point of a PVR when you have enough bandwidth to stream anything on demand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They announced a few months ago, that all Virgin media's customers will have new boxes with software provided by TiVo, from 2010.
That's currently around 4 million customers.http://www.techradar.com/news/television/virgin-media-bringing-tivo-back-to-uk-653858 [techradar.com]Not sure how this ties up with Virgin's general plans, to roll out faster fiber nationwide.
I can't see the point of a PVR when you have enough bandwidth to stream anything on demand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31291186</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>RJFerret</author>
	<datestamp>1267181700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly, I never understood why people paid for Tivo when you could simply buy any of the competitors' boxes with no subscription cost.  Almost a decade ago now I got my Toshiba, and it not only is a PVR, but also can edit and record DVDs.  What's more it can automatically put chapter breaks at commercials, so you can skip them with one button.</p><p>The best feature though?  Being able to watch something at double speed with clear audio.  You can watch an "hour" show in 22 minutes.  Double-speed is great for sports too.</p><p>However now it's kind of a moot point as there's Hulu, now I don't even need to think about recording or program diddly-squat, I get emailed when it's ready!  The only issue is nobody streams to watch at double speed yet (although players like VLC can play at 1.5x and 2x speed with clear enough audio, as well as slow-mo, you have to download the por...erm, show first).</p><p>-Randy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , I never understood why people paid for Tivo when you could simply buy any of the competitors ' boxes with no subscription cost .
Almost a decade ago now I got my Toshiba , and it not only is a PVR , but also can edit and record DVDs .
What 's more it can automatically put chapter breaks at commercials , so you can skip them with one button.The best feature though ?
Being able to watch something at double speed with clear audio .
You can watch an " hour " show in 22 minutes .
Double-speed is great for sports too.However now it 's kind of a moot point as there 's Hulu , now I do n't even need to think about recording or program diddly-squat , I get emailed when it 's ready !
The only issue is nobody streams to watch at double speed yet ( although players like VLC can play at 1.5x and 2x speed with clear enough audio , as well as slow-mo , you have to download the por...erm , show first ) .-Randy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, I never understood why people paid for Tivo when you could simply buy any of the competitors' boxes with no subscription cost.
Almost a decade ago now I got my Toshiba, and it not only is a PVR, but also can edit and record DVDs.
What's more it can automatically put chapter breaks at commercials, so you can skip them with one button.The best feature though?
Being able to watch something at double speed with clear audio.
You can watch an "hour" show in 22 minutes.
Double-speed is great for sports too.However now it's kind of a moot point as there's Hulu, now I don't even need to think about recording or program diddly-squat, I get emailed when it's ready!
The only issue is nobody streams to watch at double speed yet (although players like VLC can play at 1.5x and 2x speed with clear enough audio, as well as slow-mo, you have to download the por...erm, show first).-Randy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284746</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1267198260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love MythTV but, lets be honest, setting it up was a week's worth of intensive nerding...
</p><p>While its quite friendly in day-to-day use and has really cool features (e.g. MythWeb, multiple front ends...) it all goes a bit pear shaped when it comes to configuration.
</p><p>Tuning, in particular is a major hassle (thats in the UK with digital terrestrial - your mileage may vary).  Partly, of course, that's because it supports so many standards and hardware alternatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love MythTV but , lets be honest , setting it up was a week 's worth of intensive nerding.. . While its quite friendly in day-to-day use and has really cool features ( e.g .
MythWeb , multiple front ends... ) it all goes a bit pear shaped when it comes to configuration .
Tuning , in particular is a major hassle ( thats in the UK with digital terrestrial - your mileage may vary ) .
Partly , of course , that 's because it supports so many standards and hardware alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love MythTV but, lets be honest, setting it up was a week's worth of intensive nerding...
While its quite friendly in day-to-day use and has really cool features (e.g.
MythWeb, multiple front ends...) it all goes a bit pear shaped when it comes to configuration.
Tuning, in particular is a major hassle (thats in the UK with digital terrestrial - your mileage may vary).
Partly, of course, that's because it supports so many standards and hardware alternatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284592</id>
	<title>Real geeks use myth tv</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267197480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As geeks like Tivo and real geeks use Myth TV there are never going to be a huge bunch of Tivo users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As geeks like Tivo and real geeks use Myth TV there are never going to be a huge bunch of Tivo users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As geeks like Tivo and real geeks use Myth TV there are never going to be a huge bunch of Tivo users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287176</id>
	<title>tivo is simply old news.</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1267208340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>tivo was cool for a little wile it did stuff we couldn't do before with a tv. but tivo got old in the digital era. .  a pc media center is cheap and can do more without fees. and with most hdtv system able to take a dvi pc input making them large monoters you got everything you need inside one tower or small form box depeding on what you buy. tv for the most part is fading away. its being replaced by the internet and steaming video. and many networks cought on quick to this change and aruldy post everything they show on tv on there websites. yes thers still the networks that will stick to old style tv untill it dies a loud bloddy death like the music indrestry but for the most part tv is largly internet based today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>tivo was cool for a little wile it did stuff we could n't do before with a tv .
but tivo got old in the digital era .
. a pc media center is cheap and can do more without fees .
and with most hdtv system able to take a dvi pc input making them large monoters you got everything you need inside one tower or small form box depeding on what you buy .
tv for the most part is fading away .
its being replaced by the internet and steaming video .
and many networks cought on quick to this change and aruldy post everything they show on tv on there websites .
yes thers still the networks that will stick to old style tv untill it dies a loud bloddy death like the music indrestry but for the most part tv is largly internet based today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tivo was cool for a little wile it did stuff we couldn't do before with a tv.
but tivo got old in the digital era.
.  a pc media center is cheap and can do more without fees.
and with most hdtv system able to take a dvi pc input making them large monoters you got everything you need inside one tower or small form box depeding on what you buy.
tv for the most part is fading away.
its being replaced by the internet and steaming video.
and many networks cought on quick to this change and aruldy post everything they show on tv on there websites.
yes thers still the networks that will stick to old style tv untill it dies a loud bloddy death like the music indrestry but for the most part tv is largly internet based today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31289290</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267215600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>McDonalds sells about a billion hamburgers every year so they must be the most successful of all?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>McDonalds sells about a billion hamburgers every year so they must be the most successful of all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>McDonalds sells about a billion hamburgers every year so they must be the most successful of all?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31295556</id>
	<title>Wait -</title>
	<author>Geminii</author>
	<datestamp>1267263000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People still watch TV?</htmltext>
<tokenext>People still watch TV ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People still watch TV?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284900</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1267199160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can download shows from a Tivo, to a Windows or Linux machine (probably a Mac too, but I've never tried it).  It's trivial to convert it into a mpeg, and then take it wherever you want.  I do it all the time.  The benefit to a Tivo is the interface, features, and convenience.  Also, the first Tivo is $12.95/month, additional are only around $6.  If you're happy with your system keep with it.  I certainly have a list of complaints about Tivo (slow interface, horrendous internet speed through Tivo brand adapter, bugs in desktop software, etc.) but have still been reluctant to trade it for a list of complaints about a Myth TV or other DVR setup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can download shows from a Tivo , to a Windows or Linux machine ( probably a Mac too , but I 've never tried it ) .
It 's trivial to convert it into a mpeg , and then take it wherever you want .
I do it all the time .
The benefit to a Tivo is the interface , features , and convenience .
Also , the first Tivo is $ 12.95/month , additional are only around $ 6 .
If you 're happy with your system keep with it .
I certainly have a list of complaints about Tivo ( slow interface , horrendous internet speed through Tivo brand adapter , bugs in desktop software , etc .
) but have still been reluctant to trade it for a list of complaints about a Myth TV or other DVR setup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can download shows from a Tivo, to a Windows or Linux machine (probably a Mac too, but I've never tried it).
It's trivial to convert it into a mpeg, and then take it wherever you want.
I do it all the time.
The benefit to a Tivo is the interface, features, and convenience.
Also, the first Tivo is $12.95/month, additional are only around $6.
If you're happy with your system keep with it.
I certainly have a list of complaints about Tivo (slow interface, horrendous internet speed through Tivo brand adapter, bugs in desktop software, etc.
) but have still been reluctant to trade it for a list of complaints about a Myth TV or other DVR setup.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284364</id>
	<title>Never Mind That; "Tivo Geek" ??</title>
	<author>RobotRunAmok</author>
	<datestamp>1267196280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How's that stack up against being a "Toaster Oven Geek"?  Or "iPhone Geek"?  Or "Honda Civic Geek"?  Hell, I'm hungry, I think I'm going to go be a Peanut-Butter-and-Jelly-on-White-Bread-Geek.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How 's that stack up against being a " Toaster Oven Geek " ?
Or " iPhone Geek " ?
Or " Honda Civic Geek " ?
Hell , I 'm hungry , I think I 'm going to go be a Peanut-Butter-and-Jelly-on-White-Bread-Geek .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How's that stack up against being a "Toaster Oven Geek"?
Or "iPhone Geek"?
Or "Honda Civic Geek"?
Hell, I'm hungry, I think I'm going to go be a Peanut-Butter-and-Jelly-on-White-Bread-Geek.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284752</id>
	<title>Monthly Fee + Corporate Farkwads</title>
	<author>LordKazan</author>
	<datestamp>1267198260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>listings for mythTv from SchedulesDirect: $20 PER YEAR<br>listings for Tivo: $16 PER MONTH.</p><p>No reason for guide data for tivo to cost so frakking much. And then there is the idea they think that if you hack your box - YOUR BOX, you bought it - to get listings somewhere else that you are stealing service from them.</p><p>No, getting listings from them without paying would be theft of services.  Getting your listings from somewhere else is not.</p><p>TiVo is run by a bunch of corporate farkwads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>listings for mythTv from SchedulesDirect : $ 20 PER YEARlistings for Tivo : $ 16 PER MONTH.No reason for guide data for tivo to cost so frakking much .
And then there is the idea they think that if you hack your box - YOUR BOX , you bought it - to get listings somewhere else that you are stealing service from them.No , getting listings from them without paying would be theft of services .
Getting your listings from somewhere else is not.TiVo is run by a bunch of corporate farkwads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>listings for mythTv from SchedulesDirect: $20 PER YEARlistings for Tivo: $16 PER MONTH.No reason for guide data for tivo to cost so frakking much.
And then there is the idea they think that if you hack your box - YOUR BOX, you bought it - to get listings somewhere else that you are stealing service from them.No, getting listings from them without paying would be theft of services.
Getting your listings from somewhere else is not.TiVo is run by a bunch of corporate farkwads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284374</id>
	<title>The cable co killed tivo with there poor cable car</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1267196340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The cable co killed tivo with there poor cable card system, SDV (for some time tivo where unable to get SDV channels) the lack of cable VOD, in some systems you where not able to get sports and event ppv on tivo. Also there are long list of people going though cable card hell to get there tivo working as well.</p><p>TIVO needs a tru2way box that can go 2way and cable VOD but it needs to something big like 3-4 tuners and hope that the cable co don't hit tru2way users with DVR fees (yes tru2way forces cable co software and gui on you) outlet fees and HD cable card / outlet fees (yes some cable co's have HD cable card fees) and they may try to hit you with a cable card rent fee (you should be able to buy one)</p><p>Also they need a New direct tv box (but with they want hit you with a tivo fee on top of the directv fees for dvr that may kill off tivo) and but directv is working on there own 5+ tuner sever box with mini boxes at each tv as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The cable co killed tivo with there poor cable card system , SDV ( for some time tivo where unable to get SDV channels ) the lack of cable VOD , in some systems you where not able to get sports and event ppv on tivo .
Also there are long list of people going though cable card hell to get there tivo working as well.TIVO needs a tru2way box that can go 2way and cable VOD but it needs to something big like 3-4 tuners and hope that the cable co do n't hit tru2way users with DVR fees ( yes tru2way forces cable co software and gui on you ) outlet fees and HD cable card / outlet fees ( yes some cable co 's have HD cable card fees ) and they may try to hit you with a cable card rent fee ( you should be able to buy one ) Also they need a New direct tv box ( but with they want hit you with a tivo fee on top of the directv fees for dvr that may kill off tivo ) and but directv is working on there own 5 + tuner sever box with mini boxes at each tv as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cable co killed tivo with there poor cable card system, SDV (for some time tivo where unable to get SDV channels) the lack of cable VOD, in some systems you where not able to get sports and event ppv on tivo.
Also there are long list of people going though cable card hell to get there tivo working as well.TIVO needs a tru2way box that can go 2way and cable VOD but it needs to something big like 3-4 tuners and hope that the cable co don't hit tru2way users with DVR fees (yes tru2way forces cable co software and gui on you) outlet fees and HD cable card / outlet fees (yes some cable co's have HD cable card fees) and they may try to hit you with a cable card rent fee (you should be able to buy one)Also they need a New direct tv box (but with they want hit you with a tivo fee on top of the directv fees for dvr that may kill off tivo) and but directv is working on there own 5+ tuner sever box with mini boxes at each tv as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284834</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>colenski</author>
	<datestamp>1267198800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would say that Tivo's biggest asset is the name. The name has fallen into common vernacular: People say "I'm going to Tivo Lost tonight*" - and in fact that line is often written into TV scripts. It remains to be seen whether that brand will remain in people's mind *cough* Napster *cough*. <br> <br>*Disclaimer: I am old, so I say "I am going to TAPE Lost tonight" when I mean I am going to record something to my PVR.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say that Tivo 's biggest asset is the name .
The name has fallen into common vernacular : People say " I 'm going to Tivo Lost tonight * " - and in fact that line is often written into TV scripts .
It remains to be seen whether that brand will remain in people 's mind * cough * Napster * cough * .
* Disclaimer : I am old , so I say " I am going to TAPE Lost tonight " when I mean I am going to record something to my PVR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say that Tivo's biggest asset is the name.
The name has fallen into common vernacular: People say "I'm going to Tivo Lost tonight*" - and in fact that line is often written into TV scripts.
It remains to be seen whether that brand will remain in people's mind *cough* Napster *cough*.
*Disclaimer: I am old, so I say "I am going to TAPE Lost tonight" when I mean I am going to record something to my PVR.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284466</id>
	<title>Because it's hard to understand why it's better</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1267196760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>than a VCR. Look I have a Tivo and find it difficult to watch TV with out it after having one. The thing is before I got one I really didn't understand how much of a difference it makes. The Tivo basically solves every issue I've ever had with time shifting on a VCR. But it's hard to really understand how much of a difference that makes when you're watching TV. After you have one for a couple of weeks you understand and you realize you almost always watch everything time shifted because it's so convenient but if somebody was looking at it in the store they probably look at it like a VCR that you can't change tapes. (It's not, all us Tivo owners know that but most people arn't going to understand how much better a self programming, self organizing VCR that can play and record at the same time really is.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>than a VCR .
Look I have a Tivo and find it difficult to watch TV with out it after having one .
The thing is before I got one I really did n't understand how much of a difference it makes .
The Tivo basically solves every issue I 've ever had with time shifting on a VCR .
But it 's hard to really understand how much of a difference that makes when you 're watching TV .
After you have one for a couple of weeks you understand and you realize you almost always watch everything time shifted because it 's so convenient but if somebody was looking at it in the store they probably look at it like a VCR that you ca n't change tapes .
( It 's not , all us Tivo owners know that but most people ar n't going to understand how much better a self programming , self organizing VCR that can play and record at the same time really is .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>than a VCR.
Look I have a Tivo and find it difficult to watch TV with out it after having one.
The thing is before I got one I really didn't understand how much of a difference it makes.
The Tivo basically solves every issue I've ever had with time shifting on a VCR.
But it's hard to really understand how much of a difference that makes when you're watching TV.
After you have one for a couple of weeks you understand and you realize you almost always watch everything time shifted because it's so convenient but if somebody was looking at it in the store they probably look at it like a VCR that you can't change tapes.
(It's not, all us Tivo owners know that but most people arn't going to understand how much better a self programming, self organizing VCR that can play and record at the same time really is.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31289052</id>
	<title>Ads</title>
	<author>CmdrPorno</author>
	<datestamp>1267214760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They ruined TiVo when they put freakin' ads on it.  One of the main selling points of TiVo was the ability to conveniently skip commercials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They ruined TiVo when they put freakin ' ads on it .
One of the main selling points of TiVo was the ability to conveniently skip commercials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They ruined TiVo when they put freakin' ads on it.
One of the main selling points of TiVo was the ability to conveniently skip commercials.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285878</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>Fitch</author>
	<datestamp>1267204140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hate reading this.  "I love Myth, but it required me to actually do some work".  Remind us all again how much that software cost you???</p><p>Myth, while not without it's share of issues, represents a monumental acheivement by the devs.  It can do things no commercial product ever will, like run your very own shell script after a recording completes.  I've invested hundreds of hours worth of 'nerding' in it since<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.19, and I will happily continue to do so in the name of shunning all forms of DRM.</p><p>Man up or open your wallet and purchase something ready-made.  Either way, quitcherbitchin!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hate reading this .
" I love Myth , but it required me to actually do some work " .
Remind us all again how much that software cost you ? ?
? Myth , while not without it 's share of issues , represents a monumental acheivement by the devs .
It can do things no commercial product ever will , like run your very own shell script after a recording completes .
I 've invested hundreds of hours worth of 'nerding ' in it since .19 , and I will happily continue to do so in the name of shunning all forms of DRM.Man up or open your wallet and purchase something ready-made .
Either way , quitcherbitchin !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hate reading this.
"I love Myth, but it required me to actually do some work".
Remind us all again how much that software cost you??
?Myth, while not without it's share of issues, represents a monumental acheivement by the devs.
It can do things no commercial product ever will, like run your very own shell script after a recording completes.
I've invested hundreds of hours worth of 'nerding' in it since .19, and I will happily continue to do so in the name of shunning all forms of DRM.Man up or open your wallet and purchase something ready-made.
Either way, quitcherbitchin!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31299182</id>
	<title>What TiVo actually did...</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1267261440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TiVo, and nearly at the same time, Replay, popularized devices designed entirely for time-shifting... call 'em PVR or DVR, same thing. Basically, while a VCR could do this, it was ill suited to it -- serial storage, a maximum of 8hr of recording time if you'll accept the heinous qualify of EP recording on extra long tapes.</p><p>This worked fairly well over-the-air or to an analog satellite or cable box.. I still have two TiVos in my house. As a technology, they did some smart things. The user interface was so bloody easy, folks with flashing "12:00" on their VCR might actually manage to use the device (particularly if they got your average 14 year old to help wire it up). They didn't just merge EPG and VCR, they figured out why that's a synergy -- you could "subscribe" to a season of a show, non-specific about the time. And the TiVo would track your viewing habits and auto-record extra stuff.. still one of the best features.</p><p>There were two big problem, though. First was the ascendancy of pay TV, Digital, and DRM on video. Anyone can make an ATSC receiver for OTA digital TV, but (in the USA, not everywhere) cable and satellite were both proprietary. So no easy path to an HD TiVo that works as well as SD TiVo did on SD video. TiVo didn't want to add the expense of encoding analog or unprotected HDMI to MPEG or whatever HDD format they wanted, and yet, without access to your cable or satellite bitstream, they couldn't simply save that existing bitstream. There was lots of politics going around to standardized on DRM and cable hardware independently of cable provider, but the cable companies really didn't want this. They ultimately were forced (1996 Telecom Law) to accept what became the somewhat sabotaged CableCARD standard (used on the HD TiVo), but begrudgingly at best (a good lesson in the doublethink of forcing an industry to create the technology they don't want in the first place). And even once it finally materialize, many services made it hard to get one, they screwed around with how it worked, and generally made you feel second class, versus using a cable box directly. And there's no such option for satellite.</p><p>But the big thing... the basic PVR idea is not difficult to build into a digital device, particularly if you're already a digital receiver with a bitstream that can be tapped. I was designing an "advanced" set-top box with a German startup company I co-founded (Metabox AG) back in 1998-2000, and we did this. You have a DVB tuner and decoder, at some point there's an MPEG-2 transport stream, which you split to get the channel you're after (there can be up to 32 channels in a single transport stream). So, rather than sending that to the MPEG-2 decoder, you save it on disc. Add some smarts around that, and you get a PVR for the price of a hard disc... much easier than in the analog days, having to do the encoding.</p><p>That's really the problem TiVo got hit with... this is just a new feature to add to STBs for cable and satellite. I haven't seen any quite as user-friendly as TiVo, but on the other hand, I'm a computer wizard.. I really don't need all that much hand-holding. My Dish ViP 622 is slightly harder to use than a TiVo, but it seems a little less arduous as well. Now, Dish didn't get this right from the get-go... they inflicted some of history's worst PVRs on their customers before getting it decent. But the ViP 622 is just dandy... 2 sat and 1 OTA channels recording in HD while one HD and one SD can play back. That doesn't suck. Or the fact it can tap HDDs up to 1TB for external storage, offloading of video you need to keep around for awhile.</p><p>This was inevitable, once the TV "player" became digital. TiVo got popular, satellite and cable companies used "it's like TiVo" to offer you a "free" device (with 2-year contract) rather than your having to buy one. And they often make it free, too... after all, you're already paying for the EPG. Satellite really had to make these very good, to have any hope of competing with cable on things like on-demand video. Cable in turn added it to com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo , and nearly at the same time , Replay , popularized devices designed entirely for time-shifting... call 'em PVR or DVR , same thing .
Basically , while a VCR could do this , it was ill suited to it -- serial storage , a maximum of 8hr of recording time if you 'll accept the heinous qualify of EP recording on extra long tapes.This worked fairly well over-the-air or to an analog satellite or cable box.. I still have two TiVos in my house .
As a technology , they did some smart things .
The user interface was so bloody easy , folks with flashing " 12 : 00 " on their VCR might actually manage to use the device ( particularly if they got your average 14 year old to help wire it up ) .
They did n't just merge EPG and VCR , they figured out why that 's a synergy -- you could " subscribe " to a season of a show , non-specific about the time .
And the TiVo would track your viewing habits and auto-record extra stuff.. still one of the best features.There were two big problem , though .
First was the ascendancy of pay TV , Digital , and DRM on video .
Anyone can make an ATSC receiver for OTA digital TV , but ( in the USA , not everywhere ) cable and satellite were both proprietary .
So no easy path to an HD TiVo that works as well as SD TiVo did on SD video .
TiVo did n't want to add the expense of encoding analog or unprotected HDMI to MPEG or whatever HDD format they wanted , and yet , without access to your cable or satellite bitstream , they could n't simply save that existing bitstream .
There was lots of politics going around to standardized on DRM and cable hardware independently of cable provider , but the cable companies really did n't want this .
They ultimately were forced ( 1996 Telecom Law ) to accept what became the somewhat sabotaged CableCARD standard ( used on the HD TiVo ) , but begrudgingly at best ( a good lesson in the doublethink of forcing an industry to create the technology they do n't want in the first place ) .
And even once it finally materialize , many services made it hard to get one , they screwed around with how it worked , and generally made you feel second class , versus using a cable box directly .
And there 's no such option for satellite.But the big thing... the basic PVR idea is not difficult to build into a digital device , particularly if you 're already a digital receiver with a bitstream that can be tapped .
I was designing an " advanced " set-top box with a German startup company I co-founded ( Metabox AG ) back in 1998-2000 , and we did this .
You have a DVB tuner and decoder , at some point there 's an MPEG-2 transport stream , which you split to get the channel you 're after ( there can be up to 32 channels in a single transport stream ) .
So , rather than sending that to the MPEG-2 decoder , you save it on disc .
Add some smarts around that , and you get a PVR for the price of a hard disc... much easier than in the analog days , having to do the encoding.That 's really the problem TiVo got hit with... this is just a new feature to add to STBs for cable and satellite .
I have n't seen any quite as user-friendly as TiVo , but on the other hand , I 'm a computer wizard.. I really do n't need all that much hand-holding .
My Dish ViP 622 is slightly harder to use than a TiVo , but it seems a little less arduous as well .
Now , Dish did n't get this right from the get-go... they inflicted some of history 's worst PVRs on their customers before getting it decent .
But the ViP 622 is just dandy... 2 sat and 1 OTA channels recording in HD while one HD and one SD can play back .
That does n't suck .
Or the fact it can tap HDDs up to 1TB for external storage , offloading of video you need to keep around for awhile.This was inevitable , once the TV " player " became digital .
TiVo got popular , satellite and cable companies used " it 's like TiVo " to offer you a " free " device ( with 2-year contract ) rather than your having to buy one .
And they often make it free , too... after all , you 're already paying for the EPG .
Satellite really had to make these very good , to have any hope of competing with cable on things like on-demand video .
Cable in turn added it to com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo, and nearly at the same time, Replay, popularized devices designed entirely for time-shifting... call 'em PVR or DVR, same thing.
Basically, while a VCR could do this, it was ill suited to it -- serial storage, a maximum of 8hr of recording time if you'll accept the heinous qualify of EP recording on extra long tapes.This worked fairly well over-the-air or to an analog satellite or cable box.. I still have two TiVos in my house.
As a technology, they did some smart things.
The user interface was so bloody easy, folks with flashing "12:00" on their VCR might actually manage to use the device (particularly if they got your average 14 year old to help wire it up).
They didn't just merge EPG and VCR, they figured out why that's a synergy -- you could "subscribe" to a season of a show, non-specific about the time.
And the TiVo would track your viewing habits and auto-record extra stuff.. still one of the best features.There were two big problem, though.
First was the ascendancy of pay TV, Digital, and DRM on video.
Anyone can make an ATSC receiver for OTA digital TV, but (in the USA, not everywhere) cable and satellite were both proprietary.
So no easy path to an HD TiVo that works as well as SD TiVo did on SD video.
TiVo didn't want to add the expense of encoding analog or unprotected HDMI to MPEG or whatever HDD format they wanted, and yet, without access to your cable or satellite bitstream, they couldn't simply save that existing bitstream.
There was lots of politics going around to standardized on DRM and cable hardware independently of cable provider, but the cable companies really didn't want this.
They ultimately were forced (1996 Telecom Law) to accept what became the somewhat sabotaged CableCARD standard (used on the HD TiVo), but begrudgingly at best (a good lesson in the doublethink of forcing an industry to create the technology they don't want in the first place).
And even once it finally materialize, many services made it hard to get one, they screwed around with how it worked, and generally made you feel second class, versus using a cable box directly.
And there's no such option for satellite.But the big thing... the basic PVR idea is not difficult to build into a digital device, particularly if you're already a digital receiver with a bitstream that can be tapped.
I was designing an "advanced" set-top box with a German startup company I co-founded (Metabox AG) back in 1998-2000, and we did this.
You have a DVB tuner and decoder, at some point there's an MPEG-2 transport stream, which you split to get the channel you're after (there can be up to 32 channels in a single transport stream).
So, rather than sending that to the MPEG-2 decoder, you save it on disc.
Add some smarts around that, and you get a PVR for the price of a hard disc... much easier than in the analog days, having to do the encoding.That's really the problem TiVo got hit with... this is just a new feature to add to STBs for cable and satellite.
I haven't seen any quite as user-friendly as TiVo, but on the other hand, I'm a computer wizard.. I really don't need all that much hand-holding.
My Dish ViP 622 is slightly harder to use than a TiVo, but it seems a little less arduous as well.
Now, Dish didn't get this right from the get-go... they inflicted some of history's worst PVRs on their customers before getting it decent.
But the ViP 622 is just dandy... 2 sat and 1 OTA channels recording in HD while one HD and one SD can play back.
That doesn't suck.
Or the fact it can tap HDDs up to 1TB for external storage, offloading of video you need to keep around for awhile.This was inevitable, once the TV "player" became digital.
TiVo got popular, satellite and cable companies used "it's like TiVo" to offer you a "free" device (with 2-year contract) rather than your having to buy one.
And they often make it free, too... after all, you're already paying for the EPG.
Satellite really had to make these very good, to have any hope of competing with cable on things like on-demand video.
Cable in turn added it to com</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31290384</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>ArcCoyote</author>
	<datestamp>1267177800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, Tivo loses because if you want to go cheap and don't care about features, you can rent a CableCo DVR for the same you'd pay Tivo every month.<br>If you do want the kitchen sink, you can build an HTPC for the same investment and you don't have to pay out every month.</p><p>For about $750 I can spec a nice little Dell Zino: HDMI on-board, Dual-Core, 4GB RAM, 1 TB HDD, Blu-Ray+DVDRW, Win 7 Home Premium.<br>Add an ATI DCT CableCARD Tuner for about $250... or if I wait a while Silicondust with have their dual-tuner CableCARD box out for about the same price.</p><p>So, I'm at $1000 for a DVR, BD Player, and everything else an HTPC can do (Hulu,Netflix,Bittorrent..)<br>It's digital cable ready, there are no monthly guide fees, and IMHO Windows Media Center is a LOT nicer than Tivo.</p><p>Or, you can just add a CableCARD tuner to any Win 7 PC, and stick an Xbox 360 on your TV as an extender. That's ~$500 and takes advantage of any storage you might already have... and the CableCARD tuner just works for me. I get everything channel I pay for in HD, and so far I've seen no DRM at all: I can commercial-scan and transcode everything it records.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , Tivo loses because if you want to go cheap and do n't care about features , you can rent a CableCo DVR for the same you 'd pay Tivo every month.If you do want the kitchen sink , you can build an HTPC for the same investment and you do n't have to pay out every month.For about $ 750 I can spec a nice little Dell Zino : HDMI on-board , Dual-Core , 4GB RAM , 1 TB HDD , Blu-Ray + DVDRW , Win 7 Home Premium.Add an ATI DCT CableCARD Tuner for about $ 250... or if I wait a while Silicondust with have their dual-tuner CableCARD box out for about the same price.So , I 'm at $ 1000 for a DVR , BD Player , and everything else an HTPC can do ( Hulu,Netflix,Bittorrent.. ) It 's digital cable ready , there are no monthly guide fees , and IMHO Windows Media Center is a LOT nicer than Tivo.Or , you can just add a CableCARD tuner to any Win 7 PC , and stick an Xbox 360 on your TV as an extender .
That 's ~ $ 500 and takes advantage of any storage you might already have... and the CableCARD tuner just works for me .
I get everything channel I pay for in HD , and so far I 've seen no DRM at all : I can commercial-scan and transcode everything it records .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, Tivo loses because if you want to go cheap and don't care about features, you can rent a CableCo DVR for the same you'd pay Tivo every month.If you do want the kitchen sink, you can build an HTPC for the same investment and you don't have to pay out every month.For about $750 I can spec a nice little Dell Zino: HDMI on-board, Dual-Core, 4GB RAM, 1 TB HDD, Blu-Ray+DVDRW, Win 7 Home Premium.Add an ATI DCT CableCARD Tuner for about $250... or if I wait a while Silicondust with have their dual-tuner CableCARD box out for about the same price.So, I'm at $1000 for a DVR, BD Player, and everything else an HTPC can do (Hulu,Netflix,Bittorrent..)It's digital cable ready, there are no monthly guide fees, and IMHO Windows Media Center is a LOT nicer than Tivo.Or, you can just add a CableCARD tuner to any Win 7 PC, and stick an Xbox 360 on your TV as an extender.
That's ~$500 and takes advantage of any storage you might already have... and the CableCARD tuner just works for me.
I get everything channel I pay for in HD, and so far I've seen no DRM at all: I can commercial-scan and transcode everything it records.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31291954</id>
	<title>Moxi!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267186140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is why I bought a Moxi!</p><p>Multi Room Viewing....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is why I bought a Moxi ! Multi Room Viewing... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is why I bought a Moxi!Multi Room Viewing....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285226</id>
	<title>To repeat - ad nauseam</title>
	<author>revlayle</author>
	<datestamp>1267201020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TiVo looks like a great device, however it always seems to have an unusually large price tag and that damn monthly fee.  I know hardly anyone in my city with one, primarily becuase Dish Network, DishTv and our cable provider (Cox Communications) provides DVRs that work with their system for a fairly low lease per month ($10 or less - however, i concede that this does compare to the monthly fee of the TiVo - except I don't have to BUY a TiVo at all).  They work well enough for most people.<br>
<br>
I suspect Apple sells way more iphones and ipods because: 1) lower price (iphone only when subsidized with a contract) and has more functionality than a TiVo; 2)  portable; 3) better marketing; 4) ipod has NO monthly fee (iphone does because it is a mobile phone)</htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo looks like a great device , however it always seems to have an unusually large price tag and that damn monthly fee .
I know hardly anyone in my city with one , primarily becuase Dish Network , DishTv and our cable provider ( Cox Communications ) provides DVRs that work with their system for a fairly low lease per month ( $ 10 or less - however , i concede that this does compare to the monthly fee of the TiVo - except I do n't have to BUY a TiVo at all ) .
They work well enough for most people .
I suspect Apple sells way more iphones and ipods because : 1 ) lower price ( iphone only when subsidized with a contract ) and has more functionality than a TiVo ; 2 ) portable ; 3 ) better marketing ; 4 ) ipod has NO monthly fee ( iphone does because it is a mobile phone )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo looks like a great device, however it always seems to have an unusually large price tag and that damn monthly fee.
I know hardly anyone in my city with one, primarily becuase Dish Network, DishTv and our cable provider (Cox Communications) provides DVRs that work with their system for a fairly low lease per month ($10 or less - however, i concede that this does compare to the monthly fee of the TiVo - except I don't have to BUY a TiVo at all).
They work well enough for most people.
I suspect Apple sells way more iphones and ipods because: 1) lower price (iphone only when subsidized with a contract) and has more functionality than a TiVo; 2)  portable; 3) better marketing; 4) ipod has NO monthly fee (iphone does because it is a mobile phone)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284632</id>
	<title>No choice for PVRs</title>
	<author>Syberz</author>
	<datestamp>1267197660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Up here in Canadia we don't have Tivo, but we do have PVRs and lord do they suck.</p><p>Depending on the carrier you chose, you're locked to a specific model (which costs 500$) with an interface circa 1995. It's slow as molasses to navigate and they don't all offer a lot of functionality (why doesn't my Videotron model allow me to hide channels that I'm not subscribed to?) and the interface is ugly as hell. For some reason (I suspect forced replacement), those devices also corrupt the HD after a few years of use and cannot be upgraded.</p><p>I can chose between 125+ different DVD players but I can't chose the device to watch tv with? Why is that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Up here in Canadia we do n't have Tivo , but we do have PVRs and lord do they suck.Depending on the carrier you chose , you 're locked to a specific model ( which costs 500 $ ) with an interface circa 1995 .
It 's slow as molasses to navigate and they do n't all offer a lot of functionality ( why does n't my Videotron model allow me to hide channels that I 'm not subscribed to ?
) and the interface is ugly as hell .
For some reason ( I suspect forced replacement ) , those devices also corrupt the HD after a few years of use and can not be upgraded.I can chose between 125 + different DVD players but I ca n't chose the device to watch tv with ?
Why is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Up here in Canadia we don't have Tivo, but we do have PVRs and lord do they suck.Depending on the carrier you chose, you're locked to a specific model (which costs 500$) with an interface circa 1995.
It's slow as molasses to navigate and they don't all offer a lot of functionality (why doesn't my Videotron model allow me to hide channels that I'm not subscribed to?
) and the interface is ugly as hell.
For some reason (I suspect forced replacement), those devices also corrupt the HD after a few years of use and cannot be upgraded.I can chose between 125+ different DVD players but I can't chose the device to watch tv with?
Why is that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288410</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, Tivo has the best interface. It is very much like comparing iPod to other MP3 players or iPhone to many lesser smartphones. Some of the competitors have enough to satisfy a lot of users, but Tivo really stands out for ease of use, features, and UI design. Those things certainly don't matter to everyone, but for me they really create a totally different experience which I'm willing to pay for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , Tivo has the best interface .
It is very much like comparing iPod to other MP3 players or iPhone to many lesser smartphones .
Some of the competitors have enough to satisfy a lot of users , but Tivo really stands out for ease of use , features , and UI design .
Those things certainly do n't matter to everyone , but for me they really create a totally different experience which I 'm willing to pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, Tivo has the best interface.
It is very much like comparing iPod to other MP3 players or iPhone to many lesser smartphones.
Some of the competitors have enough to satisfy a lot of users, but Tivo really stands out for ease of use, features, and UI design.
Those things certainly don't matter to everyone, but for me they really create a totally different experience which I'm willing to pay for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285212</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a mix of these sorts of thing.  Media center (built into every vista and windows 7 boxs home prem and up) can do what you like and it is free.  But then you have to fiddle with hooking your computer up to both the TV (either thru some sort of extender, xbox360, or other, or direct).  Then make sure you get a tuner that can handle it.  Was easy a few years ago before 'digital cable'.  Now there is like 1 or 2 pci card out there that can do the cable card thing.  I even got a radio card and was able to time shift with that.  Start recording radio wait an hour sit down and listen to music skip 15 mins of commercials.</p><p>The linux way is usually mythtv.  The listings used to be free but the provider that provided the listings was taking a bath and had to start charging for it.  You have the same fiddley thing with hooking to your tv again.  Its not too bad if you get the right vid card.  The downside to myth is you really need to be careful which pvr card you get.  There are forums out there that guide you thru it.  I ended up with one once that only worked with MC.  Pain...</p><p>For simple record and watch later I liked MC over Myth.  But for flexibility of addons I realllllly liked Myth.</p><p>Both of them will also act like the old VCR.  Chanel X at time a thru b.</p><p>If you are just going to do VCR way buy a card that works with linux and give media center a try too.</p><p>I even set it so my computer would just hibernate most of the time and resume just at the right time to record the show then go back to sleep.</p><p>Most of them also have plugins to the various tv sites out there Hulu, abc, cbs, nbc, etc...</p><p>OH also get a dual channel tuner.  You wont regret it.  You record on one while watching something else.  The single tuner cards can be a bit of a pain but workable.</p><p>XBMC is also another good choice these days.  But I havent fiddled with that one much yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a mix of these sorts of thing .
Media center ( built into every vista and windows 7 boxs home prem and up ) can do what you like and it is free .
But then you have to fiddle with hooking your computer up to both the TV ( either thru some sort of extender , xbox360 , or other , or direct ) .
Then make sure you get a tuner that can handle it .
Was easy a few years ago before 'digital cable' .
Now there is like 1 or 2 pci card out there that can do the cable card thing .
I even got a radio card and was able to time shift with that .
Start recording radio wait an hour sit down and listen to music skip 15 mins of commercials.The linux way is usually mythtv .
The listings used to be free but the provider that provided the listings was taking a bath and had to start charging for it .
You have the same fiddley thing with hooking to your tv again .
Its not too bad if you get the right vid card .
The downside to myth is you really need to be careful which pvr card you get .
There are forums out there that guide you thru it .
I ended up with one once that only worked with MC .
Pain...For simple record and watch later I liked MC over Myth .
But for flexibility of addons I realllllly liked Myth.Both of them will also act like the old VCR .
Chanel X at time a thru b.If you are just going to do VCR way buy a card that works with linux and give media center a try too.I even set it so my computer would just hibernate most of the time and resume just at the right time to record the show then go back to sleep.Most of them also have plugins to the various tv sites out there Hulu , abc , cbs , nbc , etc...OH also get a dual channel tuner .
You wont regret it .
You record on one while watching something else .
The single tuner cards can be a bit of a pain but workable.XBMC is also another good choice these days .
But I havent fiddled with that one much yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a mix of these sorts of thing.
Media center (built into every vista and windows 7 boxs home prem and up) can do what you like and it is free.
But then you have to fiddle with hooking your computer up to both the TV (either thru some sort of extender, xbox360, or other, or direct).
Then make sure you get a tuner that can handle it.
Was easy a few years ago before 'digital cable'.
Now there is like 1 or 2 pci card out there that can do the cable card thing.
I even got a radio card and was able to time shift with that.
Start recording radio wait an hour sit down and listen to music skip 15 mins of commercials.The linux way is usually mythtv.
The listings used to be free but the provider that provided the listings was taking a bath and had to start charging for it.
You have the same fiddley thing with hooking to your tv again.
Its not too bad if you get the right vid card.
The downside to myth is you really need to be careful which pvr card you get.
There are forums out there that guide you thru it.
I ended up with one once that only worked with MC.
Pain...For simple record and watch later I liked MC over Myth.
But for flexibility of addons I realllllly liked Myth.Both of them will also act like the old VCR.
Chanel X at time a thru b.If you are just going to do VCR way buy a card that works with linux and give media center a try too.I even set it so my computer would just hibernate most of the time and resume just at the right time to record the show then go back to sleep.Most of them also have plugins to the various tv sites out there Hulu, abc, cbs, nbc, etc...OH also get a dual channel tuner.
You wont regret it.
You record on one while watching something else.
The single tuner cards can be a bit of a pain but workable.XBMC is also another good choice these days.
But I havent fiddled with that one much yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285280</id>
	<title>Re:false credit</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1267201260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And it's a dying and obsolete product category anyway.</i></p><p>Uhuh.  Sure it is.  Meanwhile, Echo and Direct are both moving their customer base over to DVRs as fast as they can, and cable companies have been rolling out DVRs to their customers for years and years.</p><p>Pro-tip:  Just because you're a nerd who pirates all his content, doesn't mean everyone else is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it 's a dying and obsolete product category anyway.Uhuh .
Sure it is .
Meanwhile , Echo and Direct are both moving their customer base over to DVRs as fast as they can , and cable companies have been rolling out DVRs to their customers for years and years.Pro-tip : Just because you 're a nerd who pirates all his content , does n't mean everyone else is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it's a dying and obsolete product category anyway.Uhuh.
Sure it is.
Meanwhile, Echo and Direct are both moving their customer base over to DVRs as fast as they can, and cable companies have been rolling out DVRs to their customers for years and years.Pro-tip:  Just because you're a nerd who pirates all his content, doesn't mean everyone else is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285236</id>
	<title>Re:Because it doesn't make sense.</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1267201080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Massively broadcasting a show to everyone at a specific time and having a large number of them set up a machine to record that show to watch later is dumb. Hosting the same show on a server and having everyone download it (or stream it) and watch it whenever they feel like makes sense.</i></p><p>Bullshit.  From a network management standpoint, it makes *far* more sense to broadcast (or even better, multicast) the content once and have the end-user store it for later retrieval, rather than having thousands or millions of people downloading the same content over and over again, wasting precious bandwidth on their backhaul network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Massively broadcasting a show to everyone at a specific time and having a large number of them set up a machine to record that show to watch later is dumb .
Hosting the same show on a server and having everyone download it ( or stream it ) and watch it whenever they feel like makes sense.Bullshit .
From a network management standpoint , it makes * far * more sense to broadcast ( or even better , multicast ) the content once and have the end-user store it for later retrieval , rather than having thousands or millions of people downloading the same content over and over again , wasting precious bandwidth on their backhaul network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Massively broadcasting a show to everyone at a specific time and having a large number of them set up a machine to record that show to watch later is dumb.
Hosting the same show on a server and having everyone download it (or stream it) and watch it whenever they feel like makes sense.Bullshit.
From a network management standpoint, it makes *far* more sense to broadcast (or even better, multicast) the content once and have the end-user store it for later retrieval, rather than having thousands or millions of people downloading the same content over and over again, wasting precious bandwidth on their backhaul network.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31289922</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee + Corporate Farkwads</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1267175580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>TIVO has to get their money somehow. They've never been much of a financial success, so somewhere they must be bleeding money in an inexcusable manner. In the end, this must be incompetence at the top. I see this more of a problem of failing to run the company properly than greed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TIVO has to get their money somehow .
They 've never been much of a financial success , so somewhere they must be bleeding money in an inexcusable manner .
In the end , this must be incompetence at the top .
I see this more of a problem of failing to run the company properly than greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TIVO has to get their money somehow.
They've never been much of a financial success, so somewhere they must be bleeding money in an inexcusable manner.
In the end, this must be incompetence at the top.
I see this more of a problem of failing to run the company properly than greed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284140</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1267195020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They used to offer a lifetime subscription, but it was very expensive.  I considered getting a TiVo when they were new, but at the time I was paying &pound;5/year to a service that provided TV listing and a nice app for setting alarms and filtering them.  It also had a scripting interface, so instead I just popped an ATi All-in-Wonder card into a machine and wrote a (trivial) script to make it record things from the TV card.  You could set it to record all programs with a given name, or matching other conditions (there was a nice UI in the TV guide app for doing this) for &pound;5/year + a load of spare hardware I had lying around.  It could also do pausing live TV, just like a TiVo.</p><p>
The TiVo advantage back then was convenience, but they never came close to competing on price.  If they had charged &pound;5/year or similar for their TV guide service, I might have been tempted as they did give a much more polished product.  </p><p>
Now, I'm not really sure I see the point of such a device.  I haven't owned a TV for a few years.  I still watch TV shows, but now they're delivered via iPlayer or rented on DVD.  TiVo seems to be solving the wrong problem.  The problem is not that I want to record broadcast TV and play it back later, it is that I want to watch shows on my own schedule, without adverts.  Recording from broadcast TV is one solution to this problem, but it's not a good one.  It was the only one that was technically feasible a decade ago, but now I have enough spare bandwidth that I can still do other stuff while streaming 720p shows.  What's TiVo's reason for existing in this market?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They used to offer a lifetime subscription , but it was very expensive .
I considered getting a TiVo when they were new , but at the time I was paying   5/year to a service that provided TV listing and a nice app for setting alarms and filtering them .
It also had a scripting interface , so instead I just popped an ATi All-in-Wonder card into a machine and wrote a ( trivial ) script to make it record things from the TV card .
You could set it to record all programs with a given name , or matching other conditions ( there was a nice UI in the TV guide app for doing this ) for   5/year + a load of spare hardware I had lying around .
It could also do pausing live TV , just like a TiVo .
The TiVo advantage back then was convenience , but they never came close to competing on price .
If they had charged   5/year or similar for their TV guide service , I might have been tempted as they did give a much more polished product .
Now , I 'm not really sure I see the point of such a device .
I have n't owned a TV for a few years .
I still watch TV shows , but now they 're delivered via iPlayer or rented on DVD .
TiVo seems to be solving the wrong problem .
The problem is not that I want to record broadcast TV and play it back later , it is that I want to watch shows on my own schedule , without adverts .
Recording from broadcast TV is one solution to this problem , but it 's not a good one .
It was the only one that was technically feasible a decade ago , but now I have enough spare bandwidth that I can still do other stuff while streaming 720p shows .
What 's TiVo 's reason for existing in this market ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They used to offer a lifetime subscription, but it was very expensive.
I considered getting a TiVo when they were new, but at the time I was paying £5/year to a service that provided TV listing and a nice app for setting alarms and filtering them.
It also had a scripting interface, so instead I just popped an ATi All-in-Wonder card into a machine and wrote a (trivial) script to make it record things from the TV card.
You could set it to record all programs with a given name, or matching other conditions (there was a nice UI in the TV guide app for doing this) for £5/year + a load of spare hardware I had lying around.
It could also do pausing live TV, just like a TiVo.
The TiVo advantage back then was convenience, but they never came close to competing on price.
If they had charged £5/year or similar for their TV guide service, I might have been tempted as they did give a much more polished product.
Now, I'm not really sure I see the point of such a device.
I haven't owned a TV for a few years.
I still watch TV shows, but now they're delivered via iPlayer or rented on DVD.
TiVo seems to be solving the wrong problem.
The problem is not that I want to record broadcast TV and play it back later, it is that I want to watch shows on my own schedule, without adverts.
Recording from broadcast TV is one solution to this problem, but it's not a good one.
It was the only one that was technically feasible a decade ago, but now I have enough spare bandwidth that I can still do other stuff while streaming 720p shows.
What's TiVo's reason for existing in this market?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286278</id>
	<title>There is another system</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1267205460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went to college and worked hard at my career so I wouldn't mind paying a monthly fee for a superior product.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>Admittedly, though, your approach might be more efficient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to college and worked hard at my career so I would n't mind paying a monthly fee for a superior product .
: - ) Admittedly , though , your approach might be more efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to college and worked hard at my career so I wouldn't mind paying a monthly fee for a superior product.
:-)Admittedly, though, your approach might be more efficient.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285710</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>gafisher</author>
	<datestamp>1267203240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.  The iPod is hardware with an associated (and optional) service; TiVo is a service with required hardware.  It's like comparing apples and door-hinges.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
The iPod is hardware with an associated ( and optional ) service ; TiVo is a service with required hardware .
It 's like comparing apples and door-hinges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
The iPod is hardware with an associated (and optional) service; TiVo is a service with required hardware.
It's like comparing apples and door-hinges.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287042</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267207800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen brother.  I went a little further and got rid of my local satellite a cable provider and went old fashioned roof mounted antenna.  Connected the antenna to 3 atsc digital tuners on a HTPC (for recoding 1 or 2 channels while watching another as well as having multiple television sets connected via media extenders) and get 25+ channels in my area for free and I've never looked back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen brother .
I went a little further and got rid of my local satellite a cable provider and went old fashioned roof mounted antenna .
Connected the antenna to 3 atsc digital tuners on a HTPC ( for recoding 1 or 2 channels while watching another as well as having multiple television sets connected via media extenders ) and get 25 + channels in my area for free and I 've never looked back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen brother.
I went a little further and got rid of my local satellite a cable provider and went old fashioned roof mounted antenna.
Connected the antenna to 3 atsc digital tuners on a HTPC (for recoding 1 or 2 channels while watching another as well as having multiple television sets connected via media extenders) and get 25+ channels in my area for free and I've never looked back.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284954</id>
	<title>Re:Why compare it to the iPod?</title>
	<author>HeckRuler</author>
	<datestamp>1267199460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because this was written by a businessman, and the ipod is the current standard unit of success. The old or non-techy unit was razors and razor blades. It's a measuring stick they can compare against. And to them, it's entirely the same. It's a product that makes them money. Everything else is mere details to be dealt with by someone they hire. In some regards, it's similar to how geeks are familiar with Wikipedia, and use it as a unit of effort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because this was written by a businessman , and the ipod is the current standard unit of success .
The old or non-techy unit was razors and razor blades .
It 's a measuring stick they can compare against .
And to them , it 's entirely the same .
It 's a product that makes them money .
Everything else is mere details to be dealt with by someone they hire .
In some regards , it 's similar to how geeks are familiar with Wikipedia , and use it as a unit of effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because this was written by a businessman, and the ipod is the current standard unit of success.
The old or non-techy unit was razors and razor blades.
It's a measuring stick they can compare against.
And to them, it's entirely the same.
It's a product that makes them money.
Everything else is mere details to be dealt with by someone they hire.
In some regards, it's similar to how geeks are familiar with Wikipedia, and use it as a unit of effort.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285816</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>wings</author>
	<datestamp>1267203780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh...
I was an early Tivo adopter with what's now referred to as a Series 1 machine, it only came with 20Gb of storage.<br>
This was back when you could get lifetime subscriptions for a flat $250 fee.<br>
I bought it around 2000-2001, so it's close to 10 years old.  <br>
When I signed up for the lifetime guide option, ISTR subscriptions were $8/mo.<br>
I figured I'd get my money's worth on the subscription if it lasted 3 years.<br>
The Tivo is still running, on it's 3rd set of hard disks, and I still get guide updates without the monthly fee.<br>
<br>
I only get basic cable, and it's still available in analog format.<br>
I don't know which will last longer.  Analog cable, or the Tivo.<br>
Whichever one goes first will effectively make my Tivo useless, but I won't be too disappointed.<br>
I believe I got my money's worth.<br>
<br>
I also have an extensive MythTV setup with 2 analog and 3 digital tuners, with one dedicated for OTA.<br>
It's not like I won't have anything to watch when the Tivo becomes useless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh.. . I was an early Tivo adopter with what 's now referred to as a Series 1 machine , it only came with 20Gb of storage .
This was back when you could get lifetime subscriptions for a flat $ 250 fee .
I bought it around 2000-2001 , so it 's close to 10 years old .
When I signed up for the lifetime guide option , ISTR subscriptions were $ 8/mo .
I figured I 'd get my money 's worth on the subscription if it lasted 3 years .
The Tivo is still running , on it 's 3rd set of hard disks , and I still get guide updates without the monthly fee .
I only get basic cable , and it 's still available in analog format .
I do n't know which will last longer .
Analog cable , or the Tivo .
Whichever one goes first will effectively make my Tivo useless , but I wo n't be too disappointed .
I believe I got my money 's worth .
I also have an extensive MythTV setup with 2 analog and 3 digital tuners , with one dedicated for OTA .
It 's not like I wo n't have anything to watch when the Tivo becomes useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh...
I was an early Tivo adopter with what's now referred to as a Series 1 machine, it only came with 20Gb of storage.
This was back when you could get lifetime subscriptions for a flat $250 fee.
I bought it around 2000-2001, so it's close to 10 years old.
When I signed up for the lifetime guide option, ISTR subscriptions were $8/mo.
I figured I'd get my money's worth on the subscription if it lasted 3 years.
The Tivo is still running, on it's 3rd set of hard disks, and I still get guide updates without the monthly fee.
I only get basic cable, and it's still available in analog format.
I don't know which will last longer.
Analog cable, or the Tivo.
Whichever one goes first will effectively make my Tivo useless, but I won't be too disappointed.
I believe I got my money's worth.
I also have an extensive MythTV setup with 2 analog and 3 digital tuners, with one dedicated for OTA.
It's not like I won't have anything to watch when the Tivo becomes useless.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285734</id>
	<title>Re:Because its premise is flawed</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1267203420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>TiVo, in my humble opinion, is based on a fairly flimsy premise: that television is so important to watch that you are willing to spend time and money to make sure you get to watch all of some part of it. Really? Seriously, what is on television that you couldn't miss?</p></div><p>My answer to that it doesn't so much let you watch *more* TV, as improve the quality of what you do watch. Say I watch an hour of TV every day. I can use that time to watch whatever happens to be on, or I can use time shifting to watch something good.</p><p>At the quality end of the TV drama spectrum, you're really missing out if you don't watch all the episodes, in the right order. There's no way I'd want to see The Wire or Lost out of order.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo , in my humble opinion , is based on a fairly flimsy premise : that television is so important to watch that you are willing to spend time and money to make sure you get to watch all of some part of it .
Really ? Seriously , what is on television that you could n't miss ? My answer to that it does n't so much let you watch * more * TV , as improve the quality of what you do watch .
Say I watch an hour of TV every day .
I can use that time to watch whatever happens to be on , or I can use time shifting to watch something good.At the quality end of the TV drama spectrum , you 're really missing out if you do n't watch all the episodes , in the right order .
There 's no way I 'd want to see The Wire or Lost out of order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo, in my humble opinion, is based on a fairly flimsy premise: that television is so important to watch that you are willing to spend time and money to make sure you get to watch all of some part of it.
Really? Seriously, what is on television that you couldn't miss?My answer to that it doesn't so much let you watch *more* TV, as improve the quality of what you do watch.
Say I watch an hour of TV every day.
I can use that time to watch whatever happens to be on, or I can use time shifting to watch something good.At the quality end of the TV drama spectrum, you're really missing out if you don't watch all the episodes, in the right order.
There's no way I'd want to see The Wire or Lost out of order.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288112</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>brianf711</author>
	<datestamp>1267211400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually my Dad says that in the days before radio, they would often tell stories they had heard as a kid.  So "time shifting" is at least as old as story telling...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually my Dad says that in the days before radio , they would often tell stories they had heard as a kid .
So " time shifting " is at least as old as story telling.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually my Dad says that in the days before radio, they would often tell stories they had heard as a kid.
So "time shifting" is at least as old as story telling...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286044</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>smoot123</author>
	<datestamp>1267204740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.  Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.</p></div><p>What was revolutionary about a DVR vs. VCR is (a) you can record while watching and (b) it's much more reliable (since you don't have to pre-position the blank tape).  All DVRs also include a program grid, something that I've never seen in a VCR.  That's not really required, <i>per se</i>, it's just one of those things that was possible in the timeframe DVRs were introduced but not when VCRs came out.

</p><p>Anyway, having used both, a DVR really is a different experience, not an evolution, much like a bird evolved from a dinosaur but really isn't one any more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage .
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.What was revolutionary about a DVR vs. VCR is ( a ) you can record while watching and ( b ) it 's much more reliable ( since you do n't have to pre-position the blank tape ) .
All DVRs also include a program grid , something that I 've never seen in a VCR .
That 's not really required , per se , it 's just one of those things that was possible in the timeframe DVRs were introduced but not when VCRs came out .
Anyway , having used both , a DVR really is a different experience , not an evolution , much like a bird evolved from a dinosaur but really is n't one any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.What was revolutionary about a DVR vs. VCR is (a) you can record while watching and (b) it's much more reliable (since you don't have to pre-position the blank tape).
All DVRs also include a program grid, something that I've never seen in a VCR.
That's not really required, per se, it's just one of those things that was possible in the timeframe DVRs were introduced but not when VCRs came out.
Anyway, having used both, a DVR really is a different experience, not an evolution, much like a bird evolved from a dinosaur but really isn't one any more.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286872</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1267207320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use mythbuntu, a myth-centric distro.</p><p>Most of the hard work is done. It still takes maybe a day to configure your particular setup. Matching scanned DTV channels to XMLIDs for listing data is for me the biggest pain.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but its a one-time deal.. you really don't have to ever reconfigure it once its set up.</p><p>For the sake of no monthly fees, and all the useful extras like auto commercial skipping I'll suck up the config pain of myth any day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use mythbuntu , a myth-centric distro.Most of the hard work is done .
It still takes maybe a day to configure your particular setup .
Matching scanned DTV channels to XMLIDs for listing data is for me the biggest pain .
...but its a one-time deal.. you really do n't have to ever reconfigure it once its set up.For the sake of no monthly fees , and all the useful extras like auto commercial skipping I 'll suck up the config pain of myth any day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use mythbuntu, a myth-centric distro.Most of the hard work is done.
It still takes maybe a day to configure your particular setup.
Matching scanned DTV channels to XMLIDs for listing data is for me the biggest pain.
...but its a one-time deal.. you really don't have to ever reconfigure it once its set up.For the sake of no monthly fees, and all the useful extras like auto commercial skipping I'll suck up the config pain of myth any day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284346</id>
	<title>Apples and Oranges</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1267196220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree entirely - these are different markets, how is this comparison irrelvant? Were they just slow for today's obligitary daily Iphone mention?</p><p>One might as well say that the TiVo doesn't sell as much as Nokia, or Microsoft (both of whom have shipped far more than Apple - indeed, can we have an article on how Apple don't sell as many phones as most other phone companies, or how Macs don't sell as much as Windows PCs? Of course that would be viewed as flamebait...)</p><p>Lumping the Iphone with the Ipod also makes different sense - so the Tivo has to compete against <i>two</i> different families of products, not just one? Why not compare the Iphone to say, every product that Microsoft have ever released...</p><p>The comparison also makes no sense in that the Tivo is measured in terms of the number of <i>current</i> users, whilst figures for things like phones are usually total sales. What are the Tivo's total sales, ever?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree entirely - these are different markets , how is this comparison irrelvant ?
Were they just slow for today 's obligitary daily Iphone mention ? One might as well say that the TiVo does n't sell as much as Nokia , or Microsoft ( both of whom have shipped far more than Apple - indeed , can we have an article on how Apple do n't sell as many phones as most other phone companies , or how Macs do n't sell as much as Windows PCs ?
Of course that would be viewed as flamebait... ) Lumping the Iphone with the Ipod also makes different sense - so the Tivo has to compete against two different families of products , not just one ?
Why not compare the Iphone to say , every product that Microsoft have ever released...The comparison also makes no sense in that the Tivo is measured in terms of the number of current users , whilst figures for things like phones are usually total sales .
What are the Tivo 's total sales , ever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree entirely - these are different markets, how is this comparison irrelvant?
Were they just slow for today's obligitary daily Iphone mention?One might as well say that the TiVo doesn't sell as much as Nokia, or Microsoft (both of whom have shipped far more than Apple - indeed, can we have an article on how Apple don't sell as many phones as most other phone companies, or how Macs don't sell as much as Windows PCs?
Of course that would be viewed as flamebait...)Lumping the Iphone with the Ipod also makes different sense - so the Tivo has to compete against two different families of products, not just one?
Why not compare the Iphone to say, every product that Microsoft have ever released...The comparison also makes no sense in that the Tivo is measured in terms of the number of current users, whilst figures for things like phones are usually total sales.
What are the Tivo's total sales, ever?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283976</id>
	<title>No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1267193940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; I wanted to find out why TiVo hasn't been more successful</p><p>I'm very happy with my Mythtv box. It does way more than a Tivo does, I can customise it, and it has no monthly fees. (Although I do subscribe to Schedules Direct for listings, but that's only $20 per year ).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; I wanted to find out why TiVo has n't been more successfulI 'm very happy with my Mythtv box .
It does way more than a Tivo does , I can customise it , and it has no monthly fees .
( Although I do subscribe to Schedules Direct for listings , but that 's only $ 20 per year ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; I wanted to find out why TiVo hasn't been more successfulI'm very happy with my Mythtv box.
It does way more than a Tivo does, I can customise it, and it has no monthly fees.
(Although I do subscribe to Schedules Direct for listings, but that's only $20 per year ).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285066</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>RailRide</author>
	<datestamp>1267200060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found one item that fits the "DVR that works like a VCR" description--I needed a solution to the problem of DVD recorders that die after a year or two of service. The biggest problem is it's a discontinued item and it doesn't do high-def (I'm not on the HD bandwagon yet, and all of the old VCR recordings I want to convert are SD, so yeah). It's the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos\_TV\%2B" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Archos TV+</a> [wikipedia.org], and although it did at one time offer a subscription-based tv guide function (now defunct, if I recall corectly), it will happily function like a typical VCR without it, down to in-person recording or VCR-style programming. Oh, it also does MP3 and photos.
<br> <br>
On top of that, it can be hooked to your home network, and has USB ports for connecting mass-storage devices to view, transfer or backup recordings. Although I haven't tried it, it's also supposed to let you perform rudimentary edits (like removing commercials) on your recordings, either overwriting the original, or generating a new file.
<br> <br>
Although it isn't advertised as such, it will play Flash Video files, although like the Archos 5-series PMP's it's based on, I think it's limited to those with Sorensen/H.263 compression. I haven't tried it with H.264 FLVs, despite the format list on its Wikipedia entry saying so  (which I feel is suspect).
<br> <br>
Too bad Archos didn't hype the device's ability to function without a subscription, there may have been enough interest in it to warrant a HD version.
<br> <br>
---PCJ</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found one item that fits the " DVR that works like a VCR " description--I needed a solution to the problem of DVD recorders that die after a year or two of service .
The biggest problem is it 's a discontinued item and it does n't do high-def ( I 'm not on the HD bandwagon yet , and all of the old VCR recordings I want to convert are SD , so yeah ) .
It 's the Archos TV + [ wikipedia.org ] , and although it did at one time offer a subscription-based tv guide function ( now defunct , if I recall corectly ) , it will happily function like a typical VCR without it , down to in-person recording or VCR-style programming .
Oh , it also does MP3 and photos .
On top of that , it can be hooked to your home network , and has USB ports for connecting mass-storage devices to view , transfer or backup recordings .
Although I have n't tried it , it 's also supposed to let you perform rudimentary edits ( like removing commercials ) on your recordings , either overwriting the original , or generating a new file .
Although it is n't advertised as such , it will play Flash Video files , although like the Archos 5-series PMP 's it 's based on , I think it 's limited to those with Sorensen/H.263 compression .
I have n't tried it with H.264 FLVs , despite the format list on its Wikipedia entry saying so ( which I feel is suspect ) .
Too bad Archos did n't hype the device 's ability to function without a subscription , there may have been enough interest in it to warrant a HD version .
---PCJ</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found one item that fits the "DVR that works like a VCR" description--I needed a solution to the problem of DVD recorders that die after a year or two of service.
The biggest problem is it's a discontinued item and it doesn't do high-def (I'm not on the HD bandwagon yet, and all of the old VCR recordings I want to convert are SD, so yeah).
It's the Archos TV+ [wikipedia.org], and although it did at one time offer a subscription-based tv guide function (now defunct, if I recall corectly), it will happily function like a typical VCR without it, down to in-person recording or VCR-style programming.
Oh, it also does MP3 and photos.
On top of that, it can be hooked to your home network, and has USB ports for connecting mass-storage devices to view, transfer or backup recordings.
Although I haven't tried it, it's also supposed to let you perform rudimentary edits (like removing commercials) on your recordings, either overwriting the original, or generating a new file.
Although it isn't advertised as such, it will play Flash Video files, although like the Archos 5-series PMP's it's based on, I think it's limited to those with Sorensen/H.263 compression.
I haven't tried it with H.264 FLVs, despite the format list on its Wikipedia entry saying so  (which I feel is suspect).
Too bad Archos didn't hype the device's ability to function without a subscription, there may have been enough interest in it to warrant a HD version.
---PCJ</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31298820</id>
	<title>"especially with a seeming lack of competition'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267302240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had an UltimateTV from DirecTV. It was better than a standalone TiVo because of the integration. Later I upgraded to a DirecTivo (HR10-250) to get HD support and it was not that impressed with the "official" TiVo UI, although DirecTV apparently crippled it, holding back updates found in standalone units. Today I have whatever the latest HD DVR from DirecTV, it does most everything I want, including letting me watch at HD res on my desktop and laptop.</p><p>Tivo tech isn't really that special. Everyone can get it cheaper/bundled from their sat/cable provider. Or you can just use MythTV. What would I want a "real" TiVo?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had an UltimateTV from DirecTV .
It was better than a standalone TiVo because of the integration .
Later I upgraded to a DirecTivo ( HR10-250 ) to get HD support and it was not that impressed with the " official " TiVo UI , although DirecTV apparently crippled it , holding back updates found in standalone units .
Today I have whatever the latest HD DVR from DirecTV , it does most everything I want , including letting me watch at HD res on my desktop and laptop.Tivo tech is n't really that special .
Everyone can get it cheaper/bundled from their sat/cable provider .
Or you can just use MythTV .
What would I want a " real " TiVo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had an UltimateTV from DirecTV.
It was better than a standalone TiVo because of the integration.
Later I upgraded to a DirecTivo (HR10-250) to get HD support and it was not that impressed with the "official" TiVo UI, although DirecTV apparently crippled it, holding back updates found in standalone units.
Today I have whatever the latest HD DVR from DirecTV, it does most everything I want, including letting me watch at HD res on my desktop and laptop.Tivo tech isn't really that special.
Everyone can get it cheaper/bundled from their sat/cable provider.
Or you can just use MythTV.
What would I want a "real" TiVo?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31283962</id>
	<title>Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267193820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I never bought one because of the monthly fee. I would buy one immediately if there was no monthly fee. I assume there is still a monthly fee, correct?
<br>
<br>There is absolutely no reason to have a monthly fee on this piece of hardware. I understand there is a minor "service" they provide in getting schedules and being able to set up recording through an internet page, but in no way does that constitute the size of the monthly fee I remember seeing. <br> <br>Also, I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee. What? Why can't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record?<br>
<br>
Please correct me if my history is off, or things have changed. I'd take a serious look at a TiVo if things are now different.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never bought one because of the monthly fee .
I would buy one immediately if there was no monthly fee .
I assume there is still a monthly fee , correct ?
There is absolutely no reason to have a monthly fee on this piece of hardware .
I understand there is a minor " service " they provide in getting schedules and being able to set up recording through an internet page , but in no way does that constitute the size of the monthly fee I remember seeing .
Also , I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee .
What ? Why ca n't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record ?
Please correct me if my history is off , or things have changed .
I 'd take a serious look at a TiVo if things are now different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never bought one because of the monthly fee.
I would buy one immediately if there was no monthly fee.
I assume there is still a monthly fee, correct?
There is absolutely no reason to have a monthly fee on this piece of hardware.
I understand there is a minor "service" they provide in getting schedules and being able to set up recording through an internet page, but in no way does that constitute the size of the monthly fee I remember seeing.
Also, I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee.
What? Why can't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record?
Please correct me if my history is off, or things have changed.
I'd take a serious look at a TiVo if things are now different.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285076</id>
	<title>Replay Was First, and Best</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267200060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At that CES, ReplayTV won "Best of Show". Ten years ago Replay was letting people share and stream their recorded shows over the internet, schedule shows via web over internet, and automatically blanking commercials. For all these wonderful abilities Replay was sued into extinction bu the TV/Movie companies. Tivo was always their bitch, and so they let it totter along to give the illusion of choice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At that CES , ReplayTV won " Best of Show " .
Ten years ago Replay was letting people share and stream their recorded shows over the internet , schedule shows via web over internet , and automatically blanking commercials .
For all these wonderful abilities Replay was sued into extinction bu the TV/Movie companies .
Tivo was always their bitch , and so they let it totter along to give the illusion of choice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At that CES, ReplayTV won "Best of Show".
Ten years ago Replay was letting people share and stream their recorded shows over the internet, schedule shows via web over internet, and automatically blanking commercials.
For all these wonderful abilities Replay was sued into extinction bu the TV/Movie companies.
Tivo was always their bitch, and so they let it totter along to give the illusion of choice...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284252</id>
	<title>Tivo is not failing because of collusion</title>
	<author>CByrd17</author>
	<datestamp>1267195620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on, really?

Tivo is losing subscribers for a few reasons:

1) Cable companies now offer their own DVRs -- Tivo used to be the only game in town
2) You don't have to buy a new DVR if your cable company's DVR fails; you just trade in your old one
    -- with Tivo...if it's outside the warranty period you have to buy a new one (yes, I know the cable company charges you a monthly rental fee)
3) Cable companies don't charge anything for the privilege of recording onto a DVR (Tivo makes you buy the box AND charges you a monthly fee).

I used to have Tivo, and I liked it, but not enough to buy a third new box after my first two failed.  Especially considering the above.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , really ?
Tivo is losing subscribers for a few reasons : 1 ) Cable companies now offer their own DVRs -- Tivo used to be the only game in town 2 ) You do n't have to buy a new DVR if your cable company 's DVR fails ; you just trade in your old one -- with Tivo...if it 's outside the warranty period you have to buy a new one ( yes , I know the cable company charges you a monthly rental fee ) 3 ) Cable companies do n't charge anything for the privilege of recording onto a DVR ( Tivo makes you buy the box AND charges you a monthly fee ) .
I used to have Tivo , and I liked it , but not enough to buy a third new box after my first two failed .
Especially considering the above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, really?
Tivo is losing subscribers for a few reasons:

1) Cable companies now offer their own DVRs -- Tivo used to be the only game in town
2) You don't have to buy a new DVR if your cable company's DVR fails; you just trade in your old one
    -- with Tivo...if it's outside the warranty period you have to buy a new one (yes, I know the cable company charges you a monthly rental fee)
3) Cable companies don't charge anything for the privilege of recording onto a DVR (Tivo makes you buy the box AND charges you a monthly fee).
I used to have Tivo, and I liked it, but not enough to buy a third new box after my first two failed.
Especially considering the above.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286398</id>
	<title>Tautologically time transitioning tivo hype</title>
	<author>jginspace</author>
	<datestamp>1267205820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And TiVo fans (like myself) tend to love TiVo.</p></div><p>You don't say<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And TiVo fans ( like myself ) tend to love TiVo.You do n't say .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And TiVo fans (like myself) tend to love TiVo.You don't say ...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285072</id>
	<title>Re:Confessions of a former TIvo owner</title>
	<author>corecaptain</author>
	<datestamp>1267200060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have Humax running right now in the Den. Love this box.  The DVD burning feature is so nice.  Just pop in a blank disk, select the shows to burn<br>and done.  Now you have a DVD to take with you on vacation, for the kids in the car, or to pass to a friend.  Sadly they don't sell this unit or any other<br>with DVD burner built in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have Humax running right now in the Den .
Love this box .
The DVD burning feature is so nice .
Just pop in a blank disk , select the shows to burnand done .
Now you have a DVD to take with you on vacation , for the kids in the car , or to pass to a friend .
Sadly they do n't sell this unit or any otherwith DVD burner built in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have Humax running right now in the Den.
Love this box.
The DVD burning feature is so nice.
Just pop in a blank disk, select the shows to burnand done.
Now you have a DVD to take with you on vacation, for the kids in the car, or to pass to a friend.
Sadly they don't sell this unit or any otherwith DVD burner built in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287270</id>
	<title>TIVO isn't dead but its not flourishing either.</title>
	<author>RedTeflon</author>
	<datestamp>1267208580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I looked into getting a TIVO when I finally sacked up and got satellite TV.<br>
I decided on the $5 a month DVR rental from my satellite company.<br>
True they own it, and I rent it, &amp; they monitor my viewing habits but I dont really care about that<br>
For 60 bucks a month I get to DVR my shows, sure Id love to download them to other sources but its hard to beat the $60 a year value.<br>
And every couple years I upgrade it and get a bigger badder version.<br>
I see my DVR just like broadband internet &amp; my smart phone.  Once I have it Im never going back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked into getting a TIVO when I finally sacked up and got satellite TV .
I decided on the $ 5 a month DVR rental from my satellite company .
True they own it , and I rent it , &amp; they monitor my viewing habits but I dont really care about that For 60 bucks a month I get to DVR my shows , sure Id love to download them to other sources but its hard to beat the $ 60 a year value .
And every couple years I upgrade it and get a bigger badder version .
I see my DVR just like broadband internet &amp; my smart phone .
Once I have it Im never going back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked into getting a TIVO when I finally sacked up and got satellite TV.
I decided on the $5 a month DVR rental from my satellite company.
True they own it, and I rent it, &amp; they monitor my viewing habits but I dont really care about that
For 60 bucks a month I get to DVR my shows, sure Id love to download them to other sources but its hard to beat the $60 a year value.
And every couple years I upgrade it and get a bigger badder version.
I see my DVR just like broadband internet &amp; my smart phone.
Once I have it Im never going back.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284264</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1267195620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>File away with 8-track, betamax and video disks<br></i><br>Eight tracks don't belong in your list. They were in everybody's cars (except mine, I used cassettes) and most houses for over ten years. And they weren't technically superior, even though they had twice the transport speed of cassette. They had to switch tracks four times per album, and often this would have songs cut off in the middle. The tapes were bulky and unwieldy, and if a tape got "eaten" it was harder to repair than a casette.</p><p>People finally realized that they were inferior and they were superceded by cassettes, which were originally developed for dictation. You can file eight tracks with 78 rpm shellack records, black and white CRT TVs, automotive carburators, and steam locomotives, not Betamax or video disks.</p><p>They were included in a humorous K5 article I wrote back in 2005, <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/19/10456/6589" title="kuro5hin.org">Good Riddance to Bad Tech</a> [kuro5hin.org] (which is a bit out of date; today's shoelaces are superior, and they've brought back volume knobs in car radios).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>File away with 8-track , betamax and video disksEight tracks do n't belong in your list .
They were in everybody 's cars ( except mine , I used cassettes ) and most houses for over ten years .
And they were n't technically superior , even though they had twice the transport speed of cassette .
They had to switch tracks four times per album , and often this would have songs cut off in the middle .
The tapes were bulky and unwieldy , and if a tape got " eaten " it was harder to repair than a casette.People finally realized that they were inferior and they were superceded by cassettes , which were originally developed for dictation .
You can file eight tracks with 78 rpm shellack records , black and white CRT TVs , automotive carburators , and steam locomotives , not Betamax or video disks.They were included in a humorous K5 article I wrote back in 2005 , Good Riddance to Bad Tech [ kuro5hin.org ] ( which is a bit out of date ; today 's shoelaces are superior , and they 've brought back volume knobs in car radios ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>File away with 8-track, betamax and video disksEight tracks don't belong in your list.
They were in everybody's cars (except mine, I used cassettes) and most houses for over ten years.
And they weren't technically superior, even though they had twice the transport speed of cassette.
They had to switch tracks four times per album, and often this would have songs cut off in the middle.
The tapes were bulky and unwieldy, and if a tape got "eaten" it was harder to repair than a casette.People finally realized that they were inferior and they were superceded by cassettes, which were originally developed for dictation.
You can file eight tracks with 78 rpm shellack records, black and white CRT TVs, automotive carburators, and steam locomotives, not Betamax or video disks.They were included in a humorous K5 article I wrote back in 2005, Good Riddance to Bad Tech [kuro5hin.org] (which is a bit out of date; today's shoelaces are superior, and they've brought back volume knobs in car radios).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285510</id>
	<title>H.T.P.C. killed the Tivo Star</title>
	<author>djdevon3</author>
	<datestamp>1267202340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest a correlation of Windows Media Center's rise vs. Tivo's fall.  I wanted to build an HTPC the first time I saw what XPMCE could really do.  This was expanded with Vista Media Center (which I built my first HTPC with).  Win7 is now a great choice for building your own cheap HTPC.  Yes building a dedicated HTPC is more expensive but in the long run you won't be tied to a proprietary console and limited storage (plus a litany of other things).  Very similar argument to console gaming vs pc gaming.<br> <br>

Now, you got yer MythTV lovers, Windows Media Center lovers, and so on.  Anyone that has their own HTPC loves them far more than a Tivo because they can do 10x more.  A comparison to the iPhone (in my opinion) is ludicrous.  They aren't even close to the same market.  Even my grandma has a cellphone.  You think she wants a Tivo when she can't even get the 12:00 to stop blinking on her VCR?  Make no mistakes folks, the HTPC is here to stay and will only become a more popular component of the home system.
<br> <br>
So let's get this discussion headed where it should have been originally.  One of Tivo's fall...and continual fall...due to the HTPC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm gon na go out on a limb here and suggest a correlation of Windows Media Center 's rise vs. Tivo 's fall .
I wanted to build an HTPC the first time I saw what XPMCE could really do .
This was expanded with Vista Media Center ( which I built my first HTPC with ) .
Win7 is now a great choice for building your own cheap HTPC .
Yes building a dedicated HTPC is more expensive but in the long run you wo n't be tied to a proprietary console and limited storage ( plus a litany of other things ) .
Very similar argument to console gaming vs pc gaming .
Now , you got yer MythTV lovers , Windows Media Center lovers , and so on .
Anyone that has their own HTPC loves them far more than a Tivo because they can do 10x more .
A comparison to the iPhone ( in my opinion ) is ludicrous .
They are n't even close to the same market .
Even my grandma has a cellphone .
You think she wants a Tivo when she ca n't even get the 12 : 00 to stop blinking on her VCR ?
Make no mistakes folks , the HTPC is here to stay and will only become a more popular component of the home system .
So let 's get this discussion headed where it should have been originally .
One of Tivo 's fall...and continual fall...due to the HTPC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest a correlation of Windows Media Center's rise vs. Tivo's fall.
I wanted to build an HTPC the first time I saw what XPMCE could really do.
This was expanded with Vista Media Center (which I built my first HTPC with).
Win7 is now a great choice for building your own cheap HTPC.
Yes building a dedicated HTPC is more expensive but in the long run you won't be tied to a proprietary console and limited storage (plus a litany of other things).
Very similar argument to console gaming vs pc gaming.
Now, you got yer MythTV lovers, Windows Media Center lovers, and so on.
Anyone that has their own HTPC loves them far more than a Tivo because they can do 10x more.
A comparison to the iPhone (in my opinion) is ludicrous.
They aren't even close to the same market.
Even my grandma has a cellphone.
You think she wants a Tivo when she can't even get the 12:00 to stop blinking on her VCR?
Make no mistakes folks, the HTPC is here to stay and will only become a more popular component of the home system.
So let's get this discussion headed where it should have been originally.
One of Tivo's fall...and continual fall...due to the HTPC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284522</id>
	<title>Re:We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1267197060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As it happens I've got a spare TiVo ethernet card knocking around. Email me if you want it.</p><p>You'd have to chase down drivers, be prepared to mount the TiVo HDD under a special Linux kernel to set it up, etc. But it's pretty straightforward.</p><p>Add a WiFi bridge and you're away. Plus you can use TiVoWeb -- schedule recordings over the web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As it happens I 've got a spare TiVo ethernet card knocking around .
Email me if you want it.You 'd have to chase down drivers , be prepared to mount the TiVo HDD under a special Linux kernel to set it up , etc .
But it 's pretty straightforward.Add a WiFi bridge and you 're away .
Plus you can use TiVoWeb -- schedule recordings over the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As it happens I've got a spare TiVo ethernet card knocking around.
Email me if you want it.You'd have to chase down drivers, be prepared to mount the TiVo HDD under a special Linux kernel to set it up, etc.
But it's pretty straightforward.Add a WiFi bridge and you're away.
Plus you can use TiVoWeb -- schedule recordings over the web.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284288</id>
	<title>An international perspective</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1267195860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what you get when your markets aren't competitive, so there's no reason for them to embrace new things. Sky, our big satellite TV operator, started agressively pitching a branded PVR system called "Sky Plus" about five years ago, as a selling point versus the entrenched cable companies. Time passes, the idea's lodged on the public mind, and now PVRs are a ubiquitous option when you sign up for a TV service, mandatory with an HDTV service, whether it's through satellite or cable, and there's a concerted marketing effort for free-to-air PVR boxes under the "Freeview Plus" banner. There are about twice as many Sky Plus subscribers on our tiny island as there are TiVo users in the entire US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what you get when your markets are n't competitive , so there 's no reason for them to embrace new things .
Sky , our big satellite TV operator , started agressively pitching a branded PVR system called " Sky Plus " about five years ago , as a selling point versus the entrenched cable companies .
Time passes , the idea 's lodged on the public mind , and now PVRs are a ubiquitous option when you sign up for a TV service , mandatory with an HDTV service , whether it 's through satellite or cable , and there 's a concerted marketing effort for free-to-air PVR boxes under the " Freeview Plus " banner .
There are about twice as many Sky Plus subscribers on our tiny island as there are TiVo users in the entire US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what you get when your markets aren't competitive, so there's no reason for them to embrace new things.
Sky, our big satellite TV operator, started agressively pitching a branded PVR system called "Sky Plus" about five years ago, as a selling point versus the entrenched cable companies.
Time passes, the idea's lodged on the public mind, and now PVRs are a ubiquitous option when you sign up for a TV service, mandatory with an HDTV service, whether it's through satellite or cable, and there's a concerted marketing effort for free-to-air PVR boxes under the "Freeview Plus" banner.
There are about twice as many Sky Plus subscribers on our tiny island as there are TiVo users in the entire US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284148</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1267195080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a ReplayTV (competitor to TiVo, same basic idea) about 6 years ago, and paid $200 for the "lifetime service".  Like TiVO, with a ReplayTV, once the listings stop being fed to the machine it cannot record anything - you can't just do time/day based recording.  The monthly service was something like $15, so I figured I might as well "prepay" for 14 months of service and get lifetime service that way.</p><p>The overall machine cost $400 with the lifetime service, and 6 years and counting and the machine is working just fine.  And I could easily resell it and include the lifetime service with it if I ever decide I don't need it any more.</p><p>Somehow, ReplayTV is continuing to offer channel updates, even though I'm not sure you could buy a new one today if you wanted to.  They have been absorbed by DirectTV, so I'm sure that's the technology inside DirectTV's DVR units.</p><p>I don't know if TiVo has a lifetime prepay option, but it might be worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a ReplayTV ( competitor to TiVo , same basic idea ) about 6 years ago , and paid $ 200 for the " lifetime service " .
Like TiVO , with a ReplayTV , once the listings stop being fed to the machine it can not record anything - you ca n't just do time/day based recording .
The monthly service was something like $ 15 , so I figured I might as well " prepay " for 14 months of service and get lifetime service that way.The overall machine cost $ 400 with the lifetime service , and 6 years and counting and the machine is working just fine .
And I could easily resell it and include the lifetime service with it if I ever decide I do n't need it any more.Somehow , ReplayTV is continuing to offer channel updates , even though I 'm not sure you could buy a new one today if you wanted to .
They have been absorbed by DirectTV , so I 'm sure that 's the technology inside DirectTV 's DVR units.I do n't know if TiVo has a lifetime prepay option , but it might be worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a ReplayTV (competitor to TiVo, same basic idea) about 6 years ago, and paid $200 for the "lifetime service".
Like TiVO, with a ReplayTV, once the listings stop being fed to the machine it cannot record anything - you can't just do time/day based recording.
The monthly service was something like $15, so I figured I might as well "prepay" for 14 months of service and get lifetime service that way.The overall machine cost $400 with the lifetime service, and 6 years and counting and the machine is working just fine.
And I could easily resell it and include the lifetime service with it if I ever decide I don't need it any more.Somehow, ReplayTV is continuing to offer channel updates, even though I'm not sure you could buy a new one today if you wanted to.
They have been absorbed by DirectTV, so I'm sure that's the technology inside DirectTV's DVR units.I don't know if TiVo has a lifetime prepay option, but it might be worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284134</id>
	<title>Re:We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1267194960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can use an ethernet cable or wifi to connect your TiVo to the internet.  The Series 2 box I bought in 2005 had that capability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can use an ethernet cable or wifi to connect your TiVo to the internet .
The Series 2 box I bought in 2005 had that capability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can use an ethernet cable or wifi to connect your TiVo to the internet.
The Series 2 box I bought in 2005 had that capability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284624</id>
	<title>Re:Because it doesn't make sense.</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1267197600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're looking for sense you're on the wrong planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're looking for sense you 're on the wrong planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're looking for sense you're on the wrong planet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288612</id>
	<title>Re:Yes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267213020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never had a VCR that let me pause an incoming stream while it continued to record in the background, then let me start watching the past stream while it continued to record the present. In fact, unless you had a VCR with lots of RAM (unlikely) its really impossible with tape based memory alone.</p><p>Now maybe the term "time shifting" is not a good one, but for me it translates to more than just watching something I recorded 2 hours earlier. It includes pausing an incoming stream (while background recording still occurs), require a single button click to activate that feature (click pause button), require a single button click to resume watching the "past tense" stream (play button), be able to fast forward/rewind that stream (again while incoming stream is still being recorded), then not to mention the more standard (and admittedly VCRs had this) ability to program the device to record a program playing on a specific time/channel.</p><p>VCRs were a great thing while they lasted, and definitely laid some important ground work, but the TiVo experience is really totally different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never had a VCR that let me pause an incoming stream while it continued to record in the background , then let me start watching the past stream while it continued to record the present .
In fact , unless you had a VCR with lots of RAM ( unlikely ) its really impossible with tape based memory alone.Now maybe the term " time shifting " is not a good one , but for me it translates to more than just watching something I recorded 2 hours earlier .
It includes pausing an incoming stream ( while background recording still occurs ) , require a single button click to activate that feature ( click pause button ) , require a single button click to resume watching the " past tense " stream ( play button ) , be able to fast forward/rewind that stream ( again while incoming stream is still being recorded ) , then not to mention the more standard ( and admittedly VCRs had this ) ability to program the device to record a program playing on a specific time/channel.VCRs were a great thing while they lasted , and definitely laid some important ground work , but the TiVo experience is really totally different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never had a VCR that let me pause an incoming stream while it continued to record in the background, then let me start watching the past stream while it continued to record the present.
In fact, unless you had a VCR with lots of RAM (unlikely) its really impossible with tape based memory alone.Now maybe the term "time shifting" is not a good one, but for me it translates to more than just watching something I recorded 2 hours earlier.
It includes pausing an incoming stream (while background recording still occurs), require a single button click to activate that feature (click pause button), require a single button click to resume watching the "past tense" stream (play button), be able to fast forward/rewind that stream (again while incoming stream is still being recorded), then not to mention the more standard (and admittedly VCRs had this) ability to program the device to record a program playing on a specific time/channel.VCRs were a great thing while they lasted, and definitely laid some important ground work, but the TiVo experience is really totally different.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284270</id>
	<title>false credit</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1267195740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TiVo didn't invent the DVR, they were simply the first company with a successful consumer product.    And they were successful just because prices had come down so much.</p><p>And it's a dying and obsolete product category anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo did n't invent the DVR , they were simply the first company with a successful consumer product .
And they were successful just because prices had come down so much.And it 's a dying and obsolete product category anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo didn't invent the DVR, they were simply the first company with a successful consumer product.
And they were successful just because prices had come down so much.And it's a dying and obsolete product category anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31290052</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1267176240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much internet bandwidth does it take up though?  If I ever get rid of satellite I might consider it, but I may need to get cable just to get enough internet bandwidth for decent internet TV.  Though the cost of buying a high quality, low power, low noise, long life PC that can be left on 24/7 for 10 years to work as the MythTV puts me off too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much internet bandwidth does it take up though ?
If I ever get rid of satellite I might consider it , but I may need to get cable just to get enough internet bandwidth for decent internet TV .
Though the cost of buying a high quality , low power , low noise , long life PC that can be left on 24/7 for 10 years to work as the MythTV puts me off too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much internet bandwidth does it take up though?
If I ever get rid of satellite I might consider it, but I may need to get cable just to get enough internet bandwidth for decent internet TV.
Though the cost of buying a high quality, low power, low noise, long life PC that can be left on 24/7 for 10 years to work as the MythTV puts me off too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284040</id>
	<title>Bad customer service</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was a huge TiVo fan, at one time running 3 boxes in my house (this was before the Tivo HD or Series 3 had come out).  I was going to be out of the country for 3 months so I called Tivo and asked them to suspend my service.  After a huge going back and forth, they came back and said they would.  Well I got home from my trip and checked my bank account and noticed Tivo had charged me the entire time.  I called them up and they refused to offer a refund for the time I was without service because the tivos were "connecting to their servers".  Well no shit, I didn't unplug them while I was gone!</p><p>So, to make a long story short, they had no record my original call.  To top it off, they disconnected them *then* for me, without me asking.  And then informed me that my old pricing plan $12.95/mo for first and $6.95 for addl ones was no longer available.  I would be required to sign a 24 month contract and pay something like $19.95/mo and $9.95/mo additional.  Seriously, Tivo is fucked customer service wise.  I would never ever give them a cent of mine again.  I thought the original rates were bad for what you're getting (tribune listings which are available all over the net for free) but the new prices are jaw-dropping.  I hope Tivo fails.  I really like my Dish DVR now, 3 tuners, can record 2 HD shows, 1 HD off-air show, and watch a separate show.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a huge TiVo fan , at one time running 3 boxes in my house ( this was before the Tivo HD or Series 3 had come out ) .
I was going to be out of the country for 3 months so I called Tivo and asked them to suspend my service .
After a huge going back and forth , they came back and said they would .
Well I got home from my trip and checked my bank account and noticed Tivo had charged me the entire time .
I called them up and they refused to offer a refund for the time I was without service because the tivos were " connecting to their servers " .
Well no shit , I did n't unplug them while I was gone ! So , to make a long story short , they had no record my original call .
To top it off , they disconnected them * then * for me , without me asking .
And then informed me that my old pricing plan $ 12.95/mo for first and $ 6.95 for addl ones was no longer available .
I would be required to sign a 24 month contract and pay something like $ 19.95/mo and $ 9.95/mo additional .
Seriously , Tivo is fucked customer service wise .
I would never ever give them a cent of mine again .
I thought the original rates were bad for what you 're getting ( tribune listings which are available all over the net for free ) but the new prices are jaw-dropping .
I hope Tivo fails .
I really like my Dish DVR now , 3 tuners , can record 2 HD shows , 1 HD off-air show , and watch a separate show .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a huge TiVo fan, at one time running 3 boxes in my house (this was before the Tivo HD or Series 3 had come out).
I was going to be out of the country for 3 months so I called Tivo and asked them to suspend my service.
After a huge going back and forth, they came back and said they would.
Well I got home from my trip and checked my bank account and noticed Tivo had charged me the entire time.
I called them up and they refused to offer a refund for the time I was without service because the tivos were "connecting to their servers".
Well no shit, I didn't unplug them while I was gone!So, to make a long story short, they had no record my original call.
To top it off, they disconnected them *then* for me, without me asking.
And then informed me that my old pricing plan $12.95/mo for first and $6.95 for addl ones was no longer available.
I would be required to sign a 24 month contract and pay something like $19.95/mo and $9.95/mo additional.
Seriously, Tivo is fucked customer service wise.
I would never ever give them a cent of mine again.
I thought the original rates were bad for what you're getting (tribune listings which are available all over the net for free) but the new prices are jaw-dropping.
I hope Tivo fails.
I really like my Dish DVR now, 3 tuners, can record 2 HD shows, 1 HD off-air show, and watch a separate show.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285864</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee + Corporate Farkwads</title>
	<author>osgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1267204080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right on...</p><p>Like many others in this thread, it all comes down to not wanting to pay outrageous subscription fees.</p><p>It just never made economic sense.</p><p>Tivo is just too friggin' greedy.  On top of subscription fees, then they have the nerve to put ads in their users' faces.</p><p>No way.</p><p>I can build my own PVR *system* so don't need their nonsense.  I don't even care if it sometimes costs me more to go my own way.  Screw Tivo.  They wasted a shitload of good will and credit for the coolness of their ideas with a lot of bare naked greed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on...Like many others in this thread , it all comes down to not wanting to pay outrageous subscription fees.It just never made economic sense.Tivo is just too friggin ' greedy .
On top of subscription fees , then they have the nerve to put ads in their users ' faces.No way.I can build my own PVR * system * so do n't need their nonsense .
I do n't even care if it sometimes costs me more to go my own way .
Screw Tivo .
They wasted a shitload of good will and credit for the coolness of their ideas with a lot of bare naked greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on...Like many others in this thread, it all comes down to not wanting to pay outrageous subscription fees.It just never made economic sense.Tivo is just too friggin' greedy.
On top of subscription fees, then they have the nerve to put ads in their users' faces.No way.I can build my own PVR *system* so don't need their nonsense.
I don't even care if it sometimes costs me more to go my own way.
Screw Tivo.
They wasted a shitload of good will and credit for the coolness of their ideas with a lot of bare naked greed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286716</id>
	<title>Don't Need it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267206840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking only for my self; I don't have a Tivo because I've no interest in one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking only for my self ; I do n't have a Tivo because I 've no interest in one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking only for my self; I don't have a Tivo because I've no interest in one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284280</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1267195800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Also, I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee. What? Why can't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record?<br></i><br>Because the people making them are greedy bastards. The corporate world wants a monthly fee for everything these days, even when they provide no services. You're far better off building a Myth TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee .
What ? Why ca n't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record ? Because the people making them are greedy bastards .
The corporate world wants a monthly fee for everything these days , even when they provide no services .
You 're far better off building a Myth TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, I believe the device stopped working after you stopped paying the monthly fee.
What? Why can't it work like an old-school VCR at that point where you have to manually program when it should record?Because the people making them are greedy bastards.
The corporate world wants a monthly fee for everything these days, even when they provide no services.
You're far better off building a Myth TV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285398</id>
	<title>Some corrections on Tivo vs Cable and DVRs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267201800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo's monthly fee of about $10 is NOT saved by re-purposing an old computer into a DVR, because the old computer eats almost that much power every month (assuming 40 watts for a tivo and 200 watts for a computer, running 24/7).</p><p>Some people are saying "vs $15 for cable" and confusing people... they may mean $15 per month for a cable company DVR. OR, depending on context, they may also mean BASIC cable, which is sometimes given a different name by the cable company so the cable company can name their $50/month package "Basic," and thus sell it to callers who assume "Basic" means "cheapest." Cable companies are regulated and have to offer a service (they don't have to call it "basic") that is just the broadcast stations and local access for a regulated rate, about $15.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo 's monthly fee of about $ 10 is NOT saved by re-purposing an old computer into a DVR , because the old computer eats almost that much power every month ( assuming 40 watts for a tivo and 200 watts for a computer , running 24/7 ) .Some people are saying " vs $ 15 for cable " and confusing people... they may mean $ 15 per month for a cable company DVR .
OR , depending on context , they may also mean BASIC cable , which is sometimes given a different name by the cable company so the cable company can name their $ 50/month package " Basic , " and thus sell it to callers who assume " Basic " means " cheapest .
" Cable companies are regulated and have to offer a service ( they do n't have to call it " basic " ) that is just the broadcast stations and local access for a regulated rate , about $ 15 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo's monthly fee of about $10 is NOT saved by re-purposing an old computer into a DVR, because the old computer eats almost that much power every month (assuming 40 watts for a tivo and 200 watts for a computer, running 24/7).Some people are saying "vs $15 for cable" and confusing people... they may mean $15 per month for a cable company DVR.
OR, depending on context, they may also mean BASIC cable, which is sometimes given a different name by the cable company so the cable company can name their $50/month package "Basic," and thus sell it to callers who assume "Basic" means "cheapest.
" Cable companies are regulated and have to offer a service (they don't have to call it "basic") that is just the broadcast stations and local access for a regulated rate, about $15.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284408</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267196520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have two TiVO units.  One was given to me with a lifetime subscription already attached to it, the other I paid for the lifetime subscription.  At the time, I think the subscription was $300 and equivalent to approximately 2.5 years worth of service.  I've had them for over 5 years now so it was money well used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two TiVO units .
One was given to me with a lifetime subscription already attached to it , the other I paid for the lifetime subscription .
At the time , I think the subscription was $ 300 and equivalent to approximately 2.5 years worth of service .
I 've had them for over 5 years now so it was money well used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two TiVO units.
One was given to me with a lifetime subscription already attached to it, the other I paid for the lifetime subscription.
At the time, I think the subscription was $300 and equivalent to approximately 2.5 years worth of service.
I've had them for over 5 years now so it was money well used.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31293398</id>
	<title>Ditto!</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1267194600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ditto. I never bought it (and ohters) because of the high prices, especially subscriptions. I love VCRs and still use them because of lack of DRM, no required subscription, reliability (mine is ten years old!), etc. Yeah, quality sucks, can't timeshift, etc.</p><p>I don't need the TV guide/schedule to schedule. Also, I don't even subscribe to cable or satellite since I do over the air (OTA). I still have yet to find a hardware DVR that can do HD and no subscription. I do not want to do it on a computer either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ditto .
I never bought it ( and ohters ) because of the high prices , especially subscriptions .
I love VCRs and still use them because of lack of DRM , no required subscription , reliability ( mine is ten years old !
) , etc .
Yeah , quality sucks , ca n't timeshift , etc.I do n't need the TV guide/schedule to schedule .
Also , I do n't even subscribe to cable or satellite since I do over the air ( OTA ) .
I still have yet to find a hardware DVR that can do HD and no subscription .
I do not want to do it on a computer either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ditto.
I never bought it (and ohters) because of the high prices, especially subscriptions.
I love VCRs and still use them because of lack of DRM, no required subscription, reliability (mine is ten years old!
), etc.
Yeah, quality sucks, can't timeshift, etc.I don't need the TV guide/schedule to schedule.
Also, I don't even subscribe to cable or satellite since I do over the air (OTA).
I still have yet to find a hardware DVR that can do HD and no subscription.
I do not want to do it on a computer either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285874</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Rantastic</author>
	<datestamp>1267204080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>DVR is not even the first digital recording method - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.</p></div><p>Actually, digital video was first introduced commercially in 1986 with the Sony D-1 format.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DVR is not even the first digital recording method - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.Actually , digital video was first introduced commercially in 1986 with the Sony D-1 format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DVR is not even the first digital recording method - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.Actually, digital video was first introduced commercially in 1986 with the Sony D-1 format.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284706</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Comboman</author>
	<datestamp>1267198080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're around, you just have to look for them.  I bought an 80GB Pioneer DVR a couple of years ago and it works great for me.  Programming it is a little VCR-like, but there's no monthly fee like with TiVo or cable company boxes, and no complicated schedule "scraping" and noisy PC in the living room like with MythTV or Boxee.  And it's also a decent upconverting DVD player.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're around , you just have to look for them .
I bought an 80GB Pioneer DVR a couple of years ago and it works great for me .
Programming it is a little VCR-like , but there 's no monthly fee like with TiVo or cable company boxes , and no complicated schedule " scraping " and noisy PC in the living room like with MythTV or Boxee .
And it 's also a decent upconverting DVD player .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're around, you just have to look for them.
I bought an 80GB Pioneer DVR a couple of years ago and it works great for me.
Programming it is a little VCR-like, but there's no monthly fee like with TiVo or cable company boxes, and no complicated schedule "scraping" and noisy PC in the living room like with MythTV or Boxee.
And it's also a decent upconverting DVD player.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286252</id>
	<title>Why would they do that?</title>
	<author>ProfBooty</author>
	<datestamp>1267205340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DirectTV bought replaytv which arguably has a better product than Tivo ever did (web accessible, networking features, transmission over the internet and... COMMERCIAL SKIPPING!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DirectTV bought replaytv which arguably has a better product than Tivo ever did ( web accessible , networking features , transmission over the internet and... COMMERCIAL SKIPPING !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DirectTV bought replaytv which arguably has a better product than Tivo ever did (web accessible, networking features, transmission over the internet and... COMMERCIAL SKIPPING!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285690</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>b0bby</author>
	<datestamp>1267203180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep the fee is the problem for me too. They want to charge more for guide data than Netflix does to mail me DVDs &amp; stream me all the movies I can watch. It's crazy. I'd buy one for OTA recording if they'd sell it without a subscription, but they won't so I'll get a Revo &amp; a USB tuner card instead as soon as my Dish contract expires. I'll be happy to be done with their crappy DVR; the DirecTivo I had before was really great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep the fee is the problem for me too .
They want to charge more for guide data than Netflix does to mail me DVDs &amp; stream me all the movies I can watch .
It 's crazy .
I 'd buy one for OTA recording if they 'd sell it without a subscription , but they wo n't so I 'll get a Revo &amp; a USB tuner card instead as soon as my Dish contract expires .
I 'll be happy to be done with their crappy DVR ; the DirecTivo I had before was really great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep the fee is the problem for me too.
They want to charge more for guide data than Netflix does to mail me DVDs &amp; stream me all the movies I can watch.
It's crazy.
I'd buy one for OTA recording if they'd sell it without a subscription, but they won't so I'll get a Revo &amp; a USB tuner card instead as soon as my Dish contract expires.
I'll be happy to be done with their crappy DVR; the DirecTivo I had before was really great.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286582</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267206420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I set up MythTV the tuning just wouldn't work right but it seems to have been fixed. I recently reinstalled on some newer drives in LVM and it took less than an hour to configure. This is on UK freeview using Ubuntu 9.10 server and manually installing myth-backend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I set up MythTV the tuning just would n't work right but it seems to have been fixed .
I recently reinstalled on some newer drives in LVM and it took less than an hour to configure .
This is on UK freeview using Ubuntu 9.10 server and manually installing myth-backend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I set up MythTV the tuning just wouldn't work right but it seems to have been fixed.
I recently reinstalled on some newer drives in LVM and it took less than an hour to configure.
This is on UK freeview using Ubuntu 9.10 server and manually installing myth-backend.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285046</id>
	<title>ATI All-In-Wonder did pause.</title>
	<author>WittyName</author>
	<datestamp>1267199940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did the pause thing, and you could play back at 10\% faster to catch up..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the pause thing , and you could play back at 10 \ % faster to catch up. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the pause thing, and you could play back at 10\% faster to catch up..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285898</id>
	<title>Underlying problem</title>
	<author>chrisl456</author>
	<datestamp>1267204260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think TiVo's underlying problem is that they try to please two very different groups: people who watch TV, and the content producers / cable companies. If they'd just pick one (even if it's not consumers), they'd have a more focused vision and would likely be more successful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think TiVo 's underlying problem is that they try to please two very different groups : people who watch TV , and the content producers / cable companies .
If they 'd just pick one ( even if it 's not consumers ) , they 'd have a more focused vision and would likely be more successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think TiVo's underlying problem is that they try to please two very different groups: people who watch TV, and the content producers / cable companies.
If they'd just pick one (even if it's not consumers), they'd have a more focused vision and would likely be more successful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285646</id>
	<title>Re:Cost and portability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267202940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  I own a TiVo-s2, but only after trying to build one for myself. I bought a lifetime subscription a few months later and it is still working. That $300+$300 = $600 has saved me countless hours in dealing with TV shows, commercials while still letting me watch most the stuff I want.</p><p>I NEVER would have paid $600 for that, but since I was already in for $300 it made sense. I did the math - in a little over 16 months, my lifetime was paid for. My purchase was made in 2004. I'm 3 yrs beyond and have reduced my monthly fee to $5/month. I use my TiVo far more than any cell phone I've ever owned and it doesn't cost anywhere near the same amount. Most people can't use just $600/yr in cell charges.</p><p>The "free" DVRs included with cable or IP-TV are good enough. TiVo is significantly better, but "free" goes a long way and effectively locks TiVo out of those homes.</p><p>If TiVo wants to survive, they need to either get their costs included WITH the cable bill (and buried) or give the boxes away for free and get the monthly costs embedded in the cable bill. They can't charge for the boxes AND have a monthly fee.  Writing a separate check every month to TiVo isn't good. Further, that bill is too high, $3 and people wouldn't care so much. $5 and we start avoiding, $10 and we don't want it unless we make over $150K/yr and it doesn't matter.  The masses earn $60k, know it, learn it, use it. Get the bill included in any other common utility bill - power, phone, cable, gas and get it bundled with those services and people are less likely to leave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
I own a TiVo-s2 , but only after trying to build one for myself .
I bought a lifetime subscription a few months later and it is still working .
That $ 300 + $ 300 = $ 600 has saved me countless hours in dealing with TV shows , commercials while still letting me watch most the stuff I want.I NEVER would have paid $ 600 for that , but since I was already in for $ 300 it made sense .
I did the math - in a little over 16 months , my lifetime was paid for .
My purchase was made in 2004 .
I 'm 3 yrs beyond and have reduced my monthly fee to $ 5/month .
I use my TiVo far more than any cell phone I 've ever owned and it does n't cost anywhere near the same amount .
Most people ca n't use just $ 600/yr in cell charges.The " free " DVRs included with cable or IP-TV are good enough .
TiVo is significantly better , but " free " goes a long way and effectively locks TiVo out of those homes.If TiVo wants to survive , they need to either get their costs included WITH the cable bill ( and buried ) or give the boxes away for free and get the monthly costs embedded in the cable bill .
They ca n't charge for the boxes AND have a monthly fee .
Writing a separate check every month to TiVo is n't good .
Further , that bill is too high , $ 3 and people would n't care so much .
$ 5 and we start avoiding , $ 10 and we do n't want it unless we make over $ 150K/yr and it does n't matter .
The masses earn $ 60k , know it , learn it , use it .
Get the bill included in any other common utility bill - power , phone , cable , gas and get it bundled with those services and people are less likely to leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
I own a TiVo-s2, but only after trying to build one for myself.
I bought a lifetime subscription a few months later and it is still working.
That $300+$300 = $600 has saved me countless hours in dealing with TV shows, commercials while still letting me watch most the stuff I want.I NEVER would have paid $600 for that, but since I was already in for $300 it made sense.
I did the math - in a little over 16 months, my lifetime was paid for.
My purchase was made in 2004.
I'm 3 yrs beyond and have reduced my monthly fee to $5/month.
I use my TiVo far more than any cell phone I've ever owned and it doesn't cost anywhere near the same amount.
Most people can't use just $600/yr in cell charges.The "free" DVRs included with cable or IP-TV are good enough.
TiVo is significantly better, but "free" goes a long way and effectively locks TiVo out of those homes.If TiVo wants to survive, they need to either get their costs included WITH the cable bill (and buried) or give the boxes away for free and get the monthly costs embedded in the cable bill.
They can't charge for the boxes AND have a monthly fee.
Writing a separate check every month to TiVo isn't good.
Further, that bill is too high, $3 and people wouldn't care so much.
$5 and we start avoiding, $10 and we don't want it unless we make over $150K/yr and it doesn't matter.
The masses earn $60k, know it, learn it, use it.
Get the bill included in any other common utility bill - power, phone, cable, gas and get it bundled with those services and people are less likely to leave.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286276</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>djrosen</author>
	<datestamp>1267205400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont see this whole monthly fee thing as an issue. DTV wanted to charge me $200 for their HD DVR PLUS (been a customer for over 10 years) another $10 per month for HD COntent PLUS I LEASE the receiver for another $5 PLUS $5 month 'warranty' or if it breaks, I buy a new one or go without. How is this any different thatn a Bring your own access Tivo?</p><p>Now, I talked them into giving me the DVR for nothing but I still pay $15 a month to use it. TiVo is less than that and you can get lifetime service and you can replace the HD when it dies with one off the shelf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont see this whole monthly fee thing as an issue .
DTV wanted to charge me $ 200 for their HD DVR PLUS ( been a customer for over 10 years ) another $ 10 per month for HD COntent PLUS I LEASE the receiver for another $ 5 PLUS $ 5 month 'warranty ' or if it breaks , I buy a new one or go without .
How is this any different thatn a Bring your own access Tivo ? Now , I talked them into giving me the DVR for nothing but I still pay $ 15 a month to use it .
TiVo is less than that and you can get lifetime service and you can replace the HD when it dies with one off the shelf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont see this whole monthly fee thing as an issue.
DTV wanted to charge me $200 for their HD DVR PLUS (been a customer for over 10 years) another $10 per month for HD COntent PLUS I LEASE the receiver for another $5 PLUS $5 month 'warranty' or if it breaks, I buy a new one or go without.
How is this any different thatn a Bring your own access Tivo?Now, I talked them into giving me the DVR for nothing but I still pay $15 a month to use it.
TiVo is less than that and you can get lifetime service and you can replace the HD when it dies with one off the shelf.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287822</id>
	<title>Some people don't understand value.</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1267210440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As in the value of a quality product.  When your Tivo is set up, it Just Fucking Works.  There's a lot of value in that.  I've had a Tivo since the first generation with lifetime service that cost me around $250.  I tried the cable company's box for a while before buying a new Tivo.  $800 for the Tivo and a transfer of my lifetime service agreement or $15/month for the rental.  You'd think the rental unit would be a no-brainer.  But it's not.  The cable company's box sucked ass.  It regularly lost all guide data so I'd turn on the TV to find out that it hadn't recorded anything in days.  It could hold a whopping 12 hours of HD content so 2 football games and a movie would max it out.  And it stuttered if I tried to record 2 HD programs while playing back another program.</p><p>So, yeah, I could get a rental from the cable company for $15/month but I'd do just as well to toss $15 in the trash every month for all of the value I got out of the deal.</p><p>I decided to update my Tivo solution at significant expense ($600 for the Tivo, $200 for the lifetime service transfer, $400 for a 1tb drive) and don't regret it for a second.  Because it Just Fucking Worked.  And still does, over 3 years later.  Heck, it works even better with the second 1tb drive added.  The fact that it would take 8 years to "break even" is irrelevant because it wouldn't be "even".  Comparing the cable company's DVR to an HD Tivo is like comparing a bicycle to a BMW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As in the value of a quality product .
When your Tivo is set up , it Just Fucking Works .
There 's a lot of value in that .
I 've had a Tivo since the first generation with lifetime service that cost me around $ 250 .
I tried the cable company 's box for a while before buying a new Tivo .
$ 800 for the Tivo and a transfer of my lifetime service agreement or $ 15/month for the rental .
You 'd think the rental unit would be a no-brainer .
But it 's not .
The cable company 's box sucked ass .
It regularly lost all guide data so I 'd turn on the TV to find out that it had n't recorded anything in days .
It could hold a whopping 12 hours of HD content so 2 football games and a movie would max it out .
And it stuttered if I tried to record 2 HD programs while playing back another program.So , yeah , I could get a rental from the cable company for $ 15/month but I 'd do just as well to toss $ 15 in the trash every month for all of the value I got out of the deal.I decided to update my Tivo solution at significant expense ( $ 600 for the Tivo , $ 200 for the lifetime service transfer , $ 400 for a 1tb drive ) and do n't regret it for a second .
Because it Just Fucking Worked .
And still does , over 3 years later .
Heck , it works even better with the second 1tb drive added .
The fact that it would take 8 years to " break even " is irrelevant because it would n't be " even " .
Comparing the cable company 's DVR to an HD Tivo is like comparing a bicycle to a BMW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As in the value of a quality product.
When your Tivo is set up, it Just Fucking Works.
There's a lot of value in that.
I've had a Tivo since the first generation with lifetime service that cost me around $250.
I tried the cable company's box for a while before buying a new Tivo.
$800 for the Tivo and a transfer of my lifetime service agreement or $15/month for the rental.
You'd think the rental unit would be a no-brainer.
But it's not.
The cable company's box sucked ass.
It regularly lost all guide data so I'd turn on the TV to find out that it hadn't recorded anything in days.
It could hold a whopping 12 hours of HD content so 2 football games and a movie would max it out.
And it stuttered if I tried to record 2 HD programs while playing back another program.So, yeah, I could get a rental from the cable company for $15/month but I'd do just as well to toss $15 in the trash every month for all of the value I got out of the deal.I decided to update my Tivo solution at significant expense ($600 for the Tivo, $200 for the lifetime service transfer, $400 for a 1tb drive) and don't regret it for a second.
Because it Just Fucking Worked.
And still does, over 3 years later.
Heck, it works even better with the second 1tb drive added.
The fact that it would take 8 years to "break even" is irrelevant because it wouldn't be "even".
Comparing the cable company's DVR to an HD Tivo is like comparing a bicycle to a BMW.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288838</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>severoon</author>
	<datestamp>1267213980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Don't pay the monthly rental. Get a TiVo with lifetime service. They provide a bunch of plans, but really there's only one decision to make:</p><ul> <li>I will pay the $12.95/month. I plan to waste money by throwing my TiVo away shortly after buying it.</li><li>I will keep my TiVo at least 31 months because I'm a sensible person, so I will buy the lifetime subscription ($399 / $12.95 = 30.8 months break-even)</li></ul><p>If you're not paying a monthly subscription for your ReplayTV, that means at some point in the past you've done the same...paid the lifetime subscription fee. Otherwise, it's $12.95/month for that too.
</p><p>I have to say that one of the best things about TiVo is that it now provides access to a lot of web shows. I probably watch as much web TV (a good part of which is Revision3) as normal TV. Ok, not with the Olympics...but normally.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental .
Do n't pay the monthly rental .
Get a TiVo with lifetime service .
They provide a bunch of plans , but really there 's only one decision to make : I will pay the $ 12.95/month .
I plan to waste money by throwing my TiVo away shortly after buying it.I will keep my TiVo at least 31 months because I 'm a sensible person , so I will buy the lifetime subscription ( $ 399 / $ 12.95 = 30.8 months break-even ) If you 're not paying a monthly subscription for your ReplayTV , that means at some point in the past you 've done the same...paid the lifetime subscription fee .
Otherwise , it 's $ 12.95/month for that too .
I have to say that one of the best things about TiVo is that it now provides access to a lot of web shows .
I probably watch as much web TV ( a good part of which is Revision3 ) as normal TV .
Ok , not with the Olympics...but normally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.
Don't pay the monthly rental.
Get a TiVo with lifetime service.
They provide a bunch of plans, but really there's only one decision to make: I will pay the $12.95/month.
I plan to waste money by throwing my TiVo away shortly after buying it.I will keep my TiVo at least 31 months because I'm a sensible person, so I will buy the lifetime subscription ($399 / $12.95 = 30.8 months break-even)If you're not paying a monthly subscription for your ReplayTV, that means at some point in the past you've done the same...paid the lifetime subscription fee.
Otherwise, it's $12.95/month for that too.
I have to say that one of the best things about TiVo is that it now provides access to a lot of web shows.
I probably watch as much web TV (a good part of which is Revision3) as normal TV.
Ok, not with the Olympics...but normally.

	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288656</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Ray</author>
	<datestamp>1267213200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I "time shifted" the audio portion of the Ed Sullivan show the night the Beatles first appeared by setting up my reel-to-reel with a microphone in front of the TV set speaker. Why do that? Well, being (a child of) a good Southern Baptist, I was at church at the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I " time shifted " the audio portion of the Ed Sullivan show the night the Beatles first appeared by setting up my reel-to-reel with a microphone in front of the TV set speaker .
Why do that ?
Well , being ( a child of ) a good Southern Baptist , I was at church at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I "time shifted" the audio portion of the Ed Sullivan show the night the Beatles first appeared by setting up my reel-to-reel with a microphone in front of the TV set speaker.
Why do that?
Well, being (a child of) a good Southern Baptist, I was at church at the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284940</id>
	<title>Re:Confessions of a former TIvo owner</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267199340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I should also note that the Tivo HD models all have a huge annoying downside that my cableco's native DVR doesn't, they can't upconvert existing SD chennels to an HD signal. Why is that important? Because every time I change channels between an SD channel and HD channel on a Tivo, my TV has to auto-adjust to the new signal (causing a serious delay and screen flickering). with my cableco's DVR, the TV thinks its always getting an HD signal, and so no such adjustments needed. This probably isn't as bad on some HDTV's, but on mine it makes channel surfing annoying as hell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should also note that the Tivo HD models all have a huge annoying downside that my cableco 's native DVR does n't , they ca n't upconvert existing SD chennels to an HD signal .
Why is that important ?
Because every time I change channels between an SD channel and HD channel on a Tivo , my TV has to auto-adjust to the new signal ( causing a serious delay and screen flickering ) .
with my cableco 's DVR , the TV thinks its always getting an HD signal , and so no such adjustments needed .
This probably is n't as bad on some HDTV 's , but on mine it makes channel surfing annoying as hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should also note that the Tivo HD models all have a huge annoying downside that my cableco's native DVR doesn't, they can't upconvert existing SD chennels to an HD signal.
Why is that important?
Because every time I change channels between an SD channel and HD channel on a Tivo, my TV has to auto-adjust to the new signal (causing a serious delay and screen flickering).
with my cableco's DVR, the TV thinks its always getting an HD signal, and so no such adjustments needed.
This probably isn't as bad on some HDTV's, but on mine it makes channel surfing annoying as hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284514</id>
	<title>Re:Because it doesn't make sense.</title>
	<author>BVis</author>
	<datestamp>1267197000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes sense to the consumer.  It doesn't make sense to the advertiser, who will see their spots stripped out in "edited" versions that will make their appearance on bittorrent about half an hour after the content is made available.</p><p>Unfortunately, television is mostly still paid for with advertising.  Thank FSM for the 30 second skip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes sense to the consumer .
It does n't make sense to the advertiser , who will see their spots stripped out in " edited " versions that will make their appearance on bittorrent about half an hour after the content is made available.Unfortunately , television is mostly still paid for with advertising .
Thank FSM for the 30 second skip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes sense to the consumer.
It doesn't make sense to the advertiser, who will see their spots stripped out in "edited" versions that will make their appearance on bittorrent about half an hour after the content is made available.Unfortunately, television is mostly still paid for with advertising.
Thank FSM for the 30 second skip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284256</id>
	<title>Because it doesn't make sense.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267195620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Massively broadcasting a show to everyone at a specific time and having a large number of them set up a machine to record that show to watch later is dumb. Hosting the same show on a server and having everyone download it (or stream it) and watch it whenever they feel like makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Massively broadcasting a show to everyone at a specific time and having a large number of them set up a machine to record that show to watch later is dumb .
Hosting the same show on a server and having everyone download it ( or stream it ) and watch it whenever they feel like makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Massively broadcasting a show to everyone at a specific time and having a large number of them set up a machine to record that show to watch later is dumb.
Hosting the same show on a server and having everyone download it (or stream it) and watch it whenever they feel like makes sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284676</id>
	<title>Confessions of a former TIvo owner</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1267197900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to have a Tivo. I had two in fact, including my personal favorite DVR of all-time, the Humax Tivo (to my knowledge, the only stand-alone DVR to date that allows you to burn your recordings to DVD). Tivo had great features, one-of-a-kind abilities (like the aforementioned burning to DVD option), and the best user interface in the DVR business. There were some downsides (a lousy 30 minute recording queue, sluggish menu performance on some of the models, etc.). But for the most part it was *the* superior DVR.</p><p>So why did I give it up? Two reasons: digital cable and HD. Tivo lagged way behind my cableco's native DVR on implementing both. Cablecards took a while to come out, and were buggy and a pain in the ass to install. Their HD models were expensive and, again, lagged behind my cableco. And when my cableco went to Switched Digital Video (SDV) even the cablecard stopped working for many of the newer HD channels. It just got tiring having to constantly wrestle with my cableco over my rogue DVR. It was a lot easier for me to just pay the $9 a month and get the cableco's native DVR (which is actually pretty good, though certainly no Tivo). That's probably what the cableco intended all along, I'm sure--but I'm not going to spend a fortune and put up with missing channels just to tell them to go to hell.</p><p>Tivo's collapse as DVR leader can basically be traced to one thing: their failure to license their technology to or reach an agreement with the cable companies. Without the official support of the Time-Warners and Comcasts of the world, they've essentially condemned themselves to forever being the outsider in the digital TV world. So they will always lag behind with kludgy solutions like buggy cablecards and hit-or-miss SDV adapters (don't get me started on those things). And, even for a pretty dedicated videophile and TV addict like myself, the native cableco DVR is just too tempting an alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to have a Tivo .
I had two in fact , including my personal favorite DVR of all-time , the Humax Tivo ( to my knowledge , the only stand-alone DVR to date that allows you to burn your recordings to DVD ) .
Tivo had great features , one-of-a-kind abilities ( like the aforementioned burning to DVD option ) , and the best user interface in the DVR business .
There were some downsides ( a lousy 30 minute recording queue , sluggish menu performance on some of the models , etc. ) .
But for the most part it was * the * superior DVR.So why did I give it up ?
Two reasons : digital cable and HD .
Tivo lagged way behind my cableco 's native DVR on implementing both .
Cablecards took a while to come out , and were buggy and a pain in the ass to install .
Their HD models were expensive and , again , lagged behind my cableco .
And when my cableco went to Switched Digital Video ( SDV ) even the cablecard stopped working for many of the newer HD channels .
It just got tiring having to constantly wrestle with my cableco over my rogue DVR .
It was a lot easier for me to just pay the $ 9 a month and get the cableco 's native DVR ( which is actually pretty good , though certainly no Tivo ) .
That 's probably what the cableco intended all along , I 'm sure--but I 'm not going to spend a fortune and put up with missing channels just to tell them to go to hell.Tivo 's collapse as DVR leader can basically be traced to one thing : their failure to license their technology to or reach an agreement with the cable companies .
Without the official support of the Time-Warners and Comcasts of the world , they 've essentially condemned themselves to forever being the outsider in the digital TV world .
So they will always lag behind with kludgy solutions like buggy cablecards and hit-or-miss SDV adapters ( do n't get me started on those things ) .
And , even for a pretty dedicated videophile and TV addict like myself , the native cableco DVR is just too tempting an alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to have a Tivo.
I had two in fact, including my personal favorite DVR of all-time, the Humax Tivo (to my knowledge, the only stand-alone DVR to date that allows you to burn your recordings to DVD).
Tivo had great features, one-of-a-kind abilities (like the aforementioned burning to DVD option), and the best user interface in the DVR business.
There were some downsides (a lousy 30 minute recording queue, sluggish menu performance on some of the models, etc.).
But for the most part it was *the* superior DVR.So why did I give it up?
Two reasons: digital cable and HD.
Tivo lagged way behind my cableco's native DVR on implementing both.
Cablecards took a while to come out, and were buggy and a pain in the ass to install.
Their HD models were expensive and, again, lagged behind my cableco.
And when my cableco went to Switched Digital Video (SDV) even the cablecard stopped working for many of the newer HD channels.
It just got tiring having to constantly wrestle with my cableco over my rogue DVR.
It was a lot easier for me to just pay the $9 a month and get the cableco's native DVR (which is actually pretty good, though certainly no Tivo).
That's probably what the cableco intended all along, I'm sure--but I'm not going to spend a fortune and put up with missing channels just to tell them to go to hell.Tivo's collapse as DVR leader can basically be traced to one thing: their failure to license their technology to or reach an agreement with the cable companies.
Without the official support of the Time-Warners and Comcasts of the world, they've essentially condemned themselves to forever being the outsider in the digital TV world.
So they will always lag behind with kludgy solutions like buggy cablecards and hit-or-miss SDV adapters (don't get me started on those things).
And, even for a pretty dedicated videophile and TV addict like myself, the native cableco DVR is just too tempting an alternative.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31289148</id>
	<title>Tivo fails because of its business model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267215000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tivo's complete lack of success in terms of user adoption is simple.  Users hate subscription services to a device they don't own.  There are little to no barriers to build and ship DVRs and the DirectTV/Comcasts of the world already grab the audience with their implementation.</p><p>Tivo's crappy user interface, lack of user requested features (commercial skip) have made Tivo a has been.  I'm dumping my TivoXL ASAP because its not a good UI.  I paid for a lifetime service and the Tivo still shows me ads in the main UI (this pisses me off).  Tivo just SUCKS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tivo 's complete lack of success in terms of user adoption is simple .
Users hate subscription services to a device they do n't own .
There are little to no barriers to build and ship DVRs and the DirectTV/Comcasts of the world already grab the audience with their implementation.Tivo 's crappy user interface , lack of user requested features ( commercial skip ) have made Tivo a has been .
I 'm dumping my TivoXL ASAP because its not a good UI .
I paid for a lifetime service and the Tivo still shows me ads in the main UI ( this pisses me off ) .
Tivo just SUCKS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tivo's complete lack of success in terms of user adoption is simple.
Users hate subscription services to a device they don't own.
There are little to no barriers to build and ship DVRs and the DirectTV/Comcasts of the world already grab the audience with their implementation.Tivo's crappy user interface, lack of user requested features (commercial skip) have made Tivo a has been.
I'm dumping my TivoXL ASAP because its not a good UI.
I paid for a lifetime service and the Tivo still shows me ads in the main UI (this pisses me off).
Tivo just SUCKS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284160</id>
	<title>DirecTV and TiVo</title>
	<author>Matt\_Bennett</author>
	<datestamp>1267195080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TiVo *MUST* get back with DirecTV ASAP.  TFA mentions it, but the reunion of DirecTV and TiVo (with HD) is what I'm waiting for, and why I've stayed with DirecTV without even considering other services.  I've tried other DVRs, and compared to TiVo, they uniformly suck. Couple TiVo with the direct recording of the digital stream... and you've got nearly the perfect combination in terms of user interface and picture quality.  I was going to stick with my old tube TV and Standard Def DirecTiVo, but a lightning hit took 'em out.  Went to the DirecTV HD DVR... slow, featureless, small capacity, and leased. I don't want a separate box, as ultimately that solution is a kludge and would bring forth other issues (not counting the picture degradation by the multiple encoding/decoding).
<p>
They are already at least 6 months past the first promised date for the HD DirecTiVo.  Don't know what is holding it up, but both DirecTV and TiVo should have this as a corporate priority.  If Dish switched to TiVo, I'd switch in an instant, even with the termination fees I'd suffer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo * MUST * get back with DirecTV ASAP .
TFA mentions it , but the reunion of DirecTV and TiVo ( with HD ) is what I 'm waiting for , and why I 've stayed with DirecTV without even considering other services .
I 've tried other DVRs , and compared to TiVo , they uniformly suck .
Couple TiVo with the direct recording of the digital stream... and you 've got nearly the perfect combination in terms of user interface and picture quality .
I was going to stick with my old tube TV and Standard Def DirecTiVo , but a lightning hit took 'em out .
Went to the DirecTV HD DVR... slow , featureless , small capacity , and leased .
I do n't want a separate box , as ultimately that solution is a kludge and would bring forth other issues ( not counting the picture degradation by the multiple encoding/decoding ) .
They are already at least 6 months past the first promised date for the HD DirecTiVo .
Do n't know what is holding it up , but both DirecTV and TiVo should have this as a corporate priority .
If Dish switched to TiVo , I 'd switch in an instant , even with the termination fees I 'd suffer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo *MUST* get back with DirecTV ASAP.
TFA mentions it, but the reunion of DirecTV and TiVo (with HD) is what I'm waiting for, and why I've stayed with DirecTV without even considering other services.
I've tried other DVRs, and compared to TiVo, they uniformly suck.
Couple TiVo with the direct recording of the digital stream... and you've got nearly the perfect combination in terms of user interface and picture quality.
I was going to stick with my old tube TV and Standard Def DirecTiVo, but a lightning hit took 'em out.
Went to the DirecTV HD DVR... slow, featureless, small capacity, and leased.
I don't want a separate box, as ultimately that solution is a kludge and would bring forth other issues (not counting the picture degradation by the multiple encoding/decoding).
They are already at least 6 months past the first promised date for the HD DirecTiVo.
Don't know what is holding it up, but both DirecTV and TiVo should have this as a corporate priority.
If Dish switched to TiVo, I'd switch in an instant, even with the termination fees I'd suffer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285500</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1267202280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling. View and Chronicle are separate timelines. This is impossible with a VCR.</i></p><p>My VCR has a "TV/VCR" button that allows exactly that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling .
View and Chronicle are separate timelines .
This is impossible with a VCR.My VCR has a " TV/VCR " button that allows exactly that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A timeshifter allows you to view a stream of data at a point in time other than what it is also simultaneously chronicling.
View and Chronicle are separate timelines.
This is impossible with a VCR.My VCR has a "TV/VCR" button that allows exactly that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284342</id>
	<title>Re:Monthly Fee</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267196160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I never bought one because of the monthly fee. I would buy one immediately if there was no monthly fee.</p> </div><p>My thoughts exactly. I kept waiting for someone to sell a DVR that I could hook up to my cable and record what and when I decided to record without having to pay a monthly fee for it to record things according to when they are scheduled. That's all I want, a DVR that works the way that VCRs work. I tell it what channel and what time to record and it does so. I can understand that there is a market for the service, I'm not it. I suspect that there are a lot of people like me, if they could just buy a DVR that works like a VCR they would. Yes, DVR's with service are growing steadily, but that is largely because that is the only way I know of to buy one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never bought one because of the monthly fee .
I would buy one immediately if there was no monthly fee .
My thoughts exactly .
I kept waiting for someone to sell a DVR that I could hook up to my cable and record what and when I decided to record without having to pay a monthly fee for it to record things according to when they are scheduled .
That 's all I want , a DVR that works the way that VCRs work .
I tell it what channel and what time to record and it does so .
I can understand that there is a market for the service , I 'm not it .
I suspect that there are a lot of people like me , if they could just buy a DVR that works like a VCR they would .
Yes , DVR 's with service are growing steadily , but that is largely because that is the only way I know of to buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never bought one because of the monthly fee.
I would buy one immediately if there was no monthly fee.
My thoughts exactly.
I kept waiting for someone to sell a DVR that I could hook up to my cable and record what and when I decided to record without having to pay a monthly fee for it to record things according to when they are scheduled.
That's all I want, a DVR that works the way that VCRs work.
I tell it what channel and what time to record and it does so.
I can understand that there is a market for the service, I'm not it.
I suspect that there are a lot of people like me, if they could just buy a DVR that works like a VCR they would.
Yes, DVR's with service are growing steadily, but that is largely because that is the only way I know of to buy one.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284112</id>
	<title>No TV</title>
	<author>etherDave</author>
	<datestamp>1267194840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe it's just me, but I don't pay for cable TV if I can avoid it; I don't even have an antenna to pick up broadcast.  I just pay for broadband internet and watch my favorite shows/movies online via Netflix, Hulu, etc.
So maybe TiVo hasn't done well because it appeals to consumers who consume a large amount of media and prefer to do it via cable tv, but many consumers have come to prefer the versatility of the internet (where something like TiVo is unnecessary ).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's just me , but I do n't pay for cable TV if I can avoid it ; I do n't even have an antenna to pick up broadcast .
I just pay for broadband internet and watch my favorite shows/movies online via Netflix , Hulu , etc .
So maybe TiVo has n't done well because it appeals to consumers who consume a large amount of media and prefer to do it via cable tv , but many consumers have come to prefer the versatility of the internet ( where something like TiVo is unnecessary ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's just me, but I don't pay for cable TV if I can avoid it; I don't even have an antenna to pick up broadcast.
I just pay for broadband internet and watch my favorite shows/movies online via Netflix, Hulu, etc.
So maybe TiVo hasn't done well because it appeals to consumers who consume a large amount of media and prefer to do it via cable tv, but many consumers have come to prefer the versatility of the internet (where something like TiVo is unnecessary ).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288776</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>LBt1st</author>
	<datestamp>1267213740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure my old TV capture card with DVR predated the Tivo. I could be wrong but I am skeptical that Tivo was first. Maybe the first console unit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure my old TV capture card with DVR predated the Tivo .
I could be wrong but I am skeptical that Tivo was first .
Maybe the first console unit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure my old TV capture card with DVR predated the Tivo.
I could be wrong but I am skeptical that Tivo was first.
Maybe the first console unit?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285420</id>
	<title>Apple TV should be TiVo</title>
	<author>808Lupine</author>
	<datestamp>1267201920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always thought Apple should buy TiVo's patents and tech and rebrand the failed AppleTV. Apple has the cash, marketing position, and design gurus to make an amazingly elegant, easy to use device integrated with beautiful TVs and screens, with all the backend apps to add value (iTunes integration, iMovie, etc.), and TiVo has the all the original patents that Apple could afford to defend. And Apple could turn into the big bullies themselves against the cable companies, especially if they can lobby for net neutrality legislation.</p><p>Seems like a perfect marriage to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought Apple should buy TiVo 's patents and tech and rebrand the failed AppleTV .
Apple has the cash , marketing position , and design gurus to make an amazingly elegant , easy to use device integrated with beautiful TVs and screens , with all the backend apps to add value ( iTunes integration , iMovie , etc .
) , and TiVo has the all the original patents that Apple could afford to defend .
And Apple could turn into the big bullies themselves against the cable companies , especially if they can lobby for net neutrality legislation.Seems like a perfect marriage to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought Apple should buy TiVo's patents and tech and rebrand the failed AppleTV.
Apple has the cash, marketing position, and design gurus to make an amazingly elegant, easy to use device integrated with beautiful TVs and screens, with all the backend apps to add value (iTunes integration, iMovie, etc.
), and TiVo has the all the original patents that Apple could afford to defend.
And Apple could turn into the big bullies themselves against the cable companies, especially if they can lobby for net neutrality legislation.Seems like a perfect marriage to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31301824</id>
	<title>Re:Go around the incumbents...</title>
	<author>danielsfca2</author>
	<datestamp>1267285440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One other problem besides net neutrality is we're letting cable companies buy TV networks now. NBC is about to be owned by Comcast, and it's not the first and won't be the last. <strong>And regulators see nothing anticompetitive about this.</strong> It's sickening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One other problem besides net neutrality is we 're letting cable companies buy TV networks now .
NBC is about to be owned by Comcast , and it 's not the first and wo n't be the last .
And regulators see nothing anticompetitive about this .
It 's sickening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One other problem besides net neutrality is we're letting cable companies buy TV networks now.
NBC is about to be owned by Comcast, and it's not the first and won't be the last.
And regulators see nothing anticompetitive about this.
It's sickening.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31286142</id>
	<title>Go around the incumbents...</title>
	<author>ender-</author>
	<datestamp>1267205040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that Tivo's best chances are to go around the incumbent Cable infrastructure completely. For the past half-decade the Cable and Dish companies [and the FCC] have dragged their feet and put obstacle after obstacle in Tivo's path. Scrambled digital channels, terrible Cable Card specs, SDV etc.</p><p>I think it's time that Tivo becomes its own Cable company. Except instead of laying tons of physical cable, and making deals with municipalities for local monopolies, Tivo can provide an internet-based TV subscription service. A Tivo IPTV service could be successful I think, if done properly.</p><p>Why can't Tivo contract with the TV channels to stream TV signals over the internet with a new Tivo product as the head-end. They'd obviously have to  scramble the signals so that only boxes with a valid subscription can view, but a Tivo would make a perfect IPTV head-end box.</p><p>They could probably even make arrangements with Google to use their dark fiber for a back-end.</p><p>That way, customers can use any Broadband provider they wish, and then subscribe to the TivoTV service. I guess they'd have to have minimum throughput requirements, but I suspect my 15mbit broadband connection could handle an HD channel or two with modern compression technologies. Over time, compression will get better, and this might also be a good push for ISPs to increase available bandwidth to end-users.</p><p>Of course if we lose the fight for network neutrality it could be problematic as the cable companies can start throttling 3rd-party IPTV traffic.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>But for me, I'd be willing to buy a "TivoTV" box, and pay a reasonable subscription fee for TV/DVR service, even if my internet connection could only handle say 1HD stream plus 2 or 3SD streams. Perhaps even having a central "TivoTV" box with the storage and main processing, plus smaller, cheaper extension boxes for the bedrooms that pull video off the main box. AT&amp;T is basically doing it with Uverse. Why can't Tivo do something similar just without the lock-in of requiring you use the same company for connectivity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that Tivo 's best chances are to go around the incumbent Cable infrastructure completely .
For the past half-decade the Cable and Dish companies [ and the FCC ] have dragged their feet and put obstacle after obstacle in Tivo 's path .
Scrambled digital channels , terrible Cable Card specs , SDV etc.I think it 's time that Tivo becomes its own Cable company .
Except instead of laying tons of physical cable , and making deals with municipalities for local monopolies , Tivo can provide an internet-based TV subscription service .
A Tivo IPTV service could be successful I think , if done properly.Why ca n't Tivo contract with the TV channels to stream TV signals over the internet with a new Tivo product as the head-end .
They 'd obviously have to scramble the signals so that only boxes with a valid subscription can view , but a Tivo would make a perfect IPTV head-end box.They could probably even make arrangements with Google to use their dark fiber for a back-end.That way , customers can use any Broadband provider they wish , and then subscribe to the TivoTV service .
I guess they 'd have to have minimum throughput requirements , but I suspect my 15mbit broadband connection could handle an HD channel or two with modern compression technologies .
Over time , compression will get better , and this might also be a good push for ISPs to increase available bandwidth to end-users.Of course if we lose the fight for network neutrality it could be problematic as the cable companies can start throttling 3rd-party IPTV traffic .
: ( But for me , I 'd be willing to buy a " TivoTV " box , and pay a reasonable subscription fee for TV/DVR service , even if my internet connection could only handle say 1HD stream plus 2 or 3SD streams .
Perhaps even having a central " TivoTV " box with the storage and main processing , plus smaller , cheaper extension boxes for the bedrooms that pull video off the main box .
AT&amp;T is basically doing it with Uverse .
Why ca n't Tivo do something similar just without the lock-in of requiring you use the same company for connectivity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that Tivo's best chances are to go around the incumbent Cable infrastructure completely.
For the past half-decade the Cable and Dish companies [and the FCC] have dragged their feet and put obstacle after obstacle in Tivo's path.
Scrambled digital channels, terrible Cable Card specs, SDV etc.I think it's time that Tivo becomes its own Cable company.
Except instead of laying tons of physical cable, and making deals with municipalities for local monopolies, Tivo can provide an internet-based TV subscription service.
A Tivo IPTV service could be successful I think, if done properly.Why can't Tivo contract with the TV channels to stream TV signals over the internet with a new Tivo product as the head-end.
They'd obviously have to  scramble the signals so that only boxes with a valid subscription can view, but a Tivo would make a perfect IPTV head-end box.They could probably even make arrangements with Google to use their dark fiber for a back-end.That way, customers can use any Broadband provider they wish, and then subscribe to the TivoTV service.
I guess they'd have to have minimum throughput requirements, but I suspect my 15mbit broadband connection could handle an HD channel or two with modern compression technologies.
Over time, compression will get better, and this might also be a good push for ISPs to increase available bandwidth to end-users.Of course if we lose the fight for network neutrality it could be problematic as the cable companies can start throttling 3rd-party IPTV traffic.
:(But for me, I'd be willing to buy a "TivoTV" box, and pay a reasonable subscription fee for TV/DVR service, even if my internet connection could only handle say 1HD stream plus 2 or 3SD streams.
Perhaps even having a central "TivoTV" box with the storage and main processing, plus smaller, cheaper extension boxes for the bedrooms that pull video off the main box.
AT&amp;T is basically doing it with Uverse.
Why can't Tivo do something similar just without the lock-in of requiring you use the same company for connectivity?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285118</id>
	<title>Maybe Tivo's problem is a low perceived value...</title>
	<author>anegg</author>
	<datestamp>1267200360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Perhaps Tivo is just suffering the effects of a limited market, not any of the other external factors mentioned.  I know that I don't have a Tivo because I figure that if I don't have time to watch something when its actually being broadcast, I won't have time to watch it later.
</p><p>Now, since I also believe that the future of A/V media is all on-demand streaming/downloading, people who know me might think that I haven't thought things through.  And maybe I haven't.  When everything is on-demand, there won't be any "broadcast schedule."  Which would be pretty cool; I could just watch things when I want, without having to a) buy a Tivo, then b) pay for the TV Guide subscription, then c) configure it.   But would I actually watch *anything* then?  Probably not.  Because if its available that freely, and I don't have to do *anything* (not even schedule my own time) to view it, then I probably won't value it very much.  And why waste me time watching something I don't value.
</p><p>So maybe everything won't go to "on-demand."  Because if they did, and we all lost the shared experience of viewing a broadcast at the same time, perhaps we would all watch a lot less media.  And then how would advertisers convince us to spend our money buying their stuff?
</p><p>So maybe the difficulty that Tivo is having is just the early signs of the low value people place on watching media for which there is virtually no cost to them, and no value either.  Hmmm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps Tivo is just suffering the effects of a limited market , not any of the other external factors mentioned .
I know that I do n't have a Tivo because I figure that if I do n't have time to watch something when its actually being broadcast , I wo n't have time to watch it later .
Now , since I also believe that the future of A/V media is all on-demand streaming/downloading , people who know me might think that I have n't thought things through .
And maybe I have n't .
When everything is on-demand , there wo n't be any " broadcast schedule .
" Which would be pretty cool ; I could just watch things when I want , without having to a ) buy a Tivo , then b ) pay for the TV Guide subscription , then c ) configure it .
But would I actually watch * anything * then ?
Probably not .
Because if its available that freely , and I do n't have to do * anything * ( not even schedule my own time ) to view it , then I probably wo n't value it very much .
And why waste me time watching something I do n't value .
So maybe everything wo n't go to " on-demand .
" Because if they did , and we all lost the shared experience of viewing a broadcast at the same time , perhaps we would all watch a lot less media .
And then how would advertisers convince us to spend our money buying their stuff ?
So maybe the difficulty that Tivo is having is just the early signs of the low value people place on watching media for which there is virtually no cost to them , and no value either .
Hmmm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps Tivo is just suffering the effects of a limited market, not any of the other external factors mentioned.
I know that I don't have a Tivo because I figure that if I don't have time to watch something when its actually being broadcast, I won't have time to watch it later.
Now, since I also believe that the future of A/V media is all on-demand streaming/downloading, people who know me might think that I haven't thought things through.
And maybe I haven't.
When everything is on-demand, there won't be any "broadcast schedule.
"  Which would be pretty cool; I could just watch things when I want, without having to a) buy a Tivo, then b) pay for the TV Guide subscription, then c) configure it.
But would I actually watch *anything* then?
Probably not.
Because if its available that freely, and I don't have to do *anything* (not even schedule my own time) to view it, then I probably won't value it very much.
And why waste me time watching something I don't value.
So maybe everything won't go to "on-demand.
"  Because if they did, and we all lost the shared experience of viewing a broadcast at the same time, perhaps we would all watch a lot less media.
And then how would advertisers convince us to spend our money buying their stuff?
So maybe the difficulty that Tivo is having is just the early signs of the low value people place on watching media for which there is virtually no cost to them, and no value either.
Hmmm.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31293026</id>
	<title>Eye Witness Update</title>
	<author>Spykk</author>
	<datestamp>1267192020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company.</p></div><p>
In other news, apples are selling twice as fast as oranges. More on this pointless comparison at 11:00.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company .
In other news , apples are selling twice as fast as oranges .
More on this pointless comparison at 11 : 00 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Apple sells more iPod and iPhone products in a single quarter than TiVo has sold in the entire lifetime of the company.
In other news, apples are selling twice as fast as oranges.
More on this pointless comparison at 11:00.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287530</id>
	<title>To divver</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1267209540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But "to TiVo" is seemingly losing favor. And people are actually starting to use the generic "to DVR". If you Google for these terms and look at the number of pages matched, you'll see. "I DVR'ed Heroes," just doesn't sound right - it's that extra syllable.</p></div><p>"I divvered Heroes" has an extra syllable?</p><p>Maybe compared to "I taped Heroes" which many people still use when there is no spool of tape involved. Some will say "recorded". But even more still "rewind" when, again, there's no spool of tape being wound.</p><blockquote><div><p>"He said his name was Abbut."<br>"Funny little guy with a big hat, drinks Jovian Sunspots? He's a Vicar."<br>"It's a slang term from old Earth tech, a VCR. They're cyber-organics, living recorders: part machine, part sentient."<br>"They can record just about anything: sights, sounds, biorhythms, thought patterns."</p></div></blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>But " to TiVo " is seemingly losing favor .
And people are actually starting to use the generic " to DVR " .
If you Google for these terms and look at the number of pages matched , you 'll see .
" I DVR'ed Heroes , " just does n't sound right - it 's that extra syllable .
" I divvered Heroes " has an extra syllable ? Maybe compared to " I taped Heroes " which many people still use when there is no spool of tape involved .
Some will say " recorded " .
But even more still " rewind " when , again , there 's no spool of tape being wound .
" He said his name was Abbut .
" " Funny little guy with a big hat , drinks Jovian Sunspots ?
He 's a Vicar .
" " It 's a slang term from old Earth tech , a VCR .
They 're cyber-organics , living recorders : part machine , part sentient .
" " They can record just about anything : sights , sounds , biorhythms , thought patterns .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But "to TiVo" is seemingly losing favor.
And people are actually starting to use the generic "to DVR".
If you Google for these terms and look at the number of pages matched, you'll see.
"I DVR'ed Heroes," just doesn't sound right - it's that extra syllable.
"I divvered Heroes" has an extra syllable?Maybe compared to "I taped Heroes" which many people still use when there is no spool of tape involved.
Some will say "recorded".
But even more still "rewind" when, again, there's no spool of tape being wound.
"He said his name was Abbut.
""Funny little guy with a big hat, drinks Jovian Sunspots?
He's a Vicar.
""It's a slang term from old Earth tech, a VCR.
They're cyber-organics, living recorders: part machine, part sentient.
""They can record just about anything: sights, sounds, biorhythms, thought patterns.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284754</id>
	<title>Re:Apples and Oranges</title>
	<author>ubrgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1267198260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>And cable company STB's are the key reason. Anyone who's used a Tivo knows the UI/functionality of the STB is generally crap. But it's good enough for most users who have never seen a Tivo. They want to watch shows later, the cable company commercials say their product will do that, end of story. <br> <br>The other reason is the (to date) general requirement for you to use a cable card, or in some cases two cable cards, and the more expensive of the Tivo units to avoid using the STB. Again, the average user doesn't know what a cable card is, and the company's Websites generally make them sound like it's easier to .</htmltext>
<tokenext>And cable company STB 's are the key reason .
Anyone who 's used a Tivo knows the UI/functionality of the STB is generally crap .
But it 's good enough for most users who have never seen a Tivo .
They want to watch shows later , the cable company commercials say their product will do that , end of story .
The other reason is the ( to date ) general requirement for you to use a cable card , or in some cases two cable cards , and the more expensive of the Tivo units to avoid using the STB .
Again , the average user does n't know what a cable card is , and the company 's Websites generally make them sound like it 's easier to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And cable company STB's are the key reason.
Anyone who's used a Tivo knows the UI/functionality of the STB is generally crap.
But it's good enough for most users who have never seen a Tivo.
They want to watch shows later, the cable company commercials say their product will do that, end of story.
The other reason is the (to date) general requirement for you to use a cable card, or in some cases two cable cards, and the more expensive of the Tivo units to avoid using the STB.
Again, the average user doesn't know what a cable card is, and the company's Websites generally make them sound like it's easier to .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285000</id>
	<title>I love my TIVO, but company has problems...</title>
	<author>corecaptain</author>
	<datestamp>1267199760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I currently have 2 Tivos - 1 of them HD - and a cable co dvr.  The interface is the best and Tivo just works.  The cable company's dvr can't touch it.<br>One small example.  Say you turn on the TV and see a show that has been on for 10 minutes - and you decide to record it.  Well Tivo has been buffering the<br>show since it began - so when you hit record you don't miss the first 10 minutes.  On the cable co's dvr it just starts recording from when you hit record -<br>you don't get the first 10 minutes.  There are many other examples like this that when all added up make the Tivo worth *some* premium.  And here's where tivo<br>gets in trouble.  Their pricing scheme, upgrade scheme is one big mess.  Do you wonder why, if I love Tivo so much I still have a cable co dvr?  Its because Tivo wanted<br>too much money from me to convert from Series 2 to Tivo HD.  So now I have both in my home - Tivo and Cable dvr.  Cable dvr is not as user friendly.  But my wife and I<br>are slowing learning its quirks.  Every month I see the Tivo bill I think about disconnecting to save money.  Every month I learn to live with the Cable co dvr a bit more.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I currently have 2 Tivos - 1 of them HD - and a cable co dvr .
The interface is the best and Tivo just works .
The cable company 's dvr ca n't touch it.One small example .
Say you turn on the TV and see a show that has been on for 10 minutes - and you decide to record it .
Well Tivo has been buffering theshow since it began - so when you hit record you do n't miss the first 10 minutes .
On the cable co 's dvr it just starts recording from when you hit record -you do n't get the first 10 minutes .
There are many other examples like this that when all added up make the Tivo worth * some * premium .
And here 's where tivogets in trouble .
Their pricing scheme , upgrade scheme is one big mess .
Do you wonder why , if I love Tivo so much I still have a cable co dvr ?
Its because Tivo wantedtoo much money from me to convert from Series 2 to Tivo HD .
So now I have both in my home - Tivo and Cable dvr .
Cable dvr is not as user friendly .
But my wife and Iare slowing learning its quirks .
Every month I see the Tivo bill I think about disconnecting to save money .
Every month I learn to live with the Cable co dvr a bit more.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I currently have 2 Tivos - 1 of them HD - and a cable co dvr.
The interface is the best and Tivo just works.
The cable company's dvr can't touch it.One small example.
Say you turn on the TV and see a show that has been on for 10 minutes - and you decide to record it.
Well Tivo has been buffering theshow since it began - so when you hit record you don't miss the first 10 minutes.
On the cable co's dvr it just starts recording from when you hit record -you don't get the first 10 minutes.
There are many other examples like this that when all added up make the Tivo worth *some* premium.
And here's where tivogets in trouble.
Their pricing scheme, upgrade scheme is one big mess.
Do you wonder why, if I love Tivo so much I still have a cable co dvr?
Its because Tivo wantedtoo much money from me to convert from Series 2 to Tivo HD.
So now I have both in my home - Tivo and Cable dvr.
Cable dvr is not as user friendly.
But my wife and Iare slowing learning its quirks.
Every month I see the Tivo bill I think about disconnecting to save money.
Every month I learn to live with the Cable co dvr a bit more.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284044</id>
	<title>We stopped using TiVo</title>
	<author>TimeElf1</author>
	<datestamp>1267194360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We stopped using TiVo because we got rid of our land line. No land line no TiVo, at least that how it was four years ago. Perhaps they have made it into the digital age since then. I do miss TiVo just recording things you might find interesting though I wish my cable provider had something like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We stopped using TiVo because we got rid of our land line .
No land line no TiVo , at least that how it was four years ago .
Perhaps they have made it into the digital age since then .
I do miss TiVo just recording things you might find interesting though I wish my cable provider had something like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We stopped using TiVo because we got rid of our land line.
No land line no TiVo, at least that how it was four years ago.
Perhaps they have made it into the digital age since then.
I do miss TiVo just recording things you might find interesting though I wish my cable provider had something like that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284822</id>
	<title>Maybe, you answered your own question</title>
	<author>BlueTrin</author>
	<datestamp>1267198740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>gjt writes<p><div class="quote"><p>For the couch-potato geek, one name typically comes to mind: TiVo.</p></div><p>
To become a success for the masses, a product has to appeal to the masses. The reason the iPod and iPhone were successful was not that they were the first or the most powerful phones, but because they were well marketed and are usable and appeal to your average non-geek.
<br> <br>
The corporate history is full of the graves of the people who did not understand this. One example which comes to my mind is home automation, ten/twenty years ago people were hyped about this and promised that your home would be fully automated by AI and computers. Now we are in 2010 and your average home only has the basics of home automation, just because it is fairly expensive and does not appeal to the masses (I do not wake up in the morning and wonder how cool it would be to pay 20k to have my heating fulling automated). It may come in the future but when it will come, it will have been re-thought to appeal to a viable customer base (like Apple with the iPod has beaten the crap out of the Archos and other MP3 players).
<br> <br>
Now you may argue that Archos was there before Apple, but the fact is that Apple understood how to market their iPod.</p></div>
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<tokenext>gjt writesFor the couch-potato geek , one name typically comes to mind : TiVo .
To become a success for the masses , a product has to appeal to the masses .
The reason the iPod and iPhone were successful was not that they were the first or the most powerful phones , but because they were well marketed and are usable and appeal to your average non-geek .
The corporate history is full of the graves of the people who did not understand this .
One example which comes to my mind is home automation , ten/twenty years ago people were hyped about this and promised that your home would be fully automated by AI and computers .
Now we are in 2010 and your average home only has the basics of home automation , just because it is fairly expensive and does not appeal to the masses ( I do not wake up in the morning and wonder how cool it would be to pay 20k to have my heating fulling automated ) .
It may come in the future but when it will come , it will have been re-thought to appeal to a viable customer base ( like Apple with the iPod has beaten the crap out of the Archos and other MP3 players ) .
Now you may argue that Archos was there before Apple , but the fact is that Apple understood how to market their iPod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gjt writesFor the couch-potato geek, one name typically comes to mind: TiVo.
To become a success for the masses, a product has to appeal to the masses.
The reason the iPod and iPhone were successful was not that they were the first or the most powerful phones, but because they were well marketed and are usable and appeal to your average non-geek.
The corporate history is full of the graves of the people who did not understand this.
One example which comes to my mind is home automation, ten/twenty years ago people were hyped about this and promised that your home would be fully automated by AI and computers.
Now we are in 2010 and your average home only has the basics of home automation, just because it is fairly expensive and does not appeal to the masses (I do not wake up in the morning and wonder how cool it would be to pay 20k to have my heating fulling automated).
It may come in the future but when it will come, it will have been re-thought to appeal to a viable customer base (like Apple with the iPod has beaten the crap out of the Archos and other MP3 players).
Now you may argue that Archos was there before Apple, but the fact is that Apple understood how to market their iPod.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31290270</id>
	<title>Re:DirecTV and TiVo</title>
	<author>GiMP</author>
	<datestamp>1267177200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Dish Network has the VIP 722 which many argue is very competitive to a TiVO.  It does lack some features, but it also provides others which the TiVO doesn't offer.  It is worth, at least, a consideration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dish Network has the VIP 722 which many argue is very competitive to a TiVO .
It does lack some features , but it also provides others which the TiVO does n't offer .
It is worth , at least , a consideration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dish Network has the VIP 722 which many argue is very competitive to a TiVO.
It does lack some features, but it also provides others which the TiVO doesn't offer.
It is worth, at least, a consideration.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284350</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Robin newberry</author>
	<datestamp>1267196220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Actually, my Dad says that in the Days before TV they'd often set up a Reel-to-Reel tape recorder to record a radio show they'd otherwise miss, and then listen to it later. So "time shifting" is at least as old as reel-to-reel...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , my Dad says that in the Days before TV they 'd often set up a Reel-to-Reel tape recorder to record a radio show they 'd otherwise miss , and then listen to it later .
So " time shifting " is at least as old as reel-to-reel.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, my Dad says that in the Days before TV they'd often set up a Reel-to-Reel tape recorder to record a radio show they'd otherwise miss, and then listen to it later.
So "time shifting" is at least as old as reel-to-reel...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31287396</id>
	<title>Re:No Tivo for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267209060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't get it...  I may have spent a month setting up / tweaking my MythTV setup.  I've been using for free (well, $20 / year lateley) with very hardly any maintenance for about six years now.  Why is the initial setup such a turnoff for some people?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it... I may have spent a month setting up / tweaking my MythTV setup .
I 've been using for free ( well , $ 20 / year lateley ) with very hardly any maintenance for about six years now .
Why is the initial setup such a turnoff for some people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it...  I may have spent a month setting up / tweaking my MythTV setup.
I've been using for free (well, $20 / year lateley) with very hardly any maintenance for about six years now.
Why is the initial setup such a turnoff for some people?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284638</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1267197660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new.  It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969.  That VCR was too expensive, so Sony went back and created the Betamax (anc JVC copied it to create VHS) in 1975.  DVR is not even the first digital recording method  - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.  -----  People have been time-shifting for decades.  All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.  Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.</p><p><b>As for why Tivo is not more popular?    </b>  Because there are tons of other options.  I have a Panasonic ReplayTV that has no subscription fees whatsoever.  Ditto my Dish DTVpal which cost $250 flat and no subscription fees.  It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.</p><p>Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee, then they'd takeoff like iPod, but most people simply don't see the need to throw-away money like that.  They have to budget their spending, which means they choose options without the fees (like I did).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new .
It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969 .
That VCR was too expensive , so Sony went back and created the Betamax ( anc JVC copied it to create VHS ) in 1975 .
DVR is not even the first digital recording method - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s .
----- People have been time-shifting for decades .
All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage .
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.As for why Tivo is not more popular ?
Because there are tons of other options .
I have a Panasonic ReplayTV that has no subscription fees whatsoever .
Ditto my Dish DTVpal which cost $ 250 flat and no subscription fees .
It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee , then they 'd takeoff like iPod , but most people simply do n't see the need to throw-away money like that .
They have to budget their spending , which means they choose options without the fees ( like I did ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah time-shifting is nothing new.
It has existed ever since the Sony Umatic VCR released circa 1969.
That VCR was too expensive, so Sony went back and created the Betamax (anc JVC copied it to create VHS) in 1975.
DVR is not even the first digital recording method  - that was miniDV and Digital VHS in the early 1990s.
-----  People have been time-shifting for decades.
All the DVR did was replace the magnetic tape storage with magnetic disk storage.
Nothing revolutionary... it was an evolutionary change.As for why Tivo is not more popular?
Because there are tons of other options.
I have a Panasonic ReplayTV that has no subscription fees whatsoever.
Ditto my Dish DTVpal which cost $250 flat and no subscription fees.
It seemed a no-brainer to buy these DVRs rather than buy a Tivo with a monthly rental.Perhaps if Tivo eliminated the monthly fee, then they'd takeoff like iPod, but most people simply don't see the need to throw-away money like that.
They have to budget their spending, which means they choose options without the fees (like I did).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288806</id>
	<title>Perhaps...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267213860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if they ever decide to put something decent on TV it might start to take off...</p><p>For now, I'll stick to Amazon DVD/Bluray orders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if they ever decide to put something decent on TV it might start to take off...For now , I 'll stick to Amazon DVD/Bluray orders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if they ever decide to put something decent on TV it might start to take off...For now, I'll stick to Amazon DVD/Bluray orders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284068</id>
	<title>Yes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Surely that depends on what type of "time shifting" you mean. If you're talking about "recording to watch later" </p></div><p>Yup. That's what time-shifting has meant since the term was coined.</p><p>In the '70s.</p><p>With the introduction of the VCR.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely that depends on what type of " time shifting " you mean .
If you 're talking about " recording to watch later " Yup .
That 's what time-shifting has meant since the term was coined.In the '70s.With the introduction of the VCR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely that depends on what type of "time shifting" you mean.
If you're talking about "recording to watch later" Yup.
That's what time-shifting has meant since the term was coined.In the '70s.With the introduction of the VCR.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31292698</id>
	<title>Pioneer Tivo DVR-810H</title>
	<author>gizmo\_mathboy</author>
	<datestamp>1267190280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own the Series 2 Pioneer Tivo DVR-810H and it has a dvd burner.</p><p>You will not get this, even from my cold dead hands. The cable company may drive me away from TV because Comcast's new cable box tags EVERYTHING as copy protected so I can't burn to dvd let on use TivoToGo to watch elsewhere (there goes $20 for Tivo's conversion software).</p><p>You don't need to buy the subscription but the convenience of SeasonPass and such is worth the monthly subscription price I paid about 6 years ago.</p><p>Any other DVR I've tried does not compare to a Tivo.</p><p>It is a shame they are a bit pricey up front.</p><p>March 1 should be interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own the Series 2 Pioneer Tivo DVR-810H and it has a dvd burner.You will not get this , even from my cold dead hands .
The cable company may drive me away from TV because Comcast 's new cable box tags EVERYTHING as copy protected so I ca n't burn to dvd let on use TivoToGo to watch elsewhere ( there goes $ 20 for Tivo 's conversion software ) .You do n't need to buy the subscription but the convenience of SeasonPass and such is worth the monthly subscription price I paid about 6 years ago.Any other DVR I 've tried does not compare to a Tivo.It is a shame they are a bit pricey up front.March 1 should be interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own the Series 2 Pioneer Tivo DVR-810H and it has a dvd burner.You will not get this, even from my cold dead hands.
The cable company may drive me away from TV because Comcast's new cable box tags EVERYTHING as copy protected so I can't burn to dvd let on use TivoToGo to watch elsewhere (there goes $20 for Tivo's conversion software).You don't need to buy the subscription but the convenience of SeasonPass and such is worth the monthly subscription price I paid about 6 years ago.Any other DVR I've tried does not compare to a Tivo.It is a shame they are a bit pricey up front.March 1 should be interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284200</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267195260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also ReplayTV, Microsoft's UltimateTV and TiVo were all introduced at the CES show in 98.<br> <br>I'm not sure who actually did it "first."  But no licensing deals were struck, so it seems that the patents either had already expired or there were none to begin with due to prior art.<br> <br>Bill</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also ReplayTV , Microsoft 's UltimateTV and TiVo were all introduced at the CES show in 98 .
I 'm not sure who actually did it " first .
" But no licensing deals were struck , so it seems that the patents either had already expired or there were none to begin with due to prior art .
Bill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also ReplayTV, Microsoft's UltimateTV and TiVo were all introduced at the CES show in 98.
I'm not sure who actually did it "first.
"  But no licensing deals were struck, so it seems that the patents either had already expired or there were none to begin with due to prior art.
Bill</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284142</id>
	<title>Apples and Oranges</title>
	<author>reg106</author>
	<datestamp>1267195020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you even think to lead your submission with a comparison between TiVo and the iPod/iPhone.  If you want to compare TiVo to an Apple product, how about the set-top box Apple TV.  Or compare it to the Sling Box, or to a Windows Media PC, or MythTV, or something else serves an even remotely similar function to TiVo.  Different markets perform differently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you even think to lead your submission with a comparison between TiVo and the iPod/iPhone .
If you want to compare TiVo to an Apple product , how about the set-top box Apple TV .
Or compare it to the Sling Box , or to a Windows Media PC , or MythTV , or something else serves an even remotely similar function to TiVo .
Different markets perform differently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you even think to lead your submission with a comparison between TiVo and the iPod/iPhone.
If you want to compare TiVo to an Apple product, how about the set-top box Apple TV.
Or compare it to the Sling Box, or to a Windows Media PC, or MythTV, or something else serves an even remotely similar function to TiVo.
Different markets perform differently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31297278</id>
	<title>people like me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267292580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So either I'm stupid, lazy, or both.  But I would rather pay an extra $7/mo on my cable to get their DVR than go buy one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So either I 'm stupid , lazy , or both .
But I would rather pay an extra $ 7/mo on my cable to get their DVR than go buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So either I'm stupid, lazy, or both.
But I would rather pay an extra $7/mo on my cable to get their DVR than go buy one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31292718</id>
	<title>Re:false credit</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1267190340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Pro-tip: Just because you're a nerd who pirates all his content, doesn't mean everyone else is.</i></p><p>Just because you're an idiot who lives in the digital sticks doesn't mean everybody else does as well.</p><p>Between Netflix, iTunes, and my cable operator's movie and TV library, there is exactly zero need for me to either record or pirate anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pro-tip : Just because you 're a nerd who pirates all his content , does n't mean everyone else is.Just because you 're an idiot who lives in the digital sticks does n't mean everybody else does as well.Between Netflix , iTunes , and my cable operator 's movie and TV library , there is exactly zero need for me to either record or pirate anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pro-tip: Just because you're a nerd who pirates all his content, doesn't mean everyone else is.Just because you're an idiot who lives in the digital sticks doesn't mean everybody else does as well.Between Netflix, iTunes, and my cable operator's movie and TV library, there is exactly zero need for me to either record or pirate anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31288448</id>
	<title>Re:Lousy marketing?</title>
	<author>imaque</author>
	<datestamp>1267212480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>90 months divided by $550 = $6/month. </p></div><p>Wouldn't that actually be 0.1636 months/dollar?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>90 months divided by $ 550 = $ 6/month .
Would n't that actually be 0.1636 months/dollar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>90 months divided by $550 = $6/month.
Wouldn't that actually be 0.1636 months/dollar?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285630</id>
	<title>Re:TiVo invented timeshifting?</title>
	<author>gafisher</author>
	<datestamp>1267202880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mostly agreed, especially on the issue of subscription fees.  However, Sony's U-Matic was far from the original consumer-grade video recorder.  Ampex had a consumer video recorder, the <a href="http://www.labguysworld.com/Ampex\_VR-1500.htm" title="labguysworld.com" rel="nofollow">VR-1500</a> [labguysworld.com], on the market in 1963, and in 1966 introduced the <a href="http://www.lionlamb.us/quad/vr6275\_1.jpg" title="lionlamb.us" rel="nofollow">VR-6275</a> [lionlamb.us] with built-in TV tuner, audio amplifier and speaker, all in "an attractive walnut cabinet."  JVC didn't copy the Betamax -- they were a licensed second-source for the U-Matic design but saw it as too costly for home use and adapted the concept for the VHS home-video standard, much as AMD and Compaq built on their second-source status with Intel and IBM respectively.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mostly agreed , especially on the issue of subscription fees .
However , Sony 's U-Matic was far from the original consumer-grade video recorder .
Ampex had a consumer video recorder , the VR-1500 [ labguysworld.com ] , on the market in 1963 , and in 1966 introduced the VR-6275 [ lionlamb.us ] with built-in TV tuner , audio amplifier and speaker , all in " an attractive walnut cabinet .
" JVC did n't copy the Betamax -- they were a licensed second-source for the U-Matic design but saw it as too costly for home use and adapted the concept for the VHS home-video standard , much as AMD and Compaq built on their second-source status with Intel and IBM respectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mostly agreed, especially on the issue of subscription fees.
However, Sony's U-Matic was far from the original consumer-grade video recorder.
Ampex had a consumer video recorder, the VR-1500 [labguysworld.com], on the market in 1963, and in 1966 introduced the VR-6275 [lionlamb.us] with built-in TV tuner, audio amplifier and speaker, all in "an attractive walnut cabinet.
"  JVC didn't copy the Betamax -- they were a licensed second-source for the U-Matic design but saw it as too costly for home use and adapted the concept for the VHS home-video standard, much as AMD and Compaq built on their second-source status with Intel and IBM respectively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285338</id>
	<title>Tivo</title>
	<author>raind</author>
	<datestamp>1267201500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While nice there's nothing on tv that would compel me to spend money on it....for 4.95 you can get a basic Netflix plan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While nice there 's nothing on tv that would compel me to spend money on it....for 4.95 you can get a basic Netflix plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While nice there's nothing on tv that would compel me to spend money on it....for 4.95 you can get a basic Netflix plan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31296350</id>
	<title>Re:Because its premise is flawed</title>
	<author>left00coaster</author>
	<datestamp>1267281480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you'll find most people are using DVRs to keep from being tethered to the TV, watching whatever is on at any given time. It doesn't mean that there is something especially 'important' about TV. But interesting? Perhaps. (Since it's so easy to do, I'll record it and find out.) So your humble opinion notwithstanding, there is nothing 'flimsy' about the TiVo premise. <br> <br> Sports and other live events, feature films, certain series programming -- all fit nicely into my HD-DVR (free from DirecTV) -- allowing me to view what interests me, on a schedule that suits me. It's not exactly a time machine, but it allows me to control my TV, instead of the other way around. A very robust use for recording technology, in my opinion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 'll find most people are using DVRs to keep from being tethered to the TV , watching whatever is on at any given time .
It does n't mean that there is something especially 'important ' about TV .
But interesting ?
Perhaps. ( Since it 's so easy to do , I 'll record it and find out .
) So your humble opinion notwithstanding , there is nothing 'flimsy ' about the TiVo premise .
Sports and other live events , feature films , certain series programming -- all fit nicely into my HD-DVR ( free from DirecTV ) -- allowing me to view what interests me , on a schedule that suits me .
It 's not exactly a time machine , but it allows me to control my TV , instead of the other way around .
A very robust use for recording technology , in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you'll find most people are using DVRs to keep from being tethered to the TV, watching whatever is on at any given time.
It doesn't mean that there is something especially 'important' about TV.
But interesting?
Perhaps. (Since it's so easy to do, I'll record it and find out.
) So your humble opinion notwithstanding, there is nothing 'flimsy' about the TiVo premise.
Sports and other live events, feature films, certain series programming -- all fit nicely into my HD-DVR (free from DirecTV) -- allowing me to view what interests me, on a schedule that suits me.
It's not exactly a time machine, but it allows me to control my TV, instead of the other way around.
A very robust use for recording technology, in my opinion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284088</id>
	<title>Because its premise is flawed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267194720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TiVo, in my humble opinion, is based on a fairly flimsy premise: that television is so important to watch that you are willing to spend time and money to make sure you get to watch <em> all </em> of some part of it. Really? Seriously, what is on television that you couldn't miss? Frankly, very little. I'm not trying to be a hater, I watch TV all the time. I just don't care if I miss something. Because whatever I miss I can find later, and if I can't I didn't miss much. It's mind candy, mostly, and we could all do with losing a little "weight".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TiVo , in my humble opinion , is based on a fairly flimsy premise : that television is so important to watch that you are willing to spend time and money to make sure you get to watch all of some part of it .
Really ? Seriously , what is on television that you could n't miss ?
Frankly , very little .
I 'm not trying to be a hater , I watch TV all the time .
I just do n't care if I miss something .
Because whatever I miss I can find later , and if I ca n't I did n't miss much .
It 's mind candy , mostly , and we could all do with losing a little " weight " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TiVo, in my humble opinion, is based on a fairly flimsy premise: that television is so important to watch that you are willing to spend time and money to make sure you get to watch  all  of some part of it.
Really? Seriously, what is on television that you couldn't miss?
Frankly, very little.
I'm not trying to be a hater, I watch TV all the time.
I just don't care if I miss something.
Because whatever I miss I can find later, and if I can't I didn't miss much.
It's mind candy, mostly, and we could all do with losing a little "weight".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31284310</id>
	<title>Unlike the TiVo, my PVR doesn't spy on me...</title>
	<author>Telephone Sanitizer</author>
	<datestamp>1267196040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My LiteOn PVR has a simple timer for recording like a VCR.</p><p>It has user-replaceable parts.</p><p>It doesn't require a paid subscription.</p><p>LiteOn doesn't sell records of my viewing habits.</p><p>It hasn't got a partition allocated for ads.</p><p>It doesn't display ad-banners when I pause or fast forward.</p><p>It has editing features.</p><p>It has a built-in DVD burner.</p><p>Yeah, TiVo offers a few neat features, but I'd have to give up a lot of utility and a great deal of privacy to get them. F-k that. My next PVR will be a computer with a Hauppauge tuner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My LiteOn PVR has a simple timer for recording like a VCR.It has user-replaceable parts.It does n't require a paid subscription.LiteOn does n't sell records of my viewing habits.It has n't got a partition allocated for ads.It does n't display ad-banners when I pause or fast forward.It has editing features.It has a built-in DVD burner.Yeah , TiVo offers a few neat features , but I 'd have to give up a lot of utility and a great deal of privacy to get them .
F-k that .
My next PVR will be a computer with a Hauppauge tuner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My LiteOn PVR has a simple timer for recording like a VCR.It has user-replaceable parts.It doesn't require a paid subscription.LiteOn doesn't sell records of my viewing habits.It hasn't got a partition allocated for ads.It doesn't display ad-banners when I pause or fast forward.It has editing features.It has a built-in DVD burner.Yeah, TiVo offers a few neat features, but I'd have to give up a lot of utility and a great deal of privacy to get them.
F-k that.
My next PVR will be a computer with a Hauppauge tuner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_26_0521242.31285506</id>
	<title>DirecTV is the culprit</title>
	<author>unfortunateson</author>
	<datestamp>1267202340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original models of the TiVo used a (cludgy) IR repeater to drive sat and cable boxes, and knew how to work with DirecTV.<br>The first HD DVRs for DirecTV were TiVo units, and were wonderful (but slow.  Then again, the DirecTV boxes they're still leasing aren't much faster at GUI).</p><p>Then the two companies feuded, probably not just because TiVo signed a deal to provide cable HD boxes.</p><p>HD DirecTiVos still get a decent price on eBay, although they no longer can receive premium channels such as HBO, since D* moved them to a different sattelite frequency band and codec.</p><p>Everything points to a new DirecTV TiVo box coming this year (but they said that last year too), but reports are that it'll be a premium over the current DirecTV DVR fee.  It'll have to be spectacular to be worth it -- I get most of my entertainment on Netflix streaming through my Blurry player anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original models of the TiVo used a ( cludgy ) IR repeater to drive sat and cable boxes , and knew how to work with DirecTV.The first HD DVRs for DirecTV were TiVo units , and were wonderful ( but slow .
Then again , the DirecTV boxes they 're still leasing are n't much faster at GUI ) .Then the two companies feuded , probably not just because TiVo signed a deal to provide cable HD boxes.HD DirecTiVos still get a decent price on eBay , although they no longer can receive premium channels such as HBO , since D * moved them to a different sattelite frequency band and codec.Everything points to a new DirecTV TiVo box coming this year ( but they said that last year too ) , but reports are that it 'll be a premium over the current DirecTV DVR fee .
It 'll have to be spectacular to be worth it -- I get most of my entertainment on Netflix streaming through my Blurry player anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original models of the TiVo used a (cludgy) IR repeater to drive sat and cable boxes, and knew how to work with DirecTV.The first HD DVRs for DirecTV were TiVo units, and were wonderful (but slow.
Then again, the DirecTV boxes they're still leasing aren't much faster at GUI).Then the two companies feuded, probably not just because TiVo signed a deal to provide cable HD boxes.HD DirecTiVos still get a decent price on eBay, although they no longer can receive premium channels such as HBO, since D* moved them to a different sattelite frequency band and codec.Everything points to a new DirecTV TiVo box coming this year (but they said that last year too), but reports are that it'll be a premium over the current DirecTV DVR fee.
It'll have to be spectacular to be worth it -- I get most of my entertainment on Netflix streaming through my Blurry player anyway.</sentencetext>
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