<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_2031207</id>
	<title>The Blind Shall See Again, But When?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266568380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Restoring hearing with <a href="http://bit.ly/aELT5n">cochlea implants</a> that replace the inner ear with an electronic version has become standard procedure for many types of deafness. Now it looks like the same thing might happen for many types of blindness. With five national labs funded by the Department of Energy, this <a href="http://bit.ly/aNFJwV">third-generation artificial retina</a> promises to enable the blind to see again soon. Already it has been successful in over a dozen test patients, but at resolutions too low for doing much more than proving the concept. However, if the DoE can perfect this larger version of an artificial retina, then the company <a href="http://www.2-sight.com/">Second Sight</a> promises to commercialize the implant, aiming for VGA resolution within the decade."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Restoring hearing with cochlea implants that replace the inner ear with an electronic version has become standard procedure for many types of deafness .
Now it looks like the same thing might happen for many types of blindness .
With five national labs funded by the Department of Energy , this third-generation artificial retina promises to enable the blind to see again soon .
Already it has been successful in over a dozen test patients , but at resolutions too low for doing much more than proving the concept .
However , if the DoE can perfect this larger version of an artificial retina , then the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implant , aiming for VGA resolution within the decade .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Restoring hearing with cochlea implants that replace the inner ear with an electronic version has become standard procedure for many types of deafness.
Now it looks like the same thing might happen for many types of blindness.
With five national labs funded by the Department of Energy, this third-generation artificial retina promises to enable the blind to see again soon.
Already it has been successful in over a dozen test patients, but at resolutions too low for doing much more than proving the concept.
However, if the DoE can perfect this larger version of an artificial retina, then the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implant, aiming for VGA resolution within the decade.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31209406</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>smartsight</author>
	<datestamp>1266672600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good points, John. There is still a long way to go for visual prostheses to become usable, convenient and safe options even for totally blind people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good points , John .
There is still a long way to go for visual prostheses to become usable , convenient and safe options even for totally blind people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good points, John.
There is still a long way to go for visual prostheses to become usable, convenient and safe options even for totally blind people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206234</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266584460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>or just dumped the whole range onto the optic nerve somehow, leaving it to the brain to sort out. Neither explanation has sounded right.</i></p><p>This is how real implants work...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or just dumped the whole range onto the optic nerve somehow , leaving it to the brain to sort out .
Neither explanation has sounded right.This is how real implants work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or just dumped the whole range onto the optic nerve somehow, leaving it to the brain to sort out.
Neither explanation has sounded right.This is how real implants work...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206080</id>
	<title>Re:URL Shorteners</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266583560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's because if an article gets submitted with a bad TFS, you end up being unable to resubmit the same link.  So URL shorteners to the rescue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because if an article gets submitted with a bad TFS , you end up being unable to resubmit the same link .
So URL shorteners to the rescue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because if an article gets submitted with a bad TFS, you end up being unable to resubmit the same link.
So URL shorteners to the rescue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31207050</id>
	<title>Re:Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>jsupreston</author>
	<datestamp>1266592860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is exactly my problem. With glasses, I am 20/200 in one eye due to a birth defect. It was easy to fix even in the early '70's, but my family didn't have the money for such a surgery. Now, I could have the surgery, but due to over 35 years of atrophy, my optic nerve in that eye is all but dead. That being said, if it were possible to even give me enough sight in that eye to be able to tell more than light from dark, I'd try the surgery.

Just for reference, I can make out large shapes (such as human bodies) at about 3'. I can read 2" tall text a letter at a time from a distance of about 1". Anything more than that is impossible for me at this time. At least my other eye is 20/20 corrected. Without glasses, my "good" eye is 20/200 with the bad eye off the chart low.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is exactly my problem .
With glasses , I am 20/200 in one eye due to a birth defect .
It was easy to fix even in the early '70 's , but my family did n't have the money for such a surgery .
Now , I could have the surgery , but due to over 35 years of atrophy , my optic nerve in that eye is all but dead .
That being said , if it were possible to even give me enough sight in that eye to be able to tell more than light from dark , I 'd try the surgery .
Just for reference , I can make out large shapes ( such as human bodies ) at about 3' .
I can read 2 " tall text a letter at a time from a distance of about 1 " .
Anything more than that is impossible for me at this time .
At least my other eye is 20/20 corrected .
Without glasses , my " good " eye is 20/200 with the bad eye off the chart low .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is exactly my problem.
With glasses, I am 20/200 in one eye due to a birth defect.
It was easy to fix even in the early '70's, but my family didn't have the money for such a surgery.
Now, I could have the surgery, but due to over 35 years of atrophy, my optic nerve in that eye is all but dead.
That being said, if it were possible to even give me enough sight in that eye to be able to tell more than light from dark, I'd try the surgery.
Just for reference, I can make out large shapes (such as human bodies) at about 3'.
I can read 2" tall text a letter at a time from a distance of about 1".
Anything more than that is impossible for me at this time.
At least my other eye is 20/20 corrected.
Without glasses, my "good" eye is 20/200 with the bad eye off the chart low.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204598</id>
	<title>Re:For the visually-impaired computer user...</title>
	<author>ipquickly</author>
	<datestamp>1266576120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Try working on a VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort/whatever input, too. Bypass monitors altogether.</p></div><p>Previous story:<i>2010 -- the Year AACS and HDMI Kill Off HD Component Video</i></p><p>Future story:<i>2022 - the Year 'BioDMI' Kills Off Analog Theatres and Viewscreens</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try working on a VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort/whatever input , too .
Bypass monitors altogether.Previous story : 2010 -- the Year AACS and HDMI Kill Off HD Component VideoFuture story : 2022 - the Year 'BioDMI ' Kills Off Analog Theatres and Viewscreens</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try working on a VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort/whatever input, too.
Bypass monitors altogether.Previous story:2010 -- the Year AACS and HDMI Kill Off HD Component VideoFuture story:2022 - the Year 'BioDMI' Kills Off Analog Theatres and Viewscreens
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206678</id>
	<title>Re:But cochlear implants are oversold...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266588360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This post and your other posts make you look like one of those odd anti-hearing types.</p><p>Your problem is that you think that people who say "not being able to hear is bad" is the same thing as saying "deaf people are bad". Uh, no.</p><p>&gt; It might well be completely different, because blind people can speak and understand spoken language, so they don't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they don't have the chance to learn a full language.</p><p>Hmm? Actually, people who are blind at the wrong point in their brain development are never able to fully use their vision if it's restored later. They can see, but the pattern recognition wiring is missing; they have an incredibly hard time actually using the ability to see. Likewise, those who lose their hearing after a certain critical point and regain some of it later can adapt to use the regained hearing, but those who didn't have the ability to hear during brain development have a lot of trouble later.</p><p>So you're basically promoting a false dichotomy by painting it as an either/or spoken/signed choice. The alternative isn't "learn no language and be rendered a cripple", the alternative is "learn what you can, but if surgery will work get that as young as possible".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This post and your other posts make you look like one of those odd anti-hearing types.Your problem is that you think that people who say " not being able to hear is bad " is the same thing as saying " deaf people are bad " .
Uh , no. &gt; It might well be completely different , because blind people can speak and understand spoken language , so they do n't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they do n't have the chance to learn a full language.Hmm ?
Actually , people who are blind at the wrong point in their brain development are never able to fully use their vision if it 's restored later .
They can see , but the pattern recognition wiring is missing ; they have an incredibly hard time actually using the ability to see .
Likewise , those who lose their hearing after a certain critical point and regain some of it later can adapt to use the regained hearing , but those who did n't have the ability to hear during brain development have a lot of trouble later.So you 're basically promoting a false dichotomy by painting it as an either/or spoken/signed choice .
The alternative is n't " learn no language and be rendered a cripple " , the alternative is " learn what you can , but if surgery will work get that as young as possible " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post and your other posts make you look like one of those odd anti-hearing types.Your problem is that you think that people who say "not being able to hear is bad" is the same thing as saying "deaf people are bad".
Uh, no.&gt; It might well be completely different, because blind people can speak and understand spoken language, so they don't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they don't have the chance to learn a full language.Hmm?
Actually, people who are blind at the wrong point in their brain development are never able to fully use their vision if it's restored later.
They can see, but the pattern recognition wiring is missing; they have an incredibly hard time actually using the ability to see.
Likewise, those who lose their hearing after a certain critical point and regain some of it later can adapt to use the regained hearing, but those who didn't have the ability to hear during brain development have a lot of trouble later.So you're basically promoting a false dichotomy by painting it as an either/or spoken/signed choice.
The alternative isn't "learn no language and be rendered a cripple", the alternative is "learn what you can, but if surgery will work get that as young as possible".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203628</id>
	<title>When</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>when the frosty piss dribbles into their corneas</htmltext>
<tokenext>when the frosty piss dribbles into their corneas</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when the frosty piss dribbles into their corneas</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203706</id>
	<title>DoE?</title>
	<author>courteaudotbiz</author>
	<datestamp>1266572280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does the Department of Energy has to do with the development of an artificial retina?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does the Department of Energy has to do with the development of an artificial retina ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does the Department of Energy has to do with the development of an artificial retina?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204476</id>
	<title>Re:Visual vs. Motor Prostheses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266575700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>implants directly stimulate the retina to send signals to the nervous system</p></div><p>I want my Na'vi tail, stat!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>implants directly stimulate the retina to send signals to the nervous systemI want my Na'vi tail , stat !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>implants directly stimulate the retina to send signals to the nervous systemI want my Na'vi tail, stat!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204378</id>
	<title>Re:DoE?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1266575280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What does the Department of Energy has to do with the development of an artificial retina?</p></div><p>Ideally they saw good science that needed funding and funded it even though it didn't fall neatly into their mission statement.  I'd rather have them spending money on something that appears to be paying off than funding more repetitive studies which will tell us again that clean coal really isn't good for anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does the Department of Energy has to do with the development of an artificial retina ? Ideally they saw good science that needed funding and funded it even though it did n't fall neatly into their mission statement .
I 'd rather have them spending money on something that appears to be paying off than funding more repetitive studies which will tell us again that clean coal really is n't good for anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does the Department of Energy has to do with the development of an artificial retina?Ideally they saw good science that needed funding and funded it even though it didn't fall neatly into their mission statement.
I'd rather have them spending money on something that appears to be paying off than funding more repetitive studies which will tell us again that clean coal really isn't good for anything.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203754</id>
	<title>This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture.  Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture.  It's cultural genocide, and we should NOT tolerate this desctruction of memetic diversity.</p><p>And don't give me the line about, "but it's *easier* to go through life when you're not blind."  Yeah, and it's easier to go through life when you're not black too.  So who's up for the skin lightening/radical plastic surgery for all black people?  Yeah, didn't think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture .
Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture .
It 's cultural genocide , and we should NOT tolerate this desctruction of memetic diversity.And do n't give me the line about , " but it 's * easier * to go through life when you 're not blind .
" Yeah , and it 's easier to go through life when you 're not black too .
So who 's up for the skin lightening/radical plastic surgery for all black people ?
Yeah , did n't think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture.
Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture.
It's cultural genocide, and we should NOT tolerate this desctruction of memetic diversity.And don't give me the line about, "but it's *easier* to go through life when you're not blind.
"  Yeah, and it's easier to go through life when you're not black too.
So who's up for the skin lightening/radical plastic surgery for all black people?
Yeah, didn't think so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204012</id>
	<title>Better than that</title>
	<author>Weaselmancer</author>
	<datestamp>1266573480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cadmium sulfides - a fairly common photoreceptor - are sensitive to infrared.  We might be able to do better than mother nature someday.  Imagine being able to see in infrared.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cadmium sulfides - a fairly common photoreceptor - are sensitive to infrared .
We might be able to do better than mother nature someday .
Imagine being able to see in infrared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cadmium sulfides - a fairly common photoreceptor - are sensitive to infrared.
We might be able to do better than mother nature someday.
Imagine being able to see in infrared.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203768</id>
	<title>Upgrade?</title>
	<author>Abdul the Newt</author>
	<datestamp>1266572460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>After the implant, what will be the upgrade path to HD?
And what about 3D? Will it require special glasses?</htmltext>
<tokenext>After the implant , what will be the upgrade path to HD ?
And what about 3D ?
Will it require special glasses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After the implant, what will be the upgrade path to HD?
And what about 3D?
Will it require special glasses?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204108</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266573900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they achieve better than VGA resolution, it's a steady road to needing HDMI cables, and I'm not convinced they will fit.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they achieve better than VGA resolution , it 's a steady road to needing HDMI cables , and I 'm not convinced they will fit .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they achieve better than VGA resolution, it's a steady road to needing HDMI cables, and I'm not convinced they will fit.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204660</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>caseih</author>
	<datestamp>1266576360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This comment struck me as kind of funny as one of the main, original, purposes of HDR imaging was to try to capture an image more like how the eye actually sees it.  The eye can handle much broader ranges of light levels than most cameras, which means you can look out through a window and see the bright sky and still see the interior of the room pretty well.</p><p>Our modern light sensors already have a pretty broad exposure range now, though, beyond the capabilities of our file formats and displays, so it seems to me you just plug them in to the optic nerves and voila.  HDR (in other words, normal) vision. Tone-mapping is really done on computers because our monitors have such lowsy dynamic range.  Of course the funky color maps can be used to artistic effect.</p><p>But you're also thinking along the lines of Star trek's "VISOR" that La Forge was wearing.  For some reason that no writer has adequately explained, the VISOR took this huge spectrum (well beyond visible light) and either compressed it all into the visual light range, or just dumped the whole range onto the optic nerve somehow, leaving it to the brain to sort out.  Neither explanation has sounded right.  Seemed a bit silly to me, but I guess it works as a plot device ("special" powers, etc).  I kind of doubt the optic nerve and the visual cortex has the range and resolution to resolve a wider spectrum.  But who knows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This comment struck me as kind of funny as one of the main , original , purposes of HDR imaging was to try to capture an image more like how the eye actually sees it .
The eye can handle much broader ranges of light levels than most cameras , which means you can look out through a window and see the bright sky and still see the interior of the room pretty well.Our modern light sensors already have a pretty broad exposure range now , though , beyond the capabilities of our file formats and displays , so it seems to me you just plug them in to the optic nerves and voila .
HDR ( in other words , normal ) vision .
Tone-mapping is really done on computers because our monitors have such lowsy dynamic range .
Of course the funky color maps can be used to artistic effect.But you 're also thinking along the lines of Star trek 's " VISOR " that La Forge was wearing .
For some reason that no writer has adequately explained , the VISOR took this huge spectrum ( well beyond visible light ) and either compressed it all into the visual light range , or just dumped the whole range onto the optic nerve somehow , leaving it to the brain to sort out .
Neither explanation has sounded right .
Seemed a bit silly to me , but I guess it works as a plot device ( " special " powers , etc ) .
I kind of doubt the optic nerve and the visual cortex has the range and resolution to resolve a wider spectrum .
But who knows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This comment struck me as kind of funny as one of the main, original, purposes of HDR imaging was to try to capture an image more like how the eye actually sees it.
The eye can handle much broader ranges of light levels than most cameras, which means you can look out through a window and see the bright sky and still see the interior of the room pretty well.Our modern light sensors already have a pretty broad exposure range now, though, beyond the capabilities of our file formats and displays, so it seems to me you just plug them in to the optic nerves and voila.
HDR (in other words, normal) vision.
Tone-mapping is really done on computers because our monitors have such lowsy dynamic range.
Of course the funky color maps can be used to artistic effect.But you're also thinking along the lines of Star trek's "VISOR" that La Forge was wearing.
For some reason that no writer has adequately explained, the VISOR took this huge spectrum (well beyond visible light) and either compressed it all into the visual light range, or just dumped the whole range onto the optic nerve somehow, leaving it to the brain to sort out.
Neither explanation has sounded right.
Seemed a bit silly to me, but I guess it works as a plot device ("special" powers, etc).
I kind of doubt the optic nerve and the visual cortex has the range and resolution to resolve a wider spectrum.
But who knows.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203744</id>
	<title>How often do you do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How often does everybody else stop and say to themselves, "Holy crap. We're living in the future!" I've been doing that at least once a week since the beginning of the year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How often does everybody else stop and say to themselves , " Holy crap .
We 're living in the future !
" I 've been doing that at least once a week since the beginning of the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How often does everybody else stop and say to themselves, "Holy crap.
We're living in the future!
" I've been doing that at least once a week since the beginning of the year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204166</id>
	<title>Commercialisation</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1266574200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, if the DoE can perfect this larger version of an artificial retina, then the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implant</p></div><p>So if the government invents it, this company promises to make money from it? That's real philanthropy for you!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , if the DoE can perfect this larger version of an artificial retina , then the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implantSo if the government invents it , this company promises to make money from it ?
That 's real philanthropy for you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, if the DoE can perfect this larger version of an artificial retina, then the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implantSo if the government invents it, this company promises to make money from it?
That's real philanthropy for you!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204002</id>
	<title>New brain router needed</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1266573420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.</i>
<br> <br>
Hmmm, but this isn't really blindness resulting from eye damage is it? It sounds to me like his problem is that the signals coming out of his left eye are being mapped into damaged brain tissue. It sounds like he just needs a new 'optical data input port' installed in his brain.
<br> <br>
It sounds so trivial, doesn't it? Just rerouting a few electrical impulses around a damaged network node...</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body .
Hmmm , but this is n't really blindness resulting from eye damage is it ?
It sounds to me like his problem is that the signals coming out of his left eye are being mapped into damaged brain tissue .
It sounds like he just needs a new 'optical data input port ' installed in his brain .
It sounds so trivial , does n't it ?
Just rerouting a few electrical impulses around a damaged network node.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.
Hmmm, but this isn't really blindness resulting from eye damage is it?
It sounds to me like his problem is that the signals coming out of his left eye are being mapped into damaged brain tissue.
It sounds like he just needs a new 'optical data input port' installed in his brain.
It sounds so trivial, doesn't it?
Just rerouting a few electrical impulses around a damaged network node...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205978</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>oranGoo</author>
	<datestamp>1266582960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hm, I wonder if it is really so - the high resolution part of the eye actually has quite high dynamic range . That is why photos of the scenes with high difference of darker and lighter areas look flat as compared to memory of the scene. Eye adapts, with more or less delay, depending if you look from light to dark or from dark to light, with more resolution/range then the current image formats. HDR (if not overexposed) actually looks more realistic if you concentrate on the details.<br>We have yet to see a camera with lenses as small as the pupil that will allow for reproduction of the photographed image on the same level of visual quality as the image stored in memory (good test would be that a memory of an scene and memory of looking at the photograph is of same visual quality).</p><p>And regarding the resolution - VGA does not mean anything without angle of view. Eye has a resolution of 0.3 arc minutes <a href="http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/eye-resolution.html" title="clarkvision.com" rel="nofollow">minutes</a> [clarkvision.com] which VGA would cover if it was applied to approx 2 degrees of field of vision.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hm , I wonder if it is really so - the high resolution part of the eye actually has quite high dynamic range .
That is why photos of the scenes with high difference of darker and lighter areas look flat as compared to memory of the scene .
Eye adapts , with more or less delay , depending if you look from light to dark or from dark to light , with more resolution/range then the current image formats .
HDR ( if not overexposed ) actually looks more realistic if you concentrate on the details.We have yet to see a camera with lenses as small as the pupil that will allow for reproduction of the photographed image on the same level of visual quality as the image stored in memory ( good test would be that a memory of an scene and memory of looking at the photograph is of same visual quality ) .And regarding the resolution - VGA does not mean anything without angle of view .
Eye has a resolution of 0.3 arc minutes minutes [ clarkvision.com ] which VGA would cover if it was applied to approx 2 degrees of field of vision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hm, I wonder if it is really so - the high resolution part of the eye actually has quite high dynamic range .
That is why photos of the scenes with high difference of darker and lighter areas look flat as compared to memory of the scene.
Eye adapts, with more or less delay, depending if you look from light to dark or from dark to light, with more resolution/range then the current image formats.
HDR (if not overexposed) actually looks more realistic if you concentrate on the details.We have yet to see a camera with lenses as small as the pupil that will allow for reproduction of the photographed image on the same level of visual quality as the image stored in memory (good test would be that a memory of an scene and memory of looking at the photograph is of same visual quality).And regarding the resolution - VGA does not mean anything without angle of view.
Eye has a resolution of 0.3 arc minutes minutes [clarkvision.com] which VGA would cover if it was applied to approx 2 degrees of field of vision.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31267848</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1265125020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What if my skin color gave me, say, a 30\% increased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer? Would I do it?</i></p><p>As things stand, your skin color gives you a decreased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if my skin color gave me , say , a 30 \ % increased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer ?
Would I do it ? As things stand , your skin color gives you a decreased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if my skin color gave me, say, a 30\% increased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer?
Would I do it?As things stand, your skin color gives you a decreased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204142</id>
	<title>Re:DoE?</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1266574020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That immediately jumped out at me too.</p><p>Shouldn't the Department of Energy be funding startups and projects to solve the looming energy crisis?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That immediately jumped out at me too.Should n't the Department of Energy be funding startups and projects to solve the looming energy crisis ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That immediately jumped out at me too.Shouldn't the Department of Energy be funding startups and projects to solve the looming energy crisis?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204078</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1266573780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implant, aiming for VGA resolution within the decade.</i></p><p>And, if they achieve VGA resolution, you can just <a href="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/surgery.png" title="xkcd.com">get the next upgrade</a> [xkcd.com] <a href="http://downloads.gamedev.net/pdf/gpbb/gpbb47.pdf" title="gamedev.net">in software</a> [gamedev.net]!</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implant , aiming for VGA resolution within the decade.And , if they achieve VGA resolution , you can just get the next upgrade [ xkcd.com ] in software [ gamedev.net ] !
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>the company Second Sight promises to commercialize the implant, aiming for VGA resolution within the decade.And, if they achieve VGA resolution, you can just get the next upgrade [xkcd.com] in software [gamedev.net]!
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205136</id>
	<title>Re:Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266578340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is one of the downsides of getting a CI to fix later term deafness, your brain has already mapped out which nerves hear what frequencies.  You can retrain them, but everything sounds muddled and can be frustrating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is one of the downsides of getting a CI to fix later term deafness , your brain has already mapped out which nerves hear what frequencies .
You can retrain them , but everything sounds muddled and can be frustrating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is one of the downsides of getting a CI to fix later term deafness, your brain has already mapped out which nerves hear what frequencies.
You can retrain them, but everything sounds muddled and can be frustrating.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204790</id>
	<title>Re:How often do you do this?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1266576720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Me too.  I just add "and it's dystopian" to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me too .
I just add " and it 's dystopian " to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me too.
I just add "and it's dystopian" to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203700</id>
	<title>yes...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is the cyborg tag?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is the cyborg tag ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is the cyborg tag?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205180</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1266578520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the DOE (tax dollars) is funding the research, why the hell would the technology produced then become commercialized (capitalized) by a private business?  Didn't we all pay for this, and so don't we all deserve to not pay the added costs of capitalization?</p><p>Corruption is right out in the open.  Look at it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the DOE ( tax dollars ) is funding the research , why the hell would the technology produced then become commercialized ( capitalized ) by a private business ?
Did n't we all pay for this , and so do n't we all deserve to not pay the added costs of capitalization ? Corruption is right out in the open .
Look at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the DOE (tax dollars) is funding the research, why the hell would the technology produced then become commercialized (capitalized) by a private business?
Didn't we all pay for this, and so don't we all deserve to not pay the added costs of capitalization?Corruption is right out in the open.
Look at it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203934</id>
	<title>Re:Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>Ryanrule</author>
	<datestamp>1266573120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the body is very good at adapting itself to get around problems.

have you ever seen the 2 legged dog? sad/funny at the same time, but nature manages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the body is very good at adapting itself to get around problems .
have you ever seen the 2 legged dog ?
sad/funny at the same time , but nature manages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the body is very good at adapting itself to get around problems.
have you ever seen the 2 legged dog?
sad/funny at the same time, but nature manages.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206002</id>
	<title>You've got it all wrong</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1266583140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using publicly funded research to improve lives directly by the government is an evil called Socialism. Using publicly funded research to improve lives by channeling the same technology through for-profit corporate channels is an ideal called Capitalism.</p><p>I mean, isn't it obvious?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using publicly funded research to improve lives directly by the government is an evil called Socialism .
Using publicly funded research to improve lives by channeling the same technology through for-profit corporate channels is an ideal called Capitalism.I mean , is n't it obvious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using publicly funded research to improve lives directly by the government is an evil called Socialism.
Using publicly funded research to improve lives by channeling the same technology through for-profit corporate channels is an ideal called Capitalism.I mean, isn't it obvious?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204376</id>
	<title>Cochlea implants aren't standard</title>
	<author>djscoumoune</author>
	<datestamp>1266575280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>and aren't recommended at all because the operation destroys the working part of the ear and you still have to learn reading on people's lips and learn a special sign language to help understanding the pronounciation, plus the regular sign language. I just hope the VGA implants will be upgradable (unlike cochlea implants) because seeing in 320*240 may not be much and may need real life adjustments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and are n't recommended at all because the operation destroys the working part of the ear and you still have to learn reading on people 's lips and learn a special sign language to help understanding the pronounciation , plus the regular sign language .
I just hope the VGA implants will be upgradable ( unlike cochlea implants ) because seeing in 320 * 240 may not be much and may need real life adjustments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and aren't recommended at all because the operation destroys the working part of the ear and you still have to learn reading on people's lips and learn a special sign language to help understanding the pronounciation, plus the regular sign language.
I just hope the VGA implants will be upgradable (unlike cochlea implants) because seeing in 320*240 may not be much and may need real life adjustments.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204048</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture.  Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture.  It's cultural genocide, and we should NOT tolerate this desctruction of memetic diversity.</p><p>And don't give me the line about, "but it's *easier* to go through life when you're not blind."  Yeah, and it's easier to go through life when you're not black too.  So who's up for the skin lightening/radical plastic surgery for all black people?  Yeah, didn't think so.</p></div><p>As a half-black, half white person, let me comment on your absurd ideas. For starters, skin color does not impact the ability of my 5 senses. I can see all the same things that white or black people can, I can hear the same sounds. I can smell the same sounds, I can taste the same foods (save the fried chicken jokes. EVERYONE LOVES FRIED CHICKEN), and things feel the same way to me as they do when compared to my multi-colored brethren. So my skin color doesn't inhibit my senses.</p><p>How about my life? What if my skin color gave me, say, a 30\% increased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer? Would I do it?</p><p>Hell yes.</p><p>My skin color is insignificant. I don't care about some racially motivated "culture". I do care about how long I live.</p><p>If you want to live handicapped, feel free to poke your eyes and ears out. For the rest of us... If our bodies are broken, we'll let science fix us. Men are men (and not simple beasts) because we can use tools to shape ourselves and our environment. Stop the Luddite ideology!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture .
Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture .
It 's cultural genocide , and we should NOT tolerate this desctruction of memetic diversity.And do n't give me the line about , " but it 's * easier * to go through life when you 're not blind .
" Yeah , and it 's easier to go through life when you 're not black too .
So who 's up for the skin lightening/radical plastic surgery for all black people ?
Yeah , did n't think so.As a half-black , half white person , let me comment on your absurd ideas .
For starters , skin color does not impact the ability of my 5 senses .
I can see all the same things that white or black people can , I can hear the same sounds .
I can smell the same sounds , I can taste the same foods ( save the fried chicken jokes .
EVERYONE LOVES FRIED CHICKEN ) , and things feel the same way to me as they do when compared to my multi-colored brethren .
So my skin color does n't inhibit my senses.How about my life ?
What if my skin color gave me , say , a 30 \ % increased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer ?
Would I do it ? Hell yes.My skin color is insignificant .
I do n't care about some racially motivated " culture " .
I do care about how long I live.If you want to live handicapped , feel free to poke your eyes and ears out .
For the rest of us... If our bodies are broken , we 'll let science fix us .
Men are men ( and not simple beasts ) because we can use tools to shape ourselves and our environment .
Stop the Luddite ideology !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture.
Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture.
It's cultural genocide, and we should NOT tolerate this desctruction of memetic diversity.And don't give me the line about, "but it's *easier* to go through life when you're not blind.
"  Yeah, and it's easier to go through life when you're not black too.
So who's up for the skin lightening/radical plastic surgery for all black people?
Yeah, didn't think so.As a half-black, half white person, let me comment on your absurd ideas.
For starters, skin color does not impact the ability of my 5 senses.
I can see all the same things that white or black people can, I can hear the same sounds.
I can smell the same sounds, I can taste the same foods (save the fried chicken jokes.
EVERYONE LOVES FRIED CHICKEN), and things feel the same way to me as they do when compared to my multi-colored brethren.
So my skin color doesn't inhibit my senses.How about my life?
What if my skin color gave me, say, a 30\% increased chance of dying from some horrible skin cancer?
Would I do it?Hell yes.My skin color is insignificant.
I don't care about some racially motivated "culture".
I do care about how long I live.If you want to live handicapped, feel free to poke your eyes and ears out.
For the rest of us... If our bodies are broken, we'll let science fix us.
Men are men (and not simple beasts) because we can use tools to shape ourselves and our environment.
Stop the Luddite ideology!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205688</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, I agree absolutely.  My penchant for eyeglasses has made me a total outcast in the Myopic Community.</p><p>Fuckwit.</p><p>- T</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I agree absolutely .
My penchant for eyeglasses has made me a total outcast in the Myopic Community.Fuckwit.- T</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I agree absolutely.
My penchant for eyeglasses has made me a total outcast in the Myopic Community.Fuckwit.- T</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31207266</id>
	<title>Forgot something...</title>
	<author>Estanislao Martínez</author>
	<datestamp>1266594900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>It might well be completely different, because blind people can speak and understand spoken language, so they don't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they don't have the chance to learn a full language.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, people who are blind at the wrong point in their brain development are never able to fully use their vision if it's restored later. They can see, but the pattern recognition wiring is missing; they have an incredibly hard time actually using the ability to see.</p></div></blockquote><p>You're not seeing my point here (which perhaps I should have spelled out more obviously).  The point was that a person who can't see but has full use of language is developmentally much better off than one who can see but has no language, and that this might make vision implants less controversial than auditive ones.  Remember, there are people out there who insist that deaf children should be given a completely oral education--something that is risky for the child's cognitive development.</p><blockquote><div><p>So you're basically promoting a false dichotomy by painting it as an either/or spoken/signed choice.</p></div></blockquote><p>I did no such thing.  What I would insist, however, is that signed education should be the priority over spoken education because of the developmental risks that come from missing out on first language acquisition.  If you want deaf people who are competent at communicating with the hearing world, you'd first want not to cognitively short-charge them by denying them a true first language.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It might well be completely different , because blind people can speak and understand spoken language , so they do n't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they do n't have the chance to learn a full language.Actually , people who are blind at the wrong point in their brain development are never able to fully use their vision if it 's restored later .
They can see , but the pattern recognition wiring is missing ; they have an incredibly hard time actually using the ability to see.You 're not seeing my point here ( which perhaps I should have spelled out more obviously ) .
The point was that a person who ca n't see but has full use of language is developmentally much better off than one who can see but has no language , and that this might make vision implants less controversial than auditive ones .
Remember , there are people out there who insist that deaf children should be given a completely oral education--something that is risky for the child 's cognitive development.So you 're basically promoting a false dichotomy by painting it as an either/or spoken/signed choice.I did no such thing .
What I would insist , however , is that signed education should be the priority over spoken education because of the developmental risks that come from missing out on first language acquisition .
If you want deaf people who are competent at communicating with the hearing world , you 'd first want not to cognitively short-charge them by denying them a true first language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might well be completely different, because blind people can speak and understand spoken language, so they don't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they don't have the chance to learn a full language.Actually, people who are blind at the wrong point in their brain development are never able to fully use their vision if it's restored later.
They can see, but the pattern recognition wiring is missing; they have an incredibly hard time actually using the ability to see.You're not seeing my point here (which perhaps I should have spelled out more obviously).
The point was that a person who can't see but has full use of language is developmentally much better off than one who can see but has no language, and that this might make vision implants less controversial than auditive ones.
Remember, there are people out there who insist that deaf children should be given a completely oral education--something that is risky for the child's cognitive development.So you're basically promoting a false dichotomy by painting it as an either/or spoken/signed choice.I did no such thing.
What I would insist, however, is that signed education should be the priority over spoken education because of the developmental risks that come from missing out on first language acquisition.
If you want deaf people who are competent at communicating with the hearing world, you'd first want not to cognitively short-charge them by denying them a true first language.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204352</id>
	<title>Rush Limbaugh</title>
	<author>minderaser</author>
	<datestamp>1266575160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, or has the public at large failed to notice that the big fat blowhard name Rush Limbaugh lost his hearing as a result of him doing massive amounts of opiates? Seriously, a result of doing HARD drugs is that you lose your ability to HEAR. That gigantic fat fuck who is more or less now deaf is telling us what to do?? REALLYl?  Hey, fatso, you are addicted to OPIATES.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or has the public at large failed to notice that the big fat blowhard name Rush Limbaugh lost his hearing as a result of him doing massive amounts of opiates ?
Seriously , a result of doing HARD drugs is that you lose your ability to HEAR .
That gigantic fat fuck who is more or less now deaf is telling us what to do ? ?
REALLYl ? Hey , fatso , you are addicted to OPIATES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or has the public at large failed to notice that the big fat blowhard name Rush Limbaugh lost his hearing as a result of him doing massive amounts of opiates?
Seriously, a result of doing HARD drugs is that you lose your ability to HEAR.
That gigantic fat fuck who is more or less now deaf is telling us what to do??
REALLYl?  Hey, fatso, you are addicted to OPIATES.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205286</id>
	<title>New brain router needed</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1266579000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does lack of IR/UV vision stem from a lack of proper optical reception (cones), or lack of neural ability?  My guess is that the brain would try and interpret what it is shown, regardless of what our eyes have evolved to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does lack of IR/UV vision stem from a lack of proper optical reception ( cones ) , or lack of neural ability ?
My guess is that the brain would try and interpret what it is shown , regardless of what our eyes have evolved to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does lack of IR/UV vision stem from a lack of proper optical reception (cones), or lack of neural ability?
My guess is that the brain would try and interpret what it is shown, regardless of what our eyes have evolved to do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205836</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266582120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm really glad I enabled sigs.  I will go out of my way to downmod every fucking post you ever make.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm really glad I enabled sigs .
I will go out of my way to downmod every fucking post you ever make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm really glad I enabled sigs.
I will go out of my way to downmod every fucking post you ever make.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206698</id>
	<title>Tricky</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1266588540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> If the DOE (tax dollars) is funding the research, why the hell would the technology produced then become commercialized (capitalized) by a private</i></p><p>Well, building an eye implant in the lab is one thing, and the taxpayer pays for that.  Putting it out into the field, borrowing all the money and getting investment bankers to pony up for production costs, sales and marketing, all of the insurances required for the inevitable lawsuits, the technical support, tracking, doctor training and all that manufacturing required to get the eye from a factory floor into someone's head, that's what the private sector does.</p><p>So it is ultimately a cost sharing arrangement.  What is foobar in this case is that the private sector in the USA is extremely risk averse these days.  In essence, the US taxpayer is footing the bill of coming up with products for corporations to product and market.</p><p>Outside of that, in order to get an entirely new product out there, you have to be a solo inventor.  The mad scientist is apropro, because only mad scientists take risks that other people just wouldn't take.</p><p>That's pretty much why you see old companies where the founders have either sold off or died always lobbying for R&amp;D tax credits or gov't aid to labs, because they just want to pick and choose from products that already exist, not, have to take the risk of creating new ones.  Some Joe Schmoe who worked his way up from accounting would never have the credibility to bring a new product to market, but, a visionary founder like a Steve Jobs, or, Bill Gates, could say, yeah, I'll bet the company on that, because they've done it already and made it work. It may seem obvious to everyone now, but, just look at why Windows had so little competition - Wall Street in those days was like "why do you need graphics on a business computer".  Microsoft just funded the whole thing out of its own pocket (and granted, it could do that because of the DOS monopoly), but, it was the only way something like a Windows, or, for that matter, a Macintosh, could ever get built.  You could have never have gone to a banker and say you needed 100M for a GUI based operating shell.  You'd have to have a business case, cost studies, market analysis, all of that stuff, whereas, someone with their own company and own guts and glory could say, "Make it like Mac, because its cool", like Bill Gates did.</p><p>Even now you can see how Microsoft is turning into a rent seeking pile of shit that's lost a lot of the rough and tumble stuff that made same so entertaining when Bill was at the helm.  They listen to their enterprise customers more, for sure, but they don't really lead any more, and any innovation that comes up inside of them just gets drowned out in infighting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the DOE ( tax dollars ) is funding the research , why the hell would the technology produced then become commercialized ( capitalized ) by a privateWell , building an eye implant in the lab is one thing , and the taxpayer pays for that .
Putting it out into the field , borrowing all the money and getting investment bankers to pony up for production costs , sales and marketing , all of the insurances required for the inevitable lawsuits , the technical support , tracking , doctor training and all that manufacturing required to get the eye from a factory floor into someone 's head , that 's what the private sector does.So it is ultimately a cost sharing arrangement .
What is foobar in this case is that the private sector in the USA is extremely risk averse these days .
In essence , the US taxpayer is footing the bill of coming up with products for corporations to product and market.Outside of that , in order to get an entirely new product out there , you have to be a solo inventor .
The mad scientist is apropro , because only mad scientists take risks that other people just would n't take.That 's pretty much why you see old companies where the founders have either sold off or died always lobbying for R&amp;D tax credits or gov't aid to labs , because they just want to pick and choose from products that already exist , not , have to take the risk of creating new ones .
Some Joe Schmoe who worked his way up from accounting would never have the credibility to bring a new product to market , but , a visionary founder like a Steve Jobs , or , Bill Gates , could say , yeah , I 'll bet the company on that , because they 've done it already and made it work .
It may seem obvious to everyone now , but , just look at why Windows had so little competition - Wall Street in those days was like " why do you need graphics on a business computer " .
Microsoft just funded the whole thing out of its own pocket ( and granted , it could do that because of the DOS monopoly ) , but , it was the only way something like a Windows , or , for that matter , a Macintosh , could ever get built .
You could have never have gone to a banker and say you needed 100M for a GUI based operating shell .
You 'd have to have a business case , cost studies , market analysis , all of that stuff , whereas , someone with their own company and own guts and glory could say , " Make it like Mac , because its cool " , like Bill Gates did.Even now you can see how Microsoft is turning into a rent seeking pile of shit that 's lost a lot of the rough and tumble stuff that made same so entertaining when Bill was at the helm .
They listen to their enterprise customers more , for sure , but they do n't really lead any more , and any innovation that comes up inside of them just gets drowned out in infighting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If the DOE (tax dollars) is funding the research, why the hell would the technology produced then become commercialized (capitalized) by a privateWell, building an eye implant in the lab is one thing, and the taxpayer pays for that.
Putting it out into the field, borrowing all the money and getting investment bankers to pony up for production costs, sales and marketing, all of the insurances required for the inevitable lawsuits, the technical support, tracking, doctor training and all that manufacturing required to get the eye from a factory floor into someone's head, that's what the private sector does.So it is ultimately a cost sharing arrangement.
What is foobar in this case is that the private sector in the USA is extremely risk averse these days.
In essence, the US taxpayer is footing the bill of coming up with products for corporations to product and market.Outside of that, in order to get an entirely new product out there, you have to be a solo inventor.
The mad scientist is apropro, because only mad scientists take risks that other people just wouldn't take.That's pretty much why you see old companies where the founders have either sold off or died always lobbying for R&amp;D tax credits or gov't aid to labs, because they just want to pick and choose from products that already exist, not, have to take the risk of creating new ones.
Some Joe Schmoe who worked his way up from accounting would never have the credibility to bring a new product to market, but, a visionary founder like a Steve Jobs, or, Bill Gates, could say, yeah, I'll bet the company on that, because they've done it already and made it work.
It may seem obvious to everyone now, but, just look at why Windows had so little competition - Wall Street in those days was like "why do you need graphics on a business computer".
Microsoft just funded the whole thing out of its own pocket (and granted, it could do that because of the DOS monopoly), but, it was the only way something like a Windows, or, for that matter, a Macintosh, could ever get built.
You could have never have gone to a banker and say you needed 100M for a GUI based operating shell.
You'd have to have a business case, cost studies, market analysis, all of that stuff, whereas, someone with their own company and own guts and glory could say, "Make it like Mac, because its cool", like Bill Gates did.Even now you can see how Microsoft is turning into a rent seeking pile of shit that's lost a lot of the rough and tumble stuff that made same so entertaining when Bill was at the helm.
They listen to their enterprise customers more, for sure, but they don't really lead any more, and any innovation that comes up inside of them just gets drowned out in infighting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203976</id>
	<title>You think it won't happen ...</title>
	<author>abbynormal brain</author>
	<datestamp>1266573300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... in military application? Robo-cops, emergency responders, and others of similar categories of future application will most definitely benefit from advanced imaging.<br>HUD capabilities as well -- non-disruptive arrows near the peripheral regions of your vision guiding you to the nearest McDonalds when you ask for it. It won't stop there, "Aps" for your new vision capabilities will spring up -- virtual retinal compass, retinal level (yes, you only need two hands to make sure that picture frame is straight), and the list goes on. Oh, and don't forget the ever loving popular - pop-ups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... in military application ?
Robo-cops , emergency responders , and others of similar categories of future application will most definitely benefit from advanced imaging.HUD capabilities as well -- non-disruptive arrows near the peripheral regions of your vision guiding you to the nearest McDonalds when you ask for it .
It wo n't stop there , " Aps " for your new vision capabilities will spring up -- virtual retinal compass , retinal level ( yes , you only need two hands to make sure that picture frame is straight ) , and the list goes on .
Oh , and do n't forget the ever loving popular - pop-ups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... in military application?
Robo-cops, emergency responders, and others of similar categories of future application will most definitely benefit from advanced imaging.HUD capabilities as well -- non-disruptive arrows near the peripheral regions of your vision guiding you to the nearest McDonalds when you ask for it.
It won't stop there, "Aps" for your new vision capabilities will spring up -- virtual retinal compass, retinal level (yes, you only need two hands to make sure that picture frame is straight), and the list goes on.
Oh, and don't forget the ever loving popular - pop-ups.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204692</id>
	<title>WW-2 experiments gave soldiers infrared vision</title>
	<author>ZuchinniOne</author>
	<datestamp>1266576420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>During world war 2 some soldiers were given a form of vitamin A that slightly changed the structure of the opsin molecule which the eye uses to detect light.</p><p>This resulted in soldiers being able to see further into the red end of the spectrum and there are some reports that a few soldiers even saw the top of the infrared spectrum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During world war 2 some soldiers were given a form of vitamin A that slightly changed the structure of the opsin molecule which the eye uses to detect light.This resulted in soldiers being able to see further into the red end of the spectrum and there are some reports that a few soldiers even saw the top of the infrared spectrum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During world war 2 some soldiers were given a form of vitamin A that slightly changed the structure of the opsin molecule which the eye uses to detect light.This resulted in soldiers being able to see further into the red end of the spectrum and there are some reports that a few soldiers even saw the top of the infrared spectrum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204542</id>
	<title>Re:Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1266575940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unfortunately, stroke induced brain damage is likely the result of brain damage than damage to the retina.</p></div><p>Maybe it will turn out to be a good way of bypassing the damage.  I'm not a neuroscientist or a medical professional, that statement is based entirely on the fact that weirder things have turned out to work for other medical problems.  For example, I think few people would have had the foresight in the 1900's to guess that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin" title="wikipedia.org">a substance isolated from fungi</a> [wikipedia.org] would be a revolutionary medicine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , stroke induced brain damage is likely the result of brain damage than damage to the retina.Maybe it will turn out to be a good way of bypassing the damage .
I 'm not a neuroscientist or a medical professional , that statement is based entirely on the fact that weirder things have turned out to work for other medical problems .
For example , I think few people would have had the foresight in the 1900 's to guess that a substance isolated from fungi [ wikipedia.org ] would be a revolutionary medicine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, stroke induced brain damage is likely the result of brain damage than damage to the retina.Maybe it will turn out to be a good way of bypassing the damage.
I'm not a neuroscientist or a medical professional, that statement is based entirely on the fact that weirder things have turned out to work for other medical problems.
For example, I think few people would have had the foresight in the 1900's to guess that a substance isolated from fungi [wikipedia.org] would be a revolutionary medicine.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204348</id>
	<title>Moore's law</title>
	<author>gurps\_npc</author>
	<datestamp>1266575100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or rather a rough equilevent of Moore's Law for CCD chip resolution, predicts that the resolution problem will vanish by next decade.

Welcome Geordi, your visor will be ready before you are born.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or rather a rough equilevent of Moore 's Law for CCD chip resolution , predicts that the resolution problem will vanish by next decade .
Welcome Geordi , your visor will be ready before you are born .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or rather a rough equilevent of Moore's Law for CCD chip resolution, predicts that the resolution problem will vanish by next decade.
Welcome Geordi, your visor will be ready before you are born.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203798</id>
	<title>Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1266572640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of a small girl we met at the swimmingpool (lessons), who had one visible cochlear implant. This girl turned out to be deaf from birth on both ears. I remarked to her mother that she could actually hear and talk amazingly well - I hadn't noticed anything in her speech. According to the doctors this was nigh impossible, but she had enough input from the 16 nerves to get perfect speech and reasonable hearing. She probably got very lucky with the connections on the nerves. So even with 16 nerves stimulated this could make a huge difference for someone who's blind, if they happen to hit the right connections.</p><p>Yeah I know - anecdotal evidence and such. Still, I'm happy they get this far already.</p><p>Oh, and I won't be upgrading my retina unless it matches the resolution of my computer display and comes with infrared, zoom and millimeterwave vision options. Preferably with scrolling 6502 assembly code on the left side as well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of a small girl we met at the swimmingpool ( lessons ) , who had one visible cochlear implant .
This girl turned out to be deaf from birth on both ears .
I remarked to her mother that she could actually hear and talk amazingly well - I had n't noticed anything in her speech .
According to the doctors this was nigh impossible , but she had enough input from the 16 nerves to get perfect speech and reasonable hearing .
She probably got very lucky with the connections on the nerves .
So even with 16 nerves stimulated this could make a huge difference for someone who 's blind , if they happen to hit the right connections.Yeah I know - anecdotal evidence and such .
Still , I 'm happy they get this far already.Oh , and I wo n't be upgrading my retina unless it matches the resolution of my computer display and comes with infrared , zoom and millimeterwave vision options .
Preferably with scrolling 6502 assembly code on the left side as well : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of a small girl we met at the swimmingpool (lessons), who had one visible cochlear implant.
This girl turned out to be deaf from birth on both ears.
I remarked to her mother that she could actually hear and talk amazingly well - I hadn't noticed anything in her speech.
According to the doctors this was nigh impossible, but she had enough input from the 16 nerves to get perfect speech and reasonable hearing.
She probably got very lucky with the connections on the nerves.
So even with 16 nerves stimulated this could make a huge difference for someone who's blind, if they happen to hit the right connections.Yeah I know - anecdotal evidence and such.
Still, I'm happy they get this far already.Oh, and I won't be upgrading my retina unless it matches the resolution of my computer display and comes with infrared, zoom and millimeterwave vision options.
Preferably with scrolling 6502 assembly code on the left side as well :P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205538</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it could have blue shifted or red shifted it in software, allowing him to scan up and scan down the spectrum.  Remember kiddies, the only difference between light and IR is wavelength</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it could have blue shifted or red shifted it in software , allowing him to scan up and scan down the spectrum .
Remember kiddies , the only difference between light and IR is wavelength</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it could have blue shifted or red shifted it in software, allowing him to scan up and scan down the spectrum.
Remember kiddies, the only difference between light and IR is wavelength</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204360</id>
	<title>Re:Whoa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266575160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keanu who? </p><p>Major Kusanagi approves this idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keanu who ?
Major Kusanagi approves this idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keanu who?
Major Kusanagi approves this idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206800</id>
	<title>Re:URL Shorteners</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1266589620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with you, but Slashdot apparently rejects any article submission with a URL that was used in another rejected article. Since people are constantly producing absolute crap article submissions - things even the editors won't post, no matter how interesting or on-topic the material is - it often becomes necessary to find an alternate link to the material you want to submit. Frankly, annoying though URL shorteners are, they're better than links to ad-riddled pages that spread their copy-pasted content out over a dozen click-throughs, add no original content, have no link back to the source, and are hosted on underpowered servers that can't take the surge of traffic.</p><p>That said, for all I know, this article points to such sites. It's not like I actually checked the links...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you , but Slashdot apparently rejects any article submission with a URL that was used in another rejected article .
Since people are constantly producing absolute crap article submissions - things even the editors wo n't post , no matter how interesting or on-topic the material is - it often becomes necessary to find an alternate link to the material you want to submit .
Frankly , annoying though URL shorteners are , they 're better than links to ad-riddled pages that spread their copy-pasted content out over a dozen click-throughs , add no original content , have no link back to the source , and are hosted on underpowered servers that ca n't take the surge of traffic.That said , for all I know , this article points to such sites .
It 's not like I actually checked the links.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you, but Slashdot apparently rejects any article submission with a URL that was used in another rejected article.
Since people are constantly producing absolute crap article submissions - things even the editors won't post, no matter how interesting or on-topic the material is - it often becomes necessary to find an alternate link to the material you want to submit.
Frankly, annoying though URL shorteners are, they're better than links to ad-riddled pages that spread their copy-pasted content out over a dozen click-throughs, add no original content, have no link back to the source, and are hosted on underpowered servers that can't take the surge of traffic.That said, for all I know, this article points to such sites.
It's not like I actually checked the links...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203692</id>
	<title>Great!</title>
	<author>Ziest</author>
	<datestamp>1266572280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who says the age of miracles is over?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who says the age of miracles is over ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who says the age of miracles is over?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203838</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flip that argument - who's up for preventing blacks from purchasing skin lightening or radical plastic surgery?</p><p>See, kids, that's called a false dichotomy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flip that argument - who 's up for preventing blacks from purchasing skin lightening or radical plastic surgery ? See , kids , that 's called a false dichotomy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flip that argument - who's up for preventing blacks from purchasing skin lightening or radical plastic surgery?See, kids, that's called a false dichotomy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203800</id>
	<title>Visual vs. Motor Prostheses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's interesting that these visual implants directly stimulate the retina to send signals to the nervous system, while even the advanced cybernetic limbs such as DARPA's "Proto 2" are still using the kludge of reading electrical signals from muscles. As I understand it, the arm research is meant to eventually hook the limbs up directly to nerves (as has been done successfully, to some extent, with biological hand transplants), but the tech isn't quite there yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting that these visual implants directly stimulate the retina to send signals to the nervous system , while even the advanced cybernetic limbs such as DARPA 's " Proto 2 " are still using the kludge of reading electrical signals from muscles .
As I understand it , the arm research is meant to eventually hook the limbs up directly to nerves ( as has been done successfully , to some extent , with biological hand transplants ) , but the tech is n't quite there yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting that these visual implants directly stimulate the retina to send signals to the nervous system, while even the advanced cybernetic limbs such as DARPA's "Proto 2" are still using the kludge of reading electrical signals from muscles.
As I understand it, the arm research is meant to eventually hook the limbs up directly to nerves (as has been done successfully, to some extent, with biological hand transplants), but the tech isn't quite there yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204726</id>
	<title>Re:Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might be interested in reading "Phantoms in the Brain" by V.R. Ramachandran.<br>It is not specific to strokes, but it was helpful as I tried to understand what was happening to a loved one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might be interested in reading " Phantoms in the Brain " by V.R .
Ramachandran.It is not specific to strokes , but it was helpful as I tried to understand what was happening to a loved one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might be interested in reading "Phantoms in the Brain" by V.R.
Ramachandran.It is not specific to strokes, but it was helpful as I tried to understand what was happening to a loved one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204374</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1266575220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have contact lenses destroyed the basically fucking blind culture?</p><p>Only a moron would want to be crippled, I say that as a person who has been effectively blind without corrective lenses since age 6. I can focus on objects within about 6 inches of my face without corrective lenses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have contact lenses destroyed the basically fucking blind culture ? Only a moron would want to be crippled , I say that as a person who has been effectively blind without corrective lenses since age 6 .
I can focus on objects within about 6 inches of my face without corrective lenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have contact lenses destroyed the basically fucking blind culture?Only a moron would want to be crippled, I say that as a person who has been effectively blind without corrective lenses since age 6.
I can focus on objects within about 6 inches of my face without corrective lenses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204282</id>
	<title>what happens when they exceed human abilities?</title>
	<author>guanxi</author>
	<datestamp>1266574740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when they get higher resolution, are sensitive to a wider spectrum, tunable images (contrast, enhancement, etc), connected to storage for recording and playback, cameras pointing in various directions or even remote<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... who will get them? You don't think you'll get a job with that old wetware, do you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when they get higher resolution , are sensitive to a wider spectrum , tunable images ( contrast , enhancement , etc ) , connected to storage for recording and playback , cameras pointing in various directions or even remote ... who will get them ?
You do n't think you 'll get a job with that old wetware , do you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when they get higher resolution, are sensitive to a wider spectrum, tunable images (contrast, enhancement, etc), connected to storage for recording and playback, cameras pointing in various directions or even remote ... who will get them?
You don't think you'll get a job with that old wetware, do you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203890</id>
	<title>Re:Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, stroke induced brain damage is likely the result of brain damage than damage to the retina.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , stroke induced brain damage is likely the result of brain damage than damage to the retina .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, stroke induced brain damage is likely the result of brain damage than damage to the retina.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205284</id>
	<title>Re:But cochlear implants are oversold...</title>
	<author>HeckRuler</author>
	<datestamp>1266579000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>which portrays deaf people as deficient and unable to</p></div><p>...hear? <br> <br>
I'm sorry, but deaf and/or blind children are lacking abilities. Specifically, the ability to hear and/or see. Yes it impedes their ability to learn. Some kids rise to the challenge, and others don't. It's like being born with one arm: you're going to have troubles tying your shoes<br> <br>Unless you have a awesome robo-arm! <br> <br>
Complaining that being deaf is seen as detrimental is taking political correctness too far.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>which portrays deaf people as deficient and unable to...hear ?
I 'm sorry , but deaf and/or blind children are lacking abilities .
Specifically , the ability to hear and/or see .
Yes it impedes their ability to learn .
Some kids rise to the challenge , and others do n't .
It 's like being born with one arm : you 're going to have troubles tying your shoes Unless you have a awesome robo-arm !
Complaining that being deaf is seen as detrimental is taking political correctness too far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which portrays deaf people as deficient and unable to...hear?
I'm sorry, but deaf and/or blind children are lacking abilities.
Specifically, the ability to hear and/or see.
Yes it impedes their ability to learn.
Some kids rise to the challenge, and others don't.
It's like being born with one arm: you're going to have troubles tying your shoes Unless you have a awesome robo-arm!
Complaining that being deaf is seen as detrimental is taking political correctness too far.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204410</id>
	<title>But cochlear implants are oversold...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266575400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The premise of this submission is that cochlear implants are uncontroversially good, but that just ain't so; there's a lot of people who have objections to cochlear implants themselves or the way they're pushed on to deaf children.

</p><p>The <a href="http://www.nad.org/issues/technology/assistive-listening/cochlear-implants" title="nad.org" rel="nofollow">National Association of the Deaf's statement on the implants</a> [nad.org] makes pretty good reading about this topic.  They don't come against the implants as their own, but they do point out a number of problems that they perceive on their use:
</p><ol>
<li>The implants are pushed on to parents of deaf children as a "cure" for deafness, when they are at best a tool for deaf people to navigate a hearing world.</li>
<li>The promotion of the implants often comes along with a negative image of deafness, which portrays deaf people as deficient and unable to communicate.  The NAD would rather prefer that deaf people be represented by positive role models of successful deaf people.</li>
<li>The implants require years of very frustrating training for many deaf children to learn to use, and a lot of that time might be better spent on sign-language based education.</li>
</ol><p>I don't know to what extent this would be a factor for blindness, however.  It might well be completely different, because blind people can speak and understand spoken language, so they don't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they don't have the chance to learn a full language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The premise of this submission is that cochlear implants are uncontroversially good , but that just ai n't so ; there 's a lot of people who have objections to cochlear implants themselves or the way they 're pushed on to deaf children .
The National Association of the Deaf 's statement on the implants [ nad.org ] makes pretty good reading about this topic .
They do n't come against the implants as their own , but they do point out a number of problems that they perceive on their use : The implants are pushed on to parents of deaf children as a " cure " for deafness , when they are at best a tool for deaf people to navigate a hearing world .
The promotion of the implants often comes along with a negative image of deafness , which portrays deaf people as deficient and unable to communicate .
The NAD would rather prefer that deaf people be represented by positive role models of successful deaf people .
The implants require years of very frustrating training for many deaf children to learn to use , and a lot of that time might be better spent on sign-language based education .
I do n't know to what extent this would be a factor for blindness , however .
It might well be completely different , because blind people can speak and understand spoken language , so they do n't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they do n't have the chance to learn a full language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The premise of this submission is that cochlear implants are uncontroversially good, but that just ain't so; there's a lot of people who have objections to cochlear implants themselves or the way they're pushed on to deaf children.
The National Association of the Deaf's statement on the implants [nad.org] makes pretty good reading about this topic.
They don't come against the implants as their own, but they do point out a number of problems that they perceive on their use:

The implants are pushed on to parents of deaf children as a "cure" for deafness, when they are at best a tool for deaf people to navigate a hearing world.
The promotion of the implants often comes along with a negative image of deafness, which portrays deaf people as deficient and unable to communicate.
The NAD would rather prefer that deaf people be represented by positive role models of successful deaf people.
The implants require years of very frustrating training for many deaf children to learn to use, and a lot of that time might be better spent on sign-language based education.
I don't know to what extent this would be a factor for blindness, however.
It might well be completely different, because blind people can speak and understand spoken language, so they don't have the same developmental risks that pre-lingual deaf children are subject to if they don't have the chance to learn a full language.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205088</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1266578160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in Visual Prosthetics.</p><p>Here's the thing with any sort of augmented vision: there's no way you can justify the risks of implantation when a fully external device that shows whatever mapped, morphed, or manipulated version of vision will work as well or better.</p><p>If you have normal sight, or even nearly normal sight, then why have an implant that carries significant risk, will be large and potentially painful for some time to come, will require frequent recharging, will be expensive as getout, when you can put on a special pair of glasses with a heads-up-display that does more?  Telescopic vision, IR, UV, macroscopic, x-ray, edge enhanced, color shifted, depth enhanced, whatever you can think of, it is easier to do it with a head-worn high-tech display that you can take off at will.</p><p>In contrast, having an implant means -- for any kind of implant that is under current consideration -- fixed resolution, and, unless you're willing to undergo significant, expensive surgeries, many of the interface parameters will be technologically fixed.  Yes, there's a lot you can do with reprogramming, but it's essentially impossible to change the stimulating electrodes and their drivers.</p><p>Trust me, you do not want a visual prosthesis unless you need one.  The normal visual system, enhanced with purely external devices, will always be better.</p><p>Any visual implant that is currently under discussion</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in Visual Prosthetics.Here 's the thing with any sort of augmented vision : there 's no way you can justify the risks of implantation when a fully external device that shows whatever mapped , morphed , or manipulated version of vision will work as well or better.If you have normal sight , or even nearly normal sight , then why have an implant that carries significant risk , will be large and potentially painful for some time to come , will require frequent recharging , will be expensive as getout , when you can put on a special pair of glasses with a heads-up-display that does more ?
Telescopic vision , IR , UV , macroscopic , x-ray , edge enhanced , color shifted , depth enhanced , whatever you can think of , it is easier to do it with a head-worn high-tech display that you can take off at will.In contrast , having an implant means -- for any kind of implant that is under current consideration -- fixed resolution , and , unless you 're willing to undergo significant , expensive surgeries , many of the interface parameters will be technologically fixed .
Yes , there 's a lot you can do with reprogramming , but it 's essentially impossible to change the stimulating electrodes and their drivers.Trust me , you do not want a visual prosthesis unless you need one .
The normal visual system , enhanced with purely external devices , will always be better.Any visual implant that is currently under discussion</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in Visual Prosthetics.Here's the thing with any sort of augmented vision: there's no way you can justify the risks of implantation when a fully external device that shows whatever mapped, morphed, or manipulated version of vision will work as well or better.If you have normal sight, or even nearly normal sight, then why have an implant that carries significant risk, will be large and potentially painful for some time to come, will require frequent recharging, will be expensive as getout, when you can put on a special pair of glasses with a heads-up-display that does more?
Telescopic vision, IR, UV, macroscopic, x-ray, edge enhanced, color shifted, depth enhanced, whatever you can think of, it is easier to do it with a head-worn high-tech display that you can take off at will.In contrast, having an implant means -- for any kind of implant that is under current consideration -- fixed resolution, and, unless you're willing to undergo significant, expensive surgeries, many of the interface parameters will be technologically fixed.
Yes, there's a lot you can do with reprogramming, but it's essentially impossible to change the stimulating electrodes and their drivers.Trust me, you do not want a visual prosthesis unless you need one.
The normal visual system, enhanced with purely external devices, will always be better.Any visual implant that is currently under discussion</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31210364</id>
	<title>The MPAA won't allow this ...</title>
	<author>[KERNEL32]\_</author>
	<datestamp>1266685320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... unless DRM are built-in to the user's brain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... unless DRM are built-in to the user 's brain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... unless DRM are built-in to the user's brain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204400</id>
	<title>Re:Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1266575340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are misapprehending how the cochlear implant functions. It is stimulating nerves using 16 electrodes, not stimulating 16 individual nerves (each electrode will stimulate a region...).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are misapprehending how the cochlear implant functions .
It is stimulating nerves using 16 electrodes , not stimulating 16 individual nerves ( each electrode will stimulate a region... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are misapprehending how the cochlear implant functions.
It is stimulating nerves using 16 electrodes, not stimulating 16 individual nerves (each electrode will stimulate a region...).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205488</id>
	<title>DRM i-Patch ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266580140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it run linux?</p><p>Does it have, like, secret copyright protection ?</p><p>Does the Chinese version block stuff the Central Committees don't want you to see ?</p><p>Where do you download the patch ? How do you apply the patch ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:^</p><p>Do you see strange faces if you wear sunshades or dark glasses ?</p><p>Is there going to be a 'slow light' version soon ?</p><p>Does it stream Flash ? Or will they wait for eye-TML V ?</p><p>Er,...</p><p>Imagine a beowulf of... no, wait. On second thought. Better not. Trust me on that one<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;&gt;</p><p>"These eyes have seen..."</p><p>How long till the WiFi version is on the market. The Bluetooth version ?</p><p>What's the bandwidth for p*nr ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it run linux ? Does it have , like , secret copyright protection ? Does the Chinese version block stuff the Central Committees do n't want you to see ? Where do you download the patch ?
How do you apply the patch ?
: ^ Do you see strange faces if you wear sunshades or dark glasses ? Is there going to be a 'slow light ' version soon ? Does it stream Flash ?
Or will they wait for eye-TML V ? Er,...Imagine a beowulf of... no , wait .
On second thought .
Better not .
Trust me on that one ; &gt; " These eyes have seen... " How long till the WiFi version is on the market .
The Bluetooth version ? What 's the bandwidth for p * nr ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it run linux?Does it have, like, secret copyright protection ?Does the Chinese version block stuff the Central Committees don't want you to see ?Where do you download the patch ?
How do you apply the patch ?
:^Do you see strange faces if you wear sunshades or dark glasses ?Is there going to be a 'slow light' version soon ?Does it stream Flash ?
Or will they wait for eye-TML V ?Er,...Imagine a beowulf of... no, wait.
On second thought.
Better not.
Trust me on that one ;&gt;"These eyes have seen..."How long till the WiFi version is on the market.
The Bluetooth version ?What's the bandwidth for p*nr ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203950</id>
	<title>Whoa</title>
	<author>MrEricSir</author>
	<datestamp>1266573180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keanu Reeves approves of this idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keanu Reeves approves of this idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keanu Reeves approves of this idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204288</id>
	<title>Too late</title>
	<author>MrEricSir</author>
	<datestamp>1266574800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Science already invented the air filter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Science already invented the air filter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science already invented the air filter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206686</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>fake\_name</author>
	<datestamp>1266588360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to know why having a deaf culture is preferable to not having any deaf people.</p><p>Next you'll be wanting to bring back leper colonies so we don't lose leper culture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to know why having a deaf culture is preferable to not having any deaf people.Next you 'll be wanting to bring back leper colonies so we do n't lose leper culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to know why having a deaf culture is preferable to not having any deaf people.Next you'll be wanting to bring back leper colonies so we don't lose leper culture.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204346</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1266575100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they achieve VGA resolution, it's a steady road to full vision for the blind. I'm more interested in, at this point, exceeding human abilities.</p> </div><p>It's not as if to achieve one goal, we need to abandon the other goal.  In fact, being able to give VGA resolution to the blind seems in many ways like it's on the path to achieving beyond human sight.  Get an artificial retina that gets VGA resolution perfected.  It will take a lot of money to get this right.  Restoring sight is a payoff that will help fund refinements on that, like higher resolution artificial retinas, increased spectrum retinas etc.</p><p>Furthermore, I suspect the main reason you're more interested in exceeding human abilities is because you personally have no use for restoring vision to the blind, which seems a little selfish.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they achieve VGA resolution , it 's a steady road to full vision for the blind .
I 'm more interested in , at this point , exceeding human abilities .
It 's not as if to achieve one goal , we need to abandon the other goal .
In fact , being able to give VGA resolution to the blind seems in many ways like it 's on the path to achieving beyond human sight .
Get an artificial retina that gets VGA resolution perfected .
It will take a lot of money to get this right .
Restoring sight is a payoff that will help fund refinements on that , like higher resolution artificial retinas , increased spectrum retinas etc.Furthermore , I suspect the main reason you 're more interested in exceeding human abilities is because you personally have no use for restoring vision to the blind , which seems a little selfish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they achieve VGA resolution, it's a steady road to full vision for the blind.
I'm more interested in, at this point, exceeding human abilities.
It's not as if to achieve one goal, we need to abandon the other goal.
In fact, being able to give VGA resolution to the blind seems in many ways like it's on the path to achieving beyond human sight.
Get an artificial retina that gets VGA resolution perfected.
It will take a lot of money to get this right.
Restoring sight is a payoff that will help fund refinements on that, like higher resolution artificial retinas, increased spectrum retinas etc.Furthermore, I suspect the main reason you're more interested in exceeding human abilities is because you personally have no use for restoring vision to the blind, which seems a little selfish.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203862</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, did you just compare being black to being blind?</p><p>Who are you, Al Franken?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , did you just compare being black to being blind ? Who are you , Al Franken ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, did you just compare being black to being blind?Who are you, Al Franken?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203822</id>
	<title>Re:DoE?</title>
	<author>lwsimon</author>
	<datestamp>1266572760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, this seems more like a Dept. of Defense issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , this seems more like a Dept .
of Defense issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, this seems more like a Dept.
of Defense issue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203876</id>
	<title>Re:DoE?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DoE national labs do quite a bit of basic material research science.  Since the first and second gen were basically implanted solar cells (silicon substrate that reacted to light) it makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DoE national labs do quite a bit of basic material research science .
Since the first and second gen were basically implanted solar cells ( silicon substrate that reacted to light ) it makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DoE national labs do quite a bit of basic material research science.
Since the first and second gen were basically implanted solar cells (silicon substrate that reacted to light) it makes sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205058</id>
	<title>Interesting that this is funded by Dept of Energy</title>
	<author>MillenneumMan</author>
	<datestamp>1266577980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else find this odd?  Is DoE the source of most medical research funding?  I know they do a whole lot of work for the Dept of Defense, and actually I wish those projects were rolled up under the Dept of Defense budget for more accurate accounting (but that is another story).

That said, this is awesome and I hope this technology advances at the same pace as Moore's Law</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else find this odd ?
Is DoE the source of most medical research funding ?
I know they do a whole lot of work for the Dept of Defense , and actually I wish those projects were rolled up under the Dept of Defense budget for more accurate accounting ( but that is another story ) .
That said , this is awesome and I hope this technology advances at the same pace as Moore 's Law</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else find this odd?
Is DoE the source of most medical research funding?
I know they do a whole lot of work for the Dept of Defense, and actually I wish those projects were rolled up under the Dept of Defense budget for more accurate accounting (but that is another story).
That said, this is awesome and I hope this technology advances at the same pace as Moore's Law</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204336</id>
	<title>let's hope</title>
	<author>hort\_wort</author>
	<datestamp>1266575040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Blind Shall See Again, But When?</p></div><p>Hopefully after you know who isn't on tv anymore!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Blind Shall See Again , But When ? Hopefully after you know who is n't on tv anymore !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Blind Shall See Again, But When?Hopefully after you know who isn't on tv anymore!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206406</id>
	<title>Re:For the visually-impaired computer user...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266586140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think DRM is bad now...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think DRM is bad now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think DRM is bad now...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203944</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Chameleon Man</author>
	<datestamp>1266573180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...Wait, you're serious? Why would you prevent people from <b>having the choice</b> to hear or see just to keep your "culture" intact?<br> <br>

I guess we should be upset with cars because they destroyed the horse-and-buggy culture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Wait , you 're serious ?
Why would you prevent people from having the choice to hear or see just to keep your " culture " intact ?
I guess we should be upset with cars because they destroyed the horse-and-buggy culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Wait, you're serious?
Why would you prevent people from having the choice to hear or see just to keep your "culture" intact?
I guess we should be upset with cars because they destroyed the horse-and-buggy culture.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203754</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204312</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>SOdhner</author>
	<datestamp>1266574920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>save the fried chicken jokes. EVERYONE LOVES FRIED CHICKEN</p></div><p>
Some people are born with impairments to their sense of taste which - incorrectly - makes them believe that fried chicken is not absolutely delicious.  Fortunately there is now a tongue implant that can correct this terrible condition.<br> <br>
The problem is that this may result in cultural genocide to tasteless people.  It is not thought to impact those with bad taste in partners, movies, etc. although god willing we may one day find a treatment for that as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>save the fried chicken jokes .
EVERYONE LOVES FRIED CHICKEN Some people are born with impairments to their sense of taste which - incorrectly - makes them believe that fried chicken is not absolutely delicious .
Fortunately there is now a tongue implant that can correct this terrible condition .
The problem is that this may result in cultural genocide to tasteless people .
It is not thought to impact those with bad taste in partners , movies , etc .
although god willing we may one day find a treatment for that as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>save the fried chicken jokes.
EVERYONE LOVES FRIED CHICKEN
Some people are born with impairments to their sense of taste which - incorrectly - makes them believe that fried chicken is not absolutely delicious.
Fortunately there is now a tongue implant that can correct this terrible condition.
The problem is that this may result in cultural genocide to tasteless people.
It is not thought to impact those with bad taste in partners, movies, etc.
although god willing we may one day find a treatment for that as well.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204048</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203762</id>
	<title>Holy hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They skipped right over the visor.  Science is beating Start Trek!  What would be cool is if they can have it detect UV and/or infrared, as long as it's not too hard for the human brain to comprehend.  Now all they need is the telescoping cornea like Geordi had in First Contact</htmltext>
<tokenext>They skipped right over the visor .
Science is beating Start Trek !
What would be cool is if they can have it detect UV and/or infrared , as long as it 's not too hard for the human brain to comprehend .
Now all they need is the telescoping cornea like Geordi had in First Contact</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They skipped right over the visor.
Science is beating Start Trek!
What would be cool is if they can have it detect UV and/or infrared, as long as it's not too hard for the human brain to comprehend.
Now all they need is the telescoping cornea like Geordi had in First Contact</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205210</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1266578640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, because, you know, depriving a person of access to beautiful creations like music and passionate verbal communication in the name of some misconstrued concept of culture identity is such a righteous cause.
<br> <br>
You, sir, are a jealous twat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because , you know , depriving a person of access to beautiful creations like music and passionate verbal communication in the name of some misconstrued concept of culture identity is such a righteous cause .
You , sir , are a jealous twat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because, you know, depriving a person of access to beautiful creations like music and passionate verbal communication in the name of some misconstrued concept of culture identity is such a righteous cause.
You, sir, are a jealous twat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203754</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204238</id>
	<title>Headlines from the future</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1266574500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>VGA resolution, cochlea implants? I can already see the headlines for ten years from now:
<p>
"Larry Laffer Virus Strikes Again!"
</p><p>
The Larry Laffer virus has taken its tenth victim in two days.
Mental hospitals are seeing a surge of new patients admitted
for hallucinations. The affected individuals report hearing
strange low grade synthesized music and talk incoherently about
lizards.
</p><p>
The common connection between the cases appears to be
a combination of cheap new electronic sight and hearing enhancements
introduced by Microsoft.
It appears that the internet enabled operating system which runs
the devices contains a notorious email program which acts as the
propagation vector.
</p><p>
Investigations are ongoing to find the Chinese script kiddie writer of the virus,
although some highly unreliable people in the industry suspect it may actually be a shadowy older Anglo-Saxon individual due to the particular choice of payload.
</p><p>
The Larry Laffer virus is not the first time physically challenged persons with combined sight and hearing enhancements have been targeted by virus writers. Last year, a number of schizophrenia cases were reported about individuals who claimed to see and hear the face of "Bob" hovering nearby. An court battle between the Church of the Subgenius and Microsoft is currently in progress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VGA resolution , cochlea implants ?
I can already see the headlines for ten years from now : " Larry Laffer Virus Strikes Again !
" The Larry Laffer virus has taken its tenth victim in two days .
Mental hospitals are seeing a surge of new patients admitted for hallucinations .
The affected individuals report hearing strange low grade synthesized music and talk incoherently about lizards .
The common connection between the cases appears to be a combination of cheap new electronic sight and hearing enhancements introduced by Microsoft .
It appears that the internet enabled operating system which runs the devices contains a notorious email program which acts as the propagation vector .
Investigations are ongoing to find the Chinese script kiddie writer of the virus , although some highly unreliable people in the industry suspect it may actually be a shadowy older Anglo-Saxon individual due to the particular choice of payload .
The Larry Laffer virus is not the first time physically challenged persons with combined sight and hearing enhancements have been targeted by virus writers .
Last year , a number of schizophrenia cases were reported about individuals who claimed to see and hear the face of " Bob " hovering nearby .
An court battle between the Church of the Subgenius and Microsoft is currently in progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VGA resolution, cochlea implants?
I can already see the headlines for ten years from now:

"Larry Laffer Virus Strikes Again!
"

The Larry Laffer virus has taken its tenth victim in two days.
Mental hospitals are seeing a surge of new patients admitted
for hallucinations.
The affected individuals report hearing
strange low grade synthesized music and talk incoherently about
lizards.
The common connection between the cases appears to be
a combination of cheap new electronic sight and hearing enhancements
introduced by Microsoft.
It appears that the internet enabled operating system which runs
the devices contains a notorious email program which acts as the
propagation vector.
Investigations are ongoing to find the Chinese script kiddie writer of the virus,
although some highly unreliable people in the industry suspect it may actually be a shadowy older Anglo-Saxon individual due to the particular choice of payload.
The Larry Laffer virus is not the first time physically challenged persons with combined sight and hearing enhancements have been targeted by virus writers.
Last year, a number of schizophrenia cases were reported about individuals who claimed to see and hear the face of "Bob" hovering nearby.
An court battle between the Church of the Subgenius and Microsoft is currently in progress.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204796</id>
	<title>Re:New brain router needed</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1266576780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>About as trivial as rewiring a microchip. Unless you are <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c\_id=5&amp;objectid=10625082&amp;pnum=0" title="nzherald.co.nz">this guy</a> [nzherald.co.nz] I don't think it is all that trivial.</htmltext>
<tokenext>About as trivial as rewiring a microchip .
Unless you are this guy [ nzherald.co.nz ] I do n't think it is all that trivial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About as trivial as rewiring a microchip.
Unless you are this guy [nzherald.co.nz] I don't think it is all that trivial.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204214</id>
	<title>What I want is chicken eyes.</title>
	<author>telomerewhythere</author>
	<datestamp>1266574380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read the link, (I know, I must be new here)  fascinating stuff.  It is for people still with undamaged nerve ganglia. But I wonder about gene therapy.  I imagine that could possibly be better.  There has been some success in injections, like described <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/09/16/2236206/Gene-Therapy-Cures-Color-Blind-Monkeys?art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</a> [slashdot.org]
</p><p>I read something recently about a chicken's eye and how it differs from a human's.  Here's the <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100216101159.htm" title="sciencedaily.com" rel="nofollow">link</a> [sciencedaily.com]  Short version:  sharp color vision across the field of view and extra cones to see violet/uv, and double cones to see movement.
</p><p>Could a person who has AMD get an injection of cone/rod dna/proteins in their eye and get regeneration?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the link , ( I know , I must be new here ) fascinating stuff .
It is for people still with undamaged nerve ganglia .
But I wonder about gene therapy .
I imagine that could possibly be better .
There has been some success in injections , like described here on / .
[ slashdot.org ] I read something recently about a chicken 's eye and how it differs from a human 's .
Here 's the link [ sciencedaily.com ] Short version : sharp color vision across the field of view and extra cones to see violet/uv , and double cones to see movement .
Could a person who has AMD get an injection of cone/rod dna/proteins in their eye and get regeneration ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the link, (I know, I must be new here)  fascinating stuff.
It is for people still with undamaged nerve ganglia.
But I wonder about gene therapy.
I imagine that could possibly be better.
There has been some success in injections, like described here on /.
[slashdot.org]
I read something recently about a chicken's eye and how it differs from a human's.
Here's the link [sciencedaily.com]  Short version:  sharp color vision across the field of view and extra cones to see violet/uv, and double cones to see movement.
Could a person who has AMD get an injection of cone/rod dna/proteins in their eye and get regeneration?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31209898</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1266679800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I work in Visual Prosthetics.Here's the thing with any sort of augmented vision: there's no way you can justify the risks of implantation when a fully external device that shows whatever mapped, morphed, or manipulated version of vision will work as well or better.If you have normal sight, or even nearly normal sight, then why have an implant that carries significant risk, will be large and potentially painful for some time to come, will require frequent recharging, will be expensive as getout, when you can</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in Visual Prosthetics.Here 's the thing with any sort of augmented vision : there 's no way you can justify the risks of implantation when a fully external device that shows whatever mapped , morphed , or manipulated version of vision will work as well or better.If you have normal sight , or even nearly normal sight , then why have an implant that carries significant risk , will be large and potentially painful for some time to come , will require frequent recharging , will be expensive as getout , when you can</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in Visual Prosthetics.Here's the thing with any sort of augmented vision: there's no way you can justify the risks of implantation when a fully external device that shows whatever mapped, morphed, or manipulated version of vision will work as well or better.If you have normal sight, or even nearly normal sight, then why have an implant that carries significant risk, will be large and potentially painful for some time to come, will require frequent recharging, will be expensive as getout, when you can
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204296</id>
	<title>URL Shorteners</title>
	<author>emkyooess</author>
	<datestamp>1266574860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we not use bit.ly and other URL shorteners on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.?  There's no need to.  They're harmful, actually.  Thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we not use bit.ly and other URL shorteners on /. ?
There 's no need to .
They 're harmful , actually .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we not use bit.ly and other URL shorteners on /.?
There's no need to.
They're harmful, actually.
Thanks!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204718</id>
	<title>Re:DoE?</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1266576480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well *someone* has to replace everyone's retinas when one of the nuke reactors melts down and causes a nuclear explosion leading to the "flash of death" which will be suffered by millions...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well * someone * has to replace everyone 's retinas when one of the nuke reactors melts down and causes a nuclear explosion leading to the " flash of death " which will be suffered by millions.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well *someone* has to replace everyone's retinas when one of the nuke reactors melts down and causes a nuclear explosion leading to the "flash of death" which will be suffered by millions...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203706</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203840</id>
	<title>astroturfing slashvertisement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is an ad for the movie repomen.  It's set in the future world where people can buy an artificial heart, kidney, eyes, liver, etc.  And if you don't make your monthly payments, Jude Law will forcefully remove your body part.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is an ad for the movie repomen .
It 's set in the future world where people can buy an artificial heart , kidney , eyes , liver , etc .
And if you do n't make your monthly payments , Jude Law will forcefully remove your body part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is an ad for the movie repomen.
It's set in the future world where people can buy an artificial heart, kidney, eyes, liver, etc.
And if you don't make your monthly payments, Jude Law will forcefully remove your body part.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203686</id>
	<title>For the visually-impaired computer user...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try working on a VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort/whatever input, too. Bypass monitors altogether.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try working on a VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort/whatever input , too .
Bypass monitors altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try working on a VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort/whatever input, too.
Bypass monitors altogether.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204816</id>
	<title>The artificial human eye...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...can't really see anything faster than about 30 FPS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...ca n't really see anything faster than about 30 FPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...can't really see anything faster than about 30 FPS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204262</id>
	<title>Re:Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>HeckRuler</author>
	<datestamp>1266574680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and millimeter wave vision options</p></div><p>Pervert.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and millimeter wave vision optionsPervert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and millimeter wave vision optionsPervert.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203798</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205430</id>
	<title>Bah humbug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266579840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Already it has been successful in over a dozen test patients, but at resolutions too low for doing much more than proving the concept.</p><p>Yes, I'm sure all the recipients were bitterly disappointed at, you know, being only able to experience very low quality vision for the first time in many years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Already it has been successful in over a dozen test patients , but at resolutions too low for doing much more than proving the concept.Yes , I 'm sure all the recipients were bitterly disappointed at , you know , being only able to experience very low quality vision for the first time in many years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Already it has been successful in over a dozen test patients, but at resolutions too low for doing much more than proving the concept.Yes, I'm sure all the recipients were bitterly disappointed at, you know, being only able to experience very low quality vision for the first time in many years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204334</id>
	<title>Re:Optical nerve still needed.</title>
	<author>telomerewhythere</author>
	<datestamp>1266575040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just two days ago I saw a dog with one functioning leg.  It was incredibly sad and a little funny at the same time.  It didn't seem that he was in pain, but to get around he jumped forward or sideways with its one functioning front leg.  the other front leg was held sideways as if in a sling.  I so wanted to take a picture or video, but the owner of the dog was facing me the whole time I could have gotten my phone out.  The only problem was that he made up for his disability in mobility with barks.
</p><p>The owner is looking for a wheelchair for him.   I have seen paraplegic wheelchaired (word?) dogs before playing fetch.  Seem pretty happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just two days ago I saw a dog with one functioning leg .
It was incredibly sad and a little funny at the same time .
It did n't seem that he was in pain , but to get around he jumped forward or sideways with its one functioning front leg .
the other front leg was held sideways as if in a sling .
I so wanted to take a picture or video , but the owner of the dog was facing me the whole time I could have gotten my phone out .
The only problem was that he made up for his disability in mobility with barks .
The owner is looking for a wheelchair for him .
I have seen paraplegic wheelchaired ( word ?
) dogs before playing fetch .
Seem pretty happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just two days ago I saw a dog with one functioning leg.
It was incredibly sad and a little funny at the same time.
It didn't seem that he was in pain, but to get around he jumped forward or sideways with its one functioning front leg.
the other front leg was held sideways as if in a sling.
I so wanted to take a picture or video, but the owner of the dog was facing me the whole time I could have gotten my phone out.
The only problem was that he made up for his disability in mobility with barks.
The owner is looking for a wheelchair for him.
I have seen paraplegic wheelchaired (word?
) dogs before playing fetch.
Seem pretty happy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203934</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204722</id>
	<title>Re:Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>MrTester</author>
	<datestamp>1266576540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not necisarily true.<br>A stoke (I think this is right, although I may have muddled medical terms)is a blood clot or plaque breaking off and getting lodged somewhere that does damage. Typically its the brain, but not always.<br>My father in law recently had this happen and had a "stoke in his eye" which left one eye damaged and useless, but the brain is fine.<br>This sounds like what the parent is talking about IF "no perception on one side of his body" is just visual perception and not feeling as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not necisarily true.A stoke ( I think this is right , although I may have muddled medical terms ) is a blood clot or plaque breaking off and getting lodged somewhere that does damage .
Typically its the brain , but not always.My father in law recently had this happen and had a " stoke in his eye " which left one eye damaged and useless , but the brain is fine.This sounds like what the parent is talking about IF " no perception on one side of his body " is just visual perception and not feeling as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not necisarily true.A stoke (I think this is right, although I may have muddled medical terms)is a blood clot or plaque breaking off and getting lodged somewhere that does damage.
Typically its the brain, but not always.My father in law recently had this happen and had a "stoke in his eye" which left one eye damaged and useless, but the brain is fine.This sounds like what the parent is talking about IF "no perception on one side of his body" is just visual perception and not feeling as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203890</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31208334</id>
	<title>Re:URL Shorteners</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266608580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you! I was going to post the same thing.<br>I like to screen links before I click them, url-shorteners make that impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you !
I was going to post the same thing.I like to screen links before I click them , url-shorteners make that impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you!
I was going to post the same thing.I like to screen links before I click them, url-shorteners make that impossible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204296</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204482</id>
	<title>Re:Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>ZuchinniOne</author>
	<datestamp>1266575700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately a retinal implant won't help in this situation.  However depending on where the stroke was there are other options such as thalamic and cortical implants.</p><p>Unfortunately they carry more risks and generally don't provide much resolution.</p><p>If the stroke included areas in V1 (primary visual cortex) then there really isn't anything that can be done.</p><p>My condolences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately a retinal implant wo n't help in this situation .
However depending on where the stroke was there are other options such as thalamic and cortical implants.Unfortunately they carry more risks and generally do n't provide much resolution.If the stroke included areas in V1 ( primary visual cortex ) then there really is n't anything that can be done.My condolences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately a retinal implant won't help in this situation.
However depending on where the stroke was there are other options such as thalamic and cortical implants.Unfortunately they carry more risks and generally don't provide much resolution.If the stroke included areas in V1 (primary visual cortex) then there really isn't anything that can be done.My condolences.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205072</id>
	<title>Frame rate?</title>
	<author>BoppreH</author>
	<datestamp>1266578040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A normal human eye has (almost) no frame rate limit since all cells are asynchronous, but this one appears to rely on a single video camera.<br> <br>I wonder if the severely reduced frame rate perception will have any side effects, such as not being able to tell an object's speed or detecting subtle vibrations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A normal human eye has ( almost ) no frame rate limit since all cells are asynchronous , but this one appears to rely on a single video camera .
I wonder if the severely reduced frame rate perception will have any side effects , such as not being able to tell an object 's speed or detecting subtle vibrations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A normal human eye has (almost) no frame rate limit since all cells are asynchronous, but this one appears to rely on a single video camera.
I wonder if the severely reduced frame rate perception will have any side effects, such as not being able to tell an object's speed or detecting subtle vibrations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205500</id>
	<title>Re:You think it won't happen ...</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1266580260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... in military application? Robo-cops, emergency responders, and others of similar categories of future application will most definitely benefit from advanced imaging.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Of course they already do HUDs, monacles, IR goggles, binoculars, eyeglasses.
</p><p>
What improvements are <i>not</i> covered by any of the above?
</p><p>
Ripping out something that works for replacement would be a huge leap,and I don't see sufficient reason to do so.  Our eyes already have <i>ample</i> bandwidth to saturate our brains.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... in military application ?
Robo-cops , emergency responders , and others of similar categories of future application will most definitely benefit from advanced imaging .
Of course they already do HUDs , monacles , IR goggles , binoculars , eyeglasses .
What improvements are not covered by any of the above ?
Ripping out something that works for replacement would be a huge leap,and I do n't see sufficient reason to do so .
Our eyes already have ample bandwidth to saturate our brains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... in military application?
Robo-cops, emergency responders, and others of similar categories of future application will most definitely benefit from advanced imaging.
Of course they already do HUDs, monacles, IR goggles, binoculars, eyeglasses.
What improvements are not covered by any of the above?
Ripping out something that works for replacement would be a huge leap,and I don't see sufficient reason to do so.
Our eyes already have ample bandwidth to saturate our brains.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206048</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Doctor Faustus</author>
	<datestamp>1266583440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture. Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture. It's cultural genocide</i><br>No, genocide requires actually killing people.  I don't understand where people get the idea that cultures have rights other than the rights of the people in them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture .
Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture .
It 's cultural genocideNo , genocide requires actually killing people .
I do n't understand where people get the idea that cultures have rights other than the rights of the people in them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cochlear implants have basically destroyed deaf culture.
Retinal implants will do the same thing for blind culture.
It's cultural genocideNo, genocide requires actually killing people.
I don't understand where people get the idea that cultures have rights other than the rights of the people in them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206170</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>Shadow of Eternity</author>
	<datestamp>1266584100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually they showed his view a few times and it looked like (as the sibling AC posted) he could see outside the normal spectrum by just shifting his perception up and down, or shifting how something was rendered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually they showed his view a few times and it looked like ( as the sibling AC posted ) he could see outside the normal spectrum by just shifting his perception up and down , or shifting how something was rendered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually they showed his view a few times and it looked like (as the sibling AC posted) he could see outside the normal spectrum by just shifting his perception up and down, or shifting how something was rendered.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204902</id>
	<title>Re:Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>BigSlowTarget</author>
	<datestamp>1266577140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possible approach:  I proposed this to a variety of people and was never able to get funding.  Maybe it can help your Dad.  Let me know if it does. It's cheap (especially compared to medical devices), relatively easy and doesn't require surgery.  Please feel free to make a single one for home use, but I do reserve all commercial rights.</p><p>Take a low res B&amp;W camera<br>Use an aduino or even palmtop to further lower the image quality to match the x by y of the 'display' you're going to make<br>Output the image via appropriate switching transistors and at appropriate amperages to a matrix of individual loops of nicrome wire.<br>Add a pad over the top of the wire to prevent accidental burns.<br>Stick the pad to your chest, arm or stomach<br>For the matrix black is on,  white is off.  For you hot is black, cool is white.</p><p>It will take a bit of time to get used to, but with it you get low-res sight via variation in skin temperature for less than $200.    Point the camera in different directions and you can 'feel' what's there, including behind you.</p><p>If you need more details email me, the approach has been wildly abbreviated to fit into a slashdot post. - Its s h i p p i n g (at) proboticsamerica (dot) com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possible approach : I proposed this to a variety of people and was never able to get funding .
Maybe it can help your Dad .
Let me know if it does .
It 's cheap ( especially compared to medical devices ) , relatively easy and does n't require surgery .
Please feel free to make a single one for home use , but I do reserve all commercial rights.Take a low res B&amp;W cameraUse an aduino or even palmtop to further lower the image quality to match the x by y of the 'display ' you 're going to makeOutput the image via appropriate switching transistors and at appropriate amperages to a matrix of individual loops of nicrome wire.Add a pad over the top of the wire to prevent accidental burns.Stick the pad to your chest , arm or stomachFor the matrix black is on , white is off .
For you hot is black , cool is white.It will take a bit of time to get used to , but with it you get low-res sight via variation in skin temperature for less than $ 200 .
Point the camera in different directions and you can 'feel ' what 's there , including behind you.If you need more details email me , the approach has been wildly abbreviated to fit into a slashdot post .
- Its s h i p p i n g ( at ) proboticsamerica ( dot ) com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possible approach:  I proposed this to a variety of people and was never able to get funding.
Maybe it can help your Dad.
Let me know if it does.
It's cheap (especially compared to medical devices), relatively easy and doesn't require surgery.
Please feel free to make a single one for home use, but I do reserve all commercial rights.Take a low res B&amp;W cameraUse an aduino or even palmtop to further lower the image quality to match the x by y of the 'display' you're going to makeOutput the image via appropriate switching transistors and at appropriate amperages to a matrix of individual loops of nicrome wire.Add a pad over the top of the wire to prevent accidental burns.Stick the pad to your chest, arm or stomachFor the matrix black is on,  white is off.
For you hot is black, cool is white.It will take a bit of time to get used to, but with it you get low-res sight via variation in skin temperature for less than $200.
Point the camera in different directions and you can 'feel' what's there, including behind you.If you need more details email me, the approach has been wildly abbreviated to fit into a slashdot post.
- Its s h i p p i n g (at) proboticsamerica (dot) com</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203684</id>
	<title>nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they achieve VGA resolution, it's a steady road to full vision for the blind. I'm more interested in, at this point, exceeding human abilities. Think of the case of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High\_dynamic\_range\_imaging" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">HDR imaging</a> [wikipedia.org] -- we currently don't have monitors (most of us at least) that are high dynamic range themselves, so images have to be "tone-mapped" to the dynamic range of our monitors, which often results in those <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/hdr/" title="flickr.com" rel="nofollow">ridiculously sharp but somewhat "unrealistic"</a> [flickr.com] pictures you see on Flickr.
<p>It would be cool if, say, the IR spectrum or just more dynamic range in the visible spectrum could be tone-mapped to human perception in this way, resulting in perceptually sharper images by way of a direct retinal implant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they achieve VGA resolution , it 's a steady road to full vision for the blind .
I 'm more interested in , at this point , exceeding human abilities .
Think of the case of HDR imaging [ wikipedia.org ] -- we currently do n't have monitors ( most of us at least ) that are high dynamic range themselves , so images have to be " tone-mapped " to the dynamic range of our monitors , which often results in those ridiculously sharp but somewhat " unrealistic " [ flickr.com ] pictures you see on Flickr .
It would be cool if , say , the IR spectrum or just more dynamic range in the visible spectrum could be tone-mapped to human perception in this way , resulting in perceptually sharper images by way of a direct retinal implant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they achieve VGA resolution, it's a steady road to full vision for the blind.
I'm more interested in, at this point, exceeding human abilities.
Think of the case of HDR imaging [wikipedia.org] -- we currently don't have monitors (most of us at least) that are high dynamic range themselves, so images have to be "tone-mapped" to the dynamic range of our monitors, which often results in those ridiculously sharp but somewhat "unrealistic" [flickr.com] pictures you see on Flickr.
It would be cool if, say, the IR spectrum or just more dynamic range in the visible spectrum could be tone-mapped to human perception in this way, resulting in perceptually sharper images by way of a direct retinal implant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204284</id>
	<title>Re:You think it won't happen ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266574740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What i'm surprised at is this doesn't appear to have come from military research.<br>You'd think something like this would have been high in the priority list of enhancements.<br>I guess IR / NV / UV headsets were just more efficient use of money and time.</p><p>There is that other one that sounded quite promising and wouldn't require surgery, the device that just gets placed on to the tongue.<br>I believe this one was actually being looked in to by the military.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What i 'm surprised at is this does n't appear to have come from military research.You 'd think something like this would have been high in the priority list of enhancements.I guess IR / NV / UV headsets were just more efficient use of money and time.There is that other one that sounded quite promising and would n't require surgery , the device that just gets placed on to the tongue.I believe this one was actually being looked in to by the military .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What i'm surprised at is this doesn't appear to have come from military research.You'd think something like this would have been high in the priority list of enhancements.I guess IR / NV / UV headsets were just more efficient use of money and time.There is that other one that sounded quite promising and wouldn't require surgery, the device that just gets placed on to the tongue.I believe this one was actually being looked in to by the military.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31204306</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266574920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>320x200 8 bits.  Life would be a game of Doom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>320x200 8 bits .
Life would be a game of Doom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>320x200 8 bits.
Life would be a game of Doom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203960</id>
	<title>Re:This is BAD BAD BAD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see it as cultural genocide because it's not really forced - nor is there any reason to artificially maintain a culture that is falling apart on its own.  If less people are blind, there may be less blind culture, but it's not being attacked, really.<br> <br> <br>It's certainly unfortunate for the people who can't be helped by advances such as this and then have less of a culture to work within, but that's no reason to stand in the way of new technologies.  Eventually - hopefully - something like this will be available to everyone who is blind or deaf no matter the original cause.  Even then there will be some that refuse the treatment, but that's their choice.<br> <br> <br>Cultures change, and sometimes they go away.  It happens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see it as cultural genocide because it 's not really forced - nor is there any reason to artificially maintain a culture that is falling apart on its own .
If less people are blind , there may be less blind culture , but it 's not being attacked , really .
It 's certainly unfortunate for the people who ca n't be helped by advances such as this and then have less of a culture to work within , but that 's no reason to stand in the way of new technologies .
Eventually - hopefully - something like this will be available to everyone who is blind or deaf no matter the original cause .
Even then there will be some that refuse the treatment , but that 's their choice .
Cultures change , and sometimes they go away .
It happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see it as cultural genocide because it's not really forced - nor is there any reason to artificially maintain a culture that is falling apart on its own.
If less people are blind, there may be less blind culture, but it's not being attacked, really.
It's certainly unfortunate for the people who can't be helped by advances such as this and then have less of a culture to work within, but that's no reason to stand in the way of new technologies.
Eventually - hopefully - something like this will be available to everyone who is blind or deaf no matter the original cause.
Even then there will be some that refuse the treatment, but that's their choice.
Cultures change, and sometimes they go away.
It happens.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31265392</id>
	<title>really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265108700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>read the oliver sacks essay about restoring sight to a blind man. the eyes worked, but the guy's brain had *no clue* what the information *meant*, and couldn't interpret a tree's canopy and trunk as two parts of the same entity. have to replace the retinas before the person has been blind for too long, maybe? or will brain-rewiring be part of the procedure?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>read the oliver sacks essay about restoring sight to a blind man .
the eyes worked , but the guy 's brain had * no clue * what the information * meant * , and could n't interpret a tree 's canopy and trunk as two parts of the same entity .
have to replace the retinas before the person has been blind for too long , maybe ?
or will brain-rewiring be part of the procedure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>read the oliver sacks essay about restoring sight to a blind man.
the eyes worked, but the guy's brain had *no clue* what the information *meant*, and couldn't interpret a tree's canopy and trunk as two parts of the same entity.
have to replace the retinas before the person has been blind for too long, maybe?
or will brain-rewiring be part of the procedure?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31206254</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>kerrbear</author>
	<datestamp>1266584520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But at least the whole setup is internal so it  won't look like you're wearing a hairclip on your face.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But at least the whole setup is internal so it wo n't look like you 're wearing a hairclip on your face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But at least the whole setup is internal so it  won't look like you're wearing a hairclip on your face.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205204</id>
	<title>Re:nevermind the blind -- bring on the androids</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1266578580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Outside of search &amp; rescue, the military, and research, would seeing beyond the visible range of light be useful enough to warrant implants that are probably twice as large?  And what would be the risks associated with overclocking the optic nerve and occipital lobe?  It's not like we even really process that much of what our eyes "see" anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Outside of search &amp; rescue , the military , and research , would seeing beyond the visible range of light be useful enough to warrant implants that are probably twice as large ?
And what would be the risks associated with overclocking the optic nerve and occipital lobe ?
It 's not like we even really process that much of what our eyes " see " anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outside of search &amp; rescue, the military, and research, would seeing beyond the visible range of light be useful enough to warrant implants that are probably twice as large?
And what would be the risks associated with overclocking the optic nerve and occipital lobe?
It's not like we even really process that much of what our eyes "see" anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205154</id>
	<title>Re:DoE?</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1266578400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eliminating the need for artificial lighting = 38+\% of all energy usage gone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eliminating the need for artificial lighting = 38 + \ % of all energy usage gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eliminating the need for artificial lighting = 38+\% of all energy usage gone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31203732</id>
	<title>Blindness Sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.</p><p>All I have been thinking about the last month is how to do something like this, set up something that can do motion detection and help him avoid collisions.</p><p>You know, I would go for low resolution versus no resolution right now.</p><p>M</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.All I have been thinking about the last month is how to do something like this , set up something that can do motion detection and help him avoid collisions.You know , I would go for low resolution versus no resolution right now.M</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Dad just had a stroke and has no perception on the left side of his body.All I have been thinking about the last month is how to do something like this, set up something that can do motion detection and help him avoid collisions.You know, I would go for low resolution versus no resolution right now.M</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205862</id>
	<title>Re:Commercialisation</title>
	<author>jackchance</author>
	<datestamp>1266582360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is standard practice.  Government grants fund basic and applied research.  Scientists get patents based on these discoveries which benefits the scientists and the host institutions and the venture capital companies which commercialize the discoveries.  The government collects taxes.  Sounds like a reasonable deal to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is standard practice .
Government grants fund basic and applied research .
Scientists get patents based on these discoveries which benefits the scientists and the host institutions and the venture capital companies which commercialize the discoveries .
The government collects taxes .
Sounds like a reasonable deal to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is standard practice.
Government grants fund basic and applied research.
Scientists get patents based on these discoveries which benefits the scientists and the host institutions and the venture capital companies which commercialize the discoveries.
The government collects taxes.
Sounds like a reasonable deal to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_2031207.31205728</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, these are the same people who purposely choose to have deaf children, because they want to relate to their kids.</p><p>That's the social difference between deaf and blind people.  Deafness isn't a big enough impediment, so they take pride in it and think only being able to hear 16 bands of sound is worse than nothing.</p><p>Blindness just screws you over, so the blind are ecstatic to get outlines of light and dark. This is why hearing implants are developing so slowly compared to vision implants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , these are the same people who purposely choose to have deaf children , because they want to relate to their kids.That 's the social difference between deaf and blind people .
Deafness is n't a big enough impediment , so they take pride in it and think only being able to hear 16 bands of sound is worse than nothing.Blindness just screws you over , so the blind are ecstatic to get outlines of light and dark .
This is why hearing implants are developing so slowly compared to vision implants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, these are the same people who purposely choose to have deaf children, because they want to relate to their kids.That's the social difference between deaf and blind people.
Deafness isn't a big enough impediment, so they take pride in it and think only being able to hear 16 bands of sound is worse than nothing.Blindness just screws you over, so the blind are ecstatic to get outlines of light and dark.
This is why hearing implants are developing so slowly compared to vision implants.</sentencetext>
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