<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_19_008216</id>
	<title>Switzerland Pursues Violent Games Ban</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266603600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>BanjoTed writes <i>"We hear lots about the issues facing violent games in Australia, but the anti-games bandwagon is gathering pace closer to home &mdash; in Switzerland, to be precise. The Swiss government is <a href="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/37599/Switzerland-pursues-violent-games-ban">gearing up to consider a total ban on mature games in the country</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>BanjoTed writes " We hear lots about the issues facing violent games in Australia , but the anti-games bandwagon is gathering pace closer to home    in Switzerland , to be precise .
The Swiss government is gearing up to consider a total ban on mature games in the country .
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<sentencetext>BanjoTed writes "We hear lots about the issues facing violent games in Australia, but the anti-games bandwagon is gathering pace closer to home — in Switzerland, to be precise.
The Swiss government is gearing up to consider a total ban on mature games in the country.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198740</id>
	<title>If video games triggered real world behavior . . .</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1266592560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> . . . then shouldn't the NHL currently own the North American sports market, based on sales of NHL 94?</htmltext>
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then should n't the NHL currently own the North American sports market , based on sales of NHL 94 ?</tokentext>
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then shouldn't the NHL currently own the North American sports market, based on sales of NHL 94?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196860</id>
	<title>Too many schizophrenic-narcissist's  with Guns !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is good to know that they're banning violent video games.Men need an outlet to show their masculinity by proving that they're tough guys.Some of them are violent in the real world as well.Probably, these games sell because they want to prove that they're "macho" even though, most of them are domesticated.Does it make sense?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is good to know that they 're banning violent video games.Men need an outlet to show their masculinity by proving that they 're tough guys.Some of them are violent in the real world as well.Probably , these games sell because they want to prove that they 're " macho " even though , most of them are domesticated.Does it make sense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is good to know that they're banning violent video games.Men need an outlet to show their masculinity by proving that they're tough guys.Some of them are violent in the real world as well.Probably, these games sell because they want to prove that they're "macho" even though, most of them are domesticated.Does it make sense?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198346</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1266590160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rinminds me of when I was young, I was too young to go to a movie, so I just bought the book. When I was older, I saw the movie and what was written in the book was much more non-16 year old then the movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rinminds me of when I was young , I was too young to go to a movie , so I just bought the book .
When I was older , I saw the movie and what was written in the book was much more non-16 year old then the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rinminds me of when I was young, I was too young to go to a movie, so I just bought the book.
When I was older, I saw the movie and what was written in the book was much more non-16 year old then the movie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196420</id>
	<title>Stopping virtual violence should take a back seat</title>
	<author>Schafer</author>
	<datestamp>1266611220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...to preventing real violence.

Thank goodness the Swiss are taking care of that too. Soon shrub assault will be a thing of the past as they codify <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122359549477921201.html" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">plants' rights</a> [wsj.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>...to preventing real violence .
Thank goodness the Swiss are taking care of that too .
Soon shrub assault will be a thing of the past as they codify plants ' rights [ wsj.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...to preventing real violence.
Thank goodness the Swiss are taking care of that too.
Soon shrub assault will be a thing of the past as they codify plants' rights [wsj.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196574</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266570000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose you'd prefer that your children are exposed to real violence instead.  With the loss of rights you can be assured they will, either because the people grow a backbone, or because the government isn't satisfied with their mere kingly tax.</p><p>As with most laws effecting individual rights, this will serve to oppress legitimate use more than anything.  Your unreasonable rules will push your children into finding themselves another male role model, and your naive view of violence will push them to a more enlightened perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose you 'd prefer that your children are exposed to real violence instead .
With the loss of rights you can be assured they will , either because the people grow a backbone , or because the government is n't satisfied with their mere kingly tax.As with most laws effecting individual rights , this will serve to oppress legitimate use more than anything .
Your unreasonable rules will push your children into finding themselves another male role model , and your naive view of violence will push them to a more enlightened perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose you'd prefer that your children are exposed to real violence instead.
With the loss of rights you can be assured they will, either because the people grow a backbone, or because the government isn't satisfied with their mere kingly tax.As with most laws effecting individual rights, this will serve to oppress legitimate use more than anything.
Your unreasonable rules will push your children into finding themselves another male role model, and your naive view of violence will push them to a more enlightened perspective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197480</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>HungryHobo</author>
	<datestamp>1266580680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great idea.<br>If it's a crime it can't be the subject of a video game.</p><p>Any super hero game is out since it encourages vigilante behaviour which is a serious crime.</p><p>Uplink should be banned because it has the player commit serious crimes like breaking into computer systems without their owners consent.</p><p>Commander keen is out since obviously he flew without a pilots liscence while underage (encouraging kids to joy ride), operated firearms without a liscence(unless 8 year olde are commonly issued liscences for powerful weapons) and murdered large numbers of animals with no consideration for proper methods of humane slaughter.</p><p>Pacman is out since it encourages kids to consume pills which haven't been proscribed to them.</p><p>Dwarf fortress is out since it allows genocide, torture, theft and flooding of populated towns with magma.</p><p>The whole point of games is that they allow you to do things which would not be allowed in real life.<br>I don't know about you but I wouldn't find "Accountancy: The Game" much fun.<br>Similarly "Complying with building code regulations" is far less fun that lego.<br>"Turning found large qantities of cash into the proper authorities to see if anyone claims it" is far less fun than rogue.</p><p>Why limit it to computer games.<br>Any children playing guns with pieces of wood should be forcibly stopped from playing games in which they act out doing illegal things like kill people.<br>The blocks of wood should be confiscated and replaced with math books so that they can become productive members of society.</p><p>The whole point of games is that they're not real life.</p><p>I've never stabbed anyone despite playing as an assasin in oblivion.<br>I've never shot anyone despite playing doom and GTA.<br>I've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdug</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great idea.If it 's a crime it ca n't be the subject of a video game.Any super hero game is out since it encourages vigilante behaviour which is a serious crime.Uplink should be banned because it has the player commit serious crimes like breaking into computer systems without their owners consent.Commander keen is out since obviously he flew without a pilots liscence while underage ( encouraging kids to joy ride ) , operated firearms without a liscence ( unless 8 year olde are commonly issued liscences for powerful weapons ) and murdered large numbers of animals with no consideration for proper methods of humane slaughter.Pacman is out since it encourages kids to consume pills which have n't been proscribed to them.Dwarf fortress is out since it allows genocide , torture , theft and flooding of populated towns with magma.The whole point of games is that they allow you to do things which would not be allowed in real life.I do n't know about you but I would n't find " Accountancy : The Game " much fun.Similarly " Complying with building code regulations " is far less fun that lego .
" Turning found large qantities of cash into the proper authorities to see if anyone claims it " is far less fun than rogue.Why limit it to computer games.Any children playing guns with pieces of wood should be forcibly stopped from playing games in which they act out doing illegal things like kill people.The blocks of wood should be confiscated and replaced with math books so that they can become productive members of society.The whole point of games is that they 're not real life.I 've never stabbed anyone despite playing as an assasin in oblivion.I 've never shot anyone despite playing doom and GTA.I 've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdug</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great idea.If it's a crime it can't be the subject of a video game.Any super hero game is out since it encourages vigilante behaviour which is a serious crime.Uplink should be banned because it has the player commit serious crimes like breaking into computer systems without their owners consent.Commander keen is out since obviously he flew without a pilots liscence while underage (encouraging kids to joy ride), operated firearms without a liscence(unless 8 year olde are commonly issued liscences for powerful weapons) and murdered large numbers of animals with no consideration for proper methods of humane slaughter.Pacman is out since it encourages kids to consume pills which haven't been proscribed to them.Dwarf fortress is out since it allows genocide, torture, theft and flooding of populated towns with magma.The whole point of games is that they allow you to do things which would not be allowed in real life.I don't know about you but I wouldn't find "Accountancy: The Game" much fun.Similarly "Complying with building code regulations" is far less fun that lego.
"Turning found large qantities of cash into the proper authorities to see if anyone claims it" is far less fun than rogue.Why limit it to computer games.Any children playing guns with pieces of wood should be forcibly stopped from playing games in which they act out doing illegal things like kill people.The blocks of wood should be confiscated and replaced with math books so that they can become productive members of society.The whole point of games is that they're not real life.I've never stabbed anyone despite playing as an assasin in oblivion.I've never shot anyone despite playing doom and GTA.I've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdug</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199872</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>gadget junkie</author>
	<datestamp>1266597960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a swiss I think that ban isn't solving the problem. We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.</p></div><p>That's Violent games release 1.1.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As a swiss I think that ban is n't solving the problem .
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.That 's Violent games release 1.1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a swiss I think that ban isn't solving the problem.
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.That's Violent games release 1.1.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198336</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266590040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wanna know what I got for christmas?  it was a banner year at the Bender household..</p><p>WHAT ABOUT YOU DAD!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wan na know what I got for christmas ?
it was a banner year at the Bender household..WHAT ABOUT YOU DAD ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wanna know what I got for christmas?
it was a banner year at the Bender household..WHAT ABOUT YOU DAD!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197380</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1266579360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about my nudity?</p><p>Can I be exposed to theirs?</p><p>After all, it's just the human body, right? Nothing to be ashamed about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about my nudity ? Can I be exposed to theirs ? After all , it 's just the human body , right ?
Nothing to be ashamed about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about my nudity?Can I be exposed to theirs?After all, it's just the human body, right?
Nothing to be ashamed about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196146</id>
	<title>Please send me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266521040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a free packet of Swiss Miss Cocoa, thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a free packet of Swiss Miss Cocoa , thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a free packet of Swiss Miss Cocoa, thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197694</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>16Chapel</author>
	<datestamp>1266583080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell my wife I said... Hello.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell my wife I said... Hello .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell my wife I said... Hello.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196190</id>
	<title>A great sign!</title>
	<author>Spazntwich</author>
	<datestamp>1266521700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With this focus by Swiss leadership on the dubious social dangers of simulated violence, we can at least take heart knowing they've found solutions to all other social issues with demonstrated negative impacts.</p><p>I'm so happy to live in a world with such pragmatic leaders. We can always count on politicians for intellectually honest debate of issues and good faith efforts to fix the problems they can.</p><p>So nice to sleep easy knowing that representatives the world over don't let themselves get bogged down in baseless populist hysteria or abuse the power they're given to manipulate economies such that wealth is redistributed to their buddies.</p><p>I don't know what we'd do without our honest, hard working politicians. May your silver spoons never tarnish, you captains of hypocrisy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With this focus by Swiss leadership on the dubious social dangers of simulated violence , we can at least take heart knowing they 've found solutions to all other social issues with demonstrated negative impacts.I 'm so happy to live in a world with such pragmatic leaders .
We can always count on politicians for intellectually honest debate of issues and good faith efforts to fix the problems they can.So nice to sleep easy knowing that representatives the world over do n't let themselves get bogged down in baseless populist hysteria or abuse the power they 're given to manipulate economies such that wealth is redistributed to their buddies.I do n't know what we 'd do without our honest , hard working politicians .
May your silver spoons never tarnish , you captains of hypocrisy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With this focus by Swiss leadership on the dubious social dangers of simulated violence, we can at least take heart knowing they've found solutions to all other social issues with demonstrated negative impacts.I'm so happy to live in a world with such pragmatic leaders.
We can always count on politicians for intellectually honest debate of issues and good faith efforts to fix the problems they can.So nice to sleep easy knowing that representatives the world over don't let themselves get bogged down in baseless populist hysteria or abuse the power they're given to manipulate economies such that wealth is redistributed to their buddies.I don't know what we'd do without our honest, hard working politicians.
May your silver spoons never tarnish, you captains of hypocrisy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200760</id>
	<title>Oh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266601800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...this must be an example of European Progressivism that American libtards are always celebrating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...this must be an example of European Progressivism that American libtards are always celebrating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...this must be an example of European Progressivism that American libtards are always celebrating.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196280</id>
	<title>amusing hypocrisy</title>
	<author>egokick</author>
	<datestamp>1266522840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's slightly amusing that anyone who disobeys the censor on violent video games will be quickly met with real violence from the very institution supposedly censoring all this violence for peoples safety.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's slightly amusing that anyone who disobeys the censor on violent video games will be quickly met with real violence from the very institution supposedly censoring all this violence for peoples safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's slightly amusing that anyone who disobeys the censor on violent video games will be quickly met with real violence from the very institution supposedly censoring all this violence for peoples safety.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201512</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1266605220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course it does. The majority preventing the minority from engaging in speechand religious practices they don't like doesn't magically become ok when it gets a "majority vote."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it does .
The majority preventing the minority from engaging in speechand religious practices they do n't like does n't magically become ok when it gets a " majority vote .
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<sentencetext>Of course it does.
The majority preventing the minority from engaging in speechand religious practices they don't like doesn't magically become ok when it gets a "majority vote.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196480</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266612060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech.</p></div><p>I am Swiss, and I don't agree with you. Besides, I fail to understand the relation between violent games and free speech. You must be American.</p><p>By the way, as a father of four, I gladly welcome any measure reducing the exposure of my kids to violent games. Just like I don't care if they are sometimes exposed to nudity. Again, I am not American...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech.I am Swiss , and I do n't agree with you .
Besides , I fail to understand the relation between violent games and free speech .
You must be American.By the way , as a father of four , I gladly welcome any measure reducing the exposure of my kids to violent games .
Just like I do n't care if they are sometimes exposed to nudity .
Again , I am not American.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech.I am Swiss, and I don't agree with you.
Besides, I fail to understand the relation between violent games and free speech.
You must be American.By the way, as a father of four, I gladly welcome any measure reducing the exposure of my kids to violent games.
Just like I don't care if they are sometimes exposed to nudity.
Again, I am not American...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31282746</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1267178340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could take the measure of raising your children properly if that's how you feel about it, rather than imposing your views on others.</p><p>The "speech" in free speech is normally defined more broadly than human vocal activity, and includes such things as artistic expression.</p><p>I fail to understand your closed-minded self-justifying attitude. You must be Swiss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could take the measure of raising your children properly if that 's how you feel about it , rather than imposing your views on others.The " speech " in free speech is normally defined more broadly than human vocal activity , and includes such things as artistic expression.I fail to understand your closed-minded self-justifying attitude .
You must be Swiss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could take the measure of raising your children properly if that's how you feel about it, rather than imposing your views on others.The "speech" in free speech is normally defined more broadly than human vocal activity, and includes such things as artistic expression.I fail to understand your closed-minded self-justifying attitude.
You must be Swiss.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196466</id>
	<title>Re:Watch those crime rates climb!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266611700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, I have to fill my daily killing quota somehow, pwning low level noobs in wow has done it for me so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , I have to fill my daily killing quota somehow , pwning low level noobs in wow has done it for me so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, I have to fill my daily killing quota somehow, pwning low level noobs in wow has done it for me so far.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196388</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1266610740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech. Very little regard for things that are unpopular or disliked and has an aging, reactionary voter base. Frankly, I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html</a> [nytimes.com] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights. This? This is small potatoes.</p></div><p>How's not being allowed to build a tower (or four) a violation of human rights ? God won't listen if you've got a flat roof ? This is much more serious since these games are played in the confines of your own home by adults not bothering anyone else.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech .
Very little regard for things that are unpopular or disliked and has an aging , reactionary voter base .
Frankly , I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year .
http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html [ nytimes.com ] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights .
This ? This is small potatoes.How 's not being allowed to build a tower ( or four ) a violation of human rights ?
God wo n't listen if you 've got a flat roof ?
This is much more serious since these games are played in the confines of your own home by adults not bothering anyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech.
Very little regard for things that are unpopular or disliked and has an aging, reactionary voter base.
Frankly, I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html [nytimes.com] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights.
This? This is small potatoes.How's not being allowed to build a tower (or four) a violation of human rights ?
God won't listen if you've got a flat roof ?
This is much more serious since these games are played in the confines of your own home by adults not bothering anyone else.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198776</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1266592740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody? Lots of people did and do scream outrage over those things, certainly here on Slashdot, just search for recent stories.</p><p><i>Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).</i></p><p>Why should it be different for games, to other media? Jack Baeur commits serious crimes on <i>24</i> - does this mean it should be illegal to play him in the computer game?</p><p>Note that this wouldn't include games that have caused an uproar (e.g., there was some recent game where you <i>could</i> shoot civilians, which caused people to whine, but AFAIK you weren't actually required to).</p><p>And how would that work for war and strategy games, where something would count as illegal under international law - e.g., Civilization 3, where I'm required to invade random other countries for oil?</p><p><i>Why aren't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that aren't quite as destructive?</i></p><p>You do realise there are plenty of other genres than FPS? Obviously FPSs themselves involve shooting, that's kind of obligitary by definition...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody ?
Lots of people did and do scream outrage over those things , certainly here on Slashdot , just search for recent stories.Personally , I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game ( by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes ) .Why should it be different for games , to other media ?
Jack Baeur commits serious crimes on 24 - does this mean it should be illegal to play him in the computer game ? Note that this would n't include games that have caused an uproar ( e.g. , there was some recent game where you could shoot civilians , which caused people to whine , but AFAIK you were n't actually required to ) .And how would that work for war and strategy games , where something would count as illegal under international law - e.g. , Civilization 3 , where I 'm required to invade random other countries for oil ? Why are n't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that are n't quite as destructive ? You do realise there are plenty of other genres than FPS ?
Obviously FPSs themselves involve shooting , that 's kind of obligitary by definition.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody?
Lots of people did and do scream outrage over those things, certainly here on Slashdot, just search for recent stories.Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).Why should it be different for games, to other media?
Jack Baeur commits serious crimes on 24 - does this mean it should be illegal to play him in the computer game?Note that this wouldn't include games that have caused an uproar (e.g., there was some recent game where you could shoot civilians, which caused people to whine, but AFAIK you weren't actually required to).And how would that work for war and strategy games, where something would count as illegal under international law - e.g., Civilization 3, where I'm required to invade random other countries for oil?Why aren't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that aren't quite as destructive?You do realise there are plenty of other genres than FPS?
Obviously FPSs themselves involve shooting, that's kind of obligitary by definition...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196812</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1266573180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do they not ban all films, books, and CDs with content unsuitable for children as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do they not ban all films , books , and CDs with content unsuitable for children as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do they not ban all films, books, and CDs with content unsuitable for children as well?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197874</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>ElusiveJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1266585240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never understood why adult games should be banned. "Cuz gamez r for childr'n"? Here in Russia, there was an attempt to ban adult cartoons, with the same motivation "c-toons r for childr'n, Amerikka spoils our youth".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never understood why adult games should be banned .
" Cuz gamez r for childr'n " ?
Here in Russia , there was an attempt to ban adult cartoons , with the same motivation " c-toons r for childr'n , Amerikka spoils our youth " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never understood why adult games should be banned.
"Cuz gamez r for childr'n"?
Here in Russia, there was an attempt to ban adult cartoons, with the same motivation "c-toons r for childr'n, Amerikka spoils our youth".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196854</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Australian you instensitive clod!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lebanon isn't very far from Switzerland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lebanon is n't very far from Switzerland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lebanon isn't very far from Switzerland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196732</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266572220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Free speech has nothing to do with it. The ban on minarets was a majority vote. You may agree or disagree with it, but the people voted. Switzerland still remains the most democratic country on the planet. The "democratic republic" of the US, UK and Australia doesn't even come close to the pure democracy that Switzerland strives for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Free speech has nothing to do with it .
The ban on minarets was a majority vote .
You may agree or disagree with it , but the people voted .
Switzerland still remains the most democratic country on the planet .
The " democratic republic " of the US , UK and Australia does n't even come close to the pure democracy that Switzerland strives for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free speech has nothing to do with it.
The ban on minarets was a majority vote.
You may agree or disagree with it, but the people voted.
Switzerland still remains the most democratic country on the planet.
The "democratic republic" of the US, UK and Australia doesn't even come close to the pure democracy that Switzerland strives for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196382</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266610680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldn't you at least come up with an analogy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't you at least come up with an analogy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't you at least come up with an analogy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199216</id>
	<title>Sports Industry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266594780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, I guess this is a push from the sports industry.  Looks like if any illegal activities are banned from games, only thing left would be sports.</p><p>FPS?  Sure, but everything would be paintball.<br>Fighting?  Sure, but every match would be a boxing fight (or UFC...).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I guess this is a push from the sports industry .
Looks like if any illegal activities are banned from games , only thing left would be sports.FPS ?
Sure , but everything would be paintball.Fighting ?
Sure , but every match would be a boxing fight ( or UFC... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I guess this is a push from the sports industry.
Looks like if any illegal activities are banned from games, only thing left would be sports.FPS?
Sure, but everything would be paintball.Fighting?
Sure, but every match would be a boxing fight (or UFC...).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196844</id>
	<title>Closer to home ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only geographically closer to home. Switzerland isn't part of the EU, they just happen to be surrounded by it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only geographically closer to home .
Switzerland is n't part of the EU , they just happen to be surrounded by it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only geographically closer to home.
Switzerland isn't part of the EU, they just happen to be surrounded by it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196246</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>duk242</author>
	<datestamp>1266522420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like how you refer to Australia as some far away land....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how you refer to Australia as some far away land... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how you refer to Australia as some far away land....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196520</id>
	<title>It's just not fair</title>
	<author>Superdarion</author>
	<datestamp>1266612360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... that idiotic parents, that go out and buy their kids GTA I thru IV and then complain about videogame violence, are causing this kind of reactions all over the world. I mean sure, for now it's only 2 countries, but then others will follow the example.<br> <br>

Those parents need to be dealt with, because I agree that mature games are bad for kids! Parents need to learn about ratings and age restrictions! They need to THINK before buying their 8yo a game with hookers, violence and drugs. Make it mandatory to present an ID to buy mature games, just like with alcohol, cigarrettes and pornography. After that, it's all the parent's fault and they should be held responsible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... that idiotic parents , that go out and buy their kids GTA I thru IV and then complain about videogame violence , are causing this kind of reactions all over the world .
I mean sure , for now it 's only 2 countries , but then others will follow the example .
Those parents need to be dealt with , because I agree that mature games are bad for kids !
Parents need to learn about ratings and age restrictions !
They need to THINK before buying their 8yo a game with hookers , violence and drugs .
Make it mandatory to present an ID to buy mature games , just like with alcohol , cigarrettes and pornography .
After that , it 's all the parent 's fault and they should be held responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... that idiotic parents, that go out and buy their kids GTA I thru IV and then complain about videogame violence, are causing this kind of reactions all over the world.
I mean sure, for now it's only 2 countries, but then others will follow the example.
Those parents need to be dealt with, because I agree that mature games are bad for kids!
Parents need to learn about ratings and age restrictions!
They need to THINK before buying their 8yo a game with hookers, violence and drugs.
Make it mandatory to present an ID to buy mature games, just like with alcohol, cigarrettes and pornography.
After that, it's all the parent's fault and they should be held responsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196162</id>
	<title>I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266521160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some games are really bad, whether it be egregious content or age-inappropriate content.</p><p>But there's no need to get violent about it. A normal rational games ban would work just as well as a violent games ban.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some games are really bad , whether it be egregious content or age-inappropriate content.But there 's no need to get violent about it .
A normal rational games ban would work just as well as a violent games ban .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some games are really bad, whether it be egregious content or age-inappropriate content.But there's no need to get violent about it.
A normal rational games ban would work just as well as a violent games ban.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199964</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266598380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will get there in time. The Calvinists will start to burn heretics and Muslims once they have democratically decided to judge what other people should be thinking about. The more Calvin emphasizes in his writings that only God can judge people, the more Calvinists will emphasize that only they should judge people, in the spirit of the classic Christian opposite interpretation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will get there in time .
The Calvinists will start to burn heretics and Muslims once they have democratically decided to judge what other people should be thinking about .
The more Calvin emphasizes in his writings that only God can judge people , the more Calvinists will emphasize that only they should judge people , in the spirit of the classic Christian opposite interpretation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will get there in time.
The Calvinists will start to burn heretics and Muslims once they have democratically decided to judge what other people should be thinking about.
The more Calvin emphasizes in his writings that only God can judge people, the more Calvinists will emphasize that only they should judge people, in the spirit of the classic Christian opposite interpretation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199322</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>Shakrai</author>
	<datestamp>1266595260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.</p></div><p>What's wrong with that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.What 's wrong with that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.What's wrong with that?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196376</id>
	<title>Closer to home?</title>
	<author>srjh</author>
	<datestamp>1266610620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of us <i>are</i> Australian, funnily enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of us are Australian , funnily enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of us are Australian, funnily enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196198</id>
	<title>Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1266521700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech. Very little regard for things that are unpopular or disliked and has an aging, reactionary voter base. Frankly, I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html</a> [nytimes.com] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights. This? This is small potatoes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech .
Very little regard for things that are unpopular or disliked and has an aging , reactionary voter base .
Frankly , I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year .
http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html [ nytimes.com ] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights .
This ? This is small potatoes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech.
Very little regard for things that are unpopular or disliked and has an aging, reactionary voter base.
Frankly, I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html [nytimes.com] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights.
This? This is small potatoes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201602</id>
	<title>All your gold teeth are belong to us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266605520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Violent games are banned, but stashing Nazi gold and assisting in money laundering is still legal.</p><p>What else would you expect of the Swiss?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Violent games are banned , but stashing Nazi gold and assisting in money laundering is still legal.What else would you expect of the Swiss ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Violent games are banned, but stashing Nazi gold and assisting in money laundering is still legal.What else would you expect of the Swiss?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196682</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266571740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Switzerland has very little regard for free speech</p></div><p>Sure, because the next thing we strife for are your famous "Free Speech Zones". In fact, if you'd followed the vote over the ban on minarets you'd have seen it was more like our free speech backfired to embarrass us world-wide. Politicians didn't take it seriously enough to argue against, as it was another of the FUD campaigns of our swiss people's party.</p><p>It's not flattering. But the people have voted, and we've got to accept that.</p><p>Why does this guy get modded informative for spewing utter nonsense?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speechSure , because the next thing we strife for are your famous " Free Speech Zones " .
In fact , if you 'd followed the vote over the ban on minarets you 'd have seen it was more like our free speech backfired to embarrass us world-wide .
Politicians did n't take it seriously enough to argue against , as it was another of the FUD campaigns of our swiss people 's party.It 's not flattering .
But the people have voted , and we 've got to accept that.Why does this guy get modded informative for spewing utter nonsense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland has very little regard for free speechSure, because the next thing we strife for are your famous "Free Speech Zones".
In fact, if you'd followed the vote over the ban on minarets you'd have seen it was more like our free speech backfired to embarrass us world-wide.
Politicians didn't take it seriously enough to argue against, as it was another of the FUD campaigns of our swiss people's party.It's not flattering.
But the people have voted, and we've got to accept that.Why does this guy get modded informative for spewing utter nonsense?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196778</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>zarzu</author>
	<datestamp>1266572760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that's true, but i can assure you if it comes to a national vote we will not reject something like this, our current voter base is old and conservative.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's true , but i can assure you if it comes to a national vote we will not reject something like this , our current voter base is old and conservative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's true, but i can assure you if it comes to a national vote we will not reject something like this, our current voter base is old and conservative.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196142</id>
	<title>Er...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266520980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"We hear lots about the issues facing violent games in Australia, but the anti-games bandwagon is gathering pace closer to home &mdash; in Switzerland, to be precise."</p></div><p>Are you sure you don't live in <i>Austria?</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We hear lots about the issues facing violent games in Australia , but the anti-games bandwagon is gathering pace closer to home    in Switzerland , to be precise .
" Are you sure you do n't live in Austria ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We hear lots about the issues facing violent games in Australia, but the anti-games bandwagon is gathering pace closer to home — in Switzerland, to be precise.
"Are you sure you don't live in Austria?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196786</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>biovoid</author>
	<datestamp>1266572880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up. The so called "democracies" of the UK, US and Australia, which in reality are merely democratic republics, could learn a lot from Switzerland. The only country on the planet that truly represents a democracy of the people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up .
The so called " democracies " of the UK , US and Australia , which in reality are merely democratic republics , could learn a lot from Switzerland .
The only country on the planet that truly represents a democracy of the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up.
The so called "democracies" of the UK, US and Australia, which in reality are merely democratic republics, could learn a lot from Switzerland.
The only country on the planet that truly represents a democracy of the people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196436</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266611340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it is tucked away pretty far "down under" there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it is tucked away pretty far " down under " there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it is tucked away pretty far "down under" there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197134</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>lukas84</author>
	<datestamp>1266576900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm also Swiss, and i disagree with you. If you don't want your kids exposed to violent games, don't buy them violent games. You can already do that today.</p><p>This ban will prevent people like me getting my hands on a legal copy of a perfectly normal video game like GTA 4. It will however not prevent your children from getting illegal copies of the game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm also Swiss , and i disagree with you .
If you do n't want your kids exposed to violent games , do n't buy them violent games .
You can already do that today.This ban will prevent people like me getting my hands on a legal copy of a perfectly normal video game like GTA 4 .
It will however not prevent your children from getting illegal copies of the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm also Swiss, and i disagree with you.
If you don't want your kids exposed to violent games, don't buy them violent games.
You can already do that today.This ban will prevent people like me getting my hands on a legal copy of a perfectly normal video game like GTA 4.
It will however not prevent your children from getting illegal copies of the game.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199014</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>dylan\_-</author>
	<datestamp>1266593940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The so called "democracies" of the UK, US and Australia, which in reality are merely democratic republics,</p></div></blockquote><p>What a strange idea. Both the UK and Australia are representative democracies. Neither of them are republics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The so called " democracies " of the UK , US and Australia , which in reality are merely democratic republics,What a strange idea .
Both the UK and Australia are representative democracies .
Neither of them are republics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The so called "democracies" of the UK, US and Australia, which in reality are merely democratic republics,What a strange idea.
Both the UK and Australia are representative democracies.
Neither of them are republics.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196380</id>
	<title>"Mature"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266610680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Mature" games? As in, games where the player must kill or rape other otherwise torture other people? Strange definition of maturity...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Mature " games ?
As in , games where the player must kill or rape other otherwise torture other people ?
Strange definition of maturity.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Mature" games?
As in, games where the player must kill or rape other otherwise torture other people?
Strange definition of maturity...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200356</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>BlueWaterBaboonFarm</author>
	<datestamp>1266600180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing <b>digdug</b> </p></div><p>Wow.  I just remember playing that on my 386.  I'm gonna go dig up that gem.  Also, great post.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdug Wow .
I just remember playing that on my 386 .
I 'm gon na go dig up that gem .
Also , great post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdug Wow.
I just remember playing that on my 386.
I'm gonna go dig up that gem.
Also, great post.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197124</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's your opinion that is lazy. You obviously don't actually know much about games, so why bother typing out your crude opinions? In case you don't know what I mean I'll do your research for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_best-selling\_Wii\_video\_games. Yes that would be a list of the best selling video games on the best selling platform. The industry is diverse, but those with an axe to grind obviously choose not to see it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's your opinion that is lazy .
You obviously do n't actually know much about games , so why bother typing out your crude opinions ?
In case you do n't know what I mean I 'll do your research for you : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _best-selling \ _Wii \ _video \ _games .
Yes that would be a list of the best selling video games on the best selling platform .
The industry is diverse , but those with an axe to grind obviously choose not to see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's your opinion that is lazy.
You obviously don't actually know much about games, so why bother typing out your crude opinions?
In case you don't know what I mean I'll do your research for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_best-selling\_Wii\_video\_games.
Yes that would be a list of the best selling video games on the best selling platform.
The industry is diverse, but those with an axe to grind obviously choose not to see it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196678</id>
	<title>Re:Closer to home?</title>
	<author>Mr0bvious</author>
	<datestamp>1266571680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shhh don't tell 'em.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shhh do n't tell 'em .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shhh don't tell 'em.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196348</id>
	<title>You know where this is going</title>
	<author>janwedekind</author>
	<datestamp>1266610320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are Flash games and soon there will be HTML5 games and then they will be discussing the introduction of internet censorship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are Flash games and soon there will be HTML5 games and then they will be discussing the introduction of internet censorship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are Flash games and soon there will be HTML5 games and then they will be discussing the introduction of internet censorship.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198808</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266592920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still doesn't matter. It will still be oppression of a group by another group.</p><p>The problem is that video games can be banned to begin with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still does n't matter .
It will still be oppression of a group by another group.The problem is that video games can be banned to begin with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still doesn't matter.
It will still be oppression of a group by another group.The problem is that video games can be banned to begin with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196160</id>
	<title>I'm Australian you instensitive clod!!!</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1266521100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't closer to home for me:P~~~~</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't closer to home for me : P ~ ~ ~ ~</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't closer to home for me:P~~~~</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196296</id>
	<title>Watch those crime rates climb!</title>
	<author>Cruciform</author>
	<datestamp>1266523080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we look at the youth crime rates in the US, they dropped of precipitously when the PS1 came out and have stayed low compared to previous decades ever since.</p><p>If the trend was the same in Switzerland, what happens when you take away that outlet?</p><p>Most of the drop in crime likely comes from resolution of boredom, but it probably serves as a panacea for some of the whackjobs out there too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we look at the youth crime rates in the US , they dropped of precipitously when the PS1 came out and have stayed low compared to previous decades ever since.If the trend was the same in Switzerland , what happens when you take away that outlet ? Most of the drop in crime likely comes from resolution of boredom , but it probably serves as a panacea for some of the whackjobs out there too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we look at the youth crime rates in the US, they dropped of precipitously when the PS1 came out and have stayed low compared to previous decades ever since.If the trend was the same in Switzerland, what happens when you take away that outlet?Most of the drop in crime likely comes from resolution of boredom, but it probably serves as a panacea for some of the whackjobs out there too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198318</id>
	<title>Re:A great sign!</title>
	<author>Ltap</author>
	<datestamp>1266589860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on, it's Switzerland. They haven't had any violence in their country for 700 years, it must frighten the poor dears in their government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on , it 's Switzerland .
They have n't had any violence in their country for 700 years , it must frighten the poor dears in their government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on, it's Switzerland.
They haven't had any violence in their country for 700 years, it must frighten the poor dears in their government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197376</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266579360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can hardly call it a "decision" when one option involves nothing to do and the other option involves to gather 50k signatures in 100 days.</p><p>If there was a vote "do you want that? [yes/no]", then I'd say you have a point.</p><p>Still, it's better than to have no means to oppose a law, tough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can hardly call it a " decision " when one option involves nothing to do and the other option involves to gather 50k signatures in 100 days.If there was a vote " do you want that ?
[ yes/no ] " , then I 'd say you have a point.Still , it 's better than to have no means to oppose a law , tough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can hardly call it a "decision" when one option involves nothing to do and the other option involves to gather 50k signatures in 100 days.If there was a vote "do you want that?
[yes/no]", then I'd say you have a point.Still, it's better than to have no means to oppose a law, tough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201272</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266604020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdug</p></div><p>Yet...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdugYet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never undermined by house with tunnels depite playing digdugYet...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197812</id>
	<title>Re:Er...</title>
	<author>Whalou</author>
	<datestamp>1266584700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary was taken from an article on a UK-based web site.  So Switzerland is closer to <em>their</em> home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary was taken from an article on a UK-based web site .
So Switzerland is closer to their home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary was taken from an article on a UK-based web site.
So Switzerland is closer to their home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197088</id>
	<title>Re:"Mature"?</title>
	<author>Virak</author>
	<datestamp>1266576480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Killing isn't torture, though the latter can lead to the former, and rape isn't in itself torture, although it can be used as such. Regardless, very few games require or even allow the player to do any sort of torturing, and <i>rape</i> would be illegal in some countries, banned for sale (but not for possession) in others, and theoretically legal to sell in the rest but practically not due to no store being willing to stock such a game, and thus generally not such a great business decision. Have you ever even played a video game?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killing is n't torture , though the latter can lead to the former , and rape is n't in itself torture , although it can be used as such .
Regardless , very few games require or even allow the player to do any sort of torturing , and rape would be illegal in some countries , banned for sale ( but not for possession ) in others , and theoretically legal to sell in the rest but practically not due to no store being willing to stock such a game , and thus generally not such a great business decision .
Have you ever even played a video game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killing isn't torture, though the latter can lead to the former, and rape isn't in itself torture, although it can be used as such.
Regardless, very few games require or even allow the player to do any sort of torturing, and rape would be illegal in some countries, banned for sale (but not for possession) in others, and theoretically legal to sell in the rest but practically not due to no store being willing to stock such a game, and thus generally not such a great business decision.
Have you ever even played a video game?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198710</id>
	<title>Thank you mother Helvetia</title>
	<author>XAD1975</author>
	<datestamp>1266592380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This won't prevent me from driving 15 minutes to enter France and buy my games there.

However, as Swiss Citizen, I feel concerned since:

1. This law will infantilize me and strip me from my adult judgment over what is good or bad for me.
2. This law doesn't deal with the real issue which is the lack of liability of today's parents in their progeniture's education. They tend to rely more and more on school &amp; State to raise the kids they chose to have.
3. Child Pornography and Video Games are put together in this extract while they are different issues to be adressed.
4. What about other medias carying violence such as TV, Theatre, Sport, etc?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This wo n't prevent me from driving 15 minutes to enter France and buy my games there .
However , as Swiss Citizen , I feel concerned since : 1 .
This law will infantilize me and strip me from my adult judgment over what is good or bad for me .
2. This law does n't deal with the real issue which is the lack of liability of today 's parents in their progeniture 's education .
They tend to rely more and more on school &amp; State to raise the kids they chose to have .
3. Child Pornography and Video Games are put together in this extract while they are different issues to be adressed .
4. What about other medias carying violence such as TV , Theatre , Sport , etc ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This won't prevent me from driving 15 minutes to enter France and buy my games there.
However, as Swiss Citizen, I feel concerned since:

1.
This law will infantilize me and strip me from my adult judgment over what is good or bad for me.
2. This law doesn't deal with the real issue which is the lack of liability of today's parents in their progeniture's education.
They tend to rely more and more on school &amp; State to raise the kids they chose to have.
3. Child Pornography and Video Games are put together in this extract while they are different issues to be adressed.
4. What about other medias carying violence such as TV, Theatre, Sport, etc?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197142</id>
	<title>Re:Watch those crime rates climb!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See also: <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/" title="slate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/</a> [slate.com] Excerpt:"What happens when a particularly violent movie is released? Answer: Violent crime rates fall. Instantly. Here again, we have a lot of natural experiments: The number of violent movie releases changes a lot from week to week. One weekend, 12 million people watch Hannibal, and another weekend, 12 million watch Wallace &amp; Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit.<br>University of California professors Gordon Dahl and Stefano DellaVigna compared what happens on those weekends. The bottom line: More violence on the screen means less violence in the streets. Probably that's because violent criminals prefer violent movies, and as long as they're at the movies, they're not out causing mischief. They'd rather see Hannibal than rob you, but they'd rather rob you than sit through Wallace &amp; Gromit."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See also : http : //www.slate.com/id/2152487/ [ slate.com ] Excerpt : " What happens when a particularly violent movie is released ?
Answer : Violent crime rates fall .
Instantly. Here again , we have a lot of natural experiments : The number of violent movie releases changes a lot from week to week .
One weekend , 12 million people watch Hannibal , and another weekend , 12 million watch Wallace &amp; Gromit : The Curse of the Were-Rabbit.University of California professors Gordon Dahl and Stefano DellaVigna compared what happens on those weekends .
The bottom line : More violence on the screen means less violence in the streets .
Probably that 's because violent criminals prefer violent movies , and as long as they 're at the movies , they 're not out causing mischief .
They 'd rather see Hannibal than rob you , but they 'd rather rob you than sit through Wallace &amp; Gromit .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See also: http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/ [slate.com] Excerpt:"What happens when a particularly violent movie is released?
Answer: Violent crime rates fall.
Instantly. Here again, we have a lot of natural experiments: The number of violent movie releases changes a lot from week to week.
One weekend, 12 million people watch Hannibal, and another weekend, 12 million watch Wallace &amp; Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit.University of California professors Gordon Dahl and Stefano DellaVigna compared what happens on those weekends.
The bottom line: More violence on the screen means less violence in the streets.
Probably that's because violent criminals prefer violent movies, and as long as they're at the movies, they're not out causing mischief.
They'd rather see Hannibal than rob you, but they'd rather rob you than sit through Wallace &amp; Gromit.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199422</id>
	<title>Compulsory Military Service?</title>
	<author>implowry</author>
	<datestamp>1266595860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A country that has compulsory military service is trying to ban violent video games? I guess training to actually kill someone is okay, but moving some pixels around on a screen to get a high score is down right not acceptable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A country that has compulsory military service is trying to ban violent video games ?
I guess training to actually kill someone is okay , but moving some pixels around on a screen to get a high score is down right not acceptable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A country that has compulsory military service is trying to ban violent video games?
I guess training to actually kill someone is okay, but moving some pixels around on a screen to get a high score is down right not acceptable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201928</id>
	<title>Is this for real?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1266607260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Is this for real?  The link in the article returns a 404 error. Here's a <a href="http://gamepolitics.com/2010/02/18/swiss-violent-videogame-resolutions-move-forward" title="gamepolitics.com">somewhat more useful link.</a> [gamepolitics.com] The actual bill going forward is considerably less restrictive.
</p><p>
Switzerland is rather liberal about sex.  Prostitution is legal, and hookers charge VAT and take credit cards. Teen porn is available in mainstream video rental stores.  While Switzerland isn't very violent, Swiss citizens and most permanent residents can own guns, and almost everyone in the military reserves (a big fraction of the population, since Switzerland has a draft) has a military-issued assault rifle at home.
</p><p>
On the other hand, actually doing anything violent is considered un-Swiss.  Violent crime is rare in Switzerland.  It tends to attract too much attention. With a big army for its size, a well-organized police force, a large number of people who not only own guns but regularly qualify on the range, and a tendency to bullet-proof banks and even railway ticket offices, violent crime tends not to be successful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this for real ?
The link in the article returns a 404 error .
Here 's a somewhat more useful link .
[ gamepolitics.com ] The actual bill going forward is considerably less restrictive .
Switzerland is rather liberal about sex .
Prostitution is legal , and hookers charge VAT and take credit cards .
Teen porn is available in mainstream video rental stores .
While Switzerland is n't very violent , Swiss citizens and most permanent residents can own guns , and almost everyone in the military reserves ( a big fraction of the population , since Switzerland has a draft ) has a military-issued assault rifle at home .
On the other hand , actually doing anything violent is considered un-Swiss .
Violent crime is rare in Switzerland .
It tends to attract too much attention .
With a big army for its size , a well-organized police force , a large number of people who not only own guns but regularly qualify on the range , and a tendency to bullet-proof banks and even railway ticket offices , violent crime tends not to be successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Is this for real?
The link in the article returns a 404 error.
Here's a somewhat more useful link.
[gamepolitics.com] The actual bill going forward is considerably less restrictive.
Switzerland is rather liberal about sex.
Prostitution is legal, and hookers charge VAT and take credit cards.
Teen porn is available in mainstream video rental stores.
While Switzerland isn't very violent, Swiss citizens and most permanent residents can own guns, and almost everyone in the military reserves (a big fraction of the population, since Switzerland has a draft) has a military-issued assault rifle at home.
On the other hand, actually doing anything violent is considered un-Swiss.
Violent crime is rare in Switzerland.
It tends to attract too much attention.
With a big army for its size, a well-organized police force, a large number of people who not only own guns but regularly qualify on the range, and a tendency to bullet-proof banks and even railway ticket offices, violent crime tends not to be successful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198904</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>radish</author>
	<datestamp>1266593460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why aren't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that aren't quite as destructive?</p></div></blockquote><p>You're right! Those damn game makers should try making games which aren't violent. Maybe someone could make a game where you're in a <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/rockband2" title="metacritic.com">band</a> [metacritic.com], or maybe you're a <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/djhero" title="metacritic.com">DJ</a> [metacritic.com]. How about sports? Someone should make a <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/maddennfl10" title="metacritic.com">football game</a> [metacritic.com], or a <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/ssx3" title="metacritic.com">snowboarding</a> [metacritic.com] game, or <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/skate" title="metacritic.com">skateboarding</a> [metacritic.com], or <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/wiisportsresort" title="metacritic.com">bowling</a> [metacritic.com]!. If only someone had thought to make a game to tie into the <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ds/marioandsonicattheolympicwintergames" title="metacritic.com">Winter Olympics</a> [metacritic.com]! There's such a <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/braid" title="metacritic.com">lack</a> [metacritic.com] of <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/okami" title="metacritic.com">imagination</a> [metacritic.com] in games these days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are n't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that are n't quite as destructive ? You 're right !
Those damn game makers should try making games which are n't violent .
Maybe someone could make a game where you 're in a band [ metacritic.com ] , or maybe you 're a DJ [ metacritic.com ] .
How about sports ?
Someone should make a football game [ metacritic.com ] , or a snowboarding [ metacritic.com ] game , or skateboarding [ metacritic.com ] , or bowling [ metacritic.com ] ! .
If only someone had thought to make a game to tie into the Winter Olympics [ metacritic.com ] !
There 's such a lack [ metacritic.com ] of imagination [ metacritic.com ] in games these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why aren't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that aren't quite as destructive?You're right!
Those damn game makers should try making games which aren't violent.
Maybe someone could make a game where you're in a band [metacritic.com], or maybe you're a DJ [metacritic.com].
How about sports?
Someone should make a football game [metacritic.com], or a snowboarding [metacritic.com] game, or skateboarding [metacritic.com], or bowling [metacritic.com]!.
If only someone had thought to make a game to tie into the Winter Olympics [metacritic.com]!
There's such a lack [metacritic.com] of imagination [metacritic.com] in games these days.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31209608</id>
	<title>Parents are too Stupid?</title>
	<author>Phoghat</author>
	<datestamp>1266675780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever happened to the idea that parents have the ultimate in censorship power? Doesn't anyone care what their kids are doing, or watching?
<p> I don't want any government telling me what I can and can't do. That power I reserve for myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever happened to the idea that parents have the ultimate in censorship power ?
Does n't anyone care what their kids are doing , or watching ?
I do n't want any government telling me what I can and ca n't do .
That power I reserve for myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever happened to the idea that parents have the ultimate in censorship power?
Doesn't anyone care what their kids are doing, or watching?
I don't want any government telling me what I can and can't do.
That power I reserve for myself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199728</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1266597360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a swiss I think that ban isn't solving the problem. We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.</p></div><p>And a pen knife.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a swiss I think that ban is n't solving the problem .
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.And a pen knife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a swiss I think that ban isn't solving the problem.
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.And a pen knife.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196564</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1266612960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'll find stupid laws in any country, just because you heard of the minaret ban doesn't mean that's representative of Switzerland. Besides free speech does not mean you can build whatever you want, the minaret ban does not prevent anyone from saying what they want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll find stupid laws in any country , just because you heard of the minaret ban does n't mean that 's representative of Switzerland .
Besides free speech does not mean you can build whatever you want , the minaret ban does not prevent anyone from saying what they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll find stupid laws in any country, just because you heard of the minaret ban doesn't mean that's representative of Switzerland.
Besides free speech does not mean you can build whatever you want, the minaret ban does not prevent anyone from saying what they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197362</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>pegasustonans</author>
	<datestamp>1266579180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries. Even if the legislation passes parliament, if someone gathers 50k signatures against some law (in 100 days), he can cause national vote on this matter.</i></p><p>This sounds a lot like the situation in California.  Maybe it works better in Switzerland, but here we have a ban on gay marriage, inconsistent property taxes and all kinds of crazy bond measures as a result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries .
Even if the legislation passes parliament , if someone gathers 50k signatures against some law ( in 100 days ) , he can cause national vote on this matter.This sounds a lot like the situation in California .
Maybe it works better in Switzerland , but here we have a ban on gay marriage , inconsistent property taxes and all kinds of crazy bond measures as a result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries.
Even if the legislation passes parliament, if someone gathers 50k signatures against some law (in 100 days), he can cause national vote on this matter.This sounds a lot like the situation in California.
Maybe it works better in Switzerland, but here we have a ban on gay marriage, inconsistent property taxes and all kinds of crazy bond measures as a result.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197572</id>
	<title>Won't someone...</title>
	<author>tylersoze</author>
	<datestamp>1266581820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Denken Sie bitte an die Kinder?<br>Pensez svp aux enfants ?<br>Pensi prego ai bambini?</p><p>Please think of the little wallabies eh mate? Now let's throw another shrimp on the barbie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Denken Sie bitte an die Kinder ? Pensez svp aux enfants ? Pensi prego ai bambini ? Please think of the little wallabies eh mate ?
Now let 's throw another shrimp on the barbie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Denken Sie bitte an die Kinder?Pensez svp aux enfants ?Pensi prego ai bambini?Please think of the little wallabies eh mate?
Now let's throw another shrimp on the barbie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31205960</id>
	<title>Because games haven't made it yet.</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1266582900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why do they not ban all films, books, and CDs</i></p><p>As you've noticed, there's plenty of people who'd like to ban films, books, and music. But films, books, and music have a lot more defenders because the idea that "Great Works" (including great works with violence) can be done in those media is pretty well solidified.</p><p>Games don't have that kind of cultural credibility yet. They're seen as trivial pursuits, escapist entertainment that generally doesn't carry enough artistic skill to press the syntax of violence into larger more meaningful semantics.  And while there are *some* really interesting works out there that have begun to transcend this, the generalization is unfortunately apt for much if not most of what's out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do they not ban all films , books , and CDsAs you 've noticed , there 's plenty of people who 'd like to ban films , books , and music .
But films , books , and music have a lot more defenders because the idea that " Great Works " ( including great works with violence ) can be done in those media is pretty well solidified.Games do n't have that kind of cultural credibility yet .
They 're seen as trivial pursuits , escapist entertainment that generally does n't carry enough artistic skill to press the syntax of violence into larger more meaningful semantics .
And while there are * some * really interesting works out there that have begun to transcend this , the generalization is unfortunately apt for much if not most of what 's out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do they not ban all films, books, and CDsAs you've noticed, there's plenty of people who'd like to ban films, books, and music.
But films, books, and music have a lot more defenders because the idea that "Great Works" (including great works with violence) can be done in those media is pretty well solidified.Games don't have that kind of cultural credibility yet.
They're seen as trivial pursuits, escapist entertainment that generally doesn't carry enough artistic skill to press the syntax of violence into larger more meaningful semantics.
And while there are *some* really interesting works out there that have begun to transcend this, the generalization is unfortunately apt for much if not most of what's out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196676</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1266571680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html</a> [nytimes.com] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights.</i> <br> <br>Can you name the "basic rights" that are being violated here? Nobody is stopping Muslims in Switzerland from practicing their religion, they are only not allowed to impose it on everyone else in the form of giant rockets (erect penises?) whose only purpose is to promote the said religion. Since they are not even being used for calling for prayer what else is their purpose?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year .
http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html [ nytimes.com ] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights .
Can you name the " basic rights " that are being violated here ?
Nobody is stopping Muslims in Switzerland from practicing their religion , they are only not allowed to impose it on everyone else in the form of giant rockets ( erect penises ?
) whose only purpose is to promote the said religion .
Since they are not even being used for calling for prayer what else is their purpose ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got far more worked up over the ban on minarets that they enacted last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html [nytimes.com] That was a much more serious violation of basic rights.
Can you name the "basic rights" that are being violated here?
Nobody is stopping Muslims in Switzerland from practicing their religion, they are only not allowed to impose it on everyone else in the form of giant rockets (erect penises?
) whose only purpose is to promote the said religion.
Since they are not even being used for calling for prayer what else is their purpose?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197384</id>
	<title>The many co-correlations of statistical data...</title>
	<author>MrKane</author>
	<datestamp>1266579360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be interested in seeing the statistics being used by the Swiss Government to support such a proposal.<br>
<br>
Intuitively, to me at least, the idea for "Games as a cause for violence" is not based on rational thought.<br>
A more likley explaination is "ape brain as a cause for violence", preceeded by "selfish gene as a cause for violence" coupled with "lack of self control" as a catalyst.<br>
<br>
Simply speaking, to make a theory that cites any single activity a cause of violence is going to be woefully inadequate at describing reality.<br>
<br>
And the idea that it is a valid approach to seek the removal of the rights of an individual to persue an activity (like reading, or making films, or playing video games), activities <br>which primarily deal with the imagination, and the "internal", well that is abhorrent to me personally.<br>
<br>
I would add, that it is my belief, that it is not really the responsibilty of government to protect me from the ideas of others per se, but it for those institutions to protect me from <br>any practical application of ideas that threaten my safety.<br>
<br>
Again, the correlation between video games and violence is overshadowed by other factors (such as population density coupled with poverty say [conjecture] ), significantly enough I would argue, so that the argument violent video games are a practical threat, is rediculous.
<br> <br>
Anyways, you get my point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be interested in seeing the statistics being used by the Swiss Government to support such a proposal .
Intuitively , to me at least , the idea for " Games as a cause for violence " is not based on rational thought .
A more likley explaination is " ape brain as a cause for violence " , preceeded by " selfish gene as a cause for violence " coupled with " lack of self control " as a catalyst .
Simply speaking , to make a theory that cites any single activity a cause of violence is going to be woefully inadequate at describing reality .
And the idea that it is a valid approach to seek the removal of the rights of an individual to persue an activity ( like reading , or making films , or playing video games ) , activities which primarily deal with the imagination , and the " internal " , well that is abhorrent to me personally .
I would add , that it is my belief , that it is not really the responsibilty of government to protect me from the ideas of others per se , but it for those institutions to protect me from any practical application of ideas that threaten my safety .
Again , the correlation between video games and violence is overshadowed by other factors ( such as population density coupled with poverty say [ conjecture ] ) , significantly enough I would argue , so that the argument violent video games are a practical threat , is rediculous .
Anyways , you get my point ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be interested in seeing the statistics being used by the Swiss Government to support such a proposal.
Intuitively, to me at least, the idea for "Games as a cause for violence" is not based on rational thought.
A more likley explaination is "ape brain as a cause for violence", preceeded by "selfish gene as a cause for violence" coupled with "lack of self control" as a catalyst.
Simply speaking, to make a theory that cites any single activity a cause of violence is going to be woefully inadequate at describing reality.
And the idea that it is a valid approach to seek the removal of the rights of an individual to persue an activity (like reading, or making films, or playing video games), activities which primarily deal with the imagination, and the "internal", well that is abhorrent to me personally.
I would add, that it is my belief, that it is not really the responsibilty of government to protect me from the ideas of others per se, but it for those institutions to protect me from any practical application of ideas that threaten my safety.
Again, the correlation between video games and violence is overshadowed by other factors (such as population density coupled with poverty say [conjecture] ), significantly enough I would argue, so that the argument violent video games are a practical threat, is rediculous.
Anyways, you get my point ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197488</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1266580740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> By the way, as a father of four, I gladly welcome any measure reducing the exposure of my kids to violent games</p></div><p>As a father of four, please feel free to restrict your children's exposure to violent games as much as you like.  </p><p>
Please remember that the country-wide ban on Wolfenstein in Germany just meant that every single game-playing teenager in the country had a pirated copy, and that was before the Internet was widespread.  A ban won't stop children getting the games, it will just stop adults getting them legally.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>By the way , as a father of four , I gladly welcome any measure reducing the exposure of my kids to violent gamesAs a father of four , please feel free to restrict your children 's exposure to violent games as much as you like .
Please remember that the country-wide ban on Wolfenstein in Germany just meant that every single game-playing teenager in the country had a pirated copy , and that was before the Internet was widespread .
A ban wo n't stop children getting the games , it will just stop adults getting them legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> By the way, as a father of four, I gladly welcome any measure reducing the exposure of my kids to violent gamesAs a father of four, please feel free to restrict your children's exposure to violent games as much as you like.
Please remember that the country-wide ban on Wolfenstein in Germany just meant that every single game-playing teenager in the country had a pirated copy, and that was before the Internet was widespread.
A ban won't stop children getting the games, it will just stop adults getting them legally.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200484</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>gadget junkie</author>
	<datestamp>1266600600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[...]Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).[...]</p></div><p>Excuse my asking, but is "war" a crime?  I regularly play Call of Duty 4, and my sixteen year old son does as well. We are both history buffs, especially war history; I  served in the military, in a Police force, which meant pondering about when and how to draw an  handgun and point it at a person in civilian clothing, with the possibility if not the intent of shooting to kill...So I know that the absence of violence is only a delegation of violence. Since Switzerland is a nice and peaceful country, with a full complement of conscript Army and police forces, I'd expect them not close their eyes to the fact that individuals can forego violence, but only if they divest it to someone else, usually the state.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] Personally , I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game ( by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes ) . [ .. .
] Excuse my asking , but is " war " a crime ?
I regularly play Call of Duty 4 , and my sixteen year old son does as well .
We are both history buffs , especially war history ; I served in the military , in a Police force , which meant pondering about when and how to draw an handgun and point it at a person in civilian clothing , with the possibility if not the intent of shooting to kill...So I know that the absence of violence is only a delegation of violence .
Since Switzerland is a nice and peaceful country , with a full complement of conscript Army and police forces , I 'd expect them not close their eyes to the fact that individuals can forego violence , but only if they divest it to someone else , usually the state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...]Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).[...
]Excuse my asking, but is "war" a crime?
I regularly play Call of Duty 4, and my sixteen year old son does as well.
We are both history buffs, especially war history; I  served in the military, in a Police force, which meant pondering about when and how to draw an  handgun and point it at a person in civilian clothing, with the possibility if not the intent of shooting to kill...So I know that the absence of violence is only a delegation of violence.
Since Switzerland is a nice and peaceful country, with a full complement of conscript Army and police forces, I'd expect them not close their eyes to the fact that individuals can forego violence, but only if they divest it to someone else, usually the state.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197464</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1266580440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> remember what happened to you as a child when you "said something mommy and daddy didn't like"</p></div><p>I remember that.  They explained what the long-term consequences of being impolite would be as an adult.  Not sure quite what the relevance is.  Perhaps you're projecting your own bad-parenting experiences on to the rest of us?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>remember what happened to you as a child when you " said something mommy and daddy did n't like " I remember that .
They explained what the long-term consequences of being impolite would be as an adult .
Not sure quite what the relevance is .
Perhaps you 're projecting your own bad-parenting experiences on to the rest of us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> remember what happened to you as a child when you "said something mommy and daddy didn't like"I remember that.
They explained what the long-term consequences of being impolite would be as an adult.
Not sure quite what the relevance is.
Perhaps you're projecting your own bad-parenting experiences on to the rest of us?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196372</id>
	<title>Switzerland is still getting it backwards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266610620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, they were okay with the Nazis.  Now, they're complaining about games where you kill Nazis.  They just can't get it right.</p><p>Mod -5: Godwin'd</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , they were okay with the Nazis .
Now , they 're complaining about games where you kill Nazis .
They just ca n't get it right.Mod -5 : Godwin 'd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, they were okay with the Nazis.
Now, they're complaining about games where you kill Nazis.
They just can't get it right.Mod -5: Godwin'd</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196896</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>SerpentMage</author>
	<datestamp>1266574260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a hopeful soon to be Swiss...  I am actually proud of the minaret vote. Not the result because I would have probably voted no. No I am proud of the fact that the Swiss people can vote on these issues. Time and time again I see in other representative democracies votes being made that are only for a small minority of the people. Shall we call them lobbies?  When lobbies take over then minorities take over, and then you get the mess called American politics.</p><p>The American political system is completely broken because of the lobbies that manage to control individual politicians. Thus those politicians are unable to make decisions since no compromise can be made unless a horse trade is made with the decision.</p><p>At least with a direct democracy like the Swiss you get a decision, you might not like it, but its a decision. California while having the direct vote is also an example of a decision. Sure the voters make silly decisions, "yes I want lots of social benefits", "no I don't want to pay for it." Those are decisions, screwed up, but eventually people will see, "oh maybe no benefits or maybe benefits..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a hopeful soon to be Swiss... I am actually proud of the minaret vote .
Not the result because I would have probably voted no .
No I am proud of the fact that the Swiss people can vote on these issues .
Time and time again I see in other representative democracies votes being made that are only for a small minority of the people .
Shall we call them lobbies ?
When lobbies take over then minorities take over , and then you get the mess called American politics.The American political system is completely broken because of the lobbies that manage to control individual politicians .
Thus those politicians are unable to make decisions since no compromise can be made unless a horse trade is made with the decision.At least with a direct democracy like the Swiss you get a decision , you might not like it , but its a decision .
California while having the direct vote is also an example of a decision .
Sure the voters make silly decisions , " yes I want lots of social benefits " , " no I do n't want to pay for it .
" Those are decisions , screwed up , but eventually people will see , " oh maybe no benefits or maybe benefits... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a hopeful soon to be Swiss...  I am actually proud of the minaret vote.
Not the result because I would have probably voted no.
No I am proud of the fact that the Swiss people can vote on these issues.
Time and time again I see in other representative democracies votes being made that are only for a small minority of the people.
Shall we call them lobbies?
When lobbies take over then minorities take over, and then you get the mess called American politics.The American political system is completely broken because of the lobbies that manage to control individual politicians.
Thus those politicians are unable to make decisions since no compromise can be made unless a horse trade is made with the decision.At least with a direct democracy like the Swiss you get a decision, you might not like it, but its a decision.
California while having the direct vote is also an example of a decision.
Sure the voters make silly decisions, "yes I want lots of social benefits", "no I don't want to pay for it.
" Those are decisions, screwed up, but eventually people will see, "oh maybe no benefits or maybe benefits..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196284</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266522960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a swiss I think that ban isn't solving the problem. We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a swiss I think that ban is n't solving the problem .
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a swiss I think that ban isn't solving the problem.
We still have a conscription army which hands out an assault rifle to every male citizen over the age of 20.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200228</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1266599640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't know about you but I wouldn't find "Accountancy: The Game" much fun.</p></div></blockquote><p>Not a fan of Eve or SimCity then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you but I would n't find " Accountancy : The Game " much fun.Not a fan of Eve or SimCity then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you but I wouldn't find "Accountancy: The Game" much fun.Not a fan of Eve or SimCity then?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196170</id>
	<title>Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266521280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If as an adult you let the government treat you like a child, remember what happened to you as a child when you "said something mommy and daddy didn't like".</htmltext>
<tokenext>If as an adult you let the government treat you like a child , remember what happened to you as a child when you " said something mommy and daddy did n't like " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If as an adult you let the government treat you like a child, remember what happened to you as a child when you "said something mommy and daddy didn't like".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197500</id>
	<title>Correlation is not causation</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1266580980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If we look at the youth crime rates in the US, they dropped of precipitously when the PS1 came out and have stayed low compared to previous decades ever since.</i> </p><p>The Playstation was released on December 3, 1994.</p><p>The US price was $300.</p><p>$580, adjusted for inflation. <a href="http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl" title="bls.gov">CPI Inflation Calculator</a> [bls.gov] That makes the market middle class and, stereotypically, suburban.</p><p>Windows 95 was released in August 1995. In 1996 AOL went to flat-rate monthly billing. IE4 arrives in 1997. The [middle class] kid in the mid-nineties was getting his first real taste of the interactive, on-line, world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we look at the youth crime rates in the US , they dropped of precipitously when the PS1 came out and have stayed low compared to previous decades ever since .
The Playstation was released on December 3 , 1994.The US price was $ 300. $ 580 , adjusted for inflation .
CPI Inflation Calculator [ bls.gov ] That makes the market middle class and , stereotypically , suburban.Windows 95 was released in August 1995 .
In 1996 AOL went to flat-rate monthly billing .
IE4 arrives in 1997 .
The [ middle class ] kid in the mid-nineties was getting his first real taste of the interactive , on-line , world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we look at the youth crime rates in the US, they dropped of precipitously when the PS1 came out and have stayed low compared to previous decades ever since.
The Playstation was released on December 3, 1994.The US price was $300.$580, adjusted for inflation.
CPI Inflation Calculator [bls.gov] That makes the market middle class and, stereotypically, suburban.Windows 95 was released in August 1995.
In 1996 AOL went to flat-rate monthly billing.
IE4 arrives in 1997.
The [middle class] kid in the mid-nineties was getting his first real taste of the interactive, on-line, world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196504</id>
	<title>Bundled with child porn...</title>
	<author>Kolargol00</author>
	<datestamp>1266612240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course this stupid idea has been bundled with some child porn legislation to ease its way into the parliament.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/ Here is the <a href="http://www.parlament.ch/f/mm/2010/pages/mm-rk-s-2010-02-16.aspx" title="parlament.ch" rel="nofollow">original press release</a> [parlament.ch] (in French, also available in German and Italian).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course this stupid idea has been bundled with some child porn legislation to ease its way into the parliament .
: / Here is the original press release [ parlament.ch ] ( in French , also available in German and Italian ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course this stupid idea has been bundled with some child porn legislation to ease its way into the parliament.
:/ Here is the original press release [parlament.ch] (in French, also available in German and Italian).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196818</id>
	<title>Quoting Orson Welles...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You know what the fellow said - in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace - and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."</p><p>Don't know if story repeats itself, but maybe...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You know what the fellow said - in Italy , for thirty years under the Borgias , they had warfare , terror , murder and bloodshed , but they produced Michelangelo , Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance .
In Switzerland , they had brotherly love , they had five hundred years of democracy and peace - and what did that produce ?
The cuckoo clock .
" Do n't know if story repeats itself , but maybe.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You know what the fellow said - in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance.
In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace - and what did that produce?
The cuckoo clock.
"Don't know if story repeats itself, but maybe...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197108</id>
	<title>Re:"Mature"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266576720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Mature in the sense that they have had time to mature. Pong and nethack come as examples.</p><p>If you stretch it a bit may be Tetris could apply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Mature in the sense that they have had time to mature .
Pong and nethack come as examples.If you stretch it a bit may be Tetris could apply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Mature in the sense that they have had time to mature.
Pong and nethack come as examples.If you stretch it a bit may be Tetris could apply.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197220</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>lukas84</author>
	<datestamp>1266577740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).</p></div></blockquote><p>Why? They're illuminated pieces of glass or plastic. And, more importantly, noone was hurt when creating the data to illuminate said glass or plastic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game ( by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes ) .Why ?
They 're illuminated pieces of glass or plastic .
And , more importantly , noone was hurt when creating the data to illuminate said glass or plastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).Why?
They're illuminated pieces of glass or plastic.
And, more importantly, noone was hurt when creating the data to illuminate said glass or plastic.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31208468</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266697740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i do however build houses after playing lego</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i do however build houses after playing lego</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i do however build houses after playing lego</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200316</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1266600000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And, more importantly, noone was hurt when creating the data to illuminate said glass or plastic.</p></div><p>"Won't anybody think of the photons ?"</p><p>I guess it just doesn't have the same ring to it...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , more importantly , noone was hurt when creating the data to illuminate said glass or plastic .
" Wo n't anybody think of the photons ?
" I guess it just does n't have the same ring to it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, more importantly, noone was hurt when creating the data to illuminate said glass or plastic.
"Won't anybody think of the photons ?
"I guess it just doesn't have the same ring to it...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199884</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266598020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the problem with this is not that they are able to vote on issues. it is that they shouldn't have the right to vote on issues that have nothing to do with government. to ban something like this out right is just crazy. first they ban what kind of structures you can build on your property. then they tell you what you can do in your home. if they optained proper building permits and they own the property they shouldn't have to fall prey to the choices of there neigbors when it comes to the architectual choices of there building. you shouldn't have a right to a sky line unless you own the property that keeps the skyline free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the problem with this is not that they are able to vote on issues .
it is that they should n't have the right to vote on issues that have nothing to do with government .
to ban something like this out right is just crazy .
first they ban what kind of structures you can build on your property .
then they tell you what you can do in your home .
if they optained proper building permits and they own the property they should n't have to fall prey to the choices of there neigbors when it comes to the architectual choices of there building .
you should n't have a right to a sky line unless you own the property that keeps the skyline free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the problem with this is not that they are able to vote on issues.
it is that they shouldn't have the right to vote on issues that have nothing to do with government.
to ban something like this out right is just crazy.
first they ban what kind of structures you can build on your property.
then they tell you what you can do in your home.
if they optained proper building permits and they own the property they shouldn't have to fall prey to the choices of there neigbors when it comes to the architectual choices of there building.
you shouldn't have a right to a sky line unless you own the property that keeps the skyline free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200262</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>O('\_')O\_Bush</author>
	<datestamp>1266599760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is that a positive side? I genuinely don't get why people on this forum are heralding pure democracy as better than other types of government.<br><br>I mean, from a discriminatory perspective, this could be "On the negative side, Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries".<br><br>We know pretty well now that pure democracies and pure dictatorships both have their significant share of flaws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is that a positive side ?
I genuinely do n't get why people on this forum are heralding pure democracy as better than other types of government.I mean , from a discriminatory perspective , this could be " On the negative side , Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries " .We know pretty well now that pure democracies and pure dictatorships both have their significant share of flaws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is that a positive side?
I genuinely don't get why people on this forum are heralding pure democracy as better than other types of government.I mean, from a discriminatory perspective, this could be "On the negative side, Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries".We know pretty well now that pure democracies and pure dictatorships both have their significant share of flaws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201116</id>
	<title>Oh really?</title>
	<author>holiggan</author>
	<datestamp>1266603480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, a swiss ADULT who might want to BUY a violent game will have to resort to torrent it?</p><p>Nice way to push the paying customer into the open arms of "piracy" ehehehehehe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , a swiss ADULT who might want to BUY a violent game will have to resort to torrent it ? Nice way to push the paying customer into the open arms of " piracy " ehehehehehe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, a swiss ADULT who might want to BUY a violent game will have to resort to torrent it?Nice way to push the paying customer into the open arms of "piracy" ehehehehehe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196390</id>
	<title>on positive side</title>
	<author>jarkus4</author>
	<datestamp>1266610800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries. Even if the legislation passes parliament, if someone gathers 50k signatures against some law (in 100 days), he can cause national vote on this matter. In this vote all citizens decide whether the law should stay or be rejected. So to get rid of it they just need to convince normal people (and not politicians)  that this is a bad idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries .
Even if the legislation passes parliament , if someone gathers 50k signatures against some law ( in 100 days ) , he can cause national vote on this matter .
In this vote all citizens decide whether the law should stay or be rejected .
So to get rid of it they just need to convince normal people ( and not politicians ) that this is a bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland has more direct democracy than most countries.
Even if the legislation passes parliament, if someone gathers 50k signatures against some law (in 100 days), he can cause national vote on this matter.
In this vote all citizens decide whether the law should stay or be rejected.
So to get rid of it they just need to convince normal people (and not politicians)  that this is a bad idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31200950</id>
	<title>Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1266602760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>       It must be the season for book burning and the like. And I am confused. First I thought that I had to hide under my bed to avoid the terror called pornography but now I am supposed to tremble at the idea of video games. I'm getting so confused I had best get a rifle and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It must be the season for book burning and the like .
And I am confused .
First I thought that I had to hide under my bed to avoid the terror called pornography but now I am supposed to tremble at the idea of video games .
I 'm getting so confused I had best get a rifle and .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>       It must be the season for book burning and the like.
And I am confused.
First I thought that I had to hide under my bed to avoid the terror called pornography but now I am supposed to tremble at the idea of video games.
I'm getting so confused I had best get a rifle and ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198950</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1266593640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does majority voting have to do with it being a free speech issue? They are completely unrelated.</p><p>Are you saying that if the majority voted to ban video games (not that unlikely, given the hysteria), that everyone here on Slashdot should stop criticising the ban, because twoo democracy is the best thing ever and must be respected at all cost?</p><p>What about laws on fictional cartoon child images - something widely opposed and criticised here on Slashdot, but it's conceivable a majority would support them.</p><p><i>You may agree or disagree with it</i></p><p>Yes, he does disagree with it. That's what he's saying.</p><p>No one has claimed that people didn't for it. That's a straw man argument. It's irrelevant to his point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does majority voting have to do with it being a free speech issue ?
They are completely unrelated.Are you saying that if the majority voted to ban video games ( not that unlikely , given the hysteria ) , that everyone here on Slashdot should stop criticising the ban , because twoo democracy is the best thing ever and must be respected at all cost ? What about laws on fictional cartoon child images - something widely opposed and criticised here on Slashdot , but it 's conceivable a majority would support them.You may agree or disagree with itYes , he does disagree with it .
That 's what he 's saying.No one has claimed that people did n't for it .
That 's a straw man argument .
It 's irrelevant to his point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does majority voting have to do with it being a free speech issue?
They are completely unrelated.Are you saying that if the majority voted to ban video games (not that unlikely, given the hysteria), that everyone here on Slashdot should stop criticising the ban, because twoo democracy is the best thing ever and must be respected at all cost?What about laws on fictional cartoon child images - something widely opposed and criticised here on Slashdot, but it's conceivable a majority would support them.You may agree or disagree with itYes, he does disagree with it.
That's what he's saying.No one has claimed that people didn't for it.
That's a straw man argument.
It's irrelevant to his point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198918</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1266593520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>they are only not allowed to impose it on everyone else  in the form of giant rockets</i></p><p>So if that's really the reason, when are Church spires going to be banned, by the same logic? Here in the UK, people buying property even end up having to <a href="http://www.chancelrepair.org/" title="chancelrepair.org" rel="nofollow">pay for them</a> [chancelrepair.org] (I know myself, as I recently had to pay &pound;100 insurance to cover the liability).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they are only not allowed to impose it on everyone else in the form of giant rocketsSo if that 's really the reason , when are Church spires going to be banned , by the same logic ?
Here in the UK , people buying property even end up having to pay for them [ chancelrepair.org ] ( I know myself , as I recently had to pay   100 insurance to cover the liability ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they are only not allowed to impose it on everyone else  in the form of giant rocketsSo if that's really the reason, when are Church spires going to be banned, by the same logic?
Here in the UK, people buying property even end up having to pay for them [chancelrepair.org] (I know myself, as I recently had to pay £100 insurance to cover the liability).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197560</id>
	<title>Re:"Mature"?</title>
	<author>dragisha</author>
	<datestamp>1266581580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing strange in that... Being old topic here....</p><p>Problem is - people carrrying modifiers around often see slashdot as some sort of Mature FPS. Don't you dare to criticize "adult" rights to enjoy through extreme violence!!!</p><p>Although... I doubt biological maturity of people enjoying this sort of games. Didnt they met with sex already?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) Do they think only "adult" antertainment is one where you enjoy your adultness by drinking liquor and beating/raping people on their Wiis?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing strange in that... Being old topic here....Problem is - people carrrying modifiers around often see slashdot as some sort of Mature FPS .
Do n't you dare to criticize " adult " rights to enjoy through extreme violence ! ! ! Although.. .
I doubt biological maturity of people enjoying this sort of games .
Didnt they met with sex already ?
: ) Do they think only " adult " antertainment is one where you enjoy your adultness by drinking liquor and beating/raping people on their Wiis ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing strange in that... Being old topic here....Problem is - people carrrying modifiers around often see slashdot as some sort of Mature FPS.
Don't you dare to criticize "adult" rights to enjoy through extreme violence!!!Although...
I doubt biological maturity of people enjoying this sort of games.
Didnt they met with sex already?
:) Do they think only "adult" antertainment is one where you enjoy your adultness by drinking liquor and beating/raping people on their Wiis?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196306</id>
	<title>Not just unemployment</title>
	<author>jbatista</author>
	<datestamp>1266523140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to see this much dedication in governments to other, more serious, forms of violence such as hunger, desease, poverty and (there I say it!?) corruption and unemployment. Yes, I realize banning unemployment is futile (some people are incompetent) but I consider it a vile form of violence against 40-something people when they're too old for employment but too young for retirement. But if they can get it right with some little things, maybe they can figure out how to get it right with bigger, more important things; but that is just a silly dream of mine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to see this much dedication in governments to other , more serious , forms of violence such as hunger , desease , poverty and ( there I say it ! ?
) corruption and unemployment .
Yes , I realize banning unemployment is futile ( some people are incompetent ) but I consider it a vile form of violence against 40-something people when they 're too old for employment but too young for retirement .
But if they can get it right with some little things , maybe they can figure out how to get it right with bigger , more important things ; but that is just a silly dream of mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to see this much dedication in governments to other, more serious, forms of violence such as hunger, desease, poverty and (there I say it!?
) corruption and unemployment.
Yes, I realize banning unemployment is futile (some people are incompetent) but I consider it a vile form of violence against 40-something people when they're too old for employment but too young for retirement.
But if they can get it right with some little things, maybe they can figure out how to get it right with bigger, more important things; but that is just a silly dream of mine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199276</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266595080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is it bad that i have???<br>&gt;\_&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... twice.... in one day</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is it bad that i have ? ?
? &gt; \ _ &gt; ..... twice.... in one day</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is it bad that i have??
?&gt;\_&gt; ..... twice.... in one day</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196492</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>beh</author>
	<datestamp>1266612120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strangely enough, nobody screamed outrage when bans against games, graphics, etc. depicting child-p*rn were brought in...</p><p>So - where do you draw the line in which crimes should be 'legal' as game subjects, and which ones should not be?</p><p>Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).</p><p>On the other hand - the games industry is a bit lazy as well - obviously, for them it's less of an 'intellectual leap' releasing one first person shooter after another, with graphics becoming ever more spectacular (and gruesome)... Why aren't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that aren't quite as destructive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strangely enough , nobody screamed outrage when bans against games , graphics , etc .
depicting child-p * rn were brought in...So - where do you draw the line in which crimes should be 'legal ' as game subjects , and which ones should not be ? Personally , I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game ( by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes ) .On the other hand - the games industry is a bit lazy as well - obviously , for them it 's less of an 'intellectual leap ' releasing one first person shooter after another , with graphics becoming ever more spectacular ( and gruesome ) ... Why are n't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that are n't quite as destructive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strangely enough, nobody screamed outrage when bans against games, graphics, etc.
depicting child-p*rn were brought in...So - where do you draw the line in which crimes should be 'legal' as game subjects, and which ones should not be?Personally, I am somewhat sympathetic towards banning acts considered serious crimes in real life from being the subject of a game (by which I mean games requiring players to act out these types of crimes).On the other hand - the games industry is a bit lazy as well - obviously, for them it's less of an 'intellectual leap' releasing one first person shooter after another, with graphics becoming ever more spectacular (and gruesome)... Why aren't we seeing any games manufacturer try for a push in games that aren't quite as destructive?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196722</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>Kolargol00</author>
	<datestamp>1266572100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Morevoer, the Federal Council is opposed to the two <a href="http://www.parlament.ch/f/suche/Pages/geschaefte.aspx?gesch\_id=20073870" title="parlament.ch" rel="nofollow">proposed</a> [parlament.ch] <a href="http://www.parlament.ch/f/suche/pages/geschaefte.aspx?gesch\_id=20093422" title="parlament.ch" rel="nofollow">bills</a> [parlament.ch].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Morevoer , the Federal Council is opposed to the two proposed [ parlament.ch ] bills [ parlament.ch ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Morevoer, the Federal Council is opposed to the two proposed [parlament.ch] bills [parlament.ch].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201358</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1266604440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If as an adult you let the government treat you like a child, remember what happened to you as a child when you "said something mommy and daddy didn't like".</p></div><p>It's Switzerland we're talking about here. Their democracy is real. For the ban to pass and stay for any real period of time, it will have to have true popular support (otherwise they'll just kick it out on a referendum).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If as an adult you let the government treat you like a child , remember what happened to you as a child when you " said something mommy and daddy did n't like " .It 's Switzerland we 're talking about here .
Their democracy is real .
For the ban to pass and stay for any real period of time , it will have to have true popular support ( otherwise they 'll just kick it out on a referendum ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If as an adult you let the government treat you like a child, remember what happened to you as a child when you "said something mommy and daddy didn't like".It's Switzerland we're talking about here.
Their democracy is real.
For the ban to pass and stay for any real period of time, it will have to have true popular support (otherwise they'll just kick it out on a referendum).
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1266572280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mosques in Germany were infamous for getting a building permit for, say, 2 stories and then building a multistory monstrosity and ignoring any local goverment - either eating the fines or ignoring them relying on the Politically correct to shut up any opposition while they go ahead and dominate their neighbors sunlight and skyline.</p><p>Can't imagine it was much different in neighboring Switzerland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mosques in Germany were infamous for getting a building permit for , say , 2 stories and then building a multistory monstrosity and ignoring any local goverment - either eating the fines or ignoring them relying on the Politically correct to shut up any opposition while they go ahead and dominate their neighbors sunlight and skyline.Ca n't imagine it was much different in neighboring Switzerland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mosques in Germany were infamous for getting a building permit for, say, 2 stories and then building a multistory monstrosity and ignoring any local goverment - either eating the fines or ignoring them relying on the Politically correct to shut up any opposition while they go ahead and dominate their neighbors sunlight and skyline.Can't imagine it was much different in neighboring Switzerland.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196418</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1266611220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, this is about games which show certain patterns of flashing light (as opposed to those which show other patterns of flashing light). You see, some patterns of flashing light actually physically injure people (violence), so these patterns must be banned. It's no different than someone punching you on the street or shooting you with a gun, if you think about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is about games which show certain patterns of flashing light ( as opposed to those which show other patterns of flashing light ) .
You see , some patterns of flashing light actually physically injure people ( violence ) , so these patterns must be banned .
It 's no different than someone punching you on the street or shooting you with a gun , if you think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this is about games which show certain patterns of flashing light (as opposed to those which show other patterns of flashing light).
You see, some patterns of flashing light actually physically injure people (violence), so these patterns must be banned.
It's no different than someone punching you on the street or shooting you with a gun, if you think about it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196834</id>
	<title>Re:Slipperly slope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266573480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh you are?<br>How about reading a book about a murderer?<br>Or watching a tv show based on that? (YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH)</p><p>Should that be illegal too, since, tough it's fiction, it's still illegal?<br>Or is it only okay if the "bad guy" is doing it, and we shouldn't feel sympathetic for him in the first place?</p><p>Wait, that would still leave out batman.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh you are ? How about reading a book about a murderer ? Or watching a tv show based on that ?
( YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ) Should that be illegal too , since , tough it 's fiction , it 's still illegal ? Or is it only okay if the " bad guy " is doing it , and we should n't feel sympathetic for him in the first place ? Wait , that would still leave out batman .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh you are?How about reading a book about a murderer?Or watching a tv show based on that?
(YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH)Should that be illegal too, since, tough it's fiction, it's still illegal?Or is it only okay if the "bad guy" is doing it, and we shouldn't feel sympathetic for him in the first place?Wait, that would still leave out batman.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31197452</id>
	<title>Re:on positive side</title>
	<author>superFoieGras</author>
	<datestamp>1266580320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is true, but this also leads to moronic votes, like the bar owners canceling the anti-smoke laws.
There is also a propaganda culture in Switzerland (I work there), with shocking and graphical posters to encourage people to have a 'guts' vote instead of a 'brains' one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is true , but this also leads to moronic votes , like the bar owners canceling the anti-smoke laws .
There is also a propaganda culture in Switzerland ( I work there ) , with shocking and graphical posters to encourage people to have a 'guts ' vote instead of a 'brains ' one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is true, but this also leads to moronic votes, like the bar owners canceling the anti-smoke laws.
There is also a propaganda culture in Switzerland (I work there), with shocking and graphical posters to encourage people to have a 'guts' vote instead of a 'brains' one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31198660</id>
	<title>Re:Closer to home?</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1266592080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are you in for?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you in for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you in for?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196794</id>
	<title>Re:Watch those crime rates climb!</title>
	<author>BlueTrin</author>
	<datestamp>1266572940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hard to believe that this got modded informative, this is total anecdotal evidence. There has been at least one new gaming platform every 2 or 3 years. What is next ? A reply pointing out that the NES was linked to higher crime rates ?<br> <br>
You are bound to find anecdotal evidence if you look hard enough and this is a terrible example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard to believe that this got modded informative , this is total anecdotal evidence .
There has been at least one new gaming platform every 2 or 3 years .
What is next ?
A reply pointing out that the NES was linked to higher crime rates ?
You are bound to find anecdotal evidence if you look hard enough and this is a terrible example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to believe that this got modded informative, this is total anecdotal evidence.
There has been at least one new gaming platform every 2 or 3 years.
What is next ?
A reply pointing out that the NES was linked to higher crime rates ?
You are bound to find anecdotal evidence if you look hard enough and this is a terrible example.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196286</id>
	<title>Re:I can understand banning games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266522960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Swiss citizen I can firmly say I have no strong feelings on the subject whatsoever</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Swiss citizen I can firmly say I have no strong feelings on the subject whatsoever</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Swiss citizen I can firmly say I have no strong feelings on the subject whatsoever</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31196408</id>
	<title>Re:Part of a general pattern</title>
	<author>ZeRu</author>
	<datestamp>1266611040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, women in Switzerland didn't had the right to vote until as late as 1971.
They are also possibly the only country in the world - and certainly the only one in Europe - where car racing is banned. They introduced that law in 1955 after <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955\_Le\_Mans\_disaster" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Le Mans disaster</a> [wikipedia.org] and it's still in place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , women in Switzerland did n't had the right to vote until as late as 1971 .
They are also possibly the only country in the world - and certainly the only one in Europe - where car racing is banned .
They introduced that law in 1955 after Le Mans disaster [ wikipedia.org ] and it 's still in place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, women in Switzerland didn't had the right to vote until as late as 1971.
They are also possibly the only country in the world - and certainly the only one in Europe - where car racing is banned.
They introduced that law in 1955 after Le Mans disaster [wikipedia.org] and it's still in place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31201406</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Australian you instensitive clod!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266604740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, I thought Australians <i>were</i> insensitive clods. So where's the problem?
<p>
Just have a beer and get over it, mate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , I thought Australians were insensitive clods .
So where 's the problem ?
Just have a beer and get over it , mate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, I thought Australians were insensitive clods.
So where's the problem?
Just have a beer and get over it, mate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_19_008216.31199040</id>
	<title>Sources ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266594000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry guys, I understand you're so excited by this law but I haven't found any references on the swiss admin sites.</p><p>Are you sure you can thrust a newspaper without sources ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry guys , I understand you 're so excited by this law but I have n't found any references on the swiss admin sites.Are you sure you can thrust a newspaper without sources ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry guys, I understand you're so excited by this law but I haven't found any references on the swiss admin sites.Are you sure you can thrust a newspaper without sources ?</sentencetext>
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