<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_20_0954226</id>
	<title>Perth Game Company CEO Takes IP By Night</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266666360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>snicho99 writes <i>"A US owned gaming company has fled Australia, leaving unpaid employees and a massive tax bill.  Apparently many staff have been working unpaid for months to allow their game to ship and hopefully the company to recover. Interzone's Perth (Western Australia) office was created with the assistance of a state government grant. Last week Interzone's (American) CEO
<a href="http://www.tsumea.com/australasia/australia/news/180210/mike-turner-removes-interzone-futebol-content-from-interzone-perth">entered the building at night and removed all the servers and IP</a> so that Interzone could continue production at a new company they have opened in Ireland. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYyr\_lX98Bw">The staff caught him on camera</a>. <a href="http://kranzky.rockethands.com/2010/02/13/interzone-the-downward-spiral/">More background here</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>snicho99 writes " A US owned gaming company has fled Australia , leaving unpaid employees and a massive tax bill .
Apparently many staff have been working unpaid for months to allow their game to ship and hopefully the company to recover .
Interzone 's Perth ( Western Australia ) office was created with the assistance of a state government grant .
Last week Interzone 's ( American ) CEO entered the building at night and removed all the servers and IP so that Interzone could continue production at a new company they have opened in Ireland .
The staff caught him on camera .
More background here .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>snicho99 writes "A US owned gaming company has fled Australia, leaving unpaid employees and a massive tax bill.
Apparently many staff have been working unpaid for months to allow their game to ship and hopefully the company to recover.
Interzone's Perth (Western Australia) office was created with the assistance of a state government grant.
Last week Interzone's (American) CEO
entered the building at night and removed all the servers and IP so that Interzone could continue production at a new company they have opened in Ireland.
The staff caught him on camera.
More background here.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209424</id>
	<title>A previous irrelevant quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266673020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Er, no, RTFS - he removed the servers.</p><p>This is the one time that referring to "IP theft" actually makes sense. He stole it, removing the original rather than duplicating.</p><p>Do people who commit piracy do so by going to the record companies at night, sneaking in, and removing their CDs?</p><p>Anyhow, where does anyone accuse him of stealing? Or are you just making up a straw man?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Er , no , RTFS - he removed the servers.This is the one time that referring to " IP theft " actually makes sense .
He stole it , removing the original rather than duplicating.Do people who commit piracy do so by going to the record companies at night , sneaking in , and removing their CDs ? Anyhow , where does anyone accuse him of stealing ?
Or are you just making up a straw man ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er, no, RTFS - he removed the servers.This is the one time that referring to "IP theft" actually makes sense.
He stole it, removing the original rather than duplicating.Do people who commit piracy do so by going to the record companies at night, sneaking in, and removing their CDs?Anyhow, where does anyone accuse him of stealing?
Or are you just making up a straw man?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210030</id>
	<title>Nations founded by criminals</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1266681840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What sort of behavior do you expect from nations founded by criminals?<br>
America was founded by the criminals that got away.<br>
Australia was founded by the ones that got caught.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What sort of behavior do you expect from nations founded by criminals ?
America was founded by the criminals that got away .
Australia was founded by the ones that got caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What sort of behavior do you expect from nations founded by criminals?
America was founded by the criminals that got away.
Australia was founded by the ones that got caught.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31216748</id>
	<title>The Take, anyone?</title>
	<author>SplinterOfChaos</author>
	<datestamp>1266782760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A really good documentary that relates to this situation. <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426596/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">The Take.</a> [imdb.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>A really good documentary that relates to this situation .
The Take .
[ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A really good documentary that relates to this situation.
The Take.
[imdb.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209840</id>
	<title>Superinterestingmegalomaniacs</title>
	<author>Kreeben</author>
	<datestamp>1266679260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Board: "Hey Mike, we're out of money. Take our shit and get out of Dodge!"
Mike: "But what about our employees? We owe them and shit."
Board: "Fuck'em!"
Mike: "Yeah, hell yeah, fuck all them!"

Wow, to have been a fly on the wall on that board meeting. Sociopaths are so god damn interesting people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Board : " Hey Mike , we 're out of money .
Take our shit and get out of Dodge !
" Mike : " But what about our employees ?
We owe them and shit .
" Board : " Fuck'em !
" Mike : " Yeah , hell yeah , fuck all them !
" Wow , to have been a fly on the wall on that board meeting .
Sociopaths are so god damn interesting people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Board: "Hey Mike, we're out of money.
Take our shit and get out of Dodge!
"
Mike: "But what about our employees?
We owe them and shit.
"
Board: "Fuck'em!
"
Mike: "Yeah, hell yeah, fuck all them!
"

Wow, to have been a fly on the wall on that board meeting.
Sociopaths are so god damn interesting people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209400</id>
	<title>There is much more to this than the Summary states</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interzone owns the Australia Tax Office (ATO) approximately $1m AUD and $500k in unpaid wages and superannuation. The owner changed the locks on the firm at 4am in the morning, locking all employees out from their work. Not even given a chance to collect their personal belongings. A new 'Interzone' called Big Collision is being setup in Dublin Ireland to complete development of their game Futebol in time for the World Cup, and without the debt they have accumulated in Australia. Originally Interzone was given a grant by the Western Australian goverment of $500k, so this has blown up very big on the news there, causing quite some political issues and questions of the chief Treasurer. They did not even lay off the staff, as that would of caused paper work, and the paying out of their due wages and redundancy money. They were simple locked out from their building. <br>
The firm that provides the middleware (BigWorld) based in Sydney, provided a server engineer (contracted by Mike to clear out the IP assets from the server.)
<br> <br>
The Interzone employees have been fantastic, in collecting evidence, and staying together to fight for what they are due.
<br> <br>
This is not the first time this has occured in Australia, similar shit has happened in the last year with firms Transmission, and Fuzzyeyes. Video games, one of the last places for cow-boy businessmen.
<br> <br>
For people who would like to read more on this, check these links:<br>
<a href="http://www.tsumea.com/australasia/australia/news/120210/interzone-games-perth-closes-staff-locked-out" title="tsumea.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tsumea.com/australasia/australia/news/120210/interzone-games-perth-closes-staff-locked-out</a> [tsumea.com] <br>
<a href="http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/wa-dev-interzone-games-close-to-liquidation/" title="kotaku.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/wa-dev-interzone-games-close-to-liquidation/</a> [kotaku.com.au] <br>
<a href="http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/interzone-ceo-marty-brickey-responds/" title="kotaku.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/interzone-ceo-marty-brickey-responds/</a> [kotaku.com.au] <br>
And this video where the employees confront one of the directors  <a href="http://vimeo.com/9574704" title="vimeo.com" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/9574704</a> [vimeo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interzone owns the Australia Tax Office ( ATO ) approximately $ 1m AUD and $ 500k in unpaid wages and superannuation .
The owner changed the locks on the firm at 4am in the morning , locking all employees out from their work .
Not even given a chance to collect their personal belongings .
A new 'Interzone ' called Big Collision is being setup in Dublin Ireland to complete development of their game Futebol in time for the World Cup , and without the debt they have accumulated in Australia .
Originally Interzone was given a grant by the Western Australian goverment of $ 500k , so this has blown up very big on the news there , causing quite some political issues and questions of the chief Treasurer .
They did not even lay off the staff , as that would of caused paper work , and the paying out of their due wages and redundancy money .
They were simple locked out from their building .
The firm that provides the middleware ( BigWorld ) based in Sydney , provided a server engineer ( contracted by Mike to clear out the IP assets from the server .
) The Interzone employees have been fantastic , in collecting evidence , and staying together to fight for what they are due .
This is not the first time this has occured in Australia , similar shit has happened in the last year with firms Transmission , and Fuzzyeyes .
Video games , one of the last places for cow-boy businessmen .
For people who would like to read more on this , check these links : http : //www.tsumea.com/australasia/australia/news/120210/interzone-games-perth-closes-staff-locked-out [ tsumea.com ] http : //www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/wa-dev-interzone-games-close-to-liquidation/ [ kotaku.com.au ] http : //www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/interzone-ceo-marty-brickey-responds/ [ kotaku.com.au ] And this video where the employees confront one of the directors http : //vimeo.com/9574704 [ vimeo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interzone owns the Australia Tax Office (ATO) approximately $1m AUD and $500k in unpaid wages and superannuation.
The owner changed the locks on the firm at 4am in the morning, locking all employees out from their work.
Not even given a chance to collect their personal belongings.
A new 'Interzone' called Big Collision is being setup in Dublin Ireland to complete development of their game Futebol in time for the World Cup, and without the debt they have accumulated in Australia.
Originally Interzone was given a grant by the Western Australian goverment of $500k, so this has blown up very big on the news there, causing quite some political issues and questions of the chief Treasurer.
They did not even lay off the staff, as that would of caused paper work, and the paying out of their due wages and redundancy money.
They were simple locked out from their building.
The firm that provides the middleware (BigWorld) based in Sydney, provided a server engineer (contracted by Mike to clear out the IP assets from the server.
)
 
The Interzone employees have been fantastic, in collecting evidence, and staying together to fight for what they are due.
This is not the first time this has occured in Australia, similar shit has happened in the last year with firms Transmission, and Fuzzyeyes.
Video games, one of the last places for cow-boy businessmen.
For people who would like to read more on this, check these links:
http://www.tsumea.com/australasia/australia/news/120210/interzone-games-perth-closes-staff-locked-out [tsumea.com] 
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/wa-dev-interzone-games-close-to-liquidation/ [kotaku.com.au] 
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/02/interzone-ceo-marty-brickey-responds/ [kotaku.com.au] 
And this video where the employees confront one of the directors  http://vimeo.com/9574704 [vimeo.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31217500</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1266755400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><strong>Just an added note - I'm not saying I disagree with the rest of your post, but I dislike the dismissive attitude in reference to civil PE's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</strong></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just an added note - I 'm not saying I disagree with the rest of your post , but I dislike the dismissive attitude in reference to civil PE 's : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just an added note - I'm not saying I disagree with the rest of your post, but I dislike the dismissive attitude in reference to civil PE's :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209276</id>
	<title>Bunch of Asian Employees ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266670920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see a whole bunch of Asian employees in the video-link posted in TFA. Asian employees in an australian company. Does anyone find this funny ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see a whole bunch of Asian employees in the video-link posted in TFA .
Asian employees in an australian company .
Does anyone find this funny ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see a whole bunch of Asian employees in the video-link posted in TFA.
Asian employees in an australian company.
Does anyone find this funny ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211214</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266692700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahh, the typical high-modded political agenda post on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>Fact is, this has nothing to do with management versus workers.  It has to do with abuse of power, regardless of the position.  The tech workers should have been smart, and instead of working for free, (and maybe they did) exchange the IP for their time contractually (not just words or hope), so when he does run off an start a new company, the product can't ship because THEY own a piece of it.</p><p>We've seen entire industries shut down by well paid union workers for weeks if not months, with auto strikes, candy makers (Hershey chocolate), ship port laborers preventing imports and exports to nearly the entire west coast of the US, etc.  Hell, one of the reasons we have a "health care crisis" is because of unions and benefit accounts, from which ERISA was born (unions looking out for retirement and benefit savings, that ended up screwing themselves over with the very law they wanted shifting power from management and executives to doctors, who were looking out for themselves in turn, who lost power to the insurance industry).</p><p>You're anti-capitalism rant is just that, anti-capitalism.  Simply don't put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of, or minimize it.  These workers did.  I'm usually against unions, particularly those that want pay and benefit hikes when everyone else is getting screwed and the industry suffer, and this is one area where I think unions are and have been a good thing.</p><p>Do not work for free.  Do not believe payment down the line unless it is written into protecting you.  If you believe someone's word, that's YOUR gullability, not capitalism screwing you.  btw, there's a bridge in Sydney that's for sale, contact parent, he'll gladly sell you it despite his anti-capitalism sentiments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahh , the typical high-modded political agenda post on /.Fact is , this has nothing to do with management versus workers .
It has to do with abuse of power , regardless of the position .
The tech workers should have been smart , and instead of working for free , ( and maybe they did ) exchange the IP for their time contractually ( not just words or hope ) , so when he does run off an start a new company , the product ca n't ship because THEY own a piece of it.We 've seen entire industries shut down by well paid union workers for weeks if not months , with auto strikes , candy makers ( Hershey chocolate ) , ship port laborers preventing imports and exports to nearly the entire west coast of the US , etc .
Hell , one of the reasons we have a " health care crisis " is because of unions and benefit accounts , from which ERISA was born ( unions looking out for retirement and benefit savings , that ended up screwing themselves over with the very law they wanted shifting power from management and executives to doctors , who were looking out for themselves in turn , who lost power to the insurance industry ) .You 're anti-capitalism rant is just that , anti-capitalism .
Simply do n't put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of , or minimize it .
These workers did .
I 'm usually against unions , particularly those that want pay and benefit hikes when everyone else is getting screwed and the industry suffer , and this is one area where I think unions are and have been a good thing.Do not work for free .
Do not believe payment down the line unless it is written into protecting you .
If you believe someone 's word , that 's YOUR gullability , not capitalism screwing you .
btw , there 's a bridge in Sydney that 's for sale , contact parent , he 'll gladly sell you it despite his anti-capitalism sentiments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahh, the typical high-modded political agenda post on /.Fact is, this has nothing to do with management versus workers.
It has to do with abuse of power, regardless of the position.
The tech workers should have been smart, and instead of working for free, (and maybe they did) exchange the IP for their time contractually (not just words or hope), so when he does run off an start a new company, the product can't ship because THEY own a piece of it.We've seen entire industries shut down by well paid union workers for weeks if not months, with auto strikes, candy makers (Hershey chocolate), ship port laborers preventing imports and exports to nearly the entire west coast of the US, etc.
Hell, one of the reasons we have a "health care crisis" is because of unions and benefit accounts, from which ERISA was born (unions looking out for retirement and benefit savings, that ended up screwing themselves over with the very law they wanted shifting power from management and executives to doctors, who were looking out for themselves in turn, who lost power to the insurance industry).You're anti-capitalism rant is just that, anti-capitalism.
Simply don't put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of, or minimize it.
These workers did.
I'm usually against unions, particularly those that want pay and benefit hikes when everyone else is getting screwed and the industry suffer, and this is one area where I think unions are and have been a good thing.Do not work for free.
Do not believe payment down the line unless it is written into protecting you.
If you believe someone's word, that's YOUR gullability, not capitalism screwing you.
btw, there's a bridge in Sydney that's for sale, contact parent, he'll gladly sell you it despite his anti-capitalism sentiments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212984</id>
	<title>Re:Well, what do you know...</title>
	<author>borcharc</author>
	<datestamp>1266659820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Australia has an <a href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/914C341D0E822700CA256F7100434503" title="comlaw.gov.au">extradition agreement</a> [comlaw.gov.au] with the U.S.</p><p>The offences that are extraditable include:</p><p>11.    Robbery.<br>12.    Burglary; housebreaking or any similar offence.<br>13.    Larceny.<br>14.    Embezzlement.<br>15.    Obtaining any property, money or valuable securities by false pretences or other form of deception.</p><p>I suspect this will not end well.</p></div><p>Sadly for the the employees left in the lurch, I don't see any of the offenses listed as extraditable committed or theft of any kind (IANNL). The head of a company, we will assume with the consent of its share holders, removed it's property from offices that it controlled. The employees have no right to this companies property or a right to dictate their actions except through lawful process.</p><p>The employees have a civil claim for their contracted wages, they should pursue those claims, perhaps with the assistance of a competent attorney. I suspect that this internet crybaby routine will only ensure they don't get paid. Frankly they got what they deserved for working without pay and not receiving an equity stake in the company/work. Chasing the CEO with a video camera and the police when they should have called an attorney likely sealed their fate.</p><p>This is a old lesson, people fall for it all the time, welcome to the club. The sooner you move on with your life the happier you will be.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Australia has an extradition agreement [ comlaw.gov.au ] with the U.S.The offences that are extraditable include : 11 .
Robbery.12. Burglary ; housebreaking or any similar offence.13 .
Larceny.14. Embezzlement.15 .
Obtaining any property , money or valuable securities by false pretences or other form of deception.I suspect this will not end well.Sadly for the the employees left in the lurch , I do n't see any of the offenses listed as extraditable committed or theft of any kind ( IANNL ) .
The head of a company , we will assume with the consent of its share holders , removed it 's property from offices that it controlled .
The employees have no right to this companies property or a right to dictate their actions except through lawful process.The employees have a civil claim for their contracted wages , they should pursue those claims , perhaps with the assistance of a competent attorney .
I suspect that this internet crybaby routine will only ensure they do n't get paid .
Frankly they got what they deserved for working without pay and not receiving an equity stake in the company/work .
Chasing the CEO with a video camera and the police when they should have called an attorney likely sealed their fate.This is a old lesson , people fall for it all the time , welcome to the club .
The sooner you move on with your life the happier you will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia has an extradition agreement [comlaw.gov.au] with the U.S.The offences that are extraditable include:11.
Robbery.12.    Burglary; housebreaking or any similar offence.13.
Larceny.14.    Embezzlement.15.
Obtaining any property, money or valuable securities by false pretences or other form of deception.I suspect this will not end well.Sadly for the the employees left in the lurch, I don't see any of the offenses listed as extraditable committed or theft of any kind (IANNL).
The head of a company, we will assume with the consent of its share holders, removed it's property from offices that it controlled.
The employees have no right to this companies property or a right to dictate their actions except through lawful process.The employees have a civil claim for their contracted wages, they should pursue those claims, perhaps with the assistance of a competent attorney.
I suspect that this internet crybaby routine will only ensure they don't get paid.
Frankly they got what they deserved for working without pay and not receiving an equity stake in the company/work.
Chasing the CEO with a video camera and the police when they should have called an attorney likely sealed their fate.This is a old lesson, people fall for it all the time, welcome to the club.
The sooner you move on with your life the happier you will be.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211408</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266694080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here in the US, we've had entire <i>industries</i> do this to their workers.  It's called "free-market capitalism" writ large.</p></div><p>Oh please. Firstly, FTS, which part of "Interzone's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. office was created with the assistance of a <b>state government grant</b>" sounds like free-market capitalism to you? Secondly, not paying your employees the agreed amount is already illegal under free-market capitalism, and blatantly defrauding labor is not "capitalism". The fact that your drivel got moderated +5 is testament to how widespread this rabid anti-free-market-capitalism cult has seemingly become right now.</p><p>If you believe your boss is just out to fuck you over, just quit already and do something else. Actually it's thanks to the "free-market capitalism" you criticise that it really is as simple as that; if you think it's better in other countries where they don't have that nasty "free-market capitalism" then by all means move somewhere like Cuba. The reason you have a job at all is because of your boss.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Here in the US , we 've had entire industries do this to their workers .
It 's called " free-market capitalism " writ large.Oh please .
Firstly , FTS , which part of " Interzone 's .. office was created with the assistance of a state government grant " sounds like free-market capitalism to you ?
Secondly , not paying your employees the agreed amount is already illegal under free-market capitalism , and blatantly defrauding labor is not " capitalism " .
The fact that your drivel got moderated + 5 is testament to how widespread this rabid anti-free-market-capitalism cult has seemingly become right now.If you believe your boss is just out to fuck you over , just quit already and do something else .
Actually it 's thanks to the " free-market capitalism " you criticise that it really is as simple as that ; if you think it 's better in other countries where they do n't have that nasty " free-market capitalism " then by all means move somewhere like Cuba .
The reason you have a job at all is because of your boss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in the US, we've had entire industries do this to their workers.
It's called "free-market capitalism" writ large.Oh please.
Firstly, FTS, which part of "Interzone's .. office was created with the assistance of a state government grant" sounds like free-market capitalism to you?
Secondly, not paying your employees the agreed amount is already illegal under free-market capitalism, and blatantly defrauding labor is not "capitalism".
The fact that your drivel got moderated +5 is testament to how widespread this rabid anti-free-market-capitalism cult has seemingly become right now.If you believe your boss is just out to fuck you over, just quit already and do something else.
Actually it's thanks to the "free-market capitalism" you criticise that it really is as simple as that; if you think it's better in other countries where they don't have that nasty "free-market capitalism" then by all means move somewhere like Cuba.
The reason you have a job at all is because of your boss.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209388</id>
	<title>smart employees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate to say it, but how smart are you if you're working for zip for MONTHS? People screw their spouse for less, so why put so much trust in your employer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to say it , but how smart are you if you 're working for zip for MONTHS ?
People screw their spouse for less , so why put so much trust in your employer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to say it, but how smart are you if you're working for zip for MONTHS?
People screw their spouse for less, so why put so much trust in your employer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210636</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266687600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not stealing, It's copyright infringement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not stealing , It 's copyright infringement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not stealing, It's copyright infringement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209874</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210472</id>
	<title>I had a similar thing happen.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266686340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was making a CG animated film for a small toy company out of my house. I had the render farm in my kitchen and the animation and editing equipment in the living room. The render farm was so loud I had to use ear plugs to sleep. A month before the film was to be finished the owner of the toy company entered my house and stole everything including the back up drives. I owned half the film but he forced me to sell out my rights for one cent on the dollar, we had a 2,700 theater release at the time with MGM. He made a couple of payments then stopped. The payments were only about half what I had into the film myself. Now I'm trying to find a lawyer but it looks bleak. My advice "trust no one!" And I wish they allowed all caps for that one! I've got a few facts posted on a temp web site. I'll be updating it later in the week. Right now I'm busying selling everything I own to pay rent. Riches to rags.  http://www.fftheuntoldstory.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was making a CG animated film for a small toy company out of my house .
I had the render farm in my kitchen and the animation and editing equipment in the living room .
The render farm was so loud I had to use ear plugs to sleep .
A month before the film was to be finished the owner of the toy company entered my house and stole everything including the back up drives .
I owned half the film but he forced me to sell out my rights for one cent on the dollar , we had a 2,700 theater release at the time with MGM .
He made a couple of payments then stopped .
The payments were only about half what I had into the film myself .
Now I 'm trying to find a lawyer but it looks bleak .
My advice " trust no one !
" And I wish they allowed all caps for that one !
I 've got a few facts posted on a temp web site .
I 'll be updating it later in the week .
Right now I 'm busying selling everything I own to pay rent .
Riches to rags .
http : //www.fftheuntoldstory.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was making a CG animated film for a small toy company out of my house.
I had the render farm in my kitchen and the animation and editing equipment in the living room.
The render farm was so loud I had to use ear plugs to sleep.
A month before the film was to be finished the owner of the toy company entered my house and stole everything including the back up drives.
I owned half the film but he forced me to sell out my rights for one cent on the dollar, we had a 2,700 theater release at the time with MGM.
He made a couple of payments then stopped.
The payments were only about half what I had into the film myself.
Now I'm trying to find a lawyer but it looks bleak.
My advice "trust no one!
" And I wish they allowed all caps for that one!
I've got a few facts posted on a temp web site.
I'll be updating it later in the week.
Right now I'm busying selling everything I own to pay rent.
Riches to rags.
http://www.fftheuntoldstory.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209442</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1266673380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the way I see it, the quote is completely right, even in this case.</p><p>The "IP" is irrelevant. The employees are owed for the time they worked, and nothing more. Even if you believe there is such a thing as "IP", the employees agreed it belongs to the company when they signed the contract, so it can't be "stolen" from them.</p><p>Having the CEO fire everybody and have another team continue development would have been perfectly legal. The only illegal thing is not paying the previous employees all they were owed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the way I see it , the quote is completely right , even in this case.The " IP " is irrelevant .
The employees are owed for the time they worked , and nothing more .
Even if you believe there is such a thing as " IP " , the employees agreed it belongs to the company when they signed the contract , so it ca n't be " stolen " from them.Having the CEO fire everybody and have another team continue development would have been perfectly legal .
The only illegal thing is not paying the previous employees all they were owed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the way I see it, the quote is completely right, even in this case.The "IP" is irrelevant.
The employees are owed for the time they worked, and nothing more.
Even if you believe there is such a thing as "IP", the employees agreed it belongs to the company when they signed the contract, so it can't be "stolen" from them.Having the CEO fire everybody and have another team continue development would have been perfectly legal.
The only illegal thing is not paying the previous employees all they were owed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209334</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31213232</id>
	<title>Owing the Tax Dept</title>
	<author>stimpleton</author>
	<datestamp>1266661680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In New Zealand, the IRD(Inland Revenue) take the view that unpaid wages is unpaid tax to them.<br> <br> If this occurred in New Zealand, the premises would be under IRD control by lunchtime.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In New Zealand , the IRD ( Inland Revenue ) take the view that unpaid wages is unpaid tax to them .
If this occurred in New Zealand , the premises would be under IRD control by lunchtime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In New Zealand, the IRD(Inland Revenue) take the view that unpaid wages is unpaid tax to them.
If this occurred in New Zealand, the premises would be under IRD control by lunchtime.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210662</id>
	<title>slash people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266687960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>please adjust the article to include the new company name and the CEO name and game name - so that this reputation will haunt him globally courtesy of internet search.  Moving to a different country isn't the complete reset it once was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>please adjust the article to include the new company name and the CEO name and game name - so that this reputation will haunt him globally courtesy of internet search .
Moving to a different country is n't the complete reset it once was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>please adjust the article to include the new company name and the CEO name and game name - so that this reputation will haunt him globally courtesy of internet search.
Moving to a different country isn't the complete reset it once was.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209390</id>
	<title>What the...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this sort of thing <em>legal</em>?</p><p>Oh wait. Yeah, I guess not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this sort of thing legal ? Oh wait .
Yeah , I guess not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this sort of thing legal?Oh wait.
Yeah, I guess not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31213198</id>
	<title>Approved?</title>
	<author>andr00oo</author>
	<datestamp>1266661500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did he have an approved change request? If not, he's in BIG trouble.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did he have an approved change request ?
If not , he 's in BIG trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did he have an approved change request?
If not, he's in BIG trouble.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210052</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1266681960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interestingly, this is almost exactly what the US headquarters of Lehman Brothers did immediately before the collapse - repatriated all the cash from overseas operations to pay US staff and creditors before anyone else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly , this is almost exactly what the US headquarters of Lehman Brothers did immediately before the collapse - repatriated all the cash from overseas operations to pay US staff and creditors before anyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly, this is almost exactly what the US headquarters of Lehman Brothers did immediately before the collapse - repatriated all the cash from overseas operations to pay US staff and creditors before anyone else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209558</id>
	<title>Re:Other countries are interesting</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1266675000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>free beers and hookers</p><p>Either you were running a tipsy knitting circle, or the folks were looking for a boss behind the boss --</p><p>big cheese, xtra crust, and anchovies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>free beers and hookersEither you were running a tipsy knitting circle , or the folks were looking for a boss behind the boss --big cheese , xtra crust , and anchovies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>free beers and hookersEither you were running a tipsy knitting circle, or the folks were looking for a boss behind the boss --big cheese, xtra crust, and anchovies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209230</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209998</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266681360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's refreshing to see an American CEO that actually knows enough about his own company to know what to steal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's refreshing to see an American CEO that actually knows enough about his own company to know what to steal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's refreshing to see an American CEO that actually knows enough about his own company to know what to steal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209716</id>
	<title>Hang him by the balls...</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1266677220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for a day or two, and then shoot him in the head. One less psychopath in the world can only be a good thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for a day or two , and then shoot him in the head .
One less psychopath in the world can only be a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for a day or two, and then shoot him in the head.
One less psychopath in the world can only be a good thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209358</id>
	<title>Internet hate campaign</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are times when internet hate campaigns get well out of hand, and end up causing huge amounts of trouble for people over trivial or non-existent issues.<br> <br>
This is not one of those times... Take it away, internet...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are times when internet hate campaigns get well out of hand , and end up causing huge amounts of trouble for people over trivial or non-existent issues .
This is not one of those times... Take it away , internet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are times when internet hate campaigns get well out of hand, and end up causing huge amounts of trouble for people over trivial or non-existent issues.
This is not one of those times... Take it away, internet...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210716</id>
	<title>Re:Why he gets away with it...</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1266688500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>(Assuming it's true) because people like this assume that most people are logical and aren't going to go postal on them so they can just walk in an do what they like. That's the price of civilization, you can bet he wouldnt've raided the office like this or cheated workers ouf of salaries if workers had reputations of smashing skulls in with bats.</p></div></blockquote><p>

And getting a standby flight to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur all of two hours after you've done your ingenious, secret removal of IP is so incredibly difficult (lets not even consider how hard it would be if he were willing to pay a premium).<br> <br>

I'll hit you with the clue by four about <a href="http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=perth&amp;sll=-25.335448,135.745076&amp;sspn=54.902961,114.169922&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Perth+Western+Australia&amp;ll=-45.213004,121.464844&amp;spn=86.127089,228.339844&amp;z=3" title="google.com.au">Perth, Western Australia</a> [google.com.au]. It's cheaper and easier to get out of this country from Perth then it is to get a flight to Sydney or Melbourne from Perth. This arsehole would have been safely on a Singapore Airlines flight from SIN to LAX before anyone in Perth had even woken up. Such is the price you pay for <b>modern</b> civilisation. A fat lot of good bats will do over the Pacific.<br> <br>

BTW we play Cricket over here not Baseball, Cricket bats are noticeably larger and heavier then baseball and result in far greater injuries.<br>
BTW x2, Perth's international Airport is less then 30 minutes drive from Perth's city centre.<br>
BTW x3, flight time from Perth (PER) to Singapore (SIN) is four and a half hours.<br> <br>

As others have said, the Tax Office will get this guy. Forget the AFP (Australian Federal Police) or ASIO (Australian Security Intelligence Organisation), if you cross the ATO (Australian Tax Office) you're in for a world of hurt, they are relentless and remorseless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Assuming it 's true ) because people like this assume that most people are logical and are n't going to go postal on them so they can just walk in an do what they like .
That 's the price of civilization , you can bet he wouldnt 've raided the office like this or cheated workers ouf of salaries if workers had reputations of smashing skulls in with bats .
And getting a standby flight to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur all of two hours after you 've done your ingenious , secret removal of IP is so incredibly difficult ( lets not even consider how hard it would be if he were willing to pay a premium ) .
I 'll hit you with the clue by four about Perth , Western Australia [ google.com.au ] .
It 's cheaper and easier to get out of this country from Perth then it is to get a flight to Sydney or Melbourne from Perth .
This arsehole would have been safely on a Singapore Airlines flight from SIN to LAX before anyone in Perth had even woken up .
Such is the price you pay for modern civilisation .
A fat lot of good bats will do over the Pacific .
BTW we play Cricket over here not Baseball , Cricket bats are noticeably larger and heavier then baseball and result in far greater injuries .
BTW x2 , Perth 's international Airport is less then 30 minutes drive from Perth 's city centre .
BTW x3 , flight time from Perth ( PER ) to Singapore ( SIN ) is four and a half hours .
As others have said , the Tax Office will get this guy .
Forget the AFP ( Australian Federal Police ) or ASIO ( Australian Security Intelligence Organisation ) , if you cross the ATO ( Australian Tax Office ) you 're in for a world of hurt , they are relentless and remorseless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Assuming it's true) because people like this assume that most people are logical and aren't going to go postal on them so they can just walk in an do what they like.
That's the price of civilization, you can bet he wouldnt've raided the office like this or cheated workers ouf of salaries if workers had reputations of smashing skulls in with bats.
And getting a standby flight to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur all of two hours after you've done your ingenious, secret removal of IP is so incredibly difficult (lets not even consider how hard it would be if he were willing to pay a premium).
I'll hit you with the clue by four about Perth, Western Australia [google.com.au].
It's cheaper and easier to get out of this country from Perth then it is to get a flight to Sydney or Melbourne from Perth.
This arsehole would have been safely on a Singapore Airlines flight from SIN to LAX before anyone in Perth had even woken up.
Such is the price you pay for modern civilisation.
A fat lot of good bats will do over the Pacific.
BTW we play Cricket over here not Baseball, Cricket bats are noticeably larger and heavier then baseball and result in far greater injuries.
BTW x2, Perth's international Airport is less then 30 minutes drive from Perth's city centre.
BTW x3, flight time from Perth (PER) to Singapore (SIN) is four and a half hours.
As others have said, the Tax Office will get this guy.
Forget the AFP (Australian Federal Police) or ASIO (Australian Security Intelligence Organisation), if you cross the ATO (Australian Tax Office) you're in for a world of hurt, they are relentless and remorseless.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210574</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>suprcvic</author>
	<datestamp>1266687120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Set your anti-capitalist feelings aside and look at this objectively.  Yeah, he screwed them over, but his goal in life wasn't "I'm going to screw these people over so hard and it's going to be awesome!!!!111!"  His goal was money and the employees happened to get screwed over by his lust for it.  I'm all about entrepreneurship, I'm a small business owner myself, but you can't force people to have a conscience.  Even in a socialist society, the workers get screwed over, just for other reasons.  People are always more interested in looking out for number 1 and the economic setup just determines <strong>how</strong> they screw others.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Set your anti-capitalist feelings aside and look at this objectively .
Yeah , he screwed them over , but his goal in life was n't " I 'm going to screw these people over so hard and it 's going to be awesome ! ! ! ! 111 !
" His goal was money and the employees happened to get screwed over by his lust for it .
I 'm all about entrepreneurship , I 'm a small business owner myself , but you ca n't force people to have a conscience .
Even in a socialist society , the workers get screwed over , just for other reasons .
People are always more interested in looking out for number 1 and the economic setup just determines how they screw others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Set your anti-capitalist feelings aside and look at this objectively.
Yeah, he screwed them over, but his goal in life wasn't "I'm going to screw these people over so hard and it's going to be awesome!!!!111!
"  His goal was money and the employees happened to get screwed over by his lust for it.
I'm all about entrepreneurship, I'm a small business owner myself, but you can't force people to have a conscience.
Even in a socialist society, the workers get screwed over, just for other reasons.
People are always more interested in looking out for number 1 and the economic setup just determines how they screw others.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209520</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266674520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Last week Interzone's (American) CEO entered the building at night and removed all the servers and IP so that Interzone could continue production at a new company they have opened in Ireland. The staff caught him on camera.</p></div><p>As much as I think that Mike Turner is a total scumbag, the linked video doesn't actually show him being caught in the act of removing anything. It does show him to be consistently wearing those crappy white iPod/iPhone earbuds - but while that probably should be a crime, it isn't currently on the books.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last week Interzone 's ( American ) CEO entered the building at night and removed all the servers and IP so that Interzone could continue production at a new company they have opened in Ireland .
The staff caught him on camera.As much as I think that Mike Turner is a total scumbag , the linked video does n't actually show him being caught in the act of removing anything .
It does show him to be consistently wearing those crappy white iPod/iPhone earbuds - but while that probably should be a crime , it is n't currently on the books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Last week Interzone's (American) CEO entered the building at night and removed all the servers and IP so that Interzone could continue production at a new company they have opened in Ireland.
The staff caught him on camera.As much as I think that Mike Turner is a total scumbag, the linked video doesn't actually show him being caught in the act of removing anything.
It does show him to be consistently wearing those crappy white iPod/iPhone earbuds - but while that probably should be a crime, it isn't currently on the books.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209334</id>
	<title>A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>eclectro</author>
	<datestamp>1266671580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"He just made a copy, nothing was lost. It's not stealing."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" He just made a copy , nothing was lost .
It 's not stealing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He just made a copy, nothing was lost.
It's not stealing.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209684</id>
	<title>Re:There is much more to this than the Summary sta</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266676800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>This is not the first time this has occurred in Australia, similar shit has happened in the last year with firms Transmission, and Fuzzyeyes. Video games, one of the last places for cow-boy businessmen. </i> </p><p>Actually, I belief this is a misrepresentation... I would argue that these are not "<i>Cow-Boy Businessmen</i>", but "<b>Cow-Dung Businessmen</b>". These fecal administrators, give scum of the earth a bad name. If there was any justice, they'd be plowed into a field so as to provide their only possible positive contribution to society as fertilizer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not the first time this has occurred in Australia , similar shit has happened in the last year with firms Transmission , and Fuzzyeyes .
Video games , one of the last places for cow-boy businessmen .
Actually , I belief this is a misrepresentation... I would argue that these are not " Cow-Boy Businessmen " , but " Cow-Dung Businessmen " .
These fecal administrators , give scum of the earth a bad name .
If there was any justice , they 'd be plowed into a field so as to provide their only possible positive contribution to society as fertilizer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This is not the first time this has occurred in Australia, similar shit has happened in the last year with firms Transmission, and Fuzzyeyes.
Video games, one of the last places for cow-boy businessmen.
Actually, I belief this is a misrepresentation... I would argue that these are not "Cow-Boy Businessmen", but "Cow-Dung Businessmen".
These fecal administrators, give scum of the earth a bad name.
If there was any justice, they'd be plowed into a field so as to provide their only possible positive contribution to society as fertilizer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209674</id>
	<title>Whenever someone says, "as American as apple pie"</title>
	<author>jpallan</author>
	<datestamp>1266676800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> I complete the mental thought with "tax fraud".

Really, if you're going to completely destroy everyone's lives because you're cheap, at least be smart and hide the money in Switzerland, kids.  It's classier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I complete the mental thought with " tax fraud " .
Really , if you 're going to completely destroy everyone 's lives because you 're cheap , at least be smart and hide the money in Switzerland , kids .
It 's classier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I complete the mental thought with "tax fraud".
Really, if you're going to completely destroy everyone's lives because you're cheap, at least be smart and hide the money in Switzerland, kids.
It's classier.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210846</id>
	<title>re: don't work for free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266689520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>the lesson here is don't work without getting paid.  i'm sorry, but that's it.  if the company can't afford to pay you they aren't going to be in business for long.  the exception is if you have an equity stake in the business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the lesson here is do n't work without getting paid .
i 'm sorry , but that 's it .
if the company ca n't afford to pay you they are n't going to be in business for long .
the exception is if you have an equity stake in the business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the lesson here is don't work without getting paid.
i'm sorry, but that's it.
if the company can't afford to pay you they aren't going to be in business for long.
the exception is if you have an equity stake in the business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210380</id>
	<title>That is bullshit....</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1266685440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Total bullshit. I wonder what would have happened had they physically stopped him?  Did this police just buy Mike Turner's bullshit?</p><p>I have another suggestion though - and that is for anyone who would want this game to not purchase it. A boycott, along with a piracy campaign - pirate the shit out of it. It;s about time piracy be used for altruistic purposes.</p><p>Could they file suit in the US or wherever the parent company is located?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Total bullshit .
I wonder what would have happened had they physically stopped him ?
Did this police just buy Mike Turner 's bullshit ? I have another suggestion though - and that is for anyone who would want this game to not purchase it .
A boycott , along with a piracy campaign - pirate the shit out of it .
It ; s about time piracy be used for altruistic purposes.Could they file suit in the US or wherever the parent company is located ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Total bullshit.
I wonder what would have happened had they physically stopped him?
Did this police just buy Mike Turner's bullshit?I have another suggestion though - and that is for anyone who would want this game to not purchase it.
A boycott, along with a piracy campaign - pirate the shit out of it.
It;s about time piracy be used for altruistic purposes.Could they file suit in the US or wherever the parent company is located?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31217610</id>
	<title>In a sane country (or with some sane workers)</title>
	<author>GravityStar</author>
	<datestamp>1266757920000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a sane country (or with some sane workers) the worker's union would occupy the offices with the CEO in it. Disconnect water, power, connectivity. And wait while he runs out of toilet-paper. "Do you want to talk about the unpayed wages yet? No? Ok. Here's another McBacon with cheese."</p><p>And at the same time getting the court to force the company to bankruptcy and freeze all assets, in order to pay for those wages.</p><p>Still, a lot of harm could have been prevented by the employees simply finding the employer in breach of the employment contract when he didn't pay up that first month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a sane country ( or with some sane workers ) the worker 's union would occupy the offices with the CEO in it .
Disconnect water , power , connectivity .
And wait while he runs out of toilet-paper .
" Do you want to talk about the unpayed wages yet ?
No ? Ok. Here 's another McBacon with cheese .
" And at the same time getting the court to force the company to bankruptcy and freeze all assets , in order to pay for those wages.Still , a lot of harm could have been prevented by the employees simply finding the employer in breach of the employment contract when he did n't pay up that first month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a sane country (or with some sane workers) the worker's union would occupy the offices with the CEO in it.
Disconnect water, power, connectivity.
And wait while he runs out of toilet-paper.
"Do you want to talk about the unpayed wages yet?
No? Ok. Here's another McBacon with cheese.
"And at the same time getting the court to force the company to bankruptcy and freeze all assets, in order to pay for those wages.Still, a lot of harm could have been prevented by the employees simply finding the employer in breach of the employment contract when he didn't pay up that first month.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209240</id>
	<title>I know where the money is hidden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266670260000</datestamp>
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	<title>Well, what do you know...</title>
	<author>Angostura</author>
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	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Australia has an <a href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/914C341D0E822700CA256F7100434503" title="comlaw.gov.au">extradition agreement</a> [comlaw.gov.au] with the U.S.</p><p>The offences that are extraditable include:</p><p>11.    Robbery.<br>12.    Burglary; housebreaking or any similar offence.<br>13.    Larceny.<br>14.    Embezzlement.<br>15.    Obtaining any property, money or valuable securities by false pretences or other form of deception.</p><p>I suspect this will not end well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australia has an extradition agreement [ comlaw.gov.au ] with the U.S.The offences that are extraditable include : 11 .
Robbery.12. Burglary ; housebreaking or any similar offence.13 .
Larceny.14. Embezzlement.15 .
Obtaining any property , money or valuable securities by false pretences or other form of deception.I suspect this will not end well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia has an extradition agreement [comlaw.gov.au] with the U.S.The offences that are extraditable include:11.
Robbery.12.    Burglary; housebreaking or any similar offence.13.
Larceny.14.    Embezzlement.15.
Obtaining any property, money or valuable securities by false pretences or other form of deception.I suspect this will not end well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212996</id>
	<title>Re:A previous irrelevant quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266660000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I will take the Linux source code, apply it to my personal OS and slap some advertisements on it to make money. Than I will not share the code at all.</p><p>Its not like you guys had anything stolen from you, I just made a copy and you still have yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I will take the Linux source code , apply it to my personal OS and slap some advertisements on it to make money .
Than I will not share the code at all.Its not like you guys had anything stolen from you , I just made a copy and you still have yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I will take the Linux source code, apply it to my personal OS and slap some advertisements on it to make money.
Than I will not share the code at all.Its not like you guys had anything stolen from you, I just made a copy and you still have yours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209362</id>
	<title>What asses</title>
	<author>bumfuckedegypt</author>
	<datestamp>1266672120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bad enough that they shut down but to knowingly continuing to do business and screwing the employees like that.  I mean damn...who the hell would want to work for them now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad enough that they shut down but to knowingly continuing to do business and screwing the employees like that .
I mean damn...who the hell would want to work for them now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad enough that they shut down but to knowingly continuing to do business and screwing the employees like that.
I mean damn...who the hell would want to work for them now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31213230</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1266661680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry man, when there is a bankruptcy, the unpaid employees and bond holders are the first in line and the business owners/equity holders are second. The CEO may not have stolen directly from the employees, but at the very least he did steal from the company. The company may not have been placed in bankruptcy yet, but that doesn't matter, just like it's a crime to write a check to yourself when you know your bank account is empty, it's also a crime to pull out the collateral from a company before a bankruptcy judge gets to it.<p><div class="quote"><p>The employees are owed for the time they worked, and nothing more.</p></div><p>The employees are owed, depending on the jurisdiction they're in, their back-pay, (possibly) severance, interests, and also possibly punitive damages. Except now, instead of the corporate entity being liable for it, the CEO (through his criminal actions) is personally liable for it. If I were the employees, I would be scouring the World for any personal Real Estate the CEO or his wife have attached to their names (just in case there is any).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry man , when there is a bankruptcy , the unpaid employees and bond holders are the first in line and the business owners/equity holders are second .
The CEO may not have stolen directly from the employees , but at the very least he did steal from the company .
The company may not have been placed in bankruptcy yet , but that does n't matter , just like it 's a crime to write a check to yourself when you know your bank account is empty , it 's also a crime to pull out the collateral from a company before a bankruptcy judge gets to it.The employees are owed for the time they worked , and nothing more.The employees are owed , depending on the jurisdiction they 're in , their back-pay , ( possibly ) severance , interests , and also possibly punitive damages .
Except now , instead of the corporate entity being liable for it , the CEO ( through his criminal actions ) is personally liable for it .
If I were the employees , I would be scouring the World for any personal Real Estate the CEO or his wife have attached to their names ( just in case there is any ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry man, when there is a bankruptcy, the unpaid employees and bond holders are the first in line and the business owners/equity holders are second.
The CEO may not have stolen directly from the employees, but at the very least he did steal from the company.
The company may not have been placed in bankruptcy yet, but that doesn't matter, just like it's a crime to write a check to yourself when you know your bank account is empty, it's also a crime to pull out the collateral from a company before a bankruptcy judge gets to it.The employees are owed for the time they worked, and nothing more.The employees are owed, depending on the jurisdiction they're in, their back-pay, (possibly) severance, interests, and also possibly punitive damages.
Except now, instead of the corporate entity being liable for it, the CEO (through his criminal actions) is personally liable for it.
If I were the employees, I would be scouring the World for any personal Real Estate the CEO or his wife have attached to their names (just in case there is any).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209518</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266674460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That doesn't belong on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia is not a venue for that sort of thing.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and people like you are polluting it with all kinds of unencyclopedic content that doesn't belong there.  Stop it.<br><br>If you want to post definitions, you should put them on Wiktionary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That does n't belong on Wikipedia .
Wikipedia is not a venue for that sort of thing .
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia , and people like you are polluting it with all kinds of unencyclopedic content that does n't belong there .
Stop it.If you want to post definitions , you should put them on Wiktionary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That doesn't belong on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is not a venue for that sort of thing.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and people like you are polluting it with all kinds of unencyclopedic content that doesn't belong there.
Stop it.If you want to post definitions, you should put them on Wiktionary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211036</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>NormalVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1266691140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Umm, except for the part about never paying them a dime for hours they already worked. The DOL would be all over them if they tried that one.</i> <br> <br>

Not as much as you'd think.  The Department of Labor doesn't care about anything except that the employee gets paid the federal minimum wage, and that overtime is paid when earned.  Did you get stiffed for a month's work at your salary of $80K/year?  The DoL will force them to pay you for that month at $7.25/hour, plus that amount again as liquidated damages.  Anything else you'll have to pursue on your own via civil court unless your state has decent worker protection laws, and even then it won't really matter if the company goes bankrupt.<br> <br>

I'm dealing with this situation right now - a previous employer screwed me out of a few thousand dollars (although there were other employees that are owed far, far more money), and neither Georgia (where the employer is based) nor Florida (where I am) have any employee protections worth a damn, so really the only recourse I have is to pursue them in court myself on my own dime and hope they don't declare bankruptcy before I can get a judgement and subsequent lien.  At least if I have the lien it will put me in a much better position if they do BK on me.  The funny thing is that they got all upset and fired me for refusing to come back into the office until they'd paid me when (at the time) they were three payrolls behind.<br> <br>Lots of places apparently think it's okay to extract interest-free loans from their employees and to force *them* to shoulder the financial risk, instead of the shareholders.  Some of them even have the unmitigated gall to tell the employees that they're not being "team players" when they refuse to do so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , except for the part about never paying them a dime for hours they already worked .
The DOL would be all over them if they tried that one .
Not as much as you 'd think .
The Department of Labor does n't care about anything except that the employee gets paid the federal minimum wage , and that overtime is paid when earned .
Did you get stiffed for a month 's work at your salary of $ 80K/year ?
The DoL will force them to pay you for that month at $ 7.25/hour , plus that amount again as liquidated damages .
Anything else you 'll have to pursue on your own via civil court unless your state has decent worker protection laws , and even then it wo n't really matter if the company goes bankrupt .
I 'm dealing with this situation right now - a previous employer screwed me out of a few thousand dollars ( although there were other employees that are owed far , far more money ) , and neither Georgia ( where the employer is based ) nor Florida ( where I am ) have any employee protections worth a damn , so really the only recourse I have is to pursue them in court myself on my own dime and hope they do n't declare bankruptcy before I can get a judgement and subsequent lien .
At least if I have the lien it will put me in a much better position if they do BK on me .
The funny thing is that they got all upset and fired me for refusing to come back into the office until they 'd paid me when ( at the time ) they were three payrolls behind .
Lots of places apparently think it 's okay to extract interest-free loans from their employees and to force * them * to shoulder the financial risk , instead of the shareholders .
Some of them even have the unmitigated gall to tell the employees that they 're not being " team players " when they refuse to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, except for the part about never paying them a dime for hours they already worked.
The DOL would be all over them if they tried that one.
Not as much as you'd think.
The Department of Labor doesn't care about anything except that the employee gets paid the federal minimum wage, and that overtime is paid when earned.
Did you get stiffed for a month's work at your salary of $80K/year?
The DoL will force them to pay you for that month at $7.25/hour, plus that amount again as liquidated damages.
Anything else you'll have to pursue on your own via civil court unless your state has decent worker protection laws, and even then it won't really matter if the company goes bankrupt.
I'm dealing with this situation right now - a previous employer screwed me out of a few thousand dollars (although there were other employees that are owed far, far more money), and neither Georgia (where the employer is based) nor Florida (where I am) have any employee protections worth a damn, so really the only recourse I have is to pursue them in court myself on my own dime and hope they don't declare bankruptcy before I can get a judgement and subsequent lien.
At least if I have the lien it will put me in a much better position if they do BK on me.
The funny thing is that they got all upset and fired me for refusing to come back into the office until they'd paid me when (at the time) they were three payrolls behind.
Lots of places apparently think it's okay to extract interest-free loans from their employees and to force *them* to shoulder the financial risk, instead of the shareholders.
Some of them even have the unmitigated gall to tell the employees that they're not being "team players" when they refuse to do so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209906</id>
	<title>Re:There is much more to this than the Summary sta</title>
	<author>mr exploiter</author>
	<datestamp>1266679920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope the employees kept backups of the code... I hope the employees can form some kind of cooperative (company owned by the employees) and finish the game. I'm sure that the gamming community would support them and buy their version of the game instead of the one made by this dishonest assholes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope the employees kept backups of the code... I hope the employees can form some kind of cooperative ( company owned by the employees ) and finish the game .
I 'm sure that the gamming community would support them and buy their version of the game instead of the one made by this dishonest assholes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope the employees kept backups of the code... I hope the employees can form some kind of cooperative (company owned by the employees) and finish the game.
I'm sure that the gamming community would support them and buy their version of the game instead of the one made by this dishonest assholes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209400</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209308</id>
	<title>Not nice.</title>
	<author>bbqsrc</author>
	<datestamp>1266671340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this isn't fraud, I'm sure the government will be on their asses about the lack of payment of their workers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is n't fraud , I 'm sure the government will be on their asses about the lack of payment of their workers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this isn't fraud, I'm sure the government will be on their asses about the lack of payment of their workers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210238</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266684120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't blame capitalism for the failings of one piece of shit. A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant, nor would their workers continued working for no pay. That's entirely the fault of socialism for enabling a conniving bastard like that guy to rise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't blame capitalism for the failings of one piece of shit .
A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant , nor would their workers continued working for no pay .
That 's entirely the fault of socialism for enabling a conniving bastard like that guy to rise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't blame capitalism for the failings of one piece of shit.
A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant, nor would their workers continued working for no pay.
That's entirely the fault of socialism for enabling a conniving bastard like that guy to rise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210074</id>
	<title>Re:There is much more to this than the Summary sta</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1266682140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So not only is he ripping off the taxman but he's stealing the employee's personal property.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So not only is he ripping off the taxman but he 's stealing the employee 's personal property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So not only is he ripping off the taxman but he's stealing the employee's personal property.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209884</id>
	<title>Cop made them turn the camera off?</title>
	<author>pacoder</author>
	<datestamp>1266679680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How was the cop able to force them to turn the camera off? That seems...oh I don't know, evil I guess is the word.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How was the cop able to force them to turn the camera off ?
That seems...oh I do n't know , evil I guess is the word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How was the cop able to force them to turn the camera off?
That seems...oh I don't know, evil I guess is the word.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209566</id>
	<title>So..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266675060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why did they work without pay?</p><p>Sounds like they did it to themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did they work without pay ? Sounds like they did it to themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did they work without pay?Sounds like they did it to themselves.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211060</id>
	<title>Re:CEOs are better people than we are</title>
	<author>NormalVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1266691320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your ideas are intriguing to me , and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31216348</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266690000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't over complicate it.</p><p>A programmer is someone who writes code for the machine.<br>A engineer is someone who creates the machine.<br>A programming engineer is someone who can do both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't over complicate it.A programmer is someone who writes code for the machine.A engineer is someone who creates the machine.A programming engineer is someone who can do both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't over complicate it.A programmer is someone who writes code for the machine.A engineer is someone who creates the machine.A programming engineer is someone who can do both.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31218656</id>
	<title>Tough titties?</title>
	<author>rsilvergun</author>
	<datestamp>1266770040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I notice when a business owner makes off with half a mil in a assets (unpaid wages) it's tough titties but if one of the employees had done the same thing to him the frickin' justice dept extradites his ass and throws him in jail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I notice when a business owner makes off with half a mil in a assets ( unpaid wages ) it 's tough titties but if one of the employees had done the same thing to him the frickin ' justice dept extradites his ass and throws him in jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I notice when a business owner makes off with half a mil in a assets (unpaid wages) it's tough titties but if one of the employees had done the same thing to him the frickin' justice dept extradites his ass and throws him in jail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212440</id>
	<title>Never work for free</title>
	<author>Rix</author>
	<datestamp>1266656460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have no sympathy for people who do this and get burned; they're just eroding the leverage the rest of us have.</p><p>That said, you need not necessarily demand cash. Stock or bonds will also do, at a rate that takes into consideration the risk of the investment. But if you give a floundering employer a free, unsecured loan you're both a moron and an asshole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no sympathy for people who do this and get burned ; they 're just eroding the leverage the rest of us have.That said , you need not necessarily demand cash .
Stock or bonds will also do , at a rate that takes into consideration the risk of the investment .
But if you give a floundering employer a free , unsecured loan you 're both a moron and an asshole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no sympathy for people who do this and get burned; they're just eroding the leverage the rest of us have.That said, you need not necessarily demand cash.
Stock or bonds will also do, at a rate that takes into consideration the risk of the investment.
But if you give a floundering employer a free, unsecured loan you're both a moron and an asshole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210502</id>
	<title>decline of the western "civilization"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266686580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nuff said</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nuff said</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nuff said</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212122</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1266697860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant, nor would their workers continued working for no pay.</i><br>Perhaps not, but he almost certainly would have hidden behind the government's apron by incorporating in order to keep his employees from holding him personally liable, even when his actions resulted in a loss for them.<br>
&nbsp; It's laughable when people talk about "capitalism" but then still demand the government protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions.</p></div><p>Actually, that has been the modus operandi of capitalism since it went live. The state is the general management team for capitalists, a sort of "dad" for all the children/companies: sometimes the kids get out of line and need a good whack, sometimes they are in trouble and dad bails them out. It's just too bad that dad is actually a mobster and the money is obtained by extortion and armed robbery.</p><p>I used to be quite unhappy about it, until I started my own business and discovered that I too, was suddenly adopted and got to share in the bounty<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant , nor would their workers continued working for no pay.Perhaps not , but he almost certainly would have hidden behind the government 's apron by incorporating in order to keep his employees from holding him personally liable , even when his actions resulted in a loss for them .
  It 's laughable when people talk about " capitalism " but then still demand the government protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions.Actually , that has been the modus operandi of capitalism since it went live .
The state is the general management team for capitalists , a sort of " dad " for all the children/companies : sometimes the kids get out of line and need a good whack , sometimes they are in trouble and dad bails them out .
It 's just too bad that dad is actually a mobster and the money is obtained by extortion and armed robbery.I used to be quite unhappy about it , until I started my own business and discovered that I too , was suddenly adopted and got to share in the bounty : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant, nor would their workers continued working for no pay.Perhaps not, but he almost certainly would have hidden behind the government's apron by incorporating in order to keep his employees from holding him personally liable, even when his actions resulted in a loss for them.
  It's laughable when people talk about "capitalism" but then still demand the government protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions.Actually, that has been the modus operandi of capitalism since it went live.
The state is the general management team for capitalists, a sort of "dad" for all the children/companies: sometimes the kids get out of line and need a good whack, sometimes they are in trouble and dad bails them out.
It's just too bad that dad is actually a mobster and the money is obtained by extortion and armed robbery.I used to be quite unhappy about it, until I started my own business and discovered that I too, was suddenly adopted and got to share in the bounty :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209526</id>
	<title>disgusting ...</title>
	<author>Lazy Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1266674580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>even if he gets away with this, his new employees will probably think twice before working on unpaid wages for so long. Also, a publisher should certainly be wary of someone with such dubious business practices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>even if he gets away with this , his new employees will probably think twice before working on unpaid wages for so long .
Also , a publisher should certainly be wary of someone with such dubious business practices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>even if he gets away with this, his new employees will probably think twice before working on unpaid wages for so long.
Also, a publisher should certainly be wary of someone with such dubious business practices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209616</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266675900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't such a big deal.</p><p>Here in the US, we've had entire <i>industries</i> do this to their workers.  It's called "free-market capitalism" writ large.</p><p>The only interesting thing is that Interzone did this to technology workers.</p><p>Maybe it's time the techies realized that they are working class and not the professional class many have thought of themselves.  And management really is out to fuck you over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't such a big deal.Here in the US , we 've had entire industries do this to their workers .
It 's called " free-market capitalism " writ large.The only interesting thing is that Interzone did this to technology workers.Maybe it 's time the techies realized that they are working class and not the professional class many have thought of themselves .
And management really is out to fuck you over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't such a big deal.Here in the US, we've had entire industries do this to their workers.
It's called "free-market capitalism" writ large.The only interesting thing is that Interzone did this to technology workers.Maybe it's time the techies realized that they are working class and not the professional class many have thought of themselves.
And management really is out to fuck you over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210010</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1266681540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it's interesting that the manager showed up and seized the equipment without an opportunity for employees to clear personal data or office possessions. That's pretty unusual.</p><p>I've seen small companies closing their doors under different, but similarly awful circumstances. (Power being cut, losing their network feed due to non-payment, unpaid-for equipment being seized, etc.) An important rule for employees facing such troubles is to make sure you have all legal documents in off-site backup. Follow your contracts, but make sure your payment records, stock information, signed contracts, etc. are available offline. And consider whether to back up your work and email offsite or on separate media: I've actually been offered a return consulting job to come back and reconstruct work that I'd done and they'd deleted all source code for, as part of purging my old accounts. Since I;d been there as a corporate partner, and they tried to pay me under the table and not notify my company, I contacted our sales and legal departments. It turned out they hadn't paid six months of outstanding bills, and hiring me behind my company's back would have been much cheaper for them and much more profitable for me, but would have left my employer with much less leverage to get paid.</p><p>Fortunately for me, the key work I'd done had actually already been submitted to the relevant open source project's main codelines, so it wasn't lost. And they hadn't noticed the explanations in my contract about what working on GPL tools nad publishing them to that client meant, that they were under GPL. We actually managed to get them to cough up at least some of the backpay, mostly for explaining where to to get the updates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's interesting that the manager showed up and seized the equipment without an opportunity for employees to clear personal data or office possessions .
That 's pretty unusual.I 've seen small companies closing their doors under different , but similarly awful circumstances .
( Power being cut , losing their network feed due to non-payment , unpaid-for equipment being seized , etc .
) An important rule for employees facing such troubles is to make sure you have all legal documents in off-site backup .
Follow your contracts , but make sure your payment records , stock information , signed contracts , etc .
are available offline .
And consider whether to back up your work and email offsite or on separate media : I 've actually been offered a return consulting job to come back and reconstruct work that I 'd done and they 'd deleted all source code for , as part of purging my old accounts .
Since I ; d been there as a corporate partner , and they tried to pay me under the table and not notify my company , I contacted our sales and legal departments .
It turned out they had n't paid six months of outstanding bills , and hiring me behind my company 's back would have been much cheaper for them and much more profitable for me , but would have left my employer with much less leverage to get paid.Fortunately for me , the key work I 'd done had actually already been submitted to the relevant open source project 's main codelines , so it was n't lost .
And they had n't noticed the explanations in my contract about what working on GPL tools nad publishing them to that client meant , that they were under GPL .
We actually managed to get them to cough up at least some of the backpay , mostly for explaining where to to get the updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's interesting that the manager showed up and seized the equipment without an opportunity for employees to clear personal data or office possessions.
That's pretty unusual.I've seen small companies closing their doors under different, but similarly awful circumstances.
(Power being cut, losing their network feed due to non-payment, unpaid-for equipment being seized, etc.
) An important rule for employees facing such troubles is to make sure you have all legal documents in off-site backup.
Follow your contracts, but make sure your payment records, stock information, signed contracts, etc.
are available offline.
And consider whether to back up your work and email offsite or on separate media: I've actually been offered a return consulting job to come back and reconstruct work that I'd done and they'd deleted all source code for, as part of purging my old accounts.
Since I;d been there as a corporate partner, and they tried to pay me under the table and not notify my company, I contacted our sales and legal departments.
It turned out they hadn't paid six months of outstanding bills, and hiring me behind my company's back would have been much cheaper for them and much more profitable for me, but would have left my employer with much less leverage to get paid.Fortunately for me, the key work I'd done had actually already been submitted to the relevant open source project's main codelines, so it wasn't lost.
And they hadn't noticed the explanations in my contract about what working on GPL tools nad publishing them to that client meant, that they were under GPL.
We actually managed to get them to cough up at least some of the backpay, mostly for explaining where to to get the updates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212388</id>
	<title>Okay easy way</title>
	<author>asamad</author>
	<datestamp>1266699360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do what the americans would do sue.  Sue in the australian courts for copyright ownership of all the material instead of payment.  Then sue him in the US when he goes to use said copyright material in the US, the game will never get published with out redoing all the work !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do what the americans would do sue .
Sue in the australian courts for copyright ownership of all the material instead of payment .
Then sue him in the US when he goes to use said copyright material in the US , the game will never get published with out redoing all the work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do what the americans would do sue.
Sue in the australian courts for copyright ownership of all the material instead of payment.
Then sue him in the US when he goes to use said copyright material in the US, the game will never get published with out redoing all the work !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31214688</id>
	<title>Re:CEOs are better people than we are</title>
	<author>rsborg</author>
	<datestamp>1266673320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you by chance belong to the organization known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Fellowship\_(Christian\_organization)" title="wikipedia.org">The Family</a> [wikipedia.org]?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you by chance belong to the organization known as The Family [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you by chance belong to the organization known as The Family [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31244624</id>
	<title>Re:What the...</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1266941160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>more like, the state of the wa police force.  if you're not speeding or doing a burnout, they don't give a fuck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>more like , the state of the wa police force .
if you 're not speeding or doing a burnout , they do n't give a fuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>more like, the state of the wa police force.
if you're not speeding or doing a burnout, they don't give a fuck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209306</id>
	<title>Making it tough for the rest of us</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266671340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This particular company was set up by some rather sneaky people who abused the good faith of the workers who put their effort in till the end in an unpaid fashion. Now they've left after breaking a bounty of tax/superannuation laws which leaves not only a trail of illegality but also financial liabilities to the workers which the government coffers will be (it's legislated to do so, not just a possibility) paying out for.</p><p>Thanks to this, the fledgling industry in Perth is going to be given even less assistance and opportunities from the government. As somebody living in the city who wants a stepping stone into the 'real deal' areas of the industry, it'll be very hard to transition from student to engine programmer over the next few years..</p><p>Basically, fuck Interzone management</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This particular company was set up by some rather sneaky people who abused the good faith of the workers who put their effort in till the end in an unpaid fashion .
Now they 've left after breaking a bounty of tax/superannuation laws which leaves not only a trail of illegality but also financial liabilities to the workers which the government coffers will be ( it 's legislated to do so , not just a possibility ) paying out for.Thanks to this , the fledgling industry in Perth is going to be given even less assistance and opportunities from the government .
As somebody living in the city who wants a stepping stone into the 'real deal ' areas of the industry , it 'll be very hard to transition from student to engine programmer over the next few years..Basically , fuck Interzone management</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This particular company was set up by some rather sneaky people who abused the good faith of the workers who put their effort in till the end in an unpaid fashion.
Now they've left after breaking a bounty of tax/superannuation laws which leaves not only a trail of illegality but also financial liabilities to the workers which the government coffers will be (it's legislated to do so, not just a possibility) paying out for.Thanks to this, the fledgling industry in Perth is going to be given even less assistance and opportunities from the government.
As somebody living in the city who wants a stepping stone into the 'real deal' areas of the industry, it'll be very hard to transition from student to engine programmer over the next few years..Basically, fuck Interzone management</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209574</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>toriver</author>
	<datestamp>1266675180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but if what the programmers and designers make is not a creative work but simply a work-for-hire industry product, how can copyright laws apply? They are there to protect artists and creators, not industry corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but if what the programmers and designers make is not a creative work but simply a work-for-hire industry product , how can copyright laws apply ?
They are there to protect artists and creators , not industry corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but if what the programmers and designers make is not a creative work but simply a work-for-hire industry product, how can copyright laws apply?
They are there to protect artists and creators, not industry corporations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212960</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Zey</author>
	<datestamp>1266659700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anonymous Coward writes:<blockquote><div><p>A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant [...]</p></div></blockquote><p>A true capitalist takes seed money from whoever is willing to offering it at the lowest price. Only a nitwit ideologue lets their personal prejudices get in the way of making money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anonymous Coward writes : A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant [ ... ] A true capitalist takes seed money from whoever is willing to offering it at the lowest price .
Only a nitwit ideologue lets their personal prejudices get in the way of making money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anonymous Coward writes:A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant [...]A true capitalist takes seed money from whoever is willing to offering it at the lowest price.
Only a nitwit ideologue lets their personal prejudices get in the way of making money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209690</id>
	<title>I applied for a job there once...</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1266676860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I applied for a job there once. I am glad I didn't end up with it otherwise there is a good chance I may have ended up in all this mess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I applied for a job there once .
I am glad I did n't end up with it otherwise there is a good chance I may have ended up in all this mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I applied for a job there once.
I am glad I didn't end up with it otherwise there is a good chance I may have ended up in all this mess.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210004</id>
	<title>in the us you can go to jail for workers go unpaid</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1266681480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the us you can go to jail for having your workers go unpaid and the IRS will also hunt your down for the unpaid tax.</p><p>This CEO needs to do some HARD TIME and not that easy lockup they have in australia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the us you can go to jail for having your workers go unpaid and the IRS will also hunt your down for the unpaid tax.This CEO needs to do some HARD TIME and not that easy lockup they have in australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the us you can go to jail for having your workers go unpaid and the IRS will also hunt your down for the unpaid tax.This CEO needs to do some HARD TIME and not that easy lockup they have in australia.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210876</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>NormalVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1266689640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant, nor would their workers continued working for no pay.</i> <br> <br>

Perhaps not, but he almost certainly would have hidden behind the government's apron by incorporating in order to keep his employees from holding him personally liable, even when his actions resulted in a loss for them.<br> <br>

It's laughable when people talk about "capitalism" but then still demand the government protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant , nor would their workers continued working for no pay .
Perhaps not , but he almost certainly would have hidden behind the government 's apron by incorporating in order to keep his employees from holding him personally liable , even when his actions resulted in a loss for them .
It 's laughable when people talk about " capitalism " but then still demand the government protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A true capitalist would not have started such a company off a government grant, nor would their workers continued working for no pay.
Perhaps not, but he almost certainly would have hidden behind the government's apron by incorporating in order to keep his employees from holding him personally liable, even when his actions resulted in a loss for them.
It's laughable when people talk about "capitalism" but then still demand the government protect them from the consequences of their own bad decisions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210324</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266684960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Here in the US, we've had entire industries do this to their<br>&gt; workers. It's called "free-market capitalism" writ large.<br><br>Umm, except for the part about never paying them a dime for hours they already worked.  The DOL would be all over them if they tried that one.<br><br>Moving the business overseas on short notice and leaving them all out of a job with no warning?  Yeah, that part's totally legal, assuming the workers were employed in the standard at-will fashion.  (Some workers do have contracts with their employers that disallow this, but that's a special case.)<br><br>But you do have to pay them for the hours they already worked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Here in the US , we 've had entire industries do this to their &gt; workers .
It 's called " free-market capitalism " writ large.Umm , except for the part about never paying them a dime for hours they already worked .
The DOL would be all over them if they tried that one.Moving the business overseas on short notice and leaving them all out of a job with no warning ?
Yeah , that part 's totally legal , assuming the workers were employed in the standard at-will fashion .
( Some workers do have contracts with their employers that disallow this , but that 's a special case .
) But you do have to pay them for the hours they already worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Here in the US, we've had entire industries do this to their&gt; workers.
It's called "free-market capitalism" writ large.Umm, except for the part about never paying them a dime for hours they already worked.
The DOL would be all over them if they tried that one.Moving the business overseas on short notice and leaving them all out of a job with no warning?
Yeah, that part's totally legal, assuming the workers were employed in the standard at-will fashion.
(Some workers do have contracts with their employers that disallow this, but that's a special case.
)But you do have to pay them for the hours they already worked.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211752</id>
	<title>Re:Other countries are interesting</title>
	<author>Akoman</author>
	<datestamp>1266695700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seeking an address for the executives or the office location for the American portion of the company. Would the Australian unit be interested in flying pickets?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeking an address for the executives or the office location for the American portion of the company .
Would the Australian unit be interested in flying pickets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeking an address for the executives or the office location for the American portion of the company.
Would the Australian unit be interested in flying pickets?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31221998</id>
	<title>They moved to Ireland? Bad move.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1266747660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The management moved to Ireland?  <a href="http://www.dilloneustace.ie/download/1/BankruptcyinIreland-AProcessBestAvoided.pdf" title="dilloneustace.ie">That's a bad place to go bankrupt,</a> [dilloneustace.ie] and a good place to sue creditors.  Ireland still has bankruptcy law left over from the days when English landlords ran the country.  Creditors can put a company or an individual into involuntary bankruptcy.  There's nothing like "debtor in possession" bankruptcy (US "Chapter 11") in Ireland.  Personal bankruptcy? The debtor may retain "such articles of clothing, household furniture, bedding, tools and equipment of his trade or profession or other necessities for himself, his wife, his children, and other dependent relatives living with him, as he may select, not exceeding in value EUR 3,175."
</p><p>
It gets worse.  Bankruptcies put individuals on a public blacklist.  Officers of companies that go bankrupt can't be officers of a company again.  Individuals can't get credit of more than EUR 630.
</p><p>
The employees need to get a judgment in Australia against the CEO, which shouldn't be hard since he fled the country with unpaid employees.  Then hire an <a href="http://www.eircollect.com/" title="eircollect.com">aggressive collection agency in Dublin.</a> [eircollect.com] ("100\% success rate for many clients. No collection, no fee.")  There are international collection agencies, such as Global Credit Solutions, with branches in 80 countries. They have offices in both Australia and Ireland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The management moved to Ireland ?
That 's a bad place to go bankrupt , [ dilloneustace.ie ] and a good place to sue creditors .
Ireland still has bankruptcy law left over from the days when English landlords ran the country .
Creditors can put a company or an individual into involuntary bankruptcy .
There 's nothing like " debtor in possession " bankruptcy ( US " Chapter 11 " ) in Ireland .
Personal bankruptcy ?
The debtor may retain " such articles of clothing , household furniture , bedding , tools and equipment of his trade or profession or other necessities for himself , his wife , his children , and other dependent relatives living with him , as he may select , not exceeding in value EUR 3,175 .
" It gets worse .
Bankruptcies put individuals on a public blacklist .
Officers of companies that go bankrupt ca n't be officers of a company again .
Individuals ca n't get credit of more than EUR 630 .
The employees need to get a judgment in Australia against the CEO , which should n't be hard since he fled the country with unpaid employees .
Then hire an aggressive collection agency in Dublin .
[ eircollect.com ] ( " 100 \ % success rate for many clients .
No collection , no fee .
" ) There are international collection agencies , such as Global Credit Solutions , with branches in 80 countries .
They have offices in both Australia and Ireland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The management moved to Ireland?
That's a bad place to go bankrupt, [dilloneustace.ie] and a good place to sue creditors.
Ireland still has bankruptcy law left over from the days when English landlords ran the country.
Creditors can put a company or an individual into involuntary bankruptcy.
There's nothing like "debtor in possession" bankruptcy (US "Chapter 11") in Ireland.
Personal bankruptcy?
The debtor may retain "such articles of clothing, household furniture, bedding, tools and equipment of his trade or profession or other necessities for himself, his wife, his children, and other dependent relatives living with him, as he may select, not exceeding in value EUR 3,175.
"

It gets worse.
Bankruptcies put individuals on a public blacklist.
Officers of companies that go bankrupt can't be officers of a company again.
Individuals can't get credit of more than EUR 630.
The employees need to get a judgment in Australia against the CEO, which shouldn't be hard since he fled the country with unpaid employees.
Then hire an aggressive collection agency in Dublin.
[eircollect.com] ("100\% success rate for many clients.
No collection, no fee.
")  There are international collection agencies, such as Global Credit Solutions, with branches in 80 countries.
They have offices in both Australia and Ireland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209248</id>
	<title>First to run and first to post.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266670380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First to run, first to post. Adios, muchachos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First to run , first to post .
Adios , muchachos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First to run, first to post.
Adios, muchachos.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209602</id>
	<title>Who will buy/distribute their game now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266675720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what consequences could be for this Futebol game they're producing. Do they have a distribution deal in place? If not, will they be able to get one after word of what they've done in Australia spreads? If the game does reach the shops, how many people who might have otherwise bought it might decide not to buy it on principle? How many shops might decide not to stock it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what consequences could be for this Futebol game they 're producing .
Do they have a distribution deal in place ?
If not , will they be able to get one after word of what they 've done in Australia spreads ?
If the game does reach the shops , how many people who might have otherwise bought it might decide not to buy it on principle ?
How many shops might decide not to stock it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what consequences could be for this Futebol game they're producing.
Do they have a distribution deal in place?
If not, will they be able to get one after word of what they've done in Australia spreads?
If the game does reach the shops, how many people who might have otherwise bought it might decide not to buy it on principle?
How many shops might decide not to stock it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31215614</id>
	<title>GEERS (all is not lost)</title>
	<author>Macfox</author>
	<datestamp>1266682380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sympathise with the employees. I went through a similar situation in 2007.</p><p>GEERS is your friend*, and the liquidator will help you with the information needed to complete your GEERS application. Unfortunately GEERS doesn't cover unpaid super and most companies in these circumstances just fail to pay super and accumulate fines for late super payments rather than the actual amount.</p><p>As the law currently stands it very simple for dodgy CEO's to thieve the IP and take operations overseas. The ATO and ASIC are either too slow, bogged down with redtape or just plain toothless.</p><p>The sad fact is CEO's/directors don't even need to move overseas. All you need to do is have a parent company overseas that the IP is assigned to. The local company then operates on the smell of an oily rag, runs up liabilities and even gets government RD grants/tax rebates. When creditors/employees come to collect, there's nothing, but a bit of office equipment and furniture. It's even possible to start a new company and then buy the salvaged office assets of the previous company and even trade from the very same office and the ATO and ASIC don't even batter an eye lid.</p><p>*As for GEERS and the liquidator, chase them ruthlessly. The department/program is biased to the liquidators findings. If there's incomplete, incorrect or absent employee entitlement records (as is often the case with poorly run companies), GEERS will not pay you a cent, if the liquidator can't provide support or evidence of he amounts. (I found out the hard way and lost 2 years AL)</p><p>All the best with your fight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sympathise with the employees .
I went through a similar situation in 2007.GEERS is your friend * , and the liquidator will help you with the information needed to complete your GEERS application .
Unfortunately GEERS does n't cover unpaid super and most companies in these circumstances just fail to pay super and accumulate fines for late super payments rather than the actual amount.As the law currently stands it very simple for dodgy CEO 's to thieve the IP and take operations overseas .
The ATO and ASIC are either too slow , bogged down with redtape or just plain toothless.The sad fact is CEO 's/directors do n't even need to move overseas .
All you need to do is have a parent company overseas that the IP is assigned to .
The local company then operates on the smell of an oily rag , runs up liabilities and even gets government RD grants/tax rebates .
When creditors/employees come to collect , there 's nothing , but a bit of office equipment and furniture .
It 's even possible to start a new company and then buy the salvaged office assets of the previous company and even trade from the very same office and the ATO and ASIC do n't even batter an eye lid .
* As for GEERS and the liquidator , chase them ruthlessly .
The department/program is biased to the liquidators findings .
If there 's incomplete , incorrect or absent employee entitlement records ( as is often the case with poorly run companies ) , GEERS will not pay you a cent , if the liquidator ca n't provide support or evidence of he amounts .
( I found out the hard way and lost 2 years AL ) All the best with your fight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sympathise with the employees.
I went through a similar situation in 2007.GEERS is your friend*, and the liquidator will help you with the information needed to complete your GEERS application.
Unfortunately GEERS doesn't cover unpaid super and most companies in these circumstances just fail to pay super and accumulate fines for late super payments rather than the actual amount.As the law currently stands it very simple for dodgy CEO's to thieve the IP and take operations overseas.
The ATO and ASIC are either too slow, bogged down with redtape or just plain toothless.The sad fact is CEO's/directors don't even need to move overseas.
All you need to do is have a parent company overseas that the IP is assigned to.
The local company then operates on the smell of an oily rag, runs up liabilities and even gets government RD grants/tax rebates.
When creditors/employees come to collect, there's nothing, but a bit of office equipment and furniture.
It's even possible to start a new company and then buy the salvaged office assets of the previous company and even trade from the very same office and the ATO and ASIC don't even batter an eye lid.
*As for GEERS and the liquidator, chase them ruthlessly.
The department/program is biased to the liquidators findings.
If there's incomplete, incorrect or absent employee entitlement records (as is often the case with poorly run companies), GEERS will not pay you a cent, if the liquidator can't provide support or evidence of he amounts.
(I found out the hard way and lost 2 years AL)All the best with your fight.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209310</id>
	<title>Re:Other countries are interesting</title>
	<author>fractoid</author>
	<datestamp>1266671340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Remember that it's not so bad to leave a country to do business elsewhere. When I worked in Naples, I would not get almost any pay. Yes, I was a kid and I was supposed to work for my father, but I wanted something off from it. If it doesn't work like you want to, you go somewhere where it does.</p></div><p>It IS so bad when you use a bunch of legal dodgery to take ownership of the IP while evading the millions of dollars of debt that you owe to the staff. It IS bad when you break a whole bunch of laws to get that IP out of the country, so you can start another studio in another country without actually paying what you owe to any of your employees. And (personal conjecture here) it IS bad when you will most likely you will do exactly the same to the new studio.
<br> <br>Disclaimer: IAAFIZE. I am a former IZ employee.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that it 's not so bad to leave a country to do business elsewhere .
When I worked in Naples , I would not get almost any pay .
Yes , I was a kid and I was supposed to work for my father , but I wanted something off from it .
If it does n't work like you want to , you go somewhere where it does.It IS so bad when you use a bunch of legal dodgery to take ownership of the IP while evading the millions of dollars of debt that you owe to the staff .
It IS bad when you break a whole bunch of laws to get that IP out of the country , so you can start another studio in another country without actually paying what you owe to any of your employees .
And ( personal conjecture here ) it IS bad when you will most likely you will do exactly the same to the new studio .
Disclaimer : IAAFIZE .
I am a former IZ employee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that it's not so bad to leave a country to do business elsewhere.
When I worked in Naples, I would not get almost any pay.
Yes, I was a kid and I was supposed to work for my father, but I wanted something off from it.
If it doesn't work like you want to, you go somewhere where it does.It IS so bad when you use a bunch of legal dodgery to take ownership of the IP while evading the millions of dollars of debt that you owe to the staff.
It IS bad when you break a whole bunch of laws to get that IP out of the country, so you can start another studio in another country without actually paying what you owe to any of your employees.
And (personal conjecture here) it IS bad when you will most likely you will do exactly the same to the new studio.
Disclaimer: IAAFIZE.
I am a former IZ employee.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210258</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266684300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, but the same contract that states this, is made void at the very moment that the contract(ee) fails to pay the contract(or).</p><p>Hence, the contract is void. The contractor is free to claim whatever damages they wish if the contractee has voided the contract.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , but the same contract that states this , is made void at the very moment that the contract ( ee ) fails to pay the contract ( or ) .Hence , the contract is void .
The contractor is free to claim whatever damages they wish if the contractee has voided the contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, but the same contract that states this, is made void at the very moment that the contract(ee) fails to pay the contract(or).Hence, the contract is void.
The contractor is free to claim whatever damages they wish if the contractee has voided the contract.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209708</id>
	<title>Re:Well, what do you know...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1266677100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That'll come in useful - if he ever moves there or Ireland gets admitted to the Union.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 'll come in useful - if he ever moves there or Ireland gets admitted to the Union .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That'll come in useful - if he ever moves there or Ireland gets admitted to the Union.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209396</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>fractoid</author>
	<datestamp>1266672480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually what he did is more along the lines of writing a cheque to Amazon for a CD they sell. Then sneaking into their offices at night, bullshitting the police into thinking you work for Amazon even though you don't, burning yourself a copy of the CD you bought, bullshitting the property owner into issuing an (illegal) order to all Amazon staff barring them from the city block around their building, and then flying home with your burned CD.
<br> <br>And then the cheque bounces.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually what he did is more along the lines of writing a cheque to Amazon for a CD they sell .
Then sneaking into their offices at night , bullshitting the police into thinking you work for Amazon even though you do n't , burning yourself a copy of the CD you bought , bullshitting the property owner into issuing an ( illegal ) order to all Amazon staff barring them from the city block around their building , and then flying home with your burned CD .
And then the cheque bounces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually what he did is more along the lines of writing a cheque to Amazon for a CD they sell.
Then sneaking into their offices at night, bullshitting the police into thinking you work for Amazon even though you don't, burning yourself a copy of the CD you bought, bullshitting the property owner into issuing an (illegal) order to all Amazon staff barring them from the city block around their building, and then flying home with your burned CD.
And then the cheque bounces.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210708</id>
	<title>How do you remove intellectual property?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266688380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you remove "IP" by night? "IP?"--like, intellectual property? You could remove code stored on a computer-readable storage medium, and the code could embody ideas that could be protected by IP . . . but "remove IP"? Eh??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you remove " IP " by night ?
" IP ? " --like , intellectual property ?
You could remove code stored on a computer-readable storage medium , and the code could embody ideas that could be protected by IP .
. .
but " remove IP " ?
Eh ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you remove "IP" by night?
"IP?"--like, intellectual property?
You could remove code stored on a computer-readable storage medium, and the code could embody ideas that could be protected by IP .
. .
but "remove IP"?
Eh??</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31216284</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>JackieBrown</author>
	<datestamp>1266689520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the employees should release their "copies" online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the employees should release their " copies " online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the employees should release their "copies" online.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209372</id>
	<title>Re:I know where the money is hidden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Marty, is that you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Marty , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marty, is that you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210620</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1266687480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hate to burst your corporate, free-market and capitalism-bashing bubble, but asking your employees to work for 18 months and then skipping town is illegal in the US.</p><p>Also I'm not sure how much sympathy I have for anyone whose paycheck for a full year and a half consisted entirely of hopes and dreams. Especially in game development, where these kinds of stories are a weekly event.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to burst your corporate , free-market and capitalism-bashing bubble , but asking your employees to work for 18 months and then skipping town is illegal in the US.Also I 'm not sure how much sympathy I have for anyone whose paycheck for a full year and a half consisted entirely of hopes and dreams .
Especially in game development , where these kinds of stories are a weekly event .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to burst your corporate, free-market and capitalism-bashing bubble, but asking your employees to work for 18 months and then skipping town is illegal in the US.Also I'm not sure how much sympathy I have for anyone whose paycheck for a full year and a half consisted entirely of hopes and dreams.
Especially in game development, where these kinds of stories are a weekly event.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209616</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209404</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, did he just make a copy? Sounds more like he stole servers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , did he just make a copy ?
Sounds more like he stole servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, did he just make a copy?
Sounds more like he stole servers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210248</id>
	<title>Re:Bunch of Asian Employees ?</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1266684240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Er I'm assuming this is a troll, but just in case anyone else doesn't realise, Australia has a reasonable number of ethnically east Asian people. As in &gt;10\% of the population (and closer to &gt;20\% in some urban areas).</p><p>Australia isn't technically in Asia, but its geographic proximity definitely affects the makeup of the population. Far more Asians per capita here than in the US, for instance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Er I 'm assuming this is a troll , but just in case anyone else does n't realise , Australia has a reasonable number of ethnically east Asian people .
As in &gt; 10 \ % of the population ( and closer to &gt; 20 \ % in some urban areas ) .Australia is n't technically in Asia , but its geographic proximity definitely affects the makeup of the population .
Far more Asians per capita here than in the US , for instance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er I'm assuming this is a troll, but just in case anyone else doesn't realise, Australia has a reasonable number of ethnically east Asian people.
As in &gt;10\% of the population (and closer to &gt;20\% in some urban areas).Australia isn't technically in Asia, but its geographic proximity definitely affects the makeup of the population.
Far more Asians per capita here than in the US, for instance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210346</id>
	<title>Re:CEOs are better people than we are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266685140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can talk like that when we nail a CEO to a cross.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can talk like that when we nail a CEO to a cross .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can talk like that when we nail a CEO to a cross.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209256</id>
	<title>Editors please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266670620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point of having editors is to fix the glaringly obvious errors and check sources.</p><p>"Cought"!</p><p>For crying out loud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point of having editors is to fix the glaringly obvious errors and check sources .
" Cought " ! For crying out loud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point of having editors is to fix the glaringly obvious errors and check sources.
"Cought"!For crying out loud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209610</id>
	<title>Nice!</title>
	<author>Pedrito</author>
	<datestamp>1266675780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm glad to see a CEO so devoted to getting his game out for the fans. Screw the developers. It's the fans that matter!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad to see a CEO so devoted to getting his game out for the fans .
Screw the developers .
It 's the fans that matter !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad to see a CEO so devoted to getting his game out for the fans.
Screw the developers.
It's the fans that matter!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31213256</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1266661860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this happen to non-professional unionised workers they would get the guys flight out of the country black banned by other unions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this happen to non-professional unionised workers they would get the guys flight out of the country black banned by other unions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this happen to non-professional unionised workers they would get the guys flight out of the country black banned by other unions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31217506</id>
	<title>Re:Trading while insolvent.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266755460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reality is, so few businesses that fold are pursued for insolvent trading when many of them are seemingly guilty of sometimes extremely brash offenses.  We're talking Gyms taking memberships up to COB on Friday and being gone on the Monday type of violation.  Nintek, another computer company from Perth spent a very long time taking people's money, giving constant excuses for long months without shipping many orders.  At some point, it's practical to say that they knew they were going down, but because nothing can be proven, ie, when they knew they were insolvent these things rarely see the courts.  As seems customary, the end is a quick grab of the final assets, don't tell the employees anything thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reality is , so few businesses that fold are pursued for insolvent trading when many of them are seemingly guilty of sometimes extremely brash offenses .
We 're talking Gyms taking memberships up to COB on Friday and being gone on the Monday type of violation .
Nintek , another computer company from Perth spent a very long time taking people 's money , giving constant excuses for long months without shipping many orders .
At some point , it 's practical to say that they knew they were going down , but because nothing can be proven , ie , when they knew they were insolvent these things rarely see the courts .
As seems customary , the end is a quick grab of the final assets , do n't tell the employees anything thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reality is, so few businesses that fold are pursued for insolvent trading when many of them are seemingly guilty of sometimes extremely brash offenses.
We're talking Gyms taking memberships up to COB on Friday and being gone on the Monday type of violation.
Nintek, another computer company from Perth spent a very long time taking people's money, giving constant excuses for long months without shipping many orders.
At some point, it's practical to say that they knew they were going down, but because nothing can be proven, ie, when they knew they were insolvent these things rarely see the courts.
As seems customary, the end is a quick grab of the final assets, don't tell the employees anything thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209876</id>
	<title>"takes"</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1266679620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, if hes the CEO, its legally his stuff. The employees work for the company and they don't normally have ownership rights of their work. Happens all the time when companies go under and restructure</p><p>Now, bailing out on their salaries, that's uncool and something to get upset over. ( but it also happens when companies go out of business...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if hes the CEO , its legally his stuff .
The employees work for the company and they do n't normally have ownership rights of their work .
Happens all the time when companies go under and restructureNow , bailing out on their salaries , that 's uncool and something to get upset over .
( but it also happens when companies go out of business... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if hes the CEO, its legally his stuff.
The employees work for the company and they don't normally have ownership rights of their work.
Happens all the time when companies go under and restructureNow, bailing out on their salaries, that's uncool and something to get upset over.
( but it also happens when companies go out of business...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210094</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Punctuated\_Equilibri</author>
	<datestamp>1266682320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Way to take one case, and generalize it to justify a vastly oversimplified view of how the system works.  These guys got screwed, but some early employees of Microsoft, Apple, Google etc ended up as millionaires.  That is the startup gamble.<p>

Mike Turner's actions will be judged through the legal system, that is also part of the system, it's like a checks and balances thing.</p><p>

You can bitch about the "free market" -- again that is just one component of something a lot more complicated.  But that is the dynamic bit that produces companies like MSFT, AAPL and GOOG.  If you don't like that, there is a huge government sector just waiting for you.</p><p>

I can't believe comments that have so little intellectual depth get modded +5 insightful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to take one case , and generalize it to justify a vastly oversimplified view of how the system works .
These guys got screwed , but some early employees of Microsoft , Apple , Google etc ended up as millionaires .
That is the startup gamble .
Mike Turner 's actions will be judged through the legal system , that is also part of the system , it 's like a checks and balances thing .
You can bitch about the " free market " -- again that is just one component of something a lot more complicated .
But that is the dynamic bit that produces companies like MSFT , AAPL and GOOG .
If you do n't like that , there is a huge government sector just waiting for you .
I ca n't believe comments that have so little intellectual depth get modded + 5 insightful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to take one case, and generalize it to justify a vastly oversimplified view of how the system works.
These guys got screwed, but some early employees of Microsoft, Apple, Google etc ended up as millionaires.
That is the startup gamble.
Mike Turner's actions will be judged through the legal system, that is also part of the system, it's like a checks and balances thing.
You can bitch about the "free market" -- again that is just one component of something a lot more complicated.
But that is the dynamic bit that produces companies like MSFT, AAPL and GOOG.
If you don't like that, there is a huge government sector just waiting for you.
I can't believe comments that have so little intellectual depth get modded +5 insightful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209290</id>
	<title>CEOs are better people than we are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A CEO may pay what His he wishes to His employees and take what He wants.<br>By His accumulation wealth, a CEO has demonstrated His worldly talent and divine favor. Far be it for us to criticize His actions: are we yet men, while He has a golden MBA? While we merely use our power of Speech, does the CEO not expand the language with outflowing of His prodigious mind? Does that not giveth unto him wisdom we know not, and authority we dare not assert?</p><p>We should open our hearts to the CEO. We shall work for Him all our waking hours and offer unto him our wives and daughters for His amusement: for we should be honored to have a radiant Being in our lives as the prime-most consideration.</p><p>Should we Fail, we deserve whatever punishment the CEO shall mete out for He, as he so frequently reminds us, is infallible. If a CEO's Company should fail, it is our fault for being indolent, and we shall bear that around our necks. All the remaining resources of a failed Company will go to its CEO as compensation for even attempting to deal with filty being like ourselves. Amen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A CEO may pay what His he wishes to His employees and take what He wants.By His accumulation wealth , a CEO has demonstrated His worldly talent and divine favor .
Far be it for us to criticize His actions : are we yet men , while He has a golden MBA ?
While we merely use our power of Speech , does the CEO not expand the language with outflowing of His prodigious mind ?
Does that not giveth unto him wisdom we know not , and authority we dare not assert ? We should open our hearts to the CEO .
We shall work for Him all our waking hours and offer unto him our wives and daughters for His amusement : for we should be honored to have a radiant Being in our lives as the prime-most consideration.Should we Fail , we deserve whatever punishment the CEO shall mete out for He , as he so frequently reminds us , is infallible .
If a CEO 's Company should fail , it is our fault for being indolent , and we shall bear that around our necks .
All the remaining resources of a failed Company will go to its CEO as compensation for even attempting to deal with filty being like ourselves .
Amen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A CEO may pay what His he wishes to His employees and take what He wants.By His accumulation wealth, a CEO has demonstrated His worldly talent and divine favor.
Far be it for us to criticize His actions: are we yet men, while He has a golden MBA?
While we merely use our power of Speech, does the CEO not expand the language with outflowing of His prodigious mind?
Does that not giveth unto him wisdom we know not, and authority we dare not assert?We should open our hearts to the CEO.
We shall work for Him all our waking hours and offer unto him our wives and daughters for His amusement: for we should be honored to have a radiant Being in our lives as the prime-most consideration.Should we Fail, we deserve whatever punishment the CEO shall mete out for He, as he so frequently reminds us, is infallible.
If a CEO's Company should fail, it is our fault for being indolent, and we shall bear that around our necks.
All the remaining resources of a failed Company will go to its CEO as compensation for even attempting to deal with filty being like ourselves.
Amen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209436</id>
	<title>He took more than a copy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266673260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; "He just made a copy, nothing was lost. It's not stealing."</p><p>That doesn't really apply when you take the computers, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; " He just made a copy , nothing was lost .
It 's not stealing .
" That does n't really apply when you take the computers , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; "He just made a copy, nothing was lost.
It's not stealing.
"That doesn't really apply when you take the computers, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209380</id>
	<title>Paybacks are a b1tch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So as soon as this jerk sets up shop in Ireland let's DDoS his ass.  I'm sure they are folks much more crafty than I who can whip up a devil's brew of Internet mayhem on his fat ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So as soon as this jerk sets up shop in Ireland let 's DDoS his ass .
I 'm sure they are folks much more crafty than I who can whip up a devil 's brew of Internet mayhem on his fat ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So as soon as this jerk sets up shop in Ireland let's DDoS his ass.
I'm sure they are folks much more crafty than I who can whip up a devil's brew of Internet mayhem on his fat ass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212646</id>
	<title>Theft?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266657720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you steal what you own?</p><p>Let me understand this . . . he is the ceo of a company.  The company makes a software product.  The CEO decides to take the IP from the staff in Australia, not pay them for the work, not pay the Australian tax man.  How is this theft again?</p><p>There is tax evasion issues for the Australia government.  There are creditor issues for the staff.</p><p>The staff owns nothing.  The staff, according to the articles, are due payment for their services, but they have no claim on the IP.</p><p>As crass as this sounds, the staff, upon learning of the tax issues and not getting paid, should have just left and filed a claim for pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you steal what you own ? Let me understand this .
. .
he is the ceo of a company .
The company makes a software product .
The CEO decides to take the IP from the staff in Australia , not pay them for the work , not pay the Australian tax man .
How is this theft again ? There is tax evasion issues for the Australia government .
There are creditor issues for the staff.The staff owns nothing .
The staff , according to the articles , are due payment for their services , but they have no claim on the IP.As crass as this sounds , the staff , upon learning of the tax issues and not getting paid , should have just left and filed a claim for pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you steal what you own?Let me understand this .
. .
he is the ceo of a company.
The company makes a software product.
The CEO decides to take the IP from the staff in Australia, not pay them for the work, not pay the Australian tax man.
How is this theft again?There is tax evasion issues for the Australia government.
There are creditor issues for the staff.The staff owns nothing.
The staff, according to the articles, are due payment for their services, but they have no claim on the IP.As crass as this sounds, the staff, upon learning of the tax issues and not getting paid, should have just left and filed a claim for pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31213924</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266667140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a computer programmer in Perth and I had a whole bunch of people trying to get me to interview for this place. I looked them up and then ran as fast as I could in the opposite direction. I'm glad to see that my instincts were good, though disheartened for all the people that have been screwed over by it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a computer programmer in Perth and I had a whole bunch of people trying to get me to interview for this place .
I looked them up and then ran as fast as I could in the opposite direction .
I 'm glad to see that my instincts were good , though disheartened for all the people that have been screwed over by it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a computer programmer in Perth and I had a whole bunch of people trying to get me to interview for this place.
I looked them up and then ran as fast as I could in the opposite direction.
I'm glad to see that my instincts were good, though disheartened for all the people that have been screwed over by it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209280</id>
	<title>Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266670980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a new poster child available for the "ConnivingBastard PrickManager" definition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a new poster child available for the " ConnivingBastard PrickManager " definition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a new poster child available for the "ConnivingBastard PrickManager" definition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209348</id>
	<title>Why he gets away with it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266671880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Assuming it's true) because people like this assume that most people are logical and aren't going to go postal on them so they can just walk in an do what they like. That's the price of civilization, you can bet he wouldnt've raided the office like this or cheated workers ouf of salaries if workers had reputations of smashing skulls in with bats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Assuming it 's true ) because people like this assume that most people are logical and are n't going to go postal on them so they can just walk in an do what they like .
That 's the price of civilization , you can bet he wouldnt 've raided the office like this or cheated workers ouf of salaries if workers had reputations of smashing skulls in with bats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Assuming it's true) because people like this assume that most people are logical and aren't going to go postal on them so they can just walk in an do what they like.
That's the price of civilization, you can bet he wouldnt've raided the office like this or cheated workers ouf of salaries if workers had reputations of smashing skulls in with bats.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209866</id>
	<title>Re:Other countries are interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266679560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's comparing software you have to pay for (MS) with freeware (Linux). When did<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. get so dense?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's comparing software you have to pay for ( MS ) with freeware ( Linux ) .
When did / .
get so dense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's comparing software you have to pay for (MS) with freeware (Linux).
When did /.
get so dense?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31244386</id>
	<title>Re:Bunch of Asian Employees ?</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1266939960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't have locally born asian people who are good at math(s - with the S on the end as used by civilised nations) and computer science?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have locally born asian people who are good at math ( s - with the S on the end as used by civilised nations ) and computer science ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have locally born asian people who are good at math(s - with the S on the end as used by civilised nations) and computer science?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209276</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209498</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266674160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He took out the servers, that's not copying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He took out the servers , that 's not copying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He took out the servers, that's not copying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210642</id>
	<title>Re:What the...</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1266687720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>

Is this sort of thing legal?

Oh wait. Yeah, I guess not.
</i> <br> <br>
In one of the supplied links (video clip) there is a police car in the background. Given that the plods didn't lift a finger to stop this guy, that says everything we need to know about the state of our legal system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this sort of thing legal ?
Oh wait .
Yeah , I guess not .
In one of the supplied links ( video clip ) there is a police car in the background .
Given that the plods did n't lift a finger to stop this guy , that says everything we need to know about the state of our legal system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

Is this sort of thing legal?
Oh wait.
Yeah, I guess not.
In one of the supplied links (video clip) there is a police car in the background.
Given that the plods didn't lift a finger to stop this guy, that says everything we need to know about the state of our legal system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31216088</id>
	<title>Re:There is much more to this than the Summary sta</title>
	<author>gronofer</author>
	<datestamp>1266687540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Originally Interzone was given a grant by the Western Australian goverment of $500k, so this has blown up very big on the news there,</p></div><p>The Western Australian government deserves what it gets, if it can't figure out how to make its state an attractive place to do business and needs to resort to this kind of payoff.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Originally Interzone was given a grant by the Western Australian goverment of $ 500k , so this has blown up very big on the news there,The Western Australian government deserves what it gets , if it ca n't figure out how to make its state an attractive place to do business and needs to resort to this kind of payoff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Originally Interzone was given a grant by the Western Australian goverment of $500k, so this has blown up very big on the news there,The Western Australian government deserves what it gets, if it can't figure out how to make its state an attractive place to do business and needs to resort to this kind of payoff.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209400</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31215986</id>
	<title>Post the code on the net</title>
	<author>akayani</author>
	<datestamp>1266686580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>May as well fuck them and post all the code on the net. Use what's been done here to start a company owned here. Questionable what IP they own when people haven't been paid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>May as well fuck them and post all the code on the net .
Use what 's been done here to start a company owned here .
Questionable what IP they own when people have n't been paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May as well fuck them and post all the code on the net.
Use what's been done here to start a company owned here.
Questionable what IP they own when people haven't been paid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31212898</id>
	<title>Black Friday</title>
	<author>md65536</author>
	<datestamp>1266659280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Michael: What's all this?<br>George Sr.: Computer stuff from the office.<br>Michael: No, no, no, no, pop. You're not doing another one of those Black Fridays, are you? The mass firings?<br>Narrator: Before firing his employees, George Sr. would be sure to clear the office of its valuables.<br>Ted: So when do we get to see our fancy new offices?<br>George Sr.: [closing the truck door] When you get your fancy new jobs. You're all fired.<br>Narrator: The employees never saw it coming, although their first task was to unload their equipment from a truck.<br>George Sr.: No, it's not black Friday although I did enjoy those.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Michael : What 's all this ? George Sr. : Computer stuff from the office.Michael : No , no , no , no , pop .
You 're not doing another one of those Black Fridays , are you ?
The mass firings ? Narrator : Before firing his employees , George Sr. would be sure to clear the office of its valuables.Ted : So when do we get to see our fancy new offices ? George Sr. : [ closing the truck door ] When you get your fancy new jobs .
You 're all fired.Narrator : The employees never saw it coming , although their first task was to unload their equipment from a truck.George Sr. : No , it 's not black Friday although I did enjoy those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Michael: What's all this?George Sr.: Computer stuff from the office.Michael: No, no, no, no, pop.
You're not doing another one of those Black Fridays, are you?
The mass firings?Narrator: Before firing his employees, George Sr. would be sure to clear the office of its valuables.Ted: So when do we get to see our fancy new offices?George Sr.: [closing the truck door] When you get your fancy new jobs.
You're all fired.Narrator: The employees never saw it coming, although their first task was to unload their equipment from a truck.George Sr.: No, it's not black Friday although I did enjoy those.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210082</id>
	<title>Re:There is much more to this than the Summary sta</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1266682200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So how did it turn out at those other firms?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So how did it turn out at those other firms ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how did it turn out at those other firms?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211338</id>
	<title>CEO?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266693540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a pedantic side note: Mike Turner's not the CEO, he's the "VP of Business Development".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a pedantic side note : Mike Turner 's not the CEO , he 's the " VP of Business Development " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a pedantic side note: Mike Turner's not the CEO, he's the "VP of Business Development".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209678</id>
	<title>Hard Luck</title>
	<author>BlackHawk-666</author>
	<datestamp>1266676800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hard luck there for all the people who just got scammed by a run of the mill business asshole. My theory is that they are all lying assholes, each and every one of them, and if you keep that in mind you'll find your dealings with them go much better. Just remind yourself as they speak that every word is carefully selected to make them richer.</p><p>Big tip - the day you find your pay hasn't gone into your account is the day you hit jobsearch.com or call your agent and let them know you're looking for paid work.</p><p>The business's responsibility is to ensure there is enough cash set aside against bad luck/planning/weather and enough cash flow coming through to ensure projects get completed. It's *their* responsibility, not yours...you write code, or run tests, answer the phones. If they've f*ed up enough to not have the money to even pay the people who write the product, then you have to wonder how else they are screwing up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard luck there for all the people who just got scammed by a run of the mill business asshole .
My theory is that they are all lying assholes , each and every one of them , and if you keep that in mind you 'll find your dealings with them go much better .
Just remind yourself as they speak that every word is carefully selected to make them richer.Big tip - the day you find your pay has n't gone into your account is the day you hit jobsearch.com or call your agent and let them know you 're looking for paid work.The business 's responsibility is to ensure there is enough cash set aside against bad luck/planning/weather and enough cash flow coming through to ensure projects get completed .
It 's * their * responsibility , not yours...you write code , or run tests , answer the phones .
If they 've f * ed up enough to not have the money to even pay the people who write the product , then you have to wonder how else they are screwing up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard luck there for all the people who just got scammed by a run of the mill business asshole.
My theory is that they are all lying assholes, each and every one of them, and if you keep that in mind you'll find your dealings with them go much better.
Just remind yourself as they speak that every word is carefully selected to make them richer.Big tip - the day you find your pay hasn't gone into your account is the day you hit jobsearch.com or call your agent and let them know you're looking for paid work.The business's responsibility is to ensure there is enough cash set aside against bad luck/planning/weather and enough cash flow coming through to ensure projects get completed.
It's *their* responsibility, not yours...you write code, or run tests, answer the phones.
If they've f*ed up enough to not have the money to even pay the people who write the product, then you have to wonder how else they are screwing up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210616</id>
	<title>legal</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1266687480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could be mostly legal, the servers may have always been owned by the parent company and leased back to the Australian subsidiary. The IP very likely was also never owned by the Australian firm.  If the subsidiary did hold assets I expect the parent company had security over them, so if they had loaned the subsidiary money then in the event of being wound up they take control of the assets. Lying to creditors/employees on the other hand, well there's a mess there but it's probably wrongful trading etc on the part of the subsidiary's directors while the parent's may or may not have known.</p><p>It will be up to the administrator to find out if there is anything to be done, and the employees, in their position as creditors, should be applying their pressure on him. The company may have knowingly traded whilst insolvent in which case the directors may be charged with wrongful trading, and potentially be personally liable for debts. The nature of the relationship with the parent company and related transactions may also offer some scope - it's not unheard of for courts to lift the veil and treat parent &amp; subsidiary undertakings as one entity. Furthermore he may well be able to show the parent acted as a shadow director. There is room for some optimism here for two reasons, firstly a "million dollar tax bill" implies profits (though it may be tax on salaries that hasn't been paid over). Secondly the government grant should have all sorts of covenants, you have to be an utterly incompetent complete idiot to grant or loan money to any subsidiary and not enforce appropriate covenants and security over the parent company.</p><p>While I sympathise with the employees, there were lots of things they could have done, and given the amounts they should have taken some advice. Sure, in start-ups it's not uncommon for employees to give some leeway and "muck in". But this is a subsidiary! Why do this if there is a parent with money? Secondly, if you're a creditor, act like one. Take a look at the accounts, check for assets and file security over them. Negotiate for some equity - if they had just 20\% between them minority protections kick in. An accountant probably would have given them this advice for free if they suggested that some audit fees might be coming their way later on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could be mostly legal , the servers may have always been owned by the parent company and leased back to the Australian subsidiary .
The IP very likely was also never owned by the Australian firm .
If the subsidiary did hold assets I expect the parent company had security over them , so if they had loaned the subsidiary money then in the event of being wound up they take control of the assets .
Lying to creditors/employees on the other hand , well there 's a mess there but it 's probably wrongful trading etc on the part of the subsidiary 's directors while the parent 's may or may not have known.It will be up to the administrator to find out if there is anything to be done , and the employees , in their position as creditors , should be applying their pressure on him .
The company may have knowingly traded whilst insolvent in which case the directors may be charged with wrongful trading , and potentially be personally liable for debts .
The nature of the relationship with the parent company and related transactions may also offer some scope - it 's not unheard of for courts to lift the veil and treat parent &amp; subsidiary undertakings as one entity .
Furthermore he may well be able to show the parent acted as a shadow director .
There is room for some optimism here for two reasons , firstly a " million dollar tax bill " implies profits ( though it may be tax on salaries that has n't been paid over ) .
Secondly the government grant should have all sorts of covenants , you have to be an utterly incompetent complete idiot to grant or loan money to any subsidiary and not enforce appropriate covenants and security over the parent company.While I sympathise with the employees , there were lots of things they could have done , and given the amounts they should have taken some advice .
Sure , in start-ups it 's not uncommon for employees to give some leeway and " muck in " .
But this is a subsidiary !
Why do this if there is a parent with money ?
Secondly , if you 're a creditor , act like one .
Take a look at the accounts , check for assets and file security over them .
Negotiate for some equity - if they had just 20 \ % between them minority protections kick in .
An accountant probably would have given them this advice for free if they suggested that some audit fees might be coming their way later on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could be mostly legal, the servers may have always been owned by the parent company and leased back to the Australian subsidiary.
The IP very likely was also never owned by the Australian firm.
If the subsidiary did hold assets I expect the parent company had security over them, so if they had loaned the subsidiary money then in the event of being wound up they take control of the assets.
Lying to creditors/employees on the other hand, well there's a mess there but it's probably wrongful trading etc on the part of the subsidiary's directors while the parent's may or may not have known.It will be up to the administrator to find out if there is anything to be done, and the employees, in their position as creditors, should be applying their pressure on him.
The company may have knowingly traded whilst insolvent in which case the directors may be charged with wrongful trading, and potentially be personally liable for debts.
The nature of the relationship with the parent company and related transactions may also offer some scope - it's not unheard of for courts to lift the veil and treat parent &amp; subsidiary undertakings as one entity.
Furthermore he may well be able to show the parent acted as a shadow director.
There is room for some optimism here for two reasons, firstly a "million dollar tax bill" implies profits (though it may be tax on salaries that hasn't been paid over).
Secondly the government grant should have all sorts of covenants, you have to be an utterly incompetent complete idiot to grant or loan money to any subsidiary and not enforce appropriate covenants and security over the parent company.While I sympathise with the employees, there were lots of things they could have done, and given the amounts they should have taken some advice.
Sure, in start-ups it's not uncommon for employees to give some leeway and "muck in".
But this is a subsidiary!
Why do this if there is a parent with money?
Secondly, if you're a creditor, act like one.
Take a look at the accounts, check for assets and file security over them.
Negotiate for some equity - if they had just 20\% between them minority protections kick in.
An accountant probably would have given them this advice for free if they suggested that some audit fees might be coming their way later on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209230</id>
	<title>Other countries are interesting</title>
	<author>PizzaAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1266669960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember that it's not so bad to leave a country to do business elsewhere. When I worked in Naples, I would not get almost any pay. Yes, I was a kid and I was supposed to work for my father, but I wanted something off from it. If it doesn't work like you want to, you go somewhere where it does.<br>
<br>
Not that it wouldn't be good - Me myself and customers loved great good crust with beautiful cheese, bacon, tomato, ham and barbeque sauce on top of it. And with Mountain Dew. But our counsin had his pizzeria just next to ours - he stole customers from us and we had to fight to fight.<br>
<br>
This lead me to escape to America. In the beginning of 90's I started my own pizza place in the Manhattan. It was great time - customers rolled in, were happy and just loved what I baked. But the competition came there too - there was thousands of cheapo kebab/pizza places that offered substandard pizzas to customers with lower prices.<br>
<br>
I tried to fight - I tried to it with quality. I tried having free beers and hookers. But people just went to the cheap pizza places. How am I supposed to work with that?<br>
<br>
Actually I'm asking slashdot. How I am supposed to fight the cheapo crappy pizza places when I offer quality pizzas? Does it matter to keep quality? What you love about pizza?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember that it 's not so bad to leave a country to do business elsewhere .
When I worked in Naples , I would not get almost any pay .
Yes , I was a kid and I was supposed to work for my father , but I wanted something off from it .
If it does n't work like you want to , you go somewhere where it does .
Not that it would n't be good - Me myself and customers loved great good crust with beautiful cheese , bacon , tomato , ham and barbeque sauce on top of it .
And with Mountain Dew .
But our counsin had his pizzeria just next to ours - he stole customers from us and we had to fight to fight .
This lead me to escape to America .
In the beginning of 90 's I started my own pizza place in the Manhattan .
It was great time - customers rolled in , were happy and just loved what I baked .
But the competition came there too - there was thousands of cheapo kebab/pizza places that offered substandard pizzas to customers with lower prices .
I tried to fight - I tried to it with quality .
I tried having free beers and hookers .
But people just went to the cheap pizza places .
How am I supposed to work with that ?
Actually I 'm asking slashdot .
How I am supposed to fight the cheapo crappy pizza places when I offer quality pizzas ?
Does it matter to keep quality ?
What you love about pizza ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember that it's not so bad to leave a country to do business elsewhere.
When I worked in Naples, I would not get almost any pay.
Yes, I was a kid and I was supposed to work for my father, but I wanted something off from it.
If it doesn't work like you want to, you go somewhere where it does.
Not that it wouldn't be good - Me myself and customers loved great good crust with beautiful cheese, bacon, tomato, ham and barbeque sauce on top of it.
And with Mountain Dew.
But our counsin had his pizzeria just next to ours - he stole customers from us and we had to fight to fight.
This lead me to escape to America.
In the beginning of 90's I started my own pizza place in the Manhattan.
It was great time - customers rolled in, were happy and just loved what I baked.
But the competition came there too - there was thousands of cheapo kebab/pizza places that offered substandard pizzas to customers with lower prices.
I tried to fight - I tried to it with quality.
I tried having free beers and hookers.
But people just went to the cheap pizza places.
How am I supposed to work with that?
Actually I'm asking slashdot.
How I am supposed to fight the cheapo crappy pizza places when I offer quality pizzas?
Does it matter to keep quality?
What you love about pizza?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31211186</id>
	<title>Re:CEOs are better people than we are</title>
	<author>MMC Monster</author>
	<datestamp>1266692220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why stop at one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why stop at one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why stop at one?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210346</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209874</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>mr exploiter</author>
	<datestamp>1266679620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is offtopic but even if he only copied the IP and runned from the country... why no this could be a worse crime that stealing? I think this is some kink of obsession with the word "stealing", after all, it's clearly not the worst crime one can do: "murder" "rape" "torture" are clearly worse. </p><p>Anyway, I don't think not all cases of IP infringement are the same. Copying one CD can cause at the most a damage to the copyright holder equal to the CD cost. Copying the source code from a product and using that to establish a competing company can cause enormous damage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is offtopic but even if he only copied the IP and runned from the country... why no this could be a worse crime that stealing ?
I think this is some kink of obsession with the word " stealing " , after all , it 's clearly not the worst crime one can do : " murder " " rape " " torture " are clearly worse .
Anyway , I do n't think not all cases of IP infringement are the same .
Copying one CD can cause at the most a damage to the copyright holder equal to the CD cost .
Copying the source code from a product and using that to establish a competing company can cause enormous damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is offtopic but even if he only copied the IP and runned from the country... why no this could be a worse crime that stealing?
I think this is some kink of obsession with the word "stealing", after all, it's clearly not the worst crime one can do: "murder" "rape" "torture" are clearly worse.
Anyway, I don't think not all cases of IP infringement are the same.
Copying one CD can cause at the most a damage to the copyright holder equal to the CD cost.
Copying the source code from a product and using that to establish a competing company can cause enormous damage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209896</id>
	<title>Re:A previous quote seen here on slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266679740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Actually, the way I see it, the quote is completely right, even in this case.</p><p>The "IP" is irrelevant. The employees are owed for the time they worked, and nothing more..</p></div><p>Yes, and if you try and pull a stunt like that on when you're having an automobile repaired, you'll discover what a Mechanic's Lien is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the way I see it , the quote is completely right , even in this case.The " IP " is irrelevant .
The employees are owed for the time they worked , and nothing more..Yes , and if you try and pull a stunt like that on when you 're having an automobile repaired , you 'll discover what a Mechanic 's Lien is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the way I see it, the quote is completely right, even in this case.The "IP" is irrelevant.
The employees are owed for the time they worked, and nothing more..Yes, and if you try and pull a stunt like that on when you're having an automobile repaired, you'll discover what a Mechanic's Lien is.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31210464</id>
	<title>Offsite backups?</title>
	<author>jschen</author>
	<datestamp>1266686220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In many technology companies (not just software, but also other fields, such as biotech), a company's main value lies in IP. Therefore, IP has to be carefully protected. Where are their offsite backups? This project appears to be a sinking ship anyways (lack of pay should be a hint), but what if they had lost everything in their building (regardless of cause) during a more successful phase? How quickly would they be able to get back up and running?</htmltext>
<tokenext>In many technology companies ( not just software , but also other fields , such as biotech ) , a company 's main value lies in IP .
Therefore , IP has to be carefully protected .
Where are their offsite backups ?
This project appears to be a sinking ship anyways ( lack of pay should be a hint ) , but what if they had lost everything in their building ( regardless of cause ) during a more successful phase ?
How quickly would they be able to get back up and running ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In many technology companies (not just software, but also other fields, such as biotech), a company's main value lies in IP.
Therefore, IP has to be carefully protected.
Where are their offsite backups?
This project appears to be a sinking ship anyways (lack of pay should be a hint), but what if they had lost everything in their building (regardless of cause) during a more successful phase?
How quickly would they be able to get back up and running?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209410</id>
	<title>Trading while insolvent.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266672660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this guy is a director and knowingly traded while insolvent / unable to pay the bills, he's looking at five years in prison. Once ASIC gets done, the ATO will start looking at tax issues. This guy is going to be a bureaucrat chew toy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this guy is a director and knowingly traded while insolvent / unable to pay the bills , he 's looking at five years in prison .
Once ASIC gets done , the ATO will start looking at tax issues .
This guy is going to be a bureaucrat chew toy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this guy is a director and knowingly traded while insolvent / unable to pay the bills, he's looking at five years in prison.
Once ASIC gets done, the ATO will start looking at tax issues.
This guy is going to be a bureaucrat chew toy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31209346</id>
	<title>Dr Siktastik</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266671880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a real shame the way he left, however Australia&rsquo;s extradition agreements with the US and Ireland are in good shape and the ATO is quite unrelenting. It will take time but I would expect to see this guy come to justice.</p><p>It does make a lot of sense however (moving the company), Irelands corporate tax rates are below 1/2 what Australia&rsquo;s are. Aussie politicians always say what a great place Australia is to do business but globally, for anything but mining it's very uncompetitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a real shame the way he left , however Australia    s extradition agreements with the US and Ireland are in good shape and the ATO is quite unrelenting .
It will take time but I would expect to see this guy come to justice.It does make a lot of sense however ( moving the company ) , Irelands corporate tax rates are below 1/2 what Australia    s are .
Aussie politicians always say what a great place Australia is to do business but globally , for anything but mining it 's very uncompetitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a real shame the way he left, however Australia’s extradition agreements with the US and Ireland are in good shape and the ATO is quite unrelenting.
It will take time but I would expect to see this guy come to justice.It does make a lot of sense however (moving the company), Irelands corporate tax rates are below 1/2 what Australia’s are.
Aussie politicians always say what a great place Australia is to do business but globally, for anything but mining it's very uncompetitive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_20_0954226.31215048</id>
	<title>Re:Call wikipedia</title>
	<author>TikiTDO</author>
	<datestamp>1266676740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This article is not about the US, so as much as the US supports this so called "free-market capitalism", some of the actions described in the article are against the law in Australia. So I will have to respectfully disagree, and say this is indeed a very big deal.</p><p>The assumption that is it accepted in the US, and thus must be accepted anywhere is certainly not sound. I imagine this will not end too well for this company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is not about the US , so as much as the US supports this so called " free-market capitalism " , some of the actions described in the article are against the law in Australia .
So I will have to respectfully disagree , and say this is indeed a very big deal.The assumption that is it accepted in the US , and thus must be accepted anywhere is certainly not sound .
I imagine this will not end too well for this company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is not about the US, so as much as the US supports this so called "free-market capitalism", some of the actions described in the article are against the law in Australia.
So I will have to respectfully disagree, and say this is indeed a very big deal.The assumption that is it accepted in the US, and thus must be accepted anywhere is certainly not sound.
I imagine this will not end too well for this company.</sentencetext>
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