<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_17_196230</id>
	<title>Time Bomb May Have Destroyed 800 Norfolk City PCs' Data</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266434400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>krebsonsecurity writes <i>"The City of Norfolk, Virginia is reeling from a massive computer meltdown in which an unidentified family of <a href="http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/2010/02/time-bomb-may-have-destroyed-800-norfolk-city-pcs/">malicious code destroyed data on nearly 800 computers citywide</a>. The incident is still under investigation, but city officials say the attack may have been the result of a computer time bomb planted in advance by an insider or employee and designed to trigger at a specific date, according to krebsonsecurity.com. 'We don't believe it came in from the Internet. We don't know how it got into our system,' the city's IT director said. 'We speculate it could have been a time bomb waiting until a date or time to trigger. Whatever it was, it essentially destroyed these machines.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>krebsonsecurity writes " The City of Norfolk , Virginia is reeling from a massive computer meltdown in which an unidentified family of malicious code destroyed data on nearly 800 computers citywide .
The incident is still under investigation , but city officials say the attack may have been the result of a computer time bomb planted in advance by an insider or employee and designed to trigger at a specific date , according to krebsonsecurity.com .
'We do n't believe it came in from the Internet .
We do n't know how it got into our system, ' the city 's IT director said .
'We speculate it could have been a time bomb waiting until a date or time to trigger .
Whatever it was , it essentially destroyed these machines .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>krebsonsecurity writes "The City of Norfolk, Virginia is reeling from a massive computer meltdown in which an unidentified family of malicious code destroyed data on nearly 800 computers citywide.
The incident is still under investigation, but city officials say the attack may have been the result of a computer time bomb planted in advance by an insider or employee and designed to trigger at a specific date, according to krebsonsecurity.com.
'We don't believe it came in from the Internet.
We don't know how it got into our system,' the city's IT director said.
'We speculate it could have been a time bomb waiting until a date or time to trigger.
Whatever it was, it essentially destroyed these machines.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175348</id>
	<title>The mark of true intelligence...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The mark of true intelligence is the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.  Sad how few people seem to posses it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mark of true intelligence is the ability to learn from the mistakes of others .
Sad how few people seem to posses it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mark of true intelligence is the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.
Sad how few people seem to posses it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178244</id>
	<title>Re:Feh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265028180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that's still crap.  I sincerely hope the reporter completely mangled the real story (and that wouldn't surprise me).</p><p>If the malware really trashed only contents of the system folder, then there is no real problem in recovering locally stored data files, but it will be a little more work than the typical government IT guy has become accustomed to.  Being unbootable is irrelevant as long as the file system is intact - either boot to a BartPE (or whatever) DVD or USB stick and recover the files, or move the hard disks into known good systems and access them as slave drives.  Naturally he'd need to scan any recovered data files, preferably with multiple scanners.  And on any properly secured Windows system the users aren't running with permissions which would allow them writable access to system folders, so their data isn't there.  Even if they're running with full admin rights, it's much more likely their files are stored under My Documents or the Desktop folders.</p><p>Oh, and Windows systems can be configured so that the users' data folders reside on Windows servers.  It causes trouble for some improperly coded software, but it generally works well.  Simpler yet, have management come down hard on the violators, if the office politics are amenable to that approach.</p><p>- T</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's still crap .
I sincerely hope the reporter completely mangled the real story ( and that would n't surprise me ) .If the malware really trashed only contents of the system folder , then there is no real problem in recovering locally stored data files , but it will be a little more work than the typical government IT guy has become accustomed to .
Being unbootable is irrelevant as long as the file system is intact - either boot to a BartPE ( or whatever ) DVD or USB stick and recover the files , or move the hard disks into known good systems and access them as slave drives .
Naturally he 'd need to scan any recovered data files , preferably with multiple scanners .
And on any properly secured Windows system the users are n't running with permissions which would allow them writable access to system folders , so their data is n't there .
Even if they 're running with full admin rights , it 's much more likely their files are stored under My Documents or the Desktop folders.Oh , and Windows systems can be configured so that the users ' data folders reside on Windows servers .
It causes trouble for some improperly coded software , but it generally works well .
Simpler yet , have management come down hard on the violators , if the office politics are amenable to that approach.- T</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's still crap.
I sincerely hope the reporter completely mangled the real story (and that wouldn't surprise me).If the malware really trashed only contents of the system folder, then there is no real problem in recovering locally stored data files, but it will be a little more work than the typical government IT guy has become accustomed to.
Being unbootable is irrelevant as long as the file system is intact - either boot to a BartPE (or whatever) DVD or USB stick and recover the files, or move the hard disks into known good systems and access them as slave drives.
Naturally he'd need to scan any recovered data files, preferably with multiple scanners.
And on any properly secured Windows system the users aren't running with permissions which would allow them writable access to system folders, so their data isn't there.
Even if they're running with full admin rights, it's much more likely their files are stored under My Documents or the Desktop folders.Oh, and Windows systems can be configured so that the users' data folders reside on Windows servers.
It causes trouble for some improperly coded software, but it generally works well.
Simpler yet, have management come down hard on the violators, if the office politics are amenable to that approach.- T</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174346</id>
	<title>Re:Essentially destroyed?</title>
	<author>v1</author>
	<datestamp>1265056380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if they <i>were</i> running backups, they wouldn't be scratching their heads and behaving completely ignorant of what exactly it was or when it was put in.  They obviously lost <i>everything</i>, which I'm sorry but I find some darwinism/justice in that.  If you don't even have a backup to look at to see what it was sitting on the hard drive waiting to blow up, you're just beyond help.  Maybe better luck next time.</p><p>But too many out there simply must learn their lessons the hard way.  That will never change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if they were running backups , they would n't be scratching their heads and behaving completely ignorant of what exactly it was or when it was put in .
They obviously lost everything , which I 'm sorry but I find some darwinism/justice in that .
If you do n't even have a backup to look at to see what it was sitting on the hard drive waiting to blow up , you 're just beyond help .
Maybe better luck next time.But too many out there simply must learn their lessons the hard way .
That will never change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if they were running backups, they wouldn't be scratching their heads and behaving completely ignorant of what exactly it was or when it was put in.
They obviously lost everything, which I'm sorry but I find some darwinism/justice in that.
If you don't even have a backup to look at to see what it was sitting on the hard drive waiting to blow up, you're just beyond help.
Maybe better luck next time.But too many out there simply must learn their lessons the hard way.
That will never change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180004</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265042340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>del C:\windows\system32\* isn't the problem, it's the FIX.</p><p>It shows commitment when preparing the system for Ubuntu installation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>del C : \ windows \ system32 \ * is n't the problem , it 's the FIX.It shows commitment when preparing the system for Ubuntu installation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>del C:\windows\system32\* isn't the problem, it's the FIX.It shows commitment when preparing the system for Ubuntu installation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174350</id>
	<title>No explaination</title>
	<author>HotNeedleOfInquiry</author>
	<datestamp>1265056380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>As to why they couldn't just boot to linux or a recovery CD and salvage the data....</htmltext>
<tokenext>As to why they could n't just boot to linux or a recovery CD and salvage the data... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As to why they couldn't just boot to linux or a recovery CD and salvage the data....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175382</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>Darth\_brooks</author>
	<datestamp>1265016720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, yeah. When the article uses the phrase "Shut Down" in quotes, you can pretty much bet that the reporter got a dumbed down explanation and then dumbed it down even further for their audience.</p><p>In this case, it's really easy to sit back and armchair QB, or bullshit about how full of fail the IT department is. But all that does is reinforce that false sense of security most people seem to have here regarding their own systems. Look at the domain admin next to you. Or the group of people that have local admin rights on PC's. Now think about these lines in a batch file:</p><p>bootcfg<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/delete<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/ID0</p><p>del C:\windows\system32\*</p><p>Now think of someone pushing that in a batch file into scheduled tasks on a Thursday night. Would you notice? Does your super-duper-uber AV console notify you of new scheduled tasks? You think AV is going to stop a task like that, being run by an admin? here, just for fun, throw this in from of those lines:</p><p>Net Stop YOUR\_AV\_SERVICE\_HERE</p><p>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin. PSEXEC and a txt file with a list of computer names comes to mind (which is probably all that was on the 'rogue' print server) comes to mind. Snigger and snort all you want. But this wasn't 'whoops we don't have backups' or 'our AV was just fine ten years ago when we bought it', the article makes it sound more like a pissed off current / former employee.</p><p>Either way the city's in a world of pain now, but no where near the world of pain the guy that did this is going to be in. Something like this won't be that hard to figure out. Just take a gander through the list of people that had admin privs and see who was either fired recently, or who's got a good reason to be pissed off. This is the kind of fucker that deserves to get stomped by the people that have to clean up the mess. Thanks asshole. Your super-l33t skills are nothing more than a long inconvenience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , yeah .
When the article uses the phrase " Shut Down " in quotes , you can pretty much bet that the reporter got a dumbed down explanation and then dumbed it down even further for their audience.In this case , it 's really easy to sit back and armchair QB , or bullshit about how full of fail the IT department is .
But all that does is reinforce that false sense of security most people seem to have here regarding their own systems .
Look at the domain admin next to you .
Or the group of people that have local admin rights on PC 's .
Now think about these lines in a batch file : bootcfg /delete /ID0del C : \ windows \ system32 \ * Now think of someone pushing that in a batch file into scheduled tasks on a Thursday night .
Would you notice ?
Does your super-duper-uber AV console notify you of new scheduled tasks ?
You think AV is going to stop a task like that , being run by an admin ?
here , just for fun , throw this in from of those lines : Net Stop YOUR \ _AV \ _SERVICE \ _HEREThere are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin .
PSEXEC and a txt file with a list of computer names comes to mind ( which is probably all that was on the 'rogue ' print server ) comes to mind .
Snigger and snort all you want .
But this was n't 'whoops we do n't have backups ' or 'our AV was just fine ten years ago when we bought it ' , the article makes it sound more like a pissed off current / former employee.Either way the city 's in a world of pain now , but no where near the world of pain the guy that did this is going to be in .
Something like this wo n't be that hard to figure out .
Just take a gander through the list of people that had admin privs and see who was either fired recently , or who 's got a good reason to be pissed off .
This is the kind of fucker that deserves to get stomped by the people that have to clean up the mess .
Thanks asshole .
Your super-l33t skills are nothing more than a long inconvenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, yeah.
When the article uses the phrase "Shut Down" in quotes, you can pretty much bet that the reporter got a dumbed down explanation and then dumbed it down even further for their audience.In this case, it's really easy to sit back and armchair QB, or bullshit about how full of fail the IT department is.
But all that does is reinforce that false sense of security most people seem to have here regarding their own systems.
Look at the domain admin next to you.
Or the group of people that have local admin rights on PC's.
Now think about these lines in a batch file:bootcfg /delete /ID0del C:\windows\system32\*Now think of someone pushing that in a batch file into scheduled tasks on a Thursday night.
Would you notice?
Does your super-duper-uber AV console notify you of new scheduled tasks?
You think AV is going to stop a task like that, being run by an admin?
here, just for fun, throw this in from of those lines:Net Stop YOUR\_AV\_SERVICE\_HEREThere are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.
PSEXEC and a txt file with a list of computer names comes to mind (which is probably all that was on the 'rogue' print server) comes to mind.
Snigger and snort all you want.
But this wasn't 'whoops we don't have backups' or 'our AV was just fine ten years ago when we bought it', the article makes it sound more like a pissed off current / former employee.Either way the city's in a world of pain now, but no where near the world of pain the guy that did this is going to be in.
Something like this won't be that hard to figure out.
Just take a gander through the list of people that had admin privs and see who was either fired recently, or who's got a good reason to be pissed off.
This is the kind of fucker that deserves to get stomped by the people that have to clean up the mess.
Thanks asshole.
Your super-l33t skills are nothing more than a long inconvenience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174858</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1265015040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's Naw-Fuck.</p></div><p>In proper Norfolk... well, I'll let <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk#Dialect.2C\_accent\_and\_nickname" title="wikipedia.org">Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org] explain: <i>More cutting, perhaps, was the pejorative medical slang term "Normal for Norfolk", referencing the county's supposedly high rate of incest. In truth, Norfolk's incest rate is no higher than the rest of England. The term is now discredited, and its use is discouraged by the profession.</i></p><p>(Sorry, did you want an on-topic comment?)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Naw-Fuck.In proper Norfolk... well , I 'll let Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] explain : More cutting , perhaps , was the pejorative medical slang term " Normal for Norfolk " , referencing the county 's supposedly high rate of incest .
In truth , Norfolk 's incest rate is no higher than the rest of England .
The term is now discredited , and its use is discouraged by the profession .
( Sorry , did you want an on-topic comment ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Naw-Fuck.In proper Norfolk... well, I'll let Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] explain: More cutting, perhaps, was the pejorative medical slang term "Normal for Norfolk", referencing the county's supposedly high rate of incest.
In truth, Norfolk's incest rate is no higher than the rest of England.
The term is now discredited, and its use is discouraged by the profession.
(Sorry, did you want an on-topic comment?
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175112</id>
	<title>Re:Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>Cassini2</author>
	<datestamp>1265015820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I even think some major problem exists with either data on the hard drive, or the hard drive itself, I just replace the hard drive.
This permits data recovery of any salvageable data on the old hard drive.  It also quarantines the virus infection to the old hard drive.
</p><p>A new hard drive is worth $50-$100.  If you find any important files on the old hard drive, then the new one has paid for itself.  Also, it does much to preserve your chain of evidence if the problem requires forensics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I even think some major problem exists with either data on the hard drive , or the hard drive itself , I just replace the hard drive .
This permits data recovery of any salvageable data on the old hard drive .
It also quarantines the virus infection to the old hard drive .
A new hard drive is worth $ 50- $ 100 .
If you find any important files on the old hard drive , then the new one has paid for itself .
Also , it does much to preserve your chain of evidence if the problem requires forensics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I even think some major problem exists with either data on the hard drive, or the hard drive itself, I just replace the hard drive.
This permits data recovery of any salvageable data on the old hard drive.
It also quarantines the virus infection to the old hard drive.
A new hard drive is worth $50-$100.
If you find any important files on the old hard drive, then the new one has paid for itself.
Also, it does much to preserve your chain of evidence if the problem requires forensics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175208</id>
	<title>Re:$20 says...</title>
	<author>djdevon3</author>
	<datestamp>1265016180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>another $20 says something else major happens to IT in the City of Norfolk in the next 10 years (provided the same idiot still works for them who is responsible).
This kind of policy is easy to describe: Garbage in, garbage out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>another $ 20 says something else major happens to IT in the City of Norfolk in the next 10 years ( provided the same idiot still works for them who is responsible ) .
This kind of policy is easy to describe : Garbage in , garbage out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>another $20 says something else major happens to IT in the City of Norfolk in the next 10 years (provided the same idiot still works for them who is responsible).
This kind of policy is easy to describe: Garbage in, garbage out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174604</id>
	<title>Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article:<p><div class="quote"><p>IT specialists for the city found that the system serving as the distribution point for the malware within the city&rsquo;s network was a print server that handles printing jobs for Norfolk City Hall. However, an exact copy of the malware on that server may never be recovered, as city computer technicians quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server.

&ldquo;Obviously, our first reaction was to shut it down and restore services, and at least initially we weren&rsquo;t concerned about capturing [the malware] or setting it aside,&rdquo; Cluff said.</p></div><p>Obviously, your reaction was wrong in every way. When a system is compromised you physically unplug it from the network and keep it powered on so that you can run forensics on it. Good work destroying any evidence you might have had about not only who performed this attack, but what weakness in your security they exploited to accomplish it. All that just to get a print server of all things back online as fast as possible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : IT specialists for the city found that the system serving as the distribution point for the malware within the city    s network was a print server that handles printing jobs for Norfolk City Hall .
However , an exact copy of the malware on that server may never be recovered , as city computer technicians quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server .
   Obviously , our first reaction was to shut it down and restore services , and at least initially we weren    t concerned about capturing [ the malware ] or setting it aside ,    Cluff said.Obviously , your reaction was wrong in every way .
When a system is compromised you physically unplug it from the network and keep it powered on so that you can run forensics on it .
Good work destroying any evidence you might have had about not only who performed this attack , but what weakness in your security they exploited to accomplish it .
All that just to get a print server of all things back online as fast as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:IT specialists for the city found that the system serving as the distribution point for the malware within the city’s network was a print server that handles printing jobs for Norfolk City Hall.
However, an exact copy of the malware on that server may never be recovered, as city computer technicians quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server.
“Obviously, our first reaction was to shut it down and restore services, and at least initially we weren’t concerned about capturing [the malware] or setting it aside,” Cluff said.Obviously, your reaction was wrong in every way.
When a system is compromised you physically unplug it from the network and keep it powered on so that you can run forensics on it.
Good work destroying any evidence you might have had about not only who performed this attack, but what weakness in your security they exploited to accomplish it.
All that just to get a print server of all things back online as fast as possible.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31286608</id>
	<title>Re:More Horrid Pronounciations</title>
	<author>Uzuri</author>
	<datestamp>1267206480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean you're going to leave out:</p><p>Newark - "Nerk"</p><p>I've just come to the conclusion that Ohioans are lazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean you 're going to leave out : Newark - " Nerk " I 've just come to the conclusion that Ohioans are lazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean you're going to leave out:Newark - "Nerk"I've just come to the conclusion that Ohioans are lazy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178514</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265029740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.</p></div><p>Do these guys pilot pink X-wings in the rouge squadron, too?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.Do these guys pilot pink X-wings in the rouge squadron , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.Do these guys pilot pink X-wings in the rouge squadron, too?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176290</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265019780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even with free open source product like FOG you would not even need to visit those computers physically if they're already registered to system. Just issue general notice to shutdown, pop up a management web page, select all, click re-image. Wake on lan and boot from network does the rest. 2 hours downtime and you're back on business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even with free open source product like FOG you would not even need to visit those computers physically if they 're already registered to system .
Just issue general notice to shutdown , pop up a management web page , select all , click re-image .
Wake on lan and boot from network does the rest .
2 hours downtime and you 're back on business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even with free open source product like FOG you would not even need to visit those computers physically if they're already registered to system.
Just issue general notice to shutdown, pop up a management web page, select all, click re-image.
Wake on lan and boot from network does the rest.
2 hours downtime and you're back on business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176768</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265021760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn, I should give them a call.  I will work for exactly 1/10th what ludicrous price their "experts" will charge to recover the data.  Give me 20 minutes with each computer, letting me use my own "repair kit" (aka: computer of my own that I jam their hard drive into to mount it as an external drive), and I will "recover" every single piece of data (minus the System32 folder, of course) on that computer onto whatever secondary storage they want it on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , I should give them a call .
I will work for exactly 1/10th what ludicrous price their " experts " will charge to recover the data .
Give me 20 minutes with each computer , letting me use my own " repair kit " ( aka : computer of my own that I jam their hard drive into to mount it as an external drive ) , and I will " recover " every single piece of data ( minus the System32 folder , of course ) on that computer onto whatever secondary storage they want it on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, I should give them a call.
I will work for exactly 1/10th what ludicrous price their "experts" will charge to recover the data.
Give me 20 minutes with each computer, letting me use my own "repair kit" (aka: computer of my own that I jam their hard drive into to mount it as an external drive), and I will "recover" every single piece of data (minus the System32 folder, of course) on that computer onto whatever secondary storage they want it on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178920</id>
	<title>Re:A healthy System32 dir is 1.5 GB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265033100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At first glance that blows my mind.  That's absolutely huge.  Then I check my linux box and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/lib64 is 1.7 GB.</p></div><p>No,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/lib or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/lib64 is not "system32" equivalent. Most user software does not install into system32.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/lib is closer to system32 and that is only 200M where I'm sitting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At first glance that blows my mind .
That 's absolutely huge .
Then I check my linux box and /usr/lib64 is 1.7 GB.No , /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 is not " system32 " equivalent .
Most user software does not install into system32 .
/lib is closer to system32 and that is only 200M where I 'm sitting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first glance that blows my mind.
That's absolutely huge.
Then I check my linux box and /usr/lib64 is 1.7 GB.No, /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 is not "system32" equivalent.
Most user software does not install into system32.
/lib is closer to system32 and that is only 200M where I'm sitting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174706</id>
	<title>You are fail for believing news articles</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1265057640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You cant take any details from any news articles at face value.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You cant take any details from any news articles at face value .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cant take any details from any news articles at face value.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178116</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265027460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're overdoing it a bit.  It's more like somewhere between Nor- and Naw and fck.</p><p>People who say it "fuck" are not local.  Nor-folk means not local... but to say its Naw either means that they have a very very very deep accent that's only common in the areas with the really old set (like old-timers in Yorktown) or that they're just not from around here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're overdoing it a bit .
It 's more like somewhere between Nor- and Naw and fck.People who say it " fuck " are not local .
Nor-folk means not local... but to say its Naw either means that they have a very very very deep accent that 's only common in the areas with the really old set ( like old-timers in Yorktown ) or that they 're just not from around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're overdoing it a bit.
It's more like somewhere between Nor- and Naw and fck.People who say it "fuck" are not local.
Nor-folk means not local... but to say its Naw either means that they have a very very very deep accent that's only common in the areas with the really old set (like old-timers in Yorktown) or that they're just not from around here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174150</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174260</id>
	<title>Sounds like...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... someone has a case of the <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/insidious\_worm\_makes\_unauthorized" title="theonion.com" rel="nofollow">2 A.M. Worm</a> [theonion.com].</p><p>"How the hell did it get in here?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... someone has a case of the 2 A.M. Worm [ theonion.com ] .
" How the hell did it get in here ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... someone has a case of the 2 A.M. Worm [theonion.com].
"How the hell did it get in here?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180026</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>doctorcisco</author>
	<datestamp>1265042520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the pronunciation of the Norfolk in Nebraska has a story behind it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The original settlers named it "North Fork," after the northern branch of the Platte River. But by the time the name of the town was being registered in Washington, DC, some Virginia-centric bureaucrat wrote the name as "Norfolk," obviously thinking it was named like Norfolk, VA.</p><p>However, the locals continued to pronounce the actual original name. And so, "Norfolk, Nebraska" is pronounced "Nor Fork" to this day. Just sometimes, a word can tell quite a tale.</p><p>Way too often, I know way too much utterly useless information.</p><p>doctorcisco</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the pronunciation of the Norfolk in Nebraska has a story behind it ... The original settlers named it " North Fork , " after the northern branch of the Platte River .
But by the time the name of the town was being registered in Washington , DC , some Virginia-centric bureaucrat wrote the name as " Norfolk , " obviously thinking it was named like Norfolk , VA.However , the locals continued to pronounce the actual original name .
And so , " Norfolk , Nebraska " is pronounced " Nor Fork " to this day .
Just sometimes , a word can tell quite a tale.Way too often , I know way too much utterly useless information.doctorcisco</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the pronunciation of the Norfolk in Nebraska has a story behind it ... The original settlers named it "North Fork," after the northern branch of the Platte River.
But by the time the name of the town was being registered in Washington, DC, some Virginia-centric bureaucrat wrote the name as "Norfolk," obviously thinking it was named like Norfolk, VA.However, the locals continued to pronounce the actual original name.
And so, "Norfolk, Nebraska" is pronounced "Nor Fork" to this day.
Just sometimes, a word can tell quite a tale.Way too often, I know way too much utterly useless information.doctorcisco</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176548</id>
	<title>Re:Essentially destroyed?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1265020860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But whoever hated them enough to install the timebomb would obviously have sabotaged the backups. Maybe that was what the delay was all about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But whoever hated them enough to install the timebomb would obviously have sabotaged the backups .
Maybe that was what the delay was all about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But whoever hated them enough to install the timebomb would obviously have sabotaged the backups.
Maybe that was what the delay was all about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174346</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175710</id>
	<title>Re:A healthy System32 dir is 1.5 GB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265017800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Development:<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr$ du -sm *<br>
836	lib<br>
50	lib32<br>
0	lib64<br>
<br>
Fedora Rawhide:<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr# du -sm *<br>
275	lib<br>
957	lib64</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Development : /usr $ du -sm * 836 lib 50 lib32 0 lib64 Fedora Rawhide : /usr # du -sm * 275 lib 957 lib64</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Development: /usr$ du -sm *
836	lib
50	lib32
0	lib64

Fedora Rawhide: /usr# du -sm *
275	lib
957	lib64</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176182</id>
	<title>Re:I live in VA Beach</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1265019420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I hope they have good backup policies.</p></div></blockquote><p>If all they did was fiddle the boot.ini - why not just fix these "destroyed" pc's?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they have good backup policies.If all they did was fiddle the boot.ini - why not just fix these " destroyed " pc 's ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they have good backup policies.If all they did was fiddle the boot.ini - why not just fix these "destroyed" pc's?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175036</id>
	<title>Re:Feh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265015640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>Cluff said the malicious software appears to have been designed to trash vital operating files in the Windows\System32 folder on the infected machines. Cluff said a healthy, functioning System32 directory weighs in at around 1.5GB, but the computers infected with this as-yet-unidentified malware had their System32 folders chopped down to around a third of that size, rendering them unbootable. <b>Cluff added that city employees are urged to store their data on file servers, which were largely untouched by the attack, but he said employees who ignored that advice and stored important documents on affected desktop computers may have lost those files.</b></p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Cluff said the malicious software appears to have been designed to trash vital operating files in the Windows \ System32 folder on the infected machines .
Cluff said a healthy , functioning System32 directory weighs in at around 1.5GB , but the computers infected with this as-yet-unidentified malware had their System32 folders chopped down to around a third of that size , rendering them unbootable .
Cluff added that city employees are urged to store their data on file servers , which were largely untouched by the attack , but he said employees who ignored that advice and stored important documents on affected desktop computers may have lost those files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Cluff said the malicious software appears to have been designed to trash vital operating files in the Windows\System32 folder on the infected machines.
Cluff said a healthy, functioning System32 directory weighs in at around 1.5GB, but the computers infected with this as-yet-unidentified malware had their System32 folders chopped down to around a third of that size, rendering them unbootable.
Cluff added that city employees are urged to store their data on file servers, which were largely untouched by the attack, but he said employees who ignored that advice and stored important documents on affected desktop computers may have lost those files.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174590</id>
	<title>Re:It happened on Patch Tuesday.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Duh.  It would figure that their entire IT department didn't read the news about the Microsoft update causing PCs to BSOD on bootup if they had been compromised by a specific malware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh .
It would figure that their entire IT department did n't read the news about the Microsoft update causing PCs to BSOD on bootup if they had been compromised by a specific malware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh.
It would figure that their entire IT department didn't read the news about the Microsoft update causing PCs to BSOD on bootup if they had been compromised by a specific malware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174246</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174530</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute..</title>
	<author>travdaddy</author>
	<datestamp>1265057040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>... this is the internet... Isn't the apostrophe in the title supposed to be further to the left?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:|</i> <br> <br>So, you're complaining that correct grammar was used?<br> <br>
You're like the opposite of a Grammar Nazi, or an incompetent one!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... this is the internet... Is n't the apostrophe in the title supposed to be further to the left ?
: | So , you 're complaining that correct grammar was used ?
You 're like the opposite of a Grammar Nazi , or an incompetent one !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... this is the internet... Isn't the apostrophe in the title supposed to be further to the left?
:|  So, you're complaining that correct grammar was used?
You're like the opposite of a Grammar Nazi, or an incompetent one!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174220</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174748</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>it's nowhere near as embarrassing as how we pronounce Buena Vista.</i>

<br> <br>Or even Botetourt County, Virginia [Baht-uh-tot County]</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's nowhere near as embarrassing as how we pronounce Buena Vista .
Or even Botetourt County , Virginia [ Baht-uh-tot County ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's nowhere near as embarrassing as how we pronounce Buena Vista.
Or even Botetourt County, Virginia [Baht-uh-tot County]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174150</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175700</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>murdocj</author>
	<datestamp>1265017740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh?  That's like saying the data on Linux system is hosed because your kernel image got zapped.  All the data is there, you just re-install the O/S.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
That 's like saying the data on Linux system is hosed because your kernel image got zapped .
All the data is there , you just re-install the O/S .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
That's like saying the data on Linux system is hosed because your kernel image got zapped.
All the data is there, you just re-install the O/S.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176732</id>
	<title>Under the hood</title>
	<author>akabigbro</author>
	<datestamp>1265021640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what happens when you don't know what is going on under the hood.</p><p>GO FOSS!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what happens when you do n't know what is going on under the hood.GO FOSS ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what happens when you don't know what is going on under the hood.GO FOSS!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175110</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>BlueScreenOfTOM</author>
	<datestamp>1265015820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think the point was the downtime or the effort to get the machines back up -- it was how much data was lost, and how important the data was.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the point was the downtime or the effort to get the machines back up -- it was how much data was lost , and how important the data was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the point was the downtime or the effort to get the machines back up -- it was how much data was lost, and how important the data was.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180366</id>
	<title>Re:No explaination</title>
	<author>Eskarel</author>
	<datestamp>1265045880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called lessons learned the hard way.</p><p>Basically any site this large will have a policy in place requiring all data to be saved onto a network drive. People of course don't do this, for any number of reasons, some good, some bad.</p><p>However, whatever their reasons, generally speaking, IT departments have no real sympathy for people who violate this specific policy and will generally only spend any significant time trying to restore files stored in this way if the person who lost their files is high enough up to cause trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called lessons learned the hard way.Basically any site this large will have a policy in place requiring all data to be saved onto a network drive .
People of course do n't do this , for any number of reasons , some good , some bad.However , whatever their reasons , generally speaking , IT departments have no real sympathy for people who violate this specific policy and will generally only spend any significant time trying to restore files stored in this way if the person who lost their files is high enough up to cause trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called lessons learned the hard way.Basically any site this large will have a policy in place requiring all data to be saved onto a network drive.
People of course don't do this, for any number of reasons, some good, some bad.However, whatever their reasons, generally speaking, IT departments have no real sympathy for people who violate this specific policy and will generally only spend any significant time trying to restore files stored in this way if the person who lost their files is high enough up to cause trouble.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175206</id>
	<title>Save Time &amp; Money!</title>
	<author>2PAIRofACES</author>
	<datestamp>1265016180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just blame Terry Childs.  It was a backdoor into a citywide system.  Clearly he's responsible.  Doubtlessly the D.A. is already concocting a theory involving him having visited the city during a conference, and installing a modem into the network.  By phoning a specific number and entering a sequence of numbers from his prison phone, he's brought the network to its knees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just blame Terry Childs .
It was a backdoor into a citywide system .
Clearly he 's responsible .
Doubtlessly the D.A .
is already concocting a theory involving him having visited the city during a conference , and installing a modem into the network .
By phoning a specific number and entering a sequence of numbers from his prison phone , he 's brought the network to its knees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just blame Terry Childs.
It was a backdoor into a citywide system.
Clearly he's responsible.
Doubtlessly the D.A.
is already concocting a theory involving him having visited the city during a conference, and installing a modem into the network.
By phoning a specific number and entering a sequence of numbers from his prison phone, he's brought the network to its knees.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174760</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1265057880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a Norfolk here in Nebraska.  It's called "nor-fork". And there's a Buena Vista University just across the river in IA.  I cringe every time I hear a radio ad for them. Bew-nah Vista. Just awful.</p><p>Still if you're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations, I'd say the British still take the cake with "Worcestershire".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a Norfolk here in Nebraska .
It 's called " nor-fork " .
And there 's a Buena Vista University just across the river in IA .
I cringe every time I hear a radio ad for them .
Bew-nah Vista .
Just awful.Still if you 're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations , I 'd say the British still take the cake with " Worcestershire " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a Norfolk here in Nebraska.
It's called "nor-fork".
And there's a Buena Vista University just across the river in IA.
I cringe every time I hear a radio ad for them.
Bew-nah Vista.
Just awful.Still if you're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations, I'd say the British still take the cake with "Worcestershire".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176204</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265019480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many machines can <b>you</b> reimage in a day?</p></div><p>How many network ports do you have?</p><p>Use either native PXE boot (or use a boot cd that supports pxe) and image them all at once using a software that supports UDP multicast (or use a custom linux image, Netcat, and DD if all the systems are identical)</p><p>Seriously, the only limitations you run into is how many network ports are available, and whether the shop's wiring can support that many units.</p><p>If you're doing it by hand, you're doing it wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many machines can you reimage in a day ? How many network ports do you have ? Use either native PXE boot ( or use a boot cd that supports pxe ) and image them all at once using a software that supports UDP multicast ( or use a custom linux image , Netcat , and DD if all the systems are identical ) Seriously , the only limitations you run into is how many network ports are available , and whether the shop 's wiring can support that many units.If you 're doing it by hand , you 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many machines can you reimage in a day?How many network ports do you have?Use either native PXE boot (or use a boot cd that supports pxe) and image them all at once using a software that supports UDP multicast (or use a custom linux image, Netcat, and DD if all the systems are identical)Seriously, the only limitations you run into is how many network ports are available, and whether the shop's wiring can support that many units.If you're doing it by hand, you're doing it wrong.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174712</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174438</id>
	<title>Time Bomb is my favorite</title>
	<author>bigredradio</author>
	<datestamp>1265056740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think Time Bomb is the best of all the No-Heroics superheros. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLaXUTdybjc" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLaXUTdybjc</a> [youtube.com]

<br>Oh wait, you were talking about that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Time Bomb is the best of all the No-Heroics superheros .
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = JLaXUTdybjc [ youtube.com ] Oh wait , you were talking about that ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Time Bomb is the best of all the No-Heroics superheros.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLaXUTdybjc [youtube.com]

Oh wait, you were talking about that ....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31177208</id>
	<title>essentially destroyed? Doesn't look like it.</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1265023680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If all this did was modify or delete the system32 directory, then the data is still going to be on the drives and should be easily recoverable - so I wouldn't refer to those machines as "essentially destroyed," - I wouldn't even refer to the data as "destroyed."</p><p>All it means is the machine wont boot normally. I know for most users that renders the machine temporarily useless, but even a low level IT tech should be able to recover data or get the system booting again, there are about 5 different ways to do it.</p><p>That doesn't change the fact that someone unleashed this on a civic network, but it bothers me when electronic attacks are described in a way that makes them sound much worse than they actually are - because we already have the government looking to use "cyber security" as the next big issue which they'll surely try to tackle via censorship, privacy violations, internet filtering, and wrongheaded laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If all this did was modify or delete the system32 directory , then the data is still going to be on the drives and should be easily recoverable - so I would n't refer to those machines as " essentially destroyed , " - I would n't even refer to the data as " destroyed .
" All it means is the machine wont boot normally .
I know for most users that renders the machine temporarily useless , but even a low level IT tech should be able to recover data or get the system booting again , there are about 5 different ways to do it.That does n't change the fact that someone unleashed this on a civic network , but it bothers me when electronic attacks are described in a way that makes them sound much worse than they actually are - because we already have the government looking to use " cyber security " as the next big issue which they 'll surely try to tackle via censorship , privacy violations , internet filtering , and wrongheaded laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If all this did was modify or delete the system32 directory, then the data is still going to be on the drives and should be easily recoverable - so I wouldn't refer to those machines as "essentially destroyed," - I wouldn't even refer to the data as "destroyed.
"All it means is the machine wont boot normally.
I know for most users that renders the machine temporarily useless, but even a low level IT tech should be able to recover data or get the system booting again, there are about 5 different ways to do it.That doesn't change the fact that someone unleashed this on a civic network, but it bothers me when electronic attacks are described in a way that makes them sound much worse than they actually are - because we already have the government looking to use "cyber security" as the next big issue which they'll surely try to tackle via censorship, privacy violations, internet filtering, and wrongheaded laws.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175526</id>
	<title>Dealing w/ something similar at work</title>
	<author>aztektum</author>
	<datestamp>1265017260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A similar thing happened where I work (uni campus), although due to config errors, not a timebomb.</p><p>400 machines got imaged and we're scrambling to collect drives, install new ones, reimage and then run recovery on the old orig drives.</p><p>Microsoft really needs to add the ability to set user profiles on a different partition, as you can w/ UNIX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A similar thing happened where I work ( uni campus ) , although due to config errors , not a timebomb.400 machines got imaged and we 're scrambling to collect drives , install new ones , reimage and then run recovery on the old orig drives.Microsoft really needs to add the ability to set user profiles on a different partition , as you can w/ UNIX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A similar thing happened where I work (uni campus), although due to config errors, not a timebomb.400 machines got imaged and we're scrambling to collect drives, install new ones, reimage and then run recovery on the old orig drives.Microsoft really needs to add the ability to set user profiles on a different partition, as you can w/ UNIX.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174882</id>
	<title>Feh.</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1265015100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If lil' ol' me can spend a few hundred dollars on enough hard drives stuffed into external enclosures the have two complete backups of all ~1.5TB of data in my system, surely a municipal government can spend a few thousand dollars to do it too.</p><p>What the hell, who runs systems that important without backups?  Management teams named Shirley?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If lil ' ol ' me can spend a few hundred dollars on enough hard drives stuffed into external enclosures the have two complete backups of all ~ 1.5TB of data in my system , surely a municipal government can spend a few thousand dollars to do it too.What the hell , who runs systems that important without backups ?
Management teams named Shirley ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If lil' ol' me can spend a few hundred dollars on enough hard drives stuffed into external enclosures the have two complete backups of all ~1.5TB of data in my system, surely a municipal government can spend a few thousand dollars to do it too.What the hell, who runs systems that important without backups?
Management teams named Shirley?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174246</id>
	<title>It happened on Patch Tuesday.</title>
	<author>gimmebeer</author>
	<datestamp>1265056020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if there is any correlation between the number of PCs that crashed and the number of PCs set to automatically download and install patches...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if there is any correlation between the number of PCs that crashed and the number of PCs set to automatically download and install patches.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if there is any correlation between the number of PCs that crashed and the number of PCs set to automatically download and install patches...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31177560</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265024880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Still if you're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations, I'd say the British still take the cake with "Worcestershire".</p></div><p>Hearing Texans pronounce Guadalupe "gwa duh loop" makes me projectile vomit while my eyes roll back in my head. Hearing them call Guacamole "gwok a mole" not to try to be cute, but because they recognize no language other than Texan, causes me to act in a similar fashion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still if you 're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations , I 'd say the British still take the cake with " Worcestershire " .Hearing Texans pronounce Guadalupe " gwa duh loop " makes me projectile vomit while my eyes roll back in my head .
Hearing them call Guacamole " gwok a mole " not to try to be cute , but because they recognize no language other than Texan , causes me to act in a similar fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still if you're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations, I'd say the British still take the cake with "Worcestershire".Hearing Texans pronounce Guadalupe "gwa duh loop" makes me projectile vomit while my eyes roll back in my head.
Hearing them call Guacamole "gwok a mole" not to try to be cute, but because they recognize no language other than Texan, causes me to act in a similar fashion.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174760</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175862</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1265018340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can re-image 60 in a day myself if I stop and talk to people, screw around throwing nerf darts, and riding the electric moped around the office looking for cold pizza..  more if I had more USB sticks or time to make more Boot CD's.  I think the network here will eat it's self if I try to re-image 200 or more, the Image server is only 100Bt.</p><p>Pop in CD or USB drive, reboot, click yes, go to next one, repeat, go to next one, repeat.  DO about 10 go back and walk past them to make sure everything is running, start at 11, repeat....  Really easy.   I did 800 machines in a weekend with a team of 5 working 24/7 upgrading from Windows 2000 to XP. It's really easy if the IT department is competent and prepared.  Hell even using commercial apps like Deploy center this is really easy. we used a simple linux based setup. I used to have a fully scripted XP install CD, that took a month to craft but would install right on 30 different hardware variations automatically.</p><p>WEll unless your IT director is a complete tool that buys a mish mash of gear only 3-4 at a time.<br>100 dell laptops now 5 are the same model, 30 HP laptops, 20 acers, 60 different desktops. an then he shows up with a batch of new Desktops that he bought at Staples....  Then you are completely hosed.  Hopefully the IT director had a clue and they have some semblance of uniformity.  Even with 800 machines if there is only 80 different images it's easy to pick the right image file on the server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can re-image 60 in a day myself if I stop and talk to people , screw around throwing nerf darts , and riding the electric moped around the office looking for cold pizza.. more if I had more USB sticks or time to make more Boot CD 's .
I think the network here will eat it 's self if I try to re-image 200 or more , the Image server is only 100Bt.Pop in CD or USB drive , reboot , click yes , go to next one , repeat , go to next one , repeat .
DO about 10 go back and walk past them to make sure everything is running , start at 11 , repeat.... Really easy .
I did 800 machines in a weekend with a team of 5 working 24/7 upgrading from Windows 2000 to XP .
It 's really easy if the IT department is competent and prepared .
Hell even using commercial apps like Deploy center this is really easy .
we used a simple linux based setup .
I used to have a fully scripted XP install CD , that took a month to craft but would install right on 30 different hardware variations automatically.WEll unless your IT director is a complete tool that buys a mish mash of gear only 3-4 at a time.100 dell laptops now 5 are the same model , 30 HP laptops , 20 acers , 60 different desktops .
an then he shows up with a batch of new Desktops that he bought at Staples.... Then you are completely hosed .
Hopefully the IT director had a clue and they have some semblance of uniformity .
Even with 800 machines if there is only 80 different images it 's easy to pick the right image file on the server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can re-image 60 in a day myself if I stop and talk to people, screw around throwing nerf darts, and riding the electric moped around the office looking for cold pizza..  more if I had more USB sticks or time to make more Boot CD's.
I think the network here will eat it's self if I try to re-image 200 or more, the Image server is only 100Bt.Pop in CD or USB drive, reboot, click yes, go to next one, repeat, go to next one, repeat.
DO about 10 go back and walk past them to make sure everything is running, start at 11, repeat....  Really easy.
I did 800 machines in a weekend with a team of 5 working 24/7 upgrading from Windows 2000 to XP.
It's really easy if the IT department is competent and prepared.
Hell even using commercial apps like Deploy center this is really easy.
we used a simple linux based setup.
I used to have a fully scripted XP install CD, that took a month to craft but would install right on 30 different hardware variations automatically.WEll unless your IT director is a complete tool that buys a mish mash of gear only 3-4 at a time.100 dell laptops now 5 are the same model, 30 HP laptops, 20 acers, 60 different desktops.
an then he shows up with a batch of new Desktops that he bought at Staples....  Then you are completely hosed.
Hopefully the IT director had a clue and they have some semblance of uniformity.
Even with 800 machines if there is only 80 different images it's easy to pick the right image file on the server.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174712</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31177852</id>
	<title>All is fixed</title>
	<author>YrWrstNtmr</author>
	<datestamp>1265026020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the local 6 pm news, all fixed and back online, data intact. Evidently, the affected machines were on a shared network, NOT just the City's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the local 6 pm news , all fixed and back online , data intact .
Evidently , the affected machines were on a shared network , NOT just the City 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the local 6 pm news, all fixed and back online, data intact.
Evidently, the affected machines were on a shared network, NOT just the City's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174718</id>
	<title>$20 says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Twenty bucks says that they never figure out what happened.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Twenty bucks says that they never figure out what happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Twenty bucks says that they never figure out what happened.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174404</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>wintercolby</author>
	<datestamp>1265056680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, and their Highschool cheer is:<br>
<b>We don't drink! We don't smoke!  Norfolk! Norfolk!</b>
<br> <br>Pronounced as specified above.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and their Highschool cheer is : We do n't drink !
We do n't smoke !
Norfolk ! Norfolk !
Pronounced as specified above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and their Highschool cheer is:
We don't drink!
We don't smoke!
Norfolk! Norfolk!
Pronounced as specified above.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174150</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31179896</id>
	<title>Re:Remind me the next time I write malware...</title>
	<author>shadowbearer</author>
	<datestamp>1265041320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; That's actually what makes me think it was a time bomb of some sort, rather than an actual outside malware infection. Most outside malware infections are of the botnet variety, crashing hundreds of systems to a rebuild state is counter-productive. But some disgruntled employee who wanted to cause a lot of grief to the IT department... hiding your code in a print server makes sense, nobody is likely to look there.</p><p>
&nbsp; Of course it sounds like most of the direct evidence is now gone...</p><p>SB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  That 's actually what makes me think it was a time bomb of some sort , rather than an actual outside malware infection .
Most outside malware infections are of the botnet variety , crashing hundreds of systems to a rebuild state is counter-productive .
But some disgruntled employee who wanted to cause a lot of grief to the IT department... hiding your code in a print server makes sense , nobody is likely to look there .
  Of course it sounds like most of the direct evidence is now gone...SB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  That's actually what makes me think it was a time bomb of some sort, rather than an actual outside malware infection.
Most outside malware infections are of the botnet variety, crashing hundreds of systems to a rebuild state is counter-productive.
But some disgruntled employee who wanted to cause a lot of grief to the IT department... hiding your code in a print server makes sense, nobody is likely to look there.
  Of course it sounds like most of the direct evidence is now gone...SB</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178030</id>
	<title>The Time bomb</title>
	<author>brennz</author>
	<datestamp>1265026860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Came through the rift in Cardiff and drifted all the way to Norfolk.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Came through the rift in Cardiff and drifted all the way to Norfolk.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Came through the rift in Cardiff and drifted all the way to Norfolk.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180150</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing w/ something similar at work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265043780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can put your windows profile anywhere you want... <a href="http://smallvoid.com/article/winnt-move-userprofile.html" title="smallvoid.com" rel="nofollow">http://smallvoid.com/article/winnt-move-userprofile.html</a> [smallvoid.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can put your windows profile anywhere you want... http : //smallvoid.com/article/winnt-move-userprofile.html [ smallvoid.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can put your windows profile anywhere you want... http://smallvoid.com/article/winnt-move-userprofile.html [smallvoid.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175526</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178990</id>
	<title>punishment if the perp is caught?</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1265033640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was the guy who locked out administrator privileges in the San Francisco computer system.  He recently <a href="http://www.crn.com/security/209101383" title="crn.com"> went on trial </a> [crn.com] in December, but I have not heard a verdict.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was the guy who locked out administrator privileges in the San Francisco computer system .
He recently went on trial [ crn.com ] in December , but I have not heard a verdict .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was the guy who locked out administrator privileges in the San Francisco computer system.
He recently  went on trial  [crn.com] in December, but I have not heard a verdict.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31177814</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>AlecC</author>
	<datestamp>1265025840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cirencester is also pronounces by some Sisister or even Sister</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cirencester is also pronounces by some Sisister or even Sister</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cirencester is also pronounces by some Sisister or even Sister</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31179802</id>
	<title>As the cheerleaders says</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265040660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't drink!</p><p>We don't smoke!</p><p>Norfolk! Norfolk!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't drink ! We do n't smoke ! Norfolk !
Norfolk !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't drink!We don't smoke!Norfolk!
Norfolk!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174858</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174150</id>
	<title>Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's Naw-Fuck.</p><p>And it's nowhere near as embarrassing as how we pronounce Buena Vista.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Naw-Fuck.And it 's nowhere near as embarrassing as how we pronounce Buena Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Naw-Fuck.And it's nowhere near as embarrassing as how we pronounce Buena Vista.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174682</id>
	<title>Look, if you're the IT guy and this happens</title>
	<author>wiredog</author>
	<datestamp>1265057520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You just restore the image from a ghost backup without worrying about the data because the data is stored (by policy) on the servers.  What? A user ignored that policy?  Tough luck for him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You just restore the image from a ghost backup without worrying about the data because the data is stored ( by policy ) on the servers .
What ? A user ignored that policy ?
Tough luck for him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just restore the image from a ghost backup without worrying about the data because the data is stored (by policy) on the servers.
What? A user ignored that policy?
Tough luck for him.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174366</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174736</id>
	<title>Who did it</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1265057760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And then he says to me You Gotta Make them Pay, Baby!</p><p>And I said Yeah Baby, I'm the Mad Code that Codes at Midnight!</p><p>And he says You're bad, baby!  And I said Yeah!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And then he says to me You Got ta Make them Pay , Baby ! And I said Yeah Baby , I 'm the Mad Code that Codes at Midnight ! And he says You 're bad , baby !
And I said Yeah ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And then he says to me You Gotta Make them Pay, Baby!And I said Yeah Baby, I'm the Mad Code that Codes at Midnight!And he says You're bad, baby!
And I said Yeah!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174268</id>
	<title>Norfolk VA.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only stinky cunts live there</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only stinky cunts live there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only stinky cunts live there</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176374</id>
	<title>Re:Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1265020200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The last company I worked for the owners wanted systems back online as fast as possible. Once they were back online, I could troubleshoot to my heart's content to figure out what caused the problem. I suspect that the decision makers in this situation had the same priorities. Computers are there to get work done. Get them back up and working as soon as possible so that people can get work done. Once everybody who relies on those computers can work again, only then do you start trying to figure out what went wrong. <br>
That may not be the best way to do things, but its the way most places in the real world work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last company I worked for the owners wanted systems back online as fast as possible .
Once they were back online , I could troubleshoot to my heart 's content to figure out what caused the problem .
I suspect that the decision makers in this situation had the same priorities .
Computers are there to get work done .
Get them back up and working as soon as possible so that people can get work done .
Once everybody who relies on those computers can work again , only then do you start trying to figure out what went wrong .
That may not be the best way to do things , but its the way most places in the real world work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last company I worked for the owners wanted systems back online as fast as possible.
Once they were back online, I could troubleshoot to my heart's content to figure out what caused the problem.
I suspect that the decision makers in this situation had the same priorities.
Computers are there to get work done.
Get them back up and working as soon as possible so that people can get work done.
Once everybody who relies on those computers can work again, only then do you start trying to figure out what went wrong.
That may not be the best way to do things, but its the way most places in the real world work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31177860</id>
	<title>Some one said it came from the print sever so any</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1265026020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some one said it came from the print sever so any will to bet in came form some hole in HP or some other vendor software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some one said it came from the print sever so any will to bet in came form some hole in HP or some other vendor software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some one said it came from the print sever so any will to bet in came form some hole in HP or some other vendor software?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174366</id>
	<title>Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>castironpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1265056440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the data is wiped because the System32 folder is fucked up? Uh-huh... guess they have to throw out all those computers and order new ones. Looks like the data's gone forever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the data is wiped because the System32 folder is fucked up ?
Uh-huh... guess they have to throw out all those computers and order new ones .
Looks like the data 's gone forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the data is wiped because the System32 folder is fucked up?
Uh-huh... guess they have to throw out all those computers and order new ones.
Looks like the data's gone forever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174216</id>
	<title>Largely From The Prevalance Of Machines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>running <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Winblows</a> [microsoft.com].</p><p>Yours In Astrakhan,<br>Kilgore Trout</p><p>P.S.: without even reading the article !!! Take that Windoze fans.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>running Winblows [ microsoft.com ] .Yours In Astrakhan,Kilgore TroutP.S .
: without even reading the article ! ! !
Take that Windoze fans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>running Winblows [microsoft.com].Yours In Astrakhan,Kilgore TroutP.S.
: without even reading the article !!!
Take that Windoze fans.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174712</id>
	<title>Overtime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many machines can <b>you</b> reimage in a day?  Even if you only do one at a time, I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.  If you have an entire office full, ready connected up to the network, you just have to pop in a CD (if you even need one) start the PC and move on.  A couple of dozen people could do that lot in a weekends worth of overtime.</p><p>Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery, connection and admin.  Where's the problem here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many machines can you reimage in a day ?
Even if you only do one at a time , I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day .
If you have an entire office full , ready connected up to the network , you just have to pop in a CD ( if you even need one ) start the PC and move on .
A couple of dozen people could do that lot in a weekends worth of overtime.Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery , connection and admin .
Where 's the problem here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many machines can you reimage in a day?
Even if you only do one at a time, I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.
If you have an entire office full, ready connected up to the network, you just have to pop in a CD (if you even need one) start the PC and move on.
A couple of dozen people could do that lot in a weekends worth of overtime.Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery, connection and admin.
Where's the problem here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178918</id>
	<title>Re:Remind me the next time I write malware...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265033100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, if one was truly evil it would go like this:</p><p>* Silently encrypt disk (without key, your data is a random hash)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; * Ensure persistent key is not able to be backed up.<br>* Silently return encrypted data to backup programs (more of a challenge, but if you know your environment...)<br>* After date X, make key volatile and reboot on suspend or loss of network connectivity.</p><p>I wonder, would you get a free lair with that?</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>-I.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , if one was truly evil it would go like this : * Silently encrypt disk ( without key , your data is a random hash )     * Ensure persistent key is not able to be backed up .
* Silently return encrypted data to backup programs ( more of a challenge , but if you know your environment... ) * After date X , make key volatile and reboot on suspend or loss of network connectivity.I wonder , would you get a free lair with that ? Cheers,-I .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, if one was truly evil it would go like this:* Silently encrypt disk (without key, your data is a random hash)
    * Ensure persistent key is not able to be backed up.
* Silently return encrypted data to backup programs (more of a challenge, but if you know your environment...)* After date X, make key volatile and reboot on suspend or loss of network connectivity.I wonder, would you get a free lair with that?Cheers,-I.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175398</id>
	<title>Re:Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1265016780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and meanwhile, while you're doing that, the city offices aren't able to process anything.</p><p>Ya, they did it wrong...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and meanwhile , while you 're doing that , the city offices are n't able to process anything.Ya , they did it wrong.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and meanwhile, while you're doing that, the city offices aren't able to process anything.Ya, they did it wrong...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174604</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174220</id>
	<title>Wait a minute..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... this is the internet... Isn't the apostrophe in the title supposed to be further to the left?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:|</p><p>I had to read it twice to confirm it was used correctly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... this is the internet... Is n't the apostrophe in the title supposed to be further to the left ?
: | I had to read it twice to confirm it was used correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... this is the internet... Isn't the apostrophe in the title supposed to be further to the left?
:|I had to read it twice to confirm it was used correctly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31179890</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1265041320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery, connection and admin. Where's the problem here?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Depends how well your IT is set up. At my old job I could roll a freshly re-imaged laptop out in 45 minutes, on desk and ready to use (SOE only so excluding additional software). My current job is a much smaller operation so all re-imaging is done manually, this takes 3 to 6 hours per machine. If I actually had to re-image on a regular basis I'd set up some kind of system with pre built images but for now its impractical and unnecessary. A poor IT set up will not have rapid deployment systems.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery , connection and admin .
Where 's the problem here ?
Depends how well your IT is set up .
At my old job I could roll a freshly re-imaged laptop out in 45 minutes , on desk and ready to use ( SOE only so excluding additional software ) .
My current job is a much smaller operation so all re-imaging is done manually , this takes 3 to 6 hours per machine .
If I actually had to re-image on a regular basis I 'd set up some kind of system with pre built images but for now its impractical and unnecessary .
A poor IT set up will not have rapid deployment systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery, connection and admin.
Where's the problem here?
Depends how well your IT is set up.
At my old job I could roll a freshly re-imaged laptop out in 45 minutes, on desk and ready to use (SOE only so excluding additional software).
My current job is a much smaller operation so all re-imaging is done manually, this takes 3 to 6 hours per machine.
If I actually had to re-image on a regular basis I'd set up some kind of system with pre built images but for now its impractical and unnecessary.
A poor IT set up will not have rapid deployment systems.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174712</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175678</id>
	<title>Get an incident handler in there</title>
	<author>mikep554</author>
	<datestamp>1265017680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA: "... the city found that the system serving as the distribution point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... was a print server. However, an exact copy of the malware on that server may never be recovered, as city computer technicians quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server."</p><p>Ok, if I have a single workstation with "AntiVirus 2009", I will probably nuke it without a second thought. If one of my servers has been commandeered to serve as the command and control channel for a worm that just ate 800 of my PCs, I SURE AS HELL AM GOING TO GET A dd OR OTHER FORENSICALLY SOUND IMAGE OF THE MACHINE BEFORE I WIPE IT!!!!!!!!! For crying out loud, they contacted the FBI, but they just destroyed what could have been the single most important piece of evidence! Do they have a Best Buy in Norfolk? For $100 they could have brought the machine up on a clean hard disk and set the existing one aside for forensic examination without wasting the time of taking an image of the drive.</p><p>Also, they have no idea how the attack occurred, but they are sure it didn't come from the internet. Any evidence to back that up? It's one thing to say it probably didn't come from the internet because our logs show no traffic to support that possibility. It's ridiculous to make that same statement based on a gut feel.</p><p>If this article is accurate, these guys are playing amateur hour IT security. Their first action should have been to contact a qualified incident handler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : " ... the city found that the system serving as the distribution point ... was a print server .
However , an exact copy of the malware on that server may never be recovered , as city computer technicians quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server .
" Ok , if I have a single workstation with " AntiVirus 2009 " , I will probably nuke it without a second thought .
If one of my servers has been commandeered to serve as the command and control channel for a worm that just ate 800 of my PCs , I SURE AS HELL AM GOING TO GET A dd OR OTHER FORENSICALLY SOUND IMAGE OF THE MACHINE BEFORE I WIPE IT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
For crying out loud , they contacted the FBI , but they just destroyed what could have been the single most important piece of evidence !
Do they have a Best Buy in Norfolk ?
For $ 100 they could have brought the machine up on a clean hard disk and set the existing one aside for forensic examination without wasting the time of taking an image of the drive.Also , they have no idea how the attack occurred , but they are sure it did n't come from the internet .
Any evidence to back that up ?
It 's one thing to say it probably did n't come from the internet because our logs show no traffic to support that possibility .
It 's ridiculous to make that same statement based on a gut feel.If this article is accurate , these guys are playing amateur hour IT security .
Their first action should have been to contact a qualified incident handler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: "... the city found that the system serving as the distribution point ... was a print server.
However, an exact copy of the malware on that server may never be recovered, as city computer technicians quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server.
"Ok, if I have a single workstation with "AntiVirus 2009", I will probably nuke it without a second thought.
If one of my servers has been commandeered to serve as the command and control channel for a worm that just ate 800 of my PCs, I SURE AS HELL AM GOING TO GET A dd OR OTHER FORENSICALLY SOUND IMAGE OF THE MACHINE BEFORE I WIPE IT!!!!!!!!!
For crying out loud, they contacted the FBI, but they just destroyed what could have been the single most important piece of evidence!
Do they have a Best Buy in Norfolk?
For $100 they could have brought the machine up on a clean hard disk and set the existing one aside for forensic examination without wasting the time of taking an image of the drive.Also, they have no idea how the attack occurred, but they are sure it didn't come from the internet.
Any evidence to back that up?
It's one thing to say it probably didn't come from the internet because our logs show no traffic to support that possibility.
It's ridiculous to make that same statement based on a gut feel.If this article is accurate, these guys are playing amateur hour IT security.
Their first action should have been to contact a qualified incident handler.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175422</id>
	<title>Remind me the next time I write malware...</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1265016900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>* Check every few seconds to see if network goes down<br>* Write a bogus entry in the log files that points to some oddball behavior, like a disk-read error or something<br>* If network is down freeze screen so it looks like computer just locked up<br>* Ignore all input<br>* Wipe key parts of disk so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult<br>* Wipe key parts of memory so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult<br>* Wipe key parts of cache so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult<br>* Force or fake a BSOD screen so a casual user will think his computer crashed and blame any resulting data loss on the crash</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* Check every few seconds to see if network goes down * Write a bogus entry in the log files that points to some oddball behavior , like a disk-read error or something * If network is down freeze screen so it looks like computer just locked up * Ignore all input * Wipe key parts of disk so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult * Wipe key parts of memory so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult * Wipe key parts of cache so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult * Force or fake a BSOD screen so a casual user will think his computer crashed and blame any resulting data loss on the crash</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* Check every few seconds to see if network goes down* Write a bogus entry in the log files that points to some oddball behavior, like a disk-read error or something* If network is down freeze screen so it looks like computer just locked up* Ignore all input* Wipe key parts of disk so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult* Wipe key parts of memory so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult* Wipe key parts of cache so forensic recovery is impossible or at least very difficult* Force or fake a BSOD screen so a casual user will think his computer crashed and blame any resulting data loss on the crash</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31183042</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1266501840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>theres also sterorytype of the norfolk native.

"I cant read or write but I can drive a trakter"</htmltext>
<tokenext>theres also sterorytype of the norfolk native .
" I cant read or write but I can drive a trakter "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>theres also sterorytype of the norfolk native.
"I cant read or write but I can drive a trakter"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31186350</id>
	<title>Nope: Nancy</title>
	<author>drainbramage</author>
	<datestamp>1266515940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The teams name was NcGill.<br>They called themselves Lill.<br>But everyone knew them as Nancy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The teams name was NcGill.They called themselves Lill.But everyone knew them as Nancy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The teams name was NcGill.They called themselves Lill.But everyone knew them as Nancy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175630</id>
	<title>Re:No explaination</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1265017560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That requires skilled IT workers.  Hell I can build a linux boot CD or USB drive that will boot up, mount the NTFS partition and copy all *.doc, *.xls, *.ppt, etc files to a waiting fileserver.  You could recover all the data on 800 machine in one weekend. add in a simple prompt to ask for the pc name or username for that user and no need to even sort through the files.</p><p>Heck if you did your imaging right, the same disk can also start the reimage of the drive from the image repository on the network so It's all automatic.  8 IT grunts and 1 admin working a really long weekend, 2, 12 hour shifts each day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That requires skilled IT workers .
Hell I can build a linux boot CD or USB drive that will boot up , mount the NTFS partition and copy all * .doc , * .xls , * .ppt , etc files to a waiting fileserver .
You could recover all the data on 800 machine in one weekend .
add in a simple prompt to ask for the pc name or username for that user and no need to even sort through the files.Heck if you did your imaging right , the same disk can also start the reimage of the drive from the image repository on the network so It 's all automatic .
8 IT grunts and 1 admin working a really long weekend , 2 , 12 hour shifts each day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That requires skilled IT workers.
Hell I can build a linux boot CD or USB drive that will boot up, mount the NTFS partition and copy all *.doc, *.xls, *.ppt, etc files to a waiting fileserver.
You could recover all the data on 800 machine in one weekend.
add in a simple prompt to ask for the pc name or username for that user and no need to even sort through the files.Heck if you did your imaging right, the same disk can also start the reimage of the drive from the image repository on the network so It's all automatic.
8 IT grunts and 1 admin working a really long weekend, 2, 12 hour shifts each day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174926</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265015280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess that's what you get for storing your data in System32!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess that 's what you get for storing your data in System32 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess that's what you get for storing your data in System32!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174366</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174690</id>
	<title>Re:Essentially destroyed?</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1265057580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You got it.  it's also a great example of how incompetent most City's IT staff are,  Hey municipalities... you get what you pay for.  How's those $25,000 a year IT staff working out for ya?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got it .
it 's also a great example of how incompetent most City 's IT staff are , Hey municipalities... you get what you pay for .
How 's those $ 25,000 a year IT staff working out for ya ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got it.
it's also a great example of how incompetent most City's IT staff are,  Hey municipalities... you get what you pay for.
How's those $25,000 a year IT staff working out for ya?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174346</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175080</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>cosm</author>
	<datestamp>1265015760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"destroyed data on nearly 800 computers citywide"</i>. <br> <br>

By corrupting the Windows System32 folder install they lost their own files? Did the malware delete some key file that prevents Window's from hosing the disk and crushing the MFT and/or MBR? I doubt it. The OS installs may be unrecoverable, but the article / spokes people seem to jump the gun by stating such generalizations like "destroyed data" and "essentially destroyed these machines". I imagine that actual "data" of importance is still recoverable via external means, and that a quick reformat will make the machine quite OK again. <br> <br>Maybe this is good incentive for them to install Linux, now that they have a ~800 machine testbed to work with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" destroyed data on nearly 800 computers citywide " .
By corrupting the Windows System32 folder install they lost their own files ?
Did the malware delete some key file that prevents Window 's from hosing the disk and crushing the MFT and/or MBR ?
I doubt it .
The OS installs may be unrecoverable , but the article / spokes people seem to jump the gun by stating such generalizations like " destroyed data " and " essentially destroyed these machines " .
I imagine that actual " data " of importance is still recoverable via external means , and that a quick reformat will make the machine quite OK again .
Maybe this is good incentive for them to install Linux , now that they have a ~ 800 machine testbed to work with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"destroyed data on nearly 800 computers citywide".
By corrupting the Windows System32 folder install they lost their own files?
Did the malware delete some key file that prevents Window's from hosing the disk and crushing the MFT and/or MBR?
I doubt it.
The OS installs may be unrecoverable, but the article / spokes people seem to jump the gun by stating such generalizations like "destroyed data" and "essentially destroyed these machines".
I imagine that actual "data" of importance is still recoverable via external means, and that a quick reformat will make the machine quite OK again.
Maybe this is good incentive for them to install Linux, now that they have a ~800 machine testbed to work with.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174622</id>
	<title>This is more common than people think</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have seen time bombs left behind by two types of people when being called in as a consultant to deal with the aftermath:</p><p>1:  The disgruntled employee.  He leaves a hidden file that if not touched in 2-3 weeks will start wreaking havoc.  I've even seen modified binaries of tar and such that encrypt the files, so even backups are trashed.</p><p>2:  Someone wanting to frame another person.  I've seen this done by clients of other consultants who do not want to pay the consulting fee.  So they put a logic bomb in.  The admin that left gets blamed and faces jail time.  In this scenario, it is a word against word issue almost always, and juries tend to believe business owners far more than the admin who got railroaded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen time bombs left behind by two types of people when being called in as a consultant to deal with the aftermath : 1 : The disgruntled employee .
He leaves a hidden file that if not touched in 2-3 weeks will start wreaking havoc .
I 've even seen modified binaries of tar and such that encrypt the files , so even backups are trashed.2 : Someone wanting to frame another person .
I 've seen this done by clients of other consultants who do not want to pay the consulting fee .
So they put a logic bomb in .
The admin that left gets blamed and faces jail time .
In this scenario , it is a word against word issue almost always , and juries tend to believe business owners far more than the admin who got railroaded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen time bombs left behind by two types of people when being called in as a consultant to deal with the aftermath:1:  The disgruntled employee.
He leaves a hidden file that if not touched in 2-3 weeks will start wreaking havoc.
I've even seen modified binaries of tar and such that encrypt the files, so even backups are trashed.2:  Someone wanting to frame another person.
I've seen this done by clients of other consultants who do not want to pay the consulting fee.
So they put a logic bomb in.
The admin that left gets blamed and faces jail time.
In this scenario, it is a word against word issue almost always, and juries tend to believe business owners far more than the admin who got railroaded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31183822</id>
	<title>Re:I live in VA Beach</title>
	<author>coastal984</author>
	<datestamp>1266505980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WAVY had it on the news, the emphasis was also clearly on "No personal data was stolen". It wasn't a particularly in depth report, however, would you expect normal local network news to give anything other than an "It Happened" glazeover?</htmltext>
<tokenext>WAVY had it on the news , the emphasis was also clearly on " No personal data was stolen " .
It was n't a particularly in depth report , however , would you expect normal local network news to give anything other than an " It Happened " glazeover ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WAVY had it on the news, the emphasis was also clearly on "No personal data was stolen".
It wasn't a particularly in depth report, however, would you expect normal local network news to give anything other than an "It Happened" glazeover?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31184170</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266507660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone that lives right by Buena Vista (Iowa)  I've only head it pronounced Bew-nah Vista I had to ask around till I found a non native to explain it to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone that lives right by Buena Vista ( Iowa ) I 've only head it pronounced Bew-nah Vista I had to ask around till I found a non native to explain it to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone that lives right by Buena Vista (Iowa)  I've only head it pronounced Bew-nah Vista I had to ask around till I found a non native to explain it to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176322</id>
	<title>Re:Look, if you're the IT guy and this happens</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1265019900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You just restore the image from a ghost backup without worrying about the data because the data is stored (by policy) on the servers.  What? A user ignored that policy?  Tough luck for him.</p></div><p>Exactly.  No IT department is about to waste much time and effort on recovering data from individual PCs.  Yes, you could script much of it but you're still going to have to reimage the things and running that script takes time away from the reimaging process.</p><p>If anything, this could be a blessing in disguise - the admin who's been saying for years "Why do we even leave it physically possible to write to the local hard disk on desktop PCs when the policy states clearly that files get stored on the server?" might now be able to enforce this policy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just restore the image from a ghost backup without worrying about the data because the data is stored ( by policy ) on the servers .
What ? A user ignored that policy ?
Tough luck for him.Exactly .
No IT department is about to waste much time and effort on recovering data from individual PCs .
Yes , you could script much of it but you 're still going to have to reimage the things and running that script takes time away from the reimaging process.If anything , this could be a blessing in disguise - the admin who 's been saying for years " Why do we even leave it physically possible to write to the local hard disk on desktop PCs when the policy states clearly that files get stored on the server ?
" might now be able to enforce this policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just restore the image from a ghost backup without worrying about the data because the data is stored (by policy) on the servers.
What? A user ignored that policy?
Tough luck for him.Exactly.
No IT department is about to waste much time and effort on recovering data from individual PCs.
Yes, you could script much of it but you're still going to have to reimage the things and running that script takes time away from the reimaging process.If anything, this could be a blessing in disguise - the admin who's been saying for years "Why do we even leave it physically possible to write to the local hard disk on desktop PCs when the policy states clearly that files get stored on the server?
" might now be able to enforce this policy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175392</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1265016780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn, with a friendly IT department like that, Norfolk don't need enemy malware.</p><p>Even a simple Windows Repair Install would have fixed the machines and kept the data files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , with a friendly IT department like that , Norfolk do n't need enemy malware.Even a simple Windows Repair Install would have fixed the machines and kept the data files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, with a friendly IT department like that, Norfolk don't need enemy malware.Even a simple Windows Repair Install would have fixed the machines and kept the data files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176200</id>
	<title>Re:Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>epp\_b</author>
	<datestamp>1265019480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When a system is compromised you physically unplug it from the network and keep it powered on so that you can run forensics on it.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Isn't the best thing to do image it, rebuild it, get it running, restore the image on duplicate test hardware <i>then</i> do forensics?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When a system is compromised you physically unplug it from the network and keep it powered on so that you can run forensics on it .
Is n't the best thing to do image it , rebuild it , get it running , restore the image on duplicate test hardware then do forensics ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a system is compromised you physically unplug it from the network and keep it powered on so that you can run forensics on it.
Isn't the best thing to do image it, rebuild it, get it running, restore the image on duplicate test hardware then do forensics?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31189354</id>
	<title>Re:More Horrid Pronounciations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266526320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Common mispronunciations heard in rural Ohio:<br>
worsh, worshington<br>
arn for iron<br>
crick for creek</htmltext>
<tokenext>Common mispronunciations heard in rural Ohio : worsh , worshington arn for iron crick for creek</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Common mispronunciations heard in rural Ohio:
worsh, worshington
arn for iron
crick for creek</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176980</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>nlindstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1265022660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why, oh why, do rogue sysadmins always wear rouge? You'd think rogue sysadmins would find that rather gay, but no! They all wear rouge!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why , oh why , do rogue sysadmins always wear rouge ?
You 'd think rogue sysadmins would find that rather gay , but no !
They all wear rouge !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why, oh why, do rogue sysadmins always wear rouge?
You'd think rogue sysadmins would find that rather gay, but no!
They all wear rouge!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174842</id>
	<title>Re:I live in VA Beach</title>
	<author>YrWrstNtmr</author>
	<datestamp>1265014980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>(I also don't watch local TV news, so I don't know if they mentioned it)</i> <br> <br>It was mentioned on the Tuesday (I believe) news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( I also do n't watch local TV news , so I do n't know if they mentioned it ) It was mentioned on the Tuesday ( I believe ) news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(I also don't watch local TV news, so I don't know if they mentioned it)  It was mentioned on the Tuesday (I believe) news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174214</id>
	<title>Essentially destroyed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whatever it was, it essentially destroyed these machines.</p></div><p>Unless this time bomb was something from the 90's like Win32.CIH and nuked the bios, I doubt that the computers are "essentially destroyed"</p><p>You guys have backups, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever it was , it essentially destroyed these machines.Unless this time bomb was something from the 90 's like Win32.CIH and nuked the bios , I doubt that the computers are " essentially destroyed " You guys have backups , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever it was, it essentially destroyed these machines.Unless this time bomb was something from the 90's like Win32.CIH and nuked the bios, I doubt that the computers are "essentially destroyed"You guys have backups, right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174242</id>
	<title>I live in VA Beach</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1265056020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in VA Beach, which is the next city down the road (I live a few blocks from exist 20 264, and down-town Norfolk is exit 13ish), and I work in a security-related position, so we tend to keep up on news like this, but this is the first I'm hearing of it, though it looks to have gone down last week (apparently the boot.ini files were modified between 16:30 and 17:30 on 9 February, and only the computers which rebooted during that time period were affected).<br><br>It doesn't sound like the attack was particularly complex or anything, so maybe that's why it isn't exactly "newsworthy" (I also don't watch local TV news, so I don't know if they mentioned it), but still, sucks for them.  I hope they have good backup policies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in VA Beach , which is the next city down the road ( I live a few blocks from exist 20 264 , and down-town Norfolk is exit 13ish ) , and I work in a security-related position , so we tend to keep up on news like this , but this is the first I 'm hearing of it , though it looks to have gone down last week ( apparently the boot.ini files were modified between 16 : 30 and 17 : 30 on 9 February , and only the computers which rebooted during that time period were affected ) .It does n't sound like the attack was particularly complex or anything , so maybe that 's why it is n't exactly " newsworthy " ( I also do n't watch local TV news , so I do n't know if they mentioned it ) , but still , sucks for them .
I hope they have good backup policies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in VA Beach, which is the next city down the road (I live a few blocks from exist 20 264, and down-town Norfolk is exit 13ish), and I work in a security-related position, so we tend to keep up on news like this, but this is the first I'm hearing of it, though it looks to have gone down last week (apparently the boot.ini files were modified between 16:30 and 17:30 on 9 February, and only the computers which rebooted during that time period were affected).It doesn't sound like the attack was particularly complex or anything, so maybe that's why it isn't exactly "newsworthy" (I also don't watch local TV news, so I don't know if they mentioned it), but still, sucks for them.
I hope they have good backup policies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175350</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1265016600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can reimage hundreds of computers in a few hours. It all depends on their uniformity and operating systems. Windows has to be imaged on similar hardware or they will BSOD even if they have been sysprepped, for Linux and Mac any image will work on any machine (given you have a fairly standard modular kernel and the architecture stays the same).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can reimage hundreds of computers in a few hours .
It all depends on their uniformity and operating systems .
Windows has to be imaged on similar hardware or they will BSOD even if they have been sysprepped , for Linux and Mac any image will work on any machine ( given you have a fairly standard modular kernel and the architecture stays the same ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can reimage hundreds of computers in a few hours.
It all depends on their uniformity and operating systems.
Windows has to be imaged on similar hardware or they will BSOD even if they have been sysprepped, for Linux and Mac any image will work on any machine (given you have a fairly standard modular kernel and the architecture stays the same).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174500</id>
	<title>Re:No explaination</title>
	<author>NevarMore</author>
	<datestamp>1265056980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because their computers used a CDROM based on a Flahbersen 3401-B chipset and Linux only has drivers for the 3401-A chipset if you set the ARS\_BOGGLE compile flag.</p><p>In all seriousness, its because there are 800 computers, unspecified if they're servers or desktops, and it takes a LOT of time to recover that many machines. Varying speed depending on if you just need to recover My Documents (which should have been on a network share anyway) or the whole disk or just files requested by users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because their computers used a CDROM based on a Flahbersen 3401-B chipset and Linux only has drivers for the 3401-A chipset if you set the ARS \ _BOGGLE compile flag.In all seriousness , its because there are 800 computers , unspecified if they 're servers or desktops , and it takes a LOT of time to recover that many machines .
Varying speed depending on if you just need to recover My Documents ( which should have been on a network share anyway ) or the whole disk or just files requested by users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because their computers used a CDROM based on a Flahbersen 3401-B chipset and Linux only has drivers for the 3401-A chipset if you set the ARS\_BOGGLE compile flag.In all seriousness, its because there are 800 computers, unspecified if they're servers or desktops, and it takes a LOT of time to recover that many machines.
Varying speed depending on if you just need to recover My Documents (which should have been on a network share anyway) or the whole disk or just files requested by users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176612</id>
	<title>Re:$20 says...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265021100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, I'll take you up on that.</p><p>They figure it out, I get $20. Otherwise, we wait until never comes around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I 'll take you up on that.They figure it out , I get $ 20 .
Otherwise , we wait until never comes around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I'll take you up on that.They figure it out, I get $20.
Otherwise, we wait until never comes around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175028</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265015640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many machines can <b>you</b> reimage in a day?  Even if you only do one at a time, I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.  If you have an entire office full, ready connected up to the network, you just have to pop in a CD (if you even need one) start the PC and move on.  A couple of dozen people could do that lot in a weekends worth of overtime.</p><p>Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery, connection and admin.  Where's the problem here?</p></div><p>PXE boot + Multicast in Ghost server.  I can do all the computers on the LAN in about 10 minutes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many machines can you reimage in a day ?
Even if you only do one at a time , I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day .
If you have an entire office full , ready connected up to the network , you just have to pop in a CD ( if you even need one ) start the PC and move on .
A couple of dozen people could do that lot in a weekends worth of overtime.Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery , connection and admin .
Where 's the problem here ? PXE boot + Multicast in Ghost server .
I can do all the computers on the LAN in about 10 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many machines can you reimage in a day?
Even if you only do one at a time, I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.
If you have an entire office full, ready connected up to the network, you just have to pop in a CD (if you even need one) start the PC and move on.
A couple of dozen people could do that lot in a weekends worth of overtime.Most of the time I spend on rolling out a new PC is delivery, connection and admin.
Where's the problem here?PXE boot + Multicast in Ghost server.
I can do all the computers on the LAN in about 10 minutes.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175850</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>imagoon</author>
	<datestamp>1265018280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last batch of 25 PC's I imaged were imaged 4 at a time in less than a day.  Would have been less had I actually been in the office when they completed.  I was out in the office doing other stuff.  At the desks would be even easier as I would just network boot them in to the imaging software and let the autoscript take over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last batch of 25 PC 's I imaged were imaged 4 at a time in less than a day .
Would have been less had I actually been in the office when they completed .
I was out in the office doing other stuff .
At the desks would be even easier as I would just network boot them in to the imaging software and let the autoscript take over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last batch of 25 PC's I imaged were imaged 4 at a time in less than a day.
Would have been less had I actually been in the office when they completed.
I was out in the office doing other stuff.
At the desks would be even easier as I would just network boot them in to the imaging software and let the autoscript take over.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176098</id>
	<title>IT Department budget history</title>
	<author>debile</author>
	<datestamp>1265019120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be interesting to see the evolution of the department's budget in the last few years.</p><p>It wouldn't surprise me that they got ride if their best assets and replaced them with cheaper guys with less than the required experience just to "reduce operating cost". They may have saved a few dollars during a year or two doing that but the shit had to spread one day...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be interesting to see the evolution of the department 's budget in the last few years.It would n't surprise me that they got ride if their best assets and replaced them with cheaper guys with less than the required experience just to " reduce operating cost " .
They may have saved a few dollars during a year or two doing that but the shit had to spread one day.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be interesting to see the evolution of the department's budget in the last few years.It wouldn't surprise me that they got ride if their best assets and replaced them with cheaper guys with less than the required experience just to "reduce operating cost".
They may have saved a few dollars during a year or two doing that but the shit had to spread one day...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176188</id>
	<title>Re:Overtime?</title>
	<author>nabsltd</author>
	<datestamp>1265019420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many machines can <b>you</b> reimage in a day?  Even if you only do one at a time, I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.</p></div><p>It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to re-image a machine, unless the image is far larger than it really should be.</p><p>With a DL DVD-R, you can store about a 15GB image (using compression) along with the bootloader and imaging software.  Pop in the disc, boot up and maybe click a few wizard "Next &gt;" buttons.</p><p>While one tech starts re-imaging, another can burn extra copies of the imaging DVD-R if there aren't enough to do the job quickly.  Then, just hand disks to every employee as they come in and let them re-image their own machine.  OK, so that's a little silly, but with 10 or so copies of the disk, it should be possible to re-image over 150 computers a day, even for just one tech.  By the 2nd day, you should be up to 30-40 copies of the image DVD-R, and so the whole job shouldn't take more than 3 working days.  So, three techs on a 24-hour shift should have you up and running again on 800 machines.</p><p>This all assumes no attempt at data recovery.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many machines can you reimage in a day ?
Even if you only do one at a time , I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.It should n't take more than 30 minutes to re-image a machine , unless the image is far larger than it really should be.With a DL DVD-R , you can store about a 15GB image ( using compression ) along with the bootloader and imaging software .
Pop in the disc , boot up and maybe click a few wizard " Next &gt; " buttons.While one tech starts re-imaging , another can burn extra copies of the imaging DVD-R if there are n't enough to do the job quickly .
Then , just hand disks to every employee as they come in and let them re-image their own machine .
OK , so that 's a little silly , but with 10 or so copies of the disk , it should be possible to re-image over 150 computers a day , even for just one tech .
By the 2nd day , you should be up to 30-40 copies of the image DVD-R , and so the whole job should n't take more than 3 working days .
So , three techs on a 24-hour shift should have you up and running again on 800 machines.This all assumes no attempt at data recovery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many machines can you reimage in a day?
Even if you only do one at a time, I imagine you could do 4 or 5 in a working day.It shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to re-image a machine, unless the image is far larger than it really should be.With a DL DVD-R, you can store about a 15GB image (using compression) along with the bootloader and imaging software.
Pop in the disc, boot up and maybe click a few wizard "Next &gt;" buttons.While one tech starts re-imaging, another can burn extra copies of the imaging DVD-R if there aren't enough to do the job quickly.
Then, just hand disks to every employee as they come in and let them re-image their own machine.
OK, so that's a little silly, but with 10 or so copies of the disk, it should be possible to re-image over 150 computers a day, even for just one tech.
By the 2nd day, you should be up to 30-40 copies of the image DVD-R, and so the whole job shouldn't take more than 3 working days.
So, three techs on a 24-hour shift should have you up and running again on 800 machines.This all assumes no attempt at data recovery.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176430</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265020440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I've heard it pronounced Nar-Fuck and Nor-Fuck as well in Hampton Roads.  It's "fuck"-ing consistent at least.  Lets not forget Suh-Fuck, Ass-a-Woman, and Ass-a-Teag as well.  Then there's K-pr0n. And, quite frankly, I don't know what to make of Roaches Corner.  While not nearly an explicative, the upper class town that sprung up in the 90s is called Pa-Koh-Sen.</p><p>Then up in NoVa, there's Man-Asses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I 've heard it pronounced Nar-Fuck and Nor-Fuck as well in Hampton Roads .
It 's " fuck " -ing consistent at least .
Lets not forget Suh-Fuck , Ass-a-Woman , and Ass-a-Teag as well .
Then there 's K-pr0n .
And , quite frankly , I do n't know what to make of Roaches Corner .
While not nearly an explicative , the upper class town that sprung up in the 90s is called Pa-Koh-Sen.Then up in NoVa , there 's Man-Asses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I've heard it pronounced Nar-Fuck and Nor-Fuck as well in Hampton Roads.
It's "fuck"-ing consistent at least.
Lets not forget Suh-Fuck, Ass-a-Woman, and Ass-a-Teag as well.
Then there's K-pr0n.
And, quite frankly, I don't know what to make of Roaches Corner.
While not nearly an explicative, the upper class town that sprung up in the 90s is called Pa-Koh-Sen.Then up in NoVa, there's Man-Asses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175798</id>
	<title>Cover up for the corruption present in Norfolk?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265018100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just saying... I live nearby and it is well accepted the Norfolk, VA has an incredible amount of corruption. My first thought on reading this as a local was, "wow, that's a pretty creative way to cover your tracks..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just saying... I live nearby and it is well accepted the Norfolk , VA has an incredible amount of corruption .
My first thought on reading this as a local was , " wow , that 's a pretty creative way to cover your tracks... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just saying... I live nearby and it is well accepted the Norfolk, VA has an incredible amount of corruption.
My first thought on reading this as a local was, "wow, that's a pretty creative way to cover your tracks..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175676</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1265017680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That town's name was mangled due to miscommunication.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk,\_Nebraska" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk,\_Nebraska</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p><i>The original name of the colony was a variant of "North Fork", but accounts differ on the exact name: "Northfork", "Nor'fork", and "Nordfork" are all suggested. The name was submitted to federal postal authorities, and at some point was transmuted to "Norfolk". The pronunciation "Norfork" is still used by many Nebraskans.</i></p><p>They should change the spelling to match the pronunciation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That town 's name was mangled due to miscommunication.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk , \ _Nebraska [ wikipedia.org ] The original name of the colony was a variant of " North Fork " , but accounts differ on the exact name : " Northfork " , " Nor'fork " , and " Nordfork " are all suggested .
The name was submitted to federal postal authorities , and at some point was transmuted to " Norfolk " .
The pronunciation " Norfork " is still used by many Nebraskans.They should change the spelling to match the pronunciation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That town's name was mangled due to miscommunication.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk,\_Nebraska [wikipedia.org]The original name of the colony was a variant of "North Fork", but accounts differ on the exact name: "Northfork", "Nor'fork", and "Nordfork" are all suggested.
The name was submitted to federal postal authorities, and at some point was transmuted to "Norfolk".
The pronunciation "Norfork" is still used by many Nebraskans.They should change the spelling to match the pronunciation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175018</id>
	<title>Norfolk High School Cheer</title>
	<author>ideonexus</author>
	<datestamp>1265015580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We don't drink!<br>
We don't cuss!<br>
Norfolk! Norfolk! Norfolk!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't drink !
We do n't cuss !
Norfolk ! Norfolk !
Norfolk !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't drink!
We don't cuss!
Norfolk! Norfolk!
Norfolk!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176256</id>
	<title>no major problems</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1265019660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Re-worked summary of TFA:<br>
- All that has been damaged is the System32 folder of user machines.<br>
- 'Destroyed' I imagine is an IT staff trying to dumb down his language to his perception of the level of the reporter's IT knowledge<br>
- Their IT may have done quite well, the only 'damage' is to PCs that were shut down in the 1 hour window between the attack starting and IT containing it<br>
- Employees were supposed to save to the network. The only issue stated is that some staff were breaking the rules and saved things to their own PC.</p><p>All they need to do with the affected machines is to boot from a Windows or Linux CD, copy the files to memory stick and throw their standard "new install" image on. No data loss. No network down time. All they're looking at is some hassle for the ~ 18\% of users affected and a very busy IT department. Provided the affected users have other machines to work on (or however not losing much productivity) they're not far off having the best scenario any It department can realistically hope for (well, I'd like to say it's reasonable to hope for not having pissed off employees). Sure, no doubt a dozen IT managers can post their "perfect" system, and another dozen IT managers can show how they could destroy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Re-worked summary of TFA : - All that has been damaged is the System32 folder of user machines .
- 'Destroyed ' I imagine is an IT staff trying to dumb down his language to his perception of the level of the reporter 's IT knowledge - Their IT may have done quite well , the only 'damage ' is to PCs that were shut down in the 1 hour window between the attack starting and IT containing it - Employees were supposed to save to the network .
The only issue stated is that some staff were breaking the rules and saved things to their own PC.All they need to do with the affected machines is to boot from a Windows or Linux CD , copy the files to memory stick and throw their standard " new install " image on .
No data loss .
No network down time .
All they 're looking at is some hassle for the ~ 18 \ % of users affected and a very busy IT department .
Provided the affected users have other machines to work on ( or however not losing much productivity ) they 're not far off having the best scenario any It department can realistically hope for ( well , I 'd like to say it 's reasonable to hope for not having pissed off employees ) .
Sure , no doubt a dozen IT managers can post their " perfect " system , and another dozen IT managers can show how they could destroy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re-worked summary of TFA:
- All that has been damaged is the System32 folder of user machines.
- 'Destroyed' I imagine is an IT staff trying to dumb down his language to his perception of the level of the reporter's IT knowledge
- Their IT may have done quite well, the only 'damage' is to PCs that were shut down in the 1 hour window between the attack starting and IT containing it
- Employees were supposed to save to the network.
The only issue stated is that some staff were breaking the rules and saved things to their own PC.All they need to do with the affected machines is to boot from a Windows or Linux CD, copy the files to memory stick and throw their standard "new install" image on.
No data loss.
No network down time.
All they're looking at is some hassle for the ~ 18\% of users affected and a very busy IT department.
Provided the affected users have other machines to work on (or however not losing much productivity) they're not far off having the best scenario any It department can realistically hope for (well, I'd like to say it's reasonable to hope for not having pissed off employees).
Sure, no doubt a dozen IT managers can post their "perfect" system, and another dozen IT managers can show how they could destroy it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174158</id>
	<title>Not only that, someone's going to jail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>for making bomb threats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>for making bomb threats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for making bomb threats.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175652</id>
	<title>I think Arizona takes the cake</title>
	<author>knarfling</author>
	<datestamp>1265017620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that Arizona, with its odd mix of Indian, Spanish, English and who-knows-what takes the cake with odd spellings and pronunciations. <br> <br>Ft. Huachuca (Wa-chu-ka)<br>
Mogollon Rim (Mo-gee-yawn)<br>
Tempe (Tem-pee)<br>
Canyon de Chelly (dee-shay)<br>
<br> <br>On the other hand, I spent some time in Pueblo, Colorado where about 1/4 of those born there pronounced it Pee-eb-lo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that Arizona , with its odd mix of Indian , Spanish , English and who-knows-what takes the cake with odd spellings and pronunciations .
Ft. Huachuca ( Wa-chu-ka ) Mogollon Rim ( Mo-gee-yawn ) Tempe ( Tem-pee ) Canyon de Chelly ( dee-shay ) On the other hand , I spent some time in Pueblo , Colorado where about 1/4 of those born there pronounced it Pee-eb-lo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that Arizona, with its odd mix of Indian, Spanish, English and who-knows-what takes the cake with odd spellings and pronunciations.
Ft. Huachuca (Wa-chu-ka)
Mogollon Rim (Mo-gee-yawn)
Tempe (Tem-pee)
Canyon de Chelly (dee-shay)
 On the other hand, I spent some time in Pueblo, Colorado where about 1/4 of those born there pronounced it Pee-eb-lo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174316</id>
	<title>It took them a week to notice?</title>
	<author>flaming error</author>
	<datestamp>1265056260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; We don't know how it got into our system... We speculate...</p><p>As long as we're speculating, may I nominate last week's "Operation Cyber Storm" (http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/press\_release\_0853.shtm).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; We do n't know how it got into our system... We speculate...As long as we 're speculating , may I nominate last week 's " Operation Cyber Storm " ( http : //www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/press \ _release \ _0853.shtm ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; We don't know how it got into our system... We speculate...As long as we're speculating, may I nominate last week's "Operation Cyber Storm" (http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/press\_release\_0853.shtm).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31185280</id>
	<title>Re:I live in VA Beach</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1266511920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was an article in the Wednesday Virginian-Pilot about an IT problem like this in Virginia Beach, but not Norfolk. BTW, it was VB that was caught in a major audit over MS licenses and wasted my tax money on re-buying additional licenses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an article in the Wednesday Virginian-Pilot about an IT problem like this in Virginia Beach , but not Norfolk .
BTW , it was VB that was caught in a major audit over MS licenses and wasted my tax money on re-buying additional licenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an article in the Wednesday Virginian-Pilot about an IT problem like this in Virginia Beach, but not Norfolk.
BTW, it was VB that was caught in a major audit over MS licenses and wasted my tax money on re-buying additional licenses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174494</id>
	<title>I bet they just got Religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you can just restore from backup right?</p><p>Right?</p><p>Please don't look at me that way!  You <em>do</em> have backups, don't you?</p><p>I myself have a RAID 5 and two large external hard drives.  Once a week I swap the external on my desk with the one I keep in a bank safe deposit.</p><p>But it took the loss of the third drive of my career before I got Religion myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you can just restore from backup right ? Right ? Please do n't look at me that way !
You do have backups , do n't you ? I myself have a RAID 5 and two large external hard drives .
Once a week I swap the external on my desk with the one I keep in a bank safe deposit.But it took the loss of the third drive of my career before I got Religion myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you can just restore from backup right?Right?Please don't look at me that way!
You do have backups, don't you?I myself have a RAID 5 and two large external hard drives.
Once a week I swap the external on my desk with the one I keep in a bank safe deposit.But it took the loss of the third drive of my career before I got Religion myself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176882</id>
	<title>Re:Feh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265022180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Windows XP the "My documents" and "desktop" directory are not located in the system32 directory. Are they running Windows 98, or do there 1337 users hide all there files in system32 ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Windows XP the " My documents " and " desktop " directory are not located in the system32 directory .
Are they running Windows 98 , or do there 1337 users hide all there files in system32 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Windows XP the "My documents" and "desktop" directory are not located in the system32 directory.
Are they running Windows 98, or do there 1337 users hide all there files in system32 ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180832</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>WeatherGod</author>
	<datestamp>1265051340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh, I remember going to Boston and being told to look up "Wor-ster" on the map.  You can imagine my disbelief when -- having asked for the spelling -- beiing shown a road sign with it spelled out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , I remember going to Boston and being told to look up " Wor-ster " on the map .
You can imagine my disbelief when -- having asked for the spelling -- beiing shown a road sign with it spelled out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, I remember going to Boston and being told to look up "Wor-ster" on the map.
You can imagine my disbelief when -- having asked for the spelling -- beiing shown a road sign with it spelled out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178518</id>
	<title>Paula Bean was working there?</title>
	<author>140Mandak262Jamuna</author>
	<datestamp>1265029740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The\_Brillant\_Paula\_Bean.aspx" title="thedailywtf.com"> Paula Bean </a> [thedailywtf.com] was working there? May be?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paula Bean [ thedailywtf.com ] was working there ?
May be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Paula Bean  [thedailywtf.com] was working there?
May be?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176190</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing w/ something similar at work</title>
	<author>Albanach</author>
	<datestamp>1265019420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Microsoft really needs to add the ability to set user profiles on a different partition, as you can w/ UNIX.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm not sure what you mean? It's straightforward, if not trivial, to change the profile location. Two minutes with Google will show you how for your version of Windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft really needs to add the ability to set user profiles on a different partition , as you can w/ UNIX.I 'm not sure what you mean ?
It 's straightforward , if not trivial , to change the profile location .
Two minutes with Google will show you how for your version of Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft really needs to add the ability to set user profiles on a different partition, as you can w/ UNIX.I'm not sure what you mean?
It's straightforward, if not trivial, to change the profile location.
Two minutes with Google will show you how for your version of Windows.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180678</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute..</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1265049840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised the apostrophe wasn't in "destroy'd".  Why have people started doing that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised the apostrophe was n't in " destroy 'd " .
Why have people started doing that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised the apostrophe wasn't in "destroy'd".
Why have people started doing that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175292</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1265016480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Still if you're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations, I'd say the British still take the cake with "Worcestershire".</p></div><p>It's reasonably consistent with the other -cester places (which were all Roman towns):<br>Leicester (Les-ter), Gloucester (Glos-ter), Alcester (Ol-ster), Bicester (Bi-ster), Towcester (Tow-ster). And "Wus-ter-shire", for anyone that's still wondering about Worcestershire (Worcester is the city, Worcestershire the county).</p><p>Unfortunately, Cirencester isn't Si-ren-ster, but Si-ren-ses-ter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still if you 're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations , I 'd say the British still take the cake with " Worcestershire " .It 's reasonably consistent with the other -cester places ( which were all Roman towns ) : Leicester ( Les-ter ) , Gloucester ( Glos-ter ) , Alcester ( Ol-ster ) , Bicester ( Bi-ster ) , Towcester ( Tow-ster ) .
And " Wus-ter-shire " , for anyone that 's still wondering about Worcestershire ( Worcester is the city , Worcestershire the county ) .Unfortunately , Cirencester is n't Si-ren-ster , but Si-ren-ses-ter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still if you're going to complain about odd spellings and pronunciations, I'd say the British still take the cake with "Worcestershire".It's reasonably consistent with the other -cester places (which were all Roman towns):Leicester (Les-ter), Gloucester (Glos-ter), Alcester (Ol-ster), Bicester (Bi-ster), Towcester (Tow-ster).
And "Wus-ter-shire", for anyone that's still wondering about Worcestershire (Worcester is the city, Worcestershire the county).Unfortunately, Cirencester isn't Si-ren-ster, but Si-ren-ses-ter.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176844</id>
	<title>Re:Dealing w/ something similar at work</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1265022060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Roaming Profiles and/or Network Redirection</p><p>Magical stuff, supported by GPO's...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Roaming Profiles and/or Network RedirectionMagical stuff , supported by GPO 's.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roaming Profiles and/or Network RedirectionMagical stuff, supported by GPO's...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176270</id>
	<title>How long before the big formatting day?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265019720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There's too much money to be made by having a bot-army" bla bla bla.</p><p>I don't believe everyone is money driven.  One day you'll meet a non-money driver dark-side cracker who shall write a mega bot.  A huge one.  And it's going to wipe clean tens of millions of Windows PCs.</p><p>Sadly it's going to be a very good day for Microsoft because a lot of persons are going to go buy a new PC but there's going to be some chaos with all that lost data.</p><p>It's not going to be 800.  It's going to be the equivalent of "rm -rf *" on an entire botnet.</p><p>Shall be fun.  Will happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There 's too much money to be made by having a bot-army " bla bla bla.I do n't believe everyone is money driven .
One day you 'll meet a non-money driver dark-side cracker who shall write a mega bot .
A huge one .
And it 's going to wipe clean tens of millions of Windows PCs.Sadly it 's going to be a very good day for Microsoft because a lot of persons are going to go buy a new PC but there 's going to be some chaos with all that lost data.It 's not going to be 800 .
It 's going to be the equivalent of " rm -rf * " on an entire botnet.Shall be fun .
Will happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There's too much money to be made by having a bot-army" bla bla bla.I don't believe everyone is money driven.
One day you'll meet a non-money driver dark-side cracker who shall write a mega bot.
A huge one.
And it's going to wipe clean tens of millions of Windows PCs.Sadly it's going to be a very good day for Microsoft because a lot of persons are going to go buy a new PC but there's going to be some chaos with all that lost data.It's not going to be 800.
It's going to be the equivalent of "rm -rf *" on an entire botnet.Shall be fun.
Will happen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175214</id>
	<title>Re:No explaination</title>
	<author>berwiki</author>
	<datestamp>1265016240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...because that sounds ridiculously slow/annoying/complex for 800 PCs.<br> <br>gotta love the 'token Linux' reply without thinking about their response first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...because that sounds ridiculously slow/annoying/complex for 800 PCs .
got ta love the 'token Linux ' reply without thinking about their response first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...because that sounds ridiculously slow/annoying/complex for 800 PCs.
gotta love the 'token Linux' reply without thinking about their response first.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178050</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>u38cg</author>
	<datestamp>1265026980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.</p></div></blockquote><p>Dude, I could do that, and I'm not even vermillion<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.Dude , I could do that , and I 'm not even vermillion : p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a million and one legitimate ways that this could be done by a rouge admin.Dude, I could do that, and I'm not even vermillion :p
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175382</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175466</id>
	<title>And the cover-up</title>
	<author>KDEnut</author>
	<datestamp>1265017020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else find it odd that the first thing the IT techs there "quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server."?<br>
<br>Sounds to me like they know who it may be and were covering up for a friend.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else find it odd that the first thing the IT techs there " quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server. " ?
Sounds to me like they know who it may be and were covering up for a friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else find it odd that the first thing the IT techs there "quickly isolated and rebuilt the offending print server."?
Sounds to me like they know who it may be and were covering up for a friend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174422</id>
	<title>Dead man's switch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could be...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could be.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could be...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174348</id>
	<title>A healthy System32 dir is 1.5 GB</title>
	<author>caseih</author>
	<datestamp>1265056380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At first glance that blows my mind.  That's absolutely huge.  Then I check my linux box and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/lib64 is 1.7 GB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At first glance that blows my mind .
That 's absolutely huge .
Then I check my linux box and /usr/lib64 is 1.7 GB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first glance that blows my mind.
That's absolutely huge.
Then I check my linux box and /usr/lib64 is 1.7 GB.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31178624</id>
	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265030340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But what about the azure admins? Not to much the emerald ones....?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But what about the azure admins ?
Not to much the emerald ones.... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what about the azure admins?
Not to much the emerald ones....?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175382</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176932</id>
	<title>Re:Essentially destroyed?</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1265022420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Workstation backups?  I didn't know that was something that anyone did.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Workstation backups ?
I did n't know that was something that anyone did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Workstation backups?
I didn't know that was something that anyone did.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174346</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31183390</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266503760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>It's Naw-Fuck.</p></div><p>In proper Norfolk... well, I'll let <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk#Dialect.2C\_accent\_and\_nickname" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org] explain: <i>More cutting, perhaps, was the pejorative medical slang term "Normal for Norfolk", referencing the county's supposedly high rate of incest. In truth, Norfolk's incest rate is no higher than the rest of England. The term is now discredited, and its use is discouraged by the profession.</i> </p><p>(Sorry, did you want an on-topic comment?)</p></div><p>Norfolk Virginia, jerk.  Not Norfolk England</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Naw-Fuck.In proper Norfolk... well , I 'll let Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] explain : More cutting , perhaps , was the pejorative medical slang term " Normal for Norfolk " , referencing the county 's supposedly high rate of incest .
In truth , Norfolk 's incest rate is no higher than the rest of England .
The term is now discredited , and its use is discouraged by the profession .
( Sorry , did you want an on-topic comment ?
) Norfolk Virginia , jerk .
Not Norfolk England</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Naw-Fuck.In proper Norfolk... well, I'll let Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] explain: More cutting, perhaps, was the pejorative medical slang term "Normal for Norfolk", referencing the county's supposedly high rate of incest.
In truth, Norfolk's incest rate is no higher than the rest of England.
The term is now discredited, and its use is discouraged by the profession.
(Sorry, did you want an on-topic comment?
)Norfolk Virginia, jerk.
Not Norfolk England
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174858</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175894</id>
	<title>Re:No explaination</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265018400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure there was. It was the part about "...784 machines..."</p><p>784 x 30 minutes (That's if IT actually has enough people to keep the restores going non stop, AND doesn't have to travel out to the site to do the restore or recovery, AND doesn't account for the user that has 12 years worth of archived e-mail plus 40 gigs of vital contract that simply MUST be stored on their laptop *eyeroll*) == 23,520 minutes, or about 16 days working round the clock, just recovering data.</p><p>Its all about triage. The users who played by the rules and stored their stuff on the server are probably getting the good old fashioned 'nuke from orbit' fix and will be back in a couple hours. It's the people who need to boot disc / copy to network / reimage / copy back down that are going to be down for a while. Sadly, there are cases where the user simple has to have local data. We've all got them, and we probably all have nightmares about them losing data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure there was .
It was the part about " ...784 machines... " 784 x 30 minutes ( That 's if IT actually has enough people to keep the restores going non stop , AND does n't have to travel out to the site to do the restore or recovery , AND does n't account for the user that has 12 years worth of archived e-mail plus 40 gigs of vital contract that simply MUST be stored on their laptop * eyeroll * ) = = 23,520 minutes , or about 16 days working round the clock , just recovering data.Its all about triage .
The users who played by the rules and stored their stuff on the server are probably getting the good old fashioned 'nuke from orbit ' fix and will be back in a couple hours .
It 's the people who need to boot disc / copy to network / reimage / copy back down that are going to be down for a while .
Sadly , there are cases where the user simple has to have local data .
We 've all got them , and we probably all have nightmares about them losing data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure there was.
It was the part about "...784 machines..."784 x 30 minutes (That's if IT actually has enough people to keep the restores going non stop, AND doesn't have to travel out to the site to do the restore or recovery, AND doesn't account for the user that has 12 years worth of archived e-mail plus 40 gigs of vital contract that simply MUST be stored on their laptop *eyeroll*) == 23,520 minutes, or about 16 days working round the clock, just recovering data.Its all about triage.
The users who played by the rules and stored their stuff on the server are probably getting the good old fashioned 'nuke from orbit' fix and will be back in a couple hours.
It's the people who need to boot disc / copy to network / reimage / copy back down that are going to be down for a while.
Sadly, there are cases where the user simple has to have local data.
We've all got them, and we probably all have nightmares about them losing data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31186192</id>
	<title>Re:Essentially destroyed?</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1266515400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, however sometimes even having backups means diddly squat, especially if the admin was never smart enough to test the backup system's integrity. I worked in one place where we had backups galore, until one day we needed to restore a db, and when we asked for it, it took 2 hours to rummage through to find one backup predating even the installation of our db, we were screwed. The disk failure, made it impossible to recover the mdf and ldf files off the disk, and without having checked that each night the backup image made was ok to use for a restore, we never knew that the backups were not good ones until it was too late.</p><p>Sadly, the admin lost his job over this one, and I think left IT altogether.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , however sometimes even having backups means diddly squat , especially if the admin was never smart enough to test the backup system 's integrity .
I worked in one place where we had backups galore , until one day we needed to restore a db , and when we asked for it , it took 2 hours to rummage through to find one backup predating even the installation of our db , we were screwed .
The disk failure , made it impossible to recover the mdf and ldf files off the disk , and without having checked that each night the backup image made was ok to use for a restore , we never knew that the backups were not good ones until it was too late.Sadly , the admin lost his job over this one , and I think left IT altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, however sometimes even having backups means diddly squat, especially if the admin was never smart enough to test the backup system's integrity.
I worked in one place where we had backups galore, until one day we needed to restore a db, and when we asked for it, it took 2 hours to rummage through to find one backup predating even the installation of our db, we were screwed.
The disk failure, made it impossible to recover the mdf and ldf files off the disk, and without having checked that each night the backup image made was ok to use for a restore, we never knew that the backups were not good ones until it was too late.Sadly, the admin lost his job over this one, and I think left IT altogether.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174346</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175816</id>
	<title>More Horrid Pronounciations</title>
	<author>Venner</author>
	<datestamp>1265018160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Growing up in Ohio, some of the pronunciations for local places are horrible.</p><p>The first are mostly just anglicizations. Not awful, but sometimes quaint, odd, and hickish. There are a lot more that I'm forgetting.<br><b>Lima</b> - "LYE-muh".<br><b>Ravenna</b> - "Ruh-VEN-nuh"<br><b>Medina</b> - "Meh-DYE-nuh"<br><b>Berlin</b> - "BER-lin' "<br><b>Milan</b> - "MYE-lin'<br><b>Vienna</b> - "VYE-en-nah"<br><b>Bellefontaine</b> - "Bell Fountin' "  Ack.</p><p>Then they just get really bad and annoying.</p><p><b>Nevada</b> - "Nuh-VAY-duh". Really. And most locals pronounce the <i>state</i> Nuh-vah-da or Nuh-vad-ah, so what gives?<br><b>Mantua</b> - "MAN-uh-way." The Italians are laughing and Shakespeare must be turning in his grave.<br><b>Versailles</b> - "Vur-SAILS"  Ugh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Growing up in Ohio , some of the pronunciations for local places are horrible.The first are mostly just anglicizations .
Not awful , but sometimes quaint , odd , and hickish .
There are a lot more that I 'm forgetting.Lima - " LYE-muh " .Ravenna - " Ruh-VEN-nuh " Medina - " Meh-DYE-nuh " Berlin - " BER-lin ' " Milan - " MYE-lin'Vienna - " VYE-en-nah " Bellefontaine - " Bell Fountin ' " Ack.Then they just get really bad and annoying.Nevada - " Nuh-VAY-duh " .
Really. And most locals pronounce the state Nuh-vah-da or Nuh-vad-ah , so what gives ? Mantua - " MAN-uh-way .
" The Italians are laughing and Shakespeare must be turning in his grave.Versailles - " Vur-SAILS " Ugh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Growing up in Ohio, some of the pronunciations for local places are horrible.The first are mostly just anglicizations.
Not awful, but sometimes quaint, odd, and hickish.
There are a lot more that I'm forgetting.Lima - "LYE-muh".Ravenna - "Ruh-VEN-nuh"Medina - "Meh-DYE-nuh"Berlin - "BER-lin' "Milan - "MYE-lin'Vienna - "VYE-en-nah"Bellefontaine - "Bell Fountin' "  Ack.Then they just get really bad and annoying.Nevada - "Nuh-VAY-duh".
Really. And most locals pronounce the state Nuh-vah-da or Nuh-vad-ah, so what gives?Mantua - "MAN-uh-way.
" The Italians are laughing and Shakespeare must be turning in his grave.Versailles - "Vur-SAILS"  Ugh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175016</id>
	<title>Follow the trail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265015580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was a reason that somebody did this.  It was somebody that knew this environment.</p><p>Either follow the money or follow the motive.  They WILL find the perp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was a reason that somebody did this .
It was somebody that knew this environment.Either follow the money or follow the motive .
They WILL find the perp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a reason that somebody did this.
It was somebody that knew this environment.Either follow the money or follow the motive.
They WILL find the perp.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175772</id>
	<title>go ahead, call me redundant: i will ask again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265017980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is destroyed the right word?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is destroyed the right word ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is destroyed the right word?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175404</id>
	<title>Re:I live in VA Beach</title>
	<author>idiotnot</author>
	<datestamp>1265016780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTKR had it last night at 11, but were kinda sketchy on details.  Big emphasis on NO CITIZEN OR EMPLOYEE DATA WAS AFFECTED.</p><p>I live in Norfolk;  let's just say that the best and brightest aren't working in IT for local governments.  Defense companies pay a lot better.</p><p>When I worked for another local city, they were still running an ancient 16-bit version of Netware (would have been like 2002).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTKR had it last night at 11 , but were kinda sketchy on details .
Big emphasis on NO CITIZEN OR EMPLOYEE DATA WAS AFFECTED.I live in Norfolk ; let 's just say that the best and brightest are n't working in IT for local governments .
Defense companies pay a lot better.When I worked for another local city , they were still running an ancient 16-bit version of Netware ( would have been like 2002 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTKR had it last night at 11, but were kinda sketchy on details.
Big emphasis on NO CITIZEN OR EMPLOYEE DATA WAS AFFECTED.I live in Norfolk;  let's just say that the best and brightest aren't working in IT for local governments.
Defense companies pay a lot better.When I worked for another local city, they were still running an ancient 16-bit version of Netware (would have been like 2002).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174674</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a minute..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Naw, this is the internet. <a href="http://www.angryflower.com/destro.html" title="angryflower.com">There shouldn't be an apostrophe at all!</a> [angryflower.com] Worse than that, they didn't even misspell anything. What is this internet coming to? If this keeps up, people may become literate!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Naw , this is the internet .
There should n't be an apostrophe at all !
[ angryflower.com ] Worse than that , they did n't even misspell anything .
What is this internet coming to ?
If this keeps up , people may become literate !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Naw, this is the internet.
There shouldn't be an apostrophe at all!
[angryflower.com] Worse than that, they didn't even misspell anything.
What is this internet coming to?
If this keeps up, people may become literate!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31174642</id>
	<title>Re:No explaination</title>
	<author>wiredog</author>
	<datestamp>1265057400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/2010/02/time-bomb-may-have-destroyed-800-norfolk-city-pcs/#comment-2169" title="krebsonsecurity.com">Explanation here</a> [krebsonsecurity.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Explanation here [ krebsonsecurity.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explanation here [krebsonsecurity.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31176008</id>
	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>precariousgray</author>
	<datestamp>1265018820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, Norfolk isn't in New Jersey.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , Norfolk is n't in New Jersey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, Norfolk isn't in New Jersey.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31180686</id>
	<title>Let this be a lesson to ALL</title>
	<author>JRHelgeson</author>
	<datestamp>1265049960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL YOU SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS!<br>whom I have heard saying (repeatedly) - "it is not a critical server, it is only a print server... we can wait to patch it later."<br>From just the article, I have a pretty good guess as to what or how it happened... or how I could replicate such an event with two commands, and little or no evidence left behind.</p><p>A disgruntled citizen comes in to use a public access terminal placed there for citizens to look up public records, and PRINT THEM OUT.  This public terminal is locked down - sure, it is also on its own private VLAN, lest anyone plug into the network with their own laptop... heck, lets go one further and say they even bound the mac address to the switch port to make sure that any other network device plugged in wouldn't work (unless they spoofed the mac address).</p><p>So, our Disgruntled Citizen Hacker (DCH) takes a bootable USB thumb drive/boot CD and inserts it into the computer and reboots it to Backtrack4 or some other utility - or they simply plug into the network using their own laptop...</p><p>Once booted from his device, DCH launches an ancient exploit against the print server that <i>"doesn't contain any sensitive data"</i> according to the SYSADMIN <i>"and can be rebuilt within hours if it ever got infected."</i> - except that DCH isn't all about stealing data, he's all about getting revenge against the cop that gave him that speeding ticket - and HE'S GONNA SHOW YOU!</p><p>Once his script kiddie exploit has him sitting at the c:\ prompt, he does a "NET VIEW" and sees that the print server is on the domain, and can see the entire network from its secondary interface that connects it to the internal network.  This system administrator has even copied the SYSINTERNALS suite of tools to the hard drive (he even added them to the PATH! -OR- he copies the SYSINTERNALS suite from his boot device) and with one command, DCH gets to work. "PSEXEC \\* DEL c:\boot.ini" and hits enter, the command starts cycling through all the computers on the network -but he screwed up... it is taking much too long to connect to each computer - only to screw up the boot.ini file? Naw, thats too easy to recover from.</p><p>CTRL+C</p><p>-DCH's Adrenaline is now pumping-</p><p>PSEXEC -d \\* DEL *.*<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/F<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/Q<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/S</p><p>This time, it runs in disconnected mode.</p><p> <i>"Ah yes, much faster."</i> DCH says to himself - except he screwed up again, he forgot to put the "C:\" in front of the *.*, so it is (Q)uietly, yet (F)orcefully deleting all the files listed under the \%SystemRoot\%\System32 folder and (S)ub-folders (including those files marked as read only), instead of the entire C: drive.   Major adrenaline sets in - he's not gonna cancel it this time. He's already committed, it's too late now. That and he's lost his nerve and is visibly shaking as he's feeling the rush.</p><p>He retrieves his boot device, reboots the computer, and quietly walks away, trying <i>oh-so-hard</i> to not raise any suspicions as he quietly walks back to his car. <i>"Take THAT..Your Honor."</i> he mumbles to himself as he jams the key into his Honda Civic, it fires up with a roar as the ported exhaust reverberates throughout the parking garage. He revs the engine and squeals the tires as he leaves the ramp - radio blaring.</p><p>One hour and 800 computers later the print server is taken offline -and promptly rebuilt- exactly according to the disaster recovery plan. Doesn't matter - even if they did forensically analyze it, the only evidence they'll find is a single error (among thousands of errors) in the event log that was caused by the exploit, of itself signifying nothing conclusive. The admins never did set up event log correlation, so once the server was rebuilt, all bet were off.  So, our DCH walks away, scot free.</p><p>But wait!  Did he really?</p><p>Check the courthouse cameras. On Tuesday, Feb. 9, sitting down at 4:07pm you'll see the DCH take his seat at the public terminal. He looks around and cannot believe that the stupid IT depar</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL YOU SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS ! whom I have heard saying ( repeatedly ) - " it is not a critical server , it is only a print server... we can wait to patch it later .
" From just the article , I have a pretty good guess as to what or how it happened... or how I could replicate such an event with two commands , and little or no evidence left behind.A disgruntled citizen comes in to use a public access terminal placed there for citizens to look up public records , and PRINT THEM OUT .
This public terminal is locked down - sure , it is also on its own private VLAN , lest anyone plug into the network with their own laptop... heck , lets go one further and say they even bound the mac address to the switch port to make sure that any other network device plugged in would n't work ( unless they spoofed the mac address ) .So , our Disgruntled Citizen Hacker ( DCH ) takes a bootable USB thumb drive/boot CD and inserts it into the computer and reboots it to Backtrack4 or some other utility - or they simply plug into the network using their own laptop...Once booted from his device , DCH launches an ancient exploit against the print server that " does n't contain any sensitive data " according to the SYSADMIN " and can be rebuilt within hours if it ever got infected .
" - except that DCH is n't all about stealing data , he 's all about getting revenge against the cop that gave him that speeding ticket - and HE 'S GON NA SHOW YOU ! Once his script kiddie exploit has him sitting at the c : \ prompt , he does a " NET VIEW " and sees that the print server is on the domain , and can see the entire network from its secondary interface that connects it to the internal network .
This system administrator has even copied the SYSINTERNALS suite of tools to the hard drive ( he even added them to the PATH !
-OR- he copies the SYSINTERNALS suite from his boot device ) and with one command , DCH gets to work .
" PSEXEC \ \ * DEL c : \ boot.ini " and hits enter , the command starts cycling through all the computers on the network -but he screwed up... it is taking much too long to connect to each computer - only to screw up the boot.ini file ?
Naw , thats too easy to recover from.CTRL + C-DCH 's Adrenaline is now pumping-PSEXEC -d \ \ * DEL * .
* /F /Q /SThis time , it runs in disconnected mode .
" Ah yes , much faster .
" DCH says to himself - except he screwed up again , he forgot to put the " C : \ " in front of the * .
* , so it is ( Q ) uietly , yet ( F ) orcefully deleting all the files listed under the \ % SystemRoot \ % \ System32 folder and ( S ) ub-folders ( including those files marked as read only ) , instead of the entire C : drive .
Major adrenaline sets in - he 's not gon na cancel it this time .
He 's already committed , it 's too late now .
That and he 's lost his nerve and is visibly shaking as he 's feeling the rush.He retrieves his boot device , reboots the computer , and quietly walks away , trying oh-so-hard to not raise any suspicions as he quietly walks back to his car .
" Take THAT..Your Honor .
" he mumbles to himself as he jams the key into his Honda Civic , it fires up with a roar as the ported exhaust reverberates throughout the parking garage .
He revs the engine and squeals the tires as he leaves the ramp - radio blaring.One hour and 800 computers later the print server is taken offline -and promptly rebuilt- exactly according to the disaster recovery plan .
Does n't matter - even if they did forensically analyze it , the only evidence they 'll find is a single error ( among thousands of errors ) in the event log that was caused by the exploit , of itself signifying nothing conclusive .
The admins never did set up event log correlation , so once the server was rebuilt , all bet were off .
So , our DCH walks away , scot free.But wait !
Did he really ? Check the courthouse cameras .
On Tuesday , Feb. 9 , sitting down at 4 : 07pm you 'll see the DCH take his seat at the public terminal .
He looks around and can not believe that the stupid IT depar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL YOU SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS!whom I have heard saying (repeatedly) - "it is not a critical server, it is only a print server... we can wait to patch it later.
"From just the article, I have a pretty good guess as to what or how it happened... or how I could replicate such an event with two commands, and little or no evidence left behind.A disgruntled citizen comes in to use a public access terminal placed there for citizens to look up public records, and PRINT THEM OUT.
This public terminal is locked down - sure, it is also on its own private VLAN, lest anyone plug into the network with their own laptop... heck, lets go one further and say they even bound the mac address to the switch port to make sure that any other network device plugged in wouldn't work (unless they spoofed the mac address).So, our Disgruntled Citizen Hacker (DCH) takes a bootable USB thumb drive/boot CD and inserts it into the computer and reboots it to Backtrack4 or some other utility - or they simply plug into the network using their own laptop...Once booted from his device, DCH launches an ancient exploit against the print server that "doesn't contain any sensitive data" according to the SYSADMIN "and can be rebuilt within hours if it ever got infected.
" - except that DCH isn't all about stealing data, he's all about getting revenge against the cop that gave him that speeding ticket - and HE'S GONNA SHOW YOU!Once his script kiddie exploit has him sitting at the c:\ prompt, he does a "NET VIEW" and sees that the print server is on the domain, and can see the entire network from its secondary interface that connects it to the internal network.
This system administrator has even copied the SYSINTERNALS suite of tools to the hard drive (he even added them to the PATH!
-OR- he copies the SYSINTERNALS suite from his boot device) and with one command, DCH gets to work.
"PSEXEC \\* DEL c:\boot.ini" and hits enter, the command starts cycling through all the computers on the network -but he screwed up... it is taking much too long to connect to each computer - only to screw up the boot.ini file?
Naw, thats too easy to recover from.CTRL+C-DCH's Adrenaline is now pumping-PSEXEC -d \\* DEL *.
* /F /Q /SThis time, it runs in disconnected mode.
"Ah yes, much faster.
" DCH says to himself - except he screwed up again, he forgot to put the "C:\" in front of the *.
*, so it is (Q)uietly, yet (F)orcefully deleting all the files listed under the \%SystemRoot\%\System32 folder and (S)ub-folders (including those files marked as read only), instead of the entire C: drive.
Major adrenaline sets in - he's not gonna cancel it this time.
He's already committed, it's too late now.
That and he's lost his nerve and is visibly shaking as he's feeling the rush.He retrieves his boot device, reboots the computer, and quietly walks away, trying oh-so-hard to not raise any suspicions as he quietly walks back to his car.
"Take THAT..Your Honor.
" he mumbles to himself as he jams the key into his Honda Civic, it fires up with a roar as the ported exhaust reverberates throughout the parking garage.
He revs the engine and squeals the tires as he leaves the ramp - radio blaring.One hour and 800 computers later the print server is taken offline -and promptly rebuilt- exactly according to the disaster recovery plan.
Doesn't matter - even if they did forensically analyze it, the only evidence they'll find is a single error (among thousands of errors) in the event log that was caused by the exploit, of itself signifying nothing conclusive.
The admins never did set up event log correlation, so once the server was rebuilt, all bet were off.
So, our DCH walks away, scot free.But wait!
Did he really?Check the courthouse cameras.
On Tuesday, Feb. 9, sitting down at 4:07pm you'll see the DCH take his seat at the public terminal.
He looks around and cannot believe that the stupid IT depar</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Norfolk's IT is fail.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266496080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"Rouge admins" ? I guess the colour complements their blue screens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Rouge admins " ?
I guess the colour complements their blue screens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Rouge admins" ?
I guess the colour complements their blue screens.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31179834</id>
	<title>Re:Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>shadowbearer</author>
	<datestamp>1265040840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; No shit!  At the very least they should have imaged the print server's installation drive before they wiped and reinstalled, (even if they needed the system up as fast as possible.)   At least that way they'd have something to run forensics ON, and be able to do it at their leisure rather than a hurry-up job.</p><p>
&nbsp; Someone screwed up bad.</p><p>SB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  No shit !
At the very least they should have imaged the print server 's installation drive before they wiped and reinstalled , ( even if they needed the system up as fast as possible .
) At least that way they 'd have something to run forensics ON , and be able to do it at their leisure rather than a hurry-up job .
  Someone screwed up bad.SB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  No shit!
At the very least they should have imaged the print server's installation drive before they wiped and reinstalled, (even if they needed the system up as fast as possible.
)   At least that way they'd have something to run forensics ON, and be able to do it at their leisure rather than a hurry-up job.
  Someone screwed up bad.SB</sentencetext>
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	<title>That may be the size of the debugging symbols</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>If you're not a developer, and you don't install the "-dev" or "-devel" versions of the library packages, you won't have the dwarf2 source code debugging symbols, which can be quite verbose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're not a developer , and you do n't install the " -dev " or " -devel " versions of the library packages , you wo n't have the dwarf2 source code debugging symbols , which can be quite verbose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're not a developer, and you don't install the "-dev" or "-devel" versions of the library packages, you won't have the dwarf2 source code debugging symbols, which can be quite verbose.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_17_196230.31175090</id>
	<title>Re:Destroying Evidence</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1265015820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>this is the government</p><p>when i first started working for private industry after working for uncle sam for years, the first thing i noticed was a lack of paper. government employees had mountains of it in every cube and office. the real world had long ago moved to electronic format</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is the governmentwhen i first started working for private industry after working for uncle sam for years , the first thing i noticed was a lack of paper .
government employees had mountains of it in every cube and office .
the real world had long ago moved to electronic format</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is the governmentwhen i first started working for private industry after working for uncle sam for years, the first thing i noticed was a lack of paper.
government employees had mountains of it in every cube and office.
the real world had long ago moved to electronic format</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265028180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's Naw-Fuck.</p></div></blockquote><p>Which coincidentally is close to what they said when they noticed what happened to their computers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Naw-Fuck.Which coincidentally is close to what they said when they noticed what happened to their computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Naw-Fuck.Which coincidentally is close to what they said when they noticed what happened to their computers.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Just so you get the pronunciation right...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265021280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>And Suf-Fuck (Suffolk) is not too far down the road.</p><p>You really have to love living in Virginia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Suf-Fuck ( Suffolk ) is not too far down the road.You really have to love living in Virginia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Suf-Fuck (Suffolk) is not too far down the road.You really have to love living in Virginia.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It was a rootkit, that BSO'd the 'puters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265044440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/02/rootkit\_authors\_issue\_patch\_fo.php</p><p>
&nbsp; Tuesday February 16, 2010<br>Rootkit Authors Issue Patch For Critical Bug<br>Categories:</p><p>Malware, Security Software, Software Patches, Top Threat, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP<br>Tags:</p><p>bsod, ms10-015, patch, rootkit, TDL3, TDSS</p><p>According to security vendor Prevx, the authors of the rootkit which was the cause of a large number of unbootable systems which applied the MS10-015 patch issued last week have issued a patch to fix the incompatibility.</p><p>The authors of the rootkit, which Prevx names TDL3/TDSS, have been active for months updating it to evade detection and to defend itself against removal. It has many other names from other vendors. The error which caused the BSOD was due to the rootkit hard-coding the address of a particular Windows routine, and this address was moved by MS10-015. The rootkit authors had a fix out before too long, but that wasn't enough to save large numbers of users who couldn't boot their systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/02/rootkit \ _authors \ _issue \ _patch \ _fo.php   Tuesday February 16 , 2010Rootkit Authors Issue Patch For Critical BugCategories : Malware , Security Software , Software Patches , Top Threat , Windows 7 , Windows Vista , Windows XPTags : bsod , ms10-015 , patch , rootkit , TDL3 , TDSSAccording to security vendor Prevx , the authors of the rootkit which was the cause of a large number of unbootable systems which applied the MS10-015 patch issued last week have issued a patch to fix the incompatibility.The authors of the rootkit , which Prevx names TDL3/TDSS , have been active for months updating it to evade detection and to defend itself against removal .
It has many other names from other vendors .
The error which caused the BSOD was due to the rootkit hard-coding the address of a particular Windows routine , and this address was moved by MS10-015 .
The rootkit authors had a fix out before too long , but that was n't enough to save large numbers of users who could n't boot their systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/02/rootkit\_authors\_issue\_patch\_fo.php
  Tuesday February 16, 2010Rootkit Authors Issue Patch For Critical BugCategories:Malware, Security Software, Software Patches, Top Threat, Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XPTags:bsod, ms10-015, patch, rootkit, TDL3, TDSSAccording to security vendor Prevx, the authors of the rootkit which was the cause of a large number of unbootable systems which applied the MS10-015 patch issued last week have issued a patch to fix the incompatibility.The authors of the rootkit, which Prevx names TDL3/TDSS, have been active for months updating it to evade detection and to defend itself against removal.
It has many other names from other vendors.
The error which caused the BSOD was due to the rootkit hard-coding the address of a particular Windows routine, and this address was moved by MS10-015.
The rootkit authors had a fix out before too long, but that wasn't enough to save large numbers of users who couldn't boot their systems.</sentencetext>
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	<title>reformat</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1265037900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>yes reformatting the machine there total useless now. total loss call the insurance company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yes reformatting the machine there total useless now .
total loss call the insurance company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes reformatting the machine there total useless now.
total loss call the insurance company.</sentencetext>
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