<article>
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	<title>iPad Will Beat Netbooks With "Magic"</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1267115760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>entirely\_fluffy writes <i>"In a talk intended to woo investors, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said the iPad will win over potential netbook buyers, but not because of specs or features. No, Cook said, <a href="http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/337406/apple\_ipad\_will\_beat\_netbooks\_magic?fp=4194304&amp;fpid=1">the iPad's magical properties will seal the deal</a>. 'The netbook is not an experience people are going to continue wanting to have,' Cook said, according to Macworld. 'When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it ... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook.'"</i> Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana.</htmltext>
<tokenext>entirely \ _fluffy writes " In a talk intended to woo investors , Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said the iPad will win over potential netbook buyers , but not because of specs or features .
No , Cook said , the iPad 's magical properties will seal the deal .
'The netbook is not an experience people are going to continue wanting to have, ' Cook said , according to Macworld .
'When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it ... I have a hard time believing they 're going to go for a netbook .
' " Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $ 100 discount , but hey Magic is cool too , provided they have enough mana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>entirely\_fluffy writes "In a talk intended to woo investors, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said the iPad will win over potential netbook buyers, but not because of specs or features.
No, Cook said, the iPad's magical properties will seal the deal.
'The netbook is not an experience people are going to continue wanting to have,' Cook said, according to Macworld.
'When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it ... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook.
'" Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273912</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1267121640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's more like an iPod touch.  An iPhone has a camera and can make calls.</p><p>Hitler hit it on the nose:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9\_EcybyLJS8" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9\_EcybyLJS8</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more like an iPod touch .
An iPhone has a camera and can make calls.Hitler hit it on the nose : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = 9 \ _EcybyLJS8 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more like an iPod touch.
An iPhone has a camera and can make calls.Hitler hit it on the nose:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9\_EcybyLJS8 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31282842</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1267179540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh please. Windows Vista flopped despite being marketed to simple people, while the same people were hearing it's bad from the tech crowd. The will have to market the damn device extremely hard. Because a lot of people in the tech crowd are non-supportive, to say the least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh please .
Windows Vista flopped despite being marketed to simple people , while the same people were hearing it 's bad from the tech crowd .
The will have to market the damn device extremely hard .
Because a lot of people in the tech crowd are non-supportive , to say the least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh please.
Windows Vista flopped despite being marketed to simple people, while the same people were hearing it's bad from the tech crowd.
The will have to market the damn device extremely hard.
Because a lot of people in the tech crowd are non-supportive, to say the least.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275006</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1267125120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>no being treated like an imbecile.</p></div><p>This says more about you than it does Apple.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>no being treated like an imbecile.This says more about you than it does Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no being treated like an imbecile.This says more about you than it does Apple.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275156</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1267125600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah but the netbook will also run all the software you don't want it to run. Say hello to virii Trojans rootkits and malware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah but the netbook will also run all the software you do n't want it to run .
Say hello to virii Trojans rootkits and malware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah but the netbook will also run all the software you don't want it to run.
Say hello to virii Trojans rootkits and malware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31279104</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>SoupIsGoodFood\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1267098360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Second, keeping the first point in mind, touchscreen PC's have been around for years and have always been a niche device precisely because of its form factor. They just aren't that useful except in certain circumstances. For example, they are easier to use while standing, but much more awkward while sitting at a table, and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap.</i></p><p>But that has more to do with the huge size and weight of most tablets and that they run a desktop OS and require a stylus. Of course <i>they</i> are awkward to use, but I don't see how you can assume the same conclusion about the iPad. I think netbooks are awkward to use if you want to read, rather than type, as they need to be put down on a surface in order to be used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Second , keeping the first point in mind , touchscreen PC 's have been around for years and have always been a niche device precisely because of its form factor .
They just are n't that useful except in certain circumstances .
For example , they are easier to use while standing , but much more awkward while sitting at a table , and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap.But that has more to do with the huge size and weight of most tablets and that they run a desktop OS and require a stylus .
Of course they are awkward to use , but I do n't see how you can assume the same conclusion about the iPad .
I think netbooks are awkward to use if you want to read , rather than type , as they need to be put down on a surface in order to be used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second, keeping the first point in mind, touchscreen PC's have been around for years and have always been a niche device precisely because of its form factor.
They just aren't that useful except in certain circumstances.
For example, they are easier to use while standing, but much more awkward while sitting at a table, and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap.But that has more to do with the huge size and weight of most tablets and that they run a desktop OS and require a stylus.
Of course they are awkward to use, but I don't see how you can assume the same conclusion about the iPad.
I think netbooks are awkward to use if you want to read, rather than type, as they need to be put down on a surface in order to be used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273452</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>nostromo</author>
	<datestamp>1267120080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>netbooks are just as good as your spelling...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>netbooks are just as good as your spelling.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>netbooks are just as good as your spelling...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275608</id>
	<title>niche yes, mass market no</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1267127400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see very few needs that can be solved by the iPad best.</p><p>Assuming you are going for all Apple products:<br>You want to listen to music. Get an ipod<br>music + games + emails/browsing on wifi. Get an ipod touch<br>phone + all the above: Get an iphone</p><p>Actual work: get a laptop + some phone that tethers when no wifi is available</p><p>So the ipad would be great if somehow you want something to browse lightly on or email without typing too much and you don't need/own a laptop. Otherwise any laptop is light enough to bring anywhere you would bring an iPad.</p><p>One place I see the iPad shining is as a car device. cheap, big screen, tons of apps and 3g. You could get as many apps as you can possibly use in a month and still be cheaper than car's integrated nav units. Add a little device and you have the backup camera too.<br>Maybe also as some kind of work terminal when a phone is too small and a netbook too big. Not that there is much of a difference and the keyboard is a big +</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see very few needs that can be solved by the iPad best.Assuming you are going for all Apple products : You want to listen to music .
Get an ipodmusic + games + emails/browsing on wifi .
Get an ipod touchphone + all the above : Get an iphoneActual work : get a laptop + some phone that tethers when no wifi is availableSo the ipad would be great if somehow you want something to browse lightly on or email without typing too much and you do n't need/own a laptop .
Otherwise any laptop is light enough to bring anywhere you would bring an iPad.One place I see the iPad shining is as a car device .
cheap , big screen , tons of apps and 3g .
You could get as many apps as you can possibly use in a month and still be cheaper than car 's integrated nav units .
Add a little device and you have the backup camera too.Maybe also as some kind of work terminal when a phone is too small and a netbook too big .
Not that there is much of a difference and the keyboard is a big +</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see very few needs that can be solved by the iPad best.Assuming you are going for all Apple products:You want to listen to music.
Get an ipodmusic + games + emails/browsing on wifi.
Get an ipod touchphone + all the above: Get an iphoneActual work: get a laptop + some phone that tethers when no wifi is availableSo the ipad would be great if somehow you want something to browse lightly on or email without typing too much and you don't need/own a laptop.
Otherwise any laptop is light enough to bring anywhere you would bring an iPad.One place I see the iPad shining is as a car device.
cheap, big screen, tons of apps and 3g.
You could get as many apps as you can possibly use in a month and still be cheaper than car's integrated nav units.
Add a little device and you have the backup camera too.Maybe also as some kind of work terminal when a phone is too small and a netbook too big.
Not that there is much of a difference and the keyboard is a big +</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273362</id>
	<title>It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that people will get tired with netbooks, it's that some people don't want/need a netbook form factor but there was no "affordable" tablet form factor. Oddly, I really wanted a tablet but now that I have a netbook I don't want a tablet as badly - I'd rather have an ereader. It's become clear that a tablet without a keyboard wouldn't serve enough functions for me.  Actually, the Always Innovating convertable is still the closest to the form factor I'd prefer, but (as with the iPad) the lack of ability to run windows apps would prevent me from using several commercial utilities which are essential to my business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that people will get tired with netbooks , it 's that some people do n't want/need a netbook form factor but there was no " affordable " tablet form factor .
Oddly , I really wanted a tablet but now that I have a netbook I do n't want a tablet as badly - I 'd rather have an ereader .
It 's become clear that a tablet without a keyboard would n't serve enough functions for me .
Actually , the Always Innovating convertable is still the closest to the form factor I 'd prefer , but ( as with the iPad ) the lack of ability to run windows apps would prevent me from using several commercial utilities which are essential to my business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that people will get tired with netbooks, it's that some people don't want/need a netbook form factor but there was no "affordable" tablet form factor.
Oddly, I really wanted a tablet but now that I have a netbook I don't want a tablet as badly - I'd rather have an ereader.
It's become clear that a tablet without a keyboard wouldn't serve enough functions for me.
Actually, the Always Innovating convertable is still the closest to the form factor I'd prefer, but (as with the iPad) the lack of ability to run windows apps would prevent me from using several commercial utilities which are essential to my business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274010</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267122000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good for you.  But none of these matthers to me. ipad still wins.</p><p>I don't care for a small, barely usable keyboard.  I don't care about the OS it can run.  I don't care about multitasking.  I don't care what it cost.  My iphone screen isn't protected and it's doing just fine.</p><p>I want an oversized ipod touch.  All the apps I want are already in the apps store.</p><p>If I need to get some work done, I have a real computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for you .
But none of these matthers to me .
ipad still wins.I do n't care for a small , barely usable keyboard .
I do n't care about the OS it can run .
I do n't care about multitasking .
I do n't care what it cost .
My iphone screen is n't protected and it 's doing just fine.I want an oversized ipod touch .
All the apps I want are already in the apps store.If I need to get some work done , I have a real computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for you.
But none of these matthers to me.
ipad still wins.I don't care for a small, barely usable keyboard.
I don't care about the OS it can run.
I don't care about multitasking.
I don't care what it cost.
My iphone screen isn't protected and it's doing just fine.I want an oversized ipod touch.
All the apps I want are already in the apps store.If I need to get some work done, I have a real computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273778</id>
	<title>Enough with the Magic(al)</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1267121220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, I'm actually really excited about the iPad (hate that name) and will probably get one (not sure if I'll get a 1st gen or wait for the 2nd) but, even I, an Apple fanboi, am getting sick and tired of hearing "magic", "magical", or any derivation thereof when discussing the iPad. Enough. Please, move on. Please.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I 'm actually really excited about the iPad ( hate that name ) and will probably get one ( not sure if I 'll get a 1st gen or wait for the 2nd ) but , even I , an Apple fanboi , am getting sick and tired of hearing " magic " , " magical " , or any derivation thereof when discussing the iPad .
Enough. Please , move on .
Please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I'm actually really excited about the iPad (hate that name) and will probably get one (not sure if I'll get a 1st gen or wait for the 2nd) but, even I, an Apple fanboi, am getting sick and tired of hearing "magic", "magical", or any derivation thereof when discussing the iPad.
Enough. Please, move on.
Please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273280</id>
	<title>reality distortion field</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess Steve's Reality Distortion Field (TM) has finally begun to break down</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess Steve 's Reality Distortion Field ( TM ) has finally begun to break down</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess Steve's Reality Distortion Field (TM) has finally begun to break down</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273386</id>
	<title>Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>VEGETA\_GT</author>
	<datestamp>1267119840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NetBook &gt; ipad</p><p>Why<br>1: netbook has actual keyboard<br>2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux<br>3: netbook can multi task<br>4: nebook can be had for as cheep as 200$<br>5: netbook can close to protect screen.</p><p>I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversized iphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NetBook &gt; ipadWhy1 : netbook has actual keyboard2 : netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux3 : netbook can multi task4 : nebook can be had for as cheep as 200 $ 5 : netbook can close to protect screen.I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system , the ipad is just a oversized iphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NetBook &gt; ipadWhy1: netbook has actual keyboard2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux3: netbook can multi task4: nebook can be had for as cheep as 200$5: netbook can close to protect screen.I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversized iphone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278494</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>16K Ram Pack</author>
	<datestamp>1267095720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example, they are easier to use while standing, but much more awkward while sitting at a table, and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap. They are great for hand writing notes and drawing, but no matter how well they do an on-screen keyboard typing will never be as good on a tablet as on a laptop or even a netbook, for the simple fact that the screen will be in a much more awkward position.</p></div><p>This is something I've been thinking. I can sit on a sofa, open up a laptop, put a movie on, put my head back, adjust the screen and just watch. Or be on a train, adjust it, sit back and watch.</p><p>How's that going to work with an iPad? OK, I can buy the stand and prop it up, but that's hardly the point. So, the alternative is that you've got to hold it up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , they are easier to use while standing , but much more awkward while sitting at a table , and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap .
They are great for hand writing notes and drawing , but no matter how well they do an on-screen keyboard typing will never be as good on a tablet as on a laptop or even a netbook , for the simple fact that the screen will be in a much more awkward position.This is something I 've been thinking .
I can sit on a sofa , open up a laptop , put a movie on , put my head back , adjust the screen and just watch .
Or be on a train , adjust it , sit back and watch.How 's that going to work with an iPad ?
OK , I can buy the stand and prop it up , but that 's hardly the point .
So , the alternative is that you 've got to hold it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, they are easier to use while standing, but much more awkward while sitting at a table, and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap.
They are great for hand writing notes and drawing, but no matter how well they do an on-screen keyboard typing will never be as good on a tablet as on a laptop or even a netbook, for the simple fact that the screen will be in a much more awkward position.This is something I've been thinking.
I can sit on a sofa, open up a laptop, put a movie on, put my head back, adjust the screen and just watch.
Or be on a train, adjust it, sit back and watch.How's that going to work with an iPad?
OK, I can buy the stand and prop it up, but that's hardly the point.
So, the alternative is that you've got to hold it up.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274786</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>toastliscio</author>
	<datestamp>1267124280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My mother is 56 and not so technology-friendly. When 10 years ago she first bought a cell phone, it took some time for her to understand how to send text messages.
3 months ago she had her first personal computer, a 300&euro; Toshiba netbook, with Windows 7 starter.
It's just a little netbook like another, nothing special, but a few days ago she was watching "Who wants to be a millionaire?" and was able to google the correct answer in a few seconds, while the contestant used the phone-a-friend option and the friend couldn't find the answer despite of the 30 seconds available.
My mother was laughing at the situation: I mean... it's nothing special, but why do you people say netbooks aren't usable? That's not true...</htmltext>
<tokenext>My mother is 56 and not so technology-friendly .
When 10 years ago she first bought a cell phone , it took some time for her to understand how to send text messages .
3 months ago she had her first personal computer , a 300    Toshiba netbook , with Windows 7 starter .
It 's just a little netbook like another , nothing special , but a few days ago she was watching " Who wants to be a millionaire ?
" and was able to google the correct answer in a few seconds , while the contestant used the phone-a-friend option and the friend could n't find the answer despite of the 30 seconds available .
My mother was laughing at the situation : I mean... it 's nothing special , but why do you people say netbooks are n't usable ?
That 's not true.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mother is 56 and not so technology-friendly.
When 10 years ago she first bought a cell phone, it took some time for her to understand how to send text messages.
3 months ago she had her first personal computer, a 300€ Toshiba netbook, with Windows 7 starter.
It's just a little netbook like another, nothing special, but a few days ago she was watching "Who wants to be a millionaire?
" and was able to google the correct answer in a few seconds, while the contestant used the phone-a-friend option and the friend couldn't find the answer despite of the 30 seconds available.
My mother was laughing at the situation: I mean... it's nothing special, but why do you people say netbooks aren't usable?
That's not true...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273396</id>
	<title>Also known as</title>
	<author>SailorSpork</author>
	<datestamp>1267119840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, in business terms, "we could sell poop in a box and people would buy it because of their trust in Apple, also know as brand equity, which we will burn in exchange for cash with this product."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , in business terms , " we could sell poop in a box and people would buy it because of their trust in Apple , also know as brand equity , which we will burn in exchange for cash with this product .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, in business terms, "we could sell poop in a box and people would buy it because of their trust in Apple, also know as brand equity, which we will burn in exchange for cash with this product.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276736</id>
	<title>Fussy, fussy</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1267088580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana."</p><p>Geez. The original price people said it need to be under was $1,000. It is half of that and you are demanding another $100 off? You'll never be happy even if you were paid to take one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $ 100 discount , but hey Magic is cool too , provided they have enough mana. " Geez .
The original price people said it need to be under was $ 1,000 .
It is half of that and you are demanding another $ 100 off ?
You 'll never be happy even if you were paid to take one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana."Geez.
The original price people said it need to be under was $1,000.
It is half of that and you are demanding another $100 off?
You'll never be happy even if you were paid to take one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274020</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>grimner</author>
	<datestamp>1267122000000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>1: netbook has actual keyboard</b> <br>
It has a keyboard attachment, use it if you need it.  Less bulk if you are just carrying around an ereader and websurfing appliance.<br>
<br>
<b>2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux</b> <br>
This only matters to the slashdot crowd, normal people don't care.<br>
<br>
<b>3: netbook can multi task</b> <br>
Valid point, I hate the fact that my iPhone doesn't multitask but see point 2.<br>
<br>
<b>4: nebook can be had for as cheep as 200$</b> <br>
Not one that you would actually want to buy.<br>
<br>
<b>5: netbook can close to protect screen</b>.<br>
This is my one concern, how fragile will the screen be.  Needing a bulky protector defeats the advantage of not having a keyboard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 : netbook has actual keyboard It has a keyboard attachment , use it if you need it .
Less bulk if you are just carrying around an ereader and websurfing appliance .
2 : netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux This only matters to the slashdot crowd , normal people do n't care .
3 : netbook can multi task Valid point , I hate the fact that my iPhone does n't multitask but see point 2 .
4 : nebook can be had for as cheep as 200 $ Not one that you would actually want to buy .
5 : netbook can close to protect screen .
This is my one concern , how fragile will the screen be .
Needing a bulky protector defeats the advantage of not having a keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1: netbook has actual keyboard 
It has a keyboard attachment, use it if you need it.
Less bulk if you are just carrying around an ereader and websurfing appliance.
2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux 
This only matters to the slashdot crowd, normal people don't care.
3: netbook can multi task 
Valid point, I hate the fact that my iPhone doesn't multitask but see point 2.
4: nebook can be had for as cheep as 200$ 
Not one that you would actually want to buy.
5: netbook can close to protect screen.
This is my one concern, how fragile will the screen be.
Needing a bulky protector defeats the advantage of not having a keyboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280704</id>
	<title>Re:WRONG!</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1267110300000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This whole thing is rather "Quantum Flux", isn't it?  Until the probability wave collapses into one or the other, I really don't know what to think.</p><p>I mean, on the one hand, this could be Apple's "Vista".  A lack-luster also-ran with so-so sales buoyed up on waves of Apple-fan denial.</p><p>Or you could be right.  I mean, Apple really is banking on the bulk of people being so threatened by computer options that they just want the popular device despite its technological failings.  Beta-max was technically superior to VHS, but that didn't stop the popularity contest from going where it did.  When the herd latches on to a trend, you might as well hunker down and go with the flow, because the Lemmings Always Win.  (And I find the fact that Disney producers actually drove lemmings over cliff tops in order to satisfy the needs of their scripting department ironic in the most insidious and telling manner!)</p><p>Apple is dead.  Long live Apple.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole thing is rather " Quantum Flux " , is n't it ?
Until the probability wave collapses into one or the other , I really do n't know what to think.I mean , on the one hand , this could be Apple 's " Vista " .
A lack-luster also-ran with so-so sales buoyed up on waves of Apple-fan denial.Or you could be right .
I mean , Apple really is banking on the bulk of people being so threatened by computer options that they just want the popular device despite its technological failings .
Beta-max was technically superior to VHS , but that did n't stop the popularity contest from going where it did .
When the herd latches on to a trend , you might as well hunker down and go with the flow , because the Lemmings Always Win .
( And I find the fact that Disney producers actually drove lemmings over cliff tops in order to satisfy the needs of their scripting department ironic in the most insidious and telling manner !
) Apple is dead .
Long live Apple.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole thing is rather "Quantum Flux", isn't it?
Until the probability wave collapses into one or the other, I really don't know what to think.I mean, on the one hand, this could be Apple's "Vista".
A lack-luster also-ran with so-so sales buoyed up on waves of Apple-fan denial.Or you could be right.
I mean, Apple really is banking on the bulk of people being so threatened by computer options that they just want the popular device despite its technological failings.
Beta-max was technically superior to VHS, but that didn't stop the popularity contest from going where it did.
When the herd latches on to a trend, you might as well hunker down and go with the flow, because the Lemmings Always Win.
(And I find the fact that Disney producers actually drove lemmings over cliff tops in order to satisfy the needs of their scripting department ironic in the most insidious and telling manner!
)Apple is dead.
Long live Apple.-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31282902</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1267180200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>You could actually replicate the experience... The specs are all there. <br> I can say, that on screen keyboard will be unusable for me. Why? Because while holding the device in portrait mode, my thumbs will not reach the keys in the middle of the keyboard. Why do I know that? Because I have a damn ruler to measure!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could actually replicate the experience... The specs are all there .
I can say , that on screen keyboard will be unusable for me .
Why ? Because while holding the device in portrait mode , my thumbs will not reach the keys in the middle of the keyboard .
Why do I know that ?
Because I have a damn ruler to measure !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could actually replicate the experience... The specs are all there.
I can say, that on screen keyboard will be unusable for me.
Why? Because while holding the device in portrait mode, my thumbs will not reach the keys in the middle of the keyboard.
Why do I know that?
Because I have a damn ruler to measure!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278118</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267094400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>NetBook &gt; ipad</p><p>Why<br>1: netbook is twice as thick and has an actual keyboard whether I feel like carrying it or not, and I won't have to worry about being bothered trying to use it standing up, for example, reading with one hand -- that wouldn't be a real computer system experience<br>2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs viruses<br>3: netbook can run viruses, windows updates and malware in the background and take forever to switch and load apps, page faulting programs in and out, with such limited RAM<br>4: netbook wont come in that lousy thin, light and durable aluminium/glass format -- cheep plastic saves me money to spend on windows upgrades<br>5: netbook can close to protect the cheep plastic screen by exposing the cheep plastic outside case to scratching</p><p>I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversize version of the best-selling touch screen music player in history.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NetBook &gt; ipadWhy1 : netbook is twice as thick and has an actual keyboard whether I feel like carrying it or not , and I wo n't have to worry about being bothered trying to use it standing up , for example , reading with one hand -- that would n't be a real computer system experience2 : netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs viruses3 : netbook can run viruses , windows updates and malware in the background and take forever to switch and load apps , page faulting programs in and out , with such limited RAM4 : netbook wont come in that lousy thin , light and durable aluminium/glass format -- cheep plastic saves me money to spend on windows upgrades5 : netbook can close to protect the cheep plastic screen by exposing the cheep plastic outside case to scratchingI can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system , the ipad is just a oversize version of the best-selling touch screen music player in history .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NetBook &gt; ipadWhy1: netbook is twice as thick and has an actual keyboard whether I feel like carrying it or not, and I won't have to worry about being bothered trying to use it standing up, for example, reading with one hand -- that wouldn't be a real computer system experience2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs viruses3: netbook can run viruses, windows updates and malware in the background and take forever to switch and load apps, page faulting programs in and out, with such limited RAM4: netbook wont come in that lousy thin, light and durable aluminium/glass format -- cheep plastic saves me money to spend on windows upgrades5: netbook can close to protect the cheep plastic screen by exposing the cheep plastic outside case to scratchingI can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversize version of the best-selling touch screen music player in history.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276108</id>
	<title>The "magic" is the logo -- the marketing is wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129260000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "magic" is the logo. The marketing is wrong. It seems strange to say this about Apple, because marketing is how they get such a strong foothold in the markets they fill.</p><p>I recently left the market for a compact portable device with a reasonably sized screen and long battery life. I bought a netbook. I bought it AFTER the announcement of the iPad and did not even consider it.</p><p>I have had a laptop for some years. My last one was a 14" laptop with very good specs. I decided I didn't need such a large laptop with so much power and only just under 2 hours battery life when I'm really nice to it. Instead, I wanted something a bit more compact and portable. But I wanted a computing platform, not a peripheral device.</p><p>The iPad, simply put, is a peripheral device. It is akin to a media player. For many people, this is all they need, and an iPad may fit their needs. However, if you are looking for a computing device, the iPad will fail to meet that need, whereas a netbook fits it, provided you do not need a lot of performance.</p><p>I think what I'm saying is, as much as Apple wants to make the iPad a netbook competitor, it is not. They are very different devices with very different uses and markets. I can very much see someone with both an iPad and a netbook simply because they fill different needs.</p><p>I might, someday, get a tablet device, but I'm really more drawn to the Android platform. My phone is an Android phone, and we'll be seeing Android tablets soon. I can see myself getting an Android tablet, but not to replace anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " magic " is the logo .
The marketing is wrong .
It seems strange to say this about Apple , because marketing is how they get such a strong foothold in the markets they fill.I recently left the market for a compact portable device with a reasonably sized screen and long battery life .
I bought a netbook .
I bought it AFTER the announcement of the iPad and did not even consider it.I have had a laptop for some years .
My last one was a 14 " laptop with very good specs .
I decided I did n't need such a large laptop with so much power and only just under 2 hours battery life when I 'm really nice to it .
Instead , I wanted something a bit more compact and portable .
But I wanted a computing platform , not a peripheral device.The iPad , simply put , is a peripheral device .
It is akin to a media player .
For many people , this is all they need , and an iPad may fit their needs .
However , if you are looking for a computing device , the iPad will fail to meet that need , whereas a netbook fits it , provided you do not need a lot of performance.I think what I 'm saying is , as much as Apple wants to make the iPad a netbook competitor , it is not .
They are very different devices with very different uses and markets .
I can very much see someone with both an iPad and a netbook simply because they fill different needs.I might , someday , get a tablet device , but I 'm really more drawn to the Android platform .
My phone is an Android phone , and we 'll be seeing Android tablets soon .
I can see myself getting an Android tablet , but not to replace anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "magic" is the logo.
The marketing is wrong.
It seems strange to say this about Apple, because marketing is how they get such a strong foothold in the markets they fill.I recently left the market for a compact portable device with a reasonably sized screen and long battery life.
I bought a netbook.
I bought it AFTER the announcement of the iPad and did not even consider it.I have had a laptop for some years.
My last one was a 14" laptop with very good specs.
I decided I didn't need such a large laptop with so much power and only just under 2 hours battery life when I'm really nice to it.
Instead, I wanted something a bit more compact and portable.
But I wanted a computing platform, not a peripheral device.The iPad, simply put, is a peripheral device.
It is akin to a media player.
For many people, this is all they need, and an iPad may fit their needs.
However, if you are looking for a computing device, the iPad will fail to meet that need, whereas a netbook fits it, provided you do not need a lot of performance.I think what I'm saying is, as much as Apple wants to make the iPad a netbook competitor, it is not.
They are very different devices with very different uses and markets.
I can very much see someone with both an iPad and a netbook simply because they fill different needs.I might, someday, get a tablet device, but I'm really more drawn to the Android platform.
My phone is an Android phone, and we'll be seeing Android tablets soon.
I can see myself getting an Android tablet, but not to replace anything.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274552</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No iTunes!!!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No iTunes ! ! ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No iTunes!!!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276820</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1267089000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences"</p><p>I agree with you on everything else, but I'm not sure on that one.  Just like the iPhone, the iPad might just find a lot of techie uses.</p><p>I'm looking forward to having one to carry around a library of technical and academic texts (can't do that on an e-reader because they don't do graphics well and don't have colour).  It might also be good for some SSH work.  I actually SSH from my iPhone quite a bit but both the keyboard and the screen are a bit too small to make it really convenient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" it likely wo n't catch on among more technical audiences " I agree with you on everything else , but I 'm not sure on that one .
Just like the iPhone , the iPad might just find a lot of techie uses.I 'm looking forward to having one to carry around a library of technical and academic texts ( ca n't do that on an e-reader because they do n't do graphics well and do n't have colour ) .
It might also be good for some SSH work .
I actually SSH from my iPhone quite a bit but both the keyboard and the screen are a bit too small to make it really convenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences"I agree with you on everything else, but I'm not sure on that one.
Just like the iPhone, the iPad might just find a lot of techie uses.I'm looking forward to having one to carry around a library of technical and academic texts (can't do that on an e-reader because they don't do graphics well and don't have colour).
It might also be good for some SSH work.
I actually SSH from my iPhone quite a bit but both the keyboard and the screen are a bit too small to make it really convenient.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274506</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123560000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me, Apple is trying to do what AOL was doing.  Yes, with AOL, you had the internet but they wanted to manage your needs internally first and access the internet  second, keywords, their own "groups", their own marketing deals and walls and barriers etc.  In theory it was value added internet but most people finally realized they could get the full internet and a real internet browser without AOL being the middle man and they left.  Apple wants to manage your internet and overall experience with specifically approved applications and a web browser that is limited in functionality.  Many of these applications are useful but many duplicate what is already available on the internet as a whole with a regular full functioned web browser.  Want to see what movie is playing tonght?  What to find a local resturant?  Driving directions?  You <b>don't</b> need a specific app for that.  Want to update facebook or watch you tube videos?  Same there, you don't need an app for that, fire up your browser and select the bookmark and go.  The best part for Apple is they control the applications and therefore the experience AND get a cut of the funds from the applications you are required to download to get that functionality.  Imagine using a HP netbook and having to get a specific app from HP to watch youtube videos?  Sounds extremely backwards and insane to me but some people are claiming this as a great advance in usability and something people want?  Is just going to www.youtube.com really that hard for a computer user to do?  Is downloading and installing an app for youtube really more user friendly?  I'm just using youtube as an example, there are many functions that have the same issue with the iPhone/iPad.</p><p>To me, it feels like the mid 90's and the AOL craze all over again.  It will sell good though which to me is strange.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me , Apple is trying to do what AOL was doing .
Yes , with AOL , you had the internet but they wanted to manage your needs internally first and access the internet second , keywords , their own " groups " , their own marketing deals and walls and barriers etc .
In theory it was value added internet but most people finally realized they could get the full internet and a real internet browser without AOL being the middle man and they left .
Apple wants to manage your internet and overall experience with specifically approved applications and a web browser that is limited in functionality .
Many of these applications are useful but many duplicate what is already available on the internet as a whole with a regular full functioned web browser .
Want to see what movie is playing tonght ?
What to find a local resturant ?
Driving directions ?
You do n't need a specific app for that .
Want to update facebook or watch you tube videos ?
Same there , you do n't need an app for that , fire up your browser and select the bookmark and go .
The best part for Apple is they control the applications and therefore the experience AND get a cut of the funds from the applications you are required to download to get that functionality .
Imagine using a HP netbook and having to get a specific app from HP to watch youtube videos ?
Sounds extremely backwards and insane to me but some people are claiming this as a great advance in usability and something people want ?
Is just going to www.youtube.com really that hard for a computer user to do ?
Is downloading and installing an app for youtube really more user friendly ?
I 'm just using youtube as an example , there are many functions that have the same issue with the iPhone/iPad.To me , it feels like the mid 90 's and the AOL craze all over again .
It will sell good though which to me is strange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me, Apple is trying to do what AOL was doing.
Yes, with AOL, you had the internet but they wanted to manage your needs internally first and access the internet  second, keywords, their own "groups", their own marketing deals and walls and barriers etc.
In theory it was value added internet but most people finally realized they could get the full internet and a real internet browser without AOL being the middle man and they left.
Apple wants to manage your internet and overall experience with specifically approved applications and a web browser that is limited in functionality.
Many of these applications are useful but many duplicate what is already available on the internet as a whole with a regular full functioned web browser.
Want to see what movie is playing tonght?
What to find a local resturant?
Driving directions?
You don't need a specific app for that.
Want to update facebook or watch you tube videos?
Same there, you don't need an app for that, fire up your browser and select the bookmark and go.
The best part for Apple is they control the applications and therefore the experience AND get a cut of the funds from the applications you are required to download to get that functionality.
Imagine using a HP netbook and having to get a specific app from HP to watch youtube videos?
Sounds extremely backwards and insane to me but some people are claiming this as a great advance in usability and something people want?
Is just going to www.youtube.com really that hard for a computer user to do?
Is downloading and installing an app for youtube really more user friendly?
I'm just using youtube as an example, there are many functions that have the same issue with the iPhone/iPad.To me, it feels like the mid 90's and the AOL craze all over again.
It will sell good though which to me is strange.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276054</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>filterban</author>
	<datestamp>1267128960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Excellent point.  You forgot some other things to remind the Netbook users to do:
<ol>
<li>Backup all data automatically</li>
<li>Figure out how to sync/share iTunes libraries</li>
<li>Figure out how to sync photos and contacts</li>
<li>Figure out Windows Update so your computer is not vulnerable to viruses</li>
<li>Figure out the right firewall settings</li>
<li>Organize all of my documents</li>
<li>Figure out how to buy application licenses (you mean I have to find the vendor's site, register for an account, and type in my credit card info for each app?  How do I know they will protect my credit card data? Also, I have to PAY for an upgrade?)</li>
<li>Figure out how to keep all of their applications up to date</li>
<li>Figure out how to make Firefox zoom in and out to accommodate the small screen (good luck seeing the whole page)</li>
</ol><p>
I'm a software developer/architect, and even to me, all of the above things are really annoying.  I can put up with them on my laptop and desktop PCs... the computers that are designed for power usage and long use cases (word processing, software development, graphic design).
</p><p>
But, for reading an e-book, playing a few games, and browsing the web?  I really should not have to put up with that crap on a device that I use for 30 minutes at a time.
</p><p>
The "netbook experience" is basically just like using a shitty laptop.  I can think of maybe one scenario where a netbook is superior to a laptop -- when you are travelling and you don't want the extra weight.
</p><p>
99\% of the time, why would I not just use my good laptop (something with a decent screen size, graphics card, processor, and memory) instead?
</p><p>
<b>The bottom line is, unlike a netbook, the iPad has many use cases where it is superior to a laptop.</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent point .
You forgot some other things to remind the Netbook users to do : Backup all data automatically Figure out how to sync/share iTunes libraries Figure out how to sync photos and contacts Figure out Windows Update so your computer is not vulnerable to viruses Figure out the right firewall settings Organize all of my documents Figure out how to buy application licenses ( you mean I have to find the vendor 's site , register for an account , and type in my credit card info for each app ?
How do I know they will protect my credit card data ?
Also , I have to PAY for an upgrade ?
) Figure out how to keep all of their applications up to date Figure out how to make Firefox zoom in and out to accommodate the small screen ( good luck seeing the whole page ) I 'm a software developer/architect , and even to me , all of the above things are really annoying .
I can put up with them on my laptop and desktop PCs... the computers that are designed for power usage and long use cases ( word processing , software development , graphic design ) .
But , for reading an e-book , playing a few games , and browsing the web ?
I really should not have to put up with that crap on a device that I use for 30 minutes at a time .
The " netbook experience " is basically just like using a shitty laptop .
I can think of maybe one scenario where a netbook is superior to a laptop -- when you are travelling and you do n't want the extra weight .
99 \ % of the time , why would I not just use my good laptop ( something with a decent screen size , graphics card , processor , and memory ) instead ?
The bottom line is , unlike a netbook , the iPad has many use cases where it is superior to a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent point.
You forgot some other things to remind the Netbook users to do:

Backup all data automatically
Figure out how to sync/share iTunes libraries
Figure out how to sync photos and contacts
Figure out Windows Update so your computer is not vulnerable to viruses
Figure out the right firewall settings
Organize all of my documents
Figure out how to buy application licenses (you mean I have to find the vendor's site, register for an account, and type in my credit card info for each app?
How do I know they will protect my credit card data?
Also, I have to PAY for an upgrade?
)
Figure out how to keep all of their applications up to date
Figure out how to make Firefox zoom in and out to accommodate the small screen (good luck seeing the whole page)

I'm a software developer/architect, and even to me, all of the above things are really annoying.
I can put up with them on my laptop and desktop PCs... the computers that are designed for power usage and long use cases (word processing, software development, graphic design).
But, for reading an e-book, playing a few games, and browsing the web?
I really should not have to put up with that crap on a device that I use for 30 minutes at a time.
The "netbook experience" is basically just like using a shitty laptop.
I can think of maybe one scenario where a netbook is superior to a laptop -- when you are travelling and you don't want the extra weight.
99\% of the time, why would I not just use my good laptop (something with a decent screen size, graphics card, processor, and memory) instead?
The bottom line is, unlike a netbook, the iPad has many use cases where it is superior to a laptop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273528</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1267120380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're making the same mistake as the rest of the industry, in supposing that the features you list actually matter to the majority of the consumer base.</p><p>1. If Apple can replicate it closely enough with an onscreen keyboard, then most people won't care. It won't suffice for many (which is why my phone has a physical keyboard) but it may for most.</p><p>2. Someone who would reasonably debate an iPad vs a netbook would likely not make this a consideration.<br>3. Same as 2.<br>4. Considering that nearly every netbook is the same, often with varying (and low) build quality, yes they can be had for cheap.<br>5. Apple's selling that slipcover thingy, I suspect they'll have huge sellthrough on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.</p><p>As I stated in a previous post it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences, but it has a fair chance (especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor) among the "I just want it to work" audience, which is far, far larger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're making the same mistake as the rest of the industry , in supposing that the features you list actually matter to the majority of the consumer base.1 .
If Apple can replicate it closely enough with an onscreen keyboard , then most people wo n't care .
It wo n't suffice for many ( which is why my phone has a physical keyboard ) but it may for most.2 .
Someone who would reasonably debate an iPad vs a netbook would likely not make this a consideration.3 .
Same as 2.4 .
Considering that nearly every netbook is the same , often with varying ( and low ) build quality , yes they can be had for cheap.5 .
Apple 's selling that slipcover thingy , I suspect they 'll have huge sellthrough on it .
I would n't be surprised if there was n't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.As I stated in a previous post it likely wo n't catch on among more technical audiences , but it has a fair chance ( especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor ) among the " I just want it to work " audience , which is far , far larger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're making the same mistake as the rest of the industry, in supposing that the features you list actually matter to the majority of the consumer base.1.
If Apple can replicate it closely enough with an onscreen keyboard, then most people won't care.
It won't suffice for many (which is why my phone has a physical keyboard) but it may for most.2.
Someone who would reasonably debate an iPad vs a netbook would likely not make this a consideration.3.
Same as 2.4.
Considering that nearly every netbook is the same, often with varying (and low) build quality, yes they can be had for cheap.5.
Apple's selling that slipcover thingy, I suspect they'll have huge sellthrough on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.As I stated in a previous post it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences, but it has a fair chance (especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor) among the "I just want it to work" audience, which is far, far larger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273492</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Greg Merchan</author>
	<datestamp>1267120200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amigans agree:</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic\_User\_Interface</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amigans agree : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic \ _User \ _Interface</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amigans agree:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic\_User\_Interface</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275610</id>
	<title>Star Trek House</title>
	<author>not-my-real-name</author>
	<datestamp>1267127400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You guys are all missing the potential.  You build a Linux box that controls all the stuff in you house - lights, HVAC, whatever.  Add a bunch of sensors.  Build some web pages to control it all.  Then use your iPad (or iPod touch) to wirelessly network to it and control everything.</p><p>Sure it may not be a great standalone computer, but I bet it would work quite well as a front end controller to some other system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys are all missing the potential .
You build a Linux box that controls all the stuff in you house - lights , HVAC , whatever .
Add a bunch of sensors .
Build some web pages to control it all .
Then use your iPad ( or iPod touch ) to wirelessly network to it and control everything.Sure it may not be a great standalone computer , but I bet it would work quite well as a front end controller to some other system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys are all missing the potential.
You build a Linux box that controls all the stuff in you house - lights, HVAC, whatever.
Add a bunch of sensors.
Build some web pages to control it all.
Then use your iPad (or iPod touch) to wirelessly network to it and control everything.Sure it may not be a great standalone computer, but I bet it would work quite well as a front end controller to some other system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276264</id>
	<title>Isn't magic the reason for the iPhone selling</title>
	<author>smooth123</author>
	<datestamp>1267129860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not at all surprising, Apple magic is exactly what made everyone goo goo about the iPhone as well.
if the oroginal iPad has a camera they will not have any major new feature for the next version that comes out 9 months later.
the iPhone had some basic efunctionality missing but they include more functionality every new release,
makes people buy the new product. It's not like they couldn;t put all the features in the original release,
thats the genius of Stevo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not at all surprising , Apple magic is exactly what made everyone goo goo about the iPhone as well .
if the oroginal iPad has a camera they will not have any major new feature for the next version that comes out 9 months later .
the iPhone had some basic efunctionality missing but they include more functionality every new release , makes people buy the new product .
It 's not like they couldn ; t put all the features in the original release , thats the genius of Stevo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not at all surprising, Apple magic is exactly what made everyone goo goo about the iPhone as well.
if the oroginal iPad has a camera they will not have any major new feature for the next version that comes out 9 months later.
the iPhone had some basic efunctionality missing but they include more functionality every new release,
makes people buy the new product.
It's not like they couldn;t put all the features in the original release,
thats the genius of Stevo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278442</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>SoupIsGoodFood\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1267095540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you don't realise just how many people don't need or want a "real system" for every computer related task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you do n't realise just how many people do n't need or want a " real system " for every computer related task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you don't realise just how many people don't need or want a "real system" for every computer related task.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273346</id>
	<title>Magical Thinking</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1267119660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great minds think alike:<br> <br>
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke <br>

"We can do anything now that scientists have invented magic" - Marge Simpson</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great minds think alike : " Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic .
" - Arthur C. Clarke " We can do anything now that scientists have invented magic " - Marge Simpson</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great minds think alike: 
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
" - Arthur C. Clarke 

"We can do anything now that scientists have invented magic" - Marge Simpson</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273908</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>wzinc</author>
	<datestamp>1267121640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ipad &gt; NetBook</p><p>Why<br>1. netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ipad &gt; NetBookWhy1 .
netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ipad &gt; NetBookWhy1.
netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275796</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Asterax</author>
	<datestamp>1267128000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I completely agree with the parent.</p><p>I am going to take a liberty here and assume something, while trying to be honest and not a troll: <b>if you're reading this website, the iPad is probably not targeted toward you.</b> </p><p>A reoccurring narrative within the content presented on slashdot are progressive ideas, suggestions, fixes, hardhacks that can allow for a greater level of user customization and control. By its very nature (and a key marketing point to many Apple products) the iPad is the opposite of this. The iPad does not allow for advanced customization or unintended user control (non-removable battery, no CD/DVD drive, limited RAM/HD space, etc). </p><p>Instead, you need to think of the iPad as an appliance, like a refrigerator or vacuum. These devices are A) often found throughout the house B) do one thing at a time. The iPad is the software/hardware equivalent of this as shown by its lowered price (for Apple standards), simplified interface, and inability to multitask program and its sole purpose is to do one thing at a time.</p><p>

If you can't get by now who the target market is for this product, you're not the target demographic as the parent stated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I completely agree with the parent.I am going to take a liberty here and assume something , while trying to be honest and not a troll : if you 're reading this website , the iPad is probably not targeted toward you .
A reoccurring narrative within the content presented on slashdot are progressive ideas , suggestions , fixes , hardhacks that can allow for a greater level of user customization and control .
By its very nature ( and a key marketing point to many Apple products ) the iPad is the opposite of this .
The iPad does not allow for advanced customization or unintended user control ( non-removable battery , no CD/DVD drive , limited RAM/HD space , etc ) .
Instead , you need to think of the iPad as an appliance , like a refrigerator or vacuum .
These devices are A ) often found throughout the house B ) do one thing at a time .
The iPad is the software/hardware equivalent of this as shown by its lowered price ( for Apple standards ) , simplified interface , and inability to multitask program and its sole purpose is to do one thing at a time .
If you ca n't get by now who the target market is for this product , you 're not the target demographic as the parent stated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I completely agree with the parent.I am going to take a liberty here and assume something, while trying to be honest and not a troll: if you're reading this website, the iPad is probably not targeted toward you.
A reoccurring narrative within the content presented on slashdot are progressive ideas, suggestions, fixes, hardhacks that can allow for a greater level of user customization and control.
By its very nature (and a key marketing point to many Apple products) the iPad is the opposite of this.
The iPad does not allow for advanced customization or unintended user control (non-removable battery, no CD/DVD drive, limited RAM/HD space, etc).
Instead, you need to think of the iPad as an appliance, like a refrigerator or vacuum.
These devices are A) often found throughout the house B) do one thing at a time.
The iPad is the software/hardware equivalent of this as shown by its lowered price (for Apple standards), simplified interface, and inability to multitask program and its sole purpose is to do one thing at a time.
If you can't get by now who the target market is for this product, you're not the target demographic as the parent stated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275138</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Capt\_Morgan</author>
	<datestamp>1267125540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You haven't checked netbook sales numbers lately have you.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have n't checked netbook sales numbers lately have you.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You haven't checked netbook sales numbers lately have you.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273582</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1267120560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At first, maybe. I can't imagine a portable that doesn't close up when not in use (protecting the screen) lasting more than the 18 months or so you get out of a cell phone. You think netbook reliability is bad, let's see how this thing goes. No matter how durable this thing is, I doubt it will last long without a carrying case. And once you have a case, you haven't really saved any space or convenience over a keyboard. Now you've got this case to keep track of whenever you take it out of your bag.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At first , maybe .
I ca n't imagine a portable that does n't close up when not in use ( protecting the screen ) lasting more than the 18 months or so you get out of a cell phone .
You think netbook reliability is bad , let 's see how this thing goes .
No matter how durable this thing is , I doubt it will last long without a carrying case .
And once you have a case , you have n't really saved any space or convenience over a keyboard .
Now you 've got this case to keep track of whenever you take it out of your bag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first, maybe.
I can't imagine a portable that doesn't close up when not in use (protecting the screen) lasting more than the 18 months or so you get out of a cell phone.
You think netbook reliability is bad, let's see how this thing goes.
No matter how durable this thing is, I doubt it will last long without a carrying case.
And once you have a case, you haven't really saved any space or convenience over a keyboard.
Now you've got this case to keep track of whenever you take it out of your bag.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274268</id>
	<title>Re:Magic Missile?</title>
	<author>Dracos</author>
	<datestamp>1267122720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Material components: golf club.  This spell was first created by Daniel Tosh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Material components : golf club .
This spell was first created by Daniel Tosh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Material components: golf club.
This spell was first created by Daniel Tosh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31279380</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267100160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... do you feel like an imbecile because you can't run Photoshop on your Tivo?  Grand Theft Auto on your in-car entertainment system?  MSN Chat on your iPod?  Mathematica on your PS3?  It must suck being you!<br>You would have a point if the iPad was your *only* computing device, or even your *main* computer, but as it is you sound just like a clueless regurgitator of poorly formulated memes.  Perhaps there's a reason after all that "they" treat you like an imbecile!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ... do you feel like an imbecile because you ca n't run Photoshop on your Tivo ?
Grand Theft Auto on your in-car entertainment system ?
MSN Chat on your iPod ?
Mathematica on your PS3 ?
It must suck being you ! You would have a point if the iPad was your * only * computing device , or even your * main * computer , but as it is you sound just like a clueless regurgitator of poorly formulated memes .
Perhaps there 's a reason after all that " they " treat you like an imbecile !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So ... do you feel like an imbecile because you can't run Photoshop on your Tivo?
Grand Theft Auto on your in-car entertainment system?
MSN Chat on your iPod?
Mathematica on your PS3?
It must suck being you!You would have a point if the iPad was your *only* computing device, or even your *main* computer, but as it is you sound just like a clueless regurgitator of poorly formulated memes.
Perhaps there's a reason after all that "they" treat you like an imbecile!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275180</id>
	<title>Magic / More Magic</title>
	<author>Dripdry</author>
	<datestamp>1267125720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As long as there's a "More Magic" switch I will be happy, and I'm not even going to buy one!</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as there 's a " More Magic " switch I will be happy , and I 'm not even going to buy one !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as there's a "More Magic" switch I will be happy, and I'm not even going to buy one!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273262</id>
	<title>That Explains The Updated SDK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple has finally made the 'magic' API public. Using non-public API's was a big issue for developers but <i>now</i> it's gonna be all better. Really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple has finally made the 'magic ' API public .
Using non-public API 's was a big issue for developers but now it 's gon na be all better .
Really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple has finally made the 'magic' API public.
Using non-public API's was a big issue for developers but now it's gonna be all better.
Really.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277190</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267090380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ipad &gt; NetBook</p><p>1: Ipad is sleek, doesn't require attached peripherals<br>2: Ipad has an optimized OS<br>3: Ipad can ensure application performance<br>4: Ipad retail price comparable or cheaper than most netbooks<br>5: Ipad is always available</p><p>I can keep going, but the ipad is not a PC replacement.  The non multi-tasking allows the OS to ensure application performance and lowers power consumption</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ipad &gt; NetBook1 : Ipad is sleek , does n't require attached peripherals2 : Ipad has an optimized OS3 : Ipad can ensure application performance4 : Ipad retail price comparable or cheaper than most netbooks5 : Ipad is always availableI can keep going , but the ipad is not a PC replacement .
The non multi-tasking allows the OS to ensure application performance and lowers power consumption</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ipad &gt; NetBook1: Ipad is sleek, doesn't require attached peripherals2: Ipad has an optimized OS3: Ipad can ensure application performance4: Ipad retail price comparable or cheaper than most netbooks5: Ipad is always availableI can keep going, but the ipad is not a PC replacement.
The non multi-tasking allows the OS to ensure application performance and lowers power consumption</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277396</id>
	<title>Ok Folks.  We know that this has potential...</title>
	<author>Slutticus</author>
	<datestamp>1267091280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...potential to be the ultimate porn entertainment device.  However, before this day comes, apple needs to realize a few things.

For a fully immersive porn experimence....the ipad will requre a few upgrades.

1.  Flash
2.  Webcam
3.  non-smear screen

The touch screen is a huge bonus (interactive porn...can I patent that????)</htmltext>
<tokenext>...potential to be the ultimate porn entertainment device .
However , before this day comes , apple needs to realize a few things .
For a fully immersive porn experimence....the ipad will requre a few upgrades .
1. Flash 2 .
Webcam 3. non-smear screen The touch screen is a huge bonus ( interactive porn...can I patent that ? ? ? ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...potential to be the ultimate porn entertainment device.
However, before this day comes, apple needs to realize a few things.
For a fully immersive porn experimence....the ipad will requre a few upgrades.
1.  Flash
2.
Webcam
3.  non-smear screen

The touch screen is a huge bonus (interactive porn...can I patent that????
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277682</id>
	<title>Any sufficiently advanced</title>
	<author>karstdiver</author>
	<datestamp>1267092660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>technology is indistinguishable from magic.  Maybe the iPAD is sufficiently advanced for most consumers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>technology is indistinguishable from magic .
Maybe the iPAD is sufficiently advanced for most consumers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Maybe the iPAD is sufficiently advanced for most consumers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276136</id>
	<title>Fanboys hexed?</title>
	<author>ElmoGonzo</author>
	<datestamp>1267129440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Magic eh?  Good magic -- like Glinda finally telling Dorothy about the magic ruby slippers or DARK MAGIC that enslaves Death Eaters to the Dark Lord who determnes what apps they are allowed to buy from the AppStore in Diagon Alley?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Magic eh ?
Good magic -- like Glinda finally telling Dorothy about the magic ruby slippers or DARK MAGIC that enslaves Death Eaters to the Dark Lord who determnes what apps they are allowed to buy from the AppStore in Diagon Alley ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Magic eh?
Good magic -- like Glinda finally telling Dorothy about the magic ruby slippers or DARK MAGIC that enslaves Death Eaters to the Dark Lord who determnes what apps they are allowed to buy from the AppStore in Diagon Alley?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277060</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Cyberllama</author>
	<datestamp>1267089780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>5 bucks says it will win when it does more.</p><p>The people lining up to buy this device in its first gen, 1.0 Firmware form will be hardcore Apple fanboys.  And after they've all bought one, the general interest will wane.  There will be a quick price drop, followed by newer firmware with missing features added.</p><p>By the time the 2nd gen device rolls around, it'll do most of the things it's currently being criticized for not doing and it may well indeed take off and be a success.</p><p>Frankly, however, my grandmother won't buy an iPad.  Not ever.  First of all, the "i" scares her,; "i" says to her, "you will not understand what this product does, not ever, don't even try".  Secondly, the "pad" offends her.  Ultimately, Macs are, in general, computers for your grandmother -- but how many grandmothers actually have one? In my experience, Gradmothers tend to prefer "cheap" to "polished UI".  It's hard to sell "polished UI".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>5 bucks says it will win when it does more.The people lining up to buy this device in its first gen , 1.0 Firmware form will be hardcore Apple fanboys .
And after they 've all bought one , the general interest will wane .
There will be a quick price drop , followed by newer firmware with missing features added.By the time the 2nd gen device rolls around , it 'll do most of the things it 's currently being criticized for not doing and it may well indeed take off and be a success.Frankly , however , my grandmother wo n't buy an iPad .
Not ever .
First of all , the " i " scares her , ; " i " says to her , " you will not understand what this product does , not ever , do n't even try " .
Secondly , the " pad " offends her .
Ultimately , Macs are , in general , computers for your grandmother -- but how many grandmothers actually have one ?
In my experience , Gradmothers tend to prefer " cheap " to " polished UI " .
It 's hard to sell " polished UI " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5 bucks says it will win when it does more.The people lining up to buy this device in its first gen, 1.0 Firmware form will be hardcore Apple fanboys.
And after they've all bought one, the general interest will wane.
There will be a quick price drop, followed by newer firmware with missing features added.By the time the 2nd gen device rolls around, it'll do most of the things it's currently being criticized for not doing and it may well indeed take off and be a success.Frankly, however, my grandmother won't buy an iPad.
Not ever.
First of all, the "i" scares her,; "i" says to her, "you will not understand what this product does, not ever, don't even try".
Secondly, the "pad" offends her.
Ultimately, Macs are, in general, computers for your grandmother -- but how many grandmothers actually have one?
In my experience, Gradmothers tend to prefer "cheap" to "polished UI".
It's hard to sell "polished UI".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274920</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1267124760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it could stream directly from my iTunes library instead of only playing sync'd files, then yeah, it would be a perfect home media player.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it could stream directly from my iTunes library instead of only playing sync 'd files , then yeah , it would be a perfect home media player .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it could stream directly from my iTunes library instead of only playing sync'd files, then yeah, it would be a perfect home media player.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273756</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267121160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A couple points:</p><p>First, touchscreen technology has come a long way in recent years (largely thanks to the iPhone showing what's possible in a consumer device), so provided the screen is just large enough to fit both hands on it I could see touch typing working out fine - my little HTC Hero picks up my keypresses amazingly well, and I have fat sausage fingers.  Lack of actual keys will be a bit unfamiliar, perhaps, but consumers will get over any initial difficulty with the "coolness" factor.</p><p>Second, keeping the first point in mind, touchscreen PC's have been around for years and have always been a niche device precisely because of its form factor.  They just aren't that useful except in certain circumstances.  For example, they are easier to use while standing, but much more awkward while sitting at a table, and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap.  They are great for hand writing notes and drawing, but no matter how well they do an on-screen keyboard typing will never be as good on a tablet as on a laptop or even a netbook, for the simple fact that the screen will be in a much more awkward position.</p><p>That's not to say it won't do well, I'd just be very surprised if an iPad style touchscreen class of devices became anywhere near as popular as the netbook has been.</p><p>Now, if they were really good they'd ship it with a stand and a built-in projector keyboard.  That wouldn't fix the lap-issue, but it would do a lot to make it a more versatile device like the netbooks are, and it would have massive coolness factor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple points : First , touchscreen technology has come a long way in recent years ( largely thanks to the iPhone showing what 's possible in a consumer device ) , so provided the screen is just large enough to fit both hands on it I could see touch typing working out fine - my little HTC Hero picks up my keypresses amazingly well , and I have fat sausage fingers .
Lack of actual keys will be a bit unfamiliar , perhaps , but consumers will get over any initial difficulty with the " coolness " factor.Second , keeping the first point in mind , touchscreen PC 's have been around for years and have always been a niche device precisely because of its form factor .
They just are n't that useful except in certain circumstances .
For example , they are easier to use while standing , but much more awkward while sitting at a table , and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap .
They are great for hand writing notes and drawing , but no matter how well they do an on-screen keyboard typing will never be as good on a tablet as on a laptop or even a netbook , for the simple fact that the screen will be in a much more awkward position.That 's not to say it wo n't do well , I 'd just be very surprised if an iPad style touchscreen class of devices became anywhere near as popular as the netbook has been.Now , if they were really good they 'd ship it with a stand and a built-in projector keyboard .
That would n't fix the lap-issue , but it would do a lot to make it a more versatile device like the netbooks are , and it would have massive coolness factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple points:First, touchscreen technology has come a long way in recent years (largely thanks to the iPhone showing what's possible in a consumer device), so provided the screen is just large enough to fit both hands on it I could see touch typing working out fine - my little HTC Hero picks up my keypresses amazingly well, and I have fat sausage fingers.
Lack of actual keys will be a bit unfamiliar, perhaps, but consumers will get over any initial difficulty with the "coolness" factor.Second, keeping the first point in mind, touchscreen PC's have been around for years and have always been a niche device precisely because of its form factor.
They just aren't that useful except in certain circumstances.
For example, they are easier to use while standing, but much more awkward while sitting at a table, and quite frankly a bit absurd while resting it in your lap.
They are great for hand writing notes and drawing, but no matter how well they do an on-screen keyboard typing will never be as good on a tablet as on a laptop or even a netbook, for the simple fact that the screen will be in a much more awkward position.That's not to say it won't do well, I'd just be very surprised if an iPad style touchscreen class of devices became anywhere near as popular as the netbook has been.Now, if they were really good they'd ship it with a stand and a built-in projector keyboard.
That wouldn't fix the lap-issue, but it would do a lot to make it a more versatile device like the netbooks are, and it would have massive coolness factor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277336</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1267091040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The true iPad Nano will be touch sensitive, but have no screen or interface of any kind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The true iPad Nano will be touch sensitive , but have no screen or interface of any kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The true iPad Nano will be touch sensitive, but have no screen or interface of any kind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274352</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Orange Crush</author>
	<datestamp>1267123080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the ebook idea was kinda clever, but then I read an ebook on an LCD screen for the first time a few days ago.  It's not an experience I'd care to repeat.  If the iPad had a color e-ink display that was also good enough to do video, then we'd have a killer device, but those kinds of displays don't quite exist yet.</p><p>It's not a netbook, it's not an eReader.  I'm increasingly beginning to believe it's a solution in search of a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the ebook idea was kinda clever , but then I read an ebook on an LCD screen for the first time a few days ago .
It 's not an experience I 'd care to repeat .
If the iPad had a color e-ink display that was also good enough to do video , then we 'd have a killer device , but those kinds of displays do n't quite exist yet.It 's not a netbook , it 's not an eReader .
I 'm increasingly beginning to believe it 's a solution in search of a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the ebook idea was kinda clever, but then I read an ebook on an LCD screen for the first time a few days ago.
It's not an experience I'd care to repeat.
If the iPad had a color e-ink display that was also good enough to do video, then we'd have a killer device, but those kinds of displays don't quite exist yet.It's not a netbook, it's not an eReader.
I'm increasingly beginning to believe it's a solution in search of a problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277322</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1267090920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So explain to me what it is then? What does one <i>do</i> with the iPad? Watch YouTube all day? Because that's all I've heard out of the apple gallery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So explain to me what it is then ?
What does one do with the iPad ?
Watch YouTube all day ?
Because that 's all I 've heard out of the apple gallery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So explain to me what it is then?
What does one do with the iPad?
Watch YouTube all day?
Because that's all I've heard out of the apple gallery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274194</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1267122480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's absolute crap for listening to music (limited storage space, crappy tinny speaker, etc)</i></p><p>Storage space I can see being a problem if you have a huge library of music and/or videos, but crappy tinny speaker as a criticism? Buy a pair of earphones or a speaker dock!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's absolute crap for listening to music ( limited storage space , crappy tinny speaker , etc ) Storage space I can see being a problem if you have a huge library of music and/or videos , but crappy tinny speaker as a criticism ?
Buy a pair of earphones or a speaker dock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's absolute crap for listening to music (limited storage space, crappy tinny speaker, etc)Storage space I can see being a problem if you have a huge library of music and/or videos, but crappy tinny speaker as a criticism?
Buy a pair of earphones or a speaker dock!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274628</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently got an ipod tocuh myself, and it's a nice device.  The gestures work great and for the most part the UI is well thought out.  I did run into some glaring problems with it the first hour out of the box. First, I couldn't even turn the thing on before hooking it up to a comptuer with itunes running.  At least give me the option to do it later.  The second thing I wanted to do was go download some apps and see what people have been coming up with.  It took me about an hour to figure out how to get an appstore account set up without having to use a CC. During this process, the device froze up a couple of times.  This isn't the type of thing I expect from a device that's supposed to be top of the line.</p><p>The only thing I can compare the store experience to is XBox Live. I think subscribing to XBox live took me a total of about 5 minutes and after that I was up and running installing games.  And that's really what I expect.  I shouldn't have to do a web search to find out how to do something simple like download a free app from the store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently got an ipod tocuh myself , and it 's a nice device .
The gestures work great and for the most part the UI is well thought out .
I did run into some glaring problems with it the first hour out of the box .
First , I could n't even turn the thing on before hooking it up to a comptuer with itunes running .
At least give me the option to do it later .
The second thing I wanted to do was go download some apps and see what people have been coming up with .
It took me about an hour to figure out how to get an appstore account set up without having to use a CC .
During this process , the device froze up a couple of times .
This is n't the type of thing I expect from a device that 's supposed to be top of the line.The only thing I can compare the store experience to is XBox Live .
I think subscribing to XBox live took me a total of about 5 minutes and after that I was up and running installing games .
And that 's really what I expect .
I should n't have to do a web search to find out how to do something simple like download a free app from the store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently got an ipod tocuh myself, and it's a nice device.
The gestures work great and for the most part the UI is well thought out.
I did run into some glaring problems with it the first hour out of the box.
First, I couldn't even turn the thing on before hooking it up to a comptuer with itunes running.
At least give me the option to do it later.
The second thing I wanted to do was go download some apps and see what people have been coming up with.
It took me about an hour to figure out how to get an appstore account set up without having to use a CC.
During this process, the device froze up a couple of times.
This isn't the type of thing I expect from a device that's supposed to be top of the line.The only thing I can compare the store experience to is XBox Live.
I think subscribing to XBox live took me a total of about 5 minutes and after that I was up and running installing games.
And that's really what I expect.
I shouldn't have to do a web search to find out how to do something simple like download a free app from the store.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280626</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>dcam</author>
	<datestamp>1267109700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never looked at the manual for my iphone. I gave it without any instructions on usage to my sister in law to have a look at to see how it worked. She had no trouble with it, including opening maps and providing directions.</p><p>The other day sitting down to dinner in a nice restaurant I saw one ~70 year old lady showing another ~70 year old lady photos on her iphone.</p><p>Apply has produced a product almost anyone can use and I think the ipad will be similar. That is worth real money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never looked at the manual for my iphone .
I gave it without any instructions on usage to my sister in law to have a look at to see how it worked .
She had no trouble with it , including opening maps and providing directions.The other day sitting down to dinner in a nice restaurant I saw one ~ 70 year old lady showing another ~ 70 year old lady photos on her iphone.Apply has produced a product almost anyone can use and I think the ipad will be similar .
That is worth real money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never looked at the manual for my iphone.
I gave it without any instructions on usage to my sister in law to have a look at to see how it worked.
She had no trouble with it, including opening maps and providing directions.The other day sitting down to dinner in a nice restaurant I saw one ~70 year old lady showing another ~70 year old lady photos on her iphone.Apply has produced a product almost anyone can use and I think the ipad will be similar.
That is worth real money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277446</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Haeleth</author>
	<datestamp>1267091400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My grandmother won't get a netbook. She will get an iPad.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm sorry your grandma is incapable of learning to use modern technology.  Mine gets by just fine with a real computer.</p><blockquote><div><p>Until you understand that concept, stay in your sheltered Netbook world. Oh, and update your virus definitions. And defrag your disk. Be sure to reboot today.</p></div></blockquote><p>What virus definitions?  My netbook is no more at risk from viruses than an iPad would be.  What is "defragging"?  Playing Quake backwards?  And why would I need to reboot?  There hasn't been a kernel update today, has there?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My grandmother wo n't get a netbook .
She will get an iPad.I 'm sorry your grandma is incapable of learning to use modern technology .
Mine gets by just fine with a real computer.Until you understand that concept , stay in your sheltered Netbook world .
Oh , and update your virus definitions .
And defrag your disk .
Be sure to reboot today.What virus definitions ?
My netbook is no more at risk from viruses than an iPad would be .
What is " defragging " ?
Playing Quake backwards ?
And why would I need to reboot ?
There has n't been a kernel update today , has there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My grandmother won't get a netbook.
She will get an iPad.I'm sorry your grandma is incapable of learning to use modern technology.
Mine gets by just fine with a real computer.Until you understand that concept, stay in your sheltered Netbook world.
Oh, and update your virus definitions.
And defrag your disk.
Be sure to reboot today.What virus definitions?
My netbook is no more at risk from viruses than an iPad would be.
What is "defragging"?
Playing Quake backwards?
And why would I need to reboot?
There hasn't been a kernel update today, has there?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275082</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>mblase</author>
	<datestamp>1267125360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You missed the most important thing: a netbook will run any application I want it to run.</i></p><p>No, it will run any application designed for that operating system and hardware configuration. Good luck installing iPhoto on one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the most important thing : a netbook will run any application I want it to run.No , it will run any application designed for that operating system and hardware configuration .
Good luck installing iPhoto on one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the most important thing: a netbook will run any application I want it to run.No, it will run any application designed for that operating system and hardware configuration.
Good luck installing iPhoto on one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273840</id>
	<title>Master Jobs</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1267121340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This isn't the netbooks you are looking for. Move along."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is n't the netbooks you are looking for .
Move along .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This isn't the netbooks you are looking for.
Move along.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274876</id>
	<title>Manic Apple Goons Intimidating Competition</title>
	<author>meist3r</author>
	<datestamp>1267124640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>with Business Advanced Touch features.</htmltext>
<tokenext>with Business Advanced Touch features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with Business Advanced Touch features.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274610</id>
	<title>Well, duh...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1267123800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without the reality distortion bubble (massive delusion and viral marketing), nobody with a healthy mind would buy those overpriced Apple products anyway. (Or MS products for that matter.)</p><p>I only think, that their own delusion made them fly a biit too high, so that they think they can take over the whole netbook market.<br>I&rsquo;m sorry Apple. You&rsquo;re good, but not <em>that</em> good.<br>Because of the simple fact that most of us simply don&rsquo;t <em>have</em> the money to buy in iPad, when a cheap Taiwanese netbook or a smartphone will do the job for a quarter of the price, AND offer more freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without the reality distortion bubble ( massive delusion and viral marketing ) , nobody with a healthy mind would buy those overpriced Apple products anyway .
( Or MS products for that matter .
) I only think , that their own delusion made them fly a biit too high , so that they think they can take over the whole netbook market.I    m sorry Apple .
You    re good , but not that good.Because of the simple fact that most of us simply don    t have the money to buy in iPad , when a cheap Taiwanese netbook or a smartphone will do the job for a quarter of the price , AND offer more freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without the reality distortion bubble (massive delusion and viral marketing), nobody with a healthy mind would buy those overpriced Apple products anyway.
(Or MS products for that matter.
)I only think, that their own delusion made them fly a biit too high, so that they think they can take over the whole netbook market.I’m sorry Apple.
You’re good, but not that good.Because of the simple fact that most of us simply don’t have the money to buy in iPad, when a cheap Taiwanese netbook or a smartphone will do the job for a quarter of the price, AND offer more freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31281708</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1267121700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> As I stated in a previous post it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences, but it has a fair chance (especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor) among the "I just want it to work" audience, which is far, far larger</p></div><p>A lot of us geeks like things that just work, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As I stated in a previous post it likely wo n't catch on among more technical audiences , but it has a fair chance ( especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor ) among the " I just want it to work " audience , which is far , far largerA lot of us geeks like things that just work , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> As I stated in a previous post it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences, but it has a fair chance (especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor) among the "I just want it to work" audience, which is far, far largerA lot of us geeks like things that just work, too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273968</id>
	<title>The magic of typing</title>
	<author>AxelBoldt</author>
	<datestamp>1267121820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>and experience the magic of using it... </em> </p></div>
</blockquote><p>

I guess you should ask them again once they have used the ipad to type in twenty email messages or blog comments.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and experience the magic of using it.. . I guess you should ask them again once they have used the ipad to type in twenty email messages or blog comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> and experience the magic of using it...  


I guess you should ask them again once they have used the ipad to type in twenty email messages or blog comments.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274738</id>
	<title>Slashdotters we have to remember....</title>
	<author>Torontoman</author>
	<datestamp>1267124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All shortcomings aside with the Ipad... It is designed for the masses. It's slick 'to them' and will sell like crazy.  Your average person doesn't care how it works just as long as it works.</p><p>And in reality Apple is truly gearing up to sell a lot of TV shows over the Ipad... It will be a new TV watching experience.</p><p>Torontoman</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All shortcomings aside with the Ipad... It is designed for the masses .
It 's slick 'to them ' and will sell like crazy .
Your average person does n't care how it works just as long as it works.And in reality Apple is truly gearing up to sell a lot of TV shows over the Ipad... It will be a new TV watching experience.Torontoman</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All shortcomings aside with the Ipad... It is designed for the masses.
It's slick 'to them' and will sell like crazy.
Your average person doesn't care how it works just as long as it works.And in reality Apple is truly gearing up to sell a lot of TV shows over the Ipad... It will be a new TV watching experience.Torontoman</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277262</id>
	<title>Probably it's biggest power will be content?</title>
	<author>yoma666</author>
	<datestamp>1267090680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they manage to play the content tune as they did with the whole Ipod thing, they'll win and indeed it will be "magic" to a lot of people.
Before the Ipod there where (and still are) many an mp3 player.

The silly thing about them is that it was "hard" for too many people to get decent content onto them, so they made their ITunes service.
I personally would not need a device that gives me that kind of service, but probably this thing will hook into all mayor written media outlets and try to replace books, newspapers, magazines, whatever.

The only thing that would make an Ipad an actual valueable asset is if they can turn it into a book you can surf on.
All the stuff I've picked up about it so far is actually pointing in that direction. It's not aimed to replace netbooks, it's aimed to replace books, while still giving some other usage options.

Isn't this an E-reader you can surf on? Something you can lay in bed with and read from?
I bet the next step will be an introduction of an IRead service that in due time will try to do the same with written media as it has done with music.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they manage to play the content tune as they did with the whole Ipod thing , they 'll win and indeed it will be " magic " to a lot of people .
Before the Ipod there where ( and still are ) many an mp3 player .
The silly thing about them is that it was " hard " for too many people to get decent content onto them , so they made their ITunes service .
I personally would not need a device that gives me that kind of service , but probably this thing will hook into all mayor written media outlets and try to replace books , newspapers , magazines , whatever .
The only thing that would make an Ipad an actual valueable asset is if they can turn it into a book you can surf on .
All the stuff I 've picked up about it so far is actually pointing in that direction .
It 's not aimed to replace netbooks , it 's aimed to replace books , while still giving some other usage options .
Is n't this an E-reader you can surf on ?
Something you can lay in bed with and read from ?
I bet the next step will be an introduction of an IRead service that in due time will try to do the same with written media as it has done with music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they manage to play the content tune as they did with the whole Ipod thing, they'll win and indeed it will be "magic" to a lot of people.
Before the Ipod there where (and still are) many an mp3 player.
The silly thing about them is that it was "hard" for too many people to get decent content onto them, so they made their ITunes service.
I personally would not need a device that gives me that kind of service, but probably this thing will hook into all mayor written media outlets and try to replace books, newspapers, magazines, whatever.
The only thing that would make an Ipad an actual valueable asset is if they can turn it into a book you can surf on.
All the stuff I've picked up about it so far is actually pointing in that direction.
It's not aimed to replace netbooks, it's aimed to replace books, while still giving some other usage options.
Isn't this an E-reader you can surf on?
Something you can lay in bed with and read from?
I bet the next step will be an introduction of an IRead service that in due time will try to do the same with written media as it has done with music.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275022</id>
	<title>I think not... i'll keep an open device, thank you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267125180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My netbook does whatever I want it to. I can install any software that the hardware is capable of running, and it just works. I also don't have to pay extra for basic functionality like the ability to use it as a glorified wifi dongle when the situation requires it. It has a camera and it was $258!</p><p>I don't understand this fad of buying crippled devices and then being charged nickles and dimes to restore functionality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My netbook does whatever I want it to .
I can install any software that the hardware is capable of running , and it just works .
I also do n't have to pay extra for basic functionality like the ability to use it as a glorified wifi dongle when the situation requires it .
It has a camera and it was $ 258 ! I do n't understand this fad of buying crippled devices and then being charged nickles and dimes to restore functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My netbook does whatever I want it to.
I can install any software that the hardware is capable of running, and it just works.
I also don't have to pay extra for basic functionality like the ability to use it as a glorified wifi dongle when the situation requires it.
It has a camera and it was $258!I don't understand this fad of buying crippled devices and then being charged nickles and dimes to restore functionality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274030</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1267122000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a huge difference in scale here.</p><p>The iPhone and iPod Touch work well because touchscreens work well when held in one hand and manipulated with another (or held in both and manipulated with both).</p><p>Apple may be good at UI design, but once you start setting the iPad down because it is too big to keep holding all the time, things will start to get annoying in a hurry.  Laptops are bad enough without a stand as far as neck-strain and the like are concerned when you don't have a stand, a touchscreen PC will be significantly worse, and no UI can make up for that.</p><p>This is basically going to be a pretty expensive device that will do a handful of things much better and a whole lot of things much worse.  I honestly think most people who use this after a while are going to say "It's great but..." and look at either a straight up laptop, or look at netbooks like the EEE PC T91, which is a swivel style touchscreen, and costs less than the iPad will.  If the touchscreen is as good as I think it will be, the major effect of the iPad will be to improve touchscreens on larger devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a huge difference in scale here.The iPhone and iPod Touch work well because touchscreens work well when held in one hand and manipulated with another ( or held in both and manipulated with both ) .Apple may be good at UI design , but once you start setting the iPad down because it is too big to keep holding all the time , things will start to get annoying in a hurry .
Laptops are bad enough without a stand as far as neck-strain and the like are concerned when you do n't have a stand , a touchscreen PC will be significantly worse , and no UI can make up for that.This is basically going to be a pretty expensive device that will do a handful of things much better and a whole lot of things much worse .
I honestly think most people who use this after a while are going to say " It 's great but... " and look at either a straight up laptop , or look at netbooks like the EEE PC T91 , which is a swivel style touchscreen , and costs less than the iPad will .
If the touchscreen is as good as I think it will be , the major effect of the iPad will be to improve touchscreens on larger devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a huge difference in scale here.The iPhone and iPod Touch work well because touchscreens work well when held in one hand and manipulated with another (or held in both and manipulated with both).Apple may be good at UI design, but once you start setting the iPad down because it is too big to keep holding all the time, things will start to get annoying in a hurry.
Laptops are bad enough without a stand as far as neck-strain and the like are concerned when you don't have a stand, a touchscreen PC will be significantly worse, and no UI can make up for that.This is basically going to be a pretty expensive device that will do a handful of things much better and a whole lot of things much worse.
I honestly think most people who use this after a while are going to say "It's great but..." and look at either a straight up laptop, or look at netbooks like the EEE PC T91, which is a swivel style touchscreen, and costs less than the iPad will.
If the touchscreen is as good as I think it will be, the major effect of the iPad will be to improve touchscreens on larger devices.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273406</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273428</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1267120020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You missed the most important thing:  a netbook will run any application I want it to run.  I do not need someone's permission to run the programs I want to run.  No app stores, no being denied software, no being treated like an imbecile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the most important thing : a netbook will run any application I want it to run .
I do not need someone 's permission to run the programs I want to run .
No app stores , no being denied software , no being treated like an imbecile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the most important thing:  a netbook will run any application I want it to run.
I do not need someone's permission to run the programs I want to run.
No app stores, no being denied software, no being treated like an imbecile.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273772</id>
	<title>Magic Missile?</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1267121160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll start with <i>magic missile</i>, please.  (Also, <i>sleep</i> is a popular entry-level choice.)</p><p>And I believe <i>read magic</i>, <i>write magic</i>, and <i>cantrip</i> are bundled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll start with magic missile , please .
( Also , sleep is a popular entry-level choice .
) And I believe read magic , write magic , and cantrip are bundled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll start with magic missile, please.
(Also, sleep is a popular entry-level choice.
)And I believe read magic, write magic, and cantrip are bundled.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276744</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1267088640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My grandmother won't get a netbook. She will get an iPad.</p></div><p>grandmothers are not their target demo. grandmothers aren't going out and buying trendy unproven devices that cost $600. they are on fixed incomes and come from a time period where spending that type of money on a "toy" is unthinkable. yes, she thinks of it as a toy not a necessity. she grew up without a cell phone or computer and did just fine. her mindset is different. she doesn't care about being trendy.</p><p>the target demo is the 20-40 year old crowd. they are working. they have money. being trendy is important. and here's where you should pay attention: they grew up with computers. they are comfortable with them, unlike your grandma. they expect multitasking and use keyboards to type. my wife fits that demo. on scale of 1-10 she's about a 2.5 in terms of computer savviness. here are some of her questions about the ipad:</p><p>* there's no keyboard how do i type an email?<br>* but it looks just like the iphone (she has one of those)<br>* does it run excel?</p><p>all valid, and typical questions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My grandmother wo n't get a netbook .
She will get an iPad.grandmothers are not their target demo .
grandmothers are n't going out and buying trendy unproven devices that cost $ 600 .
they are on fixed incomes and come from a time period where spending that type of money on a " toy " is unthinkable .
yes , she thinks of it as a toy not a necessity .
she grew up without a cell phone or computer and did just fine .
her mindset is different .
she does n't care about being trendy.the target demo is the 20-40 year old crowd .
they are working .
they have money .
being trendy is important .
and here 's where you should pay attention : they grew up with computers .
they are comfortable with them , unlike your grandma .
they expect multitasking and use keyboards to type .
my wife fits that demo .
on scale of 1-10 she 's about a 2.5 in terms of computer savviness .
here are some of her questions about the ipad : * there 's no keyboard how do i type an email ?
* but it looks just like the iphone ( she has one of those ) * does it run excel ? all valid , and typical questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My grandmother won't get a netbook.
She will get an iPad.grandmothers are not their target demo.
grandmothers aren't going out and buying trendy unproven devices that cost $600.
they are on fixed incomes and come from a time period where spending that type of money on a "toy" is unthinkable.
yes, she thinks of it as a toy not a necessity.
she grew up without a cell phone or computer and did just fine.
her mindset is different.
she doesn't care about being trendy.the target demo is the 20-40 year old crowd.
they are working.
they have money.
being trendy is important.
and here's where you should pay attention: they grew up with computers.
they are comfortable with them, unlike your grandma.
they expect multitasking and use keyboards to type.
my wife fits that demo.
on scale of 1-10 she's about a 2.5 in terms of computer savviness.
here are some of her questions about the ipad:* there's no keyboard how do i type an email?
* but it looks just like the iphone (she has one of those)* does it run excel?all valid, and typical questions.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273972</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275286</id>
	<title>Mana source?</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1267126260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Powered by Mana huh? I did a quick web search, and have been unable to find any reliable source of Mana, I even tried to see of there were any Mana fuel cells. I find some sites referring to Mana, but they all offered incompatible solutions. Maybe the iPad is powered by Steve's RDF, though I am not sure that it can be considered a class off magic? Maybe its uses Quantum power, so it is simultaneously flat and charged at the same time. Hmm, I think I need to patent such a device, though its possible that the Arctic already provides the necessary conditions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Powered by Mana huh ?
I did a quick web search , and have been unable to find any reliable source of Mana , I even tried to see of there were any Mana fuel cells .
I find some sites referring to Mana , but they all offered incompatible solutions .
Maybe the iPad is powered by Steve 's RDF , though I am not sure that it can be considered a class off magic ?
Maybe its uses Quantum power , so it is simultaneously flat and charged at the same time .
Hmm , I think I need to patent such a device , though its possible that the Arctic already provides the necessary conditions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Powered by Mana huh?
I did a quick web search, and have been unable to find any reliable source of Mana, I even tried to see of there were any Mana fuel cells.
I find some sites referring to Mana, but they all offered incompatible solutions.
Maybe the iPad is powered by Steve's RDF, though I am not sure that it can be considered a class off magic?
Maybe its uses Quantum power, so it is simultaneously flat and charged at the same time.
Hmm, I think I need to patent such a device, though its possible that the Arctic already provides the necessary conditions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273320</id>
	<title>Err...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>To a regular netbook person the magic is price... They are barking up a wrong tree, if the intend to compete with netbooks without competitive price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To a regular netbook person the magic is price... They are barking up a wrong tree , if the intend to compete with netbooks without competitive price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To a regular netbook person the magic is price... They are barking up a wrong tree, if the intend to compete with netbooks without competitive price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275272</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1267126200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><strong>what I don't like about a netbook:

keyboard too small for real typing
not much cheaper than an introductory laptop
lousy processing and ram compared to same introductory laptop
made of same low quality parts as same introductory laptop
windows sucks on small screens</strong></htmltext>
<tokenext>what I do n't like about a netbook : keyboard too small for real typing not much cheaper than an introductory laptop lousy processing and ram compared to same introductory laptop made of same low quality parts as same introductory laptop windows sucks on small screens</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what I don't like about a netbook:

keyboard too small for real typing
not much cheaper than an introductory laptop
lousy processing and ram compared to same introductory laptop
made of same low quality parts as same introductory laptop
windows sucks on small screens</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274656</id>
	<title>Re:Sales?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the apple store where i live has been doing well with that strategy for years. kids line up to play with macbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the apple store where i live has been doing well with that strategy for years .
kids line up to play with macbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the apple store where i live has been doing well with that strategy for years.
kids line up to play with macbooks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273298</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274892</id>
	<title>WRONG!</title>
	<author>eWarz</author>
	<datestamp>1267124700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, I'm probably going to get modded down for this, but i have to say it anyway.  To all you people keep saying how horrible the iPad is and how it's going to fail.  You are wrong.  Way wrong.   Not only is the iPad going to totally succeed, but it's probably going to change computing as we know it.  As people start using the closed iPad architecture, Apple will introduce more and more gadgets that use this architecture until they completely replace windows machines for most users.  Sure they'll always be us geeks that prefer an open architecture, but for most users (my mom, your mom, etc.) the iPad does enough.  You shouldn't stand in the way of this transition.  It means no more tech support calls.  No more 'my computer is full of viruses, can you fix it?' questions.  This is the best thing that could ever possibly happen.

Oh, and the iPad has a keyboard add-on, so all you people that say it has no keyboard, shut your holes.

Disclaimer:  No, i don't have a mac, No, I don't have an iPhone.  I do however have an iPod touch and love it.  However, nothing could ever replace my blackberry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I 'm probably going to get modded down for this , but i have to say it anyway .
To all you people keep saying how horrible the iPad is and how it 's going to fail .
You are wrong .
Way wrong .
Not only is the iPad going to totally succeed , but it 's probably going to change computing as we know it .
As people start using the closed iPad architecture , Apple will introduce more and more gadgets that use this architecture until they completely replace windows machines for most users .
Sure they 'll always be us geeks that prefer an open architecture , but for most users ( my mom , your mom , etc .
) the iPad does enough .
You should n't stand in the way of this transition .
It means no more tech support calls .
No more 'my computer is full of viruses , can you fix it ?
' questions .
This is the best thing that could ever possibly happen .
Oh , and the iPad has a keyboard add-on , so all you people that say it has no keyboard , shut your holes .
Disclaimer : No , i do n't have a mac , No , I do n't have an iPhone .
I do however have an iPod touch and love it .
However , nothing could ever replace my blackberry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I'm probably going to get modded down for this, but i have to say it anyway.
To all you people keep saying how horrible the iPad is and how it's going to fail.
You are wrong.
Way wrong.
Not only is the iPad going to totally succeed, but it's probably going to change computing as we know it.
As people start using the closed iPad architecture, Apple will introduce more and more gadgets that use this architecture until they completely replace windows machines for most users.
Sure they'll always be us geeks that prefer an open architecture, but for most users (my mom, your mom, etc.
) the iPad does enough.
You shouldn't stand in the way of this transition.
It means no more tech support calls.
No more 'my computer is full of viruses, can you fix it?
' questions.
This is the best thing that could ever possibly happen.
Oh, and the iPad has a keyboard add-on, so all you people that say it has no keyboard, shut your holes.
Disclaimer:  No, i don't have a mac, No, I don't have an iPhone.
I do however have an iPod touch and love it.
However, nothing could ever replace my blackberry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273646</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1267120800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet there are some of us who don't want a netbook. I guess choice is a bad thing. It must be netbooks or bust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet there are some of us who do n't want a netbook .
I guess choice is a bad thing .
It must be netbooks or bust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet there are some of us who don't want a netbook.
I guess choice is a bad thing.
It must be netbooks or bust.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31289554</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267216860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no touch typing when you cannot feel the keyboard.<br>Ever use a projector keyboard?  There's a reason they have not caught on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no touch typing when you can not feel the keyboard.Ever use a projector keyboard ?
There 's a reason they have not caught on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no touch typing when you cannot feel the keyboard.Ever use a projector keyboard?
There's a reason they have not caught on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273756</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277134</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267090200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPad Keyboard Dock sold separately</p><p>http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/</p><p>Supports BT keyboards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPad Keyboard Dock sold separatelyhttp : //www.apple.com/ipad/specs/Supports BT keyboards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPad Keyboard Dock sold separatelyhttp://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/Supports BT keyboards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273756</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31285980</id>
	<title>Apple, create open platforms!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267204560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One major reason that the iPad will be more like an iMaxiPad is because it's a closed platform.  Apple wants you to drink their Kool-Aid, not your own.  And that type of mentality simply won't work with the public in the long term.   Apple has to step outside of their ego and try to work with the public, not the reverse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One major reason that the iPad will be more like an iMaxiPad is because it 's a closed platform .
Apple wants you to drink their Kool-Aid , not your own .
And that type of mentality simply wo n't work with the public in the long term .
Apple has to step outside of their ego and try to work with the public , not the reverse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One major reason that the iPad will be more like an iMaxiPad is because it's a closed platform.
Apple wants you to drink their Kool-Aid, not your own.
And that type of mentality simply won't work with the public in the long term.
Apple has to step outside of their ego and try to work with the public, not the reverse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278476</id>
	<title>Asus t91 anyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267095660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is already a netbook which can beat iPad on all claims, including its 'tabletness' and touchscreen-ness - Asus t91. And it's around $450 in the US, methinks.</p><p>It's flip-screen  netbook, with multitouch, and - guess what - alternative UI (similar to iPad) for the tablet mode. And It runs Windows 7.</p><p>And that's a low-spec netbook (slightly slower processor, low-capacity SSD instead of hdd), but I guess that if Asus can do that, any high-profile netbook vendor can produce similar product, with better specs and HDD, at the same or lower price. It has everything iPad has, and (nearly) everything average netbook has. It looks promising, considering that until a year ago a flipscreen laptop cost more than $1000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is already a netbook which can beat iPad on all claims , including its 'tabletness ' and touchscreen-ness - Asus t91 .
And it 's around $ 450 in the US , methinks.It 's flip-screen netbook , with multitouch , and - guess what - alternative UI ( similar to iPad ) for the tablet mode .
And It runs Windows 7.And that 's a low-spec netbook ( slightly slower processor , low-capacity SSD instead of hdd ) , but I guess that if Asus can do that , any high-profile netbook vendor can produce similar product , with better specs and HDD , at the same or lower price .
It has everything iPad has , and ( nearly ) everything average netbook has .
It looks promising , considering that until a year ago a flipscreen laptop cost more than $ 1000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is already a netbook which can beat iPad on all claims, including its 'tabletness' and touchscreen-ness - Asus t91.
And it's around $450 in the US, methinks.It's flip-screen  netbook, with multitouch, and - guess what - alternative UI (similar to iPad) for the tablet mode.
And It runs Windows 7.And that's a low-spec netbook (slightly slower processor, low-capacity SSD instead of hdd), but I guess that if Asus can do that, any high-profile netbook vendor can produce similar product, with better specs and HDD, at the same or lower price.
It has everything iPad has, and (nearly) everything average netbook has.
It looks promising, considering that until a year ago a flipscreen laptop cost more than $1000.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275630</id>
	<title>Apple secret ingredients revealed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267127520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wanting to be the first to hack the IPad broke out my STM and started tinkering with the TPM when low and behold I stumbled on what makes the Ipad so special...</p><p>They sprinkle Apple fairy maggot dust on all their components.  This special compound actively blocks neural receptor sites in the brain normally responsible for laughing in discust as one cruises past the Ipad display at wally world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wanting to be the first to hack the IPad broke out my STM and started tinkering with the TPM when low and behold I stumbled on what makes the Ipad so special...They sprinkle Apple fairy maggot dust on all their components .
This special compound actively blocks neural receptor sites in the brain normally responsible for laughing in discust as one cruises past the Ipad display at wally world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wanting to be the first to hack the IPad broke out my STM and started tinkering with the TPM when low and behold I stumbled on what makes the Ipad so special...They sprinkle Apple fairy maggot dust on all their components.
This special compound actively blocks neural receptor sites in the brain normally responsible for laughing in discust as one cruises past the Ipad display at wally world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274596</id>
	<title>Re:Also known as</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Or, in business terms, "we could sell poop in a box and people would buy it because of their trust in Apple, also know as brand equity, which we will burn in exchange for cash with this product."</p></div><p>Probably true, but you don't get brand equity in the first place by selling poop-in-a-box. Enough people have been happy enough with Apple's stuff over the years that it has built that brand equity.</p><p>Perhaps you're right and this will be the turning point where Apple jumps the shark and starts milking its brand for all that its worth. Microsoft and Adobe have already gotten on that train. But I'm betting it'll be a few years yet before Apple goes that way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , in business terms , " we could sell poop in a box and people would buy it because of their trust in Apple , also know as brand equity , which we will burn in exchange for cash with this product .
" Probably true , but you do n't get brand equity in the first place by selling poop-in-a-box .
Enough people have been happy enough with Apple 's stuff over the years that it has built that brand equity.Perhaps you 're right and this will be the turning point where Apple jumps the shark and starts milking its brand for all that its worth .
Microsoft and Adobe have already gotten on that train .
But I 'm betting it 'll be a few years yet before Apple goes that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, in business terms, "we could sell poop in a box and people would buy it because of their trust in Apple, also know as brand equity, which we will burn in exchange for cash with this product.
"Probably true, but you don't get brand equity in the first place by selling poop-in-a-box.
Enough people have been happy enough with Apple's stuff over the years that it has built that brand equity.Perhaps you're right and this will be the turning point where Apple jumps the shark and starts milking its brand for all that its worth.
Microsoft and Adobe have already gotten on that train.
But I'm betting it'll be a few years yet before Apple goes that way.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273396</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280276</id>
	<title>I am on Macs. But I think iPad is crap.</title>
	<author>hotfireball</author>
	<datestamp>1267106280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, I am Mac fanboy, call me that, if you like. I use iMac at office/job (I required from the company one), I use macs at home everywhere. Sure I have some Linuxes and some OpenSolaris around and zero Windows (at least you can respect me for this).<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) Now, there was lots of debates for the iPad is an XXXL iPod-Touch with some little iPhone capabilities. Fine, let's summarize for a various market targets all together.</p><p>This kind of folks browsing an Internet, watching videos on the webs, writing emails and might use some office suites.</p><ul>
<li>You want to <b>work with docs</b>. You found a great iWork right there. You've done your presentation and such. But you find yourself miserable, once you starting share them with others: iWork has very poor compatibility with MS Office and zero compatibility woth OpenOffice.org suite, which gains popularity. Adding here that using iPad on a desk is an <i>utterly horrible experience</i> due its curvy shape on a back - you've got the picture.</li><li>You want to <b>watch videos</b>. You found a great QuickTime player and it just works. But you find yourself annoyed for the iPad does NOT utilize 16:9 screen and can not play 1080p HD videos. Needless to say, you can not use Hulu or similar services, only YouTube. Well, at least you can <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">watch this</a> [youtube.com].</li><li>You want <b>communicate with your friends</b>. While some kind of Google Talk is fine, you will find you're unable to just place the thing on your lap and simply, laying on the sofa, talk through the videocam to your friends. Because there is none of it. You're unable to call your parents, because there is no Skype available. There is no iChat to collaborate something by sharing desktop or just talk through the video.</li><li>You want to <b>find yourself using GPS</b>. It is just great: you have it available there. But you will also find it is <i>assistive GPS</i> using 3G. That means, if you are on a dead zone for your 3G, then your GPS simply kaput and you will be not able to use it at all.</li><li>You are fine having none of that above and you also OK with 13" black&amp;white TV set at home as well. But you have a simple money management software that greatly runs on your Mac OS X and you use it for years. Now you have to migrate all that stuff? No, you want to keep your Macbook instead.</li><li>You're <b>power user and you can do some development for yourself</b>. iPad is clearly not for you here! Why? Think of it: you need some utilities for your home. You can make some great utilities with average GUI using Java (YMMV) over, let's say two-three evenings (I can do this just easily). Java, because I want the same thing on other platforms and I don't want to fuck my brains with memory allocations in C/C++/Objective C. But even you hate Java just wait, just calm down and wait... So I got NetBeans (YMMV), I use clicky mouse to toss up some shitty GUI there (YMMV), hang some events, toss up it with some database, let's say H2 and I have a little app (about 300K jar) that just does what I need. You can use what ever you like, but I use Java as an example here. OK, fine, you say I can do the same with $foobar? No! Because no such thing. Only Objective C. Can I do it for myself easily? Not at all! Because I need to sign an NDA with Apple and buy their SDK and headbang my head into the wall learning all this crap very hard. Why? Because developers are banned from sharing code samples and knowledge: that's NDA is for.</li><li>You want to <b>share your iPad with your family member</b>. But there is no multi-user concept at all. It is strictly personalized thing.</li></ul><p>What we've got here? A device, that is designed for fun, but <a href="http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703" title="theflashblog.com" rel="nofollow">completely unable to do so</a> [theflashblog.com].</p><p>Definitely, only a <a href="http://twitpic.com/10153w" title="twitpic.com" rel="nofollow">black magic can help here</a> [twitpic.com] to enjoy that poor thing... But Tim Cook must smoke something very strong. I want to smoke that stuff too: must be a good shit...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , I am Mac fanboy , call me that , if you like .
I use iMac at office/job ( I required from the company one ) , I use macs at home everywhere .
Sure I have some Linuxes and some OpenSolaris around and zero Windows ( at least you can respect me for this ) .
: - ) Now , there was lots of debates for the iPad is an XXXL iPod-Touch with some little iPhone capabilities .
Fine , let 's summarize for a various market targets all together.This kind of folks browsing an Internet , watching videos on the webs , writing emails and might use some office suites .
You want to work with docs .
You found a great iWork right there .
You 've done your presentation and such .
But you find yourself miserable , once you starting share them with others : iWork has very poor compatibility with MS Office and zero compatibility woth OpenOffice.org suite , which gains popularity .
Adding here that using iPad on a desk is an utterly horrible experience due its curvy shape on a back - you 've got the picture.You want to watch videos .
You found a great QuickTime player and it just works .
But you find yourself annoyed for the iPad does NOT utilize 16 : 9 screen and can not play 1080p HD videos .
Needless to say , you can not use Hulu or similar services , only YouTube .
Well , at least you can watch this [ youtube.com ] .You want communicate with your friends .
While some kind of Google Talk is fine , you will find you 're unable to just place the thing on your lap and simply , laying on the sofa , talk through the videocam to your friends .
Because there is none of it .
You 're unable to call your parents , because there is no Skype available .
There is no iChat to collaborate something by sharing desktop or just talk through the video.You want to find yourself using GPS .
It is just great : you have it available there .
But you will also find it is assistive GPS using 3G .
That means , if you are on a dead zone for your 3G , then your GPS simply kaput and you will be not able to use it at all.You are fine having none of that above and you also OK with 13 " black&amp;white TV set at home as well .
But you have a simple money management software that greatly runs on your Mac OS X and you use it for years .
Now you have to migrate all that stuff ?
No , you want to keep your Macbook instead.You 're power user and you can do some development for yourself .
iPad is clearly not for you here !
Why ? Think of it : you need some utilities for your home .
You can make some great utilities with average GUI using Java ( YMMV ) over , let 's say two-three evenings ( I can do this just easily ) .
Java , because I want the same thing on other platforms and I do n't want to fuck my brains with memory allocations in C/C + + /Objective C. But even you hate Java just wait , just calm down and wait... So I got NetBeans ( YMMV ) , I use clicky mouse to toss up some shitty GUI there ( YMMV ) , hang some events , toss up it with some database , let 's say H2 and I have a little app ( about 300K jar ) that just does what I need .
You can use what ever you like , but I use Java as an example here .
OK , fine , you say I can do the same with $ foobar ?
No ! Because no such thing .
Only Objective C. Can I do it for myself easily ?
Not at all !
Because I need to sign an NDA with Apple and buy their SDK and headbang my head into the wall learning all this crap very hard .
Why ? Because developers are banned from sharing code samples and knowledge : that 's NDA is for.You want to share your iPad with your family member .
But there is no multi-user concept at all .
It is strictly personalized thing.What we 've got here ?
A device , that is designed for fun , but completely unable to do so [ theflashblog.com ] .Definitely , only a black magic can help here [ twitpic.com ] to enjoy that poor thing... But Tim Cook must smoke something very strong .
I want to smoke that stuff too : must be a good shit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, I am Mac fanboy, call me that, if you like.
I use iMac at office/job (I required from the company one), I use macs at home everywhere.
Sure I have some Linuxes and some OpenSolaris around and zero Windows (at least you can respect me for this).
:-) Now, there was lots of debates for the iPad is an XXXL iPod-Touch with some little iPhone capabilities.
Fine, let's summarize for a various market targets all together.This kind of folks browsing an Internet, watching videos on the webs, writing emails and might use some office suites.
You want to work with docs.
You found a great iWork right there.
You've done your presentation and such.
But you find yourself miserable, once you starting share them with others: iWork has very poor compatibility with MS Office and zero compatibility woth OpenOffice.org suite, which gains popularity.
Adding here that using iPad on a desk is an utterly horrible experience due its curvy shape on a back - you've got the picture.You want to watch videos.
You found a great QuickTime player and it just works.
But you find yourself annoyed for the iPad does NOT utilize 16:9 screen and can not play 1080p HD videos.
Needless to say, you can not use Hulu or similar services, only YouTube.
Well, at least you can watch this [youtube.com].You want communicate with your friends.
While some kind of Google Talk is fine, you will find you're unable to just place the thing on your lap and simply, laying on the sofa, talk through the videocam to your friends.
Because there is none of it.
You're unable to call your parents, because there is no Skype available.
There is no iChat to collaborate something by sharing desktop or just talk through the video.You want to find yourself using GPS.
It is just great: you have it available there.
But you will also find it is assistive GPS using 3G.
That means, if you are on a dead zone for your 3G, then your GPS simply kaput and you will be not able to use it at all.You are fine having none of that above and you also OK with 13" black&amp;white TV set at home as well.
But you have a simple money management software that greatly runs on your Mac OS X and you use it for years.
Now you have to migrate all that stuff?
No, you want to keep your Macbook instead.You're power user and you can do some development for yourself.
iPad is clearly not for you here!
Why? Think of it: you need some utilities for your home.
You can make some great utilities with average GUI using Java (YMMV) over, let's say two-three evenings (I can do this just easily).
Java, because I want the same thing on other platforms and I don't want to fuck my brains with memory allocations in C/C++/Objective C. But even you hate Java just wait, just calm down and wait... So I got NetBeans (YMMV), I use clicky mouse to toss up some shitty GUI there (YMMV), hang some events, toss up it with some database, let's say H2 and I have a little app (about 300K jar) that just does what I need.
You can use what ever you like, but I use Java as an example here.
OK, fine, you say I can do the same with $foobar?
No! Because no such thing.
Only Objective C. Can I do it for myself easily?
Not at all!
Because I need to sign an NDA with Apple and buy their SDK and headbang my head into the wall learning all this crap very hard.
Why? Because developers are banned from sharing code samples and knowledge: that's NDA is for.You want to share your iPad with your family member.
But there is no multi-user concept at all.
It is strictly personalized thing.What we've got here?
A device, that is designed for fun, but completely unable to do so [theflashblog.com].Definitely, only a black magic can help here [twitpic.com] to enjoy that poor thing... But Tim Cook must smoke something very strong.
I want to smoke that stuff too: must be a good shit...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275530</id>
	<title>Re:Magic account can be overdrawn</title>
	<author>fear025</author>
	<datestamp>1267127100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So much magic that the chips overheated and unseated themselves. Luckily, you could then lift the computer off of the table, and drop it, thus scaring the magic back into the chips.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So much magic that the chips overheated and unseated themselves .
Luckily , you could then lift the computer off of the table , and drop it , thus scaring the magic back into the chips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much magic that the chips overheated and unseated themselves.
Luckily, you could then lift the computer off of the table, and drop it, thus scaring the magic back into the chips.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273340</id>
	<title>The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1267119660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money. It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.</p><p>As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I would n't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money .
It 's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community ( closed as it is , ) but in the " I do n't care I just want it to work " arena it may do quite well.As for what the hell the magic is , above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone , I do not know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money.
It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274592</id>
	<title>The M word.</title>
	<author>Improved Silence</author>
	<datestamp>1267123740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think "magic" is a marketing term for "marketing".....

Theres a reason companies invest large sums of money in advertising and brand recognition, it's because it works.  The iPad will outsell every netbook out there.  Probably combined...  In comparisons, keep in mind a netbook is a tool, an iPad is a toy, so which one is your kid going to want?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think " magic " is a marketing term for " marketing " .... . Theres a reason companies invest large sums of money in advertising and brand recognition , it 's because it works .
The iPad will outsell every netbook out there .
Probably combined... In comparisons , keep in mind a netbook is a tool , an iPad is a toy , so which one is your kid going to want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think "magic" is a marketing term for "marketing".....

Theres a reason companies invest large sums of money in advertising and brand recognition, it's because it works.
The iPad will outsell every netbook out there.
Probably combined...  In comparisons, keep in mind a netbook is a tool, an iPad is a toy, so which one is your kid going to want?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276762</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267088700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny that my mothers Ubuntu laptop hasn't needed updating, defragging or rebooting for 4 months, does all she wants it to and it costs half as much as an iPad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny that my mothers Ubuntu laptop has n't needed updating , defragging or rebooting for 4 months , does all she wants it to and it costs half as much as an iPad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny that my mothers Ubuntu laptop hasn't needed updating, defragging or rebooting for 4 months, does all she wants it to and it costs half as much as an iPad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273972</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275158</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267125600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Snow White had a magic apple. Look what happened to her.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow White had a magic apple .
Look what happened to her .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Snow White had a magic apple.
Look what happened to her.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274016</id>
	<title>How about a net-iPad-book?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267122000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just recently bought a schoolmate PC.  Netbook with touchscreen/webcan/windows XP.  Extremely lightweight and I can flip the screen, pull out the pen (or use my finger) and surf, chat, listen to music, watch videos - really whatever I want.  Oh - and as a bonus I even get to do more than one at once!  What a novel concept!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just recently bought a schoolmate PC .
Netbook with touchscreen/webcan/windows XP .
Extremely lightweight and I can flip the screen , pull out the pen ( or use my finger ) and surf , chat , listen to music , watch videos - really whatever I want .
Oh - and as a bonus I even get to do more than one at once !
What a novel concept !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just recently bought a schoolmate PC.
Netbook with touchscreen/webcan/windows XP.
Extremely lightweight and I can flip the screen, pull out the pen (or use my finger) and surf, chat, listen to music, watch videos - really whatever I want.
Oh - and as a bonus I even get to do more than one at once!
What a novel concept!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276532</id>
	<title>the original context of the quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267130880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/feb/goldmansachs10/goldmansachs\_ref.mov</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //stream.qtv.apple.com/events/feb/goldmansachs10/goldmansachs \ _ref.mov</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/feb/goldmansachs10/goldmansachs\_ref.mov</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275472</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>IICV</author>
	<datestamp>1267126980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPad is like a toaster - a simple appliance anyone can use. It's nearly impossible to screw things up when you're using one, and if you somehow manage to do that you can fix it just by turning it on and off (and maybe shaking out some of the crumbs).</p><p>Computers are more like ovens - large, complicated things that take a small amount of skill and training to use (but much less than most people think), and if you're not careful you can burn down your house with one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPad is like a toaster - a simple appliance anyone can use .
It 's nearly impossible to screw things up when you 're using one , and if you somehow manage to do that you can fix it just by turning it on and off ( and maybe shaking out some of the crumbs ) .Computers are more like ovens - large , complicated things that take a small amount of skill and training to use ( but much less than most people think ) , and if you 're not careful you can burn down your house with one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPad is like a toaster - a simple appliance anyone can use.
It's nearly impossible to screw things up when you're using one, and if you somehow manage to do that you can fix it just by turning it on and off (and maybe shaking out some of the crumbs).Computers are more like ovens - large, complicated things that take a small amount of skill and training to use (but much less than most people think), and if you're not careful you can burn down your house with one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274776</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1267124280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <b>From my perspective</b> NetBook &gt; ipad</p></div><p>There.  Fixed that for you.  I'm not going to try to convince you to buy an iPad; why do you think that your reasons for buying a device are the same as or better than anyone else's?</p></div>
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<tokenext>From my perspective NetBook &gt; ipadThere .
Fixed that for you .
I 'm not going to try to convince you to buy an iPad ; why do you think that your reasons for buying a device are the same as or better than anyone else 's ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> From my perspective NetBook &gt; ipadThere.
Fixed that for you.
I'm not going to try to convince you to buy an iPad; why do you think that your reasons for buying a device are the same as or better than anyone else's?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274764</id>
	<title>Usability isn't magic</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1267124220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Usability isn't magic. Its having the right set of features to provide functions that produce definable benefits in particular applications. If you've got a real usability advantages, you can sell them with the tradition "this feature provides this function which produces this benefit" way, you don't have to wave "magic" around.</p><blockquote><div><p>You guys bashing don't get it. Your Netbooks will do more.</p></div></blockquote><p>So, for that matter, will my smartphone (which, as it happens, is an iPhone, but <i>any</i> modern smartphone would be in the same position.) And, either of those things will do the things they do better than the iPad, which is to big to excel at the things that a smartphone is good for, and too feature-limited to excel at the things the netbook is good for.</p><blockquote><div><p>That's the point. Apple is all about giving you the 50\% of functions you need, and polishing the hell out of it.</p></div> </blockquote><p>That's a nice theory, and sometimes Apple hits a home run trying to do limited-functionality-but-polished. But, also, sometimes it makes the Apple Pippin.</p><blockquote><div><p>My grandmother won't get a netbook. She will get an iPad. She's not encroaching on your geek demographic.</p></div></blockquote><p>Most of the people I've seen with netbooks aren't geeks.</p><blockquote><div><p>For you logic types, iPad potential customer base &gt; Netbook targeted customer base.</p></div></blockquote><p>If anything, an expensive, limited-functionality computing device that is designed to rely on another computer as a primary device has a <i>narrower</i> target market than a less-expensive device that can operate just fine as a primary device.</p><blockquote><div><p>It will win because it does less.</p></div> </blockquote><p>If doing less (or even doing less, but doing it better) meant you win, the iPad would be killed by e-Ink based dedicated readers, which do less than the iPad and do it better. From its price, size, form factor, and what they highlighted in the demo, I think Apple's hope is exactly the opposite of "It will win because it does less (and does it better)". I think they are hoping to win in the exploding market for digital reader devices by doing <i>more</i>, not winning in against netbooks by doing less.</p><blockquote><div><p>Until you understand that concept, stay in your sheltered Netbook world. Oh, and update your virus definitions. And defrag your disk. Be sure to reboot today. Oh, update those drivers, too.</p></div></blockquote><p>All of those functions happen automatically (or, in the case of rebooting, with a reminder that you click on when an update requires it, which is maybe once a week -- and the only time, except when I'm switching to use Linux [hardly something a non-geek user is as likely to need to do], that I reboot my netbook rather than just closing the lid and letting it hibernate), except defragging which is almost never needed.</p><p>And, with a netbook, you don't have to have another computer to plug into to get OS updates.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Usability is n't magic .
Its having the right set of features to provide functions that produce definable benefits in particular applications .
If you 've got a real usability advantages , you can sell them with the tradition " this feature provides this function which produces this benefit " way , you do n't have to wave " magic " around.You guys bashing do n't get it .
Your Netbooks will do more.So , for that matter , will my smartphone ( which , as it happens , is an iPhone , but any modern smartphone would be in the same position .
) And , either of those things will do the things they do better than the iPad , which is to big to excel at the things that a smartphone is good for , and too feature-limited to excel at the things the netbook is good for.That 's the point .
Apple is all about giving you the 50 \ % of functions you need , and polishing the hell out of it .
That 's a nice theory , and sometimes Apple hits a home run trying to do limited-functionality-but-polished .
But , also , sometimes it makes the Apple Pippin.My grandmother wo n't get a netbook .
She will get an iPad .
She 's not encroaching on your geek demographic.Most of the people I 've seen with netbooks are n't geeks.For you logic types , iPad potential customer base &gt; Netbook targeted customer base.If anything , an expensive , limited-functionality computing device that is designed to rely on another computer as a primary device has a narrower target market than a less-expensive device that can operate just fine as a primary device.It will win because it does less .
If doing less ( or even doing less , but doing it better ) meant you win , the iPad would be killed by e-Ink based dedicated readers , which do less than the iPad and do it better .
From its price , size , form factor , and what they highlighted in the demo , I think Apple 's hope is exactly the opposite of " It will win because it does less ( and does it better ) " .
I think they are hoping to win in the exploding market for digital reader devices by doing more , not winning in against netbooks by doing less.Until you understand that concept , stay in your sheltered Netbook world .
Oh , and update your virus definitions .
And defrag your disk .
Be sure to reboot today .
Oh , update those drivers , too.All of those functions happen automatically ( or , in the case of rebooting , with a reminder that you click on when an update requires it , which is maybe once a week -- and the only time , except when I 'm switching to use Linux [ hardly something a non-geek user is as likely to need to do ] , that I reboot my netbook rather than just closing the lid and letting it hibernate ) , except defragging which is almost never needed.And , with a netbook , you do n't have to have another computer to plug into to get OS updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usability isn't magic.
Its having the right set of features to provide functions that produce definable benefits in particular applications.
If you've got a real usability advantages, you can sell them with the tradition "this feature provides this function which produces this benefit" way, you don't have to wave "magic" around.You guys bashing don't get it.
Your Netbooks will do more.So, for that matter, will my smartphone (which, as it happens, is an iPhone, but any modern smartphone would be in the same position.
) And, either of those things will do the things they do better than the iPad, which is to big to excel at the things that a smartphone is good for, and too feature-limited to excel at the things the netbook is good for.That's the point.
Apple is all about giving you the 50\% of functions you need, and polishing the hell out of it.
That's a nice theory, and sometimes Apple hits a home run trying to do limited-functionality-but-polished.
But, also, sometimes it makes the Apple Pippin.My grandmother won't get a netbook.
She will get an iPad.
She's not encroaching on your geek demographic.Most of the people I've seen with netbooks aren't geeks.For you logic types, iPad potential customer base &gt; Netbook targeted customer base.If anything, an expensive, limited-functionality computing device that is designed to rely on another computer as a primary device has a narrower target market than a less-expensive device that can operate just fine as a primary device.It will win because it does less.
If doing less (or even doing less, but doing it better) meant you win, the iPad would be killed by e-Ink based dedicated readers, which do less than the iPad and do it better.
From its price, size, form factor, and what they highlighted in the demo, I think Apple's hope is exactly the opposite of "It will win because it does less (and does it better)".
I think they are hoping to win in the exploding market for digital reader devices by doing more, not winning in against netbooks by doing less.Until you understand that concept, stay in your sheltered Netbook world.
Oh, and update your virus definitions.
And defrag your disk.
Be sure to reboot today.
Oh, update those drivers, too.All of those functions happen automatically (or, in the case of rebooting, with a reminder that you click on when an update requires it, which is maybe once a week -- and the only time, except when I'm switching to use Linux [hardly something a non-geek user is as likely to need to do], that I reboot my netbook rather than just closing the lid and letting it hibernate), except defragging which is almost never needed.And, with a netbook, you don't have to have another computer to plug into to get OS updates.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275540</id>
	<title>Re:Sales?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267127160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously, you've never been to an Apple store.... everyone there is playing with all their products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , you 've never been to an Apple store.... everyone there is playing with all their products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, you've never been to an Apple store.... everyone there is playing with all their products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275326</id>
	<title>Ipad, Non-Valid Replacement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267126380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Said it before and will again. The iPad currently does not look remotely viable as a replacement to the activities I use my current Tablet PC for. (Yes, I've got what the iPad should be)</p><p>Its absolutely brilliant for taking notes, or just doing any form of work while moving about. The iPad regretably looks to offer absolutly zero of the abilities I personally look for in a tablet. What the iPad can do, will be done by the iPod. Everything else will be done either by my laptop or Desktop.</p><p>Watching a movie on the tablet isn't as comfortable or convenient as many appear to think though, not because of the interface  but because of the form factor itself.  You have to constantly keep a hand on it or it'll slip away or fall over and you can't see shit. Or, you have to sit/lie down in extremely awkward positions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Said it before and will again .
The iPad currently does not look remotely viable as a replacement to the activities I use my current Tablet PC for .
( Yes , I 've got what the iPad should be ) Its absolutely brilliant for taking notes , or just doing any form of work while moving about .
The iPad regretably looks to offer absolutly zero of the abilities I personally look for in a tablet .
What the iPad can do , will be done by the iPod .
Everything else will be done either by my laptop or Desktop.Watching a movie on the tablet is n't as comfortable or convenient as many appear to think though , not because of the interface but because of the form factor itself .
You have to constantly keep a hand on it or it 'll slip away or fall over and you ca n't see shit .
Or , you have to sit/lie down in extremely awkward positions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Said it before and will again.
The iPad currently does not look remotely viable as a replacement to the activities I use my current Tablet PC for.
(Yes, I've got what the iPad should be)Its absolutely brilliant for taking notes, or just doing any form of work while moving about.
The iPad regretably looks to offer absolutly zero of the abilities I personally look for in a tablet.
What the iPad can do, will be done by the iPod.
Everything else will be done either by my laptop or Desktop.Watching a movie on the tablet isn't as comfortable or convenient as many appear to think though, not because of the interface  but because of the form factor itself.
You have to constantly keep a hand on it or it'll slip away or fall over and you can't see shit.
Or, you have to sit/lie down in extremely awkward positions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276556</id>
	<title>I love my netbook.</title>
	<author>interglossa</author>
	<datestamp>1267131000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I saw the iPad came with no Flash support, it did not surprise me at all.  I love my netbook (ASUS 701, the first one they shipped to US) and I cannot think of why you would want Apple magic, unless you have good voodoo to keep it from harming anything...</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I saw the iPad came with no Flash support , it did not surprise me at all .
I love my netbook ( ASUS 701 , the first one they shipped to US ) and I can not think of why you would want Apple magic , unless you have good voodoo to keep it from harming anything.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I saw the iPad came with no Flash support, it did not surprise me at all.
I love my netbook (ASUS 701, the first one they shipped to US) and I cannot think of why you would want Apple magic, unless you have good voodoo to keep it from harming anything...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31279920</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Latinhypercube</author>
	<datestamp>1267103700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Browsing on an ipad will be pretty lame without flash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Browsing on an ipad will be pretty lame without flash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Browsing on an ipad will be pretty lame without flash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273844</id>
	<title>Re:Also known as</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1267121340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I distinctly recall Sony trying that with the PS3, and people didn't bite.</p><p>Now, that was gold plated poop, this is just silver plated poop, but it is really really shiny!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I distinctly recall Sony trying that with the PS3 , and people did n't bite.Now , that was gold plated poop , this is just silver plated poop , but it is really really shiny !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I distinctly recall Sony trying that with the PS3, and people didn't bite.Now, that was gold plated poop, this is just silver plated poop, but it is really really shiny!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275392</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267126680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh get off your high horse. Them examples of the 'pain' on Windows are long gone.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, and update your virus definitions.  And defrag your disk.  Be sure to reboot today.  Oh, update those drivers, too.</p></div><p>Every day a little bubble appears telling me my AV definition is up to date. I haven't needed to do defrag on an XP machine for years - and my box is used for audio applications. Same box hasn't been rebooted for about 2 years now and runs smooth as anything. And if you update drivers at every possible opportunity even if things are running fine you're asking for trouble. If its not broke don't fix it.</p><p>On the other hand, I don't care what OS you've got - if you don't run AV you're asking for trouble. All it takes is for one malicious piece of code to start hopping between OSX machines and a hell of a lot of damage will be done (and don't give me any crap about OSX being inherently secure by design. Its not. Its just that its only just past a niche product).</p></div>
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<tokenext>Oh get off your high horse .
Them examples of the 'pain ' on Windows are long gone.Oh , and update your virus definitions .
And defrag your disk .
Be sure to reboot today .
Oh , update those drivers , too.Every day a little bubble appears telling me my AV definition is up to date .
I have n't needed to do defrag on an XP machine for years - and my box is used for audio applications .
Same box has n't been rebooted for about 2 years now and runs smooth as anything .
And if you update drivers at every possible opportunity even if things are running fine you 're asking for trouble .
If its not broke do n't fix it.On the other hand , I do n't care what OS you 've got - if you do n't run AV you 're asking for trouble .
All it takes is for one malicious piece of code to start hopping between OSX machines and a hell of a lot of damage will be done ( and do n't give me any crap about OSX being inherently secure by design .
Its not .
Its just that its only just past a niche product ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh get off your high horse.
Them examples of the 'pain' on Windows are long gone.Oh, and update your virus definitions.
And defrag your disk.
Be sure to reboot today.
Oh, update those drivers, too.Every day a little bubble appears telling me my AV definition is up to date.
I haven't needed to do defrag on an XP machine for years - and my box is used for audio applications.
Same box hasn't been rebooted for about 2 years now and runs smooth as anything.
And if you update drivers at every possible opportunity even if things are running fine you're asking for trouble.
If its not broke don't fix it.On the other hand, I don't care what OS you've got - if you don't run AV you're asking for trouble.
All it takes is for one malicious piece of code to start hopping between OSX machines and a hell of a lot of damage will be done (and don't give me any crap about OSX being inherently secure by design.
Its not.
Its just that its only just past a niche product).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277278</id>
	<title>Re:Magic can be used up.</title>
	<author>Kensai7</author>
	<datestamp>1267090740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not enough mana to cast the spell...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not enough mana to cast the spell... : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not enough mana to cast the spell... :p</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31279940</id>
	<title>who would want an actual computer?</title>
	<author>professorflipwig</author>
	<datestamp>1267103880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, why would anyone want something that has USB ports?  Also, with a netbook, who is going to tell you which programs to install?  I would be so lost without Apple holding my hand every step!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , why would anyone want something that has USB ports ?
Also , with a netbook , who is going to tell you which programs to install ?
I would be so lost without Apple holding my hand every step !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, why would anyone want something that has USB ports?
Also, with a netbook, who is going to tell you which programs to install?
I would be so lost without Apple holding my hand every step!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278410</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>PPalmgren</author>
	<datestamp>1267095480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your commonts enlightened me on why they used an IPS panel rather than a TN panel in the tablet.  Yes, colors are better, but the viewing angle of TN panels suck in comparison to IPS.  Maybe it won't be as awkward as other tablets in laps/desk use due to the expensive display technology (you can bet it was a good factor in the price).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your commonts enlightened me on why they used an IPS panel rather than a TN panel in the tablet .
Yes , colors are better , but the viewing angle of TN panels suck in comparison to IPS .
Maybe it wo n't be as awkward as other tablets in laps/desk use due to the expensive display technology ( you can bet it was a good factor in the price ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your commonts enlightened me on why they used an IPS panel rather than a TN panel in the tablet.
Yes, colors are better, but the viewing angle of TN panels suck in comparison to IPS.
Maybe it won't be as awkward as other tablets in laps/desk use due to the expensive display technology (you can bet it was a good factor in the price).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274190</id>
	<title>PFM</title>
	<author>Logical Zebra</author>
	<datestamp>1267122480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the telecomm industry, we have an acronym: PFM.  It stands for "Pure Fucking Magic."</p><p>Who knew the iPad utilized PFM?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the telecomm industry , we have an acronym : PFM .
It stands for " Pure Fucking Magic .
" Who knew the iPad utilized PFM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the telecomm industry, we have an acronym: PFM.
It stands for "Pure Fucking Magic.
"Who knew the iPad utilized PFM?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276896</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267089240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well you know the iPad is a computer. It has a cpu and ram and all those other goodies that make it one. It computes.</p><p>The issue is not that one can't use it however they want by default, the issue is that one can't use it anyway they like without jumping through some pretty big hoops. Apple will be going out of there way to stop you, when they just don't have to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well you know the iPad is a computer .
It has a cpu and ram and all those other goodies that make it one .
It computes.The issue is not that one ca n't use it however they want by default , the issue is that one ca n't use it anyway they like without jumping through some pretty big hoops .
Apple will be going out of there way to stop you , when they just do n't have to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well you know the iPad is a computer.
It has a cpu and ram and all those other goodies that make it one.
It computes.The issue is not that one can't use it however they want by default, the issue is that one can't use it anyway they like without jumping through some pretty big hoops.
Apple will be going out of there way to stop you, when they just don't have to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274874</id>
	<title>Magic.</title>
	<author>MaWeiTao</author>
	<datestamp>1267124640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple is in a particularly unique situation that they have a base of rabidly loyal consumers. Having worked in the design industry for years I constantly deal with this sort of thing and I have a hard time thinking of an instance when any of these people were openly critical towards Apple. Go online and any time someone is critical others are quick to pounce on them. So basically, what Apple has is a legion of evangelists. Inevitably all this positive will towards Apple filters down to your average consumer who picks up on it.</p><p>Another amazing quality Apple possesses is their ability to make even bad ideas palatable. The combination of good aesthetics and great integration just make their products appealing. Apple obviously puts a lot of thought into every product they decide to develop. They don't innovate so much as excel at implementation. They don't rush to implement new technologies and instead wait until it's mature enough they can do what they want with it; the touch screen being a good example of this. Even their designs haven't changed much in nearly 10 years; they've done little more than go back and forth between the metal and white or black plastic shells.</p><p>In addition to simply sticking to what works they've created a strong visual identity for themselves that reflects their approach to the technology. They take a more evolutionary approach. Other companies would be obsessed with reinventing their products every couple of years instead. They're always trying to spark some kind of revolution with some kind of killer product they hope will carry the rest of the brand but which never works out in the long run. And others aren't as willing to commit to a potentially good idea if it doesn't pay off in the short term.</p><p>Then they have their marketing which really just capitalizes on all these attributes and throws in subtle hyperbole for good measure.</p><p>Their products aren't the best on the market for overall use, but no one has yet been able to compete with them on integration and design. You could call it magic simply because few others are willing or capable of doing the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is in a particularly unique situation that they have a base of rabidly loyal consumers .
Having worked in the design industry for years I constantly deal with this sort of thing and I have a hard time thinking of an instance when any of these people were openly critical towards Apple .
Go online and any time someone is critical others are quick to pounce on them .
So basically , what Apple has is a legion of evangelists .
Inevitably all this positive will towards Apple filters down to your average consumer who picks up on it.Another amazing quality Apple possesses is their ability to make even bad ideas palatable .
The combination of good aesthetics and great integration just make their products appealing .
Apple obviously puts a lot of thought into every product they decide to develop .
They do n't innovate so much as excel at implementation .
They do n't rush to implement new technologies and instead wait until it 's mature enough they can do what they want with it ; the touch screen being a good example of this .
Even their designs have n't changed much in nearly 10 years ; they 've done little more than go back and forth between the metal and white or black plastic shells.In addition to simply sticking to what works they 've created a strong visual identity for themselves that reflects their approach to the technology .
They take a more evolutionary approach .
Other companies would be obsessed with reinventing their products every couple of years instead .
They 're always trying to spark some kind of revolution with some kind of killer product they hope will carry the rest of the brand but which never works out in the long run .
And others are n't as willing to commit to a potentially good idea if it does n't pay off in the short term.Then they have their marketing which really just capitalizes on all these attributes and throws in subtle hyperbole for good measure.Their products are n't the best on the market for overall use , but no one has yet been able to compete with them on integration and design .
You could call it magic simply because few others are willing or capable of doing the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is in a particularly unique situation that they have a base of rabidly loyal consumers.
Having worked in the design industry for years I constantly deal with this sort of thing and I have a hard time thinking of an instance when any of these people were openly critical towards Apple.
Go online and any time someone is critical others are quick to pounce on them.
So basically, what Apple has is a legion of evangelists.
Inevitably all this positive will towards Apple filters down to your average consumer who picks up on it.Another amazing quality Apple possesses is their ability to make even bad ideas palatable.
The combination of good aesthetics and great integration just make their products appealing.
Apple obviously puts a lot of thought into every product they decide to develop.
They don't innovate so much as excel at implementation.
They don't rush to implement new technologies and instead wait until it's mature enough they can do what they want with it; the touch screen being a good example of this.
Even their designs haven't changed much in nearly 10 years; they've done little more than go back and forth between the metal and white or black plastic shells.In addition to simply sticking to what works they've created a strong visual identity for themselves that reflects their approach to the technology.
They take a more evolutionary approach.
Other companies would be obsessed with reinventing their products every couple of years instead.
They're always trying to spark some kind of revolution with some kind of killer product they hope will carry the rest of the brand but which never works out in the long run.
And others aren't as willing to commit to a potentially good idea if it doesn't pay off in the short term.Then they have their marketing which really just capitalizes on all these attributes and throws in subtle hyperbole for good measure.Their products aren't the best on the market for overall use, but no one has yet been able to compete with them on integration and design.
You could call it magic simply because few others are willing or capable of doing the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31279540</id>
	<title>Re:Sales?</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1267101360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah good point. Most people like buying stuff without touching it. That is what almost all shops have closed down now, despite being more expensive that their online counterparts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah good point .
Most people like buying stuff without touching it .
That is what almost all shops have closed down now , despite being more expensive that their online counterparts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah good point.
Most people like buying stuff without touching it.
That is what almost all shops have closed down now, despite being more expensive that their online counterparts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273696</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267120920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?</p><p>I would never have spent the money on an iPod Touch, but I won one in a contest.  I'm a full card-carrying geek, but at the risk of losing my geek card, the iPod Touch was a magical little device.  It's absolute crap for listening to music (limited storage space, crappy tinny speaker, etc) but as a little miniature computer it is truly amazing.  I played with it for about 1 day before my wife latched on to it and wouldn't let go (what the hell?  saved me buying her an iPhone).</p><p>During the time I've used it, I found myself occasionally thinking, "gee, you know, the interface is top notch, the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing, but I just wish the screen was bigger".</p><p>The geek in me hates the closed nature, the fixed memory, the non-replaceable battery, the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.</p><p>The "screw it just want to surf the web in the evenings and maybe read a book occasionally" is fighting with the "but you can't spend $600 for THAT!" accountant in me over whether I want one.</p><p>A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name.  But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop.  The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch ? I would never have spent the money on an iPod Touch , but I won one in a contest .
I 'm a full card-carrying geek , but at the risk of losing my geek card , the iPod Touch was a magical little device .
It 's absolute crap for listening to music ( limited storage space , crappy tinny speaker , etc ) but as a little miniature computer it is truly amazing .
I played with it for about 1 day before my wife latched on to it and would n't let go ( what the hell ?
saved me buying her an iPhone ) .During the time I 've used it , I found myself occasionally thinking , " gee , you know , the interface is top notch , the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing , but I just wish the screen was bigger " .The geek in me hates the closed nature , the fixed memory , the non-replaceable battery , the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.The " screw it just want to surf the web in the evenings and maybe read a book occasionally " is fighting with the " but you ca n't spend $ 600 for THAT !
" accountant in me over whether I want one.A netbook is cheaper , probably has better battery life , is less " closed " , and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name .
But , sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics ( ca n't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com ) , I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop .
The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?I would never have spent the money on an iPod Touch, but I won one in a contest.
I'm a full card-carrying geek, but at the risk of losing my geek card, the iPod Touch was a magical little device.
It's absolute crap for listening to music (limited storage space, crappy tinny speaker, etc) but as a little miniature computer it is truly amazing.
I played with it for about 1 day before my wife latched on to it and wouldn't let go (what the hell?
saved me buying her an iPhone).During the time I've used it, I found myself occasionally thinking, "gee, you know, the interface is top notch, the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing, but I just wish the screen was bigger".The geek in me hates the closed nature, the fixed memory, the non-replaceable battery, the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.The "screw it just want to surf the web in the evenings and maybe read a book occasionally" is fighting with the "but you can't spend $600 for THAT!
" accountant in me over whether I want one.A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name.
But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop.
The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31282302</id>
	<title>magical?</title>
	<author>bmecoli</author>
	<datestamp>1267215360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>man, that's a funny way of spelling "marketing."</htmltext>
<tokenext>man , that 's a funny way of spelling " marketing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>man, that's a funny way of spelling "marketing.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273954</id>
	<title>Apples OTHER magic app</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267121760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steve sipped his magic water, brow furrowed, listening with his head cocked to the side to the blather the record execs across the table were vomiting at him. The barfing had been ongoing for the better part of three hours, and Steve was bored. As he set his water bottle down, his mind meandered from the meeting to more interesting things. Dammit, Steve thought, this is my boardroom. It's about time they heard my speech!</p><p>Beside Steve in his stupor sat none other than Phil Schiller, mulleted and wearing his typical denim button-down, and John Rubenstein who was wearing a blue polo, collar-up, with iPod headphones snaking up over his hairy chest and pouring out the front of his collar. Not only was John the Senior Vice President of the iPod division, he was also a member.</p><p>As the meeting droned on, Phil noted the glazed look in John and Steve's eyes. Without moving a muscle, Phil fiddled with something underneath the table and a random burst of music exploded from John's neck. Before John could look down, however, the music stopped. Steve hadn't noticed and Phil looked over at John and smirked. John wondered when Phil had managed to take his Shuffle.</p><p>Clearing his throat, Steve rose from his chair, interrupting the record executives across from him. They looked up at Steve's blue-jeaned form, surprised. They watched as Steve strutted to the corner of the room and grabbed a new bottle of water out of a mini-fridge, uncapped it, and took a sip. He looked around him at all the expectant eyes, like baby birds held captive in a nest, and smiled.</p><p>"I have a little something to share with you today," Steve said, the fire coming back to his eyes. "We all do, in fact, and we're really excited to present this special Stevenote with you today."</p><p>Phil looked over to John and rolled his eyes. Having endured one too many Stevenotes, he wasn't what could be called very excited in the least. Stultified was probably a better term for what Phil was experiencing at the moment. John too had witnessed several private mini-keynotes where Steve Jobs had paraded around a boardroom and drove a point relentlessly home for hours on end.</p><p>Phil and John shrugged, helpless, and turned to Steve. At least it wasn't record company rhetoric.</p><p>"Gentlemen, today we stand here over two years after Apple and the recording industry made downloading music easy and legal," Steve began, not missing a beat. "And in two years we've grown in a really impressive way, and we've got some really impressive numbers to show you."</p><p>Without a word, Steve yanked a small device that looked like a black iPod Shuffle out of his pocket and clicked a button. Silently, metal armor appeared from the walls and covered the windows. The lights dimmed behind them, and a solid metal panel slid shut with a sucking sound over the doorway. One wall was lit by an unseen projector and down-tempo electronica started playing softly in the background.</p><p>The record executives looked around, frenzied, not sure what had just happened. Some grabbed for papers and shoved them into briefcases while others swung around in their chairs feeling for something to grab onto. They began muttering, asking one another what was going on, nerves on edge. One exec took his mobile phone out and opened it. He looked hysterical in the dim light.</p><p>"You'll see that your mobile phone's signal is jammed in here, as are all other means of external communication. Bluetooth and WiFi don't work, and the Ethernet cables to your laptops have been cut," Steve said to the executives. "You're all alone in here. All alone with just me, Phil, John, and the numbers."</p><p>Phil and John shook their heads in dismay.</p><p>Steve wasted no time in barraging the executives in an ejaculation of numbers. Tracks available through the iTunes music store: 500 million. Projected iPod sales for September quarter '05: 7.1 million. New countries the iTunes music store was available to in '05: 7. The list went on and on, the execs &mdash; as well as John and Phil &mdash; were wide-eyed and swe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve sipped his magic water , brow furrowed , listening with his head cocked to the side to the blather the record execs across the table were vomiting at him .
The barfing had been ongoing for the better part of three hours , and Steve was bored .
As he set his water bottle down , his mind meandered from the meeting to more interesting things .
Dammit , Steve thought , this is my boardroom .
It 's about time they heard my speech ! Beside Steve in his stupor sat none other than Phil Schiller , mulleted and wearing his typical denim button-down , and John Rubenstein who was wearing a blue polo , collar-up , with iPod headphones snaking up over his hairy chest and pouring out the front of his collar .
Not only was John the Senior Vice President of the iPod division , he was also a member.As the meeting droned on , Phil noted the glazed look in John and Steve 's eyes .
Without moving a muscle , Phil fiddled with something underneath the table and a random burst of music exploded from John 's neck .
Before John could look down , however , the music stopped .
Steve had n't noticed and Phil looked over at John and smirked .
John wondered when Phil had managed to take his Shuffle.Clearing his throat , Steve rose from his chair , interrupting the record executives across from him .
They looked up at Steve 's blue-jeaned form , surprised .
They watched as Steve strutted to the corner of the room and grabbed a new bottle of water out of a mini-fridge , uncapped it , and took a sip .
He looked around him at all the expectant eyes , like baby birds held captive in a nest , and smiled .
" I have a little something to share with you today , " Steve said , the fire coming back to his eyes .
" We all do , in fact , and we 're really excited to present this special Stevenote with you today .
" Phil looked over to John and rolled his eyes .
Having endured one too many Stevenotes , he was n't what could be called very excited in the least .
Stultified was probably a better term for what Phil was experiencing at the moment .
John too had witnessed several private mini-keynotes where Steve Jobs had paraded around a boardroom and drove a point relentlessly home for hours on end.Phil and John shrugged , helpless , and turned to Steve .
At least it was n't record company rhetoric .
" Gentlemen , today we stand here over two years after Apple and the recording industry made downloading music easy and legal , " Steve began , not missing a beat .
" And in two years we 've grown in a really impressive way , and we 've got some really impressive numbers to show you .
" Without a word , Steve yanked a small device that looked like a black iPod Shuffle out of his pocket and clicked a button .
Silently , metal armor appeared from the walls and covered the windows .
The lights dimmed behind them , and a solid metal panel slid shut with a sucking sound over the doorway .
One wall was lit by an unseen projector and down-tempo electronica started playing softly in the background.The record executives looked around , frenzied , not sure what had just happened .
Some grabbed for papers and shoved them into briefcases while others swung around in their chairs feeling for something to grab onto .
They began muttering , asking one another what was going on , nerves on edge .
One exec took his mobile phone out and opened it .
He looked hysterical in the dim light .
" You 'll see that your mobile phone 's signal is jammed in here , as are all other means of external communication .
Bluetooth and WiFi do n't work , and the Ethernet cables to your laptops have been cut , " Steve said to the executives .
" You 're all alone in here .
All alone with just me , Phil , John , and the numbers .
" Phil and John shook their heads in dismay.Steve wasted no time in barraging the executives in an ejaculation of numbers .
Tracks available through the iTunes music store : 500 million .
Projected iPod sales for September quarter '05 : 7.1 million .
New countries the iTunes music store was available to in '05 : 7 .
The list went on and on , the execs    as well as John and Phil    were wide-eyed and swe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve sipped his magic water, brow furrowed, listening with his head cocked to the side to the blather the record execs across the table were vomiting at him.
The barfing had been ongoing for the better part of three hours, and Steve was bored.
As he set his water bottle down, his mind meandered from the meeting to more interesting things.
Dammit, Steve thought, this is my boardroom.
It's about time they heard my speech!Beside Steve in his stupor sat none other than Phil Schiller, mulleted and wearing his typical denim button-down, and John Rubenstein who was wearing a blue polo, collar-up, with iPod headphones snaking up over his hairy chest and pouring out the front of his collar.
Not only was John the Senior Vice President of the iPod division, he was also a member.As the meeting droned on, Phil noted the glazed look in John and Steve's eyes.
Without moving a muscle, Phil fiddled with something underneath the table and a random burst of music exploded from John's neck.
Before John could look down, however, the music stopped.
Steve hadn't noticed and Phil looked over at John and smirked.
John wondered when Phil had managed to take his Shuffle.Clearing his throat, Steve rose from his chair, interrupting the record executives across from him.
They looked up at Steve's blue-jeaned form, surprised.
They watched as Steve strutted to the corner of the room and grabbed a new bottle of water out of a mini-fridge, uncapped it, and took a sip.
He looked around him at all the expectant eyes, like baby birds held captive in a nest, and smiled.
"I have a little something to share with you today," Steve said, the fire coming back to his eyes.
"We all do, in fact, and we're really excited to present this special Stevenote with you today.
"Phil looked over to John and rolled his eyes.
Having endured one too many Stevenotes, he wasn't what could be called very excited in the least.
Stultified was probably a better term for what Phil was experiencing at the moment.
John too had witnessed several private mini-keynotes where Steve Jobs had paraded around a boardroom and drove a point relentlessly home for hours on end.Phil and John shrugged, helpless, and turned to Steve.
At least it wasn't record company rhetoric.
"Gentlemen, today we stand here over two years after Apple and the recording industry made downloading music easy and legal," Steve began, not missing a beat.
"And in two years we've grown in a really impressive way, and we've got some really impressive numbers to show you.
"Without a word, Steve yanked a small device that looked like a black iPod Shuffle out of his pocket and clicked a button.
Silently, metal armor appeared from the walls and covered the windows.
The lights dimmed behind them, and a solid metal panel slid shut with a sucking sound over the doorway.
One wall was lit by an unseen projector and down-tempo electronica started playing softly in the background.The record executives looked around, frenzied, not sure what had just happened.
Some grabbed for papers and shoved them into briefcases while others swung around in their chairs feeling for something to grab onto.
They began muttering, asking one another what was going on, nerves on edge.
One exec took his mobile phone out and opened it.
He looked hysterical in the dim light.
"You'll see that your mobile phone's signal is jammed in here, as are all other means of external communication.
Bluetooth and WiFi don't work, and the Ethernet cables to your laptops have been cut," Steve said to the executives.
"You're all alone in here.
All alone with just me, Phil, John, and the numbers.
"Phil and John shook their heads in dismay.Steve wasted no time in barraging the executives in an ejaculation of numbers.
Tracks available through the iTunes music store: 500 million.
Projected iPod sales for September quarter '05: 7.1 million.
New countries the iTunes music store was available to in '05: 7.
The list went on and on, the execs — as well as John and Phil — were wide-eyed and swe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276900</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267089240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You missed the most important thing:  an iPad is convenient for you to carry anywhere, has terrific battery life, Cisco, L2TP, and PPTP VPN compatibility, AND several very good VNC and SSH clients.  I used to need to carry a laptop with me wherever I went.  The iPhone has freed me from that.  I can get work done on my home, or work computer at anytime, and remote in to help troubleshoot anyone's computer in the company as needed. There is no software that I own that I cannot use at any time, no file that I have on any computer that I can't email to concerned parties at any time. It has saved my bacon dozens of times.  With a larger screen, I think the iPad would be an IT admin's dream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the most important thing : an iPad is convenient for you to carry anywhere , has terrific battery life , Cisco , L2TP , and PPTP VPN compatibility , AND several very good VNC and SSH clients .
I used to need to carry a laptop with me wherever I went .
The iPhone has freed me from that .
I can get work done on my home , or work computer at anytime , and remote in to help troubleshoot anyone 's computer in the company as needed .
There is no software that I own that I can not use at any time , no file that I have on any computer that I ca n't email to concerned parties at any time .
It has saved my bacon dozens of times .
With a larger screen , I think the iPad would be an IT admin 's dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the most important thing:  an iPad is convenient for you to carry anywhere, has terrific battery life, Cisco, L2TP, and PPTP VPN compatibility, AND several very good VNC and SSH clients.
I used to need to carry a laptop with me wherever I went.
The iPhone has freed me from that.
I can get work done on my home, or work computer at anytime, and remote in to help troubleshoot anyone's computer in the company as needed.
There is no software that I own that I cannot use at any time, no file that I have on any computer that I can't email to concerned parties at any time.
It has saved my bacon dozens of times.
With a larger screen, I think the iPad would be an IT admin's dream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274326</id>
	<title>"Need chicken bones? There's an app for that.</title>
	<author>magusxxx</author>
	<datestamp>1267122960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it would be great if Apple's website releases the iPad and it says

"And by the wayit also runs OSX."

Of course, we all go to the Store page for it and see the OSX version is $999. But still<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it would be great if Apple 's website releases the iPad and it says " And by the wayit also runs OSX .
" Of course , we all go to the Store page for it and see the OSX version is $ 999 .
But still ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it would be great if Apple's website releases the iPad and it says

"And by the wayit also runs OSX.
"

Of course, we all go to the Store page for it and see the OSX version is $999.
But still ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31281772</id>
	<title>Magic vs. Illusion</title>
	<author>ma foreclosures</author>
	<datestamp>1267122420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think its sooo ironic that they call it magic because its all an illusion!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think its sooo ironic that they call it magic because its all an illusion !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think its sooo ironic that they call it magic because its all an illusion!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273244</id>
	<title>Hunters..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given mages constant grieving towards hunters, they will most likely stay away from this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given mages constant grieving towards hunters , they will most likely stay away from this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given mages constant grieving towards hunters, they will most likely stay away from this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280258</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>intiha</author>
	<datestamp>1267106220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>During the time I've used it, I found myself occasionally thinking, "gee, you know, the interface is top notch, the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing, but I just wish the screen was bigger".</p><p>The geek in me hates the closed nature, the fixed memory, the non-replaceable battery, the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.</p><p>A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name.  But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop.  The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.</p></div><p>I get your point about the iPod. I have tried it, and completely love it. I am no apple fan-boy, but I am blown away with how simple it is to do the most basic stuff on it (comparing that with Android 2.1 that I have on my Nexus..... the ease-of-use is not even close to the iPhone/iPod touch OS).

Back on the issue, while I loved the touch, I think the biggest reason i use it for is casual browsing and reference while sitting on my couch and just knowing that I have this little computer in my pocket. While I would have loved it to be a bigger screen, I think what people miss is that the reason it is useful is that at its current form factor it *fits* in my pockets at all time, and I dont have to get up to get my laptop from 5 feet away. The iPad with its larger screen will sacrifice that ease of use, and then I would say why not have a small netbook or even laptop that I can keep where ever I keep the iPad for reference?

Multitasking/camera etc I think are all things that will not prevent the iPad from making it big... it form factor might be the Achilles heel, which is ironic as that is what differentiates it from the iPhone/touch. I will wager a bet that iPad will sell, but not be a game changer like iPhone/iPod, but more like the Apple TV thingy.</p></div>
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<tokenext>During the time I 've used it , I found myself occasionally thinking , " gee , you know , the interface is top notch , the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing , but I just wish the screen was bigger " .The geek in me hates the closed nature , the fixed memory , the non-replaceable battery , the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.A netbook is cheaper , probably has better battery life , is less " closed " , and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name .
But , sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics ( ca n't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com ) , I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop .
The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.I get your point about the iPod .
I have tried it , and completely love it .
I am no apple fan-boy , but I am blown away with how simple it is to do the most basic stuff on it ( comparing that with Android 2.1 that I have on my Nexus..... the ease-of-use is not even close to the iPhone/iPod touch OS ) .
Back on the issue , while I loved the touch , I think the biggest reason i use it for is casual browsing and reference while sitting on my couch and just knowing that I have this little computer in my pocket .
While I would have loved it to be a bigger screen , I think what people miss is that the reason it is useful is that at its current form factor it * fits * in my pockets at all time , and I dont have to get up to get my laptop from 5 feet away .
The iPad with its larger screen will sacrifice that ease of use , and then I would say why not have a small netbook or even laptop that I can keep where ever I keep the iPad for reference ?
Multitasking/camera etc I think are all things that will not prevent the iPad from making it big... it form factor might be the Achilles heel , which is ironic as that is what differentiates it from the iPhone/touch .
I will wager a bet that iPad will sell , but not be a game changer like iPhone/iPod , but more like the Apple TV thingy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During the time I've used it, I found myself occasionally thinking, "gee, you know, the interface is top notch, the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing, but I just wish the screen was bigger".The geek in me hates the closed nature, the fixed memory, the non-replaceable battery, the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name.
But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop.
The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.I get your point about the iPod.
I have tried it, and completely love it.
I am no apple fan-boy, but I am blown away with how simple it is to do the most basic stuff on it (comparing that with Android 2.1 that I have on my Nexus..... the ease-of-use is not even close to the iPhone/iPod touch OS).
Back on the issue, while I loved the touch, I think the biggest reason i use it for is casual browsing and reference while sitting on my couch and just knowing that I have this little computer in my pocket.
While I would have loved it to be a bigger screen, I think what people miss is that the reason it is useful is that at its current form factor it *fits* in my pockets at all time, and I dont have to get up to get my laptop from 5 feet away.
The iPad with its larger screen will sacrifice that ease of use, and then I would say why not have a small netbook or even laptop that I can keep where ever I keep the iPad for reference?
Multitasking/camera etc I think are all things that will not prevent the iPad from making it big... it form factor might be the Achilles heel, which is ironic as that is what differentiates it from the iPhone/touch.
I will wager a bet that iPad will sell, but not be a game changer like iPhone/iPod, but more like the Apple TV thingy.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274246</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267122660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversized iphone</p><p>Man you are so one sided. You Netbook fan boi! The ipad is so cool and hip. I can't afford ipad, but I have the next best thing - an ipad nano. Its even got a phone in it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system , the ipad is just a oversized iphoneMan you are so one sided .
You Netbook fan boi !
The ipad is so cool and hip .
I ca n't afford ipad , but I have the next best thing - an ipad nano .
Its even got a phone in it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversized iphoneMan you are so one sided.
You Netbook fan boi!
The ipad is so cool and hip.
I can't afford ipad, but I have the next best thing - an ipad nano.
Its even got a phone in it!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276066</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Wow, an Apple fanboy trolling...what a concept.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , an Apple fanboy trolling...what a concept .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, an Apple fanboy trolling...what a concept.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273860</id>
	<title>Magic is the power of belief</title>
	<author>handy\_vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1267121400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>People believe what they want to believe.  "Magic" is one kind of belief reinforcer.</p><p>Imagine two identical products. Q: Which one sells best? A: The one with better advertising.</p><p>People don't just <em>want</em> advertising:  they <em>need</em> it, to experience the joy of ownership as richly as possible.</p><p>Apple knows this.  Apple is very good at creating belief<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and if Apple calls this "magic", then they're just stating the obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People believe what they want to believe .
" Magic " is one kind of belief reinforcer.Imagine two identical products .
Q : Which one sells best ?
A : The one with better advertising.People do n't just want advertising : they need it , to experience the joy of ownership as richly as possible.Apple knows this .
Apple is very good at creating belief ... and if Apple calls this " magic " , then they 're just stating the obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People believe what they want to believe.
"Magic" is one kind of belief reinforcer.Imagine two identical products.
Q: Which one sells best?
A: The one with better advertising.People don't just want advertising:  they need it, to experience the joy of ownership as richly as possible.Apple knows this.
Apple is very good at creating belief ... and if Apple calls this "magic", then they're just stating the obvious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275784</id>
	<title>Rude noise.</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1267127940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
"When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook"
</p><p>
I dunno, I can think of a few reasons -- no memory slot, lack of a forward facing camera, no flash support, no memory slot, no gesture for mouse-over interfaces, and last but not least, no memory slot.
</p><p>
But mostly, cost.  Cook shows a profound, almost deliberate misunderstanding of the netbook market, where affordability is at least as important as portability.  Apple doesn't compete well in the cheap commodity market.  It's alien to their business model.  They create exquisitely designed, top shelf products at premium prices, which is anathema to the netbook market.
</p><p>
One could say, it's cheap for a mac.  That's true.  And I wonder if the ipad will dig into the macbook market.  That would be an interesting irony.  But it's still expensive for a netbook, especially when comparing price to capacity, as Apple still appears to believe that 16 Gbytes of non-replaceable storage should cost $100.
</p><p>
Of course the ipad will be a success.  As usual, Apple fanbois will line up for it, just like they line up for every shiny new Apple product.  That doesn't make it a replacement for the netbook.
</p><p>
If one includes the ipad in the total netbook market, (which I would not -- it fails on price and a few other things, is essentially a bigger ipod touch, not a netbook replacement) the total size of the market increases, but I think you'll find that the demand for conventional netbooks will grow at about the same rate.
</p><p>
Cook's comment is very revealing in another sense -- Apple's true product is magic and fairy dust in a very attractive package, and there is definitely a market for that.  More power to them.  And maybe, when other companies start making similar devices without the ipad's limitations and at the netbook price point, we might eventually see a reduction in the traditional netbook market, as netbook manufacturers find that a less complicated form factor with fewer moving parts can be made for less money, and more users realize they don't always have to have a keyboard with them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it ... I have a hard time believing they 're going to go for a netbook " I dunno , I can think of a few reasons -- no memory slot , lack of a forward facing camera , no flash support , no memory slot , no gesture for mouse-over interfaces , and last but not least , no memory slot .
But mostly , cost .
Cook shows a profound , almost deliberate misunderstanding of the netbook market , where affordability is at least as important as portability .
Apple does n't compete well in the cheap commodity market .
It 's alien to their business model .
They create exquisitely designed , top shelf products at premium prices , which is anathema to the netbook market .
One could say , it 's cheap for a mac .
That 's true .
And I wonder if the ipad will dig into the macbook market .
That would be an interesting irony .
But it 's still expensive for a netbook , especially when comparing price to capacity , as Apple still appears to believe that 16 Gbytes of non-replaceable storage should cost $ 100 .
Of course the ipad will be a success .
As usual , Apple fanbois will line up for it , just like they line up for every shiny new Apple product .
That does n't make it a replacement for the netbook .
If one includes the ipad in the total netbook market , ( which I would not -- it fails on price and a few other things , is essentially a bigger ipod touch , not a netbook replacement ) the total size of the market increases , but I think you 'll find that the demand for conventional netbooks will grow at about the same rate .
Cook 's comment is very revealing in another sense -- Apple 's true product is magic and fairy dust in a very attractive package , and there is definitely a market for that .
More power to them .
And maybe , when other companies start making similar devices without the ipad 's limitations and at the netbook price point , we might eventually see a reduction in the traditional netbook market , as netbook manufacturers find that a less complicated form factor with fewer moving parts can be made for less money , and more users realize they do n't always have to have a keyboard with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
"When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it ... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook"

I dunno, I can think of a few reasons -- no memory slot, lack of a forward facing camera, no flash support, no memory slot, no gesture for mouse-over interfaces, and last but not least, no memory slot.
But mostly, cost.
Cook shows a profound, almost deliberate misunderstanding of the netbook market, where affordability is at least as important as portability.
Apple doesn't compete well in the cheap commodity market.
It's alien to their business model.
They create exquisitely designed, top shelf products at premium prices, which is anathema to the netbook market.
One could say, it's cheap for a mac.
That's true.
And I wonder if the ipad will dig into the macbook market.
That would be an interesting irony.
But it's still expensive for a netbook, especially when comparing price to capacity, as Apple still appears to believe that 16 Gbytes of non-replaceable storage should cost $100.
Of course the ipad will be a success.
As usual, Apple fanbois will line up for it, just like they line up for every shiny new Apple product.
That doesn't make it a replacement for the netbook.
If one includes the ipad in the total netbook market, (which I would not -- it fails on price and a few other things, is essentially a bigger ipod touch, not a netbook replacement) the total size of the market increases, but I think you'll find that the demand for conventional netbooks will grow at about the same rate.
Cook's comment is very revealing in another sense -- Apple's true product is magic and fairy dust in a very attractive package, and there is definitely a market for that.
More power to them.
And maybe, when other companies start making similar devices without the ipad's limitations and at the netbook price point, we might eventually see a reduction in the traditional netbook market, as netbook manufacturers find that a less complicated form factor with fewer moving parts can be made for less money, and more users realize they don't always have to have a keyboard with them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274242</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>X86Daddy</author>
	<datestamp>1267122660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Your comment is on the right track... All of the comments about Netbooks being more powerful and useful than the iPad are missing a significant factor: the <strong>audience</strong>.  And I'm not talking about "Apple Fan Boys."  Most humans look at a computing device and see trouble, difficulty, mental exercises, frustration, etc...  Most Slashdotters look at computing devices as powerful instruments that let us do <strong>our</strong> kind of magic.</p><p>Apple made a different kind of experience with the iPhone, Touch, and iPad... They removed the whole "computer" experience and made these devices that go straight to the objective of whatever Internet or computing task that everyone is expected to be capable of today.  Want to "tweet?"  You don't need to maintain anti-virus products, a proper web browser, keep bookmarks or remember URLs, wait for boot-up, have multiple parts of a computer working and connected, make sure your router is connected, upgrade the hard drive, upgrade RAM, blah blah blah...  just point your finger at the shiny Twitter button and you can "tweet."  All that other stuff is "magic" that they have to pay someone else to set up.  Natural "computer wizards" might miss that.</p><p>If you've ever met someone who is uneasy with computers or downright hates them, you've met someone who will like Apple's "not-a-computer" approach with the iPad.  Is it locked down and limited beyond what it <em>could</em> be as a computing device?  <strong>Absolutely.</strong>  Would a non-technical person actually prefer that?  Yes.  I'm personally not an Apple fan, and I haven't purchased anything of theirs, nor do I plan to any time soon.  I both <strong>need</strong> and <strong>have the capability to use</strong> the power afforded by non-locked-down systems.  I am not the average consumer.  But there are plenty of people out there, for which the OS X UI and its single mouse button, etc... are still a complicated "computer thing."  I expect this to be pretty successful, and I applaud them for targetting it this way, even though it is completely useless to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your comment is on the right track... All of the comments about Netbooks being more powerful and useful than the iPad are missing a significant factor : the audience .
And I 'm not talking about " Apple Fan Boys .
" Most humans look at a computing device and see trouble , difficulty , mental exercises , frustration , etc... Most Slashdotters look at computing devices as powerful instruments that let us do our kind of magic.Apple made a different kind of experience with the iPhone , Touch , and iPad... They removed the whole " computer " experience and made these devices that go straight to the objective of whatever Internet or computing task that everyone is expected to be capable of today .
Want to " tweet ?
" You do n't need to maintain anti-virus products , a proper web browser , keep bookmarks or remember URLs , wait for boot-up , have multiple parts of a computer working and connected , make sure your router is connected , upgrade the hard drive , upgrade RAM , blah blah blah... just point your finger at the shiny Twitter button and you can " tweet .
" All that other stuff is " magic " that they have to pay someone else to set up .
Natural " computer wizards " might miss that.If you 've ever met someone who is uneasy with computers or downright hates them , you 've met someone who will like Apple 's " not-a-computer " approach with the iPad .
Is it locked down and limited beyond what it could be as a computing device ?
Absolutely. Would a non-technical person actually prefer that ?
Yes. I 'm personally not an Apple fan , and I have n't purchased anything of theirs , nor do I plan to any time soon .
I both need and have the capability to use the power afforded by non-locked-down systems .
I am not the average consumer .
But there are plenty of people out there , for which the OS X UI and its single mouse button , etc... are still a complicated " computer thing .
" I expect this to be pretty successful , and I applaud them for targetting it this way , even though it is completely useless to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your comment is on the right track... All of the comments about Netbooks being more powerful and useful than the iPad are missing a significant factor: the audience.
And I'm not talking about "Apple Fan Boys.
"  Most humans look at a computing device and see trouble, difficulty, mental exercises, frustration, etc...  Most Slashdotters look at computing devices as powerful instruments that let us do our kind of magic.Apple made a different kind of experience with the iPhone, Touch, and iPad... They removed the whole "computer" experience and made these devices that go straight to the objective of whatever Internet or computing task that everyone is expected to be capable of today.
Want to "tweet?
"  You don't need to maintain anti-virus products, a proper web browser, keep bookmarks or remember URLs, wait for boot-up, have multiple parts of a computer working and connected, make sure your router is connected, upgrade the hard drive, upgrade RAM, blah blah blah...  just point your finger at the shiny Twitter button and you can "tweet.
"  All that other stuff is "magic" that they have to pay someone else to set up.
Natural "computer wizards" might miss that.If you've ever met someone who is uneasy with computers or downright hates them, you've met someone who will like Apple's "not-a-computer" approach with the iPad.
Is it locked down and limited beyond what it could be as a computing device?
Absolutely.  Would a non-technical person actually prefer that?
Yes.  I'm personally not an Apple fan, and I haven't purchased anything of theirs, nor do I plan to any time soon.
I both need and have the capability to use the power afforded by non-locked-down systems.
I am not the average consumer.
But there are plenty of people out there, for which the OS X UI and its single mouse button, etc... are still a complicated "computer thing.
"  I expect this to be pretty successful, and I applaud them for targetting it this way, even though it is completely useless to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275182</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1267125720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?</p></div></blockquote><p>It does, if it wants to compete with the iPod Touch, which has the ideal size for the interface style and application limits imposed on it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch ? It does , if it wants to compete with the iPod Touch , which has the ideal size for the interface style and application limits imposed on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?It does, if it wants to compete with the iPod Touch, which has the ideal size for the interface style and application limits imposed on it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274266</id>
	<title>I want.</title>
	<author>mbourgon</author>
	<datestamp>1267122720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I have a Netbook, and I still think this'll be useful as heck.  Keyboard seems about on par - my 10" netbook gives me cramped hands when trying to do anything for more than 5 minutes.  Screen seems a bit larger than my netbook, so that would be REALLY nice.  For what it is (not a computer), it sounds ideal.  Betcha my folks would love it.  Let's see if I can justify it to the wife.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Netbook , and I still think this 'll be useful as heck .
Keyboard seems about on par - my 10 " netbook gives me cramped hands when trying to do anything for more than 5 minutes .
Screen seems a bit larger than my netbook , so that would be REALLY nice .
For what it is ( not a computer ) , it sounds ideal .
Betcha my folks would love it .
Let 's see if I can justify it to the wife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Netbook, and I still think this'll be useful as heck.
Keyboard seems about on par - my 10" netbook gives me cramped hands when trying to do anything for more than 5 minutes.
Screen seems a bit larger than my netbook, so that would be REALLY nice.
For what it is (not a computer), it sounds ideal.
Betcha my folks would love it.
Let's see if I can justify it to the wife.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273434</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267120020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>lol I'm going to keep your post VEGETA\_GT and show it up your face a month or two after the release if the iPad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol I 'm going to keep your post VEGETA \ _GT and show it up your face a month or two after the release if the iPad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol I'm going to keep your post VEGETA\_GT and show it up your face a month or two after the release if the iPad.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273826</id>
	<title>Japanese stand-up humor</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1267121280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The idea that the iPad's "magical properties" would render it superior to netbooks reminds me of a stand-up comic/magician in Japan whose act consists of the usual parlor tricks with the gag that he plays the character of a smiling con man:</p><blockquote><div><p>(Very rough paraphrase) "Now I'm going to put this card that you marked into this ordinary box. Now wouldn't it be fun if it turned up in this other box? As it turns out, I've prepared just such a card in advance..."</p></div></blockquote><p>The original (Magi Shinji, I think his stage name was) retired and left his "disciple" to run the act, but unfortunately, the disciple doesn't do the con job quite as well.</p><p>The jury's still out on whether a big iPod Touch would be superior to low-cost netbooks, IMO. Sure, Jobs might like the iPad a whole lot better, but as I recall, he also designed the G4 Cube and Lisa. No one's perfect.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The idea that the iPad 's " magical properties " would render it superior to netbooks reminds me of a stand-up comic/magician in Japan whose act consists of the usual parlor tricks with the gag that he plays the character of a smiling con man : ( Very rough paraphrase ) " Now I 'm going to put this card that you marked into this ordinary box .
Now would n't it be fun if it turned up in this other box ?
As it turns out , I 've prepared just such a card in advance... " The original ( Magi Shinji , I think his stage name was ) retired and left his " disciple " to run the act , but unfortunately , the disciple does n't do the con job quite as well.The jury 's still out on whether a big iPod Touch would be superior to low-cost netbooks , IMO .
Sure , Jobs might like the iPad a whole lot better , but as I recall , he also designed the G4 Cube and Lisa .
No one 's perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea that the iPad's "magical properties" would render it superior to netbooks reminds me of a stand-up comic/magician in Japan whose act consists of the usual parlor tricks with the gag that he plays the character of a smiling con man:(Very rough paraphrase) "Now I'm going to put this card that you marked into this ordinary box.
Now wouldn't it be fun if it turned up in this other box?
As it turns out, I've prepared just such a card in advance..."The original (Magi Shinji, I think his stage name was) retired and left his "disciple" to run the act, but unfortunately, the disciple doesn't do the con job quite as well.The jury's still out on whether a big iPod Touch would be superior to low-cost netbooks, IMO.
Sure, Jobs might like the iPad a whole lot better, but as I recall, he also designed the G4 Cube and Lisa.
No one's perfect.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277314</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Haeleth</author>
	<datestamp>1267090920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?</p></div></blockquote><p>A giant iPod Touch is not necessarily a <i>better</i> iPod Touch.</p><p>For example, the nice thing about the iPod form factor is that it fits in a pocket, making it very accessible and convenient to carry around.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch ? A giant iPod Touch is not necessarily a better iPod Touch.For example , the nice thing about the iPod form factor is that it fits in a pocket , making it very accessible and convenient to carry around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?A giant iPod Touch is not necessarily a better iPod Touch.For example, the nice thing about the iPod form factor is that it fits in a pocket, making it very accessible and convenient to carry around.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273800</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267121220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money. It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.</p><p>As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.</p></div><p>If you step away from you keyboard and away from Slashdot and look around, the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena is damn near 100\% of the population.  To me they figured out the essence of what 99\% of their target audience will do with portable computers.  They will print money with these.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I would n't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money .
It 's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community ( closed as it is , ) but in the " I do n't care I just want it to work " arena it may do quite well.As for what the hell the magic is , above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone , I do not know.If you step away from you keyboard and away from Slashdot and look around , the " I do n't care I just want it to work " arena is damn near 100 \ % of the population .
To me they figured out the essence of what 99 \ % of their target audience will do with portable computers .
They will print money with these .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money.
It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.If you step away from you keyboard and away from Slashdot and look around, the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena is damn near 100\% of the population.
To me they figured out the essence of what 99\% of their target audience will do with portable computers.
They will print money with these.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275894</id>
	<title>Funny Enough</title>
	<author>MistrBlank</author>
	<datestamp>1267128360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana. "</p><p>Wow, we get the device priced in at about $300-500 cheaper than we expected, with even the top end iPad below the $1000 potential price tag people thought it would and people are still complaining about price.</p><p>And no, it does not need a camera.  Stop asking for one.  My netbook has a camera, I've used it 0 times.  My macbook has a camera, I've used it 0 times in 3 years.  Business is still driven by the cell phone, and it reasonably can pull off that functionality with a bluetooth headset, 3G and Skype.</p><p>Go away, you're complaints only fuel a fire of stupid arguments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $ 100 discount , but hey Magic is cool too , provided they have enough mana .
" Wow , we get the device priced in at about $ 300-500 cheaper than we expected , with even the top end iPad below the $ 1000 potential price tag people thought it would and people are still complaining about price.And no , it does not need a camera .
Stop asking for one .
My netbook has a camera , I 've used it 0 times .
My macbook has a camera , I 've used it 0 times in 3 years .
Business is still driven by the cell phone , and it reasonably can pull off that functionality with a bluetooth headset , 3G and Skype.Go away , you 're complaints only fuel a fire of stupid arguments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana.
"Wow, we get the device priced in at about $300-500 cheaper than we expected, with even the top end iPad below the $1000 potential price tag people thought it would and people are still complaining about price.And no, it does not need a camera.
Stop asking for one.
My netbook has a camera, I've used it 0 times.
My macbook has a camera, I've used it 0 times in 3 years.
Business is still driven by the cell phone, and it reasonably can pull off that functionality with a bluetooth headset, 3G and Skype.Go away, you're complaints only fuel a fire of stupid arguments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273744</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>am 2k</author>
	<datestamp>1267121100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You probably missed the case Apple themselves are offering: <a href="http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/" title="apple.com">iPad Case</a> [apple.com] (at the lower third of that page).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You probably missed the case Apple themselves are offering : iPad Case [ apple.com ] ( at the lower third of that page ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You probably missed the case Apple themselves are offering: iPad Case [apple.com] (at the lower third of that page).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31284052</id>
	<title>Lost in the discussion - data plan</title>
	<author>counslr2002</author>
	<datestamp>1267194420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who has limited ability to access a broadband wifi connection at work (corporate restrictions) to check email, bank balances, etc., I find the $30 data plan the ipad offers to be the best solution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who has limited ability to access a broadband wifi connection at work ( corporate restrictions ) to check email , bank balances , etc. , I find the $ 30 data plan the ipad offers to be the best solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who has limited ability to access a broadband wifi connection at work (corporate restrictions) to check email, bank balances, etc., I find the $30 data plan the ipad offers to be the best solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276860</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>shilly</author>
	<datestamp>1267089120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aesthetic is a subset of user experience. How closely a device's interaction patterns mirror the bulk of user's expectations is the more significant part. And you only have to watch a baby flick through photos on an iPod to see how good Apple are at this. I defy you to find a video of a baby doing the same with the photos on a netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aesthetic is a subset of user experience .
How closely a device 's interaction patterns mirror the bulk of user 's expectations is the more significant part .
And you only have to watch a baby flick through photos on an iPod to see how good Apple are at this .
I defy you to find a video of a baby doing the same with the photos on a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aesthetic is a subset of user experience.
How closely a device's interaction patterns mirror the bulk of user's expectations is the more significant part.
And you only have to watch a baby flick through photos on an iPod to see how good Apple are at this.
I defy you to find a video of a baby doing the same with the photos on a netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276952</id>
	<title>Re:It's an output device, not a computer.</title>
	<author>Cyberllama</author>
	<datestamp>1267089420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It will succeed or fail based on what content it can access.  If Apple and News Corp. work out a deal, and you can view all News Corp. content on the thing, it will be a big success.</p></div><p>I disagree. News Corp's content is far too expensive.  It's currently only succeeded as a pay for content model because many corporations pay for employee's WSJ subscriptions.  If the actual consumers have to pay for it themselves, I doubt many of them would be paying for such overpriced content.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It will succeed or fail based on what content it can access .
If Apple and News Corp. work out a deal , and you can view all News Corp. content on the thing , it will be a big success.I disagree .
News Corp 's content is far too expensive .
It 's currently only succeeded as a pay for content model because many corporations pay for employee 's WSJ subscriptions .
If the actual consumers have to pay for it themselves , I doubt many of them would be paying for such overpriced content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will succeed or fail based on what content it can access.
If Apple and News Corp. work out a deal, and you can view all News Corp. content on the thing, it will be a big success.I disagree.
News Corp's content is far too expensive.
It's currently only succeeded as a pay for content model because many corporations pay for employee's WSJ subscriptions.
If the actual consumers have to pay for it themselves, I doubt many of them would be paying for such overpriced content.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274716</id>
	<title>depends what winning means</title>
	<author>g4b</author>
	<datestamp>1267124100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if winning means, that some company creating netbooks will sell more of its netbooks, than apple will sell ipads: nope, netbooks won't win that.<br><br>in the end, what makes iStuff a winner is: ppl just buy it, even if they can't use it for all they dreamt about, because they don't dream - and all the money is not split amongst many manufacturers, it goes to apple alone.<br><br>And don't tell those ppl, you can do things on your netbook your iPad / iPhone / iWhatever can't do, because if I had an iPhone, I sure as hell would play around with it, too.<br><br>That's the only magic: they sell people stuff, which does that stuff pretty well, which it does, but can't do all the stuff they might could have done with a pro system. But since we are geeks and buy our gizmos because we WANT them to do stuff, we can't understand the big consumer base, which buy things because they want to see the stuff it does, nothing more.<br>The whole "we attack the netbook market" is the same slogan as the iPhone attacked the mobile phone market, which it didn't really. mobile phones still do everything they are supposed to do, and smartphones still do more than the iphone, but the iphone is an iphone, you know.<br><br>I use a good old X41 for couchsurfing. I call it the iX41. I spent the money on that thing, which I would have spent on an iphone. no GSM of course, but it is not handy anyway to run around with a book sized electronic thingie pressed against my head.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if winning means , that some company creating netbooks will sell more of its netbooks , than apple will sell ipads : nope , netbooks wo n't win that.in the end , what makes iStuff a winner is : ppl just buy it , even if they ca n't use it for all they dreamt about , because they do n't dream - and all the money is not split amongst many manufacturers , it goes to apple alone.And do n't tell those ppl , you can do things on your netbook your iPad / iPhone / iWhatever ca n't do , because if I had an iPhone , I sure as hell would play around with it , too.That 's the only magic : they sell people stuff , which does that stuff pretty well , which it does , but ca n't do all the stuff they might could have done with a pro system .
But since we are geeks and buy our gizmos because we WANT them to do stuff , we ca n't understand the big consumer base , which buy things because they want to see the stuff it does , nothing more.The whole " we attack the netbook market " is the same slogan as the iPhone attacked the mobile phone market , which it did n't really .
mobile phones still do everything they are supposed to do , and smartphones still do more than the iphone , but the iphone is an iphone , you know.I use a good old X41 for couchsurfing .
I call it the iX41 .
I spent the money on that thing , which I would have spent on an iphone .
no GSM of course , but it is not handy anyway to run around with a book sized electronic thingie pressed against my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if winning means, that some company creating netbooks will sell more of its netbooks, than apple will sell ipads: nope, netbooks won't win that.in the end, what makes iStuff a winner is: ppl just buy it, even if they can't use it for all they dreamt about, because they don't dream - and all the money is not split amongst many manufacturers, it goes to apple alone.And don't tell those ppl, you can do things on your netbook your iPad / iPhone / iWhatever can't do, because if I had an iPhone, I sure as hell would play around with it, too.That's the only magic: they sell people stuff, which does that stuff pretty well, which it does, but can't do all the stuff they might could have done with a pro system.
But since we are geeks and buy our gizmos because we WANT them to do stuff, we can't understand the big consumer base, which buy things because they want to see the stuff it does, nothing more.The whole "we attack the netbook market" is the same slogan as the iPhone attacked the mobile phone market, which it didn't really.
mobile phones still do everything they are supposed to do, and smartphones still do more than the iphone, but the iphone is an iphone, you know.I use a good old X41 for couchsurfing.
I call it the iX41.
I spent the money on that thing, which I would have spent on an iphone.
no GSM of course, but it is not handy anyway to run around with a book sized electronic thingie pressed against my head.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275588</id>
	<title>Everyone seems to be missing the real point</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1267127340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is it that the unfortunate comparison between the iPad and a netbook keeps being made? The iPad isn't trying to be a netbook - and a netbook doesn't try to be an iPad - that's not where the iPad is really targeted.</p><p>To become more clueful, visit Amazon and right there on the main page they're promoting their "number one selling item". Review the specifications and then take a look at their "bigger" model. Review those specifications and check the price. That should produce a state of understanding in even the typical Slashdotter.</p><p>There's also Barnes and Noble's weak offering in the brand new (and very rapidly growing) e-reader market. And let's not forget Sony's offering - once again, check the features and pricing. In that market, the iPad is a very, very strong entry. The music playing and video watching and email (etc. etc.) is just icing on the cake.</p><p>I've got an iPod Touch, a notebook, and a netbook here at home. Each does what it was designed to do and I like all of them except the netbook - that hateful little thing should never have been built. The writing is on the wall (so to speak) and digital books are going to be just as important as digital music. So what are you going to use to read your digital books? You can disagree with Mr. Jobs all you want - but he usually knows what he's doing. These will sell like hotcakes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that the unfortunate comparison between the iPad and a netbook keeps being made ?
The iPad is n't trying to be a netbook - and a netbook does n't try to be an iPad - that 's not where the iPad is really targeted.To become more clueful , visit Amazon and right there on the main page they 're promoting their " number one selling item " .
Review the specifications and then take a look at their " bigger " model .
Review those specifications and check the price .
That should produce a state of understanding in even the typical Slashdotter.There 's also Barnes and Noble 's weak offering in the brand new ( and very rapidly growing ) e-reader market .
And let 's not forget Sony 's offering - once again , check the features and pricing .
In that market , the iPad is a very , very strong entry .
The music playing and video watching and email ( etc .
etc. ) is just icing on the cake.I 've got an iPod Touch , a notebook , and a netbook here at home .
Each does what it was designed to do and I like all of them except the netbook - that hateful little thing should never have been built .
The writing is on the wall ( so to speak ) and digital books are going to be just as important as digital music .
So what are you going to use to read your digital books ?
You can disagree with Mr. Jobs all you want - but he usually knows what he 's doing .
These will sell like hotcakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that the unfortunate comparison between the iPad and a netbook keeps being made?
The iPad isn't trying to be a netbook - and a netbook doesn't try to be an iPad - that's not where the iPad is really targeted.To become more clueful, visit Amazon and right there on the main page they're promoting their "number one selling item".
Review the specifications and then take a look at their "bigger" model.
Review those specifications and check the price.
That should produce a state of understanding in even the typical Slashdotter.There's also Barnes and Noble's weak offering in the brand new (and very rapidly growing) e-reader market.
And let's not forget Sony's offering - once again, check the features and pricing.
In that market, the iPad is a very, very strong entry.
The music playing and video watching and email (etc.
etc.) is just icing on the cake.I've got an iPod Touch, a notebook, and a netbook here at home.
Each does what it was designed to do and I like all of them except the netbook - that hateful little thing should never have been built.
The writing is on the wall (so to speak) and digital books are going to be just as important as digital music.
So what are you going to use to read your digital books?
You can disagree with Mr. Jobs all you want - but he usually knows what he's doing.
These will sell like hotcakes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273406</id>
	<title>"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Magic" is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.</p><p>As a happy owner of the iPad Nano (aka iPod Touch) for over a year now, Apple has real potential here in the scaled-up version, and this really is a good description of why the iPad may sell and the iPhone has sold: a cohesive user experience.</p><p>And here's one of the big uses: VNC.  Have the iPad be the remote desktop to your "real" computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Magic " is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.As a happy owner of the iPad Nano ( aka iPod Touch ) for over a year now , Apple has real potential here in the scaled-up version , and this really is a good description of why the iPad may sell and the iPhone has sold : a cohesive user experience.And here 's one of the big uses : VNC .
Have the iPad be the remote desktop to your " real " computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Magic" is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.As a happy owner of the iPad Nano (aka iPod Touch) for over a year now, Apple has real potential here in the scaled-up version, and this really is a good description of why the iPad may sell and the iPhone has sold: a cohesive user experience.And here's one of the big uses: VNC.
Have the iPad be the remote desktop to your "real" computer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277356</id>
	<title>Re:Sales?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267091100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes it does.  it's called the Apple store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes it does .
it 's called the Apple store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes it does.
it's called the Apple store.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277342</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1267091040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would've told you to pick up a Hyundai Accent or a Ford Focus, but let's face it, unlike the Kia, the iPad has no competing devices in it's price range for what it does in it's form factor.  Windows based tablets are what, a grand?  MSI's got a 500 dollar tablet with Android, but Android doesn't have the same App support the iPhone/iPad has.  Backgrounding is nice, but, really, not that important.</p><p>I'm not going to say that anyone who picks up an MSI tablet is doing themselves wrong, I just think that given the options, many consumers are going to go with the iPad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would 've told you to pick up a Hyundai Accent or a Ford Focus , but let 's face it , unlike the Kia , the iPad has no competing devices in it 's price range for what it does in it 's form factor .
Windows based tablets are what , a grand ?
MSI 's got a 500 dollar tablet with Android , but Android does n't have the same App support the iPhone/iPad has .
Backgrounding is nice , but , really , not that important.I 'm not going to say that anyone who picks up an MSI tablet is doing themselves wrong , I just think that given the options , many consumers are going to go with the iPad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would've told you to pick up a Hyundai Accent or a Ford Focus, but let's face it, unlike the Kia, the iPad has no competing devices in it's price range for what it does in it's form factor.
Windows based tablets are what, a grand?
MSI's got a 500 dollar tablet with Android, but Android doesn't have the same App support the iPhone/iPad has.
Backgrounding is nice, but, really, not that important.I'm not going to say that anyone who picks up an MSI tablet is doing themselves wrong, I just think that given the options, many consumers are going to go with the iPad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274114</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>sdpuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1267122240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You get it.
<p>(apparently the mods get it it too)</p><p>
Most everyone else here doesn't - "oh, the iPad is missing this and that and netbook is less expensive..."
</p><p>
For those that don't get what Microlith wrote above and my comment, perhaps a car analogy would be in order.
</p><p>
In fact in this case a car analogy would be perfect.
</p><p>
Most people buy a car, they want it to get from point A to point B and they want it to be reliable and to work; comfortable and easy to drive.
</p><p>
They don't need the complexity of manual transmission.  One pedal makes it go, the other makes it stop.
</p><p>
They don't care about the horsepower or how many cylinders or anything that goes on under the hood.
</p><p>
They don't care about pinstriping or fuzzy dice or spoilers.
</p><p>
They don't care what the mechanic does under the hood every 3 months.
</p><p>
They don't care that you can go under the hood and twist this screw or that screw.
</p><p>
They don't to trade off reliability to have a car that works in this certain innovative way.
</p><p>
They just want it to get from point A to point B and they want it to be reliable and to work; comfortable and easy to drive.
</p><p>
That's it.  THAT'S IT!!!
</p><p>
Same with computers.
</p><p>
Most people want a device that will do what they need to do. Don't care about the innards
</p><p>
I realize on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. this might sound like heresy, but we are different from those people.  We care about these things.  They don't.  They want a device without the "headaches".  Some of us might want an iPad - for what it does and it does well - when we're not coding the next great program or show off to our (cough) girlfriend how we cut our calculation time in half with our clever Perl ditty (while the girlfriend thinks " when is he going to be able to afford to buy me some REAL pearls?")
</p><p>
Now I was going to use a girlfriend analogy, with one girl being high maintenance but does everything - everything, and the other low maintenance, sweet, really good friend kind of girl, but then this <i>is</i> SlashDot and most would understand about as well the distinction between a netbook and iPad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get it .
( apparently the mods get it it too ) Most everyone else here does n't - " oh , the iPad is missing this and that and netbook is less expensive... " For those that do n't get what Microlith wrote above and my comment , perhaps a car analogy would be in order .
In fact in this case a car analogy would be perfect .
Most people buy a car , they want it to get from point A to point B and they want it to be reliable and to work ; comfortable and easy to drive .
They do n't need the complexity of manual transmission .
One pedal makes it go , the other makes it stop .
They do n't care about the horsepower or how many cylinders or anything that goes on under the hood .
They do n't care about pinstriping or fuzzy dice or spoilers .
They do n't care what the mechanic does under the hood every 3 months .
They do n't care that you can go under the hood and twist this screw or that screw .
They do n't to trade off reliability to have a car that works in this certain innovative way .
They just want it to get from point A to point B and they want it to be reliable and to work ; comfortable and easy to drive .
That 's it .
THAT 'S IT ! ! !
Same with computers .
Most people want a device that will do what they need to do .
Do n't care about the innards I realize on / .
this might sound like heresy , but we are different from those people .
We care about these things .
They do n't .
They want a device without the " headaches " .
Some of us might want an iPad - for what it does and it does well - when we 're not coding the next great program or show off to our ( cough ) girlfriend how we cut our calculation time in half with our clever Perl ditty ( while the girlfriend thinks " when is he going to be able to afford to buy me some REAL pearls ?
" ) Now I was going to use a girlfriend analogy , with one girl being high maintenance but does everything - everything , and the other low maintenance , sweet , really good friend kind of girl , but then this is SlashDot and most would understand about as well the distinction between a netbook and iPad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get it.
(apparently the mods get it it too)
Most everyone else here doesn't - "oh, the iPad is missing this and that and netbook is less expensive..."

For those that don't get what Microlith wrote above and my comment, perhaps a car analogy would be in order.
In fact in this case a car analogy would be perfect.
Most people buy a car, they want it to get from point A to point B and they want it to be reliable and to work; comfortable and easy to drive.
They don't need the complexity of manual transmission.
One pedal makes it go, the other makes it stop.
They don't care about the horsepower or how many cylinders or anything that goes on under the hood.
They don't care about pinstriping or fuzzy dice or spoilers.
They don't care what the mechanic does under the hood every 3 months.
They don't care that you can go under the hood and twist this screw or that screw.
They don't to trade off reliability to have a car that works in this certain innovative way.
They just want it to get from point A to point B and they want it to be reliable and to work; comfortable and easy to drive.
That's it.
THAT'S IT!!!
Same with computers.
Most people want a device that will do what they need to do.
Don't care about the innards

I realize on /.
this might sound like heresy, but we are different from those people.
We care about these things.
They don't.
They want a device without the "headaches".
Some of us might want an iPad - for what it does and it does well - when we're not coding the next great program or show off to our (cough) girlfriend how we cut our calculation time in half with our clever Perl ditty (while the girlfriend thinks " when is he going to be able to afford to buy me some REAL pearls?
")

Now I was going to use a girlfriend analogy, with one girl being high maintenance but does everything - everything, and the other low maintenance, sweet, really good friend kind of girl, but then this is SlashDot and most would understand about as well the distinction between a netbook and iPad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277566</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267092000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I call them iSuckers nothing you couldn't do with a general purpose netbook.  The iPad is a crippled computer don't try and make it into something else all of it's limitations are arbitrary.  It's an interface to iTunes wake up and smell the coffee iSucker....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I call them iSuckers nothing you could n't do with a general purpose netbook .
The iPad is a crippled computer do n't try and make it into something else all of it 's limitations are arbitrary .
It 's an interface to iTunes wake up and smell the coffee iSucker... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I call them iSuckers nothing you couldn't do with a general purpose netbook.
The iPad is a crippled computer don't try and make it into something else all of it's limitations are arbitrary.
It's an interface to iTunes wake up and smell the coffee iSucker....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274032</id>
	<title>Poor choice of words</title>
	<author>CHK6</author>
	<datestamp>1267122000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's really a poor choice of words coming from the COO about the super sized iPod Apple just cranked out. I'd expect that from marketing, but the COO? I guess disillusion sets in when visions of grandeur hit the floor like a wet towel. Sounds more like a desperate pitch and cry and not from a place of leverage and strength. <br> <br> What's next a theme Apple amusement park with apple eared hats and creepy Genius Bar employees running rides with magical user experiences?<br> <br>Come on, he's a COO, act like one and make some freaking money instead of burning it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's really a poor choice of words coming from the COO about the super sized iPod Apple just cranked out .
I 'd expect that from marketing , but the COO ?
I guess disillusion sets in when visions of grandeur hit the floor like a wet towel .
Sounds more like a desperate pitch and cry and not from a place of leverage and strength .
What 's next a theme Apple amusement park with apple eared hats and creepy Genius Bar employees running rides with magical user experiences ?
Come on , he 's a COO , act like one and make some freaking money instead of burning it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's really a poor choice of words coming from the COO about the super sized iPod Apple just cranked out.
I'd expect that from marketing, but the COO?
I guess disillusion sets in when visions of grandeur hit the floor like a wet towel.
Sounds more like a desperate pitch and cry and not from a place of leverage and strength.
What's next a theme Apple amusement park with apple eared hats and creepy Genius Bar employees running rides with magical user experiences?
Come on, he's a COO, act like one and make some freaking money instead of burning it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274888</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>mblase</author>
	<datestamp>1267124700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name. But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop. The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.</i></p><p>There's something else some people have overlooked, I think: the 3G networking. That means that if your mom and dad got one for just surfing and emailing from the bedroom, they don't need to buy broadband internet and a Wi-Fi router (unless they already have one), they can just spend $20/month directly to AT&amp;T without needing to worry about anything else.</p><p>As a computer-for-someone-who-hates-computers, it's nearly perfect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A netbook is cheaper , probably has better battery life , is less " closed " , and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name .
But , sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics ( ca n't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com ) , I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop .
The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.There 's something else some people have overlooked , I think : the 3G networking .
That means that if your mom and dad got one for just surfing and emailing from the bedroom , they do n't need to buy broadband internet and a Wi-Fi router ( unless they already have one ) , they can just spend $ 20/month directly to AT&amp;T without needing to worry about anything else.As a computer-for-someone-who-hates-computers , it 's nearly perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name.
But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop.
The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.There's something else some people have overlooked, I think: the 3G networking.
That means that if your mom and dad got one for just surfing and emailing from the bedroom, they don't need to buy broadband internet and a Wi-Fi router (unless they already have one), they can just spend $20/month directly to AT&amp;T without needing to worry about anything else.As a computer-for-someone-who-hates-computers, it's nearly perfect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31281460</id>
	<title>iPad Price</title>
	<author>ma foreclosures</author>
	<datestamp>1267118880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The right price for the iPad should be $199. Way too inflated!!!!!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The right price for the iPad should be $ 199 .
Way too inflated ! ! ! ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The right price for the iPad should be $199.
Way too inflated!!!!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31283264</id>
	<title>Why compare with netbooks?</title>
	<author>skremon</author>
	<datestamp>1267185120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know why they are targeting netbooks as their competitor. iPad like all other apple products is kind of a luxury product rather than an affordable one. I don't like the netbook because of their form factor (I call it the 'crampbook') but the lack of multitasking is enough to keep me away from the iPad (come on! even the relatively advanced mobile phones can multi task!!) I wouldn't call that Magic. (Maybe their mana bar has a lower limit after all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) )</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know why they are targeting netbooks as their competitor .
iPad like all other apple products is kind of a luxury product rather than an affordable one .
I do n't like the netbook because of their form factor ( I call it the 'crampbook ' ) but the lack of multitasking is enough to keep me away from the iPad ( come on !
even the relatively advanced mobile phones can multi task ! !
) I would n't call that Magic .
( Maybe their mana bar has a lower limit after all : ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know why they are targeting netbooks as their competitor.
iPad like all other apple products is kind of a luxury product rather than an affordable one.
I don't like the netbook because of their form factor (I call it the 'crampbook') but the lack of multitasking is enough to keep me away from the iPad (come on!
even the relatively advanced mobile phones can multi task!!
) I wouldn't call that Magic.
(Maybe their mana bar has a lower limit after all :) )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31309492</id>
	<title>Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age" ...</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1267357140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... was not subtitled "The Young Lady's Illustrated Netbook." Why not? Because that would SUCK. The device in The Diamond Age is a "book" not a "computer". Same exact thing with iPad. Any technical hurdles at all are like putting a lock and key on books. Like you have to do a Rubik's Cube to get into a dictionary. It shuts people out from knowledge. Technical people are not shut out from iPad, either. There is a Cisco app that lets you VPN into any computer on the Internet and pull up its graphical desktop, this will be the very best platform for all the huge computer books with optical discs in the back, it will hold 10,000 of them for you. The 2-page book view on iPad is the first eReader that can show 100\% of the books in your bookstore or library just as they were meant to be viewed.</p><p>It's really strange how many nerds are such traditionalists these days. If it's not a clone of the 1991 PowerBook form factor with a clone of the 1995 Windows operating system, they're all crotchety like "get off my lawn you kids!" It's actually only Generation X that feels this way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...people who are 20 or 60 right now want the computer to go away, they want it to be totally transparent, they want to do Facebook or look up recipes, not compile anything or run anti-virus. But people who are 40 and use a computer can't get their head out of DOS and BIOS and other nostalgia they feel they have hard-fought knowledge and mastery of. It's like "I spent all these years learning how to use a computer and now Apple is going to make it easy? Fuck no!" Intel EFI is like 5 years old and only Apple is using it.</p><p>The $499 iPad is going to last people for 2 years and cost them $0 in IT consulting, $0 in software upgrades, and $0 in anti-virus and security software. That is $1 per business day. It's going to ask the user to spend almost no time configuring it or troubleshooting it. For a nerd to say that is expensive when nerds know full well how much IT hours cost is disingenuous at best, malicious at worst.</p><p>Me personally, I think making IT hours go away is magic enough. The fact that so many who have used an iPad describe it as a magical experience is icing on the cake.</p><p>And I think the iPad's Web browser is magic enough on its own, and is what all Web browsers will be in a few years: HTML5, GPU-accelerated graphics, world class typography, color managed images, ISO audio video, Unix networking, buttons/links you can press with your finger, pinch zooming, and flicking to scroll with physics. It makes the Web extremely rich and natural. It's magical compared to IE and the mouse cursor and scroller and + and - keys that most people are using right now, that's for sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... was not subtitled " The Young Lady 's Illustrated Netbook .
" Why not ?
Because that would SUCK .
The device in The Diamond Age is a " book " not a " computer " .
Same exact thing with iPad .
Any technical hurdles at all are like putting a lock and key on books .
Like you have to do a Rubik 's Cube to get into a dictionary .
It shuts people out from knowledge .
Technical people are not shut out from iPad , either .
There is a Cisco app that lets you VPN into any computer on the Internet and pull up its graphical desktop , this will be the very best platform for all the huge computer books with optical discs in the back , it will hold 10,000 of them for you .
The 2-page book view on iPad is the first eReader that can show 100 \ % of the books in your bookstore or library just as they were meant to be viewed.It 's really strange how many nerds are such traditionalists these days .
If it 's not a clone of the 1991 PowerBook form factor with a clone of the 1995 Windows operating system , they 're all crotchety like " get off my lawn you kids !
" It 's actually only Generation X that feels this way ...people who are 20 or 60 right now want the computer to go away , they want it to be totally transparent , they want to do Facebook or look up recipes , not compile anything or run anti-virus .
But people who are 40 and use a computer ca n't get their head out of DOS and BIOS and other nostalgia they feel they have hard-fought knowledge and mastery of .
It 's like " I spent all these years learning how to use a computer and now Apple is going to make it easy ?
Fuck no !
" Intel EFI is like 5 years old and only Apple is using it.The $ 499 iPad is going to last people for 2 years and cost them $ 0 in IT consulting , $ 0 in software upgrades , and $ 0 in anti-virus and security software .
That is $ 1 per business day .
It 's going to ask the user to spend almost no time configuring it or troubleshooting it .
For a nerd to say that is expensive when nerds know full well how much IT hours cost is disingenuous at best , malicious at worst.Me personally , I think making IT hours go away is magic enough .
The fact that so many who have used an iPad describe it as a magical experience is icing on the cake.And I think the iPad 's Web browser is magic enough on its own , and is what all Web browsers will be in a few years : HTML5 , GPU-accelerated graphics , world class typography , color managed images , ISO audio video , Unix networking , buttons/links you can press with your finger , pinch zooming , and flicking to scroll with physics .
It makes the Web extremely rich and natural .
It 's magical compared to IE and the mouse cursor and scroller and + and - keys that most people are using right now , that 's for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... was not subtitled "The Young Lady's Illustrated Netbook.
" Why not?
Because that would SUCK.
The device in The Diamond Age is a "book" not a "computer".
Same exact thing with iPad.
Any technical hurdles at all are like putting a lock and key on books.
Like you have to do a Rubik's Cube to get into a dictionary.
It shuts people out from knowledge.
Technical people are not shut out from iPad, either.
There is a Cisco app that lets you VPN into any computer on the Internet and pull up its graphical desktop, this will be the very best platform for all the huge computer books with optical discs in the back, it will hold 10,000 of them for you.
The 2-page book view on iPad is the first eReader that can show 100\% of the books in your bookstore or library just as they were meant to be viewed.It's really strange how many nerds are such traditionalists these days.
If it's not a clone of the 1991 PowerBook form factor with a clone of the 1995 Windows operating system, they're all crotchety like "get off my lawn you kids!
" It's actually only Generation X that feels this way ...people who are 20 or 60 right now want the computer to go away, they want it to be totally transparent, they want to do Facebook or look up recipes, not compile anything or run anti-virus.
But people who are 40 and use a computer can't get their head out of DOS and BIOS and other nostalgia they feel they have hard-fought knowledge and mastery of.
It's like "I spent all these years learning how to use a computer and now Apple is going to make it easy?
Fuck no!
" Intel EFI is like 5 years old and only Apple is using it.The $499 iPad is going to last people for 2 years and cost them $0 in IT consulting, $0 in software upgrades, and $0 in anti-virus and security software.
That is $1 per business day.
It's going to ask the user to spend almost no time configuring it or troubleshooting it.
For a nerd to say that is expensive when nerds know full well how much IT hours cost is disingenuous at best, malicious at worst.Me personally, I think making IT hours go away is magic enough.
The fact that so many who have used an iPad describe it as a magical experience is icing on the cake.And I think the iPad's Web browser is magic enough on its own, and is what all Web browsers will be in a few years: HTML5, GPU-accelerated graphics, world class typography, color managed images, ISO audio video, Unix networking, buttons/links you can press with your finger, pinch zooming, and flicking to scroll with physics.
It makes the Web extremely rich and natural.
It's magical compared to IE and the mouse cursor and scroller and + and - keys that most people are using right now, that's for sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273312</id>
	<title>Magic can be used up.</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1267119600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much magic is left in the Apple Lisa?</p><p>I wouldn't depend on *that* for long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much magic is left in the Apple Lisa ? I would n't depend on * that * for long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much magic is left in the Apple Lisa?I wouldn't depend on *that* for long.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278516</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>SoupIsGoodFood\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1267095780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Apple may be good at UI design, but once you start setting the iPad down because it is too big to keep holding all the time, things will start to get annoying in a hurry.</i></p><p>Why do you think it's too big to hold for long periods of time? Is that simply speculation, or do you have some evidence to back that up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple may be good at UI design , but once you start setting the iPad down because it is too big to keep holding all the time , things will start to get annoying in a hurry.Why do you think it 's too big to hold for long periods of time ?
Is that simply speculation , or do you have some evidence to back that up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple may be good at UI design, but once you start setting the iPad down because it is too big to keep holding all the time, things will start to get annoying in a hurry.Why do you think it's too big to hold for long periods of time?
Is that simply speculation, or do you have some evidence to back that up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274540</id>
	<title>New iPad Smell...</title>
	<author>TavisJohn</author>
	<datestamp>1267123620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And when that "Magic" wears off you will be stuck with an oversized iPod Touch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And when that " Magic " wears off you will be stuck with an oversized iPod Touch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And when that "Magic" wears off you will be stuck with an oversized iPod Touch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274634</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 Totally Agree
<br> <br>
The venom with which many geeks respond to the iPad astounds me.  It's a tool, that's all.  Don't like it?  Don't buy it.  But when you ridicule someone for being interested, you sound like a moron.  I had a neighbor once who was actually disgusted that I bought a Kia Sportage.  He told me all about what his car could do with it's hemi and modified suspension, wide tires and upgraded exhaust system.  He said he'd challenge me to a race, any time, any day.
<br> <br>
I told him I'd accept, as long as it was on a curvy, snowy mountain road in Lake Tahoe.
<br> <br>
Don't get me wrong.  I love fast cars.  I love being able to hit the gas and have the tires squirrel out a little as I go from 60 to 100 in a few seconds.  But I love skiing even more, so I bought the car that was right for the job.
<br> <br>
For so many people, a simple interface without a lot of flexibility is all they need.  It's "good enough".  Your experience with the iPod Touch is almost exactly parallel to mine (although I like it fine for listening to music if and when I can put on headphones and block out the world), and I think the iPad is a great idea.  I'm thinking of going for the low-end one with the 3g option.  I'll probably wait a couple of revisions, not only to see if there are problems, but also to see if any competitor comes up with something better.  If Dell makes a better tablet, then fine.  I'll buy a Dell.
<br> <br>
And I have to say, I totally agree with the Apple stance on netbooks.  I've used a few, and they're fine and flexible and all, but if I'm doing something that needs a full keyboard, then I'm interested in a full sized laptop.  I know there are people out there who are price sensitive, but that's not really who buys and uses netbooks.  The netbook market is geeks who like to max out whatever hardware they're using.  If they want to buy a $200 system that can run Windows or Linux and play their favorite Win-based game, more power to them.  Based on my experience, I'm not going to buy anything like that, except maybe for my kid when he gets old enough to learn how to code.
<br> <br>
Apple is a consumer electronics company, and they are building products that maybe a significant portion of SlashDot doesn't care about or won't use for philosophical reasons.  Does that mean it's a bad product?  I don't know.  To draw a parallel based on the common joke about the product, I'm a man and have never, ever had a need for a maxi pad.  But to say that it's worthless because it won't do anything for a man is ridiculous.  It ignores the three billion people in the world who might indeed need to buy thousands of them over each of their lifetimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 Totally Agree The venom with which many geeks respond to the iPad astounds me .
It 's a tool , that 's all .
Do n't like it ?
Do n't buy it .
But when you ridicule someone for being interested , you sound like a moron .
I had a neighbor once who was actually disgusted that I bought a Kia Sportage .
He told me all about what his car could do with it 's hemi and modified suspension , wide tires and upgraded exhaust system .
He said he 'd challenge me to a race , any time , any day .
I told him I 'd accept , as long as it was on a curvy , snowy mountain road in Lake Tahoe .
Do n't get me wrong .
I love fast cars .
I love being able to hit the gas and have the tires squirrel out a little as I go from 60 to 100 in a few seconds .
But I love skiing even more , so I bought the car that was right for the job .
For so many people , a simple interface without a lot of flexibility is all they need .
It 's " good enough " .
Your experience with the iPod Touch is almost exactly parallel to mine ( although I like it fine for listening to music if and when I can put on headphones and block out the world ) , and I think the iPad is a great idea .
I 'm thinking of going for the low-end one with the 3g option .
I 'll probably wait a couple of revisions , not only to see if there are problems , but also to see if any competitor comes up with something better .
If Dell makes a better tablet , then fine .
I 'll buy a Dell .
And I have to say , I totally agree with the Apple stance on netbooks .
I 've used a few , and they 're fine and flexible and all , but if I 'm doing something that needs a full keyboard , then I 'm interested in a full sized laptop .
I know there are people out there who are price sensitive , but that 's not really who buys and uses netbooks .
The netbook market is geeks who like to max out whatever hardware they 're using .
If they want to buy a $ 200 system that can run Windows or Linux and play their favorite Win-based game , more power to them .
Based on my experience , I 'm not going to buy anything like that , except maybe for my kid when he gets old enough to learn how to code .
Apple is a consumer electronics company , and they are building products that maybe a significant portion of SlashDot does n't care about or wo n't use for philosophical reasons .
Does that mean it 's a bad product ?
I do n't know .
To draw a parallel based on the common joke about the product , I 'm a man and have never , ever had a need for a maxi pad .
But to say that it 's worthless because it wo n't do anything for a man is ridiculous .
It ignores the three billion people in the world who might indeed need to buy thousands of them over each of their lifetimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 Totally Agree
 
The venom with which many geeks respond to the iPad astounds me.
It's a tool, that's all.
Don't like it?
Don't buy it.
But when you ridicule someone for being interested, you sound like a moron.
I had a neighbor once who was actually disgusted that I bought a Kia Sportage.
He told me all about what his car could do with it's hemi and modified suspension, wide tires and upgraded exhaust system.
He said he'd challenge me to a race, any time, any day.
I told him I'd accept, as long as it was on a curvy, snowy mountain road in Lake Tahoe.
Don't get me wrong.
I love fast cars.
I love being able to hit the gas and have the tires squirrel out a little as I go from 60 to 100 in a few seconds.
But I love skiing even more, so I bought the car that was right for the job.
For so many people, a simple interface without a lot of flexibility is all they need.
It's "good enough".
Your experience with the iPod Touch is almost exactly parallel to mine (although I like it fine for listening to music if and when I can put on headphones and block out the world), and I think the iPad is a great idea.
I'm thinking of going for the low-end one with the 3g option.
I'll probably wait a couple of revisions, not only to see if there are problems, but also to see if any competitor comes up with something better.
If Dell makes a better tablet, then fine.
I'll buy a Dell.
And I have to say, I totally agree with the Apple stance on netbooks.
I've used a few, and they're fine and flexible and all, but if I'm doing something that needs a full keyboard, then I'm interested in a full sized laptop.
I know there are people out there who are price sensitive, but that's not really who buys and uses netbooks.
The netbook market is geeks who like to max out whatever hardware they're using.
If they want to buy a $200 system that can run Windows or Linux and play their favorite Win-based game, more power to them.
Based on my experience, I'm not going to buy anything like that, except maybe for my kid when he gets old enough to learn how to code.
Apple is a consumer electronics company, and they are building products that maybe a significant portion of SlashDot doesn't care about or won't use for philosophical reasons.
Does that mean it's a bad product?
I don't know.
To draw a parallel based on the common joke about the product, I'm a man and have never, ever had a need for a maxi pad.
But to say that it's worthless because it won't do anything for a man is ridiculous.
It ignores the three billion people in the world who might indeed need to buy thousands of them over each of their lifetimes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31283712</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1267191300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
This type of customer won't be too thrilled when their favourite Flash-enabled websites don't work properly/at all.
<br>
They could overlook this in a phone, but not in a netbook-competitor.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I would n't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money This type of customer wo n't be too thrilled when their favourite Flash-enabled websites do n't work properly/at all .
They could overlook this in a phone , but not in a netbook-competitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money

This type of customer won't be too thrilled when their favourite Flash-enabled websites don't work properly/at all.
They could overlook this in a phone, but not in a netbook-competitor.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275288</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1267126260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, and update your virus definitions.  And defrag your disk.  Be sure to reboot today.  Oh, update those drivers, too.</p></div><p>Linux works just fine on Netbooks, thanks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , and update your virus definitions .
And defrag your disk .
Be sure to reboot today .
Oh , update those drivers , too.Linux works just fine on Netbooks , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, and update your virus definitions.
And defrag your disk.
Be sure to reboot today.
Oh, update those drivers, too.Linux works just fine on Netbooks, thanks.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274564</id>
	<title>My experience oh so, so, feh.</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1267123680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I snarfed a Lenovo X41 tablet last summer.  It's not an iPad killer - uses a Wacom stylus, of course it's a Pentium M, 12" screen, but it gives me an interesting adventure into the tablet world. My experience?</p><p>- Touchscreens will be a little awkward at first.  You have to be careful not to graze the surface, or you will be selecting that pr0n site you didn't want by accident.  With a stylus, this is less a problem, since I only deal with waving the stylus too close to the screen and moving/selecting by accident.  I have to press (click) to do damage, unless I'm moving something I didn't want to.. Of course.</p><p>- Holding a tablet in your lap sucks.  the screen angle is wrong.  So you cradle it somehow.  Remember <i>Die Another Day</i>, when the Elliot Carver character was prancing around with a touch tablet, furiously typing tomorrow's headline of world destruction?  Trust me, he doesn't do that for very long before he gets tired of the crooked arm and gets comfortable.  But that's just a movie. You won't do that for more than 20 minutes.  And not on a bus, or train, or any crowded place.  It's not as comfortable as it looks, at least not for me.</p><p>- Touch-typing will suck bigtime, more than on a iPhone.  The tablet in the crook of your arm moves more than you think it would.  You will miss keys.  The iPhone you can control the movement of.  And do you often have your palm or another finger on the iPhone  while you use another finger on the same hand to type with, and of course thumb-type?  The iPad is too big to do that well.  I have G1 also, and touchtyping is tolerable on it, but I love having a keyboard when I need to ssh in and get something done.</p><p>- Browsing on a table is very cool, so long as you go to sites you already know about.  Entering search terms means you stop touching and start typing.  See above.  But once you're idly surfing around Google results, well, it's actually easy and fun-ish.  Scrolling will be sweet on an iPad, since Lenovo doesn't have multitouch for stylus-bound tablets.  Now, if I could get a fingertip stylus, well...  But this is a win for the iPad, mostly.</p><p>- Setting it up and using a real keyboard?  Well, that will probably mean a Bluetooth keyboard and a stand.  Another thing to lose.  Or someone will come up with a snap on carry case that houses a keyboard.</p><p>Compared to netbooks, an iPad gets you OS X, iPhone-like interface, a bigger but 4:3 screen.  I bet Android netbooks will deliver a similar experience.</p><p>Fight's on!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I snarfed a Lenovo X41 tablet last summer .
It 's not an iPad killer - uses a Wacom stylus , of course it 's a Pentium M , 12 " screen , but it gives me an interesting adventure into the tablet world .
My experience ? - Touchscreens will be a little awkward at first .
You have to be careful not to graze the surface , or you will be selecting that pr0n site you did n't want by accident .
With a stylus , this is less a problem , since I only deal with waving the stylus too close to the screen and moving/selecting by accident .
I have to press ( click ) to do damage , unless I 'm moving something I did n't want to.. Of course.- Holding a tablet in your lap sucks .
the screen angle is wrong .
So you cradle it somehow .
Remember Die Another Day , when the Elliot Carver character was prancing around with a touch tablet , furiously typing tomorrow 's headline of world destruction ?
Trust me , he does n't do that for very long before he gets tired of the crooked arm and gets comfortable .
But that 's just a movie .
You wo n't do that for more than 20 minutes .
And not on a bus , or train , or any crowded place .
It 's not as comfortable as it looks , at least not for me.- Touch-typing will suck bigtime , more than on a iPhone .
The tablet in the crook of your arm moves more than you think it would .
You will miss keys .
The iPhone you can control the movement of .
And do you often have your palm or another finger on the iPhone while you use another finger on the same hand to type with , and of course thumb-type ?
The iPad is too big to do that well .
I have G1 also , and touchtyping is tolerable on it , but I love having a keyboard when I need to ssh in and get something done.- Browsing on a table is very cool , so long as you go to sites you already know about .
Entering search terms means you stop touching and start typing .
See above .
But once you 're idly surfing around Google results , well , it 's actually easy and fun-ish .
Scrolling will be sweet on an iPad , since Lenovo does n't have multitouch for stylus-bound tablets .
Now , if I could get a fingertip stylus , well... But this is a win for the iPad , mostly.- Setting it up and using a real keyboard ?
Well , that will probably mean a Bluetooth keyboard and a stand .
Another thing to lose .
Or someone will come up with a snap on carry case that houses a keyboard.Compared to netbooks , an iPad gets you OS X , iPhone-like interface , a bigger but 4 : 3 screen .
I bet Android netbooks will deliver a similar experience.Fight 's on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I snarfed a Lenovo X41 tablet last summer.
It's not an iPad killer - uses a Wacom stylus, of course it's a Pentium M, 12" screen, but it gives me an interesting adventure into the tablet world.
My experience?- Touchscreens will be a little awkward at first.
You have to be careful not to graze the surface, or you will be selecting that pr0n site you didn't want by accident.
With a stylus, this is less a problem, since I only deal with waving the stylus too close to the screen and moving/selecting by accident.
I have to press (click) to do damage, unless I'm moving something I didn't want to.. Of course.- Holding a tablet in your lap sucks.
the screen angle is wrong.
So you cradle it somehow.
Remember Die Another Day, when the Elliot Carver character was prancing around with a touch tablet, furiously typing tomorrow's headline of world destruction?
Trust me, he doesn't do that for very long before he gets tired of the crooked arm and gets comfortable.
But that's just a movie.
You won't do that for more than 20 minutes.
And not on a bus, or train, or any crowded place.
It's not as comfortable as it looks, at least not for me.- Touch-typing will suck bigtime, more than on a iPhone.
The tablet in the crook of your arm moves more than you think it would.
You will miss keys.
The iPhone you can control the movement of.
And do you often have your palm or another finger on the iPhone  while you use another finger on the same hand to type with, and of course thumb-type?
The iPad is too big to do that well.
I have G1 also, and touchtyping is tolerable on it, but I love having a keyboard when I need to ssh in and get something done.- Browsing on a table is very cool, so long as you go to sites you already know about.
Entering search terms means you stop touching and start typing.
See above.
But once you're idly surfing around Google results, well, it's actually easy and fun-ish.
Scrolling will be sweet on an iPad, since Lenovo doesn't have multitouch for stylus-bound tablets.
Now, if I could get a fingertip stylus, well...  But this is a win for the iPad, mostly.- Setting it up and using a real keyboard?
Well, that will probably mean a Bluetooth keyboard and a stand.
Another thing to lose.
Or someone will come up with a snap on carry case that houses a keyboard.Compared to netbooks, an iPad gets you OS X, iPhone-like interface, a bigger but 4:3 screen.
I bet Android netbooks will deliver a similar experience.Fight's on!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274158</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1267122420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?"<br> <br>For close to a grand, yes it does need to be more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch ?
" For close to a grand , yes it does need to be more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?
" For close to a grand, yes it does need to be more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280812</id>
	<title>Nobody knows.  It's the damned cat.</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1267111680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Schrodinger's Cat, that is.</p><p>It's so close either way, we're simply going to have to wait and see.</p><p>It could be Apple's "Vista" -or perhaps more accurately, Apple's "X-Box" (recalling that MS's gaming division has been a money pit for years).</p><p>Or it could be the next VHS medium.  -Technically inferior to the competition, but just happened to win over the Jonses.</p><p>Personally, I think it will flop.</p><p>-The tech consumers have nearly all written it off.  So in terms of herd mentality, the opinion crystallizing seems to be that you'll be a giant loser if you show up with an iPad at the watering hole.  I'm not sure Apple has enough marketing muscle to overcome that kind of popular trend.  Consider: Many of the people who love the iPhone hate the iPad.  Many people here have an iPhone and were very excited about it because of its clever design.  But those same people are at best rationalizing the benefits of the iPad, but most often are simply disappointed.  Not good.</p><p>-The uninformed regular consumer isn't going to be charmed by the iPad.  A phone is easy to carry in your pocket.  You can carry that around as well as a laptop and not feel like you're being redundant in your computing choices.  But an iPad occupies the same kind of mind-space as a laptop, and having to choose between the two will not go favorably for Apple.  You need a keyboard and some computing muscle to get anything real done in this world.</p><p>But I could be totally wrong.  Never under-estimate the buying power of the unwashed masses and idiotic popular trends.  Remember, "Crocs"?</p><p>Brr.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Schrodinger 's Cat , that is.It 's so close either way , we 're simply going to have to wait and see.It could be Apple 's " Vista " -or perhaps more accurately , Apple 's " X-Box " ( recalling that MS 's gaming division has been a money pit for years ) .Or it could be the next VHS medium .
-Technically inferior to the competition , but just happened to win over the Jonses.Personally , I think it will flop.-The tech consumers have nearly all written it off .
So in terms of herd mentality , the opinion crystallizing seems to be that you 'll be a giant loser if you show up with an iPad at the watering hole .
I 'm not sure Apple has enough marketing muscle to overcome that kind of popular trend .
Consider : Many of the people who love the iPhone hate the iPad .
Many people here have an iPhone and were very excited about it because of its clever design .
But those same people are at best rationalizing the benefits of the iPad , but most often are simply disappointed .
Not good.-The uninformed regular consumer is n't going to be charmed by the iPad .
A phone is easy to carry in your pocket .
You can carry that around as well as a laptop and not feel like you 're being redundant in your computing choices .
But an iPad occupies the same kind of mind-space as a laptop , and having to choose between the two will not go favorably for Apple .
You need a keyboard and some computing muscle to get anything real done in this world.But I could be totally wrong .
Never under-estimate the buying power of the unwashed masses and idiotic popular trends .
Remember , " Crocs " ? Brr.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Schrodinger's Cat, that is.It's so close either way, we're simply going to have to wait and see.It could be Apple's "Vista" -or perhaps more accurately, Apple's "X-Box" (recalling that MS's gaming division has been a money pit for years).Or it could be the next VHS medium.
-Technically inferior to the competition, but just happened to win over the Jonses.Personally, I think it will flop.-The tech consumers have nearly all written it off.
So in terms of herd mentality, the opinion crystallizing seems to be that you'll be a giant loser if you show up with an iPad at the watering hole.
I'm not sure Apple has enough marketing muscle to overcome that kind of popular trend.
Consider: Many of the people who love the iPhone hate the iPad.
Many people here have an iPhone and were very excited about it because of its clever design.
But those same people are at best rationalizing the benefits of the iPad, but most often are simply disappointed.
Not good.-The uninformed regular consumer isn't going to be charmed by the iPad.
A phone is easy to carry in your pocket.
You can carry that around as well as a laptop and not feel like you're being redundant in your computing choices.
But an iPad occupies the same kind of mind-space as a laptop, and having to choose between the two will not go favorably for Apple.
You need a keyboard and some computing muscle to get anything real done in this world.But I could be totally wrong.
Never under-estimate the buying power of the unwashed masses and idiotic popular trends.
Remember, "Crocs"?Brr.-FL</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273648</id>
	<title>Re:Sales?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267120800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>ever heard of a mac store?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ever heard of a mac store ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ever heard of a mac store?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276160</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>michael\_cain</author>
	<datestamp>1267129500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think Apple has taken a large gamble on the form factor,
since they don't have reasonable spur-of-the-instant input.
Digging out a wireless keyboard is a hassle.
Touch-typing on the flat screen is likely to prove difficult.
Check your calendar,
but adding new entries is hard.
Check your contact list,
but adding new people is hard.
Download a map,
but adding the notation that your friend says the bridge is out is hard.
Read your e-mail,
but don't compose a paragraph-length response.
I think the big question is whether
the iPad will survive the introduction of someone's similar device
that includes decent handwriting with a stylus.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Apple has taken a large gamble on the form factor , since they do n't have reasonable spur-of-the-instant input .
Digging out a wireless keyboard is a hassle .
Touch-typing on the flat screen is likely to prove difficult .
Check your calendar , but adding new entries is hard .
Check your contact list , but adding new people is hard .
Download a map , but adding the notation that your friend says the bridge is out is hard .
Read your e-mail , but do n't compose a paragraph-length response .
I think the big question is whether the iPad will survive the introduction of someone 's similar device that includes decent handwriting with a stylus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Apple has taken a large gamble on the form factor,
since they don't have reasonable spur-of-the-instant input.
Digging out a wireless keyboard is a hassle.
Touch-typing on the flat screen is likely to prove difficult.
Check your calendar,
but adding new entries is hard.
Check your contact list,
but adding new people is hard.
Download a map,
but adding the notation that your friend says the bridge is out is hard.
Read your e-mail,
but don't compose a paragraph-length response.
I think the big question is whether
the iPad will survive the introduction of someone's similar device
that includes decent handwriting with a stylus.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Sales?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267125000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"So your sales strategy involves a free trial for everyone?"</p><p>Sure, I think that's what the Apple Store is for...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" So your sales strategy involves a free trial for everyone ?
" Sure , I think that 's what the Apple Store is for.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"So your sales strategy involves a free trial for everyone?
"Sure, I think that's what the Apple Store is for...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278670</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>16K Ram Pack</author>
	<datestamp>1267096440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no shame in that, but saying it is not a computer just to excuse it's designed-in deficiencies is disingenuous.</p></div><p>I think this is one of the things that I find hard about this machine.</p><p>For me, as a programmer, the great thing about computers is the amazing flexibility of them. And what I find quite depressing about the iPad is how it's taking away that amazingness and reducing it to being a dishwasher or a TV.</p><p>(and I know that phones are really the same, but we don't expect a computer in that size).</p></div>
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<tokenext>There is no shame in that , but saying it is not a computer just to excuse it 's designed-in deficiencies is disingenuous.I think this is one of the things that I find hard about this machine.For me , as a programmer , the great thing about computers is the amazing flexibility of them .
And what I find quite depressing about the iPad is how it 's taking away that amazingness and reducing it to being a dishwasher or a TV .
( and I know that phones are really the same , but we do n't expect a computer in that size ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no shame in that, but saying it is not a computer just to excuse it's designed-in deficiencies is disingenuous.I think this is one of the things that I find hard about this machine.For me, as a programmer, the great thing about computers is the amazing flexibility of them.
And what I find quite depressing about the iPad is how it's taking away that amazingness and reducing it to being a dishwasher or a TV.
(and I know that phones are really the same, but we don't expect a computer in that size).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273816</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1267121280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money. It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.</p><p>As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.</p></div><p>I doubt I represent the market for the iPad.  I'm technical-minded and like to tinker with things.  I like using my devices in ways that weren't part of the original design (or taking advantage of other people's ideas to do the same).  For me, versatility and freedom are very important and I don't see that in the iPad.  But that doesn't mean the iPad doesn't have a place.</p><p>People are missing the point when they compare the iPad to a general computing device like a netbook.  The iPad isn't a "computer"; it's content delivery.  I'm wary of using the following comparison because of the geek overtones but bear with me.  In the Star Trek universe, the iPad is the small devices you see the Captain using to sign off duty logs or engineers referencing drive schematics while crawling around the innards of the ship.  They also have the ship's computer and terminals for different tasks.  But when it comes to handy, portable access to information - it's a tablet form.  And that's the iPad.</p><p>Now - there's all kinds of things involved on whether the iPad will pull this off.  Despite the hokeiness of the claim - the "magic" is really about how well the interface works to make presentation of information intuitive on this platform.  I have no clue whether Apple has it together on this.  But in the right context, the iPad offers a lot more possibilities than it is being given credit for.</p><p>But I'm still not going to rush out to buy one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I would n't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money .
It 's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community ( closed as it is , ) but in the " I do n't care I just want it to work " arena it may do quite well.As for what the hell the magic is , above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone , I do not know.I doubt I represent the market for the iPad .
I 'm technical-minded and like to tinker with things .
I like using my devices in ways that were n't part of the original design ( or taking advantage of other people 's ideas to do the same ) .
For me , versatility and freedom are very important and I do n't see that in the iPad .
But that does n't mean the iPad does n't have a place.People are missing the point when they compare the iPad to a general computing device like a netbook .
The iPad is n't a " computer " ; it 's content delivery .
I 'm wary of using the following comparison because of the geek overtones but bear with me .
In the Star Trek universe , the iPad is the small devices you see the Captain using to sign off duty logs or engineers referencing drive schematics while crawling around the innards of the ship .
They also have the ship 's computer and terminals for different tasks .
But when it comes to handy , portable access to information - it 's a tablet form .
And that 's the iPad.Now - there 's all kinds of things involved on whether the iPad will pull this off .
Despite the hokeiness of the claim - the " magic " is really about how well the interface works to make presentation of information intuitive on this platform .
I have no clue whether Apple has it together on this .
But in the right context , the iPad offers a lot more possibilities than it is being given credit for.But I 'm still not going to rush out to buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money.
It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.I doubt I represent the market for the iPad.
I'm technical-minded and like to tinker with things.
I like using my devices in ways that weren't part of the original design (or taking advantage of other people's ideas to do the same).
For me, versatility and freedom are very important and I don't see that in the iPad.
But that doesn't mean the iPad doesn't have a place.People are missing the point when they compare the iPad to a general computing device like a netbook.
The iPad isn't a "computer"; it's content delivery.
I'm wary of using the following comparison because of the geek overtones but bear with me.
In the Star Trek universe, the iPad is the small devices you see the Captain using to sign off duty logs or engineers referencing drive schematics while crawling around the innards of the ship.
They also have the ship's computer and terminals for different tasks.
But when it comes to handy, portable access to information - it's a tablet form.
And that's the iPad.Now - there's all kinds of things involved on whether the iPad will pull this off.
Despite the hokeiness of the claim - the "magic" is really about how well the interface works to make presentation of information intuitive on this platform.
I have no clue whether Apple has it together on this.
But in the right context, the iPad offers a lot more possibilities than it is being given credit for.But I'm still not going to rush out to buy one.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274574</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1267123740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, look, someone who doesn't get it.


The iPad is not a computer. If you want a computer, buy a computer. You obviously want a computer, based on your list. Don't buy an iPad - it's not the product that's right for you. You'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it's not the product you want. The iPad is, however, the product that a lot of people will want - people who aren't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer.</p></div><p>Did you even read the summary? If the Ipad is not a competitor to netbooks, how is it going to beat them? If the Ipad is a competitor to netbooks, how is the OPs comment evidence of not getting it? Netbooks are computers, Tim Cook said that the Ipad was going to beat them. That means that Tim Cook apparently thinks that the Ipad is a computer. <br>
I agree that the Ipad is not a computer. Therefore it is not a competitor to netbooks. It is, also, not cheap, which means once again it is not a competitor for netbooks. But the article we are discussing is talking about the Ipad competing with netbooks, so comments talking about things that netbooks have that the Ipad doesn't are valid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , look , someone who does n't get it .
The iPad is not a computer .
If you want a computer , buy a computer .
You obviously want a computer , based on your list .
Do n't buy an iPad - it 's not the product that 's right for you .
You 'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it 's not the product you want .
The iPad is , however , the product that a lot of people will want - people who are n't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer.Did you even read the summary ?
If the Ipad is not a competitor to netbooks , how is it going to beat them ?
If the Ipad is a competitor to netbooks , how is the OPs comment evidence of not getting it ?
Netbooks are computers , Tim Cook said that the Ipad was going to beat them .
That means that Tim Cook apparently thinks that the Ipad is a computer .
I agree that the Ipad is not a computer .
Therefore it is not a competitor to netbooks .
It is , also , not cheap , which means once again it is not a competitor for netbooks .
But the article we are discussing is talking about the Ipad competing with netbooks , so comments talking about things that netbooks have that the Ipad does n't are valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, look, someone who doesn't get it.
The iPad is not a computer.
If you want a computer, buy a computer.
You obviously want a computer, based on your list.
Don't buy an iPad - it's not the product that's right for you.
You'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it's not the product you want.
The iPad is, however, the product that a lot of people will want - people who aren't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer.Did you even read the summary?
If the Ipad is not a competitor to netbooks, how is it going to beat them?
If the Ipad is a competitor to netbooks, how is the OPs comment evidence of not getting it?
Netbooks are computers, Tim Cook said that the Ipad was going to beat them.
That means that Tim Cook apparently thinks that the Ipad is a computer.
I agree that the Ipad is not a computer.
Therefore it is not a competitor to netbooks.
It is, also, not cheap, which means once again it is not a competitor for netbooks.
But the article we are discussing is talking about the Ipad competing with netbooks, so comments talking about things that netbooks have that the Ipad doesn't are valid.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273974</id>
	<title>Usability IS magic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267121880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To technically adept people, a netbook is much more functional and capable than an ipad.  To technically inept people (the vast majority),<br>a netbook is too complicated to learn and use effectively, but an ipad isn't, and so for them the ipad actually delivers more functionality than the netbook. That's the magic of usability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To technically adept people , a netbook is much more functional and capable than an ipad .
To technically inept people ( the vast majority ) ,a netbook is too complicated to learn and use effectively , but an ipad is n't , and so for them the ipad actually delivers more functionality than the netbook .
That 's the magic of usability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To technically adept people, a netbook is much more functional and capable than an ipad.
To technically inept people (the vast majority),a netbook is too complicated to learn and use effectively, but an ipad isn't, and so for them the ipad actually delivers more functionality than the netbook.
That's the magic of usability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276606</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267131180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Magic" is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.</p></div><p>Don't waste your breath about good user interfaces here on Slashdot. Most of these people still prefer CLIs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Magic " is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.Do n't waste your breath about good user interfaces here on Slashdot .
Most of these people still prefer CLIs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Magic" is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.Don't waste your breath about good user interfaces here on Slashdot.
Most of these people still prefer CLIs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275468</id>
	<title>How'd that work for Toyota?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267126920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people here are claiming the "trust" that people have in the Apple brand justifies the higher price.</p><p>How'd that work for the people who trusted the Toyota brand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people here are claiming the " trust " that people have in the Apple brand justifies the higher price.How 'd that work for the people who trusted the Toyota brand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people here are claiming the "trust" that people have in the Apple brand justifies the higher price.How'd that work for the people who trusted the Toyota brand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274570</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Locklin</author>
	<datestamp>1267123680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm... So there's a tiny gremlin changing LCD pixels inside? The iPad is a computer by any definition of a computer. It is however, locked down using a limited firmware instead of a flexible operating system.  Buy it if you want a device that is entirely controlled by a third party. There is no shame in that, but saying it is not a computer just to excuse it's designed-in deficiencies is disingenuous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm... So there 's a tiny gremlin changing LCD pixels inside ?
The iPad is a computer by any definition of a computer .
It is however , locked down using a limited firmware instead of a flexible operating system .
Buy it if you want a device that is entirely controlled by a third party .
There is no shame in that , but saying it is not a computer just to excuse it 's designed-in deficiencies is disingenuous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm... So there's a tiny gremlin changing LCD pixels inside?
The iPad is a computer by any definition of a computer.
It is however, locked down using a limited firmware instead of a flexible operating system.
Buy it if you want a device that is entirely controlled by a third party.
There is no shame in that, but saying it is not a computer just to excuse it's designed-in deficiencies is disingenuous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274598</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>toastar</author>
	<datestamp>1267123800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>um.... I personally like having a keyboard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>um.... I personally like having a keyboard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>um.... I personally like having a keyboard</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277946</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267093680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>5. Apple's selling that slipcover thingy, I suspect they'll have huge sellthrough on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.</p></div><p>I would not be surprised in the slightest if hard cases with clamshell or reversible covers aren't available around release time.  Look at the huge array of cases available for the iPhones.  That's part of the reason why Apple announced it early: so manufacturers could develop for it (not just software) without being under draconian Apple NDAs.</p><p>One thing I have seen no mention of here is that the iPad weighs half as much as a typical netbook (1.5 lb. vs. 3 lb.).  Not only does this mean it's easier to carry around (big deal, I know), but it also means you can add 1.5 lb. of external battery/case to it and still be as light as a netbook, with far more run time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>5 .
Apple 's selling that slipcover thingy , I suspect they 'll have huge sellthrough on it .
I would n't be surprised if there was n't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.I would not be surprised in the slightest if hard cases with clamshell or reversible covers are n't available around release time .
Look at the huge array of cases available for the iPhones .
That 's part of the reason why Apple announced it early : so manufacturers could develop for it ( not just software ) without being under draconian Apple NDAs.One thing I have seen no mention of here is that the iPad weighs half as much as a typical netbook ( 1.5 lb .
vs. 3 lb. ) .
Not only does this mean it 's easier to carry around ( big deal , I know ) , but it also means you can add 1.5 lb .
of external battery/case to it and still be as light as a netbook , with far more run time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5.
Apple's selling that slipcover thingy, I suspect they'll have huge sellthrough on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.I would not be surprised in the slightest if hard cases with clamshell or reversible covers aren't available around release time.
Look at the huge array of cases available for the iPhones.
That's part of the reason why Apple announced it early: so manufacturers could develop for it (not just software) without being under draconian Apple NDAs.One thing I have seen no mention of here is that the iPad weighs half as much as a typical netbook (1.5 lb.
vs. 3 lb.).
Not only does this mean it's easier to carry around (big deal, I know), but it also means you can add 1.5 lb.
of external battery/case to it and still be as light as a netbook, with far more run time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273342</id>
	<title>Depends on their MDEF</title>
	<author>calibre-not-output</author>
	<datestamp>1267119660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Netbooks aren't very resistant to magic. If they party with a PC for tanking, then it'll be a different story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks are n't very resistant to magic .
If they party with a PC for tanking , then it 'll be a different story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks aren't very resistant to magic.
If they party with a PC for tanking, then it'll be a different story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273580</id>
	<title>Magic account can be overdrawn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267120560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much magic was in Apple III?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much magic was in Apple III ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much magic was in Apple III?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273972</id>
	<title>Magic = usability</title>
	<author>drumcat</author>
	<datestamp>1267121820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You guys bashing don't get it.  Your Netbooks will do more.  That's the point.  Apple is all about giving you the 50\% of functions you need, and polishing the hell out of it. <br>
<br>
My grandmother won't get a netbook.  She will get an iPad.  She's not encroaching on your geek demographic.<br>
<br>
For you logic types, iPad potential customer base &gt; Netbook targeted customer base.<br>
<br>
<b> <em>It will win because it does less.</em> </b> <br>
<br>
Until you understand that concept, stay in your sheltered Netbook world.  Oh, and update your virus definitions.  And defrag your disk.  Be sure to reboot today.  Oh, update those drivers, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys bashing do n't get it .
Your Netbooks will do more .
That 's the point .
Apple is all about giving you the 50 \ % of functions you need , and polishing the hell out of it .
My grandmother wo n't get a netbook .
She will get an iPad .
She 's not encroaching on your geek demographic .
For you logic types , iPad potential customer base &gt; Netbook targeted customer base .
It will win because it does less .
Until you understand that concept , stay in your sheltered Netbook world .
Oh , and update your virus definitions .
And defrag your disk .
Be sure to reboot today .
Oh , update those drivers , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys bashing don't get it.
Your Netbooks will do more.
That's the point.
Apple is all about giving you the 50\% of functions you need, and polishing the hell out of it.
My grandmother won't get a netbook.
She will get an iPad.
She's not encroaching on your geek demographic.
For you logic types, iPad potential customer base &gt; Netbook targeted customer base.
It will win because it does less.
Until you understand that concept, stay in your sheltered Netbook world.
Oh, and update your virus definitions.
And defrag your disk.
Be sure to reboot today.
Oh, update those drivers, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274742</id>
	<title>It really IS magic</title>
	<author>Cajun Hell</author>
	<datestamp>1267124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple has a lot of convincing-sounding rationalizations for why the iPad/iPod/iPhone should be appliance-like rather than computer-like.
</p><p>Some of them, maybe you even agree with.
</p><p>But go ahead and look at them, and ask, "Why shouldn't this rationalization just as easily apply to the Macintosh?"  Find one that doesn't apply.  You can't.
</p><p>The consequences to this line of thinking are obviously abhorrent.  You know it's wrong.  And yet, if you <em>don't</em> follow the logic all the way to desktop PCs, then it doesn't seem so bad, huh?  BUT IT'S THE SAME LOGIC.
</p><p>What makes it ok for a handheld?  Magic, that's what.  Nothing you can measure, talk about objectively, or get people to agree on.  It's pure religion in its ultimate dogmatic form: Steve said so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple has a lot of convincing-sounding rationalizations for why the iPad/iPod/iPhone should be appliance-like rather than computer-like .
Some of them , maybe you even agree with .
But go ahead and look at them , and ask , " Why should n't this rationalization just as easily apply to the Macintosh ?
" Find one that does n't apply .
You ca n't .
The consequences to this line of thinking are obviously abhorrent .
You know it 's wrong .
And yet , if you do n't follow the logic all the way to desktop PCs , then it does n't seem so bad , huh ?
BUT IT 'S THE SAME LOGIC .
What makes it ok for a handheld ?
Magic , that 's what .
Nothing you can measure , talk about objectively , or get people to agree on .
It 's pure religion in its ultimate dogmatic form : Steve said so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple has a lot of convincing-sounding rationalizations for why the iPad/iPod/iPhone should be appliance-like rather than computer-like.
Some of them, maybe you even agree with.
But go ahead and look at them, and ask, "Why shouldn't this rationalization just as easily apply to the Macintosh?
"  Find one that doesn't apply.
You can't.
The consequences to this line of thinking are obviously abhorrent.
You know it's wrong.
And yet, if you don't follow the logic all the way to desktop PCs, then it doesn't seem so bad, huh?
BUT IT'S THE SAME LOGIC.
What makes it ok for a handheld?
Magic, that's what.
Nothing you can measure, talk about objectively, or get people to agree on.
It's pure religion in its ultimate dogmatic form: Steve said so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273298</id>
	<title>Sales?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>""When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook.""</i> <br> <br>So your sales strategy involves a free trial for everyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" " When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it... I have a hard time believing they 're going to go for a netbook .
" " So your sales strategy involves a free trial for everyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>""When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook.
""  So your sales strategy involves a free trial for everyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275146</id>
	<title>Where do you keep it?</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1267125600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You call it a big iPod Touch. Fine, but have you considered that this device has the small screen for a reason? Because these type of devices have to fit in your pocket?
</p><p>This ain't rocket science. It is NOT just a big iPod touch, that would be like saying the portable LP player you once had was a walkman. No. A walkman fitted in your pocket, an LP player no matter how small does not for a very obvious reason.
</p><p>And so, the two devices, simply because of their size difference are completely different.
</p><p>It will be intresting to see what is going to happen to. A lot of people use their netbooks als portable media players to hook up to tv's for some reason. They might be well served by the iPad. But people who use a netbook as a small highly portable computer, will not.
</p><p>Make no mistake, those who complain about slow netbooks got the crappy models with HD's. Stick a proper SSD in one, get a dual core and it is a fairly powerfull machine easily capable of holding up to early dual cores in user experience. For me it is a PC without the size constraints, because frankly my real desktops are running at 1\% even when I am using. So what if my netbook then does 10\% (at half clock speed)... yeah it is slower, but who cares?
</p><p>You end up saying you snag out the iPod more often... exactly. But the iPad would be in the same place as your laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You call it a big iPod Touch .
Fine , but have you considered that this device has the small screen for a reason ?
Because these type of devices have to fit in your pocket ?
This ai n't rocket science .
It is NOT just a big iPod touch , that would be like saying the portable LP player you once had was a walkman .
No. A walkman fitted in your pocket , an LP player no matter how small does not for a very obvious reason .
And so , the two devices , simply because of their size difference are completely different .
It will be intresting to see what is going to happen to .
A lot of people use their netbooks als portable media players to hook up to tv 's for some reason .
They might be well served by the iPad .
But people who use a netbook as a small highly portable computer , will not .
Make no mistake , those who complain about slow netbooks got the crappy models with HD 's .
Stick a proper SSD in one , get a dual core and it is a fairly powerfull machine easily capable of holding up to early dual cores in user experience .
For me it is a PC without the size constraints , because frankly my real desktops are running at 1 \ % even when I am using .
So what if my netbook then does 10 \ % ( at half clock speed ) ... yeah it is slower , but who cares ?
You end up saying you snag out the iPod more often... exactly. But the iPad would be in the same place as your laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You call it a big iPod Touch.
Fine, but have you considered that this device has the small screen for a reason?
Because these type of devices have to fit in your pocket?
This ain't rocket science.
It is NOT just a big iPod touch, that would be like saying the portable LP player you once had was a walkman.
No. A walkman fitted in your pocket, an LP player no matter how small does not for a very obvious reason.
And so, the two devices, simply because of their size difference are completely different.
It will be intresting to see what is going to happen to.
A lot of people use their netbooks als portable media players to hook up to tv's for some reason.
They might be well served by the iPad.
But people who use a netbook as a small highly portable computer, will not.
Make no mistake, those who complain about slow netbooks got the crappy models with HD's.
Stick a proper SSD in one, get a dual core and it is a fairly powerfull machine easily capable of holding up to early dual cores in user experience.
For me it is a PC without the size constraints, because frankly my real desktops are running at 1\% even when I am using.
So what if my netbook then does 10\% (at half clock speed)... yeah it is slower, but who cares?
You end up saying you snag out the iPod more often... exactly. But the iPad would be in the same place as your laptop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277232</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267090560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ipad does not fit in your pocket, or on your hip (well maybe some of us could hip it lol), so its not really comparable. I like all of Apples handheld devices but this thing just looks ridiculous.  When i first saw the presentation picture of the guy holding up with 2 hands I thought it was something you would pick up at a novelty shop.</p><p>Would you carry around 10"x8" calculator that did the same thing as a handheld except it could remotely connect to your TI-8x for advanced calculations(VNC)?</p><p>Not to mention the competing open platform tablet-style netbooks that will be cheaper, more productive, and are just around the corner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ipad does not fit in your pocket , or on your hip ( well maybe some of us could hip it lol ) , so its not really comparable .
I like all of Apples handheld devices but this thing just looks ridiculous .
When i first saw the presentation picture of the guy holding up with 2 hands I thought it was something you would pick up at a novelty shop.Would you carry around 10 " x8 " calculator that did the same thing as a handheld except it could remotely connect to your TI-8x for advanced calculations ( VNC ) ? Not to mention the competing open platform tablet-style netbooks that will be cheaper , more productive , and are just around the corner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ipad does not fit in your pocket, or on your hip (well maybe some of us could hip it lol), so its not really comparable.
I like all of Apples handheld devices but this thing just looks ridiculous.
When i first saw the presentation picture of the guy holding up with 2 hands I thought it was something you would pick up at a novelty shop.Would you carry around 10"x8" calculator that did the same thing as a handheld except it could remotely connect to your TI-8x for advanced calculations(VNC)?Not to mention the competing open platform tablet-style netbooks that will be cheaper, more productive, and are just around the corner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31291596</id>
	<title>Apple fanboys</title>
	<author>betterpc</author>
	<datestamp>1267184160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Certain people will buy anything from Apple just because it has an Apple logo on it. <a href="http://www.creepygif.com/image.php?i=922" title="creepygif.com" rel="nofollow">GIF animation here</a> [creepygif.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Certain people will buy anything from Apple just because it has an Apple logo on it .
GIF animation here [ creepygif.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Certain people will buy anything from Apple just because it has an Apple logo on it.
GIF animation here [creepygif.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273284</id>
	<title>So I guess Steve's favorite new word in "Magic"</title>
	<author>Digital Pizza</author>
	<datestamp>1267119540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad Doug Henning isn't still around to promote it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad Doug Henning is n't still around to promote it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad Doug Henning isn't still around to promote it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276878</id>
	<title>Magic, eh?</title>
	<author>Cyberllama</author>
	<datestamp>1267089180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope he did  jazz hands when he said "magic".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope he did jazz hands when he said " magic " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope he did  jazz hands when he said "magic".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273890</id>
	<title>Re:It's more of a form factor thing</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1267121460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure that form factor is one thing, and the iPad could be interesting there. However netbooks have actually become a bit bigger over time - one of the drivers for that was a desire for a somewhat bigger keyboard. That suggests that a decent number of users want to use applications on their netbooks which require keyboards. The iPad is not going to be very interesting for them.
<p>
In my experience another major application for netbooks is skype - but for that you want video. I presume they'll add that soon to the iPad, but currently it's not available yet.</p><p>
I think the iPad might find a market, but it won't be the netbook market - simply because it's not able to do what a netbook does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that form factor is one thing , and the iPad could be interesting there .
However netbooks have actually become a bit bigger over time - one of the drivers for that was a desire for a somewhat bigger keyboard .
That suggests that a decent number of users want to use applications on their netbooks which require keyboards .
The iPad is not going to be very interesting for them .
In my experience another major application for netbooks is skype - but for that you want video .
I presume they 'll add that soon to the iPad , but currently it 's not available yet .
I think the iPad might find a market , but it wo n't be the netbook market - simply because it 's not able to do what a netbook does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that form factor is one thing, and the iPad could be interesting there.
However netbooks have actually become a bit bigger over time - one of the drivers for that was a desire for a somewhat bigger keyboard.
That suggests that a decent number of users want to use applications on their netbooks which require keyboards.
The iPad is not going to be very interesting for them.
In my experience another major application for netbooks is skype - but for that you want video.
I presume they'll add that soon to the iPad, but currently it's not available yet.
I think the iPad might find a market, but it won't be the netbook market - simply because it's not able to do what a netbook does.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273362</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31276692</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267131540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...the ipad is just a oversized iphone."</p><p>You're practically doing Apple's marketing for them. To a lot of people, that's like describing a car as "just a more spacious BMW".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...the ipad is just a oversized iphone .
" You 're practically doing Apple 's marketing for them .
To a lot of people , that 's like describing a car as " just a more spacious BMW " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...the ipad is just a oversized iphone.
"You're practically doing Apple's marketing for them.
To a lot of people, that's like describing a car as "just a more spacious BMW".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275996</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>sheddd</author>
	<datestamp>1267128780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree it'll make a good 'grandma pc'.  I haven't seen anything describing the ipad initial setup, or exactly how dependant on itunes the device is.</p><p>For a better 'grandma experience' they'll need to let you backup/update over the cloud IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree it 'll make a good 'grandma pc' .
I have n't seen anything describing the ipad initial setup , or exactly how dependant on itunes the device is.For a better 'grandma experience ' they 'll need to let you backup/update over the cloud IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree it'll make a good 'grandma pc'.
I haven't seen anything describing the ipad initial setup, or exactly how dependant on itunes the device is.For a better 'grandma experience' they'll need to let you backup/update over the cloud IMO.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273972</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273466</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1267120140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Magic" is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.</p></div><p>I just call it 'aesthetic'. *shrug*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Magic " is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.I just call it 'aesthetic' .
* shrug *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Magic" is really a good description for trying to create the maximum user experience.I just call it 'aesthetic'.
*shrug*
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273406</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277438</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1267091400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are more grandmothers than 12-24 year old students? I doubt this, sir.<br> <br>

Anyway, if your grandmother can't handle a computer, what use will she ever have with an iPad? She does not want one. The only reason she will have one and pretend to like it is because you bought it for her. She secretly just wanted to go out to dinner with the family on her birthday, you insensitive clod.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are more grandmothers than 12-24 year old students ?
I doubt this , sir .
Anyway , if your grandmother ca n't handle a computer , what use will she ever have with an iPad ?
She does not want one .
The only reason she will have one and pretend to like it is because you bought it for her .
She secretly just wanted to go out to dinner with the family on her birthday , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are more grandmothers than 12-24 year old students?
I doubt this, sir.
Anyway, if your grandmother can't handle a computer, what use will she ever have with an iPad?
She does not want one.
The only reason she will have one and pretend to like it is because you bought it for her.
She secretly just wanted to go out to dinner with the family on her birthday, you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273972</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273846</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>whisper\_jeff</author>
	<datestamp>1267121340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, look, someone who doesn't get it.<br> <br>
The iPad is not a computer. If you want a computer, buy a computer. You obviously want a computer, based on your list. Don't buy an iPad - it's not the product that's right for you. You'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it's not the product you want. The iPad is, however, the product that a lot of people will want - people who aren't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , look , someone who does n't get it .
The iPad is not a computer .
If you want a computer , buy a computer .
You obviously want a computer , based on your list .
Do n't buy an iPad - it 's not the product that 's right for you .
You 'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it 's not the product you want .
The iPad is , however , the product that a lot of people will want - people who are n't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, look, someone who doesn't get it.
The iPad is not a computer.
If you want a computer, buy a computer.
You obviously want a computer, based on your list.
Don't buy an iPad - it's not the product that's right for you.
You'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it's not the product you want.
The iPad is, however, the product that a lot of people will want - people who aren't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275936</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>rsborg</author>
	<datestamp>1267128540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>"Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?"</p></div></blockquote><p>

For close to a grand, yes it does need to be more.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Uh, how is $499 even close to "a grand"?<br>
The 32gb iPod Touch is $299, while the 32gb iPad (no 3G) is $599, double the price for about 3x the screen size, faster processor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch ?
" For close to a grand , yes it does need to be more .
Uh , how is $ 499 even close to " a grand " ?
The 32gb iPod Touch is $ 299 , while the 32gb iPad ( no 3G ) is $ 599 , double the price for about 3x the screen size , faster processor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?
"

For close to a grand, yes it does need to be more.
Uh, how is $499 even close to "a grand"?
The 32gb iPod Touch is $299, while the 32gb iPad (no 3G) is $599, double the price for about 3x the screen size, faster processor.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277480</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267091580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You missed the most important thing: a netbook will run any application I want it to run. I do not need someone's permission to run the programs I want to run. No app stores, no being denied software, no being treated like an imbecile.
--</p></div><p>Except the majority of smartphone users really, really like app stores. They like a limited, but organized selection of vetted applications. Geeks don't really care for it, but who thinks the iPad is targeted at geeks?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the most important thing : a netbook will run any application I want it to run .
I do not need someone 's permission to run the programs I want to run .
No app stores , no being denied software , no being treated like an imbecile .
--Except the majority of smartphone users really , really like app stores .
They like a limited , but organized selection of vetted applications .
Geeks do n't really care for it , but who thinks the iPad is targeted at geeks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the most important thing: a netbook will run any application I want it to run.
I do not need someone's permission to run the programs I want to run.
No app stores, no being denied software, no being treated like an imbecile.
--Except the majority of smartphone users really, really like app stores.
They like a limited, but organized selection of vetted applications.
Geeks don't really care for it, but who thinks the iPad is targeted at geeks?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273428</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274172</id>
	<title>No, no, NO!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267122420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no, NO! First level spells:</p><p>1) Sleep<br>2) Charm Person</p><p>End of Story.</p><p>Magic missile: one arrow. Buy a freaking bow!!!</p><p>Read Magic: pointless. Use it at home.</p><p>Hold Portal: WHY do you want to keep a door shut for a couple of turns?</p><p>Floating disk. GET A PONY.</p><p>Shield. If you need this, you're already fucked.</p><p>Read Languages: "Sign says: you've wasted a spell. Huhuhu"</p><p>Light: Wha? If you can't afford torches, you're in the wrong business.</p><p>At first level:</p><p>Sleep: you can "kill" 5-8 critters in a small room without your fighter dying, leaving him for the Big Bad</p><p>Charm Person: use it on the second in command and have him beat the c*ap out of everyone you need. Each hit is worth more than your magic missile.</p><p>Really, the first level spells are, apart from those two, POINTLESS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , NO !
First level spells : 1 ) Sleep2 ) Charm PersonEnd of Story.Magic missile : one arrow .
Buy a freaking bow ! !
! Read Magic : pointless .
Use it at home.Hold Portal : WHY do you want to keep a door shut for a couple of turns ? Floating disk .
GET A PONY.Shield .
If you need this , you 're already fucked.Read Languages : " Sign says : you 've wasted a spell .
Huhuhu " Light : Wha ?
If you ca n't afford torches , you 're in the wrong business.At first level : Sleep : you can " kill " 5-8 critters in a small room without your fighter dying , leaving him for the Big BadCharm Person : use it on the second in command and have him beat the c * ap out of everyone you need .
Each hit is worth more than your magic missile.Really , the first level spells are , apart from those two , POINTLESS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, NO!
First level spells:1) Sleep2) Charm PersonEnd of Story.Magic missile: one arrow.
Buy a freaking bow!!
!Read Magic: pointless.
Use it at home.Hold Portal: WHY do you want to keep a door shut for a couple of turns?Floating disk.
GET A PONY.Shield.
If you need this, you're already fucked.Read Languages: "Sign says: you've wasted a spell.
Huhuhu"Light: Wha?
If you can't afford torches, you're in the wrong business.At first level:Sleep: you can "kill" 5-8 critters in a small room without your fighter dying, leaving him for the Big BadCharm Person: use it on the second in command and have him beat the c*ap out of everyone you need.
Each hit is worth more than your magic missile.Really, the first level spells are, apart from those two, POINTLESS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280510</id>
	<title>supersized the ipod touch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267108560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But wouldn't Apple be pretty stupid for NOT super-sizing their french fries and marketing it as a whole new category? You people are so offended but this is a no-brainer for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But would n't Apple be pretty stupid for NOT super-sizing their french fries and marketing it as a whole new category ?
You people are so offended but this is a no-brainer for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But wouldn't Apple be pretty stupid for NOT super-sizing their french fries and marketing it as a whole new category?
You people are so offended but this is a no-brainer for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274454</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The average consumer doesn't give a rat's ass about Linux. The price and the lack of an office suite may be the only things they care about. Maybe the missing flash support, but there is a YouTube app so that will make a lot of them happy... until they try their favorite online games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The average consumer does n't give a rat 's ass about Linux .
The price and the lack of an office suite may be the only things they care about .
Maybe the missing flash support , but there is a YouTube app so that will make a lot of them happy... until they try their favorite online games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The average consumer doesn't give a rat's ass about Linux.
The price and the lack of an office suite may be the only things they care about.
Maybe the missing flash support, but there is a YouTube app so that will make a lot of them happy... until they try their favorite online games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274942</id>
	<title>Ipad = Original Dev Iphone</title>
	<author>zcold</author>
	<datestamp>1267124880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes I wonder if the Ipad was the original design for the Iphone....They were just like, we have to make this thing smaller... No one would want to carry this around... And now someone pulled it off the shelf and was like... HEY! Great idea! lets repackage this dev phone into some kind of tablet...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I wonder if the Ipad was the original design for the Iphone....They were just like , we have to make this thing smaller... No one would want to carry this around... And now someone pulled it off the shelf and was like... HEY ! Great idea !
lets repackage this dev phone into some kind of tablet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I wonder if the Ipad was the original design for the Iphone....They were just like, we have to make this thing smaller... No one would want to carry this around... And now someone pulled it off the shelf and was like... HEY! Great idea!
lets repackage this dev phone into some kind of tablet...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31281398</id>
	<title>No Keyboard</title>
	<author>ma foreclosures</author>
	<datestamp>1267117920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dont like how the Apple iPad or other products have no keyboard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont like how the Apple iPad or other products have no keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont like how the Apple iPad or other products have no keyboard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274478</id>
	<title>It's an output device, not a computer.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1267123500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Many of you don't get it.  Apple "iPad" isn't a general-purpose computer.  It's an entertainment device.
</p><p>
It doesn't need a camera, and it doesn't need a keyboard, because it's a mostly-output device.  It's an improved "e-reader", not a "netbook".  It's not a "convergence" device, it's a "divergence" device.
</p><p>
It's overpriced.  The price will drop, of course.  Look at the price history of Apple's music players. The entry level device there is now $125.
</p><p>
It will succeed or fail based on what content it can access.  If Apple and News Corp. work out a deal, and you can view all News Corp. content on the thing, it will be a big success.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of you do n't get it .
Apple " iPad " is n't a general-purpose computer .
It 's an entertainment device .
It does n't need a camera , and it does n't need a keyboard , because it 's a mostly-output device .
It 's an improved " e-reader " , not a " netbook " .
It 's not a " convergence " device , it 's a " divergence " device .
It 's overpriced .
The price will drop , of course .
Look at the price history of Apple 's music players .
The entry level device there is now $ 125 .
It will succeed or fail based on what content it can access .
If Apple and News Corp. work out a deal , and you can view all News Corp. content on the thing , it will be a big success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Many of you don't get it.
Apple "iPad" isn't a general-purpose computer.
It's an entertainment device.
It doesn't need a camera, and it doesn't need a keyboard, because it's a mostly-output device.
It's an improved "e-reader", not a "netbook".
It's not a "convergence" device, it's a "divergence" device.
It's overpriced.
The price will drop, of course.
Look at the price history of Apple's music players.
The entry level device there is now $125.
It will succeed or fail based on what content it can access.
If Apple and News Corp. work out a deal, and you can view all News Corp. content on the thing, it will be a big success.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280950</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267113180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's face is, the market for NetBooks has been primarily in buying them for kids and teens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's face is , the market for NetBooks has been primarily in buying them for kids and teens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's face is, the market for NetBooks has been primarily in buying them for kids and teens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31284268</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of typing</title>
	<author>bint</author>
	<datestamp>1267195680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I guess you should ask them again once they have used the ipad to type in twenty email messages or blog comments.</p></div><p>Have you heard about texting/SMS?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I guess you should ask them again once they have used the ipad to type in twenty email messages or blog comments.Have you heard about texting/SMS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you should ask them again once they have used the ipad to type in twenty email messages or blog comments.Have you heard about texting/SMS?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274736</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1267124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>1: netbook has actual keyboard</p></div></blockquote><p>For a device who's primary focus is clearly browsing the web and reading things, with some media playing on the side, a keyboard isn't really that important, more of a waste.</p><blockquote><div><p>2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linux</p></div></blockquote><p>No one cares.  Really, no one gives a shit what OS it runs as long as it works.  Okay, obviously people here on slashdot care, but you guys really need to understand that you are unlike the other 99.9999999\%</p><blockquote><div><p>3: netbook can multi task</p></div></blockquote><p>No one cares.  People are actually very shitty at multitasking, yes that includes you, even if you think it doesn't apply and you are special.  Human beings are horrible multitaskers and in almost EVERY instance the result is a dramatic loss of efficiency.</p><p>Multitasking is great on your PC that isn't running off a battery and can do useful things in the background like crunch SETI@Home for you, doing this on a low power energy conserving device is retarded.</p><p>It might be useful to have an instant messenger client running in the background, but really, is it that important?</p><blockquote><div><p>4: nebook can be had for as cheep as 200$</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, and a Toyota Camery only costs 10\% of the cost of a Porsche.  But people buying a ferrari are a different class than people buying a Camery, at least financially.  The Camery is cheaper and gets the job done, but go take a ride in a Porsche and tell me if you'd willing go back to the Camery afterwords.  You might, but you'd have a limited number of reasons for doing so, most of which would boil down to 'a Porsche is intended for a different class of the population than the Camery'.</p><blockquote><div><p>5: netbook can close to protect screen.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'd be willing to bet that the Sapphire used on the iPhone screen provides more protection completely exposed to impacts than the cheap thin plastic covering your netbook and its display will ever offer.</p><p>Camery &gt;  Porsche<br>1: Camery cheaper<br>2: Camery will run on more types of fuel than a Porsche<br>3: Camery has 4 doors so you can carry your kids<br>4: Camery can be had cheap as $200 (used)<br>5: Camery has crumple zones and can't do 140mph so its safer.</p><p>Now my list, must like yours, is retarded, mostly wrong and in the place its not flat out wrong, the statements are certainly misleading (intentionally, yours could just be ignorance).</p><blockquote><div><p>I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversized iphone.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, your netbook is a PC thats too small to be really useful and the iPad is too restricted to function as a full PC replacement.</p><p>Good job, you managed to show how a screw driver is a really shitty hammer.</p></div>
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<tokenext>1 : netbook has actual keyboardFor a device who 's primary focus is clearly browsing the web and reading things , with some media playing on the side , a keyboard is n't really that important , more of a waste.2 : netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linuxNo one cares .
Really , no one gives a shit what OS it runs as long as it works .
Okay , obviously people here on slashdot care , but you guys really need to understand that you are unlike the other 99.9999999 \ % 3 : netbook can multi taskNo one cares .
People are actually very shitty at multitasking , yes that includes you , even if you think it does n't apply and you are special .
Human beings are horrible multitaskers and in almost EVERY instance the result is a dramatic loss of efficiency.Multitasking is great on your PC that is n't running off a battery and can do useful things in the background like crunch SETI @ Home for you , doing this on a low power energy conserving device is retarded.It might be useful to have an instant messenger client running in the background , but really , is it that important ? 4 : nebook can be had for as cheep as 200 $ Yes , and a Toyota Camery only costs 10 \ % of the cost of a Porsche .
But people buying a ferrari are a different class than people buying a Camery , at least financially .
The Camery is cheaper and gets the job done , but go take a ride in a Porsche and tell me if you 'd willing go back to the Camery afterwords .
You might , but you 'd have a limited number of reasons for doing so , most of which would boil down to 'a Porsche is intended for a different class of the population than the Camery'.5 : netbook can close to protect screen.I 'd be willing to bet that the Sapphire used on the iPhone screen provides more protection completely exposed to impacts than the cheap thin plastic covering your netbook and its display will ever offer.Camery &gt; Porsche1 : Camery cheaper2 : Camery will run on more types of fuel than a Porsche3 : Camery has 4 doors so you can carry your kids4 : Camery can be had cheap as $ 200 ( used ) 5 : Camery has crumple zones and ca n't do 140mph so its safer.Now my list , must like yours , is retarded , mostly wrong and in the place its not flat out wrong , the statements are certainly misleading ( intentionally , yours could just be ignorance ) .I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system , the ipad is just a oversized iphone.Yes , your netbook is a PC thats too small to be really useful and the iPad is too restricted to function as a full PC replacement.Good job , you managed to show how a screw driver is a really shitty hammer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1: netbook has actual keyboardFor a device who's primary focus is clearly browsing the web and reading things, with some media playing on the side, a keyboard isn't really that important, more of a waste.2: netbook is a actual pc Ie it runs windows or linuxNo one cares.
Really, no one gives a shit what OS it runs as long as it works.
Okay, obviously people here on slashdot care, but you guys really need to understand that you are unlike the other 99.9999999\%3: netbook can multi taskNo one cares.
People are actually very shitty at multitasking, yes that includes you, even if you think it doesn't apply and you are special.
Human beings are horrible multitaskers and in almost EVERY instance the result is a dramatic loss of efficiency.Multitasking is great on your PC that isn't running off a battery and can do useful things in the background like crunch SETI@Home for you, doing this on a low power energy conserving device is retarded.It might be useful to have an instant messenger client running in the background, but really, is it that important?4: nebook can be had for as cheep as 200$Yes, and a Toyota Camery only costs 10\% of the cost of a Porsche.
But people buying a ferrari are a different class than people buying a Camery, at least financially.
The Camery is cheaper and gets the job done, but go take a ride in a Porsche and tell me if you'd willing go back to the Camery afterwords.
You might, but you'd have a limited number of reasons for doing so, most of which would boil down to 'a Porsche is intended for a different class of the population than the Camery'.5: netbook can close to protect screen.I'd be willing to bet that the Sapphire used on the iPhone screen provides more protection completely exposed to impacts than the cheap thin plastic covering your netbook and its display will ever offer.Camery &gt;  Porsche1: Camery cheaper2: Camery will run on more types of fuel than a Porsche3: Camery has 4 doors so you can carry your kids4: Camery can be had cheap as $200 (used)5: Camery has crumple zones and can't do 140mph so its safer.Now my list, must like yours, is retarded, mostly wrong and in the place its not flat out wrong, the statements are certainly misleading (intentionally, yours could just be ignorance).I can keep going but sorry netbook is a real system, the ipad is just a oversized iphone.Yes, your netbook is a PC thats too small to be really useful and the iPad is too restricted to function as a full PC replacement.Good job, you managed to show how a screw driver is a really shitty hammer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275594</id>
	<title>"I don't care about freedom."</title>
	<author>Hero Zzyzzx</author>
	<datestamp>1267127400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was talking with a non-technical apple fangirl right after the iPad announcement. She was curious as to my opinion about it, given my geek status.</p><p>I told her I wasn't that interested, mainly because I'm not that interested in apple products. I'm more concerned about controlling my means of production (I build stuff on free software) and in protecting/fostering software freedom. I went into a short diatribe about how more and more our lives are dependent on software, and if that software isn't open you're beholden to the interest that created it, etc.  Apple is no friend of software freedom in my opinion.</p><p>Her response was "I don't care about freedom, I just like how the pretty my iPhone is. What do you say to someone like me?" She didn't say it confrontationally, it was a sincere response. </p><p>My response was "I'm really the wrong guy to talk with you about this."  She's totally bought into the "magic", and all reason is out the window. I happen to think there are better devices on better networks, but suggesting that to her would be tantamount to blasphemy.</p><p>You can't reason with this kind of emotion. Apple's good at engendering it. In the face of fanboy fanaticism, I find myself just giving up and saying "I don't really care what YOU use as long as you don't force it on me."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was talking with a non-technical apple fangirl right after the iPad announcement .
She was curious as to my opinion about it , given my geek status.I told her I was n't that interested , mainly because I 'm not that interested in apple products .
I 'm more concerned about controlling my means of production ( I build stuff on free software ) and in protecting/fostering software freedom .
I went into a short diatribe about how more and more our lives are dependent on software , and if that software is n't open you 're beholden to the interest that created it , etc .
Apple is no friend of software freedom in my opinion.Her response was " I do n't care about freedom , I just like how the pretty my iPhone is .
What do you say to someone like me ?
" She did n't say it confrontationally , it was a sincere response .
My response was " I 'm really the wrong guy to talk with you about this .
" She 's totally bought into the " magic " , and all reason is out the window .
I happen to think there are better devices on better networks , but suggesting that to her would be tantamount to blasphemy.You ca n't reason with this kind of emotion .
Apple 's good at engendering it .
In the face of fanboy fanaticism , I find myself just giving up and saying " I do n't really care what YOU use as long as you do n't force it on me .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was talking with a non-technical apple fangirl right after the iPad announcement.
She was curious as to my opinion about it, given my geek status.I told her I wasn't that interested, mainly because I'm not that interested in apple products.
I'm more concerned about controlling my means of production (I build stuff on free software) and in protecting/fostering software freedom.
I went into a short diatribe about how more and more our lives are dependent on software, and if that software isn't open you're beholden to the interest that created it, etc.
Apple is no friend of software freedom in my opinion.Her response was "I don't care about freedom, I just like how the pretty my iPhone is.
What do you say to someone like me?
" She didn't say it confrontationally, it was a sincere response.
My response was "I'm really the wrong guy to talk with you about this.
"  She's totally bought into the "magic", and all reason is out the window.
I happen to think there are better devices on better networks, but suggesting that to her would be tantamount to blasphemy.You can't reason with this kind of emotion.
Apple's good at engendering it.
In the face of fanboy fanaticism, I find myself just giving up and saying "I don't really care what YOU use as long as you don't force it on me.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273940</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267121760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...the ipad is just a oversized <b>iPod Touch</b></p> </div><p>
fixed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the ipad is just a oversized iPod Touch fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...the ipad is just a oversized iPod Touch 
fixed.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275020</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1267125180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The iPad is not a computer.</p></div><p>No, the iPad is a computer - the iPad <i>software</i> prevents you from using it as anything other than a media consumption device.  There's a big difference.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPad is not a computer.No , the iPad is a computer - the iPad software prevents you from using it as anything other than a media consumption device .
There 's a big difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPad is not a computer.No, the iPad is a computer - the iPad software prevents you from using it as anything other than a media consumption device.
There's a big difference.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274814</id>
	<title>The Counterspell</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1267124400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I think I know what the counterspell is: most workplaces (those that are non-Mac shops) have an aura of Dispel Magic upon them.  That turns the iPad's magic on itself so that it can't connect to Exchange or store MS Office documents on the device.<br> <br>Wizards must know not only their own spells, but the spells other wizards will cast against them.<br> <br>Unfortunately for Apple, this counterspell is an older, deeper magic than that which is in their device.  The'll sell a bunch of these to the media user and fanboy markets, but I don't think it will have staying power (without significant changes).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I think I know what the counterspell is : most workplaces ( those that are non-Mac shops ) have an aura of Dispel Magic upon them .
That turns the iPad 's magic on itself so that it ca n't connect to Exchange or store MS Office documents on the device .
Wizards must know not only their own spells , but the spells other wizards will cast against them .
Unfortunately for Apple , this counterspell is an older , deeper magic than that which is in their device .
The 'll sell a bunch of these to the media user and fanboy markets , but I do n't think it will have staying power ( without significant changes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I think I know what the counterspell is: most workplaces (those that are non-Mac shops) have an aura of Dispel Magic upon them.
That turns the iPad's magic on itself so that it can't connect to Exchange or store MS Office documents on the device.
Wizards must know not only their own spells, but the spells other wizards will cast against them.
Unfortunately for Apple, this counterspell is an older, deeper magic than that which is in their device.
The'll sell a bunch of these to the media user and fanboy markets, but I don't think it will have staying power (without significant changes).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273426</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Duradin</author>
	<datestamp>1267119960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Less space than a nomad too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Less space than a nomad too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Less space than a nomad too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31283872</id>
	<title>lets talk and talk and talk about Apple some more</title>
	<author>dfaber</author>
	<datestamp>1267193040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that racks up about 1,000 comments in this thread. They sure know how to generate buzz. iPad is not a netbook, not a floor wax, and not a dessert topping, OK?! Let's discuss what iPad IS. I think iPad is my Sunday NY Times, my Wired Magazine (Have you seen the demo...?), my John Stewart show, my iTunes remote control, my ESPN, and my photo viewer, among many other things, which no netbook or cheapie laptop can hope to do nearly as well. It is not a netbook, it is a coffee table book, and the irrelevant fraction of the market which is slashdot is scared to death of it and morbidly discussing it to death. I wonder why? Launch a discussion about your favorite netbook and see how many comments you garner here.<br>signed,<br>someone who remembers when slashdot was a cool site....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that racks up about 1,000 comments in this thread .
They sure know how to generate buzz .
iPad is not a netbook , not a floor wax , and not a dessert topping , OK ? !
Let 's discuss what iPad IS .
I think iPad is my Sunday NY Times , my Wired Magazine ( Have you seen the demo... ?
) , my John Stewart show , my iTunes remote control , my ESPN , and my photo viewer , among many other things , which no netbook or cheapie laptop can hope to do nearly as well .
It is not a netbook , it is a coffee table book , and the irrelevant fraction of the market which is slashdot is scared to death of it and morbidly discussing it to death .
I wonder why ?
Launch a discussion about your favorite netbook and see how many comments you garner here.signed,someone who remembers when slashdot was a cool site... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that racks up about 1,000 comments in this thread.
They sure know how to generate buzz.
iPad is not a netbook, not a floor wax, and not a dessert topping, OK?!
Let's discuss what iPad IS.
I think iPad is my Sunday NY Times, my Wired Magazine (Have you seen the demo...?
), my John Stewart show, my iTunes remote control, my ESPN, and my photo viewer, among many other things, which no netbook or cheapie laptop can hope to do nearly as well.
It is not a netbook, it is a coffee table book, and the irrelevant fraction of the market which is slashdot is scared to death of it and morbidly discussing it to death.
I wonder why?
Launch a discussion about your favorite netbook and see how many comments you garner here.signed,someone who remembers when slashdot was a cool site....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277284</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>Mashdar</author>
	<datestamp>1267090740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. False. Anyone who types with more than two fingers (one on either hand) or who does not stare directly at the keyboard will have trouble with this. It only works on the phone because you can only type with two fingers... Just about the only person I can think of who doesn't use more than two fingers and stares at the keys is my girlfriend's father. And he's not going to buy any electronics any time soon (unless their home computer, which is a mac, breaks).
2. True enough.
3. My non-techie girlfriend has an iPhone and runs into the multi-tasking problem with shocking frequency. While it might not influence initial sales, it will definitely influence user satisfaction. The extents of this problem are not clear until you've used the device for a while.
4. Or you have the choice of a well constructed netbook for $400. You get what you buy, as always, except with the mac product, where you get what you buy *<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.666. Let's call it Jobs' Number. Want a $1000 laptop? On sale at $1500!
5. Based on the price of the iPhone equivalent cover, I expect this to cost another $50-$100.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
False. Anyone who types with more than two fingers ( one on either hand ) or who does not stare directly at the keyboard will have trouble with this .
It only works on the phone because you can only type with two fingers... Just about the only person I can think of who does n't use more than two fingers and stares at the keys is my girlfriend 's father .
And he 's not going to buy any electronics any time soon ( unless their home computer , which is a mac , breaks ) .
2. True enough .
3. My non-techie girlfriend has an iPhone and runs into the multi-tasking problem with shocking frequency .
While it might not influence initial sales , it will definitely influence user satisfaction .
The extents of this problem are not clear until you 've used the device for a while .
4. Or you have the choice of a well constructed netbook for $ 400 .
You get what you buy , as always , except with the mac product , where you get what you buy * .666 .
Let 's call it Jobs ' Number .
Want a $ 1000 laptop ?
On sale at $ 1500 !
5. Based on the price of the iPhone equivalent cover , I expect this to cost another $ 50- $ 100 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
False. Anyone who types with more than two fingers (one on either hand) or who does not stare directly at the keyboard will have trouble with this.
It only works on the phone because you can only type with two fingers... Just about the only person I can think of who doesn't use more than two fingers and stares at the keys is my girlfriend's father.
And he's not going to buy any electronics any time soon (unless their home computer, which is a mac, breaks).
2. True enough.
3. My non-techie girlfriend has an iPhone and runs into the multi-tasking problem with shocking frequency.
While it might not influence initial sales, it will definitely influence user satisfaction.
The extents of this problem are not clear until you've used the device for a while.
4. Or you have the choice of a well constructed netbook for $400.
You get what you buy, as always, except with the mac product, where you get what you buy * .666.
Let's call it Jobs' Number.
Want a $1000 laptop?
On sale at $1500!
5. Based on the price of the iPhone equivalent cover, I expect this to cost another $50-$100.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31282894</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267180080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Apple Newton called, it wants its gimmick back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apple Newton called , it wants its gimmick back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apple Newton called, it wants its gimmick back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278946</id>
	<title>Courier, a much better name</title>
	<author>wrencherd</author>
	<datestamp>1267097640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>M$'s Courier has a better name and some impressive features (if the youtube video can be believed).</p><p>Both iPad and Courier need to be good "hybrids" though--i.e. book reader, notepad, wifi browser platform--to beat out the 13 in. laptops, like MacBook Pro which seems more like the gadget they're trying to replace.</p><p>I'm surprised that anyone (even Steve Jobs) thinks netbooks are the target; seems like apples and non-apples.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>M $ 's Courier has a better name and some impressive features ( if the youtube video can be believed ) .Both iPad and Courier need to be good " hybrids " though--i.e .
book reader , notepad , wifi browser platform--to beat out the 13 in .
laptops , like MacBook Pro which seems more like the gadget they 're trying to replace.I 'm surprised that anyone ( even Steve Jobs ) thinks netbooks are the target ; seems like apples and non-apples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>M$'s Courier has a better name and some impressive features (if the youtube video can be believed).Both iPad and Courier need to be good "hybrids" though--i.e.
book reader, notepad, wifi browser platform--to beat out the 13 in.
laptops, like MacBook Pro which seems more like the gadget they're trying to replace.I'm surprised that anyone (even Steve Jobs) thinks netbooks are the target; seems like apples and non-apples.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31274838</id>
	<title>Re:The magic of a black box</title>
	<author>Bauguss</author>
	<datestamp>1267124460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this type of comment comes up every single article on slashdot.  Enough already.</p><p>I just read 2 books recently on my ipod touch.  Its an experience I will repeat.  I have absolutely no problems with lcd screens.  I read them all damn day as I code.  I get absolutely no eye strain whatsoever.  I can lie in bed comfortably with the lights off and have a nicely lit book that isn't too bright to read from.</p><p>This comes down to vision I think.  Some people will get eye strain from LCD, others will be fine.  Just because you can't tolerate looking at an LCD for too long, doesn't mean its a bad device.</p><p>So it IS an eReader and a damn fine one.  For some people.   You go buy your kindle, I'll go buy my iPad.  To each his own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this type of comment comes up every single article on slashdot .
Enough already.I just read 2 books recently on my ipod touch .
Its an experience I will repeat .
I have absolutely no problems with lcd screens .
I read them all damn day as I code .
I get absolutely no eye strain whatsoever .
I can lie in bed comfortably with the lights off and have a nicely lit book that is n't too bright to read from.This comes down to vision I think .
Some people will get eye strain from LCD , others will be fine .
Just because you ca n't tolerate looking at an LCD for too long , does n't mean its a bad device.So it IS an eReader and a damn fine one .
For some people .
You go buy your kindle , I 'll go buy my iPad .
To each his own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this type of comment comes up every single article on slashdot.
Enough already.I just read 2 books recently on my ipod touch.
Its an experience I will repeat.
I have absolutely no problems with lcd screens.
I read them all damn day as I code.
I get absolutely no eye strain whatsoever.
I can lie in bed comfortably with the lights off and have a nicely lit book that isn't too bright to read from.This comes down to vision I think.
Some people will get eye strain from LCD, others will be fine.
Just because you can't tolerate looking at an LCD for too long, doesn't mean its a bad device.So it IS an eReader and a damn fine one.
For some people.
You go buy your kindle, I'll go buy my iPad.
To each his own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280980</id>
	<title>Re:Magic = usability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267113480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you have GOT to be kidding.  no your grandmother wont get an iPad.  she wont know what the hell it is.  The internet will be scary to her and she'll have no need for something like this.</p><p>get a grip. It sells because Apple has pulled the wool over people's eyes, and their marketing department is extremely good at what they do.</p><p>Before you say everyone wants one of these devices, ask yourself how many people REALLY need one?  If we're buying things we dont need, then thats purely marketing genius on the part of the company.  Sure we may find it useful later...but the reason it sells in the first place, is marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you have GOT to be kidding .
no your grandmother wont get an iPad .
she wont know what the hell it is .
The internet will be scary to her and she 'll have no need for something like this.get a grip .
It sells because Apple has pulled the wool over people 's eyes , and their marketing department is extremely good at what they do.Before you say everyone wants one of these devices , ask yourself how many people REALLY need one ?
If we 're buying things we dont need , then thats purely marketing genius on the part of the company .
Sure we may find it useful later...but the reason it sells in the first place , is marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you have GOT to be kidding.
no your grandmother wont get an iPad.
she wont know what the hell it is.
The internet will be scary to her and she'll have no need for something like this.get a grip.
It sells because Apple has pulled the wool over people's eyes, and their marketing department is extremely good at what they do.Before you say everyone wants one of these devices, ask yourself how many people REALLY need one?
If we're buying things we dont need, then thats purely marketing genius on the part of the company.
Sure we may find it useful later...but the reason it sells in the first place, is marketing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273802</id>
	<title>This reminds me of a carton I once saw</title>
	<author>C\_Kode</author>
	<datestamp>1267121280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of a carton I once saw.</p><p>Basically, it was a picture of a guy drawing a flowchart on how to resolve an IT problem.  It had all kinds of things happening, then right at the end there was cloud there that said "(((Something magic happens)))" in the middle of it, and then everything was fixed!</p><p>Cook doesn't invoke confidence with such an ambiguous statement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of a carton I once saw.Basically , it was a picture of a guy drawing a flowchart on how to resolve an IT problem .
It had all kinds of things happening , then right at the end there was cloud there that said " ( ( ( Something magic happens ) ) ) " in the middle of it , and then everything was fixed ! Cook does n't invoke confidence with such an ambiguous statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of a carton I once saw.Basically, it was a picture of a guy drawing a flowchart on how to resolve an IT problem.
It had all kinds of things happening, then right at the end there was cloud there that said "(((Something magic happens)))" in the middle of it, and then everything was fixed!Cook doesn't invoke confidence with such an ambiguous statement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31278798</id>
	<title>I like Magic too</title>
	<author>wrencherd</author>
	<datestamp>1267096920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If only he hadn't tested positive for HIV, I think he would have won as many rings as Jordan (which was really only half as many as Bill Russell after all).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If only he had n't tested positive for HIV , I think he would have won as many rings as Jordan ( which was really only half as many as Bill Russell after all ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only he hadn't tested positive for HIV, I think he would have won as many rings as Jordan (which was really only half as many as Bill Russell after all).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31280434</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry Netbook wins still</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1267107900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh look, someone who is naive and doesn't get it.<blockquote><div><p>The iPad is not a computer.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Strange, Apple seem to be marketing it as a computer, hence the comparison (by Apple) to netbooks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh look , someone who is naive and does n't get it.The iPad is not a computer .
Strange , Apple seem to be marketing it as a computer , hence the comparison ( by Apple ) to netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh look, someone who is naive and doesn't get it.The iPad is not a computer.
Strange, Apple seem to be marketing it as a computer, hence the comparison (by Apple) to netbooks.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31277326</id>
	<title>No Camera</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1267090980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a completely obvious and  very annoying fail. Sorry but I'm beginning to suspect a conspiracy here due the the iPod Touch also lacking this obvious important (potentially killer) feature. My eee pc has one (Asus doesn't sleep with AT&amp;T) and I can take skype with me anywhere like Dick Tracey. I also think due to the cameras uncapped usability to linux that my netbook will not become obsolete in 2 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a completely obvious and very annoying fail .
Sorry but I 'm beginning to suspect a conspiracy here due the the iPod Touch also lacking this obvious important ( potentially killer ) feature .
My eee pc has one ( Asus does n't sleep with AT&amp;T ) and I can take skype with me anywhere like Dick Tracey .
I also think due to the cameras uncapped usability to linux that my netbook will not become obsolete in 2 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a completely obvious and  very annoying fail.
Sorry but I'm beginning to suspect a conspiracy here due the the iPod Touch also lacking this obvious important (potentially killer) feature.
My eee pc has one (Asus doesn't sleep with AT&amp;T) and I can take skype with me anywhere like Dick Tracey.
I also think due to the cameras uncapped usability to linux that my netbook will not become obsolete in 2 years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273510</id>
	<title>Re:"Magic" is a good term for great UI...</title>
	<author>Xanator</author>
	<datestamp>1267120260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah sure, like apple would allow you to use their magical iPad with magical OS with magical Apps to use it as a real computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah sure , like apple would allow you to use their magical iPad with magical OS with magical Apps to use it as a real computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah sure, like apple would allow you to use their magical iPad with magical OS with magical Apps to use it as a real computer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31273288</id>
	<title>A rose by any other name...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267119540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even when shit is called magical, doesn't make it anything other than shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even when shit is called magical , does n't make it anything other than shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even when shit is called magical, doesn't make it anything other than shit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31288404</id>
	<title>That is very curious.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267212360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When people here an elsewhere claim that Linux does 90\% of what most people need, then some others (most likely souls in your image) retort that the 10\% it does not do is the one that is most needed by every person.</p><p>But now we have you claiming that doing less is better, and the geniuses at Apple can second guess everybody.</p><p>Freedom is slavery!</p><p>The ugly truth has to do something with the above: the charisma of Steve Jobs, a relentless marketing, and the pursuit of the control of everyithing you do.</p><p>If that is the world you want, all the power to you. In the meantime my elderly mother is happily using Ubuntu and asks me what the fuss is all about the iPad, which she has declared "looks pretty useless" (so it does not have a card reader? How would I send you piccies? And no webcam? How are we going to chat!).</p><p>I think the Apple jugernaut may be hitting a stop here....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When people here an elsewhere claim that Linux does 90 \ % of what most people need , then some others ( most likely souls in your image ) retort that the 10 \ % it does not do is the one that is most needed by every person.But now we have you claiming that doing less is better , and the geniuses at Apple can second guess everybody.Freedom is slavery ! The ugly truth has to do something with the above : the charisma of Steve Jobs , a relentless marketing , and the pursuit of the control of everyithing you do.If that is the world you want , all the power to you .
In the meantime my elderly mother is happily using Ubuntu and asks me what the fuss is all about the iPad , which she has declared " looks pretty useless " ( so it does not have a card reader ?
How would I send you piccies ?
And no webcam ?
How are we going to chat !
) .I think the Apple jugernaut may be hitting a stop here... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When people here an elsewhere claim that Linux does 90\% of what most people need, then some others (most likely souls in your image) retort that the 10\% it does not do is the one that is most needed by every person.But now we have you claiming that doing less is better, and the geniuses at Apple can second guess everybody.Freedom is slavery!The ugly truth has to do something with the above: the charisma of Steve Jobs, a relentless marketing, and the pursuit of the control of everyithing you do.If that is the world you want, all the power to you.
In the meantime my elderly mother is happily using Ubuntu and asks me what the fuss is all about the iPad, which she has declared "looks pretty useless" (so it does not have a card reader?
How would I send you piccies?
And no webcam?
How are we going to chat!
).I think the Apple jugernaut may be hitting a stop here....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_25_1558207.31275900</id>
	<title>Re:Err...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267128360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe the first time around but it sounds like most netbook owners are pretty dissatisfied once they actually start to use them. You can only be fooled into buying a lemon once (okay, maybe twice if you're a complete egg).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe the first time around but it sounds like most netbook owners are pretty dissatisfied once they actually start to use them .
You can only be fooled into buying a lemon once ( okay , maybe twice if you 're a complete egg ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe the first time around but it sounds like most netbook owners are pretty dissatisfied once they actually start to use them.
You can only be fooled into buying a lemon once (okay, maybe twice if you're a complete egg).</sentencetext>
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