<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_23_2036231</id>
	<title>Gates and MS Don't See Eye-To-Eye On CO2</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1266918720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://publicola.net/" rel="nofollow">Sam Machkovech</a> writes <i>"Bill Gates's speech at last week's TED Conference centered on '<a href="http://www.thegatesnotes.com/Learning/article.aspx?ID=115">moving to zero-carbon energy</a>, and our need to reduce CO2 emissions 80\% by 2050.' His choice of subject was an abrupt turn from The Gates Foundation's typical humanitarian topics, but he insisted that energy innovation is crucial to his Foundation's goals. A move by Microsoft today proves that Gates's old company has less interest in that carbon-neutral goal &mdash; <a href="http://www.publicola.net/2010/02/23/microsoft-takes-out-full-page-ad-opposing-mcginnchopp-520-plan/">Microsoft has begun campaigning against a bridge redesign</a> that would result in more bus and transit options for commuters between Seattle and the company's homebase of Redmond, WA."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sam Machkovech writes " Bill Gates 's speech at last week 's TED Conference centered on 'moving to zero-carbon energy , and our need to reduce CO2 emissions 80 \ % by 2050 .
' His choice of subject was an abrupt turn from The Gates Foundation 's typical humanitarian topics , but he insisted that energy innovation is crucial to his Foundation 's goals .
A move by Microsoft today proves that Gates 's old company has less interest in that carbon-neutral goal    Microsoft has begun campaigning against a bridge redesign that would result in more bus and transit options for commuters between Seattle and the company 's homebase of Redmond , WA .
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<sentencetext>Sam Machkovech writes "Bill Gates's speech at last week's TED Conference centered on 'moving to zero-carbon energy, and our need to reduce CO2 emissions 80\% by 2050.
' His choice of subject was an abrupt turn from The Gates Foundation's typical humanitarian topics, but he insisted that energy innovation is crucial to his Foundation's goals.
A move by Microsoft today proves that Gates's old company has less interest in that carbon-neutral goal — Microsoft has begun campaigning against a bridge redesign that would result in more bus and transit options for commuters between Seattle and the company's homebase of Redmond, WA.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251754</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266924540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, if that is true then how is Microsoft the bad guy in this one?  You riddle me that Mr. Smartypants.  That puts a big hole in your theory now doesn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if that is true then how is Microsoft the bad guy in this one ?
You riddle me that Mr. Smartypants. That puts a big hole in your theory now does n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if that is true then how is Microsoft the bad guy in this one?
You riddle me that Mr. Smartypants.  That puts a big hole in your theory now doesn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254512</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1266938880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey!! I like living in a Cave. It's got Stable Temps year round and I don't hear the damn neighbors playing their stereo at 2am while trying to sleep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey ! !
I like living in a Cave .
It 's got Stable Temps year round and I do n't hear the damn neighbors playing their stereo at 2am while trying to sleep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey!!
I like living in a Cave.
It's got Stable Temps year round and I don't hear the damn neighbors playing their stereo at 2am while trying to sleep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254370</id>
	<title>Rich guys</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1266938100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd have a smidgen more respect for these uberrich guys when they talk about the environment and energy if I saw them like taking sail boats when they cross the ocean instead of private jets, or ride a bicycle to the TED conference, or..OK..at least drive a car personally that is fueled by carbon recyclable cellulose derived ethanol, or hemp biodiesel, anything that can be done now..  Or better, he's a big computer guy, why not give the speech via teleconferencing instead, no need to move heavy meatbags at all when you can move cheaper electrons (Pet peeve of mine, millions commuting daily to go sit in front of a computer screen...then they go back home where there is..a computer screen...geezzz).</p><p>
&nbsp; Want to make a point? Lead by example, *then* talk about it, then go ahead and lecture people on what "they" need to do. Want to save energy and encourage green living? <i>Lead by example, not by lecture</i>. Want to cut your carbon footprint way down? How about starting with not living in a mansion the size of a small village in the third world. Stuff like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd have a smidgen more respect for these uberrich guys when they talk about the environment and energy if I saw them like taking sail boats when they cross the ocean instead of private jets , or ride a bicycle to the TED conference , or..OK..at least drive a car personally that is fueled by carbon recyclable cellulose derived ethanol , or hemp biodiesel , anything that can be done now.. Or better , he 's a big computer guy , why not give the speech via teleconferencing instead , no need to move heavy meatbags at all when you can move cheaper electrons ( Pet peeve of mine , millions commuting daily to go sit in front of a computer screen...then they go back home where there is..a computer screen...geezzz ) .
  Want to make a point ?
Lead by example , * then * talk about it , then go ahead and lecture people on what " they " need to do .
Want to save energy and encourage green living ?
Lead by example , not by lecture .
Want to cut your carbon footprint way down ?
How about starting with not living in a mansion the size of a small village in the third world .
Stuff like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd have a smidgen more respect for these uberrich guys when they talk about the environment and energy if I saw them like taking sail boats when they cross the ocean instead of private jets, or ride a bicycle to the TED conference, or..OK..at least drive a car personally that is fueled by carbon recyclable cellulose derived ethanol, or hemp biodiesel, anything that can be done now..  Or better, he's a big computer guy, why not give the speech via teleconferencing instead, no need to move heavy meatbags at all when you can move cheaper electrons (Pet peeve of mine, millions commuting daily to go sit in front of a computer screen...then they go back home where there is..a computer screen...geezzz).
  Want to make a point?
Lead by example, *then* talk about it, then go ahead and lecture people on what "they" need to do.
Want to save energy and encourage green living?
Lead by example, not by lecture.
Want to cut your carbon footprint way down?
How about starting with not living in a mansion the size of a small village in the third world.
Stuff like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253186</id>
	<title>Re:Terrible Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>solferino</author>
	<datestamp>1266931260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Bill's Ted talk was actually great.</p></div></blockquote><p>I agree. I recommend people watch it.</p><p>I'm now feeling quite conflicted about Bill Gates. Yes, he spawned Microsoft, which has engaged in illegal and unethical practices and whose mediocre products have caused untold frustration to millions and retarded progress in the software world. My line used to be that it's hardly virtuous to give back to the world the billions of dollars you have taken from them in less than fair ways. But with the sort of work he's funding and advocating, he may just get to join the ranks of the robber barons who, in balance, left a legacy more good than bad. People such as Rockefeller and Carnegie. I think he's still got a way to go but I'm now feeling a little bit more open to the guy.</p><p>Ballmer, on the other hand,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Bill 's Ted talk was actually great.I agree .
I recommend people watch it.I 'm now feeling quite conflicted about Bill Gates .
Yes , he spawned Microsoft , which has engaged in illegal and unethical practices and whose mediocre products have caused untold frustration to millions and retarded progress in the software world .
My line used to be that it 's hardly virtuous to give back to the world the billions of dollars you have taken from them in less than fair ways .
But with the sort of work he 's funding and advocating , he may just get to join the ranks of the robber barons who , in balance , left a legacy more good than bad .
People such as Rockefeller and Carnegie .
I think he 's still got a way to go but I 'm now feeling a little bit more open to the guy.Ballmer , on the other hand , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bill's Ted talk was actually great.I agree.
I recommend people watch it.I'm now feeling quite conflicted about Bill Gates.
Yes, he spawned Microsoft, which has engaged in illegal and unethical practices and whose mediocre products have caused untold frustration to millions and retarded progress in the software world.
My line used to be that it's hardly virtuous to give back to the world the billions of dollars you have taken from them in less than fair ways.
But with the sort of work he's funding and advocating, he may just get to join the ranks of the robber barons who, in balance, left a legacy more good than bad.
People such as Rockefeller and Carnegie.
I think he's still got a way to go but I'm now feeling a little bit more open to the guy.Ballmer, on the other hand, ...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31291136</id>
	<title>Re:Very loose correlation.</title>
	<author>aspectator</author>
	<datestamp>1267181460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well said.  Agree most commenters have not looked at the article or related material.<br>

Some facts:
<ol>
<li> The current rebuild plan *does* add new HOV/Bus lanes and *does not* add any new general travel lanes.</li><li> A related set of highway improvements (that was already approved by voters) restructures the HOV lanes for the entire length of this highway (SR520) to favor bus and HOV traffic by detangling the carpool lanes from the on/off ramps.</li><li> There already is a plan to add light rail service across the lake to the connect the east side.  It just doesn't go across this bridge; it uses the other bridge (I-90) instead.</li></ol><p>

As a citizen who's lived in Redmond, Bellevue and Seattle over the past 16+ years, I've watched our transit system stagnating because we spend all our time changing our minds about what to do.  Each time we seem to be gathering momentum for a public transit improvement, someone comes along and says "but we could do this other thing instead..." and then we lose another 5 years starting over from scratch and re-debating the issue.</p><ul>
<li>In line with points 1&amp;2 above, I do not feel that favoring staying on track with the current bridge upgrade makes me anti-public-transit.</li><li>In line with point 3 above, I do not feel staying on track would be somehow blocking or delaying light rail expansion across the lake.</li></ul><p>

Overall I feel frustrated by our lack of progress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .
Agree most commenters have not looked at the article or related material .
Some facts : The current rebuild plan * does * add new HOV/Bus lanes and * does not * add any new general travel lanes .
A related set of highway improvements ( that was already approved by voters ) restructures the HOV lanes for the entire length of this highway ( SR520 ) to favor bus and HOV traffic by detangling the carpool lanes from the on/off ramps .
There already is a plan to add light rail service across the lake to the connect the east side .
It just does n't go across this bridge ; it uses the other bridge ( I-90 ) instead .
As a citizen who 's lived in Redmond , Bellevue and Seattle over the past 16 + years , I 've watched our transit system stagnating because we spend all our time changing our minds about what to do .
Each time we seem to be gathering momentum for a public transit improvement , someone comes along and says " but we could do this other thing instead... " and then we lose another 5 years starting over from scratch and re-debating the issue .
In line with points 1&amp;2 above , I do not feel that favoring staying on track with the current bridge upgrade makes me anti-public-transit.In line with point 3 above , I do not feel staying on track would be somehow blocking or delaying light rail expansion across the lake .
Overall I feel frustrated by our lack of progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.
Agree most commenters have not looked at the article or related material.
Some facts:

 The current rebuild plan *does* add new HOV/Bus lanes and *does not* add any new general travel lanes.
A related set of highway improvements (that was already approved by voters) restructures the HOV lanes for the entire length of this highway (SR520) to favor bus and HOV traffic by detangling the carpool lanes from the on/off ramps.
There already is a plan to add light rail service across the lake to the connect the east side.
It just doesn't go across this bridge; it uses the other bridge (I-90) instead.
As a citizen who's lived in Redmond, Bellevue and Seattle over the past 16+ years, I've watched our transit system stagnating because we spend all our time changing our minds about what to do.
Each time we seem to be gathering momentum for a public transit improvement, someone comes along and says "but we could do this other thing instead..." and then we lose another 5 years starting over from scratch and re-debating the issue.
In line with points 1&amp;2 above, I do not feel that favoring staying on track with the current bridge upgrade makes me anti-public-transit.In line with point 3 above, I do not feel staying on track would be somehow blocking or delaying light rail expansion across the lake.
Overall I feel frustrated by our lack of progress.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252512</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266928080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Seriously, do you even live in Seattle? Do you know what 520 bridge is like?</i> <p>
The 520 is the <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1B3GGLL\_enUS359US359&amp;q=520+Bridge+seattle&amp;ndsp=21&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Evergreen+Point+Floating+Bridge,+Seattle,+WA&amp;gl=us&amp;ei=1V2ES-yGJ5GUlAfCg\_GbAg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=geocode\_result&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAcQ8gEwAA" title="google.com">Evergreen Point Floating Bridge.</a> [google.com] across Lake Washington - a <a href="http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520/Pontoons.htm" title="wa.gov">pontoon bridge.</a> [wa.gov] </p><p>
<i>March 8, 2006 - 5:10 p.m. to 4 a.m. March 9, 2006
Crews closed the bridge after on-site inspectors heard unusual noises. Those noises prompted a closer look inside the mechanical parts of the draw pontoons. They found one bolt sheared off, several loose bolts, and flaking paint which is an indication of weakening steel. They immediately closed the bridge to conduct the safety check and make repairs.</i></p><p><i>
Feb. 4, 2006 - 9a.m. to 2 p.m., Feb. 5
Emergency closure due to wind gusts of up to 67 mph. Crews repaired three drawspan hooks that were torn off during the storm. Bridge crews performed a preliminary ultrasonic test during the closure and detected a small crack in the mechanical equipment for the drawspan. The last time the bridge was closed for high winds was March 1999.</i> <a href="http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/bridges/sr520/update/default.aspx" title="wa.gov">Recent SR 520 Bridge Closures</a> [wa.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , do you even live in Seattle ?
Do you know what 520 bridge is like ?
The 520 is the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge .
[ google.com ] across Lake Washington - a pontoon bridge .
[ wa.gov ] March 8 , 2006 - 5 : 10 p.m. to 4 a.m. March 9 , 2006 Crews closed the bridge after on-site inspectors heard unusual noises .
Those noises prompted a closer look inside the mechanical parts of the draw pontoons .
They found one bolt sheared off , several loose bolts , and flaking paint which is an indication of weakening steel .
They immediately closed the bridge to conduct the safety check and make repairs .
Feb. 4 , 2006 - 9a.m .
to 2 p.m. , Feb. 5 Emergency closure due to wind gusts of up to 67 mph .
Crews repaired three drawspan hooks that were torn off during the storm .
Bridge crews performed a preliminary ultrasonic test during the closure and detected a small crack in the mechanical equipment for the drawspan .
The last time the bridge was closed for high winds was March 1999 .
Recent SR 520 Bridge Closures [ wa.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, do you even live in Seattle?
Do you know what 520 bridge is like?
The 520 is the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge.
[google.com] across Lake Washington - a pontoon bridge.
[wa.gov] 
March 8, 2006 - 5:10 p.m. to 4 a.m. March 9, 2006
Crews closed the bridge after on-site inspectors heard unusual noises.
Those noises prompted a closer look inside the mechanical parts of the draw pontoons.
They found one bolt sheared off, several loose bolts, and flaking paint which is an indication of weakening steel.
They immediately closed the bridge to conduct the safety check and make repairs.
Feb. 4, 2006 - 9a.m.
to 2 p.m., Feb. 5
Emergency closure due to wind gusts of up to 67 mph.
Crews repaired three drawspan hooks that were torn off during the storm.
Bridge crews performed a preliminary ultrasonic test during the closure and detected a small crack in the mechanical equipment for the drawspan.
The last time the bridge was closed for high winds was March 1999.
Recent SR 520 Bridge Closures [wa.gov]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251654</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266924180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two (one each way) lanes for general car use - no wonder they don't want it.  Light rail and long range buses are only good if lots of people want to use them.  HOV lanes are only good if people can be convinced to carpool.  Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves.  If that's the case, making them idle in the traffic snarls created by the one general lane each way bridge will not only make everyone late to work but also really exacerbate the smog problem.</p></div><p>Not quite.  Most of the MS employees in Seattle ride the Microsoft Connector bus in to work.  The existing one carpool lane is more then sufficient to accomodate the MS busses.  I live right by the 520 bridge and I'm with MS on this one.  More carpool lanes and/or light rail will just increase the time and cost of the project and add little to no benefit.  We need a new bridge now.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two ( one each way ) lanes for general car use - no wonder they do n't want it .
Light rail and long range buses are only good if lots of people want to use them .
HOV lanes are only good if people can be convinced to carpool .
Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves .
If that 's the case , making them idle in the traffic snarls created by the one general lane each way bridge will not only make everyone late to work but also really exacerbate the smog problem.Not quite .
Most of the MS employees in Seattle ride the Microsoft Connector bus in to work .
The existing one carpool lane is more then sufficient to accomodate the MS busses .
I live right by the 520 bridge and I 'm with MS on this one .
More carpool lanes and/or light rail will just increase the time and cost of the project and add little to no benefit .
We need a new bridge now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two (one each way) lanes for general car use - no wonder they don't want it.
Light rail and long range buses are only good if lots of people want to use them.
HOV lanes are only good if people can be convinced to carpool.
Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves.
If that's the case, making them idle in the traffic snarls created by the one general lane each way bridge will not only make everyone late to work but also really exacerbate the smog problem.Not quite.
Most of the MS employees in Seattle ride the Microsoft Connector bus in to work.
The existing one carpool lane is more then sufficient to accomodate the MS busses.
I live right by the 520 bridge and I'm with MS on this one.
More carpool lanes and/or light rail will just increase the time and cost of the project and add little to no benefit.
We need a new bridge now.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255042</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266942660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The HOV lanes in Washington State are horrendous. They basically serve as toll lanes. And if they aren't toll lanes, than people are using them illegally to pass traffic. Otherwise they're empty. And the bus system in this state is terrible. Every trip I've taken via bus has taken an hour drive and turned it into a 2.5 hour bus trip with transfers and station hopping. The light rail doesn't go anywhere useful. It runs from downtown Tacoma to downtown Seattle.</p><p>The 520 bridge is basically stopped during rush hour every day because of the number of people who commute over it. And every time the state senate adds more lanes to highways, they're HOV lanes. So it's pointless. It'll just be another way to wring money out of people by getting us to pay for another lane and then making us pay to use it.</p><p>The "six-lane" option is actually a four lane option which is what we have now. But they're adding two HOV lanes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The HOV lanes in Washington State are horrendous .
They basically serve as toll lanes .
And if they are n't toll lanes , than people are using them illegally to pass traffic .
Otherwise they 're empty .
And the bus system in this state is terrible .
Every trip I 've taken via bus has taken an hour drive and turned it into a 2.5 hour bus trip with transfers and station hopping .
The light rail does n't go anywhere useful .
It runs from downtown Tacoma to downtown Seattle.The 520 bridge is basically stopped during rush hour every day because of the number of people who commute over it .
And every time the state senate adds more lanes to highways , they 're HOV lanes .
So it 's pointless .
It 'll just be another way to wring money out of people by getting us to pay for another lane and then making us pay to use it.The " six-lane " option is actually a four lane option which is what we have now .
But they 're adding two HOV lanes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The HOV lanes in Washington State are horrendous.
They basically serve as toll lanes.
And if they aren't toll lanes, than people are using them illegally to pass traffic.
Otherwise they're empty.
And the bus system in this state is terrible.
Every trip I've taken via bus has taken an hour drive and turned it into a 2.5 hour bus trip with transfers and station hopping.
The light rail doesn't go anywhere useful.
It runs from downtown Tacoma to downtown Seattle.The 520 bridge is basically stopped during rush hour every day because of the number of people who commute over it.
And every time the state senate adds more lanes to highways, they're HOV lanes.
So it's pointless.
It'll just be another way to wring money out of people by getting us to pay for another lane and then making us pay to use it.The "six-lane" option is actually a four lane option which is what we have now.
But they're adding two HOV lanes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253978</id>
	<title>Zero Carbon Energy</title>
	<author>hackus</author>
	<datestamp>1266935280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gates is part of the establishment.</p><p>That being, OIL.</p><p>Nice propaganda stunt, but if anyone here honestly believes we are going to make a dent on alternative ANYTHING that doesn't involve OIL is seriously whacked.</p><p>There is no way the 8 or so families in the world that control OIL distribution and production will permit someone to just walk in and destroy their wealth and power.</p><p>There is nothing hard about the problem of alternative energy to OIL.   There is however, a political and power structure problem.</p><p>Gates is a fool.</p><p>He doesn't have the expertise or the education to make any meaningful comments about a free market that would be built upon alternative energy and how it would work.</p><p>Gates wealth was built on fraud, industrial espionage, theft and pay offs to judges and congressional leaders to operate an illegal monopoly in the United States.<br>(Now, the United Fascist States of America.)</p><p>This is the last person I want commenting on anything....</p><p>Seriously.</p><p>-Hack</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gates is part of the establishment.That being , OIL.Nice propaganda stunt , but if anyone here honestly believes we are going to make a dent on alternative ANYTHING that does n't involve OIL is seriously whacked.There is no way the 8 or so families in the world that control OIL distribution and production will permit someone to just walk in and destroy their wealth and power.There is nothing hard about the problem of alternative energy to OIL .
There is however , a political and power structure problem.Gates is a fool.He does n't have the expertise or the education to make any meaningful comments about a free market that would be built upon alternative energy and how it would work.Gates wealth was built on fraud , industrial espionage , theft and pay offs to judges and congressional leaders to operate an illegal monopoly in the United States .
( Now , the United Fascist States of America .
) This is the last person I want commenting on anything....Seriously.-Hack</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gates is part of the establishment.That being, OIL.Nice propaganda stunt, but if anyone here honestly believes we are going to make a dent on alternative ANYTHING that doesn't involve OIL is seriously whacked.There is no way the 8 or so families in the world that control OIL distribution and production will permit someone to just walk in and destroy their wealth and power.There is nothing hard about the problem of alternative energy to OIL.
There is however, a political and power structure problem.Gates is a fool.He doesn't have the expertise or the education to make any meaningful comments about a free market that would be built upon alternative energy and how it would work.Gates wealth was built on fraud, industrial espionage, theft and pay offs to judges and congressional leaders to operate an illegal monopoly in the United States.
(Now, the United Fascist States of America.
)This is the last person I want commenting on anything....Seriously.-Hack</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251444</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1266923340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to oppose a bridge that may well be a bad idea to build.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
They're opposing any further delay for replacing an old, existing bridge.  There is already an approved design for the new bridge, but some want to change the design to accommodate more HOV and public-transit lanes.  From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>The state Senate has signed off on the so-called "A+" option, which would include six lanes total, with two lanes for high-occupancy vehicles and buses. McGinn's proposal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is to come up with a new 520 plan that would incorporate high-capacity transit (light rail or bus-rapid transit) as well as two HOV and two general-purpose lanes.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Apparently, the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to oppose a bridge that may well be a bad idea to build .
They 're opposing any further delay for replacing an old , existing bridge .
There is already an approved design for the new bridge , but some want to change the design to accommodate more HOV and public-transit lanes .
From TFA : The state Senate has signed off on the so-called " A + " option , which would include six lanes total , with two lanes for high-occupancy vehicles and buses .
McGinn 's proposal ... is to come up with a new 520 plan that would incorporate high-capacity transit ( light rail or bus-rapid transit ) as well as two HOV and two general-purpose lanes .
Apparently , the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it 's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to oppose a bridge that may well be a bad idea to build.
They're opposing any further delay for replacing an old, existing bridge.
There is already an approved design for the new bridge, but some want to change the design to accommodate more HOV and public-transit lanes.
From TFA:The state Senate has signed off on the so-called "A+" option, which would include six lanes total, with two lanes for high-occupancy vehicles and buses.
McGinn's proposal ... is to come up with a new 520 plan that would incorporate high-capacity transit (light rail or bus-rapid transit) as well as two HOV and two general-purpose lanes.
Apparently, the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257322</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1265109360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And we're worried about Nuclear? Why exactly?</p></div><p>Same reason people vote expecting change.</p><p>Because it's a lot easier to believe a figure you have mentally associated with authority than it is to research and find out for yourself.</p><p>Having said that, one could argue that environmentalists are taking the word of a few eco nutjobs but why should they believe you as a random<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'er that nuclear power is the way to go?  What sources did you use to reach that conclusion and why should anyone trust that these sources cover the most pressing aspects?</p></div>
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<tokenext>And we 're worried about Nuclear ?
Why exactly ? Same reason people vote expecting change.Because it 's a lot easier to believe a figure you have mentally associated with authority than it is to research and find out for yourself.Having said that , one could argue that environmentalists are taking the word of a few eco nutjobs but why should they believe you as a random / .
'er that nuclear power is the way to go ?
What sources did you use to reach that conclusion and why should anyone trust that these sources cover the most pressing aspects ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And we're worried about Nuclear?
Why exactly?Same reason people vote expecting change.Because it's a lot easier to believe a figure you have mentally associated with authority than it is to research and find out for yourself.Having said that, one could argue that environmentalists are taking the word of a few eco nutjobs but why should they believe you as a random /.
'er that nuclear power is the way to go?
What sources did you use to reach that conclusion and why should anyone trust that these sources cover the most pressing aspects?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255172</id>
	<title>Also Hitler...</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1266943680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...contributed to the development of efficient cars while Nazi polluted the environment over the course of WWII.</p><p>No, seriously, who fucking cares what Gates or Microsoft say about CO2? Or Uranium. Or puppies. There is not enough fuel on this planet to create the amount of damage they caused to science, engineering and culture over their more than three decades of their reign over everything even remotely related to computing.</p><p>(Godwin can kiss my ass -- Microsoft and Nazi are by now at the comparable scale as far as lasting consequences are concerned).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...contributed to the development of efficient cars while Nazi polluted the environment over the course of WWII.No , seriously , who fucking cares what Gates or Microsoft say about CO2 ?
Or Uranium .
Or puppies .
There is not enough fuel on this planet to create the amount of damage they caused to science , engineering and culture over their more than three decades of their reign over everything even remotely related to computing .
( Godwin can kiss my ass -- Microsoft and Nazi are by now at the comparable scale as far as lasting consequences are concerned ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...contributed to the development of efficient cars while Nazi polluted the environment over the course of WWII.No, seriously, who fucking cares what Gates or Microsoft say about CO2?
Or Uranium.
Or puppies.
There is not enough fuel on this planet to create the amount of damage they caused to science, engineering and culture over their more than three decades of their reign over everything even remotely related to computing.
(Godwin can kiss my ass -- Microsoft and Nazi are by now at the comparable scale as far as lasting consequences are concerned).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252764</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266929280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apparently, the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.</p></div><p>It's a floating bridge. It fell into the water many years ago by design.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Apparently , the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it 's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.It 's a floating bridge .
It fell into the water many years ago by design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.It's a floating bridge.
It fell into the water many years ago by design.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31282382</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267216500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need to stop focusing on carbon footprint... and focus on sustainability, and energy efficiency.<br>Even if we cut global carbon emissions by 95\%... what would that solve?...<br>In the long run... all it would do... is lower the global temperature by 2 Degrees...</p><p>That's Right... only 2 Degrees.</p><p>The earth has warming and cooling cycles.  It always has.<br>Lowering our carbon emissions by even 100\% is not going to keep; The Polar Ice Caps from melting, California from being swallowed by the Ocean, or Prevent the next Ice age.</p><p>This stuff WILL happen eventually... we need to focus on our plans for these scenarios... and how to make our buildings, computer, cars etc... last longer... and work more efficiently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to stop focusing on carbon footprint... and focus on sustainability , and energy efficiency.Even if we cut global carbon emissions by 95 \ % ... what would that solve ? ...In the long run... all it would do... is lower the global temperature by 2 Degrees...That 's Right... only 2 Degrees.The earth has warming and cooling cycles .
It always has.Lowering our carbon emissions by even 100 \ % is not going to keep ; The Polar Ice Caps from melting , California from being swallowed by the Ocean , or Prevent the next Ice age.This stuff WILL happen eventually... we need to focus on our plans for these scenarios... and how to make our buildings , computer , cars etc... last longer... and work more efficiently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to stop focusing on carbon footprint... and focus on sustainability, and energy efficiency.Even if we cut global carbon emissions by 95\%... what would that solve?...In the long run... all it would do... is lower the global temperature by 2 Degrees...That's Right... only 2 Degrees.The earth has warming and cooling cycles.
It always has.Lowering our carbon emissions by even 100\% is not going to keep; The Polar Ice Caps from melting, California from being swallowed by the Ocean, or Prevent the next Ice age.This stuff WILL happen eventually... we need to focus on our plans for these scenarios... and how to make our buildings, computer, cars etc... last longer... and work more efficiently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253548</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266932940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've taken the bridge many times. It is only really badly congested from about 4~5pm-7pm and ~7-10am. Otherwise it really isn't so bad to go across. Now Montlake starts backing up at around 2.30-3.30p in the afternoon, and I-5 starts backing up 3.30-4 in the afternoon so that can cause problems GETTING to 520.</p><p>That said, the 'bully lanes' (HOV3) are the bulk of the backup problems. Merging turns what could be a nice 40mph drive into a clusterfuck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've taken the bridge many times .
It is only really badly congested from about 4 ~ 5pm-7pm and ~ 7-10am .
Otherwise it really is n't so bad to go across .
Now Montlake starts backing up at around 2.30-3.30p in the afternoon , and I-5 starts backing up 3.30-4 in the afternoon so that can cause problems GETTING to 520.That said , the 'bully lanes ' ( HOV3 ) are the bulk of the backup problems .
Merging turns what could be a nice 40mph drive into a clusterfuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've taken the bridge many times.
It is only really badly congested from about 4~5pm-7pm and ~7-10am.
Otherwise it really isn't so bad to go across.
Now Montlake starts backing up at around 2.30-3.30p in the afternoon, and I-5 starts backing up 3.30-4 in the afternoon so that can cause problems GETTING to 520.That said, the 'bully lanes' (HOV3) are the bulk of the backup problems.
Merging turns what could be a nice 40mph drive into a clusterfuck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31258080</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>Dominic</author>
	<datestamp>1265118180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS could help cut the traffic, pollution and everything else quite simply. They just need to pay people some sort of bonus if they get shared transport or walk/bus/train to work. Money talks. A parking space at work is a benefit, whether people see it that way or not. If I walk to work I am saving the company money and not getting a benefit that other employees get, so a bit more in my pay packet is only fair.</p><p>Of course, a progressive local authority would just tax parking spaces. You'd soon see companies paying towards shared transport then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS could help cut the traffic , pollution and everything else quite simply .
They just need to pay people some sort of bonus if they get shared transport or walk/bus/train to work .
Money talks .
A parking space at work is a benefit , whether people see it that way or not .
If I walk to work I am saving the company money and not getting a benefit that other employees get , so a bit more in my pay packet is only fair.Of course , a progressive local authority would just tax parking spaces .
You 'd soon see companies paying towards shared transport then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS could help cut the traffic, pollution and everything else quite simply.
They just need to pay people some sort of bonus if they get shared transport or walk/bus/train to work.
Money talks.
A parking space at work is a benefit, whether people see it that way or not.
If I walk to work I am saving the company money and not getting a benefit that other employees get, so a bit more in my pay packet is only fair.Of course, a progressive local authority would just tax parking spaces.
You'd soon see companies paying towards shared transport then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31256602</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Cee</author>
	<datestamp>1265143800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. I just don't understand is why Greenpeace opposes nuclear power.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl\_disaster#Controversy\_over\_.22Wildlife\_Haven.22\_claim" title="wikipedia.org">Experience from the Chernobyl disaster</a> [wikipedia.org] seems to tell us that even a worst scenario disaster has little impact on nature. And what's more important, the damage done is fairly local. The alternative to nuclear power for many nations are coal burning power plants, producing CO2 which has a <i>global impact</i>.<br>What's best for the planet? A potential local disaster or a global one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I just do n't understand is why Greenpeace opposes nuclear power.Experience from the Chernobyl disaster [ wikipedia.org ] seems to tell us that even a worst scenario disaster has little impact on nature .
And what 's more important , the damage done is fairly local .
The alternative to nuclear power for many nations are coal burning power plants , producing CO2 which has a global impact.What 's best for the planet ?
A potential local disaster or a global one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I just don't understand is why Greenpeace opposes nuclear power.Experience from the Chernobyl disaster [wikipedia.org] seems to tell us that even a worst scenario disaster has little impact on nature.
And what's more important, the damage done is fairly local.
The alternative to nuclear power for many nations are coal burning power plants, producing CO2 which has a global impact.What's best for the planet?
A potential local disaster or a global one?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252320</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>bmk67</author>
	<datestamp>1266927120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the case of MS, there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520' went away.  Sure it would be a hassle, but not the end of the world.  I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.</p></div><p>FYI, a 10 mile alternate route in Seattle usually means a delay measured in hours.  Drive in Seattle's rush hour (which in reality lasts pretty much all day), and see if you can see reasonable alternatives.</p><p>I can't believe I'm going to stick up for Microsoft, but here we go.  Microsoft is not asking for a "Microsoft custom" bridge.  The bridge replacement planning process has drug on for DECADES and the bridge is estimated to have 7 years of useful life remaining.  The SR-520 bridge needs to be replaced, everyone knows it, and Microsoft is simply asking that the powers-that-be simply stop dragging their feet on the issue.</p></div>
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<tokenext>In the case of MS , there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520 ' went away .
Sure it would be a hassle , but not the end of the world .
I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.FYI , a 10 mile alternate route in Seattle usually means a delay measured in hours .
Drive in Seattle 's rush hour ( which in reality lasts pretty much all day ) , and see if you can see reasonable alternatives.I ca n't believe I 'm going to stick up for Microsoft , but here we go .
Microsoft is not asking for a " Microsoft custom " bridge .
The bridge replacement planning process has drug on for DECADES and the bridge is estimated to have 7 years of useful life remaining .
The SR-520 bridge needs to be replaced , everyone knows it , and Microsoft is simply asking that the powers-that-be simply stop dragging their feet on the issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the case of MS, there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520' went away.
Sure it would be a hassle, but not the end of the world.
I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.FYI, a 10 mile alternate route in Seattle usually means a delay measured in hours.
Drive in Seattle's rush hour (which in reality lasts pretty much all day), and see if you can see reasonable alternatives.I can't believe I'm going to stick up for Microsoft, but here we go.
Microsoft is not asking for a "Microsoft custom" bridge.
The bridge replacement planning process has drug on for DECADES and the bridge is estimated to have 7 years of useful life remaining.
The SR-520 bridge needs to be replaced, everyone knows it, and Microsoft is simply asking that the powers-that-be simply stop dragging their feet on the issue.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254928</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266941820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear</p></div><p>On what planet?  I'm an environmentalist and I'm all in favor of nuclear power.  When located appropriately (ie, a not-seismically active region) and designed and maintained properly (ie, not Soviet) they're quite safe and reliable.

</p><p>Though, nuclear isn't a great option in the Pacific Northwest thanks to being covered in fault lines.  What happens when you build a nuclear plant on a faultline?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan\_Nuclear\_Power\_Plant" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Trojan Nuclear Power Plant</a> [wikipedia.org], the inspiration for Groening's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fictional\_locations\_in\_The\_Simpsons#Springfield\_Nuclear\_Power\_Plant" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Springfield Nuclear Power Plant</a> [wikipedia.org].  Despite what his publicist said, Groening drew a map of Portland with landmarks from The Simpsons... guess what represented Trojan...</p></div>
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<tokenext>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclearOn what planet ?
I 'm an environmentalist and I 'm all in favor of nuclear power .
When located appropriately ( ie , a not-seismically active region ) and designed and maintained properly ( ie , not Soviet ) they 're quite safe and reliable .
Though , nuclear is n't a great option in the Pacific Northwest thanks to being covered in fault lines .
What happens when you build a nuclear plant on a faultline ?
Trojan Nuclear Power Plant [ wikipedia.org ] , the inspiration for Groening 's Springfield Nuclear Power Plant [ wikipedia.org ] .
Despite what his publicist said , Groening drew a map of Portland with landmarks from The Simpsons... guess what represented Trojan.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclearOn what planet?
I'm an environmentalist and I'm all in favor of nuclear power.
When located appropriately (ie, a not-seismically active region) and designed and maintained properly (ie, not Soviet) they're quite safe and reliable.
Though, nuclear isn't a great option in the Pacific Northwest thanks to being covered in fault lines.
What happens when you build a nuclear plant on a faultline?
Trojan Nuclear Power Plant [wikipedia.org], the inspiration for Groening's Springfield Nuclear Power Plant [wikipedia.org].
Despite what his publicist said, Groening drew a map of Portland with landmarks from The Simpsons... guess what represented Trojan...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254806</id>
	<title>Re:Terrible Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266940980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shame on the moderators for modding the parent up... clearly someone didn't RTFA.

Microsoft wants them to start work on the bridge sooner, with a half-assed design, rather than ensuring it gets built right with the future in mind the first time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shame on the moderators for modding the parent up... clearly someone did n't RTFA .
Microsoft wants them to start work on the bridge sooner , with a half-assed design , rather than ensuring it gets built right with the future in mind the first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shame on the moderators for modding the parent up... clearly someone didn't RTFA.
Microsoft wants them to start work on the bridge sooner, with a half-assed design, rather than ensuring it gets built right with the future in mind the first time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257272</id>
	<title>Not humanitarian?</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1265108760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Environmental issues may not be humanitarian just yet, but in 50 years or less they certainly will be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Environmental issues may not be humanitarian just yet , but in 50 years or less they certainly will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Environmental issues may not be humanitarian just yet, but in 50 years or less they certainly will be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251326</id>
	<title>only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>magarity</author>
	<datestamp>1266922920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two (one each way) lanes for general car use - no wonder they don't want it.  Light rail and long range buses are only good if lots of people want to use them.  HOV lanes are only good if people can be convinced to carpool.  Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves.  If that's the case, making them idle in the traffic snarls created by the one general lane each way bridge will not only make everyone late to work but also really exacerbate the smog problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two ( one each way ) lanes for general car use - no wonder they do n't want it .
Light rail and long range buses are only good if lots of people want to use them .
HOV lanes are only good if people can be convinced to carpool .
Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves .
If that 's the case , making them idle in the traffic snarls created by the one general lane each way bridge will not only make everyone late to work but also really exacerbate the smog problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two (one each way) lanes for general car use - no wonder they don't want it.
Light rail and long range buses are only good if lots of people want to use them.
HOV lanes are only good if people can be convinced to carpool.
Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves.
If that's the case, making them idle in the traffic snarls created by the one general lane each way bridge will not only make everyone late to work but also really exacerbate the smog problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253160</id>
	<title>until MS pays us taxes, they can fuck themselves</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266931140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Far as I'm concern, MS can pay us taxes if they want to have any say in how we build any infrastructure in Seattle/King County/Washington State.</p><p>Until then, they can fuck off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Far as I 'm concern , MS can pay us taxes if they want to have any say in how we build any infrastructure in Seattle/King County/Washington State.Until then , they can fuck off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Far as I'm concern, MS can pay us taxes if they want to have any say in how we build any infrastructure in Seattle/King County/Washington State.Until then, they can fuck off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251742</id>
	<title>Re:Population Reduction</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1266924480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I noticed that too. He's the typical modern elite - every problem can be solved by more control and population reduction. It's funny their M.O. is always the same - the problem is everyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed that too .
He 's the typical modern elite - every problem can be solved by more control and population reduction .
It 's funny their M.O .
is always the same - the problem is everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed that too.
He's the typical modern elite - every problem can be solved by more control and population reduction.
It's funny their M.O.
is always the same - the problem is everyone else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251788</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>legio\_noctis</author>
	<datestamp>1266924660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seeing as Bill Gates no longer works at Microsoft, I doubt they see eye-to-eye at all. Nor do they need to, or we to know whether or nether they are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing as Bill Gates no longer works at Microsoft , I doubt they see eye-to-eye at all .
Nor do they need to , or we to know whether or nether they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing as Bill Gates no longer works at Microsoft, I doubt they see eye-to-eye at all.
Nor do they need to, or we to know whether or nether they are.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251914</id>
	<title>Re:Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1266925200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Certainly Bill Gates doesn't want -ME- to build a nuclear reactor all on my own. He clearly mentions its a project that has to be undertaken by a lot of governments, not just a corporation or a few individuals.</p><p>He has even actually gone out of his way to fund some projects of the like. But he knows that he alone nor Microsoft could accomplish the goal. It requires a unilateral push by many countries across the planet.</p><p>His talk was more directed to those in political power, or to give a direction to the people who vote. Not once did Gates tell me to turn off my lightbulbs or recycle more. Go watch his talk and you'll see that he wasn't saying what you're assuming he was saying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Certainly Bill Gates does n't want -ME- to build a nuclear reactor all on my own .
He clearly mentions its a project that has to be undertaken by a lot of governments , not just a corporation or a few individuals.He has even actually gone out of his way to fund some projects of the like .
But he knows that he alone nor Microsoft could accomplish the goal .
It requires a unilateral push by many countries across the planet.His talk was more directed to those in political power , or to give a direction to the people who vote .
Not once did Gates tell me to turn off my lightbulbs or recycle more .
Go watch his talk and you 'll see that he was n't saying what you 're assuming he was saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Certainly Bill Gates doesn't want -ME- to build a nuclear reactor all on my own.
He clearly mentions its a project that has to be undertaken by a lot of governments, not just a corporation or a few individuals.He has even actually gone out of his way to fund some projects of the like.
But he knows that he alone nor Microsoft could accomplish the goal.
It requires a unilateral push by many countries across the planet.His talk was more directed to those in political power, or to give a direction to the people who vote.
Not once did Gates tell me to turn off my lightbulbs or recycle more.
Go watch his talk and you'll see that he wasn't saying what you're assuming he was saying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251466</id>
	<title>Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>Bob9113</author>
	<datestamp>1266923460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing in this is contradictory. Like most people, particularly those with power and wealth, he wants everyone else to do something to reduce carbon emissions while he flies around in his private jet and pumps megawatts into his electro-fortress. See also Al Gore's mansion and The Governator's private jet commute from Malibu to Sacramento. Contrast with Ed Begley Jr, who seems to practice what he preaches -- and is the exception that proves the rule.</p><p>The rich and famous are only required to <i>appear</i> as though they want a better future, or we would rise up and slay them. Good PR does more to protect their aristocracy than making sacrifices -- the PR is all that the serfs know of the nobles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing in this is contradictory .
Like most people , particularly those with power and wealth , he wants everyone else to do something to reduce carbon emissions while he flies around in his private jet and pumps megawatts into his electro-fortress .
See also Al Gore 's mansion and The Governator 's private jet commute from Malibu to Sacramento .
Contrast with Ed Begley Jr , who seems to practice what he preaches -- and is the exception that proves the rule.The rich and famous are only required to appear as though they want a better future , or we would rise up and slay them .
Good PR does more to protect their aristocracy than making sacrifices -- the PR is all that the serfs know of the nobles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing in this is contradictory.
Like most people, particularly those with power and wealth, he wants everyone else to do something to reduce carbon emissions while he flies around in his private jet and pumps megawatts into his electro-fortress.
See also Al Gore's mansion and The Governator's private jet commute from Malibu to Sacramento.
Contrast with Ed Begley Jr, who seems to practice what he preaches -- and is the exception that proves the rule.The rich and famous are only required to appear as though they want a better future, or we would rise up and slay them.
Good PR does more to protect their aristocracy than making sacrifices -- the PR is all that the serfs know of the nobles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257344</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265109660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I spend up to an hour, for what should be a 15-20 minute trip. That's around 30 minutes of extra idle time in my car, which could easily be saved.</p></div><p>Can you not use a bicycle? In my job before this one,  door to desk: 45 minutes by car (+&pound;8 a day parking and fuel), 30 minutes by bus (&pound;12 a week), 20 minutes by bike (&pound;3 a week maintainance average). Sure I had to leave at the same time as I would have caught the bus so that I could get a shower in at work, but I got an extra 15 minutes in bed too. That was in Manchester, UK, which has a similar amount of rain to Seattle. I also notice taht Redmond is billed as "Bicycle capital of the North West" on the sign in the wikipedia article.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spend up to an hour , for what should be a 15-20 minute trip .
That 's around 30 minutes of extra idle time in my car , which could easily be saved.Can you not use a bicycle ?
In my job before this one , door to desk : 45 minutes by car ( +   8 a day parking and fuel ) , 30 minutes by bus (   12 a week ) , 20 minutes by bike (   3 a week maintainance average ) .
Sure I had to leave at the same time as I would have caught the bus so that I could get a shower in at work , but I got an extra 15 minutes in bed too .
That was in Manchester , UK , which has a similar amount of rain to Seattle .
I also notice taht Redmond is billed as " Bicycle capital of the North West " on the sign in the wikipedia article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spend up to an hour, for what should be a 15-20 minute trip.
That's around 30 minutes of extra idle time in my car, which could easily be saved.Can you not use a bicycle?
In my job before this one,  door to desk: 45 minutes by car (+£8 a day parking and fuel), 30 minutes by bus (£12 a week), 20 minutes by bike (£3 a week maintainance average).
Sure I had to leave at the same time as I would have caught the bus so that I could get a shower in at work, but I got an extra 15 minutes in bed too.
That was in Manchester, UK, which has a similar amount of rain to Seattle.
I also notice taht Redmond is billed as "Bicycle capital of the North West" on the sign in the wikipedia article.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252174</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253076</id>
	<title>Kdawson FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266930780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing more to say at this point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing more to say at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing more to say at this point.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253830</id>
	<title>Re:Terrible Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1266934440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>Microsoft is mostly against it because it highly affects their employees in a negative way. It means more lates, or more inconvenience. Will the CO2 offset from more buses balance out the increased amount created during its upgrade? Who knows.</em> </p><p>
And it depends on the rate of adoption of electric/hydrogen cars, whether the redesign/rebuild  even ultimately has much in the way of benefits<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is mostly against it because it highly affects their employees in a negative way .
It means more lates , or more inconvenience .
Will the CO2 offset from more buses balance out the increased amount created during its upgrade ?
Who knows .
And it depends on the rate of adoption of electric/hydrogen cars , whether the redesign/rebuild even ultimately has much in the way of benefits : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Microsoft is mostly against it because it highly affects their employees in a negative way.
It means more lates, or more inconvenience.
Will the CO2 offset from more buses balance out the increased amount created during its upgrade?
Who knows.
And it depends on the rate of adoption of electric/hydrogen cars, whether the redesign/rebuild  even ultimately has much in the way of benefits :)
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251334</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254292</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266937500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If we'd gone nuclear since the 70s, we'd have met every CO2 target out there today, and we wouldn't be having all this annoying debate. Well, we'd be having some kind of annoying debate, but not so much over CO2 production.</p></div><p>We'd have a discussion about how to handle the amount of radioactive waste instead. Great. There still is no good way to handle nuclear waste. All we have are trials. Live trials. Kind of like software that gets tested in a production environment. And we see it failing. E.g. in Germany, where we put radioactive waste into old salt mines and such. Looked to be a really great idea, until water came through (you know, something that nobody could ever think of happening).</p><p>I kind of like harsher winters and a rising sea level better than radioactively polluted ground water for millions and millions of years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we 'd gone nuclear since the 70s , we 'd have met every CO2 target out there today , and we would n't be having all this annoying debate .
Well , we 'd be having some kind of annoying debate , but not so much over CO2 production.We 'd have a discussion about how to handle the amount of radioactive waste instead .
Great. There still is no good way to handle nuclear waste .
All we have are trials .
Live trials .
Kind of like software that gets tested in a production environment .
And we see it failing .
E.g. in Germany , where we put radioactive waste into old salt mines and such .
Looked to be a really great idea , until water came through ( you know , something that nobody could ever think of happening ) .I kind of like harsher winters and a rising sea level better than radioactively polluted ground water for millions and millions of years : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we'd gone nuclear since the 70s, we'd have met every CO2 target out there today, and we wouldn't be having all this annoying debate.
Well, we'd be having some kind of annoying debate, but not so much over CO2 production.We'd have a discussion about how to handle the amount of radioactive waste instead.
Great. There still is no good way to handle nuclear waste.
All we have are trials.
Live trials.
Kind of like software that gets tested in a production environment.
And we see it failing.
E.g. in Germany, where we put radioactive waste into old salt mines and such.
Looked to be a really great idea, until water came through (you know, something that nobody could ever think of happening).I kind of like harsher winters and a rising sea level better than radioactively polluted ground water for millions and millions of years :)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251578</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>operagost</author>
	<datestamp>1266923940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>HOV lanes are an insult to the taxpayers who pay for highways.  They're an even greater insult to the drivers who pay never-ending tolls to use those roads, then are told that they can't use part of it while everyone sits in traffic wasting fuel and polluting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>HOV lanes are an insult to the taxpayers who pay for highways .
They 're an even greater insult to the drivers who pay never-ending tolls to use those roads , then are told that they ca n't use part of it while everyone sits in traffic wasting fuel and polluting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HOV lanes are an insult to the taxpayers who pay for highways.
They're an even greater insult to the drivers who pay never-ending tolls to use those roads, then are told that they can't use part of it while everyone sits in traffic wasting fuel and polluting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251326</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252786</id>
	<title>kdawson</title>
	<author>wampus</author>
	<datestamp>1266929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The cancer that is killing slashdot or the AIDS that is killing slashdot?  You decide!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The cancer that is killing slashdot or the AIDS that is killing slashdot ?
You decide !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cancer that is killing slashdot or the AIDS that is killing slashdot?
You decide!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252112</id>
	<title>Re:Population Reduction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266926100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps you would like to volunteer to help out? Shall we sterilize your children? Will you agree to only one child or we'll euthanize them? Helping out the common good. Good for you! How do you think vaccines would help reduce population? Make people healthier so that they will.. have less children. Yeah.. It's called culling the herd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you would like to volunteer to help out ?
Shall we sterilize your children ?
Will you agree to only one child or we 'll euthanize them ?
Helping out the common good .
Good for you !
How do you think vaccines would help reduce population ?
Make people healthier so that they will.. have less children .
Yeah.. It 's called culling the herd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you would like to volunteer to help out?
Shall we sterilize your children?
Will you agree to only one child or we'll euthanize them?
Helping out the common good.
Good for you!
How do you think vaccines would help reduce population?
Make people healthier so that they will.. have less children.
Yeah.. It's called culling the herd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255170</id>
	<title>Blatant smear attempt of Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266943680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This poster has no effing clue about Microsoft and mass transit.  Microsoft spends MASSIVE money funding local transit, including buses (both city buses and its own fleet of privately-operated neighborhood buses), pushing light rail, and funding local improvements to Washington's freeways.  Microsoft pays for every single employee to have absolutely free access to all Seattle buses, as a way to encourage people to take buses, rather than commute in single cars.</p><p>This article is trying to smear Microsoft, to portray Microsoft as if it is trying to resist some reasonable transit bill.  It is a smear, just like most articles posted on Slashdot about Microsoft.</p><p>I commute to Microsoft campus every day, and have for years.  The effort that the company has spent on improving transit access, and on massively funding PUBLIC transportation and on pushing people away from single-occupant cars and toward better options is just amazing.  Screw the author of this bullshit headline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This poster has no effing clue about Microsoft and mass transit .
Microsoft spends MASSIVE money funding local transit , including buses ( both city buses and its own fleet of privately-operated neighborhood buses ) , pushing light rail , and funding local improvements to Washington 's freeways .
Microsoft pays for every single employee to have absolutely free access to all Seattle buses , as a way to encourage people to take buses , rather than commute in single cars.This article is trying to smear Microsoft , to portray Microsoft as if it is trying to resist some reasonable transit bill .
It is a smear , just like most articles posted on Slashdot about Microsoft.I commute to Microsoft campus every day , and have for years .
The effort that the company has spent on improving transit access , and on massively funding PUBLIC transportation and on pushing people away from single-occupant cars and toward better options is just amazing .
Screw the author of this bullshit headline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This poster has no effing clue about Microsoft and mass transit.
Microsoft spends MASSIVE money funding local transit, including buses (both city buses and its own fleet of privately-operated neighborhood buses), pushing light rail, and funding local improvements to Washington's freeways.
Microsoft pays for every single employee to have absolutely free access to all Seattle buses, as a way to encourage people to take buses, rather than commute in single cars.This article is trying to smear Microsoft, to portray Microsoft as if it is trying to resist some reasonable transit bill.
It is a smear, just like most articles posted on Slashdot about Microsoft.I commute to Microsoft campus every day, and have for years.
The effort that the company has spent on improving transit access, and on massively funding PUBLIC transportation and on pushing people away from single-occupant cars and toward better options is just amazing.
Screw the author of this bullshit headline.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252408</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>McBeer</author>
	<datestamp>1266927660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's interesting that the "conservative" view here supports government spending on a project that mainly benefits Microsoft employees.</p></div><p>You apparently don't live in Washington.  Everybody in a huge radius of this bridge wants it replaced ASAP.  It causes huge traffic problems every day and is ready to sink into Lake Washington on a moments notice.  </p><p>Ironically, replacing it benefits the average MSFT employee less then the average Seattle resident as the MSFT employee can scoot through on the Microsoft connector bus in the carpool lane at any time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting that the " conservative " view here supports government spending on a project that mainly benefits Microsoft employees.You apparently do n't live in Washington .
Everybody in a huge radius of this bridge wants it replaced ASAP .
It causes huge traffic problems every day and is ready to sink into Lake Washington on a moments notice .
Ironically , replacing it benefits the average MSFT employee less then the average Seattle resident as the MSFT employee can scoot through on the Microsoft connector bus in the carpool lane at any time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting that the "conservative" view here supports government spending on a project that mainly benefits Microsoft employees.You apparently don't live in Washington.
Everybody in a huge radius of this bridge wants it replaced ASAP.
It causes huge traffic problems every day and is ready to sink into Lake Washington on a moments notice.
Ironically, replacing it benefits the average MSFT employee less then the average Seattle resident as the MSFT employee can scoot through on the Microsoft connector bus in the carpool lane at any time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251952</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254950</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266941940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apparently, the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.</p></div><p>Hi, welcome to Cascadia!  You must be new here.  So spend all your money, and remember to go home when you're done visiting.  Oh, and be sure to <a href="http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/2008-04-wind-sr-520-floating-bridge.jpg" title="allamericanpatriots.com" rel="nofollow">check out the bridge you're talking about with zero knowledge</a> [allamericanpatriots.com] while you're at it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently , the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it 's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.Hi , welcome to Cascadia !
You must be new here .
So spend all your money , and remember to go home when you 're done visiting .
Oh , and be sure to check out the bridge you 're talking about with zero knowledge [ allamericanpatriots.com ] while you 're at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently, the existing bridge could fall into the water at the next earthquake and it's a main route for Microsoft employees to/from the campus.Hi, welcome to Cascadia!
You must be new here.
So spend all your money, and remember to go home when you're done visiting.
Oh, and be sure to check out the bridge you're talking about with zero knowledge [allamericanpatriots.com] while you're at it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255482</id>
	<title>What about the Nuclear Waste problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266946140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am dead set against nuclear power until they can solve the nuclear waste problem. I know, breeder reactors, blah blah blah, they don't exist in this country and I have not heard of a plan to build one. Let's see, the choice is between CO2 that will go away in my lifetime (either naturally or with some help), and radioactive waste that will last several thousands of years...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am dead set against nuclear power until they can solve the nuclear waste problem .
I know , breeder reactors , blah blah blah , they do n't exist in this country and I have not heard of a plan to build one .
Let 's see , the choice is between CO2 that will go away in my lifetime ( either naturally or with some help ) , and radioactive waste that will last several thousands of years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am dead set against nuclear power until they can solve the nuclear waste problem.
I know, breeder reactors, blah blah blah, they don't exist in this country and I have not heard of a plan to build one.
Let's see, the choice is between CO2 that will go away in my lifetime (either naturally or with some help), and radioactive waste that will last several thousands of years...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251388</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252388</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1266927480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You are absolutely correct, one cannot comment unless one has traveled the mile in the local shoes. However, two things stand out. First, even the imminent collapse of a bridge does not mean that taxpayer, perhaps federal, can forfeit their right to due diligence. Taxpayers deserve a fully explored plan. If that means studies and whatnot delay it, then so be it.</i></p><p>They already have a fully explored and approved plan. Hell, it's already been explored for a decade. The problem is groups throwing hissyfit at the last minute, which is exactly what's happening in this case.</p><p><i>In the case of MS, there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520' went away.</i></p><p>Wow, so you spent 3 minutes on Google Earth, great.</p><p>Now actually get in your car and try driving on I-90 during rush hour. (I-90 being the other bridge you're referring to.) *Both* bridges are needed, and *both* bridges are congested beyond belief already. There's no way that I-90 could take the load of 520 traffic without bringing the entire region to a standstill.</p><p><i>Sure it would be a hassle, but not the end of the world. I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.</i></p><p>We're not talking about a 5-minute detour, we're talking about rerouting tens of thousands of cars either onto an already above-capacity bridge, or a hours-long detour over roads not designed to take the excess traffic.</p><p><i>Second, I wonder why MS did not enumerate the other people that are dependent on the bridge. For instance, why didn't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons. Is it because only MS needs this bridge?</i></p><p>Microsoft placed the ad because its in their own interest to do so. I'm sorry you disagree with their wording, but, well, they paid for it-- sorry they didn't ask you to approve the copy first!</p><p>In any case, the target of the ad (people who live in the Seattle area) already know how much traffic is on the 520 bridge. We're not zooming in on Google Earth, we're living it.</p><p><i>I am not saying that MS should pay for the bridge, but if the taxpayers are paying for a bridge to MS specification, then it seems a lot like the recent wall street bailout.</i></p><p>Microsoft's trying to get the goddamned government to break ground on the bridge. It's not designed to "their specifications" anymore than anybody else's. They're trying to stop the incessant delays, save taxpayer dollars, and mitigate the safety concerns of an overtaxed floating bridge whose replacement is a decade late already!</p><p>In any case, it's undoubtedly illegal for Microsoft to build their own bridge and attempt to hook it into the public highway system. I don't know why you'd even suggest that possibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are absolutely correct , one can not comment unless one has traveled the mile in the local shoes .
However , two things stand out .
First , even the imminent collapse of a bridge does not mean that taxpayer , perhaps federal , can forfeit their right to due diligence .
Taxpayers deserve a fully explored plan .
If that means studies and whatnot delay it , then so be it.They already have a fully explored and approved plan .
Hell , it 's already been explored for a decade .
The problem is groups throwing hissyfit at the last minute , which is exactly what 's happening in this case.In the case of MS , there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520 ' went away.Wow , so you spent 3 minutes on Google Earth , great.Now actually get in your car and try driving on I-90 during rush hour .
( I-90 being the other bridge you 're referring to .
) * Both * bridges are needed , and * both * bridges are congested beyond belief already .
There 's no way that I-90 could take the load of 520 traffic without bringing the entire region to a standstill.Sure it would be a hassle , but not the end of the world .
I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.We 're not talking about a 5-minute detour , we 're talking about rerouting tens of thousands of cars either onto an already above-capacity bridge , or a hours-long detour over roads not designed to take the excess traffic.Second , I wonder why MS did not enumerate the other people that are dependent on the bridge .
For instance , why did n't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons .
Is it because only MS needs this bridge ? Microsoft placed the ad because its in their own interest to do so .
I 'm sorry you disagree with their wording , but , well , they paid for it-- sorry they did n't ask you to approve the copy first ! In any case , the target of the ad ( people who live in the Seattle area ) already know how much traffic is on the 520 bridge .
We 're not zooming in on Google Earth , we 're living it.I am not saying that MS should pay for the bridge , but if the taxpayers are paying for a bridge to MS specification , then it seems a lot like the recent wall street bailout.Microsoft 's trying to get the goddamned government to break ground on the bridge .
It 's not designed to " their specifications " anymore than anybody else 's .
They 're trying to stop the incessant delays , save taxpayer dollars , and mitigate the safety concerns of an overtaxed floating bridge whose replacement is a decade late already ! In any case , it 's undoubtedly illegal for Microsoft to build their own bridge and attempt to hook it into the public highway system .
I do n't know why you 'd even suggest that possibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are absolutely correct, one cannot comment unless one has traveled the mile in the local shoes.
However, two things stand out.
First, even the imminent collapse of a bridge does not mean that taxpayer, perhaps federal, can forfeit their right to due diligence.
Taxpayers deserve a fully explored plan.
If that means studies and whatnot delay it, then so be it.They already have a fully explored and approved plan.
Hell, it's already been explored for a decade.
The problem is groups throwing hissyfit at the last minute, which is exactly what's happening in this case.In the case of MS, there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520' went away.Wow, so you spent 3 minutes on Google Earth, great.Now actually get in your car and try driving on I-90 during rush hour.
(I-90 being the other bridge you're referring to.
) *Both* bridges are needed, and *both* bridges are congested beyond belief already.
There's no way that I-90 could take the load of 520 traffic without bringing the entire region to a standstill.Sure it would be a hassle, but not the end of the world.
I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.We're not talking about a 5-minute detour, we're talking about rerouting tens of thousands of cars either onto an already above-capacity bridge, or a hours-long detour over roads not designed to take the excess traffic.Second, I wonder why MS did not enumerate the other people that are dependent on the bridge.
For instance, why didn't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons.
Is it because only MS needs this bridge?Microsoft placed the ad because its in their own interest to do so.
I'm sorry you disagree with their wording, but, well, they paid for it-- sorry they didn't ask you to approve the copy first!In any case, the target of the ad (people who live in the Seattle area) already know how much traffic is on the 520 bridge.
We're not zooming in on Google Earth, we're living it.I am not saying that MS should pay for the bridge, but if the taxpayers are paying for a bridge to MS specification, then it seems a lot like the recent wall street bailout.Microsoft's trying to get the goddamned government to break ground on the bridge.
It's not designed to "their specifications" anymore than anybody else's.
They're trying to stop the incessant delays, save taxpayer dollars, and mitigate the safety concerns of an overtaxed floating bridge whose replacement is a decade late already!In any case, it's undoubtedly illegal for Microsoft to build their own bridge and attempt to hook it into the public highway system.
I don't know why you'd even suggest that possibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251616</id>
	<title>Re:Population Reduction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266924060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I might say the same about people who continue to bring more than 3 consumers into a world that can't support them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I might say the same about people who continue to bring more than 3 consumers into a world that ca n't support them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might say the same about people who continue to bring more than 3 consumers into a world that can't support them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251424</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254782</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266940800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spoken like someone who truly didn't RTFA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spoken like someone who truly did n't RTFA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spoken like someone who truly didn't RTFA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251334</id>
	<title>Terrible Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:<br><i>While there are still some final design issues that need to be resolved with the City of Seattle, we should not let last-minute objections undermine the hard-won agreements already in place for the rest of the project. Doing so would cause yet more delay, increase the cost to taxpayers, and put this vital transportation and economic corridor at risk. The current bridge is 47 years old, and state engineers warn that it could sink in a major storm or earthquake.</i></p><p>So its not like Microsoft is against it because they love to emit Carbon Dioxide. In fact, closing the bridge for construction will cause people to go around, emitting more CO2.</p><p>Microsoft is mostly against it because it highly affects their employees in a negative way. It means more lates, or more inconvenience. Will the CO2 offset from more buses balance out the increased amount created during its upgrade? Who knows.</p><p>Bill's Ted talk was actually great. He promoted the design and development of the new Nuclear reactors that burn the 99\% of uranium - essentially the old toxic waste that we have sitting around. Yeah, everyone was afraid of nuclear technology partly because of the waste produced, and with modern super computers we've simulated that we can actually burn the waste produced by regular nuclear reactors. We just need to jump on it. Bill Gates goes through how Solar power and Geo power are great alternatives but they aren't as solid, as such they will only work towards extending our deadline to meet the Carbon 0 goal.</p><p>These two events, the Ad and the Ted talk, are totally exclusive and neither are really about the other, and this isn't them butting heads. Bill Gates goes on about how the entire world needs to come together on a new project. This is one company against adding bus lanes to a bridge. Whoever lumped those two together didn't really look at the big picture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : While there are still some final design issues that need to be resolved with the City of Seattle , we should not let last-minute objections undermine the hard-won agreements already in place for the rest of the project .
Doing so would cause yet more delay , increase the cost to taxpayers , and put this vital transportation and economic corridor at risk .
The current bridge is 47 years old , and state engineers warn that it could sink in a major storm or earthquake.So its not like Microsoft is against it because they love to emit Carbon Dioxide .
In fact , closing the bridge for construction will cause people to go around , emitting more CO2.Microsoft is mostly against it because it highly affects their employees in a negative way .
It means more lates , or more inconvenience .
Will the CO2 offset from more buses balance out the increased amount created during its upgrade ?
Who knows.Bill 's Ted talk was actually great .
He promoted the design and development of the new Nuclear reactors that burn the 99 \ % of uranium - essentially the old toxic waste that we have sitting around .
Yeah , everyone was afraid of nuclear technology partly because of the waste produced , and with modern super computers we 've simulated that we can actually burn the waste produced by regular nuclear reactors .
We just need to jump on it .
Bill Gates goes through how Solar power and Geo power are great alternatives but they are n't as solid , as such they will only work towards extending our deadline to meet the Carbon 0 goal.These two events , the Ad and the Ted talk , are totally exclusive and neither are really about the other , and this is n't them butting heads .
Bill Gates goes on about how the entire world needs to come together on a new project .
This is one company against adding bus lanes to a bridge .
Whoever lumped those two together did n't really look at the big picture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:While there are still some final design issues that need to be resolved with the City of Seattle, we should not let last-minute objections undermine the hard-won agreements already in place for the rest of the project.
Doing so would cause yet more delay, increase the cost to taxpayers, and put this vital transportation and economic corridor at risk.
The current bridge is 47 years old, and state engineers warn that it could sink in a major storm or earthquake.So its not like Microsoft is against it because they love to emit Carbon Dioxide.
In fact, closing the bridge for construction will cause people to go around, emitting more CO2.Microsoft is mostly against it because it highly affects their employees in a negative way.
It means more lates, or more inconvenience.
Will the CO2 offset from more buses balance out the increased amount created during its upgrade?
Who knows.Bill's Ted talk was actually great.
He promoted the design and development of the new Nuclear reactors that burn the 99\% of uranium - essentially the old toxic waste that we have sitting around.
Yeah, everyone was afraid of nuclear technology partly because of the waste produced, and with modern super computers we've simulated that we can actually burn the waste produced by regular nuclear reactors.
We just need to jump on it.
Bill Gates goes through how Solar power and Geo power are great alternatives but they aren't as solid, as such they will only work towards extending our deadline to meet the Carbon 0 goal.These two events, the Ad and the Ted talk, are totally exclusive and neither are really about the other, and this isn't them butting heads.
Bill Gates goes on about how the entire world needs to come together on a new project.
This is one company against adding bus lanes to a bridge.
Whoever lumped those two together didn't really look at the big picture.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31256470</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Main route for 5,000 employees.  At $4Billion, the bridge only costs $800,000 per employee.  I say go for it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Main route for 5,000 employees .
At $ 4Billion , the bridge only costs $ 800,000 per employee .
I say go for it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Main route for 5,000 employees.
At $4Billion, the bridge only costs $800,000 per employee.
I say go for it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251960</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1266925380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without reading anything...this sounds like trolling.</p></div><p>Accusing somebody of trolling without taking 5 seconds to check their assertions &mdash; that's <i>definitely</i> trolling.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without reading anything...this sounds like trolling.Accusing somebody of trolling without taking 5 seconds to check their assertions    that 's definitely trolling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without reading anything...this sounds like trolling.Accusing somebody of trolling without taking 5 seconds to check their assertions — that's definitely trolling.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251714</id>
	<title>How do you mark this whole story as troll?</title>
	<author>dreadlord76</author>
	<datestamp>1266924420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft is not opposing transit.  Microsoft runs a whole fleet of buses to reduce the number of cars on the road.  As many comments indicate, this is about a bridge that desperately needs replacing.

As someone who think Seattle is in another dimension, I wonder what Ravenna housing prices would do  if 520 fails, and those Microsoft commuters move to Redmond so they can get to work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is not opposing transit .
Microsoft runs a whole fleet of buses to reduce the number of cars on the road .
As many comments indicate , this is about a bridge that desperately needs replacing .
As someone who think Seattle is in another dimension , I wonder what Ravenna housing prices would do if 520 fails , and those Microsoft commuters move to Redmond so they can get to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is not opposing transit.
Microsoft runs a whole fleet of buses to reduce the number of cars on the road.
As many comments indicate, this is about a bridge that desperately needs replacing.
As someone who think Seattle is in another dimension, I wonder what Ravenna housing prices would do  if 520 fails, and those Microsoft commuters move to Redmond so they can get to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253568</id>
	<title>Something needs to be done</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266933060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Long time slashdot reader and usually don't post, but I feel a strong need to post regarding to this.</p><p>I live on the eastside and have to commute to and from Seattle arcoss the 520 bridge every day. The bridge sucks, to say the least. Traffic is horrid. It's out of date. Something new needs to be done, and it needs to be done \_now\_. The project keeps getting delayed and delayed and this is bad for Microsoft as well as bad for everyone who lives in the greater Seattle area. I'm a linux die-hard and hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but this article really is just spin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Long time slashdot reader and usually do n't post , but I feel a strong need to post regarding to this.I live on the eastside and have to commute to and from Seattle arcoss the 520 bridge every day .
The bridge sucks , to say the least .
Traffic is horrid .
It 's out of date .
Something new needs to be done , and it needs to be done \ _now \ _ .
The project keeps getting delayed and delayed and this is bad for Microsoft as well as bad for everyone who lives in the greater Seattle area .
I 'm a linux die-hard and hate Microsoft as much as the next guy , but this article really is just spin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Long time slashdot reader and usually don't post, but I feel a strong need to post regarding to this.I live on the eastside and have to commute to and from Seattle arcoss the 520 bridge every day.
The bridge sucks, to say the least.
Traffic is horrid.
It's out of date.
Something new needs to be done, and it needs to be done \_now\_.
The project keeps getting delayed and delayed and this is bad for Microsoft as well as bad for everyone who lives in the greater Seattle area.
I'm a linux die-hard and hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but this article really is just spin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251484</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1266923520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That would be the end of life as we know it. Quite literally, as a matter of fact, since we're all made of carbon.</p></div><p>Bah.  I'm nitrogen-based, so the only thing I'll need to worry about is head shoulders shampoo.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be the end of life as we know it .
Quite literally , as a matter of fact , since we 're all made of carbon.Bah .
I 'm nitrogen-based , so the only thing I 'll need to worry about is head shoulders shampoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be the end of life as we know it.
Quite literally, as a matter of fact, since we're all made of carbon.Bah.
I'm nitrogen-based, so the only thing I'll need to worry about is head shoulders shampoo.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253872</id>
	<title>Shame on Microsoft! Kill! Kill!</title>
	<author>mano.m</author>
	<datestamp>1266934740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For insisting a 47-year old bridge be repaired to remain usable and safe, and for contradicting their chairman's personal opinions about the planet in a business decision about a single bridge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For insisting a 47-year old bridge be repaired to remain usable and safe , and for contradicting their chairman 's personal opinions about the planet in a business decision about a single bridge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For insisting a 47-year old bridge be repaired to remain usable and safe, and for contradicting their chairman's personal opinions about the planet in a business decision about a single bridge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251936</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>bmk67</author>
	<datestamp>1266925320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These redesigns have been decades in making, while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.</p></div><p>Indeed.  The SR-520 bridge is a floating bridge and is nearly 50 years old.  It carries far more traffic than it was designed to carry, and in any case, is nearing the end of it's design life.</p><p>To put things in perspective, the Hood Canal Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hood\_Canal\_Bridge) is of similar age, design, construction, and span.  The Hood Canal bridge suffered a catastrophic failure during a windstorm in 1979.  It was rebuilt and reopened in 1982.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These redesigns have been decades in making , while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.Indeed .
The SR-520 bridge is a floating bridge and is nearly 50 years old .
It carries far more traffic than it was designed to carry , and in any case , is nearing the end of it 's design life.To put things in perspective , the Hood Canal Bridge ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hood \ _Canal \ _Bridge ) is of similar age , design , construction , and span .
The Hood Canal bridge suffered a catastrophic failure during a windstorm in 1979 .
It was rebuilt and reopened in 1982 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These redesigns have been decades in making, while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.Indeed.
The SR-520 bridge is a floating bridge and is nearly 50 years old.
It carries far more traffic than it was designed to carry, and in any case, is nearing the end of it's design life.To put things in perspective, the Hood Canal Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hood\_Canal\_Bridge) is of similar age, design, construction, and span.
The Hood Canal bridge suffered a catastrophic failure during a windstorm in 1979.
It was rebuilt and reopened in 1982.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252000</id>
	<title>Re:Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>ShadowRangerRIT</author>
	<datestamp>1266925560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>RTFA: They are opposing a *delay* in replacing the existing bridge (four lanes, two each way, none HOV, liable to be destroyed in the next major earthquake) with a new bridge (six lanes, two of which are HOV, with earthquake resistant construction). Note that the new bridge is primarily useful to carpoolers and buses, not to people commuting by themselves (and it's HOV-3, which is a decent bar, HOV-2 is way too lenient). It may not be perfect, but it does encourage carpooling and mass transit, both of which are environmentally friendly. The perfect is the enemy of the good; it's taken over a decade to even get agreement on this bridge, and if they scrapped the existing plans to "try and make it even better" it would never get built (at least, not until "the big one" destroys the existing bridge).</htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA : They are opposing a * delay * in replacing the existing bridge ( four lanes , two each way , none HOV , liable to be destroyed in the next major earthquake ) with a new bridge ( six lanes , two of which are HOV , with earthquake resistant construction ) .
Note that the new bridge is primarily useful to carpoolers and buses , not to people commuting by themselves ( and it 's HOV-3 , which is a decent bar , HOV-2 is way too lenient ) .
It may not be perfect , but it does encourage carpooling and mass transit , both of which are environmentally friendly .
The perfect is the enemy of the good ; it 's taken over a decade to even get agreement on this bridge , and if they scrapped the existing plans to " try and make it even better " it would never get built ( at least , not until " the big one " destroys the existing bridge ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA: They are opposing a *delay* in replacing the existing bridge (four lanes, two each way, none HOV, liable to be destroyed in the next major earthquake) with a new bridge (six lanes, two of which are HOV, with earthquake resistant construction).
Note that the new bridge is primarily useful to carpoolers and buses, not to people commuting by themselves (and it's HOV-3, which is a decent bar, HOV-2 is way too lenient).
It may not be perfect, but it does encourage carpooling and mass transit, both of which are environmentally friendly.
The perfect is the enemy of the good; it's taken over a decade to even get agreement on this bridge, and if they scrapped the existing plans to "try and make it even better" it would never get built (at least, not until "the big one" destroys the existing bridge).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251466</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252380</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266927480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Namely the fact that it will cost $4b to add a single lane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Namely the fact that it will cost $ 4b to add a single lane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Namely the fact that it will cost $4b to add a single lane.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31256086</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>anshumani</author>
	<datestamp>1266952200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you also evolving at breakneck speed??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you also evolving at breakneck speed ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you also evolving at breakneck speed?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251484</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251340</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1266922980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are hereby awarded 1 "I was retardedly obtuse on the internets on purpose" merit badge.</p><p>Congratulations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are hereby awarded 1 " I was retardedly obtuse on the internets on purpose " merit badge.Congratulations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are hereby awarded 1 "I was retardedly obtuse on the internets on purpose" merit badge.Congratulations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251240</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252134</id>
	<title>Re:Terrible Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1266926280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've known about breeder reactors for a while, just to point out. You know how nuclear energy was supposed to make electricity too cheap to meter? Replacing all our coal with breeder reactors would likely make that the case - according to wikipedia normal reactors use about 1\% of the energy, and breeder reactors can use almost all of the rest. That coupled with the fact that they can use cheaper fuel - thorium instead of uranium - and it looks like the way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've known about breeder reactors for a while , just to point out .
You know how nuclear energy was supposed to make electricity too cheap to meter ?
Replacing all our coal with breeder reactors would likely make that the case - according to wikipedia normal reactors use about 1 \ % of the energy , and breeder reactors can use almost all of the rest .
That coupled with the fact that they can use cheaper fuel - thorium instead of uranium - and it looks like the way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've known about breeder reactors for a while, just to point out.
You know how nuclear energy was supposed to make electricity too cheap to meter?
Replacing all our coal with breeder reactors would likely make that the case - according to wikipedia normal reactors use about 1\% of the energy, and breeder reactors can use almost all of the rest.
That coupled with the fact that they can use cheaper fuel - thorium instead of uranium - and it looks like the way to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252052</id>
	<title>Re:Terrible Title &amp; Summary</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1266925860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>These two events, the Ad and the Ted talk, are totally exclusive and neither are really about the other, and this isn't them butting heads. Bill Gates goes on about how the entire world needs to come together on a new project. This is one company against adding bus lanes to a bridge. Whoever lumped those two together didn't really look at the big picture.</i></p><p>Nope, they manufactured a controversy to get more page views.  You at least clicked through to the slashdot discussion, and probably the article itself.   Sounds like they did their job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These two events , the Ad and the Ted talk , are totally exclusive and neither are really about the other , and this is n't them butting heads .
Bill Gates goes on about how the entire world needs to come together on a new project .
This is one company against adding bus lanes to a bridge .
Whoever lumped those two together did n't really look at the big picture.Nope , they manufactured a controversy to get more page views .
You at least clicked through to the slashdot discussion , and probably the article itself .
Sounds like they did their job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These two events, the Ad and the Ted talk, are totally exclusive and neither are really about the other, and this isn't them butting heads.
Bill Gates goes on about how the entire world needs to come together on a new project.
This is one company against adding bus lanes to a bridge.
Whoever lumped those two together didn't really look at the big picture.Nope, they manufactured a controversy to get more page views.
You at least clicked through to the slashdot discussion, and probably the article itself.
Sounds like they did their job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257508</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Eunuchswear</author>
	<datestamp>1265111520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If we'd gone nuclear since the 70s, we'd have met every CO2 target out there today, and we wouldn't be having all this annoying debate.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Whadaya mean <i>if</i> we <b>did</b> go nuclear since the 70s.</p><p>Or maybe your not posting from France.</p><p>(Written on a nuclear powered metro train).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we 'd gone nuclear since the 70s , we 'd have met every CO2 target out there today , and we would n't be having all this annoying debate .
Whadaya mean if we did go nuclear since the 70s.Or maybe your not posting from France .
( Written on a nuclear powered metro train ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we'd gone nuclear since the 70s, we'd have met every CO2 target out there today, and we wouldn't be having all this annoying debate.
Whadaya mean if we did go nuclear since the 70s.Or maybe your not posting from France.
(Written on a nuclear powered metro train).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254774</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266940680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never mind they're only doing so because they're playing catch-up to the power usage that comes more or less standard on most Linux distributions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never mind they 're only doing so because they 're playing catch-up to the power usage that comes more or less standard on most Linux distributions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never mind they're only doing so because they're playing catch-up to the power usage that comes more or less standard on most Linux distributions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251648</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266924180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen to this. This bridge is gridlocked from 3pm to 8pm everyday--if you're lucky. It can take 1-2 hours to travel the 5 miles from Redmond to Seattle, and that's not counting the traffic you have to deal with once you get on I5. If you had to commute this corridor everyday, you'd understand Microsoft's stance on getting the replacement started now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen to this .
This bridge is gridlocked from 3pm to 8pm everyday--if you 're lucky .
It can take 1-2 hours to travel the 5 miles from Redmond to Seattle , and that 's not counting the traffic you have to deal with once you get on I5 .
If you had to commute this corridor everyday , you 'd understand Microsoft 's stance on getting the replacement started now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen to this.
This bridge is gridlocked from 3pm to 8pm everyday--if you're lucky.
It can take 1-2 hours to travel the 5 miles from Redmond to Seattle, and that's not counting the traffic you have to deal with once you get on I5.
If you had to commute this corridor everyday, you'd understand Microsoft's stance on getting the replacement started now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254832</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266941100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In which case, delaying the bridge to come up with a design that gives high-capacity transit a higher priority is a good idea.  How do you think your neighbors to the south in Portland get by with no cross-town freeways, and only five (with two of them being quite short) in the entire metro area?  They don't do it by flushing away shitloads of real-estate on expanding parking lots and freeways!</htmltext>
<tokenext>In which case , delaying the bridge to come up with a design that gives high-capacity transit a higher priority is a good idea .
How do you think your neighbors to the south in Portland get by with no cross-town freeways , and only five ( with two of them being quite short ) in the entire metro area ?
They do n't do it by flushing away shitloads of real-estate on expanding parking lots and freeways !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In which case, delaying the bridge to come up with a design that gives high-capacity transit a higher priority is a good idea.
How do you think your neighbors to the south in Portland get by with no cross-town freeways, and only five (with two of them being quite short) in the entire metro area?
They don't do it by flushing away shitloads of real-estate on expanding parking lots and freeways!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251902</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>ShadowRangerRIT</author>
	<datestamp>1266925140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, they're not directly opposing mass transit. They're opposing efforts to delay the expansion of the existing (car only) bridge because the expansion has been needed (light rail or no) for a long time (a decade or so), and now that they've finally got an agreement worked out, they don't want to go back to the drawing board.</p><p>I don't know the details of the current bridge plans, but when I worked out there, it was patently obvious the bridge needed expansion. The highway leading up to it on the eastern side (the MS side) was three lanes each way, one of which was an HOV-3 lane. Problem was, when you hit the bridge, it narrowed to two lanes, eliminating the HOV lane. Which meant all the HOV travelers had to merge back in, and the merging itself created massive traffic jams. The HOV lane was only really useful at the edges of rush hour; in the middle of rush hour it would back up almost as badly as the non-HOV lanes (and keep in mind, buses were using it to, so mass transit wasn't a workaround). If they could just expand the bridge by one lane each way, and make the extra lane HOV-3, carpooling would make a lot more sense, as would riding the bus, and even people in the non-HOV lanes would benefit a bit (since the last second merging wouldn't exacerbate otherwise minor traffic jams).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they 're not directly opposing mass transit .
They 're opposing efforts to delay the expansion of the existing ( car only ) bridge because the expansion has been needed ( light rail or no ) for a long time ( a decade or so ) , and now that they 've finally got an agreement worked out , they do n't want to go back to the drawing board.I do n't know the details of the current bridge plans , but when I worked out there , it was patently obvious the bridge needed expansion .
The highway leading up to it on the eastern side ( the MS side ) was three lanes each way , one of which was an HOV-3 lane .
Problem was , when you hit the bridge , it narrowed to two lanes , eliminating the HOV lane .
Which meant all the HOV travelers had to merge back in , and the merging itself created massive traffic jams .
The HOV lane was only really useful at the edges of rush hour ; in the middle of rush hour it would back up almost as badly as the non-HOV lanes ( and keep in mind , buses were using it to , so mass transit was n't a workaround ) .
If they could just expand the bridge by one lane each way , and make the extra lane HOV-3 , carpooling would make a lot more sense , as would riding the bus , and even people in the non-HOV lanes would benefit a bit ( since the last second merging would n't exacerbate otherwise minor traffic jams ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they're not directly opposing mass transit.
They're opposing efforts to delay the expansion of the existing (car only) bridge because the expansion has been needed (light rail or no) for a long time (a decade or so), and now that they've finally got an agreement worked out, they don't want to go back to the drawing board.I don't know the details of the current bridge plans, but when I worked out there, it was patently obvious the bridge needed expansion.
The highway leading up to it on the eastern side (the MS side) was three lanes each way, one of which was an HOV-3 lane.
Problem was, when you hit the bridge, it narrowed to two lanes, eliminating the HOV lane.
Which meant all the HOV travelers had to merge back in, and the merging itself created massive traffic jams.
The HOV lane was only really useful at the edges of rush hour; in the middle of rush hour it would back up almost as badly as the non-HOV lanes (and keep in mind, buses were using it to, so mass transit wasn't a workaround).
If they could just expand the bridge by one lane each way, and make the extra lane HOV-3, carpooling would make a lot more sense, as would riding the bus, and even people in the non-HOV lanes would benefit a bit (since the last second merging wouldn't exacerbate otherwise minor traffic jams).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251508</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>e2d2</author>
	<datestamp>1266923640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The irony is they took out the advertisement to oppose <b>delays</b> on replacing the existing bridge, and in turn doing so they are "against" another proposal that would add more mass transit.</p><p>From TFA, the statement made by MS in their full page ad:<br><i>While there are still some final design issues that need to be resolved with the City of Seattle, we should not let last-minute objections undermine the hard-won agreements already in place for the rest of the project. Doing so would cause yet more delay, increase the cost to taxpayers, and put this vital transportation and economic corridor at risk. The current bridge is 47 years old, and state engineers warn that it could sink in a major storm or earthquake.</i></p><p>So basically they want it finished now, not sitting in government limbo like so many other infrastructure improvements do.</p><p>I'd also like to point out the obvious: Bill Gates is not Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The irony is they took out the advertisement to oppose delays on replacing the existing bridge , and in turn doing so they are " against " another proposal that would add more mass transit.From TFA , the statement made by MS in their full page ad : While there are still some final design issues that need to be resolved with the City of Seattle , we should not let last-minute objections undermine the hard-won agreements already in place for the rest of the project .
Doing so would cause yet more delay , increase the cost to taxpayers , and put this vital transportation and economic corridor at risk .
The current bridge is 47 years old , and state engineers warn that it could sink in a major storm or earthquake.So basically they want it finished now , not sitting in government limbo like so many other infrastructure improvements do.I 'd also like to point out the obvious : Bill Gates is not Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The irony is they took out the advertisement to oppose delays on replacing the existing bridge, and in turn doing so they are "against" another proposal that would add more mass transit.From TFA, the statement made by MS in their full page ad:While there are still some final design issues that need to be resolved with the City of Seattle, we should not let last-minute objections undermine the hard-won agreements already in place for the rest of the project.
Doing so would cause yet more delay, increase the cost to taxpayers, and put this vital transportation and economic corridor at risk.
The current bridge is 47 years old, and state engineers warn that it could sink in a major storm or earthquake.So basically they want it finished now, not sitting in government limbo like so many other infrastructure improvements do.I'd also like to point out the obvious: Bill Gates is not Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252352</id>
	<title>It's only a matter of time</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1266927300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>These redesigns have been decades in making, while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.</p></div></blockquote><p>Indeed.  Washington State has three major floating bridges (I90 and SR520 on Lake Washington, and SR104 on the Hood Canal*), the 520 bridge is the only one that hasn't done 'submarine duty' because of storms.**  The Hood Canal bridge lost it's western half in a 1979 windstorm, and the I90 bridge lost a chunk out of the middle due to human error and heavy storms in 1990.</p><p>And the 520 bridge is <i>old</i>, worn out, and underdesigned.</p><p>* Incidentally, they're also the three largest floating bridges in the world.</p><p>** We get some evil windstorms around these parts.</p></div>
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<tokenext>These redesigns have been decades in making , while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.Indeed .
Washington State has three major floating bridges ( I90 and SR520 on Lake Washington , and SR104 on the Hood Canal * ) , the 520 bridge is the only one that has n't done 'submarine duty ' because of storms .
* * The Hood Canal bridge lost it 's western half in a 1979 windstorm , and the I90 bridge lost a chunk out of the middle due to human error and heavy storms in 1990.And the 520 bridge is old , worn out , and underdesigned .
* Incidentally , they 're also the three largest floating bridges in the world .
* * We get some evil windstorms around these parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These redesigns have been decades in making, while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.Indeed.
Washington State has three major floating bridges (I90 and SR520 on Lake Washington, and SR104 on the Hood Canal*), the 520 bridge is the only one that hasn't done 'submarine duty' because of storms.
**  The Hood Canal bridge lost it's western half in a 1979 windstorm, and the I90 bridge lost a chunk out of the middle due to human error and heavy storms in 1990.And the 520 bridge is old, worn out, and underdesigned.
* Incidentally, they're also the three largest floating bridges in the world.
** We get some evil windstorms around these parts.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253332</id>
	<title>How is adding rail a sound environmental decision?</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1266931980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Combining rail with road traffic on a new bridge is about as sound an environmental decision as combining heavy-lift capabilities with manned flight with satellite retrieval was a sound economic decision for the space shuttle.  Or buying a combo TV/VCR would've been in 2001.  There might be some cases that make sense, but you add structural and maintenance design constraints to both projects that increase the overall cost, and energy cost.</p><p>Unless you have a space constraint on either landing preventing a two-bridge solution, it's probably better to keep them separate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Combining rail with road traffic on a new bridge is about as sound an environmental decision as combining heavy-lift capabilities with manned flight with satellite retrieval was a sound economic decision for the space shuttle .
Or buying a combo TV/VCR would 've been in 2001 .
There might be some cases that make sense , but you add structural and maintenance design constraints to both projects that increase the overall cost , and energy cost.Unless you have a space constraint on either landing preventing a two-bridge solution , it 's probably better to keep them separate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Combining rail with road traffic on a new bridge is about as sound an environmental decision as combining heavy-lift capabilities with manned flight with satellite retrieval was a sound economic decision for the space shuttle.
Or buying a combo TV/VCR would've been in 2001.
There might be some cases that make sense, but you add structural and maintenance design constraints to both projects that increase the overall cost, and energy cost.Unless you have a space constraint on either landing preventing a two-bridge solution, it's probably better to keep them separate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257168</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265107560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two (one each way) lanes for general car use - no wonder they don't want it.</p></div><p>which is a great theory if that were true<br>given the current proposal includes "six lanes <strong>total</strong>, with two lanes for high-occupancy vehicles and buses".<br>which translated mean 2 lanes for general car-use</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two ( one each way ) lanes for general car use - no wonder they do n't want it.which is a great theory if that were truegiven the current proposal includes " six lanes total , with two lanes for high-occupancy vehicles and buses " .which translated mean 2 lanes for general car-use</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tha alternative plan MS is arguing against has only two (one each way) lanes for general car use - no wonder they don't want it.which is a great theory if that were truegiven the current proposal includes "six lanes total, with two lanes for high-occupancy vehicles and buses".which translated mean 2 lanes for general car-use
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252174</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>ashridah</author>
	<datestamp>1266926460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's be 100\% clear about this. I take that bridge to work every day.</p><p>It is one of the worst, most overly congested bridges I've ever seen. It's congested all day every day except sunday and between about 9pm -&gt; 6am, generally speaking, and right now, it seems like getting a new bridge in sooner would do more to alleviate carbon production than waiting for extra PT could ever hope to achieve in any kind of useful timeframe.</p><p>Simply put, when taking the bridge, I spend up to an hour, for what should be a 15-20 minute trip. That's around 30 minutes of extra idle time in my car, which could easily be saved. We also already have functioning public and private bus systems across the bridge, and that's not going to go away.</p><p>Additionally, this is a company that went out and bought a bunch of coaches to setup their own private transit system so that even more employees could leave their cars at home in places where there was no effective PT to campus. I hardly think this is an example of Microsoft not caring about the environment or carbon emissions. We've also been working hard to consolidate and reduce the amount of computer lab space we're using, reducing energy costs, setting more machines to sleep at night<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,etc.</p><p>This article is a complete hatchet job designed to just paint Microsoft in the worst possible light. I'm not surprised that kdawson posted it in the slightest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's be 100 \ % clear about this .
I take that bridge to work every day.It is one of the worst , most overly congested bridges I 've ever seen .
It 's congested all day every day except sunday and between about 9pm - &gt; 6am , generally speaking , and right now , it seems like getting a new bridge in sooner would do more to alleviate carbon production than waiting for extra PT could ever hope to achieve in any kind of useful timeframe.Simply put , when taking the bridge , I spend up to an hour , for what should be a 15-20 minute trip .
That 's around 30 minutes of extra idle time in my car , which could easily be saved .
We also already have functioning public and private bus systems across the bridge , and that 's not going to go away.Additionally , this is a company that went out and bought a bunch of coaches to setup their own private transit system so that even more employees could leave their cars at home in places where there was no effective PT to campus .
I hardly think this is an example of Microsoft not caring about the environment or carbon emissions .
We 've also been working hard to consolidate and reduce the amount of computer lab space we 're using , reducing energy costs , setting more machines to sleep at night ,etc.This article is a complete hatchet job designed to just paint Microsoft in the worst possible light .
I 'm not surprised that kdawson posted it in the slightest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's be 100\% clear about this.
I take that bridge to work every day.It is one of the worst, most overly congested bridges I've ever seen.
It's congested all day every day except sunday and between about 9pm -&gt; 6am, generally speaking, and right now, it seems like getting a new bridge in sooner would do more to alleviate carbon production than waiting for extra PT could ever hope to achieve in any kind of useful timeframe.Simply put, when taking the bridge, I spend up to an hour, for what should be a 15-20 minute trip.
That's around 30 minutes of extra idle time in my car, which could easily be saved.
We also already have functioning public and private bus systems across the bridge, and that's not going to go away.Additionally, this is a company that went out and bought a bunch of coaches to setup their own private transit system so that even more employees could leave their cars at home in places where there was no effective PT to campus.
I hardly think this is an example of Microsoft not caring about the environment or carbon emissions.
We've also been working hard to consolidate and reduce the amount of computer lab space we're using, reducing energy costs, setting more machines to sleep at night ,etc.This article is a complete hatchet job designed to just paint Microsoft in the worst possible light.
I'm not surprised that kdawson posted it in the slightest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31262562</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265139660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, why not build a second bridge?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , why not build a second bridge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, why not build a second bridge?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253508</id>
	<title>FTFA: MS campaigning against DELAYING</title>
	<author>lordsid</author>
	<datestamp>1266932760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow talk about anti-microsoft spin. They are campaigning against delaying the rebuilding process.</p><p>That's what you get for reading the fucking article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow talk about anti-microsoft spin .
They are campaigning against delaying the rebuilding process.That 's what you get for reading the fucking article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow talk about anti-microsoft spin.
They are campaigning against delaying the rebuilding process.That's what you get for reading the fucking article.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253268</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>mikelieman</author>
	<datestamp>1266931620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Space Based Solar/Beamed Microwave.   Nukes are only worthwhile until we have the constellation of satellites built.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Space Based Solar/Beamed Microwave .
Nukes are only worthwhile until we have the constellation of satellites built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Space Based Solar/Beamed Microwave.
Nukes are only worthwhile until we have the constellation of satellites built.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251132</id>
	<title>fp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>suck my huge cock</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>suck my huge cock</tokentext>
<sentencetext>suck my huge cock</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253520</id>
	<title>The complete situation</title>
	<author>steveha</author>
	<datestamp>1266932820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary is unbelievably slanted; whoever tagged this story "troll" was correct.  Here is the complete situation; judge for yourself.</p><p>Lake Washington is a tall, skinny lake that's rather deep in the middle.  It takes a while to drive around it; if you bicycle around the circumference of the lake, it's about 50 miles total.</p><p>On the west side of the lake, you have a tall, skinny city: Seattle.  The biggest city in the state, lots of people live there.</p><p>On the east side of the lake, you have a tall, skinny populated area.  But it isn't just one city; it's Bothell, Woodinville, Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, Renton, and a few small ones.  Collectively these are known as "the Eastside".</p><p>Because Lake Washington is so deep, an ordinary bridge is impractical.  That is why the three longest floating bridges in the world are on Lake Washington: the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge (I tend to slip and call it the "floating point bridge") is the one with highway 520, and it is the longest single floating bridge in the world.  (The other two are used for I-90 a couple of miles to the south of 520.)  By the way, I suspect that one of the reasons we have the longest floating bridges is the fact that the Chittenden Locks in Seattle allow for some control over the water level of Lake Washington; if we have torrential rain, engineers can just open the locks and let the waters drain out of the lake system and lower the water level again to the safe zone for the floating bridges.</p><p>When the 520 bridge was first built, all the action was in Seattle.  Not that many people lived on the Eastside, and not that many Seattle people needed to go to the Eastside.  But Microsoft and a bunch of other technical companies are on the Eastside, so now many people actually commute from Seattle to the Eastside over the 520 bridge.</p><p>There are rich neighborhoods right on the water, on both sides of the lake.  The fabled small city of Medina, where Bill Gates has his famous house, is right by the 520 bridge.  The rich folks have been successfully blocking all attempts to upgrade the 520 bridge; as I understand it, their attitude is that they already don't like the car noise, so why would they want <em>more</em> traffic to be able to flow over the bridge?  The area has been talking about replacing the 520 bridge for something like 14 years now, and for most of that time the project has been blocked.</p><p>But the 520 bridge really needs to be replaced.  If you measure the life of the bridge in terms of how many cars have driven over it, the bridge is way, way past its planned lifetime already.  A serious wind storm could sink it.  A serious earthquake could sink it.  And the consequences for traffic would be <em>epic</em> (not in a good way).</p><p>Right now, all it takes is a Husky football game at the University of Washington, putting extra traffic on the already overloaded bridge, and the whole area is just about paralyzed.  Normally the I-90 bridge is fine, but when the 520 gets bad enough and traffic diverts to the other bridge, both bridges can be parking lots.  It will already be bad when the 520 bridge is closed for construction of the new bridge; I seriously hope that they can mostly build the new bridge somewhere and float it into place with minimal down time.  If the bridge fails in a wind storm, we will be many months, possibly <em>years</em> without any bridge and the traffic will be dire.  In short, any further delay in building the bridge is Not A Good Idea.</p><p>Now, the existing bridge is two traffic lanes each way.  There is no carpool lane.  There is no shoulder.  Any time a vehicle stalls, a tow truck gets over there ASAP and pulls it off the bridge, but it <em>still</em> does horrible things to the already horrible traffic.  As other posters have noted, the 520 carpool lane disappears right before the bridge, and the westbound neck-down where three lanes go to two lanes is the single most congested piece of road in the whole state.</p><p>So, we have a bridge plan finally that is ready to move ahead.  It ha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is unbelievably slanted ; whoever tagged this story " troll " was correct .
Here is the complete situation ; judge for yourself.Lake Washington is a tall , skinny lake that 's rather deep in the middle .
It takes a while to drive around it ; if you bicycle around the circumference of the lake , it 's about 50 miles total.On the west side of the lake , you have a tall , skinny city : Seattle .
The biggest city in the state , lots of people live there.On the east side of the lake , you have a tall , skinny populated area .
But it is n't just one city ; it 's Bothell , Woodinville , Kirkland , Bellevue , Redmond , Renton , and a few small ones .
Collectively these are known as " the Eastside " .Because Lake Washington is so deep , an ordinary bridge is impractical .
That is why the three longest floating bridges in the world are on Lake Washington : the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge ( I tend to slip and call it the " floating point bridge " ) is the one with highway 520 , and it is the longest single floating bridge in the world .
( The other two are used for I-90 a couple of miles to the south of 520 .
) By the way , I suspect that one of the reasons we have the longest floating bridges is the fact that the Chittenden Locks in Seattle allow for some control over the water level of Lake Washington ; if we have torrential rain , engineers can just open the locks and let the waters drain out of the lake system and lower the water level again to the safe zone for the floating bridges.When the 520 bridge was first built , all the action was in Seattle .
Not that many people lived on the Eastside , and not that many Seattle people needed to go to the Eastside .
But Microsoft and a bunch of other technical companies are on the Eastside , so now many people actually commute from Seattle to the Eastside over the 520 bridge.There are rich neighborhoods right on the water , on both sides of the lake .
The fabled small city of Medina , where Bill Gates has his famous house , is right by the 520 bridge .
The rich folks have been successfully blocking all attempts to upgrade the 520 bridge ; as I understand it , their attitude is that they already do n't like the car noise , so why would they want more traffic to be able to flow over the bridge ?
The area has been talking about replacing the 520 bridge for something like 14 years now , and for most of that time the project has been blocked.But the 520 bridge really needs to be replaced .
If you measure the life of the bridge in terms of how many cars have driven over it , the bridge is way , way past its planned lifetime already .
A serious wind storm could sink it .
A serious earthquake could sink it .
And the consequences for traffic would be epic ( not in a good way ) .Right now , all it takes is a Husky football game at the University of Washington , putting extra traffic on the already overloaded bridge , and the whole area is just about paralyzed .
Normally the I-90 bridge is fine , but when the 520 gets bad enough and traffic diverts to the other bridge , both bridges can be parking lots .
It will already be bad when the 520 bridge is closed for construction of the new bridge ; I seriously hope that they can mostly build the new bridge somewhere and float it into place with minimal down time .
If the bridge fails in a wind storm , we will be many months , possibly years without any bridge and the traffic will be dire .
In short , any further delay in building the bridge is Not A Good Idea.Now , the existing bridge is two traffic lanes each way .
There is no carpool lane .
There is no shoulder .
Any time a vehicle stalls , a tow truck gets over there ASAP and pulls it off the bridge , but it still does horrible things to the already horrible traffic .
As other posters have noted , the 520 carpool lane disappears right before the bridge , and the westbound neck-down where three lanes go to two lanes is the single most congested piece of road in the whole state.So , we have a bridge plan finally that is ready to move ahead .
It ha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is unbelievably slanted; whoever tagged this story "troll" was correct.
Here is the complete situation; judge for yourself.Lake Washington is a tall, skinny lake that's rather deep in the middle.
It takes a while to drive around it; if you bicycle around the circumference of the lake, it's about 50 miles total.On the west side of the lake, you have a tall, skinny city: Seattle.
The biggest city in the state, lots of people live there.On the east side of the lake, you have a tall, skinny populated area.
But it isn't just one city; it's Bothell, Woodinville, Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, Renton, and a few small ones.
Collectively these are known as "the Eastside".Because Lake Washington is so deep, an ordinary bridge is impractical.
That is why the three longest floating bridges in the world are on Lake Washington: the Evergreen Point Floating Bridge (I tend to slip and call it the "floating point bridge") is the one with highway 520, and it is the longest single floating bridge in the world.
(The other two are used for I-90 a couple of miles to the south of 520.
)  By the way, I suspect that one of the reasons we have the longest floating bridges is the fact that the Chittenden Locks in Seattle allow for some control over the water level of Lake Washington; if we have torrential rain, engineers can just open the locks and let the waters drain out of the lake system and lower the water level again to the safe zone for the floating bridges.When the 520 bridge was first built, all the action was in Seattle.
Not that many people lived on the Eastside, and not that many Seattle people needed to go to the Eastside.
But Microsoft and a bunch of other technical companies are on the Eastside, so now many people actually commute from Seattle to the Eastside over the 520 bridge.There are rich neighborhoods right on the water, on both sides of the lake.
The fabled small city of Medina, where Bill Gates has his famous house, is right by the 520 bridge.
The rich folks have been successfully blocking all attempts to upgrade the 520 bridge; as I understand it, their attitude is that they already don't like the car noise, so why would they want more traffic to be able to flow over the bridge?
The area has been talking about replacing the 520 bridge for something like 14 years now, and for most of that time the project has been blocked.But the 520 bridge really needs to be replaced.
If you measure the life of the bridge in terms of how many cars have driven over it, the bridge is way, way past its planned lifetime already.
A serious wind storm could sink it.
A serious earthquake could sink it.
And the consequences for traffic would be epic (not in a good way).Right now, all it takes is a Husky football game at the University of Washington, putting extra traffic on the already overloaded bridge, and the whole area is just about paralyzed.
Normally the I-90 bridge is fine, but when the 520 gets bad enough and traffic diverts to the other bridge, both bridges can be parking lots.
It will already be bad when the 520 bridge is closed for construction of the new bridge; I seriously hope that they can mostly build the new bridge somewhere and float it into place with minimal down time.
If the bridge fails in a wind storm, we will be many months, possibly years without any bridge and the traffic will be dire.
In short, any further delay in building the bridge is Not A Good Idea.Now, the existing bridge is two traffic lanes each way.
There is no carpool lane.
There is no shoulder.
Any time a vehicle stalls, a tow truck gets over there ASAP and pulls it off the bridge, but it still does horrible things to the already horrible traffic.
As other posters have noted, the 520 carpool lane disappears right before the bridge, and the westbound neck-down where three lanes go to two lanes is the single most congested piece of road in the whole state.So, we have a bridge plan finally that is ready to move ahead.
It ha</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251726</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1266924480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves.</p></div> </blockquote><p>FWIW, my experience is that car-pooling is very common in the Seattle area, especially among people under 40.  Much more so than in the NY area where I live now.  Actions to encourage more carpooling there might be likely to meet a decent response than here in NJ where HOV lanes have been converted back to general-purpose lanes.<br> <br>Just some food for thought.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves .
FWIW , my experience is that car-pooling is very common in the Seattle area , especially among people under 40 .
Much more so than in the NY area where I live now .
Actions to encourage more carpooling there might be likely to meet a decent response than here in NJ where HOV lanes have been converted back to general-purpose lanes .
Just some food for thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently MS management feels the employees want to drive their own cars to work by themselves.
FWIW, my experience is that car-pooling is very common in the Seattle area, especially among people under 40.
Much more so than in the NY area where I live now.
Actions to encourage more carpooling there might be likely to meet a decent response than here in NJ where HOV lanes have been converted back to general-purpose lanes.
Just some food for thought.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251326</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251322</id>
	<title>I, for one, am shocked...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That a guy who has practically unlimited money and a seemingly sincere desire for world improvement(some of the "educational" initiatives that basically boil down to getting 3rd world kiddies using MS Office are arguably cynical; but nobody puts money into malaria research except for philanthropic reasons) and a callously profit-maximizing corporation with stockholders to appease might not be in complete agreement. However could this be?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That a guy who has practically unlimited money and a seemingly sincere desire for world improvement ( some of the " educational " initiatives that basically boil down to getting 3rd world kiddies using MS Office are arguably cynical ; but nobody puts money into malaria research except for philanthropic reasons ) and a callously profit-maximizing corporation with stockholders to appease might not be in complete agreement .
However could this be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That a guy who has practically unlimited money and a seemingly sincere desire for world improvement(some of the "educational" initiatives that basically boil down to getting 3rd world kiddies using MS Office are arguably cynical; but nobody puts money into malaria research except for philanthropic reasons) and a callously profit-maximizing corporation with stockholders to appease might not be in complete agreement.
However could this be?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252198</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Jason Earl</author>
	<datestamp>1266926640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft doesn't oppose the bridge.  In fact, Microsoft is in favor of the current plans for the bridge.  Currently plans for the bridge include 6 total lanes with two of those lanes (one in each direction) being HOV lanes.  Apparently there is a contingent that wants to change the plans so that so there are two lanes for light rail and/or buses, two HOV lanes, and one general purpose lane in each direction.

</p><p>Microsoft is right to oppose such a boondoggle.

</p><p>The fact of the matter is that most of the people using the bridge will be using the general purpose lanes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft does n't oppose the bridge .
In fact , Microsoft is in favor of the current plans for the bridge .
Currently plans for the bridge include 6 total lanes with two of those lanes ( one in each direction ) being HOV lanes .
Apparently there is a contingent that wants to change the plans so that so there are two lanes for light rail and/or buses , two HOV lanes , and one general purpose lane in each direction .
Microsoft is right to oppose such a boondoggle .
The fact of the matter is that most of the people using the bridge will be using the general purpose lanes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft doesn't oppose the bridge.
In fact, Microsoft is in favor of the current plans for the bridge.
Currently plans for the bridge include 6 total lanes with two of those lanes (one in each direction) being HOV lanes.
Apparently there is a contingent that wants to change the plans so that so there are two lanes for light rail and/or buses, two HOV lanes, and one general purpose lane in each direction.
Microsoft is right to oppose such a boondoggle.
The fact of the matter is that most of the people using the bridge will be using the general purpose lanes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252016</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1266925680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you think the story has <a href="http://a.fsdn.com/sd/topics/topicms.gif" title="fsdn.com" rel="nofollow">http://a.fsdn.com/sd/topics/topicms.gif</a> [fsdn.com] attached to it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you think the story has http : //a.fsdn.com/sd/topics/topicms.gif [ fsdn.com ] attached to it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you think the story has http://a.fsdn.com/sd/topics/topicms.gif [fsdn.com] attached to it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31256514</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure ?<br>Windows now uses more resources = power which increases CO2. Not sure if the sleep will compensate enough for that.<br>The hardware demands also caused people to upgrade their perfectly good XP hardware, causing pollution that way.</p><p>I once read, that it costs more CO2 to make a car than it can ever emit in its lifetime. Maybe the same goes for a computer ?</p><p>It is expensive in energy to convert sand to metal, transport the metal, warm it up, ship parts around the world etc. It would be interesting to see the big calculation, how much does a CO2 does a PC cost before it is switched on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure ? Windows now uses more resources = power which increases CO2 .
Not sure if the sleep will compensate enough for that.The hardware demands also caused people to upgrade their perfectly good XP hardware , causing pollution that way.I once read , that it costs more CO2 to make a car than it can ever emit in its lifetime .
Maybe the same goes for a computer ? It is expensive in energy to convert sand to metal , transport the metal , warm it up , ship parts around the world etc .
It would be interesting to see the big calculation , how much does a CO2 does a PC cost before it is switched on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure ?Windows now uses more resources = power which increases CO2.
Not sure if the sleep will compensate enough for that.The hardware demands also caused people to upgrade their perfectly good XP hardware, causing pollution that way.I once read, that it costs more CO2 to make a car than it can ever emit in its lifetime.
Maybe the same goes for a computer ?It is expensive in energy to convert sand to metal, transport the metal, warm it up, ship parts around the world etc.
It would be interesting to see the big calculation, how much does a CO2 does a PC cost before it is switched on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251248</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251842</id>
	<title>Re:Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>pilgrim23</author>
	<datestamp>1266924840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If dollar bills are taken out of bank accounts and placed directly in politician's pockets,  Does that reduce their carbon footprint?   The Politician would tend to think so...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If dollar bills are taken out of bank accounts and placed directly in politician 's pockets , Does that reduce their carbon footprint ?
The Politician would tend to think so.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If dollar bills are taken out of bank accounts and placed directly in politician's pockets,  Does that reduce their carbon footprint?
The Politician would tend to think so...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251466</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252066</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1266925920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are absolutely correct, one cannot comment unless one has traveled the mile in the local shoes.  However, two things stand out.  First, even the imminent collapse of a bridge does not mean that taxpayer, perhaps federal, can forfeit their right to due diligence.  Taxpayers deserve a fully explored plan.  If that means studies and whatnot delay it, then so be it.  There are many bridges that need to be replaced, and critical bridges that no longer exist.  For instance, I think there is a bridge in Vermont that was allowed to go out, even though the nearest alternative route is at least an hour away. In the case of MS, there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520' went away.  Sure it would be a hassle, but not the end of the world.  I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.
<p>
Second, I wonder why MS did not enumerate the other people that are dependent on the bridge.  For instance, why didn't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons.  Is it because only MS needs this bridge?  I am not saying that MS should pay for the bridge, but if the taxpayers are paying for a bridge to MS specification, then it seems a lot like the recent wall street bailout.  Bad planning requires us to pay for a business that is too big to fail.
</p><p>
It is easy to believe that MS wants a new bridge, and wants the tax payers to fund it, at least partially.  While I would not suggest that MS pays for the bridge, I would suggest that if it wants a custom MS bridge, then maybe MS should fund it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are absolutely correct , one can not comment unless one has traveled the mile in the local shoes .
However , two things stand out .
First , even the imminent collapse of a bridge does not mean that taxpayer , perhaps federal , can forfeit their right to due diligence .
Taxpayers deserve a fully explored plan .
If that means studies and whatnot delay it , then so be it .
There are many bridges that need to be replaced , and critical bridges that no longer exist .
For instance , I think there is a bridge in Vermont that was allowed to go out , even though the nearest alternative route is at least an hour away .
In the case of MS , there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520 ' went away .
Sure it would be a hassle , but not the end of the world .
I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues .
Second , I wonder why MS did not enumerate the other people that are dependent on the bridge .
For instance , why did n't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons .
Is it because only MS needs this bridge ?
I am not saying that MS should pay for the bridge , but if the taxpayers are paying for a bridge to MS specification , then it seems a lot like the recent wall street bailout .
Bad planning requires us to pay for a business that is too big to fail .
It is easy to believe that MS wants a new bridge , and wants the tax payers to fund it , at least partially .
While I would not suggest that MS pays for the bridge , I would suggest that if it wants a custom MS bridge , then maybe MS should fund it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are absolutely correct, one cannot comment unless one has traveled the mile in the local shoes.
However, two things stand out.
First, even the imminent collapse of a bridge does not mean that taxpayer, perhaps federal, can forfeit their right to due diligence.
Taxpayers deserve a fully explored plan.
If that means studies and whatnot delay it, then so be it.
There are many bridges that need to be replaced, and critical bridges that no longer exist.
For instance, I think there is a bridge in Vermont that was allowed to go out, even though the nearest alternative route is at least an hour away.
In the case of MS, there seems to alternatives within 10 miles that can support traffic in the '520' went away.
Sure it would be a hassle, but not the end of the world.
I myself have to make a 5 mile detour right now due to such issues.
Second, I wonder why MS did not enumerate the other people that are dependent on the bridge.
For instance, why didn't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons.
Is it because only MS needs this bridge?
I am not saying that MS should pay for the bridge, but if the taxpayers are paying for a bridge to MS specification, then it seems a lot like the recent wall street bailout.
Bad planning requires us to pay for a business that is too big to fail.
It is easy to believe that MS wants a new bridge, and wants the tax payers to fund it, at least partially.
While I would not suggest that MS pays for the bridge, I would suggest that if it wants a custom MS bridge, then maybe MS should fund it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251384</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255794</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266949320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't remember the China Syndrome movie?  The nuclear fuel melted through the entire earth and popped out in China.  Of course there are problems with this, such as a real nuclear meltdown won't go more than a few feet into the ground, and China isn't the antipode of the United States, but why let facts get in the way of a good story?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't remember the China Syndrome movie ?
The nuclear fuel melted through the entire earth and popped out in China .
Of course there are problems with this , such as a real nuclear meltdown wo n't go more than a few feet into the ground , and China is n't the antipode of the United States , but why let facts get in the way of a good story ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't remember the China Syndrome movie?
The nuclear fuel melted through the entire earth and popped out in China.
Of course there are problems with this, such as a real nuclear meltdown won't go more than a few feet into the ground, and China isn't the antipode of the United States, but why let facts get in the way of a good story?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251152</id>
	<title>Bill Gates vs Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fight! Fight! Fight!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fight !
Fight ! Fight !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fight!
Fight! Fight!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31262188</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265138160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I watched that talk by Gates a few days ago, and he has an interesting design for a nuclear reactor, that basically would work like burning a candle - "burning" starts on one end of the nuclear log and proceeds down the log until 50 years later, when you pop it out and put a new log in. The little bit of waste left over could be put into a new log, and it runs on unenriched uranium, which makes fuel a lot less expensive, and a lot more available.</p> </div><p>BIll has a friend (and patent vulture) called Nathan Myhrvold that thinks it might be a good idea. Nathan doesn't know much about nuclear engineering and the nuclear engineers he hired will happily take his money and not tell him that this idea belongs in the wastebasket. It's a fast breeder reactor with a HUGE core that will need a cooling system that is difficult to imagine. It also needs fuel elements qualified for 60 years of operation plus a short eternity where each of these reactors (that he thinks of building by the hundreds or thousands) will serve as a Yucca Mountain. Don't worry. No regulator in any country will ever allow this (unless bribed... hmmm). Neutronically, the idea is cute. From an engineering point of view it's a nightmare. These handicaps and others far outweigh any alleged benefits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I watched that talk by Gates a few days ago , and he has an interesting design for a nuclear reactor , that basically would work like burning a candle - " burning " starts on one end of the nuclear log and proceeds down the log until 50 years later , when you pop it out and put a new log in .
The little bit of waste left over could be put into a new log , and it runs on unenriched uranium , which makes fuel a lot less expensive , and a lot more available .
BIll has a friend ( and patent vulture ) called Nathan Myhrvold that thinks it might be a good idea .
Nathan does n't know much about nuclear engineering and the nuclear engineers he hired will happily take his money and not tell him that this idea belongs in the wastebasket .
It 's a fast breeder reactor with a HUGE core that will need a cooling system that is difficult to imagine .
It also needs fuel elements qualified for 60 years of operation plus a short eternity where each of these reactors ( that he thinks of building by the hundreds or thousands ) will serve as a Yucca Mountain .
Do n't worry .
No regulator in any country will ever allow this ( unless bribed... hmmm ) . Neutronically , the idea is cute .
From an engineering point of view it 's a nightmare .
These handicaps and others far outweigh any alleged benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I watched that talk by Gates a few days ago, and he has an interesting design for a nuclear reactor, that basically would work like burning a candle - "burning" starts on one end of the nuclear log and proceeds down the log until 50 years later, when you pop it out and put a new log in.
The little bit of waste left over could be put into a new log, and it runs on unenriched uranium, which makes fuel a lot less expensive, and a lot more available.
BIll has a friend (and patent vulture) called Nathan Myhrvold that thinks it might be a good idea.
Nathan doesn't know much about nuclear engineering and the nuclear engineers he hired will happily take his money and not tell him that this idea belongs in the wastebasket.
It's a fast breeder reactor with a HUGE core that will need a cooling system that is difficult to imagine.
It also needs fuel elements qualified for 60 years of operation plus a short eternity where each of these reactors (that he thinks of building by the hundreds or thousands) will serve as a Yucca Mountain.
Don't worry.
No regulator in any country will ever allow this (unless bribed... hmmm). Neutronically, the idea is cute.
From an engineering point of view it's a nightmare.
These handicaps and others far outweigh any alleged benefits.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252236</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266926820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, you mean they were using carbon based life for energy?  I for one welcome our Matrix overlords!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , you mean they were using carbon based life for energy ?
I for one welcome our Matrix overlords !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, you mean they were using carbon based life for energy?
I for one welcome our Matrix overlords!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251388</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266923160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;The changes Microsoft made to both Windows Vista and 7 have resulted in more CO2 savings that most other efforts combined.</p><p>Which is really sad, since the overall effect is quite small.</p><p>If we'd gone nuclear since the 70s, we'd have met every CO2 target out there today, and we wouldn't be having all this annoying debate. Well, we'd be having some kind of annoying debate, but not so much over CO2 production.</p><p>I watched that talk by Gates a few days ago, and he has an interesting design for a nuclear reactor, that basically would work like burning a candle - "burning" starts on one end of the nuclear log and proceeds down the log until 50 years later, when you pop it out and put a new log in. The little bit of waste left over could be put into a new log, and it runs on unenriched uranium, which makes fuel a lot less expensive, and a lot more available. It could all be a pipe dream, but it would be great if they could get it working. Given that Gates can bankroll all the R&amp;D out of his deep pockets, I'm cautiously optimistic about Terrapower.</p><p>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear, even though it is the only power source that is cheap, safe, and good for the environment. The only people who oppose it are the ignorant (Nuclear Power means Nuclear War!) or people who think life would be AWESOME if we could all go back to living in caves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; The changes Microsoft made to both Windows Vista and 7 have resulted in more CO2 savings that most other efforts combined.Which is really sad , since the overall effect is quite small.If we 'd gone nuclear since the 70s , we 'd have met every CO2 target out there today , and we would n't be having all this annoying debate .
Well , we 'd be having some kind of annoying debate , but not so much over CO2 production.I watched that talk by Gates a few days ago , and he has an interesting design for a nuclear reactor , that basically would work like burning a candle - " burning " starts on one end of the nuclear log and proceeds down the log until 50 years later , when you pop it out and put a new log in .
The little bit of waste left over could be put into a new log , and it runs on unenriched uranium , which makes fuel a lot less expensive , and a lot more available .
It could all be a pipe dream , but it would be great if they could get it working .
Given that Gates can bankroll all the R&amp;D out of his deep pockets , I 'm cautiously optimistic about Terrapower.The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear , even though it is the only power source that is cheap , safe , and good for the environment .
The only people who oppose it are the ignorant ( Nuclear Power means Nuclear War !
) or people who think life would be AWESOME if we could all go back to living in caves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;The changes Microsoft made to both Windows Vista and 7 have resulted in more CO2 savings that most other efforts combined.Which is really sad, since the overall effect is quite small.If we'd gone nuclear since the 70s, we'd have met every CO2 target out there today, and we wouldn't be having all this annoying debate.
Well, we'd be having some kind of annoying debate, but not so much over CO2 production.I watched that talk by Gates a few days ago, and he has an interesting design for a nuclear reactor, that basically would work like burning a candle - "burning" starts on one end of the nuclear log and proceeds down the log until 50 years later, when you pop it out and put a new log in.
The little bit of waste left over could be put into a new log, and it runs on unenriched uranium, which makes fuel a lot less expensive, and a lot more available.
It could all be a pipe dream, but it would be great if they could get it working.
Given that Gates can bankroll all the R&amp;D out of his deep pockets, I'm cautiously optimistic about Terrapower.The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear, even though it is the only power source that is cheap, safe, and good for the environment.
The only people who oppose it are the ignorant (Nuclear Power means Nuclear War!
) or people who think life would be AWESOME if we could all go back to living in caves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257120</id>
	<title>What  \%age plutonium, americium, thorium, Bill ?</title>
	<author>harvey the nerd</author>
	<datestamp>1265106960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like Bill trying to create a market for his simulated, carbon-free nuclear waste burner with assorted nucleotides.  Hope it works better than Windows.  Otherwise we're going have fun with radioactive, explosive liquid metals every month or two.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like Bill trying to create a market for his simulated , carbon-free nuclear waste burner with assorted nucleotides .
Hope it works better than Windows .
Otherwise we 're going have fun with radioactive , explosive liquid metals every month or two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like Bill trying to create a market for his simulated, carbon-free nuclear waste burner with assorted nucleotides.
Hope it works better than Windows.
Otherwise we're going have fun with radioactive, explosive liquid metals every month or two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252326</id>
	<title>what the fuck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266927180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what the fuck is this anti microsoft bullshit doing on the front page? I know this is slashdot but for fucks sake people. CO2 emission has fuck all to do with microsoft's ad in the paper. fuck you slashdot, get your act together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what the fuck is this anti microsoft bullshit doing on the front page ?
I know this is slashdot but for fucks sake people .
CO2 emission has fuck all to do with microsoft 's ad in the paper .
fuck you slashdot , get your act together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what the fuck is this anti microsoft bullshit doing on the front page?
I know this is slashdot but for fucks sake people.
CO2 emission has fuck all to do with microsoft's ad in the paper.
fuck you slashdot, get your act together.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253426</id>
	<title>They have no right to complain</title>
	<author>plopez</author>
	<datestamp>1266932340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since they aren't paying taxes in WA, they have no say in the matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since they are n't paying taxes in WA , they have no say in the matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since they aren't paying taxes in WA, they have no say in the matter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255706</id>
	<title>I don't see the conflict...</title>
	<author>tbq</author>
	<datestamp>1266948480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, a car traveling a constant 60mph is probably burning less fuel on a trip than a car going 0-10mph in stop and go traffic traveling over the same distance.  Ideally it should take about 90 seconds to drive over the 520 bridge.  Instead it takes between 5 and 30 minutes depending on what time of day you attempt to cross and what direct you go.  Allowing cars move faster will ultimately reduce fuel consumption, which will reduce pollution.  Everyone wins with more lanes.
<br> <br>
I don't see why they want to take down the current 4 lane bridge and replace it with a 6 lane bridge.  Eight or 10 lanes would do much more to alleviate congestion AND would still allow them to build their train tracks AND leave room for cars and busses.  Heaven forbid that the regional economy picks up someday and there are more people commuting to and from Redmond and Seattle than there are today or tomorrow or ten years down the road.  Otherwise, a year after the new bridge opens people will be complaining about congestion again and how this bridge needs to be removed and replaced with a larger bridge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a car traveling a constant 60mph is probably burning less fuel on a trip than a car going 0-10mph in stop and go traffic traveling over the same distance .
Ideally it should take about 90 seconds to drive over the 520 bridge .
Instead it takes between 5 and 30 minutes depending on what time of day you attempt to cross and what direct you go .
Allowing cars move faster will ultimately reduce fuel consumption , which will reduce pollution .
Everyone wins with more lanes .
I do n't see why they want to take down the current 4 lane bridge and replace it with a 6 lane bridge .
Eight or 10 lanes would do much more to alleviate congestion AND would still allow them to build their train tracks AND leave room for cars and busses .
Heaven forbid that the regional economy picks up someday and there are more people commuting to and from Redmond and Seattle than there are today or tomorrow or ten years down the road .
Otherwise , a year after the new bridge opens people will be complaining about congestion again and how this bridge needs to be removed and replaced with a larger bridge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a car traveling a constant 60mph is probably burning less fuel on a trip than a car going 0-10mph in stop and go traffic traveling over the same distance.
Ideally it should take about 90 seconds to drive over the 520 bridge.
Instead it takes between 5 and 30 minutes depending on what time of day you attempt to cross and what direct you go.
Allowing cars move faster will ultimately reduce fuel consumption, which will reduce pollution.
Everyone wins with more lanes.
I don't see why they want to take down the current 4 lane bridge and replace it with a 6 lane bridge.
Eight or 10 lanes would do much more to alleviate congestion AND would still allow them to build their train tracks AND leave room for cars and busses.
Heaven forbid that the regional economy picks up someday and there are more people commuting to and from Redmond and Seattle than there are today or tomorrow or ten years down the road.
Otherwise, a year after the new bridge opens people will be complaining about congestion again and how this bridge needs to be removed and replaced with a larger bridge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251528</id>
	<title>Re:Population Reduction</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1266923700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Troll? He wants population planet wide to stabilize and drop some for the good of all. Not<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... like slaughtering africans with medicine... Bringing places to the 1st world reduces birth rates. That's a good thing... and exactly what we want to see.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Troll ?
He wants population planet wide to stabilize and drop some for the good of all .
Not ... like slaughtering africans with medicine... Bringing places to the 1st world reduces birth rates .
That 's a good thing... and exactly what we want to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Troll?
He wants population planet wide to stabilize and drop some for the good of all.
Not ... like slaughtering africans with medicine... Bringing places to the 1st world reduces birth rates.
That's a good thing... and exactly what we want to see.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252302</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266927060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 'fuel' consumed by the humans (aka food) is also Carbon based. If there is no energy coming from it, you will eventually die (a slow death maybe).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'fuel ' consumed by the humans ( aka food ) is also Carbon based .
If there is no energy coming from it , you will eventually die ( a slow death maybe ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'fuel' consumed by the humans (aka food) is also Carbon based.
If there is no energy coming from it, you will eventually die (a slow death maybe).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251240</id>
	<title>wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"moving to zero-carbon energy"</p></div><p>That would be the end of life as we know it. Quite literally, as a matter of fact, since we're all made of carbon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" moving to zero-carbon energy " That would be the end of life as we know it .
Quite literally , as a matter of fact , since we 're all made of carbon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"moving to zero-carbon energy"That would be the end of life as we know it.
Quite literally, as a matter of fact, since we're all made of carbon.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251952</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1266925380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's interesting that the "conservative" view here supports government spending on a project that mainly benefits Microsoft employees.</p><p>If Microsoft wants a bridge that's best for their own employees, why don't <i>they user their own money to build it</i>?</p><p>If the entire state's (and federal) taxpayers have to foot the bill for this bridge, then it's completely reasonable for them to expect it to be environmentally responsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting that the " conservative " view here supports government spending on a project that mainly benefits Microsoft employees.If Microsoft wants a bridge that 's best for their own employees , why do n't they user their own money to build it ? If the entire state 's ( and federal ) taxpayers have to foot the bill for this bridge , then it 's completely reasonable for them to expect it to be environmentally responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting that the "conservative" view here supports government spending on a project that mainly benefits Microsoft employees.If Microsoft wants a bridge that's best for their own employees, why don't they user their own money to build it?If the entire state's (and federal) taxpayers have to foot the bill for this bridge, then it's completely reasonable for them to expect it to be environmentally responsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31259112</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265125200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My only concern with nuclear is what to do with the waste. If/when they ever get fusion useable (and they keep getting closer all the time) the question will be moot.</p><p>Until then, I favor various solar supplies (which actually IS fusion power) -- wind, hydro, solar panels, etc. I dream of a day when roofs are made of ultra-high efficiancy solar panels, and power plants and power lines are obsolete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My only concern with nuclear is what to do with the waste .
If/when they ever get fusion useable ( and they keep getting closer all the time ) the question will be moot.Until then , I favor various solar supplies ( which actually IS fusion power ) -- wind , hydro , solar panels , etc .
I dream of a day when roofs are made of ultra-high efficiancy solar panels , and power plants and power lines are obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My only concern with nuclear is what to do with the waste.
If/when they ever get fusion useable (and they keep getting closer all the time) the question will be moot.Until then, I favor various solar supplies (which actually IS fusion power) -- wind, hydro, solar panels, etc.
I dream of a day when roofs are made of ultra-high efficiancy solar panels, and power plants and power lines are obsolete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254656</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266939960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear</p></div><p>I think it's a small but vocal minority. I doubt any environmentalist that thoroughly researched it would recommend coal or gas over nuclear. (those are the current solutions in the US)</p><p>Certainly, we should avoid living within 50 miles of a nuclear reactor, just to be safe - but denying such an efficient form of energy generation because of possible risks seems fool hearty - and perhaps even hypocritical. For example, there's significantly more evidence out there that genetically modified corn (and the fructose produced from it) is causing all sorts of genetic damage and diseases(obesity, heart disease, etc.), but that doesn't stop us from shoving it down our faces, because it tastes good.</p><p>And we're worried about Nuclear? Why exactly?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclearI think it 's a small but vocal minority .
I doubt any environmentalist that thoroughly researched it would recommend coal or gas over nuclear .
( those are the current solutions in the US ) Certainly , we should avoid living within 50 miles of a nuclear reactor , just to be safe - but denying such an efficient form of energy generation because of possible risks seems fool hearty - and perhaps even hypocritical .
For example , there 's significantly more evidence out there that genetically modified corn ( and the fructose produced from it ) is causing all sorts of genetic damage and diseases ( obesity , heart disease , etc .
) , but that does n't stop us from shoving it down our faces , because it tastes good.And we 're worried about Nuclear ?
Why exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclearI think it's a small but vocal minority.
I doubt any environmentalist that thoroughly researched it would recommend coal or gas over nuclear.
(those are the current solutions in the US)Certainly, we should avoid living within 50 miles of a nuclear reactor, just to be safe - but denying such an efficient form of energy generation because of possible risks seems fool hearty - and perhaps even hypocritical.
For example, there's significantly more evidence out there that genetically modified corn (and the fructose produced from it) is causing all sorts of genetic damage and diseases(obesity, heart disease, etc.
), but that doesn't stop us from shoving it down our faces, because it tastes good.And we're worried about Nuclear?
Why exactly?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252284</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1266927000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's cheaper to you than building new roads, and accomplishes a fair amount of congestion relief when properly implemented. Would you rather the cities use eminent domain on anything near a highway and expand them all to 12 lanes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's cheaper to you than building new roads , and accomplishes a fair amount of congestion relief when properly implemented .
Would you rather the cities use eminent domain on anything near a highway and expand them all to 12 lanes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's cheaper to you than building new roads, and accomplishes a fair amount of congestion relief when properly implemented.
Would you rather the cities use eminent domain on anything near a highway and expand them all to 12 lanes?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252398</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1266927600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We should also consider the impact of gamers on CO2 emission. This growing population insist on 700-1200W power supplied to run obscenely inefficient video cards. Thankfully some manufacturers are greener than others. 343W in 2005 to less than 270W in today's best. Still we need to do some work here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We should also consider the impact of gamers on CO2 emission .
This growing population insist on 700-1200W power supplied to run obscenely inefficient video cards .
Thankfully some manufacturers are greener than others .
343W in 2005 to less than 270W in today 's best .
Still we need to do some work here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should also consider the impact of gamers on CO2 emission.
This growing population insist on 700-1200W power supplied to run obscenely inefficient video cards.
Thankfully some manufacturers are greener than others.
343W in 2005 to less than 270W in today's best.
Still we need to do some work here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254032</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1266935640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>For instance, why didn't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons. Is it because only MS needs this bridge?</em> </p><p>
Obviously MS believes someone else wants or needs it, otherwise they wouldn't pay $100000 for an ad in a newspaper.
</p><p>
<b>Surely</b> they have more efficient, less costly ways of communicating certain things to their own employees.......
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For instance , why did n't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons .
Is it because only MS needs this bridge ?
Obviously MS believes someone else wants or needs it , otherwise they would n't pay $ 100000 for an ad in a newspaper .
Surely they have more efficient , less costly ways of communicating certain things to their own employees...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> For instance, why didn't the ad state that there were 5000 MS employees and x other persons.
Is it because only MS needs this bridge?
Obviously MS believes someone else wants or needs it, otherwise they wouldn't pay $100000 for an ad in a newspaper.
Surely they have more efficient, less costly ways of communicating certain things to their own employees.......
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31260652</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then what are Jews supposed to do with the bodies of Catholic babies after they take their blood to make matzoh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then what are Jews supposed to do with the bodies of Catholic babies after they take their blood to make matzoh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then what are Jews supposed to do with the bodies of Catholic babies after they take their blood to make matzoh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255678</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>juancnuno</author>
	<datestamp>1266948180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear, even though it is the only power source that is cheap, safe, and good for the environment.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm an environmentalist, and I support the development of nuclear power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear , even though it is the only power source that is cheap , safe , and good for the environment.I 'm an environmentalist , and I support the development of nuclear power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad thing is that environmentalists have a sort of knee jerk reaction every time they hear the word nuclear, even though it is the only power source that is cheap, safe, and good for the environment.I'm an environmentalist, and I support the development of nuclear power.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251942</id>
	<title>Re:Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>SeattleGameboy</author>
	<datestamp>1266925320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a "power and wealth" angle to this story, but your angle ain't it.<br> <br>

At both end of this bridge is two of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Puget Sound; Montlake and Median. Montlake and its west coastline neighborhoods of the Lake Washington is the "old Seattle money" and Medina and its east coast line neighborhoods are where the "new tech money" billionaires live (including Gates). <br> <br>

They have been waging a major battle against the 520 redesign for over a decade. They do not want anything other than an exact replica of the current bridge (4 narrow lanes). They have thrown numerous roadblocks against the redesign and fought the city hall for many many years with lawsuits and environmental challenges. Now that all of those battle have been fought and lost, the same neighborhood association is now backing this new proposal since they know this would reboot the process and will tie up the contruction of the bridge for at least another decade.<br> <br>

Opposing this bridge is EXACTLY what is wrong with those with power and wealth. They will not be inconvenienced one bit even if there is greater good for the vast majority of the citizens. They like the things as they are, and they will fight any change that encroach on their turf.

If you want to "rise up and slay" aristocracy, then you should throw your full support for this bridge to be rebuilt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a " power and wealth " angle to this story , but your angle ai n't it .
At both end of this bridge is two of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Puget Sound ; Montlake and Median .
Montlake and its west coastline neighborhoods of the Lake Washington is the " old Seattle money " and Medina and its east coast line neighborhoods are where the " new tech money " billionaires live ( including Gates ) .
They have been waging a major battle against the 520 redesign for over a decade .
They do not want anything other than an exact replica of the current bridge ( 4 narrow lanes ) .
They have thrown numerous roadblocks against the redesign and fought the city hall for many many years with lawsuits and environmental challenges .
Now that all of those battle have been fought and lost , the same neighborhood association is now backing this new proposal since they know this would reboot the process and will tie up the contruction of the bridge for at least another decade .
Opposing this bridge is EXACTLY what is wrong with those with power and wealth .
They will not be inconvenienced one bit even if there is greater good for the vast majority of the citizens .
They like the things as they are , and they will fight any change that encroach on their turf .
If you want to " rise up and slay " aristocracy , then you should throw your full support for this bridge to be rebuilt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a "power and wealth" angle to this story, but your angle ain't it.
At both end of this bridge is two of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Puget Sound; Montlake and Median.
Montlake and its west coastline neighborhoods of the Lake Washington is the "old Seattle money" and Medina and its east coast line neighborhoods are where the "new tech money" billionaires live (including Gates).
They have been waging a major battle against the 520 redesign for over a decade.
They do not want anything other than an exact replica of the current bridge (4 narrow lanes).
They have thrown numerous roadblocks against the redesign and fought the city hall for many many years with lawsuits and environmental challenges.
Now that all of those battle have been fought and lost, the same neighborhood association is now backing this new proposal since they know this would reboot the process and will tie up the contruction of the bridge for at least another decade.
Opposing this bridge is EXACTLY what is wrong with those with power and wealth.
They will not be inconvenienced one bit even if there is greater good for the vast majority of the citizens.
They like the things as they are, and they will fight any change that encroach on their turf.
If you want to "rise up and slay" aristocracy, then you should throw your full support for this bridge to be rebuilt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252128</id>
	<title>Re:So?</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1266926220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can only imagine you were modded funny because the first sentence is wrong. Or because of that second sentence sounds pretty ridiculous when you say it aloud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only imagine you were modded funny because the first sentence is wrong .
Or because of that second sentence sounds pretty ridiculous when you say it aloud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only imagine you were modded funny because the first sentence is wrong.
Or because of that second sentence sounds pretty ridiculous when you say it aloud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251248</id>
	<title>Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The changes Microsoft made to both Windows Vista and 7 have resulted in more CO2 savings that most other efforts combined. I am of course talking about the default and recommended power settings in Windows along with the "best practice" guidelines given to their corporate partners. Microsoft has also added support for power saving features to Windows ahead of what the hardware and or drivers in the market offered...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The changes Microsoft made to both Windows Vista and 7 have resulted in more CO2 savings that most other efforts combined .
I am of course talking about the default and recommended power settings in Windows along with the " best practice " guidelines given to their corporate partners .
Microsoft has also added support for power saving features to Windows ahead of what the hardware and or drivers in the market offered.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The changes Microsoft made to both Windows Vista and 7 have resulted in more CO2 savings that most other efforts combined.
I am of course talking about the default and recommended power settings in Windows along with the "best practice" guidelines given to their corporate partners.
Microsoft has also added support for power saving features to Windows ahead of what the hardware and or drivers in the market offered...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252956</id>
	<title>Re:Population Reduction</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1266930120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nope, but I'm comfortable with not having 5 children. So are most people in the first world, that is why our population isn't increasing at a horrific pace. When Africa reaches 1st world status they too will likely feel less obliged to have 5 children. Over time the planets population will slow to a stop and then reverse some before stabilizing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , but I 'm comfortable with not having 5 children .
So are most people in the first world , that is why our population is n't increasing at a horrific pace .
When Africa reaches 1st world status they too will likely feel less obliged to have 5 children .
Over time the planets population will slow to a stop and then reverse some before stabilizing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, but I'm comfortable with not having 5 children.
So are most people in the first world, that is why our population isn't increasing at a horrific pace.
When Africa reaches 1st world status they too will likely feel less obliged to have 5 children.
Over time the planets population will slow to a stop and then reverse some before stabilizing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31254966</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1266942060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bridge in question floats (one of the 2 longest floating bridges in the country I believe, certainly one of the first of any significant length) so it's unlikely to "fall into the water" per se. There's a pretty good chance that an earthquake could make it unusable in some other way though. Heck, opening the bridge to let a boat (a section of it swings open like a door, since a raised drawbridge would be impractical) through seems to knock the thing out of comission for repairs once or twice a year.</p><p>It is definitely a major route though; not just for Microsoft employees, but for anybody seeking to get from the east side (Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland) to the northern half of Seattle. There is another floating bridge a ways south, and you can go around the northern end of the lake if you don't mind a half-hour detour, but at rush hour all the routes are packed. When one of the bridges gets closed it gets *really* bad. It is very much in the best interest of Microsoft (or anybody else living/working in the area) to get an improved bridge in place ASAP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bridge in question floats ( one of the 2 longest floating bridges in the country I believe , certainly one of the first of any significant length ) so it 's unlikely to " fall into the water " per se .
There 's a pretty good chance that an earthquake could make it unusable in some other way though .
Heck , opening the bridge to let a boat ( a section of it swings open like a door , since a raised drawbridge would be impractical ) through seems to knock the thing out of comission for repairs once or twice a year.It is definitely a major route though ; not just for Microsoft employees , but for anybody seeking to get from the east side ( Redmond , Bellevue , Kirkland ) to the northern half of Seattle .
There is another floating bridge a ways south , and you can go around the northern end of the lake if you do n't mind a half-hour detour , but at rush hour all the routes are packed .
When one of the bridges gets closed it gets * really * bad .
It is very much in the best interest of Microsoft ( or anybody else living/working in the area ) to get an improved bridge in place ASAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bridge in question floats (one of the 2 longest floating bridges in the country I believe, certainly one of the first of any significant length) so it's unlikely to "fall into the water" per se.
There's a pretty good chance that an earthquake could make it unusable in some other way though.
Heck, opening the bridge to let a boat (a section of it swings open like a door, since a raised drawbridge would be impractical) through seems to knock the thing out of comission for repairs once or twice a year.It is definitely a major route though; not just for Microsoft employees, but for anybody seeking to get from the east side (Redmond, Bellevue, Kirkland) to the northern half of Seattle.
There is another floating bridge a ways south, and you can go around the northern end of the lake if you don't mind a half-hour detour, but at rush hour all the routes are packed.
When one of the bridges gets closed it gets *really* bad.
It is very much in the best interest of Microsoft (or anybody else living/working in the area) to get an improved bridge in place ASAP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255002</id>
	<title>Re:Did the submitter RTFA?</title>
	<author>Baloo Uriza</author>
	<datestamp>1266942360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure I'd consider future-proofing something by building additional real capacity into the design rather than just slapping some extra lanes on it and hoping for the best is such a good idea.  No matter what form of transportation you build, if you build it, they will come.  Want to increase the number of cars on a road?  Build more lanes, and they will come.  Want to increase the number of people moved in the same space?  <a href="http://www.mta.info/" title="mta.info" rel="nofollow">Build more quality transit, and they will come</a> [mta.info].  Want to promote individual mobility without wasting a ton of space on parking and extra lanes?  <a href="http://www.portlandbikenetwork.org/" title="portlandbikenetwork.org" rel="nofollow">Build safe, effective bicycle facilities, and they will come</a> [portlandbikenetwork.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure I 'd consider future-proofing something by building additional real capacity into the design rather than just slapping some extra lanes on it and hoping for the best is such a good idea .
No matter what form of transportation you build , if you build it , they will come .
Want to increase the number of cars on a road ?
Build more lanes , and they will come .
Want to increase the number of people moved in the same space ?
Build more quality transit , and they will come [ mta.info ] .
Want to promote individual mobility without wasting a ton of space on parking and extra lanes ?
Build safe , effective bicycle facilities , and they will come [ portlandbikenetwork.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure I'd consider future-proofing something by building additional real capacity into the design rather than just slapping some extra lanes on it and hoping for the best is such a good idea.
No matter what form of transportation you build, if you build it, they will come.
Want to increase the number of cars on a road?
Build more lanes, and they will come.
Want to increase the number of people moved in the same space?
Build more quality transit, and they will come [mta.info].
Want to promote individual mobility without wasting a ton of space on parking and extra lanes?
Build safe, effective bicycle facilities, and they will come [portlandbikenetwork.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251424</id>
	<title>Population Reduction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266923340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Around @ 4:00 he talks about using good vaccines, medicine and reproductive services to reduce population by 15\%. These kinds of people are disgusting and very dangerous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Around @ 4 : 00 he talks about using good vaccines , medicine and reproductive services to reduce population by 15 \ % .
These kinds of people are disgusting and very dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Around @ 4:00 he talks about using good vaccines, medicine and reproductive services to reduce population by 15\%.
These kinds of people are disgusting and very dangerous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251384</id>
	<title>Have you ever travelled on 520?</title>
	<author>SeattleGameboy</author>
	<datestamp>1266923160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, do you even live in Seattle? Do you know what 520 bridge is like? Do you even know all the politics around this bridge redesign?

No? Then, STFU!!!

This bridge goes through VERY wealthy neighborhoods on both sides of the bridge. These neighborhoods have been dead set against ANY expansion of the bridge and they have been backing any and all candidates with proposals that would delay the contructions of the new bridge. These redesigns have been decades in making, while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.

The sucker needs to get replaces ASAP. It does not matter if it is 6 lanes or 8 lanes. It needs to move forward for the good of all people living in the Puget Sound area.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , do you even live in Seattle ?
Do you know what 520 bridge is like ?
Do you even know all the politics around this bridge redesign ?
No ? Then , STFU ! ! !
This bridge goes through VERY wealthy neighborhoods on both sides of the bridge .
These neighborhoods have been dead set against ANY expansion of the bridge and they have been backing any and all candidates with proposals that would delay the contructions of the new bridge .
These redesigns have been decades in making , while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm .
The sucker needs to get replaces ASAP .
It does not matter if it is 6 lanes or 8 lanes .
It needs to move forward for the good of all people living in the Puget Sound area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, do you even live in Seattle?
Do you know what 520 bridge is like?
Do you even know all the politics around this bridge redesign?
No? Then, STFU!!!
This bridge goes through VERY wealthy neighborhoods on both sides of the bridge.
These neighborhoods have been dead set against ANY expansion of the bridge and they have been backing any and all candidates with proposals that would delay the contructions of the new bridge.
These redesigns have been decades in making, while the bridge is hanging by the thread on every major windstorm.
The sucker needs to get replaces ASAP.
It does not matter if it is 6 lanes or 8 lanes.
It needs to move forward for the good of all people living in the Puget Sound area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251360</id>
	<title>Did the submitter RTFA?</title>
	<author>Suiggy</author>
	<datestamp>1266923040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft isn't opposing the bridge design. They're opposing further delay on starting the bridge project. They're for the bridge redesign, not against it.
<p>
First line in the article.
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft took out a full-page color ad in the Seattle Times today opposing any further &ldquo;delay&rdquo; on replacing the SR-520 bridge</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is n't opposing the bridge design .
They 're opposing further delay on starting the bridge project .
They 're for the bridge redesign , not against it .
First line in the article .
Microsoft took out a full-page color ad in the Seattle Times today opposing any further    delay    on replacing the SR-520 bridge</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft isn't opposing the bridge design.
They're opposing further delay on starting the bridge project.
They're for the bridge redesign, not against it.
First line in the article.
Microsoft took out a full-page color ad in the Seattle Times today opposing any further “delay” on replacing the SR-520 bridge
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251922</id>
	<title>Very Funny</title>
	<author>Donmartini</author>
	<datestamp>1266925200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would be the end of life as we know it. Quite literally, as a matter of fact, since we're all made of carbon.

Laughed at this so hard, very funny</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be the end of life as we know it .
Quite literally , as a matter of fact , since we 're all made of carbon .
Laughed at this so hard , very funny</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be the end of life as we know it.
Quite literally, as a matter of fact, since we're all made of carbon.
Laughed at this so hard, very funny</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251596</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1266924000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think 'zero-carbon energy' implies that we could no longer use humans as fuel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think 'zero-carbon energy ' implies that we could no longer use humans as fuel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think 'zero-carbon energy' implies that we could no longer use humans as fuel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31255902</id>
	<title>I drive that bridge every day...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266950340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and the reason Microsoft is against it is the reason every other reasonable person is against it -- the cost is tremendous, and the return benefits only 1 to 2 percent of the population.  Everybody else drives.  This isn't Microsoft being anti-green, it's Microsoft being pro-efficiency.</p><p>Yes, I work for a software company in Redmond, but it isn't Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and the reason Microsoft is against it is the reason every other reasonable person is against it -- the cost is tremendous , and the return benefits only 1 to 2 percent of the population .
Everybody else drives .
This is n't Microsoft being anti-green , it 's Microsoft being pro-efficiency.Yes , I work for a software company in Redmond , but it is n't Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and the reason Microsoft is against it is the reason every other reasonable person is against it -- the cost is tremendous, and the return benefits only 1 to 2 percent of the population.
Everybody else drives.
This isn't Microsoft being anti-green, it's Microsoft being pro-efficiency.Yes, I work for a software company in Redmond, but it isn't Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253316</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>CrimsonAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1266931800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They're opposing any further delay for replacing an old, existing bridge. There is already an approved design for the new bridge, but some want to change the design to accommodate more HOV and public-transit lanes.</p></div></blockquote><p>So, they're opposed to a redesign that will delay completion of the bridge by some unspecified amount.  Given that a fair chunk of their workforce is going to be more or less inconvenienced by that construction, it makes sense for them to favour the quicker option.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're opposing any further delay for replacing an old , existing bridge .
There is already an approved design for the new bridge , but some want to change the design to accommodate more HOV and public-transit lanes.So , they 're opposed to a redesign that will delay completion of the bridge by some unspecified amount .
Given that a fair chunk of their workforce is going to be more or less inconvenienced by that construction , it makes sense for them to favour the quicker option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're opposing any further delay for replacing an old, existing bridge.
There is already an approved design for the new bridge, but some want to change the design to accommodate more HOV and public-transit lanes.So, they're opposed to a redesign that will delay completion of the bridge by some unspecified amount.
Given that a fair chunk of their workforce is going to be more or less inconvenienced by that construction, it makes sense for them to favour the quicker option.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252028</id>
	<title>Re:Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266925740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>See also Al Gore's</p></div></blockquote><p>Hey, I know that guy... he's that "An Inconvenient Truth" dude who wasn't a president, right?</p><blockquote><div><p>and The Governator's</p></div></blockquote><p>That's that actor-turned-governor of california who's jumping up and down about going 'green', yeah?</p><blockquote><div><p>mansion</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>private jet commute from Malibu to Sacramento.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh those hypocritical bastards!  Why, that makes me so angry, this very hypocrisy is going to make me want to spread the word about what they're saying, and just how they're completely not acting like they listen to themselves!  RAR!</p><blockquote><div><p>Contrast with Ed Begley Jr, who seems to practice what he preaches</p></div></blockquote><p>Ed who?</p><blockquote><div><p>Good PR does more to protect their aristocracy than making sacrifices -- the PR is all that the serfs know of the nobles.</p></div></blockquote><p>Maybe good PR from people who actually -can- effect PR on a grand scale helps in people's awareness of the issues as well... be that what they preach (The Inconvenient Truth, movie) or the skepticism of what they preach (every fricken blog about global warming just days after that movie was released, and some -before-).</p><p>While other people... well.. Ed who?</p><p>If it takes a handful of well-known characters preaching A but apparently practicing B, for there to be hundreds of people preaching -and- practicing A, or at least trying, then I suggest that's not an altogether -bad- thing.</p><p>Certainly Ed can't ever travel anywhere other than within the northern American continent to speak to live audiences.. and even then his electric car still seems to be powered off the mains rather than from his array of solar panels... and most of the mains electric still comes from coal plants and the like, so I'm not even too sure about that one... and if he were to broadcast over the web, imagine all the impact from the computers of people watching that video online, and the servers that are relaying the video's data, etc.</p><p>Still.. good on him - if for no other reason than that some people who don't really care about the environment, but don't mind that being a side-benefit of having much lower bills each month, may get inspired.</p></div>
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<tokenext>See also Al Gore'sHey , I know that guy... he 's that " An Inconvenient Truth " dude who was n't a president , right ? and The Governator'sThat 's that actor-turned-governor of california who 's jumping up and down about going 'green ' , yeah ? mansionprivate jet commute from Malibu to Sacramento.Oh those hypocritical bastards !
Why , that makes me so angry , this very hypocrisy is going to make me want to spread the word about what they 're saying , and just how they 're completely not acting like they listen to themselves !
RAR ! Contrast with Ed Begley Jr , who seems to practice what he preachesEd who ? Good PR does more to protect their aristocracy than making sacrifices -- the PR is all that the serfs know of the nobles.Maybe good PR from people who actually -can- effect PR on a grand scale helps in people 's awareness of the issues as well... be that what they preach ( The Inconvenient Truth , movie ) or the skepticism of what they preach ( every fricken blog about global warming just days after that movie was released , and some -before- ) .While other people... well.. Ed who ? If it takes a handful of well-known characters preaching A but apparently practicing B , for there to be hundreds of people preaching -and- practicing A , or at least trying , then I suggest that 's not an altogether -bad- thing.Certainly Ed ca n't ever travel anywhere other than within the northern American continent to speak to live audiences.. and even then his electric car still seems to be powered off the mains rather than from his array of solar panels... and most of the mains electric still comes from coal plants and the like , so I 'm not even too sure about that one... and if he were to broadcast over the web , imagine all the impact from the computers of people watching that video online , and the servers that are relaying the video 's data , etc.Still.. good on him - if for no other reason than that some people who do n't really care about the environment , but do n't mind that being a side-benefit of having much lower bills each month , may get inspired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See also Al Gore'sHey, I know that guy... he's that "An Inconvenient Truth" dude who wasn't a president, right?and The Governator'sThat's that actor-turned-governor of california who's jumping up and down about going 'green', yeah?mansionprivate jet commute from Malibu to Sacramento.Oh those hypocritical bastards!
Why, that makes me so angry, this very hypocrisy is going to make me want to spread the word about what they're saying, and just how they're completely not acting like they listen to themselves!
RAR!Contrast with Ed Begley Jr, who seems to practice what he preachesEd who?Good PR does more to protect their aristocracy than making sacrifices -- the PR is all that the serfs know of the nobles.Maybe good PR from people who actually -can- effect PR on a grand scale helps in people's awareness of the issues as well... be that what they preach (The Inconvenient Truth, movie) or the skepticism of what they preach (every fricken blog about global warming just days after that movie was released, and some -before-).While other people... well.. Ed who?If it takes a handful of well-known characters preaching A but apparently practicing B, for there to be hundreds of people preaching -and- practicing A, or at least trying, then I suggest that's not an altogether -bad- thing.Certainly Ed can't ever travel anywhere other than within the northern American continent to speak to live audiences.. and even then his electric car still seems to be powered off the mains rather than from his array of solar panels... and most of the mains electric still comes from coal plants and the like, so I'm not even too sure about that one... and if he were to broadcast over the web, imagine all the impact from the computers of people watching that video online, and the servers that are relaying the video's data, etc.Still.. good on him - if for no other reason than that some people who don't really care about the environment, but don't mind that being a side-benefit of having much lower bills each month, may get inspired.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252212</id>
	<title>as a daily 520 commuter...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266926700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I commute across this bridge everyday and this is a stupid article. The bridge just needs to be replaced, even expanding it is stupid because there is NEVER a slow down ON the bridge, it's always before or after, not on. There's two lanes leading up to the bridge each way, not 3, not 4, putting that many on the bridge is absolutely insane. MS is right on this, get the fing bridge replaced and stock cocking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I commute across this bridge everyday and this is a stupid article .
The bridge just needs to be replaced , even expanding it is stupid because there is NEVER a slow down ON the bridge , it 's always before or after , not on .
There 's two lanes leading up to the bridge each way , not 3 , not 4 , putting that many on the bridge is absolutely insane .
MS is right on this , get the fing bridge replaced and stock cocking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I commute across this bridge everyday and this is a stupid article.
The bridge just needs to be replaced, even expanding it is stupid because there is NEVER a slow down ON the bridge, it's always before or after, not on.
There's two lanes leading up to the bridge each way, not 3, not 4, putting that many on the bridge is absolutely insane.
MS is right on this, get the fing bridge replaced and stock cocking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251572</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266923880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trolling? Not trolling, just another typical kdawson story.</p><p>If you don't want to read any more stories like this one, disable stories from kdawson.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trolling ?
Not trolling , just another typical kdawson story.If you do n't want to read any more stories like this one , disable stories from kdawson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trolling?
Not trolling, just another typical kdawson story.If you don't want to read any more stories like this one, disable stories from kdawson.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31262272</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Mordac</author>
	<datestamp>1265138460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, not all of us tree huggers are anti-Nuclear. We do have to counter protest Nuclear Power Plants and explain how much better and safer it is than the current situation. We try and get their attention by explaining that Wind Energy causes more human deaths than Nuclear Power. Heck, we even try and explain what Half-Life really means so people don't freak out over stuff with a half-life in the millions of years (hint, bring a glow stick.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , not all of us tree huggers are anti-Nuclear .
We do have to counter protest Nuclear Power Plants and explain how much better and safer it is than the current situation .
We try and get their attention by explaining that Wind Energy causes more human deaths than Nuclear Power .
Heck , we even try and explain what Half-Life really means so people do n't freak out over stuff with a half-life in the millions of years ( hint , bring a glow stick .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, not all of us tree huggers are anti-Nuclear.
We do have to counter protest Nuclear Power Plants and explain how much better and safer it is than the current situation.
We try and get their attention by explaining that Wind Energy causes more human deaths than Nuclear Power.
Heck, we even try and explain what Half-Life really means so people don't freak out over stuff with a half-life in the millions of years (hint, bring a glow stick.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31256340</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>Calinous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows Vista forced an early upgrade (upgrade computers that are already working) - and new computers are energy intensive, so CO2 intensive.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Think of it this way: If I could have hold on my computer for 5 years, in 10 years I buy 2 computers. If I am forced to upgrade every three years, I must buy 3 computers in the same time.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Just like buying a new car can be more carbon intensive (and more expensive) than using the old car you already have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows Vista forced an early upgrade ( upgrade computers that are already working ) - and new computers are energy intensive , so CO2 intensive .
      Think of it this way : If I could have hold on my computer for 5 years , in 10 years I buy 2 computers .
If I am forced to upgrade every three years , I must buy 3 computers in the same time .
      Just like buying a new car can be more carbon intensive ( and more expensive ) than using the old car you already have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows Vista forced an early upgrade (upgrade computers that are already working) - and new computers are energy intensive, so CO2 intensive.
      Think of it this way: If I could have hold on my computer for 5 years, in 10 years I buy 2 computers.
If I am forced to upgrade every three years, I must buy 3 computers in the same time.
      Just like buying a new car can be more carbon intensive (and more expensive) than using the old car you already have.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253148</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1266931080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Curses!  Bill GATES, you win this time!  But next time, my human-powered doomsday machine will SEQUESTER its carbon!  Muahahaha!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Curses !
Bill GATES , you win this time !
But next time , my human-powered doomsday machine will SEQUESTER its carbon !
Muahahaha ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Curses!
Bill GATES, you win this time!
But next time, my human-powered doomsday machine will SEQUESTER its carbon!
Muahahaha!!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252680</id>
	<title>Re:only 2 general lanes?</title>
	<author>AuMatar</author>
	<datestamp>1266928860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the main bridge connecting Seattle and Bellevue, the 2nd biggest job center in the area.  The highway then continues on to Redmond, which is where MS lives.  It'll help MS employees, but it will help tens of thousands of other area workers as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the main bridge connecting Seattle and Bellevue , the 2nd biggest job center in the area .
The highway then continues on to Redmond , which is where MS lives .
It 'll help MS employees , but it will help tens of thousands of other area workers as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the main bridge connecting Seattle and Bellevue, the 2nd biggest job center in the area.
The highway then continues on to Redmond, which is where MS lives.
It'll help MS employees, but it will help tens of thousands of other area workers as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252338</id>
	<title>Re:Devil's advocate</title>
	<author>GNUALMAFUERTE</author>
	<datestamp>1266927240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have that same knee-jerk reaction, but only when it's pronounced nu-cu-lear</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have that same knee-jerk reaction , but only when it 's pronounced nu-cu-lear</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have that same knee-jerk reaction, but only when it's pronounced nu-cu-lear</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251316</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go and sequester yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go and sequester yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go and sequester yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251562</id>
	<title>Re:Did the submitter RTFA?</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1266923880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft isn't opposing the bridge design. They're opposing further delay on starting the bridge project. They're for the bridge redesign, not against it.</p></div><p>Microsoft is opposing a re-redesign of the bridge.<br>Mostly because they want it built sooner rather than later.</p><p>Feature creep is how most any type of project can destroy its schedule and end up over budget.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Microsoft is n't opposing the bridge design .
They 're opposing further delay on starting the bridge project .
They 're for the bridge redesign , not against it.Microsoft is opposing a re-redesign of the bridge.Mostly because they want it built sooner rather than later.Feature creep is how most any type of project can destroy its schedule and end up over budget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft isn't opposing the bridge design.
They're opposing further delay on starting the bridge project.
They're for the bridge redesign, not against it.Microsoft is opposing a re-redesign of the bridge.Mostly because they want it built sooner rather than later.Feature creep is how most any type of project can destroy its schedule and end up over budget.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31258050</id>
	<title>Re:troll...</title>
	<author>Dominic</author>
	<datestamp>1265117820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can pedestrians use the bridge? I guess there must be a walkway, otherwise how do people get to safety if they break down? Seems like a good business opportunity for a bus route - drop people one end, they walk accross, then get a bus to continue the journey the other end. A ten minute walk sounds better than sitting in traffic for half an hour, and would be good for people too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can pedestrians use the bridge ?
I guess there must be a walkway , otherwise how do people get to safety if they break down ?
Seems like a good business opportunity for a bus route - drop people one end , they walk accross , then get a bus to continue the journey the other end .
A ten minute walk sounds better than sitting in traffic for half an hour , and would be good for people too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can pedestrians use the bridge?
I guess there must be a walkway, otherwise how do people get to safety if they break down?
Seems like a good business opportunity for a bus route - drop people one end, they walk accross, then get a bus to continue the journey the other end.
A ten minute walk sounds better than sitting in traffic for half an hour, and would be good for people too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251252</id>
	<title>troll...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266922740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Without reading anything...this sounds like trolling.<p>

There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to oppose a bridge that may well be a bad idea to build.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without reading anything...this sounds like trolling .
There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to oppose a bridge that may well be a bad idea to build .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without reading anything...this sounds like trolling.
There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to oppose a bridge that may well be a bad idea to build.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252660</id>
	<title>But what's their 420 proposal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really, dude. What does MS propose to do about the 420?! Yeah, just as I thought, they're smokin' their own stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , dude .
What does MS propose to do about the 420 ? !
Yeah , just as I thought , they 're smokin ' their own stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, dude.
What does MS propose to do about the 420?!
Yeah, just as I thought, they're smokin' their own stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31257384</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Terminus32</author>
	<datestamp>1265110140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>From watching Alex Jones' <i>EndGame</i> documentary I learned that Bill Gates <b>does</b> support eugenics studies - so wiping out 80\% of the population is in his best interests!</htmltext>
<tokenext>From watching Alex Jones ' EndGame documentary I learned that Bill Gates does support eugenics studies - so wiping out 80 \ % of the population is in his best interests !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From watching Alex Jones' EndGame documentary I learned that Bill Gates does support eugenics studies - so wiping out 80\% of the population is in his best interests!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31258040</id>
	<title>Redesign the bridge?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265117580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about living closer to work? Okay, so it's expensive there. It's also expensive to retrofit the bridge. Why should everyone have to pay instead of just the people who need to cross the bridge? If you have to cross the bridge every day, <em>move</em>.</p><p>Now with that said, Bill Gates campaigning for lower CO2 emissions is complete bullshit. Remember how the Gates foundation was shown to be investing for-profit in organizations causing respiratory illness in the very people they were immunizing? And then they issued a statement saying they would review their investments for this kind of evil, and then issued another statement saying they wouldn't because it was too hard? <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/07/nation/na-gatesx07" title="latimes.com">It's only been three years</a> [latimes.com], let's try to have a longer memory. This is hypocrisy at its purest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about living closer to work ?
Okay , so it 's expensive there .
It 's also expensive to retrofit the bridge .
Why should everyone have to pay instead of just the people who need to cross the bridge ?
If you have to cross the bridge every day , move.Now with that said , Bill Gates campaigning for lower CO2 emissions is complete bullshit .
Remember how the Gates foundation was shown to be investing for-profit in organizations causing respiratory illness in the very people they were immunizing ?
And then they issued a statement saying they would review their investments for this kind of evil , and then issued another statement saying they would n't because it was too hard ?
It 's only been three years [ latimes.com ] , let 's try to have a longer memory .
This is hypocrisy at its purest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about living closer to work?
Okay, so it's expensive there.
It's also expensive to retrofit the bridge.
Why should everyone have to pay instead of just the people who need to cross the bridge?
If you have to cross the bridge every day, move.Now with that said, Bill Gates campaigning for lower CO2 emissions is complete bullshit.
Remember how the Gates foundation was shown to be investing for-profit in organizations causing respiratory illness in the very people they were immunizing?
And then they issued a statement saying they would review their investments for this kind of evil, and then issued another statement saying they wouldn't because it was too hard?
It's only been three years [latimes.com], let's try to have a longer memory.
This is hypocrisy at its purest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252864</id>
	<title>This topic is flamebait.</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1266929700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does this indicate that Microsoft isn't green?</p><p>Maybe Microsoft is simply looking at the reality: there is no incentive for people who might cross that bridge to use public transit. People who are able to afford a lengthy daily drive to work are also likely to be able to justify not sitting another 20+ minutes on a bus/train with strangers.</p><p>Also, public transit has shown to do one thing very well in the US: bring criminals from their urban homes to suburbia where they can commit crimes and then hop back on the train in time for dinner.</p><p>Upper-middle-class people do not ride on public transit unless it is very, very clean, safe, and private. (This is partially because train lines seem to typically go from urban downtown to their pleasant neighborhoods, resulting in urban scum coming out to deal drugs and expand their turf in the relatively safe 'burbs.)</p><p>Maybe Microsoft is opposed to the lengthy extensions to the bill proposing public transit because said public transit would then come out of the Redmond tax coffers.</p><p>There's probably close to a half dozen plausible reasons why MS might be opposed to this bridge, and it has nothing to do with how "Green" they are.</p><p>Why don't you call them "Reds" and have McCarthy go after them? (That's what this Green bullshit is becoming - the New McCarthyism.)</p><p>I'm going to go burn some tires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does this indicate that Microsoft is n't green ? Maybe Microsoft is simply looking at the reality : there is no incentive for people who might cross that bridge to use public transit .
People who are able to afford a lengthy daily drive to work are also likely to be able to justify not sitting another 20 + minutes on a bus/train with strangers.Also , public transit has shown to do one thing very well in the US : bring criminals from their urban homes to suburbia where they can commit crimes and then hop back on the train in time for dinner.Upper-middle-class people do not ride on public transit unless it is very , very clean , safe , and private .
( This is partially because train lines seem to typically go from urban downtown to their pleasant neighborhoods , resulting in urban scum coming out to deal drugs and expand their turf in the relatively safe 'burbs .
) Maybe Microsoft is opposed to the lengthy extensions to the bill proposing public transit because said public transit would then come out of the Redmond tax coffers.There 's probably close to a half dozen plausible reasons why MS might be opposed to this bridge , and it has nothing to do with how " Green " they are.Why do n't you call them " Reds " and have McCarthy go after them ?
( That 's what this Green bullshit is becoming - the New McCarthyism .
) I 'm going to go burn some tires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does this indicate that Microsoft isn't green?Maybe Microsoft is simply looking at the reality: there is no incentive for people who might cross that bridge to use public transit.
People who are able to afford a lengthy daily drive to work are also likely to be able to justify not sitting another 20+ minutes on a bus/train with strangers.Also, public transit has shown to do one thing very well in the US: bring criminals from their urban homes to suburbia where they can commit crimes and then hop back on the train in time for dinner.Upper-middle-class people do not ride on public transit unless it is very, very clean, safe, and private.
(This is partially because train lines seem to typically go from urban downtown to their pleasant neighborhoods, resulting in urban scum coming out to deal drugs and expand their turf in the relatively safe 'burbs.
)Maybe Microsoft is opposed to the lengthy extensions to the bill proposing public transit because said public transit would then come out of the Redmond tax coffers.There's probably close to a half dozen plausible reasons why MS might be opposed to this bridge, and it has nothing to do with how "Green" they are.Why don't you call them "Reds" and have McCarthy go after them?
(That's what this Green bullshit is becoming - the New McCarthyism.
)I'm going to go burn some tires.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251862</id>
	<title>Re:Not Contradictory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266924960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Emphasis mine:<blockquote><div><p>The rich and famous are only required to appear as though they want a better future, or <b>we would rise up and slay them</b>.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh come on, we would do no such thing.  We don't live in a D&amp;D fantasy world, we don't live in some silly movie.  We would just go about our business and grumble and complain about one more thing.  The rich and famous get away with whatever they want because we (in general) envy them.  End of story.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Emphasis mine : The rich and famous are only required to appear as though they want a better future , or we would rise up and slay them.Oh come on , we would do no such thing .
We do n't live in a D&amp;D fantasy world , we do n't live in some silly movie .
We would just go about our business and grumble and complain about one more thing .
The rich and famous get away with whatever they want because we ( in general ) envy them .
End of story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emphasis mine:The rich and famous are only required to appear as though they want a better future, or we would rise up and slay them.Oh come on, we would do no such thing.
We don't live in a D&amp;D fantasy world, we don't live in some silly movie.
We would just go about our business and grumble and complain about one more thing.
The rich and famous get away with whatever they want because we (in general) envy them.
End of story.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251466</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31253600</id>
	<title>Microsoft's Balls of Steel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266933300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad they're getting involved, since their employees will be a significant portion of the traffic on the bridge. It takes balls of steel to buy full page ads in the Seattle Times trying to dictate how our local tax dollars should be spent when <b>they are over $1.2 BILLION behind on their own state taxes.</b> Washington state is currently facing a budget shortfall of $2.8 billion... and Microsoft's pet congresscritter is sponsoring legislation to give them amnesty on the $1.2B in back taxes and a $100M/year tax break going forward.
<br> <br>
Hey Microsoft: sinc you care so much, how about if you pay for the bridge?
<br> <br>
<a href="http://microsofttaxdodge.com/" title="microsofttaxdodge.com" rel="nofollow">http://microsofttaxdodge.com/</a> [microsofttaxdodge.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad they 're getting involved , since their employees will be a significant portion of the traffic on the bridge .
It takes balls of steel to buy full page ads in the Seattle Times trying to dictate how our local tax dollars should be spent when they are over $ 1.2 BILLION behind on their own state taxes .
Washington state is currently facing a budget shortfall of $ 2.8 billion... and Microsoft 's pet congresscritter is sponsoring legislation to give them amnesty on the $ 1.2B in back taxes and a $ 100M/year tax break going forward .
Hey Microsoft : sinc you care so much , how about if you pay for the bridge ?
http : //microsofttaxdodge.com/ [ microsofttaxdodge.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad they're getting involved, since their employees will be a significant portion of the traffic on the bridge.
It takes balls of steel to buy full page ads in the Seattle Times trying to dictate how our local tax dollars should be spent when they are over $1.2 BILLION behind on their own state taxes.
Washington state is currently facing a budget shortfall of $2.8 billion... and Microsoft's pet congresscritter is sponsoring legislation to give them amnesty on the $1.2B in back taxes and a $100M/year tax break going forward.
Hey Microsoft: sinc you care so much, how about if you pay for the bridge?
http://microsofttaxdodge.com/ [microsofttaxdodge.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31252224</id>
	<title>Re:wait, what...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266926760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But that also means no Soylent Green then either... Me like eating green...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But that also means no Soylent Green then either... Me like eating green.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that also means no Soylent Green then either... Me like eating green...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251596</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2036231.31251800</id>
	<title>Very loose correlation.</title>
	<author>Xeno man</author>
	<datestamp>1266924720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's pretty much a non story, and I think most agree since nearly every commenter so far hasn't bothered to RTFA and proved it with ignorant comments. <br> <br>

Basically Bill Gates gives a talk about the environment and says we need to burn hippies for energy (or something with nuclear power, I haven't watched the video yet) and people cheer.<br>
Microsoft, which Bill Gates has next to nothing to do with anymore, says to the city, stop fucking around and build the bridge you have been planing since forever before the old one falls down, but because some hippies want to make last minute design changes like powering the lights with bicycles (or maybe adding more HOV lanes or something) which would mean redoing a lot of work and added years of delays, somehow makes Microsoft anti environment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's pretty much a non story , and I think most agree since nearly every commenter so far has n't bothered to RTFA and proved it with ignorant comments .
Basically Bill Gates gives a talk about the environment and says we need to burn hippies for energy ( or something with nuclear power , I have n't watched the video yet ) and people cheer .
Microsoft , which Bill Gates has next to nothing to do with anymore , says to the city , stop fucking around and build the bridge you have been planing since forever before the old one falls down , but because some hippies want to make last minute design changes like powering the lights with bicycles ( or maybe adding more HOV lanes or something ) which would mean redoing a lot of work and added years of delays , somehow makes Microsoft anti environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's pretty much a non story, and I think most agree since nearly every commenter so far hasn't bothered to RTFA and proved it with ignorant comments.
Basically Bill Gates gives a talk about the environment and says we need to burn hippies for energy (or something with nuclear power, I haven't watched the video yet) and people cheer.
Microsoft, which Bill Gates has next to nothing to do with anymore, says to the city, stop fucking around and build the bridge you have been planing since forever before the old one falls down, but because some hippies want to make last minute design changes like powering the lights with bicycles (or maybe adding more HOV lanes or something) which would mean redoing a lot of work and added years of delays, somehow makes Microsoft anti environment.</sentencetext>
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