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	<title>FBI Probing PA School Webcam Spy Case</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1266682800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>On Thursday we discussed news that a Pennsylvania high school was <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/18/1846222/PA-School-Spied-On-Students-Via-School-Issued-Laptop-Webcams">spying on students</a> through the webcams in laptops that were issued to the students. The FBI is now taking an interest in the case, investigating <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022000679.html">whether federal wiretap and computer-intrusion laws were violated</a> in the process. "The FBI opened its investigation after news of the suit broke on Thursday, the law-enforcement official said. Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman may also investigate, she said Friday." Ferman said her office is "looking to see whether there are <a href="http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2010/02/20/news/srv0000007652029.txt">potential violations of Pennsylvania criminal laws</a>."</htmltext>
<tokenext>On Thursday we discussed news that a Pennsylvania high school was spying on students through the webcams in laptops that were issued to the students .
The FBI is now taking an interest in the case , investigating whether federal wiretap and computer-intrusion laws were violated in the process .
" The FBI opened its investigation after news of the suit broke on Thursday , the law-enforcement official said .
Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman may also investigate , she said Friday .
" Ferman said her office is " looking to see whether there are potential violations of Pennsylvania criminal laws .
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<sentencetext>On Thursday we discussed news that a Pennsylvania high school was spying on students through the webcams in laptops that were issued to the students.
The FBI is now taking an interest in the case, investigating whether federal wiretap and computer-intrusion laws were violated in the process.
"The FBI opened its investigation after news of the suit broke on Thursday, the law-enforcement official said.
Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman may also investigate, she said Friday.
" Ferman said her office is "looking to see whether there are potential violations of Pennsylvania criminal laws.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31239830</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266852240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open letter to the school board,</p><p>I cannot express how outraged I am to hear of your laptop security / webcam policy.</p><p>Even if I were to believe your public statement that the web cams are only enabled in the case of lost or stolen computers that is laughable at best and I think we shall soon find out that you are criminals at worst.</p><p>What if you were to open up the web cam and find out that it was in the room with a naked underage student?  What does your policy say should be done in that instance?</p><p>Your incompetence is astounding!  If I had my way, you all would be doing time in federal prison for wiretapping at a minimum and ideally as a sex offenders for having access to child pornography!</p><p>How much money are willing to pay out of public coffers to cover the out of court settlement that will surely arise from this lawsuit?  How much money is currently being spent on legal counsel and public relations consulting?</p><p>I hope you all get your just rewards you pathetic fools!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open letter to the school board,I can not express how outraged I am to hear of your laptop security / webcam policy.Even if I were to believe your public statement that the web cams are only enabled in the case of lost or stolen computers that is laughable at best and I think we shall soon find out that you are criminals at worst.What if you were to open up the web cam and find out that it was in the room with a naked underage student ?
What does your policy say should be done in that instance ? Your incompetence is astounding !
If I had my way , you all would be doing time in federal prison for wiretapping at a minimum and ideally as a sex offenders for having access to child pornography ! How much money are willing to pay out of public coffers to cover the out of court settlement that will surely arise from this lawsuit ?
How much money is currently being spent on legal counsel and public relations consulting ? I hope you all get your just rewards you pathetic fools !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open letter to the school board,I cannot express how outraged I am to hear of your laptop security / webcam policy.Even if I were to believe your public statement that the web cams are only enabled in the case of lost or stolen computers that is laughable at best and I think we shall soon find out that you are criminals at worst.What if you were to open up the web cam and find out that it was in the room with a naked underage student?
What does your policy say should be done in that instance?Your incompetence is astounding!
If I had my way, you all would be doing time in federal prison for wiretapping at a minimum and ideally as a sex offenders for having access to child pornography!How much money are willing to pay out of public coffers to cover the out of court settlement that will surely arise from this lawsuit?
How much money is currently being spent on legal counsel and public relations consulting?I hope you all get your just rewards you pathetic fools!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31215830</id>
	<title>Re:Gatto: Schooling is a form of adoption...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266684900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>dude, just cut the apron strings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>dude , just cut the apron strings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dude, just cut the apron strings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211138</id>
	<title>Re:Prey</title>
	<author>FluffyWithTeeth</author>
	<datestamp>1266691860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be honest, this story sounds like they did almost exactly that.</p><p>Obviously an investigation is needed, but doesnt this situation seem most likely:<br>Student reports his school laptop stolen so he can keep it for himself<br>School activates anti-theft software (which includes webcam)<br>School recieves image of said student, proving he lied to steal the laptop<br>School sends letter to student's parents telling them what their child has done.</p><p>Now I don't know if that's true, but frankly it sounds more believable than some evil school big brother conspiracy. I guess the the FBI investigation will find out in the end though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , this story sounds like they did almost exactly that.Obviously an investigation is needed , but doesnt this situation seem most likely : Student reports his school laptop stolen so he can keep it for himselfSchool activates anti-theft software ( which includes webcam ) School recieves image of said student , proving he lied to steal the laptopSchool sends letter to student 's parents telling them what their child has done.Now I do n't know if that 's true , but frankly it sounds more believable than some evil school big brother conspiracy .
I guess the the FBI investigation will find out in the end though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, this story sounds like they did almost exactly that.Obviously an investigation is needed, but doesnt this situation seem most likely:Student reports his school laptop stolen so he can keep it for himselfSchool activates anti-theft software (which includes webcam)School recieves image of said student, proving he lied to steal the laptopSchool sends letter to student's parents telling them what their child has done.Now I don't know if that's true, but frankly it sounds more believable than some evil school big brother conspiracy.
I guess the the FBI investigation will find out in the end though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212390</id>
	<title>The school was within their rights...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266699360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that this will upset many people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. but I think it needs to be said.</p><p>A school like any other corporation or enterprise has the right to install what ever software they need/want to on their school owned computers for productivity, management and monitoring.  When the students signed the AUP (acceptable use policy) to take the laptops home they consented certain behaviors when using the school owned computers. This schools AUP specifically states that the computers can be used for educational use only.  Both the student and parents of the student had to sign the AUP.  So if the student was using the school owned computers the way they said they would when they signed the AUP there wouldn't really be an issue.</p><p>Another point.  I wonder if there would be similar outrage if this were a corporation and a employee.  I don't think any employee expects to have any privacy when using a work laptop.  http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm#computermonitoring Just like when using work email that email is almost always archived and often searched for improper use.  http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm#4a  The key is you are using a system that is not owned by you.</p><p>Long story short.  The student had no expectation to privacy when using the school owned equipment or services.  Just because they choose to take the school owned equipment home doesn't change things.  If the student wanted their computer use to be private. They should have purchased their own private computer and not used a school owned laptop.  Just because the students computer was reported as missing and the school in the process of trying to track down a missing laptop found evidence that the student was not using the equipment in the manner that they said they would when they signed the AUP and then cried foul when caught should not make this a legal case involving the FBI and national coverage.  The student should have been following the guidelines they they agreed to.  But when they got caught mommy and daddy called in the lawyers.  The school did nothing wrong here as far as I can tell.  They were within  their rights to monitor their school owned equipment.  The have done so in the past to save the taxpayers roughly $18k in lost or missing equipment that was recovered.  Next time the student should just by their own computer for no school related use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that this will upset many people on / .
but I think it needs to be said.A school like any other corporation or enterprise has the right to install what ever software they need/want to on their school owned computers for productivity , management and monitoring .
When the students signed the AUP ( acceptable use policy ) to take the laptops home they consented certain behaviors when using the school owned computers .
This schools AUP specifically states that the computers can be used for educational use only .
Both the student and parents of the student had to sign the AUP .
So if the student was using the school owned computers the way they said they would when they signed the AUP there would n't really be an issue.Another point .
I wonder if there would be similar outrage if this were a corporation and a employee .
I do n't think any employee expects to have any privacy when using a work laptop .
http : //www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm # computermonitoring Just like when using work email that email is almost always archived and often searched for improper use .
http : //www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm # 4a The key is you are using a system that is not owned by you.Long story short .
The student had no expectation to privacy when using the school owned equipment or services .
Just because they choose to take the school owned equipment home does n't change things .
If the student wanted their computer use to be private .
They should have purchased their own private computer and not used a school owned laptop .
Just because the students computer was reported as missing and the school in the process of trying to track down a missing laptop found evidence that the student was not using the equipment in the manner that they said they would when they signed the AUP and then cried foul when caught should not make this a legal case involving the FBI and national coverage .
The student should have been following the guidelines they they agreed to .
But when they got caught mommy and daddy called in the lawyers .
The school did nothing wrong here as far as I can tell .
They were within their rights to monitor their school owned equipment .
The have done so in the past to save the taxpayers roughly $ 18k in lost or missing equipment that was recovered .
Next time the student should just by their own computer for no school related use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that this will upset many people on /.
but I think it needs to be said.A school like any other corporation or enterprise has the right to install what ever software they need/want to on their school owned computers for productivity, management and monitoring.
When the students signed the AUP (acceptable use policy) to take the laptops home they consented certain behaviors when using the school owned computers.
This schools AUP specifically states that the computers can be used for educational use only.
Both the student and parents of the student had to sign the AUP.
So if the student was using the school owned computers the way they said they would when they signed the AUP there wouldn't really be an issue.Another point.
I wonder if there would be similar outrage if this were a corporation and a employee.
I don't think any employee expects to have any privacy when using a work laptop.
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm#computermonitoring Just like when using work email that email is almost always archived and often searched for improper use.
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs7-work.htm#4a  The key is you are using a system that is not owned by you.Long story short.
The student had no expectation to privacy when using the school owned equipment or services.
Just because they choose to take the school owned equipment home doesn't change things.
If the student wanted their computer use to be private.
They should have purchased their own private computer and not used a school owned laptop.
Just because the students computer was reported as missing and the school in the process of trying to track down a missing laptop found evidence that the student was not using the equipment in the manner that they said they would when they signed the AUP and then cried foul when caught should not make this a legal case involving the FBI and national coverage.
The student should have been following the guidelines they they agreed to.
But when they got caught mommy and daddy called in the lawyers.
The school did nothing wrong here as far as I can tell.
They were within  their rights to monitor their school owned equipment.
The have done so in the past to save the taxpayers roughly $18k in lost or missing equipment that was recovered.
Next time the student should just by their own computer for no school related use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211790</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>braindrainbahrain</author>
	<datestamp>1266695820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Damn Good</p></div><p>Double Plus Ungood</p><p>There, fixed that for ya.</p><p>- jz</p></div>
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<tokenext>Damn GoodDouble Plus UngoodThere , fixed that for ya.- jz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn GoodDouble Plus UngoodThere, fixed that for ya.- jz
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211196</id>
	<title>Re:If this does not violate laws it sure should.</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1266692400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What were these people thinking when they set this up?</p></div><p>More to the point, if the people who are running our schools have so little capacity for critical thinking, what the <i>hell</i> are they doing in charge of our children's education?</p></div>
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<tokenext>What were these people thinking when they set this up ? More to the point , if the people who are running our schools have so little capacity for critical thinking , what the hell are they doing in charge of our children 's education ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What were these people thinking when they set this up?More to the point, if the people who are running our schools have so little capacity for critical thinking, what the hell are they doing in charge of our children's education?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211372</id>
	<title>Re:this will go nowhere.</title>
	<author>Ocyris</author>
	<datestamp>1266693840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But the incident did not occur on school grounds but within the students own home.  Of course SCOTUS won't strike down the Patriot Act so who knows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the incident did not occur on school grounds but within the students own home .
Of course SCOTUS wo n't strike down the Patriot Act so who knows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the incident did not occur on school grounds but within the students own home.
Of course SCOTUS won't strike down the Patriot Act so who knows.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31214060</id>
	<title>Re:this will go nowhere.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1266668520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem with your angle is that the behavior in question <strong>wasn't</strong> in the schoolhouse. Not only wasn't it in the schoolhouse, it was in the child's <strong>own home</strong>, where presumably it is the parent's responsibility (and right) to determine what is and is not appropriate behavior.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with your angle is that the behavior in question was n't in the schoolhouse .
Not only was n't it in the schoolhouse , it was in the child 's own home , where presumably it is the parent 's responsibility ( and right ) to determine what is and is not appropriate behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with your angle is that the behavior in question wasn't in the schoolhouse.
Not only wasn't it in the schoolhouse, it was in the child's own home, where presumably it is the parent's responsibility (and right) to determine what is and is not appropriate behavior.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210968</id>
	<title>Re:Prey</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1266690480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This strikes me as a minefield for both the developer and his clients.</i></p><p>For some of the clients, perhaps but not the developer. Well, not if he can afford any decent lawyer. There is a <a href="http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/04/09/burglars-caught-on-webcam/" title="dreamindemon.com">legitimate use</a> [dreamindemon.com] for that kind of software.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This strikes me as a minefield for both the developer and his clients.For some of the clients , perhaps but not the developer .
Well , not if he can afford any decent lawyer .
There is a legitimate use [ dreamindemon.com ] for that kind of software.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This strikes me as a minefield for both the developer and his clients.For some of the clients, perhaps but not the developer.
Well, not if he can afford any decent lawyer.
There is a legitimate use [dreamindemon.com] for that kind of software.LK</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31225684</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1266772140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Keep this in mind.  From what I've seen printed, no one has stated that the camera was activated remotely and the picture in question that was given to the parents was made by any school official in any capacity.<br> <br>How?  Well, what if he made a sex photo to send to a girl, and she was offended and sent it to the principal?  That would fit what I've seen and wouldn't be made by the school or its agents.<br> <br>I'm not saying that's what happened, but that it looks like it's still a possibility, assuming everyone on both sides is telling the truth.  So don't write off everyone yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep this in mind .
From what I 've seen printed , no one has stated that the camera was activated remotely and the picture in question that was given to the parents was made by any school official in any capacity .
How ? Well , what if he made a sex photo to send to a girl , and she was offended and sent it to the principal ?
That would fit what I 've seen and would n't be made by the school or its agents .
I 'm not saying that 's what happened , but that it looks like it 's still a possibility , assuming everyone on both sides is telling the truth .
So do n't write off everyone yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep this in mind.
From what I've seen printed, no one has stated that the camera was activated remotely and the picture in question that was given to the parents was made by any school official in any capacity.
How?  Well, what if he made a sex photo to send to a girl, and she was offended and sent it to the principal?
That would fit what I've seen and wouldn't be made by the school or its agents.
I'm not saying that's what happened, but that it looks like it's still a possibility, assuming everyone on both sides is telling the truth.
So don't write off everyone yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212538</id>
	<title>Re:FIST...</title>
	<author>cffrost</author>
	<datestamp>1266657180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was (a) a good idea and (b) something to brag about.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Pedophiles?</p></div></div><p>If pedophiles believed (b), there would probably be no pedophiles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was ( a ) a good idea and ( b ) something to brag about.Pedophiles ? If pedophiles believed ( b ) , there would probably be no pedophiles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was (a) a good idea and (b) something to brag about.Pedophiles?If pedophiles believed (b), there would probably be no pedophiles.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211866</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>SilentStaid</author>
	<datestamp>1266696300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My father is a teacher in the district. At this point there's still no solid evidence that this wasn't a picture that the kid took of himself and saved to a documents folder that synced with the school's network drive. The picture is of him eating Mike and Ike's and you can infer that he's pretending they're pills (god knows why, I did worse at that age so who cares.)

That being said, there's a difference between benefit of the doubt and innocent until proven guilty, the VP of the school did in fact say that she herself had used the tool to check up on students before. Even if that's not what happened in this case, there's going to be hell to pay for that. I don't know if I agree with such an extreme penalty though.

I really think that the issue here should be intent - do you really think they did this to just be self-satisfying perverts or does it seem more reasonable to assume that they just had no common sense?</htmltext>
<tokenext>My father is a teacher in the district .
At this point there 's still no solid evidence that this was n't a picture that the kid took of himself and saved to a documents folder that synced with the school 's network drive .
The picture is of him eating Mike and Ike 's and you can infer that he 's pretending they 're pills ( god knows why , I did worse at that age so who cares .
) That being said , there 's a difference between benefit of the doubt and innocent until proven guilty , the VP of the school did in fact say that she herself had used the tool to check up on students before .
Even if that 's not what happened in this case , there 's going to be hell to pay for that .
I do n't know if I agree with such an extreme penalty though .
I really think that the issue here should be intent - do you really think they did this to just be self-satisfying perverts or does it seem more reasonable to assume that they just had no common sense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father is a teacher in the district.
At this point there's still no solid evidence that this wasn't a picture that the kid took of himself and saved to a documents folder that synced with the school's network drive.
The picture is of him eating Mike and Ike's and you can infer that he's pretending they're pills (god knows why, I did worse at that age so who cares.
)

That being said, there's a difference between benefit of the doubt and innocent until proven guilty, the VP of the school did in fact say that she herself had used the tool to check up on students before.
Even if that's not what happened in this case, there's going to be hell to pay for that.
I don't know if I agree with such an extreme penalty though.
I really think that the issue here should be intent - do you really think they did this to just be self-satisfying perverts or does it seem more reasonable to assume that they just had no common sense?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210562</id>
	<title>Just plain WRONG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266687000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite the fact that the school OWNS the machines, this is just so wrong on so many levels.</p><p>Now that this news is out, kids will stick tape over the cameras, shove gum into them, or worse. On MOST laptops, just plugging something in to the MIC jack disables the built-in mic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite the fact that the school OWNS the machines , this is just so wrong on so many levels.Now that this news is out , kids will stick tape over the cameras , shove gum into them , or worse .
On MOST laptops , just plugging something in to the MIC jack disables the built-in mic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite the fact that the school OWNS the machines, this is just so wrong on so many levels.Now that this news is out, kids will stick tape over the cameras, shove gum into them, or worse.
On MOST laptops, just plugging something in to the MIC jack disables the built-in mic.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216680</id>
	<title>Re:Prey</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1266695160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very good point.  Though I find it equally believable that the kid took a picture of himself masturbating, smoking weed, chugging a beer - and the school got hold of the picture by some other route.  Maybe the student forwarded it to all his buds, or to his girlfriend, and the picture ended up on a laptop turned in because a student was moving or because it was faulty.  Maybe another parent found the picture on his kids laptop and turned it into the school.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Though it's very carefully written and spun to produce the impression that the school is at fault, the class action suit stops well short of directly accusing the school of monitoring the students or of taking the picture in question, or of providing any evidence whatsoever that the school is at fault.  Which I find to be very curious indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very good point .
Though I find it equally believable that the kid took a picture of himself masturbating , smoking weed , chugging a beer - and the school got hold of the picture by some other route .
Maybe the student forwarded it to all his buds , or to his girlfriend , and the picture ended up on a laptop turned in because a student was moving or because it was faulty .
Maybe another parent found the picture on his kids laptop and turned it into the school .
  Though it 's very carefully written and spun to produce the impression that the school is at fault , the class action suit stops well short of directly accusing the school of monitoring the students or of taking the picture in question , or of providing any evidence whatsoever that the school is at fault .
Which I find to be very curious indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very good point.
Though I find it equally believable that the kid took a picture of himself masturbating, smoking weed, chugging a beer - and the school got hold of the picture by some other route.
Maybe the student forwarded it to all his buds, or to his girlfriend, and the picture ended up on a laptop turned in because a student was moving or because it was faulty.
Maybe another parent found the picture on his kids laptop and turned it into the school.
  Though it's very carefully written and spun to produce the impression that the school is at fault, the class action suit stops well short of directly accusing the school of monitoring the students or of taking the picture in question, or of providing any evidence whatsoever that the school is at fault.
Which I find to be very curious indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210676</id>
	<title>Sex offenders</title>
	<author>Myion</author>
	<datestamp>1266688080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The school board is watching you masturbate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school board is watching you masturbate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school board is watching you masturbate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210734</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>LuxMaker</author>
	<datestamp>1266688680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me the first thing I thought of when I heard about this case was that quote from Avatar : "I see you."</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me the first thing I thought of when I heard about this case was that quote from Avatar : " I see you .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me the first thing I thought of when I heard about this case was that quote from Avatar : "I see you.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211032</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>nicks,nicks,nicks!</author>
	<datestamp>1266691080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually reminded me more of <a href="http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/" title="craphound.com" rel="nofollow"> Little Brother</a> [craphound.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually reminded me more of Little Brother [ craphound.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually reminded me more of  Little Brother [craphound.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211454</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266694320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>Let them take away the right to say "Fuck" and you've given up the ability to say "Fuck the Government."</i>
</p><p>
That's not the problem.  As Orwell points out in the <a href="http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/books/1984-appendix.htm" title="netcharles.com">appendix to "1984", where he discusses "Newspeak"</a> [netcharles.com], one could say "Big Brother is doubleplus ungood" in Newspeak. But the language for saying <i>why</i> wasn't available. So no one could make a convincing argument against Big Brother. "In Newspeak it was seldom possible to follow a heretical thought further than the perception that it was heretical: beyond that point the necessary words were nonexistent."
</p><p>
Watch for this phenomenon. It's real. Especially on talk radio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let them take away the right to say " Fuck " and you 've given up the ability to say " Fuck the Government .
" That 's not the problem .
As Orwell points out in the appendix to " 1984 " , where he discusses " Newspeak " [ netcharles.com ] , one could say " Big Brother is doubleplus ungood " in Newspeak .
But the language for saying why was n't available .
So no one could make a convincing argument against Big Brother .
" In Newspeak it was seldom possible to follow a heretical thought further than the perception that it was heretical : beyond that point the necessary words were nonexistent .
" Watch for this phenomenon .
It 's real .
Especially on talk radio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Let them take away the right to say "Fuck" and you've given up the ability to say "Fuck the Government.
"

That's not the problem.
As Orwell points out in the appendix to "1984", where he discusses "Newspeak" [netcharles.com], one could say "Big Brother is doubleplus ungood" in Newspeak.
But the language for saying why wasn't available.
So no one could make a convincing argument against Big Brother.
"In Newspeak it was seldom possible to follow a heretical thought further than the perception that it was heretical: beyond that point the necessary words were nonexistent.
"

Watch for this phenomenon.
It's real.
Especially on talk radio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211232</id>
	<title>Re:this will go nowhere.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266692820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The laptop wasn't at school, it was in a private situation in the family home. There's no way school rules and loss of rights extended into peoples' homes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The laptop was n't at school , it was in a private situation in the family home .
There 's no way school rules and loss of rights extended into peoples ' homes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The laptop wasn't at school, it was in a private situation in the family home.
There's no way school rules and loss of rights extended into peoples' homes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31214798</id>
	<title>And the insurance fee is another SCAM</title>
	<author>niftymitch</author>
	<datestamp>1266674520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The $55 per laptop insurance "fee".  Is a
total SCAM.   $55 insurance for a $1000 laptop
with a $100 deductable<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....

55/900 = ~6\%
41 laptops reported as lost with 18 recovered
in a pool of --- oh my gosh this is a scam</htmltext>
<tokenext>The $ 55 per laptop insurance " fee " .
Is a total SCAM .
$ 55 insurance for a $ 1000 laptop with a $ 100 deductable ... . 55/900 = ~ 6 \ % 41 laptops reported as lost with 18 recovered in a pool of --- oh my gosh this is a scam</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The $55 per laptop insurance "fee".
Is a
total SCAM.
$55 insurance for a $1000 laptop
with a $100 deductable ....

55/900 = ~6\%
41 laptops reported as lost with 18 recovered
in a pool of --- oh my gosh this is a scam</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210498</id>
	<title>FIST...</title>
	<author>DamonHD</author>
	<datestamp>1266686580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...of common sense.</p><p>Seriously though, as was said on the previous<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. thread on this topic: who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was (a) a good idea and (b) something to brag about.</p><p>Rgds</p><p>Damon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...of common sense.Seriously though , as was said on the previous / .
thread on this topic : who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was ( a ) a good idea and ( b ) something to brag about.RgdsDamon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...of common sense.Seriously though, as was said on the previous /.
thread on this topic: who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was (a) a good idea and (b) something to brag about.RgdsDamon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216282</id>
	<title>Re:Lojack</title>
	<author>colinnwn</author>
	<datestamp>1266689460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well they probably didn't know what the theft rate would be, making for a hard financial decision before the fact. But either way just buying Lojack, telling the kids, and putting a sticker on them might tamp out half of the theft they did see and make it cost effective. Kinda stupid, or smart? that they didn't tell the kids the webcam would be activated if the computers were reported stolen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well they probably did n't know what the theft rate would be , making for a hard financial decision before the fact .
But either way just buying Lojack , telling the kids , and putting a sticker on them might tamp out half of the theft they did see and make it cost effective .
Kinda stupid , or smart ?
that they did n't tell the kids the webcam would be activated if the computers were reported stolen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well they probably didn't know what the theft rate would be, making for a hard financial decision before the fact.
But either way just buying Lojack, telling the kids, and putting a sticker on them might tamp out half of the theft they did see and make it cost effective.
Kinda stupid, or smart?
that they didn't tell the kids the webcam would be activated if the computers were reported stolen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210822</id>
	<title>Next up, beware of gifts from strangers.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266689340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pedophile voice: "Hey little boy!  You want a free laptop?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pedophile voice : " Hey little boy !
You want a free laptop ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pedophile voice: "Hey little boy!
You want a free laptop?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210692</id>
	<title>Lojack</title>
	<author>florescent\_beige</author>
	<datestamp>1266688260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they were really interested in theft recovery why didn't they use a system specifically designed for that purpose. Lojack costs $30/year per machine and I'm sure they would have gotten a volume discount.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they were really interested in theft recovery why did n't they use a system specifically designed for that purpose .
Lojack costs $ 30/year per machine and I 'm sure they would have gotten a volume discount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they were really interested in theft recovery why didn't they use a system specifically designed for that purpose.
Lojack costs $30/year per machine and I'm sure they would have gotten a volume discount.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213444</id>
	<title>Re:This is all allegations</title>
	<author>Maestro4k</author>
	<datestamp>1266663000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There have also been reports by former students that it was common for the webcam light to come on at random times, enough so that many students covered it with post-it notes or non-clear tape.  Then add in that initially the school system denied having used the webcams any, but now are admitting to 50 uses. Plus the FBI and the state's AG are investigating now as well.  And don't forget that using a webcam as theft protection is silly at best.  What are the odds you're going to recognize the thief even if you get a clear snapshot of them?  All in all it sounds like the allegations have some merit, it's not just a simple what the student says vs. what the school system says anymore.  It sounds like at the very <em>least</em> one (or more) employees were using the monitoring software in situations other than when a laptop was stolen, and a vice-principle went too far.</p><p>Most of us are willing to believe the allegations are <em>possible</em> now because of all the information we do have.  IIRC, in the original posting on Slashdot many were skeptical, now we're not quite as skeptical because it's sounding more and more like the allegations are true.  Personally I was skeptical at first, but now it sounds to me like there was something improper going on, even if it's not exactly what the lawsuit accuses the school system of doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There have also been reports by former students that it was common for the webcam light to come on at random times , enough so that many students covered it with post-it notes or non-clear tape .
Then add in that initially the school system denied having used the webcams any , but now are admitting to 50 uses .
Plus the FBI and the state 's AG are investigating now as well .
And do n't forget that using a webcam as theft protection is silly at best .
What are the odds you 're going to recognize the thief even if you get a clear snapshot of them ?
All in all it sounds like the allegations have some merit , it 's not just a simple what the student says vs. what the school system says anymore .
It sounds like at the very least one ( or more ) employees were using the monitoring software in situations other than when a laptop was stolen , and a vice-principle went too far.Most of us are willing to believe the allegations are possible now because of all the information we do have .
IIRC , in the original posting on Slashdot many were skeptical , now we 're not quite as skeptical because it 's sounding more and more like the allegations are true .
Personally I was skeptical at first , but now it sounds to me like there was something improper going on , even if it 's not exactly what the lawsuit accuses the school system of doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There have also been reports by former students that it was common for the webcam light to come on at random times, enough so that many students covered it with post-it notes or non-clear tape.
Then add in that initially the school system denied having used the webcams any, but now are admitting to 50 uses.
Plus the FBI and the state's AG are investigating now as well.
And don't forget that using a webcam as theft protection is silly at best.
What are the odds you're going to recognize the thief even if you get a clear snapshot of them?
All in all it sounds like the allegations have some merit, it's not just a simple what the student says vs. what the school system says anymore.
It sounds like at the very least one (or more) employees were using the monitoring software in situations other than when a laptop was stolen, and a vice-principle went too far.Most of us are willing to believe the allegations are possible now because of all the information we do have.
IIRC, in the original posting on Slashdot many were skeptical, now we're not quite as skeptical because it's sounding more and more like the allegations are true.
Personally I was skeptical at first, but now it sounds to me like there was something improper going on, even if it's not exactly what the lawsuit accuses the school system of doing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31219140</id>
	<title>They thought it would be ok?</title>
	<author>welsh git</author>
	<datestamp>1266774300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What gets me is that they called the kid in, presented the photo as evidence of his wrongdoing, and didn't expect any negative comeback?</p><p>That's frightening - they sooo thought what they were doing was ok, they didn't think people would go mad over this...</p><p>That mindset in a school teacher is scary</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What gets me is that they called the kid in , presented the photo as evidence of his wrongdoing , and did n't expect any negative comeback ? That 's frightening - they sooo thought what they were doing was ok , they did n't think people would go mad over this...That mindset in a school teacher is scary</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What gets me is that they called the kid in, presented the photo as evidence of his wrongdoing, and didn't expect any negative comeback?That's frightening - they sooo thought what they were doing was ok, they didn't think people would go mad over this...That mindset in a school teacher is scary</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210542</id>
	<title>Telescreens</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1266686820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes you're so indignent you don't get it all out the first time:  Telescreens, the screen that looks back at you.  Orwell'd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes you 're so indignent you do n't get it all out the first time : Telescreens , the screen that looks back at you .
Orwell 'd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes you're so indignent you don't get it all out the first time:  Telescreens, the screen that looks back at you.
Orwell'd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210724</id>
	<title>Pffft.</title>
	<author>thejeffer</author>
	<datestamp>1266688560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're probably just pissed that they didn't think of it first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're probably just pissed that they did n't think of it first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're probably just pissed that they didn't think of it first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213620</id>
	<title>Re:Just plain WRONG</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1266664380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"On MOST laptops, just plugging something in to the MIC jack disables the built-in mic."</p><p>Spread the word. Youth enjoy rebellion, so ensure the info is available.</p><p>The sooner they know that the entire system is designed to condition and frequently prey on them, the sooner they will learn to resent that. The government is not their friend, the school system is not their friend, and most adults are not their friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" On MOST laptops , just plugging something in to the MIC jack disables the built-in mic .
" Spread the word .
Youth enjoy rebellion , so ensure the info is available.The sooner they know that the entire system is designed to condition and frequently prey on them , the sooner they will learn to resent that .
The government is not their friend , the school system is not their friend , and most adults are not their friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"On MOST laptops, just plugging something in to the MIC jack disables the built-in mic.
"Spread the word.
Youth enjoy rebellion, so ensure the info is available.The sooner they know that the entire system is designed to condition and frequently prey on them, the sooner they will learn to resent that.
The government is not their friend, the school system is not their friend, and most adults are not their friends.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211222</id>
	<title>Still Illegal - Doesn't matter why</title>
	<author>raftpeople</author>
	<datestamp>1266692700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The district says they've only used on stolen laptops</i> <br> <br>
1) It doesn't matter why they used it, it's illegal if it was used in anyone's home.
<br> <br>
2) The opportunity for abuse is huge and they absolutely should have informed the parents in advance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The district says they 've only used on stolen laptops 1 ) It does n't matter why they used it , it 's illegal if it was used in anyone 's home .
2 ) The opportunity for abuse is huge and they absolutely should have informed the parents in advance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The district says they've only used on stolen laptops  
1) It doesn't matter why they used it, it's illegal if it was used in anyone's home.
2) The opportunity for abuse is huge and they absolutely should have informed the parents in advance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212352</id>
	<title>They deserve it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266699120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They deserve it if they can't figure out that it is there, where it is, and how to use a piece of tape.</p><p>And what's it with the teachers?  Are they really the freaks who want to watch teenage boys. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.uh. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.being teenage boys?  I think they're looking for, and enjoying, a lot more than the odd crib note.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They deserve it if they ca n't figure out that it is there , where it is , and how to use a piece of tape.And what 's it with the teachers ?
Are they really the freaks who want to watch teenage boys .
. .uh .
. .being teenage boys ?
I think they 're looking for , and enjoying , a lot more than the odd crib note .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They deserve it if they can't figure out that it is there, where it is, and how to use a piece of tape.And what's it with the teachers?
Are they really the freaks who want to watch teenage boys.
. .uh.
. .being teenage boys?
I think they're looking for, and enjoying, a lot more than the odd crib note.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216194</id>
	<title>Re:The school was within their rights...</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1266688740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are laws which specifically make the school district's alleged actions <i>illegal</i>. You cannot use a contract to cause illegal things to become legal. It is likely that the video captures <i>directly</i> violated various wiretap, privacy, conspiracy, and computer crime laws. If the images included nude children, then child pornography laws were broken.</p><p>The law says "You shall not do (such and such)," it does not say "You shall not do (such and such) unless you have a piece of paper saying you can." The fact that an AUP was signed (even leaving aside the fact that there was NO mention in the AUP of this sort of monitoring), doesn't suddenly make laws go away.</p><p>A contract/agreement may protect you from various civil circumstances but a contract can NEVER absolve you of criminal behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are laws which specifically make the school district 's alleged actions illegal .
You can not use a contract to cause illegal things to become legal .
It is likely that the video captures directly violated various wiretap , privacy , conspiracy , and computer crime laws .
If the images included nude children , then child pornography laws were broken.The law says " You shall not do ( such and such ) , " it does not say " You shall not do ( such and such ) unless you have a piece of paper saying you can .
" The fact that an AUP was signed ( even leaving aside the fact that there was NO mention in the AUP of this sort of monitoring ) , does n't suddenly make laws go away.A contract/agreement may protect you from various civil circumstances but a contract can NEVER absolve you of criminal behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are laws which specifically make the school district's alleged actions illegal.
You cannot use a contract to cause illegal things to become legal.
It is likely that the video captures directly violated various wiretap, privacy, conspiracy, and computer crime laws.
If the images included nude children, then child pornography laws were broken.The law says "You shall not do (such and such)," it does not say "You shall not do (such and such) unless you have a piece of paper saying you can.
" The fact that an AUP was signed (even leaving aside the fact that there was NO mention in the AUP of this sort of monitoring), doesn't suddenly make laws go away.A contract/agreement may protect you from various civil circumstances but a contract can NEVER absolve you of criminal behavior.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216122</id>
	<title>Re:Who's FBI is this?</title>
	<author>macs4all</author>
	<datestamp>1266687840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy, not protecting it?</p></div><p>That's truly funny, man! You made my day, thanx.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy , not protecting it ? That 's truly funny , man !
You made my day , thanx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy, not protecting it?That's truly funny, man!
You made my day, thanx.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210812</id>
	<title>Who's FBI is this?</title>
	<author>Anne\_Nonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266689280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy, not protecting it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy , not protecting it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy, not protecting it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211194</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1266692400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the spirit. That is what the law that protect children is for: labeling people as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.</p><p>Now for me as long as there is no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention, that is not what should happen even if some images of nude kids were taken in the process. This is, in my opinion, an invasion of privacy and should be handled as such.</p><p>From the way I see people write about it, is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy won't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the spirit .
That is what the law that protect children is for : labeling people as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.Now for me as long as there is no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention , that is not what should happen even if some images of nude kids were taken in the process .
This is , in my opinion , an invasion of privacy and should be handled as such.From the way I see people write about it , is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy wo n't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the spirit.
That is what the law that protect children is for: labeling people as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.Now for me as long as there is no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention, that is not what should happen even if some images of nude kids were taken in the process.
This is, in my opinion, an invasion of privacy and should be handled as such.From the way I see people write about it, is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy won't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216998</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>cyn1c77</author>
	<datestamp>1266744180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because the absolute first thing *I* thought when I heard of this atrocity is: "Orwell would be proud."</p></div><p>The first thing I thought was "Man, a whole lot of administrators are going to get arrested on child pornography charges."</p><p>I would love to know what school official actually thought that remotely enabling the webcam would be a good idea.  With people like that educating our children, I think we're screwed. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the absolute first thing * I * thought when I heard of this atrocity is : " Orwell would be proud .
" The first thing I thought was " Man , a whole lot of administrators are going to get arrested on child pornography charges .
" I would love to know what school official actually thought that remotely enabling the webcam would be a good idea .
With people like that educating our children , I think we 're screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the absolute first thing *I* thought when I heard of this atrocity is: "Orwell would be proud.
"The first thing I thought was "Man, a whole lot of administrators are going to get arrested on child pornography charges.
"I would love to know what school official actually thought that remotely enabling the webcam would be a good idea.
With people like that educating our children, I think we're screwed. 
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210966</id>
	<title>Re:This is all allegations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266690480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have no reason to trust the family's lawyer over the school district's superintendent.</p></div><p>In matters involving allegations of this sort against a school district I'd believe an insane, hallucinating, doom-crying bum who has a massive, maggot-infested head wound and suffers from tertiary syphilis before I'd believe a single word uttered by the school district's superintendent because the bum would know he was hopelessly fucked whereas the superintendent is hoping against hope that he can lie his way out of the mess he's in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no reason to trust the family 's lawyer over the school district 's superintendent.In matters involving allegations of this sort against a school district I 'd believe an insane , hallucinating , doom-crying bum who has a massive , maggot-infested head wound and suffers from tertiary syphilis before I 'd believe a single word uttered by the school district 's superintendent because the bum would know he was hopelessly fucked whereas the superintendent is hoping against hope that he can lie his way out of the mess he 's in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no reason to trust the family's lawyer over the school district's superintendent.In matters involving allegations of this sort against a school district I'd believe an insane, hallucinating, doom-crying bum who has a massive, maggot-infested head wound and suffers from tertiary syphilis before I'd believe a single word uttered by the school district's superintendent because the bum would know he was hopelessly fucked whereas the superintendent is hoping against hope that he can lie his way out of the mess he's in.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31288288</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267211940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Refusing the laptops was not much of an option - I believe that was the was for the students to access the textbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Refusing the laptops was not much of an option - I believe that was the was for the students to access the textbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Refusing the laptops was not much of an option - I believe that was the was for the students to access the textbooks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31214072</id>
	<title>Re:Very interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266668580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For argument's sake, lets say that the laptop was reported as stolen. The security feature was then turned on and the student who actually owns the laptop was seen performing the "acts". Tell me now what your justification is for attempting to discipline the student for performing whatever act in his own home...... especially since you now know that the laptop definitely wasn't stolen....</p><p>Or lets try another scenario: The security feature was turned on and this kid who does not own the laptop was seen to be performing these "acts" on the webcam. A picture was taken. Explain why no criminal or disciplinary action was taken against the student for ACTUALLY STEALING THE LAPTOP but instead he is threatened with disciplinary action for performing acts in his room?</p><p>For argument's sake, explain those two scenarios....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For argument 's sake , lets say that the laptop was reported as stolen .
The security feature was then turned on and the student who actually owns the laptop was seen performing the " acts " .
Tell me now what your justification is for attempting to discipline the student for performing whatever act in his own home...... especially since you now know that the laptop definitely was n't stolen....Or lets try another scenario : The security feature was turned on and this kid who does not own the laptop was seen to be performing these " acts " on the webcam .
A picture was taken .
Explain why no criminal or disciplinary action was taken against the student for ACTUALLY STEALING THE LAPTOP but instead he is threatened with disciplinary action for performing acts in his room ? For argument 's sake , explain those two scenarios... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For argument's sake, lets say that the laptop was reported as stolen.
The security feature was then turned on and the student who actually owns the laptop was seen performing the "acts".
Tell me now what your justification is for attempting to discipline the student for performing whatever act in his own home...... especially since you now know that the laptop definitely wasn't stolen....Or lets try another scenario: The security feature was turned on and this kid who does not own the laptop was seen to be performing these "acts" on the webcam.
A picture was taken.
Explain why no criminal or disciplinary action was taken against the student for ACTUALLY STEALING THE LAPTOP but instead he is threatened with disciplinary action for performing acts in his room?For argument's sake, explain those two scenarios....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31236528</id>
	<title>Re:Student saved picture onto desktop (Mike &amp;</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1266835620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the web cam was disabled for student use; ONLY the school IT department had the ability to activate the web cam. Either the IT department or the monitoring software took the picture. I believe the software was set up to periodically take pictures and forward them to the school's servers whenever the laptop was connected to a network other than the schools; this raises a very real probability that some of these pictures would legally qualify as "child pornography". How do you feel about those "zero tolerance" policies now, school officials?</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the web cam was disabled for student use ; ONLY the school IT department had the ability to activate the web cam .
Either the IT department or the monitoring software took the picture .
I believe the software was set up to periodically take pictures and forward them to the school 's servers whenever the laptop was connected to a network other than the schools ; this raises a very real probability that some of these pictures would legally qualify as " child pornography " .
How do you feel about those " zero tolerance " policies now , school officials ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the web cam was disabled for student use; ONLY the school IT department had the ability to activate the web cam.
Either the IT department or the monitoring software took the picture.
I believe the software was set up to periodically take pictures and forward them to the school's servers whenever the laptop was connected to a network other than the schools; this raises a very real probability that some of these pictures would legally qualify as "child pornography".
How do you feel about those "zero tolerance" policies now, school officials?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213088</id>
	<title>Gatto: Schooling is a form of adoption...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266660540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another great reason to homeschool: "State Controlled Consciousness"<br> <a href="http://www.the-open-boat.com/Gatto.html" title="the-open-boat.com">http://www.the-open-boat.com/Gatto.html</a> [the-open-boat.com] <br>"""<br>Schooling is a form of adoption. You give your kid up in his or her most plastic years to a group of strangers. You accept a promise, sometimes stated and more often implied that the state through its agents knows better how to raise your children and educate them than you, your neighbors, your grandparents, your local traditions do. And that your kid will be better off so adopted.</p><p>But by the time the child returns to the family, or has the option of doing that, very few want to. Their parents are some form of friendly stranger too and why not? In the key hours of growing up, strangers have reared the kid.</p><p>Now let's look at the strangers of which you (interviewer) was one and I was one. Regardless of our good feeling toward children. Regardless of our individual talents or intelligence, we have so little time each day with each of these kids, we can't possibly know enough vital information about that particular kid to tailor a set of exercises for that kid. Oh, you know, some of us will try more than others, but there simply isn't any time to do it to a significant degree.</p><p>So what we do is accept and if we don't accept this we are fired or harrassed, we accept the state's prescription that's written in manuals. You do this first, and this second, and this third, and here you have a little latitude to talk to the kid. And the way the state checks on whether you've followed that diet is your standardized tests given at intervals</p><p>If your kids do badly, it does not mean that they're bad readers or anything else. It means they haven't been obedient to the drills the state set down and they're marked for further treatment later on with a mark to be excluded from responsible jobs. Perhaps some way is to be excluded from the colleges that lead to responsible jobs, in other ways from the licenses that lead to responsible jobs.</p><p>This was ALL worked out. It didn't evolve by a lot of rational people saying we'll take this this and this from the past, then the next generation says we'll take this this and this. This was set down largely in a handful of places. Prussia was perhaps the most prominent of those places. The Prussian experiment leapt into the United States almost immediately in the 1840's. Leapt into the United States; its propagandists covered the country here. Its backers, its financial backers set up the most important teacher training institutes and then financed those institutes and then no one was allowed to become a teacher who didn't more or less subscribe to the fact that experts could create a curriculum and pedagogues could administer it.</p><p>Well, that's exactly what Horace, the Roman essayist, talked about in several of his essays. He said, "the master creates the lessons, the pedagogue (the teacher) administers the lessons." But if you find the teacher creating the lessons or deviating from the direction the lessons are headed in, you get rid of the pedagogue.</p><p>But the people who gave us schooling, weren't these wealthy people, they were Utopian thinkers who believed the family and tradition were the greatest obstacles to making a perfect society, a utopia. Every utopia that survived, invents schooling, long before we had universal forced schooling for all these little neighborhood schools. They all invented universal schooling of a homogenous variety in order to reach Utopia.</p><p>Now let's shift to the basis of your question which is Rockefeller and Carnegie and J.P. Morgan. These people saw a different kind of utopia. Through solving the problem of production with highspeed machinery they saw material abundance could be created and that want - first of all, of course, they thought they could become supremely wealthy which they did - but secondarily, they weren't beasts, they thought that this material abundance, since they had abandoned a belief in a Creator or an Afterlife, this material abund</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another great reason to homeschool : " State Controlled Consciousness " http : //www.the-open-boat.com/Gatto.html [ the-open-boat.com ] " " " Schooling is a form of adoption .
You give your kid up in his or her most plastic years to a group of strangers .
You accept a promise , sometimes stated and more often implied that the state through its agents knows better how to raise your children and educate them than you , your neighbors , your grandparents , your local traditions do .
And that your kid will be better off so adopted.But by the time the child returns to the family , or has the option of doing that , very few want to .
Their parents are some form of friendly stranger too and why not ?
In the key hours of growing up , strangers have reared the kid.Now let 's look at the strangers of which you ( interviewer ) was one and I was one .
Regardless of our good feeling toward children .
Regardless of our individual talents or intelligence , we have so little time each day with each of these kids , we ca n't possibly know enough vital information about that particular kid to tailor a set of exercises for that kid .
Oh , you know , some of us will try more than others , but there simply is n't any time to do it to a significant degree.So what we do is accept and if we do n't accept this we are fired or harrassed , we accept the state 's prescription that 's written in manuals .
You do this first , and this second , and this third , and here you have a little latitude to talk to the kid .
And the way the state checks on whether you 've followed that diet is your standardized tests given at intervalsIf your kids do badly , it does not mean that they 're bad readers or anything else .
It means they have n't been obedient to the drills the state set down and they 're marked for further treatment later on with a mark to be excluded from responsible jobs .
Perhaps some way is to be excluded from the colleges that lead to responsible jobs , in other ways from the licenses that lead to responsible jobs.This was ALL worked out .
It did n't evolve by a lot of rational people saying we 'll take this this and this from the past , then the next generation says we 'll take this this and this .
This was set down largely in a handful of places .
Prussia was perhaps the most prominent of those places .
The Prussian experiment leapt into the United States almost immediately in the 1840 's .
Leapt into the United States ; its propagandists covered the country here .
Its backers , its financial backers set up the most important teacher training institutes and then financed those institutes and then no one was allowed to become a teacher who did n't more or less subscribe to the fact that experts could create a curriculum and pedagogues could administer it.Well , that 's exactly what Horace , the Roman essayist , talked about in several of his essays .
He said , " the master creates the lessons , the pedagogue ( the teacher ) administers the lessons .
" But if you find the teacher creating the lessons or deviating from the direction the lessons are headed in , you get rid of the pedagogue.But the people who gave us schooling , were n't these wealthy people , they were Utopian thinkers who believed the family and tradition were the greatest obstacles to making a perfect society , a utopia .
Every utopia that survived , invents schooling , long before we had universal forced schooling for all these little neighborhood schools .
They all invented universal schooling of a homogenous variety in order to reach Utopia.Now let 's shift to the basis of your question which is Rockefeller and Carnegie and J.P. Morgan. These people saw a different kind of utopia .
Through solving the problem of production with highspeed machinery they saw material abundance could be created and that want - first of all , of course , they thought they could become supremely wealthy which they did - but secondarily , they were n't beasts , they thought that this material abundance , since they had abandoned a belief in a Creator or an Afterlife , this material abund</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another great reason to homeschool: "State Controlled Consciousness" http://www.the-open-boat.com/Gatto.html [the-open-boat.com] """Schooling is a form of adoption.
You give your kid up in his or her most plastic years to a group of strangers.
You accept a promise, sometimes stated and more often implied that the state through its agents knows better how to raise your children and educate them than you, your neighbors, your grandparents, your local traditions do.
And that your kid will be better off so adopted.But by the time the child returns to the family, or has the option of doing that, very few want to.
Their parents are some form of friendly stranger too and why not?
In the key hours of growing up, strangers have reared the kid.Now let's look at the strangers of which you (interviewer) was one and I was one.
Regardless of our good feeling toward children.
Regardless of our individual talents or intelligence, we have so little time each day with each of these kids, we can't possibly know enough vital information about that particular kid to tailor a set of exercises for that kid.
Oh, you know, some of us will try more than others, but there simply isn't any time to do it to a significant degree.So what we do is accept and if we don't accept this we are fired or harrassed, we accept the state's prescription that's written in manuals.
You do this first, and this second, and this third, and here you have a little latitude to talk to the kid.
And the way the state checks on whether you've followed that diet is your standardized tests given at intervalsIf your kids do badly, it does not mean that they're bad readers or anything else.
It means they haven't been obedient to the drills the state set down and they're marked for further treatment later on with a mark to be excluded from responsible jobs.
Perhaps some way is to be excluded from the colleges that lead to responsible jobs, in other ways from the licenses that lead to responsible jobs.This was ALL worked out.
It didn't evolve by a lot of rational people saying we'll take this this and this from the past, then the next generation says we'll take this this and this.
This was set down largely in a handful of places.
Prussia was perhaps the most prominent of those places.
The Prussian experiment leapt into the United States almost immediately in the 1840's.
Leapt into the United States; its propagandists covered the country here.
Its backers, its financial backers set up the most important teacher training institutes and then financed those institutes and then no one was allowed to become a teacher who didn't more or less subscribe to the fact that experts could create a curriculum and pedagogues could administer it.Well, that's exactly what Horace, the Roman essayist, talked about in several of his essays.
He said, "the master creates the lessons, the pedagogue (the teacher) administers the lessons.
" But if you find the teacher creating the lessons or deviating from the direction the lessons are headed in, you get rid of the pedagogue.But the people who gave us schooling, weren't these wealthy people, they were Utopian thinkers who believed the family and tradition were the greatest obstacles to making a perfect society, a utopia.
Every utopia that survived, invents schooling, long before we had universal forced schooling for all these little neighborhood schools.
They all invented universal schooling of a homogenous variety in order to reach Utopia.Now let's shift to the basis of your question which is Rockefeller and Carnegie and J.P. Morgan. These people saw a different kind of utopia.
Through solving the problem of production with highspeed machinery they saw material abundance could be created and that want - first of all, of course, they thought they could become supremely wealthy which they did - but secondarily, they weren't beasts, they thought that this material abundance, since they had abandoned a belief in a Creator or an Afterlife, this material abund</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211054</id>
	<title>Washington Post</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1266691320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Washington Post has changed the linked article in the last 30 minutes to something about administrators denying everything. Talk about big brother and controlling the masses.</p><p>Orwell Method:</p><p>Link reads -<br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/19/us/AP-US-Laptops-Spying-on-Students.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/19/us/AP-US-Laptops-Spying-on-Students.html</a> [nytimes.com]</p><p>Link should read -<br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022000679.html" title="washingtonpost.com">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022000679.html</a> [washingtonpost.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Washington Post has changed the linked article in the last 30 minutes to something about administrators denying everything .
Talk about big brother and controlling the masses.Orwell Method : Link reads -http : //www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/19/us/AP-US-Laptops-Spying-on-Students.html [ nytimes.com ] Link should read -http : //www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022000679.html [ washingtonpost.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Washington Post has changed the linked article in the last 30 minutes to something about administrators denying everything.
Talk about big brother and controlling the masses.Orwell Method:Link reads -http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/02/19/us/AP-US-Laptops-Spying-on-Students.html [nytimes.com]Link should read -http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/20/AR2010022000679.html [washingtonpost.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210778</id>
	<title>I thought camera's were supposed to make an ....</title>
	<author>JDmetro</author>
	<datestamp>1266689100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>audible sound (click or some such) to alert people a picture is being taken.</htmltext>
<tokenext>audible sound ( click or some such ) to alert people a picture is being taken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>audible sound (click or some such) to alert people a picture is being taken.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211068</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1266691380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first thing I thought was "Here comes a shitstorm."</p><p>Turns out, society at large finds the behavior here pretty unconscionable, not something that they should embrace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing I thought was " Here comes a shitstorm .
" Turns out , society at large finds the behavior here pretty unconscionable , not something that they should embrace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing I thought was "Here comes a shitstorm.
"Turns out, society at large finds the behavior here pretty unconscionable, not something that they should embrace.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210554</id>
	<title>Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PMEST</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266686880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143" title="lmsd.org">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143</a> [lmsd.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php ? t = lmhs&amp;p = lmhs \ _today \ _anno&amp;menu = lmhs \ _today&amp;id = 1143 [ lmsd.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143 [lmsd.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211244</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266692940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the Q&amp;A at the end of the link:</p><p>&gt; 8. In the future, will students be required to use district issued laptops?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;     * The district believes students received significant benefit from the one-to-one laptop program and has no intention of discontinuing the program.</p><p>Way to answer the question... if a student has their own laptop already (which no doubt many do) then in no way is the one-to-one ratio reduced.  I can't imagine that any software a student needs to run isn't available on any O/S they may have.  My kids (grade 7 and 9) pretty much just need a pdf reader and a browser because the primary use of laptops in the classroom AFAIKS is as a universal textbook/library... and then there is this:</p><p>&gt; 4. Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;    * Not without express written notification to all students and families.</p><p>Note how it doesn't say "express written consent from the families"... ie: we're absolutely going to do this again and in a way you can't refuse.  Little Johnny can't use his own machine and we're going to pwn the one he *must* use.  If you choose not to submit to this Johnny will quickly find himself in a class that is really just a storage pen for the other misfits... good luck getting into college with that on your record.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the Q&amp;A at the end of the link : &gt; 8 .
In the future , will students be required to use district issued laptops ? &gt; &gt; * The district believes students received significant benefit from the one-to-one laptop program and has no intention of discontinuing the program.Way to answer the question... if a student has their own laptop already ( which no doubt many do ) then in no way is the one-to-one ratio reduced .
I ca n't imagine that any software a student needs to run is n't available on any O/S they may have .
My kids ( grade 7 and 9 ) pretty much just need a pdf reader and a browser because the primary use of laptops in the classroom AFAIKS is as a universal textbook/library... and then there is this : &gt; 4 .
Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature ? &gt; &gt; * Not without express written notification to all students and families.Note how it does n't say " express written consent from the families " ... ie : we 're absolutely going to do this again and in a way you ca n't refuse .
Little Johnny ca n't use his own machine and we 're going to pwn the one he * must * use .
If you choose not to submit to this Johnny will quickly find himself in a class that is really just a storage pen for the other misfits... good luck getting into college with that on your record .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the Q&amp;A at the end of the link:&gt; 8.
In the future, will students be required to use district issued laptops?&gt;&gt;     * The district believes students received significant benefit from the one-to-one laptop program and has no intention of discontinuing the program.Way to answer the question... if a student has their own laptop already (which no doubt many do) then in no way is the one-to-one ratio reduced.
I can't imagine that any software a student needs to run isn't available on any O/S they may have.
My kids (grade 7 and 9) pretty much just need a pdf reader and a browser because the primary use of laptops in the classroom AFAIKS is as a universal textbook/library... and then there is this:&gt; 4.
Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature?&gt;&gt;    * Not without express written notification to all students and families.Note how it doesn't say "express written consent from the families"... ie: we're absolutely going to do this again and in a way you can't refuse.
Little Johnny can't use his own machine and we're going to pwn the one he *must* use.
If you choose not to submit to this Johnny will quickly find himself in a class that is really just a storage pen for the other misfits... good luck getting into college with that on your record.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210690</id>
	<title>the FBI is very concerned...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266688260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>when other parties try to move in on their turf!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when other parties try to move in on their turf !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when other parties try to move in on their turf!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210834</id>
	<title>A hardware on/off swich would be nice</title>
	<author>ipquickly</author>
	<datestamp>1266689460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS10-015 patch caused problems on many systems that had malware -<br>this leads me to believe that many systems have malware.</p><p>If anyone were to take control of a system compromised like this,<br>wouldn't they have access to spy using the camera and microphone?</p><p>The problem is that our laptops don't have a "hardware" off switch for the camera and mic.</p><p>In the movie "The lives of others", the East-German Government installs a bug in secret.<br>In 2010, we bring the bugs in ourselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS10-015 patch caused problems on many systems that had malware -this leads me to believe that many systems have malware.If anyone were to take control of a system compromised like this,would n't they have access to spy using the camera and microphone ? The problem is that our laptops do n't have a " hardware " off switch for the camera and mic.In the movie " The lives of others " , the East-German Government installs a bug in secret.In 2010 , we bring the bugs in ourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS10-015 patch caused problems on many systems that had malware -this leads me to believe that many systems have malware.If anyone were to take control of a system compromised like this,wouldn't they have access to spy using the camera and microphone?The problem is that our laptops don't have a "hardware" off switch for the camera and mic.In the movie "The lives of others", the East-German Government installs a bug in secret.In 2010, we bring the bugs in ourselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216654</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>Phroggy</author>
	<datestamp>1266694860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> From the way I see people write about it, is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy won't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.</p></div><p>I don't think that's it at all.  It's not that we want these school administrators to be punished more harshly than privacy laws would allow for - I'm sure their punishment for breaking privacy laws would be sufficient.  Rather, we're unfairly generalizing, and making the assumption that the school administrators who did this are the same kind of people who have been pushing for tougher penalties for sex crimes.  It would be a sweet irony if they had to face the same hell that they've been promoting for others.</p></div>
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<tokenext>From the way I see people write about it , is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy wo n't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.I do n't think that 's it at all .
It 's not that we want these school administrators to be punished more harshly than privacy laws would allow for - I 'm sure their punishment for breaking privacy laws would be sufficient .
Rather , we 're unfairly generalizing , and making the assumption that the school administrators who did this are the same kind of people who have been pushing for tougher penalties for sex crimes .
It would be a sweet irony if they had to face the same hell that they 've been promoting for others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> From the way I see people write about it, is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy won't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.I don't think that's it at all.
It's not that we want these school administrators to be punished more harshly than privacy laws would allow for - I'm sure their punishment for breaking privacy laws would be sufficient.
Rather, we're unfairly generalizing, and making the assumption that the school administrators who did this are the same kind of people who have been pushing for tougher penalties for sex crimes.
It would be a sweet irony if they had to face the same hell that they've been promoting for others.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210974</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>anyGould</author>
	<datestamp>1266690600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the part that tickled me - while there may be some (flimsy) justification for using the AV for tracking down lost laptops, where is the justification or authority for disciplining children for activities off school grounds? Amazing how some educators think that they own kids 24/7, just because they sit in their class for an hour a day.</p><p>Simple immediate solution for parents - refuse the laptops. Tell the school that you don't accept spyware in your home. And be vocal about it - school boards will let stuff rot in court for years, but a few weeks on the front page will change their minds ASAP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the part that tickled me - while there may be some ( flimsy ) justification for using the AV for tracking down lost laptops , where is the justification or authority for disciplining children for activities off school grounds ?
Amazing how some educators think that they own kids 24/7 , just because they sit in their class for an hour a day.Simple immediate solution for parents - refuse the laptops .
Tell the school that you do n't accept spyware in your home .
And be vocal about it - school boards will let stuff rot in court for years , but a few weeks on the front page will change their minds ASAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the part that tickled me - while there may be some (flimsy) justification for using the AV for tracking down lost laptops, where is the justification or authority for disciplining children for activities off school grounds?
Amazing how some educators think that they own kids 24/7, just because they sit in their class for an hour a day.Simple immediate solution for parents - refuse the laptops.
Tell the school that you don't accept spyware in your home.
And be vocal about it - school boards will let stuff rot in court for years, but a few weeks on the front page will change their minds ASAP.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210744</id>
	<title>Very interesting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266688740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VERY interesting.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Did the district remotely access any laptops which were not lost, missing or stolen?<br>No.</p></div><p>Aha!  So why was the laptop reported lost/missing/stolen if the student had it?  It seems like the administration had a legitimate reason for turning on the security software!  If this is true, it complicates things.  I do not fault the school system for putting security software on the system.  Especially since they claim that 42 were reported lost/missing/stolen and they recovered 18 of them.</p><p>The details about this will be very interesting...</p></div>
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<tokenext>VERY interesting.Did the district remotely access any laptops which were not lost , missing or stolen ? No.Aha !
So why was the laptop reported lost/missing/stolen if the student had it ?
It seems like the administration had a legitimate reason for turning on the security software !
If this is true , it complicates things .
I do not fault the school system for putting security software on the system .
Especially since they claim that 42 were reported lost/missing/stolen and they recovered 18 of them.The details about this will be very interesting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VERY interesting.Did the district remotely access any laptops which were not lost, missing or stolen?No.Aha!
So why was the laptop reported lost/missing/stolen if the student had it?
It seems like the administration had a legitimate reason for turning on the security software!
If this is true, it complicates things.
I do not fault the school system for putting security software on the system.
Especially since they claim that 42 were reported lost/missing/stolen and they recovered 18 of them.The details about this will be very interesting...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31230936</id>
	<title>Re:Who's FBI is this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266861780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They also like to protect their monopoly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They also like to protect their monopoly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also like to protect their monopoly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210510</id>
	<title>In related news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266686640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.... A Pennsylvania high school reports that according to a recent study, students are not productive while using school laptops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.... A Pennsylvania high school reports that according to a recent study , students are not productive while using school laptops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.... A Pennsylvania high school reports that according to a recent study, students are not productive while using school laptops.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216182</id>
	<title>Re:Gatto: Schooling is a form of adoption...</title>
	<author>jjohnson</author>
	<datestamp>1266688500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gatto's a paranoid lunatic.  As someone who's dated teachers and is married to one now, I can say pretty categorically:</p><p>1) Teachers have pretty wide latitude over what and how they teach their classes.  To a degree this is because of the inability of school administration to closely supervise and control what actually goes on in a classroom, but in part it's also be design.  The teachers of today were trained in their education degrees to work <i>flexibly</i> with their class to accomplish the most learning.</p><p>2) You don't send your kids to school because you accept a promise that the state can do better than you.  You send them to school to socialize them with other kids, to learn from people who teach things you don't know like chemistry and calculus, and to get them out of the house so you can go back to your job (especially if you're a single parent).</p><p>3) Until you're in university, virtually nothing in your schooling prevents you, explicitly or otherwise, from pursuing any profession.  Bad marks in high school might keep you out of Princeton, but that's about it, and Princeton isn't the only place to get a good degree.  Now matter how badly you fuck up high school, you can still go on to do whatever you want to do, if you want it badly enough to do what's necessary, like repeating classes to get a good grade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gatto 's a paranoid lunatic .
As someone who 's dated teachers and is married to one now , I can say pretty categorically : 1 ) Teachers have pretty wide latitude over what and how they teach their classes .
To a degree this is because of the inability of school administration to closely supervise and control what actually goes on in a classroom , but in part it 's also be design .
The teachers of today were trained in their education degrees to work flexibly with their class to accomplish the most learning.2 ) You do n't send your kids to school because you accept a promise that the state can do better than you .
You send them to school to socialize them with other kids , to learn from people who teach things you do n't know like chemistry and calculus , and to get them out of the house so you can go back to your job ( especially if you 're a single parent ) .3 ) Until you 're in university , virtually nothing in your schooling prevents you , explicitly or otherwise , from pursuing any profession .
Bad marks in high school might keep you out of Princeton , but that 's about it , and Princeton is n't the only place to get a good degree .
Now matter how badly you fuck up high school , you can still go on to do whatever you want to do , if you want it badly enough to do what 's necessary , like repeating classes to get a good grade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gatto's a paranoid lunatic.
As someone who's dated teachers and is married to one now, I can say pretty categorically:1) Teachers have pretty wide latitude over what and how they teach their classes.
To a degree this is because of the inability of school administration to closely supervise and control what actually goes on in a classroom, but in part it's also be design.
The teachers of today were trained in their education degrees to work flexibly with their class to accomplish the most learning.2) You don't send your kids to school because you accept a promise that the state can do better than you.
You send them to school to socialize them with other kids, to learn from people who teach things you don't know like chemistry and calculus, and to get them out of the house so you can go back to your job (especially if you're a single parent).3) Until you're in university, virtually nothing in your schooling prevents you, explicitly or otherwise, from pursuing any profession.
Bad marks in high school might keep you out of Princeton, but that's about it, and Princeton isn't the only place to get a good degree.
Now matter how badly you fuck up high school, you can still go on to do whatever you want to do, if you want it badly enough to do what's necessary, like repeating classes to get a good grade.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213268</id>
	<title>Re:The school was within their rights...</title>
	<author>gatkinso</author>
	<datestamp>1266661920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, the fact that the school could and would remotely active te web cam for any reason at all, was not in an AUP or in fact any type of document that the parents and/or child signed, read, or was given.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , the fact that the school could and would remotely active te web cam for any reason at all , was not in an AUP or in fact any type of document that the parents and/or child signed , read , or was given .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, the fact that the school could and would remotely active te web cam for any reason at all, was not in an AUP or in fact any type of document that the parents and/or child signed, read, or was given.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31214308</id>
	<title>Re:Very interesting...</title>
	<author>avilliers</author>
	<datestamp>1266670440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The full answer is rather shifty.  Trimming it down to "no" makes it looks unequivocal.  The "district," whatever that means, didn't access it, but did the vice principal?  Other unauthorized people?  Were activations done in violation of policy by authorized people?

It's made clearer later in the article that they have not reviewed logs at this point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The full answer is rather shifty .
Trimming it down to " no " makes it looks unequivocal .
The " district , " whatever that means , did n't access it , but did the vice principal ?
Other unauthorized people ?
Were activations done in violation of policy by authorized people ?
It 's made clearer later in the article that they have not reviewed logs at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The full answer is rather shifty.
Trimming it down to "no" makes it looks unequivocal.
The "district," whatever that means, didn't access it, but did the vice principal?
Other unauthorized people?
Were activations done in violation of policy by authorized people?
It's made clearer later in the article that they have not reviewed logs at this point.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31291778</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267185180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Educational CyberPlayGround, Inc.<br>http://www.edu-cyberpg.com</p><p>Technology Area<br>http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/</p><p>K12 School Rights vs. Students Online privacy rights Explained.<br>http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/School-Webcam-Spy.html</p><p>History - this isn't the first time parents raised the issue of spying. There is a CODE OF PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE AND CONDUCT FOR EDUCATORS. APPLE CLASSROOMS<br>OF TOMORROW are a nightmare today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Educational CyberPlayGround , Inc.http : //www.edu-cyberpg.comTechnology Areahttp : //www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/K12 School Rights vs. Students Online privacy rights Explained.http : //www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/School-Webcam-Spy.htmlHistory - this is n't the first time parents raised the issue of spying .
There is a CODE OF PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE AND CONDUCT FOR EDUCATORS .
APPLE CLASSROOMSOF TOMORROW are a nightmare today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Educational CyberPlayGround, Inc.http://www.edu-cyberpg.comTechnology Areahttp://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/K12 School Rights vs. Students Online privacy rights Explained.http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/School-Webcam-Spy.htmlHistory - this isn't the first time parents raised the issue of spying.
There is a CODE OF PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE AND CONDUCT FOR EDUCATORS.
APPLE CLASSROOMSOF TOMORROW are a nightmare today.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211286</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266693240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143</a> [lmsd.org]</p> </div><p>Cute, but more misleading than informative.</p><p>The update attempts to mislead by making it unclear whether students are allowed to use the laptops at home. This is done by Dr. McGinley referencing "a loaner computer that, against regulations, might be taken off campus," while leaving it unclear whether the laptops issued to students fit into the category of "a loaner computer," and by pointing out that "rules for laptop use were spelled out - such as prohibitive uses on and off school property," but does not mention what these rules are.</p><p>A "Getting Started Guide for Student Laptops" pdf from lmsd.org clearly states the student laptops may be taken home, and gives instructions for connecting to the internet from some place outside  school, such as from home or an Internet cafe.</p><p>http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.lmsd.org/documents/tech/121\_student\_guide.pdf</p></div>
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<tokenext>http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php ? t = lmhs&amp;p = lmhs \ _today \ _anno&amp;menu = lmhs \ _today&amp;id = 1143 [ lmsd.org ] Cute , but more misleading than informative.The update attempts to mislead by making it unclear whether students are allowed to use the laptops at home .
This is done by Dr. McGinley referencing " a loaner computer that , against regulations , might be taken off campus , " while leaving it unclear whether the laptops issued to students fit into the category of " a loaner computer , " and by pointing out that " rules for laptop use were spelled out - such as prohibitive uses on and off school property , " but does not mention what these rules are.A " Getting Started Guide for Student Laptops " pdf from lmsd.org clearly states the student laptops may be taken home , and gives instructions for connecting to the internet from some place outside school , such as from home or an Internet cafe.http : //docs.google.com/viewer ? url = http : //www.lmsd.org/documents/tech/121 \ _student \ _guide.pdf</tokentext>
<sentencetext> http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143 [lmsd.org] Cute, but more misleading than informative.The update attempts to mislead by making it unclear whether students are allowed to use the laptops at home.
This is done by Dr. McGinley referencing "a loaner computer that, against regulations, might be taken off campus," while leaving it unclear whether the laptops issued to students fit into the category of "a loaner computer," and by pointing out that "rules for laptop use were spelled out - such as prohibitive uses on and off school property," but does not mention what these rules are.A "Getting Started Guide for Student Laptops" pdf from lmsd.org clearly states the student laptops may be taken home, and gives instructions for connecting to the internet from some place outside  school, such as from home or an Internet cafe.http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.lmsd.org/documents/tech/121\_student\_guide.pdf
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213086</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266660540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><i>Let them take away the right to say "Fuck" and you've given up the ability to say "Fuck the Government."</i></p><p>That's not the problem.  As Orwell points out in the <a href="http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/books/1984-appendix.htm" title="netcharles.com">appendix to "1984", where he discusses "Newspeak"</a> [netcharles.com], one could say "Big Brother is doubleplus ungood" in Newspeak. But the language for saying <i>why</i> wasn't available. So no one could make a convincing argument against Big Brother. "In Newspeak it was seldom possible to follow a heretical thought further than the perception that it was heretical: beyond that point the necessary words were nonexistent."</p><p>Watch for this phenomenon. It's real. Especially on talk radio.</p></div><p>Now that's just a <i>conspiracy theory</i>. Clearly, you are a nut, for only nuts react with anything for disdain and mockery when presented with a <i>conspiracy theory</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let them take away the right to say " Fuck " and you 've given up the ability to say " Fuck the Government .
" That 's not the problem .
As Orwell points out in the appendix to " 1984 " , where he discusses " Newspeak " [ netcharles.com ] , one could say " Big Brother is doubleplus ungood " in Newspeak .
But the language for saying why was n't available .
So no one could make a convincing argument against Big Brother .
" In Newspeak it was seldom possible to follow a heretical thought further than the perception that it was heretical : beyond that point the necessary words were nonexistent .
" Watch for this phenomenon .
It 's real .
Especially on talk radio.Now that 's just a conspiracy theory .
Clearly , you are a nut , for only nuts react with anything for disdain and mockery when presented with a conspiracy theory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let them take away the right to say "Fuck" and you've given up the ability to say "Fuck the Government.
"That's not the problem.
As Orwell points out in the appendix to "1984", where he discusses "Newspeak" [netcharles.com], one could say "Big Brother is doubleplus ungood" in Newspeak.
But the language for saying why wasn't available.
So no one could make a convincing argument against Big Brother.
"In Newspeak it was seldom possible to follow a heretical thought further than the perception that it was heretical: beyond that point the necessary words were nonexistent.
"Watch for this phenomenon.
It's real.
Especially on talk radio.Now that's just a conspiracy theory.
Clearly, you are a nut, for only nuts react with anything for disdain and mockery when presented with a conspiracy theory.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211076</id>
	<title>Re:This is all allegations</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266691440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The only concrete fact that the two parties agree on is that the laptops have tracking software.</i> </p><p>They agree that the tracking software was <b>not</b> disclosed to the students or their families.</p><p>They agree that the use of the webcam by the tracking software was <b>not</b> disclosed to the students or their families.</p><p>I believe they agree that the software also send screen captures - which opens another can of worms.</p><p>The school - after some un-gentle prodding - admitted that the logs show about 40 uses of the cameras.</p><p>It is not so clear who authorized [or could authorize] their use, who could access the cameras, authorized or not, and whether the system was as secure as it needed to be to prevent abuse.</p><p>The software used has not been disclosed.</p><p>That, I think will, in the end, prove to have been another mistake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only concrete fact that the two parties agree on is that the laptops have tracking software .
They agree that the tracking software was not disclosed to the students or their families.They agree that the use of the webcam by the tracking software was not disclosed to the students or their families.I believe they agree that the software also send screen captures - which opens another can of worms.The school - after some un-gentle prodding - admitted that the logs show about 40 uses of the cameras.It is not so clear who authorized [ or could authorize ] their use , who could access the cameras , authorized or not , and whether the system was as secure as it needed to be to prevent abuse.The software used has not been disclosed.That , I think will , in the end , prove to have been another mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only concrete fact that the two parties agree on is that the laptops have tracking software.
They agree that the tracking software was not disclosed to the students or their families.They agree that the use of the webcam by the tracking software was not disclosed to the students or their families.I believe they agree that the software also send screen captures - which opens another can of worms.The school - after some un-gentle prodding - admitted that the logs show about 40 uses of the cameras.It is not so clear who authorized [or could authorize] their use, who could access the cameras, authorized or not, and whether the system was as secure as it needed to be to prevent abuse.The software used has not been disclosed.That, I think will, in the end, prove to have been another mistake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211684</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>russ1337</author>
	<datestamp>1266695340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should also look for any images where a movie was being played in the background. The MPAA can sue them for $lots of money for infringement and distribution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should also look for any images where a movie was being played in the background .
The MPAA can sue them for $ lots of money for infringement and distribution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should also look for any images where a movie was being played in the background.
The MPAA can sue them for $lots of money for infringement and distribution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210908</id>
	<title>If this does not violate laws it sure should.</title>
	<author>bezenek</author>
	<datestamp>1266689880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I cannot imagine--if this did happen as reported--it did not violate laws.  If it did NOT violate any federal laws concerning privacy rights, then we need to make sure this IS a violation in the future.<br> <br>
Another note: If they retrieved one photo of someone underage engaged in a sex act (this includes the "m" word, I assume), they are guilty of manufacturing and distribution of c. p, which means 10+ years in federal prison.<br> <br>
What were these people thinking when they set this up?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not imagine--if this did happen as reported--it did not violate laws .
If it did NOT violate any federal laws concerning privacy rights , then we need to make sure this IS a violation in the future .
Another note : If they retrieved one photo of someone underage engaged in a sex act ( this includes the " m " word , I assume ) , they are guilty of manufacturing and distribution of c. p , which means 10 + years in federal prison .
What were these people thinking when they set this up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot imagine--if this did happen as reported--it did not violate laws.
If it did NOT violate any federal laws concerning privacy rights, then we need to make sure this IS a violation in the future.
Another note: If they retrieved one photo of someone underage engaged in a sex act (this includes the "m" word, I assume), they are guilty of manufacturing and distribution of c. p, which means 10+ years in federal prison.
What were these people thinking when they set this up?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212314</id>
	<title>Erm...</title>
	<author>Cormophyte</author>
	<datestamp>1266698880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Ferman said her office is 'looking to see whether there are potential violations of Pennsylvania criminal laws'"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...there better f*\%king be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ferman said her office is 'looking to see whether there are potential violations of Pennsylvania criminal laws ' " ...there better f * \ % king be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ferman said her office is 'looking to see whether there are potential violations of Pennsylvania criminal laws'" ...there better f*\%king be?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210776</id>
	<title>Re:FIST...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266688980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was (a) a good idea and (b) something to brag about.</p></div><p>Pedophiles?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was ( a ) a good idea and ( b ) something to brag about.Pedophiles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who could seriously have thought that the ability to spy on kids in their bedrooms was (a) a good idea and (b) something to brag about.Pedophiles?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213664</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266664740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the "kid" involved were smart enough to know they were being spied on, they could go about their normal business in front of the camera, then crucify the school for monitoring them. Destroy a few careers and lives, make some bank on the lawsuit, be famous as a victim and do the TV circuit.</p><p>Anyone care to post a tutorial to monitor, with a MITM PC between the notebook and the router, what content is being streamed from the notebook cam?</p><p>Making intrusive behavior by schools (which are supposed to protect children) backfire in the most punitive and painful way is clearly a noble cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the " kid " involved were smart enough to know they were being spied on , they could go about their normal business in front of the camera , then crucify the school for monitoring them .
Destroy a few careers and lives , make some bank on the lawsuit , be famous as a victim and do the TV circuit.Anyone care to post a tutorial to monitor , with a MITM PC between the notebook and the router , what content is being streamed from the notebook cam ? Making intrusive behavior by schools ( which are supposed to protect children ) backfire in the most punitive and painful way is clearly a noble cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the "kid" involved were smart enough to know they were being spied on, they could go about their normal business in front of the camera, then crucify the school for monitoring them.
Destroy a few careers and lives, make some bank on the lawsuit, be famous as a victim and do the TV circuit.Anyone care to post a tutorial to monitor, with a MITM PC between the notebook and the router, what content is being streamed from the notebook cam?Making intrusive behavior by schools (which are supposed to protect children) backfire in the most punitive and painful way is clearly a noble cause.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211722</id>
	<title>Re:Lojack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266695520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to their FAQ, they've bought 2,600 laptops at a cost of $1000 each. Of those, 42 have gone missing, with 18 recovered. Assuming those 42 all went missing in one year, the cost of replacement would be $42,000 compared to the $78,000 cost of Lojack for all the machines. The district would have to get a 50\% discount to make Lojack less expensive than simply buying replacements for all machines that go missing.</p><p>dom</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to their FAQ , they 've bought 2,600 laptops at a cost of $ 1000 each .
Of those , 42 have gone missing , with 18 recovered .
Assuming those 42 all went missing in one year , the cost of replacement would be $ 42,000 compared to the $ 78,000 cost of Lojack for all the machines .
The district would have to get a 50 \ % discount to make Lojack less expensive than simply buying replacements for all machines that go missing.dom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to their FAQ, they've bought 2,600 laptops at a cost of $1000 each.
Of those, 42 have gone missing, with 18 recovered.
Assuming those 42 all went missing in one year, the cost of replacement would be $42,000 compared to the $78,000 cost of Lojack for all the machines.
The district would have to get a 50\% discount to make Lojack less expensive than simply buying replacements for all machines that go missing.dom</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210832</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266689460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You guys know that Orwell didn't want 1984 to be true... right?
Orwell would be quite disappointed in us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys know that Orwell did n't want 1984 to be true... right ? Orwell would be quite disappointed in us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys know that Orwell didn't want 1984 to be true... right?
Orwell would be quite disappointed in us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211154</id>
	<title>Re:FIST...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266691920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't sign your fucking posts like it's a letter, fucktard.<p>For fuck's sake - what do you think the point of doing that is? Firmly signifying to all that you're a complete fucking moron? Don't worry - the content of your posts makes everyone aware.</p><p>Go get bowel cancer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't sign your fucking posts like it 's a letter , fucktard.For fuck 's sake - what do you think the point of doing that is ?
Firmly signifying to all that you 're a complete fucking moron ?
Do n't worry - the content of your posts makes everyone aware.Go get bowel cancer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't sign your fucking posts like it's a letter, fucktard.For fuck's sake - what do you think the point of doing that is?
Firmly signifying to all that you're a complete fucking moron?
Don't worry - the content of your posts makes everyone aware.Go get bowel cancer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211190</id>
	<title>Re:Who's FBI is this?</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1266692280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy, not protecting it?</p></div><p>Well, the point is that law enforcement, in general, is not going to look kindly upon this.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy , not protecting it ? Well , the point is that law enforcement , in general , is not going to look kindly upon this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't the FBI in charge of invading our privacy, not protecting it?Well, the point is that law enforcement, in general, is not going to look kindly upon this.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213112</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1266660720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But what better way to show how broad and draconian the laws on child porn have become, by using them against people in positions of authority, where it's clear the purpose wasn't pedophilia?</p><p>When someone is arrested for possessing a naughty photo of a 17 year old, do you think that "no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention" will cut it? No - and the law doesn't care about that. It's irrelevant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But what better way to show how broad and draconian the laws on child porn have become , by using them against people in positions of authority , where it 's clear the purpose was n't pedophilia ? When someone is arrested for possessing a naughty photo of a 17 year old , do you think that " no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention " will cut it ?
No - and the law does n't care about that .
It 's irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what better way to show how broad and draconian the laws on child porn have become, by using them against people in positions of authority, where it's clear the purpose wasn't pedophilia?When someone is arrested for possessing a naughty photo of a 17 year old, do you think that "no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention" will cut it?
No - and the law doesn't care about that.
It's irrelevant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210576</id>
	<title>Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266687120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>From:
<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html" title="boingboing.net">http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html</a> [boingboing.net] <p><div class="quote"><p>Vice Principal used a photo taken by the webcam as evidence.</p></div><p>All people who were responsible for this should be labelled for the rest of their lives as sex offenders with all the consequences. Hey, they <b>could</b> have watched the children naked at home. I am not an American, but from what I hear from news, some people got this sex offender stigma for much more ridiculous incidents. In this case it would make sure that something like this would never happen again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From : http : //www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html [ boingboing.net ] Vice Principal used a photo taken by the webcam as evidence.All people who were responsible for this should be labelled for the rest of their lives as sex offenders with all the consequences .
Hey , they could have watched the children naked at home .
I am not an American , but from what I hear from news , some people got this sex offender stigma for much more ridiculous incidents .
In this case it would make sure that something like this would never happen again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From:
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html [boingboing.net] Vice Principal used a photo taken by the webcam as evidence.All people who were responsible for this should be labelled for the rest of their lives as sex offenders with all the consequences.
Hey, they could have watched the children naked at home.
I am not an American, but from what I hear from news, some people got this sex offender stigma for much more ridiculous incidents.
In this case it would make sure that something like this would never happen again.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212610</id>
	<title>PA's "Constructive Possession" laws</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1266657540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically, the constructive possession doctrine in PA says that it is an equivalent situation that the administrators were physically located in the child's bedroom with a camera. This is the same law that is used to charge kids with minor possession of alcohol for simply being in a place where alcohol is present, regardless of whether the minor actually has physical possession of any. The beer may as well have been in their hand, just like the administrators may as well have been in the child's bedroom, where at some point during the constructive possession of the photographic equipment, one can reasonably conclude the child was undressed.</p><p>QED. The administrators are guilty of photographing naked minors by the constructive possession doctrine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , the constructive possession doctrine in PA says that it is an equivalent situation that the administrators were physically located in the child 's bedroom with a camera .
This is the same law that is used to charge kids with minor possession of alcohol for simply being in a place where alcohol is present , regardless of whether the minor actually has physical possession of any .
The beer may as well have been in their hand , just like the administrators may as well have been in the child 's bedroom , where at some point during the constructive possession of the photographic equipment , one can reasonably conclude the child was undressed.QED .
The administrators are guilty of photographing naked minors by the constructive possession doctrine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, the constructive possession doctrine in PA says that it is an equivalent situation that the administrators were physically located in the child's bedroom with a camera.
This is the same law that is used to charge kids with minor possession of alcohol for simply being in a place where alcohol is present, regardless of whether the minor actually has physical possession of any.
The beer may as well have been in their hand, just like the administrators may as well have been in the child's bedroom, where at some point during the constructive possession of the photographic equipment, one can reasonably conclude the child was undressed.QED.
The administrators are guilty of photographing naked minors by the constructive possession doctrine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211110</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1266691620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More to the point, they could NOT be sure they wouldn't see the student naked when they turned the camera on.</p><p>If peeing on a dumpster at 2AM can get someone branded as a sex offender because a school (clearly unoccupied at 2AM) happened to be next door then surely any school official that activated a webcam in the absence of a theft report would deserve at least as much.</p><p>If authorities believe that's a bit much, they should also be protesting the branding of non-government employees for much lesser offenses. Especially since school officials should have been much more aware of and sensitive to the potential issues surrounding any dealing with minors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More to the point , they could NOT be sure they would n't see the student naked when they turned the camera on.If peeing on a dumpster at 2AM can get someone branded as a sex offender because a school ( clearly unoccupied at 2AM ) happened to be next door then surely any school official that activated a webcam in the absence of a theft report would deserve at least as much.If authorities believe that 's a bit much , they should also be protesting the branding of non-government employees for much lesser offenses .
Especially since school officials should have been much more aware of and sensitive to the potential issues surrounding any dealing with minors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More to the point, they could NOT be sure they wouldn't see the student naked when they turned the camera on.If peeing on a dumpster at 2AM can get someone branded as a sex offender because a school (clearly unoccupied at 2AM) happened to be next door then surely any school official that activated a webcam in the absence of a theft report would deserve at least as much.If authorities believe that's a bit much, they should also be protesting the branding of non-government employees for much lesser offenses.
Especially since school officials should have been much more aware of and sensitive to the potential issues surrounding any dealing with minors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216676</id>
	<title>Re:Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266695100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While on the topic of media and cultural referances, this same topic is very popularly PORTRAYED as being legal and even ethical.  The most recent example in my mind comes from the popular US drama, House.  In a recent episode, Cutty is blackmailed by a recently fired employee.  She uses a concealed recording device to collect incriminating evidence against her adversary and then sends it to the DEA.</p><p>This theme isn't new either.</p><p>The point is that in popular culture it is perfectly justified to record or entrap anyone so long as the person unduely observed is proved guilty.</p><p>In no way is this a statement that it is legal, justified, ethical, morally correct, ect...  Just that most people get more of their knowledge about this type of matter from TV then get it from ethical/legal/moral/ect... backgrounds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While on the topic of media and cultural referances , this same topic is very popularly PORTRAYED as being legal and even ethical .
The most recent example in my mind comes from the popular US drama , House .
In a recent episode , Cutty is blackmailed by a recently fired employee .
She uses a concealed recording device to collect incriminating evidence against her adversary and then sends it to the DEA.This theme is n't new either.The point is that in popular culture it is perfectly justified to record or entrap anyone so long as the person unduely observed is proved guilty.In no way is this a statement that it is legal , justified , ethical , morally correct , ect... Just that most people get more of their knowledge about this type of matter from TV then get it from ethical/legal/moral/ect... backgrounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While on the topic of media and cultural referances, this same topic is very popularly PORTRAYED as being legal and even ethical.
The most recent example in my mind comes from the popular US drama, House.
In a recent episode, Cutty is blackmailed by a recently fired employee.
She uses a concealed recording device to collect incriminating evidence against her adversary and then sends it to the DEA.This theme isn't new either.The point is that in popular culture it is perfectly justified to record or entrap anyone so long as the person unduely observed is proved guilty.In no way is this a statement that it is legal, justified, ethical, morally correct, ect...  Just that most people get more of their knowledge about this type of matter from TV then get it from ethical/legal/moral/ect... backgrounds.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31215958</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>beckett</author>
	<datestamp>1266686340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i assume that as vice principal, he would understand the nuances of inappropriate student contact outside of school.  I even expect a part time substitute gym teacher to understand this, and this guy's a vice principal that has been vetted by the school district.<p><div class="quote"><p>The picture is of him eating Mike and Ike's and you can infer that he's pretending they're pills</p></div><p>Do you not see how wrong it is to even know what the picture is regarding?  there should be no pictures taken at all; the capability should not exist.  I would have figured since this school district's main job is to deal with kids they'd have a policy for all this underage illegal surveillance.  that way they wouldn't be depending on "common sense".

that vice principal didn't need common sense.  he just needed to obey the law.</p></div>
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<tokenext>i assume that as vice principal , he would understand the nuances of inappropriate student contact outside of school .
I even expect a part time substitute gym teacher to understand this , and this guy 's a vice principal that has been vetted by the school district.The picture is of him eating Mike and Ike 's and you can infer that he 's pretending they 're pillsDo you not see how wrong it is to even know what the picture is regarding ?
there should be no pictures taken at all ; the capability should not exist .
I would have figured since this school district 's main job is to deal with kids they 'd have a policy for all this underage illegal surveillance .
that way they would n't be depending on " common sense " .
that vice principal did n't need common sense .
he just needed to obey the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i assume that as vice principal, he would understand the nuances of inappropriate student contact outside of school.
I even expect a part time substitute gym teacher to understand this, and this guy's a vice principal that has been vetted by the school district.The picture is of him eating Mike and Ike's and you can infer that he's pretending they're pillsDo you not see how wrong it is to even know what the picture is regarding?
there should be no pictures taken at all; the capability should not exist.
I would have figured since this school district's main job is to deal with kids they'd have a policy for all this underage illegal surveillance.
that way they wouldn't be depending on "common sense".
that vice principal didn't need common sense.
he just needed to obey the law.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211128</id>
	<title>Innocent until proven guilty</title>
	<author>mangu</author>
	<datestamp>1266691800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until I have some more data on this, I won't make an assumption on what happened.</p><p>It's one thing to watch kids on their bedroom, it's another thing to find an image the kid made on his or her computer. I suppose that's exactly what the FBI wants to find out, who made those images?</p><p>These days when people start screaming "Ohmigod! There's pedophiles everywhere!" the school administration should be very careful if they give computers with cameras to the students.</p><p>What if a 15-year-old girl sent a picture of herself wearing a bikini to her 16-year-old boyfriend? There would be lots of people claiming the school administration was facilitating the creation and distribution of "child pornography".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until I have some more data on this , I wo n't make an assumption on what happened.It 's one thing to watch kids on their bedroom , it 's another thing to find an image the kid made on his or her computer .
I suppose that 's exactly what the FBI wants to find out , who made those images ? These days when people start screaming " Ohmigod !
There 's pedophiles everywhere !
" the school administration should be very careful if they give computers with cameras to the students.What if a 15-year-old girl sent a picture of herself wearing a bikini to her 16-year-old boyfriend ?
There would be lots of people claiming the school administration was facilitating the creation and distribution of " child pornography " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until I have some more data on this, I won't make an assumption on what happened.It's one thing to watch kids on their bedroom, it's another thing to find an image the kid made on his or her computer.
I suppose that's exactly what the FBI wants to find out, who made those images?These days when people start screaming "Ohmigod!
There's pedophiles everywhere!
" the school administration should be very careful if they give computers with cameras to the students.What if a 15-year-old girl sent a picture of herself wearing a bikini to her 16-year-old boyfriend?
There would be lots of people claiming the school administration was facilitating the creation and distribution of "child pornography".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211744</id>
	<title>Re:FIST...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266695640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most Slashdot users?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most Slashdot users ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most Slashdot users?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210886</id>
	<title>this will go nowhere.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266689700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not a lawyer, but I've investigated Supreme Court decisions on rights of students several times.  They always start "The student doesn't shed his or her constitutional rights at the schoolhouse doors, but...." and then go on to describe rights of administrators that describe a situation where the students have no rights.</p><p>All the lawyers have to do is describe a reasonable case that the admins were trying to "keep order" in the schoolhouse and this goes nowhere.  The Supreme Court has often went out of its way to make school administrators despots in their own little fiefdoms.  Anyone that has attended a public school since 1970 knows this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a lawyer , but I 've investigated Supreme Court decisions on rights of students several times .
They always start " The student does n't shed his or her constitutional rights at the schoolhouse doors , but.... " and then go on to describe rights of administrators that describe a situation where the students have no rights.All the lawyers have to do is describe a reasonable case that the admins were trying to " keep order " in the schoolhouse and this goes nowhere .
The Supreme Court has often went out of its way to make school administrators despots in their own little fiefdoms .
Anyone that has attended a public school since 1970 knows this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a lawyer, but I've investigated Supreme Court decisions on rights of students several times.
They always start "The student doesn't shed his or her constitutional rights at the schoolhouse doors, but...." and then go on to describe rights of administrators that describe a situation where the students have no rights.All the lawyers have to do is describe a reasonable case that the admins were trying to "keep order" in the schoolhouse and this goes nowhere.
The Supreme Court has often went out of its way to make school administrators despots in their own little fiefdoms.
Anyone that has attended a public school since 1970 knows this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210674</id>
	<title>Serious Jail Time?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266688080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a perfect world these assholes would fair serious jail time.  The laws the allegedly broke are no small matter.</p><p>Unless your the government and you break wiretapping laws all the time anyway.  Oh wait the school is part of the district, guess they will get away with it then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a perfect world these assholes would fair serious jail time .
The laws the allegedly broke are no small matter.Unless your the government and you break wiretapping laws all the time anyway .
Oh wait the school is part of the district , guess they will get away with it then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a perfect world these assholes would fair serious jail time.
The laws the allegedly broke are no small matter.Unless your the government and you break wiretapping laws all the time anyway.
Oh wait the school is part of the district, guess they will get away with it then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210818</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>c0d3g33k</author>
	<datestamp>1266689340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the linked article:<p><div class="quote"><p>Despite some reports to the contrary, be assured that the security-tracking software has been completely disabled.</p></div><p>I think completely *removed* would be the only assuring thing they could do.  Half-measures like this open up re-enabling in the future, whether by the school district, or someone else who now knows the software is present and has in interest in 're-purposing' it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>From the linked article : Despite some reports to the contrary , be assured that the security-tracking software has been completely disabled.I think completely * removed * would be the only assuring thing they could do .
Half-measures like this open up re-enabling in the future , whether by the school district , or someone else who now knows the software is present and has in interest in 're-purposing ' it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the linked article:Despite some reports to the contrary, be assured that the security-tracking software has been completely disabled.I think completely *removed* would be the only assuring thing they could do.
Half-measures like this open up re-enabling in the future, whether by the school district, or someone else who now knows the software is present and has in interest in 're-purposing' it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212114</id>
	<title>Re:this will go nowhere.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266697860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this question got an answer in the last story, I couldn't find it.</p><p>Are there any organizations dedicated to protecting minors' rights? Sort of like an NAACP or EFF for people under 18? If there isn't, there should be. They have no legal power in our society, so somebody has to represent them and defend their rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this question got an answer in the last story , I could n't find it.Are there any organizations dedicated to protecting minors ' rights ?
Sort of like an NAACP or EFF for people under 18 ?
If there is n't , there should be .
They have no legal power in our society , so somebody has to represent them and defend their rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this question got an answer in the last story, I couldn't find it.Are there any organizations dedicated to protecting minors' rights?
Sort of like an NAACP or EFF for people under 18?
If there isn't, there should be.
They have no legal power in our society, so somebody has to represent them and defend their rights.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212060</id>
	<title>Re:Who's FBI is this?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1266697500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's more like "No one picks on my little sister but me."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... --Big Brother</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more like " No one picks on my little sister but me .
" .... --Big Brother</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more like "No one picks on my little sister but me.
" .... --Big Brother</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210830</id>
	<title>Student saved picture onto desktop (Mike &amp; Ike</title>
	<author>colfer</author>
	<datestamp>1266689460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did the student save a picture of himself eating Mike &amp; Ike candies at home, which a school teacher or official later noticed on the desktop? That would be different than the school remotely viewing him at home. I'm as suspicious of anyone of authority, but lets get the facts straight. This could be the lawyer fishing on the *ability* the school had, not what it actually did. Both are bad, but one is worse.</p><p>The problem for the teacher or whomever is that once they saw the Mike &amp; Ike picture, assumed it was drugs, they may have been required to report it. The whole thing is insidious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the student save a picture of himself eating Mike &amp; Ike candies at home , which a school teacher or official later noticed on the desktop ?
That would be different than the school remotely viewing him at home .
I 'm as suspicious of anyone of authority , but lets get the facts straight .
This could be the lawyer fishing on the * ability * the school had , not what it actually did .
Both are bad , but one is worse.The problem for the teacher or whomever is that once they saw the Mike &amp; Ike picture , assumed it was drugs , they may have been required to report it .
The whole thing is insidious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the student save a picture of himself eating Mike &amp; Ike candies at home, which a school teacher or official later noticed on the desktop?
That would be different than the school remotely viewing him at home.
I'm as suspicious of anyone of authority, but lets get the facts straight.
This could be the lawyer fishing on the *ability* the school had, not what it actually did.
Both are bad, but one is worse.The problem for the teacher or whomever is that once they saw the Mike &amp; Ike picture, assumed it was drugs, they may have been required to report it.
The whole thing is insidious.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212172</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266698160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As I noted yesterday, this feature was limited to taking a still image of the computer user and an image of the desktop in order to help locate the reported missing, lost, or stolen computer (this includes tracking down a loaner computer that, against regulations, might be taken off campus). While we understand the concerns, in every one of the fewer than 50 instances in which the tracking software was used this school year, its sole purpose was to try to track down and locate a student's computer.</p></div></blockquote><p> (source <a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143</a> [lmsd.org] from OP )</p><p>B.S. This whole story came to light because of a student being disciplined for 'inappropriate behaviour in the home' accompanied by an image taken of them in the home from one of the laptop webcams.</p><p>If the laptop was stolen it would have been a whole different charge, their whole story is so full of holes it's ridiculous.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As I noted yesterday , this feature was limited to taking a still image of the computer user and an image of the desktop in order to help locate the reported missing , lost , or stolen computer ( this includes tracking down a loaner computer that , against regulations , might be taken off campus ) .
While we understand the concerns , in every one of the fewer than 50 instances in which the tracking software was used this school year , its sole purpose was to try to track down and locate a student 's computer .
( source http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php ? t = lmhs&amp;p = lmhs \ _today \ _anno&amp;menu = lmhs \ _today&amp;id = 1143 [ lmsd.org ] from OP ) B.S .
This whole story came to light because of a student being disciplined for 'inappropriate behaviour in the home ' accompanied by an image taken of them in the home from one of the laptop webcams.If the laptop was stolen it would have been a whole different charge , their whole story is so full of holes it 's ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I noted yesterday, this feature was limited to taking a still image of the computer user and an image of the desktop in order to help locate the reported missing, lost, or stolen computer (this includes tracking down a loaner computer that, against regulations, might be taken off campus).
While we understand the concerns, in every one of the fewer than 50 instances in which the tracking software was used this school year, its sole purpose was to try to track down and locate a student's computer.
(source http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=lmhs\_today&amp;id=1143 [lmsd.org] from OP )B.S.
This whole story came to light because of a student being disciplined for 'inappropriate behaviour in the home' accompanied by an image taken of them in the home from one of the laptop webcams.If the laptop was stolen it would have been a whole different charge, their whole story is so full of holes it's ridiculous.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31213340</id>
	<title>Re:Lojack</title>
	<author>gatkinso</author>
	<datestamp>1266662400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well their legal bills will far exceed $78,000 in the first year alone, which you seem to have left out of your calculations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well their legal bills will far exceed $ 78,000 in the first year alone , which you seem to have left out of your calculations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well their legal bills will far exceed $78,000 in the first year alone, which you seem to have left out of your calculations.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212730</id>
	<title>Re:Label them as sex offender</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1266658320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"... where is the justification or authority for disciplining children for activities off school grounds?"</p><p>Unfortunately, to my understanding, there's a whole body of recent case law that supports them doing just that. If they had had a forced signing statement in advance, I assume that this too would have sailed through just fine.</p><p>"Simple immediate solution for parents - refuse the laptops. Tell the school that you don't accept spyware in your home."</p><p>If you read the school's new FAQ page today, you'll see that the school-administered laptops are actually required for certain schoolwork.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ... where is the justification or authority for disciplining children for activities off school grounds ?
" Unfortunately , to my understanding , there 's a whole body of recent case law that supports them doing just that .
If they had had a forced signing statement in advance , I assume that this too would have sailed through just fine .
" Simple immediate solution for parents - refuse the laptops .
Tell the school that you do n't accept spyware in your home .
" If you read the school 's new FAQ page today , you 'll see that the school-administered laptops are actually required for certain schoolwork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"... where is the justification or authority for disciplining children for activities off school grounds?
"Unfortunately, to my understanding, there's a whole body of recent case law that supports them doing just that.
If they had had a forced signing statement in advance, I assume that this too would have sailed through just fine.
"Simple immediate solution for parents - refuse the laptops.
Tell the school that you don't accept spyware in your home.
"If you read the school's new FAQ page today, you'll see that the school-administered laptops are actually required for certain schoolwork.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211314</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit on "stolen" computers..</title>
	<author>Shoe Puppet</author>
	<datestamp>1266693360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The webcam probably was already built-in, so they only had to install the software. A GPS device would have been more expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The webcam probably was already built-in , so they only had to install the software .
A GPS device would have been more expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The webcam probably was already built-in, so they only had to install the software.
A GPS device would have been more expensive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211072</id>
	<title>Re:If this does not violate laws it sure should.</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1266691380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They were of course thinking of the children!</p><p>In what context<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... umm... I'm not gonna touch that with a 10 foot pole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They were of course thinking of the children ! In what context ... umm... I 'm not gon na touch that with a 10 foot pole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were of course thinking of the children!In what context ... umm... I'm not gonna touch that with a 10 foot pole.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31216014</id>
	<title>Re:Gatto: Schooling is a form of adoption...</title>
	<author>colinrichardday</author>
	<datestamp>1266686880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>since they had abandoned a belief in a Creator or an Afterlife, this material abundance WAS the best that a human life could aim for.</i></p><p>Rockefeller abandoned a belief in a Creator or an afterlife? That would be news to the parishoners of Cleveland's Euclid Avenue Baptist Church.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>since they had abandoned a belief in a Creator or an Afterlife , this material abundance WAS the best that a human life could aim for.Rockefeller abandoned a belief in a Creator or an afterlife ?
That would be news to the parishoners of Cleveland 's Euclid Avenue Baptist Church .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>since they had abandoned a belief in a Creator or an Afterlife, this material abundance WAS the best that a human life could aim for.Rockefeller abandoned a belief in a Creator or an afterlife?
That would be news to the parishoners of Cleveland's Euclid Avenue Baptist Church.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212470</id>
	<title>Re:Washington Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266656640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also notice that it went from being "Lower Merion School District" to being "A suburban Philadelphia school district."</p><p>I also note that the WP version spews the same "no, We CARE about children! Anything else you hear is just bad people spreading slander! Don't listen to your kids, they are kids, and don't know what they are talking about! We are just taking whatever precautions are needed to ensure their safety! HONEST!" message that pretty much *ALL* US school boards spew when they get caught with their knickers down.</p><p>I like the NYT article better, which gives real dirt on which school system, the name of the superintendent, and other details (Such as the PA school system hiring an outside consultancy firm to perform the actual footage auditing, perhaps without doing any background checks for pedophiles within that agency, and thus not practicing due diligence.) for the reader to independently investigate the occurrence.</p><p>The first says "This is a serious issue" over and over, the second one says "Nothing to see here, just kids trying to say bad things about an administrator, move along."</p><p>Personally, I hope this creates precedents that seriously shackles the runaway abuses of power that are going on in the public school system, and starts holding some high and mighty feet to some hot searing flames.</p><p>*remembers well the bullshit that went on in public school with school admins acting like they were the arbiters of fucking GOD, and denying students constitutional rights left and right.</p><p>
&nbsp; **BONUS: Captcha == "Humility"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also notice that it went from being " Lower Merion School District " to being " A suburban Philadelphia school district .
" I also note that the WP version spews the same " no , We CARE about children !
Anything else you hear is just bad people spreading slander !
Do n't listen to your kids , they are kids , and do n't know what they are talking about !
We are just taking whatever precautions are needed to ensure their safety !
HONEST ! " message that pretty much * ALL * US school boards spew when they get caught with their knickers down.I like the NYT article better , which gives real dirt on which school system , the name of the superintendent , and other details ( Such as the PA school system hiring an outside consultancy firm to perform the actual footage auditing , perhaps without doing any background checks for pedophiles within that agency , and thus not practicing due diligence .
) for the reader to independently investigate the occurrence.The first says " This is a serious issue " over and over , the second one says " Nothing to see here , just kids trying to say bad things about an administrator , move along .
" Personally , I hope this creates precedents that seriously shackles the runaway abuses of power that are going on in the public school system , and starts holding some high and mighty feet to some hot searing flames .
* remembers well the bullshit that went on in public school with school admins acting like they were the arbiters of fucking GOD , and denying students constitutional rights left and right .
  * * BONUS : Captcha = = " Humility "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also notice that it went from being "Lower Merion School District" to being "A suburban Philadelphia school district.
"I also note that the WP version spews the same "no, We CARE about children!
Anything else you hear is just bad people spreading slander!
Don't listen to your kids, they are kids, and don't know what they are talking about!
We are just taking whatever precautions are needed to ensure their safety!
HONEST!" message that pretty much *ALL* US school boards spew when they get caught with their knickers down.I like the NYT article better, which gives real dirt on which school system, the name of the superintendent, and other details (Such as the PA school system hiring an outside consultancy firm to perform the actual footage auditing, perhaps without doing any background checks for pedophiles within that agency, and thus not practicing due diligence.
) for the reader to independently investigate the occurrence.The first says "This is a serious issue" over and over, the second one says "Nothing to see here, just kids trying to say bad things about an administrator, move along.
"Personally, I hope this creates precedents that seriously shackles the runaway abuses of power that are going on in the public school system, and starts holding some high and mighty feet to some hot searing flames.
*remembers well the bullshit that went on in public school with school admins acting like they were the arbiters of fucking GOD, and denying students constitutional rights left and right.
  **BONUS: Captcha == "Humility"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210786</id>
	<title>Bullshit on "stolen" computers..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266689160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They claim its used to locate stolen computers and list that 20+ computers (out of 50ish) have been stolen.

Unless the laptop is "reported" to the police, as stolen, what does a webcam have to do with locating laptops? IP Addresses, in general, would be sufficient or an embedded GPS device. All visually non-invasive. Webcams could be used as a last resort to identify a thief using a computer.

In this case, it looks like this laptop was issued to the kid and the "improper behavior" was obtained from viewing webcam images. What' that have to do with stolen?

All of this is easy to think out, especially the privacy issues, so putting the webcams in place was deliberate and bound to be misused.

Now they are going to cover up and claim its all about stolen computers.. maybe they are the ones popping pills..</htmltext>
<tokenext>They claim its used to locate stolen computers and list that 20 + computers ( out of 50ish ) have been stolen .
Unless the laptop is " reported " to the police , as stolen , what does a webcam have to do with locating laptops ?
IP Addresses , in general , would be sufficient or an embedded GPS device .
All visually non-invasive .
Webcams could be used as a last resort to identify a thief using a computer .
In this case , it looks like this laptop was issued to the kid and the " improper behavior " was obtained from viewing webcam images .
What ' that have to do with stolen ?
All of this is easy to think out , especially the privacy issues , so putting the webcams in place was deliberate and bound to be misused .
Now they are going to cover up and claim its all about stolen computers.. maybe they are the ones popping pills. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They claim its used to locate stolen computers and list that 20+ computers (out of 50ish) have been stolen.
Unless the laptop is "reported" to the police, as stolen, what does a webcam have to do with locating laptops?
IP Addresses, in general, would be sufficient or an embedded GPS device.
All visually non-invasive.
Webcams could be used as a last resort to identify a thief using a computer.
In this case, it looks like this laptop was issued to the kid and the "improper behavior" was obtained from viewing webcam images.
What' that have to do with stolen?
All of this is easy to think out, especially the privacy issues, so putting the webcams in place was deliberate and bound to be misused.
Now they are going to cover up and claim its all about stolen computers.. maybe they are the ones popping pills..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210956</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1266690420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>considering that they official said previously that it was never used and are now admitting to less than 50 uses, they're pretty screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>considering that they official said previously that it was never used and are now admitting to less than 50 uses , they 're pretty screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>considering that they official said previously that it was never used and are now admitting to less than 50 uses, they're pretty screwed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211400</id>
	<title>Re:Washington Post</title>
	<author>charlesr44403</author>
	<datestamp>1266694020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The part of this that chilled me the most is that the vice principal thought this sort of thing was tolerable. maybe they will claim that parents signed a consent form for this? Anyone with a normally functioning mind, rather than a prison warden attitude, would know in an instant this would cause outrage. These days school really is prison for students in every way. Where did this "warden" imagine that he has any authority over what kids do at home anyway?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The part of this that chilled me the most is that the vice principal thought this sort of thing was tolerable .
maybe they will claim that parents signed a consent form for this ?
Anyone with a normally functioning mind , rather than a prison warden attitude , would know in an instant this would cause outrage .
These days school really is prison for students in every way .
Where did this " warden " imagine that he has any authority over what kids do at home anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part of this that chilled me the most is that the vice principal thought this sort of thing was tolerable.
maybe they will claim that parents signed a consent form for this?
Anyone with a normally functioning mind, rather than a prison warden attitude, would know in an instant this would cause outrage.
These days school really is prison for students in every way.
Where did this "warden" imagine that he has any authority over what kids do at home anyway?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212194</id>
	<title>Re:Very interesting...</title>
	<author>tftp</author>
	<datestamp>1266698220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>So why was the laptop reported lost/missing/stolen if the student had it?</i>
</p><p>
Yesterday's news quoted parents, and they say that the laptop was NOT reported stolen. They obviously wouldn't file a lawsuit otherwise.
</p><p>
The latest missive from the school is just building their defense. IMO, when FBI or court checks the computers and it turns out that there were other, unauthorized activations of cameras, or a way to bypass logs alltogether, then the people who claimed otherwise can say "we didn't know" and will blame someone who isn't important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So why was the laptop reported lost/missing/stolen if the student had it ?
Yesterday 's news quoted parents , and they say that the laptop was NOT reported stolen .
They obviously would n't file a lawsuit otherwise .
The latest missive from the school is just building their defense .
IMO , when FBI or court checks the computers and it turns out that there were other , unauthorized activations of cameras , or a way to bypass logs alltogether , then the people who claimed otherwise can say " we did n't know " and will blame someone who is n't important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> So why was the laptop reported lost/missing/stolen if the student had it?
Yesterday's news quoted parents, and they say that the laptop was NOT reported stolen.
They obviously wouldn't file a lawsuit otherwise.
The latest missive from the school is just building their defense.
IMO, when FBI or court checks the computers and it turns out that there were other, unauthorized activations of cameras, or a way to bypass logs alltogether, then the people who claimed otherwise can say "we didn't know" and will blame someone who isn't important.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211228</id>
	<title>The irony of all of this.</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1266692760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the FBI shows an interest? Are we sure they don't do it to see how they can get away with invading peoples privacy in the future?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the FBI shows an interest ?
Are we sure they do n't do it to see how they can get away with invading peoples privacy in the future ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the FBI shows an interest?
Are we sure they don't do it to see how they can get away with invading peoples privacy in the future?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31214444</id>
	<title>Bigger issue than just kids, mom, dad, gramps...</title>
	<author>niftymitch</author>
	<datestamp>1266671520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a bit bigger issue than the individual kids and "their laptop".
<br>
Because it was brought home all the members of the household
including guests can be "spied" on. By no stretch of the imagination
does the school system have authority to spy on the head of the
household and other members of the family not enrolled in the
school system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a bit bigger issue than the individual kids and " their laptop " .
Because it was brought home all the members of the household including guests can be " spied " on .
By no stretch of the imagination does the school system have authority to spy on the head of the household and other members of the family not enrolled in the school system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a bit bigger issue than the individual kids and "their laptop".
Because it was brought home all the members of the household
including guests can be "spied" on.
By no stretch of the imagination
does the school system have authority to spy on the head of the
household and other members of the family not enrolled in the
school system.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31212266</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>MWoody</author>
	<datestamp>1266698580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now wait, hold on a second: "this includes tracking down a loaner computer that, against regulations, might be taken off campus" - I was led to believe that the laptops were given out to students to take home.  Does this statement contradict that, or do they specifically mean loaner computers are the only type that aren't allowed to be taken off school grounds?</p><p>If the laptops were never intended to leave the premises, I might forgive the security measures he describes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now wait , hold on a second : " this includes tracking down a loaner computer that , against regulations , might be taken off campus " - I was led to believe that the laptops were given out to students to take home .
Does this statement contradict that , or do they specifically mean loaner computers are the only type that are n't allowed to be taken off school grounds ? If the laptops were never intended to leave the premises , I might forgive the security measures he describes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now wait, hold on a second: "this includes tracking down a loaner computer that, against regulations, might be taken off campus" - I was led to believe that the laptops were given out to students to take home.
Does this statement contradict that, or do they specifically mean loaner computers are the only type that aren't allowed to be taken off school grounds?If the laptops were never intended to leave the premises, I might forgive the security measures he describes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210664</id>
	<title>Prey</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266688020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen both commercial and open source webcam enabled anti-theft software advertised for personal use: <a href="http://preyproject.com/#download" title="preyproject.com">Prey</a> [preyproject.com] </p><p>I don't know the software well enough to know how it is designed and marketed for business/institutional use. How many of these programs can capture full or stop-motion video.</p><p>This strikes me as a minefield for both the developer and his clients.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen both commercial and open source webcam enabled anti-theft software advertised for personal use : Prey [ preyproject.com ] I do n't know the software well enough to know how it is designed and marketed for business/institutional use .
How many of these programs can capture full or stop-motion video.This strikes me as a minefield for both the developer and his clients .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen both commercial and open source webcam enabled anti-theft software advertised for personal use: Prey [preyproject.com] I don't know the software well enough to know how it is designed and marketed for business/institutional use.
How many of these programs can capture full or stop-motion video.This strikes me as a minefield for both the developer and his clients.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210678</id>
	<title>Slap 'em down.</title>
	<author>mudpup</author>
	<datestamp>1266688140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slap 'em down.<br>Make an example of these self important fools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slap 'em down.Make an example of these self important fools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slap 'em down.Make an example of these self important fools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210486</id>
	<title>Damn Good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266686520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because the absolute first thing *I* thought when I heard of this atrocity is: "Orwell would be proud."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the absolute first thing * I * thought when I heard of this atrocity is : " Orwell would be proud .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the absolute first thing *I* thought when I heard of this atrocity is: "Orwell would be proud.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210618</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>sizzzzlerz</author>
	<datestamp>1266687480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apologies and remorse are too late. Coulda-woulda-shouda. You guys fucked up big time and you are going to have your asses handed to you. Deservedly so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apologies and remorse are too late .
Coulda-woulda-shouda. You guys fucked up big time and you are going to have your asses handed to you .
Deservedly so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apologies and remorse are too late.
Coulda-woulda-shouda. You guys fucked up big time and you are going to have your asses handed to you.
Deservedly so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31211034</id>
	<title>Re:Update from Dr. McGinley, LMSD, 2010/02/19-10PM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266691080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If one frame of any laptop recorded a kid naked they all need to collectively go to prison and have signs in their yards forever.</p><p>I really want to sledgehammer that freaks face.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If one frame of any laptop recorded a kid naked they all need to collectively go to prison and have signs in their yards forever.I really want to sledgehammer that freaks face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one frame of any laptop recorded a kid naked they all need to collectively go to prison and have signs in their yards forever.I really want to sledgehammer that freaks face.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31210740</id>
	<title>This is all allegations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266688740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before we all get carried away decrying this school district, we must bear in mind that almost all the information we have comes from allegations in a lawsuit. The school district are innocent until proven guilty as far as I'm concerned. I have no reason to trust the family's lawyer over the school district's superintendent. The only concrete fact that the two parties agree on is that the laptops have tracking software. The district says they've only used on stolen laptops, while the lawsuit says that it was used in a disciplinary matter. Time will tell which is most accurate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before we all get carried away decrying this school district , we must bear in mind that almost all the information we have comes from allegations in a lawsuit .
The school district are innocent until proven guilty as far as I 'm concerned .
I have no reason to trust the family 's lawyer over the school district 's superintendent .
The only concrete fact that the two parties agree on is that the laptops have tracking software .
The district says they 've only used on stolen laptops , while the lawsuit says that it was used in a disciplinary matter .
Time will tell which is most accurate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before we all get carried away decrying this school district, we must bear in mind that almost all the information we have comes from allegations in a lawsuit.
The school district are innocent until proven guilty as far as I'm concerned.
I have no reason to trust the family's lawyer over the school district's superintendent.
The only concrete fact that the two parties agree on is that the laptops have tracking software.
The district says they've only used on stolen laptops, while the lawsuit says that it was used in a disciplinary matter.
Time will tell which is most accurate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31218094</id>
	<title>Re:Gatto: Schooling is a form of adoption...</title>
	<author>rah1420</author>
	<datestamp>1266764280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm seeing that a bunch of repliers to this opine that Gatto is a candidate for a tinfoil hat.   However, I want to push the idea back upstream from the time that you first give up your kid to the state institution.  It's too late by then.</p><p>What is REALLY needed to make acceptance of this sort of surveillance is to get them when they're preschoolers.</p><p>You need to put a television show on aimed at preschoolers.  Make it have a fuzzy stuffed bear who helps kids with things they don't know how to do themselves.  Make it a "special assignment" for this bear to help the kids.</p><p>The kids are told to do X or Y (make their bed, change the lining in their rabbit cage) by themselves <strong>with no parent guidance.</strong>  That's key number 1.</p><p>So how does this external agent, this "stuffed bear" change agent, know how to visit the children to help them?  How else?  A flying ladybug, that conceals a camera in it.  The camera flies in the neighborhood, sees the conundrum of the child, deploys the camera and takes some footage.  It then flies to a line-of-sight position, and sends the signal to an orbiting satellite, from where it's beamed to the special agent bear's headquarters.   His employer then takes him off of whatever he's doing to go help the child with what they want to accomplish.  After all, "it's all part of the plan" (we'll make that a tagline of the show, too.)</p><p>Farfetched?  <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1124354/usercomments" title="imdb.com">I don't</a> [imdb.com] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special\_Agent\_Oso" title="wikipedia.org">think</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://down-with-pants.blogspot.com/2009/05/special-agent-oso-is-watching.html" title="blogspot.com">so, unfortunately.</a> [blogspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm seeing that a bunch of repliers to this opine that Gatto is a candidate for a tinfoil hat .
However , I want to push the idea back upstream from the time that you first give up your kid to the state institution .
It 's too late by then.What is REALLY needed to make acceptance of this sort of surveillance is to get them when they 're preschoolers.You need to put a television show on aimed at preschoolers .
Make it have a fuzzy stuffed bear who helps kids with things they do n't know how to do themselves .
Make it a " special assignment " for this bear to help the kids.The kids are told to do X or Y ( make their bed , change the lining in their rabbit cage ) by themselves with no parent guidance .
That 's key number 1.So how does this external agent , this " stuffed bear " change agent , know how to visit the children to help them ?
How else ?
A flying ladybug , that conceals a camera in it .
The camera flies in the neighborhood , sees the conundrum of the child , deploys the camera and takes some footage .
It then flies to a line-of-sight position , and sends the signal to an orbiting satellite , from where it 's beamed to the special agent bear 's headquarters .
His employer then takes him off of whatever he 's doing to go help the child with what they want to accomplish .
After all , " it 's all part of the plan " ( we 'll make that a tagline of the show , too. ) Farfetched ?
I do n't [ imdb.com ] think [ wikipedia.org ] so , unfortunately .
[ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm seeing that a bunch of repliers to this opine that Gatto is a candidate for a tinfoil hat.
However, I want to push the idea back upstream from the time that you first give up your kid to the state institution.
It's too late by then.What is REALLY needed to make acceptance of this sort of surveillance is to get them when they're preschoolers.You need to put a television show on aimed at preschoolers.
Make it have a fuzzy stuffed bear who helps kids with things they don't know how to do themselves.
Make it a "special assignment" for this bear to help the kids.The kids are told to do X or Y (make their bed, change the lining in their rabbit cage) by themselves with no parent guidance.
That's key number 1.So how does this external agent, this "stuffed bear" change agent, know how to visit the children to help them?
How else?
A flying ladybug, that conceals a camera in it.
The camera flies in the neighborhood, sees the conundrum of the child, deploys the camera and takes some footage.
It then flies to a line-of-sight position, and sends the signal to an orbiting satellite, from where it's beamed to the special agent bear's headquarters.
His employer then takes him off of whatever he's doing to go help the child with what they want to accomplish.
After all, "it's all part of the plan" (we'll make that a tagline of the show, too.)Farfetched?
I don't [imdb.com] think [wikipedia.org] so, unfortunately.
[blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_1445216.31214840</id>
	<title>Hadn't they ought to investigate themselves first?</title>
	<author>EWAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1266675120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't there that little thing about warrantless wiretapping and wholesale snooping, with the connivance of the phone companies, after 9/11?</p><p>All the school has to do is declare that the snooping was to prevent terrorism, and the whole issue goes away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't there that little thing about warrantless wiretapping and wholesale snooping , with the connivance of the phone companies , after 9/11 ? All the school has to do is declare that the snooping was to prevent terrorism , and the whole issue goes away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't there that little thing about warrantless wiretapping and wholesale snooping, with the connivance of the phone companies, after 9/11?All the school has to do is declare that the snooping was to prevent terrorism, and the whole issue goes away.</sentencetext>
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