<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_24_1812244</id>
	<title>Use Open Source? Then You're a Pirate!</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1267001940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>superapecommando writes <i>"There's a fantastic little story in the Guardian today that says a US lobby group is trying to get the US government to consider <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property">open source as the equivalent to piracy</a>.  The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), an umbrella group for American publishing, software, film, television and music associations, has asked the US Trade Representative (USTR) to consider countries like Indonesia, Brazil, and India for its 'Special 301 watchlist' because they encourage the use of open source software.  A Special 301, according to Guardian's Bobbie Johnson is: 'a report that examines the "adequacy and effectiveness of intellectual property rights" around the planet &mdash; effectively the list of countries that the US government considers enemies of capitalism. It often gets wheeled out as a form of trading pressure &mdash; often around pharmaceuticals and counterfeited goods &mdash; to try and force governments to change their behaviors.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>superapecommando writes " There 's a fantastic little story in the Guardian today that says a US lobby group is trying to get the US government to consider open source as the equivalent to piracy .
The International Intellectual Property Alliance ( IIPA ) , an umbrella group for American publishing , software , film , television and music associations , has asked the US Trade Representative ( USTR ) to consider countries like Indonesia , Brazil , and India for its 'Special 301 watchlist ' because they encourage the use of open source software .
A Special 301 , according to Guardian 's Bobbie Johnson is : 'a report that examines the " adequacy and effectiveness of intellectual property rights " around the planet    effectively the list of countries that the US government considers enemies of capitalism .
It often gets wheeled out as a form of trading pressure    often around pharmaceuticals and counterfeited goods    to try and force governments to change their behaviors .
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<sentencetext>superapecommando writes "There's a fantastic little story in the Guardian today that says a US lobby group is trying to get the US government to consider open source as the equivalent to piracy.
The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), an umbrella group for American publishing, software, film, television and music associations, has asked the US Trade Representative (USTR) to consider countries like Indonesia, Brazil, and India for its 'Special 301 watchlist' because they encourage the use of open source software.
A Special 301, according to Guardian's Bobbie Johnson is: 'a report that examines the "adequacy and effectiveness of intellectual property rights" around the planet — effectively the list of countries that the US government considers enemies of capitalism.
It often gets wheeled out as a form of trading pressure — often around pharmaceuticals and counterfeited goods — to try and force governments to change their behaviors.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270378</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267099140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rum!  Pirates drink rum!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rum !
Pirates drink rum !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rum!
Pirates drink rum!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266232</id>
	<title>Hey IIPA...</title>
	<author>GeekLove</author>
	<datestamp>1265112600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...go fark yourself. ARRRR</htmltext>
<tokenext>...go fark yourself .
ARRRR</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...go fark yourself.
ARRRR</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31276558</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267131000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes, well who watches the watchers?  the government is corrupt too. at this point, there's a lot of common ground between it and many corporations.  it's not just the free market that's being strangled.  freeDOM is being strangled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , well who watches the watchers ?
the government is corrupt too .
at this point , there 's a lot of common ground between it and many corporations .
it 's not just the free market that 's being strangled .
freeDOM is being strangled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, well who watches the watchers?
the government is corrupt too.
at this point, there's a lot of common ground between it and many corporations.
it's not just the free market that's being strangled.
freeDOM is being strangled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264598</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>H0p313ss</author>
	<datestamp>1265105400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>what happens if you write/contribute to open source?</p></div><p>As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist. </p><p>Having said that, I would love to see a world where all the OSS contributors gets added to the "watchlists" of the world and all hell break lose every time there's a geeky conference in California or Florida. A "geeks of the world" vs. homeland security grudge match would be a thing of beauty.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what happens if you write/contribute to open source ? As everyone else is pointing out , that makes you a Communist .
Having said that , I would love to see a world where all the OSS contributors gets added to the " watchlists " of the world and all hell break lose every time there 's a geeky conference in California or Florida .
A " geeks of the world " vs. homeland security grudge match would be a thing of beauty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what happens if you write/contribute to open source?As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist.
Having said that, I would love to see a world where all the OSS contributors gets added to the "watchlists" of the world and all hell break lose every time there's a geeky conference in California or Florida.
A "geeks of the world" vs. homeland security grudge match would be a thing of beauty.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31298682</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1267301280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage.</p></div><p>Well, if you had to transport yourself to my neighborhood to collect the beer, you might prefer the bug report.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage.Well , if you had to transport yourself to my neighborhood to collect the beer , you might prefer the bug report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage.Well, if you had to transport yourself to my neighborhood to collect the beer, you might prefer the bug report.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270360</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267098900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.</p></div><p>If they don't deserve to live, why do they live? Shouldn't somebody take care of them?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who do n't deserve to live.If they do n't deserve to live , why do they live ?
Should n't somebody take care of them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.If they don't deserve to live, why do they live?
Shouldn't somebody take care of them?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265372</id>
	<title>So am I or not?</title>
	<author>tombeard</author>
	<datestamp>1265108640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back when I was pirating Windows, I wasn't a pirate, but now that I don't I am. That makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when I was pirating Windows , I was n't a pirate , but now that I do n't I am .
That makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when I was pirating Windows, I wasn't a pirate, but now that I don't I am.
That makes sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265860</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265110560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not giving a shit. If they by some kind of twisted way they manage to do what they want, then most will just pirate more since opensource alternatives are gone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Anyway, what do they think their servers run? Windows? The internet exists only because linux made it cheap. Idiots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not giving a shit .
If they by some kind of twisted way they manage to do what they want , then most will just pirate more since opensource alternatives are gone ... Anyway , what do they think their servers run ?
Windows ? The internet exists only because linux made it cheap .
Idiots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not giving a shit.
If they by some kind of twisted way they manage to do what they want, then most will just pirate more since opensource alternatives are gone ... Anyway, what do they think their servers run?
Windows? The internet exists only because linux made it cheap.
Idiots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264512</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Rysc</author>
	<datestamp>1265105100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270148</id>
	<title>Re:As usual, the headline is flawed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267096140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Secondly, one the real reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report. They are reported as ranking in the world's top 12 countries for business software piracy.</p></div></blockquote><p>It is time that the Indonesian government clamped down on this and encouraged the use of business software <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;layout=1&amp;eotf=1&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.igos.web.id\%2Findex.php\%2Fcerita-sukses\%2F359-openoffice-kian-tangguh&amp;sl=id&amp;tl=en" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">that is not pirated</a> [google.com]. Sounds like that would be good for the software industry. The Indonesian software industry, of course...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Secondly , one the real reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report .
They are reported as ranking in the world 's top 12 countries for business software piracy.It is time that the Indonesian government clamped down on this and encouraged the use of business software that is not pirated [ google.com ] .
Sounds like that would be good for the software industry .
The Indonesian software industry , of course.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Secondly, one the real reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report.
They are reported as ranking in the world's top 12 countries for business software piracy.It is time that the Indonesian government clamped down on this and encouraged the use of business software that is not pirated [google.com].
Sounds like that would be good for the software industry.
The Indonesian software industry, of course...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270616</id>
	<title>Re:Corporations are Inherently Amoral</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267102620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think upper management is responsable, if they have been told explicitly. The one who takes the decision should be held responsable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think upper management is responsable , if they have been told explicitly .
The one who takes the decision should be held responsable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think upper management is responsable, if they have been told explicitly.
The one who takes the decision should be held responsable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265142</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>jpmorgan</author>
	<datestamp>1265107740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is, there aren't many free marketers.</p><p>On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists. And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives.' Neither side of the political debate want a free market. Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests. The only difference is which. And so the free market is strangled to death. Crushed under the weight of regulations, subsidies, fat government contracts and handouts.</p><p>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , there are n't many free marketers.On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists .
And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives .
' Neither side of the political debate want a free market .
Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests .
The only difference is which .
And so the free market is strangled to death .
Crushed under the weight of regulations , subsidies , fat government contracts and handouts.The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces , for a short time , the long arm of political meddling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, there aren't many free marketers.On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists.
And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives.
' Neither side of the political debate want a free market.
Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests.
The only difference is which.
And so the free market is strangled to death.
Crushed under the weight of regulations, subsidies, fat government contracts and handouts.The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265076</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1265107500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In particular since the governments in question are actually taking steps to show MORE respect for intellectual property by going with a license they can live up to rather than just pirating something else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In particular since the governments in question are actually taking steps to show MORE respect for intellectual property by going with a license they can live up to rather than just pirating something else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In particular since the governments in question are actually taking steps to show MORE respect for intellectual property by going with a license they can live up to rather than just pirating something else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265870</id>
	<title>Re:After Reading The IIPA Documents</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1265110620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</i></p><p>Governments, like any other organization running an IT operation, get to make their own policies on what qualifications they require of their external vendors.  (Moreso than most:  If their laws interfere with their policy choices they're in a position to change the laws.  B-)  )</p><p>Mandating open source software for their own internal operations doesn't block commercial competitors from selling to the governments in question.  It only blocks them from selling CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE.  They're welcome to sell as much open source software and associated service and customization contracts as they can win the bids on.  B-)</p><p>Meanwhile there are issues other than cost involved with software applications used by governments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access ...Governments , like any other organization running an IT operation , get to make their own policies on what qualifications they require of their external vendors .
( Moreso than most : If their laws interfere with their policy choices they 're in a position to change the laws .
B- ) ) Mandating open source software for their own internal operations does n't block commercial competitors from selling to the governments in question .
It only blocks them from selling CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE .
They 're welcome to sell as much open source software and associated service and customization contracts as they can win the bids on .
B- ) Meanwhile there are issues other than cost involved with software applications used by governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access ...Governments, like any other organization running an IT operation, get to make their own policies on what qualifications they require of their external vendors.
(Moreso than most:  If their laws interfere with their policy choices they're in a position to change the laws.
B-)  )Mandating open source software for their own internal operations doesn't block commercial competitors from selling to the governments in question.
It only blocks them from selling CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE.
They're welcome to sell as much open source software and associated service and customization contracts as they can win the bids on.
B-)Meanwhile there are issues other than cost involved with software applications used by governments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270764</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Lorien\_the\_first\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1267104120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah, you've seen the Road to Serfdom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , you 've seen the Road to Serfdom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, you've seen the Road to Serfdom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31271212</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267108140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or publish them under a BSD-style license so that companies can take them etc.</p><p>(Captcha: "beautify".)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or publish them under a BSD-style license so that companies can take them etc .
( Captcha : " beautify " .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or publish them under a BSD-style license so that companies can take them etc.
(Captcha: "beautify".
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267414</id>
	<title>I don't know about fun, but *interesting*, yes,</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1265121060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that both sides of the argument are not being played exclusively by humans.</p><p>You see, sociopaths and psychopaths don't care about logical flaws in their arguments.  They don't even blink.  They just keep on bullshitting their way forward with charm and eloquence, and the real people who would be mortified to be caught in an obvious fallacy and who would either stumble or concede a point are at a serious disadvantage because the sharks just keep on swimming and eating.</p><p>The words in these arguments are being used by each side for entirely different reasons.  Humans use words to communicate and understand one another and attempt to reach fair and equitable solutions to the given problems.  Psychopaths, by contrast, have one prerogative; Destruction and Consumption, and words for them are merely tools used to confuse and manipulate as they advance their agenda.  Witness the entire economic crisis and the various wars and the whole 'terrorism' thing.</p><p>Interestingly, there a reason psychopathic individuals appear less frequently in societies which grew historically from small communities and tribes.  There is a natural genetic weeding out of those who carry the "Creep Gene".  They got pushed off the ice when nobody was looking and afterwards everybody in the tribe sighed with relief.  (Psychopaths require large systems to hide within so that when they use people, they can avoid collective awareness of their activities.  But when people start to compare notes and talk openly about their experiences, shitty people are quickly recognized.)</p><p>Psychopaths carry a number of genetic anomalies, and in America those genes have been allowed to express and multiply, largely because the society started with a mass-incursion through colonization (based on massive destruction, slavery and rampant consumption, activities which drew psychopaths like honey from all around the globe, much like the Haitian child abuse and slave trade which spiked after the chaos of the Earthquake, remained the defacto norm until today), rather than on self-weeding societies based on tribal and small community ethics.  The psychopath concentration in the US and other countries founded on colonization is many times greater than those which were not.  Globally, the estimate of the sociopath-to-human ratio is somewhere around 6\%.  But that spread isn't balanced across countries.  In the US, for instance, it is up around 30\%.  --That is, around one in three people are entirely selfish game players who are incapable of genuine compassion, who thrill at the pain of others, and who seek only to consume and to feed their darkness.  One in three.  This is the source of the whole, "Greed is Good," model of society.</p><p>But we won't have to put up with it for much longer.  Psychopathic societies are automatically set up to self-destruct.  Psychopaths are incapable of long-term planning; they are the cancer which kills the host.  This much is very clear.  Each year we grow that much closer to total melt-down.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that both sides of the argument are not being played exclusively by humans.You see , sociopaths and psychopaths do n't care about logical flaws in their arguments .
They do n't even blink .
They just keep on bullshitting their way forward with charm and eloquence , and the real people who would be mortified to be caught in an obvious fallacy and who would either stumble or concede a point are at a serious disadvantage because the sharks just keep on swimming and eating.The words in these arguments are being used by each side for entirely different reasons .
Humans use words to communicate and understand one another and attempt to reach fair and equitable solutions to the given problems .
Psychopaths , by contrast , have one prerogative ; Destruction and Consumption , and words for them are merely tools used to confuse and manipulate as they advance their agenda .
Witness the entire economic crisis and the various wars and the whole 'terrorism ' thing.Interestingly , there a reason psychopathic individuals appear less frequently in societies which grew historically from small communities and tribes .
There is a natural genetic weeding out of those who carry the " Creep Gene " .
They got pushed off the ice when nobody was looking and afterwards everybody in the tribe sighed with relief .
( Psychopaths require large systems to hide within so that when they use people , they can avoid collective awareness of their activities .
But when people start to compare notes and talk openly about their experiences , shitty people are quickly recognized .
) Psychopaths carry a number of genetic anomalies , and in America those genes have been allowed to express and multiply , largely because the society started with a mass-incursion through colonization ( based on massive destruction , slavery and rampant consumption , activities which drew psychopaths like honey from all around the globe , much like the Haitian child abuse and slave trade which spiked after the chaos of the Earthquake , remained the defacto norm until today ) , rather than on self-weeding societies based on tribal and small community ethics .
The psychopath concentration in the US and other countries founded on colonization is many times greater than those which were not .
Globally , the estimate of the sociopath-to-human ratio is somewhere around 6 \ % .
But that spread is n't balanced across countries .
In the US , for instance , it is up around 30 \ % .
--That is , around one in three people are entirely selfish game players who are incapable of genuine compassion , who thrill at the pain of others , and who seek only to consume and to feed their darkness .
One in three .
This is the source of the whole , " Greed is Good , " model of society.But we wo n't have to put up with it for much longer .
Psychopathic societies are automatically set up to self-destruct .
Psychopaths are incapable of long-term planning ; they are the cancer which kills the host .
This much is very clear .
Each year we grow that much closer to total melt-down.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that both sides of the argument are not being played exclusively by humans.You see, sociopaths and psychopaths don't care about logical flaws in their arguments.
They don't even blink.
They just keep on bullshitting their way forward with charm and eloquence, and the real people who would be mortified to be caught in an obvious fallacy and who would either stumble or concede a point are at a serious disadvantage because the sharks just keep on swimming and eating.The words in these arguments are being used by each side for entirely different reasons.
Humans use words to communicate and understand one another and attempt to reach fair and equitable solutions to the given problems.
Psychopaths, by contrast, have one prerogative; Destruction and Consumption, and words for them are merely tools used to confuse and manipulate as they advance their agenda.
Witness the entire economic crisis and the various wars and the whole 'terrorism' thing.Interestingly, there a reason psychopathic individuals appear less frequently in societies which grew historically from small communities and tribes.
There is a natural genetic weeding out of those who carry the "Creep Gene".
They got pushed off the ice when nobody was looking and afterwards everybody in the tribe sighed with relief.
(Psychopaths require large systems to hide within so that when they use people, they can avoid collective awareness of their activities.
But when people start to compare notes and talk openly about their experiences, shitty people are quickly recognized.
)Psychopaths carry a number of genetic anomalies, and in America those genes have been allowed to express and multiply, largely because the society started with a mass-incursion through colonization (based on massive destruction, slavery and rampant consumption, activities which drew psychopaths like honey from all around the globe, much like the Haitian child abuse and slave trade which spiked after the chaos of the Earthquake, remained the defacto norm until today), rather than on self-weeding societies based on tribal and small community ethics.
The psychopath concentration in the US and other countries founded on colonization is many times greater than those which were not.
Globally, the estimate of the sociopath-to-human ratio is somewhere around 6\%.
But that spread isn't balanced across countries.
In the US, for instance, it is up around 30\%.
--That is, around one in three people are entirely selfish game players who are incapable of genuine compassion, who thrill at the pain of others, and who seek only to consume and to feed their darkness.
One in three.
This is the source of the whole, "Greed is Good," model of society.But we won't have to put up with it for much longer.
Psychopathic societies are automatically set up to self-destruct.
Psychopaths are incapable of long-term planning; they are the cancer which kills the host.
This much is very clear.
Each year we grow that much closer to total melt-down.-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266578</id>
	<title>Where there is freedom now</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1265114640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe that was the meaning of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_HTTP\_status\_codes" title="wikipedia.org">301</a> [wikipedia.org] if such proposal is taken into account.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe that was the meaning of 301 [ wikipedia.org ] if such proposal is taken into account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe that was the meaning of 301 [wikipedia.org] if such proposal is taken into account.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264760</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1265106120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it's my recommendation that the IIPA &amp; all of it's member groups get put on the "Special DiaF" list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it 's my recommendation that the IIPA &amp; all of it 's member groups get put on the " Special DiaF " list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it's my recommendation that the IIPA &amp; all of it's member groups get put on the "Special DiaF" list.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265232</id>
	<title>This could get fun</title>
	<author>Kitkoan</author>
	<datestamp>1265108100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As this could effect MANY big players in unexpected ways.</p><p>Company's like Amazon will be effected due to the Kindle reader uses open source software ( <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505\_3-10266319-16.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505\_3-10266319-16.html</a> [cnet.com] )</p><p>Apple would be pretty much killed on sight since all there products run on either OSX or a modified version which is programmed from UNIX ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx</a> [wikipedia.org] ) (which is open sourced) and the open source Mach Kernel from BSD ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach\_kernel" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach\_kernel</a> [wikipedia.org] ).</p><p>While it is not in the US, the London Stock Exchange runs on the open source program MillenniumIT system ( <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/1742203/London-Stock-Exchange-Rejects-NET-For-Open-Source" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/1742203/London-Stock-Exchange-Rejects-NET-For-Open-Source</a> [slashdot.org] )</p><p>Last I knew, Linksys routers run on Linux ( <a href="http://wifinetnews.com/archives/2005/12/the\_l\_in\_linksys\_wrt54gl\_stands\_for\_linux.html" title="wifinetnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://wifinetnews.com/archives/2005/12/the\_l\_in\_linksys\_wrt54gl\_stands\_for\_linux.html</a> [wifinetnews.com] )</p><p>Microsoft could also be effected due to their new deal with Amazon with issues towards the patents involved in said deal ( <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/1231255/Microsoft-Amazon-Ink-Kindle-and-Linux-Patent-Deal" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/1231255/Microsoft-Amazon-Ink-Kindle-and-Linux-Patent-Deal</a> [slashdot.org] )</p><p>Then there is every Android phone since Android is made from Linux ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android\_(operating\_system)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android\_(operating\_system)</a> [wikipedia.org] ).
</p><p>At thats pretty much the tip of the iceberg. Many company's and products run on different versions of OSS, which all would be effected with this. And as you can see, this list of company's effected aren't just a small group of no names, but the big players like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Verizon, Linksys...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As this could effect MANY big players in unexpected ways.Company 's like Amazon will be effected due to the Kindle reader uses open source software ( http : //news.cnet.com/8301-13505 \ _3-10266319-16.html [ cnet.com ] ) Apple would be pretty much killed on sight since all there products run on either OSX or a modified version which is programmed from UNIX ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx [ wikipedia.org ] ) ( which is open sourced ) and the open source Mach Kernel from BSD ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach \ _kernel [ wikipedia.org ] ) .While it is not in the US , the London Stock Exchange runs on the open source program MillenniumIT system ( http : //linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/1742203/London-Stock-Exchange-Rejects-NET-For-Open-Source [ slashdot.org ] ) Last I knew , Linksys routers run on Linux ( http : //wifinetnews.com/archives/2005/12/the \ _l \ _in \ _linksys \ _wrt54gl \ _stands \ _for \ _linux.html [ wifinetnews.com ] ) Microsoft could also be effected due to their new deal with Amazon with issues towards the patents involved in said deal ( http : //news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/1231255/Microsoft-Amazon-Ink-Kindle-and-Linux-Patent-Deal [ slashdot.org ] ) Then there is every Android phone since Android is made from Linux ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android \ _ ( operating \ _system ) [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
At thats pretty much the tip of the iceberg .
Many company 's and products run on different versions of OSS , which all would be effected with this .
And as you can see , this list of company 's effected are n't just a small group of no names , but the big players like Apple , Amazon , Microsoft , Google , Verizon , Linksys.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As this could effect MANY big players in unexpected ways.Company's like Amazon will be effected due to the Kindle reader uses open source software ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505\_3-10266319-16.html [cnet.com] )Apple would be pretty much killed on sight since all there products run on either OSX or a modified version which is programmed from UNIX ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx [wikipedia.org] ) (which is open sourced) and the open source Mach Kernel from BSD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach\_kernel [wikipedia.org] ).While it is not in the US, the London Stock Exchange runs on the open source program MillenniumIT system ( http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/1742203/London-Stock-Exchange-Rejects-NET-For-Open-Source [slashdot.org] )Last I knew, Linksys routers run on Linux ( http://wifinetnews.com/archives/2005/12/the\_l\_in\_linksys\_wrt54gl\_stands\_for\_linux.html [wifinetnews.com] )Microsoft could also be effected due to their new deal with Amazon with issues towards the patents involved in said deal ( http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/1231255/Microsoft-Amazon-Ink-Kindle-and-Linux-Patent-Deal [slashdot.org] )Then there is every Android phone since Android is made from Linux ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android\_(operating\_system) [wikipedia.org] ).
At thats pretty much the tip of the iceberg.
Many company's and products run on different versions of OSS, which all would be effected with this.
And as you can see, this list of company's effected aren't just a small group of no names, but the big players like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Verizon, Linksys...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268758</id>
	<title>Too fast by far!</title>
	<author>sharkbiter</author>
	<datestamp>1265134440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way too quick to attempt the quashing of OSS, my little corporation! Only just yesterday had we learned of your attempts at imprisoning of the common man with DMCA and ACTA. Now, just now in an attempt of the equivalent of a "one-two" punch do you try to destroy what is left of our very liberty with a lobbyist group! Just how much is the populace capable of absorbing prior to a public lynching?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way too quick to attempt the quashing of OSS , my little corporation !
Only just yesterday had we learned of your attempts at imprisoning of the common man with DMCA and ACTA .
Now , just now in an attempt of the equivalent of a " one-two " punch do you try to destroy what is left of our very liberty with a lobbyist group !
Just how much is the populace capable of absorbing prior to a public lynching ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way too quick to attempt the quashing of OSS, my little corporation!
Only just yesterday had we learned of your attempts at imprisoning of the common man with DMCA and ACTA.
Now, just now in an attempt of the equivalent of a "one-two" punch do you try to destroy what is left of our very liberty with a lobbyist group!
Just how much is the populace capable of absorbing prior to a public lynching?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267766</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1265124360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem is, there aren't many free marketers.</p><p>On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists. And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives.' Neither side of the political debate want a free market. Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests. The only difference is which. And so the free market is strangled to death. Crushed under the weight of regulations, subsidies, fat government contracts and handouts.</p><p>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.</p></div><p>That is not a new idea - companies and people have been using regulation to stifle competition and limit entry for a very long time.  It's called regulatory capture. Some economist one a Nobel for writing about it a number of year ago.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The problem is , there are n't many free marketers.On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists .
And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives .
' Neither side of the political debate want a free market .
Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests .
The only difference is which .
And so the free market is strangled to death .
Crushed under the weight of regulations , subsidies , fat government contracts and handouts.The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces , for a short time , the long arm of political meddling.That is not a new idea - companies and people have been using regulation to stifle competition and limit entry for a very long time .
It 's called regulatory capture .
Some economist one a Nobel for writing about it a number of year ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, there aren't many free marketers.On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists.
And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives.
' Neither side of the political debate want a free market.
Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests.
The only difference is which.
And so the free market is strangled to death.
Crushed under the weight of regulations, subsidies, fat government contracts and handouts.The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.That is not a new idea - companies and people have been using regulation to stifle competition and limit entry for a very long time.
It's called regulatory capture.
Some economist one a Nobel for writing about it a number of year ago.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31324418</id>
	<title>You didn't read it, eh?</title>
	<author>kingttx</author>
	<datestamp>1267448460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd suggest reading the damned pdf file someone linked below and, you know, understand it.<p>

No, no, lemme place it right in front of your nose. After ranting and raving about piracy, CD/DVD burning (eh???), and whatnot, here is their recommended action for 2010:</p><blockquote><div><p>Priority Actions Requested in 2010: IIPA requests that the government of Indonesia take the following actions, which would result in the most significant near term commercial benefits to the copyright industries:<br>
Market Access and Related Issues<br>
 Rescind March 2009 MenPAN circular letter endorsing the use and adoption of open source software which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.</p></div></blockquote><p>

The circular letter <i>endorses</i> FOSS, it doesn't mandate it. Yet, IIPA wishes Indonesia to recant? Why? What logic, besides outright greed, connects suggesting gov't entities use FOSS with denying fair and equitable market access? </p><p>

Want more? Look on page 3 of that pdf under the title "Government Procurement Preference Denies U.S. Software Companies a Level Playing Field", and read this little tidbit about 20 times to get it into your head:<br>
"Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations. As such, it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights and also limits the ability of government or public-sector customers (e.g., State-owned enterprise) to choose the best solutions to meet the needs of their organizations and the Indonesian people."</p><p>

1. How does encouraging the use of FOSS "not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations"????<br>
2. How the hell does <i>anyone</i> dump any logic and come to the conclusion, "As such, it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights..."???<br>
3. Keep in the front of your mind this is to the USTR, not some article. This is a plea to enact action between the USTR and Indonesia, not some blog entry. Therefore, stating, in public effing record, that Indonesia is <i>wrong, wrong, wrong</i> for encouraging the use of FOSS (regardless that its use is not mandated) begins to show the true feelings behind this IIPA travesty. </p><p>

Others have said it better, this is IIPA et. al. crying, "You aren't using our software! That's not fair!!!" </p><p>

Still think "bias" is the right term? Come on!</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'd suggest reading the damned pdf file someone linked below and , you know , understand it .
No , no , lem me place it right in front of your nose .
After ranting and raving about piracy , CD/DVD burning ( eh ? ? ?
) , and whatnot , here is their recommended action for 2010 : Priority Actions Requested in 2010 : IIPA requests that the government of Indonesia take the following actions , which would result in the most significant near term commercial benefits to the copyright industries : Market Access and Related Issues Rescind March 2009 MenPAN circular letter endorsing the use and adoption of open source software which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies .
The circular letter endorses FOSS , it does n't mandate it .
Yet , IIPA wishes Indonesia to recant ?
Why ? What logic , besides outright greed , connects suggesting gov't entities use FOSS with denying fair and equitable market access ?
Want more ?
Look on page 3 of that pdf under the title " Government Procurement Preference Denies U.S. Software Companies a Level Playing Field " , and read this little tidbit about 20 times to get it into your head : " Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market , irrespective of the development model , it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations .
As such , it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights and also limits the ability of government or public-sector customers ( e.g. , State-owned enterprise ) to choose the best solutions to meet the needs of their organizations and the Indonesian people .
" 1 .
How does encouraging the use of FOSS " not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations " ? ? ? ?
2. How the hell does anyone dump any logic and come to the conclusion , " As such , it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights... " ? ? ?
3. Keep in the front of your mind this is to the USTR , not some article .
This is a plea to enact action between the USTR and Indonesia , not some blog entry .
Therefore , stating , in public effing record , that Indonesia is wrong , wrong , wrong for encouraging the use of FOSS ( regardless that its use is not mandated ) begins to show the true feelings behind this IIPA travesty .
Others have said it better , this is IIPA et .
al. crying , " You are n't using our software !
That 's not fair ! ! !
" Still think " bias " is the right term ?
Come on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest reading the damned pdf file someone linked below and, you know, understand it.
No, no, lemme place it right in front of your nose.
After ranting and raving about piracy, CD/DVD burning (eh???
), and whatnot, here is their recommended action for 2010:Priority Actions Requested in 2010: IIPA requests that the government of Indonesia take the following actions, which would result in the most significant near term commercial benefits to the copyright industries:
Market Access and Related Issues
 Rescind March 2009 MenPAN circular letter endorsing the use and adoption of open source software which threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.
The circular letter endorses FOSS, it doesn't mandate it.
Yet, IIPA wishes Indonesia to recant?
Why? What logic, besides outright greed, connects suggesting gov't entities use FOSS with denying fair and equitable market access?
Want more?
Look on page 3 of that pdf under the title "Government Procurement Preference Denies U.S. Software Companies a Level Playing Field", and read this little tidbit about 20 times to get it into your head:
"Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.
As such, it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights and also limits the ability of government or public-sector customers (e.g., State-owned enterprise) to choose the best solutions to meet the needs of their organizations and the Indonesian people.
"

1.
How does encouraging the use of FOSS "not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations"????
2. How the hell does anyone dump any logic and come to the conclusion, "As such, it fails to build respect for intellectual property rights..."???
3. Keep in the front of your mind this is to the USTR, not some article.
This is a plea to enact action between the USTR and Indonesia, not some blog entry.
Therefore, stating, in public effing record, that Indonesia is wrong, wrong, wrong for encouraging the use of FOSS (regardless that its use is not mandated) begins to show the true feelings behind this IIPA travesty.
Others have said it better, this is IIPA et.
al. crying, "You aren't using our software!
That's not fair!!!
" 

Still think "bias" is the right term?
Come on!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264680</id>
	<title>whatever</title>
	<author>pak9rabid</author>
	<datestamp>1265105820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not only did the British government <b>changed</b> the wording around its controversial 'three strikes' proposals,...</p></div><p>That's around the part of the article where I stopped reading it.  If one can't bother to at least proofread their own drivel, then I'm certainly not going to bother reading it myself.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Not only did the British government changed the wording around its controversial 'three strikes ' proposals,...That 's around the part of the article where I stopped reading it .
If one ca n't bother to at least proofread their own drivel , then I 'm certainly not going to bother reading it myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only did the British government changed the wording around its controversial 'three strikes' proposals,...That's around the part of the article where I stopped reading it.
If one can't bother to at least proofread their own drivel, then I'm certainly not going to bother reading it myself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264432</id>
	<title>If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265104860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what happens if you write/contribute to open source?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what happens if you write/contribute to open source ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what happens if you write/contribute to open source?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264886</id>
	<title>DOESN'T MATTER</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll all be jobless and destitute soon enough,Obamunism is just getting started. Between that and FOSSUNISM, YOUR ALL FUCKING DOOMED SINCE YOUR GONNA WRITE YOURSELVES OUT OF JOB BUTT MONKEYS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll all be jobless and destitute soon enough,Obamunism is just getting started .
Between that and FOSSUNISM , YOUR ALL FUCKING DOOMED SINCE YOUR GON NA WRITE YOURSELVES OUT OF JOB BUTT MONKEYS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll all be jobless and destitute soon enough,Obamunism is just getting started.
Between that and FOSSUNISM, YOUR ALL FUCKING DOOMED SINCE YOUR GONNA WRITE YOURSELVES OUT OF JOB BUTT MONKEYS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269700</id>
	<title>You're a pirate !</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1267090080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh... Then join the pirate party. That is exactly their line : if you know anything about computers, in the legal world of today, you are a pirate. Join your party !</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh... Then join the pirate party .
That is exactly their line : if you know anything about computers , in the legal world of today , you are a pirate .
Join your party !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh... Then join the pirate party.
That is exactly their line : if you know anything about computers, in the legal world of today, you are a pirate.
Join your party !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265956</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265111160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Talk about your false dichotomies and one true scotsman fallacies.  Your post reads like someone complaining that "true christianity" has never been tried because atheists and hindus both exist.  Deal with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Talk about your false dichotomies and one true scotsman fallacies .
Your post reads like someone complaining that " true christianity " has never been tried because atheists and hindus both exist .
Deal with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talk about your false dichotomies and one true scotsman fallacies.
Your post reads like someone complaining that "true christianity" has never been tried because atheists and hindus both exist.
Deal with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267548</id>
	<title>nt</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1265122260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still waiting to see how <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO\_v.\_Novell" title="wikipedia.org">March 8th</a> [wikipedia.org] turns out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still waiting to see how March 8th [ wikipedia.org ] turns out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still waiting to see how March 8th [wikipedia.org] turns out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266214</id>
	<title>Re:"IP" != capitalism</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1265112540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, and according to the US Constitution, at least, copyright is not really a "right".
</p><p>What I mean by that is, look at the Constitution.  Look at where it talks about real human rights, like freedom of speech, freedom against cruel and unusual punishment, etc.  Where's all that stuff?  It's in the amendments, where the authors wanted to list some of the inalienable human rights that the government was forbidden from intruding on.
</p><p>Now let's find where it talks about copyrights.  You know where that is?  Article 2, section 8, under "Powers of Congress".  Congress is granted the power to grant special rights in order to promote science and art.  It comes right under the Congress's power to build communications infrastructure, i.e. directly in the section where the US government is being granted some of its most socialist powers.
</p><p>Whereas the Bill of Rights are inalienable human rights that the government is forbidden from taking away, copyright is a socialist program that the government was empowered to create.  However, the government is not constitutionally obligated to provide copyright protection of any kind; they're merely allowed to provide it insofar as the goal is to promote science and art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , and according to the US Constitution , at least , copyright is not really a " right " .
What I mean by that is , look at the Constitution .
Look at where it talks about real human rights , like freedom of speech , freedom against cruel and unusual punishment , etc .
Where 's all that stuff ?
It 's in the amendments , where the authors wanted to list some of the inalienable human rights that the government was forbidden from intruding on .
Now let 's find where it talks about copyrights .
You know where that is ?
Article 2 , section 8 , under " Powers of Congress " .
Congress is granted the power to grant special rights in order to promote science and art .
It comes right under the Congress 's power to build communications infrastructure , i.e .
directly in the section where the US government is being granted some of its most socialist powers .
Whereas the Bill of Rights are inalienable human rights that the government is forbidden from taking away , copyright is a socialist program that the government was empowered to create .
However , the government is not constitutionally obligated to provide copyright protection of any kind ; they 're merely allowed to provide it insofar as the goal is to promote science and art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, and according to the US Constitution, at least, copyright is not really a "right".
What I mean by that is, look at the Constitution.
Look at where it talks about real human rights, like freedom of speech, freedom against cruel and unusual punishment, etc.
Where's all that stuff?
It's in the amendments, where the authors wanted to list some of the inalienable human rights that the government was forbidden from intruding on.
Now let's find where it talks about copyrights.
You know where that is?
Article 2, section 8, under "Powers of Congress".
Congress is granted the power to grant special rights in order to promote science and art.
It comes right under the Congress's power to build communications infrastructure, i.e.
directly in the section where the US government is being granted some of its most socialist powers.
Whereas the Bill of Rights are inalienable human rights that the government is forbidden from taking away, copyright is a socialist program that the government was empowered to create.
However, the government is not constitutionally obligated to provide copyright protection of any kind; they're merely allowed to provide it insofar as the goal is to promote science and art.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265596</id>
	<title>Hide your source code ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1265109540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and you must be a pirate. Why hide something when you haven't done something wrong?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and you must be a pirate .
Why hide something when you have n't done something wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... and you must be a pirate.
Why hide something when you haven't done something wrong?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266766</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>jpmorgan</author>
	<datestamp>1265115780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least I made a point, and didn't hide bad criticism behind cliches and bad analogies.</p><p>If you think the claim that rent-seekers are not free marketers is an example of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy, you need to either study your logical fallacies or your economics.</p><p>If you want a stupid Christianity analogy, then my post reads like someone complaining that "true Christians" are rare because most people are either atheists or hypocrits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least I made a point , and did n't hide bad criticism behind cliches and bad analogies.If you think the claim that rent-seekers are not free marketers is an example of the 'No True Scotsman ' fallacy , you need to either study your logical fallacies or your economics.If you want a stupid Christianity analogy , then my post reads like someone complaining that " true Christians " are rare because most people are either atheists or hypocrits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least I made a point, and didn't hide bad criticism behind cliches and bad analogies.If you think the claim that rent-seekers are not free marketers is an example of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy, you need to either study your logical fallacies or your economics.If you want a stupid Christianity analogy, then my post reads like someone complaining that "true Christians" are rare because most people are either atheists or hypocrits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265420</id>
	<title>Re:now they fight FOSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265108760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm probably the Nth person to quote this, but it's so fitting:</p><p>&quot;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, <i>then they fight you</i>, then you win.&quot;</p></div><p>What a coincidence, I'm the n+1th person to quote this!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm probably the Nth person to quote this , but it 's so fitting : " First they ignore you , then they laugh at you , then they fight you , then you win .
" What a coincidence , I 'm the n + 1th person to quote this !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm probably the Nth person to quote this, but it's so fitting:"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
"What a coincidence, I'm the n+1th person to quote this!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31295310</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267302120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OSS software</p></div><p>Open Source Software software....?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OSS softwareOpen Source Software software.... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OSS softwareOpen Source Software software....?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264632</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1265105580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then you support pirates, which means that you must be guilty of "contributory infringement".<br> <br>

In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.<br> <br>

Anybody who makes, and in public no less, the argument that OSS software, voluntarily released by its owners under particular licences, is a "threat to intellectual property" is simply making the petulant demand that "intellectual property" be made to equal "Payments to me, in perpetuity". The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you support pirates , which means that you must be guilty of " contributory infringement " .
In all seriousness , though , times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who do n't deserve to live .
Anybody who makes , and in public no less , the argument that OSS software , voluntarily released by its owners under particular licences , is a " threat to intellectual property " is simply making the petulant demand that " intellectual property " be made to equal " Payments to me , in perpetuity " .
The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you support pirates, which means that you must be guilty of "contributory infringement".
In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.
Anybody who makes, and in public no less, the argument that OSS software, voluntarily released by its owners under particular licences, is a "threat to intellectual property" is simply making the petulant demand that "intellectual property" be made to equal "Payments to me, in perpetuity".
The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265512</id>
	<title>IIPA= Terrorists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265109180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It time to classify the IIPA and their members as economic terrorists. Herd them all up, transport them to Guantanamo and waterboard them for their nefarious intel and prosecute them as enemies of the state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It time to classify the IIPA and their members as economic terrorists .
Herd them all up , transport them to Guantanamo and waterboard them for their nefarious intel and prosecute them as enemies of the state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It time to classify the IIPA and their members as economic terrorists.
Herd them all up, transport them to Guantanamo and waterboard them for their nefarious intel and prosecute them as enemies of the state.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265842</id>
	<title>They Just Want to Ban Competitors</title>
	<author>twmcneil</author>
	<datestamp>1265110500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the long version of the report speaking about OSS use in Indonesia:<p><div class="quote"><p>For example, in March 2009, the Ministry of Administrative Reform (MenPAN) issued Circular Letter No. 1 of 2009 to all central and provincial government offices including State-owned enterprises, endorsing the use and adoption of open source software within government organizations. While the government issued this circular in part with the stated goal to "reduc[e] software copyright violation[s]," in fact, by denying technology choice, the measure will create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.</p></div><p>There they go using backwards English again. They admit that Indonesia was trying to reduce copyright violations with this advice. Then they turn around and claim that adopting OSS solutions creates trade barriers that deny them fair and equitable market access.  Whiskey Tango, Foxtrot?  Did these guys go to a special school to learn how to talk like that?<br> <br>If OSS is so hard to compete against maybe you should give some thought to your business model and realize that it needs some serious fixing. No, easier to get the government to take out the competition for you. Lazy Bastards.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the long version of the report speaking about OSS use in Indonesia : For example , in March 2009 , the Ministry of Administrative Reform ( MenPAN ) issued Circular Letter No .
1 of 2009 to all central and provincial government offices including State-owned enterprises , endorsing the use and adoption of open source software within government organizations .
While the government issued this circular in part with the stated goal to " reduc [ e ] software copyright violation [ s ] , " in fact , by denying technology choice , the measure will create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.There they go using backwards English again .
They admit that Indonesia was trying to reduce copyright violations with this advice .
Then they turn around and claim that adopting OSS solutions creates trade barriers that deny them fair and equitable market access .
Whiskey Tango , Foxtrot ?
Did these guys go to a special school to learn how to talk like that ?
If OSS is so hard to compete against maybe you should give some thought to your business model and realize that it needs some serious fixing .
No , easier to get the government to take out the competition for you .
Lazy Bastards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the long version of the report speaking about OSS use in Indonesia:For example, in March 2009, the Ministry of Administrative Reform (MenPAN) issued Circular Letter No.
1 of 2009 to all central and provincial government offices including State-owned enterprises, endorsing the use and adoption of open source software within government organizations.
While the government issued this circular in part with the stated goal to "reduc[e] software copyright violation[s]," in fact, by denying technology choice, the measure will create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.There they go using backwards English again.
They admit that Indonesia was trying to reduce copyright violations with this advice.
Then they turn around and claim that adopting OSS solutions creates trade barriers that deny them fair and equitable market access.
Whiskey Tango, Foxtrot?
Did these guys go to a special school to learn how to talk like that?
If OSS is so hard to compete against maybe you should give some thought to your business model and realize that it needs some serious fixing.
No, easier to get the government to take out the competition for you.
Lazy Bastards.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31281862</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"free market" and "deregulation" don't mean the same thing. In a deregulated market, monopolies and oligopolies can set up barriers to entry, or muscle their way into new industries, without fear of, say, antitrust suits. For a market to be truly free, there needs to be enough of the right kind of regulation to ensure that small guys have a chance to start and grow a business in whatever industry they like.</p><p>Open source (eg, GPL'd, but not so much BSD'd) software produces something like a free software market. However, to do so, it relies on copyright law to ensure that people can't make un-free derivatives of free software. The right kind of regulation, properly applied, helps ensure greater freedom in the software industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" free market " and " deregulation " do n't mean the same thing .
In a deregulated market , monopolies and oligopolies can set up barriers to entry , or muscle their way into new industries , without fear of , say , antitrust suits .
For a market to be truly free , there needs to be enough of the right kind of regulation to ensure that small guys have a chance to start and grow a business in whatever industry they like.Open source ( eg , GPL 'd , but not so much BSD 'd ) software produces something like a free software market .
However , to do so , it relies on copyright law to ensure that people ca n't make un-free derivatives of free software .
The right kind of regulation , properly applied , helps ensure greater freedom in the software industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"free market" and "deregulation" don't mean the same thing.
In a deregulated market, monopolies and oligopolies can set up barriers to entry, or muscle their way into new industries, without fear of, say, antitrust suits.
For a market to be truly free, there needs to be enough of the right kind of regulation to ensure that small guys have a chance to start and grow a business in whatever industry they like.Open source (eg, GPL'd, but not so much BSD'd) software produces something like a free software market.
However, to do so, it relies on copyright law to ensure that people can't make un-free derivatives of free software.
The right kind of regulation, properly applied, helps ensure greater freedom in the software industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264978</id>
	<title>As a pirate would say...</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1265107080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Use Open Source? Then You're a Pirate!"
<br>
<br>
<br>
Then a <i>Pirate Arg Be</i>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Use Open Source ?
Then You 're a Pirate !
" Then a Pirate Arg Be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Use Open Source?
Then You're a Pirate!
"



Then a Pirate Arg Be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31273788</id>
	<title>Re:Should be named...</title>
	<author>icannotthinkofaname</author>
	<datestamp>1267121220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><tt>reasonsToMoveToCanada++;</tt></p><p>Shoot...should have stored that var in a larger datatype.  Or at least, I should have unsigned it. &gt;\_&lt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>reasonsToMoveToCanada + + ; Shoot...should have stored that var in a larger datatype .
Or at least , I should have unsigned it .
&gt; \ _</tokentext>
<sentencetext>reasonsToMoveToCanada++;Shoot...should have stored that var in a larger datatype.
Or at least, I should have unsigned it.
&gt;\_</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265660</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>jgrahn</author>
	<datestamp>1265109840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And here's an interesting point: DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov, and I'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms, even if their main desktop deployments are Windows.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Bind, the name server, is a more obvious example.
Or the BSD IP stack.
You cannot get much useful work done without using free software in some form,
no matter how hard you try,</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here 's an interesting point : DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov , and I 'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms , even if their main desktop deployments are Windows .
Bind , the name server , is a more obvious example .
Or the BSD IP stack .
You can not get much useful work done without using free software in some form , no matter how hard you try ,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here's an interesting point: DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov, and I'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms, even if their main desktop deployments are Windows.
Bind, the name server, is a more obvious example.
Or the BSD IP stack.
You cannot get much useful work done without using free software in some form,
no matter how hard you try,
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266224</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>andydread</author>
	<datestamp>1265112540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Crushed under the weight of regulations,</p></div><p>The problem is that companies do unscrupulous things in the absence of regulation.   Monsanto and PCPs for instance.   Do we really want companies pumping toxic crap into our ground water?   What about pumping black soot into the sky?  How about using melamine in milk to maximize profits?  What about all the snake oil stuff that got sold to the public in the 1920s? with the lack of regulation.  back then people had all kinds of
<a href="http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/10-radioactive-products-that-people-actually-used/1388" title="environmen...affiti.com">radioactive products</a> [environmen...affiti.com] back then.  No regulation.   Look at china today.  Look at Bejing.   Where they had to take drastic measures to cut smog for the Olympics.  The don't use catalytic converters over there.  Look at all the companies that know they are selling unsafe products due to internal research yet still chose to sell the product because profits come first.   I think its the sleazy players in the marketplace that forces regulators to step in.  If the market players had any ethics there would be no need to regulate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Crushed under the weight of regulations,The problem is that companies do unscrupulous things in the absence of regulation .
Monsanto and PCPs for instance .
Do we really want companies pumping toxic crap into our ground water ?
What about pumping black soot into the sky ?
How about using melamine in milk to maximize profits ?
What about all the snake oil stuff that got sold to the public in the 1920s ?
with the lack of regulation .
back then people had all kinds of radioactive products [ environmen...affiti.com ] back then .
No regulation .
Look at china today .
Look at Bejing .
Where they had to take drastic measures to cut smog for the Olympics .
The do n't use catalytic converters over there .
Look at all the companies that know they are selling unsafe products due to internal research yet still chose to sell the product because profits come first .
I think its the sleazy players in the marketplace that forces regulators to step in .
If the market players had any ethics there would be no need to regulate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Crushed under the weight of regulations,The problem is that companies do unscrupulous things in the absence of regulation.
Monsanto and PCPs for instance.
Do we really want companies pumping toxic crap into our ground water?
What about pumping black soot into the sky?
How about using melamine in milk to maximize profits?
What about all the snake oil stuff that got sold to the public in the 1920s?
with the lack of regulation.
back then people had all kinds of
radioactive products [environmen...affiti.com] back then.
No regulation.
Look at china today.
Look at Bejing.
Where they had to take drastic measures to cut smog for the Olympics.
The don't use catalytic converters over there.
Look at all the companies that know they are selling unsafe products due to internal research yet still chose to sell the product because profits come first.
I think its the sleazy players in the marketplace that forces regulators to step in.
If the market players had any ethics there would be no need to regulate.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265430</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1265108820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia:</p><blockquote><div><p>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.</p></div></blockquote><p>I think this is is seriously flawed logic.</p> </div><p>Flawed for who? Us users or the companies that are buying the laws to restrict our rights and freedoms?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia : Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market , irrespective of the development model , it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.I think this is is seriously flawed logic .
Flawed for who ?
Us users or the companies that are buying the laws to restrict our rights and freedoms ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia:Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.I think this is is seriously flawed logic.
Flawed for who?
Us users or the companies that are buying the laws to restrict our rights and freedoms?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265536</id>
	<title>To avoid hypocrisy</title>
	<author>niftyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1265109300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>or at least the appearance of hypocrisy - the corporations funding the IIPA should immediately cease use of any and all OSS. <br>
That means - no linux embedded products ie network routers, high def tvs etc, no linux server farms for the Hollywood cgi-rendering farms, no apache, and no Google!</htmltext>
<tokenext>or at least the appearance of hypocrisy - the corporations funding the IIPA should immediately cease use of any and all OSS .
That means - no linux embedded products ie network routers , high def tvs etc , no linux server farms for the Hollywood cgi-rendering farms , no apache , and no Google !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or at least the appearance of hypocrisy - the corporations funding the IIPA should immediately cease use of any and all OSS.
That means - no linux embedded products ie network routers, high def tvs etc, no linux server farms for the Hollywood cgi-rendering farms, no apache, and no Google!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265112</id>
	<title>Its like outlawing marriage</title>
	<author>SlashDread</author>
	<datestamp>1265107620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since its absolutely possible to charge for it.</p><p>(Forgot who im misquoting here)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since its absolutely possible to charge for it .
( Forgot who im misquoting here )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since its absolutely possible to charge for it.
(Forgot who im misquoting here)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264642</id>
	<title>then call me a pirate!</title>
	<author>Yaddoshi</author>
	<datestamp>1265105640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although due to the fact that "Arr" has been trademarked, I must now instead say "Ess"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although due to the fact that " Arr " has been trademarked , I must now instead say " Ess "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although due to the fact that "Arr" has been trademarked, I must now instead say "Ess"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265670</id>
	<title>Re:Time to move</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1265109900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, but then you'd end up probably moving to one of those rogue 'Special 301' countries and we'd have to classify you as an enemy combatant.  Might as well just head to Gitmo now and save yourself a crapload of travel expense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , but then you 'd end up probably moving to one of those rogue 'Special 301 ' countries and we 'd have to classify you as an enemy combatant .
Might as well just head to Gitmo now and save yourself a crapload of travel expense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, but then you'd end up probably moving to one of those rogue 'Special 301' countries and we'd have to classify you as an enemy combatant.
Might as well just head to Gitmo now and save yourself a crapload of travel expense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265638</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>DJLuc1d</author>
	<datestamp>1265109720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to quote that part of TFA but you beat me there. That is some really convoluted thinking....
Aside from your points I took exception with the "it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations" part.

"<i>Does not give due consideration to the value</i>" If anything FOSS does exactly that. On one hand I have MS Office for $300, on the other I have Open Office that costs nothing. They both do the same thing, and have interoperability to a point, but one costs $300 and one is free. It doesn't take a genius to see that I just considered value.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to quote that part of TFA but you beat me there .
That is some really convoluted thinking... . Aside from your points I took exception with the " it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations " part .
" Does not give due consideration to the value " If anything FOSS does exactly that .
On one hand I have MS Office for $ 300 , on the other I have Open Office that costs nothing .
They both do the same thing , and have interoperability to a point , but one costs $ 300 and one is free .
It does n't take a genius to see that I just considered value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to quote that part of TFA but you beat me there.
That is some really convoluted thinking....
Aside from your points I took exception with the "it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations" part.
"Does not give due consideration to the value" If anything FOSS does exactly that.
On one hand I have MS Office for $300, on the other I have Open Office that costs nothing.
They both do the same thing, and have interoperability to a point, but one costs $300 and one is free.
It doesn't take a genius to see that I just considered value.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265876</id>
	<title>Consumer electronics</title>
	<author>dumfrac</author>
	<datestamp>1265110620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect that the consumer electronics companies that are using open source software may be slightly upset about being classed as a pirate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that the consumer electronics companies that are using open source software may be slightly upset about being classed as a pirate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that the consumer electronics companies that are using open source software may be slightly upset about being classed as a pirate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266140</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1265112180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think we used to call those lynch mobs...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we used to call those lynch mobs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we used to call those lynch mobs...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268692</id>
	<title>We should lobby for an audit of the IIPA companies</title>
	<author>Ixitar</author>
	<datestamp>1265133660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since these companies consider open source as the equivalent to piracy, then we should not find a single bit of open source on any of their systems.</p><p>If there is open source software on their systems, then the offending companies should either:</p><p>1) remove all vestiges of open source on their systems within 3 to 6 months.<br>2) force the IIPA to recant their lobbying efforts.<br>3) remove themselves from the IIPA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since these companies consider open source as the equivalent to piracy , then we should not find a single bit of open source on any of their systems.If there is open source software on their systems , then the offending companies should either : 1 ) remove all vestiges of open source on their systems within 3 to 6 months.2 ) force the IIPA to recant their lobbying efforts.3 ) remove themselves from the IIPA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since these companies consider open source as the equivalent to piracy, then we should not find a single bit of open source on any of their systems.If there is open source software on their systems, then the offending companies should either:1) remove all vestiges of open source on their systems within 3 to 6 months.2) force the IIPA to recant their lobbying efforts.3) remove themselves from the IIPA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264810</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1265106360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And here's an interesting point: DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov, and I'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms, even if their main desktop deployments are Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And here 's an interesting point : DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov , and I 'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms , even if their main desktop deployments are Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here's an interesting point: DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov, and I'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms, even if their main desktop deployments are Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269002</id>
	<title>Really</title>
	<author>teknosapien</author>
	<datestamp>1265137200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Than that means that most US companies are Pirates. I am willing to bet that you can not walk into any company in the US or that is US based, with an IT department and not find any open source software or platform up and running. I'll even go so far as to say that the company that this person is employed by is running some open source "product" !
I wonder how some of these MORONS get jobs</htmltext>
<tokenext>Than that means that most US companies are Pirates .
I am willing to bet that you can not walk into any company in the US or that is US based , with an IT department and not find any open source software or platform up and running .
I 'll even go so far as to say that the company that this person is employed by is running some open source " product " !
I wonder how some of these MORONS get jobs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Than that means that most US companies are Pirates.
I am willing to bet that you can not walk into any company in the US or that is US based, with an IT department and not find any open source software or platform up and running.
I'll even go so far as to say that the company that this person is employed by is running some open source "product" !
I wonder how some of these MORONS get jobs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31321156</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Rakarra</author>
	<datestamp>1267434900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What about all the snake oil stuff that got sold to the public in the 1920s? with the lack of regulation. back then people had all kinds of radioactive products [environmen...affiti.com] back then.</i></p><p>Well... in their defense, not much was known about the dangers of various types of radiation back in the 1920s. Nobel prize-winners (like Madam Curie) died from the exposure they didn't realize would kill them. Don't see too many people handling radioactive isotopes with their bare hands these days.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all the snake oil stuff that got sold to the public in the 1920s ?
with the lack of regulation .
back then people had all kinds of radioactive products [ environmen...affiti.com ] back then.Well... in their defense , not much was known about the dangers of various types of radiation back in the 1920s .
Nobel prize-winners ( like Madam Curie ) died from the exposure they did n't realize would kill them .
Do n't see too many people handling radioactive isotopes with their bare hands these days .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all the snake oil stuff that got sold to the public in the 1920s?
with the lack of regulation.
back then people had all kinds of radioactive products [environmen...affiti.com] back then.Well... in their defense, not much was known about the dangers of various types of radiation back in the 1920s.
Nobel prize-winners (like Madam Curie) died from the exposure they didn't realize would kill them.
Don't see too many people handling radioactive isotopes with their bare hands these days.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265396</id>
	<title>Re:It's a government organization</title>
	<author>Shimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1265108700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With Intellectual in the title.  That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever.</p></div><p>Fail. It's a business lobby group. Members include: BSA, MPAA, RIAA. Nuff said.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Intellectual in the title .
That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever.Fail .
It 's a business lobby group .
Members include : BSA , MPAA , RIAA .
Nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Intellectual in the title.
That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever.Fail.
It's a business lobby group.
Members include: BSA, MPAA, RIAA.
Nuff said.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264896</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267336</id>
	<title>Re:Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>domatic</author>
	<datestamp>1265120340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then it is equivalent to mentioning Open Source in the same breath as piracy and they are still saying that a sovereign government mandating Open Source for their own use are borderline criminals of some sort.  It still stinks to high heaven.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then it is equivalent to mentioning Open Source in the same breath as piracy and they are still saying that a sovereign government mandating Open Source for their own use are borderline criminals of some sort .
It still stinks to high heaven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then it is equivalent to mentioning Open Source in the same breath as piracy and they are still saying that a sovereign government mandating Open Source for their own use are borderline criminals of some sort.
It still stinks to high heaven.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266004</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1265111340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if I bith write and use OSS, I'm a communistic pirate?<br>But what does it mean to be a communistic pirate? Entering ships, but then instead of just taking everything from it, you share with the other ship?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I bith write and use OSS , I 'm a communistic pirate ? But what does it mean to be a communistic pirate ?
Entering ships , but then instead of just taking everything from it , you share with the other ship ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I bith write and use OSS, I'm a communistic pirate?But what does it mean to be a communistic pirate?
Entering ships, but then instead of just taking everything from it, you share with the other ship?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264830</id>
	<title>Open source hardly gets a mention</title>
	<author>Shimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1265106420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not wishing to defend these guys too much but on a quick read of one of their reports, they barely mention open source. Here's all the <a href="http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301BRAZIL.pdf" title="iipa.com">report on Brazil</a> [iipa.com] says about FOSS:</p><p>"Avoid legislation on the mandatory use of open source software by government agencies and government controlled<br>companies."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not wishing to defend these guys too much but on a quick read of one of their reports , they barely mention open source .
Here 's all the report on Brazil [ iipa.com ] says about FOSS : " Avoid legislation on the mandatory use of open source software by government agencies and government controlledcompanies .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not wishing to defend these guys too much but on a quick read of one of their reports, they barely mention open source.
Here's all the report on Brazil [iipa.com] says about FOSS:"Avoid legislation on the mandatory use of open source software by government agencies and government controlledcompanies.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269412</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>steve jobs, is that you commenting on BSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>steve jobs , is that you commenting on BSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>steve jobs, is that you commenting on BSD?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264868</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1265106540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266690</id>
	<title>It's More About Trade Barriers</title>
	<author>davidbofinger</author>
	<datestamp>1265115360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The IIPA writes:
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>weakens the software industry and undermines its long-term competitiveness by creating an artificial preference for companies offering open source software and related services, even as it denies many legitimate companies access to the government market. Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market</p></div><p>
In other words it's saying that a preference for free software is a distortion of the free market that's relevant to import-export (because the competing non-free software would quite likely come from the US). It's an awful big stretch from there to claiming it's a barrier to trade, which is really what they need to be able to legitimately complain about it, but still their argument makes slightly more sense than it's been credited with by TFA.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The IIPA writes : weakens the software industry and undermines its long-term competitiveness by creating an artificial preference for companies offering open source software and related services , even as it denies many legitimate companies access to the government market .
Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market In other words it 's saying that a preference for free software is a distortion of the free market that 's relevant to import-export ( because the competing non-free software would quite likely come from the US ) .
It 's an awful big stretch from there to claiming it 's a barrier to trade , which is really what they need to be able to legitimately complain about it , but still their argument makes slightly more sense than it 's been credited with by TFA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The IIPA writes:
weakens the software industry and undermines its long-term competitiveness by creating an artificial preference for companies offering open source software and related services, even as it denies many legitimate companies access to the government market.
Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market
In other words it's saying that a preference for free software is a distortion of the free market that's relevant to import-export (because the competing non-free software would quite likely come from the US).
It's an awful big stretch from there to claiming it's a barrier to trade, which is really what they need to be able to legitimately complain about it, but still their argument makes slightly more sense than it's been credited with by TFA.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265074</id>
	<title>After Reading The IIPA Documents</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1265107500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access and what they consider to be a non-illegal but misguided solution to the problem of piracy. They're not saying that using OSS users are pirates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access and what they consider to be a non-illegal but misguided solution to the problem of piracy .
They 're not saying that using OSS users are pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access and what they consider to be a non-illegal but misguided solution to the problem of piracy.
They're not saying that using OSS users are pirates.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31277886</id>
	<title>Re:Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267093500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can accept the argument that undo preference for open-source software could cause countries to use less capable (free) software over more capable (purchased) software - if an open-source equivalent is inferior to some closed-sourced software. No doubt, open-source advocates would absolutely consider this kind of bias to be evil if those same countries reversed their position and said that they favored closed-source software over open-source competitors.</p></div><p>Well, it is cheaper. Buying 'the best' isn't usually an option. Why? It's usually overpriced! By going with the cheapest solution that still solves the problem, the state is looking after the interests of those it represents, at least in theory.  It's up to those who wish to charge for their software to offer enough value above and beyond the shifting target of what's freely available to justify their pricing. Otherwise, why pay for it? This is what they're really bitching about. They want their renter system so they can sit there and watch the cash roll in.  The OSS crowd bitches about the big vendors because they buy law to protect their business interests, which is cheating the market.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>At this point, I'm considering Slashdot's interpretation of events to be unfair and biased.</p></div><p>what do you expect? it caters to the OSS crowd. it would be nice if the sensationalism was cut down a bit, but it's certainly not worse than the corporate astroturfing (in the form of bough studies, infotisements, and 'trade' shows) that comes from the big vendors. It really does amazing how overpriced software can get. A market cannot survive on false scarcity without a police state to back it up.  It's unfortunate that we're trying for the latter instead of refusing to reward the former.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can accept the argument that undo preference for open-source software could cause countries to use less capable ( free ) software over more capable ( purchased ) software - if an open-source equivalent is inferior to some closed-sourced software .
No doubt , open-source advocates would absolutely consider this kind of bias to be evil if those same countries reversed their position and said that they favored closed-source software over open-source competitors.Well , it is cheaper .
Buying 'the best ' is n't usually an option .
Why ? It 's usually overpriced !
By going with the cheapest solution that still solves the problem , the state is looking after the interests of those it represents , at least in theory .
It 's up to those who wish to charge for their software to offer enough value above and beyond the shifting target of what 's freely available to justify their pricing .
Otherwise , why pay for it ?
This is what they 're really bitching about .
They want their renter system so they can sit there and watch the cash roll in .
The OSS crowd bitches about the big vendors because they buy law to protect their business interests , which is cheating the market.At this point , I 'm considering Slashdot 's interpretation of events to be unfair and biased.what do you expect ?
it caters to the OSS crowd .
it would be nice if the sensationalism was cut down a bit , but it 's certainly not worse than the corporate astroturfing ( in the form of bough studies , infotisements , and 'trade ' shows ) that comes from the big vendors .
It really does amazing how overpriced software can get .
A market can not survive on false scarcity without a police state to back it up .
It 's unfortunate that we 're trying for the latter instead of refusing to reward the former .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can accept the argument that undo preference for open-source software could cause countries to use less capable (free) software over more capable (purchased) software - if an open-source equivalent is inferior to some closed-sourced software.
No doubt, open-source advocates would absolutely consider this kind of bias to be evil if those same countries reversed their position and said that they favored closed-source software over open-source competitors.Well, it is cheaper.
Buying 'the best' isn't usually an option.
Why? It's usually overpriced!
By going with the cheapest solution that still solves the problem, the state is looking after the interests of those it represents, at least in theory.
It's up to those who wish to charge for their software to offer enough value above and beyond the shifting target of what's freely available to justify their pricing.
Otherwise, why pay for it?
This is what they're really bitching about.
They want their renter system so they can sit there and watch the cash roll in.
The OSS crowd bitches about the big vendors because they buy law to protect their business interests, which is cheating the market.At this point, I'm considering Slashdot's interpretation of events to be unfair and biased.what do you expect?
it caters to the OSS crowd.
it would be nice if the sensationalism was cut down a bit, but it's certainly not worse than the corporate astroturfing (in the form of bough studies, infotisements, and 'trade' shows) that comes from the big vendors.
It really does amazing how overpriced software can get.
A market cannot survive on false scarcity without a police state to back it up.
It's unfortunate that we're trying for the latter instead of refusing to reward the former.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265994</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265111280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if the bug is IN your beer?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if the bug is IN your beer ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if the bug is IN your beer?
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31275028</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1267125180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.</i> </p><p>
Like the housing market!</p><p>
KA-BOOM!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces , for a short time , the long arm of political meddling .
Like the housing market !
KA-BOOM !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.
Like the housing market!
KA-BOOM!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265814</id>
	<title>301?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265110380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>does the 301 in 'Special 301 watchlist' have anything to do with non-profit incorporation... ???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>does the 301 in 'Special 301 watchlist ' have anything to do with non-profit incorporation.. .
? ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>does the 301 in 'Special 301 watchlist' have anything to do with non-profit incorporation...
???</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266896</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Taikutusu</author>
	<datestamp>1265116800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ending is better than mending, ending is better than mending, ending is better than mending...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ending is better than mending , ending is better than mending , ending is better than mending.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ending is better than mending, ending is better than mending, ending is better than mending...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264626</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265810</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265110320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But what if I already have an eye patch from being a <em>real</em> pirate?<br>I would be blind, you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But what if I already have an eye patch from being a real pirate ? I would be blind , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what if I already have an eye patch from being a real pirate?I would be blind, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264544</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264628</id>
	<title>True In a Way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Using open source deprives closed source vendors of potential revenue, which is the same argument used against pirates.  I'm sure the US doesn't care if these countries are not buying our software because they are pirating it, or using open source alternatives; the US wants to take the same approach to all countries who are not paying for commercial American software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using open source deprives closed source vendors of potential revenue , which is the same argument used against pirates .
I 'm sure the US does n't care if these countries are not buying our software because they are pirating it , or using open source alternatives ; the US wants to take the same approach to all countries who are not paying for commercial American software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using open source deprives closed source vendors of potential revenue, which is the same argument used against pirates.
I'm sure the US doesn't care if these countries are not buying our software because they are pirating it, or using open source alternatives; the US wants to take the same approach to all countries who are not paying for commercial American software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265550</id>
	<title>Translation: Freedom is the Enemy</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1265109360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish i could open source some of these people's skulls with an axe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish i could open source some of these people 's skulls with an axe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish i could open source some of these people's skulls with an axe.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266656</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous Cowpat</author>
	<datestamp>1265115240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>possibly as a result of too much beer, ironically.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>possibly as a result of too much beer , ironically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>possibly as a result of too much beer, ironically.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267186</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>virtualXTC</author>
	<datestamp>1265118840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While BitHive's analogy mis-represents your post, his point if valid; you need to deal with the fact that the free market will never work on the whole.  Your points play right into this as the "free market" does exist, both sides are a part of it, and therefore it strangles it self during normal economic periods.  As "explosions" are rare, the system on average fails.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While BitHive 's analogy mis-represents your post , his point if valid ; you need to deal with the fact that the free market will never work on the whole .
Your points play right into this as the " free market " does exist , both sides are a part of it , and therefore it strangles it self during normal economic periods .
As " explosions " are rare , the system on average fails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While BitHive's analogy mis-represents your post, his point if valid; you need to deal with the fact that the free market will never work on the whole.
Your points play right into this as the "free market" does exist, both sides are a part of it, and therefore it strangles it self during normal economic periods.
As "explosions" are rare, the system on average fails.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266766</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31275436</id>
	<title>Re:Corporations are Inherently Amoral</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1267126860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need to make a decision:</p><p>
<b>EITHER</b> corporations should be treated as people, meaning they have the right to influence elections, but also can be charged with crimes and imprisoned. How this would work, I'm not sure, but we should certainly also charge corporate heads with 'conspiring' with them. (That's pretty much the textbook definition of 'conspiracy'.)</p><p> <b>OR</b> corporations are just tools that society has created, and hence we can, and should, dissolve them when they are no longer serving the best interests of society. (A business license is a <b>privilege</b>, not a right.)</p><p>
The entire point of limited liability is to stop <b>fiscal</b> liability, so someone who sues a corporation can't also sue every single stockholder. In general, I think this is a good idea...people can't keep up on every action of the company they own 0.0003\% of. Often the stockholders don't even know of iffy stuff until much later. No, the loss to the stockholders should be limited to the amount of stock they have.</p><p>
However, this idea falls apart when it gets to the <b>executives</b> of a company. I'm not certain why they need any protection from liability at all.</p><p>
By all means, protect them from decisions they didn't know about, and it wasn't their job to know about, but that should already happen under existing laws. And don't let people hold them fiscally liable for debts and stuff..if a company owes me $100, I shouldn't be able to sue some employee for that, even if it's the one who denied my payment. Simple contract disputes don't count. Likewise, require anyone suing them for actions done at the company to also sue the company, so people can't just attack low-hanging fruit.</p><p>
But if someone sues a company for dumping waste, they should also be able to sue the person who made that decision at the company. If they don't know, they should be able to sue John Doe and force the company to turn over the name. If a company hurt others in any way beyond 'They owe me some money we agreed they'd give me', that should be enough.</p><p>
In reality, they can sue people at companies, actual criminal actions can 'pierce the corporate veil', but the bar is apparently pretty high, and will never happen with a civil suit without blatant criminal wrong doing.</p><p>
Half the problem here is that <b>crimes</b> by companies are often resolved by <b>civil</b> suits, thanks to our owned-by-the-corporations government that does not bother to enforce the law against corporations. If actual criminal enforcement happened against companies, they'd be charging the people who made the decision to commit the crime, too. But our only hope of justice currently is <b>lawsuits</b>, and suing someone in a corporation for their actions is damn hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to make a decision : EITHER corporations should be treated as people , meaning they have the right to influence elections , but also can be charged with crimes and imprisoned .
How this would work , I 'm not sure , but we should certainly also charge corporate heads with 'conspiring ' with them .
( That 's pretty much the textbook definition of 'conspiracy' .
) OR corporations are just tools that society has created , and hence we can , and should , dissolve them when they are no longer serving the best interests of society .
( A business license is a privilege , not a right .
) The entire point of limited liability is to stop fiscal liability , so someone who sues a corporation ca n't also sue every single stockholder .
In general , I think this is a good idea...people ca n't keep up on every action of the company they own 0.0003 \ % of .
Often the stockholders do n't even know of iffy stuff until much later .
No , the loss to the stockholders should be limited to the amount of stock they have .
However , this idea falls apart when it gets to the executives of a company .
I 'm not certain why they need any protection from liability at all .
By all means , protect them from decisions they did n't know about , and it was n't their job to know about , but that should already happen under existing laws .
And do n't let people hold them fiscally liable for debts and stuff..if a company owes me $ 100 , I should n't be able to sue some employee for that , even if it 's the one who denied my payment .
Simple contract disputes do n't count .
Likewise , require anyone suing them for actions done at the company to also sue the company , so people ca n't just attack low-hanging fruit .
But if someone sues a company for dumping waste , they should also be able to sue the person who made that decision at the company .
If they do n't know , they should be able to sue John Doe and force the company to turn over the name .
If a company hurt others in any way beyond 'They owe me some money we agreed they 'd give me ' , that should be enough .
In reality , they can sue people at companies , actual criminal actions can 'pierce the corporate veil ' , but the bar is apparently pretty high , and will never happen with a civil suit without blatant criminal wrong doing .
Half the problem here is that crimes by companies are often resolved by civil suits , thanks to our owned-by-the-corporations government that does not bother to enforce the law against corporations .
If actual criminal enforcement happened against companies , they 'd be charging the people who made the decision to commit the crime , too .
But our only hope of justice currently is lawsuits , and suing someone in a corporation for their actions is damn hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to make a decision:
EITHER corporations should be treated as people, meaning they have the right to influence elections, but also can be charged with crimes and imprisoned.
How this would work, I'm not sure, but we should certainly also charge corporate heads with 'conspiring' with them.
(That's pretty much the textbook definition of 'conspiracy'.
) OR corporations are just tools that society has created, and hence we can, and should, dissolve them when they are no longer serving the best interests of society.
(A business license is a privilege, not a right.
)
The entire point of limited liability is to stop fiscal liability, so someone who sues a corporation can't also sue every single stockholder.
In general, I think this is a good idea...people can't keep up on every action of the company they own 0.0003\% of.
Often the stockholders don't even know of iffy stuff until much later.
No, the loss to the stockholders should be limited to the amount of stock they have.
However, this idea falls apart when it gets to the executives of a company.
I'm not certain why they need any protection from liability at all.
By all means, protect them from decisions they didn't know about, and it wasn't their job to know about, but that should already happen under existing laws.
And don't let people hold them fiscally liable for debts and stuff..if a company owes me $100, I shouldn't be able to sue some employee for that, even if it's the one who denied my payment.
Simple contract disputes don't count.
Likewise, require anyone suing them for actions done at the company to also sue the company, so people can't just attack low-hanging fruit.
But if someone sues a company for dumping waste, they should also be able to sue the person who made that decision at the company.
If they don't know, they should be able to sue John Doe and force the company to turn over the name.
If a company hurt others in any way beyond 'They owe me some money we agreed they'd give me', that should be enough.
In reality, they can sue people at companies, actual criminal actions can 'pierce the corporate veil', but the bar is apparently pretty high, and will never happen with a civil suit without blatant criminal wrong doing.
Half the problem here is that crimes by companies are often resolved by civil suits, thanks to our owned-by-the-corporations government that does not bother to enforce the law against corporations.
If actual criminal enforcement happened against companies, they'd be charging the people who made the decision to commit the crime, too.
But our only hope of justice currently is lawsuits, and suing someone in a corporation for their actions is damn hard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264624</id>
	<title>Hahahahaha</title>
	<author>RobVB</author>
	<datestamp>1265105580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hahahaha hahaha haha hahaa ha ha</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>:'(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hahahaha hahaha haha hahaa ha ha ... : ' (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hahahaha hahaha haha hahaa ha ha ... :'(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268120</id>
	<title>Well then...</title>
	<author>afxgrin</author>
	<datestamp>1265127420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make sure you wear a shirt like <a href="http://ubunturoot.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/che-stallman-tshirt-show.jpg" title="wordpress.com">this</a> [wordpress.com] just to show your Capitalist devotion to Communism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure you wear a shirt like this [ wordpress.com ] just to show your Capitalist devotion to Communism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure you wear a shirt like this [wordpress.com] just to show your Capitalist devotion to Communism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265104</id>
	<title>Re:what a bunch of idiots</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1265107620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.</p></div><p>I don't know either<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but I'm betting the sky isn't blue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.I do n't know either ... but I 'm betting the sky is n't blue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.I don't know either ... but I'm betting the sky isn't blue.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270806</id>
	<title>Re:Hide your source code ...</title>
	<author>chthon</author>
	<datestamp>1267104480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You won't mind me ruminate through your belongings then ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You wo n't mind me ruminate through your belongings then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You won't mind me ruminate through your belongings then ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264780</id>
	<title>Government Action = Business method</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it is pretty clear now that government action is simply a method of doing business. If you are a large enough business, you (indirectly) pay government representatives to take actions that protect your interests and hinder the interests of your competitors. The government simply exists as a way for politicians to make money and for huge corporations to "compete" when they can't (or choose not to) compete in the more widely accepted ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is pretty clear now that government action is simply a method of doing business .
If you are a large enough business , you ( indirectly ) pay government representatives to take actions that protect your interests and hinder the interests of your competitors .
The government simply exists as a way for politicians to make money and for huge corporations to " compete " when they ca n't ( or choose not to ) compete in the more widely accepted ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is pretty clear now that government action is simply a method of doing business.
If you are a large enough business, you (indirectly) pay government representatives to take actions that protect your interests and hinder the interests of your competitors.
The government simply exists as a way for politicians to make money and for huge corporations to "compete" when they can't (or choose not to) compete in the more widely accepted ways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265174</id>
	<title>Re:now they fight FOSS</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1265107860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like something screwy happened and turned all your number values into their ASCII characters.</p><p>I really doubt you're only the 78th person to have said that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like something screwy happened and turned all your number values into their ASCII characters.I really doubt you 're only the 78th person to have said that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like something screwy happened and turned all your number values into their ASCII characters.I really doubt you're only the 78th person to have said that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264684</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265128</id>
	<title>Re:"IP" != capitalism</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1265107680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'important' people in the US stopped caring about capitalism a long time ago. See, in capitalism, they would lose money if they fucked up. Fox et.al is too happy to go on with this new "corporatism", in which somebody gets a big powerful corporation and are tithed to, and people get awful militant (literally) if you suggest that maybe that's not the best thing in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'important ' people in the US stopped caring about capitalism a long time ago .
See , in capitalism , they would lose money if they fucked up .
Fox et.al is too happy to go on with this new " corporatism " , in which somebody gets a big powerful corporation and are tithed to , and people get awful militant ( literally ) if you suggest that maybe that 's not the best thing in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'important' people in the US stopped caring about capitalism a long time ago.
See, in capitalism, they would lose money if they fucked up.
Fox et.al is too happy to go on with this new "corporatism", in which somebody gets a big powerful corporation and are tithed to, and people get awful militant (literally) if you suggest that maybe that's not the best thing in the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264572</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266452</id>
	<title>Corporations are Inherently Amoral</title>
	<author>Phrogman</author>
	<datestamp>1265113740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By their nature - a focus on increasing profits at all costs - the corporation is inherently amoral. Oh, they may choose to act in a moral or responsible manner for sure, but there is nothing inherent in the concept of a corporation that actually encourages that attitude.<br>If a company discovers its product is a health hazard, its in their best interest to cover it up, try to fix the problem as quietly and quickly as possible - and carry on, all the while hoping no one notices or sues them. Anything else will reduce sales, open them up to lawsuits and consequent penalties, and decrease profits.<br>As I see it (and IANAL), the chief problem is that we allow corporations to act as individuals. If the presidents &amp; officers of corporations were personally (and financiallly) liable for the actions of a corporation, then we might get less objectionable actions from companies and more responsibilities. OTOH who would want to be a corporate head?<br>Currently a corporation has *more* rights than a private individual, and less liability in many ways (they can be fined etc, but don't go to jail).<br>I don't support Communism, it hasn't worked, but that fact doesn't mean that its opposite, Capitalism, is inherently perfect either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By their nature - a focus on increasing profits at all costs - the corporation is inherently amoral .
Oh , they may choose to act in a moral or responsible manner for sure , but there is nothing inherent in the concept of a corporation that actually encourages that attitude.If a company discovers its product is a health hazard , its in their best interest to cover it up , try to fix the problem as quietly and quickly as possible - and carry on , all the while hoping no one notices or sues them .
Anything else will reduce sales , open them up to lawsuits and consequent penalties , and decrease profits.As I see it ( and IANAL ) , the chief problem is that we allow corporations to act as individuals .
If the presidents &amp; officers of corporations were personally ( and financiallly ) liable for the actions of a corporation , then we might get less objectionable actions from companies and more responsibilities .
OTOH who would want to be a corporate head ? Currently a corporation has * more * rights than a private individual , and less liability in many ways ( they can be fined etc , but do n't go to jail ) .I do n't support Communism , it has n't worked , but that fact does n't mean that its opposite , Capitalism , is inherently perfect either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By their nature - a focus on increasing profits at all costs - the corporation is inherently amoral.
Oh, they may choose to act in a moral or responsible manner for sure, but there is nothing inherent in the concept of a corporation that actually encourages that attitude.If a company discovers its product is a health hazard, its in their best interest to cover it up, try to fix the problem as quietly and quickly as possible - and carry on, all the while hoping no one notices or sues them.
Anything else will reduce sales, open them up to lawsuits and consequent penalties, and decrease profits.As I see it (and IANAL), the chief problem is that we allow corporations to act as individuals.
If the presidents &amp; officers of corporations were personally (and financiallly) liable for the actions of a corporation, then we might get less objectionable actions from companies and more responsibilities.
OTOH who would want to be a corporate head?Currently a corporation has *more* rights than a private individual, and less liability in many ways (they can be fined etc, but don't go to jail).I don't support Communism, it hasn't worked, but that fact doesn't mean that its opposite, Capitalism, is inherently perfect either.</sentencetext>
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	<title>As usual, the headline is flawed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few notes:</p><ul><li>What does a pretty traveler on the beach have to do with the story? Is it supposed to entice viewers to read it?</li><li>The main article is Slashdotted, so here's Google's text-only cached version: <a href="http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:rxG-DWDM91kJ:www.technollama.co.uk/encouraging-open-source-could-land-you-in-trouble+http://www.technollama.co.uk/encouraging-open-source-could-land-you-in-trouble&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=us&amp;strip=1" title="74.125.93.132">link</a> [74.125.93.132]</li></ul><p>On the article, the main qualm for the author of the main article seems to be with Indonesia's inclusion into the Special 301 list. For those that didn't read the article but don't know what that list is, the Special 301 list monitors countries that are known for infringing IP rights on a wide-scale (or at least that's the jist I got from reading the articles).</p><p>If one reads at least the Executive Summary for Indonesia's report, it is made pretty clear that the analyzed paragraph is <b>not</b> the reason why Indonesia was included on that list. Their issues are, like many second- and third-world countries, much more far-reaching that.</p><p>Firstly, it is important to recognize that <b>these are not governmental mandates.</b> These are <b>requests</b>. While there is some legitimacy in claiming that the exclusive use of (free and) open-source software imbalances the playing field for companies looking to make a profit, it is very weak. Nobody complained when Germany or France switched over to OpenDocument format and Linux on government desktops, even though that both of those actions, according to the IIPA, would be guilty of the same thing. It should be a government's decision to determine whether they want to adopt a purely free and open-source computing environment; in fact, it is actually a pretty good decision for them since it would help them deter privacy at-home (which is ultimately what these folks want) while saving them massive dollars. I highly doubt that this will be followed through; too many questions would be raised.</p><p>Secondly, one the <b>real</b> reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report. They are reported as ranking in the world's top 12 countries for <b>business software</b> piracy. That more than likely means they get lots and lots of copies of Office from TPB or wherever. I'm not against piracy, but that would definitely be a legitimate cause for landing up on that list. They are also reported to have lots of other issues with illegal copying/selling/et al.</p><p>I am not against piracy (at least on a personal level), but I <i>am</i> against sensational journalism that only blows up a few pixels out of the bigger picture instead of looking at the whole image. This is hardly an attack on open-source; it's just a "thing they noticed."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few notes : What does a pretty traveler on the beach have to do with the story ?
Is it supposed to entice viewers to read it ? The main article is Slashdotted , so here 's Google 's text-only cached version : link [ 74.125.93.132 ] On the article , the main qualm for the author of the main article seems to be with Indonesia 's inclusion into the Special 301 list .
For those that did n't read the article but do n't know what that list is , the Special 301 list monitors countries that are known for infringing IP rights on a wide-scale ( or at least that 's the jist I got from reading the articles ) .If one reads at least the Executive Summary for Indonesia 's report , it is made pretty clear that the analyzed paragraph is not the reason why Indonesia was included on that list .
Their issues are , like many second- and third-world countries , much more far-reaching that.Firstly , it is important to recognize that these are not governmental mandates .
These are requests .
While there is some legitimacy in claiming that the exclusive use of ( free and ) open-source software imbalances the playing field for companies looking to make a profit , it is very weak .
Nobody complained when Germany or France switched over to OpenDocument format and Linux on government desktops , even though that both of those actions , according to the IIPA , would be guilty of the same thing .
It should be a government 's decision to determine whether they want to adopt a purely free and open-source computing environment ; in fact , it is actually a pretty good decision for them since it would help them deter privacy at-home ( which is ultimately what these folks want ) while saving them massive dollars .
I highly doubt that this will be followed through ; too many questions would be raised.Secondly , one the real reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report .
They are reported as ranking in the world 's top 12 countries for business software piracy .
That more than likely means they get lots and lots of copies of Office from TPB or wherever .
I 'm not against piracy , but that would definitely be a legitimate cause for landing up on that list .
They are also reported to have lots of other issues with illegal copying/selling/et al.I am not against piracy ( at least on a personal level ) , but I am against sensational journalism that only blows up a few pixels out of the bigger picture instead of looking at the whole image .
This is hardly an attack on open-source ; it 's just a " thing they noticed .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few notes:What does a pretty traveler on the beach have to do with the story?
Is it supposed to entice viewers to read it?The main article is Slashdotted, so here's Google's text-only cached version: link [74.125.93.132]On the article, the main qualm for the author of the main article seems to be with Indonesia's inclusion into the Special 301 list.
For those that didn't read the article but don't know what that list is, the Special 301 list monitors countries that are known for infringing IP rights on a wide-scale (or at least that's the jist I got from reading the articles).If one reads at least the Executive Summary for Indonesia's report, it is made pretty clear that the analyzed paragraph is not the reason why Indonesia was included on that list.
Their issues are, like many second- and third-world countries, much more far-reaching that.Firstly, it is important to recognize that these are not governmental mandates.
These are requests.
While there is some legitimacy in claiming that the exclusive use of (free and) open-source software imbalances the playing field for companies looking to make a profit, it is very weak.
Nobody complained when Germany or France switched over to OpenDocument format and Linux on government desktops, even though that both of those actions, according to the IIPA, would be guilty of the same thing.
It should be a government's decision to determine whether they want to adopt a purely free and open-source computing environment; in fact, it is actually a pretty good decision for them since it would help them deter privacy at-home (which is ultimately what these folks want) while saving them massive dollars.
I highly doubt that this will be followed through; too many questions would be raised.Secondly, one the real reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report.
They are reported as ranking in the world's top 12 countries for business software piracy.
That more than likely means they get lots and lots of copies of Office from TPB or wherever.
I'm not against piracy, but that would definitely be a legitimate cause for landing up on that list.
They are also reported to have lots of other issues with illegal copying/selling/et al.I am not against piracy (at least on a personal level), but I am against sensational journalism that only blows up a few pixels out of the bigger picture instead of looking at the whole image.
This is hardly an attack on open-source; it's just a "thing they noticed.
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	<title>It's a government organization</title>
	<author>JumpDrive</author>
	<datestamp>1265106720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>With Intellectual in the title.  That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Intellectual in the title .
That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Intellectual in the title.
That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"IP" != capitalism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265108520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Free Markets != Capitalism.</p><p>The creation of forced monopolies is a feature of <i>authoritarian capitalism</i>, which in turn is contrary to free market capitalism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free Markets ! = Capitalism.The creation of forced monopolies is a feature of authoritarian capitalism , which in turn is contrary to free market capitalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free Markets != Capitalism.The creation of forced monopolies is a feature of authoritarian capitalism, which in turn is contrary to free market capitalism.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267702</id>
	<title>Re:Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The 301st is America's naughty list for pirate nations, and the first item on the list of IIPA recommendations to improve the state of IP protection is that Indonesia needs to rescind it's endorsement of open source software.</p><p>Here's the text:</p><p>
&nbsp; &gt;&gt;        Priority Actions Requested in 2010: IIPA requests that the government of Indonesia take the following<br>&gt;&gt;actions, which would result in the most significant near term commercial benefits to the copyright industries:<br>&gt;&gt;Market Access and Related Issues</p><p>&gt;&gt; Rescind March 2009 MenPAN circular letter endorsing the use and adoption of open source software which<br>&gt;&gt;     threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.<br>&gt;&gt; Repeal Film Law that imposes a local film quota and strict censorship requirements on local and foreign films.<br>&gt;&gt; Immediately lift market access restrictions on the 1) requirement to locally replicate all theatrical prints and home<br>
&nbsp; &gt;&gt;    video titles released in Indonesia; 2) direct distribution of audiovisual products; and 3) ban on the broadcast of<br>&gt;&gt;     most foreign programming in Indonesia.</p><p>There is a science to presentation, built around associations and images.  The IIPA is a lobby group; they make their money convincing people to vote their way.  They are highly skilled at the science of presentation.  One of the first principles of good presentation is to lead with the point you want people to remember.  Here's how it breaks down:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The 301st is associated with Piracy.  The first thing the IIPA mentions on it's pirate report for Indonesia is to rescind endorsement of open source software.  The association thing works like this for most people.  301st = pirate.  Recommendation = how to stop pirate.  How to stop pirate, step 1.) no open source software.  Blah Blah Blah.  Open source = Pirate. Pirate= bad.  Open source = bad.</p><p>Yes, it's stupid; but think of all of the people you have had to do tech support for.  How much do they really listen, and what do they retain?  When they are buying new hardware, do they really look at it's specs, and analyze features and value vs cost; or do they go, "Ooh, this one's pretty, I'll take it?"<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 301st is America 's naughty list for pirate nations , and the first item on the list of IIPA recommendations to improve the state of IP protection is that Indonesia needs to rescind it 's endorsement of open source software.Here 's the text :   &gt; &gt; Priority Actions Requested in 2010 : IIPA requests that the government of Indonesia take the following &gt; &gt; actions , which would result in the most significant near term commercial benefits to the copyright industries : &gt; &gt; Market Access and Related Issues &gt; &gt; Rescind March 2009 MenPAN circular letter endorsing the use and adoption of open source software which &gt; &gt; threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies. &gt; &gt; Repeal Film Law that imposes a local film quota and strict censorship requirements on local and foreign films. &gt; &gt; Immediately lift market access restrictions on the 1 ) requirement to locally replicate all theatrical prints and home   &gt; &gt; video titles released in Indonesia ; 2 ) direct distribution of audiovisual products ; and 3 ) ban on the broadcast of &gt; &gt; most foreign programming in Indonesia.There is a science to presentation , built around associations and images .
The IIPA is a lobby group ; they make their money convincing people to vote their way .
They are highly skilled at the science of presentation .
One of the first principles of good presentation is to lead with the point you want people to remember .
Here 's how it breaks down :     The 301st is associated with Piracy .
The first thing the IIPA mentions on it 's pirate report for Indonesia is to rescind endorsement of open source software .
The association thing works like this for most people .
301st = pirate .
Recommendation = how to stop pirate .
How to stop pirate , step 1 .
) no open source software .
Blah Blah Blah .
Open source = Pirate .
Pirate = bad .
Open source = bad.Yes , it 's stupid ; but think of all of the people you have had to do tech support for .
How much do they really listen , and what do they retain ?
When they are buying new hardware , do they really look at it 's specs , and analyze features and value vs cost ; or do they go , " Ooh , this one 's pretty , I 'll take it ?
"  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 301st is America's naughty list for pirate nations, and the first item on the list of IIPA recommendations to improve the state of IP protection is that Indonesia needs to rescind it's endorsement of open source software.Here's the text:
  &gt;&gt;        Priority Actions Requested in 2010: IIPA requests that the government of Indonesia take the following&gt;&gt;actions, which would result in the most significant near term commercial benefits to the copyright industries:&gt;&gt;Market Access and Related Issues&gt;&gt; Rescind March 2009 MenPAN circular letter endorsing the use and adoption of open source software which&gt;&gt;     threatens to create additional trade barriers and deny fair and equitable market access to software companies.&gt;&gt; Repeal Film Law that imposes a local film quota and strict censorship requirements on local and foreign films.&gt;&gt; Immediately lift market access restrictions on the 1) requirement to locally replicate all theatrical prints and home
  &gt;&gt;    video titles released in Indonesia; 2) direct distribution of audiovisual products; and 3) ban on the broadcast of&gt;&gt;     most foreign programming in Indonesia.There is a science to presentation, built around associations and images.
The IIPA is a lobby group; they make their money convincing people to vote their way.
They are highly skilled at the science of presentation.
One of the first principles of good presentation is to lead with the point you want people to remember.
Here's how it breaks down:
    The 301st is associated with Piracy.
The first thing the IIPA mentions on it's pirate report for Indonesia is to rescind endorsement of open source software.
The association thing works like this for most people.
301st = pirate.
Recommendation = how to stop pirate.
How to stop pirate, step 1.
) no open source software.
Blah Blah Blah.
Open source = Pirate.
Pirate= bad.
Open source = bad.Yes, it's stupid; but think of all of the people you have had to do tech support for.
How much do they really listen, and what do they retain?
When they are buying new hardware, do they really look at it's specs, and analyze features and value vs cost; or do they go, "Ooh, this one's pretty, I'll take it?
"
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	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Fast Thick Pants</author>
	<datestamp>1265107200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/index.shtml" title="nsa.gov">SELinux</a> [nsa.gov] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistA" title="wikipedia.org">VistA</a> [wikipedia.org] occur, off the top of my head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SELinux [ nsa.gov ] and VistA [ wikipedia.org ] occur , off the top of my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SELinux [nsa.gov] and VistA [wikipedia.org] occur, off the top of my head.</sentencetext>
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	<title>You don't get it.</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1265107920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>They don't give a shit of what we think.  Months or even years from now when this issue is before some little corner of government that corner will not have heard of or even care about slashdot.  They will only care that they go through the machininations of government.  Checkbox, checkbox, action.  Go home sleep.  Did we organize enough money to get a checkbox?  No?  Fuck off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't give a shit of what we think .
Months or even years from now when this issue is before some little corner of government that corner will not have heard of or even care about slashdot .
They will only care that they go through the machininations of government .
Checkbox , checkbox , action .
Go home sleep .
Did we organize enough money to get a checkbox ?
No ? Fuck off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't give a shit of what we think.
Months or even years from now when this issue is before some little corner of government that corner will not have heard of or even care about slashdot.
They will only care that they go through the machininations of government.
Checkbox, checkbox, action.
Go home sleep.
Did we organize enough money to get a checkbox?
No?  Fuck off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267280</id>
	<title>THIS is why you comment on proposed regulations</title>
	<author>ffflala</author>
	<datestamp>1265119740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/09/2242230/Submit-Your-Comments-About-ACTA" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/09/2242230/Submit-Your-Comments-About-ACTA</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>This is exactly why comments on proposed regulations are important. The IIPA's comments have been submitted, and now *must* be considered (though of course it can be dismissed) by the regulatory body. The Section 301 review actions were exactly what that period of comment was for.</p><p>If you didn't get a comment in on the deadline, you missed your chance to present an opposing voice that also *must* be considered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/09/2242230/Submit-Your-Comments-About-ACTA [ slashdot.org ] This is exactly why comments on proposed regulations are important .
The IIPA 's comments have been submitted , and now * must * be considered ( though of course it can be dismissed ) by the regulatory body .
The Section 301 review actions were exactly what that period of comment was for.If you did n't get a comment in on the deadline , you missed your chance to present an opposing voice that also * must * be considered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/09/2242230/Submit-Your-Comments-About-ACTA [slashdot.org]This is exactly why comments on proposed regulations are important.
The IIPA's comments have been submitted, and now *must* be considered (though of course it can be dismissed) by the regulatory body.
The Section 301 review actions were exactly what that period of comment was for.If you didn't get a comment in on the deadline, you missed your chance to present an opposing voice that also *must* be considered.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Isn't the IIPA web site itself hosted on Apache?</title>
	<author>grantm</author>
	<datestamp>1265112240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It appears to me that the IIPA's own web site is hosted on the Open Source Apache web server.  It's a little hard to tell because the Server header has been customised and there may be some sort of hardware loadbalancer in front of the server.  Anyway the 404 page and the <a href="http://www.iipa.com/pdf/" title="iipa.com" rel="nofollow">directory listings</a> [iipa.com] certainly look like Apache.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It appears to me that the IIPA 's own web site is hosted on the Open Source Apache web server .
It 's a little hard to tell because the Server header has been customised and there may be some sort of hardware loadbalancer in front of the server .
Anyway the 404 page and the directory listings [ iipa.com ] certainly look like Apache .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It appears to me that the IIPA's own web site is hosted on the Open Source Apache web server.
It's a little hard to tell because the Server header has been customised and there may be some sort of hardware loadbalancer in front of the server.
Anyway the 404 page and the directory listings [iipa.com] certainly look like Apache.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:what a bunch of idiots</title>
	<author>TVmisGuided</author>
	<datestamp>1265107260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It's simple, really...they're seeing a goose that lays golden eggs, and deciding it's better to roast the goose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's simple , really...they 're seeing a goose that lays golden eggs , and deciding it 's better to roast the goose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's simple, really...they're seeing a goose that lays golden eggs, and deciding it's better to roast the goose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268332</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1265129760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Don't think for a second that we're involved in an honest debate.</p></div></blockquote><p>Right, because of all the brainwashing? You see, I don't mind the term "brainwashing" and "propaganda" being used as inflammatory synonyms for "convincing", but when you start deriving fallacious conclusions from this choice in terminology, then it starts to become, well, dishonest.</p><p>Similarly, the word "pirate", referring to copyright infringers, has been around for a long time. It carries negative connotations, but so long as people don't take this choice in terminology as an analogy with sea-faring pirates, then I can deal with it.</p><p>These publishers are as entitled to make fallacious arguments as you are, just as each of you are entitled to debunk the other. Such is the nature of a debate.</p><blockquote><div><p>They're trying to convince us all that they are, as industries, entitled to exist, and entitled to a governmental guarantee of profitability.</p></div></blockquote><p>I think you are putting words in their mouth here. From what I've heard, they've been campaigning for safeguards to their existence, but they haven't, in general, publicly discussed any reason for their safeguarding. Perhaps they are not so much trying to convince us they are entitled to these safeguards, but actually just asking for them anyway?</p><p>I would imagine that, if cornered in court, they would justify their existence by pointing out exactly how much demand there is for their products, and how little demand is reflected through sales, despite their best efforts in marketing. In a capitalist society, demand for your particular product, and a reasonable attempt to capitalise on that demand, entitles you to existence. That doesn't mean everybody gets it, but when there is demand, and no amount of finesse in business will capitalise on that demand, you have a hole in your market system. There is a product in demand, that can be created, but that can't be delivered. It would be unreasonable <i>not</i> to consider governmental measures to improve profitability.</p><p>Of course, this doesn't apply here. FOSS doesn't at all widen the discrepancy between demand and marketability of other products. It competes with them on level terms, and contributes to the supply of in demand products, rather than hinders it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't think for a second that we 're involved in an honest debate.Right , because of all the brainwashing ?
You see , I do n't mind the term " brainwashing " and " propaganda " being used as inflammatory synonyms for " convincing " , but when you start deriving fallacious conclusions from this choice in terminology , then it starts to become , well , dishonest.Similarly , the word " pirate " , referring to copyright infringers , has been around for a long time .
It carries negative connotations , but so long as people do n't take this choice in terminology as an analogy with sea-faring pirates , then I can deal with it.These publishers are as entitled to make fallacious arguments as you are , just as each of you are entitled to debunk the other .
Such is the nature of a debate.They 're trying to convince us all that they are , as industries , entitled to exist , and entitled to a governmental guarantee of profitability.I think you are putting words in their mouth here .
From what I 've heard , they 've been campaigning for safeguards to their existence , but they have n't , in general , publicly discussed any reason for their safeguarding .
Perhaps they are not so much trying to convince us they are entitled to these safeguards , but actually just asking for them anyway ? I would imagine that , if cornered in court , they would justify their existence by pointing out exactly how much demand there is for their products , and how little demand is reflected through sales , despite their best efforts in marketing .
In a capitalist society , demand for your particular product , and a reasonable attempt to capitalise on that demand , entitles you to existence .
That does n't mean everybody gets it , but when there is demand , and no amount of finesse in business will capitalise on that demand , you have a hole in your market system .
There is a product in demand , that can be created , but that ca n't be delivered .
It would be unreasonable not to consider governmental measures to improve profitability.Of course , this does n't apply here .
FOSS does n't at all widen the discrepancy between demand and marketability of other products .
It competes with them on level terms , and contributes to the supply of in demand products , rather than hinders it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't think for a second that we're involved in an honest debate.Right, because of all the brainwashing?
You see, I don't mind the term "brainwashing" and "propaganda" being used as inflammatory synonyms for "convincing", but when you start deriving fallacious conclusions from this choice in terminology, then it starts to become, well, dishonest.Similarly, the word "pirate", referring to copyright infringers, has been around for a long time.
It carries negative connotations, but so long as people don't take this choice in terminology as an analogy with sea-faring pirates, then I can deal with it.These publishers are as entitled to make fallacious arguments as you are, just as each of you are entitled to debunk the other.
Such is the nature of a debate.They're trying to convince us all that they are, as industries, entitled to exist, and entitled to a governmental guarantee of profitability.I think you are putting words in their mouth here.
From what I've heard, they've been campaigning for safeguards to their existence, but they haven't, in general, publicly discussed any reason for their safeguarding.
Perhaps they are not so much trying to convince us they are entitled to these safeguards, but actually just asking for them anyway?I would imagine that, if cornered in court, they would justify their existence by pointing out exactly how much demand there is for their products, and how little demand is reflected through sales, despite their best efforts in marketing.
In a capitalist society, demand for your particular product, and a reasonable attempt to capitalise on that demand, entitles you to existence.
That doesn't mean everybody gets it, but when there is demand, and no amount of finesse in business will capitalise on that demand, you have a hole in your market system.
There is a product in demand, that can be created, but that can't be delivered.
It would be unreasonable not to consider governmental measures to improve profitability.Of course, this doesn't apply here.
FOSS doesn't at all widen the discrepancy between demand and marketability of other products.
It competes with them on level terms, and contributes to the supply of in demand products, rather than hinders it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265704</id>
	<title>hmmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265110020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone has had too much time on their hands and the funding they need to attempt to pursue their own evil and misguided fantasies.</p><p>If I say that you can look at and/or download the source code of my software and you do that, there is absolutely nothing at all illegal, hurtful, incorrect or damaging about that.</p><p>Either these idiots need to find morality or just actually first try to understand the things they champion against.<br>There are far too many people and business' involved in open source software for this kind of group of lunatics to be able to sway any kind of popular opinion.</p><p>The group needs to be publicly confronted, humiliated and disbanded.<br>They will have a pretty hard time convincing a<br>judge that they have any kind of argument.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone has had too much time on their hands and the funding they need to attempt to pursue their own evil and misguided fantasies.If I say that you can look at and/or download the source code of my software and you do that , there is absolutely nothing at all illegal , hurtful , incorrect or damaging about that.Either these idiots need to find morality or just actually first try to understand the things they champion against.There are far too many people and business ' involved in open source software for this kind of group of lunatics to be able to sway any kind of popular opinion.The group needs to be publicly confronted , humiliated and disbanded.They will have a pretty hard time convincing ajudge that they have any kind of argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone has had too much time on their hands and the funding they need to attempt to pursue their own evil and misguided fantasies.If I say that you can look at and/or download the source code of my software and you do that, there is absolutely nothing at all illegal, hurtful, incorrect or damaging about that.Either these idiots need to find morality or just actually first try to understand the things they champion against.There are far too many people and business' involved in open source software for this kind of group of lunatics to be able to sway any kind of popular opinion.The group needs to be publicly confronted, humiliated and disbanded.They will have a pretty hard time convincing ajudge that they have any kind of argument.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31298604</id>
	<title>Re:Pirates are communists?</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1267300920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought pirates shuttled old men and their boy toys to Alderaan?</p></div><p>Dude, Solo was a Smuggler.  A Smuggler!  Never a pirate!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought pirates shuttled old men and their boy toys to Alderaan ? Dude , Solo was a Smuggler .
A Smuggler !
Never a pirate !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought pirates shuttled old men and their boy toys to Alderaan?Dude, Solo was a Smuggler.
A Smuggler!
Never a pirate!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265294</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>mandelbr0t</author>
	<datestamp>1265108280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>what happens if you write/contribute to open source?</p></div><p>As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist.</p></div><p>Or an anarchist</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what happens if you write/contribute to open source ? As everyone else is pointing out , that makes you a Communist.Or an anarchist</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what happens if you write/contribute to open source?As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist.Or an anarchist
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31280778</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267111260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I came here via Google seeing this comment hoping that Linus was giving away eye patches.<br>Way to let my dreams up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I came here via Google seeing this comment hoping that Linus was giving away eye patches.Way to let my dreams up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I came here via Google seeing this comment hoping that Linus was giving away eye patches.Way to let my dreams up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31298714</id>
	<title>Re:I thought open source was communism?</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1267301400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OS = piracy? I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid...</p></div><p>They're both pretty appropriate.  Now we can be commie pirates!  The most fearsome scourge the world has ever seen!  "Arrrrrrrrgh, comrades!  Up with the jolly roger and down with the bourgeoisie!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OS = piracy ?
I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid...They 're both pretty appropriate .
Now we can be commie pirates !
The most fearsome scourge the world has ever seen !
" Arrrrrrrrgh , comrades !
Up with the jolly roger and down with the bourgeoisie !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OS = piracy?
I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid...They're both pretty appropriate.
Now we can be commie pirates!
The most fearsome scourge the world has ever seen!
"Arrrrrrrrgh, comrades!
Up with the jolly roger and down with the bourgeoisie!
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267178</id>
	<title>Re:As usual, the headline is flawed.</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1265118780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read the report.  The bit about them being at the top of piracy lists came first.  The bit about endorsing open source software came as part of the market issues, which the IIPA said were "worse" than the piracy issues (in the executive summary).  These are lumped together with laws threatening theaters and requiring that films shown in Indonesia be manufactured there.</p><p>Other issues cited are the availability of circumvention tools against access control, and the lack of third-party liability, etc.  However, one cannot read the report and conclude that the piracy is considered the worst issue.  Instead the market issues, INCLUDING the recommendation of FOSS within government are portrayed as worse than the issues of copyright infringemnet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the report .
The bit about them being at the top of piracy lists came first .
The bit about endorsing open source software came as part of the market issues , which the IIPA said were " worse " than the piracy issues ( in the executive summary ) .
These are lumped together with laws threatening theaters and requiring that films shown in Indonesia be manufactured there.Other issues cited are the availability of circumvention tools against access control , and the lack of third-party liability , etc .
However , one can not read the report and conclude that the piracy is considered the worst issue .
Instead the market issues , INCLUDING the recommendation of FOSS within government are portrayed as worse than the issues of copyright infringemnet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the report.
The bit about them being at the top of piracy lists came first.
The bit about endorsing open source software came as part of the market issues, which the IIPA said were "worse" than the piracy issues (in the executive summary).
These are lumped together with laws threatening theaters and requiring that films shown in Indonesia be manufactured there.Other issues cited are the availability of circumvention tools against access control, and the lack of third-party liability, etc.
However, one cannot read the report and conclude that the piracy is considered the worst issue.
Instead the market issues, INCLUDING the recommendation of FOSS within government are portrayed as worse than the issues of copyright infringemnet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267734</id>
	<title>Lol</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the U.S. tries to get more Nazi laws passed... Can't say I'm surprised. Viacom has swat teams patrolling the streets to mace children and take away unofficial products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the U.S. tries to get more Nazi laws passed... Ca n't say I 'm surprised .
Viacom has swat teams patrolling the streets to mace children and take away unofficial products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the U.S. tries to get more Nazi laws passed... Can't say I'm surprised.
Viacom has swat teams patrolling the streets to mace children and take away unofficial products.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266610</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>rugatero</author>
	<datestamp>1265114880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even better, ServerSpy reveals that the <a href="http://www.iipa.com/" title="iipa.com">IIPA website</a> [iipa.com] is hosted by ConcentricHosts, who at least at one stage ran <a href="http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article\_id=4477" title="omnipotent.net">Linux servers.</a> [omnipotent.net]  Maybe they still do, but unfortunately the only reference I could find is ancient and a lot could have changed in 11 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even better , ServerSpy reveals that the IIPA website [ iipa.com ] is hosted by ConcentricHosts , who at least at one stage ran Linux servers .
[ omnipotent.net ] Maybe they still do , but unfortunately the only reference I could find is ancient and a lot could have changed in 11 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even better, ServerSpy reveals that the IIPA website [iipa.com] is hosted by ConcentricHosts, who at least at one stage ran Linux servers.
[omnipotent.net]  Maybe they still do, but unfortunately the only reference I could find is ancient and a lot could have changed in 11 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270068</id>
	<title>Childish Mentality...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267095360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The mentality behind these types of decision is childish at best...  Open-source, Freeware, Public Domain has been around for many MANY years and is kindly donated by the authors and users who create such programs, photos, music, texts and pretty much anything else they want to showcase to the world as their work...  It's taking pride in one's own masterpiece which a lot of companies dont seem to have because the almighty buck speaks louder than pride...  Nuff said!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mentality behind these types of decision is childish at best... Open-source , Freeware , Public Domain has been around for many MANY years and is kindly donated by the authors and users who create such programs , photos , music , texts and pretty much anything else they want to showcase to the world as their work... It 's taking pride in one 's own masterpiece which a lot of companies dont seem to have because the almighty buck speaks louder than pride... Nuff said !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mentality behind these types of decision is childish at best...  Open-source, Freeware, Public Domain has been around for many MANY years and is kindly donated by the authors and users who create such programs, photos, music, texts and pretty much anything else they want to showcase to the world as their work...  It's taking pride in one's own masterpiece which a lot of companies dont seem to have because the almighty buck speaks louder than pride...  Nuff said!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265634</id>
	<title>Flawless logic.</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1265109720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not flawed logic.</p><p>It's flawed <em>English</em>, both semantically and syntactically ("does not give due consideration to the value <em>to</em> intellectual creations.")</p><p>The logic is faultless. What these vendors of proprietary software are saying is that open source competition will reduce the value the market assigns to their products.</p><p>The question is whether you share the unspoken assumptions: that this is a <em>bad</em> thing, and that the government should do something about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not flawed logic.It 's flawed English , both semantically and syntactically ( " does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations .
" ) The logic is faultless .
What these vendors of proprietary software are saying is that open source competition will reduce the value the market assigns to their products.The question is whether you share the unspoken assumptions : that this is a bad thing , and that the government should do something about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not flawed logic.It's flawed English, both semantically and syntactically ("does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.
")The logic is faultless.
What these vendors of proprietary software are saying is that open source competition will reduce the value the market assigns to their products.The question is whether you share the unspoken assumptions: that this is a bad thing, and that the government should do something about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266802</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>eis2718bob</author>
	<datestamp>1265116200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're already working on shutting down the thrift shops. Last year the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer\_Product\_Safety\_Improvement\_Act" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act</a> [wikipedia.org] came on line.  Though it's not being strictly enforced yet, the law puts strict liability on resellers for "dangerous" products, requiring testing for lead and phthalates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're already working on shutting down the thrift shops .
Last year the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act [ wikipedia.org ] came on line .
Though it 's not being strictly enforced yet , the law puts strict liability on resellers for " dangerous " products , requiring testing for lead and phthalates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're already working on shutting down the thrift shops.
Last year the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act [wikipedia.org] came on line.
Though it's not being strictly enforced yet, the law puts strict liability on resellers for "dangerous" products, requiring testing for lead and phthalates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267882</id>
	<title>Re:now they fight FOSS</title>
	<author>O('\_')O\_Bush</author>
	<datestamp>1265125320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"99 times out of 100 you will NOT win. It's not a rule that works in general"<br><br>Is that just your opinion or do you have strong, irrefutable supporting evidence of that claim in the form of historical events?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" 99 times out of 100 you will NOT win .
It 's not a rule that works in general " Is that just your opinion or do you have strong , irrefutable supporting evidence of that claim in the form of historical events ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"99 times out of 100 you will NOT win.
It's not a rule that works in general"Is that just your opinion or do you have strong, irrefutable supporting evidence of that claim in the form of historical events?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270766</id>
	<title>Re:whatever</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1267104120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The misspellings are traditional. It's like posts correcting spelling mistakes in previous posts have to include a mistake of their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The misspellings are traditional .
It 's like posts correcting spelling mistakes in previous posts have to include a mistake of their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The misspellings are traditional.
It's like posts correcting spelling mistakes in previous posts have to include a mistake of their own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265748</id>
	<title>Several thoughts</title>
	<author>AthleteMusicianNerd</author>
	<datestamp>1265110200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>- Open source software generally doesn't work very well, so who would even want it?
- Someone gave their software away per the agreement so even if the law were in effect, it would be immaterial.  They'd have to file the case for anyone to be charged of anything, why would they do that?
- The US government is an enemy of capitalism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>- Open source software generally does n't work very well , so who would even want it ?
- Someone gave their software away per the agreement so even if the law were in effect , it would be immaterial .
They 'd have to file the case for anyone to be charged of anything , why would they do that ?
- The US government is an enemy of capitalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- Open source software generally doesn't work very well, so who would even want it?
- Someone gave their software away per the agreement so even if the law were in effect, it would be immaterial.
They'd have to file the case for anyone to be charged of anything, why would they do that?
- The US government is an enemy of capitalism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264858</id>
	<title>Re:I thought open source was communism?</title>
	<author>Dog-Cow</author>
	<datestamp>1265106540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you think the concept of IP is, except protectionism?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you think the concept of IP is , except protectionism ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you think the concept of IP is, except protectionism?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266082</id>
	<title>why not show them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265111820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A hockey stick graph, then they'll be like: "Hey we gotta save the foss (note they will pronounce it kile floss without the L).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A hockey stick graph , then they 'll be like : " Hey we got ta save the foss ( note they will pronounce it kile floss without the L ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A hockey stick graph, then they'll be like: "Hey we gotta save the foss (note they will pronounce it kile floss without the L).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268350</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265130060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.</p></div><p>Nah, that already happened, the clothing manufacturers simply took their new cloths and beat the shit out of them. But since it still has the brand name you can buy them for top dollar in your local fashion store. Usually in worse condition than what Goodwill carries in stock.</p><p>The thing about this lobby group that pisses me off, is that if you apply their logic to the Internet then the entire system of open Internet Standards and RFC's is also piracy. Because, you know, preferential consideration is given to open source standards and closed proprietary standards are not considered.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes , clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.Nah , that already happened , the clothing manufacturers simply took their new cloths and beat the shit out of them .
But since it still has the brand name you can buy them for top dollar in your local fashion store .
Usually in worse condition than what Goodwill carries in stock.The thing about this lobby group that pisses me off , is that if you apply their logic to the Internet then the entire system of open Internet Standards and RFC 's is also piracy .
Because , you know , preferential consideration is given to open source standards and closed proprietary standards are not considered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.Nah, that already happened, the clothing manufacturers simply took their new cloths and beat the shit out of them.
But since it still has the brand name you can buy them for top dollar in your local fashion store.
Usually in worse condition than what Goodwill carries in stock.The thing about this lobby group that pisses me off, is that if you apply their logic to the Internet then the entire system of open Internet Standards and RFC's is also piracy.
Because, you know, preferential consideration is given to open source standards and closed proprietary standards are not considered.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268476</id>
	<title>Acta</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>could we find a comment like this in the ACTA treaty???  treating countries as inferior because they advocate open-source software?? treating people who develop and/or release it as criminals because that very action goes against ?IP????</htmltext>
<tokenext>could we find a comment like this in the ACTA treaty ? ? ?
treating countries as inferior because they advocate open-source software ? ?
treating people who develop and/or release it as criminals because that very action goes against ? IP ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>could we find a comment like this in the ACTA treaty???
treating countries as inferior because they advocate open-source software??
treating people who develop and/or release it as criminals because that very action goes against ?IP???
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266410</id>
	<title>Re:Pirates are communists?</title>
	<author>Minwee</author>
	<datestamp>1265113500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But now you are saying we are like Che Guevara?</p></div></blockquote><p>What, you mean you make T-Shirts?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But now you are saying we are like Che Guevara ? What , you mean you make T-Shirts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But now you are saying we are like Che Guevara?What, you mean you make T-Shirts?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265248</id>
	<title>I downloaded Firefox...</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1265108160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and didn't even pay for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and did n't even pay for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and didn't even pay for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31276770</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267088760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually that's one of the themes in batman.  the police pursue him because vigilantism is frowned upon/illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually that 's one of the themes in batman .
the police pursue him because vigilantism is frowned upon/illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually that's one of the themes in batman.
the police pursue him because vigilantism is frowned upon/illegal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268566</id>
	<title>Does my backyard cookout steal from McDonalds?</title>
	<author>G\_of\_the\_J</author>
	<datestamp>1265132280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I cook hamburgers in my back yard and give them to my friends and neighbors, is this equivalent to stealing from McDonalds? (ie, piracy)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I cook hamburgers in my back yard and give them to my friends and neighbors , is this equivalent to stealing from McDonalds ?
( ie , piracy )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I cook hamburgers in my back yard and give them to my friends and neighbors, is this equivalent to stealing from McDonalds?
(ie, piracy)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266354</id>
	<title>Re:now they fight FOSS</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1265113200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."</p></div></blockquote><p>A very romantic notion sure, but although it worked for Gandhi, 99 times out of 100 you will NOT win. It's not a rule that works in general, and it's extremely dangerous to become cocky that things will work out for you in the end.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" First they ignore you , then they laugh at you , then they fight you , then you win .
" A very romantic notion sure , but although it worked for Gandhi , 99 times out of 100 you will NOT win .
It 's not a rule that works in general , and it 's extremely dangerous to become cocky that things will work out for you in the end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
"A very romantic notion sure, but although it worked for Gandhi, 99 times out of 100 you will NOT win.
It's not a rule that works in general, and it's extremely dangerous to become cocky that things will work out for you in the end.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266420</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265113500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way things are now, if Yellowstone or Yosemite were treated the way public domain is, they would be denuded of all foliage and strip mined. The people of this generation really need a Theodore Rosevelt in regards to freely available information and knowledge. But who is up to the job?</p><p>The Egyptians, Greeks, Renaissance Artists, and even the likes of Willam Shakespeare didn't need copyright to create great works of art. Nor did they need patents for novel inventions. So it's obvious that the so-called requirements for such protections are B.S. and the logic of such thinking is flawed. In fact I would invite some new method to revive the older patronage models in which once paid for, everyone can benefit from the arts and other creations.</p><p>All I know for the meantime is that copyright and patents need reform, I'd suggest going to periods under 20 years for both as those are reasonable. There is still enough time to profit, and then the public trust can actually benefit unlike under current conditions where they are denied access. The children and great-grandchildren of people that created great works do not need to sit on their ass and roll in money just because of something their ancestor did. (If you want to cover for your kin, save up now and invest in other things. Otherwise you shouldn't expect your laurels to buy them anything.)</p><p>Also I'm going to continue to use open source goods and creative commons media and information whether it's considered legal or not. Bad laws that only look out for special interests deserve to be broken. And if bad laws intrude upon my livelyhood and pursuit of happiness, then yes, I will break them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way things are now , if Yellowstone or Yosemite were treated the way public domain is , they would be denuded of all foliage and strip mined .
The people of this generation really need a Theodore Rosevelt in regards to freely available information and knowledge .
But who is up to the job ? The Egyptians , Greeks , Renaissance Artists , and even the likes of Willam Shakespeare did n't need copyright to create great works of art .
Nor did they need patents for novel inventions .
So it 's obvious that the so-called requirements for such protections are B.S .
and the logic of such thinking is flawed .
In fact I would invite some new method to revive the older patronage models in which once paid for , everyone can benefit from the arts and other creations.All I know for the meantime is that copyright and patents need reform , I 'd suggest going to periods under 20 years for both as those are reasonable .
There is still enough time to profit , and then the public trust can actually benefit unlike under current conditions where they are denied access .
The children and great-grandchildren of people that created great works do not need to sit on their ass and roll in money just because of something their ancestor did .
( If you want to cover for your kin , save up now and invest in other things .
Otherwise you should n't expect your laurels to buy them anything .
) Also I 'm going to continue to use open source goods and creative commons media and information whether it 's considered legal or not .
Bad laws that only look out for special interests deserve to be broken .
And if bad laws intrude upon my livelyhood and pursuit of happiness , then yes , I will break them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way things are now, if Yellowstone or Yosemite were treated the way public domain is, they would be denuded of all foliage and strip mined.
The people of this generation really need a Theodore Rosevelt in regards to freely available information and knowledge.
But who is up to the job?The Egyptians, Greeks, Renaissance Artists, and even the likes of Willam Shakespeare didn't need copyright to create great works of art.
Nor did they need patents for novel inventions.
So it's obvious that the so-called requirements for such protections are B.S.
and the logic of such thinking is flawed.
In fact I would invite some new method to revive the older patronage models in which once paid for, everyone can benefit from the arts and other creations.All I know for the meantime is that copyright and patents need reform, I'd suggest going to periods under 20 years for both as those are reasonable.
There is still enough time to profit, and then the public trust can actually benefit unlike under current conditions where they are denied access.
The children and great-grandchildren of people that created great works do not need to sit on their ass and roll in money just because of something their ancestor did.
(If you want to cover for your kin, save up now and invest in other things.
Otherwise you shouldn't expect your laurels to buy them anything.
)Also I'm going to continue to use open source goods and creative commons media and information whether it's considered legal or not.
Bad laws that only look out for special interests deserve to be broken.
And if bad laws intrude upon my livelyhood and pursuit of happiness, then yes, I will break them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265758</id>
	<title>The ARMY and others use Open Source</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1265110200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ARMY and others use Open Source so it will not be easy to shut that down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ARMY and others use Open Source so it will not be easy to shut that down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ARMY and others use Open Source so it will not be easy to shut that down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264864</id>
	<title>...the least of my worries.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I'm here, I read Slashdot.</p><p>Being accused of using Open Source software would be the least of my worries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm here , I read Slashdot.Being accused of using Open Source software would be the least of my worries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm here, I read Slashdot.Being accused of using Open Source software would be the least of my worries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266378</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>ianturton</author>
	<datestamp>1265113320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wondered when they'd get around to doing this. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't try it sooner.</p><p>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business. Value is tied to scarcity, so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic. In a field like "intellectual property", where <i>all</i> scarcity is artificial, <i>sharing</i> is viewed as a sin.</p></div><p>Booksellers in the UK are already trying to force charity shops to stop selling second hand books near their stores - <a href="http://www.thebookseller.com/news/93224-oxfam-accused-of-damaging-independents.html" title="thebookseller.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebookseller.com/news/93224-oxfam-accused-of-damaging-independents.html</a> [thebookseller.com]</p><p>Ian</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wondered when they 'd get around to doing this .
Frankly , I 'm surprised they did n't try it sooner.You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes , clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business .
Value is tied to scarcity , so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic .
In a field like " intellectual property " , where all scarcity is artificial , sharing is viewed as a sin.Booksellers in the UK are already trying to force charity shops to stop selling second hand books near their stores - http : //www.thebookseller.com/news/93224-oxfam-accused-of-damaging-independents.html [ thebookseller.com ] Ian</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wondered when they'd get around to doing this.
Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't try it sooner.You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.
Value is tied to scarcity, so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic.
In a field like "intellectual property", where all scarcity is artificial, sharing is viewed as a sin.Booksellers in the UK are already trying to force charity shops to stop selling second hand books near their stores - http://www.thebookseller.com/news/93224-oxfam-accused-of-damaging-independents.html [thebookseller.com]Ian
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264558</id>
	<title>Time to move</title>
	<author>dvlhrns</author>
	<datestamp>1265105280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this goes through and gets approved, then it's time to leave this country. What kind of place do we live in where doing something for the public good is criminal ? It's a sad state of affairs when people are "criminals" because they help the public...

I for one will leave this country in a heartbeat if this gets approved. I hear there are countries in the world that encourage people to help the public<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this goes through and gets approved , then it 's time to leave this country .
What kind of place do we live in where doing something for the public good is criminal ?
It 's a sad state of affairs when people are " criminals " because they help the public.. . I for one will leave this country in a heartbeat if this gets approved .
I hear there are countries in the world that encourage people to help the public ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this goes through and gets approved, then it's time to leave this country.
What kind of place do we live in where doing something for the public good is criminal ?
It's a sad state of affairs when people are "criminals" because they help the public...

I for one will leave this country in a heartbeat if this gets approved.
I hear there are countries in the world that encourage people to help the public ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31272532</id>
	<title>It's pure defamation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267115940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft lost me as a customer.  They frequently asked me on my legal copy of their product if I didn't want to be a thief anymore.  There was no reason to buy software which told me to be a thief.  I don't use Microsoft products at all, Microsoft itself taught me about usable alternatives and life in a microsoft-free world.</p><p>Major music and film labels lost me as a customer.  I don't buy their CDs, I don't buy their DVDs, I even don't watch their movies in cinema.  Why should I when I can't use their CDs and DVDs legally on the hardware I have?  I have learned to see these limitations as a major drawback, to the extend that it makes their music and movies worthless to me as a whole.  It's tainted, poisoned.  I don't use pirated copies of that either.  Why should I steal rat poison from the store just to eat it because I didn't pay for it?  These companies made me learn to life in a world without their music, without their movies.  And again, living without these products made me watch less and more specific TV, listen to less and more defined radio.</p><p>I should thank Microsoft and these companies for having made my life better in many respects - more time for important things, more money for important things, less brain-damaging and nonsense things, more concentration on things that really matter.  I don't as it wasn't their effort nor their intend.</p><p>If you claim me to not protect your copyrights for I use Open Source you just annoy me.  I do use Open Source because I value copyrights very high.  But if you dare to mark my very own work illegal and lessen my wealth from that work you don't give me another chance than to reconsider my position on copyrights.</p><p>cb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft lost me as a customer .
They frequently asked me on my legal copy of their product if I did n't want to be a thief anymore .
There was no reason to buy software which told me to be a thief .
I do n't use Microsoft products at all , Microsoft itself taught me about usable alternatives and life in a microsoft-free world.Major music and film labels lost me as a customer .
I do n't buy their CDs , I do n't buy their DVDs , I even do n't watch their movies in cinema .
Why should I when I ca n't use their CDs and DVDs legally on the hardware I have ?
I have learned to see these limitations as a major drawback , to the extend that it makes their music and movies worthless to me as a whole .
It 's tainted , poisoned .
I do n't use pirated copies of that either .
Why should I steal rat poison from the store just to eat it because I did n't pay for it ?
These companies made me learn to life in a world without their music , without their movies .
And again , living without these products made me watch less and more specific TV , listen to less and more defined radio.I should thank Microsoft and these companies for having made my life better in many respects - more time for important things , more money for important things , less brain-damaging and nonsense things , more concentration on things that really matter .
I do n't as it was n't their effort nor their intend.If you claim me to not protect your copyrights for I use Open Source you just annoy me .
I do use Open Source because I value copyrights very high .
But if you dare to mark my very own work illegal and lessen my wealth from that work you do n't give me another chance than to reconsider my position on copyrights.cb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft lost me as a customer.
They frequently asked me on my legal copy of their product if I didn't want to be a thief anymore.
There was no reason to buy software which told me to be a thief.
I don't use Microsoft products at all, Microsoft itself taught me about usable alternatives and life in a microsoft-free world.Major music and film labels lost me as a customer.
I don't buy their CDs, I don't buy their DVDs, I even don't watch their movies in cinema.
Why should I when I can't use their CDs and DVDs legally on the hardware I have?
I have learned to see these limitations as a major drawback, to the extend that it makes their music and movies worthless to me as a whole.
It's tainted, poisoned.
I don't use pirated copies of that either.
Why should I steal rat poison from the store just to eat it because I didn't pay for it?
These companies made me learn to life in a world without their music, without their movies.
And again, living without these products made me watch less and more specific TV, listen to less and more defined radio.I should thank Microsoft and these companies for having made my life better in many respects - more time for important things, more money for important things, less brain-damaging and nonsense things, more concentration on things that really matter.
I don't as it wasn't their effort nor their intend.If you claim me to not protect your copyrights for I use Open Source you just annoy me.
I do use Open Source because I value copyrights very high.
But if you dare to mark my very own work illegal and lessen my wealth from that work you don't give me another chance than to reconsider my position on copyrights.cb</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265574</id>
	<title>Re:what a bunch of idiots</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1265109420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The GPL is, arguably, the most popular and most well-known open source license. Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses. So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.</p></div><p>- The GPL does not require copyright law in it's current form. It just requires some form of protection.</p><p>- I would be happier with shorter copyrights, including on GPL licensed work. If someone chooses to then released GPL dervied work under a closed source license, at least we would still have the original available. Shorter copyrights would in the long run I believe increase the amount of work that is developed and used freely</p><p>- Anti-competition and anti-corruption laws need to be tightened so that attempting to increase copyright indefinitely in order to maintain scarcity at the expense of the public domain is made illegal. A system that allows businesses to lobby for changes to the law that are against the public interest while propagating lies, fear mongering and laws with detrimental side effects to society can only be called corrupt.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The GPL is , arguably , the most popular and most well-known open source license .
Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators , the GPL could not exist , depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses .
So I 'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.- The GPL does not require copyright law in it 's current form .
It just requires some form of protection.- I would be happier with shorter copyrights , including on GPL licensed work .
If someone chooses to then released GPL dervied work under a closed source license , at least we would still have the original available .
Shorter copyrights would in the long run I believe increase the amount of work that is developed and used freely- Anti-competition and anti-corruption laws need to be tightened so that attempting to increase copyright indefinitely in order to maintain scarcity at the expense of the public domain is made illegal .
A system that allows businesses to lobby for changes to the law that are against the public interest while propagating lies , fear mongering and laws with detrimental side effects to society can only be called corrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPL is, arguably, the most popular and most well-known open source license.
Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses.
So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.- The GPL does not require copyright law in it's current form.
It just requires some form of protection.- I would be happier with shorter copyrights, including on GPL licensed work.
If someone chooses to then released GPL dervied work under a closed source license, at least we would still have the original available.
Shorter copyrights would in the long run I believe increase the amount of work that is developed and used freely- Anti-competition and anti-corruption laws need to be tightened so that attempting to increase copyright indefinitely in order to maintain scarcity at the expense of the public domain is made illegal.
A system that allows businesses to lobby for changes to the law that are against the public interest while propagating lies, fear mongering and laws with detrimental side effects to society can only be called corrupt.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31272850</id>
	<title>Well if that's the case, then all I can say is...</title>
	<author>science\_gone\_bad</author>
	<datestamp>1267117560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arrrrrrr! Ye be spyin' me flag!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arrrrrrr !
Ye be spyin ' me flag !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arrrrrrr!
Ye be spyin' me flag!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267606</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1265122860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if your bug has brain damage?</p><p>(Sorry, it will make sense following the two prior replies)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if your bug has brain damage ?
( Sorry , it will make sense following the two prior replies )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if your bug has brain damage?
(Sorry, it will make sense following the two prior replies)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267500</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>maestroX</author>
	<datestamp>1265121840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Hm-m-m-m, let's see<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
</p><ul>
<li> <b>beer</b>:  YEE-HAAAAAAAAAAH</li><li>note: spam</li><li>bug report: nuisance</li><li>patch; wiseass</li></ul><p>
You disregarded the EULA and neglected the 'Free <i>as in beer</i>' statement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note , or better yet , a bug report or patch ?
Hm-m-m-m , let 's see .. . beer : YEE-HAAAAAAAAAAHnote : spambug report : nuisancepatch ; wiseass You disregarded the EULA and neglected the 'Free as in beer ' statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?
Hm-m-m-m, let's see ...

 beer:  YEE-HAAAAAAAAAAHnote: spambug report: nuisancepatch; wiseass
You disregarded the EULA and neglected the 'Free as in beer' statement.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268210</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>mathfeel</author>
	<datestamp>1265128440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...</p></div><p>This line made my day<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...This line made my day : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...This line made my day :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266768</id>
	<title>Dear IIPA</title>
	<author>loxosceles</author>
	<datestamp>1265115840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear IIPA,</p><p>Maybe if you'd use open source software like Drupal or Plone or ANYTHING other than MS Frontpage (according to the meta tags), your website wouldn't suck so much.</p><p>xoxo<br>commie scum running linux, openoffice, chromium and firefox...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear IIPA,Maybe if you 'd use open source software like Drupal or Plone or ANYTHING other than MS Frontpage ( according to the meta tags ) , your website would n't suck so much.xoxocommie scum running linux , openoffice , chromium and firefox.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear IIPA,Maybe if you'd use open source software like Drupal or Plone or ANYTHING other than MS Frontpage (according to the meta tags), your website wouldn't suck so much.xoxocommie scum running linux, openoffice, chromium and firefox...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266030</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1265111520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, you can't be a communist and a pirate at the same time.  They derive from mutually exclusive economic theories.  One redistributes wealth the masses to benefit the state, while the other plunders the state to redistribute the wealth on rum and wenches.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , you ca n't be a communist and a pirate at the same time .
They derive from mutually exclusive economic theories .
One redistributes wealth the masses to benefit the state , while the other plunders the state to redistribute the wealth on rum and wenches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, you can't be a communist and a pirate at the same time.
They derive from mutually exclusive economic theories.
One redistributes wealth the masses to benefit the state, while the other plunders the state to redistribute the wealth on rum and wenches.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264444</id>
	<title>Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Palestrina</author>
	<datestamp>1265104920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia:<blockquote><div><p>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I think this is is seriously flawed logic.  It appears to falsely equate "value" and "intellectual creation" with a proprietary, commercial development model.  Proprietary IP rights are a way to exploit the value of intellectual creations.  But proprietary rights are not the source of their value.  We can give "due consideration to the value of intellectual creations" without discriminating against open source.  Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?
</p><p>
We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration.  Now it seems we try to outlaw them.   There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia : Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market , irrespective of the development model , it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations .
I think this is is seriously flawed logic .
It appears to falsely equate " value " and " intellectual creation " with a proprietary , commercial development model .
Proprietary IP rights are a way to exploit the value of intellectual creations .
But proprietary rights are not the source of their value .
We can give " due consideration to the value of intellectual creations " without discriminating against open source .
Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note , or better yet , a bug report or patch ?
We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration .
Now it seems we try to outlaw them .
There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia:Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.
I think this is is seriously flawed logic.
It appears to falsely equate "value" and "intellectual creation" with a proprietary, commercial development model.
Proprietary IP rights are a way to exploit the value of intellectual creations.
But proprietary rights are not the source of their value.
We can give "due consideration to the value of intellectual creations" without discriminating against open source.
Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?
We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration.
Now it seems we try to outlaw them.
There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270016</id>
	<title>kexbar</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267094820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Capitalism is poison! They did always things with evil!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Capitalism is poison !
They did always things with evil !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capitalism is poison!
They did always things with evil!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270252</id>
	<title>Re:Age old strategy</title>
	<author>randyleepublic</author>
	<datestamp>1267097340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bullshit.  Modern catalysts do not add any back pressure, and therefore reduce nothing except really nasty pollutants.
<br> <br>
Not saying that the corporate sleezeduggary didn't happen, just saying that a good quality catalyst on a well managed engine is a wonderful thing.  Not having one on your (electronically fuel injected) car is like walking around taking a shit whereever you happend to be standing instead of finding a toilet - rude as hell.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshit .
Modern catalysts do not add any back pressure , and therefore reduce nothing except really nasty pollutants .
Not saying that the corporate sleezeduggary did n't happen , just saying that a good quality catalyst on a well managed engine is a wonderful thing .
Not having one on your ( electronically fuel injected ) car is like walking around taking a shit whereever you happend to be standing instead of finding a toilet - rude as hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshit.
Modern catalysts do not add any back pressure, and therefore reduce nothing except really nasty pollutants.
Not saying that the corporate sleezeduggary didn't happen, just saying that a good quality catalyst on a well managed engine is a wonderful thing.
Not having one on your (electronically fuel injected) car is like walking around taking a shit whereever you happend to be standing instead of finding a toilet - rude as hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267204</id>
	<title>yoyo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265119080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>greedy fucks, when will you realise that no one likes you, or what you do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>greedy fucks , when will you realise that no one likes you , or what you do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>greedy fucks, when will you realise that no one likes you, or what you do?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264620</id>
	<title>In response, I suggest we....</title>
	<author>novakom</author>
	<datestamp>1265105520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...open source the government.  Seriously, how hard is it to write:</p><p>Legislation<br>If (party1\_votes  60) &amp;&amp; (party2\_votes  60)<br>GOTO Gridlock</p><p>Gridlock<br>GOTO Legislation</p><p>I think I may have just automated congress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...open source the government .
Seriously , how hard is it to write : LegislationIf ( party1 \ _votes 60 ) &amp;&amp; ( party2 \ _votes 60 ) GOTO GridlockGridlockGOTO LegislationI think I may have just automated congress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...open source the government.
Seriously, how hard is it to write:LegislationIf (party1\_votes  60) &amp;&amp; (party2\_votes  60)GOTO GridlockGridlockGOTO LegislationI think I may have just automated congress.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265264</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1265108160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.</i></p><p>Intellectual dishonesty is one of their primary forms of intellectual property!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.Intellectual dishonesty is one of their primary forms of intellectual property !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.Intellectual dishonesty is one of their primary forms of intellectual property!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265830</id>
	<title>Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>brit74</author>
	<datestamp>1265110440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could someone please point me to the section of the article which substantiates the claim that open-source is equivalent to piracy?
<br> <br>
I've read the entire article, and the only thing I can find is the *article author's interpretation* that the document says encouraging the use of open-source software is in the same category ("Special 301 watchlist") as piracy.  For one thing, saying they're in the same category is not the same as saying they are the same - just like shoplifting and murder are in the category of "criminal behavior" but that doesn't mean "they are the same thing".
<br> <br>
As far as I can see, the article says that companies are complaining that countries that encourage the use of open-source are interfering with the market forces by producing a bias against closed-source competitors.  While I don't agree that this is a legitimate complaint, I can accept the argument that undo preference for open-source software could cause countries to use less capable (free) software over more capable (purchased) software - if an open-source equivalent is inferior to some closed-sourced software.  No doubt, open-source advocates would absolutely consider this kind of bias to be evil if those same countries reversed their position and said that they favored closed-source software over open-source competitors.
<br> <br>
At this point, I'm considering Slashdot's interpretation of events to be unfair and biased.  Why am I getting used to seeing news stories misinterpreted when I visit Slashdot?  The fundamental thrust of this article seems to be: companies producing closed-source software are evil, and piracy isn't bad - it's just inaccurately labeled as bad by the same people who hate open-source; i.e. anti-piracy/anti-open-source is merely an attempt by money-grubbing companies to control the market.  Both of those "lessons" are flawed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could someone please point me to the section of the article which substantiates the claim that open-source is equivalent to piracy ?
I 've read the entire article , and the only thing I can find is the * article author 's interpretation * that the document says encouraging the use of open-source software is in the same category ( " Special 301 watchlist " ) as piracy .
For one thing , saying they 're in the same category is not the same as saying they are the same - just like shoplifting and murder are in the category of " criminal behavior " but that does n't mean " they are the same thing " .
As far as I can see , the article says that companies are complaining that countries that encourage the use of open-source are interfering with the market forces by producing a bias against closed-source competitors .
While I do n't agree that this is a legitimate complaint , I can accept the argument that undo preference for open-source software could cause countries to use less capable ( free ) software over more capable ( purchased ) software - if an open-source equivalent is inferior to some closed-sourced software .
No doubt , open-source advocates would absolutely consider this kind of bias to be evil if those same countries reversed their position and said that they favored closed-source software over open-source competitors .
At this point , I 'm considering Slashdot 's interpretation of events to be unfair and biased .
Why am I getting used to seeing news stories misinterpreted when I visit Slashdot ?
The fundamental thrust of this article seems to be : companies producing closed-source software are evil , and piracy is n't bad - it 's just inaccurately labeled as bad by the same people who hate open-source ; i.e .
anti-piracy/anti-open-source is merely an attempt by money-grubbing companies to control the market .
Both of those " lessons " are flawed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could someone please point me to the section of the article which substantiates the claim that open-source is equivalent to piracy?
I've read the entire article, and the only thing I can find is the *article author's interpretation* that the document says encouraging the use of open-source software is in the same category ("Special 301 watchlist") as piracy.
For one thing, saying they're in the same category is not the same as saying they are the same - just like shoplifting and murder are in the category of "criminal behavior" but that doesn't mean "they are the same thing".
As far as I can see, the article says that companies are complaining that countries that encourage the use of open-source are interfering with the market forces by producing a bias against closed-source competitors.
While I don't agree that this is a legitimate complaint, I can accept the argument that undo preference for open-source software could cause countries to use less capable (free) software over more capable (purchased) software - if an open-source equivalent is inferior to some closed-sourced software.
No doubt, open-source advocates would absolutely consider this kind of bias to be evil if those same countries reversed their position and said that they favored closed-source software over open-source competitors.
At this point, I'm considering Slashdot's interpretation of events to be unfair and biased.
Why am I getting used to seeing news stories misinterpreted when I visit Slashdot?
The fundamental thrust of this article seems to be: companies producing closed-source software are evil, and piracy isn't bad - it's just inaccurately labeled as bad by the same people who hate open-source; i.e.
anti-piracy/anti-open-source is merely an attempt by money-grubbing companies to control the market.
Both of those "lessons" are flawed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267840</id>
	<title>Misleading summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265125020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article summary (and the Guardian articles) mis-state that countries are being cited "because they encourage the use of open source software." In fact, in reading IIPA's Special 301 recommendations for <a href="http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf" title="iipa.com">Indonesia</a> [iipa.com] and <a href="http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301BRAZIL.pdf" title="iipa.com">Brasil</a> [iipa.com], those countries are being cited because they are trying to <b>require by law</b> the use of open source (in government usage). That's very different from simply encouraging FOSS use as the summary suggests.</p><p>
What would one expect the position of an intellectual property trade organization to be regarding countries that are trying to outlaw the use of commercial intellectual property?</p><p>
Further, as indicated in the linked briefs, the issue of open source treatment is only a small one in the context of much larger intellectual property issues. To suggest that countries would be put on a watchlist simply "because they encourage the use of open source software" is to ignore the many other and weightier intellectual property concerns that have nothing to do with open source software. (Just because we're an open source community doesn't mean everything is an open source issue.)</p><p>
There's nothing significant here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article summary ( and the Guardian articles ) mis-state that countries are being cited " because they encourage the use of open source software .
" In fact , in reading IIPA 's Special 301 recommendations for Indonesia [ iipa.com ] and Brasil [ iipa.com ] , those countries are being cited because they are trying to require by law the use of open source ( in government usage ) .
That 's very different from simply encouraging FOSS use as the summary suggests .
What would one expect the position of an intellectual property trade organization to be regarding countries that are trying to outlaw the use of commercial intellectual property ?
Further , as indicated in the linked briefs , the issue of open source treatment is only a small one in the context of much larger intellectual property issues .
To suggest that countries would be put on a watchlist simply " because they encourage the use of open source software " is to ignore the many other and weightier intellectual property concerns that have nothing to do with open source software .
( Just because we 're an open source community does n't mean everything is an open source issue .
) There 's nothing significant here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article summary (and the Guardian articles) mis-state that countries are being cited "because they encourage the use of open source software.
" In fact, in reading IIPA's Special 301 recommendations for Indonesia [iipa.com] and Brasil [iipa.com], those countries are being cited because they are trying to require by law the use of open source (in government usage).
That's very different from simply encouraging FOSS use as the summary suggests.
What would one expect the position of an intellectual property trade organization to be regarding countries that are trying to outlaw the use of commercial intellectual property?
Further, as indicated in the linked briefs, the issue of open source treatment is only a small one in the context of much larger intellectual property issues.
To suggest that countries would be put on a watchlist simply "because they encourage the use of open source software" is to ignore the many other and weightier intellectual property concerns that have nothing to do with open source software.
(Just because we're an open source community doesn't mean everything is an open source issue.
)
There's nothing significant here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268410</id>
	<title>Re:Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>jrincayc</author>
	<datestamp>1265130600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf" title="iipa.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf</a> [iipa.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf [ iipa.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2010/2010SPEC301INDONESIA.pdf [iipa.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269142</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265139000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Free software is a great capitalist example of how sharing with your neighbour is more efficient than accumulation of wealth. Could it be that the virtual world of free software is having an impact on the real world? Could this be a menace to the old way of doing things in the real world. Alas, it has been said before that pure capitalism will lead to a true free Socialist Society, or whas it vice-versa? It depens on how you turn the clock. I guess I am a crypto-communist!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Free software is a great capitalist example of how sharing with your neighbour is more efficient than accumulation of wealth .
Could it be that the virtual world of free software is having an impact on the real world ?
Could this be a menace to the old way of doing things in the real world .
Alas , it has been said before that pure capitalism will lead to a true free Socialist Society , or whas it vice-versa ?
It depens on how you turn the clock .
I guess I am a crypto-communist !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free software is a great capitalist example of how sharing with your neighbour is more efficient than accumulation of wealth.
Could it be that the virtual world of free software is having an impact on the real world?
Could this be a menace to the old way of doing things in the real world.
Alas, it has been said before that pure capitalism will lead to a true free Socialist Society, or whas it vice-versa?
It depens on how you turn the clock.
I guess I am a crypto-communist!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266686</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265115300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...</p></div><p>Ever hear of "Watchmen"? Movie that hit theaters a year ago? Based on a comic written in the 1980s? That's basically what happened, the Police went on strike until Congress passes legislation that banned costumed heroes. The lack of police led to riots and lots of anger towards caped crusaders.</p><p>Very interesting read if you have somehow managed to never hear about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...Ever hear of " Watchmen " ?
Movie that hit theaters a year ago ?
Based on a comic written in the 1980s ?
That 's basically what happened , the Police went on strike until Congress passes legislation that banned costumed heroes .
The lack of police led to riots and lots of anger towards caped crusaders.Very interesting read if you have somehow managed to never hear about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...Ever hear of "Watchmen"?
Movie that hit theaters a year ago?
Based on a comic written in the 1980s?
That's basically what happened, the Police went on strike until Congress passes legislation that banned costumed heroes.
The lack of police led to riots and lots of anger towards caped crusaders.Very interesting read if you have somehow managed to never hear about it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264444</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266300</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1265112900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make no mistake: we're in a propaganda war.  You might call it "marketing" or "public relations" or "lobbying" or whatever else you want to call it, but the intention is the same.  Publishers of games, books, movies, music, and software are all trying to convince you of a particular view of "intellectual property".  They're not trying to convince you through honest rational arguments, but rather through logical fallacies and mass brainwashing.
</p><p>They're trying to convince us all that they are, as industries, entitled to exist, and entitled to a governmental guarantee of profitability.  They're trying to convince us that copyright was always considered an inalienable human right, and that authors of creative works have always been entitled to absolute control of their creations in perpetuity.  Further, they're trying to convince us that they, the publishers, are the true authors of these works.  The guy who wrote the song or the novel, the band who performed the song, the developer who actually wrote the code-- these people are just employees.  They're assistants in the process, but the company who funded the work is the true author, and the only one entitled to protection.
</p><p>That's the propaganda being sold to the public.  Don't think for a second that we're involved in an honest debate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make no mistake : we 're in a propaganda war .
You might call it " marketing " or " public relations " or " lobbying " or whatever else you want to call it , but the intention is the same .
Publishers of games , books , movies , music , and software are all trying to convince you of a particular view of " intellectual property " .
They 're not trying to convince you through honest rational arguments , but rather through logical fallacies and mass brainwashing .
They 're trying to convince us all that they are , as industries , entitled to exist , and entitled to a governmental guarantee of profitability .
They 're trying to convince us that copyright was always considered an inalienable human right , and that authors of creative works have always been entitled to absolute control of their creations in perpetuity .
Further , they 're trying to convince us that they , the publishers , are the true authors of these works .
The guy who wrote the song or the novel , the band who performed the song , the developer who actually wrote the code-- these people are just employees .
They 're assistants in the process , but the company who funded the work is the true author , and the only one entitled to protection .
That 's the propaganda being sold to the public .
Do n't think for a second that we 're involved in an honest debate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make no mistake: we're in a propaganda war.
You might call it "marketing" or "public relations" or "lobbying" or whatever else you want to call it, but the intention is the same.
Publishers of games, books, movies, music, and software are all trying to convince you of a particular view of "intellectual property".
They're not trying to convince you through honest rational arguments, but rather through logical fallacies and mass brainwashing.
They're trying to convince us all that they are, as industries, entitled to exist, and entitled to a governmental guarantee of profitability.
They're trying to convince us that copyright was always considered an inalienable human right, and that authors of creative works have always been entitled to absolute control of their creations in perpetuity.
Further, they're trying to convince us that they, the publishers, are the true authors of these works.
The guy who wrote the song or the novel, the band who performed the song, the developer who actually wrote the code-- these people are just employees.
They're assistants in the process, but the company who funded the work is the true author, and the only one entitled to protection.
That's the propaganda being sold to the public.
Don't think for a second that we're involved in an honest debate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31271070</id>
	<title>Re:whatever</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1267107060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guardian is in fact well known for having large numbers of typos, at least in the past.  It is sometimes referred to as the Grauniad.  Ignoring this it is generally considered to be a high quality newspaper although it does have a left wing bias.  Not reading the article based on a single typo seems pretty strange to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guardian is in fact well known for having large numbers of typos , at least in the past .
It is sometimes referred to as the Grauniad .
Ignoring this it is generally considered to be a high quality newspaper although it does have a left wing bias .
Not reading the article based on a single typo seems pretty strange to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guardian is in fact well known for having large numbers of typos, at least in the past.
It is sometimes referred to as the Grauniad.
Ignoring this it is generally considered to be a high quality newspaper although it does have a left wing bias.
Not reading the article based on a single typo seems pretty strange to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267468</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>HellYeahAutomaton</author>
	<datestamp>1265121540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the evidence you present is completely factual and justifies both regulations that were put in place as a reactionary measure, its hard to not marvel how much financial might the product producing China has right now over the stagnantly over-consuming US.</p><p>If it brought good jobs, and a generally higher quality of life for its people perhaps these risks would be worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the evidence you present is completely factual and justifies both regulations that were put in place as a reactionary measure , its hard to not marvel how much financial might the product producing China has right now over the stagnantly over-consuming US.If it brought good jobs , and a generally higher quality of life for its people perhaps these risks would be worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the evidence you present is completely factual and justifies both regulations that were put in place as a reactionary measure, its hard to not marvel how much financial might the product producing China has right now over the stagnantly over-consuming US.If it brought good jobs, and a generally higher quality of life for its people perhaps these risks would be worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264892</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>perlchild</author>
	<datestamp>1265106660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, you've just established why they must be fought.  They can ask politicians to erode our rights and dilute our fair use, but since they're not doing it themselves, we can't sue them, either criminally or civilly, for that particular crime(we could sue them for blackmail/extortion/traffic of influence and related, if they resort to that however) but for the act of equating "doing something for the greater good" with "impinging the rights of others to profit, and working to get others to believe that, they get no penalty.  That's why they must be fought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , you 've just established why they must be fought .
They can ask politicians to erode our rights and dilute our fair use , but since they 're not doing it themselves , we ca n't sue them , either criminally or civilly , for that particular crime ( we could sue them for blackmail/extortion/traffic of influence and related , if they resort to that however ) but for the act of equating " doing something for the greater good " with " impinging the rights of others to profit , and working to get others to believe that , they get no penalty .
That 's why they must be fought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, you've just established why they must be fought.
They can ask politicians to erode our rights and dilute our fair use, but since they're not doing it themselves, we can't sue them, either criminally or civilly, for that particular crime(we could sue them for blackmail/extortion/traffic of influence and related, if they resort to that however) but for the act of equating "doing something for the greater good" with "impinging the rights of others to profit, and working to get others to believe that, they get no penalty.
That's why they must be fought.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266324</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Proteus</author>
	<datestamp>1265113020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.
</p><blockquote><div><p>We can give "due consideration to the value of intellectual creations" without discriminating against open source. Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?</p></div> </blockquote></div>
</blockquote><p>

More to the point, open-source licenses give <em>higher</em> value to intellectual creations, for two reasons:</p><ol>
<li>Practically, because they rely on strong copyright to give them force - and violators of those copyrights and related license terms are aggressively pursued</li><li>Ideologically, because they demonstrate that the creators value the creative process so highly that they explicitly encourage others to create additional intellectual work, without forcing those others to do ridiculous amounts of re-work.</li></ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market , irrespective of the development model , it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations .
We can give " due consideration to the value of intellectual creations " without discriminating against open source .
Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note , or better yet , a bug report or patch ?
More to the point , open-source licenses give higher value to intellectual creations , for two reasons : Practically , because they rely on strong copyright to give them force - and violators of those copyrights and related license terms are aggressively pursuedIdeologically , because they demonstrate that the creators value the creative process so highly that they explicitly encourage others to create additional intellectual work , without forcing those others to do ridiculous amounts of re-work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.
We can give "due consideration to the value of intellectual creations" without discriminating against open source.
Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?
More to the point, open-source licenses give higher value to intellectual creations, for two reasons:
Practically, because they rely on strong copyright to give them force - and violators of those copyrights and related license terms are aggressively pursuedIdeologically, because they demonstrate that the creators value the creative process so highly that they explicitly encourage others to create additional intellectual work, without forcing those others to do ridiculous amounts of re-work.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264768</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>gandhi\_2</author>
	<datestamp>1265106120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know when I build a table or chair in a wood shop, my foremost concern is the value to intellectual creations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know when I build a table or chair in a wood shop , my foremost concern is the value to intellectual creations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know when I build a table or chair in a wood shop, my foremost concern is the value to intellectual creations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265190</id>
	<title>Pirates are communists?</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1265107920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am getting confused here. I thought pirates shuttled old men and their boy toys to Alderaan? But now you are saying we are like Che Guevara?
</p><p>Either way, our chances of getting laid any time soon just sky-rocketed. We are now officially "bad boys". Rebel with a compile.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am getting confused here .
I thought pirates shuttled old men and their boy toys to Alderaan ?
But now you are saying we are like Che Guevara ?
Either way , our chances of getting laid any time soon just sky-rocketed .
We are now officially " bad boys " .
Rebel with a compile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am getting confused here.
I thought pirates shuttled old men and their boy toys to Alderaan?
But now you are saying we are like Che Guevara?
Either way, our chances of getting laid any time soon just sky-rocketed.
We are now officially "bad boys".
Rebel with a compile.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264572</id>
	<title>"IP" != capitalism</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1265105340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite the contrary.  Copyrights, patents, etc are monopolies created and granted by government to selected individuals and companies and therefor are the very antithesis of capitalism (which is orthogonal to the question of whether or not they should exist).  In a totally free market anyone would be free to manufacture and sell any object even if it was a copy of an object first made by someone else.  The express purpose of copyright and patent laws is to <strong>prevent</strong> competition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite the contrary .
Copyrights , patents , etc are monopolies created and granted by government to selected individuals and companies and therefor are the very antithesis of capitalism ( which is orthogonal to the question of whether or not they should exist ) .
In a totally free market anyone would be free to manufacture and sell any object even if it was a copy of an object first made by someone else .
The express purpose of copyright and patent laws is to prevent competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite the contrary.
Copyrights, patents, etc are monopolies created and granted by government to selected individuals and companies and therefor are the very antithesis of capitalism (which is orthogonal to the question of whether or not they should exist).
In a totally free market anyone would be free to manufacture and sell any object even if it was a copy of an object first made by someone else.
The express purpose of copyright and patent laws is to prevent competition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266426</id>
	<title>Re:what a bunch of idiots</title>
	<author>dfgchgfxrjtdhgh.jjhv</author>
	<datestamp>1265113560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The GPL would be quite unnecessary without copyright laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GPL would be quite unnecessary without copyright laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPL would be quite unnecessary without copyright laws.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266712</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>jpmorgan</author>
	<datestamp>1265115480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is not regulation. The problem is regulation bought and paid for, which just happens to make the alternatives to wealthy industry X unprofitable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is not regulation .
The problem is regulation bought and paid for , which just happens to make the alternatives to wealthy industry X unprofitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is not regulation.
The problem is regulation bought and paid for, which just happens to make the alternatives to wealthy industry X unprofitable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264472</id>
	<title>I thought open source was communism?</title>
	<author>Jabrwock</author>
	<datestamp>1265104980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>OS = piracy? I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid, but "using free software = stealing" takes the cake.
<br> <br>
So now it's pretty obvious what the 301 is. Not a tool to protect IP, but a tool to excuse protectionism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OS = piracy ?
I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid , but " using free software = stealing " takes the cake .
So now it 's pretty obvious what the 301 is .
Not a tool to protect IP , but a tool to excuse protectionism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OS = piracy?
I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid, but "using free software = stealing" takes the cake.
So now it's pretty obvious what the 301 is.
Not a tool to protect IP, but a tool to excuse protectionism.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266106</id>
	<title>Microsoft's influence in the US govt is hazardous</title>
	<author>TwineLogic</author>
	<datestamp>1265112000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This activity smells highly of Microsoft's tactics.  Do we really want Microsoft's business goals affecting our foreign policy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This activity smells highly of Microsoft 's tactics .
Do we really want Microsoft 's business goals affecting our foreign policy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This activity smells highly of Microsoft's tactics.
Do we really want Microsoft's business goals affecting our foreign policy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269740</id>
	<title>Suggestion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267090620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't we recycle lobbyists into a useful resource like some kind of biofuel?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't we recycle lobbyists into a useful resource like some kind of biofuel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't we recycle lobbyists into a useful resource like some kind of biofuel?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269438</id>
	<title>You mean ninja</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267129740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll never see a ninja's code.  A ninja's box is programmed to act like it was still yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll never see a ninja 's code .
A ninja 's box is programmed to act like it was still yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll never see a ninja's code.
A ninja's box is programmed to act like it was still yours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265816</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>16K Ram Pack</author>
	<datestamp>1265110380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a serious problem. Most people don't get involved in politics, because they don't feel especially strong about changing from the current situation. Of course, this then means you've got no defence when change comes.</p><p>If every person in the US gave a couple of bucks to a group which called for copyright reform (like reducing the term to 30 years), it would be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a serious problem .
Most people do n't get involved in politics , because they do n't feel especially strong about changing from the current situation .
Of course , this then means you 've got no defence when change comes.If every person in the US gave a couple of bucks to a group which called for copyright reform ( like reducing the term to 30 years ) , it would be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a serious problem.
Most people don't get involved in politics, because they don't feel especially strong about changing from the current situation.
Of course, this then means you've got no defence when change comes.If every person in the US gave a couple of bucks to a group which called for copyright reform (like reducing the term to 30 years), it would be done.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266898</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1265116800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Everyone is wrong but the free marketeers.  Poor free marketeers, constantly crushed under the homosexual neoliberal big government socialist capitalist conspiracy."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Everyone is wrong but the free marketeers .
Poor free marketeers , constantly crushed under the homosexual neoliberal big government socialist capitalist conspiracy .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Everyone is wrong but the free marketeers.
Poor free marketeers, constantly crushed under the homosexual neoliberal big government socialist capitalist conspiracy.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266884</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265116740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...as opposed to actually competing, which carries a much larger risk of failure.</p><p>Particularly if you are Microsoft!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...as opposed to actually competing , which carries a much larger risk of failure.Particularly if you are Microsoft !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...as opposed to actually competing, which carries a much larger risk of failure.Particularly if you are Microsoft!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31281820</id>
	<title>Re:Pirates are communists?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267123080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rebel with a GNU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rebel with a GNU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rebel with a GNU.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31274954</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1267124880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed.</p><p>
Communism is a shitty way to allocate resources when you need to make any decisions at all.</p><p>
In <b>theory</b> it's shitty because who gets what resources turns into some political idiocracy, where less efficient factories get more work, where things are shipped where they aren't needed so someone can 'win'.</p><p>
In <b>practice</b> it's even worse, as all communist governments have been so inept they can't even manage to feed their citizens. The economy is so inefficient it manages not to actually function at all. So how bad it would be in theory is rather moot.</p><p>
However, the problems, in theory and practice, are all due to <b>allocating resources</b>. Once you have infinite resources, all the problems with communism magically vanish.</p><p>
Copyright is a place we've actually made artificial scarcity. If we removed it, we'd have an infinite amount of reproductions and no scarcity of existing works.</p><p>
Without scarcity, you don't have to 'decree' communism...it just <b>happens</b>.(1) I have an infinite amount of air on my property, hence, I do not charge people for breathing my air. If I, and everyone else, each had a magical infinite food generator, no one would charge for it, even if you were using someone else's generator. (And, of course, on Star Trek, this has happened.)</p><p>
Of course, removing scarcity from works might make <b>new</b> works hard to come by, as no one would get rewarded. But with OSS, people have removed the artificial scarcity we added to their stuff, and apparently don't care about their lack of reward. Without scarcity, it really does turn into communism, which isn't a dirty word.</p><p>
1) Marx was right about this. He was wrong in thinking it had already happened, with mostly automated farms and whatnot, and that communism was being stopped because people were being artificially forced into capitalism, but he was right in that, when resources are infinite, or at least more than anyone could need, communism just happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Communism is a shitty way to allocate resources when you need to make any decisions at all .
In theory it 's shitty because who gets what resources turns into some political idiocracy , where less efficient factories get more work , where things are shipped where they are n't needed so someone can 'win' .
In practice it 's even worse , as all communist governments have been so inept they ca n't even manage to feed their citizens .
The economy is so inefficient it manages not to actually function at all .
So how bad it would be in theory is rather moot .
However , the problems , in theory and practice , are all due to allocating resources .
Once you have infinite resources , all the problems with communism magically vanish .
Copyright is a place we 've actually made artificial scarcity .
If we removed it , we 'd have an infinite amount of reproductions and no scarcity of existing works .
Without scarcity , you do n't have to 'decree ' communism...it just happens .
( 1 ) I have an infinite amount of air on my property , hence , I do not charge people for breathing my air .
If I , and everyone else , each had a magical infinite food generator , no one would charge for it , even if you were using someone else 's generator .
( And , of course , on Star Trek , this has happened .
) Of course , removing scarcity from works might make new works hard to come by , as no one would get rewarded .
But with OSS , people have removed the artificial scarcity we added to their stuff , and apparently do n't care about their lack of reward .
Without scarcity , it really does turn into communism , which is n't a dirty word .
1 ) Marx was right about this .
He was wrong in thinking it had already happened , with mostly automated farms and whatnot , and that communism was being stopped because people were being artificially forced into capitalism , but he was right in that , when resources are infinite , or at least more than anyone could need , communism just happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Communism is a shitty way to allocate resources when you need to make any decisions at all.
In theory it's shitty because who gets what resources turns into some political idiocracy, where less efficient factories get more work, where things are shipped where they aren't needed so someone can 'win'.
In practice it's even worse, as all communist governments have been so inept they can't even manage to feed their citizens.
The economy is so inefficient it manages not to actually function at all.
So how bad it would be in theory is rather moot.
However, the problems, in theory and practice, are all due to allocating resources.
Once you have infinite resources, all the problems with communism magically vanish.
Copyright is a place we've actually made artificial scarcity.
If we removed it, we'd have an infinite amount of reproductions and no scarcity of existing works.
Without scarcity, you don't have to 'decree' communism...it just happens.
(1) I have an infinite amount of air on my property, hence, I do not charge people for breathing my air.
If I, and everyone else, each had a magical infinite food generator, no one would charge for it, even if you were using someone else's generator.
(And, of course, on Star Trek, this has happened.
)
Of course, removing scarcity from works might make new works hard to come by, as no one would get rewarded.
But with OSS, people have removed the artificial scarcity we added to their stuff, and apparently don't care about their lack of reward.
Without scarcity, it really does turn into communism, which isn't a dirty word.
1) Marx was right about this.
He was wrong in thinking it had already happened, with mostly automated farms and whatnot, and that communism was being stopped because people were being artificially forced into capitalism, but he was right in that, when resources are infinite, or at least more than anyone could need, communism just happens.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267115640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can go to Hell. You go to Hell and you die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can go to Hell .
You go to Hell and you die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can go to Hell.
You go to Hell and you die.</sentencetext>
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	<title>if everyone ignored the quacks...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265104800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then the world would be a better place.  Although, I kinda like the idea of being a pirate.  I've always wanted to sail the open seas, plundering vessels, going ashore and plundering the village's wenches.  AARRGGG.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then the world would be a better place .
Although , I kinda like the idea of being a pirate .
I 've always wanted to sail the open seas , plundering vessels , going ashore and plundering the village 's wenches .
AARRGGG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then the world would be a better place.
Although, I kinda like the idea of being a pirate.
I've always wanted to sail the open seas, plundering vessels, going ashore and plundering the village's wenches.
AARRGGG.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1265105580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wondered when they'd get around to doing this. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't try it sooner.</p><p>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business. Value is tied to scarcity, so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic. In a field like "intellectual property", where <i>all</i> scarcity is artificial, <i>sharing</i> is viewed as a sin.</p><p>Of course, the real irony here is that artificial scarcity itself is an attack on the capitalist free market. But the free market only appeals to the little guy. To established interests, the free market is a threat. Ergo, companies like Microsoft spend most of their time trying to suppress competition, which is almost guaranteed to work, as opposed to actually competing, which carries a much larger risk of failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wondered when they 'd get around to doing this .
Frankly , I 'm surprised they did n't try it sooner.You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes , clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business .
Value is tied to scarcity , so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic .
In a field like " intellectual property " , where all scarcity is artificial , sharing is viewed as a sin.Of course , the real irony here is that artificial scarcity itself is an attack on the capitalist free market .
But the free market only appeals to the little guy .
To established interests , the free market is a threat .
Ergo , companies like Microsoft spend most of their time trying to suppress competition , which is almost guaranteed to work , as opposed to actually competing , which carries a much larger risk of failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wondered when they'd get around to doing this.
Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't try it sooner.You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.
Value is tied to scarcity, so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic.
In a field like "intellectual property", where all scarcity is artificial, sharing is viewed as a sin.Of course, the real irony here is that artificial scarcity itself is an attack on the capitalist free market.
But the free market only appeals to the little guy.
To established interests, the free market is a threat.
Ergo, companies like Microsoft spend most of their time trying to suppress competition, which is almost guaranteed to work, as opposed to actually competing, which carries a much larger risk of failure.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>jgrahn</author>
	<datestamp>1265110440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration. Now it seems we try to outlaw them. There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work..</p></div></blockquote><p>Don't know about the movie, but there idea is taken already by four books:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration .
Now it seems we try to outlaw them .
There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work..Do n't know about the movie , but there idea is taken already by four books : Matthew , Mark , Luke and John .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration.
Now it seems we try to outlaw them.
There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work..Don't know about the movie, but there idea is taken already by four books:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>sixknowspring</author>
	<datestamp>1267211760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This seems like a pretty ridiculous move to consider opensource on the same level as piracy. Totally unrelated issues at hand here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like a pretty ridiculous move to consider opensource on the same level as piracy .
Totally unrelated issues at hand here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like a pretty ridiculous move to consider opensource on the same level as piracy.
Totally unrelated issues at hand here.</sentencetext>
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	<title>If your commercial products aren't good enough..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265108160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your commercial products aren't good enough to compete, then go on the offensive!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your commercial products are n't good enough to compete , then go on the offensive !
: - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your commercial products aren't good enough to compete, then go on the offensive!
:-(</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31298644</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1267301100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists. And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives.' Neither side of the political debate want a free market. Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests.</p></div><p>False.  Corporatists seek to benefit special interests, and progressives seek to benefit society generally.  You seem to be confusing progressive and liberal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists .
And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives .
' Neither side of the political debate want a free market .
Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests.False .
Corporatists seek to benefit special interests , and progressives seek to benefit society generally .
You seem to be confusing progressive and liberal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one side of the aisle you have the scummy rent-seeking corporatists.
And on the other side you have the anti-corporate socialist 'progressives.
' Neither side of the political debate want a free market.
Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests.False.
Corporatists seek to benefit special interests, and progressives seek to benefit society generally.
You seem to be confusing progressive and liberal.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267436</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Wildclaw</author>
	<datestamp>1265121300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There seems to be a large portion of people who simply can't tell the difference between market value and real value. They think that if you can't make money of it, then it is worthless. To them, oxygen is worthless because no one pays for it. In reality, having large differences between real value and market value is generally preferable as it implies an abundance of goods.</p><p>The scary thing is that these people seem to have a great amount of influence in corporate and governmental circles, under the flag of the free market. When in reality, they are no more free market than a full fledged communist. (No offense meant to the communist. He is'nt the one sailing under false flags)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There seems to be a large portion of people who simply ca n't tell the difference between market value and real value .
They think that if you ca n't make money of it , then it is worthless .
To them , oxygen is worthless because no one pays for it .
In reality , having large differences between real value and market value is generally preferable as it implies an abundance of goods.The scary thing is that these people seem to have a great amount of influence in corporate and governmental circles , under the flag of the free market .
When in reality , they are no more free market than a full fledged communist .
( No offense meant to the communist .
He is'nt the one sailing under false flags )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There seems to be a large portion of people who simply can't tell the difference between market value and real value.
They think that if you can't make money of it, then it is worthless.
To them, oxygen is worthless because no one pays for it.
In reality, having large differences between real value and market value is generally preferable as it implies an abundance of goods.The scary thing is that these people seem to have a great amount of influence in corporate and governmental circles, under the flag of the free market.
When in reality, they are no more free market than a full fledged communist.
(No offense meant to the communist.
He is'nt the one sailing under false flags)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Tanktalus</author>
	<datestamp>1265106540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not equating "value" with "intellectual creation".  It's equating "value" with "payment."  While this can be true for physical goods (my house is worth exactly what I sell it for), it's not quite the same for services (if your employer ever paid you exactly what value you produced for the company, there'd be no profit left for the company).  And, sorry to say, but IP is more like services (intangible) than physical good (tangible).  So it's still a false equation, but slightly different than your supposition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not equating " value " with " intellectual creation " .
It 's equating " value " with " payment .
" While this can be true for physical goods ( my house is worth exactly what I sell it for ) , it 's not quite the same for services ( if your employer ever paid you exactly what value you produced for the company , there 'd be no profit left for the company ) .
And , sorry to say , but IP is more like services ( intangible ) than physical good ( tangible ) .
So it 's still a false equation , but slightly different than your supposition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not equating "value" with "intellectual creation".
It's equating "value" with "payment.
"  While this can be true for physical goods (my house is worth exactly what I sell it for), it's not quite the same for services (if your employer ever paid you exactly what value you produced for the company, there'd be no profit left for the company).
And, sorry to say, but IP is more like services (intangible) than physical good (tangible).
So it's still a false equation, but slightly different than your supposition.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't seen that regulation really brings a halt to corporate bad behavior.  They've got zillions of lawyers and constantly figure ways around the rules or simply decide to pay the fines when caught as part of the expense of doing business.  Many times they simply bribe the regulators as well or get the government to cut funding so there are no inspectors to enforce regulations.  The corporations are the real pirates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't seen that regulation really brings a halt to corporate bad behavior .
They 've got zillions of lawyers and constantly figure ways around the rules or simply decide to pay the fines when caught as part of the expense of doing business .
Many times they simply bribe the regulators as well or get the government to cut funding so there are no inspectors to enforce regulations .
The corporations are the real pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't seen that regulation really brings a halt to corporate bad behavior.
They've got zillions of lawyers and constantly figure ways around the rules or simply decide to pay the fines when caught as part of the expense of doing business.
Many times they simply bribe the regulators as well or get the government to cut funding so there are no inspectors to enforce regulations.
The corporations are the real pirates.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266496</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1265114040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.</p></div><p>This happened in the 90's.  It was called "grunge".  What you predict did not happen.  Instead, we got $60 ripped ugly flannel shirts in department stores.  Sometimes truth is stranger than prediction.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes , clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.This happened in the 90 's .
It was called " grunge " .
What you predict did not happen .
Instead , we got $ 60 ripped ugly flannel shirts in department stores .
Sometimes truth is stranger than prediction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business.This happened in the 90's.
It was called "grunge".
What you predict did not happen.
Instead, we got $60 ripped ugly flannel shirts in department stores.
Sometimes truth is stranger than prediction.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:"IP" != capitalism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually these monopolies are inherent in a capitalist system - which was one of the arguments of many Marxist scholars.  They presented arguments that monopolization was the end goal of all capitalist.  Even in a free market with the supposed ideal of "true" competition the goal of every competing entity is to ensure their victory over others. The only way you can win, is if you somehow limit the ability of your competition.   This is the fundamental flaw with this ideology as you are setting the stage for conflict as opposed to setting a stage for cooperation.  In the "ideal" of free markets competition could come about through innovation and demand.  Competitions would be won based on merit.  The world is not an ideal place and an issue is raised when people falsely believe that a free market would lead to anything other than further oppressive policies.  As another person noted, if the market is totally free than your freedom depends on the will of the wealthy to sell you that right, and your ability to afford it.  In a free market a government is free to tax at will - after all they are selling you your rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually these monopolies are inherent in a capitalist system - which was one of the arguments of many Marxist scholars .
They presented arguments that monopolization was the end goal of all capitalist .
Even in a free market with the supposed ideal of " true " competition the goal of every competing entity is to ensure their victory over others .
The only way you can win , is if you somehow limit the ability of your competition .
This is the fundamental flaw with this ideology as you are setting the stage for conflict as opposed to setting a stage for cooperation .
In the " ideal " of free markets competition could come about through innovation and demand .
Competitions would be won based on merit .
The world is not an ideal place and an issue is raised when people falsely believe that a free market would lead to anything other than further oppressive policies .
As another person noted , if the market is totally free than your freedom depends on the will of the wealthy to sell you that right , and your ability to afford it .
In a free market a government is free to tax at will - after all they are selling you your rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually these monopolies are inherent in a capitalist system - which was one of the arguments of many Marxist scholars.
They presented arguments that monopolization was the end goal of all capitalist.
Even in a free market with the supposed ideal of "true" competition the goal of every competing entity is to ensure their victory over others.
The only way you can win, is if you somehow limit the ability of your competition.
This is the fundamental flaw with this ideology as you are setting the stage for conflict as opposed to setting a stage for cooperation.
In the "ideal" of free markets competition could come about through innovation and demand.
Competitions would be won based on merit.
The world is not an ideal place and an issue is raised when people falsely believe that a free market would lead to anything other than further oppressive policies.
As another person noted, if the market is totally free than your freedom depends on the will of the wealthy to sell you that right, and your ability to afford it.
In a free market a government is free to tax at will - after all they are selling you your rights.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Special 420 list</title>
	<author>priyank\_bolia</author>
	<datestamp>1267128120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But India hasn't been that much contributor to open source, the very idea of open source came from Richard Stallman and his army, who is American (I guess). Most of the open source developers are in US and Europre. I wan't US and France, Germany, and blah blah blah countries on Special 420 list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But India has n't been that much contributor to open source , the very idea of open source came from Richard Stallman and his army , who is American ( I guess ) .
Most of the open source developers are in US and Europre .
I wa n't US and France , Germany , and blah blah blah countries on Special 420 list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But India hasn't been that much contributor to open source, the very idea of open source came from Richard Stallman and his army, who is American (I guess).
Most of the open source developers are in US and Europre.
I wan't US and France, Germany, and blah blah blah countries on Special 420 list.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Should be named...</title>
	<author>MrTripps</author>
	<datestamp>1265106240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Institution of International Pathetic Asshats. Here is what that haven of piracy Canada has to say about it when they were put on the list: "Canada does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis, and we have raised this issue regularly with the U.S. in our bilateral discussions." Even our mild mannered neighborino to the North told them to go suck an egg. I have yet to see any reason why being on that list should bother a country in the slightest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Institution of International Pathetic Asshats .
Here is what that haven of piracy Canada has to say about it when they were put on the list : " Canada does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis , and we have raised this issue regularly with the U.S. in our bilateral discussions .
" Even our mild mannered neighborino to the North told them to go suck an egg .
I have yet to see any reason why being on that list should bother a country in the slightest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Institution of International Pathetic Asshats.
Here is what that haven of piracy Canada has to say about it when they were put on the list: "Canada does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis, and we have raised this issue regularly with the U.S. in our bilateral discussions.
" Even our mild mannered neighborino to the North told them to go suck an egg.
I have yet to see any reason why being on that list should bother a country in the slightest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265196</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265107920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit.</p></div><p>There is a phrase we've all heard, and it is "no good deed goes unpunished."  Simply releasing your code into the Public Domain opens you up to a few avenues of abuse.  At best, a company could copy your code wholesale, make modifications that would break compatibility with your product, and lock the whole thing down when they re-sell it.  You may think that the company is well within their rights to do that, and there are licenses out there that will allow such behavior.  However, the worst case scenario is that a company can swipe your code, make the product, and then turn around and copyright it themselves and sue you for 'infringement.'  You released your code into the Public Domain, so there's no paper trail to convince the judge that you didn't somehow swipe 'their' code and leak it as a free product.  Registering the copyright under an open source license protects you from such litigation by creating a paper trail.  Now, you may have your 'punishment' as something else, like having fear-mongers tell companies that your code comes with too many strings attached, but at least you can shield yourself from litigation or prosecution.  Of course, the folks over at the IIPA want to remove that protection outright.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit.There is a phrase we 've all heard , and it is " no good deed goes unpunished .
" Simply releasing your code into the Public Domain opens you up to a few avenues of abuse .
At best , a company could copy your code wholesale , make modifications that would break compatibility with your product , and lock the whole thing down when they re-sell it .
You may think that the company is well within their rights to do that , and there are licenses out there that will allow such behavior .
However , the worst case scenario is that a company can swipe your code , make the product , and then turn around and copyright it themselves and sue you for 'infringement .
' You released your code into the Public Domain , so there 's no paper trail to convince the judge that you did n't somehow swipe 'their ' code and leak it as a free product .
Registering the copyright under an open source license protects you from such litigation by creating a paper trail .
Now , you may have your 'punishment ' as something else , like having fear-mongers tell companies that your code comes with too many strings attached , but at least you can shield yourself from litigation or prosecution .
Of course , the folks over at the IIPA want to remove that protection outright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit.There is a phrase we've all heard, and it is "no good deed goes unpunished.
"  Simply releasing your code into the Public Domain opens you up to a few avenues of abuse.
At best, a company could copy your code wholesale, make modifications that would break compatibility with your product, and lock the whole thing down when they re-sell it.
You may think that the company is well within their rights to do that, and there are licenses out there that will allow such behavior.
However, the worst case scenario is that a company can swipe your code, make the product, and then turn around and copyright it themselves and sue you for 'infringement.
'  You released your code into the Public Domain, so there's no paper trail to convince the judge that you didn't somehow swipe 'their' code and leak it as a free product.
Registering the copyright under an open source license protects you from such litigation by creating a paper trail.
Now, you may have your 'punishment' as something else, like having fear-mongers tell companies that your code comes with too many strings attached, but at least you can shield yourself from litigation or prosecution.
Of course, the folks over at the IIPA want to remove that protection outright.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Pastafarians unite</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1265108460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're just trying to do something about Global Warming!</p><p>http://www.venganza.org/</p><p>By increasing the number of pirates, they are decreasing global warming!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're just trying to do something about Global Warming ! http : //www.venganza.org/By increasing the number of pirates , they are decreasing global warming !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're just trying to do something about Global Warming!http://www.venganza.org/By increasing the number of pirates, they are decreasing global warming!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265954</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>H0p313ss</author>
	<datestamp>1265111160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... all hell break lose<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>This constitutes my formal apology for the stupid typo... dyslexia, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... all hell break lose ...This constitutes my formal apology for the stupid typo... dyslexia , that 's my excuse and I 'm sticking to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... all hell break lose ...This constitutes my formal apology for the stupid typo... dyslexia, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267122</id>
	<title>Re:Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>xactuary</author>
	<datestamp>1265118360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you're that fellow who reads the articles on Slashdot! It's a real honor to be your first post.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're that fellow who reads the articles on Slashdot !
It 's a real honor to be your first post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're that fellow who reads the articles on Slashdot!
It's a real honor to be your first post.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265830</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267238</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>FixMyPCMike</author>
	<datestamp>1265119440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't even require sleaziness.  As was demonstrated a century ago to Henry Ford's chagrin, management is legally obligated to maximize return to shareholders.  Henry Ford wanted to keep automobiles cheap so everyone could afford them; some of his shareholders wanted cash to start their own car companies.  It didn't matter that Ford's plan was a sound business strategy.  The courts ruled that he had to acquiesce to his shareholders' requests.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't even require sleaziness .
As was demonstrated a century ago to Henry Ford 's chagrin , management is legally obligated to maximize return to shareholders .
Henry Ford wanted to keep automobiles cheap so everyone could afford them ; some of his shareholders wanted cash to start their own car companies .
It did n't matter that Ford 's plan was a sound business strategy .
The courts ruled that he had to acquiesce to his shareholders ' requests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't even require sleaziness.
As was demonstrated a century ago to Henry Ford's chagrin, management is legally obligated to maximize return to shareholders.
Henry Ford wanted to keep automobiles cheap so everyone could afford them; some of his shareholders wanted cash to start their own car companies.
It didn't matter that Ford's plan was a sound business strategy.
The courts ruled that he had to acquiesce to his shareholders' requests.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265136</id>
	<title>Laughing at Idiocy</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265107740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>      Often I have a tendency to laugh at these nut job laws and attempts to strong arm the public by greedy companies. But the sad fact is that these criminals often get their way. It is past time to strike back. Equating free software with piracy is about as sinister as it could get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Often I have a tendency to laugh at these nut job laws and attempts to strong arm the public by greedy companies .
But the sad fact is that these criminals often get their way .
It is past time to strike back .
Equating free software with piracy is about as sinister as it could get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>      Often I have a tendency to laugh at these nut job laws and attempts to strong arm the public by greedy companies.
But the sad fact is that these criminals often get their way.
It is past time to strike back.
Equating free software with piracy is about as sinister as it could get.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264972</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265107080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This thinking is typical of the myopia Capitalism inflicts on it's adherents and apologists, the inability to distinguish between "use value" and "exchange<br>value". Capitalism is all about turning use values for example, air and water, into marketable goods for which money will be exchanged. To do this capitalists must, by limiting production through technical or legal means, create an artificial scarcity . Developers who "give away" their creations through Open Source licenses are guilty of the gravest heresy and must be burned at the stake. For further reference see any of the introductory works of Karl<br>Marx or Thorsten Veblen.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This thinking is typical of the myopia Capitalism inflicts on it 's adherents and apologists , the inability to distinguish between " use value " and " exchangevalue " .
Capitalism is all about turning use values for example , air and water , into marketable goods for which money will be exchanged .
To do this capitalists must , by limiting production through technical or legal means , create an artificial scarcity .
Developers who " give away " their creations through Open Source licenses are guilty of the gravest heresy and must be burned at the stake .
For further reference see any of the introductory works of KarlMarx or Thorsten Veblen .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>This thinking is typical of the myopia Capitalism inflicts on it's adherents and apologists, the inability to distinguish between "use value" and "exchangevalue".
Capitalism is all about turning use values for example, air and water, into marketable goods for which money will be exchanged.
To do this capitalists must, by limiting production through technical or legal means, create an artificial scarcity .
Developers who "give away" their creations through Open Source licenses are guilty of the gravest heresy and must be burned at the stake.
For further reference see any of the introductory works of KarlMarx or Thorsten Veblen.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264516</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This gives me a great idea: Open Source Law Enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This gives me a great idea : Open Source Law Enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This gives me a great idea: Open Source Law Enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265292</id>
	<title>What is this list?</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1265108280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems like a stupid list with no legitimacy.  Honestly, it seems like a petty schoolgirl's list of "people I don't like", where countries get put on it for completely arbitrary reasons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a stupid list with no legitimacy .
Honestly , it seems like a petty schoolgirl 's list of " people I do n't like " , where countries get put on it for completely arbitrary reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a stupid list with no legitimacy.
Honestly, it seems like a petty schoolgirl's list of "people I don't like", where countries get put on it for completely arbitrary reasons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264678</id>
	<title>It takes one to know one...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not an Open Source zealot.  I believe that different licensing models and business models suit different folks.  You make a choice and live with the consequences open source or closed source.  Interestingly, the very folks that find open source fundamentally evil are also users of Open Source.  I seem to recall hearing that several of the feature length animations produced by their members were/are done using rendering farms of systems running<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... wait for it.... Open Source software.  Kind of hard to reconcile this with things like http://www.openexr.org.  I would be surprised if it didn't exist elsewhere in their businesses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not an Open Source zealot .
I believe that different licensing models and business models suit different folks .
You make a choice and live with the consequences open source or closed source .
Interestingly , the very folks that find open source fundamentally evil are also users of Open Source .
I seem to recall hearing that several of the feature length animations produced by their members were/are done using rendering farms of systems running ... wait for it.... Open Source software .
Kind of hard to reconcile this with things like http : //www.openexr.org .
I would be surprised if it did n't exist elsewhere in their businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not an Open Source zealot.
I believe that different licensing models and business models suit different folks.
You make a choice and live with the consequences open source or closed source.
Interestingly, the very folks that find open source fundamentally evil are also users of Open Source.
I seem to recall hearing that several of the feature length animations produced by their members were/are done using rendering farms of systems running ... wait for it.... Open Source software.
Kind of hard to reconcile this with things like http://www.openexr.org.
I would be surprised if it didn't exist elsewhere in their businesses.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265636</id>
	<title>Re:This could get fun</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265109720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple would be pretty much killed on sight since all there products run on either OSX or a modified version which is programmed from UNIX ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx</a> [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org] ) (which is open sourced) and the open source Mach Kernel from BSD ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach\_kernel" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach\_kernel</a> [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org] ).</p></div></blockquote><p>The Mach kernel isn't from University of California at Berkeley.  It's from Carnegie Mellon.  NeXT used a combination of the Mach kernel and one of the BSD variants as part of NeXTstep.  When Apple bought NeXT, that combination carried over into the lower levels of Mac OS X.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple would be pretty much killed on sight since all there products run on either OSX or a modified version which is programmed from UNIX ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx [ wikipedia.org ] [ wikipedia.org ] ) ( which is open sourced ) and the open source Mach Kernel from BSD ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach \ _kernel [ wikipedia.org ] [ wikipedia.org ] ) .The Mach kernel is n't from University of California at Berkeley .
It 's from Carnegie Mellon .
NeXT used a combination of the Mach kernel and one of the BSD variants as part of NeXTstep .
When Apple bought NeXT , that combination carried over into the lower levels of Mac OS X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple would be pretty much killed on sight since all there products run on either OSX or a modified version which is programmed from UNIX ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osx [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org] ) (which is open sourced) and the open source Mach Kernel from BSD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach\_kernel [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org] ).The Mach kernel isn't from University of California at Berkeley.
It's from Carnegie Mellon.
NeXT used a combination of the Mach kernel and one of the BSD variants as part of NeXTstep.
When Apple bought NeXT, that combination carried over into the lower levels of Mac OS X.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267464</id>
	<title>Is www.iipa.com running opensource?</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1265121420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nmap seems to think they are running Sun Solaris. You can not tell me there is not at least one open source application on that service with that list of ports.</p><p>PORT      STATE  SERVICE<br>20/tcp    closed ftp-data<br>21/tcp    open   ftp<br>25/tcp    open   smtp<br>80/tcp    open   http<br>110/tcp   open   pop3<br>113/tcp   closed auth<br>143/tcp   open   imap<br>443/tcp   open   https<br>587/tcp   open   submission<br>636/tcp   open   ldapssl<br>993/tcp   open   imaps<br>995/tcp   open   pop3s<br>50000/tcp closed iiimsf<br>50002/tcp closed iiimsf</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nmap seems to think they are running Sun Solaris .
You can not tell me there is not at least one open source application on that service with that list of ports.PORT STATE SERVICE20/tcp closed ftp-data21/tcp open ftp25/tcp open smtp80/tcp open http110/tcp open pop3113/tcp closed auth143/tcp open imap443/tcp open https587/tcp open submission636/tcp open ldapssl993/tcp open imaps995/tcp open pop3s50000/tcp closed iiimsf50002/tcp closed iiimsf</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nmap seems to think they are running Sun Solaris.
You can not tell me there is not at least one open source application on that service with that list of ports.PORT      STATE  SERVICE20/tcp    closed ftp-data21/tcp    open   ftp25/tcp    open   smtp80/tcp    open   http110/tcp   open   pop3113/tcp   closed auth143/tcp   open   imap443/tcp   open   https587/tcp   open   submission636/tcp   open   ldapssl993/tcp   open   imaps995/tcp   open   pop3s50000/tcp closed iiimsf50002/tcp closed iiimsf</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266558</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1265114520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?</p></div><p>an eye patch?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note , or better yet , a bug report or patch ? an eye patch ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?an eye patch?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265042</id>
	<title>PRESIDENT MADAGASCAR!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265107320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Office pedant: President Madagascar! An asshat Washington lobbyist group is calling Open Source software piracy?</p><p>President Madagascar: Pedant? Shut down the Internet! NOW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Office pedant : President Madagascar !
An asshat Washington lobbyist group is calling Open Source software piracy ? President Madagascar : Pedant ?
Shut down the Internet !
NOW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Office pedant: President Madagascar!
An asshat Washington lobbyist group is calling Open Source software piracy?President Madagascar: Pedant?
Shut down the Internet!
NOW!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31281916</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>jakykong</author>
	<datestamp>1267124340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the other hand, one could argue, that in a properly functioning free market, the sleazy business practices shouldn't last long. Sadly, human nature being the way it is, that's a pipe dream.<br> <br>

It seems that a balance has to be struck -- regulation that inhibits universally bad behavior, but <i>no</i> regulation inhibiting otherwise harmless behavior that may just irk customers. That balance hasn't been struck (whereas before we were on the too-little-regulation side of things, now we've swung way too far in the other direction).<br> <br>

Actually, I think food labels offer an interesting example to look at. The FDA mandates that foods have a nutrition label and list their ingredients (and a few other related requirements). Nothing else changed about the food laws (that I can think of, anyway), and the market forces at work (Americans [slowly] becoming more health-conscious, etc.) are pushing food toward where consumers want it to be. No actual regulation of the ingredients of the foods was required to cause that to happen. I wonder what sort of similar model could be applied to corporations to make the same sort of change come about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , one could argue , that in a properly functioning free market , the sleazy business practices should n't last long .
Sadly , human nature being the way it is , that 's a pipe dream .
It seems that a balance has to be struck -- regulation that inhibits universally bad behavior , but no regulation inhibiting otherwise harmless behavior that may just irk customers .
That balance has n't been struck ( whereas before we were on the too-little-regulation side of things , now we 've swung way too far in the other direction ) .
Actually , I think food labels offer an interesting example to look at .
The FDA mandates that foods have a nutrition label and list their ingredients ( and a few other related requirements ) .
Nothing else changed about the food laws ( that I can think of , anyway ) , and the market forces at work ( Americans [ slowly ] becoming more health-conscious , etc .
) are pushing food toward where consumers want it to be .
No actual regulation of the ingredients of the foods was required to cause that to happen .
I wonder what sort of similar model could be applied to corporations to make the same sort of change come about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, one could argue, that in a properly functioning free market, the sleazy business practices shouldn't last long.
Sadly, human nature being the way it is, that's a pipe dream.
It seems that a balance has to be struck -- regulation that inhibits universally bad behavior, but no regulation inhibiting otherwise harmless behavior that may just irk customers.
That balance hasn't been struck (whereas before we were on the too-little-regulation side of things, now we've swung way too far in the other direction).
Actually, I think food labels offer an interesting example to look at.
The FDA mandates that foods have a nutrition label and list their ingredients (and a few other related requirements).
Nothing else changed about the food laws (that I can think of, anyway), and the market forces at work (Americans [slowly] becoming more health-conscious, etc.
) are pushing food toward where consumers want it to be.
No actual regulation of the ingredients of the foods was required to cause that to happen.
I wonder what sort of similar model could be applied to corporations to make the same sort of change come about?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266804</id>
	<title>Is a man not entitled...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265116200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because when the market is allowed to run free, far beyond what the weak-minded regulators envisioned of it, it definitely doesn't cause any problems. That's why me and my friends are going to build a capitalist paradise at the bottom of the ocean, where we can develop science and industry without interference, and <i>nothing will go wrong at all</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because when the market is allowed to run free , far beyond what the weak-minded regulators envisioned of it , it definitely does n't cause any problems .
That 's why me and my friends are going to build a capitalist paradise at the bottom of the ocean , where we can develop science and industry without interference , and nothing will go wrong at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because when the market is allowed to run free, far beyond what the weak-minded regulators envisioned of it, it definitely doesn't cause any problems.
That's why me and my friends are going to build a capitalist paradise at the bottom of the ocean, where we can develop science and industry without interference, and nothing will go wrong at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266636</id>
	<title>First I'm a Pirate!</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1265115060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then I use Open Source!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then I use Open Source !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then I use Open Source!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264750</id>
	<title>Age old strategy</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265106060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can get the government to make consumption of your product <b>mandatory</b>, then you're set for life. This is just like the single company in the US that manufactured catalytic converters lobbying congress not to mandate emissions standards, but to mandate that all cars be equipped with a catalytic converter -- regardless of their emissions. They've been mandatory since 1975 despite the fact that they <a href="http://www.ehow.com/about\_5059163\_catalytic-converters.html" title="ehow.com">reduce horse power and fuel economy</a> [ehow.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can get the government to make consumption of your product mandatory , then you 're set for life .
This is just like the single company in the US that manufactured catalytic converters lobbying congress not to mandate emissions standards , but to mandate that all cars be equipped with a catalytic converter -- regardless of their emissions .
They 've been mandatory since 1975 despite the fact that they reduce horse power and fuel economy [ ehow.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can get the government to make consumption of your product mandatory, then you're set for life.
This is just like the single company in the US that manufactured catalytic converters lobbying congress not to mandate emissions standards, but to mandate that all cars be equipped with a catalytic converter -- regardless of their emissions.
They've been mandatory since 1975 despite the fact that they reduce horse power and fuel economy [ehow.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31267164</id>
	<title>Re:The USA Government</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1265118660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Since the fall of the republic last year we have converted to a fascist state.</p></div><p>Only happened last year, did it?</p><p>Sorry; government will not save you no matter who happens to be in office.  Obama is just Bush with an IQ over 70.</p><p>People seem to swing between wanting smart and stupid representatives.  --I mean, Palin is an utter retard, so she'll probably get into office (if there <i>is</i> an office in a few years time) because most people now are retards as well and they function comfortably on her level of stupid.  (It's all that toxic food, TV, video game and cell phone usage, I think.  You can manufacture retards very easily; just poison/attack the central nervous system and feed it idiocy during its formative years, and bingo!  Retards!  --That is, people who respond to the emotional manipulations and logical fallacies presented to the world by FOX and their clones.)</p><p>But even if a certified genius got into office, s/he'd still be evil.  Nobody gets in unless the Rockefeller gang gives you the stamp of approval.  We knew early on during the primaries, (though I lived in denial for a while because I'm a big chump), that Obama was just another evil clone because all the wrong people were giving him the green light.</p><p>-FL</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the fall of the republic last year we have converted to a fascist state.Only happened last year , did it ? Sorry ; government will not save you no matter who happens to be in office .
Obama is just Bush with an IQ over 70.People seem to swing between wanting smart and stupid representatives .
--I mean , Palin is an utter retard , so she 'll probably get into office ( if there is an office in a few years time ) because most people now are retards as well and they function comfortably on her level of stupid .
( It 's all that toxic food , TV , video game and cell phone usage , I think .
You can manufacture retards very easily ; just poison/attack the central nervous system and feed it idiocy during its formative years , and bingo !
Retards ! --That is , people who respond to the emotional manipulations and logical fallacies presented to the world by FOX and their clones .
) But even if a certified genius got into office , s/he 'd still be evil .
Nobody gets in unless the Rockefeller gang gives you the stamp of approval .
We knew early on during the primaries , ( though I lived in denial for a while because I 'm a big chump ) , that Obama was just another evil clone because all the wrong people were giving him the green light.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the fall of the republic last year we have converted to a fascist state.Only happened last year, did it?Sorry; government will not save you no matter who happens to be in office.
Obama is just Bush with an IQ over 70.People seem to swing between wanting smart and stupid representatives.
--I mean, Palin is an utter retard, so she'll probably get into office (if there is an office in a few years time) because most people now are retards as well and they function comfortably on her level of stupid.
(It's all that toxic food, TV, video game and cell phone usage, I think.
You can manufacture retards very easily; just poison/attack the central nervous system and feed it idiocy during its formative years, and bingo!
Retards!  --That is, people who respond to the emotional manipulations and logical fallacies presented to the world by FOX and their clones.
)But even if a certified genius got into office, s/he'd still be evil.
Nobody gets in unless the Rockefeller gang gives you the stamp of approval.
We knew early on during the primaries, (though I lived in denial for a while because I'm a big chump), that Obama was just another evil clone because all the wrong people were giving him the green light.-FL
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264582</id>
	<title>Not surprising</title>
	<author>Bullfish</author>
	<datestamp>1265105340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not the first time that open source has been accused of being a vector for illegal activity, also, it has been labeled as communist

<a href="http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/bparchive?year=2007&amp;post=2007-05-14,1" title="upenn.edu">http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/bparchive?year=2007&amp;post=2007-05-14,1</a> [upenn.edu]

<a href="http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep\_newsocialism" title="wired.com">http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep\_newsocialism</a> [wired.com]

Those are just two mild examples</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not the first time that open source has been accused of being a vector for illegal activity , also , it has been labeled as communist http : //onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/bparchive ? year = 2007&amp;post = 2007-05-14,1 [ upenn.edu ] http : //www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep \ _newsocialism [ wired.com ] Those are just two mild examples</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not the first time that open source has been accused of being a vector for illegal activity, also, it has been labeled as communist

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/bparchive?year=2007&amp;post=2007-05-14,1 [upenn.edu]

http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep\_newsocialism [wired.com]

Those are just two mild examples</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266818</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>WeatherGod</author>
	<datestamp>1265116320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was just in a clothing store the other day because they had a sale on jeans.  Prominently displayed were the jeans that had purposely placed wear-holes and slightly worn colors.  I had to ask for where the regular, unadulterated jeans were.  They were in the back corner of the store.</p><p>The point is that companies are stupidly trying to compete with Goodwill by creating a crapier product and charge the same price.  Fairly standard operating procedure.  You give them too much credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was just in a clothing store the other day because they had a sale on jeans .
Prominently displayed were the jeans that had purposely placed wear-holes and slightly worn colors .
I had to ask for where the regular , unadulterated jeans were .
They were in the back corner of the store.The point is that companies are stupidly trying to compete with Goodwill by creating a crapier product and charge the same price .
Fairly standard operating procedure .
You give them too much credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was just in a clothing store the other day because they had a sale on jeans.
Prominently displayed were the jeans that had purposely placed wear-holes and slightly worn colors.
I had to ask for where the regular, unadulterated jeans were.
They were in the back corner of the store.The point is that companies are stupidly trying to compete with Goodwill by creating a crapier product and charge the same price.
Fairly standard operating procedure.
You give them too much credit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269942</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>polle404</author>
	<datestamp>1267093560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.</p></div><p>Right!<br>
FOSS is not an intellectual creation, nor does it have value!<br>
We need to gouge the eyes out of people going to the free museums, since they clearly did NOT pay for the original work of art, they're experiencing!<br>
Somewhere, someone is NOT being payed for that, and that's a crime!<br>
<br>...darn Communist-socialist-pirate-Che-fanboy-FOSS-developer/users!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market , irrespective of the development model , it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.Right !
FOSS is not an intellectual creation , nor does it have value !
We need to gouge the eyes out of people going to the free museums , since they clearly did NOT pay for the original work of art , they 're experiencing !
Somewhere , someone is NOT being payed for that , and that 's a crime !
...darn Communist-socialist-pirate-Che-fanboy-FOSS-developer/users !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.Right!
FOSS is not an intellectual creation, nor does it have value!
We need to gouge the eyes out of people going to the free museums, since they clearly did NOT pay for the original work of art, they're experiencing!
Somewhere, someone is NOT being payed for that, and that's a crime!
...darn Communist-socialist-pirate-Che-fanboy-FOSS-developer/users!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266792</id>
	<title>Re:After Reading The IIPA Documents</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1265116080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access and what they consider to be a non-illegal but misguided solution to the problem of piracy. They're not saying that using OSS users are pirates.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's what I thought, so I read their report on Indonesia. (Search google for site:iipa.com open source)</p><p>They actually say that this is WORSE than piracy.  Hopefully they get laughed out of the office.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access and what they consider to be a non-illegal but misguided solution to the problem of piracy .
They 're not saying that using OSS users are pirates.That 's what I thought , so I read their report on Indonesia .
( Search google for site : iipa.com open source ) They actually say that this is WORSE than piracy .
Hopefully they get laughed out of the office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I believe the IIPA is saying that mandates to use open source without considering other alternatives is something they see as a barrier to market access and what they consider to be a non-illegal but misguided solution to the problem of piracy.
They're not saying that using OSS users are pirates.That's what I thought, so I read their report on Indonesia.
(Search google for site:iipa.com open source)They actually say that this is WORSE than piracy.
Hopefully they get laughed out of the office.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31281922</id>
	<title>Yo buccaneers</title>
	<author>akayani</author>
	<datestamp>1267124400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yo buccaneers, hoist the Jolly Rodger and kealhaul the chair throwing scrubber!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo buccaneers , hoist the Jolly Rodger and kealhaul the chair throwing scrubber !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo buccaneers, hoist the Jolly Rodger and kealhaul the chair throwing scrubber!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264866</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe <b>buy the developer a beer</b> or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?</p></div><p>I am envisioning a new service along the lines of pay-pall where you could buy a beer for your developer of choice to be collected at their leisure at their local pub...  something along the lines of micro-payments but with micro-brew.</p><p>-I just may have to develop such a system, or at least spend many hours at my local pub researching it...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note , or better yet , a bug report or patch ? I am envisioning a new service along the lines of pay-pall where you could buy a beer for your developer of choice to be collected at their leisure at their local pub... something along the lines of micro-payments but with micro-brew.-I just may have to develop such a system , or at least spend many hours at my local pub researching it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?I am envisioning a new service along the lines of pay-pall where you could buy a beer for your developer of choice to be collected at their leisure at their local pub...  something along the lines of micro-payments but with micro-brew.-I just may have to develop such a system, or at least spend many hours at my local pub researching it...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31270248</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267097340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem is that companies do unscrupulous things in the absence of regulation.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/----/ How about using melamine in milk to maximize profits?</p></div><p>Bad example. The melamien scam was contrived as an attempt of cheating regulations.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that companies do unscrupulous things in the absence of regulation .
/----/ How about using melamine in milk to maximize profits ? Bad example .
The melamien scam was contrived as an attempt of cheating regulations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that companies do unscrupulous things in the absence of regulation.
/----/ How about using melamine in milk to maximize profits?Bad example.
The melamien scam was contrived as an attempt of cheating regulations.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31268632</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265133000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.</p></div><p>And the short times ends when, as in 2008, the market brings the world economy to its knees.</p><p>Even Alan Greenspan has admitted that failing to regulate derivatives and hedge funds was a mistake.</p><p>Greenspan once remarked that the free market was worth maintaining because the benefits outweighed the disadvantages.</p><p>Whoever he was speaking to (does anyone know, I can't recall) replied that unfortunately the people who suffer the disadvantages are not the same people who reap the benefits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces , for a short time , the long arm of political meddling.And the short times ends when , as in 2008 , the market brings the world economy to its knees.Even Alan Greenspan has admitted that failing to regulate derivatives and hedge funds was a mistake.Greenspan once remarked that the free market was worth maintaining because the benefits outweighed the disadvantages.Whoever he was speaking to ( does anyone know , I ca n't recall ) replied that unfortunately the people who suffer the disadvantages are not the same people who reap the benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only times the free market has ever truly reigned is when it explodes and outpaces, for a short time, the long arm of political meddling.And the short times ends when, as in 2008, the market brings the world economy to its knees.Even Alan Greenspan has admitted that failing to regulate derivatives and hedge funds was a mistake.Greenspan once remarked that the free market was worth maintaining because the benefits outweighed the disadvantages.Whoever he was speaking to (does anyone know, I can't recall) replied that unfortunately the people who suffer the disadvantages are not the same people who reap the benefits.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269272</id>
	<title>Corporation? Then your're a Domestic Terrorist</title>
	<author>myspace-cn</author>
	<datestamp>1265140200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your a Commercial Broadcast Station, your part of the largest most <a href="http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html" title="neopagan.net" rel="nofollow">dangerous cult on Earth</a> [neopagan.net] and all you spew is fascist propaganda, and "psyop fluff noise" to keep the public from being informed about the real shit that fuckin matters.</p><p>If your a Representative, your an <a href="http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/705-Anyone-Swear-An-Oath-To-The-Constitution.html" title="denninger.net" rel="nofollow">OATH BREAKER</a> [denninger.net]<br>(an exception for Ron Paul and Kucinich - except what does it matter? In an age of electronic vote tabulation devices which have broken the chain of custody, elections are now whatever bullshit officials say they are)</p><p>If your a Corporation, your the new Mafia, except you use soft weapons to kill now.</p><p>Which brings us to HOW do they do this?</p><p>BANKS.</p><p>How do they get away with it?</p><p>Senators broke their OATH OF OFFICE<br>Senators of BOTH "(R) and (D)"</p><p>You have NO representation.<br>Your Senator doesn't give a fuck what you say.<br>You can't vote em out cause the media makes them be the only one on your ballot, and the electronic vote tabulation devices do the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your a Commercial Broadcast Station , your part of the largest most dangerous cult on Earth [ neopagan.net ] and all you spew is fascist propaganda , and " psyop fluff noise " to keep the public from being informed about the real shit that fuckin matters.If your a Representative , your an OATH BREAKER [ denninger.net ] ( an exception for Ron Paul and Kucinich - except what does it matter ?
In an age of electronic vote tabulation devices which have broken the chain of custody , elections are now whatever bullshit officials say they are ) If your a Corporation , your the new Mafia , except you use soft weapons to kill now.Which brings us to HOW do they do this ? BANKS.How do they get away with it ? Senators broke their OATH OF OFFICESenators of BOTH " ( R ) and ( D ) " You have NO representation.Your Senator does n't give a fuck what you say.You ca n't vote em out cause the media makes them be the only one on your ballot , and the electronic vote tabulation devices do the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your a Commercial Broadcast Station, your part of the largest most dangerous cult on Earth [neopagan.net] and all you spew is fascist propaganda, and "psyop fluff noise" to keep the public from being informed about the real shit that fuckin matters.If your a Representative, your an OATH BREAKER [denninger.net](an exception for Ron Paul and Kucinich - except what does it matter?
In an age of electronic vote tabulation devices which have broken the chain of custody, elections are now whatever bullshit officials say they are)If your a Corporation, your the new Mafia, except you use soft weapons to kill now.Which brings us to HOW do they do this?BANKS.How do they get away with it?Senators broke their OATH OF OFFICESenators of BOTH "(R) and (D)"You have NO representation.Your Senator doesn't give a fuck what you say.You can't vote em out cause the media makes them be the only one on your ballot, and the electronic vote tabulation devices do the rest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264684</id>
	<title>now they fight FOSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm probably the Nth person to quote this, but it's so fitting:<br>
<br>
&quot;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, <i>then they fight you</i>, then you win.&quot;</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm probably the Nth person to quote this , but it 's so fitting : " First they ignore you , then they laugh at you , then they fight you , then you win .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm probably the Nth person to quote this, but it's so fitting:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31271304</id>
	<title>Re:Hide your source code ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267108860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always believed that the obfuscation of source code should be classified as a method of circumventing the GPL and other Copyleft licenses. We should start sending some takedown notices. Best part about the DMCA is that we don't even have to be right!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always believed that the obfuscation of source code should be classified as a method of circumventing the GPL and other Copyleft licenses .
We should start sending some takedown notices .
Best part about the DMCA is that we do n't even have to be right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always believed that the obfuscation of source code should be classified as a method of circumventing the GPL and other Copyleft licenses.
We should start sending some takedown notices.
Best part about the DMCA is that we don't even have to be right!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264616</id>
	<title>Well, to their checkbooks...</title>
	<author>CorporateSuit</author>
	<datestamp>1265105520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>To their checkbooks it is equivalent to piracy.  However, if they view legitimate (albeit free) competition as criminal, then they are admitting to their monopoly and/or price fixing.  If their competition releases equivalent software for free, then their justifications to sell software licenses for $90+ are unsound and possibly illegal.  If they want piracy to equal using open source solutions, then instead of going to an open source solution, I should have no moral qualms of pirating software.  Thanks to them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>To their checkbooks it is equivalent to piracy .
However , if they view legitimate ( albeit free ) competition as criminal , then they are admitting to their monopoly and/or price fixing .
If their competition releases equivalent software for free , then their justifications to sell software licenses for $ 90 + are unsound and possibly illegal .
If they want piracy to equal using open source solutions , then instead of going to an open source solution , I should have no moral qualms of pirating software .
Thanks to them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To their checkbooks it is equivalent to piracy.
However, if they view legitimate (albeit free) competition as criminal, then they are admitting to their monopoly and/or price fixing.
If their competition releases equivalent software for free, then their justifications to sell software licenses for $90+ are unsound and possibly illegal.
If they want piracy to equal using open source solutions, then instead of going to an open source solution, I should have no moral qualms of pirating software.
Thanks to them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264934</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering the result of the "simulated cyber war" last week this might be a fight the geeks can win!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the result of the " simulated cyber war " last week this might be a fight the geeks can win !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the result of the "simulated cyber war" last week this might be a fight the geeks can win!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265992</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Courageous</author>
	<datestamp>1265111280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist.</i></p><p>Well, perhaps everyone else is right. From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need. Yes, open source is one of the rare cases of communism actually working. Isn't it funny that we're so caught up in the use of the word as a pejorative, that were unable to consider the actual facts?</p><p>C//</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As everyone else is pointing out , that makes you a Communist.Well , perhaps everyone else is right .
From each according to their abilities , to each according to their need .
Yes , open source is one of the rare cases of communism actually working .
Is n't it funny that we 're so caught up in the use of the word as a pejorative , that were unable to consider the actual facts ? C//</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist.Well, perhaps everyone else is right.
From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need.
Yes, open source is one of the rare cases of communism actually working.
Isn't it funny that we're so caught up in the use of the word as a pejorative, that were unable to consider the actual facts?C//</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266790</id>
	<title>Re:Flawed Summary</title>
	<author>vik</author>
	<datestamp>1265116080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think you'll get apathetic sheeple and consumers off their arses with anything less than unrealisitic claims of Armageddon and catastrophe these days? They're so stunned by reports like "Oh, we wiped out another wedding party? Well, that's because we're just doing our job" that they no longer give a damn about real news. More interested in who Lindsay Lohan is shacking up with.</p><p>We are dealing with an opposition that is creating things like ACTA and trying to impose them on the world in secret - just to bypass those who are not completely apathetic. Then the same governments try to increase surveillance powers by saying "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear." So show us the ACTA draft then!</p><p>You're right. The author's angle is viewing things from a biased perspective. This is fortunate because the buggers pushing the rules are doing so too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think you 'll get apathetic sheeple and consumers off their arses with anything less than unrealisitic claims of Armageddon and catastrophe these days ?
They 're so stunned by reports like " Oh , we wiped out another wedding party ?
Well , that 's because we 're just doing our job " that they no longer give a damn about real news .
More interested in who Lindsay Lohan is shacking up with.We are dealing with an opposition that is creating things like ACTA and trying to impose them on the world in secret - just to bypass those who are not completely apathetic .
Then the same governments try to increase surveillance powers by saying " Nothing to hide , nothing to fear .
" So show us the ACTA draft then ! You 're right .
The author 's angle is viewing things from a biased perspective .
This is fortunate because the buggers pushing the rules are doing so too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think you'll get apathetic sheeple and consumers off their arses with anything less than unrealisitic claims of Armageddon and catastrophe these days?
They're so stunned by reports like "Oh, we wiped out another wedding party?
Well, that's because we're just doing our job" that they no longer give a damn about real news.
More interested in who Lindsay Lohan is shacking up with.We are dealing with an opposition that is creating things like ACTA and trying to impose them on the world in secret - just to bypass those who are not completely apathetic.
Then the same governments try to increase surveillance powers by saying "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
" So show us the ACTA draft then!You're right.
The author's angle is viewing things from a biased perspective.
This is fortunate because the buggers pushing the rules are doing so too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31273946</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267121760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just don't forget that the biggest, fattest, most polluting, corporation in the United States republic is Federal government. No other corporation even comes close. Competitive advantage drives any business to success and in turn expansion until their competitive advantage dries up under the weight of inefficiency. The exclusive right to use violence to conduct its business is a competitive advantage that can not beat. Profit is guaranteed ultimately at gun point not just against the consumer but most importantly the producer.<br>
&nbsp; <br>There will always be dirty businesses, but the safest prospect is to empower people to be informed and protect themselves from unscrupulous individuals. It is the only way for the individual to survive. Capitalism is the freedom of individuals or groups of individuals to own and use property as they please, and while socialism sounds great, ultimately someone is controlling it. Capitalism is distributed power while socialism is centralized. The system is great when you are getting what you want from it, but as history has shown, if you are not an inside party member you just better be happy with what you get, or else.<br>
&nbsp; <br>You may demonize big businesses like Microsoft or Wal-Mart, but they were small businesses once. It may seem like those companies have strangled options, or maybe you don't make enough money to shop anywhere but Walmart for which you may be grateful or resentful, but there are other options. But compare that to the business of government: Don't shop at Walmart, switch to Linux, and either stop having your employer deduct any taxes or just stop paying depending on your situation. See who comes after you first, how hard, and with what kinds of threats.<br>
&nbsp; <br>People create problems, and people fix problems. Businesses are either long lasting or short lived. By any measure Government is held to and standard, it is the lowest standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just do n't forget that the biggest , fattest , most polluting , corporation in the United States republic is Federal government .
No other corporation even comes close .
Competitive advantage drives any business to success and in turn expansion until their competitive advantage dries up under the weight of inefficiency .
The exclusive right to use violence to conduct its business is a competitive advantage that can not beat .
Profit is guaranteed ultimately at gun point not just against the consumer but most importantly the producer .
  There will always be dirty businesses , but the safest prospect is to empower people to be informed and protect themselves from unscrupulous individuals .
It is the only way for the individual to survive .
Capitalism is the freedom of individuals or groups of individuals to own and use property as they please , and while socialism sounds great , ultimately someone is controlling it .
Capitalism is distributed power while socialism is centralized .
The system is great when you are getting what you want from it , but as history has shown , if you are not an inside party member you just better be happy with what you get , or else .
  You may demonize big businesses like Microsoft or Wal-Mart , but they were small businesses once .
It may seem like those companies have strangled options , or maybe you do n't make enough money to shop anywhere but Walmart for which you may be grateful or resentful , but there are other options .
But compare that to the business of government : Do n't shop at Walmart , switch to Linux , and either stop having your employer deduct any taxes or just stop paying depending on your situation .
See who comes after you first , how hard , and with what kinds of threats .
  People create problems , and people fix problems .
Businesses are either long lasting or short lived .
By any measure Government is held to and standard , it is the lowest standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just don't forget that the biggest, fattest, most polluting, corporation in the United States republic is Federal government.
No other corporation even comes close.
Competitive advantage drives any business to success and in turn expansion until their competitive advantage dries up under the weight of inefficiency.
The exclusive right to use violence to conduct its business is a competitive advantage that can not beat.
Profit is guaranteed ultimately at gun point not just against the consumer but most importantly the producer.
  There will always be dirty businesses, but the safest prospect is to empower people to be informed and protect themselves from unscrupulous individuals.
It is the only way for the individual to survive.
Capitalism is the freedom of individuals or groups of individuals to own and use property as they please, and while socialism sounds great, ultimately someone is controlling it.
Capitalism is distributed power while socialism is centralized.
The system is great when you are getting what you want from it, but as history has shown, if you are not an inside party member you just better be happy with what you get, or else.
  You may demonize big businesses like Microsoft or Wal-Mart, but they were small businesses once.
It may seem like those companies have strangled options, or maybe you don't make enough money to shop anywhere but Walmart for which you may be grateful or resentful, but there are other options.
But compare that to the business of government: Don't shop at Walmart, switch to Linux, and either stop having your employer deduct any taxes or just stop paying depending on your situation.
See who comes after you first, how hard, and with what kinds of threats.
  People create problems, and people fix problems.
Businesses are either long lasting or short lived.
By any measure Government is held to and standard, it is the lowest standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266880</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>bnenning</author>
	<datestamp>1265116680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I'm sure you apply similar reasoning when analyzing the socialist policies of Stalin and Mao.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I 'm sure you apply similar reasoning when analyzing the socialist policies of Stalin and Mao .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I'm sure you apply similar reasoning when analyzing the socialist policies of Stalin and Mao.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264446</id>
	<title>In before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265104920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First post!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First post !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First post!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265586</id>
	<title>Hah!  Our own government uses Open Source a lot!</title>
	<author>MadMorf</author>
	<datestamp>1265109540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how that will work out?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how that will work out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how that will work out?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264544</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You get a free pirate eye patch signed by Linus Torvalds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You get a free pirate eye patch signed by Linus Torvalds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get a free pirate eye patch signed by Linus Torvalds.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269146</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265139000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations"</i></p><p>In other words, their minds are open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations " In other words , their minds are open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations"In other words, their minds are open.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31274650</id>
	<title>Re:Corporations are Inherently Amoral</title>
	<author>Tug3</author>
	<datestamp>1267123920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Actually this is not capitalism that this lobby group is supporting. They are actually fiercly against capitalism and free markets. They are promoting corporatism which is actually closer to Russian-communism and far from capitalism.
</p><p>
Russian-communism as opposed to real communism. The communism that we all know from TV is the Russian-communism, where you have/had a small elite of the Party that control the whole country, sucking off the blood of the average Igor until he's dry. The corporatism is exactly the same, except instead of the Party, you have the Corporation, or more precisely a small number of Corporate elite sucking the blood of average Joe until he's dry.
</p><p>
In capitalism you have a choise of selling your goods or services. You have the choise of giving your goods or services for free too, if you so wish. There is nothing in capitalism that prevents you doing that. Actually it can be an excellent business model too. Give an oil lamp for free and make profit selling oil for it. - Give your software free and make profit by selling training, customisation and support for it.
</p><p>
OSS is very capitalistic, and in it's most pure and working sense. You are doing something for free with the hope of profiting from it in the future. That is the core and heart of any entrepreneur, ie. capitalist.
</p><p>
As for morality I agree; Russian-communism and Corporatism inherently have none. Capitalism may or may not be moral, that depends on the capitalist's own values.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this is not capitalism that this lobby group is supporting .
They are actually fiercly against capitalism and free markets .
They are promoting corporatism which is actually closer to Russian-communism and far from capitalism .
Russian-communism as opposed to real communism .
The communism that we all know from TV is the Russian-communism , where you have/had a small elite of the Party that control the whole country , sucking off the blood of the average Igor until he 's dry .
The corporatism is exactly the same , except instead of the Party , you have the Corporation , or more precisely a small number of Corporate elite sucking the blood of average Joe until he 's dry .
In capitalism you have a choise of selling your goods or services .
You have the choise of giving your goods or services for free too , if you so wish .
There is nothing in capitalism that prevents you doing that .
Actually it can be an excellent business model too .
Give an oil lamp for free and make profit selling oil for it .
- Give your software free and make profit by selling training , customisation and support for it .
OSS is very capitalistic , and in it 's most pure and working sense .
You are doing something for free with the hope of profiting from it in the future .
That is the core and heart of any entrepreneur , ie .
capitalist . As for morality I agree ; Russian-communism and Corporatism inherently have none .
Capitalism may or may not be moral , that depends on the capitalist 's own values .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Actually this is not capitalism that this lobby group is supporting.
They are actually fiercly against capitalism and free markets.
They are promoting corporatism which is actually closer to Russian-communism and far from capitalism.
Russian-communism as opposed to real communism.
The communism that we all know from TV is the Russian-communism, where you have/had a small elite of the Party that control the whole country, sucking off the blood of the average Igor until he's dry.
The corporatism is exactly the same, except instead of the Party, you have the Corporation, or more precisely a small number of Corporate elite sucking the blood of average Joe until he's dry.
In capitalism you have a choise of selling your goods or services.
You have the choise of giving your goods or services for free too, if you so wish.
There is nothing in capitalism that prevents you doing that.
Actually it can be an excellent business model too.
Give an oil lamp for free and make profit selling oil for it.
- Give your software free and make profit by selling training, customisation and support for it.
OSS is very capitalistic, and in it's most pure and working sense.
You are doing something for free with the hope of profiting from it in the future.
That is the core and heart of any entrepreneur, ie.
capitalist.

As for morality I agree; Russian-communism and Corporatism inherently have none.
Capitalism may or may not be moral, that depends on the capitalist's own values.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31269828</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267091520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests. The only difference is which."</i></p><p>Indeed, the special interests of am extremely wealthy few, versus the special interests of the not-so-wealthy masses.<br>Which begs the question: is there any such thing as non-special interests?</p><p>It's only since Swarzenegger that the interests of common people are considered "special".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests .
The only difference is which .
" Indeed , the special interests of am extremely wealthy few , versus the special interests of the not-so-wealthy masses.Which begs the question : is there any such thing as non-special interests ? It 's only since Swarzenegger that the interests of common people are considered " special " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Both sides want the government to set rules to benefit special interests.
The only difference is which.
"Indeed, the special interests of am extremely wealthy few, versus the special interests of the not-so-wealthy masses.Which begs the question: is there any such thing as non-special interests?It's only since Swarzenegger that the interests of common people are considered "special".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266042</id>
	<title>Re:what a bunch of idiots</title>
	<author>skingers6894</author>
	<datestamp>1265111580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses..</p></div><p>Hmm an interesting thought but I suspect if copyright law did not exist then we would not have bothered to have a GPL.</p><p>It seems to me that "they" use licenses to ensure the bastards (us) pay for all "their" hard work.  On the other hand it seems "we" use licenses to ensure that the bastards (they) don't profit from "our" hard work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators , the GPL could not exist , depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses..Hmm an interesting thought but I suspect if copyright law did not exist then we would not have bothered to have a GPL.It seems to me that " they " use licenses to ensure the bastards ( us ) pay for all " their " hard work .
On the other hand it seems " we " use licenses to ensure that the bastards ( they ) do n't profit from " our " hard work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses..Hmm an interesting thought but I suspect if copyright law did not exist then we would not have bothered to have a GPL.It seems to me that "they" use licenses to ensure the bastards (us) pay for all "their" hard work.
On the other hand it seems "we" use licenses to ensure that the bastards (they) don't profit from "our" hard work.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266494</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>einhverfr</author>
	<datestamp>1265114040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.</p></div></blockquote><p>I was going to say it is the difference between the free marketeers and he free privateers....  The privateers being the folks at the IIPA.  Now THAT's piracy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all seriousness , though , times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who do n't deserve to live.I was going to say it is the difference between the free marketeers and he free privateers.... The privateers being the folks at the IIPA .
Now THAT 's piracy ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.I was going to say it is the difference between the free marketeers and he free privateers....  The privateers being the folks at the IIPA.
Now THAT's piracy ;-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264690</id>
	<title>Nothing to see here.</title>
	<author>cosm</author>
	<datestamp>1265105820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>This post's title completely sums up the irony, stupidity, and fucktardedness of the IIPA and other assholes giving lobbyjobs (known as LJ's) to various government schlongs in the hopes of being paid for their liberty whoring.
<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/endrant</htmltext>
<tokenext>This post 's title completely sums up the irony , stupidity , and fucktardedness of the IIPA and other assholes giving lobbyjobs ( known as LJ 's ) to various government schlongs in the hopes of being paid for their liberty whoring .
/endrant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post's title completely sums up the irony, stupidity, and fucktardedness of the IIPA and other assholes giving lobbyjobs (known as LJ's) to various government schlongs in the hopes of being paid for their liberty whoring.
/endrant</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265434</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265108820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But ye needs ta compile it yerself, matey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But ye needs ta compile it yerself , matey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But ye needs ta compile it yerself, matey.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265650</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>16K Ram Pack</author>
	<datestamp>1265109780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.</p></div><p>Exactly. I'd like mythical beasts to come out of the sea and walk onto the land to devour rent-seekers because they get associated with the free market and give it a bad name.</p><p>It's much better to live your life in a positive way. You see your job is getting destroyed by technology, you find another way to make a living. You'll learn new things and improve yourself.</p><p>I suspect this will fail because FOSS is too big now. The Obama campaign website was running on LAMP, for instance.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all seriousness , though , times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who do n't deserve to live.Exactly .
I 'd like mythical beasts to come out of the sea and walk onto the land to devour rent-seekers because they get associated with the free market and give it a bad name.It 's much better to live your life in a positive way .
You see your job is getting destroyed by technology , you find another way to make a living .
You 'll learn new things and improve yourself.I suspect this will fail because FOSS is too big now .
The Obama campaign website was running on LAMP , for instance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.Exactly.
I'd like mythical beasts to come out of the sea and walk onto the land to devour rent-seekers because they get associated with the free market and give it a bad name.It's much better to live your life in a positive way.
You see your job is getting destroyed by technology, you find another way to make a living.
You'll learn new things and improve yourself.I suspect this will fail because FOSS is too big now.
The Obama campaign website was running on LAMP, for instance.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31271140</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267107720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Brilliant, you're calling for even more government in a world where government is already ridiculously overpowered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brilliant , you 're calling for even more government in a world where government is already ridiculously overpowered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brilliant, you're calling for even more government in a world where government is already ridiculously overpowered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265856</id>
	<title>The USA Government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265110560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since the fall of the republic last year we have converted to a fascist state.</p><p>Beware if you are in business for yourself and you live in the United States.</p><p>You are now considered an enemy of the state because you compete against government corporations.</p><p>If you make a car, then chances are your going to be attacked in some way...probably through industrial espionage.   Government owned businesses like the Government Motors corporation we have in the USA do not like competition.</p><p>Expect any part of your supply chain to be a target if it is in the USA for example: <a href="http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx" title="toyota.com" rel="nofollow">http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx</a> [toyota.com]</p><p>Microsoft is a government sanctioned software monopoly.   I suspect open source is going to have a \_really\_ rough time of it.</p><p>With this kind of climate, I think it is ripe for a patent attack on open source, leading to open source being banned or more likely regulated by the government.<br>(You must go through a government agency first before you create a open source project.)</p><p>-Hack</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the fall of the republic last year we have converted to a fascist state.Beware if you are in business for yourself and you live in the United States.You are now considered an enemy of the state because you compete against government corporations.If you make a car , then chances are your going to be attacked in some way...probably through industrial espionage .
Government owned businesses like the Government Motors corporation we have in the USA do not like competition.Expect any part of your supply chain to be a target if it is in the USA for example : http : //pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx [ toyota.com ] Microsoft is a government sanctioned software monopoly .
I suspect open source is going to have a \ _really \ _ rough time of it.With this kind of climate , I think it is ripe for a patent attack on open source , leading to open source being banned or more likely regulated by the government .
( You must go through a government agency first before you create a open source project .
) -Hack</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the fall of the republic last year we have converted to a fascist state.Beware if you are in business for yourself and you live in the United States.You are now considered an enemy of the state because you compete against government corporations.If you make a car, then chances are your going to be attacked in some way...probably through industrial espionage.
Government owned businesses like the Government Motors corporation we have in the USA do not like competition.Expect any part of your supply chain to be a target if it is in the USA for example: http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx [toyota.com]Microsoft is a government sanctioned software monopoly.
I suspect open source is going to have a \_really\_ rough time of it.With this kind of climate, I think it is ripe for a patent attack on open source, leading to open source being banned or more likely regulated by the government.
(You must go through a government agency first before you create a open source project.
)-Hack</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265198</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1265107920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worse-yet: Do these people realize that there are companies that sell open-source software?  *head explodes*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worse-yet : Do these people realize that there are companies that sell open-source software ?
* head explodes *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worse-yet: Do these people realize that there are companies that sell open-source software?
*head explodes*</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31277486</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1267091640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Won't work. Everybody will be able to modify the source.</p><p>"But it has to be accepted into the main tree!", you say? Then fork it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wo n't work .
Everybody will be able to modify the source .
" But it has to be accepted into the main tree !
" , you say ?
Then fork it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't work.
Everybody will be able to modify the source.
"But it has to be accepted into the main tree!
", you say?
Then fork it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264870</id>
	<title>I'm pretty sure</title>
	<author>inode\_buddha</author>
	<datestamp>1265106600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm pretty sure these types have no problem with e.g. Habitat for Humanity. As long as they can take a tax write-off for their contributions. Maybe they should try and outlaw that too. In a more general way, I kinda pity those who cannot value anything without dollar signs attached.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure these types have no problem with e.g .
Habitat for Humanity .
As long as they can take a tax write-off for their contributions .
Maybe they should try and outlaw that too .
In a more general way , I kinda pity those who can not value anything without dollar signs attached .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure these types have no problem with e.g.
Habitat for Humanity.
As long as they can take a tax write-off for their contributions.
Maybe they should try and outlaw that too.
In a more general way, I kinda pity those who cannot value anything without dollar signs attached.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31266290</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously flawed logic</title>
	<author>atheistmonk</author>
	<datestamp>1265112840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if the brain damage is from too much beer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if the brain damage is from too much beer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if the brain damage is from too much beer?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264756</id>
	<title>The Modern USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>USA - the den of greed, hypocrisy and bullying. If that's the true face of capitalism then I don't mind being called a socialist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>USA - the den of greed , hypocrisy and bullying .
If that 's the true face of capitalism then I do n't mind being called a socialist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>USA - the den of greed, hypocrisy and bullying.
If that's the true face of capitalism then I don't mind being called a socialist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31264450</id>
	<title>what a bunch of idiots</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1265104920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The GPL is, arguably, the most popular and most well-known open source license. Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses. So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GPL is , arguably , the most popular and most well-known open source license .
Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators , the GPL could not exist , depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses .
So I 'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPL is, arguably, the most popular and most well-known open source license.
Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses.
So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1812244.31265466</id>
	<title>Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate...</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1265108940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to say pretty much the same thing, only you said it better.
<br> <br>
If I release a creative work of my own -- be it software, music, or any other creation in any other medium -- into any kind of public license, then who are these self-imposed tyrants to say what others can do with my work?  Aren't they themselves now limiting my rights to my own creation by telling what kind of licensing I have to use?
<br> <br>
Pot...kettle...black?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to say pretty much the same thing , only you said it better .
If I release a creative work of my own -- be it software , music , or any other creation in any other medium -- into any kind of public license , then who are these self-imposed tyrants to say what others can do with my work ?
Are n't they themselves now limiting my rights to my own creation by telling what kind of licensing I have to use ?
Pot...kettle...black ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to say pretty much the same thing, only you said it better.
If I release a creative work of my own -- be it software, music, or any other creation in any other medium -- into any kind of public license, then who are these self-imposed tyrants to say what others can do with my work?
Aren't they themselves now limiting my rights to my own creation by telling what kind of licensing I have to use?
Pot...kettle...black?</sentencetext>
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