<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_18_1846222</id>
	<title>PA School Spied On Students Via School-Issued Laptop Webcams</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266519120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jargon82 writes <i>"A Pennsylvania high school is <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html">using laptops they issued to students to spy on them in homes</a> and outside of school.  According to a <a href="http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf">class action filling</a> the webcams and microphones in these laptops could be remotely activated by school officials, and have been used in this role.  One student was accused of 'improper behavior in his home' and the school provided a photo taken via his laptop as proof."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jargon82 writes " A Pennsylvania high school is using laptops they issued to students to spy on them in homes and outside of school .
According to a class action filling the webcams and microphones in these laptops could be remotely activated by school officials , and have been used in this role .
One student was accused of 'improper behavior in his home ' and the school provided a photo taken via his laptop as proof .
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<sentencetext>jargon82 writes "A Pennsylvania high school is using laptops they issued to students to spy on them in homes and outside of school.
According to a class action filling the webcams and microphones in these laptops could be remotely activated by school officials, and have been used in this role.
One student was accused of 'improper behavior in his home' and the school provided a photo taken via his laptop as proof.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188606</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>WCMI92</author>
	<datestamp>1266524160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience, not surprised that some decided they would also be the police in these kids homes.</p></div><p>They are pretty much being trained to think of themselves as such, as it suits the government educational establishment and the goals of the statists who maintain a near government monopoly on education.</p><p>IE: control the kids, control the eventual adult.  Teach them that this is "normal" and that they aren't to step out of line or the state will be on them.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> I hope they lose this suit. Hard.</p> </div><p>So do I, but you will see the school district start pleading poverty, and they will get sympathetic treatment by the courts.  The courts, being another government entity aren't exactly impartial.</p><p>This case should go beyond suing.  These people should be locked up.  They should ALREADY be locked up pending trial.  People who would do such a thing, to monitor children in this way without any reason, without any consent, without any standing in law to do so are a threat to society and shouldn't be walking the streets, much less running a school!</p></div>
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<tokenext>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience , not surprised that some decided they would also be the police in these kids homes.They are pretty much being trained to think of themselves as such , as it suits the government educational establishment and the goals of the statists who maintain a near government monopoly on education.IE : control the kids , control the eventual adult .
Teach them that this is " normal " and that they are n't to step out of line or the state will be on them .
I hope they lose this suit .
Hard. So do I , but you will see the school district start pleading poverty , and they will get sympathetic treatment by the courts .
The courts , being another government entity are n't exactly impartial.This case should go beyond suing .
These people should be locked up .
They should ALREADY be locked up pending trial .
People who would do such a thing , to monitor children in this way without any reason , without any consent , without any standing in law to do so are a threat to society and should n't be walking the streets , much less running a school !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience, not surprised that some decided they would also be the police in these kids homes.They are pretty much being trained to think of themselves as such, as it suits the government educational establishment and the goals of the statists who maintain a near government monopoly on education.IE: control the kids, control the eventual adult.
Teach them that this is "normal" and that they aren't to step out of line or the state will be on them.
I hope they lose this suit.
Hard. So do I, but you will see the school district start pleading poverty, and they will get sympathetic treatment by the courts.
The courts, being another government entity aren't exactly impartial.This case should go beyond suing.
These people should be locked up.
They should ALREADY be locked up pending trial.
People who would do such a thing, to monitor children in this way without any reason, without any consent, without any standing in law to do so are a threat to society and shouldn't be walking the streets, much less running a school!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188408</id>
	<title>The ever growing list of reasons</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1266523560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>to homeschool. These education people are pretty fucked up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>to homeschool .
These education people are pretty fucked up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to homeschool.
These education people are pretty fucked up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188552</id>
	<title>Should</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone should go to jail for this.</p><p>Child porn charges should be raised, of course.  Further, the cameras/mics could be used to spy on anyone in the house, including adults who are not in any way, shape, or form under the guardianship of the school.  So any argument about guardianship is moot.</p><p>Sadly, no one will go to jail for this.  Some administrator will be told not to do it again, and the school board will be fined, and that will be the end of it.  At least, that is all that happened when a school nurse (not a cop) forced a child to strip and wiggle (without probable cause, for that matter).</p><p>I don't understand how a society that is so obsessed with protecting the children that it tries children as adults for crimes that wouldn't have been crimes if the children were adults can turn around and let adults off scott-free when they directly break the law to the detriment of children.</p><p>Irrationality really frustrates me.  And scares me, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone should go to jail for this.Child porn charges should be raised , of course .
Further , the cameras/mics could be used to spy on anyone in the house , including adults who are not in any way , shape , or form under the guardianship of the school .
So any argument about guardianship is moot.Sadly , no one will go to jail for this .
Some administrator will be told not to do it again , and the school board will be fined , and that will be the end of it .
At least , that is all that happened when a school nurse ( not a cop ) forced a child to strip and wiggle ( without probable cause , for that matter ) .I do n't understand how a society that is so obsessed with protecting the children that it tries children as adults for crimes that would n't have been crimes if the children were adults can turn around and let adults off scott-free when they directly break the law to the detriment of children.Irrationality really frustrates me .
And scares me , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone should go to jail for this.Child porn charges should be raised, of course.
Further, the cameras/mics could be used to spy on anyone in the house, including adults who are not in any way, shape, or form under the guardianship of the school.
So any argument about guardianship is moot.Sadly, no one will go to jail for this.
Some administrator will be told not to do it again, and the school board will be fined, and that will be the end of it.
At least, that is all that happened when a school nurse (not a cop) forced a child to strip and wiggle (without probable cause, for that matter).I don't understand how a society that is so obsessed with protecting the children that it tries children as adults for crimes that wouldn't have been crimes if the children were adults can turn around and let adults off scott-free when they directly break the law to the detriment of children.Irrationality really frustrates me.
And scares me, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190274</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266485580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a "pound me in the ass" prison</i></p><p>You're for brutal rape? Please get some psychaitric help, you obviously need it. NOBODY deserves to be raped, not even scum like these school admins, not even rapists themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a " pound me in the ass " prisonYou 're for brutal rape ?
Please get some psychaitric help , you obviously need it .
NOBODY deserves to be raped , not even scum like these school admins , not even rapists themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a "pound me in the ass" prisonYou're for brutal rape?
Please get some psychaitric help, you obviously need it.
NOBODY deserves to be raped, not even scum like these school admins, not even rapists themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188548</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope it didn't happen, but if it did, I hope they're prosecuted to whatever extent the somewhat ridiculous porn laws in the US will allow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope it did n't happen , but if it did , I hope they 're prosecuted to whatever extent the somewhat ridiculous porn laws in the US will allow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope it didn't happen, but if it did, I hope they're prosecuted to whatever extent the somewhat ridiculous porn laws in the US will allow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193492</id>
	<title>Minors' Rights Organizations?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266498900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This story has me wondering if there are any organizations dedicated to protecting minors' rights in the United States. Does anybody know of one?</p><p>When I was a teenager I saw the way adults treated us and thought it was unfair. I also couldn't say if it was truly unfair or just a lack of experience and a misperception as the "wronged" party, so I never raised more of a fuss than whining to a teacher or two. It did help that they agreed with me, but I still decided to wait.</p><p>Now that I'm older and have seen more of the world, I know I was right. Too many people treat teenagers as if they are less than people. Schools are especially terrible. The rights abuses they get away with are disgusting. If adults were treated by the police the way school administrators sometimes treat students we would raise holy hell. For example, Columbine brought more ridiculous and invasive policies and practices to schools in months than 9/11 has brought to the United States in eight and a half years, and yet the disgust about treatment of students never passed more than some inane rantings by Jon Katz while disgust about the reaction to 9/11 is a continual broad-based reaction. Personally my reaction to the treatment of minors has changed from being irritated to being disgusted to, with this, being deeply disturbed.</p><p>If there are no Minor's Rights organizations, there should be. What these students need representing them is not some ambulance-chasing lawyers, but a group that will be dedicated to bringing those responsible for this abuse to justice and doing what they can to make sure it doesn't happen again.</p><p>Does anybody know of any such organizations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This story has me wondering if there are any organizations dedicated to protecting minors ' rights in the United States .
Does anybody know of one ? When I was a teenager I saw the way adults treated us and thought it was unfair .
I also could n't say if it was truly unfair or just a lack of experience and a misperception as the " wronged " party , so I never raised more of a fuss than whining to a teacher or two .
It did help that they agreed with me , but I still decided to wait.Now that I 'm older and have seen more of the world , I know I was right .
Too many people treat teenagers as if they are less than people .
Schools are especially terrible .
The rights abuses they get away with are disgusting .
If adults were treated by the police the way school administrators sometimes treat students we would raise holy hell .
For example , Columbine brought more ridiculous and invasive policies and practices to schools in months than 9/11 has brought to the United States in eight and a half years , and yet the disgust about treatment of students never passed more than some inane rantings by Jon Katz while disgust about the reaction to 9/11 is a continual broad-based reaction .
Personally my reaction to the treatment of minors has changed from being irritated to being disgusted to , with this , being deeply disturbed.If there are no Minor 's Rights organizations , there should be .
What these students need representing them is not some ambulance-chasing lawyers , but a group that will be dedicated to bringing those responsible for this abuse to justice and doing what they can to make sure it does n't happen again.Does anybody know of any such organizations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This story has me wondering if there are any organizations dedicated to protecting minors' rights in the United States.
Does anybody know of one?When I was a teenager I saw the way adults treated us and thought it was unfair.
I also couldn't say if it was truly unfair or just a lack of experience and a misperception as the "wronged" party, so I never raised more of a fuss than whining to a teacher or two.
It did help that they agreed with me, but I still decided to wait.Now that I'm older and have seen more of the world, I know I was right.
Too many people treat teenagers as if they are less than people.
Schools are especially terrible.
The rights abuses they get away with are disgusting.
If adults were treated by the police the way school administrators sometimes treat students we would raise holy hell.
For example, Columbine brought more ridiculous and invasive policies and practices to schools in months than 9/11 has brought to the United States in eight and a half years, and yet the disgust about treatment of students never passed more than some inane rantings by Jon Katz while disgust about the reaction to 9/11 is a continual broad-based reaction.
Personally my reaction to the treatment of minors has changed from being irritated to being disgusted to, with this, being deeply disturbed.If there are no Minor's Rights organizations, there should be.
What these students need representing them is not some ambulance-chasing lawyers, but a group that will be dedicated to bringing those responsible for this abuse to justice and doing what they can to make sure it doesn't happen again.Does anybody know of any such organizations?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188640</id>
	<title>If you have something that you don't want anyone..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you have something that you don't want anyone to know,
maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.</p></div></blockquote><p>Eric Schmidt, Google</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have something that you do n't want anyone to know , maybe you should n't be doing it in the first place.Eric Schmidt , Google</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have something that you don't want anyone to know,
maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.Eric Schmidt, Google
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189224</id>
	<title>This story has not been confirmed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The AP is trying to confirm the story. The story has not been confirmed:</p><p>By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press Writer Maryclaire Dale, Associated Press Writer &ndash; 1 hr 30 mins ago</p><p>Superintendent Christopher W. McGinley did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press.</p><p>I have found nothing on the internet that would suggest this story is true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The AP is trying to confirm the story .
The story has not been confirmed : By MARYCLAIRE DALE , Associated Press Writer Maryclaire Dale , Associated Press Writer    1 hr 30 mins agoSuperintendent Christopher W. McGinley did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press.I have found nothing on the internet that would suggest this story is true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The AP is trying to confirm the story.
The story has not been confirmed:By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press Writer Maryclaire Dale, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 30 mins agoSuperintendent Christopher W. McGinley did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press.I have found nothing on the internet that would suggest this story is true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189610</id>
	<title>Someones head will roll for this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266483720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am certain that someone in that school system will be going down for this. It likely wont be the people most responsible, but someone is going to pay for this rediculously stupid and offensive idea. Just image how much "child porn" they must have collected and maybe sent across the internet . . . shweeew this will be fun to watch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am certain that someone in that school system will be going down for this .
It likely wont be the people most responsible , but someone is going to pay for this rediculously stupid and offensive idea .
Just image how much " child porn " they must have collected and maybe sent across the internet .
. .
shweeew this will be fun to watch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am certain that someone in that school system will be going down for this.
It likely wont be the people most responsible, but someone is going to pay for this rediculously stupid and offensive idea.
Just image how much "child porn" they must have collected and maybe sent across the internet .
. .
shweeew this will be fun to watch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191970</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266491100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a really intresting case for the right to privacy.  Does it matter if the equipment is state-owned and you signed a waiver to your privacy?  Maybe it's more reasonable that you had an expectation of privacy?</p><p>I think a reasonable person could presume that some low level monitoring of laptop security settings was happening, like antivirus logs being centrally managed, patches being managed.  If something was spotted to be astray there, and it led further and further to the conclusion that activities incompatible with a student's studies were being performed... that's one thing.</p><p>But to switch on the microphone and camera and start recording... didn't that cross a line?</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation\_of\_privacy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a really intresting case for the right to privacy .
Does it matter if the equipment is state-owned and you signed a waiver to your privacy ?
Maybe it 's more reasonable that you had an expectation of privacy ? I think a reasonable person could presume that some low level monitoring of laptop security settings was happening , like antivirus logs being centrally managed , patches being managed .
If something was spotted to be astray there , and it led further and further to the conclusion that activities incompatible with a student 's studies were being performed... that 's one thing.But to switch on the microphone and camera and start recording... did n't that cross a line ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation \ _of \ _privacy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a really intresting case for the right to privacy.
Does it matter if the equipment is state-owned and you signed a waiver to your privacy?
Maybe it's more reasonable that you had an expectation of privacy?I think a reasonable person could presume that some low level monitoring of laptop security settings was happening, like antivirus logs being centrally managed, patches being managed.
If something was spotted to be astray there, and it led further and further to the conclusion that activities incompatible with a student's studies were being performed... that's one thing.But to switch on the microphone and camera and start recording... didn't that cross a line?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation\_of\_privacy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188314</id>
	<title>If I went to school there...</title>
	<author>calibre-not-output</author>
	<datestamp>1266523320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... I'd undress and masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop the minute I heard of this, just to have grounds for suing. And then I'd wipe the hard drive and install Linux.

Am I the only person reminded of Orwell's Telescreens?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I 'd undress and masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop the minute I heard of this , just to have grounds for suing .
And then I 'd wipe the hard drive and install Linux .
Am I the only person reminded of Orwell 's Telescreens ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I'd undress and masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop the minute I heard of this, just to have grounds for suing.
And then I'd wipe the hard drive and install Linux.
Am I the only person reminded of Orwell's Telescreens?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188648</id>
	<title>Occams Razor will serve you well</title>
	<author>RapmasterT</author>
	<datestamp>1266524280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>When the media reports a story that sounds utterly beyond the pale of sensibility, take a deep breath and exercise some skepticism.
<br>
I got $100 that says the next few days will see some "clarification" of this story that will make it seem  significantly less reprehensible.
<br>
My bet is the kid used the webcam to take some photos that then ended up back at school.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When the media reports a story that sounds utterly beyond the pale of sensibility , take a deep breath and exercise some skepticism .
I got $ 100 that says the next few days will see some " clarification " of this story that will make it seem significantly less reprehensible .
My bet is the kid used the webcam to take some photos that then ended up back at school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the media reports a story that sounds utterly beyond the pale of sensibility, take a deep breath and exercise some skepticism.
I got $100 that says the next few days will see some "clarification" of this story that will make it seem  significantly less reprehensible.
My bet is the kid used the webcam to take some photos that then ended up back at school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189116</id>
	<title>Re:If I went to school there...</title>
	<author>mustafap</author>
	<datestamp>1266525660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Am I the only person reminded of Orwell's Telescreens?</p><p>No, my mind went numb after "masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop".<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Am I the only person reminded of Orwell 's Telescreens ? No , my mind went numb after " masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop " .
: o )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Am I the only person reminded of Orwell's Telescreens?No, my mind went numb after "masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop".
:o)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188424</id>
	<title>Big Brother</title>
	<author>AMDuser</author>
	<datestamp>1266523620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Big brother one it way to a school near you. I think we should do this to School officials and Government officials. The Students should have a Ubuntu live CD so that they can go off the record.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Big brother one it way to a school near you .
I think we should do this to School officials and Government officials .
The Students should have a Ubuntu live CD so that they can go off the record .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big brother one it way to a school near you.
I think we should do this to School officials and Government officials.
The Students should have a Ubuntu live CD so that they can go off the record.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190334</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266485700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's with you Americans and the perverse pleasure you take from the fact that your prisons are growing grounds for hardened criminals and rapists?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's with you Americans and the perverse pleasure you take from the fact that your prisons are growing grounds for hardened criminals and rapists ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's with you Americans and the perverse pleasure you take from the fact that your prisons are growing grounds for hardened criminals and rapists?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191554</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266489540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why the American school system is fucked. In the UK the schools compete for the kids, the parents get a choice on which school the child goes to on their grades in primary (elementary) school. I had a choice of 4 schools if I remember right. If the school was a "bad rep" school, then for the most part you would avoid going there unless all other places were taken in the others (it paid to do it early).</p><p>Here in America, you send your kid to wherever you pay your taxes, be it that school is bad or good. The teachers are in a job that will not go away as long as there is taxpayers spawning children in the area.</p><p>This is the wrong way to do it IMO. If that happened back home the school would lose staff, credibility and would end up not being a good school anymore. Would eventually close and the kids would all go to other schools in the area instead. Free enterprise in the schooling system, just like if a restaurant is bad it goes out of business so should schools.</p><p>Stupid fucked up American way, I feel sorry for the taxpayers too like you said!.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why the American school system is fucked .
In the UK the schools compete for the kids , the parents get a choice on which school the child goes to on their grades in primary ( elementary ) school .
I had a choice of 4 schools if I remember right .
If the school was a " bad rep " school , then for the most part you would avoid going there unless all other places were taken in the others ( it paid to do it early ) .Here in America , you send your kid to wherever you pay your taxes , be it that school is bad or good .
The teachers are in a job that will not go away as long as there is taxpayers spawning children in the area.This is the wrong way to do it IMO .
If that happened back home the school would lose staff , credibility and would end up not being a good school anymore .
Would eventually close and the kids would all go to other schools in the area instead .
Free enterprise in the schooling system , just like if a restaurant is bad it goes out of business so should schools.Stupid fucked up American way , I feel sorry for the taxpayers too like you said ! .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why the American school system is fucked.
In the UK the schools compete for the kids, the parents get a choice on which school the child goes to on their grades in primary (elementary) school.
I had a choice of 4 schools if I remember right.
If the school was a "bad rep" school, then for the most part you would avoid going there unless all other places were taken in the others (it paid to do it early).Here in America, you send your kid to wherever you pay your taxes, be it that school is bad or good.
The teachers are in a job that will not go away as long as there is taxpayers spawning children in the area.This is the wrong way to do it IMO.
If that happened back home the school would lose staff, credibility and would end up not being a good school anymore.
Would eventually close and the kids would all go to other schools in the area instead.
Free enterprise in the schooling system, just like if a restaurant is bad it goes out of business so should schools.Stupid fucked up American way, I feel sorry for the taxpayers too like you said!.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189198</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Dalambertian</author>
	<datestamp>1266525840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My spidey sense is telling me this has been going on in other school districts across the country; it's only by sheer stupidity that this instance was brought to light.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My spidey sense is telling me this has been going on in other school districts across the country ; it 's only by sheer stupidity that this instance was brought to light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My spidey sense is telling me this has been going on in other school districts across the country; it's only by sheer stupidity that this instance was brought to light.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189216</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>cwire4</author>
	<datestamp>1266525900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm amazed that it only got attention when it was put into practice and used against a student.  I don't really know who had access to the cameras and such, but at the very least the administration, IT staff of the school (or an outside company) had to know what was going on and no one objected to this?  I'd quit and blow the whistle on any company that had me basically bug equipment that was going out to users, especially kids.  I hope all of the families in the suit get enough money to retire on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm amazed that it only got attention when it was put into practice and used against a student .
I do n't really know who had access to the cameras and such , but at the very least the administration , IT staff of the school ( or an outside company ) had to know what was going on and no one objected to this ?
I 'd quit and blow the whistle on any company that had me basically bug equipment that was going out to users , especially kids .
I hope all of the families in the suit get enough money to retire on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm amazed that it only got attention when it was put into practice and used against a student.
I don't really know who had access to the cameras and such, but at the very least the administration, IT staff of the school (or an outside company) had to know what was going on and no one objected to this?
I'd quit and blow the whistle on any company that had me basically bug equipment that was going out to users, especially kids.
I hope all of the families in the suit get enough money to retire on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189156</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's assume for a minute that the complaint is correct and that the school was remotely monitoring some set of students. (This might not be correct.  Did the snapshot come from some public source like FaceBook?).</p><p>If it were my daughter's computer, I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney.  I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved.  They would need to face the felony charges that their behavior warranted.  Once that was rolling, I would go after the individuals (not the district) for civil damages.</p><p>Why give a pass to the deep pockets?  Simply because I don't want to have to look my neighbors in the face when a fractional point increase in their property taxes is required to pay a civil settlement that made me wealthy.  I have no problems bankrupting the people who authorized and deployed the tech.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's assume for a minute that the complaint is correct and that the school was remotely monitoring some set of students .
( This might not be correct .
Did the snapshot come from some public source like FaceBook ?
) .If it were my daughter 's computer , I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney .
I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney 's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved .
They would need to face the felony charges that their behavior warranted .
Once that was rolling , I would go after the individuals ( not the district ) for civil damages.Why give a pass to the deep pockets ?
Simply because I do n't want to have to look my neighbors in the face when a fractional point increase in their property taxes is required to pay a civil settlement that made me wealthy .
I have no problems bankrupting the people who authorized and deployed the tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's assume for a minute that the complaint is correct and that the school was remotely monitoring some set of students.
(This might not be correct.
Did the snapshot come from some public source like FaceBook?
).If it were my daughter's computer, I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney.
I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved.
They would need to face the felony charges that their behavior warranted.
Once that was rolling, I would go after the individuals (not the district) for civil damages.Why give a pass to the deep pockets?
Simply because I don't want to have to look my neighbors in the face when a fractional point increase in their property taxes is required to pay a civil settlement that made me wealthy.
I have no problems bankrupting the people who authorized and deployed the tech.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189306</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266526140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.</p></div><p>No, it is -way- worse than that. It's all the students in the district's two high schools AND all of their families.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.No , it is -way- worse than that .
It 's all the students in the district 's two high schools AND all of their families .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.No, it is -way- worse than that.
It's all the students in the district's two high schools AND all of their families.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188522</id>
	<title>Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>SirWhoopass</author>
	<datestamp>1266523860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beautiful job by the lawyers in this case. They're the only winners. It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class. Seeking liquidated damages, punitive damages, and attorney fees. Assuming they "win", then these same families will be able to vote themselves a new tax levy to pay for the damages awarded, plus the attorney fees of both sides.</p><p>On the face of it, the school screwed up royally. No doubt about it. But did anyone even <i>try</i> to work this out via another method? Did the school board know about this? Since they are probably parents in the district, my guess is that they did not know.</p><p>I think the board should fire the administration for cause. If they have to pay some lawyers to make that stick, so be it. It would still be less expensive than this class action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beautiful job by the lawyers in this case .
They 're the only winners .
It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class .
Seeking liquidated damages , punitive damages , and attorney fees .
Assuming they " win " , then these same families will be able to vote themselves a new tax levy to pay for the damages awarded , plus the attorney fees of both sides.On the face of it , the school screwed up royally .
No doubt about it .
But did anyone even try to work this out via another method ?
Did the school board know about this ?
Since they are probably parents in the district , my guess is that they did not know.I think the board should fire the administration for cause .
If they have to pay some lawyers to make that stick , so be it .
It would still be less expensive than this class action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beautiful job by the lawyers in this case.
They're the only winners.
It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.
Seeking liquidated damages, punitive damages, and attorney fees.
Assuming they "win", then these same families will be able to vote themselves a new tax levy to pay for the damages awarded, plus the attorney fees of both sides.On the face of it, the school screwed up royally.
No doubt about it.
But did anyone even try to work this out via another method?
Did the school board know about this?
Since they are probably parents in the district, my guess is that they did not know.I think the board should fire the administration for cause.
If they have to pay some lawyers to make that stick, so be it.
It would still be less expensive than this class action.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189868</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1266484500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government, you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...</p></div></blockquote><p>You don't understand how it works.</p><p>I agree that you don't want a government computer unless their are rules in place regarding how the government can access the system.</p><p>The laptops weren't bought with money the parents provided in taxes and then given back to the students.</p><p>The laptops were bought with money that EVERYONE in the tax area (probably based on school district naturally) provided, for the students to borrow.</p><p>You see, my tax money helped by those laptops as well, even though I don't have kids.  Those laptops were also probably bought with the intention of reusing after the students left, maybe given to another student or donated to somewhere else that can use them.</p><p>The students don't own the laptops, they are borrowing them, they are not there for the students to use in whatever way they want.  There is no rule that says 'you must use the school laptop while you jerk off at the pictures the head cheerleader sent you over AIM'.  They can use their own laptops if they don't like the rules that are attached to the government provided loaners.</p><p>I'm sure there are some administrators who crossed the line, by a mile, in this situation.  In the end, we may see criminal charges filed, but at this point there have been no obvious signs of a broken law.  The civil trial code very well (and I'm sure its part of the intent) point out the laws broken and result in a criminal trial.</p><p>But heres reality.</p><p>The kid did something wrong, otherwise we'd hear more about what he/she did from the lawyers for the kid.</p><p>The parents don't really give a shit about the fact that the kid was spied on, they want money.  They don't want to punish the responsible parties, they just want to get paid.  If the parents when 1 billion dollars, then it'll come from an insurance company and the school district's premiums will go up.  The administrators involved will be fired, move across the country and work at some other school who can't be picky about who it hires.</p><p>If the parents wanted to be responsible parents or even just actually punish the people who did wrong here, they'd have focused on finding a lawyer to chase the criminal aspect.  A criminal case could likely result in the people being put on Megan's list and would keep them out of working for any school system anywhere ever again, which would be far more effective as punishment and to ensure the safety of other children than a class action suit.</p><p>The parents don't even give a shit about their kids, its all about the greenbacks.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is why you do n't want " free " computers from the government , you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...You do n't understand how it works.I agree that you do n't want a government computer unless their are rules in place regarding how the government can access the system.The laptops were n't bought with money the parents provided in taxes and then given back to the students.The laptops were bought with money that EVERYONE in the tax area ( probably based on school district naturally ) provided , for the students to borrow.You see , my tax money helped by those laptops as well , even though I do n't have kids .
Those laptops were also probably bought with the intention of reusing after the students left , maybe given to another student or donated to somewhere else that can use them.The students do n't own the laptops , they are borrowing them , they are not there for the students to use in whatever way they want .
There is no rule that says 'you must use the school laptop while you jerk off at the pictures the head cheerleader sent you over AIM' .
They can use their own laptops if they do n't like the rules that are attached to the government provided loaners.I 'm sure there are some administrators who crossed the line , by a mile , in this situation .
In the end , we may see criminal charges filed , but at this point there have been no obvious signs of a broken law .
The civil trial code very well ( and I 'm sure its part of the intent ) point out the laws broken and result in a criminal trial.But heres reality.The kid did something wrong , otherwise we 'd hear more about what he/she did from the lawyers for the kid.The parents do n't really give a shit about the fact that the kid was spied on , they want money .
They do n't want to punish the responsible parties , they just want to get paid .
If the parents when 1 billion dollars , then it 'll come from an insurance company and the school district 's premiums will go up .
The administrators involved will be fired , move across the country and work at some other school who ca n't be picky about who it hires.If the parents wanted to be responsible parents or even just actually punish the people who did wrong here , they 'd have focused on finding a lawyer to chase the criminal aspect .
A criminal case could likely result in the people being put on Megan 's list and would keep them out of working for any school system anywhere ever again , which would be far more effective as punishment and to ensure the safety of other children than a class action suit.The parents do n't even give a shit about their kids , its all about the greenbacks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government, you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...You don't understand how it works.I agree that you don't want a government computer unless their are rules in place regarding how the government can access the system.The laptops weren't bought with money the parents provided in taxes and then given back to the students.The laptops were bought with money that EVERYONE in the tax area (probably based on school district naturally) provided, for the students to borrow.You see, my tax money helped by those laptops as well, even though I don't have kids.
Those laptops were also probably bought with the intention of reusing after the students left, maybe given to another student or donated to somewhere else that can use them.The students don't own the laptops, they are borrowing them, they are not there for the students to use in whatever way they want.
There is no rule that says 'you must use the school laptop while you jerk off at the pictures the head cheerleader sent you over AIM'.
They can use their own laptops if they don't like the rules that are attached to the government provided loaners.I'm sure there are some administrators who crossed the line, by a mile, in this situation.
In the end, we may see criminal charges filed, but at this point there have been no obvious signs of a broken law.
The civil trial code very well (and I'm sure its part of the intent) point out the laws broken and result in a criminal trial.But heres reality.The kid did something wrong, otherwise we'd hear more about what he/she did from the lawyers for the kid.The parents don't really give a shit about the fact that the kid was spied on, they want money.
They don't want to punish the responsible parties, they just want to get paid.
If the parents when 1 billion dollars, then it'll come from an insurance company and the school district's premiums will go up.
The administrators involved will be fired, move across the country and work at some other school who can't be picky about who it hires.If the parents wanted to be responsible parents or even just actually punish the people who did wrong here, they'd have focused on finding a lawyer to chase the criminal aspect.
A criminal case could likely result in the people being put on Megan's list and would keep them out of working for any school system anywhere ever again, which would be far more effective as punishment and to ensure the safety of other children than a class action suit.The parents don't even give a shit about their kids, its all about the greenbacks.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31201600</id>
	<title>Re:LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegati</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266605520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> How did the security feature work?<br>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments. The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.</p></div><p>"I suspect that Hottie McCheerleader's laptop has gone missing again."<br>"Better fire up the tracking software...  Nope it looks like it's still sitting in her bedroom."<br>"We better keep an eye on it, just in case it's a set, created by the thief, so that we'd believe it hadn't been stolen.  I saw that in Ocean's Eleven."</p></div>
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<tokenext>How did the security feature work ? Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments .
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator 's screen .
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever .
" I suspect that Hottie McCheerleader 's laptop has gone missing again .
" " Better fire up the tracking software... Nope it looks like it 's still sitting in her bedroom .
" " We better keep an eye on it , just in case it 's a set , created by the thief , so that we 'd believe it had n't been stolen .
I saw that in Ocean 's Eleven .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> How did the security feature work?Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments.
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen.
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.
"I suspect that Hottie McCheerleader's laptop has gone missing again.
""Better fire up the tracking software...  Nope it looks like it's still sitting in her bedroom.
""We better keep an eye on it, just in case it's a set, created by the thief, so that we'd believe it hadn't been stolen.
I saw that in Ocean's Eleven.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190010</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!</title>
	<author>Jedi Alec</author>
	<datestamp>1266484860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a parent nor am I prone to violence, but I can only think of one proper response to finding out some jackass has been secretly watching kids through school-issued laptops: a swift fist to the face.</p><p>Followed by criminal charges for both the fist and the watching and heck, it would be worth it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a parent nor am I prone to violence , but I can only think of one proper response to finding out some jackass has been secretly watching kids through school-issued laptops : a swift fist to the face.Followed by criminal charges for both the fist and the watching and heck , it would be worth it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a parent nor am I prone to violence, but I can only think of one proper response to finding out some jackass has been secretly watching kids through school-issued laptops: a swift fist to the face.Followed by criminal charges for both the fist and the watching and heck, it would be worth it...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192406</id>
	<title>School Admintrators:  Please Note!</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1266493440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>George Orwell's 1984 is a lot of things, but it is not to be used as a handbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>George Orwell 's 1984 is a lot of things , but it is not to be used as a handbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>George Orwell's 1984 is a lot of things, but it is not to be used as a handbook.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>bhtooefr</author>
	<datestamp>1266525240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you had a teacher who was on your side, present for that decision, and willing to testify, you could file charges against the administrators themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had a teacher who was on your side , present for that decision , and willing to testify , you could file charges against the administrators themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had a teacher who was on your side, present for that decision, and willing to testify, you could file charges against the administrators themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189568</id>
	<title>I would place my bet on it will happen.</title>
	<author>d474</author>
	<datestamp>1266483600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you have 1800 highschool students being monitored by their webcams on their laptops, IN THEIR BEDROOMS, you know some of those kids were probably masturbating to internet porn or having sex with their girlfriend/boyfriend.  IN HAPPENS.  They are humans.<br> <br>These school officials are entering a world of hurt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have 1800 highschool students being monitored by their webcams on their laptops , IN THEIR BEDROOMS , you know some of those kids were probably masturbating to internet porn or having sex with their girlfriend/boyfriend .
IN HAPPENS .
They are humans .
These school officials are entering a world of hurt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have 1800 highschool students being monitored by their webcams on their laptops, IN THEIR BEDROOMS, you know some of those kids were probably masturbating to internet porn or having sex with their girlfriend/boyfriend.
IN HAPPENS.
They are humans.
These school officials are entering a world of hurt.</sentencetext>
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	<title>The Letter from the District to All Parents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266514260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The following letter was sent to all parents in the district:<br>--<br>Dear LMSD Parents/Guardians,</p><p>Our history has been to go to great lengths to protect the privacy of our students; whether it comes to student health, academic or other records. In fact, many of you may remember the heated debate over whether to have security cameras monitor some of our food vending machines. Privacy is a basic right in our society and a matter we take very seriously. We believe that a good job can always be done better.<br>Recent publicity regarding the District&rsquo;s one-to-one high school laptop initiative, and questions about the security of student laptops prompted our administration to revisit security procedures.<br>Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property. District laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops. The security feature, which was disabled today, was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.<br>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments. The security feature&rsquo;s capabilities were limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature was only used for the narrow purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District never activated the security feature for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.<br>As a result of our preliminary review of security procedures today, I directed the following actions:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Immediate disabling of the security-tracking program.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A thorough review of the existing policies for student laptop use.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A review of security procedures to help safeguard the protection of privacy; including a review of the instances in which the security software was activated. We want to ensure that any affected students and families are made aware of the outcome of laptop recovery investigations.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A review of any other technology areas in which the intersection of privacy and security may come into play.<br>We are proud of the fact that we are a leader in providing laptops to every high school student as part of our instructional program. But we need to be equally as proud of the safeguards we have in place to protect the privacy of the users, as well as to safeguard district-owned property while being used by students.<br>We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families. If you have any questions or concerns, please email us at info@lmsd.org. Additional information has been posted on our website, www.lmsd.org.<br>Thank you for your time and attention.<br>Sincerely,<br>Dr. Christopher W. McGinley<br>Superintendent of Schools<br>Lower Merion School District</p><p>Do Not Reply. This is not a reply e-mail address.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The following letter was sent to all parents in the district : --Dear LMSD Parents/Guardians,Our history has been to go to great lengths to protect the privacy of our students ; whether it comes to student health , academic or other records .
In fact , many of you may remember the heated debate over whether to have security cameras monitor some of our food vending machines .
Privacy is a basic right in our society and a matter we take very seriously .
We believe that a good job can always be done better.Recent publicity regarding the District    s one-to-one high school laptop initiative , and questions about the security of student laptops prompted our administration to revisit security procedures.Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property .
District laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost , stolen and missing laptops .
The security feature , which was disabled today , was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost , missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments .
The security feature    s capabilities were limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator 's screen .
This feature was only used for the narrow purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District never activated the security feature for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.As a result of our preliminary review of security procedures today , I directed the following actions :                   Immediate disabling of the security-tracking program .
                  A thorough review of the existing policies for student laptop use .
                  A review of security procedures to help safeguard the protection of privacy ; including a review of the instances in which the security software was activated .
We want to ensure that any affected students and families are made aware of the outcome of laptop recovery investigations .
                  A review of any other technology areas in which the intersection of privacy and security may come into play.We are proud of the fact that we are a leader in providing laptops to every high school student as part of our instructional program .
But we need to be equally as proud of the safeguards we have in place to protect the privacy of the users , as well as to safeguard district-owned property while being used by students.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families .
If you have any questions or concerns , please email us at info @ lmsd.org .
Additional information has been posted on our website , www.lmsd.org.Thank you for your time and attention.Sincerely,Dr .
Christopher W. McGinleySuperintendent of SchoolsLower Merion School DistrictDo Not Reply .
This is not a reply e-mail address .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The following letter was sent to all parents in the district:--Dear LMSD Parents/Guardians,Our history has been to go to great lengths to protect the privacy of our students; whether it comes to student health, academic or other records.
In fact, many of you may remember the heated debate over whether to have security cameras monitor some of our food vending machines.
Privacy is a basic right in our society and a matter we take very seriously.
We believe that a good job can always be done better.Recent publicity regarding the District’s one-to-one high school laptop initiative, and questions about the security of student laptops prompted our administration to revisit security procedures.Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property.
District laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops.
The security feature, which was disabled today, was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments.
The security feature’s capabilities were limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen.
This feature was only used for the narrow purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District never activated the security feature for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.As a result of our preliminary review of security procedures today, I directed the following actions:
                  Immediate disabling of the security-tracking program.
                  A thorough review of the existing policies for student laptop use.
                  A review of security procedures to help safeguard the protection of privacy; including a review of the instances in which the security software was activated.
We want to ensure that any affected students and families are made aware of the outcome of laptop recovery investigations.
                  A review of any other technology areas in which the intersection of privacy and security may come into play.We are proud of the fact that we are a leader in providing laptops to every high school student as part of our instructional program.
But we need to be equally as proud of the safeguards we have in place to protect the privacy of the users, as well as to safeguard district-owned property while being used by students.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families.
If you have any questions or concerns, please email us at info@lmsd.org.
Additional information has been posted on our website, www.lmsd.org.Thank you for your time and attention.Sincerely,Dr.
Christopher W. McGinleySuperintendent of SchoolsLower Merion School DistrictDo Not Reply.
This is not a reply e-mail address.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193428</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266498540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"22.  An examination of all of the written documentation accompanying the laptop, as well as any documentation appearing on any website or handed out to students or parents concerning the use of the laptop, reveals that no reference is made to the fact that the school district has the ability to remotely activate the embedded webcam at any time the school district wished to intercept images from that webcam of anyone or anything appearing in front of the camera at the time of the activation."</p><p>Yeah.  That school district is fucked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 22 .
An examination of all of the written documentation accompanying the laptop , as well as any documentation appearing on any website or handed out to students or parents concerning the use of the laptop , reveals that no reference is made to the fact that the school district has the ability to remotely activate the embedded webcam at any time the school district wished to intercept images from that webcam of anyone or anything appearing in front of the camera at the time of the activation. " Yeah .
That school district is fucked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"22.
An examination of all of the written documentation accompanying the laptop, as well as any documentation appearing on any website or handed out to students or parents concerning the use of the laptop, reveals that no reference is made to the fact that the school district has the ability to remotely activate the embedded webcam at any time the school district wished to intercept images from that webcam of anyone or anything appearing in front of the camera at the time of the activation."Yeah.
That school district is fucked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188294</id>
	<title>Logistics?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Going through the data generated by this would require a ton of manpower, I would imagine... so were they actually paying people to spy on students after school hours were over?  Or did they just pick kids they really hated and wait for them to do something incriminating?  Who came up with this?! It boggles the mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Going through the data generated by this would require a ton of manpower , I would imagine... so were they actually paying people to spy on students after school hours were over ?
Or did they just pick kids they really hated and wait for them to do something incriminating ?
Who came up with this ? !
It boggles the mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going through the data generated by this would require a ton of manpower, I would imagine... so were they actually paying people to spy on students after school hours were over?
Or did they just pick kids they really hated and wait for them to do something incriminating?
Who came up with this?!
It boggles the mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195720</id>
	<title>Re:Teaching them early</title>
	<author>galadriel</author>
	<datestamp>1266514800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kid from the school defends admins' use of the remote surveillance here (in essence "because what he was doing was wrong"):<br><a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html#comment-716313" title="boingboing.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html#comment-716313</a> [boingboing.net]</p><p>Yes, they're indoctrinating kids to think that this kind of thing is okay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kid from the school defends admins ' use of the remote surveillance here ( in essence " because what he was doing was wrong " ) : http : //www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html # comment-716313 [ boingboing.net ] Yes , they 're indoctrinating kids to think that this kind of thing is okay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kid from the school defends admins' use of the remote surveillance here (in essence "because what he was doing was wrong"):http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html#comment-716313 [boingboing.net]Yes, they're indoctrinating kids to think that this kind of thing is okay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195360</id>
	<title>Re:If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>ibennetch</author>
	<datestamp>1266511020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very interesting, but compare the details of the filing to the statement released by the superintendant that states:</p><blockquote><div><p>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments...This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.</p></div></blockquote><p>Seems someone needs to get their story straight...</p><p><i>Seriously, what could have made the school district think that this was, in any way, a good idea?</i><br>Well, it seems bone-headed now but a year ago when (theoretically, I don't actually know) a few laptops were stolen on the bus, from the locker rooms...figuring out which students were stealing them doesn't seem so bad, does it? Okay, you're right, it still seems like a bad idea...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Very interesting , but compare the details of the filing to the statement released by the superintendant that states : Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments...This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.Seems someone needs to get their story straight...Seriously , what could have made the school district think that this was , in any way , a good idea ? Well , it seems bone-headed now but a year ago when ( theoretically , I do n't actually know ) a few laptops were stolen on the bus , from the locker rooms...figuring out which students were stealing them does n't seem so bad , does it ?
Okay , you 're right , it still seems like a bad idea.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very interesting, but compare the details of the filing to the statement released by the superintendant that states:Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments...This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.Seems someone needs to get their story straight...Seriously, what could have made the school district think that this was, in any way, a good idea?Well, it seems bone-headed now but a year ago when (theoretically, I don't actually know) a few laptops were stolen on the bus, from the locker rooms...figuring out which students were stealing them doesn't seem so bad, does it?
Okay, you're right, it still seems like a bad idea...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188838</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>LoverOfJoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266524940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Abusing their little sister? In cases of child abuse they are required to report it. More likely, though, the inappropriate behavior was something stupid like making out with their girlfriend.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Abusing their little sister ?
In cases of child abuse they are required to report it .
More likely , though , the inappropriate behavior was something stupid like making out with their girlfriend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Abusing their little sister?
In cases of child abuse they are required to report it.
More likely, though, the inappropriate behavior was something stupid like making out with their girlfriend.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194786</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics?</title>
	<author>\_LORAX\_</author>
	<datestamp>1266506880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>School is reporting that it's a "phone home" feature activated for suspected stolen or missing laptops.  This kid and his parents are full of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>School is reporting that it 's a " phone home " feature activated for suspected stolen or missing laptops .
This kid and his parents are full of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School is reporting that it's a "phone home" feature activated for suspected stolen or missing laptops.
This kid and his parents are full of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193214</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266497280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder about this too. As far as I know, my home is my home, and I can freely walk around half-naked wearing a purple tutu, yellow feathers up my *ss, look at Megan Fox pictures while liberally indulging in a lot of depraved sex acts with green stuffed bunnies imagining one of them is Bill Clinton, and I still wouldn't be doing anything wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder about this too .
As far as I know , my home is my home , and I can freely walk around half-naked wearing a purple tutu , yellow feathers up my * ss , look at Megan Fox pictures while liberally indulging in a lot of depraved sex acts with green stuffed bunnies imagining one of them is Bill Clinton , and I still would n't be doing anything wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder about this too.
As far as I know, my home is my home, and I can freely walk around half-naked wearing a purple tutu, yellow feathers up my *ss, look at Megan Fox pictures while liberally indulging in a lot of depraved sex acts with green stuffed bunnies imagining one of them is Bill Clinton, and I still wouldn't be doing anything wrong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31210810</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1266689220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps they chose the students they really wanted to see naked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps they chose the students they really wanted to see naked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps they chose the students they really wanted to see naked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188560</id>
	<title>Webcams probably not activated remotely</title>
	<author>m\_dob</author>
	<datestamp>1266524040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If, on the other hand, the student had a program like Photo Booth or Skype and in use, the school administrator would have been able to see what the webcam saw. The court filing does not seem to state with any authority what software or system was used.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If , on the other hand , the student had a program like Photo Booth or Skype and in use , the school administrator would have been able to see what the webcam saw .
The court filing does not seem to state with any authority what software or system was used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If, on the other hand, the student had a program like Photo Booth or Skype and in use, the school administrator would have been able to see what the webcam saw.
The court filing does not seem to state with any authority what software or system was used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188394</id>
	<title>Hang on there.. year 2010 is coming....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and World War III is around the corner.  In the New Age, the eastern civilization will replace the barbaric western civilization and true enlightenment will come. A society without government and slavery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and World War III is around the corner .
In the New Age , the eastern civilization will replace the barbaric western civilization and true enlightenment will come .
A society without government and slavery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and World War III is around the corner.
In the New Age, the eastern civilization will replace the barbaric western civilization and true enlightenment will come.
A society without government and slavery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188588</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1266524100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the full list of claims they're making:</p><p><b>Electronic Communications Privacy Act</b> - interception of communications<br><b>Computer Fraud and Abuse Act</b> - exceeding authorized access<br><b>Stored Communication Act</b> - more unauthorized access<br><b>Civil Rights Act</b> - Invasion of Privacy<br><b>4th Amendment</b> - Invasion of Privacy<br><b>Pennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act</b> - wiretapping<br><b>Pennsylvania common law</b> (1) - Invasion of Privacy</p><p>(1) footnote reads: "Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [...] Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder."</p><p>Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all their family members.<br>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the full list of claims they 're making : Electronic Communications Privacy Act - interception of communicationsComputer Fraud and Abuse Act - exceeding authorized accessStored Communication Act - more unauthorized accessCivil Rights Act - Invasion of Privacy4th Amendment - Invasion of PrivacyPennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act - wiretappingPennsylvania common law ( 1 ) - Invasion of Privacy ( 1 ) footnote reads : " Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [ ... ] Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder .
" Bonus : Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students , but all their family members.That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the full list of claims they're making:Electronic Communications Privacy Act - interception of communicationsComputer Fraud and Abuse Act - exceeding authorized accessStored Communication Act - more unauthorized accessCivil Rights Act - Invasion of Privacy4th Amendment - Invasion of PrivacyPennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act - wiretappingPennsylvania common law (1) - Invasion of Privacy(1) footnote reads: "Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [...] Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder.
"Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all their family members.That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191818</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1266490680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Inappropriate behavior"<br>n. Anything the school deems inappropriate. "Bart Simpson was given detention by Principal Skinner for inappropriate behavior observed on a school-issued laptop. He was brushing his teeth."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Inappropriate behavior " n. Anything the school deems inappropriate .
" Bart Simpson was given detention by Principal Skinner for inappropriate behavior observed on a school-issued laptop .
He was brushing his teeth .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Inappropriate behavior"n. Anything the school deems inappropriate.
"Bart Simpson was given detention by Principal Skinner for inappropriate behavior observed on a school-issued laptop.
He was brushing his teeth.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188974</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all their family members.
That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</p></div></blockquote><p>You mean the taxpayers in that school district are fuuuuucked.<br> <br>But I sure hope anyone who had a hand in it is canned.<br> <br>That said... the laptops were provided by the school.  Just like my employer, I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.  Turning the webcams on definitely crossed the line in terms of monitoring, IMO.  What if some kid was doing their homework in their underwear, or naked?  That's using the laptop for sanctioned purposes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bonus : Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students , but all their family members .
That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedYou mean the taxpayers in that school district are fuuuuucked .
But I sure hope anyone who had a hand in it is canned .
That said... the laptops were provided by the school .
Just like my employer , I 'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored , non-official use is verboten , etc .
Turning the webcams on definitely crossed the line in terms of monitoring , IMO .
What if some kid was doing their homework in their underwear , or naked ?
That 's using the laptop for sanctioned purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all their family members.
That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedYou mean the taxpayers in that school district are fuuuuucked.
But I sure hope anyone who had a hand in it is canned.
That said... the laptops were provided by the school.
Just like my employer, I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.
Turning the webcams on definitely crossed the line in terms of monitoring, IMO.
What if some kid was doing their homework in their underwear, or naked?
That's using the laptop for sanctioned purposes.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189406</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1266526440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This goes far beyond stupid school administrators, this is a blatant case of GOVERNMENT actors out of control, willfully violating the Constitution (and scores of other laws) and they need to be punished. Not just fired, everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a "pound me in the ass" prison.</p></div><p>If I may be so bold as to interrupt your little robotic anti-government ideological dance, you might want to consider the inconsistency and irony involved in decrying the violation of constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure while simultaneously clamoring for unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment. Or did they decide that anal rape was now okay at the last gathering of the local teabaggers?</p><p>It's also worth considering that <i>private</i> actors have vastly more leeway when it comes to invasion of privacy that the government. In many states, I can record telephone calls without the other party's knowledge, and in all of them, I can personally wear a hidden recording device on public or private property, and if I run a business that you patronize, there's hardly any limit to the information I can collect. The government requires warrants for that crap, and the failure of this particular local government agency to do so makes it possible for its victims to seek redress in the courts. If it had been a private business monitoring its employees, there'd be a lot less their victims could do about it.</p><p>But yeah, government is evil. So keep calling for the government to press criminal charges. And after driving them from government courts in government vehicles over government roads to a government prison, lock the government door and throw away the government key. I presume the ass-pounding will have to come from some imprisoned private entrepreneur, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This goes far beyond stupid school administrators , this is a blatant case of GOVERNMENT actors out of control , willfully violating the Constitution ( and scores of other laws ) and they need to be punished .
Not just fired , everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a " pound me in the ass " prison.If I may be so bold as to interrupt your little robotic anti-government ideological dance , you might want to consider the inconsistency and irony involved in decrying the violation of constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure while simultaneously clamoring for unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment .
Or did they decide that anal rape was now okay at the last gathering of the local teabaggers ? It 's also worth considering that private actors have vastly more leeway when it comes to invasion of privacy that the government .
In many states , I can record telephone calls without the other party 's knowledge , and in all of them , I can personally wear a hidden recording device on public or private property , and if I run a business that you patronize , there 's hardly any limit to the information I can collect .
The government requires warrants for that crap , and the failure of this particular local government agency to do so makes it possible for its victims to seek redress in the courts .
If it had been a private business monitoring its employees , there 'd be a lot less their victims could do about it.But yeah , government is evil .
So keep calling for the government to press criminal charges .
And after driving them from government courts in government vehicles over government roads to a government prison , lock the government door and throw away the government key .
I presume the ass-pounding will have to come from some imprisoned private entrepreneur , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This goes far beyond stupid school administrators, this is a blatant case of GOVERNMENT actors out of control, willfully violating the Constitution (and scores of other laws) and they need to be punished.
Not just fired, everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a "pound me in the ass" prison.If I may be so bold as to interrupt your little robotic anti-government ideological dance, you might want to consider the inconsistency and irony involved in decrying the violation of constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure while simultaneously clamoring for unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment.
Or did they decide that anal rape was now okay at the last gathering of the local teabaggers?It's also worth considering that private actors have vastly more leeway when it comes to invasion of privacy that the government.
In many states, I can record telephone calls without the other party's knowledge, and in all of them, I can personally wear a hidden recording device on public or private property, and if I run a business that you patronize, there's hardly any limit to the information I can collect.
The government requires warrants for that crap, and the failure of this particular local government agency to do so makes it possible for its victims to seek redress in the courts.
If it had been a private business monitoring its employees, there'd be a lot less their victims could do about it.But yeah, government is evil.
So keep calling for the government to press criminal charges.
And after driving them from government courts in government vehicles over government roads to a government prison, lock the government door and throw away the government key.
I presume the ass-pounding will have to come from some imprisoned private entrepreneur, though.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189678</id>
	<title>Re:convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266483900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You obviously don't work for a school system and it has been a while since you attended one. Have you seen the people that work in those ahem... Institutions of learning! The good looking ones are already locked up for sleeping with their students and the rest... Well let's just leave it there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously do n't work for a school system and it has been a while since you attended one .
Have you seen the people that work in those ahem... Institutions of learning !
The good looking ones are already locked up for sleeping with their students and the rest... Well let 's just leave it there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously don't work for a school system and it has been a while since you attended one.
Have you seen the people that work in those ahem... Institutions of learning!
The good looking ones are already locked up for sleeping with their students and the rest... Well let's just leave it there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189064</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I link this story to one of my friends or put it on my blog, I would probably use the slashdot story. Does that mean I work for slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I link this story to one of my friends or put it on my blog , I would probably use the slashdot story .
Does that mean I work for slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I link this story to one of my friends or put it on my blog, I would probably use the slashdot story.
Does that mean I work for slashdot?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188286</id>
	<title>Could be embarrassing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could be rather embarrassing for the school, and they may even get in trouble, if they turned on the camera when the student was using the laptop in a situation where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy - such as while sitting on the toilet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could be rather embarrassing for the school , and they may even get in trouble , if they turned on the camera when the student was using the laptop in a situation where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy - such as while sitting on the toilet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could be rather embarrassing for the school, and they may even get in trouble, if they turned on the camera when the student was using the laptop in a situation where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy - such as while sitting on the toilet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193314</id>
	<title>Is there clean up?</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1266497880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>any idea on the software used?<br>
MS, flash ect? <br>
Good admins and school officials should lock this down in the OS so no outside person can ever access a cam.<br>
If it was sypware, look for it and remove.<br>
Change the intro class for the new laptop to include a cover then not doing class work.<br>
Will not help if chatting with a friend, but makes most aware that the cam may be 'on'</htmltext>
<tokenext>any idea on the software used ?
MS , flash ect ?
Good admins and school officials should lock this down in the OS so no outside person can ever access a cam .
If it was sypware , look for it and remove .
Change the intro class for the new laptop to include a cover then not doing class work .
Will not help if chatting with a friend , but makes most aware that the cam may be 'on'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>any idea on the software used?
MS, flash ect?
Good admins and school officials should lock this down in the OS so no outside person can ever access a cam.
If it was sypware, look for it and remove.
Change the intro class for the new laptop to include a cover then not doing class work.
Will not help if chatting with a friend, but makes most aware that the cam may be 'on'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195004</id>
	<title>School District's Response to Lawsuit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266508380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">LMSD Response</a> [lmsd.org]<br>Dear LMSD Community,</p><p>Last year, our district became one of the first school systems in the United States to provide laptop computers to all high school students. This initiative has been well received and has provided educational benefits to our students.</p><p>The District is dedicated to protecting and promoting student privacy. The laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops. This feature has been deactivated effective today.</p><p>The following questions and answers help explain the background behind the initial decision to install the tracking-security feature, its limited use, and next steps.</p><p>
&nbsp; Why are webcams installed on student laptops?</p><p>The Apple computers that the District provides to students come equipped with webcams and students are free to utilize this feature for educational purposes.</p><p>
&nbsp; Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed?</p><p>Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property. The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.</p><p>
&nbsp; How did the security feature work?</p><p>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments. The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.</p><p>
&nbsp; Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature?</p><p>Not without express written notification to all students and families.</p><p>We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families. We are reviewing the matter and will provide an additional update as soon as information becomes available.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>Dr. Christopher McGinley<br>Superintendent</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LMSD Response [ lmsd.org ] Dear LMSD Community,Last year , our district became one of the first school systems in the United States to provide laptop computers to all high school students .
This initiative has been well received and has provided educational benefits to our students.The District is dedicated to protecting and promoting student privacy .
The laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost , stolen and missing laptops .
This feature has been deactivated effective today.The following questions and answers help explain the background behind the initial decision to install the tracking-security feature , its limited use , and next steps .
  Why are webcams installed on student laptops ? The Apple computers that the District provides to students come equipped with webcams and students are free to utilize this feature for educational purposes .
  Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed ? Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property .
The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost , missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student .
  How did the security feature work ? Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments .
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator 's screen .
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever .
  Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature ? Not without express written notification to all students and families.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families .
We are reviewing the matter and will provide an additional update as soon as information becomes available.Sincerely,Dr .
Christopher McGinleySuperintendent</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LMSD Response [lmsd.org]Dear LMSD Community,Last year, our district became one of the first school systems in the United States to provide laptop computers to all high school students.
This initiative has been well received and has provided educational benefits to our students.The District is dedicated to protecting and promoting student privacy.
The laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops.
This feature has been deactivated effective today.The following questions and answers help explain the background behind the initial decision to install the tracking-security feature, its limited use, and next steps.
  Why are webcams installed on student laptops?The Apple computers that the District provides to students come equipped with webcams and students are free to utilize this feature for educational purposes.
  Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed?Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property.
The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.
  How did the security feature work?Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments.
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen.
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.
  Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature?Not without express written notification to all students and families.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families.
We are reviewing the matter and will provide an additional update as soon as information becomes available.Sincerely,Dr.
Christopher McGinleySuperintendent</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191636</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266489960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With law:<br>Your neighbor breaks into your car and risk a punishment from the state.</p><p>Without law:<br>Your neighbor breaks into your car and risk a punishment from you/the neighbourhood.</p><p>If the majority of people in an anarchy wanted anarchy, they would fight the groups that wants power and possibly win. If the majority wanted anarchy the anarchy would be an democracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With law : Your neighbor breaks into your car and risk a punishment from the state.Without law : Your neighbor breaks into your car and risk a punishment from you/the neighbourhood.If the majority of people in an anarchy wanted anarchy , they would fight the groups that wants power and possibly win .
If the majority wanted anarchy the anarchy would be an democracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With law:Your neighbor breaks into your car and risk a punishment from the state.Without law:Your neighbor breaks into your car and risk a punishment from you/the neighbourhood.If the majority of people in an anarchy wanted anarchy, they would fight the groups that wants power and possibly win.
If the majority wanted anarchy the anarchy would be an democracy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191488</id>
	<title>Perversion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266489300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when has it been a school's job to monitor a student's behavior anywhere? It is the school's job to provide students with an atmosphere which is proper for learning, and nothing more. Additionally, what if that person had been unclothed during such video taping? Cameras are only allowed to be put up in certain places express written consent of the police or another government agency. In other words, cameras are not allowed in bathrooms in order to grant people privacy. For what reason, then, would these bastards be able to get away with this? What if it was some pedophile just trying to look at kids who happen to use their computer in their bare essentials or less? Who's to say that they did not see a naked 15 year old girl? The line stops when the student leaves school property- whether the laptop is school property or not, it has no place being used for this.</p><p>As for the people who did this- they deserve excessive jail-time. I'd love to say the death penalty, because their arrogance offends me so greatly, however some might view this as severe. Either way, everyone involved deserves to be turned down from every job they ever apply to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when has it been a school 's job to monitor a student 's behavior anywhere ?
It is the school 's job to provide students with an atmosphere which is proper for learning , and nothing more .
Additionally , what if that person had been unclothed during such video taping ?
Cameras are only allowed to be put up in certain places express written consent of the police or another government agency .
In other words , cameras are not allowed in bathrooms in order to grant people privacy .
For what reason , then , would these bastards be able to get away with this ?
What if it was some pedophile just trying to look at kids who happen to use their computer in their bare essentials or less ?
Who 's to say that they did not see a naked 15 year old girl ?
The line stops when the student leaves school property- whether the laptop is school property or not , it has no place being used for this.As for the people who did this- they deserve excessive jail-time .
I 'd love to say the death penalty , because their arrogance offends me so greatly , however some might view this as severe .
Either way , everyone involved deserves to be turned down from every job they ever apply to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when has it been a school's job to monitor a student's behavior anywhere?
It is the school's job to provide students with an atmosphere which is proper for learning, and nothing more.
Additionally, what if that person had been unclothed during such video taping?
Cameras are only allowed to be put up in certain places express written consent of the police or another government agency.
In other words, cameras are not allowed in bathrooms in order to grant people privacy.
For what reason, then, would these bastards be able to get away with this?
What if it was some pedophile just trying to look at kids who happen to use their computer in their bare essentials or less?
Who's to say that they did not see a naked 15 year old girl?
The line stops when the student leaves school property- whether the laptop is school property or not, it has no place being used for this.As for the people who did this- they deserve excessive jail-time.
I'd love to say the death penalty, because their arrogance offends me so greatly, however some might view this as severe.
Either way, everyone involved deserves to be turned down from every job they ever apply to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188442</id>
	<title>Bigbrother tag</title>
	<author>dvoecks</author>
	<datestamp>1266523680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally a 1984 reference that I can get behind.  People toss out "Big Brother" any time surveillance comes up, but it never quite fits.  There was so much more to that novel than the pervasive surveillance. I always feel like referencing it in a discussion about surveillance does the book a disservice. However, I'm going to bless this one. Selectively watching students at home is about as close to the "telescreen" as you're going to get.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally a 1984 reference that I can get behind .
People toss out " Big Brother " any time surveillance comes up , but it never quite fits .
There was so much more to that novel than the pervasive surveillance .
I always feel like referencing it in a discussion about surveillance does the book a disservice .
However , I 'm going to bless this one .
Selectively watching students at home is about as close to the " telescreen " as you 're going to get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally a 1984 reference that I can get behind.
People toss out "Big Brother" any time surveillance comes up, but it never quite fits.
There was so much more to that novel than the pervasive surveillance.
I always feel like referencing it in a discussion about surveillance does the book a disservice.
However, I'm going to bless this one.
Selectively watching students at home is about as close to the "telescreen" as you're going to get.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189766</id>
	<title>Let's see now</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1266484260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An underage student taking naked pictures of themself and sending them to another underage student violates the child pornography statues, but a school administrator taking possibly naked pictures of an underage student unbeknownst to the student is perfectly legal?!? There is something seriously messed up about our legal system if the person that did this doesn't get jail time. What makes the school staff think they are above the law?</htmltext>
<tokenext>An underage student taking naked pictures of themself and sending them to another underage student violates the child pornography statues , but a school administrator taking possibly naked pictures of an underage student unbeknownst to the student is perfectly legal ? ! ?
There is something seriously messed up about our legal system if the person that did this does n't get jail time .
What makes the school staff think they are above the law ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An underage student taking naked pictures of themself and sending them to another underage student violates the child pornography statues, but a school administrator taking possibly naked pictures of an underage student unbeknownst to the student is perfectly legal?!?
There is something seriously messed up about our legal system if the person that did this doesn't get jail time.
What makes the school staff think they are above the law?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188682</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics?</title>
	<author>LoverOfJoy</author>
	<datestamp>1266524400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My guess is that they decided to set up this option in cases of theft or otherwise missing laptops. A while back slashdot had an article about a macbook that was found because the thief didn't realize in time that the camera was enabled by the owner.
<br> <br>
I doubt they intended to watch kids regularly...even "problem" kids. But perhaps if the kid was playing hooky then they might have thought it'd be okay to turn it on, find where they are and inform the parents. Still incredibly stupid and wrong but more understandable how people could justify it in their minds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is that they decided to set up this option in cases of theft or otherwise missing laptops .
A while back slashdot had an article about a macbook that was found because the thief did n't realize in time that the camera was enabled by the owner .
I doubt they intended to watch kids regularly...even " problem " kids .
But perhaps if the kid was playing hooky then they might have thought it 'd be okay to turn it on , find where they are and inform the parents .
Still incredibly stupid and wrong but more understandable how people could justify it in their minds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is that they decided to set up this option in cases of theft or otherwise missing laptops.
A while back slashdot had an article about a macbook that was found because the thief didn't realize in time that the camera was enabled by the owner.
I doubt they intended to watch kids regularly...even "problem" kids.
But perhaps if the kid was playing hooky then they might have thought it'd be okay to turn it on, find where they are and inform the parents.
Still incredibly stupid and wrong but more understandable how people could justify it in their minds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195604</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266513480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.</p><p>Probably had his pecker out!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.Probably had his pecker out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.Probably had his pecker out!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189164</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1266525780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the same reason they think what parents' teach their children about anything (culture, religion, science grammar, etc) is their business just because they are a public school.</p><p>The really bad part?  Parents' don't care until something like this happens.  When this blows over, it will be back to normal: public school raises your children and gives them what conceptions, perceptions, and ideas it wants.  At the moment, ideas from the 60s seem to rule, for the most part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the same reason they think what parents ' teach their children about anything ( culture , religion , science grammar , etc ) is their business just because they are a public school.The really bad part ?
Parents ' do n't care until something like this happens .
When this blows over , it will be back to normal : public school raises your children and gives them what conceptions , perceptions , and ideas it wants .
At the moment , ideas from the 60s seem to rule , for the most part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the same reason they think what parents' teach their children about anything (culture, religion, science grammar, etc) is their business just because they are a public school.The really bad part?
Parents' don't care until something like this happens.
When this blows over, it will be back to normal: public school raises your children and gives them what conceptions, perceptions, and ideas it wants.
At the moment, ideas from the 60s seem to rule, for the most part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190196</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>haydon4</author>
	<datestamp>1266485400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much you want to bet there was a fine print clause buried in the Equipment Issuance paperwork that allows the school to monitor their student issued equipment in any way they deem fit?<br>That any information that is stored on that computer is school property?<br>That the school reserves the right to monitor, intercept, or act on any information gathered by said computer?</p><p>I bring this up because it is standard for any government owned computer, and I bet the issuance form was read by and signed by both the parent and the student.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much you want to bet there was a fine print clause buried in the Equipment Issuance paperwork that allows the school to monitor their student issued equipment in any way they deem fit ? That any information that is stored on that computer is school property ? That the school reserves the right to monitor , intercept , or act on any information gathered by said computer ? I bring this up because it is standard for any government owned computer , and I bet the issuance form was read by and signed by both the parent and the student .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much you want to bet there was a fine print clause buried in the Equipment Issuance paperwork that allows the school to monitor their student issued equipment in any way they deem fit?That any information that is stored on that computer is school property?That the school reserves the right to monitor, intercept, or act on any information gathered by said computer?I bring this up because it is standard for any government owned computer, and I bet the issuance form was read by and signed by both the parent and the student.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188308</id>
	<title>Kiddie porn</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1266523320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I were one of those students and under-aged (18), I'd claim that they were guilty of producing child pornography because I had been naked in front of my laptop.</p><p>Hell, I'd go as far as to tell them that I have masturbated in front of it.</p><p>Fuck them and whomever came up with that idea, that includes IT personnel, school administrators, PTA and whoever else have have even a superficial finger in this and haven't said 'no'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I were one of those students and under-aged ( 18 ) , I 'd claim that they were guilty of producing child pornography because I had been naked in front of my laptop.Hell , I 'd go as far as to tell them that I have masturbated in front of it.Fuck them and whomever came up with that idea , that includes IT personnel , school administrators , PTA and whoever else have have even a superficial finger in this and have n't said 'no' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I were one of those students and under-aged (18), I'd claim that they were guilty of producing child pornography because I had been naked in front of my laptop.Hell, I'd go as far as to tell them that I have masturbated in front of it.Fuck them and whomever came up with that idea, that includes IT personnel, school administrators, PTA and whoever else have have even a superficial finger in this and haven't said 'no'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188698</id>
	<title>Students!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Start masturbating.  Get the entire school system in trouble for trafficking in child pr0n.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Start masturbating .
Get the entire school system in trouble for trafficking in child pr0n .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Start masturbating.
Get the entire school system in trouble for trafficking in child pr0n.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192636</id>
	<title>Re:The ever growing list of reasons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266494580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep they're called "dittoheads" and "Fox News watchers".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep they 're called " dittoheads " and " Fox News watchers " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep they're called "dittoheads" and "Fox News watchers".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189344</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1266526260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</p></div></blockquote><p>No, the insurance company takes a hit and the school district will pay higher premiums.  The only people who are even remotely considered 'fucked' are the people who did it directly and the management that approved it as they are likely to be released from their contracts and the job probably isn't the best reference in the world.  They aren't even going to get it that bad, they'll just move far enough away that no one knows about it or wait until next month when its forgotten about, and get a job elsewhere.</p><p>The guy who gets fucked is the one who gets his computers seized because of this and it ends up he/she has got gigs of  kiddie or even legal teen porn.  That person will get raped, literally.  After being sent to jail the prisoners will go to work on them.  Even murdering thieving 'low life's' by most peoples definition have a problem with pedos and they don't tend to last real long in the general population of a prison.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedNo , the insurance company takes a hit and the school district will pay higher premiums .
The only people who are even remotely considered 'fucked ' are the people who did it directly and the management that approved it as they are likely to be released from their contracts and the job probably is n't the best reference in the world .
They are n't even going to get it that bad , they 'll just move far enough away that no one knows about it or wait until next month when its forgotten about , and get a job elsewhere.The guy who gets fucked is the one who gets his computers seized because of this and it ends up he/she has got gigs of kiddie or even legal teen porn .
That person will get raped , literally .
After being sent to jail the prisoners will go to work on them .
Even murdering thieving 'low life 's ' by most peoples definition have a problem with pedos and they do n't tend to last real long in the general population of a prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedNo, the insurance company takes a hit and the school district will pay higher premiums.
The only people who are even remotely considered 'fucked' are the people who did it directly and the management that approved it as they are likely to be released from their contracts and the job probably isn't the best reference in the world.
They aren't even going to get it that bad, they'll just move far enough away that no one knows about it or wait until next month when its forgotten about, and get a job elsewhere.The guy who gets fucked is the one who gets his computers seized because of this and it ends up he/she has got gigs of  kiddie or even legal teen porn.
That person will get raped, literally.
After being sent to jail the prisoners will go to work on them.
Even murdering thieving 'low life's' by most peoples definition have a problem with pedos and they don't tend to last real long in the general population of a prison.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191454</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>GvG</author>
	<datestamp>1266489180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for the link. I was wondering how the school officials got access to the webcam. From the video it appears they don't interact with the webcam directly but use an app that allows them to seen the screen. If the student happens to run an app that displays the webcam view on their screen then the school official would be able to see it too. That also explains why the students didn't notice the "webcam is on" light that most webcams have, they expected it to be on because they switched it on themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the link .
I was wondering how the school officials got access to the webcam .
From the video it appears they do n't interact with the webcam directly but use an app that allows them to seen the screen .
If the student happens to run an app that displays the webcam view on their screen then the school official would be able to see it too .
That also explains why the students did n't notice the " webcam is on " light that most webcams have , they expected it to be on because they switched it on themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the link.
I was wondering how the school officials got access to the webcam.
From the video it appears they don't interact with the webcam directly but use an app that allows them to seen the screen.
If the student happens to run an app that displays the webcam view on their screen then the school official would be able to see it too.
That also explains why the students didn't notice the "webcam is on" light that most webcams have, they expected it to be on because they switched it on themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196604</id>
	<title>Slopes and whatnot</title>
	<author>Therilith</author>
	<datestamp>1266570720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As much as I hate these jerkwads for this and understand the "get them with whatever law could even remotely apply" mentality, is <i>child porn</i> of all things really a good idea?<br>

Do we have any evidence that they were actually trying to created "child porn"? For all we know it's just the usual big brother BS.<br>

We have enough people being locked up for "accidental child porn" as it is, even without making it the go-to crime whenever we feel that someone should be punished more than is possible under the current laws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I hate these jerkwads for this and understand the " get them with whatever law could even remotely apply " mentality , is child porn of all things really a good idea ?
Do we have any evidence that they were actually trying to created " child porn " ?
For all we know it 's just the usual big brother BS .
We have enough people being locked up for " accidental child porn " as it is , even without making it the go-to crime whenever we feel that someone should be punished more than is possible under the current laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I hate these jerkwads for this and understand the "get them with whatever law could even remotely apply" mentality, is child porn of all things really a good idea?
Do we have any evidence that they were actually trying to created "child porn"?
For all we know it's just the usual big brother BS.
We have enough people being locked up for "accidental child porn" as it is, even without making it the go-to crime whenever we feel that someone should be punished more than is possible under the current laws.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189974</id>
	<title>Room 101</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266484800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Winston...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Winston.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Winston...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188168</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>LogarithmicSpiral</author>
	<datestamp>1266522960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone see some child porn charges coming here?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone see some child porn charges coming here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone see some child porn charges coming here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193552</id>
	<title>Obligatory xkcd</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1266499200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"I know you're listening"
<a href="http://xkcd.com/525/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/525/</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I know you 're listening " http : //xkcd.com/525/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I know you're listening"
http://xkcd.com/525/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188268</id>
	<title>Stupidity</title>
	<author>NiceGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1266523200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF is "improper behavior in the home", and why does the school seem to think that it's their business?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF is " improper behavior in the home " , and why does the school seem to think that it 's their business ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF is "improper behavior in the home", and why does the school seem to think that it's their business?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190146</id>
	<title>Re:If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1266485220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, what could have made the school district think that this was, in any way, a good idea?</p></div><p>Nothing. They are complete dumb asses. All of these years of "get tough on crime" and sex offender moral panics are now coming home to roost. Maybe if enough of the "wrong" people are punished in witch hunts, the legislatures will be forced to reconsider making CP the root password to their state constitutions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what could have made the school district think that this was , in any way , a good idea ? Nothing .
They are complete dumb asses .
All of these years of " get tough on crime " and sex offender moral panics are now coming home to roost .
Maybe if enough of the " wrong " people are punished in witch hunts , the legislatures will be forced to reconsider making CP the root password to their state constitutions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what could have made the school district think that this was, in any way, a good idea?Nothing.
They are complete dumb asses.
All of these years of "get tough on crime" and sex offender moral panics are now coming home to roost.
Maybe if enough of the "wrong" people are punished in witch hunts, the legislatures will be forced to reconsider making CP the root password to their state constitutions.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191710</id>
	<title>Re:The ever growing list of reasons</title>
	<author>theskipper</author>
	<datestamp>1266490260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given the types of people I interact with everyday, I'd strongly disagree.  A lot of parents are truly clueless and would only serve as indoctrinators, not educators.</p><p>As a general solution, private schools, sure.  Home schooling, no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the types of people I interact with everyday , I 'd strongly disagree .
A lot of parents are truly clueless and would only serve as indoctrinators , not educators.As a general solution , private schools , sure .
Home schooling , no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the types of people I interact with everyday, I'd strongly disagree.
A lot of parents are truly clueless and would only serve as indoctrinators, not educators.As a general solution, private schools, sure.
Home schooling, no.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188862</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Tony Stark</author>
	<datestamp>1266524940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good idea.  Because then, no one would have recourse against what this school does because it wouldn't be against the law, because there would be no law.  To really believe in anarchy you really must have a lot of faith in human nature.  I can't even trust my neighbors not to break into my car when I'm asleep with laws against it.  How the hell am I going to trust them not to murder me without laws.
Let me explain what would happen in the event you got what you want.  You'd go live in your squat with your crust punk friends and frolic in urban gardens and dumpster dive your dinner all happy-like while everyone else is dealing with the chaos and crime-sprees and whatnot.  Stronger groups of people will battle each other to take control of certain areas, someone will win and calm the chaos, they will keep control by force if they have to.  Oh wait, isn't that where we're at right now?  Let's just take a shortcut and stay where we're at.  Anarchy is not democracy.  Anarchy is the path to government.  Hierarchy is not necessarily a bad thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good idea .
Because then , no one would have recourse against what this school does because it would n't be against the law , because there would be no law .
To really believe in anarchy you really must have a lot of faith in human nature .
I ca n't even trust my neighbors not to break into my car when I 'm asleep with laws against it .
How the hell am I going to trust them not to murder me without laws .
Let me explain what would happen in the event you got what you want .
You 'd go live in your squat with your crust punk friends and frolic in urban gardens and dumpster dive your dinner all happy-like while everyone else is dealing with the chaos and crime-sprees and whatnot .
Stronger groups of people will battle each other to take control of certain areas , someone will win and calm the chaos , they will keep control by force if they have to .
Oh wait , is n't that where we 're at right now ?
Let 's just take a shortcut and stay where we 're at .
Anarchy is not democracy .
Anarchy is the path to government .
Hierarchy is not necessarily a bad thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good idea.
Because then, no one would have recourse against what this school does because it wouldn't be against the law, because there would be no law.
To really believe in anarchy you really must have a lot of faith in human nature.
I can't even trust my neighbors not to break into my car when I'm asleep with laws against it.
How the hell am I going to trust them not to murder me without laws.
Let me explain what would happen in the event you got what you want.
You'd go live in your squat with your crust punk friends and frolic in urban gardens and dumpster dive your dinner all happy-like while everyone else is dealing with the chaos and crime-sprees and whatnot.
Stronger groups of people will battle each other to take control of certain areas, someone will win and calm the chaos, they will keep control by force if they have to.
Oh wait, isn't that where we're at right now?
Let's just take a shortcut and stay where we're at.
Anarchy is not democracy.
Anarchy is the path to government.
Hierarchy is not necessarily a bad thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188228</id>
	<title>This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188616</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to agree.  My daughter's elementary wants to press criminal charges against us for taking her on a 4-day trip to see Grandma on Thanksgiving.  We notified the teacher and the school beforehand, got her classwork and homework, and had her turn it in the day she got back.  As it turns out, 3 days would have been ok.  Because it was 1 day more, I'm harboring a future-gang member and deserve to go to jail!  The school officials here are completely insane.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree .
My daughter 's elementary wants to press criminal charges against us for taking her on a 4-day trip to see Grandma on Thanksgiving .
We notified the teacher and the school beforehand , got her classwork and homework , and had her turn it in the day she got back .
As it turns out , 3 days would have been ok. Because it was 1 day more , I 'm harboring a future-gang member and deserve to go to jail !
The school officials here are completely insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree.
My daughter's elementary wants to press criminal charges against us for taking her on a 4-day trip to see Grandma on Thanksgiving.
We notified the teacher and the school beforehand, got her classwork and homework, and had her turn it in the day she got back.
As it turns out, 3 days would have been ok.  Because it was 1 day more, I'm harboring a future-gang member and deserve to go to jail!
The school officials here are completely insane.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191092</id>
	<title>Re:If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>Dorkmaster Flek</author>
	<datestamp>1266487920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This undoubtedly will be really, really interesting.  I'll be watching this one, that's for sure.  Ye gods, if this was my kid, I'd be demanding the school board's head on a silver platter.  The people responsible should be publicly crucified as far as I'm concerned.  This is seriously one of the most disturbing things I've ever read.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This undoubtedly will be really , really interesting .
I 'll be watching this one , that 's for sure .
Ye gods , if this was my kid , I 'd be demanding the school board 's head on a silver platter .
The people responsible should be publicly crucified as far as I 'm concerned .
This is seriously one of the most disturbing things I 've ever read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This undoubtedly will be really, really interesting.
I'll be watching this one, that's for sure.
Ye gods, if this was my kid, I'd be demanding the school board's head on a silver platter.
The people responsible should be publicly crucified as far as I'm concerned.
This is seriously one of the most disturbing things I've ever read.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189226</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1266525960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking the same thing.</p><p>I mean giving administrators the right to remotely control students computers does not strike me as crazy, but I expect any administrator found to have abused this to be barred from any such position on suspicions of being a pedo and all around despicable person; then take on top of that whatever they are accused of from spying on the kids' parents.</p><p>Any school admin should know the consequences; To have several administrators think his behavior was so bad as to risk their careers and reputations over this photo, he must have done something more than toke up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking the same thing.I mean giving administrators the right to remotely control students computers does not strike me as crazy , but I expect any administrator found to have abused this to be barred from any such position on suspicions of being a pedo and all around despicable person ; then take on top of that whatever they are accused of from spying on the kids ' parents.Any school admin should know the consequences ; To have several administrators think his behavior was so bad as to risk their careers and reputations over this photo , he must have done something more than toke up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking the same thing.I mean giving administrators the right to remotely control students computers does not strike me as crazy, but I expect any administrator found to have abused this to be barred from any such position on suspicions of being a pedo and all around despicable person; then take on top of that whatever they are accused of from spying on the kids' parents.Any school admin should know the consequences; To have several administrators think his behavior was so bad as to risk their careers and reputations over this photo, he must have done something more than toke up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189612</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1266483720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience</p></div></blockquote><p>Agreed, however it kind of a requirement of the job.  They deal with a bunch of students, most of which have parents with the skills of salamon who let their kids run the house.  Most of the time the only way the school admins get any sort of control over the school is by being more of a parent than the actual parents.</p><p>Its not right, but having been one of the 'bad kids' in school and spending a lot of time in the office, I can understand why they act like they do at times.  I don't think there is anything you can change about the school system, in this respect that will make things better.  Parents have to put more effort into being a parent for schools to change the way the operate, otherwise they have to continue to play the roll of parent/daycare provider.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experienceAgreed , however it kind of a requirement of the job .
They deal with a bunch of students , most of which have parents with the skills of salamon who let their kids run the house .
Most of the time the only way the school admins get any sort of control over the school is by being more of a parent than the actual parents.Its not right , but having been one of the 'bad kids ' in school and spending a lot of time in the office , I can understand why they act like they do at times .
I do n't think there is anything you can change about the school system , in this respect that will make things better .
Parents have to put more effort into being a parent for schools to change the way the operate , otherwise they have to continue to play the roll of parent/daycare provider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experienceAgreed, however it kind of a requirement of the job.
They deal with a bunch of students, most of which have parents with the skills of salamon who let their kids run the house.
Most of the time the only way the school admins get any sort of control over the school is by being more of a parent than the actual parents.Its not right, but having been one of the 'bad kids' in school and spending a lot of time in the office, I can understand why they act like they do at times.
I don't think there is anything you can change about the school system, in this respect that will make things better.
Parents have to put more effort into being a parent for schools to change the way the operate, otherwise they have to continue to play the roll of parent/daycare provider.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31198766</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266592680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is insane. When my son was in 4th grade I took him out of school for an entire month to visit family on the other side of the country. His teachers response, "Him traveling and visiting family, a new part of the country, will provide him with a much richer experience than we can give him sitting in a stale classroom." OK, I'm thankful I had the Canadian schools (and teachers) we ha.</p><p>BTW.. he turned out just fine 20 years later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is insane .
When my son was in 4th grade I took him out of school for an entire month to visit family on the other side of the country .
His teachers response , " Him traveling and visiting family , a new part of the country , will provide him with a much richer experience than we can give him sitting in a stale classroom .
" OK , I 'm thankful I had the Canadian schools ( and teachers ) we ha.BTW.. he turned out just fine 20 years later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is insane.
When my son was in 4th grade I took him out of school for an entire month to visit family on the other side of the country.
His teachers response, "Him traveling and visiting family, a new part of the country, will provide him with a much richer experience than we can give him sitting in a stale classroom.
" OK, I'm thankful I had the Canadian schools (and teachers) we ha.BTW.. he turned out just fine 20 years later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190062</id>
	<title>Re:If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1266485040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, what could make a parent or student think it was a good idea to undress in front of a school provided laptop with it open and a webcam?</p><p>What sort of compromising positions were the PARENTS in?  Missionary?  Doggie-Style?  Girl on Girl on Guy?  WHY IS THE LAPTOP SEEING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?</p><p>I'd guess they never really thought about it, the fact that the laptop and someone looking through it might see what they were doing.</p><p>Likewise, it probably wasn't the first thought that some school admin had when using the system.  If it WAS the first thought, then there is a serious issue at hand.  It of course is one of those things that should probably have been addressed at that point, someone might have thought it was a bad idea in general and stopped, but they didn't.  Shame on them.</p><p>But seriously, wtf are parents doing in front of their kids laptop that is so compromising or embarrassing?</p><p>And no, 'freedom' or 'right to privacy' is no reason to start a class action lawsuit that will result in no real punishment to those who committed the offense, yet will result in lawyers making a fuckton of money.  The parents will get some money, but then pay most of it back in taxes to cover the insurance premium increase.  The rest will get paid back by other residents in the school district who were in no way involved in the crime or the legal battle that resulted in a bunch of ignorant greedy fucking parents being so stupid that they essentially give the lawyers a bunch of money with a net loss to everyone else involved in the process.</p><p>It was a horrible idea.  But everyone involved except the lawyers seems to be completely fucking retarded anyway, so let them have their fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what could make a parent or student think it was a good idea to undress in front of a school provided laptop with it open and a webcam ? What sort of compromising positions were the PARENTS in ?
Missionary ? Doggie-Style ?
Girl on Girl on Guy ?
WHY IS THE LAPTOP SEEING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE ? I 'd guess they never really thought about it , the fact that the laptop and someone looking through it might see what they were doing.Likewise , it probably was n't the first thought that some school admin had when using the system .
If it WAS the first thought , then there is a serious issue at hand .
It of course is one of those things that should probably have been addressed at that point , someone might have thought it was a bad idea in general and stopped , but they did n't .
Shame on them.But seriously , wtf are parents doing in front of their kids laptop that is so compromising or embarrassing ? And no , 'freedom ' or 'right to privacy ' is no reason to start a class action lawsuit that will result in no real punishment to those who committed the offense , yet will result in lawyers making a fuckton of money .
The parents will get some money , but then pay most of it back in taxes to cover the insurance premium increase .
The rest will get paid back by other residents in the school district who were in no way involved in the crime or the legal battle that resulted in a bunch of ignorant greedy fucking parents being so stupid that they essentially give the lawyers a bunch of money with a net loss to everyone else involved in the process.It was a horrible idea .
But everyone involved except the lawyers seems to be completely fucking retarded anyway , so let them have their fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what could make a parent or student think it was a good idea to undress in front of a school provided laptop with it open and a webcam?What sort of compromising positions were the PARENTS in?
Missionary?  Doggie-Style?
Girl on Girl on Guy?
WHY IS THE LAPTOP SEEING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?I'd guess they never really thought about it, the fact that the laptop and someone looking through it might see what they were doing.Likewise, it probably wasn't the first thought that some school admin had when using the system.
If it WAS the first thought, then there is a serious issue at hand.
It of course is one of those things that should probably have been addressed at that point, someone might have thought it was a bad idea in general and stopped, but they didn't.
Shame on them.But seriously, wtf are parents doing in front of their kids laptop that is so compromising or embarrassing?And no, 'freedom' or 'right to privacy' is no reason to start a class action lawsuit that will result in no real punishment to those who committed the offense, yet will result in lawyers making a fuckton of money.
The parents will get some money, but then pay most of it back in taxes to cover the insurance premium increase.
The rest will get paid back by other residents in the school district who were in no way involved in the crime or the legal battle that resulted in a bunch of ignorant greedy fucking parents being so stupid that they essentially give the lawyers a bunch of money with a net loss to everyone else involved in the process.It was a horrible idea.
But everyone involved except the lawyers seems to be completely fucking retarded anyway, so let them have their fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188674</id>
	<title>Re:convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>hamburgler007</author>
	<datestamp>1266524340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd rather see them rot in a jail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather see them rot in a jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather see them rot in a jail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189210</id>
	<title>Agreed</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1266525900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am usually pretty relaxed on all the YRO stuff like camera's on the street but this one REALLY deserves a "1984 is NOT a HOWTO".
</p><p>Mind you, I am curious to see what has lead up to all this.
</p><p>I am reminded of a level rail crossing. In the olden days it had just red lights, it was enough. Now it has full bars with folding down barriers across the entire road so absolutely nothing can pass, not even an emergency vehicle. Why? Because year after year people kept crossing and getting killed and so more and more protection was demanded when a red light should be all the warning you need (oh okay, it had a bell for the blind).
</p><p>What in this school district prompted this action? Is it someone who lost it or what? Is this school district so out of control that this was the only way they could think of to keep things in check? Did an extremist gain total control over the system? What happened? I would be very intrested to hear what lead to all this. Is the district a particularry bad one, or a prudish one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am usually pretty relaxed on all the YRO stuff like camera 's on the street but this one REALLY deserves a " 1984 is NOT a HOWTO " .
Mind you , I am curious to see what has lead up to all this .
I am reminded of a level rail crossing .
In the olden days it had just red lights , it was enough .
Now it has full bars with folding down barriers across the entire road so absolutely nothing can pass , not even an emergency vehicle .
Why ? Because year after year people kept crossing and getting killed and so more and more protection was demanded when a red light should be all the warning you need ( oh okay , it had a bell for the blind ) .
What in this school district prompted this action ?
Is it someone who lost it or what ?
Is this school district so out of control that this was the only way they could think of to keep things in check ?
Did an extremist gain total control over the system ?
What happened ?
I would be very intrested to hear what lead to all this .
Is the district a particularry bad one , or a prudish one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am usually pretty relaxed on all the YRO stuff like camera's on the street but this one REALLY deserves a "1984 is NOT a HOWTO".
Mind you, I am curious to see what has lead up to all this.
I am reminded of a level rail crossing.
In the olden days it had just red lights, it was enough.
Now it has full bars with folding down barriers across the entire road so absolutely nothing can pass, not even an emergency vehicle.
Why? Because year after year people kept crossing and getting killed and so more and more protection was demanded when a red light should be all the warning you need (oh okay, it had a bell for the blind).
What in this school district prompted this action?
Is it someone who lost it or what?
Is this school district so out of control that this was the only way they could think of to keep things in check?
Did an extremist gain total control over the system?
What happened?
I would be very intrested to hear what lead to all this.
Is the district a particularry bad one, or a prudish one?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188968</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps it's because boingboing linked directly to the PDF of the law suit, whereas your link on Yahoo does not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps it 's because boingboing linked directly to the PDF of the law suit , whereas your link on Yahoo does not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps it's because boingboing linked directly to the PDF of the law suit, whereas your link on Yahoo does not?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190832</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266487020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty sure they didn't have laptops in the 19th century.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty sure they did n't have laptops in the 19th century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty sure they didn't have laptops in the 19th century.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190162</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>SandwhichMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1266485280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Schools are out of control. Between this and "Zero Tolerance" policies, I'm scared for kids. Kids as young as 12 are getting fined for things as stupid as being tardy, and ARRESTED for doodling on desks. What posses someone to think its a good idea spy on children, or to arrest a 12 year old girl? Schools need to mind their own business, and realize that kids get into trouble. Mischief and stupid mistakes are part of growing up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Schools are out of control .
Between this and " Zero Tolerance " policies , I 'm scared for kids .
Kids as young as 12 are getting fined for things as stupid as being tardy , and ARRESTED for doodling on desks .
What posses someone to think its a good idea spy on children , or to arrest a 12 year old girl ?
Schools need to mind their own business , and realize that kids get into trouble .
Mischief and stupid mistakes are part of growing up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Schools are out of control.
Between this and "Zero Tolerance" policies, I'm scared for kids.
Kids as young as 12 are getting fined for things as stupid as being tardy, and ARRESTED for doodling on desks.
What posses someone to think its a good idea spy on children, or to arrest a 12 year old girl?
Schools need to mind their own business, and realize that kids get into trouble.
Mischief and stupid mistakes are part of growing up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191188</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>Entropius</author>
	<datestamp>1266488220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take everyone who knew about this, liquidate their kidneys on the black market, and use that to pay for damages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take everyone who knew about this , liquidate their kidneys on the black market , and use that to pay for damages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take everyone who knew about this, liquidate their kidneys on the black market, and use that to pay for damages.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188762</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are sadly dissillusioned (or just young and ignorant, or incredibly stupid). Anarchy always leads to monarchy; with anarchy, the strong (meaning rich and powerful) can do anything they want to the weak. Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal. I can get an armed mob and enslave you. I can rape your mother, sister, girlfriend, and two year old daughter before torturing them to death. No law.</p><p>"Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom" is the dumbest statement I've heard all week. What grade are you in, kid?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are sadly dissillusioned ( or just young and ignorant , or incredibly stupid ) .
Anarchy always leads to monarchy ; with anarchy , the strong ( meaning rich and powerful ) can do anything they want to the weak .
Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal .
I can get an armed mob and enslave you .
I can rape your mother , sister , girlfriend , and two year old daughter before torturing them to death .
No law .
" Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom " is the dumbest statement I 've heard all week .
What grade are you in , kid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are sadly dissillusioned (or just young and ignorant, or incredibly stupid).
Anarchy always leads to monarchy; with anarchy, the strong (meaning rich and powerful) can do anything they want to the weak.
Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal.
I can get an armed mob and enslave you.
I can rape your mother, sister, girlfriend, and two year old daughter before torturing them to death.
No law.
"Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom" is the dumbest statement I've heard all week.
What grade are you in, kid?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193924</id>
	<title>It's a LAWSUIT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266501540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The lawsuit has been filed.  The allegations have been made.  Evidence will be presented (if it ever goes to trial).  Remember that as of now this is a CIVIL case so it can be settled.  Thus far there are no CRIMINAL charges.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The lawsuit has been filed .
The allegations have been made .
Evidence will be presented ( if it ever goes to trial ) .
Remember that as of now this is a CIVIL case so it can be settled .
Thus far there are no CRIMINAL charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lawsuit has been filed.
The allegations have been made.
Evidence will be presented (if it ever goes to trial).
Remember that as of now this is a CIVIL case so it can be settled.
Thus far there are no CRIMINAL charges.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192136</id>
	<title>there is a way to bypass the schools abilities</title>
	<author>n0tquitesane</author>
	<datestamp>1266492000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The solution to this is pretty apparent.  Use Knoppix or another LiveCD linux of your choice.

The school can't connect if the software needed isn't running, and if you don't modify the installed software, they cannot punish you for "destruction of school property" or similar charge</htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution to this is pretty apparent .
Use Knoppix or another LiveCD linux of your choice .
The school ca n't connect if the software needed is n't running , and if you do n't modify the installed software , they can not punish you for " destruction of school property " or similar charge</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution to this is pretty apparent.
Use Knoppix or another LiveCD linux of your choice.
The school can't connect if the software needed isn't running, and if you don't modify the installed software, they cannot punish you for "destruction of school property" or similar charge</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188926</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266525120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Peeping Toms go to prison. People who peep in on kids get "special" treatment in prison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Peeping Toms go to prison .
People who peep in on kids get " special " treatment in prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Peeping Toms go to prison.
People who peep in on kids get "special" treatment in prison.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190054</id>
	<title>Re:The ever growing list of reasons</title>
	<author>Belial6</author>
	<datestamp>1266485040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whether, they want to believe it or not, this is the kind of 'Socialization' that kids are getting in public schools.  This may be a slightly more extreme example, but part of the 'Socialization' program that schools run is to train students to believe that they have no rights at all.  I can remember in school, both students and faculty trying to claim that school rules WERE laws.  I have heard that same thing parroted many times since I have been out of school.  Many times right here on slashdot.<br> <br>

The first time I heard a home school advocate talk about how public school was never intended for education, but was in fact a socialization program, I thought she was a loon.  Since then, the pro public school advocates (many here on slashdot) have convinced me that she wasn't as crazy as I thought.  The constant insisting by public school advocates that the education may be lacking, but the public school is for socialization pretty well spells it out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether , they want to believe it or not , this is the kind of 'Socialization ' that kids are getting in public schools .
This may be a slightly more extreme example , but part of the 'Socialization ' program that schools run is to train students to believe that they have no rights at all .
I can remember in school , both students and faculty trying to claim that school rules WERE laws .
I have heard that same thing parroted many times since I have been out of school .
Many times right here on slashdot .
The first time I heard a home school advocate talk about how public school was never intended for education , but was in fact a socialization program , I thought she was a loon .
Since then , the pro public school advocates ( many here on slashdot ) have convinced me that she was n't as crazy as I thought .
The constant insisting by public school advocates that the education may be lacking , but the public school is for socialization pretty well spells it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether, they want to believe it or not, this is the kind of 'Socialization' that kids are getting in public schools.
This may be a slightly more extreme example, but part of the 'Socialization' program that schools run is to train students to believe that they have no rights at all.
I can remember in school, both students and faculty trying to claim that school rules WERE laws.
I have heard that same thing parroted many times since I have been out of school.
Many times right here on slashdot.
The first time I heard a home school advocate talk about how public school was never intended for education, but was in fact a socialization program, I thought she was a loon.
Since then, the pro public school advocates (many here on slashdot) have convinced me that she wasn't as crazy as I thought.
The constant insisting by public school advocates that the education may be lacking, but the public school is for socialization pretty well spells it out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191250</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>The Angry Mick</author>
	<datestamp>1266488400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>wouldn't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography?</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>If nudity was involved, this goes beyond mere possession of child porn - this is <b>production</b> and <b>distribution</b> of child porn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>would n't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography ?
If nudity was involved , this goes beyond mere possession of child porn - this is production and distribution of child porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> wouldn't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography?
If nudity was involved, this goes beyond mere possession of child porn - this is production and distribution of child porn.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189288</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266526140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment.</p></div><p>This case clearly shows that running untrusted software such as software you haven't compiled yourself is inaproppriate use of school equipment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment.This case clearly shows that running untrusted software such as software you have n't compiled yourself is inaproppriate use of school equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment.This case clearly shows that running untrusted software such as software you haven't compiled yourself is inaproppriate use of school equipment.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189432</id>
	<title>Number 2 may be wrong</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1266526500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the school district owns the computer the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act may not apply.</p><p>Also what agreement was signed to get the laptop?  Could this all have been prevented if someone had read it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the school district owns the computer the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act may not apply.Also what agreement was signed to get the laptop ?
Could this all have been prevented if someone had read it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the school district owns the computer the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act may not apply.Also what agreement was signed to get the laptop?
Could this all have been prevented if someone had read it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193512</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1266499020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/18/Eyes.pdf" title="courthousenews.com">official legal document</a> [courthousenews.com] describes that the users of the system (the administrators of the school) acquired pictures of the students in various states of undress, and that the whole system was exposed when the administrator reprimanded one of the students for "inappropriate behavior" in his own home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The official legal document [ courthousenews.com ] describes that the users of the system ( the administrators of the school ) acquired pictures of the students in various states of undress , and that the whole system was exposed when the administrator reprimanded one of the students for " inappropriate behavior " in his own home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The official legal document [courthousenews.com] describes that the users of the system (the administrators of the school) acquired pictures of the students in various states of undress, and that the whole system was exposed when the administrator reprimanded one of the students for "inappropriate behavior" in his own home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190974</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Frank T. Lofaro Jr.</author>
	<datestamp>1266487440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Luckily a school can't press criminal charges, only law enforcement can, and unless they are REALLY stupid, they won't. (and will probably laugh at the school)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Luckily a school ca n't press criminal charges , only law enforcement can , and unless they are REALLY stupid , they wo n't .
( and will probably laugh at the school )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Luckily a school can't press criminal charges, only law enforcement can, and unless they are REALLY stupid, they won't.
(and will probably laugh at the school)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194688</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1266506340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can easily imagine what I'd do if I found out my kid's school issued laptop were doing that.  I might be careful enough to avoid prison, but I might be mad enough to forgo planning and precautions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can easily imagine what I 'd do if I found out my kid 's school issued laptop were doing that .
I might be careful enough to avoid prison , but I might be mad enough to forgo planning and precautions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can easily imagine what I'd do if I found out my kid's school issued laptop were doing that.
I might be careful enough to avoid prison, but I might be mad enough to forgo planning and precautions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192184</id>
	<title>They want to see shit...they'll see shit</title>
	<author>binford2k</author>
	<datestamp>1266492300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd take a photo of my asshole and mount it in front of the camera.  And I'm sure I could figure out how to redirect an 80's porn groove into the mic input.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd take a photo of my asshole and mount it in front of the camera .
And I 'm sure I could figure out how to redirect an 80 's porn groove into the mic input .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd take a photo of my asshole and mount it in front of the camera.
And I'm sure I could figure out how to redirect an 80's porn groove into the mic input.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193184</id>
	<title>Picture of the Day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266497160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd think that school district would get a clue.</p><p>http://dualisanoob.com/images/lmsdwtf.png</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd think that school district would get a clue.http : //dualisanoob.com/images/lmsdwtf.png</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd think that school district would get a clue.http://dualisanoob.com/images/lmsdwtf.png</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194558</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1266505560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"My daughter's elementary wants to press criminal charges against us for taking her on a 4-day trip to see Grandma on Thanksgiving. We notified the teacher and the school beforehand, got her classwork and homework, and had her turn it in the day she got back. As it turns out, 3 days would have been ok. Because it was 1 day more, I'm harboring a future-gang member and deserve to go to jail!"</p><p>Turn that right around and file suit for defamation of your character and your daughter's character, and the character of your family.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" My daughter 's elementary wants to press criminal charges against us for taking her on a 4-day trip to see Grandma on Thanksgiving .
We notified the teacher and the school beforehand , got her classwork and homework , and had her turn it in the day she got back .
As it turns out , 3 days would have been ok. Because it was 1 day more , I 'm harboring a future-gang member and deserve to go to jail !
" Turn that right around and file suit for defamation of your character and your daughter 's character , and the character of your family .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"My daughter's elementary wants to press criminal charges against us for taking her on a 4-day trip to see Grandma on Thanksgiving.
We notified the teacher and the school beforehand, got her classwork and homework, and had her turn it in the day she got back.
As it turns out, 3 days would have been ok. Because it was 1 day more, I'm harboring a future-gang member and deserve to go to jail!
"Turn that right around and file suit for defamation of your character and your daughter's character, and the character of your family.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31201948</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266607380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The missing detail is whether or not the "inappropriate" behavior captured in the image is of a sexual nature.  If it is, I really can't see how the district can bring a defense into court, since they would actually have to be willing to enter child pornography into evidence and affirm that they created it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The missing detail is whether or not the " inappropriate " behavior captured in the image is of a sexual nature .
If it is , I really ca n't see how the district can bring a defense into court , since they would actually have to be willing to enter child pornography into evidence and affirm that they created it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The missing detail is whether or not the "inappropriate" behavior captured in the image is of a sexual nature.
If it is, I really can't see how the district can bring a defense into court, since they would actually have to be willing to enter child pornography into evidence and affirm that they created it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191242</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>srpape</author>
	<datestamp>1266488340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reasons, high schools don't seem to think students are people with rights. I remember being told the 4th amendment didn't apply to me while I was at school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reasons , high schools do n't seem to think students are people with rights .
I remember being told the 4th amendment did n't apply to me while I was at school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reasons, high schools don't seem to think students are people with rights.
I remember being told the 4th amendment didn't apply to me while I was at school.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188588</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192076</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1266491700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal.</em> </p><p>No fear of reprisal? You're not worried about all of his friends and relatives who now want you dead? You seem to be implying that the reason people don't run around killing each other all the time is because there are laws against it. That's crazy. The laws allow us to punish the offenders in a well-defined way, they don't PREVENT crime. Criminals don't care about laws (obviously), and most non-criminals act nicely because they are nice people, not because they are afraid of the consequences if they don't.</p><p>Yes, you could shoot me in the back. Then my brother will come shoot your sister in the back. Then your mom will shoot my dog in the back. Etc. Most people don't need a government in order to understand how this is a bad thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal .
No fear of reprisal ?
You 're not worried about all of his friends and relatives who now want you dead ?
You seem to be implying that the reason people do n't run around killing each other all the time is because there are laws against it .
That 's crazy .
The laws allow us to punish the offenders in a well-defined way , they do n't PREVENT crime .
Criminals do n't care about laws ( obviously ) , and most non-criminals act nicely because they are nice people , not because they are afraid of the consequences if they do n't.Yes , you could shoot me in the back .
Then my brother will come shoot your sister in the back .
Then your mom will shoot my dog in the back .
Etc. Most people do n't need a government in order to understand how this is a bad thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal.
No fear of reprisal?
You're not worried about all of his friends and relatives who now want you dead?
You seem to be implying that the reason people don't run around killing each other all the time is because there are laws against it.
That's crazy.
The laws allow us to punish the offenders in a well-defined way, they don't PREVENT crime.
Criminals don't care about laws (obviously), and most non-criminals act nicely because they are nice people, not because they are afraid of the consequences if they don't.Yes, you could shoot me in the back.
Then my brother will come shoot your sister in the back.
Then your mom will shoot my dog in the back.
Etc. Most people don't need a government in order to understand how this is a bad thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191292</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>NetNed</author>
	<datestamp>1266488520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yea I watched that too. The whole time I was thinking "I guess actual interaction with the kids was overrated?"<br> <br>Nothing like using technology to make ones job performance even worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea I watched that too .
The whole time I was thinking " I guess actual interaction with the kids was overrated ?
" Nothing like using technology to make ones job performance even worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea I watched that too.
The whole time I was thinking "I guess actual interaction with the kids was overrated?
" Nothing like using technology to make ones job performance even worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188692</id>
	<title>I saw something like this on TV</title>
	<author>hodet</author>
	<datestamp>1266524400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it was the 5th estate (I think...but don't hold me to it) doing a feature on some school using laptops only and using all kinds of new techniques including social networking.  They were saying how modern they were and actually demonstrated the laptops and how they could activate the webcam and even demonstrated with a live image of some kid going about his school work.  Gave me the creeps and I was thinking this is technology usage gone amuck. I would never allow this on my kids laptop.  These school admins were proud of it.....ridiculous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it was the 5th estate ( I think...but do n't hold me to it ) doing a feature on some school using laptops only and using all kinds of new techniques including social networking .
They were saying how modern they were and actually demonstrated the laptops and how they could activate the webcam and even demonstrated with a live image of some kid going about his school work .
Gave me the creeps and I was thinking this is technology usage gone amuck .
I would never allow this on my kids laptop .
These school admins were proud of it.....ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it was the 5th estate (I think...but don't hold me to it) doing a feature on some school using laptops only and using all kinds of new techniques including social networking.
They were saying how modern they were and actually demonstrated the laptops and how they could activate the webcam and even demonstrated with a live image of some kid going about his school work.
Gave me the creeps and I was thinking this is technology usage gone amuck.
I would never allow this on my kids laptop.
These school admins were proud of it.....ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192240</id>
	<title>Sue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266492600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That right there is an invasion of privacy. Sue the pants off of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That right there is an invasion of privacy .
Sue the pants off of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That right there is an invasion of privacy.
Sue the pants off of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191162</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>SpaceCadets</author>
	<datestamp>1266488160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know how it works in America, but in Aussieland, you can't sign away your rights.  Even if they signed something that said (and who would have signed, parents or the kids?) "I waive my 4th Amendment rights", the contract is not valid, and the school is still in the crap.  I'm not a lawyer...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how it works in America , but in Aussieland , you ca n't sign away your rights .
Even if they signed something that said ( and who would have signed , parents or the kids ?
) " I waive my 4th Amendment rights " , the contract is not valid , and the school is still in the crap .
I 'm not a lawyer... ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how it works in America, but in Aussieland, you can't sign away your rights.
Even if they signed something that said (and who would have signed, parents or the kids?
) "I waive my 4th Amendment rights", the contract is not valid, and the school is still in the crap.
I'm not a lawyer... ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189174</id>
	<title>As a person who's admin'd a school laptop program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked as a tech for a similar laptop program. The students were all paranoid about us looking through their cameras all the time. They would tape them up and cover them. Of course, we had far better things to do than look through 6000 student's cameras, the little green light would come on if we did, and we couldn't even access their machines anyway when they were off our network. I don't work their anymore, but I can only assume this justifies all the student paranoia, and there will likely be some backlash from the student body in since they already believed we were looking through their cameras anyway.</p><p>Honestly, what I find most horrifying about this is someone had enough free time to actually individually look through all the laptops, pull live feeds, and spend enough time looking for illegal activity. They had to be intentionally looking for underage lewd activity, it's not just an accident. Again, there is no easy way to look through a few thousand camera feeds at once. Totally illegal, and I hope they all get sued for tons of money. (Caveat: we did have a bit of code where if a laptop was reported stolen, it would begin snapping pictures and uploading them online. We had to trigger this per MAC address. I suppose it could have been abused, but it's hardly an all seeing eye on the student body, and the student had to report it stolen themselves.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked as a tech for a similar laptop program .
The students were all paranoid about us looking through their cameras all the time .
They would tape them up and cover them .
Of course , we had far better things to do than look through 6000 student 's cameras , the little green light would come on if we did , and we could n't even access their machines anyway when they were off our network .
I do n't work their anymore , but I can only assume this justifies all the student paranoia , and there will likely be some backlash from the student body in since they already believed we were looking through their cameras anyway.Honestly , what I find most horrifying about this is someone had enough free time to actually individually look through all the laptops , pull live feeds , and spend enough time looking for illegal activity .
They had to be intentionally looking for underage lewd activity , it 's not just an accident .
Again , there is no easy way to look through a few thousand camera feeds at once .
Totally illegal , and I hope they all get sued for tons of money .
( Caveat : we did have a bit of code where if a laptop was reported stolen , it would begin snapping pictures and uploading them online .
We had to trigger this per MAC address .
I suppose it could have been abused , but it 's hardly an all seeing eye on the student body , and the student had to report it stolen themselves .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked as a tech for a similar laptop program.
The students were all paranoid about us looking through their cameras all the time.
They would tape them up and cover them.
Of course, we had far better things to do than look through 6000 student's cameras, the little green light would come on if we did, and we couldn't even access their machines anyway when they were off our network.
I don't work their anymore, but I can only assume this justifies all the student paranoia, and there will likely be some backlash from the student body in since they already believed we were looking through their cameras anyway.Honestly, what I find most horrifying about this is someone had enough free time to actually individually look through all the laptops, pull live feeds, and spend enough time looking for illegal activity.
They had to be intentionally looking for underage lewd activity, it's not just an accident.
Again, there is no easy way to look through a few thousand camera feeds at once.
Totally illegal, and I hope they all get sued for tons of money.
(Caveat: we did have a bit of code where if a laptop was reported stolen, it would begin snapping pictures and uploading them online.
We had to trigger this per MAC address.
I suppose it could have been abused, but it's hardly an all seeing eye on the student body, and the student had to report it stolen themselves.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188396</id>
	<title>No surprise here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a society where we are now so ready to trade privacy and other personal liberties for the (often empty) promise of security, it is no surprise at all that this or that government entity should feel no compunction at this gross affront to the privacy of their students and their families. And let's be clear, someone had to have had second thoughts about this, and <i>still</i> they went ahead with this staggeringly stupid plan.<br>
<br>I hope that not only do the tools responsible for this have their asses handed to them in civil court, I sincerely hope that those asses are then tossed into prison for what has to be a long list of criminal statutes that have been violated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a society where we are now so ready to trade privacy and other personal liberties for the ( often empty ) promise of security , it is no surprise at all that this or that government entity should feel no compunction at this gross affront to the privacy of their students and their families .
And let 's be clear , someone had to have had second thoughts about this , and still they went ahead with this staggeringly stupid plan .
I hope that not only do the tools responsible for this have their asses handed to them in civil court , I sincerely hope that those asses are then tossed into prison for what has to be a long list of criminal statutes that have been violated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a society where we are now so ready to trade privacy and other personal liberties for the (often empty) promise of security, it is no surprise at all that this or that government entity should feel no compunction at this gross affront to the privacy of their students and their families.
And let's be clear, someone had to have had second thoughts about this, and still they went ahead with this staggeringly stupid plan.
I hope that not only do the tools responsible for this have their asses handed to them in civil court, I sincerely hope that those asses are then tossed into prison for what has to be a long list of criminal statutes that have been violated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189126</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1266525660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can get an armed mob and enslave you. I can rape your mother, sister, girlfriend, and two year old daughter before torturing them to death. No law.</p></div><p>You can do all that now. You'll just be punished if caught.  Previous anarchic systems had ways of divying out punishment too.  Namely blood feuds and such.   You hurt my family, and I kill you.  Then your family might kill me - and then someone from my family kills them.  That prospect of a cycle of everyone killing each other generally kept people out of trouble.  There is NO system where your actions are completely free of consequences.</p><p>Not that I support complete anarchy, but really - the government should be in the business of national defense a small police force to enforce the most basic of laws against theft, rape, murder, and other such crimes.  I honestly think that if a concerted effort was made, a nation could function fine with a complete set of laws that fit on less than 50 pages that any citizen could read and clearly understand.  Instead you can find a bill the thickness of a book prescribing exactly how to lawfully import an apple from a certain country.  It's gotten insane.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can get an armed mob and enslave you .
I can rape your mother , sister , girlfriend , and two year old daughter before torturing them to death .
No law.You can do all that now .
You 'll just be punished if caught .
Previous anarchic systems had ways of divying out punishment too .
Namely blood feuds and such .
You hurt my family , and I kill you .
Then your family might kill me - and then someone from my family kills them .
That prospect of a cycle of everyone killing each other generally kept people out of trouble .
There is NO system where your actions are completely free of consequences.Not that I support complete anarchy , but really - the government should be in the business of national defense a small police force to enforce the most basic of laws against theft , rape , murder , and other such crimes .
I honestly think that if a concerted effort was made , a nation could function fine with a complete set of laws that fit on less than 50 pages that any citizen could read and clearly understand .
Instead you can find a bill the thickness of a book prescribing exactly how to lawfully import an apple from a certain country .
It 's gotten insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can get an armed mob and enslave you.
I can rape your mother, sister, girlfriend, and two year old daughter before torturing them to death.
No law.You can do all that now.
You'll just be punished if caught.
Previous anarchic systems had ways of divying out punishment too.
Namely blood feuds and such.
You hurt my family, and I kill you.
Then your family might kill me - and then someone from my family kills them.
That prospect of a cycle of everyone killing each other generally kept people out of trouble.
There is NO system where your actions are completely free of consequences.Not that I support complete anarchy, but really - the government should be in the business of national defense a small police force to enforce the most basic of laws against theft, rape, murder, and other such crimes.
I honestly think that if a concerted effort was made, a nation could function fine with a complete set of laws that fit on less than 50 pages that any citizen could read and clearly understand.
Instead you can find a bill the thickness of a book prescribing exactly how to lawfully import an apple from a certain country.
It's gotten insane.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190454</id>
	<title>Photoshop contest</title>
	<author>legio\_noctis</author>
	<datestamp>1266486000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm loving comment #115 on TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>This could lead to a fun photoshop content. I suck at it, but still:
<a href="http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad288/mickmellen/lmsd.jpg" title="photobucket.com" rel="nofollow">http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad288/mickmellen/lmsd.jpg</a> [photobucket.com]</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm loving comment # 115 on TFA : This could lead to a fun photoshop content .
I suck at it , but still : http : //i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad288/mickmellen/lmsd.jpg [ photobucket.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm loving comment #115 on TFA:This could lead to a fun photoshop content.
I suck at it, but still:
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad288/mickmellen/lmsd.jpg [photobucket.com] 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31197548</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266581520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They pick the good looking kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They pick the good looking kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They pick the good looking kids.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188294</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196344</id>
	<title>what about the parents?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266610140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here have a webcam to get undressed to... There is a problem with this as well. Just nowhere near as fucked up</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here have a webcam to get undressed to... There is a problem with this as well .
Just nowhere near as fucked up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here have a webcam to get undressed to... There is a problem with this as well.
Just nowhere near as fucked up</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189934</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>OldSoldier</author>
	<datestamp>1266484740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No mention of what the picture was, but if it was something involving nudity then... wouldn't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No mention of what the picture was , but if it was something involving nudity then... would n't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No mention of what the picture was, but if it was something involving nudity then... wouldn't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188926</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189024</id>
	<title>Good for the parents</title>
	<author>pak9rabid</author>
	<datestamp>1266525360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really hope they rain down Hell on that fucking school district.  School admins and/or faculty have had God complexes for far too long.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope they rain down Hell on that fucking school district .
School admins and/or faculty have had God complexes for far too long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope they rain down Hell on that fucking school district.
School admins and/or faculty have had God complexes for far too long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192036</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266491520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>kids who will have to go to a school $50 million in the red..</p></div><p>This is <a href="http://www.lowermerion.org/Index.aspx?page=206" title="lowermerion.org" rel="nofollow"> Lower Merion </a> [lowermerion.org], richest township in the richest county in the state. A large percentage of the families of those kids could write a check to cover that debt...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>kids who will have to go to a school $ 50 million in the red..This is Lower Merion [ lowermerion.org ] , richest township in the richest county in the state .
A large percentage of the families of those kids could write a check to cover that debt.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kids who will have to go to a school $50 million in the red..This is  Lower Merion  [lowermerion.org], richest township in the richest county in the state.
A large percentage of the families of those kids could write a check to cover that debt...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188864</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195336</id>
	<title>Re:I saw something like this on TV</title>
	<author>BLKMGK</author>
	<datestamp>1266510900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Digital Nation and NO they did NOT show the staff turning on the web cam. The vid is linked here a few times so I won't do it again but maybe go WATCH it again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital Nation and NO they did NOT show the staff turning on the web cam .
The vid is linked here a few times so I wo n't do it again but maybe go WATCH it again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital Nation and NO they did NOT show the staff turning on the web cam.
The vid is linked here a few times so I won't do it again but maybe go WATCH it again?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188692</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190198</id>
	<title>Public Schools: Spearpoint of American Fascism</title>
	<author>bistromath007</author>
	<datestamp>1266485400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It isn't the reality of this that is frightening so much as the fact that, because it's happening to children, they will grow up thinking that this is how figures of authority are supposed to interact with them. Because public and private have dangerously non-intuitive meanings now that communication is such a trivial, even accidental thing, we live in a world where some people, just in the course of going with the flow of what seems to be sociable, have no "private" lives and have forever destroyed their employability. Schools seek to solidify that as the natural state of affairs in the mind of the public. Children coming out of public school will believe that the only way to avoid the wrath of the government and their boss is to conform, because disconnecting will never seem like a reasonable option.<br>
<br>
Don't let yourself or your children be consumed by your paper trail. Remember the temperature the stuff burns at.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't the reality of this that is frightening so much as the fact that , because it 's happening to children , they will grow up thinking that this is how figures of authority are supposed to interact with them .
Because public and private have dangerously non-intuitive meanings now that communication is such a trivial , even accidental thing , we live in a world where some people , just in the course of going with the flow of what seems to be sociable , have no " private " lives and have forever destroyed their employability .
Schools seek to solidify that as the natural state of affairs in the mind of the public .
Children coming out of public school will believe that the only way to avoid the wrath of the government and their boss is to conform , because disconnecting will never seem like a reasonable option .
Do n't let yourself or your children be consumed by your paper trail .
Remember the temperature the stuff burns at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't the reality of this that is frightening so much as the fact that, because it's happening to children, they will grow up thinking that this is how figures of authority are supposed to interact with them.
Because public and private have dangerously non-intuitive meanings now that communication is such a trivial, even accidental thing, we live in a world where some people, just in the course of going with the flow of what seems to be sociable, have no "private" lives and have forever destroyed their employability.
Schools seek to solidify that as the natural state of affairs in the mind of the public.
Children coming out of public school will believe that the only way to avoid the wrath of the government and their boss is to conform, because disconnecting will never seem like a reasonable option.
Don't let yourself or your children be consumed by your paper trail.
Remember the temperature the stuff burns at.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189836</id>
	<title>You are cutting yourself with the razor</title>
	<author>rimugu</author>
	<datestamp>1266484440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are cutting yourself with the razor.<br>That is not what "Occam's Razor" is or how it is used.</p><p>Occam's Razor is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity".</p><p>Not the principle of doubting the capacity of the media (that should be common sense).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are cutting yourself with the razor.That is not what " Occam 's Razor " is or how it is used.Occam 's Razor is the principle that " entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity " .Not the principle of doubting the capacity of the media ( that should be common sense ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are cutting yourself with the razor.That is not what "Occam's Razor" is or how it is used.Occam's Razor is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity".Not the principle of doubting the capacity of the media (that should be common sense).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188648</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188950</id>
	<title>Life Imitates Art</title>
	<author>sehlat</author>
	<datestamp>1266525180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cory Doctorow's novel, "Little Brother" predicted exactly this happening in schools, where the school-issued laptops were used to monitor student behavior, websurfing, etc. etc.</p><p>I didn't think it would actually happen this soon, however.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cory Doctorow 's novel , " Little Brother " predicted exactly this happening in schools , where the school-issued laptops were used to monitor student behavior , websurfing , etc .
etc.I did n't think it would actually happen this soon , however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cory Doctorow's novel, "Little Brother" predicted exactly this happening in schools, where the school-issued laptops were used to monitor student behavior, websurfing, etc.
etc.I didn't think it would actually happen this soon, however.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190940</id>
	<title>Re:convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>Petaris</author>
	<datestamp>1266487380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hrm,</p><p>That sounds like a good idea for every politician who is pushing for more monitoring whether it be via camera, internet access logs, warrant-less wiretaps, etc.</p><p>It might just change their minds.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hrm,That sounds like a good idea for every politician who is pushing for more monitoring whether it be via camera , internet access logs , warrant-less wiretaps , etc.It might just change their minds .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hrm,That sounds like a good idea for every politician who is pushing for more monitoring whether it be via camera, internet access logs, warrant-less wiretaps, etc.It might just change their minds.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188898</id>
	<title>Re:convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>Bloopie</author>
	<datestamp>1266525000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Strap a camera around their neck</i> </p><p>Oh that's just great!  So you'll get a clear view of everyone/everything in the house <b>but</b> them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strap a camera around their neck Oh that 's just great !
So you 'll get a clear view of everyone/everything in the house but them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Strap a camera around their neck Oh that's just great!
So you'll get a clear view of everyone/everything in the house but them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188240</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189976</id>
	<title>I bet the teacher taught P.E</title>
	<author>random string of num</author>
	<datestamp>1266484800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dofilia!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC6iQwoXc-w" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC6iQwoXc-w</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>dofilia !
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = dC6iQwoXc-w [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dofilia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC6iQwoXc-w [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194132</id>
	<title>WTF JAIL TIME</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1266502980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously the teachers and the rest of their union thugs have never heard of illegal wiretapping, oh wait they're use to being above the law...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously the teachers and the rest of their union thugs have never heard of illegal wiretapping , oh wait they 're use to being above the law.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously the teachers and the rest of their union thugs have never heard of illegal wiretapping, oh wait they're use to being above the law...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192926</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>DarkMagician07</author>
	<datestamp>1266496020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, if you read the complaint, there was NO indication in any documentation that was agreed upon by the parents that the school would access the webcam.  The documents that were filed have this stated within them several times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , if you read the complaint , there was NO indication in any documentation that was agreed upon by the parents that the school would access the webcam .
The documents that were filed have this stated within them several times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, if you read the complaint, there was NO indication in any documentation that was agreed upon by the parents that the school would access the webcam.
The documents that were filed have this stated within them several times.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188830</id>
	<title>Join the club on the hate of this country</title>
	<author>drachenstern</author>
	<datestamp>1266524880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And remember it in November. Rant this stuff every day to everyone around you (except the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. stuff) and rant it fully.</p><p>Remind everyone that this system is something that we allowed to get fucked up, and that we're taking it back.</p><p>And if they look at you all o.O - ask them if they minded the bankers getting rich while this country was slammed into a recession and 10\%+ unemployment from relative peace of 10 years ago.  If they are ok with that, then encourage them not to vote.</p><p>We're taking this country back, and we're starting in November. (well, I've been preaching this for 6 years now, but critical mass is only starting to take off)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And remember it in November .
Rant this stuff every day to everyone around you ( except the / .
stuff ) and rant it fully.Remind everyone that this system is something that we allowed to get fucked up , and that we 're taking it back.And if they look at you all o.O - ask them if they minded the bankers getting rich while this country was slammed into a recession and 10 \ % + unemployment from relative peace of 10 years ago .
If they are ok with that , then encourage them not to vote.We 're taking this country back , and we 're starting in November .
( well , I 've been preaching this for 6 years now , but critical mass is only starting to take off )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And remember it in November.
Rant this stuff every day to everyone around you (except the /.
stuff) and rant it fully.Remind everyone that this system is something that we allowed to get fucked up, and that we're taking it back.And if they look at you all o.O - ask them if they minded the bankers getting rich while this country was slammed into a recession and 10\%+ unemployment from relative peace of 10 years ago.
If they are ok with that, then encourage them not to vote.We're taking this country back, and we're starting in November.
(well, I've been preaching this for 6 years now, but critical mass is only starting to take off)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191810</id>
	<title>New definition of ironic</title>
	<author>Tazor</author>
	<datestamp>1266490620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cool, i learned a new definition of ironic today: "School tries to punish students for improper behavior in their homes after SPYING on them".
<br> <br>
I'm still thinking "nah, this has to be fake" because it seems impossible that so many people went along with this and no one said "hey, this cant be right". The school should be glad that they are only getting sued, instead of being burned alive ontop of a big pile of laptops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool , i learned a new definition of ironic today : " School tries to punish students for improper behavior in their homes after SPYING on them " .
I 'm still thinking " nah , this has to be fake " because it seems impossible that so many people went along with this and no one said " hey , this cant be right " .
The school should be glad that they are only getting sued , instead of being burned alive ontop of a big pile of laptops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool, i learned a new definition of ironic today: "School tries to punish students for improper behavior in their homes after SPYING on them".
I'm still thinking "nah, this has to be fake" because it seems impossible that so many people went along with this and no one said "hey, this cant be right".
The school should be glad that they are only getting sued, instead of being burned alive ontop of a big pile of laptops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188864</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1266524940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I'd like to see several people go to prison over this, I feel bad for the local taxpayers and their kids who will have to go to a school $50 million in the red..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I 'd like to see several people go to prison over this , I feel bad for the local taxpayers and their kids who will have to go to a school $ 50 million in the red. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I'd like to see several people go to prison over this, I feel bad for the local taxpayers and their kids who will have to go to a school $50 million in the red..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188588</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192612</id>
	<title>Re:Should</title>
	<author>sowth</author>
	<datestamp>1266494460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't understand how a society that is so obsessed with protecting the children that it tries children as adults for crimes that wouldn't have been crimes if the children were adults can turn around and let adults off scott-free when they directly break the law to the detriment of children.</p></div></blockquote><p>You have it wrong. The government sees it as protecting children from themselves in the case of them distributing CP. When the school officials spy on children, the government sees it as the officials "just doing their job." This is why an uncontrolled government is the enemy to free people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand how a society that is so obsessed with protecting the children that it tries children as adults for crimes that would n't have been crimes if the children were adults can turn around and let adults off scott-free when they directly break the law to the detriment of children.You have it wrong .
The government sees it as protecting children from themselves in the case of them distributing CP .
When the school officials spy on children , the government sees it as the officials " just doing their job .
" This is why an uncontrolled government is the enemy to free people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand how a society that is so obsessed with protecting the children that it tries children as adults for crimes that wouldn't have been crimes if the children were adults can turn around and let adults off scott-free when they directly break the law to the detriment of children.You have it wrong.
The government sees it as protecting children from themselves in the case of them distributing CP.
When the school officials spy on children, the government sees it as the officials "just doing their job.
" This is why an uncontrolled government is the enemy to free people.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188552</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189550</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1266526740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the school district most likely has insurance to cover this. once this is litigated i bet every insurance company will be telling all the other school districts that if you spy on kids at home than they won't cover the liability</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the school district most likely has insurance to cover this .
once this is litigated i bet every insurance company will be telling all the other school districts that if you spy on kids at home than they wo n't cover the liability</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the school district most likely has insurance to cover this.
once this is litigated i bet every insurance company will be telling all the other school districts that if you spy on kids at home than they won't cover the liability</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188522</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188618</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>mdm-adph</author>
	<datestamp>1266524220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Masturbation.  Obviously, the child was cheating on their Abstinence-Education class.</p><p>Seriously, this whole thing is sick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Masturbation .
Obviously , the child was cheating on their Abstinence-Education class.Seriously , this whole thing is sick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masturbation.
Obviously, the child was cheating on their Abstinence-Education class.Seriously, this whole thing is sick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188420</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>anonymousJUGGERNAUT</author>
	<datestamp>1266523620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you think the info is going to be the same AP stuff at any of those locations, why \_not\_ boingboing? Do you have a problem with boingboing for some reason?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think the info is going to be the same AP stuff at any of those locations , why \ _not \ _ boingboing ?
Do you have a problem with boingboing for some reason ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think the info is going to be the same AP stuff at any of those locations, why \_not\_ boingboing?
Do you have a problem with boingboing for some reason?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190604</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266486360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government, you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...</p></div><p>That's a very twisted argument. This is <em>not</em> a reason for the government not to give students computers, because the government shouldn't be doing this, and nobody would really expect them to.</p><p>
You might have a point somewhere in there, but you undermine it by taking a bizarre outlier of a case and portraying it as the norm. After all, if a school can do this, what's to say that you are not being monitored by the laptop that you buy privately from a company?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why you do n't want " free " computers from the government , you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...That 's a very twisted argument .
This is not a reason for the government not to give students computers , because the government should n't be doing this , and nobody would really expect them to .
You might have a point somewhere in there , but you undermine it by taking a bizarre outlier of a case and portraying it as the norm .
After all , if a school can do this , what 's to say that you are not being monitored by the laptop that you buy privately from a company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government, you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...That's a very twisted argument.
This is not a reason for the government not to give students computers, because the government shouldn't be doing this, and nobody would really expect them to.
You might have a point somewhere in there, but you undermine it by taking a bizarre outlier of a case and portraying it as the norm.
After all, if a school can do this, what's to say that you are not being monitored by the laptop that you buy privately from a company?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190462</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1266486060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The class action suit describes the agreement under which the laptops were provided; no mention is made of remote monitoring.  I suggest you read <a href="http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf" title="craphound.com">the original filing</a> [craphound.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The class action suit describes the agreement under which the laptops were provided ; no mention is made of remote monitoring .
I suggest you read the original filing [ craphound.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The class action suit describes the agreement under which the laptops were provided; no mention is made of remote monitoring.
I suggest you read the original filing [craphound.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191918</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!</title>
	<author>jmichaelx</author>
	<datestamp>1266490980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perverts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perverts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perverts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188364</id>
	<title>Why Slashdot's Cory Doctorow Fixation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Answer one question and you have the answer to the other.</p><p>I'm not sure, but I think polaroids are involved...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Answer one question and you have the answer to the other.I 'm not sure , but I think polaroids are involved.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Answer one question and you have the answer to the other.I'm not sure, but I think polaroids are involved...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189442</id>
	<title>Re:If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1266526500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you have ever worked for the government, a lot of the people that work there think they know what is better for all the peons and how they need to make up all kinds of crazy rules for everyone to live by</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you have ever worked for the government , a lot of the people that work there think they know what is better for all the peons and how they need to make up all kinds of crazy rules for everyone to live by</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you have ever worked for the government, a lot of the people that work there think they know what is better for all the peons and how they need to make up all kinds of crazy rules for everyone to live by</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189090</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>pitdingo</author>
	<datestamp>1266525540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if my kid(s) go over to one of these students house to say spend the night?  And my kid(s) are not in that school district?  I guess i need to open another suit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if my kid ( s ) go over to one of these students house to say spend the night ?
And my kid ( s ) are not in that school district ?
I guess i need to open another suit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if my kid(s) go over to one of these students house to say spend the night?
And my kid(s) are not in that school district?
I guess i need to open another suit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31199998</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Psmylie</author>
	<datestamp>1266598500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anarchy is the perfect system of government, up until you start adding people. One is the optimum number for an anarchistic government. For two people, the weaker must constantly be concerned about being bullied by the stronger. With three, you have the possibility of factions. The more people you add, the less stable it gets as a system of government. </p><p>But yeah with just one person, it works great!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anarchy is the perfect system of government , up until you start adding people .
One is the optimum number for an anarchistic government .
For two people , the weaker must constantly be concerned about being bullied by the stronger .
With three , you have the possibility of factions .
The more people you add , the less stable it gets as a system of government .
But yeah with just one person , it works great !
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anarchy is the perfect system of government, up until you start adding people.
One is the optimum number for an anarchistic government.
For two people, the weaker must constantly be concerned about being bullied by the stronger.
With three, you have the possibility of factions.
The more people you add, the less stable it gets as a system of government.
But yeah with just one person, it works great!
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190294</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266485640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm fairly certain that if an educator from the 19th century had been caught watching what one of their students were doing in the privacy of their home, it would not have ended well for the educator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm fairly certain that if an educator from the 19th century had been caught watching what one of their students were doing in the privacy of their home , it would not have ended well for the educator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm fairly certain that if an educator from the 19th century had been caught watching what one of their students were doing in the privacy of their home, it would not have ended well for the educator.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192268</id>
	<title>"For every problem...</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1266492780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> I honestly think that if a concerted effort was made, a nation could function fine with a complete set of laws that fit on less than 50 pages that any citizen could read and clearly understand.</i></p><p>"For every problem, there exists a solution which is simple, neat and wrong."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I honestly think that if a concerted effort was made , a nation could function fine with a complete set of laws that fit on less than 50 pages that any citizen could read and clearly understand .
" For every problem , there exists a solution which is simple , neat and wrong .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I honestly think that if a concerted effort was made, a nation could function fine with a complete set of laws that fit on less than 50 pages that any citizen could read and clearly understand.
"For every problem, there exists a solution which is simple, neat and wrong.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188634</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you were underage, file kiddie porn charges...<br>You would get a huge damages award and some IT flunky would get nailed for it, the administration would walk away scott free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were underage , file kiddie porn charges...You would get a huge damages award and some IT flunky would get nailed for it , the administration would walk away scott free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were underage, file kiddie porn charges...You would get a huge damages award and some IT flunky would get nailed for it, the administration would walk away scott free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189984</id>
	<title>Waterfall</title>
	<author>GodfatherofSoul</author>
	<datestamp>1266484860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny how totalitarian practices by the government slowly trickle down to the local level; cops, school administrators, local government.  No surprise at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny how totalitarian practices by the government slowly trickle down to the local level ; cops , school administrators , local government .
No surprise at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny how totalitarian practices by the government slowly trickle down to the local level; cops, school administrators, local government.
No surprise at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191620</id>
	<title>All I can say...</title>
	<author>PagosaSam</author>
	<datestamp>1266489900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>About these administrators:<p>"He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm,<br> Hanging's too good for him.<br> Burning's too good for him!<br> He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About these administrators : " He 's nothing but a low-down , double-dealing , backstabbing , larcenous perverted worm , Hanging 's too good for him .
Burning 's too good for him !
He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About these administrators:"He's nothing but a low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worm, Hanging's too good for him.
Burning's too good for him!
He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191346</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1266488700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And the school will produce their Acceptable Computer Use Policy where all of the above is authorized by the parent or other legal guardian of each student, and transferring the responsibility of any illegal acts upon the student or upon their parent or other legal guardian.</p></div><p>I'm sure that will be the case. However, the typical acceptable use policy is mainly focused on the school's ability to monitor "communications" and activities central to the computer itself. I'd be willing to bet that said policy doesn't do much to protect the school in taking covert pictures in a private location without consent. Furthermore, given that kids were expected to take the laptops home with them, it's not unreasonable to suggest that covert surveillance of the webcam would produce images that, let's just say, aren't legal for possession, even for the school board.

</p><p>This story really sounds like a case of a school administrator or technology specialist trying to "bust" a student improperly using the laptop or committing some other school-related misdeed. Just like most cases of abuse of authority in schools, except that this particular individual has set the new high water mark for federal laws broken in the process.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the school will produce their Acceptable Computer Use Policy where all of the above is authorized by the parent or other legal guardian of each student , and transferring the responsibility of any illegal acts upon the student or upon their parent or other legal guardian.I 'm sure that will be the case .
However , the typical acceptable use policy is mainly focused on the school 's ability to monitor " communications " and activities central to the computer itself .
I 'd be willing to bet that said policy does n't do much to protect the school in taking covert pictures in a private location without consent .
Furthermore , given that kids were expected to take the laptops home with them , it 's not unreasonable to suggest that covert surveillance of the webcam would produce images that , let 's just say , are n't legal for possession , even for the school board .
This story really sounds like a case of a school administrator or technology specialist trying to " bust " a student improperly using the laptop or committing some other school-related misdeed .
Just like most cases of abuse of authority in schools , except that this particular individual has set the new high water mark for federal laws broken in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the school will produce their Acceptable Computer Use Policy where all of the above is authorized by the parent or other legal guardian of each student, and transferring the responsibility of any illegal acts upon the student or upon their parent or other legal guardian.I'm sure that will be the case.
However, the typical acceptable use policy is mainly focused on the school's ability to monitor "communications" and activities central to the computer itself.
I'd be willing to bet that said policy doesn't do much to protect the school in taking covert pictures in a private location without consent.
Furthermore, given that kids were expected to take the laptops home with them, it's not unreasonable to suggest that covert surveillance of the webcam would produce images that, let's just say, aren't legal for possession, even for the school board.
This story really sounds like a case of a school administrator or technology specialist trying to "bust" a student improperly using the laptop or committing some other school-related misdeed.
Just like most cases of abuse of authority in schools, except that this particular individual has set the new high water mark for federal laws broken in the process.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188990</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those that can afford to move would probably move, thereby moving tax revenue to a different school district, leaving the poorer district residents with an even larger chunk of the debt pie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those that can afford to move would probably move , thereby moving tax revenue to a different school district , leaving the poorer district residents with an even larger chunk of the debt pie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those that can afford to move would probably move, thereby moving tax revenue to a different school district, leaving the poorer district residents with an even larger chunk of the debt pie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188526</id>
	<title>Not snooping</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was no snooping, it turns out the student in question was on Chatroulette...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was no snooping , it turns out the student in question was on Chatroulette.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was no snooping, it turns out the student in question was on Chatroulette...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192368</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266493260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Putting cameras in the bathrooms is considered procuring child pornography?  My HS phys ed teacher would enforce a showering rule after every class.  If we didn't take a shower, we got a demerit.  Get enough demerits, you lose a letter grade.  He enforced it by watching us shower, and checking off our names in a notebook.  This was in the mid-90s.  BTW, I'm male, the same gender as the phys ed teacher.  It really creeped me out, but my parents didn't seem to care.  Neither did any of the other kids' parents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Putting cameras in the bathrooms is considered procuring child pornography ?
My HS phys ed teacher would enforce a showering rule after every class .
If we did n't take a shower , we got a demerit .
Get enough demerits , you lose a letter grade .
He enforced it by watching us shower , and checking off our names in a notebook .
This was in the mid-90s .
BTW , I 'm male , the same gender as the phys ed teacher .
It really creeped me out , but my parents did n't seem to care .
Neither did any of the other kids ' parents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Putting cameras in the bathrooms is considered procuring child pornography?
My HS phys ed teacher would enforce a showering rule after every class.
If we didn't take a shower, we got a demerit.
Get enough demerits, you lose a letter grade.
He enforced it by watching us shower, and checking off our names in a notebook.
This was in the mid-90s.
BTW, I'm male, the same gender as the phys ed teacher.
It really creeped me out, but my parents didn't seem to care.
Neither did any of the other kids' parents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195150</id>
	<title>Official Statement from the school district...</title>
	<author>BLKMGK</author>
	<datestamp>1266509520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137</a> [lmsd.org]</p><p>They claim that the capability was designed to find lost or stolen laptops ONLY so if it was used in this manner is was apparently done so improperly. The Superintendent seems to claim that only the IT group can activate this or see the images so it remains to be seen as to what happened here but I have some thoughts....</p><p>From watching a video from another school district that I found in the comments on BoinBoing some schools sometimes see the students because the students run apps on their desktop that display video from their own WEB cam. Photobooth was the app mentioned in that story and the desktop appeared to be OSX so not likely the same software here but possible a similar program.</p><p>Lastly, if they have the capability to remotely control, as this other school did, then they could also be launching apps or installing apps that are allowing this kind of peeping - not cool IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php ? m = 0&amp;t = today&amp;p = lmsd \ _anno&amp;id = 1137 [ lmsd.org ] They claim that the capability was designed to find lost or stolen laptops ONLY so if it was used in this manner is was apparently done so improperly .
The Superintendent seems to claim that only the IT group can activate this or see the images so it remains to be seen as to what happened here but I have some thoughts....From watching a video from another school district that I found in the comments on BoinBoing some schools sometimes see the students because the students run apps on their desktop that display video from their own WEB cam .
Photobooth was the app mentioned in that story and the desktop appeared to be OSX so not likely the same software here but possible a similar program.Lastly , if they have the capability to remotely control , as this other school did , then they could also be launching apps or installing apps that are allowing this kind of peeping - not cool IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137 [lmsd.org]They claim that the capability was designed to find lost or stolen laptops ONLY so if it was used in this manner is was apparently done so improperly.
The Superintendent seems to claim that only the IT group can activate this or see the images so it remains to be seen as to what happened here but I have some thoughts....From watching a video from another school district that I found in the comments on BoinBoing some schools sometimes see the students because the students run apps on their desktop that display video from their own WEB cam.
Photobooth was the app mentioned in that story and the desktop appeared to be OSX so not likely the same software here but possible a similar program.Lastly, if they have the capability to remotely control, as this other school did, then they could also be launching apps or installing apps that are allowing this kind of peeping - not cool IMO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188986</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1266525240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I would say that somebody should be up on criminal charges.  How do they know that my wife or daughter are not changing in that room when they decide to spy. How do I know that they are not recording nude pictures of my children?<br>Your right that a class action law case will only help the lawyers. I want to see people go to jail for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I would say that somebody should be up on criminal charges .
How do they know that my wife or daughter are not changing in that room when they decide to spy .
How do I know that they are not recording nude pictures of my children ? Your right that a class action law case will only help the lawyers .
I want to see people go to jail for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I would say that somebody should be up on criminal charges.
How do they know that my wife or daughter are not changing in that room when they decide to spy.
How do I know that they are not recording nude pictures of my children?Your right that a class action law case will only help the lawyers.
I want to see people go to jail for this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190464</id>
	<title>Good use of tax dollars?</title>
	<author>Fujisawa Sensei</author>
	<datestamp>1266486060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it will be a good use of tax dollars to keep the people responsible for this in jail; forever.</p><p>Preferable where the stick all the violent offenders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it will be a good use of tax dollars to keep the people responsible for this in jail ; forever.Preferable where the stick all the violent offenders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it will be a good use of tax dollars to keep the people responsible for this in jail; forever.Preferable where the stick all the violent offenders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191408</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>gr8\_phk</author>
	<datestamp>1266489000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If it were my daughter's computer, I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney. I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved.</p></div></blockquote><p>
So if the local officials at the schools are misbehaving, you'd go to the local officials down the street to complain? I think a civil case is better, once the misconduct is documented in court you can still involve the authorities. OTOH there is a chance that local politics could influence a criminal investigation. Their lawyer is personally motivated by profit in addition to any other motivations (s)he may have.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it were my daughter 's computer , I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney .
I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney 's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved .
So if the local officials at the schools are misbehaving , you 'd go to the local officials down the street to complain ?
I think a civil case is better , once the misconduct is documented in court you can still involve the authorities .
OTOH there is a chance that local politics could influence a criminal investigation .
Their lawyer is personally motivated by profit in addition to any other motivations ( s ) he may have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it were my daughter's computer, I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney.
I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved.
So if the local officials at the schools are misbehaving, you'd go to the local officials down the street to complain?
I think a civil case is better, once the misconduct is documented in court you can still involve the authorities.
OTOH there is a chance that local politics could influence a criminal investigation.
Their lawyer is personally motivated by profit in addition to any other motivations (s)he may have.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190720</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266486660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't imagine what would I do if I was the one targeted by those webcams.</p></div><p>
<i>I</i> can.  If it were my daughter caught on the web cam, I would first request a meeting with the school administrator who sent me the photo.  I think I will decline to describe what step two -- in the administrator's office -- would be, but let's just say that step three would be a phone call to the very best lawyer I can afford, and not because I wanted to share my newfound wealth with him.
<br> <br>
Posting anonymously so I don't undo the moderation I've already done in this forum.
<br> <br>
--Element-O.P.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't imagine what would I do if I was the one targeted by those webcams .
I can .
If it were my daughter caught on the web cam , I would first request a meeting with the school administrator who sent me the photo .
I think I will decline to describe what step two -- in the administrator 's office -- would be , but let 's just say that step three would be a phone call to the very best lawyer I can afford , and not because I wanted to share my newfound wealth with him .
Posting anonymously so I do n't undo the moderation I 've already done in this forum .
--Element-O.P .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't imagine what would I do if I was the one targeted by those webcams.
I can.
If it were my daughter caught on the web cam, I would first request a meeting with the school administrator who sent me the photo.
I think I will decline to describe what step two -- in the administrator's office -- would be, but let's just say that step three would be a phone call to the very best lawyer I can afford, and not because I wanted to share my newfound wealth with him.
Posting anonymously so I don't undo the moderation I've already done in this forum.
--Element-O.P.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190354</id>
	<title>Re:The bigger question...</title>
	<author>weicco</author>
	<datestamp>1266485760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Questioning the teachers' authority, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Questioning the teachers ' authority , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Questioning the teachers' authority, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192300</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1266492960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm guessing that the kid was looking at smut, and was caught self-abusing.  Or maybe he was using the webcam to post a picture on his Facebook page of himself making a rude gesture and adding a profane tag to it.  Perhaps he was searching Google for information about how to roll a joint, and he was caught practicing.  Any scenario I can think of would stem from the kid doing something on the laptop that raised a red flag to a network admin, who then investigated the incident.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing that the kid was looking at smut , and was caught self-abusing .
Or maybe he was using the webcam to post a picture on his Facebook page of himself making a rude gesture and adding a profane tag to it .
Perhaps he was searching Google for information about how to roll a joint , and he was caught practicing .
Any scenario I can think of would stem from the kid doing something on the laptop that raised a red flag to a network admin , who then investigated the incident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing that the kid was looking at smut, and was caught self-abusing.
Or maybe he was using the webcam to post a picture on his Facebook page of himself making a rude gesture and adding a profane tag to it.
Perhaps he was searching Google for information about how to roll a joint, and he was caught practicing.
Any scenario I can think of would stem from the kid doing something on the laptop that raised a red flag to a network admin, who then investigated the incident.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195976</id>
	<title>Re:The bigger question...</title>
	<author>aldld</author>
	<datestamp>1266518460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would probably have something to do with improper use of school equipment. So... using the laptop to look at porn?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would probably have something to do with improper use of school equipment .
So... using the laptop to look at porn ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would probably have something to do with improper use of school equipment.
So... using the laptop to look at porn?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31200358</id>
	<title>Alternate explanation?</title>
	<author>Fastolfe</author>
	<datestamp>1266600180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An article says the "incriminating" image was taken off of the hard drive of the laptop.  Any school administrators invading students privacy by snooping through their laptops deserve what they're going to get out of all of this.</p><p>But consider: The laptops had anti-theft security software installed on them.  This seems perfectly reasonable when you're distributing laptops to thousands of kids. Any decent anti-theft software (e.g. Undercover for the Mac) will have a feature to remotely enable the webcam so as to take snapshots to try and identify the thief.  In many cases the anti-theft software can only be activated by the company providing the service, in response to a declaration that the laptop was stolen.</p><p>Is it possible that these two things are completely unrelated?  How do we know that the school activated this software so as to spy on the student?  If the image was sufficiently embarrassing, and the student took the snapshot himself, maybe he'd prefer to just let everyone believe that the school did it covertly?  Snooping through files is certainly wrong, but actually remotely activating the webcam so as to snoop on the kids is just so absurdly wrong that I cannot imagine anyone doing this and believing they're in the right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An article says the " incriminating " image was taken off of the hard drive of the laptop .
Any school administrators invading students privacy by snooping through their laptops deserve what they 're going to get out of all of this.But consider : The laptops had anti-theft security software installed on them .
This seems perfectly reasonable when you 're distributing laptops to thousands of kids .
Any decent anti-theft software ( e.g .
Undercover for the Mac ) will have a feature to remotely enable the webcam so as to take snapshots to try and identify the thief .
In many cases the anti-theft software can only be activated by the company providing the service , in response to a declaration that the laptop was stolen.Is it possible that these two things are completely unrelated ?
How do we know that the school activated this software so as to spy on the student ?
If the image was sufficiently embarrassing , and the student took the snapshot himself , maybe he 'd prefer to just let everyone believe that the school did it covertly ?
Snooping through files is certainly wrong , but actually remotely activating the webcam so as to snoop on the kids is just so absurdly wrong that I can not imagine anyone doing this and believing they 're in the right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An article says the "incriminating" image was taken off of the hard drive of the laptop.
Any school administrators invading students privacy by snooping through their laptops deserve what they're going to get out of all of this.But consider: The laptops had anti-theft security software installed on them.
This seems perfectly reasonable when you're distributing laptops to thousands of kids.
Any decent anti-theft software (e.g.
Undercover for the Mac) will have a feature to remotely enable the webcam so as to take snapshots to try and identify the thief.
In many cases the anti-theft software can only be activated by the company providing the service, in response to a declaration that the laptop was stolen.Is it possible that these two things are completely unrelated?
How do we know that the school activated this software so as to spy on the student?
If the image was sufficiently embarrassing, and the student took the snapshot himself, maybe he'd prefer to just let everyone believe that the school did it covertly?
Snooping through files is certainly wrong, but actually remotely activating the webcam so as to snoop on the kids is just so absurdly wrong that I cannot imagine anyone doing this and believing they're in the right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192756</id>
	<title>Re:Kiddie porn</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1266495300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hell, I'd go as far as to tell them that I have masturbated in front of it.</p></div><p>Did you?  If not, keep in mind that they will have evidence of that as well.  Falsely accusing someone of a felony probably won't get you very far.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , I 'd go as far as to tell them that I have masturbated in front of it.Did you ?
If not , keep in mind that they will have evidence of that as well .
Falsely accusing someone of a felony probably wo n't get you very far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, I'd go as far as to tell them that I have masturbated in front of it.Did you?
If not, keep in mind that they will have evidence of that as well.
Falsely accusing someone of a felony probably won't get you very far.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189476</id>
	<title>close to legal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266526560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, "close to legal" was the title of the DVD the teachers were passing around with a compilation of the footage from these laptops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , " close to legal " was the title of the DVD the teachers were passing around with a compilation of the footage from these laptops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, "close to legal" was the title of the DVD the teachers were passing around with a compilation of the footage from these laptops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193090</id>
	<title>Re:This story has not been confirmed</title>
	<author>TrueRock</author>
	<datestamp>1266496680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the Lower Merion School District web site:</p><p>
&nbsp; Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed?<br>Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property. The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.</p><p>
&nbsp; How did the security feature work?<br>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments. The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the Lower Merion School District web site :   Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed ? Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property .
The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost , missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student .
  How did the security feature work ? Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments .
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator 's screen .
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the Lower Merion School District web site:
  Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed?Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property.
The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.
  How did the security feature work?Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments.
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen.
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188978</id>
	<title>Jail time, please</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the love of justice, this needs to end in jail time for the people responsible. This is <em>way</em> beyond what any reasonable person could find acceptable. It can only be the outgrowth of demented minds. If they could even imagine that they had the right to do this to students, imagine what else they might decide they have the right to do. These people are sick and should not be allowed power over kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the love of justice , this needs to end in jail time for the people responsible .
This is way beyond what any reasonable person could find acceptable .
It can only be the outgrowth of demented minds .
If they could even imagine that they had the right to do this to students , imagine what else they might decide they have the right to do .
These people are sick and should not be allowed power over kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the love of justice, this needs to end in jail time for the people responsible.
This is way beyond what any reasonable person could find acceptable.
It can only be the outgrowth of demented minds.
If they could even imagine that they had the right to do this to students, imagine what else they might decide they have the right to do.
These people are sick and should not be allowed power over kids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190992</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1266487500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That said... the laptops were provided by the school.  Just like my employer, I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.</p></div><p>Given that the laptops were assigned to students, I'm sure the school board was smart enough to at least get a standard Acceptable Use Policy, i.e. something to the effect of "communication and use may be monitored, etc". However, having the laptop take discreet pictures without specific consent is far and beyond "monitoring use" and borders on "covert surveillance of a private dwelling".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That said... the laptops were provided by the school .
Just like my employer , I 'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored , non-official use is verboten , etc.Given that the laptops were assigned to students , I 'm sure the school board was smart enough to at least get a standard Acceptable Use Policy , i.e .
something to the effect of " communication and use may be monitored , etc " .
However , having the laptop take discreet pictures without specific consent is far and beyond " monitoring use " and borders on " covert surveillance of a private dwelling " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That said... the laptops were provided by the school.
Just like my employer, I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.Given that the laptops were assigned to students, I'm sure the school board was smart enough to at least get a standard Acceptable Use Policy, i.e.
something to the effect of "communication and use may be monitored, etc".
However, having the laptop take discreet pictures without specific consent is far and beyond "monitoring use" and borders on "covert surveillance of a private dwelling".
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195304</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>BLKMGK</author>
	<datestamp>1266510780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's remotely watching the DESKTOP not the kids. The kids are running a program named Photobooth in order to use the camera as a mirror and it is THAT on the desktop that the teacher sees not a direct feed from the web cam. As it happens this school is ALSO using OSX based computers and it's possible that something similar was done or that the child took a pic at home and it was found on the desktop later by a snooping teacher. Watch that video carefully and you will see the teacher take control of the desktop to try and snap a picture, the child realize what's up and duck away, and the guy tell the reporter that that's what they usually do when he attempts to catch them by taking a picture to yank their chain.....</p><p>It's not as bad as it could be if that Digital Nation video is accurate but it's not great either IMO. The Superintendent of that school system has issued a statement saying that they can take pics but normally just due to a theft situation and that only the IT group sees the pics....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's remotely watching the DESKTOP not the kids .
The kids are running a program named Photobooth in order to use the camera as a mirror and it is THAT on the desktop that the teacher sees not a direct feed from the web cam .
As it happens this school is ALSO using OSX based computers and it 's possible that something similar was done or that the child took a pic at home and it was found on the desktop later by a snooping teacher .
Watch that video carefully and you will see the teacher take control of the desktop to try and snap a picture , the child realize what 's up and duck away , and the guy tell the reporter that that 's what they usually do when he attempts to catch them by taking a picture to yank their chain.....It 's not as bad as it could be if that Digital Nation video is accurate but it 's not great either IMO .
The Superintendent of that school system has issued a statement saying that they can take pics but normally just due to a theft situation and that only the IT group sees the pics... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's remotely watching the DESKTOP not the kids.
The kids are running a program named Photobooth in order to use the camera as a mirror and it is THAT on the desktop that the teacher sees not a direct feed from the web cam.
As it happens this school is ALSO using OSX based computers and it's possible that something similar was done or that the child took a pic at home and it was found on the desktop later by a snooping teacher.
Watch that video carefully and you will see the teacher take control of the desktop to try and snap a picture, the child realize what's up and duck away, and the guy tell the reporter that that's what they usually do when he attempts to catch them by taking a picture to yank their chain.....It's not as bad as it could be if that Digital Nation video is accurate but it's not great either IMO.
The Superintendent of that school system has issued a statement saying that they can take pics but normally just due to a theft situation and that only the IT group sees the pics....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188500</id>
	<title>I forsee criminal charges.</title>
	<author>Montezumaa</author>
	<datestamp>1266523800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If law enforcement in that area, along with the DA, are willing to do their jobs, then I foresee serious criminal charges for the person or people involved with this mess.  As agents of the government, which any government employee is, such a person or people must have a warrant in order to engage in such activities.  Since this spying was going on in the student's home and not at school, the school official(s) cannot claim they were within their right to spy.</p><p>Looking a computer logs, while a stretch itself, might be legal in some circumstances, actively spying on a person's activities in their home is highly illegal.  This should get very interesting, if the people involved with bringing the lawsuit are willing to go the distance with the case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If law enforcement in that area , along with the DA , are willing to do their jobs , then I foresee serious criminal charges for the person or people involved with this mess .
As agents of the government , which any government employee is , such a person or people must have a warrant in order to engage in such activities .
Since this spying was going on in the student 's home and not at school , the school official ( s ) can not claim they were within their right to spy.Looking a computer logs , while a stretch itself , might be legal in some circumstances , actively spying on a person 's activities in their home is highly illegal .
This should get very interesting , if the people involved with bringing the lawsuit are willing to go the distance with the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If law enforcement in that area, along with the DA, are willing to do their jobs, then I foresee serious criminal charges for the person or people involved with this mess.
As agents of the government, which any government employee is, such a person or people must have a warrant in order to engage in such activities.
Since this spying was going on in the student's home and not at school, the school official(s) cannot claim they were within their right to spy.Looking a computer logs, while a stretch itself, might be legal in some circumstances, actively spying on a person's activities in their home is highly illegal.
This should get very interesting, if the people involved with bringing the lawsuit are willing to go the distance with the case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31203908</id>
	<title>do you have a court order?</title>
	<author>meta</author>
	<datestamp>1266573060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first count of the lawsuit claims the school is guilty of unauthorized wiretapping under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. To support this, it calls the retrieval of the webcam images from the laptop a transmission (which is reasonable), but then characterizes the school's receiving equipment not as receiving equipment but as an unauthorized wiretap---which intercepted the<br>school's own transmission.</p><p>Based on my own reading, the ECPA does not take receiving your own transmission to be a form of wiretap. But if I am wrong, then all web surfing---including reading this comment---is unauthorized wiretap unless you have a court order.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first count of the lawsuit claims the school is guilty of unauthorized wiretapping under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act .
To support this , it calls the retrieval of the webcam images from the laptop a transmission ( which is reasonable ) , but then characterizes the school 's receiving equipment not as receiving equipment but as an unauthorized wiretap---which intercepted theschool 's own transmission.Based on my own reading , the ECPA does not take receiving your own transmission to be a form of wiretap .
But if I am wrong , then all web surfing---including reading this comment---is unauthorized wiretap unless you have a court order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first count of the lawsuit claims the school is guilty of unauthorized wiretapping under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act.
To support this, it calls the retrieval of the webcam images from the laptop a transmission (which is reasonable), but then characterizes the school's receiving equipment not as receiving equipment but as an unauthorized wiretap---which intercepted theschool's own transmission.Based on my own reading, the ECPA does not take receiving your own transmission to be a form of wiretap.
But if I am wrong, then all web surfing---including reading this comment---is unauthorized wiretap unless you have a court order.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188470</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266523740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He simply wasn't paying attention when Kowalski explained it to Toad. It's THREE magic tools -- duct tape, WD-40, and a pair of vicegrips. The vicegrips will fix the microphone problem, and actually should be used on the school's principal.</p><p>I hope the parents of the affected kids get a million bucks apiece from the district, and somebody in the school's administration goes to prison. A peeping Tom would get prison, how is this not the same thing only worse? School administrators should be made to realize that they're not gods, and the kids and their parents have rights.</p><p>If any of the parents are like some people I know, those administrators should be fearing for their personal safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He simply was n't paying attention when Kowalski explained it to Toad .
It 's THREE magic tools -- duct tape , WD-40 , and a pair of vicegrips .
The vicegrips will fix the microphone problem , and actually should be used on the school 's principal.I hope the parents of the affected kids get a million bucks apiece from the district , and somebody in the school 's administration goes to prison .
A peeping Tom would get prison , how is this not the same thing only worse ?
School administrators should be made to realize that they 're not gods , and the kids and their parents have rights.If any of the parents are like some people I know , those administrators should be fearing for their personal safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He simply wasn't paying attention when Kowalski explained it to Toad.
It's THREE magic tools -- duct tape, WD-40, and a pair of vicegrips.
The vicegrips will fix the microphone problem, and actually should be used on the school's principal.I hope the parents of the affected kids get a million bucks apiece from the district, and somebody in the school's administration goes to prison.
A peeping Tom would get prison, how is this not the same thing only worse?
School administrators should be made to realize that they're not gods, and the kids and their parents have rights.If any of the parents are like some people I know, those administrators should be fearing for their personal safety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189738</id>
	<title>Re:The ever growing list of reasons</title>
	<author>Skidborg</author>
	<datestamp>1266484140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm out of points but I'd mod you up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm out of points but I 'd mod you up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm out of points but I'd mod you up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188534</id>
	<title>Les jeux sont faits. Translation: the game is up.</title>
	<author>TrentTheThief</author>
	<datestamp>1266523920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://lakecityquietpills.com/photo/multihost/images/66699594208599010528.jpg" title="lakecityquietpills.com" rel="nofollow">http://lakecityquietpills.com/photo/multihost/images/66699594208599010528.jpg</a> [lakecityquietpills.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //lakecityquietpills.com/photo/multihost/images/66699594208599010528.jpg [ lakecityquietpills.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://lakecityquietpills.com/photo/multihost/images/66699594208599010528.jpg [lakecityquietpills.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188272</id>
	<title>Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Associated Press is <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100218/ap\_on\_hi\_te/us\_laptops\_spying\_on\_students;\_ylt=AjRSiQMBhXJ3ZvF9DnbNSYqs0NUE;\_ylu=X3oDMTFoY29xbDVqBHBvcwMxMzUEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl90ZWNobm9sb2d5BHNsawNzdWl0cGFzY2hvb2w-" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">covering this</a> [yahoo.com] (link is to Yahoo; just about any paper will have the same content). Boingboing (who I see no reason to visit) is probably quoting or otherwise parroting the AP. It makes me wonder if jargon82 works for or is part owner of boingboing?</p><p>Google News lists 25 separate, highly respected news sites such as the London Telegraph, Philadelphia Enqiuirer, USA Toady, Toronto Star, Ars Technica, The Consumerist... Yet slashdot links boingboing?</p><p>WTF?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Associated Press is covering this [ yahoo.com ] ( link is to Yahoo ; just about any paper will have the same content ) .
Boingboing ( who I see no reason to visit ) is probably quoting or otherwise parroting the AP .
It makes me wonder if jargon82 works for or is part owner of boingboing ? Google News lists 25 separate , highly respected news sites such as the London Telegraph , Philadelphia Enqiuirer , USA Toady , Toronto Star , Ars Technica , The Consumerist... Yet slashdot links boingboing ? WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Associated Press is covering this [yahoo.com] (link is to Yahoo; just about any paper will have the same content).
Boingboing (who I see no reason to visit) is probably quoting or otherwise parroting the AP.
It makes me wonder if jargon82 works for or is part owner of boingboing?Google News lists 25 separate, highly respected news sites such as the London Telegraph, Philadelphia Enqiuirer, USA Toady, Toronto Star, Ars Technica, The Consumerist... Yet slashdot links boingboing?WTF?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196060</id>
	<title>Team Spirit!</title>
	<author>nanospook</author>
	<datestamp>1266519660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm, I wonder whether the cheer leading team is doing their homework (and stretches), let's take a peek shall we?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm , I wonder whether the cheer leading team is doing their homework ( and stretches ) , let 's take a peek shall we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm, I wonder whether the cheer leading team is doing their homework (and stretches), let's take a peek shall we?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189862</id>
	<title>Re:convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266484500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Personally I hope those responsible for this invasion of privacy are subjected to home monitoring - by the whole internet.</p></div><p>Unfortunately, "Not-so-Hot Middle-Aged School Administrators" won't be so much a porn site as a shock site.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I hope those responsible for this invasion of privacy are subjected to home monitoring - by the whole internet.Unfortunately , " Not-so-Hot Middle-Aged School Administrators " wo n't be so much a porn site as a shock site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I hope those responsible for this invasion of privacy are subjected to home monitoring - by the whole internet.Unfortunately, "Not-so-Hot Middle-Aged School Administrators" won't be so much a porn site as a shock site.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195346</id>
	<title>Like my school?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1266510960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this school is anything like the schools I remember growing up from my and my siblings' childhood, then I'd say the chances of many of these "faculty" being "students" is fairly high.</p><p>I'm not saying the faculty didn't do it (I didn't RTFA, I heard about it on the radio w/ skepticism about whether the claims were real), but these are "educators" we're talking about here. They're the soft, squishy types (or the limp-wrists who hang hang out with them) with nothing between the ears (for the most part).</p><p>My youngest sibling graduated high school in 2004. One of her classmates was caught "hacking" computers in the lab (access to unrestricted file servers which should have been). One of my brother's siblings got caught for accessing the teacher electronic grading system (from the lab, not from a special computer, using the last names of the teachers and blank passwords - as observed from the classroom as the teacher typed it). When I was in school, I know there were at least a couple people gaining juicy gossip and hotmail account login credentials through keyloggers, and I imagine such things go on still today.</p><p>I remember this nonsense going on back into the early 1990s. No matter what, there will always be one or two curious, creative, and inquisitive kids within a student populace which will be able to get around the simple restrictive measures put in forth by a group self-selected for mediocrity.</p><p>Let's put it this way: If you were a high school geek with a mischeivious streak and knew that all of the laptops - which every student had one of and could be remotely administered/accessed - had web cams, would you see if you could acquire images from that hot cheerleader you've had a crush on since middle school? Damn straight you would, consequences be damned. Boobs have a strange way of enticing geeky high school kids to do stupid shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this school is anything like the schools I remember growing up from my and my siblings ' childhood , then I 'd say the chances of many of these " faculty " being " students " is fairly high.I 'm not saying the faculty did n't do it ( I did n't RTFA , I heard about it on the radio w/ skepticism about whether the claims were real ) , but these are " educators " we 're talking about here .
They 're the soft , squishy types ( or the limp-wrists who hang hang out with them ) with nothing between the ears ( for the most part ) .My youngest sibling graduated high school in 2004 .
One of her classmates was caught " hacking " computers in the lab ( access to unrestricted file servers which should have been ) .
One of my brother 's siblings got caught for accessing the teacher electronic grading system ( from the lab , not from a special computer , using the last names of the teachers and blank passwords - as observed from the classroom as the teacher typed it ) .
When I was in school , I know there were at least a couple people gaining juicy gossip and hotmail account login credentials through keyloggers , and I imagine such things go on still today.I remember this nonsense going on back into the early 1990s .
No matter what , there will always be one or two curious , creative , and inquisitive kids within a student populace which will be able to get around the simple restrictive measures put in forth by a group self-selected for mediocrity.Let 's put it this way : If you were a high school geek with a mischeivious streak and knew that all of the laptops - which every student had one of and could be remotely administered/accessed - had web cams , would you see if you could acquire images from that hot cheerleader you 've had a crush on since middle school ?
Damn straight you would , consequences be damned .
Boobs have a strange way of enticing geeky high school kids to do stupid shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this school is anything like the schools I remember growing up from my and my siblings' childhood, then I'd say the chances of many of these "faculty" being "students" is fairly high.I'm not saying the faculty didn't do it (I didn't RTFA, I heard about it on the radio w/ skepticism about whether the claims were real), but these are "educators" we're talking about here.
They're the soft, squishy types (or the limp-wrists who hang hang out with them) with nothing between the ears (for the most part).My youngest sibling graduated high school in 2004.
One of her classmates was caught "hacking" computers in the lab (access to unrestricted file servers which should have been).
One of my brother's siblings got caught for accessing the teacher electronic grading system (from the lab, not from a special computer, using the last names of the teachers and blank passwords - as observed from the classroom as the teacher typed it).
When I was in school, I know there were at least a couple people gaining juicy gossip and hotmail account login credentials through keyloggers, and I imagine such things go on still today.I remember this nonsense going on back into the early 1990s.
No matter what, there will always be one or two curious, creative, and inquisitive kids within a student populace which will be able to get around the simple restrictive measures put in forth by a group self-selected for mediocrity.Let's put it this way: If you were a high school geek with a mischeivious streak and knew that all of the laptops - which every student had one of and could be remotely administered/accessed - had web cams, would you see if you could acquire images from that hot cheerleader you've had a crush on since middle school?
Damn straight you would, consequences be damned.
Boobs have a strange way of enticing geeky high school kids to do stupid shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31199224</id>
	<title>Email response from PA school superintendent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266594840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear LMSD Parents/Guardians,</p><p>Our history has been to go to great lengths to protect the privacy of our students; whether it comes to student health, academic or other records. In fact, many of you may remember the heated debate over whether to have security cameras monitor some of our food vending machines. Privacy is a basic right in our society and a matter we take very seriously. We believe that a good job can always be done better.<br>Recent publicity regarding the District&rsquo;s one-to-one high school laptop initiative, and questions about the security of student laptops prompted our administration to revisit security procedures.<br>Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property. District laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops. The security feature, which was disabled today, was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.<br>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments. The security feature&rsquo;s capabilities were limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature was only used for the narrow purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District never activated the security feature for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.<br>As a result of our preliminary review of security procedures today, I directed the following actions:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Immediate disabling of the security-tracking program.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A thorough review of the existing policies for student laptop use.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A review of security procedures to help safeguard the protection of privacy; including a review of the instances in which the security software was activated. We want to ensure that any affected students and families are made aware of the outcome of laptop recovery investigations.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A review of any other technology areas in which the intersection of privacy and security may come into play.<br>We are proud of the fact that we are a leader in providing laptops to every high school student as part of our instructional program. But we need to be equally as proud of the safeguards we have in place to protect the privacy of the users, as well as to safeguard district-owned property while being used by students.<br>We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families. If you have any questions or concerns, please email us at info@lmsd.org. Additional information has been posted on our website, www.lmsd.org.<br>Thank you for your time and attention.<br>Sincerely,<br>Dr. Christopher W. McGinley<br>Superintendent of Schools<br>Lower Merion School District</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear LMSD Parents/Guardians,Our history has been to go to great lengths to protect the privacy of our students ; whether it comes to student health , academic or other records .
In fact , many of you may remember the heated debate over whether to have security cameras monitor some of our food vending machines .
Privacy is a basic right in our society and a matter we take very seriously .
We believe that a good job can always be done better.Recent publicity regarding the District    s one-to-one high school laptop initiative , and questions about the security of student laptops prompted our administration to revisit security procedures.Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property .
District laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost , stolen and missing laptops .
The security feature , which was disabled today , was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost , missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments .
The security feature    s capabilities were limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator 's screen .
This feature was only used for the narrow purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District never activated the security feature for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.As a result of our preliminary review of security procedures today , I directed the following actions :                   Immediate disabling of the security-tracking program .
                  A thorough review of the existing policies for student laptop use .
                  A review of security procedures to help safeguard the protection of privacy ; including a review of the instances in which the security software was activated .
We want to ensure that any affected students and families are made aware of the outcome of laptop recovery investigations .
                  A review of any other technology areas in which the intersection of privacy and security may come into play.We are proud of the fact that we are a leader in providing laptops to every high school student as part of our instructional program .
But we need to be equally as proud of the safeguards we have in place to protect the privacy of the users , as well as to safeguard district-owned property while being used by students.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families .
If you have any questions or concerns , please email us at info @ lmsd.org .
Additional information has been posted on our website , www.lmsd.org.Thank you for your time and attention.Sincerely,Dr .
Christopher W. McGinleySuperintendent of SchoolsLower Merion School District</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear LMSD Parents/Guardians,Our history has been to go to great lengths to protect the privacy of our students; whether it comes to student health, academic or other records.
In fact, many of you may remember the heated debate over whether to have security cameras monitor some of our food vending machines.
Privacy is a basic right in our society and a matter we take very seriously.
We believe that a good job can always be done better.Recent publicity regarding the District’s one-to-one high school laptop initiative, and questions about the security of student laptops prompted our administration to revisit security procedures.Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property.
District laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops.
The security feature, which was disabled today, was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments.
The security feature’s capabilities were limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen.
This feature was only used for the narrow purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District never activated the security feature for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.As a result of our preliminary review of security procedures today, I directed the following actions:
                  Immediate disabling of the security-tracking program.
                  A thorough review of the existing policies for student laptop use.
                  A review of security procedures to help safeguard the protection of privacy; including a review of the instances in which the security software was activated.
We want to ensure that any affected students and families are made aware of the outcome of laptop recovery investigations.
                  A review of any other technology areas in which the intersection of privacy and security may come into play.We are proud of the fact that we are a leader in providing laptops to every high school student as part of our instructional program.
But we need to be equally as proud of the safeguards we have in place to protect the privacy of the users, as well as to safeguard district-owned property while being used by students.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families.
If you have any questions or concerns, please email us at info@lmsd.org.
Additional information has been posted on our website, www.lmsd.org.Thank you for your time and attention.Sincerely,Dr.
Christopher W. McGinleySuperintendent of SchoolsLower Merion School District</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188708</id>
	<title>Re:Could be embarrassing</title>
	<author>DRAGONWEEZEL</author>
	<datestamp>1266524520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like sitting on the toilet?  How about stepping through the front door of their parent's house?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like sitting on the toilet ?
How about stepping through the front door of their parent 's house ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like sitting on the toilet?
How about stepping through the front door of their parent's house?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189928</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics?</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1266484740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who came up with this?! It boggles the mind.</p></div><p>Now you begin to see why these school teachers and administrators would <i> <b>never</b> </i> make it in the private sector.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who came up with this ? !
It boggles the mind.Now you begin to see why these school teachers and administrators would never make it in the private sector .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who came up with this?!
It boggles the mind.Now you begin to see why these school teachers and administrators would  never  make it in the private sector.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189042</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>kestasjk</author>
	<datestamp>1266525420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope every citizen of the US gets a million bucks from the district. That'll show that pesky district!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope every citizen of the US gets a million bucks from the district .
That 'll show that pesky district !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope every citizen of the US gets a million bucks from the district.
That'll show that pesky district!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192120</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1266491880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Beautiful job by the lawyers in this case. They're the only winners. It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.</i></p><p>Who fucking cares if lawyers end up with money?  Those who did your kid wrong are taken to the cleaners WITHOUT you having to spend tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys and appeals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beautiful job by the lawyers in this case .
They 're the only winners .
It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.Who fucking cares if lawyers end up with money ?
Those who did your kid wrong are taken to the cleaners WITHOUT you having to spend tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys and appeals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beautiful job by the lawyers in this case.
They're the only winners.
It is a class action where all students in the district are members of the class.Who fucking cares if lawyers end up with money?
Those who did your kid wrong are taken to the cleaners WITHOUT you having to spend tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys and appeals.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188522</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189330</id>
	<title>Re:OLPC</title>
	<author>kenh</author>
	<datestamp>1266526260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do the OLPC XOs have webcams?</p><p>Yes they do... <a href="http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml" title="laptop.org">http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml</a> [laptop.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do the OLPC XOs have webcams ? Yes they do... http : //laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml [ laptop.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do the OLPC XOs have webcams?Yes they do... http://laptop.org/en/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml [laptop.org]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188832</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise here</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1266524880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't wait for the stellar decision:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "Students have no reasonable expectation of privacy in their homes"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait for the stellar decision :       " Students have no reasonable expectation of privacy in their homes "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait for the stellar decision:
      "Students have no reasonable expectation of privacy in their homes"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194442</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266504900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget Copyright Violation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget Copyright Violation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget Copyright Violation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195064</id>
	<title>What spyware was Lower Merion School Dis. using?</title>
	<author>TrueRock</author>
	<datestamp>1266508860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Prey from <a href="http://preyproject.com/" title="preyproject.com" rel="nofollow">http://preyproject.com/</a> [preyproject.com] to track my computers in case they are stolen.</p><p>Does anyone know of a better product? </p><p>I'd like to put a similiar product on my iPhone.  Any suggestions?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Prey from http : //preyproject.com/ [ preyproject.com ] to track my computers in case they are stolen.Does anyone know of a better product ?
I 'd like to put a similiar product on my iPhone .
Any suggestions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Prey from http://preyproject.com/ [preyproject.com] to track my computers in case they are stolen.Does anyone know of a better product?
I'd like to put a similiar product on my iPhone.
Any suggestions?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193350</id>
	<title>consent</title>
	<author>KingPin27</author>
	<datestamp>1266498120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does the agreement look like that the students / parents signed when the devices were loaned?  Is there any fine print about monitoring the device for safety or that there are measures in place to check on the safety of the device etc etc etc.... not to undermine the seriousness of the situation as i'd be seriously peeved if someone had turned on the webcam / microphone etc on my kids loaner laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does the agreement look like that the students / parents signed when the devices were loaned ?
Is there any fine print about monitoring the device for safety or that there are measures in place to check on the safety of the device etc etc etc.... not to undermine the seriousness of the situation as i 'd be seriously peeved if someone had turned on the webcam / microphone etc on my kids loaner laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does the agreement look like that the students / parents signed when the devices were loaned?
Is there any fine print about monitoring the device for safety or that there are measures in place to check on the safety of the device etc etc etc.... not to undermine the seriousness of the situation as i'd be seriously peeved if someone had turned on the webcam / microphone etc on my kids loaner laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188724</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>Bogtha</author>
	<datestamp>1266524520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Boingboing (who I see no reason to visit) is probably quoting or otherwise parroting the AP.</i> </p></div> </blockquote><p>
If you didn't visit, then why are you guessing at the contents of the link and criticising them for your imagined contents?  You seem to have an axe to grind.
</p><p>
The BoingBoing article has commentary beyond simple reporting of the facts, which you may or may not appreciate, but it isn't simply parroting the AP.  More importantly, it has a link to the class action complaint itself, which the AP article and the "highly respected news sites" do not.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boingboing ( who I see no reason to visit ) is probably quoting or otherwise parroting the AP .
If you did n't visit , then why are you guessing at the contents of the link and criticising them for your imagined contents ?
You seem to have an axe to grind .
The BoingBoing article has commentary beyond simple reporting of the facts , which you may or may not appreciate , but it is n't simply parroting the AP .
More importantly , it has a link to the class action complaint itself , which the AP article and the " highly respected news sites " do not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Boingboing (who I see no reason to visit) is probably quoting or otherwise parroting the AP.
If you didn't visit, then why are you guessing at the contents of the link and criticising them for your imagined contents?
You seem to have an axe to grind.
The BoingBoing article has commentary beyond simple reporting of the facts, which you may or may not appreciate, but it isn't simply parroting the AP.
More importantly, it has a link to the class action complaint itself, which the AP article and the "highly respected news sites" do not.

	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190396</id>
	<title>gift horses</title>
	<author>bugi</author>
	<datestamp>1266485880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why one thoroughly examines a gift horse before rejecting it as more trouble than it's worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why one thoroughly examines a gift horse before rejecting it as more trouble than it 's worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why one thoroughly examines a gift horse before rejecting it as more trouble than it's worth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188334</id>
	<title>What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the most disturbing things in this story is that the school deemed "inappropriate behavior" of the student. I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.

What on earth could a school say about MY child that would be considered inappropriate behaviour? Drinking? No, sorry, covered by privacy rights. The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment. The inappropriateness of anything in the home would be determined by the parent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the most disturbing things in this story is that the school deemed " inappropriate behavior " of the student .
I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is .
What on earth could a school say about MY child that would be considered inappropriate behaviour ?
Drinking ? No , sorry , covered by privacy rights .
The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment .
The inappropriateness of anything in the home would be determined by the parent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the most disturbing things in this story is that the school deemed "inappropriate behavior" of the student.
I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.
What on earth could a school say about MY child that would be considered inappropriate behaviour?
Drinking? No, sorry, covered by privacy rights.
The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment.
The inappropriateness of anything in the home would be determined by the parent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189506</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1266526620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like, this is what you get for not formatting it as soon as you get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like , this is what you get for not formatting it as soon as you get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like, this is what you get for not formatting it as soon as you get it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188150</id>
	<title>Tape</title>
	<author>mano.m</author>
	<datestamp>1266522900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Solves all problems. At least the ones that WD-40 can't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Solves all problems .
At least the ones that WD-40 ca n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Solves all problems.
At least the ones that WD-40 can't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188824</id>
	<title>Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>TrippTDF</author>
	<datestamp>1266524880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>PBS's Frontline had an interesting episode earlier this month - <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/?utm\_campaign=homepage&amp;utm\_medium=proglist&amp;utm\_source=proglist" title="pbs.org">"Digital Nation"</a> [pbs.org] there's a section where a school official is remotely watching what kids are doing from a laptop, and showing a reporter how he does it... it's all inside the confines of the school, but it still scared me.<br> <br>

At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PBS 's Frontline had an interesting episode earlier this month - " Digital Nation " [ pbs.org ] there 's a section where a school official is remotely watching what kids are doing from a laptop , and showing a reporter how he does it... it 's all inside the confines of the school , but it still scared me .
At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PBS's Frontline had an interesting episode earlier this month - "Digital Nation" [pbs.org] there's a section where a school official is remotely watching what kids are doing from a laptop, and showing a reporter how he does it... it's all inside the confines of the school, but it still scared me.
At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189902</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1266484620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school officials here are completely insane.</p></div><p>The answer? Private school. The public school teachers and administrators don't give a shit about parents. Why should they? They can treat you like crap and they will not be fired. The only answer to this is to pay out of pocket for your childrens' education with after tax dollars. At private school they take care of their customers (i.e. the parents) and don't create hassles. You have a problem? The private school wants to hear about it and will go out of their way to fix it because you are paying them cash money and money talks.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school officials here are completely insane.The answer ?
Private school .
The public school teachers and administrators do n't give a shit about parents .
Why should they ?
They can treat you like crap and they will not be fired .
The only answer to this is to pay out of pocket for your childrens ' education with after tax dollars .
At private school they take care of their customers ( i.e .
the parents ) and do n't create hassles .
You have a problem ?
The private school wants to hear about it and will go out of their way to fix it because you are paying them cash money and money talks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school officials here are completely insane.The answer?
Private school.
The public school teachers and administrators don't give a shit about parents.
Why should they?
They can treat you like crap and they will not be fired.
The only answer to this is to pay out of pocket for your childrens' education with after tax dollars.
At private school they take care of their customers (i.e.
the parents) and don't create hassles.
You have a problem?
The private school wants to hear about it and will go out of their way to fix it because you are paying them cash money and money talks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189952</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1266484740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</i> <br> <br>
They might be able to successfully use the defence of the student involved got the wrong end of the stick and they did not and do not have the ability to do what was claimed in the lawsuit.  I mean this may or may not be the case but we don't know al the facts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked They might be able to successfully use the defence of the student involved got the wrong end of the stick and they did not and do not have the ability to do what was claimed in the lawsuit .
I mean this may or may not be the case but we do n't know al the facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked  
They might be able to successfully use the defence of the student involved got the wrong end of the stick and they did not and do not have the ability to do what was claimed in the lawsuit.
I mean this may or may not be the case but we don't know al the facts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188678</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately there's no change without a body count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately there 's no change without a body count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately there's no change without a body count.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188770</id>
	<title>Re:I hate this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well you could always steal an airplane and...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well you could always steal an airplane and.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well you could always steal an airplane and...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31244366</id>
	<title>Re:Who set it up?</title>
	<author>poofmeisterp</author>
	<datestamp>1266939900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logic is so simple and easy to follow.  You're right on.</p><p>Sometimes people are scared by the possible discoveries of "what really happens in life" when they use logic to analyze it.  Therefore, we must simply play the game of LALALALALANothingHappenedEverything'sOkayLALALALA.</p><p>Gawd. *sigh*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logic is so simple and easy to follow .
You 're right on.Sometimes people are scared by the possible discoveries of " what really happens in life " when they use logic to analyze it .
Therefore , we must simply play the game of LALALALALANothingHappenedEverything'sOkayLALALALA.Gawd .
* sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logic is so simple and easy to follow.
You're right on.Sometimes people are scared by the possible discoveries of "what really happens in life" when they use logic to analyze it.
Therefore, we must simply play the game of LALALALALANothingHappenedEverything'sOkayLALALALA.Gawd.
*sigh*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190296</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>lgw</author>
	<datestamp>1266485640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But yeah, government is evil. So keep calling for the government to press criminal charges. And after driving them from government courts in government vehicles over government roads to a government prison, lock the government door and throw away the government key.</p></div><p>I'd like to think those were the people's courts, the people's roads, the people's vehicles, etc.  We simple hire the government to perform services, and should be outraged when they overstep that role.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But yeah , government is evil .
So keep calling for the government to press criminal charges .
And after driving them from government courts in government vehicles over government roads to a government prison , lock the government door and throw away the government key.I 'd like to think those were the people 's courts , the people 's roads , the people 's vehicles , etc .
We simple hire the government to perform services , and should be outraged when they overstep that role .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But yeah, government is evil.
So keep calling for the government to press criminal charges.
And after driving them from government courts in government vehicles over government roads to a government prison, lock the government door and throw away the government key.I'd like to think those were the people's courts, the people's roads, the people's vehicles, etc.
We simple hire the government to perform services, and should be outraged when they overstep that role.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188716</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect it's because BoingBoing scooped everyone else on this one yesterday.  There were blogs for pennsylvania city papers (like http://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/tag/big-brother/) that were citing BoingBoing as the source.  BoingBoing didn't link to a news article, they linked to the court documentation.  If you look at all of those links from Google, none of them have a timestamp earlier than the BoingBoing post either.  I suspect this wasn't on the paper's radars until BB posted it in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect it 's because BoingBoing scooped everyone else on this one yesterday .
There were blogs for pennsylvania city papers ( like http : //citypaper.net/blogs/clog/tag/big-brother/ ) that were citing BoingBoing as the source .
BoingBoing did n't link to a news article , they linked to the court documentation .
If you look at all of those links from Google , none of them have a timestamp earlier than the BoingBoing post either .
I suspect this was n't on the paper 's radars until BB posted it in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect it's because BoingBoing scooped everyone else on this one yesterday.
There were blogs for pennsylvania city papers (like http://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/tag/big-brother/) that were citing BoingBoing as the source.
BoingBoing didn't link to a news article, they linked to the court documentation.
If you look at all of those links from Google, none of them have a timestamp earlier than the BoingBoing post either.
I suspect this wasn't on the paper's radars until BB posted it in the first place.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192902</id>
	<title>OMFG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266495900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still in a state of shock and disbelife that any school would have the audacity to even think of such things.</p><p>Obviously whoever thought of this needs to be fired, sued into oblivion and made somebodies "buddy" in the state penn.</p><p>We need to lobby congress to pass blanket laws requiring indicator lights hard wired (NOT under software control) on activation of all cameras and mics on mobile devices.</p><p>If my teachers showed me pictures of myself in my home whatever offence I was committing would pale in comparision with the obsenity laden tirade that would follow.</p><p>Its fairly safe to say this will get national attention and heads will roll.  The class action lawsuit is just the tip of the iceburg.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still in a state of shock and disbelife that any school would have the audacity to even think of such things.Obviously whoever thought of this needs to be fired , sued into oblivion and made somebodies " buddy " in the state penn.We need to lobby congress to pass blanket laws requiring indicator lights hard wired ( NOT under software control ) on activation of all cameras and mics on mobile devices.If my teachers showed me pictures of myself in my home whatever offence I was committing would pale in comparision with the obsenity laden tirade that would follow.Its fairly safe to say this will get national attention and heads will roll .
The class action lawsuit is just the tip of the iceburg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still in a state of shock and disbelife that any school would have the audacity to even think of such things.Obviously whoever thought of this needs to be fired, sued into oblivion and made somebodies "buddy" in the state penn.We need to lobby congress to pass blanket laws requiring indicator lights hard wired (NOT under software control) on activation of all cameras and mics on mobile devices.If my teachers showed me pictures of myself in my home whatever offence I was committing would pale in comparision with the obsenity laden tirade that would follow.Its fairly safe to say this will get national attention and heads will roll.
The class action lawsuit is just the tip of the iceburg.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191902</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1266490920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before you continue your anti-government rant, answer this question: Are you saying that this wouldn't happen at a private school?</p><p>Because you can bet your pounded ass that power trips have nothing to do with the federal government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you continue your anti-government rant , answer this question : Are you saying that this would n't happen at a private school ? Because you can bet your pounded ass that power trips have nothing to do with the federal government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you continue your anti-government rant, answer this question: Are you saying that this wouldn't happen at a private school?Because you can bet your pounded ass that power trips have nothing to do with the federal government.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189326</id>
	<title>What software?</title>
	<author>spurioustruth</author>
	<datestamp>1266526260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do not see anything in the complaint about what software (or in a more general sense: HOW) the school administrators were able to remotely take control of the webcams.
<br>
Does anybody out there have any idea what was used for this purpose? Or has anybody gotten to place hands on one of these laptops to take a look at what was loaded?
<br>
And would it have been possible for someone knowledgeable to find and defeat this software as part of a normal computer cleanup process?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not see anything in the complaint about what software ( or in a more general sense : HOW ) the school administrators were able to remotely take control of the webcams .
Does anybody out there have any idea what was used for this purpose ?
Or has anybody gotten to place hands on one of these laptops to take a look at what was loaded ?
And would it have been possible for someone knowledgeable to find and defeat this software as part of a normal computer cleanup process ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not see anything in the complaint about what software (or in a more general sense: HOW) the school administrators were able to remotely take control of the webcams.
Does anybody out there have any idea what was used for this purpose?
Or has anybody gotten to place hands on one of these laptops to take a look at what was loaded?
And would it have been possible for someone knowledgeable to find and defeat this software as part of a normal computer cleanup process?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189050</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all their family members.<br>That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</p></div><p>Yeah but it really comes down to that the citizens of that district are on the hook for any payouts.  The town will just raise taxes or reduce services to cover the payout.  So in effect the parents are suing themselves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bonus : Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students , but all their family members.That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedYeah but it really comes down to that the citizens of that district are on the hook for any payouts .
The town will just raise taxes or reduce services to cover the payout .
So in effect the parents are suing themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all their family members.That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedYeah but it really comes down to that the citizens of that district are on the hook for any payouts.
The town will just raise taxes or reduce services to cover the payout.
So in effect the parents are suing themselves.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188662</id>
	<title>No foresight?</title>
	<author>NetNed</author>
	<datestamp>1266524340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WOW who was the idiot that didn't see any possible legal ramifications in doing this? In a public school no less.

<br> <br>If I didn't RTFA I would have said "dam private school"!</htmltext>
<tokenext>WOW who was the idiot that did n't see any possible legal ramifications in doing this ?
In a public school no less .
If I did n't RTFA I would have said " dam private school " !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WOW who was the idiot that didn't see any possible legal ramifications in doing this?
In a public school no less.
If I didn't RTFA I would have said "dam private school"!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189594</id>
	<title>Who set it up?</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1266483660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, I've seen contact information for everyone from the Janitor to the President of the Board but what I want is contact information for the G.i.C. (Geek in Chief). SOMEONE implemented this technology for the district, maintained it, and even trained the Pointy Haired Administrators on how to use it. That means that at least one person, more likely a team, of I.T. people were involved in this at all stages.</p><p>I'd like to ask these people why they never saw fit to let anyone know what was happening? Did they think it was a good idea? Were they scared for their job or contract? Were they just so ecstatic at the idea of a digital girls locker room that they willingly participated?</p><p>It's disturbing to me, as an I.T. Professional, that the I.T. people involved weren't waving red flags left, right, and center. They should have informed \_someone\_ that this capability was not only implemented but was actively being USED.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I 've seen contact information for everyone from the Janitor to the President of the Board but what I want is contact information for the G.i.C .
( Geek in Chief ) .
SOMEONE implemented this technology for the district , maintained it , and even trained the Pointy Haired Administrators on how to use it .
That means that at least one person , more likely a team , of I.T .
people were involved in this at all stages.I 'd like to ask these people why they never saw fit to let anyone know what was happening ?
Did they think it was a good idea ?
Were they scared for their job or contract ?
Were they just so ecstatic at the idea of a digital girls locker room that they willingly participated ? It 's disturbing to me , as an I.T .
Professional , that the I.T .
people involved were n't waving red flags left , right , and center .
They should have informed \ _someone \ _ that this capability was not only implemented but was actively being USED .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I've seen contact information for everyone from the Janitor to the President of the Board but what I want is contact information for the G.i.C.
(Geek in Chief).
SOMEONE implemented this technology for the district, maintained it, and even trained the Pointy Haired Administrators on how to use it.
That means that at least one person, more likely a team, of I.T.
people were involved in this at all stages.I'd like to ask these people why they never saw fit to let anyone know what was happening?
Did they think it was a good idea?
Were they scared for their job or contract?
Were they just so ecstatic at the idea of a digital girls locker room that they willingly participated?It's disturbing to me, as an I.T.
Professional, that the I.T.
people involved weren't waving red flags left, right, and center.
They should have informed \_someone\_ that this capability was not only implemented but was actively being USED.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188412</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1266523560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's wrong with boingboing's coverage of it? Seems like a perfectly good article to me. Ars even links to the boingboing one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's wrong with boingboing 's coverage of it ?
Seems like a perfectly good article to me .
Ars even links to the boingboing one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's wrong with boingboing's coverage of it?
Seems like a perfectly good article to me.
Ars even links to the boingboing one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192844</id>
	<title>I am a PhD student in Computer Science</title>
	<author>l0l0\_ph0r3v3r</author>
	<datestamp>1266495660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>from University of Chicago. I am introducing you guys a new type of thinking.

Being raised and born in India, WE are proud of our culture and our race!</htmltext>
<tokenext>from University of Chicago .
I am introducing you guys a new type of thinking .
Being raised and born in India , WE are proud of our culture and our race !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from University of Chicago.
I am introducing you guys a new type of thinking.
Being raised and born in India, WE are proud of our culture and our race!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195206</id>
	<title>Re:This story has not been confirmed</title>
	<author>BLKMGK</author>
	<datestamp>1266509880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137</a> [lmsd.org]</p><p>Look harder?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php ? m = 0&amp;t = today&amp;p = lmsd \ _anno&amp;id = 1137 [ lmsd.org ] Look harder ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137 [lmsd.org]Look harder?
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193050</id>
	<title>LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation</title>
	<author>detritus.</author>
	<datestamp>1266496500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The school district has responded to the allegations in this <a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?m=&amp;t=lmhs&amp;p=lmhs\_today\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org">press release</a> [lmsd.org].</p><p>LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation<br>Updated 2/18/10 5:26 PM</p><p>Dear LMSD Community,<br>Last year, our district became one of the first school systems in the United States to provide laptop computers to all high school students. This initiative has been well received and has provided educational benefits to our students.<br>The District is dedicated to protecting and promoting student privacy. The laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops. This feature has been deactivated effective today.<br>The following questions and answers help explain the background behind the initial decision to install the tracking-security feature, its limited use, and next steps.<br>
&nbsp; Why are webcams installed on student laptops?<br>The Apple computers that the District provides to students come equipped with webcams and students are free to utilize this feature for educational purposes.<br>
&nbsp; Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed?<br>Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property. The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.<br>
&nbsp; How did the security feature work?<br>Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments. The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.</p><p>
&nbsp; Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature?<br>Not without express written notification to all students and families.<br>We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families. We are reviewing the matter and will provide an additional update as soon as information becomes available.<br>Sincerely,<br>Dr. Christopher McGinley<br>Superintendent</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The school district has responded to the allegations in this press release [ lmsd.org ] .LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy ' allegationUpdated 2/18/10 5 : 26 PMDear LMSD Community,Last year , our district became one of the first school systems in the United States to provide laptop computers to all high school students .
This initiative has been well received and has provided educational benefits to our students.The District is dedicated to protecting and promoting student privacy .
The laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost , stolen and missing laptops .
This feature has been deactivated effective today.The following questions and answers help explain the background behind the initial decision to install the tracking-security feature , its limited use , and next steps .
  Why are webcams installed on student laptops ? The Apple computers that the District provides to students come equipped with webcams and students are free to utilize this feature for educational purposes .
  Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed ? Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property .
The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost , missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student .
  How did the security feature work ? Upon a report of a suspected lost , stolen or missing laptop , the feature was activated by the District 's security and technology departments .
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator 's screen .
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost , stolen or missing laptop .
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever .
  Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature ? Not without express written notification to all students and families.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families .
We are reviewing the matter and will provide an additional update as soon as information becomes available.Sincerely,Dr .
Christopher McGinleySuperintendent</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school district has responded to the allegations in this press release [lmsd.org].LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegationUpdated 2/18/10 5:26 PMDear LMSD Community,Last year, our district became one of the first school systems in the United States to provide laptop computers to all high school students.
This initiative has been well received and has provided educational benefits to our students.The District is dedicated to protecting and promoting student privacy.
The laptops do contain a security feature intended to track lost, stolen and missing laptops.
This feature has been deactivated effective today.The following questions and answers help explain the background behind the initial decision to install the tracking-security feature, its limited use, and next steps.
  Why are webcams installed on student laptops?The Apple computers that the District provides to students come equipped with webcams and students are free to utilize this feature for educational purposes.
  Why was the remote tracking-security feature installed?Laptops are a frequent target for theft in schools and off school property.
The security feature was installed to help locate a laptop in the event it was reported lost, missing or stolen so that the laptop could be returned to the student.
  How did the security feature work?Upon a report of a suspected lost, stolen or missing laptop, the feature was activated by the District's security and technology departments.
The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen.
This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop.
The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever.
  Do you anticipate reactivating the tracking-security feature?Not without express written notification to all students and families.We regret if this situation has caused any concern or inconvenience among our students and families.
We are reviewing the matter and will provide an additional update as soon as information becomes available.Sincerely,Dr.
Christopher McGinleySuperintendent</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188988</id>
	<title>bet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much you want to bet that it also logged sites visited and key strokes to find out what the student published on those sites?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much you want to bet that it also logged sites visited and key strokes to find out what the student published on those sites ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much you want to bet that it also logged sites visited and key strokes to find out what the student published on those sites?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191950</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>jitterman</author>
	<datestamp>1266491040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The lawyers have made provisions for this eventuality in their filing.  The footer on page 16 states: <p><div class="quote"><p>Should discovery disclose that Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography within the meaning of 18 Pa. C.S.A. 6312, et. seq., Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The lawyers have made provisions for this eventuality in their filing .
The footer on page 16 states : Should discovery disclose that Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography within the meaning of 18 Pa. C.S.A. 6312 , et .
seq. , Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lawyers have made provisions for this eventuality in their filing.
The footer on page 16 states: Should discovery disclose that Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography within the meaning of 18 Pa. C.S.A. 6312, et.
seq., Plaintiffs will amend this Complaint to assert a cause of action thereunder.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190182</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Nothing2Chere</author>
	<datestamp>1266485340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right they'd be Fcuked if this thing every actually gets a trial.
<br>
What'll probably happen is that the greater portion of the image evidence will be suppressed under some claim that there is no way to determine where the image was taken.
<br>
Then, when there's only testimonial evidence the lawyers will cut a deal with the school system (and each other) to settle before going to trial.
<br>
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm a cynic.
<br> <br>
N2C</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right they 'd be Fcuked if this thing every actually gets a trial .
What 'll probably happen is that the greater portion of the image evidence will be suppressed under some claim that there is no way to determine where the image was taken .
Then , when there 's only testimonial evidence the lawyers will cut a deal with the school system ( and each other ) to settle before going to trial .
I hope I 'm wrong , but I 'm a cynic .
N2C</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right they'd be Fcuked if this thing every actually gets a trial.
What'll probably happen is that the greater portion of the image evidence will be suppressed under some claim that there is no way to determine where the image was taken.
Then, when there's only testimonial evidence the lawyers will cut a deal with the school system (and each other) to settle before going to trial.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm a cynic.
N2C</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192550</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266494160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost certainly some kid was skinning up on the keyboard. The grooves between the keys are perfect for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost certainly some kid was skinning up on the keyboard .
The grooves between the keys are perfect for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost certainly some kid was skinning up on the keyboard.
The grooves between the keys are perfect for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190356</id>
	<title>Tip of the Iceberg?</title>
	<author>boudie2</author>
	<datestamp>1266485760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If some high school in Pennsylvania is doing this it seems to logically follow that they can't be the only ones doing this.
It would also seem to me that if Dick Cheney thought that spying on american citizens was a good idea, and you
like Dick, you would think this was a good idea. Where's it all leading, I ask?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If some high school in Pennsylvania is doing this it seems to logically follow that they ca n't be the only ones doing this .
It would also seem to me that if Dick Cheney thought that spying on american citizens was a good idea , and you like Dick , you would think this was a good idea .
Where 's it all leading , I ask ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If some high school in Pennsylvania is doing this it seems to logically follow that they can't be the only ones doing this.
It would also seem to me that if Dick Cheney thought that spying on american citizens was a good idea, and you
like Dick, you would think this was a good idea.
Where's it all leading, I ask?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188340</id>
	<title>Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government, you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...</p><p>It's shocking, given the general lack of tech competence by school bureaucrat types that they did this and thought they could get away with it.  And why aren't there criminal charges?  This isn't any different than them putting cameras (potentially) in the bathrooms of minors for the purposes of procuring child pornography.</p><p>This goes far beyond stupid school administrators, this is a blatant case of GOVERNMENT actors out of control, willfully violating the Constitution (and scores of other laws) and they need to be punished.  Not just fired, everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a "pound me in the ass" prison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why you do n't want " free " computers from the government , you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...It 's shocking , given the general lack of tech competence by school bureaucrat types that they did this and thought they could get away with it .
And why are n't there criminal charges ?
This is n't any different than them putting cameras ( potentially ) in the bathrooms of minors for the purposes of procuring child pornography.This goes far beyond stupid school administrators , this is a blatant case of GOVERNMENT actors out of control , willfully violating the Constitution ( and scores of other laws ) and they need to be punished .
Not just fired , everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a " pound me in the ass " prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government, you want the government to NOT take that money away from you to begin with so you can buy your own computer...It's shocking, given the general lack of tech competence by school bureaucrat types that they did this and thought they could get away with it.
And why aren't there criminal charges?
This isn't any different than them putting cameras (potentially) in the bathrooms of minors for the purposes of procuring child pornography.This goes far beyond stupid school administrators, this is a blatant case of GOVERNMENT actors out of control, willfully violating the Constitution (and scores of other laws) and they need to be punished.
Not just fired, everyone responsible for this need to spend some quality time in a "pound me in the ass" prison.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188652</id>
	<title>If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>istvaan</author>
	<datestamp>1266524280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...it's actually quite interesting.  I have a feeling that the folks who are looking to see child porn charges pressed might actually get their way.  According to the filing, "...it is believed and therefore averred that many of the images captured and intercepted may consist of images of minors and their parents or friends in compromising or embarrassing positions, including, but not limited to, in various stages of dress or undress."</p><p>Seriously, what could have made the school district think that this was, in any way, a good idea?  The district itself, the school board, and the superintendent are all listed as defendants.  This could be really, really interesting...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's actually quite interesting .
I have a feeling that the folks who are looking to see child porn charges pressed might actually get their way .
According to the filing , " ...it is believed and therefore averred that many of the images captured and intercepted may consist of images of minors and their parents or friends in compromising or embarrassing positions , including , but not limited to , in various stages of dress or undress .
" Seriously , what could have made the school district think that this was , in any way , a good idea ?
The district itself , the school board , and the superintendent are all listed as defendants .
This could be really , really interesting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's actually quite interesting.
I have a feeling that the folks who are looking to see child porn charges pressed might actually get their way.
According to the filing, "...it is believed and therefore averred that many of the images captured and intercepted may consist of images of minors and their parents or friends in compromising or embarrassing positions, including, but not limited to, in various stages of dress or undress.
"Seriously, what could have made the school district think that this was, in any way, a good idea?
The district itself, the school board, and the superintendent are all listed as defendants.
This could be really, really interesting...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190270</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>bugi</author>
	<datestamp>1266485580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anarchy leads to *tyranny*, dominance through violence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anarchy leads to * tyranny * , dominance through violence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anarchy leads to *tyranny*, dominance through violence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188232</id>
	<title>Es-ca-pe</title>
	<author>G2GAlone</author>
	<datestamp>1266523080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How did they think would get away with that? It's one thing if they detected the laptop was on the school's Wifi and then they can activate the webcam then. Still a privacy issue but at least it's within their grounds. If everything was recorded I would have to assume that one of the adults watching saw what could be considered "kiddie-porn". This isn't going to end well for the school I'm sure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How did they think would get away with that ?
It 's one thing if they detected the laptop was on the school 's Wifi and then they can activate the webcam then .
Still a privacy issue but at least it 's within their grounds .
If everything was recorded I would have to assume that one of the adults watching saw what could be considered " kiddie-porn " .
This is n't going to end well for the school I 'm sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did they think would get away with that?
It's one thing if they detected the laptop was on the school's Wifi and then they can activate the webcam then.
Still a privacy issue but at least it's within their grounds.
If everything was recorded I would have to assume that one of the adults watching saw what could be considered "kiddie-porn".
This isn't going to end well for the school I'm sure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189698</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1266483960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the plus side: This is a clear sign of what is inappropriate or acceptable behavior... for a school administration! ^^</p><p>[I hope it&rsquo;s only the start of other parents demanding their rights too (to not have their children indoctrinated into being slaves who blindly accept everything as if it were $deity-given).]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the plus side : This is a clear sign of what is inappropriate or acceptable behavior... for a school administration !
^ ^ [ I hope it    s only the start of other parents demanding their rights too ( to not have their children indoctrinated into being slaves who blindly accept everything as if it were $ deity-given ) .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the plus side: This is a clear sign of what is inappropriate or acceptable behavior... for a school administration!
^^[I hope it’s only the start of other parents demanding their rights too (to not have their children indoctrinated into being slaves who blindly accept everything as if it were $deity-given).
]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188588</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190362</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1266485760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>WTF is "improper behavior in the home"</p> </div><p>Using your dessert fork to eat steak, not pulling a seat out for a lady, eating with your mouth open. That kind of thing. Just what the hell is wrong with you barbarians that you don't know this stuff?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF is " improper behavior in the home " Using your dessert fork to eat steak , not pulling a seat out for a lady , eating with your mouth open .
That kind of thing .
Just what the hell is wrong with you barbarians that you do n't know this stuff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF is "improper behavior in the home" Using your dessert fork to eat steak, not pulling a seat out for a lady, eating with your mouth open.
That kind of thing.
Just what the hell is wrong with you barbarians that you don't know this stuff?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188268</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191166</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>bdwlangm</author>
	<datestamp>1266488160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Monitoring a person, their family, friends and the place they live is not the same as monitoring the computer. Giving someone permission to monitor my computer usage does not imply permission to monitor anything else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Monitoring a person , their family , friends and the place they live is not the same as monitoring the computer .
Giving someone permission to monitor my computer usage does not imply permission to monitor anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monitoring a person, their family, friends and the place they live is not the same as monitoring the computer.
Giving someone permission to monitor my computer usage does not imply permission to monitor anything else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191534</id>
	<title>filing not filling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266489480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nt ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nt;</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188332</id>
	<title>Boundaries Exceeded</title>
	<author>areusche</author>
	<datestamp>1266523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone over stepped his boundaries, whether it is an administrative or some low level tech. Either way there will be heads rolling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone over stepped his boundaries , whether it is an administrative or some low level tech .
Either way there will be heads rolling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone over stepped his boundaries, whether it is an administrative or some low level tech.
Either way there will be heads rolling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188774</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are poor enough to need a computer from the government, the government already doesn't take away enough from you to affect anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are poor enough to need a computer from the government , the government already does n't take away enough from you to affect anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are poor enough to need a computer from the government, the government already doesn't take away enough from you to affect anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188340</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188938</id>
	<title>Great, now I want to know how they did it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to their <a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/schools/default.php?t=hhs&amp;p=hhs\_today\_anno&amp;menu=hhs\_today&amp;start\_id=35&amp;id=1003" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">news website</a> [lmsd.org] (considering upgrading to OS X 10.6) and the <a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/about/depart/tech/default.php?m=&amp;t=departments&amp;p=depart\_tech\_1to1\_laptop" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">list of compatible programs</a> [lmsd.org], it is/was Macbooks running OS X 10.5...hey, at least it had a real security model so the only way to be rooted is, uh, by root...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to their news website [ lmsd.org ] ( considering upgrading to OS X 10.6 ) and the list of compatible programs [ lmsd.org ] , it is/was Macbooks running OS X 10.5...hey , at least it had a real security model so the only way to be rooted is , uh , by root.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to their news website [lmsd.org] (considering upgrading to OS X 10.6) and the list of compatible programs [lmsd.org], it is/was Macbooks running OS X 10.5...hey, at least it had a real security model so the only way to be rooted is, uh, by root...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192236</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>BitterOak</author>
	<datestamp>1266492600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No mention of what the picture was, but if it was something involving nudity then... wouldn't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography?</p></div><p>Only if the school officials were complicit in the students' "activities".  Otherwise, any store or institution that has surveillance cameras that record would be liable for criminal prosecution if someone underage does something "inappropriate" in front of a camera.  The University where I work has surveillance cameras all over campus, including many outdoor areas such as parking lots.  If a couple of high school students decide to "do it" in the bushes one night and it is picked up by a camera, are the campus police guilty of production and possession of child pornography?  (They would be if they made copies to take home and give to their friends, but there's no evidence the school district here did that.)</p><p>I'm not saying the school district isn't guilty of anything here, I'm just sick of child pornography being used as a catch-all law.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No mention of what the picture was , but if it was something involving nudity then... would n't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography ? Only if the school officials were complicit in the students ' " activities " .
Otherwise , any store or institution that has surveillance cameras that record would be liable for criminal prosecution if someone underage does something " inappropriate " in front of a camera .
The University where I work has surveillance cameras all over campus , including many outdoor areas such as parking lots .
If a couple of high school students decide to " do it " in the bushes one night and it is picked up by a camera , are the campus police guilty of production and possession of child pornography ?
( They would be if they made copies to take home and give to their friends , but there 's no evidence the school district here did that .
) I 'm not saying the school district is n't guilty of anything here , I 'm just sick of child pornography being used as a catch-all law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No mention of what the picture was, but if it was something involving nudity then... wouldn't a better course of action be to sue the school district for being in possession of child pornography?Only if the school officials were complicit in the students' "activities".
Otherwise, any store or institution that has surveillance cameras that record would be liable for criminal prosecution if someone underage does something "inappropriate" in front of a camera.
The University where I work has surveillance cameras all over campus, including many outdoor areas such as parking lots.
If a couple of high school students decide to "do it" in the bushes one night and it is picked up by a camera, are the campus police guilty of production and possession of child pornography?
(They would be if they made copies to take home and give to their friends, but there's no evidence the school district here did that.
)I'm not saying the school district isn't guilty of anything here, I'm just sick of child pornography being used as a catch-all law.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189934</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189666</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266483900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd be happy to get a free computer. The first thing I'd do is nuke it from orbit (DBAN) and install Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be happy to get a free computer .
The first thing I 'd do is nuke it from orbit ( DBAN ) and install Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be happy to get a free computer.
The first thing I'd do is nuke it from orbit (DBAN) and install Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188340</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189494</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>Derekloffin</author>
	<datestamp>1266526620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder that myself.  Short of something criminal, which the School should not be involved in punishing, what exactly could the school possibly have authority over in a person's home?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder that myself .
Short of something criminal , which the School should not be involved in punishing , what exactly could the school possibly have authority over in a person 's home ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder that myself.
Short of something criminal, which the School should not be involved in punishing, what exactly could the school possibly have authority over in a person's home?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189558</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266483600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Due to the surprised discovery by one of those students and the huge negative reaction by him and the parents it's most probably that the school did NOT make their surveillance or policies clear.</p><p>I also believe that the schools controls and rights end once the student is no longer on school property.</p><p>Besides, you can be sure there is only one password for all the machines, and the local pedos will have that soon, if not already...<br>Heck, these things are internet enabled, pedos worldwide!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Due to the surprised discovery by one of those students and the huge negative reaction by him and the parents it 's most probably that the school did NOT make their surveillance or policies clear.I also believe that the schools controls and rights end once the student is no longer on school property.Besides , you can be sure there is only one password for all the machines , and the local pedos will have that soon , if not already...Heck , these things are internet enabled , pedos worldwide !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Due to the surprised discovery by one of those students and the huge negative reaction by him and the parents it's most probably that the school did NOT make their surveillance or policies clear.I also believe that the schools controls and rights end once the student is no longer on school property.Besides, you can be sure there is only one password for all the machines, and the local pedos will have that soon, if not already...Heck, these things are internet enabled, pedos worldwide!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188974</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188670</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>lgw</author>
	<datestamp>1266524340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <i>only</i> thing I could think of would be inappropriate use of the school-issued laptop, and that's the one thing the laptop's web cam couldn't see!  What's sacry is there there are people (across the political spectrum) who would <i>support</i> the idea that the government would spy on your kids to make sure they never do anything naughty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing I could think of would be inappropriate use of the school-issued laptop , and that 's the one thing the laptop 's web cam could n't see !
What 's sacry is there there are people ( across the political spectrum ) who would support the idea that the government would spy on your kids to make sure they never do anything naughty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing I could think of would be inappropriate use of the school-issued laptop, and that's the one thing the laptop's web cam couldn't see!
What's sacry is there there are people (across the political spectrum) who would support the idea that the government would spy on your kids to make sure they never do anything naughty.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188334</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189428</id>
	<title>A Teachable Moment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266526500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. stand in front of webcam nude</p><p>2. have school official arrested for creating and possessiong child pornography</p><p>3. teach schools officlas to stop this crap</p><p>
"zero tolerance" is just another way of saying "zero intelligence"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1. stand in front of webcam nude2 .
have school official arrested for creating and possessiong child pornography3 .
teach schools officlas to stop this crap " zero tolerance " is just another way of saying " zero intelligence "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. stand in front of webcam nude2.
have school official arrested for creating and possessiong child pornography3.
teach schools officlas to stop this crap
"zero tolerance" is just another way of saying "zero intelligence"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194318</id>
	<title>LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation</title>
	<author>Trazn</author>
	<datestamp>1266504300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Decided to check LMSD website, and found that they posted a response to the lawsuit.  It's fairly slick, and the major point they make is that when a laptop is reported missing or stolen, the 'remote tracking-security feature' (probably the webcam?  They make it sound like they could activate a GPS tracker in the laptop)  was used to take a still picture of the user and what the user was looking at.  If the laptops were only leased to the students, and remain "school property", then I could see the implementation of such a safeguard as just preserving school property.  However, if the laptops were given away to students, then it seems a bit weird that they had an anti-theft measure that they never mentioned and it's also unconceivable that they just so happened to turn on the system to find the one person who was written up for improper behavior.

--

<a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137</a> [lmsd.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Decided to check LMSD website , and found that they posted a response to the lawsuit .
It 's fairly slick , and the major point they make is that when a laptop is reported missing or stolen , the 'remote tracking-security feature ' ( probably the webcam ?
They make it sound like they could activate a GPS tracker in the laptop ) was used to take a still picture of the user and what the user was looking at .
If the laptops were only leased to the students , and remain " school property " , then I could see the implementation of such a safeguard as just preserving school property .
However , if the laptops were given away to students , then it seems a bit weird that they had an anti-theft measure that they never mentioned and it 's also unconceivable that they just so happened to turn on the system to find the one person who was written up for improper behavior .
-- http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php ? m = 0&amp;t = today&amp;p = lmsd \ _anno&amp;id = 1137 [ lmsd.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Decided to check LMSD website, and found that they posted a response to the lawsuit.
It's fairly slick, and the major point they make is that when a laptop is reported missing or stolen, the 'remote tracking-security feature' (probably the webcam?
They make it sound like they could activate a GPS tracker in the laptop)  was used to take a still picture of the user and what the user was looking at.
If the laptops were only leased to the students, and remain "school property", then I could see the implementation of such a safeguard as just preserving school property.
However, if the laptops were given away to students, then it seems a bit weird that they had an anti-theft measure that they never mentioned and it's also unconceivable that they just so happened to turn on the system to find the one person who was written up for improper behavior.
--

http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137 [lmsd.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195478</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1266512280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They probably came with a utility pre-installed that's required to access the school stuff the kids were supposed to be using.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They probably came with a utility pre-installed that 's required to access the school stuff the kids were supposed to be using .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They probably came with a utility pre-installed that's required to access the school stuff the kids were supposed to be using.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193952</id>
	<title>Re:convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1266501720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>Strap a camera around their neck</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh that's just great! So you'll get a clear view of everyone/everything in the house but them.</p></div></blockquote><p>No; you missed an important point:  The camera strapped about the official's neck is pointed <b>down</b>.</p><p>And the video stream is online.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Strap a camera around their neckOh that 's just great !
So you 'll get a clear view of everyone/everything in the house but them.No ; you missed an important point : The camera strapped about the official 's neck is pointed down.And the video stream is online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strap a camera around their neckOh that's just great!
So you'll get a clear view of everyone/everything in the house but them.No; you missed an important point:  The camera strapped about the official's neck is pointed down.And the video stream is online.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188898</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31197346</id>
	<title>Re:Should</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1266578940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Further, the cameras/mics could be used to spy on anyone in the house, including adults who are not in any way, shape, or form under the guardianship of the school. So any argument about guardianship is moot.</i></p><p>I'm no lawyer, but as I understand it schools have guardianship of children due to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In\_loco\_parentis" title="wikipedia.org">in loco parentis</a> [wikipedia.org]. While the child is in the care of their actual parents/guardians, the school's responsibilities no longer apply.</p><p>Therefore <b>there is no argument about guardianship</b>, it does not apply while the child is not in the direct care of the school. (Yes of course if the school has reason to believe that a child is being mistreated at home, etc, they should take their concerns to the appropriate authorities, just as anyone else should, but that's nothing to do with guardianship)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Further , the cameras/mics could be used to spy on anyone in the house , including adults who are not in any way , shape , or form under the guardianship of the school .
So any argument about guardianship is moot.I 'm no lawyer , but as I understand it schools have guardianship of children due to in loco parentis [ wikipedia.org ] .
While the child is in the care of their actual parents/guardians , the school 's responsibilities no longer apply.Therefore there is no argument about guardianship , it does not apply while the child is not in the direct care of the school .
( Yes of course if the school has reason to believe that a child is being mistreated at home , etc , they should take their concerns to the appropriate authorities , just as anyone else should , but that 's nothing to do with guardianship )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Further, the cameras/mics could be used to spy on anyone in the house, including adults who are not in any way, shape, or form under the guardianship of the school.
So any argument about guardianship is moot.I'm no lawyer, but as I understand it schools have guardianship of children due to in loco parentis [wikipedia.org].
While the child is in the care of their actual parents/guardians, the school's responsibilities no longer apply.Therefore there is no argument about guardianship, it does not apply while the child is not in the direct care of the school.
(Yes of course if the school has reason to believe that a child is being mistreated at home, etc, they should take their concerns to the appropriate authorities, just as anyone else should, but that's nothing to do with guardianship)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188552</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195026</id>
	<title>They're checking out ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1266508560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... the kids' bedrooms, looking for pedobears.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the kids ' bedrooms , looking for pedobears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the kids' bedrooms, looking for pedobears.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190080</id>
	<title>Re:If you read the filing...</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1266485100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody that spies on children in their own home without their knowledge quite rightly deserves to be classified as a sex offender and forced to register as one for the rest of their lives. And of course, sex offenders should not be allowed employment that brings them into contact with children, which pretty much rules out them working for the school district. If there is any justice, the assholes behind this have just committed career suicide.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody that spies on children in their own home without their knowledge quite rightly deserves to be classified as a sex offender and forced to register as one for the rest of their lives .
And of course , sex offenders should not be allowed employment that brings them into contact with children , which pretty much rules out them working for the school district .
If there is any justice , the assholes behind this have just committed career suicide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody that spies on children in their own home without their knowledge quite rightly deserves to be classified as a sex offender and forced to register as one for the rest of their lives.
And of course, sex offenders should not be allowed employment that brings them into contact with children, which pretty much rules out them working for the school district.
If there is any justice, the assholes behind this have just committed career suicide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188652</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192544</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>nobodyman</author>
	<datestamp>1266494100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's just the thing though, according to the <a href="http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf" title="craphound.com">lawsuit</a> [craphound.com], the school district did not indicate that it would be monitoring students via the webcam.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored , non-official use is verboten , etc.That 's just the thing though , according to the lawsuit [ craphound.com ] , the school district did not indicate that it would be monitoring students via the webcam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.That's just the thing though, according to the lawsuit [craphound.com], the school district did not indicate that it would be monitoring students via the webcam.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188240</id>
	<title>convict them - then home monitor THEM!</title>
	<author>rcpitt</author>
	<datestamp>1266523140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally I hope those responsible for this invasion of privacy are subjected to home monitoring - by the whole internet. Strap a camera around their neck and make them wear it and broadcast continuously for at least 1 year.
<p>
Idiots!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I hope those responsible for this invasion of privacy are subjected to home monitoring - by the whole internet .
Strap a camera around their neck and make them wear it and broadcast continuously for at least 1 year .
Idiots !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I hope those responsible for this invasion of privacy are subjected to home monitoring - by the whole internet.
Strap a camera around their neck and make them wear it and broadcast continuously for at least 1 year.
Idiots!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191616</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>phantasmagoric</author>
	<datestamp>1266489900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you read the linked court documents, the plaintiff says that the school did not tell anyone that the laptops would be monitored</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the linked court documents , the plaintiff says that the school did not tell anyone that the laptops would be monitored</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the linked court documents, the plaintiff says that the school did not tell anyone that the laptops would be monitored</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192954</id>
	<title>Re:What does inappropriate behavior mean?</title>
	<author>BitterOak</author>
	<datestamp>1266496140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One of the most disturbing things in this story is that the school deemed "inappropriate behavior" of the student. I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.

What on earth could a school say about MY child that would be considered inappropriate behaviour? Drinking? No, sorry, covered by privacy rights. The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment. The inappropriateness of anything in the home would be determined by the parent.</p></div><p>I read the comments attached to the original article, some submitted by students of the school. The "inappropriate behavior" was smoking weed.  And they didn't remotely access the camera.  The student took a picture and returned the laptop with the picture on the hard drive.  No evidence has been presented that the school even had the ability to remotely activate the camera let alone that the ever did so.  Once school official (not an expert) apparently incorrectly stated that they did have that ability, but it has been denied by everyone else.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the most disturbing things in this story is that the school deemed " inappropriate behavior " of the student .
I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is .
What on earth could a school say about MY child that would be considered inappropriate behaviour ?
Drinking ? No , sorry , covered by privacy rights .
The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment .
The inappropriateness of anything in the home would be determined by the parent.I read the comments attached to the original article , some submitted by students of the school .
The " inappropriate behavior " was smoking weed .
And they did n't remotely access the camera .
The student took a picture and returned the laptop with the picture on the hard drive .
No evidence has been presented that the school even had the ability to remotely activate the camera let alone that the ever did so .
Once school official ( not an expert ) apparently incorrectly stated that they did have that ability , but it has been denied by everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the most disturbing things in this story is that the school deemed "inappropriate behavior" of the student.
I have read the legal briefs and a number of other sources and have not been able to determine what this is.
What on earth could a school say about MY child that would be considered inappropriate behaviour?
Drinking? No, sorry, covered by privacy rights.
The only thing I can think of would be inappropriate use of school equipment.
The inappropriateness of anything in the home would be determined by the parent.I read the comments attached to the original article, some submitted by students of the school.
The "inappropriate behavior" was smoking weed.
And they didn't remotely access the camera.
The student took a picture and returned the laptop with the picture on the hard drive.
No evidence has been presented that the school even had the ability to remotely activate the camera let alone that the ever did so.
Once school official (not an expert) apparently incorrectly stated that they did have that ability, but it has been denied by everyone else.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188834</id>
	<title>To hell with them all</title>
	<author>black88</author>
	<datestamp>1266524880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It is destroyers who set snares for many and call it STATE: they hang a sword and a hundred desires over them. The state is the coldest monster. Coldly it lies, too and this lie creeps from its mouth: ' I , the state, am the people !'. Now open your ears, for now I shall speak to you of the death of peoples."</p><p>Nietzsche was right,  and any who would be so foolish as to disagree is either blind or fully morally ruined by a slave morality.</p><p>I have a very serious question.  Is it not time to,  as Mencken once said "Hoist the black flag and begin to slit throats"?  If it were my children,  there would be another school shooting in the news,  but it would be the school administration and their lackeys in the unions and school board who would be the one's suffering.</p><p>Simple math.  Harm a child,  you die.  No judge,  no jury.</p><p>Fuck public school,  the communists and the culture destroyers,  the unions and the businessmen,  and of course the uninformed,  unenlightened "parents" have turned it into a sick,  degenerate and ugly circus.</p><p>If you love your children,  you will either home school them or send them to a private school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It is destroyers who set snares for many and call it STATE : they hang a sword and a hundred desires over them .
The state is the coldest monster .
Coldly it lies , too and this lie creeps from its mouth : ' I , the state , am the people ! ' .
Now open your ears , for now I shall speak to you of the death of peoples .
" Nietzsche was right , and any who would be so foolish as to disagree is either blind or fully morally ruined by a slave morality.I have a very serious question .
Is it not time to , as Mencken once said " Hoist the black flag and begin to slit throats " ?
If it were my children , there would be another school shooting in the news , but it would be the school administration and their lackeys in the unions and school board who would be the one 's suffering.Simple math .
Harm a child , you die .
No judge , no jury.Fuck public school , the communists and the culture destroyers , the unions and the businessmen , and of course the uninformed , unenlightened " parents " have turned it into a sick , degenerate and ugly circus.If you love your children , you will either home school them or send them to a private school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It is destroyers who set snares for many and call it STATE: they hang a sword and a hundred desires over them.
The state is the coldest monster.
Coldly it lies, too and this lie creeps from its mouth: ' I , the state, am the people !'.
Now open your ears, for now I shall speak to you of the death of peoples.
"Nietzsche was right,  and any who would be so foolish as to disagree is either blind or fully morally ruined by a slave morality.I have a very serious question.
Is it not time to,  as Mencken once said "Hoist the black flag and begin to slit throats"?
If it were my children,  there would be another school shooting in the news,  but it would be the school administration and their lackeys in the unions and school board who would be the one's suffering.Simple math.
Harm a child,  you die.
No judge,  no jury.Fuck public school,  the communists and the culture destroyers,  the unions and the businessmen,  and of course the uninformed,  unenlightened "parents" have turned it into a sick,  degenerate and ugly circus.If you love your children,  you will either home school them or send them to a private school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188860</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise here</title>
	<author>TheP4st</author>
	<datestamp>1266524940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Despite having excellent karma I haven't had any mod points in a very long time, and haven't really cared. But, seeing Jawn's comment getting modded Troll together with <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555240&amp;cid=31188392" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555240&amp;cid=31188392</a> [slashdot.org] and <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555240&amp;cid=31188348" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555240&amp;cid=31188348</a> [slashdot.org] [i]do[/i] make me wish I had them now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite having excellent karma I have n't had any mod points in a very long time , and have n't really cared .
But , seeing Jawn 's comment getting modded Troll together with http : //yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1555240&amp;cid = 31188392 [ slashdot.org ] and http : //yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1555240&amp;cid = 31188348 [ slashdot.org ] [ i ] do [ /i ] make me wish I had them now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite having excellent karma I haven't had any mod points in a very long time, and haven't really cared.
But, seeing Jawn's comment getting modded Troll together with http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555240&amp;cid=31188392 [slashdot.org] and http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555240&amp;cid=31188348 [slashdot.org] [i]do[/i] make me wish I had them now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191814</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266490620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You clearly didn't read the filing, then.</p><p>The school not only didn't make it CLEAR, but they also gave NO indication that it would be going on at all in the copious amounts of documentation that came with the laptops.</p><p>If you're going to make an argument, at least read the court papers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You clearly did n't read the filing , then.The school not only did n't make it CLEAR , but they also gave NO indication that it would be going on at all in the copious amounts of documentation that came with the laptops.If you 're going to make an argument , at least read the court papers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You clearly didn't read the filing, then.The school not only didn't make it CLEAR, but they also gave NO indication that it would be going on at all in the copious amounts of documentation that came with the laptops.If you're going to make an argument, at least read the court papers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188974</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188454</id>
	<title>I hate this</title>
	<author>djfuq</author>
	<datestamp>1266523680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate this country even more from reading this article.</p><p>I hate it! I hate the news that comes out of here! I hate the way we treat people! I hate the religions! I hate the commercialism! I hate the advertising industry! I hate small print! I hate the eduction system! I hate the city, county, and state governments! I hate the laws that are made to suck money from ordinary people! I hate the credit system! I hate the banks! I hate the housing industry. I hate the military! I hate wars! I hate the loss of privacy! I hate the paternalism! I hate the rampant ideological belief in superstitious bullshit! I hate republicans! I hate democrats I hate Libertarians! I hate the entertainment industry! I hate!!! I hate Slashdot's karma system for making people like me who disagree with the status quo out to be trolls.... I hate it all!</p><p>Have a nice day!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate this country even more from reading this article.I hate it !
I hate the news that comes out of here !
I hate the way we treat people !
I hate the religions !
I hate the commercialism !
I hate the advertising industry !
I hate small print !
I hate the eduction system !
I hate the city , county , and state governments !
I hate the laws that are made to suck money from ordinary people !
I hate the credit system !
I hate the banks !
I hate the housing industry .
I hate the military !
I hate wars !
I hate the loss of privacy !
I hate the paternalism !
I hate the rampant ideological belief in superstitious bullshit !
I hate republicans !
I hate democrats I hate Libertarians !
I hate the entertainment industry !
I hate ! ! !
I hate Slashdot 's karma system for making people like me who disagree with the status quo out to be trolls.... I hate it all ! Have a nice day !
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate this country even more from reading this article.I hate it!
I hate the news that comes out of here!
I hate the way we treat people!
I hate the religions!
I hate the commercialism!
I hate the advertising industry!
I hate small print!
I hate the eduction system!
I hate the city, county, and state governments!
I hate the laws that are made to suck money from ordinary people!
I hate the credit system!
I hate the banks!
I hate the housing industry.
I hate the military!
I hate wars!
I hate the loss of privacy!
I hate the paternalism!
I hate the rampant ideological belief in superstitious bullshit!
I hate republicans!
I hate democrats I hate Libertarians!
I hate the entertainment industry!
I hate!!!
I hate Slashdot's karma system for making people like me who disagree with the status quo out to be trolls.... I hate it all!Have a nice day!
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193244</id>
	<title>Too many n's</title>
	<author>John.Banister</author>
	<datestamp>1266497400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But I sure hope anyone who had a hand in it is canned.</p>
 </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I sure hope anyone who had a hand in it is canned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I sure hope anyone who had a hand in it is canned.
 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193114</id>
	<title>Re:Teaching them early</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1266496800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jesus H Christ Ian Huntly woudl have loved this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jesus H Christ Ian Huntly woudl have loved this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jesus H Christ Ian Huntly woudl have loved this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194216</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>Nareth</author>
	<datestamp>1266503520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It could just be something like smoking weed.
It couldn't be fapping because they would have child porn on their hands, so it has to be underage drinking or something else like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It could just be something like smoking weed .
It could n't be fapping because they would have child porn on their hands , so it has to be underage drinking or something else like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could just be something like smoking weed.
It couldn't be fapping because they would have child porn on their hands, so it has to be underage drinking or something else like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194110</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Improv</author>
	<datestamp>1266502800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would hope whomever is responsible for the policy (and for supporting it) gets the brunt of the suit. Is the whole district responsible for an outrageous policy (that's presumably not very well known, or people would've been making a lot of noise about this before it reached this point)?</p><p>Still, it's an interesting issue - how *do* we handle things when the people we elect (or those they hire/appoint), on behalf of us, do something bloody stupid like this? Huge settlements/fines might be fine for businesses because they're external to society (in that if they fall over because of improprieties it's no big deal, usually), but we can't really fine ourselves, as that's just moving our money around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would hope whomever is responsible for the policy ( and for supporting it ) gets the brunt of the suit .
Is the whole district responsible for an outrageous policy ( that 's presumably not very well known , or people would 've been making a lot of noise about this before it reached this point ) ? Still , it 's an interesting issue - how * do * we handle things when the people we elect ( or those they hire/appoint ) , on behalf of us , do something bloody stupid like this ?
Huge settlements/fines might be fine for businesses because they 're external to society ( in that if they fall over because of improprieties it 's no big deal , usually ) , but we ca n't really fine ourselves , as that 's just moving our money around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would hope whomever is responsible for the policy (and for supporting it) gets the brunt of the suit.
Is the whole district responsible for an outrageous policy (that's presumably not very well known, or people would've been making a lot of noise about this before it reached this point)?Still, it's an interesting issue - how *do* we handle things when the people we elect (or those they hire/appoint), on behalf of us, do something bloody stupid like this?
Huge settlements/fines might be fine for businesses because they're external to society (in that if they fall over because of improprieties it's no big deal, usually), but we can't really fine ourselves, as that's just moving our money around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189706</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1266484020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they recorded audio, then the school has blatantly violated federal and state wiretap statutes. Video is only barred if the subject is naked in some place where they would have a reasonable expectation of privacy (yes, our laws are irrational and inconsistent.) Actually, I think the reasonable response to this would be to get one of the students to dance around in front of the webcam naked, then sic the feds on the school for child pornography... this is not only a dick move by whoever set this up, but it could also land them serious jail time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they recorded audio , then the school has blatantly violated federal and state wiretap statutes .
Video is only barred if the subject is naked in some place where they would have a reasonable expectation of privacy ( yes , our laws are irrational and inconsistent .
) Actually , I think the reasonable response to this would be to get one of the students to dance around in front of the webcam naked , then sic the feds on the school for child pornography... this is not only a dick move by whoever set this up , but it could also land them serious jail time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they recorded audio, then the school has blatantly violated federal and state wiretap statutes.
Video is only barred if the subject is naked in some place where they would have a reasonable expectation of privacy (yes, our laws are irrational and inconsistent.
) Actually, I think the reasonable response to this would be to get one of the students to dance around in front of the webcam naked, then sic the feds on the school for child pornography... this is not only a dick move by whoever set this up, but it could also land them serious jail time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194502</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1266505260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You are sadly dissillusioned (or just young and ignorant, or incredibly stupid). Anarchy always leads to monarchy;</p></div></blockquote><p>

Fairly major nitpick, but no.<br> <br>

Anarchy typically leads to despotism. There is a huge difference between a monarchy and a despotism. Monarchies are typically highly organised (class based, gentry and pedantry), a despotism for the most part makes no distinction. The emporor rules because he has the power, a monarch rules because he was born to it (succession). Monarchies can be constitutional (like the vast majorities of monarchies today) where as a despots rule is always absolute. Despots are people like Sadam and Iran's government, Monarchs are people like the house of Windsor (good monarch) and the house of Saud (terrible monarch).</p><blockquote><div><p>with anarchy, the strong (meaning rich and powerful) can do anything they want to the weak. Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal. I can get an armed mob and enslave you. I can rape your mother, sister, girlfriend, and two year old daughter before torturing them to death. No law.

"Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom" is the dumbest statement I've heard all week. What grade are you in, kid?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Agree 100\% with this one, very accurate description of Anarchy. Often the only difference between an Anarchy and a Despotism is that there is one guy/group controlling the murders and torture.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are sadly dissillusioned ( or just young and ignorant , or incredibly stupid ) .
Anarchy always leads to monarchy ; Fairly major nitpick , but no .
Anarchy typically leads to despotism .
There is a huge difference between a monarchy and a despotism .
Monarchies are typically highly organised ( class based , gentry and pedantry ) , a despotism for the most part makes no distinction .
The emporor rules because he has the power , a monarch rules because he was born to it ( succession ) .
Monarchies can be constitutional ( like the vast majorities of monarchies today ) where as a despots rule is always absolute .
Despots are people like Sadam and Iran 's government , Monarchs are people like the house of Windsor ( good monarch ) and the house of Saud ( terrible monarch ) .with anarchy , the strong ( meaning rich and powerful ) can do anything they want to the weak .
Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal .
I can get an armed mob and enslave you .
I can rape your mother , sister , girlfriend , and two year old daughter before torturing them to death .
No law .
" Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom " is the dumbest statement I 've heard all week .
What grade are you in , kid ?
Agree 100 \ % with this one , very accurate description of Anarchy .
Often the only difference between an Anarchy and a Despotism is that there is one guy/group controlling the murders and torture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are sadly dissillusioned (or just young and ignorant, or incredibly stupid).
Anarchy always leads to monarchy;

Fairly major nitpick, but no.
Anarchy typically leads to despotism.
There is a huge difference between a monarchy and a despotism.
Monarchies are typically highly organised (class based, gentry and pedantry), a despotism for the most part makes no distinction.
The emporor rules because he has the power, a monarch rules because he was born to it (succession).
Monarchies can be constitutional (like the vast majorities of monarchies today) where as a despots rule is always absolute.
Despots are people like Sadam and Iran's government, Monarchs are people like the house of Windsor (good monarch) and the house of Saud (terrible monarch).with anarchy, the strong (meaning rich and powerful) can do anything they want to the weak.
Anarchy means I can shoot you in the back without provocation and without fear of reprisal.
I can get an armed mob and enslave you.
I can rape your mother, sister, girlfriend, and two year old daughter before torturing them to death.
No law.
"Anarchy is the REAL democracy and freedom" is the dumbest statement I've heard all week.
What grade are you in, kid?
Agree 100\% with this one, very accurate description of Anarchy.
Often the only difference between an Anarchy and a Despotism is that there is one guy/group controlling the murders and torture.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190298</id>
	<title>Somewhere in China..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266485640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... a newspaper article is being printed detailing the Big Brother State of U.S.A and the horrific conditions children must suffer in the West to complete an education.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... a newspaper article is being printed detailing the Big Brother State of U.S.A and the horrific conditions children must suffer in the West to complete an education .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... a newspaper article is being printed detailing the Big Brother State of U.S.A and the horrific conditions children must suffer in the West to complete an education.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31201616</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1266605640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Let's assume for a minute that the complaint is correct and that the school was remotely monitoring some set of students. (This might not be correct. Did the snapshot come from some public source like FaceBook?).</p></div></blockquote><p>That's what I've wondered all along...  There's any number of ways the picture could have been taken and any number of ways the school district could have come into possession of the picture...  And only one of those myriad ways adds up to "the school engaged in routine surveillance of the students".<br>
&nbsp; <br>And really, at the moment, the entire case rests on the word of a single kid - and we <i>all</i> know that kids <i>never</i> lie to avoid getting into trouble for their own acts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's assume for a minute that the complaint is correct and that the school was remotely monitoring some set of students .
( This might not be correct .
Did the snapshot come from some public source like FaceBook ?
) .That 's what I 've wondered all along... There 's any number of ways the picture could have been taken and any number of ways the school district could have come into possession of the picture... And only one of those myriad ways adds up to " the school engaged in routine surveillance of the students " .
  And really , at the moment , the entire case rests on the word of a single kid - and we all know that kids never lie to avoid getting into trouble for their own acts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's assume for a minute that the complaint is correct and that the school was remotely monitoring some set of students.
(This might not be correct.
Did the snapshot come from some public source like FaceBook?
).That's what I've wondered all along...  There's any number of ways the picture could have been taken and any number of ways the school district could have come into possession of the picture...  And only one of those myriad ways adds up to "the school engaged in routine surveillance of the students".
  And really, at the moment, the entire case rests on the word of a single kid - and we all know that kids never lie to avoid getting into trouble for their own acts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188718</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>Jeian</author>
	<datestamp>1266524520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're 14, it probably does seem that way.</p><p>Things will look a little different when you're older.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're 14 , it probably does seem that way.Things will look a little different when you 're older .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're 14, it probably does seem that way.Things will look a little different when you're older.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31199426</id>
	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1266595920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is "improper behavior in his home'" exactly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is " improper behavior in his home ' " exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is "improper behavior in his home'" exactly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188576</id>
	<title>If that's true, they are in so much shit...</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1266524100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clear cut illegal eavesdropping. Likely civil rights violations. Possibly child pornography if they turned it on at the wrong time.</p><p>Really easy to get the jury on your side with the crying 13 year old telling how she always left the laptop open on the desk in her bedroom, where she got changed each day and how the thought that her teachers were watching gives her nightmares.</p><p>I can't fathom how anyone could possibly have thought this was a good idea...</p><p>And then to try and punish someone for what they did in their own home as well?</p><p>It's not the school kids that need civics lessons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clear cut illegal eavesdropping .
Likely civil rights violations .
Possibly child pornography if they turned it on at the wrong time.Really easy to get the jury on your side with the crying 13 year old telling how she always left the laptop open on the desk in her bedroom , where she got changed each day and how the thought that her teachers were watching gives her nightmares.I ca n't fathom how anyone could possibly have thought this was a good idea...And then to try and punish someone for what they did in their own home as well ? It 's not the school kids that need civics lessons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clear cut illegal eavesdropping.
Likely civil rights violations.
Possibly child pornography if they turned it on at the wrong time.Really easy to get the jury on your side with the crying 13 year old telling how she always left the laptop open on the desk in her bedroom, where she got changed each day and how the thought that her teachers were watching gives her nightmares.I can't fathom how anyone could possibly have thought this was a good idea...And then to try and punish someone for what they did in their own home as well?It's not the school kids that need civics lessons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192632</id>
	<title>district's response</title>
	<author>stacybro</author>
	<datestamp>1266494580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The superintendent has posted a "LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation"<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137</a> [lmsd.org] <br> <br>

pretty typical politico.  totally avoids or ignores what caused it all in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The superintendent has posted a " LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy ' allegation " http : //www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php ? m = 0&amp;t = today&amp;p = lmsd \ _anno&amp;id = 1137 [ lmsd.org ] pretty typical politico .
totally avoids or ignores what caused it all in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The superintendent has posted a "LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation" 

http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137 [lmsd.org]  

pretty typical politico.
totally avoids or ignores what caused it all in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189830</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Japher</author>
	<datestamp>1266484380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is another great argument for privatizing the school system. If this was a privately run school, there would be no taxpayer involvement. The students could sue the offending school into oblivion and not worry about destroying local education (or their own property values) for years to come. Of course that would mean that the school wasn't an agent of the government which would kill the fourth amendment charges, but it also (probably) removes some protections that school officials have as a result of being government agents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is another great argument for privatizing the school system .
If this was a privately run school , there would be no taxpayer involvement .
The students could sue the offending school into oblivion and not worry about destroying local education ( or their own property values ) for years to come .
Of course that would mean that the school was n't an agent of the government which would kill the fourth amendment charges , but it also ( probably ) removes some protections that school officials have as a result of being government agents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is another great argument for privatizing the school system.
If this was a privately run school, there would be no taxpayer involvement.
The students could sue the offending school into oblivion and not worry about destroying local education (or their own property values) for years to come.
Of course that would mean that the school wasn't an agent of the government which would kill the fourth amendment charges, but it also (probably) removes some protections that school officials have as a result of being government agents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191624</id>
	<title>Duress?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266489900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..if that computer were \_required\_ by the school, that AUP would be null and void anyway - a contract entered under duress doesn't count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..if that computer were \ _required \ _ by the school , that AUP would be null and void anyway - a contract entered under duress does n't count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..if that computer were \_required\_ by the school, that AUP would be null and void anyway - a contract entered under duress doesn't count.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189232</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Jarik C-Bol</author>
	<datestamp>1266526020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>pleading poverty should not get a school very far when it doled out macbooks to all of its seignior class...</htmltext>
<tokenext>pleading poverty should not get a school very far when it doled out macbooks to all of its seignior class.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pleading poverty should not get a school very far when it doled out macbooks to all of its seignior class...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189102</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1266525600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the school will produce their Acceptable Computer Use Policy where all of the above is authorized by the parent or other legal guardian of each student, and transferring the responsibility of any illegal acts upon the student or upon their parent or other legal guardian (including prevention of anyone being in the presence of the laptop in any state of partial or complete undress or engaging in any form of sexual or excretory activity, real or pantomimed, in the presence of the laptop).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the school will produce their Acceptable Computer Use Policy where all of the above is authorized by the parent or other legal guardian of each student , and transferring the responsibility of any illegal acts upon the student or upon their parent or other legal guardian ( including prevention of anyone being in the presence of the laptop in any state of partial or complete undress or engaging in any form of sexual or excretory activity , real or pantomimed , in the presence of the laptop ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the school will produce their Acceptable Computer Use Policy where all of the above is authorized by the parent or other legal guardian of each student, and transferring the responsibility of any illegal acts upon the student or upon their parent or other legal guardian (including prevention of anyone being in the presence of the laptop in any state of partial or complete undress or engaging in any form of sexual or excretory activity, real or pantomimed, in the presence of the laptop).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191356</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>bill\_beeman</author>
	<datestamp>1266488760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I absolutely don't feel sorry for the local taxpayers who have elected a board of such staggering incompetence as to bless this administrative voyeurism project.  There should be personal liability for the administrators who have been peeping away, both civil and criminal.</p><p>If we turn idiots loose to govern in our name, we're ultimately responsible for their actions...in this case by the taxpayers of that district taking a (hopefully) heavy hit in the pocketbook.</p><p>And I don't excuse the tech folks that implemented this scheme.  They had to either be totally blind to the implications of this, or knowingly complicit.  They should share in the liability as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I absolutely do n't feel sorry for the local taxpayers who have elected a board of such staggering incompetence as to bless this administrative voyeurism project .
There should be personal liability for the administrators who have been peeping away , both civil and criminal.If we turn idiots loose to govern in our name , we 're ultimately responsible for their actions...in this case by the taxpayers of that district taking a ( hopefully ) heavy hit in the pocketbook.And I do n't excuse the tech folks that implemented this scheme .
They had to either be totally blind to the implications of this , or knowingly complicit .
They should share in the liability as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I absolutely don't feel sorry for the local taxpayers who have elected a board of such staggering incompetence as to bless this administrative voyeurism project.
There should be personal liability for the administrators who have been peeping away, both civil and criminal.If we turn idiots loose to govern in our name, we're ultimately responsible for their actions...in this case by the taxpayers of that district taking a (hopefully) heavy hit in the pocketbook.And I don't excuse the tech folks that implemented this scheme.
They had to either be totally blind to the implications of this, or knowingly complicit.
They should share in the liability as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188734</id>
	<title>Implications at work?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>8^O</p><p>This is a timely article given a coworker just pointed out to me that my work laptop, which is always running a plethora of mandatory software I'm not allowed to touch, is equipped with a microphone.</p><p>I've already signed about a dozen contracts that allow them to monitor anything I do with the computer. I'm going to go back back and reread those \_very\_ carefully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>8 ^ OThis is a timely article given a coworker just pointed out to me that my work laptop , which is always running a plethora of mandatory software I 'm not allowed to touch , is equipped with a microphone.I 've already signed about a dozen contracts that allow them to monitor anything I do with the computer .
I 'm going to go back back and reread those \ _very \ _ carefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>8^OThis is a timely article given a coworker just pointed out to me that my work laptop, which is always running a plethora of mandatory software I'm not allowed to touch, is equipped with a microphone.I've already signed about a dozen contracts that allow them to monitor anything I do with the computer.
I'm going to go back back and reread those \_very\_ carefully.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188342</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>joaommp</author>
	<datestamp>1266523380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can. I hope they get nailed. I can't imagine what would I do if I was the one targeted by those webcams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can .
I hope they get nailed .
I ca n't imagine what would I do if I was the one targeted by those webcams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can.
I hope they get nailed.
I can't imagine what would I do if I was the one targeted by those webcams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188784</id>
	<title>In what sort of society..</title>
	<author>euxneks</author>
	<datestamp>1266524760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In what sort of society is this even thought of as being a good idea? <em>Spying on your students?</em>  Invasion of privacy, breach of trust, unlawful covert observations, not even to mention the possibility of there being unscrupulous watchers of the kids. (how many pictures did they take?)</p><p>"Sure, let's spy on other people's children, that can't end badly!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In what sort of society is this even thought of as being a good idea ?
Spying on your students ?
Invasion of privacy , breach of trust , unlawful covert observations , not even to mention the possibility of there being unscrupulous watchers of the kids .
( how many pictures did they take ?
) " Sure , let 's spy on other people 's children , that ca n't end badly !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In what sort of society is this even thought of as being a good idea?
Spying on your students?
Invasion of privacy, breach of trust, unlawful covert observations, not even to mention the possibility of there being unscrupulous watchers of the kids.
(how many pictures did they take?
)"Sure, let's spy on other people's children, that can't end badly!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192158</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1266492120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
What the fuck has the school to do with that? If they don't want kids to use the laptops while naked, don't give them laptops. It's better than inventing absurd and unenforceable rules.
</p><p>
By your point of view, the contract should have 1000 pages specifying all the different little things kids are not allowed to do with them, like wiping their ass or pissing on them.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the fuck has the school to do with that ?
If they do n't want kids to use the laptops while naked , do n't give them laptops .
It 's better than inventing absurd and unenforceable rules .
By your point of view , the contract should have 1000 pages specifying all the different little things kids are not allowed to do with them , like wiping their ass or pissing on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
What the fuck has the school to do with that?
If they don't want kids to use the laptops while naked, don't give them laptops.
It's better than inventing absurd and unenforceable rules.
By your point of view, the contract should have 1000 pages specifying all the different little things kids are not allowed to do with them, like wiping their ass or pissing on them.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189562</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>barberousse</author>
	<datestamp>1266483600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pennsylvania common law (1) - Invasion of Privacy<br> <br>

(1) footnote reads: "Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [...]</p> </div><p>Why possession?  If they viewed naked children, especially on purpose, they should get child pornography charges. Proving it might be hard though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pennsylvania common law ( 1 ) - Invasion of Privacy ( 1 ) footnote reads : " Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [ ... ] Why possession ?
If they viewed naked children , especially on purpose , they should get child pornography charges .
Proving it might be hard though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pennsylvania common law (1) - Invasion of Privacy 

(1) footnote reads: "Should discovery disclose that the Defendants are in possession of images constituting child pornography [...] Why possession?
If they viewed naked children, especially on purpose, they should get child pornography charges.
Proving it might be hard though.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188578</id>
	<title>WTF?!</title>
	<author>ogdenk</author>
	<datestamp>1266524100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I absolutely DARE some school official to try this with my kids.  I don't play the stupid game where they think they have even an ounce of authority over what my child does after stepping off the bus.  In fact, if they punished my son for anything he did at home, I'll buy him ice cream for every day he's suspended and encourage him to make noise about it and resist in a smug, non-violent way as well as writing every official, politician and journalist I can find in a 100 mile radius.  And then, I'll just be getting started.  I'm not afraid of DSS either.  I even *gasp* spank my kids.</p><p>The problem is sticking up for yourself and actually exercising your rights gets you branded as a radical, a criminal or a terrorist.  This needs to end.  I'm willing to live a harder life to live it with my liberty, pride and self-respect intact and I have.  I've lost jobs, promotions, etc solely on sticking to values and principals and refusing to do the wrong thing.  It's cost me.....dearly in some cases but at least I can honestly say that I'm free.  There used to be a lot of people like this.</p><p>The school's job is to pour a bit of knowledge in his head.  Teaching morality and values is the parent's job.  They need to stay the hell off of my turf and stop overstepping their bounds.  Period.  What my son's personality is like, his habits, etc is none of their business outside that building.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I absolutely DARE some school official to try this with my kids .
I do n't play the stupid game where they think they have even an ounce of authority over what my child does after stepping off the bus .
In fact , if they punished my son for anything he did at home , I 'll buy him ice cream for every day he 's suspended and encourage him to make noise about it and resist in a smug , non-violent way as well as writing every official , politician and journalist I can find in a 100 mile radius .
And then , I 'll just be getting started .
I 'm not afraid of DSS either .
I even * gasp * spank my kids.The problem is sticking up for yourself and actually exercising your rights gets you branded as a radical , a criminal or a terrorist .
This needs to end .
I 'm willing to live a harder life to live it with my liberty , pride and self-respect intact and I have .
I 've lost jobs , promotions , etc solely on sticking to values and principals and refusing to do the wrong thing .
It 's cost me.....dearly in some cases but at least I can honestly say that I 'm free .
There used to be a lot of people like this.The school 's job is to pour a bit of knowledge in his head .
Teaching morality and values is the parent 's job .
They need to stay the hell off of my turf and stop overstepping their bounds .
Period. What my son 's personality is like , his habits , etc is none of their business outside that building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I absolutely DARE some school official to try this with my kids.
I don't play the stupid game where they think they have even an ounce of authority over what my child does after stepping off the bus.
In fact, if they punished my son for anything he did at home, I'll buy him ice cream for every day he's suspended and encourage him to make noise about it and resist in a smug, non-violent way as well as writing every official, politician and journalist I can find in a 100 mile radius.
And then, I'll just be getting started.
I'm not afraid of DSS either.
I even *gasp* spank my kids.The problem is sticking up for yourself and actually exercising your rights gets you branded as a radical, a criminal or a terrorist.
This needs to end.
I'm willing to live a harder life to live it with my liberty, pride and self-respect intact and I have.
I've lost jobs, promotions, etc solely on sticking to values and principals and refusing to do the wrong thing.
It's cost me.....dearly in some cases but at least I can honestly say that I'm free.
There used to be a lot of people like this.The school's job is to pour a bit of knowledge in his head.
Teaching morality and values is the parent's job.
They need to stay the hell off of my turf and stop overstepping their bounds.
Period.  What my son's personality is like, his habits, etc is none of their business outside that building.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189454</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1266526500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What if some kid was doing their homework in their underwear, or naked? That's using the laptop for sanctioned purposes.</p></div></blockquote><p>In hindsight, if they haven't already added it, I'm sure they'll add a clause to the contract stating you can't be undressed using the laptop.  To be honest, that should have been in the contract regardless, spying via the cam or not.  No one wants the laptop back after its been sitting on the balls of some school kid while he hot chats some 40 year old guy claiming to be a 18 year old female elf pixie fairy load on WoW.</p><p>Its rather messed up that they are spying on the kids this way, but the thought of kids screwing around with a loaner laptop while indecent is not appealing in the least, and unsanitary for a number of reasons.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if some kid was doing their homework in their underwear , or naked ?
That 's using the laptop for sanctioned purposes.In hindsight , if they have n't already added it , I 'm sure they 'll add a clause to the contract stating you ca n't be undressed using the laptop .
To be honest , that should have been in the contract regardless , spying via the cam or not .
No one wants the laptop back after its been sitting on the balls of some school kid while he hot chats some 40 year old guy claiming to be a 18 year old female elf pixie fairy load on WoW.Its rather messed up that they are spying on the kids this way , but the thought of kids screwing around with a loaner laptop while indecent is not appealing in the least , and unsanitary for a number of reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if some kid was doing their homework in their underwear, or naked?
That's using the laptop for sanctioned purposes.In hindsight, if they haven't already added it, I'm sure they'll add a clause to the contract stating you can't be undressed using the laptop.
To be honest, that should have been in the contract regardless, spying via the cam or not.
No one wants the laptop back after its been sitting on the balls of some school kid while he hot chats some 40 year old guy claiming to be a 18 year old female elf pixie fairy load on WoW.Its rather messed up that they are spying on the kids this way, but the thought of kids screwing around with a loaner laptop while indecent is not appealing in the least, and unsanitary for a number of reasons.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189962</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266484800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>PBS's Frontline had an interesting episode earlier this month - <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/?utm\_campaign=homepage&amp;utm\_medium=proglist&amp;utm\_source=proglist" title="pbs.org" rel="nofollow">"Digital Nation"</a> [pbs.org] there's a section where a school official is remotely watching what kids are doing from a laptop, and showing a reporter how he does it... it's all inside the confines of the school, but it still scared me.



At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.</p></div><p>True. I am sure there were lots of 19th century schools in which the school officials were watching the kids <i>remotely</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>PBS 's Frontline had an interesting episode earlier this month - " Digital Nation " [ pbs.org ] there 's a section where a school official is remotely watching what kids are doing from a laptop , and showing a reporter how he does it... it 's all inside the confines of the school , but it still scared me .
At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.True .
I am sure there were lots of 19th century schools in which the school officials were watching the kids remotely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PBS's Frontline had an interesting episode earlier this month - "Digital Nation" [pbs.org] there's a section where a school official is remotely watching what kids are doing from a laptop, and showing a reporter how he does it... it's all inside the confines of the school, but it still scared me.
At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.True.
I am sure there were lots of 19th century schools in which the school officials were watching the kids remotely.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196702</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1266571860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If it were my daughter's computer, I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney. I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved. They would need to face the felony charges that their behavior warranted.</i> <br> <br>So why are the several thousand people involved wasting time and money on a civil suit? Especially one which won't do much to punish those responsible even if they "win".</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it were my daughter 's computer , I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney .
I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney 's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved .
They would need to face the felony charges that their behavior warranted .
So why are the several thousand people involved wasting time and money on a civil suit ?
Especially one which wo n't do much to punish those responsible even if they " win " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it were my daughter's computer, I would not be talking about a class-action suit with a civil attorney.
I would be sitting down at police HQ and the district attorney's office pursuing criminal charges against the individuals involved.
They would need to face the felony charges that their behavior warranted.
So why are the several thousand people involved wasting time and money on a civil suit?
Especially one which won't do much to punish those responsible even if they "win".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192674</id>
	<title>Improper Behavior in His Home?</title>
	<author>srobert</author>
	<datestamp>1266494880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious about what behavior the school officials deemed improper in the student's home environment, and why they thought it was any of their business. But mostly I'm curious how they thought that revealing to the student how they had uncovered the activity wouldn't cause them to wind up in a civil suit, or in jail. Are they really that presumptuous about what limits there are to their authority?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious about what behavior the school officials deemed improper in the student 's home environment , and why they thought it was any of their business .
But mostly I 'm curious how they thought that revealing to the student how they had uncovered the activity would n't cause them to wind up in a civil suit , or in jail .
Are they really that presumptuous about what limits there are to their authority ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious about what behavior the school officials deemed improper in the student's home environment, and why they thought it was any of their business.
But mostly I'm curious how they thought that revealing to the student how they had uncovered the activity wouldn't cause them to wind up in a civil suit, or in jail.
Are they really that presumptuous about what limits there are to their authority?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194750</id>
	<title>Evil Apple Laptops -- Shoulda Used Linux!</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1266506640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Note that the school provided evil Apple laptops. Could have worked with evil Microsoft laptops, too.In this case, had they provided laptops with Linux, the webcam hardware support would have been so broken, there would never have been this problem in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that the school provided evil Apple laptops .
Could have worked with evil Microsoft laptops , too.In this case , had they provided laptops with Linux , the webcam hardware support would have been so broken , there would never have been this problem in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that the school provided evil Apple laptops.
Could have worked with evil Microsoft laptops, too.In this case, had they provided laptops with Linux, the webcam hardware support would have been so broken, there would never have been this problem in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31215432</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>MadCat</author>
	<datestamp>1266679980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, this also happened at my highschool back in the 90's, but since PE class was usually at the end of the day, I'd just get dressed, go home, and take a bath in my own comfortable bathtub where the hot water would actually be hot, and the PE teacher wasn't doing a pedobear impression.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , this also happened at my highschool back in the 90 's , but since PE class was usually at the end of the day , I 'd just get dressed , go home , and take a bath in my own comfortable bathtub where the hot water would actually be hot , and the PE teacher was n't doing a pedobear impression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, this also happened at my highschool back in the 90's, but since PE class was usually at the end of the day, I'd just get dressed, go home, and take a bath in my own comfortable bathtub where the hot water would actually be hot, and the PE teacher wasn't doing a pedobear impression.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188312</id>
	<title>Re:Tape</title>
	<author>dfm3</author>
	<datestamp>1266523320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>All problems? Good luck using that tape to cover the microphone...</htmltext>
<tokenext>All problems ?
Good luck using that tape to cover the microphone.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All problems?
Good luck using that tape to cover the microphone...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196034</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266519240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Howard County here in MD pulled the same crap. My kids visiting their mother the week of Thanksgiving and were sick a couple of times. They sent a note home threatening to involve child services because of their "constant tardiness and extended absence". I called the Principal and gave him my thoughts on the note. The schools here are ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Howard County here in MD pulled the same crap .
My kids visiting their mother the week of Thanksgiving and were sick a couple of times .
They sent a note home threatening to involve child services because of their " constant tardiness and extended absence " .
I called the Principal and gave him my thoughts on the note .
The schools here are ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Howard County here in MD pulled the same crap.
My kids visiting their mother the week of Thanksgiving and were sick a couple of times.
They sent a note home threatening to involve child services because of their "constant tardiness and extended absence".
I called the Principal and gave him my thoughts on the note.
The schools here are ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191860</id>
	<title>Re:Teaching them early</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266490800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As I watched my younger brother go through high school I was shocked to hear how the students were given no right to privacy in their lockers or personal vehicles, were under constant surveillance and could be patted down or searched at any time the school felt it wanted to (without parental consent or notification, and without any sort of probable cause requirements). The kids just accepted this and thought it was the way things worked... everywhere. No one told them that this was only possible because of the school setting; no one told them that when they became adults in the real world this sort of treatment from authorities was illegal and a violation of their rights.</p></div><p>And so it amazes me that people are <b>surprised</b> that school principals, teachers, IT administrators and police officers also think it is perfectly normal for them to violate peoples rights. It's the way they were brought up. And now people are being informed and taught by the same authority figures that things like warrantless wiretaps are good to help fight crime and protect people from themselves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As I watched my younger brother go through high school I was shocked to hear how the students were given no right to privacy in their lockers or personal vehicles , were under constant surveillance and could be patted down or searched at any time the school felt it wanted to ( without parental consent or notification , and without any sort of probable cause requirements ) .
The kids just accepted this and thought it was the way things worked... everywhere. No one told them that this was only possible because of the school setting ; no one told them that when they became adults in the real world this sort of treatment from authorities was illegal and a violation of their rights.And so it amazes me that people are surprised that school principals , teachers , IT administrators and police officers also think it is perfectly normal for them to violate peoples rights .
It 's the way they were brought up .
And now people are being informed and taught by the same authority figures that things like warrantless wiretaps are good to help fight crime and protect people from themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I watched my younger brother go through high school I was shocked to hear how the students were given no right to privacy in their lockers or personal vehicles, were under constant surveillance and could be patted down or searched at any time the school felt it wanted to (without parental consent or notification, and without any sort of probable cause requirements).
The kids just accepted this and thought it was the way things worked... everywhere. No one told them that this was only possible because of the school setting; no one told them that when they became adults in the real world this sort of treatment from authorities was illegal and a violation of their rights.And so it amazes me that people are surprised that school principals, teachers, IT administrators and police officers also think it is perfectly normal for them to violate peoples rights.
It's the way they were brought up.
And now people are being informed and taught by the same authority figures that things like warrantless wiretaps are good to help fight crime and protect people from themselves.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194736</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266506580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You mean the taxpayers in that school district are fuuuuucked.</p></div><p>Why does that sound so unbelievably American?</p><p>1) Why do taxpayers in a school district directly pay for the schools in their district and their district only?<br>2) Why would a school have to pay $WHATEVER? The appropriate people should go to jail and that's it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean the taxpayers in that school district are fuuuuucked.Why does that sound so unbelievably American ? 1 ) Why do taxpayers in a school district directly pay for the schools in their district and their district only ? 2 ) Why would a school have to pay $ WHATEVER ?
The appropriate people should go to jail and that 's it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean the taxpayers in that school district are fuuuuucked.Why does that sound so unbelievably American?1) Why do taxpayers in a school district directly pay for the schools in their district and their district only?2) Why would a school have to pay $WHATEVER?
The appropriate people should go to jail and that's it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189668</id>
	<title>Re:Why Slashdot's Cory Doctorow Fixation?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1266483900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/~mcgrew/journal/230893" title="slashdot.org">I'm a Doctorow fan,</a> [slashdot.org] love his novels and agree with a lot he has to say, but boingboing is NOT a news source. I'll bet Doctorow himself would agree that the AP or any newspaper that uses it would be a better link.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Doctorow fan , [ slashdot.org ] love his novels and agree with a lot he has to say , but boingboing is NOT a news source .
I 'll bet Doctorow himself would agree that the AP or any newspaper that uses it would be a better link .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Doctorow fan, [slashdot.org] love his novels and agree with a lot he has to say, but boingboing is NOT a news source.
I'll bet Doctorow himself would agree that the AP or any newspaper that uses it would be a better link.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192776</id>
	<title>Re:Waterfall</title>
	<author>Existential Wombat</author>
	<datestamp>1266495420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately though in todays society, surveillance is a necessary evil.

After all, won't someone think of The Children?


Oh, wait...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately though in todays society , surveillance is a necessary evil .
After all , wo n't someone think of The Children ?
Oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately though in todays society, surveillance is a necessary evil.
After all, won't someone think of The Children?
Oh, wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191768</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>magus\_melchior</author>
	<datestamp>1266490500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If class action is granted, this will hardly make the plaintiffs wealthy, unless there were 5 of them (hah!) and the school is hit with a 7-figure judgment.</p><p>But on the whole, I agree with you-- the parents should have gone to the cops/DA first to try and press charges. Of course, the DA may have scoffed at them for offering him a case that's not an easy way to the AG office, and they're now going the civil route as a result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If class action is granted , this will hardly make the plaintiffs wealthy , unless there were 5 of them ( hah !
) and the school is hit with a 7-figure judgment.But on the whole , I agree with you-- the parents should have gone to the cops/DA first to try and press charges .
Of course , the DA may have scoffed at them for offering him a case that 's not an easy way to the AG office , and they 're now going the civil route as a result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If class action is granted, this will hardly make the plaintiffs wealthy, unless there were 5 of them (hah!
) and the school is hit with a 7-figure judgment.But on the whole, I agree with you-- the parents should have gone to the cops/DA first to try and press charges.
Of course, the DA may have scoffed at them for offering him a case that's not an easy way to the AG office, and they're now going the civil route as a result.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190050</id>
	<title>Re:Bad method of correction</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1266484980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>then these same families will be able to vote themselves a new tax levy to pay for the damages awarded, plus the attorney fees of both sides.</p></div><p>maybe the public school district should go bankrupt. Then the parents can take their settlement money and re-found their local school as a charter school or send their kids to private school instead. As for the local government falling on hard times, most people probably wouldn't shed a tear about spending cuts; they already believe that government spending everywhere is out of control.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>then these same families will be able to vote themselves a new tax levy to pay for the damages awarded , plus the attorney fees of both sides.maybe the public school district should go bankrupt .
Then the parents can take their settlement money and re-found their local school as a charter school or send their kids to private school instead .
As for the local government falling on hard times , most people probably would n't shed a tear about spending cuts ; they already believe that government spending everywhere is out of control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then these same families will be able to vote themselves a new tax levy to pay for the damages awarded, plus the attorney fees of both sides.maybe the public school district should go bankrupt.
Then the parents can take their settlement money and re-found their local school as a charter school or send their kids to private school instead.
As for the local government falling on hard times, most people probably wouldn't shed a tear about spending cuts; they already believe that government spending everywhere is out of control.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188258</id>
	<title>Fuck you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266523200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One student was accused of 'improper behavior in his home'</p></div><p>Fuck you I won't do what you tell me<br>
Fuck you I won't do what you tell me<br>Fuck you I won't do what you tell me<br>Fuck you I won't do what you tell me<br>
FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!<br>
Motherfucker!<br>
Ughhh!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One student was accused of 'improper behavior in his home'Fuck you I wo n't do what you tell me Fuck you I wo n't do what you tell meFuck you I wo n't do what you tell meFuck you I wo n't do what you tell me FUCK YOU I WO N'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME !
Motherfucker ! Ughhh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One student was accused of 'improper behavior in his home'Fuck you I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you I won't do what you tell meFuck you I won't do what you tell meFuck you I won't do what you tell me
FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!
Motherfucker!
Ughhh!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191510</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>jargon82</author>
	<datestamp>1266489360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I neither work for nor have any association with boingboing.  It was just the link that was introduced to me, and it also happens to be the one everyone else is using all day long... which is perhaps because they got it from this summary, but either way, no bias intended.
<p>
My interest in the story is primarily because I am only a few miles away from this school. Perhaps you are upset because you work for the AP?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I neither work for nor have any association with boingboing .
It was just the link that was introduced to me , and it also happens to be the one everyone else is using all day long... which is perhaps because they got it from this summary , but either way , no bias intended .
My interest in the story is primarily because I am only a few miles away from this school .
Perhaps you are upset because you work for the AP ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I neither work for nor have any association with boingboing.
It was just the link that was introduced to me, and it also happens to be the one everyone else is using all day long... which is perhaps because they got it from this summary, but either way, no bias intended.
My interest in the story is primarily because I am only a few miles away from this school.
Perhaps you are upset because you work for the AP?
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188956</id>
	<title>Can't wait to find out</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1266525180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will be really good to know if they were biased based on sex too... as in watching female students in general and nailing only a few of the males or minorities.</p><p>Yes, I know the statement is loaded but I didn't want to go back and fix it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will be really good to know if they were biased based on sex too... as in watching female students in general and nailing only a few of the males or minorities.Yes , I know the statement is loaded but I did n't want to go back and fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will be really good to know if they were biased based on sex too... as in watching female students in general and nailing only a few of the males or minorities.Yes, I know the statement is loaded but I didn't want to go back and fix it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188906</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>SpuriousLogic</author>
	<datestamp>1266525060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This really warrants criminal charges against the school officials who are behind this, not just a civil action.  The FBI and local law enforcement should be reading those officials Miranda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This really warrants criminal charges against the school officials who are behind this , not just a civil action .
The FBI and local law enforcement should be reading those officials Miranda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really warrants criminal charges against the school officials who are behind this, not just a civil action.
The FBI and local law enforcement should be reading those officials Miranda.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194586</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1266505740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Previous anarchic systems had ways of divying out punishment too. Namely blood feuds and such. You hurt my family, and I kill you.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Under this system, all tribes must acquiesce to the whims of tribe with the most swords. As far as a system of punishment goes, it's pretty ineffective as the powerful (rich or have weapons) gets to do what they want to the rest.<br> <br>

Now all forms of government from Despotism to Democracy use their own rules to balance the distribution of punishment, despotism skews it towards the rulers, democracy aims to make it fair. With democratic justice system they seek to give the least powerful individuals the same rights to life, happiness and what not as the most powerful individuals or in other words all must be equal before the eyes of the law.<br> <br>

This is a pretty big distinction, to say that Anarchy is in anyway comparable with any governmental system because it has a method of punishment is like saying coal is the same as diamond because they are both made from carbon.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Previous anarchic systems had ways of divying out punishment too .
Namely blood feuds and such .
You hurt my family , and I kill you .
Under this system , all tribes must acquiesce to the whims of tribe with the most swords .
As far as a system of punishment goes , it 's pretty ineffective as the powerful ( rich or have weapons ) gets to do what they want to the rest .
Now all forms of government from Despotism to Democracy use their own rules to balance the distribution of punishment , despotism skews it towards the rulers , democracy aims to make it fair .
With democratic justice system they seek to give the least powerful individuals the same rights to life , happiness and what not as the most powerful individuals or in other words all must be equal before the eyes of the law .
This is a pretty big distinction , to say that Anarchy is in anyway comparable with any governmental system because it has a method of punishment is like saying coal is the same as diamond because they are both made from carbon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Previous anarchic systems had ways of divying out punishment too.
Namely blood feuds and such.
You hurt my family, and I kill you.
Under this system, all tribes must acquiesce to the whims of tribe with the most swords.
As far as a system of punishment goes, it's pretty ineffective as the powerful (rich or have weapons) gets to do what they want to the rest.
Now all forms of government from Despotism to Democracy use their own rules to balance the distribution of punishment, despotism skews it towards the rulers, democracy aims to make it fair.
With democratic justice system they seek to give the least powerful individuals the same rights to life, happiness and what not as the most powerful individuals or in other words all must be equal before the eyes of the law.
This is a pretty big distinction, to say that Anarchy is in anyway comparable with any governmental system because it has a method of punishment is like saying coal is the same as diamond because they are both made from carbon.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191402</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1266488940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I highly doubt a judge will look kindly on the "But the contract said I could do it" defense to child porn charges. You cannot contract away the illegality of things. A contract which stipulates or allows illegal activities is non-binding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I highly doubt a judge will look kindly on the " But the contract said I could do it " defense to child porn charges .
You can not contract away the illegality of things .
A contract which stipulates or allows illegal activities is non-binding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I highly doubt a judge will look kindly on the "But the contract said I could do it" defense to child porn charges.
You cannot contract away the illegality of things.
A contract which stipulates or allows illegal activities is non-binding.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196750</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1266572460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The class action suit describes the agreement under which the laptops were provided; no mention is made of remote monitoring.</i> <br> <br>Even if it did an "agreement" can't allow something which is illegal. About the only difference such a thing should make is to the length of the prison sentence. i.e. trying to get someone to agree to be "bugged" means a longer stay in prison.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The class action suit describes the agreement under which the laptops were provided ; no mention is made of remote monitoring .
Even if it did an " agreement " ca n't allow something which is illegal .
About the only difference such a thing should make is to the length of the prison sentence .
i.e. trying to get someone to agree to be " bugged " means a longer stay in prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The class action suit describes the agreement under which the laptops were provided; no mention is made of remote monitoring.
Even if it did an "agreement" can't allow something which is illegal.
About the only difference such a thing should make is to the length of the prison sentence.
i.e. trying to get someone to agree to be "bugged" means a longer stay in prison.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189188</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1266525840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is today that so many parents are more than happy to turn over teaching morality to someone else - anyone else that might be handy.  This includes school, church, fellow students, random adults at the mall, anybody.  Anyone that is willing to spend the time.</p><p>Of course, what this results in is a totally borked situation where you have people thinking that as long as they get away with it, anything is OK.  And a good portion of the folks that in yesteryear might have helped the parents out either no longer exist or just aren't interested in anymore because of overload and mission creep.</p><p>So if you actually want to try to instill some sort of morality in your children, great.  Except unless you accept the idea that you are in the minority you are going to be trying to get everyone out of "parent's territory".  A lot of parents, and I'd say most of them today, aren't as interested as you are.  So trying to get things changed so it is always only the parent's role is just going to leave us in a much worse situation than we are in now in 20 years.</p><p>It isn't great that schools try to get into this when they are generally incapable of doing a good job.  However, in today's world what else is there?  TV?  Movie stars?  Are there any role models that would be good for children to look up to?  Is there anyone that has enough interaction with children today to actually be able to provide a role model and some kind of morality?  The answer for the most part is that if the parents, grandparents and siblings aren't going to do any "parenting" then the only other actor in the child's life is school.  Sucks, doesn't it?</p><p>This doesn't really excuse what is described here, but what we are faced with is some kind of "community parenting" and nobody knows who is doing what or what they should be doing exactly.  So you see a lot of experiments.  Some of these experiments involve people convincing teenagers to run away from home, become prostitutes and give their new guardian the money.  Some get the children into strange cults in the name of "giving the children religion" which the adults seem to think is necessary and important.  I'm sure there are other experiments which turn out to be good, worthwhile and constructive.  Sadly, you don't see very many of those.</p><p>We're going to have to learn how to manage this because for the most part, the parents aren't going to do it.  This is especially true when the parent is a 15 year old girl that saw the father once or twice and managed to get pregnant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is today that so many parents are more than happy to turn over teaching morality to someone else - anyone else that might be handy .
This includes school , church , fellow students , random adults at the mall , anybody .
Anyone that is willing to spend the time.Of course , what this results in is a totally borked situation where you have people thinking that as long as they get away with it , anything is OK. And a good portion of the folks that in yesteryear might have helped the parents out either no longer exist or just are n't interested in anymore because of overload and mission creep.So if you actually want to try to instill some sort of morality in your children , great .
Except unless you accept the idea that you are in the minority you are going to be trying to get everyone out of " parent 's territory " .
A lot of parents , and I 'd say most of them today , are n't as interested as you are .
So trying to get things changed so it is always only the parent 's role is just going to leave us in a much worse situation than we are in now in 20 years.It is n't great that schools try to get into this when they are generally incapable of doing a good job .
However , in today 's world what else is there ?
TV ? Movie stars ?
Are there any role models that would be good for children to look up to ?
Is there anyone that has enough interaction with children today to actually be able to provide a role model and some kind of morality ?
The answer for the most part is that if the parents , grandparents and siblings are n't going to do any " parenting " then the only other actor in the child 's life is school .
Sucks , does n't it ? This does n't really excuse what is described here , but what we are faced with is some kind of " community parenting " and nobody knows who is doing what or what they should be doing exactly .
So you see a lot of experiments .
Some of these experiments involve people convincing teenagers to run away from home , become prostitutes and give their new guardian the money .
Some get the children into strange cults in the name of " giving the children religion " which the adults seem to think is necessary and important .
I 'm sure there are other experiments which turn out to be good , worthwhile and constructive .
Sadly , you do n't see very many of those.We 're going to have to learn how to manage this because for the most part , the parents are n't going to do it .
This is especially true when the parent is a 15 year old girl that saw the father once or twice and managed to get pregnant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is today that so many parents are more than happy to turn over teaching morality to someone else - anyone else that might be handy.
This includes school, church, fellow students, random adults at the mall, anybody.
Anyone that is willing to spend the time.Of course, what this results in is a totally borked situation where you have people thinking that as long as they get away with it, anything is OK.  And a good portion of the folks that in yesteryear might have helped the parents out either no longer exist or just aren't interested in anymore because of overload and mission creep.So if you actually want to try to instill some sort of morality in your children, great.
Except unless you accept the idea that you are in the minority you are going to be trying to get everyone out of "parent's territory".
A lot of parents, and I'd say most of them today, aren't as interested as you are.
So trying to get things changed so it is always only the parent's role is just going to leave us in a much worse situation than we are in now in 20 years.It isn't great that schools try to get into this when they are generally incapable of doing a good job.
However, in today's world what else is there?
TV?  Movie stars?
Are there any role models that would be good for children to look up to?
Is there anyone that has enough interaction with children today to actually be able to provide a role model and some kind of morality?
The answer for the most part is that if the parents, grandparents and siblings aren't going to do any "parenting" then the only other actor in the child's life is school.
Sucks, doesn't it?This doesn't really excuse what is described here, but what we are faced with is some kind of "community parenting" and nobody knows who is doing what or what they should be doing exactly.
So you see a lot of experiments.
Some of these experiments involve people convincing teenagers to run away from home, become prostitutes and give their new guardian the money.
Some get the children into strange cults in the name of "giving the children religion" which the adults seem to think is necessary and important.
I'm sure there are other experiments which turn out to be good, worthwhile and constructive.
Sadly, you don't see very many of those.We're going to have to learn how to manage this because for the most part, the parents aren't going to do it.
This is especially true when the parent is a 15 year old girl that saw the father once or twice and managed to get pregnant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188620</id>
	<title>Which Software Was Used?</title>
	<author>stevegee58</author>
	<datestamp>1266524220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm curious: what specific software did they choose to do this with?<br>
Inquiring minds want to know.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious : what specific software did they choose to do this with ?
Inquiring minds want to know .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious: what specific software did they choose to do this with?
Inquiring minds want to know.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195010</id>
	<title>Re:If I went to school there...</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1266508440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... I'd undress and masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop the minute I heard of this, just to have grounds for suing. And then I'd wipe the hard drive and install Linux. Am I the only person reminded of Orwell's Telescreens?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Irony of Ironies.<br> <br>

Here in AU 1984 is required reading in year 11, at least for my level of english.</p></div>
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<tokenext>... I 'd undress and masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop the minute I heard of this , just to have grounds for suing .
And then I 'd wipe the hard drive and install Linux .
Am I the only person reminded of Orwell 's Telescreens ?
Irony of Ironies .
Here in AU 1984 is required reading in year 11 , at least for my level of english .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I'd undress and masturbate vigorously in front of my laptop the minute I heard of this, just to have grounds for suing.
And then I'd wipe the hard drive and install Linux.
Am I the only person reminded of Orwell's Telescreens?
Irony of Ironies.
Here in AU 1984 is required reading in year 11, at least for my level of english.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31201746</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics?</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1266606300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assuming of course that they were routinely spying on the students - an assumption not entirely supported by the known facts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming of course that they were routinely spying on the students - an assumption not entirely supported by the known facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming of course that they were routinely spying on the students - an assumption not entirely supported by the known facts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189716</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1266484020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the government</p></div><p>Well, something like 1/4 kids nationwide is on government food aide. Many of them can't afford school supplies; they can't be expected to provide their own computers.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And why aren't there criminal charges?</p></div><p>There better be some. The school district is the defendant right now though, which is crazy, and does seem to support your hypothesis that it was not just a few pedo administrators out of control who would be charged personally.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is why you do n't want " free " computers from the governmentWell , something like 1/4 kids nationwide is on government food aide .
Many of them ca n't afford school supplies ; they ca n't be expected to provide their own computers.And why are n't there criminal charges ? There better be some .
The school district is the defendant right now though , which is crazy , and does seem to support your hypothesis that it was not just a few pedo administrators out of control who would be charged personally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why you don't want "free" computers from the governmentWell, something like 1/4 kids nationwide is on government food aide.
Many of them can't afford school supplies; they can't be expected to provide their own computers.And why aren't there criminal charges?There better be some.
The school district is the defendant right now though, which is crazy, and does seem to support your hypothesis that it was not just a few pedo administrators out of control who would be charged personally.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31222066</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266748200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got punished for something that happened at a non-school event. I basically got pissed and called someone who was giving me a line of crap at a soccer game an asshole.</p><p>I was in the 6th grade at the time, and I got a month of detention for it.</p><p>When my parents complained, they just extended it another month, called me a criminal, and threatened to have me held back as I couldnt possibly learn because "I kept getting myself into trouble, and a criminal is all I will ever be."</p><p>yeah I'd love to sue them, actually, a lawsuit would be an act of kindness for these assholes.</p><p>They also liked to claim they had more power than our parents, and were above the police when it came to powers, and that their rules were above the laws outside of the school, and as long as we were students of that school, we were at their mercy.</p><p>After I left that shit hole, it got struck by lightning and part of it caught fire.</p><p>It disgusts me how much shit these assholes get away from, and lawsuits just make them go after the kids in question more.</p><p>Sadly, I had no alternative to go to, the other school in town was a city school, which because of zoning, we could not, even under special circumstances, go to. I was out in the county.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got punished for something that happened at a non-school event .
I basically got pissed and called someone who was giving me a line of crap at a soccer game an asshole.I was in the 6th grade at the time , and I got a month of detention for it.When my parents complained , they just extended it another month , called me a criminal , and threatened to have me held back as I couldnt possibly learn because " I kept getting myself into trouble , and a criminal is all I will ever be .
" yeah I 'd love to sue them , actually , a lawsuit would be an act of kindness for these assholes.They also liked to claim they had more power than our parents , and were above the police when it came to powers , and that their rules were above the laws outside of the school , and as long as we were students of that school , we were at their mercy.After I left that shit hole , it got struck by lightning and part of it caught fire.It disgusts me how much shit these assholes get away from , and lawsuits just make them go after the kids in question more.Sadly , I had no alternative to go to , the other school in town was a city school , which because of zoning , we could not , even under special circumstances , go to .
I was out in the county .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got punished for something that happened at a non-school event.
I basically got pissed and called someone who was giving me a line of crap at a soccer game an asshole.I was in the 6th grade at the time, and I got a month of detention for it.When my parents complained, they just extended it another month, called me a criminal, and threatened to have me held back as I couldnt possibly learn because "I kept getting myself into trouble, and a criminal is all I will ever be.
"yeah I'd love to sue them, actually, a lawsuit would be an act of kindness for these assholes.They also liked to claim they had more power than our parents, and were above the police when it came to powers, and that their rules were above the laws outside of the school, and as long as we were students of that school, we were at their mercy.After I left that shit hole, it got struck by lightning and part of it caught fire.It disgusts me how much shit these assholes get away from, and lawsuits just make them go after the kids in question more.Sadly, I had no alternative to go to, the other school in town was a city school, which because of zoning, we could not, even under special circumstances, go to.
I was out in the county.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188392</id>
	<title>The bigger question...</title>
	<author>wandazulu</author>
	<datestamp>1266523500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly is "improper behavior in the home", and who would believe it was appropriate for a school to accuse the kid of it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly is " improper behavior in the home " , and who would believe it was appropriate for a school to accuse the kid of it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly is "improper behavior in the home", and who would believe it was appropriate for a school to accuse the kid of it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31198468</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>JonStewartMill</author>
	<datestamp>1266590940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; the government should be in the business of national defense a small police force to enforce the most basic of laws against theft, rape, murder, and other such crimes.

So in such a world, you would have no problem with me buying property right next to your home and putting a trash dump, an animal stockyard, or a nuclear reactor there?  Yup, that's a real paradise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; the government should be in the business of national defense a small police force to enforce the most basic of laws against theft , rape , murder , and other such crimes .
So in such a world , you would have no problem with me buying property right next to your home and putting a trash dump , an animal stockyard , or a nuclear reactor there ?
Yup , that 's a real paradise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; the government should be in the business of national defense a small police force to enforce the most basic of laws against theft, rape, murder, and other such crimes.
So in such a world, you would have no problem with me buying property right next to your home and putting a trash dump, an animal stockyard, or a nuclear reactor there?
Yup, that's a real paradise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188728</id>
	<title>Re:Why boingboing?</title>
	<author>TrippTDF</author>
	<datestamp>1266524580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that says more about our media consumption habits-  I know I read blogs these days before I look to traditional media sources.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that says more about our media consumption habits- I know I read blogs these days before I look to traditional media sources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that says more about our media consumption habits-  I know I read blogs these days before I look to traditional media sources.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188586</id>
	<title>You have got to be kidding me...</title>
	<author>yoshi\_mon</author>
	<datestamp>1266524100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consitutional scholars have been debating privacry rights for a long time now.  But with our own laws and the added British Commonlaw is there nothing to prevent this type of thing?</p><p>If I recall correctly there was a peeping tom case that had some poor smuck who was getting some coffee in the buff, in his own home, and yet he was the one who was charged.</p><p>Look, I'm a big fan of jurance prudence.  But we need to make our system work because when it's a joke then nobody will respect the laws.</p><p>As an American (USAian) I see that what is holding us together is a sense of purpose.  We ignore the really stupid stuff that is on our books and really try to do what is correct.  But we should make an effort to make sure that the books are correct too.  It's not like we don't have the manpower.  (Most barristers per capta.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consitutional scholars have been debating privacry rights for a long time now .
But with our own laws and the added British Commonlaw is there nothing to prevent this type of thing ? If I recall correctly there was a peeping tom case that had some poor smuck who was getting some coffee in the buff , in his own home , and yet he was the one who was charged.Look , I 'm a big fan of jurance prudence .
But we need to make our system work because when it 's a joke then nobody will respect the laws.As an American ( USAian ) I see that what is holding us together is a sense of purpose .
We ignore the really stupid stuff that is on our books and really try to do what is correct .
But we should make an effort to make sure that the books are correct too .
It 's not like we do n't have the manpower .
( Most barristers per capta .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consitutional scholars have been debating privacry rights for a long time now.
But with our own laws and the added British Commonlaw is there nothing to prevent this type of thing?If I recall correctly there was a peeping tom case that had some poor smuck who was getting some coffee in the buff, in his own home, and yet he was the one who was charged.Look, I'm a big fan of jurance prudence.
But we need to make our system work because when it's a joke then nobody will respect the laws.As an American (USAian) I see that what is holding us together is a sense of purpose.
We ignore the really stupid stuff that is on our books and really try to do what is correct.
But we should make an effort to make sure that the books are correct too.
It's not like we don't have the manpower.
(Most barristers per capta.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31199950</id>
	<title>Re:Occams Razor will serve you well</title>
	<author>Psmylie</author>
	<datestamp>1266598260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the reminder to take this hysteria with a grain of salt until some proof is actually obtained. I'm embarrassed that I needed it, honestly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the reminder to take this hysteria with a grain of salt until some proof is actually obtained .
I 'm embarrassed that I needed it , honestly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the reminder to take this hysteria with a grain of salt until some proof is actually obtained.
I'm embarrassed that I needed it, honestly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188648</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193698</id>
	<title>Response from the school; "the feature existed".</title>
	<author>Enrique1218</author>
	<datestamp>1266499980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org">School Response</a> [lmsd.org]. They acknowledge that the feature existed and was only to be used in case of theft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>School Response [ lmsd.org ] .
They acknowledge that the feature existed and was only to be used in case of theft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School Response [lmsd.org].
They acknowledge that the feature existed and was only to be used in case of theft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189062</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?!</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1266525480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The school's job is to pour a bit of knowledge in his head. Teaching morality and values is the parent's job. They need to stay the hell off of my turf and stop overstepping their bounds. Period. What my son's personality is like, his habits, etc is none of their business outside that building."<br>I agree except I also demand that they teach the morals as represented by the Constitution! I refuse to stand by have them teach my children that his or her rights can be ignored.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The school 's job is to pour a bit of knowledge in his head .
Teaching morality and values is the parent 's job .
They need to stay the hell off of my turf and stop overstepping their bounds .
Period. What my son 's personality is like , his habits , etc is none of their business outside that building .
" I agree except I also demand that they teach the morals as represented by the Constitution !
I refuse to stand by have them teach my children that his or her rights can be ignored .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The school's job is to pour a bit of knowledge in his head.
Teaching morality and values is the parent's job.
They need to stay the hell off of my turf and stop overstepping their bounds.
Period. What my son's personality is like, his habits, etc is none of their business outside that building.
"I agree except I also demand that they teach the morals as represented by the Constitution!
I refuse to stand by have them teach my children that his or her rights can be ignored.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188578</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188284</id>
	<title>Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>fyrewulff</author>
	<datestamp>1266523260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience, not surprised that some decided they would also be the police in these kids homes.</p><p>I hope they lose this suit. Hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience , not surprised that some decided they would also be the police in these kids homes.I hope they lose this suit .
Hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>School officials tend to think themselves as above the law / the law way too many times in my personal experience, not surprised that some decided they would also be the police in these kids homes.I hope they lose this suit.
Hard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189478</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>MozeeToby</author>
	<datestamp>1266526560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.</p></div><p>They aren't monitoring the use of the laptop, they're monitoring the room the laptop is in.  I can't see how they thought this was a good idea at any level, the downright pervi-ness of putting a camera and microphone in every students' bedroom is well beyond what could possibly be considered reasonable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored , non-official use is verboten , etc.They are n't monitoring the use of the laptop , they 're monitoring the room the laptop is in .
I ca n't see how they thought this was a good idea at any level , the downright pervi-ness of putting a camera and microphone in every students ' bedroom is well beyond what could possibly be considered reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the school made it clear that use of the laptops would be monitored, non-official use is verboten, etc.They aren't monitoring the use of the laptop, they're monitoring the room the laptop is in.
I can't see how they thought this was a good idea at any level, the downright pervi-ness of putting a camera and microphone in every students' bedroom is well beyond what could possibly be considered reasonable.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31202290</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266609420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously ? I mean, in real ? I'm soooooo fucking glad I'm not an American !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
I mean , in real ?
I 'm soooooo fucking glad I 'm not an American !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously ?
I mean, in real ?
I'm soooooo fucking glad I'm not an American !</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190806</id>
	<title>Re:This story has not been confirmed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266486900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fucking retard troll is smacking you with the retard dead fish of idiocy.  You RTWFA (Read the wrong fucking article)  Try the one linked to in the summary, and you may notice everything you seek is there.. The retard troll has spoken</p><p>-The Retard Troll</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fucking retard troll is smacking you with the retard dead fish of idiocy .
You RTWFA ( Read the wrong fucking article ) Try the one linked to in the summary , and you may notice everything you seek is there.. The retard troll has spoken-The Retard Troll</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fucking retard troll is smacking you with the retard dead fish of idiocy.
You RTWFA (Read the wrong fucking article)  Try the one linked to in the summary, and you may notice everything you seek is there.. The retard troll has spoken-The Retard Troll</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191700</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266490200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What did the parents sign when they took possession of the laptops? They may have signed off on this use...if not, the district folks are idiots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What did the parents sign when they took possession of the laptops ?
They may have signed off on this use...if not , the district folks are idiots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did the parents sign when they took possession of the laptops?
They may have signed off on this use...if not, the district folks are idiots.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188588</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31203462</id>
	<title>Re:I saw something like this on TV</title>
	<author>hodet</author>
	<datestamp>1266571560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aagh, disregard, he was watching the desktop i can now see.  Webcam just happened to be open.  I still think their remote surveillance is creepy.  As is your use of CAPS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aagh , disregard , he was watching the desktop i can now see .
Webcam just happened to be open .
I still think their remote surveillance is creepy .
As is your use of CAPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aagh, disregard, he was watching the desktop i can now see.
Webcam just happened to be open.
I still think their remote surveillance is creepy.
As is your use of CAPS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31195336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31202352</id>
	<title>Re:This world needs a "reset" button</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1266610080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you kidding me?  That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  If you buy property next to mine that that's YOUR FUCKING PROPERTY.  Do with it as you wish.  This freaking nanny state where people think they have the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their own property is exactly what I'm against.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding me ?
That 's EXACTLY what I 'm talking about .
If you buy property next to mine that that 's YOUR FUCKING PROPERTY .
Do with it as you wish .
This freaking nanny state where people think they have the right to tell people what they can and ca n't do with their own property is exactly what I 'm against .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding me?
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
If you buy property next to mine that that's YOUR FUCKING PROPERTY.
Do with it as you wish.
This freaking nanny state where people think they have the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their own property is exactly what I'm against.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31198468</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189906</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Impy the Impiuos Imp</author>
	<datestamp>1266484620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all<br>&gt; their family members.<br>&gt; That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked</p><p>Don't know how class action suit mechanics work, but they could go even further:  Anybody who owned any private property it was used on (inside buildings anyway) and any person, relative or otherwise, who was inside at the time.  Don't know about a food court, but your out-of-district friend's house, their stepdad, and the guy inside fixing the plumbing.</p><p>Good question, would snooty sitting areas in coffee shoppes count?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Bonus : Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students , but all &gt; their family members. &gt; That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedDo n't know how class action suit mechanics work , but they could go even further : Anybody who owned any private property it was used on ( inside buildings anyway ) and any person , relative or otherwise , who was inside at the time .
Do n't know about a food court , but your out-of-district friend 's house , their stepdad , and the guy inside fixing the plumbing.Good question , would snooty sitting areas in coffee shoppes count ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Bonus: Not only does the class action include the 1,800 students, but all&gt; their family members.&gt; That school district is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckedDon't know how class action suit mechanics work, but they could go even further:  Anybody who owned any private property it was used on (inside buildings anyway) and any person, relative or otherwise, who was inside at the time.
Don't know about a food court, but your out-of-district friend's house, their stepdad, and the guy inside fixing the plumbing.Good question, would snooty sitting areas in coffee shoppes count?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188588</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188852</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I consider myself a moderate politically. Some might even say conservative but in this case I must say.<br>WHAT THE HECK DO THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING!<br>This has got to be in violation of federal wiretap laws!<br>And as far as what is inappropriate behavior at home! Unless it is breaking the law the only person that gets to say what is inappropriate behavior in my home is wife and myself!<br>In this case I say that criminal charges should be filled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I consider myself a moderate politically .
Some might even say conservative but in this case I must say.WHAT THE HECK DO THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING ! This has got to be in violation of federal wiretap laws ! And as far as what is inappropriate behavior at home !
Unless it is breaking the law the only person that gets to say what is inappropriate behavior in my home is wife and myself ! In this case I say that criminal charges should be filled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I consider myself a moderate politically.
Some might even say conservative but in this case I must say.WHAT THE HECK DO THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING!This has got to be in violation of federal wiretap laws!And as far as what is inappropriate behavior at home!
Unless it is breaking the law the only person that gets to say what is inappropriate behavior in my home is wife and myself!In this case I say that criminal charges should be filled.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188284</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189438</id>
	<title>TANSTAAFL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266526500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There Ai n't No Such Thing As A Free Laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194112</id>
	<title>LMSD response to 'invasion of privacy' allegation</title>
	<author>t0p</author>
	<datestamp>1266502800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The district superintendant's response is available <a href="http://www.lmsd.org/sections/news/default.php?m=0&amp;t=today&amp;p=lmsd\_anno&amp;id=1137" title="lmsd.org" rel="nofollow">here</a> [lmsd.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>The district superintendant 's response is available here [ lmsd.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The district superintendant's response is available here [lmsd.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31194438</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1266504840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're not underage, file 'sick perverted bastard snuck a camera in my house and filmed me naked' charges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're not underage , file 'sick perverted bastard snuck a camera in my house and filmed me naked ' charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're not underage, file 'sick perverted bastard snuck a camera in my house and filmed me naked' charges.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188634</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189634</id>
	<title>vice principle should be fired for stupidity</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1266483780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>really, how intelligent do you have to be to realize that revealing to people that you spied on them at home is something that you should not do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>really , how intelligent do you have to be to realize that revealing to people that you spied on them at home is something that you should not do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really, how intelligent do you have to be to realize that revealing to people that you spied on them at home is something that you should not do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196136</id>
	<title>This is already happening</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266520920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Students in Australia with laptops issued by the federal government are photographed by the webcam each time they open the laptop. As you might guess, they also have a tendency to abuse this "function". I'll leave you to imagine what they do to the poor government bureaucrats looking at all these images.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Students in Australia with laptops issued by the federal government are photographed by the webcam each time they open the laptop .
As you might guess , they also have a tendency to abuse this " function " .
I 'll leave you to imagine what they do to the poor government bureaucrats looking at all these images .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Students in Australia with laptops issued by the federal government are photographed by the webcam each time they open the laptop.
As you might guess, they also have a tendency to abuse this "function".
I'll leave you to imagine what they do to the poor government bureaucrats looking at all these images.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31198978</id>
	<title>try religion, was Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266593820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Grandma was in town, she and my daughter wanted to visit a museum on a school day.  So I just looked up the full list of religious holidays (all denominations), found a Catholic Saint's birthday that day, and wrote a note saying 'She is celebrating [Saint's Holiday Name] with her grandmother.'  She was excused without an issue, problem solved.  Because, you know, saying 'visiting a museum' would be unacceptable to the educational system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Grandma was in town , she and my daughter wanted to visit a museum on a school day .
So I just looked up the full list of religious holidays ( all denominations ) , found a Catholic Saint 's birthday that day , and wrote a note saying 'She is celebrating [ Saint 's Holiday Name ] with her grandmother .
' She was excused without an issue , problem solved .
Because , you know , saying 'visiting a museum ' would be unacceptable to the educational system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Grandma was in town, she and my daughter wanted to visit a museum on a school day.
So I just looked up the full list of religious holidays (all denominations), found a Catholic Saint's birthday that day, and wrote a note saying 'She is celebrating [Saint's Holiday Name] with her grandmother.
'  She was excused without an issue, problem solved.
Because, you know, saying 'visiting a museum' would be unacceptable to the educational system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190194</id>
	<title>Re:Frontline covered this</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1266485340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.</p></div><p>A few high-profile prosecutions and new sex offender registrations should shock them into the 21st century; welcome to the jungle people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.A few high-profile prosecutions and new sex offender registrations should shock them into the 21st century ; welcome to the jungle people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the core of the problem here is that we have an education system that is still stuck in the 19th century.A few high-profile prosecutions and new sex offender registrations should shock them into the 21st century; welcome to the jungle people.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31193616</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>haruharaharu</author>
	<datestamp>1266499560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>do you really think that would fix anything? You still have the same possibly illegal surveillance going on, and burying some crap about monitoring in a contract signed by a minor(!) doesn't change the fact that a) it probably doesn't constitute notification and b) monitor doesn't really capture the idea that they're planning to actually watch the kids on the laptop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>do you really think that would fix anything ?
You still have the same possibly illegal surveillance going on , and burying some crap about monitoring in a contract signed by a minor ( !
) does n't change the fact that a ) it probably does n't constitute notification and b ) monitor does n't really capture the idea that they 're planning to actually watch the kids on the laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do you really think that would fix anything?
You still have the same possibly illegal surveillance going on, and burying some crap about monitoring in a contract signed by a minor(!
) doesn't change the fact that a) it probably doesn't constitute notification and b) monitor doesn't really capture the idea that they're planning to actually watch the kids on the laptop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31191588</id>
	<title>Re:Implications at work?</title>
	<author>The Archon V2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1266489720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've already signed about a dozen contracts that allow them to monitor anything I do with the computer. I'm going to go back back and reread those \_very\_ carefully.</p></div><p>NOTICE: Your recent anti-company speech (excerpt: "What the hell did I sign here?") has been recorded, transcripted, and reported to your superior.</p><p>

Also, don't take your work laptop into the bathroom anymore. We don't need that.</p><p>

Have a nice day.</p><p>

 - The Mgmt.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've already signed about a dozen contracts that allow them to monitor anything I do with the computer .
I 'm going to go back back and reread those \ _very \ _ carefully.NOTICE : Your recent anti-company speech ( excerpt : " What the hell did I sign here ?
" ) has been recorded , transcripted , and reported to your superior .
Also , do n't take your work laptop into the bathroom anymore .
We do n't need that .
Have a nice day .
- The Mgmt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've already signed about a dozen contracts that allow them to monitor anything I do with the computer.
I'm going to go back back and reread those \_very\_ carefully.NOTICE: Your recent anti-company speech (excerpt: "What the hell did I sign here?
") has been recorded, transcripted, and reported to your superior.
Also, don't take your work laptop into the bathroom anymore.
We don't need that.
Have a nice day.
- The Mgmt.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189028</id>
	<title>Teaching them early</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266525360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What really discourages me about all of this, is teaching the students to expect and accept this kind of treatment.  I realize they are minors and often (necessarily) children's rights are limited or curbed to facilitate time to learn and understand consequences for exercising those rights.</p><p>As I watched my younger brother go through high school I was shocked to hear how the students were given no right to privacy in their lockers or personal vehicles, were under constant surveillance and could be patted down or searched at any time the school felt it wanted to (without parental consent or notification, and without any sort of probable cause requirements).  The kids just accepted this and thought it was the way things worked... everywhere.  No one told them that this was only possible because of the school setting; no one told them that when they became adults in the real world this sort of treatment from authorities was illegal and a violation of their rights.  I don't like what we are teaching our kids, in the name of 'protecting' the kids.  I'm afraid the level of scrutiny and personal rights violations that we are subjecting them to is desensitizing them to how wrong it is.</p><p>We wonder why citizens seem to just accept the erosion of their personal liberties, but what should we expect when we've been teaching them to just accept it since they were kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What really discourages me about all of this , is teaching the students to expect and accept this kind of treatment .
I realize they are minors and often ( necessarily ) children 's rights are limited or curbed to facilitate time to learn and understand consequences for exercising those rights.As I watched my younger brother go through high school I was shocked to hear how the students were given no right to privacy in their lockers or personal vehicles , were under constant surveillance and could be patted down or searched at any time the school felt it wanted to ( without parental consent or notification , and without any sort of probable cause requirements ) .
The kids just accepted this and thought it was the way things worked... everywhere. No one told them that this was only possible because of the school setting ; no one told them that when they became adults in the real world this sort of treatment from authorities was illegal and a violation of their rights .
I do n't like what we are teaching our kids , in the name of 'protecting ' the kids .
I 'm afraid the level of scrutiny and personal rights violations that we are subjecting them to is desensitizing them to how wrong it is.We wonder why citizens seem to just accept the erosion of their personal liberties , but what should we expect when we 've been teaching them to just accept it since they were kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What really discourages me about all of this, is teaching the students to expect and accept this kind of treatment.
I realize they are minors and often (necessarily) children's rights are limited or curbed to facilitate time to learn and understand consequences for exercising those rights.As I watched my younger brother go through high school I was shocked to hear how the students were given no right to privacy in their lockers or personal vehicles, were under constant surveillance and could be patted down or searched at any time the school felt it wanted to (without parental consent or notification, and without any sort of probable cause requirements).
The kids just accepted this and thought it was the way things worked... everywhere.  No one told them that this was only possible because of the school setting; no one told them that when they became adults in the real world this sort of treatment from authorities was illegal and a violation of their rights.
I don't like what we are teaching our kids, in the name of 'protecting' the kids.
I'm afraid the level of scrutiny and personal rights violations that we are subjecting them to is desensitizing them to how wrong it is.We wonder why citizens seem to just accept the erosion of their personal liberties, but what should we expect when we've been teaching them to just accept it since they were kids.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188416</id>
	<title>Legal?</title>
	<author>wisnoskij</author>
	<datestamp>1266523560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That cannot be even close to legal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That can not be even close to legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That cannot be even close to legal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31189342</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm</title>
	<author>Aeros</author>
	<datestamp>1266526260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and imagine how much this is going ot cost the tax payers for this big-time screw up.  nice!</htmltext>
<tokenext>and imagine how much this is going ot cost the tax payers for this big-time screw up .
nice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and imagine how much this is going ot cost the tax payers for this big-time screw up.
nice!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31247996</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1266954720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, this is the reason that you demand a FOSS operating system and root access to your free computer.  This is why, when given a free government computer, you exercise your right to wipe the drive and install code you trust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is the reason that you demand a FOSS operating system and root access to your free computer .
This is why , when given a free government computer , you exercise your right to wipe the drive and install code you trust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this is the reason that you demand a FOSS operating system and root access to your free computer.
This is why, when given a free government computer, you exercise your right to wipe the drive and install code you trust.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31192848</id>
	<title>Re:Who set it up?</title>
	<author>Cederic</author>
	<datestamp>1266495720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are legitimate uses for this technology and capability. It's quite possible that it was implemented for a benign purpose and subsequently misused.</p><p>It's also very possible for  to set something like this up without no IT help at all. Some teachers have been known to use a computer all by themselves (allegedly).</p><p>Even if IT assistance was requested/provided and the stated requirement was "spying on children at home" it's possible that the IT person was forced to sign an NDA, threatened with losing their job, or maybe even thought it was a good thing to be doing.</p><p>Why should the school administration be the only people without a clue?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are legitimate uses for this technology and capability .
It 's quite possible that it was implemented for a benign purpose and subsequently misused.It 's also very possible for to set something like this up without no IT help at all .
Some teachers have been known to use a computer all by themselves ( allegedly ) .Even if IT assistance was requested/provided and the stated requirement was " spying on children at home " it 's possible that the IT person was forced to sign an NDA , threatened with losing their job , or maybe even thought it was a good thing to be doing.Why should the school administration be the only people without a clue ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are legitimate uses for this technology and capability.
It's quite possible that it was implemented for a benign purpose and subsequently misused.It's also very possible for  to set something like this up without no IT help at all.
Some teachers have been known to use a computer all by themselves (allegedly).Even if IT assistance was requested/provided and the stated requirement was "spying on children at home" it's possible that the IT person was forced to sign an NDA, threatened with losing their job, or maybe even thought it was a good thing to be doing.Why should the school administration be the only people without a clue?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31190578</id>
	<title>Re:Don't take candy from the government</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1266486300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No I'll take the free computer, and then pave the hdd<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No I 'll take the free computer , and then pave the hdd ; ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No I'll take the free computer, and then pave the hdd ;).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31188844</id>
	<title>The staff involved in this are all fucked.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266524940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31202344</id>
	<title>Re:Stupidity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266610020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probaly sexting, while using school property</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probaly sexting , while using school property</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probaly sexting, while using school property</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_18_1846222.31196690</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266571740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I personally would stab the school official who thought doing that was a good idea. Trying to ruin my life and cost me money that I earn to raise my family? See how shitting through a tube feels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I personally would stab the school official who thought doing that was a good idea .
Trying to ruin my life and cost me money that I earn to raise my family ?
See how shitting through a tube feels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I personally would stab the school official who thought doing that was a good idea.
Trying to ruin my life and cost me money that I earn to raise my family?
See how shitting through a tube feels.</sentencetext>
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