<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_23_2030207</id>
	<title>Federal Judge Orders Schools To Stop Laptop Spying</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1266922980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>CWmike writes <i>"A federal judge on Monday ordered the <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/20/1445216/FBI-Probing-PA-School-Webcam-Spy-Case">Pennsylvania school district accused of spying</a> on its students to <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9160878/Federal\_judge\_orders\_Pa.\_schools\_to\_stop\_laptop\_spying">stop activating the cameras in school-issued MacBook laptops</a>. According to the original complaint, Blake Robbins was accused by a Harriton High School assistant principal of 'improper behavior in his home' and shown a photograph taken by his laptop as evidence. In an <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/20/earlyshow/saturday/main6226260.shtml?tag=latest">appearance on network television</a> last Saturday, Robbins said he was accused by the assistant principal of selling drugs and taking pills &mdash; but he claimed the pictures taken by his computer's camera showed him <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/22/1814248/School-Spying-Scandal-Gets-Even-More-Bizarre">eating candy</a>. Also on Monday, the company selling the software used by the school district to allegedly spy on its students blasted <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9160278/Software\_maker\_blasts\_vigilantism\_in\_Pa.\_school\_spying\_case?source=toc">what it called laptop theft-recovery 'vigilantism.'</a>"</i> jamie found two posts from stryde.hax pointing out <a href="http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/spy-at-harrington-high.html">suggestive information about one school district network administrator</a>, and coaching students <a href="http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/network-fingerprint-for-lanrev-trojan.html">how to determine if their school-issued laptops were infected</a> with the LANRev software used to operate the cameras remotely and in secret.</htmltext>
<tokenext>CWmike writes " A federal judge on Monday ordered the Pennsylvania school district accused of spying on its students to stop activating the cameras in school-issued MacBook laptops .
According to the original complaint , Blake Robbins was accused by a Harriton High School assistant principal of 'improper behavior in his home ' and shown a photograph taken by his laptop as evidence .
In an appearance on network television last Saturday , Robbins said he was accused by the assistant principal of selling drugs and taking pills    but he claimed the pictures taken by his computer 's camera showed him eating candy .
Also on Monday , the company selling the software used by the school district to allegedly spy on its students blasted what it called laptop theft-recovery 'vigilantism .
' " jamie found two posts from stryde.hax pointing out suggestive information about one school district network administrator , and coaching students how to determine if their school-issued laptops were infected with the LANRev software used to operate the cameras remotely and in secret .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CWmike writes "A federal judge on Monday ordered the Pennsylvania school district accused of spying on its students to stop activating the cameras in school-issued MacBook laptops.
According to the original complaint, Blake Robbins was accused by a Harriton High School assistant principal of 'improper behavior in his home' and shown a photograph taken by his laptop as evidence.
In an appearance on network television last Saturday, Robbins said he was accused by the assistant principal of selling drugs and taking pills — but he claimed the pictures taken by his computer's camera showed him eating candy.
Also on Monday, the company selling the software used by the school district to allegedly spy on its students blasted what it called laptop theft-recovery 'vigilantism.
'" jamie found two posts from stryde.hax pointing out suggestive information about one school district network administrator, and coaching students how to determine if their school-issued laptops were infected with the LANRev software used to operate the cameras remotely and in secret.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254516</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266938940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be a software developer.  While technically fulfilling what was asked for, you managed to satisfy none of the goals of the request.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be a software developer .
While technically fulfilling what was asked for , you managed to satisfy none of the goals of the request .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be a software developer.
While technically fulfilling what was asked for, you managed to satisfy none of the goals of the request.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31260630</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd go one better - I'd print out a very small image of something either offensive or "improper", and tape that over the camera.  Not sure if it would work, but every time they take a picture they get something to remind them they're a bunch of dillweeds.  That way, either they have to just suck it up, or admit that they're doing something they shouldn't be...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd go one better - I 'd print out a very small image of something either offensive or " improper " , and tape that over the camera .
Not sure if it would work , but every time they take a picture they get something to remind them they 're a bunch of dillweeds .
That way , either they have to just suck it up , or admit that they 're doing something they should n't be.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd go one better - I'd print out a very small image of something either offensive or "improper", and tape that over the camera.
Not sure if it would work, but every time they take a picture they get something to remind them they're a bunch of dillweeds.
That way, either they have to just suck it up, or admit that they're doing something they shouldn't be...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254252</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1266937080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tape?  Tape can fall off.  I'd drill the frigging thing out...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tape ?
Tape can fall off .
I 'd drill the frigging thing out.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tape?
Tape can fall off.
I'd drill the frigging thing out...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31261478</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district</i></p><p>And they should not only seek civil damages, those damages should be awarded.</p><p><i>where does that money come from? The school district, and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school.<br></i><br>The people in that district shouldn't have been so stupid as to elect a mentally retarded board of ed. Those voters deserve what they get. Take the man in the wheelchair who was brutally beaten by Chicago cops in the Chicago police station, do you think he doesn't deserve to be awarded damages just because it might cost Chicago a few programs?</p><p><i>I hope that the parents and other involved parties realize that a civil judgment against the school district awarding significant damages will not help anyone.</i></p><p>It will certainly help <b>them</b>, and if the district doesn't suffer from this, what's to keep them from doing something even more egregious?</p><p><i>to see this go to the point where lawyers are making tens of thousands in pursuit of a civil reward is unjust as well.</i></p><p>The laywers typically get 30\% of a settlement or 50\% if there is a trial. If I were one of those parents you can bet your wife's ass I'd be hiring a lawyer! That is, after all, what lawyers are for.</p><p><i>It does the school district and students no good when the goal is to cease the activity and create a better school district.</i></p><p>Without punishment, what will cause this arrogant behavior to cease? Nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school districtAnd they should not only seek civil damages , those damages should be awarded.where does that money come from ?
The school district , and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school.The people in that district should n't have been so stupid as to elect a mentally retarded board of ed .
Those voters deserve what they get .
Take the man in the wheelchair who was brutally beaten by Chicago cops in the Chicago police station , do you think he does n't deserve to be awarded damages just because it might cost Chicago a few programs ? I hope that the parents and other involved parties realize that a civil judgment against the school district awarding significant damages will not help anyone.It will certainly help them , and if the district does n't suffer from this , what 's to keep them from doing something even more egregious ? to see this go to the point where lawyers are making tens of thousands in pursuit of a civil reward is unjust as well.The laywers typically get 30 \ % of a settlement or 50 \ % if there is a trial .
If I were one of those parents you can bet your wife 's ass I 'd be hiring a lawyer !
That is , after all , what lawyers are for.It does the school district and students no good when the goal is to cease the activity and create a better school district.Without punishment , what will cause this arrogant behavior to cease ?
Nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school districtAnd they should not only seek civil damages, those damages should be awarded.where does that money come from?
The school district, and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school.The people in that district shouldn't have been so stupid as to elect a mentally retarded board of ed.
Those voters deserve what they get.
Take the man in the wheelchair who was brutally beaten by Chicago cops in the Chicago police station, do you think he doesn't deserve to be awarded damages just because it might cost Chicago a few programs?I hope that the parents and other involved parties realize that a civil judgment against the school district awarding significant damages will not help anyone.It will certainly help them, and if the district doesn't suffer from this, what's to keep them from doing something even more egregious?to see this go to the point where lawyers are making tens of thousands in pursuit of a civil reward is unjust as well.The laywers typically get 30\% of a settlement or 50\% if there is a trial.
If I were one of those parents you can bet your wife's ass I'd be hiring a lawyer!
That is, after all, what lawyers are for.It does the school district and students no good when the goal is to cease the activity and create a better school district.Without punishment, what will cause this arrogant behavior to cease?
Nothing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257210</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1265108100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You lot have no imagination.<br><br>Print a tiny 3mm picture of the Goatse at tape that to the lens.<br><br>(Lens focus doesn't exist in my imagination land)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You lot have no imagination.Print a tiny 3mm picture of the Goatse at tape that to the lens .
( Lens focus does n't exist in my imagination land )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You lot have no imagination.Print a tiny 3mm picture of the Goatse at tape that to the lens.
(Lens focus doesn't exist in my imagination land)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253466</id>
	<title>Will schools be foreced to have systems no webcam</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1266932580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will this force schools to have laptop without webcam's?</p><p>and if so apple better have some imacs and laptops with out them if they want to be schools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this force schools to have laptop without webcam 's ? and if so apple better have some imacs and laptops with out them if they want to be schools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this force schools to have laptop without webcam's?and if so apple better have some imacs and laptops with out them if they want to be schools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255058</id>
	<title>Re:It gets worse. They've been harrassing students</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1266942780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Who doesn't understand that once the lawyers get involved, you shut the Hell up? What is wrong with these people?</i></p><p>It's the same kind of wooly-headed liberal thinking that leads to spying on kids in their homes (and being eaten).  (apologies to Principal Snyder)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who does n't understand that once the lawyers get involved , you shut the Hell up ?
What is wrong with these people ? It 's the same kind of wooly-headed liberal thinking that leads to spying on kids in their homes ( and being eaten ) .
( apologies to Principal Snyder )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who doesn't understand that once the lawyers get involved, you shut the Hell up?
What is wrong with these people?It's the same kind of wooly-headed liberal thinking that leads to spying on kids in their homes (and being eaten).
(apologies to Principal Snyder)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252344</id>
	<title>Nothing a little tape can't fix...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266927240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just take a few rolls of masking tape to school, and the kids can fix the problem themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just take a few rolls of masking tape to school , and the kids can fix the problem themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just take a few rolls of masking tape to school, and the kids can fix the problem themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252640</id>
	<title>Camera question</title>
	<author>Imagix</author>
	<datestamp>1266928680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two questions:<ol>
<li>Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?</li><li>Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two questions : Why did n't these people see the green light next to the camera ? Why did n't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two questions:
Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253300</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1266931740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's disgusting.</p><p>The only ethical thing to do is crowdsource the monitoring via Chatroulette.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's disgusting.The only ethical thing to do is crowdsource the monitoring via Chatroulette .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's disgusting.The only ethical thing to do is crowdsource the monitoring via Chatroulette.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257548</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing a little tape can't fix...</title>
	<author>captainpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1265112060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Right. So you visitting a hospital fixes the issue of me stabbing you.</p></div><p>No, but me having medical insurance can save my life <i>if</i> you stab me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
So you visitting a hospital fixes the issue of me stabbing you.No , but me having medical insurance can save my life if you stab me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
So you visitting a hospital fixes the issue of me stabbing you.No, but me having medical insurance can save my life if you stab me.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253586</id>
	<title>Re:This is absurd</title>
	<author>Garth Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266933120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Throw these people IN JAIL! If any citizen did this, they would be IN JAIL! If any citizen did this to my child, I would throw their ass TO JAIL!!! (And then strongly suggest they get some therapy for being a pedophile.) Fines take money away from taxpayers and the education system anyway.</p><p>If something like this ever happened to my kid, there's no fucking way I'm going to let the PEOPLE SPYING ON MY KIDS to convince me that none of them are pedophiles!!! It really seems *likely* that a pervert in education somewhere would support spying software like this. He can seem tough with security and record hours and hours of underage teens at the same time!</p><p>Government decides what is legal and illegal, thus government decides morals, and thus the government can do no wrong. <strong>(People in government believe this shit!!!)</strong> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Throw these people IN JAIL !
If any citizen did this , they would be IN JAIL !
If any citizen did this to my child , I would throw their ass TO JAIL ! ! !
( And then strongly suggest they get some therapy for being a pedophile .
) Fines take money away from taxpayers and the education system anyway.If something like this ever happened to my kid , there 's no fucking way I 'm going to let the PEOPLE SPYING ON MY KIDS to convince me that none of them are pedophiles ! ! !
It really seems * likely * that a pervert in education somewhere would support spying software like this .
He can seem tough with security and record hours and hours of underage teens at the same time ! Government decides what is legal and illegal , thus government decides morals , and thus the government can do no wrong .
( People in government believe this shit ! ! !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Throw these people IN JAIL!
If any citizen did this, they would be IN JAIL!
If any citizen did this to my child, I would throw their ass TO JAIL!!!
(And then strongly suggest they get some therapy for being a pedophile.
) Fines take money away from taxpayers and the education system anyway.If something like this ever happened to my kid, there's no fucking way I'm going to let the PEOPLE SPYING ON MY KIDS to convince me that none of them are pedophiles!!!
It really seems *likely* that a pervert in education somewhere would support spying software like this.
He can seem tough with security and record hours and hours of underage teens at the same time!Government decides what is legal and illegal, thus government decides morals, and thus the government can do no wrong.
(People in government believe this shit!!!
) </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31259048</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Both Fox News and NPR are against them.</p></div><p>Which is a good example of the media not doing what they should. If they can be said to be against then it's a sure thing that they are not objective.</p><p>for the record: I am against the idea of spy cameras for everything except actual secret service type espionage</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Fox News and NPR are against them.Which is a good example of the media not doing what they should .
If they can be said to be against then it 's a sure thing that they are not objective.for the record : I am against the idea of spy cameras for everything except actual secret service type espionage</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Fox News and NPR are against them.Which is a good example of the media not doing what they should.
If they can be said to be against then it's a sure thing that they are not objective.for the record: I am against the idea of spy cameras for everything except actual secret service type espionage
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31267234</id>
	<title>protip</title>
	<author>GregNorc</author>
	<datestamp>1265119320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Macbook cameras are wired such that the green light HAS to come on if the camera is activated. This is at harware level - the current must flow through the LED to power the camera, and it would require physical tampering to disable this privacy feature.</p><p>If your Macbook's iSight light glows green randomly, that should set off MASSIVE red flags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Macbook cameras are wired such that the green light HAS to come on if the camera is activated .
This is at harware level - the current must flow through the LED to power the camera , and it would require physical tampering to disable this privacy feature.If your Macbook 's iSight light glows green randomly , that should set off MASSIVE red flags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Macbook cameras are wired such that the green light HAS to come on if the camera is activated.
This is at harware level - the current must flow through the LED to power the camera, and it would require physical tampering to disable this privacy feature.If your Macbook's iSight light glows green randomly, that should set off MASSIVE red flags.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255062</id>
	<title>Re:It gets worse. They've been harrassing students</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1266942780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could find which FA you were referring to, but the first ComputerWorld article said this:</p><blockquote><div><p>The consent order, which was agreed to by lawyers of both parties, also prevents Lower Merion officials from communicating with students and parents regarding the lawsuit; if the district wants to update parents on the case, it must submit the text of the announcement to the Robbins' attorneys at least six hours before sending out the information.</p></div></blockquote><p>If even half of what the allegations and reported actions of the school are true, this school is well and truly fucked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could find which FA you were referring to , but the first ComputerWorld article said this : The consent order , which was agreed to by lawyers of both parties , also prevents Lower Merion officials from communicating with students and parents regarding the lawsuit ; if the district wants to update parents on the case , it must submit the text of the announcement to the Robbins ' attorneys at least six hours before sending out the information.If even half of what the allegations and reported actions of the school are true , this school is well and truly fucked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could find which FA you were referring to, but the first ComputerWorld article said this:The consent order, which was agreed to by lawyers of both parties, also prevents Lower Merion officials from communicating with students and parents regarding the lawsuit; if the district wants to update parents on the case, it must submit the text of the announcement to the Robbins' attorneys at least six hours before sending out the information.If even half of what the allegations and reported actions of the school are true, this school is well and truly fucked.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254220</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1266936780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it's important that there be a metered and purposeful response to this problem.</p></div><p>
I agree, and I think you are spot-on about civil damages.  May I suggest, as a &quot;metered and purposeful response&quot; that everyone involved in the program be sent into the gymnasium of the school, that the students and parents of the students be given baseball bats and released into the gymnasium, and that no one <i>EVER</i> asks what happened afterwards?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's important that there be a metered and purposeful response to this problem .
I agree , and I think you are spot-on about civil damages .
May I suggest , as a " metered and purposeful response " that everyone involved in the program be sent into the gymnasium of the school , that the students and parents of the students be given baseball bats and released into the gymnasium , and that no one EVER asks what happened afterwards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's important that there be a metered and purposeful response to this problem.
I agree, and I think you are spot-on about civil damages.
May I suggest, as a "metered and purposeful response" that everyone involved in the program be sent into the gymnasium of the school, that the students and parents of the students be given baseball bats and released into the gymnasium, and that no one EVER asks what happened afterwards?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256062</id>
	<title>Re:School District = Child Pornographers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266951960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'd love to pull a forensic image of that drive and give it a good once over.</p></div></blockquote><p>I bet you would...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to pull a forensic image of that drive and give it a good once over.I bet you would.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to pull a forensic image of that drive and give it a good once over.I bet you would...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252316</id>
	<title>Uh huh</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1266927120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p>[quote]All its theft-recovery software relies on a different model than the former LANRev, said Midgley. "We give no theft recovery tools to our [LoJack and Computrace] customers," he said. "The only truly proven model is a managed service model."[/quote]</p><p>Translation: We don't want you spying on students, we want you to pay us to do it for you!!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : [ quote ] All its theft-recovery software relies on a different model than the former LANRev , said Midgley .
" We give no theft recovery tools to our [ LoJack and Computrace ] customers , " he said .
" The only truly proven model is a managed service model .
" [ /quote ] Translation : We do n't want you spying on students , we want you to pay us to do it for you ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:[quote]All its theft-recovery software relies on a different model than the former LANRev, said Midgley.
"We give no theft recovery tools to our [LoJack and Computrace] customers," he said.
"The only truly proven model is a managed service model.
"[/quote]Translation: We don't want you spying on students, we want you to pay us to do it for you!!
!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254934</id>
	<title>OMG! Candy!</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1266941880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has to be some sort of violation of the Obama war on childhood obesity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has to be some sort of violation of the Obama war on childhood obesity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has to be some sort of violation of the Obama war on childhood obesity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255196</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1266943860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My son's school definitely couldn't afford that.  In fact, my son's school district is talking about cutting the art/music programs and closing two schools.  Including the school my son is in which happens to be one of the highest performing school in the district.  Of course, the fact that the superintendent is a temporary one who won't be around to deal with the fallout has *nothing* to do about it.  (No, I'm not bitter.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My son 's school definitely could n't afford that .
In fact , my son 's school district is talking about cutting the art/music programs and closing two schools .
Including the school my son is in which happens to be one of the highest performing school in the district .
Of course , the fact that the superintendent is a temporary one who wo n't be around to deal with the fallout has * nothing * to do about it .
( No , I 'm not bitter .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My son's school definitely couldn't afford that.
In fact, my son's school district is talking about cutting the art/music programs and closing two schools.
Including the school my son is in which happens to be one of the highest performing school in the district.
Of course, the fact that the superintendent is a temporary one who won't be around to deal with the fallout has *nothing* to do about it.
(No, I'm not bitter.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252992</id>
	<title>Low Tech Solution......</title>
	<author>teleriddler</author>
	<datestamp>1266930300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe it is just me but if I were using one of these laptops and did not want to go rooting for the offending program wouldn't a small piece of tape over the camera do the trick?  Just a thought

   --TR</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it is just me but if I were using one of these laptops and did not want to go rooting for the offending program would n't a small piece of tape over the camera do the trick ?
Just a thought --TR</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it is just me but if I were using one of these laptops and did not want to go rooting for the offending program wouldn't a small piece of tape over the camera do the trick?
Just a thought

   --TR</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252290</id>
	<title>why isn't this</title>
	<author>Presto Vivace</author>
	<datestamp>1266927000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>criminally actionable under peeping Tom laws? Probably other laws too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>criminally actionable under peeping Tom laws ?
Probably other laws too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>criminally actionable under peeping Tom laws?
Probably other laws too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255148</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>4iedBandit</author>
	<datestamp>1266943560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Two questions:</p><ol>
<li>Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?</li><li>Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?</li></ol></div><p>1.  They did.  They were told repeatedly that it was merely a malfunction.</p><p>2.  They were told they could be expelled for covering the camera.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two questions : Why did n't these people see the green light next to the camera ? Why did n't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape ? 1 .
They did .
They were told repeatedly that it was merely a malfunction.2 .
They were told they could be expelled for covering the camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two questions:
Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?1.
They did.
They were told repeatedly that it was merely a malfunction.2.
They were told they could be expelled for covering the camera.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254138</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266936300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Both Fox News and NPR are against them.</p><p>Holy fuck they are so screwed. Nancy Grace will will be snacking on deep fried rinds made from their butt cheeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Both Fox News and NPR are against them.Holy fuck they are so screwed .
Nancy Grace will will be snacking on deep fried rinds made from their butt cheeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Both Fox News and NPR are against them.Holy fuck they are so screwed.
Nancy Grace will will be snacking on deep fried rinds made from their butt cheeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252404</id>
	<title>But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Orbijx</author>
	<datestamp>1266927660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm <em>almost</em> a little surprised that the school wasn't being penalized for this beyond the "Don't turn on the cameras, teehee~" I'm seeing here.</p><p>The concept of the technology makes sense -- get a visual of a thief using the stolen laptop. I'm okay with that. Wipe the Hard Drive on behalf of the customer's request if the unit is stolen and has information on it that shouldn't get out? Cool with me -- that's a feature people were able to buy on Dell's business laptops (Computrace, that is, with remote</p><p>The student did not report the laptop as stolen, so there's no feasible reason to be turning on the camera.<br>The school did not give birth to the student. There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.</p><p>I'm happy to see that the hammer is starting to fall in favor of students using these units, but will the hammer hit the nail on the head?</p><p>(Of note, I read the main article, but behind the corp walls of fire, I can't read some of the supporting articles and information.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm almost a little surprised that the school was n't being penalized for this beyond the " Do n't turn on the cameras , teehee ~ " I 'm seeing here.The concept of the technology makes sense -- get a visual of a thief using the stolen laptop .
I 'm okay with that .
Wipe the Hard Drive on behalf of the customer 's request if the unit is stolen and has information on it that should n't get out ?
Cool with me -- that 's a feature people were able to buy on Dell 's business laptops ( Computrace , that is , with remoteThe student did not report the laptop as stolen , so there 's no feasible reason to be turning on the camera.The school did not give birth to the student .
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.I 'm happy to see that the hammer is starting to fall in favor of students using these units , but will the hammer hit the nail on the head ?
( Of note , I read the main article , but behind the corp walls of fire , I ca n't read some of the supporting articles and information .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm almost a little surprised that the school wasn't being penalized for this beyond the "Don't turn on the cameras, teehee~" I'm seeing here.The concept of the technology makes sense -- get a visual of a thief using the stolen laptop.
I'm okay with that.
Wipe the Hard Drive on behalf of the customer's request if the unit is stolen and has information on it that shouldn't get out?
Cool with me -- that's a feature people were able to buy on Dell's business laptops (Computrace, that is, with remoteThe student did not report the laptop as stolen, so there's no feasible reason to be turning on the camera.The school did not give birth to the student.
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.I'm happy to see that the hammer is starting to fall in favor of students using these units, but will the hammer hit the nail on the head?
(Of note, I read the main article, but behind the corp walls of fire, I can't read some of the supporting articles and information.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254110</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266936120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>25 students * $999 macbook = $24975</p><p>1 teacher = $40000 per year</p><p>Just kick out a teacher of some boring useless subject that no one needs in real life, like calculus, and you're all set.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>25 students * $ 999 macbook = $ 249751 teacher = $ 40000 per yearJust kick out a teacher of some boring useless subject that no one needs in real life , like calculus , and you 're all set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>25 students * $999 macbook = $249751 teacher = $40000 per yearJust kick out a teacher of some boring useless subject that no one needs in real life, like calculus, and you're all set.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31259026</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1265124840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school did not give birth to the student. There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.</p></div><p>I would hope spy cameras would not be used by any sane parents.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school did not give birth to the student .
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.I would hope spy cameras would not be used by any sane parents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school did not give birth to the student.
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.I would hope spy cameras would not be used by any sane parents.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252848</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266929580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most public school systems in urban areas spend over $15,000 per year per student, yet they are still cranking out functionally illiterate kids.  It's a travesty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most public school systems in urban areas spend over $ 15,000 per year per student , yet they are still cranking out functionally illiterate kids .
It 's a travesty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most public school systems in urban areas spend over $15,000 per year per student, yet they are still cranking out functionally illiterate kids.
It's a travesty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255612</id>
	<title>Re:If I were one of those kids...</title>
	<author>Pence128</author>
	<datestamp>1266947640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd masturbate right in front of the webcam as much and often as possible. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to federal ass reaming facilities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd masturbate right in front of the webcam as much and often as possible .
Do not pass go , do not collect $ 200 , go directly to federal ass reaming facilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd masturbate right in front of the webcam as much and often as possible.
Do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to federal ass reaming facilities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253960</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1266935220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You joke but think about it. Odds the it department has access to the student database that probably includes pictures.<br>You know when school starts so set your targets notebook to log when they go online.<br>If they go online between 6:00 am and 7:30 am turn on the webcam. If they are online after 10:00 PM turn on the webcam.<br>And.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You joke but think about it .
Odds the it department has access to the student database that probably includes pictures.You know when school starts so set your targets notebook to log when they go online.If they go online between 6 : 00 am and 7 : 30 am turn on the webcam .
If they are online after 10 : 00 PM turn on the webcam.And.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You joke but think about it.
Odds the it department has access to the student database that probably includes pictures.You know when school starts so set your targets notebook to log when they go online.If they go online between 6:00 am and 7:30 am turn on the webcam.
If they are online after 10:00 PM turn on the webcam.And.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31267048</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265117700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Fortunately the FBI and courts are involved and this matter will be put to rest quickly and justly."</p><p>I think that is the first time I've ever seen a comment containing the phrase "fortunately, the FBI and courts are involved" on slashdot!  +5, too, wtf is going on?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Fortunately the FBI and courts are involved and this matter will be put to rest quickly and justly .
" I think that is the first time I 've ever seen a comment containing the phrase " fortunately , the FBI and courts are involved " on slashdot !
+ 5 , too , wtf is going on ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Fortunately the FBI and courts are involved and this matter will be put to rest quickly and justly.
"I think that is the first time I've ever seen a comment containing the phrase "fortunately, the FBI and courts are involved" on slashdot!
+5, too, wtf is going on?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253688</id>
	<title>Re:Apple</title>
	<author>tftp</author>
	<datestamp>1266933720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>If I was Apple, I would also sue the school.</i>
</p><p>
Your comment is currently at "2, Funny" but IMO Apple has plenty of grounds to sue the school district, primarily over the damage done to Apple's name and trust of users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was Apple , I would also sue the school .
Your comment is currently at " 2 , Funny " but IMO Apple has plenty of grounds to sue the school district , primarily over the damage done to Apple 's name and trust of users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If I was Apple, I would also sue the school.
Your comment is currently at "2, Funny" but IMO Apple has plenty of grounds to sue the school district, primarily over the damage done to Apple's name and trust of users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252538</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Orbijx</author>
	<datestamp>1266928200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(Computrace, that is, with remote</p></div><p>Smoooooooooth, Orb.</p><p>That should have read:<br>(Computrace, that is, with remote data deletion. It worked by allowing the computer to receive commands remotely once it hits the internet anywhere long enough to do its job. A delete job can be sent to the unit, wiping the drive. It was designed to survive some hardware replacements, as well, so swapping out the HDD isn't enough. At the time I did my research, there was a TSR that would regenerate itself on any Windows OS if the entire hardware batch wasn't swapped, but by the time you've done that, you could have just bought a replacement machine!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Computrace , that is , with remoteSmoooooooooth , Orb.That should have read : ( Computrace , that is , with remote data deletion .
It worked by allowing the computer to receive commands remotely once it hits the internet anywhere long enough to do its job .
A delete job can be sent to the unit , wiping the drive .
It was designed to survive some hardware replacements , as well , so swapping out the HDD is n't enough .
At the time I did my research , there was a TSR that would regenerate itself on any Windows OS if the entire hardware batch was n't swapped , but by the time you 've done that , you could have just bought a replacement machine !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Computrace, that is, with remoteSmoooooooooth, Orb.That should have read:(Computrace, that is, with remote data deletion.
It worked by allowing the computer to receive commands remotely once it hits the internet anywhere long enough to do its job.
A delete job can be sent to the unit, wiping the drive.
It was designed to survive some hardware replacements, as well, so swapping out the HDD isn't enough.
At the time I did my research, there was a TSR that would regenerate itself on any Windows OS if the entire hardware batch wasn't swapped, but by the time you've done that, you could have just bought a replacement machine!
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252682</id>
	<title>Re:Uh huh</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266928860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Translation: We don't want you spying on students, we want you to pay us to do it for you!!!</i> <p>
Absolute is de-activating the cameras:</p><p>
<i>Calling LANRev a "legacy" product, Midgley also said that Absolute would ship an update in the next several weeks that will permanently disable Theft Track, the name of the feature that lets administrators switch on a laptop's camera to take photographs of a potential thief after the computer is reported stolen. "It really doesn't serve any purpose," said Midgley of Theft Track.</i></p><p><i>

All its theft-recovery software relies on a different model than the former LANRev, said Midgley. "We give no theft recovery tools to our [LoJack and Computrace] customers," he said. "The only truly proven model is a managed service model."</i></p><p><i>

To kick off the recovery of a stolen or lost laptop, customers first must file a police report -- not a requirement of LANRev -- and only then contact Absolute, which in turn tracks the location of the missing machine via its IP address when the system goes online. Absolute employs a team of former law enforcement professionals who reach out to local police, provide them with the location information and then get out of the way. <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9160278/Software\_maker\_blasts\_vigilantism\_in\_Pa.\_school\_spying\_case?taxonomyId=12" title="computerworld.com">Software maker blasts 'vigilantism' in Pa. school sying case</a> [computerworld.com]</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Translation : We do n't want you spying on students , we want you to pay us to do it for you ! ! !
Absolute is de-activating the cameras : Calling LANRev a " legacy " product , Midgley also said that Absolute would ship an update in the next several weeks that will permanently disable Theft Track , the name of the feature that lets administrators switch on a laptop 's camera to take photographs of a potential thief after the computer is reported stolen .
" It really does n't serve any purpose , " said Midgley of Theft Track .
All its theft-recovery software relies on a different model than the former LANRev , said Midgley .
" We give no theft recovery tools to our [ LoJack and Computrace ] customers , " he said .
" The only truly proven model is a managed service model .
" To kick off the recovery of a stolen or lost laptop , customers first must file a police report -- not a requirement of LANRev -- and only then contact Absolute , which in turn tracks the location of the missing machine via its IP address when the system goes online .
Absolute employs a team of former law enforcement professionals who reach out to local police , provide them with the location information and then get out of the way .
Software maker blasts 'vigilantism ' in Pa. school sying case [ computerworld.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Translation: We don't want you spying on students, we want you to pay us to do it for you!!!
Absolute is de-activating the cameras:
Calling LANRev a "legacy" product, Midgley also said that Absolute would ship an update in the next several weeks that will permanently disable Theft Track, the name of the feature that lets administrators switch on a laptop's camera to take photographs of a potential thief after the computer is reported stolen.
"It really doesn't serve any purpose," said Midgley of Theft Track.
All its theft-recovery software relies on a different model than the former LANRev, said Midgley.
"We give no theft recovery tools to our [LoJack and Computrace] customers," he said.
"The only truly proven model is a managed service model.
"

To kick off the recovery of a stolen or lost laptop, customers first must file a police report -- not a requirement of LANRev -- and only then contact Absolute, which in turn tracks the location of the missing machine via its IP address when the system goes online.
Absolute employs a team of former law enforcement professionals who reach out to local police, provide them with the location information and then get out of the way.
Software maker blasts 'vigilantism' in Pa. school sying case [computerworld.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31266772</id>
	<title>Re:why isn't this</title>
	<author>Thinboy00</author>
	<datestamp>1265115900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is.  The FBI is already investigating (see wiki article).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is .
The FBI is already investigating ( see wiki article ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is.
The FBI is already investigating (see wiki article).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252704</id>
	<title>Metered response</title>
	<author>JeffSh</author>
	<datestamp>1266928980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am absolutely shocked and appalled at the manner this software was deployed implemented and used. Fortunately the FBI and courts are involved and this matter will be put to rest quickly and justly.</p><p>That said, I think it's important that there be a metered and purposeful response to this problem. I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district. That's probably the worst thing that could happen because where does that money come from? The school district, and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school.</p><p>I hope that the parents and other involved parties realize that a civil judgment against the school district awarding significant damages will not help anyone. I think most of the administrative staff at the school should lose their jobs and be replaced, but to see this go to the point where lawyers are making tens of thousands in pursuit of a civil reward is unjust as well. It does the school district and students no good when the goal is to cease the activity and create a better school district.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am absolutely shocked and appalled at the manner this software was deployed implemented and used .
Fortunately the FBI and courts are involved and this matter will be put to rest quickly and justly.That said , I think it 's important that there be a metered and purposeful response to this problem .
I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district .
That 's probably the worst thing that could happen because where does that money come from ?
The school district , and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school.I hope that the parents and other involved parties realize that a civil judgment against the school district awarding significant damages will not help anyone .
I think most of the administrative staff at the school should lose their jobs and be replaced , but to see this go to the point where lawyers are making tens of thousands in pursuit of a civil reward is unjust as well .
It does the school district and students no good when the goal is to cease the activity and create a better school district .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am absolutely shocked and appalled at the manner this software was deployed implemented and used.
Fortunately the FBI and courts are involved and this matter will be put to rest quickly and justly.That said, I think it's important that there be a metered and purposeful response to this problem.
I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district.
That's probably the worst thing that could happen because where does that money come from?
The school district, and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school.I hope that the parents and other involved parties realize that a civil judgment against the school district awarding significant damages will not help anyone.
I think most of the administrative staff at the school should lose their jobs and be replaced, but to see this go to the point where lawyers are making tens of thousands in pursuit of a civil reward is unjust as well.
It does the school district and students no good when the goal is to cease the activity and create a better school district.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255026</id>
	<title>Scariest part is many students don't care</title>
	<author>dbkluck</author>
	<datestamp>1266942600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been following this story for a the past week, and by far the scariest story I've read so far is from the Philadelphia Daily News: <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/education/85022542.html" title="philly.com" rel="nofollow">Students seem largely unfazed by spying case</a> [philly.com].  Among the students quoted:<blockquote><div><p>"A lot of people think this is being blown out of proportion," said senior David Freedman, 18.  "I believe the school when they say they only used it to find lost or stolen laptops.  People realize this is not a real threat."</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>"It an invasion of privacy, but I'm sure we signed stuff in waivers [when we got the computers]," said Senior Bonnie McFarland, 17.</p></div></blockquote><p>

How the hell much have we failed our children when they can't even be outraged about this?  Are they seriously so used to living their lives in public on myspace and facebook that they don't even realize the value of the privacy that the school district stole from them here?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been following this story for a the past week , and by far the scariest story I 've read so far is from the Philadelphia Daily News : Students seem largely unfazed by spying case [ philly.com ] .
Among the students quoted : " A lot of people think this is being blown out of proportion , " said senior David Freedman , 18 .
" I believe the school when they say they only used it to find lost or stolen laptops .
People realize this is not a real threat .
" " It an invasion of privacy , but I 'm sure we signed stuff in waivers [ when we got the computers ] , " said Senior Bonnie McFarland , 17 .
How the hell much have we failed our children when they ca n't even be outraged about this ?
Are they seriously so used to living their lives in public on myspace and facebook that they do n't even realize the value of the privacy that the school district stole from them here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been following this story for a the past week, and by far the scariest story I've read so far is from the Philadelphia Daily News: Students seem largely unfazed by spying case [philly.com].
Among the students quoted:"A lot of people think this is being blown out of proportion," said senior David Freedman, 18.
"I believe the school when they say they only used it to find lost or stolen laptops.
People realize this is not a real threat.
""It an invasion of privacy, but I'm sure we signed stuff in waivers [when we got the computers]," said Senior Bonnie McFarland, 17.
How the hell much have we failed our children when they can't even be outraged about this?
Are they seriously so used to living their lives in public on myspace and facebook that they don't even realize the value of the privacy that the school district stole from them here?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255962</id>
	<title>That's the last email</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266951120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I type with my penis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I type with my penis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I type with my penis.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31259674</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>T.E.D.</author>
	<datestamp>1265127960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to comments posted here yesterday by a student, some <em>did</em> put tape over the lens. They were viewed as paranoiacs by everyone else. Its a sad state when the paranoiacs are right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to comments posted here yesterday by a student , some did put tape over the lens .
They were viewed as paranoiacs by everyone else .
Its a sad state when the paranoiacs are right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to comments posted here yesterday by a student, some did put tape over the lens.
They were viewed as paranoiacs by everyone else.
Its a sad state when the paranoiacs are right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253384</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253060</id>
	<title>Apple</title>
	<author>MarkCollette</author>
	<datestamp>1266930720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I was Apple, I would also sue the school. Apparently the school created the impression that the camera light flickering on was some wide-spread glitch with the iSight cameras on the notebook computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I was Apple , I would also sue the school .
Apparently the school created the impression that the camera light flickering on was some wide-spread glitch with the iSight cameras on the notebook computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I was Apple, I would also sue the school.
Apparently the school created the impression that the camera light flickering on was some wide-spread glitch with the iSight cameras on the notebook computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257282</id>
	<title>Spying at people at there home.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265108940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you need a search warrant, at least in my country it does. Installing spy equipment is probably quiet hard penalty on also.</p><p>So the issue is not if someone pops drugs or not at there home, the big issue is that someone has installed spy equipment and used it.<br>I don't see how the pictures can be used in any court if produced in this way.</p><p>Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.</p><p>Did you know that spying using computer equipment actually are becoming law in a number of countries. Storing every emails, phone calls and why not webcam streams in the future?<br>Maybe time to say No to increased surveillance?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you need a search warrant , at least in my country it does .
Installing spy equipment is probably quiet hard penalty on also.So the issue is not if someone pops drugs or not at there home , the big issue is that someone has installed spy equipment and used it.I do n't see how the pictures can be used in any court if produced in this way.Just cause you can , does n't mean you should.Did you know that spying using computer equipment actually are becoming law in a number of countries .
Storing every emails , phone calls and why not webcam streams in the future ? Maybe time to say No to increased surveillance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you need a search warrant, at least in my country it does.
Installing spy equipment is probably quiet hard penalty on also.So the issue is not if someone pops drugs or not at there home, the big issue is that someone has installed spy equipment and used it.I don't see how the pictures can be used in any court if produced in this way.Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.Did you know that spying using computer equipment actually are becoming law in a number of countries.
Storing every emails, phone calls and why not webcam streams in the future?Maybe time to say No to increased surveillance?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254652</id>
	<title>Re:If I were one of those kids...</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1266939900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, just block the camera with a print of goatse.cx. When you hear that the principal is out with uncontrollable projectile vomiting you'll know you were randomly selected for monitoring the previous night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , just block the camera with a print of goatse.cx .
When you hear that the principal is out with uncontrollable projectile vomiting you 'll know you were randomly selected for monitoring the previous night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, just block the camera with a print of goatse.cx.
When you hear that the principal is out with uncontrollable projectile vomiting you'll know you were randomly selected for monitoring the previous night.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252748</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256344</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Dreaming in R'lyeh</author>
	<datestamp>1265140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school did not give birth to the student. There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.</p></div><p> <i>in loco parentis</i>, dude.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school did not give birth to the student .
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should .
in loco parentis , dude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school did not give birth to the student.
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.
in loco parentis, dude.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252404</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252770</id>
	<title>Re:The court needs to stop them from wiping HDD's</title>
	<author>loners</author>
	<datestamp>1266929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IANAL but I have heard that in a civil case, \_intentional\_ destruction of evidence (wiping the hard drives) can be used in court under the assumption that the evidence was showing that they were in the wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL but I have heard that in a civil case , \ _intentional \ _ destruction of evidence ( wiping the hard drives ) can be used in court under the assumption that the evidence was showing that they were in the wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL but I have heard that in a civil case, \_intentional\_ destruction of evidence (wiping the hard drives) can be used in court under the assumption that the evidence was showing that they were in the wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252504</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252780</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>fred fleenblat</author>
	<datestamp>1266929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"blame the victim" doesn't fly in any US court.<br>it *really* doesn't fly when the victims are children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" blame the victim " does n't fly in any US court.it * really * does n't fly when the victims are children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"blame the victim" doesn't fly in any US court.it *really* doesn't fly when the victims are children.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255800</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266949380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're probably using the wrong tape though if it can fall off.</p><p>However drilling is probably overkill and may risk breaking other stuff, just giving the lens panel a good etching with sandpaper would be more than good enough. Afterall, what good is frosted-glass-like blur-o-vision to a voyeur?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're probably using the wrong tape though if it can fall off.However drilling is probably overkill and may risk breaking other stuff , just giving the lens panel a good etching with sandpaper would be more than good enough .
Afterall , what good is frosted-glass-like blur-o-vision to a voyeur ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're probably using the wrong tape though if it can fall off.However drilling is probably overkill and may risk breaking other stuff, just giving the lens panel a good etching with sandpaper would be more than good enough.
Afterall, what good is frosted-glass-like blur-o-vision to a voyeur?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254494</id>
	<title>Child pornography</title>
	<author>rlh100</author>
	<datestamp>1266938760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahh... nubile young things changing their clothes with the laptop on...  Or maybe in bed thinking they are alone or alone with a friend, but the laptop is on...</p><p>No wonder the FBI is interested.  I wonder when the child pornography charges come out.</p><p>RLH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahh... nubile young things changing their clothes with the laptop on... Or maybe in bed thinking they are alone or alone with a friend , but the laptop is on...No wonder the FBI is interested .
I wonder when the child pornography charges come out.RLH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahh... nubile young things changing their clothes with the laptop on...  Or maybe in bed thinking they are alone or alone with a friend, but the laptop is on...No wonder the FBI is interested.
I wonder when the child pornography charges come out.RLH</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256102</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>kramerd</author>
	<datestamp>1266952440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How old are you?</p><p>According to the National institution for educational statistics,</p><p>In 1990, total expenditures per student were 7365.<br>In 2002, this rose to 9139.<br>The average for 2009 was 9963.</p><p>These numbers are inflation-adjusted, which means the general growth in expenditure historically (inflation adjusted) is less than 5\%.</p><p>These laptops are only $1000 laptops, and extrapolating, are roughly 10\% of the expenditures of one year for a tool that could influence every aspect of education and will be used for multiple years. Seems reasonable to me...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How old are you ? According to the National institution for educational statistics,In 1990 , total expenditures per student were 7365.In 2002 , this rose to 9139.The average for 2009 was 9963.These numbers are inflation-adjusted , which means the general growth in expenditure historically ( inflation adjusted ) is less than 5 \ % .These laptops are only $ 1000 laptops , and extrapolating , are roughly 10 \ % of the expenditures of one year for a tool that could influence every aspect of education and will be used for multiple years .
Seems reasonable to me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How old are you?According to the National institution for educational statistics,In 1990, total expenditures per student were 7365.In 2002, this rose to 9139.The average for 2009 was 9963.These numbers are inflation-adjusted, which means the general growth in expenditure historically (inflation adjusted) is less than 5\%.These laptops are only $1000 laptops, and extrapolating, are roughly 10\% of the expenditures of one year for a tool that could influence every aspect of education and will be used for multiple years.
Seems reasonable to me...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252526</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254082</id>
	<title>Re:So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266935880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're a stupid baby with a bad opinion and I hope you die an excruciating death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're a stupid baby with a bad opinion and I hope you die an excruciating death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're a stupid baby with a bad opinion and I hope you die an excruciating death.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253024</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253558</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1266933000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree fully that a civil suit against the school is entirely counterproductive and I agree that everyone responsible should be fired, but I fear that these people will only be fired. The administrators and techs responsible for this travesty need to be put up on a whole list of felony charges -- IANAL but I am pretty sure that they are in violation of wiretapping and surveillance laws, not to mention all of the child pornography that they must have unwittingly (or possibly even wittingly) created.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree fully that a civil suit against the school is entirely counterproductive and I agree that everyone responsible should be fired , but I fear that these people will only be fired .
The administrators and techs responsible for this travesty need to be put up on a whole list of felony charges -- IANAL but I am pretty sure that they are in violation of wiretapping and surveillance laws , not to mention all of the child pornography that they must have unwittingly ( or possibly even wittingly ) created .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree fully that a civil suit against the school is entirely counterproductive and I agree that everyone responsible should be fired, but I fear that these people will only be fired.
The administrators and techs responsible for this travesty need to be put up on a whole list of felony charges -- IANAL but I am pretty sure that they are in violation of wiretapping and surveillance laws, not to mention all of the child pornography that they must have unwittingly (or possibly even wittingly) created.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252704</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253024</id>
	<title>So what?</title>
	<author>Murdoch5</author>
	<datestamp>1266930540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow look what happened, the school got in trouble.   Here's how you figure out if the software is installed, on Windows just look in the registry with regedit, on Mac just use the terminal, if you can't do either because you don't know how then log off facebook and get some real skills that will serve you in life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow look what happened , the school got in trouble .
Here 's how you figure out if the software is installed , on Windows just look in the registry with regedit , on Mac just use the terminal , if you ca n't do either because you do n't know how then log off facebook and get some real skills that will serve you in life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow look what happened, the school got in trouble.
Here's how you figure out if the software is installed, on Windows just look in the registry with regedit, on Mac just use the terminal, if you can't do either because you don't know how then log off facebook and get some real skills that will serve you in life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252312</id>
	<title>This is good...</title>
	<author>lag10</author>
	<datestamp>1266927060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except for the fact that this could be the perfect time to steal one of the school's computers.</p><p>The school originally stated that the cameras were activated when thefts were reported.  If it's prohibited from activating the security features at all, there may be an enhanced window of opportunity to steal one and get away with it.</p><p>Regardless, the school had it coming, activating the cameras without their users' knowledge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except for the fact that this could be the perfect time to steal one of the school 's computers.The school originally stated that the cameras were activated when thefts were reported .
If it 's prohibited from activating the security features at all , there may be an enhanced window of opportunity to steal one and get away with it.Regardless , the school had it coming , activating the cameras without their users ' knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except for the fact that this could be the perfect time to steal one of the school's computers.The school originally stated that the cameras were activated when thefts were reported.
If it's prohibited from activating the security features at all, there may be an enhanced window of opportunity to steal one and get away with it.Regardless, the school had it coming, activating the cameras without their users' knowledge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255110</id>
	<title>Re:This is absurd</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1266943140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>he irony of an institution that teaches the constitution </i></p><p>As a perspective on this, I learned in school that the Constitution grants rights, and given my experience with real humans this seems pretty pervasive.  Even if they are teaching it, there are precious few who are actually understanding and teaching it correctly, so in a way it's not shocking that they didn't comprehend how reprehensible their behavior was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>he irony of an institution that teaches the constitution As a perspective on this , I learned in school that the Constitution grants rights , and given my experience with real humans this seems pretty pervasive .
Even if they are teaching it , there are precious few who are actually understanding and teaching it correctly , so in a way it 's not shocking that they did n't comprehend how reprehensible their behavior was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he irony of an institution that teaches the constitution As a perspective on this, I learned in school that the Constitution grants rights, and given my experience with real humans this seems pretty pervasive.
Even if they are teaching it, there are precious few who are actually understanding and teaching it correctly, so in a way it's not shocking that they didn't comprehend how reprehensible their behavior was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252328</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252392</id>
	<title>Why do people keep on posting this</title>
	<author>dreadlord76</author>
	<datestamp>1266927480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If someone steals something, and then you add a lock so they can't get in, does that "fix the problem"?  Should the theft itself be prosecuted and punished?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone steals something , and then you add a lock so they ca n't get in , does that " fix the problem " ?
Should the theft itself be prosecuted and punished ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone steals something, and then you add a lock so they can't get in, does that "fix the problem"?
Should the theft itself be prosecuted and punished?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252658</id>
	<title>School = Government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, the government turned on cameras that made their way into Citizen's homes without a warrent?  Hmm.  Also, the administrators: "We didn't do it!  Must have been IT."  That doesn't fly, the school is an indivisible entity, I don't care if the janitor did it: the school is responsible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , the government turned on cameras that made their way into Citizen 's homes without a warrent ?
Hmm. Also , the administrators : " We did n't do it !
Must have been IT .
" That does n't fly , the school is an indivisible entity , I do n't care if the janitor did it : the school is responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, the government turned on cameras that made their way into Citizen's homes without a warrent?
Hmm.  Also, the administrators: "We didn't do it!
Must have been IT.
"  That doesn't fly, the school is an indivisible entity, I don't care if the janitor did it: the school is responsible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252552</id>
	<title>Wow.</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1266928260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Normally, when I come across stories like this, I figure that there are two sides to the story, that the school or business didn't really behave as ridiculously as the accuser is describing.  There's usually a certain amount of sensationalism to such stories.<br> <br>

But in this case... the school really seems to be as stupid and as criminal as they first seemed, or MORE so.  Every new piece of evidence is making it seem more and more like not only a screw-up, but that there should be some mass firings, if not jail time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Normally , when I come across stories like this , I figure that there are two sides to the story , that the school or business did n't really behave as ridiculously as the accuser is describing .
There 's usually a certain amount of sensationalism to such stories .
But in this case... the school really seems to be as stupid and as criminal as they first seemed , or MORE so .
Every new piece of evidence is making it seem more and more like not only a screw-up , but that there should be some mass firings , if not jail time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Normally, when I come across stories like this, I figure that there are two sides to the story, that the school or business didn't really behave as ridiculously as the accuser is describing.
There's usually a certain amount of sensationalism to such stories.
But in this case... the school really seems to be as stupid and as criminal as they first seemed, or MORE so.
Every new piece of evidence is making it seem more and more like not only a screw-up, but that there should be some mass firings, if not jail time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252562</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1266928320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>I'm almost a little surprised that the school wasn't being penalized for this beyond the "Don't turn on the cameras".</i>
</p><p>
This is just a preliminary injunction.  The big legal hammer is being assembled and raised into hammering position. The school district is now in the very uncomfortable position of having the FBI, the Justice Department, and the ACLU all against them. Both Fox News and NPR are against them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm almost a little surprised that the school was n't being penalized for this beyond the " Do n't turn on the cameras " .
This is just a preliminary injunction .
The big legal hammer is being assembled and raised into hammering position .
The school district is now in the very uncomfortable position of having the FBI , the Justice Department , and the ACLU all against them .
Both Fox News and NPR are against them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I'm almost a little surprised that the school wasn't being penalized for this beyond the "Don't turn on the cameras".
This is just a preliminary injunction.
The big legal hammer is being assembled and raised into hammering position.
The school district is now in the very uncomfortable position of having the FBI, the Justice Department, and the ACLU all against them.
Both Fox News and NPR are against them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252404</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253034</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>tftp</author>
	<datestamp>1266930600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>1. Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?</i>
</p><p>
Some did. As the comment above explains, some even asked the school what's going on, and the school replied (lied, as it seems) that it's nothing to see here, move along.
</p><p>
<i>2. Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?</i>
</p><p>
Some did. Majority, though, didn't - in part because they never noticed the light and in part because they were assured by the school that there is nothing to worry about.
</p><p>
It would be perfectly reasonable for a long-time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. reader, to smell the rat. But it is just as reasonable for a school student who is not a geek to not realize what may be happening. The students were also required to accept and use those laptops, and many would be rightfully afraid that any attempt to mess with them would result in expulsion, execution on the spot, or worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Why did n't these people see the green light next to the camera ?
Some did .
As the comment above explains , some even asked the school what 's going on , and the school replied ( lied , as it seems ) that it 's nothing to see here , move along .
2. Why did n't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape ?
Some did .
Majority , though , did n't - in part because they never noticed the light and in part because they were assured by the school that there is nothing to worry about .
It would be perfectly reasonable for a long-time / .
reader , to smell the rat .
But it is just as reasonable for a school student who is not a geek to not realize what may be happening .
The students were also required to accept and use those laptops , and many would be rightfully afraid that any attempt to mess with them would result in expulsion , execution on the spot , or worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 1.
Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?
Some did.
As the comment above explains, some even asked the school what's going on, and the school replied (lied, as it seems) that it's nothing to see here, move along.
2. Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?
Some did.
Majority, though, didn't - in part because they never noticed the light and in part because they were assured by the school that there is nothing to worry about.
It would be perfectly reasonable for a long-time /.
reader, to smell the rat.
But it is just as reasonable for a school student who is not a geek to not realize what may be happening.
The students were also required to accept and use those laptops, and many would be rightfully afraid that any attempt to mess with them would result in expulsion, execution on the spot, or worse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252668</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When are the "cheerleaders getting dressed" videos going to leak? You know someone was making them...</p></div><p>I didn't know you were into that.  I'll borrow my mom's car after this hot pocket and go by salvation army today to get a cheerleader outfit and e-mail the video to you.  Not sure what the odds are that they'll have a 3xl cheerleader skirt though...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When are the " cheerleaders getting dressed " videos going to leak ?
You know someone was making them...I did n't know you were into that .
I 'll borrow my mom 's car after this hot pocket and go by salvation army today to get a cheerleader outfit and e-mail the video to you .
Not sure what the odds are that they 'll have a 3xl cheerleader skirt though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When are the "cheerleaders getting dressed" videos going to leak?
You know someone was making them...I didn't know you were into that.
I'll borrow my mom's car after this hot pocket and go by salvation army today to get a cheerleader outfit and e-mail the video to you.
Not sure what the odds are that they'll have a 3xl cheerleader skirt though...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31258164</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>DigitalGodBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1265119200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you think any kid was FORCED to take this brand new, shiny laptop that everyone is getting you're out of your mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think any kid was FORCED to take this brand new , shiny laptop that everyone is getting you 're out of your mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think any kid was FORCED to take this brand new, shiny laptop that everyone is getting you're out of your mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253384</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252596</id>
	<title>The picture is out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">On youtube</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On youtube [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On youtube [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252264</id>
	<title>The important question:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266926880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When are the "cheerleaders getting dressed" videos going to leak?  You know someone was making them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When are the " cheerleaders getting dressed " videos going to leak ?
You know someone was making them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When are the "cheerleaders getting dressed" videos going to leak?
You know someone was making them...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254158</id>
	<title>Re:why isn't this</title>
	<author>SkeeZerD</author>
	<datestamp>1266936420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The case this article refers to is a civil suit...the FBI is investigating however to determine if criminal charges should be filed as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The case this article refers to is a civil suit...the FBI is investigating however to determine if criminal charges should be filed as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The case this article refers to is a civil suit...the FBI is investigating however to determine if criminal charges should be filed as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252290</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31266672</id>
	<title>Re:So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265115300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mucking foron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mucking foron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mucking foron.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254542</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266939060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't miss "Stupid in America"</p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw<br>http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338</p><p>This is also a good read:</p><p>http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/128/the-iron-chancellor.html<br>http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/128/gimme-an-f.html</p><p>Some highlights:</p><blockquote><div><ul><li> Washington spends $16,698 per student, the second highest in the country after Boston, yet:</li><li> In 2007, 61\% of D.C.'s fourth graders scored below basic level in reading, and 51\% below basic in math.</li><li> Of America's 100 largest school districts, <b>D.C. Public Schools spent the most on administration (56\% of budget) and the least on instruction (41\%)</b>, in 2004 -- 2005.</li><li> D.C. seniors in the class of 2007 had the second-lowest SAT reading scores in the country (after Maine) and the worst math scores.</li></ul></div></blockquote><p>Long story short, money's not the problem.  We spend more per student than any other country in the world, and get far less bang for our buck.  And there's been no real correlation between increased funding and increased performance over the last few decades.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't miss " Stupid in America " http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Bx4pN-aiofwhttp : //abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story ? id = 1500338This is also a good read : http : //www.fastcompany.com/magazine/128/the-iron-chancellor.htmlhttp : //www.fastcompany.com/magazine/128/gim me-an-f.htmlSome highlights : Washington spends $ 16,698 per student , the second highest in the country after Boston , yet : In 2007 , 61 \ % of D.C. 's fourth graders scored below basic level in reading , and 51 \ % below basic in math .
Of America 's 100 largest school districts , D.C. Public Schools spent the most on administration ( 56 \ % of budget ) and the least on instruction ( 41 \ % ) , in 2004 -- 2005 .
D.C. seniors in the class of 2007 had the second-lowest SAT reading scores in the country ( after Maine ) and the worst math scores.Long story short , money 's not the problem .
We spend more per student than any other country in the world , and get far less bang for our buck .
And there 's been no real correlation between increased funding and increased performance over the last few decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't miss "Stupid in America"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofwhttp://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338This is also a good read:http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/128/the-iron-chancellor.htmlhttp://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/128/gimme-an-f.htmlSome highlights: Washington spends $16,698 per student, the second highest in the country after Boston, yet: In 2007, 61\% of D.C.'s fourth graders scored below basic level in reading, and 51\% below basic in math.
Of America's 100 largest school districts, D.C. Public Schools spent the most on administration (56\% of budget) and the least on instruction (41\%), in 2004 -- 2005.
D.C. seniors in the class of 2007 had the second-lowest SAT reading scores in the country (after Maine) and the worst math scores.Long story short, money's not the problem.
We spend more per student than any other country in the world, and get far less bang for our buck.
And there's been no real correlation between increased funding and increased performance over the last few decades.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252848</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31258096</id>
	<title>Re:It gets worse. They've been harrassing students</title>
	<author>Issarlk</author>
	<datestamp>1265118360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Who doesn't understand...

Morons on a power trip?

It also reply to the question "Who would spy on people then admit it?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Who does n't understand.. . Morons on a power trip ?
It also reply to the question " Who would spy on people then admit it ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Who doesn't understand...

Morons on a power trip?
It also reply to the question "Who would spy on people then admit it?
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253822</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266934440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>probably somewhere like efukt.com.  theres lots of stuff on there like that now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>probably somewhere like efukt.com .
theres lots of stuff on there like that now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>probably somewhere like efukt.com.
theres lots of stuff on there like that now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257000</id>
	<title>Re:So what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The laptop, it's not like a truck. It's a serious of notebooks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The laptop , it 's not like a truck .
It 's a serious of notebooks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The laptop, it's not like a truck.
It's a serious of notebooks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253748</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253220</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1266931380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school did not give birth to the student. There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.</p></div><p>

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that this behavior would be completely unacceptable and almost certainly illegal even if the parents were doing it -- nobody is allowed to take naked pictures of a 14 year old (not even the 14 year old!) and avoid federal, pound me in the ass prison.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school did not give birth to the student .
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should .
I 'm gon na go out on a limb here and say that this behavior would be completely unacceptable and almost certainly illegal even if the parents were doing it -- nobody is allowed to take naked pictures of a 14 year old ( not even the 14 year old !
) and avoid federal , pound me in the ass prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school did not give birth to the student.
There is no reason to monitor the student like a parent should.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that this behavior would be completely unacceptable and almost certainly illegal even if the parents were doing it -- nobody is allowed to take naked pictures of a 14 year old (not even the 14 year old!
) and avoid federal, pound me in the ass prison.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252404</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253492</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1266932700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?</p></div><p>From what I have read -- some of the kids DID see the green light. It has been reported but not confirmed that when these kids went to school officials about it, they were told that it was a glitch and not to worry about it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?</p></div><p>Again, if you had been following up on the story, you would know that some kids DID do that on the suspicion that they were being watched.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did n't these people see the green light next to the camera ? From what I have read -- some of the kids DID see the green light .
It has been reported but not confirmed that when these kids went to school officials about it , they were told that it was a glitch and not to worry about it.Why did n't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape ? Again , if you had been following up on the story , you would know that some kids DID do that on the suspicion that they were being watched .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?From what I have read -- some of the kids DID see the green light.
It has been reported but not confirmed that when these kids went to school officials about it, they were told that it was a glitch and not to worry about it.Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?Again, if you had been following up on the story, you would know that some kids DID do that on the suspicion that they were being watched.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254748</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266940560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, there's a really good reason to have a massive civil judgement against these constitution-trampling, oppressive, Orwellian peeping Toms.  The next time some power-mad administrator comes up with idea this asinine, the other people around the table will say, "You remember what happened to those guys in Pennsylvania", and a collective shudder will go around the room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there 's a really good reason to have a massive civil judgement against these constitution-trampling , oppressive , Orwellian peeping Toms .
The next time some power-mad administrator comes up with idea this asinine , the other people around the table will say , " You remember what happened to those guys in Pennsylvania " , and a collective shudder will go around the room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there's a really good reason to have a massive civil judgement against these constitution-trampling, oppressive, Orwellian peeping Toms.
The next time some power-mad administrator comes up with idea this asinine, the other people around the table will say, "You remember what happened to those guys in Pennsylvania", and a collective shudder will go around the room.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252704</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255174</id>
	<title>I see you!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266943740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And for god's sake stop that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And for god 's sake stop that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And for god's sake stop that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253106</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266930900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This point has been aired, and responded to, on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. before.</p><p>When our government fails us, it's ultimately our responsibility.  Who elected the board of ed in this town?  Not everyone in the school district, after all, has a child in school.</p><p>The only way to properly motivate the entire populace of this town is to hit them in their wallets.  When additonal funds for the school have to be raised after this suit, people (in this town and in others) will have a greater stake in not electing asshats*.  If this was a civil suit against the federal government, would you make the same argument, that monetary damages should not be awarded?</p><p>m!</p><p>*(IMHO, before anything else in politics, this should be our greatest goal.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This point has been aired , and responded to , on / .
before.When our government fails us , it 's ultimately our responsibility .
Who elected the board of ed in this town ?
Not everyone in the school district , after all , has a child in school.The only way to properly motivate the entire populace of this town is to hit them in their wallets .
When additonal funds for the school have to be raised after this suit , people ( in this town and in others ) will have a greater stake in not electing asshats * .
If this was a civil suit against the federal government , would you make the same argument , that monetary damages should not be awarded ? m !
* ( IMHO , before anything else in politics , this should be our greatest goal .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This point has been aired, and responded to, on /.
before.When our government fails us, it's ultimately our responsibility.
Who elected the board of ed in this town?
Not everyone in the school district, after all, has a child in school.The only way to properly motivate the entire populace of this town is to hit them in their wallets.
When additonal funds for the school have to be raised after this suit, people (in this town and in others) will have a greater stake in not electing asshats*.
If this was a civil suit against the federal government, would you make the same argument, that monetary damages should not be awarded?m!
*(IMHO, before anything else in politics, this should be our greatest goal.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253512</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1266932820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IIRC, there was some private/parent fund raising.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC , there was some private/parent fund raising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC, there was some private/parent fund raising.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256668</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>Guillaume Castel</author>
	<datestamp>1265101500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently it does when it comes to sexting cases, where both the victim and perpetrator are one and the same, a child.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently it does when it comes to sexting cases , where both the victim and perpetrator are one and the same , a child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently it does when it comes to sexting cases, where both the victim and perpetrator are one and the same, a child.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255806</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266949440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be in management.  You managed to state a request such that the most simple and direct interpretation of it directly opposed its actual goals, and then blamed the developer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be in management .
You managed to state a request such that the most simple and direct interpretation of it directly opposed its actual goals , and then blamed the developer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be in management.
You managed to state a request such that the most simple and direct interpretation of it directly opposed its actual goals, and then blamed the developer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255722</id>
	<title>Re:This is good...</title>
	<author>Crudely\_Indecent</author>
	<datestamp>1266948660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the chain of events that any self-respecting geek would go through:</p><p>1. Sift through the data, looking for anything worth keeping<br>2. Format, re-install OS<br>3. Put a piece of a post-it note over the camera</p><p>OK, maybe that's last one is just me.....</p><p>I put the piece of post-it note over the camera within an hour of taking my Macbook out of the box......it just bugged me to see the camera pointing at me all the time.</p><p>The kids would get into trouble for disabling the cameras or trying to jailbreak their systems.....a post-it note is a very effective low tech solution.  Here Mr. Pervert Administrator, you can look at baby blue today.....and tomorrows menu is classic yellow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the chain of events that any self-respecting geek would go through : 1 .
Sift through the data , looking for anything worth keeping2 .
Format , re-install OS3 .
Put a piece of a post-it note over the cameraOK , maybe that 's last one is just me.....I put the piece of post-it note over the camera within an hour of taking my Macbook out of the box......it just bugged me to see the camera pointing at me all the time.The kids would get into trouble for disabling the cameras or trying to jailbreak their systems.....a post-it note is a very effective low tech solution .
Here Mr. Pervert Administrator , you can look at baby blue today.....and tomorrows menu is classic yellow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the chain of events that any self-respecting geek would go through:1.
Sift through the data, looking for anything worth keeping2.
Format, re-install OS3.
Put a piece of a post-it note over the cameraOK, maybe that's last one is just me.....I put the piece of post-it note over the camera within an hour of taking my Macbook out of the box......it just bugged me to see the camera pointing at me all the time.The kids would get into trouble for disabling the cameras or trying to jailbreak their systems.....a post-it note is a very effective low tech solution.
Here Mr. Pervert Administrator, you can look at baby blue today.....and tomorrows menu is classic yellow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253628</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1266933360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On my Mac pro with the old external firewire web cam, the green 'on' light would just glow at random times.<br>
No apps where using it and it seemed ok.<br>
After a while you just see it as part of the Macs everyday/week/month cycle.<br>
Some users had 'this cam is in use by another application' errors too.<br>
The green light should be the warning, but with Macs, it can just feel like more eye candy as you get used to the OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On my Mac pro with the old external firewire web cam , the green 'on ' light would just glow at random times .
No apps where using it and it seemed ok . After a while you just see it as part of the Macs everyday/week/month cycle .
Some users had 'this cam is in use by another application ' errors too .
The green light should be the warning , but with Macs , it can just feel like more eye candy as you get used to the OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On my Mac pro with the old external firewire web cam, the green 'on' light would just glow at random times.
No apps where using it and it seemed ok.
After a while you just see it as part of the Macs everyday/week/month cycle.
Some users had 'this cam is in use by another application' errors too.
The green light should be the warning, but with Macs, it can just feel like more eye candy as you get used to the OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252638</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing a little tape can't fix...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. So you visitting a hospital fixes the issue of me stabbing you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
So you visitting a hospital fixes the issue of me stabbing you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
So you visitting a hospital fixes the issue of me stabbing you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252558</id>
	<title>fines? who about hardtime for child porn?</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1266928320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fines? who about hard time for child porn? and for trying to cover it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fines ?
who about hard time for child porn ?
and for trying to cover it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fines?
who about hard time for child porn?
and for trying to cover it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253240</id>
	<title>Re:School District = Child Pornographers</title>
	<author>Tanman</author>
	<datestamp>1266931440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, this is exactly what I was thinking.  If this thing is going off while the cheerleading squad leader has her computer on her desk in the bedroom . . . isn't taking that pic and storing it on school computers punishable by some really hard time?</p><p>IMO they should throw everyone responsible in the can and generate some new jobs for the economy simultaneously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , this is exactly what I was thinking .
If this thing is going off while the cheerleading squad leader has her computer on her desk in the bedroom .
. .
is n't taking that pic and storing it on school computers punishable by some really hard time ? IMO they should throw everyone responsible in the can and generate some new jobs for the economy simultaneously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, this is exactly what I was thinking.
If this thing is going off while the cheerleading squad leader has her computer on her desk in the bedroom .
. .
isn't taking that pic and storing it on school computers punishable by some really hard time?IMO they should throw everyone responsible in the can and generate some new jobs for the economy simultaneously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31263172</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1265142420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better idea: Use a tape that wouldn't leave adhesive behind (3M makes several kinds of this stuff). Then, before you return to school with the laptop, remove the tape and clean the area.</p><p>It's a bit pricier, but it rams a nice potassium spike in the potential "I see marks on the camera" counterargument.</p><p>And by all means, <i>take their asses to court</i>-- I would normally give them the courtesy of trying to explain their behavior, but there's a lot about this that indicates a lot of hidden, rotten stuff on the administrators' end. These administrators are abusers of power, and the only language they will ever understand is a summary judgment against them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better idea : Use a tape that would n't leave adhesive behind ( 3M makes several kinds of this stuff ) .
Then , before you return to school with the laptop , remove the tape and clean the area.It 's a bit pricier , but it rams a nice potassium spike in the potential " I see marks on the camera " counterargument.And by all means , take their asses to court-- I would normally give them the courtesy of trying to explain their behavior , but there 's a lot about this that indicates a lot of hidden , rotten stuff on the administrators ' end .
These administrators are abusers of power , and the only language they will ever understand is a summary judgment against them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better idea: Use a tape that wouldn't leave adhesive behind (3M makes several kinds of this stuff).
Then, before you return to school with the laptop, remove the tape and clean the area.It's a bit pricier, but it rams a nice potassium spike in the potential "I see marks on the camera" counterargument.And by all means, take their asses to court-- I would normally give them the courtesy of trying to explain their behavior, but there's a lot about this that indicates a lot of hidden, rotten stuff on the administrators' end.
These administrators are abusers of power, and the only language they will ever understand is a summary judgment against them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257158</id>
	<title>Re:Apple</title>
	<author>captainpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1265107440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the same time, Apple users (and anyone else with a webcam) may want to simply cover the lens of the camera when it's not in use.</p><p>It would be a 2 cent "feature" from Apple to provide this... And while it's not there, a simple tape (with a non-sticky part over the lens) will do the job.</p><p>You can hack all the software you want, or use existing software features provided, but no hacker can hack through a real world plastic cover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the same time , Apple users ( and anyone else with a webcam ) may want to simply cover the lens of the camera when it 's not in use.It would be a 2 cent " feature " from Apple to provide this... And while it 's not there , a simple tape ( with a non-sticky part over the lens ) will do the job.You can hack all the software you want , or use existing software features provided , but no hacker can hack through a real world plastic cover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the same time, Apple users (and anyone else with a webcam) may want to simply cover the lens of the camera when it's not in use.It would be a 2 cent "feature" from Apple to provide this... And while it's not there, a simple tape (with a non-sticky part over the lens) will do the job.You can hack all the software you want, or use existing software features provided, but no hacker can hack through a real world plastic cover.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256208</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1266953640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>Students DID notice the little green lights turning on. Many, many times. When they reported this to the district, the district said it was a "glitch."</i>
</p><p>
In an indictment, that turns into "knowingly, willfully, and with intent to defraud".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Students DID notice the little green lights turning on .
Many , many times .
When they reported this to the district , the district said it was a " glitch .
" In an indictment , that turns into " knowingly , willfully , and with intent to defraud " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Students DID notice the little green lights turning on.
Many, many times.
When they reported this to the district, the district said it was a "glitch.
"

In an indictment, that turns into "knowingly, willfully, and with intent to defraud".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253126</id>
	<title>Webcam activation LEDs still "glitching"???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266931020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has been reported that many LM District students had noticed their laptop webcam activation lights coming on briefly at times, and when some of the students complained about it they were told by administrators that it was just a "glitch."  In light of the judicial and FBI attention now cast, I wonder if these so-called "glitches" have somehow mysteriously stopped occurring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been reported that many LM District students had noticed their laptop webcam activation lights coming on briefly at times , and when some of the students complained about it they were told by administrators that it was just a " glitch .
" In light of the judicial and FBI attention now cast , I wonder if these so-called " glitches " have somehow mysteriously stopped occurring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been reported that many LM District students had noticed their laptop webcam activation lights coming on briefly at times, and when some of the students complained about it they were told by administrators that it was just a "glitch.
"  In light of the judicial and FBI attention now cast, I wonder if these so-called "glitches" have somehow mysteriously stopped occurring.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255676</id>
	<title>Re:School District = Child Pornographers</title>
	<author>tsstahl</author>
	<datestamp>1266948180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't think he had a hard drive bonfire the night this story broke?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't think he had a hard drive bonfire the night this story broke ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't think he had a hard drive bonfire the night this story broke?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255584</id>
	<title>LANrev is not spyware</title>
	<author>selgart</author>
	<datestamp>1266947400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;  how to determine if their school-issued laptops were infected with the LANRev software</p><p>I'd like to point out that LANrev is not spyware, but rather it's very powerful remote management software with a strong emphasis on Macs. You can use LANrev to easily install or update software on any machine on your network from a master machine. You can also use it for software inventories and remote maintenance. </p><p>Also, machines don't get "infected" with it. It's installed by a network admin so they work on machines when nobody's using them, or to schedule installs at night. As a Mac IT guy I've used it on several networks, and it's well designed and effective. It's hardly LANrev's fault that a school admin is misusing the software. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; how to determine if their school-issued laptops were infected with the LANRev softwareI 'd like to point out that LANrev is not spyware , but rather it 's very powerful remote management software with a strong emphasis on Macs .
You can use LANrev to easily install or update software on any machine on your network from a master machine .
You can also use it for software inventories and remote maintenance .
Also , machines do n't get " infected " with it .
It 's installed by a network admin so they work on machines when nobody 's using them , or to schedule installs at night .
As a Mac IT guy I 've used it on several networks , and it 's well designed and effective .
It 's hardly LANrev 's fault that a school admin is misusing the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;  how to determine if their school-issued laptops were infected with the LANRev softwareI'd like to point out that LANrev is not spyware, but rather it's very powerful remote management software with a strong emphasis on Macs.
You can use LANrev to easily install or update software on any machine on your network from a master machine.
You can also use it for software inventories and remote maintenance.
Also, machines don't get "infected" with it.
It's installed by a network admin so they work on machines when nobody's using them, or to schedule installs at night.
As a Mac IT guy I've used it on several networks, and it's well designed and effective.
It's hardly LANrev's fault that a school admin is misusing the software. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252748</id>
	<title>If I were one of those kids...</title>
	<author>NecroPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1266929220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think a roll of electrical tape would cover me for the year.</p><p>Along with the excuse of, "Yeah, I left it open.  I must have turned off the lights and been in another room."</p><p>How would they prove otherwise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a roll of electrical tape would cover me for the year.Along with the excuse of , " Yeah , I left it open .
I must have turned off the lights and been in another room .
" How would they prove otherwise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a roll of electrical tape would cover me for the year.Along with the excuse of, "Yeah, I left it open.
I must have turned off the lights and been in another room.
"How would they prove otherwise?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31279382</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>alexo</author>
	<datestamp>1267100160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all students] to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.</p></div></blockquote><p> <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337978/quotes?qt0475093" title="imdb.com">John McClane: [covering the webcam] You think you can, uh, find a track where he is?</a> [imdb.com]<br>Thomas Gabriel: Detective, covering the camera with your hand does not turn off the microphone.</p><p>By the way, splitting a sentence between the subject ant the text is rude.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ Simple lo-tech solution .
I would urge all students ] to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens .
John McClane : [ covering the webcam ] You think you can , uh , find a track where he is ?
[ imdb.com ] Thomas Gabriel : Detective , covering the camera with your hand does not turn off the microphone.By the way , splitting a sentence between the subject ant the text is rude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[Simple lo-tech solution.
I would urge all students] to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.
John McClane: [covering the webcam] You think you can, uh, find a track where he is?
[imdb.com]Thomas Gabriel: Detective, covering the camera with your hand does not turn off the microphone.By the way, splitting a sentence between the subject ant the text is rude.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253298</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266931740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lower Merion is one of the richest school districts in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.</p><p>Also, I believe that the state funded this in part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lower Merion is one of the richest school districts in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.Also , I believe that the state funded this in part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lower Merion is one of the richest school districts in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.Also, I believe that the state funded this in part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253748</id>
	<title>Re:So what?</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1266934020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wow look what happened, the school got in trouble.   Here's how you figure out if the software is installed, on Windows just look in the registry with regedit, on Mac just use the terminal, if you can't do either because you don't know how then log off facebook and get some real skills that will serve you in life.</p></div><p>I realize this is Slashdot, but RTFA or STFU before you log off MySpace and attempt to get modded 'insightful' here.</p><p>Admins disabled the terminal. Students are disciplined severely for jail-breaking the laptop. None of the laptops ran Windows. What's your next tech comment, Senator Stevens? </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow look what happened , the school got in trouble .
Here 's how you figure out if the software is installed , on Windows just look in the registry with regedit , on Mac just use the terminal , if you ca n't do either because you do n't know how then log off facebook and get some real skills that will serve you in life.I realize this is Slashdot , but RTFA or STFU before you log off MySpace and attempt to get modded 'insightful ' here.Admins disabled the terminal .
Students are disciplined severely for jail-breaking the laptop .
None of the laptops ran Windows .
What 's your next tech comment , Senator Stevens ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow look what happened, the school got in trouble.
Here's how you figure out if the software is installed, on Windows just look in the registry with regedit, on Mac just use the terminal, if you can't do either because you don't know how then log off facebook and get some real skills that will serve you in life.I realize this is Slashdot, but RTFA or STFU before you log off MySpace and attempt to get modded 'insightful' here.Admins disabled the terminal.
Students are disciplined severely for jail-breaking the laptop.
None of the laptops ran Windows.
What's your next tech comment, Senator Stevens? 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253024</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254308</id>
	<title>Re:School = Government</title>
	<author>sedmonds</author>
	<datestamp>1266937560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem with treating the school as an indivisible entity:<p>The taxpayers pay the bill.  The douchebags that thought that this camera program without a police report for the stolen laptop will be back to ill thought out plans unhindered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with treating the school as an indivisible entity : The taxpayers pay the bill .
The douchebags that thought that this camera program without a police report for the stolen laptop will be back to ill thought out plans unhindered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with treating the school as an indivisible entity:The taxpayers pay the bill.
The douchebags that thought that this camera program without a police report for the stolen laptop will be back to ill thought out plans unhindered.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252658</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254874</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1266941400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, paint over the lens with "whiteout". Effective at blocking any image capture but easy to remove and replace if YOU want to use the camera. Also easy to remove when you have to return the laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , paint over the lens with " whiteout " .
Effective at blocking any image capture but easy to remove and replace if YOU want to use the camera .
Also easy to remove when you have to return the laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, paint over the lens with "whiteout".
Effective at blocking any image capture but easy to remove and replace if YOU want to use the camera.
Also easy to remove when you have to return the laptop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31260784</id>
	<title>They have money...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live right next to this school district...</p><p>It is very wealthy school district and can easily afford MacBooks. Most of the public districts in Philadelphia and the outskirts, though, are dirt poor, since the rich kids go to private Catholic schools.</p><p>But, really, if this were a poor school district, do you think this even would have made the news? The only reason this is in the news is because at least one rich family hired a lawyer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live right next to this school district...It is very wealthy school district and can easily afford MacBooks .
Most of the public districts in Philadelphia and the outskirts , though , are dirt poor , since the rich kids go to private Catholic schools.But , really , if this were a poor school district , do you think this even would have made the news ?
The only reason this is in the news is because at least one rich family hired a lawyer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live right next to this school district...It is very wealthy school district and can easily afford MacBooks.
Most of the public districts in Philadelphia and the outskirts, though, are dirt poor, since the rich kids go to private Catholic schools.But, really, if this were a poor school district, do you think this even would have made the news?
The only reason this is in the news is because at least one rich family hired a lawyer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253384</id>
	<title>Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all students</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266932160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.</p><p>I don't care what the school tells you, these people were spying on you. Perbix is obviously a voyeur who got off on being able to do this, and with students posting about how they were FORCED to use these laptops and how any attempt to disable the software could result in expulsion - I would NOT trust that school district, because the only reason this is coming out is because they got caught.</p><p>I would tape the cam lens, and if anyone said anything about it, you would know that the the cam had been actived at a time when the laptop HAD NOT been reported stolen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.I do n't care what the school tells you , these people were spying on you .
Perbix is obviously a voyeur who got off on being able to do this , and with students posting about how they were FORCED to use these laptops and how any attempt to disable the software could result in expulsion - I would NOT trust that school district , because the only reason this is coming out is because they got caught.I would tape the cam lens , and if anyone said anything about it , you would know that the the cam had been actived at a time when the laptop HAD NOT been reported stolen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.I don't care what the school tells you, these people were spying on you.
Perbix is obviously a voyeur who got off on being able to do this, and with students posting about how they were FORCED to use these laptops and how any attempt to disable the software could result in expulsion - I would NOT trust that school district, because the only reason this is coming out is because they got caught.I would tape the cam lens, and if anyone said anything about it, you would know that the the cam had been actived at a time when the laptop HAD NOT been reported stolen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253962</id>
	<title>Tape could get expelled</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1266935220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>according to the strydehax link, student were forbiden to do that or anything else.<br>In fact they were forced to expose themselves to spying if they wanted to stay in the school.<br>One of them mention being short of getting expelled for disabling the webcam and only remaining in the school because back then, the school didn't explicitly state that disabling it was forbiden.</p><p>Probably that the only school-compatible method would be to store and use the laptop in a separate small room with the webcam pointing to a neutral background (say a closer with the camera pointing to a white bed-sheet covered wall), so there wouldn't be anything useful to spy on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>according to the strydehax link , student were forbiden to do that or anything else.In fact they were forced to expose themselves to spying if they wanted to stay in the school.One of them mention being short of getting expelled for disabling the webcam and only remaining in the school because back then , the school did n't explicitly state that disabling it was forbiden.Probably that the only school-compatible method would be to store and use the laptop in a separate small room with the webcam pointing to a neutral background ( say a closer with the camera pointing to a white bed-sheet covered wall ) , so there would n't be anything useful to spy on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>according to the strydehax link, student were forbiden to do that or anything else.In fact they were forced to expose themselves to spying if they wanted to stay in the school.One of them mention being short of getting expelled for disabling the webcam and only remaining in the school because back then, the school didn't explicitly state that disabling it was forbiden.Probably that the only school-compatible method would be to store and use the laptop in a separate small room with the webcam pointing to a neutral background (say a closer with the camera pointing to a white bed-sheet covered wall), so there wouldn't be anything useful to spy on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252504</id>
	<title>The court needs to stop them from wiping HDD's in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The court needs to stop them from wiping HDD's in the systems before any evidence is wiped away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The court needs to stop them from wiping HDD 's in the systems before any evidence is wiped away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The court needs to stop them from wiping HDD's in the systems before any evidence is wiped away.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253236</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1266931440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may come as a shock to you but not all public school systems are funded equally.  The higher the property values, the greater the amount of tax money.  Some people try to sneak their kids into these over-funded districts by claiming that they live in the district.  So while the povs go to overcrowded, nearly asbestos-free schools with leaky pipes, kids in rich districts get free MacBooks.</p><p>As with most things in life, the Simpsons did it.  My Tivo even picked up that episode recently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may come as a shock to you but not all public school systems are funded equally .
The higher the property values , the greater the amount of tax money .
Some people try to sneak their kids into these over-funded districts by claiming that they live in the district .
So while the povs go to overcrowded , nearly asbestos-free schools with leaky pipes , kids in rich districts get free MacBooks.As with most things in life , the Simpsons did it .
My Tivo even picked up that episode recently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may come as a shock to you but not all public school systems are funded equally.
The higher the property values, the greater the amount of tax money.
Some people try to sneak their kids into these over-funded districts by claiming that they live in the district.
So while the povs go to overcrowded, nearly asbestos-free schools with leaky pipes, kids in rich districts get free MacBooks.As with most things in life, the Simpsons did it.
My Tivo even picked up that episode recently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255854</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266949860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is the FBI is going "Hey that was a pretty nifty trick"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is the FBI is going " Hey that was a pretty nifty trick "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is the FBI is going "Hey that was a pretty nifty trick"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252704</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254610</id>
	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266939660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When are the "cheerleaders getting <strong>UN</strong>dressed" videos going to leak?</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When are the " cheerleaders getting UNdressed " videos going to leak ? There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When are the "cheerleaders getting UNdressed" videos going to leak?There, fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253322</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1266931860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A civil judgment awarding significant damages will give a good incentive for other districts to not do this in the future (and for this one to not do it again).</p><p>Of course said parents should be selling there house now, they can buy it back once the property taxes have gone to the moon and hence the price down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A civil judgment awarding significant damages will give a good incentive for other districts to not do this in the future ( and for this one to not do it again ) .Of course said parents should be selling there house now , they can buy it back once the property taxes have gone to the moon and hence the price down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A civil judgment awarding significant damages will give a good incentive for other districts to not do this in the future (and for this one to not do it again).Of course said parents should be selling there house now, they can buy it back once the property taxes have gone to the moon and hence the price down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252704</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255256</id>
	<title>Re:Simple lo-tech solution. I would urge all stude</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266944280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe you should put on your tinfoil hat after, but as a rule I think it's always a good idea to unplug webcams when your not using them or put tape on laptop ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe you should put on your tinfoil hat after , but as a rule I think it 's always a good idea to unplug webcams when your not using them or put tape on laptop ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe you should put on your tinfoil hat after, but as a rule I think it's always a good idea to unplug webcams when your not using them or put tape on laptop ones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253384</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252706</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266928980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are you just tuning in?</p><p>they did see the green lights, and many did cover it with electrical tape, while others went to the school and asked about it, the school replied "it's a software glitch, the cameras are by no means taking pictures of you we assure you". Some bought the BS, some didn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are you just tuning in ? they did see the green lights , and many did cover it with electrical tape , while others went to the school and asked about it , the school replied " it 's a software glitch , the cameras are by no means taking pictures of you we assure you " .
Some bought the BS , some did n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you just tuning in?they did see the green lights, and many did cover it with electrical tape, while others went to the school and asked about it, the school replied "it's a software glitch, the cameras are by no means taking pictures of you we assure you".
Some bought the BS, some didn't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252788</id>
	<title>My initial theory is looking more likely.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266929340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The stryde.hax writeup is enlightening and also terrifying. My initial theory, that this was all a scheme cooked up by a perverted IT "professional" in order to acquire a rich, on-demand source of child porn, is looking a lot more likely. If true, the IT admin, school board, and any administrators who approved the use of the technology should be tried under RICO statutes for conspiring to produce child pornography. These people should be imprisoned for life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The stryde.hax writeup is enlightening and also terrifying .
My initial theory , that this was all a scheme cooked up by a perverted IT " professional " in order to acquire a rich , on-demand source of child porn , is looking a lot more likely .
If true , the IT admin , school board , and any administrators who approved the use of the technology should be tried under RICO statutes for conspiring to produce child pornography .
These people should be imprisoned for life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The stryde.hax writeup is enlightening and also terrifying.
My initial theory, that this was all a scheme cooked up by a perverted IT "professional" in order to acquire a rich, on-demand source of child porn, is looking a lot more likely.
If true, the IT admin, school board, and any administrators who approved the use of the technology should be tried under RICO statutes for conspiring to produce child pornography.
These people should be imprisoned for life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31258194</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1265119440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are going to get wupped for sure. Which is going to mean that the folks in the class action are going to get lots of money and the resources available for education in this district are going to be severely depleted.</p><p>The gain for those in the suit will be a short term financial affirmation that they screwed money out of a school that was trying to protect assets for the benefit of the pupils and overstepped the mark. Possibly one/some staff member(s) acted illegally too.</p><p>The loss will be in the education of, depending on the award, all pupils in the district.</p><p>Another great day for justice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are going to get wupped for sure .
Which is going to mean that the folks in the class action are going to get lots of money and the resources available for education in this district are going to be severely depleted.The gain for those in the suit will be a short term financial affirmation that they screwed money out of a school that was trying to protect assets for the benefit of the pupils and overstepped the mark .
Possibly one/some staff member ( s ) acted illegally too.The loss will be in the education of , depending on the award , all pupils in the district.Another great day for justice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are going to get wupped for sure.
Which is going to mean that the folks in the class action are going to get lots of money and the resources available for education in this district are going to be severely depleted.The gain for those in the suit will be a short term financial affirmation that they screwed money out of a school that was trying to protect assets for the benefit of the pupils and overstepped the mark.
Possibly one/some staff member(s) acted illegally too.The loss will be in the education of, depending on the award, all pupils in the district.Another great day for justice?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252562</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253062</id>
	<title>Re:It gets worse. They've been harrassing students</title>
	<author>andreMA</author>
	<datestamp>1266930720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the lawsuit can be amended to include slander, and the entire student body are potential witnesses.<p>These people shouldn't be employed as janitors, let alone school administrators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the lawsuit can be amended to include slander , and the entire student body are potential witnesses.These people should n't be employed as janitors , let alone school administrators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the lawsuit can be amended to include slander, and the entire student body are potential witnesses.These people shouldn't be employed as janitors, let alone school administrators.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252610</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252840</id>
	<title>School District = Child Pornographers</title>
	<author>RedLeg</author>
	<datestamp>1266929580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the school district thinks they have trouble now....</p><p>One good wank or any other nudity captured by this webcam mechanism turns the school district into child pornographers.</p><p>If this numbnuts administrator is st00pid enuf to spy on this psrticular kid, odds are it ain't the first time, and he's probably got the goods on his workstation.</p><p>I'd love to pull a forensic image of that drive and give it a good once over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the school district thinks they have trouble now....One good wank or any other nudity captured by this webcam mechanism turns the school district into child pornographers.If this numbnuts administrator is st00pid enuf to spy on this psrticular kid , odds are it ai n't the first time , and he 's probably got the goods on his workstation.I 'd love to pull a forensic image of that drive and give it a good once over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the school district thinks they have trouble now....One good wank or any other nudity captured by this webcam mechanism turns the school district into child pornographers.If this numbnuts administrator is st00pid enuf to spy on this psrticular kid, odds are it ain't the first time, and he's probably got the goods on his workstation.I'd love to pull a forensic image of that drive and give it a good once over.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256958</id>
	<title>The double-standard is what's confusing me...</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1265104920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are the teachers homes being raided and their PCs seized for analysis?</p><p>If it was anybody else there'd be police raids and mugshots in local papers. Why the double standard? Are teachers given special exemptions like priests?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are the teachers homes being raided and their PCs seized for analysis ? If it was anybody else there 'd be police raids and mugshots in local papers .
Why the double standard ?
Are teachers given special exemptions like priests ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are the teachers homes being raided and their PCs seized for analysis?If it was anybody else there'd be police raids and mugshots in local papers.
Why the double standard?
Are teachers given special exemptions like priests?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252290</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252716</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1266928980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would you people please read up on the fucking background before commenting?</p><p> <em>Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?</em> </p><p>Students DID notice the little green lights turning on. Many, many times. When they reported this to the district, the district said it was a "glitch."</p><p> <em>Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?</em> </p><p>Why don't you walk around wearing a bullet proof vest? "Who cares if the district can spy on you, you can defeat them with tape." Uh, the school district <i>shouldn't be fucking spying on students</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you people please read up on the fucking background before commenting ?
Why did n't these people see the green light next to the camera ?
Students DID notice the little green lights turning on .
Many , many times .
When they reported this to the district , the district said it was a " glitch .
" Why did n't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape ?
Why do n't you walk around wearing a bullet proof vest ?
" Who cares if the district can spy on you , you can defeat them with tape .
" Uh , the school district should n't be fucking spying on students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you people please read up on the fucking background before commenting?
Why didn't these people see the green light next to the camera?
Students DID notice the little green lights turning on.
Many, many times.
When they reported this to the district, the district said it was a "glitch.
" Why didn't they cover the camera with a little electrical tape?
Why don't you walk around wearing a bullet proof vest?
"Who cares if the district can spy on you, you can defeat them with tape.
" Uh, the school district shouldn't be fucking spying on students.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255012</id>
	<title>Re:This is absurd</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1266942420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This software was not purposed for the invasion of privacy but the users/sysadmins made it that way. This software is a management tool for distribution of patches to software similar to eg. an apt-get repository combined with Puppet. Again, this tool can be used or abused.</p><p>The problem is that you don't have a proper separation of duties nor a proper oversight of the use of resources. However this is a problem in most schools and probably a lot of companies as well. If you have a company laptop, you could be the victim as well however since it's not kids being spied on it probably wouldn't make headlines. This is the perfect storm of 'think of the children' vs. 'oh no hakzor tarrarists'.</p><p>Another issue is that for the Windows platform you practically need this type of software and the bigger issue is that the sysadmins didn't know about or how to use the standard, built-in tools the rest of the industry uses so they needed something that can be installed and used in a click or two and costs quite a few thousands of our tax money as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This software was not purposed for the invasion of privacy but the users/sysadmins made it that way .
This software is a management tool for distribution of patches to software similar to eg .
an apt-get repository combined with Puppet .
Again , this tool can be used or abused.The problem is that you do n't have a proper separation of duties nor a proper oversight of the use of resources .
However this is a problem in most schools and probably a lot of companies as well .
If you have a company laptop , you could be the victim as well however since it 's not kids being spied on it probably would n't make headlines .
This is the perfect storm of 'think of the children ' vs. 'oh no hakzor tarrarists'.Another issue is that for the Windows platform you practically need this type of software and the bigger issue is that the sysadmins did n't know about or how to use the standard , built-in tools the rest of the industry uses so they needed something that can be installed and used in a click or two and costs quite a few thousands of our tax money as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This software was not purposed for the invasion of privacy but the users/sysadmins made it that way.
This software is a management tool for distribution of patches to software similar to eg.
an apt-get repository combined with Puppet.
Again, this tool can be used or abused.The problem is that you don't have a proper separation of duties nor a proper oversight of the use of resources.
However this is a problem in most schools and probably a lot of companies as well.
If you have a company laptop, you could be the victim as well however since it's not kids being spied on it probably wouldn't make headlines.
This is the perfect storm of 'think of the children' vs. 'oh no hakzor tarrarists'.Another issue is that for the Windows platform you practically need this type of software and the bigger issue is that the sysadmins didn't know about or how to use the standard, built-in tools the rest of the industry uses so they needed something that can be installed and used in a click or two and costs quite a few thousands of our tax money as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252328</id>
	<title>This is absurd</title>
	<author>cntThnkofAname</author>
	<datestamp>1266927180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's bad enough that overzealous law systems stop school from doing their job, but now it looks like schools feel they have the right to invade students privacy (perhaps to save face on a possible lawsuit??)... ah the irony of an institution that teaches the constitution and doesn't feel bound by it. No matter how "good" the intentions of the school, this should NEVER be allowed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's bad enough that overzealous law systems stop school from doing their job , but now it looks like schools feel they have the right to invade students privacy ( perhaps to save face on a possible lawsuit ? ? ) .. .
ah the irony of an institution that teaches the constitution and does n't feel bound by it .
No matter how " good " the intentions of the school , this should NEVER be allowed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's bad enough that overzealous law systems stop school from doing their job, but now it looks like schools feel they have the right to invade students privacy (perhaps to save face on a possible lawsuit??)...
ah the irony of an institution that teaches the constitution and doesn't feel bound by it.
No matter how "good" the intentions of the school, this should NEVER be allowed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252818</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1266929460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Talking about parenting, this kind of stuff would be going way too far even for parents. If parents shouldn't do it, schools have no reason to go near it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Talking about parenting , this kind of stuff would be going way too far even for parents .
If parents should n't do it , schools have no reason to go near it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talking about parenting, this kind of stuff would be going way too far even for parents.
If parents shouldn't do it, schools have no reason to go near it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252478</id>
	<title>'At school' versus 'not at school'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266927960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reading one of the articles, on the possible surveillance used, it seems like people have conflicting points.  I will make an over arching statement that I think everything the school district did was wrong because there was not full disclosure.  I think many of the problems might have been solved with disclosure and a better thought out policy.
<p>
First, monitoring the computers at school.  Many, if not all, schools have software to monitor the users actions on school computers.  This is particularly useful for testing, or simply to make sure students are on tasks.  Traditionally these computers have been school based desktops, so home issues are not a problem.  Also, traditionally these computers have been monitored by people the students know, and the rules are well known. In this way extension to the laptop makes sense.
</p><p>
Which leads to the second question.  Can student use a personal computer at school.  I would say that school policy would go either way.  I might suggest that a teacher might not want a students to use a unmonitored computer in a classroom where all the other computers are monitored.  In TFA, a study hall situation was mentioned where the computer was taken up.  The kid, of course, is not going to mention if they were off task, perhaps downloading music from limewire, but there may have been a reason.  A school does not have to allow a personal computer any more than an iPod.
</p><p>
That said there should be a provision where a student can carry a personal computer which is used in unmonitored situation.  In my experience, most of a students work can fit on an external drive, and it is not a big deal to hook it up, especially to Macs.  Since MS machines require a driver for every single device, no matter how generic, there can be issues with permissions.
</p><p>
That said, laptops in schools is not a simple solution to anything.  Taxpayers need to have their property protected, and students are a special case when it comes to spying by adults.  Children are also a special case when it comes to the often underpaid employees who are paid to monitor the network.  If policies and audit trails are not clearly laid out, then parent will of course be concerned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading one of the articles , on the possible surveillance used , it seems like people have conflicting points .
I will make an over arching statement that I think everything the school district did was wrong because there was not full disclosure .
I think many of the problems might have been solved with disclosure and a better thought out policy .
First , monitoring the computers at school .
Many , if not all , schools have software to monitor the users actions on school computers .
This is particularly useful for testing , or simply to make sure students are on tasks .
Traditionally these computers have been school based desktops , so home issues are not a problem .
Also , traditionally these computers have been monitored by people the students know , and the rules are well known .
In this way extension to the laptop makes sense .
Which leads to the second question .
Can student use a personal computer at school .
I would say that school policy would go either way .
I might suggest that a teacher might not want a students to use a unmonitored computer in a classroom where all the other computers are monitored .
In TFA , a study hall situation was mentioned where the computer was taken up .
The kid , of course , is not going to mention if they were off task , perhaps downloading music from limewire , but there may have been a reason .
A school does not have to allow a personal computer any more than an iPod .
That said there should be a provision where a student can carry a personal computer which is used in unmonitored situation .
In my experience , most of a students work can fit on an external drive , and it is not a big deal to hook it up , especially to Macs .
Since MS machines require a driver for every single device , no matter how generic , there can be issues with permissions .
That said , laptops in schools is not a simple solution to anything .
Taxpayers need to have their property protected , and students are a special case when it comes to spying by adults .
Children are also a special case when it comes to the often underpaid employees who are paid to monitor the network .
If policies and audit trails are not clearly laid out , then parent will of course be concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading one of the articles, on the possible surveillance used, it seems like people have conflicting points.
I will make an over arching statement that I think everything the school district did was wrong because there was not full disclosure.
I think many of the problems might have been solved with disclosure and a better thought out policy.
First, monitoring the computers at school.
Many, if not all, schools have software to monitor the users actions on school computers.
This is particularly useful for testing, or simply to make sure students are on tasks.
Traditionally these computers have been school based desktops, so home issues are not a problem.
Also, traditionally these computers have been monitored by people the students know, and the rules are well known.
In this way extension to the laptop makes sense.
Which leads to the second question.
Can student use a personal computer at school.
I would say that school policy would go either way.
I might suggest that a teacher might not want a students to use a unmonitored computer in a classroom where all the other computers are monitored.
In TFA, a study hall situation was mentioned where the computer was taken up.
The kid, of course, is not going to mention if they were off task, perhaps downloading music from limewire, but there may have been a reason.
A school does not have to allow a personal computer any more than an iPod.
That said there should be a provision where a student can carry a personal computer which is used in unmonitored situation.
In my experience, most of a students work can fit on an external drive, and it is not a big deal to hook it up, especially to Macs.
Since MS machines require a driver for every single device, no matter how generic, there can be issues with permissions.
That said, laptops in schools is not a simple solution to anything.
Taxpayers need to have their property protected, and students are a special case when it comes to spying by adults.
Children are also a special case when it comes to the often underpaid employees who are paid to monitor the network.
If policies and audit trails are not clearly laid out, then parent will of course be concerned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31258376</id>
	<title>Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda</title>
	<author>happy\_place</author>
	<datestamp>1265120880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The school district should have contacted the local authorities to retrieve the laptops. Even if they had no clue to whom they'd gone, they shouldn't turn them on remotely without some sort of court-ordered backup/warrant. Unfortunately some school administrators think of themselves as a "law unto themselves", are distrustful of parents and the kids they have the opportunity to tutor. This particular incident really stinks of some ulterior shennanigans...  Either the administrators were very naieve (aka. stupid) or they aren't telling the truth about their true motives. With the drug accusation I wonder if there wasn't some sort of personal vendetta/entrapment going on here, where an administrator convinces himself that so-and-so is a 'bad egg' and makes it his life's quest to make the singled-out student pay...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school district should have contacted the local authorities to retrieve the laptops .
Even if they had no clue to whom they 'd gone , they should n't turn them on remotely without some sort of court-ordered backup/warrant .
Unfortunately some school administrators think of themselves as a " law unto themselves " , are distrustful of parents and the kids they have the opportunity to tutor .
This particular incident really stinks of some ulterior shennanigans... Either the administrators were very naieve ( aka .
stupid ) or they are n't telling the truth about their true motives .
With the drug accusation I wonder if there was n't some sort of personal vendetta/entrapment going on here , where an administrator convinces himself that so-and-so is a 'bad egg ' and makes it his life 's quest to make the singled-out student pay.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school district should have contacted the local authorities to retrieve the laptops.
Even if they had no clue to whom they'd gone, they shouldn't turn them on remotely without some sort of court-ordered backup/warrant.
Unfortunately some school administrators think of themselves as a "law unto themselves", are distrustful of parents and the kids they have the opportunity to tutor.
This particular incident really stinks of some ulterior shennanigans...  Either the administrators were very naieve (aka.
stupid) or they aren't telling the truth about their true motives.
With the drug accusation I wonder if there wasn't some sort of personal vendetta/entrapment going on here, where an administrator convinces himself that so-and-so is a 'bad egg' and makes it his life's quest to make the singled-out student pay...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252610</id>
	<title>It gets worse. They've been harrassing students</title>
	<author>jeko</author>
	<datestamp>1266928560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:</p><p><i>"...school district employees, including the superintendent, Christopher McGinley,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... making 'loud speaker announcements to all students allegedly commenting on the litigation, making false and untrue accusations [and] disparaging the Plaintiffs.'"</i></p><p>Who doesn't understand that once the lawyers get involved, you shut the Hell up? What is wrong with these people?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : " ...school district employees , including the superintendent , Christopher McGinley , ... making 'loud speaker announcements to all students allegedly commenting on the litigation , making false and untrue accusations [ and ] disparaging the Plaintiffs .
' " Who does n't understand that once the lawyers get involved , you shut the Hell up ?
What is wrong with these people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:"...school district employees, including the superintendent, Christopher McGinley, ... making 'loud speaker announcements to all students allegedly commenting on the litigation, making false and untrue accusations [and] disparaging the Plaintiffs.
'"Who doesn't understand that once the lawyers get involved, you shut the Hell up?
What is wrong with these people?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256128</id>
	<title>Re:why isn't this</title>
	<author>Blue\_Wombat</author>
	<datestamp>1266952740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And if *any* of the children was under 18 and an image captured was stored anywhere on the system, it's also production of child porn (which has a much higher penalty than peeping AFAIK)</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if * any * of the children was under 18 and an image captured was stored anywhere on the system , it 's also production of child porn ( which has a much higher penalty than peeping AFAIK )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if *any* of the children was under 18 and an image captured was stored anywhere on the system, it's also production of child porn (which has a much higher penalty than peeping AFAIK)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252828</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>hldn</author>
	<datestamp>1266929520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>read the links!</p><p>1. some kids did. if they brought this up with the school tech people, they were told it was a 'malfunction'<br>2. some kids did. most didn't think the school would be so stupid as to commit such an invasion of privacy. oops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>read the links ! 1 .
some kids did .
if they brought this up with the school tech people , they were told it was a 'malfunction'2 .
some kids did .
most did n't think the school would be so stupid as to commit such an invasion of privacy .
oops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>read the links!1.
some kids did.
if they brought this up with the school tech people, they were told it was a 'malfunction'2.
some kids did.
most didn't think the school would be so stupid as to commit such an invasion of privacy.
oops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252920</id>
	<title>Theft vs Privacy</title>
	<author>FartKnockerz</author>
	<datestamp>1266929940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I understand the need to deter theft and misuse of the school district's property by a group of users that are less than 'computer savvy', prone to loss of expensive capital, and pretty smart about the opportunity to sell something like this on eBay -- this instance is a pure privacy violation.</p><p>If the school district did not have the laptop reported to it's IT department as stolen or missing, why were the cameras even activated?  There have been reports around that the 'privacy light' indicator that the web cam is working was on so frequently that the students would put tape or sticky notes in front of the camera to avoid being spied on.</p><p>While kids can be pretty naive about some things, this generation and the one before it is probably quite a bit computer and Internet savvy; not to mention the fact that kids are generally more intuitive than adults -- they have less of a 'societal filter' than jaded adults do.</p><p>If the kids were blocking the web cams, and if the principal saw a student eating candy -- I'm pretty sure that these web cams were activated.</p><p>My question, is why? Especially if the capital had not been reported as stolen or missing?  Perhaps some IT dude has a jones for young girls and thought he could catch one 'indisposed'?</p><p>There is more than meets the eye here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I understand the need to deter theft and misuse of the school district 's property by a group of users that are less than 'computer savvy ' , prone to loss of expensive capital , and pretty smart about the opportunity to sell something like this on eBay -- this instance is a pure privacy violation.If the school district did not have the laptop reported to it 's IT department as stolen or missing , why were the cameras even activated ?
There have been reports around that the 'privacy light ' indicator that the web cam is working was on so frequently that the students would put tape or sticky notes in front of the camera to avoid being spied on.While kids can be pretty naive about some things , this generation and the one before it is probably quite a bit computer and Internet savvy ; not to mention the fact that kids are generally more intuitive than adults -- they have less of a 'societal filter ' than jaded adults do.If the kids were blocking the web cams , and if the principal saw a student eating candy -- I 'm pretty sure that these web cams were activated.My question , is why ?
Especially if the capital had not been reported as stolen or missing ?
Perhaps some IT dude has a jones for young girls and thought he could catch one 'indisposed ' ? There is more than meets the eye here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I understand the need to deter theft and misuse of the school district's property by a group of users that are less than 'computer savvy', prone to loss of expensive capital, and pretty smart about the opportunity to sell something like this on eBay -- this instance is a pure privacy violation.If the school district did not have the laptop reported to it's IT department as stolen or missing, why were the cameras even activated?
There have been reports around that the 'privacy light' indicator that the web cam is working was on so frequently that the students would put tape or sticky notes in front of the camera to avoid being spied on.While kids can be pretty naive about some things, this generation and the one before it is probably quite a bit computer and Internet savvy; not to mention the fact that kids are generally more intuitive than adults -- they have less of a 'societal filter' than jaded adults do.If the kids were blocking the web cams, and if the principal saw a student eating candy -- I'm pretty sure that these web cams were activated.My question, is why?
Especially if the capital had not been reported as stolen or missing?
Perhaps some IT dude has a jones for young girls and thought he could catch one 'indisposed'?There is more than meets the eye here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253260</id>
	<title>What do you mean by now?</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1266931560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What I mean is this attitude with schools has been around for a long time. We had the vice principal sneaking around while classes were in session because he wanted to personally do locker checks and that was 20 years ago. He definitely didn't consider your locker personal space. What's worse is my school wasn't even one that had trouble, just a completely boring suburb school in a boring town. (How bad was he looking for anything? I got detention from one of those trips because he claimed I didn't push my locker completely shut. Yeah, he was a dick.) I'm sure other slash dotters could bring up instances of their high school doing similar shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I mean is this attitude with schools has been around for a long time .
We had the vice principal sneaking around while classes were in session because he wanted to personally do locker checks and that was 20 years ago .
He definitely did n't consider your locker personal space .
What 's worse is my school was n't even one that had trouble , just a completely boring suburb school in a boring town .
( How bad was he looking for anything ?
I got detention from one of those trips because he claimed I did n't push my locker completely shut .
Yeah , he was a dick .
) I 'm sure other slash dotters could bring up instances of their high school doing similar shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I mean is this attitude with schools has been around for a long time.
We had the vice principal sneaking around while classes were in session because he wanted to personally do locker checks and that was 20 years ago.
He definitely didn't consider your locker personal space.
What's worse is my school wasn't even one that had trouble, just a completely boring suburb school in a boring town.
(How bad was he looking for anything?
I got detention from one of those trips because he claimed I didn't push my locker completely shut.
Yeah, he was a dick.
) I'm sure other slash dotters could bring up instances of their high school doing similar shit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257150</id>
	<title>Whew!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265107320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good thing this wasn't being done at my HS back then . . . they would probably have caught me all out spanking the monkey . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing this was n't being done at my HS back then .
. .
they would probably have caught me all out spanking the monkey .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing this wasn't being done at my HS back then .
. .
they would probably have caught me all out spanking the monkey .
. .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253800</id>
	<title>The kid didn't pay for the ability to take it home</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266934320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(Disclaimer: The information route is someone who knows the boy pressing the lawsuit -&gt; granddaughter -&gt; my college prof -&gt; me, so I can't vouch for full accuracy.)
<br> <br>
Lower Marion won some sort of grant, and they opted to spend it on laptops for the student body. The school owned the laptops, and allowed students to take the laptops home if they paid $80 a year; the justification for this was that the insurance for theft/loss would be covered by the fee. Basically, 24/7 access to the laptop had that fee, otherwise you pulled it from some sort of locked station (whether it was mobile or in a set location was not disclosed to me). Faculty would tally the laptops at the end of the day and would note if any were missing.
<br> <br>
If this IS true (again, I can't verify it personally), then it makes sense that the Principal would think it was stolen and would put forth appropriate measures- it would also match comments by someone high up at the school that it was only used for theft and "Interpret that as you like".
<br> <br>
However, a phone call would have sufficed (<i>"Hello, did your son take his laptop home?", "Why yes, he did", "He didn't pay the fee (etc.)"</i>). The monitoring software was NOT mentioned in any way, shape, or form, not even in a general "we can do whatever we want" clause. Additionally, the whole other sea of evidence (students claiming they were nearly expelled for disabling the software by reinstalling the OS) makes.
<br> <br>
Anyhow, the thing that surprised my prof- a computer ethics professor (might be getting a bit specific here. oh well!) - is that his granddaughter was completely in defense of it an (<i>"I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about"</i>). I was completely flabbergasted when I first read about this. I can't believe the students aren't up in arms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Disclaimer : The information route is someone who knows the boy pressing the lawsuit - &gt; granddaughter - &gt; my college prof - &gt; me , so I ca n't vouch for full accuracy .
) Lower Marion won some sort of grant , and they opted to spend it on laptops for the student body .
The school owned the laptops , and allowed students to take the laptops home if they paid $ 80 a year ; the justification for this was that the insurance for theft/loss would be covered by the fee .
Basically , 24/7 access to the laptop had that fee , otherwise you pulled it from some sort of locked station ( whether it was mobile or in a set location was not disclosed to me ) .
Faculty would tally the laptops at the end of the day and would note if any were missing .
If this IS true ( again , I ca n't verify it personally ) , then it makes sense that the Principal would think it was stolen and would put forth appropriate measures- it would also match comments by someone high up at the school that it was only used for theft and " Interpret that as you like " .
However , a phone call would have sufficed ( " Hello , did your son take his laptop home ?
" , " Why yes , he did " , " He did n't pay the fee ( etc. ) " ) .
The monitoring software was NOT mentioned in any way , shape , or form , not even in a general " we can do whatever we want " clause .
Additionally , the whole other sea of evidence ( students claiming they were nearly expelled for disabling the software by reinstalling the OS ) makes .
Anyhow , the thing that surprised my prof- a computer ethics professor ( might be getting a bit specific here .
oh well !
) - is that his granddaughter was completely in defense of it an ( " I 'm not doing anything wrong , so I have nothing to worry about " ) .
I was completely flabbergasted when I first read about this .
I ca n't believe the students are n't up in arms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Disclaimer: The information route is someone who knows the boy pressing the lawsuit -&gt; granddaughter -&gt; my college prof -&gt; me, so I can't vouch for full accuracy.
)
 
Lower Marion won some sort of grant, and they opted to spend it on laptops for the student body.
The school owned the laptops, and allowed students to take the laptops home if they paid $80 a year; the justification for this was that the insurance for theft/loss would be covered by the fee.
Basically, 24/7 access to the laptop had that fee, otherwise you pulled it from some sort of locked station (whether it was mobile or in a set location was not disclosed to me).
Faculty would tally the laptops at the end of the day and would note if any were missing.
If this IS true (again, I can't verify it personally), then it makes sense that the Principal would think it was stolen and would put forth appropriate measures- it would also match comments by someone high up at the school that it was only used for theft and "Interpret that as you like".
However, a phone call would have sufficed ("Hello, did your son take his laptop home?
", "Why yes, he did", "He didn't pay the fee (etc.)").
The monitoring software was NOT mentioned in any way, shape, or form, not even in a general "we can do whatever we want" clause.
Additionally, the whole other sea of evidence (students claiming they were nearly expelled for disabling the software by reinstalling the OS) makes.
Anyhow, the thing that surprised my prof- a computer ethics professor (might be getting a bit specific here.
oh well!
) - is that his granddaughter was completely in defense of it an ("I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about").
I was completely flabbergasted when I first read about this.
I can't believe the students aren't up in arms.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The important question:</title>
	<author>Larryish</author>
	<datestamp>1266932280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if you put black tape over the camera, the school admins can still hear you FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if you put black tape over the camera , the school admins can still hear you FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if you put black tape over the camera, the school admins can still hear you FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP-FAP</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31256468</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA: Some students did cover the camera with tape. Others called them paranoid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : Some students did cover the camera with tape .
Others called them paranoid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: Some students did cover the camera with tape.
Others called them paranoid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253068</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>longhairedgnome</author>
	<datestamp>1266930720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why should you have to cover up the camera at all?(assuming you haven't stolen it...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should you have to cover up the camera at all ?
( assuming you have n't stolen it... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should you have to cover up the camera at all?
(assuming you haven't stolen it...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254224</id>
	<title>Its because of Zero Tolerance:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266936840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>Arrest That Girl! She's Writing On Her Desk!</b> </p><p>"I love my friends Abby and Faith. Lex was here 2/1/10<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)." Alexa Gonzalez penned these words on her desk with a lime-green magic marker, and then added a smiley face. She was bored, waiting for her Spanish teacher to hand back homework at the beginning of class. Shortly after her doodling, the 12-year-old was arrested.</p><p>Alexa, a seventh grader at Junior High School 190 in Forest Hills, New York, suspected that there would be some repercussions for her actions, but she was not ready for the handcuffs and the walk across the street to the police precinct. Worse yet, she was hauled out of her classroom, hands cuffed behind her back, in full view of her teachers and of course her classmates.</p><p>I don't know exactly how this could have happened, but I can only assume that Alexa's Spanish teacher called the principal, who decided that doodling on a desk is a criminal offense, and that an arrest needed to be made. Alexa was detained for several hours at the police precinct, and eventually allowed to leave. (I wonder what questions they asked her during the lengthy interrogation?). Although she had a stellar attendance record, she has not returned to school since. "She's been throwing up," said her mom. "The whole situation has been a nightmare."</p><p>"We're looking at the facts," says City Education Department spokesman David Cantor. "Based on what we've seen so far, this shouldn't have happened." Police spokesman Paul Browne added, "Even when we're asked to make an arrest, common sense should prevail, and discretion used in deciding whether an arrest or handcuffs are really necessary." So, the authorities made a mistake. That's understandable, once in a while.</p><p>But this is not an isolated case. Alexa is only the latest in a series of New York students to be arrested for a minor infraction. Possibly the most famous is 13-year-old Chelsea Fraser, arrested in 2007 for writing "Okay" on her desk at Intermediate School 201. Others include 5-year-old Dennis Rivera, who in 2008 was placed in handcuffs and sent to a psych ward after misbehaving in kindergarten, and a 12-year-old who was arrested in March 2009 for doodling on her desk at the Hunts Point School.</p><p>Across the country, there are plenty more examples of teens and preteens being arrested for seemingly minor offences. In November 2009, a food fight at a middle school in Chicago led to the arrests of 25 students, some as young as 11, according to the Chicago Police Department. And at least 12,000 tickets were issued to tardy or truant students by Los Angeles Police Department and school security officers in 2008. The Strategy Center, a California-based civil rights group that tracks zero tolerance policies, opposes this system. "The theory is that if we fine them, then they won't be late again," says<br>spokesman Manuel Criollo. "But they just end up not going to school at all."</p><p>This is not just about zero tolerance policies gone awry. It's about wilful cruelty to young people, at the hands of the very people who are supposed to be protecting them. When did zero tolerance become zero intelligence?</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero\_tolerance\_(schools)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..........These cases include students being suspended or expelled for transgressions such as possession of ibuprofen (a legal, non-prescription drug commonly used to treat menstrual cramps and headaches) with permission of the students' parents, keeping pocketknives (small utility knife) in cars, and carrying sharp tools outside of a woodshop classroom (where they are often required materials)......</p><p>
    * After bringing a Cub Scouts dinner knife to school to eat his lunch, a six-year-old boy was ordered by Christina School District to attend an alternative school for students with behavioral problems for nine weeks.....<br>
    * A third-grade girl, also in the Christina School District, was expelled for a year because her grandmother sent a birthda</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arrest That Girl !
She 's Writing On Her Desk !
" I love my friends Abby and Faith .
Lex was here 2/1/10 : ) .
" Alexa Gonzalez penned these words on her desk with a lime-green magic marker , and then added a smiley face .
She was bored , waiting for her Spanish teacher to hand back homework at the beginning of class .
Shortly after her doodling , the 12-year-old was arrested.Alexa , a seventh grader at Junior High School 190 in Forest Hills , New York , suspected that there would be some repercussions for her actions , but she was not ready for the handcuffs and the walk across the street to the police precinct .
Worse yet , she was hauled out of her classroom , hands cuffed behind her back , in full view of her teachers and of course her classmates.I do n't know exactly how this could have happened , but I can only assume that Alexa 's Spanish teacher called the principal , who decided that doodling on a desk is a criminal offense , and that an arrest needed to be made .
Alexa was detained for several hours at the police precinct , and eventually allowed to leave .
( I wonder what questions they asked her during the lengthy interrogation ? ) .
Although she had a stellar attendance record , she has not returned to school since .
" She 's been throwing up , " said her mom .
" The whole situation has been a nightmare .
" " We 're looking at the facts , " says City Education Department spokesman David Cantor .
" Based on what we 've seen so far , this should n't have happened .
" Police spokesman Paul Browne added , " Even when we 're asked to make an arrest , common sense should prevail , and discretion used in deciding whether an arrest or handcuffs are really necessary .
" So , the authorities made a mistake .
That 's understandable , once in a while.But this is not an isolated case .
Alexa is only the latest in a series of New York students to be arrested for a minor infraction .
Possibly the most famous is 13-year-old Chelsea Fraser , arrested in 2007 for writing " Okay " on her desk at Intermediate School 201 .
Others include 5-year-old Dennis Rivera , who in 2008 was placed in handcuffs and sent to a psych ward after misbehaving in kindergarten , and a 12-year-old who was arrested in March 2009 for doodling on her desk at the Hunts Point School.Across the country , there are plenty more examples of teens and preteens being arrested for seemingly minor offences .
In November 2009 , a food fight at a middle school in Chicago led to the arrests of 25 students , some as young as 11 , according to the Chicago Police Department .
And at least 12,000 tickets were issued to tardy or truant students by Los Angeles Police Department and school security officers in 2008 .
The Strategy Center , a California-based civil rights group that tracks zero tolerance policies , opposes this system .
" The theory is that if we fine them , then they wo n't be late again , " saysspokesman Manuel Criollo .
" But they just end up not going to school at all .
" This is not just about zero tolerance policies gone awry .
It 's about wilful cruelty to young people , at the hands of the very people who are supposed to be protecting them .
When did zero tolerance become zero intelligence ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero \ _tolerance \ _ ( schools ) ..........These cases include students being suspended or expelled for transgressions such as possession of ibuprofen ( a legal , non-prescription drug commonly used to treat menstrual cramps and headaches ) with permission of the students ' parents , keeping pocketknives ( small utility knife ) in cars , and carrying sharp tools outside of a woodshop classroom ( where they are often required materials ) ..... . * After bringing a Cub Scouts dinner knife to school to eat his lunch , a six-year-old boy was ordered by Christina School District to attend an alternative school for students with behavioral problems for nine weeks.... . * A third-grade girl , also in the Christina School District , was expelled for a year because her grandmother sent a birthda</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Arrest That Girl!
She's Writing On Her Desk!
"I love my friends Abby and Faith.
Lex was here 2/1/10 :).
" Alexa Gonzalez penned these words on her desk with a lime-green magic marker, and then added a smiley face.
She was bored, waiting for her Spanish teacher to hand back homework at the beginning of class.
Shortly after her doodling, the 12-year-old was arrested.Alexa, a seventh grader at Junior High School 190 in Forest Hills, New York, suspected that there would be some repercussions for her actions, but she was not ready for the handcuffs and the walk across the street to the police precinct.
Worse yet, she was hauled out of her classroom, hands cuffed behind her back, in full view of her teachers and of course her classmates.I don't know exactly how this could have happened, but I can only assume that Alexa's Spanish teacher called the principal, who decided that doodling on a desk is a criminal offense, and that an arrest needed to be made.
Alexa was detained for several hours at the police precinct, and eventually allowed to leave.
(I wonder what questions they asked her during the lengthy interrogation?).
Although she had a stellar attendance record, she has not returned to school since.
"She's been throwing up," said her mom.
"The whole situation has been a nightmare.
""We're looking at the facts," says City Education Department spokesman David Cantor.
"Based on what we've seen so far, this shouldn't have happened.
" Police spokesman Paul Browne added, "Even when we're asked to make an arrest, common sense should prevail, and discretion used in deciding whether an arrest or handcuffs are really necessary.
" So, the authorities made a mistake.
That's understandable, once in a while.But this is not an isolated case.
Alexa is only the latest in a series of New York students to be arrested for a minor infraction.
Possibly the most famous is 13-year-old Chelsea Fraser, arrested in 2007 for writing "Okay" on her desk at Intermediate School 201.
Others include 5-year-old Dennis Rivera, who in 2008 was placed in handcuffs and sent to a psych ward after misbehaving in kindergarten, and a 12-year-old who was arrested in March 2009 for doodling on her desk at the Hunts Point School.Across the country, there are plenty more examples of teens and preteens being arrested for seemingly minor offences.
In November 2009, a food fight at a middle school in Chicago led to the arrests of 25 students, some as young as 11, according to the Chicago Police Department.
And at least 12,000 tickets were issued to tardy or truant students by Los Angeles Police Department and school security officers in 2008.
The Strategy Center, a California-based civil rights group that tracks zero tolerance policies, opposes this system.
"The theory is that if we fine them, then they won't be late again," saysspokesman Manuel Criollo.
"But they just end up not going to school at all.
"This is not just about zero tolerance policies gone awry.
It's about wilful cruelty to young people, at the hands of the very people who are supposed to be protecting them.
When did zero tolerance become zero intelligence?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero\_tolerance\_(schools) ..........These cases include students being suspended or expelled for transgressions such as possession of ibuprofen (a legal, non-prescription drug commonly used to treat menstrual cramps and headaches) with permission of the students' parents, keeping pocketknives (small utility knife) in cars, and carrying sharp tools outside of a woodshop classroom (where they are often required materials)......
    * After bringing a Cub Scouts dinner knife to school to eat his lunch, a six-year-old boy was ordered by Christina School District to attend an alternative school for students with behavioral problems for nine weeks.....
    * A third-grade girl, also in the Christina School District, was expelled for a year because her grandmother sent a birthda</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252526</id>
	<title>The real story here</title>
	<author>TheQuantumShift</author>
	<datestamp>1266928200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is how does any public school district have the cash to afford one macbook per child? That exceeds the total $ per student budget from when I was in school by a good amount...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is how does any public school district have the cash to afford one macbook per child ?
That exceeds the total $ per student budget from when I was in school by a good amount.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is how does any public school district have the cash to afford one macbook per child?
That exceeds the total $ per student budget from when I was in school by a good amount...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253410</id>
	<title>Not right for laptops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266932280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did volunteer work for a small christian school (around 30 students) that used desktops and customized software to cover the basic subjects. During the time I helped them, we installed UltraVNC to allow remote access to each machine for updates / remote troubleshooting. They too had considered using it to watch the kids who were suspected of cheating on tests etc. etc. At the time I agreed with letting them have that capability because the machines were strictly school machines that did not go home with the students. I understood that it might come in handy (giving the teacher a pair of eyes on the back of their head so to speak), but I never heard that they actually used it. Of course this is a bit different than the PA story as our students were not taking the computers home with them, nor were they being forced to use those machines (they could bring a laptop if they desired). If the school had asked me to do this with laptops instead of desktops, I would have refused for the reasons that are now obvious to the PA schools faculty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did volunteer work for a small christian school ( around 30 students ) that used desktops and customized software to cover the basic subjects .
During the time I helped them , we installed UltraVNC to allow remote access to each machine for updates / remote troubleshooting .
They too had considered using it to watch the kids who were suspected of cheating on tests etc .
etc. At the time I agreed with letting them have that capability because the machines were strictly school machines that did not go home with the students .
I understood that it might come in handy ( giving the teacher a pair of eyes on the back of their head so to speak ) , but I never heard that they actually used it .
Of course this is a bit different than the PA story as our students were not taking the computers home with them , nor were they being forced to use those machines ( they could bring a laptop if they desired ) .
If the school had asked me to do this with laptops instead of desktops , I would have refused for the reasons that are now obvious to the PA schools faculty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did volunteer work for a small christian school (around 30 students) that used desktops and customized software to cover the basic subjects.
During the time I helped them, we installed UltraVNC to allow remote access to each machine for updates / remote troubleshooting.
They too had considered using it to watch the kids who were suspected of cheating on tests etc.
etc. At the time I agreed with letting them have that capability because the machines were strictly school machines that did not go home with the students.
I understood that it might come in handy (giving the teacher a pair of eyes on the back of their head so to speak), but I never heard that they actually used it.
Of course this is a bit different than the PA story as our students were not taking the computers home with them, nor were they being forced to use those machines (they could bring a laptop if they desired).
If the school had asked me to do this with laptops instead of desktops, I would have refused for the reasons that are now obvious to the PA schools faculty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31255634</id>
	<title>Congrats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266947820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congrats.. basically the parents will just have to buy their kids a laptop now because it is too much hassle for the district.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congrats.. basically the parents will just have to buy their kids a laptop now because it is too much hassle for the district .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congrats.. basically the parents will just have to buy their kids a laptop now because it is too much hassle for the district.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253500</id>
	<title>Re:'At school' versus 'not at school'</title>
	<author>cts5678</author>
	<datestamp>1266932700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you seem to be saying it all would have been perfectly OK for the school district to REQUIRE students to take and use these laptops, and have their photos taken when and where the school district decided, had only the school district disclosed that they planned to do so, right?

I'm speechless that anyone would think an arrangement like that would have been OK.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you seem to be saying it all would have been perfectly OK for the school district to REQUIRE students to take and use these laptops , and have their photos taken when and where the school district decided , had only the school district disclosed that they planned to do so , right ?
I 'm speechless that anyone would think an arrangement like that would have been OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you seem to be saying it all would have been perfectly OK for the school district to REQUIRE students to take and use these laptops, and have their photos taken when and where the school district decided, had only the school district disclosed that they planned to do so, right?
I'm speechless that anyone would think an arrangement like that would have been OK.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31252698</id>
	<title>Re:But where's the fines?</title>
	<author>ralf1</author>
	<datestamp>1266928980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FWIW Computrace is Absolute Software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW Computrace is Absolute Software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW Computrace is Absolute Software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31258180</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>SonnyDog09</author>
	<datestamp>1265119260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The funding for the laptops came from a government grant. So, US Taxpayers paid for the laptops...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The funding for the laptops came from a government grant .
So , US Taxpayers paid for the laptops.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funding for the laptops came from a government grant.
So, US Taxpayers paid for the laptops...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31254164</id>
	<title>Re:Camera question</title>
	<author>element-o.p.</author>
	<datestamp>1266936420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IIRC from the previous<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. story, some people did see the green light and were told it was a hardware glitch.  Yes, perhaps they were sheep, but being naive is not a crime.  Being a frigging peeping tom, however, <i>IS</i>, and rightly so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC from the previous / .
story , some people did see the green light and were told it was a hardware glitch .
Yes , perhaps they were sheep , but being naive is not a crime .
Being a frigging peeping tom , however , IS , and rightly so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC from the previous /.
story, some people did see the green light and were told it was a hardware glitch.
Yes, perhaps they were sheep, but being naive is not a crime.
Being a frigging peeping tom, however, IS, and rightly so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31253108</id>
	<title>Re:Metered response</title>
	<author>yoshi\_mon</author>
	<datestamp>1266930900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district. That's probably the worst thing that could happen because where does that money come from? The school district, and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the school</p></div><p>Who do you then propose pays for the harm caused by their actions?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district .
That 's probably the worst thing that could happen because where does that money come from ?
The school district , and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the schoolWho do you then propose pays for the harm caused by their actions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fear that the parents of children going to this school district will seek some sort of civil damages for what occurred in this school district.
That's probably the worst thing that could happen because where does that money come from?
The school district, and that will cause irreparable harm to other programs at the schoolWho do you then propose pays for the harm caused by their actions?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_23_2030207.31257280</id>
	<title>Re:The real story here</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1265108940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sit down, QuantumShift.  There's something important to tell you.</p><p>If you think the school is paying anywhere near the retail price on those macbooks - and there is no nice way to say this - if you really think the school is paying anywhere near retail price your brain has almost certainly turned to cream cheese.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sit down , QuantumShift .
There 's something important to tell you.If you think the school is paying anywhere near the retail price on those macbooks - and there is no nice way to say this - if you really think the school is paying anywhere near retail price your brain has almost certainly turned to cream cheese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sit down, QuantumShift.
There's something important to tell you.If you think the school is paying anywhere near the retail price on those macbooks - and there is no nice way to say this - if you really think the school is paying anywhere near retail price your brain has almost certainly turned to cream cheese.</sentencetext>
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