<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_24_1323218</id>
	<title>Google Italy Execs Convicted Over YouTube Bullying Video</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1267019520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>FTWinston writes <i>"Three <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8533695.stm">Italian Google executives have been convicted</a> of privacy violations in Italy over the contents of a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome being bullied &mdash; despite the fact that the video was removed as soon as it was brought to their attention, and that Google assisted the authorities in locating those who posted it. Prosecutors argued that Google should have sought the consent of all parties involved with the video before allowing it to go online. Quite how they were meant to achieve this is another matter."</i>
Google has responded by saying this is a <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html">Serious threat to the web</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTWinston writes " Three Italian Google executives have been convicted of privacy violations in Italy over the contents of a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome being bullied    despite the fact that the video was removed as soon as it was brought to their attention , and that Google assisted the authorities in locating those who posted it .
Prosecutors argued that Google should have sought the consent of all parties involved with the video before allowing it to go online .
Quite how they were meant to achieve this is another matter .
" Google has responded by saying this is a Serious threat to the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTWinston writes "Three Italian Google executives have been convicted of privacy violations in Italy over the contents of a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome being bullied — despite the fact that the video was removed as soon as it was brought to their attention, and that Google assisted the authorities in locating those who posted it.
Prosecutors argued that Google should have sought the consent of all parties involved with the video before allowing it to go online.
Quite how they were meant to achieve this is another matter.
"
Google has responded by saying this is a Serious threat to the web.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259188</id>
	<title>Re:Great big targets</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1265125680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly Italians want what we all want: Automated Protect the Handicapped and the Children video services! This is really not that hard. Just have someone write a perl script that automatically detects any potentially offensive video before the video is posted. End of problem. Case closed. In carta diem di tutto! Done and done.</p><p>It's just a simple matter of software at this point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly Italians want what we all want : Automated Protect the Handicapped and the Children video services !
This is really not that hard .
Just have someone write a perl script that automatically detects any potentially offensive video before the video is posted .
End of problem .
Case closed .
In carta diem di tutto !
Done and done.It 's just a simple matter of software at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly Italians want what we all want: Automated Protect the Handicapped and the Children video services!
This is really not that hard.
Just have someone write a perl script that automatically detects any potentially offensive video before the video is posted.
End of problem.
Case closed.
In carta diem di tutto!
Done and done.It's just a simple matter of software at this point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260140</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1265129820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't the terms of service require the uploader to assure that he has secured all necessary rights and can grant them to Google/YouTube?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't the terms of service require the uploader to assure that he has secured all necessary rights and can grant them to Google/YouTube ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't the terms of service require the uploader to assure that he has secured all necessary rights and can grant them to Google/YouTube?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258650</id>
	<title>So basically...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265122860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So by extension this means that if someone pushes a kilo of cocaine through my letterbox and I report it to the police, I'm guilty of possession of a controlled substance?</p><p>The judge is a fucking retard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So by extension this means that if someone pushes a kilo of cocaine through my letterbox and I report it to the police , I 'm guilty of possession of a controlled substance ? The judge is a fucking retard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So by extension this means that if someone pushes a kilo of cocaine through my letterbox and I report it to the police, I'm guilty of possession of a controlled substance?The judge is a fucking retard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258806</id>
	<title>Re:Mistake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, I think the decision is as stupid as everybody else does.  But unless you are an expert on Italian law, don't go yammering about how an Italian judge doesn't know how to apply the law of a country you probably don't even live in.

</p><p>Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge, nor does it make his decision a mistake.  If you have evidence to the contrary other than "well I don't like this very much and therefore it must be wrong!" then by all means, point it out and let's have a look.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , I think the decision is as stupid as everybody else does .
But unless you are an expert on Italian law , do n't go yammering about how an Italian judge does n't know how to apply the law of a country you probably do n't even live in .
Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge , nor does it make his decision a mistake .
If you have evidence to the contrary other than " well I do n't like this very much and therefore it must be wrong !
" then by all means , point it out and let 's have a look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, I think the decision is as stupid as everybody else does.
But unless you are an expert on Italian law, don't go yammering about how an Italian judge doesn't know how to apply the law of a country you probably don't even live in.
Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge, nor does it make his decision a mistake.
If you have evidence to the contrary other than "well I don't like this very much and therefore it must be wrong!
" then by all means, point it out and let's have a look.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259560</id>
	<title>Small correction...</title>
	<author>IANAAC</author>
	<datestamp>1265127540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Silvio Berlusconi isn't the president. Never has been. He's the Prime Minister.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Silvio Berlusconi is n't the president .
Never has been .
He 's the Prime Minister .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Silvio Berlusconi isn't the president.
Never has been.
He's the Prime Minister.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258970</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258604</id>
	<title>What?!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265122560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thats a fucking witch hunt, what the heck else could google have done??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats a fucking witch hunt , what the heck else could google have done ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats a fucking witch hunt, what the heck else could google have done?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259140</id>
	<title>Once again I am sure....</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1265125380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once again I am sure that I am not the only one who misread this:
"Google Italy Executes Convicted Over YouTube Bullying Videos"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once again I am sure that I am not the only one who misread this : " Google Italy Executes Convicted Over YouTube Bullying Videos "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once again I am sure that I am not the only one who misread this:
"Google Italy Executes Convicted Over YouTube Bullying Videos"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259286</id>
	<title>Re:Youtube needs moderation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They already have one, the flags system. The problem with the flags system is that if a video gets enough flags, for any reason, it gets pulled in an automated process. Thus it's been easy to abuse by people who disagree with what a video says (i.e. making an argument that X sucks in a video can be removed if the supporters of X flagbomb the video.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They already have one , the flags system .
The problem with the flags system is that if a video gets enough flags , for any reason , it gets pulled in an automated process .
Thus it 's been easy to abuse by people who disagree with what a video says ( i.e .
making an argument that X sucks in a video can be removed if the supporters of X flagbomb the video .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already have one, the flags system.
The problem with the flags system is that if a video gets enough flags, for any reason, it gets pulled in an automated process.
Thus it's been easy to abuse by people who disagree with what a video says (i.e.
making an argument that X sucks in a video can be removed if the supporters of X flagbomb the video.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258828</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260192</id>
	<title>Down Syndrome != Autism</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1265130000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My parent said:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This has nothing to do with the autistic boy in the video</p></div><p>The summary said:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome</p></div><p>And the internets at <a href="http://autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/autism\_and\_down\_syndrome" title="suite101.com">http://autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/autism\_and\_down\_syndrome</a> [suite101.com] said:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>One set of co-morbid conditions that are experiencing an upsurge in research is the existence of an autism spectrum disorder in an individual who also has Down syndrome</p></div><p>If autism and Down syndrome can coexist, it seems reasonable they can also <em>not</em> coexist, and that they therefore are different things.</p><p>Please don't confuse the two.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My parent said : This has nothing to do with the autistic boy in the videoThe summary said : a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndromeAnd the internets at http : //autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/autism \ _and \ _down \ _syndrome [ suite101.com ] said : One set of co-morbid conditions that are experiencing an upsurge in research is the existence of an autism spectrum disorder in an individual who also has Down syndromeIf autism and Down syndrome can coexist , it seems reasonable they can also not coexist , and that they therefore are different things.Please do n't confuse the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My parent said:This has nothing to do with the autistic boy in the videoThe summary said:a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndromeAnd the internets at http://autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/autism\_and\_down\_syndrome [suite101.com] said:One set of co-morbid conditions that are experiencing an upsurge in research is the existence of an autism spectrum disorder in an individual who also has Down syndromeIf autism and Down syndrome can coexist, it seems reasonable they can also not coexist, and that they therefore are different things.Please don't confuse the two.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31270780</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267104240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google's servers are copying the videos from one user to the public - which, using current (admittedly US) laws as a gauge, would make them a publishing house.  And in the US at least, publishers are liable for any copyright violations they conduct.  Now, there may be special exemptions codified in law that I'm not aware of (and don't even try common carrier - that's not even in the ball park here), so I'd appreciate any enlightenment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google 's servers are copying the videos from one user to the public - which , using current ( admittedly US ) laws as a gauge , would make them a publishing house .
And in the US at least , publishers are liable for any copyright violations they conduct .
Now , there may be special exemptions codified in law that I 'm not aware of ( and do n't even try common carrier - that 's not even in the ball park here ) , so I 'd appreciate any enlightenment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google's servers are copying the videos from one user to the public - which, using current (admittedly US) laws as a gauge, would make them a publishing house.
And in the US at least, publishers are liable for any copyright violations they conduct.
Now, there may be special exemptions codified in law that I'm not aware of (and don't even try common carrier - that's not even in the ball park here), so I'd appreciate any enlightenment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258982</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258580</id>
	<title>internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265122440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>internet, srs bsns</htmltext>
<tokenext>internet , srs bsns</tokentext>
<sentencetext>internet, srs bsns</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258768</id>
	<title>Google CAN censor images</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>like how they did in the case of Abu Ghraib photos - <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/07/1442217" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/07/1442217</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>like how they did in the case of Abu Ghraib photos - http : //yro.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 04/11/07/1442217 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>like how they did in the case of Abu Ghraib photos - http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/07/1442217 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31295876</id>
	<title>Sigh.   OP did not read the linked article.</title>
	<author>James Youngman</author>
	<datestamp>1267270980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The original poster didn't read the article carefully, I think.   The executives were convicted in Italy, but they weren't <i>Italian</i> executives.   In fact, they don't (or in the case of Reyes, didn't; he left) even work there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The original poster did n't read the article carefully , I think .
The executives were convicted in Italy , but they were n't Italian executives .
In fact , they do n't ( or in the case of Reyes , did n't ; he left ) even work there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original poster didn't read the article carefully, I think.
The executives were convicted in Italy, but they weren't Italian executives.
In fact, they don't (or in the case of Reyes, didn't; he left) even work there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263814</id>
	<title>There is no fundamental right to not be offended.</title>
	<author>RealTime</author>
	<datestamp>1265101980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;rant&gt;<br>
This is part of a larger problem brought on by movements such as political correctness (and by some racial, cultural, and religious groups) where people are developing a belief that they have a "right" to silence anything that offends them.  This is completely counter to free speech.<br>
<br>
There is always the risk that <i>some</i> people will be offended when someone else is exercising their free speech rights.  The person being bullied in this case could just choose to not watch a video that offends him or her.  Governments turning into "nanny states" to prevent their poor, defenseless citizens from being threatened or offended by online content are going to have a real chilling effect on exercise of free speech, even in countries where supposedly that right still exists.<br>
&lt;/rant&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is part of a larger problem brought on by movements such as political correctness ( and by some racial , cultural , and religious groups ) where people are developing a belief that they have a " right " to silence anything that offends them .
This is completely counter to free speech .
There is always the risk that some people will be offended when someone else is exercising their free speech rights .
The person being bullied in this case could just choose to not watch a video that offends him or her .
Governments turning into " nanny states " to prevent their poor , defenseless citizens from being threatened or offended by online content are going to have a real chilling effect on exercise of free speech , even in countries where supposedly that right still exists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
This is part of a larger problem brought on by movements such as political correctness (and by some racial, cultural, and religious groups) where people are developing a belief that they have a "right" to silence anything that offends them.
This is completely counter to free speech.
There is always the risk that some people will be offended when someone else is exercising their free speech rights.
The person being bullied in this case could just choose to not watch a video that offends him or her.
Governments turning into "nanny states" to prevent their poor, defenseless citizens from being threatened or offended by online content are going to have a real chilling effect on exercise of free speech, even in countries where supposedly that right still exists.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259326</id>
	<title>Autism not Down Syndrome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFAs, the bullying victim is autistic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFAs , the bullying victim is autistic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFAs, the bullying victim is autistic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31262524</id>
	<title>you're all forgetting the most important thing..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265139480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>links to the video.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>links to the video .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>links to the video.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260462</id>
	<title>since when is Down's syndrome the same as autism?</title>
	<author>kae\_verens</author>
	<datestamp>1265131380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hey editors, RTFA.</p><p>Down's syndrome is not mentioned at all in there. Autism is.</p><p>My son is autistic. There's a very big difference between the two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hey editors , RTFA.Down 's syndrome is not mentioned at all in there .
Autism is.My son is autistic .
There 's a very big difference between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hey editors, RTFA.Down's syndrome is not mentioned at all in there.
Autism is.My son is autistic.
There's a very big difference between the two.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258848</id>
	<title>Payback?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google's geolocation is pretty good. They should just redirect all youtube and google video hits from Italy to a page saying "Following the recent judicial decision this service is no longer available in Italy as it is not practical to moderate all content in advance. If you don't like this here is the Italian justice minister's email address<nobr> <wbr></nobr>........@........."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google 's geolocation is pretty good .
They should just redirect all youtube and google video hits from Italy to a page saying " Following the recent judicial decision this service is no longer available in Italy as it is not practical to moderate all content in advance .
If you do n't like this here is the Italian justice minister 's email address ........ @ ......... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google's geolocation is pretty good.
They should just redirect all youtube and google video hits from Italy to a page saying "Following the recent judicial decision this service is no longer available in Italy as it is not practical to moderate all content in advance.
If you don't like this here is the Italian justice minister's email address ........@........."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259032</id>
	<title>Corruption at it's best</title>
	<author>C\_Kode</author>
	<datestamp>1265124840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, I love Italy.  Easily my favorite European country to visit, but idiotic things like this make me never want to visit again.</p><p>IMO, any prosecutors involved in even attempting to bring such a case to court should have been immediately removed from their position.  The fact that the judge allowed the case AND ruled in favor, he should have been immediately removed from his position and barred from any and all legal and / or political practices within Italy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I love Italy .
Easily my favorite European country to visit , but idiotic things like this make me never want to visit again.IMO , any prosecutors involved in even attempting to bring such a case to court should have been immediately removed from their position .
The fact that the judge allowed the case AND ruled in favor , he should have been immediately removed from his position and barred from any and all legal and / or political practices within Italy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I love Italy.
Easily my favorite European country to visit, but idiotic things like this make me never want to visit again.IMO, any prosecutors involved in even attempting to bring such a case to court should have been immediately removed from their position.
The fact that the judge allowed the case AND ruled in favor, he should have been immediately removed from his position and barred from any and all legal and / or political practices within Italy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260762</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1265132580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Google aren't the ones who posted the video</p></div><p>Bullshit. They own the site that hosted the video, they own the servers that sites runs, they own (or lease) the bandwidth that delivered the video out to the wider Internet. Whether they posted it or not they have some responsibility for the content of the video, according to Italian law.</p><p>Google's mistake here was to ignore local laws and customs, thinking "We work on the Internet, that makes everything different." Just like adding the words "...with a computer" shouldn't make a standard business process patentable, simply operating on the Internet doesn't make you above the law.</p><p>The question of whether the law in question is reasonable or not is an entirely different matter. But Google (and their execs) screwed up by ignoring that law in the first place.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google are n't the ones who posted the videoBullshit .
They own the site that hosted the video , they own the servers that sites runs , they own ( or lease ) the bandwidth that delivered the video out to the wider Internet .
Whether they posted it or not they have some responsibility for the content of the video , according to Italian law.Google 's mistake here was to ignore local laws and customs , thinking " We work on the Internet , that makes everything different .
" Just like adding the words " ...with a computer " should n't make a standard business process patentable , simply operating on the Internet does n't make you above the law.The question of whether the law in question is reasonable or not is an entirely different matter .
But Google ( and their execs ) screwed up by ignoring that law in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google aren't the ones who posted the videoBullshit.
They own the site that hosted the video, they own the servers that sites runs, they own (or lease) the bandwidth that delivered the video out to the wider Internet.
Whether they posted it or not they have some responsibility for the content of the video, according to Italian law.Google's mistake here was to ignore local laws and customs, thinking "We work on the Internet, that makes everything different.
" Just like adding the words "...with a computer" shouldn't make a standard business process patentable, simply operating on the Internet doesn't make you above the law.The question of whether the law in question is reasonable or not is an entirely different matter.
But Google (and their execs) screwed up by ignoring that law in the first place.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258824</id>
	<title>Use Rome's Strategy to fight Rome</title>
	<author>mistapotta</author>
	<datestamp>1265123700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdict" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdict</a> [wikipedia.org]
<p>
Seriously.  What's the percentage of Italy's advertisement revenue from Youtube?  Significant enough to question whether to maintain business in a country obviouly hostile to your service and willing to convict your employees that are helpful to the government in prosecuting the crime recorded on video?
</p><p>
If Google was seriously considering leaving the Chinese market (or using the threat to re-evaluate Chinese practices regarding them) then TPTB should consider an Interdict against Italy.
</p><p>
Youtube has already shown an ability to restrict content based on political boundaries, so this shouldn't be so much of a problem to implement.  Maybe even put a nag screen (as they do to users of IE6) letting the Italian users know that this practice by their elected officials will not be tolerated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdict [ wikipedia.org ] Seriously .
What 's the percentage of Italy 's advertisement revenue from Youtube ?
Significant enough to question whether to maintain business in a country obviouly hostile to your service and willing to convict your employees that are helpful to the government in prosecuting the crime recorded on video ?
If Google was seriously considering leaving the Chinese market ( or using the threat to re-evaluate Chinese practices regarding them ) then TPTB should consider an Interdict against Italy .
Youtube has already shown an ability to restrict content based on political boundaries , so this should n't be so much of a problem to implement .
Maybe even put a nag screen ( as they do to users of IE6 ) letting the Italian users know that this practice by their elected officials will not be tolerated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdict [wikipedia.org]

Seriously.
What's the percentage of Italy's advertisement revenue from Youtube?
Significant enough to question whether to maintain business in a country obviouly hostile to your service and willing to convict your employees that are helpful to the government in prosecuting the crime recorded on video?
If Google was seriously considering leaving the Chinese market (or using the threat to re-evaluate Chinese practices regarding them) then TPTB should consider an Interdict against Italy.
Youtube has already shown an ability to restrict content based on political boundaries, so this shouldn't be so much of a problem to implement.
Maybe even put a nag screen (as they do to users of IE6) letting the Italian users know that this practice by their elected officials will not be tolerated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31287946</id>
	<title>Re:Great big targets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267210920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So when do the Italians arrest the Pope for the sex scandals of the Catholic Church? I see no difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So when do the Italians arrest the Pope for the sex scandals of the Catholic Church ?
I see no difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So when do the Italians arrest the Pope for the sex scandals of the Catholic Church?
I see no difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258800</id>
	<title>Misleading news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The video was NOT removed as soon as it was brought to Google's attention.<br>
According to the prosecutors the video remained online for two months even though web users had already asked for it to be taken down.
<br> <br>
It is also worth mentioning that Google execs will not serve jail time because in Italy sentences of less than three years are commuted for people without criminal records.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The video was NOT removed as soon as it was brought to Google 's attention .
According to the prosecutors the video remained online for two months even though web users had already asked for it to be taken down .
It is also worth mentioning that Google execs will not serve jail time because in Italy sentences of less than three years are commuted for people without criminal records .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The video was NOT removed as soon as it was brought to Google's attention.
According to the prosecutors the video remained online for two months even though web users had already asked for it to be taken down.
It is also worth mentioning that Google execs will not serve jail time because in Italy sentences of less than three years are commuted for people without criminal records.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260110</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265129700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>even though web users had already asked for it to be taken down</i> </p><p>Is there any indication that this asking involved something other than posting a comment to the video page?  I wouldn't expect the site admins to read all the comments.  Was the "report this" button used?  If so, then there does appear to be something broken with takedown process.  Copyright takedowns seems to be executed very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>even though web users had already asked for it to be taken down Is there any indication that this asking involved something other than posting a comment to the video page ?
I would n't expect the site admins to read all the comments .
Was the " report this " button used ?
If so , then there does appear to be something broken with takedown process .
Copyright takedowns seems to be executed very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>even though web users had already asked for it to be taken down Is there any indication that this asking involved something other than posting a comment to the video page?
I wouldn't expect the site admins to read all the comments.
Was the "report this" button used?
If so, then there does appear to be something broken with takedown process.
Copyright takedowns seems to be executed very quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31270130</id>
	<title>Re:What did you expect?</title>
	<author>lmollea</author>
	<datestamp>1267096020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are right, but I don't think that in this case Mr. B. could be called guilty.
Two points make me think that in this case the reason should be looked elsewhere: one is that generally Italian judges (and those in Milan court above all), aren't generally kind with Mr. B. affairs.
The second is that the judge that sentenced Google employees is the same judge that censored the Italian Governement on the Abu Omar affaire.

I'm more inclined in thinking about sheer ignorance about internet and its mechanism (sadly I have a direct experience in that field) or, as I read the news, a very strict interpretation of our privacy laws such as that it would require from Google the explicit consent of every person filmed in any video published.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right , but I do n't think that in this case Mr. B. could be called guilty .
Two points make me think that in this case the reason should be looked elsewhere : one is that generally Italian judges ( and those in Milan court above all ) , are n't generally kind with Mr. B. affairs .
The second is that the judge that sentenced Google employees is the same judge that censored the Italian Governement on the Abu Omar affaire .
I 'm more inclined in thinking about sheer ignorance about internet and its mechanism ( sadly I have a direct experience in that field ) or , as I read the news , a very strict interpretation of our privacy laws such as that it would require from Google the explicit consent of every person filmed in any video published .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right, but I don't think that in this case Mr. B. could be called guilty.
Two points make me think that in this case the reason should be looked elsewhere: one is that generally Italian judges (and those in Milan court above all), aren't generally kind with Mr. B. affairs.
The second is that the judge that sentenced Google employees is the same judge that censored the Italian Governement on the Abu Omar affaire.
I'm more inclined in thinking about sheer ignorance about internet and its mechanism (sadly I have a direct experience in that field) or, as I read the news, a very strict interpretation of our privacy laws such as that it would require from Google the explicit consent of every person filmed in any video published.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258682</id>
	<title>Easy solution</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1265123040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Automatically notify the Italian government of every single public video uploaded to Youtube, and offer them a 5 minute delay before it becomes viewable inside Italy in which time they can reject it.</p><p>They'll be begging for it to stop after half an hour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Automatically notify the Italian government of every single public video uploaded to Youtube , and offer them a 5 minute delay before it becomes viewable inside Italy in which time they can reject it.They 'll be begging for it to stop after half an hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Automatically notify the Italian government of every single public video uploaded to Youtube, and offer them a 5 minute delay before it becomes viewable inside Italy in which time they can reject it.They'll be begging for it to stop after half an hour.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260564</id>
	<title>Increasing privacy concerns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Privacy in Italy is serious businnes, as it's a means for politcians to cover they dirty ass. They are cutting down on legal interceptions as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Privacy in Italy is serious businnes , as it 's a means for politcians to cover they dirty ass .
They are cutting down on legal interceptions as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Privacy in Italy is serious businnes, as it's a means for politcians to cover they dirty ass.
They are cutting down on legal interceptions as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260892</id>
	<title>Re:This is par for the course for Italy</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1265133060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Italy is the South America of Europe.  Chaos I tell you, chaos!</p><p>Pet theory: The closer to the equator, the more looney-toons the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Italy is the South America of Europe .
Chaos I tell you , chaos ! Pet theory : The closer to the equator , the more looney-toons the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Italy is the South America of Europe.
Chaos I tell you, chaos!Pet theory: The closer to the equator, the more looney-toons the country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31262178</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265138160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Italy has something about posting pictures of children without specified permission.</p><p>This is likely the route the judge was forced into by the law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Italy has something about posting pictures of children without specified permission.This is likely the route the judge was forced into by the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Italy has something about posting pictures of children without specified permission.This is likely the route the judge was forced into by the law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258930</id>
	<title>Don't look at google</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1265124300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If is a valid precedent, then in any moment slashdot admins could be convicted in Italy for an AC comment. Or any of us, if we didnt promoted down that comment when had moderating points.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If is a valid precedent , then in any moment slashdot admins could be convicted in Italy for an AC comment .
Or any of us , if we didnt promoted down that comment when had moderating points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If is a valid precedent, then in any moment slashdot admins could be convicted in Italy for an AC comment.
Or any of us, if we didnt promoted down that comment when had moderating points.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31265722</id>
	<title>Re:In Italy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265110080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, your post is nothing more than a big whine fest:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... both times a car driver behaved like an arse and I told them they were 1) "un coglione" which is best translated as knobhead/dickhead/idiot and 2) "stronza" (bitch.) Both times the defamation threat came instantaneously...</p></div><p>Did you really expect them to simply accept being called derogatory names? Just so you can feel righteous indignation?</p><p>You did assault those people's character, and you did it in a country where the law dictates that it is not acceptable to do so. You are lucky they didn't pursue it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I suppose I actually deserved a bit of verbal thrashing and intimidation in those cases.</p> </div><p>Without knowing the exact situation in each case, their reactions do seem a bit over the top, but by your own admission, you behaved badly. What else are they supposed to do?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But imagine much worthier goals being seriously hampered by this. You very quickly defame someone in Italy on the base that they actually deserve it.</p></div><p>What worthier goals do you want us to imagine? How are these imaginary goals worthier? Compared to what? Am I to understand that it is not possible to convey the importance of these goals without resorting to defamation, or simple name-calling?</p><p>If it can be proven that someone actually deserves the descriptive brand that is put forth, then it cannot be defamation. Otherwise, it is defamation.</p><p>It is simple, and it doesn't matter whether you are Italian, British, American, Polish, or from planet X.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We Italians sort of cherish elaborated, concocted, ridiculous laws. It makes us feel "save" in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.</p></div><p>Your country does not have an exclusive peculiarity there. This is simply human nature, and I suspect you can find examples of this in every single society ever created. The challenge to take is to do your part to remove the laws you find elaborated, concocted, and ridiculous.</p><p>(This is actually a pet peeve of mine. It seems few are interested in examining existing laws, and determining if they are unjust, or obsolete, and taking the initiative to repeal, or update them.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, I'm Italian and quite ambivalent about it. Don't think, however, that I would trade in my nationality that lightly. It's certainly not the best nationality to have but I haven't came across a better one so far. I trust most feel the same about their own nationality.</p></div><p>As near as I can tell, you are contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say being Italian is not the best, but then turn around and say that there aren't any better (defacto: the best). Really, which is it?</p><p>This says that you are not happy with your situation, but are not inconvenienced enough by it to bother doing something about it.</p><p>Maybe you would be happier if you take a long hard look at your ideals, and political views, and see if there is any place on this earth that is a better match.</p><p>If not, you might want to try working at changing the things you don't like.</p><p>So, the appropriate responses to your post are:</p><p>Politically:<br>"Shit, or get off the pot."</p><p>Socially:<br>"Try to be a little nicer to those around you."</p><p>Captcha: piously (couldn't be more appropriate...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , your post is nothing more than a big whine fest : ... both times a car driver behaved like an arse and I told them they were 1 ) " un coglione " which is best translated as knobhead/dickhead/idiot and 2 ) " stronza " ( bitch .
) Both times the defamation threat came instantaneously...Did you really expect them to simply accept being called derogatory names ?
Just so you can feel righteous indignation ? You did assault those people 's character , and you did it in a country where the law dictates that it is not acceptable to do so .
You are lucky they did n't pursue it.I suppose I actually deserved a bit of verbal thrashing and intimidation in those cases .
Without knowing the exact situation in each case , their reactions do seem a bit over the top , but by your own admission , you behaved badly .
What else are they supposed to do ? But imagine much worthier goals being seriously hampered by this .
You very quickly defame someone in Italy on the base that they actually deserve it.What worthier goals do you want us to imagine ?
How are these imaginary goals worthier ?
Compared to what ?
Am I to understand that it is not possible to convey the importance of these goals without resorting to defamation , or simple name-calling ? If it can be proven that someone actually deserves the descriptive brand that is put forth , then it can not be defamation .
Otherwise , it is defamation.It is simple , and it does n't matter whether you are Italian , British , American , Polish , or from planet X.We Italians sort of cherish elaborated , concocted , ridiculous laws .
It makes us feel " save " in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.Your country does not have an exclusive peculiarity there .
This is simply human nature , and I suspect you can find examples of this in every single society ever created .
The challenge to take is to do your part to remove the laws you find elaborated , concocted , and ridiculous .
( This is actually a pet peeve of mine .
It seems few are interested in examining existing laws , and determining if they are unjust , or obsolete , and taking the initiative to repeal , or update them .
) Yes , I 'm Italian and quite ambivalent about it .
Do n't think , however , that I would trade in my nationality that lightly .
It 's certainly not the best nationality to have but I have n't came across a better one so far .
I trust most feel the same about their own nationality.As near as I can tell , you are contradicting yourself .
On one hand , you say being Italian is not the best , but then turn around and say that there are n't any better ( defacto : the best ) .
Really , which is it ? This says that you are not happy with your situation , but are not inconvenienced enough by it to bother doing something about it.Maybe you would be happier if you take a long hard look at your ideals , and political views , and see if there is any place on this earth that is a better match.If not , you might want to try working at changing the things you do n't like.So , the appropriate responses to your post are : Politically : " Shit , or get off the pot .
" Socially : " Try to be a little nicer to those around you .
" Captcha : piously ( could n't be more appropriate... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, your post is nothing more than a big whine fest: ... both times a car driver behaved like an arse and I told them they were 1) "un coglione" which is best translated as knobhead/dickhead/idiot and 2) "stronza" (bitch.
) Both times the defamation threat came instantaneously...Did you really expect them to simply accept being called derogatory names?
Just so you can feel righteous indignation?You did assault those people's character, and you did it in a country where the law dictates that it is not acceptable to do so.
You are lucky they didn't pursue it.I suppose I actually deserved a bit of verbal thrashing and intimidation in those cases.
Without knowing the exact situation in each case, their reactions do seem a bit over the top, but by your own admission, you behaved badly.
What else are they supposed to do?But imagine much worthier goals being seriously hampered by this.
You very quickly defame someone in Italy on the base that they actually deserve it.What worthier goals do you want us to imagine?
How are these imaginary goals worthier?
Compared to what?
Am I to understand that it is not possible to convey the importance of these goals without resorting to defamation, or simple name-calling?If it can be proven that someone actually deserves the descriptive brand that is put forth, then it cannot be defamation.
Otherwise, it is defamation.It is simple, and it doesn't matter whether you are Italian, British, American, Polish, or from planet X.We Italians sort of cherish elaborated, concocted, ridiculous laws.
It makes us feel "save" in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.Your country does not have an exclusive peculiarity there.
This is simply human nature, and I suspect you can find examples of this in every single society ever created.
The challenge to take is to do your part to remove the laws you find elaborated, concocted, and ridiculous.
(This is actually a pet peeve of mine.
It seems few are interested in examining existing laws, and determining if they are unjust, or obsolete, and taking the initiative to repeal, or update them.
)Yes, I'm Italian and quite ambivalent about it.
Don't think, however, that I would trade in my nationality that lightly.
It's certainly not the best nationality to have but I haven't came across a better one so far.
I trust most feel the same about their own nationality.As near as I can tell, you are contradicting yourself.
On one hand, you say being Italian is not the best, but then turn around and say that there aren't any better (defacto: the best).
Really, which is it?This says that you are not happy with your situation, but are not inconvenienced enough by it to bother doing something about it.Maybe you would be happier if you take a long hard look at your ideals, and political views, and see if there is any place on this earth that is a better match.If not, you might want to try working at changing the things you don't like.So, the appropriate responses to your post are:Politically:"Shit, or get off the pot.
"Socially:"Try to be a little nicer to those around you.
"Captcha: piously (couldn't be more appropriate...)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259064</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real solution would be to deny Italian submissions completely and/or block Italian viewers. It is too much of a burden to identify and ask for permission, or even detect videos not containing any people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real solution would be to deny Italian submissions completely and/or block Italian viewers .
It is too much of a burden to identify and ask for permission , or even detect videos not containing any people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real solution would be to deny Italian submissions completely and/or block Italian viewers.
It is too much of a burden to identify and ask for permission, or even detect videos not containing any people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258720</id>
	<title>Wow.</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1265123220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wow.</p><p>This is so far over the top...based on the couple of different sources I have seen this story so far, Google immediately complied when asked to take the video down, assisted the authorities in finding the culprits, and fully cooperated....and the EXECUTIVES, who amount to pencil pushers with decision making powers, get <i>convicted</i>?  Seriously, what the hell...that makes no sense.</p><p>They must have used the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca\_defense" title="wikipedia.org">Chewbacca defense </a> [wikipedia.org] against them or something...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wow.This is so far over the top...based on the couple of different sources I have seen this story so far , Google immediately complied when asked to take the video down , assisted the authorities in finding the culprits , and fully cooperated....and the EXECUTIVES , who amount to pencil pushers with decision making powers , get convicted ?
Seriously , what the hell...that makes no sense.They must have used the Chewbacca defense [ wikipedia.org ] against them or something.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wow.This is so far over the top...based on the couple of different sources I have seen this story so far, Google immediately complied when asked to take the video down, assisted the authorities in finding the culprits, and fully cooperated....and the EXECUTIVES, who amount to pencil pushers with decision making powers, get convicted?
Seriously, what the hell...that makes no sense.They must have used the Chewbacca defense  [wikipedia.org] against them or something...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259918</id>
	<title>How much is Italy's business worth to Google?</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1265128980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's unlikely most countries would adopt the same restrictions China has, but obviously when Europe starts impacting the internet, pants are rightfully bricked.  (Not that the U.S. lawmakers haven't had their fair share of calls for net filtering and ISP responsibility in the name of children, privacy, and copyright.)<br>Just to imagine what the landscape could look like a few years from now, following is *paraphrased* from <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/02/testimony-internet-in-china.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Google's hearing before congress in 2006.</a> [blogspot.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Some governments impose restrictions that make our mission difficult to achieve, and this is what we have encountered in Italy. In such a situation, we have to add to the balance a third fundamental commitment:</p><p>(c) Be responsive to local conditions.</p><p>So with that framework in mind, we decided to try a different path, a path rooted in the very pragmatic calculation that we could provide more access to more information to more Italian citizens more reliably by offering a new service &ndash; Google.it &ndash; that, though subject to Italy's self-censorship requirements, would have some significant advantages. Above all, it would be faster and more reliable, and would provide more and better search results for all but a handful of politically sensitive subjects. We also developed several elements that distinguish our service in Italy, including:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Disclosure to users -- We will give notification to Italian users whenever search results have been removed.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Protection of user privacy -- We will not maintain on Italy soil any services, like email, that involve personal or confidential data. This means that we will not, for example, host Gmail or Blogger, our email and blogging tools, in Italy.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Continued availability of Google.com -- We will not terminate the availability of our unfiltered Italian-language Google.com service.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>It 's unlikely most countries would adopt the same restrictions China has , but obviously when Europe starts impacting the internet , pants are rightfully bricked .
( Not that the U.S. lawmakers have n't had their fair share of calls for net filtering and ISP responsibility in the name of children , privacy , and copyright .
) Just to imagine what the landscape could look like a few years from now , following is * paraphrased * from Google 's hearing before congress in 2006 .
[ blogspot.com ] Some governments impose restrictions that make our mission difficult to achieve , and this is what we have encountered in Italy .
In such a situation , we have to add to the balance a third fundamental commitment : ( c ) Be responsive to local conditions.So with that framework in mind , we decided to try a different path , a path rooted in the very pragmatic calculation that we could provide more access to more information to more Italian citizens more reliably by offering a new service    Google.it    that , though subject to Italy 's self-censorship requirements , would have some significant advantages .
Above all , it would be faster and more reliable , and would provide more and better search results for all but a handful of politically sensitive subjects .
We also developed several elements that distinguish our service in Italy , including :         * Disclosure to users -- We will give notification to Italian users whenever search results have been removed .
        * Protection of user privacy -- We will not maintain on Italy soil any services , like email , that involve personal or confidential data .
This means that we will not , for example , host Gmail or Blogger , our email and blogging tools , in Italy .
        * Continued availability of Google.com -- We will not terminate the availability of our unfiltered Italian-language Google.com service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's unlikely most countries would adopt the same restrictions China has, but obviously when Europe starts impacting the internet, pants are rightfully bricked.
(Not that the U.S. lawmakers haven't had their fair share of calls for net filtering and ISP responsibility in the name of children, privacy, and copyright.
)Just to imagine what the landscape could look like a few years from now, following is *paraphrased* from Google's hearing before congress in 2006.
[blogspot.com] Some governments impose restrictions that make our mission difficult to achieve, and this is what we have encountered in Italy.
In such a situation, we have to add to the balance a third fundamental commitment:(c) Be responsive to local conditions.So with that framework in mind, we decided to try a different path, a path rooted in the very pragmatic calculation that we could provide more access to more information to more Italian citizens more reliably by offering a new service – Google.it – that, though subject to Italy's self-censorship requirements, would have some significant advantages.
Above all, it would be faster and more reliable, and would provide more and better search results for all but a handful of politically sensitive subjects.
We also developed several elements that distinguish our service in Italy, including:
        * Disclosure to users -- We will give notification to Italian users whenever search results have been removed.
        * Protection of user privacy -- We will not maintain on Italy soil any services, like email, that involve personal or confidential data.
This means that we will not, for example, host Gmail or Blogger, our email and blogging tools, in Italy.
        * Continued availability of Google.com -- We will not terminate the availability of our unfiltered Italian-language Google.com service.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260484</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>klenwell</author>
	<datestamp>1265131500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was my conclusion, too, as soon as I read the headline after hearing this story on NPR last week:</p><p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123761651" title="npr.org">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123761651</a> [npr.org]</p><p>From that report:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>One patron, Christian Lingreen, says his native Denmark has 100 percent Wi-Fi coverage &mdash; Italy maybe just 1 percent. "I love Italy," he says, "but I have to say [information technology], that is not their cup of tea."</p><p>Nearby sits Riikka Vanio of Finland, who is a mother of two children. "In the school, it's impossible to pass information to other parents through Internet, because none of them have Internet connection at home or not even e-mail address," she says. "So it's not part of their culture yet."</p><p>Nevertheless, Italy's right-wing government is going far beyond its European partners with the decree that would require Web sites with video content to request authorization and would mandate the vetting of copyrighted videos before they're uploaded.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>This was my conclusion , too , as soon as I read the headline after hearing this story on NPR last week : http : //www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php ? storyId = 123761651 [ npr.org ] From that report : One patron , Christian Lingreen , says his native Denmark has 100 percent Wi-Fi coverage    Italy maybe just 1 percent .
" I love Italy , " he says , " but I have to say [ information technology ] , that is not their cup of tea .
" Nearby sits Riikka Vanio of Finland , who is a mother of two children .
" In the school , it 's impossible to pass information to other parents through Internet , because none of them have Internet connection at home or not even e-mail address , " she says .
" So it 's not part of their culture yet .
" Nevertheless , Italy 's right-wing government is going far beyond its European partners with the decree that would require Web sites with video content to request authorization and would mandate the vetting of copyrighted videos before they 're uploaded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was my conclusion, too, as soon as I read the headline after hearing this story on NPR last week:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123761651 [npr.org]From that report:One patron, Christian Lingreen, says his native Denmark has 100 percent Wi-Fi coverage — Italy maybe just 1 percent.
"I love Italy," he says, "but I have to say [information technology], that is not their cup of tea.
"Nearby sits Riikka Vanio of Finland, who is a mother of two children.
"In the school, it's impossible to pass information to other parents through Internet, because none of them have Internet connection at home or not even e-mail address," she says.
"So it's not part of their culture yet.
"Nevertheless, Italy's right-wing government is going far beyond its European partners with the decree that would require Web sites with video content to request authorization and would mandate the vetting of copyrighted videos before they're uploaded.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260090</id>
	<title>Re:So basically...</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1265129640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually you'll find that it does sometimes happen in the US that people who accidentally find drugs in the US get busted for possession.  The law doesn't care why you possessed it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually you 'll find that it does sometimes happen in the US that people who accidentally find drugs in the US get busted for possession .
The law does n't care why you possessed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually you'll find that it does sometimes happen in the US that people who accidentally find drugs in the US get busted for possession.
The law doesn't care why you possessed it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259040</id>
	<title>And here I was thinking...</title>
	<author>Lord Bitman</author>
	<datestamp>1265124840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the first couple of sentences of the summary "finally, common sense! Executives have been convicted over violating the poster's privacy by leading police to him!"<br>one RTFS and RTFA later, and... for fuck's sake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the first couple of sentences of the summary " finally , common sense !
Executives have been convicted over violating the poster 's privacy by leading police to him !
" one RTFS and RTFA later , and... for fuck 's sake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the first couple of sentences of the summary "finally, common sense!
Executives have been convicted over violating the poster's privacy by leading police to him!
"one RTFS and RTFA later, and... for fuck's sake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259446</id>
	<title>anonymous...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>4 chan, where are you - we need this needs to go to over power level 9000!</htmltext>
<tokenext>4 chan , where are you - we need this needs to go to over power level 9000 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4 chan, where are you - we need this needs to go to over power level 9000!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31264304</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Shin-LaC</author>
	<datestamp>1265104320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, no, a thousand times no. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.<br> <br>One, in Italy the executive has no power over the judiciary or the prosecution, and neither does the parliament. No, not like in your country. The judiciary (which comprises both judges and prosecutors) is completely self-governed: there are no checks or balances other than the fact that they cannot make their own laws. They are not even subject to the people: they are not elected, nor under the direct or indirect influence of any popularly elected official.
<br> <br>Two, members of the judiciary, and especially the prosecutors and judges in Milan, are Berlusconi's worst enemies. They hate him, he hates them, and they have been trying to send him to jail for over a decade.<br> <br>To say that Berlusconi is behind a ruling made by a Milan court is like saying that George W. Bush produced Fahrenheit 9/11, or that Sarah Palin was the secret mastermind of Obama's campaign. I am struggling to find a reference familiar to the American public that could accurately convey the level of (presumably inadvertent) lunacy your suggestion represents. You are making about as much sense as a Scientologist moon-landing-denier wearing a full suit of tinfoil armor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , a thousand times no .
You literally have no idea what you 're talking about .
One , in Italy the executive has no power over the judiciary or the prosecution , and neither does the parliament .
No , not like in your country .
The judiciary ( which comprises both judges and prosecutors ) is completely self-governed : there are no checks or balances other than the fact that they can not make their own laws .
They are not even subject to the people : they are not elected , nor under the direct or indirect influence of any popularly elected official .
Two , members of the judiciary , and especially the prosecutors and judges in Milan , are Berlusconi 's worst enemies .
They hate him , he hates them , and they have been trying to send him to jail for over a decade .
To say that Berlusconi is behind a ruling made by a Milan court is like saying that George W. Bush produced Fahrenheit 9/11 , or that Sarah Palin was the secret mastermind of Obama 's campaign .
I am struggling to find a reference familiar to the American public that could accurately convey the level of ( presumably inadvertent ) lunacy your suggestion represents .
You are making about as much sense as a Scientologist moon-landing-denier wearing a full suit of tinfoil armor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, a thousand times no.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
One, in Italy the executive has no power over the judiciary or the prosecution, and neither does the parliament.
No, not like in your country.
The judiciary (which comprises both judges and prosecutors) is completely self-governed: there are no checks or balances other than the fact that they cannot make their own laws.
They are not even subject to the people: they are not elected, nor under the direct or indirect influence of any popularly elected official.
Two, members of the judiciary, and especially the prosecutors and judges in Milan, are Berlusconi's worst enemies.
They hate him, he hates them, and they have been trying to send him to jail for over a decade.
To say that Berlusconi is behind a ruling made by a Milan court is like saying that George W. Bush produced Fahrenheit 9/11, or that Sarah Palin was the secret mastermind of Obama's campaign.
I am struggling to find a reference familiar to the American public that could accurately convey the level of (presumably inadvertent) lunacy your suggestion represents.
You are making about as much sense as a Scientologist moon-landing-denier wearing a full suit of tinfoil armor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258832</id>
	<title>Retaliation?</title>
	<author>calspach</author>
	<datestamp>1265123760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Makes me wonder if one of the four expelled students has a Daddy that's a prosecutor or in some other position of power.  I just can't fathom another reason for prosecuting them...Just reeks of retaliation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes me wonder if one of the four expelled students has a Daddy that 's a prosecutor or in some other position of power .
I just ca n't fathom another reason for prosecuting them...Just reeks of retaliation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes me wonder if one of the four expelled students has a Daddy that's a prosecutor or in some other position of power.
I just can't fathom another reason for prosecuting them...Just reeks of retaliation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263826</id>
	<title>Thankful that the US has the CDA Section 230</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank goodness the US has the CDA Section 230<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section\_230\_of\_the\_Communications\_Decency\_Act<br>In summary Section 30 "provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by others".<br>It's time for the EU to have a similar law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank goodness the US has the CDA Section 230http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section \ _230 \ _of \ _the \ _Communications \ _Decency \ _ActIn summary Section 30 " provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an " interactive computer service " who publish information provided by others " .It 's time for the EU to have a similar law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank goodness the US has the CDA Section 230http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section\_230\_of\_the\_Communications\_Decency\_ActIn summary Section 30 "provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by others".It's time for the EU to have a similar law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31270426</id>
	<title>2 MONTHS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267099860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The video was available online for 2 MONTHS.</p><p>Google makes money with ADS on Youtube.</p><p>Therefore Google made money publishing that video.</p><p>Youtube (owned by Google) is a CONTENT PUBLISHER. It must be subject to the same laws that applies to the other publishers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The video was available online for 2 MONTHS.Google makes money with ADS on Youtube.Therefore Google made money publishing that video.Youtube ( owned by Google ) is a CONTENT PUBLISHER .
It must be subject to the same laws that applies to the other publishers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The video was available online for 2 MONTHS.Google makes money with ADS on Youtube.Therefore Google made money publishing that video.Youtube (owned by Google) is a CONTENT PUBLISHER.
It must be subject to the same laws that applies to the other publishers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261640</id>
	<title>Re:This is par for the course for Italy</title>
	<author>FirstTimeCaller</author>
	<datestamp>1265136060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And in justice the Italian way, they ended up feeling sorry for all of them and made all of the ones they convicted eventually eligible for work release.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
Didn't work out that way for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Meredith\_Kercher#Amanda\_Knox" title="wikipedia.org">Amanda Knox</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And in justice the Italian way , they ended up feeling sorry for all of them and made all of the ones they convicted eventually eligible for work release .
Did n't work out that way for Amanda Knox [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in justice the Italian way, they ended up feeling sorry for all of them and made all of the ones they convicted eventually eligible for work release.
Didn't work out that way for Amanda Knox [wikipedia.org].
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260086</id>
	<title>Agree to disagree</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1265129640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with google that this is not the best way to go about it....<br>but when you consider the implications of just what was being done to the poor kid.<br>Child p0rnopgraphy, snuff movies, animal cruelty, mental abuse etc...the list goes on as certain things<br>that should not be shown on the internet (or ever for that matter).<br>If there was child p0rnography on youtube, would google execs have swallowed this pill any easier.<br>would they have realized just what this video is equivalent to...</p><p>The exec will probably get a slap on the wrist in the very end, and a huge fine....but the message will be crystal clear to all other youtube like vendors.....you are responsible for your content. No more using , "we are not to be held liable for..." crap.<br>If a newspaper printed a child in a somewhat sexually explicit manner, and came out saying, well we did not create the ad, we are not responsible for the picture used in the ad, they would get laughed at.</p><p>The courts just wanted to make a clear example of what will not be allowed on the internet.....i agree with them on that point.<br>The most important part is that the rest of the community will realize how bad this situation is and start reviewing their own footage to make sure no crap is on there....</p><p>As for the exec, he has already made his millions, working for google, google made sure of it, and being their fall guy, is less destructive then them being tied as a whole to this situation. Now we will see a new slew of software that reads through the videos to check for illegal content such as this kid being abused. There are plenty of people in starving countries that can be asked to work for google on a per video basis that would be very happy to be included in a starting economy such as this one, not only to make some money but also get more technology in their country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with google that this is not the best way to go about it....but when you consider the implications of just what was being done to the poor kid.Child p0rnopgraphy , snuff movies , animal cruelty , mental abuse etc...the list goes on as certain thingsthat should not be shown on the internet ( or ever for that matter ) .If there was child p0rnography on youtube , would google execs have swallowed this pill any easier.would they have realized just what this video is equivalent to...The exec will probably get a slap on the wrist in the very end , and a huge fine....but the message will be crystal clear to all other youtube like vendors.....you are responsible for your content .
No more using , " we are not to be held liable for... " crap.If a newspaper printed a child in a somewhat sexually explicit manner , and came out saying , well we did not create the ad , we are not responsible for the picture used in the ad , they would get laughed at.The courts just wanted to make a clear example of what will not be allowed on the internet.....i agree with them on that point.The most important part is that the rest of the community will realize how bad this situation is and start reviewing their own footage to make sure no crap is on there....As for the exec , he has already made his millions , working for google , google made sure of it , and being their fall guy , is less destructive then them being tied as a whole to this situation .
Now we will see a new slew of software that reads through the videos to check for illegal content such as this kid being abused .
There are plenty of people in starving countries that can be asked to work for google on a per video basis that would be very happy to be included in a starting economy such as this one , not only to make some money but also get more technology in their country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with google that this is not the best way to go about it....but when you consider the implications of just what was being done to the poor kid.Child p0rnopgraphy, snuff movies, animal cruelty, mental abuse etc...the list goes on as certain thingsthat should not be shown on the internet (or ever for that matter).If there was child p0rnography on youtube, would google execs have swallowed this pill any easier.would they have realized just what this video is equivalent to...The exec will probably get a slap on the wrist in the very end, and a huge fine....but the message will be crystal clear to all other youtube like vendors.....you are responsible for your content.
No more using , "we are not to be held liable for..." crap.If a newspaper printed a child in a somewhat sexually explicit manner, and came out saying, well we did not create the ad, we are not responsible for the picture used in the ad, they would get laughed at.The courts just wanted to make a clear example of what will not be allowed on the internet.....i agree with them on that point.The most important part is that the rest of the community will realize how bad this situation is and start reviewing their own footage to make sure no crap is on there....As for the exec, he has already made his millions, working for google, google made sure of it, and being their fall guy, is less destructive then them being tied as a whole to this situation.
Now we will see a new slew of software that reads through the videos to check for illegal content such as this kid being abused.
There are plenty of people in starving countries that can be asked to work for google on a per video basis that would be very happy to be included in a starting economy such as this one, not only to make some money but also get more technology in their country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258680</id>
	<title>American values in conflict here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are beginning to see a confrontation between American long held beliefs in free speech and what other nations consider to be free speech.</p><p>We are seeing this happen with internet censorship in Australia, Europe, and Asia.</p><p>It is quite possible that in the near future the internet will look very different on a per country basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are beginning to see a confrontation between American long held beliefs in free speech and what other nations consider to be free speech.We are seeing this happen with internet censorship in Australia , Europe , and Asia.It is quite possible that in the near future the internet will look very different on a per country basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are beginning to see a confrontation between American long held beliefs in free speech and what other nations consider to be free speech.We are seeing this happen with internet censorship in Australia, Europe, and Asia.It is quite possible that in the near future the internet will look very different on a per country basis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261700</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>DMiax</author>
	<datestamp>1265136300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. Only high level crimes are covered by that. The conviction issued is not enough. Actually they would not be arrested at all, up to two years are automatically discounted if it is you first offence. The verdict is something like "the law says you are guilty, but it is not so bad, you know".</p><p>I read it like a heads up for the parliament to change the law. Of course this parliament is corrupt and will likely just ignore the warning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
Only high level crimes are covered by that .
The conviction issued is not enough .
Actually they would not be arrested at all , up to two years are automatically discounted if it is you first offence .
The verdict is something like " the law says you are guilty , but it is not so bad , you know " .I read it like a heads up for the parliament to change the law .
Of course this parliament is corrupt and will likely just ignore the warning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
Only high level crimes are covered by that.
The conviction issued is not enough.
Actually they would not be arrested at all, up to two years are automatically discounted if it is you first offence.
The verdict is something like "the law says you are guilty, but it is not so bad, you know".I read it like a heads up for the parliament to change the law.
Of course this parliament is corrupt and will likely just ignore the warning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258600</id>
	<title>Great big targets</title>
	<author>ItsColdOverHere</author>
	<datestamp>1265122560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Italy has basically painted a great big target on every single operator of social media.<br>Apparently if an Italian moderator or admin ticks me off I can simply upload some offending bit of data and call the cops...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Italy has basically painted a great big target on every single operator of social media.Apparently if an Italian moderator or admin ticks me off I can simply upload some offending bit of data and call the cops.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Italy has basically painted a great big target on every single operator of social media.Apparently if an Italian moderator or admin ticks me off I can simply upload some offending bit of data and call the cops...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259282</id>
	<title>Re:Wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This is so far over the top...based on the couple of different sources I have seen this story so far, Google immediately complied when asked to take the video down, assisted the authorities in finding the culprits, and fully cooperated....and the EXECUTIVES, who amount to pencil pushers with decision making powers, get convicted? Seriously, what the hell...that makes no sense.</i></p><p>Yes, it's ridiculous in general.</p><p>The part about executives is that in Italy, executives are held responsible for criminal actions of the corporation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is so far over the top...based on the couple of different sources I have seen this story so far , Google immediately complied when asked to take the video down , assisted the authorities in finding the culprits , and fully cooperated....and the EXECUTIVES , who amount to pencil pushers with decision making powers , get convicted ?
Seriously , what the hell...that makes no sense.Yes , it 's ridiculous in general.The part about executives is that in Italy , executives are held responsible for criminal actions of the corporation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is so far over the top...based on the couple of different sources I have seen this story so far, Google immediately complied when asked to take the video down, assisted the authorities in finding the culprits, and fully cooperated....and the EXECUTIVES, who amount to pencil pushers with decision making powers, get convicted?
Seriously, what the hell...that makes no sense.Yes, it's ridiculous in general.The part about executives is that in Italy, executives are held responsible for criminal actions of the corporation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258720</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31268574</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Vastad</author>
	<datestamp>1265132400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wish I had mod points. This is exactly what I suspect.</p><p>This judgement is just to set suitably exploitable precedent for further action months or years down the line.</p><p>What I expect is Sod's Law to take enthusiastic effect however. A totally unforeseen party of interests will (not might, <i>will</i>) exploit this precedent for their own ends, for better or worse and will cause more headaches than desired.</p><p>Whatever happens, it will continue to suck for the common man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wish I had mod points .
This is exactly what I suspect.This judgement is just to set suitably exploitable precedent for further action months or years down the line.What I expect is Sod 's Law to take enthusiastic effect however .
A totally unforeseen party of interests will ( not might , will ) exploit this precedent for their own ends , for better or worse and will cause more headaches than desired.Whatever happens , it will continue to suck for the common man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wish I had mod points.
This is exactly what I suspect.This judgement is just to set suitably exploitable precedent for further action months or years down the line.What I expect is Sod's Law to take enthusiastic effect however.
A totally unforeseen party of interests will (not might, will) exploit this precedent for their own ends, for better or worse and will cause more headaches than desired.Whatever happens, it will continue to suck for the common man.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259156</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31320612</id>
	<title>Re:So basically...</title>
	<author>Dumnezeu</author>
	<datestamp>1267476060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technically, you are guilty. In many countries and states it is illegal to be in possession of a controlled substance or certain weapons regardless of the way you got it. As long as it is in your possession or on your property, you're guilty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically , you are guilty .
In many countries and states it is illegal to be in possession of a controlled substance or certain weapons regardless of the way you got it .
As long as it is in your possession or on your property , you 're guilty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technically, you are guilty.
In many countries and states it is illegal to be in possession of a controlled substance or certain weapons regardless of the way you got it.
As long as it is in your possession or on your property, you're guilty.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258650</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263336</id>
	<title>Re:Great big targets</title>
	<author>marcosdumay</author>
	<datestamp>1265142960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My home computer already automaticaly dischards any packet with the Evil Flag set. Really, when will google come along?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My home computer already automaticaly dischards any packet with the Evil Flag set .
Really , when will google come along ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My home computer already automaticaly dischards any packet with the Evil Flag set.
Really, when will google come along?
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259188</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259076</id>
	<title>Re:In Italy</title>
	<author>Engeekneer</author>
	<datestamp>1265125020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> It makes us feel "save" in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.</p></div><p>Or we could just load and try again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes us feel " save " in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.Or we could just load and try again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It makes us feel "save" in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.Or we could just load and try again.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258840</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259272</id>
	<title>Misleading Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>tjhayes</author>
	<datestamp>1265126160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I first read the summary, I thought that the 3 google executives were the ones who DID THE BULLYING. The Title certainly doesn't make it clear either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I first read the summary , I thought that the 3 google executives were the ones who DID THE BULLYING .
The Title certainly does n't make it clear either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I first read the summary, I thought that the 3 google executives were the ones who DID THE BULLYING.
The Title certainly doesn't make it clear either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260646</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;This is political.<br>&gt;I would wager that this is Berlusconi's way of trying to control the web, you</p><p>I think you don't know much about Italy.</p><p>Even the enemies of Berlusconi would tell you he is not controlling the judges. The majority of judges/prosecutors are leftist; judges/prosecutors cannot basically be removed or fired even if they do something really bad or don't show up for work; there's constant attrition between Berlusconi and judges so much so that the opposite of what you said is true: if a judge can do something against Berlusconi chances are that he will do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; This is political. &gt; I would wager that this is Berlusconi 's way of trying to control the web , youI think you do n't know much about Italy.Even the enemies of Berlusconi would tell you he is not controlling the judges .
The majority of judges/prosecutors are leftist ; judges/prosecutors can not basically be removed or fired even if they do something really bad or do n't show up for work ; there 's constant attrition between Berlusconi and judges so much so that the opposite of what you said is true : if a judge can do something against Berlusconi chances are that he will do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;This is political.&gt;I would wager that this is Berlusconi's way of trying to control the web, youI think you don't know much about Italy.Even the enemies of Berlusconi would tell you he is not controlling the judges.
The majority of judges/prosecutors are leftist; judges/prosecutors cannot basically be removed or fired even if they do something really bad or don't show up for work; there's constant attrition between Berlusconi and judges so much so that the opposite of what you said is true: if a judge can do something against Berlusconi chances are that he will do it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259156</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259444</id>
	<title>Re:Mistake</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1265127120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, you don't have to be an expert in Italian law.  The safe harbour provisions in the EUCD and EU eCommerce directives supersede Italian law in this case, and these explicitly indemnify Google as long as they deal with removal requests in a timely manner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , you do n't have to be an expert in Italian law .
The safe harbour provisions in the EUCD and EU eCommerce directives supersede Italian law in this case , and these explicitly indemnify Google as long as they deal with removal requests in a timely manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, you don't have to be an expert in Italian law.
The safe harbour provisions in the EUCD and EU eCommerce directives supersede Italian law in this case, and these explicitly indemnify Google as long as they deal with removal requests in a timely manner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258806</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260106</id>
	<title>How does that extrapolation go?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1265129700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If [this] is a valid precedent, then in any moment slashdot admins could be convicted in Italy for an AC comment.</p></div><p>I think the safest best is that the slashdot mothership corporation CEO's might be held liable for slashdot posts.</p><p>Exactly what do you mean by admins?  Sysadmins?  Were any Google sysadmins held liable in this case?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Or any of us, if we didnt promoted down that comment when had moderating points.</p></div><p>Were any youtube users held liable in this case?</p><p>Exactly what do you base your statements on?  I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know Italian law, but I think it <em>could</em> say that CEOs are liable, but not other staff and certainly not users/consumers/customers.  How do you know it doesn't?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If [ this ] is a valid precedent , then in any moment slashdot admins could be convicted in Italy for an AC comment.I think the safest best is that the slashdot mothership corporation CEO 's might be held liable for slashdot posts.Exactly what do you mean by admins ?
Sysadmins ? Were any Google sysadmins held liable in this case ? Or any of us , if we didnt promoted down that comment when had moderating points.Were any youtube users held liable in this case ? Exactly what do you base your statements on ?
I 'm not a lawyer , and I do n't know Italian law , but I think it could say that CEOs are liable , but not other staff and certainly not users/consumers/customers .
How do you know it does n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If [this] is a valid precedent, then in any moment slashdot admins could be convicted in Italy for an AC comment.I think the safest best is that the slashdot mothership corporation CEO's might be held liable for slashdot posts.Exactly what do you mean by admins?
Sysadmins?  Were any Google sysadmins held liable in this case?Or any of us, if we didnt promoted down that comment when had moderating points.Were any youtube users held liable in this case?Exactly what do you base your statements on?
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know Italian law, but I think it could say that CEOs are liable, but not other staff and certainly not users/consumers/customers.
How do you know it doesn't?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259052</id>
	<title>USA! USA!</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1265124900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just felt the obligatory moment of patriotism over living in a country with a relatively non-retarded legal system.  Let's face it.  The rest of the world sucks.  Or at least they never took the time to read and understand what de Tocqueville meant about the uniqueness of America's judicial system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just felt the obligatory moment of patriotism over living in a country with a relatively non-retarded legal system .
Let 's face it .
The rest of the world sucks .
Or at least they never took the time to read and understand what de Tocqueville meant about the uniqueness of America 's judicial system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just felt the obligatory moment of patriotism over living in a country with a relatively non-retarded legal system.
Let's face it.
The rest of the world sucks.
Or at least they never took the time to read and understand what de Tocqueville meant about the uniqueness of America's judicial system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259458</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1265127180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>More likely they'll just get someone to write an auto-decline script for everything that's not a pre-approved government release. You're not thinking <i>government</i> enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More likely they 'll just get someone to write an auto-decline script for everything that 's not a pre-approved government release .
You 're not thinking government enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More likely they'll just get someone to write an auto-decline script for everything that's not a pre-approved government release.
You're not thinking government enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258682</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259156</id>
	<title>Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1265125500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is political.</p><p>I would wager that this is Berlusconi's way of trying to control the web, you have to keep in mind this is a man who has a stranglehold on Italian media, and has used that to get into, and stay in power over the years. The web has been a headache for him, because it's an avenue from which people are getting news and which he does not control.</p><p>The judges may well be incompetent, or corrupt, but really they're just pawns in a bigger battle.</p><p>It's really hard to see how it can be anything else, I do not believe judges would reach the conclusion they did based on the fact that Google had done everything possible in their power, and based on the fact the people at Google in question who were targetted, are in some cases completely irrelevant and unattached to anything to do with the case.</p><p>It's likely that these people were chosen because they were high enough to make a point, but not the top dogs who really would have been able to unleash hell and fight back.</p><p>This is certainly one way in which Berlusconi could try and control the web such that it adheres to his viewpoint as much of the Italian media that he controls does, by ensuring that content providers are criminally responsible for anything put up that the government disagrees with. It's not a big deal for the Google execs, because they will likely never travel to Italy and so the case wont effect them- but picture this, you run a site in Italy critical of the Italian PM, you post photos of him carrying out an illegal deal, and, well, now you know where it will land you at least- jail. Anyone not from Italy doing the same, faces jail if they ever decide to travel to Italy after being convicted of the same.</p><p>It's almost as if Berlusconi has been taking lessons from the likes of Chavez and Ahmadinejad recently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is political.I would wager that this is Berlusconi 's way of trying to control the web , you have to keep in mind this is a man who has a stranglehold on Italian media , and has used that to get into , and stay in power over the years .
The web has been a headache for him , because it 's an avenue from which people are getting news and which he does not control.The judges may well be incompetent , or corrupt , but really they 're just pawns in a bigger battle.It 's really hard to see how it can be anything else , I do not believe judges would reach the conclusion they did based on the fact that Google had done everything possible in their power , and based on the fact the people at Google in question who were targetted , are in some cases completely irrelevant and unattached to anything to do with the case.It 's likely that these people were chosen because they were high enough to make a point , but not the top dogs who really would have been able to unleash hell and fight back.This is certainly one way in which Berlusconi could try and control the web such that it adheres to his viewpoint as much of the Italian media that he controls does , by ensuring that content providers are criminally responsible for anything put up that the government disagrees with .
It 's not a big deal for the Google execs , because they will likely never travel to Italy and so the case wont effect them- but picture this , you run a site in Italy critical of the Italian PM , you post photos of him carrying out an illegal deal , and , well , now you know where it will land you at least- jail .
Anyone not from Italy doing the same , faces jail if they ever decide to travel to Italy after being convicted of the same.It 's almost as if Berlusconi has been taking lessons from the likes of Chavez and Ahmadinejad recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is political.I would wager that this is Berlusconi's way of trying to control the web, you have to keep in mind this is a man who has a stranglehold on Italian media, and has used that to get into, and stay in power over the years.
The web has been a headache for him, because it's an avenue from which people are getting news and which he does not control.The judges may well be incompetent, or corrupt, but really they're just pawns in a bigger battle.It's really hard to see how it can be anything else, I do not believe judges would reach the conclusion they did based on the fact that Google had done everything possible in their power, and based on the fact the people at Google in question who were targetted, are in some cases completely irrelevant and unattached to anything to do with the case.It's likely that these people were chosen because they were high enough to make a point, but not the top dogs who really would have been able to unleash hell and fight back.This is certainly one way in which Berlusconi could try and control the web such that it adheres to his viewpoint as much of the Italian media that he controls does, by ensuring that content providers are criminally responsible for anything put up that the government disagrees with.
It's not a big deal for the Google execs, because they will likely never travel to Italy and so the case wont effect them- but picture this, you run a site in Italy critical of the Italian PM, you post photos of him carrying out an illegal deal, and, well, now you know where it will land you at least- jail.
Anyone not from Italy doing the same, faces jail if they ever decide to travel to Italy after being convicted of the same.It's almost as if Berlusconi has been taking lessons from the likes of Chavez and Ahmadinejad recently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258656</id>
	<title>Bread and circuses</title>
	<author>pv2b</author>
	<datestamp>1265122860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is ridiculous.</p><p>If Youtube is illegal in Italy, maybe Google should just start blocking people from Italy from accessing the site. Maybe then people will care, when the people's bread and circuses are threatened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is ridiculous.If Youtube is illegal in Italy , maybe Google should just start blocking people from Italy from accessing the site .
Maybe then people will care , when the people 's bread and circuses are threatened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is ridiculous.If Youtube is illegal in Italy, maybe Google should just start blocking people from Italy from accessing the site.
Maybe then people will care, when the people's bread and circuses are threatened.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259664</id>
	<title>The Inquisition, lets begin...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, that song just popped in my head while reading this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , that song just popped in my head while reading this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, that song just popped in my head while reading this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258820</id>
	<title>Interesting Reply</title>
	<author>halcyon1234</author>
	<datestamp>1265123700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>[[ Interesting commentary waiting on permission from CmdrTaco, FTWinston, and the Italian Government ]]</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ [ Interesting commentary waiting on permission from CmdrTaco , FTWinston , and the Italian Government ] ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[[ Interesting commentary waiting on permission from CmdrTaco, FTWinston, and the Italian Government ]]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261806</id>
	<title>Re:Bread and circuses</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1265136720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, that's an excellent solution.  Google is playing the role of publisher and as such it is not unreasonable to hold them to the same standards.  It is also reasonable to regard them as something new - a distributor that has no responsibility for the content they are distributing.  If Italy wants to take the former approach then Google just has to only allow Italian access to content they have vetted.</p><p>It's not a "serious threat to the web."  It's a threat to Google's advertising profit margin in Italy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , that 's an excellent solution .
Google is playing the role of publisher and as such it is not unreasonable to hold them to the same standards .
It is also reasonable to regard them as something new - a distributor that has no responsibility for the content they are distributing .
If Italy wants to take the former approach then Google just has to only allow Italian access to content they have vetted.It 's not a " serious threat to the web .
" It 's a threat to Google 's advertising profit margin in Italy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, that's an excellent solution.
Google is playing the role of publisher and as such it is not unreasonable to hold them to the same standards.
It is also reasonable to regard them as something new - a distributor that has no responsibility for the content they are distributing.
If Italy wants to take the former approach then Google just has to only allow Italian access to content they have vetted.It's not a "serious threat to the web.
"  It's a threat to Google's advertising profit margin in Italy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260612</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dunno, Italian judges are not exactly known for their pro-Berlusconi stance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dunno , Italian judges are not exactly known for their pro-Berlusconi stance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dunno, Italian judges are not exactly known for their pro-Berlusconi stance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31268498</id>
	<title>How many errors in one sentence?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Three Italian Google executives have been convicted of privacy violations in Italy over the contents of a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome being bullied</p></div><p>According to the linked article, the Google executives are not Italian, it was a Google Video (rather than YouTube) video, and the boy was autistic (not Downs [sic] syndrome). If the article didn't say it, where the hell did the information come from?</p><p>dom</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Three Italian Google executives have been convicted of privacy violations in Italy over the contents of a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome being bulliedAccording to the linked article , the Google executives are not Italian , it was a Google Video ( rather than YouTube ) video , and the boy was autistic ( not Downs [ sic ] syndrome ) .
If the article did n't say it , where the hell did the information come from ? dom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Three Italian Google executives have been convicted of privacy violations in Italy over the contents of a YouTube video showing a boy with Downs syndrome being bulliedAccording to the linked article, the Google executives are not Italian, it was a Google Video (rather than YouTube) video, and the boy was autistic (not Downs [sic] syndrome).
If the article didn't say it, where the hell did the information come from?dom
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31262796</id>
	<title>Re:Great big targets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but using the exact same video. And this boy will now become *the* boy with Downs syndrome known all over the net. And probably bullied for the rest of his life. Gah, those idiots..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but using the exact same video .
And this boy will now become * the * boy with Downs syndrome known all over the net .
And probably bullied for the rest of his life .
Gah , those idiots. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but using the exact same video.
And this boy will now become *the* boy with Downs syndrome known all over the net.
And probably bullied for the rest of his life.
Gah, those idiots..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259758</id>
	<title>Re:Mistake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, yes, it makes him a bad judge. He could have chosen not too by simply weighing the absurdity. He didn't. Their job is not to simply follow the laws to the letter, that's the lawyers job (and ignore the ones not helping their client). The judge then decides whether for this particular case it should be applied. Otherwise what would be the point of a judge?<br>I'm sorry your patriotic feelings are clouding your judgment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , yes , it makes him a bad judge .
He could have chosen not too by simply weighing the absurdity .
He did n't .
Their job is not to simply follow the laws to the letter , that 's the lawyers job ( and ignore the ones not helping their client ) .
The judge then decides whether for this particular case it should be applied .
Otherwise what would be the point of a judge ? I 'm sorry your patriotic feelings are clouding your judgment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, yes, it makes him a bad judge.
He could have chosen not too by simply weighing the absurdity.
He didn't.
Their job is not to simply follow the laws to the letter, that's the lawyers job (and ignore the ones not helping their client).
The judge then decides whether for this particular case it should be applied.
Otherwise what would be the point of a judge?I'm sorry your patriotic feelings are clouding your judgment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258806</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263154</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Nikker</author>
	<datestamp>1265142360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Best thing for Google to do is to make Youtube display results but for certain countries that laws like this reply have the video "unavailable until reviewed" for 90\% of their videos and take their sweet time reviewing them.  If the people being blocked don't like it they can fight to change the laws other wise they can just watch lolcats (after of course said felines are contacted and grant permission).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best thing for Google to do is to make Youtube display results but for certain countries that laws like this reply have the video " unavailable until reviewed " for 90 \ % of their videos and take their sweet time reviewing them .
If the people being blocked do n't like it they can fight to change the laws other wise they can just watch lolcats ( after of course said felines are contacted and grant permission ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best thing for Google to do is to make Youtube display results but for certain countries that laws like this reply have the video "unavailable until reviewed" for 90\% of their videos and take their sweet time reviewing them.
If the people being blocked don't like it they can fight to change the laws other wise they can just watch lolcats (after of course said felines are contacted and grant permission).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259156</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260042</id>
	<title>Re:In Italy</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1265129520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's certainly not the best nationality to have but I haven't came across a better one so far.</p></div><p>Wait, if you haven't come across a nationality that's better than yours, how do you know such one exists?</p><p>&lt;/pedantic&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's certainly not the best nationality to have but I have n't came across a better one so far.Wait , if you have n't come across a nationality that 's better than yours , how do you know such one exists ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's certainly not the best nationality to have but I haven't came across a better one so far.Wait, if you haven't come across a nationality that's better than yours, how do you know such one exists?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259770</id>
	<title>Re:What?!?</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1265128260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ultimately what the ruling says is that YouTube is illegal.  <br> <br>
Google's only option is to have a service that gets explicit permission from anyone featured in the video before posting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ultimately what the ruling says is that YouTube is illegal .
Google 's only option is to have a service that gets explicit permission from anyone featured in the video before posting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ultimately what the ruling says is that YouTube is illegal.
Google's only option is to have a service that gets explicit permission from anyone featured in the video before posting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259330</id>
	<title>Re:Mistake</title>
	<author>JohnFluxx</author>
	<datestamp>1265126460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge,"   uh, yes it does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge , " uh , yes it does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge,"   uh, yes it does.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258806</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261118</id>
	<title>Good for them</title>
	<author>HoldmyCauls</author>
	<datestamp>1265134020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find myself surprisingly on the side of the convictors in this case.  I don't care if every stupid video of some cretin doing something nasty gets posted publicly; free speech is a great thing, but it should not be Google's position to blindly defend it.  Providing a place for this kind of media results in a gray area for the behavior depicted.</p><p>Copyright belongs to the person behind the camera, admittedly.  However, responsibility for showing to the world mistreatment of living beings does fall to Google for *not* screening it privately first.</p><p>There can be other places to post videos of cruel behavior; Google does not to staunchly defend people's rights here, and unless they mean to, they should admit responsibility and discontinue allowing inappropriate media to be posted.  If they don't want to provide the resources for financial or other reason, fine.  Stop allowing posting altogether and get out of the video-hosting business.  If they want to provide a place for people to show their true selves, however, they should be prepared to defend them or accept punishment on their behalf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find myself surprisingly on the side of the convictors in this case .
I do n't care if every stupid video of some cretin doing something nasty gets posted publicly ; free speech is a great thing , but it should not be Google 's position to blindly defend it .
Providing a place for this kind of media results in a gray area for the behavior depicted.Copyright belongs to the person behind the camera , admittedly .
However , responsibility for showing to the world mistreatment of living beings does fall to Google for * not * screening it privately first.There can be other places to post videos of cruel behavior ; Google does not to staunchly defend people 's rights here , and unless they mean to , they should admit responsibility and discontinue allowing inappropriate media to be posted .
If they do n't want to provide the resources for financial or other reason , fine .
Stop allowing posting altogether and get out of the video-hosting business .
If they want to provide a place for people to show their true selves , however , they should be prepared to defend them or accept punishment on their behalf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find myself surprisingly on the side of the convictors in this case.
I don't care if every stupid video of some cretin doing something nasty gets posted publicly; free speech is a great thing, but it should not be Google's position to blindly defend it.
Providing a place for this kind of media results in a gray area for the behavior depicted.Copyright belongs to the person behind the camera, admittedly.
However, responsibility for showing to the world mistreatment of living beings does fall to Google for *not* screening it privately first.There can be other places to post videos of cruel behavior; Google does not to staunchly defend people's rights here, and unless they mean to, they should admit responsibility and discontinue allowing inappropriate media to be posted.
If they don't want to provide the resources for financial or other reason, fine.
Stop allowing posting altogether and get out of the video-hosting business.
If they want to provide a place for people to show their true selves, however, they should be prepared to defend them or accept punishment on their behalf.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259266</id>
	<title>Tried accessing YouTube from the Rome...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Youtube.com is inaccessible from your country."<br>
Error 1942 - Fascist exception overflow.  Please disable Axis powers and reload the page.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Youtube.com is inaccessible from your country .
" Error 1942 - Fascist exception overflow .
Please disable Axis powers and reload the page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Youtube.com is inaccessible from your country.
"
Error 1942 - Fascist exception overflow.
Please disable Axis powers and reload the page.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258762</id>
	<title>Re:American values in conflict here</title>
	<author>garg0yle</author>
	<datestamp>1265123340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In this case, it was more of a conflict between free speech and the privacy of others, since they were conflicted of violating the Italian privacy code (which is pretty stringent).  For the record, your right to free speech stops somewhere before you post my personal information on the 'net.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this case , it was more of a conflict between free speech and the privacy of others , since they were conflicted of violating the Italian privacy code ( which is pretty stringent ) .
For the record , your right to free speech stops somewhere before you post my personal information on the 'net .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this case, it was more of a conflict between free speech and the privacy of others, since they were conflicted of violating the Italian privacy code (which is pretty stringent).
For the record, your right to free speech stops somewhere before you post my personal information on the 'net.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258680</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258816</id>
	<title>It's no surprise.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all know Italians aren't the brightest or best people. Don't any of you watch The Jersey Shore show on MTV?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all know Italians are n't the brightest or best people .
Do n't any of you watch The Jersey Shore show on MTV ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all know Italians aren't the brightest or best people.
Don't any of you watch The Jersey Shore show on MTV?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259074</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, it should also follow the local laws in places like Iran and China then, in terms of content that can be posted?</p><p>The people convicted don't even live in Italy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it should also follow the local laws in places like Iran and China then , in terms of content that can be posted ? The people convicted do n't even live in Italy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it should also follow the local laws in places like Iran and China then, in terms of content that can be posted?The people convicted don't even live in Italy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259760</id>
	<title>Re:What did you expect?</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1265128260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the insight - never saw it that way</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the insight - never saw it that way</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the insight - never saw it that way</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258970</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259410</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>addsalt</author>
	<datestamp>1265126880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this is Google's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.</p></div><p>To take it to the next step, wouldn't it depend on where the Google server was located that held the video? If it is in another country that doesn't have the same laws, why wouldn't we charge the ISP that was transporting illegal material into the country? If it is a local law, then putting video of this person is legal until you bring it into the country. It isn't like Google is forcing content into the country.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is Google 's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.To take it to the next step , would n't it depend on where the Google server was located that held the video ?
If it is in another country that does n't have the same laws , why would n't we charge the ISP that was transporting illegal material into the country ?
If it is a local law , then putting video of this person is legal until you bring it into the country .
It is n't like Google is forcing content into the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is Google's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.To take it to the next step, wouldn't it depend on where the Google server was located that held the video?
If it is in another country that doesn't have the same laws, why wouldn't we charge the ISP that was transporting illegal material into the country?
If it is a local law, then putting video of this person is legal until you bring it into the country.
It isn't like Google is forcing content into the country.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258696</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260424</id>
	<title>Re:What did you expect?</title>
	<author>Modern Demagogue</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think yours is one of the most insightful comments here; but you come to the wrong conclusion.
<br> <br>
Of course there is an element of protectionism of Berlusconi's traditional media empire; but why exactly should Google have a media distribution network that is not subject to the same standards? None of his papers, magazines, or television networks can publish or air content without clearing the rights in a traditional manner, so why should Google continue to enjoy the free ride that the rest of the world has given them?
<br> <br>
When the DMCA was written in the US, the robotic exemption clause was included to protect actions like search and tasks that were completely automated and benign, but that could otherwise be construed as technically illegal. It was by no means intended to absolve internet content distributors of all duty to vet content before beginning distribution, but that is the effect it has had. YouTube sells ad space and changes the content flow; it no longer constitutes an automated content blind common carrier, and it should be subject to the restrictions placed on other distributors.
<br> <br>
Just my two cents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think yours is one of the most insightful comments here ; but you come to the wrong conclusion .
Of course there is an element of protectionism of Berlusconi 's traditional media empire ; but why exactly should Google have a media distribution network that is not subject to the same standards ?
None of his papers , magazines , or television networks can publish or air content without clearing the rights in a traditional manner , so why should Google continue to enjoy the free ride that the rest of the world has given them ?
When the DMCA was written in the US , the robotic exemption clause was included to protect actions like search and tasks that were completely automated and benign , but that could otherwise be construed as technically illegal .
It was by no means intended to absolve internet content distributors of all duty to vet content before beginning distribution , but that is the effect it has had .
YouTube sells ad space and changes the content flow ; it no longer constitutes an automated content blind common carrier , and it should be subject to the restrictions placed on other distributors .
Just my two cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think yours is one of the most insightful comments here; but you come to the wrong conclusion.
Of course there is an element of protectionism of Berlusconi's traditional media empire; but why exactly should Google have a media distribution network that is not subject to the same standards?
None of his papers, magazines, or television networks can publish or air content without clearing the rights in a traditional manner, so why should Google continue to enjoy the free ride that the rest of the world has given them?
When the DMCA was written in the US, the robotic exemption clause was included to protect actions like search and tasks that were completely automated and benign, but that could otherwise be construed as technically illegal.
It was by no means intended to absolve internet content distributors of all duty to vet content before beginning distribution, but that is the effect it has had.
YouTube sells ad space and changes the content flow; it no longer constitutes an automated content blind common carrier, and it should be subject to the restrictions placed on other distributors.
Just my two cents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258970</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259686</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this is the country put in charge of rebuilding Afghanistan's Court System.</p><p>Wait...that just might work!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this is the country put in charge of rebuilding Afghanistan 's Court System.Wait...that just might work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this is the country put in charge of rebuilding Afghanistan's Court System.Wait...that just might work!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258618</id>
	<title>Mistake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265122680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This seems to be a mistake by the particular court that tried the case. Don't the Italians have an appeals process? It's just silly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems to be a mistake by the particular court that tried the case .
Do n't the Italians have an appeals process ?
It 's just silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems to be a mistake by the particular court that tried the case.
Don't the Italians have an appeals process?
It's just silly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31266488</id>
	<title>Re:What did you expect?</title>
	<author>lmollea</author>
	<datestamp>1265113980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you say abour Berlusconi is true, but I don't agree at all with your position. This is purely a question of ignorance and not or politics or of media control.

Italian Judges (especially those of Milan district) aren't known for their helping attitude toward Berlusconi or his companies. The Judge who sentenced Google was the same judge who sentenced a public officer for the CIA/Abu Omar affaire (where the government was censored for his acts).

Believe me, that kind ignorance it's fairly common among our judges.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you say abour Berlusconi is true , but I do n't agree at all with your position .
This is purely a question of ignorance and not or politics or of media control .
Italian Judges ( especially those of Milan district ) are n't known for their helping attitude toward Berlusconi or his companies .
The Judge who sentenced Google was the same judge who sentenced a public officer for the CIA/Abu Omar affaire ( where the government was censored for his acts ) .
Believe me , that kind ignorance it 's fairly common among our judges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you say abour Berlusconi is true, but I don't agree at all with your position.
This is purely a question of ignorance and not or politics or of media control.
Italian Judges (especially those of Milan district) aren't known for their helping attitude toward Berlusconi or his companies.
The Judge who sentenced Google was the same judge who sentenced a public officer for the CIA/Abu Omar affaire (where the government was censored for his acts).
Believe me, that kind ignorance it's fairly common among our judges.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258970</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259190</id>
	<title>Keep in mind...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265125680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... That Berlusconi, beside being the president of that country, is too the manager of almost every TV stations in Italy (Mediaset).<br>I live in Switzerland, and I cannot find it again, but I read some weeks ago that a law was to be enforced to regulate the viewing of on demand video.</p><p>The article was relating the big amount of money that where being put into a on-demand video platform for mediaset at the same time, and how youtube was the first competitor to put aside.<br><a href="http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=450891" title="totaltele.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=450891</a> [totaltele.com]<br><a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Berlusconi-s-Government-Plans-to-Severely-Restrict-Online-Video-in-Italy-132350.shtml" title="softpedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.softpedia.com/news/Berlusconi-s-Government-Plans-to-Severely-Restrict-Online-Video-in-Italy-132350.shtml</a> [softpedia.com]</p><p>Given the fact that Berlusconi says all the time that "The bad journalists are attacking me without reasons all the time" <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/10/15/f-berlusconi-saga.html" title="www.cbc.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/10/15/f-berlusconi-saga.html</a> [www.cbc.ca], and how he consider that the fist in face he received some times ago was "organized and planed via facebook" <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&amp;sid=alDDK9lGqxtY" title="bloomberg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&amp;sid=alDDK9lGqxtY</a> [bloomberg.com] I am not that surprised of that move.<br>After all, he passed a law giving him immunity in every lawsuit for corruption that where opened against him when he came back to the government.<br><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/18/silvio-berlusconi-immunity-prosecution" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/18/silvio-berlusconi-immunity-prosecution</a> [guardian.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... That Berlusconi , beside being the president of that country , is too the manager of almost every TV stations in Italy ( Mediaset ) .I live in Switzerland , and I can not find it again , but I read some weeks ago that a law was to be enforced to regulate the viewing of on demand video.The article was relating the big amount of money that where being put into a on-demand video platform for mediaset at the same time , and how youtube was the first competitor to put aside.http : //www.totaltele.com/view.aspx ? ID = 450891 [ totaltele.com ] http : //news.softpedia.com/news/Berlusconi-s-Government-Plans-to-Severely-Restrict-Online-Video-in-Italy-132350.shtml [ softpedia.com ] Given the fact that Berlusconi says all the time that " The bad journalists are attacking me without reasons all the time " http : //www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/10/15/f-berlusconi-saga.html [ www.cbc.ca ] , and how he consider that the fist in face he received some times ago was " organized and planed via facebook " http : //www.bloomberg.com/apps/news ? pid = 20601085&amp;sid = alDDK9lGqxtY [ bloomberg.com ] I am not that surprised of that move.After all , he passed a law giving him immunity in every lawsuit for corruption that where opened against him when he came back to the government.http : //www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/18/silvio-berlusconi-immunity-prosecution [ guardian.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... That Berlusconi, beside being the president of that country, is too the manager of almost every TV stations in Italy (Mediaset).I live in Switzerland, and I cannot find it again, but I read some weeks ago that a law was to be enforced to regulate the viewing of on demand video.The article was relating the big amount of money that where being put into a on-demand video platform for mediaset at the same time, and how youtube was the first competitor to put aside.http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=450891 [totaltele.com]http://news.softpedia.com/news/Berlusconi-s-Government-Plans-to-Severely-Restrict-Online-Video-in-Italy-132350.shtml [softpedia.com]Given the fact that Berlusconi says all the time that "The bad journalists are attacking me without reasons all the time" http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/10/15/f-berlusconi-saga.html [www.cbc.ca], and how he consider that the fist in face he received some times ago was "organized and planed via facebook" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&amp;sid=alDDK9lGqxtY [bloomberg.com] I am not that surprised of that move.After all, he passed a law giving him immunity in every lawsuit for corruption that where opened against him when he came back to the government.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/18/silvio-berlusconi-immunity-prosecution [guardian.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259704</id>
	<title>Might Italy be good for some libel tourism ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know of a privately run school in Singapore which has been trying very hard for many months apparently to shut down a parents' blog carrying rather negative comments. (I am not naming anyone except jurisdiction, I better protect my own cowardly/anonymous arse).</p><p>A defamation suit is plodding along but the content may be too weak for take down. Trade Mark threats has been tried with no success. Surveillance, extra legal methods, nothing works apparently!</p><p>If a little trip to Italy will help them, they might explore.</p><p>(BTW, it was India Police and Google which helped the school find the parents in Singapore. What irony now!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know of a privately run school in Singapore which has been trying very hard for many months apparently to shut down a parents ' blog carrying rather negative comments .
( I am not naming anyone except jurisdiction , I better protect my own cowardly/anonymous arse ) .A defamation suit is plodding along but the content may be too weak for take down .
Trade Mark threats has been tried with no success .
Surveillance , extra legal methods , nothing works apparently ! If a little trip to Italy will help them , they might explore .
( BTW , it was India Police and Google which helped the school find the parents in Singapore .
What irony now !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know of a privately run school in Singapore which has been trying very hard for many months apparently to shut down a parents' blog carrying rather negative comments.
(I am not naming anyone except jurisdiction, I better protect my own cowardly/anonymous arse).A defamation suit is plodding along but the content may be too weak for take down.
Trade Mark threats has been tried with no success.
Surveillance, extra legal methods, nothing works apparently!If a little trip to Italy will help them, they might explore.
(BTW, it was India Police and Google which helped the school find the parents in Singapore.
What irony now!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31262472</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>Chyeld</author>
	<datestamp>1265139300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You and everyone else in this particular thread are apparently ignorant of the fact that the people convicted are Italian employees of Google Italy (thus the whole, never traveling to Italy thing is a bit silly) and the sentence is already suspended (thus no reason to for the government to track them down anyway).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You and everyone else in this particular thread are apparently ignorant of the fact that the people convicted are Italian employees of Google Italy ( thus the whole , never traveling to Italy thing is a bit silly ) and the sentence is already suspended ( thus no reason to for the government to track them down anyway ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You and everyone else in this particular thread are apparently ignorant of the fact that the people convicted are Italian employees of Google Italy (thus the whole, never traveling to Italy thing is a bit silly) and the sentence is already suspended (thus no reason to for the government to track them down anyway).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260216</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258668</id>
	<title>frist 5top</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265122920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Trying To dissect</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trying To dissect</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trying To dissect</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258982</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>Adrian Lopez</author>
	<datestamp>1265124540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't know Italian privacy law, but if they do have requirements that you must get permission to post video recordings of people on the internet, then this is Google's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.</p></div></blockquote><p>Google aren't the ones who posted the video -- they are just the conduit. If Italian authorities wish to take action against those who post videos without permission then let them pursue those who actually <i>choose</i> to post them instead of those who provide the platform.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know Italian privacy law , but if they do have requirements that you must get permission to post video recordings of people on the internet , then this is Google 's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.Google are n't the ones who posted the video -- they are just the conduit .
If Italian authorities wish to take action against those who post videos without permission then let them pursue those who actually choose to post them instead of those who provide the platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know Italian privacy law, but if they do have requirements that you must get permission to post video recordings of people on the internet, then this is Google's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.Google aren't the ones who posted the video -- they are just the conduit.
If Italian authorities wish to take action against those who post videos without permission then let them pursue those who actually choose to post them instead of those who provide the platform.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261954</id>
	<title>Re:Great big targets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265137260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really.<br>If the blogger leaves his blog uncontrolled for weeks. Then, yes, you can call the police.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really.If the blogger leaves his blog uncontrolled for weeks .
Then , yes , you can call the police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.If the blogger leaves his blog uncontrolled for weeks.
Then, yes, you can call the police.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263634</id>
	<title>Not "italian execs"... at least 2 are USA</title>
	<author>jurgen</author>
	<datestamp>1265144340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of the 3 executives who were convicted only one could be called an "italian exec" (former Google Italy board member George De Los Reyes), the other two are David Drummond (Google's top lawyer) and Peter Fleischer (looks like he's an exec in charge of privacy) and are based in California.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of the 3 executives who were convicted only one could be called an " italian exec " ( former Google Italy board member George De Los Reyes ) , the other two are David Drummond ( Google 's top lawyer ) and Peter Fleischer ( looks like he 's an exec in charge of privacy ) and are based in California .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of the 3 executives who were convicted only one could be called an "italian exec" (former Google Italy board member George De Los Reyes), the other two are David Drummond (Google's top lawyer) and Peter Fleischer (looks like he's an exec in charge of privacy) and are based in California.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261880</id>
	<title>Google responsible ?</title>
	<author>eddyk</author>
	<datestamp>1265136960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google makes money from those videos posted on Youtube.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google makes money from those videos posted on Youtube .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google makes money from those videos posted on Youtube.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259308</id>
	<title>My heroes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is this the same Italy that let a a fugitive child rapist <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7750331.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">attend</a> [bbc.co.uk] an awards ceremony in their country without the slightest fear of arrest? So I guess it's okay to rape a kid as long as you don't bully them on Youtube? What noble defenders of our kids, that Italian government!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this the same Italy that let a a fugitive child rapist attend [ bbc.co.uk ] an awards ceremony in their country without the slightest fear of arrest ?
So I guess it 's okay to rape a kid as long as you do n't bully them on Youtube ?
What noble defenders of our kids , that Italian government !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this the same Italy that let a a fugitive child rapist attend [bbc.co.uk] an awards ceremony in their country without the slightest fear of arrest?
So I guess it's okay to rape a kid as long as you don't bully them on Youtube?
What noble defenders of our kids, that Italian government!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31262452</id>
	<title>Simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265139180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think anyone who's been watching Berlusconi's rise in political power, and the means he has employed to do so, and how he has used it to bouy his own media empire, would find it hard to believe he didn't have something to do with that clip appearing on youtube in the first place in order to spark the entire process.</p><p>Look around, its not even the first time HE has pulled something like this, its just now he's employing the tactic against the net rather than his industrial competitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think anyone who 's been watching Berlusconi 's rise in political power , and the means he has employed to do so , and how he has used it to bouy his own media empire , would find it hard to believe he did n't have something to do with that clip appearing on youtube in the first place in order to spark the entire process.Look around , its not even the first time HE has pulled something like this , its just now he 's employing the tactic against the net rather than his industrial competitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think anyone who's been watching Berlusconi's rise in political power, and the means he has employed to do so, and how he has used it to bouy his own media empire, would find it hard to believe he didn't have something to do with that clip appearing on youtube in the first place in order to spark the entire process.Look around, its not even the first time HE has pulled something like this, its just now he's employing the tactic against the net rather than his industrial competitors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259148</id>
	<title>Italian legal system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265125440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Italian legal system is a <b>FARCE</b>. The more I hear about how it operates the more I dislike it. How can the Italian people accept it? They found <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AmandaKnox/parents-convicted-murderer-amanda-knox-speak-oprah/story?id=9920832" title="go.com">Amanda Knox guilty</a> [go.com] after they already confirmed who the real perpetrator was.<br> <br>
Shame on Italy. Not that I'm in love with Google, but you guys are fucking stupid with your legal system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Italian legal system is a FARCE .
The more I hear about how it operates the more I dislike it .
How can the Italian people accept it ?
They found Amanda Knox guilty [ go.com ] after they already confirmed who the real perpetrator was .
Shame on Italy .
Not that I 'm in love with Google , but you guys are fucking stupid with your legal system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Italian legal system is a FARCE.
The more I hear about how it operates the more I dislike it.
How can the Italian people accept it?
They found Amanda Knox guilty [go.com] after they already confirmed who the real perpetrator was.
Shame on Italy.
Not that I'm in love with Google, but you guys are fucking stupid with your legal system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259406</id>
	<title>Re:Bread and circuses</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1265126820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except it's not the search engine that's being attacked, or whose competition would benefit, but the video service. Now, I'm not one to spread conspiracy theories, but doesn't someone <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio\_Berlusconi#Influence\_on\_the\_media" title="wikipedia.org">quite far up</a> [wikipedia.org] in their government have some media connections...?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except it 's not the search engine that 's being attacked , or whose competition would benefit , but the video service .
Now , I 'm not one to spread conspiracy theories , but does n't someone quite far up [ wikipedia.org ] in their government have some media connections... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except it's not the search engine that's being attacked, or whose competition would benefit, but the video service.
Now, I'm not one to spread conspiracy theories, but doesn't someone quite far up [wikipedia.org] in their government have some media connections...?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258748</id>
	<title>Re:Confused as hell about this line</title>
	<author>amaiman</author>
	<datestamp>1265123280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It means just what it said...they were convicted of the privacy code violation and acquitted on the criminal defamation charge (they were two separate charges, the privacy and the defamation).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It means just what it said...they were convicted of the privacy code violation and acquitted on the criminal defamation charge ( they were two separate charges , the privacy and the defamation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It means just what it said...they were convicted of the privacy code violation and acquitted on the criminal defamation charge (they were two separate charges, the privacy and the defamation).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258676</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261238</id>
	<title>hmmm..</title>
	<author>SuperDre</author>
	<datestamp>1265134560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it that everytime something is a problem for google (for implementing it, which means it will costs them a lot of money) they say it's a threat to the internet...

I personally think it's a good idea that it wouldn't be that easy to just put anything on the internet, how about when your privacy is in jepardy (like your boyfriend videotaped you and him having sex with only you visible and he promised not to put it on the internet, but because of a breakup he did.. you'll never know until it's too late and it has spread across the net.)
So I do agree that there has to be some form of consent before someone is able to post personal movies like that (or any movie where someone is humiliated or put in a compromising spot)..</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it that everytime something is a problem for google ( for implementing it , which means it will costs them a lot of money ) they say it 's a threat to the internet.. . I personally think it 's a good idea that it would n't be that easy to just put anything on the internet , how about when your privacy is in jepardy ( like your boyfriend videotaped you and him having sex with only you visible and he promised not to put it on the internet , but because of a breakup he did.. you 'll never know until it 's too late and it has spread across the net .
) So I do agree that there has to be some form of consent before someone is able to post personal movies like that ( or any movie where someone is humiliated or put in a compromising spot ) . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it that everytime something is a problem for google (for implementing it, which means it will costs them a lot of money) they say it's a threat to the internet...

I personally think it's a good idea that it wouldn't be that easy to just put anything on the internet, how about when your privacy is in jepardy (like your boyfriend videotaped you and him having sex with only you visible and he promised not to put it on the internet, but because of a breakup he did.. you'll never know until it's too late and it has spread across the net.
)
So I do agree that there has to be some form of consent before someone is able to post personal movies like that (or any movie where someone is humiliated or put in a compromising spot)..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260216</id>
	<title>Re:Not the judges per se</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1265130120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As I understand EU law, they could now be arrested anywhere in Europe if the Italians felt like chasing this down.  I suspect they won't - not even Berlusconi can be stupid enough (surely) to miss just what a shitstorm would erupt if these guys did end up in a jail.

<p>I suspect this will ultimately end up being chucked out in a judgement from Strasbourg.  Here's hoping.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I understand EU law , they could now be arrested anywhere in Europe if the Italians felt like chasing this down .
I suspect they wo n't - not even Berlusconi can be stupid enough ( surely ) to miss just what a shitstorm would erupt if these guys did end up in a jail .
I suspect this will ultimately end up being chucked out in a judgement from Strasbourg .
Here 's hoping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I understand EU law, they could now be arrested anywhere in Europe if the Italians felt like chasing this down.
I suspect they won't - not even Berlusconi can be stupid enough (surely) to miss just what a shitstorm would erupt if these guys did end up in a jail.
I suspect this will ultimately end up being chucked out in a judgement from Strasbourg.
Here's hoping.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258760</id>
	<title>Re:Confused as hell about this line</title>
	<author>mjschultz</author>
	<datestamp>1265123340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All four were convicted of two crimes: failure to comply with the Italian privacy code and criminal defamation.  Three of the four were convicted on the first one, failure to comply with the Italian privacy code.  None were found guilty on the second, criminal defamation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All four were convicted of two crimes : failure to comply with the Italian privacy code and criminal defamation .
Three of the four were convicted on the first one , failure to comply with the Italian privacy code .
None were found guilty on the second , criminal defamation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All four were convicted of two crimes: failure to comply with the Italian privacy code and criminal defamation.
Three of the four were convicted on the first one, failure to comply with the Italian privacy code.
None were found guilty on the second, criminal defamation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258676</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258814</id>
	<title>Youtube is junk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I consider that Youtube content is 50\% junk anyway...<br>Known clips such as music videoclips have same version uploaded by 30 users http://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=metallica+one&amp;search\_type=&amp;aq=f<br>or useless junk like nerds showing their rooms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I consider that Youtube content is 50 \ % junk anyway...Known clips such as music videoclips have same version uploaded by 30 users http : //www.youtube.com/results ? search \ _query = metallica + one&amp;search \ _type = &amp;aq = for useless junk like nerds showing their rooms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I consider that Youtube content is 50\% junk anyway...Known clips such as music videoclips have same version uploaded by 30 users http://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=metallica+one&amp;search\_type=&amp;aq=for useless junk like nerds showing their rooms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263482</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not just have an "I accept full responsibility for all media I publish via YouTube, and agree that I have the permission of the holders of all personal and copyrighted information contained in this video to present this media in a  public forum, pursuant to the local laws of my location of activity and residence" disclaimer when uploading?  I think they already have something similar that could be tweaked, don't they?  Then Google can say "we had full assurance from the submitter that this was all on the up-and-up -- go after them for misrepresentation."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just have an " I accept full responsibility for all media I publish via YouTube , and agree that I have the permission of the holders of all personal and copyrighted information contained in this video to present this media in a public forum , pursuant to the local laws of my location of activity and residence " disclaimer when uploading ?
I think they already have something similar that could be tweaked , do n't they ?
Then Google can say " we had full assurance from the submitter that this was all on the up-and-up -- go after them for misrepresentation .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just have an "I accept full responsibility for all media I publish via YouTube, and agree that I have the permission of the holders of all personal and copyrighted information contained in this video to present this media in a  public forum, pursuant to the local laws of my location of activity and residence" disclaimer when uploading?
I think they already have something similar that could be tweaked, don't they?
Then Google can say "we had full assurance from the submitter that this was all on the up-and-up -- go after them for misrepresentation.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31262418</id>
	<title>Re:In Italy</title>
	<author>Areyoukiddingme</author>
	<datestamp>1265139060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every nationality is good if you have enough money.</p><p>Some nationalities are better than others if you have no money.</p><p>You have enough money to have a computer and electricity and Internet access in one of the least accessible western European countries, so you probably have enough money for many nationalities to be "good" for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every nationality is good if you have enough money.Some nationalities are better than others if you have no money.You have enough money to have a computer and electricity and Internet access in one of the least accessible western European countries , so you probably have enough money for many nationalities to be " good " for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every nationality is good if you have enough money.Some nationalities are better than others if you have no money.You have enough money to have a computer and electricity and Internet access in one of the least accessible western European countries, so you probably have enough money for many nationalities to be "good" for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260260</id>
	<title>Re:So basically...</title>
	<author>theophilosophilus</author>
	<datestamp>1265130480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the case I just settled. My client's didn't trust banks (go figure) and kept their cash in a safe. They got most of their cash from a legal action but they couldn't account for all of it because their job was tip based and they couldn't prove their expenses. Long story short, they went to make a large purchase, people got suspicious, and 90\% of American currency has cocaine residue (either from being used to snort or simply going through money counters at a bank). Under a few states' laws and the former federal law, known as civil forfeiture, you are guilty until proven innocent. See e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA\_v.\_$124,700" title="wikipedia.org">USA v. $124,700</a> [wikipedia.org]. Only property connected with drugs is forfeited, but the raw deal is that innocent people must prove their innocence and guilty people must prove the proportion of their guilt to get the property back. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double\_jeopardy" title="wikipedia.org">Double Jeopardy</a> [wikipedia.org] does not apply and so the guilty person that proved his guilt to get his property back has proved the states' later criminal case.<br> <br>
My clients settled for less than their entire amount (like everyone does) because of the uncertainties of trial - they couldn't prove how much money they spent from their legal award and they couldn't completely prove how much they made in their jobs. Further, my clients were minorities and the case was venued in a minority unfriendly county.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the case I just settled .
My client 's did n't trust banks ( go figure ) and kept their cash in a safe .
They got most of their cash from a legal action but they could n't account for all of it because their job was tip based and they could n't prove their expenses .
Long story short , they went to make a large purchase , people got suspicious , and 90 \ % of American currency has cocaine residue ( either from being used to snort or simply going through money counters at a bank ) .
Under a few states ' laws and the former federal law , known as civil forfeiture , you are guilty until proven innocent .
See e.g .
USA v. $ 124,700 [ wikipedia.org ] .
Only property connected with drugs is forfeited , but the raw deal is that innocent people must prove their innocence and guilty people must prove the proportion of their guilt to get the property back .
Double Jeopardy [ wikipedia.org ] does not apply and so the guilty person that proved his guilt to get his property back has proved the states ' later criminal case .
My clients settled for less than their entire amount ( like everyone does ) because of the uncertainties of trial - they could n't prove how much money they spent from their legal award and they could n't completely prove how much they made in their jobs .
Further , my clients were minorities and the case was venued in a minority unfriendly county .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the case I just settled.
My client's didn't trust banks (go figure) and kept their cash in a safe.
They got most of their cash from a legal action but they couldn't account for all of it because their job was tip based and they couldn't prove their expenses.
Long story short, they went to make a large purchase, people got suspicious, and 90\% of American currency has cocaine residue (either from being used to snort or simply going through money counters at a bank).
Under a few states' laws and the former federal law, known as civil forfeiture, you are guilty until proven innocent.
See e.g.
USA v. $124,700 [wikipedia.org].
Only property connected with drugs is forfeited, but the raw deal is that innocent people must prove their innocence and guilty people must prove the proportion of their guilt to get the property back.
Double Jeopardy [wikipedia.org] does not apply and so the guilty person that proved his guilt to get his property back has proved the states' later criminal case.
My clients settled for less than their entire amount (like everyone does) because of the uncertainties of trial - they couldn't prove how much money they spent from their legal award and they couldn't completely prove how much they made in their jobs.
Further, my clients were minorities and the case was venued in a minority unfriendly county.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258696</id>
	<title>Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>omega6</author>
	<datestamp>1265123100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article it says that Google was convicted of violating privacy law for not getting permission to post the video. The nature of the video is irrelevant.  I don't know Italian privacy law, but if they do have requirements that you must get permission to post video recordings of people on the internet, then this is Google's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article it says that Google was convicted of violating privacy law for not getting permission to post the video .
The nature of the video is irrelevant .
I do n't know Italian privacy law , but if they do have requirements that you must get permission to post video recordings of people on the internet , then this is Google 's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article it says that Google was convicted of violating privacy law for not getting permission to post the video.
The nature of the video is irrelevant.
I don't know Italian privacy law, but if they do have requirements that you must get permission to post video recordings of people on the internet, then this is Google's problem for not bothering to care about the local laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258828</id>
	<title>Youtube needs moderation</title>
	<author>kriston</author>
	<datestamp>1265123760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Youtube wants to be legitamate, Google needs to institute a moderation system.<br>All of this legal trouble with having illegal activities and copyrighted material being posted to Youtube would be much less of a problem if Google simply decided to take responsibility for Youtube and implement a moderation system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Youtube wants to be legitamate , Google needs to institute a moderation system.All of this legal trouble with having illegal activities and copyrighted material being posted to Youtube would be much less of a problem if Google simply decided to take responsibility for Youtube and implement a moderation system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Youtube wants to be legitamate, Google needs to institute a moderation system.All of this legal trouble with having illegal activities and copyrighted material being posted to Youtube would be much less of a problem if Google simply decided to take responsibility for Youtube and implement a moderation system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259478</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy and Google don't go together</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265127240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, and if I then attach hate speech letters to your house then YOU should be arrested.   Don't be ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , and if I then attach hate speech letters to your house then YOU should be arrested .
Do n't be ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, and if I then attach hate speech letters to your house then YOU should be arrested.
Don't be ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259012</id>
	<title>Re:So basically...</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265124660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the analogy would be saying that the postal service are criminally liable, even if it's sealed in a package, which would be particularly mad.</p><p>I'm not sure what would happen in your scenario - I must admit I'd be worried to report such a thing, out of fear of being done for possession (similar to a recent case in the UK, where an ex-soldier handed in a gun he'd found, and was arrested for possession...) This is the problem with possession laws, even of things we might agree should be illegal (e.g., child pr0n) - if anyone finds them, rather than reporting it to the police so the source can be tracked down, instead they might be more likely to destroy or get rid of it, out of fear of being charged themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the analogy would be saying that the postal service are criminally liable , even if it 's sealed in a package , which would be particularly mad.I 'm not sure what would happen in your scenario - I must admit I 'd be worried to report such a thing , out of fear of being done for possession ( similar to a recent case in the UK , where an ex-soldier handed in a gun he 'd found , and was arrested for possession... ) This is the problem with possession laws , even of things we might agree should be illegal ( e.g. , child pr0n ) - if anyone finds them , rather than reporting it to the police so the source can be tracked down , instead they might be more likely to destroy or get rid of it , out of fear of being charged themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the analogy would be saying that the postal service are criminally liable, even if it's sealed in a package, which would be particularly mad.I'm not sure what would happen in your scenario - I must admit I'd be worried to report such a thing, out of fear of being done for possession (similar to a recent case in the UK, where an ex-soldier handed in a gun he'd found, and was arrested for possession...) This is the problem with possession laws, even of things we might agree should be illegal (e.g., child pr0n) - if anyone finds them, rather than reporting it to the police so the source can be tracked down, instead they might be more likely to destroy or get rid of it, out of fear of being charged themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258676</id>
	<title>Confused as hell about this line</title>
	<author>wintercolby</author>
	<datestamp>1265123040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nevertheless, a judge in Milan today convicted 3 of the 4 defendants &mdash; David Drummond, Peter Fleischer and George Reyes &mdash; for failure to comply with the Italian privacy code. All 4 were found <b>not guilty</b> of criminal defamation.</p></div><p>
Source:  <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html</a> [blogspot.com]
<br>
I thought that they were convicted, and that was the problem.  Am I missing what the actual conviction was, or is it a typo/freudian wishfull thinking?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nevertheless , a judge in Milan today convicted 3 of the 4 defendants    David Drummond , Peter Fleischer and George Reyes    for failure to comply with the Italian privacy code .
All 4 were found not guilty of criminal defamation .
Source : http : //googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html [ blogspot.com ] I thought that they were convicted , and that was the problem .
Am I missing what the actual conviction was , or is it a typo/freudian wishfull thinking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nevertheless, a judge in Milan today convicted 3 of the 4 defendants — David Drummond, Peter Fleischer and George Reyes — for failure to comply with the Italian privacy code.
All 4 were found not guilty of criminal defamation.
Source:  http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.html [blogspot.com]

I thought that they were convicted, and that was the problem.
Am I missing what the actual conviction was, or is it a typo/freudian wishfull thinking?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260856</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1265132940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While you've been modded Funny, the "begging for it to stop" might take the form of a legal cease and desist order attempting to block YouTube from uploading <i>any</i> videos until an acceptable solution is found.  While Google is not an Italian company, this would create additional difficulties for them in not just Italy but also in the broader European Union.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While you 've been modded Funny , the " begging for it to stop " might take the form of a legal cease and desist order attempting to block YouTube from uploading any videos until an acceptable solution is found .
While Google is not an Italian company , this would create additional difficulties for them in not just Italy but also in the broader European Union .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While you've been modded Funny, the "begging for it to stop" might take the form of a legal cease and desist order attempting to block YouTube from uploading any videos until an acceptable solution is found.
While Google is not an Italian company, this would create additional difficulties for them in not just Italy but also in the broader European Union.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258840</id>
	<title>In Italy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265123760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Italy defamation is a beloved way to make people shut up. In two occasions I was threatened to be sued over defamation.<br> <br>

For the record, both times a car driver behaved like an arse and I told them they were 1) "un coglione" which is best translated as knobhead/dickhead/idiot and 2) "stronza" (bitch.) Both times the defamation threat came instantaneously. Knowing it would cost me US$ 100 tops, I actually enjoyed the frigging beggars -their motives were mostly financial IMHO- winding themselves up.<br> <br>

I suppose I actually deserved a bit of verbal thrashing and intimidation in those cases. But imagine much worthier goals being seriously hampered by this. You very quickly defame someone in Italy on the base that they actually deserve it.<br> <br>

We Italians sort of cherish elaborated, concocted, ridiculous laws. It makes us feel "save" in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.<br> <br>

Yes, I'm Italian and quite ambivalent about it. Don't think, however, that I would trade in my nationality that lightly. It's certainly not the best nationality to have but I haven't came across a better one so far. I trust most feel the same about their own nationality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Italy defamation is a beloved way to make people shut up .
In two occasions I was threatened to be sued over defamation .
For the record , both times a car driver behaved like an arse and I told them they were 1 ) " un coglione " which is best translated as knobhead/dickhead/idiot and 2 ) " stronza " ( bitch .
) Both times the defamation threat came instantaneously .
Knowing it would cost me US $ 100 tops , I actually enjoyed the frigging beggars -their motives were mostly financial IMHO- winding themselves up .
I suppose I actually deserved a bit of verbal thrashing and intimidation in those cases .
But imagine much worthier goals being seriously hampered by this .
You very quickly defame someone in Italy on the base that they actually deserve it .
We Italians sort of cherish elaborated , concocted , ridiculous laws .
It makes us feel " save " in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary .
Yes , I 'm Italian and quite ambivalent about it .
Do n't think , however , that I would trade in my nationality that lightly .
It 's certainly not the best nationality to have but I have n't came across a better one so far .
I trust most feel the same about their own nationality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Italy defamation is a beloved way to make people shut up.
In two occasions I was threatened to be sued over defamation.
For the record, both times a car driver behaved like an arse and I told them they were 1) "un coglione" which is best translated as knobhead/dickhead/idiot and 2) "stronza" (bitch.
) Both times the defamation threat came instantaneously.
Knowing it would cost me US$ 100 tops, I actually enjoyed the frigging beggars -their motives were mostly financial IMHO- winding themselves up.
I suppose I actually deserved a bit of verbal thrashing and intimidation in those cases.
But imagine much worthier goals being seriously hampered by this.
You very quickly defame someone in Italy on the base that they actually deserve it.
We Italians sort of cherish elaborated, concocted, ridiculous laws.
It makes us feel "save" in a way that if push comes to shove we will find some way to delay or attack the adversary.
Yes, I'm Italian and quite ambivalent about it.
Don't think, however, that I would trade in my nationality that lightly.
It's certainly not the best nationality to have but I haven't came across a better one so far.
I trust most feel the same about their own nationality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258918</id>
	<title>Again thats going backward</title>
	<author>Lazypete</author>
	<datestamp>1265124180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real probleme is not that the video appeared on youtube, the problem is that someone was stupid enough to beat another human being, be it down syndrom or not. The syndrom has nothing to do with it.. and in my opinion its good that the video appeared on youtube for two reason. 1. If it sickens enough people they will realise that the problem is not the video its the act. That the only solution is not censorship its education. 2. If enough people criticize the one putting the video up well they might just realise how stupid they were and change. Again... hiding things dont help.. showing it and saying.. damn this is stupid, do you realise what you have done? Put yourself in the shoe of that person !! THAT is something that SHOULD be done. Not hidding it... thats just hiding from your monster.. not confronting it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real probleme is not that the video appeared on youtube , the problem is that someone was stupid enough to beat another human being , be it down syndrom or not .
The syndrom has nothing to do with it.. and in my opinion its good that the video appeared on youtube for two reason .
1. If it sickens enough people they will realise that the problem is not the video its the act .
That the only solution is not censorship its education .
2. If enough people criticize the one putting the video up well they might just realise how stupid they were and change .
Again... hiding things dont help.. showing it and saying.. damn this is stupid , do you realise what you have done ?
Put yourself in the shoe of that person ! !
THAT is something that SHOULD be done .
Not hidding it... thats just hiding from your monster.. not confronting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real probleme is not that the video appeared on youtube, the problem is that someone was stupid enough to beat another human being, be it down syndrom or not.
The syndrom has nothing to do with it.. and in my opinion its good that the video appeared on youtube for two reason.
1. If it sickens enough people they will realise that the problem is not the video its the act.
That the only solution is not censorship its education.
2. If enough people criticize the one putting the video up well they might just realise how stupid they were and change.
Again... hiding things dont help.. showing it and saying.. damn this is stupid, do you realise what you have done?
Put yourself in the shoe of that person !!
THAT is something that SHOULD be done.
Not hidding it... thats just hiding from your monster.. not confronting it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259698</id>
	<title>Re:Mistake</title>
	<author>AlecC</author>
	<datestamp>1265128020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first thing Google should do is block uploading of videos to Google Video (and YouTube, which they own) from Italian IP addresses with an annoying great splash screen explaining that, in compliance with Italian Law, they are no longer able to accept them. Still allow viewing of other people's videos, of course, so Italians still use Google Video. of course, it will involve some revenue loss as Italians move to other places to store their pictures. This should get a significant number of pissed-off Italian users asking their politicians WIHIH?</p><p>And, if they can, hide any clips they already have up loaded from such addresses. Nothing like people having they prized videos suddenly become inaccessible to make them ask for explanations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing Google should do is block uploading of videos to Google Video ( and YouTube , which they own ) from Italian IP addresses with an annoying great splash screen explaining that , in compliance with Italian Law , they are no longer able to accept them .
Still allow viewing of other people 's videos , of course , so Italians still use Google Video .
of course , it will involve some revenue loss as Italians move to other places to store their pictures .
This should get a significant number of pissed-off Italian users asking their politicians WIHIH ? And , if they can , hide any clips they already have up loaded from such addresses .
Nothing like people having they prized videos suddenly become inaccessible to make them ask for explanations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing Google should do is block uploading of videos to Google Video (and YouTube, which they own) from Italian IP addresses with an annoying great splash screen explaining that, in compliance with Italian Law, they are no longer able to accept them.
Still allow viewing of other people's videos, of course, so Italians still use Google Video.
of course, it will involve some revenue loss as Italians move to other places to store their pictures.
This should get a significant number of pissed-off Italian users asking their politicians WIHIH?And, if they can, hide any clips they already have up loaded from such addresses.
Nothing like people having they prized videos suddenly become inaccessible to make them ask for explanations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259016</id>
	<title>Re:What?!?</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1265124720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bribe, apparently the usual practice there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bribe , apparently the usual practice there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bribe, apparently the usual practice there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31264606</id>
	<title>Re:What did you expect?</title>
	<author>Shin-LaC</author>
	<datestamp>1265105460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The page you linked mentions that Berlusconi's channels gets 45\% of TV audience. That's a far cry from "45\% of all media". It's also unsourced and undated; assuming it was correct at some point, it is no longer so. The <a href="http://www.auditel.it/doc/sintesimensile\_1\_gen10.pdf" title="auditel.it">current data</a> [auditel.it] shows that Berlusconi's group is not even the largest group in terms of TV audience share (the largest is state-owned RAI).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The page you linked mentions that Berlusconi 's channels gets 45 \ % of TV audience .
That 's a far cry from " 45 \ % of all media " .
It 's also unsourced and undated ; assuming it was correct at some point , it is no longer so .
The current data [ auditel.it ] shows that Berlusconi 's group is not even the largest group in terms of TV audience share ( the largest is state-owned RAI ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The page you linked mentions that Berlusconi's channels gets 45\% of TV audience.
That's a far cry from "45\% of all media".
It's also unsourced and undated; assuming it was correct at some point, it is no longer so.
The current data [auditel.it] shows that Berlusconi's group is not even the largest group in terms of TV audience share (the largest is state-owned RAI).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31263438</id>
	<title>Not an issue, really</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The title is a bit misleading - it wasn't the executives of Google Italy, but the big boys at Google Inc. that were convicted.  These individuals live and work in the U.S. , and they were tried and convicted <i>in absentia</i>.  (source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253383/Italy-convicts-Google-executives-autism-bullying-video.html)</p><p>If Italy wanted to actually punish these individuals, they would have to extradite them first, which I definitely wouldn't see happening, as it would be practically impossible to prove dual criminality and probable cause, both of which are required by U.S. courts.</p><p>If the party bringing this action had really wanted to exact "justice" upon Google, they would have been better advised to make a civil case against Google Italy, whose assets are subject to Italian law.  As it stands, though, this "conviction" has no actual effect, even if it were a death sentence, and is more of a public statement against Google than anything else.  To think that the Italian judiciary believes that Web services are criminally responsible for the content that their users post, though, is still scary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The title is a bit misleading - it was n't the executives of Google Italy , but the big boys at Google Inc. that were convicted .
These individuals live and work in the U.S. , and they were tried and convicted in absentia .
( source : http : //www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253383/Italy-convicts-Google-executives-autism-bullying-video.html ) If Italy wanted to actually punish these individuals , they would have to extradite them first , which I definitely would n't see happening , as it would be practically impossible to prove dual criminality and probable cause , both of which are required by U.S. courts.If the party bringing this action had really wanted to exact " justice " upon Google , they would have been better advised to make a civil case against Google Italy , whose assets are subject to Italian law .
As it stands , though , this " conviction " has no actual effect , even if it were a death sentence , and is more of a public statement against Google than anything else .
To think that the Italian judiciary believes that Web services are criminally responsible for the content that their users post , though , is still scary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title is a bit misleading - it wasn't the executives of Google Italy, but the big boys at Google Inc. that were convicted.
These individuals live and work in the U.S. , and they were tried and convicted in absentia.
(source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253383/Italy-convicts-Google-executives-autism-bullying-video.html)If Italy wanted to actually punish these individuals, they would have to extradite them first, which I definitely wouldn't see happening, as it would be practically impossible to prove dual criminality and probable cause, both of which are required by U.S. courts.If the party bringing this action had really wanted to exact "justice" upon Google, they would have been better advised to make a civil case against Google Italy, whose assets are subject to Italian law.
As it stands, though, this "conviction" has no actual effect, even if it were a death sentence, and is more of a public statement against Google than anything else.
To think that the Italian judiciary believes that Web services are criminally responsible for the content that their users post, though, is still scary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259288</id>
	<title>Easy fix:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265126220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the laws of a specific country allow such abuse of service providers, the best fix is to simply pull youtube access from the entire country.  Let the people of that nation demand the judgment to be repealed if they value the service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the laws of a specific country allow such abuse of service providers , the best fix is to simply pull youtube access from the entire country .
Let the people of that nation demand the judgment to be repealed if they value the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the laws of a specific country allow such abuse of service providers, the best fix is to simply pull youtube access from the entire country.
Let the people of that nation demand the judgment to be repealed if they value the service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258642</id>
	<title>Serious Threat</title>
	<author>LordAzuzu</author>
	<datestamp>1265122800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Pl0x, give me a decent job outside italy, i'm wishing to leave this stupid and pathetic country everyday MOAR!</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pl0x , give me a decent job outside italy , i 'm wishing to leave this stupid and pathetic country everyday MOAR !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pl0x, give me a decent job outside italy, i'm wishing to leave this stupid and pathetic country everyday MOAR!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259502</id>
	<title>Serious threat to the Web? Pfft . . . Really?</title>
	<author>Idou</author>
	<datestamp>1265127360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who needs Italy . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who needs Italy .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who needs Italy .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31260248</id>
	<title>Re:So basically...</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1265130360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This can happen.  English law has a concept called "strict liability", essentially an offence against which there can be no defence.  Possession of proscribed firearms is a strict liability offence.  Recently, a former soldier found a sawn-off shotgun in his garden, picked it up, took it to his local police station, was arrested and found guilty of possession.  The legal profession as a whole hates such offences, as they know there will always be edge cases that require special consideration, but politicans love to enact them "for the children", or whatever the buzz du jour is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This can happen .
English law has a concept called " strict liability " , essentially an offence against which there can be no defence .
Possession of proscribed firearms is a strict liability offence .
Recently , a former soldier found a sawn-off shotgun in his garden , picked it up , took it to his local police station , was arrested and found guilty of possession .
The legal profession as a whole hates such offences , as they know there will always be edge cases that require special consideration , but politicans love to enact them " for the children " , or whatever the buzz du jour is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This can happen.
English law has a concept called "strict liability", essentially an offence against which there can be no defence.
Possession of proscribed firearms is a strict liability offence.
Recently, a former soldier found a sawn-off shotgun in his garden, picked it up, took it to his local police station, was arrested and found guilty of possession.
The legal profession as a whole hates such offences, as they know there will always be edge cases that require special consideration, but politicans love to enact them "for the children", or whatever the buzz du jour is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258970</id>
	<title>What did you expect?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The president Silvio Berlusconi and his family own 45\% of all media in the country (http://ketupa.net/berlusconi.htm). He regularly uses his political position to personally enrich himself and his family.</p><p>Google came into the country and threatened his source of income by offering a media platform not controlled by the Berlusconi's. This has nothing to do with the autistic boy in the video, but everything to do with the retarded president.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The president Silvio Berlusconi and his family own 45 \ % of all media in the country ( http : //ketupa.net/berlusconi.htm ) .
He regularly uses his political position to personally enrich himself and his family.Google came into the country and threatened his source of income by offering a media platform not controlled by the Berlusconi 's .
This has nothing to do with the autistic boy in the video , but everything to do with the retarded president .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The president Silvio Berlusconi and his family own 45\% of all media in the country (http://ketupa.net/berlusconi.htm).
He regularly uses his political position to personally enrich himself and his family.Google came into the country and threatened his source of income by offering a media platform not controlled by the Berlusconi's.
This has nothing to do with the autistic boy in the video, but everything to do with the retarded president.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258582</id>
	<title>firsta posta mamma mai!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265122440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stupid pasta chompers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stupid pasta chompers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stupid pasta chompers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259306</id>
	<title>Re:Mistake</title>
	<author>ShieldW0lf</author>
	<datestamp>1265126340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge</i> <br> <br>
I wish I was still that naive and unaffected by the world I live in.  Stupid laws are the personal responsibility of every member of the society without exception.  At the absolute least, they are the result of an entire civilization of "good men who do nothing".<br> <br>
If Google wants to "do no evil", they are going to have to stop working within the laws of every society, and they are going to have to play hardball and shoot first with bullets of truth that topple the careers of hypocrites.  It's pretty obvious that they have the capacity.  If they decide to play with these people, they're going to end up like Deborah Jeane Palfrey, and they're going to deserve it.
<br> <br>These laws don't exist to protect kids with Autism.  They exist to protect people like Berlusconi from the consequences of his actions.  So, give everyone the truth, and watch your enemies fall to the angry mob.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge I wish I was still that naive and unaffected by the world I live in .
Stupid laws are the personal responsibility of every member of the society without exception .
At the absolute least , they are the result of an entire civilization of " good men who do nothing " .
If Google wants to " do no evil " , they are going to have to stop working within the laws of every society , and they are going to have to play hardball and shoot first with bullets of truth that topple the careers of hypocrites .
It 's pretty obvious that they have the capacity .
If they decide to play with these people , they 're going to end up like Deborah Jeane Palfrey , and they 're going to deserve it .
These laws do n't exist to protect kids with Autism .
They exist to protect people like Berlusconi from the consequences of his actions .
So , give everyone the truth , and watch your enemies fall to the angry mob .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Enforcing stupid laws does not make him a bad judge  
I wish I was still that naive and unaffected by the world I live in.
Stupid laws are the personal responsibility of every member of the society without exception.
At the absolute least, they are the result of an entire civilization of "good men who do nothing".
If Google wants to "do no evil", they are going to have to stop working within the laws of every society, and they are going to have to play hardball and shoot first with bullets of truth that topple the careers of hypocrites.
It's pretty obvious that they have the capacity.
If they decide to play with these people, they're going to end up like Deborah Jeane Palfrey, and they're going to deserve it.
These laws don't exist to protect kids with Autism.
They exist to protect people like Berlusconi from the consequences of his actions.
So, give everyone the truth, and watch your enemies fall to the angry mob.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259790</id>
	<title>This is par for the course for Italy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265128320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is very typical of Italian "justice".  You must understand that in Italy they feel sorry for the worst criminals and like to convict lesser ones.   People over 35 might remember the Achille Lauro hijacking where an elderly Jewish American cruise ship passenger was killed by terrorists.  The terrorists were going to get away on an Egyptian Airliner until President Reagan ordered US fighters to intercept the flight and force it to land in Italy.  The Italians showed up with their elite armed police and at gunpoint demanded the right to try the hijackers.  And in justice the Italian way, they ended up feeling sorry for all of them and made all of the ones they convicted eventually eligible for work release.  And of course, one of them took advantage of this and fled and it was only due to the competence of Spanish authorities that he was recaptured.  <br> <br>

You must be aware too that Italy probably has the strongest voice in all of the EU against the death penalty.  So like many countries that don't have it, they tend to be pretty soft on true criminal behavior.  They are not like the UK where you actually can get locked up for life.  Remember a few years ago when some guys tried and failed to do more terrorist bombings in London?  At least one of the culprits fled to Italy and demanded to be tried there.  He knew that he'd get maybe 10 years at most and be set free if he faced what passes for Italian justice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is very typical of Italian " justice " .
You must understand that in Italy they feel sorry for the worst criminals and like to convict lesser ones .
People over 35 might remember the Achille Lauro hijacking where an elderly Jewish American cruise ship passenger was killed by terrorists .
The terrorists were going to get away on an Egyptian Airliner until President Reagan ordered US fighters to intercept the flight and force it to land in Italy .
The Italians showed up with their elite armed police and at gunpoint demanded the right to try the hijackers .
And in justice the Italian way , they ended up feeling sorry for all of them and made all of the ones they convicted eventually eligible for work release .
And of course , one of them took advantage of this and fled and it was only due to the competence of Spanish authorities that he was recaptured .
You must be aware too that Italy probably has the strongest voice in all of the EU against the death penalty .
So like many countries that do n't have it , they tend to be pretty soft on true criminal behavior .
They are not like the UK where you actually can get locked up for life .
Remember a few years ago when some guys tried and failed to do more terrorist bombings in London ?
At least one of the culprits fled to Italy and demanded to be tried there .
He knew that he 'd get maybe 10 years at most and be set free if he faced what passes for Italian justice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is very typical of Italian "justice".
You must understand that in Italy they feel sorry for the worst criminals and like to convict lesser ones.
People over 35 might remember the Achille Lauro hijacking where an elderly Jewish American cruise ship passenger was killed by terrorists.
The terrorists were going to get away on an Egyptian Airliner until President Reagan ordered US fighters to intercept the flight and force it to land in Italy.
The Italians showed up with their elite armed police and at gunpoint demanded the right to try the hijackers.
And in justice the Italian way, they ended up feeling sorry for all of them and made all of the ones they convicted eventually eligible for work release.
And of course, one of them took advantage of this and fled and it was only due to the competence of Spanish authorities that he was recaptured.
You must be aware too that Italy probably has the strongest voice in all of the EU against the death penalty.
So like many countries that don't have it, they tend to be pretty soft on true criminal behavior.
They are not like the UK where you actually can get locked up for life.
Remember a few years ago when some guys tried and failed to do more terrorist bombings in London?
At least one of the culprits fled to Italy and demanded to be tried there.
He knew that he'd get maybe 10 years at most and be set free if he faced what passes for Italian justice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31265502</id>
	<title>Down's Parent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265109120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a parent of a child with down syndrome it honestly saddens me that nobody in this entire conversation of 300 odd has even mentioned down syndrome.</p><p>I don't believe the Google executives should be convicted and sentenced, but any fine for Google is a drop in the ocean. Google put that video online for 2 MONTHS. It was their FAILURE TO ACT that is on trial here. I don't think for a moment that they can control what's uploaded, but they do have the responsibility to investigate a complaint about a video and remove it if the complaint is valid. They didn't do this in a timely fashion, and not doing so was negligence by management because they are ultimately in control of the process and systems that manage these complaints.</p><p>Nobody will probably ever read this, I don't have the karma score to be heard, and that just saddens me even more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a parent of a child with down syndrome it honestly saddens me that nobody in this entire conversation of 300 odd has even mentioned down syndrome.I do n't believe the Google executives should be convicted and sentenced , but any fine for Google is a drop in the ocean .
Google put that video online for 2 MONTHS .
It was their FAILURE TO ACT that is on trial here .
I do n't think for a moment that they can control what 's uploaded , but they do have the responsibility to investigate a complaint about a video and remove it if the complaint is valid .
They did n't do this in a timely fashion , and not doing so was negligence by management because they are ultimately in control of the process and systems that manage these complaints.Nobody will probably ever read this , I do n't have the karma score to be heard , and that just saddens me even more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a parent of a child with down syndrome it honestly saddens me that nobody in this entire conversation of 300 odd has even mentioned down syndrome.I don't believe the Google executives should be convicted and sentenced, but any fine for Google is a drop in the ocean.
Google put that video online for 2 MONTHS.
It was their FAILURE TO ACT that is on trial here.
I don't think for a moment that they can control what's uploaded, but they do have the responsibility to investigate a complaint about a video and remove it if the complaint is valid.
They didn't do this in a timely fashion, and not doing so was negligence by management because they are ultimately in control of the process and systems that manage these complaints.Nobody will probably ever read this, I don't have the karma score to be heard, and that just saddens me even more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258596</id>
	<title>Another useless set of judges</title>
	<author>Dog-Cow</author>
	<datestamp>1265122560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And now we have even more judges whose lives aren't worth the resources they consume.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And now we have even more judges whose lives are n't worth the resources they consume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And now we have even more judges whose lives aren't worth the resources they consume.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31258746</id>
	<title>Re:Confused as hell about this line</title>
	<author>chalkyj</author>
	<datestamp>1265123280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guilty of failure to comply with the Italian privacy code != guilty of criminal defamation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guilty of failure to comply with the Italian privacy code ! = guilty of criminal defamation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guilty of failure to comply with the Italian privacy code != guilty of criminal defamation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259472</id>
	<title>Re:Bread and circuses</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1265127240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was about youtube, not Berlusconis TV stations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was about youtube , not Berlusconis TV stations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was about youtube, not Berlusconis TV stations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259034</id>
	<title>Italy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having elected a tanned, walking erection as prime minister isn't enough? Now this? It's a wonder why Italy hasn't already sunk into the Mediterranean Sea under the weight of its own shame.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having elected a tanned , walking erection as prime minister is n't enough ?
Now this ?
It 's a wonder why Italy has n't already sunk into the Mediterranean Sea under the weight of its own shame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having elected a tanned, walking erection as prime minister isn't enough?
Now this?
It's a wonder why Italy hasn't already sunk into the Mediterranean Sea under the weight of its own shame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259070</id>
	<title>Re:Bread and circuses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that the whole point of this judgement?</p><p>Some owner of an Italian-language search engine must have done an awful lot of whining to his friends in the judiciary recently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that the whole point of this judgement ? Some owner of an Italian-language search engine must have done an awful lot of whining to his friends in the judiciary recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that the whole point of this judgement?Some owner of an Italian-language search engine must have done an awful lot of whining to his friends in the judiciary recently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31259174</id>
	<title>Re:Confused as hell about this line</title>
	<author>wintercolby</author>
	<datestamp>1265125620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sorry, I did figure this out.  <b>No one was convicted of criminal defamation</b>, which would suggest that they were charged with it.  <b>3 out of 4 were convicted of failure to comply with privacy code</b>.  This could be viewed several ways, the judge was rational and wanted someone with deep pockets to get the privacy code repealed/reviewed/replaced (understand enough about the US judicial system, but no clue how this might work in Italy.)<br> <br>
The fact that all 4 were found <b>not guilty</b> of a more severe sounding offense seems to be good news.  The fact that one person was found not guilty of anything also seems to suggest that there is little insanity taking place here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , I did figure this out .
No one was convicted of criminal defamation , which would suggest that they were charged with it .
3 out of 4 were convicted of failure to comply with privacy code .
This could be viewed several ways , the judge was rational and wanted someone with deep pockets to get the privacy code repealed/reviewed/replaced ( understand enough about the US judicial system , but no clue how this might work in Italy .
) The fact that all 4 were found not guilty of a more severe sounding offense seems to be good news .
The fact that one person was found not guilty of anything also seems to suggest that there is little insanity taking place here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, I did figure this out.
No one was convicted of criminal defamation, which would suggest that they were charged with it.
3 out of 4 were convicted of failure to comply with privacy code.
This could be viewed several ways, the judge was rational and wanted someone with deep pockets to get the privacy code repealed/reviewed/replaced (understand enough about the US judicial system, but no clue how this might work in Italy.
) 
The fact that all 4 were found not guilty of a more severe sounding offense seems to be good news.
The fact that one person was found not guilty of anything also seems to suggest that there is little insanity taking place here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_24_1323218.31261336</id>
	<title>Re:USA! USA!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265134920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Just felt the obligatory moment of patriotism over living in a country with a relatively non-retarded legal system</i></p><p>I see you've had little experience with our legal system. And you should know better even if you do have no experience with it -- look at OJ Simpson. He's found not guilty of murder, but made to pay the victims' families for the murder. If that isn't retarded I don't know what is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just felt the obligatory moment of patriotism over living in a country with a relatively non-retarded legal systemI see you 've had little experience with our legal system .
And you should know better even if you do have no experience with it -- look at OJ Simpson .
He 's found not guilty of murder , but made to pay the victims ' families for the murder .
If that is n't retarded I do n't know what is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just felt the obligatory moment of patriotism over living in a country with a relatively non-retarded legal systemI see you've had little experience with our legal system.
And you should know better even if you do have no experience with it -- look at OJ Simpson.
He's found not guilty of murder, but made to pay the victims' families for the murder.
If that isn't retarded I don't know what is.</sentencetext>
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